Might as well get this started, the kingdom will be warm favourites after today. Neither sounded good enough to dethrone the spoon burners though
2011 was hardly a hiding, certainly far removed from the dual AI final losses in the 00's. Ran Kerry close for a good chunk of the match and forced one of that Kerry team's best ever halves of football to see Mayo off in the second half. Understandable with the experience they had and the inexperience ye had of those occasions then. Lots of positive would have been took from that game and it's pretty clear Kerry are poorer and Mayo are much better than they were then.
If they can beat the Kingdom in a big game at Croker then it would be a nice little confidence booster for Mayo to lay that ghost to rest before the final. But if Cork is the form line between the two teams then they could be in trouble. (Though to be fair both teams beat Galway by 7 I suppose)
Really think both games played at different levels of intensity .hard game to call hope Stephen and Sheehan back
Mayo will take them handy enough this time.
Mayo slight favourites, 4/5 against 11/8
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 04, 2014, 01:10:13 AM
Mayo will take them handy enough this time.
Yes, sure the bookies had Armagh at 5/6 against Meath and they won by 5 points so with Mayo at 4/5 it should be even more than that.
Sure look Kerry bate Cork by 12 points in the Munster Final and Mayo bate Cork by
Oh no.....
Whatever about all that gobbledygook, this Mayo side are just better than this Kerry side.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 04, 2014, 01:25:05 AM
Whatever about all that gobbledygook, this Mayo side are just better than this Kerry side.
Some sickening arrogance from Mayo there.
yeah, I know he is a Dub but why look a gift horse in the mouth...)
Should be a close one. I assume mayo will have a plan for odonoghue, if not then kerry will take it IMO
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 04, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
Should be a close one. I assume mayo will have a plan for odonoghue, if not then kerry will take it IMO
Mayo are the most streetwise team in the country, they'll have a cynical plan in mind to deal with JoD.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2014, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 04, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
Should be a close one. I assume mayo will have a plan for odonoghue, if not then kerry will take it IMO
Mayo are the most streetwise team in the country, they'll have a cynical plan in mind to deal with JoD.
everything was learned from our northern brethern
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2014, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 04, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
Should be a close one. I assume mayo will have a plan for odonoghue, if not then kerry will take it IMO
Mayo are the most streetwise team in the country, they'll have a cynical plan in mind to deal with JoD.
Says the Tyrone man :D :D :D
So a Mayo v Kerry double header with the young yerras winning today, looking forward to it
Unbelievable times to have both minor and senior in last 4 again.
The senior match should be an interesting clash of styles between Mayo's naive all out attack and Kerry's defensive counter-attacking.
When the referee is appointed for this clash , he needs to have a good look at the Galway /Kerry game from yesterday, they are the real streetwise team , Declan o Sullivan buys frees all day long a complete fraud , Killian Young near boxed the head off Lundy before the ball was even thrown in , and the buck that went back to mark Conroy just held onto his shirt all day and it didnt go punished even once.
These kerry boys are unbelievable because they give out this image of holier than thou but they are far from it, they never shut the fook up in the refs ear too. They are bullies and need addressing.
Already bomber is calling Mayo cynical and singling out players. The Kerry media machine and admirers will be getting into full swing to add to this bizzare image that has been created about Mayo. Simply because Mayo have become unMayo like and wont be bullied .
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 10:35:37 PM
When the referee is appointed for this clash , he needs to have a good look at the Galway /Kerry game from yesterday, they are the real streetwise team , Declan o Sullivan buys frees all day long a complete fraud , Killian Young near boxed the head off Lundy before the ball was even thrown in , and the buck that went back to mark Conroy just held onto his shirt all day and it didnt go punished even once.
These kerry boys are unbelievable because they give out this image of holier than thou but they are far from it, they never shut the fook up in the refs ear too. They are bullies and need addressing.
Already bomber is calling Mayo cynical and singling out players. The Kerry media machine and admirers will be getting into full swing to add to this bizzare image that has been created about Mayo. Simply because Mayo have become unMayo like and wont be bullied .
::) Yerra shur Kerry only win All Irelands by bullying and being dirty, tis true for you.
Meanwhile in the real world...This game is going to be interesting. Neither team showed top form yesterday, Mayo could definitely have been caught, but then again will have learned a bit more than Kerry did.
Fascinating tactical battle and given that Donie is on the line with Mayo, I would be very worried that Mayo will have a tactical edge on us.
None of the Kerry v Mayo meetings since 96 are really relevant to the discussion as this is clearly a different Mayo team and a slightly lesser Kerry team aswell to be honest, but I still don't see a whole lot being between the teams either way.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 04, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 10:35:37 PM
When the referee is appointed for this clash , he needs to have a good look at the Galway /Kerry game from yesterday, they are the real streetwise team , Declan o Sullivan buys frees all day long a complete fraud , Killian Young near boxed the head off Lundy before the ball was even thrown in , and the buck that went back to mark Conroy just held onto his shirt all day and it didnt go punished even once.
These kerry boys are unbelievable because they give out this image of holier than thou but they are far from it, they never shut the fook up in the refs ear too. They are bullies and need addressing.
Already bomber is calling Mayo cynical and singling out players. The Kerry media machine and admirers will be getting into full swing to add to this bizzare image that has been created about Mayo. Simply because Mayo have become unMayo like and wont be bullied .
::) Yerra shur Kerry only win All Irelands by bullying and being dirty, tis true for you.
Meanwhile in the real world...This game is going to be interesting. Neither team showed top form yesterday, Mayo could definitely have been caught, but then again will have learned a bit more than Kerry did.
Fascinating tactical battle and given that Donie is on the line with Mayo, I would be very worried that Mayo will have a tactical edge on us.
None of the Kerry v Mayo meetings since 96 are really relevant to the discussion as this is clearly a different Mayo team and a slightly lesser Kerry team aswell to be honest, but I still don't see a whole lot being between the teams either way.
The Kerryman hasn't stopped Horan masking all manner of tactical clangers so far.
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
I just can't see mayo losing this one to be honest. Mayo have all the aces in the midfield diamond, ie winning clean or breaking ball in that area. The Kerry defence is weak when run at and mayo won't be as naive as Galway when dealing with o Donoghue . Mayos full back line is shaky but I'd be more worried about Donegal or Dublin in that regard. Mayo to win this by 4 or 5 in my opinion !
Quote from: cicfada on August 04, 2014, 11:25:35 PM
I just can't see mayo losing this one to be honest. Mayo have all the aces in the midfield diamond, ie winning clean or breaking ball in that area. The Kerry defence is weak when run at and mayo won't be as naive as Galway when dealing with o Donoghue . Mayos full back line is shaky but I'd be more worried about Donegal or Dublin in that regard. Mayo to win this by 4 or 5 in my opinion !
:'( Did ye not see the damage O Neill and Hurley did. Granted Cork had 2 but I expect we ll go 1 on 1 with O Donoghue which will mean the lad will get plenty of chances to beat us like the marquee forwards in all teams do against Mayo. It s not that Mayo full back line is shaky, it is that we re one of the few teams left that play a full back line. Most teams play a mass defence. Our fb line must be some boyos to actually be trusted to deal with top forwards without all that xtra cover. It s Horan s way but has cost us and nearly did again yesterday.
Our problem is of course our ff line and that is where the bother started yesterday as well.
The Kerry lads I know seem very confident about this game. Giving it the usual party line about being a tough game but a couple of them have already put a decent sum on kerry -1 @ 15/8
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 05, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
The Kerry lads I know seem very confident about this game. Giving it the usual party line about being a tough game but a couple of them have already put a decent sum on kerry -1 @ 15/8
Thats mental, a group of Kerry men were in my company today, a couple of them were flying back to the UK and they all did similar bets before they left,one of them even backed Kerry to win by 16 or more at 40/1 and another one a lad from Killarney has this bizzare notion that the Gooch wil be motm on the day, i says to him surely you know the gooch is out for the year , ' ahhh my litttle Mayo man , stranger things have happened' was his reply, whatever hes on , ill have a bit of it.
Confidence is sky high with the kingdom, sure it is an honour to be on the pitch with them anyway.
Dublinv Kerry final, sure there is a song already wrote about it
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So you're forming opinions on a county team based on what a 60 year old (or thereabouts) ex-player says in a paper article? Totally logical.
This is Mayo's AI final really. All codding and joking aside we all know it is.
If we beat Kerry most of us won t be getting tickets for final anyway. And seeing as Kerry folk don t do semis unless it s the Dubs we can swamp Croke Park for this. We could do with a good day out agin Kerry agin.
QuoteYes, sure the bookies had Armagh at 5/6 against Meath and they won by 5 points so with Mayo at 4/5 it should be even more than that.
Sure look Kerry bate Cork by 12 points in the Munster Final and Mayo bate Cork by
Oh no.....
The Kerry v Cork game is not a formline to follow. The 2 quarters are. The provincial games are not knock out games so they should be discounted.
It was interesting to see Harrison and Freeman coming in on Sunday. Those two played well the last day against Kerry.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So they are saying Mayo are "streewise". Big Deal. That is a compliment if anything.
It is certainly better than calling the Mayo players cowards like I have heard some Mayo "fans" refer to their own players.
To me that is much worse and is the lowest of the low in terms of how you refer to a team.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 04, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
When the referee is appointed for this clash , he needs to have a good look at the Galway /Kerry game from yesterday, they are the real streetwise team ,
::) Yerra shur Kerry only win All Irelands by bullying and being dirty, tis true for you.
Meanwhile in the real world...This game is going to be interesting. Neither team showed top form yesterday, Mayo could definitely have been caught, but then again will have learned a bit more than Kerry did.
Fascinating tactical battle and given that Donie is on the line with Mayo, I would be very worried that Mayo will have a tactical edge on us.
None of the Kerry v Mayo meetings since 96 are really relevant to the discussion as this is clearly a different Mayo team and a slightly lesser Kerry team aswell to be honest, but I still don't see a whole lot being between the teams either way.
Sure havent ye got Cian "with the bad back who cant travel very far in the car because of it" O'Neill, so theres a double agent in both camps
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2014, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So they are saying Mayo are "streewise". Big Deal. That is a compliment if anything.
It is certainly better than calling the Mayo players cowards like I have heard some Mayo "fans" refer to their own players.
To me that is much worse and is the lowest of the low in terms of how you refer to a team.
This 'streetwise' thing is no compliment and Brians pre match bullshit, contrary to belief had Cillian and kev mac under scrutiny v Cork.
Comments supporters make are irrelevant, smart arse prk ya, there were things said about varley sunday night that could nearly warrant an arrest but such is the nature of passionate supporters , things will be said. Media and pundits like Bomber have a responsibility and the Kerry brigade are the worst in the land at this malarkey , arrogant shower of ......
O'Donoghue up until now has benefitted from naïve tactics from both Cork and Galway. Keith Higgins will not afford him the space that he got in the previous 2 matches. Though he is a talented player, the comparisions to the Gooch are far too premature and far off the mark imo in any case. As for the game itself, I would expect Kerry to pull out a big performance in this one and it is a hard one to call. It is a great opportunity for mayo to put the perceived Kerry hoodoo to rest though and I hope and think they will shade it.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 05, 2014, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 05, 2014, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So they are saying Mayo are "streewise". Big Deal. That is a compliment if anything.
It is certainly better than calling the Mayo players cowards like I have heard some Mayo "fans" refer to their own players.
To me that is much worse and is the lowest of the low in terms of how you refer to a team.
This 'streetwise' thing is no compliment and Brians pre match bullshit, contrary to belief had Cillian and kev mac under scrutiny v Cork.
Comments supporters make are irrelevant, smart arse prk ya, there were things said about varley sunday night that could nearly warrant an arrest but such is the nature of passionate supporters , things will be said. Media and pundits like Bomber have a responsibility and the Kerry brigade are the worst in the land at this malarkey , arrogant shower of ......
No, I think that comments supporters make are relevant if they are made a full day after the game. You can't ascribe that to heat of the moment stuff. For example, if a fella was to single out a player from his county and call him a coward , well, I think he would be the worst kind of prk and a fella like him would have no cause to be going on about something quite minor like alluding to streetwise tactics employed by an inter-county team.
Of course, this is a purely hypothetical discussion we are having here because I'm sure no Mayo supporter would say such horrible things about their own players and I'm sure Mayo supporters would deem it a little premature to be calling other counties supporters prks or other counties ex-players fuckwits this early with, what, 3 weeks to go to the game. You probably should keep some of that powder dry.
So our old nemesis Kerry.Will they target our age old weakness and will our worst nightmare be positioned on the edge of the square to do it? Any word on Cillians injury?
As a neutral observer I get the impression that Kerry deep down not only believe they will beat Mayo but expect to beat them. There are never any inferiority issues with the kingdom when it comes to Mayo. It makes this game all the more interesting as I think that Mayo have the better overall players and team structure. Mentally this will be a huge game for Mayo and if they did win it then they could take fresh confidence ahead of an AI final. If Mayo can deal with O'Donoghue up front and restrict him to 2 or 3 points then I only see one winner in this game. Its only a few years ago that if you stopped Kerry in one area of their forward line, then someone else would perform. I don't think they have those options now and Fitzmaurice has done a fine job with the players at his disposal.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
As a neutral observer I get the impression that Kerry deep down not only believe they will beat Mayo but expect to beat them. There are never any inferiority issues with the kingdom when it comes to Mayo. It makes this game all the more interesting as I think that Mayo have the better overall players and team structure. Mentally this will be a huge game for Mayo and if they did win it then they could take fresh confidence ahead of an AI final. If Mayo can deal with O'Donoghue up front and restrict him to 2 or 3 points then I only see one winner in this game. Its only a few years ago that if you stopped Kerry in one area of their forward line, then someone else would perform. I don't think they have those options now and Fitzmaurice has done a fine job with the players at his disposal.
But thats the problem yellowcard Mayo wont stop O Donoghue.Now im not having a go at whoever will end up marking him but a top manager will see that if he is kept quiet Mayos chances of winning the game increase significantly.O Donoghue will be left 1 on 1 with his marker and be given every oppourtunity to destroy us when what we should be doing IMO is playing a sweeper in front of him.The mayo management are still very naive when it comes to setting up our team.
So lads - how will ye cope with the planned train strike the day of the match?
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
So lads - how will ye cope with the planned train strike the day of the match?
Well hopefully it will mean none of the Kerry team will show up and with the help of your magic bus we will scrape a draw. ;D We will take an awful pasting in the replay though :'(
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
So lads - how will ye cope with the planned train strike the day of the match?
Sure what effect would that have. Not like Croke Park has a subway station or anything. That's one of the reasons the location is a mess and unsuitable for concerts - and matches for that matter.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2014, 01:16:16 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 05, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So you're forming opinions on a county team based on what a 60 year old (or thereabouts) ex-player says in a paper article? Totally logical.
Well he does have 7 AI's in his back pocket. He has to know some thing about the game?
I'll have you know bomber like a lot of Kerry men don't keep the medals in the back pocket anymore. He along with a lot of the Kerry golden generation found it hard to sit with all these medal in the arse pocket and as a result many have suffered severe back problems
I presume most lads keep their medals in a drawer ( Kerry) or in a press or cabinet ( everywhere else).
Where did this "back pocket" cliche come from? I suppose the same place as the "wide open spaces of Croke Park" or "Galway always do well in Croke Park" or the "Hyde is a fortress"( I wish...) etc etc.
QuoteSo lads - how will ye cope with the planned train strike the day of the match?
Are ye offering yer bus Sy seen as it's parked up now for the rest of the season?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
I presume most lads keep their medals in a drawer ( Kerry) or in a press or cabinet ( everywhere else).
Where did this "back pocket" cliche come from? I suppose the same place as the "wide open spaces of Croke Park" or "Galway always do well in Croke Park" or the "Hyde is a shithole" etc etc.
Fixed that for ya, except its not a cliche in that case
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on August 06, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
I presume most lads keep their medals in a drawer ( Kerry) or in a press or cabinet ( everywhere else).
Where did this "back pocket" cliche come from? I suppose the same place as the "wide open spaces of Croke Park" or "Galway always do well in Croke Park" or the "Hyde is a shithole" etc etc.
Fixed that for ya, except its not a cliche in that case
Don't give up the day job ;)
As for the match - I suspect the Mayowestros bucks will prevail as various Kerry pundits will be left complaining about unfair tactics etc.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on August 06, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
I presume most lads keep their medals in a drawer ( Kerry) or in a press or cabinet ( everywhere else).
Where did this "back pocket" cliche come from? I suppose the same place as the "wide open spaces of Croke Park" or "Galway always do well in Croke Park" or the "Hyde is a shithole" etc etc.
Fixed that for ya, except its not a cliche in that case
Don't give up the day job ;)
As for the match - I suspect the Mayowestros bucks will prevail as various Kerry pundits will be left complaining about unfair tactics etc.
This is the day job! :)
Quote from: criostlinn on August 06, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 05, 2014, 01:16:16 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 05, 2014, 12:54:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 04, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
yerra me bollix. I never said it was the reason Kerry have won all Irelands , it just needs pointing out to the complete fuckwits like the bomber and the rest of them that Kerry engage in the dark arts .
So you're forming opinions on a county team based on what a 60 year old (or thereabouts) ex-player says in a paper article? Totally logical.
Well he does have 7 AI's in his back pocket. He has to know some thing about the game?
I'll have you know bomber like a lot of Kerry men don't keep the medals in the back pocket anymore. He along with a lot of the Kerry golden generation found it hard to sit with all these medal in the arse pocket and as a result many have suffered severe back problems
Bomber does not possess any of those 7 AI medals any longer as he gave them all away to charity.
Our defence is shambolic all year. Our forwards (however they manage to do it, because it's not coming from the sideline) somehow manage to score more than we concede. I said earlier on in the year that it would be a quarter final at best for Mayo. I think this game will be our last this year, unless Horan has some plan, and if he has I think he may need to use a few different substitutions the next day.
Teams from league match in Castlebar. Mayo 2-15 Kerry 1-13. Kerry were a good bit off in the physicality stakes I remember.
Mayo: R Hennelly; B Harrison, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; L Keegan (0-01), S McHale, C Boyle; A O'Shea, J Gibbons; K McLoughlin (0-4, 3fs), A Moran, J Doherty (1-01); A Gallagher (0-02, 2fs), A Freeman (1-05, 3fs), M Conroy (0-01).
Subs: E Varley (0-01) for Gallagher (43 mins), D Vaughan for McHale (52 mins), S O'Shea for Gibbons (59 mins), C Carolan for Conroy (65 mins), D O'Connor for Moran (70 mins).
Kerry: B Kealy; P Murphy, M Griffin, S Enright; P Crowley, A O'Mahony, M O'Sé; A Maher, D Moran (0-01); S O'Brien (1-02), D Casey, D Walsh (0-01); BJ Keane (0-02), C Cox (0-04, 3fs), J O'Donoghue (0-03, 1f).
Subs: F Fitzgerald for O'Mahony (36 mins), P Kilkenny for Enright (42 mins, black card), M Geaney for Casey (55 mins), J Sherwood for O'Sé (56 mins), J Buckley for Walsh (59 mins), B McGuire for Crowley 64 mins).
Good man Farr, keep her lit. ;D
Mayo by 2.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2014, 09:38:03 PM
Our defence is shambolic all year. Our forwards (however they manage to do it, because it's not coming from the sideline) somehow manage to score more than we concede. I said earlier on in the year that it would be a quarter final at best for Mayo. I think this game will be our last this year, unless Horan has some plan, and if he has I think he may need to use a few different substitutions the next day.
We conceded 2-10 against probably the worst Galway side to play in Croke park ever. We have one forward and he is only a one-trick pony. Our midfielders couldn't hit a barn door with a pass if the barn door were the width of Croke park.
This is a transition year for us and we are just delighted to be making another trip up to the big smoke. We hold out very little hope against a battle hardened, streetwise outfit.
I think it will definitely be green and red above green and gold this time, and good luck to ye in the final.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2014, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2014, 09:38:03 PM
Our defence is shambolic all year. Our forwards (however they manage to do it, because it's not coming from the sideline) somehow manage to score more than we concede. I said earlier on in the year that it would be a quarter final at best for Mayo. I think this game will be our last this year, unless Horan has some plan, and if he has I think he may need to use a few different substitutions the next day.
We conceded 2-10 against probably the worst Galway side to play in Croke park ever. We have one forward and he is only a one-trick pony. Our midfielders couldn't hit a barn door with a pass if the barn door were the width of Croke park.
This is a transition year for us and we are just delighted to be making another trip up to the big smoke. We hold out very little hope against a battle hardened, streetwise outfit.
I think it will definitely be green and red above green and gold this time, and good luck to ye in the final.
Funny but obvious .
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 08, 2014, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2014, 09:38:03 PM
Our defence is shambolic all year. Our forwards (however they manage to do it, because it's not coming from the sideline) somehow manage to score more than we concede. I said earlier on in the year that it would be a quarter final at best for Mayo. I think this game will be our last this year, unless Horan has some plan, and if he has I think he may need to use a few different substitutions the next day.
We conceded 2-10 against probably the worst Galway side to play in Croke park ever. We have one forward and he is only a one-trick pony. Our midfielders couldn't hit a barn door with a pass if the barn door were the width of Croke park.
This is a transition year for us and we are just delighted to be making another trip up to the big smoke. We hold out very little hope against a battle hardened, streetwise outfit.
I think it will definitely be green and red above green and gold this time, and good luck to ye in the final.
yerra yerra
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
Arrah chin up Moy. Do it for the Wesht if ye can't do it for yourselves.
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
Arrah chin up Moy. Do it for the Wesht if ye can't do it for yourselves.
Do what for the Wesht? Lose another one?
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
Arrah chin up Moy. Do it for the Wesht if ye can't do it for yourselves.
Do what for the Wesht? Lose another one?
At least they'll know us for something ;)
Mayo the only team to hold Dublin to within five points under Gavin - it's not like there's many with better shots at it.
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
I was thinking along similar lines myself moy, I didn't see the game, but listened to it on the radio, it seems Dublin have two hands on the cup and nobody is able to prize them off it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 09, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
I was thinking along similar lines myself moy, I didn't see the game, but listened to it on the radio, it seems Dublin have two hands on the cup and nobody is able to prize them off it.
The Donegal game will be fascinating. I predict Cluxton will top score in a game with less than 10 scores. Dublin's forwards will need to be flown out, on their private jet, for counselling in the Mayo Clinic afterwards.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 09, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 09, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
After watching Dubs win a 1/4 there with a 3 minute spurt before ht should Mayo really be better off leaving Kerry take the beating in the final? While losing 3 in a row would be a remarkably achievement in itself a semi loss might be less damaging - for all of us.
I was thinking along similar lines myself moy, I didn't see the game, but listened to it on the radio, it seems Dublin have two hands on the cup and nobody is able to prize them off it.
The Donegal game will be fascinating. I predict Cluxton will top score in a game with less than 10 scores. Dublin's forwards will need to be flown out, on their private jet, for counselling in the Mayo Clinic afterwards.
Donegal v Dublin decider imo. Donegal only one with a realistic chance of beating the Dubs. There s an outside chance they might choke them and winkle out a goal or 2 to win it. If we do get past Kerry it probably won't matter to much who we meet. Tbh we d be as well off meeting the dubs after the motivation Donegal would be bringing from last year + the confidence and form from beating the Dubs.
Donegal???????????????? Omsf are you serious, please let me know who ye are and i will give you an 8 point start for evens, im not bullshittin i will put the cash up.
Who ye on to Larry?
Anyone that will back Donegal against that machine , a machine the GAA world has never seen before,this isnt sensationalism this is realism, they are the greatest ever.The race for Sam is going to become a race to see who comes second , this machine in Dublin will dominate like no other ever seen. They will make Mickos Kerry look like pretenders.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
The race for Sam is going to become a race to see who comes second
Good news for Mayo then.
Bollix. Dublin will not win Sam this year or at the very least they'll be put to the pin of their collective collars in the next two games. Sam was never won in August yet
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 09, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 09, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
Bollix. Dublin will not win Sam this year or at the very least they'll be put to the pin of their collective collars in the next two games. Sam was never won in August yet
Dublin actually won the 1901 AI in August (The gas thing was it played in August 1903).
Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.
I think the 1904 All-Ireland final was played two weeks after the 1905 All-Ireland final.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 09, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 09, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
Bollix. Dublin will not win Sam this year or at the very least they'll be put to the pin of their collective collars in the next two games. Sam was never won in August yet
Dublin actually won the 1901 AI in August (The gas thing was it played in August 1903).
Are you Jimmy Magee??
''Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.''
And Ballagh only three years into occupation then.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2014, 11:00:54 PM
''Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.''
And Ballagh only three years into occupation then.
It was actually played in October 1902 so Ballagh had been a proud Roscommon town for four years at that stage.
Who gives a flying f**k about Roscommon in this thread anyway?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 12:51:39 AM
Who gives a flying f**k about Roscommon in this thread anyway?
For someone who thinks the world is falling every time his county plays I thought a change of topic might do you good.
It is good progress that you're acknowledging that Ballaghaderreen is entirely a Roscommon topic, though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 12:51:39 AM
Who gives a flying f**k about Roscommon in this thread anyway?
who gives a f**k about them full stop!
Any thoughts on who will start at MF for this one?
If Dec O's goes deep, will Caff stay in the fb line to help out with JOD & Geaney? I think he will but letting Dec off in a free role is very dangerous, the midfield and half forwards would need to work hard to limit the amount of time & space he gets
Syf - why do you insist on bringing Roscommon into every bloody thread on this board regardless of thread topic ffs
He'll soon be old enough to start thinking about girleens and porther so we'll then hear no more of him.
As the Rhus include a wipe of Roscommon in their terrritory for football it's appropriate enough that he mentions us in this thread.
As for the game - Kerry by 3 to set up a Dublin media wankfest All Ireland final v Dublin.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2014, 11:47:45 AM
He'll soon be old enough to start thinking about girleens and porther so we'll then hear no more of him.
As the Rhus include a wipe of Roscommon in their terrritory for football it's appropriate enough that he mentions us in this thread.
As for the game - Kerry by 3 to set up a Dublin media wankfest All Ireland final v Dublin.
Rossfan, you never let me down. :D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2014, 11:47:45 AM
He'll soon be old enough to start thinking about girleens and porther so we'll then hear no more of him.
As the Rhus include a wipe of Roscommon in their terrritory for football it's appropriate enough that he mentions us in this thread.
As for the game - Kerry by 3 to set up a Dublin media wankfest All Ireland final v Dublin.
Oh this will be hard to take and with the possibility of a minor final between the two as well , it will be overdrive. Bernard hinted at it yesterday in his interview in a coded type of way.
Its the peoples final and everything will be done to insure it comes off.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2014, 11:47:45 AM
He'll soon be old enough to start thinking about girleens and porther so we'll then hear no more of him.
As the Rhus include a wipe of Roscommon in their terrritory for football it's appropriate enough that he mentions us in this thread.
As for the game - Kerry by 3 to set up a Dublin media wankfest All Ireland final v Dublin.
Oh this will be hard to take and with the possibility of a minor final between the two as well , it will be overdrive. Bernard hinted at it yesterday in his interview in a coded type of way.
Its the peoples final and everything will be done to insure it comes off.
You're saying that collusion is alive and well in the GAA.
Big statement Larry.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 12:57:44 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2014, 11:47:45 AM
He'll soon be old enough to start thinking about girleens and porther so we'll then hear no more of him.
As the Rhus include a wipe of Roscommon in their terrritory for football it's appropriate enough that he mentions us in this thread.
As for the game - Kerry by 3 to set up a Dublin media wankfest All Ireland final v Dublin.
Oh this will be hard to take and with the possibility of a minor final between the two as well , it will be overdrive. Bernard hinted at it yesterday in his interview in a coded type of way.
Its the peoples final and everything will be done to insure it comes off.
You're saying that collusion is alive and well in the GAA.
Big statement Larry.
Is Larry another account of Sypherus?
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
Collusion , no. A strong desire to get a Kerry v Dublin final? Yes
It captures the gaa public, it gets the jimmy keaveney and jacko a photo shoot etc etc.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
Collusion , no. A strong desire to get a Kerry v Dublin final? Yes
It captures the gaa public, it gets the jimmy keaveney and jacko a photo shoot etc etc.
So in order for that to happen.
The GAA President, Director General, referees, even the umpires have to be on it.
Do you see how absurd the idea is?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
So in order for that to happen.
The GAA President, Director General, referees, even the umpires have to be on it.
Do you see how absurd the idea is?
Well Peter Quinn and Seán Kelly had a lot to do with supplying Dubl$n with millions to guarantee success.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
So in order for that to happen.
The GAA President, Director General, referees, even the umpires have to be on it.
Do you see how absurd the idea is?
Well Peter Quinn and Seán Kelly had a lot to do with supplying Dubl$n with millions to guarantee success.
They still in power kid? Oops.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
Collusion , no. A strong desire to get a Kerry v Dublin final? Yes
It captures the gaa public, it gets the jimmy keaveney and jacko a photo shoot etc etc.
Well it wouldn't capture mine. I'm only captured when Mayo are in finals. Even though they always end up the same way...
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
You're in bad form today - was there bad porter in Drumcondra last night?
The Dubs are way ahead of every other team and are still pulling away. Enjoy it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2014, 11:00:54 PM
''Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.''
And Ballagh only three years into occupation then.
It was actually played in October 1902 so Ballagh had been a proud Roscommon town for four years at that stage.
Arra, will ya get away up the yard, will ya? ;D ;D
That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.
Proud and Roscommon just don't go together, same as Microsoft Works.
Lookit, as St James might put it, it's roughly 116 years since the land grab and that's six generations or so in anyone's language.
Lookit again. the true Gaels of Ballagh have remained true to their heritage and homeland down the long years and show no signs of throwing their lot in with the ungodly sheep shaggers all around them.
Being born in a pig sty doesn't make one a pig, as Viscount Castlereagh might have put it.
Why don't you and Smiley Burnett frig off and go play with yer nice fancy bus and leave football to those who know something about it?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 10, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
You're in bad form today - was there bad porter in Drumcondra last night?
The Dubs are way ahead of every other team and are still pulling away. Enjoy it.
We won the AI by a point last eyar. This year won't be any different.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/35682945.jpg)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
What are you on about? Quinn and Kelly and the likes set out the plan to invest in Dubl$n, Bertie implemented it. Come on sue me boys, I know you're reading cause INDIANA said so. Is Bertie reading too? Hey Bertie, I'll see ya in court. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2014, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2014, 11:00:54 PM
''Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.''
And Ballagh only three years into occupation then.
It was actually played in October 1902 so Ballagh had been a proud Roscommon town for four years at that stage.
Arra, will ya get away up the yard, will ya? ;D ;D
That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.
Proud and Roscommon just don't go together, same as Microsoft Works.
Lookit, as St James might put it, it's roughly 116 years since the land grab and that's six generations or so in anyone's language.
Lookit again. the true Gaels of Ballagh have remained true to their heritage and homeland down the long years and show no signs of throwing their lot in with the ungodly sheep shaggers all around them.
Being born in a pig sty doesn't make one a pig, as Viscount Castlereagh might have put it.
Why don't you and Smiley Burnett frig off and go play with yer nice fancy bus and leave football to those who know something about it?
..like the fine people of west Roscommon? It's good that your Roscommon education is still paying dividends, Lar.
And to Galwayman - it's our problem if Andy lands home to Roscommon with Sam in the front seat of his sub-par bus.
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/35682945.jpg)
Pretty confident Larryin is from the area that was unlucky enough to stay in Mayo just outside Ballagh. I know these things, Heffo.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
What are you on about? Quinn and Kelly and the likes set out the plan to invest in Dubl$n, Bertie implemented it. Come on sue me boys, I know you're reading cause INDIANA said so. Is Bertie reading too? Hey Bertie, I'll see ya in court. ;D
I know Portrane is closed but there must be other institutions that would take you?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
What are you on about? Quinn and Kelly and the likes set out the plan to invest in Dubl$n, Bertie implemented it. Come on sue me boys, I know you're reading cause INDIANA said so. Is Bertie reading too? Hey Bertie, I'll see ya in court. ;D
I know Portrane is closed but there must be other institutions that would take you?
Parnells would take him.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 10, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
You're in bad form today - was there bad porter in Drumcondra last night?
The Dubs are way ahead of every other team and are still pulling away. Enjoy it.
We won the AI by a point last eyar. This year won't be any different.
So you are categorically saying that Dublin are going to win the All-Ireland this year ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 10, 2014, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 10, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 10, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
They still in power kid? Oops.
Those in power are just continuing with the program devised by Quinn/Kelly and the likes and implemented by Bertie. Bertie isn't in power now also but his legacy lives on in many areas.
Potentially libellous for you to insinuate the hierachy of the GAA are colluding to fix the results of matches. Let's hope none of them read here. I know a few of them do.
You're in bad form today - was there bad porter in Drumcondra last night?
The Dubs are way ahead of every other team and are still pulling away. Enjoy it.
We won the AI by a point last eyar. This year won't be any different.
So you are categorically saying that Dublin are going to win the All-Ireland this year ?
Nope we've two tough games left if we want to win it. All respects to the teams we played but they are all outside the top 4 sides
Meh..we're all wasting our time when facing the relentless machine that is the Dubs really. Dunno if we'll even bother sending the team up for the semi final.
I think you are right. Better off losing to Mayo and let them take the inevitable hammering in the final.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2014, 04:53:32 PMHammering! - Speak for yourself! ;) The Dubs are dreading meeting us this year!
No-one fears playing against Mayo in an AI final.
Can we get some cup or something for the winners of Kerry v Mayo..to give them some consoloation for the hammering they'll get in the final? #fairplay
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2014, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2014, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2014, 11:00:54 PM
''Roscommon lost their home Connacht semi-final to Galway in Ballagh that year.''
And Ballagh only three years into occupation then.
It was actually played in October 1902 so Ballagh had been a proud Roscommon town for four years at that stage.
Arra, will ya get away up the yard, will ya? ;D ;D
That's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.
Proud and Roscommon just don't go together, same as Microsoft Works.
Lookit, as St James might put it, it's roughly 116 years since the land grab and that's six generations or so in anyone's language.
Lookit again. the true Gaels of Ballagh have remained true to their heritage and homeland down the long years and show no signs of throwing their lot in with the ungodly sheep shaggers all around them.
Being born in a pig sty doesn't make one a pig, as Viscount Castlereagh might have put it.
Why don't you and Smiley Burnett frig off and go play with yer nice fancy bus and leave football to those who know something about it?
..like the fine people of west Roscommon? It's good that your Roscommon education is still paying dividends, Lar.
And to Galwayman - it's our problem if Andy lands home to Roscommon with Sam in the front seat of his sub-par bus.
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2014, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
My name is Sean, im from a small parish in East Mayo.
I have one account on here .
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/35682945.jpg)
Pretty confident Larryin is from the area that was unlucky enough to stay in Mayo just outside Ballagh. I know these things, Heffo.
What's the matter Syf?
It took you a full 21 minutes to reply!
Yer slowing down, me boy.
PS, I had expected the quare fella to rise faster than that. Not even a niggle from him.
The pair of ye are starting to show yer age or to get sense. I guess the first one is the more likely of the two.
PPS Ballagh is a dump alright but it's our dump, not yours, so there!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 10, 2014, 04:50:45 PM
I think you are right. Better off losing to Mayo and let them take the inevitable hammering in the final.
Steady on. We re not having that. I thought of that first yesterday.
Let Kerry take the final hit. At least people from Ulster won't call Kerry 'nest shitters'.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2014, 10:59:33 AM
Any thoughts on who will start at MF for this one?
If Dec O's goes deep, will Caff stay in the fb line to help out with JOD & Geaney? I think he will but letting Dec off in a free role is very dangerous, the midfield and half forwards would need to work hard to limit the amount of time & space he gets
Not sure about mf yet but Caff has to sit. O Sullivan lying deep can be played in a couple of ways. Push Keith up on him maybe or run the ball down the channels and under no circumstances kick the ball down the middle. When Kerry get him on the ball - well that's where our forwards tackling comes in. Of course if Declan not working deep we ll see him back closer to goal soon enough.
Was Barry Moran injured for Cork?
I thought Vaughan experiment went well enough and against instinct I d be in favour of playing Barry as a target man. Surely there is no way we will see a repeat of substitutions again?
Horan being Horan anything is possible with subs. :-X
I finally got to watch the Sunday game highlights and it appeared from that that our backs weren't working as hard as usual which would be a worry if that's the case.
I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Barry at FF, James has sprung a surprise in each of the last three matches with varying levels of success so something like that could well be on the cards.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2014, 10:16:56 PM
I finally got to watch the Sunday game highlights and it appeared from that that our backs weren't working as hard as usual which would be a worry if that's the case.
I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Barry at FF, James has sprung a surprise in each of the last three matches with varying levels of success so something like that could well be on the cards.
Somethings have worked well in fairness. Those that have were proposed long ago in fairness too. Aidan to 11 and Vaughan to a midfield role. Dillon inside and both he and Andy starting again. Gallagher was brilliant for a few games but dunno what happened or what he did to dirty his bib.
But the 2 young lads from the Hyde unlikely to be seen again this summer. Made no sense then and it still doesn't. As for 2 favoured forward subs? How can a manager who got rid of players so ruthlessly can indulge players that are damaging the team s chances every time he plays them - not to mention his own reputation. It doesn't make sense.
I can't see him changing much tbh, both Andy and Dillon did well V Cork, so who would he drop to make any change up front?
Its the defensive plan thats goin to be the tester here , how you deal with JOD and that other natural forward Geaney because them bucks will run direct for goal , they're not like some of our buckeens who will run directly for row A corner seat
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 10:49:53 PM
I can't see him changing much tbh, both Andy and Dillon did well V Cork, so who would he drop to make any change up front?
Its the defensive plan thats goin to be the tester here , how you deal with JOD and that other natural forward Geaney because them bucks will run direct for goal , they're not like some of our buckeens who will run directly for row A corner seat
Disagree. The biggest problem we have is no replacements for inside forwards. To have any chance now Andy and Dillon need to be going as well in last 10 as in first half. The stuff at the back is tactical but the stuff at the front is logistical. There is no cavalry. The cupboard is bare.
I'd start Freeman and keep Andy or Dillon in reserve.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
I'd start Freeman and keep Andy or Dillon in reserve.
If he could get freeman playing the way he was 12 months,ago, I'd agree with you
What about Sweeney moy? Surely to God he's as good as the 2 that went on the last day.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 11:06:38 PM
I'd start Freeman and keep Andy or Dillon in reserve.
If he could get freeman playing the way he was 12 months,ago, I'd agree with you
Good luck with that. Freeman plays under Horan like there s a sniper in the stand. That s no good for where we re at.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
What about Sweeney moy? Surely to God he's as good as the 2 that went on the last day.
Sweeney might be no worse than the other 2 but at the same time he s just another way of losing a game. Even in the league he couldn't keep ball in contact. His decision v Derry was enough for Horan obviously. After the last day the penny should have dropped with Horan about the others.
Quote from: moysider on August 10, 2014, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
What about Sweeney moy? Surely to God he's as good as the 2 that went on the last day.
Sweeney might be no worse than the other 2 but at the same time he s just another way of losing a game. Even in the league he couldn't keep ball in contact. His decision v Derry was enough for Horan obviously. After the last day the penny should have dropped with Horan about the others.
What decision? Sweeney got 3 from play v derry, well worth a run imo
Jebus Moy , we have to live with what we have though.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2014, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 10, 2014, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
What about Sweeney moy? Surely to God he's as good as the 2 that went on the last day.
Sweeney might be no worse than the other 2 but at the same time he s just another way of losing a game. Even in the league he couldn't keep ball in contact. His decision v Derry was enough for Horan obviously. After the last day the penny should have dropped with Horan about the others.
What decision? Sweeney got 3 from play v derry, well worth a run imo
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Sweeney blew a chance to finish the game v Derry. That s the decision making that s killing us. I didn t bring up Sweeney but seeing as somebody has might as well face facts. He get s turned over far too easy. But run him by all means. He can hardly be much worse - or even as bad.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 10, 2014, 11:45:08 PM
Jebus Moy , we have to live with what we have though.
Unfortunately so ;)
Quote from: moysider on August 10, 2014, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
What about Sweeney moy? Surely to God he's as good as the 2 that went on the last day.
Sweeney might be no worse than the other 2 but at the same time he s just another way of losing a game. Even in the league he couldn't keep ball in contact. His decision v Derry was enough for Horan obviously. After the last day the penny should have dropped with Horan about the others.
Surely it would have dropped before the last day if it was ever going to drop? He also seems intent on destroying Freeman's self-confidence. When he was forced to give him a proper run in the team last year he was maybe a 15th minute substitution away from an All-Star and yet he gets a clatter off Hennelly before the game at the Hyde, looked borderline to play, is bottled up in a defensive game where no one shines for Mayo from play and he's hardly seen again. Third choice sub in the forwards against Cork.
If Horan read the game better Mayo would have won at least one of the last two AIs. It would be a shame for him to take a team so far on the road only to become the thing that also stops them from getting over the line.
I'm not Freemans biggest fan but i do think he's worth his place, people say he was poor v Ross but the supply was shocking .
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
I'm not Freemans biggest fan but i do think he's worth his place, people say he was poor v Ross but the supply was shocking .
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When you re playing inside for Mayo the supply is always shocking.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2014, 12:11:58 AM
This looks to be a horses for courses year for Horan. So I'd expect our team to be slightly tailored for Kerry. We'll probably get the previous starting team named for the Kerry game with the usual unusual tweaks. Instead of looking 100% at our Forward options as potential subs to close out a game - Is there any place for Parsons, Feeney (I know, stuck record stuff), Gibbons and Keane. Keane's goose looks to be cooked as a full back, but as a half back he is well competent and suited to the role. What I'm trying to say is a substitution such as this frees up a player such as Keegan or Vaughan for a forward role toward the end of a game. Same with Parsons for say Aidan to go FF when he is usual shagged come the last 10 minutes of a game.
He wasn't THAT bad the last day was he? ???
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
I'm not Freemans biggest fan but i do think he's worth his place, people say he was poor v Ross but the supply was shocking .
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When you re playing inside for Mayo the supply is always shocking.
It could be a lot better imo, id have Cillian as CHF if it were up to me and Doc in closer and when Andy comes on id have him on the hf line too.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:17:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
I'm not Freemans biggest fan but i do think he's worth his place, people say he was poor v Ross but the supply was shocking .
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When you re playing inside for Mayo the supply is always shocking.
It could be a lot better imo, id have Cillian as CHF if it were up to me and Doc in closer and when Andy comes on id have him on the hf line too.
No. Cillian would be great at 11 but dynamic besides is not right. Aidan at 11 is a great plus for us. I d play Barry now at 14 as well. Maybe hold Andy in reserve until he gets his studs right anyway! As Bunker says we have to look at roles for Gibbons and Parsons. The inside forward options are not there at all. Obviously Feeney is wasting his time and Freeman is a gonner too.
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2014, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:17:48 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 11, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 11, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
I'm not Freemans biggest fan but i do think he's worth his place, people say he was poor v Ross but the supply was shocking .
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When you re playing inside for Mayo the supply is always shocking.
It could be a lot better imo, id have Cillian as CHF if it were up to me and Doc in closer and when Andy comes on id have him on the hf line too.
No. Cillian would be great at 11 but dynamic besides is not right. Aidan at 11 is a great plus for us. I d play Barry now at 14 as well. Maybe hold Andy in reserve until he gets his studs right anyway! As Bunker says we have to look at roles for Gibbons and Parsons. The inside forward options are not there at all. Obviously Feeney is wasting his time and Freeman is a gonner too.
I thought when I was watching the match the last day, that maybe he is using shorter studs because he is afraid of the longer studs catching in the ground and doing the knee again?
Andy Moran has always been like that though.
He doesn't really 'run' anywhere in the true sense of the word, he just falls over at various speeds over various distances.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 11, 2014, 09:42:01 AM
Andy Moran has always been like that though.
He doesn't really 'run' anywhere in the true sense of the word, he just falls over at various speeds over various distances.
Bit like a talented Big Joe.
If only either of them were Roscommon men.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 11, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
If only either of them were Roscommon men.
;D ;D ;D
Is someone ouut to get Horan
or at least disrupt mayos Campaign
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Is someone ouut to get Horan
or at least disrupt mayos Campaign
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Heard that over the weekend. Seemed very unlikely that Horan would even intimate he'd quit in mid-August over a club game.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Is someone ouut to get Horan
or at least disrupt mayos Campaign
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
This is just the cut and thrust of a successful team's manager versus its CB, at the business end of a season.
I suspect the story is half right, but they also all probably called each other really horrible names too. Surprised the media missed that.
Nothing to see here.
Surprised the Mayo news ran with such a headline, a mountain out of a molehill.
Well, well, well, the thick plottens, as my (sole) Rossie friend would say. So Adam Gallagher is still on the panel and fight enough to play for his club, yet Horan keeps him in limbo land.
From the way he was shaping up during the league, I thought he'd be a shoo in for the championships.
It's not as if we were blessed with an abundance of talent upfront or anything close to it and yet Gallagher and Feeney are in the dog house and seem likely to stay there for the rest of our season.
Anyone know why they are not in James's good books?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Well, well, well, the thick plottens, as my (sole) Rossie friend would say. So Adam Gallagher is still on the panel and fight enough to play for his club, yet Horan keeps him in limbo land.
From the way he was shaping up during the league, I thought he'd be a shoo in for the championships.
It's not as if we were blessed with an abundance of talent upfront or anything close to it and yet Gallagher and Feeney are in the dog house and seem likely to stay there for the rest of our season.
Anyone know why they are not in James's good books?
Sure I assume Feeney is still ex-communicated after the Dillion-induced complaints late last season? Horan sure knows how to hold a grudge if that's the case, it's a wonder he let him rejoin the panel after Mitchels lost the AI final if this was all he had planned for him.
Young Adameen has stood out at every grade from minor to senior that I've seen him play at. Almost single-handedly won Mayo the minor Connacht final in 2012. Doherty is playing pretty well but for him to be out in the cold entirely since the league is very surprising.
Any training-induced injuries?
I'm not sure what you mean by ''the plot thickens' Lar.
The story itself seems like a non story that was just chuckled on at the press conference , why the Mayo news made a headline out of it , i can't fathom , if it was the CT id understand .
I'm not shy about pointing out any mistakes i think Horan has made but in his defence and to be fair to the players you mention both Feeney and Adam seem happy to be part of matchday squad and training squad .
Adam Gallagher played two very good games v Kildare and Tyrone in the opening rounds of the league , then he seemed to be found out v Kerry as in s&c , he looked fooked in that game. Personally i thought it would be just a learning curve and that it was an introduction to senior level proper , practice and more games i thought would of been essential to his development but he has not been seen since. So maybe that is what is required as in maybe its a year too early for him.
The feeney situation is like said above done to death, i cant rhyme nor reason with it, we all know he was needed last sept , most of us believe there was friction and then our first outing champo 14 and hes introduced in injury time . The man brings loyalty to a new level, fair fucks to him.
There is always the possibility that he is being saved for sept final day and hes beeen in special trainning all summer to run the fookin bol x off MDMA and co, :D :) :) :) ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Well, well, well, the thick plottens, as my (sole) Rossie friend would say. So Adam Gallagher is still on the panel and fight enough to play for his club, yet Horan keeps him in limbo land.
From the way he was shaping up during the league, I thought he'd be a shoo in for the championships.
It's not as if we were blessed with an abundance of talent upfront or anything close to it and yet Gallagher and Feeney are in the dog house and seem likely to stay there for the rest of our season.
Anyone know why they are not in James's good books?
Now we know who is out to get him .
of course there will be rows with the county board and little power plays on behalf of the manager , look at Mcguinness in donegal who wont be Happy till the sun orbits him.
but some one is running to the media every time there is a little row in the camp and of course the media will run with it
their duty is to inform the public and Horan never gives much away,
I suspect a castlebar Faction is Preparing a coup Adam Gallagher is the future but now is Feenys time and he is a fantastic asset to mayo as he could Literally play in any position on the Field. the bench maybe the best place for him but to be used and not in the 68Th minute.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Well, well, well, the thick plottens, as my (sole) Rossie friend would say. So Adam Gallagher is still on the panel and fight enough to play for his club, yet Horan keeps him in limbo land.
From the way he was shaping up during the league, I thought he'd be a shoo in for the championships.
It's not as if we were blessed with an abundance of talent upfront or anything close to it and yet Gallagher and Feeney are in the dog house and seem likely to stay there for the rest of our season.
Anyone know why they are not in James's good books?
Now we know who is out to get him .
of course there will be rows with the county board and little power plays on behalf of the manager , look at Mcguinness in donegal who wont be Happy till the sun orbits him.
but some one is running to the media every time there is a little row in the camp and of course the media will run with it
their duty is to inform the public and Horan never gives much away,
I suspect a castlebar Faction is Preparing a coup Adam Gallagher is the future but now is Feenys time and he is a fantastic asset to mayo as he could Literally play in any position on the Field. the bench maybe the best place for him but to be used and not in the 68Th minute.
There isn't much evidence of a Castlebar faction on the CB, is there?
David Coldrick is reffing this one.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
Well, well, well, the thick plottens, as my (sole) Rossie friend would say. So Adam Gallagher is still on the panel and fight enough to play for his club, yet Horan keeps him in limbo land.
From the way he was shaping up during the league, I thought he'd be a shoo in for the championships.
It's not as if we were blessed with an abundance of talent upfront or anything close to it and yet Gallagher and Feeney are in the dog house and seem likely to stay there for the rest of our season.
Anyone know why they are not in James's good books?
Now we know who is out to get him .
of course there will be rows with the county board and little power plays on behalf of the manager , look at Mcguinness in donegal who wont be Happy till the sun orbits him.
but some one is running to the media every time there is a little row in the camp and of course the media will run with it
their duty is to inform the public and Horan never gives much away,
I suspect a castlebar Faction is Preparing a coup Adam Gallagher is the future but now is Feenys time and he is a fantastic asset to mayo as he could Literally play in any position on the Field. the bench maybe the best place for him but to be used and not in the 68Th minute.
There isn't much evidence of a Castlebar faction on the CB, is there?
could that be part of the problem.
I was not thinking it would be any on on actual CB itself All upstanding members of the community im sure but some one is feeding the Press .
Maybe it the Disappointed ones.
I seriously doubt if any of the squad are bothered about anything other than the semi-final.
Maybe one of the understandably pissed-off clubs got wind of the row.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
I seriously doubt if any of the squad are bothered about anything other than the semi-final.
Maybe one of the understandably pissed-off clubs got wind of the row.
Fair play to Horan. He was a club manager himself and he knows its dog eat dog and right now he's in a position to bite hardest. The same was a county board meeting reported last week where clubs were very critical of Horan for putting pressure on players not to play in senior championship games. This is nothing new and there's no moles or coups involved. One of Horan s most scathing criticshas been his own clubman ironically. Horan knows well what s he s up against and fair play to him.
The same delegates will be sharpening knives for him anyway for the AGM when they ll be wearing their county hats. f**k them.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Is someone ouut to get Horan
or at least disrupt mayos Campaign
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
In fairness, that's a disgrace. He has every right to walk away.
Something is rotten in the state of Mayo....
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by ''the plot thickens' Lar.
The story itself seems like a non story that was just chuckled on at the press conference , why the Mayo news made a headline out of it , i can't fathom , if it was the CT id understand .
I'm not shy about pointing out any mistakes i think Horan has made but in his defence and to be fair to the players you mention both Feeney and Adam seem happy to be part of matchday squad and training squad .
Adam Gallagher played two very good games v Kildare and Tyrone in the opening rounds of the league , then he seemed to be found out v Kerry as in s&c , he looked fooked in that game. Personally i thought it would be just a learning curve and that it was an introduction to senior level proper , practice and more games i thought would of been essential to his development but he has not been seen since. So maybe that is what is required as in maybe its a year too early for him.
The feeney situation is like said above done to death, i cant rhyme nor reason with it, we all know he was needed last sept , most of us believe there was friction and then our first outing champo 14 and hes introduced in injury time . The man brings loyalty to a new level, fair f**ks to him.
There is always the possibility that he is being saved for sept final day and hes beeen in special trainning all summer to run the fookin bol x off MDMA and co, :D :) :) :) ;)
What is s&c? Strengthening and conditioning (not great with the buzz stuff)? That wouldn t be an issue if he was playing where he can play.
I was at those games. He did not look fooked v Kerry. He looked like somebody asked to play out of position. Just like Kevin McLoughlin looks like when he s asked to play in corner, and McLoughlin was a settled player and couldn t do it. What chance had Gallagher? Horan is obviously so desperate for corner men he s going to try things but the Gallagher thing was ridiculous - I mean why not try Shane McHale or Tom Cunniffe cf. At least they would have marked cfs. Gallagher had no business being played cf whatsoever. Doherty is one of the few we have that can play inside and he s been resprayed as a grafter and occasional point taker. Feeney and Gallagher can do the grafting but cant play inside. It doesn t make sense.
PS. At least the penny has dropped and Dillon now playing closer to goals. 2 years too late maybe but it s still a plus.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 13, 2014, 12:00:08 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 12, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Is someone ouut to get Horan
or at least disrupt mayos Campaign
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20439:mayo-manager-horan-denies-quit-rumours-&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
In fairness, that's a disgrace. He has every right to walk away.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
People get carried away up here about the auld clubs - the people who run/own the clubs that is. Horan knows that. He also knows that the clubs will shaft him as well as soon as he loses. Like they did Mckey Moran and John Morrisson and others. Yet it is all James Horan s fault. Meh.
Quote from: moysider on August 13, 2014, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by ''the plot thickens' Lar.
The story itself seems like a non story that was just chuckled on at the press conference , why the Mayo news made a headline out of it , i can't fathom , if it was the CT id understand .
I'm not shy about pointing out any mistakes i think Horan has made but in his defence and to be fair to the players you mention both Feeney and Adam seem happy to be part of matchday squad and training squad .
Adam Gallagher played two very good games v Kildare and Tyrone in the opening rounds of the league , then he seemed to be found out v Kerry as in s&c , he looked fooked in that game. Personally i thought it would be just a learning curve and that it was an introduction to senior level proper , practice and more games i thought would of been essential to his development but he has not been seen since. So maybe that is what is required as in maybe its a year too early for him.
The feeney situation is like said above done to death, i cant rhyme nor reason with it, we all know he was needed last sept , most of us believe there was friction and then our first outing champo 14 and hes introduced in injury time . The man brings loyalty to a new level, fair f**ks to him.
There is always the possibility that he is being saved for sept final day and hes beeen in special trainning all summer to run the fookin bol x off MDMA and co, :D :) :) :) ;)
What is s&c? Strengthening and conditioning (not great with the buzz stuff)? That wouldn t be an issue if he was playing where he can play.
I was at those games. He did not look fooked v Kerry. He looked like somebody asked to play out of position. Just like Kevin McLoughlin looks like when he s asked to play in corner, and McLoughlin was a settled player and couldn t do it. What chance had Gallagher? Horan is obviously so desperate for corner men he s going to try things but the Gallagher thing was ridiculous - I mean why not try Shane McHale or Tom Cunniffe cf. At least they would have marked cfs. Gallagher had no business being played cf whatsoever. Doherty is one of the few we have that can play inside and he s been resprayed as a grafter and occasional point taker. Feeney and Gallagher can do the grafting but cant play inside. It doesn t make sense.
PS. At least the penny has dropped and Dillon now playing closer to goals. 2 years too late maybe but it s still a plus.
Fair play Moy, You've hit the nail on the head again there. I agree 100%.
The cute hoors are confident they'll bate Mayo, they might just get an awful shock to the system.
Are Mayo about to burst into the 2014 championship and say 'how does that sit, for a tired team' ?
Looking forward to this game, I think it could be the match of the championship so far (with Mayo hopefully coming out the right side of a tight game)
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2014, 07:45:13 AM
Looking forward to this game, I think it could be the match of the championship so far (with Mayo hopefully coming out the right side of a tight game)
It'll do well to be as good as Mayo's last match. Both matches look to be fascinating.
I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
It'll happen when you least expect it, Moy..
Well the bookies have this as more or less a 50/50 game and I don't know about anyone else but Kerry are the last county you want to be in a 50/50 game with!!!
I think a combination of our lads running on empty and the Kerry fellas growing up batin' the shite out of us will see a cozy enough win for the Kingdom. If I had to give a prediction I would say the yerra's will hit us for a couple of early sucker punch goals ( expect a heap of laser like high accurate balls in on top of our fullback line for the first 15 mins) with us dragging ourselves into the fight through the O'Shea brothers getting stuck into the the Kerry midfield only for the team's legs to run out of life around 55 mins along with the killer James O Donoghue goal.
So there it is ladies a prediction Farr of Knockmore would be proud of , Mayo 1-15 ( Cillian with 1-06) Kerry 3-16. :'(
The real question is can the Dubs keep their side of the bargain to tee up the peoples final and give us maybe a rerun of 1975 again!! ;)
Cunnife or Higgins for O'Donoghue?
Both are quick enough for him, but I think Cunniffe might be the man to start on him and Higgins can then get involved in his normal game or fight fires as they break out.
Kerry would want to start a lot better than they did against Galway. Mayo would take at least 50% of those early chances Galway missed and if we get an early lead Kerry will find it hard to drag us back, unless O'Donoghue catches fire.
We have won two games by a single point this year, which is either living dangerously or demonstrates the ability to win tight matches, depending on your view of the world.
Still thinking an edgy 2 point win.
Absolutely disgraceful that this has only got 12 pages so far. >:(
A sign that the Mayowestros bucks know the game is up I expect.
We'll be in those feckin red jerseys.....ominous >:(
Reaching 3 consecutive AI in this day and age would be some going in fairness. I find it hard to see us competing against Mayo's middle third. They'll know all the tricks in the book at this stage.
I never thought this fella would be a Mayo supporter
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f128ee6c-1daf-11e4-8f0c-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3AlWNQAlu
Philip Stephens, FT chief political commentator
Dry-stone walled, rough-thatched, and cutting a swath through the bracken and gorse, my new home glances down at the narrow Pollagh river as it meanders towards the Moy and gazes up through the mist towards the peak of Sliabh Cairn. County Mayo in the west of Ireland is a place of desolate beauty, of peat bogs, mountains, fog and, yes, rain. Tourists head for the prettified Atlantic coast and stare at the expensive yachts in Westport harbour. Those in the know enjoy rural Mayo as nature intended.
©Andrea Pistolesi/Getty
My imagined house sits on the edge of Kiltimagh (Coillte Mach), the place of my mother's birth and where, as a child, I spent countless glorious summers. In the eyes of Dublin sophisticates, this makes me a "Culchie" (Coillte). Kiltimagh gave Ireland the disparaging term for someone struggling to comb the hay from his hair. I have been called worse.
The house is vast, a permanent retreat for the scattered diaspora of Martins and Costellos. In the stone-floored sitting room stands a peat-burning range, its blackened pots simmering with boiled ham and starchy potatoes. There are occasional touches of luxury: the bathrooms are inside and there is central heating upstairs.
The house, of course, would not cost £1m. Nothing like it. But I would use the change to buy and reinstate the town's Savoy cinema: a place of fond memories
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2014, 12:37:05 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 18, 2014, 12:33:47 AM
The cute hoors are confident they'll bate Mayo, they might just get an awful shock to the system.
Are Mayo about to burst into the 2014 championship and say 'how does that sit, for a tired team' ?
Good Man Larry. Are you just in from the Pub?
More of bumping of the thread and it worked too.
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
I never thought this fella would be a Mayo supporter
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f128ee6c-1daf-11e4-8f0c-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3AlWNQAlu
Philip Stephens, FT chief political commentator
Dry-stone walled, rough-thatched, and cutting a swath through the bracken and gorse, my new home glances down at the narrow Pollagh river as it meanders towards the Moy and gazes up through the mist towards the peak of Sliabh Cairn. County Mayo in the west of Ireland is a place of desolate beauty, of peat bogs, mountains, fog and, yes, rain. Tourists head for the prettified Atlantic coast and stare at the expensive yachts in Westport harbour. Those in the know enjoy rural Mayo as nature intended.
©Andrea Pistolesi/Getty
My imagined house sits on the edge of Kiltimagh (Coillte Mach), the place of my mother's birth and where, as a child, I spent countless glorious summers. In the eyes of Dublin sophisticates, this makes me a "Culchie" (Coillte). Kiltimagh gave Ireland the disparaging term for someone struggling to comb the hay from his hair. I have been called worse.
The house is vast, a permanent retreat for the scattered diaspora of Martins and Costellos. In the stone-floored sitting room stands a peat-burning range, its blackened pots simmering with boiled ham and starchy potatoes. There are occasional touches of luxury: the bathrooms are inside and there is central heating upstairs.
The house, of course, would not cost £1m. Nothing like it. But I would use the change to buy and reinstate the town's Savoy cinema: a place of fond memories
Beautiful. Best of luck to him.
Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2014, 12:40:21 PM
I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
I've no fear of Donegal. People talk about revenge for the quarter-final last year but Donegal were running on empty then. Doubt it hit them that hard. Mayo, however, wouldn't mind some revenge for the year before. Relax yourself Moysider. Those Gallowglasses don't come sweeping down the glens like they used to.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 18, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
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I never thought this fella would be a Mayo supporter
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f128ee6c-1daf-11e4-8f0c-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3AlWNQAlu
Philip Stephens, FT chief political commentator
Dry-stone walled, rough-thatched, and cutting a swath through the bracken and gorse, my new home glances down at the narrow Pollagh river as it meanders towards the Moy and gazes up through the mist towards the peak of Sliabh Cairn. County Mayo in the west of Ireland is a place of desolate beauty, of peat bogs, mountains, fog and, yes, rain. Tourists head for the prettified Atlantic coast and stare at the expensive yachts in Westport harbour. Those in the know enjoy rural Mayo as nature intended.
©Andrea Pistolesi/Getty
My imagined house sits on the edge of Kiltimagh (Coillte Mach), the place of my mother's birth and where, as a child, I spent countless glorious summers. In the eyes of Dublin sophisticates, this makes me a "Culchie" (Coillte). Kiltimagh gave Ireland the disparaging term for someone struggling to comb the hay from his hair. I have been called worse.
The house is vast, a permanent retreat for the scattered diaspora of Martins and Costellos. In the stone-floored sitting room stands a peat-burning range, its blackened pots simmering with boiled ham and starchy potatoes. There are occasional touches of luxury: the bathrooms are inside and there is central heating upstairs.
The house, of course, would not cost £1m. Nothing like it. But I would use the change to buy and reinstate the town's Savoy cinema: a place of fond memories
Beautiful. Best of luck to him.
A great piece of writing. He has a grá for the county.
Captures it very well.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 18, 2014, 12:33:47 AM
The cute hoors are confident they'll bate Mayo, they might just get an awful shock to the system.
Are Mayo about to burst into the 2014 championship and say 'how does that sit, for a tired team' ?
The smiling assassin is coming for ye Larry..don't get too excited now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFO5ztumVXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFO5ztumVXs)
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I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all
I've no fear of Donegal. would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
People talurself Moysider. Those Gallowglasses don't come sk about revenge for the quarter-final last year but Donegal were running on empty then. Doubt it hit them that hard. Mayo, however, wouldn't mind some revenge for the year before. Relax yoweeping down the glens like they used to.
I wasn t thinking about Donegal, but if they manage to do the Dubs and we face them, I would fear them an awful lot.
As regards Kerry on Sunday. I don t think 'tradition' will have anything to do with us. If we had a bit more about us in the forwards and didn t hang our markers out to dry we would be nailed on. Disappointingly both are issues that needn t ever have become an issue but it could be our undoing like it almost was v Cork. In most areas we should have the edge on Kerry except for O Donoghue and maybe that bit of savvy on the line. But that may be enough for Kerry.
While O Donoghue is special it might be some comfort for Mayo fans that Jamie Clarke was held to just 1 point in his last two games. These things can happen but the way we set up you would fancy that O Donoghue and others will be given chances.
A plus for us is that we almost got caught by Cork but managed to tough it out. A different Cork and a very docile Galway rolled over for Kerry so they really cant be sure how they will react if they are put to the pin of their collar?
I have a heavy wedge on Mayo.Looking forward to a great game between two really good attacking sides.I think Mayos overall team ethic will swing it.
The winner will make the best opposition for Dublin.
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I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all
I've no fear of Donegal. would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
People talurself Moysider. Those Gallowglasses don't come sk about revenge for the quarter-final last year but Donegal were running on empty then. Doubt it hit them that hard. Mayo, however, wouldn't mind some revenge for the year before. Relax yoweeping down the glens like they used to.
I wasn t thinking about Donegal, but if they manage to do the Dubs and we face them, I would fear them an awful lot.
As regards Kerry on Sunday. I don t think 'tradition' will have anything to do with us. If we had a bit more about us in the forwards and didn t hang our markers out to dry we would be nailed on. Disappointingly both are issues that needn t ever have become an issue but it could be our undoing like it almost was v Cork. In most areas we should have the edge on Kerry except for O Donoghue and maybe that bit of savvy on the line. But that may be enough for Kerry.
While O Donoghue is special it might be some comfort for Mayo fans that Jamie Clarke was held to just 1 point in his last two games. These things can happen but the way we set up you would fancy that O Donoghue and others will be given chances.
A plus for us is that we almost got caught by Cork but managed to tough it out. A different Cork and a very docile Galway rolled over for Kerry so they really cant be sure how they will react if they are put to the pin of their collar?
So 14 of Mayo's team are better than Kerry equivalent you say?
Care to do a player by player breakdown of that for me?
If 14 of the 15 were better then I don't think we would be 'having an edge' over Kerry. I think that O'Donaghue is a standout but there's not much in the other 14 with Mayo maybe edging it 8-6.
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
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CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Don't know who O'Donaghue is but i have heard of O'Donoghue and you are spot on, he isn't fit to lace the boots of such once in a generation players like Donie, Senan and of course Cregger
Quote from: seafoid on August 18, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
I never thought this fella would be a Mayo supporter
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f128ee6c-1daf-11e4-8f0c-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3AlWNQAlu
Philip Stephens, FT chief political commentator
Dry-stone walled, rough-thatched, and cutting a swath through the bracken and gorse, my new home glances down at the narrow Pollagh river as it meanders towards the Moy and gazes up through the mist towards the peak of Sliabh Cairn. County Mayo in the west of Ireland is a place of desolate beauty, of peat bogs, mountains, fog and, yes, rain. Tourists head for the prettified Atlantic coast and stare at the expensive yachts in Westport harbour. Those in the know enjoy rural Mayo as nature intended.
©Andrea Pistolesi/Getty
My imagined house sits on the edge of Kiltimagh (Coillte Mach), the place of my mother's birth and where, as a child, I spent countless glorious summers. In the eyes of Dublin sophisticates, this makes me a "Culchie" (Coillte). Kiltimagh gave Ireland the disparaging term for someone struggling to comb the hay from his hair. I have been called worse.
The house is vast, a permanent retreat for the scattered diaspora of Martins and Costellos. In the stone-floored sitting room stands a peat-burning range, its blackened pots simmering with boiled ham and starchy potatoes. There are occasional touches of luxury: the bathrooms are inside and there is central heating upstairs.
The house, of course, would not cost £1m. Nothing like it. But I would use the change to buy and reinstate the town's Savoy cinema: a place of fond memories
I never knew this.
Makes a lot of sense.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Don't know who O'Donaghue is but i have heard of O'Donoghue and you are spot on, he isn't fit to lace the boots of such once in a generation players like Donie, Senan and of course Cregger
3 who are no longer of much addition and whose time is nearly up. Hope O'Donoghue is of more use to his team or Mwr will be sailing into yet another Final.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Don't know who O'Donaghue is but i have heard of O'Donoghue and you are spot on, he isn't fit to lace the boots of such once in a generation players like Donie, Senan and of course Cregger
3 who are no longer of much addition and whose time is nearly up. Hope O'Donoghue is of more use to his team or Mwr will be sailing into yet another Final.
Finally a Roscommon man talking sense, from the outside looking in you would swear these guys were absolute all star laden superstars according to ye're esteemed "expert" on everything yet I have never seen anything from them but traits of ordinary footballers.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Trying to be the Martin McHugh of the board now? Good to see you've found your level anyway..sounds about right.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Trying to be the Martin McHugh of the board now? Good to see you've found your level anyway..sounds about right.
Just winding you up. O'Donoghue is a serious talent. His ould man was an unused sub back in 1980, my dah still has the program and the bad memories.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Trying to be the Martin McHugh of the board now? Good to see you've found your level anyway..sounds about right.
Just winding you up. O'Donoghue is a serious talent. His ould man was an unused sub back in 1980, my dah still has the program and the bad memories.
Yep, Diarmuid was a serious player himself. Would walk on current team..was one of a group who were failed by Micko not using them enough back in the day. Got a few bad injuries aswell which didn't help him.
lets predict:
Kerry by 3
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I wonder will Horan do us all a favour and start Varley? I mean we don't like to see him coming on and I must admit any time he does come on my heart sinks (sorry REDCOL, PS you were damn right in calling for Caolan Crowe to be called up) and so do the other season ticket supporters. So maybe start him and take him off perhaps? At least he'd have his stintín done and wouldn't be shooting mad wides with 10 minutes to go.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Farr!
Seriously though has there ever been a quieter Mayo thread.
I mean could it be that we all
I've no fear of Donegal. would like to win this one but we know what s coming after?
People talurself Moysider. Those Gallowglasses don't come sk about revenge for the quarter-final last year but Donegal were running on empty then. Doubt it hit them that hard. Mayo, however, wouldn't mind some revenge for the year before. Relax yoweeping down the glens like they used to.
I wasn t thinking about Donegal, but if they manage to do the Dubs and we face them, I would fear them an awful lot.
As regards Kerry on Sunday. I don t think 'tradition' will have anything to do with us. If we had a bit more about us in the forwards and didn t hang our markers out to dry we would be nailed on. Disappointingly both are issues that needn t ever have become an issue but it could be our undoing like it almost was v Cork. In most areas we should have the edge on Kerry except for O Donoghue and maybe that bit of savvy on the line. But that may be enough for Kerry.
While O Donoghue is special it might be some comfort for Mayo fans that Jamie Clarke was held to just 1 point in his last two games. These things can happen but the way we set up you would fancy that O Donoghue and others will be given chances.
A plus for us is that we almost got caught by Cork but managed to tough it out. A different Cork and a very docile Galway rolled over for Kerry so they really cant be sure how they will react if they are put to the pin of their collar?
So 14 of Mayo's team are better than Kerry equivalent you say?
Care to do a player by player breakdown of that for me?
I said no such thing. Relax and don t be spoiling for a row where there is no grounds for one.
I said areas. I think we might have an edge in the middle third. Our defenders are pretty useful if Horan can bring himself to play a bit of cover back. O Donoghue would be the stand out killer forward though.
Tbh I m not familiar enough with the newer Kerry players to make a direct comparison. I ve seen this team once in the league and twice on the telly live.
Most people have seen Mayo a lot so I ll leave the direct comparison to you if you like doing that kind of thing.
always make me laugh , fella arguing the Toss about whose Grandfather Bastardised the correct irish spelling of a name the most .
the name is Ó Donnchadha ,
Mayo by 7
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always make me laugh , fella arguing the Toss about whose Grandfather Bastardised the correct irish spelling of a name the most .
the name is Ó Donnchadha ,
Mayo by 7
..or O'Donnchú..there's a large area of north Kerry called Ballydonoghue..Baile uí Donnchú..seeing as how you brought it up!
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always make me laugh , fella arguing the Toss about whose Grandfather Bastardised the correct irish spelling of a name the most .
the name is Ó Donnchadha ,
Mayo by 7
..or O'Donnchú..there's a large area of north Kerry called Ballydonoghue..Baile uí Donnchú..seeing as how you brought it up!
I'm hoping it will be O'Donn-a-who? on Sunday. ;)
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Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
CO'C is every bit as much a stand-out as O'Donaghue, sadly.
Who?
That's exactly what I said when the PR machine took over this year.
Trying to be the Martin McHugh of the board now? Good to see you've found your level anyway..sounds about right.
Just winding you up. O'Donoghue is a serious talent. His ould man was an unused sub back in 1980, my dah still has the program and the bad memories.
And the "7 degrees of Roscommanation game" gets yet another thread back to the Rossies eventually.
Did ye not read the article recently which said statistically counties with populations below 100K havent a notion of winning the all ireland. Time for the Rossies to get breeding
Roscommunism.
Boscommon
This thread has been Rossied. They all get Rossied eventually.
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This thread has been Rossied. They all get Rossied eventually.
Not much chance of anything being Galwayed around here, to be fair.
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This thread has been Rossied. They all get Rossied eventually.
This man is well and truly Rossied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CcDIdd2ycQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CcDIdd2ycQ)
I know it's Paddy Joe without even clicking the link. Great hair cuts at good prices.
This is a tough game to call but I think Mayo are favourites against Kerry for the first time in a very long time. I think Kerry would have Mayo's number had they met most years pin the past decade but the pieces are falling into place for Mayo this year IMO. They still lack a real killer forward but C O'C is getting closer that level all the time, Andy Moran will improve the more football he gets under his belt and Doherty is finally bringing some consistency to his play. They are probably stronger in the middle third than they've ever been (and they were very strong there for a few years as it was), they've a bit more about them up front and their full back line is capable of marking high quality forwards.
Kerry will deliver a performance, you couldn't see them not show up like the Cork hurlers last Sunday, and when Kerry perform that can beat anyone. Still I've a feeling it's the green and gold jersey that keeps you from going with Mayo confidently.
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This is a tough game to call but I think Mayo are favourites against Kerry for the first time in a very long time. I think Kerry would have Mayo's number had they met most years pin the past decade but the pieces are falling into place for Mayo this year IMO. They still lack a real killer forward but C O'C is getting closer that level all the time, Andy Moran will improve the more football he gets under his belt and Doherty is finally bringing some consistency to his play. They are probably stronger in the middle third than they've ever been (and they were very strong there for a few years as it was), they've a bit more about them up front and their full back line is capable of marking high quality forwards.
Kerry will deliver a performance, you couldn't see them not show up like the Cork hurlers last Sunday, and when Kerry perform that can beat anyone. Still I've a feeling it's the green and gold jersey that keeps you from going with Mayo confidently.
For me no. I m more worried about how we let Cork back into it after our third 1/4 push when the issue should have been resolved there and then. We ve a habit of doing that and probably will continue to do so.
If I was to compare and pick our players against other teams I d have a good few Mayo players as choice - even against the Dubs . Cunniffe/Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, 2 X O Shea, McLoughlin and O Connor would all be choice?
I m not starting a debate here that somebody might be better than Boyle, Higgins or Cillian O Connor. What I am saying is that if I were putting out a team I would gladly have them before I would look elsewhere.
Losscommon
So, southerly to south-easterly gales likely on Sunday. So anyone in Hogan (probably back to row MM (3/4 of the way back) if not further) will get a soaking.
I will meanwhile be sitting with a smug smile in row MM in mid Lower Cusack ;)
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Quote from: Zulu on August 19, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
This is a tough game to call but I think Mayo are favourites against Kerry for the first time in a very long time. I think Kerry would have Mayo's number had they met most years pin the past decade but the pieces are falling into place for Mayo this year IMO. They still lack a real killer forward but C O'C is getting closer that level all the time, Andy Moran will improve the more football he gets under his belt and Doherty is finally bringing some consistency to his play. They are probably stronger in the middle third than they've ever been (and they were very strong there for a few years as it was), they've a bit more about them up front and their full back line is capable of marking high quality forwards.
Kerry will deliver a performance, you couldn't see them not show up like the Cork hurlers last Sunday, and when Kerry perform that can beat anyone. Still I've a feeling it's the green and gold jersey that keeps you from going with Mayo confidently.
