Just thought I'd start the ball rolling here lads. Tyrone's strong performance today and Kerry's five point v Cork should be enough to set up an interesting All Ireland final. Obviously Kerry chasing revenge and a three in a row; their first since the eighties and Tyrone seeking three All Ireland titles in this decade. Promises to be a great build-up. Any tickets?
QuotePromises to be a great build-up. Any tickets?
No. But I have a couple for the Wexford V Cork game that is on the same day!!
Just read your previous posts t.here Seany and yeah my 1st reaction to this thread was right.
w**ker!
Why is an Armagh man starting this thread?
Thanks for that Fuzzman. Where is the rule that says someone form the competing counties has to set up the thread for that match?
Lighten up.
arsehole
There's some nervous tyronies around.
Can some one with a bit of manners please get rid of this Thread untill this afternoons result.
should be some game!
Let hostilities commence I guess. Hopefully Sam will go north again. And maybe a double too.
I think Tyrone will shade it, but only just.
There is no doubt that of the teams Kerry have played recently Tyrone pose the biggest threat to their full back line, the pace will be very hard to stop. Tyrone scored a lot of points from play and Kerry's defense will have to be very tight for the full 70
Kerry are good and may shade midfield, but I think McMahon and Gormley will have enough to slow up Walsh more than Cork did.
i think you're wrong because 95% of games are won at midfield, if tyrone don't get 50/50 at midfield they will lose in my view because kerry ahve more firepower.
Usually I'd agree, but Tyrone are one team that can manage not to win midfield hands down and play down the wings remarkably well to great effect.
In fact dispite what Brolly was slabbering about - if you watch the Tyrone build up - most of it comes from the wings and the half backs.
We know they'll smother midfield too so even if Kerry 'win' Midflield they won't win it by much.... it's going to be close.
I think this could be a great game but the only requirement is a ref who can actually ref the game properly and apply the rules...
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2008, 05:57:34 PM
i think you're wrong because 95% of games are won at midfield, if tyrone don't get 50/50 at midfield they will lose in my view because kerry ahve more firepower.
Mickey Harte has his take on the matter
"Whenever we get a method in there which plays to our strengths, take advantage of what our midfielders have to offer, then we'll be able to hold our own with most teams.
You won't always win all your midfield battles but what is midfield.
Midfield to me is the middle third of the field.
It's not about two people - number eight and nine. It's an entire group of players, in the front with the half-forward line, the half-backs and the midfielders."
it is and kerry are good are at the breaks as well, kerry don't need the same amount of possession as other teams. tyrone have very good forwards but kerry's are better individually and tyrone need to ensure it doesn't become a shootout because they will lose if it does. should be a fascinating game.
Will Galvin play?
Here's my neck on the line.
Kerry have not faced the kind of intensity this Tyrone team exerts and will become frustrated when they are denied the freedom needed to play their lovely football. Tyrone will feed on this frustration. They are a skillful, crafty but more importantly a very hard working and fit team that will exploit the obvious weakness that Cork exposed today but were unable to take advantage of.
Tyrone by 4+.
KerryMike. If I am wrong I will drive to the Kingdom to buy you a pint, will you offer to reciprocate?
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
KerryMike. If I am wrong I will drive to the Kingdom to buy you a pint, will you offer to reciprocate?
If you ever buy anyone a pint I'll run naked around Belfast City Hall.
Paddypower has Tyrone at 15-8. That's is nice odds, I took him in 2005 and I will have another go at that price.
I'd say it's more to do with the amount of money on Kerry from the start of the year, so it's definitely a good bet at those odds.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
KerryMike. If I am wrong I will drive to the Kingdom to buy you a pint, will you offer to reciprocate?
If you ever buy anyone a pint I'll run naked around Belfast City Hall.
Running naked round City Hall? That's nothing new for you Lecale, but please keep the belly tucked in to avoid upsetting the tourists.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
Here's my neck on the line.
Kerry have not faced the kind of intensity this Tyrone team exerts and will become frustrated when they are denied the freedom needed to play their lovely football. Tyrone will feed on this frustration. They are a skillful, crafty but more importantly a very hard working and fit team that will exploit the obvious weakness that Cork exposed today but were unable to take advantage of.
Tyrone by 4+.
KerryMike. If I am wrong I will drive to the Kingdom to buy you a pint, will you offer to reciprocate?
Don't know about that, you could say that Tyrone haven't faced anything like Kerry's intensity either. Also Kerry came through a game against Monaghan quite well and that is a side who would let no-one play 'lovely football'. Kerry can play it anyway now, Tyrone will have to put out a display as good as the Dublin one or better, today's display would not have cut it.
people underestimate how much kerry want to beat tyrone. This is the game kerry have wanted.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2008, 08:38:14 PM
people underestimate how much kerry want to beat tyrone. This is the game kerry have wanted.
I think thats true. This final is a real winner takes all (cliche I know), Tyrone can get their third AI, Kerry their third in a row. Its been said by many that Kerry couldn't handle Tyrone or Armagh and until they did a question mark would remain over them. I was in the Hogan stand two years ago when Kerry bested Armagh and the roar from the (small) Kerry crowd that day was unreal - one dragon had been slain. Beating Tyrone in a final would be the other.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2008, 08:38:14 PM
people underestimate how much kerry want to beat tyrone. This is the game kerry have wanted.
theres a great sense in kerry that they owe tyrone one. i just think mickey harte is too great a tactician to loose an all ireland final. tyrone should win, although a draw wouldnt be suprising
Time for Tyrone boys to go back to the pre QF game mentality.
We are hardly worthy to be there.
Matty Ford's injury scuttled Wexford.
Kerry 3 in a row is on the cards.
Runners up is remarkable for a Tyrone team which was written off ages ago.
Mickey Harte is no Moses.
The empty vessels were 1/2 right.
Quote from: Main Street on August 31, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Time for Tyrone boys to go back to the pre QF game mentality.
We are hardly worthy to be there.
Matty Ford's injury scuttled Wexford.
Kerry 3 in a row is on the cards.
Runners up is remarkable for a Tyrone team which was written off ages ago.
Mickey Harte is no Moses.
The empty vessels were 1/2 right.
Well I suppose that Kerry are the kings of choke, can't close out games, are afraid of northern teams, refs hate them, Gooch is shagged etc.
Having sat through both games today in the flesh, Kerry on full tilt looked that bit more compelling than Tyrone on full tilt but then each plays with a different style and the way a team gets to play is significantly influenced by the team they are facing... and one can say for certain that Kerry to date have faced nothing approaching the quality and capability of Tyrone and probabaly likewise in reverse - it promises to be tight.
Canavan, O'Neill and Mulligan scored 1-9 between them in the 2005 AIF. They're gone. Kerry now have Donaghy and Walsh to complement Cooper. We're fecked. St. Peter of Glencull Pray for us.
Truely Tyrones backs are against the wall like never before, you may have to go to higher powers than St Peter of Glencull .
'Those who trust in the Lord for help will find their strength renewed.
They will rise on the wings like eagles; they will run and not get weary; they will walk and not grow weak.'
Isaiah 40:31
Yea does anyone know where to get tickets for the final?? I live in County Down and am not a member of any club! My mum is from Ardboe and my sister and I would love to take her to the final! We are all loyal Tyrone supporters!! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!!
Quote from: ONeill on August 31, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Canavan, O'Neill and Mulligan scored 1-9 between them in the 2005 AIF. They're gone. Kerry now have Donaghy and Walsh to complement Cooper. We're fecked. St. Peter of Glencull Pray for us.
Quote from: Main Street on August 31, 2008, 09:36:57 PM
Truely Tyrones backs are against the wall like never before, you may have to go to higher powers than St Peter of Glencull .
'Those who trust in the Lord for help will find their strength renewed.
They will rise on the wings like eagles; they will run and not get weary; they will walk and not grow weak.'
Isaiah 40:31
yeah right! pray for the coming of the kingdom
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 31, 2008, 07:42:07 PM
Paddypower has Tyrone at 15-8. That's is nice odds, I took him in 2005 and I will have another go at that price.
I'd say it's more to do with the amount of money on Kerry from the start of the year, so it's definitely a good bet at those odds.
those odds wont last, great value there
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2008, 06:50:33 PM
it is and kerry are good are at the breaks as well, kerry don't need the same amount of possession as other teams. tyrone have very good forwards but kerry's are better individually and tyrone need to ensure it doesn't become a shootout because they will lose if it does. should be a fascinating game.
Just a little reminder that Tyrone scored 3.13 against dubs and 18-19 points today from play - I don't think Tyrone have anything to fear from a shoot-out with Kerry. Agree with your last sentence though.
Here are some stats for those pundits who are prepared to talk up their own team and talk down the opposition.
Kerry: Scored per game 18.83 - Conceded 15.17
Tyrone: Scored per game 18.86 - Conceded 14.00
There is hardly a kick of the ball between these two teams.
St Peter Of Glencull- very good.............. :D :D
im looking 4 tickets tommorow
this match is not to be missed.
Its very hard to call and mistakes/goals will win the game.
I've heard that the tyrone fans are going to pay tribute to their players by sporting fake beards at the final which is rather convenient as most of their womenfolk already have a real one.
Doire Abu ;)
People are getting carried away here. Tyrone were credibly challenged for one half only of their combined quarter and semi finals, and looked non too comfortable yesterday when Wexford, minus their talisman, suddenly realised, at about 4.50pm, that they were in an All Ireland semi final yesterday.
Kerry are by far the superior footballing side, but I agree the match is too hard to call, as Tyrone will employ every trick in the book (and a few yet to make the book) to negate Kerry's superiority (Gooch had better watch his eyes again) and puke football will be very much in evidence, I fear.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
People are getting carried away here. Tyrone were credibly challenged for one half only of their combined quarter and semi finals, and looked non too comfortable yesterday when Wexford, minus their talisman, suddenly realised, at about 4.50pm, that they were in an All Ireland semi final yesterday.
Kerry are by far the superior footballing side, but I agree the match is too hard to call, as Tyrone will employ every trick in the book (and a few yet to make the book) to negate Kerry's superiority (Gooch had better watch his eyes again) and puke football will be very much in evidence, I fear.
Good man yerself.
Kerry when you run at them as Cork did in the second half are very suspect at the back and have been all year - let's face it, if Cork had a couple of decent forwards of note, Cork would have beaten Kerry - Kerry are great going forward - defensively they have MAJOR problems.
Cork scored 2-12 yesterday - If Tyrone score 2-12 in the final, they'll win it !
Mickey Harte said he never doubted his Tyrone players were good enough to reach the All-Ireland football final.
The Red Hands beat Wexford 0-23 to 1-14 in the semi-final at Croke Park to go through to face holders Kerry.
"Even when we were beaten by Down, I believed we had good enough players to have a fighting chance of getting to the final," said Harte.
"It is great to be there. It has been a struggle since 2005 but was have clawed our way back."
Harte disagreed with suggestions Tyrone had been slack in letting Wexford back into the semi-final after building up a commanding lead.
"I do not think it was a matter of us taking our foot off the pedal," he argued.
"I think we have to give a lot of credit to Wexford because they did not lie down.
"They are maybe a better footballing side than they have been credit for.
"Everybody expected from day one that Kerry would be in the final. Nobody knew who would be there to meet them.
"This is as tough as it gets, playing the best team in the country over the last decade. That will be a different challenge."
Good man Alex, Mckey. ;) :D
QuotePeople are getting carried away here. Tyrone were credibly challenged for one half only of their combined quarter and semi finals, and looked non too comfortable yesterday when Wexford, minus their talisman, suddenly realised, at about 4.50pm, that they were in an All Ireland semi final yesterday.
Kerry are by far the superior footballing side, but I agree the match is too hard to call, as Tyrone will employ every trick in the book (and a few yet to make the book) to negate Kerry's superiority (Gooch had better watch his eyes again) and puke football will be very much in evidence, I fear.
Ha ha. It took Wexford 63 minutes to realise they were in a quearter final against Armagh yet those 7 minutes was more than enough for them to coast by Armagh!
Mickey Harte & Tony Fearon both spouting sh1te :D
Cracking game in prospect. Two teams who are excellent going forward, Kerry slightly better than Tyrone, but Kerry are more suspect at the back. Interesting to see how Tyrone cope with Walsh & Donaghy.
If Galvin makes an appearance he will get wound up like fcuk as will Dara.
Gooch would be as well wearing them goggles that Edgar Davids uses ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
People are getting carried away here. Tyrone were credibly challenged for one half only of their combined quarter and semi finals, and looked non too comfortable yesterday when Wexford, minus their talisman, suddenly realised, at about 4.50pm, that they were in an All Ireland semi final yesterday.
Kerry are by far the superior footballing side, but I agree the match is too hard to call, as Tyrone will employ every trick in the book (and a few yet to make the book) to negate Kerry's superiority (Gooch had better watch his eyes again) and puke football will be very much in evidence, I fear.
not that you're bitter !
Orangeman, the Tyrone defence are hardly awe inspiring when run at either (look at the goal yesterday, and remember their left back is called Ciaran Gourley, who has been taken to their cleaners by just about every corner forward in Ulster),as Down have also proved twice this summer. In my opinion as footballers only Cavanagh and Gormley would get their place on the Kerry side, and Dooher in his prime.
Tyrone are in an All Ireland final untested for 70 minutes, and thats something you can't say about Kerry.
As I say, do not get carried away
I'm not bitter by the way. Yesterday, both Kerry and Tyrone showed what Armagh didn't against Wexford...an ability to react positively to the concession of a goal at a crucial stage of the game, and thats why they are both in the All Ireland Final and Armagh aren't
If Armagh had beaten Wexford I feel Tyrone would have gave us a serious beating
BTW, I dont think Pat suited Tyrone's style of play yesterday. Tyrone werent able to employ their usual swarm tactics in the middle yesterday, especially when Wexford won clean catches.
He was giving free kicks as soon as someone won ball in the middle.
Done know who the referee is for the final but I feel he will have a major bearing
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 11:15:21 AM
I'm not bitter by the way. Yesterday, both Kerry and Tyrone showed what Armagh didn't against Wexford...an ability to react positively to the concession of a goal at a crucial stage of the game, and thats why they are both in the All Ireland Final and Armagh aren't
I understand ! ;)
Thought both Ulster referees did well yesterday, and would think either would do a great job in the final.
I was sitting with the Tyrone referees yesterday so heard what they had to say. The first ref (White) chickened out of a decision or two, think they agreed he made some wrong calls but he gave the right decision with the red. Kerry should have had a penalty in the first half apparently.
They didn't say much about McEnaney which has to be positive from a group of refs and assessors. Can't criticise for him giving the frees after a clean catch in the middle - proper order in my opinion (even though it was rarely Tyrone who won the free!).
I'm a Down man and I was delighted to see Tyrone winning yesterday. I definitely think they will win this one and I don't believe that kerry really really wanted this tie, they would have much preferred the dubs to come through that side of the draw. Tyrone's workrate and their ability to close men down the second they get on the ball will be too much for Kerry, and I expect Tyrone to win by at least 3points.
I have to say im really looking forward to what should be a cracking game.....Heres my take on it.......
Looking at Tyrone, i think its fair to say theyve played two bad teams in recent weeks, all this talk of dublin not showing up and stuff like that.....thats buls*it...Dublin are a mediocre team.....When faced with preassure they crack....As for wexford, they did well but didnt have the legs or experience to compete with tyrone....
Kerrys last few games has been much tougher, yesterdays game against cork will have brought them on leaps and bounds....they look like a team on a mission....But they wont have faced anything like the intensity fo this tyrone team....People talk about tyrones style of play, and the secrets of it....There arent any secrets to it....Hard work has brought the team where they are...
To the final itself, i have a few worries about the tyrone team......Gourley at 2, holmes at 8 and mc cullagh at 15.....Yesterday mc cullough was fantastic, Its a tough call but is ther a place for the mecurial brian mc guigan?? I have my doubts...When you see mc culloughs array of passing, hez a class act....As for gourley, he has to go...Mossy quinn gave him the runaround and he was caught yesterday for lyngs goal...
Talk of midfield possession is irrellavant...do kerry think john devine will kick the ball down the throats of Darragh os Se..No...short kickouts will be the order fo the day....Build from the back as tryone like to do....A tatic brought in by Paddy Tally.....
Defensively id put Gormley on Young Walsh, Mc Mahon on Donaghy & Ricey On the Gooch, Jordan will pick up O sullivan, Harte will play on Sheehan and that leaves AN Other to pick up Galvin ...Personally id play D Mc Caul or PJ Quinn....
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 11:43:35 AM
Thought both Ulster referees did well yesterday, and would think either would do a great job in the final.
Both were excellent especially Mc Enaney !
Lads, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not start whining about ticket allocations. Both KY andTE will get more than enough tickets on the basis of their support to date.
Don't really like either team's style of football, a stifling style of counter attacking football with a large amount of diving and cynicism thrown in to boot.Thankfully, I will be away for the Final.
For the first time ever I don't have a preference for any team. However I would like to see Colin McCullough do well given the vitriol given to him in the past by some Tyrone "supporters".
I only hope that Tyrone will adopt above board tactics. It would be better for them to lose gallantly rather than reverting to puke football and winning Sam, for which they will get no credit and will tarnish the proud name of Ulster.
Also the Jeckyll and Hyde nature of Tyrone needs to be factored in. In the last 12 months they' ve lost Championship games against mediocrities like Meath and Down, struggled profusely against Mayo (who put up a much more credible challenge than either Dublin or Wexford). Kerry would not have lost to either Meath or Down and would have brushed aside the challenge of Mayo.
:D
Tfearon and orangeman, McEnaney was grand but I thought the other lad was shocking, gave very soft frees to both sides. The Kerry lads almost tore off his limbs at one point, it was not hard to see why they were fuming but they'd benefited from some very spongy frees themselves in the first half. Sadly, 80% of contacts in football now results in a free from over zealous referees who equate a brand of puritanism on the whistle with stritcness and discipline.
As for the final, I think Tyrone's running game from deep will cause Kerry alot of problems. When Cork went at them direct yesterday, Kerry were noticeably rocking and Tyrone have game breakers in the half back line in this regard.
I'd wonder how Tyrone will fare at the back under an aerial bombardment though, it's only last year that Monaghan gave them serious trouble in this regard, if they're not prepared for it, Donaghy could make hay. Tyrone not prepared when MH is in charge is an unlikely prospect though.
Overall, I think Tyrone have been a steadily improving side all year whereas Kerry have been impressive but yet, still somehow vulnerable. Throwing away big leads hints at something uneasy in the Kingdom mix; by whatever means necessary, I can't see Tyrone ever doing likewise. It's more gut than analysis that makes me say Tyrone, but Tyrone it is for me by about two or three because I really think they'll exploit Kerry's nervousness in the full back line.
Er, did not Tyrone throw away big leads on a few occasions against Down?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 12:45:55 PM
I only hope that Tyrone will adopt above board tactics. It would be better for them to lose gallantly rather than reverting to puke football and winning Sam, for which they will get no credit and will tarnish the proud name of Ulster.
Also the Jeckyll and Hyde nature of Tyrone needs to be factored in. In the last 12 months they' ve lost Championship games against mediocrities like Meath and Down, struggled profusely against Mayo (who put up a much more credible challenge than either Dublin or Wexford). Kerry would not have lost to either Meath or Down and would have brushed aside the challenge of Mayo.
:D :D :D :D It must be killing you tony. The loathing you have for Tyrone isnt healthy. A man your age and physical condition should relax and take things easy.
Quote from: AFS link=topic=9198.msg367085#msg367085 date=122026659
Kerry undoubtedly have the better players
Do they really?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 12:45:55 PM
I only hope that Tyrone will adopt above board tactics. It would be better for them to lose gallantly rather than reverting to puke football and winning Sam, for which they will get no credit and will tarnish the proud name of Ulster.
Also the Jeckyll and Hyde nature of Tyrone needs to be factored in. In the last 12 months they' ve lost Championship games against mediocrities like Meath and Down, struggled profusely against Mayo (who put up a much more credible challenge than either Dublin or Wexford). Kerry would not have lost to either Meath or Down and would have brushed aside the challenge of Mayo.
We feel your pain. This is great he is losing the will to live. ;D ;D ;D
My head doesnt know but my gut feeling is Kerry
LOL. Search back for Fearon's post in July, stating that Armagh were going to set the record straight and claim their 2nd All-Ireland this year!
If Tyrone beat Kerry on 21st September, expect to find him swinging from a rope along with a few other bitter apples in the home of anti-football!
I love this talk of Kerry having the better players too - good craic!
QuoteI love this talk of Kerry having the better players too - good craic!
No they do. We don't stand a chance. Kerry will do 3 in a row without getting out of 2nd gear. They will show the same unnerving accuracy in front of the posts as in the 2 Cork games. We might as well not bother turning up. And their defense is unbeatable....
A very interesting one, a month ago I wouldnt have given Tyrone a chance, now I'd be about 51/49 for them winning. Re "better players" I definately think Kerry have more talented players, but the fitness levels of Tyrone in the past 2 games has been awesome. Higher fitness levels quite often more than make up for being a little less skillful.
Now before you Tyronies jump on me, there are some fantastically skilled players in your side, my comments are purely in comparison to the Kerry players.
Its going to be one hell of a battle out there, thats for sure and may the best team win.
Hopefully we will see a final contested in good spirit too.
theres been a lot of negative stuff from these two sides this year, I hope not to see any of it in the final. If all the nonsense is put aside, this should be a cracker.
If I was a Kerry man I'd be a little worried that they're fitness doesn't seem fully up to the mark for 70 minutes of hard football, they seem to tire a little in the last 15.
AFS - just a few points
Murphys crown has slipped a little this year - I'm not as confident in him as before.
O'Sullivan's confidence is shook this year and while he's a good defender I think he's had a bad year all round.
While I agree in general, with the game Tyrone play I can see Harte and Ricey having good games as after 10 minutes positions mean nothing.
McMahon will have a far bigger impact on the game than Sheehan IMO.
That apart it's pretty fair ... though we all know that it'll pan out very different in the team game
Quote from: AFS on September 01, 2008, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 01, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
I love this talk of Kerry having the better players too - good craic!
They do, only the most short sighted of Tyrone men can't see this:
Devine - Murphy - I've gone for the one that doesn't allow points bounce over his bar.
Gourley - O'Sullivan - O'Sullivan isn't great at FB but he's a good CB, and Gourley is a weak link back there for Tyrone IMO.
McMahon - Griffin - Tie.
Ricey - O'Se - Ricey's point scoring exploits disguise the fact that he's a dodgy man marker. O'Se is the best in the business.
Harte - O'Se - See above word for word with Harte instead of Ricey.
Gormely - - O'Mahony - Tie.
Jordan - Young - Jordan's recent form sneaks it.
McGinley - O'Se - McGinley has been good recently no doubt, but O'Se has been immense for years.
Holmes - Scanlon - Scanlon is a hugely underrated player who'd be the top man in the middle in nearly any other county but Kerry.
McMahon - Sheehan - Tie, both good at what they do.
McCullagh - O'Sullivan - O'Sullivan is the best CHF in the country by some distance.
Dooher - Galvin - Tie, top two in the country in their position
McGuigan - Walsh - Walsh has scored more and contributed more in the last couple of games for Kerry than McGuigan has for Tyrone.
Cavanagh - Donaghy - Tie, both outstanding players.
Penrose - Cooper - No doubt here.
I'd have Kerry ahead in 8 or 9 with Tyrone only on top in a couple of positions at best. Though the way Tyrone have managed to play as a unit largely renders individual talents irrelevant so it still wouldn't surprise me if they managed to win. Tyrone also have the best manager in the country which helps too.
That's conclusive so. I see point scoring from half backs and defending by forwards are not considered pluses.
Quote from: Quarterback on September 01, 2008, 12:12:43 PM
I have to say im really looking forward to what should be a cracking game.....Heres my take on it.......
Looking at Tyrone, i think its fair to say theyve played two bad teams in recent weeks, all this talk of dublin not showing up and stuff like that.....thats buls*it...Dublin are a mediocre team.....When faced with preassure they crack....As for wexford, they did well but didnt have the legs or experience to compete with tyrone....
Kerrys last few games has been much tougher, yesterdays game against cork will have brought them on leaps and bounds....they look like a team on a mission....But they wont have faced anything like the intensity fo this tyrone team....People talk about tyrones style of play, and the secrets of it....There arent any secrets to it....Hard work has brought the team where they are...
To the final itself, i have a few worries about the tyrone team......Gourley at 2, holmes at 8 and mc cullagh at 15.....Yesterday mc cullough was fantastic, Its a tough call but is ther a place for the mecurial brian mc guigan?? I have my doubts...When you see mc culloughs array of passing, hez a class act....As for gourley, he has to go...Mossy quinn gave him the runaround and he was caught yesterday for lyngs goal...
Talk of midfield possession is irrellavant...do kerry think john devine will kick the ball down the throats of Darragh os Se..No...short kickouts will be the order fo the day....Build from the back as tryone like to do....A tatic brought in by Paddy Tally.....
Defensively id put Gormley on Young Walsh, Mc Mahon on Donaghy & Ricey On the Gooch, Jordan will pick up O sullivan, Harte will play on Sheehan and that leaves AN Other to pick up Galvin ...Personally id play D Mc Caul or PJ Quinn....
That same Dublin team ran Kerry very close in last years semi. Would rate them at least as good as Cork who crumble under pressure every bit as much as Dublin.
On a seperate point about Kerry having the better players. There was a lot of talk about this in 2005 as well when Tyrone outplayed them for much of the 70 minutes and won the game.
I too hope for a great final. My gripe is with the fickle fairweather Tyrone "fans" (they came out of the woodwork yesterday) who would have had Harte hung after the Down game, yet after two wins against mediocre opposition, when they were tested for about 20 minutes, they have the best manager and best team of all time.
If they beat Kerry fair and square, without resorting to underhand tactics I will acknowledge Tyrone as a great team and Harte as a great manager
Tony, if tyrone beat kerry it will not be down to underhand tactics
QuoteIf they beat Kerry fair and square, without resorting to underhand tactics I will acknowledge Tyrone as a great team and Harte as a great manager
I'm sure the opinion of a serial competition entrant will mean a lot to them. ;D :D
Looking forward to this should be a great game, I think Tyrone have a great chance as they have improved immensely since their poor display against Mayo. Kerry are a great team, if they beat Tyrone in the final it will validate them as one of the great Kerry teams. It will be a cracker, the display of the full back lines on either team will be the key to which team wins.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 01:59:58 PM
I too hope for a great final. My gripe is with the fickle fairweather Tyrone "fans" (they came out of the woodwork yesterday) who would have had Harte hung after the Down game, yet after two wins against mediocre opposition, when they were tested for about 20 minutes, they have the best manager and best team of all time.
If they beat Kerry fair and square, without resorting to underhand tactics I will acknowledge Tyrone as a great team and Harte as a great manager
Having read some of what you have posted about Tyrone I've no doubt that farweather supporters is not your only gripe about Tyrone.
A few dubious ties there. Cavanagh is better than Donaghy. Bold statement, but true.
You have made alot of comparisons between Tyrones starting team from Sunday with a Kerry team which includes a few players who weren't part of the team on Sunday (Galvin & O'Se). I would doubt that Holmes and Penrose will start the final. I would have McMenamin ahead of Marc O'Se given both players current form, and Dooher anyday ahead of Galvin. As for Darragh O'Se, we are going on this years form not 2000 or any other year. How he played then doesn't matter now.
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 02:53:59 PM
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
All Tyrone fans can say you did that.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 02:53:59 PM
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
Would somebody ring the Tyrone County board and get this man a medal.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 01, 2008, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 02:53:59 PM
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
Would somebody ring the Tyrone County board and get this man a medal.
He loves us really and i think deep down he wants to be one of us.
QuoteI have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that?
Having watched the negative dredge that is Armagh's style of play, maybe you wanted to watch entertaining football for a change?
Lads, the anology here with 1986 doesn't bode well for the County where my granny was born.
Kerry going for three in a row, Tyrone unable to stop them
Tyrone men with facial hair, taking wrong options from dead ball situations.
Kerry team having three brothers.
I tell you, it is not looking good. ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 02:53:59 PM
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
How'd you enjoy paying for something for once? Was it as painful as watching Tyrone win?
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2008, 03:16:29 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 02:53:59 PM
I have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that? ;D
How'd you enjoy paying for something for once? Was it as painful as watching Tyrone win?
i thought he was joking
Maybe I have missed this - any word on Cavanagh's injury?
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte is confident that Sean Cavanagh will be fit to play in the All-Ireland SFC Final against Kerry on 21 September.
Cavanagh was forced off in the second half of Sunday's semi-final win over Wexford because of a back injury and he also dislocated a finger in the game.
However, Harte told BBC Sport on Monday morning that the pain in Cavanagh's back had "eased considerably".
"He has three weeks before the final so he should be grand," said Harte.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 01, 2008, 03:05:22 PM
QuoteI have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that?
Having watched the negative dredge that is Armagh's style of play, maybe you wanted to watch entertaining football for a change?
I hate to say it but this is true, Armagh are very hard to watch. Tyrone play entertaining football, all we do is turn two half forwards into half backs and our games are brutal to watch.
This should be a great game of football. I hope that our Ulster neighbours get it done, i fully expect them to. I am heading to Chicago to watch the game on a big screen at Gaelic park.
Prediction. Tyrone 2-15 kerry 1-14.
Tony may talk about the parallels with '86, meeting Down, Dublin and Kerry along the way was a good omen in '05! Houl on. Met Down and Kerry in '03 as well. And in '86. What do you call the blade who used to predict the lottery winners? Wonder what she'd say.
Must say Walsh looked frighteningly impressive for his goal yesterday. Hands like shovels.
Quote from: CoDeo2 on September 01, 2008, 06:12:50 PM
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte is confident that Sean Cavanagh will be fit to play in the All-Ireland SFC Final against Kerry on 21 September.
Cavanagh was forced off in the second half of Sunday's semi-final win over Wexford because of a back injury and he also dislocated a finger in the game.
However, Harte told BBC Sport on Monday morning that the pain in Cavanagh's back had "eased considerably".
"He has three weeks before the final so he should be grand," said Harte.
Did Mickey Harte kiss Sean Cavanagh's finger better to make him stop crying?
Given that DJ Kane had his suspension extended for being in the dressing room at the Down v Tyrone game what is the official take on Dara O'Sé being in the subs area yesterday. Don't know the answer myself but do not see the difference between this and Kane. Can any one shed light on it? Though would hate to see him miss out on final on a technical issue like this
We are there - 2 all Ireland finals in 1 day. If Kerry win they will prove once and for all that they were the team of the decade, If Tyrone win it will prove that they are better than the team of the decade and but for tragedy injury and retirement tyrone could be completing 6 in a row. All that will go out the window if that inform Kerry side thump Tyrone off the field, was talking to a Kerry selector of old after the game on Sunday and he told me "what Kerry were going to do with that Tyrone team would be more fearful than the annhilation in 86" I always thought to myself ye know that we had an honourale defeat in 86, but fair play to the ruthless Kerry man, the thought we lay down and if you lie down, he wants to crush us and after watching the two semifinals whjo would bet against them beating us off the park. Tyrone are vast underdogs against this Kerry team , who can Mark Donaghy, Walsh, Gooch, O Sullivan, 4 of the best in Ireland. We can only turn up in hope, but we will turn up and give this great 3 in a row team a game.
Mc Mahon can mark Walsh - Gormely can take care of Donaghy - Mc Menamin can look after Gooch -
No problem.
Who can look after Mc Guigans, Cavanagh, Mc Cullagh, Dooher, Mc Mahon ??
I think we're in for a great game with not a lot to separate the sides at the end - Kerry are red hot favourites ?
Should Tyrone even bother turning up ? ;)
Orangeman. Would you really put Gormley on Donaghy? Too much of a hight difference I think. Gorley has to go, he is the weakest player on the Tyrone team and was at fault for the goal on Sunday,(also made a basic error in Dublin game that lead to their goal that Devine should of had) Team will def change.
Speaking of Sunday, I bumped into more people from the likes of Down and Fermanagh in the Premium section, than from Tyrone :o
Quote from: EC Unique on September 02, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
Orangeman. Would you really put Gormley on Donaghy? Too much of a hight difference I think. Gorley has to go, he is the weakest player on the Tyrone team and was at fault for the goal on Sunday,(also made a basic error in Dublin game that lead to their goal that Devine should of had) Team will def change.
Get the video of Ulster v Munster last November !
QuoteGet the video of Ulster v Munster last November !
Yep, had him in his back pocket.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2008, 01:10:22 PM
Speaking of Sunday, I bumped into more people from the likes of Down and Fermanagh in the Premium section, than from Tyrone :o
Last time I was in the premium section for a Tyrone match, I vowed I'd never be back in it to watch Tyrone again. Can imagine a lot of other people think the same. Atmosphere can't compare to sitting in the crowd.
QuoteOrangeman. Would you really put Gormley on Donaghy? Too much of a hight difference I think.
EC in the railway cup Donaghy was running riot, outfielding his marker on each occasion. Gormley went onto him and let him catch the ball clean every time. Once he landed Gormley hustled him till he lost the ball. He scored only 1 or 2 points after that. Donaghy will be having nightmares about that game.
Er, Rois, in the Premium Section you do actually sit amid the crowd. Good bit of banter on Sunday between a few Tyrone men and a Wexford man sitting in close proximity to me. Best laugh of all was when an elderly Cork man expressed the opinion that Tyrone played handball not football. It caused an apoplectic reaction from the Tyrone men :D
Just a little reminder for you Tony ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on August 18, 2008, 03:04:18 PM
If they win this year's All Ireland title I will acknowledge the achievement and accord full credit.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
People are getting carried away here. Tyrone were credibly challenged for one half only of their combined quarter and semi finals, and looked non too comfortable yesterday when Wexford, minus their talisman, suddenly realised, at about 4.50pm, that they were in an All Ireland semi final yesterday.
Kerry are by far the superior footballing side, but I agree the match is too hard to call, as Tyrone will employ every trick in the book (and a few yet to make the book) to negate Kerry's superiority (Gooch had better watch his eyes again) and puke football will be very much in evidence, I fear.
The First bit is a joke, as Kerry were only challenged for second Half of the game in the Munster final and lost a huge lead and the game, Were only challenged for about 10 mins in the drawn AISF and lost a huge lead and drew the game and were only challenged for half the game in the AISF replay and lost another huge lead and just about got over the line. If you are going to question Tyrone over this Question Kerry too.
The second bit makes me laugh and also makes me suspect that you may be an Armagh man with a chip on his shoulder. Both these teams can be cynical and aggressive but no more so than plenty of other counties and over the last number of years Armagh have been the most cynical until last couple of years where this title has now passed to Monaghan. I have no real problem with this as teams do what they need to get the win. (If Derry could learn a thing or 2 in that department It would help)
Also this craic about puke football is a bit rich coming from an Armagh man (I Suspect) as it was Armagh who began this trend of the negative defensive game not Tyrone. Tyrone may have perfected the defensive end of the game but unlike Armagh they added in an extra attacking dimension with all midfielders and defenders coming forward in waves creating a multitude of attacking options for the man on the ball.
T-Fearon you need to get over the defeats by Tyrone in AIF 2003 and the AISF 2005 as both times you were beaten by a better team and it is history.
You also need to spit out those sour grapes and go back to munching apples.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2008, 02:03:06 PM
Er, Rois, in the Premium Section you do actually sit amid the crowd.
Not the same, Tony, not the same, half the crowd is still inside at the bar when the game starts, and then interrupt you when they need to take their seats. More interested in drink and seeing who they can name drop when they come back to tell their tale on here.
I was in amongst the crowd Rois and I've plenty to name drop. ;)
McEnaney was sitting near me for the Kerry -v- Cork game. Paddy Crozier was knocking about too, plus Pillar was working in the next section.
However, unlike Tony, I won't name drop.....
By the way, looking back at how poor Armagh looked against Wexford and how easy it was for wexford to pull away when they started to play and then looking at how easily Tyrone brushed Wexford aside (and considering Tyrone were in second gear for the 3rd Quarter) Id say you Armagh folk should be happy yous didnt meet in Semi as it would have been a very lopsided game and yous would prob have been even more out played than in 2003 and 2005.
Maybe this is what annoys yous the most and would explain some of the drivel being posted on here.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 01, 2008, 11:15:21 AM
1 I'm not bitter by the way. Yesterday, both 2 Kerry and Tyrone showed what Armagh didn't against Wexford...an ability to react positively to the concession of a goal at a crucial stage of the game, and 3 thats why they are both in the All Ireland Final and Armagh aren't
1 Your posts show you are very bitter.
2 Your right Kerry and Tyrone both showed things Armagh havent, and a positive reaction to conceeding agoal is one of them. Theres also the ability to spread scores amongst all the forwards and even further out the field whereas Armagh rely on 2 men for about 90% of their scores (Derry also have this problem). Theres also the fact Kerry and Tyrone show a willingness to actually attack in numbers and the main thing they both showed on Sunday that Armagh Havent been able to show for a couple of years now is that they are top quality and genuine All Ireland contenders.
3 The reason they are both in an All ireland Final and Armagh (or any other team) arent is that they are clearly the 2 best teams .
Quote from: billy the kid on September 02, 2008, 02:20:09 PM
By the way, looking back at how poor Armagh looked against Wexford and how easy it was for wexford to pull away when they started to play and then looking at how easily Tyrone brushed Wexford aside (and considering Tyrone were in second gear for the 3rd Quarter) Id say you Armagh folk should be happy yous didnt meet in Semi as it would have been a very lopsided game and yous would prob have been even more out played than in 2003 and 2005.
Maybe this is what annoys yous the most and would explain some of the drivel being posted on here.
You'd be wrong there, it doesnt matter what year it is there is little between Armagh and Tyrone in any game, a few points either way usually settles it.
But then again, this season Armagh
Didn't fail to beat Down in the Championship and didn't need a second game either
Didn't have the luxury of facing Wexford in the second half without their marquee forward (would Wexford have scored the crucial goal if Forde hadn't been on the pitch, I don't think so?)
PS If Tyrone win the All Ireland final without gouging or having six men round every Kerry forward when he gets possession, I will happily acknowledge their greatness.
Also Kerry were tested fully by Galway and Cork, on three occasions, and both of these teams are better teams than Tyrone, again in my opinion
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2008, 02:38:25 PM
But then again, this season Armagh
Didn't fail to beat Down in the Championship and didn't need a second game either
Didn't have the luxury of facing Wexford in the second half without their marquee forward (would Wexford have scored the crucial goal if Forde hadn't been on the pitch, I don't think so?)
PS If Tyrone win the All Ireland final without gouging or having six men round every Kerry forward when he gets possession, I will happily acknowledge their greatness.
Also Kerry were tested fully by Galway and Cork, on three occasions, and both of these teams are better teams than Tyrone, again in my opinion
very rich coming from an armagh man
Let Tony grumble.
1. He supports Spurs
2. He supports Armagh
3. He doesn't seem to be aligned to any club
4. Celtic got beat by Rangers
5. Norn Iron are ranked higher than Ireland
The man has a lot on his plate at the moment.
The two best teams are in the final - its asimple as that.
BTW I here the St Johns Ambulance are taking extra measures by way of ersonel, equipment, blood plasma and ambulances for fear Aidan O'Mahony & Philip Jordan glance off each other at any stage of the game! Its also rumoured that they have checked up on Doohers blood group for fear a ball or glove might indent on his stomach!
you are right ziggy, i should be more sympathetic
I've also been informed I've left a few more points off my list.
6. Two wasted trips to Dublin to see Tyrone get beat. ( at his own expense for a change )
7. His more successful neighbours on the Brink of another All Ireland
8. Dodgy Hot Towel Shave that he won from a 'dodgy' magazine.
Anyone know of anymore?
He didnt enjoy his hot towel shave, although he may not have payed for it.
I'm worried there won't be enough bandwidth to list all Tony's worries :D
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 01, 2008, 03:05:22 PM
QuoteI have at least travelled down to Croker, at my own expense,n to watch Tyrone play both Dublin and Wexford. How many Tyrone "fans" can say that?
Having watched the negative dredge that is Armagh's style of play, maybe you wanted to watch entertaining football for a change? :D :D
Good point Armagh have always been a bad team to watch but with the retirement and slowing down of some of their better players they are nearly impossible to watch over the last couple of years and are now more negative than ever. Their style of play doesnt suit the players they have and ant team with McDonnel and Clarke and even Mallon in the forwards shouldnt be scared of attacking .
T-FEARON, your bitter and twisted rants against Tyrone expose your lack of knowledge and complete bias towards your own team. I am a Derry man and have no great love for Tyrone but I can acknowledge that they are a great team and will be remembered as one of the great Ulster teams if they beat Kerry and are def the Ulster team of the last 10 years no matter what happens on the 21st.
You remind me of why armagh fans are likened to Man Utd - you simply cannot acknowledge anyone else as being a good teamor a good player
You need to lose those sour grapes as they are making you a very bitter person and to be honest your views are hard to take serious because of this
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 02, 2008, 01:59:35 PM
QuoteOrangeman. Would you really put Gormley on Donaghy? Too much of a hight difference I think.
EC in the railway cup Donaghy was running riot, outfielding his marker on each occasion. Gormley went onto him and let him catch the ball clean every time. Once he landed Gormley hustled him till he lost the ball. He scored only 1 or 2 points after that. Donaghy will be having nightmares about that game.
Fair enough I was not aware of this as I have no interest in Railway cup football. I still would fear that Donaghy will be more focased than in a railwaycup game and will be too tall for Gormley but hopefully I am wrong :)
You're right Over the Ball. I'd forgotten that Gormley roasted Donaghy in the Railway Cup. Hopefully Gormley can find some of that again. :)
Anyone know what Hotel the Tyrone team are in? A work colleague was asking me there a moment ago. I'd imagine it's the CityWest, but does anyone know for sure?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 04:40:22 PM
Anyone know what Hotel the Tyrone team are in? A work colleague was asking me there a moment ago. I'd imagine it's the CityWest, but does anyone know for sure?
Carton House I'd say.
I don't think that the general public knowing where the team is staying on the Saturday night would be ideal preparation for an All-Ireland final so I'd hope anyone that knows can hold their tongue.
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 02, 2008, 04:56:30 PM
I don't think that the general public knowing where the team is staying on the Saturday night would be ideal preparation for an All-Ireland final so I'd hope anyone that knows can hold their tongue.
Don't think it matters at all - the team will be well protected.
Kerry were in Citywest last year, I'd imagine they'll try there again, unless Tony has all the rooms booked. I think they stayed in Jurys Custom House back in 2005, Tyrone must have gotten City West before them :D
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
KerryMike. If I am wrong I will drive to the Kingdom to buy you a pint, will you offer to reciprocate?
If you ever buy anyone a pint I'll run naked around Belfast City Hall.
Why do we have so many fecking posters with a desire to run naked. Why doesnt someone do something different like say - If Tyrone beat Kerry Ill catch a badger with my bare hands, or if Kerry beats tyrone ill run the gauntlet with hardstations ma.
If Kerry beat Tyrone, I'll appear on The Sunday Game and finish off the straw hat that Colm started in 2003 ;)
It seems a long time since the Louth game in July when we couldnt sell 1800 tickets. This has the potential to be a classic final and that is what the gaa needs after the last 2.
Will have to dig out the 2005 final soon. Memories were:
Full on the Saturday night in the Skylon
Getting 2 tickets at 12.30pm from a Dr Doolittle in a long coat on a road
Down lifting the minors
The Gooch masks
Gooch's first point that raised the hairs. Gulp.
Mellon's retort
Kerry's goal. Gulp.
Cooper's eye.
McGuigan's double shuffle point.
Dooher's point from 95m.
Jordan's punt, Mugsy's catch and God's grass-cutter.
3 up half time.
point-for point.
Mugsy's overhead fisted effort.
Tomas's goal. Gulp.
God's point from the corner.
O'Neill and Cavanagh's 1-2-1-2
Jordan's clincher
Cooper rugby tackled.
Fulfillment as opposed to the elation of 03.
Skylon dinner.
McEniff saying 'well done'.
Mugsy tipsy getting MOTM award.
The last time an All-Ireland Senior football final was played on the 21st September.........1986
what a great weekend that was in 2005:
stewartstown won junior 7's in dublin.
great night (brilliant atmosphere) in burlington on the saturday night.
tyrone beating kerry.
heading out to the city west and the banquet doors being opened to everyone.
monday night in mcaleers
Anyone got tickets? ;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 07:34:58 PM
The last time an All-Ireland Senior football final was played on the 21st September.........1986
Ah crap ONeill.... why?
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 07:34:58 PM
The last time an All-Ireland Senior football final was played on the 21st September.........1986
Four punts into the old Canal End that day, the come back of come backs, what a day.
Of course we haven't beaten Tyrone since so we're basically shagged.
Interesting to see a few posters eager for Gourley to be dropped. I think he'll line out myself and deservedly so. I can think of three bad errors. When Justy was exposed 2 against one early against Dublin, that came from the Rock man making a mess of a punch. The handling error which led to the Dubs goal and getting caught in possession for Lyng's goal. 2/3 maximums from the 3 errors, should've been 3. However, I think his overall play is good. His fitness is top notch and he came striding out of defense in the second half against Wexford on 4 or 5 occasions, distributing well. Defensively sound and with missing '05 through injury, he'll give us everything. Ricey's error at the marshes effectively cost Tyrone the game, yet that's made his season. It's inspired him. I think Gourley has a big part to play. My match ups would be McMahon on the star. Ricey on gooch and give tommy walsh the pleasure of block gormley's company.
Would agree with you there Mr. Nakata, I think you call it spot on. I feel, however, that Gourley is still getting back into his stride and up to speed, and I'd hope that the errors (which would appear to me to be as a result of losing his focus at critical times) would disappear for the final. He hardly stopped running on Sunday.
I think Justy will pick up Donaghy, Gormley will mark Walsh, Gourley will mark Cooper and Ricey will mark Declan O Sullivan at CHF ( although Gourley could end up CHB)
Cooper put in trojan work off the ball on Sunday - he seems to be ripening at the right time.
He's hardly likely to drop Devine at this stage but who would you trust more under the expected aerial bombardment - Devine or McConnell?
I think that Packie might have prevented both the Keaney goal and the Lyng goal (Devine stretched for the latter, but couldn't quite reach), but as you say, it would be a brave/reckless move at this stage not to start with Devine.
Quote from: hardstation on September 02, 2008, 10:38:25 PM
I thought he moved out of the way for Lyng's. Maybe he took a chance.
In fairness the way Lyng was bearing in on goal - youd have to imagine a left footed kicker going across you - the way in which devine moved. Id thought about it too, as he only reached for the ball at the last second, maybe he had made his mind up and as you say - taken a chance.
EDIT - Hardstation how you didnt notice that spelling mistake as horrendous as it was, is beyond me for a man with your eagle eye.
Wouldn't agree re Lyng goal - he offered no menace to Lyng who didn't have to work to pick a spot.
Has to be Mc Connell for the final. Didnt he do a number on Gooch in 05
The Gooch wouldn't exactly be thrilled with Packie all right, and he does like beating Kerry ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 05:46:28 PM
Kerry were in Citywest last year, I'd imagine they'll try there again, unless Tony has all the rooms booked. I think they stayed in Jurys Custom House back in 2005, Tyrone must have gotten City West before them :D
Kerry spent a few nights in the Dunboyne Castle in 05 I think.
Tyrone are deffo having their banquet in the CityWest.
Hows the beards!
Well an incredible achievement against many odds for Mickey and the Tyrone panel. After the semi I thought there must be some magic power in growing a beard so Id expect a few savages around the Burlington and a gadderin' on Sat 20th If I can stick it that long.
For those talking about changes at this stage lets not. The team that has took Tyrone to their 5th All Ireland final could yet prove to be the greatest team effort of them all. We all know the Mc Cauls, Carlins are snapping on their heels and the guys know that and have formed a magical combination and have played some of the greatest football that we have seen in Croke Park. Total Football, absolute blanket attack, see the great Dutch in the 70s, Gaelic Football as a game is becoming more complete and the systematic approach of Mickey Harte and the introduction of tactics and workrate were there was non appears to be coming full circle. Gourley, Harte and the guys will make mistakes but their chemistry must not be altered at this stage, they are all playing well. Who else for the burlington on Saturday 20th?
Great to see the minors a fantastic team with young Mc Kenna starting to develop into a superb prospect. If Coney was staying about he'd have a Tyrone senior jersey on him next year. Other potential seniors litter that team. lets hope they can deliver against a fine Mayo team.
The GAA have revealed that Maurice Deegan of Laois will referee this month's All-Ireland SFC final.
The Leinster official will take charge of the September 21 clash between Kerry and Tyrone as the Kingdom chase their third successive Sam Maguire crown against the last team to deny them in the final, back in 2005.
Earlier in the day, Clare's Rory Hickey will man the whistle for the minor final clash between Mayo and Tyrone.
It's started!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Mac....should be there now.
Brilliant Norf!!! Must take a trip down home to take a look. God bless Kieran Kennedy.
Oh, and what numbers are on the back of them? Do we have a number 10?
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2008, 11:39:10 AM
Brilliant Norf!!! Must take a trip down home to take a look. God bless Kieran Kennedy.
It all makes the build up Rois. The names on the big for those interested are;
McConnell
Dooher
Penrose
Harney
Connolly
You just answered my question!
Does the drummer one have the shorts on back to front?? That's good luck!
I passed them this morning. Unfortunatley it wasnt the best morning to get a good view of them.
Must only have been put up yesterday evening.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 03, 2008, 11:20:22 AM
It's started!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is the man to pick up Donaghy.
Very good LDA :D
I think they only went up yesterday. Good to see!
The GAA has revealed that Maurice Deegan will referee this year's All-Ireland Football Final between Kerry and Tyrone.
The Central Referees Appointment Control Committee announced on Wednesday morning that the match (Sunday, 21 September - throw in 3.30pm) will be refereed by the Laois native, who took charge of the match between Kerry and Monaghan earlier this year.
Kerry, the current champions, won that fixture 1-13 to 0-13.
Deegan also refereed the clash between Meath and Wexford in Leinster, which saw Meath overhauled after going 10 points up in the second half. He has not been in charge for a match involving Tyrone so far in this year's Championship.
The All-Ireland Minor Final between Mayo and Tyrone, which will take place on the same day, will be refereed by Rory Hickey of Clare.
Is this good news or bad news ?????????
Was Deegan the man wwho reffed Tyrone v Down in Healy? If so he was veery impressive that day.
He didn't according to the post before yours.
He has already refereed Kerry though, against Monaghan
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 03, 2008, 11:20:22 AM
It's started!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can't see these pictures in work.. Is it the tinnies?
If so I'll have to get a look at them this weekend when I am down home.
Aye, the tinnies have got all dressed up again.
Quote from: corn02 on September 03, 2008, 01:41:54 PM
Was Deegan the man wwho reffed Tyrone v Down in Healy? If so he was veery impressive that day.
That was Coldrick. I can't remember any game where he has reffed Tyrone off-hand.
Ah yes, the Meath man? He has always been very good.
Deegan is the man who shamefully waved a red card in the face of Francis Bellew in the summer of 2005 in the Donegal replay. Francis later received justice via an appeal >:(
You will deduce by that then that he will take no nonsense, so Tyrone defenders and goalkeeper had better keep their mits well away from the Gooch's eyes ;)
Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2008, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: CoDeo2 on September 01, 2008, 06:12:50 PM
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte is confident that Sean Cavanagh will be fit to play in the All-Ireland SFC Final against Kerry on 21 September.
Cavanagh was forced off in the second half of Sunday's semi-final win over Wexford because of a back injury and he also dislocated a finger in the game.
However, Harte told BBC Sport on Monday morning that the pain in Cavanagh's back had "eased considerably".
"He has three weeks before the final so he should be grand," said Harte.
Did Mickey Harte kiss Sean Cavanagh's finger better to make him stop crying?
No, hes gonna wait 3 weeks and kiss him on the lips, as he hands Sam to him
Quote from: ONeill on September 02, 2008, 07:34:58 PM
The last time an All-Ireland Senior football final was played on the 21st September.........1986
who won? ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2008, 01:45:46 PM
He didn't according to the post before yours.
He has already refereed Kerry though, against Monaghan
I thought he was good that day, seemed to be talking to the players and keeping a potentially volatile game in control. No desire to make himself the center of attention.
If Tyrone win, he'll be a great ref, if we're beat he'll be a bollox - isn't that the way it works ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 03, 2008, 05:08:44 PM
If Tyrone win, he'll be a great ref, if we're beat he'll be a bollox - isn't that the way it works ?
that's the way things go ;)
Many flags up around Ardboe?
Colm Coyle wouldn't be Mr Deegans biggest fan.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2008, 05:11:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 03, 2008, 05:08:44 PM
If Tyrone win, he'll be a great ref, if we're beat he'll be a bollox - isn't that the way it works ?
that's the way things go ;)
Many flags up around Ardboe?
Quite a few - the paint has been ordered and the bunting is about to go up ! There's a new Tyrone shop opened in Coalisland as well ! ;)
Excellent - I'm meeting the boss this afternoon to see if he'll be switching my holidays round so that I can come home
So this is is then. Kerry v Tyrone
Its been a strange year for us but its great to be back in Croke Park for All Ireland final day, our 7th this decade and our 5th in a row, some achievement in itself but such sentiments mean nothing. We have lost a League and Munster final already but there are serious medals to be won now and the focus has to be winning and not so much that its Tyrone we are playing, though the mind games are in full swing already.
Hard to get the mind around it at the moment after all the ups and downs during the month of August, Monaghan presented a stern match up but thankfully Donaghy's goal killed off their challenge but who knows what would have happened if Hanratty had goaled.
Galway in the rain had their chances too but thankfully a brave move by Pat O'Shea throwing in Daniel Bohane to quell the rampant Joe Bergin paid dividends. Who can forget Michael Meehans scoring prowess.
Then the rebels part 2 in a crazy game, we had the game in the bag but allowed them to score 2 late goals to give them a reprieve and then last Sunday we let them back into it again being 9 ahead but thankfully we closed out the gate and are through to the decider again.
Hopefully all the good and bad points from those game will be put to good use in the build up to the final. A final we have reached without our captain and also missing the team's spiritual leader for 1 full game and 2 half games againts the rebels.
Galvin owes his colleagues a world of gratitude to get him the opportunity of a possible final appearance, it did not look too likely with all the uproar after his moment of madness with Paddy Russell. But Galvin too needs to repay a big debt to the Kerry team. Will he play, probably but I dont think from the start. Can see him making a huge impression in the game.
Our problems are there for all to see, Diarmuid Murphy has had a few blunders this year but will hardly be changed at this stage of the year and his kickout though reasonably good still need to be varied, the full back line is a problem, full back in particular has been a big concern, while Marc O'Se has been off form compared to last year, thankfully Tom O'Sullivan seems to have found himself again, but Sean Cavanagh and co will give us lots of problems. Padraig Reidy form of his debut year last year has deserted him too so it may only leave the option of playing Tommy Griffing for the final at full back, In itself not a bad thing as Cavanagh will roam out the field at times, Which would leave Tom O'Sullivan detailed on possibly Tommy McGuigan with Marc O'Se following McCullagh.
Our half back line like Tyrone's has been out most consistant of the year, Tomas O'Se is playing the captain's role and seems to be peaking nicely, while leaving aside the dive against Cork, Aidan O'Mahony has had a great year too, was subdued in the replay last week and had a harsh free against him at a vital time in the second half, at least he did not rise to the baiting of the diving signals of a few of the langers. Killian Young too seems to have shaken off his injuries and has imposed himself in most games and will be hoping to add a senior medal to his U21 from earlier in the spring. The 3 of them pick themselves but all will have a busy day trying to curb the threat of Dooher, McMahon and possibly Penrose or Brian McGuigan.
Midfield is the key platform of the game and Seamus Scanlon has really stood up over the last few games to deliver, while Darragh was resting himself for the final it was left to Seamus and to a lesser extent Mike Quirke (another great move by Pat O'Shea) to keep the rebels at bay. Both will need to be on top of their games for the big joust in a few weeks. And though we are expected to win the aerial battles its what happens when they get back to earth that will matter most. Quick release of the ball is vital to get Cooper and Co working in time and space.
The half forward line again has not really clicked this year though Declan O'Sullivan is approaching his true potential as a leader of the team. Who flanks him on the wings will be the talking points in the Kerry team's make up, I think it will be Sheehan and Brosnan but both will have to contribute alot more than they did recently, Sheehan was held scoreless by Canty the last day but I'd expect him to start for his free taking alone, Brosnan if he starts will need to get stuck in but Donnach Walsh has taken the opportunities given him during Galvins extended holiday and may be in line for a final fling, and Mr Galvin himself will be bursting a gut when he gets back into full training with the panel next week to try and reclaim his starting spot. Darren O'Sullivan though probably deserving of a starting spot will be held back in reserve as will Sean O'Sullivan and even David Moran comes into the reckoning given his role in the Cork game, seems the few skelps Darragh and himself had in training had no long term harm.
Who ever wears the 10 and 12 jerseys for us will have to be well thought out as they will first of all have to try and impose their attacking style on the Tyrone trio but then will have alot of defending to do also when, Harte , Jordan and McMenimen and others counter attack as they do so well.
Our full forward line will also be unchanged, Cooper , Donaghy and Walsh form a formidable attacking prong, how Kerry get ball to them and hows its used and then how Tyrone defend it will be one of the core winning points of the game. Cooper has started to hit a good vein of form and Donaghy has really stood out as a leader both at full forward and in midfield when he has moved out there. Tommy Walsh has been a handfull for all who have marked him and hopefully his confidence will be buzzing for the final. All three will be given a bag of lice and a razor for the expected bearded full back line. Though Gormley minus the beard is sure to figure on either Donaghy or Walsh with McMenimen detailed to make a nuisance of himself on Cooper. I'd say poor Gooch will have a bad dose of beard rash after this game.
Lots of work to do for us in the next 3 weeks but its a good place to be with many unanswered questions but glory beckons and the fabled 3-in-a-row is within touching distance. Thats the prize but its up to us to go out and win it and the minds need to be right like last year, it wont be easy but am looking forward to a cracking game with probably the 2 best teams of this decade
Am away to put my thoughts together on Tyrone.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 09:27:45 PM
So this is is then. Kerry v Tyrone
Its been a strange year for us but its great to be back in Croke Park for All Ireland final day, our 7th this decade and our 5th in a row, some achievement in itself but such sentiments mean nothing. We have lost a League and Munster final already but there are serious medals to be won now and the focus has to be winning and not so much that its Tyrone we are playing, though the mind games are in full swing already.
Hard to get the mind around it at the moment after all the ups and downs during the month of August, Monaghan presented a stern match up but thankfully Donaghy's goal killed off their challenge but who knows what would have happened if Hanratty had goaled.
Galway in the rain had their chances too but thankfully a brave move by Pat O'Shea throwing in Daniel Bohane to quell the rampant Joe Bergin paid dividends. Who can forget Michael Meehans scoring prowess.
Then the rebels part 2 in a crazy game, we had the game in the bag but allowed them to score 2 late goals to give them a reprieve and then last Sunday we let them back into it again being 9 ahead but thankfully we closed out the gate and are through to the decider again.
Hopefully all the good and bad points from those game will be put to good use in the build up to the final. A final we have reached without our captain and also missing the team's spiritual leader for 1 full game and 2 half games againts the rebels.
Galvin owes his colleagues a world of gratitude to get him the opportunity of a possible final appearance, it did not look too likely with all the uproar after his moment of madness with Paddy Russell. But Galvin too needs to repay a big debt to the Kerry team. Will he play, probably but I dont think from the start. Can see him making a huge impression in the game.
Our problems are there for all to see, Diarmuid Murphy has had a few blunders this year but will hardly be changed at this stage of the year and his kickout though reasonably good still need to be vadied, the full back line is a problem, full back in particular has been a big concern, while Marc O'Se has been off form compared to last year, thankfully Tom O'Sullivan seems to have found himself again, but Sean Cavanagh and co will give us lots of problems. Padraig Reidy form of his debut year last year has deserted him too so it may only leave the option of playing Tommy Griffing for the final at full back, In itself not a bad thing aas Cavanagh will roam out the field at times, Which would leave Tom @Sullivan detailed on possibly Tommy McGuigan with Marc O'Se following McCullagh
Our half back line like Tyrone's has been out most consistant of the year, Tomas O'Se is playing the captain's role and seems to be peaking nicely, while leaving aside the dive against Cork, Aidan O'Mahony has had a great year too, was subdued in the replay last week and had a harsh free against him at a vital time in the second half, at least he did not rise to the baiting of the diving signals of a few of the langers. Killian Young too seems to have shaken off his injuries and has imposed himself in most games and will be hoping to add a senior medal to his U21 from earlier in the spring. The 3 of them pick themselves but all will have a busty day trying to curb the trhreat of Dooher, McMahon and possibly Penrose or Brian McGuigan.
Midfield is the key platform of the game and Seamus Scanlon has really stood up over the last few games to deliver, while Darragh was resting himself for the final it was left to Seamus and to a lesser extent Mike Quirke (another great move by Pat O'Shea) to keep the rebels at bay. Both will need to be on top of their games for the big joust in a few weeks. And though expected to win the aerial battles its what happens when they get back to earth that will matter most. Quick relaese of the ball is vital to get Cooper and Co working in time and space.
The half forward line again has not really clicked this year though Declan O'Sullivan is approaching his true potential as a leader of the team. Who flanks him on the wings will be the talking points in the kerry team make up, I think it will be Sheehan and Brosnan but both will have to contribute alot more than they did recently, Sheehan was held scoreless by Canty the last day but I'd expect him to start for his free taking alone, Brosnan if he starts will need to get stuck in but Donnach Walsh has taken the opportunities given him during Galvins extended holiday and may be in line for a final fling, and Mr Galvin himself will be bursting a gut when he gets back into full training with the panel next week to try and reclaim his starting spot. Darren O'Sullivan though probably deserving of a starting spot will be held back in reserve as will Sean O'Sullivan and even David Moran comes into the reckoning given his role in the Crok game, seems the few skelps Darragh and himself had in training had no harm.
Who ever wears the 10 and 12 jerseys for us will have to be well thought out as they will first of all have to try and impose their attacking style on the Tyrone trio but then will have alot of defending to do also when, Harte , Jordan and McMenimen and others counter attack as they do so well.
Our full forward line will also be unchanged, Cooper , Donaghy and Walsh form a a formidable attacking prong, how Kerry get ball to them and hows its used and then how Tyrone defend it will be one of the core winning points of the game. Cooper has started to hit a good vein of form and Donaghy has really stood out as a leader both at full forward and in midfield when he has moved out there. Tommy Walsh has been a handfull for all who have marked him and hopefully his confidence will be buzzing for the final. All three will be given a bag of lice and a razor for the expected bearded full back line. Though Gormley minus the beard is sure to figure on either Donaghy or Walsh with McMenimen detailed to make a nuisance of himself on Cooper. I'd say poor Gooch will have a bad dose of beard rash after this game.
Lots of work to do for us in the next 3 weeks but its a good place to be with many unanswered questions but glory beckons and the fabled 3-in-a-row is within touching distance. Thats the prize but its up to us to go out and win it and the minds need to be right like last year, it wont be easy but am looking forward to a cracking game with probably the 2 best teams of this decade
Am away to put my thoughts together on Tyrone.
Excellent analysis
Really enjoyed reading that KM.
Out of interest, this being your fifth final in a row and seventh this decade, are you not a bit bored? Are Kerry folk obsessed by this match, the way a lot of us Tyronies are? The scramble for tickets, hotel rooms, dressing up huge metal statues in jerseys, coming up with new songs, do you all go in for that down there year in, year out?
Chances are, with the team you have, you'll be here in the same position next year coming into September. I just wonder how you maintain the enthusiasm.
Excellent KM, your long-awaited arrival will stir a few of the bearded beasts.
One question though. Where do yiz get these bags of lice from?
Quoteare you not a bit bored?
No way it the excitement and build up of the whole weekend, I just love it and get a great buzz from it, yerra it keeps us going nicely during the winter.
This will be my 16 senior final attending (if I get a ticket) with Kerry involved, have seen them lose only 3 times and those 3 times I did not have a Canel end ticket, 82 was in the Hill, 02 in the Cusack, 05 in the Hogan. Its the one pisog I always have, that and the same pair of Y-fronts since 1978 !!!
Well we are both where you want to be 3rd Sunday in Sept!
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 03, 2008, 10:32:00 PM
Excellent KM, your long-awaited arrival will stir a few of the bearded beasts.
One question though. Where do yiz get these bags of lice from?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 10:36:55 PM
Quoteare you not a bit bored?
No way it the excitement and build up of the whole weekend, I just love it and get a great buzz from it, yerra it keeps us going nicely during the winter.
This will be my 16 senior final attending (if I get a ticket) with Kerry involved, have seen them lose only 3 times and those 3 times I did not have a Canel end ticket, 82 was in the Hill, 02 in the Cusack, 05 in the Hogan. Its the one pisog I always have, that and the same pair of Y-fronts since 1978 !!!
I think you have your answer ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 10:36:55 PM
No way it the excitement and build up of the whole weekend, I just love it and get a great buzz from it, yerra it keeps us going nicely during the winter.
Well I'm glad to hear that.
I was wondering to myself when I was at the M1 toll on Sunday evening whether Kerry fans would be beeping at each other with excitement like us idiots, despite being stuck in a traffic queue.
QuoteAre Kerry folk obsessed by this match, the way a lot of us Tyronies are? The scramble for tickets, hotel rooms, dressing up huge metal statues in jerseys, coming up with new songs, do you all go in for that down there year in, year out?
Obsessed yes but I think this year will be even more so , with the talk of 3-in-a-row now coming out of the shadows, while the Galvin, O'Se and O'Mahony affairs seem to have stirred a raw nerve within the county some of it over the top but passionate all the same.
The scramble for tickets will always be there and as usual there will be a flood of Kerry people from overseas making the pilgramage home that weekend, tis always a good weekend to catch up with old friends. There is also always the "Waiting for the final" brigade and they will be out in numbers this next few weeks. As for songs they have been banned since the attempt at 5-in-a-row, but there will be lots of flags out and a few green and yellow fertiliser bags nailed to telephone poles too.
I feel that I must quote the late, and very great, John B. Keane.
"there are only two real kingdoms: the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Kerry",
It is written so in the Book of Yerra.
Would I be right in thinking, seeing it's Tyrone, it adds a little extra spice for the Kerry ones? Even though you dont want to admit it ;)
The 2008 Festival of Yerra will be held as follows:
The Kerry Senior Football team will have their Press night on Friday 12th September.
* 6.00pm in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney for official Press photographers and TV cameras. There will not be interviews at this session.
* 8.30pm at The Brehon Hotel Killarney (usual format) for interviews with journalists.
Who was it that said "put me down for whatever I said last year"?
QuoteWould I be right in thinking, seeing it's Tyrone, it adds a little extra spice for the Kerry ones?
Not at all, dont be getting notions about yourself now Ziggy.
The goal at the start of the year was to put ourselves in a position to be back in the final and we will play whats put in front of us but be it Cork, Mayo or Tyrone all teams will get the same respect from us. The fact that it is Tyrone makes it a tough challenge but no more so than if it was the Dubs or any other team, but a final is a one off and what has come before will have little bearing.
I have to say the whole aurora is just starting to build in Tyrone, 3 AIFs in 6 years isn't much in Kerry's recent years, but more than almost any other county has experienced in the modern day.
The fact it's Tyrone again makes it special for the Kerry folk as well given that between us we served up the best final for most of a generation in 2005. I'd have thought that tickets might be easier to come by since the 1st & 2nd AI thing has settled a bit in Tyrone, but by all accounts there's a scramble even in the neutral counties for tickets as the 2 ambassadors of the modern game are playing. Deadly buzz about the place!
Are you green yet Tony or puking in your Buckfast bag? ;D
What about Ziggy's news ???? See the new thread !
In case you missed it, Stephen O'Neill is back for Tyrone.
Brilliant news maybe they will wheel out Canavan too.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
Brilliant news maybe they will wheel out Canavan too.
Ack no - they want to give you a fighting chance KM.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 03, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
Brilliant news maybe they will wheel out Canavan too.
Possibly - but I think Tyrone can beat Kerry without him ! ;)
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 03, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
I have to say the whole aurora is just starting to build in Tyrone, 3 AIFs in 6 years isn't much in Kerry's recent years, but more than almost any other county has experienced in the modern day.
The fact it's Tyrone again makes it special for the Kerry folk as well given that between us we served up the best final for most of a generation in 2005. I'd have thought that tickets might be easier to come by since the 1st & 2nd AI thing has settled a bit in Tyrone, but by all accounts there's a scramble even in the neutral counties for tickets as the 2 ambassadors of the modern game are playing. Deadly buzz about the place!
Are you green yet Tony or puking in your Buckfast bag? ;D
The wha?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2008, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 03, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
I have to say the whole aurora is just starting to build in Tyrone, 3 AIFs in 6 years isn't much in Kerry's recent years, but more than almost any other county has experienced in the modern day.
The fact it's Tyrone again makes it special for the Kerry folk as well given that between us we served up the best final for most of a generation in 2005. I'd have thought that tickets might be easier to come by since the 1st & 2nd AI thing has settled a bit in Tyrone, but by all accounts there's a scramble even in the neutral counties for tickets as the 2 ambassadors of the modern game are playing. Deadly buzz about the place!
Are you green yet Tony or puking in your Buckfast bag? ;D
The wha?
The Aurora Borealis, i.e, the
Northern Lights!
Word has it Tom O'Sullivan got injured this morning when he dropped a cup of coffee and damaged his metatarsal after reading steven o'neill was back.....
O'Mahony is also a major doubt amid reports he is aiming to challenge Britain's 14 year old Gold medal hopeful Tom Daley in the 10m Diving event in London 2012.
Advantage Tyrone today but will it be different tomorrow. I heard Galvin ate a live rabbit at training in an attempt to prove how up for it he is. Accordingly Gooch likes rabbits and wasnt happy though - Split in the camp perhaps.
i really don't know what to make of S.O.N apparently being back? part of me wud love to see grace the feild once more as i think he retired to soon and the other half thinks it's not fair..... we got to the all ireland didn't we, amid all of critics claiming we wouldn't because we didn't have a leader like canavan or a scorer like o neill.... but we proved them wrong..! what will happen will happen and i'll go with whatever mickey and the team decide..... but credit where credits due the current bunch of lads got us here through hard work and determination for which i'm very grateful for!
Yes! Just got a week off and got flights booked! Can't wait now.
Quote from: JUMBODEMPSEY on September 04, 2008, 11:28:02 AM
Word has it Tom O'Sullivan got injured this morning when he dropped a cup of coffee and damaged his metatarsal after reading steven o'neill was back.....
O'Mahony is also a major doubt amid reports he is aiming to challenge Britain's 14 year old Gold medal hopeful Tom Daley in the 10m Diving event in London 2012.
brian doher maybe not be playing either then...
With 2003 and 2005 in my mind last night I thought I'd have a look back on the teams from those games.
The Kingdom parts first which is easier to remember and thankfully to forget as quickly afterwards.
Of the Kerry starting 15 in 2003 only Tom O'Sullivan and Tomas O'Se remain from the backs and goalkeeper.
Declan O'Keeffe, Seamus Moynihan, Mike McCarthy, Eamon Fitzmaurice and John Sheehan have all retired out to the long grass. Marc O'Se came on in that game for John Sheehan and scored a point.
Kerry 2005 had Diarmuid Murphy in Goal and he will remain this year, in his dreams he gets a finger tip to Canavan's shot and turns it around the post, he is the hero of the day, but then he wakes up and realises it was a nightmare after all and the wee baldy fecker had actually scored a great goal. He will not want to see Paul Galvin anywhere near his full back line again. Lesson 1 - for Kerry to note, dont get dragged out the field or sucked into positions with no one protecting the square.
In the '05 backs there was a bit more familiarity to the current '08 six, with the 2 O'Se's and the Rathmore duo of O'Sullivan and O'Mahony lining out, with only Moynihan and McCarthy filling the extra defensive slots, their replacements this year will be Killian Young and either Padraig Reidy or Tommy Griffin though I think Griffin will get the role with his versatility. Tomas O'Se with a late goal to give us some final minutes of hope was the pick of the backs in 05.
08 Kerry backs: Full back line is still a big worry though has been shored up somewhat by Griffin. O'Se and O'Sullivan will have a busy day. The half backs need to defend as a priority but also drive on into attack if the opportunity presents itself as they are well capable of.
In 2003 Darragh O'Se and Eoin Brosnan started in the middle while in 2005 William Kirby provided O'Se's back up, this year we will have Seamus Scanlon who I think is a better player in the middle than either Brosnan or Kirby in their heyday, and he gets through an amount of work and complements O'Se well. Both need to improve on the Kerry midfield performances in 03 and 05, though O'Se scored 2 points in 05.
For '03 Dara O'Cinneide was on the forty with Liam Hassett at wing forward, both former winning captains now retired. The third member of the line was Sean O'Sullivan now a sub but moving further down the list with each passing game. O'Cinneide was the only one of the 3 scoring a point and all 3 were taken off replaced by John Crowley (retired), Aodan McGearailt (Retired) and Declan Quill (retired). Quill scored 2 points. Lesson 2 - Kerry half forwards need to stamp their attacking authority on the game and not let the Tyrone half backs dominate as they can.
In 2005 Liam Hassett was again on the wing and again was held scoreless and again taken off replaced by Mike Frank Russell who also remained scoreless, MFR though still in the Kerry panel has not got a run this year. On the other wing was one Paul Galvin, held scoreless and taken off, replaced by a young Brian Sheehan who also did not register any score. Eoin Brosnan was in the centre and though scoring 2 points failed to make a big impact. Lesson 2 - I repeat the above, the vital line for us to win breaking ball around the middle and to chip in with some scores too and to curtail the Tyrone trio. With only 3 points from the previous 2 games from the starting 15's it a big improvement needed from the 08 chosen half forward line. In 08 it will be Declan on in the Centre with the big dilemma for Pat O'Shea on who to pick on the wings, I'd expect Bryan Sheehan and Eoin Brosnan starting but expect to see Paul Galvin and Darren O'Sullivan brought in early just to keep the Tyrone half back line busy, also Sean O'Sullivan, Donnacha Walsh and David Moran will expect to see a bit of time on the pitch.
In '03 MFR was at No 13, he was held scoreless and replaced by Seamus Scanlon. Declan O'Sullivan was at full forward and scored a point while Cooper was in the other corner and also scored a point. The starting 6 forwards that day scored a miserable 3 points between them, which is clearly not good enough to win any game and was mostly down to the total domination of Tyrone. The other 3 points coming from subs.
In 2005 by contrast Cooper got off to a flyer in the game and finished with 5 points in the corner until an eye injury knocked the life out of him, the less said about that tackle the better. Dara O'Cinneide scored 1-1 from the other corner but did not really contribute and was replaced by Darren O'Sullivan who did not score while Declan O'Sullivan at full forward was scoreless. 1-6 was not a bad return on the day from this line but there was little to supplement it from out the field. - Lesson 3 - Need a greater scoring contribution from the inside 3.
The 2008 model will have the novel twin point of attack of Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh with Cooper sniping off the breaks, and Tyrone will not have faced this from Kerry before in the championship. This will be our key potential winning line, if all 3 fail to produce here Sam will be away up the M1 to Tyrone. The ball delivered and how it is managed by both Kerry and Tyrone will be the turning point of the final. Donaghy is key here, his aerial ability and speed of his movement of the ball is vital to get scores for himself or make them for others, going for his 4th final goal and playing against fathers county will be determined to put in a good performance. Walsh is still very raw and will need to stay out of getting involved in any off the ball stuff, but when he gets the ball there is a buzz about him, seems to be improving all the time and is very physically strong on the ball and for a big man has frightening speed, his choice of shooting options at times can be confusing but buried a great goal against Cork. Cooper too seems to be hitting form well as we head into September and another who is looking for his 4th final goal from 6 finals. And we will need a few of them as I dont see us out pointing Tyrone given their recent point scoring exploits.
And the KM review of Tyrone.
In 2003 of the current possible starting 6 backs and goalie, Tyrone had Devine in goal, he had little to do as Kerry never threatened, while in the Full back line were Ciaran Gourley and Ryan McMenimen in the corners with the late Cormac McAnallen at full back. Ryan scored a point in that game.
The 2005 model was changed about a bit with Paschal McConnell in the goals, and his biggest contribution to the day was taking out the Gooch but that's all water under the bridge now, dont think he will play in the final.
Ryan McMenimen was holding his corner position (and Gooch's jersey) and he will be in the same position in 3 weeks time, with Joe McMahon at full back that day in 05 but was replaced by Chris Lawn, and Joe has since been replaced by his brother Justin while moving to the forwards himself. Michael McGee played corner back in 05 and has since gone down the pecking order with Tyrone with Ciaran Gourley now in the driving seat, but will he be picked for the final and more importantly if picked will be deployed on Walsh or Donaghy. The Tyrone 4 jersey will be one of the possibly 3 positional choices that Mickey Harte will have to make. I'd expect plenty of beards in the pre-match parade.
The half back line is now as it was in 05 with Harte, Gormley and Jordan forming a formidable line and like Kerry, offering Tyrone strongest line, Jordan scored a point in that game. I'd expect Gormley to start in the centre and as one of Tyrone better man markers will be on either Walsh or Donaghy depending where they roam. Harte and Jordan like to wander up field and may not be the best defensively so hopefully we can exploit their absence somehow.
In Midfield in 03 was Kevin Hughes and Sean Cavanagh, Cavanagh kicking one point, in 05 it was Enda McGinley and Cavanagh with Holmes coming on early for the "injured" Canavan and we managed to keep all 3 scoreless, (would be nice to see the same result on this Sept 21st), with McGinley then making way for the second coming of the artist known as the Baldy Hoor, but McGinley has been in good form in the middle this year and while not so dominant in the air he has a strong engine and will cover all over the field while Cavanagh is a great player at either full forward, wing forward or when needed for a bit of digging out in the middle. Collie Holmes has been the recent incumbent in the middle with McGinley and I'd expect Harte to throw on Hughes at some stage if its getting a bit physical in the middle sector. The 2nd position up for grabs in my opinion.
Dooher has made the number 10 jersey his own and in both previous games has scored a point in each but he is more than that and is the driving heart of Tyrone, will lead from No 10 again and as captain fantastic will be a handful for Tomas O'Se or Aidan O'Mahony or whoever is detailed on him. I think it will be O'Mahony. The 10m Diving gold medal is up for grabs between these two.
