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Can the provincial finalists meet each other again at the quarter final stage?

NB you have left Monaghan out of all the quarter final draw you just started there unless you think they have ni chance against Kildare?

Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:01:15 AM
Can the provincial finalists meet each other again at the quarter final stage?

NB you have left Monaghan out of all the quarter final draw you just started there unless you think they have ni chance against Kildare?

As far as I know all restrictions are off after the QFs.

Should the quater finals be palyed over two legs. That way if the provincal finalist get a fair chance instead of been put out in one game. Some thing will have to be done about this.

Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:01:15 AM
Can the provincial finalists meet each other again at the quarter final stage?

NB you have left Monaghan out of all the quarter final draw you just started there unless you think they have ni chance against Kildare?

Sorry I read it on Twitter or heard a rumour somewhere that all of the Monaghan team were injured and that they will be sending out their minor team to compete against Kildare at the weekend.

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Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:01:15 AM
Can the provincial finalists meet each other again at the quarter final stage?

NB you have left Monaghan out of all the quarter final draw you just started there unless you think they have ni chance against Kildare?

Sorry I read it on Twitter or heard a rumour somewhere that all of the Monaghan team were injured and that they will be sending out their minor team to compete against Kildare at the weekend.

They should've sent out the minor team against Tyrone, might not have been as embarassing.

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Sunday August 22nd: All-Ireland Semi-final: Ulster v Connacht

Winner of Roscommon vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or Down*
vs
Winner of Tyrone vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Down v Sligo) or Kildare*

Sunday August 29th: All-Ireland semi-final: Leinster v Munster

Winner of Kerry vs (Winner of Louth v Dublin) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or (Winner of Sligo v Down) or Cork*
vs
Winner of Meath vs (Winner of Limerick v Cork) or (Winner of Monaghan v Kildare) or (Winner of Sligo v Down) or Dublin*

* if this team wins their round 4 back door qualifier game.

I presume that the 1/4 final will be part of a double header in Croker on Sunday 1st August?

Probably will be unless it's against the Dubs which would make it a stand alone match.

Winner of Louth/Dublin - happy with either
Winner of Sligo/Down - happy with either
Kildare if they win - happyish
Winner of Cork/Limerick - don't want Cork just yet.

I know they say to be the best you have to beat the best - but hand on heart - do you want Cork at all?

Probably not. I'd be happy if the Kingdom knocked them out on the other side.

On the other hand, I don't think Cork are as manically driven as they were in the SF last year and the Sean Cavanagh saga definitely did affect Tyrone.

If Mickey happened to find a way to beat Cork (and here will come the Tyrone bashing) - he'd have to go down as one of the very best in the game. He's found a way to beat most systems - except the one he used most successfully. Found a way to beat the intensity and strength of Armagh - and make sure Tyrone won the last 10 minutes, which no team had done against that 2002-2003 armagh side. Found a way to nullify the kerry threat and outscore them in a couple of fantastic games. I'd be pretty nervous facing Cork - but it'd be a hell of a way to win a fourth AIF.

Easy now Puckoon. Easy. Dont be setting us up there.

I think Cork have their own demons to settle before we come a knocking but I'd imagine Mr Harte would love to crack that nut again or even settle the aul Meath chestnut.

Sligo would be an interesting 1/4 final with Meath in the semi & Cork in the ...
I'll go to bed.

Think people are giving Cork far too much respect.  They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon.  Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

Fuzz - I am not saying it will happen - I am just thinking "if".

Anyway - I'll pull the horns back in.

QuoteIf Mickey happened to find a way to beat Cork (and here will come the Tyrone bashing) - he'd have to go down as one of the very best in the game. He's found a way to beat most systems - except the one he used most successfully. Found a way to beat the intensity and strength of Armagh - and make sure Tyrone won the last 10 minutes, which no team had done against that 2002-2003 armagh side. Found a way to nullify the kerry threat and outscore them in a couple of fantastic games. I'd be pretty nervous facing Cork - but it'd be a hell of a way to win a fourth AIF.

True enough, Puck, it is a pity he didn't wait another year or two. If Tyrone do draw Cork and beat them and then beat Kerry then they will have set a marker for the new decade.

Stevie O'Neill - I know he's a majestic player, but do you ever think that other players up their game in his absence? In 2008 the likes of Tommy and Colm came to the fore. Last year, when Stevie was tied up v Cork Tyrone suffered. This year, after he exited the scene v Down the game changed.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 23, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Think people are giving Cork far too much respect.  They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon.  Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

I suppose there's merit in this in that Tyrone beat them in Omagh this year despite playing shite for 50 mins.

Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Stevie O'Neill - I know he's a majestic player, but do you ever think that other players up their game in his absence? In 2008 the likes of Tommy and Colm came to the fore. Last year, when Stevie was tied up v Cork Tyrone suffered. This year, after he exited the scene v Down the game changed.

I thought it was more of a case last year that Tyrone couldn't get enough ball into Stevie in the Semi - every time he got his hands on the ball he had the beating of that Cork defence.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 23, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Think people are giving Cork far too much respect. They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon. Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

Nail on head.

Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Stevie O'Neill - I know he's a majestic player, but do you ever think that other players up their game in his absence? In 2008 the likes of Tommy and Colm came to the fore. Last year, when Stevie was tied up v Cork Tyrone suffered. This year, after he exited the scene v Down the game changed.

Hard to know - it swings both ways. I think you have the likes of Mulligan - who in my mind really hits top form when those around him are. Then you've other players who do step up when SON is out of the game.

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 23, 2010, 10:40:42 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Stevie O'Neill - I know he's a majestic player, but do you ever think that other players up their game in his absence? In 2008 the likes of Tommy and Colm came to the fore. Last year, when Stevie was tied up v Cork Tyrone suffered. This year, after he exited the scene v Down the game changed.

I thought it was more of a case last year that Tyrone couldn't get enough ball into Stevie in the Semi - every time he got his hands on the ball he had the beating of that Cork defence.

I suppose the game has to change when he goes off. He's a proper forward. He's the only one who, when the ball is passed to him, is expected to score.  Perhaps, a midfielder's first thought is to get the ball to Stevie and if it isn't on, then the rest of the team have to engineer a score.  If Stevie isn't on, then the team just have to engineer a score and it is more of a collective effort.  Hard to know if the team works better with or without him.  The other forwards seem to play more of a 'win possession in a safe area and lay it off' game, whereas Stevie can get himself into isolated areas sometimes, although he has the knack of scoring from these areas.  I'd say a Tyrone team with Stevie just shades it for me-can't beat class

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 23, 2010, 10:43:41 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 23, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Think people are giving Cork far too much respect. They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon. Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

Nail on head.

Maybe some are giving Cork a bit too much respect (they haven't won an AI yet) but you lads are not giving them enough respect if you really think last year was a superhuman effort on their part and if memory serves me the ref sent off Alan O'Connor unfairly. If that hadn't happened it could be argued that Tyrone would have been beaten far more comfortably. I know I rate Cork higher than most here but last years performance against Tyrone wasn't even close to the best they can produce and I'd be surprised if anyone involved with the Tyrone team were foolish enough to think otherwise.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 23, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Easy now Puckoon. Easy. Dont be setting us up there.

I think Cork have their own demons to settle before we come a knocking but I'd imagine Mr Harte would love to crack that nut again or even settle the aul Meath chestnut.

Sligo would be an interesting 1/4 final with Meath in the semi & Cork in the ...
I'll go to bed.

I can guarentee now Tyrone won't play Meath in the semi's! (draw rules it out) I think Mickey Harte will be looking another go at Cork this year. This team has beat all other big challengers in the past and will want to avenge last years defeat. Having said that I think he'd rather play them in a semi or final and not in the quarters.

Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:03:24 PM

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 23, 2010, 10:43:41 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 23, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Think people are giving Cork far too much respect. They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon. Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

Nail on head.

Maybe some are giving Cork a bit too much respect (they haven't won an AI yet) but you lads are not giving them enough respect if you really think last year was a superhuman effort on their part and if memory serves me the ref sent off Alan O'Connor unfairly. If that hadn't happened it could be argued that Tyrone would have been beaten far more comfortably. I know I rate Cork higher than most here but last years performance against Tyrone wasn't even close to the best they can produce and I'd be surprised if anyone involved with the Tyrone team were foolish enough to think otherwise.

We are probably slowly arriving somewhere near the truth.

That said - they appeared to play with superhuman effort against Tyrone - and then capitulated in the final - suggesting their exertions in the semi were strenuous enough to affect their following game.

Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:03:24 PM

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 23, 2010, 10:43:41 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 23, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Think people are giving Cork far too much respect. They will be lucky to survive the Gaelic Grounds tomorrow. I've said it before, last year's semi-final was a superhuman effort, coupled with illness in the Tyrone side and John Bannon. Cork haven't played as well since.  If you take Daniel Goulding and the O'Neills out of the game, you've a good chance of beating them. 
I would be happy for Tyrone to meet Cork in the next round.  No motivation needed.

Nail on head.

Maybe some are giving Cork a bit too much respect (they haven't won an AI yet) but you lads are not giving them enough respect if you really think last year was a superhuman effort on their part and if memory serves me the ref sent off Alan O'Connor unfairly. If that hadn't happened it could be argued that Tyrone would have been beaten far more comfortably. I know I rate Cork higher than most here but last years performance against Tyrone wasn't even close to the best they can produce and I'd be surprised if anyone involved with the Tyrone team were foolish enough to think otherwise.

...and seemed to right the wrongs of the first half by refusing to take any further action against Cork.  (Miskella on McGuigan?  Hughes getting pole-axed off ball?)

Cork are a good, tough side, I just don't think that they are great and would be wary of the constant psychological damage inflicted on them by Kerry.   

I wouldn't agree Puck. I was at the semi and I didn't think Cork produced anything we hadn't seen before and they only lost the final by 3 or 4 pointswhen there was no score in the last ten minutes. In other words they were in a decent position with ten minutes to go and Kerry got bodies back which cork didn't have the guile to break down. It should be remembered that Cork will probably have a new FF, new FB and one new midfielder, a different center back and a different half forward line this year. They are a team in progression and are getting better every year, I wouldn't say that is true of either Tyrone or Kerry.

Cork have a large panel of good strong players. Yet they lack something and that something was the reason they were unable to convert possession in the second half of last years AI into a winning score and the reason why they failed to beat Kerry in 2 attempts this year despite looking the better team. Tomorrow's game is a test for them becasue they alaways have trouble with Limerick and if Limerick keep it close into the second half then it will test Cork's confidence. I was at both Kerry games and I saw no improvements this year and when pressure comes on Cork resort to old failed habits; I am going to the game tomorrow and after that I might have some idea if they are genuine AI challengers this year.

Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
I wouldn't agree Puck. I was at the semi and I didn't think Cork produced anything we hadn't seen before and they only lost the final by 3 or 4 pointswhen there was no score in the last ten minutes. In other words they were in a decent position with ten minutes to go and Kerry got bodies back which cork didn't have the guile to break down. It should be remembered that Cork will probably have a new FF, new FB and one new midfielder, a different center back and a different half forward line this year. They are a team in progression and are getting better every year, I wouldn't say that is true of either Tyrone or Kerry.

Id agree with this - at the very least at first glance. Its whether Tyrone or Kerry are deteriorating that is dangerous for them.

QuoteThey are a team in progression and are getting better every year,

But they lost to an old and tired Kerry team in the Munster semi...

QuoteThey are a team in progression and are getting better every year,

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I see no evidence of this.

I would take Cork in the 1/4 finals. last year's semi was just one of those games where nothing went right on the day for Tyrone. I can't believe all this nonsense about Cork being a better team than Tyrone. This Cork team must be one of the biggest chokers around and until they win an all-ireland that wont change for me.

Cork will be lucky to get past Limerick. It's about time Limerick stood up to the mark in the qualifiers!

Quote from: Puckoon on July 23, 2010, 10:04:47 PM
If Mickey happened to find a way to beat Cork (and here will come the Tyrone bashing) - he'd have to go down as one of the very best in the game. He's found a way to beat most systems - except the one he used most successfully. Found a way to beat the intensity and strength of Armagh - and make sure Tyrone won the last 10 minutes, which no team had done against that 2002-2003 armagh side. Found a way to nullify the kerry threat and outscore them in a couple of fantastic games. I'd be pretty nervous facing Cork - but it'd be a hell of a way to win a fourth AIF.

Quick rewind - 2003, first round, Ulster Championship.

Quote from: Puckoon on July 23, 2010, 11:23:08 PM

Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
I wouldn't agree Puck. I was at the semi and I didn't think Cork produced anything we hadn't seen before and they only lost the final by 3 or 4 pointswhen there was no score in the last ten minutes. In other words they were in a decent position with ten minutes to go and Kerry got bodies back which cork didn't have the guile to break down. It should be remembered that Cork will probably have a new FF, new FB and one new midfielder, a different center back and a different half forward line this year. They are a team in progression and are getting better every year, I wouldn't say that is true of either Tyrone or Kerry.

Id agree with this - at the very least at first glance. Its whether Tyrone or Kerry are deteriorating that is dangerous for them.

That's the important point I think. Tyrone and Kerry have at least plateaued I think (if their still improving then the rest will never win an AI again!) but are the deteriorating and if so by how much. I think both have gone back a bit from what they were, they must have and the question is have they gone back enough to be beaten? I think they have and I think there are question marks over this version of both Tyrone and Kerry. Many have asked about the quality of teh opposition Cork have met well the same could be asked of Tyrone. Armaghs defeat to an out od sorts Dublin puts Monaghans abilities into question. Have Tyrone really beaten anyone of note? It's developing into a fascinating championship.

Not sure Limerick is going to be a walk in the park for Cork. Think Limerick will run them very close.

I'd nearly prefer Dublin in the QFs purely for the record Tyrone have against them in Croke Park for the QFs. (Of course that depends if they can beat Louth)

With Monaghan getting beat today that increases the chances of avoiding Cork (if the come through rd 4) from 66% to 75%.

Has to be Tyrone V Dublin for the umpteenth year in the quarter finals. Anybody but Cork!

Or Limerick  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 24, 2010, 08:30:52 PM
Has to be Tyrone V Dublin for the umpteenth year in the quarter finals. Anybody but Cork!

Quote from: Hardy on July 24, 2010, 08:34:06 PM
Or Limerick  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oops  :D

still think cork is the best possible draw for tyrone.

dublin, kildare and down have all gained momentum whereas this cork team are crying out to be beaten.

plus we only beat down 2 games ago so we dont want them again so soon.

we owe cork big time for last year.

Quote from: clarshack on July 24, 2010, 09:16:16 PM
still think cork is the best possible draw for tyrone.

dublin, kildare and down have all gained momentum whereas this cork team are crying out to be beaten.

plus we only beat down 2 games ago so we dont want them again so soon.

we owe cork big time for last year.

Just like Kerry at the same stage last year...

kildare is only winable option for tyrone  ;D

Tyrone v Kildare - Kildare have a sense of revenge for last year's close call. But a tired and drained Monaghan scored 1-10 today.
Tyrone v Down - Will probably be an awful match. Again, Down have cause for revenge. Benny and Marty will want to wipe out their performances in Casement.
Tyrone v Cork - How will Cork recover from their recent exertions. Tyrone have unfinished business and a good way to eradicate complacency after the Ulster Final.
Tyrone v Dublin - bring out the best (sometimes the worst) in both. Team Dublin are not the fancy dans they were under Pillar and are building momentum weekly.

Monaghan scored  1-2 when the game was done and dusted, I wouldn't fear any side left but sooner get a crack at ye in the semi....

I was at Croker today and the standard of football from all 4 teams was dreadful
Aimless kicking and not much intensity and we actually left early as did thousands others it was that poor

I didn't get too see the whole Cork game but from 60 mins on they didn't look great.

Down would be interesting again alright but Cork might be vulnerable at this stage before they get time to build up a head of steam.

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Quote from: clarshack on July 24, 2010, 09:16:16 PM
still think cork is the best possible draw for tyrone.

dublin, kildare and down have all gained momentum whereas this cork team are crying out to be beaten.

plus we only beat down 2 games ago so we dont want them again so soon.

we owe cork big time for last year.

Just like Kerry at the same stage last year...

aye but cork dont have big game players/WINNERS like gooch, star or declan o'sullivan.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
I was at Croker today and the standard of football from all 4 teams was dreadful
Aimless kicking and not much intensity and we actually left early as did thousands others it was that poor

I didn't get too see the whole Cork game but from 60 mins on they didn't look great.

Down would be interesting again alright but Cork might be vulnerable at this stage before they get time to build up a head of steam.

The fact that both games were over with 20 mins to go didn't help.
The quarters will be a much better standard.

Quote from: clarshack on July 24, 2010, 11:13:57 PM

Quote from: AFS on July 24, 2010, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: clarshack on July 24, 2010, 09:16:16 PM
still think cork is the best possible draw for tyrone.

dublin, kildare and down have all gained momentum whereas this cork team are crying out to be beaten.

plus we only beat down 2 games ago so we dont want them again so soon.

we owe cork big time for last year.