For me no. I m more worried about how we let Cork back into it after our third 1/4 push when the issue should have been resolved there and then. We ve a habit of doing that and probably will continue to do so.
If I was to compare and pick our players against other teams I d have a good few Mayo players as choice - even against the Dubs . Cunniffe/Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Boyle, 2 X O Shea, McLoughlin and O Connor would all be choice?
I m not starting a debate here that somebody might be better than Boyle, Higgins or Cillian O Connor. What I am saying is that if I were putting out a team I would gladly have them before I would look elsewhere.
That's what worries me too. That's the alpha and the omega of our problems.
We damn near let the Rossies piss on our parade also and if you go back to the league, there were a few games where the team eased off when they could have won comfortably.
Joe Brolly claimed that Mayo won't win and AI unless they develop a streak of ruthlessness and for once, I agree with him.
We've been hearing all year that this team is peaking for September, well we're very close to that now and you'd like to see an improvement.
15 minutes of football against Cork is all we've really shown this year but then that's been enough so why would we do more.
I'm getting a worrying sense of deja-vu to 2009, I thought we'd piss all over Meath and might have if Killer didn't go off injured but we let them stay in the game and they had the stronger kick.
Last day out seemed a bit like that but we had the kick so maybe that was the deja-vu moment.
Unlike most here I don't worry about our forwards, we put up huge scores regularly, COC can give us 8-10 per match and the rest chip in. Its our tactical naivety at the back where we go toe-to-toe, that cant happen with O'Donoghue on Sunday
Tompkins: Mayo lack leadership and stomach
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=222784 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=222784)
Harsh words from Larryín.
It's almost as if he's trying to get the Mayo lads massively wound up for the Kerry game!
Although why he would try and do that is beyond me.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kerry-have-the-armoury-to-shatter-mayo-s-dreams-of-all-ireland-glory-1.1901763
id expect Mayo to win by 5 points
Tompkins trying to rile Mayo up to beat his new sworn enemy - Kerry !!
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
Mayo's form line has picked up in each game they've played this year. If their FB line stabilises it won't take anything else to produce a very good performance.
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id expect Mayo to win by 5 points
Tompkins trying to rile Mayo up to beat his new sworn enemy - Kerry !!
Why would he? Thompkins was never afraid to express himself down the years. A lot of what he says here others have said before. Like the stuff about Dillon - how many times have we heard that?
Maybe there is a lot of merit in what he is saying too. But like a lot of others he s incline to stick to the tried and trusted old chestnuts of wisdom when it comes down to it. I doubt he gives a shite but when asked for an opinion he went with a few points anybody around the country would have filed away in their option department when it comes to Mayo.
Strong rumour going round this evening about the Mayo team that Gibbons and Freeman are in for Barrett and Andy with Vaughan going back to wing back.I dont know how reliable this is as it didnt come from my usual source but a few people seem to have heard the same.
Freeman back in would be welcome as I'd prefer to see one of Andy or Dillon coming on with the potential to change things. Personally I thought the Vaughan at MF was worth persevering with as he provides a lot of much needed legs around the middle. That said, Gibbons was going well until he got injured.
Any idea of an attendance for this game? I was told this evening in Supervalu that it's nearly sold out but I think the young fella was telling me lies.
Mayoman Dan, the super valu buckeen was telling lies, GAA very worried this could be an all time low for semi final, 30 k expected at the moment.
And your''rumour'' is just speculation in Mayo news by mike finnerty.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2014, 11:14:51 PM
Mayoman Dan, the super valu buckeen was telling lies, GAA very worried this could be an all time low for semi final, 30 k expected at the moment.
And your''rumour'' is just speculation in Mayo news by mike finnerty.
I don't read the mayo news larryin89 apologies if that's where it came from but two people txt me this evening telling me that's the team.Il be heading for Supervalu in the morning they sold an elderly relation 4 hill tickets this evening telling her they couldn't get her 4 seats together anywhere else.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
You wha? Of all the arguments for Mayo winning (and there are many to be fair) this is definitely the most ridiculous I've heard!
We are about winning Sam in September lad, nothing less is satisfactory...I would have thought someone from a real football county wouldn't have to be reminded of that..
Will Donaghy feature? I would hate to see him in at ff
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 20, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
Will Donaghy feature? I would hate to see him in at ff
Donaghy is pretty much finished at this level. Got a few mins against Clare and was appalling.
What age would he be? Why is he finished is it a lack of form or injuries or something else? He was a serious ff a few years ago
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 20, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
You wha? Of all the arguments for Mayo winning (and there are many to be fair) this is definitely the most ridiculous I've heard!
We are about winning Sam in September lad, nothing less is satisfactory...I would have thought someone from a real football county wouldn't have to be reminded of that..
Care not to call me lad pal!
You d have to pick on something that I presented as an imponderable and choose to interpret as an argument.
You obviously have some sense of expectation from what is a new Kerry team. Entitlement perhaps?
Also it's not often anybody calls us a real football county. Ridicule, entitlement and cynicism is some going in one post about a football match.
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 20, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
You wha? Of all the arguments for Mayo winning (and there are many to be fair) this is definitely the most ridiculous I've heard!
We are about winning Sam in September lad, nothing less is satisfactory...I would have thought someone from a real football county wouldn't have to be reminded of that..
Care not to call me lad pal!
You d have to pick on something that I presented as an imponderable and choose to interpret as an argument.
You obviously have some sense of expectation from what is a new Kerry team. Entitlement perhaps?
Also it's not often anybody calls us a real football county. Ridicule, entitlement and cynicism is some going in one post about a football match.
The fact you even suggested it is ridiculous...and now you've started going on about entitlement?! ::)
I was being genuine btw. I've encountered Mayo people all over the world and no better men to discuss or play football with. When it boils down to it, there are only a handful of real hardcore football areas and Mayo is definitely one of them.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 20, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
You wha? Of all the arguments for Mayo winning (and there are many to be fair) this is definitely the most ridiculous I've heard!
We are about winning Sam in September lad, nothing less is satisfactory...I would have thought someone from a real football county wouldn't have to be reminded of that..
Care not to call me lad pal!
You d have to pick on something that I presented as an imponderable and choose to interpret as an argument.
You obviously have some sense of expectation from what is a new Kerry team. Entitlement perhaps?
Also it's not often anybody calls us a real football county. Ridicule, entitlement and cynicism is some going in one post about a football match.
The fact you even suggested it is ridiculous...and now you've started going on about entitlement?! ::)
I was being genuine btw. I've encountered Mayo people all over the world and no better men to discuss or play football with. When it boils down to it, there are only a handful of real hardcore football areas and Mayo is definitely one of them.
I m not sure what you re taking as an insult?
I m not going to patronise Kerry people and tell them they have a great manager to get as far as they have. But what do you do if Kerry don t win this AI? Even with a team that has to regenerate very quickly there is little room for sentiment. Ever think ye re spoiled? In recent years fans from Meath, Galway, Tyrone, Down, and Armagh had perennial expectations.
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 20, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Strong rumour :( going round this evening about the Mayo team that Gibbons and Freeman are in for Barrett and Andy with Vaughan going back to wing back.I dont know how reliable this is as it didnt come from my usual source but a few people seem to have heard the same.
Maybe another ' horses for courses' selection, if it's the team.
Now - at the risk of drawing 'Thuaidh' s ire, I think we all know that Mayo have to win middle third by a lot to win.
If I were JH, I would try to course the big Kerry men around the pitch. I think Maher, Buckley, Moran and Sheehan will be asked to move a lot. Donncha is a good worker but he could be on back foot here. Keegan sacrificed his usual attacking game v Cork to take Kerrigan out of the game but could have different game next day.
As regards the rumoured team. Even if it doesn't happen it makes sense. Freeman scored 1-5 v Kerry in league and Gibbons was best midfielder out there if memory serves me. Instead of Moran and Maher jumping into clouds we ll have more mobility there and Gibbons can field with the best of them anyway. This team would make sense if true. I think Kerry need to get their hf line into the game and it won't be easy v Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan. Inside we could have problems. But that depends where Declan O Sullivan plays.
If he plays deep playmaker, we have a defender in front of Geaney and O Donoghue. If he plays inside we have a problem :( but maybe more opportunities going forward.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 20, 2014, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 20, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
Will Donaghy feature? I would hate to see him in at ff
Donaghy is pretty much finished at this level. Got a few mins against Clare and was appalling.
Find that hard to believe tbh. He was my motm in the 2011 AIF and find it hard to believe that a player can go downhill so quickly.
I would always fear him.
As the game draws closer I'm finding it harder to make a logical case for a Kerry win. If asked to make a case I'm reduced to Kerry being Kerry and lingering doubts about Mayo forwards to put up a score against a top team. I said in an earlier post that Kerry will perform but I'm equally confident Mayo will too.
Take out the Munster final and what have Kerry done this year that marks them out as a team that can rattle Mayo? A mediocre league followed by 2 laboured wins against Clare and Galway. The Cork performance was as much about Cork as it was about Kerry so where's the form line that gives Kerry a chance?
In contrast, Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2014, 01:19:17 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 20, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Strong rumour :( going round this evening about the Mayo team that Gibbons and Freeman are in for Barrett and Andy with Vaughan going back to wing back.I dont know how reliable this is as it didnt come from my usual source but a few people seem to have heard the same.
Maybe another ' horses for courses' selection, if it's the team.
Now - at the risk of drawing 'Thuaidh' s ire, I think we all know that Mayo have to win middle third by a lot to win.
If I were JH, I would try to course the big Kerry men around the pitch. I think Maher, Buckley, Moran and Sheehan will be asked to move a lot. Donncha is a good worker but he could be on back foot here. Keegan sacrificed his usual attacking game v Cork to take Kerrigan out of the game but could have different game next day.
As regards the rumoured team. Even if it doesn't happen it makes sense. Freeman scored 1-5 v Kerry in league and Gibbons was best midfielder out there if memory serves me. Instead of Moran and Maher jumping into clouds we ll have more mobility there and Gibbons can field with the best of them anyway. This team would make sense if true. I think Kerry need to get their hf line into the game and it won't be easy v Keegan, Boyle and Vaughan. Inside we could have problems. But that depends where Declan O Sullivan plays.
If he plays deep playmaker, we have a defender in front of Geaney and O Donoghue. If he plays inside we have a problem :( but maybe more opportunities going forward.
I think Gibbons would be a huge positive if he brings some of his league form in to Croke park with his ability to field and run all day. Freeman hasn't found any consistent form since the league game against Cork ( his shot when he came on the last day emphasises this) but he seems well up for the fight again this year ( his turnover for Aidan's goal was brilliant)!
I think if O'Sullivan goes deep like against Cork Boyler should sit and mind the house with Aidan , Doc and Kevin Mac pushing up to make life hard for anyone trying to quarterback from deep.I suppose one of Tom or Keith will marshall O' Donoghue but the key to this is to limit the supply into him and Geaney. If O'Brien is fit for Kerry I would stick Keegan on him and leave Donie with Walsh but if it is Buckley and Walsh then I would swap Keegan and Donie around.
Obviously or running game will be our first choice to attack but I think we need to work Dillion Doc and Kev into good position should Kerry jam up the middle as these are our best scorers from 40 yards ( provided Cillian stays close to goal). It would be nice if we could tweak our kicking game slightly as it is way too predictable at the moment for opposing defenders. Also we have to be clinical with our goal chances like in this years league and last years championsip if we are to have any chance at beating the Kingdom.
I wouldnt know what to make of either of these teams.
Are Mayo primed to peak later in the season or in a slow decline?
Are Kerry just a two trick pony :P?
Kerry have had the upper hand in recent championship clashes but must be a relief for Mayo lads to see Gooch not around this time. He has been chief tormentor during that time.
http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/29/Colm-Cooper
2011 1-7
2006 1-2
2005 1-1
2004 1-5
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2014, 12:42:26 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 21, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 20, 2014, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 20, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
The way Mayo played in their last three games will not be good enough to beat Kerry even the Dubs had to peak themselves to overcome Kerry last year. Dublin's form was good going into that semi final while Mayo are expected to turn their form on like a tap, I think the last side to do that was Kerry themselves five years ago.
I m delighted we played the way we did last 3 games and are still in it.
We defo haven t peaked but it remains to be seen how good the peak will be. I think Sunday will see us at least trying to bring it to another level. Physically and mentally we will be better but of course there is no guarantee that our football clicks into place. Kerry will be going out to set the tempo so Mayo need to grab the game by the scruff of the neck - something that we failed to do in Cork first half. Also drive on to the end if we are on top - something that we haven't done all year.
But it's impossible to get a handle on the respective form of either team. Both teams played Galway and Cork. Galway were more watery v Kerry than us. Galway did have a huge amount of possession though v Kerry.
Cork were a different animal v Mayo than the naive set-up and no- show in Munster final. So very difficult to predict on what we ve seen so far. The teams are in different places. Could it be that Kerry have peaked for Cork and deep down they may be reasonably sated with the progress made?
God only knows how this one will go. Thank God football not very predictable.
Stephen Hawking - ' cannot predict future events exactly if one cannot even measure the present state of the universe'
Imo there are two many unknowns about both teams to be confident of predicting an outcome.
You wha? Of all the arguments for Mayo winning (and there are many to be fair) this is definitely the most ridiculous I've heard!
We are about winning Sam in September lad, nothing less is satisfactory...I would have thought someone from a real football county wouldn't have to be reminded of that..
Care not to call me lad pal!
You d have to pick on something that I presented as an imponderable and choose to interpret as an argument.
You obviously have some sense of expectation from what is a new Kerry team. Entitlement perhaps?
Also it's not often anybody calls us a real football county. Ridicule, entitlement and cynicism is some going in one post about a football match.
The fact you even suggested it is ridiculous...and now you've started going on about entitlement?! ::)
I was being genuine btw. I've encountered Mayo people all over the world and no better men to discuss or play football with. When it boils down to it, there are only a handful of real hardcore football areas and Mayo is definitely one of them.
I m not sure what you re taking as an insult?
I m not going to patronise Kerry people and tell them they have a great manager to get as far as they have. But what do you do if Kerry don t win this AI? Even with a team that has to regenerate very quickly there is little room for sentiment. Ever think ye re spoiled? In recent years fans from Meath, Galway, Tyrone, Down, and Armagh had perennial expectations.
???
Can't make head nor tail of that post to be honest..."Ever think ye're spoiled"?? You've gone off on some tangent that I've no intention of following here..
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
As the game draws closer I'm finding it harder to make a logical case for a Kerry win. If asked to make a case I'm reduced to Kerry being Kerry and lingering doubts about Mayo forwards to put up a score against a top team. I said in an earlier post that Kerry will perform but I'm equally confident Mayo will too.
Take out the Munster final and what have Kerry done this year that marks them out as a team that can rattle Mayo? A mediocre league followed by 2 laboured wins against Clare and Galway. The Cork performance was as much about Cork as it was about Kerry so where's the form line that gives Kerry a chance?
In contrast, Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
I'd argue that , even without the Gooch, Kerry are stronger this year than last and last year they couldve beat Dublin. O'Sullivan playing the Gooch quarter back role better than anyone in the business, Walsh finally playing decent football, Geany and O'Brien slotting in seemlessly, O'Donahue the form inside forward and in Sheehan, the best free taker in the land. A big strong mobile midfield unit, a cute-hooerish tight defence and unrivalled experience of winning all-ireland semi finals. The option of throwing Donaghey onto the edge of the square and a couple of Mayo defenders with him = logical. Their league form means diddly, and there is, at best, a slim chance of Mayo or any of the other semi finalists beating Dublin this year. How you come to the conclusion that if they raise their form, the Kingdom wont be able to live with them is pretty baffling. I'd be very surprised if Kerry dont make it to the final. Kerry by 3/4
Quote from: J OGorman on August 21, 2014, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
As the game draws closer I'm finding it harder to make a logical case for a Kerry win. If asked to make a case I'm reduced to Kerry being Kerry and lingering doubts about Mayo forwards to put up a score against a top team. I said in an earlier post that Kerry will perform but I'm equally confident Mayo will too.
Take out the Munster final and what have Kerry done this year that marks them out as a team that can rattle Mayo? A mediocre league followed by 2 laboured wins against Clare and Galway. The Cork performance was as much about Cork as it was about Kerry so where's the form line that gives Kerry a chance?
In contrast, Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
I'd argue that , even without the Gooch, Kerry are stronger this year than last and last year they couldve beat Dublin. O'Sullivan playing the Gooch quarter back role better than anyone in the business, Walsh finally playing decent football, Geany and O'Brien slotting in seemlessly, O'Donahue the form inside forward and in Sheehan, the best free taker in the land. A big strong mobile midfield unit, a cute-hooerish tight defence and unrivalled experience of winning all-ireland semi finals. The option of throwing Donaghey onto the edge of the square and a couple of Mayo defenders with him = logical. Their league form means diddly, and there is, at best, a slim chance of Mayo or any of the other semi finalists beating Dublin this year. How you come to the conclusion that if they raise their form, the Kingdom wont be able to live with them is pretty baffling. I'd be very surprised if Kerry dont make it to the final. Kerry by 3/4
I don't agree on any of that and am in complete agreement with Zulu.
Higgins v JOD will be interesting. Either way he will be double marked. Let's not forget last year Gooch unlocked the Dublin defence for JOD last year and he isn't there this year. When he was held JOD didn't make a huge impact in the second half. He won't have Gooch on Sunday. It beggars belief how people buy into this rubbish Kerry are stronger without Gooch.- (only the best player to have played the game!)
Sheehan might be a free taker but the O Se's are born fielders . The Kerry midfield has their work cut on Sunday. Both good footballers but I'm sure midfield is a place for footballers anymore.
The coup de gras in my view. the Mayo half back line. Two brilliant wing backs in Keegan and Boyle and a reasonable centre back if Vaughan plays there. Kerry half forward line has some job on their hands there.
For Kerry to win in my view- JOD needs a master class, Sheehan and Maher have to prove themselves in the physical stakes at midfield and the likes of Donncha Walsh and Dec O Sullivan will have to nullify Keegan and Co.
Thats a hard sell for me.
Of course if the Mayo forwards get the yips then all of the above is rendered redundant. Have a sneaking suspicion this could be Mayo's year. I've said that for about 3 months now. They remind me of the Dublin team of the 90's who eventually got over the line. And I really think for 70% of them its now or never.
If kerry do pull this off they will be significant opposition in the AL Final for either Donegal or Dublin
Is there any chance Donaghy will start? That would be a complete headache for the Mayo defence.
What is with all the talk of Donaghy lads? Have ye been watching Kerry play at all? He's nowhere near starting or even coming off the bench most likely.
Mayo by 5/6 for me
QuoteMayo by 5/6 for me
Good man heffo. I'm confident but not over confident. Putting everything to one side and if I was neutral it would be Mayo by 9. As I'm not neutral I would say a 7 or 8 point win.
Kerry will get the timber on Sunday that Cork forgot to give them. They won't know where to turn.
Mayo by a nose hair Id imagine or even a draw...........................Kerry aren't going to put in a we have been on the beer for the year performance like Donegal last year buckos, Id calm down with your annihilation stuff
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Is there any chance Donaghy will start? That would be a complete headache for the Mayo defence.
I would hope that Mayo have figured out to deal with a big man on the edge of the square at this stage.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 21, 2014, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
As the game draws closer I'm finding it harder to make a logical case for a Kerry win. If asked to make a case I'm reduced to Kerry being Kerry and lingering doubts about Mayo forwards to put up a score against a top team. I said in an earlier post that Kerry will perform but I'm equally confident Mayo will too.
Take out the Munster final and what have Kerry done this year that marks them out as a team that can rattle Mayo? A mediocre league followed by 2 laboured wins against Clare and Galway. The Cork performance was as much about Cork as it was about Kerry so where's the form line that gives Kerry a chance?
In contrast, Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
I'd argue that , even without the Gooch, Kerry are stronger this year than last and last year they couldve beat Dublin. O'Sullivan playing the Gooch quarter back role better than anyone in the business, Walsh finally playing decent football, Geany and O'Brien slotting in seemlessly, O'Donahue the form inside forward and in Sheehan, the best free taker in the land. A big strong mobile midfield unit, a cute-hooerish tight defence and unrivalled experience of winning all-ireland semi finals. The option of throwing Donaghey onto the edge of the square and a couple of Mayo defenders with him = logical. Their league form means diddly, and there is, at best, a slim chance of Mayo or any of the other semi finalists beating Dublin this year. How you come to the conclusion that if they raise their form, the Kingdom wont be able to live with them is pretty baffling. I'd be very surprised if Kerry dont make it to the final. Kerry by 3/4
I don't agree on any of that and am in complete agreement with Zulu.
Higgins v JOD will be interesting. Either way he will be double marked. Let's not forget last year Gooch unlocked the Dublin defence for JOD last year and he isn't there this year. When he was held JOD didn't make a huge impact in the second half. He won't have Gooch on Sunday. It beggars belief how people buy into this rubbish Kerry are stronger without Gooch.- (only the best player to have played the game!)
Sheehan might be a free taker but the O Se's are born fielders . The Kerry midfield has their work cut on Sunday. Both good footballers but I'm sure midfield is a place for footballers anymore.
The coup de gras in my view. the Mayo half back line. Two brilliant wing backs in Keegan and Boyle and a reasonable centre back if Vaughan plays there. Kerry half forward line has some job on their hands there.
For Kerry to win in my view- JOD needs a master class, Sheehan and Maher have to prove themselves in the physical stakes at midfield and the likes of Donncha Walsh and Dec O Sullivan will have to nullify Keegan and Co.
Thats a hard sell for me.
Of course if the Mayo forwards get the yips then all of the above is rendered redundant. Have a sneaking suspicion this could be Mayo's year. I've said that for about 3 months now. They remind me of the Dublin team of the 90's who eventually got over the line. And I really think for 70% of them its now or never.
If kerry do pull this off they will be significant opposition in the AL Final for either Donegal or Dublin
ah behave
So, every Dub on the board is either going for or I'd say, hoping for a Mayo win
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2014, 02:31:50 PM
Mayo by a nose hair Id imagine or even a draw...........................Kerry aren't going to put in a we have been on the beer for the year performance like Donegal last year buckos, Id calm down with your annihilation stuff
Yerra shur we're happy with the Munster title Squire..we're just hoping the minors give us something to shout about on Sunday..
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2014, 02:31:50 PM
Mayo by a nose hair Id imagine or even a draw...........................Kerry aren't going to put in a we have been on the beer for the year performance like Donegal last year buckos, Id calm down with your annihilation stuff
Very few realistic/knowledgable Mayo fans calling for an annihilation. Two or three points would be fine for me. I am basing that prediction being at both Q/finals and my feeling that the potential lack of mobility of Kerry around the middle, one or two dodgy backs (we are also a little suspect), and of course Colm Cooper missing.
Concerns ,our inability to kick points from 35+ yards on a consistent basis, however as stated, there were times V Galway where the Kerry midfield and half backs looked very sluggish, and I believe that that will be biggest factor on Sunday.
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
Would have to wonder after all the years of reaching All Ireland finals that Mayo didn't come up with this masterplan of peaking when it matters before?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2014, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Is there any chance Donaghy will start? That would be a complete headache for the Mayo defence.
I would hope that Mayo have figured out to deal with a big man on the edge of the square at this stage.
Caff destroyed Donaghy in 2011. The former has improved since then.
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
Semi final??? What?? When? This Sunday??? We're in it??? Is it that time of year already??
Feck it, I'd better arrange the relief milker. I thought we lost to Cork
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 21, 2014, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
Mayo have been building towards this as they knew they could get here without peaking but would need to peak to win an All Ireland. They are good enough to win an all Ireland but not good enough to do so if they don't perform to their best. I think Mayo will be far better than they've looked so far and if they raise it I can't see Kerry live with them.
Would have to wonder after all the years of reaching All Ireland finals that Mayo didn't come up with this masterplan of peaking when it matters before?
Aye, because it's just that easy.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
You're nothing but a sanctimonious p***k.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
You're nothing but a sanctimonious p***k.
Jaysus, would ya go aesy Farr! Don't show them any weakness ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
You're nothing but a sanctimonious p***k.
Your mother described it as big.
Any word of starting teams? Apart from usual rumours.
Kerry being announced later after training, Mayo don't know. I'd predict the following, but could be way off:
Ciarraí:
1. Kelly
2. Murphy
3. Marc O'Sé
4. Enright
5. Fitzgerald
6. Young
7. Crowley
8. Maher
9. Moran
10. O'Brien
11. Buckley
12. Walsh
13. Geaney
14. Declan Sullivan
15. JOD
Maigh Eo
1. Hennelly
2. Cunniffe
3. Cafferkey
4. Higgins
5. Keegan
6. Boyle
7. Vaughan
8. Gibbons
9. SOS
10. McLaughlin
11. AOS
12. Doherty
13. COC
14. Freeman
15. Dillon
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2014, 06:52:07 PM
Any word of starting teams? Apart from usual rumours.
Should it be announced by now? Not that it really matters. I presume there will be a red herring or two in it! Although Horan has more or less gone with named teams this year.
Tomorrow lunchtime
OffTheBall reporting Declan O'Sullivan is not starting for Kerry. They all reckon he'll play a part though.
Full team:
KERRY (SF v Mayo): Brian Kelly; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Shane Enright; Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitzgerald; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Michael Geaney, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Stephen O'Brien, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue.
No Brian Sheehan...
After listening to that offtheball show, where in here is that pic of Brady with the caption ''we'll beat yiz'' i want if for my facebook.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
No Brian Sheehan...
Saving him, the tubby one just doesnt have the legs for 70
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
No Brian Sheehan...
Saving him, the tubby one just doesnt have the legs for 70
Yeah, and they have a very impressive bench. They will finish with a stronger team than they start with. And going on past games, we'll do the opposite. Could be another nervy finish, will we squeeze through again or will we be caught....
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
No Brian Sheehan...
Saving him, the tubby one just doesnt have the legs for 70
If you'd been paying attention you'd know he got injured against Galway and hasn't trained in 3 weeks.
Bit surprised by Kerry team. Few things that wouldn't fill me with confidence to be honest. Hope this plan Fitzy has works out.
Is O Sullivan injured?
His knees are ballixed but I thought he'd start. Bit of a bizarre team to be honest. Hardly looks like a Kerry team at all.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
OffTheBall reporting Declan O'Sullivan is not starting for Kerry. They all reckon he'll play a part though.
Full team:
KERRY (SF v Mayo): Brian Kelly; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Shane Enright; Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitzgerald; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Michael Geaney, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Stephen O'Brien, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue.
Buckley is a good player but I feel he is lacking something at this level. Not convinced by either Geaney. One is just ordinary, the other is too flakey. Very worried about Aidan O'Mahoney.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Bit surprised by Kerry team. Few things that wouldn't fill me with confidence to be honest. Hope this plan Fitzy has works out.
Dec must be hurt CT. Although speaking to Kerry Lads. They have huge respect for Buckley and think he will do a good job at CHF. Everyone talking about the Dubs bench.......that Kerry bench is groaning with Celtic crosses.
Cute Kerry honours, resting the big names for the final.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
You're nothing but a sanctimonious p***k.
:D
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Bit surprised by Kerry team. Few things that wouldn't fill me with confidence to be honest. Hope this plan Fitzy has works out.
Dec must be hurt CT. Although speaking to Kerry Lads. They have huge respect for Buckley and think he will do a good job at CHF. Everyone talking about the Dubs bench.......that Kerry bench is groaning with Celtic crosses.
Ah shur he's being held together with tape. I think the 15 mins at the end is probably all he can manage right now..sadly. Has a lot of it played. On Kerry Senior panel since 2002 and had injury trouble as a minor before that even.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Bit surprised by Kerry team. Few things that wouldn't fill me with confidence to be honest. Hope this plan Fitzy has works out.
Dec must be hurt CT. Although speaking to Kerry Lads. They have huge respect for Buckley and think he will do a good job at CHF. Everyone talking about the Dubs bench.......that Kerry bench is groaning with Celtic crosses.
Ah shur he's being held together with tape. I think the 15 mins at the end is probably all he can manage right now..sadly. Has a lot of it played. On Kerry Senior panel since 2002 and had injury trouble as a minor before that even.
Yerra Yerra 8)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 21, 2014, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
I've never seen a quieter thread involving Mayo in an AI semi-final.
It looks like they have finally cracked the keeping-a-lid-on-things aspect. This is a very ominous development from our point of view.
You're nothing but a sanctimonious p***k.
:D
I wouldn't mind but I was being serious. I have honestly never seen such a low key build up.
That really hurt my feelings :D
I'd be gutted for Westport St. Patrick if Mayo won the AI the year after he retired.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
I'd be gutted for Westport St. Patrick if Mayo won the AI the year after he retired.
And not for the first time Syf, I'd like to know wtf you are on about. ;D
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 21, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
I'd be gutted for Westport St. Patrick if Mayo won the AI the year after he retired.
And not for the first time Syf, I'd like to know wtf you are on about. ;D
He's on about the fella who dressed up like St Patrick and banged his bodhrán with a wooden spoon. I had a sneaking suspicion twas yourself that was in it Lár ;)
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Bit surprised by Kerry team. Few things that wouldn't fill me with confidence to be honest. Hope this plan Fitzy has works out.
Dec must be hurt CT. Although speaking to Kerry Lads. They have huge respect for Buckley and think he will do a good job at CHF. Everyone talking about the Dubs bench.......that Kerry bench is groaning with Celtic crosses.
Ah shur he's being held together with tape. I think the 15 mins at the end is probably all he can manage right now..sadly. Has a lot of it played. On Kerry Senior panel since 2002 and had injury trouble as a minor before that even.
Yerra Yerra 8)
I wish it was Sams, really do. He will hopefully come on and give us a lift with 15 or 20 to go, if the game is still there.
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
Where the hell is that?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
Kerry team for Sunday.
KERRY (SF v Mayo): Brian Kelly; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Shane Enright; Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitzgerald; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Michael Geaney, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Stephen O'Brien, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
I would say Ginnygwilla. Home of the legendary Rosie!
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
You've just been called out twice in the space of half an hour by two other kerrymen about your obvious faux pas.
It's like when you try to pontificate about the opinions of Americans. You don't have a clue so stfu and let locals who are in the know educate you about the facts.
You dumb shit.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
I would say Ginnygwilla. Home of the legendary Rosie!
True..a lot of locals leave out the V part, but you gotta try to squeeze it in there! Rosie is the best of breed from there alright..now half a Crokes man though and Ambrose Jnr is very much a townie.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:59:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
I would say Ginnygwilla. Home of the legendary Rosie!
True..a lot of locals leave out the V part, but you gotta try to squeeze it in there! Rosie is the best of breed from there alright..now half a Crokes man though and Ambrose Jnr is very much a townie.
Some Older locals drop the G and just say 'neevguilla. A lot of others pronounce it like 5-Sams mentioned.
whatever way you pronounce it we can all agree that Seafoid made a complete twat of himself.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
You've just been called out twice in the space of half an hour by two other kerrymen about your obvious faux pas.
It's like when you try to pontificate about the opinions of Americans. You don't have a clue so stfu and let locals who are in the know educate you about the facts.
You dumb shit.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
OffTheBall reporting Declan O'Sullivan is not starting for Kerry. They all reckon he'll play a part though.
Full team:
KERRY (SF v Mayo): Brian Kelly; Marc Ó Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Shane Enright; Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitzgerald; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Michael Geaney, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Stephen O'Brien, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue.
Buckley is a good player but I feel he is lacking something at this level. Not convinced by either Geaney. One is just ordinary, the other is too flakey. Very worried about Aidan O'Mahoney.
It's
O'Mahony, you dumb shit! :D :) (At least this particular Anglicised version is spelt thus.)
I take your point though, I too think his time has passed.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 22, 2014, 12:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:59:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
I would say Ginnygwilla. Home of the legendary Rosie!
True..a lot of locals leave out the V part, but you gotta try to squeeze it in there! Rosie is the best of breed from there alright..now half a Crokes man though and Ambrose Jnr is very much a townie.
Some Older locals drop the G and just say 'neevguilla. A lot of others pronounce it like 5-Sams mentioned.
whatever way you pronounce it we can all agree that Seafoid made a complete t**t of himself.
Also, you never hear "Ginnygwilla" said on its own. Its usually "wan Ginnygwilla".
QuoteVery few realistic/knowledgable Mayo fans calling for an annihilation. Two or three points would be fine for me. I am basing that prediction being at both Q/finals and my feeling that the potential lack of mobility of Kerry around the middle, one or two dodgy backs (we are also a little suspect), and of course Colm Cooper missing.
All year we are gearing our play for one team and one team only. We should easily have the measure of this Kerry team, that's the reality. I said to a few Kerry lads that we would take them by 6 or more and they were shocked. I think they are shocked because they know it's a reality and they will have to face defeat to us and also because Mayo people have an air of confidence about our team for a change.
This confidence came across in the crowd the last day and I hope it does again this Sunday.
I can't believe how much James O'Donoghue is being allowed to talk to the media (not that I'm complaining) - he is everywhere this week. All print media, RTE, you name it.
He's contributing to his own hype. If he can continue to deliver on it, fair play to him, but he (and the Kerry mgmt) are adding to the pressure on him and could be setting him up for a fall!
Quote from: blanketattack on August 22, 2014, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 22, 2014, 12:18:23 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:59:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 21, 2014, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Mayo by one point for another long drive full of dheras back to Gnieveguillia and associated mythologies.
for a supposed gaelgoir you have a piss poor grasp of Irish placenames
still sore about the qtr final eh ?
That's an anglicisation. Not the Erse.
And it's Gaelgeoir btw.
You can't have o following the consonant after an e
Up Mayo.
Its Gneeveguilla...pronounced Gwen-Eve-Grilla...if you pronounce the Grilla part as Jonathan Ross would. :P
I would say Ginnygwilla. Home of the legendary Rosie!
True..a lot of locals leave out the V part, but you gotta try to squeeze it in there! Rosie is the best of breed from there alright..now half a Crokes man though and Ambrose Jnr is very much a townie.
Some Older locals drop the G and just say 'neevguilla. A lot of others pronounce it like 5-Sams mentioned.
whatever way you pronounce it we can all agree that Seafoid made a complete t**t of himself.
Also, you never hear "Ginnygwilla" said on its own. Its usually "wan Ginnygwilla".
Or with 'f**king' as a prefix. "Where are ye playing this weekend?" "Above in f**king Ginnygwilla"
Jaysus lads would ye chill our, theres not alot of love in the room. I'll pray for ye.
At this stage I'm afraid of everything Fitzmaurice does, hes starting to look like he has vodoo powers or something. I do think hes planning to drive on the last 20 minutes with the bench and win it then. Thats where they look stronger based on this team selection, if the Mayo team rumored is correct then the only potential game changer we have coming off the bench is Andy Moran. Barry Moran maybe as well although he wouldn't be a game changer as such, just would add more physicality to the middle for the last 15 to 20
Last year I would have said Ritchie Feeney coming in with 20 minutes to go in this match would be a possibility, and a big positive for Mayo, and I'd be very happy with that given the engine he has and the physicality he displays, but whatever he's done there doesn't seem to be any way back for poor Ritchie. And we're the worse off for it.
Surprised O'Mahony held his place but Kerry dont have a lot of options at the back.
Midfield will need plenty of help ...David Moran mixes the sublime with the ridiculous and Maher drifts in and out of games.
The forward line is handy though - not one man at all.
Mayo Team Named; Same as previous match.
1.) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2.) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3.) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4.) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5.) Lee Keegan - Westport
6.) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
7.) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8.) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
9.) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10.) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11.) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
12.) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14.) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15.) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Donie Buckley - Selector
Tom Prendergast - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Selector
Quote from: highorlow on August 22, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
[. We should easily have the measure of this Kerry team, that's the reality. I said to a few Kerry lads that we would take them by 6 or more ...... Mayo people have an air of confidence about our team .
This kind of talk can only have a sad ending...... when will they ever learn?
QuoteThis kind of talk can only have a sad ending...... when will they ever learn?
Go for a spin on your magic bus.
Any team with aspirations of winning Sam should not have Donal Vaughan and Moran in the starting 15
I don't see any reason for undue optimism as we approach the game. If Mayo play like they did in the third quarter against Cork, we should prevail by a couple of points at least.
However, if one was to go by the final quarter, we'll be well and truly fooked.
Really, inconsistency has been the trade mark of this year's Mayo side, since the beginning of the league in fact.
I've laboured this point before so I won't go into it again; JH criticised his team's performance after most if not all league games, which I thought was uncharacteristic of him. He was going on about basic errors and lack of concentration and the likes.
Make no mistake about it, JH would have liked to win the league and was pissed off by the result of the semi-final against Derry.
Ross was very unlucky not to pip us at the post and Cork could feel hard done by as well.
Still, this is, overall;, a good Mayo side and if they don't o off the boil at crucial stages of the game, they would be a match for any team in the land.
IMO, the forward unit this year is the best we've seen since James took over and while there's no so-called marquee forward about, the degree of teamwork and devotion to the cause is commendable, very much so.
Aidan O'Shea is turning into a class CHF; Kevin Mac is back on form again, COC is playing closer to his true potential than ever before. Add in that Doc has upped his game considerably and I think this side is four or five points better than last year.
Still, I won't be happy till the final whistle, no matter what the score is, as tere's is always the danger of lads losing the plot at some stage.
I won't feel anyway confident until Farr comes out and prophesies that we'll be bate half way up Clonliffe Road.
Quote from: highorlow on August 22, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
Mayo Team Named; Same as previous match.
1.) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2.) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3.) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4.) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5.) Lee Keegan - Westport
6.) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
7.) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8.) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
9.) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10.) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11.) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
12.) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14.) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15.) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Donie Buckley - Selector
Tom Prendergast - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Selector
I would have preferred if Gibbons and Freeman started instead of Moran and Barrett but James wants to stick to his tried and tested. This will also probably mean that Conroy and Varley will be the first two subs in and they have to show us more than they have so far although in my view this is unlikely. We really have to somehow wipe Kerry out in the middle third to have any chance and probably need Dillion , Kevin Mac and Cillian shooting the lights out too. It's a big ask for these two things to happen and I think is highly unlikely that both will come to pass!!
I just think Barrett has lost a little bit of form and with our full back line being isolated I fear they will struggle massively which against Kerry usually means and a couple of early goals are conceded before you can make any adjustment!! I was being seduced by some of the yerra stuff toward the middle of the week which got my hopes up a little but I am going to go with my gut instinct that we will be hit hard and early but go down fighting with our boots on only for the tank to run out of fuel around the hour mark.
Kerry by 5 or 6 with their bench finishing us off.
This is an intriguing prospect.
While I don't think it'll be a close game, i really don't know how to call it.
Mayo have been a bit dodgy all year, maybe playing at about 60-70% potential. But if they hit 80-90% of last year's form on Sunday, I reckon they'd wipe the floor with Kerry. They're simply a much better team on paper, and if they click, they're dynamite.
At 60-70%, and if Kerry hit a early goal or two, I reckon Horan's stint with Mayo would come to a rather inglorious end, with heads dropping everywhere, discipline going out the window, and a handful of retirements on the final whistle. It's proper sh1t or burst territory for this team now. They can't keep getting their hearts broken and not lose the plot.
Personally I hope it's the former. A confident and feisty Mayo is our only hope for a competitive AI final.
If Mayo are unleashed, we will destroy that Kerry team. This holdin back craic is no addition at this stage of the championship and shouldnt of been a tactic in QF either.
Controlled performance my bollix go out and kill them for the whole 70 mins , 4 weeks to refuel ffs.
No Gooch, O'Sullivan, Sheehan to add to losses of Galvin and T O'Shea from last year. They are severely under strength.
Its a battle hardened experienced fully fit Mayo team V a young team missing all their leaders.
10/11 Mayo on that basis is a great price.
Mayo to beat Kerry by more than the Dubs beat Donegal...
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
If Mayo are unleashed, we will destroy that Kerry team. This holdin back craic is no addition at this stage of the championship and shouldnt of been a tactic in QF either.
Controlled performance my bollix go out and kill them for the whole 70 mins , 4 weeks to refuel ffs.
;D FFS Are you saying that wearing a thong ala David Brady
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
If Mayo are unleashed, we will destroy that Kerry team. This holdin back craic is no addition at this stage of the championship and shouldnt of been a tactic in QF either.
Controlled performance my bollix go out and kill them for the whole 70 mins , 4 weeks to refuel ffs.
;D FFS Are you saying that wearing a thong ala David Brady
Nope.
Who in that Kerry team will stop AOS? We will murder them all over the middle third. Maher, moran buckley , give me a break , different league to Kerry as a unit esp round the middle.
Fancy Mayo to win this one easily. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a hammering tbh.
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Quote from: highorlow on August 22, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
[. We should easily have the measure of this Kerry team, that's the reality. I said to a few Kerry lads that we would take them by 6 or more ...... Mayo people have an air of confidence about our team .
This kind of talk can only have a sad ending...... when will they ever learn?
Syferus's frequent inclination to hyperbole when it comes to matters Roscommon football is typical of opinion in the county then?
I expect a couple of changes to Mayo starting 15. There kinda has to be if JH is to manage to keep the effort going for 70 mins. There are arguably as many as 10 players in the panel that cant/wont be used at this stage of the year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
Not like you to be so pessimistic Farr.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 22, 2014, 10:57:17 AM
Any team with aspirations of winning Sam should not have Donal Vaughan and Moran in the starting 15
You weren't watching the last game so.
I'd hope Andy would start after putting in his best performance since his injury (his substitution destroyed Mayo's cohesion when they had all but covered Cork's coffin in dirt) the last day but it could be a dummy team for all we know.
I could also argue against Barrett starting as his point v Tyrone last year has him nailed down to start.
I think Moran would more effective coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes when defenders aren't as fresh.
He has a good football brain, but he needs to be on the field and at his freshest when the game is there to be won.
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
This is an intriguing prospect.
While I don't think it'll be a close game, i really don't know how to call it.
Mayo have been a bit dodgy all year, maybe playing at about 60-70% potential. But if they hit 80-90% of last year's form on Sunday, I reckon they'd wipe the floor with Kerry. They're simply a much better team on paper, and if they click, they're dynamite.
At 60-70%, and if Kerry hit a early goal or two, I reckon Horan's stint with Mayo would come to a rather inglorious end, with heads dropping everywhere, discipline going out the window, and a handful of retirements on the final whistle. It's proper sh1t or burst territory for this team now. They can't keep getting their hearts broken and not lose the plot.
Personally I hope it's the former. A confident and feisty Mayo is our only hope for a competitive AI final.
Cannot agree with your second last paragraph, to be honest, I was worried that this could have been the case V Cork, and when Cork were let back into the game and equalized, Mayo did not collapse but in fact showed incredible mental strength to kick on.
I dunno if winning a game you should win is a sign of incredible mental strength.
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
:o :o :o
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2014, 02:34:49 PM
I dunno if winning a game you should win is a sign of incredible mental strength.
Given the way it unfolded and the backdrop that Mayo were a team that were on the go for four years, they could have collapsed like Donegal last year and an easy excuse would have been that they were a tired team etc.
A midfield pair of Seamus O'Shea and Donal Vaughan is strong, but probably as overrated as could be since the quarter-final.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2014, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
:o :o :o
You disagree? When SOS and David Moran were in UL together Moran was the star man on the Sigerson team. Although he has had serious injuries since then and SOS has grown into an excellent midfielder I don't think you could say there is a massive difference between a midfield pairing of Maher/Moran and Vaughan/O'Shea.
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2014, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
Unfortunately for him injuries have had a serious impact on Moran's mobility. That was very evident in Q/final
:o :o :o
You disagree? When SOS and David Moran were in UL together Moran was the star man on the Sigerson team. Although he has had serious injuries since then and SOS has grown into an excellent midfielder I don't think you could say there is a massive difference between a midfield pairing of Maher/Moran and Vaughan/O'Shea.
The middle third isnt just about the 8 and 9 though, i have my doubts Vaughan will line out there anyway but going back to your point , we will murder Kerry around that area and will dictate the game because of this.
Kerry hf line no pace , Mayo hb line pace power pace and more power.
This game will be over after 20 mins.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
The middle third isnt just about the 8 and 9 though, i have my doubts Vaughan will line out there anyway but going back to your point , we will murder Kerry around that area and will dictate the game because of this.
Kerry hf line no pace , Mayo hb line pace power pace and more power.
This game will be over after 20 mins.
Good man Larry, Is Mayo mick on Holidays ??
Bold selection, even if I think there will be a change or two before the start.
Vaughan is being groomed for MDMA imho. That tells you how the management views the season panning out. I hope they are right. Looking at the Kerry selection, they could be.
Our season really starts on sunday.
Quote from: joemamas on August 22, 2014, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
This is an intriguing prospect.
While I don't think it'll be a close game, i really don't know how to call it.
Mayo have been a bit dodgy all year, maybe playing at about 60-70% potential. But if they hit 80-90% of last year's form on Sunday, I reckon they'd wipe the floor with Kerry. They're simply a much better team on paper, and if they click, they're dynamite.
At 60-70%, and if Kerry hit a early goal or two, I reckon Horan's stint with Mayo would come to a rather inglorious end, with heads dropping everywhere, discipline going out the window, and a handful of retirements on the final whistle. It's proper sh1t or burst territory for this team now. They can't keep getting their hearts broken and not lose the plot.
Personally I hope it's the former. A confident and feisty Mayo is our only hope for a competitive AI final.
Cannot agree with your second last paragraph, to be honest, I was worried that this could have been the case V Cork, and when Cork were let back into the game and equalized, Mayo did not collapse but in fact showed incredible mental strength to kick on.
Mayo teams in fairness over the last few years haven't had an issue will the mental side of the game(except for all ireland final day) I expect them to beat Kerry on Sunday as it's only a semi final in August. For whatever reasons the big name players just haven't done it for them on all ireland final day over the last few years & I don't see how this year will be any different.
Don't agree Mayo have frozen on the big day, they've lost finals to two of the best teams in the country. I'd be shocked if Mayo flop in any game they play in from now on, if they are good enough they'll win the All Ireland, if they aren't they won't.
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
Bold selection, even if I think there will be a change or two before the start.
Vaughan is being groomed for MDMA imho. That tells you how the management views the season panning out. I hope they are right. Looking at the Kerry selection, they could be.
Our season really starts on sunday.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Mdma would destroy that pup, Flynn owned him all over the park last year, Cannot wait to see what Mdma would do with him
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Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
Bold selection, even if I think there will be a change or two before the start.
Vaughan is being groomed for MDMA imho. That tells you how the management views the season panning out. I hope they are right. Looking at the Kerry selection, they could be.
Our season really starts on sunday.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Mdma would destroy that pup, Flynn owned him all over the park last year, Cannot wait to see what Mdma would do with him
Flynn just happens to be the best player in the country. And while he was good, Flynn has played a hell of a lot better than last year's final.
A large part of MDMA is his big engine and his connection with Cluxton. Hence Vaughan.
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2014, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
:o :o :o
You disagree? When SOS and David Moran were in UL together Moran was the star man on the Sigerson team. Although he has had serious injuries since then and SOS has grown into an excellent midfielder I don't think you could say there is a massive difference between a midfield pairing of Maher/Moran and Vaughan/O'Shea.
Mayo played Kerry when these two were U21. SOS & Parsons destroyed Moran and his MF partner for 45 minutes until Walsh was moved out to MF, Kerry broke even after that and won by a pt I think, possibly after et? Moran has a hell.of a lot to prove on Sunday.
Unfortunately for the first time in a long time i will be not attending a Mayo game but i suppose the couch will have to do or maybe a bar stool. On the game it's one i'm cautiously optimistic about it. I say cautiously because it's Kerry and no matter what 15 players they line out with they are extremely talented. People say they're in a transition period which i agree with but on the day, with their tradition and skill level they have just a good of a chance as we do. It's a game that's too close to call given the team news in the last 24 hours i would slightly favour us but something tells me the teams that are named wont be the teams that start the game. More often than not games are decided in the 3rd quarter but i see this one coming down to who has it in them in the last 10 minutes with impact subs playing a key role. I'm hoping like every other Mayo supporter that its our "middle 8" that decides the result of the tie as its the key area in stopping the platform for Kerry attacks and putting us on the front foot where we can get a decent spread of scores. Heres hoping we're still alive and kicking in the championship sunday night!
He certainly does macdanger2 but he has the talent. Perhaps he won't do it this Sunday but he has the ability to compete with the Mayo boys, as does Maher.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2014, 02:38:56 PM
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While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
:o :o :o
You disagree? When SOS and David Moran were in UL together Moran was the star man on the Sigerson team. Although he has had serious injuries since then and SOS has grown into an excellent midfielder I don't think you could say there is a massive difference between a midfield pairing of Maher/Moran and Vaughan/O'Shea.
Mayo played Kerry when these two were U21. SOS & Parsons destroyed Moran and his MF partner for 45 minutes until Walsh was moved out to MF, Kerry broke even after that and won by a pt I think, possibly after et? Moran has a hell.of a lot to prove on Sunday.
I remember that game Mac , if I am right wasn't that the U21 semi-final where Aidan Campbell was dopped or kept on the bench for going out drinking in the run up to the match? 2008 I thinK it was and Kerry went in to beat Kildare that year?
Moran has potential alright but he must be 27 now? If he were to dominate on Sunday it would really kick start his career after all the injuries. I'd normally wish him well, but not on this occasion.....
Was that the same game Crete? I thought that Campbell incident was a year or two later but I couldn't be sure. Has he played for Mayo since??
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 22, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Moran has potential alright but he must be 27 now? If he were to dominate on Sunday it would really kick start his career after all the injuries. I'd normally wish him well, but not on this occasion.....
Was that the same game Crete? I thought that Campbell incident was a year or two later but I couldn't be sure. Has he played for Mayo since??
David was minor in 2006 so is 25/26
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 22, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Moran has potential alright but he must be 27 now? If he were to dominate on Sunday it would really kick start his career after all the injuries. I'd normally wish him well, but not on this occasion.....
Was that the same game Crete? I thought that Campbell incident was a year or two later but I couldn't be sure. Has he played for Mayo since??
Career has been destroyed by injuries, only starting because Sheehan is crocked and Sheehan was hardly a dominating midfielder himself. He has a lot to prove to be able to cope with either O'Shea (they both will be roaming around the middle) or Gibbons if he starts.
Interesting that both counties have named who I would consider their best pure midfielders at CHF.
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 03:46:32 PM
Don't agree Mayo have frozen on the big day, they've lost finals to two of the best teams in the country. I'd be shocked if Mayo flop in any game they play in from now on, if they are good enough they'll win the All Ireland, if they aren't they won't.
Great to see a bit of sense being spoken Zulu, what's rare is wonderful! At least someone has taken a break from cliches and lazy stereotyping.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 22, 2014, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 22, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
Bold selection, even if I think there will be a change or two before the start.
Vaughan is being groomed for MDMA imho. That tells you how the management views the season panning out. I hope they are right. Looking at the Kerry selection, they could be.
Our season really starts on sunday.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Mdma would destroy that pup, Flynn owned him all over the park last year, Cannot wait to see what Mdma would do with him
I can only assume your memory is playing tricks on you squire but here's a quick refresher. Flynn, arguably Dublins best all round footballer, was given the job of minding Vaughan, not the other way around. He did a good job and kept Vaughan quiet but sacrificed his own game and had a quiet final by his standards. I'm actually not Vaughans biggest fan, he has limitations but this just shows the respect he commands in the dublin dressing room. He would match mdma stride for stride if he had to. I just hope after Sunday that's still a problem we need to worry about!
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 22, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
He would match mdma stride for stride if he had to.
In his dreams.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 22, 2014, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
While I can understand why some think Mayo could beat Kerry comprehensively I don't expect that to happen. The Kerry jersey will give the younger players the confidence to perform (as trite as that sounds) and they still have plenty of quality in their team but if I was to pick a team made up of both squads then I think I'd have Hennelly plus four of the Mayo back six, the 8 and 9's on each team are probably about even and I'd have three of the Mayo forward line for sure. So that's 8-10 Mayo players and with the exception of O'Donoghue I think you could also make an argument for 5 Mayo forwards on a joint team, though some of them wouldn't be any better than the Kerry alternative.
:o :o :o
You disagree? When SOS and David Moran were in UL together Moran was the star man on the Sigerson team. Although he has had serious injuries since then and SOS has grown into an excellent midfielder I don't think you could say there is a massive difference between a midfield pairing of Maher/Moran and Vaughan/O'Shea.
Mayo played Kerry when these two were U21. SOS & Parsons destroyed Moran and his MF partner for 45 minutes until Walsh was moved out to MF, Kerry broke even after that and won by a pt I think, possibly after et? Moran has a hell.of a lot to prove on Sunday.
Was at that game in Nenagh. Exaggeration to say Mayo destroyed Kerry in midfield. Mayo were certainly on top in that sector (Parsons was outstanding more so than SOS I recall.) Moran had Alan O'Sullivan who is a forward with him in midfield, but was prominent enough himself without being spectacular. Tommy Walsh, as you say, made a big difference when he came out to midfield. Sadly, he's in Sydney right now.
Thing to remember with Moran is (and I'm guilty of forgetting this myself at times) he wasn't an out and out midfielder even up to minor level. Was half forward for the minor team in 2006 and it was only after that he pushed more into midfield. He played at full forward a lot with UL even. Added to the cruciate injuries and yes, he's been a slow burner. Playing good stuff all through the league this year though and gave an exhibition of fielding against a decent Galway midfield, so we'll see what happens Sunday.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2014, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
I think it s tactical. As I said in earlier post Dec O Sull sitting deep would leave us with a spare defender. As long as we ran the ball and closed him down quick when he was in possession we could limit his influence and he would probably have to go back inside. I think Fitzmaurice is second guessing how we would set up against him and realises that O Sull would not get the time and space he did against Cork and Galway. If I were Fitzmaurice I d try and win the game like this. Actually this is what I think Fitzmaurice is expecting to happen. It s not rocket science. Mayo very predictable.
Isolate O Donoghue and maybe Geaney inside and hope Horan leaves them 1 on 1 with 2 defenders. Horan usually does that so Fitzmaurice would be fairly confident of a couple of goals early on in that scenario.
Everybody knows now that Mayo struggle against teams that get players back. Tyrone, Roscommon, Galway and Cork in the first half we found very hard to break down. Galway didn t do blanket defence too well and Cork were only doing it for the second time and we still had problems. Kerry have a much better defensive game. If we concede early goals we will be trying to run through a brick wall. Turnovers will happen and concede more soft scores on counter attack.
So if we put these 2 scenarios together it is obvious how Kerry can win. I can t see Mayo change their shape at this stage so it is probably going to be down to Kerry forwards taking goal chances that they probably will get early and often.
I don t think the Kerry bench -while impressive - will decide things. Kerry can win this tactically.
When Galway ran straight at them, it was like a knife through butter, Mayo and esp AOS are gon to murder the kerry defence.
25/1 for 16 point plus victory for Mayo. worth a score. It ill pay for the citywest for final weekend.
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Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
I think it s tactical. As I said in earlier post Dec O Sull sitting deep would leave us with a spare defender. As long as we ran the ball and closed him down quick when he was in possession we could limit his influence and he would probably have to go back inside. I think Fitzmaurice is second guessing how we would set up against him and realises that O Sull would not get the time and space he did against Cork and Galway. If I were Fitzmaurice I d try and win the game like this. Actually this is what I think Fitzmaurice is expecting to happen. It s not rocket science. Mayo very predictable.
Isolate O Donoghue and maybe Geaney inside and hope Horan leaves them 1 on 1 with 2 defenders. Horan usually does that so Fitzmaurice would be fairly confident of a couple of goals early on in that scenario.
Everybody knows now that Mayo struggle against teams that get players back. Tyrone, Roscommon, Galway and Cork in the first half we found very hard to break down. Galway didn t do blanket defence too well and Cork were only doing it for the second time and we still had problems. Kerry have a much better defensive game. If we concede early goals we will be trying to run through a brick wall. Turnovers will happen and concede more soft scores on counter attack.
So if we put these 2 scenarios together it is obvious how Kerry can win. I can t see Mayo change their shape at this stage so it is probably going to be down to Kerry forwards taking goal chances that they probably will get early and often.
We still beat these teams at the end of the day. Our better spells against Galway and Cork were while they were still playing defensively, it was when Cork and to a lesser extent Galway reverted to more conventional open play that they caused more problems IMO (our lads giving the Cork backs loads of space in the last quarter to win easy short kick outs didn't help either, especially when we were closing them down earlier in the game) The flaw of playing a predominantly defensive system is that if you don't have either a good running counter attack or a good long range kick passer to exploit any turnover ball your defence wins means the likelihood of getting turned over again as you try to work out of your own half is very high, which is a big part of our game. Eventually the system gets overloaded and breaks appear. This is exactly what Dublin did to Monaghan. Declan O'Sullivan to my mind was the main out player in this Kerry defensive set up, if it's a tactical move it's a big gamble.
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Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
I think it s tactical. As I said in earlier post Dec O Sull sitting deep would leave us with a spare defender. As long as we ran the ball and closed him down quick when he was in possession we could limit his influence and he would probably have to go back inside. I think Fitzmaurice is second guessing how we would set up against him and realises that O Sull would not get the time and space he did against Cork and Galway. If I were Fitzmaurice I d try and win the game like this. Actually this is what I think Fitzmaurice is expecting to happen. It s not rocket science. Mayo very predictable.
Isolate O Donoghue and maybe Geaney inside and hope Horan leaves them 1 on 1 with 2 defenders. Horan usually does that so Fitzmaurice would be fairly confident of a couple of goals early on in that scenario.
Everybody knows now that Mayo struggle against teams that get players back. Tyrone, Roscommon, Galway and Cork in the first half we found very hard to break down. Galway didn t do blanket defence too well and Cork were only doing it for the second time and we still had problems. Kerry have a much better defensive game. If we concede early goals we will be trying to run through a brick wall. Turnovers will happen and concede more soft scores on counter attack.
So if we put these 2 scenarios together it is obvious how Kerry can win. I can t see Mayo change their shape at this stage so it is probably going to be down to Kerry forwards taking goal chances that they probably will get early and often.
We still beat these teams at the end of the day. Our better spells against Galway and Cork were while they were still playing defensively, it was when Cork and to a lesser extent Galway reverted to more conventional open play that they caused more problems IMO (our lads giving the Cork backs loads of space in the last quarter to win easy short kick outs didn't help either, especially when we were closing them down earlier in the game) The flaw of playing a predominantly defensive system is that if you don't have either a good running counter attack or a good long range kick passer to exploit any turnover ball your defence wins means the likelihood of getting turned over again as you try to work out of your own half is very high, which is a big part of our game. Eventually the system gets overloaded and breaks appear. This is exactly what Dublin did to Monaghan. Declan O'Sullivan to my mind was the main out player in this Kerry defensive set up, if it's a tactical move it's a big gamble.
I don t think it s a big gamble. It s practical and Fitzmaurice knows that Mayo are a different kettle of fish than what he s faced so far. As regards beating Cork in the end - well that could have gone the other way and where would we be now? You take that win but you don t repeat the moves that allowed that close finish to happen. That should have been a coasting win.
I take your point about our best periods when Galway and Cork were playing defensively. But when you think about it that s the scary bit. Both Cork and Galway realised that they d be better off going on the offensive. Kerry will have noted that. We leave ourselves exposed at the back and are wasteful with goal chances. What s not to like about that from a Kerry point of view. Our problem as well is not so much about having a long distance kick passer ( we ve loads of counterattacking runners), we don t have many lads that can win ball and play inside. Kerry can make this a battle between the respective full forward lines and full back lines if they think they have the edge there.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
I think it s tactical. As I said in earlier post Dec O Sull sitting deep would leave us with a spare defender. As long as we ran the ball and closed him down quick when he was in possession we could limit his influence and he would probably have to go back inside. I think Fitzmaurice is second guessing how we would set up against him and realises that O Sull would not get the time and space he did against Cork and Galway. If I were Fitzmaurice I d try and win the game like this. Actually this is what I think Fitzmaurice is expecting to happen. It s not rocket science. Mayo very predictable.
Isolate O Donoghue and maybe Geaney inside and hope Horan leaves them 1 on 1 with 2 defenders. Horan usually does that so Fitzmaurice would be fairly confident of a couple of goals early on in that scenario.
Everybody knows now that Mayo struggle against teams that get players back. Tyrone, Roscommon, Galway and Cork in the first half we found very hard to break down. Galway didn t do blanket defence too well and Cork were only doing it for the second time and we still had problems. Kerry have a much better defensive game. If we concede early goals we will be trying to run through a brick wall. Turnovers will happen and concede more soft scores on counter attack.
So if we put these 2 scenarios together it is obvious how Kerry can win. I can t see Mayo change their shape at this stage so it is probably going to be down to Kerry forwards taking goal chances that they probably will get early and often.
We still beat these teams at the end of the day. Our better spells against Galway and Cork were while they were still playing defensively, it was when Cork and to a lesser extent Galway reverted to more conventional open play that they caused more problems IMO (our lads giving the Cork backs loads of space in the last quarter to win easy short kick outs didn't help either, especially when we were closing them down earlier in the game) The flaw of playing a predominantly defensive system is that if you don't have either a good running counter attack or a good long range kick passer to exploit any turnover ball your defence wins means the likelihood of getting turned over again as you try to work out of your own half is very high, which is a big part of our game. Eventually the system gets overloaded and breaks appear. This is exactly what Dublin did to Monaghan. Declan O'Sullivan to my mind was the main out player in this Kerry defensive set up, if it's a tactical move it's a big gamble.
I don t think it s a big gamble. It s practical and Fitzmaurice knows that Mayo are a different kettle of fish than what he s faced so far. As regards beating Cork in the end - well that could have gone the other way and where would we be now? You take that win but you don t repeat the moves that allowed that close finish to happen. That should have been a coasting win.
I take your point about our best periods when Galway and Cork were playing defensively. But when you think about it that s the scary bit. Both Cork and Galway realised that they d be better off going on the offensive. Kerry will have noted that. We leave ourselves exposed at the back and are wasteful with goal chances. What s not to like about that from a Kerry point of view. Our problem as well is not so much about having a long distance kick passer ( we ve loads of counterattacking runners), we don t have many lads that can win ball and play inside. Kerry can make this a battle between the respective full forward lines and full back lines if they think they have the edge there.
In their forward line probably, although our FB has in the past played better and possibly could again Sunday. While I agree with you about our full forward line, (though the long distance kick passer is a factor here also, I've harped on here before about our inability to consistently deliver accurate 30-40 yard kick passes to our inside line) against their back line I'd still give our lads chance. A lot of Kerry supporters, from what I can see aren't too happy with O'Mahony playing full back, they seem to think his best days are behind him. Galway opened them up a few times down the middle in the quarter final, as much as we have problems in our FB line I definitely think the O'Sheas, Vaughan, Keegan, McLoughlin etc could exploit that channel in Kerry's defence.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
25/1 for 16 point plus victory for Mayo. worth a score. It ill pay for the citywest for final weekend.
Mayo should win, but you are taking the piss with this tip, right?....right?
I think David Moran is carrying a shoulder injury all year. Goes to show how stuck kerry are around the middle. DOS wouldnt last the 70 or more so its either start him or impact sub him. Tactics are little to do with it.
Mayo for the burgers
Kerry for the win..
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
25/1 for 16 point plus victory for Mayo. worth a score. It ill pay for the citywest for final weekend.
Mayo should win, but you are taking the piss with this tip, right?....right?
Course he is, sure €20 @ 25/1 only returns 500 profit. You'd need at least a grand for the AI weekend. Stick €50 on just to be safe
If we can get back to last years intensity we will win this and could do a serious number on the Kingdom. If we are sloppy, give Kerry too much room then we won't be in Croke Park in September and this will be another great team that will have failed to bring Sam back. It's as simple and stark as that. My view is that we will dominate the possession stakes, show up the weaknesses in Kerry and prevail by 6/7+. No at all convinced that Fitzmaurice has unearthed players for all the positions vacated and AOM and MOS are shaky in FB line. First 20 mins vital and indeed winning the toss could be important.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/experienced-mayo-s-hunger-can-see-them-through-to-another-final-1.1905315?page=2
Mayo don't want last year's quarter-final decimation of Donegal to be their peak performance of this era. Nor do they want it to come tomorrow. Without Declan O'Sullivan, they shouldn't need it.
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Good first XV. Poor bench as usual. Like Lar I dunno where the optimism is from. Our collapses haven't been adressed. Kerry's bench to win for them.
You didn t get the selection you wanted Farr ;D ;D
It ll be head in hands time again I m afraid - he can hardly use him again can he? Its just cruelty.
While I wouldn t be as pessimistic as you Farr, I can see this go pear shaped. Kerry would be easier to fathom if Dec O Sull was playing quarterback. We would have the luxury of having a covering sweeper and our half backs run the channels. Knowing JH form we ll probably still see our hbs press forward leaving 3 markers on 3 Kerry forwards with acres of space to run into gain possession, turn and take on their men. If that happens we will concede heavily even if we dominate the middle third. In that scenario it wouldn t matter who marks O Donoghue because it looks like no single individual could do so successfully. Cunnifffe should be the man to do it though. Barrett just hasn t played enough to part of a 3 man full back line based on his form v Cork. I think how we set up at the back decides this one. Basically we need to double mark O Donoghue. I d start Gibbons and drop Vaughan back and play 2 inside and run the ball.
I'm betting that we'll see Kerry play far more defensively than they have so far, keep it tight then unload the bench in the last 15-20 mins. Declan O'Sullivan not starting is surprising giving how key he appeared to be to Kerry's tactics v Cork and Galway. Whether it's by design (tactical) or necessity (injury) it does take a major playmaker off the pitch. Their bench does look impressive, and if fit worryingly so. But there does appear to be question marks over Sheehan and Declan O'Sullivan (injuries), Darran O'Sullivan (an outstanding player but is he the same since the hip surgery?) and Donaghy (form). If these factors are correct it's a gamble as to how much impact the Kerry bench could have.
Ourselves, I'm hoping Freeman and Gibbons start, as per the rumours. Mainly because I believe we need some form of forward impact off the bench, be it Andy or Alan. I believe we should be starting one or the other of them but not both. Also, while his form/ confidence hasn't been great so far this year, I think Freeman might pose a problem to the Kerry full back line that they may not have been planning on, especially if O'Mahony starts there. Gibbons coming in would give more mobility around the middle, to get back and help out the full back line. I believe we can win it, but it is going to take what we showed in the third quarter v Cork for a hell of a lot longer than 15 mins.
I think it s tactical. As I said in earlier post Dec O Sull sitting deep would leave us with a spare defender. As long as we ran the ball and closed him down quick when he was in possession we could limit his influence and he would probably have to go back inside. I think Fitzmaurice is second guessing how we would set up against him and realises that O Sull would not get the time and space he did against Cork and Galway. If I were Fitzmaurice I d try and win the game like this. Actually this is what I think Fitzmaurice is expecting to happen. It s not rocket science. Mayo very predictable.
Isolate O Donoghue and maybe Geaney inside and hope Horan leaves them 1 on 1 with 2 defenders. Horan usually does that so Fitzmaurice would be fairly confident of a couple of goals early on in that scenario.
Everybody knows now that Mayo struggle against teams that get players back. Tyrone, Roscommon, Galway and Cork in the first half we found very hard to break down. Galway didn t do blanket defence too well and Cork were only doing it for the second time and we still had problems. Kerry have a much better defensive game. If we concede early goals we will be trying to run through a brick wall. Turnovers will happen and concede more soft scores on counter attack.
So if we put these 2 scenarios together it is obvious how Kerry can win. I can t see Mayo change their shape at this stage so it is probably going to be down to Kerry forwards taking goal chances that they probably will get early and often.
We still beat these teams at the end of the day. Our better spells against Galway and Cork were while they were still playing defensively, it was when Cork and to a lesser extent Galway reverted to more conventional open play that they caused more problems IMO (our lads giving the Cork backs loads of space in the last quarter to win easy short kick outs didn't help either, especially when we were closing them down earlier in the game) The flaw of playing a predominantly defensive system is that if you don't have either a good running counter attack or a good long range kick passer to exploit any turnover ball your defence wins means the likelihood of getting turned over again as you try to work out of your own half is very high, which is a big part of our game. Eventually the system gets overloaded and breaks appear. This is exactly what Dublin did to Monaghan. Declan O'Sullivan to my mind was the main out player in this Kerry defensive set up, if it's a tactical move it's a big gamble.
I don t think it s a big gamble. It s practical and Fitzmaurice knows that Mayo are a different kettle of fish than what he s faced so far. As regards beating Cork in the end - well that could have gone the other way and where would we be now? You take that win but you don t repeat the moves that allowed that close finish to happen. That should have been a coasting win.
I take your point about our best periods when Galway and Cork were playing defensively. But when you think about it that s the scary bit. Both Cork and Galway realised that they d be better off going on the offensive. Kerry will have noted that. We leave ourselves exposed at the back and are wasteful with goal chances. What s not to like about that from a Kerry point of view. Our problem as well is not so much about having a long distance kick passer ( we ve loads of counterattacking runners), we don t have many lads that can win ball and play inside. Kerry can make this a battle between the respective full forward lines and full back lines if they think they have the edge there.
People talk about the psychological effects of all those defeats in finals. I think this is an example of those psychological effects. Mayo fans want a team that's perfect. A team that isn't perfect can be beaten, and them being beaten will break the fans' hearts if they didn't see it coming. Therefore, Mayo people over-analyse the team to see where those Achilles' heels are, to at least cushion the blow when it happens.
And I think of this reading what Moysider wrote here. "That could have gone the other way and where we would we be now?" Any one of the finals lost since 1996 could have gone the other way, and where would we be now? It's a stretch for some of them, but not so much for others. What if Colm Coyle couldn't point from seventy yards out? What if Michael Murphy hadn't scored such a quick goal?
But that's not the way we think. We see the defeats as inevitable but the wins as matters of chance, of lucky escapes, of skin-of-the-teeth jobs. And that's not good analysis. Teams win games for different reasons. Team A might be Team B on Tuesday but lose to them if they played again on Wednesday. Sport is like that. If it wasn't, what would be the point?
Kerry have much more to worry about tomorrow than Mayo, but they worry less because the defeat won't hurt them as much. At this stage, Mayo fans twitch at the very thought of the lash.
The great thing is that Horan has separated his players from that mindset. When the team crashes through, be it this year or another, that mindset will be dealt its mortal blow. If Mayo can then build on that win, the negativity will be gone forever. God hurry the day.
Great post and I agree with you on all points. I don't think Mayo's fullback line is dangerously exposed and even if it is then it's the risk inherent in the high press game that Mayo and Dublin play. A more defensive approach like Donegal's reduces their scoring ability. There is not, nor ever will be, a tactic or style of play that covers all bases equally. I'd be very happy with where Mayo find themselves and they've nothing to fear going into tomorrow. If they play well they should win if they don't they won't. I expect them to perform.
Ahhh will ye dry up and go and do a bit of drinkin, its in the bag , we will beat the kingdom , sin e and ye will still be thinking yer right come monday evenin , twiustin yer posts to suit like all the pundits and journos alike.
Mayo to win it handy.
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Guillem Balague reporting that Di Maria has agreed to join United.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 23, 2014, 07:03:42 PM
Guillem Balague reporting that Di Maria has agreed to join United.
Mayo have no chance now.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 23, 2014, 06:44:48 PM
Ahhh will ye dry up and go and do a bit of drinkin, its in the bag , we will beat the kingdom , sin e and ye will still be thinking yer right come monday evenin , twiustin yer posts to suit like all the pundits and journos alike.
Mayo to win it handy.
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Put the booze down and get a hold off oneself
Best of luck to Mayo in the next chapter of the unending quest tomorrow.
I might even shout for Shairoze or Seamus or Cian or Andy if I'm in a good mood.
Cheers syf
G'man Syf. Safe travelling to all tomorrow as well.
This is a hard one to predict.
Rest assures that Mayo won't run away with. if any team does, I think it would be Kerry. I expect a very close (and hopefully entertaining) game tomorrow.
Remember mayo barely squeaked by Roscommon and Cork and Kerry are much better than either of those teams in my opinion.
Hard one to call - for the record I am hoping for a win for our neighbours but Kerry in cp is never easy
For what it's worth the Longford Marathon will feck up the Longford road the other side of Strokestown. Deadly stuff on a day where everyone is travelling by road..
Best of luck to both teams today and too the fans who have to suffer the rail strikes
Mayo 1-17 Kerry 2-11........................................................ OMahony to see red
Just a preemptive blame of the fecking red jerseys if things go pear shaped today...
Hopefully will have enough..just.
Hard to call. Would hate to see Mayo win this but lose another final. Not sure Mayo fans could hack another one.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
Hard to call. Would hate to see Mayo win this but lose another final. Not sure Mayo fans could hack another one.
No fret.
Mayo fans will all pull together in all kinds of weather where football is concerned.
Best of luck to Mayo. I hope they find their groove this afternoon and take the next step forward.
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2014, 11:29:39 PM
Best of luck to Mayo in the next chapter of the unending quest tomorrow.
I might even shout for Shairoze or Seamus or Cian or Andy if I'm in a good mood.
"might"!!!!! Who are trying to fool, everyone knows you are a wannabe Mayo person
Fair dues to John Casey, very good piece on Sky ;D ;D
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Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
Hard to call. Would hate to see Mayo win this but lose another final. Not sure Mayo fans could hack another one.
No fret.
Mayo fans will all pull together in all kinds of weather where football is concerned.
As will all fans, but another final loss will increase that millstone round Mayo necks.
Mayo 1-16 Kerry 2-14.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 03:08:40 PM
Fair dues to John Casey, very good piece on Sky ;D ;D
That was good :). I'm wary of saying this, but I can't see Kerry win. Mayo by at least 3.
Me too, Mayo with 4 or 5 to spare.
Plus - I've Aidan O'Shea backed to get a goal at anytime at 11/2. Good thing.
Cillian O'Connor with the miss of the season, cant finish into an open goal from about 10 yards. Looking for a penalty, but no foul by the keeper. Frightening lack of composure from someone as experienced as he is. Kerry no.4 getting roasted by O'Connor
Aidan O shea is killing Mayo, losing the ball every time. Kevin McLoughin also playing poorly.
Not a great introduction for Declan O'Sullivan.
Mayo not playing very well but Alan Freeman is not an inter county footballer. A guy who can kick a point if gven time but is entirely unable to win a 50:50 ball or get himself into space.
Tense affair so far, if cillian o Connor is the marquee forward then mayo are in trouble. Awful miss for the goal chance and another free and point chance missed as well. Kerry playing with a blanket defence but not getting any kind of return at all from the 1 or 2 forwards that are in the mayo half of the field .
ref is killing kerry. What is free for for Mayo at one end, is not for kerry at the other. Mayo double marking O'Donoghue. Kerry no other forwards
If mayo get andy moran on they could prosper here. Game is crying out for him.
I've haven't seen 2 more one footed teams this year. Can anyone kick with their left?
Agree, Mayo need Andy Moran now. Mayo forwards are again showing why Mayo haven't won all Ireland.
Keegan bloody idiot. Harsh though !! This will test mayo now !! Come on mayo!
What a clown of a ref >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
About time Keegan got sent off - hes been getting away with that kind of shite for way too long.
How many wides now for mayo, the old disease coming back here! Up against it but they can still win it. Moran has to come on
Wasn't a red in any man's game. If it was then Maher would've walked for shouldering O'Shea in the chest.
Keegan swung the boot and when you do that you leave yourself open to getting red. Very silly boy!
Rules very clear, kick = red card. Stupid stuff from Mayo, no way back now.
Ps. How does Tommy Carr get these gigs despite not even knowing the rules of the game?
Kerry just 1 forward>? well then i fear they got 6 more than Mayo, Mayo weak area was always a couple of out and out frowards, then just dont have them!
