Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) 0-09 St Galls(Antrim) 1-15 (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) 0-07 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 0-13 (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-11 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 0-10 (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-11 Naomh Adhamhnáin(Donegal) 1-07 (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) 0-10 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 1-09 (Athletic Grounds)
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 2-10 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-10 (Clones)
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down)
Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship 2012
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Cavan v Derry (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Donegal v Antrim (Donegal venue)
Down v Fermanagh (Páirc Esler)
Armagh v Tyrone (Athletic Grounds)
Monaghan v Cavan/Derry (Monaghan v Cavan - Clones Monaghan v Derry - Celtic Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Donegal/Antrim v Down/Fermanagh
Armagh/Tyrone v Cavan/Derry/Monaghan
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Ulster Junior Football Club Championship 2012
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Armagh v Donegal (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Cavan v Derry (Breffni Park)
Tyrone v Antrim (Healy Park)
Monaghan v Fermanagh (Clones)
Down v Armagh/Donegal (Down v Armagh - Páirc Esler Down v Donegal - Donegal venue)
Semi Finals:
Cavan/Derry v Tyrone/Antrim
Monaghan/Fermanagh v Armagh/Donegal/Down
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Ulster Senior Hurling Club Championship:
Sunday 14th October
Semi Final(s):
Down v Derry
If Cúchulainns don't win the Armagh Senior Championship
Armagh v Antrim
Sunday 28th October
Final: (Casement Park)
Ulster Intermediate Hurling Club Championship 2012
Sunday 7th October
Quarter Finals
Armagh v Tyrone (Athletic Grounds)
Antrim v Monaghan (Casement Park)
Down v Derry (Páirc Esler)
Fermanagh v Donegal(as long as Burt win the Donegal Championship)
Sunday 14th October
Semi Finals:
Antrim/Monaghan v Down/Derry
Armagh/Tyrone v Fermanagh/Donegal
Sunday 28th October
Final:
Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship
If Castleblayney win the Monaghan championship, or if Lisbellaw win the Fermanagh Championship, or Naomh Colum Cille win the Tyrone championship or Burt win the Donegal Championship then they would compete in the Ulster Intermediate Championship in 2012, unless Comhairle Uladh have a big, giant meeting and decide otherwise.
Sunday 30th September
Preliminary Round:
Fermanagh v Down (Brewster Park)
Sunday 7th October
Quarter Finals:
Tyrone v Donegal (Healy Park)
Derry v Monaghan (Celtic Park)
Antrim v Armagh (Casement Park)
Cavan v Fermanagh/Down (Cavan v Fermanagh - Breffni Park Cavan v Down - Páirc Esler)
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Donegal v Derry/Monaghan
Antrim/Armagh v Fermanagh/Down/Cavan
Sunday 28th October
Final:
No rust on you, sir.
Quote from: drici on March 31, 2012, 10:46:06 PM
Ulster Junior Football Club Championship 2012
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Armagh v Donegal (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Cavan v Derry (Breffni Park)
Tyrone v Antrim (Healy Park)
Monaghan v Fermanagh (Clones)
Down v Armagh/Donegal (Down v Armagh - Páirc Esler Down v Donegal - Donegal venue)
Semi Finals:
Cavan/Derry v Tyrone/Antrim
Monaghan/Fermanagh v Armagh/Donegal/Down
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
They will probably have to redraw the junior.
No junior championship this year in Fermanagh.
Quote from: drici on March 31, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Cavan v Tyrone (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Fermanagh v Antrim (Brewster Park)
Monaghan v Down (Clones)
Armagh v Donegal (Athletic Grounds)
Derry v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Christ, we (Naomh Gall) may get to the final and get hammered by Cross, that is of course if we win Antrim Championship first............. ;)
I think we'll let someone else have a go at Cross, the fookers were taking the piss against us in Casement :o
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2012, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: drici on March 31, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Cavan v Tyrone (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Fermanagh v Antrim (Brewster Park)
Monaghan v Down (Clones)
Armagh v Donegal (Athletic Grounds)
Derry v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Christ, we (Naomh Gall) may get to the final and get hammered by Cross, that is of course if we win Antrim Championship first............. ;)
I think we'll let someone else have a go at Cross, the fookers were taking the piss against us in Casement :o
you expecting big challenges in Antrim this year? Lamh Deargh, Cargin or St Brigids? Anyone else
Cargin, Johnnies and Lamhs will certainly be in the mix, Creggan been threatening for a while at juvenile level so would need to come up with the goods soon enough.
We've a new manager and he's brought in 2 trainers and the lads are raving about them. We have only started training but this is 3 months early for us!!
Again, anything could happen in championship.
Quote from: drici on March 31, 2012, 11:12:53 PM
Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship
If Castleblayney win the Monaghan championship, or if Lisbellaw win the Fermanagh Championship, or Naomh Colum Cille win the Tyrone championship or Burt win the Donegal Championship then they would compete in the Ulster Intermediate Championship in 2012, unless Comhairle Uladh have a big, giant meeting and decide otherwise.
Sunday 30th September
Preliminary Round:
Fermanagh v Down (Brewster Park)
Sunday 7th October
Quarter Finals:
Tyrone v Donegal (Healy Park)
Derry v Monaghan (Celtic Park)
Antrim v Armagh (Casement Park)
Cavan v Fermanagh/Down (Cavan v Fermanagh - Breffni Park Cavan v Down - Páirc Esler)
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Donegal v Derry/Monaghan
Antrim/Armagh v Fermanagh/Down/Cavan
Sunday 28th October
Final:
What happens if Strabane win the Tyrone junior after the handling last year? I suppose Burt were lucky to win it last year as there were no Armagh or Tyrone representatives in it.
On another note, how are Eoghan Rua allowed to compete in the same grade every year in the Camogie, they have won the last 2 All Ireland Intermediate titles.
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round
1st Leg
Cill Chartha 2-11 Málainn 0-06
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round
2nd Leg
Málainn 0-10 Cill Chartha 0-15
Cill Chartha go through with home and away wins.
Donegal Senior Football Championship
1st Round Draw
Naomh Conaill v Naomh Naille
Naomh Adhamhnáin v Cill Chartha
Naomh Mícheál v Seán Mac Cumhaill
Bun Dobhráin v Gleann Fhinne
Ard a' Rátha v Na Ceithre Maistirí
An Clochán Liath v Cloch Cheann Fhaola
Gaeil Fhánada v Na Cealla Beaga
Gaoth Dobhair v Gleann tSuilí
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Kingscourt/Drumgoon/Ballinagh/Mullahoran/Cavan Gaels/Killygarry/Castlerahan/Belturbet(Cavan) v Derrylaughan/Killyclogher/Ardboe/Dromore/Carrickmore/Coalisland/Omagh/Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Donagh/Lisnaskea/Tempo/Erne Gaels(Fermanagh) v St Johns/Ahoghill/Cargin/St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Scotstown/Castleblayney/Latton/Currin/Ballybay/Clontibret(Monaghan) v Rostrevor/Clonduff/Longstone/An Ríocht/Downpatrick/Castlewellan/Saval/Ballyholland/Burren/Mayobridge/Kilcoo/Bryansford(Down) (Clones)
Crossmaglen/Maghery/Culloville/Cullyhanna/Carrickcruppen/Sarsfields/Ballymacnab/Pearse Óg(Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Lavey/Magherafelt/Dungiven/Ballinascreen/Bellaghy/Ballinderry/Kilrea/Glenullin/Slaughtneil/Craigbane/Loup/Coleraine/Glen/
Banagher/Steelstown(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
QuoteCrossmaglen/Maghery/Culloville/Cullyhanna/Carrickcruppen/Sarsfields/Ballymacnab/Pearse Óg(Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Will Donegal have their championship completed? Hard to see their champions thriving in the Athletic Grounds as they'll probably be playing the AI champions or failing that the team whose clubhouse is in the Athletic Grounds!
Dungiven 1-08 Magherafelt 1-08 FT
Dungiven 1-12 Magherafelt 1-12 AET
Dungiven 0-06 Magherafelt 0-12 Replay
Ballinascreen 0-08 Bellaghy 0-10
Ballinderry 0-19 Kilrea 1-10
Glenullin 1-06 Slaughtneil 0-16
Craigbane 0-04 Loup 1-17
Coleraine 3-08 Glen 1-08
Banagher 4-09 Steelstown 2-11
Kingscourt 1-13 Drumgoon 0-10
Ballinagh 1-06 Mullahoran 0-11
Killygarry 0-10 Cavan Gaels 0-09
Castlerahan 1-11 Belturbet 0-08
Crossmaglen 1-14 Maghery 1-09
Cullyhanna 2-05 Culloville 0-10
Scotstown 1-06 Castleblayney 1-08
Latton 0-14 Currin 1-09
Derrylaughan 0-08 Killyclogher 0-11
Ardboe 0-09 Dromore 1-15
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Kingscourt/Castlerahan/Killygarry/Mullahoran(Cavan) v Carrickmore/Coalisland/Omagh/Errigal Ciarán/Killyclogher/Dromore(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Donagh/Lisnaskea/Tempo/Erne Gaels(Fermanagh) v St Johns/Ahoghill/Cargin/St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Clontibret/Castleblayney/Ballybay/Latton(Monaghan) v Rostrevor/Clonduff/Longstone/An Ríocht/Downpatrick/Castlewellan/Saval/Ballyholland/Burren/Mayobridge/Kilcoo/Bryansford(Down) (Clones)
Crossmaglen/Cullyhanna/Carrickcruppen/Sarsfields/Ballymacnab/Pearse Óg(Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Coleraine/Dungiven/Loup/Kilrea/Banagher/Glenullin/Lavey/Ballinascreen/Magherafelt/Bellaghy/Ballinderry/Slaughtneil(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Ulster Club SFC:
Crossmaglen 4/5
St Galls 4/1
Pearse Og 10/1
Burren 12/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Mayobridge 18/1
Kilcoo 22/1
Clontibret 25/1
Cargin 28/1
St Michaels 33/1
Naomh Conall 33/1
Dromore 40/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
Latton 50/1
Ballybay 50/1
Kingscourt 66/1
Carrickmore 80/1
Tempo 100/1
Coalisland 100/1
Lisnaskea 100/1
Dromore look over priced there (as long as they aren't thrown out as Jerome says)
Should St Galls get through the Antrim Championship then they will avoid Cross, which is nice :o
Cross are massive value at 4/5. Their hardest game will be in Armagh for sure and you will not get them at a better price this year or next March :o
Burren would be a good each way bet surely, they also avoid Cross I think so good value there then
Each way is 1/3 the odds to make the final so 4/1 on them to get to the decider.
Longstone should have beat them the last day in the championship though only for a poor referee disallowing a goal and not giving a free in at the death.
Though there was a back door in that match so might explain some complacency.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 06, 2012, 10:12:32 AM
Each way is 1/3 the odds to make the final so 4/1 on them to get to the decider.
Longstone should have beat them the last day in the championship though only for a poor referee disallowing a goal and not giving a free in at the death.
Though there was a back door in that match so might explain some complacency.
Looking at the draw Down and Antrim teams in the side not facing Cross I think so based on previous games in the Ulster club one of these teams would be good value each way
Good man Milltown Row, you are Cross' biggest fan!
QuoteCross are massive value at 4/5.
They have 5 games to play. If you can get better than 1/8 for these you'd do better and you'd get better for most games and a lot better against Pearse Ogs.
QuoteTheir hardest game will be in Armagh for sure
Sure everyone knows Armagh football must be no good, since the AI champions beat teams there.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2012, 11:40:17 AM
They have 5 games to play. If you can get better than 1/8 for these you'd do better and you'd get better for most games and a lot better against Pearse Ogs.
If any of those matches go to a replay or extra time you are beat though backing them on a match by match basis.
Not that I will be rushing to back Cross at 4/5 think it is a ridiculous price to be fair.
Looking at the various Championships in Ulster so far, Ive a sneaky feeling that Ballinderry could upset the odds in the Province this year provided they get through from Derry.
Are you basing that on their draw last week and needing extra time to beat Kilrea?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2012, 11:40:17 AM
Good man Milltown Row, you are Cross' biggest fan!
QuoteCross are massive value at 4/5.
They have 5 games to play. If you can get better than 1/8 for these you'd do better and you'd get better for most games and a lot better against Pearse Ogs.
QuoteTheir hardest game will be in Armagh for sure
Sure everyone knows Armagh football must be no good, since the AI champions beat teams there.
Starting early armaghniac :o Surprised BC1 hasn't been on
Every team has 15 players, 4/5 isn't great odds for one game when playing teams that have already won several games against good teams, never mind good odds for 5 games!
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2012, 05:19:35 PM
Every team has 15 players, 4/5 isn't great odds for one game when playing teams that have already won several games against good teams, never mind good odds for 5 games!
It may not be great odds, but as these teams fall and Cross are still in the competition then you will not get these odds the rest of the year. With greatest respect to the teams left I can't see Cross getting beat. Are you saying that Cross have regressed from last year?
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 06, 2012, 09:48:15 AM
Ulster Club SFC:
Crossmaglen 4/5
St Galls 4/1
Pearse Og 10/1
Burren 12/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Mayobridge 18/1
Kilcoo 22/1
Clontibret 25/1
Cargin 28/1
St Michaels 33/1
Naomh Conall 33/1
Dromore 40/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
Latton 50/1
Ballybay 50/1
Kingscourt 66/1
Carrickmore 80/1
Tempo 100/1
Coalisland 100/1
Lisnaskea 100/1
Dromore look over priced there (as long as they aren't thrown out as Jerome says)
No price for Errigal? :'(
I think it's a tad disrespectful thinking none of these teams can beat cross. Ballinderry should have done it last year after dominating the second half whilst a man down, mayobridge and omagh have had a few ulster underage teams surely they could be challenging soon maybe a year or 2 too early though? saint galls are capable of a better performance than last year. Dromore, if they're not thrown out, are capable of an upset but their road to glory would take some performances and upsets. And if errigal were somehow to manage to scrape through well aren't they the cross slaying machine.
Og's will win Armagh, overdo the celebrations and fall short in Ulster!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2012, 05:19:35 PM
Every team has 15 players, 4/5 isn't great odds for one game when playing teams that have already won several games against good teams, never mind good odds for 5 games!
It may not be great odds, but as these teams fall and Cross are still in the competition then you will not get these odds the rest of the year. With greatest respect to the teams left I can't see Cross getting beat. Are you saying that Cross have regressed from last year?
Any team missing Jamie Clarke would be weaker for it.
The price on Cross is appealing. Does anyone really think a team that has won the last two All-Irelands and six of the last eight Ulsters has less than a 55.6% chance of winning Ulster again?
Antrim Senior Football Championship
Semi Final:
St Johns 3-13 Ahoghill 0-05
Down Senior Football Championship
Longstone 3-12 An Ríocht 0-08
Down Senior Football Championship
Clonduff 2-14 Rostrevor 3-13
Fermanagh Senior Football Championship
Semi Final:
Lisnaskea 1-12 Donagh 1-11
Quote from: Cold tea on September 07, 2012, 01:51:44 PM
Og's will win Armagh, overdo the celebrations and fall short in Ulster!
They would overdo the celebrations, lets be honest It's hard to see any team stopping Crossmaglen in Armagh.
Quote from: mccool85 on September 07, 2012, 08:28:46 PM
The price on Cross is appealing. Does anyone really think a team that has won the last two All-Irelands and six of the last eight Ulsters has less than a 55.6% chance of winning Ulster again?
It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. If they manage to avoid Pearse Og in Armagh then I'd certainly agree, but IIRC Ogs are the last (Ulster?) team to have beaten Cross in championship. If these two teams meet, I'd fancy Og's with their ace up their sleeve, slightly ahead of Cross.
http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2012/09/07/397975-lisnaskea-shade-derby-encounter-to-progress-to-decider/
Lisnaskea 1-12 St. Patrick's Donagh 1-11
(http://www.clydeandforthmedia.co.uk/output/300/img/2012/09/07/st.-pats.jpg)
St. Pat's Barry Little and Paul Curran of Lisnaskea battle for possession at Brewster Park tonight.
Lisnaskea are through to the Fermanagh Senior Football Championship Final following a one point victory over neighbours St. Patrick's at Brewster Park tonight.
This was a game that was right in the balance to the death with Pat Cadden and Shane McDermott both kicking wides for St. Pat's in the final moments, albeit from difficult chances as the Emmetts held on to progress.
It took 14 minutes for the first score of the game to be registered as Paul Cosgrove clipped over.
But it was Lisnaskea who began to take control as Daniel Kille and Aidy Little landed points before Mark Smyth's deflected shot looped over Patrick Quaile in the St. Pat's goal and into the back of the net.
With Kille lofting over a further couple of points, Lisnaskea appeared to be cruising as they moved into 1-05 to 0-02 lead by the 26th minute but St. Pat's responded in the closing minutes of the half with Cosgrove tucking a low shot to the net to leave it 1-05 to 1-03 at the interval.
And three points on the bounce from Cadden, Eamon Maguire and Cadden again put the Donagh men ahead early in the second half.
Brian Óg Maguire fisted over for Lisnaskea but Cadden and Marty O'Reilly replied for St. Pat's who led 1-08 to 1-06.
Lisnaskea though then had a good spell that saw them rattle over three points to go one ahead and St. Pat's chances were further hit as Ruairi McGrade was dismissed after picking up two yellow cards.
The influential Mark Little was heavily involved as Lisnaskea moved into a 1-12 to 1-09 advantage, Kille again among the points but St. Pat's rallied in the latter stages and after Cadden left two between them, Marty O'Reilly had a goal chance that he blazed over the bar.
St. Pat's continued to press in added on time but Lisnaskea managed to hang on as Mark Henry's side reached their first senior championship final since 1994.
Derry Senior Football ChamionshipGlenullin
1-04 Banagher
1-12Quote from: theticklemister on September 04, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
Banagher v Glenullin. Probably the draw the 2 teams wanted. Glenullin were awful on Saturday. Their midfield was terrible therefore no balls went into the full forward line to cause damage.If PJ McCloskey can perform the way he did on Sunday then hopefully the same thing will happen against Banagher (says the Banagher men). Banagher showed a lot of fight to come from 5 behind with 15mins to go against Steelstown to win by 4. Glenullin were lucky against Loup the second day, and were caught out by Kelly and Patsy on Saturday, I think their lives are all used up. Going for a surprise and Banagher.
Banagher were 21/10 to win.
Down Senior Football Championship
Castlewellan 3-14 Downpatrick 1-08
Derry Senior Football Championship
Ballinascreen 0-09 Lavey 1-10
Armagh Senior Football Championship
Sarsfields 1-11 Carrickcruppen 0-14
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/324.jpg)
Tyrone Senior Football Championship
Coalisland 1-08 Carrickmore 1-12
Antrim Senior Football Championship
Semi Final:
Cargin 0-07 St Galls 2-09
Armagh Senior Football Championship
Pearse Óg 2-14 Ballymacnab 0-08
Semi Final Draw:
Pearse Óg v St Patricks Cullyhanna
Carrickcruppen or Sarsfields v Crossmaglen
Tyrone Senior Football Championship
Errigal Ciarán 1-10 Omagh 2-04
Tempo set up Final meeting with Lisnaskea
Tempo 1-11 Erne Gaels 1-04
Tempo eased their way into the Fermanagh SFC final with a seven point win over Erne Gaels at Brewster Park last night.
A tight first half saw John McElroy's Tempo outfit take a two point advantage into the break and they then hit 1-05 without reply in the first 15 minutes of the second half to put the game out of reach for Erne Gaels.
Both sides set up defensively going into the gameand although Tempo enjoyed the greater possession, they struggled to turn this into scores.
Ryan Lyons had knocked over the first point of thegame for the Belleek men but Tempo responded with points coming from Daryl Keenan, Damian Kelly and Thomas Campbell.
Lyons and Daniel McGullion levelled matters with scores for Erne Gaels but a Keenan free and a Ciaran McElroy point from play saw Tempo take a two point lead in at the interval.
Tempo though dominated the third quarter as they went on to more-or-less put the game to bed.
The excellent Keenan rattled over three points, including two from play, while Ryan Bogue also banged over a score before Thomas Campbell netted.
The impressive Damian Kelly broke forward and his miss-hit shot was palmed to the net by Campbell to make it 1-10 to 0-03.
It took 20 minutes for Erne Gaels to finally register in the second half, Seamus Ryder converting a free, and then Ryder fisted a Damian Lyons centre to the net to give his side a glimmer of hope.
However, Tempo regained control of matters and Keenan rattled over a free to leave seven between them at the finish as the Maguires progress to meet Lisnaskea in the final on Saturday September 29.
http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2012/09/09/397980-tempo-set-up-final-meeting-with-lisnaskea/
Derry Senior Football Championship
Dungiven 1-10 Coleraine 2-06
Down Senior Football Championship
Saval 1-10 Ballyholland 1-08
Down Senior Football Championship Draw
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Burren v Longstone
Mayobridge v Saval
Bryansford v Rostrevor
(http://www.savalgac.net/_/rsrc/1302516927591/history/saval%20crest%20-%20Copy.jpg?height=320&width=196)
Just after seeing this picture of Saval on their crest. Definitely going to go there some day.
Fermanagh SFC Final:
Lisnaskea vs Tempo Saturday 29th September
Cavan Hotel Kilmore Senior Football Championship
Saturday 15th September
Semi Final
Castlerahan v Kingscourt
Kingspan Breffni Park at 8pm
Referee: Joe McQuillan
Sunday 16th September
Semi-Final
Killygarry v Mullahoran
Kingspan Breffni Park at 4pm
Referee: Raymond Kelly
Sunday 7th October
Final
Castlerahan / Kingscourt V Killygarry / Mullahoran
Kingspan Breffni Park at TBC
Monaghan SFC Betting
Semi-Final Double header on Sunday at Tiernach Park in Clones
Clontibret 6/5 v Castleblayney 15/2
Latton 12/5 v Ballybay 12/5
Who is the betting on the Latton match with Sammy?!
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 11, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Monaghan SFC Betting
Semi-Final Double header on Sunday at Tiernach Park in Clones
Clontibret 6/5 v Castleblayney 15/2
Latton 12/5 v Ballybay 12/5
Neither of those games are priced properly...
Either you've made a mistake sammy or some bookies going to get destroyed....
Quote from: wildrover on September 11, 2012, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 11, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Monaghan SFC Betting
Semi-Final Double header on Sunday at Tiernach Park in Clones
Clontibret 6/5 v Castleblayney 15/2
Latton 12/5 v Ballybay 12/5
Neither of those games are priced properly...
Either you've made a mistake sammy or some bookies going to get destroyed....
Are they not odds to win the Championship outright?
Ballybay v Latton
evens 6/1 11/10
Derry Senior Football Championship
Loup 0-15 Kilrea 0-18
Derry Senior Football Championship Draw:
Banagher v Bellaghy
Lavey v Slaughtneil
Dungiven v Ballinderry
Kilrea v Magherafelt
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Kingscourt/Castlerahan/Killygarry/Mullahoran(Cavan) v Carrickmore/Errigal Ciarán/Killyclogher/Dromore(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Lisnaskea/Tempo(Fermanagh) v St Johns/St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Clontibret/Castleblayney/Ballybay/Latton(Monaghan) v Kilcoo/Castlewellan/Burren/Longstone/Mayobridge/Saval/Bryansford/Rostrevor(Down) (Clones)
(Carrickcruppen/Sarsfields)/Crossmaglen/Pearse Óg/Cullyhanna](Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Dungiven/Ballinderry/Lavey/Slaughtneil/Banagher/Bellaghy/Kilrea/Magherafelt(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Donegal will certainly struggle to finish their championship
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Quote from: wildrover on September 11, 2012, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 11, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Monaghan SFC Betting
Semi-Final Double header on Sunday at Tiernach Park in Clones
Clontibret 6/5 v Castleblayney 15/2
Latton 12/5 v Ballybay 12/5
Neither of those games are priced properly...
Either you've made a mistake sammy or some bookies going to get destroyed....
Are they not odds to win the Championship outright?
Yeah sorry outright odds
Cavan Hotel Kilmore Senior Football Championship
Saturday 15th September
Semi Final
Kingscourt 1-16 Castlerahan 1-6
Kingspan Breffni Park at 8pm
Referee: Joe McQuillan
Derry Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Ballinderry 0-11 Dungiven 0-08
Derry Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Slaughtneil 0-13 Lavey 1-05
Monaghan Senior Football Semi Final
Clontibret 1-11 Castleblayney 0-12
Armagh Senior Football Championship Quarter Final Replay
Carrickcruppen 4-10 Sarsfields 0-12
Carrickcruppen through to meet Crossmaglen in the Semi Final.
Cavan Senior Football Championship Semi Final
Mullahoran 0-14 Killygarry 1-09
Mullahoran v Kingscourt in the Final.
Monaghan Senior Football Semi Final
Ballybay 5-08 Latton 0-13
Derry Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Bellaghy 1-05 Banagher 1-09
Derry Senior Football Championship Quarter Final
Kilrea 1-08 Magherafelt 0-09
Derry Senior Football Semi Finals Draw
Ballinderry v Banagher
Slaughtneil v Kilrea
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Kingscourt/Mullahoran(Cavan) v Carrickmore/Errigal Ciarán/Killyclogher/Dromore(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Lisnaskea/Tempo(Fermanagh) v St Johns/St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Clontibret/Ballybay(Monaghan) v Kilcoo/Castlewellan/Burren/Longstone/Mayobridge/Saval/Bryansford/Rostrevor(Down) (Clones)
Pearse Óg/Cullyhanna/Carrickcruppen/Crossmaglen(Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Ballinderry/Banagher/Slaughtneil/Kilrea(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Burren v Ballinderry Final, money on it lads.
Would Mayorbridge not come out of Down this year? Burren have won it the last few years I think Derry Club football is very strong, into the last 4 anyone could win it, although ballinderry are always a strong outfit
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:13:22 PM
Would Mayorbridge not come out of Down this year? Burren have won it the last few years I think Derry Club football is very strong, into the last 4 anyone could win it, although ballinderry are always a strong outfit
IMO the Bridge have one last hurrah left in them and this year could be the year to do it in Down as Burren and Kilcoo haven't exactly been setting the world alight this season.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Big Guns???? Explain
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 17, 2012, 04:09:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Burren v Ballinderry Final, money on it lads.
;D You've not seen Ballinderry this year then? Pick of them two wouldn't beat Cross.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Big Guns???? Explain
Well Cross being one , assuming they win in Armagh of course, whoever come's out of Derry will no doubt be strong as will Tryone the Tyrone Champions.. Cavan and Donegal to a lesser extent,
Galls with a handy run on the other side in other words. That's if they win the Antrim Club final ;)
If Burren come out of Down, which I expect them to, they will win Ulster. You have to lose one to win one and they are hurting from last year. Felt they under performed.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2012, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 17, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
All the big guns in the one side of the draw in the Ulster Club, the same as the inter county Ulster Championship this year.
Big Guns???? Explain
Well Cross being one , assuming they win in Armagh of course, whoever come's out of Derry will no doubt be strong as will Tryone the Tyrone Champions.. Cavan and Donegal to a lesser extent,
Tyrone have (bar one team) really underperformed in the Ulster club Championship Cavan have been dung and Donegal ain't been great also. Ballinderry are still a decent team but not a shoe in yet for the Derry championship.
Burren will win Down and I noticed a club man of ours up watching the Cargin game, I hope he was there to cheer us on and not taking notes for (should Burren win) for a possible meeting in the Ulster club.
All ifs buts and maybes at this point, but worth a debate
Cavan teams have been dung I would agree, but it was usually Cavan Gaels who were representing Cavan.. Some of thier players were too good for the county and would only play with the Gaels. They won't be in the Co Final this year, its between Kingscourt - Mullahoran, Expect Kingscourt to win that, and they play the Tyrone champions in Breffni. I would expect them to give the tryone champs a good game, thats if of course they won in Cavan first.
Burren have a lot of work to do to get out of Down, its a bit of a minefield. I would see Kilcoo as their biggest threats rather than an ageing Mayobridge team.
If Burren do get out of Down they will give Ulster a good rattle.
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 17, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Burren have a lot of work to do to get out of Down, its a bit of a minefield. I would see Kilcoo as their biggest threats rather than an ageing Mayobridge team.
If Burren do get out of Down they will give Ulster a good rattle.
If Burren come out of Down I would nearly put them as slight favourites to win Ulster, easier side of the draw and a big point to prove that last year was simply a bad day at the office. We'll obviously be bookies favourites but there's many a slip twixt cup and lip!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 17, 2012, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 17, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Burren have a lot of work to do to get out of Down, its a bit of a minefield. I would see Kilcoo as their biggest threats rather than an ageing Mayobridge team.
If Burren do get out of Down they will give Ulster a good rattle.
If Burren come out of Down I would nearly put them as slight favourites to win Ulster, easier side of the draw and a big point to prove that last year was simply a bad day at the office. We'll obviously be bookies favourites but there's many a slip twixt cup and lip!
A bit early to be writting yourselves off again BC1 ::)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 17, 2012, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 17, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Burren have a lot of work to do to get out of Down, its a bit of a minefield. I would see Kilcoo as their biggest threats rather than an ageing Mayobridge team.
If Burren do get out of Down they will give Ulster a good rattle.
If Burren come out of Down I would nearly put them as slight favourites to win Ulster, easier side of the draw and a big point to prove that last year was simply a bad day at the office. We'll obviously be bookies favourites but there's many a slip twixt cup and lip!
A bit early to be writting yourselves off again BC1 ::)
Not writing ud off, have stated that we will rightly be bookies favourites but we are on the tougher side of the draw and have a lot of football played in the last 3 years.
Not too sure if the Fermanagh SFC final between Lisnaskea and Tempo will take place on Saturday the 29th.
It is very much up in the air at the minute
Quote from: FermGael on September 19, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
Not too sure if the Fermanagh SFC final between Lisnaskea and Tempo will take place on Saturday the 29th.
It is very much up in the air at the minute
I'd say the last thing on players minds at the minute would be a football match, final or not a lot of people won't be focused on it at all
According to the official Fermanagh gaa twitter feed the game goes ahead as scheduled.
Tyrone Senior Football Semi Final
Dromore 0-05 Killyclogher 0-05
Armagh Senior Football Semi Final
Pearse Óg 0-18 St Patricks Cullyhanna 0-08
Wtf happened Dromore? had them in a accum, they had been going well for me before this... thought they were certs today..
Any up to date betting on the club c'ship?
Burren are gone in Down! Longstone beat them tonight by 2 in an absolute classic in Newry.
Frank Dawson's old proteges came back to haunt him.
QuoteBurren are gone in Down!
Who is BCB going to talk up now?
St Galls favourites for Ulster now!
Tyrone down to 2, Dromore through to county finall against Errigal after beating Killyclogher.
St Galls are Antrim champions.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
QuoteBurren are gone in Down!
Who is BCB going to talk up now?
Ballinderry's to lose now.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 29, 2012, 03:37:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 28, 2012, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
QuoteBurren are gone in Down!
Who is BCB going to talk up now?
Ballinderry's to lose now.
your spoon isn't big enough !!
What???? I thought Burren would have pulled out the win in Down and gone on to the Ulster Final with a bit of ease given the fact they are on the easier side of the draw. I don't see Mayobridge or the Magpies pushing on in Ulster just as easy if they win Down. Ballinderry will win Derry and given the talent they have and by all accounts the training they have been doing they are the team to beat. I have said it before and will say it again it will be a monumental achievement for our boys to win it again. Getting out of Armagh will be a big enough struggle as Ogs are flying it and we are basically skin of ou shorts stuff at the minute. There will be at least 4 players who started the AI final not available for the county final and 2 very strong possibilities of not being available. I don't care how strong any team is but that is a huge cut on player availability.
Aye Burren were on the easier side of the draw but sure we'll try and give it another go, and Cross to do us over again should we meet.
Og's also have a big player out at the minute so pretty even
He's been a bit of a bit-player for Og's this year anyway so although a huge loss, they'd have got to where they are now without him and can certainly beat Cross without him. That said Cross can certainly beat Ogs without their absentees.
Whack a few scores in here:
Carrickmore 0-09 Errigal Ciarán 1-07
Dromore 2-06 Killyclogher 0-06 Replay
Crossmaglen 1-16 Carrickcruppen 3-07
Mayobridge 0-17 Saval 1-11
Burren 2-08 Longstone 1-13
St Galls 1-11 St Johns 1-05 Final
Donegal Senior Football Championship 1st Round 1st Leg
An Clochán Liath 0-10 Cloch Cheann Fhaola 0-07
Gaeil Fhánada 1-07 Na Cealla Beaga 0-10
DSFC
Ballinderry 1-5 v 0-08 Banagher - 15 mins left
Derry Senior Football Championship
Ballinderry 1-08 Banagher 0-10
Down Senior Football Championship
Bryansford 1-10 Rostrevor 0-08
Tempo Maguires will be Fermanagh's representatives after beating Lisnaskea 0-15 to 1-4.
Down Senior Football Championship
Kilcoo 0-14 Castlewellan 0-11
Down Semi Final Draw
Longstone v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Bryansford
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Kingscourt/Mullahoran(Cavan) v Errigal Ciarán/Dromore(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) v St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Clontibret/Ballybay(Monaghan) v Longstone/Mayobridge/Kilcoo/Bryansford(Down) (Clones)
Ballinderry/Slaughtneil/Kilrea(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Pearse Óg/Crossmaglen(Armagh) v Naomh Conaill/Naomh Naille/Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha/Naomh Mícheál/Seán Mac Cumhaill/Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne/Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí/An Clochán Liath/Cloch Cheann Fhaola/Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga/Gaoth Dobhair/Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 28, 2012, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
QuoteBurren are gone in Down!
Who is BCB going to talk up now?
Ballinderry's to lose now.
It's been said a win for Pearse Óg in the Armagh final will be good for Ulster football.
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 29, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
Tempo Maguires will be Fermanagh's representatives after beating Lisnaskea 0-15 to 1-4.
Tempo's nearly Tyrone.
Will Pearce Og :P get a bye or do Donegal have a fixture list which will get their championship finished on time?
how does the donegal championship work? is there just the first round that has two legs?
Quote from: eddie d on September 29, 2012, 11:19:38 PM
how does the donegal championship work? is there just the first round that has two legs?
Aye. Win Win, Win Draw or Draw Win gets a team through to the Quarter Finals (which are straight knock out).
Win Lose, Lose Win or Draw Draw result in a third match being played off at a neutral venue to decide who goes through to the Quarter Finals.
Quote from: drici on September 29, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: eddie d on September 29, 2012, 11:19:38 PM
how does the donegal championship work? is there just the first round that has two legs?
Aye. Win Win, Win Draw or Draw Win gets a team through to the Quarter Finals (which are straight knock out).
Win Lose, Lose Win or Draw Draw result in a third match being played off at a neutral venue to decide who goes through to the Quarter Finals.
cheers
Cavan county final ends a draw. Mullahoran 1-08 Kingscourt 1-08
Donegal Senior Football Championship
1st Round 1st Legs
Naomh Conaill 1-09 Naomh Naille 0-03
Naomh Adhamhnáin 1-05 Cill Chartha 1-08
Naomh Mícheál 3-19 Seán Mac Cumhaill 1-06
Bun Dobhráin 2-10 Gleann Fhinne 0-09
Ard a' Rátha 0-07 Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-09
An Clochán Liath 0-10 Cloch Cheann Fhaola 0-07
Gaeil Fhánada 1-07 Na Cealla Beaga 0-10
Gaoth Dobhair 0-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-09
Ulster Club Football Championship Admission Prices
Senior Games
General Admission: €12/£10
Senior Citizen: €8/£7
Intermediate & Junior Games
General Admission: €10/£8
Senior Citizen: €7/£5
Boylesports Ulster Club Championship
Crossmaglen Rangers 6/4
St Galls 11/4
Pearse Ogs 11/2
Ballinderry 8/1
Dromore 14/1
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
Mayobridge 25/1
Ballybay 25/1
Slaughtneil 28/1
Clontibret 28/1
Kilrea 33/1
Kilcoo 33/1
Bryansford 40/1
Kingscourt 45/1
Longstone 50/1
Tempo 50/1
Naomh Conaill 50/1
Mullahoran 80/1
I hope yez didn't lump everything on Cross' at 4/5 as advocated some pages back.
Down Senior Football Semi Final
Kilcoo 1-11 Bryansford 0-13
Derry Senior Football Semi Final
Kilrea 1-13 Slaughtneil 0-16
Donegal Senior Football Championship
1st Round
Naomh Conaill 1-09 Naomh Naille 0-03
Naomh Naille 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-12
Naomh Mícheál 3-19 Seán Mac Cumhaill 1-06
Seán Mac Cumhaill 1-08 Naomh Mícheál 1-15
An Clochán Liath 0-10 Cloch Cheann Fhaola 0-07
Cloch Cheann Fhaola 0-09 An Clochán Liath 1-09
Gaeil Fhánada 1-07 Na Cealla Beaga 0-10
Na Cealla Beaga 0-10 Gaeil Fhánada 1-07 3rd match required
Donegal Senior Football Championship
1st Round
Naomh Adhamhnáin 1-05 Cill Chartha 1-08
Cill Chartha 0-10 Naomh Adhamhnáin 1-12 3rd game required
Bun Dobhráin 2-10 Gleann Fhinne 0-09
Gleann Fhinne 2-09 Bun Dobhráin 1-11 3rd game required
Ard a' Rátha 0-07 Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-09
Na Ceithre Maistirí 1-07 Ard a' Rátha 0-11 3rd game required
Gaoth Dobhair 0-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-09
Gleann tSuilí 2-09 Gaoth Dobhair 0-07
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Final Draw:
Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha v Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga
Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí v Naomh Mícheál
An Clochán Liath v Gleann tSuilí
Naomh Conaill v Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne
Tyrone Senior Football Final
Dromore 0-08 Errigal Ciarán 0-13
Quote from: drici on October 07, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Tyrone Senior Football Final
Dromore 0-08 Errigal Ciarán 0-13
Is that a result?
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 07, 2012, 04:57:15 PM
Quote from: drici on October 07, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Tyrone Senior Football Final
Dromore 0-08 Errigal Ciarán 0-13
Is that a result?
Yep
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/364.jpg?t=1349625684)
Cavan Senior Football Final Replay
Kingscourt 0-07 Mullahoran 1-08
Down Senior Football Semi Final
Mayobridge 4-15 Longstone 1-10
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) v Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) v St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Clontibret/Ballybay(Monaghan) v Mayobridge/Kilcoo(Down) (Clones)
Ballinderry/Slaughtneil/Kilrea(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Pearse Óg/Crossmaglen(Armagh) v (Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha)/(Gaeil Fhánada/Na Cealla Beaga)/(Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí)/Naomh Mícheál/An Clochán Liath/Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Conaill/(Bun Dobhráin/Gleann Fhinne)(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Cross will be nervous at Errigal getting through. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on October 08, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
Cross will be nervous at Errigal getting through. ;)
I don't think that Cross team do nervous.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 08, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
Cross will be nervous at Errigal getting through. ;)
Pearse Ogs will be even more nervous!
Quote from: EC Unique on October 08, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
Cross will be nervous at Errigal getting through. ;)
I doubt that somehow. It's hard to see anyone in Ulster beating them this year.
Haven't watched much of the Armagh SFC i'm guessing yellowcard? I have to say i'll be amazed if Cross go all the way to another AI this year, they may get another Ulster, as all the teams in Ulster seem totally intimidated. I've never seen Cross looking as ropey, huge holes @ CHB & another now @ FB, Ogs will quite rightly fancy themselves but i'm not so sure.
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
I'd say a few Errigal lads will take a bit of that.
Any big names on that Errigal team? Not really full of county players like the team they had in the Ulster Club a few years ago. Dromore were favs to beat Errigal so it was a of a shock result. Canavan got most of the players againt Dromore
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Any big names on that Errigal team? Not really full of county players like the team they had in the Ulster Club a few years ago. Dromore were favs to beat Errigal so it was a of a shock result. Canavan got most of the players againt Dromore
John Devine, Pete Harte, Davy Harte, Enda McGinley would all be 'big names' but the rest of the team are not bad either. Canavan does not manage us anymore. Ronan McGuckian from Balinderry is the boss now. 20-1 is attractive.
Yeah I meant Canavan did most of the scoring against Dromore from what I heard. Thomas Canavan is it?
Forget all the harte's, should have known they were from Errigal being Mickey Hartes team. Actually it looks a very good team, and ye should have enough to beat Mullahoran. Very limited team, Stop Paul brady and Mullahoran are lost. Excellent player. Enda Reilly is very good from free's and Dermot Sheridan, Mickey Brady are good in the half back line. They have a solid defence , average midfield and not many scoring forwards bar Enda Reilly.
20/1 does looks decent.
Rodney is that the handballer Paul Brady?
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 09, 2012, 01:02:02 PM
Rodney is that the handballer Paul Brady?
Yeah thats him, he is flying off to Canada tomorrow to play for the Irish hanball team. I'm not exactly sure if he would be even available for that Ulster Club match.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Any big names on that Errigal team? Not really full of county players like the team they had in the Ulster Club a few years ago. Dromore were favs to beat Errigal so it was a of a shock result. Canavan got most of the players againt Dromore
John Devine, Pete Harte, Davy Harte, Enda McGinley would all be 'big names' but the rest of the team are not bad either. Canavan does not manage us anymore. Ronan McGuckian from Balinderry is the boss now. 20-1 is attractive.
Yeah I just read the match report of the Tyrone final, Probaly should have done that before saying ye hadn't many "big name players" ha... Ronan and Aidan McCrory are also on that team, very strong outfit. Should Errigal not be winning regular County titles with that line up of players?, although the Dromore side wasn't bad either.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
You can back them at 1/2 this weekend. For talk sake let's say they go off 1/3 against the Donegal champions?
Already you have your even money in the bag after two matches.
Even if they go off shorter against the Donegal champs you will get a better price against the winners of Tyrone/Derry (sorry Cavan).
Anyone who backs at evens now needs their head looked at. No value at all.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Any big names on that Errigal team? Not really full of county players like the team they had in the Ulster Club a few years ago. Dromore were favs to beat Errigal so it was a of a shock result. Canavan got most of the players againt Dromore
John Devine, Pete Harte, Davy Harte, Enda McGinley would all be 'big names' but the rest of the team are not bad either. Canavan does not manage us anymore. Ronan McGuckian from Balinderry is the boss now. 20-1 is attractive.
Yeah I just read the match report of the Tyrone final, Probaly should have done that before saying ye hadn't many "big name players" ha... Ronan and Aidan McCrory are also on that team, very strong outfit. Should Errigal not be winning regular County titles with that line up of players?, although the Dromore side wasn't bad either.
Errigal would be on the hardest side of the draw, having to win against the Derry, Armagh champions to get to final. 20/1 is a realist price
Also don't be taking evens when Ladbrokes are giving 6/4.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Any big names on that Errigal team? Not really full of county players like the team they had in the Ulster Club a few years ago. Dromore were favs to beat Errigal so it was a of a shock result. Canavan got most of the players againt Dromore
John Devine, Pete Harte, Davy Harte, Enda McGinley would all be 'big names' but the rest of the team are not bad either. Canavan does not manage us anymore. Ronan McGuckian from Balinderry is the boss now. 20-1 is attractive.
Yeah I just read the match report of the Tyrone final, Probaly should have done that before saying ye hadn't many "big name players" ha... Ronan and Aidan McCrory are also on that team, very strong outfit. Should Errigal not be winning regular County titles with that line up of players?, although the Dromore side wasn't bad either.
Errigal would be on the hardest side of the draw, having to win against the Derry, Armagh champions to get to final. 20/1 is a realist price
They are indeed, but I thought you said there wasn't much difference a few pages back?
They as I said are the only decent team with any record from Tyrone who have won Ulster, when was the last time? They have a couple players from that but I think they might struggle from that side of the draw. Ballinderry are stronger and of course Cross are there also.
That's why I said the price is about right, they would have been a better price had they been on the other side of the draw
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
They as I said are the only decent team with any record from Tyrone who have won Ulster, when was the last time? They have a couple players from that but I think they might struggle from that side of the draw. Ballinderry are stronger and of course Cross are there also.
That's why I said the price is about right, they would have been a better price had they been on the other side of the draw
mind being down in clones on an oul wet day when they managed to beat bellaghy i think it was 96??? I think they stole it from the beally if i mind right???
Quote from: theticklemister on October 09, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
They as I said are the only decent team with any record from Tyrone who have won Ulster, when was the last time? They have a couple players from that but I think they might struggle from that side of the draw. Ballinderry are stronger and of course Cross are there also.
That's why I said the price is about right, they would have been a better price had they been on the other side of the draw
mind being down in clones on an oul wet day when they managed to beat bellaghy i think it was 96??? I think they stole it from the beally if i mind right???
The only time I remember playing Bellaghy was in the ulster final in 2000 I think it was. They beat us. The 2 ulster titles were in 1993 and 2002. Left a couple of others behind us :-\
We have played cross 4 times and they have not beaten us........yet. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2012, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 09, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
They as I said are the only decent team with any record from Tyrone who have won Ulster, when was the last time? They have a couple players from that but I think they might struggle from that side of the draw. Ballinderry are stronger and of course Cross are there also.
That's why I said the price is about right, they would have been a better price had they been on the other side of the draw
Hoof hearted may be able to help us out, Bellaghy won Derry from 98-00, so maybe it is one of those years. I'm sure as a wain going to clones and errigal beating bellaghy, maybe it was 2000. I just got the wrong team who won! Just doubled checked there, Bellaghy were Ulster champions, they must of beat you that day in Clones!
mind being down in clones on an oul wet day when they managed to beat bellaghy i think it was 96??? I think they stole it from the beally if i mind right???
The only time I remember playing Bellaghy was in the ulster final in 2000 I think it was. They beat us. The 2 ulster titles were in 1993 and 2002. Left a couple of others behind us :-\
We have played cross 4 times and they have not beaten us........yet. ;)
Team Winner Winning Years Last Losing Final
1 Crossmaglen Rangers 9 1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011. N/A
2 Burren 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988 2011
3 Bellaghy 4 1968, 1971, 1994, 2000 1998
Scotstown 4 1978, 1979, 1980, 1989 1985
5 Clan na Gael 3 1972, 1973, 1974 1971
St. Galls 3 1982, 2005, 2009 2007
7 Bryansford 2 1969, 1970 N/A
Ballinderry 2 1981, 2001 2008
Castleblayney 2 1986, 1991 1975
Lavey 2 1990, 1992 N/A
Errigal Ciarán 2 1993, 2002 2000
12 St. Joseph's 1 1975 1973
Ballerin 1 1976 N/A
St. John's 1 1977 1984
Mullabawn 1 1995 N/A
Dungiven 1 1997 N/A
An Lúb 1 2003 2009
By county
# County Ulster Titles Last Ulster winners
1 Armagh clubs 13 Crossmaglen Rangers, 2011
2 Derry clubs 11 An Lúb, 2003
3 Down clubs 6 Burren, 1988
Monaghan clubs 6 Castleblayney, 1991
5 Antrim clubs 4 St. Galls, 2009
6 Tyrone clubs 2 Errigal Ciarán, 2002
7 Donegal clubs 1 St. Josephs, 1975
Derry Senior Football Semi Final
Slaughtneil 1-10 Kilrea 0-06
Slaughtneil v Ballinderry in the Final.
Donegal Senior Football Championship 1st Round Play Offs
Na Cealla Beaga 1-13 Gaeil Fhánada 0-10
Gleann Fhinne 0-08 Bun Dobhráin 1-11
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Revised Quarter Final Draw:
Naomh Adhamhnáin/Cill Chartha v Na Cealla Beaga
Ard a' Rátha/Na Ceithre Maistirí v Naomh Mícheál
An Clochán Liath v Gleann tSuilí
Naomh Conaill v Bun Dobhráin
i believe errigal at 20's is a massive price considering ballinderry and cross arent firing on all cylinders and tyrone teams never easy to beat i'll have a punt on them
great value errigal at 20s was in to have a punt on them today
Quote from: manballandall on October 11, 2012, 03:55:47 PM
i believe errigal at 20's is a massive price considering ballinderry and cross arent firing on all cylinders and tyrone teams never easy to beat i'll have a punt on them
WUM ::)
Donegal Senior Football Championship 1st Round Play Offs
Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-12 Ard a' Rátha 0-05
Cill Chartha 2-05 Naomh Adhamhnáin 2-08
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Revised Quarter Final Draw:
Naomh Adhamhnáin v Na Cealla Beaga
Na Ceithre Maistirí v Naomh Mícheál
An Clochán Liath v Gleann tSuilí
Naomh Conaill v Bun Dobhráin
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
The Derry final between Ballinderry and Slaughtneil will be very tight. I can't see how the two are priced so differently for Ulster. It took two matches for Cross to get the better of Slaughtneil the last time they played and even then it was only by a point. I tried to put a bet on Slaughtneil this evening, but neither PP nor Ladbrokes have any odds available that I can find. And Boylesports don't even mention Slaughtneil in their list of contenders. Are there any bookies on here prepared to take my £20 at 40/1 on Slaughtneil for Ulster?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 13, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
The Derry final between Ballinderry and Slaughtneil will be very tight. I can't see how the two are priced so differently for Ulster. It took two matches for Cross to get the better of Slaughtneil the last time they played and even then it was only by a point. I tried to put a bet on Slaughtneil this evening, but neither PP nor Ladbrokes have any odds available that I can find. And Boylesports don't even mention Slaughtneil in their list of contenders. Are there any bookies on here prepared to take my £20 at 40/1 on Slaughtneil for Ulster?