Just like Kerry at the same stage last year...

aye but cork dont have big game players/WINNERS like gooch, star or declan o'sullivan.

They've about 15 players that won a big game against Tyrone last year.

After today's games, I would have to say that Kildare would be ideal for Tyrone.  They were very jaded looking bar Kavanagh and have yet to taste success against Tyrone at this stage.  Next up would be down as they aren't strong enough all over the field and have crumbled against Tyrone already due to inexperience. Dublin are lookin a bit more balanced this year but can the break the hoodoo?  Cork would show Tyrone no respect and would be the toughest of the four but looking tired-would be some game though. 

Can anyone enlighten Nakata as to when the draw will take place, what time and is it televised? Lot of Tyrone fans really fancy another crack at the rebels. I'm not one of them.

Limerick were atrocious today and Cork weren't much better. Kildare and Dublin both kicked massive amount of wides and can't see Down do anything different in a replay, don't care how much they put past Sligo today.

Dublin pose the biggest threat to Tyrone with their early intensity, but they're far from the finished article. Would like to see Kerry draw Dublin and meath draw Cork.

Kildare are a big team with plenty of scoring ability, but they'll easily let in a bagful.

Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 24, 2010, 11:54:46 PM
Can anyone enlighten Nakata as to when the draw will take place, what time and is it televised? Lot of Tyrone fans really fancy another crack at the rebels. I'm not one of them.

6.40pm tomorrow on RTE 2

Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 25, 2010, 12:42:14 AM

Limerick were atrocious today and Cork weren't much better. Kildare and Dublin both kicked massive amount of wides and can't see Down do anything different in a replay, don't care how much they put past Sligo today.

Dublin pose the biggest threat to Tyrone with their early intensity, but they're far from the finished article. Would like to see Kerry draw Dublin and meath draw Cork.

Kildare are a big team with plenty of scoring ability, but they'll easily let in a bagful.

I think Cork barely scraped by Louth before beating Sligo and then destroying us in 2007.
I wouldn't pay much heed to the Limerick game today.
Limerick are the sort of team Cork hate playing against.
Sets them up perfectly for a big performance the next day.
Whoever gets them in the quarters is gone I reckon.

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Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 25, 2010, 12:42:14 AM

Limerick were atrocious today and Cork weren't much better. Kildare and Dublin both kicked massive amount of wides and can't see Down do anything different in a replay, don't care how much they put past Sligo today.

Dublin pose the biggest threat to Tyrone with their early intensity, but they're far from the finished article. Would like to see Kerry draw Dublin and meath draw Cork.

Kildare are a big team with plenty of scoring ability, but they'll easily let in a bagful.

I think Cork barely scraped by Louth before beating Sligo and then destroying us in 2007.
I wouldn't pay much heed to the Limerick game today.
Limerick are the sort of team Cork hate playing against.
Sets them up perfectly for a big performance the next day.
Whoever gets them in the quarters is gone I reckon.

even tyrone?

Especially Tyrone.  :D

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Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
I wouldn't agree Puck. I was at the semi and I didn't think Cork produced anything we hadn't seen before and they only lost the final by 3 or 4 pointswhen there was no score in the last ten minutes. In other words they were in a decent position with ten minutes to go and Kerry got bodies back which cork didn't have the guile to break down. It should be remembered that Cork will probably have a new FF, new FB and one new midfielder, a different center back and a different half forward line this year. They are a team in progression and are getting better every year, I wouldn't say that is true of either Tyrone or Kerry.

Id agree with this - at the very least at first glance. Its whether Tyrone or Kerry are deteriorating that is dangerous for them.

That's the important point I think. Tyrone and Kerry have at least plateaued I think (if their still improving then the rest will never win an AI again!) but are the deteriorating and if so by how much. I think both have gone back a bit from what they were, they must have and the question is have they gone back enough to be beaten? I think they have and I think there are question marks over this version of both Tyrone and Kerry. Many have asked about the quality of teh opposition Cork have met well the same could be asked of Tyrone. Armaghs defeat to an out od sorts Dublin puts Monaghans abilities into question. Have Tyrone really beaten anyone of note? It's developing into a fascinating championship.

Armagh were beat by a cricket score by Monaghan, Dublin barely beat Armagh.  Don't see where this optimism is coming from regarding Dublin, they have beat none of the major players and are reliant on one player up front.  Not a chance they will reach the final never mind win the AI.

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Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
I wouldn't agree Puck. I was at the semi and I didn't think Cork produced anything we hadn't seen before and they only lost the final by 3 or 4 pointswhen there was no score in the last ten minutes. In other words they were in a decent position with ten minutes to go and Kerry got bodies back which cork didn't have the guile to break down. It should be remembered that Cork will probably have a new FF, new FB and one new midfielder, a different center back and a different half forward line this year. They are a team in progression and are getting better every year, I wouldn't say that is true of either Tyrone or Kerry.

Id agree with this - at the very least at first glance. Its whether Tyrone or Kerry are deteriorating that is dangerous for them.

That's the important point I think. Tyrone and Kerry have at least plateaued I think (if their still improving then the rest will never win an AI again!) but are the deteriorating and if so by how much. I think both have gone back a bit from what they were, they must have and the question is have they gone back enough to be beaten? I think they have and I think there are question marks over this version of both Tyrone and Kerry. Many have asked about the quality of teh opposition Cork have met well the same could be asked of Tyrone. Armaghs defeat to an out od sorts Dublin puts Monaghans abilities into question. Have Tyrone really beaten anyone of note? It's developing into a fascinating championship.

Armagh were beat by a cricket score by Monaghan, Dublin barely beat Armagh.  Don't see where this optimism is coming from regarding Dublin, they have beat none of the major players and are reliant on one player up front.  Not a chance they will reach the final never mind win the AI.

Where is this mythical "optimism" you are talking about. To me everyone is saying the Dubs will be bet out the gate again. Suits us fine though.

Interesting column from Liam Hayes this morning. A lot of what he says is actually true but as usual comes out with a line or two which is complete bollix! His latest being "we can be pretty sure that Colm Cavanagh, Joe McMahon or Brian Dooher, for starters, would never have had inter county careers if they had been born outside of Tyrone". Another few lines include "Dooher still doesnt look like a county footballer" and Monaghan had "ten footballers who were more skillful, more athletic, and also stronger on the ball, than their opposite numbers in Tyrone shirts".

Quote from: tyroneboi on July 25, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
Interesting column from Liam Hayes this morning. A lot of what he says is actually true but as usual comes out with a line or two which is complete bollix! His latest being "we can be pretty sure that Colm Cavanagh, Joe McMahon or Brian Dooher, for starters, would never have had inter county careers if they had been born outside of Tyrone". Another few lines include "Dooher still doesnt look like a county footballer" and Monaghan had "ten footballers who were more skillful, more athletic, and also stronger on the ball, than their opposite numbers in Tyrone shirts".

(http://www.legaljuice.com/yawn%20big%20funny.jpg)

...And no that isn't Rory Woods eating a duck egg.

Down, Dublin, Kildare, Roscommon and Meath are just there to make up the numbers 1 may be luck to get to a Semi but thats about it.
As a Down man our best chance of a semi is Meath or Roscommon but i think we are better than what we showed in the Ulster semi. But dont fancy being strangled again so soon.

not long now

bring on the dubs

Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 24, 2010, 08:30:52 PM
Has to be Tyrone V Dublin for the umpteenth year in the quarter finals. Anybody but Cork!

8)

And the winners play Cork/Rosc

Sunday August 22nd: All-Ireland Semi-final: Ulster v Connacht

Winner of Roscommon vs  Cork
vs
Winner of Tyrone vs  Dublin

Sunday August 29th: All-Ireland semi-final: Leinster v Munster

Winner of Kerry vs Down
vs
Winner of Meath vs  Kildare

Dublin, Cork and then Kerry - certainly be winning it the hard way!

Quote from: tyroneboi on July 25, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
Interesting column from Liam Hayes this morning. A lot of what he says is actually true but as usual comes out with a line or two which is complete bollix! His latest being "we can be pretty sure that Colm Cavanagh, Joe McMahon or Brian Dooher, for starters, would never have had inter county careers if they had been born outside of Tyrone". Another few lines include "Dooher still doesnt look like a county footballer" and Monaghan had "ten footballers who were more skillful, more athletic, and also stronger on the ball, than their opposite numbers in Tyrone shirts".

thats a load of balls - I read it too and hes talking out of his spinchter again.
Dooher was a star on the minor sides.
I heard about 'young ' Joe McMahon from an omagh ex work colleague of mine from when Joe was about 16 - so he's far from a flash in the pan and wouldnt have made it elsewhere !
Cant comment on McCarron, but given hayes inability to spot a footballer, I would expect he is on a par with McMahon or dooher stories!

Quote from: tyroneboi on July 25, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Dublin, Cork and then Kerry - certainly be winning it the hard way!

thats the way Harte would want it !

anyhow an AI isnt really worth much unless you beat both Dublin and Kerry and/or Cork !!

A possible final between Tyrone and Down

Really hope we don't get a hiding here. A defeat of 5/6 points would be acceptable imo.

However, Tyrone's braggartism might give the Dubs a slight chance.

However, it is great to be going into a big game totally written off.Traditionally we have done well in these scenarios.

I think this is the perfect draw for us, no disrespect to the Dubs. Tyrones enemy in this game would have been complacency. A packed Croker and the sight of the light blue jerseys will dispell any notion of complacency and should stoke the fire in the belly.

The two Mc Mahons will be deployed to curb B Brogan with Justy shadowing and Joe sweeping.

Only form line available would be Armagh. With the dubs scraping by the Orchard whilst Monaghan destroyed them and ourselves going on to comprehensively beat the Farney. However, this will more than likely be irrelevant come match day.

Already looking forward to this, should be a great day out as it's always a bit special meeting the Dubs on a big championship day.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
I think this is the perfect draw for us, no disrespect to the Dubs. Tyrones enemy in this game would have been complacency. A packed Croker and the sight of the light blue jerseys will dispell any notion of complacency and should stoke the fire in the belly.

The two Mc Mahons will be deployed to curb B Brogan with Justy shadowing and Joe sweeping.

Only form line available would be Armagh. With the dubs scraping by the Orchard whilst Monaghan destroyed them and ourselves going on to comprehensively beat the Farney. However, this will more than likely be irrelevant come match day.

Already looking forward to this, should be a great day out as it's always a bit special meeting the Dubs on a big championship day.

Packed house? Where exactly? Its going to be a double header from what i'm hearing.

I'd say Kildare v Meath on monday, Tyrone v Dublin on its own possibly Saturday and other two a double header Sunday.

Dont like the parallels with 2008 - a provincial champion, having easily won thier title meets a hardened team from the qualifiers, who started poorly, scraped a few games and is now building up a head of steam, by taking a big name down.....

I couldn't imagine it being a double header? Surely it would make sense for ourselves to play a stand alone with the two Munster teams QF's a double header and Meath v Kildare on bank holiday monday?

Ok with the drop in Dublins support this year it won't be a full house but surely enough interest will be raised to warrant a stand alone game.

Do all the QF's have to be played in Croke Park?

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
Tyrones enemy in this game would have been complacency.

What would Tyrone have to be complacent about?

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:57:27 PM
I couldn't imagine it being a double header? Surely it would make sense for ourselves to play a stand alone with the two Munster teams QF's a double header and Meath v Kildare on bank holiday monday?

Ok with the drop in Dublins support this year it won't be a full house but surely enough interest will be raised to warrant a stand alone game.

Do all the QF's have to be played in Croke Park?

Yeah I agree with this, Dubs v Tyrone on the Saturday and Kildare v Meath on the Monday.

Quote from: Zulu on July 25, 2010, 08:01:59 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:57:27 PM
I couldn't imagine it being a double header? Surely it would make sense for ourselves to play a stand alone with the two Munster teams QF's a double header and Meath v Kildare on bank holiday monday?

Ok with the drop in Dublins support this year it won't be a full house but surely enough interest will be raised to warrant a stand alone game.

Do all the QF's have to be played in Croke Park?

Will get a very poor crowd if a saturday. If they want to get 50k it will have to be sunday. No chance on saturday. Too many working on saturdays now.

Yeah I agree with this, Dubs v Tyrone on the Saturday and Kildare v Meath on the Monday.

Quote from: Hardy on July 25, 2010, 07:59:49 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:18:36 PM

Tyrones enemy in this game would have been complacency.

What would Tyrone have to be complacent about?

Quarter finals tend to be dodgy ground for provincial winners, especially those who have had a relatively smooth run through their province. Tyrone v Meath 2007 is a case in point.

Dublin hammered Tyrone in the league in Omagh. Don't write off the Dubs in their home patch.


Tyrone have had some encounters with the Dubs as past few years.

It should be a great atmosphere again.



2 double headers as far as I hear on Saturday and Sunday.

Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Dublin hammered Tyrone in the league in Omagh. Don't write off the Dubs in their home patch.


Tyrone have had some encounters with the Dubs as past few years.

It should be a great atmosphere again.



2 double headers as far as I hear on Saturday and Sunday.

2 triple headers I've heard. 2 minor quarters as well being played. No stand alone fixture.

Makes sense.

Quote from: ONeill on July 25, 2010, 07:00:23 PM
And the winners play Cork/Rosc

No, the winners play Cork :'(

If that's the case then my guess is:

Tyrone v Kerry (minor) 12pm

Kerry v Down 2pm

Tyrone v Dublin 4pm

Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 07:23:01 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 25, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
I think this is the perfect draw for us, no disrespect to the Dubs. Tyrones enemy in this game would have been complacency. A packed Croker and the sight of the light blue jerseys will dispell any notion of complacency and should stoke the fire in the belly.

The two Mc Mahons will be deployed to curb B Brogan with Justy shadowing and Joe sweeping.

Only form line available would be Armagh. With the dubs scraping by the Orchard whilst Monaghan destroyed them and ourselves going on to comprehensively beat the Farney. However, this will more than likely be irrelevant come match day.

Already looking forward to this, should be a great day out as it's always a bit special meeting the Dubs on a big championship day.

Packed house? Where exactly? Its going to be a double header from what i'm hearing.

dublin v tyrone will surely be stand alone, its going to pull 65-70k low water, i wouldnt be surprised in the least if it sells out

I'd be worried meeting Down in the final alright.

Quote from: tyroneman on July 25, 2010, 07:52:54 PM
Don't like the parallels with 2008 - a provincial champion, having easily won their title meets a hardened team from the qualifiers, who started poorly, scraped a few games and is now building up a head of steam, by taking a big name down.....

This is exactly what I thought when the draw was made. Dublin have been embarrassed in the 1/4's the last two years running and this match is the perfect opportunity for them to put those defeats behind them. I'm certainly not writing them off.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2010, 08:19:07 PM

Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Dublin hammered Tyrone in the league in Omagh. Don't write off the Dubs in their home patch.


Tyrone have had some encounters with the Dubs as past few years.

It should be a great atmosphere again.



2 double headers as far as I hear on Saturday and Sunday.

2 triple headers I've heard. 2 minor quarters as well being played. No stand alone fixture.

That's a roger - won't be a stand alone.

Really looking forward to this now - Dublin will be rank outsiders and rightly so - we can just go along and enjoy the day.

In all seriousness I was kinda  hoping for this draw too although others wanted Cork

With the wife's 1st cousin being Michael D Macauley (his da from Donegal) I was hoping we'd cross paths this year.
Also with me living in Dublin and having a lot of Dublin mates I got 12 texts about 7pm and not too many were that pleased they'd pulled us outta the hat

I was at the games in Croker yesterday and despite Monaghan looking awful which questions our victory over them a little, I must say I came away not too worried about the Dubs either. I'm not being smart arsed for a change but with the exception of BB they don't over a lot else. I think they've had a major clear out this year and changed their style a bit but Louth gave them no test whatsoever. They seem to have become a bit more defensive alright with a defensive system in place now and not just going man or man but like Down and Monaghan found out this Tyrone team are very dynamic and can't change their style of play even without the managers input.

I know the tendency is to keep yer cards close to yer chest and not be overconfident in case you land face down in the sh*t but I really can't see Dublin having enough in place to take Tyrone. Remember back in the league Mickey wanted to take the game to Croker. He knows his team loves playing there and players like Mugsy, Cavanagh, Dooher & SoN all excel when they play there.

Of course Dublin will be glad of the new low key approach and have nothing to lose which favours them but I think this team have went backwards since 2008 with only BB being the new Hill Darling.