Brian McGuigan has played on the forty in both games and has tormented us both times, scoring 2 points in 03 and going 1 better in 05, though losing a bit of recent form he will be a threat whether he starts or is introduced. His recent injury run seems to have cleared so this will be another of Harte's calls on whether to start him again in the centre or go with the likes of Martin Penrose.
In 03 Ger Cavlan was at 12 and though not scoring contributed well around midfield, he will be walking the dogs on this All Ireland Sunday as he has been retired by Tyrone. In 2005 Ryan Mellon scored 2 points but has since drifted down the ranks but would still be expected to make a contribution if called on. In '08 it looks like converted full back and ardent beard grower Joe McMahon will line out on the wing, he is a handy extra pair of hands around the middle and took his goal against the jackeens very well.
In 2003 the Tyrone full forward line was McGinley with 1 point, Peter Canavan also on 1 point and Owen Mulligan with 3 points, Stephen O'Neill came on for Canavan and scored 3 more.
In the 05 final we were routed by Canavan with 1-1, O'Neill with 4 pts and Mulligan also with 4. Canavan returned to replace McGinley. Thankfully Canavan retired soon afterwards, we've seen enough of him in Kerry to last a life time. Mulligan was to be the great blonde hope of the future of Tyrone after Canavan retired but seems to have really struggled in his master's absence, cant see him starting in 08 but will be an impact sub if needed.
In '08 its all change in the TY full forward line where Sean Cavanagh has manned the square to great effect but he will drift out the field when required and presents the biggest threat when he runs from the wing attacking the goal. If Tommy Griffin starts he will be on Cavanagh while it could also be left to Killain Young or Tomas O'Se to track him.
Colm McCullagh has really excelled in the playmakers role this year and for a light small fellow he gets through an amount of ball. Can see Marc O'Se sticking to him if possible. While it looks like Tommy MCGuigan will line out in the other corner even if he does not spend too much time there. Have been impressed with him this year and is a good free taker too.
And what of O'Neill, retiring months ago to now suddenly reappear fully fit and rearing to go and to be recalled to the limelight, he will find it very hard to get back into the Tyrone groove and up to the intensity of championship level and whoever's place he takes there will be a certain resentment, but there is a part of me thinking its a bit of a ploy by Harte. Its expected that Kerry will give a run to Paul Galvin which should raise the Kerry crowd and players, but maybe Tyrone will do their own crowd cheer leading if O'Neill is sprung from the bench even just to be seen on the big screen warming up, remember the cheer Darragh O'Se got last week just sitting in the dugout, remember the cheer Munster got in Cardiff in 06 when views of the crowd in Limerick were displayed on the big screen, just a thought, but given the effect of Canavan's re-introduction had in 05 , you would never know with Harte, he's a wily auld fecker.
More on the prospects for the Final for another day.
Once again KM excellent balanced and accurate
"In 2005 by contrast Cooper got off to a flyer in the game and finished with 5 points in the corner until an eye injury knocked the life out of him, the less said about that tackle the better."
Probably right to say nothing since you don't know what happened, unless you were talking to Cooper about it?
Anyway I'm pretty sure the 'injury' happened on about 10 minutes after he had scored a point, he went on to play well and add 4 more points to his tally (2play, 2 frees I think), creating plenty of points for others as well. So to say the 'injury', 'knocked the life out of him' is disingenuous at best.
Great stuff KM :D :D
Makes for an intriguing one all right.
Get your Joe McMahon mask
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/mcmahon.pdf
Or for those that aren't 'manly' enough (you're covered Rois, or rather, erm... you're not!), or just too late:
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/whiskers.pdf
that's never Mugsy - not ginger enough
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/mugsy.pdf
:D :D :D :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 09:31:45 PM
Or for those that aren't 'manly' enough (you're covered Rois, or rather, erm... you're not!), or just too late:
http://www.takeyourpoints.com/whiskers.pdf
FSB - that is quite scarey. Mind you Galvin has been known to wear a scraggly feasóg himself ;)
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
FSB - that is quite scarey. Mind you Galvin has been known to wear a scraggly feasóg himself ;)
Indeed Frank, I'm actually modelling mine on Galvin's*, albeit of a slightly 'lighter' shade, but never as brittle or liable to snap ;)
* féasógín atá agamsa anois, sin an méid :(
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
FSB - that is quite scarey. Mind you Galvin has been known to wear a scraggly feasóg himself ;)
Indeed Frank, I'm actually modelling mine on Galvin's*, albeit of a slightly 'lighter' shade, but never as brittle or liable to snap ;)
* féasógín atá agamsa anois, sin an méid :(
Have you ever heard the expression "more hair on a pound of butter"?*
*For those of you who believe that dairy products only come from the fridge in your local supermarket - please ignore.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: laceer on September 04, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
what about midfield?
will holmes start?
cavanagh ff or mf?
Can see Holmes starting in midfield with Mc Ginley, but Hughes will have a big part to play, though not from the off. Cavanagh FF, at least initially.
Should be here, not the Stevie thread!
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 04, 2008, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 10:04:24 PM
Indeed Frank, I'm actually modelling mine on Galvin's*, albeit of a slightly 'lighter' shade, but never as brittle or liable to snap ;)
* féasógín atá agamsa anois, sin an méid :(
Have you ever heard the expression "more hair on a pound of butter"?*
Not quite in that zone Frank in truth, for such a tough nut, what a feeble growth!
I exited left from Galvin's facial growth zone on my fifteenth birthday, fadó, fadó ;)
Good post KM ! Well done.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 11:46:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2008, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: laceer on September 04, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
what about midfield?
will holmes start?
cavanagh ff or mf?
Can see Holmes starting in midfield with Mc Ginley, but Hughes will have a big part to play, though not from the off. Cavanagh FF, at least initially.
Should be here, not the Stevie thread!
oops sorry
got over excited there and forgot myself.good work FOSB :-[
your thoughts on tyrones' mf are like mine..clear as muck :D
there's about 6 or 7 who'll be there or there abouts at some stage. i thought mellon was doing well all year.has he a chance?
i think it was oneill who said it before the mayo game - the longer we can afford to leave cavanagh in ff the better we'll be doing
Yes laceer, Mellon has done well, no question. But... it's all about the last game and the next... As you say... Mud!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2008, 12:24:40 AM
Yes laceer, Mellon has done well, no question. But... it's all about the last game and the next... As you say... Mud!
it's muck in the country ;D
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2008, 12:56:35 AM
Both prodigal sons are back .Me thinks they will be on the comfy seats with regular camera shots
We can all dream John,
Of three SAMs in a row,
of Green and Gold upon,
the Cup that we all know.
Of lambs and streams,
And MacGillicuddys' Reeks,
Of Peaks so high and dreams,
And the Cup and all who seeks.
And Croke in September's dawn,
The rightful place of these,
For whom the Cup of Bawn,
Is but an overflowing tease
But hold ye yet your steeds,
And carriages of buccanneers' gold,
Have we still the measure of your deeds,
For our dreams are not yet sold
The Red Hand has yet a throw,
Of Cards so new and bold,
Bolder than you'll ever know,
And truly new but old
And what a hand it be
First of puke and then no less
of formula 1 high octancy
and now a higher blend we're blessed
And then again to the crucible
Those newly Kingdom reborns
Where all will depend that we're able,
To tame those wild goats' horns!
Bring it on ;)
* I'm very well aware, thank you, that this is
poetry doggerel of a fairly low quality. Therein lies the challenge... let's be having you (as certain people from an island not too far away say) ;)
Ahem....
There once was a great team from Kerry
Although one of them fell like a fairy
had knocked him straight out -
With the sort of a clout
You'd normally see about Derry.
There was a full forward called Stevie
No, not the one from Killeavy,
She's him chained to the sink,
He wont turn to the drink
compared to that, training is easy.
If the pun is the lowest form of comedy, the limerick never rated much higher.
There was a buck Stevie home alone
Who took up the training on his own
When the beards were taking shape
Mayo, Dublin and the Yella Bellies they did bate
Now Stevie is back with Tyrone
Just over 2 weeks to go to AI football final and this thread was on page 2 !!!
T-Fearon is winning the battle you Tyrone folk
What does everyone think the team will be for the final? i think on the day tyrone will line out as follows
John
Joe McMahon Justin McMahon Conor Gormley
Davy Jordan Ricey
McGinley Hub
Dooher B McGugian Penrose
T McGugian Sean McCullagh
Quote from: longball on September 05, 2008, 05:49:48 PM
What does everyone think the team will be for the final? i think on the day tyrone will line out as follows
John
Joe McMahon Justin McMahon Conor Gormley
Davy Jordan Ricey
McGinley Hub
Dooher B McGugian Penrose
T McGugian Sean McCullagh
Not a bad look to that at all, adds a bit of height to that back line
Heres my idea see:
Joe marking Tommy Walsh
Justin marking Donaghy
Conor marking gooch
Davy on sheehan
Jordan on O'Sullivan
and Ricey on Galvin/Brosan
Seen this on orchard county and thought it was interesting although it needs to be remembered that its 1 county versus 5 (and they have bout twice the AIs of the whole of Ulster.)
Kerrys record in All-Ireland final against teams from Ulster shows the northern province ahead in 8 meetings against the kingdom,
the winning years were, 1947 cavan, 1960 Down, 1968 Down, 2002 Armagh, and 2005 Tyrone.
Kerry were winners in 1930 over Monaghan, in 1937 over Cavan and in 1953 over Armagh.
This item of Ulster dominance over Kerry in All-Ireland finals is never ever quoted , I think it is well worth mentioning, can Tyrone add to Ulsters proud record?, as an Ulsterman I hope they can.
QuoteKerry were winners in 1930 over Monaghan, in 1937 over Cavan and in 1953 over Armagh.
Tyrone 1986
Quoteand they have bout twice the AIs of the whole of Ulster.)
36 to 15 is a bit more than twice but we will take it.
Heading home from America to my first All-Ireland Football final. Always support my Ulster comrades and looking forward to a cracker. My ticket is at the back of the upper deck of the Hogan. I know from a previous Hurling final that players look like little dots at that height. However, I hear if you tell the stewards that you suffer vertigo they might move you closer to the action. Its not often I tell wee white one's but this is a special circumstance case. :P
Come on Tyrone for God and Ulster ;)
Quote from: longball on September 05, 2008, 05:49:48 PM
What does everyone think the team will be for the final? i think on the day tyrone will line out as follows
John
Joe McMahon Justin McMahon Conor Gormley
Davy Jordan Ricey
McGinley Hub
Dooher B McGugian Penrose
T McGugian Sean McCullagh
Are you serious??
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 05, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
QuoteKerry were winners in 1930 over Monaghan, in 1937 over Cavan and in 1953 over Armagh.
Tyrone 1986
Quoteand they have about twice the AIs of the whole of Ulster.)
36 to 15 is a bit more than twice but we will take it.
Mike I just cut and pasted that I didnt write the thing but 1986 does make it 5-4
I also said Kerry had about twice as many I didnt sit down and count either sides or bother checking exact totals hence "ABOUT" being used.
36 isnt a mile of being ABOUT twice as many as 15 and it is even closer to twice 16 which is what it will be after this year ;) :D ;D
Devine
Ricey Justy Gourley
Davy Gormley Jordan
Cavanagh Enda
Dooher Brian Joe
Tommy Stevie McCullagh
I know Gourley has made a couple of slips but he's earnt his place with a few solid games.
I know Stevie hasn't played intercounty for a while but if all the suggestions that he's flyin fit are true then imo he should start. Realistically Niall Gormley and Shaun O'Neill wouldn't be making an appearance regardless of Stevie O'N coming back. Colm Cavanagh/Mugsy/Mulgrew/Penrose/Mellon etc are great options to have and I'm sure the Beard will make all the tough decisions and big calls and whatever team he puts out will bring Sam to tyrone again :D
Séamus Begley (Ciarraí) sang,
The Mountains of Pomeroy,
And with it my heart rang,
With pure unbridled joy
For no sweeter voice have I heard,
Sing that queen of song,
And what beauty to have shared,
That song of Sigerson's
Fair dues Séamus, was great to catch you last Saturday in O'Shea's The Merchants as you crooned away, and mo chara agus mé féin shook you by the hand. Maith thú!
Quote from: 20leg-end08 on September 05, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
Devine
Ricey Justy Gourley
Davy Gormley Jordan
Cavanagh Enda
Dooher Brian Joe
Tommy Stevie McCullagh
Not a chance that Stevie will start. Cavanagh will be FF I'd say, at least initially, with Holmes in the middle of the park. Hughes to play a pivotal role as an impact (literally) sub for the midfield.
I think he'll start the 'human wrecking ball' (Copyright Paddy Heaney) in Hughes. Penrose may also get the nod over Brian.
4, 9 and 11 are up for grabs, although Gourley should start.
A Tyrone fan was asked on how Tyrone would cope with the twin towers, Donaghy and Walsh! He replies with confidence "bearded men have toppled the twin towers in the past"
Quote from: gerry on September 05, 2008, 09:45:28 PM
A Tyrone fan was asked on how Tyrone would cope with the twin towers, Donaghy and Walsh! He replies with confidence "bearded men have toppled the twin towers in the past"
This one is doing the rounds at the minute :
Q: What is the difference between a Tyrone Man and a coconut?
A: One's thick and hairy, and the other's a coconut
Sorry! ;D - it had to be posted!
:D :D :D
Very good Gerry and CTK
Very good indeed :D :D
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 05, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
This one is doing the rounds at the minute :
Q: What is the difference between a Tyrone Man and a coconut?
A: One's thick and hairy, and the other's a coconut
Sorry! ;D - it had to be posted!
Looking forward to your reprise come the 22nd September! ;) (And don't go absent please!)
Bit of an addict for these captures - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8-1XrwvdVE&feature=related
Did ye see what the Yella Belly did for McCullagh's free?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2008, 11:09:48 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 05, 2008, 09:54:24 PM
This one is doing the rounds at the minute :
Q: What is the difference between a Tyrone Man and a coconut?
A: One's thick and hairy, and the other's a coconut
Sorry! ;D - it had to be posted!
Looking forward to your reprise come the 22nd September! ;) (And don't go absent please!)
Hey! dont be getting the hump! only a bit of craic. No offence intended. What harm in a bit of a laugh? Yerra - ye may well beat us on the 21st but shure what harm? ye still have a long way to get to 35 so we wont be too upset. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wv6wfiFbtw&feature=related
Quote from: ONeill on September 05, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wv6wfiFbtw&feature=related
Full of Greencastle lads.
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wv6wfiFbtw&feature=related
Grew up with the beared lads at the end of it......some craic :D
Get in the mood -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixtNZTc2zxE&NR=1
Keep er lit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78&feature=related
I like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71miJoS-u8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71miJoS-u8)
That's crap.
So are you
I'll fight ye. Skylon. 20th. 8pm. No animals.
O Neill is right, that one is crap. I like the ay up one before it though
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2008, 12:29:30 AM
I'll fight ye. Skylon. 20th. 8pm. No animals.
What about nails and sharp objects?
I'd be surprised if Mickey vaired too much from the winning starting 15 v Dub & v Wexford just to accomodate Stevie. Big Sean to start at FF again.
SoN won't be starting, it wouldn't be fair to the players that were there all year. I do believe he will be on the bench though as an impact sub. Likely to come on after Galvin.
Hard to know who will be dropped though. My guess would either be Mulgrew or Mulligan.. probably Mulgrew.
Can't see Sean Cavanagh moving from full forward either. Thought he built up a lot of muscle this year to fit that roll.
awh ziggy u must be pullin my leg, that was awful!! Hard to beat the boogie men for an AI warm up tune, sally's wouldn't be the same without it lol so do we think 4, 9 an 11 will change from last Sunday? I'm just glad I don't have to pick the team! If I was MH I'd be puttin out the same 15, we got the back up on the bench to come in to help out, still feel stevie will play a bit part on 21st but wat excites me the most is that he's back for the foreseeable future, can only be good for Tyrone football! Well anyway I'm saying a prayer that a ticket lands in my lap like 05 but I hope it's another classic an the craic's mighty in the next 15 days, good luck to Kerry an tyrone! Tir Eoghain Abu!
QuoteLooking forward to your reprise come the 22nd September! (And don't go absent please!)
wow, you lads really expect to win dont you...
Quote from: ONeill on September 06, 2008, 12:20:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78&feature=related
Definitely one of the better match dirges. Should be the '08 signature tune.
Holy f**k that is awful Ziggy!!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 06, 2008, 12:39:36 AM
SoN won't be starting, it wouldn't be fair to the players that were there all year. I do believe he will be on the bench though as an impact sub. Likely to come on after Galvin.
Hard to know who will be dropped though. My guess would either be Mulgrew or Mulligan.. probably Mulgrew.
no chance of that happening, both still offer a lot if introduced from the bench. I think the man to drop out of the squad will be Jonny Curran not much need for three keepers as two will suffice.
Quotewow, you lads really expect to win dont you...
Did you like the way ye side stepped you there KM.
Everyone totally ignored ya. You'll see a lot more side steps on Sunday weeks,
Nah maybe your right. We'll just show up to clap ye up the steps.
Its Mike Sheehy not Kerry Mike........10am in the morning is a bit early to be drunk isn't it (or maybe late by Tyrone standards) ? get your act together ffs.
If it was 10am at night he'd be really drunk!
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 06, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 06, 2008, 12:39:36 AM
SoN won't be starting, it wouldn't be fair to the players that were there all year. I do believe he will be on the bench though as an impact sub. Likely to come on after Galvin.
Hard to know who will be dropped though. My guess would either be Mulgrew or Mulligan.. probably Mulgrew.
no chance of that happening, both still offer a lot if introduced from the bench. I think the man to drop out of the squad will be Jonny Curran not much need for three keepers as two will suffice.
We already had 31 in the panel before O'Neill came back. Curran wouldnt have been a sub anyway unless someone got injured. I'd say he'll tog out 31 or 32 on the day like in 03 (I think thats what happened) but obvioulsy you can only have 15 subs. I wonder does Swift regret leaving the panel after the Down game now - you dont get too many opportunities to be part of a squad in the All Ireland final.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2008, 06:29:35 AM
wow, you lads really expect to win dont you...
Not in the slightest...
But I will be homeless if we lose!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2008, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2008, 06:29:35 AM
wow, you lads really expect to win dont you...
Not in the slightest...
But I will be homeless if we lose!
Ye already have the beard ;)
Tyrone win Mike? Not a hope, we're only there to make the numbers up ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on September 06, 2008, 01:25:04 PM
Ye already have the beard ;)
It all helps Zap ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 05, 2008, 11:27:02 PM
Hey! dont be getting the hump! only abit of craic. No offence intended.
And no offence taken ;)
Something of a topical piece in yesterday's Irish Times, from Frank Mc Nally :D
An Irishman's Diary
AS THE Government grapples with the crisis in public finances, some imaginative fiscal responses will be required. So it seems a rather pointed coincidence that the announcement of an emergency budget should be made just as Russia is marking the 310th anniversary of Peter the Great's tax on beards.
In fairness, the reforming czar's infamous measure was not primarily a fundraising exercise. It was part of a drive to westernise his countrymen in everything including their appearance. More particularly, it was an assault on the power of the Boyars, the Russian noblemen who wore long beards and traditional dress. Peter shaved some of these personally to make his point.
The tax he imposed in September 1698 was only a compromise, after the Boyars resisted his reforms on religious grounds. Thenceforward, they were allowed to retain their beards by paying 100 roubles a year.
But this is surely one possible avenue for Brian Lenihan to explore. Although the motivation would be mainly financial, an Irish tax on beards would also target some modern-day Boyars: academics, economists, left-wing intellectuals, and fundamentalist members of the Green Party. This would make it popular with Fianna Fáil grassroots (and also perhaps with the Green Cabinet members).
Of course, there would have to be exemptions for religious groups: Orthodox Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, and so on. But bikers, ballad singers, and the Fine Gael spokesman on health, James Reilly (who has been tipped to succeed Enda Kenny, despite voters' well-known prejudice against candidates with facial hair) would all be fair game.
Against complaints of unfairness it could be argued that beard-wearers are currently avoiding VAT on razors. But the minister could also defuse such criticisms by simultaneously introducing a new "green" tax on disposable razors with more than two blades.
As well as wringing revenue from saps who fall for those poncey ads with Roger Federer and Thierry Henry, this would help curb blade-inflation in the disposable razor sector which, at current rates, will hit double digits by the end of the decade. The junior Government party would have no choice but to support the move.
Rather than wait until the Budget to bring in the beard tax, incidentally, I suggest the Minister should rush an emergency bill through the Dáil before September 21st, allowing him to impose a "windfall" beard levy on anyone entering Dublin on the weekend of the All-Ireland football final.
This would capitalise on a fashion now rampant in Tyrone. Ever since the shock demolition of the Dubs, the Ulster county's miraculous re-emergence as title contenders (without the help of another Peter the Great) has been attributed to the wearing of beards by several team members.
The more committed and/or superstitious supporters had no choice but to follow the trend, and a rash (as it were) of beard-growing has resulted: suggesting that the All-Ireland final will see the hairiest southbound migration from Tyrone since the Battle of Kinsale.
To minimise traffic disruption, I suggest the Department of Finance sets up barbershop/tax-collection booths at the M1 toll plaza, offering fans a choice of being shaved on the spot (dry, with hedge clippers) or paying the levy.
No doubt some Tyrone fans will try to invoke the religious loophole. But patriotic nationalists as they are, most will be only too happy to help the Free State's finances in an hour of need.
I WOULD like to apologise to the proud people of Wexford for omitting their county from last week's column on embarrassing place-names.
As several have taken the trouble to point out since, the south-east is not just sunny. It also boasts three of the rudest-sounding locations in Ireland: Bastardstown, Horestown, and a place that - even in its American sense - would give Pratts Bottom in England a run for its money.
I will name it in the words of one correspondent who wrote, recalling an occasion when he found himself "lost in the maze that is South Wexford, shouting to a deaf 80- year-old man for directions to Fannystown".
The same man informs me that Hore is a common surname in Wexford, and was once attached to a family of landed gentry near Taghmon. The family's descendents include Lord Gowrie, the former British cabinet minister, who confirmed to the local historical society that he was indeed "a Hore of Harperstown". Sorting out family identities and their geographic origins - a staple of Irish conversation - must make for some interesting exchanges Wexford.
Although we might imagine such names are embarrassing to have in your address, local attitudes typically range between pride and indifference. This may explain the name of a house currently for sale in Wexford. "Two Hoots" is located in Bastardstown. And the several property websites on which it is now advertised on include "Daft.ie". It's a funny old world.
Tyrone too seems to have its share of curiously named places, by the way - including one called "Gammy" and the twin townlands of "Balix Upper" and "Balix Lower". Then there's a place in Antrim, which should be in Tyrone. It's called Beardiville.
FROM embarrassing place-names to embarrassing name-places. The shrine of St Fiacre at Meaux is not, as I suggested last week, in Brittany. There is a church of St Fiacre in Brittany, all right. But as a reader has drawn to my attention, Meaux and the main site associated with the Irish monk is a long way east of Brittany, at Seine-et-Marne, near Paris.
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
Don't tease the animals!
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
that a boy mickey, you keep flying it
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
You were lucky the natives showed such restraint and didn't use you for target practice.
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 06, 2008, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
You were lucky the natives showed such restraint and didn't use you for target practice.
they will need plenty of it before the 21st
Quote from: gerry on September 06, 2008, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 06, 2008, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
You were lucky the natives showed such restraint and didn't use you for target practice.
they will need plenty of it before the 21st
They will indeed although their total of just 5 wides against the langers last Sunday is no bad thing. Still though with we having to get Moynihan and Paidi O'Se out of retirement we must be in trouble.
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
There's dangerous, there's very dangerous, there's don't want to live anymore dangerous, and then there's that. Glad you're still alive ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2008, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
There's dangerous, there's very dangerous, there's don't want to live anymore dangerous, and then there's that. Glad you're still alive ;)
Sure, if any Kerry supporter flew a Kerry flag in Omagh, dungannon, Strabane or elsewhere in Tyrone youse boys would'nt get upset or easily wound up? Would ye? ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 06, 2008, 08:58:29 PM
Sure, if any Kerry supporter flew a Kerry flag in Omagh, dungannon, Strabane or elsewhere in Tyrone youse boys would'nt get upset or easily wound up? Would ye? ;)
It happens regularly -- there are quite a number of Derry and Armagh people resident in Tyrone ;)
stars dad has a huge Kerry flag outside his house behind my grandads house! You would see the odd man cheering on Kerry as well, the Man Utd of the Gaelic world :P
There's a Kerry flag up in Greencastle. Can't say anyone's too upset about it.
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
I'm sure they're not complaining about some more tourist dollars in the coffers. If you had bought the flag in Cork and brought it to Killarney it'd be a different matter!
Kerry people are well used of having opposition flags displayed on the run up to All Irelands and I have never seen anybody get annoyed over it. In fact it's the complete opposite, time for enjoyment and a bit of good natured banter which helps promote the atmosphere.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 06, 2008, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2008, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on September 06, 2008, 06:04:36 PM
Bought a huge Tyrone flag in Killarney today and walked around with it for a while over my back. The locals weren't impressed.
There's dangerous, there's very dangerous, there's don't want to live anymore dangerous, and then there's that. Glad you're still alive ;)
Sure, if any Kerry supporter flew a Kerry flag in Omagh, dungannon, Strabane or elsewhere in Tyrone youse boys would'nt get upset or easily wound up? Would ye? ;)
Art mcRory ahd a big Kerry flag in his front garden pre the 86 final. Kerry have always been welcome in Tyrone.
Quote from: Seamus on September 07, 2008, 03:08:36 PM
Kerry people are well used of having opposition flags displayed on the run up to All Irelands and I have never seen anybody get annoyed over it. In fact it's the complete opposite, time for enjoyment and a bit of good natured banter which helps promote the atmosphere.
They weren't impressed in the nicest manner-smiling through gritted teeth, talking to me while looking the opposite way, etc. Twas funny. Asked one character where to get a good pint of guinness and he said "Over there, but don't blame me if it's not for I won't be around when you get out!" in true Kerry style!
Quote from: hardstation on September 07, 2008, 09:23:47 PM
O'Neill's/ JT's/ The Venue in Coalisland have a dodgy Plunkett Donaghy statue outside.
Any tickets?
Ha ha, my cousin went to an 80's party last weekend as Plunkett!!
flights booked , no tickets as yet, but you never know
Flag's bound to be looking a bit tattered now hardstation.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-PREMIUM-LEVEL-GAA-ALL-IRELAND-FOOTBALL-TICKETS_W0QQitemZ220278348629QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220278348629&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
think i'll bid £50000000000000000 for these
do any omagh posters remember the "Gooch Busters" banner outside Sally's in 05? Well just heard from my source (my brother who works there) that this years theme is the "Super Dooher's!" you heard it here 1st, surely this puts ziggy in 2nd place for scoop of the year? Ha ha :P
QuoteWell just heard from my source (my brother who works there) that this years theme is the "Super Dooher's!"
A bit wet compared to the 2005. They've had 2 years to come up with a worthy successor like "Star Strangling Hammers" or something.
Quote from: hardstation on September 07, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Aye and it's wrapped around the pole like f**k too. Looks like a bar on the Shankill.
FFS. ::) A man goes on holidays for a fortnight and comes back to shite like this!!
We're Ulster Champions.....it's staying up till next year..... :)
"Shooting Star" should be the theme with a mock-up of Ricey and Gormley holding AK47s and blowing the head clean off Donaghy.
"Book Club" should be a side-burner with a mock-up of Ricey and Gormley brutally clubbing Galvin who has a book in his hand.
Something fun like that.
ahh, more O'Neill "humour"
bit like your "Rub(out)-a-dub" crowd control issue getting rid of a few dubs
you're a barrel of laughs so you are...
f**kin dump...they cant even maintain the name over the pub door.
You're right there Mike, it's no Sun h ne De serts.
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Has Sally's re-opened then? Last time I was home there was fairly major renovation going on.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 08, 2008, 08:02:24 PM
ahh, more O'Neill "humour"
bit like your "Rub(out)-a-dub" crowd control issue getting rid of a few dubs
you're a barrel of laughs so you are...
Sheehy, you honestly need to get a hold of yourself. Your behaviour is becoming extremely erratic and tetchy. It's like cyber-carcrash watching you disintegrate like this in public. 'Only a game' tell yourself.
reopened in the summer
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Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 08, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 08, 2008, 03:04:21 PM
do any omagh posters remember the "Gooch Busters" banner outside Sally's in 05? Well just heard from my source (my brother who works there) that this years theme is the "Super Dooher's!" you heard it here 1st, surely this puts ziggy in 2nd place for scoop of the year? Ha ha :P
For those with short memories...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/liskey/goochbusters-1.jpg)
Big Star tried to head butt Ricey coming out of sallys one night. Those kerry boys cant hould their drinnk.' Thats where the letters above the door went to.
Quote from: gerry on September 09, 2008, 12:45:44 AM
reopened in the summer
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As a gay bar apparantly. What's with the rainbow :D :D
Jaysus lads the silence is deafening. What's everyone waiting for?
Are all ye newbies who posted 21 pages on SON burnt out already?
Can we get back to talking about the match and maybe tactics or who'll mark who.
Will Tyrone risk the same tactics as the last game and push their whole defence up the field for a period and swap defenders like mad so nobody knows who they're marking.
Will tyrone try to keep all kick nuts away from Big Darragh and how?
Will they kick long balls into full forward line to Sean and Tommy or carry it in to counteract a sweeper?
Can we risk our half backs pushing up so much for scores knowing that should a move break down it could result in a long ball into the twin towers in Middle Earth where The Star can reap his rewards for leaving his Shire as a child?
Surely we can talk more interesting stuff that bloody silly Sally O posters?
I am wondering will the great tactician Gandalf Harte try anything to get a response from the Kingdom's army on their apparent short fuses this year?
I hope our discipline stays as good as the last 2 games and Ricey doesn't get booked for stupid mouthing
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2008, 12:39:05 AM
Sheehy, you honestly need to get a hold of yourself. Your behaviour is becoming extremely erratic and tetchy. It's like cyber-carcrash watching you disintegrate like this in public. 'Only a game' tell yourself.
relax O'Neill, dont get your knickers in a twist...
Apparently Gooch is waking up in cold-sweats at night screaming NO! NO!! NOOOOO!! and holding his eye. His mum then comes in and puts a wet flannel over his ginger brow and tucks him back in with his teddy saying "Don't you worry yourself pet, sure Uncle Pat will be starting you at CHF so you've only Conor Gormley to worry about this time". Gooch then hides under the duvet with a torch.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 09, 2008, 03:09:43 AM
Can we risk our half backs pushing up so much for scores knowing that should a move break down it could result in a long ball into the twin towers in Middle Earth where The Star can reap his rewards for leaving his Shire as a child?
I am wondering will the great tactician Gandalf Harte try anything to get a response from the Kingdom's army on their apparent short fuses this year?
Those tall Kerry trees will attempt to defeat the Tyrone Orcs the same way the trees defeated the Orcs in The Lord Of The Rings......................by flooding the midfield.
will colly holmes start at mf? mcginleys a cert but i rckon his partner could be one of mellon,holmes,hub or cavanagh.there'll def be some switching throughout the match but whose to start?kerry will be planning for cavanagh starting at least in ff - makes me think that maybe MH will start him in the middle
Almost slipping off the 1st page lads come on
Are we all just very busy at work or are we too scared to let too much outta the bag
I think ye'll see Joey starting af MF and Sean at FF with Stevie O'Neill in goals
Then when we get a sideline ball they'll all switch like that gameshow years ago with Mike Reid where he shouts
"RUNAROUND NOW"
How do ye think Justy will fair on Star and will Conor mark the other Tower?
I think we wont see so many forrays forward this time by our corner backs but I find it intriging the way they all seem to mark a forward for a while and then change
Its as if mentally nobody will get a roasting the whole game and so maybe can relax more and not be so scared to make mistakes
I wonder how Mugsy feels the whole year having become a fringe player. Does anyone know is it totally based on form or was there any incidents?
How would have thought that we'd have played 7 matches this year and scored the massive scores we have without Canavan, Stevie, Mugsy, Cavlan, Mulgrew & a half fit Brian Mac.
I recall up in Celtic park when Derry beat us and Paddy Bradlry was showboating having given Conor Gormley a tough evening and thinking we're not going anywhere this year as we've NO forwards worth talking about.
Mickey has really changed this Tyrone team from a team that for years was always dependant on a STAR forward to get you most of your scores to a complete TEAM Based Performance team where even Tommy McGuigan passes now when he could really have a go himself.
Win lose or Draw I'm thoroughly enjoyed going to ALL 7 games this year and especially beating the Dubs once more.
I just hope we can finish it off now and throw another spanner into the works to those who say Kerry have been the team outstanding team of the Noughties.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 09, 2008, 03:45:56 PM
I just hope we can finish it off now and throw another spanner into the works to those who say Kerry have been the team outstanding team of the Noughties.
The SPANNER CONSPIRACY80% of Noughties All-Irelands already decided, and as they stand:
Ciarraí 40%
Tír Eoghain 20%
Ard Mhacha 10%
An Ghaillimh 10%
Come 1700 hours on Sunday 21st September, we will either have
Ciarraí 50%
Tír Eoghain 20%
Ergo, Kerry the undisputed team of the decade, or...
Ciarraí 40%
Tír Eoghain 30% <---- THE SPANNER
with 10%
yet to be determined!
All to play for!
Hard to know when your sources are accurate but I heard O'Neill scored 0-8 at the weekend in a 'challenge' game for the county.
Quote from: AFS on September 09, 2008, 07:53:14 PM
Is there really anything to this?
That's the $64,000,000 question. Time will tell, but they Kerry camp seem very confident he'll be fit to start -- still a good deal of time.
You'd imagine if he was really injured they'd keep it under wraps...I'd be sceptical.
Donaghy has not trained since the semi final and is a major doubt at the moment, hopefully he will come through. Paul Galvin game through training but was rusty at times but scored a few points, the referee at one stage dropped his whistle and Galvin the reformed man picked it up for him.
Seems the Kerry B team lined out in Tyrone Jerseys last night in a full match with the A team and Tomas O'Se was seen leaving Killarney with shreds of one of them hanging off him. The B team won by 5 points though.
Things are not looking good in the Kingdom.
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
Hard to know when your sources are accurate but I heard O'Neill scored 0-8 at the weekend in a 'challenge' game for the county.
Heard something similar. If its right and he is on the top of his game I wonder will Harte be tempted to start him. Previously I didnt think there was any chance but it might be hard to resist it. Harte has never been afraid to throw boys on out of the blue after not having had much game time but they've normally been training with the team all year.
QuoteTír Eoghain 30% <---- THE SPANNER
Tyrone are not just one spanner, but 15 spanners turning together.
Ticket wanted......preferably Canal End.
Will buy pints and you can have full use of my goat for a month.
I will get you 2 tickets when Antrim get to a final. How's that for being fair.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 09, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
Ticket wanted......preferably Canal End.
Will buy pints and you can have full use of my goat for a month.
Boys I've had this goat. Not worth the hassle. High maintenance what with phonecalls and holidays.
QuoteI wish I was from Kerry.
This has been saved for future use.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 09, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
Seems the Kerry B team lined out in Tyrone Jerseys last night in a full match with the A team and Tomas O'Se was seen leaving Killarney with shreds of one of them hanging off him. The B team won by 5 points though.
Things are not looking good in the Kingdom.
Didn't Jack O'C use this in 2005 with 16 against 15 to increase the pressure on his starting 15? - worked a treat for first 20 mins.
Watched a wee bit of the 2005 final tonight. Will watch it again in full, full, on Friday. Tyrone were 7-8 points better off that day, as expressed by O'Rourke and Brolly. Mellon roasted Tomas O'Se early on and his goal came against the run of play. Worryingly, though, Mulligan, Canavan and O'Neill catered for 1-9 of the 1-16.
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2008, 11:29:39 PM
Worryingly, though, Mulligan, Canavan and O'Neill catered for 1-9 of the 1-16.
In the days when we depended on the few for scores.
Ach, I just wanted to use 3 commas in quick succession.
Sorry to incommacitate you.
You inveigled (Gaaboard Word of the Year 2007) the real reason from me.
MoM will be Plunkett Donaghy. I hear he's making a comeback for the game.
Quote from: ONeill on September 09, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
Hard to know when your sources are accurate but I heard O'Neill scored 0-8 at the weekend in a 'challenge' game for the county.
tyrone and Mickey Harte dont do challenge games :P
Great news everyone!! Donaghey will probably be fit!!! The radio where reporting this morning that he will be able to play. They didn't mention anyone else so we can only assume they are all doubtfull.
Quote1-5 in an in-house match on saturday
They played 15 v 15 panelists. Stevie chalked up 1-5 without breaking sweat turning Conor Gormley inside out and Riceys beard fell off with heat exhaustion.
There was a vapour trail left by Stevie and anyone who came in contact with it got their hair all synged !!! ;) :D
If Stevie is as fit, as hungry and as sharp as all the rumours I've heard then will it be hard for Mickey not to start him
I think poor Star is gonna have a hard day at the office as to be fair to them he's their best player now I think this year and his constant whinging at the Ref could be perceived as a weakness.
With gentlemen like Ricey, Gormley & even Dooher getting in his face a little I think we could see poor Star blowing his top and could see the red mist descend on the man with red hand blood. I think it could be all too much for him as he'll not have come up against this intensity before and he certainly didn't seem to like it v Cork.
I think the Ref needs to be strong and ever questioning of his decision should be punishable immediately with 20 yds.
I just hope he doesn't do what he did against Armagh 2 years ago when he responds with a great catch and goal but I think Justy could be tailor made for Donaghy with a few others helping him I think.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 10, 2008, 10:49:59 AM
If Stevie is as fit, as hungry and as sharp as all the rumours I've heard then will it be hard for Mickey not to start him
I think poor Star is gonna have a hard day at the office as to be fair to them he's their best player now I think this year and his constant whinging at the Ref could be perceived as a weakness.
With gentlemen like Ricey, Gormley & even Dooher getting in his face a little I think we could see poor Star blowing his top and could see the red mist descend on the man with red hand blood. I think it could be all too much for him as he'll not have come up against this intensity before and he certainly didn't seem to like it v Cork.
I think the Ref needs to be strong and ever questioning of his decision should be punishable immediately with 20 yds.
I just hope he doesn't do what he did against Armagh 2 years ago when he responds with a great catch and goal but I think Justy could be tailor made for Donaghy with a few others helping him I think.
Can't see him starting but time will tell.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 09, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
Donaghy has not trained since the semi final and is a major doubt at the moment, hopefully he will come through. Paul Galvin game through training but was rusty at times but scored a few points, the referee at one stage dropped his whistle and Galvin the reformed man picked it up for him.
Seems the Kerry B team lined out in Tyrone Jerseys last night in a full match with the A team and Tomas O'Se was seen leaving Killarney with shreds of one of them hanging off him. The B team won by 5 points though.
Things are not looking good in the Kingdom.
My Yerra-detector just exploded.
Well lads I think we're all agreed that Kerry have vastly the more skillful players and should win this handily enough. However, maybe Tyrone have one chance in that Kerry this year have shown tendencies towards wanting to 'beat themselves'? Giving away big leads, lads getting themselves sent off stupidly, surrounding the referee in a Roy Keane/Man United type fashion? Is the 3-in-a-row hype too much pressure for this current crop or was the bad manners just a Cork/Kerry thing?
Maybe if Tyrone can somehow hang-on to the coat-tails of the great Kingdom for a considerable portion of the match, things are tight and the referee has the temerity to give Tyrone a few decisions, will we get to see how Maurice Deegan responds to the hair-dryer treatment from O'Sullivan/Donaghy et al?
Any other manager and perhaps you've had a point. But MH, Stevie, and the majority of the first team have been together from Minor right up through U21 to Senior, and have probably had to deal with more team trauma (Minor & Senior) than perhaps any other group of players in recent memory, and more than I'd wish on any team. MH and the team will know best, I'm absolutely sure of that.
Mid louth - Id like you to meet your arse. Maybe you can introduce him to your elbow, and from now on you might know the difference between the two
You want defintive answers about the collective thoughts of 31 players?
You have already assumed (and defended said assumption) on the other side of the arguement. Who is more right or wrong? I have followed this panel since I was only a cub myself, immersed in the PaulMcGirr tragedy, the 97 AIF loss, and the 98 victory. Many Tyrone fans who have followed this particular group from minor level in 1997 onwards, understand through the subsequent successes, tragedies, heartbreaks and trials - what their level of unity is. Its a different animal than that found elsewhere, and we pride ourselves on it.
You liken my impression to a Barney movie - perhaps your impression then stems from some equally ridiculous analogy on the other side - a team full of individuals all fighting for themselves, no cohesion or team ethos.
Maybe thats what you have in Louth, but (as other tyrone posters will testify) - we dont believe that to be what we have in Tyrone.
There is but one reported fact I can present to you, and it is that the players unequivocally wanted SON back onto the panel.
QuoteYou want defintive answers about the collective thoughts of 31 players?
You have already assumed (and defended said assumption) on the other side of the arguement. Who is more right or wrong? I have followed this panel since I was only a cub myself, immersed in the PaulMcGirr tragedy, the 97 AIF loss, and the 98 victory. Many Tyrone fans who have followed this particular group from minor level in 1997 onwards, understand through the subsequent successes, tragedies, heartbreaks and trials - what their level of unity is. Its a different animal than that found elsewhere, and we pride ourselves on it.
You liken my impression to a Barney movie - perhaps your impression then stems from some equally ridiculous analogy on the other side - a team full of individuals all fighting for themselves, no cohesion or team ethos.
Maybe thats what you have in Louth, but (as other tyrone posters will testify) - we dont believe that to be what we have in Tyrone.
There is but one reported fact I can present to you, and it is that the players unequivocally wanted SON back onto the panel.
Nobody, including you, know what
truly goes on in the minds of the Tyrone players. Players like Mulligan realize how quickly you can go from being the number 1 guy to being on the margins and he will realize how precious playing in an AI final is and how it is possible that this could be his last chance. Ditto for some of the other players who rank around 18-20.
Whether it will have a big factor to play in the final remains to be seen but this talk of a mythically unified squad with no dissenting voices is naive. Any player who is perfectly happy with seeing his chances of playing reduced greatly is a player that shouldnt be on the squad in the first place as he obviously doesn't have the hunger required.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 10, 2008, 09:11:32 PM
Nobody, including you, know what truly goes on in the minds of the Tyrone players. Players like Mulligan realize how quickly you can go from being the number 1 guy to being on the margins and he will realize how precious playing in an AI final is and how it is possible that this could be his last chance. Ditto for some of the other players who rank around 18-20.
Whether it will have a big factor to play in the final remains to be seen but this talk of a mythically unified squad with no dissenting voices is naive. Any player who is perfectly happy with seeing his chances of playing reduced greatly is a player that shouldnt be on the squad in the first place as he obviously doesn't have the hunger required.
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Now thats seems a bit strange. A Kerryman saying Tyrone players dont have the hunger. Have these two teams not met before in the recent past
Hands up Mike Sheehy - you are correct!
No denying, ommission from a team is a double edged sword - but when you are part of a team - you take your medicine. Otherwise you are as useless to the team as you or me are. If mulligan lost form, Mulgrew lost form, none of them can have any complaints. If mulligans chief worry is whether he plays in an AIF final again, it is useless to the team. Anyone can see that. If his chief concern is getting a third AIF title to Tyrone - he will be happy to do his managers bidding (while at the same time having some personal dissapointment). I'm pretty sure I already alluded to the fact that having a player on the team who wasn't personally disappointed not to play, is also no good for a team. There is a difference in dissapointment and dissent.
I guess thats the crux of management that neither you, nor I, nor mid louth can perfect - Man management.
Anyway lads enough about Tyrone, Kerry did well in the mid-field the last day with Cork having to bring out Cussen. I'd say them lads will be severely annoyed about Dara waltzing back into the team for the final? Strolling down the steps laughing the last day at the final whistle after his self-imposed rest, while the rest of the lads were out there busting themselves.
Galvin back onto the team, the supporters will give him a big roar but will whoever makes way feel the same?
QuoteShould have waited until next year, would he not have been concerned about upsetting the zen of the panel.
I bet Michey Harte never thought of that. You should apply for the job of sports psychologist for Louth the next time it comes up, or Armagh.
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Some very intersting stats there.
Hadnt realised that coppel had scored as much. I thought he had more from frees.
Another point that jumped out at me was Dublin and their three, 3 in a rows. Post 1923 they have only won 8 All irelands.
Also the last 5 times Kerry have met an Ulster side in an All Irleand final they have lost 4 of them. ( i realise 86' and tyrone before its pointed out)
Tyrone
Average For: 1-15; Average Against: 1-11.
Kerry
Average For: 1-16; Average Against: 1-12
On that basis not much to pick between them! Who'd bet against a 1-16 to 1-15 scoreline either way??
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 10, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
ALL-IRELAND FINAL DEFEATS
Tyrone: 1 (1986
We havent been in that many All-Ireland Senior Finals that we should be forgetting about them, remember 95 ;).
Didn't proof read it, not like Hoganstand to have a howler of one description or another, not half!
And taking the averages to one decimal place (and one of which was out by more than one):
Tyrone:
Average For: 1.0-15.6; Average Against: 1.0-11.0
Nett: 0-4.6
Kerrry:
Average For: 1.3-15.2; Average Against: 1.2-10.8
Nett: 0.1-4.4
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Yerra have we won that many? f*ck me.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 10, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
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Yerra have we won that many? f*ck me.
Looks like some sort of Kerry y-chromosome
I see Paddy Heaney is writing pieces from Kerry this week, lucky ba$tard I would love a week fannying about down there chatting about football.
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Weeshie tuned into the heart of Kingdom football obsession
Heaney in Kerry
By Paddy Heaney
09/09/08
Legendary Kerry GAA journalist and broadcaster – and former All-Ireland medallist – Weeshie Fogarty
IN THE KNOW: Legendary Kerry GAA journalist and broadcaster – and former All-Ireland medallist – Weeshie Fogarty (above) is the man with 'the knowledge' when it comes to all things football in the Kingdom. Picture: The Kerryman
By way of explaining to Weeshie Fogarty why I was going to spend a week in the Kingdom, I said to him: "There is a fascination with Kerry football in the north."
"There is a fascination with Kerry football in Kerry,'' came the prompt response from the other end of the line.
Weeshie (short for Aloysius) is my Kerry contact.
I first encountered him four years ago when I was a guest on his award-winning radio programme, Terrace Talk.
Broadcast by Radio Kerry every Tuesday night, Terrace Talk is essential listening for any man, woman or child in Kerry that professes an interest in football.
Weeshie also has a column in The Kerryman newspaper. Mike Sheehy also has a column in The Kerryman, but the thoughts of the eight-time All-Ireland medallist can be found on the inside pages.
Weeshie's column is on the back page – and for good reason.
Here are a few extracts from Weeshie's last column about the All-Ireland semi-final replay. The sight of David Moran (son of Ogie Moran) coming onto the pitch and taking a vital catch reminded Weeshie of the old adage that "an ounce of breeding is worth a ton of feeding."
And the manner in which Darren O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper linked to score the match-winning goal into the "railway end'' prompted Weeshie to recall how "two other Killarney townies, Tadghie Lyne and Johnny Culloty had combined to rescue Kerry with the equalising goal against Cavan at this very same goal in 1955. Kerry won the replay."
The 14-year-old Weeshie was at that game in Croke Park and he's missed very few since. He was a goalkeeper and played minor, U21 and senior football with Kerry. The reserve 'keeper to Johnny Culloty, he was on the Kerry squad that won the All-Ireland title in 1969. A
detached retina ruined his career.
Although he has now established himself as a much-loved broadcaster and journalist, Weeshie made a late entry to the media game. He spent 32 years working as a psychiatric nurse in St Finnan's Hospital in his native Killarney.
You get the sense that football was a much-needed outlet for Weeshie. Anyone who loves football should meet him at least once.
His eyes twinkle at the mention of former greats. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of games and players. He has played with and against the likes of Mick O'Connell and Mick O'Dwyer. He is a treasure trove of anecdotes.
When I met him yesterday morning in his native Killarney, he told me about his latest project. He is compiling a team of the 15 classiest footballers ever to wear the Kerry jersey.
The key criteria are skill, balance and technique. I rhymed off a few names. Maurice Fitzgerald, Mick O'Connell, Colm Cooper, Mike Sheehy. I could see Weeshie nodding his head in agreement.
Then I said: "Spillane, Pat Spillane." Fortunately, I quickly corrected myself. "No, he was probably more about speed than skill."
"That's right Pid-ay,'' said a clearly delighted Weeshie, who reacted like a enthusiastic school teacher.
Weeshie then confirmed some of the other names. Johnny Culloty was the goalie, John O'Keefe was the full-back, O'Connell and Shanie Walsh were at midfield. Tómas Ó Sé was at wing-back.
I raised my eyebrows when Weeshie mentioned Ó Sé's name. "Tómas Ó Sé has scored 3-20 in Championship football for Kerry," came the firm and authoritative response. I thought better than to argue with a man who knows the scoring total of a wing-back.
After we'd polished off some tea and scones, Weeshie took me on a tour of his town.
Our first stop was Jimmy O'Brien's pub. The fact that it's painted green and gold is the first sign that it might be a football pub. The walls inside are a museum of information. There is a framed copy of Luke Kelly's memory card. A photograph of Mick O'Connell in full flight. Signed hurling sticks. Uileann pipes. A framed copy of a column that Con Houlihan had written for The Kerryman about digging turf.
Jimmy, the elderly owner, was the occupant. He was seated with his back to a wall, sorting out club lotto tickets that he sells for the
Gneeveguilla club. Dr Croke's and Killarney Legion are the main clubs in Killarney, but Jimmy sells them for Ambrose O'Donovan who is one of his customers.
Tom Long, another All-Ireland medallist, is also a regular.
The next spot on the tour was Tatler Jack's. It's owned by Eddie O'Sullivan who was a selector to three different Kerry managers. His son is the vice-chairman of the Kerry county board, while his son-in-law is Pat O'Shea, the current manager of the senior football team.
Eddie was brushing the front step when we approached. Paul Galvin was the main topic. He was due to train with the seniors that night. As we talked, a young fella in a suit walked past.
"That's Pat Corridan,'' said Eddie to me, "He's on the Kerry panel."
I checked a programme. He was No.30 for the last game. Eddie must have recognised him by the back of his head.
From Tatler Jack's, we nipped down an alleyway which led us to an estate agent shop bearing the name of Tom Spillane, who just has the three All-Ireland medals.
"Colm Cooper doesn't live far from here either," noted Weeshie as we headed to meet Donie Sheehan, the selector who discovered 'the Bomber' Liston.
Donie had nipped out to his chemist shop, but Weeshie told the story: "Donie spotted 'the Bomber' at a trial match. He said 'the Bomber' was awful slow but he knew that O'Dwyer would be able to make a footballer out of him."
We finished our walk of the town back at Weeshie's house. He lives a short distance from the hospital where he worked, and the Kerry
Legion ground where he played.
Johnny Culloty, the man who kept him out of the Kerry team, and who captained the county to All-Ireland victory in 1969 lives four doors away.
The O'Shea family live next door to the Fogartys. "Four boys out of that house won All-Ireland medals with Dr Croke's in 1992," said the proud neighbour.
Weeshie's wife, Joan has just returned from a pilgrimage to Lourdes. She went with Johnny Culloty's wife.
"The Bishop wanted to know why you and Johnny weren't there,'' said Joan.
"Bishop Murphy would have loved the two of them there,'' said Joan before explaining that the religious leader is "a fierce man for the
football".
Before leaving, Weeshie arranged to pick me up later that evening as I was going to be a guest on his Terrace Talk show. It's the ultimate honour for any non-Kerry citizen.
In the meantime, Weeshie has to prepare a talk that he will give to the Kerryman's Association in Dublin tomorrow morning.
The topic is: "The Secret of Kerry Football."
Anyone who takes a dander around Killarney in the company of Weeshie Fogarty will find the secret staring them in the face.
There is no secret. It's called obsession.
Just thought I would put up this remarkable and tragic story. The timing is right. Puts into context this Tyrone's team story.
McGirr's Legacy Lives On © Copyright The Sunday Tribune Malachy Clerkin August 24th 2003 "I think it has been a real basis for the character of these lads that are now in the senior team. They've grown together. They did a lot of growing in a short space of time. And although it's human nature that people move on and get on with their own lives long after something happens, I think there's a lasting bond there. It's a hidden thing that nobody really talks about but certainly a number of the players are aware of it. There was an unwritten pact to say, 'Let's go forward from here and do the best we can. And maybe, just maybe out there, there's a Paul McGirr factor without anybody making a deal of it.'" Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte. THE traffic was a mess in Omagh that day, so bad that instead of getting the team bus to take them from lunch in Molly Sweeney's to Healy Park, the Tyrone minor team decided they'd be just as quick walking. Besides, it was no harm strolling through town as a group, red and white kit-bags slung over their shoulders, matching tracksuits letting the world know who they were. The town was black with people, each and every one there to see them and the senior team play Armagh. Walking the walk added to the occasion. They knew their opponents well. Cormac McAnallen was at St Patrick's College in Armagh and Fr Gerard McAleer, joint-manager alongside Mickey Harte, was about to enter his final year teaching at the same school. Earlier that year, Fr McAleer had been in charge of the St Pat's team that had been beaten in the final of the McRory Cup by St Patrick's Dungannon. The priest reckons that of the 30 boys who took the pitch in Omagh on 15 June 1997, he'd coached at least three-quarters of them at one stage or another. It turned out to be a disjointed, patternless dog of a game. Tyrone weren't the fluid attacking outfit they'd been billed as and had it not been for three beautiful second-half points from Kevin Hughes, their season would probably have been over before it had really begun. Steven McDonnell was lobbing over points from all angles for Armagh but was getting very little help. In the end, Tyrone's greater physical presence just about told. They won by 1-10 to 0-9, their goal coming after only 10 minutes when wing-forward Paul McGirr dived in front of Armagh goalkeeper Willie McSorley trying to get to a loose ball. The pair collided and although he got there momentarily ahead of McSorley, McGirr didn't rise to celebrate after the ball dribbled into the net. The Tyrone team doctor, Seamus Cassidy, attended to him on the pitch before calling for a stretcher. He was taken to Tyrone County Hospital. The word was that he'd cracked a few ribs. Required Reading 22
After watching the seniors grab a lucky win in the second match, the rest of the players walked back to Molly Sweeney's for their victory meal. The double done over Armagh, the sun high in the sky, it had been a fine day all round. Declan McCrossan was the team captain and he took it upon himself to hurry through his meal so he could go to the hospital to check in on McGirr. He, Stephen O'Neill and Aidie Ball always travelled together so the three of them headed off. There was no sense in everyone visiting at once – if Paul was going to be in for a few days, it'd probably be best to space out the visits. So most of the rest of the panel went home. "The traffic was really bad," McCrossan recalls. "So we took a few of the back roads to get to the hospital. We got in and the first thing we saw was a priest talking to these two men. We didn't know who they were or anything, we just wanted to find a nurse who could tell us where Paul was. But then we heard the priest say something like, 'Well he was a young lad who died doing something he loved. Playing football for his county and enjoying himself.' And we were just like, 'Holy *, hang on a minute here. What's after happening?'" What was after happening was that Paul's liver had ruptured in the collision. One of the main arteries connected to the organ had torn away and the bleeding had become impossible to control. Paul died just after six o'clock, still dressed in his Tyrone gear. • • • Paul McGirr was the youngest of Francis and Rita McGirr's six children. He'd started his footballing life with Errigal Ciaran in an under-12 team with the likes of Mark Harte and Cormac McGinley as teammates. Rita was a teacher in Garvaghy, Francis a farmer. He farmed bits and pieces of land around the area but when the chance came to move to bigger holding out in Dromore, he took it. Paul's older brother Mickey continued playing for Errigal but Paul transferred to Dromore. He was a quick-witted kid, never short of a one-liner or a comeback if the dressing-room started humming with banter. One of the few on the panel who wouldn't be underage again the following year, he was in the middle of a sports and leisure course at Fermanagh College. Beyond that, he was a Manchester United fan and had a photograph of himself and Alex Ferguson shaking hands at Old Trafford to prove it. He was outgoing and cheerful and if a party needed a little life and soul, he wouldn't be long stepping up to the plate. On the field, he was a classy forward. Not especially stocky or well-built, more angular and lean. He was tall enough for a minor and carried himself around the pitch gracefully. His natural game was stylish and elegant but he wasn't afraid to stick his head in among the flying boots if he had to. He lived to play for Tyrone. The night before the Armagh match, he bumped into Fr Tom Breen, the Dromore parish priest, the man who would say his funeral mass just four days later. Fr Breen told him to get home and get a good night's sleep. "Oh, I won't sleep," said Paul. "I'm too excited to sleep." • • • Required Reading 23
Mickey Harte arrived at the hospital just as McCrossan, O'Neill and Ball were coming out. They told him the news. He can remember the blood draining from his face and his first reaction being that of a father rather than a football manager. Paul had been wearing the number 12; his son Mark had been wearing 13. He has no idea how he'd have begun to cope in Francis and Rita McGirr's position. The funeral was the following Wednesday. Peter Canavan brought one of Paul's county jerseys up to the altar as an offertory gift. Various members of the panel carried the coffin a little of the way from St Dympna's Church to St Davog's graveyard. GAA people came from all over the country, including then president Joe McDonagh and former president Jack Boothman. The squad had been together on and off for most of the week, but they met up formally for the first time in the Glenavon House Hotel in Cookstown that Friday night. Harte and Fr McAleer brought in a psychologist, Dr Niall McCullough, to talk to the players. They broke up into small groups and talked the week's events away. The tragedy had had a devastating effect on them, even though some of them would only have met Paul for the first time that April when the squad had started training in earnest. Souls were bared, shoulders cried on. A group of young footballers left their testosterone and their egos at the door and quietly grieved together. Fr McAleer says it was the most traumatic time in his life, worse than the sudden death of his mother four years ago or even the Omagh bombing. It was the randomness of it all that shook him, the fact that a boy he'd coached had collided with a boy he'd taught and one of them hadn't got up again. Like he says, it wasn't as if Paul had been out wrecking cars or messing around in a pool in Spain. He was a kid playing football. Kids don't die playing football. They don't. "It was a horrible, sad time for everybody," says McAnallen. "But the bond that developed between us in those few days became really tight. Whenever we did eventually get around to thinking about the next match, players knew each other an awful lot better, for better or for worse. We came to trust each other and depend on each other." An important part of that night was Dr Cassidy's explanation of what had happened to their teammate. He assured them that Paul had died in a freak accident, that the chances of it happening had been minuscule, the chances of it happening again smaller still. Even so, Harte remembers that for a good while afterwards, his players treated injuries with much more apprehension than they had previously. That meeting set the antibodies to work and gradually, the wounds started to heal. When they met for training the following Monday, they got straight down to business. They had done their grieving, they had cried their tears. Now it was time to play football again. Harte and Fr McAleer were careful not to make the rest of their season a crusade for the memory of Paul McGirr. It would have been cheap emotional blackmail, nothing more. Instead, it was decided to retire the number 12 jersey for the rest of the year. On the morning of the next game, against Monaghan in Clones, McCrossan received a letter from Rita McGirr wishing him and the team all the best and thanking them for their support. They walked slowly out onto St Tiarnach's Park that day in single file, boys carrying grief like
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men. Still, life went on. They beat Monaghan 4-14 to 3-7. The newspaper said they suffered from some defensive lapses. Many will be familiar with the rest. They built up momentum, took Antrim in the Ulster final and got past Kerry after an epic replay in the All Ireland semi-final. Laois caught them in the headlights in the final, but the majority returned the following year to take Tyrone's first All Ireland minor title since 1973. Victory was sweet that day, but sweeter still was the under-21 title they lifted in 2000. This was the team Paul McGirr played on taking care of business they left unfinished the first time around. As they lined up for the photo that day, McCrossan felt someone tap his shoulder. He turned around to see Francis McGirr standing there. They shared a lengthy hug. Tyrone took another All Ireland under-21 title the following year and started spilling almost en masse onto the senior panel. Eight of the squad named for the game against Armagh that day in 1997 will be in the dressing room for this afternoon's semi-final against Kerry. Another four were on the panel but since the management had to name a squad of 24, they weren't given jerseys on the day. Twelve players from one minor panel is quite a harvest and Harte has always acknowledged the part coping with Paul McGirr's death played in the reaping. Fr McAleer believes strongly that the tragedy made them better people and taught them about character in times of crisis, character that brought them back from the brink against Kerry that year and against Down and Derry this. McAnallen says while his name is never mentioned, Paul's legacy is forever there. "When you look at things now and you look at the way things have snowballed because of the success of those years, it's true that the events surrounding Paul's death were one of the things that kick-started everything. There's a bond there that we'd feel would give us an advantage over other teams." A silver lining, then. Not that it could ever make up for the cloud.
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BanT - Thank you for posting that article. Successful teams, and passionate fans will always have their detractors, but no one can take anything away from these boys who have already lost so much, while gaining so much simultaneously. One of the chief contributors to that article, and to the thoughts of the time, is also no longer with them. In Mickey Harte's diary - he alluded to Cormac McAnallen (before he passed away) as being the unspoken leader of that group of young men. After Pauls death, and after the omagh bomb, when they would meet - all would want to be in Cormacs group.
It is a testament to everyone involved with that entire group, that the core has held together for so long. In a time when other counties are dealing with home made porno stars, team lock ins at the managers licensed premises, leaking of supposedly secret books for training, leaking of recorded half time manager speeches - we will take what we have in Tyrone every day of the week and whether we win, lose or fall on the 21st of September - it will be done as a team.
Had not looked back on that article for a while, don't mind saying that it brought more than one tear to my eye. Reminds me of why I'm so privileged to be heading home to watch this game with my family.
There were certainly times this year when many believed that the current golden era of Tyrone footbball was over. It appeared that the motivation the, togetherness had all disappeared, mediocrity was setting in. But whatever chemistry exists between these men is very special, their self pride, group belief, absolute committment and determination are outstanding attributes all which should stand them in great stead when they finally hang up their boots. The tragic sudden deaths of Paul and Cormac lives in the subconcious of each and every Tyrone person who experienced those times. Add in the tremendous unprecedented success of the period and you can not overestimate their importance amongst the players who knew them as friends and team mates. As has become tradition more than a few bedecked cars next saturday or Sunday will slow down outside Eglish Graveyard to view the spot where a Tyrone flag flys and our captain lies, and it sends us on our way. Many people may not have known Cormac beyond his games on the field, but we are all bonded together and reminded of the pain of his closest when it comes to Tyrone successes. This year would have been Cormacs third all ireland final. The one thing as Tyrone supporters we will always be up for the slagging up for the craic but many hearts were forever broke those days and as ALL Ireland days come closer we tend to think back and reflect, and remember the guys as they would want to be remembered, successful Tyrone footballers who played their part.
Tearful reading indeed. Hopefully such tragedies never befall this or any other team again.
Dia na thoiseach.
It has been confirmed that Sean Cavanagh will be fully fit to line-out for Tyrone in next Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC final against Kerry.
The Red Hands ace had to be assisted off the playing field at Croke Park in the second-half of Mickey Harte's men's semi-final win over Wexford last month, after suffering a reoccurrence of a back injury as well as dislocating some of his fingers, leaving him in doubt for his side's decider with the Kingdom on September 21.
"What was really disappointing is that I was enjoying the game so much and it was devastating that I had to come off. The first thing going through your mind is 'that's it, I am going to miss the final'.
"I could hardly walk at the time and I had dislocated a few fingers."
However, after being interviewed at a press conference in Carrickmore last night (Wednesday) the three-time All Star made it clear that the injuries were not going to keep him from completing a hat-trick of All-Ireland finals next weekend, having already won two.
"To be honest, it's going to take an awful lot more than that to keep me out of an All-Ireland final."
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Never a dull moment when drinking coffee with legends... Heaney in KerryBy Paddy Heaney
10/09/08
Arranging an interview with one of the all-time greats of Gaelic football couldn't have been much easier.
Icons of the game don't come much bigger than Mick O'Connell, yet getting in contact with him was a doddle. His telephone number was in the local phonebook. No ex-directory requests for this prince of footballers. It's there in black and white: O'Connell Mick, Glenleam, Valentia Island.
Two calls did the trick. When I rang, as requested, at 9am yesterday morning, he agreed to meet me in Cahirciveen at 10.30am.
Mick supplied the venue and the directions. He would be in a café in the Cahirciveen Shopping Centre. The title of shopping centre is somewhat misleading, as it constitutes a Eurospar, a clothes shop, a hairdressers and the café.
Unlike his playing days, when he had to row to the mainland, Mick can now make the 15-mile journey by car. When I entered the café, he was already seated – the matinee idol of the radio age, the man who set the standard for all midfielders.
Captain of the All-Ireland-winning side in 1959, he was the Texaco Footballer of the Year when they won again in 1962. Ten years later, at the tender age of 34, he was selected as an Allstar when he won his fourth All-Ireland medal. He was on the Team of the Century (picked to mark the GAA's 100th anniversary) in 1984 and the Team of the Millennium.
It's 50 years since Mick O'Connell made his debut in Croke Park, against Derry in the All-Ireland semi-final of 1958, yet the 70-year-old is in remarkably good health.
At the peak of his powers, he stood six feet tall and weighed 13-and-a-half-stones. He has gained a pound in weight since he hung up the boots.
I had been forewarned that 'Micko' could be a handful to interview. It was good advice.
When the tape started rolling he came out all guns blazing. He's not a fan of the modern game, which he described as "basketball on grass".
There's too much hand-passing, too much negativity. He can't tolerate obstruction and third man tackling.
"When I was playing I loved to get a run up. Nowadays a man would stand in front of you and block your run and he'd get away with it," he fumed.
Mick pointed to Darragh Ó Sé as one of the few
midfielders who upholds the tradition of high catching. He also believes that the absence of players like Ó Sé from other county teams is an indictment on the current state of Gaelic football.
"There are county teams with midfielders who can't catch the ball or certainly never attempt to catch the ball. What does that say to you about the game?"
But those who have read the various interviews that O'Connell has given down through the years will realise that this is all familiar ground.
I wanted to know was there anything about the current game that he likes. Does he still attend big matches?
It turns out that he still goes to Croke Park, but not for any selfish interest.
His 31-year-old son, Diarmuid, who has Down's syndrome, is "fanatical" about Kerry.
"He is the joy of my life,'' says Micko. Father and son take a day to travel to Dublin, a day to watch the game, and a day to return.
Diarmuid is also a rabid Arsenal fan, and therefore, so is Mick. "I got into following them through Diarmuid," he explained, "They play great football, but they don't have enough money to compete with Man United and Chelsea."
Pure football and sportsmanship are constant themes with Mick O'Connell. When he attended an English league game featuring Sheffield Wednesday in the 1960s, he was hugely impressed by the way both sets of supporters applauded good play.
"The supporters mingled together as well, but that has all gone now,'' he sighed.
The Kerry legend clearly loves his sport. The man that rowed from Valentia Island now has Sky TV. The previous night he started to watch the final of the US Tennis Open but went to bed because it was on too late. (He rises at seven o'clock).
Before the tennis, he watched some American
Football although he's not a huge fan of the game. He also claimed "a good, pure game of rugby stirs me more now than a Gaelic football match".
Readers should take that last comment with a pinch of salt. He still watches a fair bit of the game in which he excelled.
When asked if there were any footballers outside Kerry that he particularly admires, he named two.
The first was Galway's Michael Meehan. "Now he is a good footballer. He played Kerry on his own. He can kick with both feet and he can also kick off the ground."
The second man mentioned was Tyrone's Stephen O'Neill -– and he wasn't being
mischievous.
Again, the ability to kick effortlessly with both feet was considered the trademark of a class act.
At this point during the interview, another man entered the café. It was Ned Fitzgerald. Mick O'Connell and Ned Fitzgerald are good friends. Ned was Mick's best man. I later discover that they meet every morning of the week.
Ned is 73-years-old. He has a strong, squat build and a square head covered by a huge clump of grey hair.
"This is another Kerry captain,'' says Mick.
"Yes, I captained them when we lost to
Waterford,'' said Ned with a chuckle.
Ned takes orders for tea and coffee and
refuses to allow The Irish News accounts
department to pay for it. He asks Mick if he would like a croissant. This provokes wide grins from both men. The tea arrives shortly afterwards with a plate of buttered toast. The Kerry captains dig in.
Ned has sallow skin and brown, brooding eyes. The family resemblance is obvious and by way of the conversation, I soon establish that he's the father of another Kerry legend, Maurice Fitzgerald.
But Ned is no giant and Maurice Fitzgerald is six foot two. Ned informs me that Maurice "got his mother's legs".
And so the fun begins. Ned has absolutely no interest in talking about his own playing career.
After a few verses of song, and a smattering of poetry, he tells me about his exploits as a kicking coach. He had two excellent pupils
– Mick O'Connell and his son, Maurice.
He went to Australia with Maurice for a
competition that featured the best kickers from various sports and various countries and they came home with a cheque for Aus $10,000.
He also went to America and acted as
mentor to his friend, Mick, who had been
pitted against Roy Gurelo, the kicker for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The competition took place during the interval of a Gaelic football match in the States. Both Gurelo and O'Connell had to take kicks with an oval ball and a round ball. Micko won.
As Ned regaled me with tales, out of the
corner of my eye I see Mick O'Connell
blessing himself when he finishes his toast. These men are old school.
They are also two seriously tough Kerry hombres. Ned had not been well recently, but he still swims in the broad Atlantic Ocean every day of the year.
Not surprisingly, these men take a dim view of the GPA's complaints about the hardship of the modern day players.
"I can't understand these men who talk about sacrifice,'' says Mick. "I loved playing football. And when I played football it didn't cost me anything. I got my passage paid anywhere I went. I only had to pay for my boots. If anyone thinks it's a sacrifice to play football then they should quit."
Ned keeps his counsel, but he doesn't
disagree. As his friend gives vent on another topic, Ned takes out his mobile phone and makes a call.
A few minutes later, Maurice Fitzgerald
enters the café and pulls up a seat. The table now features a former Kerry captain whose best friend and son are former Footballers of the Year? and me.
Maurice allowed his elders to take centre stage. It's hectic stuff. All topics are up for
discussion. We eventually come to the
All-Ireland final. Micko wants Kerry to win, but not at any cost: "I would hate to see a
repeat of what happened in the closing stages of the 2005 final,'' he said.
"Kerry were trying to get the ball down the field when a Tyrone player made a blatant foul. He just dragged a Kerry man down. There was no attempt to tackle him. He just wanted to stop the play."
Once again, Micko's distaste for gamesmanship has risen to the surface: "I am not just talking about Tyrone. I know Kerry could do the same thing and I'd hate any team to play that way. If you're not going to do something properly then you shouldn't do it all."
Micko's serious demeanour doesn't last long when his son, Diarmuid comes into the café.
Diarmuid lives in a home on Valentia Island with other Down's syndrome children. It's called Tíg An Oilean. Mick O'Connell donated the land for the building (estimated by Maurice Fitzgerald, an estate agent, to be worth about E1m) and devotes a good deal of his time fundraising for it.
Diarmuid is with his friend Alan and a
member of staff from Tíg an Oilean. The
already raucous atmosphere in the cafe rises to another peak when Diarmuid stands at the table and is posed a series of rapid-fire questions.
Ned asks: "What year did Mick O'Connell captain Kerry?" "1959"
A roar of approval.
Ned asks a second question, a trickier one. "What's my car's registration plate number?"
There's another cheer when the correct
answer is promptly delivered.
Maurice asks: "What was the score in the hurling final?"
"Kilkenny 3-30 Waterford 1-13."
Another cheer and Diarmuid beams with
delight.
His father then asks him: "What will the score be in the football final?"
"6-16 to 3-10," says Diarmuid. Then, after a considerable pause: "To Kerry."
And then – bedlam.
Irish News
He may be a legend but O'Connell comes across a little bitter.
Super Dooher saves Sam from the Kingdom of Evil !!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Brian_Dooher_-_SFC_2005_-_c.c_3.0.jpg)
enjoyable article o neill, today's is good with the bomber! Very emotional article on Paul mc girr, still so hard to beleive that even more tragedy was waitin for this panel when we lost cormac, it's easy to see why SoN was accepted back, these 30-33 men have experienced so much joy and equal amounts of loss to realise that a man like stevie is not coming back for the glory and to add another medal to his collection, he's back to provide whatever help he can in the pursuit of TYRONES third title and I for one wish them all the best!
An early prediction of the AI 2008......... !!!
dooher is quite possibly the ugliest man in gaa
WTF IS WITH ALL THE f**king THREADS FOR THE AIF?
jaysus all the complaints on the non-gaa section the mods are needed over her!!
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 11, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
WTF IS WITH ALL THE f**king THREADS FOR THE AIF?
jaysus all the complaints on the non-gaa section the mods are needed over her!!
Who's her?
Regarding that banner erected in Omagh bearing the title of Superdooher, does anyone else find the reference to Kerry as "the evil Kingdom" on it, gratuitously offensive, or is Dooher's image on it, just offensive enough?
is "her" the cat's mother ??
Obviously too many free periods on the new timetables ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 11, 2008, 11:47:04 AM
Regarding that banner erected in Omagh bearing the title of Superdooher, does anyone else find the reference to Kerry as "the evil Kingdom" on it, gratuitously offensive, or is Dooher's image on it, just offensive enough?
No ! Actually I find it completely and utterly amusing !! those with no sense of humor will always find something to grumble, moan and complain about.... !!
;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2008, 10:57:07 AM
He may be a legend but O'Connell comes across a little bitter.
He's dead right. Ye Nordies have destroyed the game as a spectacle.
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
dooher is quite possibly the ugliest man in gaa
He looks a bit like Michael Stipe from REM ?!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2008, 11:50:34 AM
He's dead right. Ye Nordies have destroyed the game as a spectacle.
Yeah, you're right. The game against Dublin was awful.
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
dooher is quite possibly the ugliest man in gaa
Surely that accolade has to go colm cooper??? No???
Although Downgirl probably fancies him!
I doubt many Dubs enjoyed it!
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 11, 2008, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
dooher is quite possibly the ugliest man in gaa
He looks a bit like Michael Stipe from REM ?!
Jeese hes ugly but he doesnt look like Stipe. Is he not dying of aids ( and im not laughin at people with aids).
Whats the whole evil kerry thing about?!!
Its a massive Banner which is over a shop front in Omagh with Super Dooher etc etc etc ! just a catchy phrase they have used... wonder has Kerry got anything similar down there??
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 11, 2008, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
dooher is quite possibly the ugliest man in gaa
He looks a bit like Michael Stipe from REM ?!
Jeese hes ugly but he doesnt look like Stipe. Is he not dying of aids ( and im not laughin at people with aids).
Whats the whole evil kerry thing about?!!
(http://lineout.thestranger.com/files/2007/05/michael%20stipe.jpg) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39543000/jpg/_39543334_pgunknown1.jpg)
See the similarities ?? !!
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 12:00:44 PM
Whats the whole evil kerry thing about?!!
A banner over the new Sally's in Omagh. A cartoon Dooher dressed as Superman with the tag
"Superdooher and the Tyrone men to save Sam from the Evil Kingdom"
Quote from: ziggysego on September 11, 2008, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: toiletroller on September 11, 2008, 12:00:44 PM
Whats the whole evil kerry thing about?!!
A banner over the new Sally's in Omagh. A cartoon Dooher dressed as Superman with the tag
"Superdooher and the Tyrone men to save Sam from the Evil Kingdom"
(http://file046a.bebo.com/11/large/2008/09/10/09/3818633221a8850471059l.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2008, 11:58:27 AM
I doubt many Dubs enjoyed it!
The rest of the country did.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 11, 2008, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2008, 11:50:34 AM
He's dead right. Ye Nordies have destroyed the game as a spectacle.
Yeah, you're right. The game against Dublin was awful.
You're right Ziggy - it was just awful ! ;D ;D
Not exactly one to be remembered forever and a day. A Poor follow-up to Goochbusters. If it were a banner on AIF day I doubt if the camera-man would even pick it up.
Has anyone seem some of the banners which people continually take to the matches?? Theres that one from Armagh - Drumcree Orange men on Parade. Also, whats the craic with the continual quotes from the bible on the white placards?? eg John 1:12 or whatever it is???!!
John 3:7
John 3:7 - What's it all about?
19th August 2005
You may have seen this big Banner at many of the big matches on T.V. and wondered what it is, who would bring this to a game and why?
The man who brings the banner to the matches is called "John" by the supporters. His real name is Frank Hogan, and he lives in Limerick.
Frank was born in Borrisokane, Co. Tipperary. When he was just a few months old the family moved to Limerick. As a youngster Frank played hurling with the school teams, and at an early age developed a great love for Gaelic games. His love for our national games often brought him to Thurles, the birthplace of the G. A. A., where he witnessed many memorable encounters in Semple Stadium.
The first time he displayed the John 3: 7 Banner Frank was at a hurling match in Croke Park, Dublin.
For over twenty years he has carried the Banner on trains, buses, and in cars as he travelled the length and breadth of Ireland to hurling and football matches. He is recognised and respected in Gaelic grounds all over the country.
Many people have wondered why Frank displays the John 3:7 Banner.
He does it because of a life-changing event he experienced some years ago.
Frank's parents had six children. Like his three brothers and two sisters, Frank was baptised and confirmed. The family attended church regularly. But one day Frank was confronted with the fact that because of his sin he was separated from God. He discovered that church membership or sacraments could not reconcile him to God and save his soul.
Then on 28 September 1976 he discovered that the Lord Jesus Christ had died on the cross as his substitute, and by doing this had paid the penalty for his sins. At 11 p.m., in the front room of his home, Frank repented of his sins and asked the Lord to forgive him. He put his faith (trust) in Christ, believing that Jesus had purchased a Pardon for his sins through His sufferings and death on the cross. This Pardon was put to Frank's account when, on that memorable evening, he invited Christ into his life as Saviour and Lord.
Frank was Born Again, and received the assurance of eternal life, and now experiences the life-transforming Grace of God in his life day by day.
God did something wonderful for Frank, and this is what motivates him to display the John 3:7 Banner. He wants men and women to experience the forgiveness and grace of God that has meant so much to him.