I'll take it, is this now before the Derry final?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 13, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 09, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2012, 11:08:11 PM
What players are Cross without? 4 gone to Australia , were they all regulars.. They are 1/2 to win Sunday
That's great odds for them. They have "drifted" to that.
Evens for Ulster is the best bet.
Crossmaglen evens
Kilcoo 18/1
Slaughtneil 40/1
St Galls 11/4
Errigal Ciaran 20/1
St Michaels 40/1
Pearse Og 13/2
Ballybay 22/1
Mullahoran 50/1
Ballinderry 13/2
Clontibret 33/1
Tempo 66/1
Mayobridge 8/1
Naomh Conaill 33/1
The Derry final between Ballinderry and Slaughtneil will be very tight. I can't see how the two are priced so differently for Ulster. It took two matches for Cross to get the better of Slaughtneil the last time they played and even then it was only by a point. I tried to put a bet on Slaughtneil this evening, but neither PP nor Ladbrokes have any odds available that I can find. And Boylesports don't even mention Slaughtneil in their list of contenders. Are there any bookies on here prepared to take my £20 at 40/1 on Slaughtneil for Ulster?
I'll take it, is this now before the Derry final?
Good man MR2. It's before the Derry final yes. I'll PM you details.
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 09:39:00 PM
Milltown, are you really taking this bet?
Honestly? think about the draw they have, first beat Ballinderry, be a fair even enough game on it's own, then beat the the Tryone champions then the winners of Donegal/Armagh champions, just to get to the final whoever wins thon battle deserves 800 quid
Would anyone be overly surprised to see Ballinderry win the Ulster title? Would anyone be surprised if Sneil beat Ballinderry? That's my logic. Were St Gall's not big odds when they won their Ulster against Bellaghy?
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Good luck.....
They are 40/1 for a reason
Do you think they are worth a punt?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 13, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Would anyone be overly surprised to see Ballinderry win the Ulster title? Would anyone be surprised if Sneil beat Ballinderry? That's my logic. Were St Gall's not big odds when they won their Ulster against Bellaghy?
St Galls were 6/4 not really big odds if truth be told and the last time the played Derry champions The Loup we beat them in the first half? It's not that I don't think they are a decent team just hard draw real hard
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 09:51:16 PM
If I were milltown, I'd back away from this but hey, maybe he often sticks £800 on 1/40 shots.
Thats a way to look at HS but could be a free twenty quid after 5 o'clock tomorrow.
William Hill are offering 25/1 now so that bet may have to change
They shouldn't be nearly six time the price of Ballinderry. St Gall's were a lot more than 6/4 when the competition started. William Hill is clearly reading this thread.
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
William Hill are offering 25/1 now so that bet may have to change
Sounds like yer balls are starting to drop off, milltown. Can't blame you though. I think that's risky.
My balls are fine thanks, the 40/1 was a price I put up before the Kilrea/Slaughtneil game cousre the price would drop, I've an account with William hill so be fooking stupid not to check. champion has not check all the markets of course, I'd have laid it off anyways at 40/1, only a dick would take it at that price
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
You already said that you'd take the bet. That means you have now called yourself a dick. I wouldn't say that but I think you are certainly foolish.
Does the bet stand?
I've called myself a dick? He stated he couldn't find the bet? his problem no mine, what dick takes nearly double the odds when its not there? You might not have a flutter, I punt most weeks and would never punt on something without looking into it.
Does the bet stand? you really are a silly boy
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
Then, only a dick would lay a bet at double the odds.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 13, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Are there any bookies on here prepared to take my £20 at 40/1 on Slaughtneil for Ulster?
I'll take it, is this now before the Derry final?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:11:36 PM
only a dick would take it at that price
He was making his own odds up ffs. Do you have that much of a hard on for me to keep this silly thing going? He couldn't find a bookies, didn't look hard enough, then when I checked odds they were nearly half, so the bet changes right away. You get out much?
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:45:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
I don't really follow. You were taking a bet at very overpriced odds. Laying it off would have proved difficult, no?
I was taking it, had those odds been right, obviously they weren't, so what's your problem?
Lol...dug yourself a wee hole there MR2. Take a bet at 40/1 then lay it off with odds of 20/1...more maths skills lessons needed ;)
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
I just find it strange that you jumped in and said that you'd take the bet before you went and checked the real odds.
That's like me asking the forum if anyone would let me have £20 on Loughgiel tomorrow at 100/1 and you accepting the bet and then going to the PP website to check it out.
That's just mental.
HS I'd never do it nor would any eejit be doing it at those odds, you are looking a wind up when there is none
Be mental to actually do the bet without checking, this is a forum after all, not a bookies. I will take the bet at 25/1 which is the proper odds.
Manballandall, can you give me some bookie lessons? I hear Handball is a great sport to win money on :o
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2012, 12:51:41 AM
Milltown, I am half joking here but you jumped in with both feet and told Champion The Wonder Horse that you would accept his bet. I thought you were off your head and even asked you if you were really taking the bet.
As for betting on handball, I reckon there is money to be made on the world championships if only I could find somebody to give me odds. Would you give me 3/1 on Aisling Reilly to win the ladies open? They are probably fair odds too.
Not that type of handball HS, the other game
Scrappy enough game in Armagh, but Cross goals keep them ahead 2-03 0-07
Quote from: armaghniac on October 14, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
Scrappy enough game in Armagh, but Cross goals keep them ahead 2-03 0-07
Aye lot of off the ball stuff going on
Game over 3-7 to 0-11
Ballybay end a 25 year hiatus with a dominant performance from start to finish, to win the Monaghan senior championship by 4 points against Clontibret.
A gifted goal and a late goal for Clontibret made it look closer than it was.
Yeah fair play to ballybay. Played a great game. 4 points flattered clontibret. Thought ballybay might regret some missed chances in 1st half but they just pushed on even more after the break. Well done
Goals win games was certainly the case in the Armagh final today. Well done to Crossmaglen and they should go on to win another Ulster title.
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Finals:
Naomh Adhamhnáin 2-15 Na Cealla Beaga 0-07
Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-09 Naomh Mícheál 0-09
An Clochán Liath 2-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-08
Naomh Conaill 1-10 Bun Dobhráin 0-05
Semi Final Draw:
An Clochán Liath v Naomh Adhamhnáin
Naomh Conaill v Na Ceithre Maistirí/Naomh Mícheál
40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Congrats lad. Great club.
are ye not sick if celebrating. What would a night of celebrating consist of in cross after lifting an armagh coumty title???
Armagh Senior Football Final
Crossmaglen 3-09 Pearse Óg 0-11
Monaghan Senior Football Final
Ballybay 1-12 Clontibret 2-05
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) v Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) v St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) v Mayobridge/Kilcoo(Down) (Clones)
Ballinderry/Slaughtneil(Derry) v Cavan/Tyrone (Derry v Cavan - Celtic Park Derry v Tyrone - Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Naomh Adhamhnáin/An Clochán Liath/(Na Ceithre Maistirí/Naomh Mícheál)/Naomh Conaill(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Cavan/Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Do not be so grumpy! Thought Cross were not at their best but still Won. A credit to themselves. Pity a few more clubs in the county could not get closer to their standard. On saying that I thought Ogs Conor Clarke was man of match.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 14, 2012, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Do not be so grumpy! Thought Cross were not at their best but still Won. A credit to themselves. Pity a few more clubs in the county could not get closer to their standard. On saying that I thought Ogs Conor Clarke was man of match.
Not grumpy but some very dubious stuff happened today and while never shy from the fact that we have been cynical over the years I saw at least 3 clear deliberate punches to the face on our boys with 2 of them directly in view of either a lines man or the ref. Anyway, Cups back where she belongs and the plans will begin for the Donegal champs now.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 14, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
Congrats lad. Great club.
are ye not sick if celebrating. What would a night of celebrating consist of in cross after lifting an armagh coumty title???
How would ye get sick of celebrating? I wouldn't be to most after match celebrations bar the Ulster or AI as I am not in the town anymore. The lads will go out tonight and maybe tomorrow but it won't be anything wild. They will be in the field Tuesday night and then that's that till Ulster is over.
Quote from: drici on October 14, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Finals:
Naomh Adhamhnáin 2-15 Na Cealla Beaga 0-07
Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-09 Naomh Mícheál 0-09
An Clochán Liath 2-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-08
Naomh Conaill 1-10 Bun Dobhráin 0-05
jesus, dungloe boys runnin' things. didn't see that coming.
Semi Final Draw:
An Clochán Liath v Naomh Adhamhnáin
Naomh Conaill v Na Ceithre Maistirí/Naomh Mícheál
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 14, 2012, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Do not be so grumpy! Thought Cross were not at their best but still Won. A credit to themselves. Pity a few more clubs in the county could not get closer to their standard. On saying that I thought Ogs Conor Clarke was man of match.
Not grumpy but some very dubious stuff happened today and while never shy from the fact that we have been cynical over the years I saw at least 3 clear deliberate punches to the face on our boys with 2 of them directly in view of either a lines man or the ref. Anyway, Cups back where she belongs and the plans will begin for the Donegal champs now.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 14, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
Congrats lad. Great club.
are ye not sick if celebrating. What would a night of celebrating consist of in cross after lifting an armagh coumty title???
How would ye get sick of celebrating? I wouldn't be to most after match celebrations bar the Ulster or AI as I am not in the town anymore. The lads will go out tonight and maybe tomorrow but it won't be anything wild. They will be in the field Tuesday night and then that's that till Ulster is over.
More than JJ Clarke will do, the lad in dundonald with his jaw fractured in two places, the abuse he took today was shocking, even more shocking the officials failing to do anything about it!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
And I won't be. Your behaviour on this thread has been odd. I didn't make any odds up. I quoted your post. In my opinion, you took a bet and now have no intention of honouring it. That's fine. Not worth getting heated up over. My account is with Paddy Power and they didn't have odds for Ulster. They don't even mention Sneil for All-Ireland. Ladbrokes didn't have odds either. Even at 25/1 Slaughtneil are over-priced, I still will put £20 on them, not with you though.
We were the same odds today to beat Portaferry as Slaughtneil are to beat Ballinderry. Bookies can be out on the odd occasion also.
It looks like Cross will take some stopping though.
Quote from: Cold tea on October 14, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 14, 2012, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 14, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Do not be so grumpy! Thought Cross were not at their best but still Won. A credit to themselves. Pity a few more clubs in the county could not get closer to their standard. On saying that I thought Ogs Conor Clarke was man of match.
Not grumpy but some very dubious stuff happened today and while never shy from the fact that we have been cynical over the years I saw at least 3 clear deliberate punches to the face on our boys with 2 of them directly in view of either a lines man or the ref. Anyway, Cups back where she belongs and the plans will begin for the Donegal champs now.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 14, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
Congrats lad. Great club.
are ye not sick if celebrating. What would a night of celebrating consist of in cross after lifting an armagh coumty title???
How would ye get sick of celebrating? I wouldn't be to most after match celebrations bar the Ulster or AI as I am not in the town anymore. The lads will go out tonight and maybe tomorrow but it won't be anything wild. They will be in the field Tuesday night and then that's that till Ulster is over.
More than JJ Clarke will do, the lad in dundonald with his jaw fractured in two places, the abuse he took today was shocking, even more shocking the officials failing to do anything about it!
I hope the lad is ok but as I said above there was a lot of it going on. A few of our lads are lucky they were not sitting beside him.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 14, 2012, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
And I won't be. Your behaviour on this thread has been odd. I didn't make any odds up. I quoted your post. In my opinion, you took a bet and now have no intention of honouring it. That's fine. Not worth getting heated up over. My account is with Paddy Power and they didn't have odds for Ulster. They don't even mention Sneil for All-Ireland. Ladbrokes didn't have odds either. Even at 25/1 Slaughtneil are over-priced, I still will put £20 on them, not with you though.
We were the same odds today to beat Portaferry as Slaughtneil are to beat Ballinderry. Bookies can be out on the odd occasion also.
It looks like Cross will take some stopping though.
Odd? you quoted my post, which was before the semi final, you didn't even check any bookies other than PP and Ladbrooks which is odd as you said you couldn't find the odds anywhere!! But sure I have already said I'd take it at the proper odds of 25/1.
There was an awful dirt today, both sides were at it & up for it, & you'd have to have a fair bit of cheek to be clambering for any moral high ground imo. Very enjoyable all the same, Shorty Clarke put in some shift alrite, had to be MOTM. Cross won because Jamie Clarke played.
Some of Jamie Clarke's touches were unreal, he's a class act. Credit to Ogs for going at it hard from the start, but Cross's forwards carved them up for 3 goals and that was that - they have a lot of pace and power in their forwards. Sorry to hear a lad got his jaw broke - but it wasn't one-sided when it came to the hard hitting on or off the ball.
BCB in some ways I can understand what you were on about as there was one particular Ogs player who seemed to be on a mission of distruction. Apart from that it was 50:50 as regards the hitting. On saying that I do not think the game would have been considered overly dirty in many counties and I am sure you are old enough to remember when the game was a lot rougher.
The ref did a good job today in trying circumstances, good to see playacting not being rewarded for a change.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 14, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
BCB in some ways I can understand what you were on about as there was one particular Ogs player who seemed to be on a mission of distruction. Apart from that it was 50:50 as regards the hitting. On saying that I do not think the game would have been considered overly dirty in many counties and I am sure you are old enough to remember when the game was a lot rougher.
Had he been red carded when he should have maybe the rest mightnt have happened - inept officials - ffs the ref couldnt keep up with the play, surely there are fitness tests for these guys!
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
There was an awful dirt today, both sides were at it & up for it, & you'd have to have a fair bit of cheek to be clambering for any moral high ground imo. Very enjoyable all the same, Shorty Clarke put in some shift alrite, had to be MOTM. Cross won because Jamie Clarke played.
Would never portray us as whiter than white but what did annoy me were 2 incidents, one in full view of the ref and the other beside the linesman where 2 of our lads were openly struck in the face as they were on the ground. The officials saw them and ignored them. As I say though we give and take in equal measure but we had more cutting edge today, simple as that and we actually didn't even play overly well. The full back line and Hearty were the best of our players on the field.
Throwball I agree. The player you refer to is the hardest man in his own house and that's about it. He was involved in one of the incidents I refer to above and in reality he is not even that tough anyway. The game was a niggly game with lots of pulling and dragging but few real hard belts. Certainly a lot tamer than some games I remember!
Aaron Kernan punched a man in the bake twice right in front of us in the first, they were tame enough to be fair, but as Eamon Coleman used to say........ The JP/aherne tackle was poor stuff, other than that it wasn't that major.
I'd agree Cross were poor, Jamie made all the difference, the 3rd goal broke Ogs spirit, up until that point i thought they were much the better team.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
Aaron Kernan punched a man in the bake twice right in front of us in the first, they were tame enough to be fair, but as Eamon Coleman used to say........ The JP/aherne tackle was poor stuff, other than that it wasn't that major.
I'd agree Cross were poor, Jamie made all the difference, the 3rd goal broke Ogs spirit, up until that point i thought they were much the better team.
Tell JJ that !
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
There was an awful dirt today, both sides were at it & up for it, & you'd have to have a fair bit of cheek to be clambering for any moral high ground imo. Very enjoyable all the same, Shorty Clarke put in some shift alrite, had to be MOTM. Cross won because Jamie Clarke played.
Agree with all of this. Very good entertainment even if neither side played as well as they could have. Whatever about the dirty stuff, there were some unreal honest hits over the sixty minutes. JP's scud on Hanratty was one of the best I've ever seen. Ogs were probably the better team between the two 21s but they just couldn't get ball to stick in the FF line, while at the other end Jamie Clarke was unplayable.
Quote from: AFS on October 14, 2012, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
There was an awful dirt today, both sides were at it & up for it, & you'd have to have a fair bit of cheek to be clambering for any moral high ground imo. Very enjoyable all the same, Shorty Clarke put in some shift alrite, had to be MOTM. Cross won because Jamie Clarke played.
Agree with all of this. Very good entertainment even if neither side played as well as they could have. Whatever about the dirty stuff, there were some unreal honest hits over the sixty minutes. JP's scud on Hanratty was one of the best I've ever seen. Ogs were probably the better team between the two 21s but they just couldn't get ball to stick in the FF line, while at the other end Jamie Clarke was unplayable.
Agree about Clarke. Even more so when you consider Barton marking him had a fairly good game too. Cross managed to get an extra runner at the full back line while at the other end also seemed to be able to get another defender back to cover. In the end that was the difference between the teams.
Quote from: Cold tea on October 14, 2012, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
Aaron Kernan punched a man in the bake twice right in front of us in the first, they were tame enough to be fair, but as Eamon Coleman used to say........ The JP/aherne tackle was poor stuff, other than that it wasn't that major.
I'd agree Cross were poor, Jamie made all the difference, the 3rd goal broke Ogs spirit, up until that point i thought they were much the better team.
Tell JJ that !
How exactly did JJ break his jaw? I heard something about it in the club last night but didn't want to mention it here until I got my facts right.
Was this the incident with Morgan coming off at half time?
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 15, 2012, 07:52:38 AM
Was this the incident with Morgan coming off at half time?
Was that incident not with JP?
I can't remember JJ receiving an actual strike to the face, but there was no doubt that Morgan stuck tight to him all day.
The game kinda fizzled out a bit early in the second half, which was disappointing from a neutral point of view. At half time it seemed set up to be a much tighter contest. In the end Cross won again, pulling up. If you look throughout their team there weren't that many star performers outside Jamie Clarke, or players you would spot as top county men but it's just a real team effort with them.
Credit to them for keeping their focus and hunger year in year out. I was hoping some years back that the success of Cross would inspire other clubs within the county to raise their game and match them but unfortunately this hasn't happened. Ogs and Dromintee have took turns to have a go but outside these two it's disappointing that other clubs haven't been able to make a breakthrough. With Cross it's about their mindset as much as their quality at this stage, and other clubs just don't have that mentality, edge, work/team ethic instilled. But the same can be said for the rest of Ulster. It's hard to see who's going to challenge them in Armagh at least over the next few years.
Well done to ballybay winning the monaghan SFC again after a 25 year wait. Deserving champions and great to see a new team rise to the top of the pile. Special mention to Paul Finlay being MOTM and captain, he led by example. Also Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement.
"Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement."
Yes well done to Colin Malone, playing a long time and took his goal well y'day. What age would he be anyway?
In the program yesterday it mentioned 5 players who were going for a collection of Minor, Junior, Intermediate and Senior medals. Jap was one of the names and I think 2 McCabes and then 2 others. So they must join Malone?
Quote from: Sleater on October 15, 2012, 09:09:25 AM
Well done to ballybay winning the monaghan SFC again after a 25 year wait. Deserving champions and great to see a new team rise to the top of the pile. Special mention to Paul Finlay being MOTM and captain, he led by example. Also Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement.
I think there was possibly two of the Eoghan Rua (Coleraine) Derry SFC winning panel of 2010 achieved that, but not aware of anyone else. It takes some doing.
Quote from: timmyot501 on October 15, 2012, 10:07:39 AM
"Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement."
Yes well done to Colin Malone, playing a long time and took his goal well y'day. What age would he be anyway?
In the program yesterday it mentioned 5 players who were going for a collection of Minor, Junior, Intermediate and Senior medals. Jap was one of the names and I think 2 McCabes and then 2 others. So they must join Malone?
Buggy is a great story really, he was always a very talented player but injury meant he "finished" playing football before he reached 30, he worked as club physio and trainer to a few teams (was our match day physio for about 4 years until the end of last year). He went back playing a bit of B football last year and this year worked his way back onto the senior team. Scored 1-1 in the final and had a huge influence on the day. Him and Hughie, the brother, had a great moment after the final whistle yesterday.
I think he may also be training Aghabog this year and they beat a very fancied Emyvale team on Saturday in the league semi-final by a point to reach a league final.
Quote from: sheamy on October 15, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: Sleater on October 15, 2012, 09:09:25 AM
Well done to ballybay winning the monaghan SFC again after a 25 year wait. Deserving champions and great to see a new team rise to the top of the pile. Special mention to Paul Finlay being MOTM and captain, he led by example. Also Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement.
I think there was possibly two of the Eoghan Rua (Coleraine) Derry SFC winning panel of 2010 achieved that, but not aware of anyone else. It takes some doing.
Would any of the Loup lads have done something similar sheamy? Rocks, McBride or Devlin or any of those?
Quote from: screenexile on October 15, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 15, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: Sleater on October 15, 2012, 09:09:25 AM
Well done to ballybay winning the monaghan SFC again after a 25 year wait. Deserving champions and great to see a new team rise to the top of the pile. Special mention to Paul Finlay being MOTM and captain, he led by example. Also Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement.
I think there was possibly two of the Eoghan Rua (Coleraine) Derry SFC winning panel of 2010 achieved that, but not aware of anyone else. It takes some doing.
Would any of the Loup lads have done something similar sheamy? Rocks, McBride or Devlin or any of those?
Don't think so screen lad...they did junior in '89 and intermediate in '94. Those boys would have been too young for the junior win I think having been on the Ulster minor club winning team of '93.
Quote from: timmyot501 on October 15, 2012, 10:07:39 AM
"Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement."
Yes well done to Colin Malone, playing a long time and took his goal well y'day. What age would he be anyway?
In the program yesterday it mentioned 5 players who were going for a collection of Minor, Junior, Intermediate and Senior medals. Jap was one of the names and I think 2 McCabes and then 2 others. So they must join Malone?
I think Colin is 35 or 36. I remember playing against him when Ballybay were junior and at also against him at underage level. He was always a good player and glad to see him achieve this. Sound bloke.
I'm not sure about the other ballybay lads. Jap, Fergal McArdle and Barney mcCabe would have been just out of minor if that's right. So possibly true.
Ulster Club SFC:
Crossmaglen 5/6
St Galls 11/4
Ballinderry 10/1
Mayobridge 12/1
Errigal Ciaran 14/1
Ballybay 16/1
St Eunans 20/1
Slaughtneil 25/1
Naomh Conaill 25/1
Kilcoo 25/1
St Michaels 50/1
Mullahoran 66/1
Tempo 66/1
Dungloe 150/1
Four Masters 200/1
Quote from: ogshead on October 15, 2012, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on October 14, 2012, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
Aaron Kernan punched a man in the bake twice right in front of us in the first, they were tame enough to be fair, but as Eamon Coleman used to say........ The JP/aherne tackle was poor stuff, other than that it wasn't that major.
I'd agree Cross were poor, Jamie made all the difference, the 3rd goal broke Ogs spirit, up until that point i thought they were much the better team.
Tell JJ that !
How exactly did JJ break his jaw? I heard something about it in the club last night but didn't want to mention it here until I got my facts right.
It was an accidental collision with his own man in the second half
QuoteUlster Club SFC:
Crossmaglen 5/6
St Galls 11/4
Ladbrokes have Cross at evens, but Ballinderry at 13/2.
Quote from: timmyot501 on October 15, 2012, 10:07:39 AM
"Colin Malone now has the distinction of winning senior, intermediate and junior championships with his club. Not to many men have that achievement."
Yes well done to Colin Malone, playing a long time and took his goal well y'day. What age would he be anyway?
In the program yesterday it mentioned 5 players who were going for a collection of Minor, Junior, Intermediate and Senior medals. Jap was one of the names and I think 2 McCabes and then 2 others. So they must join Malone?
There must be a dozen Mullaghabawn men who did this in Armagh in the 90's, culminating in an Ulster Club title!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
Is it a simple case of covering the winnings by finding better odds elsewhere for the same bet? Or are there other ways to cover this?
Also, is it possible to cover the potential winnings in this case by betting on a Slaughtneil Derry/Ulster double at the present odds for both competitions or do bookies not allow that?
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
Is it a simple case of covering the winnings by finding better odds elsewhere for the same bet? Or are there other ways to cover this?
Also, is it possible to cover the potential winnings in this case by betting on a Slaughtneil Derry/Ulster double at the present odds for both competitions or do bookies not allow that?
In order to win Ulster they would need to win Derry first. Therefore their odds to win Ulster reflect their chances of winning Derry first and then going on to provincial success. The principle of mutual exclusivity comes into play. Them bookies is not saft ya know!...
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 13, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
You took the bet before checking the odds, ye eejit.
I get out every now and again, you?
He didn't pm and still hasn't. I get out plenty
I posted, but in truth I was always going to check and lay it off, thats what punters do.
Is it a simple case of covering the winnings by finding better odds elsewhere for the same bet? Or are there other ways to cover this?
Also, is it possible to cover the potential winnings in this case by betting on a Slaughtneil Derry/Ulster double at the present odds for both competitions or do bookies not allow that?
You can put 25 on on them winning Derry at 7/4 and then bet the winnings on winning Ulster, the odds will drop from 25/1 to at least 20/1. Still better odds than the current 25/1 on offer.
Personally I think they will get dicked with a couple of players sent off, I think this happened a few years ago
That 7/4 isn't for them to win the Derry championship outright, that's the 60 minutes betting. They could draw that match and then win the replay (or extra time, I am not sure what way it works) to get through to the Ulster club SFC and you are out your stake.
Also you are putting a lot of faith in them being 20/1 if they win Ulster. They will have just put out the 10/1 third favourites for Ulster.
Can't believe this has taken over the thread though.
Do you think they would be a better price than the Tyrone champions? They are currently 14/1 with pedigree in Ulster, as far as I'm aware Slaughtneil haven't won Ulster or got to a final.
But you're right, it has went off topic a bit, should open a thread for ones to comment on the betting
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
Do you think they would be a better price than the Tyrone champions? They are currently 14/1 with pedigree in Ulster, as far as I'm aware Slaughtneil haven't won Ulster or got to a final.
But you're right, it has went off topic a bit, should open a thread for ones to comment on the betting
I could see them being 16/1 no problem. Taking Ballinderry's scalp will mean a lot. At 10/1 that is taking out 9% of the betting overround. Also have to remember after this weekend one one of Kilcoo or Mayobridge will be out of the betting as well, removing 7.7% if Kilcoo win or 3.8% if Mayobridge win.
Gonna root for Slaughtneil now to see what price they go for Ulster!
SNeil were very unlucky the last time in Ulster should have beat Cross at Glen and then lost the replay down in cross. Cross went on to win Ulster. Not sure how many of their team would still be their from 2004? Think they were young enough if memeory serves me right.
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 16, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
Do you think they would be a better price than the Tyrone champions? They are currently 14/1 with pedigree in Ulster, as far as I'm aware Slaughtneil haven't won Ulster or got to a final.
But you're right, it has went off topic a bit, should open a thread for ones to comment on the betting
I could see them being 16/1 no problem. Taking Ballinderry's scalp will mean a lot. Also have to remember after this weekend one one of Kilcoo or Mayobridge will be out of the betting as well.
Gonna root for Slaughtneil now to see what price they go for Ulster!
Slaughtneil have had the better looking results against tougher opposition but in championship finals, Ballinderry have had more experience. Bookies not too confident but 4/6 is strong enough.
Quote from: HiMucker on October 16, 2012, 12:29:10 PM
SNeil were very unlucky the last time in Ulster should have beat Cross at Glen and then lost the replay down in cross. Cross went on to win Ulster. Not sure how many of their team would still be their from 2004? Think they were young enough if memeory serves me right.
Yeah was a close game, 10 all or something like that but Cross still came out on top, other teams have held Cross and lost out and been close up to the end but beating them seems to be a thing only Errigal Ciaran can do in Ulster comp.
Having now seen Cross up close, it'll take some team to stop them. They look super fit, especially their forwards, when they move it fast they are some outfit. They worked a 2 aginst 1 a few times against Pearse Og leading to goals. Pearse Og didn't know what had hit them. Very sharp and smart. And I doubt for the rest of the year any team will be more physical with them, Pearse Og were in their faces to say the least and put in some great hits (and a few late ones), but still couldn't finish them off.
Hard to tell with Cross. Against an average enough Cruppen team they conceded a few goals yet on Sunday against a much much more talented Ogs side were able keep a clean sheet.
In my own opinion the teams that would trouble Cross the most would be whoever wins Derry (more so Ballinderry probably) and Kilcoo if they win Down. People saying Errigal because they've pedigree, how many survivors would there be from the last time they beat Cross?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 16, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
Hard to tell with Cross. Against an average enough Cruppen team they conceded a few goals yet on Sunday against a much much more talented Ogs side were able keep a clean sheet.
In my own opinion the teams that would trouble Cross the most would be whoever wins Derry (more so Ballinderry probably) and Kilcoo if they win Down. People saying Errigal because they've pedigree, how many survivors would there be from the last time they beat Cross?
Complacency? because they were playing a team they knew they could beat possibly. As for Errigal they would have at least 5 or so players from last time.
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
+1
but not on Rory though, thought we'd better home players than him to be honest.
We won't be within 5/6 points of Cross at our best, can only hope to reach final again and hope Cross get beat before it :P
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
I dunno now. Ballinderry were close enough last year what has changed since? I mentioned Kilcoo because they have a nasty streak that other clubs in Down don't seem to have IMO. Would come in handy I'd imagine. Cross were second best for significant spells on Sunday, they got off to a flier with Ogs caught cold and then were dominated for the rest of the half. I don't think they'd get away with the same in Ulster.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 16, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
I dunno now. Ballinderry were close enough last year what has changed since? I mentioned Kilcoo because they have a nasty streak that other clubs in Down don't seem to have IMO. Would come in handy I'd imagine. Cross were second best for significant spells on Sunday, they got off to a flier with Ogs caught cold and then were dominated for the rest of the half. I don't think they'd get away with the same in Ulster.
See...I've heard people say that but it doesn't really add up. Cross tore them apart for 30 mins. Second half Ballinderry put up a brave enough show largely thanks to big Enda, but when the heat came on, Cross simply stepped it up and blitzed them again last 5 mins. That was the acid test and they strolled it. What has changed? Ballinderry have got a lot worse. They also have the small matter of getting over a very fit Slaughtneil team and then Ronan McGuckin's Errigal Ciaran who will be well rested and fully briefed on them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2012, 03:03:47 PM
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
+1
but not on Rory though, thought we'd better home players than him to be honest.
We won't be within 5/6 points of Cross at our best, can only hope to reach final again and hope Cross get beat before it :P
That's interesting. I honestly thought Rory was a major factor in the AI win. I remember watching Gall's destroy the Loup at Newry and he was chief architect in my opinion. I came away thinking they were the finished article (exact same feeling watching Donegal play Derry in Ballybofey this year) and it proved right. The side was good before that but I thought his intelligent play made them great. CJ and co thrived off him and he provided much needed structure up front. He understands the modern game exceptionally well as the events of this year show. People talk about McGuinness but for me alot of what Donegal do tactically is down to Gallagher. He deserves more recognition than he gets imo.
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2012, 03:03:47 PM
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
+1
but not on Rory though, thought we'd better home players than him to be honest.
We won't be within 5/6 points of Cross at our best, can only hope to reach final again and hope Cross get beat before it :P
That's interesting. I honestly thought Rory was a major factor in the AI win. I remember watching Gall's destroy the Loup at Newry and he was chief architect in my opinion. I came away thinking they were the finished article and it proved right. The side was good before that but I thought his intelligent play made them great. CJ and co thrived off him and he provided much needed structure up front. He understands the modern game exceptionally well as the events of this year show. People talk about McGuinness but for me alot of what Donegal do tactically is down to Gallagher. He deserves more recognition than he gets imo.
I'm not going to slate past players, just said in my view there was better forwards in Naomh Gall. Plenty players can have the tactics and get players to employ them, which he and McGuinness have done really well with Donegal. But I don't think he was the reason why we won the All Ireland in fairness
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Lads, Slaughtneil or Ballinderry won't be within an asses roar of Cross. Kilcoo couldn't beat Loup the last time I saw them. Errigal might cause them problems but only mild ones I think. Cross have well and truly put St Gall's away this past few years and I can't see any change this time. I think they lost an awful lot when Fermanagh man Rory Gallagher left. He led the line like no-one since. No sir, she's going back to Cross. No point even talking about it any more.
I dunno now. Ballinderry were close enough last year what has changed since? I mentioned Kilcoo because they have a nasty streak that other clubs in Down don't seem to have IMO. Would come in handy I'd imagine. Cross were second best for significant spells on Sunday, they got off to a flier with Ogs caught cold and then were dominated for the rest of the half. I don't think they'd get away with the same in Ulster.
See...I've heard people say that but it doesn't really add up. Cross tore them apart for 30 mins. Second half Ballinderry put up a brave enough show largely thanks to big Enda, but when the heat came on, Cross simply stepped it up and blitzed them again last 5 mins. That was the acid test and they strolled it. What has changed? Ballinderry have got a lot worse. They also have the small matter of getting over a very fit Slaughtneil team and then Ronan McGuckin's Errigal Ciaran who will be well rested and fully briefed on them.
Fair enough comment, but Cross haven't exactly been setting the world on fire in Armagh up until Sunday and even then they were made to look second best for a lot of the game. My initial point about who was best equipped to trouble Cross was meant hypothetically, and also for the record I don't think Errigal would be one of them because when it comes to motivating themselves Cross don't need a wile lot to get them going.
The only way Cross will be beaten in ulster is if they are complacent against a team they don't percieve as a major threat. The likes of Burren, Mayobridge, Galls, Ballinderry & Bellaghy if they were in Ulster ,would all cause Cross to be alert and ready.
The likes of Errigal, Ballybay, and whoever comes out of Donegal may catch Cross napping. That's the only chance of Cross being beaten.
QuoteThe likes of Errigal, Ballybay, and whoever comes out of Donegal may catch Cross napping. That's the only chance of Cross being beaten.
Somehow it is hard to see a Donegal being giant killers at an Armagh venue in the year that is in it. There is unfinished business with Errigal. There is some precedent for Monaghan neighbours halting 3 in a rows, so hopefully they'll watch out for that too.
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
What are the chances that the Tempo players drink water from the same well as the Ballynamallard soccer team?
Quote from: Orior on October 17, 2012, 01:51:52 PM
What are the chances that the Tempo players drink water from the same well as the Ballynamallard soccer team?
If they do then we are sunk!!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 16, 2012, 04:09:00 PM
...when it comes to motivating themselves Cross don't need a wile lot to get them going.
You're right there. They don't even need other counties!
McConville: Cross players hurt by snubBy John Fogarty
Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Oisín McConville revealed Crossmaglen players have been hurt by being overlooked for places in the Armagh team.The reigning All-Ireland champions won their 16th county title in 17 years on Sunday and their Ulster SFC record scorer McConville feels new manager Paul Grimley should persuade goalkeeper Paul Hearty out of retirement as well making space for at least another four players in his side.
The 37-year-old, who played the majority of the victory over Pearse Óg, believes the club kingpins deserve more representation on the Armagh team than they have been getting in recent years.
"For us to have only two players playing against Tyrone, two players against Roscommon (this year) was complete madness to me when you consider the quality that the boys had shown all year.
"There were a lot of players in our panel who were quite hurt by that. Whenever our boys come back to play for Cross it gives them that extra spurt to try and prove a point again that they're good enough.
"That's the only stage we have – to put yourself out in the club championship and say, 'right, I'm good enough to play for Armagh'.
"I understand that it hurts that these boys don't play McKenna Cup or much National League football but that's the way things go."
Earlier this year, Hearty, 34, quit inter-county football but McConville says he can be enticed back to the fold.
"I think it's time that somebody came and got him out of retirement.
"I genuinely think that if he was asked properly and went about it the proper way, definitely. James Morgan's another player.
"I think Paul McKeown is another player who could do something for Armagh.
" I believe David McKenna's a player that has been sort of let go almost by Armagh but if we can get him going well.
"Johnny Hanratty can do a job for you, Aaron Cunningham can do a job, Tony Kernan. I know I'm after naming about eight or nine but they're all players who can, at the very least, challenge to be in that Armagh squad but again it's all about opinions."
He's dropped more than his fair share into the net for Armagh, some clangers - let him stay at Cross.
James Morgan and Tony Kernan, and that's it.
Would like to see C Mc Kinney in goals, maybe PG can talk him into coming back
James Morgan,
Paul Mc Keown,
Aaron Cunnigham,
David Mc Kenna,
Aaron Kernan,
Jamie Clarke,
Jonny Hanratty,
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 17, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
James Morgan,
Paul Mc Keown,
Aaron Cunnigham,
David Mc Kenna,
Aaron Kernan,
Jamie Clarke,
Jonny Hanratty,
Without question and Hearty if he was convinced.
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Quote from: Onion Bag on October 17, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
James Morgan,
Paul Mc Keown,
Aaron Cunnigham,
David Mc Kenna,
Aaron Kernan,
Jamie Clarke,
Jonny Hanratty,
Without question and Hearty if he was convinced.
Honestly BCB, he doesnt exactly excite me, he had a serious amount of howlers prior to hanging up the gloves, wouls like ro see Mc Kinney from the ogs get a shot he was always in Heartys shadow and i suppose thats why he quit when he did.
BTW BCB we are going to get our balls kicked in here for talking about Armaghs panel on the Ulster Club Thread :'(
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James Morgan,
Paul Mc Keown,
Aaron Cunnigham,
David Mc Kenna,
Aaron Kernan,
Jamie Clarke,
Jonny Hanratty,
Without question and Hearty if he was convinced.
Honestly BCB, he doesnt exactly excite me, he had a serious amount of howlers prior to hanging up the gloves, wouls like ro see Mc Kinney from the ogs get a shot he was always in Heartys shadow and i suppose thats why he quit when he did.
BTW BCB we are going to get our balls kicked in here for talking about Armaghs panel on the Ulster Club Thread :'(
Keep winning the fooking thing so talk away
+1...
as I said previously, there's no point talking about it any more. It's in the bag and staying where it is.
How about cruelty to Jack Russells. Any views?
Quote from: sheamy on October 17, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
+1...
as I said previously, there's no point talking about it any more. It's in the bag and staying where it is.
How about cruelty to Jack Russells. Any views?
It really grinds my gears! and makes me go WTF?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
Ah come on now. You're a tarra man for playing them down.
What will you lay me if I go against your prediction of a 1-2 point win? Say, a St Gall's by 6 or more win.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
Ah come on now. You're a tarra man for playing them down.
What will you lay me if I go against your prediction of a 1-2 point win? Say, a St Gall's by 6 or more win.
As Milltown Row2 said Crossmaglen beat St Galls pulling up what makes you think they could cause upset this year?
Galls were badly hampered last year just before the start. I think they lost 4-5 players in total with 2 breaking down in the warm up. That put them in disarray by the throw in and Cross blitzed them in the first 15 minutes. Galls won the second half 2-3 to 0-4 when Stewart appeared.
The previous year down in Cross it was a similar story. They lost Kevin McGourty before the game and Stewart got lined in the first half. Galls won the second half when Kevin came on.
I think that it Galls play their football and forget trying to match them in a physical off the ball battle (2010) coupled with a bit of luck on the injury front for a change, they'll be more than a match for them.
Cross must be seething about St Galls winning the second half of these games.
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
Cross must be seething about St Galls winning the second half of these games.
Ballinderry beat them 1-06 to 0-06 in the second half with 14 men. Shows what if possible once the rules are changed to make games 30 mins in duration. Cross would have no chance.
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
Ah come on now. You're a tarra man for playing them down.
What will you lay me if I go against your prediction of a 1-2 point win? Say, a St Gall's by 6 or more win.
Agreed O'Neill, if St Gall's don't bate Tempo by 8 or more, it won't bode well for their chances in Ulster!.
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
Ah come on now. You're a tarra man for playing them down.
What will you lay me if I go against your prediction of a 1-2 point win? Say, a St Gall's by 6 or more win.
We are 1/7 so that would be (although not up yet) usually us at -6 so your right in that respect, so'll you'll get evens or 10/11 for us to win by 7 or more.
For a 1-2 point win, the price would be 1/3 no value in that price for you
I'll give you evens for st galls to win 1-2 points.
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
Cross must be seething about St Galls winning the second half of these games.
What I meant was that with a full strength team, and a bit of discipline, Gall's are more than a match for Cross.
You would get 6/4 for at galls to win 1-3 points i reckon
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 16, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
I think St Gall's are going to waltz through it. If they meet Cross in the final they'll take them.
Oh, I hope your right, but I'm a wee bit more realistic on this. The Tempo lads have had a long enough time to recover from their celebrations and time to focus on a big game in Brewster Park, so If we win it will be 1 or 2 points.
The Down Champions, should they win their game will be far harder to call, Mayobridge game in Newry a few years ago was in the balance for a long time until Mayobridge had a player sent off, we got the breaks that day. Kilcoo are a decent side also, watched them when they played in Ulster before and they looked very sharp up front.
Cross haven't got worse, and on Sundays show they still manage to find space and score goals. Don't see how we have improved much from last year to beat Cross, who beat us pulling up
Ah come on now. You're a tarra man for playing them down.
What will you lay me if I go against your prediction of a 1-2 point win? Say, a St Gall's by 6 or more win.
We are 1/7 so that would be (although not up yet) usually us at -6 so your right in that respect, so'll you'll get evens or 10/11 for us to win by 7 or more.
For a 1-2 point win, the price would be 1/3 no value in that price for you
You reckon?
For instance Portlaois are 1/6 and evens -6, to win by a margin of 1-3 points they are 11/4 But if you were looking them to win by by a handicap of -1 to -2 points the the bet will be around 4/7 or 1/2 (at the original price of 1/6) With us being 1/7 you are looking at worst/best 1/3
That would be the handicap odds or close to anyways. For a team to win by a margin of 1-3 points that's a different bet!!
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2012, 04:14:38 PM
Milltown, what are you on about?
There are separate bets going on here!! I thought O'Neil was talking about handicap bets as in taking Galls -1 to 2 points win (like I had posted) That would me lower odds than the evens that may be available. He's must be talking about being exact, in that a winning margin. Which would be at least 11/4
No more betting talk please, there is another thread for that ffs
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
You are the one confusing the situation.
To clarify, ONeill wants St. Galls -5 points.
No he thinks we will win by more than 6!! And wanted odds on 1-2 point win, which i think we will win by
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40 counties in total now, top of one particular tree anyway, 16 out of 17, not bad. I remember arguing many moons ago with Rufus and bennydorano about how many titles we would win. I said we wouldn't be far off the majority of the next 10 and that was when I had retired. They have won 6 since then out of 7 with it looking harder year on year for clubs to get closer. We'll hit the half century in less than 15 years as I know what is coming through the club.
A lot of comments I would like to make about todays game but I will hold counsel for now. Well done boys!
Do not be so grumpy! Thought Cross were not at their best but still Won. A credit to themselves. Pity a few more clubs in the county could not get closer to their standard. On saying that I thought Ogs Conor Clarke was man of match.
Not grumpy but some very dubious stuff happened today and while never shy from the fact that we have been cynical over the years I saw at least 3 clear deliberate punches to the face on our boys with 2 of them directly in view of either a lines man or the ref. Anyway, Cups back where she belongs and the plans will begin for the Donegal champs now.
Quote from: theticklemister on October 14, 2012, 07:25:31 PM
Congrats lad. Great club.
are ye not sick if celebrating. What would a night of celebrating consist of in cross after lifting an armagh coumty title???
How would ye get sick of celebrating? I wouldn't be to most after match celebrations bar the Ulster or AI as I am not in the town anymore. The lads will go out tonight and maybe tomorrow but it won't be anything wild. They will be in the field Tuesday night and then that's that till Ulster is over.
More than JJ Clarke will do, the lad in dundonald with his jaw fractured in two places, the abuse he took today was shocking, even more shocking the officials failing to do anything about it!
Did you check how JJ got his jaw broke.
You were pretty quick to point the finger at a cross player
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2012, 04:32:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2012, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 18, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
You are the one confusing the situation.
To clarify, ONeill wants St. Galls -5 points.
No he thinks we will win by more than 6!! And wanted odds on 1-2 point win, which i think we will win by
No, he didn't.
He asked what you would lay him if he went against your prediction and then specifically stated St. Galls by 6 or more.
4/5
Donegal Senior Football Championship Quarter Final Replay
Na Ceithre Maistirí 1-15 Naomh Mícheál 1-08 After Extra Time
(Full Time: 0-11 1-08)
Revised Semi Final Draw:
An Clochán Liath v Naomh Adhamhnáin
Naomh Conaill v Na Ceithre Maistirí
Clinical Crossmaglen Confirm Superiority
Crossmaglen Rangers 3-09 Pearse Ógs 0-11
The more things change, the more they stay the same must be a reasonable summation of Armagh football over the majority of the past two decades. While the personnel wearing the famous Black and Amber have changed drastically since Crossmaglen lifted what was then their first County Title in ten years back in 1996, the professional, capable and methodical manner in which they continue to crush opposition within the Orchard county has assumed an almost monotonous inevitability. Although the All Ireland champions understandably entered the match as warm favourites, the feeling within the county was that Pearse Ógs were likely to mount a strong challenge to the south Armagh men's superiority. Pearse Ógs must have entered this match in high spirits having been arguably the more impressive of the pair in the Semi Finals as they demolished St Patrick's while Crossmaglen laboured to a victory against unfancied Carrickcruppen.
An excellent crowd at the Athletic Grounds were treated to unseasonably favourable Autumnal conditions on a perfect day for football. They did not have to wait long for a score as Crossmaglen's Johnny Hanratty provided his side with a morale boosting opening point within thirty seconds of the opening whistle. The blistering Crossmaglen start continued within a minute as Kyle Carragher marched through the Pearse Ógs defence before unselfishly slipping the ball to Jamie Clarke who produced an excellent finish for a vital Crossmaglen goal. Four points down against the All Ireland champions with the clock not yet registering two minutes, Pearse Ógs fans must have been fearing the worst, however their side responded with vigour and courage. The revival began two minutes in after direct tactics allowed Marc Cullen to fire over an opening point for the Armagh city men. The scores came thick and fast in the opening period and the Crossmaglen lead was reduced to two points three minutes into the match when a nice solo run from Conor Clarke allowed him to chip over a fine point for the Ógs. The game then threatened to develop into a bad-tempered affair as some tetchy scenes saw three yellow cards administered in the opening quarter with Crossmaglen's Aaron Kernan and Kyle Carragher and Ógs captain JP Donnelly the recipients.
Ten minutes in, the lead was reduced to the minimum as Marc Cullen pointed a free for Ógs which had been relocated to a more scoreable position after dissent followed a foul on Sean Clarke. In the 11th minute a nice Jamie Clarke point restored his side's two point advantage. Crossmaglen extended the cushion to three points 18 minutes in when Oisin McConville tapped over a free awarded after Darnell Parkinson was caught in possession for the Ogs. At that stage, it seemed as though Crossmaglen were beginning to exert a level of dominance however the final ten minutes of the half were to almost exclusively belong to Pearse Ógs as they kicked four points without response to allow thoughts to turn to a possible upset. Marc Cullen got the first of these scores, profiting from a good break forward by JP Donnelly while a magnificent Andy Mallon point from distance reduced the deficit to the minimum. Some patient attacking play three minutes before the break by the Ógs allowed Paul Duffy to fire over a fine score from all of 45 metres. Having just registered his first point, Duffy clearly developed a taste for the habit and repeated the dose within thirty seconds, winning possession from the Crossmaglen kick-out before embarking on a solo run which was to result in a well-taken point. This gave his side the lead for what turned out to be the first and only occasion in the match.
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All great champions exhibit the trait of good timing and this Crossmaglen side showed again that they are masters of the art. Faced with the prospect of heading into the break behind to an Ógs side with all the momentum, Crossmaglen reacted in style as good work from Kyle Carragher found Jamie Clarke close to goal. Clarke displayed all his trademark elusivity to evade his marker and head ominously towards the net. As goalkeeper Ciaran McKinney emerged upon the Crossmaglen attacker, Jamie showed great presence of mind to find teammate Tony Kernan who had the simplest of tasks in palming the ball into an empty net.
This important blow gave Crossmaglen a barely deserved two point lead at the break on a scoreline of Crossmaglen 2-03 Pearse Ógs 0-07. While Pearse Ógs appeared to retain every chance of causing an upset, hindsight would confirm the suspicion that lingered at Half Time, namely that to defeat a side like Crossmaglen, every period of dominance must result in a significant improvement on the scoreboard.
Hopes remained high amongst the Armagh City men early in the second half and they imitated the manner in which their opponents had commenced the first period, winning the ball from the throw in to create an Anto Duffy point. Stephen Kernan had made his return from a lengthy injury as a first half substitute and he exhibited no signs of ringrust early in the half as a magnificent pass found Oisin McConville close to goal. The veteran Crossmaglen forward showed all his customary style and panache to turn sharply and fire over a fine point. A pointed Marc Cullen free kept the Ógs well in the game however Crossmaglen seemed to realise the importance of not allowing their opponents to draw level again and Tony Kernan popped over a valuable point after a Kyle Carragher pass. Next the sides exchanged pointed frees through Aaron Kernan and Marc Cullen respectively.