I hope its on the Sunday as I'm due to be in Newry Sat night and I believe they are quite confident to beat Kerry as well.
Cork have had an easy wee route through the qualifers despite nearly messing it up on Sat
They'll hardly be that bad again but with a handy enough game v the Rossies they'll be well up for the Dubs in the semi.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Bernard Brogan, M.D. mcAuley, e o gara are all darlings of the hill. I don't Believe Dublin have gone backwards. I think we've made a lateral leap that will help bring us on. Circumstances are completely different going into this match than the 08 match  Don't be surprised if we don't lie down for yis this year lads.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
In all seriousness I was kinda  hoping for this draw too although others wanted Cork

With the wife's 1st cousin being Michael D Macauley (his da from Donegal) I was hoping we'd cross paths this year.
Also with me living in Dublin and having a lot of Dublin mates I got 12 texts about 7pm and not too many were that pleased they'd pulled us outta the hat

I was at the games in Croker yesterday and despite Monaghan looking awful which questions our victory over them a little, I must say I came away not too worried about the Dubs either. I'm not being smart arsed for a change but with the exception of BB they don't over a lot else. I think they've had a major clear out this year and changed their style a bit but Louth gave them no test whatsoever. They seem to have become a bit more defensive alright with a defensive system in place now and not just going man or man but like Down and Monaghan found out this Tyrone team are very dynamic and can't change their style of play even without the managers input.

I know the tendency is to keep yer cards close to yer chest and not be overconfident in case you land face down in the sh*t but I really can't see Dublin having enough in place to take Tyrone. Remember back in the league Mickey wanted to take the game to Croker. He knows his team loves playing there and players like Mugsy, Cavanagh, Dooher & SoN all excel when they play there.

Of course Dublin will be glad of the new low key approach and have nothing to lose which favours them but I think this team have went backwards since 2008 with only BB being the new Hill Darling.

I hope its on the Sunday as I'm due to be in Newry Sat night and I believe they are quite confident to beat Kerry as well.
Cork have had an easy wee route through the qualifers despite nearly messing it up on Sat
They'll hardly be that bad again but with a handy enough game v the Rossies they'll be well up for the Dubs in the semi.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

who has tested tyrone this year?

I don't see where this talk of Dublin finding momentum is coming from. Tyrone may not be at the peak of their powers compared to 2005 but they will still be far too cute for Dublin.

Dublin were there for the taking against Armagh but we continually turned over possession and despite the Dublin defence appearing vulnerable we didn't pose enough of a threat up front.

The Louth game proved nothng, Louth would rather not have been there yesterday.

How many of the Dublin team would get on the Tyrone team?

Tyrone by six.

Probably only b brogan and cluxton but at the end of the day it's 15 v 15. I fully expect Tyrone to beat us but we won't lie down this time.

Quote from: Orangemac on July 25, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
I don't see where this talk of Dublin finding momentum is coming from. Tyrone may not be at the peak of their powers compared to 2005 but they will still be far too cute for Dublin.

Dublin were there for the taking against Armagh but we continually turned over possession and despite the Dublin defence appearing vulnerable we didn't pose enough of a threat up front.

The Louth game proved nothng, Louth would rather not have been there yesterday.

How many of the Dublin team would get on the Tyrone team?

Tyrone by six.

How many Armagh players would get on the Tyrone team? None. At least we have one. ::)

Down tested us for first 20 mins and Monaghan also controlled MF for whole of 1st half and had they got 1 or both of those goals could have been leading at halftime

We've had a harder run this year than last but our style of play is so so different.

Dubs have nothing to lose and if they can keep their heads will pose us plenty of problems but I think as usual we've got the smarter man at the helm and better players with Plan B, C & D

Quote from: Pups on July 25, 2010, 10:50:36 PM
Probably only b brogan and cluxton but at the end of the day it's 15 v 15. I fully expect Tyrone to beat us but we won't lie down this time.

Brogan yes but not Cluxton, big Packie is certainly earning his keep this year.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2010, 11:02:55 PM
Down tested us for first 20 mins and Monaghan also controlled MF for whole of 1st half and had they got 1 or both of those goals could have been leading at halftime

We've had a harder run this year than last but our style of play is so so different.

Dubs have nothing to lose and if they can keep their heads will pose us plenty of problems but I think as usual we've got the smarter man at the helm and better players with Plan B, C & D

I beg to differ. i don't believe you've played anyone yet bar 20mins against Down. I'm not saying we will test you. But I don't think you're anywhere near 2005 and 2008 levels personally. I think there is an element of the tyrone fans here who are away with the fairies on that one. Monaghan are a very average team. Far too much made of the Ulster final. I think you'll beat us with a bit to spare. but I don't see Sam coming home to Tyrone

Most likely stand alone but what off the minors clash, will it maybe feature

I agree about them not being as good as previous years Indiana but I do think they'll go all the way.  Was just watching Joe Brolly orgasming over "tyrones particular type of football". Gas!

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
In all seriousness I was kinda  hoping for this draw too although others wanted Cork

With the wife's 1st cousin being Michael D Macauley (his da from Donegal) I was hoping we'd cross paths this year.
Also with me living in Dublin and having a lot of Dublin mates I got 12 texts about 7pm and not too many were that pleased they'd pulled us outta the hat

I was at the games in Croker yesterday and despite Monaghan looking awful which questions our victory over them a little, I must say I came away not too worried about the Dubs either. I'm not being smart arsed for a change but with the exception of BB they don't over a lot else. I think they've had a major clear out this year and changed their style a bit but Louth gave them no test whatsoever. They seem to have become a bit more defensive alright with a defensive system in place now and not just going man or man but like Down and Monaghan found out this Tyrone team are very dynamic and can't change their style of play even without the managers input.

I know the tendency is to keep yer cards close to yer chest and not be overconfident in case you land face down in the sh*t but I really can't see Dublin having enough in place to take Tyrone. Remember back in the league Mickey wanted to take the game to Croker. He knows his team loves playing there and players like Mugsy, Cavanagh, Dooher & SoN all excel when they play there.

Of course Dublin will be glad of the new low key approach and have nothing to lose which favours them but I think this team have went backwards since 2008 with only BB being the new Hill Darling.

I hope its on the Sunday as I'm due to be in Newry Sat night and I believe they are quite confident to beat Kerry as well.
Cork have had an easy wee route through the qualifers despite nearly messing it up on Sat
They'll hardly be that bad again but with a handy enough game v the Rossies they'll be well up for the Dubs in the semi.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Agreed,

Apart from the first part. I have a soft spot for the Dubs. Knowing a few good Dublin Gaels makes me not want to meet them.

Flashback to wet and wild 2008 - Dublin cruising through Leinster, Tyrone struggling through the qualifiers - Tyrone raised their game and Dublin wilted - the roles are identical in reverse now.  The Dubs like Tyrone 08 may see this game as the winnable springboard to success.  Dubs in the quarter - little hype about them, they are much more dangerous next Sunday than in 08.  Tyrone will need to pull out a top drawer performance to stay with them.     

I disagree. That is looking for comparisons when they are more unalike than alike. The truth is that there is no Comparison. In 08 Tyrone had recently won 2 AIs taking out Dublin in 05. Dublin haven't been in a final since 95. Taking this game for what it is, another game in the 2010 Championship, it looks like Tyrone to win.

Tyrone look better in most areas of the pitch. Dublin have choked at this stage the last few years and I see nothing to suggest anything different this year. Tyrone by 7+. 8)

as a bit of an unknown quality to themselves as much as to anyone else this new Dublin side are tougher, bigger,more akward and dont have any discernable pattern to analyse just yet.
They like to run at teams (as their passing game hasnt clicked yet) and while cutting out supply to B Brogan and having him marked by either McCarron or Justin Mc (or even Colm mccullagh - you never know what Harte will do either) might take him mostly out of the game, the big strong fast runners like McCauley, OGara, Cullen (back in his best position), Flynn, Fennell, McConnell and Cahill (and maybe brennan - still a weak link imo) will be a different kind of test for Tyrone. A different style of football that is still emerging.
I dont think its going to be an easy game for either side. Dublin could sneak it. they dont look pretty doing it, but it is effective. Tyrone running at Dublin is their best bet too like they did at monaghan - as Dubs defence and FB line is very tight marking (FB maybe too cumbersome to mark a natural and agile FF- with limited ball I thought lennon showed up a few problems with ocarroll).
look forward to this! Tyrone but only just. Dubs could sneak it if tyrone dont stop the strong scorng runners !

After the collapses of the past, Gilroy has thrown out a lot of the footballers and has almost tried to invent a new type of gaelic football, based on power - maybe he looked at Cork last year against Tyrone and decided that big, fast, powerful men ( as opposed to footballers ) is the way forward ?.


Gilroy will have seen in the national league that by bulldozing teams like Tyrone, he can get results.

They absolutely horses Tyrone out of it in Omagh in the league and will attempt this weekend to do the same.

And they might just succeed.

Don't think this is as clear cut as people may think. A number of points;

1. Hopefully Tyrone have momentum. Last year they didn't. In 2007, the other year they found themselves in this position having won Ulster, they didn't either. 2007 and 2009 semed like stop go seasons and ultimately they were caught. This year, there appears to be a freshness and an improvement with each game. The 2 week break from the Monaghan game seems about perfect, although the Dubs are building their own momentum

2. There may be a big game in the Dubs. There should be close to a full house with the possibility of this being a stand alone game on the Saturday. The Dubs may relish this.

3. Their forward line, in particular the Brogans, especially Bernard. He went to town in Omagh a few months ago. Although the Tyrone defence will play totally different this weekend, it is important the Dubs aren't given space like Cork were last year in the first half and also Kildare last year, again in first half. If this is the case, the Dubs could score heavily in a short space of time. The jury is out on O'Gara, but it will require one of the McMahons to mark him. Then, who marks Bernard? and Alan?

4. Their midfield is physically powerful and have dominated their last 3 games. Tyrone's midfield have to play as well as they did in Clones at the very least.

5. Up front is key. On reflection, perhaps the main reason they lost to Cork last year and Meath 2007 is the amount of wides kicked. If they miss like last Sunday in Clones, they could be in difficulty. With SO'N unlikely to start, free taking is an issue. How reliable will Penrose be into the Hill? And right footed free taker? Has Tommy McGuigan the confidence to take them? Sean Cavanagh or Mulligan? Perhaps Mulligan has the temperment. Also the role of Sean Cavanagh. I don't think he is a '40 man. Either inside to occupy O'Carroll their young full back or else around the middle.

Quote from: orangeman on July 26, 2010, 11:06:08 AM
After the collapses of the past, Gilroy has thrown out a lot of the footballers and has almost tried to invent a new type of gaelic football, based on power - maybe he looked at Cork last year against Tyrone and decided that big, fat, powerful men ( as opposed to footballers ) is the way forward ?.


Gilroy will have seen in the national league that by bulldozing teams like Tyrone, he can get results.

They absolutely horses Tyrone out of it in Omagh in the league and will attempt this weekend to do the same.

And they might just succeed.

No comment needed.
Anything I could come up with will never be as funny as the original.

Biggest problem for Dublin is that Tyrone know what to expect and unless they have another plan B up their sleeve Tyrone will be well prepared for them.

Likewise Dublin will be ready for Tyrone, but I think Tyrone will capitalize on that much better.

Quote from: LeoMc on July 26, 2010, 11:18:32 AM

Quote from: orangeman on July 26, 2010, 11:06:08 AM
After the collapses of the past, Gilroy has thrown out a lot of the footballers and has almost tried to invent a new type of gaelic football, based on power - maybe he looked at Cork last year against Tyrone and decided that big, fast, powerful men ( as opposed to footballers ) is the way forward ?.


Gilroy will have seen in the national league that by bulldozing teams like Tyrone, he can get results.

They absolutely horses Tyrone out of it in Omagh in the league and will attempt this weekend to do the same.

And they might just succeed.

No comment needed.
Anything I could come up with will never be as funny as the original.

Apologies to those big Dublin lads !!  :D ;)

Quote from: rrhf on July 26, 2010, 09:00:54 AM
Flashback to wet and wild 2008 - Dublin cruising through Leinster, Tyrone struggling through the qualifiers - Tyrone raised their game and Dublin wilted - the roles are identical in reverse now.

Nice comparison - only problem is that the Tyrone players had two AI medals rattling about in their pockets - Dublin players don't

The feeling here in the capital among any Dubs I've talked to is they don't think they've a chance

They got truly hockeyed by Meath & a lot of talk of Gilroy had lost the dressing room and players saying he hadn't a clue what he was at.

Since then they've went on and beat Tipperary, Armagh(Who Monaghan hammered) and now Louth who were terrible on Sat.
The main thing these games lack is intensity and Dublin did not have to show any true grit.

They lack leaders in my eyes on the feel and Gilroy is far from a tactical genius.
Of course they could play out of their skins & set me up for a huge fall but I'm only speaking my mind that I've saw Tyrone 3 times this year and Dublin twice and I am fairly confident which one I'd be putting my money on.

I wouldn't bet on SoN not being fit this time either from what i've heard

I think Dublin will definately be different proposition this time around compared with 2008.  If you look at the Dublin forward line in 2008, you could have predicted which Tyrone defenders where going to mark which Dublin forward before the game and I remember thinking at the time that there is no way Dublin forwards would get the better of Tyrone defenders (Tyrone where a massive 3/1 that day and certs when you thought about the game beforehand)

The Dublin forward line that day was:
D Connolly, J Sherlock, K Bonner; A Brogan (capt), C Keaney (1-01), T Quinn (0-02, 2f).

The Tyrone defence was:
R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, C Gourley; D Harte (1-01), C Gormley (0-01), P Jordan;

Match ups as far as i remember where:
Ricey on Quinn
Justy on Keaney
C Gourley on Bonner
D Harte on Connolly
C Gormley on A Brogan
P Jordan on Sherlock

there was no way that Dublin forward line was going to have any impact when matched up like that.  Tyrone are shrewd that way and i still expect them to win this weekend but I also expect a much sterner challenge from Dublin.  They have a more work man like ethic about them this year and appear for more robust than the timid forward line they had back in 08, which is down to Gilroys approach.  Cullen and Corkery are more honest players in my opinion compared to what the likes of Bonner and Connolly where, also Alan Brogan on the 40 and Ber-nard Brogan starting this time around should make a difference.  O'Gara will add a bit of power to there forward line and is a strong hoor although i think his vision is questionable, he is very direct and showed that against Louth with his 2 goals although the Louth full back was shocking, i dont expect Tyrone defenders to dive in like Finnegan did last week.  I expect O'Gara to run straight at the Tyrone defence every time he gets the ball as he is that type of player but i expect him not to have the success he had last week as Tyrone are clincial in the tackle and will surround him early.  Tyrone are always able to handle a one trick pony player.

Still expect tyrone to win as still think they are the best team in the country at grinding other teams down and then taking them to pieces on the counter attack.  Every player is very very comfortable on the ball and not a man panics, even when they are not playing well or are a few scores down.  Think the Dublin defence is highly suspect and would expect Tyrone forwards to get the upper hand qute easily in this department which is why i think Gilroy has went for Cullen and Corkery this year as wing half forwards, because he knows they will track runners and give a dodegy defence some extra help.

Tyrone by 3pts.  Roll on the weekend, Skylon booked, Copperfaces Saturday night, get the BINTS in  8)   

Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser

Thats some days football - magic if true.  Fill 'er to the rafters men. 

I'd agree with most of that DirtDozen & I always like reading yer avatar message

Sat suits me ok

Is it defo sat? I would have thought they would leave the most glamourous match to the end??

Eh, they did.

Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser

BALLS Heffo, need some proof of that  ;D

Any idea when tickets will go on sale at www.ticketmaster.ie ??

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:06:51 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser

BALLS Heffo, need some proof of that  ;D

Any idea when tickets will go on sale at www.ticketmaster.ie ??

The last two weeks the games have been at 3pm and 5pm on Saturday, so would be unusual to go for 4pm this time?

Just checked - athletics coverage starts at 6pm, so 2pm and 4pm makes sense, so it seems heffo is on the ball again.

Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser

Good chance then that we could see Tyrone and Kerry minors as part of a 3 game show ?.

No times or dates confirmed on the GAA website yet.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He's young and he's a brute, definately a very strong runner with the ball and very direct but im going to question his vision as said before.  He run through the Louth defence last week like they where not there, he will now think he can do that to the tyrone defence and i expect him to run into cul de sacs and get swallowed up, no one man is stronger than 3 men

http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/26/all-ireland-football-quarter-finals-fixtures-times-date/

nothing confirmed yet

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:16:17 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He's young and he's a brute, definately a very strong runner with the ball and very direct but im going to question his vision as said before.  He run through the Louth defence last week like they where not there, he will now think he can do that to the tyrone defence and i expect him to run into cul de sacs and get swallowed up, no one man is stronger than 3 men

I'd say the Tyrone FB line can't wait to get hold of him.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He went off early but he is hardly a new force to deal with, he has been around for years now.  Never really lived up to his early billing.

First game on saturday for the Meath game would suit me fine. But i suppose the GAA are unlikely to make scheduling changes for one fan. A hell of a fan, granted, but it's still probably unlikely.

Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 12:20:10 PM

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:16:17 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He's young and he's a brute, definately a very strong runner with the ball and very direct but im going to question his vision as said before.  He run through the Louth defence last week like they where not there, he will now think he can do that to the tyrone defence and i expect him to run into cul de sacs and get swallowed up, no one man is stronger than 3 men

I'd say the Tyrone FB line can't wait to get hold of him.

would be confident of justy or joe dealing with hime,
gormley on alan brogan. bernard brogan will pose the biggest problem. maybe harte will give that job to mccarron after a good showing last day out

BB was quiet against Louth.
I'd expect a big game from him the next day.