What is John 3:7? It is a verse from the Bible!
It reads, "Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again".
The Bible is God's Word and is therefore the highest authority on earth. We must listen to what God says and obey Him always. God is saying that just as you began to live physically on the day that you were born, you must be born anew spiritually in order to have a relationship with Him. Without this you are separated from God forever.
God wants to have a living and eternal relationship with you. That is why He has given these clear instructions: "You must be born again".
Some other counties are very quick to "Tar us" Tyronies with the same Negative, defensive qualities that came from Armagh
Armagh based their great years around being defensively strong with 2/3 scoring machines.
For years Tyrone played much more FREE PURE style football with little in the idea of tactics on how to win ugly.
So the more physical teams like the Meaths, Armaghs, Derry and Dublin would have not let us play our sexy football and so we often faltered on the big stage.
But if you look at the Tyrone scorelines of ALL matches since 2003 and do you see many games where we have scored less than 10 points.
I must say this year I thought we would suffer getting scores but we're putting up some great
Yes Spillane labelled us with Puke football in 2003 cos we hammered his beloved team with swarm tackling but to be honest we just copied Armagh from the year before and maybe upped the intensity and speed a notch more.
Tyrone had to win their first AI beating Armagh at their own game but you will notice than when they play non Ulster teams they are much more throw caution to the wind. Especially when they have a fully fit squad like this year and not ravaged by injuries like the last few years
I'm not naive though and of course we've had our fair share of controversy such as that late tackle on Gooch or Riceys 2 knees into the Armagh lad.
Has anyone else noticed how the discipline of the Tyrone players now has improved with no whinging at the Ref but just throw the ball down and run on.
I hope that continues for the final
I've noticed that the discipline within the team has improved too fuzzman. I never liked that in players and pleased to see it appears to be a thing of the past within the Tyrone camp.
the result
""When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evil Doohers"
and puke football
"For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evil Doohers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet"
Orangeman - where did you hear the story about that John thing?? is that for real ??? I always wondered what the story was behind that !!
Quote from: filthylittlebeast on September 11, 2008, 02:45:32 PM
Orangeman - where did you hear the story about that John thing?? is that for real ??? I always wondered what the story was behind that !!
Yeah, it's true enough from what I've been told.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 11, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
Some other counties are very quick to "Tar us" Tyronies with the same Negative, defensive qualities that came from Armagh
Armagh based their great years around being defensively strong with 2/3 scoring machines.
So 2 or 3 players surrounding a player in possession is not negative?? Bar Armagh ye are probably the most negative and the most cynical team out there
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 03:29:11 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 11, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
Some other counties are very quick to "Tar us" Tyronies with the same Negative, defensive qualities that came from Armagh
Armagh based their great years around being defensively strong with 2/3 scoring machines.
So 2 or 3 players surrounding a player in possession is not negative?? Bar Armagh ye are probably the most negative and the most cynical team out there
Cynical but good ! ;)
I know I shouldn't bother asking but why do you say that H.o.T?
Do you not think it requires great discipline, hard work, fitness, organisation to surround a man but not foul him.
We defend as a team and attack as a team and if you think scores of 23 points in our last few matches is negative you're just either blind or jealous.
What other real evidence do you have of that this year?
What, Dooher getting punched in the gut and DIVING to the ground like a sack of spuds. Lets not go back to that one. You don't see half the hits Dooher gets in a game.
What else?
How many yellow or red cards have we got this year?
How many times have we cynically taken players out of it?
How often have we surrounded the Ref crying for frees?
Would you say Kerry are LESS cynical than Tyrone this year?
Do you take exception to the way Cavanagh runs across the patch of the man about to catch up with him who then clips his heels and then call him a diver?
What specific incidents are you referring to for this season?
Like I said I know we're not complete angels and it does annoy me too that there is the odd bit of gamesmanship but I think you're being a bit BLIND if you're saying that doesn't go on everywhere for the past 50 years.
Anyways what county are you from HOT?
Pass the grapes HOT.
The stars are moving into alignment!!
In 1916 the Aud was scuttled off the Kerry Coast.
In 2005 Tyrone beat Kerry 19-16
In September 2008 the Asgard sinks and with it Kerry's hope of 3 in a row will be scuttled by Admiral Harte and Captain Dooher!!
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Finally to answer your final question , I am from Ros.
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Finally to answer your final question , I am from Ros.
How
should gaelic football be played?
Quote from: Uladh on September 11, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
How should gaelic football be played?
Sure he told you he's from Ros, he doesn't know ;)
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Finally to answer your final question , I am from Ros.
Maybe you guys in Ros should try the "cynical" stuff and yous might have a bit of success, come to think of it, it would hardly matter what yous tried, yous would still be one of the shittiest teams about
Lads I am a proud Rossie, I realise we are a extremely poor team at the moment but everyone no matter what county they are from is entitled to an opinion. Look back at your history and you may realise Tyrone had alot bad days too. Dont be afraid to take a bit of criticism. Alot of people do not like the way Tyrone play - deal with it.
I've seen cynical Ros play as well, always trying to snooker the man instead of taking the pot on.
Group Hug :D :D :D
Feeling lonely Onion?
You didn't answer the question Heineken
alright who was moving all the posts about on the board??!!
Well Fuzzman fair paly you can see the bigger picture ;) as a neutral I think Tyrone will win. I just can't see Kerry living with yer style of play. Whether I like it or not it is highly effective. I dont know what will happen on the day but I hope its a good one. I doubt I'll live to see our lads in one so best of luck to ye.
In saying that I would for the first time ever like to see Kerry winning it. But I'll go out for a few pints either way!
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 11, 2008, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Finally to answer your final question , I am from Ros.
Maybe you guys in Ros should try the "cynical" stuff and yous might have a bit of success, come to think of it, it would hardly matter what yous tried, yous would still be one of the shittiest teams about
Ah, the unseemly snobbery of the nouveau riche.
IIn the name of cynicism how can any sane individual choose Kerry:
Galvin / hate the ref
Star and his 2 finger salute
Gooch and his big league game red cards
O Se and his off the ballers
Theres only one football team in this final and it aint kerry
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2008, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 11, 2008, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Finally to answer your final question , I am from Ros.
Maybe you guys in Ros should try the "cynical" stuff and yous might have a bit of success, come to think of it, it would hardly matter what yous tried, yous would still be one of the shittiest teams about
Ah, the unseemly snobbery of the nouveau riche.
only winding jinxy, trying to get the thing going
anyone see BBC newsline there now? Ricey was chattin bout SON said "I tried to get a skelp at him at training last nite, but he turned me inside out an left me on my ass then put the ball over the bar to boot!" You can Always count on a Dromore man for an eloquante spake ha ha
QuoteIts a massive Banner which is over a shop front in Omagh with Super Dooher etc etc etc ! just a catchy phrase they have used... wonder has Kerry got anything similar down there??
Nothing Similar but this is what we hope to see plenty of in the next few weeks.
(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00159/galvin_159398t.jpg)
Quote"I tried to get a skelp at him at training last nite, but he turned me inside out an left me on my ass then put the ball over the bar to boot!"
Well if O'Neill can do it Gooch can do it :P
Why all the recent talk from Tyrone of how much O'Neill is flying in training, if it was the case they would be keeping it quite, there is a smoke screen going here me thinks. Surely the best place to ambush and surprise the Kerrymen with a flying O'Neill would be in Croker on Sunday week without every media interview hinting at the same. Maybe the Tyrone people are really nice and like to tell us all their plans.
However you won't hear anyone in the Kerry camp saying "well the Gooch is flying in training" , "he turned me inside out an left me on my ass then put the ball over the bar to boot!" If he or everyonme else wasn't fecking doing this in training a week before an All Ireland final I'd be very worried indeed.
Hopefully if O'Neill is fit we will see him at some stage in the final , a player of his natural ability is a joy to watch even if we have suffered by him twice.
It's a double bluff Kerry Mike.... or is that a treble bluff ;)
oh right I have you now.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 11, 2008, 07:34:29 PM
Why all the recent talk from Tyrone of how much O'Neill is flying in training, if it was the case they would be keeping it quite, there is a smoke screen going here me thinks. Surely the best place to ambush and surprise the Kerrymen with a flying O'Neill would be in Croker on Sunday week without every media interview hinting at the same. Maybe the Tyrone people are really nice and like to tell us all their plans.
However you won't hear anyone in the Kerry camp saying "well the Gooch is flying in training" , "he turned me inside out an left me on my ass then put the ball over the bar to boot!" If he or everyonme else wasn't fecking doing this in training a week before an All Ireland final I'd be very worried indeed.
Hopefully if O'Neill is fit we will see him at some stage in the final , a player of his natural ability is a joy to watch even if we have suffered by him twice.
Mike any stories from the Kerry camp about this schkelping (spell) that does be going on at vital times? Surely a bit of it this next week or so is on the cards?
What is this 'schkelping' anyway, sounds like some kind of Hebrew circumcision ceremony?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
right!
Grabbing a man with two hands pulling him down and landing on top of him, OK so I've never played rugby. So now that we've cleared up that it was not a rugby tackle, what of the timing? Do you think it was accidental that he 'badly tackled' his man in midfield with his team ahead with two minutes to go? Please tell me it was total accident and that the golden years were unsullied by such gamesmanship, after all we all know that it was the 'Nordies' who brought such actions to Croke Park. Please help restore my faith in football?
Don't mind him Puck, he must lead a very empty life, we should pray for him really.
(Beardie) Bomber Liston, in an interview with Paddy Heaney in today's Irish News, reckons that:
"Beating Tyrone in a final is huge from our point of view. There is no talk about a three in-a-row. It is just about beating Tyrone and getting this one. The players feel that it would diminish their other two if they don't beat Tyrone."
In other words, if Kerry don't beat Tyrone on Sunday week the players themselves will view the 2006 & 2007 All-Irelands as soft! (And possibly 2004 too!)
No pressure, eh? ;)
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:13:18 PM
A lot of people do not like the way Tyrone play - deal with it.
Is it fair to say,
hot, that you don't have much time for the Kilkenny hurlers and their method of playing as a spectacle either?
And sláinte
Baile an tuaigh, fair dues.
Where did Louth go? I'm having a Golden-Years faith crisis and he deserts me? FFS!
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on September 11, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
First of all , Why would I be jealous - I applaud the fact that ye have won two AI's in recent years. Indeed I roared ye on in both AI's but the fact is I dont like the brand of football ye play and I think it is ok to say that.
What evidence do I have - well to be honest I dont keep notes but as an avid follower of football surely i am entitled to my opinion. I dont like the way Armagh and Tyrone have developed the game over the years but fair play it was effective. What I dont like is the swarm defence and what that brings to the game. it is moving away from the way Gaelic should be played IMO. And Fuzzman I agree, Kerry are no street angels but I prefer the way they play the game.
Youre fully entitled to your opinion but surely you arent suggesting Tyrone and Armagh play the same style? Thats just a lazy cliche, the only real similarity is pulling men back behind the ball at times but other than that the styles are very different. That style of defending is hardly unique to either county anyway, our opponents on the 21st are no strangers to it either.
If you want to have a go at Tyrone bringing men back to defend then fine but what about the blanket attack? Im astonished any fan of Gaelic Football could watch Tyrone matches like the 2003 Ulster Final, the two 2004 league semi's, the 2005 quarters, semi's and final, the Donegal and Monaghan matches last summer and the recent Dublin and Wexford matches and say that Tyrone arent good to watch :o.
The labelling of 'swarm defence' is completely misunderstanding the development of athleticism and the natural progression of most sports. Tyrone can 'swarm defence' and 'swarm attack' as can Kerry and most top sides. That's because their athleticism allows them to do so coupled with being excellent footballers.
On a side note, fecking credit crunch. Had the option of buying a table/seat for a very resonable price at the CityWest. She'd murder me.
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2008, 10:01:06 PM
The labelling of 'swarm defence' is completely misunderstanding the development of athleticism and the natural progression of most sports.
Indeed ONeill, it's another lazy cliché at this stage (as
Lamh Dearg Alba rightly says) -- if Kilkenny surrounding the Waterford attacker with 3, 4 or 5 defenders every time they got the ball in their last third last Sunday isn't blanket defending then Mike Sheehy's an unreconstructed Taliban of a Tyrone man. Defending like a team, attacking like a team, and that's what we've rediscovered big-time. It ain't easy though, and only to the jaundiced eye will it appear as a negative thing.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 11, 2008, 04:00:27 PM
The stars are moving into alignment!!
In 1916 the Aud was scuttled off the Kerry Coast.
In 2005 Tyrone beat Kerry 19-16
In September 2008 the Asgard sinks and with it Kerry's hope of 3 in a row will be scuttled by Admiral Harte and Captain Dooher!!
OTB I don't know whether it makes it creepier on not but the Aud was scuttled in Cork Harbour. In 2008 we were holed in Cork but got it refloated in Croke Park.
1908, 100 years ago, Dublin completed the three-in-a-row by beating London (our closest neighbours over the Sperrins) having beaten Cork in the final the previous year. I'm not going now.
One thing can be absolutely gauranteed in this match, particularly given the Referee, it will not end 15 a side. I fear that the ref. could spoil this game with his ponderous, pedantic, over fussy style. A very bad appointment to take charge of a potential classic game between two superb highly competitive teams. A lot of common sense will be required and our Maurice is short on that commodity
Not familiar with the ref Pangurban. Is he someone to be worried about?
From: http://www.kerryman.ie/news/kerryrsquos-prodigal-son-returns-1473874.html
I sure all Paul's fans will appreciate this. Divine.
LIKE the prodigal son, Paul Galvin has returned and all is forgiven, not that he ever really sinned in the first place.
Monday night's Kerry team training session in Killarney was a scene to behold; priests, All-Ireland medal holders and teenage girls joined in communal welcome for the Finuge man whose return has provided fuel injection to this well-oiled Kerry machine.
Between the two of them, Killarney publican Jimmy O'Brien and Fr Liam Brosnan have watched Kerry training sessions for over a century, from Dr Eamon's era through to the present day.
"I never saw anything like it in my time, and I'm around a long time," said Jimmy. "He has brought a new dimension again. He's flying".
Few county championship matches could boast such an atmosphere. And when Galvin floated the first ball over the bar, nobody was left in any doubt but that the prodigal son meant business.
For the thousand or so dedicated fans who went to Fitzgerald Stadium on Monday night it was as if the ill wind that has blown in the face of Kerry football all summer has finally changed direction — and just in the nick of time as the current squad prepare to become one of he greatest gaelic football teams of modern times.
Fr Liam Brosnan saw his first training session in 1946, the All- Ireland now known as the Harvest Final. Sixty-two years later, the Killarney priest still casts an eye over Kerry teams in their quest for All-Ireland glory. Over the years, he has collected about 150 signed photographs of All-Ireland winners.
Monday night, Paul Galvin was added to the collection.
With a blessing and a clap on the back, Paul Galvin and Fr Brosnan parted ways. They will meet again, God willing, on the Hogan Stand, Sunday week, shortly after five o'clock, Sam in hand.
That's great Frank, but didn't KM say earlier that Kerry would never disclose how Kerry players are performing in training before an All-Ireland Final... especially one that is returning after a prolonged absent?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 11, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
That's great Frank, but didn't KM say earlier that Kerry would never disclose how Kerry players are performing in training before an All-Ireland Final... especially one that is returning after a prolonged absent?
Who says we are????????????????????????? Mind you there's over a thousand witnesses to keep quiet.
Thanks for that Frank, now the spotlight is truly off our Stevie: Galvin's on Fire! ;)
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 11, 2008, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 11, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
That's great Frank, but didn't KM say earlier that Kerry would never disclose how Kerry players are performing in training before an All-Ireland Final... especially one that is returning after a prolonged absent?
Who says we are????????????????????????? Mind you there's over a thousand witnesses to keep quiet.
You just said it a moment ago. Honestly Frank, getting worried about you in your old age.
Smoking and rearing to get to the big smoke to make some red hands redder. In fact all our panel are smoking.
Now if we could keep the divils off the fags till the twenty second and away from the drink until half time
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 11, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
Now if we could keep the divils off the fags till the twenty second and away from the drink until half time
There's always hope Frank, where's your ticket for?
The clergy down there need to take a good look at themselves, blessing a boy like thon.
Quote from: Pangurban on September 11, 2008, 11:08:18 PM
One thing can be absolutely gauranteed in this match, particularly given the Referee, it will not end 15 a side. I fear that the ref. could spoil this game with his ponderous, pedantic, over fussy style. A very bad appointment to take charge of a potential classic game between two superb highly competitive teams. A lot of common sense will be required and our Maurice is short on that commodity
I thought he was grand in the Kerry Monaghan game, must take another look at it.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 11, 2008, 07:34:29 PM
Why all the recent talk from Tyrone of how much O'Neill is flying in training, if it was the case they would be keeping it quite, there is a smoke screen going here me thinks. Surely the best place to ambush and surprise the Kerrymen with a flying O'Neill would be in Croker on Sunday week without every media interview hinting at the same. Maybe the Tyrone people are really nice and like to tell us all their plans.
However you won't hear anyone in the Kerry camp saying "well the Gooch is flying in training" , "he turned me inside out an left me on my ass then put the ball over the bar to boot!" If he or everyonme else wasn't fecking doing this in training a week before an All Ireland final I'd be very worried indeed.
Hopefully if O'Neill is fit we will see him at some stage in the final , a player of his natural ability is a joy to watch even if we have suffered by him twice.
KM seems like this Killarney publican is losing it, giving far too much away!
"I never saw anything like it in my time, and I'm around a long time," said Jimmy. "He has brought a new dimension again. He's flying".
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He'll have to start!
Seriously I think he will.
Quote from: Pangurban on September 11, 2008, 11:08:18 PM
One thing can be absolutely gauranteed in this match, particularly given the Referee, it will not end 15 a side. I fear that the ref. could spoil this game with his ponderous, pedantic, over fussy style. A very bad appointment to take charge of a potential classic game between two superb highly competitive teams. A lot of common sense will be required and our Maurice is short on that commodity
Don't agree necessarily
Pangurban. Have you an example where he destroyed an otherwise (potentially) attactive game? Not trying to be smart, but I really don't think you're on the money here -- I know he's something of a disciplinarian, but so do the players, usually.
Didn't Deegan ref Tyrone and Down on that rotten wet day in Healy Park in 05?
Anyone hear any of the new Tyrone songs? If so which is best. I also notice alot of chat shows coming up over the next week. We have one ourselves on Monday night with a special apperance from Mickey Harte.
Interesting article in the Sindo from the 7th:
Tiring Kerry look vulnerable
Already this final has the feel of a cliffhanger about it, writes Tommy Conlon
We wonder if the GAA thought carefully enough about the probable temperature of the All-Ireland football final before making their decision as to who would referee it.
This game is likely to be volatile: Kerry and Tyrone have mutual history, neither side will back down, there are combustible characters on both sides. There may well be flashpoints and controversies.
And given, in particular, Kerry's recent form, if Maurice Deegan doesn't referee it, then Declan O'Sullivan will, or Kieran Donaghy or Colm Cooper or take your pick. Last Sunday we had the sight of Jimmy White being screamed at into his face by O'Sullivan and Donaghy while three other players also surrounded him. There was pushing and shoving and general belligerence. It was a gang, trying to intimidate the match referee. It was Andy D'Urso at Old Trafford getting coursed by Roy Keane and his gang. It was ugly and inexcusable.
But the most revealing part of this incident was its timing: the champions were six points up. It was a comfortable lead but, obviously, they didn't feel comfortable. Five minutes earlier they'd been nine in front. But despite this commanding lead -- or perhaps because of it -- they started panicking. And irony of ironies, they ended up doing an Armagh on it. They packed the defence, invited Cork onto them and conceded three points in almost as many minutes.
Then came the attack on White. It wasn't anger over a bad decision -- it was paranoia.
Ten minutes later their lead was gone. Cork had hauled them in. For the third time this summer they had surrendered a big lead to the same opponents. It had become a self-fulfilling prophecy: when they started to pull bodies back early in the second half, it was a public manifestation of their private insecurity. An admission of the vulnerability that has become increasingly apparent as they close in on the three-in-a-row.
And then, just as they did when Darragh ó Sé was sent off the previous Sunday, they clicked again. They forgot about their fears and just played ball. The way they engineered the winning goal was superb: claiming the kick-out in midfield, then passing and probing, and passing and probing again until they had the overlap and Cooper had the ball in the back of the net. Bingo!
It is one of the true indicators of a genuine champion, in any sport: this ability, when the situation is desperate, to think clearly; to produce a play of the utmost clarity, and to clinically execute it. Which is exactly what Kerry did in the 66th minute.
But once again they left us with this paradoxical performance: scintillating for long periods as every cog in the machine clicked into gear and the scores started piling up. And then, suddenly, the machine stalled. And soon a team that had been masterful started to unravel.
The question is why, and the answer is probably that they are running out of steam. They are bidding to make history with a hat-trick of titles but they are in the final miles of a marathon that actually began six or more years ago for most of them. And it's looking increasingly like they have hit the wall.
What's keeping them going, among other things, is the eye on the prize. Kerry have been the most talented team in the country for the last three years -- they've also been the hungriest. Success hasn't bred complacency; it has bred the desire for more success. They have reached their fifth All-Ireland final in a row. And they have done it in arguably the most competitive era in the history of the game.
It is this all-powerful drive for more titles that has kept them on the road for so long. And when things have started to unravel this summer, that same drive has started to show its ugly side. Those players would not have turned on White last Sunday if they didn't want to win so badly. But, their will to win notwithstanding, they still wouldn't have turned on White if they were happy with their form. But a team that is six points up and behaving like this is clearly far from happy with its form.
Perhaps they don't admit it to themselves but we would venture that, deep down, they know that fatigue has set in; that they are starting to tread water; that the sand is draining fast from the hour-glass.
They haven't cruised into this final. Tyrone are the team with momentum. The question is: having led from the front for so long, will a tiring Kerry team be overtaken by an accelerating Tyrone team just yards from the finish line?
The other feature that has kept Kerry at the top for so much of this decade is a lot easier to quantify than their desire: it is the exceptional quality of their attack. When Tyrone toppled them in the final three years ago, it was with a full-forward line the equal of any ever assembled. The combination of Canavan, Mulligan and O'Neill would take some beating. But Kerry come into this final with Cooper, Donaghy and Walsh and as a unit they are equally as devastating.
Basically this trio bailed Kerry out last Sunday. And with a defence that has leaked a total of 19 points three times this summer, and facing a team that scored 23 against Dublin and 23 against Wexford, it's looking like they will have to bail them out again in the final. The worry for Tyrone is that they will have to be strong in defence for 73 or more minutes; the hope for Kerry is that Cooper et al can strike for goals in a matter of seconds.
That's the football; there's also the psychology. Having shocked the whole of Kerry with the ferocity of their play in that famous (or infamous) 2003 semi-final, the widespread expectation was that Kerry would exact full revenge in the final two years later. Once again the same assumption is surfacing: Kerry will want revenge for 2005.
But it's a flawed assumption and more than a little bit convenient. Firstly, it's three years since that final and a lot of things have changed. Kerry have won the two All-Irelands since then and it would be unsafe to assume that they can reach back behind those victories to find some hurt lingering from the defeat of '05.
Secondly, and maybe more to the point, Canavan is gone, Mulligan is on the bench and O'Neill was gone until last Thursday. Tyrone have found their scoring boots but it's been late in the day and, anyway, it's still not the same. They are weaker in midfield and possibly more erratic in defence too.
Overall, Kerry are stronger in terms of personnel. But mentally and physically they are a tired team. Which might just about even it up. This one has the feel of a cliffhanger about it. With two weeks to go, it is much too early to call. But it will be a fast, fascinating and probably tempestuous affair.
theres one called Tyrone ABU by Eugene Dunphy and its on You Tube at the minute and theres one by a Country and Western Girl Group called Rodeo 21 but I can't find the words for either online !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78)
Tyrone ABU 8)
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 11, 2008, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 11, 2008, 11:08:18 PM
One thing can be absolutely gauranteed in this match, particularly given the Referee, it will not end 15 a side. I fear that the ref. could spoil this game with his ponderous, pedantic, over fussy style. A very bad appointment to take charge of a potential classic game between two superb highly competitive teams. A lot of common sense will be required and our Maurice is short on that commodity
I thought he was grand in the Kerry Monaghan game, must take another look at it.
It's hard work keeping up with the championship pace and girth of this thread.
I thought the ref did well in that game. Talked to players, treated them as adults and kept a firm lid on a scrappy competitive game.
I don't know how he would be with spotting when to let the game flow.
Quotetheres one by a Country and Western Girl Group called Rodeo 21
I think some of the girls in this group are WAGS of the tyrone players
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 02:03:14 PM
Quotetheres one by a Country and Western Girl Group called Rodeo 21
I think some of the girls in this group are WAGS of the tyrone players
Oh FFS get me a bucket ::)
QuoteOverall, Kerry are stronger in terms of personnel. But mentally and physically they are a tired team. Which might just about even it up. This one has the feel of a cliffhanger about it. With two weeks to go, it is much too early to call. But it will be a fast, fascinating and probably tempestuous affair.
Well, as the journalists like to say, Kerry are stronger in personnel. Tyrone might as well not turn up as the result is a forgone conclusion!
Quotetheres one by a Country and Western Girl Group called Rodeo 21
I think some of the girls in this group are WAGS of the tyrone players
Oh FFS get me a bucket
the girls are making the most of an opportunity.... u should be supporting them!
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2008, 02:46:48 PM
QuoteOverall, Kerry are stronger in terms of personnel. But mentally and physically they are a tired team. Which might just about even it up. This one has the feel of a cliffhanger about it. With two weeks to go, it is much too early to call. But it will be a fast, fascinating and probably tempestuous affair.
Well, as the journalists like to say, Kerry are stronger in personnel. Tyrone might as well not turn up as the result is a forgone conclusion!
Yep, don't quite know where's he's coming from with that one, given that our lads have more AI medals, be that at Minor, U21 or Senior. But then, he probably said the same in '03 & '05, without the "tired" piece.
No Fear they are much better technically than us ::) ::) ::) ::)
Seriously we'll do well to contain them especially now that everyone in the panel has been instructed by Harte to be clean shaven as he thinks its distracting them from their duties
I'd be happy with a 5 point defeat and at least that way we can still say we were the 2nd best team in the Noughties
I hope Star doesn't score a goal into the Hill 16 end cos he's likely to get split with an Armagh fan wearing a Tyrone jersey
'All-Ireland Week begins
in Loughmacrory'
Loch Mhic Ruairi Cumann Naomh Treasa
Presents...
THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
On Monday 15th September at 9.00pm
Don't miss the eagerly awaited
All-Ireland Final chat show in
Loughmacrory's impressive new clubrooms
Starring...
Jarlath Burns, Noel McGinn,
Paddy Heaney, Barry McElduff
and host Paddy Hunter, Q101
With a special guest appearance from
Tyrone's groundbreaking manager
MICKEY HARTE
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 12, 2008, 04:26:28 PM
No Fear they are much better technically than us ::) ::) ::) ::)
Seriously we'll do well to contain them especially now that everyone in the panel has been instructed by Harte to be clean shaven as he thinks its distracting them from their duties
I'd be happy with a 5 point defeat and at least that way we can still say we were the 2nd best team in the Noughties
I hope Star doesn't score a goal into the Hill 16 end cos he's likely to get split with an Armagh fan wearing a Tyrone jersey
:D :D ;D
Very good
Well just got a chance to actually post on the board . Lots of different threads which I must have a read on . Very little seems to be leaking out from either camp . With regards the match my thoughts at this stage is
how will both teams line out .Will O Neill and Hughes figure for Tyrone ? What will be the match ups versus the Kerry forwards ?. With regards Kerry who will they pick in the half forward line I would be very surprised if Paul Galvin starts (despite Mikey Sheehy`s advice ) .
The more I watch football this year the worse I am getting at predicting lineouts and who will win .Having the watched the semi finals on Setanta Tyrone look the better side in terms of taking scores and controlling the match while Kerry had some really poor patches particularly when the half forward line went missing in the second half .Kerry also seemed to slow down the play with far too much soloing and messing about in the middle of the park .
I think Tyrone will name the same starting line-out with the Penrose/McGuigan and Holmes/Hughes/Mellon positions a possible talking point.
Has Mellon featured much this year ? He had a good game in 2005
First half radio commentary of 2005 final - has taken me 3 years to upload this!
http://www.zshare.net/audio/18671414a1b8dfa6/
Quote from: ONeill on September 12, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
First half radio commentary of 2005 final - has taken me 3 years to upload this!
http://www.zshare.net/audio/18671414a1b8dfa6/
Good man O Neill. when you putting the 2nd half up
In three years time Bensars.
QuoteI think Tyrone will name the same starting line-out with the Penrose/McGuigan and Holmes/Hughes/Mellon positions a possible talking point.
You honestly think Penrose might start ahead of Tommy McGuigan O'Neill? What's your thinking there?
I think Holmes deserves the nod if fully fit but could see either of the other 2 taking his place. Enda the only sure started in MF.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 13, 2008, 12:54:01 AM
QuoteI think Tyrone will name the same starting line-out with the Penrose/McGuigan and Holmes/Hughes/Mellon positions a possible talking point.
You honestly think Penrose might start ahead of Tommy McGuigan O'Neill? What's your thinking there?
I think Holmes deserves the nod if fully fit but could see either of the other 2 taking his place. Enda the only sure started in MF.
I,d start with Mellon. Will run all day especially at the start of the game. Lets face it we dont have a midfielder thats going to out field the Kerry midfield. Workrate and running is going to win this game for Tyrone. O'Sea will not keep up with McGinley and Mellon but would with Holmes. Dont give them anything.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 12, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78)
Tyrone ABU 8)
Very disappointed - I thought the song would have the meaning "Tyrone - Anyone But You".
Quote from: ONeill on September 12, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
First half radio commentary of 2005 final - has taken me 3 years to upload this!
http://www.zshare.net/audio/18671414a1b8dfa6/
Jeez that was getting good! Who won?
Sure it was over at Half time anyhow! :P
Was great hearing Micheal in full flow!
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 13, 2008, 12:54:01 AM
QuoteI think Tyrone will name the same starting line-out with the Penrose/McGuigan and Holmes/Hughes/Mellon positions a possible talking point.
You honestly think Penrose might start ahead of Tommy McGuigan O'Neill? What's your thinking there?I think Holmes deserves the nod if fully fit but could see either of the other 2 taking his place. Enda the only sure started in MF.
Tommy will definately start. He has become an excellent target man
Quote from: AFS on September 13, 2008, 01:37:09 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 13, 2008, 12:54:01 AM
QuoteI think Tyrone will name the same starting line-out with the Penrose/McGuigan and Holmes/Hughes/Mellon positions a possible talking point.
You honestly think Penrose might start ahead of Tommy McGuigan O'Neill? What's your thinking there?
I think Holmes deserves the nod if fully fit but could see either of the other 2 taking his place. Enda the only sure started in MF.
I'd say he's on about Brian not Tommy. Its an interesting point, will Tyrone stick with McCullagh at CHF and leave B McGuigan out or will McGuigan come back in and push McCullagh back into the corner? If I was Mickey Harte I'd stick with McCullagh, he was very good in the semi and McGuigan has been hit and miss this year for Tyrone this year.
You might be on to something there AFS. Brian Mc Guigan could well be replaced by Colm Mc Cullough. Interesting listening to "O Neill's" comentry clip. Brian Mc Guigan's name came up a lot. Most of the play was coming through him. Would love to hear the second half. Thanks for posting O Neill that was very enjoyable.
QuoteYou might be on to something there AFS. Brian Mc Guigan could well be replaced by Colm Mc Cullough. Interesting listening to "O Neill's" comentry clip. Brian Mc GuiganGuigan's name came up a lot. Most of the play was coming through him. Would love to hear the second half. Thanks for posting O Neill that was very enjoyable.
That was three years ago lads, IMO if it comes down to McGuigan or McCullagh to start,
has to be McCullagh, I still have my doubt's about Brian's fitness, could be very useful in the
last 25 minutes though.
I just watched the 2005 game again. Looking at it dispassionately (kind of) there was a fair few mistakes in that game. Tyrone should have Kerry dead and buried before T O'Se's goal. Kerry driving long, high balls in made zero sense that day. If we see Ricey coming out of defence with as many balls this year it will be a good sign. Kerry's full forward line is so much better this year. I also think their full back line is a lot better. Maybe Kerry posters will have seen more of them but I never really rated Mike McCarthy or T O'Sullivan that highly.
Bar Peter, we have the full team back and some extra lads in there. All to play for, I think how Justy McMahon goes at full-back will be vital, he has been great, but he'll be marking a different class of player, Donaghy was good in 06 and 07, but I think he's better now, his decision making and all round play has really come on. Players from 2005 won't decide the game, I think how the new men go will make or break both teams.
Expect whoever Colm O'Rourke picks as our weak link before the game to be MOTM. 2003 Dooher and before 2005 he said Mellon wouldn't get near the Kerry team!
I was thinking along the lines of Brian McGuigan v Penrose. I know it sounds like a ridiculous match-up but for this game there's the chance that Mickey'll stick to the side that blitzed Wexford in the first half. Brian's class is undoubted but in terms of match fitness and workrate Penrose might have the edge. He probably will bench Penrose. Some option though if B McGuigan and O'Neill are both on the bench, coming on to shore up a 12-point lead.
2nd half - http://www.zshare.net/audio/186890558411e8db/
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 11, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
Some other counties are very quick to "Tar us" Tyronies with the same Negative, defensive qualities that came from Armagh
Armagh based their great years around being defensively strong with 2/3 scoring machines.
For years Tyrone played much more FREE PURE style football with little in the idea of tactics on how to win ugly.
So the more physical teams like the Meaths, Armaghs, Derry and Dublin would have not let us play our sexy football and so we often faltered on the big stage.
Now that is revisionism. The Tyrone team of mid 80s John lynch, Noel Mcginn et al was one of the dirtiest ever .
Build-up from The Kerryman newspaper this week:
Thursday September 11 2008
ALONG and winding road has been traversed since the start of the championship last May and now the journey is almost complete.
On September 21 a sellout crowd of 82,000 people will descend on Croke Park and, given the background, with Tyrone considered Kerry's "bogey" team and Kerry striving for three in-a-row the level of public interest is unprecedented. Consequently, the build-up to this game is electric and probably exceeds any other of recent memory.
"The greatest football championship in the world"– that's what the television advert rather extravagantly calls the GAA's summer competition. An abuse of hyperbole, undoubtedly, but it's an excellent slot just the same showing an Irish pub in New York with followers of both teams, some of them wearing green and gold jerseys, getting all excited about what they see on the small screen.
Then the question is posed: How did we get here?
Kerry got here by playing Clare in the first round, Cork (three times), Monaghan and Galway while Tyrone had to play Down (twice), Louth, Westmeath, Mayo, Dublin and Wexford. That seems to indicate a fairly level playing field in terms of advance competitive action. It was all so different three years ago when Tyrone survived nine preliminary games (five of them in Croke Park) before the final whereas Kerry had only five games in which to hone their preparation. That made a difference. In any event Tyrone won by three points. Two years earlier they destroyed the same opposition in the semi-final, winning by 0- 13 to 0-6.
The 2003 result will rank among the most devastating ever inflicted on Kerry at such an advanced stage of the championship. It compounded the narrow defeat to Armagh in the final of 2002 along with the previous annihilation by Meath (2- 14 to 0-5) in 2001. Later that evening on television the Meath manager, Sean Boylan, looked genuinely perplexed and embarrassed by the ease with which his side had won. Kerry teams usually learn their lesson if and when they are put to the sword, especially in Croke Park, but as of now they still haven't managed to cope with Tyrone in the championship. Two defeats in five years is quite a lot and it could get worse. The popular view is that the Tyrone style (famously referred to by Pat Spillane on TV as "puke football") doesn't suit Kerry and, deep down in their hearts, the players and management would probably feel much more comfortable if they were playing any other team.
The days leading up to an All- Ireland final constitute the most exciting phase of a player's life regardless of whether he is Darragh Ó Sé (playing in his eighth All Ireland final) or Tommy Walsh who is about to play in his first. Injuries are always a big concern at this time and for somebody like Kieran Donaghy, who is reportedly carrying a knee injury, there is additional worry. Similarly, Sean Cavanagh, the Tyrone full-forward, who retired against Wexford, will probably have some anxiety about his fitness as well. The rival supporters feast on these days of anticipation. A small number of Kerry fans will gather in Killarney to watch Pat O'Shea put his team through their paces and they will form their own opinions, whether right or wrong. Obviously, there will be some concern about the manner in which a big lead has been passed up on four separate occasions this year but, overall, the feedback will be positive.
Tommy Griffin has brought power and stability to the fullback line. Marc Ó Sé looks to be coming back to his best. Seamus Scanlon has emerged as a midfielder of real substance. Paul Galvin is back in the frame after a nightmare season when the GAA authorities, with predictable self-righteous bluster, gave him a hard time. The manner in which Galvin was treated is one of the main reasons why Kerry supporters are desperate to win this game. No doubt, the players will feel the same way.
Similarly in Tyrone there are plenty of reasons for wanting to win. Another victory for the Red Hands would end all arguments and the signs are pretty good. The old flair is back after a poor early season when they appeared to be going nowhere. But that changed quite dramatically with the rout of Dublin in Croke Park, which was arguably the most complete display of the championship so far. A total of 3-14, with only one point not coming from play, would seem to indicate as much. If Tyrone reproduce that form on September 21 they will be hard to beat. Mickey Harte, who masterminded the All Ireland victories of 2003 and 2005, has his own personal dream of three in-a-row. The Tyrone manager is considered a tactical genius and one of the architects of the "blanket defence", although he would never claim any personal accolades. He is a modest man who says he is merely blending the old style with the new. His forte is getting the very maximum out of the talent at his disposal and getting the individual players to knit as a team. Remarkably, he is not averse to plucking somebody out of thin air and converting him into a full-back (Joe McMahon in 2005) or making a midfielder out of a corner-forward, in the case of Enda McGinley. This year, Justin McMahon, another rookie full-back, has been doing well in a key position.
Tyrone people are well known for their warmth, good humour and hospitality as many visitors will attest. There is always a bed for the night and an Ulster fry for the passing wayfarer. Rather curiously, there is also a lot of respect for Kerry football. This is in stark contrast to the hostility that will often surface elsewhere, especially in the pubs of North London, when GAA matches are shown live on television. For both sides there is a lot at stake. On the weekend of September 21 a huge travelling army will be on the move with most of them heading down the M1. The bulk of these people have been through it all before and they will be quietly confident. They didn't fear the Dubs and their 60,000 supporters and they won't fear Kerry. That's for sure. But the opposing faction will be equally confident and they, too, will come out in force. This is their stage and, tickets or no tickets, they will want to be in the thick of it come hell or high water.
Rarely if ever before has Kerry's football tradition been exposed to such searing and unforgiving scrutiny. Seldom if ever has the pride of a county been laid on the line in such a stark and compelling confrontation. One thing is certain. The battle lines are drawn and the winning, wherever it falls, will not come easily.
QUOTE: "I'm fairly confident that Kerry will win. I don't see it going any other way" – Former Kerry wing back Mick Finucane who played in the Polo Grounds final of 1947.
Heard this evening there is a major injury doubt after emerging in the Kingdom after this evening's kick about.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 13, 2008, 08:09:46 PM
Heard this evening there is a major injury doubt after emerging in the Kingdom after this evening's kick about.
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Sad news indeed just got a further update and he will be a major blow to our hopes after putting out his shoulder when getting caught in a crunching shoulder sandwich with Paul Galvin and Darragh O'Sé. He was rushed to Tralee General where he will have an operation this evening, he has but a slim chance of being allowed to tog out next weekend.
We will miss him for the final but being a loyal servant to Kerry over the years will still get a medal if we somehow manage to win in his absense.
We wish you a speedy recovery ..................
the great .............................
The legend..............................
A.N. Other.
Quote from: ONeill on September 13, 2008, 07:51:40 AM
2nd half - http://www.zshare.net/audio/186890558411e8db/
Disgraceful site, I clicked on it and I'm looking at 4 wemins arses. Terrible.
Any Tyrone supporters got any details on any GAA chat shows on tihs coming week. I know there is one in the Moy some night but dont know if it is sold out or if you even need tickets. And is there any other shows anywhere?
Quote from: Gaffer on September 13, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
Any Tyrone supporters got any details on any GAA chat shows on tihs coming week. I know there is one in the Moy some night but dont know if it is sold out or if you even need tickets. And is there any other shows anywhere?
Drumragh Sarsfields hold theirs in Sallys on thursday night. Panelists include Joe Brolly, Martin Mc Hugh and Paudi O Shea.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 13, 2008, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 13, 2008, 07:51:40 AM
2nd half - http://www.zshare.net/audio/186890558411e8db/
Disgraceful site, I clicked on it and I'm looking at 4 wemins arses. Terrible.
I suggest you turn around and look at the screen.
Tyrone spies will be listening in to the GAA gossip at Listowel races this coming week
Quote from: Gaffer on September 13, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
Any Tyrone supporters got any details on any GAA chat shows on tihs coming week. I know there is one in the Moy some night but dont know if it is sold out or if you even need tickets. And is there any other shows anywhere?
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Very impressive line ups .How many of these will happen through out the week ?
any on thursday night as i will be back in homestead then!
Quote from: leenie on September 13, 2008, 10:42:18 PM
any on thursday night as i will be back in homestead then!
Two in Omagh on Thursday - Sally's and the Terrace and both are on the radio as far as I know - Highland and Q101
One in Beragh on Wednesday night.
Just flicking through the papers no real good insights to next weeks match ."Piseoga " feature again .Is Gerry McDermott involved with Tyrone or have they got rid of him?
Hardly worth Tyrone's time turning up next Sunday, according to Liam Hayes - he must be sick of listening to Kerry's whinging everytime he slags them off.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 14, 2008, 03:18:57 PM
Hardly worth Tyrone's time turning up next Sunday, according to Liam Hayes - he must be sick of listening to Kerry's whinging everytime he slags them off.
Hardly worth Kerry`s time turning up if Hayes is backing us .Expect to see mass exodus on Sunday if Kerry lose the the Toss .
Heres hoping the British team can win the game. Long Live Ulster. :)
I do agree with Hayes when he says Kerry should not be compared with Kilkenny. Kerry are nowhere near as far ahead of the chasing pack as the Cats are.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 14, 2008, 06:14:04 PM
I do agree with Hayes when he says Kerry should not be compared with Kilkenny. Kerry are nowhere near as far ahead of the chasing pack as the Cats are.
Footbal is much closer indeed Kerry can only be regarded as level with the pack at present . Mr Hayes does not think much of any football team in the past 20 years . I keep waiting for his analysis of the curent state of Meath football
Jinxy , the way I am reading it, is before this Championship or just after last years AI win, Hayes said that this Kerry team were not a great team but when pressed by the interviewer he said if they win a 3 in a row they could be regarded as a great team like the last Kerry 3 in a row.
Basically Kerry would have to do the 3 in a row.
Today something has shifted ::) they won't be a great treble team should they win because they don't compare to Kilkenny's 3 in a row ???
Then at the end he backtracks on the merits of a Kerry 3 in a row, that if they do win, it reflects badly on the standards of the modern game.
Would his world cave in if he had to admit to a failure?
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2008/sep/14/three-not-of-a-kind/ (http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2008/sep/14/three-not-of-a-kind/)
Leaving all loyalties and bias towards our respective teams/counties aside - how many of ye agree with Hayes or do ye think he is just back tracking and trying to get some friends back in Kerry again?
I think that is the greatest load of rubbish I have read for quite some time.
Hayes has succeeded -- we're talking about him! Clueless piece.
He comes across as a bitter p***k. Never seems to have much time for Northern teams or in fact most counties in general. You'd wonder how a clown like this gets to write about gaelic football. If he's not interested in the game he should bugger off. Im sure Mickey Harte will appreciate getting advise from a proven manager like Liam.
If Hayes was from Cork he's be a Langer and that's the best I can say about him.
Pat Spillane just (for the first time that I can remember) pronounced Tyrone properly, i.e, Teer-Owen, and not TIRE-Owen, as per the As Gaeilge. Perhaps it was that letter into the Irish Times from a few weeks back that did the trick, from a Gaeilgoir Galway lad who'd had enough of his mangling of the name. Progress, I suppose, but he still has time yet to murder it before the Sunday Game ends. QED. ;)
Had a look through both teams this year, a few simple but possibly useless facts.
Anyway less than a week to go now and the excitement is building nicely.
Kerry have scored 8-86 with 14 individual scorers in the 6 games, Colm Cooper with 2-19, Bryan Sheehan on 24 points and Tommy Walsh on 1-9, the leading 3 scorers
Tyrone have scored 6-111 in their 7 games with Sean Cavanagh leading the way on 2-19, Colm McCullagh on 1-20 and Tommy McGuigan on 20 points the top 3.
Kerry's backs and Midfielders have scored a total of 0-14, Tomas O'Se and Aidan O'Mahony scoring 4 points apiece while the midfielders of Darragh O'Se and Seamus Scanlon have contributed 3 points each
Tyrone's backs have scored a total of 1-14, Davy Harte with 1-4, Phillip Jordan scoring 5 points and Ryan McMenimen with 3 points, Gormley and McCaul also scoring a points each.
Tyrone midfielder Enda McGinley has scored 1-5, while Ryan Mellon has scored 3 points, and Kevin Hughes has a point to his credit while some of Sean Cavanagh's scores have also come while he has been playing in the middle sector.
Kerry have used 24 players in the 2008 Championship season of 6 games
8 players have started all 6 games,
Diarmuid Murphy, Marc O'Sé, Tom O'Sullivan, Tomás O'Sé, Aidan O'Mahony, Seamus Scanlon, Bryan Sheehan and Colm Cooper
Kieran Donaghy & Tommy Walsh have started 5 games each and been used as a sub in the other game.
Killian Young, Darragh O'Se and Declan O'Sulllivan have started 5 games each.
Darren O'Sullivan has been used as a sub in all 6 games,
Tommy Griffin, Eoin Brosnan, and Sean O'Sullivan are next in line having been used as subs 3 times each.
8 Kerry panellists have seen no game time in the Championship, Kieran Cremin the sub goalie along with Rónán O'Flaherta, Paul O'Connor, Mike Frank Russell, Anthony Maher, Aidan O'Shea, Mike Moloney and Pat Corridan.
Will MFR get a run if Kerry are winning close to the end on next Sunday?
Tyrone have used 28 of their panel in their 2008 championship 7 games.
They also have 8 players who have started each game
Sean Cavanagh, Colm McCullagh, Brian Dooher, Davy Harte, Phillip Jordan, Ryan McMenimen, Conor Gormley and Justin McMahon
Enda McGinley and John Devine have started 6 games each
Tommy McGuigan and Martin Penrose have started 5 each and been used as a sub in the other 2.
Joe McMahon has played a part in all 7 games but has only started 4 and was a sub in the other 3.
Brian McGuigan has started 5 and was a sub in 1 while Colin Holmes has been involved in 6 games starting 3.
Ryan Mellon has played in 5 starting 4
Colm Cavanagh and Damian MCCaul have also played in 5 games Cavanagh used 3 times as sub while McCaul has come on 4 times.
Kevin Hughes has only been used as a sub 4 times while surprisingly Owen Mulligan has only been used as a sub 3 times, neither starting a game.
Compared to Kerry, Tyrone have only 4 panellists, Cathal McCarron, Shaun O'Neill, Jonathan Curran and Stephen O'Neill have not seen any game time yet.
Darragh O'Sé and Mike Frank Russell are aiming for their 6th Senior Medals.
Tommy Walsh, David Moran and Aidan O'Shea are sons of famous Kerrymen, Sean Walsh, Ogie Moran and Jack O'Shea, who each played in the last Kerry winning 3-in-a-row team of 1986 beating Tyrone in the final.
This time next week Tyronnies will either be basking in the glory of a third All-Ireland in a single decade (only Down has managed that from Ulster) and the realisation that we have, at full strength, the best players/team/set-up in Ireland - or - we'll be holding our hands up and admitting that we've the second best side in the country and that the Donaghy addition from 2005 was the last piece in the Kerry jigsaw that elevated them above all else, but also pleasantly surprised at being in the spotlight on the 3rd Sunday of Sept and hopeful for the future.
It's a win-win situ!!!!!
Correct ONeill. Very few expected Tyrone to make it through the qualifers, so to be still playing in September is fantastic. Win or lose, we've had a good year. Winning would be fantastic though ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 14, 2008, 09:32:18 PM
He comes across as a bitter p***k. Never seems to have much time for Northern teams or in fact most counties in general. You'd wonder how a clown like this gets to write about gaelic football. If he's not interested in the game he should bugger off. Im sure Mickey Harte will appreciate getting advise from a proven manager like Liam.
couldnt agree with you more.
all over this time next week! my only worry is will paul galvin start, hope o shea starts him tho i think his instinct is not to and bring him on. that could be a big mistake imo
Anthony Tohill reckons that O'Shea must start Galvin too, mk, to the degree where it thinks that if he doesn't start and is introduced as a substitute it will actually spur ourselves on! Hope he's on the bench ;)
Not completely sure, possibly Jonathan Curran, the 3rd choice goalie for Tyrone.
Blast from the past ;)
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 15, 2008, 04:43:22 AM
Blast from the past ;)
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Who is that Kerry man beside Frank Mc Guigan ?
Great photo, and how time ages us - well the mans still there to do the damage if required.
From today's Irish News (Francis Mooney):
Final frontier not final curtain for McGuigan
To grasp an O'Neill's football once again, to hear the thud of leather on leather. Simple sensations, basic tools of the master craftsman that Brian McGuigan was.
Suddenly it was all over. A double leg break followed by a serious eye injury and Tyrone's Allstar playmaker was forced out of the game that ruled his life.
There were dark days, each one seemingly darker than the one before, as the prospects of ever playing again became more bleak with every passing setback.
The fear that his prolific sporting career had been taken from him permanently never left McGuigan at peace, but deep inside he gently nursed a faithful belief that one day he could return to grace the gaelic fields of Ireland.
Beyond his wildest dreams was the quite absurd notion that he might get the chance to play in a third All-Ireland final.
On Sunday, however, one of gaelic football's most unlikely comebacks could be completed if he plays a part against Kerry at Croke Park.
"I'm glad to get on a football field again, never mind to be experiencing an All-Ireland final," said McGuigan.
"The first day I came back, I was really eager to get back into it, and then I got that other injury.
"I suppose it puts everything into perspective. Whenever you are fit to play, you take it for granted.
"Looking back now, it was a tough time, but I suppose you just have to take all the good times whenever they come.
"I count myself lucky to be in this situation, because 12 months ago, even to get back on the training field was only a dream. I'm over the moon to be back again.
"That's all I wanted ever to be doing, to be playing football, and lucky enough I'm back doing it."
For two-and-a-half years, Tyrone had to exist without the player who made them tick.
And it's no coincidence that in 2006 and '07, the Red Hands looked a pale shadow of the side that had won the Sam Maguire Cup in such spectacular fashion in 2005.
McGuigan despaired, not only for his own well-being, but also for the future of the Tyrone team that had become an integral part of his being.
Specialist surgery was required to repair the horrific damage he suffered to an eye during a club reserve game he had played in order to ease his way back following a leg break.
For weeks, he had to constantly lie face down and motionless in bed, and it was this stage of the recovery process that brought one of the lowest points.
"Watching Tyrone getting defeated last year against Meath was one of the low points, especially with everybody saying it was the finish of that Tyrone team. We used it this year to spur us on," he said.
"I was on the bed for three weeks, and I suppose I was looking for a bit of a lift and I just never got it that day.
"I was face down for about three weeks, but I don't really try to remember those times now.
"The doctor told me that if I don't lie face down, I was jut going to have no chance with the eye, so it was something I had to do.
"And the fact that I had a TV underneath me, and it was the middle of the summer, watching the football, kinda helped me a wee bit too.
"But if I had to go through it again, I don't know whether I could. I'd maybe just give up."
Skipper Brian Dooher's lengthy struggle with injury coincided with McGuigan's efforts to regain fitness, and together they battled through the pain.
"We went through rehab together, me and Brian. Brian's a deadly man to drive you on, and he was a good man to have there with me. The both of us spurred each other on," said McGuigan.
"The man is unbelievable, the way he keeps coming back and proving everybody wrong year after year."
The Tyrone centre-forward is acutely aware of misgivings among the fan base over his ability to rediscover the brilliant form that inspired the county to All-Ireland titles in 2003 an '05.
"It takes you a while to get back on your feet, and there are a lot of people, even Tyrone supporters, who still doubt my ability coming into this final.
"It's a bit like '05, people were doubting me going into the final too, but I'll just have to try and prove them wrong again.
"Whether I'll be starting or whether I'll be in the subs, I don't care, as long as I have another All-Ireland in my pocket at the end of the day.
"When Mickey asked me to come back, I suppose I was lucky that it was Mickey. There's maybe other managers that wouldn't have given me the chance to come back, but Mickey stuck by me.
"The couple of games that I got in the League and the couple of games with the club helped bring me on.
"But it was always going to take time, and there hasn't been 70 minutes in me in any match this year, but if I do get a start for the final, hopefully I do last the 70 minutes, but if I don't I'm just glad to be there."
A season that appeared doomed to failure suddenly turned the corner with a spectacular All-Ireland quarter-final win over Dublin, but McGuigan feels that the tide had begun to turn in Tyrone's favour much earlier than that.
"I think the team, the management and the supporters got a bit of belief after the second half against Down," he said.
"Everybody realised that maybe there is a bit of fight in this team, and it helped spur us on.
"Maybe we didn't play as well against Westmeath and Mayo, we were playing in fits and spurts, 10 minutes here and 10 minutes there.
"And then against Dublin, we played for 70 minutes, which gave the team a boost, and against Wexford we produced the goods again.
"But it's only a stepping stone. We have one more match to go and we'll take it a game at a time."
McGuigan does feel, however, that the team's performance against Dublin was not only the best of the season, but better than anything produced in the All-Ireland-winning years.
"I would actually go as far as to say it was the best team performance this era ever produced, even in '03 and '05.
"Against Dublin, everything actually clicked, and I suppose you saw it with Kilkenny last week, you do get days like that. It's very hard to get it in the Championship, but we were lucky enough to get it in the Championship."
Younger brother Tommy has been one of the discoveries of the season, combining the unmistakeable McGuigan creativity and guile with an ability to win difficult ball and execute scores.
Having been handed his chance to shine this season, Tommy has repaid Mickey Harte's faith in him with a string of classy displays. Big Brother has been impressed.
"Tommy's 25 now, he's a bit late coming into it. Two years ago he came in to the team, and he has been hampered by injuries," said Brian.
"With Stephen O'Neill not being there at the start of the year, we needed a boy to stand up, and I think Tommy has been one of the boys that has really stood up in the full-forward line"Even after the Down match, people were saying, where are our scores going to come from, but they're coming from all sorts of men now. Collie McCullagh is standing up, Tommy, and Joe McMahon, they have all chipped in.
"On a personal level, it's good to see Tommy doing well. It's been a long time in coming, but I knew it was always there.
"His form in training showed that he had the capabilities of doing it. Maybe against Mayo the media did say that he had bad game, but we thought that he actually did play well.
"It's better that you're getting the ball and missing the chances than not getting the ball and not getting the chances. He's been doing well and everybody in the family is proud of him."
Brian McGuigan has savoured victory over Kerry in 2003 and 2005, but he insists the past will have no part to play in Sunday's final against a Kingdom team that has re-invented itself.
"This is a different Kerry team that we're playing. We have never come up against this kind of a Kerry team before, with a couple of big men at full-forward, and the Gooch.
"So I don't think you can really go on the past. We're just taking it as a different game, we're not comparing it to '03 or '05.
"But Kerry have a great motivation to beat us, because they have never beaten us in the Championship, and they're going to use that against us. I'm sure they're very confident."
And the return of Stephen O'Neill finds favour with the man who supplied much of the possession that the former Footballer of the Year turned into classy scores over the past decade.
"It's good to have Stephen back. He said he would retire, but we always knew that Stevie probably would come back," said McGuigan.
"He just wasn't confident with his injury. A big deal has been made of it in the media, but I see it no different from Paul Galvin playing for Kerry. Stephen has played as much football this year as Paul Galvin has, and I don't see it any different."
Read the article this morning Fear. Great stuff and shows what Brian has come through over the last two years.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 15, 2008, 10:55:25 AM
Read the article this morning Fear. Great stuff and shows what Brian has come through over the last two years.
I still am convinced that most Tyrone supporters haven't a clue as to the efforts made by Dooher and Mc Guigan to get back to where they are at ! Hats off to them both - both are great examples of triumph in the face of adversity !
Well done to the 2 Brians and hope that they will be rewarded on Sunday with a third Celtic Cross !
Whilst I may not know the ins and outs of their recovery, I do know what it's like to come back from something like that. They are a credit to all people, not just in Tyrone or the sporting world. Shows the character of the men and proves that if you truly put your mind to something it is achievable, no matter know unlikely is seems at the time.
To see these men with a 3rd Celtic Cross next weekend would be fantastic for them, but to be on the pitch is good enough reward in itself.
UTV Live are coming to town this Friday:
http://gaelsport.com/html/club/newfullstory.jsp?c=258&newsID=20567&p=n (http://gaelsport.com/html/club/newfullstory.jsp?c=258&newsID=20567&p=n)
thanx for that article- as im now unable to hack into irishnews.com anymore
Well written and if im honest, kinda moving (i cry at x-factor, gimme a break)
So cheers for that.
Its ok Maggie. I cried too when that guy on Sat night who came back after rejection 3 years ago didnt make it :'(
Agree that Mc Guigan has had a torrid couple of years and outside of Canavan Tyrones most influnetial player in 03 & 05
Quote from: Yes I Would on September 15, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
Its ok Maggie. I cried too when that guy on Sat night who came back after rejection 3 years ago didnt make it :'(
Agree that Mc Guigan has had a torrid couple of years and outside of Canavan Tyrones most influnetial player in 03 & 05
In fairness he was dung-just chavved up bit more than the last time he got the road.
You have no heart woman!!
Best behaviour in Dublin this weekend lads. Don't say you've not been warned!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7616715.stm
Any truth that Brian McGuigan may not start on Sunday?
Just heard on the GV that joe mcmahon is starting at full-back.
Team won't be named until Thursday night, so until then I won't be listening to the rumours.
The 'Galvinator' will be back!!
http://www.gaa.ulsterbank.com/news.html/3464
;D ;D
Quote from: maggie on September 15, 2008, 09:27:00 PM
Just heard on the GV that joe mcmahon is starting at full-back.
mightn't be a bad shout - harte will def have something up his sleeve to deal with donaghy and walsh
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 15, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
The 'Galvinator' will be back!!
http://www.gaa.ulsterbank.com/news.html/3464
;D ;D
The fagan-inator more like (check out lookalikes thread)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 14, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Pat Spillane just (for the first time that I can remember) pronounced Tyrone properly, i.e, Teer-Owen, and not TIRE-Owen, as per the As Gaeilge. Perhaps it was that letter into the Irish Times from a few weeks back that did the trick, from a Gaeilgoir Galway lad who'd had enough of his mangling of the name. Progress, I suppose, but he still has time yet to murder it before the Sunday Game ends. QED. ;)
Sure what harm in Mr P Spillane mispronouncing Tyrone? One P Canavan who pundits on the Last Word with Matt Cooper always says 'Trone' - and he's a native Trone man!! :D
Thats because thats how its said!
Correct. Speak it our way or no way.
Hes just smarter and more eloquent than the average hallion from the O'Neill county.
Well youse cant slag Pat for not pronouncing it correctly - he lives about 300 miles from yere county, would have very little contact with Tyrone natives (I presume) and never had much reasons for discussing Tyrone until lately so give him a chance! ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 15, 2008, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 14, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Pat Spillane just (for the first time that I can remember) pronounced Tyrone properly, i.e, Teer-Owen, and not TIRE-Owen, as per the As Gaeilge. Perhaps it was that letter into the Irish Times from a few weeks back that did the trick, from a Gaeilgoir Galway lad who'd had enough of his mangling of the name. Progress, I suppose, but he still has time yet to murder it before the Sunday Game ends. QED. ;)
Sure what harm in Mr P Spillane mispronouncing Tyrone? One P Canavan who pundits on the Last Word with Matt Cooper always says 'Trone' - and he's a native Trone man!! :D
Say Teer-owen really fast, like you were a native, and it may come out like T'rone. But TIRE-owen, will
always come out like you're some gombeen from the backwaters ;)
And if Spillane knew anything about the native tongue he'd know that Tír can never be pronounced as TIRE :P
Thanks Puck, that's a pint I owe you ;)
Thats ok but only people from Tyrone would want to speak with a thick tyrone accent. Each county to their own - thats what I say. I've noticed as well, some nordies pronouncing Kerry as 'Carry' !
Galvin out injured. A bad fall in training.
(http://www.kerryman.ie/multimedia/archive/00203/Paul_203182c.jpg)
Perhaps the fact that Pat actually presents the programme through the medium of English has passed some of you buy but I would be inclined to think that that is why he (like the rest of us Ciarraíoch) pronounces it Tyrone. Thats just a thought though!!!! :P
Quote from: CiarraiAbu on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Perhaps the fact that Pat actually presents the programme through the medium of English has passed some of you buy but I would be inclined to think that that is why he (like the rest of us Ciarraíoch) pronounces it Tyrone. Thats just a thought though!!!! :P
'Tis a woeful shocking ignorance all the same, whatever spin you'd like to apply to it! :P
Awful news about Galvin, eh? ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 15, 2008, 10:44:25 PM
Awful news about Galvin, eh? ;)
Well they will knock skelps out of each other in training ;)
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 15, 2008, 10:45:59 PM
Well they will knock skelps out of each other in training ;)
Just not half hard enough Frank ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 15, 2008, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 15, 2008, 10:45:59 PM
Well they will knock skelps out of each other in training ;)
Just not half hard enough Frank ;)
Shure we'll have to leave a little for the red hands to do.
To ziggy, Tyronelass, hurler and the rest of the tyrone supporters, all the best and I hope you win your third Sam.
I hope you play the kingdom off the park, maybe if you play pure football and hammer kerry that might shut that hoor Spillane up for a few weeks.
The in laws are here at the minute, I have twenty dollars on Tyrone to beat Kerry with the father in law, he is a soccer head who has no time for Gaelic football. I hope Tyrone dont let me down, I will never hear the end of it if he wins the bet. :-[
Quote from: CiarraiAbu on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Perhaps the fact that Pat actually presents the programme through the medium of English has passed some of you buy but I would be inclined to think that that is why he (like the rest of us Ciarraíoch) pronounces it Tyrone. Thats just a thought though!!!! :P
How come then Galvin gets pronounced as Gallivan.
But you probably wouldn't notice that :)
Im a little concerned about how much publicity photoshoots/interviews have been taken of the senior team and the minors in the run up to the most important day ever for Tyrone football. Anyone else noting this. As long as the guys retain their focus. - but how can ye legislate for minors.
Quote from: Main Street on September 16, 2008, 12:32:07 AM
Quote from: CiarraiAbu on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 PM
Perhaps the fact that Pat actually presents the programme through the medium of English has passed some of you buy but I would be inclined to think that that is why he (like the rest of us Ciarraíoch) pronounces it Tyrone. Thats just a thought though!!!! :P
How come then Galvin gets pronounced as Gallivan.
But you probably wouldn't notice that :)
Yeah I noticed that on the Radio commentary O'Neill put up. Also that Cooper had to be referred to as Colm-Gooch-Cooper: full title in about 0.24 seconds!
watched the '05 final again last night. kerry were actually the better team in the first 20-25 minutes. the likes of stephen o'neill and sean cavanagh were pretty anonymous in this period but they obviously came good in the 2nd half. ;) the pundits are saying that tyrone are not at their 2005 level but I think the dublin performance this year was better than anything in 2005.
O'Neill thanks for uploading that radio commentary - will get me through the morning here.
Great stuff
(http://www.takeyourpoints.com/gallery/hartes.jpg)
Anyone nervous yet.
This ones the big one, we can underhype it as much as we want, but Tyrone as a county need this all ireland to rightfully claim that throughout the new millenium they were not a second best to no team. Lose and their teams era is probably over - win and they'll take 2 in a row. A loss for the kingdom would be catastrophic for their confidence as a football county - We have watched how badly the kingdom take their defeats by blaming all and sundry and the rulebook,. If this Kerry team loses then they have probably have to realise that they are not good enough and they have only themselves to blame, as undoubtedly they have the talent to be good enough. Yet I would say kerry who I would have as landslide favourites with a huge question mark at the back of their collective minds.. Are they about to be the first team in GAA history to lose 4 number 8 point leads from a national league final onwards and still win an all Ireland. I dont know if both teams are finished their development yet for the year so on that basis Ill plump for a nice draw. I think both teams could probably cancel themselves out and it may not be as open as people expect. I also would fear the obvious Kerry indiscipline spilling over and I hope that Tyrone dont get sucked in. There has not been a match played of more importance in at least 25 years since Darby denied Kerry 5 in a row. The winner may well have to wait to take it all in the replay.
If we beat Kerry for the third time do we own them? I bag renaming Killarney 'Cappagh'.
why is the Gooch called the Gooch?
Quotewhy is the Gooch called the Gooch?
Ye know, Goochy-goochy-goo an all that.
I dreamt last night Kerry won. I was very upset, but was happy when I woke to find out it wasn't reality.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2008, 04:01:19 PM
If we beat Kerry for the third time do we own them? I bag renaming Killarney 'Cappagh'.
I get the Rose of Tralee.
Quote from: peterquaife on September 16, 2008, 04:03:41 PM
why is the Gooch called the Gooch?
From the Sports almanac that is Wilipedia......
"Cooper's nickname, "The Gooch", was allegedly given to him by former Dr. Crokes 'keeper Peter O'Brien for his supposed resemblance to a Goochy Doll. "
He definitely looks like a gooch though.
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More Like Bosco (Im going to move it over to the GAALOOKALIKES PAGE)
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edited: to add Gourley
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Darwin was right.
How do you like those apples Benedict?
Rumour has it Ricey has already been cast for the Hills Have Eyes part 4
Hurl take that abomination down, it is scary the poor wee ones on here.
I am torn over this game. Being an Armagh man I want to see as much pain and suffering cast down on Tyrone as possible, FFS they have one more AI and that bugs the shit put of me. Also I have always enjoyed beating the players from Tyrone at school and club levels down through the years and it is very hard to let that go.
The flip side though is with my place of residence now in Langerland I am being imbued with so much hatred if Yerra land that it is starting to seep into my subconsciousness. I have no real distaste for Kerry but the effect of living here it is subliminal and there is a growing urge to shout "get out of it ye animal ye" to complete strangers with Kerry flags hanging from the sticks on their car windows. Also I work with a number of Kerry folk and although they talk away and say good things about Armagh, I know they are saying inside themselves "fecking Nordie hallion, bringing that bastardisation into our game and stopping us winning 10 in a row, along with those other nordie midgets".
So what do I do??? Thank god for the Ryder Cup is all I say as I can shout "get in the hole" to the TV as opposed to BC junior whenever he is being a brat(which is becoming more often than not recently as he gets closer to teenagedoom, humpy wee git)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 16, 2008, 05:39:47 PMHurl take that abomination down, it is scary the poor wee ones on here.
No chance :D :D :D
Joe McMahon looks like he's just been rescued by the crew of a Filpino shrimp boat, after floating on an oil drum in the South China Sea for 3 weeks.
Forecasting the future based on one game is ridiculous.
A Kerry win will give us a three in a row, a loss gives us 4 all-Ireland in the decade with one more year to go.
In 2005, Kerry Football was dead and buried, the media said, us soft southerners ere finished for good and glory, well until 2006 & 2007.
The Same in 2003 yet Sam came home with us in 2004.
Tyrone will still be serious contenders in 2009 if they lose because they have the footballers.
On another note those Tyrone boys look dangerous, one looks like he may have a bird's nest in that beard.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on September 16, 2008, 05:55:13 PM
Forecasting the future based on one game is ridiculous.
A Kerry win will give us a three in a row, a loss gives us 4 all-Ireland in the decade with one more year to go.
In 2005, Kerry Football was dead and buried, the media said, us soft southerners ere finished for good and glory, well until 2006 & 2007.
The Same in 2003 yet Sam came home with us in 2004.
Tyrone will still be serious contenders in 2009 if they lose because they have the footballers.
On another note those Tyrone boys look dangerous, one looks like he may have a bird's nest in that beard.
Agreed, to me this "team of the decade" stuff and this being the game which makes or breaks either team is nonsense. Tyrone hadnt won an All-Ireland till this decade so whatever happens on Sunday (and in 2009) this team will rightfully go down in history as a great Tyrone team. The fact they achieved these successes in spite of terrible tragedy affecting the panel twice will IMO make history judge this as a special team. On the Kerry side of it they have 4 All Ireland's this decade whatever happens, thats enough to ensure their place in the history books. They will want to beat Tyrone to get that particular monkey off their backs but if they dont the 4 Sams is still a pretty tidy consolation ;D.
The bearded lads are looking good, I think Joey is moving towards a stage 12 there!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2008, 05:53:32 PM
Joe McMahon looks like he's just been rescued by the crew of a Filpino shrimp boat, after floating on an oil drum in the South China Sea for 3 weeks.
He was - he was in serious training.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 16, 2008, 04:44:39 PM
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edited: to add Gourley
This is chastening lesson to me. Next time a bearded tr**p asks me for money in the street he is going to get some, at least until next Sunday anyway.
Seriously you can't say tr**p? This f**king place is getting bastarding, cuntly ridiculous!
Could Mulligan not even bleach th'on beard.
If its true that Tyrone are not shaving until they win Sam, McMahon and co will be tripping over their beards in a few years time by the time they win it again ;)
At least it improves McMenimen looks, he was an ugly looking bollix up to now with a face that not even a mother could love.
Interview with McGuigan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7616997.stm
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 16, 2008, 07:26:14 PM
Interview with McGuigan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7616997.stm
Fair play to Brian, delighted for him that he's back on this stage after all he's been through. Hopefully he has a big game in him for Sunday, the boy is a class act.
You know, the build up to this AI could not be going better for us. In 2005 maybe we were going into the game with certain assumptions e.g it was going to be like 2003 etc but this year all the assumptions are coming from Tyrone...I have lost count of the number of times that some Tyrone poster has said that Kerry are "worried" about Tyrone or that Tom O'Sullivan is "worried" about Stephen O'Neill....Tyrone are placing an awful lot of emphasis, indeed seem to be banking on, Kerry being "worried" about Tyrone. There seems to be an internal script playing through the heads of Tyrone people e.g Stephen O'Neill will come on, score 1-3...Kerry will crumble etc, etc" that you wonder what is going to happen if things dont start going to plan. The last time team that went into a game with such strong assumptions about the opposition or the way a game was "supposed" to go was the Dublin team a few weeks back and, before that, probably us in 2005.
People will say, of course, that what posters say on here has no impact on how the Tyrone team are thinking but its hard to seperate the mental attitude of the team from its people. I saw a great quote from a Kerry poster on hoganstand a while back which said (roughly)
"In 2003 we were expecting a shootout and got a dogfight
In 2005 we were expecting a dogfight and got a shootout
This year we are expecting everything and nothing"
that pretty much sums it up.
The bottom line is that Kerry are mentally prepared for the shit to hit the fan on Sunday. Whether they can deal with it or not is another question but I am beginning to wonder if Tyrone are mentally prepared for the shit to hit the fan ?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 16, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
If its true that Tyrone are not shaving until they win Sam, McMahon and co will be tripping over their beards in a few years time.
No they're not shaving until they're beat Kerry Mike so I suppose your prediction will be accurate enough. 8) They'll be some length by the McKenna Cup alone.
QuoteNo they're not shaving until they're beat Kerry Mike
f**k me has it got this personal?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 16, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
If its true that Tyrone are not shaving until they win Sam, McMahon and co will be tripping over their beards in a few years time by the time they win it again ;)
At least it improves McMenimen looks, he was an ugly looking bollix up to now with a face that not even a mother could love.
maybe the gooch could use one as well? Tasty looking chap ;D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7617039.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7617039.stm)
Mickey Harte on the final.
Still looking forward to this more than any other emotion. In 2003 there were serious nerves. In 2005 there was the feeling that after 9 wretchedly nerve wrecking games, and issues around burn-out, we'd better not bloody lose it now. This feels like a bonus and is fairly unexpected. However, the desire to win a Sam, third or not, is there as strong as ever in this squad which is reassuring. Sunday can't come quickly enough. These lads are on the brink of true greatness. Many said they were a 'great' team when they outplayed Kerry in 05 - this is another level.
For Kerry....every All-Ireland needs to be won.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2008, 09:58:38 PM
Still looking forward to this more than any other emotion. In 2003 there were serious nerves. In 2005 there was the feeling that after 9 wretchedly nerve wrecking games, and issues around burn-out, we'd better not bloody lose it now. This feels like a bonus and is fairly unexpected. However, the desire to win a Sam, third or not, is there as strong as ever in this squad which is reassuring. Sunday can't come quickly enough. These lads are on the brink of true greatness. Many said they were a 'great' team when they outplayed Kerry in 05 - this is another level.
For Kerry....every All-Ireland needs to be won.
For every team every All Ireland needs to be won .
The reality is, and this is no disrepect to Kerry, Mayo or Cork, but the last time the Kingdom successfully had to 'battle' for an All-Ireland (final) was 2000, against Galway (Replay, 0-17 to 1-10). The finals of 2004, 2006 & 2007 did not have to be fought for.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 16, 2008, 10:07:51 PM
The reality is, and this is no disrepect to Kerry, Mayo or Cork, but the last time the Kingdom successfully had to 'battle' for an All-Ireland was 2000, against Galway (Replay, 0-17 to 1-10). The finals of 2004, 2006 & 2007 did not have to be fought for.
Very true . They were poor strange Games ..I thought the Mickey Harte Interview was very good .What is the story with the Tyrone Goal Keepers . I though the big man Paschal was very good in Tralee in the league game this year ?. which by the way was very close even though Kerry had most of the possession .
I think John Devine is being picked ahead of him John because of his greater accuracy and variation on kick-outs, and that's a facet that could be critical on Sunday.
Quote from: johnpower on September 16, 2008, 10:06:53 PM
For every team every All Ireland needs to be won .
I'd say at the start of every year, only the players of Kerry, Cork, Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh, Galway and Mayo have realistic designs on Sam.
Mickey Harte says it will go right down to the wire . It will be a tense day out . All I need now is a ticket
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 16, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
People will say, of course, that what posters say on here has no impact on how the Tyrone team are thinking but its hard to seperate the mental attitude of the team from its people. I saw a great quote from a Kerry poster on hoganstand a while back which said (roughly)
"In 2003 we were expecting a shootout and got a dogfight
In 2005 we were expecting a dogfight and got a shootout
This year we are expecting everything and nothing"
that pretty much sums it up.
The bottom line is that Kerry are mentally prepared for the shit to hit the fan on Sunday. Whether they can deal with it or not is another question but I am beginning to wonder if Tyrone are mentally prepared for the shit to hit the fan ?
I think you're onto something MS. I get the feeling, especially since the return of O'Neill, that the expectations are rocketing. Kerry will know exactly what they're up against this time.
Mike plural (armagh and Sheehy) - if you think that the expectation and excitement around the O'Neill county is going to seep into the mindset of the 31 boys in red and white on the croke park pitch on Sunday - then you really have no clue.
Mickey Harte will have none of it, and they will be primed for the toughest game of their careers - and so will Kerry.
I meant the final itself, not the whole series of games. Omisson on my part.
Where's the big love in? Is the meet up in danger of not happening before the game now?
Latest news:
Paul Galvin will start on the bench on Sunday after serving his three-month suspension, while Tyrone will keep Stephen O'Neill, who came out of retirement last week, in reserve as well. (The Star)
Tyrone's record in this decade against Kerry is undoubtedly the source of any confidence they harbour ahead of the final.
In nine meetings, two championship and seven in League, Tyrone have lost just twice (both League) and drawn one.
Significantly for Kerry one of their victories and the draw have come post All-Ireland final 2005, a game which they lost by 1-16 to 2-10 . This could be a good omen for Sunday.
Of the '05 All-Ireland final O'Connor recalls: "Losing to Tyrone is worse than losing to almost anyone else. Not that there's much history between us. That's the point. There's an arrogance to Northern football that rubs people up the wrong way. They're flash and nouveau riche and full of it."
Later on O'Connor admits to trawling through the Ulster GAA website for information on tackling drills and meeting up with a well-known Ulster GAA figure in Dublin to prise information about how Tyrone et al go about their business.
Thats a bit unfair of O'Connor trying to get inside infomation on how Tyrone play!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 16, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
You know, the build up to this AI could not be going better for us. In 2005 maybe we were going into the game with certain assumptions e.g it was going to be like 2003 etc but this year all the assumptions are coming from Tyrone...I have lost count of the number of times that some Tyrone poster has said that Kerry are "worried" about Tyrone or that Tom O'Sullivan is "worried" about Stephen O'Neill....Tyrone are placing an awful lot of emphasis, indeed seem to be banking on, Kerry being "worried" about Tyrone. There seems to be an internal script playing through the heads of Tyrone people e.g Stephen O'Neill will come on, score 1-3...Kerry will crumble etc, etc" that you wonder what is going to happen if things dont start going to plan. The last time team that went into a game with such strong assumptions about the opposition or the way a game was "supposed" to go was the Dublin team a few weeks back and, before that, probably us in 2005.
OK Mike, I've read this a few times and still trying to get to grips with the point you're trying to make, and getting very bored while doing so, "internal scrips", constant repetition of the work "assumptions" etc.
Tyrone people are assuming that things will go our way? Are you mad? We're absolutely hopping with joy to be in the final when back in June we weren't "assuming" we'd be anywhere near.
Kerry worried about Stephen O'Neill? I'm sure they are, cause most of Tyrone is worried about what impact Stephen O'Neill will have, so nothing new in that.
As with the last couple of games, Tyrone will play their own game, not what they think Kerry will or won't be expecting. Given the strength of the Kerry team, Mickey will have to play to our strengths, rather than Kerry's weaknesses (as there aren't many).
You'll forgive us for being excited, not having had many AIFs to attend but all this psycho-crap about expectations is exactly that. We're just crazily hyped up, and as in many cases, the chase is more enjoyable than the catch, so I'm embracing the run up to this match wholeheartedly.