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Heading into the final Quarter, the Crossmaglen lead was three points after a wonderful individual solo run from Stephen Kernan saw him register a magnificent score. The Ógs were determined to hang grimly to the champions' coattails and they got back within two points when Tommy Turley benefitted from an Anto Duffy pass to point. Ten minutes from time the Ógs had a decent opportunity from a placed ball to reduce the deficit to the minimum. The kick sailed wide however and the suspicion that a crucial chance had been missed was confirmed within minutes as Crossmaglen countered with menace. The Rangers embarked on a wonderful hand passing move which was well worthy of the ultimately crucial major score it produced, thanks to the deft reflexes of star performer Jamie Clarke. With the third goal secured, Crossmaglen were never likely to relinquish their five point lead in the latter stages and an Aaron Kernan free five minutes from time increased their advantage. Ógs did press forward trying to create a goal scoring opportunity, however ,their efforts were too often of the "Hail Mary" variety and were stoutly repelled by the Crossmaglen rearguard as Paul Hearty gave an assured performance between the sticks. Fittingly, the final score of the match went to a rampant Jamie Clarke as Crossmaglen finished comfortable victors on a scoreline of Crossmaglen 3-09 Pearse Ogs 0-11.
A delighted David McKenna sent his club's fans into raptures as he lifted the Gerry Fagan Cup, promising in the process that Ulster and All Ireland honours were also on the agenda as Crossmaglen aim to improve upon even their own previous achievements by achieving a historic third All Ireland in a row. The old adage that goals win matches was never better exemplified than by this affair. Although Pearse Ógs often achieved parity in the territorial and possession stakes, they simply could not match the speed, agility and guile of the Crossmaglen forwards in front of goal. Laoch na hImeartha deservedly went to the irrepressible Jamie Clarke while he was ably assisted by fine performances from Kyle Carragher and the returning Stephen Kernan. The, as yet, unknown Donegal champions are next on the agenda for the Rangers however on Sunday's evidence they will not be relinquishing their Ulster and All Ireland titles softly. For the gallant but defeated Ógs side, Marc Cullen was probably their best performer on the day. On a final note, a word of congratulations should go to match referee, Wolfe Tones man Stephen Murray who produced an excellent display of officiating in keeping the lid on what was at times a tempestuous affair.
Crossmaglen: Paul Hearty; Paul Hughes, James Morgan, Paul McKeown; Aaron Kernan (0-2), Brendan McKeown, Martin Ahern; Johnny Hanratty (0-1), David McKenna; Kyle Carragher, Oisín McConville (0-2), Tony Kernan (1-1); Jamie Clarke (2-2), Aaron Cunningham, Kyle Brennan. Subs Used: Stephen Kernan (0-1), Stephen Finnegan, Callum Cumiskey, Mel Boyce, Garvan Carragher
Pearse Ógs: Ciarán McKinney, Michael Carson, Gerard Barton, Gerard McCoy; Paul Duffy (0-2), Andy Mallon (0-1), Darnell Parkinson; Chris Rafferty, JP Donnelly; Anto Duffy (0-1), Conor Clarke (0-1), Seán Clarke; Tommy Turley (0-1), Kieran Hughes, Marc Cullen (0-5). Subs Used: Seán Moore, Seán Hughes.
Donegal Senior Football Championship Semi Final
Naomh Adhamhnáin 3-06 An Clochán Liath 0-06
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Quote from: drici on October 21, 2012, 04:20:26 PM
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Probably for his own protection, Mullahoran support take no prisoners!
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Ulster Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15
Quote from: drici on October 20, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
Donegal Senior Football Championship Semi Final
Naomh Adhamhnáin 3-06 An Clochán Liath 0-06
Form book is out the window in Donegal this year.
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What?
Derry Senior Football Final
Ballinderry 1-10 Slaughtneil 0-10
Quote from: drici on October 21, 2012, 05:19:35 PM
Derry Senior Football Final
Ballinderry 1-10 Slaughtneil 0-10
Should have took that bet lol
Donegal Senior Football Championship Semi Final
Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-09
Naomh Conaill v Naomh Adhamhnáin in the Final.
Quote from: drici on October 21, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Ulster Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15
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Down Senior Football Final
Mayobridge 1-08 Kilcoo 2-08
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) v St Galls(Antrim) (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) v Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Naomh Adhamhnáin/Naomh Conaill(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
Fermanagh/Antrim v Monaghan/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Tyrone/Derry
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: drici on October 21, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Ulster Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15
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Definitely not favourites but I think they are the only team who could beat Cross. I think I am right in saying that Errigal seem to have the hoodoo on Cross? Would love to see that game materialise.
It will happen, that's for sure, Ballinderry were lucky enough to win today, and with Errigal Ciarán dispatching the Cavan Champions (how poor were they!!)
With the Donegal championship nearing completion Cross will be handy enough winners there.
first time i looked at the draw. you would be fairly certain of a galls v cross/errigal final. Most of the big guns on the harder side of the draw
Quote from: Orchardman on October 21, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
first time i looked at the draw. you would be fairly certain of a galls v cross/errigal final. Most of the big guns on the harder side of the draw
I'm glad we aren't a big gun anymore, should be some dust up thou should cross/errigal meet. Hopefully TG4 will show this match if it happens.
i havn't seen galls play this year so i dont know anything about them, but i would imagine there would big expectations for them to get to the final at least. They are in the ulster club every year, so on that account they are defo one of the 'big guns'
Quote from: Orchardman on October 21, 2012, 07:49:14 PM
i havn't seen galls play this year so i dont know anything about them, but i would imagine there would big expectations for them to get to the final at least. They are in the ulster club every year, so on that account they are defo one of the 'big guns'
The bookies would have you think that. Same players, just a little bit older. Would be great to get a day out at Clones this year (think that's where the final is)
As BCB says, Cross haven't the balls to beat Errigal.
Quote from: ONeill on October 21, 2012, 09:02:04 PM
As BCB says, Cross haven't the balls to beat Errigal.
They never had the balls to beat us in the four meetings we have had so far but IMO this is as good a cross team as there has been. The same can not be said about Errigal. If Errigal can do enough to get past Ballinderry then cross will rightly be massive favourites. It would be nice to be there though.
good to see glenties or st eunans have already conceded e.c. you beat a woeful mullahoran team today who threw the towel in so dont be getting ahead of yourself and maybe show a bit of respect to whoever comes out of donegal on the 4 nov
Peter Harte's goal today was different class. He had a brillant game, Thomas Canavan was very good aswell and Ronan McRory. Mullahoran were compititive for the fist 15 minutes, but weren't at the races from then on, and fell apart when Paul Brady was sent off a few minutes after coming on. Brady was hit first, and the Errigal player wasn't even booked
Any outright odds for this?
Quote from: skeog on October 21, 2012, 09:23:25 PM
good to see glenties or st eunans have already conceded e.c. you beat a woeful mullahoran team today who threw the towel in so dont be getting ahead of yourself and maybe show a bit of respect to whoever comes out of donegal on the 4 nov
You are right. I was taking it for granted that cross would beat the donegal champions which is disrespectful. Sorry about that.
Still expect cross to be in the semi though.
Be interesting to see how Errigal cope with Ballinderry (big tyrone derby) though can't see them getting 4-15 next time out. In fact I'd probably fancy Ballinderry but only just, were down to 14 for much of the second half and when Slaughtneil really went at them were able to see them off fairly comfortably in the end. Their defence were quite impressive swarming out Slaughtneil attacks though in saying that the Slaughtneil forward unit didn't offer a wile lot.
EC must feel confident now with a Ballinderry man as manager with a very clear insight into the Ballinderry setup. Assuming they beat them they will be comfident of beating St Gall's in the final as St Galls are clearly on the way down. It would be nice to see them winning the AI when they get to the semi's but I can't see them beating Kilmacud. It is St Brigid's year this year and they will beat the Crokes on St Patricks day by 4.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
Assuming they beat them they will be comfident of beating St Gall's in the final as St Galls are clearly on the way down.
Evidence?
Quote from: ONeill on October 21, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
Assuming they beat them they will be comfident of beating St Gall's in the final as St Galls are clearly on the way down.
Evidence?
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Quote from: Orchardman on October 21, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
first time i looked at the draw. you would be fairly certain of a galls v cross/errigal final. Most of the big guns on the harder side of the draw
I'm glad we aren't a big gun anymore, should be some dust up thou should cross/errigal meet. Hopefully TG4 will show this match if it happens.
Incontestable.
Ach lads will yiz quit with the attempted cute hoorism. What is said on here has no bearing on the field FFS. And we won't think any worse of you if you exhibit some confidence.
Cross and Galls have the pedigree. They still have the best sides IMO. Galls will say 2 All-Irelands will satisfy them but I don't believe them. As with Kerry 03-08, they'll feel their All-Ireland is a 9/10er because they never met Cross that year. All things being equal they should meet in the final. Errigal, Ballinderry et al might cause bother but we all want to see that final pairing and it should happen. Deep down I think Galls believe they're as good as Cross at full strength.
Cross know Galls are gunning for them. Galls will never speak it but a meeting with Cross is the raison d'etre for this year's ambitions, IMO. Another Ulster and All-Ireland would be brilliant for them and if Cross are eliminated before they can meet so be it but.....
Quote from: hardstation on October 21, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
Think Rossa will bate shite out of the lot next year.
Ach will ye quit at the confidence exhibition thing.
What would you expect O'Neill??? Cross are in the same side as the club from the county of the AI county champions, Ballinderry who feel they missed out last year, and Errigal, who we have never beaten in competitive football. If we come through this side then we will have to beat St Gall's who you rightly state are another side who have a major point to prove against us. If we were to win the Ulster this year it would be the greatest ever achievement by any of our teams. No amount of confidence can hide the reality of how difficult the task is infront of us.
Quote from: Minder on October 21, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Any outright odds for this?
By the chat of the boys on here no-one wants to be the favourite.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2012, 11:50:00 PM
What would you expect O'Neill??? Cross are in the same side as the club from the county of the AI county champions, Ballinderry who feel they missed out last year, and Errigal, who we have never beaten in competitive football. If we come through this side then we will have to beat St Gall's who you rightly state are another side who have a major point to prove against us. If we were to win the Ulster this year it would be the greatest ever achievement by any of our teams. No amount of confidence can hide the reality of how difficult the task is infront of us.
But I'd imagine you feel you can do it. You don't play all those teams on the same day.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 21, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 21, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Any outright odds for this?
By the chat of the boys on here no-one wants to be the favourite.
Crossmaglen odds on, others on request.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
EC must feel confident now with a Ballinderry man as manager with a very clear insight into the Ballinderry setup. Assuming they beat them and the Donegal champions in the semi-final they will be comfident of beating St Gall's in the final as St Galls are clearly on the way down. It would be nice to see them winning the AI when they get to the semi's but I can't see them beating Kilmacud. It is St Brigid's year this year and they will beat the Crokes on St Patricks day by 4.
Fixed that for you. :P
It has to be said that Cross are an inspiration, the way they can come from nowhere to keep winning despite no one rating them or giving them a chance.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 22, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 21, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 21, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Any outright odds for this?
By the chat of the boys on here no-one wants to be the favourite.
Crossmaglen odds on, others on request.
5/6 Crossmaglen
5/2 St Galls
7 Ballinderry
11 Errigal
18 Kilcoo
20 Naomh Conaill
25 Ballybay
50 Tempo
Quote from: yellowcard on October 22, 2012, 11:19:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 22, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 21, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 21, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Any outright odds for this?
By the chat of the boys on here no-one wants to be the favourite.
Crossmaglen odds on, others on request.
5/6 Crossmaglen
5/2 St Galls
7 Ballinderry
11 Errigal
18 Kilcoo
20 Naomh Conaill
25 Ballybay
50 Tempo
those odds make more sense. Errigal havent done much in the Tyrone championship recently, mounted with the fact that Tyrone clubs rarely do well in Ulster, I was wondering where all the confidence was coming from re Errigal beating Ballinderry.
Tight game but cant see anything other than a Shamrocks victory by 2/3 points.
Errigal Ciaran manager Ronan McGuckin is unlikely to be involved in the Ulster Club quarter-final against his home club Ballinderry on 4 November.
McGuckin has requested a leave of absence from the role for the game because of his conflict of interest.
Errigal Ciaran set up the game with Ballinderry by hammering Mullahoran 4-15 to 1-7 at Breffni Park on Sunday.
After Sunday's match, McGuckin told the Errigal Ciaran players that he would request two weeks off from the job.
McGuckin's assistant manager Tommy McDermott looks likely to take charge of the Tyrone champions for the clash with Ballinderry.
Is this genuine or is it mind games?
Quote from: Agent Orange on October 22, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
Errigal Ciaran manager Ronan McGuckin is unlikely to be involved in the Ulster Club quarter-final against his home club Ballinderry on 4 November.
McGuckin has requested a leave of absence from the role for the game because of his conflict of interest.
Errigal Ciaran set up the game with Ballinderry by hammering Mullahoran 4-15 to 1-7 at Breffni Park on Sunday.
After Sunday's match, McGuckin told the Errigal Ciaran players that he would request two weeks off from the job.
McGuckin's assistant manager Tommy McDermott looks likely to take charge of the Tyrone champions for the clash with Ballinderry.
Heard about this late lastnight. Seems it is true. Disappointing to say the least.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on October 22, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
Errigal Ciaran manager Ronan McGuckin is unlikely to be involved in the Ulster Club quarter-final against his home club Ballinderry on 4 November.
McGuckin has requested a leave of absence from the role for the game because of his conflict of interest.
Errigal Ciaran set up the game with Ballinderry by hammering Mullahoran 4-15 to 1-7 at Breffni Park on Sunday.
After Sunday's match, McGuckin told the Errigal Ciaran players that he would request two weeks off from the job.
McGuckin's assistant manager Tommy McDermott looks likely to take charge of the Tyrone champions for the clash with Ballinderry.
Heard about this late lastnight. Seems it is true. Disappointing to say the least.
Mental!! Well he be wearing a Ballinderry top and sitting with all the Derry ones during the game? Would hate to manage against my own team but in preparing to take on a team like Errigal Ciaran you would hope that you'd be at the business end of things, meaning being in the Ulster club, thus the possibility of playing against you own club. Hope this is a wind up
Im sure the Errigal committee, fans and players are happy with that, getting to an ulster quarter final and their manager backing out because of meeting his home club.
f**k that, how much does he get paid?
why did he take the job on? he musnt have had big expectations for Errigal! there is always a good chance they will win Tyrone and Balinderry are a regular to winning derry titles so there is a always that chance that they might meet.
if it were me, i would road him!
dont think this is a wind up, it is on the BBC
Bit of drama at half time in the Errigal - Mullahoran game...
Would he have a few pound on Balinderry to win Ulster?
I think McGuckin is showing that there is more to the game than money, that, in his case at least, it is all about your club.
Was there not an Errigal man over Shamrocks the last time they played and did he feel any conflict of interest at the time?
Quote from: LeoMc on October 22, 2012, 01:24:09 PM
I think McGuckin is showing that there is more to the game than money, that, in his case at least, it is all about your club.
Was there not an Errigal man over Shamrocks the last time they played and did he feel any conflict of interest at the time?
He is still with them and knowing the professional man that he is I expect him to be on the line on Sunday week..
Dont think anyone is dsputing the fact that there is a certain degree of conflict of interest. but at some stage he sat down with the EC committee and accepted waht was put in fron of him, and now he is backing out. That in my mind is totally unacceptable
see someone arrested at half time yesterday after assault on mullahoran player about time dont see the anti dromore carmen mob making much comment now and all the virtue spouting about the errigal saints
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 22, 2012, 01:24:09 PM
I think McGuckin is showing that there is more to the game than money, that, in his case at least, it is all about your club.
Was there not an Errigal man over Shamrocks the last time they played and did he feel any conflict of interest at the time?
He is still with them and knowing the professional man that he is I expect him to be on the line on Sunday week..
I hope this is true
Quote from: skeog on October 22, 2012, 01:28:40 PM
see someone arrested at half time yesterday after assault on mullahoran player about time dont see the anti dromore carmen mob making much comment now and all the virtue spouting about the errigal saints
You need to get the facts right.
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/10/22/monday-blog-mcguckin-shouldnt-desert-errigal/
Paul McIver faced a similar situation last year when Dromore played Ballinderry in Ulster.It's a very awkward situation for Ronan to be in.
Not forgetting too that Errigal's Joe Canavan is helping Ballinderry as well.
Thats mental from McGuckin. Won't be the first or last manager to come up against his former club but I've never heard of this before. If he is willing to take a job with another club and the money that goes with it then surely he shouldn't be allowed to walk out on them 2 weeks before one of their biggest games in years.
I have to say I feel a certain level of sympathy for him but it wouldn't have been hard to foresee this happening and maybe it was a point that was brought up at the time of the appointment and agreed upon. I know I would find it hard managing against Cross in championship. Still I am sure it was discussed with the committee before being announced. Imagine the quandry John Mac could have been in if Culloville had drawn Cross this year?
I've seen a few of our ex-players manage a team up to the senior ranks and who didn't continue in the role as they wouldn't manage against us.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 12:52:04 PM
Im sure the Errigal committee, fans and players are happy with that, getting to an ulster quarter final and their manager backing out because of meeting his home club.
f**k that, how much does he get paid?
why did he take the job on? he musnt have had big expectations for Errigal! there is always a good chance they will win Tyrone and Balinderry are a regular to winning derry titles so there is a always that chance that they might meet.
if it were me, i would road him!
dont think this is a wind up, it is on the BBC
sure no-one gets paid in the GAA......
Did Paul McIver not manage Dromore against Ballinderry last year?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 22, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
I have to say I feel a certain level of sympathy for him but it wouldn't have been hard to foresee this happening and maybe it was a point that was brought up at the time of the appointment and agreed upon. I know I would find it hard managing against Cross in championship. Still I am sure it was discussed with the committee before being announced. Imagine the quandry John Mac could have been in if Culloville had drawn Cross this year?
I would say he'd be trying his level best to beat them, otherwise why even take on a team in the same county? It my be a head melt at the time but if you are focused enough on your job then it will be fine. Again never had to do it but would have no problem in plotting my clubs downfall should it ever happen. Be some craic in the club after that game!!
Quote from: real food, real people on October 22, 2012, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 12:52:04 PM
Im sure the Errigal committee, fans and players are happy with that, getting to an ulster quarter final and their manager backing out because of meeting his home club.
f**k that, how much does he get paid?
why did he take the job on? he musnt have had big expectations for Errigal! there is always a good chance they will win Tyrone and Balinderry are a regular to winning derry titles so there is a always that chance that they might meet.
if it were me, i would road him!
dont think this is a wind up, it is on the BBC
sure no-one gets paid in the GAA......
Ah, the issue that dare not speak its name. The GAA is a complete circus at times. All club volunteers should quit for a month across the country to we see the craic.
From speaking to Ronan, prior to him getting the job at the start of the season he informed Errigal that he would only take it on the condition that if they met Ballinderry he would opt out of that game. I understand from him the Errigal committee agreed to that then and now he has taken up this option. Errigal must not have thought Ronan would have taken them this far if they agreed to this!
Ronan is a die hard Ballinderry man and I understand he would have great difficulty to step into an opposition bench against Kevin, Mickey C, Deets, Enda etc all friends he grew up playing football with. It was different with Paul McIver as he did not play with alot of these players and not the same connection as Ronan.
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
From speaking to Ronan, prior to him getting the job at the start of the season he informed Errigal that he would only take it on the condition that if they met Ballinderry he would opt out of that game. I understand from him the Errigal committee agreed to that then and now he has taken up this option. Errigal must not have thought Ronan would have taken them this far if they agreed to this!
Ronan is a die hard Ballinderry man and I understand he would have great difficulty to step into an opposition bench against Kevin, Mickey C, Deets, Enda etc all friends he grew up playing football with. It was different with Paul McIver as he did not play with alot of these players and not the same connection as Ronan.
I have heard today that this is the case and it was agreed. I would imagne our chairman thought f**k it we will cross that bridge if and when the time comes. Not easy for either side this one. One side of me has respect for him to be so attached to his club but the other side says he should be professional and get on with the job.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
From speaking to Ronan, prior to him getting the job at the start of the season he informed Errigal that he would only take it on the condition that if they met Ballinderry he would opt out of that game. I understand from him the Errigal committee agreed to that then and now he has taken up this option. Errigal must not have thought Ronan would have taken them this far if they agreed to this!
Ronan is a die hard Ballinderry man and I understand he would have great difficulty to step into an opposition bench against Kevin, Mickey C, Deets, Enda etc all friends he grew up playing football with. It was different with Paul McIver as he did not play with alot of these players and not the same connection as Ronan.
I have heard today that this is the case and it was agreed. I would imagne our chairman thought f**k it we will cross that bridge if and when the time comes. Not easy for either side this one. One side of me has respect for him to be so attached to his club but the other side says he should be professional and get on with the job.
It is a very difficult situation for both sides and I don't think any of the Ballinderry players and management would have any issues with Ronan doing his job. I know Joe Canavan helped the last time but he wasn't the manager. I think you need to know Ronan and his family to understand the passion they have for Ballinderry.
So passionate that he is away taking another club outside of his own parish (for whatever reason or reasons) when I am sure there are plenty of teams inside his club that could be doing with his level of expert coaching!
Quote from: NAG1 on October 22, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
So passionate that he is away taking another club outside of his own parish (for whatever reason or reasons) when I am sure there are plenty of teams inside his club that could be doing with his level of expert coaching!
Theres no money to be got in your own club!
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 22, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
So passionate that he is away taking another club outside of his own parish (for whatever reason or reasons) when I am sure there are plenty of teams inside his club that could be doing with his level of expert coaching!
Theres no money to be got in your own club!
::)
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
From speaking to Ronan, prior to him getting the job at the start of the season he informed Errigal that he would only take it on the condition that if they met Ballinderry he would opt out of that game. I understand from him the Errigal committee agreed to that then and now he has taken up this option. Errigal must not have thought Ronan would have taken them this far if they agreed to this!
Ronan is a die hard Ballinderry man and I understand he would have great difficulty to step into an opposition bench against Kevin, Mickey C, Deets, Enda etc all friends he grew up playing football with. It was different with Paul McIver as he did not play with alot of these players and not the same connection as Ronan.
I have heard today that this is the case and it was agreed. I would imagne our chairman thought f**k it we will cross that bridge if and when the time comes. Not easy for either side this one. One side of me has respect for him to be so attached to his club but the other side says he should be professional and get on with the job.
It is a very difficult situation for both sides and I don't think any of the Ballinderry players and management would have any issues with Ronan doing his job. I know Joe Canavan helped the last time but he wasn't the manager. I think you need to know Ronan and his family to understand the passion they have for Ballinderry.
I can imagine that, back in January or whenever, the Errigal Committee would have been thinking that it would be a nice problem to have.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on October 22, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
So passionate that he is away taking another club outside of his own parish (for whatever reason or reasons) when I am sure there are plenty of teams inside his club that could be doing with his level of expert coaching!
Theres no money to be got in your own club!
I have heard that he is seen as the next Ballinderry Manager so he may well be cutting his teeth elsewhere.
If the Errigal committe agreed to this it shows the faith they have in the group of players. What is wrong with the man, if Errigal win will a mob be out to get him. If Errigal loose he should go its as simple as that.
Quote from: NAG1 on October 22, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
So passionate that he is away taking another club outside of his own parish (for whatever reason or reasons) when I am sure there are plenty of teams inside his club that could be doing with his level of expert coaching!
He does. He is involved in underage coaching. At present we have an excellent manager in Martin McKinless and we only need one. Martin is over the senior panel and so Ronan had to look elsewhere. I would assume in the future Ronan will a future manager for us. So to answer your question yes Ronan does coaching in our club.
HBCF, you are never going to win this argument, If i were an Errigal comittee member, player, fan, i would be in favour of showing him the door. Get the team together and get down to the hard work. i'll tell you what, there would be no problems with motivating that team to go out and play Balinderry
We had this situation in Offaly back in 1986. A man from our club was training a team that qualified to meet us in the county final. He refused to train them, as he couldn't train a team to beat us when we had been waiting a long time for our next title. Mind you the club he was with were even longer waiting. Anyway, he wasn't with them on the day, and they got an awful trimming. I think he had also agreed ahead of time that were it to happen, he wouldn't coach against us, and the other club were understanding of that too.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
HBCF, you are never going to win this argument, If i were an Errigal comittee member, player, fan, i would be in favour of showing him the door. Get the team together and get down to the hard work. i'll tell you what, there would be no problems with motivating that team to go out and play Balinderry
OB, I am not out to win an argument. Ronan made a difficult decision and I and alot of other people respect him for it. As I said before if he had of stayed on with Errigal the people of Ballinderry would not have had a problem with it. But Ronan is honorable to his and our club - not too many of them guys out there ;). Also Errigal dont need motivation to play ballinderry, we have had history before - which usually included Ronan - therefore no change. Errigal and Ronan had an agreement full stop - even EC unique acknowledged this.
Ronan won the Tyrone county championship with the same team that even Peter the great couldn't so what does the Errigal Committee do? Even a few weeks ago the committee, players and fans were saying that only for Ronan they wont have won it. Ronan knows he is taking a risk in doing what he has done but will Errigal take a risk of showing him the door? Ronan is one of the up and coming managers - do you get rid of him because of it when most likely one of the other teams in Tyrone such as Carrickmore/Omagh will try to get his services instead. These clubs will agree the same with Ronan to get a Tyrone county championship again. Catch 22!!
ONE LIFE/ONE CLUB - UTS
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 05:43:04 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
HBCF, you are never going to win this argument, If i were an Errigal comittee member, player, fan, i would be in favour of showing him the door. Get the team together and get down to the hard work. i'll tell you what, there would be no problems with motivating that team to go out and play Balinderry
OBut Ronan is honorable to his and our club - not too many of them guys out there ;). Also Errigal dont need motivation to play ballinderry, we have had history before - which usually included Ronan - therefore no change. Errigal and Ronan had an agreement full stop - even EC unique acknowledged this.
ONE LIFE/ONE CLUB - UTS
Wonder will he be giving any inside info to the shams management? ;) ;)
ffs sake whats the big deal,surely errigal out of there 5 parishes or whatever it is and there choice of 1000s of players could get a manager out of somewere
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 22, 2012, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on October 22, 2012, 05:43:04 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 22, 2012, 05:02:10 PM
HBCF, you are never going to win this argument, If i were an Errigal comittee member, player, fan, i would be in favour of showing him the door. Get the team together and get down to the hard work. i'll tell you what, there would be no problems with motivating that team to go out and play Balinderry
OBut Ronan is honorable to his and our club - not too many of them guys out there ;). Also Errigal dont need motivation to play ballinderry, we have had history before - which usually included Ronan - therefore no change. Errigal and Ronan had an agreement full stop - even EC unique acknowledged this.
ONE LIFE/ONE CLUB - UTS
Wonder will he be giving any inside info to the shams management? ;) ;)
:-X :-X :-X
Quote from: Family guy on October 22, 2012, 06:18:24 PM
ffs sake whats the big deal,surely errigal out of there 5 parishes or whatever it is and there choice of 1000s of players could get a manager out of somewere
I dont really care. We're still on the razz and that is were I am going now 8) 8)
Quote from: Family guy on October 22, 2012, 06:18:24 PM
ffs sake whats the big deal,surely errigal out of there 5 parishes or whatever it is and there choice of 1000s of players could get a manager out of somewere
Yawn! ::)
When you explain his rationale for stepping down then you have to admire his loyalty since it is not just his own club who's downfall he would be plotting but good mates and family. So he has to be admired for this and I'm sure he will be seen as a hero in Ballinderry for showing such loyalty.
From Errigals point of view though his position could become awkward since should they win I'm sure some of the players and supporters may feel he deserted them and he may struggle to regain the trust that he had. For this one game though I can't help but feel that Errigal will be motivated like nothing before and it will all be based on their manager taking a 2 week sabbatical. Would Mickey Harte be available to step in?
Think itsvery simple. Big Ronan told them before he took the job that if the scenario arose he would step aside. Errigal agreed to this, and the scenario has arose.
Lets move on. Think it should be a cracking game between to good footballing teams.
Home venue is a great advantage for Errigal, but we still went up there and beat Dromore last year so we will take confidence from that.
Think Ulster club is a great comp and im so happy we are back in it
Quote from: GerryFromDerry on October 22, 2012, 08:12:41 PM
Think itsvery simple. Big Ronan told them before he took the job that if the scenario arose he would step aside. Errigal agreed to this, and the scenario has arose.
Lets move on. Think it should be a cracking game between to good footballing teams.
Home venue is a great advantage for Errigal, but we still went up there and beat Dromore last year so we will take confidence from that.
Think Ulster club is a great comp and im so happy we are back in it
Yes and fair play but if the shoe was on the other foot.......
Agree, for Ballinderry supporters this is an admirable show of loyalty by McGuckin and from Errigal's point of view there is probably a certain element of being left in the lurch by their manager. This should add a few people onto the gate and I'm sure this should be a hotly contested contest both on and off the field. In a strange sort of way I feel that McGuckins decision will help Errigal short term but may hinder them long term.
He has made his decision and we must get on with the job at hand. As GFD says the ulster club is a great place to be. I always thought the Tyrone championship is a big of a slog where as the ulster club rewards good football. Our players will forget about him for the next 2 weeks. If the result goes our way there will be some thinking done then.
It is admirable that he feels he can't manage against his own club, but these are one off games that happen every couple of years.
If it was stipulated at the beginning of the season fair play, Errigal committee have had time to plan since they won the the Tyrone championship and seen the draw for ulster.
But I can't help feeling that it should have been kept in house for as long as possible to be fair to all concerned!
Its a situation that should never have arisen - you either coach a team, balls out, or you dont. This is a prestigious competition and both clubs have an excellent tradition. Its a thin form of loyalty to Ballinderry when he has pretty much betrayed the errigal team. It could have been that this eventuality was discussed with the erigal team, but regardless of that there is a squad of players that can only feel let down. other sports have managers who end up playing their old team, and they simply get on with the job.
Part of me admires his loyalty to B/derry, but a larger part says, f**k sake...
Errigal ABU
McGinley 'disappointed' with McGuckin's stance
Tyrone's Enda McGinley
Errigal Ciaran captain Enda McGinley is 'disappointed' by the decision of manager Ronan McGuckin to stand aside for their upcoming Ulster Club SFC clash against Derry's Ballinderry.
Ballinderry native McGuckin has taken the unusual course of action to avoid a conflict of interest.
Apparently, the manager had informed Errigal club officials at the time of his appointment that he would not be prepared to manage a team against his home club should the situation arise but the players only became aware of his stance following their win over Mullahoran at Breffni Park on Sunday.
"I'm disappointed at the course of action he has taken, but he has never hidden the fact that he's a Ballinderry man first and foremost and that has led him to his decision," McGinley told the Irish Independent.
"I knew he would be in a difficult position if the two clubs played each other. But I didn't forsee this course of action."
McGinley added: "What I was unaware of was that he did make it clear when he took on the job that this would be the caveat - if it ever did come to pass that the two clubs would play each other, he wouldn't see himself fit to be involved.
"He is a man of his word. It looked so far away that no comment was every made on that but, unfortunately, it has now come to pass.
"I suppose it couldn't have been talked about before that, because we still had to win a county championship, we still had to beat Mullahoran and Ballinderry still have to beat Slaughtneil, so there was no point in making us aware this was a potential. So it came as a big surprise, a big blow."
Team trainer Tommy McDermott will wear the Bainisteoir bid in McGuckin's absence.
"Ronan McGuckin's ability as a manager has had a huge amount to do with what we have achieved this year so far. Being without him, and being without an experienced manager going into this game, is going to make it exceptionally difficult for us," the former Tyrone star concluded.
I'm wondering if Mickey Harte will help out in the next couple of weeks.
It's the first person I thought of too Club Rossa
Also with PTG there as well I wonder would he be welcomed back for a game or two.
Has he resigned or just stepped down for this game?
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
He has made his decision and we must get on with the job at hand. As GFD says the ulster club is a great place to be. I always thought the Tyrone championship is a big of a slog where as the ulster club rewards good football. Our players will forget about him for the next 2 weeks. If the result goes our way there will be some thinking done then.
so RM gets yous to the Ulster knock-out for the first time in years. If EC get past Ballinderry, what thinking will be done can I ask? Send him packing to the Loughshore with the tail between his legs? Show him, even though its him who has the team conditioned to win championships again, that you dont need him? I take it you're not in the inner sanctum of Errigal's think-tank
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
He has made his decision and we must get on with the job at hand. As GFD says the ulster club is a great place to be. I always thought the Tyrone championship is a big of a slog where as the ulster club rewards good football. Our players will forget about him for the next 2 weeks. If the result goes our way there will be some thinking done then.
so RM gets yous to the Ulster knock-out for the first time in years. If EC get past Ballinderry, what thinking will be done can I ask? Send him packing to the Loughshore with the tail between his legs? Show him, even though its him who has the team conditioned to win championships again, that you dont need him? I take it you're not in the inner sanctum of Errigal's think-tank
Don't be putting words in my mouth J OG >:(. The most important people in this are the 30 players. For the next 2 weeks they must forget about him and get on with preparing to play Ballinderry. That is the job in hand. When there is a result, be that a win or a loss, then the players will have the biggest input into what happens. I know what I think will happen but I will not be posting it on here.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 23, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
He has made his decision and we must get on with the job at hand. As GFD says the ulster club is a great place to be. I always thought the Tyrone championship is a big of a slog where as the ulster club rewards good football. Our players will forget about him for the next 2 weeks. If the result goes our way there will be some thinking done then.
so RM gets yous to the Ulster knock-out for the first time in years. If EC get past Ballinderry, what thinking will be done can I ask? Send him packing to the Loughshore with the tail between his legs? Show him, even though its him who has the team conditioned to win championships again, that you dont need him? I take it you're not in the inner sanctum of Errigal's think-tank
Don't be putting words in my mouth J OG >:(. The most important people in this are the 30 players. For the next 2 weeks they must forget about him and get on with preparing to play Ballinderry. That is the job in hand. When there is a result, be that a win or a loss, then the players will have the biggest input into what happens. . I know what I think will happen but I will not be posting it on here
Hang em high on the Ballygawley roundabout................
His future at EC is bucked regardless of the result surely? Cant unshit yourself.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2012, 05:40:29 PM
His future at EC is bucked regardless of the result surely? Cant unshit yourself.
I wouldn't think he will be that worried. There will be plenty of other clubs willing to part with hard earned to "employ" him. Will probably be the next Ballinderry manager when McKinless steps aside, either him or McIvor Jnr.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 23, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 23, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 22, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
He has made his decision and we must get on with the job at hand. As GFD says the ulster club is a great place to be. I always thought the Tyrone championship is a big of a slog where as the ulster club rewards good football. Our players will forget about him for the next 2 weeks. If the result goes our way there will be some thinking done then.
so RM gets yous to the Ulster knock-out for the first time in years. If EC get past Ballinderry, what thinking will be done can I ask? Send him packing to the Loughshore with the tail between his legs? Show him, even though its him who has the team conditioned to win championships again, that you dont need him? I take it you're not in the inner sanctum of Errigal's think-tank
Don't be putting words in my mouth J OG >:(. The most important people in this are the 30 players. For the next 2 weeks they must forget about him and get on with preparing to play Ballinderry. That is the job in hand. When there is a result, be that a win or a loss, then the players will have the biggest input into what happens. I know what I think will happen but I will not be posting it on here.
Fair enough sir . Will be a quare game
Will McGuckin be giving out inside information to Ballinderry during his sabbatical? The plot thickens, this could be the game of the c'ship. Have to say the Club c'ship is almost as entertaining as the intercounty c'ship. Great competition.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 23, 2012, 10:32:45 PM
Will McGuckin be giving out inside information to Ballinderry during his sabbatical? The plot thickens, this could be the game of the c'ship. Have to say the Club c'ship is almost as entertaining as the intercounty c'ship. Great competition.
id be surprsied if there is much to be given away, at this stage...but, your 100%, its a deadly competition alright...has certainly spiced up the tie, adn no doubt the southern press will be standing by waiting for the schemozzle...cos there is bound to be one, right?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 22, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
I have to say I feel a certain level of sympathy for him but it wouldn't have been hard to foresee this happening and maybe it was a point that was brought up at the time of the appointment and agreed upon. I know I would find it hard managing against Cross in championship. Still I am sure it was discussed with the committee before being announced. Imagine the quandry John Mac could have been in if Culloville had drawn Cross this year?
The last time the blues drew Cross in the championship 98/99? Semi final... A cross man was over Culloville and didn't say much that day.... Understandable, but unfair.
What would you have done if Scotstown had won the Monaghan championship ;)
Quote from: thebandit on October 23, 2012, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 22, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
I have to say I feel a certain level of sympathy for him but it wouldn't have been hard to foresee this happening and maybe it was a point that was brought up at the time of the appointment and agreed upon. I know I would find it hard managing against Cross in championship. Still I am sure it was discussed with the committee before being announced. Imagine the quandry John Mac could have been in if Culloville had drawn Cross this year?
The last time the blues drew Cross in the championship 98/99? Semi final... A cross man was over Culloville and didn't say much that day.... Understandable, but unfair.
What would you have done if Scotstown had won the Monaghan championship ;)
I'll answer that one next year ;)
Anybody clarify time of bderry and errigal game???????
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Anybody clarify time of bderry and errigal game???????
Its not until Sunday week you know?
Quote from: EC Unique on October 25, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Anybody clarify time of bderry and errigal game???????
Its not until Sunday week you know?
I know but going from lpool to belfast for michaela harte game and have to get public transport from bfast to magh and want to make sure I get the right bus!!
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 25, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Anybody clarify time of bderry and errigal game???????
Its not until Sunday week you know?
I know but going from lpool to belfast for michaela harte game and have to get public transport from bfast to magh and want to make sure I get the right bus!!
Time prob not fixed yet but a lot of them are double fixtures with an Inter game before the senior game. I would go for 1.45 and 3.30 as a guess. If a single game 2.00.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 25, 2012, 03:45:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 25, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Anybody clarify time of bderry and errigal game???????
Its not until Sunday week you know?
I know but going from lpool to belfast for michaela harte game and have to get public transport from bfast to magh and want to make sure I get the right bus!!
Time prob not fixed yet but a lot of them are double fixtures with an Inter game before the senior game. I would go for 1.45 and 3.30 as a guess. If a single game 2.00.
Could be an hour earlier with the time changes. 1:00 % 2:30 for double headers.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/latest-fixtures/
all games fixtures are timed here. 2.30 start
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 03:43:31 PM
You could always ask if there is someone on here going from Belfast to Omagh for the match.
Your singsongs in the car will have people tripping over themselves to give you a lift although they'll probably get a puncture and miss the match, ya scudding hoor.
hi yer some craic lad, must get a drink with ye sometime day buck!!
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 25, 2012, 03:43:31 PM
You could always ask if there is someone on here going from Belfast to Omagh for the match.
Your singsongs in the car will have people tripping over themselves to give you a lift although they'll probably get a puncture and miss the match, ya scudding hoor.
hi yer some craic lad, must get a drink with ye sometime day buck!!
Be very disappointed!!
Quote from: theticklemister on October 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
belfast for michaela harte game and have to get public transport from bfast to omagh and want to make sure I get the right bus!!
This is the only suitable bus time wise
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/377.jpg?t=1351185812)
or get to know some Ardoyne ones at the Casement match as they have to be in Omagh for 12-45pm on the Sunday.
Ardoyne boys gonna hijack a bus at 12.30 then ;D ;D ;D
Aye drici I have seen the times mucker , I thought maybe ti may have been 3.30 and the bus after would of been sweet but that one is a bit early. I may fly on home and content myself with a ballinderry victory on sunday!!!!
Thanks lad.
It's some craic looking at the betting for the All Ireland club football and your club is 3rd favourites!!
Though the favourites are Errigal (according to the some :o) at 33/1
Ok call it lads. Errigal, Ballinderry or draw on Sunday? I'll go for Errigal by 3.
A win for Ballinderry.
Errigal 1-12 Ballinderry 2-14
If there's a draw will mcguckin be back for the replay :D
Would McGuckian not be better leaving now altogether? He doesn't want to be involved in this game against his home club, but if Errigal win , he will be managing the team that knocked out his home club bla ... Should have stayed on and managed Errigal, Ballinderry win the Derry Championship on a regular basis, not like they would never get back to this stage again.
Think Errigal will win, although Mullahoran were poor, they tried hard but simply could live with the pace and skill of Errigal. Would be a lot closer that that game i'd imagine.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 30, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Would McGuckian not be better leaving now altogether? He doesn't want to be involved in this game against his home club, but if Errigal win , he will be managing the team that knocked out his home club bla ... Should have stayed on and managed Errigal, Ballinderry win the Derry Championship on a regular basis, not like they would never get back to this stage again.
Think Errigal will win, although Mullahoran were poor, they tried hard but simply could live with the pace and skill of Errigal. Would be a lot closer that that game i'd imagine.
Think Errigal will win handy in fairness, I'm going for a 4/5 point win
Ballinderry by 1. Could be a humdinger this one, disappointed its not on TG4.
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
I foresee a huge big row that spills over from the terraces between both sets of fans.
a Carrickmore fan hits the ref
a Dromore fan starts fight with Carrickmore fan(s)
the whole thing makes the leading story on UTV News on Sunday night.
Croke park get involved:
18 Ballinderry supporters banned for 67 years, suspended for 5 minutes
18 errigal supporters banned for 5 minutes, and suspended for 67 years
then the belfast telegraph run story on front page on the monday
irish news run story in obituarys same day
On tuesday, Mike Sheehy comes on here ranting about us nordy brits being ignorant hures
errigal win the replay
Not even remotely funny and i bet that you took ages to think up...
Ballinderry to win. Don't know what EC will have learned from the Mullahoran affair whereas Ballinderry are just back off a hard challenge from Slaughtneil... with McGuckin no doubt whispering sweet nothings to the shamrock camp they have the upperhand here. Shamrocks by 2-3 pts.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on October 31, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
I foresee a huge big row that spills over from the terraces between both sets of fans.
a Carrickmore fan hits the ref
a Dromore fan starts fight with Carrickmore fan(s)
the whole thing makes the leading story on UTV News on Sunday night.
Croke park get involved:
18 Ballinderry supporters banned for 67 years, suspended for 5 minutes
18 errigal supporters banned for 5 minutes, and suspended for 67 years
then the belfast telegraph run story on front page on the monday
irish news run story in obituarys same day
On tuesday, Mike Sheehy comes on here ranting about us nordy brits being ignorant hures
errigal win the replay
Where do derrytresk stand in all this?
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 12:28:22 PM
Not even remotely funny and i bet that you took ages to think up...
ditto
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Yes, Paul Finlay got married last weekend and is away to the states on honeymoon. Kill coo should win this with a bit to spare.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 31, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Yes, Paul Finlay got married last weekend and is away to the states on honeymoon. Kill coo should win this with a bit to spare.
I'm hearing conflicting reports on this one. Finlay definitely got married last weekend and indeed played in the Monaghan League final on Sunday where they were beat by 8 points. He had planned to head off on honeymoon this week but I've been told this may now be deferred. Can anyone confirm?
Kilcoo on the other hand were hammered in the Down semi final League by Mayobridge but only played a handful of regular players. If Finlay plays it could be a close affair, if not Kilcoo should win with a bit to spare.
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Will be a close game Kilcoo should win it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Will be a close game Kilcoo should win it.
Personally I think Ballybay will win it. The have the fitness and pace to match Kilcoo and the workrate and in Paul Finlay they have a top class operator. I reckon they will win it by 4.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2012, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Will be a close game Kilcoo should win it.
Personally I think Ballybay will win it. The have the fitness and pace to match Kilcoo and the workrate and in Paul Finlay they have a top class operator. I reckon they will win it by 4.
Ballybay have been the best team in Monaghan over the past 2 years. They would have won the SFC last year only too Latton daylight robbed them in the semi final. They play a lovely brand of pacy attacking football with excellent passing and support play. But Jap Finlay is on his honeymoon and unlikely to be present for the Kilcoo match. He's undenieably their best player and would be a huge loss to them. Their pacy forwards such as McGuiness brothers and Thomas Kerr rely on Jap's superb foot passing a lot. If Jap was available I'd fancy Ballybay, but if not Kilcoo to win.
Quote from: Sleater on November 01, 2012, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2012, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
Quote from: manballandall on October 31, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Anyone any insight predictions for kilcco game ?
Will be a close game Kilcoo should win it.
Personally I think Ballybay will win it. The have the fitness and pace to match Kilcoo and the workrate and in Paul Finlay they have a top class operator. I reckon they will win it by 4.
Ballybay have been the best team in Monaghan over the past 2 years. They would have won the SFC last year only too Latton daylight robbed them in the semi final. They play a lovely brand of pacy attacking football with excellent passing and support play. But Jap Finlay is on his honeymoon and unlikely to be present for the Kilcoo match. He's undenieably their best player and would be a huge loss to them. Their pacy forwards such as McGuiness brothers and Thomas Kerr rely on Jap's superb foot passing a lot. If Jap was available I'd fancy Ballybay, but if not Kilcoo to win.
Would agree about Jap. I can't believe he would miss this chance, honeymoon or not.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 31, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on October 31, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
I foresee a huge big row that spills over from the terraces between both sets of fans.
a Carrickmore fan hits the ref
a Dromore fan starts fight with Carrickmore fan(s)
the whole thing makes the leading story on UTV News on Sunday night.
Croke park get involved:
18 Ballinderry supporters banned for 67 years, suspended for 5 minutes
18 errigal supporters banned for 5 minutes, and suspended for 67 years
then the belfast telegraph run story on front page on the monday
irish news run story in obituarys same day
On tuesday, Mike Sheehy comes on here ranting about us nordy brits being ignorant hures
errigal win the replay
Where do derrytresk stand in all this?
Too busy tearing up Strabane.
Giving heavy rain for Sunday afternoon. Don't know about Ballinderry but this will def not suit Errigal's style of football. :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on November 02, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Giving heavy rain for Sunday afternoon. Don't know about Ballinderry but this will def not suit Errigal's style of football. :-\
Will only bring the score down, Errigal to win by 2 (due to weather) 0-11 1-10
Quote from: EC Unique on November 02, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Giving heavy rain for Sunday afternoon. Don't know about Ballinderry but this will def not suit Errigal's style of football. :-\
Frig that, hoping to head to the game. Shamrocks know how to mix it in all weather. Ballinderry by 2!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 02, 2012, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 02, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Giving heavy rain for Sunday afternoon. Don't know about Ballinderry but this will def not suit Errigal's style of football. :-\
Frig that, hoping to head to the game. Shamrocks know how to mix it in all weather. Ballinderry by 2!!
Gonna be tight but
McGuckin McKindless should have the game plan to give the Shamrocks the edge
Quote from: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 02, 2012, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 02, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Giving heavy rain for Sunday afternoon. Don't know about Ballinderry but this will def not suit Errigal's style of football. :-\
Frig that, hoping to head to the game. Shamrocks know how to mix it in all weather. Ballinderry by 2!!
Gonna be tight but McGuckin McKindless should have the game plan to give the Shamrocks the edge
Ballinderry have one of the best forward units left in the whole competition on paper. It is a matter of them ticking; when they eventually do they'll be a tough to stop. They possess a lot of power, strength and height around the middle also. I have not seen Errigal play in years so will they be able to handle the physical power of the Shamrocks around centre field?
I initially fancied Errigal Ciaran but the more i've thought on this one i can't see anything other than a Ballinderry victory.
I initially thought that McGuckin's departure might galvanise the errigal ciaran lads and they also seemed to have a bit of momentum about them.
However, the reason for my volte-face is down to one thing .... uncertainty.
The reports that i've heard of McGuckin paint him as a meticulous, "no stone left unturned" type manager.
If you take him out of the fold for two weeks in the run up to a crucial game then the routine that players have got used to gets disrupted and that can never be good.
Perhaps i'm wrong but I don't know if there is a clear cut number two that has taken up McGuckin's role/duties. Someone that will take responsibility for picking the team etc.
If there is not and it's a collaborative effort amongst a number of individuals then I think that could have the potential to create a bit of uncertainty and that is not ideal preparation going into a big game.
Also in addition to this the errigal ciaran players will naturally be going through the WHAT IFs ... and you don't want those running about your head in a run up to a big game either:
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran win, do they welcome McGuckin back and continue their ulster campaign with him ?
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran lose, do they welcome McGuckin back and regroup for next year ?
For me Ballinderry will win this by 3-4 points.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 02, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
I initially fancied Errigal Ciaran but the more i've thought on this one i can't see anything other than a Ballinderry victory.
I initially thought that McGuckin's departure might galvanise the errigal ciaran lads and they also seemed to have a bit of momentum about them.