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:16:17 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He's young and he's a brute, definately a very strong runner with the ball and very direct but im going to question his vision as said before.  He run through the Louth defence last week like they where not there, he will now think he can do that to the tyrone defence and i expect him to run into cul de sacs and get swallowed up, no one man is stronger than 3 men

He'll have to get the ball before he runs at anything.

Pain in the arse a Saturday game for us Tyronies with the traffic on the road. Add into it the fact that Ulster are playing in the Aviva stadium on Saturday as well!

Quote from: sizzler on July 26, 2010, 12:03:39 PM
Is it defo sat? I would have thought they would leave the most glamourous match to the end??

Kind same theory

All Ireland Football Quarter Finals – Fixtures , Times & Date .
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/07/26/all-ireland-football-quarter-finals-fixtures-times-date/

TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

I love Saturday games. Mainly for that reason.

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 26, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
Pain in the arse a Saturday game for us Tyronies with the traffic on the road. Add into it the fact that Ulster are playing in the Aviva stadium on Saturday as well!

Its not Ulster. Its Ulster development lads.

Squad as follows:

Munster-Connacht: Ronan Barry (Munster), Callum Boland (Connacht), Shane Buckley (Munster), Shane Leydon (Connacht), Luke Cahill (Munster), Aaron Conneely (Connacht), Jack Costigan (Munster), Mark Dolan (Connacht), Johnny Holland (Munster), Daniel Horgan (Munster), Lucas Kunz (Munster), Tadhg Leader Connacht), Eoin McKeon (Connacht), Ian Mullarkey (Munster), Paul Mullen (Munster), Rob O'Herlihy (Munster), Danny Qualter(Connacht), Gareth Quinn-McDonogh (Munster), James Rael (Munster), Ben Sargent (Munster), Aaron Spring (Connacht), Kieran Stokes (Munster), Sean Wooton (Connacht)
Leinster- Ulster: Andrew Boyle (Leinster), Conor Carey (Ulster), Paddy Carroll (Leinster), Sam Coughlan Murray (Leinster), Peter du Toit (Leinster), Craig Gilroy (Ulster), Ian Henderson (Ulster), Robert Hynes (Leinster), Paddy Jackson (Ulster), Alex Kelly (Leinster), Stephen Lecky (Ulster), Paddy Marks (Ulster), Cathal Marsh (Leinster), Luke Marshall (Ulster), Michael McAuley (Ulster), Mark McGroarty (Leinster), David McGuigan (Ulster), Emmet McMahon (Leinster), Martin Moore (Leinster), Jonny Murphy (Ulster), Conor Spence (Ulster), James Tracy (Leinster)

Have any of you taken a 10 month old baby to croker. Would the atmosphere be too much for the wee lad

40K tickets already sold for that game in the Aviva, throw in aother 65K at Croker and Dublin will be mental...

Tickets are only a tenner for that rugby game.
If it's a wet day I'd say half of them won't turn up.

Yea the Dub supporters are fickle...

Weather forecast is not bad for weekend, cloudy with sunny spells

Quote from: Hound on July 26, 2010, 12:54:53 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

I love Saturday games. Mainly for that reason.

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 26, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
Pain in the arse a Saturday game for us Tyronies with the traffic on the road. Add into it the fact that Ulster are playing in the Aviva stadium on Saturday as well!

Its not Ulster. Its Ulster development lads.

Squad as follows:

Munster-Connacht: Ronan Barry (Munster), Callum Boland (Connacht), Shane Buckley (Munster), Shane Leydon (Connacht), Luke Cahill (Munster), Aaron Conneely (Connacht), Jack Costigan (Munster), Mark Dolan (Connacht), Johnny Holland (Munster), Daniel Horgan (Munster), Lucas Kunz (Munster), Tadhg Leader Connacht), Eoin McKeon (Connacht), Ian Mullarkey (Munster), Paul Mullen (Munster), Rob O'Herlihy (Munster), Danny Qualter(Connacht), Gareth Quinn-McDonogh (Munster), James Rael (Munster), Ben Sargent (Munster), Aaron Spring (Connacht), Kieran Stokes (Munster), Sean Wooton (Connacht)
Leinster- Ulster: Andrew Boyle (Leinster), Conor Carey (Ulster), Paddy Carroll (Leinster), Sam Coughlan Murray (Leinster), Peter du Toit (Leinster), Craig Gilroy (Ulster), Ian Henderson (Ulster), Robert Hynes (Leinster), Paddy Jackson (Ulster), Alex Kelly (Leinster), Stephen Lecky (Ulster), Paddy Marks (Ulster), Cathal Marsh (Leinster), Luke Marshall (Ulster), Michael McAuley (Ulster), Mark McGroarty (Leinster), David McGuigan (Ulster), Emmet McMahon (Leinster), Martin Moore (Leinster), Jonny Murphy (Ulster), Conor Spence (Ulster), James Tracy (Leinster)

I know very little about it, but I've been told by the bus at work who are heading down that there are 40,000 tickets sold. It doesn't really matter who it is if the traffic's cat.

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/

Looks like the saturday at 4pm guys!!!

Sure would ye not all be leaving early to cheer on your Ulster brethren in the first game anyway?  ???

Quote from: Jinxy on July 26, 2010, 01:16:30 PM
Sure would ye not all be leaving early to cheer on your Ulster brethren in the first game anyway?  ???

Lets make Saturday a Love Ulster day in the capital...

I like that.
Has a nice ring to it.

Minors at 12pm according to that site. Early departure on Saturday morning required.

Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

+1

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:16:17 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

He's young and he's a brute, definately a very strong runner with the ball and very direct but im going to question his vision as said before.  He run through the Louth defence last week like they where not there, he will now think he can do that to the tyrone defence and i expect him to run into cul de sacs and get swallowed up, no one man is stronger than 3 men

Whatever you say DirtDozen ... you just keep posting and don't change avatar

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/news (http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/news)

Saturday July 31
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2010 Quarter Final
Kerry V Down, 2pm, Croke Park
Tyrone V Dublin, 4pm, Croke Park
Sunday August 1
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship 2010 Quarter Final
Roscommon V Cork, 2pm, Croke Park
Meath V Kildare, 4pm, Croke Park

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 26, 2010, 12:06:51 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 26, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Dubs v Tyrone on at 4pm Saturday - Kerry v Down as curtain raiser

BALLS Heffo, need some proof of that  ;D

Any idea when tickets will go on sale at www.ticketmaster.ie ??

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/news

Hows that?

Anyone know if the Enterprise train stops near Croke, I will be going from Lurgan to the game and thinking that the train would be the best bet. 

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 26, 2010, 01:48:48 PM
Anyone know if the Enterprise train stops near Croke, I will be going from Lurgan to the game and thinking that the train would be the best bet.

Stops in Connolly station - it's a short hop, skip & a jump to Croker

Yeah Nrico its the last stop and its only 15 min walk to Croker up past Hill16 pub on Gardiner street or up North Circular Road towards the Cusack

Looks like SoN is back in training & should be OK for Saturday. Mickey mightn't risk him though and might play Postman Pat instead.  ;)


Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has been boosted by a return to training by Stephen O'Neill after injury. Former footballer of the year O'Neill had been suffering from a heel injury and was only fir for a place on the bench in last Sundays Ulster Final win over Monaghan.

Assistant Tyrone manager Tony Donnelly has confirmed that the Clan Na Gael clubman returned to full training on Tuesday night and again later in the week where he has shown good improvement, Donnelly said
"Another week and a couple more sessions will do Stephen the power of good, he injury has improved and he should be fit to play a part in the quarter final

There's nothing like the atmosphere of a Tyrone Dublin match.  Have to hand it to the Dublin fans, they provide great noise and excitement for all their games and the Tyrone fans have had plenty to cheer about at previous encounters.  Whoever comes through this side of the draw, if they lift Sam, would be worthy champions.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 26, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
.  Whoever comes through this side of the draw, if they lift Sam, would be worthy champions.

Why?
Surely whoever lifts Sam will be worthy champions ?

Whats the story with tickets for saturday? club, ticketmaster (never used the thing) etc?

Yeah ticketservicechargeMaster have them on sale with good seats on sale for €38 including handling fee.
Is there still a place to buy then on Dorset St as I hate paying those thieiving gits €3.50 for printing them & posting them out.


I've got a new flag sorted so I wonder will my neighbours in D3 find offence with a big Red hand.
I see a few Dublin ones on our street and I know there's a Kerry family there as well.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 03:38:55 PM
Yeah ticketservicechargeMaster have them on sale with good seats on sale for €38 including handling fee.
Is there still a place to buy then on Dorset St as I hate paying those thieiving gits €3.50 for printing them & posting them out.


I've got a new flag sorted so I wonder will my neighbours in D3 find offence with a big Red hand.
I see a few Dublin ones on our street and I know there's a Kerry family there as well.

Yeah just got them off ticket master. Cant understand why even if you print them yourself the hurs still make ye pay €3.50. D3 you should be grand, sure there probadly flying butchers aprons aka union jacks in D4, am a D8 myself mostly Dub flags if any and the odd Kerry one. As a Derry man living in Dublin I dont know who I will be supporting but hopefuly Down will pull one out of the bag!

If you're planning on going to quarter and semi-final regardless of result, better value to buy the combo ticket for 65 Euros, save 15 Euros on tickets,(Quarter 35 + Semi 45) plus No Service charge
Kids tickets available at 5 Euros each as well ..

http://www.gaa.ie/tickets-and-merchandise/tickets/gaa-ticket-packages/ (http://www.gaa.ie/tickets-and-merchandise/tickets/gaa-ticket-packages/)

GAA Quarter & Semi Combo

•Purchase tickets for one quarter final and the corresponding semi final in one code together
•€65 per person
•Includes a quarter final and semi final combination (based upon draw)
•Seat in 308 (Cusack Lower) or 708 (Cusack Upper) in Croke Park
•Add '16s and under' at EUR 5 per fixture each
•Buy online in advance of your selected quarter final
•There are no refunds after the quarter final!

We did that last year for the Kildare & Cork games
Good tickets but would say its a pain if you lose and dont wanna go see the next match though I'd be happy to go see Cork v Dublin as well. Sorry I meant Cork or Rossies

I might just take this option.


Yeah I've been to many's games over the years including a 2008 Euro Championships game Holland v Russia and nothing comes close to the atmosphere we felt in 2005 2nd game at start of 2nd half when Dublin started plugging back and scored like 4 or 5 points in a row

The noise, excitement, passion, fear was unreal and then when we began to doubt Tyrone Mugsy goes and scores another goal v the Dubs and stares into the hill again. He might get hit by a bottle the next time he does it.
Only messing lads, I know ye wouldnt do that. He would be a star in yer team

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 04:04:19 PM

Yeah I've been to many's games over the years including a 2008 Euro Championships game Holland v Russia and nothing comes close to the atmosphere we felt in 2005 2nd game at start of 2nd half when Dublin started plugging back and scored like 4 or 5 points in a row

The noise, excitement, passion, fear was unreal

That was phenomenal. Loudest roar I've ever heard in Croker

Quote from: mick999 on July 26, 2010, 03:58:46 PM
If you're planning on going to quarter and semi-final regardless of result, better value to buy the combo ticket for 65 Euros, save 15 Euros on tickets,(Quarter 35 + Semi 45) plus No Service charge
Kids tickets available at 5 Euros each as well ..

http://www.gaa.ie/tickets-and-merchandise/tickets/gaa-ticket-packages/ (http://www.gaa.ie/tickets-and-merchandise/tickets/gaa-ticket-packages/)

GAA Quarter & Semi Combo

•Purchase tickets for one quarter final and the corresponding semi final in one code together
•€65 per person
•Includes a quarter final and semi final combination (based upon draw)
•Seat in 308 (Cusack Lower) or 708 (Cusack Upper) in Croke Park
•Add '16s and under' at EUR 5 per fixture each
•Buy online in advance of your selected quarter final
•There are no refunds after the quarter final!

If I had of known that earlier!! ::) ::)

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 04:04:19 PM



Yeah I've been to many's games over the years including a 2008 Euro Championships game Holland v Russia and nothing comes close to the atmosphere we felt in 2005 2nd game at start of 2nd half when Dublin started plugging back and scored like 4 or 5 points in a row

The noise, excitement, passion, fear was unreal and then when we began to doubt Tyrone Mugsy goes and scores another goal v the Dubs and stares into the hill again. He might get hit by a bottle the next time he does it.
Only messing lads, I know ye wouldnt do that. He would be a star in yer team

I was there as a neutral and I'd have to agree.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 05:07:35 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 04:04:19 PM

Yeah I've been to many's games over the years including a 2008 Euro Championships game Holland v Russia and nothing comes close to the atmosphere we felt in 2005 2nd game at start of 2nd half when Dublin started plugging back and scored like 4 or 5 points in a row

The noise, excitement, passion, fear was unreal

That was phenomenal. Loudest roar I've ever heard in Croker

yeah unreal, those 2 tyrone v dublin games in 05 are prob the best sporting atmosphere i've ever experienced, esp that time you mentioned when dublin had the tails up

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 26, 2010, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

+1

Minus 1. Fecking working so not get going. On the bright side i will not have to drive to croker.

Hotel booked, tickets ordered, just need to spend the rest of the week praying that we win.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 04:04:19 PM
We did that last year for the Kildare & Cork games
Good tickets but would say its a pain if you lose and dont wanna go see the next match though I'd be happy to go see Cork v Dublin as well. Sorry I meant Cork or Rossies

I might just take this option.


Yeah I've been to many's games over the years including a 2008 Euro Championships game Holland v Russia and nothing comes close to the atmosphere we felt in 2005 2nd game at start of 2nd half when Dublin started plugging back and scored like 4 or 5 points in a row

The noise, excitement, passion, fear was unreal and then when we began to doubt Tyrone Mugsy goes and scores another goal v the Dubs and stares into the hill again. He might get hit by a bottle the next time he does it.
Only messing lads, I know ye wouldnt do that. He would be a star in yer team

Thought that was just me. I will never forget that 15 minute spell before Mugsy's goal. Atmosphere- unreal. Met some of the tyrone lads on an allstar gig a few years ago and they said it was incredible to play in.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2010, 02:15:50 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 26, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
.  Whoever comes through this side of the draw, if they lift Sam, would be worthy champions.

Why?
Surely whoever lifts Sam will be worthy champions ?

I see what you mean.
That's a phrase used about whoever wins the championship, nomatter how dismal their opponents have been.

But realistically, this is definitely the tougher side of the draw, no offence intended to the other teams.  If Roscommon disposed of Cork, then Dublin or Tyrone and then the final which historically has been Kerry, it would add some gloss to a memorable occasion as they will have beaten at least two of 'the big three' and possibly Dublin, who are as strong as I've seen them.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Looking forward to this. This is a different Dublin from '08 and '05. A bit for defensively savvy and less of the prima donnas.

Remember in 2008, Brogan went off early so he's a new force to contend with.

What about big O'Gara - donkey or a Jackeen Donaghy?

Would like to see Justin on him

I think Justy is the man for B Brogan, Gormley on A Brogan and McCarron on O'Gara with big Joe sweeping in front.

As many have said before, the atmosphere in that spell in the 05 game will never ever be matched in any game I witness. The Dubs definitely know how to create an atmosphere.

I was sitting in the upper Canal surrounded by Dubs. When Keaney and co rattled off those 5 points the place was vibrating. It was tribal, frightening. If the Dubs ever get to an All-Ireland final I'd like to be there. Not this year hopefully.

Quote from: DoireGael on July 26, 2010, 03:47:15 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 03:38:55 PM
Yeah ticketservicechargeMaster have them on sale with good seats on sale for €38 including handling fee.
Is there still a place to buy then on Dorset St as I hate paying those thieiving gits €3.50 for printing them & posting them out.


I've got a new flag sorted so I wonder will my neighbours in D3 find offence with a big Red hand.
I see a few Dublin ones on our street and I know there's a Kerry family there as well.

Yeah just got them off ticket master. Cant understand why even if you print them yourself the hurs still make ye pay €3.50. D3 you should be grand, sure there probadly flying butchers aprons aka union jacks in D4, am a D8 myself mostly Dub flags if any and the odd Kerry one. As a Derry man living in Dublin I dont know who I will be supporting but hopefuly Down will pull one out of the bag!

Curious to know where ticketmaster's seats are for Saturday?

Myself and two other Brack lads from home were with me at that game.
Like most lads who don't live in Dublin there is often a bad feeling towards the Dubs and many love to see them beaten

That evening we met many a descent Dubs and on the night link home we had the whole bus singing C'mon ye boyz in Blue & Molly Malone.