Quote from: brianboru00 on August 24, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
About time Keegan got sent off - hes been getting away with that kind of shite for way too long.
Will you go away you clown.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
What a clown of a ref >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Correct decision in his interpretation. Still harsh but you can't do that anymore.
Never a sending off yellow card max and Mayo should have got a penalty when O Connor was through however Kerry the better side and deserve their lead.
That was just a yellow card stupid to do, i doubt the rules makers are going to have a look at what a kick is, try Tommy Carr on Brian Murray 20yr ago, now that a kick!! half these fairies would be half killed with the way fball was played in the 90`s
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:04:20 PM
Agree, Mayo need Andy Moran now. Mayo forwards are again showing why Mayo haven't won all Ireland.
This. Silly me, I gave the mayo forwards more credit than it looks like they deserve. And David Moran is the best midfielder from open play on view.
Silly red card, but mayo are up against it now. If they come through it will finally put to bed all this talk of mental weakness etc.
If they don't, it will be mentioned again, as will their weaknesses up front.
Quote from: Itchy on August 24, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
Rules very clear, kick = red card. Stupid stuff from Mayo, no way back now.
Ps. How does Tommy Carr get these gigs despite not even knowing the rules of the game?
The rules are the same for hurling and there is no way in hell a hurler would have got sent off for that. The rule is there for a reason but you can't end a man's game or reduce a team to 14 for a flick of a leg, this isn't shagging soccer.
Looking bleak now. Keegan is a huge loss. The deficit wasn't anything worthwhile until the sending off. Now four points looks like a bit of a mountain.
Quote from: brianboru00 on August 24, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
About time Keegan got sent off - hes been getting away with that kind of shite for way too long.
Agreed. He new what he was doing. Can't kick out like that.
Vaughan lucky not to get a yellow/black card for his sliding tackle on James O'Donoghue. Mayo really laying into him any chance they get. Be amazed if he lasts the full 70 minutes. No leadership in the Mayo forward line. Only O'Connor willing to have a shot and apart from 1st 10 minutes has offered nothing except miss a few frees
Harsh red within the spirit of the game but under the rules it was correct. The kick was very much at the low end of the spectrum (reminded me of Beckham's on Diego Simeone) but Keegan gave Coldrick the excuse to show red, and it's hard to argue with it really given the letter of the law.
Mayo are doing some very stupid things. Kerry killing them around the middle. O'Connor goal chance a key moment.
Who's yer man?
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Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
What a clown of a ref >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Correct decision in his interpretation. Still harsh but you can't do that anymore.
I agree. When it happened I said to herself, this could be red. If it's a kick or attempted kick it's a red. Very silly thing to do. That said, I've seen that 'interpreted' as a dunt and a yellow card.
Don Walsh got Keggan sent off with his girly antics. Poor decision by Ref. Kerry have a fair old blanket set up.
Yer man on the panel - who he?
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 24, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
Rules very clear, kick = red card. Stupid stuff from Mayo, no way back now.
Ps. How does Tommy Carr get these gigs despite not even knowing the rules of the game?
The rules are the same for hurling and there is no way in hell a hurler would have got sent off for that. The rule is there for a reason but you can't end a man's game or reduce a team to 14 for a flick of a leg, this isn't shagging soccer.
All respect Zulu let hurling look after itself.
Thats a red card he just didn't connect like Mayo in general in the first 35 minutes
Kerry are the better team by far. Mayo choking as usual.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:04:20 PM
Agree, Mayo need Andy Moran now. Mayo forwards are again showing why Mayo haven't won all Ireland.
This. Silly me, I gave the mayo forwards more credit than it looks like they deserve. And David Moran is the best midfielder from open play on view.
Silly red card, but mayo are up against it now. If they come through it will finally put to bed all this talk of mental weakness etc.
If they don't, it will be mentioned again, as will their weaknesses up front.
Mayo don't have forwards, simple as. A few forwards and they'd be genuine All Ireland contenders but yet again they've have been absolutely useless. In saying that I'm surprised at quite how bad they've been and it must be said the Kerry forwards are not much better. Not sure winning this game matters as Dublin, should they get through, will tear these two teams apart.
joke of a red card, game over, thanks ref
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 24, 2014, 04:09:22 PM
Rules very clear, kick = red card. Stupid stuff from Mayo, no way back now.
Ps. How does Tommy Carr get these gigs despite not even knowing the rules of the game?
The rules are the same for hurling and there is no way in hell a hurler would have got sent off for that. The rule is there for a reason but you can't end a man's game or reduce a team to 14 for a flick of a leg, this isn't shagging soccer.
All respect Zulu let hurling look after itself.
Thats a red card he just didn't connect like Mayo in general in the first 35 minutes
Eh??? Hurling has the exact same rules as football so a red should be a red in both codes so what do you mean?
Quote from: Rudi on August 24, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
Keegan got Keegan sent off with his stupid antics. correct decision by Ref. Kerry have a fair old blanket set up.
Fixed that for you.
Not a red lads. If it was then Maher should've walked for the shoulder into O'Sheas chest.
"Your man" is Alan mulholland recent Galway football manager !
Thanks, cicada.
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:04:20 PM
Agree, Mayo need Andy Moran now. Mayo forwards are again showing why Mayo haven't won all Ireland.
This. Silly me, I gave the mayo forwards more credit than it looks like they deserve. And David Moran is the best midfielder from open play on view.
Silly red card, but mayo are up against it now. If they come through it will finally put to bed all this talk of mental weakness etc.
If they don't, it will be mentioned again, as will their weaknesses up front.
Mayo don't have forwards, simple as. A few forwards and they'd be genuine All Ireland contenders but yet again they've have been absolutely useless. In saying that I'm surprised at quite how bad they've been and it must be said they Kerry forwards are not much better. Not sure winning this game matters as Dublin, should they get through, will tear these two teams apart.
Kerry forwards just that bit better movement and smoother striking.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
It's not nonsense. That's the rule.
Quote from: trileacman on August 24, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
Not a red lads. If it was then Maher should've walked for the shoulder into O'Sheas chest.
Connolly walked for less in 2011. If he did that you'd all say it was a red. But because its not a Dub its differen't Hypocrisy
Zulu, I agree with you about Paul early by the way.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
Injured? What are you on about? It's a red card as per the rules.
Coldrick giving a few soft ones to Mayo now. Maybe trying to even it up a bit.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
It's not nonsense. That's the rule.
Of course it's nonsense. Indiana, Connolly should never have seen red for that and I'm quite sure everyone said that at the time.
Answer the point I made, would that have been a red in hurling?
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
Injured? What are you on about? It's a red card as per the rules.
Did you see the full stop? Nonsense refers to your daft comment, the rest is a seperate point about the fact we haven't seen Moran on the Mayo team.
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Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
Injured? What are you on about? It's a red card as per the rules.
Did you see the full stop? Nonsense refers to your daft comment, the rest is a seperate point about the fact we haven't seen Moran on the Mayo team.
Ah dear. Chill out
I don't understand your point Zulu. Would it be a red if he kicked him a bit harder?
Mayo have the winning of this game now.
Fûckin brilliant comeback here by mayo! Fair play to them!! Andy Moran on now, about time!!
At last Mayo showing abit of balls, about time
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Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
A kick , same as a punch is a red card. Stupid by the player but an easy one for the ref.
Nonsense. Is Moran injured? How he isn't on for Freeman is bizarre.
Injured? What are you on about? It's a red card as per the rules.
Did you see the full stop? Nonsense refers to your daft comment, the rest is a seperate point about the fact we haven't seen Moran on the Mayo team.
Ah dear. Chill out
I've to chill out because you can't read?
Who woke Aidan O`Shea up??
As for the red, you do well to get sent off in soccer for that!! still not an overly good kerry team but score with their limlited chances
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Zulu, I agree with you about Paul early by the way.
AZ, please answer my point, should that have been a red card in hurling, a game with the exact same rules? If you apply the rules as per the rule book then most tackles are a free so why do you apply the rule as per wording in this example?
EDIT: Sorry quoted the wrong post AZ. Though yes Earley is an absolute disgrace as a co-commentator, he is genuinely useless.
Kerry's heads are gone. Making some horrendous decisions.
O'Donoghue not taking that goal chance looks like a big turning point now.
Double hop before goal?
Some second half display by 14 man Mayo.
Fair play to Mayo.
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Zulu, I agree with you about Paul early by the way.
AZ, please answer my point, should that have been a red card in hurling, a game with the exact same rules? If you apply the rules as per the rule book then most tackles are a free so why do you apply the rule as per wording in this example?
EDIT: Sorry quoted the wrong post AZ. Though yes Earley is an absolute disgrace as a co-commentator, he is genuinely useless.
That wasn't a tackle, it was a petulant kick out. If a hurler did something similar like maybe grab a lads helmet I'd say he was at risk of a red too.
More like it from mayo. Great heart.
O'Shea leading Mayo to victory, super 2nd half. Kerry have no bench. From the minute O'Donoghue missed the goal chance their heads went. Can't remember the last time a Kerry team self destructed like this
Cillian O'Connor stepping up to the mark but is there anyone else in the forward line? Mayo have huge heart and character and there team 1 to 9 are outstanding, their backs are phenomenal warriors but their forwards are not up to the task.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Zulu, I agree with you about Paul early by the way.
AZ, please answer my point, should that have been a red card in hurling, a game with the exact same rules? If you apply the rules as per the rule book then most tackles are a free so why do you apply the rule as per wording in this example?
EDIT: Sorry quoted the wrong post AZ. Though yes Earley is an absolute disgrace as a co-commentator, he is genuinely useless.
That wasn't a tackle, it was a petulant kick out. If a hurler did something similar like maybe grab a lads helmet I'd say he was at risk of a red too.
Not like a grab of a helmet, a petulant kick, don't change the incident. There is no way, no how, no nothing that would have been a red in hurling.
Holy Cow!!!
oh feck!
Is Tommy Carr the most ill-researched commentator ever?
Doesn't know what is and isn't a black card
Didn't know Donaghy was injured for most of the year
Best possible result for the Dubs!
WOW!
The ole kerry team of 7 or 8 yrs ago would have won this game handy enough, Mayo have a good team but 2 forwards short of been dangerous enough. Kerry have a very inexperienced team and still reply on some of the older guys
Quote from: Zulu on August 24, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Cillian O'Connor stepping up to the mark but is there anyone else in the forward line? Mayo have huge heart and character and there team 1 to 9 are outstanding, their backs are phenomenal warriors but their forwards are not up to the task.
Dillon got 0-4 from play hardly shabby
Fair play to both sides great game.
Almost as good as a game of Hurling...
Great second half.
Replay in Limerick? Limerick?!
Thought O'Donoghue was a bit greedy with that last shot of his, he had a couple of men over
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
The ole kerry team of 7 or 8 yrs ago would have won this game handy enough, Mayo have a good team but 2 forwards short of been dangerous enough. Kerry have a very inexperienced team and still reply on some of the older guys
1 or 2 starters only for the kingdom today that won in 09. A team in serious transition but still making back to back semi finals. You have to hand it to them!
Hawkeye ended up saving Mayo.
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 05:05:06 PM
Almost as good as a game of Hurling...
I know, the wankers.
Some second half. Some atmosphere for 50 odd thousand.
Kerry have missed their chance, mayo will win the replay. Imagine being 4 ahead with an extra man and still not winning. 2 chances to win it in the end and they missed. Not good enough !!
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2014, 05:03:37 PM
WOW!
Indeed! Hard to beat the old football
Not if you listened to Tommy Carr - 'it's as exciting as a game of hurling'. What an utterly unfathomable thing for a football 'pundit' to say.
Somebody get me an ambulance now. That was too much.
Fair play to Mayo. COC, Boyle and Aidan O Se drove them forward. Great display of passion and pride. Fair play also to Kerry for a good fight back. Great catches from the big man. Mayo are in trouble at fullback.
Limerick is no choice for the replay
Quote from: cicfada on August 24, 2014, 05:08:16 PM
Kerry have missed their chance, mayo will win the replay. Imagine being 4 ahead with an extra man and still not winning. 2 chances to win it in the end and they missed. Not good enough !!
You are really overestimating the importance of a red card in GAA Football.
Great finish. Can I be the first to say "the football championship needed that". Great comeback from mayo, but Kerry's old heads on the bench, young, Declan and even star helped keep them afloat.
As for the sending off Zulu, we can leave it alone now, but I've seen soft sendings off in hurling as well, and if the question is would a kick like that be a sending off in hurling, my answer would be the risk is every bit as much there as in football. As in you have every chance of seeing red for it.
Well that was a very enjoyable game. Fair play to Mayo, that was some effort they put into that second half showing plenty of character to turn around that 5 point deficit after losing, in my opinion their best player. What do they have to do though to finish off a Kerry team at Croke Park?
Imagine been ahead by 5pts with 4mins and injury time to go and not win , tuh tuh
A fantastic game marred slightly by the mindless commentary. Would it really be so difficult for them to learn the rules of the game????
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
some match. cant believe replay is in limerick. all-Ireland semis surely have to be in croke park.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
Great character from Mayo after having the man sent off. Obviously Dublin will walk the final and be unbackable etc etc cont p 94
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 05:05:06 PM
Almost as good as a game of Hurling...
Better, as usual.
Indiana you're right, Dillon did do well but who would you take for the Dubs, that's the point?
I hear Peter canavans club in Cavan have a game next Saturday.
Now where will he be if true?
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2014, 05:25:25 PM
Great character from Mayo after having the man sent off. Obviously Dublin will walk the final and be unbackable etc etc cont p 94
f**k off
Brilliant game
No Hawkeye in Limerick next week
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2014, 02:31:50 PM
Mayo by a nose hair Id imagine or even a draw...........................Kerry aren't going to put in a we have been on the beer for the year performance like Donegal last year buckos, Id calm down with your annihilation stuff
Should have put the money were the mouth was, brilliant turnaround by Mayo, some of their fist pumping and looking for players to be booked though is terrible
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
Populist bullshite. But he's entitled to his opinion and he'd have been right if he'd tackled Lyster for taking the status quo line as usual. The only time you ever hear him express an opinion is when a panellist says anything against the official Croke Park line. A joke of a journalist.
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
It is a pity that they clash, and poor planning by the GAA given that the lines on the pitch Saturday will surely be there on Sunday.
All that being said, I'm in croker on Saturday if the ash cloud doesn't stop it going ahead. Am I less of a Gael?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 05:13:29 PM
Great finish. Can I be the first to say "the football championship needed that". Great comeback from mayo, but Kerry's old heads on the bench, young, Declan and even star helped keep them afloat.
As for the sending off Zulu, we can leave it alone now, but I've seen soft sendings off in hurling as well, and if the question is would a kick like that be a sending off in hurling, my answer would be the risk is every bit as much there as in football. As in you have every chance of seeing red for it.
Fair enough AZ but for me that was an awful sending off. Stick Paul Flynn and Bernard Brogan into the Mayo team and they'd be the best team in Ireland. Colm Boyle is my favourite human being and I've never met him him. He's Brian O'Driscoll and Messi in the one body, a legend.
Congrats to both teams
Massive character shown from both
Daylight robbery but we'll take it. We are very limited to be honest. Totally punching above our weight but I'd really fear for us against Dublin if we somehow manage to rob Mayo again.
Sounds to me that Joe Brolly and Marty want to double tag Aidan OSe such are their gushings over him
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2014, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
Populist bullshite. But he's entitled to his opinion and he'd have been right if he'd tackled Lyster for taking the status quo line as usual. The only time you ever hear him express an opinion is when a panellist says anything against the official Croke Park line. A joke of a journalist.
Spot on. The job of a presenter is to encourage debate. Any time the topic looks like its about too veer off into something even mildly contorvesial he kills the debate stone dead, football or hurling. So frustrating to watch. You could almost see the beads on sweat on his forehead when Joe went on his rant (with valid points)
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Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
Aye, American feckin' football. Scheduling that load of shite in Croke Park at the busiest time of the year!
If the Dubs can walk all over Donegal they'll be unbackable and it might just be what Mayo need assuming they can finish the Kerry job with 15 men and mojo on from the throw in.
Having the replay in Limerick will make it a unique one-off occasion. It's no harm to take it out of Croke Park in my view.
Would I be right in saying that Lee Keegan will be eligible for the final if Mayo win the replay, whereas he wouldn't have been had Mayo had won today?
Could end up benefitting them - Ii think Mayo will win the replay as they're a fitter, more powerful and pacier team than Kerry. That second half fightback was truly stirring stuff, although I was certain Kerry were going to win it at the end.
Today's match was a complete emotional rollercoaster, and I'm only from Dublin. Magnificent. Roll on Super Saturday.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Zulu, I agree with you about Paul early by the way.
AZ, please answer my point, should that have been a red card in hurling, a game with the exact same rules? If you apply the rules as per the rule book then most tackles are a free so why do you apply the rule as per wording in this example?
EDIT: Sorry quoted the wrong post AZ. Though yes Earley is an absolute disgrace as a co-commentator, he is genuinely useless.
That wasn't a tackle, it was a petulant kick out. If a hurler did something similar like maybe grab a lads helmet I'd say he was at risk of a red too.
Not like a grab of a helmet, a petulant kick, don't change the incident. There is no way, no how, no nothing that would have been a red in hurling.
Who cares if it was a red card in Hurling?
This is Football.Football.
He kicked.That's a red all day all week and all year.
Every year.Goodnite and god bless Irene.
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Assuming mayo take care of Kerry in the replay they will go in as huge underdogs again assuming that the dubs beat Donegal . I think Donegal could beat Dublin and then it would make mayo favourites . An awful lot of assumptions on my part to be fair . I just think that mayo are better than Kerry at this point. As regards the venue it's a pity that they couldn't have it on sat week though I suspect that the residents would have been the reason for not being able to do that. They couldn't very well move the American football match as it's the only time of year with the college schedule in America that they could do it . It was organised last year as well and if you're going to complain about the college game then you might as well complain about all the concerts held in the venue as well, if you're a real Gael !! Great entertainment today and fair play to both teams , Aidan o Shea man of the match for me.
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Bring it on.
Aidan O'Shea and Colm Boyle deserve All-Stars purely on the basis of their second half performances. Mayo stood up, and then, true to form, stood down again, and boy were they lucky to get the draw in the end.
If Hennelly should have stayed at home for Bernard Brogan's goal in the final last year, he should have come for that ball that Donaghy caught. Mayo just refuse to learn. They have one more chance to learn before they can play Dublin again. They need to take it. They will, in my view, win the replay.
The smaller pitch will also suit Mayo rather Kerry, I think.
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Up your hole you, wasnt long before you had a go at Dublin, the replay venue has absolutely nothing got to do with Dublin Gaa
Náire ar Pháirc an Chrócaigh arís. The embarrassing gombeens of Croke Park have excelled themselves this time. Banishing the warrior heroes of Maigh Eo and Ciarraí out of our national stadium to make way for American Football. Sweet mother of jesus!
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Its posts like that that make me buy a packet of Hamlet cigars on all ireland final evening
Wasn't so long ago that people were saying that teams loved to play against the dubs in Croke park as they felt that the dubs were under such pressure there . Now that Dublin have won a few titles, it's an unfair advantage to them . They haven't won the bloody all Ireland yet I mean . If they win 3 or 4 on a row then maybe people can complain a bit. I mean they are an injury to cluxton or Flynn or Macauley away from now winning the all Ireland . Cluxton in particular is vital to them . Donegal will give them enough of it !!
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
We left Croke Park for the replay in 1983 and got on well enough. Diddums.
There isnt a man who can fist pump the air like Andy Moran when he hits a score
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
no chance.
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
We would have loved a road trip........................its laois men like ONeill who are keeping us their you muldoon to fill their pockets
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
I'd love if we were. And so do most Dublin supporters.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 24, 2014, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
We would have loved a road trip........................its laois men like ONeill who are keeping us their you muldoon to fill their pockets
Always worth paying the extra for the train.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 24, 2014, 06:32:29 PM
There isnt a man who can fist pump the air like Andy Moran when he hits a score
Don't anger Roscommon men, Squire. They're as good at jabbing as D. Brady is at kissing.
Also heard Cake still backed Mayo at HT to comeback on the radio. Mad genius altogether.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Its posts like that that make me buy a packet of Hamlet cigars on all ireland final evening
Smoking isn't healthy and makes you smell disgusting.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 24, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 24, 2014, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 24, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Lyster shitting himself there with a bit of controversy from Brolly, who was bang on the money by the way
What did Joe say?
Saying that the Gaels of Ireland own Croke Park, That it was a disgrace that replay was in Limerick next week due to Croke Park being in use for American Football & that Gaa going down a dangerous road of money dictating everything
Aye, American feckin' football. Scheduling that load of shite in Croke Park at the busiest time of the year!
it is a complete insult to Mayo to ask them to play in Limerick.
Mayo county board sound dig their heels in and show the games scheduling committee for what they are a bunch of incompetent fools.
If the GAA was a corporation, that said committee would be brought in front of the board and promptly fired tomorrow morning.
what have they done this year, moved the Q/finals away from august bank holiday weekend. When Kildare player kicked the ball one foot over the bar at then end of extra time three weeks ago, The GAA were that far away from having to postpone both Q/finals the following week.
If Dublin drew their 1/4 final the replay would have been in Thurles with the muldoon loving Brooks playing his gigs in Croke Park, not our fault we won and the pension fund Brooks couldnt get his act together
Ah come on lads, Limerick is not that rough. Nothing to be afraid of.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 24, 2014, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 24, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 24, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Nothing wrong with Limerick as a venue.Can see some pig ignorant whinging this week. Great game by the way. Venue and time decided before throw in. Whats the problem.
Would the Dubs have been sent down to Limerick.... ;)
We would have loved a road trip........................its laois men like ONeill who are keeping us their you muldoon to fill their pockets
Pardon me awfully old chap but WTF is this supposed to mean? ;D ;D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Ah come on lads, Limerick is not that rough. Nothing to be afraid of.
Mike,
iT is a munster venue. Right. Have Mayo ever played a championship there.
Picked the two most populous towns in each county.
Killarney to Limerick 109 km
Tralee to Limerick 101km
castlebar to limerick 165km
ballina to limerick 195km
Hawkeye not available, maybe not a big factor who knows.
bottom line it should be in Croke Park, no matter who ends up winning.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Its posts like that that make me buy a packet of Hamlet cigars on all ireland final evening
Smoking isn't healthy and makes you smell disgusting.
Smoking isn't healthy, is cool and makes it easier to get talking to interesting people. Interesting people are generally smokers.
Well this colleges game been booked for months, croke park should have foreseen a replay, it would be better to have the game sat week, and give the players a weeks rest, then 2 wks to the final, the problem would arise if dublin and donegal drew next wk, been hard to get a ticket for a double header like that, though it accomodate the die hards who follow the league games
Quote from: joemamas on August 24, 2014, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2014, 06:55:08 PM
Ah come on lads, Limerick is not that rough. Nothing to be afraid of.
Mike,
iT is a munster venue. Right. Have Mayo ever played a championship there.
Picked the two most populous towns in each county.
Killarney to Limerick 109 km
Tralee to Limerick 101km
castlebar to limerick 165km
ballina to limerick 195km
Hawkeye not available, maybe not a big factor who knows.
bottom line it should be in Croke Park, no matter who ends up winning.
It's not as Kerry are regular visitors there either. They've played maybe four matches there in the last decade, all in front of sparse crowds.
Galway played Donegal in a quarter-final replay in Castlebar in 2003, a pitch Galway would have been much more familiar with. Donegal won.
The venue will be no advantage to Kerry.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2014, 07:14:49 PM
Well this colleges game been booked for months, croke park should have foreseen a replay, it would be better to have the game sat week, and give the players a weeks rest, then 2 wks to the final, the problem would arise if dublin and donegal drew next wk, been hard to get a ticket for a double header like that, though it accomodate the die hards who follow the league games
They did foresee a replay, hence the arrangement for Limerick was made, and it isn't the first time such a provision has been made - if Kerry and Meath had drawn in 2001 the replay was down for Thurles.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Its posts like that that make me buy a packet of Hamlet cigars on all ireland final evening
Smoking isn't healthy and makes you smell disgusting.
Tongue in cheek you muppet
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-to-request-rescheduling-of-semi-final-replay-1.1906513
Mayo to request rescheduling of semi-final replay
James Horan unhappy with Limerick as venue after Croke Park draw with Kerry
The Mayo county board will request a postponement of the All-Ireland football semi-final to allow the game to take place in Croke Park.
Kerry and Mayo drew 1-16 apiece at headquarters today but, as it stands, the replay will not be staged there this Saturday because the ground is hosting the 'Croke Park Classic' American football match between University of Central Florida and Penn State.
Mayo want the replay to be postponed until Saturday, September 6th, the day before the senior hurling final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, to allow it to be staged back in Dublin
Luckily Munster are playing the night before, so there won't be a clash there.
But the Limerick Pride march is on.
I think munster are down in Waterford.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 24, 2014, 07:33:11 PM
But the Limerick Pride march is on.
Is that similar to Gay Pride?
How severely traumatised would Kerry be if Mayo of all teams go down to their doorstep and fûck them out of the championship? John B. Keane would have been all over that one.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
How severely traumatised would Kerry be if Mayo of all teams go down to their doorstep and fûck them out of the championship? John B. Keane would have been all over that one.
The GAA's whinging brigade are already all over John B. Keane's "The Field". Joe Brolly will be playing the Bull McCabe in a special one performance at the Gate Theatre next Friday in protest at the Yanks having Croke Park next Saturday.
ballinaman had a good day.
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What a wonderful game today, such a shame theirs not a few more games like that more often,I cant remember enjoying a game as much despite losing a few quid on Mayo they displayed incredible heart as did kerry.
Replay nicely poised with the impact of the bench players crucial today posing big selection dilemmas.
I think Mayo will come on more from today and win the replay and have a very real chance in the final.
Great response from Mayo in second half. However I thought they were going to ground very easy and was disgusted to see O'Shea giving the ref the card sign when he was taken down. Watching too much sky if you ask me. Has Donaghy really being injured all season. Made a huge impact when he came on.
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:31:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
We left Croke Park for the replay in 1983 and got on well enough. Diddums.
Dublin might have been more successful playing all their matches outside Croker over the last 30 years, really.
I thought the team of the early 90s would never win the thing.
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 24, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Great response from Mayo in second half. However I thought they were going to ground very easy and was disgusted to see O'Shea giving the ref the card sign when he was taken down. Watching too much sky if you ask me. Has Donaghy really being injured all season. Made a huge impact when he came on.
Been injured but even when fit he's been second string under Fitz. Caught two meaningful balls, this is his best performance in three years at least but that tells its own story. I think Mayo would be delighted if Kerry started him the next day. I put more weight on three years of looking like a goner than five minutes of looking like a Star.
Great second half to the game and an exciting finish. The first half was terrible though. Bar the Dublin v Monaghan game I thought all 3 quarter finals and this match showed how exciting football can be. Hurling gets better press, and is a great game, but when the best teams get together in football it has so much to offer. Let's hope Donegal put it up to Dublin so that we can have two more great games next week.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 24, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Great response from Mayo in second half. However I thought they were going to ground very easy and was disgusted to see O'Shea giving the ref the card sign when he was taken down. Watching too much sky if you ask me. Has Donaghy really being injured all season. Made a huge impact when he came on.
Been injured but even when fit he's been second string under Fitz. Caught two meaningful balls, this is his best performance in three years at least but that tells its own story. I think Mayo would be delighted if Kerry started him the next day. I put more weight on three years of looking like a goner than five minutes of looking like a Star.
Would you? He doesn't have to run far if they hit him with ball like that and Cafferty ain't going to beat him in the air.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 24, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Great response from Mayo in second half. However I thought they were going to ground very easy and was disgusted to see O'Shea giving the ref the card sign when he was taken down. Watching too much sky if you ask me. Has Donaghy really being injured all season. Made a huge impact when he came on.
Been injured but even when fit he's been second string under Fitz. Caught two meaningful balls, this is his best performance in three years at least but that tells its own story. I think Mayo would be delighted if Kerry started him the next day. I put more weight on three years of looking like a goner than five minutes of looking like a Star.
Would you? He doesn't have to run far if they hit him with ball like that and Cafferty ain't going to beat him in the air.
Kerry haven't shown that consistent aptitude for a long time. Lobbing long balls into Star was their sole tactic of substance to by-pass the Donegal iron curtain in 2012 and it was the saddest, most limited performance I saw that (at one point, truly great) Kerry team produce in many's a moon. The execution was excruciatingly bad. This panel is lesser than that one.
Quote from: drici on August 24, 2014, 07:27:46 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-to-request-rescheduling-of-semi-final-replay-1.1906513
Mayo to request rescheduling of semi-final replay
James Horan unhappy with Limerick as venue after Croke Park draw with Kerry
The Mayo county board will request a postponement of the All-Ireland football semi-final to allow the game to take place in Croke Park.
Kerry and Mayo drew 1-16 apiece at headquarters today but, as it stands, the replay will not be staged there this Saturday because the ground is hosting the 'Croke Park Classic' American football match between University of Central Florida and Penn State.
Mayo want the replay to be postponed until Saturday, September 6th, the day before the senior hurling final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, to allow it to be staged back in Dublin
Predictably, the GAA issued a statement rejecting Mayo, stating that Croke Park is needed for a possible replay of Dublin/Donegal, a possibility that is 22/1, even a 4.5% chance of Dublin needing it trumps the certainty of Mayo needing it.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 24, 2014, 08:53:39 PM
What a wonderful game today, such a shame theirs not a few more games like that more often,I cant remember enjoying a game as much despite losing a few quid on Mayo they displayed incredible heart as did kerry.
Replay nicely poised with the impact of the bench players crucial today posing big selection dilemmas.
I think Mayo will come on more from today and win the replay and have a very real chance in the final.
The best game since Dublin - Kerry in 2013.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: drici on August 24, 2014, 07:27:46 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-to-request-rescheduling-of-semi-final-replay-1.1906513
Mayo to request rescheduling of semi-final replay
James Horan unhappy with Limerick as venue after Croke Park draw with Kerry
The Mayo county board will request a postponement of the All-Ireland football semi-final to allow the game to take place in Croke Park.
Kerry and Mayo drew 1-16 apiece at headquarters today but, as it stands, the replay will not be staged there this Saturday because the ground is hosting the 'Croke Park Classic' American football match between University of Central Florida and Penn State.
Mayo want the replay to be postponed until Saturday, September 6th, the day before the senior hurling final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, to allow it to be staged back in Dublin
Predictably, the GAA issued a statement rejecting Mayo, stating that Croke Park is needed for a possible replay of Dublin/Donegal, a possibility that is 22/1, even a 4.5% chance of Dublin needing it trumps the certainty of Mayo needing it.
What a f**king joke. Mayo v Kerry replay can't be in croker on the off chance that Dublin and Donegal draw!? Pathetic decision
cafferkey was useless under the high ball from the first to the last. He is a very weak link in that mayo defence. If the ball goes right into Star he will do damage.
Donaghy only got the legs for 1st half if even that any more so will be only used as a sub
Quote from: Tubberman on August 24, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2014, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: drici on August 24, 2014, 07:27:46 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-to-request-rescheduling-of-semi-final-replay-1.1906513
Mayo to request rescheduling of semi-final replay
James Horan unhappy with Limerick as venue after Croke Park draw with Kerry
The Mayo county board will request a postponement of the All-Ireland football semi-final to allow the game to take place in Croke Park.
Kerry and Mayo drew 1-16 apiece at headquarters today but, as it stands, the replay will not be staged there this Saturday because the ground is hosting the 'Croke Park Classic' American football match between University of Central Florida and Penn State.
Mayo want the replay to be postponed until Saturday, September 6th, the day before the senior hurling final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, to allow it to be staged back in Dublin
Predictably, the GAA issued a statement rejecting Mayo, stating that Croke Park is needed for a possible replay of Dublin/Donegal, a possibility that is 22/1, even a 4.5% chance of Dublin needing it trumps the certainty of Mayo needing it.
What a f**king joke. Mayo v Kerry replay can't be in croker on the off chance that Dublin and Donegal draw!? Pathetic decision
It is a complete joke, they happily fixed the American Football on that date even though that was the day the first semi final replay was potentially set for.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-to-request-rescheduling-of-semi-final-replay-1.1906513
Mayo to request rescheduling of semi-final replay
James Horan unhappy with Limerick as venue after Croke Park draw with Kerry
The Mayo county board will request a postponement of the All-Ireland football semi-final to allow the game to take place in Croke Park.
Kerry and Mayo drew 1-16 apiece at headquarters today but, as it stands, the replay will not be staged there this Saturday because the ground is hosting the 'Croke Park Classic' American football match between University of Central Florida and Penn State.
Mayo want the replay to be postponed until Saturday, September 6th, the day before the senior hurling final between Kilkenny and Tipperary, to allow it to be staged back in Dublin
Predictably, the GAA issued a statement rejecting Mayo, stating that Croke Park is needed for a possible replay of Dublin/Donegal, a possibility that is 22/1, even a 4.5% chance of Dublin needing it trumps the certainty of Mayo needing it.
What a f**king joke. Mayo v Kerry replay can't be in croker on the off chance that Dublin and Donegal draw!? Pathetic decision
And what would be wrong with a double header of semi-final replays? I would go.
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Ah come on lads, Limerick is not that rough. Nothing to be afraid of.
Mike,
iT is a munster venue. Right. Have Mayo ever played a championship there.
Picked the two most populous towns in each county.
Killarney to Limerick 109 km
Tralee to Limerick 101km
castlebar to limerick 165km
ballina to limerick 195km
Hawkeye not available, maybe not a big factor who knows.
bottom line it should be in Croke Park, no matter who ends up winning.
Killarney to Dublin 303km
Ballina to Dublin 238km
If using distance to quantify, having the replay in Dublin would also be unfair.
Next week is round 1 of the Colleges American Football, so that leaves 16 rounds of matches right up to mid December that Croke Park could have used to host one of these games. Yet they fix it for the busiest time in the GAA calendar, the day before an All Ireland semi final and on the date of a potential semi final replay. It's a massive fcuk up and in my opinion Croke Park should not be rented out between mid August and the end of September.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
Next week is round 1 of the Colleges American Football, so that leaves 16 rounds of matches right up to mid December that Croke Park could have used to host one of these games. Yet they fix it for the busiest time in the GAA calendar, the day before an All Ireland semi final and on the date of a potential semi final replay. It's a massive fcuk up and in my opinion Croke Park should not be rented out between mid August and the end of September.
Colleges want these glamour foreign matches at the beginning of the season so they can concentrate on their seasons. Like a reverse bowl game in reality, games which are played after the regular season is over.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 24, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
Next week is round 1 of the Colleges American Football, so that leaves 16 rounds of matches right up to mid December that Croke Park could have used to host one of these games. Yet they fix it for the busiest time in the GAA calendar, the day before an All Ireland semi final and on the date of a potential semi final replay. It's a massive fcuk up and in my opinion Croke Park should not be rented out between mid August and the end of September.
Colleges want these glamour foreign matches at the beginning of the season so they can concentrate on their seasons. Like a reverse bowl game in reality, games which are played after the regular season is over.
That's all very well but (and I genuinely don't know the answer to this) who wanted the game in Croke Park? Croke Park themselves, the colleges or the NCAA? If it was NCAA then they should be told that August is unacceptable. If the colleges just want a glamour foreign game then they should be told the same and if it was Croke Park then serious questions need to be asked about the management of the stadium.
GAA fixture scheduling/logistics etc is gas. Everybody moans about something.
"It's a joke that players train for six months for one match."
"The back door has ruined the club scene."
"It's a joke that players are told to wait around for six weeks after losing in their provincial championship for a match they don't want to play anyway."
"Dublin need to be taken out of Croke Park. It's completely unfair that they get a home venue for every match."
"Dublin cannot be taken out of Croke Park as the GAA would be neglecting its membership by not maximising its revenue."
"This Tommy Murphy Cup is a farce. Nobody cares about it."
"It's a disgrace that the GAA haven't come up with a meaningful All-Ireland B competition."
"It's a disgrace that the provincial finalists are out again six days after losing."
"It's a joke that the provincial champions have to wait five weeks for their semi-final."
"It's a farce that the Railway Cup is still being played. Nobody cares about it."
"The GAA should hang their heads in shame for the way they've neglected the Railway Cup. This is a competition players want to play in."
"It's ridiculous bringing Kerry and Mayo all the way up to Croke Park for a match that will only attract 25,000."
"It's an insult to Kerry and Mayo bringing them down to Limerick."
"It's ridiculous that dual players are being penalised for playing both hurling and football. These are amateur players and they should be allowed play what they want."
"It's a farce in this day and age that players are trying to play two games at the top level."
"It's a disgrace the way club players are treated in this county."
"It's joke the way the county manager is being messed around by scheduling club fixtures before a championship match."
"It''s a joke that the county championships are put back until September."
"It's not good enough that players aren't allowed play for their country in the International Rules because of a clash with club matches."
"It's a disgrace that a mickey mouse game in International Rules is interfering with club finals."
"It's not good enough that the club championships drag on until St. Patrick's Day, disrupting counties' league campaigns."
"It's terrible that club players will be robbed of the St. Patrick's Day showpiece. Our national finals should be on our national day."
"It's a disgrace that there aren't 10 more weeks in the year. Fooking nature."
Unbelievable balls from that team, testicular fortitude in abundance.
Boyler hopping off JOD when he wouldn't give the ball back was a personal highlight, he'll be feeling that one for a few days...
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In 1983 Pairc Ui Chaoimh got the All-Ireland semi-final replay and there was huge controversy over that. It was one of the greatest ever GAA occasions.
The Croke Park match experience has gone stale for regular match-goers. Next Saturday will be a 49,000 full house in the open air, beer, craic, and hopefully, if the sun shines, it'll be one of the greatest atmospheres we've seen for years.
Perhaps, although Kerry will have played there much more often than Mayo.
Of course, in the discussion about American football and so on the real reason for the game being in Limerick is that the precious Dubs couldn't be asked to leave Croke Park in the event of the a replay, they always play at home, so a move to the following Saturday is out.
Its posts like that that make me buy a packet of Hamlet cigars on all ireland final evening
Smoking isn't healthy and makes you smell disgusting.
Smoking isn't healthy, is cool and makes it easier to get talking to interesting people. Interesting people are generally smokers.
Show me the stats Sidney. I can't believe that.
Fag companies sell fags as cool but I believe the correlation with fascinating conversation is low.
I often pass by people huddled outside office side entrances and have never noticed their allure.
Quote from: Sidney on August 24, 2014, 11:07:26 PM
GAA fixture scheduling/logistics etc is gas. Everybody moans about something.
"It's a joke that players train for six months for one match."
"The back door has ruined the club scene."
"It's a joke that players are told to wait around for six weeks after losing in their provincial championship for a match they don't want to play anyway."
"Dublin need to be taken out of Croke Park. It's completely unfair that they get a home venue for every match."
"Dublin cannot be taken out of Croke Park as the GAA would be neglecting its membership by not maximising its revenue."
"This Tommy Murphy Cup is a farce. Nobody cares about it."
"It's a disgrace that the GAA haven't come up with a meaningful All-Ireland B competition."
"It's a disgrace that the provincial finalists are out again six days after losing."
"It's a joke that the provincial champions have to wait five weeks for their semi-final."
"It's a farce that the Railway Cup is still being played. Nobody cares about it."
"The GAA should hang their heads in shame for the way they've neglected the Railway Cup. This is a competition players want to play in."
"It's ridiculous bringing Kerry and Mayo all the way up to Croke Park for a match that will only attract 25,000."
"It's an insult to Kerry and Mayo bringing them down to Limerick."
"It's ridiculous that dual players are being penalised for playing both hurling and football. These are amateur players and they should be allowed play what they want."
"It's a farce in this day and age that players are trying to play two games at the top level."
"It's a disgrace the way club players are treated in this county."
"It's joke the way the county manager is being messed around by scheduling club fixtures before a championship match."
"It''s a joke that the county championships are put back until September."
"It's not good enough that players aren't allowed play for their country in the International Rules because of a clash with club matches."
"It's a disgrace that a mickey mouse game in International Rules is interfering with club finals."
"It's not good enough that the club championships drag on until St. Patrick's Day, disrupting counties' league campaigns."
"It's terrible that club players will be robbed of the St. Patrick's Day showpiece. Our national finals should be on our national day."
"It's a disgrace that there aren't 10 more weeks in the year. Fooking nature."
As funny as f**king ebola as usual, you think it's acceptable that the penultimate matches of the AIF should be played outside Croke Park.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 24, 2014, 11:20:23 PM
As funny as f**king ebola as usual, you think it's acceptable that the penultimate matches of the AIF should be played outside Croke Park.
Stick to Michael McIntyre, mate.
Kerry in 2nd half didn't seem to know what to do with the extra man. The Kerry keeper kept booming it up the middle. Mayo had a man less and were still able to go short - Much is made of tactical nous of the Kerry team. It wasn't very apparent today.
You're the one trying to model yourself on inane comedians with your moronic posts, tool.
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You're the one trying to model yourself on inane comedians with your moronic posts, tool.
Nobody could be as inane as you, mate.
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You're the one trying to model yourself on inane comedians with your moronic posts, tool.
Nobody could be as inane as you, mate.
Your use of 'mate' just says it all.
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You're the one trying to model yourself on inane comedians with your moronic posts, tool.
Nobody could be as inane as you, mate.
Your use of 'mate' just says it all.
I'm just finishing up my last can here of wifebeater here actually. Where are heading for the big match tomorrow night? Fancy a few pints and then a scrap outside a chipper afterwards?
GAAs provisional Fixture list 2014: http://www.crokepark.ie/CrokePark/files/51/51873bbb-ec84-42e0-8134-5da4fbb452d7.pdf
Fixture List for 2014 as printed in the Irish Independent end of 2013: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gaa-fixtures-2014-29796965.html
Both suggest a replay for either semi final would take place Sept 6th, presumably in Croke Park. They also accomodate for the Croke Park Classic. Wonder where did they change the original plan? ::)
After watching a brilliant game I have to say its sad to see so much negativity from gaa fans. The replay is in limerick and that's it, end of story- both teams knew this before the game today ( I think).
Why can't we celebrate a great game with huge passion and commitment from both sides and look forward to a full house and an intriguing replay instead of resorting to narrow minded comments about American football and player abuse. For me, the best part of today's game was that tactics went out the window and passion, commitment and pride took over in the last 15 minutes.
Fair play to both teams on a brilliant second half- fair play to mayo on overcoming a 4 point deficit at half time to lead by 5 with 4 minutes to go and fair play to Kerry for clawing their way back and almost winning. The glass is half full, let's keep it that way and congratulate both teams on bringing the passion and excitement to a season that was pretty dull up to now to be honest. It should be a cracker in Limerick next week and I don't give a Shute how far it is from anywhere, it will be a full house with a great atmosphere and this is what the championship desperately needed.
Well done to both teams today and congrats to New York ladies on qualifying for the junior final after a convincing win over Derry today
Gaelic grounds pitch didn't look hectic on the Sunday game highlights of the camoige.....
Bastards. I have a wedding to go to next Sat.
Didn't see that but it's normally a great surface.
Mayo are a better team then Kerry. Venue shouldn't matter.
Epic game from both sides today. Huge respect for Mayo's second half comeback. Bottle isn't an issue with this crew.
Kerry getting everything out of themselves and the late subs pegged Mayo back.
Intriguing replay to see who starts for both sides.
Any idea that Gaelic Football isn't anything other then a squad effort went out the window today.
Is it true capacity of the gaelic grounds is < 50,000? And > 53,000 was at todays game? It wouldnt be that unrealistic surely that due to the high tempo game today a similar if not bigger crowd would attend the replay?
People may well be disappointed.
All Ireland Senior Football Semi Finals should be played in GAA HQ IMO, replay 1, 2 or 3.
To say the replay can't be in Croke Park the 6th because they would have no contingency for a draw in the Dublin v Donegal game is a joke. Mayo and Kerry currently need a replay and were the first semi final so should get the date in Croke Park where semi finals should be. On the off chance Dublin and Donegal draw, move them to the Gaelic Grounds as Croke Park will actually be unavailable then - all neutral venues anyway, right? ::)
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Is it true capacity of the gaelic grounds is < 50,000? And > 53,000 was at todays game? It wouldnt be that unrealistic surely that due to the high tempo game today a similar if not bigger crowd would attend the replay?
People may well be disappointed.
All Ireland Senior Football Semi Finals should be played in GAA HQ IMO, replay 1, 2 or 3.
To say the replay can't be in Croke Park the 6th because they would have no contingency for a draw in the Dublin v Donegal game is a joke. Mayo and Kerry currently need a replay and were the first semi final so should get the date in Croke Park where semi finals should be. On the off chance Dublin and Donegal draw, move them to the Gaelic Grounds as Croke Park will actually be unavailable then - all neutral venues anyway, right? ::)
If 52k attended today, a Saturday replay in Croke Park would attract less, in the region of 40-45k max, for two reasons.
i) Replays not involving Dublin tend to attract smaller crowds
ii) Saturday matches generally attract smaller crowds.
Say for instance the 2005 Ulster final at Croke Park. The drawn match on a Sunday attracted 60k. The replay on a Saturday had an attendance of 32k.
The 2004 All-Ireland semi-final drawn match between Mayo and Fermanagh, from memory, attracted a crowd of over 60k. The replay got nowhere near that.
Limerick will be able to cater for the crowd that would have turned up in Croke Park for a Saturday replay.
The last major AI replay (2012 AI hurling final) attracted more people than the original match.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2014, 12:18:33 AM
The last major AI replay (2012 AI hurling final) attracted more people than than original match.
This is not an All-Ireland final.
It's undeniable, based on evidence, that replays not involving Dublin generally attract a lower crowd, especially when played on Saturdays.
Tyrone v Armagh 2005
Mayo v Fermanagh 2004
Clare v Tipp 1999
Waterford v Cork 2010
Waterford v Cork 2007
Any number of Cork v Kerry matches over the last decade, notably the 2008 semi-final for which a paltry combined Cork/Kerry crowd turned up for
When Offaly played Clare in the third match of the 1998 trilogy, there was no moaning over the venue being Thurles. The crowd was below 40k, over 15/16k below capacity.
Limerick will comfortably cater for all who want to attend, and the atmosphere will wipe the floor with that of Croke Park.
Perhaps fix the replay for a week on Saturday at Croke Park maybe at 2pm and provisionally pencil in a Dublin v Donegal replay for Clones on the same day at 4.30pm if required.
You may be right, but theres no way of really knowing the future. I think interest in the fixture is bigger now after todays display.
I still believe All Ireland Semi Finals should be in Croke Park as it is the prime GAA stadium in the country. Mayo and Kerry need a replay. The 6th is an available date at Croke Park, and it is been denied because of the off chance of the other semi final next weekend ending in a draw. If it does, no reason why the contingency plan for them cant be Gaelic Grounds if all teams are to be treated the same.
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
Amazing game(marred only by Tommy Carr's co-commentary, but if it wasn't him it would be would have been Breheny). I can't remember a more exciting game of football.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
It's irrelevant how many turn up to it. The stadium has been booked for that date for well over a year. You can't go back on that agreement six days beforehand.
Dermot Earley talked about having no objection to concerts and other events, as long as they weren't during the championship season. Amazingly enough, the time when you can book outdoor concerts pretty much entirely overlaps with the championship season. One Direction aren't going to want to play in Croke Park in November. Croke Park is a business, whether people like it or not.
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Quote from: Throw ball on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
It's irrelevant how many turn up to it. The stadium has been booked for that date for well over a year. You can't go back on that agreement six days beforehand.
Dermot Earley talked about having no objection to concerts and other events, as long as they weren't during the championship season. Amazingly enough, the time when you can book outdoor concerts pretty much entirely overlaps with the championship season. One Direction aren't going to want to play in Croke Park in November. Croke Park is a business, whether people like it or not.
My point on the American football was just a general question. Still cannot see why the game cannot be played on 6th September. There is nothing scheduled at Croke Park on that date at the minute.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2014, 12:29:06 AM
Perhaps fix the replay for a week on Saturday at Croke Park maybe at 2pm and provisionally pencil in a Dublin v Donegal replay for Clones on the same day at 4.30pm if required.
pencil us in to play on the Aran Islands. We'll still fill the place, have a great day out and won't complain about the result if we lose.
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Quote from: Throw ball on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
It's irrelevant how many turn up to it. The stadium has been booked for that date for well over a year. You can't go back on that agreement six days beforehand.
Dermot Earley talked about having no objection to concerts and other events, as long as they weren't during the championship season. Amazingly enough, the time when you can book outdoor concerts pretty much entirely overlaps with the championship season. One Direction aren't going to want to play in Croke Park in November. Croke Park is a business, whether people like it or not.
Nobody is saying to go back on the agreement with the colleges football. The point is that it shouldn't have been scheduled for the same day as a potential AI semi final in the first place. The likelihood of Dublin v Donegal drawing is fairly low (22/1 in fact) but the prudent nature of the GAA not fixing the Kerry v Mayo replay for a week on Saturday in Croke Park so not to clash with a potential replay is at odds with the less than prudent decision to schedule an event on the date that the first semi final replay could be played.
Rip roaring second half today, and fair play to both teams for coming back at different stages when each could easily have thrown in the towel. Unbelievable second half from Aidan O'Shea, while Cillian O'Connor looked well worth all the hype. Amazing as well to see Donaghy turn back the clock with two superb catches and layoffs. O'Donoghue will be well sick with himself for missing that last opportunity, although Cuniffe (I think) missed a much easier chance for Mayo a few minutes earlier that probably would have been the winning of the game. Kerry are unlikely to find themselves five points ahead with a man extra the next day, and will probably feel they blew their chance, but you never know what can happen.
go play the game in limerick and get over it, dont need to listen to the mayo hordes complaining all week about this, you had held kerry out with a 5pt lead you wouldnt need a replay, good game today but Asal mor say he coudlnt remember a more exciting game, good to know he missed Kerry v Dublin last year
The amusing issue here is the input/opinions of supporters who's counties are no longer involved. As one from 1 of those counties, I'd gladly go to Limerick or wherever, in the aspiration of reaching the AI Final.
The decision regarding a possible replay was known to both sides before throw-in. The GAA aren't Iarinroid Eireann or the Cork County Board, a huff isn't acceptable. It's Limerick, Coldrick is off the case, HQ rules, on a Saturday, on TV, still August, what's not to like....
Quote from: Throw ball on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
If tomorrow never comes
Quote from: Don Corleone on August 25, 2014, 02:49:40 AM
The amusing issue here is the input/opinions of supporters who's counties are no longer involved. As one from 1 of those counties, I'd gladly go to Limerick or wherever, in the aspiration of reaching the AI Final.
The decision regarding a possible replay was known to both sides before throw-in. The GAA aren't Iarinroid Eireann or the Cork County Board, a huff isn't acceptable. It's Limerick, Coldrick is off the case, HQ rules, on a Saturday, on TV, still August, what's not to like....
The matter of me not being able to attend!! ;)
Quote from: Sidney on August 25, 2014, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 AM
Why should the possibility of a replay in the Donegal v Dublin game trump the definite replay between Mayo and Kerry? Surely replay should be on September 6th.
Has anyone any idea how many people will go to this American college game? Surely there aren't 80k who want to watch?
It's irrelevant how many turn up to it. The stadium has been booked for that date for well over a year. You can't go back on that agreement six days beforehand.
Dermot Earley talked about having no objection to concerts and other events, as long as they weren't during the championship season. Amazingly enough, the time when you can book outdoor concerts pretty much entirely overlaps with the championship season. One Direction aren't going to want to play in Croke Park in November. Croke Park is a business, whether people like it or not.
Fair enough Sidney but businesses need to be nice to their customers too. That's called brand management.
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Quote from: Don Corleone on August 25, 2014, 02:49:40 AM
The amusing issue here is the input/opinions of supporters who's counties are no longer involved. As one from 1 of those counties, I'd gladly go to Limerick or wherever, in the aspiration of reaching the AI Final.
The decision regarding a possible replay was known to both sides before throw-in. The GAA aren't Iarinroid Eireann or the Cork County Board, a huff isn't acceptable. It's Limerick, Coldrick is off the case, HQ rules, on a Saturday, on TV, still August, what's not to like....
The matter of me not being able to attend!! ;)
If it's not your wedding.....then you know the right call to make... ::)
Quote from: Don Corleone on August 25, 2014, 02:49:40 AM
The amusing issue here is the input/opinions of supporters who's counties are no longer involved. As one from 1 of those counties, I'd gladly go to Limerick or wherever, in the aspiration of reaching the AI Final.
The decision regarding a possible replay was known to both sides before throw-in. The GAA aren't Iarinroid Eireann or the Cork County Board, a huff isn't acceptable. It's Limerick, Coldrick is off the case, HQ rules, on a Saturday, on TV, still August, what's not to like....
You are easily amused. I personally couldn't care less about Mayo or Kerry fans having to travel to Limerick but I do care about the mismanagement of Croke Park and the ridiculous scheduling of non GAA events during the most important time in the GAA calendar. I don't think that's an issue that's just relevant to the two counties involved.
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
You do know why Connolly's red card was overturned don't you?
Quote from: J70 on August 25, 2014, 02:05:12 AM
Rip roaring second half today, and fair play to both teams for coming back at different stages when each could easily have thrown in the towel. Unbelievable second half from Aidan O'Shea, while Cillian O'Connor looked well worth all the hype.
What hype? Sure Mayo dont have any forwards. HAve you not read the script man?
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
You do know why Connolly's red card was overturned don't you?
Not exactly, just remember him lifting his hands and it being a very harsh sending off but technically correct, same as yesterday. Was there more to it?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2014, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: Don Corleone on August 25, 2014, 02:49:40 AM
The amusing issue here is the input/opinions of supporters who's counties are no longer involved. As one from 1 of those counties, I'd gladly go to Limerick or wherever, in the aspiration of reaching the AI Final.
The decision regarding a possible replay was known to both sides before throw-in. The GAA aren't Iarinroid Eireann or the Cork County Board, a huff isn't acceptable. It's Limerick, Coldrick is off the case, HQ rules, on a Saturday, on TV, still August, what's not to like....
You are easily amused. I personally couldn't care less about Mayo or Kerry fans having to travel to Limerick but I do care about the mismanagement of Croke Park and the ridiculous scheduling of non GAA events during the most important time in the GAA calendar. I don't think that's an issue that's just relevant to the two counties involved.
Joined up thinking is too far too protestant for Ireland. If the GAA want to say in that wonderful phrase that the reality of the situation is that CP is a business maybe they should change the way they publicise the fixtures and how draws are decided. Would it kill them to define at the beginning of the season the procedures in case the big matches (semi finals and finals) end in a draw ?. Or would they not add on extra time and get the fixture complete on day 1 ?
Wheeling out the commercial director of CP to say "that's the why" on TSG the evening of the draw is pathetic. People should know in advance what the story is. There was a similar c**k up in 2012 when the hurling final was drawn.
Last minute wheeling , dealing and spinning is the default.
Sidney said earlier that it's Ireland and people will moan about anything but that is how the system works in Ireland :o.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 24, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Unbelievable balls from that team, testicular fortitude in abundance.
Boyler hopping off JOD when he wouldn't give the ball back was a personal highlight, he'll be feeling that one for a few days...
errr, no...that was a cheap shot in any mans language. There was a lot of that stuff with Mayo when they were on top, the fist pumping, chest beating, in your face carry on etc. It's stupid stuff and looked very silly in light of how the game finished. There was less celebration by Kerry when we scored the goal and the equalizing point than there was by some Mayo players when they scored points with 15 mins left.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
Lookit, just be happy he'll be back for the final.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 24, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Unbelievable balls from that team, testicular fortitude in abundance.
Boyler hopping off JOD when he wouldn't give the ball back was a personal highlight, he'll be feeling that one for a few days...
errr, no...that was a cheap shot in any mans language. There was a lot of that stuff with Mayo when they were on top, the fist pumping, chest beating, in your face carry on etc. It's stupid stuff and looked very silly in light of how the game finished. There was less celebration by Kerry when we scored the goal and the equalizing point than there was by some Mayo players when they scored points with 15 mins left.
Backs against the wall demanded a bit of that guff yesterday in my opinion. If we carried on like the way we did prior to the 2 minutes before half time when Kerry basically took us apart with posession prior to Fitzgerald point, we were toast.
Maybe you prefer us to go quietly into the night ala 04 and 06?
If match was fixed for the 6th the same buckos the following day would be whinging that it is impossible to have tickets distributed for the final with only two weeks to go to the final etc etc . Alternatively if the replay finished in a draw there would be some whinging about playing 3 weeks in a row.
GAA can't win. Imo the GAA had the venue and time arranged before the throw in and everyone knew about it.
Alot of people being disrespectful imo to Limerick ( a great place imo).
Btw the second half yesterday was excellent . Well done to both teams.
Should be a great occasion in Limerick. Great idea to take the big matches around the country when the opportunity arises. Might take a run up the road.
If right was right, this would be on in Tullamore.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 09:43:46 AM
If right was right, this would be on in Tullamore.
Newbridge would be better actually .
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 24, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Unbelievable balls from that team, testicular fortitude in abundance.
Boyler hopping off JOD when he wouldn't give the ball back was a personal highlight, he'll be feeling that one for a few days...
errr, no...that was a cheap shot in any mans language. There was a lot of that stuff with Mayo when they were on top, the fist pumping, chest beating, in your face carry on etc. It's stupid stuff and looked very silly in light of how the game finished. There was less celebration by Kerry when we scored the goal and the equalizing point than there was by some Mayo players when they scored points with 15 mins left.
Backs against the wall demanded a bit of that guff yesterday in my opinion. If we carried on like the way we did prior to the 2 minutes before half time when Kerry basically took us apart with posession prior to Fitzgerald point, we were toast.
Maybe you prefer us to go quietly into the night ala 04 and 06?
04 and 06 are irrelevant except to illustrate that you should stay focussed and press home the advantage when you are on top. If you want to rub a fella like O'Donoghues face in it the way to do it is to keep him scoreless (which Higgins made a very good fist of it must be said).
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
You do know why Connolly's red card was overturned don't you?
Not exactly, just remember him lifting his hands and it being a very harsh sending off but technically correct, same as yesterday. Was there more to it?
Maurice Deegan was as giddy as a schoolgirl sending him off he forget to take his name and jersey number.
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2014, 09:56:28 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I presume Keegan's red car will be overturned the same way Diarmuid Connolly's was in 2011 semi final.
Right?
You do know why Connolly's red card was overturned don't you?
Not exactly, just remember him lifting his hands and it being a very harsh sending off but technically correct, same as yesterday. Was there more to it?
Maurice Deegan was as giddy as a schoolgirl sending him off he forget to take his name and jersey number.
Jeeze, fair enough so. McLoughlin to slot back into 5?
Leaves a hole in the half forward line for a a player who can get up and down the pitch, tackle and kick a point...... 8) ?
Are you putting yourself forward?
Thought Moran and Buckley for Kerry were immense yesterday.......................... amazing how the big unit AOSe gets all the gushings
Moran was excellent in the first half. Best midfielder on show, especially in broken play. Not sure about Buckley to be honest. Aidan O'Sé had a great first 25 minutes of the second half, he dragged Mayo back into it really. Driving at Kerry and taking the game to them. He was quiet in the first half, but it would be churlish to say he wasn't very good in the second.
Andy Moran was very good when he came on too. His movement was great, and started to give Mayo that outlet for the ball delivered in from 30-40 yards.
I'd like to watch it back and count the amount of foot passes over 25 yards that Mayo forwards won, versus the same for Kerry. My gut during the game was saying that Mayo made hay when they ran at Kerry, but apart from a brief period in the second half, the Kerry backs were well on top in the one on one battles. I felt the Kerry forwards movement was better most of the day, and they seemed to win a lot more of that type of pass.
Marc O'Se has been some servant to Kerry. He found the going tough yesterday but still came out with a good few balls and was on the Mayo end line to retrieve a pass for Kerry to find the equaliser.
O'Mahony played well to in that loose role with the help of half forwards dropping back.
Mayo did look like a better unit but Kerry still have a lot of good players. Is Dec O'Sullivan injured ?.
In relation to the venue, surely there will be a far larger Kerry crowd next week to the proximity to Limerick ?.
Looking for a favour here. Can anyone confirm either way whether AOS (I think) double bounced the ball in the lead up to the penalty. Been bugging me since and haven't been able to watch the replay.
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2014, 10:18:14 AM
Marc O'Se has been some servant to Kerry. He found the going tough yesterday but still came out with a good few balls and was on the Mayo end line to retrieve a pass for Kerry to find the equaliser.
O'Mahony played well to in that loose role with the help of half forwards dropping back.
Mayo did look like a better unit but Kerry still have a lot of good players. Is Dec O'Sullivan injured ?.
In relation to the venue, surely there will be a far larger Kerry crowd next week to the proximity to Limerick ?.
Declan O'Sullivanis basically carrying two bad knees. He reminds me of Pat Spillane circa 1986 the way he's patched together. The thought crossed my mind as Mayo stretched away yesterday that this would be the last time we'd see him in a Kerry jersey. He's a great club man, and I think he wants to give Dromid a couple more years. I think this is certainly his last in the Green and Gold.
Did I imagine it or was AOS waving an invisible card yesterday after being brought to ground???
Has Adam Gallagher played any championship football this year? He was very impressive up in Omagh earlier in the year. Had him marked down as one to watch this summer.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on August 25, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
Did I imagine it or was AOS waving an invisible card yesterday after being brought to ground???
He was indeed. He doesn't need to be at that carry on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2014, 10:18:14 AM
Marc O'Se has been some servant to Kerry. He found the going tough yesterday but still came out with a good few balls and was on the Mayo end line to retrieve a pass for Kerry to find the equaliser.
O'Mahony played well to in that loose role with the help of half forwards dropping back.
Mayo did look like a better unit but Kerry still have a lot of good players. Is Dec O'Sullivan injured ?.
In relation to the venue, surely there will be a far larger Kerry crowd next week to the proximity to Limerick ?.
Declan O'Sullivanis basically carrying two bad knees. He reminds me of Pat Spillane circa 1986 the way he's patched together. The thought crossed my mind as Mayo stretched away yesterday that this would be the last time we'd see him in a Kerry jersey. He's a great club man, and I think he wants to give Dromid a couple more years. I think this is certainly his last in the Green and Gold.
Kerry's minor team which they've been talking about look like a serious outfit and there could be a few placements on that team for the likes of Marc, Aodhan and Declan.
QuoteKerry's minor team which they've been talking about look like a serious outfit and there could be a few placements on that team for the likes of Marc, Aodhan and Declan.
Very raw though. Gooch will be back next year which will help, but I think O'Mahoney and Declan will definitely retire. Marc O'Sé might be a question mark too. I think of the All Ireland team in '09, only Marc O'Sé started. That's some turnaround in 5 years.
Kerry v Cork AIF 2009
KERRY: 1 Diarmuid Murphy; 2 Marc Ó Sé, 3 Tommy Griffin, 4 Tom O'Sullivan; 5 Tomás Ó Sé, 6 Mike McCarthy, 7 Killian Young; 8 Darragh Ó Sé, 9 Seamus Scanlon; 10 Paul Galvin, 11 Declan O'Sullivan, 12 Tadhg Kennelly; 13 Colm Cooper, 14 Tommy Walsh, 15 Darran O'Sullivan (capt).
Even if you look at the game v Dublin in 2011, only 4 starters.
Kerry: B Kealy, K Young, M Ó Sé, T O'Sullivan, T Ó Sé, E Brosnan, A O'Mahony, A Maher, K Donaghy (0-02), B Sheehan (0-04, 2f, 1 '45), Darran O'Sullivan, D Walsh, C Cooper (1-03, 2f), Declan O'Sullivan (0-01), K O'Leary.
Fitzmaurice has done well to keep Kerry on the road while bringing in lads like Enright, Murphy, Fitzgerald, Crowley, the Geaneys, O'Donoghue, O'Brien etc etc etc. It's a massive change in fairness.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 10:35:10 AM
QuoteKerry's minor team which they've been talking about look like a serious outfit and there could be a few placements on that team for the likes of Marc, Aodhan and Declan.
Very raw though. Gooch will be back next year which will help, but I think O'Mahoney and Declan will definitely retire. Marc O'Sé might be a question mark too. I think of the All Ireland team in '09, only Marc O'Sé started. That's some turnaround in 5 years.
Kerry v Cork AIF 2009
KERRY: 1 Diarmuid Murphy; 2 Marc Ó Sé, 3 Tommy Griffin, 4 Tom O'Sullivan; 5 Tomás Ó Sé, 6 Mike McCarthy, 7 Killian Young; 8 Darragh Ó Sé, 9 Seamus Scanlon; 10 Paul Galvin, 11 Declan O'Sullivan, 12 Tadhg Kennelly; 13 Colm Cooper, 14 Tommy Walsh, 15 Darran O'Sullivan (capt).
Even if you look at the game v Dublin in 2011, only 4 starters.
Kerry: B Kealy, K Young, M Ó Sé, T O'Sullivan, T Ó Sé, E Brosnan, A O'Mahony, A Maher, K Donaghy (0-02), B Sheehan (0-04, 2f, 1 '45), Darran O'Sullivan, D Walsh, C Cooper (1-03, 2f), Declan O'Sullivan (0-01), K O'Leary.
Fitzmaurice has done well to keep Kerry on the road while bringing in lads like Enright, Murphy, Fitzgerald, Crowley, the Geaneys, O'Donoghue, O'Brien etc etc etc. It's a massive change in fairness.
Massive turnaround and a credit to Kerry management and the lads who have come into the team. All the same Geaney and JOD etc are very decent replacements. Hopefully Cooper will be back but that's not guaranteed and if he does return, he might not have long left in him ( although I wish be could play on forever ) ?.
People might want to have a read of the rule (the Gaelic football rule) rather than writing absolutely laughable tripe about "soccer rules" being the problem.
Massive player is Keegan, back for final if Mayo make it...................................they played better when he was off the park perhaps the same maybe said the next day
This idea that a player can commit a clear red card offence and yet still somehow not deserve to be sent off is absurd.
Who would be a referee with this sort of nonsense pervasive in the stands and the media.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on August 25, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
Did I imagine it or was AOS waving an invisible card yesterday after being brought to ground???
He did indeed, not something I like to see trying to get an opponent booked. Even worse still was Donncha Walsh gesticulating in a kicking manner 3 times yesterday towards the referee to try and get Keegan sent off.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
This idea that a player can commit a clear red card offence and yet still somehow not deserve to be sent off is absurd.
Who would be a referee with this sort of nonsense pervasive in the stands and the media.
Technically the referee was within his rights to send him off, but if he hadn't nobody would have batted an eyelid. His boot never struck Buckley and it wasn't as if he raised his leg with any great force. Compare it to the O'Gara, Burke, Reilly etc incident where there were punches thrown and mouth gouging/biting (whatever way you wish to interpret it) and they don't even stand close comparision. It was a totally disproportionate punishment and it was Donncha Walsh's antics that got Keegan sent off imo.
It was Lee Keegan's kick out that saw him sent off. Donnacha Walsh didn't help the situation, but you can't keep blaming everyone else and I'm sure Lee Keegan wouldn't be blaming someone else either.
I said at the time it might be a red, but I was hoping it would just be a yellow, and it would be interpreted as pushing and shoving. Coldrick obviously saw it and decided to apply the letter of the law.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
This idea that a player can commit a clear red card offence and yet still somehow not deserve to be sent off is absurd.
Who would be a referee with this sort of nonsense pervasive in the stands and the media.
Technically the referee was within his rights to send him off, but if he hadn't nobody would have batted an eyelid. His boot never struck Buckley and it wasn't as if he raised his leg with any great force. Compare it to the O'Gara, Burke, Reilly etc incident where there were punches thrown and mouth gouging/biting (whatever way you wish to interpret it) and they don't even stand close comparision. It was a totally disproportionate punishment and it was Donncha Walsh's antics that got Keegan sent off imo.
It's not the referee's fault it's was 'disproportionate'.
People are always crying about inconsistency. We can't have it both ways.
Quote from: J70 on August 25, 2014, 11:29:53 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
This idea that a player can commit a clear red card offence and yet still somehow not deserve to be sent off is absurd.
Who would be a referee with this sort of nonsense pervasive in the stands and the media.
Technically the referee was within his rights to send him off, but if he hadn't nobody would have batted an eyelid. His boot never struck Buckley and it wasn't as if he raised his leg with any great force. Compare it to the O'Gara, Burke, Reilly etc incident where there were punches thrown and mouth gouging/biting (whatever way you wish to interpret it) and they don't even stand close comparision. It was a totally disproportionate punishment and it was Donncha Walsh's antics that got Keegan sent off imo.
It's not the referee's fault it's was 'disproportionate'.
People are always crying about inconsistency. We can't have it both ways.
True and true. I suppose the problem will be when someone else isn't sent off for something similar. Then the inconsistency will come into it.
To me, Keegan's leg jab looked worse on first viewing than it actually was. I think if Coldrick had the benefit of viewing the replay he would have just given yellow.
I would have said Coldrick was the best ref in the country at the start of the year, but he's had a poor enough season, and yesterday he certainly fell into the trap of favouring the 14 man team.
Draw is probably the best result for both teams. Another competitive game should be excellent preparation for the final. Mayo have the added bonus of Keegan now being available for the final.
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
The question though is did Keegan actually attempt to kick Buckley?
If he was really trying to kick him, he'd hardly have missed
No, he didn't try to kick him.
He just tried to 'leg jab' him. :D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
You are correct, of course. But it is hard to escape the impression that it was 'harsh'. Even if according to the rules it is a perfectly valid decision. The fact that others will get away with it just feeds the harshness aspect.
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2014, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
The question though is did Keegan actually attempt to kick Buckley?
If he was really trying to kick him, he'd hardly have missed
What was he trying to do? He kicked out.
I thought David Coldrick had a fantastic game yesterday, no joke. He was consistent in everything he did.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 11:29:16 AM
It was Lee Keegan's kick out that saw him sent off. Donnacha Walsh didn't help the situation, but you can't keep blaming everyone else and I'm sure Lee Keegan wouldn't be blaming someone else either.
I said at the time it might be a red, but I was hoping it would just be a yellow, and it would be interpreted as pushing and shoving. Coldrick obviously saw it and decided to apply the letter of the law.
By the same token then if he had applied the letter of the law then O'Connor would have had a penalty for the tug on his arm by the Kerry keeper in the first half. However he made the correct decision there imo by not awarding a penalty as contact was minimal.
I thought that was a peno :) But that's because I was a corner forward.
What a rollercoaster yesterday, probably the most unbelievable, unpredictable day yet and thats saying something with Mayo. As good an atmosphere as I've seen too since the day Fermanagh and ourselves beat Tyrone & Armagh in '04.
At half time I thought it was all over, I couldnt see how Mayo could work their high pressing game with a man less, I was envisaging 2011 all over where we'd get to 3/4 points and then it would be tit for tat for the rest of the game, this Mayo team is different, very experienced and a huge appetite for hard work, animals.
Could have won it, could have lost it, I was very relieved at the end, when they got the goal we were dead on our feet. Cunniffes point would have won it but equally and probably more so JOD had two chances and missed both.
Keegan gave the ref no option. What Mayo should be focussing on is the way Donnacha Walsh targetted Keegan, dirty digs all day long, Mayo need to be cuter, top teams face this and cant react.
Kerry went out yesterday and systematically foulded Mayo high up the pitch, forcing us to kick rather than use our running game, that had a huge impact on us in the first half. The second we rode more challenges and just didnt go down to these fouls. Whoever the ref is the next day should be told watch it, not in the press but a quiet word before the match would go a long way.
Coldrick rode us yesterday in the first half, soft frees for Kerry (the one against cunniffe at about 25 mins in particular), outside of the red, second half gave us a lot. Didnt think COC deserved a penalty, thought freeman should have flat out gone down when he was dragged at the start of the second half, instead he got a poor shot away.
Epic performances yesterday by Higgins, Boyler (my MOTM), AOS, Andy and especially Dillon. Good performance too by Horan as well. Subs pretty much all worked, who knew Conroy could run like that? The game was crying out for Feeney but theres no good going over that again.
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 25, 2014, 11:37:28 AM
I thought David Coldrick had a fantastic game yesterday, no joke. He was consistent in everything he did.
I'd agree with that as well apart from the sending off where he should have showed a bit of common sense and produced a yellow card. He got most decisions correct and contributed to the best game of football that we have seen all year.
That was nail-biting stuff. From where I was sat it became obvious that Mayo had burned themselves out by the end and we were very lucky to get away without losing altogether. 6 days is a short enough turnaround to recover for another go.
In a way you'd feel sorry for Freeman and Gibbons who will be scapegoated as there was a general malaise throughout the team in the first half but we'll hopefully see a 70 minute performance the next day or at least a better balanced effort.
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 25, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
Well said Mr. Meath!
And I say all this despite the fact that I'm an honorary Mayo fan.
I thought o Connor slipped for that, no doubt in my mind it was not a penalty.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 25, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
I thought o Connor slipped for that, no doubt in my mind it was not a penalty.
Correct. Never a penalty. I was close to this incident and he was off balance and slipped. He may have been anticipating contact from the keeper.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 25, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If you put the ref in the position where he has to make a decision, the only decision he can make is to give a red card.
That is the sanction for the offence which Keegan committed.
Pointing out other offences from other games where players should have received red cards but didn't, is neither here nor there.
Well said Mr. Meath!
And I say all this despite the fact that I'm an honorary Mayo fan.
We should organise a conference. In Limerick.
Fair enough, I withdraw my 'talking shite' in this instance. I was going by what blast05 said.
'baby kick' :D
Gas really in that the conclusion of the Keegan episode is that he can kick a point on the run from 40m but his attempt (cos we all accept at this stage that he didn't connect with his foot and it was just an 'attempt') to kick an opponent from 12 inches away was a failure..... should certainly be there in the 'Miss-of-the-season category'.
All that kick represented was a 'piss-off punching me and get out of my way and let me get on with it' .... no intent to cause hurt.
And of course Johny Buckley didn't get sent off for the 'baby' punch (obviously the correct decision).
And what i can't fathom is in the context of Keegans red card how anyone could possibly say that COC's missed goal chance was not a penalty. His arm was pulled and contributed to his losing control and ultimately shooting a few inches wide.
As for those moaning about Aidan O'Shea ...... many times during the game i was reminded of when i played U-12 football and we had 1 guy playing who was massive compared to everyone else and could play ball. He wasn't as effective as he should have been though cos everyone on the opposing team was allowed to pull lumps out of him without frees being awarded cos he was so big and strong.
Same with O'Shea yeserday .... consistently fouled every time he tried to carry the ball but never a free given cos he was strong enough to struggle on. Any wonder he was looking for the ref to do something
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
My 'conclusion' to the Lee Keegan incident is that he kicked out, and he gave the referee a decision to make. The referee saw it as an attempted kick, and gave him a red card as prescribed in the rules. It's unfortunate and it certainly seems an unfortunate way to get yourself sent off, but ultimately that's what he did.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
True, but Donnacha Walsh didn't exactly 'brush it off'. I thought he was doing a Kerry Set at one stage showing Coldrick what happened.
Quote from: Chimley on August 25, 2014, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 25, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
I thought o Connor slipped for that, no doubt in my mind it was not a penalty.
Correct. Never a penalty. I was close to this incident and he was off balance and slipped. He may have been anticipating contact from the keeper.
It looked like a self inflicted slip but it wasn't. Just as O'Connor (at an angle) was about to strike the ball, he received a tug on the arm from the goalie causing him to slip. I thought it was a penalty. Although the tug was softish, it was 100% the difference between him striking the ball cleanly and slipping.
I wouldn't write off Kerry just yet and I'd expect a close game in the replay. both teams have their cards and no doubt it will be fascinating to see how they are played next time.