However, the reason for my volte-face is down to one thing .... uncertainty.
The reports that i've heard of McGuckin paint him as a meticulous, "no stone left unturned" type manager.
If you take him out of the fold for two weeks in the run up to a crucial game then the routine that players have got used to gets disrupted and that can never be good.
Perhaps i'm wrong but I don't know if there is a clear cut number two that has taken up McGuckin's role/duties. Someone that will take responsibility for picking the team etc.
If there is not and it's a collaborative effort amongst a number of individuals then I think that could have the potential to create a bit of uncertainty and that is not ideal preparation going into a big game.
Also in addition to this the errigal ciaran players will naturally be going through the WHAT IFs ... and you don't want those running about your head in a run up to a big game either:
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran win, do they welcome McGuckin back and continue their ulster campaign with him ?
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran lose, do they welcome McGuckin back and regroup for next year ?
For me Ballinderry will win this by 3-4 points.
Would agree with that assessment. Errigal probably have as good, if not better individual players but Ballinderry are a seasoned team at this level and there is greater certainty in backing them. Personally I would like to see Errigal win cos I think they would have the better chance of beating Cross should they get through. I can't see Ballinderry getting past Cross, they have tried too many times before and failed.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 02, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
I initially fancied Errigal Ciaran but the more i've thought on this one i can't see anything other than a Ballinderry victory.
I initially thought that McGuckin's departure might galvanise the errigal ciaran lads and they also seemed to have a bit of momentum about them.
However, the reason for my volte-face is down to one thing .... uncertainty.
The reports that i've heard of McGuckin paint him as a meticulous, "no stone left unturned" type manager.
If you take him out of the fold for two weeks in the run up to a crucial game then the routine that players have got used to gets disrupted and that can never be good.
Perhaps i'm wrong but I don't know if there is a clear cut number two that has taken up McGuckin's role/duties. Someone that will take responsibility for picking the team etc.
If there is not and it's a collaborative effort amongst a number of individuals then I think that could have the potential to create a bit of uncertainty and that is not ideal preparation going into a big game.
Also in addition to this the errigal ciaran players will naturally be going through the WHAT IFs ... and you don't want those running about your head in a run up to a big game either:
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran win, do they welcome McGuckin back and continue their ulster campaign with him ?
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran lose, do they welcome McGuckin back and regroup for next year ?
For me Ballinderry will win this by 3-4 points.
There is a man to take charge. Thomas mc dermott has been mcguckian's right hand man from he landed. He is a club man to the bone. The team that has started has been exactly the same the last 3 championship games and I can't see any changes. There is a wealth of experience in the panel and they are a very close knit group. They will not lack in motivation. I am really looking forward to Sunday.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 02, 2012, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 02, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
I initially fancied Errigal Ciaran but the more i've thought on this one i can't see anything other than a Ballinderry victory.
I initially thought that McGuckin's departure might galvanise the errigal ciaran lads and they also seemed to have a bit of momentum about them.
However, the reason for my volte-face is down to one thing .... uncertainty.
The reports that i've heard of McGuckin paint him as a meticulous, "no stone left unturned" type manager.
If you take him out of the fold for two weeks in the run up to a crucial game then the routine that players have got used to gets disrupted and that can never be good.
Perhaps i'm wrong but I don't know if there is a clear cut number two that has taken up McGuckin's role/duties. Someone that will take responsibility for picking the team etc.
If there is not and it's a collaborative effort amongst a number of individuals then I think that could have the potential to create a bit of uncertainty and that is not ideal preparation going into a big game.
Also in addition to this the errigal ciaran players will naturally be going through the WHAT IFs ... and you don't want those running about your head in a run up to a big game either:
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran win, do they welcome McGuckin back and continue their ulster campaign with him ?
WHAT IF ... Errigal Ciaran lose, do they welcome McGuckin back and regroup for next year ?
For me Ballinderry will win this by 3-4 points.
There is a man to take charge. Thomas mc dermott has been mcguckian's right hand man from he landed. He is a club man to the bone. The team that has started has been exactly the same the last 3 championship games and I can't see any changes. There is a wealth of experience in the panel and they are a very close knit group. They will not lack in motivation. I am really looking forward to Sunday.
Who are Man U playing ?
Anywhere I can listen to the Errigal Ballinderry game online??
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on November 04, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
Anywhere I can listen to the Errigal Ballinderry game online??
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/ (http://www.teamtalkmag.com/)
By all accounts the galls match is a foregone conclusion after 15 mins.
9 points up after 20 mins
Shaping up for a clinker here at Healy Park. Both teams going for it with very little negative stuff. Errigal started strong but Ballinderry reorganised and had the upper hand coming to the end of the half. 5 all.
Could be game over here Errigal 5 points on the bounce after HT and Bderry down to 14 after their CB sent off for cynical play.
Kilcoo 5 up
Can radio ulster mw be listened to online?
Errigal Ciaran win by a point, but should ahve won by 10. Ballinderry should have had another 3 men sent off according to the radio!
St galls 1-15 tempo 0.09 FT
I'm sure its mentioned on the board somewhere before but is McGuckian coming back now for the next game or is he out now for good?
Any reports on the match or on the sendings off etc?
Congrats to EC. That's a big psychological boost beating a big gun. The semi will be some game.
Now the fun starts. What way does RMcG stand? There's no way the player/manager relationship will be the same.
I take it from your post Omagh G that he's back in again then for the semi.
How long is it since Cross had their last competitive match?
I see should they win next weekend they will then play 2 weeks in a row.
Was McGuckian at the game today?
I don't know what the story is re RMcG fuzz. Just speculating.
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) 0-09 St Galls(Antrim) 1-15 (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) 0-07 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 0-13 (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-11 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 0-10 (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Naomh Adhamhnáin(Donegal) (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down)
Armagh/Donegal v Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone)
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Happy man. The 20 minutes after half time Errigal were fantastic. Blew Ballinderry away by dominating midfield. Then Ballinderry made a great come back inspired by a master class from enda Muldoon bossing the midfield. Errigal deserved the win but fair play to Ballinderry. They never gave up.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 06:18:13 PM
Happy man. The 20 minutes after half time Errigal were fantastic. Blew Ballinderry away by dominating midfield. Then Ballinderry made a great come back inspired by a master class from enda Muldoon bossing the midfield. Errigal deserved the win but fair play to Ballinderry. They never gave up.
Well done Errigal but the mother of all games will be the semi final against Cross. The big question everyone wants to know is will McGuckin be back?
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 06:18:13 PM
Happy man. The 20 minutes after half time Errigal were fantastic. Blew Ballinderry away by dominating midfield. Then Ballinderry made a great come back inspired by a master class from enda Muldoon bossing the midfield. Errigal deserved the win but fair play to Ballinderry. They never gave up.
Well done Errigal but the mother of all games will be the semi final against Cross. The big question everyone wants to know is will McGuckin be back?
According to reports on Twitter the players had a meeting after the game and McGuckin will be back on Tuesday evening.
Disappointing result today. Didn't really get going for whatever reasons. Congrats to Errigal, great club and deserved it on the day.
Seamus Heaney, Dana, Phil Coulter, Gregory Campbell, Cardinal Daly, Paul McCloskey your boys took one hell of a beating!!
Will McGuckin be welcomed back with open arms?
Will Tommy McDermott deck him on his way back into the changing rooms??
Will Cross manage to squander another 9 point half time lead at the diesel fields or manage to finish the job and eventually claim a first USFC win over the mighty Ballygawley men???
Too many questions yet to be answered!!!!
Think you mean Bishop Daly. The Cardinal was a Saffron.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
Think you mean Bishop Daly. The Cardinal was a Saffron.
And Bishop Daly a Fermanagh man??
My guess would be that McGuckian will be back bursting his balls to get us ready to take on who ever is in the semi with us. The players will take him back no bother andthey are the only people who matter.
I'm not normally one for defending Cross, but Errigal's record v Cross is akin to Down's noisy claims v Kerry, as Colm O'Rourke rightly pointed out it was a nonsense - 'where were you in the intervening years between Down /Kerry games? Kerry were here most years'. Same applies here.
Quote from: AQMP on November 04, 2012, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
Think you mean Bishop Daly. The Cardinal was a Saffron.
And Bishop Daly a Fermanagh man??
The cardinal was a bishop too at one stage.
Who was playing at the Athletic Grounds today - seemed to be a decentish crowd going by the cars parked all over the place instead of in the car park!
Cookstown and Killeavy - cheaper to park outside than to pay £3 into carpark - that would have been 50p for every Killeavy point
Errigal Ciaran's Davy Harte "I'd be very much of the opinion that Ronan McGuckin will be back as manager and at training On Tuesday night"
Anyone know much about this Donegal side? Can they give cross a challenge?
They are from letterkenny
When is Crossmaglen v St Eunan's game ??
Is it the 11th or 18th November ??
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 04, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
When is Crossmaglen v St Eunan's game ??
Is it the 11th or 18th November ??
11th - Cross v St. Eunan's
18th - Cross v Errigal
2nd - Cross v St. Gall's
Quote from: AFS on November 04, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 04, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
When is Crossmaglen v St Eunan's game ??
Is it the 11th or 18th November ??
11th - Cross v St. Eunan's
18th - Cross v Errigal
2nd - Cross v St. Gall's
;)
First team that can stop Jamie Clarke beats Cross, assuming they are better than what Cross faced in Armagh, to be fair i'd say Ogs were as strong as any team left.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 09:45:09 PM
Anyone know much about this Donegal side? Can they give cross a challenge?
Would you be hoping they take Cross out for you's? No chance will they trouble Cross, you's will have to do it all yourselves. I don't think Errigal have any inferiority complex with Cross that a lot of teams in Armagh and even in Ulster do. Individually I think Errigal are better players and if they can go in with a proper gameplan I think they COULD beat Cross. I would still favour Cross to win it though I do know that Errigal will be the one team that Cross would be wary of.
They always had St Galls and Ballinderrys numbervand those 2 teams had mental hang ups with playing Cross that Errigal won't have.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 04, 2012, 10:14:33 PM
First team that can stop Jamie Clarke beats Cross, assuming they are better than what Cross faced in Armagh, to be fair i'd say Ogs were as strong as any team left.
Would agree with that. Cross are a hardworking team but Jamie Clarke is their stand out player, stop him and you are half way there. Easier said than done though.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 04, 2012, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 09:45:09 PM
Anyone know much about this Donegal side? Can they give cross a challenge?
Would you be hoping they take Cross out for you's? No chance will they trouble Cross, you's will have to do it all yourselves. I don't think Errigal have any inferiority complex with Cross that a lot of teams in Armagh and even in Ulster do. Individually I think Errigal are better players and if they can go in with a proper gameplan I think they COULD beat Cross. I would still favour Cross to win it though I do know that Errigal will be the one team that Cross would be wary of.
They always had St Galls and Ballinderrys numbervand those 2 teams had mental hang ups with playing Cross that Errigal won't have.
I could not care less who we play. We will not fear anyone, why should we?
Our full back line has been outstanding this season and will be mad to get a chance at this Clarke boyo ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
My guess would be that McGuckian will be back bursting his balls to get us ready to take on who ever is in the semi with us. The players will take him back no bother andthey are the only people who matter.
Personally, I think its a bit pathetic really. I think the players should tell McGuckian that thanks for all his help throughout the year and helping lead them to a county final but say no thanks to him returning to training Tuesday night, they can see the rest of the season out themselves.
Its a very odd & awkward situation that a man who was wanting to see them beat today will be back at the reigns next week (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/spaz.gif)
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Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 04, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
My guess would be that McGuckian will be back bursting his balls to get us ready to take on who ever is in the semi with us. The players will take him back no bother andthey are the only people who matter.
Personally, I think its a bit pathetic really. I think the players should tell McGuckian that thanks for all his help throughout the year and helping lead them to a county final but say no thanks to him returning to training Tuesday night, they can see the rest of the season out themselves.
Its a very odd & awkward situation that a man who was wanting to see them beat today will be back at the reigns next week (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/spaz.gif)
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I agree that it is a very strange situation but the players want him back. If we are to progress any further in this competition then we will need all the help we can get. If he can add something to the cause then fair enough.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 04, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
Personally, I think its a bit pathetic really. I think the players should tell McGuckian that thanks for all his help throughout the year and helping lead them to a county final but say no thanks to him returning to training Tuesday night, they can see the rest of the season out themselves.
I have been told when he agreed to become manager, he made it clear to the club committee that he would step aside if they were facing Ballinderry.
So, if that is true, then it will have been no shock to anyone within the club, making it much easier to accept.
Additionally, the players know he is honest. Honest enough not to want to sell them short with conflicting interests and honest enough to put in 100% the rest of the time.
Great performance by peter harte today. Super player. Got a few late tackles today but just simply got up and dusted himself down and got on with it, I think this might mirror the man as he seems a genuine player on and off the pitch.
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:07:37 PM
Great performance by peter harte today. Super player. Got a few late tackles today but just simply got up and dusted himself down and got on with it, I think this might mirror the man as he seems a genuine player on and off the pitch.
Watched him closely today. Superb player. Can speed and slow down play as he see fits. Great at accelerating into the tackle a breaking it. A real joy to watch. Nasty slap by Conway on him at the end but nothing new from that individual.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 04, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 04, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
My guess would be that McGuckian will be back bursting his balls to get us ready to take on who ever is in the semi with us. The players will take him back no bother andthey are the only people who matter.
Personally, I think its a bit pathetic really. I think the players should tell McGuckian that thanks for all his help throughout the year and helping lead them to a county final but say no thanks to him returning to training Tuesday night, they can see the rest of the season out themselves.
Its a very odd & awkward situation that a man who was wanting to see them beat today will be back at the reigns next week (http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/spaz.gif)
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I think you have to admire the man for the stand he took and from what I have heard he is man with a lot of integrity who was probably left in a situation he didn't want to be in. If the players accept him back then that's all that matters. If they happened to beat Cross they could be hard to beat
The other semi final is interesting and I think we could see a shock here with Kilcoos defensive system giving St Galls a lot of problems. Kilcoo are a team of grinders with a master tactician in Jim McCorry and I would expect them to beat St Galls.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 04, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:07:37 PM
Great performance by peter harte today. Super player. Got a few late tackles today but just simply got up and dusted himself down and got on with it, I think this might mirror the man as he seems a genuine player on and off the pitch.
Watched him closely today. Superb player. Can speed and slow down play as he see fits. Great at accelerating into the tackle a breaking it. A real joy to watch. Nasty slap by Conway on him at the end but nothing new from that individual.
Yes disappointed in conway as a footballer and person in recent years.
How come Colin Devlin can't make the Derry panel?, always thought he was a good player, suppose to have been good again today.. He was on it a few years ago, but thought he would be a regular, has the talent
Collie is an excellent player and was the only outlet that ballinderry had today. He has been wrecked with injuries in recent years but seems to be over it now and with brian mciver at the helm im sure he'll be nack. Collie must be 25/26.
On that subject im thinking how many bderry boys should be on the county squad for the forthcoming season........
Nevin
Mickey c
R wilkinson
Collie devlin
Gilligan
Harney and conway on todays performance are miles off.
Muldoon and mcguckin have retired
Walter conway was subbed. Did he come on at the end and have a go and harte?
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:43:43 PM
Collie is an excellent player and was the only outlet that ballinderry had today. He has been wrecked with injuries in recent years but seems to be over it now and with brian mciver at the helm im sure he'll be nack. Collie must be 25/26.
On that subject im thinking how many bderry boys should be on the county squad for the forthcoming season........
Nevin
Mickey c
R wilkinson
Collie devlin
Gilligan
Harney and conway on todays performance are miles off.
Muldoon and mcguckin have retired
Collie Devlin is 27/28 tickle. Yeah wrecked by injuries alright. Loads of talent but maybe a bit light for inter county. In saying that Derry could definitely do with him. For me the Ballinderry men I would be looking at for the county panel would be Nevin, Aaron and Collie Devlin and Sucky bell. Not a fan of Mickey c's kickouts and deets past it!
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:48:46 PM
Walter conway was subbed. Did he come on at the end and have a go and harte?
It wasn't James that hit him in the back it was Darren.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 04, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:48:46 PM
Walter conway was subbed. Did he come on at the end and have a go and harte?
It wasn't James that hit him in the back it was Darren.
The badness must run the family!!!!!
Id give sucky bell another year as he still is minor is he not and aaron devlin floats in and out of games too easily to make a breakthrough at county level and needs time to develop physically also. I dont know if he was called up last week or not but still umder 21 and has time to develop. He has been poor in this years derry sfc. Aye I think deets is passed it now, I let my heart rule my head there on that one!! Gilligam is such an honest footballer who gives it his all that I wish more people were like him in the derry squad.
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:59:45 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 04, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 04, 2012, 11:48:46 PM
Walter conway was subbed. Did he come on at the end and have a go and harte?
It wasn't James that hit him in the back it was Darren.
The badness must run the family!!!!!
Id give sucky bell another year as he still is minor is he not and aaron devlin floats in and out of games too easily to make a breakthrough at county level and needs time to develop physically also. I dont know if he was called up last week or not but still umder 21 and has time to develop. He has been poor in this years derry sfc. Aye I think deets is passed it now, I let my heart rule my head there on that one!! Gilligam is such an honest footballer who gives it his all that I wish more people were like him in the derry squad.
No angel lets just say. Aaron took a very heavy hit early on today. Thought he was excellent in the Derry final though. Gilligan was played out position today. He doesn't have the legs for wing half forward. Sucky is certainly developed enough to play senior football. Just needs to put a solid performance together. Plays in fits and starts. He's young though.
Slaughtneil left aaron devlin in oceans of space on numerous occasions. Errigal did not today. He threw off the slaughtneil mans attention with ease he tried to throw off peter harte on one occasion today and couldnt shake him and lost possession. His best game was the final. Was poor in rest of the games.
Enough talking about the football must hit the hay as im up early in the morn amd dream about derry winning the all ireland......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
It looks like St Galls to lose. They will beat Kilcoo handy enough in the semis and that's them in the final.
It's good to see Errigal going well in ulster as they are the only Tyrone club team with a bit of class running through them. McCrory looks a really good defender, the hartes in the half back line, mcginley in midfield. However, Ballinderry really showed today how crap derry football is at the moment. Cross are there for the taking but I cant see St Eunan's making much off an impact. EC have an outside chance of beating cross but I fancy St Galls to win the final either way.
Thoroughly enjoyed the game yesterday. As someone alluded to there Ballinderry losing midfield was the cause of their downfall. Muldoon, Conway and Harney weren't mobile enough for Errigal on the ground. Whereas they won the aerial battle in the County final Errigal broke everything and attacked at pace which Ballinderry had problems coping with. Moss McGuckin might have helped had he been brought on earlier.
Muldoon for the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half was immense but Ballinderry blew 2 chances and both fell to Michael McIvor. Having fallen too easily when they were a point down he lost possession when he should have scored and also he then had a chance to kick the winning score but took too long and Peter Harte just got a hand to it. This was crucial and stopped Ballinderry's momentum.
Peter Harte had some last 15 minutes, carrying the ball with poise and making some excellent interceptions. A classy player! Good luck to Errigal against Cross. I fancy it to be a good game but can't see Cross getting beaten!
Fukcing hell lads, let us get to the "dream" semi first before writing us up/shooting us down!!!! Letterkenny will be hard to beat and there's no way around that. They have had a run of competitive matches, we have not hd one since the county final. They are on a high, we are just run of the mill. Next week is far from a foregone conclusion!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 05, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Fukcing hell lads, let us get to the "dream" semi first before writing us up/shooting us down!!!! Letterkenny will be hard to beat and there's no way around that. They have had a run of competitive matches, we have not hd one since the county final. They are on a high, we are just run of the mill. Next week is far from a foregone conclusion!
I'm not sure about 'run of the mill' BC but you have a point about a lack of games. There is nothing like competitive matches to build a run. Where is the game and what time? I might go for a gander.
If you get through I can see the media/public making more of the game than the 2 teams. Neither will fear the other and it could be a cracker but you boys have a job to do first.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 05, 2012, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 05, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Fukcing hell lads, let us get to the "dream" semi first before writing us up/shooting us down!!!! Letterkenny will be hard to beat and there's no way around that. They have had a run of competitive matches, we have not hd one since the county final. They are on a high, we are just run of the mill. Next week is far from a foregone conclusion!
I'm not sure about 'run of the mill' BC but you have a point about a lack of games. There is nothing like competitive matches to build a run. Where is the game and what time? I might go for a gander.
If you get through I can see the media/public making more of the game than the 2 teams. Neither will fear the other and it could be a cracker but you boys have a job to do first.
Athletic Grounds.
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Can't see it. Jarlath is being disrespectful to both teams.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Sadly this is accurate. The rushed co championship and the fact that Cross are as good as they are certainly play a part, but it is still a poor reflection on Donegal club football that Eunan's are unlikely to be able to compete. Reading through this thread and seeing most people ignore the fact that Cross have to play Eunan's is hard to take.
Quote from: orangeman on November 05, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Can't see it. Jarlath is being disrespectful to both teams.
Did you get a chance to watch the game? The football was of poor enough standard and the reality is that Donegal clubs have repeatedly failed to make any major impact on the Ulster club championship.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Sadly this is accurate. The rushed co championship and the fact that Cross are as good as they are certainly play a part, but it is still a poor reflection on Donegal club football that Eunan's are unlikely to be able to compete. Reading through this thread and seeing most people ignore the fact that Cross have to play Eunan's is hard to take.
You'll see that there is no one from Cross saying that though.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 12:17:57 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 05, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Can't see it. Jarlath is being disrespectful to both teams.
Did you get a chance to watch the game? The football was of poor enough standard and the reality is that Donegal clubs have repeatedly failed to make any major impact on the Ulster club championship.
Did indeed.
Can't see Cross tanking them. I must look out for the handicap.
Read the St. Galls report this morn. 11 different scorers! Some going.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 05, 2012, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Sadly this is accurate. The rushed co championship and the fact that Cross are as good as they are certainly play a part, but it is still a poor reflection on Donegal club football that Eunan's are unlikely to be able to compete. Reading through this thread and seeing most people ignore the fact that Cross have to play Eunan's is hard to take.
You'll see that there is no one from Cross saying that though.
I think we can always depend on you Cross boys to stay "on message" ;)
Handicap is minus 5.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Read the St. Galls report this morn. 11 different scorers! Some going.
Kevin played really well before going off injured. Tempo were dung, they didn't win one ball that went into their back line in the first half, we also dominated the midfield area far too easy. Poor prep for the Kilcoo game. Would need a tough challenge game before that match I'd say.
I know I said we'd win by a couple but I was trying to base that on they would have had 4 weeks to prepare for this game and put a bit off effort in, that was lacking yesterday, not even any major hits in the game also.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 05, 2012, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 05, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Brilliant that the Dr Maguire is back in Letterkenny today. They stole it at the end and NC were probably the better team, but if you hang around there's always a chance.
I think the Jarlath on TG4 got it right yesterday when he said that the pick of the 2 teams wouldn't trouble Cross.
Cross to win by 7+ points.
Sadly this is accurate. The rushed co championship and the fact that Cross are as good as they are certainly play a part, but it is still a poor reflection on Donegal club football that Eunan's are unlikely to be able to compete. Reading through this thread and seeing most people ignore the fact that Cross have to play Eunan's is hard to take.
You'll see that there is no one from Cross saying that though.
That's my honest assessment of it. BCB, I don't think I have heard you state that you expect Cross to win, I think you have an inferiority complex unlike most Cross people I know!! If you's were playing Phelim Bradys you would probably still rhyme off the same drivel. You know fine rightly that yous will beat St Eunans at a canter and then you will more than likely begin predicting how Eriigal will be hot favourites against yous in the semi final since yous have never beaten them before bla bla bla!!! Honestly just call it as it is, nobody really cares 2 fiddlers about what is posted on a message board. :P
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Read the St. Galls report this morn. 11 different scorers! Some going.
Kevin played really well before going off injured. Tempo were dung, they didn't win one ball that went into their back line in the first half, we also dominated the midfield area far too easy. Poor prep for the Kilcoo game. Would need a tough challenge game before that match I'd say.
I know I said we'd win by a couple but I was trying to base that on they would have had 4 weeks to prepare for this game and put a bit off effort in, that was lacking yesterday, not even any major hits in the game also.
It was never going to be anything else MR2. Firstly you have the poor standard of Fermanagh football going on previous performances in the USFC and then you have to factor in that it's Tempo's first Fermanagh Championship in donkey's and anything other than that was going to be bonus territory.
Oisin was saying all the right things on Radio Ulster yesterday anyway. Gall's are flying this year Cross aren't going well and haven't played to their potential etc etc. In fairness though I think it will be pretty close between them this year.
MR - what about Kelly's tackle on the Tempo guy in 1st half when he was booked- that was a hit
Terry in 1/2 back line is now obviously a fixture. If he can get his diagonals going again, that would be a useful additional weapon from backs to forwards. Concern again that we fell out of it in 2nd half - I know it was wrapped up but same thing happened against L.D., Creggan and Jonnies in county final. We cannot afford to keep happening that if we are to progress. Heard the argument that it is hard to sustain the momentum when a team is well ahead but bad habits can catch on.
Big problem too with kick out strategy, rather absence of one - no variety, kick and hope
How many players are Crossmaglen missing from last years panel?
Quote from: screenexile on November 05, 2012, 01:39:04 PM
Oisin was saying all the right things on Radio Ulster yesterday anyway. Gall's are flying this year Cross aren't going well and haven't played to their potential etc etc. In fairness though I think it will be pretty close between them this year.
Whose turn is it to form the 'guard of honour'??
Quote from: curious on November 05, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
MR - what about Kelly's tackle on the Tempo guy in 1st half when he was booked- that was a hit
Terry in 1/2 back line is now obviously a fixture. If he can get his diagonals going again, that would be a useful additional weapon from backs to forwards. Concern again that we fell out of it in 2nd half - I know it was wrapped up but same thing happened against L.D., Creggan and Jonnies in county final. We cannot afford to keep happening that if we are to progress. Heard the argument that it is hard to sustain the momentum when a team is well ahead but bad habits can catch on.
Big problem too with kick out strategy, rather absence of one - no variety, kick and hope
Tempo didn't have any hard hits was what I meant, Home team and all that, they lacked any fight.
Very difficult to keep a tempo (sorry) going when at halftime you are 10 points or so up, impossible in my view. We created a bit of space and should have scored 5/6 points more in second half but maybe over played it. Kevin will love this, but i thought once he went off we were not as good, Fcuk I said it!!
As for the kick outs, they are what they are, I'd prefer every ball to go to a Galls man but when teams close down in the kick out areas it's harder unless people are showing for the ball. I think we most of the balls in the match from both kick outs, I've no stats on that but generally I thought we dominated it
What price would a 5 point errigal win over St Galls in the final be?
Quote from: rrhf on November 05, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
What price would a 5 point errigal win over St Galls in the final be?
Priceless.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Read the St. Galls report this morn. 11 different scorers! Some going.
Kevin played really well before going off injured. Tempo were dung, they didn't win one ball that went into their back line in the first half, we also dominated the midfield area far too easy. Poor prep for the Kilcoo game. Would need a tough challenge game before that match I'd say.
I know I said we'd win by a couple but I was trying to base that on they would have had 4 weeks to prepare for this game and put a bit off effort in, that was lacking yesterday, not even any major hits in the game also.
Bad injury or taken off as a precaution as they were cruising?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Read the St. Galls report this morn. 11 different scorers! Some going.
Kevin played really well before going off injured. Tempo were dung, they didn't win one ball that went into their back line in the first half, we also dominated the midfield area far too easy. Poor prep for the Kilcoo game. Would need a tough challenge game before that match I'd say.
I know I said we'd win by a couple but I was trying to base that on they would have had 4 weeks to prepare for this game and put a bit off effort in, that was lacking yesterday, not even any major hits in the game also.
Bad injury or taken off as a precaution as they were cruising?
Knee damage, not sure how bad but came off anyways, was surprised he started considering the operation he had at start of year
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
How many players are Crossmaglen missing from last years panel?
Cross will definitely be missing 4 from the team that started the all Ireland final replay. ( Paul Kernan, Danny O'Callaghan, Stephen Finnegan and Franny Hanratty )
What is the story with Kevin McGourty, why the need to wear a full body armour suit is he not getting enough attention lately? Honestly the man is a good footballer but you would swear it was arctic conditions yesterday. Wait until a few of the Cross boys get at him and a body armour suit mightn't be much good to him!
What is your problem with kevin mc gourty?. If he wants to wear a onesie then so what. Why get yourself so annoyed about it?. How long do people need to go on about him. Kevin is kevi and Nothing will change him, fcuk knows he's got enough abuse in his own club to no avail. So live and let live. If we were all the same the world would be a boring oul place. An absolute rocket and his own worst enemy at times but a good footballer and not a bad fella beneath it all. I think he's taken up enough threads on this board so let's leave this one to the footballing side of things as I quite enjoyed this one.
Strange to read all the posts which are almost dismissive of cross. They have been a step above anything else in ulster for a while and unless something drastic has changed I think it is only theirs to lose. That's with or without those players. Errigal may have a chance but to be honest their record could count against them. Hopefully they'll realise where st galls went wrong and go out and play football rather than get involved in the physical stuff. All assuming letterkenny are beat mind you but it would be a big shock. Though watching highlights on tg4 it'll be a dogged affair as they put a lot of me behind the ball.
St Galls need a fit Kevin McGourty to compete at this level I think. They have a lot of good players but they need their best ones to have any chance against Cross assuming they beat Kilcoo. Fermanagh clubs haven't been so good in a while so I would expect they'll get a much bigger challenge against Kilcoo.
How significant will the loss of Mc Dermott be to EC?
Remember him being touted as the next big thing but never seemed to make the senior breakthrough.
Although he didnt score on sunday he played very well and caused a lot of problems for ballinderry. Does mark harte not play anymore??
Mark Harte retired a few years back TTM and was making first tentative steps into management. Was he not with Bellaghy this year alongside Gavin Devlin? Obviously he spent a bit of time in mauritius early summertime & things were disrupted football wise...
I would imagine that losing McDermott will be a big blow for Errigal alright.
Quote from: crossfire on November 05, 2012, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
How many players are Crossmaglen missing from last years panel?
Cross will definitely be missing 4 from the team that started the all Ireland final replay. ( Paul Kernan, Danny O'Callaghan, Stephen Finnegan and Franny Hanratty )
Is Hanratty the only one in Australia? Are the other 3 injured?
Would Daisy still not be seen as Errigals main scoring threat? Huge loss for the next day.
Mark Harte played for Errigal III in junior semi against derrytresk last year. thought he played well too.
Also, from what I recall Daisy played in that game too but he was very poor.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2012, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 05, 2012, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
How many players are Crossmaglen missing from last years panel?
Cross will definitely be missing 4 from the team that started the all Ireland final replay. ( Paul Kernan, Danny O'Callaghan, Stephen Finnegan and Franny Hanratty )
Is Hanratty the only one in Australia? Are the other 3 injured?
Would Daisy still not be seen as Errigals main scoring threat? Huge loss for the next day.
Daisy is a massive loss. He has come back very well this year after so many, including myself, had given up on him. It was a very soft red card on Sunday I thought. The 2 players tangled and the Ballinderry went down like he was shot when in fact Daisy done very little. I think it gave the ref a chance to even up the numbers as they were a man down at that stage. The video would need to be looked at to see if we could appeal.
St. Galls getting a lot of favourite tagging after Sunday. They were good but won't get it so handy from here on. No chance they will be getting carried away
Ffs tempo were shite. Going on second half dislpay they wouldn't be favourites so a lot of mind games going on. Kilcoo will give st galls a hell of a game but all to play for still for all teams invoved
I thought he had too.
Quote from: manballandall on November 05, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
What is your problem with kevin mc gourty?. If he wants to wear a onesie then so what. Why get yourself so annoyed about it?. How long do people need to go on about him. Kevin is kevi and Nothing will change him, fcuk knows he's got enough abuse in his own club to no avail. So live and let live. If we were all the same the world would be a boring oul place. An absolute rocket and his own worst enemy at times but a good footballer and not a bad fella beneath it all. I think he's taken up enough threads on this board so let's leave this one to the footballing side of things as I quite enjoyed this one.
No problem with McGourty, he took Oscar Wildes saying 'there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about' quite literally. He provides plenty of talking points and is a very good player but a onesie on a mild autumn afternoon.......come on.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 06, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: manballandall on November 05, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
What is your problem with kevin mc gourty?. If he wants to wear a onesie then so what. Why get yourself so annoyed about it?. How long do people need to go on about him. Kevin is kevi and Nothing will change him, fcuk knows he's got enough abuse in his own club to no avail. So live and let live. If we were all the same the world would be a boring oul place. An absolute rocket and his own worst enemy at times but a good footballer and not a bad fella beneath it all. I think he's taken up enough threads on this board so let's leave this one to the footballing side of things as I quite enjoyed this one.
No problem with McGourty, he took Oscar Wildes saying 'there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about' quite literally. He provides plenty of talking points and is a very good player but a onesie on a mild autumn afternoon.......come on.
Think he had it on to hold in his belly!! Sure he was in shorts and flip flops while having breakie in club!!
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
reverse psychology if ever i saw it
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
Can't see it myself. They are spooked by the men from Crossmaglen. A bit like Kerry against Tyrone in the noughties they know that Cross have their number and will have again this year should they meet in the final as expected. However I actually think Kilcoo could do them over in the semi-final.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2012, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
Can't see it myself. They are spooked by the men from Crossmaglen. A bit like Kerry against Tyrone in the noughties they know that Cross have their number and will have again this year should they meet in the final as expected. However I actually think Kilcoo could do them over in the semi-final.
Yeah I fully expect Kilcoo to turn us over, we've a few injuries from last week and the Laverty lad will score a hat full
more reverse psychology
Quote from: crossfire on November 05, 2012, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 05, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
How many players are Crossmaglen missing from last years panel?
Cross will definitely be missing 4 from the team that started the all Ireland final replay. ( Paul Kernan, Danny O'Callaghan, Stephen Finnegan and Franny Hanratty )
What happened Finnegan?
Wasnt it himself and macnamee that were put off the panel for carrikcruppen game?
kilcoo will just love sitting lying in wait for st galls. a more dogged determined shower of xxxxx u will ever come across and i say that with the greatest of respect. they seem to be overlooked and underestimated on this thread but the st galls game seems perfectly set up for them to cause a shock.
Quote from: ardtole on November 07, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
kilcoo will just love sitting lying in wait for st galls. a more dogged determined shower of xxxxx u will ever come across and i say that with the greatest of respect. they seem to be overlooked and underestimated on this thread but the st galls game seems perfectly set up for them to cause a shock.
Agree, McCorry is a master tactician and will have a clear plan as to how to beat St Galls. It will likely involve trying to grind St Galls into submission. No doubt St Galls have the better individual players but Kilcoo will make it near impossible to break them down. I would expect a low scoring encounter and I think Kilcoo could edge it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2012, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
Can't see it myself. They are spooked by the men from Crossmaglen. A bit like Kerry against Tyrone in the noughties they know that Cross have their number and will have again this year should they meet in the final as expected. However I actually think Kilcoo could do them over in the semi-final.
Yeah I fully expect Kilcoo to turn us over, we've a few injuries from last week and the Laverty lad will score a hat full
Probably said with tongue firmly in cheek :P. I wouldn't expect Laverty to score much but I think that St Galls will have one eye on Cross (presuming they make the final), but you will underestimate Kilcoo at your peril.
Kil who? Sure st galls players have booked a week off work for after they beat errigal in the final and have jurys croke park block booked for the 17th and 18th of march. Stormount been booked for civic reception on the 1st april alongside the hurlers from lougheil. What a year for antrim clubs ahead. .... St galls are focussed solely on kilcoo whom we know will give us a fierce challenge. They beat mayobridge handy enough and will get the upmost respect from the galls players
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2012, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
Can't see it myself. They are spooked by the men from Crossmaglen. A bit like Kerry against Tyrone in the noughties they know that Cross have their number and will have again this year should they meet in the final as expected. However I actually think Kilcoo could do them over in the semi-final.
Yeah I fully expect Kilcoo to turn us over, we've a few injuries from last week and the Laverty lad will score a hat full
Probably said with tongue firmly in cheek :P. I wouldn't expect Laverty to score much but I think that St Galls will have one eye on Cross (presuming they make the final), but you will underestimate Kilcoo at your peril.
Quote from: manballandall on November 07, 2012, 01:27:58 PM
Kil who? Sure st galls players have booked a week off work for after they beat errigal in the final and have jurys croke park block booked for the 17th and 18th of march. Stormount been booked for civic reception on the 1st april alongside the hurlers from lougheil. What a year for antrim clubs ahead. .... St galls are focussed solely on kilcoo whom we know will give us a fierce challenge. They beat mayobridge handy enough and will get the upmost respect from the galls players
Look we will tank Kilcoo, cause as everyone here knows, this is where all the players read and get their inspiration from and gauge how to beat a team!!!! :P
Some cracking experts on here, Galls underestimating teams in the semi finals of the Ulster Championship!! Do me a favour ffs
Quote from: ardtole on November 07, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
kilcoo will just love sitting lying in wait for st galls. a more dogged determined shower of xxxxx u will ever come across and i say that with the greatest of respect. they seem to be overlooked and underestimated on this thread but the st galls game seems perfectly set up for them to cause a shock.
very cheeky coming from an ardglass man
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 07, 2012, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Galls have the All Ireland in the bag.
Can't see it myself. They are spooked by the men from Crossmaglen. A bit like Kerry against Tyrone in the noughties they know that Cross have their number and will have again this year should they meet in the final as expected. However I actually think Kilcoo could do them over in the semi-final.
Yeah I fully expect Kilcoo to turn us over, we've a few injuries from last week and the Laverty lad will score a hat full
Oh ho ho ho.
These Galls lads are the closest to Kerry 75-86 in terms of knowing each other inside out. A machine of a team. Their only regret will not be winning the All-Ireland Intermediate hurling title a few years ago.
That loss lies with the management not the players
Quote from: manballandall on November 07, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
That loss lies with the management not the players
And the fact that, unfortunately, St. Lachtain's were an infinitely superior team.
Quote from: manballandall on November 07, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
That loss lies with the management not the players
Now now my friend, what was your old saying? "hey boy manage your own team"
Could laugh at boys saying such and such are favourites now, albeit a lot of it tongue in cheek.
There has been the same team favourite, and rightly so, from the beginning.
Crossmaglen 5/6
St Galls 5/2
Errigal Ciaran 6/1
Kilcoo 13/2
St Eunans 18/1
No arguing with that
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Cross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Quote from: Mourne man on November 07, 2012, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 07, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
kilcoo will just love sitting lying in wait for st galls. a more dogged determined shower of xxxxx u will ever come across and i say that with the greatest of respect. they seem to be overlooked and underestimated on this thread but the st galls game seems perfectly set up for them to cause a shock.
very cheeky coming from an ardglass man
i meant that comment as a compliment to kilcoo i have great respect for them and would be very envious and full of admiration for the way they operate. i also have them backed at 18/1 to win ulster i thougjt it was great value
QuoteCross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Donegal footballers are now well acquainted with the idea of packed defences. I'd be surprised if there was a margin like this.
Club football is different though, you need all the players with a bit of skill to be doing that. Fine at intercounty level but I doubt it will happen today? Is Devenney still playing for them?
Quote from: yellowcard on November 09, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Cross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Not bad, you will be cleaning your management out with predictions like that. Any scores for next week?
Quote from: LeoMc on November 11, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 09, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Cross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Not bad, you will be cleaning your management out with predictions like that. Any scores for next week?
Cross will win by 4/5 points against Errigal
Enjoyable enough game, St Eunans looked dangerous early on, but there was an air of inevitability about it even before half time. Big bonus today for Cross in that Jamie Clarke rarely touched leather and they still piled on the scores and saw fit to take off MOTM David McKenna with about 20 to go (and AK shortly after).
N8 for Letterkenny Ross Wherrity looks a good young prospect, I assume he'd be on McGuinness's radar? Has the skills, if he filled out a bit, he'd be hard to talk to. Rory Kavanagh is a classy article too.
I'd say Errigal will be quietly confident after today's display by Cross tbh, but Cross undoubtedly have more in reserve. Looking forward to it, hopefully TG4 will save me a trip?
Easy win as expected for cross. Cobwebs blew out and ready for Errigal. Errigal will be looking forward to getting a go at the double All Ireland champions although we will be missing 2 of our starting forwards. :-\
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 11, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 09, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Cross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Not bad, you will be cleaning your management out with predictions like that. Any scores for next week?
Cross will win by 4/5 points against Errigal
The Cross v Errigal match is really hard to call but I think Cross will shade it. Was talking to a Cross man coming out of the match and he said that Danny O Callaghan was back from Australia but probably wouldn't feature in any of their games before Xmas. Will be a big help if they can get him fit again
Quote from: EC Unique on November 11, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
Easy win as expected for cross. Cobwebs blew out and ready for Errigal. Errigal will be looking forward to getting a go at the double All Ireland champions although we will be missing 2 of our starting forwards. :-\
Yeah but you'll still have 15 on from the start ::)
Cross I'd say will be well up for the match, I expect a lot of early hits and niggly stuff in this game. Teams try and match Cross physically, I always think that its teams (especially ours) downfall in the game. They are a class act in Ulster and All Ireland series
I just seen there on TG4 that they are showing the cross-errigal match live next Sunday.
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 11, 2012, 05:00:36 PM
I just seen there on TG4 that they are showing the cross-errigal match live next Sunday.
Clones or Casement?
Quote from: EC Unique on November 11, 2012, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 11, 2012, 05:00:36 PM
I just seen there on TG4 that they are showing the cross-errigal match live next Sunday.
Clones or Casement?
Never mentioned a venue.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 11, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 11, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
Easy win as expected for cross. Cobwebs blew out and ready for Errigal. Errigal will be looking forward to getting a go at the double All Ireland champions although we will be missing 2 of our starting forwards. :-\
Shakes head and walks away.
daisy is suspended from Ballinderry game and another left on Wednesday for Dubhai.
Dia Domhnaigh 18-11-12
Laragh v Brackaville
12-30pm Clones
Crossmaglen Rangers v Errigal Ciarán
2-15pm Clones
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) 0-09 St Galls(Antrim) 1-15 (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) 0-07 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 0-13 (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-11 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 0-10 (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-11 Naomh Adhamhnáin(Donegal) 1-07 (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) (Athletic Grounds)
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) (Clones)
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Cross are 1/5 for the game on Sunday!! -5 is evens.
Giving Errigal no chance on that price
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 11, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
Cross are 1/5 for the game on Sunday!! -5 is evens.
Giving Errigal no chance on that price
Are these the odds you are offering or did you get them from a bookmaker?
;D ;D
Paddy Power, though you'll get better odds elsewhere can't be assed checking
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 11, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 09, 2012, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
How many will Cross win by this weekend? I'm going for a 6/7 point win
Cross by 9. They will come into their own now.
Not bad, you will be cleaning your management out with predictions like that. Any scores for next week?
Cross will win by 4/5 points against Errigal
What about the other semi?
We could get turned over,, 1/2 with PP but I hope we just win and get to another Ulster final, though Cross have beaten us everytime :-[
Quote from: drici on November 11, 2012, 05:30:40 PM
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) (Athletic Grounds)
Does the bus from Dublin go anywhere near there lads?
If you are on about Dublin bus going to Armagh it stops at other end of town but would only be a 5 or 10 minute walk to Athletic Grounds. At that time on a Sunday it would be best to walk through the town and avoid mall if you are looking to get directions.
Cheers. That sounds grand.
you can't take the train anyway, the Morgan Athletic grounds is built on the Armagh - Blayney railway line!
QuoteIf you are on about Dublin bus going to Armagh it stops at other end of town but would only be a 5 or 10 minute walk to Athletic Grounds
there you go http://tinyurl.com/br5mav3
you can head into the COI Cathedral en route, although it was probably busier last Sunday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 10:41:39 PM
We could get turned over,, 1/2 with PP but I hope we just win and get to another Ulster final, though Cross have beaten us everytime :-[
Falls Rd spake for a comfortable 6 point win.
I was v disappointed with St Eunan's on Sunday TBH, i thought there were far too many players not able for this level who constantly fumbled the ball and passed straight to the opposition. R Cavanagh was their only real danger man and he was well marshalled but to be fair if you've only one man to worry about in a team like Cross then it's a formality.
I hope Cross win on Sunday being from Armagh but i have a sneaking feeling Errigal might just beat Cross, they have 5-6 exceptional players that Cross have to worry about and they can match Cross physically. If I'm not mistaken i believe Errigal have a fine record against Cross too? Maybe someone can clarify this?
Who else are Errigal missing apart from Daisy?
Did St Eunans focus too much on Jamie Clarke, he didn't score anything..
Hard task for them to win their first County title in 6 years, and come back down to earth playing the best Club team in Ireland a week later in the Athletic grounds.
QuoteDid St Eunans focus too much on Jamie Clarke, he didn't score anything..
It certainly indicates the limitations of the theory that if you hold Clarke, you stop Cross. If you could hold Clarke with one man this might be true, but if he draws several defenders then the other forwards will exploit the space. If you put one man on Clarke he'll score some regardless of a good man's efforts, or at least draw frees which is much the same thing with Oisin, TK and AK about.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180793
No prizes for guessing who this was
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 13, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180793
No prizes for guessing who this was
Article in yesterday's Irish News on this also.....not the first time he got involved in this carry on......will hardly be the last.
Come on boys, you forgot that he is from Crossmaglen. Only they are allowed to patrol where they want. They never do anything wrong, they only do what is right.
Who we talking about?
As an Armagh man not from Cross who was at the match I would say that the Hoganstand story is very onesided. The Eunans joint manager spent more time on the pitch than their number 7! I have no doubt at all that the Cross man in question gave him a mouthful ( and not too pleasant at that) but the Eunans man pushed him a good couple of times before he was pushed back. Would have been a bit of an unfair fight I would think! To be honest I never thought there was much in it from either party and the more interesting bit was the young fella (must have been about 10) who got on the sideline and was going to beat all round him. Due to the colour clash I do not know which team he was with but it did look very funny - although probably shouldn't have.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
Come on boys, you forgot that he is from Crossmaglen. Only they are allowed to patrol where they want. They never do anything wrong, they only do what is right.
Most of your posts are anti Cross.
You are obviously a jealous, bitter bast--d.
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
QuoteNot in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
Who did they bully? As Throw Ball pointed out there were 2 sides in this bit of handbags. Cross are much the same as everyone else, they just win more games.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
yeah they bully-ed there way to 6 all irelands and is it 9 ulsters and 40 county titles ::) ::)
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
What club are you from as i would like to check its disciplinary record.
Stop bitting lads ffs, on a serious note, are you lot worried about Sunday?
If the cross assistant manager got into a spat on the sideline then its up to the officials to deal with it. I don't think the present Cross team use bully boy tactics, in fact I would say that they are a brilliant footballing team. They were a lot more physical 6/7 years ago.
What I do notice is how bullish Cross are about their chances in this years campaign and how they are going to only get better. In the past few days I have seen interviews with Tony McEntee, Hanratty, Morgan and Oisin where they have all talked up their chances. Makes a pleasant change from the usual drivel of 'one game at a time' 'won nothing yet' overused cliches that we are used to hearing. I think this team now has the bit between their teeth and can smell history in the making. First football team to win 3 in a row since the great Kerry side?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Stop bitting lads ffs, on a serious note, are you lot worried about Sunday?
Milltown. Read his posts, he is a constant critic of Cross ...Seems to be a bitter little man.
Re your question. Even though Errigal have beaten us twice in the past it will have no relevance on Sunday. They are no better than any of the top teams that we have beaten in the past 2 years so we are not unduly worried but we will treat them with the utmost respect.
Crossfire i meant to add that from the we incident on the sideline involving the management teams seemed to spur Cross on a bit and add a bit more bite to their tackling and hits...and rightly so.
Cross can and do bully teams but i tell you what...Fair play to them, whatever it takes to win you do it ( i would). The more successful they get the more intimidating they become and it's amazing the amount of teams that are beat before they even take the field. Like I've said in the past in Armagh championship football i want them beat but once they go into Ulster and beyond they have my backing...
Errigal Ciaran without a key Forward for Sunday
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180883
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 14, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Errigal Ciaran without a key Forward for Sunday
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180883
Is it the Irish Examiner or Hogan stand we should be blaming for that last sentence
"The dye has been cast" :o
It's farily negative chat the last line. Beaten before the game is played
Mind games ffs...cross are missing a few also, every club has players missing at some stage. Errigal will be confident of beating cross and why not. You have to believe to succeed.
I think Kilcoo will beat us though as we have a few injuries on sunday
Might be mind games, but Tierney was playing very well till then and the other lad who is suspened. Cross are without players since the start of the year, not since their last game in the Ulster Club..
Quote from: manballandall on November 14, 2012, 12:19:30 PM
Mind games ffs...cross are missing a few also, every club has players missing at some stage. Errigal will be confident of beating cross and why not. You have to believe to succeed.