I think many of the Dubs have a healthy respect for Tyrone as they kinda see us as having taken over their 70's mantle of the only team to consistently put it up to Kerry their aul enemy.

i think this Dublin team are a bit tougher than previous years and if they get off to a good start can certainly give Tyrone a scare but Tyrone are resilent and very experienced. As we often hear they don't do panic so I think it could be a cracker game and hope its not a repeat of 2008 walk over cos the championship badly needs a few good games & often Tyrone & Dublin duly come up trumps.


I was looking earlier on today and could get lower Hogan just on the 21

Quote from: gerry on July 26, 2010, 06:13:17 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 26, 2010, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 26, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
TBH I am glad its a Saturday game, no hassle worrying about work the next day if I decide to have a few pints.

+1

Minus 1. Fecking working so not get going. On the bright side i will not have to drive to croker.

Going to miss this too. Second game of the championship that I will be missing this year >:(

If it had been on the Sunday I would have been able to go.

Anyone know what the cut off point is for opting out of this game for the Season Ticket?

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
I was sitting in the upper Canal surrounded by Dubs. When Keaney and co rattled off those 5 points the place was vibrating. It was tribal, frightening. If the Dubs ever get to an All-Ireland final I'd like to be there. Not this year hopefully.

I was somewhere similar when Mugsy scored THAT goal into the canal end.
Let a roar out of me and turned round with the fists clenched in celebration and realised I couldn't see another red and white shirt, just a sea of blue.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
I was sitting in the upper Canal surrounded by Dubs. When Keaney and co rattled off those 5 points the place was vibrating. It was tribal, frightening. If the Dubs ever get to an All-Ireland final I'd like to be there. Not this year hopefully.

was there in 95  and it was not a nice place to be. 

Mugsy's wonder goal (Fouled goal for the Armagh lads) was in the first match and the atmosphere wasn't just as good though I was up above the Medja with my nephew from Derry. Was his first senior game he was at and I'd say he'll not forget it

I'd love to be in the hill for once in one of this big games but alas not this time as we're in the lower Cusack again.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Mugsy's wonder goal (Fouled goal for the Armagh lads) was in the first match and the atmosphere wasn't just as good though I was up above the Medja with my nephew from Derry. Was his first senior game he was at and I'd say he'll not forget it

I'd love to be in the hill for once in one of this big games but alas not this time as we're in the lower Cusack again.

I was there for the Dubs in the QF final last year. It was surprisingly muted especially after Gooch hit the net 7 seconds in.

I suppose there's no point in guessing Mickey's corner backs. I'd imagine it'll be the same line out with O'Neill used late on if needed.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 11:50:24 PM
I suppose there's no point in guessing Mickey's corner backs. I'd imagine it'll be the same line out with O'Neill used late on if needed.

Don't know if I care to see Tommy start this one, McCullagh needs a good run out.

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 11:50:24 PM
I suppose there's no point in guessing Mickey's corner backs. I'd imagine it'll be the same line out with O'Neill used late on if needed.

McCarron moved to Full Back with Carlin on and Justy moved to Mid Field with CC moved to HF and Sean to FF and Tommy dropped?

I just want to see Justy out there >:(

Christ, Tyrone are so full sure they are going to win this that they are just patronizing the dubs...."yiz are great at the auld shouting and roaring lads"

Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2010, 12:08:06 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 11:50:24 PM
I suppose there's no point in guessing Mickey's corner backs. I'd imagine it'll be the same line out with O'Neill used late on if needed.

Don't know if I care to see Tommy start this one, McCullagh needs a good run out.

dont think you will have to worry about that Mac, hes out I believe for the forseeable future

Quote from: Cde on July 26, 2010, 11:05:48 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
I was sitting in the upper Canal surrounded by Dubs. When Keaney and co rattled off those 5 points the place was vibrating. It was tribal, frightening. If the Dubs ever get to an All-Ireland final I'd like to be there. Not this year hopefully.

was there in 95  and it was not a nice place to be.

+1! I remember being so depressed that evening/night/year.

I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Don't know if this has been mentioned but -

Tyrone attacker Tommy McGuigan is a major doubt for Saturday's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final against Dublin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8856261.stm

I fancy Tyrone to win this one by a brave margin, Dublin are not that great,

Had Armagh played any at all they would have beat them and likewise Louth, silly mistakes cost them the game.

Tyrone will nulify the Brogans, game over

Quote from: Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 08:47:55 AM
Tyrone will nulify the Brogans, game over

Alan Brogan isn't as dangerous as he once was. I don't think he will be of any special concern to Harte.

Hes a great ball carrier, and anytime he played tyrone he seemed to raise his game and cause a few problems

Poor Tommy won't be happy getting injured at this stage though maybe not as much competition for forwards as in other years should he get back in time or should we progress.

I can see how we must sound over confident and patronizing but from what I've seen of the Dubs & what their real GAA fans say I'd still be very hopeful of a few to Spare.

Good to see Enda back too. Could we see him go Half forward and Sean into Full Forward again

We're asking how good are Dublin, but how good are Tyrone?

They were abysmal in the league. In fact Ulster teams filled the bottom three positions in the top division. Tyrone beat Antrim and Down before disposing of Monaghan. Only Down remain, probably gone this weekend. If the Dubs turf Tyrone out this weekend, Ulster football is in the doldrums.

This weekend should show whether the 2010 Tyrone are just the best of a bad bunch or still contenders.

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Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Ah that old chestnut again.
I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

The only reason that Tyrone got behind Fermanagh was because you hate Armagh that much.  Nothing to do with Fermanagh

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:28:48 AM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 27, 2010, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Ah that old chestnut again.
I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

The only reason that Tyrone got behind Fermanagh was because you hate Armagh that much.  Nothing to do with Fermanagh

But Fermanagh people would support anyone in Ireland BUT Tyrone they are that bitter for some reason.  Whereas, if Tyrone where not competing, the whole county would be behind Fermanagh to win an Ulster title.

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 27, 2010, 09:37:05 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:28:48 AM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 27, 2010, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Ah that old chestnut again.
I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

The only reason that Tyrone got behind Fermanagh was because you hate Armagh that much.  Nothing to do with Fermanagh

But Fermanagh people would support anyone in Ireland BUT Tyrone they are that bitter for some reason.  Whereas, if Tyrone where not competing, the whole county would be behind Fermanagh to win an Ulster title.

Would not agree DD.  I for one would have supported Tyrone but for the attitude of Tyrone friends of mine who i was at the match with.  Was unreal. 
Another reason may have been the 2 stuffings that tyrone handed out to Fermanagh in the All Ireland quarter final and national league semi final in 03. 

If Fermanagh were competing there is no way that the whole of Tyrone would be behind Fermanagh.
The Trillick and Dromore ones would disagree

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:42:56 AM

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 27, 2010, 09:37:05 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:28:48 AM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 27, 2010, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Ah that old chestnut again.
I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

The only reason that Tyrone got behind Fermanagh was because you hate Armagh that much.  Nothing to do with Fermanagh

But Fermanagh people would support anyone in Ireland BUT Tyrone they are that bitter for some reason.  Whereas, if Tyrone where not competing, the whole county would be behind Fermanagh to win an Ulster title.

Would not agree DD.  I for one would have supported Tyrone but for the attitude of Tyrone friends of mine who i was at the match with.  Was unreal. 
Another reason may have been the 2 stuffings that tyrone handed out to Fermanagh in the All Ireland quarter final and national league semi final in 03. 

If Fermanagh were competing there is no way that the whole of Tyrone would be behind Fermanagh.
The Trillick and Dromore one would disagree

Agree with you here alright, the border clubs wouldnt wish that success on yis  ;D

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 27, 2010, 09:47:52 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:42:56 AM

Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 27, 2010, 09:37:05 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:28:48 AM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 27, 2010, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 07:36:43 AM
I'd imagine the Tyrone following will be 100% behind Down's effort in the first game. Hopefully they'll return the favour.

Absolutley. Hope it isn't like 2004 when we all got behind Fermanagh only for them to return by shouting for Mayo.

Ah that old chestnut again.
I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

The only reason that Tyrone got behind Fermanagh was because you hate Armagh that much.  Nothing to do with Fermanagh

But Fermanagh people would support anyone in Ireland BUT Tyrone they are that bitter for some reason.  Whereas, if Tyrone where not competing, the whole county would be behind Fermanagh to win an Ulster title.

Would not agree DD.  I for one would have supported Tyrone but for the attitude of Tyrone friends of mine who i was at the match with.  Was unreal. 
Another reason may have been the 2 stuffings that tyrone handed out to Fermanagh in the All Ireland quarter final and national league semi final in 03. 

If Fermanagh were competing there is no way that the whole of Tyrone would be behind Fermanagh.
The Trillick and Dromore one would disagree

Agree with you here alright, the border clubs wouldnt wish that success on yis  ;D

I have a feeling that the border boys on the Fermanagh side are going to have a long year this year.
Good luck on Sunday

Ah c'mon lads lets face facts that most of Ulster are a bit fed up with Tyrone now
Reading Brolly's article (Hiya Joe) last week made me laugh so much.
I love his shoot from the hip attitude and  his honesty of the Southern Medja but his point at the end I think is quite true that the "neutrals" are getting a bit bored now of our "Different Systems" and almost robotic approach to games now.

There is no longer the old style Tyrone Flair of fine wee footballers that win nothing that can put on a great show the odd time but collapse against the big boys.

Now its all game plans, tactics, Sweepers & rules & the dreaded SYSTEM. With minor team after minor team coming through each year I have to agree with Joe that for the outsider it's getting a wee bit boring in Ulster.

Whereas down here in Dublin, as soon as people hear I'm from Tyrone they shake yer hand and say
"Dee ye think ye'll beat Kerry again this year"
"Wasnt 2003 the way to show them what ye think of their 30 odd Sams"

I'm not sure how good or bad Tyrone are this year but I'm happy with a lot of aspects and in Mickey Harte I think we've the best manager in the business who has his eyes open to the talent he has and will play to his strengths.

That being said the amount of people I know who are ALL praying that some day he will take Justy out the field a bit. He's a great athlete and if we had him at MF with Hub, wow would that add a new dimension to this team. Maybe if McCarron can build on this year we could see that happen at some stage.
I'd hate to think Justy stays at FB for the rest of his Tyrone career.

Quote from: Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:06:21 AM
Hes a great ball carrier, and anytime he played tyrone he seemed to raise his game and cause a few problems

He seems to get very easily injured anytime Tyrone play Dublin in Championship football.

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Quote from: Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 09:06:21 AM
Hes a great ball carrier, and anytime he played tyrone he seemed to raise his game and cause a few problems

He seems to get very easily injured anytime Tyrone play Dublin in Championship football.

That would be Conor Gormley  :D

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:28:48 AM

I think you Tyrone boys were a wee bit arrogant that year and i remember being told how Tyrone were going to win the All Ireland and how they were going to send a reserve team to play Fermanagh in the semi.

That must have been a 30 second conversation bearing in mind the Tyrone and Mayo sides were on the field before the last Fermanagh player had left it. Are you sure about this? Were they entirely serious during those few seconds?

No Conor doesn't get too many injuries
Definitely Alan Brogan

O'Neill where did you get that left red hand avatar
Have you turned into a lefty?

Are you as pessimistic as ever for Saturday?

"The Red Hand of Ulster's a paradox quite,
To Baronets 'tis said to belong;
If they use the left hand, they're sure to be right,
And to use the right hand would be wrong.
For the Province, a different custom applies,
And just the reverse is the rule;
If you use the right hand you'll be right, safe and wise,
If you use the left hand you're a fool."

Far better craic bein the fool.

Yea, pessimism starting to seep in as the week progresses.

Dubs to turn the tables and give us an almighty hammering, signalling the end of a few careers and a return to the dark 

Quote from: FermGael on July 27, 2010, 09:42:56 AM
  I for one would have supported Tyrone but for the attitude of Tyrone friends of mine who i was at the match with.  Was unreal. 

I remember it was hard to listen to some of my fermanagh friends after they won the All Ireland B, it was unreal. Seriously. Will still support Down though.

Any word of a whistler announced for these games. Coldrick done a great job in the Ulster final. Don't want Kinneavy though he didn't do a bad job in the Tyrone Down game.

Quote from: Mr. Nakata on July 27, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
Any word of a whistler announced for these games. Coldrick done a great job in the Ulster final. Don't want Kinneavy though he didn't do a bad job in the Tyrone Down game.

It's Coldrick again.

the excitement of the 05 battles is really welll captured on that Dubs /pillar documentary shown in 2006.  That 5 minutes on the Tyrone dubs battle will whett the appetite for this game - must watch it tonight. 

Is there anywere online i can watch it?

Did Tyrone ever play Sligo in the championship since Mickey Harte became manager.?

Quote from: crossfire on July 27, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Did Tyrone ever play Sligo in the championship since Mickey Harte became manager.?

No. One and only championship meeting was in 2002 signaling the end of the McRory and Mc Kenna rein. Harte took up the ropes the next year.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278038/
thats about all Im capable of doing with it unfortunately.  O Neill should be able to help you better here.

Arguably the best draw we could have secured (feck, that 1984 humiliation still rankles  ;)), and no doubt the lads will rise to the occasion.

Hard to know how far the Dubs have really progressed; after that fluke result against Meath (had they played them again the next day, they may not even have lost, such were the wild odds on that particular permutation of a game panning out), they've motored fairly nicely, but still a few fundamental issues there I feel that the weak opposition in the last few games have not fully exposed, nor even exposed at all. Undeniably, the fact that most of that team carry no baggage of heavy defeat into the contest at this stage of the Championship is a plus, but the flip-side is that they don't carry much experience either of the challenge such as they'll face in Croke's cauldron on Saturday.

As for ourselves, 'twas like being transported back to 2003 in Clones at times, such was the martial precision of movement and almost telepathic organisation. And the application from some of the more seasoned heads harked back to the days of not so yore, none more so than the performance of Conor Gormley, the demise of whom as a County player after the NFL game against Dublin in Omagh one Dublin poster hereon hailed with ill-conceived glee (you know who you are  ;)).

Anyways, bring it on!

One side of me says that we are so bad that we could get another trimming but then again I don't really know how good Tyrone are as they've beaten no one of note yet. Knowing Mickey Harte though and those boys I reckon anything less than 8/9 points defeat would indicate progress for de cheeky Dubs.

PS - A real small part of me says we can get on a run and stuff them but that's heart rather then head.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2010, 02:27:59 PM

Quote from: crossfire on July 27, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Did Tyrone ever play Sligo in the championship since Mickey Harte became manager.?

No. One and only championship meeting was in 2002 signaling the end of the McRory and Mc Kenna rein. Harte took up the ropes the next year.

Here ye go, reports on that match..


http://archives.tcm.ie/sligoweekender/2002/07/26/story72.asp (http://archives.tcm.ie/sligoweekender/2002/07/26/story72.asp)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/2142637.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/2142637.stm)

Quote from: Declan on July 27, 2010, 03:32:06 PM
One side of me says that we are so bad that we could get another trimming but then again I don't really know how good Tyrone are as they've beaten no one of note yet. Knowing Mickey Harte though and those boys I reckon anything less than 8/9 points defeat would indicate progress for de cheeky Dubs.

PS - A real small part of me says we can get on a run and stuff them but that's heart rather then head.

Tyrone have beat Monaghan who handed out a hammering to a team that Dublin scraped by and also beat another team that is now also in the Quarters, so hardly anything of note.  I would actually say its Dublin who have played nobody of note apart from Meath who thrashed them.

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 27, 2010, 04:13:38 PM

Quote from: Declan on July 27, 2010, 03:32:06 PM
One side of me says that we are so bad that we could get another trimming but then again I don't really know how good Tyrone are as they've beaten no one of note yet. Knowing Mickey Harte though and those boys I reckon anything less than 8/9 points defeat would indicate progress for de cheeky Dubs.

PS - A real small part of me says we can get on a run and stuff them but that's heart rather then head.

Tyrone have beat Monaghan who handed out a hammering to a team that Dublin scraped by and also beat another team that is now also in the Quarters, so hardly anything of note.  I would actually say its Dublin who have played nobody of note apart from Meath who thrashed them.

Who should have lost to Louth who were hammered by Dublin. I think past results will count for very little.

Quote from: offtheground on July 27, 2010, 03:33:59 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 27, 2010, 02:27:59 PM

Quote from: crossfire on July 27, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Did Tyrone ever play Sligo in the championship since Mickey Harte became manager.?

No. One and only championship meeting was in 2002 signaling the end of the McRory and Mc Kenna rein. Harte took up the ropes the next year.