Quote from: Main Street on August 25, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
Quote from: Chimley on August 25, 2014, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 25, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
I thought o Connor slipped for that, no doubt in my mind it was not a penalty.
Correct. Never a penalty. I was close to this incident and he was off balance and slipped. He may have been anticipating contact from the keeper.
it looked like a self inflicted slip but it wasn't.
I wouldn't be so definitive, just as O'Connor (at an angle) was about to strike the ball, he received a tug on the arm from the goalie causing him to slip. I thought it was a penalty. Although the tug was softish, it was 100% the difference between him striking the ball cleanly and slipping.
I wouldn't write off Kerry just yet and I'd expect a close game in the replay. both teams have their cards and no doubt it will be fascinating to see how they are played next time.
I actually agree with this. I said penalty as soon as it happened. It would have looked very soft, but if you get a tug like that as you are preparing to shoot, you can easily 'slip'.
Still have one area of concern after yesterday's game. Our number 3 position. Am I the only one who thought Cafferkey was destroyed by Paul Geaney yesterday. The arrival of Donaghy didn't help matters either. I know Kevin Keane replaced him with a few minutes to go, but I am really worried that all Donaghy has to do is to stand on the edge of the square the whole day long the next day and catch high balls going in on top of him. Massive performance from everyone else.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
Still have one area of concern after yesterday's game. Our number 3 position. Am I the only one who thought Cafferkey was destroyed by Paul Geaney yesterday. The arrival of Donaghy didn't help matters either. I know Kevin Keane replaced him with a few minutes to go, but I am really worried that all Donaghy has to do is to stand on the edge of the square the whole day long the next day and catch high balls going in on top of him. Massive performance from everyone else.
Was poor alright but he was only subbed because he cramped up in the second half, even before the Donaghy catch. Still an excellent FB so there's no need to over-think it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
My 'conclusion' to the Lee Keegan incident is that he kicked out, and he gave the referee a decision to make. The referee saw it as an attempted kick, and gave him a red card as prescribed in the rules. It's unfortunate and it certainly seems an unfortunate way to get yourself sent off, but ultimately that's what he did.
Even though it was only a
kickín, he had to go.
Quote from: blast05 on August 25, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
Gas really in that the conclusion of the Keegan episode is that he can kick a point on the run from 40m but his attempt (cos we all accept at this stage that he didn't connect with his foot and it was just an 'attempt') to kick an opponent from 12 inches away was a failure..... should certainly be there in the 'Miss-of-the-season category'.
All that kick represented was a 'piss-off punching me and get out of my way and let me get on with it' .... no intent to cause hurt.
And of course Johny Buckley didn't get sent off for the 'baby' punch (obviously the correct decision).
And what i can't fathom is in the context of Keegans red card how anyone could possibly say that COC's missed goal chance was not a penalty. His arm was pulled and contributed to his losing control and ultimately shooting a few inches wide.
As for those moaning about Aidan O'Shea ...... many times during the game i was reminded of when i played U-12 football and we had 1 guy playing who was massive compared to everyone else and could play ball. He wasn't as effective as he should have been though cos everyone on the opposing team was allowed to pull lumps out of him without frees being awarded cos he was so big and strong.
Same with O'Shea yeserday .... consistently fouled every time he tried to carry the ball but never a free given cos he was strong enough to struggle on. Any wonder he was looking for the ref to do something
I couldn't disagree with one word of that post. I don't think it was penalty, but in the context of the red card it was, another ref making a balls of a big games, they are the scurage of football
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
Still have one area of concern after yesterday's game. Our number 3 position. Am I the only one who thought Cafferkey was destroyed by Paul Geaney yesterday. The arrival of Donaghy didn't help matters either. I know Kevin Keane replaced him with a few minutes to go, but I am really worried that all Donaghy has to do is to stand on the edge of the square the whole day long the next day and catch high balls going in on top of him. Massive performance from everyone else.
One of the O'Sheas should have been put on Donaghy when he came on, Cafferky was never going to compete with him under high ball, in addition he was injured and should have been hauled off earlier. I'd say Fitzmaurice will be tempted to throw him on much earlier the next day, Horan has a couple of tough calls to make the next day too. Will he go with Gibbons again, he looked well off the pace in that first half. Can we afford to leave Andy off the starting 15, he's great off the bench but he's also a serious man to have on the pitch for throw in.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 25, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
One of the O'Sheas should have been put on Donaghy when he came on, Cafferky was never going to compete with him under high ball, in addition he was injured and should have been hauled off earlier. I'd say Fitzmaurice will be tempted to throw him on much earlier the next day, Horan has a couple of tough calls to make the next day too. Will he go with Gibbons again, he looked well off the pace in that first half. Can we afford to leave Andy off the starting 15, he's great off the bench but he's also a serious man to have on the pitch for throw in.
Lookit, just listen to me.
I'm nearly always right.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
I think Moran would more effective coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes when defenders aren't as fresh.
He has a good football brain, but he needs to be on the field and at his freshest when the game is there to be won.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on August 25, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
One of the O'Sheas should have been put on Donaghy when he came on, Cafferky was never going to compete with him under high ball, in addition he was injured and should have been hauled off earlier. I'd say Fitzmaurice will be tempted to throw him on much earlier the next day, Horan has a couple of tough calls to make the next day too. Will he go with Gibbons again, he looked well off the pace in that first half. Can we afford to leave Andy off the starting 15, he's great off the bench but he's also a serious man to have on the pitch for throw in.
Lookit, just listen to me.
I'm nearly always right.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 22, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
I think Moran would more effective coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes when defenders aren't as fresh.
He has a good football brain, but he needs to be on the field and at his freshest when the game is there to be won.
Thanks for your interest in Mayo football I'll convey that to JH.
I was absolutely fuming with Coldrick yesterday. The two marginal decision in the first half went 100% Kerry's way, COC's pull by the Kerry keeper and the sending off. Then for the entire game Kerry's tactical fouling went unpunished. Yes we got frees, but that is all. Guys like Declan O'Sullivan and Donncha Walsh should not have finished the game, such was their persistant fouling. But Coldrick ignored it all.
On the plus side, what a performance from the 14 men. AOS has incredible heart and dragged us back from the dead, he takes a huge amount of punishment with no protection from referees, yet people still criticise him. COC, Boyle & Dillon were very good but I feel that the lack of a reliable left-footed free-taker is a serious problem.
Feeney should start at 5 the next day. And every time Donncha Walsh deliberately fouls a Mayo player, the other 14 should rush to the ref to highlight it.
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
every bi
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
Every bit as much an attempt to strike as Keegans and under Coldrick Rules he should have walked ,especially as it was after the whistle and designed to agravate the situation . and what do you know it worked !
Well now we know that we have a team of 20 warriors, yesterday has put to bed the daft notion that we were soft, without bottle and fight. This Mayo team reminds me a lot of the Munster team going after their first Heineken Cup, keeping at it year after year until it finally happened. That team was also full of warriors. As for the red card, as Jinxy said earlier, no player should be putting a ref. in the position where he has to make a decision like that. As for Andy Moran, i cant see him starting on Saturday, we have had no proper "impact" subs all year, we have brought on subs who did not change the course of a game the same way other teams can, once Moran came on, the whole team and support got a lift and the players on the pitch got an injection of new confidence and belief, had Moran being on from the start and we were 5 points down in the second half, who would have come off the bench to give us the inspiration that was needed?. There were a lot of leaders yesterday, but Alan Dillon was immense again yesterday, the desire he has for the game and the jersey is something else. Roll on Limerick, there will be nothing soft for us down there, but this team never gives up and as supporters its all we can ask for.
Speaking about Limerick, it is now getting to the "embarrassing" stage for us a county, stop moaning and get on with it, we are not bloody walking to Limerick, not a peep out of Kerry this morning as usual, i was listening to Newstalk earlier, we had some Gallagher gombeen on with Pat Kenny, talking about persecution and Michael Davitt..FFS,
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
I just watched the first half an hour of the second half there at lunch.
Its ridiculous the fouling thats done on AOS. Literally everytime he had the ball he was foulded by two Kerry men, sometimes three. The one where he looks for the card is after Moran fouls him AGAIN, players have to be protected FFS
RE: Donaghy - JH has a full week to think about that. I would imagine that as soon as Star goes in FF then either Barry Moran or SOS will be in on top of him to break the ball.
Other than Cluxton in the league, when was the last time somebody was sent off for kicking/attempting to kick an opponent?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 02:34:47 PM
Other than Cluxton in the league, when was the last time somebody was sent off for kicking/attempting to kick an opponent?
I recall Ciarán Duff in 1983, but that really was a kick.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 02:34:47 PM
Other than Cluxton in the league, when was the last time somebody was sent off for kicking/attempting to kick an opponent?
Cullivan from Cavan had one of the great kicks of all time against Kevin Cassidy in Breffni in 2011.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 25, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Speaking about Limerick, it is now getting to the "embarrassing" stage for us a county, stop moaning and get on with it, we are not bloody walking to Limerick, not a peep out of Kerry this morning as usual, i was listening to Newstalk earlier, we had some Gallagher gombeen on with Pat Kenny, talking about persecution and Michael Davitt..FFS,
Spot on - Mayo need to focus on the replay and drop this sideshow
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
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Every bit as much an attempt to strike as Keegans and under Coldrick Rules he should have walked ,es ;)pecially as it was after the whistle and designed to agravate the situation . and what do you know it worked !
From the GAA rules:
Noting Infractions
1. To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
2.
To use the fist on or around the body of an opponent for the purpose of dispossessing him of the ball.But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2014, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
if Coldrick was actually being consistent Buckley should have been sent off too as punched Keegan. and as yellow card saidm the 'minimal contact for Oc onnors penallty . both would have been harsh but isnt that what we are talking about/
Buckley punched the ball, hardly a red card offense. Glad Buckley just brushed off the kicking incident. A fair few other players would have gone down as if they had been shot.
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Every bit as much an attempt to strike as Keegans and under Coldrick Rules he should have walked ,es ;)pecially as it was after the whistle and designed to agravate the situation . and what do you know it worked !
From the GAA rules:
Noting Infractions
1. To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
2. To use the fist on or around the body of an opponent for the purpose of dispossessing him of the ball.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
The play had stopped, the referee had blown the whistle when he punched the ball into his stomach, therefore he couldn't have been trying to dispossess him of the ball as the game wasnt in progress. Thats what Keegan reacted to, stupidly clearly.
Point is, we just want consistency. Yes, Coldrick was right to send Keegan off under the rules, but if hes going to decide to follow the rules exactly at one part of the game, then why not do so exactly for the entire game? We're either following the rule book or we're not. Is that to be the next technological advancement in Croke Park, a big neon sign that tells us all when the rules are being EXACTLY followed and when they are not?
It would really help keep my blood pressure down if that could be done, thanks lads. sound.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
Yeah, your right of course. What was I thinking. Of course Mayo will now win the replay. They almost won with 14 men so its a definite that they'll win the next day with 15. Football is such a simple game when you get down to it.
What changes will be made in light of Keegans suspension?
Barrett back in with Cunniffe moving out to HB line?
Parsons to start?
I don't know what this Mayo man to man crap's about it was pretty clear to everybody yesterday that they abandoned the man for man thing until Keegan went off. They decided to use a sweeper against O'Donoghue and it backfired as their players were in an alien shape and weren't able to transfer the ball as quickly as they usually do. The sending off was a blessing as it made them revert to their normal game which suited them.
The fact Mayo had expended so much energy getting into a 5 point lead and the introduction of Donaghy tipped the game back in Kerry's favour for the last few minutes. Having said that I would be confident that Mayo will have learned more from the game than Kerry and will win on Saturday. However that will not matter much as they'll be cannon fodder for the Dubs. Mayo struggled to deal with 1 decent Kerry forward yesterday how are they going to plan for Dublin's 6 (10 including Rock, Mannion, Costello, Andrews who will likely come off the bench).
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
Yeah, your right of course. What was I thinking. Of course Mayo will now win the replay. They almost won with 14 men so its a definite that they'll win the next day with 15. Football is such a simple game when you get down to it.
Sounds like the yerras are rattled ;D
Well, I would have thought Feeney was a better HB option than Cunniffe alright but he doesn't seem to be in the mix.
Will Barrett be fit?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 25, 2014, 03:16:47 PM
It was an emotional day and most of us. At half time thought this was the end of this core of this group of players. I have to say i did not enjoy yesterdays game. Relief was my main emotion yesterday. The Keegan sending off at the time had double ramifications. Firstly losing him for the second half and us down to 14 and secondly losing him for the final. The sending off changed the game and despite what people think that the sending off inspired Mayo, I actually believe that Mayo gear up for a big third quarter anyway. This has been the form all year. So I don't think the sending off was the inspiration most think. In fact it shagged out our defense and Left JOD a freer role. I felt we would have definitely won with 15 and so I see it as a chance missed in getting this tie over and done with. That said I am still glad we are still in the Championship.
Gaa referees are gas they make a big decision like yesterday and spend the rest of the game evening things up. Mayo could do whatever they liked in the second half and got most of the marginal decisions. This was no doubt talked about in the dressing room at half time. Kerry like most Kerry teams naturally would see shame in losing to a Mayo team and even more losing to only 14. A sense of fear gripped them in the second half and if it was not for the older heads that were brought on that added more calm than guile for the last 10 minutes they would have lost.
Both teams will be brought on by yesterdays game. Kerry will have to be worried that that they had an extra man for a whole half and Mayo had lost one of it best players. The this is not soccer quote has been thrown about. But the extra man came home to roost when Mayo became tired in closing out the game. Not sure if this was to blame. We had difficulty closing out the Cork game aswell.
Both Managers have shown their hand. Match fitness, Condition and Form of players as well as tactics cannot be faked for the next outing. Both Managers will really know the weak points in each others amour.
Horan gets allot of flack for Mayo people (who have short memories). But yesterday he got allot right. His subs were good. They all added to our performance. Conroy, Andy and Parsons held their own and added to our display yesterday!
Of the two Managers interviewed after the match, Horan looked the more pleased and I'd say the asking for the game to be rescheduled on Saturday week would have been a dream fixture. As the winners would have just 2 weeks until the final and almost a perfect run in! Anyway not to be, so it Limerick here we come.
Ger Cafferky by all accounts signalled to the line that he was injured yesterday but was left on.
That wasn't a good move
Great game yesterday, congrats to both teams. Mayo showed serious bottle to come back in the second half 5 points down and a man down, unbelievable stuff just a pity we couldn't close it out.
For me, AOS was motm, thought he was outstanding when we needed him at the start of the second half. Dillon, Boyle and cillian all excellent as well.
Stupid stuff from keegan to get sent off, harsh enough call though. Walsh didn't cover himself in glory with his carry on after the incident.
Surprised Barry didn't get on yesterday, I would have put him on for SOS after 60 mins.
Looking forward to next Saturday, would have preferred Croker but I think we'll be good enough to see off kerry. Massive improvement needed from whichever team goes through if they're to win an AI.
What was the idea behind leaving Dec O'S on the bench and bringing him on after 20? If he was fit enough for 50 mins, he was surely fit enough to start??
He's not, but I think when O'Brien got hurt, they thought Declan could get on the ball a bit around the middle. I wasn't expecting him to finish.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 25, 2014, 03:16:47 PM
It was an emotional day and most of us. At half time thought this was the end of this core of this group of players. I have to say i did not enjoy yesterdays game. Relief was my main emotion yesterday. The Keegan sending off at the time had double ramifications. Firstly losing him for the second half and us down to 14 and secondly losing him for the final. The sending off changed the game and despite what people think that the sending off inspired Mayo, I actually believe that Mayo gear up for a big third quarter anyway. This has been the form all year. So I don't think the sending off was the inspiration most think. In fact it shagged out our defense and Left JOD a freer role. I felt we would have definitely won with 15 and so I see it as a chance missed in getting this tie over and done with. That said I am still glad we are still in the Championship.
Gaa referees are gas they make a big decision like yesterday and spend the rest of the game evening things up. Mayo could do whatever they liked in the second half and got most of the marginal decisions. This was no doubt talked about in the dressing room at half time. Kerry like most Kerry teams naturally would see shame in losing to a Mayo team and even more losing to only 14. A sense of fear gripped them in the second half and if it was not for the older heads that were brought on that added more calm than guile for the last 10 minutes they would have lost.
Both teams will be brought on by yesterdays game. Kerry will have to be worried that that they had an extra man for a whole half and Mayo had lost one of it best players. The this is not soccer quote has been thrown about. But the extra man came home to roost when Mayo became tired in closing out the game. Not sure if this was to blame. We had difficulty closing out the Cork game aswell.
Both Managers have shown their hand. Match fitness, Condition and Form of players as well as tactics cannot be faked for the next outing. Both Managers will really know the weak points in each others amour.
Horan gets allot of flack for Mayo people (who have short memories). But yesterday he got allot right. His subs were good. They all added to our performance. Conroy, Andy and Parsons held their own and added to our display yesterday!
Of the two Managers interviewed after the match, Horan looked the more pleased and I'd say the asking for the game to be rescheduled on Saturday week would have been a dream fixture. As the winners would have just 2 weeks until the final and almost a perfect run in! Anyway not to be, so it Limerick here we come.
Horan sounded far more upbeat after the match. Great character by the team. Up Mayo.
Didn't realise O'Brien was injured. Will o's start on Saturday??
On the Mayo side, it's hard to see Gibbons starting, either Parsons or Moran to start instead.
When did Judas get the perm?
Savage stuff from the boys yesterday. Wasn't feeling too hopeful at half-time but the way they dug in, especially in the 3rd quarter, was something else.
All in all I felt Coldrick was a bit harsh on us, he may have 'evened' things up a little in the second half but as a few lads have already said, if Keegan was sent off on a technicality then O'Connor definitely should have won a penalty in the first half. Minimal contact has to work both ways, we were on the wrong end of both calls.
Also Kerry's persistant fouling went unchecked all day. I didn't like seeing AOS waving the imaginary card but he gets so little protection and after watching Donnacha Walsh's riverdance audition I can fully see why he did it. He is like a minor playing against 14 year olds and refs seem to thing he's a punching bag and offer him not protection whatsover, just as well he's an ox of a man.
5 points up with 5 to go looks like a throwaway but we were so wrecked at that stage if the game went on any longer we'd have lost so all in all Mayo have to be more relieved with the draw.
I'd be confident enough about the next day now but replays can be surprising. It's always the team that learns the most that wins so if Donaghy was to be thrown in earlier we need to react quicker.
Caff did a great job on him back in 2011 but was shagged by the time he came on yesterday and is also not playing quite as well as 3 years ago. If Donaghy comes on the next day I'd also consider Barry Moran on him and have lads under the breaking ball. I'd only do this if it's late in the game when a lot of shape is lost anyway. If he comes on early in the game I'd still trust Caff. He's getting criticised here for yesterday but he was on a class player and apart from the goal chance (Geaney should have scored), I thought he held him up very well. It is worrying how he is tiring so bad at the end of games now though.
Will Barrett come back in now or maybe he'll leave McLoughlin at wing back and bring in a forward......... did someone say Varley?
It was surprising Freeman started for Mayo, no offense to him. What form has he shown in the championship this year?
Freeman is the sort of lad that could have a big say if he got an early score and settled.
He could also just as easily contribute nothing.
Carr on TSG commenting on coc's penalty shout, "he might have been fouled but he got the advantage and didn't take it". Someone would want to explain the advantage rule to Tom
The man is cat. I watched it on Sky. I can't listen to Tom, the artist formerly known as Tommy, Carr.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 25, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
It was surprising Freeman started for Mayo, no offense to him. What form has he shown in the championship this year?
Had a great league Match against Kerry. Game suited him that day. So it was worth chancing. As Jinxy said he can be hit and miss! But thats the way with allot of inter county forwards?
He has been more miss then hit this year though, very poor against Derry in the League Semi and against Roscommon, poor when introduced against Cork.
He doesn't seem to have the aggression for a top County forward?
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
It was surprising Freeman started for Mayo, no offense to him. What form has he shown in the championship this year?
What chance has he had to have form? Horan seems to treat him like a toy, to be wheeled out on special occasions. Freeman is a confidence player and as he showed last year, the manager sticking with him leaves everyone happy, supporters included. Atrocious ball in to Freeman for most of the game, if the service was good he could have had a field day like he did in the league meeting, which obviously played into Horan's decision. Freeman was also injured by Hennelly in the warm-up of the the Hyde game so coupled with the style of game it's hard to pick out that performance.
It seems a shoot-out between Andy and Freeman for one spot but the best Mayo team right now would have both named.
If he had Andy Morans ball winning ability he would be a very good player,
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 25, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Will Barrett come back in now or maybe he'll leave McLoughlin at wing back and bring in a forward......... did someone say Varley?
Gone from the panel if reports are to be believed
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 25, 2014, 05:06:56 PM
If he had Andy Morans ball winning ability he would be a very good player,
Some of Freeman's catches have been the best I've ever seen. Ros v. Mayo in 2013 he made multiple fingertip overhead catches that not even the best back in the country could do anything with. Always been a bit streaky but last year showed the talent is definitely there but he's on such a short lease with Horan it's not hard to see that it's effected his performances.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 25, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Will Barrett come back in now or maybe he'll leave McLoughlin at wing back and bring in a forward......... did someone say Varley?
Gone from the panel if reports are to be believed
Yeah heard that. Rough on the lad! He has given 4 hard years plus. But thems the calls!
What sort of call was it?! A money one, selection one? Regardless of performance it's incredibly rotten to get rid of a lad right before an AISF in August. Too deep into a season to be dropping players unless they've stepped out of line. He keeps Feeney on the panel and never even uses him..
Looks like Mayo haven't learnt from the Evan Regan issue at all.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on August 25, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Speaking about Limerick, it is now getting to the "embarrassing" stage for us a county, stop moaning and get on with it, we are not bloody walking to Limerick, not a peep out of Kerry this morning as usual, i was listening to Newstalk earlier, we had some Gallagher gombeen on with Pat Kenny, talking about persecution and Michael Davitt..FFS,
I heard that guy and he was a grade A gobshite and national embarrassment.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2014, 05:24:14 PM
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If he had Andy Morans ball winning ability he would be a very good player,
Some of Freeman's catches have been the best I've ever seen. Ros v. Mayo in 2013 he made multiple fingertip overhead catches that not even the best back in the country could do anything with. Always been a bit streaky but last year showed the talent is definitely there but he's on such a short lease with Horan it's not hard to see that it's effected his performances.
I remember that game, Roscommon were very poor on the day in fairness. It wasn't ROC he was marking.
I've seem him play at College level with DIT,he has ability, probaly getting it out of him.
Yeah, awful tough on Varley to be ditched mid season after all he's given.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 25, 2014, 05:31:38 PM
Yeah, awful tough on Varley to be ditched mid season after all he's given.
You mean Horan asked him to leave? I don't think Varley is up to a huge amount at this level but that confirms everything I thought about Horan beforehand.
I don't know what the circumstances around him leaving were tbh whether it was horan or Varley's decision
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As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
Yeah, your right of course. What was I thinking. Of course Mayo will now win the replay. They almost won with 14 men so its a definite that they'll win the next day with 15. Football is such a simple game when you get down to it.
Sounds like the yerras are rattled ;D
No, just puzzled how deluded Mayo people get when they have a half decent result. Did the Donegal result last year not teach you anything ?
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
. And every time Donncha Walsh deliberately fouls a Mayo player, the other 14 should rush to the ref to highlight it.
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Could think of other things I would like to see done to him. Still angry at the animated attempts to get a player from the opposition sent off.
Quote from: Rudi on August 25, 2014, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
. And every time Donncha Walsh deliberately fouls a Mayo player, the other 14 should rush to the ref to highlight it.
Could think of other things I would like to see done to him. Still angry at the animated attempts to get a player from the opposition sent off.
Are you angry at O'Shea waving the imaginary card several times?
I honestly don't get why this would annoy people. Keegan kicked out. It was a red card offense. It was his own fault he got the line. The Kerry players were fully entitled to bring what he did to the referee's attention. Would it have been more acceptable if Walsh had merely shouted at the ref that Keegan had tried to kick Buckley?
Everyone is always going on about sneaky dirty stuff on the field, especially when the referee misses it and the offender does unpunished. If the offender goes unpunished, then the other team is denied a legitimate advantage. If that is the case, what is so wrong with the other team's players making sure the referee knows what happened? Its not like the referee is going to act purely on their word anyway. If Coldrick or his assistants hadn't seen Keegan kick, then he wouldn't have got a red card.
Only end terrace tickets available on Tickets.ie. Are they just not releasing the sideline tickets even on the uncovered side to the public yet?
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/333627/Ticketing_Details_All_Ireland_Senior_Football_Semi_Final_Reply
QuoteThe Mayo - V's - Kerry All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi Final Replay has been fixed for Saturday 30th of August 2014 at The Gaelic Grounds Limerick at 5.00pm
Ticket details as follows:
Clubs
Mackey Stand – (Covered/Seated) Allocated, Numbered Seating – Cairde Mhaigh Eo and Croke Park Season Tickets only 1 ticket per member. We cannot offer a second ticket to members because of the limited capacity of the stand. €30.00 Adults only. OAP/Concession €10.00.
North Stand (Uncovered/Seated) Adults €30.00, U16 - €5.00 Allocated Numbered Seating - Clubs subject to availability, an equal amount to all clubs "pro-rata". Student/OAP concession €10.00.
Terrace – Standing – Adults €20.00, U16 – €5.00 Clubs, overflow from seating in North stand "pro-rata"
It is expected that we will have sufficient levels of tickets for all clubs however with the limited capacity we cannot give any guarantees regarding this fixture. As you will appreciate this is a new ground for us all.
Please have your club orders with us by 6.00pm tomorrow evening at the very latest.
Distribution
South and East Clubs – Wednesday evening at Claremorris GAA Club from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
North and West Clubs – Thurdsday evening at Elverys MacHale Park from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
Cairde Mhaigh Eo
Mackey Stand – Covered Seating - €30.00 One ticket per Cairde Mhaigh Eo Member
Wednesday 27th August 9.30am to 5.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Thursday 28th of August 9.30am to 6.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Phone Orders for members outside the County, Wednesday only.
As stated one ticket per member for the Mackey Stand.
North Stand (Uncovered) €30.00 Adults, €5.00 U-16s Student/OAP concession €10.00.
We hope to have additional tickets available for the North Stand for Cairde Mhaigh Eo members subject to availability but as stated the Mackey Stand is one ticket per member.
Great. Those of us outside of the counties involved are left to the terraces either end of the field as available online or in Supervalu. Having the semi final in this venue gets better and better.
Wouldnt miss it anyway. :-\
Quote from: Goin Down on August 25, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/333627/Ticketing_Details_All_Ireland_Senior_Football_Semi_Final_Reply
QuoteThe Mayo - V's - Kerry All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi Final Replay has been fixed for Saturday 30th of August 2014 at The Gaelic Grounds Limerick at 5.00pm
Ticket details as follows:
Clubs
Mackey Stand – (Covered/Seated) Allocated, Numbered Seating – Cairde Mhaigh Eo and Croke Park Season Tickets only 1 ticket per member. We cannot offer a second ticket to members because of the limited capacity of the stand. €30.00 Adults only. OAP/Concession €10.00.
North Stand (Uncovered/Seated) Adults €30.00, U16 - €5.00 Allocated Numbered Seating - Clubs subject to availability, an equal amount to all clubs "pro-rata". Student/OAP concession €10.00.
Terrace – Standing – Adults €20.00, U16 – €5.00 Clubs, overflow from seating in North stand "pro-rata"
It is expected that we will have sufficient levels of tickets for all clubs however with the limited capacity we cannot give any guarantees regarding this fixture. As you will appreciate this is a new ground for us all.
Please have your club orders with us by 6.00pm tomorrow evening at the very latest.
Distribution
South and East Clubs – Wednesday evening at Claremorris GAA Club from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
North and West Clubs – Thurdsday evening at Elverys MacHale Park from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
Cairde Mhaigh Eo
Mackey Stand – Covered Seating - €30.00 One ticket per Cairde Mhaigh Eo Member
Wednesday 27th August 9.30am to 5.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Thursday 28th of August 9.30am to 6.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Phone Orders for members outside the County, Wednesday only.
As stated one ticket per member for the Mackey Stand.
North Stand (Uncovered) €30.00 Adults, €5.00 U-16s Student/OAP concession €10.00.
We hope to have additional tickets available for the North Stand for Cairde Mhaigh Eo members subject to availability but as stated the Mackey Stand is one ticket per member.
Great. Those of us outside of the counties involved are left to the terraces either end of the field as available online or in Supervalu. Having the semi final in this venue gets better and better.
Wouldnt miss it anyway. :-\
Well of course supporters from the competing counties get preference. It would be ridiculous if it was any other way.
Think there's a bit of mis information re Varley. He wasn't named in the 26 but I did see him on the team bus as it passed me in Drumcondra.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 25, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: Goin Down on August 25, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/333627/Ticketing_Details_All_Ireland_Senior_Football_Semi_Final_Reply
QuoteThe Mayo - V's - Kerry All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi Final Replay has been fixed for Saturday 30th of August 2014 at The Gaelic Grounds Limerick at 5.00pm
Ticket details as follows:
Clubs
Mackey Stand – (Covered/Seated) Allocated, Numbered Seating – Cairde Mhaigh Eo and Croke Park Season Tickets only 1 ticket per member. We cannot offer a second ticket to members because of the limited capacity of the stand. €30.00 Adults only. OAP/Concession €10.00.
North Stand (Uncovered/Seated) Adults €30.00, U16 - €5.00 Allocated Numbered Seating - Clubs subject to availability, an equal amount to all clubs "pro-rata". Student/OAP concession €10.00.
Terrace – Standing – Adults €20.00, U16 – €5.00 Clubs, overflow from seating in North stand "pro-rata"
It is expected that we will have sufficient levels of tickets for all clubs however with the limited capacity we cannot give any guarantees regarding this fixture. As you will appreciate this is a new ground for us all.
Please have your club orders with us by 6.00pm tomorrow evening at the very latest.
Distribution
South and East Clubs – Wednesday evening at Claremorris GAA Club from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
North and West Clubs – Thurdsday evening at Elverys MacHale Park from 6.00pm to 8.00pm.
Cairde Mhaigh Eo
Mackey Stand – Covered Seating - €30.00 One ticket per Cairde Mhaigh Eo Member
Wednesday 27th August 9.30am to 5.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Thursday 28th of August 9.30am to 6.00pm at Office of Elverys MacHale Park
Phone Orders for members outside the County, Wednesday only.
As stated one ticket per member for the Mackey Stand.
North Stand (Uncovered) €30.00 Adults, €5.00 U-16s Student/OAP concession €10.00.
We hope to have additional tickets available for the North Stand for Cairde Mhaigh Eo members subject to availability but as stated the Mackey Stand is one ticket per member.
Great. Those of us outside of the counties involved are left to the terraces either end of the field as available online or in Supervalu. Having the semi final in this venue gets better and better.
Wouldnt miss it anyway. :-\
Well of course supporters from the competing counties get preference. It would be ridiculous if it was any other way.
I can walk into Super Valu in Ballagh with my best Mayo accent and I'll still get End tickets. The GAA must be making a point about where the town is.
Anyone notice a dodgy point by kerry mid-way thru 2nd half? Hawkeye wasnt called upon.
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Eh....isn't any Donegal v Dublin replay pencilled in for that date?
Is there a reason I'm missing that in the event Dublin and Donegal draw the Kerry/Mayo replay couldn't be played on the same day - one at 2pm and one at 7pm?
Should allow time for the ground to be cleared prior to second game?
Yes on the sat i meant. I think the newstalk lads did say that if dublin donegal has a double draw then you still have a fixture pileup. Anyhow i hope we play better down there than we did the last time in the region. I remember we just got past tipp in ennis years back.
Fair play to the lads yesterday they were magic. We should haver the extra fitness reserves to conquer the quick turnaround. Looking forward to hitting a few old haunts in limerick like mickey martins, the locke and buddies.
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
So obvious that it would destroy the travel plans of thousands of people coming from abroad. You don't move the date of a final of a major sporting competition at such short notice. The GAA did this in 1985 and it was a major mistake.
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
He's head of media relations not a voluntary member of CCCC
Why would you postpone the final when lots of people already have flights booked home for it?
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
He's head of media relations not a voluntary member of CCCC
Why would you postpone the final when lots of people already have flights booked home for it?
Are the Dubs that confident? ;)
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Both teams knew the state of play in the event of a draw beforehand. Horan to me complains about everything.
One should do a time analysis how much time his players waste during the game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Both teams knew the state of play in the event of a draw beforehand. Horan to me complains about everything.
One should do a time analysis how much time his players waste during the game.
Just because someone tells you they are going to punch you in the face, doesn't make it right when they do. I'm sure neither team where really thinking about the draw until it happened. The fact remains that it's a monumental fcuk up to schedule an American Football game for the date that is pencilled in for a potential AI semi final. All Ireland semi finals should be in Croke Park, games like this is what the stadium was built for ffs.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
He's head of media relations not a voluntary member of CCCC
Why would you postpone the final when lots of people already have flights booked home for it?
Are the Dubs that confident? ;)
All the Mayo builders from Queens & Southie have the flights full!
Sure everyone knows the Dubs don't need to emigrate
For years I've heard people given out on message boards about all quarter and semis being in croke park. The following reasons were given:
Further away for counties to travel therefore costing more on diesel
Dublin is a dearer day out
Lack of atmosphere in a half full stadium
Not using other good stadiums that are closer to the counties and get no big games
Now we have a case where a game that would only attract around 40,000 has been brought to a stadium closer to both counties with a packed stadium creating a great atmosphere and everyone is going mad about it. Both counties supporters should be embracing a great day out and another shot at an all Ireland final.
It's typical gaa that one of the best sporting encounters of the year has been subject to more negative coverage over something stupid than the game. I for one can't wait for the replay and it being in limerick creates something new and exciting.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 09:50:44 PM
For years I've heard people given out on message boards about all quarter and semis being in croke park. The following reasons were given:
Further away for counties to travel therefore costing more on diesel
Dublin is a dearer day out
Lack of atmosphere in a half full stadium
Not using other good stadiums that are closer to the counties and get no big games
Now we have a case where a game that would only attract around 40,000 has been brought to a stadium closer to both counties with a packed stadium creating a great atmosphere and everyone is going mad about it. Both counties supporters should be embracing a great day out and another shot at an all Ireland final.
It's typical gaa that one of the best sporting encounters of the year has been subject to more negative coverage over something stupid than the game. I for one can't wait for the replay and it being in limerick creates something new and exciting.
All the negative comments could easily have been avoided if the powers at be in Croke Park had displayed a bit of foresight in their planning. By the way, throw up a few examples there of posts where people complained about AI semi finals being played at Croke Park.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Both teams knew the state of play in the event of a draw beforehand. Horan to me complains about everything.
One should do a time analysis how much time his players waste during the game.
Off you go then, analyse away. Did you listen to what he said? bizarre decision he said and it is. He said it once, the Mayo county board objected, objection rejected and the Mayo CB then issued a statement saying they didnt agree with the statement but would accept it. That was all done and dusted last night. Since then there hasnt been a word out of James Horan or the team, as one would expect. Mayo people are complaining but who the f*ck would blame us? Kerry would be too if it didnt suit them. If Pearse Stadium was certified for its 2011 attendance number and the game was there, do you think Eamon Fitzmaurice and the Kerry county board wouldnt be complaining?
The least the brains trust could have come up with was to put it in Semple Stadium. Completely neutral for both teams, bigger capacity and a reasonable distance from both counties. Saying Limerick is neutral is like one of those supposed neutral French venues that Irish teams have to play Heineken Cup semi finals in against French opposition.
All this debacle needs now is for one of the teams to lose because of a point that was waved wide which the TV shows after was a point.
I predict that game will be delayed 15 minutes because of crowd congestion, its a pain of the arse of a place to get into when full or nearly full, which it rarely is because there are never any significant games there. This will probably help pay off the mortgage while the dollars role in up in Dublin.
Winner winner chicken dinner for O'Neill. Although more chicken dinners are the last thing the fat f*cker needs
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
i don't see why extra time couldn't be played and if level after that, then go to a replay.The introduction of extra time was precisely in response to avoid for all the angst that happens when a drawn game automatically goes to a replay. Going automatically to a replay (imo) is primarily financially motivated, a scam of sorts to milk the fans just a bit more.
Quote from: Main Street on August 25, 2014, 10:03:42 PM
i don't see why extra time couldn't be played and if level after that, then go to a replay.The introduction of extra time was precisely in response to avoid for all the angst that happens when a drawn game automatically goes to a replay. Going automatically to a replay (imo) is primarily financially motivated, a scam of sorts to milk the fans just a bit more.
I agree. Especially if the replay is on somewhere than Croker.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
The problem is we don't want to travel to Limerick.
Is that ok with you?
As much as I love Mayo, Aidan O'Shea is starting to irk me.
Remember the embarrassing play-acting in the semi last year. This year the imaginary card waving. He'll be biting people next and wearing sarongs.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
The problem is we don't want to travel to Limerick.
Is that ok with you?
Where are you prepared to travel to? Clones?
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2014, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
The problem is we don't want to travel to Limerick.
Is that ok with you?
Where are you prepared to travel to? Clones?
For a match against Kerry?
Croke Park is where we play All-Ireland semi-finals in the Gaa.
3 lads hanging out of him all game is equally annoying for the mayo supporter ONeill..
Re: Gaelic grounds....absolute kip. Was at Munster hurling final last year. Traffic jams in Claregalway and Clarinbridge will be atrocious.
I'm going to West terrace/Clare end, slightly easier from the Ennis road. The stand is a kip, rake is terrible, not steep at all. View is awful.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
There is unreal demand in Mayo for tickets already. Add in the fact that Limerick is far more accessible for the Kerry crowd means that demand could well exceed supply. Add in also that no seated tickets have gone on sale so tough luck if you're bringing a child or for elderly patrons.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 10:12:31 PM
3 lads hanging out of him all game is equally annoying for the mayo supporter ONeill..
Re: Gaelic grounds....absolute kip. Was at Munster hurling final last year. Traffic jams in Claregalway and Clarinbridge will be atrocious.
I'm going to West terrace/Clare end, slightly easier from the Ennis road. The stand is a kip, rake is terrible, not steep at all. View is awful.
Always found the Gaelic Grounds a grand stadium to get to coming from Galway direction. Located just off the motorway on the north of the city. Plenty of places to park. Can be back in the car and up the motorway again in no time.
Far prefer it to driving to Thurles anyway. Crap roads there and back and traffic jams in and out.
I caught the tail-end of an interview with Tomás Ó'Sé on some TV channel or other this evening. Tomas wasn't happy with the selection of Limerick for the replay either and he said most Kerry people felt the same way but he finished off by saying that nothing could be done about it; there was a game to be played and that had to be the main consideration at this stage.
Fair play to him, there's nothing to be gained by bitching about the venue now.
From a Mayo point of view, I'm a bit concerned that any grousing at this stage may interfere with the team's preparations. I think every Mayo fan on this board and everywhere else should shut up about the venue and get behind the lads to the exclusion of everything else.
It's Limerick so frig the begrudgers, I'll be there and if we get the right result, the venue that was used won't matter one little bit.
We had a superb match on Sunday and I expect a classic on Saturday next. Mayo will need 100% effort and above all else, total concentration from beginning to end to prevail.
Let's get behind the team, concentrate on the positives and with a bit of luck, we'll have Leroy where he belongs- centre stage in Croke Park on the 21st of September.
Couple of big decisions for Horan for Saturday,
Who replaces Keegan? Barrett is the obvious choice, mchale might be another option, feeney unlikely
Who plays MF with sos? Gibbons, Parsons or Barry?
Who starts FF? Andy or freeman?
For me it'd be Barrett, Barry & freeman
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 10:12:31 PM
3 lads hanging out of him all game is equally annoying for the mayo supporter ONeill..
Yea but sure our Sean is the same but you wouldn't find him at that stuff.
Mayo need to cut out the card waving.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 25, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
Couple of big decisions for Horan for Saturday,
Who replaces Keegan? Barrett is the obvious choice, mchale might be another option, feeney unlikely
Who plays MF with sos? Gibbons, Parsons or Barry?
Who starts FF? Andy or freeman?
For me it'd be Barrett, Barry & freeman
I'd go for Richie, Barry and Freeman.
But I would guess JH will go for Barrett, Parsons and Freeman.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
Joking right? You have to be.
I spent 6 miles on road last Sunday. Next Sat. it could be anywhere between 8-10. Limerick is probably more accessible from Belfast than Ballina and defo Belmullet! We re not crows. This is not about straight line distance. Crows don t have to fly through Tuam, Claregalway, and Claranbridge. These places are 'mares at the best of times. The roads are cat and the only way is drive. There are no trains. There s skeletons of men found sitting in cars in these towns regularly because of delays!
I m trying to decide to go by boat or car >: (The problem is not the venue ( although the pitch looked rough last night. Wonder will the goals re-sodded for this - they were just dirt). The location for us is a nightmare. Thurles or even Kilkenny would probably be handier.
I think limerick is a grand venue. It could be in worse places. If ye could delay the throw in that would be great because it'll give me a bit more time to get from croker after the game to a pub to watch it.
Did Donaghy throw the ball for O'Donoghue's goal?
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
I think limerick is a grand venue. It could be in worse places. If ye could delay the throw in that would be great because it'll give me a bit more time to get from croker after the game to a pub to watch it.
+1. Limerick is the perfect venue for anybody living in Leinster or Munster. The only places it doesn t suit is Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim, Donegal and most Ulster counties.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on August 25, 2014, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 25, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Moran i think.
Milton from the cccccc was on newstalk bullshitting about the fixtures. His excuse for not going ahead in a fortnight was in case that match was a draw which would leave a week rest for the winners before the final. Of course the dopes never stated the obvious solution which woukd be to push back the final date in that circumstance. The newstalk lads went easy enough on him. They must be afraid he wont reappear on their show if they cross examined him correctly. Then again parkinson is so in love with himself id say he forgets whats going on.
Both teams knew the state of play in the event of a draw beforehand. Horan to me complains about everything.
One should do a time analysis how much time his players waste during the game.
Off you go then, analyse away. Did you listen to what he said? bizarre decision he said and it is. He said it once, the Mayo county board objected, objection rejected and the Mayo CB then issued a statement saying they didnt agree with the statement but would accept it. That was all done and dusted last night. Since then there hasnt been a word out of James Horan or the team, as one would expect. Mayo people are complaining but who the f*ck would blame us? Kerry would be too if it didnt suit them. If Pearse Stadium was certified for its 2011 attendance number and the game was there, do you think Eamon Fitzmaurice and the Kerry county board wouldnt be complaining?
The least the brains trust could have come up with was to put it in Semple Stadium. Completely neutral for both teams, bigger capacity and a reasonable distance from both counties. Saying Limerick is neutral is like one of those supposed neutral French venues that Irish teams have to play Heineken Cup semi finals in against French opposition.
All this debacle needs now is for one of the teams to lose because of a point that was waved wide which the TV shows after was a point.
I predict that game will be delayed 15 minutes because of crowd congestion, its a pain of the arse of a place to get into when full or nearly full, which it rarely is because there are never any significant games there. This will probably help pay off the mortgage while the dollars role in up in Dublin.
Winner winner chicken dinner for O'Neill. Although more chicken dinners are the last thing the fat f*cker needs
Mayo are a significantly bigger and better conditioned unit then Kerry. The Gaelic Grounds is 8m shorter and 6m narrower. Perfect for the power game.
So let go the emotion and look at things properly. If you did you might actually actually win that AI. Kerry have played 2 championship games in Limerick in 10 years. Hardly a home venue
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Jeez muppet. I understand the disappointment of it not being in Croke park, but ye are going on like limerick is in a different country. It's not that bad.
I still think we let it slip :(
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Jeez muppet. I understand the disappointment of it not being in Croke park, but ye are going on like limerick is in a different country. It's not that bad.
I'm looking forward to it and the game.
We've lots to build on but so do Kerry. It'll be fascinating and down to the wire again.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Jeez muppet. I understand the disappointment of it not being in Croke park, but ye are going on like limerick is in a different country. It's not that bad.
I will be fine. I may even make a night out of it. ;D
But then I won't be one of the ones driving from Mayo.
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2014, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 25, 2014, 10:02:46 PM
It wouldn't take that long. Just look at some of the cork Kerry threads from a years ago for example. There's been other Kerry games too where there's been complaints given the crowd and travel distance. Also I'm sure people where saying croke park wasn't best place for this years quarter finals.
Limerick is closer to both counties and will accommodate the crowd. What's the big issue?
. Thurles or even Kilkenny would probably be handier.
I've been in Thurles many many times watching the hurlers and I doubt you would find anyone in Galway that prefers going there than to Limerick. There is a motorway down to virtually the gates of the Gaelic grounds. The road to Thurles coming from Galway direction is diabolical.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
I still think we let it slip :(
We better start looking for final tickets so. Heard the Dubs will be tough to beat..
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
I still think we let it slip :(
We better start looking for final tickets so. Heard the Dubs will be tough to beat..
Try get them down to limerick.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2014, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 25, 2014, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
I still think we let it slip :(
We better start looking for final tickets so. Heard the Dubs will be tough to beat..
Try get them down to limerick.
Great shout..I'll start making calls tomorrow.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Just make sure you are out of there before nightfall and you'll be grand.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
It will certainly be an adventure.
Just make sure you are out of there before nightfall and you'll be grand.
I had many a good nightfall in Limerick. It's the sunrise that was the problem.
Mayo supporters will be there in huge numbers and in huge voice.
But there's not a bit of harm in letting the GAA head honchos in Croke Park know that we're not happy with the handling of this - it's been a shambles in a year of f**k ups from them.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 25, 2014, 11:27:47 PM
Mayo supporters will be there in huge numbers and in huge voice.
But there's not a bit of harm in letting the GAA head honchos in Croke Park know that we're not happy with the handling of this - it's been a shambles in a year of f**k ups from them.
That sums it up well. We'll be grand and everyone will get on with it but the men in suits need to know that this hasn't gone down well with either county (there seems to be a case of short-term memory loss with people or else they didn't hear Fitzmaurice express his confusion and disappointment with the decision).
The journey to Dublin is definitely easier for most of us. With all due respect to our Galway neighbours, most of you don't have to pass through Tuam or claregalway etc and I haven't seen galway hurlers fill the Gaelic grounds lately. It will be packed on Saturday as the sun may shine and some kerry fans might bother their holes to go to this one as it's beside them. We as usual will travel in big numbers.
The Mayo squad are getting on with it as we immediately heard from Cillian in his post match interview, that's the main thing. So what if the fans do a bit of whinging, no point changing the habit of a lifetime now!
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2014, 10:08:35 PM
As much as I love Mayo, Aidan O'Shea is starting to irk me.
Remember the embarrassing play-acting in the semi last year. This year the imaginary card waving. He'll be biting people next and wearing sarongs.
You must have loved Donnacha Walsh's little jig to help get keegan sent off so, don't know how buckley is still walking! I agree it's not the best form to do it but as I've said in an earlier post, he was finding it near impossible to win frees with fellas hanging out of him. I hope the ref wises up to this cynical Kerry play the next day and allows Mayo to play it's naive, expressive brand of football, the way it's meant to be.
Alright the last bit was in jest but Kerry are as cynical a team as you will meet and they get away with so much of it because of this holier than thou image they've built up. A smarter ref than coldrick would have spotted the constant fouling and slowing down of play and not assumed Mayo are the only ones capable of the dark arts.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
I still think we let it slip :(
Of course we did. Colm Boyle s expression said it all at the end. Boyler will do it all again despite the disappointment and the rest as well will too, to have any chance in Limerick. The game is in Limerick and getting there and back is going to be a nightmare but we re well used to those.
I m surprised by the upbeat nature of some Mayo fans and the nod that some neutrals are giving us for replay.
I was fearing a bit before Sunday and I think the replay is Kerry s to lose. I know I ll be accused of over analysing again but f**k it.
All the good things we did have already been covered and I go along completely with that. We had a heroic performance for half and hour. But the rest? I was expecting a bit of a peak but the first half had all that was wrong with us all year. Turnovers killed us again.
The response in second half was something I never saw coming at ht. 5 points up with a few minutes ago should have been enough though. I feel the lads that got us in that position were let down. Before the Kerry goal I was screaming into a brother s ear that we needed to drop either Aidan or Seamie back on Donaghy. It might not be a Corinthian approach but no shame trying to close out a 5 point lead with just minutes to go. Caff - who hasn t been right all year anyway - may as well have been in a chair by then. The line has a lot to deal with I know but I can t imagine Donaghy being allowed to do that against anybody else. 8 years on I couldn t believe that was allowed happen again.
Donegal - well McGee would probably cope anyway but Murphy would be back there if he was needed.
Dublin - O Carroll would deal with it.
Cork- Cadogan would be dismembering him.
Tyrone never had a problem with him.
Keegan sending off. Silly by Keegan and harsh by can t really complain. He had a similar petulant moment with Cregg v Ros and got away with it. Kerry would have noted that and got the reaction. Even Walsh's reaction looked choreographed and while I m sure it was out of character for Walsh, wasshameful. But Keegan s problem for reacting. But we still have a lot to learn about ruthlessness and doing what ever it takes to get a top opponent sent off and keeping our own on the field.
I ve already commented on the location of the replay. I ll just say that some of us have been pouring over maps. We ve come up with pincer journeys to Limerick that Guderian would be proud of. Limerick via Athlone is not being ruled out.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
Not sure I'd agree it's Kerry's to lose. To my mind our poor first half showing was down to us setting up in a way completely at odds to how we've been playing for the last 2-3 years. We actually didn't defend that badly in that period, but our attacks just didn't cut it in the second quarter. Playing 2 men inside needs a consistently good long kick passing game which we haven't had for a while. When we started running in the first half we still held numbers back which ended up with AOS, McLoughlin and one or two others carrying into the Kerry blanket and getting turned over or taking shots from bad positions under pressure. Result being we only converted 5 out of 12 scoring chances in the first half.
Its strange but the pattern of Sundays game wasn't a million miles away from the Cork game. Lethargic first half, struggling to deal with opposition defensive tactics, up the tempo in the second half, establish a healthy lead. then drop off toward the end allowing the opposition to come back at us. The only difference was that against Cork we were level with them at half time as opposed to being 4 points down, going out to 5 just after the re start. Our second half surge then came and we basically engineered a 10 point turnaround to lead by 5 with 5 minutes to go. Coughing up that lead was disappointing and Donaghy should/could have been dealt with better. My point being we played our high tempo game for a longer period than the Cork game, Kerry couldn't cope with it and we notched up 1-11 in one half which is impressive going. If we can sort out our first half performance issues I reckon we'll be be in a pretty good place.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
That s a disgraceful comment to make. The condescending little ****.
Croke Park is a tough day for a lot of counties. But at least there is a consistency there. The last AI semi outside Dublin was in 83? Frank Murphy was powerful enough to get/suggest replay in Caoimh. Dubs called bluff and handed Cork their arses.
But this is completely different. This is a p**h*k of the highest order. The lack of respect/ savvy there is beyond belief.
The **** should be more worried a obout football teams that don't have any spells - the bollix
He might look at the Hurling too.
I think Mayo people are right to highlight what a disgrace this is. It won't have any impact on the team's preparation but the guys making the decisions in Croke Park need to get some heat about this. It's no harm to keep the storm going.
Liam O'Neill's comments are typical of his approach. We should all just sit at our desks and be good little boys and girls.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
That is very poor.
Mayo and Kerry- will you go outside please and play with your toys . We have Americans visiting the house in a few minutes and we don't want any children around. You'll understand when you are older. That's the why.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
Not nice. You never know though, all the head honchos seem agin us. It would be a bit of motivation. Up Mayo and f**k the headmen!
After the game on Sunday, is it fair to say JOD isn't good enough yet to be considered in the same category as Gooch?? He fluffed a 2 on 1 goal chance by blazing it over the bar and then missed a handy point at the end which hit the outside of the post. If he had scored either, Kerry would be in the final. He's still a class player and 1-3 from play in an AISF but if he's measured against the best, he's not quite there yet.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 26, 2014, 07:44:42 AM
After the game on Sunday, is it fair to say JOD isn't good enough yet to be considered in the same category as Gooch?? He fluffed a 2 on 1 goal chance by blazing it over the bar and then missed a handy point at the end which hit the outside of the post. If he had scored either, Kerry would be in the final. He's still a class player and 1-3 from play in an AISF but if he's measured against the best, he's not quite there yet.
Gooch is up there with the very greatest players of all time. It should take more than a few flurries in the Munster Championship to be considered in the same category.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
O'Neill is wrong and he knows that he is wrong, all his bluster is not helping his cause.
Much better to listen to Thomas O'Shea, he is the only one being honest here.
Mayo and Kerry have to go to Limerick, if it was Mayo v Donegal in the same situation they wouldn't be playing in Croke Park either. It would be the same if it was Kerry v Donegal but if it was any of those teams v Dubl$n there'd be zero chance they'd be playing anywhere else but Croke Park.
The boys in HQ have once again proven that money is far more important to them than the needs and wants of ordinary GAA men and women.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 26, 2014, 07:44:42 AM
After the game on Sunday, is it fair to say JOD isn't good enough yet to be considered in the same category as Gooch?? He fluffed a 2 on 1 goal chance by blazing it over the bar and then missed a handy point at the end which hit the outside of the post. If he had scored either, Kerry would be in the final. He's still a class player and 1-3 from play in an AISF but if he's measured against the best, he's not quite there yet.
This is a bizarre post. I thought O'Donoghue was superb on Sunday. 1-3 from play even though he was tightly shackled by the excellent Keith Higgins and with Mayo double teaming him by dropping a sweeper in front. He showed and won nearly every ball that came his way despite shipping plenty of heavy tackles in the process. I personally think he enhanced his reputation on Sunday. As if great players have never missed opportunities from time to time. Of course he hasn't been around long enough to compare to Gooch, but to make that assessment after his performance on Sunday as if he fluffed his lines completely is just unfair.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Personally I think the Mayo fans we are looking at this all wrong.
Treat it like a bit of an adventure.
FYP
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/o-neill-rules-out-moving-venue-for-semi-final-replay-1.1907466)
"I'm sure that Mayo are long enough in the game at this level to know that it's in their best interests to get on with it and play the game and qualify for the final and hopefully, for them, end their barren spell."
How patronising does that sound?
Pretty close to this
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0401/606068-oneill-denies-comments-were-insulting/
He added: "Paraic Duffy and I are as conservative and traditional as you will get in the GAA. We are looking at a package here that will satisfy the broad group of people that we are trying to satisfy. "Those that want to constantly refer to those that won't get to see those games will harp on and quite frankly you couldn't please everybody anyway and that's the nature of it.
They are really shit at communicating their decisions to their customer base
O'Neill needs a large dúthracht injection
I genuinely can't see anything other than a Mayo win on Saturday.
Unlike most counties - Kerry are generally always there or thereabouts no matter how many new players are being blooded.
The word transition doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary.
But I think Mayo have the stronger 15 at this moment in time.When they get their running game from deep going they are relentless and very difficult to stop.
Kerry weren't able to deal with that for long periods of the second half even with the extra man (albeit they used the extra player poorly which seems to happen a lot to teams who are a man up).
The one worry for Mayo is the lack of impact off the bench.
I do think there will be a plan in place for Donaghy this time though and he will be matched up with somebody who can compete with him in the air.
I would sack whoever the GAA's PR advisor is
This is how to do it
"It is not complicated. Any half-competent flak knows the drill. Own the bad news. Make sure colleagues and partners are prepared; go public quickly, clearly, and completely; be accountable; be available. Candour is a sign of respect."
They could easily issue a press release saying they didn't expect the draw and will look at how to ensure the problem doesn't recur in future
but instead they go down the "A Mhaicin" route.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
Yeah, your right of course. What was I thinking. Of course Mayo will now win the replay. They almost won with 14 men so its a definite that they'll win the next day with 15. Football is such a simple game when you get down to it.
You can be as blaze as you want Mike but Kerry had a great chance on Sunday to upset the odds and didnt take it.
Fitzmaurice gets lauded as a tactical genius, almost the opposite to Horan, whos in game management is perceived as poor.
Mossy Quinn made the point that Mayo were lucky Keegans sending off my two minutes before half time and not two minutes after. Absolutely true, Mayo got a chance to go in at half time and come up with a clear plan.
BUT Kerry had the exact same opportunity, they knew they'd have an extra man for the second half, surely the first thing you talk about is kick outs and primary possession???
Not even when it was going pear shaped in the second half did Fitzmaurice do anything about it, other than to bring on a half fit Sheehan
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 26, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
As for Limerick? I wouldn't care if it was in Killarney, Kerry had their chance yesterday and blew it.
hmmm...wouldn't be too sure about that. We were not the ones that were 5 points up with 5 mins to go.
We undoubtedly should have done better with the extra man but some of you lads seem to be jumping to some hasty conclusions and ignoring the historical evidence of the "advantage" conferred by the extra man in gaelic games. This is not soccer you know!
I think Mayo are better but we definitely haven't "blown" anything.
Mayo play a game built on high up the field pressure, they are literally the one team at this stage of the championship that can do without a player to make that happen. They go man-to-man and without one man it left Kerry with options to move the ball. Did Kerry win 50% of their own kickouts in the second half? Maybe, just about! Thats why Kerry have blown it
Yeah, your right of course. What was I thinking. Of course Mayo will now win the replay. They almost won with 14 men so its a definite that they'll win the next day with 15. Football is such a simple game when you get down to it.
You can be as blaze as you want Mike but Kerry had a great chance on Sunday to upset the odds and didnt take it.
Fitzmaurice gets lauded as a tactical genius, almost the opposite to Horan, whos in game management is perceived as poor.
Mossy Quinn made the point that Mayo were lucky Keegans sending off my two minutes before half time and not two minutes after. Absolutely true, Mayo got a chance to go in at half time and come up with a clear plan.
BUT Kerry had the exact same opportunity, they knew they'd have an extra man for the second half, surely the first thing you talk about is kick outs and primary possession???
Not even when it was going pear shaped in the second half did Fitzmaurice do anything about it, other than to bring on a half fit Sheehan
Sorry were you watching a different game from the rest of us?
Fitzmaurice brought on Donaghy, BJ Keane & O'Leary in the last 10 minutes and they all had an impact on the result!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
Did Donaghy throw the ball for O'Donoghue's goal?
Anyone?
Very impressed with James O Donoghue. Better than the hype if that s possible. Martín McHugh could yet be proved right if he s lucky with injuries over the years.
Kerry were better too around than I thought they would be. I did not rate Moran that highly before but thought he was excellent on Sunday. Walsh has stepped up since the Galacticos have moved on and actually has turned into an annoying shite for the opposition.
New lads (to me anyway) like the Geaneys, Crowley and Fitzgerald were very impressive also. The idea that Kerry would have to do a transition period is silly to begin with anyway.
Add in a rejuvenated Donaghy and Kerry have a lot going for them. First big test they ve got and they survived, expecting them to push on from that. The p
endulum may well be about to swing in their favour.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2014, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
Did Donaghy throw the ball for O'Donoghue's goal?
Anyone?
Very quick hands. It looked dodgy ( not sure it was a closed fist) but hardly a throw? I d have to see it again but he d have been very unlucky to get hauled back for something like that.
Really looking forward to the Gridiron on Saturday night. Papers say 60,000+ attendance expected. Should be a great buzz about town all weekend with the semi f on the following day.
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2014, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 26, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Not even when it was going pear shaped in the second half did Fitzmaurice do anything about it, other than to bring on a half fit Sheehan
Sorry were you watching a different game from the rest of us?
Fitzmaurice brought on Donaghy, BJ Keane & O'Leary in the last 10 minutes and they all had an impact on the result!!
BJK did very little, caught one ball maybe, fair enough O'Leary got the point but bringing on Donaghy is hardly tactical genius "em we're five points down, I know lets bring on the big lad and lump it in" GAA management 1.01. The other half an hour is the bit I'm talking about
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 26, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2014, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 26, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Not even when it was going pear shaped in the second half did Fitzmaurice do anything about it, other than to bring on a half fit Sheehan
Sorry were you watching a different game from the rest of us?
Fitzmaurice brought on Donaghy, BJ Keane & O'Leary in the last 10 minutes and they all had an impact on the result!!
BJK did very little, caught one ball maybe, fair enough O'Leary got the point but bringing on Donaghy is hardly tactical genius "em we're five points down, I know lets bring on the big lad and lump it in" GAA management 1.01. The other half an hour is the bit I'm talking about
The team were 5 points down and the managements changes directly influenced Kerry getting back into the game. If that's not good management I don't know what is.
Truth be told Kerry had a better chance to win the game than Mayo at the death with O'Donoghue's wide. Mayo's chance fell to a defender who fluffed it. Great game though looking forward to the replay next week.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
This is a bizarre post. I thought O'Donoghue was superb on Sunday. 1-3 from play even though he was tightly shackled by the excellent Keith Higgins and with Mayo double teaming him by dropping a sweeper in front. He showed and won nearly every ball that came his way despite shipping plenty of heavy tackles in the process. I personally think he enhanced his reputation on Sunday. As if great players have never missed opportunities from time to time. Of course he hasn't been around long enough to compare to Gooch, but to make that assessment after his performance on Sunday as if he fluffed his lines completely is just unfair.
Good as O'Donoghue is, and he's pure class and the best forward in the game, you can only compare him to Cooper against what both had done by the same age. O'Donoghue is 24 now and has done a hell of a lot in his four seasons, but Cooper had still done more by that age.
Quote from: Canalman on August 26, 2014, 09:58:47 AM
Really looking forward to the Gridiron on Saturday night. Papers say 60,000+ attendance expected. Should be a great buzz about town all weekend with the semi f on the following day.
Wrong thread buddy
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2014, 10:34:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 26, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
This is a bizarre post. I thought O'Donoghue was superb on Sunday. 1-3 from play even though he was tightly shackled by the excellent Keith Higgins and with Mayo double teaming him by dropping a sweeper in front. He showed and won nearly every ball that came his way despite shipping plenty of heavy tackles in the process. I personally think he enhanced his reputation on Sunday. As if great players have never missed opportunities from time to time. Of course he hasn't been around long enough to compare to Gooch, but to make that assessment after his performance on Sunday as if he fluffed his lines completely is just unfair.
Good as O'Donoghue is, and he's pure class and the best forward in the game, you can only compare him to Cooper against what both had done by the same age. O'Donoghue is 24 now and has done a hell of a lot in his four seasons, but Cooper had still done more by that age.
Yeah but look at the players Cooper had around him in his first 4 seasons and look at the players around JOD presently.
Another way you could look at it is that Cooper broke into an already supremely gifted Kerry forward line as a skinny 19 year old and became the main man pretty much straight away. O'Donoghue is the same age now that Cooper was in 2007, by which time Cooper was already firmly established as one of the all-time greats. I'm not sure O'Donoghue has quite earned his place in that category yet, although he's likely to do so soon enough if he keeps going the way he is.
While both are great finishers, I'd trust Cooper just that little bit more to hit the target, as Sunday showed. O'Donoghue has a superior ability to beat a man due to his greater pace. What O'Donoghue has yet to display is the type of razor sharp football brain Cooper has in terms of bringing others into the game, waiting for the right moment and pouncing with a killer pass - the type of awareness that made Cooper's switch to centre forward such a success last year. Cooper had already displayed that awareness in spades by 2007.
Headline in today's Indo.
"Would this happen to Dublin? Fans react to decision to play Mayo-Kerry replay in Limerick"
What on earth has Dublin to do with this argument? More sloppy journalism – particularly since the article below the headline goes on to point out that the last time a semi-final was played outside of Croke Park Dublin were involved!
Priceless.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
Headline in today's Indo.
"Would this happen to Dublin? Fans react to decision to play Mayo-Kerry replay in Limerick"
What on earth has Dublin to do with this argument? More sloppy journalism – particularly since the article below the headline goes on to point out that the last time a semi-final was played outside of Croke Park Dublin were involved!
Priceless.
Dubl$n haven't played outside Croke Park in any championship match since 2006, Mayo and Kerry have to play an All Ireland semi final outside Croke Park. It's crazy.
Quote from: galwayman on August 26, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
I genuinely can't see anything other than a Mayo win on Saturday.
Unlike most counties - Kerry are generally always there or thereabouts no matter how many new players are being blooded.
The word transition doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary.
But I think Mayo have the stronger 15 at this moment in time.When they get their running game from deep going they are relentless and very difficult to stop.
Kerry weren't able to deal with that for long periods of the second half even with the extra man (albeit they used the extra player poorly which seems to happen a lot to teams who are a man up).
The one worry for Mayo is the lack of impact off the bench.
I do think there will be a plan in place for Donaghy this time though and he will be matched up with somebody who can compete with him in the air.
In theory that should be the case but in practice it's not so clear-cut.
Unfortunately, Mayo seems to have perfected the art of building up impressive leads and then squandering them in the closing stages.
So far in these championships, their luck as held but they may yet have cause to regret their inability to close out a game when the result should not be in doubt.
Have they the ruthlessness to win an All-Ireland?
They have everything else bar this.
Roscommon almost caught them napping and so did Cork. Over the course of each game, they were the better side on both occasions but were lucky to survive in the end.
Against Kerry, five points ahead with only five minutes to go and yet they were steeped to get out with a draw.
Bad habits are difficult to eradicate this is my main concern for the next game.
This is the best Mayo side I have ever seen and after the fightback on Sunday you can discard the "chokers" tag. JH has done a magnificent job of getting them to their third semi on the trot but his tactical nous and his ability to select match ups lets him down.
If I were to mark his card, I'd give him 9 out of 10 but it's the remaining one I'm worried about.
I believe the game last Sunday will have brought Kerry on a lot, all their young players performed with credit and they will be a tougher, cuter team in Limerick.
I'll still put the usual 50 on Mayo but I'm not totally confident about the result.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 26, 2014, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: galwayman on August 26, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
I genuinely can't see anything other than a Mayo win on Saturday.
Unlike most counties - Kerry are generally always there or thereabouts no matter how many new players are being blooded.
The word transition doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary.
But I think Mayo have the stronger 15 at this moment in time.When they get their running game from deep going they are relentless and very difficult to stop.
Kerry weren't able to deal with that for long periods of the second half even with the extra man (albeit they used the extra player poorly which seems to happen a lot to teams who are a man up).
The one worry for Mayo is the lack of impact off the bench.
I do think there will be a plan in place for Donaghy this time though and he will be matched up with somebody who can compete with him in the air.
In theory that should be the case but in practice it's not so clear-cut.
Unfortunately, Mayo seems to have perfected the art of building up impressive leads and then squandering them in the closing stages.
So far in these championships, their luck as held but they may yet have cause to regret their inability to close out a game when the result should not be in doubt.
Have they the ruthlessness to win an All-Ireland?
They have everything else bar this.
Roscommon almost caught them napping and so did Cork. Over the course of each game, they were the better side on both occasions but were lucky to survive in the end.
Against Kerry, five points ahead with only five minutes to go and yet they were steeped to get out with a draw.
Bad habits are difficult to eradicate this is my main concern for the next game.
This is the best Mayo side I have ever seen and after the fightback on Sunday you can discard the "chokers" tag. JH has done a magnificent job of getting them to their third semi on the trot but his tactical nous and his ability to select match ups lets him down.
If I were to mark his card, I'd give him 9 out of 10 but it's the remaining one I'm worried about.
I believe the game last Sunday will have brought Kerry on a lot, all their young players performed with credit and they will be a tougher, cuter team in Limerick.
I'll still put the usual 50 on Mayo but I'm not totally confident about the result.
If Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
Headline in today's Indo.
"Would this happen to Dublin? Fans react to decision to play Mayo-Kerry replay in Limerick"
What on earth has Dublin to do with this argument? More sloppy journalism – particularly since the article below the headline goes on to point out that the last time a semi-final was played outside of Croke Park Dublin were involved!
Priceless.
TBF, it's nothing to do with Dublin except that the reason the GAA are giving for not having it on Saturday week is the possibility of a Donegal / Dublin replay – that's more to do with money than Dublin GAA
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
This is a bizarre post. I thought O'Donoghue was superb on Sunday. 1-3 from play even though he was tightly shackled by the excellent Keith Higgins and with Mayo double teaming him by dropping a sweeper in front. He showed and won nearly every ball that came his way despite shipping plenty of heavy tackles in the process. I personally think he enhanced his reputation on Sunday. As if great players have never missed opportunities from time to time. Of course he hasn't been around long enough to compare to Gooch, but to make that assessment after his performance on Sunday as if he fluffed his lines completely is just unfair.
True, he was well marked by one of the best corner backs in the game but he had two relatively simple chances to win the game for Kerry and he showed a lack of composure both times in missing them. Like I said, he's a class player but previous comparisons with Gooch seem to be premature. I actually thought his link play was pretty good, his ball across to Donnacha Walsh was inches away from being an easy goal chance and he also crossed from the right for someone to get a point (can't remember who).
David Moran really stepped up for Kerry in the first half in particular. He faded a bit in the second but was still on hand to play in the ball for Donaghy's goal. He's someone Mayo will need to counteract on Saturday to have a chance of winnning
QuoteIf Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
So it's 2 marquee forwards we need now? COC was held scoreless from play by Ross and got just 2 from play against Cork, the rest of the lads chipped in then. Our half forward line and whatever our new midfield will be should jab in more on the scoreboard the next day when it's back to 15 v 15.
COC is getting better by the game. Replay will only go one way and that's our boys to win. I predicted a handy win at the weekend but didn't factor in the sending off.
Quote from: Sidney on August 26, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
This is a bizarre post. I thought O'Donoghue was superb on Sunday. 1-3 from play even though he was tightly shackled by the excellent Keith Higgins and with Mayo double teaming him by dropping a sweeper in front. He showed and won nearly every ball that came his way despite shipping plenty of heavy tackles in the process. I personally think he enhanced his reputation on Sunday. As if great players have never missed opportunities from time to time. Of course he hasn't been around long enough to compare to Gooch, but to make that assessment after his performance on Sunday as if he fluffed his lines completely is just unfair.
Good as O'Donoghue is, and he's pure class and the best forward in the game, you can only compare him to Cooper against what both had done by the same age. O'Donoghue is 24 now and has done a hell of a lot in his four seasons, but Cooper had still done more by that age.
I agree with this, O'Donoghue hasn't done enough to be considered in the same bracket as Gooch, my point is that Sundays performance, in my opinion, enhanced his reputation rather than gave more evidence to suggest he's not in that class.
Quote from: highorlow on August 26, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
QuoteIf Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
So it's 2 marquee forwards we need now? COC was held scoreless from play by Ross and got just 2 from play against Cork, the rest of the lads chipped in then. Our half forward line and whatever our new midfield will be should jab in more on the scoreboard the next day when it's back to 15 v 15.
COC is getting better by the game. Replay will only go one way and that's our boys to win. I predicted a handy win at the weekend but didn't factor in the sending off.
CO'C was still the key. His frees were what kept Mayo in the game.
To honest, though, it's Mayo's defence that is the problem now. The likes of CO'C, AOS, Dillon and Andy are in fine form right now and if anything are the ones carrying the others. Stabilising the FB line is much more important to Mayo's chances than any chatter about marquee forwards.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 26, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 26, 2014, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: galwayman on August 26, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
I genuinely can't see anything other than a Mayo win on Saturday.
Unlike most counties - Kerry are generally always there or thereabouts no matter how many new players are being blooded.
The word transition doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary.
But I think Mayo have the stronger 15 at this moment in time.When they get their running game from deep going they are relentless and very difficult to stop.
Kerry weren't able to deal with that for long periods of the second half even with the extra man (albeit they used the extra player poorly which seems to happen a lot to teams who are a man up).
The one worry for Mayo is the lack of impact off the bench.
I do think there will be a plan in place for Donaghy this time though and he will be matched up with somebody who can compete with him in the air.
In theory that should be the case but in practice it's not so clear-cut.
Unfortunately, Mayo seems to have perfected the art of building up impressive leads and then squandering them in the closing stages.
So far in these championships, their luck as held but they may yet have cause to regret their inability to close out a game when the result should not be in doubt.
Have they the ruthlessness to win an All-Ireland?
They have everything else bar this.
Roscommon almost caught them napping and so did Cork. Over the course of each game, they were the better side on both occasions but were lucky to survive in the end.
Against Kerry, five points ahead with only five minutes to go and yet they were steeped to get out with a draw.
Bad habits are difficult to eradicate this is my main concern for the next game.
This is the best Mayo side I have ever seen and after the fightback on Sunday you can discard the "chokers" tag. JH has done a magnificent job of getting them to their third semi on the trot but his tactical nous and his ability to select match ups lets him down.
If I were to mark his card, I'd give him 9 out of 10 but it's the remaining one I'm worried about.
I believe the game last Sunday will have brought Kerry on a lot, all their young players performed with credit and they will be a tougher, cuter team in Limerick.
I'll still put the usual 50 on Mayo but I'm not totally confident about the result.
If Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
Actually I believe they are good enough for any game bar the AI Final. It's a case of the total being greater than the sum of the parts.
Moysider put in very well once when he said JH would need about 5% more from his team if they are to win this year. Kerry will be no pushover and it remains to be seen which manager learned the I'm afraid you are right. I think the Mayo forwards, as a unit, are better than last year and they make up for the shortage of classy forwards with hard work and sheer determination.
most about the opposition last Sunday. I feel Fitzmaurice has the edge here but if Mayo can reproduce their second half form, they should prevail. Dunno what effect Keegan's enforced absence will have on the proceedings but I hope the team will go the extra yards to get him back for the final.
Ah, if only we had Ciaran Mac back in harness again! ;D
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 26, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
QuoteIf Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
So it's 2 marquee forwards we need now? COC was held scoreless from play by Ross and got just 2 from play against Cork, the rest of the lads chipped in then. Our half forward line and whatever our new midfield will be should jab in more on the scoreboard the next day when it's back to 15 v 15.
COC is getting better by the game. Replay will only go one way and that's our boys to win. I predicted a handy win at the weekend but didn't factor in the sending off.
CO'C was still the key. His frees were what kept Mayo in the game.
To honest, though, it's Mayo's defence that is the problem now. The likes of CO'C, AOS, Dillon and Andy are in fine form right now and if anything are the ones carrying the others. Stabilising the FB line is much more important to Mayo's chances than any chatter about marquee forwards.
True. And no obvious solutions either.
I suspect that Caff. has been carrying an injury for some time. Even fully fit he wouldn t be able to deal with a Donaghy or Murphy in the air. Now he s struggling against opponents that used to be able to shackle.
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2014, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 26, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
QuoteIf Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
So it's 2 marquee forwards we need now? COC was held scoreless from play by Ross and got just 2 from play against Cork, the rest of the lads chipped in then. Our half forward line and whatever our new midfield will be should jab in more on the scoreboard the next day when it's back to 15 v 15.
COC is getting better by the game. Replay will only go one way and that's our boys to win. I predicted a handy win at the weekend but didn't factor in the sending off.
CO'C was still the key. His frees were what kept Mayo in the game.
To honest, though, it's Mayo's defence that is the problem now. The likes of CO'C, AOS, Dillon and Andy are in fine form right now and if anything are the ones carrying the others. Stabilising the FB line is much more important to Mayo's chances than any chatter about marquee forwards.
True. And no obvious solutions either.
I suspect that Caff. has been carrying an injury for some time. Even fully fit he wouldn t be able to deal with a Donaghy or Murphy in the air. Now he s struggling against opponents that used to be able to shackle.