I think Kilcoo will beat us though as we have a few injuries on sunday
;D ;D
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
As an Armagh man not from Cross who was at the match I would say that the Hoganstand story is very onesided. The Eunans joint manager spent more time on the pitch than their number 7! I have no doubt at all that the Cross man in question gave him a mouthful ( and not too pleasant at that) but the Eunans man pushed him a good couple of times before he was pushed back. Would have been a bit of an unfair fight I would think! To be honest I never thought there was much in it from either party and the more interesting bit was the young fella (must have been about 10) who got on the sideline and was going to beat all round him. Due to the colour clash I do not know which team he was with but it did look very funny - although probably shouldn't have.
He was the managers son. He was sitting in front of me and ran onto the pitch to confront the Cross management and started pushing them. He had more balls than the rest of the Eunans management team who were slow to react/support the manager!! Fair play to the wee lad.
Errigal Ciaran v Crossmaglen live on TG4 this weekend, that should lower the attendance.
Quote from: Tommo2 on November 14, 2012, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
As an Armagh man not from Cross who was at the match I would say that the Hoganstand story is very onesided. The Eunans joint manager spent more time on the pitch than their number 7! I have no doubt at all that the Cross man in question gave him a mouthful ( and not too pleasant at that) but the Eunans man pushed him a good couple of times before he was pushed back. Would have been a bit of an unfair fight I would think! To be honest I never thought there was much in it from either party and the more interesting bit was the young fella (must have been about 10) who got on the sideline and was going to beat all round him. Due to the colour clash I do not know which team he was with but it did look very funny - although probably shouldn't have.
He was the managers son. He was sitting in front of me and ran onto the pitch to confront the Cross management and started pushing them. He had more balls than the rest of the Eunans management team who were slow to react/support the manager!! Fair play to the wee lad.
I am sure his father was proud of him, I was watching thinking well done son bet your father gives you extra pocket money this week. ::)
Quote from: crossfire on November 13, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
What club are you from as i would like to check its disciplinary record.
You have to admit that Cross are a very dirty team.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 15, 2012, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 13, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
What club are you from as i would like to check its disciplinary record.
You have to admit that Cross are a very dirty team.
You didn't answer his question, and what do you define as a very dirty team?
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 15, 2012, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 13, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
What club are you from as i would like to check its disciplinary record.
You have to admit that Cross are a very dirty team.
Cross are a 'win at all costs' team.
If more teams in Armagh played with that attitude then maybe Cross would have a bit of competition in the county.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 15, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 15, 2012, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 13, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 13, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
Not in the least jealous, just think that the same laws should apply to Cross as all other clubs and that you shouldnt be alowed to bully your way to success
What club are you from as i would like to check its disciplinary record.
You have to admit that Cross are a very dirty team.
Cross are a 'win at all costs' team.
If more teams in Armagh played with that attitude then maybe Cross would have a bit of competition in the county.
If Errigal had been more of a win at all costs team they would have challenged for the championship over the past 8 years.
Lads don't get involved in this nonsense. Nobody has to justify anything to anyone and cross are a class act, end of. A lot of jealous people out there. .... Predictions for sunday?. Sticking my neck out and going for Cross by 4 and galls by 2.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 14, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Errigal Ciaran without a key Forward for Sunday
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180883
errigal have no key forwards, all average enough. Hard working though but no physical presence apart from there full forward who doesnt really use his size to his advantage. I personally think Errigal won a very poor tyrone championship this year in which my opinion they were possibly 5th best team in tyrone behind coalisland, dromore, carrickmore and clonoe altough they did beat two of those teams on their way to winning the title, but championship football, the best teams dont always win.
Cross by 5 at least and it is not sour grapes, just my analysis.
The current Cross team aren't a dirty team, they play brilliant football and have an adaptability that is virtually unrivaled in club football. If you wanna twist with them they give as good as they get but I wouldn't label them as a team that goes out to try and physically impose themselves on the opposition. I reckon they'll bate Errigal out the gate 7pts +, St Gall's on paper should account for Kilcoo but I'm going to go for a shock win for the magpies.
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 15, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 14, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Errigal Ciaran without a key Forward for Sunday
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180883
errigal have no key forwards, all average enough. Hard working though but no physical presence apart from there full forward who doesnt really use his size to his advantage. I personally think Errigal won a very poor tyrone championship this year in which my opinion they were possibly 5th best team in tyrone behind coalisland, dromore, carrickmore and clonoe altough they did beat two of those teams on their way to winning the title, but championship football, the best teams dont always win.
Cross by 5 at least and it is not sour grapes, just my analysis.
;D
Quote from: The Golden Years on November 15, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 14, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Errigal Ciaran without a key Forward for Sunday
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180883
errigal have no key forwards, all average enough. Hard working though but no physical presence apart from there full forward who doesnt really use his size to his advantage. I personally think Errigal won a very poor tyrone championship this year in which my opinion they were possibly 5th best team in tyrone behind coalisland, dromore, carrickmore and clonoe altough they did beat two of those teams on their way to winning the title, but championship football, the best teams dont always win.
Cross by 5 at least and it is not sour grapes, just my analysis.
Mind games at work ;D Don't care who wins it as I'm not from either County. But I think Cross will be too strong.
Galls and Cross to win by 4 points.
Galls to beat Cross in the final by 2.
Manager really couldn't have stood in his way.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 15, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
The current Cross team aren't a dirty team, they play brilliant football and have an adaptability that is virtually unrivaled in club football. If you wanna twist with them they give as good as they get but I wouldn't label them as a team that goes out to try and physically impose themselves on the opposition. I reckon they'll bate Errigal out the gate 7pts +, St Gall's on paper should account for Kilcoo but I'm going to go for a shock win for the magpies.
I'm think we'll win by 3/4 points (if we start well). We would be as fit as Kilcoo and with 11 different scoring players last time out we have the ability to spread the play and still get the scores. Defence wasn't test too much but when Kilcoo did threaten score a major we managed fine.
I expect Cross to win by 4/5 points, they have the ability to win a match in a great ten minute spell and close out the game by matching score for score. Hopefully a Galls V Cross Final.
AK & McKenna on the doubtful list could swing it to Errigal. Should be good, if those pair are available i'd take Cross by 3 or 4, more if Jamie gets a look in.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 16, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
AK & McKenna on the doubtful list could swing it to Errigal. Should be good, if those pair are available i'd take Cross by 3 or 4, more if Jamie gets a look in.
Those lads will be playing. I'd say they can't afford not to. Very important players for Cross
Will EC subject Aidan McRory to JC for a full day of torture like Tyrone did this year?
As the game gets closer I really can't see Cross being beat, Errigal without 2 of their best players this could be the game where Cross put on another show and prove their status as the best club team ever. I'm taking Cross minus 4 on the handicap.
Theres an 11/10 accum at Paddy Power of
Cross
Crokes
Galls
Castlehaven
Galls v Kilcoo is the only one I would be wary of.
Quote from: catchandkick on November 17, 2012, 11:12:13 AM
Theres an 11/10 accum at Paddy Power of
Cross
Crokes
Galls
Castlehaven
Galls v Kilcoo is the only one I would be wary of.
Agree with this, think Kilcoo might turn over St Galls.
Crokes -6 and Cross -4 might be a better bet. Nearly 3/1 for the double.
Take kilcoo handicap then and its a bigger accumm. Easy maths
Dunno. Kilcoo in the handicap is +2 at 11/10. +2 is dodgy terrain betting wise no?
Quote from: catchandkick on November 17, 2012, 12:03:16 PM
Dunno. Kilcoo in the handicap is +2 at 11/10. +2 is dodgy terrain betting wise no?
It's a free one ffs, sure Yellowcard is all over it
Not dodgey if you fancy kilcoo. Take them plus 4 would be tip
Going to stick with the Cross -4 Crokes -6 double at 2.82/1 . Haven't seen Kilcoo in a full game, so going to leave out. I've only seen them in highlights, Jerome Johnson looks tasty (as he did with St. Colman's, Newry) and their manager sounded like he knew his stuff.
Ye may well be proved right on the Kilcoo + 4
We will reconvene on Monday for a full Betting Analysis Committee meeting!
D day has arrived and good weather for good games of football. Days like this you wish you were involved. After considerable consideration st gall and cross to meet in the final. You heard it here first:). No mind games
Mon Errigal... We CAN do this.
Come on the magpies.
I think Kilcoo will take St Galls; these boys know they won't get a chance like this and the hunger in Kilcoo will make the difference. The Point should also win so hope Down will have two representatives in Ulster club finals.
Big game in Clones today.
Two towns steeped in GAA history. One gave us Cardinal McRory and is famous for being the first village in Ireland with electric lighting, the other gave us Cardinal O'Fiaich and is famous for being the first town in Ireland not to sell a litre of legitimate diesel for a decade!
Who will win the day? Will Cross squander another 10 point lead? Will Errigal finally lift an Andy Merrigan? Who knows!!??
Cross game streamed anywhere??
Quote from: ApresMatch on November 18, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
Cross game streamed anywhere??
Is anyone elses TG4 stream blocked? (Im in England)
Benny whats the link?
Quote from: ApresMatch on November 18, 2012, 02:33:00 PM
Benny whats the link?
This is my link but its blocked - http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html
Missing a good game lads it 8-7 to Errigal @ht
Who had the breeze if there is one? I'd liked to have seen this game but "she who cooks the vittles" (Errigal born & bred) has just served up the dinner and wont let me out 'til it's eaten.
Any word from Galls Kilcoo
Never seen Cross as error strewn, look nervous.
4-3 to st galls at ht
HT Ulster Senior Semi-final St.Galls 0-04 Kilcoo 0-03 3pts from Stewart for St Galls Kilcoo scores Laverty, O'Hanlon and Devlin
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 18, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on November 18, 2012, 02:33:00 PM
Benny whats the link?
This is my link but its blocked - http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html
Working now!
Jeez, Davy Harte has gone backwards at some rate. Not even a decent club player now
Oh that goal should not have been allowed.
Is that not Oisin's second yellow?
Was all Crossmaglen in that 2nd half. 10th Ulster title looking likely.
Quote from: Mourne man on November 18, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
HT Ulster Senior Semi-final St.Galls 0-04 Kilcoo 0-03 3pts from Stewart for St Galls Kilcoo scores Laverty, O'Hanlon and Devlin
Any more updates?
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 18, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 18, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
HT Ulster Senior Semi-final St.Galls 0-04 Kilcoo 0-03 3pts from Stewart for St Galls Kilcoo scores Laverty, O'Hanlon and Devlin
Any more updates?
8 to 1-5. Kilcoo down to 14 men.
Quote from: Link on November 18, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on November 18, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 18, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
HT Ulster Senior Semi-final St.Galls 0-04 Kilcoo 0-03 3pts from Stewart for St Galls Kilcoo scores Laverty, O'Hanlon and Devlin
Any more updates?
8 to 1-5 for st galls. Kilcoo down to 14 men.
Long left?
8 to 1-6. 54 mins gone. check https://twitter.com/UlsterGAA
Kilcoo 1-7
St Galls 0-8
just noticed my mistake.
10 to 1-7 now
Cross vs Kilcoo
Penalty for Kilcoo.
Edit: Would appear it was a close in free - commentator got over excited - Kilcoo might have taken the point from it anyway. Kevin McCabe says it's the safest option.
Sin é
Kilcoo win by 2 niall mcevoy sent off well done kilcoo
Delighted for Kilcoo
Great game the Cross v Errigal Ciaran game. What Crossmaglen have, I think, is to play at a fairly even level all through whereas the opposition, like EC today, will raise their game in the first half but be unable to sustain that for the sixty minutes. The typical pattern will be opposition winning first half by 1-3 points maybe, but Cross winning second half by 6-8 something like that.
Don't know how Mark Harte gave McConville MOTM . For me it was between Stephen Kernan, Aaron Kernan or Peter Harte. Marginally, I would go for Stephen Kernan.
Won €60 on a €20 3/1 double of Crokes-7 and Cross -4 (both evens individually)
All Ireland shaping up to be Crokes ( they will murder Castlehaven, who are terrible) v Ballymun/Portlaoise and Cross v Brigids.
Good stuff Kilcoo!! McEvoy straight red??
When and where is the final likely to be?
Sensible option would be for the clubs to toss for newry or armagh surely?
Final in 2 weeks time according to what was said on TG4.
Clones ?
dunno how mcconville got motm either. i think he may have scored one from play. i thought either s.kernan or jamie clarke deserved it. mcconville i think looked bemused also!!
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 18, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
Sensible option would be for the clubs to toss for newry or armagh surely?
agree with that. would surely get a bigger crowd in newry or armagh than taking it to clones.
Game will be either in Casment Park or Breffini
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 18, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
Game will be either in Casment Park or Breffini
You're probably right but that wouldn't make it any more ridiculous
If it's in Newry I will go.
If it's in Armagh I might go.
If it's anywhere else i will do my Xmas shopping instead.
I know I'm only one man but there's got to be an awful lot of folk in the South Down/South Armagh area that feel the same.
Jesus thon McGourty fellas really are the scurge of the GAA world. With kevin yapping at the referee when O'Hanlon was bating him, to Kieran lying on the ground looking around when his team-mates were in a scuffle, to the worst, CJ, constantly mouthing and slabbering.. Must say i giggled a little when he fired his boots of the walls in the tunnel after the match.. Wee gypo!
on that showing today, just in the door galls as well out of it. CROSS simply too strong
Some result for Kilcoo. For non-Down people, Kilcoo isn't even a cross-roads; it is a church, shop, 2 pubs at either end and a football club. What a club. No hurling, no rugby and definitely no soccer. To get to an Ulster final is some achievement; I suppose the Loup would be a fair comparison- Kilcoo do field 3 senior teams and I reckon there would be very few men between 18 and 40 who haven't played for the club at some stage. Their underage commitment in Down has been the stuff of legend for the last 10 years. Cross are likely to be too strong but the Magpies don't do fear. Fair play to Mc Corry - no time for him but would love to see them do it.
Casement's bound to be a cert?
If things had've clicked for Cross today they would have won that by 10 or more, I thought they were a bit disjointed and made alot of basic errors early on, totally dominated the 2nd half, but never really looked home and hosed until very late on. A good way to be moving on I suppose, plenty to work on and surely a big ask of Kilcoo in the final.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 18, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Their underage commitment in Down has been the stuff of legend for the last 10 years.
Its going back much longer than that... yer looking at 20 years! :)
Great result the day - thats all built on the foundations laid by Gerry Laverty, Gerry Kane, Jerome, Sean-Mick, Marty, big Barney, Sharky, Seamus McClean and many others.
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 18, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
Sensible option would be for the clubs to toss for newry or armagh surely?
Surprisingly I'd probably prefer Armagh - despite it being 'away' for us. Ye have covered stands on both sides of the pitch.
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 18, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
Sensible option would be for the clubs to toss for newry or armagh surely?
Was this not the case last year-where Cross won the toss thus they played Burren in Armagh.
Therefore,surely home advantage should be returned?
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
That's a very bad result for St. Galls and a big step backwards.
Really hard to see them cutting the mustard outside of Antrim in the near future.
Cross are always improving and I think Kilcoo will only improve. I'm not sure there is much more in St. Galls.
That loss will be a real kick in the stones for them.
Arriving 25mins before throw in was hardly ideal preparation-one wag commented that Galls were sufferin from jet-lag in the 1st half!
Quote from: MK on November 18, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 18, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
Sensible option would be for the clubs to toss for newry or armagh surely?
Was this not the case last year-where Cross won the toss thus they played Burren in Armagh.
Therefore,surely home advantage should be returned?
Thats the way it works too, Gents in Cross.
Another clinical display from Cross, never felt as though they were ever gonna lose the match. Errigal have some good players and played reasonably well but Cross are a team on a mission and that's to be definitively recognised as the best club team ever. Though how McConville got MOTM was most peculiar, a large degree of sentimentalism I'd imagine.
Never seen the other semi-final but I wasn't surprised to see Kilcoo coming out on top. Jim McCorry has done some job with that side and they are notoriously hard to penetrate defensively. It will be a contrast of styles in the final. Cross with their long kicking attacking game against Kilcoo with their defensive risk free football. Football v Anti Football and I think the football will win out.
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: MK on November 18, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
That's a very bad result for St. Galls and a big step backwards.
Really hard to see them cutting the mustard outside of Antrim in the near future.
Cross are always improving and I think Kilcoo will only improve. I'm not sure there is much more in St. Galls.
That loss will be a real kick in the stones for them.
Arriving 25Min's before throw in was hardly ideal preparation-one wag commented that Galls were sufferin from jet-lag in the 1st half!
That is strange alright but they were winning at HT!!
Lads when our club played at Athletics ground couple of weeks ago unbeknown to us we weren't allowed to warm up on field and had to warm up on gravel car park. Perhaps St Galls warmed up else where and arrived at the ground after. I find it hard to believe that it's a case of rocking up, changed and play.
Quote from: dundrumite on November 18, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: MK on November 18, 2012, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
That's a very bad result for St. Galls and a big step backwards.
Really hard to see them cutting the mustard outside of Antrim in the near future.
Cross are always improving and I think Kilcoo will only improve. I'm not sure there is much more in St. Galls.
That loss will be a real kick in the stones for them.
Arriving 25Min's before throw in was hardly ideal preparation-one wag commented that Galls were sufferin from jet-lag in the 1st half!
That is strange alright but they were winning at HT!!
Lads when our club played at Athletics ground couple of weeks ago unbeknown to us we weren't allowed to warm up on field and had to warm up on gravel car park. Perhaps St Galls warmed up else where and arrived at the ground after. I find it hard to believe that it's a case of rocking up, changed and play.
Yeah I'd say thats what happened. Sure wasn't there an Ulster IFC semi-final between Warrenpoint and Aghagallon played before the senior semi-final. They probably warmed up on Harps or Ogs pitch.
I wonder will ONeill still try and convince us that Galls would beat Cross if both teams had all their players fit.
St Galls somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!? I am dumbfounded!
Those Cross boyos never nothing to learn. Peter Harte, the player of the game in the first have clinically taken out of it by 3 heavy, cardable challenges. Cross really did a job on him and by the end he could barely walk, never mind play Not nice to see.
Wind your neck in galls. Didn't see anything wrong with the game at all. Great first half by both teams but cross showed their class and experience in the second half and could have won by more. Errigal are a class act but ran out of steam.
Galls
It's not ladies football. ???
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 18, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
Oisin wasn't MoTM, I think was chosen by the commentary team and whoever was with the commentator was hugely annoying even in Irish and I couldn't understand a word.
Mark Harte? I could understand every word.
Cross 1/4 Kilcoo 7/2 (William Hill) 17/2 draw.
6/5 for the All Ireland with PP (Crokes 3/1)
Peter Harte was not played out positin. Apparently he was outstanding in the first game in ulster championship, when played at 6 and then I seen him play there against ballinderry and he ran the show. The problem was as someone said there he picked up a hand injury and it limited his performance. Each tackle on harte was not bad, he picked up those injuries by accident.
Usually I go for the underdog in all sports, but I love to see cross win all the time. They are a credit to our sport, armagh, the town and most importantly, to themselves.
To be fair, Peter Harte has a lovely head of hair.
Apparently it is confirmed, toss up for venue so Newry or Armagh it is.
Win win for Cross, Kilcoo should look Casement if they'd any sense.
Won't matter a fcuk. Get your house on cross.
Is casement open for matches?? Obviously kilcoo would luv to get into Newry
Quote from: bennydorano on November 18, 2012, 08:52:53 PM
Win win for Cross, Kilcoo should look Casement if they'd any sense.
Wouldn't think that way Benny.
Everything is stacked against Kilcoo as they've got next to no experience at this level. Very few of them will be familiar with either Casement or Athletic Grounds. Both those venues tilt even more things in Crossmaglen's favour.
If they win the toss, they'll be playing on the ground where they've played nearly all their club championship matches in recent seasons. They'll know the lay of the land, know the ritual, know the travel arrangements.
It won't be enough to beat Cross, but it will make a difference.
Tough ask for kilcoo no matter where match is but would b a big benefit for cause if in Newry
Twitter currently favouring Cross.
http://www.sentiment140.com/search?hl=en&query=crossmaglen (http://www.sentiment140.com/search?hl=en&query=crossmaglen)
http://www.sentiment140.com/search?hl=en&query=kilcoo (http://www.sentiment140.com/search?hl=en&query=kilcoo)
THEY COULD PLAY THIS GAME AT KILCOO, IT WON MATTER ONE FCUK ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
No sour grapes at all. Just the way I see it. Fair play to kilcoo today, wanted it more which means so much at this level. I watched cross game and I just believe they will win handy as they are some outfit and I believe will just get better as the comp goes on.
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on November 18, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
Apparently it is confirmed, toss up for venue so Newry or Armagh it is.
Who's the tosser? Any of the Mc Gourtys would appear to be sufficiently qualified on todays evidence!!
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THEY COULD PLAY THIS GAME AT KILCOO, IT WON MATTER ONE FCUK ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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And cross know the way, played a challenge match in sept there ;D
Quote from: MK on November 18, 2012, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on November 18, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
Apparently it is confirmed, toss up for venue so Newry or Armagh it is.
Who's the t**ser? Any of the Mc Gourtys would appear to be sufficiently qualified on todays evidence!!
What were they up to now? I dare say Kevin started it.
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on November 18, 2012, 09:16:20 PM
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THEY COULD PLAY THIS GAME AT KILCOO, IT WON MATTER ONE FCUK ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
And cross know the way, played a challenge match in sept there ;D
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Aye all the boys from Crossmaglen know the lay of the land down around them south armagh and down areas so says the British soldiers................... their da's and uncle's taught them well ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
I'd be a bit wary of Kilcoo's discipline against Cross. Kilcoo play a little on the edge and Cross are the wrong opposition for those tactics; they'll take you out off the ball and wind you up back until you lash out. It's just about possible to play Cross with 15 men - with 14 you've no chance.
If the Magpies can hold their discipline, I expect this to the way of most of Cross's games. Nip and tuck for a while, then Cross get a stride and bury the opposition in a 10 minute spell, before picking them off with infuriating ease as they charge forward and get tired. They truly are some team.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 18, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
I'd be a bit wary of Kilcoo's discipline against Cross. Kilcoo play a little on the edge and Cross are the wrong opposition for those tactics; they'll take you out off the ball and wind you up back until you lash out. It's just about possible to play Cross with 15 men - with 14 you've no chance.
If the Magpies can hold their discipline, I expect this to the way of most of Cross's games. Nip and tuck for a while, then Cross get a stride and bury the opposition in a 10 minute spell, before picking them off with infuriating ease as they charge forward and get tired. They truly are some team.
On the ball wobbler - look at how Cross wound up St Galls who tried to mix it and were walloped. Kilcoo would need a whole new mindset to change that but I hope McCorry can get some way to deal with that.
I was in Armagh today for a thriller that didn't look like it was going to be one. Here's my tactical take on Kilcoo's win over St Gall's http://action81.com/blog/?p=6455
Fair play to Cross they are some outfit. We were good value for our half time lead but they raised the bar in the second half and blew us away. A couple of their players that got yellows were lucky they were not reds as they should have been but thems the breaks. Good luck to them in the final. Will take a serious team to trouble them over 60 minutes..
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on November 18, 2012, 09:16:20 PM
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THEY COULD PLAY THIS GAME AT KILCOO, IT WON MATTER ONE FCUK ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
And cross know the way,
played a challenge match in sept there ;D
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If you are referring to Kilcoo beating Cross in that challenge match, then I think the reason why lies in those 3 words. Prepare for the onslaught.
Very disappointing performance today and dreadful to throw it away having been three points and a man up with 10 mins to go. Kilcoo fully deserved their win as any team that foregoes the number of opportunities we did today can't expect to win. Should have bee out of sight bu half time.
CJ and Pollock got no change out of the full-back line with Karl the only one of the three to really hit form. Pollock's decision making was very poor at times. Kilcoo's pace up front hurt us a lot and at times we were very slow to close people down.
Disappointing not to get another crack at Cross, but no complaints whatsoever.
Seems like Kilcoo adopted the Donegal defensive system and Galls couldn't break them down, shooting from distance.
Disappointing for Galls as I think they could've taken Cross this year.
Have to say i'm not as convinced as most seem to be of a cross canter. Any time i've seen Kilcoo they've been very difficult to break down. Massive work rate, good markers at the back, numbers behind the ball and in serious shape for counter attacking. Think they'll be able to hold the cross attack reasonably but not sure they've enough quality up front to win an ulster club
Ability wise there are probably at least 2 clubs in Down with better players than Kilcoo, but McCorry has developed a clearly defined game plan that works for them and you can't blame him for that.
I can't see Kilcoo scoring more than 8 or 9 points against Cross and there is no way that they will hold Cross to that tally. Kilcoo have done remarkably well getting this far but Cross always find a way and will win this by 5+
Johnny hanratty is a modern day dara o se. Loves the physical stuff more than any player I've seen in ages. Cute too, pulling down players when he beat. Laughed when he finally got a yellow in last few minutes. Would love to have him on my team
Jamie Clarke is pure class
A couple of things - watching Cross today, I think they're slightly weaker than before. Errigal scored 0-8 in the first half. I know Cross turned the screw in the second half and kept EC scoreless for the majority of it but an awful amount of that had to do with ridiculous decision making by some of the more prominent EC players. Many of Cross's scores came from such errors.
Secondly, despite what happened in Cross and Casement in the last two years I think man-for-man there's not much between them. Gall's will never admit it but I think everything was geared towards nailing them this year - keeping their heads for once. Maybe I'm overestimating Gall's.
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
A couple of things - watching Cross today, I think they're slightly weaker than before. Errigal scored 0-8 in the first half. I know Cross turned the screw in the second half and kept EC scoreless for the majority of it but an awful amount of that had to do with ridiculous decision making by some of the more prominent EC players. Many of Cross's scores came from such errors.
Secondly, despite what happened in Cross and Casement in the last two years I think man-for-man there's not much between them. Gall's will never admit it but I think everything was geared towards nailing them this year - keeping their heads for once. Maybe I'm overestimating Gall's.
I always thought St Galls would struggle against a defensive team and Kilcoo are very frustrating to play against. Individually St Galls would have much better players than Kilcoo and arguably even Cross but if they don't get to play the football they want they tend to lose their discipline. Would St Galls have beaten Cross? I highly doubt it but I'd say they will be sick tonight that they didn't at least get the chance. Themselves and Ballinderry have been great club teams but they are probably past their peak now and unfortunately for both of them they could never quite get the measure of Cross. No shame in that though, many have tried before and since and failed.
Quote from: hardstation on November 18, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Seems like Kilcoo adopted the Donegal defensive system and Galls couldn't break them down, shooting from distance.
Disappointing for Galls as I think they could've taken Cross this year.
What's your reasoning behind that? Cross have battered them the last two times.
He should have played safe like the rest of us and tipped Cross for another Ulster title.
Agree that last year was set up for an ambush but their luck was shite in terms of injuries - before the game but more importantly in the warm up.
I don't think the team are that old, are they? Kieran McGourty seems be be balding badly but beyond that? What age is Sean Kelly?
If so, they should be in their prime-ish years now.
Kieran must be well into his 30s.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 18, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Some result for Kilcoo. For non-Down people, Kilcoo isn't even a cross-roads; it is a church, shop, 2 pubs at either end and a football club. What a club. No hurling, no rugby and definitely no soccer. To get to an Ulster final is some achievement; I suppose the Loup would be a fair comparison- Kilcoo do field 3 senior teams and I reckon there would be very few men between 18 and 40 who haven't played for the club at some stage. Their underage commitment in Down has been the stuff of legend for the last 10 years. Cross are likely to be too strong but the Magpies don't do fear. Fair play to Mc Corry - no time for him but would love to see them do it.
Good result for Kilcoo
I played my first ever adult hurling game in Kilcoo as a 15 year old, changing in the back of a container which doubled up as their changing rooms, must have been mid 80's, they haven't hurled in years, but I think they do field in the camogie now.
Is Big Eoiney McEvoy still about the place? He'd have followed the hurling a good bit.
I have never walked away from a game more disappointed than that, the amount of possession we had in that game up till they had a man sent off was unreal. They played like we did a few years ago, when not in possession work like fook to get it back. We overplayed and instead of shooting from distance we took the ball into their defence!!
We had many chances to stretch our 3 point advantage, but the goal came at the right time and we couldn't, despite leveling before the end, of getting back in front. On that showing I am glad we aren't playing Cross. I'm sure the lads are really disappointed with themselves. The 15 lads that started the game should have been good enough to win by 7 points or more.
I was surprised at how much bigger we were to Kilcoo, they are a small outfit, certainly very fit but I still feel we lost this match rather than them winning it, no sour grapes by the way and good luck to them.
There are quite a few eagerly presumptuous claims on this thread that Cross will have an easy stroll against Kilcoo. I wouldn't be so sure about that. BUT lets be honest - Cross are and deserve to be favourites. There is no doubt that they are a class act and full of quality coupled with valuable experience. But to write off Kilcoo is just plain disrespectful.
Kilcoo have a tenacious physical defence. Cross have a real asset in their full forward line but Kilcoo have their best defence when in their own 20m line. Also remember both Brannigan's are county players, it's not as if Kilcoo have defenders who have never played at a high level. Cross are indeed an attacking force but Kilcoo are more than capable of putting up a difficult task to any attacking unit. Any individual isolated in attack will struggle to score against Kilcoo.
Secondly Kilcoo bring Connor Laverty (All-Ireland finalist and current All-Star nominee) along with a lightening fast half forward line of O'Hanlon, Devlin, Johnston. All these half forwards are good enough to be in the county squad. So again while Cross have excellent defenders it is not as if Kilcoo will be turning up with a bunch of plodders.
Finally Kilcoo will bring a desire and determination that took them past the All-Ireland champions of two years ago, even after they were reduced to 14 men. If you are willing to work hard enough you will always be in with a chance of gaining possession, and if you gain possession then you will always be in with a chance.
Cross certainly have better forwards in attack, certainly have defenders who are more experienced and stronger, certainly have real quality in midfield. And definitely deserve to be favourites. Yes they are better than Kilcoo, but Kilcoo are still good, and in some areas very good. I think some people are being a bit effusive in claiming it will be easy, I think it will be far from easy. Kilcoo are a lot more capable than some people are giving them credit for.
An aspect to the build up of this game is that Kilcoo in no way, shape or form will fear Crossmaglen in the slightest. Now this may or may not have any bearing on the outcome of the game but any psychological barrier in relation to fearing the Cross machine will be non existent. The Magpies simply don't do fear. Never have, never will. So essentially that is one obstacle that already has been overcome.
However, looking at the rest of the factors everything is pointing to a Cross win. Kilcoo's gamemanship which obviously unsettled St Galls to an extent won't bother Cross in the slightest and McCorry may have to change his team's approach to this. However, it will be interesting to see how Cross respond to Kilcoo's insatiable workrate. The Down side don't stop. They just keep going and going and going.
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 19, 2012, 11:59:07 AM
An aspect to the build up of this game is that Kilcoo in no way, shape or form will fear Crossmaglen in the slightest. Now this may or may not have any bearing on the outcome of the game but any psychological barrier in relation to fearing the Cross machine will be non existent. The Magpies simply don't do fear. Never have, never will. So essentially that is one obstacle that already has been overcome.
However, looking at the rest of the factors everything is pointing to a Cross win. Kilcoo's gamemanship which obviously unsettled St Galls to an extent won't bother Cross in the slightest and McCorry may have to change his team's approach to this. However, it will be interesting to see how Cross respond to Kilcoo's insatiable workrate. The Down side don't stop. They just keep going and going and going.
Based on yesterdays match Kilcoo will be struggling to get a score. We were shite for long periods and took the wrong options a lot of the time, Kilcoo in the first half rushed their clearances which fell into our midfielders hands but we kept making the wrong choices (14 wides). I don't think it will take Cross too long to work out what to do with all the possession. I'm still shaking my head on this one.
Kilcoo didn't unsettle us with the pulling we could have won it regardless, we were just not able to push on and win. Fair play Kilcoo
On a different note, Sludden is some size of referee!! Some belly on him!!
First post on here, very dissapointing result from a St Galls point of view.
Thought Sludden had an awful game, completly favoured Kilcoo in the first half and then did an about turn in the second.
But in fairness the players only have themselves to blame, two very good goal chances squandered in the first half, either one of which I think would have killed the game. Is it fair to say that maybe St Galls fitness levels not what they have been in previous years?
Quote from: johnneycool on November 19, 2012, 09:08:13 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 18, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Some result for Kilcoo. For non-Down people, Kilcoo isn't even a cross-roads; it is a church, shop, 2 pubs at either end and a football club. What a club. No hurling, no rugby and definitely no soccer. To get to an Ulster final is some achievement; I suppose the Loup would be a fair comparison- Kilcoo do field 3 senior teams and I reckon there would be very few men between 18 and 40 who haven't played for the club at some stage. Their underage commitment in Down has been the stuff of legend for the last 10 years. Cross are likely to be too strong but the Magpies don't do fear. Fair play to Mc Corry - no time for him but would love to see them do it.
Good result for Kilcoo
I played my first ever adult hurling game in Kilcoo as a 15 year old, changing in the back of a container which doubled up as their changing rooms, must have been mid 80's, they haven't hurled in years, but I think they do field in the camogie now.
Is Big Eoiney McEvoy still about the place? He'd have followed the hurling a good bit.
Johnnycool regarding your last question about big Eoiney, he was at the game yesterday and all! An avid Magpies supporter and yes he still follows the hurling with a great interest
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 19, 2012, 11:59:07 AM
An aspect to the build up of this game is that Kilcoo in no way, shape or form will fear Crossmaglen in the slightest. Now this may or may not have any bearing on the outcome of the game but any psychological barrier in relation to fearing the Cross machine will be non existent. The Magpies simply don't do fear. Never have, never will. So essentially that is one obstacle that already has been overcome.
However, looking at the rest of the factors everything is pointing to a Cross win. Kilcoo's gamemanship which obviously unsettled St Galls to an extent won't bother Cross in the slightest and McCorry may have to change his team's approach to this. However, it will be interesting to see how Cross respond to Kilcoo's insatiable workrate. The Down side don't stop. They just keep going and going and going.
There are plenty of teams with a lack of fear but it doesn't mean they are good enough to beat Cross. Personally don't see it with Kilcoo, can't see them troubling Cross at all. McCorry has done a great job to get them to where they are, hard to understand why Mayobridge ever got rid of him?
I hear the game is in the Athletic Grounds as well, don't think it will have any significance to the result.
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) 0-09 St Galls(Antrim) 1-15 (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) 0-07 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 0-13 (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-11 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 0-10 (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-11 Naomh Adhamhnáin(Donegal) 1-07 (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) 0-10 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 1-09 (Athletic Grounds)
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 2-10 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-10 (Clones)
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) (Athletic Grounds)
Is the game been confirmed for the Athletic Grounds ??
In said in Today's Irish News that is was be a Coin toss to decide on the venue to host the final.And is Martin Sludden definitely the ref for the game ???
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on November 19, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
Is the game been confirmed for the Athletic Grounds ??
In said in Today's Irish News that is was be a Coin toss to decide on the venue to host the final.And is Martin Sludden definitely the ref for the game ???
Yes confirmed for 3pm Sun 2nd Dec in Athletic Grounds
Intermediate and Senior games are both being held in Athletic Grounds on December 2nd
UTM
My tactical take on Crossmaglen and Errigal is now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=6461
Apologies for the delay, my flatmate has been particularly kind with the TV of late so figured I'd wait until after he'd finished watching West Ham and Stoke.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on November 18, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
St Galls somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!? I am dumbfounded!
Those Cross boyos never nothing to learn. Peter Harte, the player of the game in the first have clinically taken out of it by 3 heavy, cardable challenges. Cross really did a job on him and by the end he could barely walk, never mind play Not nice to see.
A hint of sour grapes I fear. Joe McQuillan gave Errigal a few softish frees, some after Cross had been fouled first. Particularly in the second half when Cross were dominating Errigal got a away with a lot in around the square which would have ben given further out, or at the other end.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 18, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
Petey wasn't a major player at any stage. He took some knocks which were not cynical and one staved finger when he tackled a man running at him. The hand injury was his major problem as he couldn't handle the ball even if he managed to get to it. Once again he was played out of position and wasted the opportunity to play him at 11.
Oisin wasn't MoTM, I think was chosen by the commentary team and whoever was with the commentator was hugely annoying even in Irish and I couldn't understand a word. The 'pundit' is supposed to add to the commentary not dominate it. Felt that Stephen Kernan was MoTM because he played in the most decisive balls to the forward line in particular the ball to J Clarke on two occasions leading to goals or near goal chances were brilliant.
Two many main men for Errigal went awol and man for man Errigal was greatly inferior to Cross particularly on the bench where they had no one to make an impact.
errigal also made the mistake of doubling up on Clarke. He'll be some miss for Armagh.
Same story with cross, when they've something to motivate themselves on they make no mistake, the errigal monkey finally off their back.
I predicted Kilcoo as the team capable of knocking Cross off their perch though I wouldn't be as sure now they're meeting in the final. Still think it will make for a good game though with two brilliant management teams on either side. Kilcoo have nothing to lose whereas Cross may have one eye on their 3 in a row. Hard to look past them and their experience, will take a titanic effort from Kilcoo but stranger things have happened.
Kilcoo beating Cross in a challenge earlier wasn't a good plan for them, as it gives Tony Mc an antidote to complacency.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 20, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
Kilcoo beating Cross in a challenge earlier wasn't a good plan for them, as it gives Tony Mc an antidote to complacency.
As far as I know it was a draw!
Cross also had a second team out that day so the challenge game will have no effect on eiter team come sun week.
cross had 2 players playing that played in the all ireland final. best of luck to kilcoo in the final UTM .
Apparently mayobridge got rid of jim as he asked for a large sum of money before ulster final a few years back. Bridge man in work told me
Have been offside for a few weeks and will only be in on flying visits for a while. Enough has been said about the game on Sunday.Personally speaking I never felt that there was any real doubt in the result, I just had one of those feelings. I always felt we could open up EC for goal chances and I didn't really see that threat from them.
Have watched Kilcoo once this year against Mayobridge and I have to say their work rate is phenomenal. If we can match that I our experience will take us over the line in a very turgid low scoring event.
Crossmaglen Rangers 2-10 Errigal Ciarán 0-10
Just over 24 hours earlier Crossmaglen Rangers bade a fond farewell to their loyal and faithful former assistant manager and staunch Ranger Ollie McEntee and honoured his memory by laying to rest their Errigal Ciarán bogey with a powerful dominant Second Half performance at a very chilly Clones venue.
The enforced change on Cross from the previous week as Kevin McKeown replaced flu victim Paul Hearty between the sticks meant that Oisín McConville was the only survivor from the matches in 1997 and 2002 against the Tyrone Champions who boasted an unbeaten record in 4 outings (2 wins, 2 draws) against the current dual Ulster and All Ireland Champions. To this current Cross team this was just a mere statistic that needed righting.
Johnny Hanratty combined with the three Kernan brothers Aaron, Stephen then Tony to set Jamie Clarke for a goal chance inside 20 seconds but the mercurial forward saw his goal attempt hit the underside of the crossbar and cleared to safety. Straight down at the other end Kevin McKeown whose last Ulster Championship outing was in 2006 in a 2-13 to 1-07 win over Mullahoran (Cavan) did extremely well under a high ball and handled it before being fouled. The understudy with 12 Armagh Championships, 6 Ulster and 3 All Ireland medals under his belt was not found wanting on the big occasion varying his kicks out when needed with excellent distribution of the ball - a reward for his patience and dedication given that his opportunities have been few and far between.
Cross swept upfield from the free out for the foul on their goalkeeper with corner back Paul McKeown getting on the end of a sublime pass from Stephen Kernan only to be fouled before he could shoot enabling Oisín McConville to open the scoring from the resulting free. A converted free from Darren Canavan following a foul on Ronan McRory brought the equaliser on 4 minutes before another foul on McRory following a terrific 5 man move allowed Thomas Canavan gave Errigal the lead. A second from Canavan, from play, stretched the lead to 3-1 on 11 minutes as the Tyrone outfit dominated around the middle. A minute later raiding corner back Paul Hughes followed up last week's point with another to reduce the deficit to 3-2 but the lead was soon doubled as Ciarán McGinley pointed from play. Experienced Tyrone keeper John Devine got caught out with a short pass that Clarke intercepted drawing a foul converted by McConville 4-3 at the end of the First Quarter.
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Inside a minute Errigal added two points to stretch their lead to a goal. Firstly Paul Kernan was harshly penalised for picking the ball off the ground and Canavan converted then the McGinley's Cormac and Ciarán combined to set up Canavan for his second point of the Half to make it 6-3 on 19 minutes. Two minutes later Cross were back on level terms after raising a green flag. Paul Kernan was fouled and delivered the free long to his brother Stephen who launched a high ball into the square to Jamie who despite the close attention of 3 defenders deftly put the ball past Devlin for the game's first goal. Minutes later despite being fouled, Clarke tagged on a point for Cross to lead 1-04 to 0-06 with 5 minutes to go to the short whistle. It was the Tyrone side that pushed on to the break as McRory and Canavan, both from play, gave the perfect reply to the Rangers goal. A rattled Cross showed a very rare sign of panic as they hit 4 wides on the trot with Oisín missing followed by one from substitute Mickey McNamee, just on for Aaron Cunningham, then skipper David McKenna got in on the act and just not to be a fish out of water Martin Aherne brought the half to a close with Rangers fifth wide with Errigal hitting 3.
Cross were out early for the Second Half with a sting in their tail as they looked to impose their game on the challengers who had dictated matters for most of the opening half. The black and amber brigade swarmed all over Errigal from the throw-in dominating possession for the entire Half but were not registering their superiority on the scoreboard. Pointed frees from Oisín and Aaron Kernan edged Cross back in front 1-06 to 0-08 and from then on they were never headed. Paul Kernan cleared out of defence to Aherne who offloaded to Oisín who doubled the lead on 41 minutes. As Errigal struggled to get meaningful possession Cross piled on the pressure but no scores as a barren 9 minute spell was broken as Paul Quinn misplaced a pass directly to Stephen Kernan who was fouled by Ciarán Quinn (yellow card) leaving Oisín to convert to make it 1-08 to 0-08 with 10 minutes left in the game. A sweeping Errigal move saw McRory notch their first score from the re-start after twenty minutes to keep them in contention just 2 points in arrears. Jamie Clarke sent Johnny Hanratty through one on one with Devine but the keeper smothered his hesitant goal attempt. A minute later Aaron Kernan sent Johnny through the Errigal defence with players overlapping on either side it looked as if the Rangers man had carried the ball into trouble but despite being fouled he got the ball to his Captain who put the game to bed by smashing the ball to the roof of the net 2-08 to 0-09.
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Errigal's best player Peter Harte careered forward for a great solo point his team's second and last score of the Half. Tony Kernan from play made it 2-09 to 0-10 as Cross emptied their substitutes' bench. A foul on Tony Kernan saw brother Stephen score to end the scoring leaving Cross comfortably through to their tenth Provincial final. It may have been a chilly day in Clones but there was a warm glow in the overhead sky at the final whistle as the former mentor began his eternal rest with a broad grin and no doubt a few more converted Cross Rangers before the upcoming final. Cross will face first time Finalists Kilcoo who upset the St Gall's applecart which will leave the Rangers seeking back to back victories over the champions of Down having beaten Burren last year.
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Crossmaglen Rangers – K McKeown, P Hughes (0-1), P Kernan, P.McKeown; A Kernan (0-2) , J Morgan, M Aherne; J Hanratty, D McKenna (1-0) , T Kernan (0-1) , S Kernan (0-1), A Cunningham; O McConville (0-4) , J Clarke (1-1), K Carragher Subs- M McNamee for Cunningham, C. Camiskey for Carragher, K Brennan for McConville. P Grant for Clarke, R Finnegan for Aherne.
Errigal Ciarán -J. Devine; A.McCrory, M McCrory, C Quinn; S Tierney, P Harte (0-1), D Harte , Cormac McGinley, E McGinley; Ciaran McGinley (0-1), T Canavan (0-3) , P Quinn, D Canavan (0-3), B Horisk , R McRory (0-2) Subs- J Kelly for P Quinn
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Quote from: Take Your Points on November 18, 2012, 08:03:10 PM
Petey wasn't a major player at any stage. He took some knocks which were not cynical and one staved finger when he tackled a man running at him. The hand injury was his major problem as he couldn't handle the ball even if he managed to get to it. Once again he was played out of position and wasted the opportunity to play him at 11.
Oisin wasn't MoTM, I think was chosen by the commentary team and whoever was with the commentator was hugely annoying even in Irish and I couldn't understand a word. The 'pundit' is supposed to add to the commentary not dominate it. Felt that Stephen Kernan was MoTM because he played in the most decisive balls to the forward line in particular the ball to J Clarke on two occasions leading to goals or near goal chances were brilliant.
Two many main men for Errigal went awol and man for man Errigal was greatly inferior to Cross particularly on the bench where they had no one to make an impact.
errigal also made the mistake of doubling up on Clarke. He'll be some miss for Armagh.
Don't think I agree that Clarke was double marked. Actually thought Mc Crory done as good a job on Clarke as could have been done. Clarke is a special talent. Think any chance Errigal had went out the window when Harte broke his hand at the start of second half. On a whole Cross had too much strength and depth to cope with the Errigal challenge. Think Crossmaglen will have too much in the tank for Kilcoo the next day also.
Strength in depth? They threw on a load of inexperienced young fellas (mcname aside). Cross are a GAA Kasier Sose!
Anybody predicting anything other than a Cross win this weekend?
Paddy Powers has Cross at 2/9 and Kilcoo at 4-1 - would seem fair enough.
Date: Saturday 1st Dec 2012
Ulster Club Junior Football Championship 2012 Final 6 00 PM Páirc Esler, Newry Brackaville Owen Roes --- v An Port Mór --- Ciaran Branagan Date: Sunday 2nd Dec 2012
Ulster Club Intermediate Football Championship 2012 Final 1 15 PM Athletic Grounds Cookstown Fr Rocks --- v Warrenpoint --- TBC
Ulster Club Senior Football Championship 2012 Final 3 00 PM Athletic Grounds Crossmaglen --- v Kilcoo --- Joe Mc Quillan
Bit of a rift in the Cross camp.. http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cross-to-review-dropped-finnegans-future-in-squad-3308057.html
Hardly something that has just appeared - this issue has been there for a while. Didn't detract from any Ulster match - will hardly detract from the final.
Yeah but it was never really mentioned till now, shouldn't have any bearing. as should be too strong on Sunday. Managed to get this far without him. Still it show's the quality when he is on the Armagh panel, and not really missed..
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 27, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
Yeah but it was never really mentioned till now, shouldn't have any bearing. as should be too strong on Sunday. Managed to get this far without him. Still it show's the quality when he is on the Armagh panel, and not really missed..
Yes it has. It was in one of the papers a few weeks ago.
It's been in the public domain for sometime, it will have no bearing on Cross on Sunday.
Fair enough, I must have had my blinkers on then..
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 27, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 27, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
Yeah but it was never really mentioned till now, shouldn't have any bearing. as should be too strong on Sunday. Managed to get this far without him. Still it show's the quality when he is on the Armagh panel, and not really missed..
Yes it has. It was in one of the papers a few weeks ago.
In fairness to Rodney it wasn't mentioned on here or at least not that I saw so the article in the IN was a bit of a surprise.
Just goes to show Cross are like any other club in terms of discipline. Also shows that McEntee is ruthless and a boy not to be crossed!
He hasn't been missed so far so fair play to them. Other clubs maybe don't have the luxury of being able to stick to their guns and leave a guy like that on the sideline.
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 27, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 27, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
Yeah but it was never really mentioned till now, shouldn't have any bearing. as should be too strong on Sunday. Managed to get this far without him. Still it show's the quality when he is on the Armagh panel, and not really missed..
Yes it has. It was in one of the papers a few weeks ago.
In fairness to Rodney it wasn't mentioned on here or at least not that I saw so the article in the IN was a bit of a surprise.
Just goes to show Cross are like any other club in terms of discipline. Also shows that McEntee is ruthless and a boy not to be crossed!
He hasn't been missed so far so fair play to them. Other clubs maybe don't have the luxury of being able to stick to their guns and leave a guy like that on the sideline.
I 100% saw it somewhere, unless I'm going nuts, a few weeks back. If it wasn't IN must have been Gaelic Life then.
Please tell me I'm not imagining things now. :-[
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 27, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 27, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
Yeah but it was never really mentioned till now, shouldn't have any bearing. as should be too strong on Sunday. Managed to get this far without him. Still it show's the quality when he is on the Armagh panel, and not really missed..
Yes it has. It was in one of the papers a few weeks ago.
In fairness to Rodney it wasn't mentioned on here or at least not that I saw so the article in the IN was a bit of a surprise.
Just goes to show Cross are like any other club in terms of discipline. Also shows that McEntee is ruthless and a boy not to be crossed!