Anyone shed any light on where Dooher has been, he hasnt been training lately or even seen in a while now??
Maybe he away growing a beard?
Seán Moran, in today's Irish Times, and where the only word missing from Micko's tirade against Down is 'puke' ;)
History not on Kerry's side this time around
Tyrone are the last team the champions would have wanted to face at this juncture, writes Seán Moran
IN THE rush to memorialise Kilkenny's achievement in winning a third successive All-Ireland, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that Kerry are one match away from doing the same thing.
There are reasons for this. Kilkenny have broken new ground by going to the top of the roll of honour for the first time and hadn't previously won three in a row on the field of play. Kerry, on the other hand, have led football's role of honour since 1941 and won four three-in-a-row sequences.
The hurling champions are a great deal farther in front of the current field than their football counterparts and there is an acceptance that those governing circumstances won't be changing any time soon. It could be argued that for all the unease triggered by Kilkenny's absolute dominion in the MacCarthy Cup, Kerry have been leaving similarly little to chance in recent years. The county's last three All-Ireland wins have been by virtually the same cumulative margin as Kilkenny's (31 as against 33).
That would be misleading because Kerry's one-sided track record in finals obscures the essential competitiveness of the football championship. Whereas Kilkenny have never had much use for the qualifier route - none of their six All-Irelands this decade were sullied by a single defeat along the way - Kerry have been grateful for its indulgence in 2006 and not least, this year.
In fact this year's football final marks a historic juncture in the All-Ireland championships, being the first to be contested between two previously defeated teams.
This competitiveness is what maintains the football championship as the best-attended sports competition in the country. There may be poor-quality matches and questionable levels of sportsmanship but there is also a great sense of the possible about the championship that allows counties to emerge from virtually nowhere and get a run maybe all the way to Croke Park.
Few aspects of football history are as competitive as that between Kerry and Ulster. The province has a reverence for Kerry football that never stoops to obsequiousness. In the days when Mick O'Dwyer's teams ruled football, they could be guaranteed a good rattle when going north for league matches - from teams that could hardly lay a finger on them during the summer.
But the championship record between Kerry and Ulster teams is surprisingly balanced. To a far greater degree than teams from the other two provinces, northern counties have a very robust record. In fact, Ulster is the only province to be able to boast a trade surplus in All-Ireland finals with Kerry.
Unsurprisingly this has led to friction. By virtue of their historically less frequent victories and the range of winners (for example five in the last 15 years), counties from the north have tended to ascribe innovative properties to their successes, whether in terms of technical advances in training or other idiosyncratic methods of preparation.
Former Down captain Joe Lennon, a founding father in the field of modern Irish physical education and author of several coaching manuals, famously declared Kerry football 30 years behind the times.
O'Dwyer, whose playing career was blighted by Down's pioneering successes in the 1960s had a recriminatory view of the Ulster county's emergence, which was bluntly stated in the mid-1970s: "I think Down did a lot of damage to Gaelic football. They broke the ball a lot and they played it very close and marked tightly. They weren't playing the ball that much but they played the man quite a lot. I suppose it paid dividends for them. They fouled men in the centre of the field - and won All-Irelands with it. But it was not a good thing for the game."
By the time of his autobiography Blessed and Obsessed (with Martin Breheny, 2007), O'Dwyer's views hadn't changed greatly.
"On the minus side they introduced a degree of negativity, which must have been pre-planned. They had no qualms whatsoever about fouling a player well out the field.
"The free had to be taken from the ground back then giving them time to regroup, which they did most effectively. I would be the first to pay tribute to Down for the many positive and creative aspects they used such as off-the-ball running, support play, accurate passing and ball retention but there's no doubt they also exploited as much negativity as they thought they could get away with. There were no 'ticks' or yellow cards, which meant that provided the challenge wasn't of the seriously 'dirty' variety, a player could foul as much as he liked without any consequences other than giving away a free.
"Down used that to good effect so it was very difficult to build up any momentum against . . . I know they have always denied that deliberate fouling was part of their plan but I played against them often enough to suspect that it most definitely was."
Ulster teams have thwarted Kerry at significant moments in football history. It was Cavan who put a stop to Kerry's first five-in-a-row attempt by defeating them in the 1933 All-Ireland semi-final. Fourteen years later the same counties contested the historic Polo Grounds final and again Cavan were the winners. Arguably Tyrone's defeat of Kerry three years ago derailed what could have been another three-in-a-row.
That defeat together with the '03 semi-final blitz and Armagh's All-Ireland win a year previously have meant this decade has been another when northern football has forced the agenda. If the 2003 meeting was a bolt from the blue it was also a learning experience and two years later Kerry were fully confident they had absorbed the necessary lessons and so the failure to match Tyrone's speed of thought and movement was almost more demoralising.
In Kerry there is acknowledgment that, because of this recent history, Tyrone are about the last opponents the champions would have wanted to see waiting at the end of the road. It is a chance for Kerry to balance the books with Tyrone but with that opportunity comes the nagging anxiety that this is a test where history isn't on their side.
Just got guaranteed a ticket happy days, I can't wait!!! Honestly wish everyone else good luck tryin to get theirs great sense of relief when you're told definite yes...i'll have a pint when I get it in my hand!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 17, 2008, 01:07:05 PM
Former Down captain Joe Lennon, a founding father in the field of modern Irish physical education and author of several coaching manuals, famously declared Kerry football 30 years behind the times.
I remember at a Down game possibly against Kerry, a Kerry family member loudly quipping after Joe pulled off a dubious stroke "I didn't read about that one in the book Joe".
I detected some "resentment" :) about the nerve of an upstart, a non Kerryman writing a Gaelic coaching manual.
Got my ticket :D
http://www.gaa.ulsterbank.com/news.html/3474
Peter The Rebel has spoken ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 17, 2008, 01:07:05 PM
Seán Moran, in today's Irish Times, and where the only word missing from Micko's tirade against Down is 'puke' ;)
History not on Kerry's side this time around
O'Dwyer, whose playing career was blighted by Down's pioneering successes in the 1960s had a recriminatory view of the Ulster county's emergence, which was bluntly stated in the mid-1970s: "I think Down did a lot of damage to Gaelic football. They broke the ball a lot and they played it very close and marked tightly. They weren't playing the ball that much but they played the man quite a lot. I suppose it paid dividends for them. They fouled men in the centre of the field - and won All-Irelands with it. But it was not a good thing for the game."
By the time of his autobiography Blessed and Obsessed (with Martin Breheny, 2007), O'Dwyer's views hadn't changed greatly.
"On the minus side they introduced a degree of negativity, which must have been pre-planned. They had no qualms whatsoever about fouling a player well out the field.
"The free had to be taken from the ground back then giving them time to regroup, which they did most effectively. I would be the first to pay tribute to Down for the many positive and creative aspects they used such as off-the-ball running, support play, accurate passing and ball retention but there's no doubt they also exploited as much negativity as they thought they could get away with. There were no 'ticks' or yellow cards, which meant that provided the challenge wasn't of the seriously 'dirty' variety, a player could foul as much as he liked without any consequences other than giving away a free.
"Down used that to good effect so it was very difficult to build up any momentum against . . . I know they have always denied that deliberate fouling was part of their plan but I played against them often enough to suspect that it most definitely was."
Micko should read up on reports of the 1946 semi final to see which county was the first to use deliberate fouling as a tactic. >:(
Canavan? Canavan? Sure what the feck would he know about anything!?
Quote"It's a massive gamble from the point of view of bringing someone in so late and disrupting the team dynamic and the morale that existed before Stephen came back, " said Canavan. "The boys will tell you that the subs were training every bit as hard as anyone and there was a great team ethic. We're hoping this hasn't been affected. "There's a chance that when you take in anybody at such a late stage, before an occasion like that, that you are going to affect harmony, no matter how welcome they are. "That's the gamble and if Tyrone lose then that's what people are going to say cost them. Mickey took a huge gamble in a final before and it worked for him so we'll take it that he's made the right call, " he added.
Its exactly the same as most journalists and analysts have been saying since it happened.
Nice try fat boy, but no story here im afraid !
What language were you thinking in when you named this thread Tony?
Quote from: Rois on September 17, 2008, 02:48:11 PM
What language were you thinking in when you named this thread Tony?
Ulster Scot?
sure the players voted him back in so how the hell is that a gamble? they wanted him and they got him! no story here !!
I'd say the same is happening in the Kerry camp if Paul Galvin gets a startinmg berth. Who drops off?
Canavan's doing us all a favour. Putting rumours out that all is not well in the Tyrone camp to lure the Kerry boys into a fault sense of security. Sssh don't tell on ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on September 17, 2008, 03:00:29 PM
Canavan's doing us all a favour. Putting rumours out that all is not well in the Tyrone camp to lure the Kerry boys into a fault sense of security. Sssh don't tell on ;)
Aiiiii good thinking batman !!
Should have been merged into a "Tony" thread mods!!
Don't know. I can see serious bloodletting in the Tyrone camp if this huge gamble backfires. Harte has unwisely put the blame on himself here. If S O'N plays and helps Tyrone win he (O'Neill) will get all the credit. Meanwhile if he plays and remains anonymous (just like he did throughout the Championship in 2007) Harte will get the blame.
I fear a public hanging at the hands of a (John) lynch mob in Aughnacloy next Monday night, if Harte even survives past Ardee
Have I not said in a previous post that I'd like to see Tyrone win? This dissention in the camp is disturbing though
Terrible alright
PTG is not 'in the camp', so whatever dissension there is is firmly beyond the boundaries, and I don't necessarily believe that PTG is in dissent, since he rounds it off with "...Mickey took a huge gamble in a final before and it worked for him so we'll take it that he's made the right call".
QuoteDon't know. I can see serious bloodletting in the Tyrone camp if this huge gamble backfires. Harte has unwisely put the blame on himself here. If S O'N plays and helps Tyrone win he (O'Neill) will get all the credit. Meanwhile if he plays and remains anonymous (just like he did throughout the Championship in 2007) Harte will get the blame.
I fear a public hanging at the hands of a (John) lynch mob in Aughnacloy next Monday night, if Harte even survives past Ardee
Just like he did in 2007? What are you spouting? He barely played in last years championship due to injury although he did make a few substitute appearances.
Think we have to make time today to recognise the unparalleled sportsmanship of Ryan McMeniman, even as he prepares for this important game he takes the time to think of others in their time of need. Respect Ricey!
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He includes Paul Galvin because, McMenamin feels, the Kerry captain will have his role to play on Sunday.
"It would be nice to see him come on. I think we always have a few run-ins.
"It would be nice to see Paul getting a run and I am not saying that in a smart way," he laughed.
"He is the Kerry captain and maybe he was a bit harshly done by. I can feel for him. I have been in that situation with the authorities in Croke Park. Yeah, he is back and he is going to give them a big boost. If I see Paul back I am sure that I will say hello to him!"
Hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm!!!
Call me sceptical but I don't believe when ricey says he will say hello to Galvin it will be in the friendly sense ;D
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 17, 2008, 06:26:50 PM
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He includes Paul Galvin because, McMenamin feels, the Kerry captain will have his role to play on Sunday.
"It would be nice to see him come on. I think we always have a few run-ins.
"It would be nice to see Paul getting a run and I am not saying that in a smart way," he laughed.
"He is the Kerry captain and maybe he was a bit harshly done by. I can feel for him. I have been in that situation with the authorities in Croke Park. Yeah, he is back and he is going to give them a big boost. If I see Paul back I am sure that I will say hello to him!"
wasnt going to mention this (for fear of gloating) but i had a dream the other night and nicky brennan looked very embarrassed when he handed sam to paul ;D bet he wished he'd stayed quite
Quote from: D4S on September 17, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
Hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm!!!
Call me sceptical but I don't believe when ricey says he will say hello to Galvin it will be in the friendly sense ;D
Jaysus you're an awful cynic, is there no room in the modern game for two fellas who play a good hardy game to have a bit of respect for each other?
When is the team named? Tomorrow night?
Think Brian McGuigan will definitely start, he is one of Harte's most trusted generals and on All Ireland final day you want your best players on the pitch - Harte has showed that earlier in the season when he really wanted Brian playing so I dont expect it to be any different on Sunday. Mickey always throws in at least one surprise to keep everyone guessing and this time I think it will be Hub who will be sent to have a battle royale with Dara O'Shea.
Can't wait for this and I'm also expecting a surprise in there somewhere.
Looking at the Kerry full-forward line you'll have Donaghy, Walsh and Cooper in all likelihood.
Justin McMahon is well-suited to Donaghy and can be expected to be assigned to that. Cooper will be followed by either Conor Gormley or McMenamin. Can't see Gourley being assigned that role and can't see Harte putting him one on one with Walsh either. Would Joe McMahon be an option in defence to cope with the strength in there? Suppose it depends on whether those three play in the ff line but Walsh has done serious damage in the first half of every game he's played.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 17, 2008, 08:26:16 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 17, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
Hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm!!!
Call me sceptical but I don't believe when ricey says he will say hello to Galvin it will be in the friendly sense ;D
Jaysus you're an awful cynic, is there no room in the modern game for two fellas who play a good hardy game to have a bit of respect for each other?
I'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle but I don't think I'm being a cynic. I'm sure when McMenamin said I'll say hello to him he said it with a rye smile on his face...I'm sure you know that as much as I do, would love to see Tyrone winning playing the great team football they played against Dublin & Wexford and let Kerry let themselves down with any antagonising goading behaviour as has crept in to their game this year!
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 17, 2008, 08:34:14 PM
Mickey always throws in at least one surprise to keep everyone guessing and this time I think it will be Hub who will be sent to have a battle royale with Dara O'Shea.
You mightn't be a million miles off there LL, had the same thought.
Quote from: Rois on September 17, 2008, 10:07:09 AM
OK Mike, I've read this a few times and still trying to get to grips with the point you're trying to make, and getting very bored while doing so, "internal scrips", constant repetition of the work "assumptions" etc.
Tyrone people are assuming that things will go our way? Are you mad? We're absolutely hopping with joy to be in the final when back in June we weren't "assuming" we'd be anywhere near.
Kerry worried about Stephen O'Neill? I'm sure they are, cause most of Tyrone is worried about what impact Stephen O'Neill will have, so nothing new in that.
As with the last couple of games, Tyrone will play their own game, not what they think Kerry will or won't be expecting. Given the strength of the Kerry team, Mickey will have to play to our strengths, rather than Kerry's weaknesses (as there aren't many).
You'll forgive us for being excited, not having had many AIFs to attend but all this psycho-crap about expectations is exactly that. We're just crazily hyped up, and as in many cases, the chase is more enjoyable than the catch, so I'm embracing the run up to this match wholeheartedly.
Maybe you should learn to type yourself before criticizing how I choose to illustrate a point.
QuoteI'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle
Are there any Downmen that have not jumped on the Tyrone bandwagon ?
Its one thing to support another team from your province but some of the biggest Tyrone cheerleaders on here seem to be from Down. Its quite pathetic...have ye no pride at all ?
The 2 McMahons in the full back line? Stevie to start then? Gourley to lose out?
Quote from: magickingdom on September 17, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
wasnt going to mention this (for fear of gloating) but i had a dream the other night and nicky brennan looked very embarrassed when he handed sam to paul ;D bet he wished he'd stayed quite
;D
What bout this:
J Devine
R McMenamin
Joe McMahon
Justy McMahin
D Harte
C Gormley
P Jordan
E McGinley
S Cavanagh
B Dooher
B McGuigan
R Mellon
C McCullagh
S O'Neill
T McGuigan
It would be some gamble to start O'Neill - dont even know if Harte would chance it. Might be more realistic for Cavanagh to be full forward and Holmes/Hughes or Mellon midfield. He might have his mind made up that Joe McMahon is best deployed at half forward and Gourley is a better option in full back line. Even at this stage of year the team selection in pretty unpredictable.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 17, 2008, 09:05:32 PM
QuoteI'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle
Are there any Downmen that have not jumped on the Tyrone bandwagon ?
Its one thing to support another team from your province but some of the biggest Tyrone cheerleaders on here seem to be from Down. Its quite pathetic...have ye no pride at all ?
Where's the love Mikey? Where's the love? We should all be celebrating together as we prepare for the biggest occasion in the sporting calendar!!!
I think he'll name this:
1. Devine
2. McMenamim
3. Justin McMahon
4. Gourley
5. Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Hughes
9. McGinley
10. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. Joe McMahon
13. McCullagh
14. Cavanagh
15. T McGuigan
And the switch straighaway will involve Gormley going to full-back on Donaghy, McMahon moving over to mark Walsh, and Gourley going to CHB. I imagine Hub and Cavanagh will do a bit of switching around during the game, and that McCullagh won't spent a whole big amount of time in the corner.
Anyone else starting to suffer from article overload? After reading a plethora of Tyrone Kerry articles this past few weeks, I've had enough-just can't take any more cliches, suppositions, etc. I think almost every angle has been covered, yet, no-one will be able to predict exactly what will happen this Sunday when the whistle is blown. That's the beauty of this game, that's what's exciting. I went to Austin stacks earlier this year and hand on my heart thought that I had never saw two teams play a more honest game of league football-it was a pleasure and it stood testament to the mutual respect that Kerry and Tyrone have for each other. A good, tough, clean game, a privelage to watch. Will look forward to Up for the Match which captures the real spirit of the All-Ireland final-no twisted bickering, a bit of light hearted slaggin and a crowd of excited people from two different parts of the country celebrating the day ahead. I hope both Kerry and Tyrone fans enjoy the game (almost) equally! Roll on Sunday (Damn-another article!)
I agree 100 % with you . Safe trip to every one and enjoy the weekend
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 10:06:59 PM
I think he'll name this:
1. Devine
2. McMenamim
3. Justin McMahon
4. Gourley
5. Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Hughes Mellon
9. McGinley
10. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. Joe McMahon
13. McCullagh
14. Cavanagh
15. T McGuigan
And the switch straighaway will involve Gormley going to full-back on Donaghy, McMahon moving over to mark Walsh, and Gourley going to CHB. I imagine Hub and Cavanagh will do a bit of switching around during the game, and that McCullagh won't spent a whole big amount of time in the corner.
I think that's the team alright maybe with the exception of Mellon along side McGinley if he's fit to go,
I do expect to see a lot of tactical switches going on in the first 10 mins, a big test for Pat O'Shea,
this one might well come down to the calls made on the line
How many subs (not including blood subs) can you make in senior chamionship football?
Quote from: Tyrones own on September 18, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 10:06:59 PM
I think he'll name this:
1. Devine
2. McMenamim
3. Justin McMahon
4. Gourley
5. Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Hughes Mellon
9. McGinley
10. Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. Joe McMahon
13. McCullagh
14. Cavanagh
15. T McGuigan
And the switch straighaway will involve Gormley going to full-back on Donaghy, McMahon moving over to mark Walsh, and Gourley going to CHB. I imagine Hub and Cavanagh will do a bit of switching around during the game, and that McCullagh won't spent a whole big amount of time in the corner.
I think that's the team alright maybe with the exception of Mellon along side McGinley if he's fit to go,
I do expect to see a lot of tactical switches going on in the first 10 mins, a big test for Pat O'Shea,
this one might well come down to the calls made on the line
I agree with our last statement...and no better man in the country than The Beard!
QuoteHow many subs (not including blood subs) can you make in senior chamionship football?
5
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 17, 2008, 09:05:32 PM
QuoteI'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle
Are there any Downmen that have not jumped on the Tyrone bandwagon ?
Its one thing to support another team from your province but some of the biggest Tyrone cheerleaders on here seem to be from Down. Its quite pathetic...have ye no pride at all ?
Anseo
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 18, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 17, 2008, 09:05:32 PM
QuoteI'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle
Are there any Downmen that have not jumped on the Tyrone bandwagon ?
Its one thing to support another team from your province but some of the biggest Tyrone cheerleaders on here seem to be from Down. Its quite pathetic...have ye no pride at all ?
Anseo
You're just prevented someone having either an apoplectic fit or a cardiac arrest, maith thú.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 17, 2008, 09:05:32 PM
QuoteI'm a Down man who will be there cheering Tyrone on to the final whistle
Are there any Downmen that have not jumped on the Tyrone bandwagon ?
Its one thing to support another team from your province but some of the biggest Tyrone cheerleaders on here seem to be from Down. Its quite pathetic...have ye no pride at all ?
Mike sorry I should have put brackets and explained my life story for you!!!
I will be there cheering Tyrone on as I will be getting married to a Tyrone girl in 2weeks, we have a house bought in Tyrone which I will be moving into on return from my honeymoon, and I spend a lot of time up there and have many Tyrone friends. I don't know anyone in Kerry at all I'm not getting married to a Kerry girl, therefore I won't be moving there, and I also don't spend anytime there(although we did holiday there last year), so is it ok if I cheer Tyrone on as opposed to Kerry???
May I also add that my future wife and I fell out at both the Down v Tyrone games this year in Omagh and Newry ;D!
Having considered the plaintiff's submissions, it is the decision of this tribunal that he has failed to disprove the charge of bandwaggoning. This judge married a Louth woman but doesn't support the wee footballers; he lives in Cork but is a vehement anti-langer; he owns a dog but doesn't bark.
Ah come on Hardy!!
All circumstances have to be taken into consideration. It is a matter of who I would prefer to see winning in this instance alone!
In last years ulster final I wanted Monaghan to win. If tyrone were playing for example FERMANAGH in an all ireland final I would like to see them win...All things considered for this final I will be cheering Tyrone!
An appeal shall be launched forthwith on the strict assertion of apples being compared to oranges (or Meath people being compared to anyone else). The judge, being a Meath man, surely invalidates himself and his summing up by dint of that very fact, given that anyone, anything or otherwise, can surely be extracted from Meath, but Meath can never be extracted from aforementioned object. Such therefore would surely render this as egregious an example of a miscarriage of justice as could possibly exist, obviously.
Quote from: Hardy on September 18, 2008, 02:50:08 PM
Having considered the plaintiff's submissions, it is the decision of this tribunal that he has failed to disprove the charge of bandwaggoning. This judge married a Louth woman but doesn't support the wee footballers; he lives in Cork but is a vehement anti-langer; he owns a dog but doesn't bark.
I bet if they were playing Dublin, Kerry, Cork etc you would want the wee county to win!
This tribunal takes a very dim view of back-chat from the dock and will not at all tolerate comments from the public gallery, particularly when it is perished with the cold up here. If there are any more unseemly outbursts I will ask the bailiff to clear the court. Take him down.
That's pathetic D4S. you may have some reason to not mind seeing some county win rather than another but actively crediting these superficial circumstances as justification for adopting another county is pathetic. i suppose you support down, man u, munster, celtic and tyrone but aren't sure in which particular order?
I'm not adopting another county whatsoever it is a case of who I would most like to win and yes I will cheer for Tyrone, but I will always be a Down man through and through!
If you want me to rank my teams it would be my club first, then Down not overly bothered about soccer ;D
If I get you guys tickets for sunday could i get off with just a community service order...or even a suspended sentence?
I have my 2 for myself and the mrs to be all sorted ;)
you'll cheer for tyrone?
i cheer only for my club, county and woman stripping...
I'm going for another unchanged line-up on paper tonight with Holmes named and O'Neill not.
McMen - Just - Gourl
Harte - Gorm - Jord
Holmes - McGin
Doo - McGuig - Joe
McCull - Cav - McGuig
However, the team that lines out may veer from that slightly.
Hearing fierce rumours at the minute that Audi Hamilton was seen running up and down Scotch St in Dungannon and is fighting fit.
I'll be cheering for Tyrone (not only for the sake of the beautiful game ;D)
and féck the bandwagon begrudgers.
Tyrone Power to cut the Kerry giants down.
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Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 03:35:45 PM
I'll be cheering for Tyrone (not only for the sake of the beautiful game ;D)
and féck the bandwagon begrudgers.
Tyrone Power to cut the Kerry giants down.
Not before p*ssing themselves it seems.
Quote from: offtheground on September 18, 2008, 07:45:58 AM
How many subs (not including blood subs) can you make in senior chamionship football?
5
I see Jerome is presenting the final on the BBC with Austin on the radio. Why the swap?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/7618393.stm
I'll be supporting Tyrone to the hilt as I hate Kerry.
But will you be roaring and shouting?
No SON!! What's the take?
GAA All Ireland Final 2008
Tyrone Team v Kerry
1. John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
2. Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
3. Jusin McMahon An Omaigh
4. Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
5. Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7. Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8. Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
9. Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
10. Brian Dooher (C ) Clann na nGael
11. Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
12. Joseph McMahon An Omaigh
13. Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
14. Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15. Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
16. Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17. Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18. Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19. Peter Donnelly Oilean a'Ghuail
20. Niall Gormley Trí Leac
21. Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
22. Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
23. Damian McCaul Domhnach Mór
24. Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
25. Ryan Mellon An Mhaigh
26. Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chriochach
27. Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
28. Shaun O'Neill An Droim Mhór
29. Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Aráin
30. P J Quinn Baile na Móna
Where did you get this healy? is it official?
Perhaps a typo in missing Johnny Curran, Paul Quinn & SON. Taken from the tyrone gaa website. Is it restricted to 30 listed players?
unless someone has hacked http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=688
Quote from: The GAA on September 18, 2008, 04:48:58 PM
But will you be roaring and shouting?
Depends how gassed I get.
From the Irish Times breaking news:
No place for O'Neill in Tyrone squad
Stephen O'Neill will play no part in this Sunday's All-Ireland final having been omitted from the Tyrone squad for the decider against Kerry. The former footballer of the year was expected to be involved at some stage after his decision to come out of retirement a fortnight ago.
Having previously indicated otherwise, Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has opted not to recall the marksman and instead sticks with the personnel that helped the county reach the final.
Harte has made one change to his starting line-up, bringing in Brian McGuigan at centre forward with Martin Penrose dropping to the bench.
Kerry will name their side later this evening.
Tyrone : J Devine, R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, C Gourley, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, C Holmes, E McGinley, B Dooher, B McGuigan, Joe McMahon, T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Well it just goes to prove..............
............Ziggys is a lier! How could you Zig? >:(
Harte can only officially name 30 players for a championship match, no matter how many he has in his training panel. And the team info would have to been sent to Croke Park on probably Sun or Monday to facilitate programmes.
It'll be interesting to see who now gives up his seat on the bench to allow O'Neill to be included as a programme change, maybe his namesake from Dromore.
apparently a county official is quoted as saying "he isn't ready."
Was phoning mickey there to find out the craic, straight onto voicemail, what is the criac with people and turning their mobiles off ;)
What's the Bearded Genius up to?
This 1-30 means nothing as the starting 15 will change and SON can still play as number 31 or 32.
Drumraghs chat night from Sallys featuring Joe Brolly, Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh,Martin Mc Hugh and others will be broadcast on highland radio. Coverage starts at around 8.20pm ( i think )
May be off interest to some of you quite a distance away.
http://www.highlandradio.com/streaming.php#
Mickey Harte is giving an exclusive interview to the BBC tonight at 6.30pm over SON. Sounds interesting...
thanks for the link Bensars
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
How many players are actually on the Tyrone panel? I've heard 32, 36 and 43 at different stages. Anyone know for definite?
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
How many players are actually on the Tyrone panel? I've heard 32, 36 and 43 at different stages. Anyone know for definite?
89
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
Can see no logical reason to bring him back if he is not even making the sub bench. Detect a ruse, anyone?
I guess we'll find out on Sunday if he's on the sub bench or not.
Very surprised to see Collie Holmes starting.
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
Can see no logical reason to bring him back if he is not even making the sub bench. Detect a ruse, anyone?
I think he came back rather than be brought back. 2009 2010 etc are logical reason for him to come back.
Geez lads!
Was just chatting to a fella in Aughabrack. As Stephen was 'in the panel' he did not put his name down for a ticket. As such he has missed the ticket deadline at the Clann club and won't even see the match!
If anyone has a spare hill ticket he'd take it. That's the word on the streets.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 18, 2008, 06:01:45 PM
Geez lads!
Was just chatting to a fella in Aughabrack. As Stephen was 'in the panel' he did not put his name down for a ticket. As such he has missed the ticket deadline at the Clann club and won't even see the match!
If anyone has a spare hill ticket he'd take it. That's the word on the streets.
IT was all a ploy by the Clann to play mind games in the Kilmacud 7s. SON will be lining out for them on Saturday. No one seen it coming. The Clann men can keep a secret. Fuzzman put 5 euro on the Clanns to win the tournament this morning.That's why he is organising the pints at the match, he thinks he will have a few bob ;)
I heard Brian Dooher is lining out for Clanns as well with Mickey Harte naming himself as Tyrone captain for Sunday!!
Strange happenings afoot. I hope it is mind games.
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 05:52:26 PM
I guess we'll find out on Sunday if he's on the sub bench or not.
Very surprised to see Collie Holmes starting.
Maybe S O'Neill is injured! It'll give them a chance to use that excuse anyway :P
MH has just said on the BBC that SON will be available for selection this Sunday. Feckin' mind games is bad for my heart ;)
He'll be there.
Harte just confirmed on BBC live interview, SON will def be available for selection
Jaysus lads could ye make up yere minds - is he in or not. Pat O'Shea has only got a couple of hours to name his team and he's very worried about this.
Yere luck that it isn't Cork in the final as Frank Murphy would find a rule to stop this frightful display of shenanigans. ;)
CANAVAN CAN APPEAR IN FINAL
Seven Tyrone players will start their third All-Ireland senior football final in six years when Tyrone take on champions Kerry in the most keenly anticipated Sam Maguire shootout in years at Croke Park this Sunday (3.30pm).
Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley and Philip Jordan were all key members of the Tyrone defence in the 2003 title-clinching victory over Armagh and were instrumental again in the 2005 triumph over Kerry, while Brian Dooher and Brian McGuigan comprised two-thirds of the Tyrone half-forward line in both of those famous victories.
And Enda McGinley and Sean Cavanagh were also vital components of the 2003 and 2005 All-Ireland final teams, the pair teaming up at midfield in the final three years ago, after McGinley had lined out in the full-forward line and Cavanagh at midfield two years earlier. Five years on, their roles are reversed.
These seven players were named today in Mickey Harte's side to face Kerry in the 2008 showpiece, the starting team announced earlier than usual after the Tyrone squad had spent the day together in preparation for Sunday's huge assignment. After a round of golf at Fintona Golf Course in the morning they had lunch at Kelly's Inn and finished off with a training session at Dunmoyle.
The biggest news from the announcement of the team and subs is the omission of Stephen O'Neill's name from the list of thirty. O'Neill made a sensational return to the Tyrone camp two weeks ago and was tipped to play some part on All-Ireland final day but, despite not making the 'thirty', it appears he could still be available to play a part.
Tyrone's starting fifteen for the county's biggest game in three years shows one change to the team that started the six-point semi-final win over Wexford. Brian McGuigan, who was a late absentee from the starting lineout last time, goes back into the side in place of the man who was drafted in to replace him in that fixture, Martin Penrose.
On top of the vast All-Ireland experience offered by seven members of the Tyrone team, Collie Holmes is also looking forward to a third All-Ireland final appearance after coming on as a sub in the previous two finals. This time Holmes is handed a midfield start as a partner to Enda McGinley.
A further four players are poised to make their second start in an All-Ireland senior final. John Devine and Ciaran Gourley took part in the 2003 final, while Davy Harte and Joe McMahon were big contributors in the 2005 final, the latter now set to perform a wing half-forward role after fulfilling the full-back duties three years ago.
Now the full-back responsibilities have been handed to Joe's brother, Justin McMahon, one of three players ready to make their first SFC final appearance. Colm McCullagh, a squad member in 2005, and Tommy McGuigan are also looking forward to the biggest outing of their inter-county careers.
Eight Tyrone players will make their eighth starting appearance in the 2008 championship on Sunday, including five defenders, Justin McMahon, Ryan McMenamin, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley and Philip Jordan, plus Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher and Colm McCullagh.
Another three players, Tommy McGuigan, Joe McMahon and Martin Penrose, have also featured in all seven championship outings to date but some of their appearances were as substitutes, while John Devine, Enda McGinley, Brian McGuigan and Colin Holmes have all chalked up six SFC appearances so far in 2008.
In terms of significant appearances this weekend, Brian Dooher's championship career, which began in 1996, is about to move on to 58 appearances, which puts him eight ahead of Peter Canavan, while Ryan McMenamin is about to reach a very significant milestone in his Tyrone career as he prepares for his 50th senior championship assignment.
Philip Jordan, meanwhile, is set to stretch his run of consecutive championship starting appearances (all in the same position) to 46. The Moy half-back has started every single championship game for Tyrone since he made his debut in 2002. His half-back partner, Conor Gormley, is on the same appearance total, having missed just one senior championship game (against Laois, 2006) since launching his inter-county career.
The Tyrone squad for this weekend's showdown has fifteen players bidding to win a third All-Ireland senior medal and seven players striving to pick up their second.
The remaining eleven panellists, including two starters, Justin McMahon and Tommy McGuigan, are hoping to be in possession of their first Celtic Cross come Sunday night.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 18, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
Can see no logical reason to bring him back if he is not even making the sub bench. Detect a ruse, anyone?
I think he came back rather than be brought back. 2009 2010 etc are logical reason for him to come back.
True, but why not wait one more match?
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 18, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
Can see no logical reason to bring him back if he is not even making the sub bench. Detect a ruse, anyone?
I think he came back rather than be brought back. 2009 2010 etc are logical reason for him to come back.
True, but why not wait one more match?
To play at least some part in the first part of the great Tyrone 3 in a row team.
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 07:36:23 PM
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 18, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Time for Kerry to ponder,
not even a resurgent Stephen O'Neill can get a place amongst the substitutes.
Can see no logical reason to bring him back if he is not even making the sub bench. Detect a ruse, anyone?
I think he came back rather than be brought back. 2009 2010 etc are logical reason for him to come back.
True, but why not wait one more match?
To play at least some part in the first part of the great Tyrone 3 in a row team.
Rather selfish of him then if that's the case. Can't see him thinking like that.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 18, 2008, 05:01:47 PM
Well it just goes to prove..............
............Ziggys is a lier! How could you Zig? >:(
Mickey came to my defense on the BBC news Norf. SON is on the panel. Don't question me again boyo!!!
3 in what row?
Ah right.
Feet firmly on the ground in the bushes, I see.
Quote from: Hardy on September 18, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
Ah right.
Feet firmly on the ground in the bushes, I see.
As the beard says..'you have to believe it for it to happen..'!
I take it Harte didn't name him in the 30 to ease the pain slightly on the person making way on Sunday? The player who misses out will be named in the press, programme etc, will get his All-Ireland final jersey with a number less than 30 on his back. It's the only reason I see behind it as Harte said on the BBC that the list was given out at start of week and was not as if O'Neill wasn't back on the panel at this stage. Also it may be looked upon as more hype about O'Neill taking the pressure away from others but Harte has clearly stated tonight he will be involved so that myth is also gone.
Or perhaps Harte will tell all players to tog out and just take a fine for togging out more than the 30 players allowed, thus leaving it no difference what number O'Neill was given?
Quote from: Hardy on September 18, 2008, 02:50:08 PM
This judge married a Louth woman but doesn't support the wee footballers;
If/when the Wee County gets to an All-Ireland final and you're not supporting them, she'll be your ex-Louth woman rather sharpish.
Quote from: Hardy on September 18, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
Ah right.
Feet firmly on the ground in the bushes, I see.
They are just explaining my post to you Hardy (as if it was that complicated :))
Those Tyrone lads are not making the great optimistic predictions.
I am not a Tyrone man, so I am speaking objectively about this new era in Gaelic football.
Quite likely Bomber I'd guess. Anyone struggling with injury in the squad?
No, I'm not predicting 2008 2009 and 2010. Just 2008 for now ;)
Quote from: Bomber on September 18, 2008, 07:46:05 PM
I take it Harte didn't name him in the 30 to ease the pain slightly on the person making way on Sunday? The player who misses out will be named in the press, programme etc, will get his All-Ireland final jersey with a number less than 30 on his back. It's the only reason I see behind it as Harte said on the BBC that the list was given out at start of week and was not as if O'Neill wasn't back on the panel at this stage. Also it may be looked upon as more hype about O'Neill taking the pressure away from others but Harte has clearly stated tonight he will be involved so that myth is also gone.
Or perhaps Harte will tell all players to tog out and just take a fine for togging out more than the 30 players allowed, thus leaving it no difference what number O'Neill was given?
Good thinking Bomber.
But am I right in thinking that only 30 can sit on the bench and the 20 players you can use on the day can only come from a list of 30 names they'll give before the match?
I remember (back when panel sizes were 24 max) that Jamsie O'Connor came on wearing number 27 or something with his arm in a cast and Míchéal was going ape-shit about it. He came out with some great quotes that day.
Michael Harte has played a blinder the last 2 weeks, Throwing O'Neill name out into the fray after the semi final has diverted attention away from the rest of the players , whether O'Neill has trained or not is here nor there , its has had the desired effect. Has there been injuries in the camp, no one knows, as all any of the media have picked up on or been fed is how well O'Neill has been going in training.
And now "dropping" O'Neill from the match day panel will again focus the media and everyone else on what Tyrone are playing at.
The 30 players named today are only jersey numbers and I'd expect some change(s) to the actual line up come Sunday. And If O'Neill has been training and has done as well as the media spin has him playing he will be sprung at sometime on Sunday, wearing a Number 31 or some such number, sure it will get ye Tyrone bies all excited seeing him warm up anyway. I feel sorry for the Tyrone sub who will be "injured" off to accomodate O'Neill, I see Jonathan Curran has also got the bullet today.
Yerra never believe a team lined up on a biteen of Paper for the media, against the Langers in the replay we named Michéal Quirke as a corner back on the team given out to RTE :P and I am sure the Kerry team will have a surprise or 2 in store for Tyrone when we line up on Sunday never mind the team being released tonight.
Keep her lit Micky, manager of the year.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2008, 07:54:46 PM
Keep her lit Micky, manager of the year.
Surely that's Brian Cody ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opr4SHNG5NI&feature=email (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opr4SHNG5NI&feature=email)
Its offical Canavan Wont be back .
Two very good interviews with not a hint of spin from either side ;)
Where's Cormac McGinley at this year?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 18, 2008, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 18, 2008, 05:01:47 PM
Well it just goes to prove..............
............Ziggys is a lier! How could you Zig? >:(
Mickey came to my defense on the BBC news Norf. SON is on the panel. Don't question me again boyo!!!
He said 'O Neill' was available for selection. He didn't specify Stephen. I still cannae trust you Ziggy. I am sorry but you hurt me when your wild stories!
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Where's Cormac McGinley at this year?
Withdrew from the panel before the beginning of the year, mainly due to an injury I believe.
Stevie O'Neill will be stripping out on Sunday - a very good source
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Like father like Son.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Where's Cormac McGinley at this year?
Withdrew from the panel before the beginning of the year, mainly due to an injury I believe.
What about the likes of Brendan Boggs, Fabian O'Neill, Kevin McNally, Martin Swift, Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, John Gilmore, Conal Martin, Ciaran Donnelly, Paul Marlow, Colm Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron (Omagh) and Paul Rouse... how many of them are still in the Tyrone panel? There's also a McGurk, Murphy and Treanor training with Tyrone at the start of the year, all of whoms first names escape me at the minute.
QuoteWhat about the likes of Brendan Boggs, Fabian O'Neill, Kevin McNally, Martin Swift, Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, John Gilmore, Conal Martin, Ciaran Donnelly, Paul Marlow, Colm Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron (Omagh) and Paul Rouse... how many of them are still in the Tyrone panel? There's also a McGurk, Murphy and Treanor training with Tyrone at the start of the year, all of whoms first names escape me at the minute.
Yerra the best Stephen O'Neill can hope for is a number 50 jersey if all of these yokes are togging out and assuming that Jonathan Curran will be No 31 :P
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 18, 2008, 08:25:03 PM
Stevie O'Neill will be stripping out on Sunday - a very good source
course he will! micky must have got lessons from billy morgan ;)
The Kerry team to Play Tyrone in the All Ireland Final on Sunday 21st September is as follows:
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Tom O'Sullivan 4. Padraig Reidy
5. Tomas Ó Sé (Captain) 6. Aidan O'Mahony 7. Killian Young
8. Darragh Ó Sé 9. Seamus Scanlon
10. Bryan Sheehan 11. Declan O'Sullivan 12. Eoin Brosnan
13.Colm Cooper 14. Kieran Donaghy 15. Tommy Walsh
Subs: 16. Kieran Cremin 17. Tommy Griffin 18. Sean O'Sullivan 19. Darren O'Sullivan 20. Michéal Quirke 21. Donnacha Walsh 22. Daniel Bohan 23. Mike Frank Russell 24. Ronán Ó Flatharta 25. Paul O'Connor 26. Kieran O'Leary 27. David Moran 28. Paul Galvin 29. Anthony Maher 30. Pat Corridan 31. Mike Moloney 32. Kieran Quirke 33. Aidan O'Shea Bainisteoir Pat O'Shea Physical trainer: John Sugrue Selectors: Dave Geaney and Seán Geaney.
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Where's Cormac McGinley at this year?
Withdrew from the panel before the beginning of the year, mainly due to an injury I believe.
What about the likes of Brendan Boggs, Fabian O'Neill, Kevin McNally, Martin Swift, Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, John Gilmore, Conal Martin, Ciaran Donnelly, Paul Marlow, Colm Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron (Omagh) and Paul Rouse... how many of them are still in the Tyrone panel? There's also a McGurk, Murphy and Treanor training with Tyrone at the start of the year, all of whoms first names escape me at the minute.
All those lads were cut from the panel after the McKenna Cup except Swift who played in the league but I believe went to America during the summer.
So there you have it , Tommy Griffin does not make it and Padraig Reidy's excellent training ground form is rewarded. Tom O'Sullivan will be full back and no better man than Tom to rise to the challenge
Elsewhere Eoin Brosnan starts on the wing with Darren OSullivan, Donnacha Walsh, Paul Galvin and Sean O'Sullivan being held back in reserve.
From the BBC:
There are also believed to be question marks over the fitness of Dermot Carlin, who has been named in the subs.
I'd be slightly concerned about that in that I would have expected MH to have had him ready for the inevitable introduction of Darren O'Sullivan from the Kerry bench.
really wish he started paul galvin and restored the captaincy to him. i'm sick
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
So there you have it , Tommy Griffin does not make it and Padraig Reidy's excellent training ground form is rewarded. Tom O'Sullivan will be full back and no better man than Tom to rise to the challenge
Elsewhere Eoin Brosnan starts on the wing with Darren OSullivan, Donnacha Walsh, Paul Galvin and Sean O'Sullivan beiung held back in reserve.
A few surprises there indeed KM, especially young Reidy after an indifferent campaign thus far. Tom O'Sullivan versus S Cavanagh's one to be relished.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 18, 2008, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Where's Cormac McGinley at this year?
Withdrew from the panel before the beginning of the year, mainly due to an injury I believe.
What about the likes of Brendan Boggs, Fabian O'Neill, Kevin McNally, Martin Swift, Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, John Gilmore, Conal Martin, Ciaran Donnelly, Paul Marlow, Colm Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron (Omagh) and Paul Rouse... how many of them are still in the Tyrone panel? There's also a McGurk, Murphy and Treanor training with Tyrone at the start of the year, all of whoms first names escape me at the minute.
All those lads were cut from the panel after the McKenna Cup except Swift who played in the league but I believe went to America during the summer.
Reilly was in new york playing for tyrone for the summer...great footballer miles ahead of the likes off peter donnelly
Quotereally wish he started paul galvin and restored the captaincy to him. i'm sick
MK: They have picked the best team from training performances and recent games and hopefully that will stand to us. It was asking a lot for Galvin to walk back into the team given how long he has been out and the players that have got us to the final. But you dont know what will happen on Sunday and until we see them lining up for the throw in we cant be sure.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
But you dont know what will happen on Sunday and until we see them lining up for the throw in we cant be sure.
Say nothing until you hear more ;)
QuoteA few surprises there indeed KM, especially young Reidy after an indifferent campaign thus far. Tom O'Sullivan versus S Cavanagh's one to be relished
Indeed but thewn not really surprises, its in Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney over the last few weeks that matters, and the murmurs are that Reidy has dug deep after being dropped for a few games, but it was horses for courses against Cork with the big aerial threat of Cussen, and O'Se and O'Sullivan were hardly going to be dropped for those games. I actually think Reidy has done well this year and he had a fine first season last year, very under rated but a tigerish marker.
Kerry Mike, in all honesty and Yerra-ing aside, what are the a) hopes, b) fears and c) your expectations for the final.
For me
HOPES
Tyrone maintain (and improve upon) their return to form since the throw-in v Dublin. Kerry still cannot cope with the 'Tyrone Experience' with the lads running the legs off the Kingdom and smothering any man in the Green and Gold who dares to run more than 5 yards with the ball. Breaking ball around the middle is favourable with Dooher and McGinley on top of their game. Cavanagh on fire and frees are converted. The twin towers are quietened for the majority of the game. 9-point win, easing up after 55 mins.
FEARS
Donaghy or Walsh pull the first ball out of the sky and McConnell in picking it out of the net after 2 mins. Dooher/McGinley have their worst games of the year and an early injury/red card to Gormley/Cavanagh leaves the O'Neill introduction redundant. 9-point defeat with Kerry 'ole-ing' every pass from 55 mins after
EXPECTATIONS
The twins do offer a new dimension but big Sean is on fire. Kerry lead by 1 at the break but Tyrone up the tempo with a succession of raiding points as Kerry's exasperation grows. 4 point win.
I'm away to finish thon bottle of Islay Whisky.
Quote from: magickingdom on September 17, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
wasnt going to mention this (for fear of gloating) but i had a dream the other night and nicky brennan looked very embarrassed when he handed sam to paul ;D bet he wished he'd stayed quite
Wasn't going to mention this either, but I had a dream last night of the Gooch, as he's leaving Croke about 6 pm on Sunday (or sooner):
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Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
Quotereally wish he started paul galvin and restored the captaincy to him. i'm sick
MK: They have picked the best team from training performances and recent games and hopefully that will stand to us. It was asking a lot for Galvin to walk back into the team given how long he has been out and the players that have got us to the final. But you dont know what will happen on Sunday and until we see them lining up for the throw in we cant be sure.
can see at least one change there on sunday but galvin obiviously wont start or be captain. i think he was owed that by the kerry management, hes more than paid his dues and it would have sent out a strong message that kerry were behind him.
Quotereally wish he started paul galvin and restored the captaincy to him. i'm sick
So much for Paddy Heany's bold statement at the Bredagh nite "There is no question that Paul Galvin will start and he will be captain". Seems Paddy just knows as much, or little, as the rest of us.
MK: I see your point but this game is not about Paul Galvin its about Kerry trying to win the All Ireland with hopefully their best team capable of doing that, I believe Galvin like all the panel has been given his chance to prove his fitness and worth over the last 2 weeks and we have to have faith in Pat oShea and the selectors on their team selection.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
Wasn't going to mention this either, but I had a dream last night of the Gooch, as he's leaving Croke about 6 pm on Sunday (or sooner):
(http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/3-1-The-Scream-Munch.jpg)
FSB - I know that there are those who say that the Kenmare River has a certain resemblence to a Norweigan fjord and that maybe Gooch's red hair might have an old viking connection but I thing your comparison is munch rubbish.
Deja vu but I will be amazed if that team starts.
Kerry Mike - for his last appearance can you change the number 8 to be the normal Darragh number....
Nerves building nicely....
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
[A few surprises there indeed KM, especially young Reidy after an indifferent campaign thus far.
Brendan O'Brien in today's examiner was tipping this and word was seeping out from training that Reidy was responding positively to sitting out the two matches against Cork.
That all changed as the rumour mill grew legs and the word in the Kingdom suggests that Reidy's impressive form behind closed doors has left Pat O'Shea with a choice between himself and Tommy Griffin. BTW Jody Gormley on Road to Croker said that SON is "flying in training"
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 18, 2008, 09:47:33 PM
FSB - I know that there are those who say that the Kenmare River has a certain resemblence to a Norweigan fjord and that maybe Gooch's red hair might have an old viking connection but I thing your comparison is munch rubbish.
Those fecking dreams Frank, though suppose I should lay off the acid!
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 18, 2008, 09:52:49 PM
BTW Jody Gormley on Road to Croker said that SON is "flying in training"
That he is, but ssshhh!... Say nothing to the Kerry wans! ;)
And do you think Bernard's Listowel Ma will kill him for tipping Tyrone?
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
do you think Bernard's Listowel Ma will kill him for tipping Tyrone?
Those Brogans want it every way:
1. My ma is from Kerry so they have to win and I may claim something from that.
2. Tyrone beat us and the team that beats the Dubs must win the AI cos the blues are really the best team in Ireland and cos they had only one Brogan on the field at any one time Tyrone got it soft.
:P
If we were playing the game on paper as per teams given out today you would get the following match ups but thankfully the game will be on grass as there was never a f**king game of football won on a sheet of paper.
(2) Ryan McMenamin (15) Tommy Walsh
(3) Justin McMahon (14) Kieran Donaghy
(4) Ciarán Gourley (13) Colm Cooper
(5) Davy Harte (12) Eoin Brosnan
(6) Conor Gormley (11) Declan O'Sullivan
(7) Philip Jordan (10) Brian Sheehan
8 Colin Holmes (9) Seamus Scanlon
(9) Enda McGinley 8 Darragh Ó Sé
(10) Brian Dooher (C ) (7) Killian Young
(11) Brian McGuigan(6) Aidan O'Mahony
(12) Joseph McMahon (5) Tomás Ó Sé (C)
(13) Tommy McGuigan (4) Padraig Reidy
(14) Sean Cavanagh (3) Tom O'Sullivan
(15) Colm McCullagh (2) Marc Ó Sé
I can see the Kerry backs lining out as listed witha possible swop of Marc and Reidy if and when McCullagh goes out the field with Marc stayin close to goal, When Cavanagh goes to midfield it will be interesting to see if some like like Killian Young goes with him.
From a Tyone defenise point of view I can see Gormley in the full back line on possibly Walsh to try and counteract his strength with the taller Justin McMahon on Donaghy and McMemimen on Cooper and Gourley possibly at centre back on Declan O'Sullivan. That would leave Harte on Brosnan and Jordan on Sheehan and both Kerry men would have a height advantage over the two Tyrone backs so would expect to see some kickouts heading those wings. Just my quick thoughts.
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redcard, caught the great Micheál Ó'Muircheartaigh, who'll be attending his
60th All-Ireland Final this year (excluding replays), and the first team he ever witnessed running out on to a pitch, he recalled, was the Tyrone Minors of 1948, who had the great Eddie Devlin amongst their number.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 18, 2008, 10:02:10 PM
If we were playing the game on paper as per teams given out today you would get the following match ups but thankfully the game will be on grass as there was never a f**king game of football won on a sheet of paper.
KM we've lost a few becuase of pieces of paper.............................................................usually written by a certain Corkman.
I have struck out your profanity - any more and I'll tell your mother. We must keep our standards and not descend into what others would want us to do. FFS
i see nick faldo got caught playing on paper km!
looking thro that kerry bench there are some great players there so hopefully pat will call it right on sunday and use them. its an area where were much stronger that tyrone and its one we must use to our advantage. fresh legs will be needed in the second half on sunday
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 10:11:27 PM
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Sláinte redcard, caught the great Micheál Ó'Muircheartaigh, who'll be attending his 60th All-Ireland Final this year (excluding replays), and the first team he ever witnessed running out on to a pitch, he recalled, was the Tyrone Minors of 1948, who had the great Eddie Devlin amongst their number.
Wasn't Barney Eastwood also on that team?
You're spot on there Doire abú, sure you're a Mucker? ;)
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Does Joe realise hes on the radio! :D
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Does Joe realise hes on the radio! :D
Obviously Joeis partakin of the usual free pints! You can be sure he won't walk out of Sally's unaided!
you wanna heard what he called Gregory campbell earlier
Quote from: redcard on September 18, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
you wanna heard what he called Gregory campbell earlier
Missed that! Think he just called Galvin a c**t!
Does he take a drink?
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: redcard on September 18, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
you wanna heard what he called Gregory campbell earlier
Missed that! Think he just called Galvin a c**t!
Despicable!
Cheers for the link Red Card ! Enjoyed that :)
I've heard Joe in that type of form before. With too much in him he can go a bit too far but was funny tonight. Interesting what he said about Sheehan and Brosnan not having the legs for Harte and Jordan.
Oh just caught on mucker is your slag for Derry wans.
Well I'd rather by a mucker than an inbred from across the mountains. ;D
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2008, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: popinpoput on September 18, 2008, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: redcard on September 18, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
you wanna heard what he called Gregory campbell earlier
Missed that! Think he just called Galvin a c**t!
Despicable!
Ah don't take him too seriously...playing to the crowd again I think...hard to break a lifetime's habits.
Shit, missed that show. Anyone know if they'll be putting it up on the site later?
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 10:52:33 PM
Oh just caught on mucker is your slag for Derry wans.
Well I'd rather by a mucker than an inbred from across the mountains. ;D
Slag! That's praise of the most high order! ;) As for 'inbred' :'(
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 10:55:09 PM
Shit, missed that show. Anyone know if they'll be putting it up on the site later?
Might...but they'll have to edit out most of what Joe said!
Quote from: ONeill on September 18, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
I've heard Joe in that type of form before. With too much in him he can go a bit too far but was funny tonight. Interesting what he said about Sheehan and Brosnan not having the legs for Harte and Jordan.
I think he is right about this! This is why i think Galvan starts, not sure for who but, Sheehans free kicking will be needed.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 18, 2008, 10:52:33 PM
Oh just caught on mucker is your slag for Derry wans.
Well I'd rather by a mucker than an inbred from across the mountains. ;D
Slag! That's praise of the most high order! ;) As for 'inbred' :'(
Now now you've been called worse.
Harte: O'Neill will be in squad
18/09/2008 - 21:44:41
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has insisted that Stephen O'Neill is very much in contention to play against Kerry in Sunday's GAA Football All-Ireland Senior final at Croke Park.
There was widespread astonishment when O'Neill's name was missing from Tyrone's matchday squad when it was announced this afternoon.
The Clann na nGael clubman, such a vital presence in the Red Hands side that won the 2005 All-Ireland championship, was not even listed amongst the substitutes.
It had been anticipated that O'Neill would make the 30-man panel.
Regaining full fitness after a cruel run of luck with injuries, he came out of retirement two weeks ago and is reportedly showing excellent form at training.
So the absence of the 2005 Footballer of the Year from the squad list for the final was a major surprise.
But explaining that he had been forced to name just 30 players due to space restrictions in the All-Ireland final programme, Harte insisted tonight that O'Neill is definitely in his selection thoughts.
"Only 30 names could be submitted for the match programme but Stephen will be available and is very much part of the squad for Sunday," the Tyrone boss told the BBC.
"He is a quality player and will be in action in the not too distant future.
"Stephen will be part of the team list on Sunday, his fitness levels are very high and Tyrone fans will see him in action very soon."
It remains unclear whether O'Neill will start the showpiece final but Harte has made one definite change to the team that saw off Wexford at the semi-final stage.
Brian McGuigan will start at centre-forward having edged out Martin Penrose for a place in the Red Hands' attack.
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From this weeks 'Kerryseye'
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Your County Needs You
By Sylvester Hennessy
Kerry's quest for a 36th All Ireland title has been boosted by the news that star full forward Kieran Donaghy is fit and ready for action.
Donaghy spoke to Kerry's Eye earlier this week about the importance of the Kerry support to the players and he hoped to see as many Kerry fans as possible when he exits the tunnel in Croke Park on Sunday.
"The fans might not realise the important role that they play. Running down the Croke Park tunnel, it really is lights, camera, action! Then you look around and you see all the green and gold and hear the fans cheering.
"We need every one of them in Croke Park on Sunday. It is when we are down in a game that we need them most. After that it is up to us as a team to go out and to play to the best of our ability and hope that that will be good enough on the day." Donaghy returned to full training this week and he was joined by Paul Galvin.
The build up to Sunday's final has included a couple of intense A versus B games and the news from the squad is that everyone is fit and raring to go for battle.
It is expected that Pat O'Shea will select the team along expect lines.
Donncha Walsh and Paul Galvin are both pushing hard for starting fifteen places while Padraig Reidy comes into consideration also but the only expected change from the semi-final line up will be return of Darragh O Sé for Micheál Quirke. Tyrone's main injury concern centres on Sean Cavanagh who has been receiving intensive treatment on a back injury all week in Scotland in an attempt to be ready for the final.
Is the SON saga just another smoke screen from this SC concern??
Tyrone have fared pretty well as the year has progressed in not giving away too many scorable frees (0-4 v Westmeath, 0-6 v Mayo, 0-3 v Dublin and 0-3 v Wexford) - hopefully Sheehan will have little to do!
We should be OK there I'd say -- discipline is good, and not giving much away.
And the latest mask from the lads in the 'Plum':
Conor the Block (http://www.takeyourpoints.com/gormley.pdf)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2008, 11:18:12 PM
Is the SON saga just another smoke screen from this SC concern??
There is so much smoke coming out of Tyrone no wonder they have production line in masks
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
We should be OK there I'd say -- discipline is good, and not giving much away.
And the latest mask from the lads in the 'Plum':
Conor the Block (http://www.takeyourpoints.com/gormley.pdf)
The rest were fantastic, that one's a bit erm.... suspect. Looks more like one of the local shop-keepers from League of Gentlemen.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 19, 2008, 12:15:27 AM
The rest were fantastic, that one's a bit erm.... suspect. Looks more like one of the local shop-keepers from League of Gentlemen.
Don't necessarily agree
Ziggy, I don't think it a bad cariciature of the Block at all. Are you getting particular about your masks now, eh? ;) :P
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday. Would be a great trip - however I was in exile in 03, and 05 and we won. I was in the Cusack stand in 95 - and we all know how that one went.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
2-15 - 1-12.
I'll have a drink for you in Jury's before the game Puck. Rest assured, you'll be with us in spirit.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday. Would be a great trip - however I was in exile in 03, and 05 and we won. I was in the Cusack stand in 95 - and we all know how that one went.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
2-15 - 1-12.
Sláinte Puck, I was in the Canal End in '95, straight behind Seanie Mc Laughlin's rasper of an equaliser ;)
And thanks for last Sunday, Drumquin abú!
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday. Would be a great trip - however I was in exile in 03, and 05 and we won. I was in the Cusack stand in 95 - and we all know how that one went.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
2-15 - 1-12.
Same as that :'(
Are there any fine establisments in Reno showing it Puck or is it the couch for you?
No idea if its being shown - ill have the setanta up on the classroom wall via the projector.
Toying with the idea of hitting san fran to meet a honeymooning couple of friends and watch the game - but it probably wont happen.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:51:38 AM
No idea if its being shown - ill have the setanta up on the classroom wall via the projector.
Toying with the idea of hitting san fran to meet a honeymooning couple of friends and watch the game - but it probably wont happen.
Let me know if you do come down, I 'll meet for a few or a good few if we win ;D
Quote from: Tyrones own on September 19, 2008, 12:53:36 AM
Let me know if you do come down, I 'll meet for a few or a good few if we win ;D
A good few, no negativity allowed! ;)
Obama abú! :P
:D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 19, 2008, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday. Would be a great trip - however I was in exile in 03, and 05 and we won. I was in the Cusack stand in 95 - and we all know how that one went.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
2-15 - 1-12.
Sláinte Puck, I was in the Canal End in '95, straight behind Seanie Mc Laughlin's rasper of an equaliser ;)
And thanks for last Sunday, Drumquin abú!
Paddy Russell should've moved the free forward 13m for McLaughlin kickin' the ball away! :D :D :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 19, 2008, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday. Would be a great trip - however I was in exile in 03, and 05 and we won. I was in the Cusack stand in 95 - and we all know how that one went.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
2-15 - 1-12.
Sláinte Puck, I was in the Canal End in '95, straight behind Seanie Mc Laughlin's rasper of an equaliser ;)
And thanks for last Sunday, Drumquin abú!
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I still think 12/1 is some price for the championship
Enjoy the game lads and lassies. Don't really care who wins but think Kerry will take it by a couple of points
Quote from: Puckoon on September 19, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Boys im absolutely gutted not to be making it home for Sunday.
Safe travelling to all of you - and may Tyrone win a cracking game of football.
same sentiments from me
Tir Eoghain Abu.
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its a tough call lads,
It could go down to the g-string wire all right.
Wrong, ..............just wrong......
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....In so many ways!!! LOL!
Had a whole analysis done but feckin net cafe computer crashed. in short, i think this is kerry's final to lose.
despite producing a fantastic performance against the dubs, tyrone's form hasn't been great this season and certainly all was not well in the camp early in the year. despite the PR, there are players less than impressed with the timing of the return of SON - most notably mugsy and mulgrew - and these are the players who probably will be most affected. i think the cracks might not be too far below the surface.
analytically i think tyrone will have to score more heavily than ever before to win the game as i cannot see them hold the kerry forward line. despite the "twin tower" tag, kerry do not launch high ball on top of the two big men. walsh is interested only in showing in front and taking defenders on directly. if dooher, mcmahon and co gravitate towards the big donaghy on the cover then walsh could cause a wreck. if walsh is doing damage and the cover has to be diluted then donaghy will get the one on ones he needs. thats without mentioning gooch. however, the real casualties of the threat of kerry's inside line will be jordan and harte, who are poor defensively. with their usual help drawn toward donaghy and walsh, harte and jordan will have to deal with their men on their own and that could be disaster for tyrone.
on the flip side, if kerry continue their policy of tracking the covering tyrone players right back into their half then they will provide the acres of space in their own defence which tyrone crave. o'mahony in particular is ripe for exposure in this way as he abandons the centre of the kingdom defence very easily. if this happens dooher, mcmahon, mcguigan, mcginley, harte and jordan will pour forward into the gaps. in this respect the role of scanlon could be crucial. has dara realised that he can't dally on the ball in the middle third yet? the other major headache for kerry will be sean cavanagh. As much as KM would like to believe that the kerry defensive change comes from the form of players in recent training its obvious that griffen is not a good enough defender to play full back in normal circumstances, never mind against cavanagh. i don't think o'sullivan is fit for the job either. despite the height difference, i think marc O'Se is kerry's best bet to mark cavanagh. its not as if tyrone will be reigning high balls in on the square.
i think there are too many question marks over the tyrone defence and i think dara will win a lot of ball at midfield and use it better than normal. kerry have been though the mill this year - much like tyrone in 2005 - and have had to search their soul a couple of times to get this far. so its kerry for me.
I'm calling it.
Tyrone by 2 points. 2 men sent off (1 straight red for Kerry, and a Tyrone fella on 2 yellas)
Subs to change the course of the game.
1-16 plays 0-17
Quote from: thejuice on September 19, 2008, 10:22:22 AM
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its a tough call lads,
Thats a mismatch. Has to be Kerry!!
With apologies to those who are suffering from article burn-out, from today's Irish News:
Red Hand stars prove that dedication's what you need
All-Ireland SFC final
By Paddy Heaney
MUCH has been made of the stunning
teamwork Tyrone have displayed en route to this year's All-Ireland football final.
However, it would be a mistake to overlook their incredible levels of fitness. Philip Jordan is a perfect example.
The 28-year-old already owns two All-Ireland medals, but this success has failed to dilute his ambition.
"I would say that this is the most effort that I have ever put into a year, and I thought that I had given plenty of effort in the other years,'' he said.
"I have upped the amount of training that I did on my own. I counted up before the Wexford game how many sessions I had done including team training, matches, playing with the clubs, weight sessions and going to the pool for recovery sessions. I think it was 200 from the start of the January."
This figure of 200 needs to be put into its proper context. Between January 1 and August 31, the date Tyrone played Wexford, there were 243 days. In more simple terms, this means Jordan spent about six out of every seven days engaged in some activity related to football.
And he is not the only Tyrone footballer who is so dedicated. He added: "We did three or four fitness tests this year.
"In April, people were doing their best ever results in bleep tests. I think that shows the effort that everybody is putting in.
"Fergal McCann has done a great job with the fitness of the team. I don't think I've been involved with a fitter Tyrone team before.
"Some of the sessions have left boys on their hands and knees but no man has ever thought of dropping out. I don't know if we would have been capable of doing those sessions a couple of years ago."
The results of Jordan's punishing regime are plain to see. He was outstanding in the semi-final victory over Wexford.
Apart from doing an excellent man-marking job on Redmond Barry, he powered up the field from centre half-back to kick three marvellous points.
And when Wexford threatened a comeback, it was Jordan who won some vital balls in his own defence and provided the catalyst for a series of counter-attacks.
The player himself is remarkably composed. Speaking ahead of the All-Ireland final, he betrayed no signs of nerves and spoke freely and easily on all topics.
But, as he pointed out, Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has always encouraged his players to take the big days in their stride. More importantly again, they have learned that the approach works.
"We know the key to us in those two finals we won was that we were relaxed about the whole thing.
"We didn't get too worked up. That is something that Mickey has always tried to profess. He has tried to keep the players relaxed. There is no point getting worked up too early."
THE Moy man also acknowledged that team spirit can't be manufactured. It's an organic process that develops over time.
Tyrone have it in abundance as the bulk of the team have been playing together since they won the All-Ireland minor title in 1998.
"There are about seven or eight or us who have been playing together for a long, long time.
"Camaraderie is not an easy thing to get. You maybe think that you have a team spirit but you really find out if it is there or not during the tough times.
"I think it was really tested this year. The Mayo game was probably the key one for us. It was our third game in three weeks. We were
probably struggling a bit. We weren't playing well.
"It was probably just pure hard work in that last 10 minutes that got us through. Hopefully, if we win the All-Ireland, the players would say that the Mayo game was the key game for us."
However, there were encouraging signs before the Qualifiers that these Tyrone players were not prepared to abandon the year following the
replay defeat to Down in Pairc Esler.
The Down result may have caused huge disappointment, but it hadn't wrecked morale.
"The key to it was a meeting the Monday after the Down game. Mickey and Tony Donnelly and Fergal McCann were going to give the
players a week off. But the players spoke up and said they would rather get back into training straight away.
"I think that showed the attitude of the boys. We wanted to put things right and we knew that we were capable of doing it and that was a good sign for us,'' said Jordan.
The former Allstar was in no doubt that the five-week gap before their entry to the Qualifiers provided them with the perfect platform for their assault on the Sam Maguire Cup "It proved to be a blessing in disguise. It brought us off the radar a bit and there wasn't that much focus on us.
"If you looked through the papers in the week before our games, there was barely an interview.
"I think a lot of us were pleased about that. We came in and focused on ourselves and got ourselves right.
"We managed to get those first couple of victories. Maybe we didn't play great football, but they were victories and that started to build confidence within in the team.
"Against Dublin, we produced our best performance of the year and that was when we really started to believe that we were capable of doing it."
Pussycat Galvin, eh?
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Just a heads up to all who will be traveling on the Omagh - Ballygawley line to the match on sunday and indeed coming home again. Watch ur speed as the road will be littered with police. I have witnessed this on the last two All Ireland occasions. Lets hope everyone gets to Dublin and home again safely and without any speeding points.
Quote from: Hereiam on September 19, 2008, 12:25:48 PM
Just a heads up to all who will be traveling on the Omagh - Ballygawley line to the match on sunday and indeed coming home again. Watch ur speed as the road will be littered with police. I have witnessed this on the last two All Ireland occasions. Lets hope everyone gets to Dublin and home again safely and without any speeding points.
Good point, especially coming down the hill to the Ballygawley roundabout - fish in a barrel.
And, the new piece of dual-carriageway just before Garvaghy heading south.
Quote from: Hereiam on September 19, 2008, 12:25:48 PM
Just a heads up to all who will be traveling on the Omagh - Ballygawley line to the match on sunday and indeed coming home again. Watch ur speed as the road will be littered with police. I have witnessed this on the last two All Ireland occasions. Lets hope everyone gets to Dublin and home again safely and without any speeding points.
It's encouraging to see all the new catholic police recruits out to do all the Tyrone supporters ! Fairly typical - my father always used to say, there's nothing worse than one of your own !!
Jaysus Orangeman what are you on about, the number of deaths on that bad road, I'll be glad to see the police out, whether they're Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Scientologist.
If it helps prevent another death on the roads around Ballygawley, especially a Tyrone supporter, then litter the side of the road with police.
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2008, 12:49:21 PM
It's encouraging to see all the new catholic police recruits out to do all the Tyrone supporters ! Fairly typical - my father always used to say, there's nothing worse than one of your own !!
Worth noting also that the Gardai have been busy with hairdryers on the 60km/h areas of the Lucan Duel Carriageway on All Ireland Sundays in recent years, and many supporters from the midlands and west have the penalty points to prove it.
Quote from: cornafean on September 19, 2008, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2008, 12:49:21 PM
It's encouraging to see all the new catholic police recruits out to do all the Tyrone supporters ! Fairly typical - my father always used to say, there's nothing worse than one of your own !!
Worth noting also that the Gardai have been busy with hairdryers on the 60km/h areas of the Lucan Duel Carriageway on All Ireland Sundays in recent years, and many supporters from the midlands and west have the penalty points to prove it.
Pity the boys on the field couldn't get a few points ;)
Also any Tyrone folks coming down the N3 they will more than likely be out just before the Blanchardstown roundabout where speed limit drops
Can we all agree not to speed on the way to or from Dublin?
There is no doubt there is disgraceful driving on the days of footballs, speeding and reckless overtaking are the norm on the open road, while in Dublin people ignore every rule of road from no right turns to yellow boxes.
Quotei think there are too many question marks over the tyrone defence and i think dara will win a lot of ball at midfield and use it better than normal. kerry have been though the mill this year - much like tyrone in 2005 - and have had to search their soul a couple of times to get this far. so its kerry for me.
I think the Tyrone defence has performed well this year and in the recent championship matches they have not shipped heavy scores. I would be more worried about Kerrys 1-7 as they have looked very edgy this year and would not be as formidable as the Tyrone defence - but as the cliche goes it will all come down to who performs on the day. Tyrone could be brilliant, Kerry could be bad or vice versa. I would love both teams to go out and play to their potential and then lets see who wins.
Defending isn't harte or jordan's strength but they will have to do a lot of it on sunday. i don't rate gourley at all (is quinn fit?) and added to that, the poor form of gormley this year is worrying. on the other hand mcmenamin is playing well and justin mcmahon has been magnificent. they get by defensively because of the team ethos but against kerry the cover will be spread thin because of the plethera of threats. i'd imagine harte has probably planned to apply the pressure through numbers in the middle third to minimise the supply of ball inside.
Beware when buying what you think is legitimate white deezil when going thru anywhere in Co Armagh as they will be trying to pull a fast one on their superior footballing neighbours by filling us up with red/green in the hope we get dipped on the way back.
Quote from: Rois on September 19, 2008, 01:05:10 PM
Jaysus Orangeman what are you on about, the number of deaths on that bad road...
Except that one fecker did me on the safest place, the dual-carriageway, after being frustrated by puritanicals the whole way was attempting to overtake another slow mover before the end of it. Was getting off till I (naively) mentioned Strabane -- nailed. Plus ça change
Uladh, in the 2 games (03/05) Tyrone put Kerry, and kept them throughout, on the back foot insofar that Kerry had to feed off and maximise their sporadic attacks. For me nothing has changed in terms of personell for the better from 1-12 for Kerry that leads me to think that Kerry'll suddenly find room vacated by Harte and Jordan. Fair enough point about the 3-pronged worry in the FF line but I cannot see them suddenly whipping high balls up on top of the twins with Cooper feeding off them unless Tyrone are well ahead and even at that it's simply offering Tyrone the springboard they so often make hay from. Walsh will not get the room to move as he did for the goal v Cork.
I still think that Tyrone's fitness and workrate (as in the past) coupled with Cavanagh at FF and the improving scoring dimension offered by McCullagh and McGuigan will be the winning of this game.
Many outside of the county seem to think McCullagh will be 'found out' at the highest level this Sunday. We'll see I suppose.
The Tyrone team's fitness is my greatest confidence, simply exceeds anything I've ever witnessed before, and all credit must go to Fergal Mc Cann.
This is the year of the comeback and the year of the shock result. No result would be a shock on Sunday, so I'm looking for odds on one team to lead by at least six points and lose or draw.
Interesting one Hardy, would hope that we wouldn't squander such a lead, should we establish it.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2008, 02:12:16 PM
Uladh, in the 2 games (03/05) Tyrone put Kerry, and kept them throughout, on the back foot insofar that Kerry had to feed off and maximise their sporadic attacks. For me nothing has changed in terms of personell for the better from 1-12 for Kerry that leads me to think that Kerry'll suddenly find room vacated by Harte and Jordan. Fair enough point about the 3-pronged worry in the FF line but I cannot see them suddenly whipping high balls up on top of the twins with Cooper feeding off them unless Tyrone are well ahead and even at that it's simply offering Tyrone the springboard they so often make hay from. Walsh will not get the room to move as he did for the goal v Cork.
I still think that Tyrone's fitness and workrate (as in the past) coupled with Cavanagh at FF and the improving scoring dimension offered by McCullagh and McGuigan will be the winning of this game.
Many outside of the county seem to think McCullagh will be 'found out' at the highest level this Sunday. We'll see I suppose.
i would disagree that nothing has changed with kerry. certainly the personnel is similar but under pat o'shea they have shown much more urgency in the middle third where teams (particularly tyrone) have been able to pressurise them, slow build ups down and turn ball over. that will be a vital facet of the game on sunday.
the problem i see with harte and jordan on sunday is not that they will leave gaps behind them but rather that they will have to deal, one on one, with their man running at them or even o'se and young overlapping and its not their strength. the help they normally get will be elsewhere.
i already said in my original post that i cannot see kerry starting to pump high ball on top of the "twin towers" now when they haven't done that all year
The thing about MH Uladh is, he can read Kerry's game and can counteract it. I've no doubt he'll have a plan in space to deal with the twin towers and the Gooch come Sunday. To date, Kerry have failed to read Tyrone's game and I can't see them being able to this Sunday either.
Uladh is really Mumhan in disguise ;)
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Before Sunday, let me express my hope for a great weekemd, a good day on Sunday and no matter what the result, getting to this AI final has been a tremendous journey - from the depths of despair to the highs against Dublin and then into the final. Mickey Harte, the players and the backroom team must be congratulated and saluted for the efforts they have made in getting to the big stage on the 3rd Sunday in September.
No matter what the result this has been a real pleasure - it might be too much to ask of this team to take this All Ireland but in the year of a lot of shocks, would it really be that big of a shock if Tyrone were to win on Sunday. I don't think so.
So to all the posters here, I hope you enjoy the exprience whether youre in Dublin, Dalkey or Darwin.
The big day is almost upon us, seems like ages since the Wexford match. I honestly didnt believe Tyrone would be in this position this year. I never lost faith in Mickey Harte or this group of players but I just couldnt see how we could get enough scores without SON and with Mugsy injured. 3-37 against the Dubs and Wexford proved me to be very wrong. Very proud of this team regardless of what happens on Sunday. People like Justy McMahon, Tommy McGuigan and Colm McCullagh have stood up and been counted at this level and for the first time since 2005 we've managed to keep the majority of the key men fit. Now we have a settled team and quality on the bench like SON, Mugsy, Mulgrew (and more).
Can the team go on and finish the job? Despite not expecting to come so far it would be a sore one not to go on and win Sam now. So hard to guess what will unfold, in a perfect world Tyrone repeat the Dublin performance, Kerry get rattled and their discipline, which has been strangely suspect at times this summer, goes. Or will the Tyrone defence struggle to cope with that brilliant attack, better than anything they have faced, and cave in leading to a hammering? A cruel irony if the Beragh man Donaghy shoots us down on Sunday!
Anyway hope all those lucky enough to get tickets enjoy the weekend and game and fingers crossed its the right result for those clad in Red and White.
Correct orangeman, from the despair of Newry to the highs after the Dublin game with they exploded back on the trail for Sam, this has been a season of extreme highs and lows. The players had faith in themselves, Mickey saw the quality of the team and here we are in our 5th All-Ireland Final and 3rd in 6 years.
They are a credit to everyone in the county and indeed across country. Even in the darkest hours when there seems to be little light in the tunnel, with a sense of belief and a lot of hardworker they showed anything is possible.
Can they beat Kerry? Well after Down, so would have dreamt we would be in Croke Park on the 3rd Sunday of September? That same belief will get us over the finishi line.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 19, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
Correct orangeman, from the despair of Newry to the highs after the Dublin game with they exploded back on the trail for Sam, this has been a season of extreme highs and lows. The players had faith in themselves, Mickey saw the quality of the team and here we are in our 5th All-Ireland Final and 3rd in 6 years.
They are a credit to everyone in the county and indeed across country. Even in the darkest hours when there seems to be little light in the tunnel, with a sense of belief and a lot of hardworker they showed anything is possible.
Can they beat Kerry? Well after Down, so would have dreamt we would be in Croke Park on the 3rd Sunday of September? That same belief will get us over the finishi line.
Obviously,
and thankfully - that emotion didnt touch the players.
Looking forward to this one. Two most talented, most consistent teams left standing.
Heart says Tyrone. Head says Kerry. Greater directness in delivery and greater options up front. Tyrone still struggling in winning clean ball i lar na pairce and cant see this changing on Sunday.
All action performances will be required again from Harte, Jordan, Dooher Mc Guigan & Co to create space for the men inside. Cant see Kerry allowing them to build this momentum from deep, and any space in front of Cavanagh, if at FF will be well covered with the blanket.
Hopefully an entertaing encounter in store. Kerry by 4.
M.O.T.M - Tommy Walsh
Nice one rrhf and the same sentiments back re the good wishes, may the best team win and lets hope there is no bad call by a ref that will have either side moaning afterwards.
although alot of the media put kerry as favourites the tyrone team is an opponent we have alot of footballing respect for in kerry, this year especially and i dont think anyone expects tyrone to give up until the last whistle.
i think Galvin will make a huge influence when introduced and if the tyrone half back line get a bit of momentum i could see galvin on the pitch within the first 20 minutes if he doesnt start.
do team sheets matter who really thinks tommy griffin wont start sunday?? unless he has an injury.
up the kingdom and three cheers for tyrone we have enjoyed the ride
I can't see griffen starting - who would he mark?
Good luck tyrone on Sunday and may you bring Sam back up North. From an Armagh man. C'mon Tyrone ;) :D
surely his fielding at fullback would be better than tom o'sullivans remember corks late goal, and padraig reidy is not renound for his speed although i think he is a fine footballer?
i guess pat o shea has the inside line but from an observor point of view i think since he has come into defence for kerry fewer questions have been asked.