He was doing a fair amount of stretching before the goal, I had thought he'd cramped up but it may be more. Fully fit Caffrekey should make mince meat of the 2014 Kieran Donaghy. He's a long way off Murphy now, even in the air alone. If Caffrekey does have an injury he could be a doubt for Saturday.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2014, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2014, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2014, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 26, 2014, 02:25:56 PM
QuoteIf Cillian O Connor is held what happens. thats my fear for Mayo. To me Mayo are always one inside forward short of being a top class side
So it's 2 marquee forwards we need now? COC was held scoreless from play by Ross and got just 2 from play against Cork, the rest of the lads chipped in then. Our half forward line and whatever our new midfield will be should jab in more on the scoreboard the next day when it's back to 15 v 15.
COC is getting better by the game. Replay will only go one way and that's our boys to win. I predicted a handy win at the weekend but didn't factor in the sending off.
CO'C was still the key. His frees were what kept Mayo in the game.
To honest, though, it's Mayo's defence that is the problem now. The likes of CO'C, AOS, Dillon and Andy are in fine form right now and if anything are the ones carrying the others. Stabilising the FB line is much more important to Mayo's chances than any chatter about marquee forwards.
True. And no obvious solutions either.
I suspect that Caff. has been carrying an injury for some time. Even fully fit he wouldn t be able to deal with a Donaghy or Murphy in the air. Now he s struggling against opponents that used to be able to shackle.
He was doing a fair amount of stretching before the goal, I had thought he'd cramped up but it may be more. Fully fit Caffrekey should make mince meat of the 2014 Kieran Donaghy. He's a long way off Murphy now, even in the air alone. If Caffrekey does have an injury he could be a doubt for Saturday.
Unlikely cramp. He would have covered half the ground others were at.
He pulled up in a league game and has not been right since imo. Any injury would be hush hush because you don t want the opposition to know that the full back is struggling. But the cat is out of the bag now and he will be tested at every opportunity now.
He missed a year out with a nasty pelvic bone condition years ago. Probably not that but he has looked a yard slow and unsure since Spring.
He was caught out about 5/6 times under the high ball on different men on Sunday. Nothing to do with injury, his positional sense was shocking.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 26, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
He was caught out about 5/6 times under the high ball on different men on Sunday. Nothing to do with injury, his positional sense was shocking.
It wasn't half as shocking as his manager clearly leaving an injured players on the field of play.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 26, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
He was caught out about 5/6 times under the high ball on different men on Sunday. Nothing to do with injury, his positional sense was shocking.
That was because he was trying to play from in front to compensate for pace. He usent defend like that.
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2014, 06:51:33 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 26, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
He was caught out about 5/6 times under the high ball on different men on Sunday. Nothing to do with injury, his positional sense was shocking.
That was because he was trying to play from in front to compensate for pace. He usent defend like that.
He never plays in front. A great man for the 'hand in'. Also he had no difficulty with Donaghy in 2011.
Whatever the problem is with him, we need it sorted badly.
It now seems the capacity of the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick is a lot less than the 50,000 quoted.
"Munster Council officials, who are overseeing preparations for the clash, last night revealed that the stadium will have a capacity of close to 44,500. There will be reserved seating in the stand and that accounts for about 21,000 seats."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/gaa-chiefs-anticipate-44500-sell-out-for-semi-final-replay-283593.html
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
To be out-played by a Mayo forward brings more shame on JO'D than not having an AI medal does.
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 26, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
It now seems the capacity of the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick is a lot less than the 50,000 quoted.
"Munster Council officials, who are overseeing preparations for the clash, last night revealed that the stadium will have a capacity of close to 44,500. There will be reserved seating in the stand and that accounts for about 21,000 seats."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/gaa-chiefs-anticipate-44500-sell-out-for-semi-final-replay-283593.html
But sure didn't somebody say that Saturday replays never get near the amount of people the first game brings... ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on August 26, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
It now seems the capacity of the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick is a lot less than the 50,000 quoted.
"Munster Council officials, who are overseeing preparations for the clash, last night revealed that the stadium will have a capacity of close to 44,500. There will be reserved seating in the stand and that accounts for about 21,000 seats."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/gaa-chiefs-anticipate-44500-sell-out-for-semi-final-replay-283593.html
But sure didn't somebody say that Saturday replays never get near the amount of people the first game brings... ::)
That used to be the accepted wisdom once but was never going to apply in this case.
Also very accessible for Kerry folk. It with be seriously undersize in spite of the location being so inaccessible from Mayo.
It s also turning into a ticket tout's dream.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Would you believe I used to know a girl called Helen Troy.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2014, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Would you believe I used to know a girl called Helen Troy.
Did she work in Spar
ta?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2014, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Would you believe I used to know a girl called Helen Troy.
Mayo born I'd say. If Scarlett Johansson agreed to do the Ice Bucket challenge in the Gaelic Grounds Mayo wouldn't be too long on getting down there.
The last couple of pages have me worried, according to some, we lack forwards, others, our back line is not as good as it was, more say JH lacks the tactical know-how, more saying that we wont have learned as much or will not have being brought on as much as Kerry............
Of course, there are issues with this team, but some perspective......
Gaelic grounds Limerick, its some fookin venue for Mayo to play an all Ireland semi final and just stfu already with the complete manure about how its the same for Kerry or the Mayo co board knew abut this arrangement, it doesnt matter a fiddlers f**k how you gloss this one up, its a massive advantage to Kerry.
And that fat good for nawtin Laois bollix wants to resign after his disgraceful comments about Mayo .
Get down there people, paint the friggin kip green and red , bring everyone along with you, ticket or no ticket, bring the farm animals too, i mean it lets turn this place into a Mayo carnival.
let there be no dublin v kerry final, jesus let there be no kerry v dublin final, please f**k sake let there be no dublin v kerry final.Thats all they want.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2014, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Would you believe I used to know a girl called Helen Troy.
Did she work in Sparta?
I don't think so.
There was a big high wall around her house though.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2014, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2014, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
This stuff about the capacity of the ground brings back memories of Tuam in 1999, which had at 5,000 more at it than the ground could take. Don't fancy that again.
I have to smile about the James O'Donoghue and the Gooch comparisons. It's like complaining about Scarlett Johansson because she's not Helen of Troy. She's do fine 'til the next Helen comes along.
Would you believe I used to know a girl called Helen Troy.
Did she work in Sparta?
I don't think so.
There was a big high wall around her house though.
Did you get past it horse?
Aiden O'Shea needs to be at centre field from the start on Saturday. He looked lost in the first half and constantly out of position. In the second half he played midfield and was the main driving force for the team. He needs and thrives on the responsibility of ball winner and carrier alongside the brother. Dont think he does that at centre half forward. They need go forward momentum from the statr and he provides that. I thought either he or Colm Boyle were MOM on sunday. I would put Tom Parsons centre half forward to give an extra physical presence there, he too is a good ball carrier. The team I would go with would be:
Hennelly
Cunniffe
Cafferky
Higgins
Feeney
Vaughan
Boyle
O'Shea
O'Shea
McLoughlin
Parsons
Doherty
O'Connor
Andy Moran
Dillon.
Connacht man rambles, I don't know about you, but my feeling is that Feeney will be on the bench...for the whole game, once again. Welcome aboard by the way.
Quote from: Connacht man rambles on August 26, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
Aiden O'Shea needs to be at centre field from the start on Saturday. He looked lost in the first half and constantly out of position. In the second half he played midfield and was the main driving force for the team. He needs and thrives on the responsibility of ball winner and carrier alongside the brother. Dont think he does that at centre half forward. They need go forward momentum from the statr and he provides that. I thought either he or Colm Boyle were MOM on sunday. I would put Tom Parsons centre half forward to give an extra physical presence there, he too is a good ball carrier. The team I would go with would be:
Hennelly
Cunniffe
Cafferky
Higgins
Feeney
Vaughan
Boyle
O'Shea
O'Shea
McLoughlin
Parsons
Doherty
O'Connor
Andy Moran
Dillon.
Leave Aidan where he is. He s played well there in games and Parsons has had any time let alone an unfamiliar position. There was no support runners last day for Aidan and Kevin Mac first half. The dynamic changed when we went down to 14 but now we have to get our shape back.
Feeney s been out in the cold for so long we don't know how he d go but he's not going to get a run anyway is he? Really now? My Castlebar friends tell me both Richie and Barry fully fit. Barry must have been bould as well.
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: Connacht man rambles on August 26, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
Aiden O'Shea needs to be at centre field from the start on Saturday. He looked lost in the first half and constantly out of position. In the second half he played midfield and was the main driving force for the team. He needs and thrives on the responsibility of ball winner and carrier alongside the brother. Dont think he does that at centre half forward. They need go forward momentum from the statr and he provides that. I thought either he or Colm Boyle were MOM on sunday. I would put Tom Parsons centre half forward to give an extra physical presence there, he too is a good ball carrier. The team I would go with would be:
Hennelly
Cunniffe
Cafferky
Higgins
Feeney
Vaughan
Boyle
O'Shea
O'Shea
McLoughlin
Parsons
Doherty
O'Connor
Andy Moran
Dillon.
Leave Aidan where he is. He s played well there in games and Parsons has had any time let alone an unfamiliar position. There was no support runners last day for Aidan and Kevin Mac first half. The dynamic changed when we went down to 14 but now we have to get our shape back.
Feeney s been out in the cold for so long we don't know how he d go but he's not going to get a run anyway is he? Really now? My Castlebar friends tell me both Richie and Barry fully fit. Barry must have been bould as well.
You could field a decent enough team of players Horan doesn't like at this stage. What happened to the Coen lad? He had a bad time of it in the Connacht final last year but he was so young that surely you'd be looking at developing him further.
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2014, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 26, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: Connacht man rambles on August 26, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
Aiden O'Shea needs to be at centre field from the start on Saturday. He looked lost in the first half and constantly out of position. In the second half he played midfield and was the main driving force for the team. He needs and thrives on the responsibility of ball winner and carrier alongside the brother. Dont think he does that at centre half forward. They need go forward momentum from the statr and he provides that. I thought either he or Colm Boyle were MOM on sunday. I would put Tom Parsons centre half forward to give an extra physical presence there, he too is a good ball carrier. The team I would go with would be:
Hennelly
Cunniffe
Cafferky
Higgins
Feeney
Vaughan
Boyle
O'Shea
O'Shea
McLoughlin
Parsons
Doherty
O'Connor
Andy Moran
Dillon.
Leave Aidan where he is. He s played well there in games and Parsons has had any time let alone an unfamiliar position. There was no support runners last day for Aidan and Kevin Mac first half. The dynamic changed when we went down to 14 but now we have to get our shape back.
Feeney s been out in the cold for so long we don't know how he d go but he's not going to get a run anyway is he? Really now? My Castlebar friends tell me both Richie and Barry fully fit. Barry must have been bould as well.
You could field a decent enough team of players Horan doesn't like at this stage. What happened to the Coen lad? He had a bad time of it in the Connacht final last year but he was so young that surely you'd be looking at developing him further.
He has to make changes given the Keegan situation, and Feeny is the best fit, dont think hes out in the cold, has been carrying an injury. Parsons looked composed when he came on and centre half is not strange to him. O'Shea is one of the best midfielders in the country, why play him out of position? It was obvious his impact from there in the second half. Was talking to young Coen a couple of weeks ago, didnt give up much but seems out in the cold
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
No lack of motivation anyway Muppet. Especially now that we know that targeting Keegan was management strategy. Boy did that nearly backfire on them!
Part of the reason for the low attendance on Sunday was the train strike.
Saturday will be a sell out
Have Mayo appealed Lee Keegans red card? It would be scandalous if he was to miss the replay, surely Coldrick has the decency to admit it was a harsh call in his behalf. Unfortunately referees generally stick to their guns but to be further punished is unfair. On a sidenote is Durkin from castlebar mitchels on the panel, he was very impressive on their run to the club final whenever I saw him play.
Quote from: ardtole on August 26, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Have Mayo appealed Lee Keegans red card? It would be scandalous if he was to miss the replay, surely Coldrick has the decency to admit it was a harsh call in his behalf. Unfortunately referees generally stick to their guns but to be further punished is unfair. On a sidenote is Durkin from castlebar mitchels on the panel, he was very impressive on their run to the club final whenever I saw him play.
Yeah, he was v good for Mitchells but not on the panel AFAIK
Quote from: ardtole on August 26, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Have Mayo appealed Lee Keegans red card? It would be scandalous if he was to miss the replay, surely Coldrick has the decency to admit it was a harsh call in his behalf. Unfortunately referees generally stick to their guns but to be further punished is unfair. On a sidenote is Durkin from castlebar mitchels on the panel, he was very impressive on their run to the club final whenever I saw him play.
The only chance he has of getting off is a technicality. He attempted to kick.so the red card stands... End of.
Someone talked about the advantage to Kerry of the match in Limerick... Wise the f**k up! The same amount of tickets will be available to both Counties and Kerry have rarely played there! If ye're playing the Dubs in Croker in a few weeks I doubt you'll be saying the same and the advantage they have there is huge! Cop on I expect Mayo to win this one well by keeping Higgins man to man on O'Donoghue and playing their normal game for the full 70. The reality is Kerrys players are not as good as Mayos at this point and Mayo will win!
Quote from: ardtole on August 26, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Have Mayo appealed Lee Keegans red card? It would be scandalous if he was to miss the replay, surely Coldrick has the decency to admit it was a harsh call in his behalf. Unfortunately referees generally stick to their guns but to be further punished is unfair. On a sidenote is Durkin from castlebar mitchels on the panel, he was very impressive on their run to the club final whenever I saw him play.
Give it a year. He is a terrific prospect, with a great attitude, but there is some competition for places in our half-back line.
Incidentally, Hall from Breaffy also impressed me in the County Final at hb.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 26, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
Gaelic grounds Limerick, its some fookin venue for Mayo to play an all Ireland semi final and just stfu already with the complete manure about how its the same for Kerry or the Mayo co board knew abut this arrangement, it doesnt matter a fiddlers f**k how you gloss this one up, its a massive advantage to Kerry.
And that fat good for nawtin Laois bollix wants to resign after his disgraceful comments about Mayo .
Get down there people, paint the friggin kip green and red , bring everyone along with you, ticket or no ticket, bring the farm animals too, i mean it lets turn this place into a Mayo carnival.
let there be no dublin v kerry final, jesus let there be no kerry v dublin final, please f**k sake let there be no dublin v kerry final.Thats all they want.
Relax Larryin ffs. What age are ye? Your becoming more nerveracking than the f**king matches.
This is no place for Wums or anybody that had lost the plot.
f**k it you were on here saying we'd lose to Ros. Last week you were crowing about hammering. You're either a troll or deranged/on the batter. If you're the latter pm me. I know good people that can help. But quit the shite. These are testing days for all of us.
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
In fairness I think Horan only commented about venue after draw. And he was responding to a question in press conference. He called the venue bizzare- which it is. Not like he harping on a out it since. He was asked a question and he gave a reply. Big deal. I don't Kerry like the idea either. Tomás O Sé doesn t like it either from quote today. I m sure Kerry people will see this a bigger slight than we do. They re the Kingdom after all and they re being forced to play in a provincial ground. Kerry have owned CP more than any team. It's a bigger kick in the teeth for them.
Horan answered a question when venue was announced. He d have moved on straight away. We all have . My tickets are sorted. If I have to reach Limerick via the Aran Islands I ll be there
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
He d have moved on straight away. We all have .
Ye have alright yeah in fairness.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 01:17:30 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
He d have moved on straight away. We all have .
Ye have alright yeah in fairness.
We'll bate yiz!
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Well said moy. But sure don't let facts come into it re Horan's moaning/answering questions.
Number 1 clown breheny stirring it against us today in the indo. What a shameless man. Selling his connacht soul to sell papers.
You've hit a new low martin!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 07:53:56 AM
Well said moy. But sure don't let facts come into it re Horan's moaning/answering questions.
It's more so his approach all year and even since he's been in charge. He seems to forever be at war with someone or thing.
Like I said, win and he'll be hailed a genius. Lose and he resigns and he spent too much focusing on other things.
Ps, he has previous form for getting journalists to ask him 'setup' questions.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 07:53:56 AM
Well said moy. But sure don't let facts come into it re Horan's moaning/answering questions.
It's more so his approach all year and even since he's been in charge. He seems to forever be at war with someone or thing.
Like I said, win and he'll be hailed a genius. Lose and he resigns and he spent too much focusing on other things.
Ps, he has previous form for getting journalists to ask him 'setup' questions.
If he can use the media he's dead right. After all, aren't they using him?
I don't think he's constantly at war, but he's no shrinking violet and won't just say what he's expected to say for the sake of it.
Quote from: Connacht man rambles on August 26, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
Aiden O'Shea needs to be at centre field from the start on Saturday. He looked lost in the first half and constantly out of position. In the second half he played midfield and was the main driving force for the team. He needs and thrives on the responsibility of ball winner and carrier alongside the brother. Dont think he does that at centre half forward. They need go forward momentum from the statr and he provides that. I thought either he or Colm Boyle were MOM on sunday. I would put Tom Parsons centre half forward to give an extra physical presence there, he too is a good ball carrier. The team I would go with would be:
Hennelly
Cunniffe
Cafferky
Higgins
Feeney
Vaughan
Boyle
O'Shea
O'Shea
McLoughlin
Parsons
Doherty
O'Connor
Andy Moran
Dillon.
I would envisage possibly 3 changes to the Mayo team....Andy in for Freeman and Barrett in for Keegan unless his red card is rescinded. This would mean Vaughan going to wing back from midfield and Parsons coming in for Gibbons at midfield with Barrett going corner back.
The justification for having the Yanks play in CP is that it's business/the money is invested in the sport , presumably to get kids interested in GAA so when they grow up they can be shunted off down the sticks when the Yanks come. It's not logical.
Quote from: highorlow on August 27, 2014, 08:11:48 AM
Number 1 clown breheny stirring it against us today in the indo. What a shameless man. Selling his connacht soul to sell papers.
You've hit a new low martin!
Wots he muttering about now?
Mayo lads will yiz ever take off the blinkers.Thats a very fair article written by Breheny and it has a go,(as he usually does) at the Gaa and CCCC more than Mayo, he just mentions a valid point about Mayomaybe better off staying quiet about it til after the replay.
If ye need to continue yer one eyed bleating do it over on the childish Mayoogaablog with the petty Willie joe and crew.
Also good luck in the replay.
from the article
Quoteday-to-day fixture-making at central level, which is done by CCCC, whose current chairman is Tony O'Keeffe (Kerry).
All makes sense now
God I hope the Mayo players are well insulated from all this carry-on.
God I hope they can win by a point or more!
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
Also, regarding statements of solidarity with the downtrodden Mayo folk from former Kerry stalwarts in the media, that reminds me of the sneaky lad in the pub egging on another lad to start a row.
"Did you hear what he said about you Mick, are you going to let him away with it?"
Then he sits back and enjoys the mayhem.
I'd wager most people in Kerry would be quite happy for this furore to continue for the rest of the week.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
JOM was on the last word on Monday evening giving out yards about the venue and the apocalypse that would occur when the Mayo cars happen upon Tuam.
Patrick O'Sullivan was as cute as you like "we're just happy to still be in the Championship yerra we'll play anywhere we have to". The cute hoors are giving Mayo a PR lesson at this stage and as someone said you hope the Mayo footballers are staying well away from this nonsense!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 11:19:13 AM
God I hope the Mayo players are well insulated from all this carry-on.
Jesus, on first read i thought you said 'insulted' .....
Supporters to be insulted and players to be insulated would be just fine ;)
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
do you, hand on heart, think Mayo will win the AI this year?
The winners of Saturdays game will give Dublin a bit of a rattle, but will eventually come up a good bit short.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 11:19:13 AM
God I hope the Mayo players are well insulated from all this carry-on.
They've ordered 30 of these yokes.
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Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2014, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
JOM was on the last word on Monday evening giving out yards about the venue and the apocalypse that would occur when the Mayo cars happen upon Tuam.
Patrick O'Sullivan was as cute as you like "we're just happy to still be in the Championship yerra we'll play anywhere we have to". The cute hoors are giving Mayo a PR lesson at this stage and as someone said you hope the Mayo footballers are staying well away from this nonsense!
You do realise that Mayo would be saying the exact same thing as Kerry if this match were fixed for Pearse Stadium??!!! And vice versa
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 27, 2014, 08:11:48 AM
Number 1 clown breheny stirring it against us today in the indo. What a shameless man. Selling his connacht soul to sell papers.
You've hit a new low martin!
I would not get excited by that article! Usual Pogwash from Breheny. Looking for a makey up angle to the game being staged in Limerick. So he went with the Mayo are crying boo-hoo and of course completely ignored any remarks from Kerry. Usual lazy journalism coupled with his usual stereotypes! Breheny is just wading in the shallow water until retirement at this stage.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-run-the-risk-of-losing-mind-games-over-replay-rant-30539877.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-run-the-risk-of-losing-mind-games-over-replay-rant-30539877.html)
picked up a copy of the Sunday Independent there (free in a cafe) and read Lawlors article on Kerry changing tact to keep up wth modern styles and the main input for this article was from from a 'former player' and 'member of the backroom team'...fair old guff Id say total balls
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Also, regarding statements of solidarity with the downtrodden Mayo folk from former Kerry stalwarts in the media, that reminds me of the sneaky lad in the pub egging on another lad to start a row.
"Did you hear what he said about you Mick, are you going to let him away with it?"
Then he sits back and enjoys the mayhem.
I'd wager most people in Kerry would be quite happy for this furore to continue for the rest of the week.
Sure how can you play mind games with fellas that seem intent on playing them on themselves !
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Also, regarding statements of solidarity with the downtrodden Mayo folk from former Kerry stalwarts in the media, that reminds me of the sneaky lad in the pub egging on another lad to start a row.
"Did you hear what he said about you Mick, are you going to let him away with it?"
Then he sits back and enjoys the mayhem.
I'd wager most people in Kerry would be quite happy for this furore to continue for the rest of the week.
Sure how can you play mind games with fellas that seem intent on playing them on themselves !
See we are sneakey like that up here in Mayo Mikey!! Just like nobody noticed that Kerry had to win the battle with our middle 8 last week when they themselves could only play two in midfield!!
Regardless of the game being played in Limerick, I cant wait for the replay in front a packed house, it has the makingsof a great game in a unique atmosphere. Big questions this week should be, will donaghy start, if so who will mark him, will the two osheas start in the middle? will higgins go man on man with odonoghue, who will pick up oconnor. A fasciniating contest in store. Mayo to shade it for me, ive them backed at 13/2 to win the whole thing.
To add insult to injury see where the season tickets and cairde tickets are located, 102/103, 111/112,(http://mayoclub51.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Gaelic-Grounds-seating-plan.jpg)
Yeah, a lot of things for the two management teams to consider alright, the main things I'd see for Mayo would be:
- Ditch the sweeper and play our normal game?
- Who starts @ MF? Both Moran & Buckley were very influential in the first half, we need to improve a lot here
- Who starts instead of Keegan assuming the appeal is unsuccessful?
- Andy or Alan?
- A plan for when Donaghy comes on?? A little bit of practise this week at blocking his run would go a long way to curtailing him I think and frustrate him into the bargain
- Reduce the amount of goal chances we cough up – has been a problem for a while now and is unlikely to be solved
For Kerry:
- Is Dec O'S and / or Sheehan fit to start? I'd start the former but not the latter
- Start Donaghy or bring him on? I'd bring him on
- What to do if Mayo start running at them like last week??
- How to curtail the influence of AOS?
The Mayo supporters are shitting themselves!!!!!!
Jeez, I don't like Breheny but this has nothing to do with this article.
I don't know what the fuss is all about.
He's saying the craic over the venue could distract the team's preparations and that is about it.
I mean ".........the arguments over the rights and wrongs of Mayo's position - in fairness, the former outnumbers the latter by an overwhelming majority ."
That's hardly anti-Mayo, is it?
He followed with "Of course, Kerry didn't grumble, but then why should they, since the neighbour's field was the chosen venue."
And how about "And please, would apologists for this decision desist from trying to justify it through the use of geographical illusions that portray Limerick as a halfway house between Kerry and Mayo. Check the map - it doesn't lie?."
I can't see anything wrong here either: " Anyway, the decision has been made and, hopefully, for Mayo's sake, it won't damage their prospects from a psychological viewpoint. Complaining over the venue might appear perfectly logical in Mayo but Kerry will see it as a sign of weakness, hopefully to be exploited."
Makes plenty of sense to me anyway.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
The Mayo supporters are shitting themselves!!!!!!
Things are going to get guttural on Saturday...us westerners are a bit unhinged when things get going, anybody I've spoken to is really looking forward to it.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 27, 2014, 01:18:40 PM
Jeez, I don't like Breheny but this has nothing to do with this article.
I don't know what the fuss is all about.
He's saying the craic over the venue could distract the team's preparations and that is about it.
I mean ".........the arguments over the rights and wrongs of Mayo's position - in fairness, the former outnumbers the latter by an overwhelming majority ."
That's hardly anti-Mayo, is it?
He followed with "Of course, Kerry didn't grumble, but then why should they, since the neighbour's field was the chosen venue."
And how about "And please, would apologists for this decision desist from trying to justify it through the use of geographical illusions that portray Limerick as a halfway house between Kerry and Mayo. Check the map - it doesn't lie?."
I can't see anything wrong here either: " Anyway, the decision has been made and, hopefully, for Mayo's sake, it won't damage their prospects from a psychological viewpoint. Complaining over the venue might appear perfectly logical in Mayo but Kerry will see it as a sign of weakness, hopefully to be exploited."
Makes plenty of sense to me anyway.
I can't stand Breheny (or the Indo) so I'm going to ignore your post Lar and put this article down as yet another slight against Mayo from him
There is a big difference between supporters criticising something on the internet and the team's preparations.
I suspect what happened to Keegan (neutrals won't understand this) will play far more on the minds of the squad than where the match is played.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
The Mayo supporters are shitting themselves!!!!!!
Things are going to get guttural on Saturday...us westerners are a bit unhinged when things get going, anybody I've spoken to is really looking forward to it.
Everybody I've spoken to from Mayo has their ticket and is travelling, we could outnumber the yerras by 2 to 1 and we'll be noisy!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
There is a big difference between supporters criticising something on the internet and the team's preparations.
I suspect what happened to Keegan (neutrals won't understand this) will play far more on the minds of the squad than where the match is played.
A trickle of the squad will have heard about anything written on forums etc. And even that will get little or no recognition. Really forums like these are on a Parallel universe to most of the players we discuss. The players are in their own world this week and we are in ours.
Incorrect FTB, I know for a fact that players and management pore over the finer details of gaaboard posts for hours on end trying to find hidden meanings in various statements. Furthermore, posts on the non-GAA section have a direct impact on outcomes in other sports (primarily soccer)
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
There is a big difference between supporters criticising something on the internet and the team's preparations.
I suspect what happened to Keegan (neutrals won't understand this) will play far more on the minds of the squad than where the match is played.
A trickle of the squad will have heard about anything written on forums etc. And even that will get little or no recognition. Really forums like these are on a Parallel universe to most of the players we discuss. The players are in their own world this week and we are in ours.
Incorrect FTB, I know for a fact that players and management pore over the finer details of gaaboard posts for hours on end trying to find hidden meanings in various statements. Furthermore, posts on the non-GAA section have a direct impact on outcomes in other sports (primarily soccer)
... and religions.
....and sciences.
....and politics.
....and wars.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
The Mayo supporters are shitting themselves!!!!!!
Things are going to get guttural on Saturday...us westerners are a bit unhinged when things get going, anybody I've spoken to is really looking forward to it.
Everybody I've spoken to from Mayo has their ticket and is travelling, we could outnumber the yerras by 2 to 1 and we'll be noisy!
All apart from me. Well in that case, be even noisier!!! ;)
Yeah its amazing how the general public think that journalists trying to sell papers and general "banter" and discussion about a topic can impact the ability of a team preparing for a match.
The appeal not being until tomorrow night is the bigger issue as far as I am concerned, its f*cking unbelievable that you have to wait until 2 days before the actual game to have the appeal heard and get a decision. Now THAT is something that is a distraction for the team and management and could actually affect their preparation, not what fecken field the match is on in.
I presume Mayo have just put together the starting 15 without Keegan and have been training with that as the A team, and if hes available its a bonus, but still someone has to spend time preparing the objection, the player himself has to be involved and appear, all of which are taking away from the business of beating Kerry.
Course they could have just not objected but in a game of inches where theres a chance of having an all star wing back available who will probably contribute one score, why would you not at least try even if it is an unwanted distraction?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2014, 01:06:52 PM
The Mayo supporters are shitting themselves!!!!!!
Things are going to get guttural on Saturday...us westerners are a bit unhinged when things get going, anybody I've spoken to is really looking forward to it.
Everybody I've spoken to from Mayo has their ticket and is travelling, we could outnumber the yerras by 2 to 1 and we'll be noisy!
All apart from me. Well in that case, be even noisier!!! ;)
We just need you to be very pessimistic.
One of your last posts sounded less hopeless than usual and that is never a good sign.
Any other season ticket holder not get their ticket yet!?
I got the email at lunch saying the ticket is available to print, but when I login to my account there's no ticket there.
Emailed them but no reply.
I even addressed them as "A chara" and signed off "Mise le meas", what more can a gael do!? ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on August 27, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
Any other season ticket holder not get their ticket yet!?
I got the email at lunch saying the ticket is available to print, but when I login to my account there's no ticket there.
Emailed them but no reply.
I even addressed them as "A chara" and signed off "Mise le meas", what more can a gael do!? ;)
Try again with '
Mere I Wantcha' and finish with '
on me mother's life'.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 27, 2014, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2014, 10:28:13 PM
It is too late for worrying about who isn't playing.
Get past this obstacle and we will be at bigger odds than MK Dons against the Dubs. We will have learned more from one fixture than we have in entire seasons. We have the GAA messing us around and then the President insulting us. If we win on Saturday it will be very nicely set up.
Just get past this one!!!! Please!!!!
If Mayo win the AI this year (which I think you will btw) this siege mentality will be hailed as a turning point.
If ye don't, Horan picking fights and moaning about everything will be used as a stick to beat you and him especially
do you, hand on heart, think Mayo will win the AI this year?
The winners of Saturdays game will give Dublin a bit of a rattle, but will eventually come up a good bit short.
I do. Dublin have looked impressive against poor teams and haven't been tested yet.
Who knows how Sunday will end up - it's impossible to predict how it will pan out. Donegal will do everything in their power again to get Connolly and MDMA sent off.
No team has put together a performance against a top class side like Mayo's comeback in the second half last week.
Horan has switched Vaughan to midfield with Dublin in mind - if Dublin & Mayo progress then Mayo's hunger will get them over the line on this occassion.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
I do. Dublin have looked impressive against poor teams and haven't been tested yet.
Who knows how Sunday will end up - it's impossible to predict how it will pan out. Donegal will do everything in their power again to get Connolly and MDMA sent off.
No team has put together a performance against a top class side like Mayo's comeback in the second half last week.
Horan has switched Vaughan to midfield with Dublin in mind - if Dublin & Mayo progress then Mayo's hunger will get them over the line on this occassion.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
Dublin had never played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the championship before the 1983 All-Ireland semi-final replay.
Dublin had never played in Clones in the championship before 2003 but the qualifier match against Derry was fixed for there as a "neutral" venue.
Dublin did not moan either time and won both matches comfortably.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
Dublin had never played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the championship before the 1983 All-Ireland semi-final replay.
Dublin had never played in Clones in the championship before 2003 but the qualifier match against Derry was fixed for there as a "neutral" venue.
Dublin did not moan either time and won both matches comfortably.
Well aren't ye just great! God, Patronising sh1t. 31 years ago ye were asked to play an away game after ye played the drawn game in your home city. As for the Clones example, the GAA licked ye're holes and picked a venue half way instead of in Derry.
Well seeing as you think Clones was a fair half-way venue between Dublin and Derry, I'm glad you also think Limerick is a fair half-way venue between Kerry and Mayo!
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
Dublin had never played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the championship before the 1983 All-Ireland semi-final replay.
Dublin had never played in Clones in the championship before 2003 but the qualifier match against Derry was fixed for there as a "neutral" venue.
Dublin did not moan either time and won both matches comfortably.
Well aren't ye just great! God, Patronising sh1t. 31 years ago ye were asked to play an away game after ye played the drawn game in your home city. As for the Clones example, the GAA licked ye're holes and picked a venue half way instead of in Derry.
Well seeing as you think Clones was a fair half-way venue between Dublin and Derry, I'm glad you also think Limerick is a fair half-way venue between Kerry and Mayo!
Monaghan doesn't border either county, and is 1 h 51m v 2h on your beloved Google maps, using Derry City. That is an outrageous 9 minute difference. I can see why you were so upset.
The Derry Dublin match should have been in Celtic Pk...nothing neutral about it! Twas a home fixture for the mighty Oak leafs but of course the cheeky Dubs got it handy again. A tinkers curse on ye's from hence forth
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
The first paragraph or two are nonsense, of course Mayo should point out that its bizarre, it is.
IMO the game should be in tullamore or portlaoise, somewhere actually neutral, Mayo have never played there in the championship, EVER. That is a disadvantage whatever way you look at it
the rest of the article is balanced, although pure muck but sure what would u expect.
I dont think any mayo people are actually making a big deal out of this apart from larryin89/syferrus or whoever that lad logs in as
Dublin had never played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the championship before the 1983 All-Ireland semi-final replay.
Dublin had never played in Clones in the championship before 2003 but the qualifier match against Derry was fixed for there as a "neutral" venue.
Dublin did not moan either time and won both matches comfortably.
Well aren't ye just great! God, Patronising sh1t. 31 years ago ye were asked to play an away game after ye played the drawn game in your home city. As for the Clones example, the GAA licked ye're holes and picked a venue half way instead of in Derry.
Well seeing as you think Clones was a fair half-way venue between Dublin and Derry, I'm glad you also think Limerick is a fair half-way venue between Kerry and Mayo!
Monaghan doesn't border either county, and is 1 h 51m v 2h on your beloved Google maps, using Derry City. That is an outrageous 9 minute difference. I can see why you were so upset.
Oh yes, the famous
border factor. The fact that Kerry
borders Limerick will surely be worth at least a goal start.
I can only compare it to say, if Mayo played Wicklow in Croke Park. Because Wicklow borders Dublin, Wicklow would also effectively have a goal start because of that same "border factor". But if Mayo played Louth there, Louth would not have that border advantage due to the short Meath coastline that separates Louth and Dublin.
I get it now. I can't believe this "border factor" hasn't been made more of in the media until now.
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
In their heads, yes. But it's not new.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
He must mean the 538 protestant fans in Derry? ;)
If they all marched across the motorway at Kinnegad, they still wouldn't don't cause a delay.
In fact that might speed things up. ;)
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's probably about 438 more GAA fans than in Derry City.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's probably about 438 more GAA fans than in Derry City.
Come on Derry City lads (or to politically correct we must include the 538 from LondonDerry). Tell this man how many of ye there are!
http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/statistics-(1)/Key-Statistics (http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/statistics-(1)/Key-Statistics)
Derry City has more Indians than Waterville has people! ;D ;D
FFS lads we've enough to worry about other than that shit stirrer Sidney. He's getting great mileage (pardon the pun) out of comparing distances etc. We've much more things to be worrying about than people in Waterville. Whoever dragged Derry into the equation needs their heads examined, as the last time they were in the championship was the end of June.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
There is a big difference between supporters criticising something on the internet and the team's preparations.
I suspect what happened to Keegan (neutrals won't understand this) will play far more on the minds of the squad than where the match is played.
Very true, tis just another field for the boys, they wont let Keegan down
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
There is a big difference between supporters criticising something on the internet and the team's preparations.
I suspect what happened to Keegan (neutrals won't understand this) will play far more on the minds of the squad than where the match is played.
A trickle of the squad will have heard about anything written on forums etc. And even that will get little or no recognition. Really forums like these are on a Parallel universe to most of the players we discuss. The players are in their own world this week and we are in ours.
Incorrect FTB, I know for a fact that players and management pore over the finer details of gaaboard posts for hours on end trying to find hidden meanings in various statements. Furthermore, posts on the non-GAA section have a direct impact on outcomes in other sports (primarily soccer)
Thats the maddest thing I ever heard! Aiden O'Shea and co do twitter but cant imagine them poring over this
Im new here but Im damned well going to have my say! Kerry blew their stack last Sunday. It wasnt because they didnt play to the best they had and Donaghy coming on saved them. But Mayo at their sweetest unbridled selves playing with abandon was a dream to watch, and had they started the game like that and not worry about defensive patterns would have the game wrapped up at half time. This a seriously good team, the Dubs will be a hell of a hill, pardon the pun! But if Mayo have the O'Shea boys in midfield, tis Aidens only place, Vaughan, centre half back and Parsons CHF, and they take the AllBlacks attitude of, "whatever you score, we will score more", they will win this pulling up. No disrespect to Kerry, but when Mayo came alive with 14 men, they couldnt live with them. Horan, just cut them loose and let them play!
Fairpoint Moy but my words re Liam O Neill stand, a complete p***k.
Predictions anybody?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Mayo and Donaghy to give me several heart attacks and you to have some auld one in a headlock shouting for Mayo at the wedding.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 27, 2014, 10:05:09 PM
Fairpoint Moy but my words re Liam O Neill stand, a complete p***k.
Of course he is.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's probably about 438 more GAA fans than in Derry City.
Come on Derry City lads (or to politically correct we must include the 538 from LondonDerry). Tell this man how many of ye there are!
This is where I get MAD!!!!!
Our club girls just beat Glen Maghera for first time in 4 years In Championship football to qualify for u-16 A football final tonight so I won't get too upset.
I'll leave you to the morning Sidney.......... ( sleep with one eye open , and your precious google maps won't tell you how many miles I'm away from your home at 4.30 in the morn)
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 27, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
Waterville is 166km from Limerick. Castlebar is 170km. An outrageous 4km difference. I can see why you're so upset.
Is Waterville the new County town of Kerry! ;)
Exactly the same criteria as muppet used when making his comparison - the furthest part of the nearer county compared to the main population centre. You'll also find more Gaelic football fans in Waterville than you'll find in Derry City.
Castlebar is the main population centre, although in this debate I would be happy if you argue for Ballina.
Waterville - population 538 ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's probably about 438 more GAA fans than in Derry City.
Come on Derry City lads (or to politically correct we must include the 538 from LondonDerry). Tell this man how many of ye there are!
Sidney would definitely add to the tool total that's for sure. The soccer fraternity know more about football than he does
As a Glen man said tonight at the match J O Gorman..'they must have learnt that at the Brandywell'. We then hammered them.
Link not working.
Where does Sidney live?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
Moyside tasteless joke about the Scariff Martyrs about Kerry people. I know you did not mean to cause offence I think you did.
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 28, 2014, 12:08:04 AM
Moyside tasteless joke about the Scariff Martyrs about Kerry people. I know you did not mean to cause offence I think you did.
God forbid. I just love that song. I ll remove that link right away.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic Grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
You head for Parteen from Killaloe and that will take you up to Thomond, which is as close to Gaelic Grounds as you could hope for. Of course if we all do that we ll create another jam! But if you stay on the N7 into the city from Nenagh .....
The people that thought this was a good idea are gobshites of the highest order. But we ll get through it.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic Grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
You head for Parteen from Killaloe and that will take you up to Thomond, which is as close to Gaelic Grounds as you could hope for. Of course if we all do that we ll create another jam! But if you stay on the N7 into the city from Nenagh .....
The people that thought this was a good idea are gobshites of the highest order. But we ll get through it.
There's a great little shortcut you take when you know traffic will be backed up on the Ennis road (which it will be on Saturday). After Gort, head out the R458 towards Tulla, head out then through Kilkeshin and sixmilebridge and follow that road til it takes you to the old cratloe road and then onto the LIT. Used to knock nearly half an hour off our trips years back when I was in the old LIT!
I heard the Davin Arms is closed I heard so mot sure where the best watering hole for a pre\post match pint would be.
How many thousand cars will be en route? 6/7k all at the same time? It'll be some nightmare. As for my prediction, with Mayo not knowing what XV are available yet due to Keegan's appeal, and the fact Donaghy cauaed so much pandemonium the last day, I can only see a Kerry win. Mayo players to play well for 25 mins of the game. Kerry by 7. :(
Is it time to PANIC yet re travel ?!Times are getting earlier and earlier from what I'm hearing.
Reminds me of going to college and getting the train to Dublin. Every Sunday myself and few lads would take bets on when we could get people to start standing up from, just have to stand up and reach for your bag and the domino affect would happen. I think between Clara and Portarlington was the record...no iPods are laptops in my day for entertainment.
Man Farr. Up Mayo
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2014, 08:41:27 AM
Is it time to PANIC yet re travel ?!Times are getting earlier and earlier from what I'm hearing.
Reminds me of going to college and getting the train to Dublin. Every Sunday myself and few lads would take bets on when we could get people to start standing up from, just have to stand up and reach for your bag and the domino affect would happen. I think between Clara and Portarlington was the record...no iPods are laptops in my day for entertainment.
Sounds like everyone is going early so don't leave the house til about 1345, roads should be well clear!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2014, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2014, 08:41:27 AM
Is it time to PANIC yet re travel ?!Times are getting earlier and earlier from what I'm hearing.
Reminds me of going to college and getting the train to Dublin. Every Sunday myself and few lads would take bets on when we could get people to start standing up from, just have to stand up and reach for your bag and the domino affect would happen. I think between Clara and Portarlington was the record...no iPods are laptops in my day for entertainment.
Sounds like everyone is going early so don't leave the house til about 1345, roads should be well clear!!
Aye, hold your nerve with the parking too...people will twitch and park 3 miles up the road... :P
Have the dinner at 8am to get a clear run at the day.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 28, 2014, 04:21:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic Grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
You head for Parteen from Killaloe and that will take you up to Thomond, which is as close to Gaelic Grounds as you could hope for. Of course if we all do that we ll create another jam! But if you stay on the N7 into the city from Nenagh .....
The people that thought this was a good idea are gobshites of the highest order. But we ll get through it.
There's a great little shortcut you take when you know traffic will be backed up on the Ennis road (which it will be on Saturday). After Gort, head out the R458 towards Tulla, head out then through Kilkeshin and sixmilebridge and follow that road til it takes you to the old cratloe road and then onto the LIT. Used to knock nearly half an hour off our trips years back when I was in the old LIT!
I heard the Davin Arms is closed I heard so mot sure where the best watering hole for a pre\post match pint would be.
That is a good shortcut from the Clare side alright. Takes the Ennis road out of the equation, and the delays getting off the motorway/dual carraigeway at the toll booth as well. Probably decent parking in LIT too, they always open for the Munster games. 2€ or thereabouts.
The one through Portumna is also a decent bet, but would you not be nearly past the worst of it if you hit Portumna? The motorway from Galway to Limerick is good, especially if you take that sixmilebridge/cratloe exit mentioned above.
If you do come through Portumna, and into Borrisokane/Nenagh you would then get on the M7 at Nenagh and if you like you could get all the way to Jetlands on the Ennis Road vial the tunnel and the toll. But that will probably be busy with Kerry people, because the Motorway in from Adare also allows you to go that way. I can't see many Kerry people heading into town and coming from the City side unless they have tickets there. I'd expect a coming together of traffic at the Thomond Park/Jetlands/Ennis Road areas.
It might be better, if you are coming that way, to just get off the Motorway at Finnegans Roundabout, and head into Castletroy and up to the Parkway, then keep straight ahead (1 o'clock on a clock) and head for town. Park in Charlotte's Quay or any of the City Centre Car Parks and stroll over Sarsfield Bridge and up to the Gaelic Grounds.
The Strand also has an underground Car Park that I use sometimes for Munster games, but if traffic is heavy, Shanks mare from the city centre might be your best bet.
My parents are coming to dublin to get the train down, it'll be quicker
Loads of Mayo people talking about getting the train from Galway to Limerick.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 28, 2014, 04:21:31 AM
I heard the Davin Arms is closed I heard so mot sure where the best watering hole for a pre\post match pint would be.
The Ardhu is a stone's throw from the stadium but you'd want to start queueing for pints at about 2:00 to have them for 3:30.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
How many thousand cars will be en route? 6/7k all at the same time? It'll be some nightmare. As for my prediction, with Mayo not knowing what XV are available yet due to Keegan's appeal, and the fact Donaghy cauaed so much pandemonium the last day, I can only see a Kerry win. Mayo players to play well for 25 mins of the game. Kerry by 7. :(
Arra, fair dues to you, Farr. I was starting to get worried that you might actually predict a Mayo win. Now I know we'll bate them hoors back to the Skelligs!"
Mayo for Sam, yeeehaw! ;D
Which terrace is officially the Kerry one and which is the Mayo one? I know they'll be be mixed as well
I hope this shite over Limerick does not distract the Mayo players from realising that if they play at their full potential for the 70 minutes they can beat Kerry.
Get into the groove from the throw in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNt4_iLPOH4
Have to say this thread has turned into unintentional comedy gold. Guys you are playing in Limerick not the Gobi desert.
Btw Limerick is an absolute gem of a place . Great pubs etc.
God, I'll never forget the time we had to head to the Gobi Desert to play Fermanagh in the qualifiers.
This was before Ulan Bator was bypassed.
(http://ak9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/1762388/preview/stock-footage-morocco-circa-march-a-group-of-people-ride-camels-in-a-single-file-line-through-the-desert.jpg)
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2014, 11:10:49 AM
Have to say this thread has turned into unintentional comedy gold. Guys you are playing in Limerick not the Gobi desert.
Btw Limerick is an absolute gem of a place . Great pubs etc.
I for one hope they survive this 'nightmare' and are in good spirits for the final
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 11:22:51 AM
God, I'll never forget the time we had to head to the Gobi Desert to play Fermanagh in the qualifiers.
This was before Ulan Bator was bypassed.
(http://ak9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/1762388/preview/stock-footage-morocco-circa-march-a-group-of-people-ride-camels-in-a-single-file-line-through-the-desert.jpg)
You'd never make Limerick with that set up...
Here's a rough idea of what I'll have to spin down the Ennis road on Saturday...fail to prepare...prepare to fail.
(http://www.zombiesquadelite.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/zombie-vehicle1.jpeg)
Jaysus lads you couldn't have made this up if you tried... it gets better and better!!
Quotehttp://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223260
Gay pride parade to clash with Kerry-Mayo replay
28 August 2014
The Pride Parade is expected to bring the city to a near standstill.
Considerable traffic congestion is expected in Limerick on Saturday when the city hosts both the All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay between Kerry and Mayo and the biggest gay pride parade ever to take place in Ireland.
GAA supporters have been advised to travel early as the Pride Parade – which is the highlight of Limerick Pride Week – is expected to bring the city to a near standstill. Many streets around the city centre will be closed off to traffic for the parade which gets underway at 2pm – three hours before the eagerly-awaited replay throws in at the nearby Gaelic Grounds.
The anticipated traffic delays will only add to the frustration felt by Mayo fans, in particular, at the GAA's decision to fix the replay for Limerick. Following last Sunday's drawn encounter, the Connacht champions requested that the replay be postponed and held in Croke Park seven days later, but this wasn't entertained by GAA top brass.
GAA headquarters is unavailable this Saturday because it was already committed to hosting an American football college game between the University of Central Florida and Penn State.
For information on traffic arrangements, check out the Limerick GAA website, www.limerick.ie
;D ;D
Remember that crowd of poor divils that were stuck on the mountain in Iraq a couple of weeks ago with no food or water and Islamist headbangers chasing after them?
THEY did less givin out!
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Jaysus lads you couldn't have made this up if you tried... it gets better and better!!
Quotehttp://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223260
Gay pride parade to clash with Kerry-Mayo replay
28 August 2014
The Pride Parade is expected to bring the city to a near standstill.
Considerable traffic congestion is expected in Limerick on Saturday when the city hosts both the All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay between Kerry and Mayo and the biggest gay pride parade ever to take place in Ireland.
GAA supporters have been advised to travel early as the Pride Parade – which is the highlight of Limerick Pride Week – is expected to bring the city to a near standstill. Many streets around the city centre will be closed off to traffic for the parade which gets underway at 2pm – three hours before the eagerly-awaited replay throws in at the nearby Gaelic Grounds.
The anticipated traffic delays will only add to the frustration felt by Mayo fans, in particular, at the GAA's decision to fix the replay for Limerick. Following last Sunday's drawn encounter, the Connacht champions requested that the replay be postponed and held in Croke Park seven days later, but this wasn't entertained by GAA top brass.
GAA headquarters is unavailable this Saturday because it was already committed to hosting an American football college game between the University of Central Florida and Penn State.
For information on traffic arrangements, check out the Limerick GAA website, www.limerick.ie
(http://www.iftn.ie/archive//storimag/savage_eye_3558-f.jpg)
Jaysus lads, if the Gay Pride thing is on, you might want to disregard the whole Castletroy/Town thing. I've no idea how parking would be on Charlottes Quay or the Strand with that on.
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2014, 11:24:55 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2014, 11:10:49 AM
Have to say this thread has turned into unintentional comedy gold. Guys you are playing in Limerick not the Gobi desert.
Btw Limerick is an absolute gem of a place . Great pubs etc.
I for one hope they survive this 'nightmare' and are in good spirits for the final
What's the view like from the top of that Ivory tower?
In all seriousness, I, for one am looking forward to a semi final in Limerick. Easy for me to say from 20000kms away but this will be one heck of a spectacle and there will be some amount of Mayo support by the sounds of things. I actually also think it was good that Donaghy came on the last day and exposed our 'weakness'.
We have time to react to that now but not only that but like the buc in room 101, our biggest fear is the Kerry high ball into Donaghy and the net being rattled. I do lay awake peaking out from under the duvet in fear at this very prospect. Now that those demons are exorcised, we must first contain that big fatach which is easier said than done but I expect a change at our number 3.
Christ ai'd give my left magarlaì to be there on Saturday but what can you do.
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Jaysus lads you couldn't have made this up if you tried... it gets better and better!!
Quotehttp://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223260
Gay pride parade to clash with Kerry-Mayo replay
28 August 2014
The Pride Parade is expected to bring the city to a near standstill.
Considerable traffic congestion is expected in Limerick on Saturday when the city hosts both the All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay between Kerry and Mayo and the biggest gay pride parade ever to take place in Ireland.
GAA supporters have been advised to travel early as the Pride Parade – which is the highlight of Limerick Pride Week – is expected to bring the city to a near standstill. Many streets around the city centre will be closed off to traffic for the parade which gets underway at 2pm – three hours before the eagerly-awaited replay throws in at the nearby Gaelic Grounds.
The anticipated traffic delays will only add to the frustration felt by Mayo fans, in particular, at the GAA's decision to fix the replay for Limerick. Following last Sunday's drawn encounter, the Connacht champions requested that the replay be postponed and held in Croke Park seven days later, but this wasn't entertained by GAA top brass.
GAA headquarters is unavailable this Saturday because it was already committed to hosting an American football college game between the University of Central Florida and Penn State.
For information on traffic arrangements, check out the Limerick GAA website, www.limerick.ie
Just another average day following Mayo screenexile. ;)
I think the best advice I can give the rest of the GAA public is that unless your county is playing us you should stay in bed or go on holiday that day because a series of the most ridiculous events imaginable is normally all that follows and that is before the ball is even thrown in!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 11:44:50 AM
Remember that crowd of poor divils that were stuck on the mountain in Iraq a couple of weeks ago with no food or water and Islamist headbangers chasing after them?
THEY did less givin out!
Given the apparent impossibility of getting from Mayo to Limerick by normal routes Enda is now coordinating the airdrop of 20,000 Mayo fans into Limerick.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 28, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Jaysus lads you couldn't have made this up if you tried... it gets better and better!!
Quotehttp://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223260
Gay pride parade to clash with Kerry-Mayo replay
28 August 2014
The Pride Parade is expected to bring the city to a near standstill.
Considerable traffic congestion is expected in Limerick on Saturday when the city hosts both the All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay between Kerry and Mayo and the biggest gay pride parade ever to take place in Ireland.
GAA supporters have been advised to travel early as the Pride Parade – which is the highlight of Limerick Pride Week – is expected to bring the city to a near standstill. Many streets around the city centre will be closed off to traffic for the parade which gets underway at 2pm – three hours before the eagerly-awaited replay throws in at the nearby Gaelic Grounds.
The anticipated traffic delays will only add to the frustration felt by Mayo fans, in particular, at the GAA's decision to fix the replay for Limerick. Following last Sunday's drawn encounter, the Connacht champions requested that the replay be postponed and held in Croke Park seven days later, but this wasn't entertained by GAA top brass.
GAA headquarters is unavailable this Saturday because it was already committed to hosting an American football college game between the University of Central Florida and Penn State.
For information on traffic arrangements, check out the Limerick GAA website, www.limerick.ie
Just another average day following Mayo screenexile. ;)
I think the best advice I can give the rest of the GAA public is that unless your county is playing us you should stay in bed or go on holiday that day because a series of the most ridiculous events imaginable is normally all that follows and that is before the ball is even thrown in!! ;D ;D
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: StephenC on August 28, 2014, 10:28:39 AM
Loads of Mayo people talking about getting the train from Galway to Limerick.
They may be taking the train from Galway to Limerick, but they more than likely won't be getting the train on the way back as the last train leaves at 18:34!
?? I'd a quick look on Irish rail there and there's later ones.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
One set of supporters will be all bummed out by 7:00 on Saturday evening, anyway. For the other, Sam Maguire will lie over the rainbow.
Quote from: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry
One set of supporters will be all bummed out by 7:00 on Saturday evening, anyway. For the other, Sam Maguire will lie over the rainbow.
Unless it finishes level AET.
We have loads of info up on our website about parking and buses travelling to the match on Saturday. Information is being updated on an hourly basis as we get more information.
http://mayoclub51.com/we-go-again-and-heres-how-to-get-there/
Quote from: StephenC on August 28, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: StephenC on August 28, 2014, 10:28:39 AM
Loads of Mayo people talking about getting the train from Galway to Limerick.
They may be taking the train from Galway to Limerick, but they more than likely won't be getting the train on the way back as the last train leaves at 18:34!
?? I'd a quick look on Irish rail there and there's later ones.
Yes there is but to where? Most who intend travelling by train will be coming from Dublin.
There is a 20.25 to Galway okay but that's not of much use to the majority of Mayo supporters.
When I checked, the last one to Dublin leaves at 18.50. Either way, it means an overnight stay for many or a long drive through the night.
Even without the Gay Parade craic, I don't think anyone could make the last train to Dublin unless they left the game before the end.
I accept that some Kerry folk will have a lot of travelling to do also but that's sweet damn all consolation for Mayo fans who have to get there to begin with and then have to face the journey back home.
There will surely be a novel to be written about the Mayo supporters' long, arduous trek across the barren Plain of the Yews and beyond on Saturday.
I suggest a working title based on John Steinbeck's classic tale of migration out west, "The Sour Grapes of Wrath".
Whether they actually make it to the promised land of California, sorry, Limerick, well, we'll just have to wait and see.
Quote from: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
There will surely be a novel to be written about the Mayo supporters' long, arduous trek across the barren Plain of the Yews and beyond on Saturday.
I suggest a working title based on John Steinbeck's classic tale of migration out west, "The Sour Grapes of Wrath".
Whether they actually make it to the promised land of California, sorry, Limerick, well, we'll just have to wait and see.
Give it a rest, Sidney. You are doing yourself no favours. Stick to what you are good at.
Quote from: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
There will surely be a novel to be written about the Mayo supporters' long, arduous trek across the barren Plain of the Yews and beyond on Saturday.
I suggest a working title based on John Steinbeck's classic tale of migration out west, "The Sour Grapes of Wrath".
Whether they actually make it to the promised land of California, sorry, Limerick, well, we'll just have to wait and see.
Arra, keep her lit, Sid you're great craic.
You are nearly as good as Mike Sheehy when it comes to smart assery and that's some compliment.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 01:38:30 PM
Yeah, put a plug in it.
Socket to me. Will Mayo operate a two-pin or a three-pin full forward line on Saturday, do you think?
Quote from: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 01:38:30 PM
Yeah, put a plug in it.
Socket to me. Will Mayo operate a two-pin or a three-pin full forward line on Saturday, do you think?
Will there be any double adaptors in Limerick?
Anyone buy a ticket on tickets.ie? The site isn't very secure to say the least. They displayed my password in plaintext in the URL. I advise ppl not to store their credit card no. there anyway.
Quote from: Bod Mor on August 28, 2014, 04:21:31 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;)) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic Grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
You head for Parteen from Killaloe and that will take you up to Thomond, which is as close to Gaelic Grounds as you could hope for. Of course if we all do that we ll create another jam! But if you stay on the N7 into the city from Nenagh .....
The people that thought this was a good idea are gobshites of the highest order. But we ll get through it.
There's a great little shortcut you take when you know traffic will be backed up on the Ennis road (which it will be on Saturday). After Gort, head out the R458 towards Tulla, head out then through Kilkeshin and sixmilebridge and follow that road til it takes you to the old cratloe road and then onto the LIT. Used to knock nearly half an hour off our trips years back when I was in the old LIT!
This man is right.
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I heard the Davin Arms is closed I heard so mot sure where the best watering hole for a pre\post match pint would be.
The Davin is closed; Hasset's is closed. The only place within a Muppet/Sidney discussion's length of the pitch we could get a drink a few years ago was a guesthouse a quarter of a mile away towards town on the other side of the Ennis Road. Get there early. The bar holds about 25.
Ah it's not that bad. There's a few pubs on the Ennis Road back in towards town. The Strand is also a decent place for a pint, but that's a bit further towards the city centre.
Not sure if the Shannon and UL Bohs bars are open in Thomond Park, but that's close too.
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Quote from: drici on August 28, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
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Outrageous! How come Kerry don't have to go to Galway to get the train to Limerick?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 28, 2014, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: StephenC on August 28, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Quote from: StephenC on August 28, 2014, 10:28:39 AM
Loads of Mayo people talking about getting the train from Galway to Limerick.
They may be taking the train from Galway to Limerick, but they more than likely won't be getting the train on the way back as the last train leaves at 18:34!
?? I'd a quick look on Irish rail there and there's later ones.
Yes there is but to where? Most who intend travelling by train will be coming from Dublin.
There is a 20.25 to Galway okay but that's not of much use to the majority of Mayo supporters.
When I checked, the last one to Dublin leaves at 18.50. Either way, it means an overnight stay for many or a long drive through the night.
Even without the Gay Parade craic, I don't think anyone could make the last train to Dublin unless they left the game before the end.
I accept that some Kerry folk will have a lot of travelling to do also but that's sweet damn all consolation for Mayo fans who have to get there to begin with and then have to face the journey back home.
I checked earlier in the week and there was one at 2050 getting in at 2255, could be sold out??
These Mayo lads will never know what true traffic pain is. Some people went missing after the Clare defeat in '92. It's not clear if it was suicide or whether they are still making their way back through Adare.
Lads what you need to do is start a flying column going and start marching now.
A group of young teens damaged matchgoers' cars at the Gaelic Grounds last Saturday.
Councillor Cormac Hurley described attacks on visitors vehicles as "more than sickening".
"I have been told that there was a gang of between 15 and 20 teens marauding around the place.
"Almost every second car parked along the New Link Road up as far as Brookfield Avenue was damaged.
"Windscreen wipers were ripped off and wing mirrors were broken outside the Girls National School in Caherdavin".
A passer-by told the Limerick Post that car owners were shocked when they returned to done to vehicles.
There ye go the flying column could take them boys out too.
Quote from: drici on August 28, 2014, 03:29:33 PM
A group of young teens damaged matchgoers' cars at the Gaelic Grounds last Saturday.
Councillor Cormac Hurley described attacks on visitors vehicles as "more than sickening".
"I have been told that there was a gang of between 15 and 20 teens marauding around the place.
"Almost every second car parked along the New Link Road up as far as Brookfield Avenue was damaged.
"Windscreen wipers were ripped off and wing mirrors were broken outside the Girls National School in Caherdavin".
A passer-by told the Limerick Post that car owners were shocked when they returned to done to vehicles.
Councillor Hurley is a Kerryman, who's daughter won Rose of Tralee a few years ago. Any MO car parked in Caherdavin will be clamped!
Quote from: theticklemister on August 28, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Lads what you need to do is start a flying column going and start marching now.
Lads, flying is looking like becoming an option with all the road works, parades, festivals, charity walks. Check out our latest updates, includes flying options!!
http://mayoclub51.com/we-go-again-and-heres-how-to-get-there/
Looks like some have already been lost :'(
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/28/fears-grow-for-safety-of-mayo-fans-on-perilous-trek-to-replay-in-limerick/ (http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/28/fears-grow-for-safety-of-mayo-fans-on-perilous-trek-to-replay-in-limerick/)
god bless them. May they find that great hang sandwich in the sky.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
Looks like some have already been lost :'(
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/28/fears-grow-for-safety-of-mayo-fans-on-perilous-trek-to-replay-in-limerick/ (http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/28/fears-grow-for-safety-of-mayo-fans-on-perilous-trek-to-replay-in-limerick/)
god bless them. May they find that great hang sandwich in the sky.
Good but not a patch on Sidney imo
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
Listening to off the Ball on Monday evening and Dara o cinneide said that Kerry fans at the moment were pleased with the result on Sunday. He said it was the first time in ages Kerry had come out the right side of a close game in years. We usually lose these sorta classics he said. When is the last time Kerry won a tight match like that? Dublin 2007?
Kerry have lost two games by a single point since the Qualifiers began. The All-Ireland final of 2011, and the All-Ireland of 2002, against Dublin and Armagh respectively.
Donegal beat them by 2 in 2012, and Cork and Tyrone by 3 in 2002 and 2008 respectively. Bigger margins then in their other losses, chiefly to Cork in Munster as it happens. Almost as if they weren't really trying.
Kerry have won four games by one point since the qualifiers began. Against Westmeath in 2012, Cork in Munster in 2010, Sligo in 2009 and Monaghan in 2007.
They've won three games by two points - against Cork last year and in 2007, and also against Dublin in 2007. The numbers go right up after that, as you'd expect. For the statistically inclined, Kerry's median margin of victory is 7, with an average of 8.25.
So, it's not strictly true to say that Kerry usually lose tight matches. Kerry usually win tight matches, just like they usually win any other type of match, tight or loose, big or small.
BUT NOT THIS SATURDAY, BY GOD!
Any word on Keegan?
He's still kicking himself.
Kerry have named the same team.
Tickets available for all parts of the ground. Might be less traffic jams than people are predicting. You'd think there'd never been a game in limerick before judging by the reactions. Go early make the day out of it and enjoy your county being on the verge of an all Ireland final. For years fans in the south of Kerry have had to travel longer to games than rest of country.
A couple of twits (is that the right term) saying Keegan free to play.
Nothing on the news yet. Anyone heard?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 09:30:22 PM
Tickets available for all parts of the ground. Might be less traffic jams than people are predicting. You'd think there'd never been a game in limerick before judging by the reactions. Go early make the day out of it and enjoy your county being on the verge of an all Ireland final. For years fans in the south of Kerry have had to travel longer to games than rest of country.
Happens for every match. They don't release some of the tickets because they get returns from counties. They won't last very long. I upgraded from the terrace to a seat on the open stand anyways.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 09:30:22 PM
Tickets available for all parts of the ground. Might be less traffic jams than people are predicting. You'd think there'd never been a game in limerick before judging by the reactions. Go early make the day out of it and enjoy your county being on the verge of an all Ireland final. For years fans in the south of Kerry have had to travel longer to games than rest of country.
Maybe that explains why they didn't travel - unless it was a final.
Leeroy Keegan got off ;)
Mayo News - Sport @mayonewssport 26s
BREAKING: Lee Keegan of @MayoGAA cleared to play v Kerry on Saturday according to official @MayoGAA account. #mayogaa
Right, the whinging worked a treat.
Now to ransack The Kingdom.
Delighted he'll play but on what grounds was it overturned?? Seems like the decision was technically correct even if it was unreal harsh.
I think they couldn't handle another one of Sidney's stories so just decided to let him off..
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2014, 10:06:26 PM
Delighted he'll play but on what grounds was it overturned?? Seems like the decision was technically correct even if it was unreal harsh.
I was trying to figure out what his defense would be and the best I could come up with is that a man who can consistently kick points from 40 yards wouldn't/couldn't miss kicking someone from 2 yards away if they were "attempting" to kick him. His "gesture" was intended more along the lines of making a closed fist sign at an opponent rather than actually attempting to strike them. (Or at least that's the best defense I could concoct)
Apparently James was down in Limerick scouting out the place and bumped into Frank Murphy on O'Connell st, the rest as they say is history.....
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Refs may as well keep the red cards in their pocket the amount of times they are overturned. Correct or incorrect it makes no difference.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Fairly sure he would have had an input into the overturning.
Good.
Both teams at full strength. Should make for a great game.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 09:30:22 PM
Tickets available for all parts of the ground. Might be less traffic jams than people are predicting. You'd think there'd never been a game in limerick before judging by the reactions. Go early make the day out of it and enjoy your county being on the verge of an all Ireland final. For years fans in the south of Kerry have had to travel longer to games than rest of country.
100% agree Redhand Santa. I and a large group of my friends are heading down Sat early and I am really looking forward to the game in a sold out Gaelic Grounds. There should be a bigger than usual Kerry crowd there with it being a bit closer than Dublin and despite all the wailing there will as always a big Mayo crowd travelling in hope. Hopefully it will be a 50/50 split and a nice day to set up for a great battle.My only worry is there being no Hawkeye so hopefully it doesn't deny Mayo or Kerry an important score!!
We have got a bit of luck with Keegan getting off his red card so I would say it will be the same team as started the last day. I have a feeling though Ger Caff won't have recovered in time so I think you will see either Keane or Barrett come in to the team with Keane or Cunniffe lining out at full back. Expect Higgins to be left one on one this time with O'Donoghue which could spell disaster for us but at the same time we just don't play well as a team unless the shackles are off!! Kerry will rain more ball down on top of our no. 3 whoever that is and if Geaney brings his shooting boots we could be in for a long day. We will have to have a plan for Donaghy ( or be a heap of points ahead) for when he is introduced but personally I think if Seami , Aidan and Gibbons can dominate the middle from the start this time it would go along way to curbing Kerry's forward power.
Lastly to have a chance we also need to curb the influence of O'Brien and Walsh along with Freeman deciding to turn up taking some of the attention away from Cillian. Silly turnovers need to become an endangered species for 70 mins along with Dillion, Kevin Mac and Doc having a 50 or 60 min version of their third quarter performance from the last day!! Andy , Parsons ,Sweeney Harrison and maybe even the Castlebar duo Barry Moran/Richie Feeney will probably be needed to drag us into an unlikely third final in a row. Looking at all these factors says to me a win, while not impossible, is probably unlikely but the boys should give all they have which will be enough for me regardless of the result.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 09:30:22 PM
Tickets available for all parts of the ground. Might be less traffic jams than people are predicting. You'd think there'd never been a game in limerick before judging by the reactions. Go early make the day out of it and enjoy your county being on the verge of an all Ireland final. For years fans in the south of Kerry have had to travel longer to games than rest of country.
It reminds me of when the tall-ships came to Boston a few years ago. Every single news outlet was predicting armageddon from a traffic standpoint, so much so that no one showed up and it was a complete flop.
Mayo will travel regardless of where it is....they travelled in numbers to Irvinestown at the height of the troubles for an U21 replay when most people from the South would have $hit the,selves at the prospect of crossing the border
Quote from: Mike Sheehy link.msg1393709#msg1393709 date=1409261535
Good.
Both teams at full strength. Should make for a great game.
Would Declan O'Sullivan,Bryan Sheehan not be starters if fully fit? Stephen O Brien selected to start but I'd say he's unlikely to play after going off injured last Sunday.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 10:32:15 PM
Good.
Both teams at full strength. Should make for a great game.
Fair play Mike that is very magnanimous and sporting of you. I wouldn't hold it against any Kerryman to be a bit mad about this considering some of the trial by Sunday game stuff along with some very harsh bans that Kerry players had to put up with over the last decade.
On what grounds was Lee Keegan's appeal successful? Seems a strange one to me unless there was some sort of technicality.
As I said before I'm really looking forward to watching the replay. Despite being a bit sick of the complaining over venue by some supporters and ministers etc I'd love to see mayo win and go on to win the all Ireland.
They put a huge amount of effort into the second half on Sunday and need to play at a high intensity for longer spells to win this weekend. There game relies on high energy levels and good support play. Delighted Keenan is free to play as harshly got the line. I'd be a we bit worried if win this weekend they could fall short again but no point worrying about that yet.
As for Kerry they deserve huge credit for their displays the last 2 years. They've been written off and lack the big names of previous teams. Sometimes it can be hard for a county to compete after a successful team finishes but they've stuck at it and new guys have stepped up.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2014, 10:56:56 PM
On what grounds was Lee Keegan's appeal successful? Seems a strange one to me unless there was some sort of technicality.
T'wasnt the Gaelic grounds anyway!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
As I said before I'm really looking forward to watching the replay. Despite being a bit sick of the complaining over venue by some supporters and ministers etc I'd love to see mayo win and go on to win the all Ireland.
They put a huge amount of effort into the second half on Sunday and need to play at a high intensity for longer spells to win this weekend. There game relies on high energy levels and good support play. Delighted Keenan is free to play as harshly got the line. I'd be a we bit worried if win this weekend they could fall short again but no point worrying about that yet.
As for Kerry they deserve huge credit for their displays the last 2 years. They've been written off and lack the big names of previous teams. Sometimes it can be hard for a county to compete after a successful team finishes but they've stuck at it and new guys have stepped up.
The guff about the venue has come a vocal minority, as usual. Anyone I know doesn't give 2 shites.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Indeed. But I m sure Coldrick would have looked at video before he wrote his report. Technically it could be but I m convinced Coldrick was influenced by Walsh s exaggerated tantrum which was as coreographed as you could not hope to see. I suspect Coldrick is relieved that Mayo got draw and Keegan is available to play. The appeal shows that he got it wrong - he was conned.
This is a big swing to Mayo - maybe.
Kerry tried to get him sent off and succeeded. But we survived and know he s back and motivated. We d have been motivated if he was missing but now that our year nearly ended because he was cynically targeted it will motivate the team to get stuck in.
On the other hand we were brutal while Keegan was on the pitch and if we continued like that with 15 we could have been hammered. So Keegan or no Keegan if we re timid like that again we ll be in trouble again. We repeated the same poor decision making and turnovers that were there v Cork, Galway , Ros and back to league.
Great that Lee beat the rap. He ll have learned his lesson. The team showed the last day that they have courage. If management get it a bit better we could pull through.,
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy link.msg1393709#msg1393709 date=1409261535
Good.
Both teams at full strength. Should make for a great game.
Would Declan O'Sullivan,Bryan Sheehan not be starters if fully fit? Stephen O Brien selected to start but I'd say he's unlikely to play after going off injured last Sunday.
Well, at full strength relative to the last day anyway. I think O'Brien is ok to start.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Indeed. But I m sure Coldrick would have looked at video before he wrote his report. Technically it could be but I m convinced Coldrick was influenced by Walsh s exaggerated tantrum which was as coreographed as you could not hope to see. I suspect Coldrick is relieved that Mayo got draw and Keegan is available to play. The appeal shows that he got it wrong - he was conned.
This is a big swing to Mayo - maybe.
Kerry tried to get him sent off and succeeded. But we survived and know he s back and motivated. We d have been motivated if he was missing but now that our year nearly ended because he was cynically targeted it will motivate the team to get stuck in.
Is this Lee Keegan or Nelson Mandela we are talking about? ;D
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
He got off because he didnt break any rules. There was no strike. If his leg lift was an attempt to strike then matchs would be left with no players on the field before they finish. End of story.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 28, 2014, 11:01:07 PM
As I said before I'm really looking forward to watching the replay. Despite being a bit sick of the complaining over venue by some supporters and ministers etc I'd love to see mayo win and go on to win the all Ireland.
They put a huge amount of effort into the second half on Sunday and need to play at a high intensity for longer spells to win this weekend. There game relies on high energy levels and good support play. Delighted Keenan is free to play as harshly got the line. I'd be a we bit worried if win this weekend they could fall short again but no point worrying about that yet.
As for Kerry they deserve huge credit for their displays the last 2 years. They've been written off and lack the big names of previous teams. Sometimes it can be hard for a county to compete after a successful team finishes but they've stuck at it and new guys have stepped up.
The guff about the venue has come a vocal minority, as usual. Anyone I know doesn't give 2 shites.
In fairness the hardcore supporters will generally get on with it and just be glad to have the game to go. The ones shouting the loudest are usually people looking an excuse not to go.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
So Coldrick basically got his wording incorrect in his report but both offences are red card offences. But because he got his wording wrong...
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
He got off because he didnt break any rules. There was no strike. If his leg lift was an attempt to strike then matchs would be left with no players on the field before they finish. End of story.
End of story is you don't know the rules
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
.... which is also a red card offence.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
So Coldrick basically got his wording incorrect in his report but both offences are red card offences. But because he got his wording wrong...
That's what I was thinking - it seems very pedantic to me. I'm glad he's playing as he is a class act but the the sooner the GAA rewrite their whole rule book with the help of legal experts and close all the loop holes and technicalities the better. A red card shouldn't be rescinded because the ref wrote the wrong words in his report.
bizarre
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
.... which is also a red card offence.
Fierce objective of ya, Jinxy.
Ye must be fairly chuffed to get the Westport man back for the big match all the same, though?
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
So Coldrick basically got his wording incorrect in his report but both offences are red card offences. But because he got his wording wrong...
That's what I was thinking - it seems very pedantic to me. I'm glad he's playing as he is a class act but the the sooner the GAA rewrite their whole rule book with the help of legal experts and close all the loop holes and technicalities the better. A red card shouldn't be rescinded because the ref wrote the wrong words in his report.
Or should our amatuer refs have a solicitor go through their match reports before they go in? Save any of this nonsense of counties employing the services of hiring solicitors and not taking their oil. Quare kick in the hole for refs
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2014, 11:09:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Coldrick hung out to dry.
Who'd be a ref.
Indeed. But I m sure Coldrick would have looked at video before he wrote his report. Technically it could be but I m convinced Coldrick was influenced by Walsh s exaggerated tantrum which was as coreographed as you could not hope to see. I suspect Coldrick is relieved that Mayo got draw and Keegan is available to play. The appeal shows that he got it wrong - he was conned.
This is a big swing to Mayo - maybe.
Kerry tried to get him sent off and succeeded. But we survived and know he s back and motivated. We d have been motivated if he was missing but now that our year nearly ended because he was cynically targeted it will motivate the team to get stuck in.
Is this Lee Keegan or Nelson Mandela we are talking about? ;D
The which?
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Those 50,000 people are definitely all odd if they couldn't see what Coldrick and everybody else who saw the incident saw.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
So Coldrick basically got his wording incorrect in his report but both offences are red card offences. But because he got his wording wrong...
That's what I was thinking - it seems very pedantic to me. I'm glad he's playing as he is a class act but the the sooner the GAA rewrite their whole rule book with the help of legal experts and close all the loop holes and technicalities the better. A red card shouldn't be rescinded because the ref wrote the wrong words in his report.
I just don't get this.
Coldrick is a top ref. I very much doubt he s illiterate!
You can be sure he watched the video spot the incident before wording his report. He would have been embarrassed by being conned by Walsh s camp Larry Grayson dancing impression. Imo Colderick deliberately left a loophole because he knew he was duped. Doubt the ref be giving Donnacha Walsh anything the next day after that con job. Colderick knew exactly what he was writing and probably the most relieved man about that Keegan can play.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2014, 12:29:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
So Coldrick basically got his wording incorrect in his report but both offences are red card offences. But because he got his wording wrong...
That's what I was thinking - it seems very pedantic to me. I'm glad he's playing as he is a class act but the the sooner the GAA rewrite their whole rule book with the help of legal experts and close all the loop holes and technicalities the better. A red card shouldn't be rescinded because the ref wrote the wrong words in his report.
I just don't get this.