He hasn't been missed so far so fair play to them. Other clubs maybe don't have the luxury of being able to stick to their guns and leave a guy like that on the sideline.
In fairness he would be borderline starter on the Cross team and a few eyebrows were raised within the county when he was named on the forthcoming McKenna cup panel. Also this disciplinary issue has been going on for a good few months now so it's not anything new.
Decent player but certainly not a county player imo.
Quote from: hardstation on November 27, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
This is 'Fiddler'? I always thought he was very good any time I saw him play.
Yeah fiddler. Depends what your definition of very good is. You have to be a good player to get on the Cross team but if your talking county level I think he would fall short. There may be some who disagree but broadly speaking I think that would be the common consensus in Armagh.
Crossmaglen Rangers meet Kilcoo in Ulster Final
Ten out of ten
Crossmaglen Rangers return on Sunday to a venue that proved a happy hunting ground 12 months ago as it provided them with their ninth Ulster Club title. Two things have changed this time round as Cross seek to achieve the perfect ten out of ten, their Down opponents on this occasion are first time finalists Kilcoo instead of Burren and the venue has been restored to its traditional name the Athletic Grounds.
Own new niche
The Crossmaglen bandwagon though keeps rolling along unhindered and unbeaten in 27 Championship outings over the last 3 years since the appointment of management duo Tony McEntee and Gareth O'Neill to carve out their own new niche in the chequered career of the club. When Rangers lost the 2009 Armagh Championship to Pearse Óg after a run of 56 Armagh Championship games unbeaten, many believed, especially given the retirement of so many vastly experienced players, that the heady heights that the club has ascended to be proclaimed "the best club team in Ireland" would fall on lean times. Not so, it was time for the new generation of Cross players to step up to the mark, and step up they certainly did, in no uncertain fashion. Management gave youth its fling and their faith in them and a new style of playing the game to suit the loss of their previously famed "huge physical presence" has already brought the club to a new dimension, as they unravel opposition with a refreshing brand of attacking football.
Seasoned veterans Paul Hearty and Oisín McConville remained on board as the three Kernan brothers Aaron, Tony and Paul, Paul McKeown, Aaron Cunningham and Jamie Clarke made up the octet of players on the starting 15 who lost out 0-07 to 0-04 to Pearse Óg in 2009 and started in the 2011 All Ireland final 15 that beat St Brigid's (Roscommon) 2-11 to 1-11. The other 7 players to start that final against the Connacht champions were James Morgan, Danny O' Callaghan, Stephen Finnegan, Johnny Hanratty, David McKenna, Stephen Kernan and Francis Hanratty. Twelve months later in the drawn All Ireland Final with Garrycastle, Cross management brought Brendan McKeown, Kyle Brennan and Mickey McNamee into the starting 15. For the replay win Stephen Finnegan and Francis Hanratty were back on the starting team, which shows that the management duo is not afraid to make the changes when needed.
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For the 2012 Armagh Championship campaign Cross had to evolve even further as they had to plan without the services of Danny O Callaghan and Francis Hanratty and were then deprived the services of Jamie Clarke for the opening two rounds of the Championship. Notwithstanding the absent trio Cross had to adapt without a few injured players which forced management's hand into blooding even more young talent. Paul Hughes has established himself as quite an accomplished corner back even weighing in with points in the last two Ulster Championship outings. Having come off the bench in their previous big Finals Kyle Carragher has blossomed in 2012 from getting a regular starting berth taking his opportunity in impressive fashion with his last outing his least effective following some quality displays. Regularly used young substitutes Ronan Finnegan, Conor O'Neill, Mel Boyce, Callum Comiskey and Paul Grant shows the depth of upcoming talent that Cross is producing, an ominous sign for their challengers. To cap it all Rangers quest for three in a row on all fronts has been boosted by the return from Australia of regular centre half back Danny O'Callaghan who, when he gets up to match fitness, will be pushing hard for his place back although Sunday's final might be a bit soon to reclaim a starting berth.
Sluggish throughout the Armagh campaign until the Final against Pearse Óg, it is worth noting that 3-09 to 0-11 win over the Armagh City side was the first time all year that Rangers were at near full strength. Once Armagh is out of the way and the month of October comes in, Cross become a different breed of animal as their focus and fitness go up a few notches for the tougher tests that lie ahead. For the third game in this Ulster campaign Cross will be prohibitive odds on shots to win their tenth Ulster Final since 1996. Naomh Adhamhnáin, Letterkenny brought their defensive game to the Athletic Grounds in the Quarter Final but in the end were no match for the Champions who ran out 3-11 to 1-07 winners. A week later it was off to Clones where Errigal Ciarán, boasting an unbeaten 4 match run against Cross, were waiting to derail the Armagh side's triple hopes. The Tyrone side led by a point at the short whistle 0-08 to 1-04 but were blitzed in a dominant Second Half by the defending title holders who held them to just 2 Second Half points while notching 1-6 themselves for a six point winning margin 2-10 to 0-10. The Errigal bogey carried no threat for this current squad who, like everyone else, would have gone to the dressing room expecting to hear that the December 2nd Final opposition would be provided by old adversaries and former All Ireland Champions St Gall's of Antrim. But it was Down champions Kilcoo who caused the upset of the competition coming from 3 points behind when reduced to 14 men to record a famous 1-09 to 0-10 win.
Hard to see past holders
First time Finalists Kilcoo know that they are up against it as they try to halt Crossmaglen Rangers' triple assault on retaining their titles. Even more daunting for the underdogs is that they are bidding to become the first team to beat Cross in an Ulster Final, trying to succeed where Bellaghy (1996 & 98), Ballinderry (2006 & 08), Enniskillen Gaels (1999), Mayobridge (2004), St Gall's (2007), Naomh Conaill (2010) and Burren (2011) have all failed.
As with all two horse races the outsider always has a chance but their chance in the most part is dependent on the favourites not producing near their best. Ominously as Rangers enter the cauldron of Ulster Club Championship their performances step up a level from the Armagh Championship. Kilcoo, for their part have also improved since their Down championship win, with the manner of their last victory a lot more beneficial to them than the actual overall performance. Having defied the odds to get to the final they can garner strength and belief that David once again can overcome Goliath.
With a clean bill of health to pick from, Cross management will probably opt for the one change to the starting line out against Errigal with recovered flu victim Paul Hearty, the regular number one, returning between the posts instead of Kevin McKeown who proved more than an able deputy last time out. Such is the depth of the Rangers bench no one can rest on their laurels as Tony and Gareth were afforded the luxury of utilizing 5 substitutes in the last two outings with at least three of them to just give the younger players a feel for the action in case needed for more important roles such as this Sunday.
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Jim McCorry will be forced into at least one change as he will be without influential full back Niall McEvoy. Indiscipline, too many unforced errors, a tendency to take wrong options and a penchant for conceding needless frees are traits that the manager has been trying to eradicate from Kilcoo. Facing up to the firepower of Cross 5-21 in their last two games (Kilcoo 1-22) with such a key defender missing will be a big blow to the challengers. How will they reshuffle their pack to cope with the Clarke, Cunningham, McConville full forward line threat? Cross Rangers have scored 17 goals in 9 Championship outings in 2012, only failing to hit the onion bag in the drawn All Ireland final with Garrycastle. It is also worth noting since the 3 Pauls - Hughes, Kernan and McKeown have manned the full back line Rangers, who were leaking goals earlier in the Championship, have only let in one over the last three games.
Midfielders Paul Greenan and Donal Kane played second fiddle for a long time against St Gall's and will once again be under the cosh as their task gets no easier as they come up against Cross Captain David McKenna and his partner Johnny Hanratty. The Rangers duo was slow to settle against the McGinley's Cormac and Enda but eventually wore them down in a dominant second half. The Kilcoo half forward line of Jerome Johnston, Paul Devlin and Darragh O Hanlon is their most potent accounting for 0-15 of their 0-22 total in their last two games. The elusive Devlin will come up against one of the best man markers in the game in James Morgan, with their dual one to look forward to. But the lively Kilcoo trio will have to baton down the hatches in a more defensive role than they are accustomed to curb the influence of Aaron Kernan from Rangers half back line. Aaron on the ball, spells danger for any team as he serves both as a defensive and attacking lynchpin.
If Aaron has been a big influence so too has been injury plagued eldest brother Stephen. Stephen made a telling difference when brought on against Pearse Óg in the County Final and was a key performer against Errigal with his ball distribution, awareness and use of space excellent. Cross are so successful because they perform so well as a unit. You can pinpoint or highlight the contributions of certain players the next day you are writing about the huge contributions of other members of the team i.e. they have 10 different players who have scored in their last two Ulster outings.
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Kilcoo will give their all and will push the Champions all the way but the title holders have too many aces in their pack to slip up. Cross have a habit of making life difficult for themselves but worryingly for all challengers both their team captain and also star veteran Oisín McConville have both called for improvement and expect more yet to come from their comrades. If Kilcoo throw up the early chances they gave St Gall's, Cross, quite wasteful themselves the last day, will not be so generous this Sunday and will punish their opponents for those mistakes. Come Sunday evening there seems to be only one logical outcome instead of "One for Sorrow, it will be a case of Ten for Joy" as Crossmaglen Rangers continue their magnificent Ulster Club Final record by achieving the perfect 10 out of 10.
Magpies Swoop
The Magpies, as they are known, had swooped to pinch victory from the jaws of defeat in admirable fashion against all the odds to reach the Final at their second time of asking. Current Kilcoo manager Jim McCorry led his charges to the Frank O'Hare Cup for the tenth time in 2009 after a lapse of 72 years since their last Down title. Victory in Ulster against Naomh Adhamhnáin was followed by an agonising one point 1-12 to 1-11 Semi Final defeat by Loup. Having completed a double triumph when in charge of Mayobridge McCorry achieved the same feat with Kilcoo as goals from Conor Laverty and Feilim McGreevy saw off his former charges Mayobridge in this year's Down Final for an eleventh title for "The Magpies." Monaghan Champions, minus their talisman Paul Finlay were the first Ulster hurdle for Kilcoo to cross and they did so in style winning 0-13 to 0-07. Former All Ireland kingpins St Gall's were the formidable Semi Final opponents and led 3-2 after a dour opening Half. The Kilcoo cause looked lost when trailing by 3 points; they lost full back Niall McEvoy to a straight red card with just over 10 minutes to go in the match which rules him out of the Final. The response to adversity brought out the best in the Down Champions with substitutes Ryan Johnston (0-1) and Sean Devlin (1-0) leading a terrific fight back which yielded a 1-09 to 0-10 win, and a place in the Final against the defending champions.
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Kilcoo have a good sprinkling of experienced and youthful players throughout their team with many having donned the County jersey from Minor right to Senior level. Current Down Senior Conor Laverty and Paul Devlin is the fulcrum of their attack with the Branagan's Aidan and Niall shoring up a mean defence. Into the mix come Under 21 stars Ryan Johnston, Jerome Johnston (Jnr), Darragh O Hanlon and James McClean with the vastly experienced former Down man Anthony Devlin on the edge of the square at number 14.
Paths through Ulster
Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 2-10 Errigal Ciarán (Tyrone) 0-10
Crossmaglen Rangers – K McKeown; P Hughes (0-1), P Kernan, P McKeown; A Kernan (0-1), J Morgan, M Aherne; J Hanratty, D McKenna (1-0); K Carragher, S Kernan (0-1), T Kernan (0-1); J Clarke (1-1), A Cunningham, O McConville (0-5). Subs: M McNamee for Cunningham, K Brennan for Carragher, C Cumiskie for McConville, P Grant for Clarke, R Finnegan for Aherne.
Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 3-11 Naomh Adhamhnáin (Donegal) 1-07
Crossmaglen Rangers – P Hearty; P Hughes (0-1), P Kernan,P McKeown; A Kernan (1-2), J Morgan, M Aherne; J Hanratty, D McKenna (0-2); T Kernan (0-1), S Kernan, A Cunningham; O McConville (0-4), J Clarke, K Carragher (1-0). Subs: M McNamee for McKenna, R Finnegan for A Kernan, C O'Neill for Aherne, C Cumeskey (0-1) for Cunningham, P Grant (1-0) for McConville.
Kilcoo (Down) 1-09 St Gall's (Antrim) 0-10
Kilcoo – S Kane; N Branagan, N McEvoy, D Branagan; S O'Hanlon, A Branagan, Gerard McEvoy (0-1); P Greenan, D Kane; J Johnston, P Devlin (0-3), D O'Hanlon (0-3); C Laverty (0-1), A Devlin, Gary McEvoy. Subs: R Johnston (0-1) for P Devlin, S Devlin (1-0) for Gary McEvoy, A McEvoy for Kane, A Devlin for Johnston.
Kilcoo (Down) 0-13 Ballybay (Monaghan) 0-07
Kilcoo – S Kane; N Branagan (0-1), N McEvoy, D Branagan; S O'Hanlon, A Branagan, G McEvoy; P Greenan (0-1), D Kane (0-1); J Johnston (0-4), P Devlin (0-2), D O'Hanlon (0-3); C Laverty, A Devlin, G McEvoy. Subs: R Johnston (0-1) for A Devlin, A McEvoy for J Johnston, J McClean for G McEvoy, S Devlin for D Kane.
Hard to see anything but a Cross win here. They have the ability to raise the game by a notch or 2 when required and blow away the opposition as we discovered. They also have the cynical edge required that other teams have not experienced so much. If a strong ref takes charge they might get caught out though.
The big thing for Kilcoo will be how they use Laverty. When they brought him further out-field, they had far more success. If they try using him as a target man again it'll play into Crossmaglen's hands.
Kilcoo first ever Ulster final and they have to face the best ever side from Ulster. Crossmaglen to win by six points at least on Sunday.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 28, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
Hard to see anything but a Cross win here. They have the ability to raise the game by a notch or 2 when required and blow away the opposition as we discovered. They also have the cynical edge required that other teams have not experienced so much. If a strong ref takes charge they might get caught out though.
???Take a look at the DVD. Mc Quillan gave yous everything in Clones
Cross deserve to be favourites but I just don't see this general opinion that they will run away with it. Kilcoo have earned their place in the final and will not lie down for Cross. Just because a team are favourites and likely to win does not mean they automatically win by big scores. I don't understand why a lot of people think heavy favourites = big margin. They are such strong favourite because when the chips are down Cross can bring the final push needed to close the game out, it's not because they go around blowing everyone out of the water. Cross win many of their game by narrow margins.
The chips will be down and while I still think cross will do it, they will not get it easy and if they win by more than 3 they will have had to play very well.
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Cross deserve to be favourites but I just don't see this general opinion that they will run away with it. Kilcoo have earned their place in the final and will not lie down for Cross. Just because a team are favourites and likely to win does not mean they automatically win by big scores. I don't understand why a lot of people think heavy favourites = big margin. They are such strong favourite because when the chips are down Cross can bring the final push needed to close the game out, it's not because they go around blowing everyone out of the water. Cross win many of their game by narrow margins.
The chips will be down and while I still think cross will do it, they will not get it easy and if they win by more than 3 they will have had to play very well.
I'll base Cross winning by 6/7 points based on the last couple of games, Kilcoo against us in the first half give possession away almost everytime they won the ball in defence, we didn't have our shooting boots on and couldn't build up a lead, kept the lead till ten minutes to go and bar one attack when Kilcoo got the goal we could get the scores to win the match, momentum was with Kilcoo and fair play they stuck at it and won the game.
Cross won't miss that many once they get going, If Kilcoo keep giving the all away they will get hammered, Kilcoo are fit but so is Cross and will be a lot more accurate than us. Good luck to them but I fancy Cross and they would have tanked us also in the final had we have got there!!
Quote from: crossfire on November 28, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 28, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
Hard to see anything but a Cross win here. They have the ability to raise the game by a notch or 2 when required and blow away the opposition as we discovered. They also have the cynical edge required that other teams have not experienced so much. If a strong ref takes charge they might get caught out though.
???Take a look at the DVD. Mc Quillan gave yous everything in Clones
I'd have to agree with crossfire, McQuillan gave EC some sftish frees which Cross didn't get in similar circumstances.
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Cross deserve to be favourites but I just don't see this general opinion that they will run away with it. Kilcoo have earned their place in the final and will not lie down for Cross. Just because a team are favourites and likely to win does not mean they automatically win by big scores. I don't understand why a lot of people think heavy favourites = big margin. They are such strong favourite because when the chips are down Cross can bring the final push needed to close the game out, it's not because they go around blowing everyone out of the water. Cross win many of their game by narrow margins.
The chips will be down and while I still think cross will do it, they will not get it easy and if they win by more than 3 they will have had to play very well.
You say that but Cross have won easy in all their championship games in both Armagh and Ulster. Ironically, the tightest game they've got so far was off an Armagh team (who finished just above relegation in Division 1) who they only beat by 3. In their other games they've beat Maghery by 5, Pearse Og by 7, St Eunan's by 10 and Errigal by 6.
I tipped Kilcoo before as being the team to trouble Cross and they have all the right ingredients to do it, their downfall is their complete lack of experience which Cross will exploit. If Kilcoo can harness their aggression into football and maintain discipline a upset can't be ruled out, but it's hard to see.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 29, 2012, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Cross deserve to be favourites but I just don't see this general opinion that they will run away with it. Kilcoo have earned their place in the final and will not lie down for Cross. Just because a team are favourites and likely to win does not mean they automatically win by big scores. I don't understand why a lot of people think heavy favourites = big margin. They are such strong favourite because when the chips are down Cross can bring the final push needed to close the game out, it's not because they go around blowing everyone out of the water. Cross win many of their game by narrow margins.
The chips will be down and while I still think cross will do it, they will not get it easy and if they win by more than 3 they will have had to play very well.
You say that but Cross have won easy in all their championship games in both Armagh and Ulster. Ironically, the tightest game they've got so far was off an Armagh team (who finished just above relegation in Division 1) who they only beat by 3. In their other games they've beat Maghery by 5, Pearse Og by 7, St Eunan's by 10 and Errigal by 6.
I tipped Kilcoo before as being the team to trouble Cross and they have all the right ingredients to do it, their downfall is their complete lack of experience which Cross will exploit. If Kilcoo can harness their aggression into football and maintain discipline a upset can't be ruled out, but it's hard to see.
Afraid not Fitz, 6/7 point win, if Kilcoo play like they did against us and score 1-9 then they will get beat
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 29, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 28, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 28, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
Hard to see anything but a Cross win here. They have the ability to raise the game by a notch or 2 when required and blow away the opposition as we discovered. They also have the cynical edge required that other teams have not experienced so much. If a strong ref takes charge they might get caught out though.
???Take a look at the DVD. Mc Quillan gave yous everything in Clones
I'd have to agree with crossfire, McQuillan gave EC some sftish frees which Cross didn't get in similar circumstances.
A couple of cross lads were very lucky to receive yellow instead of straight reds for off the ball stuff that was picked up by the umpires and linesman. I know for a fact the linesman instructed the ref of a red card incident (told the ref it was a def red for stamping) at the start of the second half but the ref issued a yellow.
Don't get me wrong it is not sour grapes as Cross deserved their victory but a Strong referee could make the difference.
Good luck to Cross and I genuinely hope they get their 3 in a row in March.
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Cross deserve to be favourites but I just don't see this general opinion that they will run away with it. Kilcoo have earned their place in the final and will not lie down for Cross. Just because a team are favourites and likely to win does not mean they automatically win by big scores. I don't understand why a lot of people think heavy favourites = big margin. They are such strong favourite because when the chips are down Cross can bring the final push needed to close the game out, it's not because they go around blowing everyone out of the water. Cross win many of their game by narrow margins.
The chips will be down and while I still think cross will do it, they will not get it easy and if they win by more than 3 they will have had to play very well.
Just to pick up on this point, any bookie who has cause to study these things will tell you that there is a world of difference between the Cross team since 2009 and Cross teams before it. Pre 2009, Cross were the masters at getting in front and doing what they needed to do to hold on. They racked up any amount of comfortable two and three point wins, even though intuitively there should be no such thing as a comfortable two point win. I'm not going to bother researching and getting the statistics up for the purposes of a post on a DB, but trust me, they back this up.
However since the new management took over, they're not the same team at all. Their use of the ball is a joy to watch and they score heavily. They aren't just winning games, they're covering the handicap as well.
To put it another way: the general match odds for this game are 1/5 Cross, 9/2 Kilcoo and 9/1 draw. The handicap is five in some places, and 4 in others. It should be five across the board - I'll punt Cross minus four.
However five or six years ago, if Cross were 1/5 to win a game, the handicap would have been either 4/5 Cross minus 3, or 5/4 about Cross minus four. This team is much more explosive than the previous version.
Just to follow on from that point, I've just seen the numbers from Crossmaglen's season last year, in Armagh/Ulster/Ireland. Played ten games, W9 D1. However against the handicap, it was P 10 W8 D 1 L1. Not alone are they winning, they're winning by more than the bookies expect, consistently. I haven't got all their results for this year yet but they've definitely covered the spread against Eunans, Errigal and Pearse Óg anyway.
Cross to cover a 4 point handicap at 10/11 is a great bet. Have a feeling they will destroy Kilcoo.
jes wild bit of gambling chat going on here lads
As for anyone thinking kilcoo are being written off, well then ok, lets make them favourites and put pressure on them ( as if this board makes any difference). Kilcoo to stuff cross and win by 7
Cross have beaten better teams this year and beaten them well. Kilcoo will need a slice of luck and a Joe McQullian type ref to win, you never know. Chelsea or Celtic vs Barca springs to mind.
Preview of Cross and Kilcoo here for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6483
I reckon kilcoo will sneak it by one or 2 they have came in under the radar no one thought they would be st galls and they have no previous history of playing cross so they have nothing too lose
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
Cross have beaten better teams this year and beaten them well. Kilcoo will need a slice of luck and a Joe McQullian type ref to win, you never know. Chelsea or Celtic vs Barca springs to mind.
In fairness I think if Barca could have taken their points they'd have beaten Celtic! :)
Hard to see anything but a comfortable win for Cross tomorrow. Kilcoo simply have no answer to Jamie Clarke, he will destroy their defence. Oisin as always will keep the scoreboard ticking over and you would think Cross will also dominate midfield. Its hard to see any area of the field where Kilcoo will have the upper hand. Tomorrow is just another stepping stone on the way to three in a row.
Needless to say I have a few pounds on an An port mor, Cookstown, Cross treble.
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
Past your bedtime son. Give over. Cross have earned the right to prepare for games how they see fit!!
Any links for the match online for those of us in the States?
tykestv.eu is usually good or you could subscribe to overplay.net which changes your I.p address and stream it from the tg4 site.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
I've never seen a club (maybe even a county) team that plays football with the intelligence, accuracy and clinical nature of the current Cross side.
If fortlecks before a county final are part of the prep that has delivered this, then maybe it's you who should be rethinking your tale on football prep.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
They wouldnt be the first team to do that. I do admire their ability to put those stories into the media though because it creates the mystique that somehow you're playing more then a football team. True or not it's designed to put the shits up their opponents and invariably it works.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
He also said Crossmaglen players don't do weights, so pinch of salt and all that.
Good luck to Cross today, hoping for a Black and Amber double :D
Quote from: onefaircounty on December 02, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
He also said Crossmaglen players don't do weights, so pinch of salt and all that.
Point of fact, Cross had no weights room or any weights 'program' until after last years AI final.
i heard that titch mckenna puts concrete in his weetabix every morning, and that danny o'callaghan lives in a coal bunker behind the hall and is only ever released for training and matches.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 02, 2012, 12:08:51 PM
i heard that titch mckenna puts concrete in his weetabix every morning, and that danny o'callaghan lives in a coal bunker behind the hall and is only ever released for training and matches.
The first one is pure dung.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on December 02, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
He also said Crossmaglen players don't do weights, so pinch of salt and all that.
Point of fact, Cross had no weights room or any weights 'program' until after last years AI final.
all you need is a small hall, some med balls, dumbbells and a chin up bar.
That is your gym right there.
I admit it was a possible over-reaction to the 70 minute fartlek story that I heard in the pub yesterday. I'd say it was probably a tall story from Brolly, couldn't see Oisin doing a 70 minute fartlek and playing a full match on the same day. Maybe a session for the subs or something like that.
Jesus I have never heard so much tripe in my entire life about this cross team & their current training regime..
1) They did not go for a run the morning of their match v Carrickcruppen, as I met 2 of their starting team in Buttercrane the morning of that match, so unless they have identical twins?
2) They did have training plans for gym sessions, as a current Cross player had a large folder of exercises and sets with him in Jordanstown gym at the start of last year, as i played in the very same team as him...
Some people talk pure yite on this thing
Quote from: INDIANA on December 02, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
They wouldnt be the first team to do that. I do admire their ability to put those stories into the media though because it creates the mystique that somehow you're playing more then a football team. True or not it's designed to put the shits up their opponents and invariably it works.
Getting worried, agree with Indiana twice in one week. Kaiser Sose style guff & it is working, last year's Ulster club was a cake walk for Cross, most teams are beat by the sight of the jersey.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
Cross have beaten better teams this year and beaten them well. Kilcoo will need a slice of luck and a Joe McQullian type ref to win, you never know. Chelsea or Celtic vs Barca springs to mind.
by saying a joe mcqullian type of ref to win, do you mean a ref that will be one sided , soft frees, penalties, red carding a cross man etc while turning a blind eye to the underdogs, ie ( them boys are all ireland champions sure they will be all right )....The refs job is to be fair to both teams regardless of their histories . The last thing we want to see is our game ending up like the boxing or some of the racing sports.
Delayed start in the Cross v Kilcoo game. 3.15.
Any links for Video or Audio that is not TG4?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on December 02, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 01, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Reading Joe Brolly this week and he maintains that Cross completed a 70 minute fartlek run around Gosford Forest Park the morning of their Armagh SFC semi final against Carrickcruppen. If its true then its downright disrespectful to their opponents and the Armagh championship. It is an indication of the disdain that they treat their opponents with in Armagh that they felt that they could have a slogging session that morning and still get to a county final later that day.
No doubt they will claim that it was all part of the bigger picture but what were they going to achieve having a training session and match on the same day? I'm not a sports science expert but even I would know that the risk of injury would be severely heightened by this arrangement.
He also said Crossmaglen players don't do weights, so pinch of salt and all that.
Point of fact, Cross had no weights room or any weights 'program' until after last years AI final.
Point of fact, they were doing the weights in the Carrickdale on their own, and a lot of them were on weights programme with the county. They may not have weights training collectively, but they do weights.
Over 8,000 at todays finals
Crossmaglen 1-0
Kilcoo 0-0
All over after 5 mins.
Cross 2-1
Kilcoo 0-0
After 3 minutes
Goal 1: McConville; Penalty
Goal 2: A. Kernan
Cross 2-3
Kilcoo 0-1
Aaron Kernan
Quote from: our_fella on December 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Jesus I have never heard so much tripe in my entire life about this cross team & their current training regime..
1) They did not go for a run the morning of their match v Carrickcruppen, as I met 2 of their starting team in Buttercrane the morning of that match, so unless they have identical twins?
2) They did have training plans for gym sessions, as a current Cross player had a large folder of exercises and sets with him in Jordanstown gym at the start of last year, as i played in the very same team as him...
Some people talk pure yite on this thing
only repeating what brolly said in fairness
Cross 2-6
Kilcoo 0-1
Winning like this is bad for any team. No disrespect to Kilcoo
22 mins gone 11 points down, you wouldn't fancy Kilcoo's chances :o To be fair I wouldn't think any team in the country could win from this position.
Makes the Munster final seem competitive.
Ulster Council are set to refund all patrons charged at the gates of the ulster club final today as the game only lasted 3 minutes.
Cross 2-7
Kilcoo 0-5
Cross 2-7
Kilcoo 0-6
Fight back...
Kilcoo only 4 points behind, they just scored a goal
2-7
1-6
Hard to argue with that red card.
Game on! :)
is there any radio coverage?
3 in it now.
Cross will lose this.
21 for Cross would be in trouble if they weren't already a man down.
Quote from: outinfront on December 02, 2012, 04:31:14 PM
is there any radio coverage?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/19884827
Jamie should of walked
Thanks!
Why is there always a small army of fellas on the line at Ulster club games?
What do they all do?
Jamie walked
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
Why is there always a small army of fellas on the line at Ulster club games?
What do they all do?
Start rows.
The soft penalty proved decisive.
Seems that an initial yellow card is now a licence to kill from a refereeing perspective
Quote from: spuds on December 02, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Jamie should of walked
Cross player desevedly red carded. Since then ref is killing Kilcoo. Cross getting a few handy frees & experience for Cross will see them through.
Ref bottled it in not giving Jamie Clarke a red card. Then the same guy only gets a second yellow for kicking Kilcoo player as he is falling to the ground.
So despite 2 straight red card offences the guy can play in All Ireland semi final. What a f**kin joke
all over with a k brennan goal for cross
Seems by sending off cross players it pisses them off and they win anyway.
Dublin 7, Paul devlin stuck the knee's into Clarke when he went over the sideline, he didnt react by throwing digs, it was only holding. And with regards to the 1st sending off, bravo to j.johnston for the most dramatic of dives. Order is restored in Ulster
Good spirit shown by Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Good match spoiled by the usual oul petulance and thuggery which seems obligatory from some.
Crossmaglen have to be roarin favourites for AI now :P
The dirtiness aside, you have to hand it to Crossmaglen. Never in doubt after the first sending off. Oisin McConville is still a different class of player.
Still though, there were some aspects of the second half that might not have won over any new Crossmaglen support. As well as the first sending off, the number 10 and number 21 also threw punches and should have walked. The number 13 Jamie Clarke probably lucky to get away with a yellowthe first time too - he looks too weak to me anyway. Every time he got the ball he was overpowered....I'm surprised he's a starter for Armagh. Surely needs to bulk up a little bit.
Quote from: our_fella on December 02, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
Paul devlin stuck the knee's into Clarke when he went over the sideline, he didnt react by throwing digs, it was only holding.
Hilarious ! He dived across from his prostrate position to "hold" him ? ;D
Quote from: our_fella on December 02, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
Dublin 7, Paul devlin stuck the knee's into Clarke when he went over the sideline, he didnt react by throwing digs, it was only holding. And with regards to the 1st sending off, bravo to j.johnston for the most dramatic of dives. Order is restored in Ulster
Well thats an interesting interpretation of a headlock................
Need have words with the Kilcoo player for getting in the way of the Cross player's fist alright for the first red card. Shame on him!
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 02, 2012, 04:58:58 PM
The dirtiness aside, you have to hand it to Crossmaglen. Never in doubt after the first sending off. Oisin McConville is still a different class of player.
Still though, there were some aspects of the second half that might not have won over any new Crossmaglen support. As well as the first sending off, the number 10 and number 21 also threw punches and should have walked. The number 13 Jamie Clarke probably lucky to get away with a yellowthe first time too - he looks too weak to me anyway. Every time he got the ball he was overpowered....I'm surprised he's a starter for Armagh. Surely needs to bulk up a little bit.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Kilcoo are the trampiest bunch I have ever seen, if it wasn't for frees today it would have been an anhilation, not 1 footballer in that team. All they can do is , drag and foul. Credit to most of the cross players for keeping their cool, but joe mcquillan let them away with murder.
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Who gives a fiddlers f**k about them dorty Kilcoo ones... ULSTER CHAMPIONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Shocking complacency in the second half from Cross, looked like it was going to cost them at one stage. Kilcoo are the first team i've saw that really appeared to get under Cross's skin. Jamie's head doesn't appear to in the game atm, deservedly seeing red, N2 was a wee dirtboard but undoubtedly he did his 'job'. I would have given fish aherne MOTM, his best game all year. Congrats to Cross.
Quote from: seanaglis on December 02, 2012, 05:03:06 PM
Kilcoo are the trampiest bunch I have ever seen, if it wasn't for frees today it would have been an anhilation, not 1 footballer in that team. All they can do is , drag and foul. Credit to most of the cross players for keeping their cool, but joe mcquillan let them away with murder.
This must be in the running for the most inaccurate post ever ::)
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
The same shoulder he's had surgery on & came off to be replaced by Danny O'Callaghan 2 mins later? Tit.
They will probably be the most physical team Cross will play this year. Good to see that Cross are still on for three in a row. I was concerned about Cross not being challenged because no team learns anything from hammering another team but now I would be concerned about how they let Kilcoo get within 3 points of them.
for the second cross match running, the person who got motm didn't deserve it!!! another crappy selection. McConville the last time and mckenna today.
aherne or johnny hanratty were the best players on the pitch.
I think the Cross full-back was substituted not long after his injury.
I also think Jamie Clarke could do with six months of conditioning. Nobody is doubting that he isn't a fabulous footballer but there were times today when his lack of strength was blindingly obvious. He should have had a goal mid-way through the second half.....but couldn't shake off the tackle and ended up losing the ball. I think when it comes to the Donegals and Tyrones next year he'll definitely experience similiar treatment.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on December 02, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
I think the Cross full-back was substituted not long after his injury.
I also think Jamie Clarke could do with six months of conditioning. Nobody is doubting that he isn't a fabulous footballer but there were times today when his lack of strength was blindingly obvious. He should have had a goal mid-way through the second half.....but couldn't shake off the tackle and ended up losing the ball. I think when it comes to the Donegals and Tyrones next year he'll definitely experience similiar treatment.
he wont give a fiddler's feck, he'll be sunning up the body on a beach in oz instead of lifting weights come the summer
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Paul Kernan had a recurrence of the shoulder injury that caused him to miss 5 months since AI replay. He is likely to miss the AI semi. A mixture of good and bad. Couldn't see sending offs from where I was so won't comment on them. Jamie Clarke was physically abused the whole game and was struck twice in the face in front of the umpires and no action was taken. Kilcoo can be proud of their comeback but utterly ashamed of some of wjst they did. This is not over yet...
For all those that complain of Crossmaglens perceived dirt I don't know what match you were watching because Kilcoo give as cynical display of gaelic fotball I have seen in a long time. They are an ordinary side who scrapped until the end but ultimately they fell short. Cross were guilty of misplacing more passes today than the last 3 games combined and they didn't play that well but they didn't need to. The amount of pulling and dragging by Kilcoo had to be seen to be believed.
The Cross penalty was dodgy, and looked more like a tangle of legs than a foul. It was very nearly saved by the Kilcoo keeper, who then hit a poor kick-out and the ball was back in his net a matter of seconds later. Cross then started hitting points from all angles and it was amazing that they let Kilcoo back into the game with something of a collapse in the third quarter.
Conor Laverty's pass for Anthony Devlin's goal was a gem, although Devlin really should have got a red card in the first half. It was a niggly match from the start, and that suited Kilcoo when they got some momentum going. What was really surprising was that Kilcoo's half forward line of Darragh O'Hanlon, Jerome Johnston and Paul Devlin were relatively poor on the day, and kept giving away possession, but if it had not been for the two early goals - which were a mixture of bad luck and inexperience - the shock of the decade could easily have been on.
Cross will certainly know that the indiscipline they often showed today would be fatal in an AI semi. To win ten Ulster finals out of ten is unbelievable, but the likes of St Brigid's and Dr Croke's will fancy their chances now.
Who was it said Armagh football was shite? Indiana? 2/3 isn't bad - senior and junior ulster champs
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Paul Kernan had a recurrence of the shoulder injury that caused him to miss 5 months since AI replay. He is likely to miss the AI semi. A mixture of good and bad. Couldn't see sending offs from where I was so won't comment on them. Jamie Clarke was physically abused the whole game and was struck twice in the face in front of the umpires and no action was taken. Kilcoo can be proud of their comeback but utterly ashamed of some of wjst they did. This is not over yet...
you on about the incident with aaron cunningham BC? he wasnt best pleased what ever was said to him. have a fair idea what it may have been as well. if it comes out what he said and its what i think it may be there could be serious implications!!!
anyhow, great game, really enjoyed it and cross are some team! they have increased my bank balance once again!
who do they play in the semis now?? any date set yet?
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Even more clever to be substituted straight after?
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on December 02, 2012, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Even more clever to be substituted straight after?
Yeah he has an ongoing problem with his shoulder dislocating that is career threatening so I would hardly call it gamesmanship.
Not long in from game. Will start by saying as an Armagh man I went to support Cross but would not have been too disappointed if they had lost. By the end I was cheering Cross to the hilt. For me the way Kilcoo play is the type of game that is destroying football. It must also be pointed out that the pitch was very slippy and there was persistent rain which made handling difficult and I think this helped Kilcoo. I did not see the sending off incidents but I could see from my seat in the first half that Clarke, McConville and Stephen Kernan in particular were getting fierce abuse off the ball. I am sure a couple of Kilcoo forwards would say they suffered too.
I thought Clarke had to work harder to get his frees than other players from both sides. He will learn a lot from getting send off today. The way the game was refereed today also suggested it is better to go down when tackled than stay on your feet!
Paul Kernan showed unbelievable bravery to try and play on after his injury and for anyone to suggest he was feigning injury is just plain daft.
It is along time since I saw so many Cross players so rattled and whatever was said to Cunningham must have really got to him as even Hanratty was trying to calm him down!
As for Man of Match watching the game at the ground I thought McKenna was superb. Was he given award?
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:14:44 PM
for the second cross match running, the person who got motm didn't deserve it!!! another crappy selection. McConville the last time and mckenna today.
aherne or johnny hanratty were the best players on the pitch.
Would agree with that. I would have selected Johnny Hanratty as MOTM. McKenna caught a few balls in the middle alright but went missing for spells.
Kilcoo players have officially been accused of racially abusing Cunningham.
Oh dear. Wrong headlines on the NI news again tomorrow. Sad stuff.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Kilcoo players have officially been accused of racially abusing Cunningham.
Guess what is going to dominate the headlines for the rest of the week now. I was putting 2 and 2 together at the match and thought something like this happened at the time. We could do without this really, the club championships never cease to throw up controversy.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on December 02, 2012, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Even more clever to be substituted straight after?
......................... aye, just to make sure ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) I missed him going off and I retract my statement. Seemed nothing in the tackle though.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Kilcoo players have officially been accused of racially abusing Cunningham.
With the week that is in it (O'Neill's speech) I hope they come down like a ton of bricks on these players if they did what they did.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Kilcoo players have officially been accused of racially abusing Cunningham.
Were did you see this?
Headline on bbcni online news. 2 different players at it apparently.
GAA investigates Crossmaglen player's racial abuse claim
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Crossmaglen 3-9 1-9 Kilcoo
The GAA is to investigate claims of racism both on the pitch and on the terraces at the Ulster Club football final between Crossmaglen and Kilcoo.
Crossmaglen player Aaron Cunningham, whose father is black, claimed he was racially abused throughout the match by two members of the Kilcoo panel.
The GAA has refused to make any public comment pending an investigation.
However, it is understood the alleged incidents will form part of the match referee's report.
Crossmaglen won the match by 3-9 to 1-9 to secure their third consecutive Ulster title.
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
GAA investigates Crossmaglen player's racial abuse claim
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Crossmaglen 3-9 1-9 Kilcoo
The GAA is to investigate claims of racism both on the pitch and on the terraces at the Ulster Club football final between Crossmaglen and Kilcoo.
Crossmaglen player Aaron Cunningham, whose father is black, claimed he was racially abused throughout the match by two members of the Kilcoo panel.
The GAA has refused to make any public comment pending an investigation.
However, it is understood the alleged incidents will form part of the match referee's report.
Crossmaglen won the match by 3-9 to 1-9 to secure their third consecutive Ulster title.
Anyone at the game hear anything??
Nothing I hate more than racism in sport. 2 year ban for players caught at the very minimum!!
It was heard by several people I spoke and I believe the linesman was aware of it too and spoke to the ref. Disgraceful stuff and I hope they are ashamed of themselves.
At the match a Kilcoo man suggested to me that getting sent off would teach Jamie Clarke some manners. Looks as if some Kilcoo players will have to learn a whole lot more. Disgraceful, unacceptable etc. I know everyone is innocent until proven otherwise but everyone knew something was up by Cunningham's reaction. If they are guilty they will be forever shamed.
I didn't even know young Cunningham was mixed-race until now.
You'd wonder what sort of an ignorant pig would be at this craic, in this day and age.
Make an example of them.
I hope both sets of supporters let rip on the racist bastards who shouted abuse at Cunningham and I hope the Kilcoo club will make an example of them and ban them from the club and publicly name them.
Chin was playing for his club when he got racially abused but the ref said they can't do nothing as it is not in the rules to send someone off for such behaviour.
Game was very like the semi final against Burren a couple of years ago. Cross almost threw that one away too after running up a big lead. Hanratty, Ahearn and A Kernan were excellent. Clarke looked like he was determined to get the line. He gets his shit knocked in any time he goes near the ball, but you'd have thought he'd be used to that by now. Cross are no angels, but they don't even compare to Kilcoo and some of the craic they were at today. A disgusting football team.
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
I hope both sets of supporters let rip on the racist b**tards who shouted abuse at Cunningham and I hope the Kilcoo club will make an example of them and ban them from the club and publicly name them.
Chin was playing for his club when he got racially abused but the ref said they can't do nothing as it is not in the rules to send someone off for such behaviour.
Did the fella that abused Chin in Wexford not get something ridiculous like 8 weeks?? Kilcoo will get nowhere if they stoop to that kind of behaviour. Disgraceful!!!
Ban them for life!
Top story on the BBC News at 6. Kilcoo will need to show leadership and cooperate fully with the investigation and punish all those involved regardless of sanctions the GAA give the culprits.
Not the headlines anybody wanted to be reading at all.
Well done Cross.
Some team.
This will be all over the media in the coming days and the players accused will no doubt get long suspensions and deservedly so. However this is fairly common at underage levels and I heard recently of a minor final in Louth that was abandoned due to racist abuse and I also have heard of other incidents at underage level that happened but would never reach the media.
So its perhaps unfair to tar Kilcoo as a club for what happened until we see how they deal with the matter. The players/supporters involved should be ashamed of themselves but I hope they have the decency to personally apologise and then take their punishment on the chin.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
I didn't even know young Cunningham was mixed-race until now.
You'd wonder what sort of an ignorant pig would be at this craic, in this day and age.
Make an example of them.
Same, didn't recognise it at all.
Everyone is talking now about the racism but be honest lads, alot of this sledging is commonplace in the GAA, not only is it accepted it is actively promoted by some managers. Okay the lads today over stepped the line into racist abuse but alot of the stuff I've heard said and read is equally as abhorrent as racism (not lessening the racism charge btw). Sure didn't Cassidy retell alot of stuff the Donegal players were instructed to say to John Doyle. I would say that was the tip of the iceberg, among stuff that couldn't be printed. Not just Donegal at it though, for years they were on the receiving end of it, particularly in the ulster championship.
You can't just cry foul when the abuse spills over into racism, alot of the non-racist abuse can be as equally twisted, enraging and demeaning to the player on the end of it.
Quote from: get up there on December 02, 2012, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
Cross have beaten better teams this year and beaten them well. Kilcoo will need a slice of luck and a Joe McQullian type ref to win, you never know. Chelsea or Celtic vs Barca springs to mind.
by saying a joe mcqullian type of ref to win, do you mean a ref that will be one sided , soft frees, penalties, red carding a cross man etc while turning a blind eye to the underdogs, ie ( them boys are all ireland champions sure they will be all right )....The refs job is to be fair to both teams regardless of their histories . The last thing we want to see is our game ending up like the boxing or some of the racing sports.
Well we got the real thing. McQuillan should not be let loose with a whistle ever again. His one sided booking, soft frees etc kept one man band Kilcoo in it. Kilcoo's number 14 did even get booked for a forearm smash, they pulled and dragged Clarke all afternoon and every single call went against him. McQuillian make Sludden look like a top class ref.
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2012, 04:43:23 PM
Quote from: spuds on December 02, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Jamie should of walked
Cross player desevedly red carded. Since then ref is killing Kilcoo. Cross getting a few handy frees & experience for Cross will see them through.
Ref bottled it in not giving Jamie Clarke a red card. Then the same guy only gets a second yellow for kicking Kilcoo player as he is falling to the ground.
So despite 2 straight red card offences the guy can play in All Ireland semi final. What a f**kin joke
You need to go to specsavers mate.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 02, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
The same shoulder he's had surgery on & came off to be replaced by Danny O'Callaghan 2 mins later? Tit.
+1
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2012, 04:43:23 PM
Quote from: spuds on December 02, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
Jamie should of walked
Cross player desevedly red carded. Since then ref is killing Kilcoo. Cross getting a few handy frees & experience for Cross will see them through.
Ref bottled it in not giving Jamie Clarke a red card. Then the same guy only gets a second yellow for kicking Kilcoo player as he is falling to the ground.
So despite 2 straight red card offences the guy can play in All Ireland semi final. What a f**kin joke
You need to go to specsavers mate.
And then watch the same game that everyone is talking about
Quote from: trileacman on December 02, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
You can't just cry foul when the abuse spills over into racism, alot of the non-racist abuse can be as equally twisted, enraging and demeaning to the player on the end of it.
I presume fat or ginger or bald players have taken some amount of abuse over the years.
How about a straight red and a 6 month suspension for any type of personal abuse of players??
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 06:21:49 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on December 02, 2012, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 02, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Big turning point in game.....................
Kilcoo get a goal through Devlin, to make it 3/4 in it. Crossmaglen's Paul Kernan , the FB one, goes down with a 'bad' arm even though in the reply nothing happened him. He goes down for 3 minutes and totally kills the roll Kilcoo were on. Very clever.
Even more clever to be substituted straight after?
......................... aye, just to make sure ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) I missed him going off and I retract my statement. Seemed nothing in the tackle though.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Kilcoo players have officially been accused of racially abusing Cunningham.
With the week that is in it (O'Neill's speech) I hope they come down like a ton of bricks on these players if they did what they did.
Quite clear on the tv replay his shoulder seemed to give when he made the tackle.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 02, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
You can't just cry foul when the abuse spills over into racism, alot of the non-racist abuse can be as equally twisted, enraging and demeaning to the player on the end of it.
I presume fat or ginger or bald players have taken some amount of abuse over the years.
How about a straight red and a 6 month suspension for any type of personal abuse of players??
If the Kilcoo players used the word that I am thinking then you need to look up the relevance of the word instead of making such ignorant comments.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
I didn't even know young Cunningham was mixed-race until now.
You'd wonder what sort of an ignorant pig would be at this craic, in this day and age.
Make an example of them.
Aaron's dad Joey was one of the best and a gentleman to boot. Shame on Kilcoo if the racist abuse is true.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 02, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
You can't just cry foul when the abuse spills over into racism, alot of the non-racist abuse can be as equally twisted, enraging and demeaning to the player on the end of it.
I presume fat or ginger or bald players have taken some amount of abuse over the years.
How about a straight red and a 6 month suspension for any type of personal abuse of players??
Now now the fat ginger baldy on the Kilcoo team was lucky to stay on the pitch.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 02, 2012, 07:36:36 PM
You can't just cry foul when the abuse spills over into racism, alot of the non-racist abuse can be as equally twisted, enraging and demeaning to the player on the end of it.
I presume fat or ginger or bald players have taken some amount of abuse over the years.
How about a straight red and a 6 month suspension for any type of personal abuse of players??
Now now the fat ginger baldy on the Kilcoo team was lucky to stay on the pitch.
You have hidden talents my friend. Great word play.
Nothing but credit to Tony Mac and the management team to take the lad off. He was playing well, and I did wonder at the substitution.
Was he taken off shortly after mcQuillan had the long chat with both umpires and the linesman but appeared to just play on. Wonder if that was him being informed of what they heard?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 02, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
Quote from: seanaglis on December 02, 2012, 05:03:06 PM
Kilcoo are the trampiest bunch I have ever seen, if it wasn't for frees today it would have been an anhilation, not 1 footballer in that team. All they can do is , drag and foul. Credit to most of the cross players for keeping their cool, but joe mcquillan let them away with murder.
This must be in the running for the most inaccurate post ever ::)
How so? Were you at the game or making your well judged comments from watching the game on tv? The level of kilcoo trampiness had to be seen to be believed. Cross had some great hard games against some hard teams over the years like the bellaghy games of the mid 90s and while they weren't for the faint hearted there was no trampiness like I witnessed today. Constant pulling and bitching, and if a cross man lifted his hand to retaliate down they went. Never as glad to see a team beat
On the 1- 10 scale of personal abuse where does racism sit? Where does fatism, baldyism and gingerism sit?
Quote from: 36-03-09 on December 02, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 02, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
On the 1- 10 scale of personal abuse where does racism sit? Where does fatism, baldyism and gingerism sit?
Well as a fat ginger (albeit one badly needing a haircut), I'd say racism is a lot worse than any of those, since none of my ancestors were historically persecuted for being fat and ginger.
Quite an oversight on the part of historical persecutors
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 02, 2012, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: 36-03-09 on December 02, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 02, 2012, 08:47:33 PM
On the 1- 10 scale of personal abuse where does racism sit? Where does fatism, baldyism and gingerism sit?
Well as a fat ginger (albeit one badly needing a haircut), I'd say racism is a lot worse than any of those, since none of my ancestors were historically persecuted for being fat and ginger.