Here ye go, reports on that match..


http://archives.tcm.ie/sligoweekender/2002/07/26/story72.asp (http://archives.tcm.ie/sligoweekender/2002/07/26/story72.asp)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/2142637.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/2142637.stm)

GAA: Croker thriller as Sligo topple Tyrone


Sligo 1-14, Tyrone 0-12

TRUE superstars? Yeah, Sligo are getting closer. Much closer. In the maelstrom of what is an even bigger Croke Park, where expectations have increased in size, Sligo secured an All-Ireland quarter-final berth by virtue of an often splendid five-points (1-14 to 0-12) defeat of Tyrone: Peter Canavan's Tyrone.
Last Sunday's display was, at times, magnificent; Peter Ford's side exuded a level of resilience not witnessed since Sligo's last great episode at GAA headquarters, the 2001 All-Ireland SFC 'Qualifier' defeat of Kildare.
The game's only goal, when Dessie Sloyan venomously lashed the rebound from Gerry McGowan's point attempt in the 26th minute of the second period, lifted Sligo into the lead (1-12 to 0-12) for the first time in the second-half, a merited advantage which they never relinquished, but later enhanced thanks to late points from Sloyan, the goalscorer, and midfielder Paul Durcan, the team's oldest player.
This goal, Sligo's first-ever in the country's best-known and now finest Gaelic Games venue, re-directed the lead in Sligo's favour after 63 minutes of mostly trailing their opponents; Sligo, in fact, opened the scoring through Sloyan's floated point after 19 seconds.
What has almost become their recent trademark, Sligo, beaten Connacht finalists, initially allowed their opponents to strut; Tyrone, all subtle movement and clever passes, were six points ahead after 19 frantic minutes (0-8 to 0-2) with Peter Canavan, inevitably, waving a magician's wand.
The spell didn't last, though.
Sligo eventually stirred from their slumber as the first-half unfolded; last year's National League semi-finalists grew more menacing in defence, a change prompted by the 25th minute introduction of Neil Carew and due, also, to the presence in the starting 15 of Nigel Clancy, Noel McGuire and David Durkin.
This trio performed like they can, McGuire and Durkin confidently re-asserting themselves at this level.
At crucial moments of the first period when Tyrone's control of the game was almost overwhelming, Sligo midfielder Eamon O'Hara, assisted by Paul Durcan's solid toil, reached for the gods and tacked two much-needed points onto the scoreboard.
Sligo's attack improved, too.
Gerry McGowan, who failed to exploit a glorious second minute goal chance, began to drift into the wide expanses of Croker's luscious sward.
His team-mates began to find him with neater passes; McGowan, suitably supplied, began to frustrate Tyrone's corner-back, Conor Gormley, who was later substituted.
While the initiative of Kieran Quinn and Mark Breheny was noticeable, and Dessie Sloyan, although not at his maximum, struck the game's only goal (he was the team's top scorer with 1-3), it would be a travesty not to mention the work-rate of John McPartland and Dara McGarty.
The former Connacht Minor finalists were both superb; McPartland for his sheer industry: he foraged everywhere, particularly in defence.
McGarty was not only the energetic player as suggested by his encouraging appearances as a substitute, against Leitrim and Galway, he was much more.
McGarty was a creator of scores and a taker of opportunities, including four well-kicked points (the last of these, significantly, was the equalising point in the 20th minute of the second-half).
However, the Ulster side's interval advantage was two points (0-9 to 0-7); the best of their first-half scores were weaved by Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill.
Sligo's defence was sometimes too brittle in the opening quarter; Mark Cosgrove and Patrick Naughton among those who felt the pressure.
That this sector later showed composure owed much to the work of other players whose interceptions and harrying, further afield, alleviated and blunted Tyrone's force.
Sligo could have billowed Tyrone's net on at least four first-half occasions; McGowan, Quinn, Breheny and Sloyan either failed or were unlucky to prosper from encouraging scenarios.
Kieran Quinn's 35th minute effort sparked gasps as he pumped a shot just over Peter Ward's crossbar following a smoothly transferred pass from Mark Breheny.
At the other end, an important sixth minute interception from goalkeeper James Curran was enough to foil the goal thoughts of Brian McGuigan.
The second-half began ferociously; Peter Canavan's point, within seconds of the re-start, was almost immediately followed by a similar crisp score from Dara McGarty.
What made McGarty's effort hugely different, though, was that the shot, if struck lower, would have zoomed past Tyrone's net-minder Peter Ward.
It raised the hopes of the vast Sligo contingent; cheers exceeded the normal level when Paul Taylor, once defined as the county's talisman but in the last months stifled by injury, was brought on in the 11th minute of the second-half.
Three minutes before Taylor appeared Gerry McGowan had, perhaps, the game's clearest goal chance.
Sent through by John McPartland's deft pass, McGowan slipped past his marker before sliding the ball, via a low shot, past Peter Ward. The ball also skippped past the post.
McGowan needn't have worried; he was later to play a big role in Sloyan's goal as it was his point attempt, from Taylor's guided ball, which set up the chance.
Fate smiled, the ball smacked off the upright and Sloyan, faced with a chance that he rarely misses, did the rest.
The second-half, a period of 39 minutes which yielded only three Tyrone points, showed Sligo either playing exceptionally, or close to it.
The losers, in a rather shocking contrast to their first-half style, didn't score for the last 28 minutes.
Dara McGarty, Noel McGuire, John McPartland and David Durkin added to their reputations; Johnny Davey made his Championship debut and Seán Davey was introduced for the last 11 minutes.
Of the second-half points scored, Dara McGarty and Eamon O'Hara each lofted fine scores; Dessie Sloyan converted frees in a manner which echoed his contribution in last year's memorable humbling of Kildare. True superstars? Getting closer. Next stop: the All-Ireland SFC Championship quarter-final.

Sligo James Curran, Mark Cosgrove, Nigel Clancy, Brendan Phillips, Noel McGuire, David Durkin, Patrick Naughton, Paul Durcan (0-1), Eamon O'Hara (0-3), Dara McGarty (0-4), Mark Breheny (0-1), Kieran Quinn (0-1), Dessie Sloyan (1-3, 2f), John McPartland, Gerry McGowan (0-1, 1f)
Subs used Neil Carew, Paul Taylor, Seán Davey, Johnny Davey
Tyrone Peter Ward, Conor Gormley, Chris Lawn, Brian Robinson, Ryan McMenamin, Conor McGinley, Philip Jordan, Conor McAnallen (0-1), Colin Holmes, Brian Dooher, Pascal Canavan (0-1), Declan McCrossan, Brian McGuigan (0-1), Stephen O'Neill (0-2), Peter Canavan (0-7, 3f)
Subs used Ciaran Gourley, Kevin Hughes, Gerard Cavlan, Eoin Mulligan
Referee: John Bannon (Longfort) 

Brilliant report! Hardly a mention of a Tyrone player  :D. "Peter Canavan's Tyrone"...how things have changed. And that man Bannon! Conor for Cormac?

Thanks for the HUGE flag Fear
I have it above my desk at work now with a lot of unhappy Dubs walking about with matches.

That show on Dublin is available for download on www.irishtorrents.com

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Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2010, 11:50:24 PM
I suppose there's no point in guessing Mickey's corner backs. I'd imagine it'll be the same line out with O'Neill used late on if needed.

Don't know if I care to see Tommy start this one, McCullagh needs a good run out.

dont think you will have to worry about that Mac, hes out I believe for the forseeable future

Jaysus, have you an inside line or what...bate the BBC to it!

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 27, 2010, 04:34:27 PM
Thanks for the HUGE flag Fear
I have it above my desk at work now with a lot of unhappy Dubs walking about with matches.

You're welcome Fman, just don't give them my address  ;)

So who is supporting us in the first game or are ye all staying in the pubs.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
So who is supporting us in the first game or are ye all staying in the pubs.

I suppose Ye'll need the extra support as it's not the final. ;D

too true the early game on a saturday of the busiest bank holiday weekend of the year and the Golf on in Killarney too, there will be very few travelling I'd say. I'll be there though

 as a tyronie, living in dublin, surrounded by the jacks, they are mighty seriously confident that they will shock Tyrone on saturday afternoon with their new full forward eoghan the bomber o'gara causing alll the damage. IMO Tyrone midfield need to stop the supply of ball going into ogara & brogan or else we will be in serious trouble, hub needs to put the big basketballer on his backside first mission & colm cavanagh needs another big performance out of his skin otherwise justy & co will have very busy day.

So, have Down never lost to Kerry in the Championship - even at semi-final stage? What is it - 3-0?

As for Tyrone-Dublin it's 2-2 and one draw (Dublin 1984, 1995 - Tyrone 2005, 2008).

I think this should be a fairly easy one for us. Dublin have shown nothing imo to show that they have improved. I'd be surprised if the game isnt over with 15mins to go.

I have a feeling that Down will come through on the other side as kerry are past it and with T O'Se and Galvin missing they are there for the taking. I really think it could be an All Ulster final.

Beginning to get some nerves about saturday. Always special playing the dubs in a big game in Croker. Have to add a big + 1 to all those comments on the atmosphere in the 2nd half of the replay in 05. Don't think i will ever experience such an intense noise in a sporting venue ever again, it really was electric. I will never forget the stunned silence after Mugsy's goal into the hill either.

I'd imagine Harte will name the same 15 apart from Tommy in FF. Either SoN will come back into FF or a whole host of HF options (Mc Cullagh, B McGuigan, Mellon etc.) will start at 11 with Sean moving to FF.

Anyone know when season tickets will be released?

What do you Tyrone boys think of McCullagh as a player? Been to a lot of Tyrine games over last 5/6 years and he is one of the many players I admire but seems to have slipped down the picking order the last while. Has a very quick footballing brain and is very dangerous close to goal but whats he like on the local scene?

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
So who is supporting us in the first game or are ye all staying in the pubs.

We are in Dublin this weekend, will probably take a run up to it if the weather is ok, I assume tickets will be available on the day.

Recorded that 5 minute period on the phone of the 2005 game - not great quality but you get the jist in terms of atmosphere. (prob breaking copyright rules)  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3633ea-4I

You boys are going down :) and as for Down taking Kerry, not a chance!  Wishful thinking guys. All munster final this year with Kerry cruising it.

QuoteSo, have Down never lost to Kerry in the Championship - even at semi-final stage? What is it - 3-0?

Tis 4-0 at the moment 2 semis and 2 finals, but like yourselves they dont come out to play too often. We are there every year  ;)

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2010, 10:39:55 PM

QuoteSo, have Down never lost to Kerry in the Championship - even at semi-final stage? What is it - 3-0?

Tis 4-0 at the moment 2 semis and 2 finals, but like yourselves they dont come out to play too often. We are there every year  ;)

A man from the old school. Take a hit give a hit. No crying about it.

I have it on good authority that Mugsy's working on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKlucE-5nIM&feature=player_embedded

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Recorded that 5 minute period on the phone of the 2005 game - not great quality but you get the jist in terms of atmosphere. (prob breaking copyright rules)  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3633ea-4I

Mighty stuff O'Neill...I was sitting in the small section of Tyrone fans to the left of the tunnel in the Cusack/Canal end were all them points were swung over from. Was a cauldron of passion and noise stopped dead in it's tracks by the bleach haired assassin!

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 11:02:04 PM
I have it on good authority that Mugsy's working on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKlucE-5nIM&feature=player_embedded

Who's playing the fish?

Quote from: Pups on July 27, 2010, 10:38:30 PM
All munster final this year with Kerry cruising it.

What, yet another woeful anti-climax with the Cork boys bottling it and rolling over again? I don't think so  :P *

* And I don't mean by that that Cork won't bottle it and roll over again

Not sure where you're hearing that newboy DoohersArmy cos I've yet to meet one person from Dublin who gaves them any chance. Of course there is an element of cute hoorism but as you can see from their match attendances a lot don't rate this team and this is why they are playing this as  double header for the first time in years

Last year they nearly filled Croker for this league game and years before.

Poor Macauley was texting me looking for advice on Hub's weaknesses.
I said his lack of subtlety.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 27, 2010, 11:32:05 PM

Poor Macauley was texting me looking for advice on Hub's weaknesses.
I said his lack of subtlety.

Women from the Hill.

Quote from: Qwerty28 on July 27, 2010, 09:55:36 PM
What do you Tyrone boys think of McCullagh as a player? Been to a lot of Tyrine games over last 5/6 years and he is one of the many players I admire but seems to have slipped down the picking order the last while. Has a very quick footballing brain and is very dangerous close to goal but whats he like on the local scene?

He's immence.

Showing leadership here in the Championship final 2009

http://vimeo.com/7141047

The penalty, cool under pressure

http://vimeo.com/7131133

What happened next

http://vimeo.com/7133232

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Recorded that 5 minute period on the phone of the 2005 game - not great quality but you get the jist in terms of atmosphere. (prob breaking copyright rules)  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3633ea-4I

Disgraceful goal "celebration" from Mulligan. Typical of the kind of sportsmanship that we have come to expect from Tyrone.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 28, 2010, 03:11:16 AM

Quote from: ONeill on July 27, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Recorded that 5 minute period on the phone of the 2005 game - not great quality but you get the jist in terms of atmosphere. (prob breaking copyright rules)  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3633ea-4I

Disgraceful goal "celebration" from Mulligan. Typical of the kind of sportsmanship that we have come to expect from Tyrone.

Hook line and sinker :D

Nerves starting to creep in now, Tyrone seem to be most vulnerable at the Quarter Final stage, with the Mayo defeat in 2004, Meath loss in 2007 and the Kildare game was nip and tuck last year.  Hopefully Saturday progresses on from the last day out, with the side peaking at the right time this year.  Any word on team news?  After the personnel changes for the Down game it would be no surprise to see a few big changes for this one - anyone hear how Enda is coming along?  He seems to be a bit of a forgotten man who IMO is pretty under-rated outside Tyrone.  Arguably POTY in 2008 and if he is free of injury and has been getting the sessions under his belt he could well be in line for a start and could have a huge bearing on the game.  As someone else mentioned, is McCullagh in line for spot or has he slipped down the pecking order.  Saturdays game in the wide open space of Croker is crying out for his play making skills.  I hope that one of Brian McGuigan or McCullagh start at the weekend, huge improvement in the quality of ball to the inside forwards.  How fit is SON?  I know he hurt the heel, but has it been exaggerated as it seems and awful long time for a superficial injury.  Has anyone out around Ballyneaner, Donemana or Aughabrack spotted him out with the Marathon man much lately?  Finally, I was just viewing some old reports from 2005 and Mugsy is in some condition now compared to back then, seems to have trimmed down a bit and hopefully his season really sparks to life this weekend.  He has had a pretty good year so far without exactly catching fire, he seems to have become more of a team player but it would be good to see that bit of ruthlessness resurface again on Saturday, and with his record against Dublin its highly likely he will rise to the occasion.  How many goals has Mulligan scored against the Dubs in both League and Championship?

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 27, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
So who is supporting us in the first game or are ye all staying in the pubs.

A fair few Tyrone supporters will be in for the Minor game but most like myself will be shouting for Down in the 2nd match ;D

I remember Down fans around me in the 2005 final gave us great support so I will be more than willing to let out an odd gulder when they get a score on Saturday.

Quote from: nrico2006 on July 28, 2010, 08:57:03 AM
Nerves starting to creep in now, Tyrone seem to be most vulnerable at the Quarter Final stage, with the Mayo defeat in 2004, Meath loss in 2007 and the Kildare game was nip and tuck last year.  Hopefully Saturday progresses on from the last day out, with the side peaking at the right time this year.  Any word on team news?  After the personnel changes for the Down game it would be no surprise to see a few big changes for this one - anyone hear how Enda is coming along?  He seems to be a bit of a forgotten man who IMO is pretty under-rated outside Tyrone.  Arguably POTY in 2008 and if he is free of injury and has been getting the sessions under his belt he could well be in line for a start and could have a huge bearing on the game.  As someone else mentioned, is McCullagh in line for spot or has he slipped down the pecking order.  Saturdays game in the wide open space of Croker is crying out for his play making skills.  I hope that one of Brian McGuigan or McCullagh start at the weekend, huge improvement in the quality of ball to the inside forwards.  How fit is SON?  I know he hurt the heel, but has it been exaggerated as it seems and awful long time for a superficial injury.  Has anyone out around Ballyneaner, Donemana or Aughabrack spotted him out with the Marathon man much lately?  Finally, I was just viewing some old reports from 2005 and Mugsy is in some condition now compared to back then, seems to have trimmed down a bit and hopefully his season really sparks to life this weekend.  He has had a pretty good year so far without exactly catching fire, he seems to have become more of a team player but it would be good to see that bit of ruthlessness resurface again on Saturday, and with his record against Dublin its highly likely he will rise to the occasion.  How many goals has Mulligan scored against the Dubs in both League and Championship?

Don't forget 2001 either - The pattern is that Tyrone lose in the QF every time the Ulster v Connacht Semi Final pairing comes around.

Ahhh lads come on with yer patterns and superstitions.

I know years ago we used to lot let a certain person go to big games cos every game he went to we were sure to lose.

As a mate said to me when I told him that about me not going to any more Everton games
He replies

Its got bogg all to do with ye its just that ye are sh*te


I'll be taking the flag home from work this evening as its done enough winding up in here now
Too many non Dubs in my office anyways so they're all delighted to see it

We'll see how it goes down in Dublin 3. If we lose there will be all sorts knocking on my door.

Any more team news? Anyone at the training last night?

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 28, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Any more team news? Anyone at the training last night?

No one's allowed to go to the training Fuzzman!  Behind closed doors.