His phisical presence alone makes a big difference, i bet tyrone would prefer to have reidy rather than griffin.
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
Kerrys full back will have little or no fielding to do!! Tyrone wont be kicking aimless ball.
Like previous games the running game will employed to work the free man within range where all are adept at taking the score.
Good luck Tyrone in both minor and senior, do the double. I'll be there.
If you do normal hostilities are resumed as of Monday morning ;)
County then Province . Good luck to the Beards on Sunday .
Tyrone may have to adapt their game if the kerry half back line holds up whitch i feel they will so the next option is a high ball.
tyrone have played a running game up until now as have kerry but come sunday the quickest route may win out as the half backs on both sides are able footballers.
Well this is it, the last breath of the intercounty year, its been a good one imo with many good games and plenty of shocks. This year is one where we can definately say the best two teams in the country have made the final.
All thats left to say is best of luck to both teams and may the best team win.
Oh yeah, and up the Dubs ;)
Quote from: downredblack on September 19, 2008, 05:06:26 PM
County then Province . Good luck to the Beards on Sunday .
Indeed. Can't help but shout for the Tyrone boys on Sunday. Hope its a good tight game though.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
For jasus sake would you catch a grip of yourself & give them a bit of support, isn't it the unique thing in Ulster that when a team from the Province reaches an All-Ireland Final that the whole province is rooting for them.
Wishing both Tyrone teams success in Sunday's final's.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
Christ Almighty,
even Tony wants to see Tyrone win!!
Some great sentiments there folks.
The first All-Ireland Final I was at was that of the 'Twelve Apostles' in 1983, standing as a solitary Nordie in a heaving sea of Dubs on Hill 16, as they dished out unholy abuse on the referee (John Gough, Antrim) who was doing his level best with the bunch of gurriers and muck savages ;) he had to mediate between. A losing battle if ever there was one. "What da fcuk whould that nordie bollix know about foo'ball?" was one of the more frequent refrains, at least to these nordie ears. I believe they regulated the entry to the Hill after that year.
Then to Croke again in 1984 to see Tír Eoghain (for the first time at that stage of the competition) against Áth Cliaith, although the omens weren't good, and the result wasn't either. The great Frank Mc Guigan hardly saw the ball, but Tyrone were fatally rattled when they chose to 'put it up' to the Dubs and decided to warm up into the Hill 16 end. So did Dublin. 3-0 in the psychological warfare.
Not back again until '95. After the game I wandered up to Cassidys on Camden Street, where a friendly Dub told me that I might be better off heading up to the Portobello, where there'd be more Tyrone or Ulster lads; it seems that even though we'd lost, we were still a threat (premonitionary perhaps?), but he did only have my best interests at heart.
2003. Script torn asunder, in our favour, for a change. Michael O'Sullivan (ex-Garda) trying to flatten Páidí, not a sight for sore Kerry eyes. But were we happy! We headed straight for O'Shea's The Merchants on Merchants' Quay -- the greatest and best Kerry pub in Dublin. "I wouldn't go in there if I was you mate", said the Cockney at the door to the three of us in our Tyrone tops. But in we went, for it wasn't mischief we were up to, quite the reverse. It ended up where one of our number was on stage, and we couldn't get him off it. Great night, and to be fair the Kerry folk embraced us with open arms, despite their emphatic and bitter disappointment.
2005. Script adhered to. No more shall we appear in Croke and assume the role of the submissive. Three points to spare, and could have been more. Is this Heaven or am I still on Earth?... Whatever... Whoooooooo.....
2008. Minors and Seniors both appearing for the first time in our history. A massive credit to all involved in this achievement thus far. Hopes high, but nothing assumed. Here's for a great occasion, match and spectacle.
Go n-éirigh an bóthar le Ciarraí, Maigh Eo agus Tír Eoghain!
Slán to all.
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
On Sunday Tyrone play their 5th all ireland senior final in 22 years. My first game following Tyrone was November 84, V Armagh Frank Mc guigans last game for his county. After winning a great Ulster that year and with a settled Mc Guigan in all star form, it was probably hoped that Tyrone could challenge again and stronger the following year and pick up another coveted Ulster Championship - only 3 having come our way before that year. Mc Guigans car accident smothered that hope. Derry took Tyrone in a muddy Balinascreen battlefield the following May
In 86 a Tyrone team that were failing again in a dour championship battle to Derry produced a magical late goal by centre half back Noel Mc Ginn to stop the demise continuing. The ripple of hope led to the most memorable season in Tyrone football history culminating in an all ireland final and a Mc Cabe penalty to win the game with 20 minutes to go.........
There was something there though and by 89 we had unfinished business and we hadnt our heads right to play Mayo.
By 95 we had hope a promising new team and momentum was rolling but we didnt realise how much more it was important it would be for the GAA if the Dubs could only win...
By 96 we were arrogant again and we thought we could win it without taking hits, without being cynical...
In 2002 we had a national league but we needed to beat Sligo to take out Armagh and have a go...
In 2003 we floated to an all Ireland win many lessons learned along the way, many tweaks, but a great win
In 05 we learned to tamper with and develop our system along the way to await inspiration, to take our chances when they came, to play champagne football.
In 2008 Tyrone face their biggest test,. The county is preparing 2 teams for 2 all irelands on one day. This is the systems they put in place, this is the stuff club Tyrone told us could happen and would happen. This is Tyrones greatest day. Its been a journey for us all whether your first all Irelanmd was in 05 or your looking forward to your 5th - the message is the same. Good luck to these incredible people from Tyrone who have kept the dream alive and who keep bringing us back to the table. Good luck also to Mayo and Kerry men themselves with their own dreams for the day.
Great post RRHF ... nobody (i.e the so-called experts) gave us a hope in 2003 ... nobody gave us a hope in 2005 ... These same experts aren't giving us a hope in 2008 ... know what I say ... F*** EM!!!!!
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
Here, suck on some of these:
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QuoteThis Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football.
Spoken like a true buckfast-swilling cider monkey, as opposed to a true GAA supporter............
Here's to a great final, with a warm dry day, a reff with a set of balls, lots of great scores,a couple of reds,a few digs & no diving or acting.
Well,at least two are guaranteed ;)
Not heading down til Sunday dawn so get a chance to see Up For The Match for a change!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlO7qcnOvm0
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVgiRIj2GMM&feature=related
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQSMcXNbM64&feature=related
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hFNeHc7i78&feature=related
I'm debating on whether or not to head to this Banquet in the CityWest.....
A good friend of mine has a spare room in Jury's Croke and an extra ticket to the Tyrone Banquet.
Anyone from here going? Anyone from here at past Banquets, more importantly? What's the atmosphere?
Tir Eoghain Philadelphia
http://tyrone.philadelphia.gaa.ie (http://tyrone.philadelphia.gaa.ie)
BEBO Community Site
http://tyronephiladelphia.BEBO.com (http://tyronephiladelphia.bebo.com)
ONeill , seeing your up early Sunday morning , here's one for you ...
Up with the c**k
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Tfxw21k5k
Without giving a name away, one of the Tyrone posters here with be on Up for the Match tomorrow. Good Luck on it ;)
Not thon balax rhf again.
Nope ONeill ;)
Quote from: AFS on September 19, 2008, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 19, 2008, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
For jasus sake would you catch a grip of yourself & give them a bit of support, isn't it the unique thing in Ulster that when a team from the Province reaches an All-Ireland Final that the whole province is rooting for them.
Wishing both Tyrone teams success in Sunday's final's.
I don't buy into this Ulster 'all for one, one for all' shite. What relevance will a Tyrone win, or defeat for that matter, have to the average supporter in Donegal, Cavan or Down. This is an archaic attitude that stems from the pre-qualifier days when each province only had one representative in the All Ireland series. The championship is more open now and the provincial backgrounds of counties are less important, so as an Armagh supporter I see Tyrone or Kerry as equal and direct rivals to my own county on the All Ireland scene, regardless of their geographic location. I feel no impulse to view these teams through rosy provincial goggles.
Why don't the jealous Armagh contingent piss off & start another 'Jealous Armagh Supporter' thread & let real Ulster GAA supporters send our best wishes to the Tyrone teams on Sunday.As a Down man I have no problem supporting Tyrone on Sunday, so why the hell do the Buckfast bridgade have such a chip on there shoulder & for whatever reason feel that they can't do the same?In 2002 I thought it was great for Ulster football to land another All-Ireland title & was genuinely delighted to see McGeeny & Armagh winning the Sam Maguire.
Build a bridge lads & get over it ;)
Quote from: mournerambler on September 19, 2008, 09:58:18 PM
Why don't the jealous Armagh contingent piss off & start another 'Jealous Armagh Supporter' thread & let real Ulster GAA supporters send our best wishes to the Tyrone teams on Sunday.As a Down man I have no problem supporting Tyrone on Sunday, so why the hell do the Buckfast bridgade have such a chip on there shoulder & for whatever reason feel that they can't do the same?In 2002 I thought it was great for Ulster football to land another All-Ireland title & was genuinely delighted to see McGeeny & Armagh winning the Sam Maguire.
Build a bridge lads & get over it ;)
;)
Quote from: mournerambler on September 19, 2008, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: AFS on September 19, 2008, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 19, 2008, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
For jasus sake would you catch a grip of yourself & give them a bit of support, isn't it the unique thing in Ulster that when a team from the Province reaches an All-Ireland Final that the whole province is rooting for them.
Wishing both Tyrone teams success in Sunday's final's.
I don't buy into this Ulster 'all for one, one for all' shite. What relevance will a Tyrone win, or defeat for that matter, have to the average supporter in Donegal, Cavan or Down. This is an archaic attitude that stems from the pre-qualifier days when each province only had one representative in the All Ireland series. The championship is more open now and the provincial backgrounds of counties are less important, so as an Armagh supporter I see Tyrone or Kerry as equal and direct rivals to my own county on the All Ireland scene, regardless of their geographic location. I feel no impulse to view these teams through rosy provincial goggles.
Why don't the jealous Armagh contingent piss off & start another 'Jealous Armagh Supporter' thread & let real Ulster GAA supporters send our best wishes to the Tyrone teams on Sunday.As a Down man I have no problem supporting Tyrone on Sunday, so why the hell do the Buckfast bridgade have such a chip on there shoulder & for whatever reason feel that they can't do the same?In 2002 I thought it was great for Ulster football to land another All-Ireland title & was genuinely delighted to see McGeeny & Armagh winning the Sam Maguire.
Build a bridge lads & get over it ;)
Get over yourself son. I didn't like to see Down win in 91 or 94 either. What does that make me?
I don't like to see Tyrone do well or Down do well for sone simple reason. Their supporters.
You epitomise the bad attitude. :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 10:13:53 PM
I don't like to see Tyrone do well or Down do well for sone simple reason. Their supporters.
You epitomise the bad attitude. :D
I love that you fail to see the irony :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 10:13:53 PM
I don't like to see Tyrone do well or Down do well for sone simple reason. Their supporters.
You epitomise the bad attitude. :D
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Quote from: ziggysego on September 19, 2008, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 10:13:53 PM
I don't like to see Tyrone do well or Down do well for sone simple reason. Their supporters.
You epitomise the bad attitude. :D
I love that you fail to see the irony :D
Good for you ::)
Let me into a secret... I don't care what you think :)
I fully understand the rivalry thing. I went to bed for a month after Derry won it in 93. Hated it. So I understand the bitterness - it's only natural.
Maybe if youse win I will offer congrats. Until then.. f**k the pair of youse ;D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 10:24:16 PM
Maybe if youse win I will offer congrats. Until then.. f**k the pair of youse ;D
I'll be waiting for you after the game on Sunday.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2008, 10:17:57 PM
I fully understand the rivalry thing. I went to bed for a month after Derry won it in 93. Hated it. So I understand the bitterness - it's only natural.
I went to school there - imagine how bad it was - and Downey was my Physics teacher that year
The thread has made some great reading over the past while.
This is a true championship decider.
Two big Kerrymen upfront is double the threat. Both of them fine footballers. A good defense could cope with one of them, but two of them together make hay. It will be interesting to see how Tyrone cope there and have a major say in who wins.
Tyrone discipline is instilled, it is effortless and a joy to observe. No energy will be wasted on that and their focus will be on their game. I expect that Kerry, in the company of such footballers, will have much better discipline than say the Cork game.
I remember sitting with some friends outside some pub in Co Monaghan in 1986 as the Tyrone cars/bangers returned from wining their semi final. All were greeted with clenched fist salutes. It was a special time that probably not that many fully appreciate in the rest of Ireland.
I have no problem with wanting Tyrone to win, there is a shared experience that goes way back.
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Congrats isn't kissing your ass, incidentally. If that's what it is in your head ziggy, you need help.
Good luck to Tyrone from this Crossmaglen man.
Hope to see Sam going through 'blaney on monday evening
I'm afraid you'll have to make a longer journey than going to Blayney son! Get into your car and go direct to Tralee and you'll see Sam on Monday evening ;)
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 20, 2008, 08:50:38 AM
I'm afraid you'll have to make a longer journey than going to Blayney son! Get into your car and go direct to Tralee and you'll see Sam on Monday evening ;)
I suppose we could do a lap.
All the best to Tyrone minors and seniors tomorrow. Minors should canter home.
Most of the papers today seem to be tipping Kerry to win, suppose that suits Tyrone fine and it was much the same story in 2005. Quite a moving article here about the journey these boys have travelled albeit a small mistake given Cormac wasnt captain in 2003. Good read though http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/0920/1221835127871.html
As an Armagh man i would like to wish Tyrone Minors and Seniors all the best for tomorrow, ive got a ticket and i will be cheering you on. would love to see both cups coming north. it can only do good for Ulster football spurring the rest of us on to get our fingers out of our holes. so good luck ;)
I hope that all Tyrone fans and Ulster fans heading down to the game get into Croke Park early and give our Minors men our full support too. Come on lads and gals, show them our full support!
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The omagh lads are ready especially Joe mcMahon
well i would like to think they are ready, the match is tomorrow
I had a dream last night. It ended with Kerry winning on a 2-22 to 0-03 scoreline.
Jesus christ
The emotions are boiling over. I'll take on the Kerrymen too!
Quote from: Uladh on September 20, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
Jesus christ
Your right lad :D it sounded better (funny even) in my head :D
It is not only Ulster people, who would like to see Tyrone win to-morrow. I hope that they win Sam for the 3rd time and will be giving them a shout.
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The omagh lads are ready especially Joe mcMahon
He'll hardly do much running with that belly full or uisce!
Sure dat's nothin' boy.
Here's Colin Corkery suppin' a lake, an' he only a Corkman. ;)
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sticking my neck out, i think tyrone might shade this one if they can break 50/50 at midfield.
This is it folks!
This is why Kerry will win :
Our 5th final in a row, 8 final this decade. Whatever happens on Sunday I still think this Kerry team deserves to go down as a great team. The negative press that will follow if we lose on Sunday will be a motivating factor. The 3 in a row will be a motivating factor. The 6th medal for Dara on what will probably be his last day in Croke Park will be a motivating factor. Retribution for the sinning against Paul Galvin will be in our favour. But I think they pale into comparison with the fact that its Tyrone we can beat on Sunday.It's time to exorcise the last ghost of the northern teams.
The Kingdom by 4!
Good luck to all the Kerry panel and management on Sunday.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2008, 12:52:49 PM
sticking my neck out, i think tyrone might shade this one if they can break 50/50 at midfield.
I don't think we'll win 50%, like we haven't in any of the games so far. It's more important than we can turn possession over even if we don't gather in the middle of the park, before they can deliver clean ball into the FF line. Even if the split is 40-60 in Kerry's favour, as long as the rest of our machine is in order, I wouldn't be too concerned.
Almost impossible to call. One set of facts points to Kerry, another to Tyrone. But it's a great one to be looking forward to as a neutral. It should be absolutely absorbing.
I come down slightly in favour of Tyrone based on two things - statistics and management. Three-in-a-rows are very rare and shouldn't be bet on. And I think in the tactical contest, although Kerry have the better bench, O'Shea has a way to go to prove he is the equal of Harte as a tactician.
It's fairly clear that what Tyrone must do to win is cut supply to the Kerry full forward line. I'm sure Harte has a plan to stifle Kerry's midfield and do just that (even without a conventional midfield of his own) and if it works, they'll win. I'm betting that it will.
Best of luck to the inbreds, hope youse do it.
P.S. thats as nice as a support message as you'll get so don't complain! 8)
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
All the best to the Tyrone boys tomorrow. I hope it's a cracker. Tyrone by 5 ;)
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
Eh? Are Kerry not in the same boat?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
What do you mean? Sure they've won 5.
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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
Eh? Are Kerry not in the same boat?
I stand corrected
Does this rivalry now rise to the heights of Dublin and Kerry in the 70s. It would except Dublin only took the Kigdom once during this time. Will we be talking about games like this in 30 years time - I think so. Well I think in time even Kerry men will appreciate the opposition that has been put up to them from Tyrone and even Armagh over the years. But for us the kingdom would have cleaned up this decade - they bring exceptional standards to the game and its up to the rest of us to get up and stay up there with them. Good luck all 4 teams tomorrow.
Tyrone by 8 in both games.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 20, 2008, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
Eh? Are Kerry not in the same boat?
I stand corrected
Tyrone already did that in 2005, Ulster final draw and then defeat in the replay.
Close Dougal......................
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 20, 2008, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 20, 2008, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
Eh? Are Kerry not in the same boat?
I stand corrected
Tyrone already did that in 2005, Ulster final draw and then defeat in the replay.
Close Dougal......................
The drew with Cavan and Dublin that year as well.
kerry will do that this year too! lost to cork drew with cork :o
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 20, 2008, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 20, 2008, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 20, 2008, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 20, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
If Tyrone do win will they be the first team to win the All Ireland despite having failed to win 2 matches on the way
Eh? Are Kerry not in the same boat?
I stand corrected
Tyrone already did that in 2005, Ulster final draw and then defeat in the replay.
Close Dougal......................
The drew with Cavan and Dublin that year as well.
They also drew with Derry and Down in 03.
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 20, 2008, 02:55:32 PM
The drew with Cavan and Dublin that year as well.
They also drew with Derry and Down in 03.
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Good Omen for us then.
I see the build up to the Tyrone - Kerry game tomorrow has made the main page of BBC News. Interesting....
Interesting stuff indeed Ziggy just shows us how much we have come on as a society when strange things like this start happening:)!
Have my tickets for 2moro hopefully spy you in Jurys before the match...have a good weekend everybody enjoy the match good luck to anyone who hasn't got tickets yet!
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Paddy Heaney put me in bad form. He tips Kerry. Then I archived the 2005 prediction: opening
Tyrone's bid to usurp the Kingdom is too big a step
All-IRELAND SFC FINAL
By Paddy Heaney
24/09/05
Bank of Ireland
All-Ireland Senior
Football Championship final:
Kerry v Tyrone
(Croke Park, tomorrow, 3.30pm, live on RTE2)
KERRY have won the All-Ireland football title on 33 occasions. Tyrone have won it once. Given the huge disparity, the greater will to win should lie with the Ulster side, but not this time.
Yahooooooooo
Quote from: ONeill on September 20, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
Paddy Heaney put me in bad form...
Sterling lesson Shane: never mind a Mucker.
all the best to tyrone tomorrow in croker. unable to get a ticket so its going to be the high stool for me
We are just leaving Green Bay for the trek down to Chicago to watch it on the big screen tomorrow morning. Best wishes to the men from tyrone on both fronts.
Add to best wishes already for both teams for tomorrow. Here's to sam & tom on display in omagh town come Monday night!!
Tir Eoghain Abu
Based on the line-outs in the Irish Times, our small, skilful Tyrone team will have its work cut out against the tall, weight-lifters from Kerry. Coming in at an average of just under 6 foot, Tyrone lose an inch and 3rd to Kerry. At 13 stone, we are half a stone a man lighter than the Kingdom. Can we overcome these physical shortcoming with our superior skill and team work, like 03 and 05?
Quote from: ONeill on September 20, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
Paddy Heaney put me in bad form. He tips Kerry. Then I archived the 2005 prediction: opening
Tyrone's bid to usurp the Kingdom is too big a step
All-IRELAND SFC FINAL
By Paddy Heaney
24/09/05
Bank of Ireland
All-Ireland Senior
Football Championship final:
Kerry v Tyrone
(Croke Park, tomorrow, 3.30pm, live on RTE2)
KERRY have won the All-Ireland football title on 33 occasions. Tyrone have won it once. Given the huge disparity, the greater will to win should lie with the Ulster side, but not this time.
Yahooooooooo
Thought that was a good omen myself. Heaney gets it wrong on lots of occasions. Come on Tyrone. The wife keeps telling me about all these Derry kids dressed up in Kerry colours but I've never heard of so much Derry support for Tyrone.
Anyone hear of a bereavement in the Tyrone camp?
Nah. A relative of a player ?
Sent u a PM there Bensars.
Hope its only a rumour .
Dúchas
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but the years will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest and the fortunes ebb and flow,
We're still alive, we can survive, we never will let go,
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Will lead us on to victory, in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who again aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
C'mon the Kingdom , the time for talking is over.
Good luck to all and safe travelling, am away into town for a skelp of beer. The excitement is savage.
Just hearing your fears were true NT.
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Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2008, 05:00:44 PM
This Armagh man can't bring himself to wish Tyrone anything but the biggest hiding they have ever had in championship football. I have no love for kerry either but having played against Tyronies when I was at school etc, there is no way I want to see them win anything, not even the McKenna Cup.
For jasus sake would you catch a grip of yourself & give them a bit of support, isn't it the unique thing in Ulster that when a team from the Province reaches an All-Ireland Final that the whole province is rooting for them.
Wishing both Tyrone teams success in Sunday's final's.
I don't buy into this Ulster 'all for one, one for all' shite. What relevance will a Tyrone win, or defeat for that matter, have to the average supporter in Donegal, Cavan or Down. This is an archaic attitude that stems from the pre-qualifier days when each province only had one representative in the All Ireland series. The championship is more open now and the provincial backgrounds of counties are less important, so as an Armagh supporter I see Tyrone or Kerry as equal and direct rivals to my own county on the All Ireland scene, regardless of their geographic location. I feel no impulse to view these teams through rosy provincial goggles.
Arent you the enlightened one.
I have more in common with tyronies, Munster teams have won far more AI's than any other province. My brother in Law is from the Brantry and lives and breathes Tyrone football. There has always bene a provincial connotation in football and it may be archaic to you however I would rather see my neighbours delirious with excitement after winning the AI than I would Kerry people, shure have they not won it enough? :P
I am happy to wear the provincial goggles and I am proud to see any Ulster team play on AI Sunday. Come on Tyrone and feck the begrudgers.
I haven't heard the rumour going around. Can someone IM me please?
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
I haven't heard the rumour going around. Can someone IM me please?
Story???
Terrible news!! :( RIP!
Tyrone goalkeeper John Devine has suffered a bereavement on the eve of Sunday's All-Ireland Football final after his father died on Saturday.
The expectation now is that the mourning keeper will miss the decider against Kerry with Pascal McConnell taking over in goals.
Third-choice keeper Johnny Curran is in line to move to the Tyrone bench.
Devine had already arrived at the team hotel in Dublin with the squad when he was informed of his father's death.
The build-up to the game has been dominated by speculation over whether Stephen O'Neill will start for Tyrone but all the machinations over team selection will be put into perspective by Saturday's sad news.
The Tyrone squad has had to deal with more than its fair share of tragedy over the years, notably Cormac McAnallen's sudden death in March 2004.
Sunday's game will go ahead but there is expected to a minute silence to honour Mr Devine's memory prior to the throw-in.
On Thursday, Mickey Harte said that Stephen O'Neill would available for selection for Sunday's All-Ireland final despite not being included in Tyrone's 30-man panel.
O'Neill's name was surprisingly absent from the official team list released by the Red Hands on Thursday afternoon.
"Only 30 names could be submitted for the match programme but Stephen will be available and is very much part of the squad for Sunday," Harte told the BBC.
Tyrone hoping for a repeat of 2005
"He is a quality player and will be in action in the not too distant future."
"Stephen will be part of the team list on Sunday, his fitness levels are very high and Tyrone fans will see him in action very soon," added Harte, in a clear indication that the forward would play some part in the decider against Kerry at Croke Park.
Harte would not be drawn on whether O'Neill would start in Sunday's final.
O'Neill made a dramatic return to the panel a fortnight ago after holding discussions with manager Mickey Harte.
The only change from the win over Wexford is Brian McGuigan's inclusion in place of Martin Penrose.
After being a late call-up, Penrose was hugely impressive in the win over Wexford but he has to be content with a place in the subs with McGuigan return to the starting line-up.
There has been continuing speculation over McGuigan's fitness in recent days but he was named at centre half-forward in the selection released on Thursday afternoon.
There are also believed to be question marks over the fitness of Dermot Carlin, who has been named in the subs.
O'Neill was reported to be "flying" in training and his apparent omission was a huge shock.
The defence has a number of positional switches but the same six backs that started against Wexford have been selected.
606: DEBATE
Give your thoughts on Stephen O'Neill apparent omission
The named 15 has Ryan McMenamin switching from centre half-back to corner-back with Conor Gormley named at number six.
Kerry named their team on Thursday's evening with full-forward Kieran Donaghy fit and in the starting line-up.
Donaghy missed training for around two weeks after the semi-final win over Cork because of a knee problem.
However, he is said to have trained without any ill-effects at the weekend.
Kerry's only major selection issue saw Eoin Brosnan edge out Paul Galvin for a place in the attack.
Kingdom skipper Galvin was available again after serving a three-man ban imposed after he knocked a notebook out of referee Paddy Russell's hands in the Munster SFC game against Clare on 15 June.
However, Brosnan is included in the half-forward line with Declan O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan.
Padraig Reidy saw off the challenge of Tommy Griffin to take the full-back berth.
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Tyrone: J Devine, R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, C Gourley, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, C Holmes, E McGinley, B Dooher, B McGuigan, Joe McMahon, T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh. Subs: P McConnell, D Carlin, C Cavanagh, P Donnelly, N Gormley, K Hughes, C McCarron, D McCaul, M McGee, R Mellon, R Mulgrew, O Mulligan, Shaun O'Neill, M Penrose, PJ Quinn.
Kerry: D Murphy, M O Se, T O'Sullivan, P Reidy, T O Se, A O'Mahony, K Young, D O Se, S Scanlon, B Sheehan, D O'Sullivan, E Brosnan, C Cooper, K Donaghy, T Walsh.
Subs: K Cremin, T Griffin, S O'Sullivan, D O'Sullivan, M Quirke, D Walsh, D Bohan, M F Russell, R O Flatharta, P O'Connor, K O'Leary, D Moran, P Galvin, A Maher, P Corridan, M Moloney, K Quirke, A O'Shea.
The build-up to the game has been dominated by speculation over whether Stephen O'Neill will start for Tyrone but all the machinations over team selection will be put into perspective by Saturday's sad news.
Sums it up well.
thats desperate news, very sad to hear. may he RIP
Terrible news and tomorrow's game seems unimportant now. My heart goes out to the Devine Family. RIP
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
Terrible news and tomorrow's game seems unimportant now. My heart goes out to the Devine Family. RIP
I echo those sentiments.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
Terrible news and tomorrow's game seems unimportant now. My heart goes out to the Devine Family. RIP
Agreed, thoughts are with John and his family.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
Terrible news and tomorrow's game seems unimportant now. My heart goes out to the Devine Family. RIP
Agree wholeheartedly. RIP.
Terrible news.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
Terrible news and tomorrow's game seems unimportant now. My heart goes out to the Devine Family. RIP
Deepest sympathy to the Devine family & Gaels of Tyrone RIP.
Had just heard this was true and logged on to have it confirmed here, so sad for John's family, may he rest in peace!
Absolutely terrible news, God rest the poor man .
Football means little in the face of news like that , but I really wish you the best tomorrow .
RIP
RIP
Awful news. My thoughts and prayers are with John and the Devine family tonight.
Thoughts and prayers with John and family at this dreadful time, RIP
terrible news, as all gaels are thinking about tomorrows game i'm sure they will spare a thought/prayer for the Devine family.
casts a shadow over the game but i'm sure Mickey Harte has the ability to galvinise the team and re-focus them
Just saw this announced at the start of Up for the Match. Very sad news.
I hope Tyrone win tomorrow as the free staters are arrogant hoors towards the humble nordie...........13/8 is a steal.
Tune into Up for the Match. TyroneLass is on now after the break.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 20, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
Tune into Up for the Match. TyroneLass is on now after the break.
How will we know her, will she be referred to as the "Gaa Boards own, Tyrone Lass" ?
She was the Tyrone representative on the quiz. TyroneLass you did us proud girl. And may I say.... cute ;)
i liked the big fat kerry man better ziggy. . . . . . . .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7626943.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7626943.stm)
Interesting article on the main page of the BBC news website today, not the BBC NI pages so would have had massive exposure, all press is good press and all. Yer man Simpson used to work for Newsline over here but is now with the main BBC news in London I think.
Quote from: ziggysego on September 21, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
She was the Tyrone representative on the quiz. TyroneLass you did us proud girl. And may I say.... cute ;)
Maybe she didn't want to be "outed" ziggy?
My sympathies to the Devine family.
Very sad to hear about John Devine's father. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
And can I just say here how the posts from invididuals from all over the country expressing sympathy are one of the reasons why the GAA is so strong. People actually care about each other.
Tír Eoghain abú
She told me to say Pints, otherwises I'd have nothing.
was she the one with the beard??? wasn't on her chin i can tell ya that :P
ok whats the the best bet for tomorrow? mcguigans to score a point each is 8/11 what ya think or both Donaghy and Cavanagh to score a goal 10/1
Been away all day and looknig forward to loggong on and reading the build up. All irrelevant in the greater scheme of things now.
The team however still has to turn up and perform - and Im sure a man like John Devine would want them to do himself and his family proud, evn in the midst of their sorrow.
May his father rest in peace and god give them the strength to cope in the coming months and years.
QuoteTyrone goalkeeper John Devine's participation in Sunday's GAA All-Ireland football final is in doubt following the death of his father today.
Devine's father died just hours before the Red Hands are due to face Kerry in the Sam Maguire Cup decider at Croke Park tomorrow afternoon.
It is not known whether the 25-year-old net-minder will withdraw from the game.
He had already travelled to Dublin with the squad on Saturday when news of his father's death reached the team hotel near Dublin.
Pascal McConnell would be expected to deputise between the posts in Devine's absence.
God rest his soul and god bless the entire family circle. May he rest in peace.
From the local tyrone supporters within the County Down community.
I wish his family strength. This Tyrone team has had more than enough tragedy and sadness to deal with but they have taken strength from all the adversity.
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
I wish his family strength. This Tyrone team has had more than enough tragedy and sadness to deal with but they have taken strength from all the adversity.
Agreed. RIP.
I had a big long speil in my head of stuff I wanted to say this morning about how Kerry would win today but it matters little given the news I just read..
Terribly sad news for John Devine and his family, may he rest in peace.
anyword on the team selections lads, whats the word on the street? will devine play after his father passed away? i hear O'Neill has asked not to get a Celtic Cross if they win.
Penrose is starting and Joe McMahon is dropped back.
Just wondering if ne one has any predictions on how events will unfold today??
Will stevey O'Neill feature??
How shall tyrone deal with Donaghy & Walsh?? Ive heard alot of talk about Justy Mc on Walsh and Conor Gormley on Donaghy.
Personally i dont think the latter pairing is not a great option from a tyrone perspective even tho Gormley held Donaghy well in the railway cup last year.
Also i recon if we see Steven O'neill in the game it'll be if tyrone are losing midfield and not if they aint goin well up front! If they're gettin cleaned at midfield i recon Sean Cavanagh will be brought out and Steven O'Neill comin in at FF would be a feasible option.
I recon this has the makings of the best final for years............!!
Quote from: ziggysego on September 21, 2008, 12:27:08 PM
Penrose is starting and Joe McMahon is dropped back.
How reliable is your source ziggy??
One more prediction: McCullagh for MOTM. 18/1.
Ah I couldnt sleep a wink, Id the alarm set for 5.30 to get up for the minor match, but sure Ive been lying there tossing and turning since 2, the wife finally kicked me out of the bed an hour ago.
Ive the galtee sausages and bacon sizzling here, the soda farls warming and it will be a great irish breakfast for puck.
Christ I hope Kerry dont get any soft goals - if we keep the ball out of the Tyrone net - tyrone will win.
Where/how/what you watching on puck?
Just finished something similar Puck.
Off to the watering hole now
Tir Eoghain Abu
Tragic news for the goalkeeper, the timing of it, going from one emotion to shock and grief.
Jimmy Magee said on the radio that he should play anyway.
I thought it was an inapropriate comment, circumstances of individual experiences can be radically different.
The Tyrone team will have to park the shared grief, get on with the game and the big match occasion.
Lovely Tyrone girl on 'Up for the Match' she wiped the floor of that man from Sneem.
Setanta Broadband bogball.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 21, 2008, 01:24:41 PM
Setanta Broadband bogball.
quality good etc? how much does that cost - $100 per season or something? Anyway good luck and hope Tyrone can do it.
Quality is grand, although its hard to watch the hurling sometimes. 150$ a year, but it gets all the rugby, and alot of soccer too. Not a bad deal. Usually project it on a big screen at work, but its just me today, so Im watching at home.
Well Martin Carney doesnt give us a chance, Ciaran Lyng doesnt give us a chance... Do we have a chance?
I can't see the Hogan but it looks be red&white all over the rest.
Brian McGuigan and Gourley not starting. Replaced by Penrose and Mellon
Now for the big boys......Should be great
why dont setanta have contineous coverage at least for the final. Poor decision.
http://www.justin.tv/nern
A photo of TYP´s masks made it onto the RTE coverage.
;D
Sick with nerves :D
While I have nothing personal against Kerry, I'll be rootin' for Tyrone.
G'wan ya boys, ya and cycle into 'em!
Nice banner
"Tyrone Hairs to the Kingdom Throne"
;D
Donaghy is some goal hanger.....
Brian Dooher scores a brilliant point and Stephen O´Neill replaces McCullough.
Great final game.
Who was the fat lad in the brown suit that fell over...??
sean cavanagh is a real whinger. would love to see him playing aussie rules
Sean Cavanagh could give O'Mahony lessons in diving and pretending to be hurt the little woman...
joe, shut up. Ose as per usual is throwing dirty digs.
For all the talent O'Se (Darragh) has, it is negated by the fact he is a hateful c##t. no need for that shite.
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 21, 2008, 04:12:22 PM
For all the talent O'Se (Darragh) has, it is negated by the fact he is a hateful c##t. no need for that shite.
Just like the Tyrone guys hitting off the ball like McMahon, Ricey etc.....at least the Kerry guys aren't falling over rolling on the ground...
Cavanagh is a big girls blouse. O'Mahoney or O'Se would eat him for breakfast.
There is a all ireland final on, not a slagging match for those from counties who couldn't get there and who have nothing to say about the game.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 21, 2008, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 04:17:37 PM
There is a all ireland final on, not a slagging match for those from counties who couldn't get there and who have nothing to say about the game.
Cavanagh is a laugh, the way he fell when nudged by O'Se and then how he ran in looking for someone to hold him back. :D
That is all that needs to be said.
At the end of the day lads intent was there to clip cavanagh and try to get away with bullying. It's not as if he hasn't got form. Deserved his yellow.
Went for a píss and missed the goal :)
Galvin looks to have put on a heavy dose dark eye shadow to accentuate the enigma.
that could be the winner
Whatever about Tyrone winning the game, they're going to cleanup on the Oscars after all the diving in this game.
Come on tyrone, i think ye have it.....
done!
It's been a marathon with a sprint finish by Tyrone.
Well done Tyrone..... :)
congrats to tyrone, good to keep it up here
Phew
Congrats to tyrone, magnificent performance
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:D
We talk about Michael O Muircheartaigh and Michael O Hehir, but I think we have found their successor; your man on Radio Kerry is cracking me up. I'm in stitches listening to him on the wireless. Brilliant
Congrats to tyrone ..see sam in blaney tomorrow
What was it Liam Hayes predicted?
Mickey Harte is a genius
Congrats to the bushmen. Just a wee bit jealous. ;)
That, was unbelieveable. Im shattered with nerves.
Mickey Harte and the Tyrone panel 2008 - thank you for the ride.
Sams coming home to Tyrone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that Pillar giving Mickey Harte a handshake?
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 04:29:59 PM
Went for a píss and missed the goal :)
same here :D Delighted for Tyrone, great stuff - cavanagh walks away with man of the match for me (although tbh Mickey Harte would be equally as deserving), some performance winning an all ireland with one forward (and him playing midfield half the time).
Worthy winners, well done Tyrone..
Great shot of Pillar at the end....
Congrats Tyrone, well done & thoroughly deserved.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 21, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
That, was unbelieveable. Im shattered with nerves.
Mickey Harte and the Tyrone panel 2008 - thank you for the ride.
Sams coming home to Tyrone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus puck you must have some hole on you after all that! :o
Good final. Kerry were awful in 2nd half.
Throne deserved their 3rd title.
Fair play Tyrone, well deserved.
Can someone translate Doohers speech?
Great finish by Tyrone and well deserved overall. You would have got good odds on them winning the whole thing back in June. Fair fcuks to them.
Awful speech by Dooher! :D
Unbelieveable day for Mickey Harte who has reached the summit after being as low as he could be following that Down match when everyone thought it was over.
Lovely to see Tyrone with 3 all-Irelands, no Kerry 3 in a row ..and Armagh still only have one Sam.
All the talk of the Kerry forwards and Steven O'Neill, and it was Sean Cavanagh who stole the show. Vital scores at vital times.
Kerry had no legs in the second half at all.
The Kerry intensity in the first half was intense, and it had me very worried. The Tyrone defence did very well (McConnell) in particular to keep Kerry from getting the 3 pointer that I think would have killed Tyrone. Kerry simply couldnt sustain the intensity in the second half - a few of them were out on their feet in key positions
congrats tyrone i take my hat off, i called it right as well ;D ;D ;D.
will kerry mike ever be heard of again?????????????
Best team won and we will wait for Mr Spillane tonight ;D ;D
Well done Tyrone!
Congrats to Tyrone on winning.....MOTM has to be McConnell for Tyrone for that 1 save if nothing else....
Only question is why when they have such good players do they have to resort to cheating, diving, and the carry-on at the end....
Aye McConnell couldnt be far off MOTM, fair play to him.
Aye Tyrone players seemed to be goading the opposition a lot throughout the match. Most noticeably at the end after Galvins blocked shot, someone was crouched over at him in his face rather than celebrating the win >:(
Hate to see that.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 21, 2008, 05:33:19 PM
Stephen O'Neill was distraught after the game. Could it be disappointment with his game and feeling that he didn't deserve to be a winner? Without him the goal would never had happened.
Well done Tyrone and amazing feat for Mickey Harte given the resources available to him. A good team beat a team of good footballers.
Is Packy McConnell MoTM given his two great saves, one of his best games, never fluffed a lickout. Gooch stayed well away from him.
A good team beat a team of good footballers.Pretty much sums it up tbh. McConnell's second save was unbelievable, the first was a poor finish and Walsh should have taken the point, I still think Cavanagh was the most influential player on show and it would be a travesty if he doesn't get man of the match.
Kerry are no angels either - they goaded the cork players non stop in the semi final
well done tyrone, briliant stuff.
tyrone, the team of the decade, the northern decade.
kerry can take little comfort in soft all-irelands against the likes of mayo and cork. they have now died 3 times in the second halfs of All-Ireands against northern teams. will they ever recover? will they every beat a northern team in a final again? will any southern team win a final aginast a northern team again??
maybe mikey sheehy has the answers
Can we change the site name to gaabeard.com??
Quote from: puskas on September 21, 2008, 05:40:58 PM
well done tyrone, briliant stuff.
tyrone, the team of the decade, the northern decade.
kerry can take little comfort in soft all-irelands against the likes of mayo and cork. they have now died 3 times in the second halfs of All-Ireands against northern teams. will they ever recover? will they every beat a northern team in a final again? will any southern team win a final aginast a northern team again??
Jaysus it's started already.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 21, 2008, 05:27:24 PM
will kerry mike ever be heard of again?????????????
Of course he will, he's already planning Kerry's recovery to scoop the team of decade award
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2008, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: puskas on September 21, 2008, 05:40:58 PM
well done tyrone, briliant stuff.
tyrone, the team of the decade, the northern decade.
kerry can take little comfort in soft all-irelands against the likes of mayo and cork. they have now died 3 times in the second halfs of All-Ireands against northern teams. will they ever recover? will they every beat a northern team in a final again? will any southern team win a final aginast a northern team again??
Jaysus it's started already.
my thoughts exactly, it's like how Bush managed to dissipate all the sympathy and goodwill that was extended to the US post Sept 11.
Great entertainment for the neutral - both games. Great second half performance by Tyrone but you'd have to wonder at Kerry's tactics - or more to the point their loss of tactics when the pressure came on. Tyrone were always going to deny them midfield possession as much as possible and did this effectively by keeping the ball away from Dara O Sé and making him irrelevant in he second half. But Kerry still had enough possession to have been more than a point in front going into the last ten if they hadn't forgotten the game plan. They started trying to run it through Tyrone instead of doing what was working and feed the full forwards fast and that was perfect for Tyrone's closing down tactics. A game won and lost on the sideline, I'd say.
Congratulations Tyrone.
The whole thing was heading for a Tyrone win the second half. The early goal for nothing, Kerry wastefull with chances etc. All the injuries in the second haf too broke the game up and did not allow Kerry to flow.
It was the little things 2. Sheehan normally does not miss, yet today he hit 2/3 bad place balls by hs standards. Kerry were hitting long balls into the forwards which was a good idea, but not when they were being double/triple marked by Tyrone backs.
Ultimate credit to Mickey Harte. That match was won on the line, the Tyrone system beat Kerry, not tyrones individual skill.
Congratulations to Tyrone - very well deserved victory. What a manager Mickey Harte is - as Marty Morrissey said in interview - one of the great tacticians. And what a player Sean Cavanagh is - an absolute all time great. Congratulatons also to fellow club mate Collie Holmes who wins his third Celtic Cross - subbed at half time, although still had a solid thirty five minutes.
To my mind Kerry appear to have a mental bloc / psychological issue, when it comes to the Red Hands. I thought some of their play, particularly in the first half, where many balls in were long and aimless, was crazy when it became obvious it was not working. Kerry looked like a team that simply did not have the self belief, even when they took the lead late in the second half.
Quote from: AFS on September 21, 2008, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2008, 05:20:26 PM
Unbelieveable day for Mickey Harte who has reached the summit after being as low as he could be following that Down match when everyone thought it was over.
Lovely to see Tyrone with 3 all-Irelands, no Kerry 3 in a row ..and Armagh still only have one Sam.
Classy ::)
Don't worry about it AFS. Seafoid is a poster of old whose distaste for Armagh was fuelled by some of the lunatics that posted here around 2002. He is a rare visitor now, so should irk less and less.
A great day for Tyrone, its a special team to have gone through a lot of tough times and to come back and win a 3rd Sam. I didnt think it was anywhere near as good a match as the 2005 final and in the first half Tyrone were pretty ragged. Kerry must have been kicking themselves that they didnt take advantage on that as they should have been further ahead at the break. Second half was much better for Tyrone but I feared we were going to throw it away when we failed to hammer home the advantage with some bad wides (Hub played well again but his shooting is awful ;D) then Kerry going ahead. Once again though the self belief Tyrone have came through and they lifted it again when it really mattered in the closing stages. Kerry must be sick, they wont like to hear it but once again they wilted at the key moment against Tyrone. IFelt sorry for Colm McCullagh having to go off injured so early but he has his All-Ireland medal and has been a key player this season for Tyrone.
Mickey Harte has done an incredible job with this team. People said he wouldnt win an All-Ireland without Peter Canavan. He just won it without PtG and with a forward line which wasnt near as strong as the 2003 or 2005 versions. I didnt believe Tyrone could win an AI without the regualr flow of scores from SON and Mugsy but I was never happier to be proved wrong. Delighted for Mickey and for all the players (lads like Brian McGuigan in particular after all he has been through). Mickey will surely go down as one of the greatest managers ever. Special day :).
I don't know where that Tyrone intensity came from in the last 10 minutes.
It simply blew Kerry away. Up to then it could have gone either way.
I thought Dara O 'Se' gave his all,
but Tyrone choked him out of midfield in the 2nd half.
well done tyrone, deserved to win it, cavanagh had a great game, they controlled midfield and dooher got some nice scores. Kerry looked deflated in the second half.
but the gamewas dour, some awful football in it. it wont matter to Tyrone and better than the one sided affairs of the last 2 years but certainly didnt live up to its billing.
Rufus
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To my mind Kerry appear to have a mental bloc / psychological issue, when it comes to the Red Hands. I thought some of their play, particularly in the first half, where many balls in were long and aimless, was crazy when it became obvious it was not working. Kerry looked like a team that simply did not have the self belief, even when they took the lead late in the second half.
Agree rufus, I only seen the last 20 minutes or so but when the Kerry were up against it they blew it, didn't seem to have the composure or confidence - very unkerry like.
Well done Tyrone.
Kerry will be back, as ever.
Tyrone now level with Offaly & Louth in the All-Ireland roll of honour.
Quote from: thejuice on September 21, 2008, 06:07:09 PM
well done tyrone, deserved to win it, cavanagh had a great game, they controlled midfield and dooher got some nice scores. Kerry looked deflated in the second half.
but the gamewas dour, some awful football in it. it wont matter to Tyrone and better than the one sided affairs of the last 2 years but certainly didnt live up to its billing.
Peculiar, I thought the game was anything but dour and an enthralling intense spectacle from start to finish along with some high standard football mixed with other standards.
The ref did very well to deflate the negatives.
Well done to all involved, great day to be a Tyrone man! Just back from the bar were the celebrations are in full swing, unfortunately i have a match of my own in a couple of hours, so have to delay my celebrations :-\
Sean Cavanagh MOTM and Player of the Year, although Packie Mc Connell deserves a mention for his performance today!
So much for the Twin Towers what did the pair of them score today? Mickey Harte got it perfect again, surely RTE wont do it and give him man of the match????
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 21, 2008, 06:07:09 PM
well done tyrone, deserved to win it, cavanagh had a great game, they controlled midfield and dooher got some nice scores. Kerry looked deflated in the second half.
but the gamewas dour, some awful football in it. it wont matter to Tyrone and better than the one sided affairs of the last 2 years but certainly didnt live up to its billing.
Peculiar, I thought the game was anything but dour and an enthralling intense spectacle from start to finish along with some high standard football mixed with other standards.
The ref did very well to deflate the negatives.
can't believe anyone would think that game was dour. lots of errors and spills but thrills as well. the errors were almost all forced due to the breakneck speed the game was played at. some of the scores were breathtaking given the lack of time and space the players had. if only more games were of the white-knuckle varierty like this.
Thought Doohers couple of scores were unbeleivable! Especially his first there was men hanging of him under the Cusack stand and he still marched on to fire over!
Yeah I though Dooher was imense but I still can't like the man due to his perpensity to cheat, he was imense today.
Well done Tyrone, I really enjoyed the game. A well deserved win for the red hands.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 21, 2008, 06:09:44 PM
Kerry will be back, as ever.
Tyrone now level with Offaly & Louth in the All-Ireland roll of honour.
And Mayo, what a great day's entertainment. Fair play to Tyrone a great team and Dooher and Cavanagh could both get motm. (Well RTE could do anything now you know)
You can't but doff the cap to Mickey Harte and Tyrone. Very little usually gets between Kerry and their stated ambition, be it three-in-a-row, removing the Tyrone monkey or whatever, but if anyone was going to do it, it would be Harte.
First 20 mins, Kerry cleaned midfield and caused problems inside with fast high ball (thought Gormley was going to be roasted), but Tyrone were well in contention at half time despite not really being in the game. All game they didn't have a forward performing well and, as someone said above, to have won an All-Ireland with so little true score-taking potential and whatever bit of threat there was (Cavanagh) being deployed to firefight at midfield, is almost remarkable.
Second half, Tyrone showed they'd learned the lessons of the first. Darragh tired at midfield/was blotted out and McMenamin in particular cleaned up a sight of ball in the middle third. Any high ball in was rendered redundant by sheer Tyrone numbers, anything into the channels was snaffled up by sweepers.
That said, Kerry hung in very well and only a great save by McConnell prevented the game from swinging decisively in their favour, having come back well from the concession of the somewhat freak goal. Darren O'Sullivan made an imapct and should have been brought on earlier.
The last ten minutes Tyrone just blew Kerry out of it at midfield, a certain amount of luck involved in pinging balls always finding Tyrone hands but maybe you make your own luck. It took a while for the scores to come in this period of dominance but when they did, they flowed freely.
Harte, on the basis of this, is head and shoudlers above any manager currently operating and will surely take his place among the greats. That's three of the very, very hardest won All-Irelands he has steered Tyrone to, especially in comparison to Kerry's it must be acknowledged, and with the cast of players on duty today and various shortcomings throughout the side, it's a laudable achievement.
We haven't seen the last of this rivalry either, both sides are producing enough young talent to ensure that some day soon there'll be another All-Ireland decider between Kerry and Tyrone but the Kingdom will have to wait to break their Tyrone hoodoo and can't claim true supremacy until they do.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on September 21, 2008, 07:04:51 PM
That said, Kerry hung in very well and only a great save by McConnell prevented the game from swinging decisively in their favour, having come back well from the concession of the somewhat freak goal. Darren O'Sullivan made an imapct and should have been brought on earlier.
He did for a few minutes as always, but faded out again - that said I would have started him and Galvin - or at worst I'd have brought Galvin on much sooner, Sheehan was a total passenger as was Brosnan - if anybody was needed there today it was Galvin.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2008, 05:20:26 PM
Unbelieveable day for Mickey Harte who has reached the summit after being as low as he could be following that Down match when everyone thought it was over.
Lovely to see Tyrone with 3 all-Irelands, no Kerry 3 in a row ..and Armagh still only have one Sam.
Ah now Seafroid no need for that.
The Kerry half forward line definately did not shine today.
Penrose, Mellon etc are as good defensively as there are offensively, whereas O'Sullivan, Brosnan and Sheehan are not so good.
They were not paticularly deep as I recall, just made more headlines for poor tackling when they did bother to close or track back.
The Kerry heads definately dropped, and this is when Tyrone really came to the fore. For the Kerry men seeing Sheehan missing handy scores from place kicks must have been particularly hearrtbreaking.
Well done Tyrone, worthy champions, fcuk the begrudgers
Quote from: AFS on September 21, 2008, 07:27:26 PM
Would it be fair to say that Kerry did a bit of an Armagh today?
For Jeysus sake AFS, you are getting pitiful. Trying for for some reflective glory from a game that Arma were not even involved in, nor even close to being involved? Catch a grip?
Tyrone now have 3 AIs so give them the credit they deserve and move on.
My God you're a paranoid bunch. ::)
Slightly biased neutral here and have to commend both sides on a top class, entertaining, gripping final. No doubt about it this Tyrone side have a bit of an Indian sign on Kerry and towards the end you could see there were a few Kerry players getting extremely frustrated with how things were turning out.
Anyway, the future looks reasonably bright at an inter county level-back door All Ireland. Good levels of improvement from Cork, Galway, great breakthrough by Wexford, Fermanagh and Down can look forward with confidence even have to give my neighbours the Mushroom pickers an honourable mention. And sure as long as we have the Evening Herald to read the Dubs will be contenders.
So great year ,lots to look forward to in 09, certainly makes the annual hurling procession, as it currently stands, pale a small bit.
Congrats Tyrone, watched it with a crowd from Armagh who were delighted to see Tyrone win..thought there was a hatred among Tyrone and Armagh supporters.
Tyrone just frustrated Kerry especially in the full forward line, Monaghan have shown the last 2 years what you need to do to Kerry to get a chance of beaten them. The game was not as good as 2005 but after the last 2 finals it was a pleasure to watch.
Fantastic result for Tyrone and Ulster and thoroughly merited.
Was a bit concerned after 15 mins and thought you were just about hanging on and that Kerry might just pull away at any stage.
Some great individual performances from the Red Hands but the collective was immense.
Also think we wlil hear a lot more about a lot of the two minor teams on show today in the years to come. Some quality players.
Congrats Tyrone....the team of the decade without a doubt, credit where it is due. As an Armagh man, was it tough watching Tyrone collect their 3rd All Ireland? Not in the slightest, it is always good to see the best team win, and will once again add that charisma to Ulster football that only comes with having the All Ireland Champions in the province.
Enjoy the pints this week.
just back from the pub after an long day on the beer, fair play to Tyrone best team won IMHO
"Team of the decade"?
Kerry still have four All-Irelands this decade. There were obviously extenuating circumstances for Tyrone in 2004, but Kerry are the only side to successfully defend the title as well. I can see where the argument can be made for Tyrone, but I don't think it is that clear-cut, at least not without taking Kerry's perennial success for granted.
Unreal game I though nip and tuck the whole way through and I like most thought things were ominous after the first 15 mins but Tyrone held fith with their system and it worked for them in the end.
Pat O'Shea got taught a lesson in tactics today. Gooch roasted his man for the first 15 minutes and then they persisted with the aimless high ball that wasn't working... why? Also it was plainly obvious that Tom O'Sullivan is having a nightmare of a season and how he could be left on Cavanagh for the entire game is completely beyond me!
Also Kerry's 2 WHF's Sheehan and Brosnan were anonymous and it was Davy Harte and Jordan who set this game up for Tyrone. I wonder how many times they got their hands on the ball?
Having said that Kerry did have some good performers. O'Sullivan, Gooch, Dara and Marc O'Se were all good but the rest were not up to scratch at all.
Tyrone also had their fair share of poor performers but to me their system and hunger won the day for them. With 4 minutes left they weathered the missed goal chance and then flooded the midfield with players and lads put their bodies on the line to win a serious amount of break ball which eventually led to their decisive scores.
McConnell, Dooher, McMenamin, the 2 McMahons, Harte, Jordan and Cavanagh all had great games while I thought McGinley whilst not being spectacular he broke a load of ball and did a lot of good work.
All in all I thought it a thoroughly enjoyable game of football between 2 excellent teams and I have no doubt both will probably be back in the near future. These 2 teams are the benchmark of this decade and in fairness no one has come close to either of them and it's up to everyone to get their houses in order to try and challenge the duopoly these 2 teams have created!!!
Its kinda hard to talk about what has happened over 10 years based on what has happened today in 10 mins! lol
I think today has definately set up the next Tyrone-Kerry encounter anyways.
The key think I took from today is what I always thought about most sports.
When playing a percieved "weaker side", you have to firstly match their effort and hunger, only then does the additional skill become apparent.
Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2008, 08:17:06 PM
"Team of the decade"?
Kerry still have four All-Irelands this decade. There were obviously extenuating circumstances for Tyrone in 2004, but Kerry are the only side to successfully defend the title as well. I can see where the argument can be made for Tyrone, but I don't think it is that clear-cut, at least not without taking Kerry's perennial success for granted.
Ive said it a few times that this "Team of the decade" stuff is pretty subjective but given Kerry and Tyrone have shared the last 6 AI's between them they would be seen as the dominant forces of the era. Tyrone have won all 3 of the championship matches between them during that era. Failing to beat their main rival for such a title would seriously weaken any Kerry claim to be the team of the decade. Not something which bothers me personally anyway, this Tyrone squad will go down as a great team whether they are "team of the decade" or not!
wonder will liam hayes ever get to write an article again after the garbage he wrote this morning?
Liam Hayes is a gobshite. Good player he was yes but he continues to write sensationalist drivel that just isn't true every week. He tried management too and was shite so I think after that debacle this morning the Tribune might want to rethink who their resident 'expert' is for next season!
Congrats to Tyrone, fully deserved victory. Cavanagh and McGinley were immense. Dooher's points were wonderful, but he spilled a shocking amount of ball, particularly in the first half, so has to be one of the former two for my MOTM. O'Sé also fantastic, but should have walked for that elbow into the back of Cavanagh's neck at half time. No matter what the level of contact, it was a dirty, cynical little foul after the HT whistle had been blown. Twin Towers were held not with ease, but a great deal of planning and hard work- great performance from Tyrone's FB line. Donaghy spent most of the game whinging. Was one moment in particular that highlighted for me why I dislike Cooper so much. Late in the second half, he and Gormley contested the ball. Gormley won a free and came up with the ball. Cooper tried to get in and niggle and was shrugged off and held down with one arm- he wanted none of it after that!
as a derry man, all i can say is fair play to Tyrone, a first class side and well deserved, brilliant stuff
Does anyone know the plans or "timetable" for the homecoming?...Seen it in the Irish news during the week but completely forget now!!
Congratulations Tyrone, the Kerry men have once again been sent home empty handed by a team from the North.
Heard a nice statistic on the radio on the way home & it was that Kerry had indeed done three in a row;
1.They lost the league final.
2.They lost the Munster final.
3.They lost the All - Ireland final.
Well done Tyrone ;D ;D ;D
QuoteQuoteA good team beat a team of good footballers.
Pretty much sums it up tbh. McConnell's second save was unbelievable, the first was a poor finish and Walsh should have taken the point, I still think Cavanagh was the most influential player on show and it would be a travesty if he doesn't get man of the match.
Agree completely with bogball on each of the points he makes.
Fromn a nuetral perspective a number of 'unconnected' and not necessarily sequential thoughts
- Gripping game with some absolutely sparkling moments - best contest in many's the year, certainly at AIF level but don't confuse intensity with brilliance - the quality was mixed
Thought the referee on the whole did well and was generally consistent. Plenty of attempts to fool him; in particular Joe McMahon in the first half, Mulligan (attempting to get a penalty) and Jordan (when 'tackled' - more like tickled - by Galvin) in the second were childish but he reffed the game throughout in line with the spirit of the players such as it ebbed from time to time and was largely invisible thereafter. It has to be said that Kerryt did most to make him busy. Tryone were more the focussed and business like team.
Thought D Se was lucky to stay on at the end of the first half.[edit] Although now that I've seen the TV version on the Sunday Game he didn't actually connect with any force (despite Cavanagh's effort to make it look otherwise which was clearere on the TV replay than it was in the ground) I thought that he clearly made an attempt to strike with the elbow - I guess the downward rather than an upward movement mader it look less 'violent'.
Really thought that Kerry were in big trouble at half time. Having dominated the first 15 around the middle they just got out gunned from there and the HF line, apart from Declan O'Sullivan in fits and starts, and usuallky in too deep a position, were being hosed. As a consequence the FF line was isolated and given the demise of the two lines in front of them, the ball that they were getting was worse than useless. Kerry backs actually played alright, especially the FBs and really only slipped in those last four minutes. I wouldn't buy into the suggestion that Tom O'Sullivan was cleaned even though Cavanagh played that well as a lot of his game was played elsewhere and when he was at FF, the ball into him was spot on. Did think that T Se's distribution thoiugh was iffy.
Despite all that happened before the turning point was the second McConnell save from Declan O'Sullivan with just three and ahalf minutes of normal time remaioning and the subsequent missed 45 by Sheehan. That would have levelled for Kerry who hadn't scored for the guts of ten minutes (or so) Instead, Tyrone got a kick out still a point ahead and surged on from there.
Thought the selection of the Tyrone FB line was the master stroke. Each was ideally suited to the man he was on and played well after shaky starts by all - top marks to M Harte who stands apart as a tactician.
That said, he would have taken terrible flak if Tyrone had lost the game as the team played 50 odd minutes with a total passenger up front in Stephen O'Neill. I know people wil say that he held up the ball in the movement that lead to the goal but that apart, you'd have to wonder how he stayed on the fioeld so long. Much was made on here of the truth of all players on the panel really being so keen to see him back given that he would take someone's place. I'd suggest that even some of those that played but were called ashore (Penroise and Mellon) might similarly wonder. In fairness for the brilliance of his other selections and for his general motivation and team management, Harte deserved to get away with the call.
MoTM - Cavanagh unqestionably. Cavanagh was just sensational - running, ball winning, playmaking, scoring. I would suggest that his input today was as critical to Tyrone winning as Canavan was in '03 and '05, if not more so. He has to be Player of the Year too. Though Tommy McGuigan was the pick of the rest of the forwards. McCullogh looked like he was on course for a roiugh afternoon going backwards and without the space he got in previous days but tough luck on anyone to have to go off so early.
Lot's here talking up Dooher. For sure he got one of the finest points any of us will ever see in the first half and another pretty decent one in the second, both at vital times, but all in all he was poor, gave away possession too much and looked very leggy to me. He really was way off the pace for much of the game but used his experience to maximum effect to make a small number of sensatiuonal bursts - they were critical and inspirational but nothing near MoTM stuff and he might well be one who has been to the well too often or that from now can only ask to go a certain number of times a year. Would have to say also that the speech, in marked contrast to his magnificent effort in '05, was truly awful, not helped by brutal sound system.
McConnell was very good also although I agree with bogball that Walsh made it easy for him in the first half. That said, probabaly the most important contribution specifically made by a goalkeeper (for the right reasons) since Cullen for Dublin in '74.
Amazed that the biggest noise (note I didn'tr say cheer) of the day - the goal and FT whistle apart - was when Galvin came on. Given that to my eye Tyrone supporters outnumbered Kerry by at least 2 to 1, one can only assume that some of his teams opponenets and many nuetrals too were glad to see him back. Might I suggest that the great unwashed / general public of the GAA may not have agreed with the way he was treated this year.
Finally, off the pitch but a real bugbear of the day. I attended but also listened into to RTE commentary. God bless him - I'm happy to believe that he is a decent fellow and all that - but Luke Dempsey is absolutely clueless and God help us Sligo people but he could be our next manager. He really doesn't have a clue. You'd expect an analyst to be able to explain bnot just waht has just happened but why it happened. THis guy is so bad that he doesn't even see half the time that something has happened. I suppose it doesn't matter if you're at home, nobody knows trhe differ but cliche after cliche rolled out and the same lazy stereotypes about players and players styles etc...
All in all though, a great day to enjoy. A real championship final - actually two of them - thouroughly deserved victory for Tyrone, real class and the discussion as to team of the decade has only two candidates. Kerry with four titles and seven finals can claim that as the ultimate benchmark but Tyrone's three against stronger opponents and their three victories over Ky along the way is also a compelling case. It would be fair to say that Kerry remain the benchmark in that they have won four and each of Tyrone's three victory seasons can be defined by victory over Kerry. I for one wil have no complaints if we find ourselves in 364 days time anticipating another round in this rivallry.
As for the minors, cracking game too - some brilliant scoring and is it my sight or were those Maypo guys all huge!!
Forget your premierships, your ryder cups, your olympics...... you wont find a greater sporting battle than what was witnessed today.
Superb both on and off the pitch, the greatest sport in the world without a doubt!!!!
Quote from: gallsman on September 21, 2008, 09:04:16 PM
O'Sé also fantastic, but should have walked for that elbow into the back of Cavanagh's neck at half time. No matter what the level of contact, it was a dirty, cynical little foul after the HT whistle had been blown. Twin Towers were held not with ease, but a great deal of planning and hard work- great performance from Tyrone's FB line. Donaghy spent most of the game whinging. Was one moment in particular that highlighted for me why I dislike Cooper so much. Late in the second half, he and Gormley contested the ball. Gormley won a free and came up with the ball. Cooper tried to get in and niggle and was shrugged off and held down with one arm- he wanted none of it after that!
Actual contact by O'Shea was minimal but he used the use the sharp end of the elbow. Maybe there was a case for him to get a red card.
This is the AI final, the ref kept it under control and overall he deserved high marks for common sense applied fairly.
The one thing that the Hayes article points up is thet total disregard southern pundits give to northern teams. I was fairly confident since the Dublin match that Tyrone would win this game but I was astounded over the weekend in the south by the amount of people who thought Kerry were going to walk this today, with some gobshite on Newstalk or TodayFm on Friday evening having them 8pts clear of Tyrone. Add in the fact that the half of these so called pundits couldn't even get the Tyrone boys names right and it made me think they haven't watched as many games as they'd have us believe.
Well done Tyrone and I'll try and take the enivatable (and deserved) ribbing in work over the next few days with good grace.
Was that a slight dig at the fans by Mickey on RTE there? Lyster referred to the enthusiasm of the fans and Harte responded that it started "a bit late in the day." Hope I haven't misquoted him but he obviously remembers who his real friends are when all and sundry are patting him on the back. Undoubtedly many of them were the same people calling for his head a couple of months ago.
As a Down man with limited respect for Tyrone after McGuigan's cynical gamesmanship and Canavan's diving of 2003, I have been converted this year and now vindicated! This year's Tyrone are a different team - less of the mouthing and codding of referees, more direct football, even greater intensity, and without doubt the best managerial brain in the business.
My money has been on Tyrone since the Dublin game, not for the margin that day but for the shape of their game, a plan they have mastered and stuck to.
I am truly delighted to celebrate them and accept them into the "3 All-Irelands in a decade" club - standing along with Down of the 1960's - no greater praise than that.
Two other points - firstly, this was a reaffirmation of how good gaelic football can be.
Secondly, and probably one of the reasons for the first point, the best common sense refereeing display for years.
Just back home, what a day!
Tyrone were fantastic, worked so hard for every ball. Mickey displayed today what a great panel he has.
Packie was immense given the circumstances and knowing the measure of the man he would never wish to win an All Ireland in those circumstances yet performed admirably. The Devine family can be very proud and lovely touch by Dooher at the speech.
Great occasion and as mentioned no other sporting event can come close.
Cannot help but think Kerry's attitide was more concerned with trying to assert 'authority' rather than focus on their individual battles today, basically they were too focused on trying to stop Tyrone rather than play their own game. This played into Tyrone's hands.
All in all a great game and I got my picture taken with John 3:7 today on the pitch at the end! ;)
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 21, 2008, 09:15:18 PM
as a derry man, all i can say is fair play to Tyrone, a first class side and well deserved, brilliant stuff
Thanks Hoof. ;)
First of all - Congrats to Tyrone.
Hats off to them especially to MH. He really is a genius and if we had him as manager then I think we would be untouchable!
This game was won by Tyrone for the following reasons :
1. MH - as stated above. He reads the game and does all the right things to stop the opposition.
2. No plan B by POS - when there was limited success with the high ball in on top of the FF line.
3. P McConnell turned the game for Tyrone - made 3 fantastic saves that could have turned the game if Kerry had got the goals.
4. Kerry wing forwards - Brosnan and Sheehan were poor and this was Kerry's worst line all year. Poor Brian today - he missed a few very kickable scores too.
5. Kerry wasteful in the 1st half - 7 wides!
Anyway as Tomas O Se said - we'll be back next year. Thanks to this Kerry team for great days over the last no. of years. They owe us nothing.
Quote from: Leo on September 21, 2008, 10:06:18 PM
As a Down man with limited respect for Tyrone after McGuigan's cynical gamesmanship and Canavan's diving of 2003, I have been converted this year and now vindicated! This year's Tyrone are a different team - less of the mouthing and codding of referees, more direct football, even greater intensity, and without doubt the best managerial brain in the business.
I was talking to somebody about this yesterday and he pointed out that since PTG has left the ranks, they've really cleaned up their act.
Anyone else think Darragh O Sé was very cynical this season epically after the ball had been played?
Quote from: Gnevin on September 21, 2008, 10:49:06 PM
Anyone else think Darragh O Sé was very cynical this season epically after the ball had been played?
I did not think so.
I think he has been great at times this year. I know he got the line twice, but he has taken his medicine.
I did sorta push Cavanagh today, but it was not even a yellow IMO, there was no power in it all. If O'Se wanted to hurt him he would have.
He was a joy to wtach in the first half today, pity the legs let him down in the second.
Quote from: Gnevin on September 21, 2008, 10:49:06 PM
Anyone else think Darragh O Sé was very cynical this season epically after the ball had been played?
honestly didn't see a change there, gooch has become a dirty wee bollox over the past 2/3 years all the same.
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on September 21, 2008, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 21, 2008, 10:49:06 PM
Anyone else think Darragh O Sé was very cynical this season epically after the ball had been played?
I did not think so.
I think he has been great at times this year. I know he got the line twice, but he has taken his medicine.
I did sorta push Cavanagh today, but it was not even a yellow IMO, there was no power in it all. If O'Se wanted to hurt him he would have.
He was a joy to wtach in the first half today, pity the legs let him down in the second.
Tis hardly the point he has swung numerous time after the incident this season and one time he had the cheek to offer his hand in front of the ref . ::)
Ok.
Has he connected with these swings?
Quote from: Gnevin on September 21, 2008, 10:49:06 PM
Anyone else think Darragh O Sé was very cynical this season epically after the ball had been played?
Darragh O'Se showed again today that he has few peers - he's a class act - will he call time on a great career ?
Who was that boy in the suit who was put on his hole at half time ?????????? ;) :D
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on September 21, 2008, 11:16:57 PM
Ok.
Has he connected with these swings?
With the majority of them yes and while some of them mightn't be the hardest swings ever their was a time when O Sé wasn't the type to start this type of thing .
Quotetheir was a time when O Sé wasn't the type to start this type of thing .
Maybe when he was playing U12. :D He is doing it at senior level as long as I am watching him. Just he used to be careful not to get caught.
It's very rare that a manager takes praise for a win, but read the past 4 pages and Mickey Harte gets metnioned more than anyone. Truly the greatest manager this game has seen. Obviolusly any manager still needs a certain amount of talent to work with to win an All-Ireland, but this was something else. Tyrone were magnificent.
Quote from: stiffler on September 21, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Forget your premierships, your ryder cups, your olympics...... you wont find a greater sporting battle than what was witnessed today.
Superb both on and off the pitch, the greatest sport in the world without a doubt!!!!
Did you not see Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night?
Quote from: Gnevin on September 21, 2008, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on September 21, 2008, 11:16:57 PM
Ok.
Has he connected with these swings?
With the majority of them yes and while some of them mightn't be the hardest swings ever their was a time when O Sé wasn't the type to start this type of thing .
I cannot remember specifics, but if it was a strike then he has to go.
It would take a real dirty hallion to get sent off 3 times in the one season.
Tremendous victory and another proud day for Tyrone folk the world over. The collective bunch of players and staff from 2003-2008 will go down in the annals as our all-time greats.
All analysis has been covered on here it seems. For the last fortnight I firmly believed we'd beat Kerry by 5-7 points and wobbled slightly yesterday with horrendous visions of Donaghy and Walsh at the top of their game. The McMahon Bros did one hell of a job back there, although it was hairy at times. To be honest I thought Kerry's tactics were atrocious and were lumping the ball on top of the big yins from minute 1 until minute 72, completely wiping out any attacking force coming from other areas from 5-12. They called it the antidote...well...it wasn't Kerry football and didn't do them any favours.
The reason I thought we'd comfortably beat them was
a) despite what the media and others say, we have better footballers and in saying that I mean all-round footballers for 70 mins. Their record at all levels prove that (and not always under Mickey Harte)
b) we would run the legs off Kerry, esp their hf line and that was the case when Kerry shot their bolt on 60 mins.
However, we didn't comfortably beat them. The 2 saves (1 save, one poor finish) were crucial. Kerry are also a good side and Jordan/Harte were not allowed to do much damage as expected. Tyrone's running game from defence never got going until late on, simply because Kerry matched their tenacity and intensity individually. Dooher and Mellon were turned over a few times early on and it did look like Kerry'd done their homework. But, as in previous years, they couldn't maintain that for any substantial period of time. Tyrone can.
You could shoot Hughes for shooting but he made himself a nuisance and was always available. Mugsy also showed well when introduced and B McGuigan did the simple things at the correct time. Tommy was struggling to impose himself and McCullagh was being offered few options. Cooper roasted Gormley for the first 15 but Conor gave him one hell of a winding in giving away a free. Cooper didn't really count after that. Donaghy did not like Justin's attention one little bit and had his worst All-Ireland simply because he met a quality defender. Walsh was always a handful and turned Joe with some ease in the second although Joe'd lost the boot.
In the final 10 mins Sean, Enda, Owen, Kevin, Ricey, Conor, Phillip and Brian D stood tall - the class of '03. Quality players.
Mickey, Sean et al blame the Tyrone fans for losing faith in June - of course many did and there was much reason to do so after 06/07 and the league of 08. However, perhaps that criticism galvanized the side and as Ricey said in today's Times, it made them think they're not always 'up there' in the estimations of the rest of the county.
Mickey - you've the freedom of Tyrone.
Any chance of Harte nipping across the Blackwater for a few years? lol
Or the Ballinderry River?
Congrats to tyrone & to all involved who took team that looked like a bunch of aul fellas, to All Ireland champs is incredible.But now that ye won another title will ye please fcuk off & give the rest of us a go.Before ya get carried away lads,mickey harte has a long way to go before he becomes a Mick o Dwyer,he's good,but he's not that good.
Dubs 09 ;D
Quote from: Osama bin Dublin on September 22, 2008, 12:10:59 AM
Congrats to tyrone & to all involved who took team that looked like a bunch of aul fellas, to All Ireland champs is incredible.But now that ye won another title will ye please fcuk off & give the rest of us a go.Before ya get carried away lads,mickey harte has a long way to go before he becomes a Mick o Dwyer,he's good,but he's not that good.
Dubs 09 ;D
YET!
Mickey Harte will stay with this Tyrone team for the foreseeable future from what I can see. I also think he's the kind of man who won't take another team only his own as evidenced by all his managerial experience being at his local college, local club and local county. A great and while not in the Micko or Heffo category yet if he gets the next senior all ireland he will definitely have a case given his underage and club success!!
o neill what game were you at ? Jordan and Harte did all the bloody damage , they set up every attack how o shea didn;t see it was beyond me.
Twas only as Kerry tired that both started to show what they can do. I thought Jordan wasn't as prominent as in the previous outings but still had a decent game.
Tyrone were great today, the full back line was rock solid, the half ack line set up all attacks, i thought that Hub changed the game, he spolied the ball in the middle and made some strong runs, it was great to see such legends as mugsy, hub, mc guigan and o'neill back in the heartbeat at the end!!!!
I didn't see all those long balls O'Neill was talking about that Kerry hit, in hope of landing on the 2 watchtowers.
Tyrone cut them off at the pass.
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2008, 11:41:53 PM
Mickey, Sean et al blame the Tyrone fans for losing faith in June - of course many did and there was much reason to do so after 06/07 and the league of 08. However, perhaps that criticism galvanized the side and as Ricey said in today's Times, it made them think they're not always 'up there' in the estimations of the rest of the county.
Or perhaps what I am hearing now is not the sound of the empty vessels being rattled, just the scraping at the bottom looking for justification ::)
Few points for what its worth...
Fully deserved victory by Tyrone...the best team won..
Darragh Se was exceptional and did his best to crown what will probably be his last appearance in HQ with a deadly display of fielding and back up play.
The Tyrone full back line were immense...the twin towers were living on scraps.
Sean Cavanagh is as good a footballer as I've seen in the last 10 years.
Finally with a bit of work Tyrone might be good enough to up their game next year and beat Down ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2008, 09:57:37 PM
Was that a slight dig at the fans by Mickey on RTE there? Lyster referred to the enthusiasm of the fans and Harte responded that it started "a bit late in the day." Hope I haven't misquoted him but he obviously remembers who his real friends are when all and sundry are patting him on the back. Undoubtedly many of them were the same people calling for his head a couple of months ago.
Was at the banquet - and yes it was dig! Deservedly so too! Justy McM must be young player of the year - immense!
Will need to watch the game again before commenting in full. Have to say was only obout 80% confident this year as opposed to 100% the prevoius years.
Funny thing is Kerry v Trone next time in the championship will lead to 2-1 odds for Tyrone and Kerry thinking they've only to show up.
Thanks again PaddyPower and Kerry.
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2008, 01:02:43 AM
I didn't see all those long balls O'Neill was talking about that Kerry hit, in hope of landing on the 2 watchtowers.
Tyrone cut them off at the pass.
That's a truly remarkable statement. Kerry's first attack was a rocket launcher and in the first 15 minutes almost every attack was through the same method. I'd imagine if you sat down to watch it again you're talking about double figures.
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2008, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2008, 11:41:53 PM
Mickey, Sean et al blame the Tyrone fans for losing faith in June - of course many did and there was much reason to do so after 06/07 and the league of 08. However, perhaps that criticism galvanized the side and as Ricey said in today's Times, it made them think they're not always 'up there' in the estimations of the rest of the county.
Or perhaps what I am hearing now is not the sound of the empty vessels being rattled, just the scraping at the bottom looking for justification ::)
Again you're away off the mark. If Mickey is talking about those who were calling for his head, he's totally justified. I think there was only one poster on here in one of the earlier match threads. He's probably aiming this at the nasty comments aimed at him as he walked off the field in Newry and hopefully those people are hanging their heads in shame today. Those were the 'empty vessels'.
In terms of losing faith that we were All-Ireland challengers I'd say 90% of the county had those doubts in June and I'd include some of the players. McMenamin thought of packing it in and it was only when Mickey sent him a text the morning after the Down game to say forget about the Down game, they'd win an All-Ireland yet that his mindset began to change. The players believed first - we followed a while after. Personally I thought an All-Ireland was out of reach simply because there seemed to be a severe lack of scoring power. I didn't invisage seeing Harte and Joe McMahon knock goals past Dublin!
Congrats to Tyrone. Well deserved victory. Kavanagh was fantastic but McConnell's second half save clinched it. Only downside for me was caveman McMahon's ranting and raving and O'Se's sneaky and cheap hit at the half time whistle. Enjoy it.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 08:14:16 AM
Where does this leave Down? The only team to beat Tyrone in the 2008 championship.
I'd say they can consider themselves to have reached the same heights as Meath - the only team to beat Tyrone in the 2007 championship.
Brilliant ;D
There is something special about those lads.
Some team. Superb manager.
Well done Tyrone.
Well done Tyrone next year you might go one better and beat DOWN ;)
With teeth firmly gritted I have to congratulate the county of my grandmother's birth and marvel at the management skills of Harte, surely up there with the likes of Heffernan and O'Dwyer in the pantheon of all time greats. As Brolly, said this team is far greater than the sum of its parts and it highlights once again the importance of quality management. Who would have thought that Donaghy would be or could be so subdued?
Tyrone's record of defending Sam isn't great: 04 lost to Mayo on the quarters, 06 lost to Laois in a swampy Portlaoise.
Well done to Tyrone yesterday. they are a brilliant side. Very well organised and it was a fantastic tribute to john Devine as they dedicated the victory to him.