Quite an oversight on the part of historical persecutors
I agree with Duffleking. Whether it is the colour of hair, colour of skin or weight, all personal abuse is wrong.
As a Down man i am sitting here tonight as embarassed as ive ever been. What happened today to Aaron Cunningham was a disgrace and if Kilcoo are the club they say they are they will have already dealt with the two players involved
The Ulster council have come out with a big statement tonight about their position on racism. I hope that this is refletced in the penalty given to the two Kilcoo players involved - and from what i heard in the stands today and afterwards on the pitch, a penalty should be considered for the club itself.
The FA made complete tools out of themselves and their code with the way they handled suarez, ferdinand/terry.
There is no place for this sort of shite in our code, and the ulster council need to show that they have balls to deal with this sort of behaviour so is to root it out and completely discourage it.
And as far as comparing racist with fat/bald/ginger...f**k sake
Eh, who said other firms of abuse were no worse than racism you two dingbats (term of endearment)
But they quoted me ..
Didn't like the play-acting of the Kilcoo players today. Jamie Clarke gave a lad a slap on the snout and yer man went down like Tulisa. Cunningham received a bang on the back of the head by the Kilcoo number 14 and played on like nothing happened.
I watched this game as a neutral and had been hoping for a kilcoo win.
It didn't takelong for me to change my mind. Play acting, constant jibing at cross players, sly digs when a cross player released the ball and the list could go on.
Clarke didn't strike the guy on the sideline. A yellow was correct. What he was doing the second time, though the play acting was again shocking, merited another booking. Mcnamee deserved to walk though a bit theatrical again.
Cross discipline will need to improve but clarke got 2 yellows so should avoid suspension.The less said about kilcoo the better.
Bar the mcnamee red good enough result for cross as they'll know job done but they can improve.
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Didn't like the play-acting of the Kilcoo players today. Jamie Clarke gave a lad a slap on the snout and yer man went down like Tulisa. Cunningham received a bang on the back of the head by the Kilcoo number 14 and played on like nothing happened.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15478.40;wap2
And what has that to do with today's game?
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/taggedNews/206031/N_om_l_oo
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
And what has that to do with today's game?
a culture that started with your goodselves.
Quote from: hardstation on December 02, 2012, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 02, 2012, 10:04:37 PM
Eh, who said other firms of abuse were no worse than racism you two dingbats (term of endearment)
Trileacman did.
I didn't, I said that
some of the abuse can be as bad as racism, unless you count religious intolerance and poking fun at recent family deaths acceptable.
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/taggedNews/206031/N_om_l_oo
Sorry should have said Kilcoo issue statement.
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
And what has that to do with today's game?
a culture that started with your goodselves.
OK.
dont know if the issue is 'who invented diving' - hardly a pursuit that Tyrone monopolise .....id say the racism today is more of a concern?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 02, 2012, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
And what has that to do with today's game?
a culture that started with your goodselves.
OK.
dont know if the issue is 'who invented diving' - hardly a pursuit that Tyrone monopolise .....id say the racism today is more of a concern?
he didnt mention racism in his post, just thought it was a bit rich a tyrone man complaining about diving etc.
Aaron Cunningham's dad was subjected to racial abuse when he played for Armagh was he not?
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 02, 2012, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
And what has that to do with today's game?
a culture that started with your goodselves.
OK.
dont know if the issue is 'who invented diving' - hardly a pursuit that Tyrone monopolise .....id say the racism today is more of a concern?
he didnt mention racism in his post, just thought it was a bit rich a tyrone man complaining about diving etc.
Eh? Do I play-act?
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
Charlie as much as I dislike the Tyrone men I think your off your rocker if you think they were responsible for the incidents today. Remember the legendary wee James was fond of hitting the deck when a hand went near him!
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
So, out of the thousands, possibly over a million players who played GAA at every level before Ricey made his mark in a Tyrone jersey, every single one of them was a gentleman and a scholar in all aspects of his career?
The thing I find funny is that far, far more people have called a player like McMenamin a sc**bag than someone like Paddy Power, whose sole contribution to the game is put a young fella in a coma and end their playing days. Cultural amnesia, I call it.
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
And if the racism case is true, who are we blaming for that?
Quote from: hardstation on December 02, 2012, 11:16:05 PM
We wrecked the Shanghai Express in Andytown the day big Tohill saved the point.
Was thinking Fr Ted maybe.
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
And if the racism case is true, who are we blaming for that?
if its true, probably is, Im sure Cunningham didnt make it up, its the fault of the players who done it, no excuses. wrong plain and simple, my point is the anything goes sledging, verbal abuse started with tyrone and more specfically ricey.
In 1988 I was called a lowland sheep-shagging munchie by a Cookstown midfielder. Was he like Moses?
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:24:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2012, 11:12:10 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
And if the racism case is true, who are we blaming for that?
if its true, probably is, Im sure Cunningham didnt make it up, its the fault of the players who done it, no excuses. wrong plain and simple, my point is the anything goes sledging, verbal abuse started with tyrone and more specfically ricey.
This makes no sense grammatically or otherwise.
Just watched the game there again. Mickey Mac did strike out but it was an open hand and the no 10 was out of line in starting the row by running up to him and then going down like he was shot. As for the Jamie sending off that is laid directly at McQuillans cowardly door. Jamie reacted to a full hour of abuse without any protection. Both 11 and 6 slid in on him with their knees after he was fouled. The treatment he received was nothing short of scandalous. The general approach of Kilcoo was dreadful, nevermind the allegations, we have been accused of cynicism but what I watched today goes well beyond anything we habe ever been at. The greatest indictment, though, in terms of their play is the simple fact that only 1 starting forward scored a point from play and that wasn't until the 60th minute of the game. They survived on frees, some of which were extremely dubious.
Anyway, simple fact is that our club has now reached double figures and have time to work on ironing out the problems for St Brigids.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
Just watched the game there again. Mickey Mac did strike out but it was an open hand and the no 10 was out of line in starting the row by running up to him and then going down like he was shot. As for the Jamie sending off that is laid directly at McQuillans cowardly door. Jamie reacted to a full hour of abuse without any protection. Both 11 and 6 slid in on him with their knees after he was fouled. The treatment he received was nothing short of scandalous. The general approach of Kilcoo was dreadful, nevermind the allegations, we have been accused of cynicism but what I watched today goes well beyond anything we habe ever been at. The greatest indictment, though, in terms of their play is the simple fact that only 1 starting forward scored a point from play and that wasn't until the 60th minute of the game. They survived on frees, some of which were extremely dubious.
Anyway, simple fact is that our club has now reached double figures and have time to work on ironing out the problems for St Brigids.
Are there highlights bcb or did you record it??
Quote from: charlieTully on December 02, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 02, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
To say that 'off the ball' shite is something that started with Tyrone is absolutely insane regurgitated Free State media shite, and people posting in an Ulster thread should know better than that. The same goes with individual abuse of players because if you haven't witnessed unacceptable abuse at a game from a player or spectator then you're either hard of hearing or hard of remembering.
It's funny how people can laugh at and even mythologise incidents like Páidí Ó Sé striking Dinny Allen and getting a yellow card back in the day, but a general amnesia seems to take place when they see a modern equivalent. That's not to mention the countless things that were either not replayed by the media in those times (less cameras), or even happened before much of the Championship was televised. Blaming one country, or even worse, one player, is plain sour grapes.
bollocks, the end result of the ricey and crew era is the shit that happended today.
No harm charlie, but either you swallow every piece of horse shit the free state media spouts, or you think football only began in 2003 ::)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2012, 11:42:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
Just watched the game there again. Mickey Mac did strike out but it was an open hand and the no 10 was out of line in starting the row by running up to him and then going down like he was shot. As for the Jamie sending off that is laid directly at McQuillans cowardly door. Jamie reacted to a full hour of abuse without any protection. Both 11 and 6 slid in on him with their knees after he was fouled. The treatment he received was nothing short of scandalous. The general approach of Kilcoo was dreadful, nevermind the allegations, we have been accused of cynicism but what I watched today goes well beyond anything we habe ever been at. The greatest indictment, though, in terms of their play is the simple fact that only 1 starting forward scored a point from play and that wasn't until the 60th minute of the game. They survived on frees, some of which were extremely dubious.
Anyway, simple fact is that our club has now reached double figures and have time to work on ironing out the problems for St Brigids.
Are there highlights bcb or did you record it??
Sky plussed her, will have another few viewings during the week.
From the Irish Times site.
GAA: The Ulster Council of the GAA has confirmed it will investigate claims that Crossmaglen's Aaron Cunningham was the subject of racist abuse during today's Ulster club football final against Kilcoo. Crossmaglen won the game at the Athletic Grounds with Cunningham alleging afterwards that two Kilcoo players had verbally abused him on separate occasions during the game.
Cunningham, whose father Joey was one of the first black inter-county players, claims he was called a "nigger" and a "Paki" during the match. Reacting to the reports, the Ulster Council said "the GAA is an anti-racist organisation by rule and will not tolerate in the strongest and most emphatic terms racist abuse of any type."
Cunningham spoke to reporters after the match, saying he was disgusted when the abuse started with Crossmaglen well on top after 15 or 20 minutes. "You go out to play football in a good sporting manner, hard-hitting and that, but when race comes into it, I think it's disgusting to be honest," he explained. "I don't want to let it overshadow what has been a good game and a 10th title for us, three-in-a-row and number five for myself. But I feel it has to be said, because what was said has no place on a football pitch."
Cunningham added: "There is no place for it whatsoever. You have the likes of my father, he played football as well. I think he was the first black player to play in Croke Park. Jason Sherlock came through it. I'm sure you could talk to a handful of boys and they've all had some sort of racist abuse. And as I say, it happened out there today and it's absolutely disgusting."
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Shows you the mentality of these 2 morons from Kilcoo. 2 year ban if guilty. Minimum!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2012, 11:54:14 PM
From the Irish Times site.
GAA: The Ulster Council of the GAA has confirmed it will investigate claims that Crossmaglen's Aaron Cunningham was the subject of racist abuse during today's Ulster club football final against Kilcoo. Crossmaglen won the game at the Athletic Grounds with Cunningham alleging afterwards that two Kilcoo players had verbally abused him on separate occasions during the game.
Cunningham, whose father Joey was one of the first black inter-county players, claims he was called a "nigger" and a "Paki" during the match. Reacting to the reports, the Ulster Council said "the GAA is an anti-racist organisation by rule and will not tolerate in the strongest and most emphatic terms racist abuse of any type."
Cunningham spoke to reporters after the match, saying he was disgusted when the abuse started with Crossmaglen well on top after 15 or 20 minutes. "You go out to play football in a good sporting manner, hard-hitting and that, but when race comes into it, I think it's disgusting to be honest," he explained. "I don't want to let it overshadow what has been a good game and a 10th title for us, three-in-a-row and number five for myself. But I feel it has to be said, because what was said has no place on a football pitch."
Cunningham added: "There is no place for it whatsoever. You have the likes of my father, he played football as well. I think he was the first black player to play in Croke Park. Jason Sherlock came through it. I'm sure you could talk to a handful of boys and they've all had some sort of racist abuse. And as I say, it happened out there today and it's absolutely disgusting."
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Shows you the mentality of these 2 morons from Kilcoo. 2 year ban if guilty. Minimum!!
What's his ould lads first name?
Quote from: trileacman on December 03, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2012, 11:54:14 PM
From the Irish Times site.
GAA: The Ulster Council of the GAA has confirmed it will investigate claims that Crossmaglen's Aaron Cunningham was the subject of racist abuse during today's Ulster club football final against Kilcoo. Crossmaglen won the game at the Athletic Grounds with Cunningham alleging afterwards that two Kilcoo players had verbally abused him on separate occasions during the game.
Cunningham, whose father Joey was one of the first black inter-county players, claims he was called a "nigger" and a "Paki" during the match. Reacting to the reports, the Ulster Council said "the GAA is an anti-racist organisation by rule and will not tolerate in the strongest and most emphatic terms racist abuse of any type."
Cunningham spoke to reporters after the match, saying he was disgusted when the abuse started with Crossmaglen well on top after 15 or 20 minutes. "You go out to play football in a good sporting manner, hard-hitting and that, but when race comes into it, I think it's disgusting to be honest," he explained. "I don't want to let it overshadow what has been a good game and a 10th title for us, three-in-a-row and number five for myself. But I feel it has to be said, because what was said has no place on a football pitch."
Cunningham added: "There is no place for it whatsoever. You have the likes of my father, he played football as well. I think he was the first black player to play in Croke Park. Jason Sherlock came through it. I'm sure you could talk to a handful of boys and they've all had some sort of racist abuse. And as I say, it happened out there today and it's absolutely disgusting."
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Shows you the mentality of these 2 morons from Kilcoo. 2 year ban if guilty. Minimum!!
What's his ould lads first name?
I assume Joey!
Its like this lads kilcool knew that to have any chance they would have to go were no team went before, And by Jesus they went there. Discusting stuff,
Soon they'll be known as Kilkoo Klux Klan GAC!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 03, 2012, 12:09:09 AM
Quote from: trileacman on December 03, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2012, 11:54:14 PM
From the Irish Times site.
GAA: The Ulster Council of the GAA has confirmed it will investigate claims that Crossmaglen's Aaron Cunningham was the subject of racist abuse during today's Ulster club football final against Kilcoo. Crossmaglen won the game at the Athletic Grounds with Cunningham alleging afterwards that two Kilcoo players had verbally abused him on separate occasions during the game.
Cunningham, whose father Joey was one of the first black inter-county players, claims he was called a "nigger" and a "Paki" during the match. Reacting to the reports, the Ulster Council said "the GAA is an anti-racist organisation by rule and will not tolerate in the strongest and most emphatic terms racist abuse of any type."
Cunningham spoke to reporters after the match, saying he was disgusted when the abuse started with Crossmaglen well on top after 15 or 20 minutes. "You go out to play football in a good sporting manner, hard-hitting and that, but when race comes into it, I think it's disgusting to be honest," he explained. "I don't want to let it overshadow what has been a good game and a 10th title for us, three-in-a-row and number five for myself. But I feel it has to be said, because what was said has no place on a football pitch."
Cunningham added: "There is no place for it whatsoever. You have the likes of my father, he played football as well. I think he was the first black player to play in Croke Park. Jason Sherlock came through it. I'm sure you could talk to a handful of boys and they've all had some sort of racist abuse. And as I say, it happened out there today and it's absolutely disgusting."
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Shows you the mentality of these 2 morons from Kilcoo. 2 year ban if guilty. Minimum!!
What's his ould lads first name?
I assume Joey!
Ah that's a partitionist, free state, anti Tyrone paper, its only full of lies. ;)
The Munster Council could pull up Castlehaven for their behaviour in today's Munster club final, which was pretty disgraceful.
Horrendous team Castlehaven, the lack of many real challenges in Munster could hurt Crokes down the line.
Starting early this year lads.
The old 'Free State Media' (FSM) stuff doesn't usually get going until the semi-final stage.
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
The Munster Council could pull up Castlehaven for their behaviour in today's Munster club final, which was pretty disgraceful.
Horrendous team Castlehaven, the lack of many real challenges in Munster could hurt Crokes down the line.
What went on ?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 03, 2012, 12:09:09 AM
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Why only two months? Surely about six months would be more appropriate.
Does the GAA have anything in the rule book about racism? If they don't they should.
Quote from: dundrumite on December 03, 2012, 12:22:28 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
The Munster Council could pull up Castlehaven for their behaviour in today's Munster club final, which was pretty disgraceful.
Horrendous team Castlehaven, the lack of many real challenges in Munster could hurt Crokes down the line.
What went on ?
If the referee was doing his job about 4 or 5 Castlehaven players should have been sent off. Late tackles every thirty seconds, off the ball belting, kneeing or kicking guys on the ground.
They were pathetic in every respect.
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 03, 2012, 12:09:09 AM
Earlier this year, two footballers from the Duffry Rovers club in Wexford were suspended for two months each after being found guilty of racially abusing Wexford underage dual player Lee Chin.
Why only two months? Surely about six months would be more appropriate.
Does the GAA have anything in the rule book about racism? If they don't they should.
6 months?? 2 years at least!!
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
There's some of the most foul shite imaginable talked in the English Premiership in the soccer, but they still come down heavily on racism.
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
Big statement there.
Quote from: ONeill on December 03, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
Big statement there.
Controversial to say the least. Which player??
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
No harm to you fella but that post does neither yourself or your club any credit.
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Kilcoo have been like this for years. They are an embarrassment for down football and they should be banned as a club from football
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
You sir are a bollix and seem to be the poster child for what ails Kilcoo, Down is a great footballing county and Burren are still one of the best clubs sides ever.
Burren, like Cross were hard as nails, they asked no quarter and gave none, Kilcoo are a bunch of animals based on what we have seen in the Ulster so far and today was a disgrace to both club and county.
Now name and shame the Cross player who racially abused one of your players you lying git!!!
Interesting that on the same day when, in my view, Castlehaven were an absolute disgrace to Cork football and all it stands for, that your clear implication is that Kilcoo performed the exact same role in disgracing Down football.
Haven't seen the Cross Kilcoo match yet.
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
Just watched the game there again. Mickey Mac did strike out but it was an open hand and the no 10 was out of line in starting the row by running up to him and then going down like he was shot. As for the Jamie sending off that is laid directly at McQuillans cowardly door. Jamie reacted to a full hour of abuse without any protection. Both 11 and 6 slid in on him with their knees after he was fouled. The treatment he received was nothing short of scandalous. The general approach of Kilcoo was dreadful, nevermind the allegations, we have been accused of cynicism but what I watched today goes well beyond anything we habe ever been at. The greatest indictment, though, in terms of their play is the simple fact that only 1 starting forward scored a point from play and that wasn't until the 60th minute of the game. They survived on frees, some of which were extremely dubious.
Anyway, simple fact is that our club has now reached double figures and have time to work on ironing out the problems for St Brigids.
In fairness BCB when you watch it back you will find JC very lucky not to have seen red before that for a a clear punch on the corner back, ignored by the umpire and the linesman. Im not saying that he felled the guy or anything but he did punch and connect and on another day would have been walking for that alone.
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
No one ran to the BBC - it was apparent from the actions of 2 of your players and the response from cunningam and another CRoss man - Arran Kernan, i think, that what was being said, was a little more than shite talk, as you put it.
And not only that, but a section of Kilcoo fans in the stand were firing all sorts of racist abuse - an off duty BBC commentator happened to be sitting in the middle of them, with his children and decided to move.
At the end of the game i was on the pitch, when one of your fans had to be restrained by stewards, after allegedly pushing a young girl.
That sort of shite may go on all the time at Kilcoo games, but it has no place in GAA or society. After 100s of years of being subjected to bigotry in every corner of the globe, you'd think us Irish would know better.
I went to the game yesterday as a neutral - and if Im honest, im f**king thrilled that Kilcoo lost, and will remember the first half most when they embarrassed you more than you were able to embarrass the GAA
Quote from: NAG1 on December 03, 2012, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
Just watched the game there again. Mickey Mac did strike out but it was an open hand and the no 10 was out of line in starting the row by running up to him and then going down like he was shot. As for the Jamie sending off that is laid directly at McQuillans cowardly door. Jamie reacted to a full hour of abuse without any protection. Both 11 and 6 slid in on him with their knees after he was fouled. The treatment he received was nothing short of scandalous. The general approach of Kilcoo was dreadful, nevermind the allegations, we have been accused of cynicism but what I watched today goes well beyond anything we habe ever been at. The greatest indictment, though, in terms of their play is the simple fact that only 1 starting forward scored a point from play and that wasn't until the 60th minute of the game. They survived on frees, some of which were extremely dubious.
Anyway, simple fact is that our club has now reached double figures and have time to work on ironing out the problems for St Brigids.
In fairness BCB when you watch it back you will find JC very lucky not to have seen red before that for a a clear punch on the corner back, ignored by the umpire and the linesman. Im not saying that he felled the guy or anything but he did punch and connect and on another day would have been walking for that alone.
He did clip him on the nose but there was very little power in it and your man went down like he was shot. Technically was a strike and a sending off, in his defence though, I was directly in line with it and watched it develop instead of following the play and the abuse he took in the few minutes prior to that, off the ball, was justification for the slap.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
Need to pull you on that one Indiana. I was a school boy playing Corn na nOg football when I was told by a hallion from Cavan in Cootehill to 'f**k away off back to the Black North ye British bastard' and he was a school teacher. That was over 20 years ago. I also took dogs abuse from a crowd of 'supporters' from Portlaoise in 2005. I played in Cork for a few years and a gurrier from Castlehaven made similar comments to me, but sure it was all part of the game I suppose and I just had to man up!
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
Agreed but I think it's very difficult to police. Descends into farcical kind of arguments about the tone of the comment, as was seen in the Suarez case where he was arguing that the word negrito was a term of affection in South America. Real nit picking stuff. But this Aaron Cunningham case seems quite black and white. Ha!
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Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
How is this the case?
wasnt long ago cross were playin the london winners and 1 of the cross 'members' on the line wer giving plenty of verbals to the london players about wer we resided and how we accepted the queens money etc etc.
Thes things go on all the time - not defendin it
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Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
Cheap and ignorant comment INDIANA.
Quote from: Mont on December 03, 2012, 09:00:39 AM
wasnt long ago cross were playin the london winners and 1 of the cross 'members' on the line wer giving plenty of verbals to the london players about wer we resided and how we accepted the queens money etc etc.
Thes things go on all the time - not defendin it
i agree that things go on all the time - but that in itself is not justification. If you can imagine how many young kids were in the stand yesterday listening to that sort of 'shite talk' and acclimatising to it - thinking that its acceptable and normal?
I hope the GAA go f**king crazy at the players and the club...more so than the FA did with suarez and ferdinand - Im not proud at all about yesterday
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Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
How is this the case?
Graham Geraghty must be from North Meath??
Was Keith Barr not pretty good at this kind of thing too? I'm sure there were plenty before him too in those 70s dub teams who were far from angels.
Quote from: johnneycool on December 03, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
You can't tease us like that johnneycool!
I was unlucky to see the great burren team in action but I have travelled over ulster watching burren and mayobridge since the turn of the century. Both clubs are neighbours who woulda kill each on the field fairly but they always represented down with honour and tried to play football the down way. Kilcoo are a disgrace to to this famous county led by mccorry who knows this is going on
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Quote from: johnneycool on December 03, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
You can't tease us like that johnneycool!
This is old ground lads. No need to plough it up again is there ?.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is just something about that Jim Mc Corry fella that I cannot warm to. Comes across very arrogant in interviews. What club in Armagh is he from?? Are his teams famous for winning at any means as such!!
I must be getting old...I can't believe the number of posters who don't know who Joey Cunningham is!! Joey started with Forkhill and played a couple of years for Cross towards the end of his career.
As for the game, softish penalty at the start for Cross but from then until the end of the first half it was men against boys (how the feck did that Kilcoo team beat St Galls??). Cross will be looking at a lot of sloppy play in the second half that allowed Kilcoo back into a game that should have been buried. Cross must have kicked more ball away in that game than in the previous five years put together. Hard to argue with the red card and two yellows for Clarke was probably about right, though the Kilcoo no 11 was lucky not to get a red for the two kneed dive into Clarke's back. Also the Kilcoo no 2 did a bit of play acting, the end result of which was him giving the ball away for the 3rd goal.
As for the alleged racism, I don't think there's much the GAA can do about abuse from individual spectators but after a thorough investigation the players should be named and shamed and should received a heavy punishment.
I've been telling anyone who'll listen for years that Down are very much the self-styled "aristocrats" of football. Actually the aristocratic class were riven with racist attitudes so maybe the cap does fit after all. ;)
Castlehaven and Kilcoo could play some kind of Losers round where the loser could be kicked out of club football for good. Castlehaven were an absolute disgrace in Cork yesterday
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Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
How is this the case?
Graham Geraghty must be from North Meath??
Brilliant post Indiana!!! I played in Dublin for 2 years and got nothing but "British bastard" "Nordie p***k" etc. etc.
We won't even go into the trampish behaviour of Paul Casey!
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Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
How is this the case?
Graham Geraghty must be from North Meath??
Brilliant post Indiana!!! I played in Dublin for 2 years and got nothing but "British b**tard" "Nordie p***k" etc. etc.
We won't even go into the trampish behaviour of Paul Casey!
Ah now Screen we all now that verbals originates back to the Lavey sides of the early 90s ;)
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
Castlehaven and Kilcoo could play some kind of Losers round where the loser could be kicked out of club football for good. Castlehaven were an absolute disgrace in Cork yesterday
We shouldn't overlook the fact that Crokes looked pretty impressive yesterday. They'll also get an extra game against Tir Chonaill Gaels (not Tir Na nOg as the Crokes player thought). I think they'll go close this year.
If this allegation is proved then the 2 individuals have let themselves, their club and the parish down. The build up to the final which should have been Kilcoo's big day was great to see round the parish and the amount of work done by good honest gaels has been overshadowed. It has given an opportunity for Kilcoo beating from certain quarters, the club have released a statement pretty quickly and outright condemned this chat and have said it will be investigated and I hope it is. It is a small rural club and fir it to have reached an ulster final is to be commended and it is a gre at pity that these 2 individuals have insured it will be remembered for the wrong reasons!
From this trend I feel it is very one sided, there was a lot of off the ball crap going on from BOTH teams and is not good to see, however Cross did finish with 13 and deservedly so, and there was also verbals from cross players after the 3 rd goal, granted not racial.
I hope the 2 players are dealt with swiftly and the hard work being done at club level is rewarded on the pitch.
I've just read the irish News report, is their a moratorium on commenting on the referee? McQuillan gave Jamie Clarke absolutely no protection yesterday. He had a number of frees given against him for allegedly trying to draw a foul. This is one of the very few times I've ever seen the defender get every decision. Mean while at the other end a couple of similar incidents where from his position McQullian could not have missed the Kilcoo forward holding the defenders arm. Sledging of any sort has no place in sport period. I don't care if it's about how you look, where your from or what your mother's nocturnal habits are. It needs to be sorted. It's a bit unfair to blame Jim McCorry the guys on the pitch need to stand up and take responsibility for their own actions. It is all too common for linesmen and umpires to have selective hearing and vision. It is time that referees and linesmen for important intercounty games either at club or county team level are properly paid, trained and held to account.
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Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
How is this the case?
Graham Geraghty must be from North Meath??
Brilliant post Indiana!!! I played in Dublin for 2 years and got nothing but "British b**tard" "Nordie p***k" etc. etc.
We won't even go into the trampish behaviour of Paul Casey!
Ah now Screen we all now that verbals originates back to the Lavey sides of the early 90s ;)
That's what i was thinking lad. Some players on that Lavey team would have come out with anything, looking back at it they where that bad a bunch of hueres its nearly funny.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
Castlehaven and Kilcoo could play some kind of Losers round where the loser could be kicked out of club football for good. Castlehaven were an absolute disgrace in Cork yesterday
We shouldn't overlook the fact that Crokes looked pretty impressive yesterday. They'll also get an extra game against Tir Chonaill Gaels (not Tir Na nOg as the Crokes player thought). I think they'll go close this year.
True, but Castlehaven were the level of a poor intermediate team in Kerry.
Well done to Crossmaglen, what an incredible team.
Feel a bit sorry for Kilcoo. Biggest day in the clubs history and this is what it will be remembered for. I am in no way condoning the racial abuse of Aaron Cunningham and the guilty players should be severely punished ( not a 2 month ban ) but it seems to me alot people are delighted to get a dig at the Kilcoo club especially some of there fellow county men.
AI club semi finalists - some consistency by those 3 teams !
2010–11 Kilmacud Crokes (Dublin) Nemo Rangers (Cork) Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) St. Brigid's (Roscommon)
2011–12 Garrycastle (Westmeath) Dr. Crokes (Kerry) Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) St. Brigid's (Roscommon)
2012–13 ????? Dr. Crokes (Kerry) Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) St. Brigid's (Roscommon
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 09:23:58 AM
I must be getting old...I can't believe the number of posters who don't know who Joey Cunningham is!! Joey started with Forkhill and played a couple of years for Cross towards the end of his career.
As for the game, softish penalty at the start for Cross but from then until the end of the first half it was men against boys (how the feck did that Kilcoo team beat St Galls??). Cross will be looking at a lot of sloppy play in the second half that allowed Kilcoo back into a game that should have been buried. Cross must have kicked more ball away in that game than in the previous five years put together. Hard to argue with the red card and two yellows for Clarke was probably about right, though the Kilcoo no 11 was lucky not to get a red for the two kneed dive into Clarke's back. Also the Kilcoo no 2 did a bit of play acting, the end result of which was him giving the ball away for the 3rd goal.
As for the alleged racism, I don't think there's much the GAA can do about abuse from individual spectators but after a thorough investigation the players should be named and shamed and should received a heavy punishment.
I've been telling anyone who'll listen for years that Down are very much the self-styled "aristocrats" of football. Actually the aristocratic class were riven with racist attitudes so maybe the cap does fit after all. ;)
Just googled him. Absolute double of aaron. Didn't get to see much of the cross game but i'm looking forward to the highlights tonight. I'm sure the last minute goal helped a few lads on the handicap betting. Maybe the kilcoo corner back had a bit on -4 or -5 himself. ;-)
Kilcoo got what they deserved. I actually felt disgusted yesterday at the constant late hits and tackles Jamie Clarke was getting. I hate the way that if someone is battered for an hour he is expected to simply take it, if he lashes out in the slightest he ends up being punished moreso that someone who was playing dirty for a whole game - disgrace.
Kilcoo were well beat at the end of the day, losing by 6 points in a day like that is a big loss. People seem to forget what a foul is, it seems to be the case now that a player has to intentionally commit a crime on the pitch to give the opposition a free/penalty. Ther Crossmaglen penalty was a definite, the Crossmaglen man was through on goal and was tripped. Whether it was an accident or intentional, he was still tripped and was fouled.
The only reason Dr Crokes or any team will beat Crossmaglen this year is due to the players that Crossmaglen are likely to be missing with Finnegan and Hanratty from last years panel missing as well as probably missing Kernan too.
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2012, 10:15:13 AM
Kilcoo got what they deserved. I actually felt disgusted yesterday at the constant late hits and tackles Jamie Clarke was getting. I hate the way that if someone is battered for an hour he is expected to simply take it, if he lashes out in the slightest he ends up being punished moreso that someone who was playing dirty for a whole game - disgrace.
Kilcoo were well beat at the end of the day, losing by 6 points in a day like that is a big loss. People seem to forget what a foul is, it seems to be the case now that a player has to intentionally commit a crime on the pitch to give the opposition a free/penalty. Ther Crossmaglen penalty was a definite, the Crossmaglen man was through on goal and was tripped. Whether it was an accident or intentional, he was still tripped and was fouled.
The only reason Dr Crokes or any team will beat Crossmaglen this year is due to the players that Crossmaglen are likely to be missing with Finnegan and Hanratty from last years panel missing as well as probably missing Kernan too.
I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty but the lad was off balance and was going down or losing possession before the clash of legs
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
It seems to be exactly what you've done though.
Portraying it as ignorance doesn't wash any more. That's the easy way of explaining it. Ireland is a multi-cultural society, it's not like even 20 years ago when a black man was something you'd only see in Dublin, and even then it would be a rarity.
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Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
It seems to be exactly what you've done though.
Portraying it as ignorance doesn't wash any more. That's the easy way of explaining it. Ireland is a multi-cultural society, it's not like even 20 years ago when a black man was something you'd only see in Dublin, and even then it would be a rarity.
This is classic McCarthyism. You can't solve a problem if you can't discuss it without being accused as the problem.
never have i seen so much missd or a blindeye turned to. clarkes jersey was pulled every time he made a run and when he was on the ball yet the ref never 'saw' it and the linemen likewise. what r they there for?
the umpires also have difficulty seeing. clarke cud hav had a straight red for raising his hands, doesnt matter about the contact or the provocation he should have walked. Cross no 8 (Hanratty?) threw an elbow and connected right in front of the 2 umpires - nothing happend.
Cros sub (ocallaghan i think) threw a masive punch when there was a melee in front of us yet clarke was booked?
continual fouling from Kilcoo went unpunished with no ticks etc being dished out which may have made them think 2wice about it.
no 6 (brannigan?) in particulr was lucky to stay on field
ref, umpires and linesmen were fooking useless and shud be embarased with their performnce.
once kilcoo took it to cross they seemed to shite themselves ans were rattled all over the park
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
Bit of a sweeping statement there. Even if you have something against 'soccer' it is ridiculous to suggest an organisations' motto or stance on a subject like this should be that we are better than others, especially something that has such a huge following around the world as soccer. Bigger organisation so obviously going to have bigger/more idiots, but in noway should you tarnish a whole sport and those who follow it by saying we are much better people than them.
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
Crossmaglen players were racially abusing one of our defenders after we scored our goal but we didn't feel the need to run to the BBC to complain, its a big boys game.
We got off to the worst start you could imagine today but clawed our way back into it. When we scored our goal Cross got used all their exprerience to distrupt our game by lying down or starting wrestling moves all over the field and i felt today Kilcoo held their own in this department.
I also felt the ref had a bad day at the office and gifted Cross the penalty at the start as well as some dubious free kicks.
When all is said and done over the 60 minutes Cross deserved the win and fair play to them. They're a fantastic team when they play football and it'd be hard to see anyone stop them.
An embarrassing post for both yourself, your club and the rest of us down folk. Glad to see kilcoo beaten due to their cynical nature and awful football. Horrible team to play and watch.
Kilcoo really blew it yesterday. let's be honest, only 3 points down with a two man advantage and around ten minutes of football to play, they should never have lost. It is blatantly obvious that if you get a two man advantage you immediately go wide. Stretch your players across the pitch leaving gaping holes to run through. Kilcoo would have been the ones to win at a canter. What you don't do is bunch everyone into the middle and cause a scrummage where a man advantage means nothing.
I can't believe the naivety in the Kilcoo players not to stretch the game. But even that is eclipsed by leaving an attacking player totally unmarked in your half all by himself and then attempting a pass across the face of several opposition players. That goal was breathtakingly suicidal.
Cross are better and on the balance of the game deserved to win, but Kilcoo SHOULD have won because of the position they found themselves in.
However the only reason Kilcoo ended up in that position was because of shocking refereeing. McQuillen is a disgrace. I am constantly astonished at his inclusion as a "top" referee. I have never been to a match where he referees that the boards aren't full of criticism afterwards. He just does what he wants with complete disregard to applying the actual rules, applies them when he wants and just ignores others that don't suit him. McQuillen never had control of this game and allowed it to disintegrate into a brawl. The Cross players deserved to be sent off, but so did a few more and a few also from Kilcoo. It is not wrong that two Cross players were lined, it is wrong that they were the only players lined. And it is wrong that McQuillen didn't act to control the game when players were getting away with some horrendous challenges FROM BOTH SIDES!
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Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
It seems to be exactly what you've done though.
Portraying it as ignorance doesn't wash any more. That's the easy way of explaining it. Ireland is a multi-cultural society, it's not like even 20 years ago when a black man was something you'd only see in Dublin, and even then it would be a rarity.
This is classic McCarthyism. You can't solve a problem if you can't discuss it without being accused as the problem.
To be fair, whether born from inbred culchieism or ignorance it makes no odds. There is no place in the game for insults of any nature and your post is perhaps unintentionally excusing such behaviour.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 03, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
It seems to be exactly what you've done though.
Portraying it as ignorance doesn't wash any more. That's the easy way of explaining it. Ireland is a multi-cultural society, it's not like even 20 years ago when a black man was something you'd only see in Dublin, and even then it would be a rarity.
This is classic McCarthyism. You can't solve a problem if you can't discuss it without being accused as the problem.
I didn't call you a racist. I said you did exactly what you said you wished not to do i.e. "undermine racism".
By the way, I hadn't seen your ridiculous idea that declaring ourselves as "not soccer" will solve things. FFS, if that's the best you can do...
And it doesn't stand up any more either - violence on the pitch and in the stands, racist abuse of players, incompetent officials, people refusing to acknowledge the serious problems in their sport. That's not soccer I'm talking about.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 03, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 03, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
So disheartening turning on the TV last night and radio this morning.
Not disheartening in that there's "racism" in our games, but that so much has been made out of so little.
Aaron Cunningham comes across as a bright and well-spoken lad, and I do not write this lightly, nor do I wish to undermine racism.
But the average Kilcoo inbred doesn't do racism, they just mouth off at everyone and anyone. They use whatever comes to mind to deliver insults and "get one over", rather than use their minds. It's horrible behaviour, but it's born from ignorance and not racism - and certainly not from some premeditated racist angle.
By the way, Kilcoo is one of a thousand GAA clubs with a handful or more of inbred supporters/players. You can pretty much guarantee that some of those involved are also some of the hardest working people in the club and nobody will want to see them go. It's a conundrum for our sport. But I'll reiterate, this isn't racism and "educating" people about racism isn't going to help one iota. Encouraging a GAA-wide policy as simple as "We are not soccer. We are much better people than that. We will not lower ourselves. Think before you speak" would be much more beneficial.
Well done to XMG, such a fantastic team. Words can't do them justice.
It seems to be exactly what you've done though.
Portraying it as ignorance doesn't wash any more. That's the easy way of explaining it. Ireland is a multi-cultural society, it's not like even 20 years ago when a black man was something you'd only see in Dublin, and even then it would be a rarity.
This is classic McCarthyism. You can't solve a problem if you can't discuss it without being accused as the problem.
I didn't call you a racist. I said you did exactly what you said you wished not to do i.e. "undermine racism".
By the way, I hadn't seen your ridiculous idea that declaring ourselves as "not soccer" will solve things. FFS, if that's the best you can do...
And it doesn't stand up any more either - violence on the pitch and in the stands, racist abuse of players, incompetent officials, people refusing to acknowledge the serious problems in their sport. That's not soccer I'm talking about.
What I'm pointing out Tubberman is that everyone going off on one about racism when it's such a trivial issue in our games, is insane.
There is some fundamentally mucked up thinking in GAA circles about what is acceptable both on and off the pitch. This racism incident is part of that bigger picture, and not a picture all by itself. Same as when clubs circle the wagons around obvious GBH offences by their players. Same as when referees are assaulted. Same as when clubs will pay £20k for a person to pick to their team. The "keep it under wraps" and "they're doing it too" mentality are scourges on the Games.
What I believe the GAA needs to do is not get embroiled in sorting out individual incidents, but look at the ethos behind the Games, why we play them, why we watch them, and what we aspire to get out of them.
I used soccer as my example of what we should not be simply, simply because once things become acceptable in soccer, they also creep into our games. We should be bigger and better than that. It's a philosophy thing, and ours has gotten lost.
Mark Sidebottom has just confirmed that he and his kids witnessed and heard Aaron Cunningham being racially abused by individual(s) from Kilcoo.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:43:35 PM
Mark Sidebottom has just confirmed that he and his kids witnessed and heard Aaron Cunningham being racially abused by individual(s) from Kilcoo.
Link to this?? Or was it on twitter??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 03, 2012, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 12:43:35 PM
Mark Sidebottom has just confirmed that he and his kids witnessed and heard Aaron Cunningham being racially abused by individual(s) from Kilcoo.
Link to this?? Or was it on twitter??
i heard him say it yesterday evening after the game - got up and moved his kids to another part of the stand
Edit: Sidearse was just on Talkback.
I heard a bit of this discussion on the radio. Joey and Aaron Cunningham came across well. I did have to smile when Wendy Austin said "Joey, you played both Gaelic and umm...ordinary football". She also referred to "Justin Sherlock".
On the main issue, unfortunately every club probably has its meat head supporters and in this case players. If I were in the Kilcoo club or were one of the players I would front up, admit what happened, say it was in the heat of battle in a tense fractious game etc, a one-off, I'm not a racist, I'm ashamed and I apologise to Aaron Cunningham, then take whatever punishment is meted out without appeal. Letting it drift until offical investigations take place and hope it goes away can only make it worse in my opinion.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
Edit: Sidearse was just on Talkback.
I heard a bit of this discussion on the radio. Joey and Aaron Cunningham came across well. I did have to smile when Wendy Austin said "Joey, you played both Gaelic and umm...ordinary football". She also referred to "Justin Sherlock".
On the main issue, unfortunately every club probably has its meat head supporters and in this case players. If I were in the Kilcoo club or were one of the players I would front up, admit what happened, say it was in the heat of battle in a tense fractious game etc, a one-off, I'm not a racist, I'm ashamed and I apologise to Aaron Cunningham, then take whatever punishment is meted out without appeal. Letting it drift until official investigations take place and hope it goes away can only make it worse in my opinion.
Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
Edit: Sidearse was just on Talkback.
I heard a bit of this discussion on the radio. Joey and Aaron Cunningham came across well. I did have to smile when Wendy Austin said "Joey, you played both Gaelic and umm...ordinary football". She also referred to "Justin Sherlock".
On the main issue, unfortunately every club probably has its meat head supporters and in this case players. If I were in the Kilcoo club or were one of the players I would front up, admit what happened, say it was in the heat of battle in a tense fractious game etc, a one-off, I'm not a racist, I'm ashamed and I apologise to Aaron Cunningham, then take whatever punishment is meted out without appeal. Letting it drift until official investigations take place and hope it goes away can only make it worse in my opinion.
Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research.
Really, Mark??
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
Edit: Sidearse was just on Talkback.
I heard a bit of this discussion on the radio. Joey and Aaron Cunningham came across well. I did have to smile when Wendy Austin said "Joey, you played both Gaelic and umm...ordinary football". She also referred to "Justin Sherlock".
On the main issue, unfortunately every club probably has its meat head supporters and in this case players. If I were in the Kilcoo club or were one of the players I would front up, admit what happened, say it was in the heat of battle in a tense fractious game etc, a one-off, I'm not a racist, I'm ashamed and I apologise to Aaron Cunningham, then take whatever punishment is meted out without appeal. Letting it drift until official investigations take place and hope it goes away can only make it worse in my opinion.
Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research.
Really, Mark??
How to turn it round and make it all about me eh Mark!
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
Edit: Sidearse was just on Talkback.
I heard a bit of this discussion on the radio. Joey and Aaron Cunningham came across well. I did have to smile when Wendy Austin said "Joey, you played both Gaelic and umm...ordinary football". She also referred to "Justin Sherlock".
On the main issue, unfortunately every club probably has its meat head supporters and in this case players. If I were in the Kilcoo club or were one of the players I would front up, admit what happened, say it was in the heat of battle in a tense fractious game etc, a one-off, I'm not a racist, I'm ashamed and I apologise to Aaron Cunningham, then take whatever punishment is meted out without appeal. Letting it drift until official investigations take place and hope it goes away can only make it worse in my opinion.
Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research.
Really, Mark??
In fairness to Sidear$e I never realised that Aaron was Joeys son until earlier this year when I was discussing the AICF with a couple of Armagh lads. Aaron is a lot more light skinned than Joey (barely a Donegal dubh) Is Cunningham that unusual name in South Armagh that the connection would be made straight away.
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
Quote from: stibhan on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
Certainly some Down people have taken this as an opportunity to lace the boot into Kilcoo so to speak, which reflects poorly on themselves more than anything else. It wouldn't matter what club it is, it happened and it needs to be punished swiftly. Kilcoo seemingly are willing to cooperate if that statement is anything to go by.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
Sidebottom is stupid; many, many people would know Joey Cunningham and the connection wouldn't be that hard to make saying he also played for Cross. Think he also played for Portadown, Gaelic Life did an article on him not so long ago!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20577083 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20577083)
Interesting quote -
He said he received racial abuse every week in the Irish League, but was shocked his son had suffered it during a GAA match.
Quote from: stibhan on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
Agree - its fairly clear cut in terms of it being unacceptable. GAA have a good chance to put the foot down and say, this is not right - will be interesting to see how much wallpapering over the cracks is done here.
(as an aside...poor Mark Sidebottom - seems he cant do anything right even as a spectator!) and him not a bad lad at all!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 03, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
Certainly some Down people have taken this as an opportunity to lace the boot into Kilcoo so to speak, which reflects poorly on themselves more than anything else. It wouldn't matter what club it is, it happened and it needs to be punished swiftly. Kilcoo seemingly are willing to cooperate if that statement is anything to go by.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
Sidebottom is stupid; many, many people would know Joey Cunningham and the connection wouldn't be that hard to make saying he also played for Cross. Think he also played for Portadown, Gaelic Life did an article on him not so long ago!
Aye you're right. I remember he played for Newry Town but I think he played for a couple of Irish League clubs. Handy soccer player.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
True enough, though Aaron is not obviously a target for racist abuse if you did not know the connection.
The bar may not be set very high when it comes to what Mark would count as "Research". Buying the match program would probably count as research at the BBC as far as Gaelic games goes.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
Mark made the connection that because this was not known by him that somehow meant that is was premeditated. I would be pretty sure that any footballer or football fan form that part of the world would know the connection already and would in no way be coming to the game with the intention of abusing AC because of it.
Simply because of his lack of knowledge on the issue he makes it sound even worse than it was, as if the BBC UTV dont like GAA bashing enough already he hands them another branch of a stick to beat the organisation with.
I lived in england for a few years - one day i gave a met police officer a good reason to call me a 'paddy bastard'. Another time, getting on a train at waterloo , I also gave a Pakistani ticket collector no reason to call me a 'White bastard' - couldnt believe it! Was close to bating the dung out of him, but was laughing the hole off myself at the same time.
If the lads in the south call us 'nordie bastards' or 'brits' and we call them 'mexicans', is that all ok? Our friends on the 12th who get called occasionally 'Orange B's or Black Bs'...is it the same but different?
Racism is a very serious offense, but one that isn't so clear cut some times.
On reflection, i'd accept that people can say really spiteful things on the spare of the moment - sledging is common place in sport - its normally followed up with an apology or 'no hard feelings'.
I was very angry at the game yesterday - Im impartial, and initially wanted Kilcoo to give Cross a rattle. We all want it not to be a part of the game - on or off the field - but in truth, there maybe more of us guilty of it than we'd like to admit?
I dont know if the Kilcoo men have made an attempt at an apology. Not sure if the club has apologised for their fans yesterday - some of the stuff from the stand was awful. But I'd say that maybe a few of us should count ourselves lucky that our own team wasn't playing yesterday, and maybe the bigger question should be to the GAA and ask them what are they doing to encourage multi-culturalism or pluralism or whatever?.
After yesterday, and until the GAA impose sanction, fines or whatever, Id say that there will be a witch-hunt with Kilcoo, and that may be just as bad as what Arran and his family had to endure yesterday. I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Kilcoo - Im hoping that what happened yesterday isn't representative of EVERYONE at the club - but they'll be guilty by association, until either the club or association get their shit together
Racism is in our society, and thats it - worse in some places, but its there, and its more often than not, taught at home rather than at club matches across the country.
Quote from: stibhan on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
I think you'll find I described a small number of followers of Kilcoo (as with all teams) as having that title. Not all of them.
Not going to blather on about it, but it's not that the inbred minority were racist in their abuse that bothers me. It's that an inbred minority feels they're within their rights to personally abuse football players that bothers me. It's that as an organisation, we accept it will happen, that bothers me. It's nothing new, it's just got a racist twist this time.
I refereed at an under-12 tourney a few years back and the personal abuse I got from mothers on the sideline was eye-opening. Obviously I can put a whistle down at any time, whereas Aaron Cunningham cannot and should not deny his ancestry. So it's more sinister. But it's the same culture at play.
Wobbler you and I and the dogs on the street are aware of the reputation that club has in the county. There discipline is terrible on the field and their supporters are as bad. The hunt in gangs on the field and so do they off it. a crowd of hard men in a group but really a crowd of cowards. Certainly getting no sympathy from anyone I talked to today
I sort of agree with Wobbler on a few of the issues. Its worrying that we have a culture at play in the GAA which means that players feel they can say whatever they want on the field of play and it can be passed off as "the heat of battle" or "all part of the game and sure shake hands afterwards". The bigger problem is that these Kilcoo players thought that their comments to Aaron Cunningham where justified within the bigger picture of winning the game and that is very sad. These lads are probably (hopefully) feeling very ashamed of themselves this morning, but if they had won the game, then I would imagine they would have felt it was worth it.
It's wrong that we have generated a culture where the winning outweighs everything else. This culture is evident right through the GAA at underage level, so we can hardly be surprised when its taken to another level at senior. Unfortunately, on this occasion, it seems that winning was more important than the good name of the Kilcoo club and they will have the burden of a racist slur attached to the club for the forseeable future. I hope it was worth it lads.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
Was Sidebottom not simply trying to say that the Crossmaglen number 14 yesterday had obvious difference in skin colour than any other player on the pitch yesterday and that calling him a racist name meant that they knew who his father was and that was the basis of their name calling?
I don't imagine that the Kilcoo players are feeling ashamed this morning, its not as if they were under the influence and did something out of their character. They called a player a name in the cold light of day, they would probably do the same again next week if they knew they would get away with it.
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
There are some people who would stoop to anything. I would agree with points the wobbler makes. Racism is a hot potato and is unacceptable but it is because it is a topical hot potato that this is being given press here. As has been stated before on here several times there have been various altercations in matches where one player is mocking another player's dead relative.