Quote from: Rois on July 28, 2010, 12:18:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 28, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Any more team news? Anyone at the training last night?

No one's allowed to go to the training Fuzzman!  Behind closed doors.

They're as bad as the Orange Order.

Got home yesterday and she had a Dublin flag hanging out the windy >:(. I didn't have a Ty flag at hand but I'll will soon and it's be twice as big ;D

Quote from: Rois on July 28, 2010, 12:18:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 28, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Any more team news? Anyone at the training last night?

No one's allowed to go to the training Fuzzman!  Behind closed doors.

So it would seem Rois, I hear snipers are hiding in the bushes around clogher ready to take out anyone who tries to take a sneak peek at the Tyrone camp, thats why they train down there  ;D

Really? Wow

A mutual friend Rois was telling me he was going up last night to have a look.
How long have they being doing that for now?

With the exception of poor Tommy have we any other team news?
Are we expecting SoN to start?
Will we see Ricey & MCCarron keep their places.

Not sure how long they've been doing it Fuzzman, just heard a funny story last Thurs about someone trying to deliver tickets to the players being denied admission by stewards from the club. 

Quote from: doohersarmy on July 27, 2010, 07:44:30 PM
as a tyronie, living in dublin, surrounded by the jacks, they are mighty seriously confident that they will shock Tyrone on saturday afternoon with their new full forward eoghan the bomber o'gara causing alll the damage. IMO Tyrone midfield need to stop the supply of ball going into ogara & brogan or else we will be in serious trouble, hub needs to put the big basketballer on his backside first mission & colm cavanagh needs another big performance out of his skin otherwise justy & co will have very busy day.

IMO from what i've seen bar two fairly lucky goals against a horrible louth full back line O'Gara is not worth his place. He's rubbish - Justy McMahon will give him a major roasting and he'll do well to stay the 70. I think Tyrone will do it if they contain BB however if your relying on CC to win us the game then we are in big trouble. The only area of the field i'm concerned about is lar na pairc!

Anyone know what size of a crowd we can expect? Will it be anywhere near a full house?

I can remember a horrible sinking feeling when Dublin relegated Tyrone this year - and I felt the good times may be over.  Was talking to a few Dublin mates in the pub after the game and their feeling was that Tyrone were done, Conor Gormley was done and that it would be a few years before they would be meeting Tyrone again. It just added to the feeling of bitter disappointment at the time and that hurt of Dublin putting us down perhaps can be in some way rectified if we can get a win on Saturday.  Come on Tyrone lets exact revenge for the Dubs sending us to division 2. 

Not too much long grass around the city but theres lots out in rural Fingal. Watch out for an ambush.

I heard one of the Cork selectors was travelling up to Tyrone last year looking at the training sessions. Kerry keep an eye on Cork too in that regard.

All lower levels sold out. Hill16 close to sold out.

Looking like a fairly big crowd.

Reckon IRFU will be a tad miffed that their "opening" of the Aviva stadium won't grab the headlines this weekend.

Whats on at Aviva ?

QuoteKerry keep an eye on Cork too in that regard.

Cork have been spying on us in Killarney for years with little effect.

 ::)

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dublin-and-tyrone-lock-horns-again-in-rivalry-that-brings-out-the-worst-in-both-2274599.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dublin-and-tyrone-lock-horns-again-in-rivalry-that-brings-out-the-worst-in-both-2274599.html)


They've brought the best out of each other. And they have certainly brought the worst out of each other.

For Tyrone and Dublin the last decade has thrown up a cornucopia of different standards -- much good, some bad and plenty of ugly.

The good has its source in the quality of the two All-Ireland quarter-finals in 2005, a vintage year for football, and the free-flowing nature of their 2009 Croke Park league clash to celebrate 125 years of the GAA -- when experimental playing rules gave a glimpse of the future that was ultimately rejected by Congress just over two months later.

The bad has been almost the exclusive domain of Dublin, particularly their 2008 All-Ireland quarter-final collapse. Tyrone, though, will reflect on the last meeting between the sides in April, when Dublin put them to the sword by six points and condemned them to Division 2 league football in 2011.

The ugly? That has nearly always simmered between these rivals -- in Parnell Park, in Omagh and Croke Park.

It has resulted in flashpoints between managers and rival players, substitutes and local stewards, red and yellow cards aplenty and a match that one of the most experienced referees in the game came close to calling off.

On Saturday they're back to do it all again, their 10th meeting in both league and championship since Mickey Harte assumed control of Tyrone in 2003.

It's been a head-to-head to match any other in recent times. While Tyrone have had Armagh up north and Dublin will always have Meath and Kerry, together the nouveau rivalry of the pair has evolved into probably the most compelling of the last decade, providing more fascination than the duopoly in the south west.

Why else would the GAA choose them to launch their 125 celebrations and to celebrate the switching on of the floodlights before 80,000 in Croke Park?

Why else would Pat Gilroy namecheck Tyrone more than any other team, in his desire to perfect a new modus operandi for Dublin's style of play?

Why else would the 'Blue Book', the clandestine bible complete with a seven point creed sworn upon by Dublin squad members in 2008, describe Omagh 2006 as a "day we crossed the line together as a Dublin squad hasn't done in years".

Why else would Harte afford himself a wry smile when news of the quarter-final pairings filtered through?

Difficult

It's difficult to gauge where the genesis of this new rivalry has stemmed from. The first league match of 2004 in Parnell Park may be a starting point.

Tommy Lyons was under pressure as Dublin manager after a turbulent 2003, but when Tyrone came to the capital as All-Ireland champions the following year, the locals were determined to lay down markers.

It cut both ways. Dublin's Senan Connell was stretchered off after only four minutes after sustaining a blow, 10 players were yellow-carded, including Stephen O'Neill twice, which earned him a red. Dublin won narrowly, 0-9 to 0-8, and Lyons was satisfied his team had turned a corner.

Twelve months later, under the direction of Paul Caffrey, Dublin made the return trip to Omagh and met with a hostile reception.

Warm-up protocols weren't properly observed. Local stewards had angry words with Dublin substitutes, who were later moved out of the stands at the request of Dublin management. Tyrone won easily and later that summer, in a much more benign atmosphere, rebooted their season with a quarter-final replay win, providing two of the best games of the 2005 championship.

From Ciaran Whelan's majestic dominance for much of the first day, to Owen Mulligan's wonder goal and Harte's sideline genius -- it had it all.

Dublin took it on the chin, but stored it in the memory. When the league resumed, their trip to Omagh took on a new meaning.

What followed was the low point of their rivalry with four players red-carded and another five facing charges of disrepute that ultimately collapsed because of procedural difficulties.

It was best encapsulated in the words of the referee that day, Paddy Russell, in his autobiography 'Final Whistle'.

"The fall-out left me on the brink of retirement. It was the most disappointing and upsetting day of my years refereeing. It wasn't just the players who were on edge. The crowd also seemed geared up and there was a worryingly bad atmosphere. The stewards were local and there was no police presence. That was frightening," recalled Russell.

Twelve months later, as the lights went on in Croke Park, Dublin looked to have done enough, but a late rally from Tyrone -- as the red-carded Ryan McMenamin and Caffrey traded angry words on the sideline over a challenge on Jason Sherlock -- proved enough.

Two years ago Tyrone came into the corresponding quarter-final under a cloud, as they struggled through the qualifiers.

Dublin, on the other hand, looked right at the peak of their powers after dismantling Wexford in the Leinster final. But within 25 minutes the dream was over for Dublin for another year, the first of three crushing Croke Park defeats in successive years bringing an end to Caffrey's reign. Harte had trumped them once again with another redraft.

Recent leagues provided entertaining football and the edge of the mid 2000s seems to have abated for both teams.

For the first time Tyrone come to Croke Park to meet Dublin in an All-Ireland quarter-final as Ulster champions, Dublin come through the back door.

It's a role reversal that may not mean a result reversal, however.

Quotes from the Indo take up to much space here. A link would do and then I could avoid them altogether.

feck the indo and the bulsiht it is spouting over 'rows' between Dubs and the red arses.
A row in omagh and not even a minor scuffle in parnell pk means feck all.
In championship matches in recent years the games have been fantastic occasions. The craic and chat between fans after the drawn game was superb. the way GAA fans usually do things !
The game under lights and the 125 celebration game last year were both fantastic nights and all games played with good temperment.
I only hope this weekend is as good. Certainly the Dubs, Downies, kerryites and the red arses will make for a great vocal crowd !
Hard to know who the kerry folk will cheer for (or is it against !!)
:D

QuoteHard to know who the kerry folk will cheer for

Neither team just hope its a decent game of football.

Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 28, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
feck the indo and the bulsiht it is spouting over 'rows' between Dubs and the red arses.
A row in omagh and not even a minor scuffle in parnell pk means feck all.
In championship matches in recent years the games have been fantastic occasions. The craic and chat between fans after the drawn game was superb. the way GAA fans usually do things !
The game under lights and the 125 celebration game last year were both fantastic nights and all games played with good temperment.
I only hope this weekend is as good. Certainly the Dubs, Downies, kerryites and the red arses will make for a great vocal crowd !
Hard to know who the kerry folk will cheer for (or is it against !!)
:D

Kerry I presume. Less of the Red Arse stuff  :D

Shall we bring Sam along for ye all to have a gawk at ?

Quote from: Zapatista on July 28, 2010, 04:50:54 PM
Kerry I presume. Less of the Red Arse stuff  :D

clue....Dublin v Tyrone thread ...

if yer worried about chapped cheeks then stop hanging about the george or bring vaseline with yez !!
;) ;D

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Shall we bring Sam along for ye all to have a gawk at ?

dont bother - no point - sure the red arses will be sick of looking at it this time next year !!
;)

Jeez what a combination of tradition and nouveaux riche on Saturday!  therell be Down men, pockets stuffed with mildewey punts from under the bed, stored from the last time they were in Dublin, Kerry men who'll be saving every penny for the annual all ireland weekend with their lo-cost ham sandwiches, Tyrone men who have eveything mortgaged to the hilt producing iou's to all who'll take them,  and the dubs who cant get credit from anywhere, with nothing in their pockets, but  photocopies of euros gone by.  I would fancy trying to sell that lot burgers...

...and Tyrone the cheeky upstarts.

Kerry - 36
Dublin  - 22
Down - 5
Tyrone - 3

On the other side of the draw

Meath - 7
Cork - 6
Kildare - 4
Roscommon - 2

Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2010, 06:05:41 PM
...and Tyrone the cheeky upstarts.

Kerry - 36
Dublin  - 22
Down - 5
Tyrone - 3

On the other side of the draw

Meath - 7
Cork - 6
Kildare - 4
Roscommon - 2

Yeah, but in the modern era...


...and Dublin and Down the cheeky upstarts.

Kerry - 4
Tyrone - 3
Dublin  - 0
Down - 0

On the other side of the draw

Meath - 0
Cork - 0
Kildare - 0
Roscommon - 0

;) :D

Oh yeh we mustn't forget to only count from the years Tyrone started winning AI's. How silly of us!! :-\

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2010, 06:43:17 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2010, 06:05:41 PM
...and Tyrone the cheeky upstarts.

Kerry - 36
Dublin  - 22
Down - 5
Tyrone - 3

On the other side of the draw

Meath - 7
Cork - 6
Kildare - 4
Roscommon - 2

Yeah, but in the modern era...


...and Dublin and Down the cheeky upstarts.

Kerry - 4
Tyrone - 3
Dublin  - 0
Down - 0

On the other side of the draw

Meath - 0
Cork - 0
Kildare - 0
Roscommon - 0

;) :D

2000,2004,2006,2007,2009 = 5 in the Modern era in anyone's book, or are we talking about when a football was kicked over the Armagh county bounds to Tyrone in 2003.

I thought Jack O Connor didnt count 06 and 07

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 07:36:37 PM
2000,2004,2006,2007,2009 = 5 in the Modern era in anyone's book, or are we talking about when a football was kicked over the Armagh county bounds to Tyrone in 2003.

Good man KM, although I was expecting a more vicious bite  ;)

I would count 2001 as the first year of the current Millennium (I know Y2K was celebrated as the beginning, but it actually wasn't the beginning, it was the end of the previous -- there was no year zero, except in Pol Pot's Cambodia).

Quote"The fall-out left me on the brink of retirement. It was the most disappointing and upsetting day of my years refereeing. It wasn't just the players who were on edge. The crowd also seemed geared up and there was a worryingly bad atmosphere. The stewards were local and there was no police presence. That was frightening," recalled Russell.

Look, lets call a spade a spade. Tyrone have thuggish crowds which we also witnessed, it wasn't just Dublin.

Louth win that 'accolade' this year.

louth were robbed of a Leinster title. The battle of Omagh and the game against us were just league games.
No excuse for that kind of behavior. You can tell that its more of a soccer crowd that ye have up there.

Ach away over to the Kerry thread with ye. Your obsession with everything Tyrone reinforces the argument that Tyrone are the ghost that won't go away. Get over it. Even if the Dubs win on Saturday it still reads: Mickey Harte 3 Any Kerry manager/team 0

And remind me again,was it a Tyrone supporter or a Kerry supporter that attacked Paidi on the sideline after we humiliated you in 03?
Roughest type of f**king animals :D

see kevin mcstay tips the redhands on saturday, in the evening herald quoting 'Tyrone a step too far the Dubs', i'd be worried we are been set up for a fall.

How the tables have turn since 2008, tyrone quoted at 4/9 & the dubs 9/4 against by paddy power similar odds were being bet against Tyrone then.  i'd rather be the underdog

Quotei'd rather be the underdog

The second placed team of the last decade should be used to being favourites , its par for the course if you claim to be one of the greats.

There's no doubt that Tyrone are facing new territory v Dublin in terms of playing in Croker as favourites against the hosts. But you have to think - if you want to be a really great team, this shouldn't matter. Kerry are lumbered with the favourites tag in every game. Tyrone are favourites because they have the pedigree.

Optimist:

Tyrone are light years ahead of Dublin in terms of development. Perhaps the Jacks won't concede as much as in the past but in terms of 1-15 Tyrone are on a different planet as regards ability and know-how.

Pessimist:

Cork was the game that told us this Tyrone side were done. They have been relegated since and won a very poor Ulster competition. Dublin will be the final nail in a few coffins.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 09:43:59 PM

Quotei'd rather be the underdog

The second placed team of the last decade should be used to being favourites , its par for the course if you claim to be one of the greats.

To be the best you have to beat the best...yous having beat us ...soooooo whos the best??

So hard to call this, saw the dubs live last weekend and while impressive in parts Louth let them play in the first 20 and it should have been all over after the goals, but they did not kill the game, Likewise at the Ulster final Monaghan backed off Tyrone who grasped the opportunity and would not let go. If Tyrone get the opportunity they will strangle the Dubs as Meath did, I just have not seen thebottle of the Dubs yet

yeah but it was always sweeter, when your being underated & you go out & stuff the opposition.

similar feelings have been experienced when we out classed the highly fancied kingdom in AI finals, it just makes victory taste that we bit better.

Looks like the favourites tag dosen't sit comfortably with some of youse Tyrone supporters!!

Throughout Ulster it did. v Wexford it did in '08 and Kildare '09. However, there's always a bit of doubt playing a team in their home patch.

Dublin have 19 more All-Irelands than Tyrone, like Down they can come from a low base to win the whole thing.

just don't think we've shown the class this year that we shown in previous years when we've made a serious challenge, with the greatest respect to the teams we've played they haven't been top quality Although meeting dublin in the quarters has twice ignited our season, so i'm hoping for a big performance from our forwards, that will put is in the right  state of mind to take on a physical cork side, if that respective match goes to form.

Hard to call any of these games at this stage as we have teams who haven't played outside their provinces yet.  Have been talking Dublin up all week in my head, but I just watched the re-run of the Louth match.  Dublin were pretty poor.  Louth gave them acres of space and yet there only were three scores between them in the end.  Dublin didn't look to gave any gameplan, were very disjointed outside of their defence.  A lot of the players seemed to be blowing hard half way through the second half.  Too muscle-bound?  BB only got one point from play.  The crowd were fairly flat too and I suspect that they were far from 'blown away'.
If Tyrone played Louth in that form, they would have been relentlessly ruthless.
I suppose Dublin have always been very dependant on goals  and they could win any game with two or three sucker-punch goals-that's the danger. 
I would be very surprised if Tyrone don't win this one.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Shall we bring Sam along for ye all to have a gawk at ?

Probably wouldn't be able to find it in time.

It's well known that no one in Kerry could be arsed bringing it around the county so its thrown into a cupboard somewhere and left there until its time to give it back to Tyrone.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 28, 2010, 10:15:37 PM
Hard to call any of these games at this stage as we have teams who haven't played outside their provinces yet.  Have been talking Dublin up all week in my head, but I just watched the re-run of the Louth match.  Dublin were pretty poor.  Louth gave them acres of space and yet there only were three scores between them in the end.  Dublin didn't look to gave any gameplan, were very disjointed outside of their defence.  A lot of the players seemed to be blowing hard half way through the second half.  Too muscle-bound?  BB only got one point from play.  The crowd were fairly flat too and I suspect that they were far from 'blown away'.
If Tyrone played Louth in that form, they would have been relentlessly ruthless.
I suppose Dublin have always been very dependant on goals  and they could win any game with two or three sucker-punch goals-that's the danger. 
I would be very surprised if Tyrone don't win this one.