Well done to Tyrone. At times in first half yesterday I thought Kerry were going to cut loose but Tyrone kept hanging in there and eventually ground it out. After the save from Declan O'Sullivan Kerry lads wilted - you could see it in their body language. Sean Cavanagh really produced when Tyrone needed it .
Kerry will be back next year with two new wing forwards - Galvin maybe one of them but I doubt if Bryan Sheehan will be seen on the field at Croker again - Moran will be hitting the frees next year. I hope Darrragh O se doesnt quit - he was outstanding yesterday.
Was there any need for the booing of Galvin yesterday - I dont think I have ever heard the like of it at a GAA match. The lad has served his time.
Very well done to Tyrone, completely deserved it, and Kerry are really unable to figure ye out. That happens with certain teams from time to time, but there's no doubt that Tyrone have the measure of Kerry in this particular era. Well done again.
I hope Kerry don't try and do any dramatic surgery. This wasn't a seminal beating like the one in 2003, or even in 2005. This was a game that they had chances to win, and but for some fine saves they would have been in business. This was two very evenly matched teams, and the slightly better one on the day won out.
Well done Tyrone, hard luck Kerry.
Also, condolences to John Devine and his family on the loss of his father. There are much more important things than football, but I hope Tyrone's win will help them somehow.
Nearly forgot. Can someone dig out my quote in the Bad luck for Brian McGuigan thread from the start of the year where I said that if Tyrone gor Brian McGuigan and Stephen O'Neill back, they'd win Sam? :D :p
Great game, really enjoyed it, and either team could have won with 10 to go. Congrats Tyrone.
i also didnt like the booing of the minor lad who kicked mayos last free kick, no call for it in our game. however im not gonna be negative about yrone cos their performance yest was fantastic.
much better organised, far better game plan and they stuck to it and it came off for them in the end. great game to be at. riddled with mistakes but for the neutral that made it all the more exciting. tyrone showed far more hunger and i think on the day thats what it came down to. great team, well done!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2008, 02:54:23 PM
If Brian McGuigan is back and healthy, and the brother stays fit as well, Tyrone will win the All Ireland this year.
Ahem :D Shag it, if Tony can do it, so can I :D
Congratulations to Tyrone. I have to admit I was one of the people that felt they had reached their peak and were on the way down. Have to hold my hands up and admit I got that wrong. Quite how Harte and the players turned things around so spectacularily is really amazing. Tyrone were so fit, hungry and sharp it was like they hadn't a tough season behind them. Kerry were relying on the brilliance of some of their players while Tyrone relied on a total team effort. Kerry had a few passengers while every Tyrone player had a job and stuck to it. I suppose saying that these games hinge on the smallest little things, Kerry had an effort cleared of the line and then a great save by the Tyrone goalie. Doohers two points were incredible and Sean Cavanagh had a suberb game. Great to finish the season with such an entertaining final. Enjoy it lads. Now you are only 2 all irelands behind Cavan and Down ;)
Well done to Tyrone, very worthy winners for 2008.
Commiserations to Kerry, but they were carrying a few passangers yesterday and there didnt seem to be any plan B from midfield up once the long ball option wasnt working.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on August 05, 2008, 04:09:57 PM
Tyrone
Armagh
Cork
Galway
Overall prediction...Tyrone to come from nowhere and lift Sam!! (OK, I'll take more water wiith it!!)
Wish I backed my gut on Aug 5th!!
Quote from: ONeill on September 22, 2008, 07:26:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 22, 2008, 01:02:43 AM
I didn't see all those long balls O'Neill was talking about that Kerry hit, in hope of landing on the 2 watchtowers.
Tyrone cut them off at the pass.
That's a truly remarkable statement. Kerry's first attack was a rocket launcher and in the first 15 minutes almost every attack was through the same method. I'd imagine if you sat down to watch it again you're talking about double figures.
I had a quick look at 12x speed and I had underestimated the number of hoofs directed at the full forwards.
About 12 in all and I am not counting the direct passes to the Gooch.
About 15 times Kerry passed or played their way through
and a few times ball fell well short.
You missed the sarcasm smiley on the scratching of the vessels.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 22, 2008, 06:08:34 AM
6. Donaghey and Walsh were well tied up by the Tyrone defence, not the first time some bearded men have toppled a set of twin towers. Cooper on the other hand had a sound game and poor Kerry tactics failed to capitalise on this. I find it very hard to believe after all these years that Kerry don't have a plan B for attacking tactics.
Despicable, disgraceful comment there. Can't even pass that off as an attempt at humour. You should be banned.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 22, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 22, 2008, 06:08:34 AM
6. Donaghey and Walsh were well tied up by the Tyrone defence, not the first time some bearded men have toppled a set of twin towers. Cooper on the other hand had a sound game and poor Kerry tactics failed to capitalise on this. I find it very hard to believe after all these years that Kerry don't have a plan B for attacking tactics.
Despicable, disgraceful comment there. Can't even pass that off as an attempt at humour. You should be banned.
that has been doing the rounds for a couple of weeks now - would ya wise up
Always easy to be wise after the event, I know, but when the Down fans invaded the pitch in Newry, it was something which didn't sit easy with me. Ok, we had beaten Tyrone, but I did feel it was a big over-reaction.
I always knew at that point the Tyrone would go further than us in Championship, I didn't necessarily think they would win it, but felt that once a few injuries cleared up and if they could get a good bit of momentum through the qualifiers, that they could get to the AI semi-finals at least. Knowing the type of person Mickey Harte is, I knew he would use that experience, as if he needed to, to motivate his players again.
I would also wonder what this means for the provincial championships? Neither team yesterday were provincial champions this year and Tyrone have 'only' won two Ulster titles in the last six years, but won three Sams.
Anyway, congratulations to Mickey Harte and Tyrone, they did it when it mattered and are worthy winners.
Can anyone break the six-year Tyrone-Kerry stranglehold on Sam?
Congrats to the Red Hands - well merited.
Well done Tyrone, was rooting for them even after Doohers antics up in Omagh. He was at them again yesterday and had Mugsy for company, not to mention Joe McMahon doing a Dub on it (tongue in cheek comment Gnevin before you blow a gasket) >:( O'Mahony was the quietest I've ever seen him and his antics in the semi were probably still preying on his mind. Thought Tyrone were gonna kick it away in the second half, although fair play to Hughes for sticking at it. Did anyone see what happened for Colm Cavanagh's point? Take it Murphy made a balls of the kick-out, fecking rte...
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 22, 2008, 06:08:34 AM
I didn't get a chance to see the match out here live, but I've seen the replay so some thoughts...
1. It may appear that Stephen O'Neill wasn't up to much once he came on but he didn't have his worst performance in a Tyrone jersey out there and to come back into the fold after two years out was going to not be 100% up to the task. He did however create opportunities for his team mates even though he didn't get on to the score sheet himself.
2. Tommy McGuigan's goal will stand as one of the most important toe-pokes in Tyrone GF history!
3. The incident at half time with O'Se's elbow to Cavanagh - may have looked innocuous but it turned a big physiological edge on the game in favour of Tyrone.
4. Not a classic match by any means but still a very good one. Quite a lot of unforced errors from players on both sides.
5. Pascal McConnell never had a big reputation as an important shot-stopper but he enhanced that brilliantly in this match. Barely put a foot wrong.
6. Donaghey and Walsh were well tied up by the Tyrone defence, not the first time some bearded men have toppled a set of twin towers. Cooper on the other hand had a sound game and poor Kerry tactics failed to capitalise on this. I find it very hard to believe after all these years that Kerry don't have a plan B for attacking tactics.
7. This win had similar hallmarks of '05. I said back then that September that it didn't appear that it would be happening after drawing and struggling against Cavan in the Ulster Championship. Ditto '08 after losing to Down and struggling against Westmeath and Mayo, only after did they wreck Dublin in a similar fashion that I would wreck Jessica Alba did a sense of self-belief at least outside of the squad itself start to come back.
8. Tyrone have won an All-Ireland title without Peter Canavan being involved. Massive physiological boost within the county.
9. Mickey Harte may well be able to say that this was done for themselves rather than the supporters, but that without the support the team wouldn't function as good as it can do. He's pretty much silenced any doubters of his with this title and I would guess talks of stepping down will now transfer to talks of seeing how long he will stay at the helm. He has helped achieve this with a significant amount of "new" players involved in the squad and so has helped put to bed the idea that he got fortunate to have a talented bunch of players at the right time of his management of various county teams. The amount of county, Ulster & All-Ireland titles he has won as a coach/manager with Tyrone at Senior, U21, Minor levels, in his one year as Errigal Ciaran manager and taking teams from St. Ciaran's Ballygawley is mind-boggling.
10. I'm going to quietly celebrate in my little corner of the planet far away from home for now, away from all the buzz...
[/quotemy friend, good analysis,,but that comment was a little inappropriate
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 08:14:16 AM
Where does this leave Down? The only team to beat Tyrone in the 2008 championship.
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but what about the clearance of the line by a Tyrone back when the ball almost bounced over the line having passed Packy McConnell? Surely a turning point?
u sure this isnt the minor game u are talking about?
Anybody see Michaela hitting someone a wee slap at the end when she was hanging off Mickey's neck trying to get on the TV? Fair play!
Congratulations to everyone concerned in Tyrone. As an Armagh & Ulster man I was 100% behind them yesterday. I work down south & I am sick of the negative comments made by the southern Media and others about Tyrone, Armagh etc... The amount who completely dismissed tyrone was unbelieveable, citing 6-7 point victory for Kerry! It was great to watch the sunday game last night and see Spillane & his cohorts eat humble pie.
Kerry just do not have an answer for Tyrone at the moment, Micky Harte is a genius (& it really reflects on those clowns calling for his head earlier in the year) He got his tactics spot on. I thought the Kerry management panicked and did not have a clue what to do, when it came to the crunch. Galvin should have been introduced at half time, after being out so long he needed at least 10-15 mins to get into the game. Why take off tommy walsh? He & the gooch were the only men winning ball.
Anyway, I thought the Mc Mahons were outstanding, likewise Dooher & Enda Mc Ginley. MOTM was Cavanagh. Now that you have 3, do ye fancy lending us mickey for a couple of years??
Great win by Tyrone. Donaghy is an effective footballer but his limitations were well exposed yesterday; T Walsh is not the finished article either though he will improve (especially if he goes to Oz!). Brosnan and Sheehan were poor - why do players like them usually play best v Galway? Galvin wasn't the answer to Kerry's problems, they needed quicker, more scoring forwards. Kerry will still be hard to beat next year, any team with Gooch will always be a threat, but they won't have the aura of invincibility as before. Tyrone will be there again in 2009 but yesterday's result may open it up for next year.
Punditry-wise Joe Brolly takes the honours for calling it correct. The team of the season last night was a bit of a joke; Darragh O'Se had a better year than O'Neill, his sendings off notwithstanding. Meehan and Joyce had more claim to be selected instead of the ordinary Donaghy.
Some recognition of a good refereeing performance would be in order for a change.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on September 22, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Anybody see Michaela hitting someone a wee slap at the end when she was hanging off Mickey's neck trying to get on the TV? Fair play!
Actually, it might have a Guard who thouht Mickey Harte was being mauled by some female. She was fairly slapping all round her.
That may have been Harte been congratulated by Pillar, who was stewarding, and acknowledging it.
Quote from: mouview on September 22, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
Donaghy is an effective footballer but his limitations were well exposed yesterday;
The team of the season last night was a bit of a joke; Darragh O'Se had a better year than O'Neill, his sendings off notwithstanding. Meehan and Joyce had more claim to be selected instead of the ordinary Donaghy.
Donaghy has aerial ability and power but he loses a lot of ball and McMahon shows he can be marked. Walsh is a different propsition altogether and will be the star of Kerry for years to come.
Agree on Meehan for the team of the year. The big wrecking ball of a midfielder for Wexford (sorry, name forgotten but not his presence) would get my vote ahead of the brilliant but patchy Dara O'Se.
Quote from: mouview on September 22, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on September 22, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Anybody see Michaela hitting someone a wee slap at the end when she was hanging off Mickey's neck trying to get on the TV? Fair play!
Actually, it might have a Guard who thouht Mickey Harte was being mauled by some female. She was fairly slapping all round her.
That may have been Harte been congratulated by Pillar, who was stewarding, and acknowledging it.
Well the Blue Book did say Pillar would be in Croke Park on the 3rd Sunday in September.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on September 22, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Anybody see Michaela hitting someone a wee slap at the end when she was hanging off Mickey's neck trying to get on the TV? Fair play!
Actually, it might have a Guard who thouht Mickey Harte was being mauled by some female. She was fairly slapping all round her.
Was that his daughter? Looked like she hadn't seen him since 2003.
I dont think it was a good refereeing performance.
In the first twenty minutes Tyrone got everything from the ref...the Kerry full forward line were being constantly held ...there should have been more frees and not a single booking arose. Donaghy takes dogs abuse on the field ...Tommy Lyons mentioned it during year but there seem to be an attitude that he is big enough to look after himself.
The ref probably balanced it out a bit later . Tommy Griffin was particularly lucky not to get the line.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2008, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 22, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
Some recognition of a good refereeing performance would be in order for a change.
Maurice Deegan was excellent. Commonsense with some authority goes a long way. Dealt with all the handbags with good humour and didn't tolerate some intimidation, e.g. Joe McMahon having a go at young Walsh at the beginning of the game lead to Tyrone conceding a hop ball from a free out. He didn't allow Dara's stupidity and Cavanagh's antics to spoil the game with a sending off. Mind you it could have been a help to Kerry.
BTW did anyone think both teams were struggling with fitness in the last ten minutes, some players on both sides just couldn't raise a gallop.
Was it for that he threw the ball up or Ricey's shoulder into Gooch (I think) after picking up the ball to take the free kick? Initial impression was that it went against Ricey but not so sure now...
On the refereeing front I agree Deegan did a good job although I was sure he was gonna ruin it based on his earlier fussy outings this year. Good to see he loosened up as the year went on.
I thought Deegan was good enough. I'd probably have given more frees to the Kerry full forward line at times, but overall he was sensible and calm, which is vital in a cauldron like that.
Also, major bonus points for him/his linesman for giving a free in to Tyrone for an off the ball episode of pulling and dragging about 60 yards away. That's what needs to happen to cut that stuff out.
Well done Tyrone, worthy champions.
First off well done Tyrone.
I haven't watched the match recording yet to figure out exactly all the whats and the whys. I've been too busy nursing a hangover and fielding calls and texts from Langer neighbours and work colleagues. I've had to crankily reply that it reflects poorly on a county that they can only revel in another's loss when they have little success of their own to revel in and their women have to show them the way.
In terms of excitement yesterday the heart is still going at around 150%. Not taking away from Tyrone, they way they set themselves up and the way that they played, I think our sideline made a couple of bad calls that (and hindsight is 100%) might have been handled differently. Our 2 wing forwards had poor games. Brian Sheehan is a no 15 (or goalie) who is handy with frees but far from infallible. Brosnan looks disinterested. Darren O'Sullivan was brought on too late. Ditto Tommy Griffin and David Moran. Paul Galvin coming on may have raised the crowd, he did get some cheer as well as some booing, but he seemed well off the tempo of the game. Our twin towers did not get going. They were well marshalled, some off it maybe not 100% legit - but hey you play the ref and go by his whistle. We wasted alot of ball going in high and aimless. I thought Declan O'Sullivan had the run of the left wing channel a couple of times when he took it but with his wing forward colleagues not performing he played most of the time too deeply. His goal chance at the end - what if?
All the talk about yesterday being a decider for team of the decade - there's another year to go and Tyrone have yet to defend an All Ireland. Will this pick at Micky Harte's mind the same way that the Red Hand upsets ours?
All in all we can't grumble too much but remember - we'll be back.
Well done Tyrone...There was no mention of puke football from that mupet Spillane lat night. I think "Humble pie" was used a few times
Frank, team of the decade so far are Kerry surely? If Tyrone win next year they will be level.
No other arguments count other than the medal count.
Thats not being bitter, I've as much reason to begrudge Kerry as I have Tyrone ;)
The main thing is that the CURRENT best team in the land are Tyrone, and deservedly so.
QuoteNo other arguments count other than the medal count.
What's the point of having a discussion board if that is true. Surely there is more depth to analysis than just counting who won? Players get injured, teams have particular sequences of games and so on.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2008, 05:44:47 PM
QuoteNo other arguments count other than the medal count.
What's the point of having a discussion board if that is true. Surely there is more depth to analysis than just counting who won? Players get injured, teams have particular sequences of games and so on.
But ultimately history reflects on the black and white of winners and losers.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2008, 05:44:47 PM
QuoteNo other arguments count other than the medal count.
What's the point of having a discussion board if that is true. Surely there is more depth to analysis than just counting who won? Players get injured, teams have particular sequences of games and so on.
teams also capituilating when they get to the big occasion can be added to that list!! Kerry's last 3 final wins were against teams who just did not turn up on the day!!
take that whatever way you want, but that is the way i see it!
Just home from Dublin ;D
Well done Tyrone, I never thought that I'd see the day that I'd roar myself hoarse for the divers but I couldn't help it!
Ulster says no to 3 in a row!!!!
what a day! what a game - as good a game of championship football as you'll see. think it was the most intense game since tyrone v armagh in the '05 semi. well done tyrone and well done mickey harte!
I am just coming round now and getting ready to head to Omagh. What a day and what a feeling. The mood in the Citywest was amazing last night, a fantastic night and they players could not stop smiling.
What an advertisement for gaelic football yesterdays two games were. The passion and committment wwas there for all the world to see and the games were played at a very high level with plenty of skill on show.
Kerry could have been out of site at the half, they missed too many good chances and they tended to rely on the long ball way too much. Donaghy was quiet and the long ball tactic backfired on them, that said they are some team all the same, they ran into a team that was fitter and better prepared tactically.
Cavanagh is a legend at this stage, as is Dooher. Cavanagh was the best player on display and will cruise to another all star.
Hell slap it up the southern press, pundits and especially that gobshite Spilane, where is your puke football theory now Pat?
Kerry seem to be able to ge5t it done against everybody except Tyrone, they cant figure them out and I would like to help them. Outwork Tyrone in training from November until the last ball is kicked, they were far fitter in the last fifteen minutes and kerry looked punch drunk in the last five to ten minutes. Tyrone have got to be one of the fittest teams ever to play the game.
The only negative that stood out for me was the Mulligan dive, that was a disgrace however it should not take away from a fantastic final, both teams were brilliant and gave us a final for the ages.
As for Armagh, we couldnt come within eight points of either team and we need to overhaul our strategy because it no longer works, playing two wing forwards in the half back line contributed to kerry's downfall yesterday.
Great performance by Tyrone yesterday - couldnt believe Pat o'se took off Walsh for Galvin - Walsh in my opinion was kerrys most dangerous forward at that time after just scoring a decent point.
On another point - did anyone hear gregory campbell on radio ulster this morning - he was on with mickey harte and was asked if he would congratulate the tyrone team - he said something along the lines of its always great when a british team wins an international competition! The bigotry is actually quite funny at this stage! Mickey Harte, needless to say, kept a dignified silence!
;D ('nough said)
Burp ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D!!
Fantastic day all round.
great day and even better result, hope we get a good turnout in omagh tonight to welcome the boys home
What a team, what a game, what a manager!!
A great, great result, delighted for Tyrone. Mickey Harte is such a gent but he's such a tactician, he played Pat O Se off the pitch in the second half.
Without a doubt the best manager in the country and the team of the decade.
Tyrone worked harder, won every battle and wanted it so much more.
They had Dooher, a top class player against Galvin, there on a technicallity, a reduced suspension and his first contribution to the game..getting booked for a high tackle..what a pro. ::) ::)
No doubt that the best team won.
Tír Eoghan abú!!
congratulations to tyrone, great team, manager and fans they are worthy ai champions. i was gutted at the end of yesterdays game but am coming around a bit now! as one tyrone fan sitting near me said in the 67th minute "this is supposed to be fun" while everyone was on the verge of a heart attack!
i made my point about paul galvin starting earlier in the thread and of course hindsight is great but the decision regarding brosnan baffled me. d walsh started there a few times and it worked ok with brosnan coming on. why the change? why take off a poor sheehan with 5 minutes to go and nothing in the game? the one time you need a great freetaker is the last few minutes of a close al final. how many big games come down to a free kick? if he was to come off was it not obvious at half time? nor would i have taken t walsh off... having said all that if anyone looks at the stats for the game there was nothing in it, possession, pass completion, wides, frees, kickouts retained. with a few minutes anyone could have won it and tyrone did. so fair play to them they won a battle of two great teams. the team of the decade is not tyrones tho at least not yet! next year if they win the ai then its up for grabs...
despite the above hopefully the kerry management will stay on (rumour is they wont this evening), its a learning curve for them too and pat o shea and co owe kerry football nothing, they have put their lives into kerry football the last few years and i hope they get there rewards in the coming years. meanwhile hats off to micky hart and tyrone, a great team
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2008, 06:41:54 PM
Great performance by Tyrone yesterday - couldnt believe Pat o'se took off Walsh for Galvin - Walsh in my opinion was kerrys most dangerous forward at that time after just scoring a decent point.
On another point - did anyone hear gregory campbell on radio ulster this morning - he was on with mickey harte and was asked if he would congratulate the tyrone team - he said something along the lines of its always great when a british team wins an international competition! The bigotry is actually quite funny at this stage! Mickey Harte, needless to say, kept a dignified silence!
Campbell is a clampett who panders to the ignorant, nothing more, nothing less. I am sure Harte thought he was a complete tosser but acted with class by keeping stchum.
Gregory is a man living in the past, and nothing he, or any other hater can say anything that takes the shine of a beautiful day in Croker when two giants gave us a magnificent game of flowing football, Irishmen all no matter what Campbell and his ilk spew. Roll on 2009 and up Armagh.
great match and great craic in the Bot during the game. place was bouncing when Tommy McGuigan got the goal, Doohers first point was amazing. Kerry tried three times to bang him over the line only for him to put it over the bar, best score in the game.
suffered today, but well worth it...oh to be 18 again :'(
Well done tyrone, I thought you would be well beaten but thanks for proving me wrong.
And the beauty of it was the great sporting football you played against the "masters" of the game.
Tyrone grew a thousand times in my mind, great game and congratulations.
Quote from: magickingdom on September 22, 2008, 08:02:06 PM
meanwhile hats off to micky hart and tyrone, a great team
Sláinte
mk. I met a Kerry lad (Listowel) at the Citywest this morning who was there just to see the champions off, I had been speaking to him previously at the Cork-Kerry games; class. It might be hard for the vast majority of Kerry folk to appreciate it at this juncture, but paradoxically, this is good not just for football in general, but for Kerry football in particular. Cáide abú (though we'll still beat you when you step it up again ;))!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 22, 2008, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 22, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 22, 2008, 06:08:34 AM
6. Donaghey and Walsh were well tied up by the Tyrone defence, not the first time some bearded men have toppled a set of twin towers. Cooper on the other hand had a sound game and poor Kerry tactics failed to capitalise on this. I find it very hard to believe after all these years that Kerry don't have a plan B for attacking tactics.
Despicable, disgraceful comment there. Can't even pass that off as an attempt at humour. You should be banned.
that has been doing the rounds for a couple of weeks now - would ya wise up
I am perfectly wise thank you. Peter Canavan's cousin was one of those killed on 9/11.
No disrespect to the deceased of 9/11, but if crass epithets like 'Twin Towers' are introduced don't hold your breath for dignity.
Congrats to Tyrone worthy champions.One hell of a match right down to the wire . Wrecked today Five finals in a row for our boys they owe us nothing I hope we don't have too many retirements but I have heard rumours of a couple .Great atmosphere at the game and despite the result a good night out In Dublin
Thanks John (and Frank, and mk, and the rest of the Kingdom contingent). We had a couple of great nights in O'Shea's the Merchants here in Dublin. Couldn't get one of our number off the stage again, but that's becoming something of a habit at this stage, with full complicity of the Kerry folk. I think we are truly in something of a golden era for the football, and we're just so happy to be such a component part of it. Not easy for yourselves to fully acknowledge that now, but you will I'd say; and maybe one day you'll even thank us ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2008, 09:09:07 PM
Thanks John (and Frank, and mk, and the rest or the Kingdom contingent). We had a couple of great nights in O'Shea's the Merchants here in Dublin. Couldn't get one of our number off the stage again, but that's becoming something of a habit at this stage, with full complicity of the Kerry folk. I think we are truly in something of a golden era for the football, and we're just so happy to be such a component part of it. Not easy for yourselves to fully acknowledge that now, but you will I'd say; and maybe one day you'll even thank us ;)
Thanks Fear it is indeed a great age for football .2009 will be very interesting .It is not easy to stay at the top .
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2008, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on September 22, 2008, 08:02:06 PM
meanwhile hats off to micky hart and tyrone, a great team
Sláinte mk. I met a Kerry lad (Listowel) at the Citywest this morning who was there just to see the champions off, I had been speaking to him previously at the Cork-Kerry games; class. It might be hard for the vast majority of Kerry folk to appreciate it at this juncture, but paradoxically, this is good not just for football in general, but for Kerry football in particular. Cáide abú (though we'll still beat you when you step it up again ;))!
doesnt feel like that right now fear! as john power says its not easy to stay at the top... altho micky harte is doing a good job of it - hes the only manager to have led a team to minor, u21 and senior all irelands which is some achievement.
If Mickey Harte was the Kerry manager Kerry would have beaten Tyrone comfortably. But what makes him outstanding is that he has, is and will always be a winner and unlike O'Dwyer does not need a host of so called 'stars'
Quote from: Real Talk on September 22, 2008, 09:58:33 PM
If Mickey Harte was the Kerry manager Kerry would have beaten Tyrone comfortably...
With all
due respect... bullsh*t.
Amazing game - see-sawed one way then the other - everyone kept on the edges of their seats right until the last kick. Both teams deserve great praise for the spectacle they put on but in the end for their sheer workrate alone Tyrone deserved their victory and are worthy champions. I totally agree with other contributors that Dooher's first point was amazing - I was on the upper deck of the Cussack and had a perfect view. I don't think I've ever seen a better point in an All Ireland final.
If you're suffering from article overload (Tom Humphries Irish Times), don't read:
Kerry bearded by familiar ghost
A three-in-a-row that seemed inevitable for much of the summer just evaporated yesterday as Tyrone, full of the confidence and game that have made them famous, seized their third All-Ireland of the decade.
Somewhere in Kerry there is a self-help therapy group about to get a new member. Páidí Ó Sé will talk this week about how Tyrone saw him off as manager, about how defeat in 2003 was just too much even for a man who had eight All-Irelands as a player.
Jack O'Connor will speak next of how the unavenged defeat in 2005 diminished his legacy. And then a gaunt man in the corner will begin his piece: "My name is Pat and I too . . ."
This was Tyrone's day but the nature of their achievement, in front of a crowd of 82,186, is such we can only do it justice by eulogising Kerry first. This Kerry side, appearing in their fifth successive All-Ireland final, have at times in the past couple of years looked as if they had discovered a way to win big games on autopilot.
When the chips were down, great towering stacks of chips that would frighten ordinary mortals, Kerry were the coolest and most collected players at the table.
And it was this solidity, this self-belief, these traditions that Tyrone undid yet again yesterday.
Tyrone, like Down before them in the 1960s, just seem to be too far removed geographically and culturally to know Kerry are supposed to spook them. They come out to play, impose themselves on the green-and-gold in a manner Kerry find to be uppity and disrespectful, and it works.
One of the first visible signs of Tyrone's difference yesterday was when the television screens flashed a picture of a frenzied and bearded Tyrone defender roaring into the ear of young Tommy Walsh.
When Pat Spillane christened Tyrone's style of play "puke football" a few years ago one suspects that in Tyrone they were far less distressed than they let on to be.
Inasmuch as they think about or care about what Kerry people think of their style of play, Tyrone are happy enough just to be under their skin. Whatever works is the style of football everyone wants to imitate.
Tyrone have been much copied, even to an extent by Kerry, but they haven't gone away.
Back in 1955 when Kerry put away a Dublin team in a famous All-Ireland final the victory of traditional virtues over Dublin's peskily scientific approach was heralded on the front page of the Kerryman as a triumph for catch-and-kick. Yesterday, being the first meeting of the teams since the true coming of Kieran Donaghy, was scheduled to be another triumph of catch-and-kick over the mutations inflicted on the game by interlopers. In the end Kerry got plenty of kick but very little catch.
"Aye," said Mickey Harte of the late change that saw Ciarán Gourley withdrawn from the Tyrone full-back line. "Joe McMahon is a man for any day. He is big and he is physical. He would map that physical presence in there for us. Kerry's long-ball threat never really caused us the havoc they might have intended."
And that was that. Very little stuck in the Kerry full-forward line, a consequence of poor delivery and rigorous defending. After that Tyrone just had to do what they do best: break at quicksilver speed and take the scores.
In that respect their tactics continued to work perfectly.
Harte was criticised earlier this year for withdrawing Seán Cavanagh from midfield. Without him it was felt Tyrone could never dig up enough ball in the middle third to be viable.
Yesterday they just flooded the middle third with bodies while Cavanagh demolished Kerry with five points from play.
And the immense loss to Kerry that was Paul Galvin was underlined in a strange sort of way by the performance of the prototype player in that position, Brian Dooher.
Once again Dooher was magnificent yesterday and, as his manager pointed out afterwards, the point he scored into the Hill 16 end from out on the right wing was among the greatest scores ever seen in an All-Ireland final.
The score came in the first half but its qualities of impertinence and tenacity underlined a key difference between the sides.
By then Kerry looked like a side being visited by a familiar and unwelcome ghost.
"All games are decided on small things," said Pat O'Shea afterwards. "We came out in the second half; we wanted to push on; we were a point up. They got the goal. That was always going to be the deciding score even though we came back and we got a point clear. They are a quality side. There is no issue whatsoever there. They are a good team. They have proven that.
"Our lads were going for three- in-a-row. We had a tough run. We thought that might help up but small things change games."
There were a million small things at work in Croke Park yesterday but they key things were ones Pat O'Shea could do nothing about. Tyrone disrespect Kerry about us much as Cork respect them. Tyrone don't flinch in expectation of retribution.
That's what makes this relationships fascinating and, with one year of this decade left, worth a final instalment.
© 2008 The Irish Times
Does anyone think that this wil be the end of Holmes and Dooher? great servants to Tyrone but Dooher is 33 now will he be back next year.
Justin McMahon will have number 3 sorted for many years
Quote from: longball on September 05, 2008, 05:49:48 PM
What does everyone think the team will be for the final? i think on the day tyrone will line out as follows
John
Joe McMahon Justin McMahon Conor Gormley
Davy Jordan Ricey
McGinley Hub
Dooher B McGugian Penrose
T McGugian Sean McCullagh
This was team i predicted back on 5 september not a bad shout eh???
My biggest congratulations to Tyrone, worthy winners and the envy of everyone in the country. coming from an Armagh man i can only take my hat off to them, fair play to ye. was at the game and was thinking to myself after this is only the start of something big for this team, i can honestly see a collection of All Irelands gathering up, coz i cant see who in Ireland will be able to stand with them, Good Luck anyway and enjoy it ;)
The Citywest was some crack. Sat night was the biggest sing-song I've ever seen until 4am and Sunday's events will live with me for ever. When I saw Dooher's point I knew that like Mugsys goal in 2005, I had witnessed something truly special.
The reception for the team back in the hotel was unreal, like 2005 but in many ways better. We partied until 6am and on Monday basked in the sunshine & glory out the front until we saw our heroes off.
I met Paddy Heaney on Monday morning and reminded him of his bold prediction that Galvin would start, captain the team and lift Sam. He responded simply by saying that Tyrone's performance was brilliant.
On talking to Mickey Harte at the end of the night, it would seem that he's not just looking at back-to-back but 3-in-a-row, such is the belief that man has. After this season I would not bet against him.
Great win on sunday, now you are on the pedastal and you know what that means.
3 in a row? well lets see you get 2 in a row first, hearty congratulations on a great performance and enjoy the moment.
well, very disappointed to say the least. hats off to Tyrone, they closed the game out superbly and every player was immense with obvious standout performances from Cavanagh and Dooher as well as the entire full back line. I Thought Hughes was the key factor though and I am surprised more havent mentioned him.
Too hasty to be calling for Pat O'Shea's head. Despite what people are saying now, not many were too surprised, or disappointed, to see Brosnan starting ahead of Walsh and Sheehan had to start for the frees. Its true that he probably should have pulled them off earlier, but hindsight is 20/20. The team did come back from 3 down to 1 up after all. However, if the goal was to get the ball close to goal and feed gooch then they should have let Declan O'Sullivan run more with Gooch close by. The high ball wasn't working.
This one is going to be a hard one to come back from but we'll survive it.
Quote from: under the bar on September 23, 2008, 10:01:36 AM
The Citywest was some crack. Sat night was the biggest sing-song I've ever seen until 4am and Sunday's events will live with me for ever. When I saw Dooher's point I knew that like Mugsys goal in 2005, I had witnessed something truly special.
The reception for the team back in the hotel was unreal, like 2005 but in many ways better. We partied until 6am and on Monday basked in the sunshine & glory out the front until we saw our heroes off.
I met Paddy Heaney on Monday morning and reminded him of his bold prediction that Galvin would start, captain the team and lift Sam. He responded simply by saying that Tyrone's performance was brilliant.
On talking to Mickey Harte at the end of the night, it would seem that he's not just looking at back-to-back but 3-in-a-row, such is the belief that man has. After this season I would not bet against him.
Steady on there !!!!!!!!!!!
The GAA is set to launch an investigation into the incident which saw Kerry vice-chairman Patrick O'Sullivan knocked to the ground as the teams made their way off the field at half-time during Sunday's All-Ireland final.
A Tyrone player allegedly barged into O'Sullivan as he was making his way off the field, causing the startled Kerry official to lose his footing and fall to the ground close to the tunnel area under the Hogan Stand. The same player is also alleged to have collided with Kerry manager Pat O'Shea as the first half ended with tensions running high. The half-time whistle came on the back of yellow cards being brandished to Kerry pair Aidan O'Mahony and Darragh O Se.
The Kerry county board aren't expected to lodge a formal complaint about the incidents and may also overlook the treatment of Colm Cooper by one of the Tyrone supporters as he made his way off the field after the final whistle. The fan is question allegedly raised his hand to Cooper as the Kerry attacker pushed past him, but was then restrained by other Tyrone supporters around him.
Kerry chairman Jermone Conway played down the half-time incidents by saying: "Things happen in the heat of battle so Kerry will not be looking for any further action in what you say happened."
Pat O'Shea refused to criticise the performance of Laois referee Maurice Deegan, who allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
"It is not my place to comment on the performance of a referee. Referees go out and try to do their best. All we can do is be thankful that we have referees and good referees in our game. Performances are scrutinised to the finest detail. I'd have nothing to say on that - the referee didn't cost us the game
congrats to Tyrone on their Ai win on sunday it was a great game for the neutral some real exciting stuff didn't think about it at he time but was said in one of the papers the all the scores from both teams 1 -14 came from play in the second half , doohers point in the first half was something special and Kavanangh was simply unmarkable on sunday what a display he scored some gems all in all it was just a great team display by Tyrone and we will be looking forward to hosting ye boys in the league in castlebar next year
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
The GAA is set to launch an investigation into the incident which saw Kerry vice-chairman Patrick O'Sullivan knocked to the ground as the teams made their way off the field at half-time during Sunday's All-Ireland final.
A Tyrone player allegedly barged into O'Sullivan as he was making his way off the field, causing the startled Kerry official to lose his footing and fall to the ground close to the tunnel area under the Hogan Stand. The same player is also alleged to have collided with Kerry manager Pat O'Shea as the first half ended with tensions running high. The half-time whistle came on the back of yellow cards being brandished to Kerry pair Aidan O'Mahony and Darragh O Se.
The Kerry county board aren't expected to lodge a formal complaint about the incidents and may also overlook the treatment of Colm Cooper by one of the Tyrone supporters as he made his way off the field after the final whistle. The fan is question allegedly raised his hand to Cooper as the Kerry attacker pushed past him, but was then restrained by other Tyrone supporters around him.
Kerry chairman Jermone Conway played down the half-time incidents by saying: "Things happen in the heat of battle so Kerry will not be looking for any further action in what you say happened."
Pat O'Shea refused to criticise the performance of Laois referee Maurice Deegan, who allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
"It is not my place to comment on the performance of a referee. Referees go out and try to do their best. All we can do is be thankful that we have referees and good referees in our game. Performances are scrutinised to the finest detail. I'd have nothing to say on that - the referee didn't cost us the game
Who was the player involved
Quote from: drici on September 23, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
Who are you referring to orangeman?
I think it was taken from the Independent. The most depressing and cynical paper ever. Their sister paper 'the evening herald' dedicated their front and back page yesterday to the fall of donahey and O'Shea, pictures included.
It was Colm Keys typical anti-ulster reporting. No complaints whatsoever from Kerry yet Keys is trying to make a story out of nothing.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/gaelic-football/gaa-to-investigate-after-kerry-official-knocked-to-ground-1480518.html
Cliona Foley in the same trash paper writes a whole article on Joe McMahon shouting at "Young Kerry forward Tommy Walsh" and goes on to interview Mickey HArte about goading. Kieran Donaghy is the biggest mouth & goader in the game, yet the independent never mention it & hail him as some sort of messiah.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 23, 2008, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 23, 2008, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
The GAA is set to launch an investigation into the incident which saw Kerry vice-chairman Patrick O'Sullivan knocked to the ground as the teams made their way off the field at half-time during Sunday's All-Ireland final.
A Tyrone player allegedly barged into O'Sullivan as he was making his way off the field, causing the startled Kerry official to lose his footing and fall to the ground close to the tunnel area under the Hogan Stand. The same player is also alleged to have collided with Kerry manager Pat O'Shea as the first half ended with tensions running high. The half-time whistle came on the back of yellow cards being brandished to Kerry pair Aidan O'Mahony and Darragh O Se.
The Kerry county board aren't expected to lodge a formal complaint about the incidents and may also overlook the treatment of Colm Cooper by one of the Tyrone supporters as he made his way off the field after the final whistle. The fan is question allegedly raised his hand to Cooper as the Kerry attacker pushed past him, but was then restrained by other Tyrone supporters around him.
Kerry chairman Jermone Conway played down the half-time incidents by saying: "Things happen in the heat of battle so Kerry will not be looking for any further action in what you say happened."
Pat O'Shea refused to criticise the performance of Laois referee Maurice Deegan, who allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
"It is not my place to comment on the performance of a referee. Referees go out and try to do their best. All we can do is be thankful that we have referees and good referees in our game. Performances are scrutinised to the finest detail. I'd have nothing to say on that - the referee didn't cost us the game
Who was the player involved
The word I got from home was that it wasn't a Tyrone player, but an assistant of the Tyrone team.
I was told it was Ryan Mellon
Quote from: Zapatista on September 23, 2008, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: drici on September 23, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
Who are you referring to orangeman?
I think it was taken from the Independent. The most depressing and cynical paper ever. Their sister paper 'the evening herald' dedicated their front and back page yesterday to the fall of donahey and O'Shea, pictures included.
Fab Vinnie's tail-ending column was unreadable (again) yesterday. Jeez, does that man kill a metaphor.
RE: GAA to investigate after Kerry official knocked to ground
Apparently a Kerry official was injured shortly after the final whistle on Sunday
He has badly bruised ribs etc.
Apparently Tyrone officials have said they cannot take any responsibility for this.
" if the guy was silly enough to get between Michaela Harte and a TV camera its not our fault"
Quote from: BerfArmagh on September 23, 2008, 11:28:18 AM
RE: GAA to investigate after Kerry official knocked to ground
Apparently a Kerry official was injured shortly after the final whistle on Sunday
He has badly bruised ribs etc.
Apparently Tyrone officials have said they cannot take any responsibility for this.
“ if the guy was silly enough to get between Michaela Harte and a TV camera its not our fault”
;D very good berf !
Quote from: BerfArmagh on September 23, 2008, 11:28:18 AM
RE: GAA to investigate after Kerry official knocked to ground
Apparently a Kerry official was injured shortly after the final whistle on Sunday
He has badly bruised ribs etc.
Apparently Tyrone officials have said they cannot take any responsibility for this.
" if the guy was silly enough to get between Michaela Harte and a TV camera its not our fault"
HAHA....very good! That girl does love herself alright and always manages to squeeze herself into the picture and has time to fix her hair before the flash goes off! That's some talent!
There'd be no love lost between myself and the Tyronies but credit where it's due....fully deserved the win IMO so congratulations.
On the topic of goading players or "trash talking" a lot of teams have a lot of players who do it. I think it really lowers the tone of the game and to be honest is embarrassing to watch. I'd like to see the referees given some power to deal with this sort of thing but I think there will always be some d**ks who persist with it. I'd say most county teams have at least one player who would be at it....yes Tryone have a few and Kerry have a few but I'm glad to say Derry dont have any players who would stoop to that level ;)
Quote from: BerfArmagh on September 23, 2008, 11:28:18 AM
RE: GAA to investigate after Kerry official knocked to ground
Apparently a Kerry official was injured shortly after the final whistle on Sunday
He has badly bruised ribs etc.
Apparently Tyrone officials have said they cannot take any responsibility for this.
" if the guy was silly enough to get between Michaela Harte and a TV camera its not our fault"
f**k she really annoys me,
Good one Berf!
Referees do have powers now to deal with trash-talking, as far as I remember. Wasn't it
added to the list of offences recently. Can't remember what it was called - unsporting
comments or something. Or did I dream that?
Anyway, - about the downing of the Kerry "official". Nobody has complained, so it's a
non-story, but the question is, what was he doing there? The pitch is for the players and
support crew and the officials. A fat fella in a dodgy looking suit has no business on the
field just because he's a member of some "committEEah".
And as for spectators on the pitch - very colourful and atmospheric, but it has to stop.
Apart from the obvious safety issues (some kid or ould wan is going to get trampled
someday), there'll always be some clown wanting to have a go at a player and players
don't deserve that. The GAA owes them more and it's time they got serious about
keeping the spectators where they belong and leaving the pitch to the people who belong
there.
Quote from: Hardy on September 23, 2008, 11:53:09 AM
Anyway, - about the downing of the Kerry "official". Nobody has complained, so it's a non-story, but he question is, what was he doing there? The pitch is for the players and support crew and the officials. A fat fella in a dodgy looking suit has no business on the field just because he's a member of some "committeah".
He wasn't on the pitch - he was walking from the Kerry bench to the tunnel.
Congrats to Tyrone on an excellent performance - worthy winners.
Quote from: heffo on September 23, 2008, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 23, 2008, 11:53:09 AM
Anyway, - about the downing of the Kerry "official". Nobody has complained, so it's a non-story, but he question is, what was he doing there? The pitch is for the players and support crew and the officials. A fat fella in a dodgy looking suit has no business on the field just because he's a member of some "committeah".
He wasn't on the pitch - he was walking from the Kerry bench to the tunnel.
What was Mr Important expecting, walking to the tunnel when 30 adrenaline fuelled footballers are coming in for half-time..."oh do excuse me, after you good sir...."
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 20, 2008, 08:50:38 AM
I'm afraid you'll have to make a longer journey than going to Blayney son! Get into your car and go direct to Tralee and you'll see Sam on Monday evening ;)
I didn't have to go to Tralee after all. I might head down there next august for the Rose :) :) :)
The point stands. What's a fat fella in a suit doing on the bench?
Quote from: under the bar on September 23, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
It was Colm Keys typical anti-ulster reporting. No complaints whatsoever from Kerry yet Keys is trying to make a story out of nothing.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaa-championships/gaelic-football/gaa-to-investigate-after-kerry-official-knocked-to-ground-1480518.html
Cliona Foley in the same trash paper writes a whole article on Joe McMahon shouting at "Young Kerry forward Tommy Walsh" and goes on to interview Mickey HArte about goading. Kieran Donaghy is the biggest mouth & goader in the game, yet the independent never mention it & hail him as some sort of messiah.
I bet they didn't mention the dirty tackles that Kerry were throwing in all day, or good old Dara O Se and his usual dirty bat that he gets in during every game he plays. Yet he is portayed in the media as the last shining beacon of the high catch. I hope we he seen the last of him and a Kerry jersey before he serously injures somebody.
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
I hope we he seen the last of him and a Kerry jersey before he serously injures somebody.
jesus wept, are you for real?
Quote from: mouview on September 23, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on September 23, 2008, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: drici on September 23, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
allowed a number of Tyrone players to commit a series of personal fouls without issuing them with yellow cards.
Who are you referring to orangeman?
I think it was taken from the Independent. The most depressing and cynical paper ever. Their sister paper 'the evening herald' dedicated their front and back page yesterday to the fall of donahey and O'Shea, pictures included.
Fab Vinnie's tail-ending column was unreadable (again) yesterday. Jeez, does that man kill a metaphor.
I think he writes a load of random words on bits of paper, swallows them and then vomits on a page. Voila. One completely unintelligible newspaper article.
Quote from: peterquaife on September 23, 2008, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
I hope we he seen the last of him and a Kerry jersey before he serously injures somebody.
jesus wept, are you for real?
Yeah, I am. Considering some of his tackles in recent years it's not beyond the bounds of possibility. Over zealous use of the fist, elbows and knees could be considered as dangerous.
Just watched the incident again and the guy in the suit seemed to walk to a group of Tyrone players walking off and said something, the Tyrone player pushed him back and walked on and someone from the tyrone backroom staff etc pushed him again and he fell over!!
He shouldnt have been there anyway to be honest and i doubt he would have got pushed for no reason as he seemed to walk over to the tyrone players not the other way around!!
Quote from: CoDeo2 on September 23, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
Just watched the incident again and the guy in the suit seemed to walk to a group of Tyrone players walking off and said something, the Tyrone player pushed him back and walked on and someone from the tyrone backroom staff etc pushed him again and he fell over!!
He shouldnt have been there anyway to be honest and i doubt he would have got pushed for no reason as he seemed to walk over to the tyrone players not the other way around!!
Just seen it at the time - is it on youtube?
Link Please
I have to say I've seen said incident about 6times at this stage and I laugh more each time I see it!!! :D :D :D
First time logged in since Sunday, it was a cracking day, brilliant match, unbelievable atmosphere had a great night up in Tyrone Sunday night in pub watching sunday game and then put match on again! Same again last night tape of match was put on repeat all day, back to work today a Down man again and hoping we can dethrone the mighty Tyrone next year...but I enjoyed my weekend sabbatical as a Tyrone fan! Well Done Tyrone a famous win!!! Moving there after the big day saturday week, but I'll still be a down man!
Not sure if its on youtube, i sky plus the match so had a look at it again there! Have to admit i've laughed a right few times at it too!! Mickey harte and another member of the tyrone staff try to help him up and he looks like he's about to take a swing at them lol
Does anyone have a link of where to watch the game again online? (not RTE website as its Ireland only)
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on September 23, 2008, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
I hope we he seen the last of him and a Kerry jersey before he serously injures somebody.
jesus wept, are you for real?
Yeah, I am. Considering some of his tackles in recent years it's not beyond the bounds of possibility. Over zealous use of the fist, elbows and knees could be considered as dangerous.
Darragh O' Se is a legend.
Five all irelands in the modern era is fair evidence ( I know one other player has 5 too).
Quote from: bcarrier on September 23, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on September 23, 2008, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
I hope we he seen the last of him and a Kerry jersey before he serously injures somebody.
jesus wept, are you for real?
Yeah, I am. Considering some of his tackles in recent years it's not beyond the bounds of possibility. Over zealous use of the fist, elbows and knees could be considered as dangerous.
Darragh O' Se is a legend.
Five all irelands in the modern era is fair evidence ( I know one other player has 5 too).
I wasn't doubting his ability, only a fool would. I was merely pointing out that if he played for a northern team he would be he would receive some stick from the southern media, particularly if they think that Joe McMahon shouting at Tommy Walsh is worthy of a newspaper article.
Just because a guy has 5 All Ireland medals doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. The guy has been sent off twice this season and was walking a tightrope on Sunday. Many players would be labelled a liability with that record.
Personally I think O'Se's actions are down to him not being at the top of his game. He knows he was a lot better but simply doesn't have the legs to carry him through anymore.
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on September 23, 2008, 03:22:52 PM
I was merely pointing out that if he played for a northern team he would be he would receive some stick from the southern media, particularly if they think that Joe McMahon shouting at Tommy Walsh is worthy of a newspaper article.
I dont recall your vocal indignation after last years Leinster final when there was article after article about the Dubs doing the same thing.
This whole persecution of Northern players by the southern media theory is paranoia which surpasses even the Dubs.
Wow, that was the stuff of dreams.
Mickey and his team can finally silence his critics, they have won the 2008 All-Ireland Championship in style.
That was an amazing display on Sunday. Yes there was basic errors on both sides, but Tyrone stepped up a notch at the right times and took the game to Kerry.
McConnell was flawless. Two great saves and his kick-outs were fantastic. Dooher, well what can you say.. the man IS Tyrone. Cavanagh was definatealy my MoTM.
It was a brilliant day be a Tyrone man, an Ulsterman and more importantly an GAA man. Sunday showed to the world, this is the best game in Croke Park and nothing comes close to it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 23, 2008, 10:11:34 AM
well, very disappointed to say the least. hats off to Tyrone, they closed the game out superbly and every player was immense with obvious standout performances from Cavanagh and Dooher as well as the entire full back line. I Thought Hughes was the key factor though and I am surprised more havent mentioned him.
Too hasty to be calling for Pat O'Shea's head. Despite what people are saying now, not many were too surprised, or disappointed, to see Brosnan starting ahead of Walsh and Sheehan had to start for the frees. Its true that he probably should have pulled them off earlier, but hindsight is 20/20. The team did come back from 3 down to 1 up after all. However, if the goal was to get the ball close to goal and feed gooch then they should have let Declan O'Sullivan run more with Gooch close by. The high ball wasn't working.
This one is going to be a hard one to come back from but we'll survive it.
Fair play to you Mike Sheehy - and there is little doubt, Kerry will survive and be back again when the business season is in full swing.
Good luck for 09.
Congratulations Tyrone. It's hard to say it, but they really are a great team. When you start to have a sneaking admiration for Ryan McMennamin it's time to raise your hands, get past the natural (familial in my case) antipathy and say well done. A series of excellent total football performances make them deserving champs. They set the standard now.
Now that that's out of my system I'm away off to a bush like mad Sweeny to mutter and pick at myself for a few weeks.
Great post Mac.
Quote from: MacCruiskeen on September 23, 2008, 05:57:54 PM
Now that that's out of my system I'm away off to a bush like mad Sweeny to mutter and pick at myself for a few weeks.
That made me laugh.
Congratulations to Tyrone and fair play to them for putting themselves up there as one of the great teams of the last 20 years. They played well, had some excellent individual performers, with Cavanagh being the star. It is amazing though the difference between success and defeat. Kerry had two excellent opportunities for goals and I firmly believe if they had taken one of them, O'Sullivan's in particular, we would be on here congratulating them on 3 in a row. Up till this point the game was liable to go either way. if the man in possession had have been the Gooch, instead of Tommy Walsh, the would have won. If the management had made the right substitutions at the right time. These are all the foibles of a game and no doubt the ball bounced the right way for Kerry in the year as well as went against them.
In th end of it all this does not take away from a great Tyrone win and from my own perspective, probably the lesser of the two evils as I am an imported Rebel!!!
Mickey Harte is a genius and for me is the best manager in Ireland this year, this decade and in my lifetime (i'm 30 boys)
great overall team performance on the day - great management from the sidelines - great management in the lead up to the match in terms of his puppeteering of the media
thought dooher's performance this year definitely merits the captains armband and sean cavanagh is a future captain
congratulations tyrone
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2008, 07:43:01 PM
These are all the foibles of a game and no doubt the ball bounced the right way for Kerry in the year as well as went against them.
Last year Kerry scored two goals when the Cork keeper went AWOL. This year the keeper did his job
Congratulations to Tyrone !
Did anyone see the Dooher / Harte interview on UTV Live last night ?
Logie was and stilll is hoarse.
Logie asked Dooher about the celebrations - due to the noise in the background - Dooher responded "I can't f***in hear you" - live tv you cant beat it
Congratulations again
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 22, 2008, 06:41:54 PM
On another point - did anyone hear gregory campbell on radio ulster this morning - he was on with mickey harte and was asked if he would congratulate the tyrone team - he said something along the lines of its always great when a british team wins an international competition! The bigotry is actually quite funny at this stage! Mickey Harte, needless to say, kept a dignified silence!
Apparantly he'd heard that the Kingdom were involved in a match in a foreign country and naturally assumed that it was the united version.
I wonder sometimes if the "ignorance" of GAA and other nationalist activities is put on a little just for effect.
I'm sure that any GAA man really doesn't care if its real or feigned ignorance, its his loss.
copy of match available here to download, full match only stops before presentation though
http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90 (http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90)
Well done to Tyrone. I can't warm to Brian Dooher, most of it due to his antics against ourselves earlier in the year, but when he isn't lying about the place and acting the prat he is one hell of a player. I've seen Tyrone four times in the flesh this year and I think he has to get the nod ahead of Cavanagh for player of the year. Cavanagh had a great final but Dooher was one of the main men in the Westmeath and Dublin games and wasn't too far behind Cavanagh in the final either.
Without doubting that Tyrone were the best team in the country this year and deserved their win I think the the performance of the team on Sunday is being exaggerated a little. Mickey Harte himself puts it well when he says that when you win you don't do everything right and when you loose you don't do everything wrong. Tyrone don't do everything right but from reading the papers the last couple of days you are led to think they do. This isn't isolated to Tyrone or the all-ireland final itself, it happens regularly when a team wins any match. Little recognition is given to the fact that almost anything can happen on the day and what has transpired is just one of a multiple of possible scenarios. What isn't being exaggerated is Mickey Harte's managerial ability. He won the sideline battle hands down, aided by what I thought were some baffling Kerry decisions. I couldn't get over the persistance of Kerry hitting the high ball in when it clearly wasn't working and the constant rotation of Donaghy between midfield and the forwards. I thought taking Walsh off was a bit harsh especially when considering the players that were coming on. The use of Galvin was poor, he should have been started, brought on earlier or left on the bench. He's not the type of player that will turn a game in a couple of minutes, he's the type of player who will impose himself on a game over a longer period of time. The Tyrone booing was pretty unnecessary.
Edit: Forgot to say fair play to Marc Ó Sé who received a punch to the midrift in the second half from McGuigan. Didn't throw himself to the ground and the linesman couldn't have not seen it. If episodes earlier in the year were to be followed McGuigan should have been sent off and probably would have been if Ó Sé had hit the deck. After all the feigning we've witnessed this year such incidents should be highlighted also.
Also on O'Neill. I don't think enough credit is being given for his pass to Hughes prior to the goal, it was probably the best pass of the game and possibly the most important. Made the goal chance, great vision and showed his class. He didn't do alot else, but that alone justified his introduction in my opinion.
Anyway, well done Tyrone!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 23, 2008, 10:11:34 AM
well, very disappointed to say the least. hats off to Tyrone, they closed the game out superbly and every player was immense with obvious standout performances from Cavanagh and Dooher as well as the entire full back line. I Thought Hughes was the key factor though and I am surprised more havent mentioned him.
Too hasty to be calling for Pat O'Shea's head. Despite what people are saying now, not many were too surprised, or disappointed, to see Brosnan starting ahead of Walsh and Sheehan had to start for the frees. Its true that he probably should have pulled them off earlier, but hindsight is 20/20. The team did come back from 3 down to 1 up after all. However, if the goal was to get the ball close to goal and feed gooch then they should have let Declan O'Sullivan run more with Gooch close by. The high ball wasn't working.
This one is going to be a hard one to come back from but we'll survive it.
Fair play Mike Sheehy, that's what great about the GAA, avowed enemies congratulating the other team after a defeat.
Quote from: gerry on September 23, 2008, 09:22:48 PM
copy of match available here to download, full match only stops before presentation though
http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90 (http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/)
Excellent, didn't know the game was on iPlayer.
Will it only be up for a week, or permanently?
Tried to have a look at this - only available to youse boys in the 6 counties :( Is their a link available for the rest of the country?
Quote from: passedit on September 23, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: gerry on September 23, 2008, 09:22:48 PM
copy of match available here to download, full match only stops before presentation though
http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90 (http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/)
Jaysus this is great. First chance to see it since. And no buckin beer.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 23, 2008, 10:19:10 PM
Tried to have a look at this - only available to youse boys in the 6 counties :( Is their a link available for the rest of the country?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/
Just click on replay. Strangely I can't play it because it seems that Antrim isn't in Ireland!
Go raibh maith agat!
Quote from: puskas on September 23, 2008, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 23, 2008, 10:11:34 AM
well, very disappointed to say the least. hats off to Tyrone, they closed the game out superbly and every player was immense with obvious standout performances from Cavanagh and Dooher as well as the entire full back line. I Thought Hughes was the key factor though and I am surprised more havent mentioned him.
Too hasty to be calling for Pat O'Shea's head. Despite what people are saying now, not many were too surprised, or disappointed, to see Brosnan starting ahead of Walsh and Sheehan had to start for the frees. Its true that he probably should have pulled them off earlier, but hindsight is 20/20. The team did come back from 3 down to 1 up after all. However, if the goal was to get the ball close to goal and feed gooch then they should have let Declan O'Sullivan run more with Gooch close by. The high ball wasn't working.
This one is going to be a hard one to come back from but we'll survive it.
Fair play Mike Sheehy, that's what great about the GAA, avowed enemies congratulating the other team after a defeat.
Hear, hear! And spot on about Hughes too.
Can anyone get a link for this side of the water?
Is there still a GOAL match that takes place? Havent seen it mentioned.
It was to be in Omagh tonite - v Coalisland. didnt hear the resuly though
Coalisland!! :D :D
Why them?
QuoteJust click on replay. Strangely I can't play it because it seems that Antrim isn't in Ireland!
Of course Antrim is in Ireland, but has your ISP told RTE that your IP is in Antrim? Are you using a British based ISP?
Here is a torrent link to download the whole game.
if you don't know about torrents then don't ask here, ask Ziggy by pm ;D
Tyrone V Kerry]http://www.mininova.org/tor/1830894]Tyrone V Kerry (http://www.mininova.org/tor/1830894)
Its just the match, no extra frills.
AVI file
Size 880 mb
Runtime 1:20:29
Bitrate 1400kbs
Video: 640 x 480
Audio: 128 mp3
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 23, 2008, 11:01:20 PM
It was to be in Omagh tonite - v Coalisland. didnt hear the resuly though
Nah, it's tomorrow night.
Quote from: Main Street on September 23, 2008, 11:31:23 PM
Here is a torrent link to download the whole game.
if you don't know about torrents then don't ask here, ask Ziggy by pm ;D
Tyrone V Kerry]http://www.mininova.org/tor/1830894]Tyrone V Kerry (http://www.mininova.org/tor/1830894)
Its just the match, no extra frills.
AVI file
Size 880 mb
Runtime 1:20:29
Bitrate 1400kbs
Video: 640 x 480
Audio: 128 mp3
Well Ziggy whats the story with this ???
I don't download stuff from Torrent, Limewire or any of them sites. Destroyed the computer in the past with viruses and what-nots. Not the guy to ask I'm afriad.
I've heard rumours that its Kerry and not the island playing in the GOAL match, not sure on how true that is though.
Can any Tyronie answer me this.... who was on the bench goalkeeper wise for Tyrone on Sunday? I would've imagined it was Jonathon Curran..but take a read of this article I've posted the link to below. It says (as best I can make out) that minor keeper Tim Harney was brought into the senior side as cover (after the minor match). Is this right? Why was Curran not on the bench? Or were they both on it? Will Harney get an All-Ireland medal?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/john-was-there-with-me-in-tyrones-goal-says-mcconnell-13981014.html
Quote from: ziggysego on September 23, 2008, 11:50:43 PM
I don't download stuff from Torrent, Limewire or any of them sites. Destroyed the computer in the past with viruses and what-nots. Not the guy to ask I'm afriad.
Safer staying away from it then.
I would say so, but there's be an equal number of people who would disagree with me Carmen.
Just make sure all your Internet Security is up-to-date as it can be, before you download. Scan the file before running it too.
Think i will just wait on the DVD ! :)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 23, 2008, 11:50:43 PM
I don't download stuff from Torrent, Limewire or any of them sites. Destroyed the computer in the past with viruses and what-nots. Not the guy to ask I'm afriad.
Safer staying away from it then.
Best bet is to view the iplayer through a uk proxy.
http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-28.htm (http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-28.htm)
The noise when Galvin came on was awesome. Probably the biggest single ear-splitting gulder. I think every one of the 82'000 was making some kind of squeak. Pure threatre.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 23, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on September 23, 2008, 11:50:43 PM
I don't download stuff from Torrent, Limewire or any of them sites. Destroyed the computer in the past with viruses and what-nots. Not the guy to ask I'm afriad.
Safer staying away from it then.
The file is safe. It was uploaded by a known reliable user.
I downloaded it myself just to see the quality.
It is not dvd quality. It looks good on a 19 to 21 " inch computer screen.
Ziggy obviously has been burned by those ahem ahem dodgy sites and has developed a zero tolerance philosophy.
Quote from: Doire abú on September 23, 2008, 11:52:41 PM
I've heard rumours that its Kerry and not the island playing in the GOAL match, not sure on how true that is though.
Can any Tyronie answer me this.... who was on the bench goalkeeper wise for Tyrone on Sunday? I would've imagined it was Jonathon Curran..but take a read of this article I've posted the link to below. It says (as best I can make out) that minor keeper Tim Harney was brought into the senior side as cover (after the minor match). Is this right? Why was Curran not on the bench? Or were they both on it? Will Harney get an All-Ireland medal?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/john-was-there-with-me-in-tyrones-goal-says-mcconnell-13981014.html
No, it was was definitely Curran.
Seems strange the Belfast Telegraph would report that. Maybe both were on the bench?
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 23, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: gerry on September 23, 2008, 09:22:48 PM
copy of match available here to download, full match only stops before presentation though
http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90 (http://www.torrentlocomotive.com/getTorrentDetails.aspx?name=118FF142A6857204A02A48A6C4368E0609212B90)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dn9mb/)
Jaysus this is great. First chance to see it since. And no buckin beer.
i downloaded this using utorrent and watched it last night it's 100% safe, so enjoy
Quote from: ziggysego on September 23, 2008, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 23, 2008, 11:01:20 PM
It was to be in Omagh tonite - v Coalisland. didnt hear the resuly though
Nah, it's tomorrow night.
7.30pm going by hogan stand
just back to the grindstone this morning, what a cracking weekend. Weather perfect, a decent all-ireland final after the last few flops, plenty of stout, no bother for tickets either.
As for the match itself, Dooher was outstanding after a shaky opening, Kerry looked like they were going to Lord it at midfield early on but Tyrone did what they do best and hoovered up the breaks. I thought McGinley was outstanding, along with Justin McMahon and obviously MOTM Sean Cavanagh.
Kerry for me were niggly enough and were fond of the high challenge, but the one eyed media didnt have a lot to say in that regard. Tommy Walsh is an outstanding player and will be around for years, the quality of ball that he and Donaghy got was similar to what is expected of McDonnell and Clarke for Armagh (hit and hope), they deserve better.
Had to laugh at Galvins introduction - the pantomine baddie. There wasnt a mouth in the house that wasnt making some sort of noise whether it was cheering or booing. Eventually made it down onto the pitch by the hill goals, the only thing that soured the day was some dickheads (from both counties) started chasing a ball around like they were reliving the match and it invariably ended in fisticuffs.
Dont think the touts would have had their greatest year from the activity on the street.
Really enjoyed the minor match also - good open football, Tyrone no 14 was excellent as was Mayo no11
Well done Tyrone, thoroughly deserved, and i can see it now in the Ulster championship draw for next year. ;)
QuoteCoalisland!!
Why them?
Cos they haven't won anything since 1989?.
Jeez Breheny had a right go at the inbreds for being a dirty shower of goading hoors today!!! It's good to see the bitterness is not dead... that great line was used as well "Nobody is disputing that Tyrone weren't the better side BUT"
What do ye all make of this?
From independent.ie
Time to cry foul
By Martin Breheny
Wednesday September 24 2008
T WENTY-FIVE years ago this week, the GAA was spluttering uncontrollably as the toxic fumes from the Dublin-Galway All-Ireland football final blew across the landscape.
Four dismissals, a row in the tunnel, allegations, bitterness, rancour. If the mood was bad during the game it was no better the following day when players ignored each other at the traditional post All-Ireland lunch -- although the mood lightened when Joe McNally stepped forward to deliver a rousing rendition of 'The Fields of Athenry'.
It took weeks for the GAA to sort out the disciplinary mess of a chaotic afternoon from which neither county emerged with any credit. Not that Dublin cared as their 'Defiant Dozen' had taken possession of the Sam Maguire Cup.
Who would have thought back then as the GAA hierarchy lined up in lengthy file to decry the indiscipline which marred football's big day that both sides would be honoured guests of the Association at the 2008 All-Ireland final?
Dublin were introduced to the crowd last Sunday as part of the 25-year Jubilee celebrations, which has become a welcome part of All-Ireland day. Meanwhile, the Galway squad were in the Hogan Stand as guests of the GAA.
Infamous
Nickey Brennan wrote about the infamous 1983 final in his match programme notes, referring to the game as a "tempestuous affair" (that's one description!) but pointing out that friendships had been rekindled in the intervening years even if players "still have memories of that bruising encounter".
But then time heals and what happened in the distant past, however heinous it may have appeared at the time, looks a whole lot less serious against the soothing background of passing years.
It's like modern-day refereeing, only in this case four months can appear like a lifetime.
Each championship is launched against a zero-tolerance backdrop.
Shiny new whistles play their shrill tunes during the early rounds of the provincial championships but by the end of July they tend to run out of puff. And by All-Ireland final day the aim seems to be to keep as many players on the pitch as possible irrespective of what's going on.
Now before referees or their representatives howl 'foul play', consider this. How is it that there's a public (and indeed player) perception that it's easier to pick up yellow cards and be dismissed in the earlier rounds of the championship than later on?
The truth is that it's more than a perception. If last Sunday's Kerry-Tyrone final had been a first-round game, I have no doubt that far more players would have been yellow-carded and maybe even dismissed. It ended up 6-2 to Kerry on yellow cards which suggests that they were three times guiltier than Tyrone yet the free count was 26-17 against Mickey Harte's men.
Kerry couldn't complain about their yellow cards but they most certainly had reason to feel aggrieved that referee Maurice Deegan didn't adopt a stricter line with the more destructive elements of Tyrone's approach. It wasn't that the referee ignored fouls (although Kieran Donaghy had a valid case for more frees in the first 20 minutes) but he adopted a very sparing approach to use of the yellow card.
And once that became apparent, players pushed the boundaries as they inevitably will when they get a chance.
There's a proposal coming before Special Congress next month to introduce a system whereby players are sent off for what's termed 'highly disruptive' fouls. Replacements will be allowed but it still represents a dramatic change.
There were plenty of 'highly disruptive' fouls on view at Croke Park last Sunday, with Tyrone the more guilty party, but they got away with it, as indeed they did with some theatrical falls to grounds when tackled. As for the verbals and goading which are sadly on the increase across Gaelic football, why don't referees act when they see it happening right in front of them?
Will it be the same if the new rules are introduced? Or will referees apply them to the full rigour right through the season rather than at the start of the League and Championship?
Nobody is disputing that Tyrone were the better side last Sunday but some of their antics were unacceptable. This is not to suggest that Kerry are all angelic souls who never stray over the line. Indeed, their discipline was not good this year, certainly by comparison with previous seasons.
What's more, it cost them in the end. A fully match-fit Paul Galvin was vital to Kerry's game plan against Tyrone but having missed three months playing and training, he wasn't in the starting line-up and couldn't really be expected to make a big impact when brought in just before the hour mark.
It's usual for the GAA to review all aspects of the championship at the end of the season. When they do, the following question should top the refereeing section: Can we honestly say that the same strict standards apply in August/September as they do in May/June?
The answer is a resounding 'no'. Still, if the 1983 football final is now seen as something to celebrate, should we be surprised at a few mood swings over a five-month championship season?
- Martin Breheny
To be fair screenexile - I don't think he was really trying to take from Tyrone's victory. He's right though - Tyrone could have been given a few yellow cards. Equally one or two Kerry players might have gotten red cards. And I'll accept his point that if it was a game played in the earlier rounds, players would have walked because they'd be given second yellow offences/straight reds.
The problem with the GAA is fans, teams and officials want the best of both worlds. We want the rules implemented but we also want the ref to have a bit of common sense. We don't want to see bad sportsmanship go unpunished but heaven forbid the referee might "ruin" the All-Ireland final by sending someone off and making the teams uneven. We want the referee to "make a game of it" - that's not his job. His job is to apply the rules and if it means pointing someone towards the sideline, so be it. We want frees awarded when players are fouled - but only sometimes - otherwise the ref is criticised for "not letting the game flow" or refusing to apply the (non-existent) advantage rule - again - not his job. It's up to the players on the pitch to make a game of it, to stay within the rules and to accept sanction when meted out.
Jaysus you have to laugh. Respected journalists hold up their hands and say 'I got it wrong'. Big egos find a scapegoat. Brehony's prediction that it'd be a hurling final draw and a Kerry 4 point win must've hurt the pocket badly.
That's why journalism's a great career, be it sport or politics. Say what you want beforehand and if you're 290% wrong it won't matter. Water under the bridge and another pay packet next month. In any other profession you'd be hauled over the coals the first time, and p45 the next.
SACK BREHONY!
Usual bullsh1t in the wake of the AIF
Journalists looking to fill the pages & creating a bit of controversy
Great game on Sunday between the best two teams in Ireland.
It is going to be hard for any other team to break the domination of these two for the next few years IMHO
Breheney is smarting from making an absolute ass of himself at the Bredagh night.
Firstly he said that Kilkenny minor hurlers were the biggest shoo-in and safest bet in GAA history and secondly he said that Kerry would win and win handsomely.
Thankfully he must have lost a fortune given his thinly veiled attack on Tyrone.
Breheny, typically, fails to see the real points that emerge from his contention that fewer yellow cards were given out than would have been administered had it been an earlier round match.
1. Isn't the fact that officials feel less inclined to give out yellow cards in the showpiece matches in itself an admission that yellow cards are a negative phenomenon, bad for the game, undesirable - whatever you want to call it?
2. The game on Sunday was a contender for game of the year. Good, hard, physical football with hard, strong tackling, physical commitment in the challenges and an excellent level of skill and excitement throughout. If Breheny chooses to pick out the paucity of yellow cards as his highlight of the occasion, he can't then ignore the connection between this and the quality of the game.
The Mary Poppins-style attempts by our hurling president to "clean up the game" have turned most matches into a contorted form of basketball as players pirouette and skip about the place to avoid making the slightest physical contact with their opponents. This still doesn't prevent ridiculous extravaganzas of card-waving that see a card count in double figures in many games. Sunday was a reminder of what the game can be when players are allowed at least to bump into each other in challenging for the ball and yellow cards are reserved for significant fouls with malicious intent.
It's also carping in the extreme to seize on the two Tyrone pratfalls and one instance of mouthing (that I saw, anyway) and concentrate on them rather than on the hugely entertaining event that absorbed the rest of us on Sunday. I've been very critical in the past of Tyrone's tendency to go to ground much too easily. I'm happy to say that the last couple of seasons have seen a huge reduction in the use of this tactic, much to the benefit of the quality of their football. Tyrone are no more guilty now than any other team (and less so than many) of collapso dramatico. To fail to acknowledge this positive development and instead to search diligently for occasional lapses, just to be able to go "aha - yiz are still at it" is very small-minded.
We have the same phenomenon in this forum, where a certain section of our number seem to scan each game diligently for instances of foul play and then concentrate solely on these. You have to wonder about their concept of sport and marvel at their ability to miss the point spectacularly. They are presumably the same people who go to matches solely to roar abuse at opposing players and pay little or no attention to the sport on view.
Sorry about the long post, but for feck sake – Breheny does that to me.
Fully Agree with Hardy on all points above.
also think that too many 'journos' and media hacks are amadans when it comes to football knowledge.
Breheny and indeed eugene mcgee always annoy the bejaysus out of me, and pleny of others fall into the same category.
We are an island of begrudgers!
:D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 24, 2008, 12:08:20 PM
Fully Agree with Hardy on all points above.
also think that too many 'journos' and media hacks are amadans when it comes to football knowledge.
Breheny and indeed eugene mcgee always annoy the bejaysus out of me, and pleny of others fall into the same category.
On that note here's an article from last year which annoyed me at the time...might as well bring it back up now :P
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/end-of-an-era-as-tyrone-shuffle-off-the-big-stage-1052479.html
Since we are on the subject I had to laugh at Tom Humphries 'Locker-room' piece on Monday. You have to expect journalists to cover up their woefully wrong predictions with begrudgery but at least Breheny and Sean Moran try to keep it qualitative. Humphries throws out lazy cliches that can be quantitatively disproved.
"When Tyrone lined out, two-thirds of their half-forward line was different from the team that had been announced. Different and way beefier. Kerry, critically, were going with Eoin Brosnan and Bryan Sheehan as their wing unit. Not a lot of hitting and thumping in those boys. "
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/0922/1221998221192.html
way beefier? Penrose is the same size as McGuigan, maybe an inch smaller, Mellon is 2-3 inches smaller than Joe McMahon, so Tom is just plain wrong. Penrose and Dooher walked past me on Sunday night and I was taller than them both, I am 5-10.
Brosnan and Sheehan are 6-3 and 6-2, now he may be right that they like easy games and not hard ones, at least that part of it is qualitative.
He was at the same craic in 2005, at that time it was our full back line who were given the imaginary size upgrade. McMenamin and McGee - Goliaths! :D
Kerry had a clear height and weight advantage going into the game on Sunday. When are some of these BS merchants going to start looking at facts and give our wee men the credit they deserve for their bravery in the mid-field sector?
Having viewed the game on tape in full, it's amazing how much you miss through sheer anxiety and nerves. Jordan wasn't at the races in the first half, yet he was a colossus in the second. At his rampaging best, winning good break as well. McGinley is nothing short of a legend. Diving into places, putting his head where people shouldn't leave their boots. He chases and wins the dirty ball with 100% commitment. He's 27 and rumours persist that his past injuries have been so serious in nature, retirement is a possibility. I would be gutted. Both McMahon's were immense and after Gormley's torrid opening 5 minutes, thought he was back to his best as well. There was a huge amount of spills and mistakes but this of course added to the edge of the seat drama. Big Darragh was excellent. I thought he faded completely, but he was still passing the ball beautifully in the second half and weighed in with a big point. What a weekend.....
QuoteBreheny and indeed eugene mcgee always annoy the bejaysus out of me, and pleny of others fall into the same category.
Ah c'mon, you can't put those two names in the same sentence - McGee can be annoying, but at least he knows his stuff, and is rarely less than intelligent in his analysis.
QuoteOn that note here's an article from last year which annoyed me at the time...might as well bring it back up now
Yes, LDA it's nice to be wise after the event - but McGee is old-school, and the point of his article (to me) was about the 'victory' of the traditional (Meath) game over Tyrone's running/hassling/high-tempo game. His point about the 'old' Tyrone being finished is not completely incorrect - the 2008 AI victors looked a different team (in the way they played) to me to the 2005 victors.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 24, 2008, 02:18:53 PM
QuoteBreheny and indeed eugene mcgee always annoy the bejaysus out of me, and pleny of others fall into the same category.
Ah c'mon, you can't put those two names in the same sentence - McGee can be annoying, but at least he knows his stuff, and is rarely less than intelligent in his analysis.
QuoteOn that note here's an article from last year which annoyed me at the time...might as well bring it back up now
Yes, LDA it's nice to be wise after the event - but McGee is old-school, and the point of his article (to me) was about the 'victory' of the traditional (Meath) game over Tyrone's running/hassling/high-tempo game. His point about the 'old' Tyrone being finished is not completely incorrect - the 2008 AI victors looked a different team (in the way they played) to me to the 2005 victors.
I thought the match on Sunday was quite similar to the 2005 final and Tyrone didn't play a lot different apart from the fact that Tyrone seemed defence seemed to be happy to play man to man for all the game on Sunday past.
I did however get to watch the 2003 semi final again last week and it was a brutal match. Tyrone were like a possessed rugby league team in their tackling but you can't blame them for that. They needed to win that match at any costs.
I suppose my point is that Tyrone played superb football in 2005 as well but were still tarnished with the 'puke football' tag from 2 years previous. The 05 final was a superb game of football.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 24, 2008, 02:18:53 PM
Yes, LDA it's nice to be wise after the event - but McGee is old-school, and the point of his article (to me) was about the 'victory' of the traditional (Meath) game over Tyrone's running/hassling/high-tempo game. His point about the 'old' Tyrone being finished is not completely incorrect - the 2008 AI victors looked a different team (in the way they played) to me to the 2005 victors.
It is indeed and I take your point. As I said though the article stuck in my craw at the time and I thought it was unfair, Tyrone had a decent summer in 2007 and personally I felt had they just had a bit more luck with injuries they would have been very close to Sam. In my mind McGee was way too quick to write the team off (and "End of an era as Tyrone shuffle off the big stage" was writing the team off). It wasnt unreasonable to suggest that when Tyrone got a few of those key men back they would again be contenders at least. As for style of play Id have agree with Great Leap Forward, the Tyrone team of 2008 is playing a pretty similar style to 2005. The only real difference is that its even more of a total football style to allow for the fact that we didnt have a PtG, SON or Mugsy this year weighing in with big tallies.
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2008, 12:00:10 PM
I've been very critical in the past of Tyrone's tendency to go to ground much too easily. I'm happy to say that the last couple of seasons have seen a huge reduction in the use of this tactic, much to the benefit of the quality of their football.
Hardy has saved football and Tyrone. All Hail Hardy. We will write a song about you yet.
Well yiz are not near as hateful as yiz used to be. I rest my case, but I'm happy to stay in the background and let Mickey take the credit.
Re-run on Setanta Ireland now until 10pm.
On the way home from the match I decided to buy a few papers to read how well the journos had predicted the result. The only one I could get was the Sunday Times. They had about five articles that were well written and enjoyable to read and they presented a very balanced view of both teams strenghts and weaknesses. From now on that what I'm going to buy when the championship gets going next year. I'll use the rest of the paper to light the winter fires though. I find the rest of the mainstream journalists are too interested in portraying their own prejudices to be worth reading any more.