The problem here is not racism. It is the breed of people who say as horrendous things as they can to offend people on a pitch with the objective of winding them up to win a game and deem it acceptable. This has been prevalent in the GAA for a long time and it does need to be stopped. It's not because it's racism it need to be stopped- it just needs to be stopped. Racism is not a new low - the low was reached long ago by some people. It is simply a different slant on that low.
Quote from: shawshank on December 03, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
We shouldn't and most players will react in some manner when such comments are said, I've no problems as a referee and heard abuse like that in sending someone off, I think there was a rule somewhere that you can use for that, was brought up at a referees meeting early in the year.
Some players just get on with it and wait their chance to get a good hard but fair tackle in on the abuser but this is not always the case.
In our game against Kilcoo they managed to hold our better players off the ball and drag them about, not uncommon and our lads should have worked around it, they didn't and paid the price. I stated before the game that they would struggle to score more than they did against us and that's what happened even against 13 men.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2012, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: stibhan on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
Cunningham spoke well and that but I don't think it's right to condone personal abuse about someone's partner or whatever either, and people seem to laugh off similar incidents with Donal Og as just a bit of banter. I don't think invoking or constructing a scale or an acceptable level of abuse is right.
It's also shocking to hear someone call any supporter or groups of supporters 'inbred' as if it's an understandable term to use for an entire group of people. And it is about racism, it is about sectarianism, it is about homophobia and it is about personal abuse. Regardless of whether it happens once in a blue moon or every Sunday it should be something that we discourage in the fiercest terms and means possible.
I think you'll find I described a small number of followers of Kilcoo (as with all teams) as having that title. Not all of them.
Not going to blather on about it, but it's not that the inbred minority were racist in their abuse that bothers me. It's that an inbred minority feels they're within their rights to personally abuse football players that bothers me. It's that as an organisation, we accept it will happen, that bothers me. It's nothing new, it's just got a racist twist this time.
I refereed at an under-12 tourney a few years back and the personal abuse I got from mothers on the sideline was eye-opening. Obviously I can put a whistle down at any time, whereas Aaron Cunningham cannot and should not deny his ancestry. So it's more sinister. But it's the same culture at play.
I still find 'inbred', whether pertaining to a minority or not, an unacceptable and racial term to use about anyone, and characteristic of a Punch Cartoon from Victorian England.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2012, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: shawshank on December 03, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
We shouldn't and most players will react in some manner when such comments are said, I've no problems as a referee and heard abuse like that in sending someone off, I think there was a rule somewhere that you can use for that, was brought up at a referees meeting early in the year.
Some players just get on with it and wait their chance to get a good hard but fair tackle in on the abuser but this is not always the case.
In our game against Kilcoo they managed to hold our better players off the ball and drag them about, not uncommon and our lads should have worked around it, they didn't and paid the price. I stated before the game that they would struggle to score more than they did against us and that's what happened even against 13 men.
Still cannot believe that ST Galls lost that game - still any team would have found it hard to deal with Cross in thsoe first 15 minutes...breathtaking to watch
Glad to see someone else had the sense to open a new thread for the controversial racist incidents which took place at yesterdays match....so....back to the football....
In the first half Crossmaglen played an absolutely rolls-royce brand of football. It had everything: Long accurate passing; Flawless first time handling in slippery conditions; Support play at pace in all areas of the pitch; Clinical finishing from long range/short range/tight angles and most importantly when presented with goal opportunities; Tenacious tackling all over the pitch. It was superb to witness them set about their work right from the first whistle.
In the second half there was the inevitability of a slight lull in Crossmaglen's tempo. Kilcoo, to their credit, once given a sniff dug in, started winning breaks around the middle, tried to make a dog-fight of the game and tagged on a few scores. Once they got to within 4 pts with cross reduced to 14 men, unsavoury incidents occuring all over, and the now partisan kilcoo crowd in full flow, it looked like perhaps kilcoo could possibly make Crossmaglen sweat a bit. It was then that Crossmaglen appeared to realise they needed to tag on a few scores to make sure and so they duly obliged with an excellent longe-range score followed by another clinically taken goal to ensure many punters who availed of the handicap betting went home happy.
At no stage where Kilcoo a match for Crossmaglen in any department and under no circumstances is 'Paul D 123's ' ludicrous suggestion that Kilcoo should have won the game accurate. This was men against boys.
Kilcoo's best performers were Stevey Kane in nets who claimed a dangerous high ball with ease and made a point blank save midway through the 2nd half, Darragh O Hanlon who for a 15 minute spell at the start of the second half carried the fight with some direct runs setting up play from the half back line, Donal Kane who worked hard and hit some fine accurate long range passes to Laverty (Was also unlucky to be blown up for a legitimate hit on James Morgan in the second half which Aaron kernan dispatched), and Conor Laverty who put his body on the line to win ball in the full forward line and displayed vision to set up a few scores. Ryan Johnstone again looked classy in patches and has a big future. Paul Devlin & Jerome Johnson were anonymous and Anthony Devlin looked off the pace. Niall Brannigan is a tight marking corner back but looks like a Junior C footballer with the ball in his hands and this was ruthlessly exposed for cross' 3rd goal.
Cross has star performers all over the pitch. Paul Hearty was solid and dealt comfortably with a few mid-range efforts aimed at goal (again in slippery conditions), Paul McKeown who is as tough and tenacious a man-marker as they come, Paul Kernan who fetched a couple of high balls magnificently in danger areas, Aaron Kernan who seems to (and with good reason) lay claim to any cross free kicks in defence, as his long-range kicking is sublime, Kyle Carragher who looked sharp and won every ball played in his direction before using it intelligently in the first half (although died a bit in the second) and finally the midfield pairing of Johnny Hanratty and David McKenna who, in my book, were the driving force of the whole performance. Hanratty plucked a superb fetch in the second half and seems to relish the physical stuff. McKenna is a giant who won almost every kickout/throw ball directed at him. Both midfielders, despite their physical stature, also have great long-range passing ability which is vital to the cross system.
Jamie Clarke by his own admission (via twitter) had a poor enough day at the office. He was undoubtedly on the end of a great deal of physical, and knowing Kilcoo as well as I do, I can say without any fear of contradiction mental abuse. However, he was lucky to stay on the pitch when he boxed aiden brannigan in the face after a passage of tackling in the first half. He seemed very frustrated at the lack of protection afforded to him by the referee (he was assaulted by Paul Devlin in front of the team dugouts as he embarked on a solo run in the second half) and this ultimately transpired into a poor enough all-round performance. I would be worried that this might lay a template for other corner backs/teams who watched yesterdays game. He is a fine talent and deserves to enjoy his football without being assaulted each time he plays. Cross might consider playing Johnny Hanratty or Danny O Callaghan beside him to 'Police' any off-the-ball nonsense during games! :)
Congratulations to Cross. Nothing but admiration for their achievements. Good luck in the new year!
Quote from: shawshank on December 03, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
I have said this before. It seems to be ok to dish out any kind of abuse but when it comes to racism it seems to be different. The filth that is directed at some players is unbelievable, and why should it be acceptable to call a player anything you want and expect it to be acceptable as long as you don't mention race. Abuse is abuse no matter what stick is being dished out.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 03, 2012, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2012, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: shawshank on December 03, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
We shouldn't and most players will react in some manner when such comments are said, I've no problems as a referee and heard abuse like that in sending someone off, I think there was a rule somewhere that you can use for that, was brought up at a referees meeting early in the year.
Some players just get on with it and wait their chance to get a good hard but fair tackle in on the abuser but this is not always the case.
In our game against Kilcoo they managed to hold our better players off the ball and drag them about, not uncommon and our lads should have worked around it, they didn't and paid the price. I stated before the game that they would struggle to score more than they did against us and that's what happened even against 13 men.
Still cannot believe that ST Galls lost that game - still any team would have found it hard to deal with Cross in thsoe first 15 minutes...breathtaking to watch
As good as they were, Kilcoo conceded a goal from a dopey long ball which the Cross player attempted to catch and broke into the path of another Cross player and a penalty which should have been prevented and should also have been saved. So if you take even either of those two pieces of fortune from the game, it could have been different. I personally think Cross would have won any way and were the better team for sure, but it shows you how a bit of luck doesnt go a miss even for the best of teams.
Quote from: NAG1 on December 03, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 03, 2012, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2012, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: shawshank on December 03, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I think its says alot about everyone within the GAA and in sport in general when its OK to call a players mother a whore, but its a fuss when you make a racist remark. For me, calling someone's mother a whore is by some distance alot worst, buts theres never a word about it. Why the distinction, when infact you should be suspended for any of the remarks. Why are we accepting of this type of behaviour?
We shouldn't and most players will react in some manner when such comments are said, I've no problems as a referee and heard abuse like that in sending someone off, I think there was a rule somewhere that you can use for that, was brought up at a referees meeting early in the year.
Some players just get on with it and wait their chance to get a good hard but fair tackle in on the abuser but this is not always the case.
In our game against Kilcoo they managed to hold our better players off the ball and drag them about, not uncommon and our lads should have worked around it, they didn't and paid the price. I stated before the game that they would struggle to score more than they did against us and that's what happened even against 13 men.
Still cannot believe that ST Galls lost that game - still any team would have found it hard to deal with Cross in thsoe first 15 minutes...breathtaking to watch
As good as they were, Kilcoo conceded a goal from a dopey long ball which the Cross player attempted to catch and broke into the path of another Cross player and a penalty which should have been prevented and should also have been saved. So if you take even either of those two pieces of fortune from the game, it could have been different. I personally think Cross would have won any way and were the better team for sure, but it shows you how a bit of luck doesnt go a miss even for the best of teams.
Yes but would have Cross stepped off the gas had they not been so far in front? Did they beat the handicap?
Wobbler you and I and the dogs on the street are aware of the reputation that club has in the county. There discipline is terrible on the field and their supporters are as bad. The hunt in gangs on the field and so do they off it. a crowd of hard men in a group but really a crowd of cowards. Certainly getting no sympathy from anyone I talked to today
As a Kilcoo person I am very disappointed with what has happened. What was the biggest day in the history of our club will now be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
First of all, I am totally 100% against racism. I am not going to comment on the matter as the full details of what was allegedly said have not yet been released. I am in no way 'brushing it under the table' by saying this, I just feel we will know more in the coming days. I would just like to ask one question, I was in the stand but didn't hear any comments from supporters, I'm not saying it didn't happen but if it did how are people so sure it was Kilcoo supporters, were these people dressed in Kilcoo club gear?
Regarding a previous posters comment, our club have released a statement which includes "We as a club condemn abuse from whatever quarter and shall co-operate fully with any investigation instigated by Ulster Council."
I am actually quite shocked and saddened to see so many people slating our club and supporters on here and on other social networking sites. This isn't in anyway a true reflection of our club or supporters.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
I'd agree but would make it more likely.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
I'd agree but would make it more likely.
I can't see how it would. I don't think it makes it more or less likely. What he said is a bit of a non sequitur.
I thought (perhaps wrongly, I'd admit) that it was widely known in Ulster GAA circles that Joey and Aaron are father and son. Maybe what really is shocking is that a professional sports journo of 20 years experience didn't know. ???
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
As a Kilcoo person I am very disappointed with what has happened. What was the biggest day in the history of our club will now be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
First of all, I am totally 100% against racism. I am not going to comment on the matter as the full details of what was allegedly said have not yet been released. I am in no way 'brushing it under the table' by saying this, I just feel we will know more in the coming days. I would just like to ask one question, I was in the stand but didn't hear any comments from supporters, I'm not saying it didn't happen but if it did how are people so sure it was Kilcoo supporters, were these people dressed in Kilcoo club gear?
Regarding a previous posters comment, our club have released a statement which includes "We as a club condemn abuse from whatever quarter and shall co-operate fully with any investigation instigated by Ulster Council."
I am actually quite shocked and saddened to see so many people slating our club and supporters on here and on other social networking sites. This isn't in anyway a true reflection of our club or supporters.
Mark Sidebottom was asked that question by a black listener from Kilcoo and confirmed that the abusers were wearing Kilcoo gear.
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
As a Kilcoo person I am very disappointed with what has happened. What was the biggest day in the history of our club will now be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
First of all, I am totally 100% against racism. I am not going to comment on the matter as the full details of what was allegedly said have not yet been released. I am in no way 'brushing it under the table' by saying this, I just feel we will know more in the coming days. I would just like to ask one question, I was in the stand but didn't hear any comments from supporters, I'm not saying it didn't happen but if it did how are people so sure it was Kilcoo supporters, were these people dressed in Kilcoo club gear?
Regarding a previous posters comment, our club have released a statement which includes "We as a club condemn abuse from whatever quarter and shall co-operate fully with any investigation instigated by Ulster Council."
I am actually quite shocked and saddened to see so many people slating our club and supporters on here and on other social networking sites. This isn't in anyway a true reflection of our club or supporters.
+1 good post mm.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
As a Kilcoo person I am very disappointed with what has happened. What was the biggest day in the history of our club will now be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
First of all, I am totally 100% against racism. I am not going to comment on the matter as the full details of what was allegedly said have not yet been released. I am in no way 'brushing it under the table' by saying this, I just feel we will know more in the coming days. I would just like to ask one question, I was in the stand but didn't hear any comments from supporters, I'm not saying it didn't happen but if it did how are people so sure it was Kilcoo supporters, were these people dressed in Kilcoo club gear?
Regarding a previous posters comment, our club have released a statement which includes "We as a club condemn abuse from whatever quarter and shall co-operate fully with any investigation instigated by Ulster Council."
I am actually quite shocked and saddened to see so many people slating our club and supporters on here and on other social networking sites. This isn't in anyway a true reflection of our club or supporters.
Mark Sidebottom was asked that question by a black listener from Kilcoo and confirmed that the abusers were wearing Kilcoo gear.
Thanks Applesisapples. I hope that this just doesn't leave a stereotype on our club after what a small minority can do.
The disciplinary process against the two Kilcoo defenders will take its course, and rightly so, but it is a little surprising to find some people claiming that the actual game was men against boys. Cross are an outstanding team who largely lost their way in the second half. Kilcoo conceded two goals in the first four minutes to a dodgy penalty and a poor kick-out, they were eleven points behind coming up to the break and their forwards managed one point from play in the entire match. However, a little more composure when they were just three points down and a man up in the final quarter could easily have snatched it for them.
Instead, the pressure got to them and they gifted Cross yet another goal late on. St Brigid's are highly unlikely to be as defensively vulnerable as Kilcoo and have some fine forwards as well. Sunday might be the wake-up call that Cross needed, but a considerable improvement will be needed if the three in a row is to be achieved.
Quote from: AQMP on December 03, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
My point is that this if this statement is true
"Mark Sidebottom made the point that he knew father and son individually, but hadn't made the connection"
it does not follow that this statement is true:
"so that any abuse by fans must have been premeditated as it would have needed some research."
But it does suggest that if statement 1 is correct then Sidebottom must be the most ill-informed sports pundit of all time
Second time in three games Jamie Clarke didn't score. How many clubs could score a total of 18 points when one of their best forwards is held scoreless? Crossmaglen should equal Nemo Rangers record of seven All Ireland's next March.
I agree with thewobbler's overall point in that there is a huge issue in both the win-at-all-costs mentality and ignorance. however, i cant help but feel he undermines his position by pointing out these problems on the one hand (and citing examples) while putting the gaa on an ethical pedestal above soccer on the other. totally irrelevant and baseless. overall, it's a pointless comparison and i think the gaa would do well here to look at itself as an organisation and a culture and to identify a way forward. the first step to overcoming a problem is to accept that there is one; maybe the silver lining to yesterday will be to provoke a positive response from the gaa. a few lessons could even be learnt from english soccer perhaps- insofar as their crackdown on violence and crowd management policies are concerned. sure they even banned the rooney oik for a bit of swearing last year.
thewobbler further detracts from his argument with the abuse and stereotyping of kilcoo folk.
finally, racism is a disgusting form of discrimination and the most strenuous of efforts should be made to eradicate it completely. very difficult to do as we can't control every idiot on the terraces or on the pitch. its also a difficult task to assess how widespread a problem it is on our pitches but even once is too many and the gaa must act. sad in a way that it has taken a high-profile incident like this to bring the issue to the forefront of the gaa's mind, especially given the weak stance taken in the earlier abuse to the young lad Chin.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on December 03, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
thewobbler further detracts from his argument with the abuse and stereotyping of kilcoo folk.
I'll need to write things down more carefully so i'm not tarred like this. I didn't abuse or stereotype Kilcoo folk. I pointed out that a handful of people from Kilcoo, and from all clubs, have inbred behaviour.
Quote from: our_fella on December 03, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
Soon they'll be known as Kilkoo Klux Klan GAC!!
Class :)
Quote from: johnneycool on December 03, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
Cheap and ignorant comment INDIANA.
I disagree. And the reasons are sledging has become far more acceptable this century then at any other stage in the history of the game IMO. When I played if you said something out of line you just ended up sucking through a straw for 4 weeks.
In the realm of litigation etc. Sledging has become hugely popular and quite frankly a lot of Northern teams used it to their advantage. You can choose to disagree with that if you like. You can't honestly say to me that certain teams up there have pioneered this well beyond the odd throwaway remark to the extent it's used as an active way of winning matches?
its now common place everywhere. even at underage.
I've heard it myself at underage games in Dublin and its sickening to listen to.
Well when you've players reciting phone numbers of girlfriends back to opponents, as well as various other obscenties at inter county level I dunno why we're so surprised that we've now entered the realms of racist remarks. At all levels including underage.
It was never dealt with by the Gaa in any fashion and its now at epidemic proportions.
You just hope some good will come out of this. As we've reached a new low as an Association yesterday.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 03, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
Cheap and ignorant comment INDIANA.
I disagree. And the reasons are sledging has become far more acceptable this century then at any other stage in the history of the game IMO. When I played if you said something out of line you just ended up sucking through a straw for 4 weeks.
In the realm of litigation etc. Sledging has become hugely popular and quite frankly a lot of Northern teams used it to their advantage. You can choose to disagree with that if you like. You can't honestly say to me that certain teams up there have pioneered this well beyond the odd throwaway remark to the extent it's used as an active way of winning matches?
its now common place everywhere. even at underage.
I've heard it myself at underage games in Dublin and its sickening to listen to.
Well when you've players reciting phone numbers of girlfriends back to opponents, as well as various other obscenties at inter county level I dunno why we're so surprised that we've now entered the realms of racist remarks. At all levels including underage.
It was never dealt with by the Gaa in any fashion and its now at epidemic proportions.
You just hope some good will come out of this. As we've reached a new low as an Association yesterday.
I don't think we've reached a new low as Aaron Cunningham is not the first to be racially abused and possibly won't be the last, but the GAA has to make a proper stand on this and draw a line in the sand, but as can be seen from how quickly they got Armagh to drop the 'Brit' accusations against Laois player Sheehan, they're quite happy to cover up certain types of abuse and I'm sure Donal O'g wouldn't have gotten much comfort from HQ if he'd complained about the abuse metered out to him.
I'm in agreement with you on the 'sledging' aspect which has crept in to the game in a bigger way, I'd be disgusted if it was encouraged by management to gain an edge and as you say anyone at it should be picking their teeth out of their shíte the next day. I think it more a modern thing than a northern thing. I've played on HE hurling teams where lads have been called brits and so on and that was back in the 90's. I'd be wrong to make a sweeping statement and say it was all Leinster counties or Munster counties at it, it was individuals who thought they're the next Oscar Wilde with their witisms.
One thing that does get on my goat and I noticed it also recently, is managers slabbering at opposition players, I just think that is pathetic and unwarranted, they should be concentrating on their own team, happens more at club level in all fairness.
Well Said, Johnney -
Indiana, away and chase yourself. Are you on the wind up?
Why do you think it is only in recent years that the Meath and Cork teams from late Eighties/early Nineties have been able to meet and speak to each other? I can still remember the rumours of what was being said on the field between the two teams, especially between Liam Hayes and Larry Tompkins.
Now, could have been all crap, but there was definitely some truth in it.
To think that those two great teams went head to head so many times, hated each other, and not a word spoken? Come off it.
And what about the great Dublin/Meath battles. Players inviting each other over for Afternoon Tea? Don't think so.
For a man that seems to have played a lot of Senior Football from your posts, I can't believe that you think that this started in the last decade or so.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 03, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 03, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Jez get over yourselves, a lot of shite talk goes on during any match not to mention an Ulster club final, im not condoning any racist remarks by anybody from Kilcoo but it goes on with both sides.
You are thus implying that every club in Ireland contains a smattering of racists.
Possibly true, but surely if we want to spread the game among other ethnic groups in Ireland, then it needs to be blotted out asap.
Its amazing the lengths people will got to win a football match these days.
Unfortunately a lot of these types of nasty verbals started in the early part of this century. up North.
It's never been dealt with by the GAA either then or now.
Now when it moves into the realms of racism its a new low for the Association . Younger players are very impressionable and if they see this as acceptable then the game is in big trouble.
I don't think J Leahy of Mullinahone fame is from 'up North' and his comment to a Galway hurler in an AI semi-final in the late 80's or possibly early 90's has yet to be bettered in terms of scumminess.
Cheap and ignorant comment INDIANA.
I disagree. And the reasons are sledging has become far more acceptable this century then at any other stage in the history of the game IMO. When I played if you said something out of line you just ended up sucking through a straw for 4 weeks.
In the realm of litigation etc. Sledging has become hugely popular and quite frankly a lot of Northern teams used it to their advantage. You can choose to disagree with that if you like. You can't honestly say to me that certain teams up there have pioneered this well beyond the odd throwaway remark to the extent it's used as an active way of winning matches?
its now common place everywhere. even at underage.
I've heard it myself at underage games in Dublin and its sickening to listen to.
Well when you've players reciting phone numbers of girlfriends back to opponents, as well as various other obscenties at inter county level I dunno why we're so surprised that we've now entered the realms of racist remarks. At all levels including underage.
It was never dealt with by the Gaa in any fashion and its now at epidemic proportions.
You just hope some good will come out of this. As we've reached a new low as an Association yesterday.
I'm amazed you think this is a recent phenomenon INDIANA. Surely the real pioneers were a certain Leinster county in the late 80s and early 90s? Another Leinster county have been at the "British" thing with Ulster counties for years, I first heard it anecdotally more than 15 years ago.
Of course that was good natured banter?
Perfect 10
Once again Crossmaglen Rangers are the kingpins of Ulster as they claimed their tenth title in 17 years with a 3-09 to 1-09 over Kilcoo at a well attended Athletic Grounds, Armagh. The defending Ulster and All Ireland Champions displayed the sublime and the ridiculous in the opening Half, withstood a stirring second Half fight back from the rank outsiders, showing grit and their vast experience to survive and despite being reduced to 13 players, finish on the ascendency.
Down Champions Kilcoo talked the talk in the lead up to the game but all of their best made plans were torn to shreds in a disastrous opening 5 minutes which saw them trail by 7 points which ultimately proved fatal at the final whistle. From the throw in Cross were on the front foot with a foul on team captain David McKenna allowing Stephen Kernan find Kyle Carragher, operating at full forward, with his lay off to Aaron Kernan just going out over the end line. Kilcoo did not heed the danger signs as 2 minutes later a similar move through Carragher was offloaded to Clarke who parted to Stephen Kernan but before he got on the end of the ball he was tripped by Gerard McEvoy for a penalty with the defender picking up the game's first yellow card. Elder statesman Oisín McConville took the responsibility from the spot with keeper Stephen Kane getting his hands to the shot but could not push it around the post. Before you could draw breath the opening move of the game was replicated but this time Aaron Kernan got to the ball and the second green flag was raised. The goal from Aaron was the fiftieth Ulster Championship goal Cross have scored. Full back Paul Kernan played a long ball to his brother Tony and he duly supplied the opening point of the match to make it 2-01 to nil and only 5 minutes gone. A rout looked on the cards as Kilcoo were at sea all over the park but a Paul Devlin free for their first score settled them a little.
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Kilcoo caught like a rabbit in the headlights found no respite as Aaron Cunningham placed Stephen Kernan for a point followed by a monster 50 yard free from Oisín. Stephen Kernan plundered his second point before Kyle Carragher pointed a good goal chance following a four man move. On 18 minutes Cunningham got in on the scoring to make the score 2-06 to 0-01 and no way back for the sorrowful magpies, so it seemed. Back between the sticks after missing the Semi Final through sickness Paul Hearty made a save from Gerard McAvoy and following an 18 minute barren spell Kilcoo got their second point, another free converted by Darragh O'Hanlon. Hamstring victim Stephen Kernan was replaced by Mickey McNamee and the pendulum swung in favour of the underdogs as the Champions became very careless with their passing. Anthony Devlin received a handy free converted by namesake Paul 2-06 to 0-03 which was to remain to the short whistle. Cross had failed to score in the last 12 minutes of the half while Kilcoo failed to score from play for the entire Half. The Down Champions could draw a glimmer of hope from Warrenpoint in the preceding match as they came from behind to force Extra Time when all had looked lost.
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The Champions began the second Half like the first with Aaron Kernan from a free following a foul on the raiding James Morgan extending their lead. But the score that again put double digits between the teams acted as a signal for Kilcoo to throw caution to the wind and a decision to go down fighting with their boots on. Donal Kane notched their first score from play and inspired his team to add a further 1-3 without reply as they enjoyed their period of dominance. Pointed frees from O'Hanlon and Paul Devlin followed before the elusive Conor Laverty deftly supplied the ball to Anthony Devlin and he fired past Hearty for a tonic goal 1-06 to 2-07. Clarke was denied a Cross goal as McNamee got a straight red card for alleged striking and Cunningham picked up a yellow card as he reached boiling point for reasons detailed elsewhere. The challengers had the bit between their teeth further buoyed by the departure of Rangers towering full back Paul Kernan with an injury replaced by Danny O'Callaghan for his first Championship outing since the All Ireland Final replay with Garrycastle following his sojourn to Australia. A third pointed free from O'Hanlon had the lead whittled down to just a kick of the ball 2-07 to 1-07 and the hitherto sorrowful magpies looked set to pinch more glory just like they did in the Semi Final against St Gall's.
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A sideline fracas interrupted the flow and proved detrimental as Cross just seem to thrive following those physical confrontations. The Champions were given lift off by the tiff as they upped the tempo of their play, regained their composure and got back to the way they know best, when the going gets tough the tough get going as they have shown over the years. Martin Aherne, who was excellent go on the end of an Oisín pass to stick over a very important point that put two scores between the sides it also ended over a half hour's play in which the Champions had scored just a solitary point. Callum Cumiskey replaced Carragher who faded after a very bright start with Kilcoo introducing Feilim McGreevy for Jerome Johnston and James McClean for goalscorer Devlin. With five minutes left on the clock a foul on Oisín enabled Aaron Kernan extend the lead to 5 points 2-09 to 1-07. Jamie Clarke picked up a second yellow and Cross were down to 13 as Kyle Brennan replaced Cunningham for Cross and Seán Devlin came on for Donal Kane for Kilcoo. On the stroke of the hour Ahern brilliantly dispossessed Aidan Brannigan as Kilcoo tried to advance in numbers out of defence. Inside Aherne in acres of space all alone was Oisín. Martin advanced with the ball gave it to Oisín and as he drew keeper Kane he passed across goal to substitute Brennan who had made up terrific ground to join the attack he punched the ball into an empty net for a goal with his first touch that sealed the title. Ronan Finnegan replaced Hughes in the Rangers defence.
Just as Tony McEntee had said pre-match Kilcoo would go to the final whistle they did just that and finished with the last two points as O'Hanlon took his tally to four with his first point from play followed by one from substitute Ryan Johnston to leave the final score 3-09 to 1-09. Kilcoo will point to their terrible start as the reason for their defeat and will be more than satisfied that they made a game of it following that dreadful start.
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Cross being Cross are well known idlers once in a big lead but when push came to shove they knew the gears to click into to get themselves out of trouble. Although they will not complain, they did not seem to get a fair return from the referee who was put under the spotlight during the week by Kilcoo manager Jim McCorry. Rangers team have given their management plenty to work with in the months ahead following their performance against Kilcoo which will allow for no complacency especially now that O'Callaghan is back looking for his starting berth.
As usual the Champions make hard work of winning but now have made it Championship win number 28 under Tony and Gareth. February 17th against old rivals Connacht Champions for the third year in a row Roscommon's finest St Brigid's will be keen to avenge two previous defeats. For now Crossmaglen Rangers can bask in their second Ulster treble which takes their Ulster Final record to the perfect 10 out of 10
Kilcoo: Stephen Kane; Niall Branigan, Aidan Branigan, Darragh O'Hanlon 0-4; Seán O'Hanlon, Gerard McEvoy, Daryl Branigan; Ryan Johnstone 0-1, Paul Greenan; Donal Kane 0-1, Paul Devlin 0-3, Gary McEvoy; Jerome Johnstone, Anthony Devlin 1-0, Conor Laverty.
Subs Sean Devlin, Felim McGreevy, James McClean
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Crossmaglen: Paul Hearty; Paul Hughes, Paul Kernan, Paul McKeown; Aaron Kernan 1-1, James Morgan, Martin Aherne 0-1; Johnny Hanratty, David McKenna; Kyle Carragher 0-1, Stephen Kernan 0-2, Tony Kernan 0-1; Jamie Clarke, Aaron Cunningham 0-1, Oisín McConville 1-2.
Subs Callum Cumiskeey, Kyle Brennan 1-0, Danny O'Callaghan, Michael McNamee, Ronan Finnegan.
Sunday 21st October
Preliminary Round:
Mullahoran(Cavan) 1-07 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 4-15 (Breffni Park)
Sunday 4th November
Quarter Finals:
Tempo Maguires(Fermanagh) 0-09 St Galls(Antrim) 1-15 (Brewster Park)
Ballybay Pearse Brothers(Monaghan) 0-07 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 0-13 (Clones)
Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-11 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 0-10 (Healy Park)
Sunday 11th November
Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-11 Naomh Adhamhnáin(Donegal) 1-07 (Athletic Grounds)
Sunday 18th November
Semi Finals:
St Galls(Antrim) 0-10 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 1-09 (Athletic Grounds)
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 2-10 Errigal Ciarán(Tyrone) 0-10 (Clones)
Sunday 2nd December
Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-09 Kilcoo Eoghan Rua(Down) 1-09
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Sure is. Even more so is that they have 10 Ulster titles from 10 appearances in the final. That is some going.
Ah but as pointed out here before, Cross lost the second half in some of these games!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2012, 03:19:39 PM
Ah but as pointed out here before, Cross lost the second half in some of these games!
Ah, the old adage at half time when you've been on the receiving end of a tanking, 'go out and win the second half for a bit of self respect', forgot about that one.
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
This stat should be remembered the next time the strength of club football in Armagh is mentioned. Cross are just a phenomenal team who would have dominated any county in Ulster. Cross got three games in the Armagh championship as competitive as anything that was thrown up at them in Ulster.
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ?
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
This stat should be remembered the next time the strength of club football in Armagh is mentioned. Cross are just a phenomenal team who would have dominated any county in Ulster. Cross got three games in the Armagh championship as competitive as anything that was thrown up at them in Ulster.
Fantastic team, of that there is no doubt but they wouldn't have dominated Derry with such ease.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
This stat should be remembered the next time the strength of club football in Armagh is mentioned. Cross are just a phenomenal team who would have dominated any county in Ulster. Cross got three games in the Armagh championship as competitive as anything that was thrown up at them in Ulster.
Fantastic team, of that there is no doubt but they wouldn't have dominated Derry with such ease.
And by that I mean over this last 10+ years, before I get ate!!
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
This stat should be remembered the next time the strength of club football in Armagh is mentioned. Cross are just a phenomenal team who would have dominated any county in Ulster. Cross got three games in the Armagh championship as competitive as anything that was thrown up at them in Ulster.
Look lads by the time Cross get to the Ulster final they are a different team in terms of prep, strength and ability. But keep thinking that the second best team in Armagh is the second best team in Ireland!! Great line of thought
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
This stat should be remembered the next time the strength of club football in Armagh is mentioned. Cross are just a phenomenal team who would have dominated any county in Ulster. Cross got three games in the Armagh championship as competitive as anything that was thrown up at them in Ulster.
Look lads by the time Cross get to the Ulster final they are a different team in terms of prep, strength and ability. But keep thinking that the second best team in Armagh is the second best team in Ireland!! Great line of thought
That's not what I am saying. On countless occasions on this board it has been said that Cross are just walking through Armagh a la Kerry in Munster (obv exception being Cork but you know what I mean). I don't think that's fair when you see the ease at which they are now walking through Ulster.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Oh sorry I never realized there was an award for being the last team to beat Crossmaglen in championship football. My bad!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Oh sorry I never realized there was an award for being the last team to beat Crossmaglen in championship football. My bad!
Just making a point to counter your silly little claim. Derry football is poor enough these days and your on here talking out yer hole
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 03, 2012, 04:52:33 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
As a Kilcoo person I am very disappointed with what has happened. What was the biggest day in the history of our club will now be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
First of all, I am totally 100% against racism. I am not going to comment on the matter as the full details of what was allegedly said have not yet been released. I am in no way 'brushing it under the table' by saying this, I just feel we will know more in the coming days. I would just like to ask one question, I was in the stand but didn't hear any comments from supporters, I'm not saying it didn't happen but if it did how are people so sure it was Kilcoo supporters, were these people dressed in Kilcoo club gear?
Regarding a previous posters comment, our club have released a statement which includes "We as a club condemn abuse from whatever quarter and shall co-operate fully with any investigation instigated by Ulster Council."
I am actually quite shocked and saddened to see so many people slating our club and supporters on here and on other social networking sites. This isn't in anyway a true reflection of our club or supporters.
Mark Sidebottom was asked that question by a black listener from Kilcoo and confirmed that the abusers were wearing Kilcoo gear.
Thanks Applesisapples. I hope that this just doesn't leave a stereotype on our club after what a small minority can do.
There really is no way a club can be totally responsible for some of the eejits who follow them, many at an Ulster Final our probably going to their second or third match of the year. The test for the club will be the naming and shaming, someone in your club knows which spectators were shouting the abuse. In my experience these same guys would be abusing their players and probably haven't kicked a ball in their lives. The abuse on the field again in my opinion has the potential to do the most damage and it is probably in the interest of the players concerned to step forward admit guilt and take their punishment. Not to do so will taint the whole team and this would be unfair. It should be noted that I am assuming that Aaron Cunningham has absolutely nothing to gain by making this up and I think by his reaction and that of Aaron Kernan at the time something was said.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Oh sorry I never realized there was an award for being the last team to beat Crossmaglen in championship football. My bad!
Its getting to be like that!
Any competition Cross had in Ulster died off a long time go.
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
For a long time it was the competition to determine the second best team in Armagh!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 04, 2012, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
For a long time it was the competition to determine the second best team in Armagh!
Look that was maybe before Cross started to dominate again, no doubt Og's had tradition and have won many championships but we are in the here and now. I hate teams comparing that crap. Lamhs were claiming they were the second best team in Ireland after we beat them in Antrim and won the All Ireland FFS!! The Johnnies did the same after beating us in the league. All bullshite
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
Could you point me to the post where anybody said the second best team in Ulster if from Armagh? You're the one talking shite.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others) is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster
For a number of years in the early 2000s there were teams in Armagh who could and maybe should have beaten Cross. However, there is a psychological barrier, I believe, that stopped this happening. The fact that Cross have won 6 out of the last 7 Ulster titles (?) and they are winning by about 6 points would suggest this barrier has extended across Ulster too. At this time the only way I can see Cross beat in Ulster is if they run out of steam after so much continuous football.
Quote from: Throw ball on December 04, 2012, 10:18:39 PM
For a number of years in the early 2000s there were teams in Armagh who could and maybe should have beaten Cross. However, there is a psychological barrier, I believe, that stopped this happening. The fact that Cross have won 6 out of the last 7 Ulster titles (?) and they are winning by about 6 points would suggest this barrier has extended across Ulster too. At this time the only way I can see Cross beat in Ulster is if they run out of steam after so much continuous football.
But it's well managed, that's the key, they would not (I assume) be doing pre season nor would they be flat out in the league, big enough panel pushing considering the winning mentality so when the business end of things kick in (August) they are training hard for that run. It's dangerous but effective.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others) is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster
You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.
God this is all great stuff altogether ;D
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 10:25:53 PM
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Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others) is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster
You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.
Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then :o
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then :o
Good man......at least that addresses the discussion that I was trying to have
.. ::)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
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Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others) is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster
You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.
Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then :o
It is...isn't it remarkable that we won half of the Anglo celts available over the last 15 years, one AI one national league given the "crapness" of our league.
Oh our crappy league has also produced 3 different ulster club winning teams.
Who's the 3??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 05, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
Who's the 3??
I am guessing the intermediate and junior squads are included here, still counts however.
Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?
Dont worry walter, once yer young boys turn men your team will be the new crossmaglen!!
Quote from: Armamike on December 05, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?
And all senior grade. Clans in the 70s. Mullaghbawn in the year prior to Cross starting their run. Pearse Ogs also lost a final in the middle 80s to Burren after Gerard Houlihan broke his ankle playing a National League game a couple of weeks before final.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
as the other lads have said, no one has mentioned being the second best team in armagh or ireland, what a rubnish title to have. Anttim teams like the johnies as u said might have talked nonsense after beating you in galls in antrim, but we all know we cant compare galls limited success to what cross have achieved, so we are looking at a much bigger picture here.
The point is the armagh championship stars in august, so after having their early summer break they would certainly be flying training wise come the armagh semi final in mid september. Of course they would be overly confident of winning and would no doubt like to think they will be playing in december, as they usually are. Fact is they were on the tougher side of the draw in ulster and no one gave them a real game. I don't really think that Ogs or dromintee would have won Ulster down the years, they might have, but armagh football is not crap, where as antrim football sounds crap.
Quote from: Armamike on December 05, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Clan Na Gael, Mullaghbawn and Cross. Do i get a prize?
I was being a smart ass. So he's claiming the Armagh league is strong based on the Clans being a force in the 70s?? Oh right!!
crossmaglen are a truly remarkable team id say they would beat any county team
Quote from: Orchardman on December 05, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
This is stupid stuff lads, your embarrassing yourselves with talk of how Armagh football is not shite!! Cross get better as the competition improves, I'd say like ourselves they don't really put the hard work in (because they have had a long campaign) until championship starts in Armagh, talk of them training hard before a championship match (truth or not) makes the Armagh Championship sound like a cake walk.
To me Cross develop a lot better come the Ulster Championship, I've yet to be proved different, as for the Og's and Clarke fluffing his lines against us, " thems the breaks".
So stop with the second best team in Ulster is from Armagh :o :o
as the other lads have said, no one has mentioned being the second best team in armagh or ireland, what a rubnish title to have. Anttim teams like the johnies as u said might have talked nonsense after beating you in galls in antrim, but we all know we cant compare galls limited success to what cross have achieved, so we are looking at a much bigger picture here.
The point is the armagh championship stars in august, so after having their early summer break they would certainly be flying training wise come the armagh semi final in mid september. Of course they would be overly confident of winning and would no doubt like to think they will be playing in december, as they usually are. Fact is they were on the tougher side of the draw in ulster and no one gave them a real game. I don't really think that Ogs or dromintee would have won Ulster down the years, they might have, but armagh football is not crap, where as antrim football sounds crap.
Antrim football is crap, I've said it many many times, it's very surprising that with the standard that has been in Antrim that we have won 3 ulster titles 1 All Ireland and lost a couple of ulster finals and lost an All Ireland final too. ::)
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2012, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 04, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 04, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
So no one in Ulster came within 6 points of Crossmaglen, that's pretty impressive.
Maghery 5 points in the quater final ? Was that the closest in Armagh ?
Carrickcruppen were beaten by 3 points. Ogs gave them a good match up until the last 5 minutes or so in the final.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 04, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
I laid the trap and I knew it would be a Derry man to be first in as it's normally the Derry wans that look down their noses at Armagh club football the most. You had better believe that Cross would have dominated the Derry championship. Granted they might not have won 13 titles in a row in Derry as Bellaghy and Ballinderry were very good teams in the 2000s but I'd estimate that they would have won 10 or 11 out of the 13. Let's not forget that Cross have an excellent record against both those teams in Ulster. The current crop of Cross players would walk the current Derry championship.
I certainly dont look down my nose at any county but to claim they would have won 10 or 11 of the 13 you are being slightly optimistic. Ballinderry, Bellaghy and the Loup all had strong teams during this period. Crossmaglen is not a reflection of Armagh football, it is a reflection of Crossmaglen football. Take Cross out of Armagh and how many teams would compete for Ulster? Pearse Og? Don't think so.
wise up, is this the same Pearse Ogs, the last team in ireland to beat Cross in championship football? The ones that got narrowly beat by St Gall's who went onto win it that year? They'd bate anything derry has to offer at the min, Bderry and slaughtneil were both poor in the derry final whereas Ogs and Cross played out a great final in Armagh.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
That's unfair on the Ogs. The one opportunity they got was in 09 and were narrowly beaten by St Galls who went on to lift the AI. Ronan Clarke was through on goal in the dying seconds and missed the chance to beat them. Hardly lambs to the slaughter.
Just a few quotes from previous Armagh posts. Take from it what you want but my general take on these posts (and others) is that the other teams in Armagh are better than the other Ulster teams due to the fact that they were only beat by a few than Cross's last few wins in Ulster
You're adding two and two together and getting fifteen!!! There are no posts saying what you think they say.....that's your problem.....not the posters.
Right that;s fine, Armagh club football is crap then :o
It is...isn't it remarkable that we won half of the Anglo celts available over the last 15 years, one AI one national league given the "crapness" of our league.
Oh our crappy league has also produced 3 different ulster club winning teams.
The 3 different club winning teams proves nowt, Derry have produced Ballerin, Ballinderry, Bellaghy, Dungiven, Lavey and Loup to all win Ulster Championships and the standard of the Derry Championship is rubbish.
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Quote from: hardstation on December 05, 2012, 09:50:56 PM
I am not sure about that, milltown. Getting a near bye to the Ulsters is certainly a help. Look at the Tyrone championship. One of the most competitive. They never cut the mustard in Ulster. Sure, as you say yourself, you don't start training til after the Antrim final.
I was being slightly mischievous with certain posters. Ulster club football as a whole is at a serious standard, past All Ireland winners include Cross, Naomh Gall, Ballinderry, Bellaghy, Lavey and Burren of old. My point is that the serious training and form happens usually after the county final. The teams mentioned above have had sustained runs in their county championships at times which gives them the experience in Ulster and usually the big push onwards. Some teams have bucked the trend but it is usually the consistant county winners that have an impact.
So teams that run their county winners close in their own county wouldn't necessary be able to get that close come the business end of the Ulster competition.
Apologies for the delay on this one, my tactical analysis piece on Crossmaglen's win over Kilcoo is now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=6492
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
+1
This is the point that I was trying to make before certain posters went off on a tangent. Cross don't just win the Armagh championship every year because it's crap, they win it every year because they are an exceptional club team. MR2 argues that they don't train too hard for it because the standard is low. I would argue that they don't train too hard for it because they have been training flat out until Paddy's Day and need a break.
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 05, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Lazy analysis. The first year that this current Cross team won the AI they had three very competitive matches, they drew with Cullyhanna and pipped them by a point in the replay and Dromintee pushed them all the way in the final.
This year I felt that Maghery, Carrickcruppen and the Ogs all give them their fill of it, well as much as anybody in Ulster did. Where you at any of these matches oakleafgael? Are you going along with the argument that Ulster club football is crap then?
And no I'm not saying that any of these teams are competing for the second best team in Ulster.. :-\
Quote from: mackers on December 06, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
+1
This is the point that I was trying to make before certain posters went off on a tangent. Cross don't just win the Armagh championship every year because it's crap, they win it every year because they are an exceptional club team. MR2 argues that they don't train too hard for it because the standard is low. I would argue that they don't train too hard for it because they have been training flat out until Paddy's Day and need a break.
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 05, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Lazy analysis. The first year that this current Cross team won the AI they had three very competitive matches, they drew with Cullyhanna and pipped them by a point in the replay and Dromintee pushed them all the way in the final.
This year I felt that Maghery, Carrickcruppen and the Ogs all give them their fill of it, well as much as anybody in Ulster did. Where you at any of these matches oakleafgael? Are you going along with the argument that Ulster club football is crap then?
And no I'm not saying that any of these teams are competing for the second best team in Ulster.. :-\
Is this the same Cullyhanna that Greenlough beat in the Intermediate championship a couple of years ago??
Cullyhanna are a frustatingly inconsistent team. They had a very poor day against Greenlough with their star player Ciaran McKeever just off a plane from Oz after the International Rules.
Quote from: mackers on December 06, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
+1
This is the point that I was trying to make before certain posters went off on a tangent. Cross don't just win the Armagh championship every year because it's crap, they win it every year because they are an exceptional club team. MR2 argues that they don't train too hard for it because the standard is low. I would argue that they don't train too hard for it because they have been training flat out until Paddy's Day and need a break.
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 05, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Lazy analysis. The first year that this current Cross team won the AI they had three very competitive matches, they drew with Cullyhanna and pipped them by a point in the replay and Dromintee pushed them all the way in the final.
This year I felt that Maghery, Carrickcruppen and the Ogs all give them their fill of it, well as much as anybody in Ulster did. Where you at any of these matches oakleafgael? Are you going along with the argument that Ulster club football is crap then?
And no I'm not saying that any of these teams are competing for the second best team in Ulster.. :-\
I said that already in a previous post, They only train at the business end of the year as they are usually doing pre-season training leading up to playing in Croke Park. Time management, other clubs need tough pre season training Cross don't, we didn't really do a wile lot of training during our good runs, that may change with the players getting older and fear of losing this winning streak
Toughest game Cross got so far has been Carrikcruppen in semi final of Armagh championship, the will have been glad to get out of the Athletic Grounds that day for sure! Joe Brolly wrote an article last week which including a bit about them training in Gosford Park that morning, home and showered and away to play the semi final, god knows if he is making it up/fed that information or it is actually true but would make you wonder.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 06, 2012, 09:42:31 AM
Quote from: mackers on December 06, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
+1
This is the point that I was trying to make before certain posters went off on a tangent. Cross don't just win the Armagh championship every year because it's crap, they win it every year because they are an exceptional club team. MR2 argues that they don't train too hard for it because the standard is low. I would argue that they don't train too hard for it because they have been training flat out until Paddy's Day and need a break.
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 05, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Lazy analysis. The first year that this current Cross team won the AI they had three very competitive matches, they drew with Cullyhanna and pipped them by a point in the replay and Dromintee pushed them all the way in the final.
This year I felt that Maghery, Carrickcruppen and the Ogs all give them their fill of it, well as much as anybody in Ulster did. Where you at any of these matches oakleafgael? Are you going along with the argument that Ulster club football is crap then?
And no I'm not saying that any of these teams are competing for the second best team in Ulster.. :-\
Is this the same Cullyhanna that Greenlough beat in the Intermediate championship a couple of years ago??
Well which of the two do you think has progressed since then. Greenlough teetering at bottom of their Division or Cullyhanna now regarded one of the top teams in Armagh?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 06, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 06, 2012, 09:42:31 AM
Quote from: mackers on December 06, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
So what is the argument for Armagh football being so crap then? Because Cross are so dominant? Yet them being dominant at provincial level this past decade somehow doesn't render the rest of Ulster crap? :-\
+1
This is the point that I was trying to make before certain posters went off on a tangent. Cross don't just win the Armagh championship every year because it's crap, they win it every year because they are an exceptional club team. MR2 argues that they don't train too hard for it because the standard is low. I would argue that they don't train too hard for it because they have been training flat out until Paddy's Day and need a break.
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 05, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
The Armagh Championship isn't competitive. It used to be Dromintee who put it up to Cross in the final every year before bottling it. They appear to have passed that honour to Pearse Og.
Lazy analysis. The first year that this current Cross team won the AI they had three very competitive matches, they drew with Cullyhanna and pipped them by a point in the replay and Dromintee pushed them all the way in the final.
This year I felt that Maghery, Carrickcruppen and the Ogs all give them their fill of it, well as much as anybody in Ulster did. Where you at any of these matches oakleafgael? Are you going along with the argument that Ulster club football is crap then?
And no I'm not saying that any of these teams are competing for the second best team in Ulster.. :-\
Is this the same Cullyhanna that Greenlough beat in the Intermediate championship a couple of years ago??
Well which of the two do you think has progressed since then. Greenlough teetering at bottom of their Division or Cullyhanna now regarded one of the top teams in Armagh?
Neither has won their senior championship. No medals in Derry for second best.
Quote from: supersub on December 06, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
Toughest game Cross got so far has been Carrikcruppen in semi final of Armagh championship, the will have been glad to get out of the Athletic Grounds that day for sure! Joe Brolly wrote an article last week which including a bit about them training in Gosford Park that morning, home and showered and away to play the semi final, god knows if he is making it up/fed that information or it is actually true but would make you wonder.
Harps gave them a good go!!