Coldrick is a top ref. I very much doubt he s illiterate!
You can be sure he watched the video spot the incident before wording his report. He would have been embarrassed by being conned by Walsh s camp Larry Grayson dancing impression. Imo Colderick deliberately left a loophole because he knew he was duped. Doubt the ref be giving Donnacha Walsh anything the next day after that con job. Colderick knew exactly what he was writing and probably the most relieved man about that Keegan can play.
So you are suggesting that Coldrick has written is report incorrectly and hung himself out to dry over some sense of moral revenge on the Kerry lads for duping him? Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it ..... If you are a complete lunatic! I love listening to you Mayo lads, you just lose the plot this time of year every year. I really hope you win the All Ireland this time round as I fear a few of you are losing your sanity. ;D
Who would want to be a ref?
Ridiculous that players and counties don't just take their punishment anymore.
Connolly last year now this.
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
In fairness the ref did give you a number of soft frees after that sending off and ignored some fouls on the Kerry forwards.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2014, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
In fairness the ref did give you a number of soft frees after that sending off and ignored some fouls on the Kerry forwards.
Yes this is one of those unwritten Gaa rules.
A harsh sending off shall be followed by 15 minutes of bias.
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Those 50,000 people are definitely all odd if they couldn't see what Coldrick and everybody else who saw the incident saw.
You re a gas man and long may you run a stór.
Has it not occurred to you/and a lot of others that Coldrick didn t make his decision on what he saw but reacted to a superb acting display by Donnacha Walsh. Walsh had been setting up Keegan all day to get a reaction he could sing and dance about.
I suspect Coldrick felt awful silly when he watched replay - he s refed tougher games and fell for that.
Do people not realise that Coldrick deliberately wrote his report that way, realising he d been conned. He would have buried Keegan in report if video had showed he tried to kick somebody in the balls or anywhere. Which is what Walsh tried to convince the ref he did - very deliberately and effectively. A con job and not the usual reaction from a player to dirty play. The usual thing is a player will wade in silly. Walsh was waiting for any reaction to try and get player sent off - and he succeeded. The ref saw through it after though.
Well, the one positive is at least there might be an end to the moaning and groaning now and we can look forward to a game of football.
Some of the stuff this week has been pitiful to be honest.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2014, 01:32:07 AM
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Is this a semi?
Only the GAA could have taken a classic last Sunday and have nobody talking about it within 5 mins of the end.
Limerick is a shocking decision; why would they bring a game there; Thurles maybe but Limerick is a crap stadium to watch a match in. The stand has to have the worst gradient in the country and no matter where you sit a pole will obstruct your view of both goals.
Contrary to Mayo public opinion, Kerry do not train there every night; indeed we play there approximately once every 6 years in the Championship (last in 2011 & 2005 before that). Underage game can be played there but rarely, usually NewCastleWest or Asketon. Our club teams do play there a lot however which is how I know the stadium. Nightmare to get out of as well due to the bridge.
The GAA must do something about suspensions. When was the last time a player accepted a red card in a knock-out match & served a suspension? Galvin & Tomas O'Se for the QF in 2010; Ger Brennan for the QF in 2009 or Darragh for the Semi in 2008. It was a harsh sending off but the GAA disciplinary system is a farce.
This is the 6th time a red card was either overturned or not applied on video evidence since 2006 by a team we are facing next in the championship. The full list is Anthony Lynch in 2006; Noel O'Leary in 2007; Donnacha O'Connor in 2008; John Miscalla in 2009 & Diarmuid Connelly in 2011.
David Coldrick had a very poor day at the office the last day. The perception down here (rightly or wrongly) is that we did not get the decisions in the final third and a score from frees stat of 1-5 to 0-2 does support this view.
We remain a work in progress; and while this will probably be Declan's last year (knee trouble) the squad has picked up valuable experience and we have come some distance since the Cork hammering in the League.
Mayo just have more to lose I feel. This coupled to the tighter pitch, greater physical presence and crap weather forecast will see a 6 point win for Mayo. Traveling more in hope than confidence just like we did when we went to Cork this year and that didn't end that badly :-)
For neutral venues, the GAA draw a line on the map between the two counties and hope there is a suitable venue there. It usually means their favourite venues like Longford, Tullamore or Portlaoise get the fixture.
I'm in favour of Limerick this Sat as it's a unique occasion, but I wouldn't be in a rush to be travelling there.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2014, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Those 50,000 people are definitely all odd if they couldn't see what Coldrick and everybody else who saw the incident saw.
You re a gas man and long may you run a stór.
Has it not occurred to you/and a lot of others that Coldrick didn t make his decision on what he saw but reacted to a superb acting display by Donnacha Walsh. Walsh had been setting up Keegan all day to get a reaction he could sing and dance about.
I suspect Coldrick felt awful silly when he watched replay - he s refed tougher games and fell for that.
Do people not realise that Coldrick deliberately wrote his report that way, realising he d been conned. He would have buried Keegan in report if video had showed he tried to kick somebody in the balls or anywhere. Which is what Walsh tried to convince the ref he did - very deliberately and effectively. A con job and not the usual reaction from a player to dirty play. The usual thing is a player will wade in silly. Walsh was waiting for any reaction to try and get player sent off - and he succeeded. The ref saw through it after though.
Were you similarly apoplectic when Aidan O'Shea went down holding his face after he'd been hit in the chest by a Kerry lad? It did only last a few seconds as he realised nobody was buying his charade, but was caught on camera.
My view from the beginning on the Keegan incident was that if Coldrick had seen the replay and seen he didnt actually make contact, that he wouldnt have sent him off. (Even if "attempting to kick" is technically a sending off offence). Bizarre all the same that he's got off, but good for the game and maybe now with a day to go people can start concentating on the football.
This is the first time I've heard of a perceived advantage due a shorter distance to the venue. In that case 31 other counties have had this advantage over Kerry for every semi final and final for the last 100 years without ever a word of complaint from Kerry. Kerry being begrudged their one time having this so called advantage.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2014, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Those 50,000 people are definitely all odd if they couldn't see what Coldrick and everybody else who saw the incident saw.
You re a gas man and long may you run a stór.
Has it not occurred to you/and a lot of others that Coldrick didn t make his decision on what he saw but reacted to a superb acting display by Donnacha Walsh. Walsh had been setting up Keegan all day to get a reaction he could sing and dance about.
I suspect Coldrick felt awful silly when he watched replay - he s refed tougher games and fell for that.
Do people not realise that Coldrick deliberately wrote his report that way, realising he d been conned. He would have buried Keegan in report if video had showed he tried to kick somebody in the balls or anywhere. Which is what Walsh tried to convince the ref he did - very deliberately and effectively. A con job and not the usual reaction from a player to dirty play. The usual thing is a player will wade in silly. Walsh was waiting for any reaction to try and get player sent off - and he succeeded. The ref saw through it after though.
Did Keegan aim a kick? Yes.
Is a kick a red card offence? Yes.
Is an attempted kick a red card offence? Yes.
Under the rules was he correctly sent off? Yes.
These are the only questions and answers we need to know.
Whether the kick was on the low end of the kicking spectrum is irrelevant. Donncha Walsh's reaction has nothing to with anything here.
Keegan has got off on a technicality. Arguing anything else is an acrobatic act of mental gymnastics to rival those of pro-Israel forum posters.
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
What did I just say...stop whinging. Whsssht.
*note how frustrating it is when you're labelled as whinging when you're actually not. Note for future reference.
Only in our great association can the decision to send someone off be wrong, and the decision to overturn the sending off be wrong.
I've just said a mass there for Sidney and his intentions. Good one it was too, thought a bit of Ecclesiastes 7:9 might suit him for the Gospel reading
QuoteThe perception down here (rightly or wrongly) is that we did not get the decisions in the final third and a score from frees stat of 1-5 to 0-2 does support this view.
Ye got enough in the last 5 mins to give ye the draw. Also Sheeans last free was debatable. Coldrick indeed gave us a few soft ones particularly a free for A.Dillion.
Anyhow a draw was the fairest result.
Ironically the ref the next day will suit ye lads as he appears to think our crowding out defensive style is fouling.
I thought we had the upper hand with or without Keegan so our boys will take it in the last 20 minutes.
QuoteThis is the first time I've heard of a perceived advantage due a shorter distance to the venue. In that case 31 other counties have had this advantage over Kerry for every semi final and final for the last 100 years without ever a word of complaint from Kerry. Kerry being begrudged their one time having this so called advantage.
What the hell are you on about?
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2014, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
Those 50,000 people are definitely all odd if they couldn't see what Coldrick and everybody else who saw the incident saw.
You re a gas man and long may you run a stór.
Has it not occurred to you/and a lot of others that Coldrick didn t make his decision on what he saw but reacted to a superb acting display by Donnacha Walsh. Walsh had been setting up Keegan all day to get a reaction he could sing and dance about.
I suspect Coldrick felt awful silly when he watched replay - he s refed tougher games and fell for that.
Do people not realise that Coldrick deliberately wrote his report that way, realising he d been conned. He would have buried Keegan in report if video had showed he tried to kick somebody in the balls or anywhere. Which is what Walsh tried to convince the ref he did - very deliberately and effectively. A con job and not the usual reaction from a player to dirty play. The usual thing is a player will wade in silly. Walsh was waiting for any reaction to try and get player sent off - and he succeeded. The ref saw through it after though.
Were you similarly apoplectic when Aidan O'Shea went down holding his face after he'd been hit in the chest by a Kerry lad? It did only last a few seconds as he realised nobody was buying his charade, but was caught on camera.
My view from the beginning on the Keegan incident was that if Coldrick had seen the replay and seen he didnt actually make contact, that he wouldnt have sent him off. (Even if "attempting to kick" is technically a sending off offence). Bizarre all the same that he's got off, but good for the game and maybe now with a day to go people can start concentating on the football.
Bizarre bringing up Aidan O'Shea's name .He was surely the most fouled player in Croak Park this year, he had two or three players swinging out of him every time he went anywhere near the ball.
Did Keegan aim a kick? Yes.
Is a kick a red card offence? Yes.
Is an attempted kick a red card offence? Yes.
Under the rules was he correctly sent off? Yes
Did the referee send in an accurate report ? no
is this grounds for quashing a red card? yes
should suspension be lifted ? yes
Can Keegan play sunday ? yes
Are either actions morally justifable No but are 'Tecnically in line with the Rules'
So Whats everyones Problem?
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
When soccer bring in that rule you can rest assured we'll follow suit. A booking in soccer for diving isn't it at the minute ?.
The Gaa disciplinary system is archaic. The hearings, appeals and DRA avenues are seriously flawed and need urgent attention.
Quote from: highorlow on August 29, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
QuoteThe perception down here (rightly or wrongly) is that we did not get the decisions in the final third and a score from frees stat of 1-5 to 0-2 does support this view.
Ye got enough in the last 5 mins to give ye the draw. Also Sheeans last free was debatable. Coldrick indeed gave us a few soft ones particularly a free for A.Dillion.
Anyhow a draw was the fairest result.
Ironically the ref the next day will suit ye lads as he appears to think our crowding out defensive style is fouling.
I thought we had the upper hand with or without Keegan so our boys will take it in the last 20 minutes.
it is fouling but. How can 3/4 players swarming a man all be tackling the ball? Its not possible.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2014, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 28, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Seems Keegan got off on a technicality - Coldrick's report said it was for kick with minimal force. But since the kick never connected, it should have been for attempted kick with minimal force...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-s-lee-keegan-cleared-to-line-out-in-semi-final-replay-with-kerry-1.1911292)
.... which is also a red card offence.
Fierce objective of ya, Jinxy.
Ye must be fairly chuffed to get the Westport man back for the big match all the same, though?
I've mixed feelings Syf.
We'll need him tomorrow but the way it was handled sticks in my craw.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2014, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
In fairness the ref did give you a number of soft frees after that sending off and ignored some fouls on the Kerry forwards.
I've watched the game again, I cant see many soft frees. What I can see is persistent fouling of AOS.
This line seems to have taken hold but its complete nonsense, Kerry should have had black cards left, right and centre
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 29, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
David Coldrick had a very poor day at the office the last day. The perception down here (rightly or wrongly) is that we did not get the decisions in the final third and a score from frees stat of 1-5 to 0-2 does support this view.
All that stat supports is that Mayo have the best defensive unit in the country and can tackle, unlike the GBH that was going on up the other end of the pitch.
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Were you similarly apoplectic when Aidan O'Shea went down holding his face after he'd been hit in the chest by a Kerry lad? It did only last a few seconds as he realised nobody was buying his charade, but was caught on camera.
AOS was fouled, literally, everytime he got the ball, in most cases by more than one player
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 29, 2014, 10:18:13 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2014, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
Coldrick should resign with immediate effect.
He saw something on the field that 50k odd people in croker didnt.
Thats either total stupidity or complete pre-determined bias against us.
In fairness the ref did give you a number of soft frees after that sending off and ignored some fouls on the Kerry forwards.
I've watched the game again, I cant see many soft frees. What I can see is persistent fouling of AOS.
This line seems to have taken hold but its complete nonsense, Kerry should have had black cards left, right and centre
Black cards aren't allowed at semi-final/final stage.
It's not in the written version of the rules, but sure what difference does that make? (Other than for the rules about clerical transgressions, which are enforced fanatically.)
Quote from: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
When soccer bring in that rule you can rest assured we'll follow suit. A booking in soccer for diving isn't it at the minute ?.
The Gaa disciplinary system is archaic. The hearings, appeals and DRA avenues are seriously flawed and need urgent attention.
That sums it up.
We moan and complain about refs not applying rules and taking the soft or easy option all year. Incidents like this only increase the likely hood of this happening. When would a ref make a big call in games knowing that all week the media will focus on it with the "he was right by the rules but...." the main theme. Then a hearings committee will overturn it on a technicality. GAA rules and application are a joke shop. Managers, administrators are as bad as they'll always chase this option.
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Well said Sidney.But you need to realise the those from Rhubarbland go a bit,well Rhubarb at this time of year and the can't see the wood from the trees.They should come crashing back down to earth sometime in late September.
The O'Ses can write a bit as well as play a bit.
Peter Mc Kenna knows the value of a € but doesn't seen to know who's who.
There's been a picture in my head all week of Richard Harris going to war with that American trying to buy the field that, over the years, has turned his hands to stone.
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You know the bit where 'Bull' McCabe is declaring ownership of the land and a smiley Yank counters "Well, we'll see about that won't we?" Jim Sheridan's movie came to mind with the eruption of anger over Kerry-Mayo II being exported to Limerick's Gaelic Grounds. Croke Park is our field you see and, right now, it feels as if someone else's hands are upon it.
I love the GAA. It brightens the lives of people in every last nook and cranny of this country. I love what it stands for and the fact that, in Croke Park, we have a home, a Mecca that is the match of anything, anywhere in the world.
And, by the way, I've no problem with other sports getting in there, no problem with concerts, no problem with American football. It's not as if they get the use of the place for free and I know that that money then percolates back into the GAA. I had breakfast with Liam O'Neill in Dublin on Monday and I see himself and Paraic Duffy as two real GAA men, people who are still in touch with their members.
But maybe there's the rub.
I know stadium director Peter McKenna is brilliant at what he does, but his brief isn't the promotion of the GAA. His brief is to drive the commercial side of the Association and I applaud him for it. He's clearly a very shrewd operator.
But I remember walking down a corridor of Croke Park after winning the All-Ireland in '09, being stopped by him and asked where I was going. He didn't know who I was from Adam. I explained that I was a player, just trying to get down to meet some friends.
I'll admit I was lost and I'm pretty sure that, technically, I shouldn't have been where I found myself. But, at that moment, I might as well have been an intruder caught climbing down out of an air-vent. Look he's a busy guy and I know he's doing a fantastic job.
But Croke Park is the GAA's field and I just get the impression that, more and more, there's an attitude building around it of 'Get off the pitch, we're making money here!'
So there's a principle involved that bothers me this week. Why on earth agree to putting this American football game into Croke Park at our busiest time of year?
I realise that it's a bit of a cliche to refer to people as 'GAA men', 'Gaels' etc. but I have never once listened to Peter McKenna and thought of him as anything other than a corporate officer.
The GAA is the organisation which happens to own the asset which he is paid to manage.
There's no real affinity for the ethos or the games themselves.
As a result, the Tomás Ó'Sé anecdote comes as absolutely no surprise to me.
It really is a shame we are talking about referees, appealing decisions and bizarre venue selections after one of the best games of the year. Especially when we get a repeat fixture only 6 days later.
1 day to go and the green and red mist is beginning to return. The nerves are jangling all morning.
Keegan is very lucky.
The GAA would want to get their referees enrolled in some legal courses the way things are going.
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2014, 11:33:39 AM
It really is a shame we are talking about referees, appealing decisions and bizarre venue selections after one of the best games of the year. Especially when we get a repeat fixture only 6 days later.
1 day to go and the green and red mist is beginning to return. The nerves are jangling all morning.
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I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Isn't the attempt no enough to give a red card?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 29, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 29, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
David Coldrick had a very poor day at the office the last day. The perception down here (rightly or wrongly) is that we did not get the decisions in the final third and a score from frees stat of 1-5 to 0-2 does support this view.
All that stat supports is that Mayo have the best defensive unit in the country and can tackle, unlike the GBH that was going on up the other end of the pitch.
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Were you similarly apoplectic when Aidan O'Shea went down holding his face after he'd been hit in the chest by a Kerry lad? It did only last a few seconds as he realised nobody was buying his charade, but was caught on camera.
AOS was fouled, literally, everytime he got the ball, in most cases by more than one player
For every free he should have gotten for being fouled there was at least one where he should have been blown for barging or too many steps 8)
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 29, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Isn't the attempt no enough to give a red card?
Yes it is.
But if you are sent off for a punch, and it is recorded as a kick, then you have been incorrectly sent of and the chances are you will get off on a technicality, even though what you did warranted a red card.
The relatively similarity of the two offences isn't the key, it is whether the offence recorded accurately reflected what happened. Some Counties might go straight to the High Court on such an issue and all your ducks would really needs to be in a row and quacking there.
There is of course a good argument that, technically, the red card should be rescinded but that the CCCCCCCCC could look again and decide that there was another, unrecorded, offence which warrants action. But please don't tell anyone until Sunday.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 29, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Isn't the attempt no enough to give a red card?
But he didn't give it for the attempt. He gave it because he taught he kicked him. It can be debated all night long whether he attempted to kick him or not. I'm inclined to give the player the benefit of the doubt considering Buckley was beside him and didn't take any avoidance action and Keegan still missed but thats just my opinion but the facts are he was sent off because the ref taught he kicked him
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 29, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Isn't the attempt no enough to give a red card?
But he didn't give it for the attempt. He gave it because he taught he kicked him. It can be debated all night long whether he attempted to kick him or not. I'm inclined to give the player the benefit of the doubt considering Buckley was beside him and didn't take any avoidance action and Keegan still missed but thats just my opinion but the facts are he was sent off because the ref taught he kicked him
If the refs are teaching players how to kick one another there's something seriously wrong in the GAA!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
True...how will the Kerry lads be feeling?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
I'd say the Kerry lads were livid about some of the comments on here alright, apparently it was the only topic of conversation during training all week
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
What did I just say...stop whinging. Whsssht.
*note how frustrating it is when you're labelled as whinging when you're actually not. Note for future reference.
Yeah, quit the whinging Sid
Horan should give Mickey Harte a call about how his defence can put Donaghy in their pockets for this one ;)
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Cluxton got a red card and ban for the same style of incident in the league against Mayo...........................
Anyways Im happy Keegan got off, no excuses now.............................................interesting that the linesman who saw the incident is the ref on saturday ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
True...how will the Kerry lads be feeling?
Indignant at the interference of Enda Kenny and the Mayo mafia. That's how they will be feeling.
This famine must end.
"We shall overcome, we shall overcome some day-y-ay-y-aaay"
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
I'd say the Kerry lads were livid about some of the comments on here alright, apparently it was the only topic of conversation during training all week
They said you, in particular, really hurt their feelings.
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Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Cluxton got a red card and ban for the same style of incident in the league against Mayo...........................
Anyways Im happy Keegan got off, no excuses now.............................................interesting that the linesman who saw the incident is the ref on saturday ;D
Em. No. Cluxton kicked McLoughlin did he not.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
I'd say the Kerry lads were livid about some of the comments on here alright, apparently it was the only topic of conversation during training all week
They said you, in particular, really hurt their feelings.
Whinging were they? FFS
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 29, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Cluxton got a red card and ban for the same style of incident in the league against Mayo...........................
Anyways Im happy Keegan got off, no excuses now.............................................interesting that the linesman who saw the incident is the ref on saturday ;D
Em. No. Cluxton kicked McLoughlin did he not.
Coldrick held Cluxton and delayed his kickout, hence the kick and dramatic dive from Coldrick, frustration, same as Keegan..................................Im glad hes off, dont be so bloody moronic
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 29, 2014, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 29, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 29, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM
Enough of the whinging Sidney, the decision won't change, i think we should just get on with the game. 8)
No whinging. Dublin have been the beneficiaries of this type of thing before.
I'm just trying to state the facts here.
Somebody needs to do it.
Cluxton got a red card and ban for the same style of incident in the league against Mayo...........................
Anyways Im happy Keegan got off, no excuses now.............................................interesting that the linesman who saw the incident is the ref on saturday ;D
Em. No. Cluxton kicked McLoughlin did he not.
Coldrick held Cluxton and delayed his kickout, hence the kick and dramatic dive from Coldrick, frustration, same as Keegan..................................Im glad hes off, dont be so bloody moronic
Ya!-that Coldrick is some tr**p!
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Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Also it's good to see the ignorance of the black card is alive and well. Yes AOS was fouled a lot but unless he was DELIBERATELY tripped or PULLED to the ground then none of the offences warranted a black card. If the same fella fouled him 3 times he should have gotten a yellow card maybe!
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
It can be debated all night long whether he attempted to kick him or not.
An involuntary leg spasm, perhaps?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Listening to all this guff during the week and , especially, what is being said about them I'd say the lads will be fairly fired up for this one now.
I'd say the Kerry lads were livid about some of the comments on here alright, apparently it was the only topic of conversation during training all week
They said you, in particular, really hurt their feelings.
Tell them to come up to Mayo next weekend for their holidays to show there's no hard feelings. They can go salmon fishing on the moy and maybe out to Westport for a few pints, there'll surely be a few hen parties in town for the weekend!
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MAYO (SF v Kerry):
Robert Hennelly;
Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins;
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Donal Vaughan;
Jason Gibbons, Seamus O'Shea;
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Jason Doherty;
Cillian O'Connor, Alan Freeman, Alan Dillon.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 29, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
Gaa.ie
MAYO (SF v Kerry):
Robert Hennelly;
Tom Cunniffe, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins;
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Donal Vaughan;
Jason Gibbons, Seamus O'Shea;
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Jason Doherty;
Cillian O'Connor, Alan Freeman, Alan Dillon.
That's as we started the last day.
We will definitely start with that team.
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Predictions anybody?
Yeah I predict that I ll spend 8/9 hours 'driving' on Saturday. Maybe more. I d love to have Sidney along to show him how handy a venue it is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D . Operation Barbarossa was a Sunday drive compared this campaign!
latest advice I have from a Limerick man is through Portumna, Nenagh ( bringing Tipperary into the invasion/equation - bit like going through the Ardennes to get around the Maginot Line!) and Killaloe >:( >:( This guy was on the level.
Of course Killaloe reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygr0V71O61E) but hoping it will be Kerry Martyrs on Saturday :-\
As regards the match, the only prediction I want is yours Farr. - and as negative as possible please. Anything positive and Sidney the Shit Stirrer will spend the day locked in the back of the jeep in driveway, with the engine running,and the wife searching for the hose to water the hanging baskets.
Is there anybody on here leaving from the Ballina area.What time would you want to be on the road at? I was thinking round 11?
I am.
11 would be fine but what day ;D ;D ;D
There s people talking leaving about 10 around Ballina. Belmullet: 9 would do. Of course if you calculate it on distance you can leave at 1 o clock ( it s only 3 hours to Limerick after all - right Sid ye p***k ;) ) and listen to the game on the radio sitting in traffic. There s nice people on here will be able to tell who s covering it on radio. Could be good craic that.
Cheers Moy i was given the same advice as yourself from a Galway man that works in Limerick every day to head to Portunma and on to Nenagh and go in that way but your on the wrong side of the city for the Gaelic Grounds then.This really is unbelievable slobbering to get to a game.
You head for Parteen from Killaloe and that will take you up to Thomond, which is as close to Gaelic Grounds as you could hope for. Of course if we all do that we ll create another jam! But if you stay on the N7 into the city from Nenagh .....
The people that thought this was a good idea are gobshites of the highest order. But we ll get through it.
There's a great little shortcut you take when you know traffic will be backed up on the Ennis road (which it will be on Saturday). After Gort, head out the R458 towards Tulla, head out then through Kilkeshin and sixmilebridge and follow that road til it takes you to the old cratloe road and then onto the LIT. Used to knock nearly half an hour off our trips years back when I was in the old LIT!
This man is right.
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I heard the Davin Arms is closed I heard so mot sure where the best watering hole for a pre\post match pint would be.
The Davin is closed; Hasset's is closed. The only place within a Muppet/Sidney discussion's length of the pitch we could get a drink a few years ago was a guesthouse a quarter of a mile away towards town on the other side of the Ennis Road. Get there early. The bar holds about 25.
Update: Hasset's is open again, I'm told.
Quote from: Bingo on August 29, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
When soccer bring in that rule you can rest assured we'll follow suit. A booking in soccer for diving isn't it at the minute ?.
The Gaa disciplinary system is archaic. The hearings, appeals and DRA avenues are seriously flawed and need urgent attention.
That sums it up.
We moan and complain about refs not applying rules and taking the soft or easy option all year. Incidents like this only increase the likely hood of this happening. When would a ref make a big call in games knowing that all week the media will focus on it with the "he was right by the rules but...." the main theme. Then a hearings committee will overturn it on a technicality. GAA rules and application are a joke shop. Managers, administrators are as bad as they'll always chase this option.
The rules certainly need a clean up.
I mean if Leroy if Leroy had stood back, took aim and gave his tormentor a running kick up the hole, he'd have got the same sanction as if he gave him a petulant tap. No degrees of culpability in dealing with the striking of an opponent. Make any sort of contact with the foot and you're off.
Torment, niggle and push all day and if you are cute enough, you'll get away with it.
I don't think Coldrick had a bad game. He followed the rules in this instance- harsh but he had no choice in the matter.
But justice has been done and Keegan has been exonerated.
Now the cat is out of the bag and it has emerged that Cian O'Neill had told the Kerry team to hassle Keegan to get him to react and get sent off.
The cosy consensus is that Coldrick regretted sending Keegan off and tried to even the score by awarding soft frees to Mayo in the second half.
Dunno about that.
You could also say that Mayo's revival caught Kerry by surprise and they were panicking big time.
Keegan wasn't the one one getting the niggling and tugging treatment and Coldrick had copped on to it. No rocket science needed to understand why he began to blow up Kerry's fouling, is there?
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 29, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 29, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
When soccer bring in that rule you can rest assured we'll follow suit. A booking in soccer for diving isn't it at the minute ?.
The Gaa disciplinary system is archaic. The hearings, appeals and DRA avenues are seriously flawed and need urgent attention.
That sums it up.
We moan and complain about refs not applying rules and taking the soft or easy option all year. Incidents like this only increase the likely hood of this happening. When would a ref make a big call in games knowing that all week the media will focus on it with the "he was right by the rules but...." the main theme. Then a hearings committee will overturn it on a technicality. GAA rules and application are a joke shop. Managers, administrators are as bad as they'll always chase this option.
The rules certainly need a clean up.
I mean if Leroy if Leroy had stood back, took aim and gave his tormentor a running kick up the hole, he'd have got the same sanction as if he gave him a petulant tap. No degrees of culpability in dealing with the striking of an opponent. Make any sort of contact with the foot and you're off.
Torment, niggle and push all day and if you are cute enough, you'll get away with it.
I don't think Coldrick had a bad game. He followed the rules in this instance- harsh but he had no choice in the matter.
But justice has been done and Keegan has been exonerated.
Now the cat is out of the bag and it has emerged that Cian O'Neill had told the Kerry team to hassle Keegan to get him to react and get sent off.
The cosy consensus is that Coldrick regretted sending Keegan off and tried to even the score by awarding soft frees to Mayo in the second half.Dunno about that.
You could also say that Mayo's revival caught Kerry by surprise and they were panicking big time.
Keegan wasn't the one one getting the niggling and tugging treatment and Coldrick had copped on to it. No rocket science needed to understand why he began to blow up Kerry's fouling, is there?
Whatever about that he certainly screwed up his paperwork in such a way that Mayo were able to get Keegan off.
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Also it's good to see the ignorance of the black card is alive and well. Yes AOS was fouled a lot but unless he was DELIBERATELY tripped or PULLED to the ground then none of the offences warranted a black card. If the same fella fouled him 3 times he should have gotten a yellow card maybe!
Ok then
45 - Pulled down to the ground by Sheehan,
53 - Is swung around by Donnacha Walsh (I think), doesnt go to ground
62 - Is dragged to the ground by Moran
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Jinxy, you're on fairly thin ice, theres plenty of room on this bandwagon but that kinda chat will get you fucked off it fast enough, theres no room for logic, its either all out pessimism or all out optimism, take your pick but feel free to switch between the two as suits
QuoteUpdate: Hasset's is open again, I'm told.
The Davin is now a Lidl.
Shannon RFC clubhouse is open. It's in Thomond park, 10 mins or so from the field.
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Jinxy, you're on fairly thin ice, theres plenty of room on this bandwagon but that kinda chat will get you fucked off it fast enough, theres no room for logic, its either all out pessimism or all out optimism, take your pick but feel free to switch between the two as suits
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Bejaysus, Jinxy, I never met a Meath man yet who needed facts to start a row.
How did you know what Keegan was reported for?
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 29, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 29, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
Right decision overall
Players trying to get others players sent off (a la Walsh last week and Cassidy in 2011) should be sent off
When soccer bring in that rule you can rest assured we'll follow suit. A booking in soccer for diving isn't it at the minute ?.
The Gaa disciplinary system is archaic. The hearings, appeals and DRA avenues are seriously flawed and need urgent attention.
That sums it up.
We moan and complain about refs not applying rules and taking the soft or easy option all year. Incidents like this only increase the likely hood of this happening. When would a ref make a big call in games knowing that all week the media will focus on it with the "he was right by the rules but...." the main theme. Then a hearings committee will overturn it on a technicality. GAA rules and application are a joke shop. Managers, administrators are as bad as they'll always chase this option.
The rules certainly need a clean up.
I mean if Leroy if Leroy had stood back, took aim and gave his tormentor a running kick up the hole, he'd have got the same sanction as if he gave him a petulant tap. No degrees of culpability in dealing with the striking of an opponent. Make any sort of contact with the foot and you're off.
Torment, niggle and push all day and if you are cute enough, you'll get away with it.
I don't think Coldrick had a bad game. He followed the rules in this instance- harsh but he had no choice in the matter.
But justice has been done and Keegan has been exonerated.
Now the cat is out of the bag and it has emerged that Cian O'Neill had told the Kerry team to hassle Keegan to get him to react and get sent off.
The cosy consensus is that Coldrick regretted sending Keegan off and tried to even the score by awarding soft frees to Mayo in the second half.Dunno about that.
You could also say that Mayo's revival caught Kerry by surprise and they were panicking big time.
Keegan wasn't the one one getting the niggling and tugging treatment and Coldrick had copped on to it. No rocket science needed to understand why he began to blow up Kerry's fouling, is there?
Whatever about that he certainly screwed up his paperwork in such a way that Mayo were able to get Keegan off.
the good old GAA spirit is alive and well
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Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Bejaysus, Jinxy, I never met a Meath man yet who needed facts to start a row.
Wtf are you meowdering about, ya smelly bowsy?
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Also it's good to see the ignorance of the black card is alive and well. Yes AOS was fouled a lot but unless he was DELIBERATELY tripped or PULLED to the ground then none of the offences warranted a black card. If the same fella fouled him 3 times he should have gotten a yellow card maybe!
Ok then
45 - Pulled down to the ground by Sheehan, Had his jersey pulled but not downward and anyway it was a belt that knocked him down
53 - Is swung around by Donnacha Walsh (I think), doesnt go to ground Doesn't go to ground ie no black card.. check 52.30 :o
62 - Is dragged to the ground by Moran Again a pull back not a pull down
I'm not doubting that AOS was fouled a ridiculous amount of times but they weren't black cards!
From the GAA website
Cynical Behaviour Fouls
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
The penalty for the above fouls are:
i. Free Kick from where the foul occurred.
ii. Order Off offender by showing him a Black Card*.
Both at 45 minutes and 62 minutes AOS was pulled down, how do I knwo it was down and not back? Because he was landed on his arse both times. Were both occasions deliberate? Yes
The both are black cards
Looking forward to tomorrow after missing the game last week and also looking forward to visiting limerick as i've never been there before. On the keegan issue sure isn't there many a man walking about the country today who've had more serious cases thrown out of court because of a technicality on Garda reports ;D Seriously looking forward to the game i've watched the drawn game back twice this week and will probably have another view of it again tonight just to whittle away a few hours :)
You've highlighted the main point... it's not 'pull' it's 'pull down'
We've had a referee in explaining it. The hands have to be pull the jersey in a downward motion causing the player to go to ground. That did not exist in either of your 3 examples so could not be deemed a black card!
Dont forget Mayo Buckos
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on the Keegan incident, can someone tell me how these things usually pan out. (Im making the assumption that a solicitor was involved in this, as most county boards need help tying their shoe laces in the morning, never mind finding loopholes in the game's rule book)
Would Mayo have brought a solicitor to the hearing to battle the committee on this?
If the disciplinary board had stuck to their guns (backing their referee), would Mayo and their legal counsel threaten court action? Is it the threat of court action that would have removed the balls from the committee?
Anyone know the craic here?
Quote from: J OGorman on August 29, 2014, 04:10:12 PM
on the Keegan incident, can someone tell me how these things usually pan out. (Im making the assumption that a solicitor was involved in this, as most county boards need help tying their shoe laces in the morning, never mind finding loopholes in the game's rule book)
Would Mayo have brought a solicitor to the hearing to battle the committee on this?
If the disciplinary board had stuck to their guns (backing their referee), would Mayo and their legal counsel threaten court action? Is it the threat of court action that would have removed the balls from the committee?
Anyone know the craic here?
I don't know what happened in this case, but what you described has probably happened in the recent past. I think the committee now has some legal eagles on it.
In the past though.....
I know a man who went to one of these with a senior Mayo player (let's call him David) who was trying to get a red card overturned. The committee was fairly elderly, amiable and didn't seem to be aware of the agenda. They led the discussion by asking many questions on the well-being and likely return to action of Ciarán McDonald. Our delegation went along with this, delighted that it wasn't a tense meeting. After a while, one of our lot politely brought up the red card, one man on the committee said ah sure don't be worrying about that, it's grand. And they all parted ways happy.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2014, 02:51:36 PM
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Bejaysus, Jinxy, I never met a Meath man yet who needed facts to start a row.
Wtf are you meowdering about, ya smelly bowsy?
I have a strong affinity for Meath so I know what I'm talking about.
I spent many happy years there and I found plenty who were even better than my good self when it came to shit stirring.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 29, 2014, 03:40:30 PM
Dont forget Mayo Buckos
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Squire old chap, your picture is as big as your mouth.
Both could do with a bit of downsizing.
On behalf of my fellow Munstermen I would like to welcome Mayo to Irelands finest and the most successful sporting province. We hope that you enjoy your stay and that your epic, epic journey is not too taxing.
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 08:04:33 PM
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
A more pertinent question is why you need affirmation of Mayo's superiority ?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 08:04:33 PM
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
They are? JOD, a half-crocked DOS on the bench, Donie Buckley playing at CHF because of need? The Geanys, Walsh, O'Brien are decent but let's be fair - they are hardly much better than anyone Mayo has. Give me Dillon or Andy in their current form over any of them. I'd also say COC offers more as a main forward than JOD has. Better player overall IMHO.
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2014, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 08:04:33 PM
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
They are? JOD, a half-crocked DOS on the bench, Donie Buckley playing at CHF because of need? The Geanys, Walsh, O'Brien are decent but let's be fair - they are hardly much better than anyone Mayo has. Give me Dillon or Andy in their current form over any of them. I'd also say COC offers more as a main forward than JOD has. Better player overall IMHO.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2014, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 08:04:33 PM
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
They are? JOD, a half-crocked DOS on the bench, Donie Buckley playing at CHF because of need? The Geanys, Walsh, O'Brien are decent but let's be fair - they are hardly much better than anyone Mayo has. Give me Dillon or Andy in their current form over any of them. I'd also say COC offers more as a main forward than JOD has. Better player overall IMHO.
::) ::) ::)
Close enough.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 08:04:33 PM
Possession stats from last week was 55 / 45 in favour of Kerry.
If you were given that stat in advance of the game you'd have expected a big win for kerry seeing as they are generally considered to have a much better forward line.
A more pertinent question is why you need affirmation of Mayo's superiority ?
A more pertinent question?? I didn't realise I had asked a question Mike!! Thanks for answering though ;D
Mike, thanks for the warm welcome. Our own five Munster lads will return the compliment themselves at 5 tomorrow. ;)
I know we (Kerry) gave ye AOS and SOS...who are the other 3 ?
ah...buckley..
who are the other 2
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2014, 08:51:03 PM
I know we (Kerry) gave ye AOS and SOS...who are the other 3 ?
There's a third O'Shea. Vaughan was born in Cork.
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 29, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
I don't get all this fuss about Lee Keegan getting off the red card. He was sent off for kicking an opponent. The ref obviously taught he kicked Buckley and he was helped come to this conclusion in real time by Walsh's carry on. To be honest I taught he had kicked him as well. The ref puts in a report stating this. It then transpires that he did not kick him. You can't have the ref coming back and saying " well actually I sent him off for an attempted kick". just because he seen a replay of the incident.
I actually commend Coldrick in this situation for reporting the incident exactly how he taught he saw it and not changing things around to make himself look good.
Genuinely, what has Walsh got to do with anything?
Coldrick wasn't 'conned' as somebody else said earlier.
Keegan didn't get off because he didn't commit a sending off offence, he got off because he was reported for the WRONG sending off offence.
It's that simple.
Jinxy, you're on fairly thin ice, theres plenty of room on this bandwagon but that kinda chat will get you fucked off it fast enough, theres no room for logic, its either all out pessimism or all out optimism, take your pick but feel free to switch between the two as suits
I have it out of my system now and I'm 100% back on the bandwagonín.
Here we go, the day of the big one. Safe journey to all those travelling.
Should be some game. We all haven't a clue what will happen, could be a Donegal/Kerry final, could be Donegal/Mayo, could be Dublin/Kerry, could be Dublin/Mayo, could be another draw (which would be some craic), anything can happen.
We'll have to come out of the traps roaring, no doubt about it, let us set the tone of the game. Test them with the high ball and don't be worrying about Donaghy.
Was dreaming last night that Varley started and played mighty. Ha!
So are any Mayo men on their way?
Quote from: theticklemister on August 30, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
So are any Mayo men on their way?
Going round 11ish....just having the dinner now.
Parking is available at LIT.
It seems the reason Keegan got his red card rescinded is because he didn't kick the hoor at all!
"Mayo GAA provided video evidence to show Keegan's petulant kick did not make contact with Buckley and therefore that description was inaccurate."
In plain and simple English, the ref erred and Keegan should not have been sent off in the first place.
For the record, I think David Coldrick is a good ref and he can't be blamed for the sending off as he acted in good faith.
In conclusion, I'd thank the Kerry team and also Cian O'Neill for acting the way they did. If they hadn't adopted a cynical approach and got Keegan sent off, Mayo would have been buried by half time.
Quotehttp://www.westernpeople.com/2014/08/29/technicality-leaves-keegan-free-to-play-on-saturday/
'TECHNICALITY' LEAVES KEEGAN FREE TO PLAY ON SATURDAY
Mayo's Lee Keegan is available to play in Saturday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay after his red card from last Sunday was rescinded.
Keegan saw red shortly before half-time for this very half-hearted kick out at Kerry's Johnny Buckley.
Mayo appealed the card and last night the GAA Central Hearings Committee unexpectedly upheld the appeal.
The reasoning given for the decision was that the referee described the incident in his match report as "kicking with minimal force".
Mayo GAA provided video evidence to show Keegan's petulant kick did not make contact with Buckley and therefore that description was inaccurate.
The decision has attracted a fair amount of controversy, particularly as had the referee described the foul as "attempting to kick with minimal force" the correct punishment would still have been a red card.
Mayo won't be too concerned about the logic of the decision – the wing-back's availability gives the county a major boost ahead of the crucial semi-final replay in Limerick.
As reported in today's Irish Examiner the county have requested access to the Gaelic Grounds this evening for training, to allow their freetakers and goalies practice on the surface.
Mayo representatives also measured the dinensions of the pitch earlier in the week, amid concerns Kerry have an advantage in being more familiar with the ground than the Connacht side.
Hat tip: Irish Times
You'd think that for such an important decision in a major game the ref would make sure he takes a bit of time checking the wording. This country.
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So are any Mayo men on their way?
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"Okay...... you're beginning the approach to Claregalway..... start reducing your speed."
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The Croke Park announcer pronounced 'Balla' as 'Ballagh' last Sunday. Still raging.
Good luck to neighbours, again.
What?
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Quote from: theticklemister on August 30, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
So are any Mayo men on their way?
Going round 11ish....just having the dinner now.
11ish ? that leaves only 6 hours to make it to Limerick !
You're one hell of a risk taker for a Mayoman.
Safe journey to Mayo fans on their perilous trek. Hope you all make it back.
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Quote from: theticklemister on August 30, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
So are any Mayo men on their way?
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"Okay...... you're beginning the approach to Claregalway..... start reducing your speed."
From a Meath man, that's witty! ;D]
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Quote from: theticklemister on August 30, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
So are any Mayo men on their way?
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"Okay...... you're beginning the approach to Claregalway..... start reducing your speed."
From a Meath man, that's witty! ;D]
You don't need help at the best of times to slow down in Claregalway, though.
Got the real flavour of the idiocy of the fixture getting on the train at Heuston and meeting the Americans and American football supporters coming the opposite way and heading to our field.
It's better to be still in the comp at least but gaa people must never let this happen again!
What a shower of complainers. There are many supporters who would love to be setting out for limerick today.
Good luck to Mayo today
Time to focus on the positives;
1) still in it
2) Keegan back
3) cheaper pints
4) Limerick allows pitch invasions if necessary
And no Hawkeye, which should favour the Mayo forwards. ( :) )
Good luck and Rath De to mayo today. They deserve to go all the way. Galway 87 .
All this talk about Dubs vs Donegal as a defining moment for the sport would sicken me. Assumed as default that Mayo don't have the balls.
The last few finals have been decided on wafer thin split second décisions. Elite sport is like that. I would love to see Mayo sticking it to everyone who assumes they can't . Give it bhfaca tu.
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 30, 2014, 12:36:47 PM
What a shower of complainers. There are many supporters who would love to be setting out for limerick today.
Good luck to Mayo today
You a\re being a bit unfair here.
We'd play them on Skellig Michael if we had to but why opt for Limerick when a number of more accessible places were available?
To top it all, the friggin' clowns that selected the venue didn't know, or maybe care, that another gig was taking place in the city and a bad situation has been made much worse for anyone travelling to the game.
Anyway, thanks for the good wishes and may all travelling to the game from anywhere have a safe journey.
Arrived in Limerick three feckin hours early. I hear Tuam and company were clogged up to all hell since about 15 minutes after we passed through.
Limerick have Supermacs with bowling alleys. Amazing.
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
Arrived in Limerick three feckin hours early. I hear Tuam and company were clogged up to all hell since about 15 minutes after we passed through.
Limerick have Supermacs with bowling alleys. Amazing.
Did not think the roscommon minors were playing today unless you are there for the parade :)
This game definitely on Sky?
Not on the listings
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
Arrived in Limerick three feckin hours early. I hear Tuam and company were clogged up to all hell since about 15 minutes after we passed through.
Limerick have Supermacs with bowling alleys. Amazing.
Did not think the roscommon minors were playing today unless you are there for the parade :)
Syfín is the world champion bandwagon jumper.
He'd sicken a patriot's hole >:(
May it be a good game, may the best team win, hope ye all make it home before Wednesday...... May the pitch in Crker collapse under all that Yankee sh1te, may Donegal/Dublin be moved to to Thurles next Saturday...
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Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
Arrived in Limerick three feckin hours early. I hear Tuam and company were clogged up to all hell since about 15 minutes after we passed through.
Limerick have Supermacs with bowling alleys. Amazing.
Did not think the roscommon minors were playing today unless you are there for the parade :)
Syfín is the world champion bandwagon jumper.
He'd sicken a patriot's hole >:(
May it be a good game, may the best team win, hope ye all make it home before Wednesday...... May the pitch in Crker collapse under all that Yankee sh1te, may Donegal/Dublin be moved to to Thurles next Saturday...
You should see the seats I've almost surely denied a Mayo ladeen from taking. Feel like I should be giving a presidental wave at the band.
The band is playing instrumental Rocky music as it happens.
Come on mayo !!
thats brutal thats shot there
Seems very tense on TV, can't imagine what it's like at the match !
Kerry plenty of possession so far, well used to this pitch.
sorry brutal for the 2nd time (maher), we sure this team is Kerry
Kerry on top but should be more ahead. Mayo nervous so far. Kerry hoovering up all the breaks !
Kerry should be further ahead kicking some bad wides.
Hard to believe it was a point a piece there for so long. Very defensive but enthralling nonetheless!
Thats Terrible stuff!!another shokcing wide, wouldnt see this craic at a junior game
Kerry should really make hay here when they can. Rabbit in the headlight stuff from the Mayo men
Shocking wides by Kerry, mayo riding this storm well.
There not ridinmg the storm well at all, kerry are shocking in front of the net, and now give away a penalty, Poor enough Kerry team
Penalty from Mayos second attack?
Great man to win a free
Terrible wides by Kerry, good work by COC to get the penalty for Mayo out of nothing.
Keery should be at least 4 ahead and are now 2 behind, Mayo have been poor so far.
Where's the black card??
You throw yourself to the ground and you've at least an 80% chance of getting your free
Mayo lead by six and really could be six behind. :o
Why o why is that not a black card? The emphasis is on deliberate and that certainly was
Reilly is having a feckin nightmare
Threw himself down my arse. You're blind!! Mayo have to bury them now with the wind!
You can hold on to the ball as long as you like and take as many steps as it takes to run through the tackle.
See -no black cards at this time of the year. Yet anyway.
Kerry much more dangerous team so far, should be ahead.
Surely Mayo need to put someone else on Donaghy.
Mayos second goal their only score from play thus far they are only leading because Kerry are very wasteful with the many chances they have created.
For such a great footballer aidan oshea really is a tr**p of a man,diving and crying looking cards and then trying to grab maher by the privates,a complete tool
Would some referee please book a player for standing in front of a quick free or falling on top of a player to stop a quick free
On the basis of the first half I'll still be surprised if Kerry don't win this even still. Donaghy will wreak havoc against Cafferky with that wind if he gets the right ball in.
Kerry are the better team at the minute but some terrible shooting plus 2 goals is about a 10pts turn around
Jason Doherty has pulled out of 2 balls in that first half and deserves to get hooked for that alone. Kerry have destroyed Mayo so far and yet are 3 points down.
karma
Mayo 2-5
Dhera 1-4
that tackle would make u want to wear a rugby cap, serious clash there
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 30, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
Would some referee please book a player for standing in front of a quick free or falling on top of a player to stop a quick free
+1.
The very worst type of "cynicism".
Mayo are v poor yet.....
Quote from: cockahoop on August 30, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
For such a great footballer aidan oshea really is a tr**p of a man,diving and crying looking cards and then trying to grab maher by the privates,a complete tool
And
c**kahoop for a name.
Juvenile i know.
Mayo blessed to be 3 up. Kerry have been the better team and look good for another goal or two with those balls into Donaghy. Marvellous performance from O'Connor.
Think Mayo will still win put AOSe is some man for looking for frees and gesturing to the ref
I see Dara O Se on Sky Sports today instead of Peter ..
whats the ref at? the restart should be on time if they are on the field or note, hasnt a clue
Why is O'Connor off?
36,256 the attendance I thought it was to be a sell out?
Remember lads..throw yourself to the ground. The ref is buying it every time
Why was 15 minutes no sufficient to stitch up O'Se? Poor organisation by Mayo medical staff.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 30, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
Remember lads..throw yourself to the ground. The ref is buying it every time
Yes, Reilly is contributing to a stop start game, he is blowing far too much. Coldrick made a much better job last week.
now there a black card
black card for Fitzgerald. Bad news for kerry.
Jason Doherty made the exact same foul in the first half and got nothing! Both were black cards.
Did Moran throw himself to the ground there then?? Perfect example of a black card!
Keith Higgings getting roasted and hes a very good corner back, plus were Mayo supporters on here not arguing last year they had the best full back in the game, doesnt look so against a done old man
Plenty of goals: 2-6 each
Quote from: J OGorman on August 30, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
Remember lads..throw yourself to the ground. The ref is buying it every time
And again for the Kerry penalty!
Mayo have been piss poor, only one winner here.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2014, 06:07:08 PM
Keith Higgings getting roasted and hes a very good corner back
In fairness he prevented two Kerry goals with fine blocks.
Kerry playing with the full duvet out today.
Kerry very strong at midfield the day, 2 very big strong lads in the air though i cant understand why Mayo dont put 2 runners in the midfield as they not the fastest lads
Still level?
Class never leaves a legend. mighty score
kerry have give mayo 3 goals the day, keeper son what are you at, Mayo 1 up
Kerry keeper is cat. Could be the difference today.
Very poor goalkeeping there hard to believe Mayo are leading again.
Unbelievable how Mayo are still in this game. Donaghy and O'Donoghue destroying Mayo and their midfield are getting cleaned out, the game should be over.
McLoughlin wins so much breaking ball by just standing a couple of yards in front of the big guys jumping for the kickouts.
fed up listening to booing Mayo supporters, u the dubs in disguise
Quality wise its been a poor game. its only because its close that it is entertaining.
Tommy doesn't know the rules
Two very soft scoreable frees in a row for Kerry.
Some Mayo idiot there drawing on that ball in a danger area, cant see it right if it was a foul or not
Kerry deserve to win this, Mayo have been totally outplayed.
Ose should be off for that
Morrissey trying to hype it up as being a brilliant match when in reality it has been mediocre not helped by Reilly.
Jaysus keeper.
Keeper like WTF
For gods sake thats a dive
Kerry missed 2 chances there to put 2 in it.
Don't think that was a free.
Another great game this week, now extra time.
Great man to win a feee
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 06:31:58 PM
Morrissey trying to hype it up as being a brilliant match when in reality it has been mediocre not helped by Reilly.
+1
Thought Kerry were the better team over the 70 minutes and only for Aidan O Se Mayo would be dead and buried. However its a toss of a coin here now.
Unbelievable how Kerry with so much of the play didn't win that game.
Ah lads, you can't deny it's exciting stuff in a brilliant atmosphere. If you can't enjoy that I don't know what to say. And I don't see much wrong with the quality either, at least compared to some of the stuff we've watched this Summer.
Absolutely incredible match. Needs no hyping. The intensity is off the charts and there's been some special plays too. JOD and Higgins are having a battle for the ages.
They could make Croke Park after all.
Such an enjoyable game. This Limerick place seems to be alright ya know!
Fooking brilliant
Loving this savage commitment
Think Mayo will win now ..kerry have three senior citizens in defence now
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
Ah lads, you can't deny it's exciting stuff in a brilliant atmosphere. If you can't enjoy that I don't know what to say. And I don't see much wrong with the quality either, at least compared to some of the stuff we've watched this Summer.
That bit is true, but in terms of quality I think it has been ordinary. The pundits are doing their best to hype it. The goals sum it up. Three penalties, a goalkeeping mistake and 2 tap ins. Plenty of thrills and spills but the quality is mediocre.
Game of the year anyway - far surpasses last week.
Fionn can come back on now ?
a few seniors up front too lol
Just me or has Barry John Keane been terrible since he came on?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 30, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
Just me or has Barry John Keane been terrible since he came on?
Yep - never lifts his head
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
Ah lads, you can't deny it's exciting stuff in a brilliant atmosphere. If you can't enjoy that I don't know what to say. And I don't see much wrong with the quality either, at least compared to some of the stuff we've watched this Summer.
That bit is true, but in terms of quality I think it has been ordinary. The pundits are doing their best to hype it. The goals sum it up. Three penalties, a goalkeeping mistake and 2 tap ins. Plenty of thrills and spills but the quality is mediocre.
Mistakes in every game. We give out when the pundits are negative. Now, when they're appreciating it, we're still giving out.
Is Reilly related to Donaghy?
Poor decision OK.
Wonder is O'Donoghue right? Been a lot quieter since he was down injured.
Kerry getting frees an awful lot handier than Mayo are.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 30, 2014, 07:03:03 PM
Kerry getting frees an awful lot handier than Mayo are.
I think Reilly is one of those refs who favours the team who is behind. He'll try and make another draw of it if he can.
Donnacha Walsh couldn't buy a free - kerry aren't getting much from ref
Has Tommy Carr some Mayo connection ?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 30, 2014, 07:03:03 PM
Kerry getting frees an awful lot handier than Mayo are.
I think Reilly is one of those refs who favours the team who is behind. He'll try and make another draw of it if he can.
As poor a display by a ref as I have seen in a long time
Very poor from Reilly.
That free to Donaghy was a disgrace, then it was taken 10 metres in from where the "foul" was, then he let Donaghy away with acting the total tr**p not releasing the ball.........
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on August 30, 2014, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 30, 2014, 07:03:03 PM
Kerry getting frees an awful lot handier than Mayo are.
I think Reilly is one of those refs who favours the team who is behind. He'll try and make another draw of it if he can.
As poor a display by a ref as I have seen in a long time
Absolutely no consistency throughout the game, Coldrick is a much better referee than Reilly.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 30, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
Wonder is O'Donoghue right? Been a lot quieter since he was down injured.
Since he got punched by Ose ?
Whats the story with subs, are teams allowed extra in extra time? Some players out on their feet. Crowley and McLoughlin in particular are hardly fit to walk.
O'Donoghue gone off?
David Moran has had some game for Kerry, MOTM for me.
BJ Keane really not taking his chances. Getting enough ball.
Kerry lose this, look no further than BJ Keane, time and again the wrong decision
Keane has hit some wides since he has come in!
Barry John Keane, now that IS a one trick pony. Stick the head down, run and shoot.
Lazy effort from Sheehan. He should have enough energy left not to do that.
In all Honest Kerry deserve this, Mayo deserve credit for coming back time and time again but they lack the killer forward to win the game for them
Somebody said that an unknown sub might save the day, Jonathon Lyon for Kerry is one such.
Moran has been colossal.
David Moran the man of the match the night, Epic display from start to finish
what is that dickhead, fan and Mayo staff on the field for
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2014, 07:19:08 PM
David Moran the man of the match the night, Epic display from start to finish
Agreed stand out player.
Jaysus maor uisce and fans getting involved now.
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Drag that Cnut off >:(
Schemozzle!!!
Go on your big man took over 5 men to hold on to him!! :)
That big fan could break a few tackles
The game that has everything, even an old-fashioned faction fight at the end. All that's missing is an ould wan with a handbag.
That's a red for O'Connor surely.
looked a tad deliberate that kick
Quote from: Hardy on August 30, 2014, 07:22:02 PM
The game that has everything, even an old-fashioned faction fight at the end. All that's missing is an ould wan with a handbag.
I saw Declan O Sullivan in there
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 30, 2014, 07:23:33 PM
That's a red for O'Connor surely.
Ach sure it'll be overturned
You have to admire Kerry for keeping going, they have a touch of Crossmaglen about them.
Best side won and Kerry really should have won it in normal time.
Some scrapping with the guards going on. Surreal ending.
Mayo want to behave now.
Ref will do well to get off here!
Thought referee was terrible. Gave some phantom frees to kerry.
Ref gave Kerry some soft frees in that first period of extra time.
Disgraceful stuff at the end from those two Ulster teams
how can another man come in and catch a ball between 2 other men contesting a throw up ball when they all supposed to be 13m away. g wish we see a ref enforce the rules for a change. Teams come and go, Kerry made 6 finals or so in the 00`s, they made 2 in this decade, not a inch on the team of yesteryear they still about and that what counts
Kerry deserved it overall and will put it up to Dublin purely based on tradition even if they lack a bit of quality in certain areas. David Moran immense considering the injuries he has come back from. Feel for Mayo though suffering heartbreak yet again.
Hard luck Mayo lads. That's a tough one to take. No consolation but game of the year.
The young girl trying to get her Da off will be well scundered. Funny & sad.
Ref rode Mayo there. Kerry happy black card has been totally forgotten about.
Stupid by O Connor there at the end.
Subs decided it. Mayo didn't have the bench.
game of the year for closeness but the defending was not up to scratch and some of Kerry's shooting was shocking along with Mayo not having the forwards to see out the game
Quote from: bennydorano on August 30, 2014, 07:29:23 PM
The young girl will trying to get her Da off will be well scundered. Funny & sad.
Horrible scenes. Felt sorry for the young girl.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 30, 2014, 07:25:15 PM
You have to admire Kerry for keeping going, they have a touch of Crossmaglen about them.
Winner of the most parochial post of the year FFS !!!
Mayowr ran out of steam, hadn't the bench and hadn't the guile up front either.
Reilly a disaster.
Inconsistency of refs is ruining the game.
How in the name of god did O'Donoghue get MOTM? Moran was head and shoulders the best player on the field throughout, O'Donoghue played well and was dangerous but he didn't even last the full match.
Those two Kerry frees in extra time! FFS >:(
End was a farce. A brave Mayo effort and they have no reason not to hold head high.
Its a shame that Reilly will be one of the big talking points but I felt he prevented the game from being a better spectacle and never looked in control. That said the scenes at the end were shocking and no referee should have to run for cover to the dressing room. Mayo can feel hard done by on some of his decisions but overall they need to look at their own deficiencies first of all. I still think Kerry overall were the better side.
What time thon big Mayo eejit hope to achieve at the end there?
The Mayo free at the end of normal time wasnt a free from the look of it on TV
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
Its a shame that Reilly will be one of the big talking points but I felt he prevented the game from being a better spectacle and never looked in control. That said the scenes at the end were shocking and no referee should have to run for cover to the dressing room. Mayo can feel hard done by on some of his decisions but overall they need to look at their own deficiencies first of all. I still think Kerry overall were the better side.
I would in most cases agree but the referee today reaped what he sowed. Must have a Donaghy fan club. Also Kerry should have had at least three black cards. Let double hops go and touching on ground. Disgrace.
Feel very sorry for Mayo - not to say that Kerry didn't deserve but I thought they showed some incredible heart. A lot went against them, in particular the O'Shea/O'connor injuries took a lot of their momentum at the start of the second half.
I'm sure that a lot of people will be writing them off but I always think of the dubs in the 90s as an example of a time staying together and getting their reward. I hope they get theirs.
I won't say anything about Kerry until I know we're playing them, except congratulations.
PS - ten minutes of post match analysis and they haven't mentioned a twenty man brawl involving team officials and spectators. I'm not looking for a witch hunt but Jaysis, the three monkeys have nothing on it. The next time someone is assaulted on the pitch and the RTE panel take up the pitchforks, they'll have no credibility whatsoever.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 30, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 30, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
Its a shame that Reilly will be one of the big talking points but I felt he prevented the game from being a better spectacle and never looked in control. That said the scenes at the end were shocking and no referee should have to run for cover to the dressing room. Mayo can feel hard done by on some of his decisions but overall they need to look at their own deficiencies first of all. I still think Kerry overall were the better side.
I would in most cases agree but the referee today reaped what he sowed. Must have a Donaghy fan club. Also Kerry should have had at least three black cards. Let double hops go and touching on ground. Disgrace.
Yes he favoured Kerry on some crucial decisions but no referee deserves to be physically and verbally attacked by supporters. If it weren't for the stewards and security there could have been carnage. Considering the sensationalism on some previous incidents this year (Armagh v Cavan) its quite unbelievable that the pundits never even mentioned the disgraceful scenes at the end.
I'd say Paul Grimley is stewing now and he'd be right.
Some match, degraded into a brawl at the end. Ref was letting a lot go.
Where to for Mayo? This team is looking like going down with the Ros and Armagh sides of the 70s as one of the best teams to never win the big one.
It would be criminal if we ended up with Tipp-Kilkenny and Dublin-Kerry. Jimmy is the last man standing that can prevent the September apocalypse.
Mayo's Louth connection.
https://vine.co/v/OBOwX7U2A0p
Heartbreaking for Mayo. Such character but just fell short .
Must be the end of the road for Horan. There`ll be a few fellas dropping out after this but next year
is a clean slate and who knows what the next few years will bring.
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
Some match, degraded into a brawl at the end. Ref was letting a lot go.
Where to for Mayo? This team is looking like going down with the Ros and Armagh sides of the 70s as one of the best teams to never win the big one.
It would be criminal if we ended up with Tipp-Kilkenny and Dublin-Kerry. Jimmy is the last man standing that can prevent the September apocalypse.
wouldn't suit the country bumpkins all right
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2014, 07:45:15 PM
What time thon big Mayo eejit hope to achieve at the end there?
Can someone translate this into English for me?
Devastating for Mayo. Some heart but lack a couple of forwards really to win an AI. Cost them the game.
Feel for their fans- its torture for them
Kerry will be warm favourites for the final now.
Not easily moved.
https://vine.co/v/OBOvIK2K2V1
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
Some match, degraded into a brawl at the end. Ref was letting a lot go.
Where to for Mayo? This team is looking like going down with the Ros and Armagh sides of the 70s as one of the best teams to never win the big one.
It would be criminal if we ended up with Tipp-Kilkenny and Dublin-Kerry. Jimmy is the last man standing that can prevent the September apocalypse.
wouldn't suit the country bumpkins all right
Didn't know Kerry, Tipp and Kilkenny were big metropolises.. or do you have another AI already penciled in for next month?
Quote from: Clinker on August 30, 2014, 08:00:33 PM
Mayo's Louth connection.
https://vine.co/v/OBOwX7U2A0p
I saw that and the fecker deserved it. Up the AGS
Quote from: Clinker on August 30, 2014, 08:08:15 PM
Not easily moved.
https://vine.co/v/OBOvIK2K2V1
Do ya reckon that was his daughter?
Horrible game to lose. Mayo died with their boots on. Ref gave Donaghey some very soft frees. David Moran was MOM.
Peter Crowley was immense for Kerry.
Obviously they will be no match for the greatest team ever but order will be restored in due course.
How was the Kerry mammy today I wonder
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-features/video-kerry-mammy-loses-the-plot-in-injury-time-as-kingdom-battle-to-a-replay/
The big man destroyed all who marked him the day, why Mayo didn't put someone about 10m in front of him i dont know though the Kerry deliver from out the field was very good
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
Peter Crowley was immense for Kerry.
He should have been on the sideline midway through the second half on a black card.
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
Some match, degraded into a brawl at the end. Ref was letting a lot go.
Where to for Mayo? This team is looking like going down with the Ros and Armagh sides of the 70s as one of the best teams to never win the big one.
It would be criminal if we ended up with Tipp-Kilkenny and Dublin-Kerry. Jimmy is the last man standing that can prevent the September apocalypse.
wouldn't suit the country bumpkins all right
Didn't know Kerry, Tipp and Kilkenny were big metropolises.. or do you have another AI already penciled in for next month?
The ladies final as well. Try and keep up Syferus
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
The big fella from the schemozzle would have ate & shit Donaghy today.
Go on the big lad from the schemozzle!!
Haha
Quote from: Mano on August 30, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
Peter Crowley was immense for Kerry.
He should have been on the sideline midway through the second half on a black card.
I don't think so.
fwiw still don't know why Kerry didn't bring Fionn back on in extra time - new game isn't it ?
Hard luck to Mayo, some soft frees for Kerry indeed.
Shooting overall was very poor from both sides it appeared.
Time to get two refs minimum per game, nobody could have kept control of the nonsense that was happening on and off the ball.
Enjoyable match - I thought Donaghy one Moran would be motm
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
The Kerry players had been waiting for the water boy all week.
They were fairly aggrieved with regular choice comments directed to the Kerry players last week by him.
Hard luck Mayo. Marquee forward needed to get the key scores in tight games.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
Alan Mulholland is available. ;D
We'll gladly take Horan even though he's a bit of a dose.
Awaiting a new eBay listing 2nite from a young Mayo Girl,
Up for bid, Wanted to a good home:
One dysfunctional father,
traits: Die Hard Mayo Supporter,
Reasons for Sale: Kicked out by mun due to been a national embarrassment.
Any sensible offer (please just take him) will be considered!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
Not sure if that would change their fortune. A very decent squad of players but too many cameo type players this year. Likes of Moran & Dillon (and a few others). Fine players but in big matches today you have to contribute all the time you are on the pitch. One forward scoring in a half of football in a semi final is not good enough. If they could do what Kerry did and unearth a couple of pacey young forwards to give some new dimension it would make a difference.
Still thought they were unlucky today. Some tough calls against them.
Seriously who ever heard of Jonathan Lyne before this evening ?
Did he play minor or Sigerson ?
...
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2708131008-ten-questions-with-jonathan-lyne/
http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/749/Jonathan-Lyne
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
I think beating galway et al in Connacht is within the compass of most managers.
It's not a slight on Horan but you've no track record of winning AI's at any grade , so it must be hard to find someone who can talk to them about what it's like.
You need something at this stage.
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
Would agree Horan is the very reason for how far Mayo have come the last three years.
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 30, 2014, 08:51:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
Not sure if that would change their fortune. A very decent squad of players but too many cameo type players this year. Likes of Moran & Dillon (and a few others). Fine players but in big matches today you have to contribute all the time you are on the pitch. One forward scoring in a half of football in a semi final is not good enough. If they could do what Kerry did and unearth a couple of pacey young forwards to give some new dimension it would make a difference.
Still thought they were unlucky today. Some tough calls against them.
Horan has stayed too loyal to same players over last 4 years. There are better forwards in particular in Mayo, Coen, Regan, Sweeney, Kilcoyne but they have not had a look in. The banished Michael Jackson fan even can kick a score. The emphasis for Horan seems to be work rate rather than the ability to take a score.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
I think beating galway et al in Connacht is within the compass of most managers.
It's not a slight on Horan but you've no track record of winning AI's at any grade , so it must be hard to find someone who can talk to them about what it's like.
You need something at this stage.
Mayo have won U21, minor and club AIs since 2005. Try to keep up, Indy!
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
I thought they won AI minor championship, no?
1 championship in God knows how many years?
I can't see anyone revitalising this crew unless they can talk to them on a level what its like to win an AI.
That was heartbreak for players today- that would break any player today to bits. I feel really sorry for them. I really thought if they got to the final this year they'd win it
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
I think beating galway et al in Connacht is within the compass of most managers.
It's not a slight on Horan but you've no track record of winning AI's at any grade , so it must be hard to find someone who can talk to them about what it's like.
You need something at this stage.
Mayo have won U21, minor and club AIs since 2005. Try to keep up, Indy!
A lot of things have happened in the world since 2005 Syferus.
No Mayo teams has won a senior AI club title since 2005. the other levels are miles away from the last 4 of the inter county scene.
What's Mc Stay at? He helped Brigids win the AI club two years ago- was an All Star as a player etc.
Horan has done everything he can with this bunch- who'd be a manager after that heartbreak today.
Christ that was nerve wracking. Commiserations to Mayo, they were heroic. That Higgins v O'Donoghue duel encapsulated everything that is good about Gaelic football.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 30, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
What a stupid statement to make.I know you do not like Horan, but without him we would not be close to the holy grail
I think beating galway et al in Connacht is within the compass of most managers.
It's not a slight on Horan but you've no track record of winning AI's at any grade , so it must be hard to find someone who can talk to them about what it's like.
You need something at this stage.
Mayo have won U21, minor and club AIs since 2005. Try to keep up, Indy!
A lot of things have happened in the world since 2005 Syferus.
No Mayo teams has won a senior AI club title since 2005. the other levels are miles away from the last 4 of the inter county scene.
What's Mc Stay at? He helped Brigids win the AI club two years ago- was an All Star as a player etc.
Horan has done everything he can with this bunch- who'd be a manager after that heartbreak today.
McStay is biding his time until Johneen steps down, sure..
He works out of the Curragh now. Would be a huge commitment to do a senior county job, it was the move to the Curragh that caused him to only be with Brigids for a year. I reckon an U21 job in Mayo or Roscommon would be his ideal next job because it won't get in the way of his RTE gig but if the Rhubarbs come calling with the senior job.. who knows.
How in Gods name did David Moran not get man of the match on rte?
Who got it on Sky?
Whilst this was a good game it was not a classic. We will wait and see if Kerry are depleted for the final. As long as the CCCC teach the Nordie's a lesson (Armagh) brush today's handbag stuff under the carpet is the order of the day in Croke Park
Great game - both teams gave everything and it's hardly surprising things boiled over near the end as there was so much at stake after the level of effort that had been put in. I was really impressed again by James O'Donoghue, although didn't deserve to win man of the match (David Moran was the stand out candidate for that accolade), he was excellent again. After getting outplayed by the superb Keith Higgins in the first half, many lesser players would have accepted defeat in that personal duel but he kept battling away, showing for the ball and trying to make things happen and he ended up having the major say in the game. Overall, superb entertainment and i genuinely feel sorry for Mayo. Oh and that fat bloke shouldn't be allowed near a game again.
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 30, 2014, 09:28:34 PM
Whilst this was a good game it was not a classic. We will wait and see if Kerry are depleted for the final. As long as the CCCC teach the Nordie's a lesson (Armagh) brush today's handbag stuff under the carpet is the order of the day in Croke Park
The fact that the referee dealt with it gives them a get out.
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
Eh, can't be any worse than losing the finals?
I would say today is worse! This is the third year in a row they've failed and while you knew the last 2 years they would be back there is a serious doubt if this group have it in them to put in the effort/commitment for a 3rd time.
Unfortunately there is a mental frailty there that has stopped them getting to the promised land
1) Conceding Murphy's goal in 2011
2) Not taking advantage of Dublin pulling up towards the end of last years AIF
3) Throwing away a 5pt lead last week
4) McLoughlin not taking his goal on ET
Heartbreaking but fair play to Kerry. I hope they can beat the Dubs or at least make it a good game!!!
Quote from: galwayman on August 30, 2014, 09:26:19 PM
How in Gods name did David Moran not get man of the match on rte?
Who got it on Sky?
I'm guessing Tommy Carr picked it that's why. Moran was incredible today. What a great game, huge respect to both teams.
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
Eh, can't be any worse than losing the finals?
I would say today is worse! This is the third year in a row they've failed and while you knew the last 2 years they would be back there is a serious doubt if this group have it in them to put in the effort/commitment for a 3rd time.
Unfortunately there is a mental frailty there that has stopped them getting to the promised land
1) Conceding Murphy's goal in 2011
2) Not taking advantage of Dublin pulling up towards the end of last years AIF
3) Throwing away a 5pt lead last week
4) McLoughlin not taking his goal on ET
Heartbreaking but fair play to Kerry. I hope they can beat the Dubs or at least make it a good game!!!
Not realising Dublin had two players who couldn't walk for the last ten minutes of last years final
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 30, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
Eh, can't be any worse than losing the finals?
I would say today is worse! This is the third year in a row they've failed and while you knew the last 2 years they would be back there is a serious doubt if this group have it in them to put in the effort/commitment for a 3rd time.
Unfortunately there is a mental frailty there that has stopped them getting to the promised land
1) Conceding Murphy's goal in 2011
2) Not taking advantage of Dublin pulling up towards the end of last years AIF
3) Throwing away a 5pt lead last week
4) McLoughlin not taking his goal on ET
Heartbreaking but fair play to Kerry. I hope they can beat the Dubs or at least make it a good game!!!
That Mc loughlin chance was a half chance. Not so sure it was the glaring open goal Brolly talked about. Brolly loves seizing on a particular point to make it almost his entire overall point.
We're any Mayo players disciplined in the melee before O'Connor's last free. I think Donaghy and O'Sullivan were the only two booked.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2014, 09:18:50 PM
Christ that was nerve wracking. Commiserations to Mayo, they were heroic. That Higgins v O'Donoghue duel encapsulated everything that is good about Gaelic football.
+1
Higgins is superb.
A popular man now.
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Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: galwayman on August 30, 2014, 09:26:19 PM
How in Gods name did David Moran not get man of the match on rte?
Who got it on Sky?
I'm guessing Tommy Carr picked it that's why.
I shouted at the TV more times about Carr's inane comments than I did at the Ref today ;D
Agreed about Higgins he was fantastic!!!!
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2014, 09:18:50 PM
Christ that was nerve wracking. Commiserations to Mayo, they were heroic. That Higgins v O'Donoghue duel encapsulated everything that is good about Gaelic football.
+1
Higgins is superb.
He is. It was an epic battle between them. Everytime the ball went in you knew you were going to see class. The amount of times that Higgins disposessed him or got the block in was unreal but JOD stuck at it and answered a lot of critics who are just waiting for him to fall flat on his face. He still delivered against one of the best displays of corner back play that I have see. It was a privilege to watch it.
Last week was the time to win this one but we lacked the guile on the sideline to see it out. I don't know what it would have taken to win today, that was as shameful a refereeing performance as I ever seen at a match.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 30, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
Last week was the time to win this one but we lacked the guile on the sideline to see it out. I don't know what it would have taken to win today, that was as shameful a refereeing performance as I ever seen at a match.
Nah it wasn't ... He wasn't as terrible as people are making out it was a very hard game to referee!!
James Horan after stepping down and I don't know how any posters can defend the referee performance.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Seriously who ever heard of Jonathan Lyne before this evening ?
Did he play minor or Sigerson ?
...
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2708131008-ten-questions-with-jonathan-lyne/
http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/749/Jonathan-Lyne
He was one of the 10 players mentioned in the Independent to watch out for at the start of the start year http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaelic-football%2F14-rising-gaa-stars-to-watch-for-in-2014-29897130.html&ei=4z0CVPLmIqSv7AargIFA&usg=AFQjCNFunTVzIDBJQBHS0pNt7dpnEAczcQ
Kids drinking in a bus stop in Ardrahan are after taunting the poor Mayo lads. What hooligans :'(
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 30, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 08:55:26 PM
Seriously who ever heard of Jonathan Lyne before this evening ?
Did he play minor or Sigerson ?
...
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2708131008-ten-questions-with-jonathan-lyne/
http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/749/Jonathan-Lyne
He was one of the 10 players mentioned in the Independent to watch out for at the start of the start year http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaelic-football%2F14-rising-gaa-stars-to-watch-for-in-2014-29897130.html&ei=4z0CVPLmIqSv7AargIFA&usg=AFQjCNFunTVzIDBJQBHS0pNt7dpnEAczcQ
I don't think we've seen enough to pick him for the final but he definitely did the business when he came on.In my view, based on what I saw today, there is a serious question mark over Johnny Buckleys starting place now.
I don't think we've seen enough to pick him for the final but he definitely did the business when he came on.In my view, based on what I saw today, there is a serious question mark over Johnny Buckleys starting place now.
[/quote]. Agreed on Buckley. Very quiet today, thought he should have been called ashore much earlier. David Moran was man of match by a country mile, Crowley was also very impressive.
Can't believe Horan never put one of his biggest men in against Donaghy. Mayo have an embarrassment of riches around midfield and surely they could have worked on one of them during the last week to solely focus on neutralising Ciaran. Can't recall one clean catch or significant break away from him all game. One of Mickey Harte's greatest strengths in our prime was finding horses for courses to deal with unique threats like Star.