I listened to McGee on Newstalk on Monday or Tuesday and I think he talks a lot of sense. He at least knows what it takes to stop Kerry and his Offaly fellas in 81/82 were well able to mix it with Kerry, as well as play a bit of football.
Does anybody know where I can get a DVD of Sundays game. Forgot to record it.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 24, 2008, 09:01:41 PM
On the way home from the match I decided to buy a few papers to read how well the journos had predicted the result. The only one I could get was the Sunday Times. They had about five articles that were well written and enjoyable to read and they presented a very balanced view of both teams strenghts and weaknesses. From now on that what I'm going to buy when the championship gets going next year. I'll use the rest of the paper to light the winter fires though. I find the rest of the mainstream journalists are too interested in portraying their own prejudices to be worth reading any more.
The Sunday Times is a must-read and has been so since 2002/3 for GAA. Excellent analysts (apart from Whacko Jacko)
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2008, 05:44:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2008, 12:00:10 PM
I've been very critical in the past of Tyrone's tendency to go to ground much too easily. I'm happy to say that the last couple of seasons have seen a huge reduction in the use of this tactic, much to the benefit of the quality of their football.
Hardy has saved football and Tyrone. All Hail Hardy. We will write a song about you yet.
All hail indeed, and never mind what he might be apt to term himself like 'arse', he's nothing of the sordid sort!
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 24, 2008, 09:01:41 PM
From now on that what I'm going to buy when the championship gets going next year.
They do decent coverage of Provincial Club Championships too.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 24, 2008, 09:01:41 PM
I listened to McGee on Newstalk on Monday or Tuesday and I think he talks a lot of sense. He at least knows what it takes to stop Kerry and his Offaly fellas in 81/82 were well able to mix it with Kerry, as well as play a bit of football.
Newstalk always have the best interviews but when they are talking among themselves they spend more time analyzing and predicting like they are reading from a tabloid.
As i descended the steps of the lower Hogan to get on to the pitch last weekend, a Meath fella grabbed me roughly, shook me like a ferret with a rabbit and said "yiz are some team ya boy ya yiz murdered the Kerrymen the day - Fair play to ye" It could well have been the hardyarse man judging by his new found love of Tyrone football. Anyway the comment was appreciated and fair play back to the Meath men.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on September 24, 2008, 10:44:58 PM
Does anybody know where I can get a DVD of Sundays game. Forgot to record it.
If you can get it, then go to the BBC iPlayer. It's on there and you can download the whole lot. Then burn to DVD on your computer (Or copy to memory stick and burn to DVD somewhere else.
Any sign of Tommy Lyons ? Has he retired or is he away on an arse boxing holiday ? ;) ;D
What actually happend Colm McCullagh?
Weren't the biscuits out of date?
The last 2-3 minutes was possibly the biggest rush I've felt at a match. In 2003 and 2005 there was always the chance of a goal ruining the celebrations. This year, the 3-point salvo in 60 secs meant Kerry were out on their feet. Acted the complete lunatic but fitted in nicely.
Just watched the BBC coverage and that BBC and RTE missed Colm Cavanagh's point. My recollection of it is that he caught the short kick-out 'basketball like' as it went over his head, but that 3 points in 50 seconds period is all a bit of a blur! HEY just had an idea - We could call it "3 in a Row - Gone in 60 seconds!" ;D :D Any Footage of Colm Cavangh's point anywhere?
Quote from: hardstation on September 25, 2008, 08:32:04 PM
Go on, tell us what you did. Bet you tried to get a Mexican wave going and all. The Kerryman, 3 seats down ruined the craic though so you started singing "You've all gone quiet over there".
"you only sing when you're milking"
Quote from: Puckoon on September 25, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
What actually happend Colm McCullagh?
Dead leg. Yer not getting off that easy for the replay Puckoon ;)
Haha zap - I was watching it again yesterday - and I can see he just starts limping a bit, but couldnt tell what it was.
Never fear- we have the "twin towers"
What a stupid f**king name by the way. :D
"ziggysego" I was in the scratcher last night reading the Tyrone 2007 year book, when I came across your article a bout the GAA board which by the way was very good. Well done!
Was just wondering did anyone see the incident at the Hogan stand side of the field right before half time, when Stephen O Neill bent down to pick up the ball. As he was a bending down one of the Kerry lads came running in from the side and made contact with Stephen. Now at the moment of impact, the person in front of me stood up and I missed it. But judging by Stephen's reaction and seeing his bloody nose it appeared the Kerry fella made a "wild challange". Did anyone else see the incident? Surprised no one else has mentioned it though.
Wasn't that when O'Mahony got booked?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2008, 04:37:59 PM
Wasn't that when O'Mahony got booked?
Yes but did he make contact with the hip, elbow or foot? It just appeared by the reaction that it was very harsh?
Are youse still talking about that bloody match after nearly a week?!
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 26, 2008, 04:36:43 PM
"ziggysego" I was in the scratcher last night reading the Tyrone 2007 year book, when I came across your article a bout the GAA board which by the way was very good. Well done!
Thanks sir :)
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 25, 2008, 09:17:32 PM
Just watched the BBC coverage and that BBC and RTE missed Colm Cavanagh's point. My recollection of it is that he caught the short kick-out 'basketball like' as it went over his head, but that 3 points in 50 seconds period is all a bit of a blur! HEY just had an idea - We could call it "3 in a Row - Gone in 60 seconds!" ;D :D Any Footage of Colm Cavangh's point anywhere?
The only footage on BBC and RTE was Colm lofting the ball over the bar, they both missed the kick out and him fielding it. Murphy was just in front of Cavanagh Jnr, he mustve kicked it right into his hands?? He could have stuck it into the net actually, there was nobody behind Murphy. Wise to take the point though.
As for Tony Baloney we'll be talking about the match for a good while yet ;D.
Just watched the match again there. Hub had a massive effect on the game. He had gave Tyrone a lot more control over midfield, made the Goal and scored a point. If he used the ball better instead of shooting from far out he would have been even better.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 26, 2008, 04:36:43 PM
"ziggysego" I was in the scratcher last night reading the Tyrone 2007 year book, when I came across your article a bout the GAA board which by the way was very good. Well done!
Was just wondering did anyone see the incident at the Hogan stand side of the field right before half time, when Stephen O Neill bent down to pick up the ball. As he was a bending down one of the Kerry lads came running in from the side and made contact with Stephen. Now at the moment of impact, the person in front of me stood up and I missed it. But judging by Stephen's reaction and seeing his bloody nose it appeared the Kerry fella made a "wild challange". Did anyone else see the incident? Surprised no one else has mentioned it though.
I don't thinks that's wat happened stevie, if you look closely I think stevie gets an accidental elbow from tomas o se wen they challenging for the ball immediately after o mahoneys challenge! You can see O se shake I neills hand after he receives treatment, no malice involved I think
Will have to look at the print edition to see who penned this mighty piece, probably our friend Breheny. Seems to feel that Deegan helped us to rob the mighty Kingdom with our dirty Northern tactics. He's getting laughable at the stage.
Any mention of Griffin or Galvin high tackles - not a one.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/can-kerry-unravel-the-ulster-question-1484148.html
What's more, they inflicted their physical game on Kerry in a manner that no other team does. They were helped in no small way by Maurice Deegan's liberal reluctance to flash yellow cards for personal fouling, but even allowing for that, Kerry could have no excuses.
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Referee Maurice Deegan set the tone for the rather liberal interpretation of the rules which he applied all day when he merely threw the ball up after Tommy Walsh was charged by Ryan McMenamin and intimidated by Joseph McMahon after the young Kerryman had been penalised for over-carrying in the fourth minute.
A flash of yellow would have been appropriate in the circumstances.
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Tyrone extended their lead to three points in the 37th minute and were still three clear by the 46th minute before Kerry began their fightback. It was during this period that Kerry could feel most aggrieved with the referee. Tyrone were guilty of deliberately destructive fouling but ensured that it happened far enough away from goal not to be turned into immediate scores. Again, it called for a flash of yellow which didn't come.
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Quote from: tyssam5 on September 27, 2008, 08:44:57 AM
Will have to look at the print edition to see who penned this mighty piece, probably our friend Breheny. Seems to feel that Deegan helped us to rob the mighty Kingdom with our dirty Northern tactics. He's getting laughable at the stage.
Any mention of Griffin or Galvin high tackles - not a one.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/can-kerry-unravel-the-ulster-question-1484148.html
What's more, they inflicted their physical game on Kerry in a manner that no other team does. They were helped in no small way by Maurice Deegan's liberal reluctance to flash yellow cards for personal fouling, but even allowing for that, Kerry could have no excuses.
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Referee Maurice Deegan set the tone for the rather liberal interpretation of the rules which he applied all day when he merely threw the ball up after Tommy Walsh was charged by Ryan McMenamin and intimidated by Joseph McMahon after the young Kerryman had been penalised for over-carrying in the fourth minute.
A flash of yellow would have been appropriate in the circumstances.
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Tyrone extended their lead to three points in the 37th minute and were still three clear by the 46th minute before Kerry began their fightback. It was during this period that Kerry could feel most aggrieved with the referee. Tyrone were guilty of deliberately destructive fouling but ensured that it happened far enough away from goal not to be turned into immediate scores. Again, it called for a flash of yellow which didn't come.
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So which is it? Do Kerry need to
answer the Ulster question :D :D ::)? Or was it Deegan's fault?
i don't know if this article is on this thread allready but i'll post it anyway it was in last saturdays irish times by keith Duggan
Tyrone still inspired by the angels on their shoulders
THE 1997 minor semi-final replay between Tyrone and Kerry quickly became obscured as it was played on an afternoon of international melodrama. While the teenagers sparked to create a simple and moving afternoon of sport in Parnell Park, the world tuned in to the floral-wreathed hysteria on Pall Mall and the last procession of Lady Diana.
Unsurprisingly, the story of the football match the teenagers produced was largely washed away in the flood of tears and recitation of that weekend. But those who were in Parnell Park on that Saturday afternoon, September 6th immediately recognised that they had witnessed something special.
Tyrone's very presence was somewhat unlikely and the youngsters in the squad had troubles more profound than many of the thousands who participated in that strange London concert of grief. Earlier that summer, the squad had been stunned when their team-mate Paul McGirr collapsed after a collision in the Ulster semi-final against Armagh and, unbelievably, died several hours later in hospital.
In the weeks afterwards, the team somehow found the resolve to win the Ulster championship and, after facing elimination against Kerry in the All-Ireland semi-final, they hauled themselves back from a five points deficit to earn a replay. Fr Gerald McAleer and Mickey Harte were, as teachers, probably more adept than most at guiding the boys through the shock of what happened to Paul McGirr.
But between the drawn match and the replay came the news that Paul Hughes, an older brother of midfielder Kevin, had been killed in a car crash on the Ballygawley-Dungannon road (the family would later lose a sister on the same stretch). Paul's funeral took place on the Tuesday before the replay. The coaches spoke with the teenager, not sure of the wisest course of action.
"It was all a learning experience for us too," Fr McAleer says now. "We asked Kevin and he embraced this idea of playing for his brother. And Kevin Hughes was good that day. His game was so refined and disciplined. I think that was the day, in my opinion, when Tyrone gave out the message to Kerry and the rest of the country: we are here. We are here for the reckoning. It is easy to remember these days when you live through them."
That day in Parnell Park was, by all accounts, one of those sporting afternoons that caught all observers off-guard as it moved from a fascinating replay into deeper country so that the collective effort of the athletes transcended the result.
Tyrone won 0-23 to 0-21 after extra-time. Several youngsters were treated for cramp. Cormac McAnallen had to (temporarily) leave the field moments after landing an outrageously long free-kick, estimated in this newspaper at about 60 yards. The score put Tyrone three points up for the first time and proved the definitive chink of daylight between the teams.
"I don't think he even took frees for the club," his brother Donal remembered this week, thinking back in slightly vexed humour to the limitless self-belief contained within his younger brother. "I just think it was a case of his having won the free and he just decided to chance it. And it sailed over too. It kept travelling."
The late Seán Kilfeather was among the sportswriters in the press seats in Parnell Park.
"Not one player flinched although by the second period of extra-time several players were in need of attention for cramp," he wrote in that Monday's Irish Times. "Many spectators were in dire need of help as well. An elderly Tyrone woman was in tears at the end. Clutching an All-Ireland medal won by her late husband with the Tyrone minors 50 years ago, she echoed the feelings of a crowd of approximately 4,000: 'Nobody deserved to lose that match,' she said."
Afterwards, Kilfeather met Tim Kennelly on the famous Dublin field. The great Kerry man had two sons playing (Noel and Tadhg were the most high-profile starters on that year's minor team although in the 70th minute, the Kingdom sent in a skinny kid from Finuge listed as P Galvin).
"The amount of effort those lads put into that match, all of them, was astounding," Kennelly told Kilfeather. "I only hope the GAA finds some way to reward them for their effort."
On the bus back home, the players heard an unforgettable compliment crackling through the wireless on the evening news. Micheál O'Muircheartaigh was rhapsodising about the game. He said it might have been the best minor match he ever witnessed.
In retrospect, this was a fabulously talented group of Tyrone players. Ciarán Gourley, McAnallen, Hughes, Brian McGuigan, Mark Harte and Stephen O'Neill were among those who would go on to star at senior level. Harte scored 0-12 that day and was marked by Martin Beckett, a young Kerry star whose days would also prove tragically brief - another victim of Irish roads.
"A lot of people remembered Martin because he was very, very blond, he stood out on the field. He always stayed in my mind from that day," says Donal McAnallen.
Tyrone then came up against the celebrated Laois minor team, the sensational juvenile outfit of that era. They lost by 3-11 to 1-14 and had to wait 12 months for the ultimate glory. By the summer of 1998, Pascal McConnell, Michael Magee, Gavin Devlin, Owen Mulligan and Enda McGinley had earned their place on the starting 15. McAnallen, Hughes, and O'Neill were still there. McGuigan - injury-plagued and the original choice as captain - was on the bench along with Ryan Mellon and Philip Jordan. When one considers the Tyrone panel for tomorrow's epochal showdown, it seems like an outrageously dense amalgamation of talent.
Brian McGuigan allowed himself a slow, crooked smile when asked about his minor days when we met in Carrickmore one night last week. It was the Tyrone "press night" and afterwards, the public were allowed to come along and meet the players.
McGuigan had made the mistake of wandering on to the stands for a BBC Ulster interview and afterwards he stood in the light drizzle circled by hundreds of young fans, scribbling his name on literally anything and everything until his hand ached.
Lights shone on the Nally Stand and the famous Croke Park relic looked splendid and almost art deco in its new mid-Ulster home and under the canopy of the main stand, people were grilling hamburgers and sausages.
You thought about the grave battle McGuigan has been through just to become a football player again and watched him in this scene and something of the incredible resilience of this Tyrone bunch made sense.
Taking refuge in a corridor, McGuigan said: "It doesn't seem 10 years. You think back to when you were 17 and it was like yesterday. But then you think back through that time, there were a lot of ups and a lot of downs. There were extremes. You have to take the bangs with the good times. But the good thing is that through those 10 years a lot of real friendships grew between the players and, in later years, we will have those to look back on."
Upstairs, Kevin Hughes stood drinking tea and he felt the same as McGuigan about those intense and passionate couple of seasons.
"It is funny you say it. I was at the minor final last year and thinking, God, 10 years ago I was there. So on the one hand you think that the time has really flown by, but then you look back at the football we have played and yeah, we have been on the road a while.
"But it is great to be back here and to be involved with Tyrone and to have so many of the boys we played with at minor still around. Because Mickey always preached to us at minor to give it our all because according to statistics, only two or three of us would make it as seniors. We were lucky. There must have been 10 of us."
When their hour of joy came in 1998, it was played out against a truly terrible backdrop. The Omagh bombing - an atrocity that still reverberates through souls as well as contemporary news broadcasts - had happened in mid-August. Even after three decades of violence, it shook Ulster to the core and numbed Tyrone.
Everyone knew someone.
"Mickey and I had been to school in Omagh," says Fr Gerard. "A fair few of the boys were in school in Omagh. It wasn't far from anybody."
There was talk of the minor team withdrawing from the championship as a mark of respect. Harte and McAleer were not of that mind, but, at the same time, they had to gauge if their charges could still engage with sport. As with the true tragedy of the year before, the act of playing football somehow made sense. The squad were blessed with what Mark Twain described as "the elastic heart of youth".
Young people keep going. They adapt. They have irrepressible energy. Tyrone beat the feted Laois team who were chasing a three-in-a-row. The final score was 2-11 to 0-11, the goals courtesy of Enda McGinley and the cheeky Cookstown youngster, Owen Mulligan. Aidan Lynch, a light bundle of tricks from Castlederg, landed 0-5, three from play.
Afterwards, the mutual grace displayed between the teams marked one of the shining hours in the history of the association. The O'Moore County lads formed a guard of honour and applauded the Tyrone men off the field. Kevin Skelton, the Tyrone referee who lost family in the Omagh bombing, paid a visit to the victorious dressingroom underneath the old Hogan Stand.
Oliver Phelan, the Laois coach, came into the packed room. "I told ye last year ye would win it," he told the audience. "Didn't tell ye to do it against us though."
The boys laughed heartily - probably for the first time in weeks. As their bus neared the lights of Omagh that evening, emotions were more complicated.
"Going back into Omagh that night was one of those times when emotions just crack open," Fr McAleer says now. "It was a spontaneous reaction to an awful moment in our lives."
Minor fame can be a dangerous addiction. Many's the foolish youth has dined out on it until he has found himself middle-aged. Not so with this bunch. All-Ireland under-21 titles followed in 2000 and 2001 under the tutelage of Harte and McAleer.
That autumn, Art McRory, the godfather of the Red Hand game, stepped down from the senior position and the squad felt like a continuation of the minor days - except that bone fide legends like Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher were the big voices in the dressingroom.
They won the senior All-Ireland in September 2003, a victory both local and universal because it was over Armagh. Go back into that dressingroom now and the scenes are bittersweet. There is Chris Lawn, the suede-headed veteran in disbelief that he has an All-Ireland medal, raising his hands like a celebrant at all the fresh faces around him.
"Why not go on?" he asks rhetorically. "Why not?" "These are young boys!"
Stephen O'Neill sits elsewhere rapping freely about Paul McGirr and concluding, "He'll be happy in Heaven tonight."
And McAnallen, the captain, talking at one hundred miles an hour. "The moment I am looking forward to is to wake up tomorrow as an All-Ireland champion. Aye, a night's sleep now cos I got no sleep last night. Just tossing and turning the whole night. Though at the same time, I want to stay up all night. Ah, it's just going to be magical."
And for several months afterwards, it was. Those light-hearted words from a young All-Ireland captain hold a terrible poignancy now. Everyone knows what happened that March 3rd, 2004, when Cormac McAnallen went in his sleep at the age of 24. Word spread before sunrise and it was stupefying. It was like being told Lough Neagh had become a desert. It made no sense. For many, it still does not.
"We were so young and to go through that then makes you think that what happened to them could have happened to any of us," Kevin Hughes said. "It frightens you. And it does make you a stronger person as well because you have to deal with things like that at a younger age. So when you have dealt with that, going out and playing football seems easy."
The life of the Eglish man, such a torrent of accomplishment and goodwill, has been eulogised plenty but they still struggle to find adequate passages to make sense of his death. Football was supposed to be a passion and a recreation for Fr McAleer but through his years with this Tyrone team, it confronted him with the most fundamental sacraments of his vocation. He has often mused on what it was about McAnallen that set him apart.
"I have tried to answer it myself. It was an elusive quality. It wasn't charisma. Cormac wanted to be good at everything he tried his hand at. He was always his own man and it didn't matter if everyone else was going in one direction, if he wanted to, he went his own way. And the crowd followed him. I can't explain why. They just did."
Although Tyrone were, understandably, a hollow force throughout that dark summer, they came back to win a second senior All-Ireland in September of 2005. Afterwards you only had to look at the strain on the face of Mickey Harte to understand this was the only ode they knew how to compose for their departed leader.
And now the decade turns full circle. Sport reduces everything to the fundamental glory and pain of the crowded hour and its powers of redemption can be limitless. But life is different. Years pass. Boys turn to men and jobs, girlfriends, houses, weddings, the muddle of ordinary life . . . just happens.
For the families of Paul McGirr and Cormac McAnallen, the everyday joys and annoyances bring memories and pains that are as vivid as those provoked by the grandest days in Croke Park. Donal McAnallen, although still immersed in Gaelic Games, found that he went less and less to see the county team after his brother died. "I suppose it just didn't mean as much to me."
For the many families afflicted by the devastation of the Omagh bombing, football could only offer so much comfort as well.
The thing about it is, the Tyrone football team just kept on playing through it all. They have coped with what has been an extraordinarily distressful barrage of heartbreak and have never sought to fixate on any of this. They have been pitched from the unconfined happiness of their All-Ireland splendour to days of unimaginable sadness and back again.
When Pascal McConnell was asked about his absent team-mates, the big goalkeeping man moved his bear-like hands and tried to reason out the unreasonable.
"We had our share of tragedies. Them fellas have been like the angels on our shoulder. The two lads didn't get to see what we achieved and it would be great to have them about today. But they are very much part of our thoughts.
"And you know, we have had our fair share of close shaves in games over the last lock of years on our way to senior success and you like to think that they are a guiding light in those kind of games."
As an explanation as to why Tyrone's glittering football years have been accompanied by such a grim and unforgettable shadow story, it is as good as any. The why of what Brian McGuigan rightly labelled "the extremes" are beyond any of us. All the Tyrone boys could do was keep playing. That is why their presence in tomorrow's All-Ireland final provides the most eloquent epitaph on everything the have striven to represent since that half forgotten day in north Dublin and that minor All-Ireland title of a decade ago, a victory for the power of innocence if ever there was one.
"Everyone says we are a young team," Owen Mulligan laughed after Tyrone had won their first All-Ireland, "but we became men out there today."
Rare men. Greatness beckons for the class of '97/'98. It is easy to remember these days when you live through them.
© 2008 The Irish Times
This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times
That's a great article.
For several reasons didn't get round to this before now. Just want to add my belated congrats to Tyrone. A great achievement and a fine match. Tough on Kerry but in fairness to them most of them take it the right way and show the class of a county that has had such successs over the years. Nothing is surer but that they'll be back.
Anyone in the Cusack Upper 709 see the old boy losing the head altogether when it became obvious the Tyrone were going to win. He was a wee buck and 75+ and jaysus he sowed it into every Kerry person in sight. Not very sporting but the amazing thing is for a fella of his age he was able to keep the rant going for so long without seemingly needing to breathe! I found it amusing to be honest. A lot of pent up anger got released. Twas funny if you say it.
I think you would have to class Mickey Harte as the greatest GAA manager ever at this stage.
From the ALL Ireland under 21 loss to kerry in 1990 I believe Kerry have not beaten Tyrone at any level in championship football despiite a considerable number of jousts in this period. To my mind that involves 1 AI U21 final (following year); 1 aI semi minor 97; 1 AI minor final 2000, 1 aI senior semifinal 03 and 2 all Ireland finals 05 and 07.
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2008, 10:52:04 AM
From the ALL Ireland under 21 loss to kerry in 1990 I believe Kerry have not beaten Tyrone at any level in championship football despiite a considerable number of jousts in this period. To my mind that involves 1 AI U21 final (following year); 1 aI semi minor 97; 1 AI minor final 2000, 1 aI senior semifinal 03 and 2 all Ireland finals 05 and 07.
2004 minor Final as well
Quote from: Doire abú on September 27, 2008, 10:07:22 AM
That's a great article.
is there a better writer on GAA than Keith Duggan?
In was at the AIF - sitting to a neutral and one thing he did point repeatdly was Tyrones tactics (in both minor and senoir games) of whenever the opposition got a bit of momentum up Tyrone would hold up play to break that momentum by falling to the ground after a challenge and bring the physios etc on for attention in order to hold up play. It worked well against Mayo.
Also can some one tell us who the Tyrone mentor is - in the orange bib that practically never left the field? Its a wonder the sideline officials dont call these boys attention to the referees and tell them to get the F off the pitch and leave the players at it.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 27, 2008, 02:03:15 PM
In was at the AIF - sitting to a neutral and one thing he did point repeatdly was Tyrones tactics (in both minor and senoir games) of whenever the opposition got a bit of momentum up Tyrone would hold up play to break that momentum by falling to the ground after a challenge and bring the physios etc on for attention in order to hold up play. It worked well against Mayo.
Also can some one tell us who the Tyrone mentor is - in the orange bib that practically never left the field? Its a wonder the sideline officials dont call these boys attention to the referees and tell them to get the F off the pitch and leave the players at it.
It's pity some Kerry supporters can't take a leaf from their players books when it comes to taking a defeat with a bit of grace!
Quote from: Star Spangler on September 27, 2008, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 27, 2008, 02:03:15 PM
In was at the AIF - sitting to a neutral and one thing he did point repeatdly was Tyrones tactics (in both minor and senoir games) of whenever the opposition got a bit of momentum up Tyrone would hold up play to break that momentum by falling to the ground after a challenge and bring the physios etc on for attention in order to hold up play. It worked well against Mayo.
Also can some one tell us who the Tyrone mentor is - in the orange bib that practically never left the field? Its a wonder the sideline officials dont call these boys attention to the referees and tell them to get the F off the pitch and leave the players at it.
It's pity some Kerry supporters can't take a leaf from their players books when it comes to taking a defeat with a bit of grace!
Excuse me ! but I was one of the first on here to say fair play and congrats to Tyrone for their AI win. However the unsavoury tactics as mentioned above have no place in the game and this Tyrone team are quite capable of winning games without such unsporting behaviour. Now before you come back and say that Kerry are no angels either - I am merely telling youse what the neutral spectator was pointing out to me.
You're some craic. Kerry were the master of underhand tactics in this year's Championship.
amazing that the NEUTRAL!!! only pointed out the misgivings of the tyrone team
Quote from: puskas on September 27, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 27, 2008, 10:07:22 AM
That's a great article.
is there a better writer on GAA than Keith Duggan?
No. Reading his book on Mayo football down through the years at the moment. Excellent stuff.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 28, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
Excuse me ! but I was one of the first on here to say fair play and congrats to Tyrone for their AI win. However the unsavoury tactics as mentioned above have no place in the game and this Tyrone team are quite capable of winning games without such unsporting behaviour. Now before you come back and say that Kerry are no angels either - I am merely telling youse what the neutral spectator was pointing out to me.
Piece in the Indo today written by a Kerryman, unfortunately the online edition doesnt say which one! Anyway whoever it was fair play to him..
"You'll understand that as a Kerryman my default position is to look at last Sunday through green and gold tinted glasses. But I want to say that this does not take in any way from Tyrone's achievement, nor in my admiration for the manner of their victory. Everything they did, both on the field and on the sideline, was everything I expected and hoped Kerry would do in the pursuit of glory.
There is no question that they were worthy and deserving winners and, in actual fact, some of the media commentary in the last week has left a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of applauding these worthy winners, some have whispered innuendos out of the corner of their mouths, casting aspersions on how this victory was achieved.
I have no problem with anything Tyrone did last Sunday; they won the game fair and square, playing the better football, showing the greater hunger and aggression and willingness to put their bodies on the line for the cause. This is what is required to win an All-Ireland. Nothing less is good enough, as Kerry found out."
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 28, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
Piece in the Indo today written by a Kerryman, unfortunately the online edition doesnt say which one! Anyway whoever it was fair play to him..
"You'll understand that as a Kerryman my default position is to look at last Sunday through green and gold tinted glasses. But I want to say that this does not take in any way from Tyrone's achievement, nor in my admiration for the manner of their victory. Everything they did, both on the field and on the sideline, was everything I expected and hoped Kerry would do in the pursuit of glory.
There is no question that they were worthy and deserving winners and, in actual fact, some of the media commentary in the last week has left a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of applauding these worthy winners, some have whispered innuendos out of the corner of their mouths, casting aspersions on how this victory was achieved.
I have no problem with anything Tyrone did last Sunday; they won the game fair and square, playing the better football, showing the greater hunger and aggression and willingness to put their bodies on the line for the cause. This is what is required to win an All-Ireland. Nothing less is good enough, as Kerry found out."
Fair play to him. If you speak to the ordinary Kerryman and woman on the street, they'd say the same. It's just journalists and the odd grump who says differently.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 28, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 28, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
Excuse me ! but I was one of the first on here to say fair play and congrats to Tyrone for their AI win. However the unsavoury tactics as mentioned above have no place in the game and this Tyrone team are quite capable of winning games without such unsporting behaviour. Now before you come back and say that Kerry are no angels either - I am merely telling youse what the neutral spectator was pointing out to me.
Piece in the Indo today written by a Kerryman, unfortunately the online edition doesnt say which one! Anyway whoever it was fair play to him..
"You'll understand that as a Kerryman my default position is to look at last Sunday through green and gold tinted glasses. But I want to say that this does not take in any way from Tyrone's achievement, nor in my admiration for the manner of their victory. Everything they did, both on the field and on the sideline, was everything I expected and hoped Kerry would do in the pursuit of glory.
There is no question that they were worthy and deserving winners and, in actual fact, some of the media commentary in the last week has left a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of applauding these worthy winners, some have whispered innuendos out of the corner of their mouths, casting aspersions on how this victory was achieved.
I have no problem with anything Tyrone did last Sunday; they won the game fair and square, playing the better football, showing the greater hunger and aggression and willingness to put their bodies on the line for the cause. This is what is required to win an All-Ireland. Nothing less is good enough, as Kerry found out."
I think that's Paidi O'Se who wrote that.
QuoteFrom the ALL Ireland under 21 loss to kerry in 1990 I believe Kerry have not beaten Tyrone at any level in championship football despiite a considerable number of jousts in this period. To my mind that involves 1 AI U21 final (following year); 1 aI semi minor 97; 1 AI minor final 2000, 1 aI senior semifinal 03 and 2 all Ireland finals 05 and 07.
Did the Kerry minors not beat Tyrone minors last year?
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2008, 10:52:04 AM
From the ALL Ireland under 21 loss to kerry in 1990 I believe Kerry have not beaten Tyrone at any level in championship football despiite a considerable number of jousts in this period. To my mind that involves 1 AI U21 final (following year); 1 aI semi minor 97; 1 AI minor final 2000, 1 aI senior semifinal 03 and 2 all Ireland finals 05 and 07.
Off the mark there. Kerry beat us last year and absolutely trounced our minors in 2002 with Pat O'Shea as manager.
Quote from: puskas on September 27, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 27, 2008, 10:07:22 AM
That's a great article.
is there a better writer on GAA than Keith Duggan?
super writer, i'm a huge fan of his...
Quote from: glens73 on September 28, 2008, 05:00:32 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on September 28, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 28, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
Excuse me ! but I was one of the first on here to say fair play and congrats to Tyrone for their AI win. However the unsavoury tactics as mentioned above have no place in the game and this Tyrone team are quite capable of winning games without such unsporting behaviour. Now before you come back and say that Kerry are no angels either - I am merely telling youse what the neutral spectator was pointing out to me.
Piece in the Indo today written by a Kerryman, unfortunately the online edition doesnt say which one! Anyway whoever it was fair play to him..
"You'll understand that as a Kerryman my default position is to look at last Sunday through green and gold tinted glasses. But I want to say that this does not take in any way from Tyrone's achievement, nor in my admiration for the manner of their victory. Everything they did, both on the field and on the sideline, was everything I expected and hoped Kerry would do in the pursuit of glory.
There is no question that they were worthy and deserving winners and, in actual fact, some of the media commentary in the last week has left a sour taste in my mouth. Instead of applauding these worthy winners, some have whispered innuendos out of the corner of their mouths, casting aspersions on how this victory was achieved.
I have no problem with anything Tyrone did last Sunday; they won the game fair and square, playing the better football, showing the greater hunger and aggression and willingness to put their bodies on the line for the cause. This is what is required to win an All-Ireland. Nothing less is good enough, as Kerry found out."
I think that's Paidi O'Se who wrote that.
I was wondering who wrote that piece myself and was thinking Paidi as well.
Meanwhile congrats to the Bomber Liston in the same edition for being the first Kerryman to suggest a rule change after our latest win. The Bomber seems to favour an NBA type play-off to give the better teams a chance to come back from surprise results. ;D ;D
"Tyrone were, it is true, the better team on the day, but if the same teams were to meet three times, I believe Kerry would win twice."
" That, and the wily Tyrone fox on the sideline, whose
ability to catch Kerry by surprise was worthy of Rommel. "
Easy men to surprise down in Kerry apparantly, could the Bomber not have sent O'Shea DVDs of 03 and 05?
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Meanwhile O'Rourke dances around with some faint praise before getting his boot in as always.
"In pointing out these qualities, it does not in any way nullify the many arguments last week about the cynical fouling which was obvious in Tyrone's play. Being cynical is not a sin and this sort of play was not invented by Tyrone. However, away from the fouling, there were a few Tyrone players who went down -- and stayed down when there was no need -- getting Kerry players booked in the process. (Owen Mulligan did not cover himself in glory with his dive in the second half).
Overall, though, it was an easy game to referee but the opportunity to show that no messing was going to be allowed was lost when Joe McMahon went about shouting into Tommy Walsh's face early on. He should have been given a yellow card and that would have set the tone.
Some of the Kerry players may have got carded easily, but the challenges involved were high and clumsy if not really very dangerous"
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Sorry if I seem senstive to this stuff, but there is no way any post-mortem articles the week following a game would contain such bullshit had the team in green and gold won.
Sorry if I seem senstive to this stuff, but there is no way any post-mortem articles the week following a game would contain such bullshit had the team in green and gold won.
No doubt about it - a load of bullshit - Kerry would have received more glowing tributes than this !
Always think through yer own facts before ye put them in print. Anyway I thought the times and the indo yesterday penned the best GAA articles this year. It was pure nirvana with the most accurate interpretation of the final on Hold the back page. Also thought Hogans article was outstanding.
Whinging in defeat is commonplace. Whinging in victory is much rarer and requires a whole different level of perceived victimhood.
QuoteWill have to look at the print edition to see who penned this mighty piece, probably our friend Breheny. Seems to feel that Deegan helped us to rob the mighty Kingdom with our dirty Northern tactics. He's getting laughable at the stage.
As I've mentioned before the real reason that Breheny chooses to write with such vitriol regarding Tyrone is that he los a fortune on Kerry. The fat fool was rubbing his hands at Bredagh saying how Kerry & Kilkenny minors would pay rich dividends. Can't wait to meet the pr*ck again so I can rub it in.
Quote"In pointing out these qualities, it does not in any way nullify the many arguments last week about the cynical fouling which was obvious in Tyrone's play. Being cynical is not a sin and this sort of play was not invented by Tyrone. However, away from the fouling, there were a few Tyrone players who went down -- and stayed down when there was no need -- getting Kerry players booked in the process. (Owen Mulligan did not cover himself in glory with his dive in the second half).
Overall, though, it was an easy game to referee but the opportunity to show that no messing was going to be allowed was lost when Joe McMahon went about shouting into Tommy Walsh's face early on. He should have been given a yellow card and that would have set the tone.
Some of the Kerry players may have got carded easily, but the challenges involved were high and clumsy if not really very dangerous"
Which part of the above observations do you perceive as being incorrect?
QuoteWhich part of the above observations do you perceive as being incorrect?
It's Brenehy's fixation of focusing on the negative regards Tyrone's win. Brolly quite rightly pointed out in the Gaelic Life that he watched the game twice since and found the 'cynicism' outlined by Breheny hard to find. Any ar$ehole journalist could pick any hurling or football AIF and pick out a couple of negatives and harp on about it. Breheny and the Independent find it hard to bring themselves to say the best team won but prefer to plod the old ground of waxing lyrical about Kerry and how they were beaten by means other than better football.
To be fair to Paidi O'Se in yesterday's Indo, he said Tyrone beat Kerry fair and square and Kerry should have no complaints.
QuoteTo be fair to Paidi O'Se in yesterday's Indo, he said Tyrone beat Kerry fair and square and Kerry should have no complaints.
That's 'cos ex-Managers and respected players usually write balanced articles as opposed to some gobsh*te with betting issues and a consequential chip on his shoulder!
Undoubtedly Brehany will feel sore/ foolish after his recent writings and indeed will relish the inevitable short spell of anonymity (due to lack of interest / credibility in his penning) as he picks up the pieces after his year of puke jounalism. For some time I think he has needed to reinvent himself, and he could maybe lead with how very few journalists have yet picked up on what a game Gaelic football is now becoming, as it moves beyond the traditional catch and kick aussie rules style game to an intense, tactical, higher scoring, laced with skill, total football, highly physical sport.
For what we want Galeic Football to be make your choice between this years all ireland final and last years and nail your colours to the mast. As for the future see the way Mayo and Tyrone minors played stick the video in and pour yourself a drink, - a credit to their counties and themselves.
The future of Gaelic football has never looked so good. Tyrones rise will have given half of Ireland hope. Through hard work dedication skill and honesty great things can be achieved. They have singlehandedly removed the staus quo for ever.
Quote from: Hardy on September 29, 2008, 08:59:51 AM
Whinging in defeat is commonplace. Whinging in victory is much rarer and requires a whole different level of perceived victimhood.
Is it whinging in
defeat victory? I don´t think so.
I'd regard it as a critical analysis and quite appropriate to appraise the low standard of some gaelic games journalists in the wake of the AI final.
The words of Paudi were no doubt written in reaction and as a neutral I agree with him wholeheartedly.
Quote from: Main Street on September 29, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 29, 2008, 08:59:51 AM
Whinging in defeat is commonplace. Whinging in victory is much rarer and requires a whole different level of perceived victimhood.
Is it whinging in defeat? I don´t think so.
I'd regard it as a critical analysis and quite appropriate to appraise the low standard of some gaelic games journalists in the wake of the AI final.
The words of Paudi were no doubt written in reaction and as a neutral I agree with him wholeheartedly.
Thanks Main Street.
Gee I dunno lads but ye'd have to be very biased to not say that they do have a point
Every since Mickey has taken over we have become a much more ugly to watch team
You could point at Armagh and say we had to adapt to meet their physial strenght but our constant winning at all lengths is really pissing off a lot of us purists.
When I was a child I loved watching players like Eugene McKenna, Damian O'Hagan, Frank McGuigan and more recently Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill.
We played hard but fair football and at least I was proud of style of play with all out attack and the passion of not knowing would you win or lose
Coming to Croker was a complete novelty and a rare occurence and you were so excited cos you had no pressure of being expected to win.
The odd win over Galway or even Dublin in the NFL semis were so exciting but of course the bigger boys like Meath, Dublin and of course Kerry would teach us a footballing lesson and we'd go home content with our wee Ango Celt and pride that we play fair but attractive football.
Everywhere we went we were popular fans and teams welcomed us all over the country
I remember a Div 4 leage game once in Omagh v Kilkenny and in the 2nd half the ball was kicked out & the whole Kilkenny team and stopped and looked up as a large helicopter came in to land near Healy Park
Things are so different now with all the diving, feigning injuries, holding yer face when ye get a punch to the Gut, diving, crying to the Ref, diving, Shouting in people's faces when we score, Shouting in people's faces when they miss, Dragging men to the ground to slow down the game, Staying down injured to waste time and momentum, did I say diving.
With the exception of Sean Cavanagh who is probably from Armagh anyway if ye examine the older maps, we hadn't wan forward in the final and yet again had no MF.
I think there is a severe lack of respect for teams like Kerry and Dublin who have a much longer tradition of AI success and as Gregory Campbell says are we overstepping the cross border hospitalilty to be winning an international tournament when we're lucky to be even invited.
Next year will we get our own version of 4 grand provinces of Ireland
I think we've won enuf now lads and should make this our last year and look to get into a Super League with Europe and stop torturing these southern lads any more.
C'mon Mickey
Have a Harte
Pure class Fuzzman ! Love it !!!!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on September 29, 2008, 09:54:06 AM
Quote"In pointing out these qualities, it does not in any way nullify the many arguments last week about the cynical fouling which was obvious in Tyrone's play. Being cynical is not a sin and this sort of play was not invented by Tyrone. However, away from the fouling, there were a few Tyrone players who went down -- and stayed down when there was no need -- getting Kerry players booked in the process. (Owen Mulligan did not cover himself in glory with his dive in the second half).
Overall, though, it was an easy game to referee but the opportunity to show that no messing was going to be allowed was lost when Joe McMahon went about shouting into Tommy Walsh's face early on. He should have been given a yellow card and that would have set the tone.
Some of the Kerry players may have got carded easily, but the challenges involved were high and clumsy if not really very dangerous"
Which part of the above observations do you perceive as being incorrect?
I too would like an answer to the above question.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 29, 2008, 02:35:02 PMI too would like an answer to the above question.
"In pointing out these qualities, it does not in any way nullify the many arguments last week about the cynical fouling which was obvious in Tyrone's play"In the immediate wake of an all ireland final the main argument was
just how brilliant the Tyrone team was on the day and just how brilliant Mickey Harte was.
That achievement by Tyrone over Kerry was in no way nullifed by another argument altogether,
about cynicism in todays game as played by the 32 counties.
Lads watch a few videos of games from the 70's and 80's and then come back to us about being cycnical
If a player in those days was not able to stand up for himself and was small, nippy and talented then he got TAKEN out and often the perpertrator was only yellow carded.
(http://www.sallyminker.com/art/2-d/images/grapes-print.jpg)
Some interesting facts in papers over the weekend
Like Tyrone have now beaten AI champs in 2003, 2005 and 2008
The Monaghan and Tyrone sides of the 80s were much more cynical.
Was it just me or did a very high proportion of Tyrone scores come from play this year? I remember earlier in the year being very worried about our free taking. However certainly in the later cames we seemed to have very few scoreable free's. I'm not sure if it was good defending from other teams or the fact that our style involved freeing up a man in space and hence cutting out the contact.
Maybe wrong but I noticed this against Dublin and thought it was a ploy not to look for the free this year as we didn't have a recognised free-taker from the 30 onwards.
Having posted some stuff critical of journalists I thought I would provide some balance from Kieran Shannon, one of the few to tip Tyrone, in the Sunday Tribune. I thought this bit summing up Dooher was great.
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2008/sep/28/trials-and-triumphs-make-for-a-hungry-harte/
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Brian Dooher certainly wasn't. At times his desire even frightened Harte's. "The country needs to understand what that man has come through. He was on crutches for his wedding because he didn't want to waste two weeks recovery. Then he had to get a pin in that ankle. He wanted to get back to work so quickly, he broke it, had to have another operation to take it out. No sooner had he got that cleaned up when he crashed into Ciarán Gourley, cracking his kneecap. He had to get pins in for that, and then after that, a groin operation. Anyone else who had won as much as him would have given up there and then. Not Dooher. We had an in-house game this spring and he broke his nose, blood pumping everywhere. He storms into the dressing room, gets a few things stuck on him and comes back out. I say to him, 'Brian, this is only an in-house match.' He says, 'I don't give a feck. Sure it was broke manys a time before; what odds' and off he goes again. Against Westmeath his eye needed 10 stitches, it was out to here. I says to him, 'That's the end of your day anyway, Brian.' Sure he was back in once he was tidied up."
It's why, on the steps of the Hogan, Harte told Dooher with a smile "not to do anything". In 2005 he never got the chance to intercept Peter Canavan before his clubmate announced to the nation he was retiring. "If I had gotten to Peter, I would've encouraged him to take another look. He would've been invaluable to us in 2006 and after all he'd done to get back, I think we'd have been good for him in 2006 too. I wasn't going to let Dooher slip away."
Only sobering up now you'd swear we won with the amount of porter sank in the last week. Jaysus I was at a wedding in Monaghan on Friday , it was a Tyrone fellow and a Armagh bride, feck me that was some craic, I'm a sucker for punishment. And then I was supporting the Monaghan wimin' yesterday in their failed attempt to bate the langers.
As for the final a few rambled thoughts from me beer soaked brain.
The Turning Points:
1st Half
- The team Line outs, 1 Nil To Mickey Harte here, the McMahon brothers did well in the full back line, Ciaran Gourley will feel very hard done by not getting even a run out as I thought he had done well all year, Gormley was chasing Cooper for most of the 1st half but was on top by the end of the game while Penrose and Mellon gave Tyrone good options in Midfield and half forward line.
- The Devine bereavement added an extra bit of motivation for Tyrone, maybe it was the final bit of motivation and focussed their minds on the job in hand, you could feel the atmosphere tingle during the pre-match minutes silence, it was an incredible moment, I could feel the tears welling up as I to said a prayer for those relatives and friends who too have passed on. McConnell's large frame was of major benefit in the final outcome and for the second time his actions have been one of the main causes of the outcome of the final.
- Losing the throw in and Tyrone getting a pointed free on the board straight away settled Tyrone from the off and it was a hectic first half from then on, some great hits from both sides when there was no quarter asked or given.
- Darragh O'Se caught some great balls in the first half and that should have provided the platform for us to be further ahead come the break.
- Kerry missed 1st half goal chances by O'Sullivan and Walsh as well as some other bad wides, one in particular from a Tomas O'Se raiding run forward, hindered us badly.
- Dooher's run down the Cusack sideline with 2 Kerrymen thumping off him and his excellent Point afterwards. Score of the year, I was sitting on the Half way line in the upper Cusack and was awestruck by that score, and I have seen some great things in Croke Park over the years. That and the subsequent arrival of O'Neill really got Tyrone going.
- O'Neill Probably on earlier than Harte would have liked but with McCullagh off injured it was probably the right call at the time. Though O'Neill had a limited effect on the game, he was involved in the scrappy goal but missed a poor 45 when it was needed.
- 3 x stupid Yellow Cards to Donaghy, O'Mahony and Darragh O'Se before the tea break whistle meant the Kerry heads were probably gone at that stage and they had not recovered by the restart.
- Half time lead of only a point to Kerry gave great hope to Tyrone as they were chasing the game in the first half and should have been behind by more.
2nd Half
- Hughes' substitution gave Tyrone more presence in the middle where O'Se had dominated most of the first half aerial duels.
- Losing the 2nd half throw-in resulted directly in the goal by Tommy McGuigan, Reidy probably at fault. Took us a long time to claw back that lead.
- The 2 Throw-Ins at the start of either half proved vital to the final score. Small breaks but critical results.
- Darren O'Sullivan created a bit of fear in the Tyrone backs when he did come on for Brosnan but he was not used enough. Brosnan was poor and I think there was too much loyalty shown by Pat O'Shea to his clubman throughout the year.
- Would have sprung maybe Sean O'Sullivan early as well and let the 3 O'Sullivans run at Tyrone, it was the tactic that may have either drawn fouls or for space to be created inside for Donaghy or Cooper.
- Taking off Scanlon and replacing him with Griffin was a poor call I thought, would have taken off Sheehan who was very poor and contributed little, would have left Griffin in Midfield with O'Se and Scanlon when we were chasing the game. We needed Scanlon as a primary ball winner and his known work rate later in the game. Donaghy as a result spent too much time and energy going backwards and forwards from midfield and the full forward line.
- Dooher's 2nd point while selling a great dummy to Killian Young.
- The kicking of the long ball was not working as Gormley was winning a loads of breaks with the McMahons in the second half. Donaghy's influence was very limited as a result.
- Hughes' 3 wides could have been very costly for Tyrone mid way through the second half, but he soldiered on and kicked a good point at the end.
- Great Point by Sean Cavanagh with about 7 mins to go. Had a great game throughout, was a clear winner of man of the match.
- The Tyrone forward subs of Mulligan, Brian McGuigan were a but subdued but later sub Colm Cavanagh added a winning score.
- Paul Galvin was introduced for Tommy Walsh but to little effect with about 10 mins to go and probably too late in the game as well, again was amazed Sheehan was left on for so long as he had fumbled many chances including Missing frees/45's. And Walsh was always liable to win ball inside and create a goal threat, something that Sheehan has never had.
- Declan O'Sullivan's shot blocked by McConnell was the major turning point of the game, it would have given us a 2 point lead heading for the finishing line if he had bulged the net and may have given us the title but it wasn't to be. Excellent save by McConnell though.
- Allowing the resulting 45 to be kicked by Sheehan after he was already called ashore to be subbed was a huge mistake by the Kerry management, I said it to the fellow next to me at the time, Sheehan should have gone off when his name was announced and the 45 taken by Cooper. That miss was devastating for Kerry. Bringing David Moran on with only 3 mins to go was of little benefit either.
- That was our game gone, the goose fucked, plucked and cooked. The Kerry heads dropped at that point and Tyrone swarmed up the field for 2 match winning points by McGinley and Hughes. Well 3 points if you count Murphy's almighty blunder, What was he up to with his short kickout?? But it mattered little in the end.
- And so Tyrone win by 4 and are deserved Champions again.
- It was a great final with scores even I think 9 times, both teams had their chances but Tyrone took theirs when it mattered most and closed out the last few minutes in great style.
- Some achievement by Mickey Harte and his team winning 3 senior All Ireland's.
- The question of Tyrone's greatness is for another day, but they will be all out to retain the title in 2009. That's the benchmark for them now.
- Losing is always painful especially being so close to getting to the mythical 3rd title in a row but we gave it our best shot and it wasn't to be, but we will rise again as the Kingdom always does.
- This Kerry team owes nothing to anyone, 4 All Ireland titles this decade is a huge achievement when we consider how far we had sank in the early and mid 1990's, they have given huge service to the GAA. Winning 1 title is hard, winning two together is extremely difficult and winning 3-in-a-row is nigh on impossible in the current competitive climate with qualifiers and quarter finals , god be with the days like 1980 when just 3 games would bring Sam home.
- Darragh O'Se has mixed the great and the bad all year but will be remembered as one of the great Kerry players of his era if he does finally call it a day this year. Go Raibh maith agut agus maith an fear O'Se.
- Whether Pat O'Shea stays on will be debated until the cows come home in Kerry for the next few months, though at the moment I dont see too many other options, but one thing I think we lacked all year was the physical fitness ajnd mental sharpness that Pat O'Flanagan had brought to the team in 2006.
- The U21's winning this year is a huge bonus for Kerry and like the 1998 winning team will be the nucleus for winning Kerry teams for the next 10 years hopefully.
Tyronies....Take care of our Sam.........he's only on loan.
And for Jaysus sake will ye fecking lift Sam by his handles and don't be ripping the arse off him again, it cost us a fortune in 2006 getting the bottom rim attached to him again due to manhandling.
Well done Tyrone and enjoy the celebrations.
Great post Kerry Mike - we missed you - but you're a real sport !
Good man Kerry Mike and thanks for the nice words on Sunday evening after the match. A true gentleman.
Being a good winner is easy, but being able to take a loss on the chin takes practise and by Jaysus I am getting sick of it ;)
QuoteMcConnell's large frame was of major benefit in the final outcome and for the second time his actions have been one of the main causes of the outcome of the final.
Swine!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 29, 2008, 07:42:53 PM
- The Tyrone forward subs of Mulligan, Brian McGuigan were a but subdued but later sub Colm Cavanagh added a winning score.
Wouldnt agree with that particular point Mike. Look over those last last few crucial minutes again (if you can) and see who is picking up the breaking ball around the middle of the field, holding possesion then making sure Tyrone attack into space, its Brian McGuigan. I was worried when he wasnt started but it turned out to be another great move by Mickey, as he said himself Brian was able to go when things were frenetic and get on the ball and calm things down. Brian is still working his way back from his injuries really, with a bit of luck there could be much more to come from him again next year. Class act and really deserved his All-Ireland given all he has been through.
Lamh Dhearg Alba you were quoted in the Examiner paper on the Sat before the final , I was in it myself on the Friday. I never kept your piece unfortunately as all the pre match papers were fecked in the bin on Monday morning and I had forgot about it until I saw your name.
They just lift a quote or two off different web sites, Dont be waiting for the cheque in the post though as the langer in de Paper (yes you if you are reading) don't send out too much money !!!!
You are probably right about McGuigan's performance as I was only going off my memory, no intention of watching it again thanks. Yes he did deserve his medal he had a tough 2 years.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gooch-confident-kerry-can-regroup-1485845.html
A few photos from around the occasion, that I hadn't had time to post (might take a while to load, depending on your connection bandwidth):
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Great photos Fear :)
Thanks Ziggy, great enjoyment in the taking of them ;)
great shots fear, some more great shots of the day in dublin on the kerry site
http://kerrygaa.proboards14.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1226&page=60
Sláinte mk, a busy snapper there.
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Great photos !
Unbeknown to yourself you got a great pic of a clubman of ziggys there !
You've a sharp eye there Bensars :D
Great photos.
fantastic pictures there lads.
Can anyone scan and post up the free poster ( its about A3) from Gaelic Life ?
The next Kerry manager will want that.....and I am no longer happy for Gormley .
Its good to see that Tyrone's injuries cleared up over the last year and credit must be given to the two Strabane phyios Louis and Peter O'Connor who have been involved with the county panel. Also, what is Peter Quinlivans role within the squad?
Excellent pictures the lot of them!
Who's the girl on the end of the front row team picture outside Citywest?
Quote from: bcarrier on October 01, 2008, 12:23:09 PM
The next Kerry manager will want that.....and I am no longer happy for Gormley .
Was that immediately after the game or after one of the late points?
BTW, some super pictures there
Quote from: heffo on October 01, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
Excellent pictures the lot of them!
Who's the girl on the end of the front row team picture outside Citywest?
Brenda Conlon the team physio
The one immediately after the game where Gormley is celebrating directly over the distraught Kerry captain.
Quote from: bcarrier on October 01, 2008, 04:28:56 PM
The one immediately after the game where Gormley is celebrating directly over the distraught Kerry captain.
Would love to see this, where can I get it?
Quote from: bcarrier on October 01, 2008, 04:28:56 PM
The one immediately after the game where Gormley is celebrating directly over the distraught Kerry captain.
Normally I wouldn't be happy about it, but it's Galvin for Christ sake. After a long suspension, what's the first he does when he gets back? Gets yellow carded!
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This is the best i could get
Probably a fitting end to the year for Galvin (getting dumped on his hole, not the taunting)...
Dont think he was dumped on his hole, think he was just dejected
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This is the best i could get
I must admit as a Tyrone man i was a bit disappointed with Gormleys lack of sportsmanship at the final whistle! You would think that your initial reaction would be to celebrate with your teammates after winning the greatest prize the game has to offer, rather than goading your opponents!!!!
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 01, 2008, 05:07:39 PM
Dont think he was dumped on his hole, think he was just dejected
Nope, he tried to fire a shot at goal whilst avoiding a tackle and got dumped on his hole as the whistle went...
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This is the best i could get
I must admit as a Tyrone man i was a bit disappointed with Gormleys lack of sportsmanship at the final whistle! You would think that your initial reaction would be to celebrate with your teammates after winning the greatest prize the game has to offer, rather than goading your opponents!!!!
Would have to agree with you there 100% amigo
Remember the shutter speeds on modern cameras, what looks at that milisecond like Gormley lording over Galvin may actually have been Gormley on his way up to throw the fists in the air. Would be interesting to see what the following pics taken directly after are like.
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This is the best i could get
Was this def at the Final whistle? If so the Gormley has let himself down.
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This is the best i could get
Was this def at the Final whistle? If so the Gormley has let himself down.
Yes there is a bigger picture of it where you can see all the Tyrone players running celebrating!!!!!!!!!
Heres a link http://www.sportsfile.com/search/321541/
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Wear's an O Neill jersey, plays with an O Neill ball, he's from the O Neill County the one and only Stephen O Neill :) My favorite player
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isnt that Stevie Oneill pic from 2005 final?
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Remember the shutter speeds on modern cameras, what looks at that milisecond like Gormley lording over Galvin may actually have been Gormley on his way up to throw the fists in the air. Would be interesting to see what the following pics taken directly after are like.
I was actually thinking along these lines myself when I saw the picture in Gaelic Life. It obviously looks like he's taunting the Kerryman, and if that's the case then it's not on, period. BUT, if the shot was taken right on the final whistle Gormley could be just expressing his delight to himself ... that said, I'd like to see the video of it, if it was goading, as it looks to be, then I would totally condemn it
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This is the best i could get
I must admit as a Tyrone man i was a bit disappointed with Gormleys lack of sportsmanship at the final whistle! You would think that your initial reaction would be to celebrate with your teammates after winning the greatest prize the game has to offer, rather than goading your opponents!!!!
Tyrone man here also, and thought it was dissapointing,,suprised Gaelic Life made this their cover pic
Would have to agree with you there 100% amigo
Certainly poor form on Gormley's behalf.
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When I first saw this I thought Maurice Deeghan was celebrating. :D
There'd be little defending that kind of carry on at the final whistle. Grace in victory is a must.
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Remember the shutter speeds on modern cameras, what looks at that milisecond like Gormley lording over Galvin may actually have been Gormley on his way up to throw the fists in the air. Would be interesting to see what the following pics taken directly after are like.
At you're clutching at straws there Rois, look at 19 mins in (can also see Galvin getting dumped on his hole) http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil (http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil)
Gormley is on the ground facing away from Galvin, gets up, turns around, stoops down and u can see what happens from there in the pic there, says more than words ever can...
Quote from: Puckoon on October 01, 2008, 05:45:49 PM
There'd be little defending that kind of carry on at the final whistle. Grace in victory is a must.
Poor from indeed. I'd say he is regretting that now.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 01, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
At you're clutching at straws there Rois, look at 19 mins in (can also see Galvin getting dumped on his hole) http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil (http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil)
Gormley is on the ground facing away from Galvin, gets up, turns around, stoops down and u can see what happens from there in the pic there, says more than words ever can...
Ah OK, just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Quote from: Doire abú on October 01, 2008, 06:08:50 PM
link doesn't work.
U need to have realplayer installed. Else use the GAA media player on rte.ie to look at TSG, think u might need realplayer for that as well though...
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This is the best i could get
thats sad to see, but people often do things on the spur of the moment that they wish they hadnt
I personally think that's possibly one of the funniest GAA pictures of all time, and I'm surprised no-one saw that at the final whistle.
I thought that front page was a disgrace. Imagine calling us the Kingdom! Disgraceful.
A picture tells a thousand words... but not necessarily the correct story!
A bit OTT by Gormley but you never know what's said in games. A fitting finalé to Galvin's controversy-ridden season. Paddy Russell will be having the last laugh when he sees it.!
Quote from: ONeill on October 01, 2008, 07:32:48 PM
I thought that front page was a disgrace. Imagine calling us the Kingdom! Disgraceful.
You mean youse Tyrone boys dont aspire to winning dozens of AllIrelands and being revered throughout the footballing world?? ;D
Very poor form by Gormley if thats the case. In fact that sort of behaviour is pretty much as low as it gets.
Always had this Tyrone team down as gracious honest sportsmen in victory and defeat but Gormley has really let himself and his colleagues down by this childish triumphalism.
Quote from: comethekingdom on October 01, 2008, 09:37:35 PM
You mean youse Tyrone boys dont aspire to winning dozens of AllIrelands and being revered throughout the footballing world?? ;D
Kingdoms are things of the past. Like Leprechauns, asking for a pint a porter, penny bubbly, telling the wife to slap on a bit of make up for God's sake, paper hats with Up Down, and Marathons.
Quote from: Yes I Would on October 01, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Very poor form by Gormley if thats the case. In fact that sort of behaviour is pretty much as low as it gets.
Always had this Tyrone team down as gracious honest sportsmen in victory and defeat but Gormley has really let himself and his colleagues down by this childish triumphalism.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 01, 2008, 07:35:13 PM
A picture tells a thousand words... but not necessarily the correct story!
...And rarely the whole story.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 01, 2008, 07:35:13 PM
A picture tells a thousand words... but not necessarily the correct story!
Indeed, player clenches fists in the immediate aftermath of referee blowing his whistle in the All-Ireland final shocker :o. Nobody except Conor Gormley knows whats going through his mind at that point but the enlarged picture shows a load of Tyrone boys reacting immediately after the referee's whistle ( http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321541/ ) and that looks like a lad being overwhelmed by the moment rather than rubbing an opponent's nose in the mud. Fair enough though to those who like a cliche its another example of those evil Tyrone lads ruining things for everybody else. Whatever the truth is the fact is that reprinting the image showing just Gormley and Galvin is misleading in the extreme.
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
Quote from: tyronefan on October 02, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
Spoil sport.
::) :D
QuotePoor from indeed. I'd say he is regretting that now.
I'm sure he is. ;)
Quote from: tyronefan on October 02, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
If you look closely you'll see that that photo was taken after the other one (unless the lads all ran in reverse Harry Hill style), Galvin is just getting back to his feet. Bryan Cullen did the same as Gormley to Declan O'Sullivan last year, least O'Sullivan had the last laugh... Maybe the two lads were having words before, and with Galvin and Gormley involved I'd be surprised if they weren't but no one deserves that on the final whistle...
Quotebut no one deserves that on the final whistle...
what about peter sutcliffe?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 02, 2008, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: tyronefan on October 02, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
If you look closely you'll see that that photo was taken after the other one (unless the lads all ran in reverse Harry Hill style), Galvin is just getting back to his feet. Bryan Cullen did the same as Gormley to Declan O'Sullivan last year, least O'Sullivan had the last laugh... Maybe the two lads were having words before, and with Galvin and Gormley involved I'd be surprised if they weren't but no one deserves that on the final whistle...
You will also notice that conor is still doing it even though galvin is getting up which goes back to my original point that conor is taking no notice of Galvin but only celebrating the win
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 02, 2008, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: tyronefan on October 02, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
If you look closely you'll see that that photo was taken after the other one (unless the lads all ran in reverse Harry Hill style), Galvin is just getting back to his feet. Bryan Cullen did the same as Gormley to Declan O'Sullivan last year, least O'Sullivan had the last laugh... Maybe the two lads were having words before, and with Galvin and Gormley involved I'd be surprised if they weren't but no one deserves that on the final whistle...
You will also notice that conor is still doing it even though galvin is getting up which goes back to my original point that conor is taking no notice of Galvin but only celebrating the win
You need to read all the posts... Posted yesterday...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 01, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: Rois on October 01, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Remember the shutter speeds on modern cameras, what looks at that milisecond like Gormley lording over Galvin may actually have been Gormley on his way up to throw the fists in the air. Would be interesting to see what the following pics taken directly after are like.
At you're clutching at straws there Rois, look at 19 mins in (can also see Galvin getting dumped on his hole) http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil (http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/200-2425181-512-288-t.smil)
Gormley is on the ground facing away from Galvin, gets up, turns around, stoops down and u can see what happens from there in the pic there, says more than words ever can...
Suprised to hear the suprise about Gormley on here. Anyone who saw the game on rte could clearly see Tyrone players taunting Kerry players early in the game after missed efforts, and right before the end.
I thought this behaviour was common knowledge??
But I suppose the comment about not knowing what was said to Gormey sums it all up.
Dont remember too many people after last years Leinster final piping in saying "you dont know what was said to the Dubs beforehand".
Double standards on this board are rife.
I would agree with that, there'd be much more of an outcry if it was a Dub standing over Galvin...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 02, 2008, 01:26:20 PM
I would agree with that, there'd be much more of an outcry if it was a Dub standing over Galvin...
There's definitely be an outcry if a Dub was standing over Galvin on All-Ireland final day. Like, how the feck did the streaker get on the pitch.
Quote from: ONeill on October 02, 2008, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 02, 2008, 01:26:20 PM
I would agree with that, there'd be much more of an outcry if it was a Dub standing over Galvin...
There's definitely be an outcry if a Dub was standing over Galvin on All-Ireland final day. Like, how the feck did the streaker get on the pitch.
That's not fair O'Neill, it could be Pillar helping him to his feet :P Speaking of which I sure he could have gave the Kerry lad a dig out at half time, instead of him having to crawl over to the wall like a one year old trying to stand up...
Quote from: tyronefan on October 02, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
there is another picture on sportsfile that shows conor already starting to clinch his fists even before paul galvin fell at his feet. It looks like he was just celebrating upon hearing the final whistle and was taking no notice of paul galvin
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/321456/5000/
Even a fool could see that from this picture, Galvin clearly launched himself at Gormley's shins, teeth stripped, intending to take home a trophy of Tyrone shin to add to Paddy Russell's fingernails, up on the dresser. On realising his luck, Gormley cleched his fists, thanking God that he finished the game with the same surface area of skin as before. On realising he had missed, Galvin began to suck a sod, so violently that a hissing sound reverberated around the under pitch heating system, scaring off many rodents and some insects.
QuoteI would agree with that, there'd be much more of an outcry if it was a Dub standing over Galvin...
Saying what exactly? "Do ye want fries with that?"
Make jokes about it all ye want, it was a disgusting way for a sportsman to treat another, and there were plenty more similar incidents that day.
But at least they didnt go one further and engage in the dangerous, unsportsmanlike and stupid act of taunting the opposition fans, like they did in the 1/4 final.
Discuss ;)
There does seem to be some uncertainty on how accurate this picture is but I'm not gonna pretend that its highly likely Conor did react like this
Lets face it Conor and Ricey are no angels as we saw from previous games and the way the Kerry fans have stood by Galvin and actually talked him into being some saviour has kinda backfired on themselves.
What other incidents during the game can you highlight HSnbi?
Yeah we all saw the one with Ricey and Bearded Joey but what else are you referring to
In such a high intensity match gaining the psychological edge can make the difference in winning and losing
However I do think if that photo is genuine Conor has really stooped to Galvin's own gutter level & as someone else said you'd imagine you'd turn to your winning colleagues rather than to rub it in to even the most annoying of opponents.
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 02, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
However I do think if that photo is genuine Conor has really stooped to Galvin's own gutter level & as someone else said you'd imagine you'd turn to your winning colleagues rather than to rub it in to even the most annoying of opponents.
:D :D
You Tyrone boys really are something else
Saint Conor & Galvin the big bad wolf
QuoteMake jokes about it all ye want, it was a disgusting way for a sportsman to treat another, and there were plenty more similar incidents that day.
Taunting & goading happens in EVERY championship game without exception. There are some you expect it of as par for the course e.g. McMenamin & Donaghy. Personally I've never done it, nor did I react to it when playing as I found this to the best response. I did however make a point of shaking hands with all other players except the goader, as if they didn't exist when the game was over.
This type of Taunting and goading goes on in all Championship matches as has been said. It helps players unleash aggression in a way that will not see a yellow or red card. The SECOND the final whistle goes there is no place or excuse for this type of unsportmanship.
If the Picture shows what we are percieving it to show then Conor has let himself down IMHO.
It happens in EVERY championship match?????
The why the hullabaloo over the Dubs last year???
Or is it that its just now not such a big deal as its your team at it?
Why is Ricey's name brought into every BS thread? Change the record.
QuoteThis type of Taunting and goading goes on in all Championship matches as has been said. It helps players unleash aggression in a way that will not see a yellow or red card. The SECOND the final whistle goes there is no place or excuse for this type of unsportmanship.
IMO there's no excuse for it either before or after the whistle but it's as much a part of today's game as tees for kick-outs. If you naively think that there is some sort of unwritten code of honour amongst that it stops at the second of the final whistle then you are mistaken.
Theres only a handful of counties who have players who do this regularly.
Dublin are one, Tyrone are another.
Dont try to say they are all at it to make yourselves look less guilty.
Tyrone are worst than most at this, as are the Dubs. I can admit this at least.
its not nice if gormley was taunting galvin but then again galvin is no angel either so as some one said no one knows what was said during the game. i know some posters are giving out about the tyrone lads goading the kerry players during the game but fcuk if it works do it its not nice but players aren't out there to be nice they are out there to win games. To tell you the truth i would much rather the mayo players goaded kerry in the aI Finals and won the game rather than going out just to play football and get the hammerings that we got. at the end of the day gormley has 3 Ai medals in has back pocket . Also as regards ricey he does what he has to do on the pitch i'd say any county in Ireland would want him on their team i know a few lads who met him over in austarlia with the international rules in 2005 they had a few drinks with him and said he was a complete gent.
Quote from: his holiness nb on October 02, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
Theres only a handful of counties who have players who do this regularly.
Dublin are one, Tyrone are another.
Dont try to say they are all at it to make yourselves look less guilty.
Tyrone are worst than most at this, as are the Dubs. I can admit this at least.
Not to appear unkind, but no one cares bout the Dubs right now. No one, seriously.
QuoteTheres only a handful of counties who have players who do this regularly.
bollox. it happens in every championship game, both club & county.
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 02, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
There does seem to be some uncertainty on how accurate this picture is but I'm not gonna pretend that its highly likely Conor did react like this
Lets face it Conor and Ricey are no angels as we saw from previous games and the way the Kerry fans have stood by Galvin and actually talked him into being some saviour has kinda backfired on themselves.
What other incidents during the game can you highlight HSnbi?
Yeah we all saw the one with Ricey and Bearded Joey but what else are you referring to
In such a high intensity match gaining the psychological edge can make the difference in winning and losing
However I do think if that photo is genuine Conor has really stooped to Galvin's own gutter level & as someone else said you'd imagine you'd turn to your winning colleagues rather than to rub it in to even the most annoying of opponents.
what a load of crap, can you not just admit that tyrone are at the same shit as everyone else. (excluding galway/mayo who are just gentlemenn of the highest order) galvins own gutter level? wtf is that? someplace tyrone have never visted
Quote from: Zapatista on October 02, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
Why is Ricey's name brought into every BS thread? Change the record.
McMenamin's name fits 100% with the current topic after his antics against Wexford following a point of his. That's only one example. If McMenamin ever cuts the crap a little the record might be changed.
Quote from: magickingdom on October 02, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
what a load of crap, can you not just admit that tyrone are at the same shit as everyone else. (excluding galway/mayo who are just gentlemenn of the highest order) galvins own gutter level? wtf is that? someplace tyrone have never visted
Donaghy's as bad at the goading and sledging as any player, and if you're going to blame that on his Tyrone blood we'll be claiming his prowess as well ;)
An awful lot of hypocrisy on this thread, over something about which is only a perception, a perception of a moment caught in time as furnished by a fortuitous photograph, with no context to it whatsoever. Get a grip folks.
OK the Gormley incident. I watched the ending now quite a few times and this is what happened. In the last few seconds of injury time Kerry win a free. A wee schomozle breaks out as Kerry want to retrieve the ball quickly. Conor Gormley breaks up the row by grabbing a Tyrone player and throwing him out of the way to calm things down. He also steps in between players to stop anything getting out of hand. Couch takes the free quickly to Galvin who takes a shot on Goal while loosing his balance goes to ground. Gormley dives at full stretch to stop Galvin's shot and he also goes to ground. As he is getting up again the full time whistle blows and he raises his hands in delight with all the rest of the Tyrone players around him. He was not gloating at all. If you don't believe make you can check it out on youtube. Conor Gormley is an innocent man. Anybody who thinks other wise is completely wrong.
Quote from: drici on October 02, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on October 02, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
Couch takes the free quickly to Galvin who takes a shot
Was talking to a fella who said he had an armchair view of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTL4PEdbgI There you are sir!!
Looks like he's celebrating Galvin's missed shot seconds earlier.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on October 02, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
OK the Gormley incident. I watched the ending now quite a few times and this is what happened. In the last few seconds of injury time Kerry win a free. A wee schomozle breaks out as Kerry want to retrieve the ball quickly. Conor Gormley breaks up the row by grabbing a Tyrone player and throwing him out of the way to calm things down. He also steps in between players to stop anything getting out of hand. Couch takes the free quickly to Galvin who takes a shot on Goal while loosing his balance goes to ground. Gormley dives at full stretch to stop Galvin's shot and he also goes to ground. As he is getting up again the full time whistle blows and he raises his hands in delight with all the rest of the Tyrone players around him. He was not gloating at all. If you don't believe make you can check it out on youtube. Conor Gormley is an innocent man. Anybody who thinks other wise is completely wrong.
unbelievable, look at it again. hes actually up but bends down to galvin and you cant see that? cant or wont. its quite obvious what he does but i dont care half as much about that as the refusal of so many posters here to believe their eyes.
Yous are in wasp on notebook territory there lads, the footage speaks for itself, no amount of spin doctoring can change it...
Its a far cry from the images of dara o se and ciaran whelan last year.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2008, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 02, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
what a load of crap, can you not just admit that tyrone are at the same shit as everyone else. (excluding galway/mayo who are just gentlemenn of the highest order) galvins own gutter level? wtf is that? someplace tyrone have never visted
Donaghy's as bad at the goading and sledging as any player, and if you're going to blame that on his Tyrone blood we'll be claiming his prowess as well ;)
An awful lot of hypocrisy on this thread, over something about which is only a perception, a perception of a moment caught in time as furnished by a fortuitous photograph, with no context to it whatsoever. Get a grip folks.
I agree Fear .the context of the photograph needs to be considered . It would be helpull if the publication that published the photo graph provided the background .
Watching it in real time - it really was a millimetre of a second. I'd say nothing was going through Gormley's mind at that time apart from pure elation. A great take by the photographer though.
The constant myopia and failure/unwillingness of some of the Tyrone posters to comment on negative aspects of some of their players always brings a smile to my face...............Im away to bed now before the Gaa Board Tyrone Mafia seek me out.
Quote from: Minder on October 02, 2008, 10:41:24 PM
The constant myopia and failure/unwillingness of some of the Tyrone posters to comment on negative aspects of some of their players always brings a smile to my face...............Im away to bed now before the Gaa Board Tyrone Mafia seek me out.
Too late... Antrim boy ;)
Not so much myopia -- I don't deny that we've some stuff in our locker that is nothing to be proud of, quite the contrary. I'm just not convinced about this at all, and just because we may have some baggage, that doesn't mean that wherever there's doubt it should always go against the Tyrone lad by default. So you say we're myopic; I say it's more that some others are blind in this particular instance, or rather, some see what they want to see, with a complex plot and storyline embellishing their prejudices..
We were first, yet another Tyrone rip off.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/geithals/314471.jpg)
QuoteWe were first, yet another Tyrone rip off.
The worst thing about that one by Dessie Mone this year was when Donaghy was getting up off the ground seconds later Mone shoved his head back into the ground. It happened in front of me in the canel end and I lost the rag, the outlaws with me from Monaghan were none too impressed with my verbals towards Mone.
But its dispicable from any player this type of behaviour, and I will not condone any Kerry player doing it either (Donaghy was wrong for taunting Hearty in 2006 after burying the ball past him), though overall i think we are more sinned than sinner in recent years.
As for Gormley, I will give him the benefit of the doubt in that photo having seen the video, but earlier in the game he was having a right go at Cooper, thankfully Cooper could not understand a word he was saying, in that hard to understand Tyrone brogue ye have.
Not every county does it, Tyrone are probaly the worst for it and Gormley's of the main culprits. Oisin says so too.
QuoteOisin says so too.
Bet your ass he does!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2008, 11:06:27 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 02, 2008, 10:41:24 PM
The constant myopia and failure/unwillingness of some of the Tyrone posters to comment on negative aspects of some of their players always brings a smile to my face...............Im away to bed now before the Gaa Board Tyrone Mafia seek me out.
Too late... Antrim boy ;)
Not so much myopia -- I don't deny that we've some stuff in our locker that is nothing to be proud of, quite the contrary. I'm just not convinced about this at all, and just because we may have some baggage, that doesn't mean that wherever there's doubt it should always go against the Tyrone lad by default. So you say we're myopic; I say it's more that some others are blind in this particular instance, or rather, some see what they want to see, with a complex plot and storyline embellishing their prejudices..
Indeed, quite laughable the way some posters are using what they saw in this particular incident to talk down Tyrone. The picture in Gaelic Life looks terrible but when you see the enlarged image and also see the incident in real time it tells a somewhat different story. As I said earlier only Gormley knows whats going through his mind but it all looks very innocent to me, a joke people are castigating the lad on the back of this. I would doubt any Tyrone fan would pretend our players are angels but this is a non incident in my opinion.
Funny in a way that in the many years in which Tyrone were beaten in big games in Croker we were patronised as being a clean team with nice footballers. When we finally started winning the big games we became cheats and divers. The last couple of years it went away then sure enough as we re-emerged as a force this summer we were once again the bad boys in the eyes of some. Long may it continue ;).
Quote from: magickingdom on October 02, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
what a load of crap, can you not just admit that tyrone are at the same shit as everyone else. (excluding galway/mayo who are just gentlemenn of the highest order) galvins own gutter level? wtf is that? someplace tyrone have never visted
See what they all think of us lads? It's now the duty of every Mayo man, woman and child to punch the face off anyone they see in a Kerry jersey and then abuse the shite out of them when they're on the ground.
It's the only way we'll win an All Ireland
You just see the negatives KM.
Obviously that was one of the times Donaghy went down a bit too easy for Dessie's liking and he gave out (using very mild language) to get him to see the error of his ways.
However, this is a sad example of another abusive fan ::)
QuoteIt happened in front of me in the canel end and I lost the rag, the outlaws with me from Monaghan were none too impressed with my verbals towards Mone.
But its dispicable from any player this type of behaviour,
Late in the game when Donaghy went down (genuinely) with cramp it was the Monaghan defender who cames to his assistance and relieved his distress with some expertly applied physical therapy, an example of real sportsmanship.
Quote from: his holiness nb on October 02, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
Theres only a handful of counties who have players who do this regularly.
Dublin are one, Tyrone are another.
Dont try to say they are all at it to make yourselves look less guilty.
Tyrone are worst than most at this, as are the Dubs. I can admit this at least.
You are a great man for claiming admission of guilt on behalf of the dubs -yet its always with a view to getting others to admit their own wrong doings. Why are you such a one man crusade for parity?
Quote from: AN other on October 02, 2008, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 02, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
Why is Ricey's name brought into every BS thread? Change the record.
McMenamin's name fits 100% with the current topic after his antics against Wexford following a point of his. That's only one example. If McMenamin ever cuts the crap a little the record might be changed.
His record exceeds him. It flatters him above all the others too. Ye are caught up in preconceptions. Why don't ye drag up the thousand other names fit for this topic?
Quote from: stephenite on October 03, 2008, 01:01:04 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 02, 2008, 07:38:32 PM
what a load of crap, can you not just admit that tyrone are at the same shit as everyone else. (excluding galway/mayo who are just gentlemenn of the highest order) galvins own gutter level? wtf is that? someplace tyrone have never visted
See what they all think of us lads? It's now the duty of every Mayo man, woman and child to punch the face off anyone they see in a Kerry jersey and then abuse the shite out of them when they're on the ground.
It's the only way we'll win an All Ireland
agreed stephenite not just a kerry jersey but any jersey as i said in a earier thread i'd rather us be goading the players and winning than playing football and getting the hammerings that we took from kerry.Its ok to think that we play the way the game it should be played but at the end of the day who cares how you play it its all about winning the final when you get there. Actually when you think of it even at club level in mayo its the footballing teams that have been successfull the last few years the likes of ballina , charlestown , ourselves go out to play football we don't have that many in your face type of players think we will have to start a process of breeding these types of players ;) waht i can't figure is how Mk thought galway were gentlemen on the pitch they are the dirtiest feckers around ;) :D
:D EVERY BODY HATES US!!!!!!! ;D :D ;D WE LOVE IT!! ;D :D;D WE SOOO LOVE IT!!! :D
Without a shadow of a doubt the sportsfile photograph clears up the context of the photograph- well done Baile an tuaigh anothetr outstanding post. I felt that the Gaelic Life crew were using it as a potentially controversial cover and poor poster insert knowing full well it would be taken out of context, which is slightly disengenuous to Tyrone. If I wanted to buy a rag for Gaelic coverage I would buy the Star and I dont. I would also ask posters who believed that Gormly was goading a player after the final whistle to leave their own skin for a minute step outside their own commonality, leave their average world behind for a few seconds and ask themselves in their wildest dream if they were ever had the talent, ability and mentality, athleticism to win their thrid all Ireland medal do they honestly believe at the final whistle they would be within a houns goul of thinking of goading anyone... Some times you guys should at least try and get inside the heads of a born winner. Imagine what it feels like to pick up a third celtic cross and then and only then imagine what Conor Gormleys priorities were at the final whistle. Thers a few on here must feel like absolute fools today - their card is indeliblymarked for future debate where credibility may be called into question.
spot on rrhf totally agree
Na na na na na we beat yououuu - was what I was singing and pointing at Kerry fans at the final whistle.
Have to say lads. I was sittin beside Kerry fans for the 05 & 08 finals and after the match when I stopped leaping about like an ape the Kerry lads gave me a handshake and said fair play the better team won.......Very gracious in defeat i thought.
A Kerryman in his 60's/70's beside me said that he had never seen a footballer as good as Cavanagh and that included the Kerry greats. He waxed lyrical about Mick O'Connell and Sean O'Neill and a couple of others I'd never heard of but considered Cavanagh to be better than both and totally unmarkable.
I thought he was talking Tyrone up to be gracious in defeat but then read Jarlath Bursn article in the Gaelic Life where he said big Sean's performance in the final was the best by any player in a final...ever! Big accolades indeed.
When you consider the Dublin team, nicknamed "The 12 Apostles", were paraded out before the match for the 25th anniversary of their win over Galway,
what Conor Gormley did at the final whistle is childs play!
Do you think anyone will remember it when he steps onto Croke Park on All Ireland Final day in 2033 for the 25th anniversary? (and 2028 & 2030 as well).
Looking forward to it..................
Quote from: rrhf on October 03, 2008, 10:02:47 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt the sportsfile photograph clears up the context of the photograph- well done Baile an tuaigh anothetr outstanding post. I felt that the Gaelic Life crew were using it as a potentially controversial cover and poor poster insert knowing full well it would be taken out of context, which is slightly disengenuous to Tyrone. If I wanted to buy a rag for Gaelic coverage I would buy the Star and I dont. I would also ask posters who believed that Gormly was goading a player after the final whistle to leave their own skin for a minute step outside their own commonality, leave their average world behind for a few seconds and ask themselves in their wildest dream if they were ever had the talent, ability and mentality, athleticism to win their thrid all Ireland medal do they honestly believe at the final whistle they would be within a houns goul of thinking of goading anyone... Some times you guys should at least try and get inside the heads of a born winner. Imagine what it feels like to pick up a third celtic cross and then and only then imagine what Conor Gormleys priorities were at the final whistle. Thers a few on here must feel like absolute fools today - their card is indeliblymarked for future debate where credibility may be called into question.
:-\ WALOOR.
Quote from: give her dixie on October 03, 2008, 10:51:59 AM
When you consider the Dublin team, nicknamed "The 12 Apostles", were paraded out before the match for the 25th anniversary of their win over Galway,
what Conor Gormley did at the final whistle is childs play!
Do you think anyone will remember it when he steps onto Croke Park on All Ireland Final day in 2033 for the 25th anniversary? (and 2028 & 2030 as well).
Looking forward to it..................
I always thought that Dublin team were known as "The Dirty Dozen" rather than "The 12 Apostles".
Quote from: Puckoon on October 03, 2008, 04:42:40 AM
You are a great man for claiming admission of guilt on behalf of the dubs -yet its always with a view to getting others to admit their own wrong doings. Why are you such a one man crusade for parity?
Just getting there ahead of ye. It goes like this, I say Tyrone did wrong, ye say "sure the Dubs did too" I say "I know they did but Tyrone still did wrong", all condensed into one post to save ye the hassle.
And I dont want parity, for taunting and goading etc, Tyrone have been much worse this year. Why would I want parity??
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 03, 2008, 10:32:17 AM
A Kerryman in his 60's/70's beside me said that he had never seen a footballer as good as Cavanagh and that included the Kerry greats. He waxed lyrical about Mick O'Connell and Sean O'Neill and a couple of others I'd never heard of but considered Cavanagh to be better than both and totally unmarkable.
I thought he was talking Tyrone up to be gracious in defeat but then read Jarlath Bursn article in the Gaelic Life where he said big Sean's performance in the final was the best by any player in a final...ever! Big accolades indeed.
You wouldn't want to pay too much attention to anything a Kerryman says..
Over the bars excellent post highlights the dangers of appreciating the past more than the present. It is only too right to appreciate that we are now in an era where Gaelic Football is more competitive, more skillful, more tactical and has less thuggery in it than in previous generations. After 124 the game of Gaelic football has evolved more in the past 6 years than in the previous 118. Yes there will be bad games but in general the signs are that it is a better game than that of previous eras. Now evolving the game is one thing but is reality any sport is about the teams and the individuals playing it. I have no doubt that this Tyrone team would have some better individuals than the Kerry team of the 70s and the Kerry team of the 70s would have some better individuals than the current Tyrone team. What Spillane and the puke journalists need to realise and respect is the current game is the opnly game and the teams and individuals that play it are the only show in town. If they do not see this and hanker back to the past some 30 years ago now well then they haver no business presenting a modern day GAA television programme. Put them into a nursing home with the rest of their era and let them crow all day to each other about the rare auld times. The greats that I witnessed in my lifetime have been, Canavan Cavanagh, Dooher, Dara O Se, Tohill, Jack O Shea, Spillane, Linden, Fitzgerald, Blaney, Brolly, Scullion, Mc Dermott, Mc Geeney, O Neill, Mc Cartan in pretty much that order. I can appreciate the old and the newly rich.
Brolly ?
definitely brolly! david beggy van be added there alongside keith barr and s.og de paor
I too thought Brolly was a surprise inclusion
There were much better footballers than Brolly including Paddy Bradley from the current team
I must say here in Dublin I've got nothing but praise and admiration from everyone I've met regarding Tyrone's victory
Nearly all neutrals were glad that we beat Kerry as many deem us as the only county capable of beating them in the current climate.
For anyone to pick holes over the victory is either just sh*t stirring or jealous and in fairness to most Kingdom fans they have taken their defeat on the chin
Compare the attitude of the Mayo poster on the last few pages to the of the Rossie fan a few weeks back where he said I'd much rather have a team with a few rough nuts and 3 AI medals than a nicey nicey team that constantly genuflect to the High priests of the Kingdom.
Still.
The Future looks good
(http://www.cng.ie/Gallery/McKenna.JPG)
Jaysus, that's some auld jump there! ;D
Is it McKenna or Harte? I think McKenna with Harte in the background?
Quote from: Gaaman on October 03, 2008, 10:28:55 AM
Have to say lads. I was sittin beside Kerry fans for the 05 & 08 finals and after the match when I stopped leaping about like an ape the Kerry lads gave me a handshake and said fair play the better team won.......Very gracious in defeat i thought.
The Kerry fans around me were an absoluate torture in 2005 after the game, but they were the best you could have met in 2008. Very gracious in defeat and I couldn't speak more highly of them.
That's Niall McKenna. Peter Harte isn't that skinny. Niall will be awesome when he fills out a bit.
You can see in that photo what he got off his father - he is still the best man i ever saw leap for the ball. He just seemed to hang in the air. I remember being up at a national league match in Newcastle in the mid 80's. Eugene took out in the last ten minutes and caught absolutely everything. I spoke to Liam Grugan (about 6 ft 2) that night who was playing midfield for Tyrone that day and asked him about eugene. He told me that he went up for a ball from a kick out and felt a knee on his shoulder. That was McKenna! The other unbelievable thing that day was that Audie Hamilton scored 2 goals for Tyrone! ;D ;D
Quote from: under the bar on October 03, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
That's Niall McKenna. Peter Harte isn't that skinny. Niall will be awesome when he fills out a bit.
Lot of people were confusing them two lads at the game. I wonder was the photo the one were McKenna had the awkward fall after going up, there was one that looked like he'd hurt himself?
Quote from: rrhf on October 03, 2008, 10:02:47 AM
Without a shadow of a doubt the sportsfile photograph clears up the context of the photograph- well done Baile an tuaigh anothetr outstanding post. I felt that the Gaelic Life crew were using it as a potentially controversial cover and poor poster insert knowing full well it would be taken out of context, which is slightly disengenuous to Tyrone. If I wanted to buy a rag for Gaelic coverage I would buy the Star and I dont. I would also ask posters who believed that Gormly was goading a player after the final whistle to leave their own skin for a minute step outside their own commonality, leave their average world behind for a few seconds and ask themselves in their wildest dream if they were ever had the talent, ability and mentality, athleticism to win their thrid all Ireland medal do they honestly believe at the final whistle they would be within a houns goul of thinking of goading anyone... Some times you guys should at least try and get inside the heads of a born winner. Imagine what it feels like to pick up a third celtic cross and then and only then imagine what Conor Gormleys priorities were at the final whistle. Thers a few on here must feel like absolute fools today - their card is indeliblymarked for future debate where credibility may be called into question.
excellent, the board now has a resident mind reader ;)
Quote from: Gaaman on October 03, 2008, 10:28:55 AM
Have to say lads. I was sittin beside Kerry fans for the 05 & 08 finals and after the match when I stopped leaping about like an ape the Kerry lads gave me a handshake and said fair play the better team won.......Very gracious in defeat i thought.
said something similar to the tyrone crowd around me, they were great craic as i said in earlier posts
A five-star Belfast hotel is being sued over claims it refused to show last month's All-Ireland football final on television.
Damages are being sought from the Hilton Hotel following allegations that staff told customers the Tyrone-Kerry match would not be screened.
Brian Corey, a GAA fan from the Ormeau Road in Belfast, claims the refusal to show the match was an affront to his dignity and national identity.
His solicitor has now gone to court seeking damages, claiming a breach of the law covering services provided by hotels.
The Hilton has rejected any suggestion of discrimination.
A spokeswoman said they were unable to show the All-Ireland final as they were already screening a football match between Chelsea and Manchester United.
She said this was linked to a food and beverage promotion in the hotel, which a number of guests were enjoying at the time.
Sourced RTE.ie: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html)
A few (worthless) observations about our ultimate triumph in this year :-
- I have a distinct sense of unfinished business, despite the obvious effort and elation of having claimed the big prize for 2008; but distinctly more than in 2003 or 2005, there's a real sense of more work to be done, i.e., a successful defence. Such is the measure of our advancement that one-in-a-row, whilst magnificent, is no longer something that can't be improved upon. Gazes are firmly fixed on 2009!
- Kerry folk, in general, have been much more receptive of our victory this year, and go raibh míle maith acu. It took us three wins, however, to go from new-kid-on-the-block arrivistes, to 'lucky' winners, to fully deserving winners; still, to have arrived at all is something special, especially with the established masters. Acquaintances will be renewed no doubt.
- The southern media are still at their small-minded curmudgeonly little nit-picking pieces best - witness Seán Moran's piece in the Irish Times on the Wednesday after the final; pitiful, that a journo of such otherwise renowned repute has to stoop so low; his choice, and as his standard lowers so will my opinion of him. Shame. Brolly was right last week: in the two weeks leading up to the final, the game was billed (in the southern printed media) as a winner takes all, but once Tyrone had prevailed, all yet remained to be decided, since there was still one year left in the decade: either crap journalism or a crap sense of the calendar.
Still, I'm not bitter, quite the reverse in fact :D
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2008, 09:06:37 PM
A five-star Belfast hotel is being sued over claims it refused to show last month's All-Ireland football final on television.
Damages are being sought from the Hilton Hotel following allegations that staff told customers the Tyrone-Kerry match would not be screened.
Brian Corey, a GAA fan from the Ormeau Road in Belfast, claims the refusal to show the match was an affront to his dignity and national identity.
His solicitor has now gone to court seeking damages, claiming a breach of the law covering services provided by hotels.
The Hilton has rejected any suggestion of discrimination.
A spokeswoman said they were unable to show the All-Ireland final as they were already screening a football match between Chelsea and Manchester United.
She said this was linked to a food and beverage promotion in the hotel, which a number of guests were enjoying at the time.
Sourced RTE.ie: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html)
Fair play to him !!!!!!!!!!!! Chelsea ?????? Who are they ???
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
A few (worthless) observations about our ultimate triumph in this year :-
- I have a distinct sense of unfinished business, despite the obvious effort and elation of having claimed the big prize for 2008; but distinctly more than in 2003 or 2005, there's a real sense of more work to be done, i.e., a successful defence. Such is the measure of our advancement that one-in-a-row, whilst magnificent, is no longer something that can't be improved upon. Gazes are firmly fixed on 2009!
- Kerry folk, in general, have been much more receptive of our victory this year, and go raibh míle maith agaibh. It took us three wins, however, to go from new-kid-on-the-block arrivistes, to 'lucky' winners, to fully deserving winners; still, to have arrived at all is something special, especially with the established masters. Acquaintances will be renewed no doubt.
- The southern media are still at their small-minded curmudgeonly little nit-picking pieces best - witness Seán Moran's piece in the Irish Times on the Wednesday after the final; pitifiul, that a journo of such otherwise renowned repute has to stoop so low; his choice, and as his standard lowers so will my opinion of him. Shame. Brolly was right last week: in the two weeks leading up to the final, the game was billed (in the southern printed media) as a winner takes all, but once Tyrone had prevailed, all yet remained to be decided, since there was still one year left in the decade: either crap journalism or a crap sense of the calendar.
Still, I'm not bitter, quite the reverse in fact :D
Kerry folk buy more papers than the Northerners put together I'd say ??? As simple a reason as that ??
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2008, 09:06:37 PM
A five-star Belfast hotel is being sued over claims it refused to show last month's All-Ireland football final on television.
Damages are being sought from the Hilton Hotel following allegations that staff told customers the Tyrone-Kerry match would not be screened.
Brian Corey, a GAA fan from the Ormeau Road in Belfast, claims the refusal to show the match was an affront to his dignity and national identity.
His solicitor has now gone to court seeking damages, claiming a breach of the law covering services provided by hotels.
The Hilton has rejected any suggestion of discrimination.
A spokeswoman said they were unable to show the All-Ireland final as they were already screening a football match between Chelsea and Manchester United.
She said this was linked to a food and beverage promotion in the hotel, which a number of guests were enjoying at the time.
Sourced RTE.ie: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1003/gaa.html)
If it was a gypsy making a claim would we be saying "fair play", the fella should get a life.........
If I was him Minder, I would have went to another pub. I'm sure there were one or two in Belfast showing it ;)
Christ, if he was that stuck, he could have went round to hardstation's.
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
If I was him Minder, I would have went to another pub. I'm sure there were one or two in Belfast showing it ;)
Aye, but he misses his best mate, even though he ran off with his wife! :o
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
If I was him Minder, I would have went to another pub. I'm sure there were one or two in Belfast showing it ;)
Aye, but he misses his best mate, even though he ran off with his wife! :o
I actually missed most of the final (more a hurling man) as my wee girl wouldnt let me watch it...... :P
Quote from: Minder on October 03, 2008, 09:37:45 PM
I actually missed most of the final (more a hurling man) as my wee girl wouldnt let me watch it...... :P
And what did you tell your wee girl about her mother? ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 03, 2008, 09:37:45 PM
I actually missed most of the final (more a hurling man) as my wee girl wouldnt let me watch it...... :P
And what did you tell your wee girl about her mother? ;)
That she ran away with the circus 8)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
The southern media are still at their small-minded curmudgeonly little nit-picking pieces best - witness Seán Moran's piece in the Irish Times on the Wednesday after the final; pitiful, that a journo of such otherwise renowned repute has to stoop so low; his choice, and as his standard lowers so will my opinion of him. Shame.
Nothing new there. The Old Lady of D'Olier Street treated Meath's loss to Down in the 1991 All Ireland Final as something of a minor tragedy, on a par perhaps with an embarrassing defeat for an Irish soccer or rugby side. "Joy and Sadness as Down Triumph" was the headline above Paddy Downey's match report, which went to painful lengths to bemoan the fact that the Leinster champions fell at the last fence after a ten-game campaign. Worth looking up the next time you have time to spare in the library.
Jesus thats some leap from young mckenna......He feet must be a good 5ft off the ground
Anyone picking out The Gormley photo out has a chip on their shoulder. As for the bit of slaggun, Trash talking has always occurred in field sports-if you want a gentleman's sport, away and watch chess or tennis or something. I haven't yet heard a complaint from the moral high-grounders on this board about the several high challenges made by Kerry players during the final, some worthy of red cards. Don't play a part in turning our passion-filled games into a sterile, stagnant pond!
I must say I'm disgusted by some sections of the media in the south. They seem to have went out of their way to find holes in Tyrones win and dont want to accept that the better team with the better players won this years All Ireland. Every time a team from Ulster wins the All Ireland this happens. Also no doubt there'll be suggestions on rule changes to change the game. In the early 90's it was handpassing that they blamed for some of the ulster victories- remember the rule they got brought in were you could only handpass the ball twice before the ball had to be kicked. Since 2002 there have been complaints about blanket defence, there have been calls to introduce the mark, 1 yellow card and your off, too much handpassing again etc.
Believe it or not there is an even better photograph although very similar of Mc Kenna jumping in the match and hes about a foot higher as printed in the Tyrone Herald last Monday.
the word "thoroughbred" describes him best I think...
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 03, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
I too thought Brolly was a surprise inclusion
There were much better footballers than Brolly including Paddy Bradley from the current team
I must say here in Dublin I've got nothing but praise and admiration from everyone I've met regarding Tyrone's victory
Nearly all neutrals were glad that we beat Kerry as many deem us as the only county capable of beating them in the current climate.
For anyone to pick holes over the victory is either just sh*t stirring or jealous and in fairness to most Kingdom fans they have taken their defeat on the chin
Compare the attitude of the Mayo poster on the last few pages to the of the Rossie fan a few weeks back where he said I'd much rather have a team with a few rough nuts and 3 AI medals than a nicey nicey team that constantly genuflect to the High priests of the Kingdom.
Still.
The Future looks good
(http://www.cng.ie/Gallery/McKenna.JPG)
Thts some leap by young mc kenna then again he was assisted with the the red hand of ulster preventing Aidan oShea take off ;)
Look at no 12 keenly awaiting the break ball naw wait a minute hes being held as well...
go on out of that rrhf sure the mayo boy doesn't have his had around his neck half strangling the poor lad he is just resting his elbow on his shoulder ;)
What odds these two guys come up against each other in a senior AIF in about 5 years.
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
What odds these two guys come up against each other in a senior AIF in about 5 years.
Slim to none I'd say.
and why so oh wise one?
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2008, 11:32:59 AM
and why so oh wise one?
i'd say zap is discounting our chances rrhf
It's not that. The probability is to small. Neither teams have ever meet in final, not all minors become seniors, 5 years is not a long time etc. Just think it's a big bet. And what deel said ;)
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2008, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
A few (worthless) observations about our ultimate triumph in this year :-
- I have a distinct sense of unfinished business, despite the obvious effort and elation of having claimed the big prize for 2008; but distinctly more than in 2003 or 2005, there's a real sense of more work to be done, i.e., a successful defence. Such is the measure of our advancement that one-in-a-row, whilst magnificent, is no longer something that can't be improved upon. Gazes are firmly fixed on 2009!
- Kerry folk, in general, have been much more receptive of our victory this year, and go raibh míle maith agaibh. It took us three wins, however, to go from new-kid-on-the-block arrivistes, to 'lucky' winners, to fully deserving winners; still, to have arrived at all is something special, especially with the established masters. Acquaintances will be renewed no doubt.
- The southern media are still at their small-minded curmudgeonly little nit-picking pieces best - witness Seán Moran's piece in the Irish Times on the Wednesday after the final; pitifiul, that a journo of such otherwise renowned repute has to stoop so low; his choice, and as his standard lowers so will my opinion of him. Shame. Brolly was right last week: in the two weeks leading up to the final, the game was billed (in the southern printed media) as a winner takes all, but once Tyrone had prevailed, all yet remained to be decided, since there was still one year left in the decade: either crap journalism or a crap sense of the calendar.
Still, I'm not bitter, quite the reverse in fact :D
Kerry folk buy more papers than the Northerners put together I'd say ??? As simple a reason as that ??
yes indeed Orange man . I pay less and less attention to most journalists .
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on October 02, 2008, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: drici on October 02, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on October 02, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
Couch takes the free quickly to Galvin who takes a shot
Was talking to a fella who said he had an armchair view of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkTL4PEdbgI There you are sir!!
Just watched that part of the match for the first time .after the save there was only one winner
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: Gaaman on October 03, 2008, 10:28:55 AM
Have to say lads. I was sittin beside Kerry fans for the 05 & 08 finals and after the match when I stopped leaping about like an ape the Kerry lads gave me a handshake and said fair play the better team won.......Very gracious in defeat i thought.
The Kerry fans around me were an absoluate torture in 2005 after the game, but they were the best you could have met in 2008. Very gracious in defeat and I couldn't speak more highly of them.
Have to say that any of the kerry fans that i met were also very gracious in victory as well especially in 2006 i remember sitting besides a kerry man before the 2006 Ai and he wished us luck saying that he wouldn't begrudge us the Ai if we won it, after the match he just said yerra ye will be back again keep the heads up there was no rubbing salt into the wounds from him met many like him that day ( fcuk it it seems like yesterday and the feeling only gets worse i'm away for a few pints to console meself)
I'd have thought they saved money big time with Kerry being beaten?
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(Tribune)
Bookies cleaned out as Tyrone fans cash in on All Ireland
Terry McLaughlin
It was always going to be an exercise in adding the odds up both for and against as far as Tyrone's championship dreams were concerned this year.
But in Mickey Harte's eyes. turning that dream into reality was always going to be on the cards.
And it's now emerged that the ability of Tyrone's football teams to clean up on the pitch has been matched by the county's punters off it.
Bookmaking industry sources have told the Sunday Tribune that the successful combination of gambles on both Tyrone's senior and minor squads represented the largest ever volume of bets laid in Northern Ireland on Gaelic games.
Overall the conservative estimate for the payout from bookies to Tyrone's loyal supporters within the county alone has been put at upwards of £2million (€2.6m).
And the victory of Tyrone's minor football team against Mayo eight days ago has left one Dungannon based tipster wealthier by a tax-free £75,000.
The individual, who has had strong connections with Tyrone's sponsor's Rocwell Water, backed a county double with a single stake of £1,000 at odds of 75-1 two days after the senior team departed the Ulster campaign.
To make the collection of his winnings even sweeter, the bet was laid with Newry-based Hughes' Bookmakers who provide financial backing for the opponents that day, Down.
Company partner Greg Hughes confirmed that the family-owned chain, which operates 16 outlets across Northern Ireland, including three in Tyrone had "suffered a severe hit."
"We are still counting the cost. But it would be fair to say that there will be no change from at least £200,000 in terms of our losses alone.
"When you add in the other firms as well as the various kinds of internet betting that was going on in relation to Tyrone, it's not hard to see how the losses mounted up across the country. It was an afternoon that we wouldn't want to see happen again.
"You have to say fair play to the guy who was able to take the 75 grand from us. You win some and lose some. There were many others that were willing to make more modest investments at the same odds.
"But it does emphasise that when it comes to backing their team the Tyrone supporters don't just act on the basis of blind faith. They are not afraid to make a financial commitment to back the county."
"Tyrone collecting the double was a result we had been dreading. Initially we felt that the prospects of it happening were pretty remote. That's why we, along with most other bookies were prepared to lengthen the odds for the senior team coming back from being beaten by Down.
"It didn't put off the Tyrone punters. The money gambled was well in advance of their first All Ireland win back in 2003 and then in 2005," explained Hughes.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 03, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
A few (worthless) observations about our ultimate triumph in this year :-
- I have a distinct sense of unfinished business, despite the obvious effort and elation of having claimed the big prize for 2008; but distinctly more than in 2003 or 2005, there's a real sense of more work to be done, i.e., a successful defence. Such is the measure of our advancement that one-in-a-row, whilst magnificent, is no longer something that can't be improved upon. Gazes are firmly fixed on 2009!
- Kerry folk, in general, have been much more receptive of our victory this year, and go raibh míle maith acu. It took us three wins, however, to go from new-kid-on-the-block arrivistes, to 'lucky' winners, to fully deserving winners; still, to have arrived at all is something special, especially with the established masters. Acquaintances will be renewed no doubt.
- The southern media are still at their small-minded curmudgeonly little nit-picking pieces best - witness Seán Moran's piece in the Irish Times on the Wednesday after the final; pitiful, that a journo of such otherwise renowned repute has to stoop so low; his choice, and as his standard lowers so will my opinion of him. Shame. Brolly was right last week: in the two weeks leading up to the final, the game was billed (in the southern printed media) as a winner takes all, but once Tyrone had prevailed, all yet remained to be decided, since there was still one year left in the decade: either crap journalism or a crap sense of the calendar.
Still, I'm not bitter, quite the reverse in fact :D
well said there fear. if kerry had won 3 in a row the achievement would have been immense and if tyrone defend next year it will be a hell of an achievement. i bet micky harte wants back to back ai big time. as for the media build up all they want is an angle to hype up, if kerry had won the team of the decade was over but now they can play that up next year.
Does anyone know if yer man from Georgia made it over?
QuoteDoes anyone know if yer man from Georgia made it over?
Don't know but O'Neills sent him a collection of jersies by all accounts.
Quotebacked a county double with a single stake of £1,000 at odds of 75-1
75-1 doesn't seem great odds for a straight double, you could get 33-1 on the senior win, what we the odds on the minors after the first round, no less than 4-1 I imagine.
I heard this story in May and understand that the bet was laid before a ball was kicked. Tyrone were 10-1 then and the minors prob 15/2.
Quote from: ONeill on October 06, 2008, 12:20:46 PM
Does anyone know if yer man from Georgia made it over?
Kerry representatives in the foreign affairs department blocked his visa application - they complained that Tyrone had enough foriegn support ! ;) ;)
cute moy hoors ;D ;D ;D
Took this from The Kerryman :
Kerry management made serious errors of judgement
Wednesday October 01 2008
THE fallout from losing a third All Ireland final to Tyrone in six years hit home last week as Kerry supporters surveyed the wreckage of a damaging defeat in which the reigning champions were outsmarted and outmanoeuvred both on and of the field.
So many things went wrong that it is difficult to pinpoint why Pat O'Shea's men, with so much at stake, contrived to play what was arguably their poorest football of the whole year (excluding the league final against Derry and the Munster final defeat by Cork). Three defeats in major finals in one year is bad enough, but when the most calamitous failure comes on the biggest day of all before a sellout crowd in Croke Park there is justifiable bewilderment.
With so many top players under-achieving it was, perhaps, understandable that supporters would find it hard to deal with a situation that was so untypical of Kerry in an All Ireland final. Being beaten so comprehensively in the end hasn't been the only shock.
There were also some poor decisions by management that have compounded the overall disappointment. All of this is perfectly understandable. Kerry supporters demand high standards and they are entitled to expect only the very best on a day when everything is on the line. They didn't get that nor anything remotely near it.
Tyrone's claustrophobic gameplan undoubtedly contributed to what unfolded. Kerry didn't play poorly just by accident; they were presssurised into making numerous mistakes. By now, Mickey Harte is an exhaustive student of Kerry football, which he knows like the back of his hand. Consequently, there is nothing that would have spooked him in terms of tactical innovation.
Harte is a top-class practitioner who would have guessed correctly that the opposition had nothing new in their armoury – which they hadn't. Any fool could have told him how important it was to eliminate the threat of Cooper, Donaghy and Walsh who had signalled their devastating potential well in advance. Equally important, he would have to ensure that pressure was exerted on outfield players in a way that allowed little quality ball being directed into this area. Some of these pressure tactics included obstructionist fouling that mostly went unpunished by the referee.
By moving the tenacious and destructive Conor Gormley to left full-back Harte was clearly intent on presenting Colm Cooper with his biggest test to date. The two McMahons, mostly unrated up to now, were handed the mammoth task of defusing two of Kerry's key players, Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh. When Kerry's front line of attack wasn't functioning and with several fouls being ignored by the referee Tyrone were on their way.
By his own high standards, Kieran Donaghy had a complete off-day with little going right for him. From the start his normal animation appeared to have gone missing and he looked completely out of sorts with himself. In any event it came as a huge surprise to see him being marked out of it. Obviously, his recent injury must have been a factor. He had done little training and for whatever reason wasn't even a shadow of the great player we know him to be.
The Kerry selectors made their first blunder of the day when deciding late in the first half to bring Donaghy outfield to play as a third midfielder. This suited Tyrone down to the ground because it took the opposition's main play-maker away from his normal domain and brought him into an area where he made no impression. Secondly, it clogged up a sector where Kerry were already marginally on top. Absolutely nothing was gained from that experiment.
Tommy Walsh filled the vacant space in front of goal but was getting nothing off his marker. After an early knock the Kerins O'Rahilly's man became a peripheral figure although he did have one half-chance of scoring what would have been a vital goal.
Walsh is a midfielder by inclination and when he blasted the ball against the advancing goalkeeper he did what most outfield players in his situation would have done. Had he chosen to jink the keeper his physical strength would have given him a chance of putting the ball in the net. Alternatively, he might posssibly have been fouled for a penalty.
Colm Cooper was Kerry's lone scoring threat in attack with Declan O'Sullivan foraging deep in defence where he did some great work. He also contributed spasmodically up front and his late goal attempt (had it come off) might have saved the day. With Eoin Brosnan and Bryan Sheehan ineffective on the wings, Kerry's attacking threat was minimal throughout.
Keeping Darran O'Sullivan under wraps for the whole season was a mistake. The Glenbeigh/Glencar clubman is a forward of real quality having proved himself repeatedly when coming on as a sub over the past few years. During the league campaign earlier this year he was among the top five players on the team. The question must arise therefore: Why has he been held in reserve when he should have become a first-choice regular long before now? To deny him that opportunity is not just ill-advised, it is morally wrong and unjustifiable.
Similarly in the case of Tommy Griffin whose exclusion was mind-boggling. After performing so well in both games against Cork the Dingle publican appeared to have done everybody a big favour by sorting out the notoriously troublesome full-back position. That was the presumption, but things turned out very differently. To the absolute bafflement of supporters Griffin was dropped for the next game, the All Ireland final! Making a wrong call in the heat of a big game is an occupational hazard, but when a decision is made in the cold light of day that flies in the face of reason it is hard to acccept.
Paul Galvin's introduction on the 58th minute came far too late. If he was to play a meaningful role he should have been brought on much earlier and allow him, say 10 minutes, to adjust to the pace of the game. Admittedly, he didn't look right after coming on but, given more time, he might have made some kind of impact.
In fairness, the selectors did make some good moves during the year. The introduction of Tommy Walsh in mid-season was a master-stroke while the bold and adventurous step of trying to convert Griffin into a full-back was working until the blueprint was discarded. Micheal Quirke was a success in the replay against Cork. Similarly, the late arrival of David Moran that day reaped rich dividends. This begs the question though: Why have we seen so little of him?
Tyrone have won three All Irelands with a mixture of some very good and some very ordinary players. Their success does not rest with brilliant individual talent. At least five of the side that beat Kerry on September 21 would struggle to make the Tralee John Mitchels' side of the 1960s. Kerry have far better quality, but it is not paying off.
Why this is happening is something that must be addressed before the future can even be considered.
**Just checked on wikipedia and they won 5 championships so they must have been some team. The question is what five couldn't have made it - since it was the 'catch and kick' days who out of the tyrone team would fall down on the old mano-mano style of football
Tyrone have won three All Irelands with a mixture of some very good and some very ordinary players. Their success does not rest with brilliant individual talent.
Don't think you could argue too much with that. Ordinary mightn't be the right word. They're all good players mixed with some exceptional talent.
Quote from: orangeman on October 09, 2008, 12:57:56 PM
Tyrone have won three All Irelands with a mixture of some very good and some very ordinary players. Their success does not rest with brilliant individual talent.
Don't think you could argue too much with that. Ordinary mightn't be the right word. They're all good players mixed with some exceptional talent.
Better not forget the exceptional manager as well ! ;)
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 09, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
THE fallout from losing a third All Ireland final to Tyrone in six years hit home last week as Kerry supporters surveyed the wreckage of a damaging defeat in which the reigning champions were outsmarted and outmanoeuvred both on and of the field.
Only won two All-Ireland Finals against Kerry....
Just read the Kerryman article - I would love to know which 5 too. If there were 5 from the Tyrone side unable to make it, how many from the Kerry side would there be? This craic about Tyrone having less individually talented players than Kerry really makes me laugh - yes, Tyrone played extremely efficiently this summer as a unit, but this craic about Kerry having the better individuals is crap. If this was the case, then why have they been beaten by Tyrone on each major occasion of recent years? Yes, management and tactics are important but it takes footballers to put the ball over the bar or in the net, and this Tyrone team must surely have one of the highest percentage rates of scores from play of any All Ireland winning side in a while. Kerry are the kingpins of Gaelic football, but alot of their current players have built somewhat exaggerated reputations based on games against (no disrespect meant) the Clares/Limericks/Waterfords of this world and an annual trilogy with Cork. As Fear previously mentioned, look at the number of All Ireland titles at all grades these Tyrone players have in comparison to their Kerry counterparts - the medal count doesn't lie.
Tyrone have won three All Irelands with a mixture of some very good and some very ordinary players. Their success does not rest with brilliant individual talent. At least five of the side that beat Kerry on September 21 would struggle to make the Tralee John Mitchels' side of the 1960s. Kerry have far better quality, but it is not paying off.
Jody Gormley in GL a couple of weeks ago quoted Chris Lawn at 4 00 in the morning as saying
..they just will never get it...
As long as the Kerrymen still believe they have the better footballers we will keep handing them their asses in croke Park. Keep believing folks - its fun to watch.
So long as Kerry people/press continue to insist that they are the better team, they will continue to look for other reasons why Tyrone beat them, tactics, dirty play etc. It will all come home to roost on the scapegoat manager. Mickey Harte has already seen two fine Kerry managers off into retirement and rest assured Pat O'Shea will be next.
How quickly the vintage wine has soured to vinegar down the Kingdom way ;)
Some hacks simply believe that a brilliant footballer is one who has just stepped out of a book: Big brown tanned legs; galloping strides and a green/gold geansai on his spine. What's a great footballer? Someone who executes the skills of the game with the fewest mistakes and is consistantly a major player in the game. Preferably two-footed in the solo and shot selection. Someone who intelligently uses the ball by hand and foot and also uses the grey matter when not in possession. Someone who'll condition his body to compete at the highest level. Put all that in a big cauldron and you'll find the majority of that Tyrone starting 15 in it.
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
Some hacks simply believe that a brilliant footballer is one who has just stepped out of a book: Big brown tanned legs; galloping strides and a green/gold geansai on his spine. What's a great footballer? Someone who executes the skills of the game with the fewest mistakes and is consistantly a major player in the game. Preferably two-footed in the solo and shot selection. Someone who intelligently uses the ball by hand and foot and also uses the grey matter when not in possession. Someone who'll condition his body to compete at the highest level. Put all that in a big cauldron and you'll find the majority of that Tyrone starting 15 in it.
I think you have just described Maurice Fitz
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
Some hacks simply believe that a brilliant footballer is one who has just stepped out of a book: Big brown tanned legs; galloping strides and a green/gold geansai on his spine. What's a great footballer? Someone who executes the skills of the game with the fewest mistakes and is consistantly a major player in the game. Preferably two-footed in the solo and shot selection. Someone who intelligently uses the ball by hand and foot and also uses the grey matter when not in possession. Someone who'll condition his body to compete at the highest level. Put all that in a big cauldron and you'll find the majority of that Tyrone starting 15 in it.
That's just about it - throw in 100% commitment and you're there.
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 09, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
Took this from The Kerryman :
Kerry management made serious errors of judgement
Wednesday October 01 2008
THE fallout from losing a third All Ireland final to Tyrone in six years hit home last week as Kerry supporters surveyed the wreckage of a damaging defeat in which the reigning champions were outsmarted and outmanoeuvred both on and of the field.
So many things went wrong that it is difficult to pinpoint why Pat O'Shea's men, with so much at stake, contrived to play what was arguably their poorest football of the whole year (excluding the league final against Derry and the Munster final defeat by Cork). Three defeats in major finals in one year is bad enough, but when the most calamitous failure comes on the biggest day of all before a sellout crowd in Croke Park there is justifiable bewilderment.
With so many top players under-achieving it was, perhaps, understandable that supporters would find it hard to deal with a situation that was so untypical of Kerry in an All Ireland final. Being beaten so comprehensively in the end hasn't been the only shock.
There were also some poor decisions by management that have compounded the overall disappointment. All of this is perfectly understandable. Kerry supporters demand high standards and they are entitled to expect only the very best on a day when everything is on the line. They didn't get that nor anything remotely near it.
Tyrone's claustrophobic gameplan undoubtedly contributed to what unfolded. Kerry didn't play poorly just by accident; they were presssurised into making numerous mistakes. By now, Mickey Harte is an exhaustive student of Kerry football, which he knows like the back of his hand. Consequently, there is nothing that would have spooked him in terms of tactical innovation.
Harte is a top-class practitioner who would have guessed correctly that the opposition had nothing new in their armoury – which they hadn't. Any fool could have told him how important it was to eliminate the threat of Cooper, Donaghy and Walsh who had signalled their devastating potential well in advance. Equally important, he would have to ensure that pressure was exerted on outfield players in a way that allowed little quality ball being directed into this area. Some of these pressure tactics included obstructionist fouling that mostly went unpunished by the referee.
By moving the tenacious and destructive Conor Gormley to left full-back Harte was clearly intent on presenting Colm Cooper with his biggest test to date. The two McMahons, mostly unrated up to now, were handed the mammoth task of defusing two of Kerry's key players, Kieran Donaghy and Tommy Walsh. When Kerry's front line of attack wasn't functioning and with several fouls being ignored by the referee Tyrone were on their way.
By his own high standards, Kieran Donaghy had a complete off-day with little going right for him. From the start his normal animation appeared to have gone missing and he looked completely out of sorts with himself. In any event it came as a huge surprise to see him being marked out of it. Obviously, his recent injury must have been a factor. He had done little training and for whatever reason wasn't even a shadow of the great player we know him to be.
The Kerry selectors made their first blunder of the day when deciding late in the first half to bring Donaghy outfield to play as a third midfielder. This suited Tyrone down to the ground because it took the opposition's main play-maker away from his normal domain and brought him into an area where he made no impression. Secondly, it clogged up a sector where Kerry were already marginally on top. Absolutely nothing was gained from that experiment.
Tommy Walsh filled the vacant space in front of goal but was getting nothing off his marker. After an early knock the Kerins O'Rahilly's man became a peripheral figure although he did have one half-chance of scoring what would have been a vital goal.
Walsh is a midfielder by inclination and when he blasted the ball against the advancing goalkeeper he did what most outfield players in his situation would have done. Had he chosen to jink the keeper his physical strength would have given him a chance of putting the ball in the net. Alternatively, he might posssibly have been fouled for a penalty.
Colm Cooper was Kerry's lone scoring threat in attack with Declan O'Sullivan foraging deep in defence where he did some great work. He also contributed spasmodically up front and his late goal attempt (had it come off) might have saved the day. With Eoin Brosnan and Bryan Sheehan ineffective on the wings, Kerry's attacking threat was minimal throughout.
Keeping Darran O'Sullivan under wraps for the whole season was a mistake. The Glenbeigh/Glencar clubman is a forward of real quality having proved himself repeatedly when coming on as a sub over the past few years. During the league campaign earlier this year he was among the top five players on the team. The question must arise therefore: Why has he been held in reserve when he should have become a first-choice regular long before now? To deny him that opportunity is not just ill-advised, it is morally wrong and unjustifiable.
Similarly in the case of Tommy Griffin whose exclusion was mind-boggling. After performing so well in both games against Cork the Dingle publican appeared to have done everybody a big favour by sorting out the notoriously troublesome full-back position. That was the presumption, but things turned out very differently. To the absolute bafflement of supporters Griffin was dropped for the next game, the All Ireland final! Making a wrong call in the heat of a big game is an occupational hazard, but when a decision is made in the cold light of day that flies in the face of reason it is hard to acccept.
Paul Galvin's introduction on the 58th minute came far too late. If he was to play a meaningful role he should have been brought on much earlier and allow him, say 10 minutes, to adjust to the pace of the game. Admittedly, he didn't look right after coming on but, given more time, he might have made some kind of impact.
In fairness, the selectors did make some good moves during the year. The introduction of Tommy Walsh in mid-season was a master-stroke while the bold and adventurous step of trying to convert Griffin into a full-back was working until the blueprint was discarded. Micheal Quirke was a success in the replay against Cork. Similarly, the late arrival of David Moran that day reaped rich dividends. This begs the question though: Why have we seen so little of him?
Tyrone have won three All Irelands with a mixture of some very good and some very ordinary players. Their success does not rest with brilliant individual talent. At least five of the side that beat Kerry on September 21 would struggle to make the Tralee John Mitchels' side of the 1960s. Kerry have far better quality, but it is not paying off.
Why this is happening is something that must be addressed before the future can even be considered.
**Just checked on wikipedia and they won 5 championships so they must have been some team. The question is what five couldn't have made it - since it was the 'catch and kick' days who out of the tyrone team would fall down on the old mano-mano style of football
Kerry are the worst losers about. They come out straight after the match and congratulate you on being the better team etc. But then over the next few months and years they try to play down the defeat and criticise your team. I have read this stuff numerous times about Tyrones obstructive fouling out the field and I honestly dont know what they are talking about. Id say Tyrone committed no more fouls out the pitch than Kerry. There were a couple of early 50 50 tussles between Justy McMahon and Donaghy with the ref giving a decision each way. I dont remember to many fouls going unpunished.
The last paragraph has to be a laugh,surely it is? Tyrone have played Kerry 3 times this decade in championship and one 3 times - once by 7 points,once by 3 points and once by 4 points. To say that 5 Tyrone players wouldnt have made a Kerry club team is surely taking the piss.
After 2003 when Kerry entered the game as hot favourites and got beat it was made out in the media for 2 years that Tyrone were a negative team and basically caught Kerry on the hop as they werent expecting these tactics. They got there chance for revenge in 2005. The media said Kerry had learned from their mistakes and with new players like Galvin and a new found work rate they'd definately beat Tyrone. Tyrone won a wonderful game by 3 points and outplayed Kerry scoring 1-16.
Fast forward 3 years and the teams meet again. Again Kerry are hot favourites and again they have new tactics which Tyrone wont be able to handle. It has been suggested that over the previous 2 years that if Kerry had Donaghy in 2005 at full forward they would have beaten Tyrone. This year too they have Tommy Walsh and Tyrone wont be able to beat Kerry with the twin towers and Gooch about. The consensus on the Sunday Game the week before the final was that it was Kerry's to lose. Tyrone win by 4 points.
They have beaten Kerry with nearly every one (Seamus M now retiired) of their best players over the previous 5 years available. Tyrone have started without Canavan/O'Neill/Mulligan/McGuigan - all key forwards from the great Tyrone team of 2005. Yet less than a month later the usual crap has been come from certain journalists that Kerry have vastly superior players etc. The head to head battles suggest otherwise and you just wonder what the outcome would have been if Kerry had been forced to start without a fully fit Gooch/Donaghy/O'Sullivan.
Jesus talk about sour grapes!! Whats worrying is that many will read and believe it.
"Tyrone's claustrophobic gameplan undoubtedly contributed to what unfolded."
This is my favourite bit. Pat O'Shea was the man who chose to play about 5 or 6 in his half back line as he was scared of Tyrones gameplan of breaking in numbers. This negative approach was a big factor in Kerry's loss.
Not sure who penned thi mighty piece?
This is another of the lazy cliches that some ill informed writers have thrown at Tyrone over the last few years and like the puke football thing it has stuck a little bit. Remember reading before the 2005 final that McGee and Mellon were starting for Tyrone when they wouldnt make the Kerry panel. Both lads showed how ridiculous that opinion was. You would think the fact that the current team have 3 Sams now and is made up from 3 All-Ireland Minor Championship winning teams over 6 years (with lads from a new team of All-Ireland minor champions waiting to break through) that people would recognise its an exceptionally talented team. Truth is that if these so called ordinary players were on the Kerry team they would be talked up, its all a nonsense.
The author of this piece shows his ignorance by calling the McMahons "mostly underrated up to now". Joe was a brilliant underage player and was AI winning full back at the age of 22. Justy was an outstanding under 21 player (captaining Tyrone to the Ulster title) and had been in excellent form up until the final. These guys were only underrated if you have limited GAA knowledge.
Wouldnt go overboard and say Kerry folk are poor losers on the back of ill informed and poorly researched article though, the reaction of the posters on here was very sporting.
QuoteKerry are the worst losers about. They come out straight after the match and congratulate you on being the better team etc. But then over the next few months and years they try to play down the defeat and criticise your team.
A lot of you lads have constantly belittled Kerrys AI wins over the last few years (and long before that) so your complaints about not getting the credit you feel you deserve are a bit rich.
Also, we have no control over what the media, even our own, have to say. If fact, we'd be perfectly happy to have the media spend the next year telling Tyrone that the sun shines out their arses so that we can just get on with it. The last thing we need is more media blathering about Kerry or Kerry v Tyrone or Paul galvin etc etc
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 09, 2008, 08:08:38 PM
This is another of the lazy cliches that some ill informed writers have thrown at Tyrone over the last few years and like the puke football thing it has stuck a little bit. Remember reading before the 2005 final that McGee and Mellon were starting for Tyrone when they wouldnt make the Kerry panel. Both lads showed how ridiculous that opinion was. You would think the fact that the current team have 3 Sams now and is made up from 3 All-Ireland Minor Championship winning teams over 6 years (with lads from a new team of All-Ireland minor champions waiting to break through) that people would recognise its an exceptionally talented team. Truth is that if these so called ordinary players were on the Kerry team they would be talked up, its all a nonsense.
The author of this piece shows his ignorance by calling the McMahons "mostly underrated up to now". Joe was a brilliant underage player and was AI winning full back at the age of 22. Justy was an outstanding under 21 player (captaining Tyrone to the Ulster title) and had been in excellent form up until the final. These guys were only underrated if you have limited GAA knowledge.
Wouldnt go overboard and say Kerry folk are poor losers on the back of ill informed and poorly researched article though, the reaction of the posters on here was very sporting.
Excellent.
read that in the kerryman, he makes a few good points about kerrys many tactical blunders on the day (with his phd in hindsight) but the whole tone of it is very mean spirited towards tyrone and most kerry fans would say that. even if kerry had got everything right on the day whoes to say they would have won? tyrone made a few mistakes too and the best team won on the day. his comment about 5 of the tyrone team not making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!)) are just there to be controversial
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 09, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
QuoteKerry are the worst losers about. They come out straight after the match and congratulate you on being the better team etc. But then over the next few months and years they try to play down the defeat and criticise your team.
A lot of you lads have constantly belittled Kerrys AI wins over the last few years (and long before that) so your complaints about not getting the credit you feel you deserve are a bit rich.
Also, we have no control over what the media, even our own, have to say. If fact, we'd be perfectly happy to have the media spend the next year telling Tyrone that the sun shines out their arses so that we can just get on with it. The last thing we need is more media blathering about Kerry or Kerry v Tyrone or Paul galvin etc etc
Still how can you credit Kerry for there AI wins when a team of ordinary players keep beating them
QuoteStill how can you credit Kerry for there AI wins when a team of ordinary players keep beating them
Well, we've obviously gone downhill since doing the back to back. Defending a title takes a lot out of a team you know and winning it three times in a row is even harder.
ok mike now trying to belittle Kerry's wins only pointing out that there is not to many ordinary players on the Tyrone team ;)
Quote from: magickingdom on October 09, 2008, 08:48:31 PM
read that in the kerryman, he makes a few good points about kerrys many tactical blunders on the day (with his phd in hindsight) but the whole tone of it is very mean spirited towards tyrone and most kerry fans would say that. even if kerry had got everything right on the day whoes to say they would have won? tyrone made a few mistakes too and the best team won on the day. his comment about 5 of the tyrone team not making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!)) are just there to be controversial
Magic, who was the author, the online edition doesn't tell you?
Quote from: tyssam5 on October 09, 2008, 09:21:35 PM
Magic, who was the author, the online edition doesn't tell you?
Some 'P Spillane' I think ;)
Quotenot making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!))
Ah jaysus I was enjoying me cup of tae and a biscuit and I get dragged into this. There has been no team of note seen in Boherbue since that team, hope you enjoy your well deserved spell with the intermediates :P
As for the Tyrone wans, for fecks sake ye should be still celebrating your fine win a few weeks ago (when we win which is often I'd be drunk till Christmas) and not worrying what a page filler throw away article in the Kerryman has to offer. If we were to take to heart all the crap written about Kerry over the years in the Irish News and that Ulster GAA rag ye have up there we would get little sleep.
As Sheehy says, Tyrone are great (okay he didnt go that far) but the sun shines out their holes fior this year. And long may it continue , yerra tis a dark enough dump of a place at the best of times :P
I suppose I dont blame them for trying to get a spat going. I've never seen less activity on gaaboard coming up to an All-Ireland or in the aftermath of an AI. gaaboard has definitely been dying a death over the last few years.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 09, 2008, 09:28:33 PM
Quotenot making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!))
Ah jaysus I was enjoying me cup of tae and a biscuit and I get dragged into this. There has been no team of note seen in Boherbue since that team, hope you enjoy your well deserved spell with the intermediates :P
As for the Tyrone wans, for fecks sake ye should be still celebrating your fine win a few weeks ago (when we win which is often I'd be drunk till Christmas) and not worrying what a page filler throw away article in the Kerryman has to offer. If we were to take to heart all the crap written about Kerry over the years in the Irish News and that Ulster GAA rag ye have up there we would get little sleep.
As Sheehy says, Tyrone are great (okay he didnt go that far) but the sun shines out their holes fior this year. And long may it continue , yerra tis a dark enough dump of a place at the best of times :P
Tyrone folks dont mind these articles .I must find out what dinosaur wrote it .
We all have them John, unfortunately.
Quote from: tyssam5 on October 09, 2008, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 09, 2008, 08:48:31 PM
read that in the kerryman, he makes a few good points about kerrys many tactical blunders on the day (with his phd in hindsight) but the whole tone of it is very mean spirited towards tyrone and most kerry fans would say that. even if kerry had got everything right on the day whoes to say they would have won? tyrone made a few mistakes too and the best team won on the day. his comment about 5 of the tyrone team not making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!)) are just there to be controversial
Magic, who was the author, the online edition doesn't tell you?
dont still have it but i'll find out for you tomorrow..
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 09, 2008, 09:28:33 PM
Quotenot making the john mitchels team of the 60's (only club to have won 5 championships in a row 1959-63 (read it and weep kerrymike!))
Ah jaysus I was enjoying me cup of tae and a biscuit and I get dragged into this. There has been no team of note seen in Boherbue since that team, hope you enjoy your well deserved spell with the intermediates :P
next time your up this way km as you come in the castlemaine road swing by the new ground, i see a bright new dawn :D
just found it, written by owen mccrohan. regular writer for the kerryman...
Quote from: magickingdom on October 09, 2008, 10:33:56 PM
just found it, written by owen mccrohan. regular writer for the kerryman...
I'll say a prayer for him, he's in dire need of it ;)
Thanks Magic. Yeah he's normally not too bad, might be a relative of Bro McCrohan of Omagh CBS fame! :D
At least he knows that it's the McMahon brothers, the other oul fella who writes in the Kerryman and appears to be something of an institution (Weeshie) was blaming the Gormley brothers for the savaging wee Star and young Tommy were getting. Time for a few lads to hang up the quills?
Quote from: tyssam5 on October 10, 2008, 12:46:15 AM
Thanks Magic. Yeah he's normally not too bad, might be a relative of Bro McCrohan of Omagh CBS fame! :D
At least he knows that it's the McMahon brothers, the other oul fella who writes in the Kerryman and appears to be something of an institution (Weeshie) was blaming the Gormley brothers for the savaging wee Star and young Tommy were getting. Time for a few lads to hang up the quills?
weeshie is an institution..... on radio kerry. well worth a listen too
Yer man Mc grohan wrote similiar shite in the kerryman, about tactics fouling etc, when Cross beat Dr Crokes in the 2007 all Ireland club final....A real sore loser
Quote from: crossfire on October 11, 2008, 02:20:32 PM
Yer man Mc grohan wrote similiar shite in the kerryman, about tactics fouling etc, when Cross beat Dr Crokes in the 2007 all Ireland club final....A real sore loser
Crokes were beat fair and square ( ok Oisin ran about 20 yards for the equaliser but never worry about that ).
At last there's agreement that the Crokes were robbed of the the title the first day.
Quote from: comethekingdom on October 12, 2008, 12:36:13 AM
At last there's agreement that the Crokes were robbed of the the title the first day.
Ah Jasus, not yet more sour grapes, I'm all wined out at this stage! ;)
Anyone got the Minor & Senior AIFs on dvd?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 12, 2008, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on October 12, 2008, 12:36:13 AM
At last there's agreement that the Crokes were robbed of the the title the first day.
Ah Jasus, not yet more sour grapes, I'm all wined out at this stage! ;)
No sour grapes Fear. Cross won the replay fair and square but Mcconville took the piss with the equalising free kick the fist day you must agree.
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 12, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
Anyone got the Minor & Senior AIFs on dvd?
Yea, was wondering are they on sale anywhere yet?
Quote from: comethekingdom on October 12, 2008, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 12, 2008, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: comethekingdom on October 12, 2008, 12:36:13 AM
At last there's agreement that the Crokes were robbed of the the title the first day.
Ah Jasus, not yet more sour grapes, I'm all wined out at this stage! ;)
No sour grapes Fear. Cross won the replay fair and square but Mcconville took the piss with the equalising free kick the fist day you must agree.
He certainly took the piss with steps in Croker., but thats what the referee is there for. Id nearly swear he equalised from open play.
I believe this week neither Tyrone or Crossmaglen were mentioned .So we can all now move on .
Dont think it was a free kick comethekingdom
Same as Yes I would, I thought it was from open play
May have took a few extra steps but the referee was well placed
Was a great score BTW
Quote from: full back on October 14, 2008, 09:09:47 AM
Dont think it was a free kick comethekingdom
Same as Yes I would, I thought it was from open play
May have took a few extra steps but the referee was well placed
Was a great score BTW
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Score worthy of winning the AI ( although it was only an equaliser ) but it ultimately won the AI for Cross in the replay.
Why are ye talking about Cross on here?
Did anyone ever identify who was the big fat guy that was knocked over at half time in the final and what was he saying?
QuoteDid anyone ever identify who was the big fat guy that was knocked over at half time in the final and what was he saying?
I have it on good authority that what he said inspired part of Mickey's half-time team talk and provided Tyrone with what we now know was the appetite to tear Kerry to shreds in the 2nd half.
Quote from: under the bar on October 15, 2008, 01:57:44 PM
QuoteDid anyone ever identify who was the big fat guy that was knocked over at half time in the final and what was he saying?
I have it on good authority that he said inspired part of Mickey's half-time team talk and provided Tyrone with what we now know was the appetite to tear Kerry to shreds in the 2nd half.
;) ;)
regardless of what he said there is no excuse for assaulting a backroom member/county board official. Tyrone have lowered the bar even further in terms of what is acceptable behavior and I'm sure it has been duly noted by the Kerry panel and backroom staff. The national league fixture could be very interesting indeed. Is it in Omagh or Killarney ?
Tis a bad sign indeed when the Kerry fans start relishing a National League clash. Times could be changing.
couldnt give a shite about the clash as the National league is pretty meaningless. its the "occasion" that could be interesting.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 15, 2008, 08:14:55 PM
regardless of what he said there is no excuse for assaulting a backroom member/county board official. Tyrone have lowered the bar even further in terms of what is acceptable behavior and I'm sure it has been duly noted by the Kerry panel and backroom staff. The national league fixture could be very interesting indeed. Is it in Omagh or Killarney ?
:D :D :D :D
I knew the bad manners would come back eventually when the wounds were sufficiently licked!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 15, 2008, 08:14:55 PM
regardless of what he said there is no excuse for assaulting a backroom member/county board official. Tyrone have lowered the bar even further in terms of what is acceptable behavior and I'm sure it has been duly noted by the Kerry panel and backroom staff. The national league fixture could be very interesting indeed. Is it in Omagh or Killarney ?
It's in omagh as we played you under the lights in Tralee (I think) earlier this year
Quoteregardless of what he said there is no excuse for assaulting a backroom member/county board official.
Then the fat clampet shouldn't try to block players en route to the dressing room! What an emabrrassment to football in general never mind Kerry, an eejit like that making a complete dickhead of himself. He's like something that wud even be out of place in a cattle mart somewhere.
Shame on ye Mike. Yer claiming assault now? you Kerry boys' pride really has taken a pasting! ;) :D
QuoteI knew the bad manners would come back eventually when the wounds were sufficiently licked!
Well somebody has to try and keep Tyrone egos in check. Its got to the stage where ye want all 15 all-stars as well as all places on the International rules squad.
QuoteThen the fat clampet shouldn't try to block players en route to the dressing room! What an emabrrassment to football in general never mind Kerry, an eejit like that making a complete d**khead of himself. He's like something that wud even be out of place in a cattle mart somewhere.
Shame on ye Mike. Yer claiming assault now? you Kerry boys' pride really has taken a pasting!
Thats your interpretation of it. Who was the fat bollix who shoved him (backroom staff, white hair)...
QuoteThats your interpretation of it.
No, that's what happened. Lard-ass runs over to the players tunnel and starts mouthing at the Tyrone personnel, blocking their way and gets knocked over as a result. No interpretation required as it's plain to watch on the telly.
Pat O'Shea's last game at the helm of the Kingdom (with the announcement of his departure from the Kerry hot-seat), so number four for Mickey Harte ;)
Did pieces like Owen Mc Crohan's in The Kerryman lead to this, or was it on the cards anyway?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 16, 2008, 06:15:52 PM
Pat O'Shea's last game at the helm of the Kingdom (with the announcement of his departure from the Kerry hot-seat), so number four for Mickey Harte ;)
Did pieces like Owen Mc Crohan's in The Kerryman lead to this, or was it on the cards anyway?
I believe even if Kerry had won he may have stepped down .Thanks Pat 3-13 to 1-09 will never be forgotten .Pat is a gentleman and will be missed
Good luck to him, he carried it well.
Who's in the frame to replace him John?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 16, 2008, 06:24:59 PM
Good luck to him, he carried it well.
Who's in the frame to replace him John?
Very hard to know .With the last 2 replacements I knew in advance this time there seems to be no clear candidate . Its a hard act to follow but I think alot of Kerry people understand that the present team may entering a period of transition . I hope who ever gets the job gets some time
I was wondering recently - if Tyrone were to meet Kerry tomorrow, Kerry'd still be favourites in the bookies. I wonder when that ceases to be so.
QuoteI was wondering recently - if Tyrone were to meet Kerry tomorrow, Kerry'd still be favourites in the bookies.
d/k O'Neill. Only if the bookies blindly follow the pigsh!t thick sports journos. I'd say they've realised now that Mickey Harte is the safest bet in Ireland and have had enuff of Tyrone ppl cleaning them out ;D
If Kerry beat Tyrone, sure that's the natural order, and they'll do it again (naturally) next game.
If Tyrone beat Kerry, then that's an unexpected aberration, but sure the natural order will be restored at next time of asking, and Kerry will win again.
Thrice they've denied us this Millenium, and thrice they've been cleaned out (in certain quarters, and regally so). Long may it continue!
PS And Fianna Fáil(ures) can deliver a budget like yesterday's and still be shoo-ins to form the next government (according to the bookies)! ;)
So you lads will be betting the house on Tyrone winning next year so ?
QuoteSo you lads will be betting the house on Tyrone winning next year so ?
It's a long way from the first round in Ulster to the AIF Mike with many's a slip in store. If Tyrone meet Kerry at any point tho, yes I'll be putting a fairly hefty lump on it 'cos unless Kerry re-invent their game in the meantime, the result will be the same as the last 3.
Quite a lot of neutrals who in fairness to them know quite a bit about football were convinced Kerry had re-invented their game to beat Tyrone this year
They were sure with two large men in the FF line and good fast high ball would counter act the Tyrone defensive system
They said that we've no forwards any more and we'll not beat Kerry without Canavan, O'Neill, half fit McGuigan & a Midfielder put into a square hole as a patched up forward line.
I must say I was surprised myself how much our forwards scored from play this year
Does anyone have the stats?
Quote from: under the bar on October 17, 2008, 08:50:05 AM
QuoteSo you lads will be betting the house on Tyrone winning next year so ?
It's a long way from the first round in Ulster to the AIF Mike with many's a slip in store. If Tyrone meet Kerry at any point tho, yes I'll be putting a fairly hefty lump on it 'cos unless Kerry re-invent their game in the meantime, the result will be the same as the last 3.
It's precisely this arrogance from Tyronies that would never allow me to support them in any way shape or form whatsoever.
oh my god how will we get on with out ye
Has nobody in Tyrone heard of winning with a bit of grace and decency.
This shite of 'seeing off another Kerry manager' and crowing about how every Tyrone player should have won an All-Ireland is pathetic.
The worst winners I've seen in a long time, and I'm beginning to hope it's a long time before ye get another chance to shout about yourselves.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 17, 2008, 02:15:59 PM
Has nobody in Tyrone heard of winning with a bit of grace and decency.
This shite of 'seeing off another Kerry manager' and crowing about how every Tyrone player should have won an All-Ireland is pathetic.
The worst winners I've seen in a long time, and I'm beginning to hope it's a long time before ye get another chance to shout about yourselves.
Round of applause for that man!
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 17, 2008, 02:06:53 PM
They were sure with two large men in the FF line and good fast high ball would counter act the Tyrone defensive system
It might have, too, had they not inexplicably abandoned it in the second half and withdrawn Donaghy (or allowed him to wander) to midfield. Major tactical lapse and the losing of the AIF in my opinion.
It would have worked for them, if they had been giving the ball in from better positions. Killian Young and/or Tomas O'Sé kicking in high balls from 65 yards is not what that plan is about. It's about lads like Darragh O'Se and Declan O'Sullivan kicking 45 yard high diagonal balls.
Kerry were dominated for long periods by the likes of Ricey McMenamin and Philip Jordan under breaking ball, and that affected the delivery positions of the lad kicking the ball in.
Despite all the tactics, there are some essential, simple elements about football, that hold true no matter what.
a) You must win the 50-50 balls most of the time
b) When you have the ball, you must use it well.
Tony McTeague, who coached me at minor, had a simple mantra. The man who has the ball is god. He can control how that passage of play will proceed. Win the ball more often that your opponents, and use it well, and you will win the game.
I got the impression Kerry panicked and mistrusted their own plan. To me, they were getting a reasonable percentage return from the ball in to Donaghy and Walsh in the first half, that would have been much higher but for a few bad breaks. I think they allowed themselves to be demoralised by those few breaks, when Tyrone defenders won the ball and executed spectacular break-outs, accompanied by huge cheers from the supporters. It reminded me of what Mick Lyons used to do for Meath (and to opposition morale) when he'd "set the Hogan Stand harrooing" as some journalist (Humphries?) memorably described it, with a spectacular catch and burst out of defence.
If I was the Kerry manager at half time I'd have been quite happy that the basics were working and the breaks would even out. My message would have been "keep doing what you're doing and trust the plan".
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 17, 2008, 08:50:05 AM
QuoteSo you lads will be betting the house on Tyrone winning next year so ?
It's a long way from the first round in Ulster to the AIF Mike with many's a slip in store. If Tyrone meet Kerry at any point tho, yes I'll be putting a fairly hefty lump on it 'cos unless Kerry re-invent their game in the meantime, the result will be the same as the last 3.
It's precisely this arrogance from Tyronies that would never allow me to support them in any way shape or form whatsoever.
Im no Tyrone fan but My god, an Armagh fan calling Tyrone Arrogant? Thats the clearest example Ive ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 17, 2008, 02:15:59 PM
Has nobody in Tyrone heard of winning with a bit of grace and decency.
This shite of 'seeing off another Kerry manager' and crowing about how every Tyrone player should have won an All-Ireland is pathetic.
The worst winners I've seen in a long time, and I'm beginning to hope it's a long time before ye get another chance to shout about yourselves.
What a gracious and decent post ;)
Quote from: billy the kid on October 17, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 17, 2008, 08:50:05 AM
QuoteSo you lads will be betting the house on Tyrone winning next year so ?
It's a long way from the first round in Ulster to the AIF Mike with many's a slip in store. If Tyrone meet Kerry at any point tho, yes I'll be putting a fairly hefty lump on it 'cos unless Kerry re-invent their game in the meantime, the result will be the same as the last 3.
It's precisely this arrogance from Tyronies that would never allow me to support them in any way shape or form whatsoever.
Well said , Billy. Knew it wouldn t be too long before the jealousy of our success would come to the fore among our orchard loving neighbours.
Im no Tyrone fan but My god, an Armagh fan calling Tyrone Arrogant? Thats the clearest example Ive ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black.
billy the kid You should try reading your own posts for arrogance. There is nothing I have said that was arrogant. I criticised a Tyronie for their arrogance in the way he was talking about Tyrone going to beat Kerry again if they don't change their ways. Anyone bigging up their own team at this time of year is arrogant. Not even the Kerry ones are doing that.
gaffer, there is nothing in it to be jealous about 8)
Quote from: Hardy on October 17, 2008, 02:38:19 PM
I think they allowed themselves to be demoralised by those few breaks, when Tyrone defenders won the ball and executed spectacular break-outs, accompanied by huge cheers from the supporters.
Yes, it was the huge cheering that done it.
FFS, it's no wonder southerners are trailing in our dust.
ardmhachaabu. You sum up what most fans are like. It galls you to the bottom of your soul that Tyrone won the All-Ireland this year. You are no different to 80% of Armagh fans and Derry fans that I know and if the situation was reversed the same could be said about Tyrone fans. This is what I love about our sport over soccar. We support our teams 100% but do not take it over the edge ;)
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2008, 05:14:51 PM
FFS, it's no wonder southerners are trailing in our dust.
Lads, its comments like this that make ye look like bad winners.
Look at the Kerry posters comments after they win an all Ireland, theres no talk of seeing off managers, or helping players into retirement, or leave teams trailing in their dust.
Dont take the good out of a fantastic team winning Sam by making people want to see you lose.
It's responses like that which shows how seriously people take the written word and base their likes/dislikes on posts in such forums. Lighten up ffs and know yer place. You're a Dub aren't you - you should be privileged to share the same grass as Penrose and co.
Though I mean that about Meath and dust.
Quote from: his holiness nb on October 17, 2008, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2008, 05:14:51 PM
FFS, it's no wonder southerners are trailing in our dust.
Lads, its comments like this that make ye look like bad winners.
Look at the Kerry posters comments after they win an all Ireland, theres no talk of seeing off managers, or helping players into retirement, or leave teams trailing in their dust.
Dont take the good out of a fantastic team winning Sam by making people want to see you lose.
No the Kerry posters are never arrogant.
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2008, 05:39:24 PM
It's responses like that which shows how seriously people take the written word and base their likes/dislikes on posts in such forums. Lighten up ffs and know yer place. You're a Dub aren't you - you should be privileged to share the same grass as Penrose and co.
Though I mean that about Meath and dust.
Theres another of those comments, and I dont need lightening up, I'm having a good old laugh at the carry on of ye lately.
Theres 2 main factors which make somebody want to see a team loose. The carry on of the players, and the carry on of the fans.
Thats all I'm saying, I understand these are 2 of the factors many people dislike the Dubs, seems we are dropping rapidly to the second most disliked team in the country, trailing in yer dust ;)
Agree about Meath though.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 05:04:21 PM
billy the kid You should try reading your own posts for arrogance. There is nothing I have said that was arrogant. I criticised a Tyronie for their arrogance in the way he was talking about Tyrone going to beat Kerry again if they don't change their ways. Anyone bigging up their own team at this time of year is arrogant. Not even the Kerry ones are doing that.
gaffer, there is nothing in it to be jealous about 8)
It does comes across like that!!!!!!
Quote from: EC Unique on October 17, 2008, 05:16:59 PM
ardmhachaabu. You sum up what most fans are like. It galls you to the bottom of your soul that Tyrone won the All-Ireland this year. You are no different to 80% of Armagh fans and Derry fans that I know and if the situation was reversed the same could be said about Tyrone fans. This is what I love about our sport over soccar. We support our teams 100% but do not take it over the edge ;)
Another Tyronie who can't even read. What sort of teachers do you have there anyway? ;)
Quote from: Gaffer on October 17, 2008, 09:30:38 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 05:04:21 PM
billy the kid You should try reading your own posts for arrogance. There is nothing I have said that was arrogant. I criticised a Tyronie for their arrogance in the way he was talking about Tyrone going to beat Kerry again if they don't change their ways. Anyone bigging up their own team at this time of year is arrogant. Not even the Kerry ones are doing that.
gaffer, there is nothing in it to be jealous about 8)
It does comes across like that!!!!!!
Only to stupid Tyronies gaffer, only to stupid Tyronies... :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:09:31 PM
Only to stupid Tyronies gaffer, only to stupid Tyronies... :D
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:01:29 PM
Another Tyronie who can't even read. What sort of teachers do you have there anyway? ;)
Oh, how bitter those apples! :P
Never mind, one day (when you grow up) you might have three SAMs too. Then again, maybe not :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 17, 2008, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:01:29 PM
Another Tyronie who can't even read. What sort of teachers do you have there anyway? ;)
You're an extremely bitter person. I remember your mean-spirited comments about Tyrone before the final, and you're simply continuing in the same begrudging vein now. Grow up, please.
Actually... that was a reference to an Armagh punter on the board. Just goes to show you what Tyronies are really like. Paranoia does mean they are all out to get you, eh?
The world doesn't revolve around youseBy the way, if I want to say mean-spirited things about Tyrone at any time of the year, I am entitled to, just as Tyronies are entitled to say disparaging things about Armagh.
So, stop your whinging.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:16:19 PM
So, stop your whinging.
Whinging! ;D Couldn't be happier ;D Though your like put the icing on the cake -- great to know that we wind such up! And thanks for that, by the way!
Quote from: hardstation on October 17, 2008, 10:17:01 PM
QuoteNever mind, one day (when you grow up) you might have three SAMs too.
Who is doing replica copies of Sam?
Ssssh!... don't be so cruel... then again... do! ;) :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 17, 2008, 10:19:12 PM
[You're an extremely bitter person. I remember your mean-spirited comments about Tyrone before the final, and you're simply continuing in the same begrudging vein now. Grow up, please.
Umm, you might have edited but I caught it first time round.
You are a moaning whinger.
Stop yapping, please.
Yeah, I'm so stupid, and so utterly devastated that you were so clever! Ah shucks!
Got talking to the MOTM in the AIF in 03 today. Said to him that I totally wrote you off after Down. He laughed and said that there was good reason to but small signs were there that it could possibly come together. Most notably, he claimed that the fitness training was at its most extreme this year, more so than any other year. It made up for the perhaps lessening of quality up front.
Quote from: hardstation on October 17, 2008, 10:25:09 PM
I was referring to Tyrone having 3 Sams.
Then again, I can't work out what your smilies mean.
Lean ar aghaidh! Agus na bac leis na biotáille meitilí.
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
Got talking to the MOTM in the AIF in 03 today. Said to him that I totally wrote you off after Down. He laughed and said that there was good reason to but small signs were there that it could possibly come together. Most notably, he claimed that the fitness training was at its most extreme this year, more so than any other year. It made up for the perhaps lessening of quality up front.
Not surprised by that ONeill, the improvement as the season progressed was awesome, and he was the difference in the second half in the final. Feargal Mc Cann has worked wonders there.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 17, 2008, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 17, 2008, 10:25:09 PM
I was referring to Tyrone having 3 Sams.
Then again, I can't work out what your smilies mean.
Lean ar aghaidh! Agus na bac leis na biotáille meitilí.
haha umm tá mé féin líofa i nGaeilge 8)
Gavin Devlin
Fay Devlin
Chris Lawn
Stephen Lawn
Brian McGuigan
Frank McGuigan
Tommy McGuigan?
We will see if his pre-season bravado is matched up on the day, which is months away at the moment
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:43:46 PM
We will see if his pre-season bravado is matched up on the day, which is months away at the moment
Jesus. you are a bitter wee Armagh man.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
haha umm tá mé féin líofa i nGaeilge 8)
Iontach ar fad is ea tú, nach ea?!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 18, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on October 17, 2008, 10:35:18 PM
haha umm tá mé féin líofa i nGaeilge 8)
Iontach ar fad is ea tú, nach ea?!
Nah, ni hea. Ta mé ag cur in iúil duit mach mbeidh tú abálta a bheith do mo chúlcaint agus mé ar an bhord seo. Sin an rud go díreach. An dtuigeann tú anois mé?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 17, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
Got talking to the MOTM in the AIF in 03 today. Said to him that I totally wrote you off after Down. He laughed and said that there was good reason to but small signs were there that it could possibly come together. Most notably, he claimed that the fitness training was at its most extreme this year, more so than any other year. It made up for the perhaps lessening of quality up front.
Not surprised by that ONeill, the improvement as the season progressed was awesome, and he was the difference in the second half in the final. Feargal Mc Cann has worked wonders there.
Still the relentless search for justification for jumping ship after the Down game.
And there were those solid unflinching loyal supporters who saw those small signs and knew it would come right.
Quote from: Main Street on October 18, 2008, 12:00:33 PM
Still the relentless search for justification for jumping ship after the Down game.
And there were those solid unflinching loyal supporters who saw those small signs and knew it would come right.
Qui moi? No, I actually was positive (or at least as positive as it's possible to be in the immediate aftermath of a loss) about being dumped out of the Ulster by Down (as I said at the time); I saw it as a chance to regroup and refocus without being under the glare of the Provincial Championship. It delivered the space for recovery to take place.
Nah, it was the other lad.
Quote from: hardstation on October 17, 2008, 10:36:48 PM
On the Tuesday after the Dublin draw was made, an un-named Tyrone star said to me, "I think it's a good aul draw. It's better than being out." The same man is an eejit when giving directions to pubs in the Ardboe/Moortown area.
Gavin Devlin
Fay Devlin
Chris Lawn
Stephen Lawn
Brian McGuigan
Frank McGuigan
Tommy McGuigan?
Let's try and narrow it then -
Past or present ???
There's a lot of eejits down our way.
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2008, 01:11:35 PM
Christ the night. Someone said that his nickname is Snout.
Get you now ! ;) ;) ;) ;)
I see Spillane gave Tyrone team of year in his awards in paper today. He says Tyrone have average footballers at best with the exception of Cavanagh. Really not sure how a bunch of less than average footballers can win an All Ireland against one of the supposedly best Kerry teams ever scoring 1-15 in the process. Harte is good but he isnt a miracle worker. The McMahons,McMenamin,Jordan,Gormley,McGinley,Dooher,McGuigan can hardly be described as average footballers at best.
Average players? Now what would we be like if we had a few "above average" players?
How unlike Spillane to damn Tyrone with faint praise :P
"Average players" that have Minor, Under 21, and Senior All-Ireland medals in their back pockets... so that's all the rest of the counties have to do, aim to be average, d'oh!
This is the same crap that Owen Mc Crohan was trotting out in the aftermath of the final itself in The Kerryman -- will some of those Kingdom amadáin ever learn to lose graciously?
Which paper was that? Can you post up the article? Thanks.
It's a fair enough assessment lads.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 04, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
Really not sure how a bunch of less than average footballers can win an All Ireland against one of the supposedly best Kerry teams ever scoring 1-15 in the process.
who ever said that about this kerry team?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 04, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
Harte is good but he isnt a miracle worker.
Thats precisely what he is
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 04, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
Which paper was that? Can you post up the article? Thanks.
I think it was the Sunday World, but can't find it on the online edition.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 04, 2009, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on January 04, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
Which paper was that? Can you post up the article? Thanks.
I think it was the Sunday World, but can't find it on the online edition.
The Sunday world that says it all .Happy New year to all
Quote from: johnpower on January 04, 2009, 09:07:49 PM
The Sunday world that says it all .Happy New year to all
I know what you mean. To be honest, I've stopped listening to Spillane. Bet he's loving we're all talking about him.
tyrone won QED
lets hope the 2009 final is as exciting whoevers in it... happy new year
Quotesee Spillane gave Tyrone team of year in his awards in paper today. He says Tyrone have average footballers at best with the exception of Cavanagh. Really not sure how a bunch of less than average footballers can win an All Ireland against one of the supposedly best Kerry teams ever scoring 1-15 in the process. Harte is good but he isnt a miracle worker. The McMahons,McMenamin,Jordan,Gormley,McGinley,Dooher,McGuigan can hardly be described as average footballers at best.
I read that yesterday myself and was just about to mention it until I saw your post. I couldn't believe he was spouting again!
Quote from: magickingdom on January 04, 2009, 09:52:18 PM
tyrone won QED
lets hope the 2009 final is as exciting whoevers in it... happy new year
Many Happy Returns
mk, and to
johnpower and the rest of the gracious Kerry folk ;)
Only another page filler in the Sunday Worst. Take no notice of Spillane.
Yerra 'Tis all history now and last years news, the score is now Kerry 35 - Tyrone 3 ;)
happy new year..........