Kerry's 'nice men' imagine once again blown out of the water. Some ridiculous cynicism in the last half of extra time. Must be sickening to be In Sean Cavanagh's shoes watching that and not a peep about it.
Overall, a fantastic game which had me on the edge of my seat. Love watching those games when my team is not involved. Able to sit back and take it all in without the need to have the cardiac ambulance on standby. Fair play to both teams. Kerry will be in good shape with Cooper returning next year.
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on August 30, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
Last week was the time to win this one but we lacked the guile on the sideline to see it out. I don't know what it would have taken to win today, that was as shameful a refereeing performance as I ever seen at a match.
Nah it wasn't ... He wasn't as terrible as people are making out it was a very hard game to referee!!
Yes he was as terrible, and he made it a hard game to referee by not clamping down on the cynicism.
Dreadful performance by the ref.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
On a realistic level if Mayo are to win an AI soon it won't be with a Mayo manager.
It needs to be from a county who knows how to win AI's
Pig ignorant statement.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 30, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
Last week was the time to win this one but we lacked the guile on the sideline to see it out. I don't know what it would have taken to win today, that was as shameful a refereeing performance as I ever seen at a match.
Shameful?
What a load of bollocks!
Quote from: J70 on August 30, 2014, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on August 30, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
Last week was the time to win this one but we lacked the guile on the sideline to see it out. I don't know what it would have taken to win today, that was as shameful a refereeing performance as I ever seen at a match.
Shameful?
What a load of bollocks!
It was an absolute disgrace.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 30, 2014, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2014, 09:18:50 PM
Christ that was nerve wracking. Commiserations to Mayo, they were heroic. That Higgins v O'Donoghue duel encapsulated everything that is good about Gaelic football.
+1
Higgins is superb.
He is. It was an epic battle between them. Everytime the ball went in you knew you were going to see class. The amount of times that Higgins disposessed him or got the block in was unreal but JOD stuck at it and answered a lot of critics who are just waiting for him to fall flat on his face. He still delivered against one of the best displays of corner back play that I have see. It was a privilege to watch it.
It was a great battle alright.
To look at JOD's scoring stats you would think he roasted Higgins but he really didn't.
The amount of times Higgins turned him over or got a hand/block in was unreal.
Fantastic theater today!! :)
Mayo have come a long way under Horan who is a great leader who always had his men in peak conditions for battles and despite contrary opinion his men never lacked bottle or fight just a top class forward or two.However Horans critical weakness is/was his tactical game management and he was outfoxed by the wily Fitzmaurice today.Barry Moran was a disaster as was Cafferky and changes were to late.
Moran was awesome with Maher not far behind,Crowley is very unheralded but he is a real dog of war,The battle between Higgins and JOD was epic stuff,Donaghy bullied all and sundry and Mayo had no answers.
Referee was poor,I couldnt believe how many double hops and direct picks off the ground which were missed.He did the classic balancing act which did no merit the intrusion of a couple of hooligans at the end.
Kerry have every chance now and with a few tactical changes (I would get rid of Johnny Buckley no stomach for a fight at all) they will be extremely hard beat.
Just back home. That surely is the end of the road for some of that panel. Not that they're over the hill but they have too many mental scars at this stage. Young players need to be given their head now for the next run at it. The likes of Adam Gallagher, Evan Regan, Diarmuid O'Connor and others need to be given a chance. Look at what Fitzmaurice has done for Kerry and it's hard to say that he had better talent coming through.
Refereeing was poor in general, but nowhere near as biased as Mayo fans would lead you to believe. Pathetic display from those Mayo fans at the end.
Delighted to see Kerry go through in what was one of the most memorable games I have ever witnessed. You have to admire Kerry's sheer grit, and doggedness combined with sheer class, character and variety of gameplan-quite refreshing in this era of streamlined athleticism and systematic, non-emotive approach to the game. The Kerry greats would have been smiling down on this bunch of lads as they taught Mayo a lesson in football. It was said that Kerry wouldn't be able to live with Mayo's physicality within the confines of the Gaelic Grounds but by God they stood up today.
I thought that Mayo were getting away with a lot of pulling (short pulls) and dragging throughout the game-got away with a foot tap tackle similar to the Kerry black card incident also and then there was O'Shea flattening O'Donoghue. Kerry were also denied a goal chance when the ref deemed that a Kerry player fouled a Mayo Defender when he lost the ball close to the Mayo goal at a critical time in the game.
While I agree that Moran was a strong candidate for MOM, all his endeavors would have been fruitless without O'Donoghue consistently cutting through the Mayo defence like butter. For a period, the Donaghey/O'Donoghue combination was electrifying. (2-6 is some return for an All Ireland semi)
As a Tyrone man, I'm going to break the mold and say Kerry for Sam! I feel that we witnessed a herculean effort from a legendary team that are the most breathtaking to watch compared to any of other three teams in the semis.
Just in.
Wiped in midfield...think I heard we lost 18 consecutive kick outs?! Did well to stay in the game at all.
Ref atrocious, lost control early on.
Fair play to James, massive commitment for 4 years.
More later, going for a pint
Quote from: Chimley on August 30, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
Just back home. That surely is the end of the road for some of that panel. Not that they're over the hill but they have too many mental scars at this stage. Young players need to be given their head now for the next run at it. The likes of Adam Gallagher, Evan Regan, Diarmuid O'Connor and others need to be given a chance. Look at what Fitzmaurice has done for Kerry and it's hard to say that he had better talent coming through.
If Mayo have got ready replacements for the first team elders, then they truly have a wealth of talent available.
They were magnificent throughout both games, apart from a dodgy first half last time.
Yet another enthralling game, though I was watching it on a sky+ recording which fizzled out just as Kerry went a point ahead in the 2nd half of ET.
It's a task to work out who deserved it more, my bias would be that Kerry were more than worthy winners.
Mayo were out on their feet at the end as we were last Sunday too. I wonder how much playing with 14 just six days ago affected their legs in the vital extra time.
Being very harsh on ref. That was a seriously physical game and ref didn't do too bad. Missed a few decision for both teams. If I were to state one thing that cost Mayo I'd say it was the sideline being too slow to change. Donaghy caused total chaos, they got a warning in the 1st game and still learnt nothing and left a man on him today for 67min despite him not even competing in the air. Mayo were also surprisingly very poor at midfield. Hard to see them come back but wasnt refs fault they lost to better team on the day.
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
Being very harsh on ref...
He has form, alas.
Great contest, and well done Kerry after an epic tussle --- tough on Mayo, but both tanks well and truly emptied.
What a game thought Mayo had it well done Lyne
What was with Mayo getting cleaned at MF alright?? Maher and Moran completely dominated it and Mayo did nothing to try and turn the tide especially on their own kick out surely they had some kind of short kick strategy when it wasn't working for them out the field... Even bringing Parsons on earlier would have stemmed the tide a bit!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2014, 11:58:01 PM
What was with Mayo getting cleaned at MF alright?? Maher and Moran completely dominated it and Mayo did nothing to try and turn the tide especially on their own kick out surely they had some kind of short kick strategy when it wasn't working for them out the field... Even bringing Parsons on earlier would have stemmed the tide a bit!!
We were wiped out around the middle alright. Normally that is our strength but we were never able to gain a foothold this evening. I'm surprised we got so close with the amount of ball we lost on kickouts.
Replays normally never up to the first game, but today was pure gold. It doesn't come much better than today's game - yes there were plenty of mistakes and poor play but you just couldn't take your eyes off it. Credit to both teams. Over the course of 2 games, Kerry just about deserved it in my view.
Very entertaining game if not of the greatest quality ever seen.
Reilly lost control early, but the players knew going in that he'd be reluctant to show any red cards after what happened with Keegan. There was real needle and there were incidents all over the place. I thought it was a poor refereeing performance with Kerry getting several very soft decisions.
James Horan has done a fine job with Mayo but he was never able to organise a full back line and it has been a consistent blind spot for him. Donaghy caused Mayo problems all day and they never got to grips with him. Mayo probably need a fresh voice at this stage if they're to ever get over the line with this team. They probably won't anyway now.
Mayo's running style told against them in extra-time. They aren't less fit than Kerry but the way they play is more punishing. Kerry let the ball do the work far more. Mayo needed to be more direct and let the ball in to the full forward line more in extra-time - they kept playing it around outside the 45 when there was space inside.
Limerick coped just fine as a venue and all the bullshit written during the week was just that. Only 36,000 turned up. Doubt it would have been much more at Croke Park.
What a game thought Mayo had it well done Lyne .keith Higgins some defender
higgins is a good defender but what did his man score of him the day?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 01:49:10 AM
higgins is a good defender but what did his man score of him the day?
He scored 2-6 I believe but you cant count the two penalties against Higgins. I think he scored about 2 or 3 from play ??.
but you are missing the point. As a Kerry fan watching that game I can tell you Higgins was immense. I was screaming at O'Donoghue to play it safe, lay it off but he didn't listen and kept going for it and Higgins kept stopping him. I'd say Higgins won most of the one on one battles either dispossessing, blocking or forcing him to lay it off but JOD still did damage with that little space that he got and that's why it was so great to watch. The supreme corner back denying the supreme corner forward but the corner forward still being deadly off scraps.
Think 4 from play, its OK been on the ball and showing all the time but i rather have my corner back not been seen along with the man he was on, O`Donghue missed a sitter from 20m early on and the Donaghy goal came off a deflected shot from the same man.when u look at that plus free for a debatable penalty, Higgins give him enough room to do damage, mayo should have played a man in front of him but to be honest this was likely more required in front of the fullback as most of the problems and result goals and penalties came from here.
The ref was poor but that not why mayo lost the game, you went 6 up early on, and where in control then threw it away, didn't change the full back who was getting destroyed, very poor at midfield, no top class forwards, maybe Mayo fans should look at them reasons for losing the game. The point to take the game into extra time didn't look like a free to level it, Kerry got some dubious frees in extra time but i thought Kerry Had the match won in normal time.
The great game hides the fact that Kerry were very poor in the 1st half in the scoring dept plus all goals give away probably slack , though O`Connor did good work for the penalty.
What happened at the end is unacceptable when a ref has to run off the field, the Garda should have arrested the pitch encroaches, maybe then it stop Dick running onto the field, it was nearly a re-run of the Louth - Meath game 4yrs ago with people trying to tackle the ref.
Quote from: Itchy on August 30, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
Being very harsh on ref. That was a seriously physical game and ref didn't do too bad. Missed a few decision for both teams. If I were to state one thing that cost Mayo I'd say it was the sideline being too slow to change. Donaghy caused total chaos, they got a warning in the 1st game and still learnt nothing and left a man on him today for 67min despite him not even competing in the air. Mayo were also surprisingly very poor at midfield. Hard to see them come back but wasnt refs fault they lost to better team on the day.
The referee was shit absolute horse shit.
Can only imagine what the reaction would have been had Armagh been involved in the scenes near the end.
As for the outcry against Aaron Findon for shoving the Donegal team doctor a few weeks ago, I'm guessing there'll be a similar response to the beahviour of some of the Kerry players who grappled with the member of the Mayo coaching staff?
We had the winning of it in our own hands, but in a game that was bound to be "tipped by a grain of rice" to have that many big decisions go against you at vital times makes it almost impossible to get over the finish line.
The only bottling done today was done by the referee
Thought Reilly had a decent game in normal time tbh penalty calls were all reasonable and only mistake on cards was not giving Enright a black.
He lost the plot a little in extra time though, the free against Keane as he went for a ball with Donaghy was ridiculous, and a crucial one, as Mayo were two up iirc. The next one against Boyle was harsh too.
Apart from that he was ok. A referee trying to control a game that fast on a pitch that big is going to make a few mistakes over the course of 90 minutes.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2014, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 01:49:10 AM
higgins is a good defender but what did his man score of him the day?
4 points?
You will also notice that the second penalty that O'Donoghue got was not a penalty. The Referee hastily awarded this. He then consulted his umpire who told him Cafferkey had got the ball first. So he could not give him the Card he should have as he realised he had made a mistake, but he could not over rule the penalty decision.
slide tackle, definite peno!
Hard luck to Mayo. Exciting game but a lot of cynicism in it especially near the end. This business of players lying on the ball and throwing it away to stop quick frees should be a black card offence as it causes a lot of frustration and led to the fracas at the end. Ref gave some soft frees to Kerry in extra time so you can understand Mayo's annoyance with him. It was a hard game to ref as was physical from the start. Last weeks 2nd half was better for pure football but both games were great entertainment.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 31, 2014, 07:18:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2014, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 01:49:10 AM
higgins is a good defender but what did his man score of him the day?
4 points?
You will also notice that the second penalty that O'Donoghue got was not a penalty. The Referee hastily awarded this. He then consulted his umpire who told him Cafferkey had got the ball first. So he could not give him the Card he should have as he realised he had made a mistake, but he could not over rule the penalty decision.
slide tackle, definite peno!
There is no rules against a "slide tackle" as you call it - this is not soccer.
The only argument Reilly could make is that it was dangerous play
A slide tackle 8/10 times will get blown up as dangerous play on a football pitch.
Even in soccer its dodgy trying one.
Referees in gaelic football often decide the big games. His wrong decisions gave kerry 7 points in normal time.
So which is it....
A) Kerry were the better team overall and deserved to win, despite the referee giving them a few handy frees
B) Kerry were clearly second best and the referee outrageously robbed Mayo
C) Both teams were pretty evenly matched and the referee possibly helped Kerry shade it with 1 or 2 debatable calls.
C for me. I thought the referee was shite throughout, and the rte panel should have focused more on this.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2014, 02:12:20 AM
Quote from: Sidney on August 31, 2014, 01:10:29 AM
Very entertaining game if not of the greatest quality ever seen.
Reilly lost control early, but the players knew going in that he'd be reluctant to show any red cards after what happened with Keegan. There was real needle and there were incidents all over the place. I thought it was a poor refereeing performance with Kerry getting several very soft decisions.
James Horan has done a fine job with Mayo but he was never able to organise a full back line and it has been a consistent blind spot for him. Donaghy caused Mayo problems all day and they never got to grips with him. Mayo probably need a fresh voice at this stage if they're to ever get over the line with this team. They probably won't anyway now.
Mayo's running style told against them in extra-time. They aren't less fit than Kerry but the way they play is more punishing. Kerry let the ball do the work far more. Mayo needed to be more direct and let the ball in to the full forward line more in extra-time - they kept playing it around outside the 45 when there was space inside.
Limerick coped just fine as a venue and all the bullshit written during the week was just that. Only 36,000 turned up. Doubt it would have been much more at Croke Park.
Were you in Limerick?
I certainly was.
Either team deserved to win. Fairly even overall. Wrong decisions made the difference.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 02:06:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 01:49:10 AM
higgins is a good defender but what did his man score of him the day?
He scored 2-6 I believe but you cant count the two penalties against Higgins. I think he scored about 2 or 3 from play ??.
but you are missing the point. As a Kerry fan watching that game I can tell you Higgins was immense. I was screaming at O'Donoghue to play it safe, lay it off but he didn't listen and kept going for it and Higgins kept stopping him. I'd say Higgins won most of the one on one battles either dispossessing, blocking or forcing him to lay it off but JOD still did damage with that little space that he got and that's why it was so great to watch. The supreme corner back denying the supreme corner forward but the corner forward still being deadly off scraps.
Absolutely fantastic to watch the battle between 2 class players. Both did very well. With blanket defences now in vogue we rarely get the chance to watch a class forward being marked and marked well by just one player. Treat to watch. I don't like criticising refs and usually the mistakes balance out but on this occasion I just felt mayo ended up with the worst of the decisions.
Epic game! Two valiant teams, both with unquenchable spirit. Having lived through every game of the 1991 Dublin/Meath saga I can empathise with Mayo supporters this morning. It's a terrible feeling to come out on the wrong side of a contest like that. After twenty three years I can still feel the desolation of that Sunday morning after the final game.
Well done to both teams.
Mayo will look back on the past few years and wonder where that final ingredient was. A tiring Dublin made it over the line, an average Kerry side (albeit with a few exceptional players sprinkled throughout) scraped past them.
Ultimately they had their chances and failed to take them. They had opportunities to put their foot on Kerry's neck yesterday and in the previous game but let the get back off the floor.
A shame such a dedicated bunch of players failed to lift Sam but its not given out on sentimentality.
How Mayo were ahead after 20 mins was baffling.
They hadn't played at all.
Kerry were the better team overall.
Mayo got a few handy frees from the referee too.
I don't think he decided anything
Kerry were the better team overall and deserved their win, the ref made some dodgy decisions against both sides, will the Gooch be ready for a cameo in the final? Overall a cracking game with great performances from some players on both sides but especially Donaghy and Moran for Kerry.
Congrats to mike and the Kerry lads. Whatever way you look at it the best team won. It was a remarkable game where both sides gave their souls to the cause.
We are a lucky country to have these sports
James horan is a true leader and him and his team deserved more. All is not lost as these men have inspired young mayo bucks watching over the last few years. That's why we keep coming back for more.
Roll on 2015 and the FBD and best of luck to the new management team.
Maigh Eo go deo.
Looking back, not long after Mayo got their last point (some 17 minutes from the end of the match), Barry John Keane dived into Colm Boyle's leg and won a very easy pointed free. He actually injured Boyle in the process and pretty much nullified him completely for the remainder of the game. Big swings in little things.
Horan , Horan, Horan........ If you would have read this thread during the week you would have seen me point out that Donaghy was the danger and Cafferky was not the man.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 10:42:11 AM
Looking back, not long after Mayo got their last point (some 17 minutes from the end of the match), Barry John Keane dived into Colm Boyle's leg and won a very easy pointed free. He actually injured Boyle in the process and pretty much nullified him completely for the remainder of the game. Big swings in little things.
Few clinker moments like that tipped it.
Looked at the midfield stats, sweet Jesus, worse than it seemed then being there. Very few short options on and the few that were ,missed by Robbie.
Cillian playing the 2nd half with one eye practically too.
The Enright pull down for the peno having just got a yellow, yellow + black = red.
It was a very hard match to ref, ferociously intense but just my gut feeling, a biased one I admit. Reilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Thanks AZ for route in Old Cratloe road..no problems with journey or venue, even if it didn't feel like a AI Semi at all.
Credit to James Horan. Unreal difference from that faithful day in Longford. High standards that he implemented must be maintained or could easily slip back.
QuoteReilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Didn't hear how Keegan was allowed to play. What was the reason given for rescinding the Red card? Who'd be referee when their decisions are over turned like this.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
QuoteReilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Didn't hear how Keegan was allowed to play. What was the reason given for rescinding the Red card? Who'd be referee when their decisions are over turned like this.
Something as minor that won't stop Wild Horse Duffy.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
QuoteReilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Didn't hear how Keegan was allowed to play. What was the reason given for rescinding the Red card? Who'd be referee when their decisions are over turned like this.
Loophole. Coldrick wrote he sent him off for kicking instead of attempting to kick because didn't make contact. Reilly was the linesman who called it to Coldrick.
Hard to believe the Best Mayo team in 60 years couldn't beat the Worst Kerry team in 30 years.
Debate about refereeing and the rules in the media is of primary school standard. Most of the people commenting haven't a clue what they're talking about. Tommy Carr was talking on the radio before the match yesterday and I was laughing at the utter nonsense of what he was saying. There are too many pundits out there who argue for what effectively is a "nod and a wink" culture of discipline where stuff is brushed under the carpet. Carr once aimed one of the filthiest kicks across the legs of an opponent (a potential leg breaker) that I've ever seen and tried to weasel out of what was a deserved six month suspension. He sums up that culture.
Cormac Reilly was poor - there's no doubt about that, but the players made it difficult for him. He needed to lay down a marker. He should probably have sent off Cillian O'Connor and Shane Enright early on and Enright should certainly have gone after the penalty incident. But my main grievance with him was that he gave too many soft frees to Kerry, which tipped the balance in their favour. Watching the replay on Sky Sports 3 here and it has to be said the first penalty was very soft, although it looked like a penalty on the live viewing (I was at that end).
What happened with Lee Keegan undermined Reilly going in, it undermined the role of whoever the referee was. That set the tone for the nonsense yesterday.
Christy O Connor mentioned on twitter that David Moran had 47 possessions & won 9 kickouts. The most possessions any Mayo player had was 19.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 31, 2014, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
QuoteReilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Didn't hear how Keegan was allowed to play. What was the reason given for rescinding the Red card? Who'd be referee when their decisions are over turned like this.
Loophole. Coldrick wrote he sent him off for kicking instead of attempting to kick because didn't make contact. Reilly was the linesman who called it to Coldrick.
I don't understand this thing about "no contact" with the Keegan incident. His foot may not have made contact but his shin definitely did. What's a kick? Does the GAA rulebook define what a kick is? Is it purely with the foot? If you make contact with another part of the leg, is that a kick? If you aim with the fot and make contact with the shin, I can't see how that isn't a kick.
Thought ref got all the penalty decisions right. Enright should have got a black/2nd yellow card for Mayo penalty. Can't believe Horan had no plan for donaghy. Destroyed Cafferky and then Horan puts a small guy in Keane on to mark him. Could see him trying to wind up donaghy with shoulders when he came on and donaghy just laughing at him. Lack of forward power was a problem again. McLaughlin taking a point in extra time when a top class forward would have went for goal. Goal then would have finished it. Kerry's bench made a big difference, fresh legs in the forwards kicked some vital points. Mayo just didn't have that. Only threat came from Cillian O'Connor
Having just seen the second Kerry penalty for the first time on TV I think it was probably correctly given. It was a contested ball there to be hit. Cafferkey got there first but only because he blocked the arc of O'Donoghue's kicking action so it was effectively a foot/leg block.
I do think O'Donoghue went down terribly easily for the first however.
Two enthralling games of football. Both teams deserve great credit.
On balance Kerry just about deserved it. There was more variety to their play yesterday than Mayo's. Mayo had no out ball when their running game was stopped. Kerry could mix it up a bit more with Donaghy on the edge of the square. Towards the end of Jack O'Connor's reign I thought they became a little bit too obsessed with the high delivery into Donaghy and it became one dimensional. Yesterday they varied it to great effect. Their kick passing around the middle of the field was superb.
Mayo were wiped out on the kickouts by Moran and Maher. It is to their credit that the managed to hang in there despite being so comprehensively beaten at midfield. Horan can leave with his head held high. No doubt he made a few mistakes along the way but he oversaw a huge improvement in this Mayo team over the last few years. It's hard to say whether or not they will go backwards now. Some of their key men have quite a bit of mileage on the clock but you would still expect them to have enough to win the Connacht championship next year and be in the latter stages.
The refereeing in both games was godawful but I don't believe it was the difference between the two teams.
Id have to differ DH, when mayo eent two ahead in ET they had huge momentum, dealt with both kerry attacks, only to penalised unfairly by two ridiculous decisions. If they had to have had continued with play Mayo could have set up a counter attack on both occassions, never mind the huge lift it would have given the whole team to turn the ball over twice in quick succession, when its just ten mins each way it was hugely signifigant. On another note I think extra time should be scrapped, the second half of it in particular was farcical with players from both sides out on their feet. Aidan Omahony in particular looked in a bad way.
Should Donehy not have received a Black Card at the end when the ball had to weaseled from him? Wouldn't have changed the result but I thought that this was now a Black Card offence.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Should Donehy not have received a Black Card at the end when the ball had to weaseled from him? Wouldn't have changed the result but I thought that this was now a Black Card offence.
I think the black cards have been abandoned with. Fionn Fitzgerald was just testing to see if was still in use with his foul.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Should Donehy not have received a Black Card at the end when the ball had to weaseled from him? Wouldn't have changed the result but I thought that this was now a Black Card offence.
Nope!
Slow motion from the terrace and easier to view on full screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfiKPoppxw
Anyone get a program yesterday?
Who was 26 for Kerry? Threw Aidan O'Sheas boot into the crowd after the messing at the end.
Quote from: ardtole on August 31, 2014, 12:18:57 PM
Id have to differ DH, when mayo eent two ahead in ET they had huge momentum, dealt with both kerry attacks, only to penalised unfairly by two ridiculous decisions. If they had to have had continued with play Mayo could have set up a counter attack on both occassions, never mind the huge lift it would have given the whole team to turn the ball over twice in quick succession, when its just ten mins each way it was hugely signifigant. On another note I think extra time should be scrapped, the second half of it in particular was farcical with players from both sides out on their feet. Aidan Omahony in particular looked in a bad way.
Others say extra-time should be brought in for the first match. Opinions, opinions.
I would stick with the current system. Of course some of the players were out on their feet but that's part of what makes it these rare occasions so exciting.
It is quite clear from listening to this match and a few others this year that Tommy Carr does not know the new rules (and probably some of the old ones) which you would think would rule him out of being a pundit. For the last black card which was absolutely a stone wall black card he started muttering about how the ref was going to give a yellow. When Barry John Keane got advantage, shot and missed and the ball was brought back Tommy was unsure if this was the rule - Yes, Tommy that is the rule. My favourite though was when Mayo were 6 points up and there was a potential black card that should have went to a Kerry player, Tommy said it didn't matter as it was academic because you can bring on a sub!! When we saw Aidan O Shea on the sideline, his legs up on a bench and a doctor working on his head minutes after he went off with blood pouring down his face, Tommy was very informative telling us that it was not a leg injury as his legs were up on the bench - comedy gold.
Seriously, who decided this guy should be let on the TV or radio and was it him that picked the MOM?
When you hear this craic, it make me wonder who the hell hired him to manage so many teams, including Cavan.
In fairness to Carr, who I don't think is great, for the last incident he said the ref would give a yellow, not that he should. That is fair comment.
I tell you what need added to a black card category, the 3rd/4th man entering into a fracas whether to spilt up or to add to the problem should be seeing the bench, it would automatically cut these rows out by 50%
Quote from: hardstation on August 31, 2014, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
Should Donehy not have received a Black Card at the end when the ball had to weaseled from him? Wouldn't have changed the result but I thought that this was now a Black Card offence.
Is it a deliberate trip, body collide, pull down?
Abusive or provocative language to other players?
Remonstrating aggressively with match officials?
If not, it's not a black card.
It is, however, very annoying and cynical shite and something he should get put off for.
+1
Fair comment.
Quote from: ardtole on August 31, 2014, 12:18:57 PM
Id have to differ DH, when mayo eent two ahead in ET they had huge momentum, dealt with both kerry attacks, only to penalised unfairly by two ridiculous decisions. If they had to have had continued with play Mayo could have set up a counter attack on both occassions, never mind the huge lift it would have given the whole team to turn the ball over twice in quick succession, when its just ten mins each way it was hugely signifigant.
First of all Donaghy had actually won the ball in a dangerous position for the first free so there was no turn over or counter attack on for Mayo. Besides when Donaghy was running out for the ball you could see Keane grab his arm, so technically I thought this was a foul before they both contested the ball. I thought the next one was very soft but on slow viewing Boyle clearly knees him in the chest and the ref to be fair was standing right in front of this. The griping about this is over done. Mayo have benefited from a lot of easy frees in this championship. The better team won overall but credit Mayo for an amazing never say die attitude. There was nothing left in the tank in the end and Kerry had players who could take their scores with a little more ease. Think Horan should have gave it another year as he still has a great panel to work with but the time spent was obviously immense over the last 4 years.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 31, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
It is quite clear from listening to this match and a few others this year that Tommy Carr does not know the new rules (and probably some of the old ones) which you would think would rule him out of being a pundit. For the last black card which was absolutely a stone wall black card he started muttering about how the ref was going to give a yellow. When Barry John Keane got advantage, shot and missed and the ball was brought back Tommy was unsure if this was the rule - Yes, Tommy that is the rule. My favourite though was when Mayo were 6 points up and there was a potential black card that should have went to a Kerry player, Tommy said it didn't matter as it was academic because you can bring on a sub!! When we saw Aidan O Shea on the sideline, his legs up on a bench and a doctor working on his head minutes after he went off with blood pouring down his face, Tommy was very informative telling us that it was not a leg injury as his legs were up on the bench - comedy gold.
Seriously, who decided this guy should be let on the TV or radio and was it him that picked the MOM?
When you hear this craic, it make me wonder who the hell hired him to manage so many teams, including Cavan.
I just ignore the clown now Myles. It probably was him that picked MOM as it was clear to everyone with a modicum of knowledge of the game that David Moran was head and shoulders above everyone on the field.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 31, 2014, 12:54:20 PM
Anyone get a program yesterday?
Who was 26 for Kerry? Threw Aidan O'Sheas boot into the crowd after the messing at the end.
The program names Pa Kilkenny, of Glenbeigh/Glencar, as Kerry's 26.
Quote from: Clinker on August 31, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
Slow motion from the terrace and easier to view on full screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfiKPoppxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfiKPoppxw)
Psycho de Mayo!
But when is this shite going to be stopped? Will those clowns from the crowd be prosecuted like the Louth hooligans of 2010? Or will nothing happen just because the lads in the studio didn't mention it? That seems to be the criterion. Where else would the fat clown not only not be arrested, but get shown back to the terrace by a steward like an usher in a cinema?
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 31, 2014, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 31, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
It is quite clear from listening to this match and a few others this year that Tommy Carr does not know the new rules (and probably some of the old ones) which you would think would rule him out of being a pundit. For the last black card which was absolutely a stone wall black card he started muttering about how the ref was going to give a yellow. When Barry John Keane got advantage, shot and missed and the ball was brought back Tommy was unsure if this was the rule - Yes, Tommy that is the rule. My favourite though was when Mayo were 6 points up and there was a potential black card that should have went to a Kerry player, Tommy said it didn't matter as it was academic because you can bring on a sub!! When we saw Aidan O Shea on the sideline, his legs up on a bench and a doctor working on his head minutes after he went off with blood pouring down his face, Tommy was very informative telling us that it was not a leg injury as his legs were up on the bench - comedy gold.
Seriously, who decided this guy should be let on the TV or radio and was it him that picked the MOM?
When you hear this craic, it make me wonder who the hell hired him to manage so many teams, including Cavan.
I just ignore the clown now Myles. It probably was him that picked MOM as it was clear to everyone with a modicum of knowledge of the game that David Moran was head and shoulders above everyone on the field.
Moran was fantastic. But, as Mike Sheehy and others have pointed out, the duel between Higgins and O'Donoghoe was the most entertaining sport of the year so far for me. Absolutely riveting and a reminder that Gaelic football was originally conceived as a series of man-on-man contests.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 31, 2014, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 31, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
It is quite clear from listening to this match and a few others this year that Tommy Carr does not know the new rules (and probably some of the old ones) which you would think would rule him out of being a pundit. For the last black card which was absolutely a stone wall black card he started muttering about how the ref was going to give a yellow. When Barry John Keane got advantage, shot and missed and the ball was brought back Tommy was unsure if this was the rule - Yes, Tommy that is the rule. My favourite though was when Mayo were 6 points up and there was a potential black card that should have went to a Kerry player, Tommy said it didn't matter as it was academic because you can bring on a sub!! When we saw Aidan O Shea on the sideline, his legs up on a bench and a doctor working on his head minutes after he went off with blood pouring down his face, Tommy was very informative telling us that it was not a leg injury as his legs were up on the bench - comedy gold.
Seriously, who decided this guy should be let on the TV or radio and was it him that picked the MOM?
When you hear this craic, it make me wonder who the hell hired him to manage so many teams, including Cavan.
I just ignore the clown now Myles. It probably was him that picked MOM as it was clear to everyone with a modicum of knowledge of the game that David Moran was head and shoulders above everyone on the field.
When the game was two minutes over and a draw Tommy Truck said that a point would probably win it. Very insightful. Just one example of stupid things he came out with. An absolute joke that the tv licence gives him a wage after the worst piece of co commentary I ever heard.
And how Moran didn't get motm I don't know.
The annual torture is over till next year thankfully.
Firstly, the ref.
He was atrocious but Kerry adapted to him far better than we did. He gaves frees to anyone that looked for one. But he never considered the persistent fouling. So while we tackled with a turnover in mind, sometimes risking a free, Kerry simply conceeded the free to stop our running game.
So with a running game ruled out by the ref, the only solution was the long and/or high ball. We didn't play it and never dealt with Kerry playing it.
David Moran gave an absolutely tremendous performance. Only Tom Parsons made any positive impact for us in the middle. The collision between AOS and COC was a disaster for us, to have to play without both when we had them under the cosh was very significant. And I think COC had scored something like 2-4 at that stage and hardly scored again. He looked concussed to me and his fumble in extra time was totally uncharacteristic.
The battle between Higgins and O'Donoghue was a game worth watching in its own right. Two magnificent players going at it, fairly, for the whole saga was worth any entrance fee, or trip to Limerick.
Well done Kerry, their game winning know-how got them over the line in the end. And their ability to play to a crap refereeing performance as against our failure to deal with it, was very significant. This last point will close the obvious playing gap between them and Dublin <edit: eh Donegal> and should not be underestimated.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 31, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
So which is it....
A) Kerry were the better team overall and deserved to win, despite the referee giving them a few handy frees
B) Kerry were clearly second best and the referee outrageously robbed Mayo
C) Both teams were pretty evenly matched and the referee possibly helped Kerry shade it with 1 or 2 debatable calls.
A the answer.
This makes it even worse for Mayo. Ye had the belief to beat Donegal. Donegal going for immortality and Mayo left to take stock. Fine margins.
Clarification of advantage rule
Take a player running towards goal who is within shooting distance and he is being fouled but manages to get away from the offender. The referee raises his hand in the air and allows the player five seconds.
If the five seconds elapses and the player shoots and misses, his advantage was over and play should not be brought back. However, if he shoots and misses within the five seconds play can be brought back for the appropriate foul.
So it "can" be called back not "must" be called back.Common sense (and dare I say fair play) would dictate that if the attacker then has an Unimpeded shot at goals and misses, the shot should be called wide.
Did Reilly raise his arm to indicate the was playing the advantage-I don't recall him doing so
He raised his hand
Look at the end of the day, we have never been as close over the last 3 years , I don't believe teams that have won it have been better as in the context of a definite line as to why we didn't succeed , we were very unlucky in this era and ye can mock if ye want but I'm fuckin devastated , I feel like someone has died tonight. I'm exhausted and drained from it all but will be back cheering them on come the league next year like thousands more besides.
Mayo till I die.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 31, 2014, 07:53:38 PM
Look at the end of the day, we have never been as close over the last 3 years , I don't believe teams that have won it have been better as in the context of a definite line as to why we didn't succeed , we were very unlucky in this era and ye can mock if ye want but I'm fuckin devastated , I feel like someone has died tonight. I'm exhausted and drained from it all but will be back cheering them on come the league next year like thousands more besides.
Mayo till I die.
Ballagh's still in Roscommon though.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 31, 2014, 07:53:38 PM
Mayo till I die.
Have you no fcukin ambition at all ? :(
Larry I am a 54- year old born and bred Londoner whose parents are from South Mayo but it still hurt.
We didn't get beaten out the gate by half-time so we are closing the gap.
Yesterday we were beaten by a slightly better team, even before the game I just didn't think we were good enough to win AI.
Pick yourself up and dust yourself down, we will be back next year.
Quote from: chrissears on August 31, 2014, 08:28:09 PM
Larry I am a 54- year old born and bred Londoner whose parents are from South Mayo but it still hurt.
We didn't get beaten out the gate by half-time so we are closing the gap.
Yesterday we were beaten by a slightly better team, even before the game I just didn't think we were good enough to win AI.
Pick yourself up and dust yourself down, we will be back next year.
With the right management in place we will. If not I really worry.
I noticed that with Spillane alright.
It's Donegals for the winning I'd say.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2014, 08:51:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
This makes it even worse for Mayo. Ye had the belief to beat Donegal. Donegal going for immortality and Mayo left to take stock. Fine margins.
This makes nothing worse. This result had no relevance to how much of a chance we had of winning an AI if we had got there. Do you honestly think we would have more a chance of beating Donegal than Dublin? Honestly? I could see Pat Spillane licking his lips after the game. He is in for a shock.
Playing Donegal at a truly neutral venue rather than the superstar Dubs at home? Absolutely it is more doable for Mayo. In another life it would be Mayo and not Donegal going for their second AI in three years next month - very little between those two sides over the course of both Horan and McGuiness' reigns.
A 50-50 match-up, even on a mental level after the great evener that was last year's thrashing by Mayo.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 31, 2014, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 31, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
QuoteReilly having got Keegan the red last week and seeing it overturned felt he could balance the books a bit.
Didn't hear how Keegan was allowed to play. What was the reason given for rescinding the Red card? Who'd be referee when their decisions are over turned like this.
Loophole. Coldrick wrote he sent him off for kicking instead of attempting to kick because didn't make contact. Reilly was the linesman who called it to Coldrick.
This is crazy if true. Referees are told to quote the whole part of the infraction ie kick or attempt to kick when writing the report. Leaves no wriggle room ( normally)
And Carr commentating.....give me a break. Hasn't a clue.
Gutted
Congrats to kerry
Thanks to James horan and the players for all the good days over the last 4 years.
Maigh Eo abu
Quote from: muppet on August 31, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
The annual torture is over till next year thankfully.
Firstly, the ref.
He was atrocious but Kerry adapted to him far better than we did. He gaves frees to anyone that looked for one. But he never considered the persistent fouling. So while we tackled with a turnover in mind, sometimes risking a free, Kerry simply conceeded the free to stop our running game.
So with a running game ruled out by the ref, the only solution was the long and/or high ball. We didn't play it and never dealt with Kerry playing it.
David Moran gave an absolutely tremendous performance. Only Tom Parsons made any positive impact for us in the middle. The collision between AOS and COC was a disaster for us, to have to play without both when we had them under the cosh was very significant. And I think COC had scored something like 2-4 at that stage and hardly scored again. He looked concussed to me and his fumble in extra time was totally uncharacteristic.
The battle between Higgins and O'Donoghue was a game worth watching in its own right. Two magnificent players going at it, fairly, for the whole saga was worth any entrance fee, or trip to Limerick.
Well done Kerry, their game winning know-how got them over the line in the end. And their ability to play to a crap refereeing performance as against our failure to deal with it, was very significant. This last point will close the obvious playing gap between them and Dublin <edit: eh Donegal> and should not be underestimated.
I just saw that collision today it was awfull and really changed the game I was at the game and thought it was tactical that the 2 lads did not restart really hard game hard luck Mayo
That result today will really make Mayos heartbreak even harder to take,Mayo would have relished the chance to take on Donegal and gain revenge for 2012.
Liam McHale and Kevin McStay already touted.They should really push hard for Jack O'Connor,Mayo have the finance to make that happen.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 31, 2014, 10:15:02 PM
That result today will really make Mayos heartbreak even harder to take,Mayo would have relished the chance to take on Donegal and gain revenge for 2012.
Liam McHale and Kevin McStay already touted.They should really push hard for Jack O'Connor,Mayo have the finance to make that happen.
Do they? Are they printing money now? McStay and McHale are just bring touted because they're names but they'd be a better choice than chasing after a big money man. Mayo have enough good managers to find one from their own county.
mayo are still not far away, they need to find 2 scoring forwards in their full forward line, if they do they be back in the Mix as front runners with Dublin, Donegal, Cork, Kerry, with maybe Tyrone, Monaghan, Armagh looking at improvements to get up to the top 5
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 31, 2014, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 31, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
So which is it....
A) Kerry were the better team overall and deserved to win, despite the referee giving them a few handy frees
B) Kerry were clearly second best and the referee outrageously robbed Mayo
C) Both teams were pretty evenly matched and the referee possibly helped Kerry shade it with 8 or 9 debatable calls.
Your daughter is calling you..
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 10:56:58 PM
mayo are still not far away, they need to find 2 scoring forwards in their full forward line, if they do they be back in the Mix as front runners with Dublin, Donegal, Cork, Kerry, with maybe Tyrone, Monaghan, Armagh looking at improvements to get up to the top 5
Thats clear so .... 2 more scoring forwards on the full forward line and we will be back up there competing with Cork ::)
Cork arent that far away either if they get their act together, they probably got those 2 scoring forwards you need lol
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 31, 2014, 10:15:02 PM
That result today will really make Mayos heartbreak even harder to take,Mayo would have relished the chance to take on Donegal and gain revenge for 2012.
Donegal themselves might have had even greater motivation after last year's semi-final.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 09:12:49 PM
A 50-50 match-up, even on a mental level after the great evener that was last year's thrashing by Mayo.
Do you seriously believe that Mayo winning in that nothing game made up for Donegal beating them in an AI Final?
Nothing Game, were Donegal not trying to go back to back, if thats a nothing game these days i dont know
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2014, 12:22:24 AM
Nothing Game, were Donegal not trying to go back to back, if thats a nothing game these days i dont know
An exaggeration, but I'm sure you know what I mean. No-one will remember Mayo hammering Donegal in some last 16/quarter final. Everyone will remember Donegal beating Mayo in that AI Final.
Don't like to bring it up,but it's a pet hate of mine.when Fionn fitz got his black card for a deliberate trip on andy moran,he ended up in the air and deliberately tried to drop the knees into morans head as he lay on the ground.full credit to Moran for making nothing of it,but it should have been a red and not a black card.
It would be a travesty if this thread didn't make it to 100 pages.
While bitterly disappointed, I don't think we can have too many complaints about Saturday. Yes some decision went against us and yes the referee made some dubious calls but as they say on TG4 "Sin É an breaks". Sometimes they go your way and sometimes they don't. I thought that we showed exceptional heart and courage again but we didn't really perform on the day and were second best in the middle third for long periods. We were shipping water all over the place and every high ball into the full back line was hands over the eyes stuff. Despite that the game was there for the taking and we fluffed our lines in the first half of extra times with a couple of bad wides and a missed goal chance. There's a fine line between winning and losing and again we have come out on the wrong side but lost nothing in defeat. The pain subsides (it always does) and 2015 will be upon us and we go again.
When you leave Ciaran Donaghy in a dominant man on man match up for 67 minutes before making a change , you get what you deserve.
Not for the first time has the lack of decision making on the Mayo sideline been questioned.
Interesting when McStay was asked about the managerial performance , his response was " he was in the top three managers in his (mcstays) lifetime".
Quote from: Bensars on September 01, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
When you leave Ciaran Donaghy in a dominant man on man match up for 67 minutes before making a change , you get what you deserve.
Not for the first time has the lack of decision making on the Mayo sideline been questioned.
Interesting when McStay was asked about the managerial performance , his response was " he was in the top three managers in his (mcstays) lifetime".
Damning Horan with faint praise alright. Only three have managed to get us to a final so he is correct in that. It will be interesting to see where we can go from here.
Disappointed that it needed a replay before the Mwr bucks could get the 100 pages.
Well done to the Kerry men here.
Usual grief at the end of a campaign. If it s any consolation - and it isn t much - we were unlikely to win a final v Dublin or Donegal.
Nothing to add to what s been said already. Should have closed it out the first day.
Quote from: Bensars on September 01, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
When you leave Ciaran Donaghy in a dominant man on man match up for 67 minutes before making a change , you get what you deserve.
Not for the first time has the lack of decision making on the Mayo sideline been questioned.
Interesting when McStay was asked about the managerial performance , his response was " he was in the top three managers in his (mcstays) lifetime".
Aye and he also let it be known that if he got a phone call from the Mayo CB, he'd give the matter some consideration- or something like that.
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2014, 08:18:26 AM
It would be a travesty if this thread didn't make it to 100 pages.
I concur.
Criost linn to get to the 100
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 10:58:26 AM
Well done to the Kerry men here.
Usual grief at the end of a campaign. If it s any consolation - and it isn t much - we were unlikely to win a final v Dublin or Donegal.
Nothing to add to what s been said already. Should have closed it out the first day.
My own view as well moy, I'm gutted that the players didn't seal the deal in one of the finals though. As to 'where to now?' Who knows. As has been stated here previously by you and others, other managers would have learned from mistakes made and have a plan in place. How we went with the same man on Donaghy when he was on top is beyond me. In saying that the full back line is coming in for a lot of undue criticsm on here and other places, our midfield was absolutely destroyed. No sign of McLoughlin's '2012 form' against Cork or Kerry x 2 either and that was worrying.
On another note, will COC miss out on an allstar because he got a straight red?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 10:58:26 AM
Well done to the Kerry men here.
Usual grief at the end of a campaign. If it s any consolation - and it isn t much - we were unlikely to win a final v Dublin or Donegal.
Nothing to add to what s been said already. Should have closed it out the first day.
My own view as well moy, I'm gutted that the players didn't seal the deal in one of the finals though. As to 'where to now?' Who knows. As has been stated here previously by you and others, other managers would have learned from mistakes made and have a plan in place. How we went with the same man on Donaghy when he was on top is beyond me. In saying that the full back line is coming in for a lot of undue criticsm on here and other places, our midfield was absolutely destroyed. No sign of McLoughlin's '2012 form' against Cork or Kerry x 2 either and that was worrying.
On another note, will COC miss out on an allstar because he got a straight red?
That rule of missing out on all-star because of sending off is no more. O Connor sure to get one this year I'd say Keith Higgins Colm Boyle also, three in total for Mayo.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 10:58:26 AM
Well done to the Kerry men here.
Usual grief at the end of a campaign. If it s any consolation - and it isn t much - we were unlikely to win a final v Dublin or Donegal.
Nothing to add to what s been said already. Should have closed it out the first day.
My own view as well moy, I'm gutted that the players didn't seal the deal in one of the finals though. As to 'where to now?' Who knows. As has been stated here previously by you and others, other managers would have learned from mistakes made and have a plan in place. How we went with the same man on Donaghy when he was on top is beyond me. In saying that the full back line is coming in for a lot of undue criticsm on here and other places, our midfield was absolutely destroyed. No sign of McLoughlin's '2012 form' against Cork or Kerry x 2 either and that was worrying.
On another note, will COC miss out on an allstar because he got a straight red?
That rule was done away with a few years ago,Farr
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2014, 04:13:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 10:58:26 AM
Well done to the Kerry men here.
Usual grief at the end of a campaign. If it s any consolation - and it isn t much - we were unlikely to win a final v Dublin or Donegal.
Nothing to add to what s been said already. Should have closed it out the first day.
My own view as well moy, I'm gutted that the players didn't seal the deal in one of the finals though. As to 'where to now?' Who knows. As has been stated here previously by you and others, other managers would have learned from mistakes made and have a plan in place. How we went with the same man on Donaghy when he was on top is beyond me. In saying that the full back line is coming in for a lot of undue criticsm on here and other places, our midfield was absolutely destroyed. No sign of McLoughlin's '2012 form' against Cork or Kerry x 2 either and that was worrying.
On another note, will COC miss out on an allstar because he got a straight red?
That rule was done away with a few years ago,Farr
So close to being the one that hit the 100 SP, robbed again.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2014, 04:13:40 PM
That rule was done away with a few years ago,Farr
About 30 years ago, actually.
Quote from: cornafean on September 01, 2014, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2014, 04:13:40 PM
That rule was done away with a few years ago,Farr
About 30 years ago, actually.
It's a shame. Him and Michael Murphy should not be rewarded with all star awards for their off the ball shenanigans. O'Connor's kick on Buckley in particular was shamefully petluant. Certainly not a role model.
He got his red card but it's not enough for the likes of you, O'Connor's was pulled and dragged throughout but like in almost every game he plays he almost has to be assaulted before he gets a free. Role models I suppose we have to look to the Dubs for that.
Aidan O Se will get one as well.
Higgins and O Connor dead certs.
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 06:22:11 PM
Aidan O Se will get one as well.
Higgins and O Connor dead certs.
I doubt O Se will make the cut. Midfield pairing should be Moran Kerry Gallagher Donegal. Half forward line Ryan McHugh,Connolly,Flynn.
Paul Flynn deserves another, more than Cluxton certainly. Durcan has every chance of winning another All-Star if he has a good final.
Just read there now that Reilly didn't let aos back on as a blood sub and regarded him as a full sub. He deemed o'connor a blood sub though.
The man shouldn't be let into an agricultural field again never mind a football field.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2014, 06:37:20 PM
No chance for O'Se or Boyle. It's usually 6 to the winners and 4 to the losers. Dublin will get two Connolly and Cluxton. There will be a wild card. That leaves two. Higgins has a good chance and Cillian and that's about it!
something badly wrong if Paul Flynn doesn't pick up an AS
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2014, 09:11:23 PM
Just read there now that Reilly didn't let aos back on as a blood sub and regarded him as a full sub. He deemed o'connor a blood sub though.
The man shouldn't be let into an agricultural field again never mind a football field.
+1. A truly pathetic reffing 'performance'.
JOG. Any opinion on the ref on Saturdays game?
Seen as you are or appear to be familiar with rules and refereeing.
Quote from: cornafean on September 01, 2014, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 01, 2014, 04:13:40 PM
That rule was done away with a few years ago,Farr
About 30 years ago, actually.
Who was the first beneficiary of the rule change?
With regards to this year's selection, I reckon Higgins, Flynn, Connolly and O'Connor have done enough. O'Donoghue, Murphy and McHugh should make up the forward sextet. Moran and Gallagher should be centre-field. Duncan and Lacey will have to have very bad days in the final to miss out. Rest depend on the result of the final, but you could see McHugh positioned at half back.
Lot of Mayo people singing the praises of James Horan but did his decisions, or lack of decisions, not cost Mayo the win more than the Referee did. A lot of people were laughing at Grimley in Ulster last year with his naive tactics, for me Horans refusal to make changes in areas where Mayo were getting slaughtered is almost as bad. He must have no faith in any of his sub backs to leave the FB on Donaghy.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 01, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
Lot of Mayo people singing the praises of James Horan but did his decisions, or lack of decisions, not cost Mayo the win more than the Referee did. A lot of people were laughing at Grimley in Ulster last year with his naive tactics, for me Horans refusal to make changes in areas where Mayo were getting slaughtered is almost as bad. He must have no faith in any of his sub backs to leave the FB on Donaghy.
Midfield mattered a hell of a lot more than Donaghy and his basketball antics. People are over-rating how important he was. It was the sheer supply of balls that even made factor.
It was much more important to win the middle and Mayo utterly failed there and whereas Donaghy winning his battle was understandable, losing the middle was anything but for a team with the best group of midfield players in the country.
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2014, 09:11:23 PM
Just read there now that Reilly didn't let aos back on as a blood sub and regarded him as a full sub. He deemed o'connor a blood sub though.
The man shouldn't be let into an agricultural field again never mind a football field.
There's a time limit on blood subs though, isn't there?
Aidan O'Sé was kept off because the medical team were worried about concussion.
He'd stopped bleeding ages before he came back on.
O'Connor came back on a good bit earlier.
A few boring stats from the Mayo-Kerry tie...
Kerry had 16 different scorers over the 2 games.
11 Kerry players started either their first or second semifinal in the first game, another 3 made their semifinal debut in the replay.
Only one of Kerry's starters from the 2009 final started the replay.
Jinxy, I'm just going on what I read on the article in the examiner. Maybe your right but you would presume your county man would have explained it to our sideline?
I can't link the piece as I'm on a phone here. Google it.
Take All Stars chat somewhere else and don't distract from Reilly's win. Let there be no doubt but Reilly decided early on that Kerry would win this if it was anyways close. He decided not to send off Enright, he decided to give soft scorable frees to Kerry anytime they fell behind and allowed them to foul at wil and only give us a free as a last resort. Bannon's column today is the most damming indictment of a ref from a fellow ref that I ever read.
Reilly was not some rookie ref out of his depth and overawed by the occasion. He knew what he was at. Don't know the reason why but he has probably cost us an AI. He also has cost me more than a few bob.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 01, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
Lot of Mayo people singing the praises of James Horan but did his decisions, or lack of decisions, not cost Mayo the win more than the Referee did. A lot of people were laughing at Grimley in Ulster last year with his naive tactics, for me Horans refusal to make changes in areas where Mayo were getting slaughtered is almost as bad. He must have no faith in any of his sub backs to leave the FB on Donaghy.
Rumour has it that he had, but all we can go by is rumours so I'm saying no more.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 01, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
Lot of Mayo people singing the praises of James Horan but did his decisions, or lack of decisions, not cost Mayo the win more than the Referee did. A lot of people were laughing at Grimley in Ulster last year with his naive tactics, for me Horans refusal to make changes in areas where Mayo were getting slaughtered is almost as bad. He must have no faith in any of his sub backs to leave the FB on Donaghy.
Rumour has it that he had, but all we can go by is rumours so I'm saying no more.
Living outside the county means that I miss all of the gossip. Left Limerick very confused about some of our tactics and match ups.
To be fair to Mayo the Ref was outrageously bad, The amount of blatant double hops and ground picks that went unpunished for both sides was comical,Allied to the two phantom frees on Donaghy and BJ Keane and the Pen, Mayo were dealt the worst hand by a distance by the gross incompetence of the Ref. I genuinely feel that Reilly went through some form of a breakdown during the game and subsequently lost all control and seemed ready to break into tears at any moment.
Interestingly yesterday when it looked like Dublin were all but done near the end The Referee gave some crazy decisions in Dublins favour but to no avail as Donegal were just to good.
I think the lesson in this is that you must be five or six points the better team to be sure of winning.
Tight matches are all to often decided by Referee interpretation or incompetence.
Your quiet right mick. Appears that verbals went on between reilly and our line early in 2nd half also which further swayed his bias id say.
Reilly was hardly holding a grudge against jh after his post match comments about the refereeing during the dublin league game? Sad state of affairs if that's the case.
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
Your quiet right mick. Appears that verbals went on between reilly and our line early in 2nd half also which further swayed his bias id say.
Reilly was hardly holding a grudge against jh after his post match comments about the refereeing during the dublin league game? Sad state of affairs if that's the case.
You never know what he'd have in his (uncovered bald) mind.
Examiner
Here is the link ; http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html .
Thats 1 seriously generous sub-editor who put that title on that piece !
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2014, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
Your quiet right mick. Appears that verbals went on between reilly and our line early in 2nd half also which further swayed his bias id say.
Reilly was hardly holding a grudge against jh after his post match comments about the refereeing during the dublin league game? Sad state of affairs if that's the case.
You never know what he'd have in his (uncovered bald) mind.
That Bannon column damning alright.
To get back to the blood sub issue. Mayo doctor was not happy about either player resuming and it was the 2 players insistence they got back on. Horan could not overrule his medic- not saying he wanted to or anything. If O Shea was out over a time limit then Reilly was correct to observe it. Pity he wasn't as thorough with Enright - who should have been sent off twice.
We came out worse and unfortunate I have to suspect it was personal after the Keegan thing. Probably destroyed his career as a top referee.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2014, 11:39:54 PM
Have to say the Commentary on the performance of the Referee in the media has been underwhelming! Most have completely ignored the whole issue or brushed it off as to the bearing it definitely had on the outcome. Like some uncomfortable issue that would give a so called good game a bad name!
Just read Eugene McGee's column.. he actually praised Reilly and said nothing took away from the majesty of the occasion. Best game of football he's ever seen too.
Aye. The newstalk lads attempted the same particularly parkinson. I think he said it didn't affect the outcome!
Thankfully DB didn't hold back and mossy Quinn said that he didn't mind some of the double hops and mistakes on fouls but to let a personal opinion interfere with a clear sending off offence is unforgivable.
Think we contributed to our own demise moreso than the ref, as bad as he was. It did contribute but if we had our house in order we would have squeezed by.
Shocking to see it laid bare in that article though. Thought it might have just been my bias on Saturday.
There wasn't much fairness on that mad 'tackle' on AOS in the first half that the referee entirely ignored in the lead-up to COC's goal from play. Don't get this obsession with people trying to present the game as some clean, 'manly' contest. If anything I thought it was relatively dirty and ill-tempered and you get a better sense for the emotions of teams at the match rather than on tv. Lots of off-the-ball stuff and afters. It was the same attitude that was in full view when players were diving after breaking balls or putting in hard shoulders. They don't switch that part of themselves off when the ball isn't there.
And none of it means it wasn't a classic, epic match. But no team gets to this level being angels.
Epic match my hole.
Wasn't Cormac Reilly also the ref for Mayo quarter final against Cork? Blew up early and ignored a number of fouls on Cork men. The best side won that quarter final likewise with the semi final on Saturday, time to move on guys can you regroup and return to the level of last year or will the new manager rebuild and start again?
Is it true or just social media b/s that reillys wife is a kerry woman?
All of the moaning about the ref is getting embarassing. You would think the Mayo fans would be well used to defeat by now. Sour bunch of losers.
Lads, before we get carried away about that piece in the Examiner, can we pause to recall Eamonn Bannon, the ref?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
Lads, before we get carried away about that piece in the Examiner, can we pause to recall Eamonn Bannon, the ref?
John?
The p***k robbed us of an All-Ireland in 98' *
* He didn't but just getting into the swing of the thread
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
Lads, before we get carried away about that piece in the Examiner, can we pause to recall Eamonn Bannon, the ref?
Exactly. A neck like a jockey's undercarriage.
It has taken me a while to gather any thoughts on the match as it was real gut wrenching way to lose a semi final after 4 years on the road searching for Sam. My initial reaction after the game was like most Mayo people the ref performance was terrible but I held off commenting anywhere till I calmed down a bit. Look Cormac Reilly's performance was terrible and he did probably contribute about 1-4 to Kerry but they did manage the other 2-12 by themselves. Also Jason Doc was a nailed on black card and he scored 0-3 so it wasn't all going for the green and gold either. I thought he lost control of the match early on but the unforgivable mistakes were not sending off the Kerryman after he hauled down Cillian ( black or second yellow was merited here) and the first Kerry penalty which O'Donoghue just fell over ( almost the exact same as the correctly not awarded penalty in the Connacht final when Keegan took a similar tumble).Then lastly not giving David Moran a free in the lead up to awarding us that last free of the game which we nearly scored.
Even allowing for one of the worst performances form a ref in such important championship game that I can remember it didn't cost us the match in my view. Firstly we were well warned about just how good David Moran (ably assisted by Maher) was going to be in the middle yet we had no answer. Hennelly slavishly fired kickouts down on top of the Kerryman and he gobbled them up. I think he won something like 11 of our kickouts!! Why we left Caff , who is a my own clubman and a great fullback but he has been struggling all year with form and injury, one on one with Donaghy was unforgiveable. The first thing you do with Donaghy is at least match his physique like Tyrone did with putting the McMahons on him. Everyone knows to beat Mayo you dominate or break even in midfield which pins back our halfback line and drags out our half forwards which wipes out our running game. We seemed unable to deal with this problem and in the end this was what undid us.
I would like to say though in terms of heart and steel we were immense. How the hell we were leading in the second half let alone taking the game to extra time after being dominated in the middle third was borderline ridiculous and I am sure will occupy Fitzmaurice a little over the next three weeks. We had our chances though and again we failed to take them. We really needed Dillion or McLoughlin to have the game that Cillian and Andy had to push us over the line but sadly it was not to be.
Well done Kerry and good luck in the final , savage performance from 1 to 26 to finish off such an intense game.
Good article
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html
Farewell James, but your Mayo marvels will finish the job
Tuesday, September 02, 2014
By Kieran Shannon
I could have bluffed it this week.
This column could have been on the All-Ireland hurling final, or Donegal's tactical masterclass last Sunday, or at a stretch, Man United's scattergun buying policy or Caroline W's big W over Sharapova and how she too has marched on after that break-up.
But I can't fake it. The last few days it's been hard to register events from Flushing Meadows or Old Trafford or even the more familiar turf of Croke Park when my mind is still in Limerick and the heart still in Mayo.
For the last three years I've had the privilege of a lifetime of being part of James Horan's backroom team. Last Saturday night, a little bit after 9.15 in a room in the Radisson Blu Hotel on the Ennis Road, James gathered the whole group around to thank us and announce he was stepping down.
Like so much else over his four years in charge, he did it the right way. He resisted telling the press in the Gaelic Grounds. He didn't tell us in the dressing room either. We literally needed more space and time so instead he waited until we ate some food and had dried our tears before we'd shed some more. In the dressing room we merely had to come to terms with the fact our year was over. In the hotel room we had to face the brutal reality that so was our journey as a group.
I'm fortunate that my two parents, two siblings and two kids as well as my wife are still alive, so I can safely say that last Saturday night was the nearest thing to a family funeral I've known, probably because for the last few years this group had become family. We thanked each other, embraced each other, and I won't lie, wept with one another. It was rough, but it was right.
Rather than reveal his decision "in the cool light of day" through mail or text during the week, James knew that we needed to simultaneously treasure each other and grieve together to help us all move on with our lives.
The irony of it all is that only a few hours earlier from that quasi-wake we'd all never before felt more alive. In the Gaelic Grounds, in extra-time, in the arena, in a battle with a worthy opponent; as James would have grinned to the group "Where else would you rather be?!"
This team have been in some games and places through the years – All-Ireland finals, beating Cork in 2011 and 2014, the Dubs in 2012, Donegal in 2013, Croker just the week before – but Limerick was as good and as heightened as any match or occasion we've known.
You have to hand it to Kerry. They are without probably the greatest player ever in Colm Cooper. You think of the injuries the Tralee tandem of David Moran and Kieran Donaghy have had to endure in recent years and how they performed the last two weekends and you can only admire their persistence as well as talent. They would not have deserved to lose last Saturday.
What I also know is that our lads didn't deserve Cormac Reilly. When I think of Colm Boyle, probably the most honest and bravest football warrior in the country and how three calls on him alone were so costly and poorly adjudicated, it doesn't seem right that he's not playing into September.
To credit James, he refrained from criticising Cormac afterwards, just as he did with Maurice Deegan after both the 2012 league and All-Ireland finals that you could argue swung on a couple of non-calls that seconds later resulted in goals for our opponents. He had the sense and grace to accept that ultimately the other side was still that bit better on those days and the referee is largely out of your control while a lot of other things are within it.
That's one of his greatest legacies. It's now instilled into the lads' psyche the importance of looking in the mirror and trying to be the best you can be because it'll take you to great heights, if not the ultimate spot. Even three years ago Keith Higgins was still a bit casual with his talent; now he is a killer, the supreme defender in the country and a certain All Star for a third straight year. Three years ago Colm Boyle was in the intercounty wilderness, finished; look at him now.
They all grew under James.
Much of the credit for that has to go the players. They were certainly the most open-minded and tough-minded group of people I've ever worked with, in any environment. There'll be other opportunities to wax lyrical about some of the side's household names but when I think of the honesty of the group I think of men like David Clarke and Kenneth O'Malley, our back-up goalkeepers this year, working with such focus and intensity at the top end of the pitch with Rob Hennelly and goalkeeping coach Peter Burke.
We had a lad called Shane McHale who would burst himself and everyone around him in training. As long as I live I'll see him collapsing past the finishing line of an indoor hall in Claremorris having emptied himself in a gruelling fitness test; the pool of sweat he left like a chalked outline of a dead body at a crime scene. Even this summer when he was recovering from a shoulder injury he'd be there at the side of the pitch with an eye patch catching a tennis ball working on his hand-eye co-ordination.
Another one of our warriors was Enda Varley. In some quarters of the Mayo public he was maligned, especially after the quarter-final against Cork last month didn't run so well for him, but the stats show he's been one of the highest-scoring impact subs in the country in recent years and in his penultimate start for the county he scored 1-3 in Salthill last year. When I think of the dedication of this group I picture Enda on his foam roller before training and then out on the pitch kicking ball after ball before the ever-enthusiastic Donie Buckley whistles the boys in; Enda was a pro on a team of a pros, the kind who needs to be retained when the uninformed eye could have him discounted.
That is going to be the trick and the challenge for the new manager. To get the right blend of continuity and change. There will inevitably be four or five changes to the playing panel but it would be a mistake to make a cull of nine or ten. The medical team being the best in the country should be retained en masse. Ed Coughlan may be Munster-based but there isn't a better S&C coach and he could even have his expertise as a skills acquisition coach unleashed; certainly the new management should meet with him for a handover session at the least.
Who will that manager be? It comes down to what the side and county needs. Back in 2010 Mayo needed a transformational leader and James with his vision, organisation, strength and suitable stubbornness provided just that. Although there will always be the odd pop from the odd buffoon or cold timid soul about Mayo's fortitude or temperament until they deliver the big one, under James and his faithful assistant Tom Prendergast Mayo dismissed virtually every negative stereotype relating to the county. His footballers became winners. With the right appointment they will become outright champions. Maintain the culture James established and throw into the mix a little more flexibility and sophistication in how the side sets up and the lads will close the deal either next year or the year after, if not both seasons.
In these eyes the two men best fitted for that job are recent All-Ireland club winning managers.
Tony McEntee is one of the best football brains in the country and both a suitable admirer and critic of the Horan project. But he's based in Armagh and, combined with having a young family, that probably rules him out. The other outstanding candidate is Kevin McStay. With St Brigid's he underlined impressive tactical acumen while he would provide a level of communication and organisation that the players have come to expect from their time with James. The big call for McStay will be whether to include his wingman Liam McHale on the ticket. Liam has so much to offer with his coaching and sideline insights but the players would need to know he has left any House of Pain complex outside the gates of MacHale Park.
Because that's the thing with these group of players. As the constantly-smiling Lee Keegan noted, they are less burdened by past defeats as empowered and sustained by all the games they've won, even if there hasn't been a summer yet that they've won them all. Under James these players came to love playing in Croke Park. And more so they relished coming every night to MacHale Park. When you've jokers like Mickey Conroy and Barry Moran in the ranks you didn't exist in a House of Pain but a House of Fun, Joy. Aidan O'Shea said it in that teary-eyed hotel room in Limerick, the lads loved going in there every night; the craic, the training, the ball, the honesty, camaraderie and company.
So did we, kid. Loved it. Love ye. Forever.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 02, 2014, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
Lads, before we get carried away about that piece in the Examiner, can we pause to recall Eamonn Bannon, the ref?
John?
The p***k robbed us of an All-Ireland in 98' *
* He didn't but just getting into the swing of the thread
We used to call him John Galway- Bannon >:(
sorry, yes of course I meant John Bannon.
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
Jinxy, I'm just going on what I read on the article in the examiner. Maybe your right but you would presume your county man would have explained it to our sideline?
I can't link the piece as I'm on a phone here. Google it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-stars-suffered-facial-injuries-and-not-concussion-says-team-doctor-30555498.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-stars-suffered-facial-injuries-and-not-concussion-says-team-doctor-30555498.html)
They were kept off the field so that the team doctor could rule out concussion.
The blood sub rule is designed to protect other players as much as the individual that was injured.
The objective is to stop the bleeding and remove any blood-stained gear.
Don't forget, the clash of heads happened before half-time.
At some point the referee has to decide that so much time has elapsed since the initial injury that a replacement can no longer be considered a blood sub.
Reilly was completely correct in this instance.
But what does the actual rule say? Is there a limit on how long a blood sub can stay off?
(Mayo folk arent too interested in Reillys "interpretation" of the rules. He found a way to "interpret" some pretty black and white ones to our cost on Saturday)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 01:16:37 PM
Meath take exception to criticism of referee Reilly
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223597 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223597)
So who is he saying had the agenda.....McStay or Reilly. I might be crazed at this point but the way it reads to me is that hes saying Reilly had the agenda
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 01:16:37 PM
Meath take exception to criticism of referee Reilly
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223597 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223597)
Jaysus
"'Maybe he had another agenda," O'Halloran suggested, continuing "but tonight I am standing up for our man, our Meath official."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew
The old parochialism never died
In fairness, they have to. Cormac Reilly is representing Meath as a referee. If they feel he is being hard done by, especially from a Mayo man, on National TV, then I think they are right to back him.
QuoteIn fairness, they have to. Cormac Reilly is representing Meath as a referee. If they feel he is being hard done by, especially from a Mayo man, on National TV, then I think they are right to back him.
Well then, the criticism and not been able to take it is another basic requirement that Reilly has failed in.
The basic requirements of a referee are:
A thorough knowledge of the rules, - Reilly fails on this, as KMcStay said the other night the pictures don't lie
Be physically and
mentally fit, - He lost control at an early stage of the game therefore, almost fails this requirement
Deal courteously with players and officials,- can't comment on this
Have the ability to remain calm
Operate strictly in accordance with the principles of justice and fair play,- fails
Have the moral courage to take decisions which are correct,- fails
Be able to live with unfair criticism,- fails
Be able to accept constructive criticism, -fails
Retain a good learning graph, -fails
Be alert and decisive on the field, -fails
Enjoy refereeing, he probably enjoys the power, -pass
Be committed to the protection of players and the prevention of abusive or violent conduct
Be a good communicator on and off the field,- fails, never consulted linesmen or umpires all day
At all times be well presented
Behave with dignity both on and off the field
Have a sense of humour and the ability to smile; while these qualities are not requirements they are great assets
Above all things else, retain integrity, consistency and uniformity
He is not up to the task. He should resign.
Lads, ye are losing the run of yerselves.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 01:22:23 PM
In fairness, they have to. Cormac Reilly is representing Meath as a referee. If they feel he is being hard done by, especially from a Mayo man, on National TV, then I think they are right to back him.
There was a thing in the paper a while ago about Turkey and corruption/ineptitude under Erdogan and they interviewed someone from his village who said it was all lies, that Erdogan would never do such a thing . The same shite everywhere.
The ref was poor, in fairness
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 01:56:53 PM
Lads, ye are losing the run of yerselves.
AZ,
I generally agree with most of your points, but the bottom line is that Cormac Reilly poor decisions and poor rules interpretations most likely cost this bunch of incredibly dedicated footballers a chance to contest an all-Ireland final.
Hence the anger and frustration that will not go away easily
No excusing or hiding from that fact.
To me he is and has been an incompetent referee.
On a personal level, I do not know him, nor do I ever care to.
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
Can't remember many county boards going to bat for their man because he had a woeful performance. McStay may not be objective but he is less biased than the Trimmers coming out with that sort of defensive stuff.
I really don't see what county he's from having anything to do with it (Coldrick gets it in the neck plenty, where were they then? I never heard the Sligo board defend the Duffys, maybe because they're indefensible..) so I'm at a loss why they thought it was appropriate to stick their oars into the situation. Referees get criticised. Big whoop.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
A few points, I stand to be corrected, but I believe the linesman who made the call on Lee Keegan was yours truly.
I have refereed a fair amount of games in my lifetime, aside from not being baized, I always tried to ensure that I did not make an incorrect decision that would cost some team the game.
FFS you could argue Reilly made 5 or 6 of these. In addition, what about his incompetent band of helpers, could neither of the umpires have brought to his attention both of Shane Enrights offences that would have led to his dismissal, they were only 3 to 6 yards away from both instances. same for call on one of Kerry penalties.
I am still too upset and depressed, so will sign off on this note.
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
Oh Shite. Don't Matter is on the same wavelength as me.
They'll be coming to take you away now Biffo.
Quote from: joemamas on September 02, 2014, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
A few points, I stand to be corrected, but I believe the linesman who made the call on Lee Keegan was yours truly.
I have refereed a fair amount of games in my lifetime, aside from not being baized, I always tried to ensure that I did not make an incorrect decision that would cost some team the game.
FFS you could argue Reilly made 5 or 6 of these. In addition, what about his incompetent band of helpers, could neither of the umpires have brought to his attention both of Shane Enrights offences that would have led to his dismissal, they were only 3 to 6 yards away from both instances. same for call on one of Kerry penalties.
I am still too upset and depressed, so will sign off on this note.
joe, no offence and I'm not trying to stick the boot in because it's obviously very raw still, but I don't believe Reilly deliberately made bad calls to cost Mayo the game. I think even insinuating that is bad. I'm sure every ref goes out ensuring they "did not make an incorrect decision that would cost some team the game."
I understand the frustration when you think you've been done, but to be honest I'm not so sure it was as bad a doing as some are making it out to be.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2014, 02:31:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
Can't remember many county boards going to bat for their man because he had a woeful performance. McStay may not be objective but he is less biased than the Trimmers coming out with that sort of defensive stuff.
I really don't see what county he's from having anything to do with it (Coldrick gets it in the neck plenty, where were they then? I never heard the Sligo board defend the Duffys, maybe because they're indefensible..) so I'm at a loss why they thought it was appropriate to stick their oars into the situation. Referees get criticised. Big whoop.
I have heard county boards in the past stick up for their refs if they felt it was necessary. Remember 1) the ref is representing the county and 2) If he quits the county loses a ref. Refs being criticised happens all the time, yes. But men with a vested interest being given a platform to air their grievances unopposed does not happen, and if Meath felt it necessary to respond, then fair play to them for defending one of their members.
AZ.....even the posters on Reservoirdubs said Mayo got fvcked....they sure aint Mayo fans
The Commentators. on the Sunday Game...notably a Meath and Galway man said during the game that the ref was heavily favoring Kerry and criticized and questioned many of his calls.
When it suits, Reillys supporters say he applied the letter of the law....but at other times the letter of the law was thrown out the window.....Eg BJK taking the free from almost in front of the posts for the "foul on Donaghy" LOL Reilly looks like he gets a fright when he sees him behind him.....whats the letter of the law on taking a free from the wrong spot....it used to be a hop ball
It wasnt one or two decisions....it was 5/6 decisions at critical parts of the game
Often bad referees are bad for both sides.....not the case on Saturday
Fair enough. As I said, I never said he had a good game. I'm just saying that the criticism of him has been over the top, and I can understand why Meath would react that way.
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Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
Your hoop chap.
There were loads of instances in this game where the man in possession was surrounded by 3 or 4 players all touching/holding/pulling/slapping him. These invariably resulted in a free out for overcarrying. Yet Kerry recieved a number of frees within easy scoring distance where there was minimal [if any] contact between 2 players. Bizarre and baffling refereeing, though Reilly is by no means the only culprit in this regard. Unsurprising to see u agreeing with it therefore.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I'm not saying he had a good game, I'm saying it's natural for his county board to defend him when they feel he is getting a raw deal on TV from a man who probably felt as sore as the rest of Mayo did. Kevin McStay is hardly objective in this situation.
We've had people insinuating Reilly had some sort of ulterior motive for wanting Kerry to beat Mayo, and even referring to where his wife is from. It's getting ludicrous.
The last ref that reff'ed Mayo was hung out to dry by the CCCC and now this lad is being questioned on the Sunday Game by a Mayo Man!
Who'd bother their arse being a ref?
Come off it , AZ.
Do you know the old saying, " If you live by the sword, so you die by the sword?"David Coldrick sent Lee Keegan off for an infraction of the rules. I thought it was an extremely harsh decision but you gotta play by the rules, okay?
He got sent off on a technicality.
Coldrick in turn failed to cite the appropriate rule when he submitted his report and Keegan had his red card rescinded.
That was according to rule, wasn't it? So what's the problem about Coldrick being hung out to dry by the CCCC?
It simply did not happen.
The CCCC applied the rules, as Coldrick did when sending Keegan off. If he made a mistake, it was his and his alone so shag the sympathy for the hoor.
The Mayo man you mention might not be "hardly objective in this situation" but he didn't have to be to prove his case.
He presented compelling video evidence to back his case and nobody including you (thick Offaly hoor) have so far denied the substance of his charges.
Cormac Reilly was a consenting adult when he took the gig. He knew the what consequences would be if he made a donkey's haemes out of it and so he did in style.
If Kerry had lost the game, there'd be assloads of yerras coming from the Kingdom because they''d have cause to moan about some of his decisions too. In a sense he was being perfectly objective, he made bad calls against them also.
Both teams and their followers had every right to expect a competent performance from the individual who voluntarily agreed to blow the whistle.
I'm afraid neither got what they expected. So what's the problem with objective criticism?
Apart from all that, you are an other wise sound bloke and good for the oul' laugh from time to time. ;D
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
Welcome Cormac Reilly to the board
Thick Offaly Hoor? Nice. That's the last time we'll send someone like Sean Lowry up to ye.
Lad and Lassies the ref had a terrible game and yeah unfortunately a string of bad decisions went against us at bad times but this was just bad luck as on another day these decisions could all have gone for us. I am not in any way defending Cormac Reilly as he a a very poor game from the off ( this wasn't a case of missing a couple of key decisions) but he made a string of bad/questionable calls that generally fell in our favour in the quarter final so until the standard of reffing , rules and appeals process is greatly improved counties are going to be affected ( Louth 2010 , Kildare 2010 and the q/final 2011)!!
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
complete and utter horseshite.
under the rules of the game, Shane Enright should not have been on the field after 16 minutes, theres no ifs and or buts about that. With 14 men for what would have been 60 minutes Kerry would not have won. Mayo would have been miles on the scoreboard after the penalty with a numerical advantage and would have driven on. you can point to what Mayo did the week before but history shows that kind of performance is not really possible for longer than about 30 minutes. Mayo were also lucky the week before that Keegan was sent off just before half time. 20 minutes earlier than that, and I suggest kerry would almost have been out of sight at half time in the first game. With that decision the referee cost Mayo the game because not only did it not give Mayo the numerical advantage Enrights actions deserved it also sent the signal "you can do what the f**k you like" and they did. Dress it up any other way you like but that is exactly what happened.
Fact is the narrative all changes because of the result, if Rob Hennelley's kick had gone over then most of the positives written about Kerry would have been negatives (with the probable exception of David Morans performance which was top class) and vice versa.
Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2014, 01:17:31 PM
But what does the actual rule say? Is there a limit on how long a blood sub can stay off?
(Mayo folk arent too interested in Reillys "interpretation" of the rules. He found a way to "interpret" some pretty black and white ones to our cost on Saturday)
Rule 1.5(b) Rules of control
(b) Injuries: Blood - A player who is bleeding
or who has blood on any part of his body,
playing attire or playing equipment, as a result
of an injury sustained during play, shall on
the instruction of the Referee, immediately
leave the field of play to receive medical and/
or other attention. He shall not be allowed to
return to the field of play until the bleeding
has stopped, all blood has been cleaned off
and, where possible, the injured area has
been covered, any blood-stained playing attire
has been replaced and any blood-stained
equipment has been fully cleaned. In that
circumstance, a Temporary Substitute may be
used, and the following acts shall not count as
substitutions under Rule 2.4 (i) and (ii), Rules
of Specification.
(1) The use of the Temporary Substitute
for a player instructed to leave the field
under the Rule.
(2) The return to the field of play of the
injured (blood) player as a direct
replacement for the Temporary
Substitute.
(3) The return to the field of play of the
injured (blood) player as a replacement
for any other player if the Temporary
Substitute has previously been sent off
or substituted.
QuotevColdrick in turn failed to cite the appropriate rule when he submitted his report and Keegan had his red card rescinded.
That was according to rule, wasn't it? So what's the problem about Coldrick being hung out to dry by the CCCC?
It simply did not happen.
What is the wording of the rule?
Does it specifically define the offence?
I thought it Rule XYZ was for "striking or attempting to strike". As long as he said "as per Rule XYZ" it should have stood.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 02, 2014, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
complete and utter horseshite.
under the rules of the game, Shane Enright should not have been on the field after 16 minutes, theres no ifs and or buts about that. With 14 men for what would have been 60 minutes Kerry would not have won. Mayo would have been miles on the scoreboard after the penalty with a numerical advantage and would have driven on. you can point to what Mayo did the week before but history shows that kind of performance is not really possible for longer than about 30 minutes. Mayo were also lucky the week before that Keegan was sent off just before half time. 20 minutes earlier than that, and I suggest kerry would almost have been out of sight at half time in the first game. With that decision the referee cost Mayo the game because not only did it not give Mayo the numerical advantage Enrights actions deserved it also sent the signal "you can do what the f**k you like" and they did. Dress it up any other way you like but that is exactly what happened.
Fact is the narrative all changes because of the result, if Rob Hennelley's kick had gone over then most of the positives written about Kerry would have been negatives (with the probable exception of David Morans performance which was top class) and vice versa.
What's to say Mayo would have won with Kerry at 14 men? Kerry had the man advantage last week and they didn't win. Mayo had a man advantage against Derry in the NL Semi Final and lost that game.
Lads the slagging of the referee is getting out of hand at this stage and looks ridiculous especially with the pictures of Reilly running for the Changing Room and the Garda lying prostrate surrounded by Mayo 'supportes'! Show me a man that hasn't been wronged by a referee at some stage and I'll show you the man who doesn't exist. Reilly had a tough task on Saturday and he didn't perform well but all this talk of bias and his wife being from Kerry is nonsense.
As Shannon mentioned in his article Horan always preached that you take charge of the things you have control of and the referee is not one of those. Mayo did not perform well enough with the things they could control so they lost!!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2014, 01:17:31 PM
But what does the actual rule say? Is there a limit on how long a blood sub can stay off?
(Mayo folk arent too interested in Reillys "interpretation" of the rules. He found a way to "interpret" some pretty black and white ones to our cost on Saturday)
Rule 1.5(b) Rules of control
(b) Injuries: Blood - A player who is bleeding
or who has blood on any part of his body,
playing attire or playing equipment, as a result
of an injury sustained during play, shall on
the instruction of the Referee, immediately
leave the field of play to receive medical and/
or other attention. He shall not be allowed to
return to the field of play until the bleeding
has stopped, all blood has been cleaned off
and, where possible, the injured area has
been covered, any blood-stained playing attire
has been replaced and any blood-stained
equipment has been fully cleaned. In that
circumstance, a Temporary Substitute may be
used, and the following acts shall not count as
substitutions under Rule 2.4 (i) and (ii), Rules
of Specification.
(1) The use of the Temporary Substitute
for a player instructed to leave the field
under the Rule.
(2) The return to the field of play of the
injured (blood) player as a direct
replacement for the Temporary
Substitute.
(3) The return to the field of play of the
injured (blood) player as a replacement
for any other player if the Temporary
Substitute has previously been sent off
or substituted.
So once again there is no hard and fast rule....it is up to the discretion of the referee.
So playing this out to its illogical conclusion, Mayo could have dithered around stitching him up to allow him to recover from the clash of heads, and then finished the job properly and sent him back in
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
Lad and Lassies the ref had a terrible game and yeah unfortunately a string of bad decisions went against us at bad times but this was just bad luck as on another day these decisions could all have gone for us. I am not in any way defending Cormac Reilly as he a a very poor game from the off ( this wasn't a case of missing a couple of key decisions) but he made a string of bad/questionable calls that generally fell in our favour in the quarter final so until the standard of reffing , rules and appeals process is greatly improved counties are going to be affected ( Louth 2010 , Kildare 2010 and the q/final 2011)!!
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
Wiped put at midfield...think that has anything to do with AOS....one of the top 4 Midfielders in the country...getting poleaxed by a late hit from a player who should have prior to that stage been shown the line. These events dont occur in a vacum
QuoteKeane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball.
Enright was obviously told the same when dealing with Cillian. Young Enright took whatever was said to him by his management so literally that he was lucky to be still on the field after 20 minutes and his management came to his rescue by subbing him.
As for the 14 men argument. His sub Marc O'Shea played well when he came on and got a point. A luxury Kerry didn't deserve.
I want to sign off on this also. I came out of the field on Sat evening having some small doubts about the decisions and overall thought bollix to it Kerry were probably the best team. I was the other end of the ground for the penalties. But now having sat through the SG and some highlights I can see we were robbed.
In the long term posters here and all our supporters will get on with it. Our efforts are basic, going to matches to support the lads. But when a team of young lads and a couple or so close to the end of their careers along with a backroom team that have put in the efforts of a lifetime over the last 4 years are denied or more than likely denied an AI Final by a ref then it is hard to take.
I came into work on Monday and said nothing about the match or ref to my colleagues until people brought it up, every person said we were robbed and that included 3 Kerry lads.
Also if this ref talk is getting embarrassing then go off and tell Ambrose O'Donovan, he also said on Kerry radio yesterday that they were handed 1-3 by the ref.
This is not the way Kerry would have wanted to win. They are a sporting team.
This must be the greatest injustice ever carried out on a team in the recent history of our games, even greater than the Louth fiasco.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
No, you cant be as glib as that about it. even with what you say being true, we still brought the game to extra time and had a kick to win it at the end of normal time. So even for all their superiority in certain areas we still were with them until the end. Do you think they would have had those advantages playing with a man less for almost 60 minutes? And it didnt stop there, the actions of the ref in letting Enright off meant that Kerry could chance their arms from then on, and they did everywhere. So its not as simple as sitting back and saying over the 100 minutes or so they had those advantages. Games ebb and flow and you cannot get away from the fact, given the small margins, that the referee gave them a huge advantage and given that they couldnt beat us over all that time the only logical conclusion to make is that advantage he gave them is the reason they won the game and is the reason why some people expect us just to say "ah sure they were better". yes they were better, after being handed an advantage.
And I'd be fine with all that if someone on the Kerry side would have the honesty to say "we got all the breaks" rather than this shite of Fitzmaurice saying something along the lines of people underestimated their desire, and Maher saying they didnt want to come out the wrong side of a classic.
What an insult to the Mayo team those comments are, I suppose Kerry "just had more hunger" give me a f**king break,one side loses 2 all ireland finals, still comes back for more, gets f*cked by the ref, has their two best players almost endup knocking eachother out and has them off the field for over 10 minutes, and the opposition come out with this shite about it all being about desire? Insinuating that theres was more than the oppositions. That, I have to say is what is the most classless about this whole thing. Kerry, ye got lucky with the ref and all the breaks that were going on the day, there was nothing more in the contest so at least be honest enough to admit that and at least we can all acknowledge it and move on. For some of us it may take another 6 months, but we'll move on eventually.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
QuoteKeane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball.
Enright was obviously told the same when dealing with Cillian. Young Enright took whatever was said to him by his management so literally that he was lucky to be still on the field after 20 minutes and they came to his rescue by subbing him.
As for the 14 men argument. His sub Marc O'Shea played well when he cam on and got a point. A luxury Kerry didn't deserve.
I want to sign off on this also. I came out of the field on Sat evening having some small doubts about the decisions. I was the other end of the ground for the penalties. Having sat through the SG and some highlights I can see we were robbed.
In the long term posters here and all our supporters will get on with it. Our efforts are basic, going to matches to support the lads. But when a team of young lads and a couple or so close to the end of their careers along with a backroom team that have put in the efforts of a lifetime over the last 4 years are denied or possibly denied an AI Final by a ref then it is hard to take.
I came into work on Monday and said nothing about the match or ref until people brought it up, every person said we were robbed and that included 3 Kerry lads.
Also if this ref talk is getting embarrassing then go off and tell Ambrose O'Donovan, he also said on Kerry radio yesterday that they were handed 1-3 by the ref.
This must be the greatest injustice ever carried out on a team in the recent history of our games, even greater than the Louth fiasco.
Exactly, thats precisely the point. This is arguably even more important than some big decisions that might cost a professional team a prize that costs them money. This is visceral, its about who you are and where you are from. Some of those lads who have given so much might never get another chance and have to carry that around for the rest of their lives. Anyone who says that isn't the case doesn't live in a GAA community. Thats fine if you lose legitimately, but is very f**king hard to take when its a complete injustice. And the revisionists who write what they write based on the scoreline and who the victors are, can say what they like but bottom line was if there was an even distribution of breaks in that game, Mayo would probably have one.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 02, 2014, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
No, you cant be as glib as that about it. even with what you say being true, we still brought the game to extra time and had a kick to win it at the end of normal time. So even for all their superiority in certain areas we still were with them until the end. Do you think they would have had those advantages playing with a man less for almost 60 minutes? And it didnt stop there, the actions of the ref in letting Enright off meant that Kerry could chance their arms from then on, and they did everywhere. So its not as simple as sitting back and saying over the 100 minutes or so they had those advantages. Games ebb and flow and you cannot get away from the fact, given the small margins, that the referee gave them a huge advantage and given that they couldnt beat us over all that time the only logical conclusion to make is that advantage he gave them is the reason they won the game and is the reason why some people expect us just to say "ah sure they were better". yes they were better, after being handed an advantage.
And I'd be fine with all that if someone on the Kerry side would have the honesty to say "we got all the breaks" rather than this shite of Fitzmaurice saying something along the lines of people underestimated their desire, and Maher saying they didnt want to come out the wrong side of a classic.
What an insult to the Mayo team those comments are, I suppose Kerry "just had more hunger" give me a f**king break,one side loses 2 all ireland finals, still comes back for more, gets f*cked by the ref, has their two best players almost endup knocking eachother out and has them off the field for over 10 minutes, and the opposition come out with this shite about it all being about desire? Insinuating that theres was more than the oppositions. That, I have to say is what is the most classless about this whole thing. Kerry, ye got lucky with the ref and all the breaks that were going on the day, there was nothing more in the contest so at least be honest enough to admit that and at least we can all acknowledge it and move on. For some of us it may take another 6 months, but we'll move on eventually.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
QuoteKeane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball.
Enright was obviously told the same when dealing with Cillian. Young Enright took whatever was said to him by his management so literally that he was lucky to be still on the field after 20 minutes and his management came to his rescue by subbing him.
As for the 14 men argument. His sub Marc O'Shea played well when he came on and got a point. A luxury Kerry didn't deserve.
I want to sign off on this also. I came out of the field on Sat evening having some small doubts about the decisions and overall thought bollix to it Kerry were probably the best team. I was the other end of the ground for the penalties. But now having sat through the SG and some highlights I can see we were robbed.
In the long term posters here and all our supporters will get on with it. Our efforts are basic, going to matches to support the lads. But when a team of young lads and a couple or so close to the end of their careers along with a backroom team that have put in the efforts of a lifetime over the last 4 years are denied or more than likely denied an AI Final by a ref then it is hard to take.
I came into work on Monday and said nothing about the match or ref to my colleagues until people brought it up, every person said we were robbed and that included 3 Kerry lads.
Also if this ref talk is getting embarrassing then go off and tell Ambrose O'Donovan, he also said on Kerry radio yesterday that they were handed 1-3 by the ref.
This is not the way Kerry would have wanted to win. They are a sporting team.
This must be the greatest injustice ever carried out on a team in the recent history of our games, even greater than the Louth fiasco.
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So yer position is the ref robbed ye, and no credit is due to Kerry? That's more disrespectful than some perceived slight that Kerry didn't say they got the breaks. For what it's worth, I'm sure you'll see loads of that in the run up to the All Ireland.
Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2014, 03:44:23 PM
Wiped put at midfield...think that has anything to do with AOS....one of the top 4 Midfielders in the country...getting poleaxed by a late hit from a player who should have prior to that stage been shown the line. These events dont occur in a vacum
As a neutral who was at Saturday's match, I do feel that Mayo suffered from Reilly's decisions far more, and the failure to send Enright off probably cost them the match. Tackles like Enright's on O'Se's don't occur in a vacuum but neither did the way Reilly refereed the game occur in a vacuum - the tone for the way the replay was to be refereed was set by Mayo not accepting what was a deserved sending off for Lee Keegan in the first match. Coldrick was rightly fucked over and whoever the referee for the replay was was always going to be afraid to send anybody off. The players knew this, some of them pushed their luck, got away with it, and the game ran away from Reilly's control.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
So yer position is the ref robbed ye, and no credit is due to Kerry? That's more disrespectful than some perceived slight that Kerry didn't say they got the breaks. For what it's worth, I'm sure you'll see loads of that in the run up to the All Ireland.
Who's saying no credit is due to Kerry?
If there was a fair application and interpretation of the rules Kerry would most likely not have been in a position to pull out a victory
Often games can be decided on one or two missed calls.Theyre the breaks ....in this case they were at least 5 and maybe 6 calls ( and non calls) that kept Kerry in the game at vital times. As JH said it's not good for the soul and with that I need to take a step back debating this also
Quote from: whitey on September 02, 2014, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
Lad and Lassies the ref had a terrible game and yeah unfortunately a string of bad decisions went against us at bad times but this was just bad luck as on another day these decisions could all have gone for us. I am not in any way defending Cormac Reilly as he a a very poor game from the off ( this wasn't a case of missing a couple of key decisions) but he made a string of bad/questionable calls that generally fell in our favour in the quarter final so until the standard of reffing , rules and appeals process is greatly improved counties are going to be affected ( Louth 2010 , Kildare 2010 and the q/final 2011)!!
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
Wiped put at midfield...think that has anything to do with AOS....one of the top 4 Midfielders in the country...getting poleaxed by a late hit from a player who should have prior to that stage been shown the line. These events dont occur in a vacum
David Moran was on top in the middle for the majority of the drawn game and started te replay strongly dominating our kickouts before O'Shea took that hit. Not having Aidan anywhere near 100% after this was a problem but more importantly Kevin Mac and Keegan weren't anywhere on the breaking ball like they normally are coupled with Barry and Seamus struggling and we were unable to come up with any tactical or personnel change to address this problem. The ref had nothing to do with Keegan and Mac having a bad day at the office , did he? Also we seemed unable to change our kickout strategy so Robbie kept kicking long into the middle where Kerry gobbled up the ball time and again.Is this not something in our control and not the refs? When you think we only lost by 3 points addressing these problems even by 50 % probably would have got us over the line regardless of the 1-3 that came directly from terrible calls by the ref!! Granted most of Robbie's kickouts go to Aidan but with the quality of team we have should we have to rely on one man so heavily for primary possession without a plan B?
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 02, 2014, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
I would like us as a county to realise though that overall Kerry were better than us and we couldn't deal with what was within our control i.e the long ball to Donaghy and being wiped out in midfield. Kerry challenged us in these two specific areas and we didn't have any credible answers so fair play to them , good luck in the final and I look forward to having a right good battle down in Kerry next spring.
No, you cant be as glib as that about it. even with what you say being true, we still brought the game to extra time and had a kick to win it at the end of normal time. So even for all their superiority in certain areas we still were with them until the end. Do you think they would have had those advantages playing with a man less for almost 60 minutes? And it didnt stop there, the actions of the ref in letting Enright off meant that Kerry could chance their arms from then on, and they did everywhere. So its not as simple as sitting back and saying over the 100 minutes or so they had those advantages. Games ebb and flow and you cannot get away from the fact, given the small margins, that the referee gave them a huge advantage and given that they couldnt beat us over all that time the only logical conclusion to make is that advantage he gave them is the reason they won the game and is the reason why some people expect us just to say "ah sure they were better". yes they were better, after being handed an advantage.
And I'd be fine with all that if someone on the Kerry side would have the honesty to say "we got all the breaks" rather than this shite of Fitzmaurice saying something along the lines of people underestimated their desire, and Maher saying they didnt want to come out the wrong side of a classic.
What an insult to the Mayo team those comments are, I suppose Kerry "just had more hunger" give me a f**king break,one side loses 2 all ireland finals, still comes back for more, gets f*cked by the ref, has their two best players almost endup knocking eachother out and has them off the field for over 10 minutes, and the opposition come out with this shite about it all being about desire? Insinuating that theres was more than the oppositions. That, I have to say is what is the most classless about this whole thing. Kerry, ye got lucky with the ref and all the breaks that were going on the day, there was nothing more in the contest so at least be honest enough to admit that and at least we can all acknowledge it and move on. For some of us it may take another 6 months, but we'll move on eventually.
The ref did what he did and unfortunately that is outside of our team and any other teams control. I was as angry as anyone at the final whistle and probably close to mental breakdown territory after watching back the game but having had a day to reflect on the game I watched it again and two large factors ( not the only factors though) were our problems in the middle third and leaving Ger Caff one on one with Donaghy. These two problems were within our control to address and we didn't in any meaningful way. I believe if we could have got a handle on one of these two problems in the second half we would have won regardless of Reilly's obvious incompetence. This I say would hurt James and the players more than the terrible reffing and to be honest it annoys me more but hey that's is just me.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
wow there Sheehy, lets slow that down a biteen now. How did the ref see it is the point, he seen the incident as a penalty, has to be a card sin e, yellow or balck who cares , has to be one or the other, it wasnt because the dirty rotten meath f**ker yellowed out of it because it was bath time for enright . Even up the Keegan technicality is all it was, you know it, we know it everybody knows it and pat mcanneany knows it ( he had a nice seat at croker on sunday beside his buddy from Kerry)
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
wow there Sheehy, lets slow that down a biteen now. How did the ref see it is the point, he seen the incident as a penalty, has to be a card sin e, yellow or balck who cares , has to be one or the other, it wasnt because the dirty rotten meath f**ker yellowed out of it because it was bath time for enright . Even up the Keegan technicality is all it was, you know it, we know it everybody knows it and pat mcanneany knows it ( he had a nice seat at croker on sunday beside his buddy from Kerry)
thats a black card right there
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
wow there Sheehy, lets slow that down a biteen now. How did the ref see it is the point, he seen the incident as a penalty, has to be a card sin e, yellow or balck who cares , has to be one or the other, it wasnt because the dirty rotten meath f**ker yellowed out of it because it was bath time for enright . Even up the Keegan technicality is all it was, you know it, we know it everybody knows it and pat mcanneany knows it ( he had a nice seat at croker on sunday beside his buddy from Kerry)
Probably and this shows up ( along with the introduction of the black card) a problem that has been brewing for a few years now.
We need to have a serious look at how the rule book is interpreted by the refs , how the refs themselves are trained and kept upskilled and how the appeals process actually works ( some consistency in decisions would be nice).
I've said for years we need to take the proceeds of one of these replays, and pay a team of GAA people, including those with legal backgrounds, even the likes of Brolly, to rewrite the rulebook top to bottom.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 02, 2014, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
wow there Sheehy, lets slow that down a biteen now. How did the ref see it is the point, he seen the incident as a penalty, has to be a card sin e, yellow or balck who cares , has to be one or the other, it wasnt because the dirty rotten meath f**ker yellowed out of it because it was bath time for enright . Even up the Keegan technicality is all it was, you know it, we know it everybody knows it and pat mcanneany knows it ( he had a nice seat at croker on sunday beside his buddy from Kerry)
thats a black card right there
Definitely a red in my book and if Hardy and the boys get wind of this it could be worse.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
wow there Sheehy, lets slow that down a biteen now. How did the ref see it is the point, he seen the incident as a penalty, has to be a card sin e, yellow or balck who cares , has to be one or the other, it wasnt because the dirty rotten meath f**ker yellowed out of it because it was bath time for enright . Even up the Keegan technicality is all it was, you know it, we know it everybody knows it and pat mcanneany knows it ( he had a nice seat at croker on sunday beside his buddy from Kerry)
No you are the one that needs to slow down and read what I actually wrote. ::)
I'm not disputing that he pulled him down or disputing the rights or wrongs of no black card being given. What I said is that BEFORE the penalty there was a clear push on Enright so no push=O'Connor doesn't get the ball=Enright doesn't pull him down=no card OR penalty.
Like I said, I don't blame mayo for being pissed off at the ref....but we had plenty to complain about him as well. Stop having a go at us because of the ref.
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Je hi , just remembering that Derry beat Mayo this year in the NFL semi final.
Bad year for Mayo.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
Quote from: theticklemister on September 02, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
Je hi , just remembering that Derry beat Mayo this year in the NFL semi final.
Bad year for Mayo.
;D haha, you are a bad man. Some serious yapping going on here, take your beating and move on ffs, yis had ample opportunities in the past four years to win an AL and bottled it every time. Its boring now, sympathy is rapidly turning into apathy.
Quote from: Mano on September 02, 2014, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
Donaghy was being pulled and dragged all day. You lads seem to think that just because he is a big lad that a pull or drag on him is not a foul. It is. He was fouled everytime the ball was contested for the simple reason that the players marking him couldn't compete with him physically so they had to pull and drag him. That's fair enough. We'd have done the same thing but a foul is a foul.
....and, of course lets not mention the "attention" that JOD was getting during both games. That seems to have escaped ye're eagle eyes ::) it was a fair game overall but Mayo didn't hold back to put it mildly.
Congrats to kerry, their dominance at MF in particular won it for them.
Very poor refereeing from Reilly though and it's not good enough. Players and management put their lives on hold and for a ref to have such an influence on a big game is unacceptable. As mike said, it's not Kerry's fault however. It was mayo at the wrong end of it this time around but it could be any county next time out and you can be sure any set of supporters would be pissed off. How to provide that consistency though? 2nd ref? Video ref for some incidents? Better training??
In the meantime, all Mayo people should punch any meath men they meet for the next 4 weeks, should ease the pain
On a related note, there needs to be consistency in how brawls are dealt with - Armagh & Cavan have to feel pretty hard done by after seeing what happened in the Dublin/Meath match and again last Saturday without censure. Not saying there should be bans for Mayo/Kerry players but there should be consistency in how these things are handled
Pat Mceneany has commented on refereeing performances on tv this year, does he write a report or anything like that is for public viewing ?
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
What has got no mention is the early incident where Cillian O'Connor kicks Paul Murphy. Enright then goes in to back up his teammate and gets a yellow for his trouble. The right decision then would have been a red card for COC making the controversy over the penalty incident null and void.
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Quote from: Mano on January 01, 1970, 01:02:20 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
What has got no mention is the early incident where Cillian O'Connor kicks Paul Murphy. Enright then goes in to back up his teammate and gets a yellow for his trouble. The right decision then would have been a red card for COC making the controversy over the penalty incident null and void.
Exactly.
Swings and roundabouts....
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Quote from: Mano on January 01, 1970, 01:02:20 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
What has got no mention is the early incident where Cillian O'Connor kicks Paul Murphy. Enright then goes in to back up his teammate and gets a yellow for his trouble. The right decision then would have been a red card for COC making the controversy over the penalty incident null and void.
Exactly.
Swings and roundabouts....
I suppose you are right! The last 10 minutes of the 2011 All Ireland where Kerry certainly got none of the call comes to mind. But you have to say it was a deserved win for Dublin all the same!
I would. The ref wouldn't come into my top 5 reasons for losing that day, although he might be no. 6!
But you're picking incidents the ref didnt see.
I'm just trying to work out the mad reasoning he had behind his decision to not card Enright for the pen , when he obviously did see it as a foul hence he awarded the penalty. Its crazy that you're just ignoring this blatant act of unfairness. It was underhand, it stinks to the high heavens, it was biased, it was cheating, it was balancing the act for keegan getting off with technicality from the first game sending off.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: Mano on September 02, 2014, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
He didn't give free kicks for shoulder to the chest, for mauling, pulling and dragging and you want a free for 2 lads contesting a ball. Although he did give something similar to Donaghy against Keane in first period of extra time. Should have been a black or yellow card and off for an early bath for Enright
Donaghy was being pulled and dragged all day. You lads seem to think that just because he is a big lad that a pull or drag on him is not a foul. It is. He was fouled everytime the ball was contested for the simple reason that the players marking him couldn't compete with him physically so they had to pull and drag him. That's fair enough. We'd have done the same thing but a foul is a foul.
....and, of course lets not mention the "attention" that JOD was getting during both games. That seems to have escaped ye're eagle eyes ::) it was a fair game overall but Mayo didn't hold back to put it mildly.
Believe it or not Michael, I agree with you.
Mayo were trying to do to Donaghy what you shower had done to Keegan in the drawn game. Obviously, we have a bit to learn yet because your man didn't retaliate, in full view of the ref anyway, but we're gaining ground all the time.
I don't blame Kerry for beating us in any way. I don't think ye are any dirtier than we are but the crucial point is that Cormac's mistakes cost ye less than they cost us.
Reilly's wrong call didn't cost us the game, they helped but so did James Horan's lack of tactical acumen.
Leaving Cafferky on Donaghy when it became painfully obvious that he wasn't up to the task didn't help our cause either. Neither did the fact that we lost control at midfield. Seamie O'Shea was okay but Barry Moran was struggling from the off although he wasn't taken off until the closing stages. By then the damage was done.
While I'm on the rant I'll say that Robbie Hennelly's kickouts were a disaster. Little or no variation as he rained them down on midfield where the Kerry buckos were scooping them up. Yet, no reaction from the sideline.
I never thought the day would come when I'd criticise James Horan and I do appreciate what he has done for the county but Saturday wasn't one of his better days.
I'll have to watch the game again so, all i could see for crucial frees was jostling between donaghy and keane and donaghy like he got all day got the benefit of the doubt.
Keane made a point of not fouling but standing his ground but was punished for it.
There was bad calls made against both sides, even for the last free in normal time that Hennelly took, a Kerry player was clearly fouled before hand but Mayo were given a chance to win the came. It was far from a biased performance from the ref. It was a bad performance but not biased.
I know it's hard to accept, we all notice the bad calls made against our team but don't notice many that go in our favour. I was a bit biased watching the match as I had a little investment on Kerry and I was of the opinion that the ref was being kind to Mayo. At the end of it all the better team won, Kerry dominated midfield and had far more dangerous options in attack. It's a credit to Mayo to stay in it for so long but they were beaten by a better team on the day, not the ref. It's as simple as that.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 09:44:23 PM
I'll have to watch the game again so, all i could see for crucial frees was jostling between donaghy and keane and donaghy like he got all day got the benefit of the doubt.
Keane made a point of not fouling but standing his ground but was punished for it.
I wasn't at the game myself but was told that his marker was literally hanging off him everytime the ball came near them. From what I saw on TV there was , at minimum, an arm pull everytime he contested the ball. Like I said earlier, I think people think that just because he is a big lad that that is not a foul...it is. If he has the advantage of height and weight then that doesn't mean the standard should be lowered just for him.
Marc O'Se/Enright or O'Mahony will be in the same situation against Murphy/McFadden in the final and might just as easily get destroyed. It's not an easy one to fix...sacrifice a midfielder..? can they even play full back ? Sometimes it all boils down to the form of the forward on the day. Hopefully they will not hit the heights Donaghy did.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 09:49:38 PM
There was bad calls made against both sides, even for the last free in normal time that Hennelly took, a Kerry player was clearly fouled before hand but Mayo were given a chance to win the came. It was far from a biased performance from the ref. It was a bad performance but not biased.
I know it's hard to accept, we all notice the bad calls made against our team but don't notice many that go in our favour. I was a bit biased watching the match as I had a little investment on Kerry and I was of the opinion that the ref was being kind to Mayo. At the end of it all the better team won, Kerry dominated midfield and had far more dangerous options in attack. It's a credit to Mayo to stay in it for so long but they were beaten by a better team on the day, not the ref. It's as simple as that.
Yeah, when you think hard about it take out all the discrepancies, soft penalties, Non red cards and general decision making of the referee, it had no real bearing on the result. McStay said in his column this week that RTE would only give him a certain amount of time to show the errors of the referee. So constrained by this he could not show all the footage he had gathered from the game about the referee only a summary. You are right Mike Sheehy it's of little relevance.
or lads getting off red cards under dubious circumstances...don't forget that
Or maybe doesn't live in Ireland any more? Don't be so sarky.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Or maybe doesn't live in Ireland any more? Don't be so sarky.
Look he's been looking down his nose giving his expert analysis from here say and TV coverage. It's a different story being at a Match!
You notice things 'differently' watching a match on tv. You see more stuff in my opinion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Or maybe doesn't live in Ireland any more? Don't be so sarky.
Maybe he was one of the glory hunters in Croker AZ >:(
Nope. That was me :D But I'm neither Kerry nor Mayo. Neither are you by the way, unless you're from Ballagh?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 10:57:55 PM
Nope. That was me :D But I'm neither Kerry nor Mayo. Neither are you by the way, unless you're from Ballagh?
Low blow :(
Quote from: screenexile on September 02, 2014, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 02, 2014, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 02, 2014, 02:33:30 PM
The ref didn't cost Mayo the game, Mayo were destroyed in the second half of extra time and should have been well beaten in normal time. He didn't have a great game but he made mistakes that cost both Kerry and Mayo. All penalty decisions were correct, the frees awarded to Donaghy were also correct. If you watch the replays you can clearly see Keane pulling him back.
Keane was obviously told that he had to be physical, he got too distracted by this thought and never concentrated on the ball. Mayo are short a few to win an All Ireland. Obviously they need a couple of extra top level forwards, a full back and they need some more pace around the middle. They might be able to find a few to cover these positions but then they've got the problem in their heads to overcome. That will be the hardest part of all to resolve.
complete and utter horseshite.
under the rules of the game, Shane Enright should not have been on the field after 16 minutes, theres no ifs and or buts about that. With 14 men for what would have been 60 minutes Kerry would not have won. Mayo would have been miles on the scoreboard after the penalty with a numerical advantage and would have driven on. you can point to what Mayo did the week before but history shows that kind of performance is not really possible for longer than about 30 minutes. Mayo were also lucky the week before that Keegan was sent off just before half time. 20 minutes earlier than that, and I suggest kerry would almost have been out of sight at half time in the first game. With that decision the referee cost Mayo the game because not only did it not give Mayo the numerical advantage Enrights actions deserved it also sent the signal "you can do what the f**k you like" and they did. Dress it up any other way you like but that is exactly what happened.
Fact is the narrative all changes because of the result, if Rob Hennelley's kick had gone over then most of the positives written about Kerry would have been negatives (with the probable exception of David Morans performance which was top class) and vice versa.
What's to say Mayo would have won with Kerry at 14 men? Kerry had the man advantage last week and they didn't win. Mayo had a man advantage against Derry in the NL Semi Final and lost that game.
Lads the slagging of the referee is getting out of hand at this stage and looks ridiculous especially with the pictures of Reilly running for the Changing Room and the Garda lying prostrate surrounded by Mayo 'supportes'! Show me a man that hasn't been wronged by a referee at some stage and I'll show you the man who doesn't exist. Reilly had a tough task on Saturday and he didn't perform well but all this talk of bias and his wife being from Kerry is nonsense.
As Shannon mentioned in his article Horan always preached that you take charge of the things you have control of and the referee is not one of those. Mayo did not perform well enough with the things they could control so they lost!!
Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
One golden rule I have is never, ever put the boot in the aftermath of a game if you win but, jesus, some of you lads are making it hard ::) I get that you are pissed off at the ref but stop having a go at us because of that.
I was watching the game as a Kerry fan. You watched it as a Mayo fan. Practically every decision that went against us I could question. You (obviously!!) are the same. There were periods, especially in the first half where, it seemed we only had to touch a Mayoman and he got a free.
I also want to put the record straight on one thing on the Enright penalty since ye are complaining about it so much.... Remember when they were Jostling before the ball dropped ? Enright was facing toward his own goal and couldn't see the ball..well, there was a clear push by O'Connor on Enright right before he got that ball. That push did three things,it allowed O'Connor to gather the ball, unbalanced Enright and gave him the split second to get away forcing Enright to pull him down.
I'm not saying it was a huge push but it was definitely a foul in my book so if you are going to go through every incident forensically then you need to take everything into account.
So instead of getting a penalty and a black card for Enright it might have been a free out to Kerry. Since you got the penalty and scored I would say that it worked out fair enough in the end.
Donagh pushed, arsed, held off Caff. for most of his possessions. In first Kerry penalty decision the only foul I saw was the initial push by Donaghy on Caff.
Just sayin. Look well done Kerry. I believe in winning any way you can. No harm in accepting that ye got vital calls either. I know I would.
So what?The ref made the calls not Kerry.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Or maybe doesn't live in Ireland any more? Don't be so sarky.
Look he's been looking down his nose giving his expert analysis from here say and TV coverage. It's a different story being at a Match!
listen laddie, even living abroad I've probably been at more matches than you over the years, and that includes good days and bad ..including coming home for club matches so you can f**k right off with that attitude.
Quote from: charlieTully on September 02, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 02, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
Je hi , just remembering that Derry beat Mayo this year in the NFL semi final.
Bad year for Mayo.
;D haha, you are a bad man. Some serious yapping going on here, take your beating and move on ffs, yis had ample opportunities in the past four years to win an AL and bottled it every time. Its boring now, sympathy is rapidly turning into apathy.
Piss off. Losing on Saturday and the other days had nothing to do with bottle. Disrespectful shite. Don t wan t your sympathy and couldn t care less for your apathy.
Is there any way this thread can be locked......I cant take it anymore
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2014, 12:02:03 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 02, 2014, 11:43:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Or maybe doesn't live in Ireland any more? Don't be so sarky.
Look he's been looking down his nose giving his expert analysis from here say and TV coverage. It's a different story being at a Match!
listen laddie, even living abroad I've probably been at more matches than you over the years, and that includes good days and bad ..including coming home for club matches so you can f**k right off with that attitude.
My apologies, I just assumed you were a lazy armchair follower! Being abroad is a decent excuse for not going to the Match. Apologies again for my assumption!
accepted.
Lets just leave it. What is done is done.
There has been about 30 pages of shite being written here since the reply.
Quote from: theticklemister on September 03, 2014, 12:19:18 AM
There has been about 30 pages of shite being written here since the reply.
And people were complaining about the thread only being at 12 pages a week and a half ago.
We have no choice but to leave it Mike. Thats the way it works , its part of competitive sport, the bigger more traditional winning teams get the decisions .
There is no doubt in my mind we have left this one behind us though and thats leaving aside all complaints against officials, venue for replay etc.
All we had to do was keep ye out for a goal the first day, Donaghy with the same one dimensional tactical play not alone created the goal the first day but was let dictate for the replay after we get ample warning. ( i mean ffs it happened 8 fu ck ing years ago too) Sometimes i wonder are we for real at all. Still nobody can give me a half reasonable answer as to why a bigger man wasnt tried on him even if it was after 20 mins of trying Caff id understand . Cant fathom it all man, its beyond me.What was there to lose , caff was getting murdered
Quote from: theticklemister on September 03, 2014, 12:19:18 AM
There has been about 30 pages of shite being written here since the reply.
Don t recall anybody replying to your earlier attempt to piss people off.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 12:28:21 AM
We have no choice but to leave it Mike. Thats the way it works , its part of competitive sport, the bigger more traditional winning teams get the decisions .
There is no doubt in my mind we have left this one behind us though and thats leaving aside all complaints against officials, venue for replay etc.
All we had to do was keep ye out for a goal the first day, Donaghy with the same one dimensional tactical play not alone created the goal the first day but was let dictate for the replay after we get ample warning. ( i mean ffs it happened 8 f* ck ing years ago too) Sometimes i wonder are we for real at all. Still nobody can give me a half reasonable answer as to why a bigger man wasnt tried on him even if it was after 20 mins of trying Caff id understand . Cant fathom it all man, its beyond me.What was there to lose , caff was getting murdered
People talked about sacrificing a midfielder on him e.g AOS but that would have been sacrificing your best player and would have been an even more obvious suicide.The problem wasn't the full back line it was the delivery. The delivery was good and consistent and that all stemmed from us winning midfield. It doesn't matter who you are talking about, Cillian O'Connor, JOD, Donaghy..if you get that much quality ball you will clean up. We know this because we have seen them pump endless shit ball into Donaghy and lose on the bad days !
If Donegal get that kind of ball into Murphy/McFadden against Marc O'Se/Enright (especially Enright) we will be destroyed as well. Marc O'Se is like Higgins..pure class but none of that matters if they are trying to arse box the likes of Donaghy/Murphy off the ball. You have to stop
quality delivery. Disaster will follow if you don't.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 03, 2014, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 12:28:21 AM
We have no choice but to leave it Mike. Thats the way it works , its part of competitive sport, the bigger more traditional winning teams get the decisions .
There is no doubt in my mind we have left this one behind us though and thats leaving aside all complaints against officials, venue for replay etc.
All we had to do was keep ye out for a goal the first day, Donaghy with the same one dimensional tactical play not alone created the goal the first day but was let dictate for the replay after we get ample warning. ( i mean ffs it happened 8 f* ck ing years ago too) Sometimes i wonder are we for real at all. Still nobody can give me a half reasonable answer as to why a bigger man wasnt tried on him even if it was after 20 mins of trying Caff id understand . Cant fathom it all man, its beyond me.What was there to lose , caff was getting murdered
People talked about sacrificing a midfielder on him e.g AOS but that would have been sacrificing your best player and would have been an even more obvious suicide.The problem wasn't the full back line it was the delivery. The delivery was good and consistent and that all stemmed from us winning midfield. It doesn't matter who you are talking about, Cillian O'Connor, JOD, Donaghy..if you get that much quality ball you will clean up. We know this because we have seen them pump endless shit ball into Donaghy and lose on the bad days !
If Donegal get that kind of ball into Murphy/McFadden against Marc O'Se/Enright (especially Enright) we will be destroyed as well. Marc O'Se is like Higgins..pure class but none of that matters if they are trying to arse box the likes of Donaghy/Murphy off the ball. You have to stop quality delivery. Disaster will follow if you don't.
Exactly. People say a lot about our full back line. They are the most exposed full back line in the country, that is the way Mayo play.
Mayo's game is about pressure high up the pitch. When this works, the ball going in is poor, which gives our defenders a chance, as they are as good as any one-on-one.
In the first game, Mayo's 'middle 8' were wrecked by the last ten minutes, a little bit late to David Moran was enough for him to get a pinpoint ball to Donaghy for the goal.
In the second game, if we win midfield and pressure the 40% or whatever Kerry win, Caff deals with Donaghy. Mayo weren't going to change their whole style for the replay. It would have been madness.
Congrats to Kerry.
Anyone know what the possession stats were in the replay? It seemed like 60-65% for Kerry from where I was standing!!
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
LADS it over
We wont be the last team to be screwed by an incompetent ref
The ref could Score Quiet well with Mceananey as he referreed a really good Game of Football.
Had he been more picky he could have destroyed the flow of the game and when your get the feeling The ref is against you its very easy to become Paranoid and think every decision is unfair.
I fucked him out of it as much as anyone but its over now and Mayo have to Start Again
Time to move on lads. Best of luck to both teams for the final.
AOS spoke very well last night on newstalk. Great to hear that communication is good between the team and CB and hopefully that will continue.
He answered some pretty stupid questions very well, i.e. Parkinson asking him should a member of the team be part of the selection committee, did you ever hear the like of it? AOS gave the right answer in saying something along the lines of it wasn't the place of the team or team members to decide.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Well if you want to talk about that then Murphy should have gone for the dig he gave O'Connor off the ball earlier than that which wouldnt have been out of place in a night club car park at 3 in the morning, and which if seen by a Guard in that car park would have you up in front of the nearest district court. Keep going back if you like and we'll be talking about shoulders in the tunnel before the team came out.
Rediculous childish arguement, "what about, what about", the only things that matter are what the ref actually SAW and did nothing about. Things people get away with off the ball, while they shouldnt happen they do, and I'm sure COC or James O'Donoghue or whoever are well used to it and can stand up for themselves.
We lost, Kerry won, fair play to them, but it has nothing to do with them having additional bottle, or determiniation or hunger. They came out on the right side of some ridiculous calls which if they had gone Mayos way, Mayo would have won. If the shoe was on the other foot Kerry people would be apoplectic and they would be right to be so, so please dont tell Mayo people in a round about kind of way that " its all part of sport, swings and roundabouts, thems the breaks", pat on the head and we should just get on with it. We will just get on with it, we have no other choice now, but Kerry people should at least be honest about it and say jays we got lucky their and Mayo ye got screwed. It wont change the result but a bit of honesty about the whole thing would make some of us at least, move on a small bit faster.
Its clear to me that there does seem to be some kind of unconscious retribution at play in the minds of GAA officials. I think in some round about kind of way, and I'm not suggesting Reilly did this deliberately, but the hoopla about the Cork game and then the overturning of Lee Keegans red, must have had some sort of influence on him. On that basis, I think Kerry can look forward to getting ridden like we did, except this time in the All Ireland final. Come back then and tell us how that feels, because we'll be right here to remind ye that it's all part of sport, swings and roundabouts, thems the breaks and all that other guff from the Liam Hayes school of punditry.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Bejaysus, no offence intend here, horse, but you seem to belong to the Tony Fearon school of logic
Either that or you are a WUM. (Probably both.)
The poor devil in the middle of it all made lots of mistakes and if, say, Tom Ó Se or any other TV pundit did what McStay did, he could come up with equally damning evidence of Reilly's mistakes throughout the game.
But one cop out doesn't cancel another.
COC deserved a red card you say and you may well be right. Nobody else seems to see that your way but you're entitled to your opinion. But Enright stayed on the field after giving away a penalty and that's a matter of fact, not an opinion.
Whether he went back to help out his team mate or to scratch his arse in immaterial, he got a yellow card and should have walked for the second offence.
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2014, 11:44:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 02, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 02, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
Je hi , just remembering that Derry beat Mayo this year in the NFL semi final.
Bad year for Mayo.
;D haha, you are a bad man. Some serious yapping going on here, take your beating and move on ffs, yis had ample opportunities in the past four years to win an AL and bottled it every time. Its boring now, sympathy is rapidly turning into apathy.
Piss off. Losing on Saturday and the other days had nothing to do with bottle. Disrespectful shite. Don t wan t your sympathy and couldn t care less for your apathy.
apathetic about my apathy?
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Ok. This is the second time you've mentioned this. Who are you trying to convince that this actually happened. Justify the ref performance all you want and keep denying Mayo were rode senseless the last day but can you please stop making up complete and utter shite.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 03, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Ok. This is the second time you've mentioned this. Who are you trying to convince that this actually happened. Justify the ref performance all you want and keep denying Mayo were rode senseless the last day but can you please stop making up complete and utter shite.
Haven't posted on this thread since game as it's just been mental.
Just on this though, Enright should have had a black card for the penalty no doubt..but those saying it should have been red are forgetting that he got booked for next to nothing early on.
If a better ref was in charge I would suggest that wouldn't have happened, but he then would have got black and been replaced by Marc anyway.
All just theoretical and in no way detracts from the justified anger Mayo fans will feel towards Reilly.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 03, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Ok. This is the second time you've mentioned this. Who are you trying to convince that this actually happened. Justify the ref performance all you want and keep denying Mayo were rode senseless the last day but can you please stop making up complete and utter shite.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that COC would kick someone?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 03, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Just on this though, Enright should have had a black card for the penalty no doubt..but those saying it should have been red are forgetting that he got booked for next to nothing early on.
Himself and O'Connor were going at it and about four or five players joined in, all the while he play was going on down other end of the pitch. It certainly was not "next to nothing". Fully deserved more like.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2014, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 03, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Just on this though, Enright should have had a black card for the penalty no doubt..but those saying it should have been red are forgetting that he got booked for next to nothing early on.
Himself and O'Connor were going at it and about four or five players joined in, all the while he play was going on down other end of the pitch. It certainly was not "next to nothing". Fully deserved more like.
This one happened right in front of me, imediately after the ball had moved away from Enright and COC Enright started swinging at COC and grabbing and wrestling him. Obviously trying to niggle but my feck if it wasn't incredibly cynical stuff. If anything it should have only been a yellow to Enright, not both. Certainly it wasn't a yellow for nothing. Enright was the luckiest boy in Ireland to survive for more than 20 minutes in that match.
Quote from: Sidney on September 03, 2014, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 03, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Just on this though, Enright should have had a black card for the penalty no doubt..but those saying it should have been red are forgetting that he got booked for next to nothing early on.
Himself and O'Connor were going at it and about four or five players joined in, all the while he play was going on down other end of the pitch. It certainly was not "next to nothing". Fully deserved more like.
I was watching it Sidney..There was no punches thrown by either man that I saw. They had a hold of each other and ended up on the ground mainly due to others rushing in on top of them. Handbags really.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 03, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 03, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Ok. This is the second time you've mentioned this. Who are you trying to convince that this actually happened. Justify the ref performance all you want and keep denying Mayo were rode senseless the last day but can you please stop making up complete and utter shite.
Haven't posted on this thread since game as it's just been mental.
Just on this though, Enright should have had a black card for the penalty no doubt..but those saying it should have been red are forgetting that he got booked for next to nothing early on.
If a better ref was in charge I would suggest that wouldn't have happened, but he then would have got black and been replaced by Marc anyway.
All just theoretical and in no way detracts from the justified anger Mayo fans will feel towards Reilly.
Good man, a bit of sense from the "other side of the fence" at last.
But as you say, we're into theory here.
I imagine a better ref wouldn't have left such a mess behind him but that's pure speculation.
I would accept the colour of the card that ref would have shown Enright. That would be up to him and he would be nearer the action than I was.
But Ernright was already booked for a transgression and that shouldn't determine the colour of the card he would get for giving away the penalty.
What he did to get booked earlier was innocuous enough but the fact is he got booked. Lee Keegan got sent off in the previous game and he did even less to merit his red card.
Reilly awarded a penalty against Enright.
Therefore, he decided that he had dragged his man down.
Going by Coldrick's interpretation of the rules, Enright should have walked. Reilly didn't even see fit to issue a card of any colour.
I'm just trying to highlight the lack of consistency when it comes to interpreting the rules. NO wonder players get frustrated.
Anyway, good luck to Kerry, I've no problems with your win but I wouldn't let Reilly within an asses' roar of a whistle again if I could help it.
There wasn't much love for 'Coldrick's interpretation of the rules' around Mayo last week Lar.
To the Kerry posters. Time to move on lads.
This is history. Lets focus on the real enemy.
Your county needs you.
Quote from: charlieTully on September 03, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2014, 11:44:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 02, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 02, 2014, 05:43:01 PM
Je hi , just remembering that Derry beat Mayo this year in the NFL semi final.
Bad year for Mayo.
;D haha, you are a bad man. Some serious yapping going on here, take your beating and move on ffs, yis had ample opportunities in the past four years to win an AL and bottled it every time. Its boring now, sympathy is rapidly turning into apathy.
Piss off. Losing on Saturday and the other days had nothing to do with bottle. Disrespectful shite. Don t wan t your sympathy and couldn t care less for your apathy.
apathetic about my apathy?
I've taken my beating and moved on. What else can I do?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2014, 05:57:33 PM
There wasn't much love for 'Coldrick's interpretation of the rules' around Mayo last week Lar.
Funny you should say that. I never realised it until you pointed it out to me.
Maybe, while you're at it, you might tell me what the reason for this lack of love for the
bollix,
a**hole,
Meath mucksavage gentleman as I haven't got a clue. ;D
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 03, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 03, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 11:51:31 PM
''Nonsense. So what if Mayo struggled in a few areas? No team performance is perfect. Crucial ref decisions kept Kerry in match (even if early Mayo scores were against run of play, so what? You could make same observation for Donegal's first goal. That s sport), and gave them some momentum. The non sending off of Enright was a huge cop out. Kerry would not have survived with 14. Look at the toll playing with 14 for a half left likes of Boyle, Vaughan, Seamie off the boil the last day after the effort in second half in Croke Park.
Kerry did not have to work as hard first day, but after a 6 day turn about Kerry with 14 for 50 mins would have been destroyed . Remember Enright later took out Aidan O Sé with a cheap shot before being replaced. Case for giving Enright most important player. Sent in to do hatchet job and gets away scot free before being prudently replaced by Mark O Sé. Surprised by the innocence of some 'neutral' posters on here. The game was decided by ref decisions and the collision between O Shea and O Connor. Collisions cant be legislated for but can t recall many important games being influenced by such refereeing. To suggest that a team should be able to win anyway if they are good enough is risible tosay the least.
Fair play to Kerry - they tested the referee in both games and got a lot of licence to sledge. Meanwhile Higgins in comparison was gentlemanly in his efforts to mark O Donoghue. Cafferkey was more fouled against than fouled imo. We still have a lot to learn from Kerry and its not about marquee forwards. And we were supposed to be a street wise team ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I think most Mayo posters would agree that we would not have got away with anything like that. Tradition counts for a lot.''
TRUE WORDS THERE
Another fine post by the best poster in here by a country mile imho.
The biggest cop out was giving COC a yellow card instead of red for the early incident when he kicked Paul Murphy and compounding his error by giving Enright a yellow for going in to back up his teammate. It makes all the arguments about the red card for the penalty incident null and void as COC shouldn't have even been on the pitch.
Ok. This is the second time you've mentioned this. Who are you trying to convince that this actually happened. Justify the ref performance all you want and keep denying Mayo were rode senseless the last day but can you please stop making up complete and utter shite.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that COC would kick someone?
Because the incident happened right in front of me. So I ask you again please stop making up bullshit to push an agenda on this.
Hopefully after this debacle Cormac Reilly will never referee again he's an absolute f**king disgrace and always has been. It's a pity its taken him destroying an all Ireland semi final for people to see this
Quote from: Go home ref on September 03, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
Hopefully after this debacle Cormac Reilly will never referee again he's an absolute f**king disgrace and always has been. It's a pity its taken him destroying an all Ireland semi final for people to see this
Did you name yourself after witnessing Cormac Reilly reffing once or what? ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2014, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: Go home ref on September 03, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
Hopefully after this debacle Cormac Reilly will never referee again he's an absolute f**king disgrace and always has been. It's a pity its taken him destroying an all Ireland semi final for people to see this
Did you name yourself after witnessing Cormac Reilly reffing once or what? ;)
;D ;D ;D
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mayo-mick-says-his-pitchside-entrance-will-never-happen-again-284334.html
What an absolute disgrace and embarrassment
I'd disagree with that, the man is an out and out disgrace to Mayo and the GAA, should have been thrown out of the Gaelic Grounds and hopefully he'll come on here and ready what an embarrassment he is to his county with his actions.
If I were the editor of the Examiner I would not have published the article
I thought the reaction to that was interesting. It seemed to be a bit of a laugh. There were photos posted in Supermacs afterwards with supporters as if he were a legend of some sort. If I were him, and lost the rag like that, I'd be absolutely mortified and apologising to all around me, including the GAA and the ref.
I saw the footage as well, and couldn't believe he was just escorted back to his seat by one of the stewards he had been doing a one man rolling maul with a minute earlier.
I'm sure he's not a bad fella, and lost his temper in very trying circumstances as a Mayo man, but Jaysus you cannot go on the field after a ref. There's a danger that this is seen as a bit of craic, and sure isn't the GAA gas the way it inspires passion.
I'm loathe to use whataboutery, but if this was Soccer, he'd have been thrown out of the ground, and arrested.
As for this "He added that if the match had been replayed in Croke Park, and not the Gaelic Grounds, he would not have been able to get onto the pitch in the first place". What a load of bollix.
By the way, I hope this is not 'our' Mayo Mick.
It's the classic GAA shamozzle AZ and for me the biggest problems in these is always the backroom staff. One of the Mayo backroom staff gets involved ( I think it might be Ed Coughlan although I can't be sure?) which infuriates the Kerry players which in turn fires up another Mayo player. As the brawl moves close to the end line you can see a Kerry fan behind the goal looses the plot and runs on to get at the Mayo mentor/runner. Fair play to the one steward on his own here who grabs the fan and hauls him off immediately. Then the Mayo man gets involved. I can't help feel that the Mayo mentor then the Kerry fan getting involved spurred on Mayo Mick to get in on the act . Bottom line is if a mentor ( not medical staff) runs on to get involved he should get a side line ban along with a hefty fine for the county team also as this is what escalates most fracas everytime.If it is just players pushing and shoving then I don't think you would see many fans running on to get involved!! Also any fan running on the pitch during a match should be arrested by Gardai , looked up for the night then released with a hefty fine to pay.
Shure Mayo Mick should be the poster boy of our sport....it is mad men like him that set us aside from the cissy brigade playing soccer and the puritanical wannabe hardmen playing rugby... we should have more Mad Micks from Mayo and the like!!! Dopey Deco from Dublin, Carnapcious Con from Cork, and Alluring Aine from Sligo (sorry about the lack of alliteration in the last one but we all know that Aine would be a great streaker!!!
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QuoteO'Shea refused blood-sub entry
Mayo's Aidan O'Shea was not permitted back onto the pitch at the start of Saturday's second half as a blood substitute.
The Irish Examiner has been informed by Mayo team sources that O'Shea, despite bleeding after a clash of heads with Cillian O'Connor in first-half injury-time, could only return to the field as a full substitute.
Last year's All Star midfielder had made way just before half-time to be replaced by Tom Parsons and on the resumption of play was prepared to return to the pitch.
However, what followed was a disagreement between James Horan and referee Cormac Reilly where the senior match official informed the manager O'Shea would not be permitted back on as a temporary blood substitute.
Strangely, Reilly gave the go-ahead to O'Connor, who wore a change of jersey (No14 to 28), being replaced by Alan Freeman at half-time. O'Connor then returned to the fray in place of Freeman in the 42nd minute.
O'Shea, who didn't change his No11 jersey, spent the first 14 minutes of the second-half on the sideline before being reintroduced as a full substitute for first-half replacement Michael Conroy in the 49th minute.
Neither O'Shea nor O'Connor are understood to have suffered concussion although both were groggy after the first-half incident.
The news of O'Shea being refused entry onto the field as a blood substitute is sure to rile Mayo supporters further.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/oshea-refused-blood-sub-entry-284351.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/oshea-refused-blood-sub-entry-284351.html)
Shocking altogether... wasnt aware of this, thought they were trying to give as much time as possible
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/2202140725-gaa-congress-2014-day-2-live
12:43pm GMT
Motion 32 – Numbering of Jerseys
Very simply, a player will not be allowed to enter the field of play with a number over the maximum allowed on a match-day panel. For example, in a senior inter-county game, no player with a number over 26 will be allowed on to the field. If there is a late change in playing personnel from the match-day programme, the new player will take the number of the player he is replacing. A blood sub will have to come on with a fresh jersey bearing his original number or he can be identified alphabetically – A, B, C, D, E etc.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/2202140725-gaa-congress-2014-day-2-live
12:43pm GMT
Motion 32 – Numbering of Jerseys
Very simply, a player will not be allowed to enter the field of play with a number over the maximum allowed on a match-day panel. For example, in a senior inter-county game, no player with a number over 26 will be allowed on to the field. If there is a late change in playing personnel from the match-day programme, the new player will take the number of the player he is replacing. A blood sub will have to come on with a fresh jersey bearing his original number or he can be identified alphabetically – A, B, C, D, E etc.
O'Connor wore the number 28, and he was allowed on again. That is not the issue.
If the article is correct, O'Sé was allowed back only '..as a full substitute'. That had nothing to do with jersey number. A blood substitution takes place on the instruction of the referee. He ordered O'Sé off, and bear in mind there is no time limit on a blood substitution, and evidently he wasted one of our substitutions by refusing to allow O'Sé to return in place of the temporary sub.
If this is true, it would only add to the perception of the poor performance of the ref that day.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
I'm loathe to use whataboutery, but if this was Soccer, he'd have been thrown out of the ground, and arrested.
If he was from Louth of course he'd have been arrested and charged.........
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/2202140725-gaa-congress-2014-day-2-live
12:43pm GMT
Motion 32 – Numbering of Jerseys
Very simply, a player will not be allowed to enter the field of play with a number over the maximum allowed on a match-day panel. For example, in a senior inter-county game, no player with a number over 26 will be allowed on to the field. If there is a late change in playing personnel from the match-day programme, the new player will take the number of the player he is replacing. A blood sub will have to come on with a fresh jersey bearing his original number or he can be identified alphabetically – A, B, C, D, E etc.
Incorrect. We've all seen players with numbers over 26 if their own jersey is ripped or bloodied.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/2202140725-gaa-congress-2014-day-2-live
12:43pm GMT
Motion 32 – Numbering of Jerseys
Very simply, a player will not be allowed to enter the field of play with a number over the maximum allowed on a match-day panel. For example, in a senior inter-county game, no player with a number over 26 will be allowed on to the field. If there is a late change in playing personnel from the match-day programme, the new player will take the number of the player he is replacing. A blood sub will have to come on with a fresh jersey bearing his original number or he can be identified alphabetically – A, B, C, D, E etc.
Incorrect. We've all seen players with numbers over 26 if their own jersey is ripped or bloodied.
I'm merely giving the GAA's explanation of the motion that was passed at congress this year.
Given that Horan only made three substitutions in the 70 minutes anyway, I don't see how Mayo would have been robbed of a substitution even if Reilly had mistakenly counted an extra one.
Motion 32 was rejected!
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Motion 32 was rejected!
Oh crap. I'll take this as a clamping and move on after I've paid the charges.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 04, 2014, 09:42:15 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mayo-mick-says-his-pitchside-entrance-will-never-happen-again-284334.html
What an absolute disgrace and embarrassment
Mayo4Sam can you delete that last post? Man had nothing to do with the game and should be ignored. You are only feeding his ego and adding to his celebrity status!
you can't say it was 'nothing to do with the game' the guy is a mayo supporter who can be seen at any mayo game at most Grades.
you may not agree with his actions and neither would he when the blood cooled but to ignore such an obvious incident is pointless
Quote from: rosnarun on September 04, 2014, 03:23:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 04, 2014, 09:42:15 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mayo-mick-says-his-pitchside-entrance-will-never-happen-again-284334.html
What an absolute disgrace and embarrassment
Mayo4Sam can you delete that last post? Man had nothing to do with the game and should be ignored. You are only feeding his ego and adding to his celebrity status!
you can't say it was 'nothing to do with the game' the guy is a mayo supporter who can be seen at any mayo game at most Grades.
you may not agree with his actions and neither would he when the blood cooled but to ignore such an obvious incident is pointless
..and that's the story of how St. Patrick's replacement was born.
The next time Muppet posts a Paddy Joe video I'll post the gif of this lad storming the field and hulking out.
Haven't seen it discussed here but does anyone know what the story was with Ritchie Feeney coming on? He's been out in the cold for 12-18 months and then at a critical juncture he's brought back in, it seemed like a very strange decision. :o
He gave a good pass from a sideline ball for the opening point of the first half of extra time but unfortunately couldn't get hold of enough breaking ball thereafter to make a difference.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Haven't seen it discussed here but does anyone know what the story was with Ritchie Feeney coming on? He's been out in the cold for 12-18 months and then at a critical juncture he's brought back in, it seemed like a very strange decision. :o
He gave a good pass from a sideline ball for the opening point of the first half of extra time but unfortunately couldn't get hold of enough breaking ball thereafter to make a difference.
Who else did he have left? He was pretty much forced at gun-point to use him.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Motion 32 was rejected!
Oh crap. I'll take this as a clamping and move on after I've paid the charges.
Black card??
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Haven't seen it discussed here but does anyone know what the story was with Ritchie Feeney coming on? He's been out in the cold for 12-18 months and then at a critical juncture he's brought back in, it seemed like a very strange decision. :o
He gave a good pass from a sideline ball for the opening point of the first half of extra time but unfortunately couldn't get hold of enough breaking ball thereafter to make a difference.
Who else did he have left? He was pretty much forced at gun-point to use him.
Gibbons for one
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Haven't seen it discussed here but does anyone know what the story was with Ritchie Feeney coming on? He's been out in the cold for 12-18 months and then at a critical juncture he's brought back in, it seemed like a very strange decision. :o
He gave a good pass from a sideline ball for the opening point of the first half of extra time but unfortunately couldn't get hold of enough breaking ball thereafter to make a difference.
Who else did he have left? He was pretty much forced at gun-point to use him.
Gibbons for one
Could have swore he got on at some time but looking at the box score apparently not. It was a little strange then, but no more than Barry Moran starting after being the fifth choice midfielder and not featuring at all the first day. Parsons was probably the best of the lot and had he got the nod from the start.. who knows.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Haven't seen it discussed here but does anyone know what the story was with Ritchie Feeney coming on? He's been out in the cold for 12-18 months and then at a critical juncture he's brought back in, it seemed like a very strange decision. :o
He gave a good pass from a sideline ball for the opening point of the first half of extra time but unfortunately couldn't get hold of enough breaking ball thereafter to make a difference.
That would be exactly how I summed up his impact. The pass to Freeman (?) showed what he offers, but we needed him on the ball more.
Will it make 150 pages? ;D
Imagine if the GAA board was around in 1996, the All-Ireland thread would be 30000 pages at this stage, 99% of which would be giving out about the ref.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Imagine if the GAA board was around in 1996, the All-Ireland thread would be 30000 pages at this stage, 99% of which would be giving out about the ref.
Dunno.
If we can fill threads with posts like this, giving out about imaginary pre-internet internet-threads, it is hard to see that being outdone.
THe 1925 Connacht Championship was something else.
As for the All Ireland that year ..... :o
Awful shite.
Let me guess, before I open it. Billy Keane? Tries so hard to be john b. Fails fails fails.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2014, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
I'm loathe to use whataboutery, but if this was Soccer, he'd have been thrown out of the ground, and arrested.
If he was from Louth of course he'd have been arrested and charged.........
If he was from Tyrone, we'd give him the freedom of Derrytresk......
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Imagine if the GAA board was around in 1996, the All-Ireland thread would be 30000 pages at this stage, 99% of which would be giving out about the ref.
I think there would be more giving out in 1948 and 1925 finals!
Well we know you would still be whinging anyway.
Pictures from both matches. I was in the Upper Cusack for the first match but in a far more photogenic spot in Limerick.
Croke Park:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3924/15117633096_c8e0b01c70_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3843/14953986260_514526625f_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3853/14953956589_d1657dbc7e_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3855/14953988990_880a3d33fd_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3845/15140268222_6846affb8b_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3908/14953959259_d840df8a24_o.jpg)
Limerick:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3889/15140658875_e64255046d_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3920/15117655436_82bb61c7f5_o.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5570/14954114698_a58f423cb4_o.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5553/15137694211_f1398ab59b_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3926/15140661945_bec9b3995e_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3904/15140292192_109e107e15_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3911/14954121627_48b3b2170e_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3889/14954123557_1d7901612f_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3911/14954122188_b3bfec3a96_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3894/15117665716_176bc77e4b_o.jpg)
And that's only about the first half of the good ones from Limerick.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Imagine if the GAA board was around in 1996, the All-Ireland thread would be 30000 pages at this stage, 99% of which would be giving out about the ref.
Eh, '96 was a textbook refereeing performance.
Best ref in the country at the top of his game.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2014, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Imagine if the GAA board was around in 1996, the All-Ireland thread would be 30000 pages at this stage, 99% of which would be giving out about the ref.
Eh, '96 was a textbook refereeing performance.
Best ref in the country at the top of his game.
Yeah exactly like the textbook shooting performance from the Mayo forwards.
Best forwards in the country at the top of their game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html)
Embarrassing stuff!
The winners of tomorrow take their lead from the heroes of today. The dividend will be a definite All-Ireland win.
And when the cup is brought back home, the captain of the day will surely say, "we won it for the team of 2014, the bravest men of Mayo, who showed us the way."
How is this lad allowed write for a paper?
And is he related to BJK? WHo was awful both days and shouldnt be let near a kerry jersey
Donahy was unremarkable?
Moran's display was as good as anything Daragh O'Se ever had
Is he on f**king drugs?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 05, 2014, 09:30:19 AM
Donahy was unremarkable?
He said he was unmarkable not unremarkable
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 05, 2014, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html)
Embarrassing stuff!
The winners of tomorrow take their lead from the heroes of today. The dividend will be a definite All-Ireland win.
And when the cup is brought back home, the captain of the day will surely say, "we won it for the team of 2014, the bravest men of Mayo, who showed us the way."
How is this lad allowed write for a paper?
And is he related to BJK? WHo was awful both days and shouldnt be let near a kerry jersey
Donahy was unremarkable?
Moran's display was as good as anything Daragh O'Se ever had
Is he on f**king drugs?
Football as open heart surgery - raw, bleeding, pumping -
- also sterile, vulnerable to infections, time consuming, expensive, end of a long process of poor exercise, have to wait ages for it
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 05, 2014, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-as-open-heart-surgery-raw-bleeding-pumping-30551207.html)
Embarrassing stuff!
The winners of tomorrow take their lead from the heroes of today. The dividend will be a definite All-Ireland win.
And when the cup is brought back home, the captain of the day will surely say, "we won it for the team of 2014, the bravest men of Mayo, who showed us the way."
How is this lad allowed write for a paper?
And is he related to BJK? WHo was awful both days and shouldnt be let near a kerry jersey
Donahy was unremarkable?
Moran's display was as good as anything Daragh O'Se ever had
Is he on f**king drugs?
Football as open heart surgery - raw, bleeding, pumping -
- also sterile, vulnerable to infections, time consuming, expensive, end of a long process of poor exercise, have to wait ages for it
And Galway are bad at both.
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
And the propaganda continues. No yerra me b*llocks! The whole article is Yerra!
Has anyone mentioned the dangerous crush after the game on the road behind the Mackey Stand? Thousands of supporters going in both directions on a narrow, walled road and the Gardaí (who were there but were doing feck all to help) had let traffic down the road to make matters even worse. Some poor eejit had the bright idea to get a taxi from the ground amidst it all. He's probably still there waiting for the crowd to clear.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
And the propaganda continues. No yerra me b*llocks! The whole article is Yerra!
I'd suggest you are a bit paranoid..but I fail to see what exactly in that article could be construed as disingenuous?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
And the propaganda continues. No yerra me b*llocks! The whole article is Yerra!
I'd suggest you are a bit paranoid..but I fail to see what exactly in that article could be construed as disingenuous?
Ah he's only rising you, its all good craic.
Chill out, there was nothing out of the way in that article. You are just looking for things to get worked up about at this stage.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Kerry Propaganda machine has kicked in!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments)
The genius of Fitzmaurice ??
I don't think that putting Donaghy into full forward and lumping high balls on top of him is going to win the All Ireland against Donegal.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 05, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Kerry Propaganda machine has kicked in!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments)
The genius of Fitzmaurice ??
I don't think that putting Donaghy into full forward and lumping high balls on top of him is going to win the All Ireland against Donegal.
Lads there isn't much wrong with that article.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 05, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Kerry Propaganda machine has kicked in!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments)
The genius of Fitzmaurice ??
I don't think that putting Donaghy into full forward and lumping high balls on top of him is going to win the All Ireland against Donegal.
He's not a genius but he has done the simple things right and at the right time which is encouraging (e.g start Donaghy, substitute Enright). Obviously, Donegal have the edge here since McGuiness has already delivered and AI and he's a professional sports psychologist/trainer but you never know on the day.
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2014, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 05, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 05, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Kerry Propaganda machine has kicked in!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tomas-s-footballs-smartest-minds-now-go-into-battle-for-sam-30563679.html#comments)
The genius of Fitzmaurice ??
I don't think that putting Donaghy into full forward and lumping high balls on top of him is going to win the All Ireland against Donegal.
Lads there isn't much wrong with that article.
Agreed, Tomás pens a decent article (as does the brother Daragh for the IT), and wouldn't get too worked up about any perceived subtext.
I like Tomás. Like all the O Sés.
The winners write the history and the Limerick experience was a horrible one. It was a disastrous day for us and any attempt by neutrals or Kerries to present it as quaint/unique isn t something I can identify with.
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 11:20:08 PM
I like Tomás. Like all the O Sés.
The winners write the history and the Limerick experience was a horrible one. It was a disastrous day for us and any attempt by neutrals or Kerries to present it as quaint/unique isn t something I can identify with.
I agree and even a week later now im still hurting, i cant remember a game that had this type of feeling so long after.
Call me a whiner or whatever but i just feel as if we were shafted . Would Kerry of just got on with it if the game got penciled in for Salthill. Id like to read Tomas article if they experienced a defeat in Salthil with the ref giving us some dodgy decisions.
I won't be renewing my season ticket, fook the GAA.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
http://m2.facebook.com/186309284834560/photos/pb.186309284834560.-2207520000.1410031391./528700393928779/?type=1&source=42
Quote from: larryin89 on September 06, 2014, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 11:20:08 PM
I like Tomás. Like all the O Sés.
The winners write the history and the Limerick experience was a horrible one. It was a disastrous day for us and any attempt by neutrals or Kerries to present it as quaint/unique isn t something I can identify with.
I agree and even a week later now im still hurting, i cant remember a game that had this type of feeling so long after.
Call me a whiner or whatever but i just feel as if we were shafted . Would Kerry of just got on with it if the game got penciled in for Salthill. Id like to read Tomas article if they experienced a defeat in Salthil with the ref giving us some dodgy decisions.
I won't be renewing my season ticket, fook the GAA.
If anything, resentment within the county appears to be still festering.
Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 06, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
I think I remember John playing in a league match in either Ballina or Crossmolina? Early 80s? Not very tall but powerfully built? Fair hair? Looked like a good player alright but what a task to break into that team then for championship.
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 06, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
I think I remember John playing in a league match in either Ballina or Crossmolina? Early 80s? Not very tall but powerfully built? Fair hair? Looked like a good player alright but what a task to break into that team then for championship.
You are probably thinking of Davy, (father of BJK) or Mike Keane, brothers from Kerins O Rahillys, Tralee. John has dark hair.
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Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
I think I remember John playing in a league match in either Ballina or Crossmolina? Early 80s? Not very tall but powerfully built? Fair hair? Looked like a good player alright but what a task to break into that team then for championship.
You are probably thinking of Davy, (father of BJK) or Mike Keane, brothers from Kerins O Rahillys, Tralee. John has dark hair.
This was deffo one of JB Keane's lads. But it s over 30 yrs ago. I remember the Kerry squad at mass before the game. Deffo JB Keane's son. Might have got the hair colour wrong. I ll double check it with other lads that would have been there anon. Did a bit of a check there and spring in 82 in Cross. would be most likely when this Keane lad played. Who would have been most likely?
I coulda sworn this thread was up to 115 pages yesterday?? :o
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I coulda sworn this thread was up to 115 pages yesterday?? :o
Some fella probably had a hissy fit and deleted all of his posts on the thread.
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Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
I think I remember John playing in a league match in either Ballina or Crossmolina? Early 80s? Not very tall but powerfully built? Fair hair? Looked like a good player alright but what a task to break into that team then for championship.
You are probably thinking of Davy, (father of BJK) or Mike Keane, brothers from Kerins O Rahillys, Tralee. John has dark hair.
This was deffo one of JB Keane's lads. But it s over 30 yrs ago. I remember the Kerry squad at mass before the game. Deffo JB Keane's son. Might have got the hair colour wrong. I ll double check it with other lads that would have been there anon. Did a bit of a check there and spring in 82 in Cross. would be most likely when this Keane lad played. Who would have been most likely?
Mike Keane played two league matches for Kerry in 1982. He played corner back against Mayo in Crossmolina. Your description fitted him to a tee. http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/459/1982-Kerry-Vs-Mayo (http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/459/1982-Kerry-Vs-Mayo) John B's son never played Kerry senior.
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Quote from: Seamus on September 06, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 05, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
This thread needs locking at this stage.
Before that happens, yes Billy Keane is a spoofer. Never kicked a ball in his life I'd say and just living off his father's name. (John B) I've no idea what the independent publish that crap for. Then again, Martin Breheny is their main GAA guy so..
Tomás article was a good read IMO. No yerra about it at all, rarely is with him.
Billy was handy enough at football, played against him on a number of occasions. He usually played full forward. His brother John was much better though and was one of Listowel's best underage players in his day. It seems both packed it in at a young age. I wonder where John is now, really had talent?
John was meant to be a fantastic player. Captained Kerry minors. Moved to Kilkenny years back a man told me. Don't think he played much beyond mid 20s. Not sure why.
I think I remember John playing in a league match in either Ballina or Crossmolina? Early 80s? Not very tall but powerfully built? Fair hair? Looked like a good player alright but what a task to break into that team then for championship.
You are probably thinking of Davy, (father of BJK) or Mike Keane, brothers from Kerins O Rahillys, Tralee. John has dark hair.
This was deffo one of JB Keane's lads. But it s over 30 yrs ago. I remember the Kerry squad at mass before the game. Deffo JB Keane's son. Might have got the hair colour wrong. I ll double check it with other lads that would have been there anon. Did a bit of a check there and spring in 82 in Cross. would be most likely when this Keane lad played. Who would have been most likely?
Mike Keane played two league matches for Kerry in 1982. He played corner back against Mayo in Crossmolina. Your description fitted him to a tee. http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/459/1982-Kerry-Vs-Mayo (http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/459/1982-Kerry-Vs-Mayo) John B's son never played Kerry senior.
Ok. Ah well, it was a long time ago. Always thought it was the great man's son.
Cuir an snáth seo faoi ghlas le d'thoil. Níl ach droch smaointe agam faoi na cluichí. :'(