That's what I wanna hear. Get feckin wired into them.

Quote from: Gaffer on July 28, 2010, 10:17:24 PM

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Shall we bring Sam along for ye all to have a gawk at ?

Probably wouldn't be able to find it in time.

It's well known that no one in Kerry could be arsed bringing it around the county so its thrown into a cupboard somewhere and left there until its time to give it back to Tyrone.

yerra, when ye will have had it for as long as we have ye will undestand too so say no more. If we never again won an AI until ye caught up with us we'll all be fairly greyer over the ears !!

Just got my tickets on Ticketmaster this evening - like many posters I hate having to pay the 3.5 euro commission but what can you do especially given the short timeframe to get tickets. It's hard to guage Tyrone's performances this year - many will argue that they haven't beat a good team yet - although I would guess many of those would have predicted that Monaghan would turn them over in the Ulster final. Even if Tyrone do beat Dublin on Saturday I'm sure that there will be those who will say that they have not yet have been properly tested.  IMHO Tyrone should win this but they need to prevent Dublin building up a head of steam early on - keep it tight early on and I think Tyrone can win this fairly comfortably although I can't see them running away with it.

Quote from: north down on July 28, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
I hate having to pay the 3.5 euro commission but what can you do especially given the short timeframe to get tickets.

Become a member of the GAA?

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 09:43:59 PM

Quotei'd rather be the underdog

The second placed team of the last decade should be used to being favourites...

Ah no, I wouldn't say making the final in '95, and the semis in '96 would entitle us to that particular tag  :P

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2010, 10:41:28 PM

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 09:43:59 PM

Quotei'd rather be the underdog

The second placed team of the last decade should be used to being favourites...

Ah no, I wouldn't say making the final in '95, and the semis in '96 would entitle us to that particular tag  :P

Here we go again!  ::) - How about starting another thread for this?

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 28, 2010, 10:51:07 PM
Here we go again!  ::) - How about starting another thread for this?

Your horror is showing!  :D

 Anyway, back to the game - this championship is all set up for Tyrone. Dublin are shite and have been all year so they'll get bate by Tyrone (probably in 2nd gear) on sat.  Cork are dung as well. When they couldn't beat a depleted Kerry side after 2 gos and nearly handed the match to Limerick last sat evening says it all. Tyrone must be out and out favourites to take Sam on loan for a year from the great Kingdom. (I'm off to Paddy power.com to check the price!)

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 28, 2010, 08:30:58 PM

Quote"The fall-out left me on the brink of retirement. It was the most disappointing and upsetting day of my years refereeing. It wasn't just the players who were on edge. The crowd also seemed geared up and there was a worryingly bad atmosphere. The stewards were local and there was no police presence. That was frightening," recalled Russell.

Look, lets call a spade a spade. Tyrone have thuggish crowds which we also witnessed, it wasn't just Dublin.

That's right, we're fcukin' animals, and of the roughest type at that... no wait... that was yourselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78c8HXWiZcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78c8HXWiZcc)

:D

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
That's right, we're fcukin' animals, and of the roughest type at that... no wait... that was yourselves...

Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

We are.

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
That's right, we're fcukin' animals, and of the roughest type at that... no wait... that was yourselves...

Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

With just 3 AI's???

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 28, 2010, 11:20:05 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 28, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
That's right, we're fcukin' animals, and of the roughest type at that... no wait... that was yourselves...

Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

With just 3 AI's???

Yeah, Kerry have spoiled there own fun with all those AIs.

Quote from: Zapatista on July 28, 2010, 11:18:59 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

We are.

Why so uncomfortable with the favourites tag then so?

Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2010, 11:36:18 PM
Haven't bothered reading back but are Tyrone uncomfortable with the favourites tag for this game? If so, what the fcuk?
No harm but Dublin are crap and Tyrone will beat them handy enough.

What he said only a little more subtle.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 28, 2010, 11:33:51 PM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 28, 2010, 11:18:59 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

We are.

Why so uncomfortable with the favourites tag then so?

Tyrone still have a great inferiority complex wrt the traditional powers no matter what bluster they come out with.

QuoteTyrone still have a great inferiority complex wrt the traditional powers no matter what bluster they come out with.

Quite possibly Mike but by God has it not worked well for us against the Kingpins of football over the last few years :)

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 29, 2010, 12:26:58 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on July 28, 2010, 11:33:51 PM

Quote from: Zapatista on July 28, 2010, 11:18:59 PM

Quote from: Frank Casey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
Jeez - ye'll be claiming ye're the aristocrats of football next.

We are.

Why so uncomfortable with the favourites tag then so?

Tyrone still have a great inferiority complex wrt the traditional powers no matter what bluster they come out with.

I agree Mike. If Tyrone are as good as their fans think their is -this should be a walk in the park. Lets be quite clear here a narrow win for Tyrone on Saturday indicates a repeat of last year when Cork get a hold of them. There are 5 guys starting for Dublin on Saturday who wouldn't make my squad of 30 players. If Tyrone can't win on Saturday by at least 8 points - its the end of the road for this Tyrone team.

As I said if we were playing Kerry on Saturday they'd be talking about the margin of victory not whether they'll beat us or not. Why does the favourites tag not sit well with Tyrone? They should be taking bets on the likely margin of victory not whether the underdogs tag suits Dublin or not.
Perhaps Tyrone aren't as good as their fans think they are? Or maybe they are aware of it and are in denail? But as I said anything less then a comfortable Tyrone win over one of the most average Dublin teams in my lifetime indicates to me the show is over for this crew.

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 28, 2010, 10:22:24 PM

Quote from: Gaffer on July 28, 2010, 10:17:24 PM

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Shall we bring Sam along for ye all to have a gawk at ?

Probably wouldn't be able to find it in time.

It's well known that no one in Kerry could be arsed bringing it around the county so its thrown into a cupboard somewhere and left there until its time to give it back to Tyrone.

yerra, when ye will have had it for as long as we have ye will undestand too so say no more. If we never again won an AI until ye caught up with us we'll all be fairly greyer over the ears !!

So there it is folks!! Confirmed !!!
Kerry ones fire Sam into a cupboard for a year.
No respect whatsoever !!!

Quote from: INDIANA on July 29, 2010, 12:41:43 AM
I agree Mike. If Tyrone are as good as their fans think their is -this should be a walk in the park. Lets be quite clear here a narrow win for Tyrone on Saturday indicates a repeat of last year when Cork get a hold of them. There are 5 guys starting for Dublin on Saturday who wouldn't make my squad of 30 players. If Tyrone can't win on Saturday by at least 8 points - its the end of the road for this Tyrone team.

As I said if we were playing Kerry on Saturday they'd be talking about the margin of victory not whether they'll beat us or not. Why does the favourites tag not sit well with Tyrone? They should be taking bets on the likely margin of victory not whether the underdogs tag suits Dublin or not.
Perhaps Tyrone aren't as good as their fans think they are? Or maybe they are aware of it and are in denail? But as I said anything less then a comfortable Tyrone win over one of the most average Dublin teams in my lifetime indicates to me the show is over for this crew.

You're a gas man for the hyperbole. There's not a Tyrone supporter here that wouldn't be happy with a 1 point win on Saturday and that's nothing to do with a lack of confidence. The Dubs will be uber motivated after their 08/09 QF capitulations and they'll not be lacking in belief after out-muscling and out footballing Tyrone as well as scoring 2-10 in the 1st half against virtually the same 6 defenders in Healy Park in April.

Forget 2008 as the apparition it was and look back at 2005 - that Dublin team was much less talented than a Tyrone team that should have been in its pomp and yet they held them to a draw and would probably have beaten them only for Mugsy's wonder goal. And, as O'Neill's youtube clip earlier in the week showed, they were well in contention in the replay until Mulligan struck again.

Tyrone are traditionally wary of Quarter Finals because we've been caught at this stage 3 times in the last decade by teams that we would have been expected to beat. Do I think the Dubs will beat us? No, but I didn't expect Meath, Mayo or Derry to beat us either. However, I genuinely can't see Tyrone beat providing Dooher, Cavanagh, O'Neill, the McMahon's and Conor Gormley are all 100% - it has been injuries to guys like them that have cost us at this stage before.

All the evidence points towards a fairly easy Tyrone win so its hard to understand the Tyrone attitude.

The fact is that you have never been able to bear the burden of favourites. True champions are able to deal with it. You lads do cartwheels to try and lower expectations and treat favouritism like it was the plague. It's more that the usual poor mouthing or cute-hoorism. There seems to be a genuine fear of being favourites which can only be explained by some deep-seated, lingering inferiority complex.
   

Big Sean says it'll be a dogfight, a war of attrition.. http://www.youtube.com/user/Hill16Dubs//

There are plenty in Tyrone who are very confident. There are those who are cautious. However, how the average Joe thinks means nothing. You might find that the favourite's tag sits very comfortably with the players, and that's all that matters.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 28, 2010, 08:30:58 PM
Look, lets call a spade a spade. Tyrone have thuggish crowds which we also witnessed, it wasn't just Dublin.

Rather be a just a thug than a "f***ing ANIMAL" :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78c8HXWiZcc

You'd really need to be some sort of eh... one of the afore mentioned "F***ing Animals", to run onto the pitch and punch your own teams manager too I'd say!!
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Gaelic+Football:+PAIDI+REIGN+MAY+SOON+BE+OVER;+Kerry+chiefs+begin+to...-a0106927840

QuoteRather be a just a thug than a "f***ing ANIMAL"

We knew it all along, woof woof

What is all this chat about not being comfortable with the favourite tag? I'm very comfortable with it. Tyrone look quite good at this stage and Dublin look average at best. I think Tyrone will win with some to spare. Any Tyrone man that says otherwise is mad IMO.

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/africa_enl_1218698138/img/1.jpg)

This man is very confident of an 8-point victory.

Well I'm happy to put my money where my mouth, I put 500 on the lads to do the business with at least 4 points to spare.

Can't believe what I've read on this page as I was thinking to myself I better tone down my over confidence as some could see it as almost arrogance

Most of us we all very confident v Monaghan despite all their hype and many on here thought we were nuts & down right arrogant. I and many other lads on here have said we think Dublin are well down the 2nd tier of teams and although they've changed their style & system a bit this year I still think they are very beatable as Meath showed.

Lots of lads come on here and play down everything and never speak their mind in case they lose and have egg on their face. As I tell the Dubs in my work, look at the fun you'll have next week should ye win. I've built it up nicely for them but sure the banter is great. Better than all this ahhh we're not that good and we havent  been tested yet craic. If we lose we lose and we'll deal with it but to me this Tyrone squad is better than 2008 and if we had Aidan Cassidy back we could have a strong MF as well

Tyrone by 1.  ;D

I'm out in Lebannon at the minute and I was wondeering if anyone knows of an Irish bar in Beirut that will be showing the game on Saturday?

If not, then any links will be greatly appreciated.

Should be a cracker of a match, and Tyrone by 8.............

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2010, 10:48:43 AM

Lots of lads come on here and play down everything and never speak their mind in case they lose and have egg on their face.  Better than all this ahhh we're not that good and we havent  been tested yet craic.

Can't think of anyone who's not honest in their posts. Who does this?

You're right O'Neill
I just made that up
;D ;D

Looking forward to Thur night 9pm as the team is announced
Anyone wanna take a stab at what Mr Harte has up his sleevies this time

Will he really shock us all and play McCarron at FB to mark baldy and move Justy to MF with CC named at 15 but plays as 3rd midfielder

Nah..

I would like to see McGinley get back in though but not sure who for.
Could Carlin come in for Ricey or dare I say Da..
Nah

We'll leave it as it is

Has Packie bagged an allstar? Has he already got one?

Our confidence is kept in reserve, us northernerers are frugal modest sort, we dont have holiday homes all around the world - not much point in having a turkish holiday home if you havent the credit card to pay for the flights over.   we take satisfaction in a job well done, not blowing about how many all irelands we've won or writing off our opposition.   We have respect for the Dubs and their fans and we want to save it all up to give them a right ribbin after the match.  But Id be confident that if we can perform to our best we'll bate the Dubs alright, but I felt when I seen them click during the national league match that this team can go far.  I really havent seent them click since, and quarter finals are where these things happen.  But Ive no doubt that Pat Gilroy is expecting a win on Saturday as much as Mickey Harte is.   

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
You're right O'Neill
I just made that up
;D ;D

Looking forward to Thur night 9pm as the team is announced
Anyone wanna take a stab at what Mr Harte has up his sleevies this time

Will he really shock us all and play McCarron at FB to mark baldy and move Justy to MF with CC named at 15 but plays as 3rd midfielder

Nah..

I would like to see McGinley get back in though but not sure who for.
Could Carlin come in for Ricey or dare I say Da..
Nah

We'll leave it as it is

Has Packie bagged an allstar? Has he already got one?

I would say he is strong favourite for an all star at the moment. No other standout goalkeeping performances this year apart from McConnell. It would be his first following in the footsteps of his big brother who got one in 1996.

Just read Cavanagh's interview in the Irish News.
Interesting he also says this is the strongest squad that we've had.

I think people are reading too much into Dublin's performance in the league up in Omagh
Sure they played well and Tyrone were well behind them but Dublin looked to put a lot of effort into the league this year and seemed much fitter that most teams.

Pride before the Fall???????

While my head is still saying Tyrone I have to say that as a Dub I am extremely heartened by the utterances of the Tyrone people. Very similiar scenario imo to Crossmaglen v Crokes AICF  in 2009.

Would still be happier with O'Carroll no 2 and O'Sullivan starting on Saturday.

However I can safely say that there is an almost maniacal desire here in Dublin to win this game , which Tyrone underestimate at their peril.

Btw, I have been very wrong about Dublin's prospects in the past.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 29, 2010, 02:55:47 AM
All the evidence points towards a fairly easy Tyrone win so its hard to understand the Tyrone attitude.

The fact is that you have never been able to bear the burden of favourites...

Uh?  ::)

I'm as cocky about this game as a cocked-hat full of peacocks at the annual cocky coquetry contest, and you can't get much cockier than that  ;)

Yeah maybe yis are right.

If we talk them up too much its sure to have a negative effect on the team and Mickey would never have taken that into account.

Dubs by 2

I just hope its a good game and not the one painted by Sean Cavanagh in the paper.
The last thing we want is both teams playing a dour foul ridden defensive match or this famous War of attrition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition)

Quote from: Canalman on July 29, 2010, 01:10:21 PM
However I can safely say that there is an almost maniacal desire here in Dublin to win this game , which Tyrone underestimate at their peril.

As someone (O'Neill?) said earlier, Tyrone fans are a completely different kettle of fish from the Tyrone team - I'd say they're underestimating no one!

Also on this Tyrone attitude - come on, make up your minds.  Are the fans cocky or are they reluctant to accept being favourites?  It seems that some camps think we think our team's fandabbydozy, while some think that we're unhappy that the bookies and others have made us favourites as we don't deserve it.  Surely the two are mutually exclusive?

At least this thread is stoking up a bit of craic in advance of the match - I'm almost looking forward to the sickly nervous feeling I know I'll have, to the roars from the Hill when Dublin score their first point, to the queues coming in Drumcondra Road.  I haven't a clue who will win - at this point for me it's 50/50!

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
You're right O'Neill
I just made that up
;D ;D

Looking forward to Thur night 9pm as the team is announced
Anyone wanna take a stab at what Mr Harte has up his sleevies this time

Will he really shock us all and play McCarron at FB to mark baldy and move Justy to MF with CC named at 15 but plays as 3rd midfielder

Nah..

I would like to see McGinley get back in though but not sure who for.
Could Carlin come in for Ricey or dare I say Da..
Nah

We'll leave it as it is

Has Packie bagged an allstar? Has he already got one?

Don't see why he'd move Justy he'll not give Ivan Drago a kick.
Although he could surprise with selections elsewhere as the last day Carlin & P Harte dropped after virtually flawless start to campaign.
I've heard some of those culls were attributed to training performances (maybe harsh too) so maybe he'll go with what he's seen this week.
If I was him i'd have one of those two back in but i can't remember the last time he listened to me lol
Almost certainly Stevie will be in for Tommy.
Could there be a surprise inclusion of Brian McGuigan given reports he's flying in training and imo was the main reason we beat down?

My guess is (optimistic on my part):
1. P McConnell
2. C McCarron
3. Justy McMahon
4. Ricey
5. P Harte
6. C Gormley
7. P Jordan
8. K Hughes
9. C Cavanagh
10. B Dooher
11. B McGuigan
12. Joe McMahon
13. M Penrose
14. S Cavanagh
15. S O'Neill

What do you think?

So King of the Hill Mugsy is gone?
U reckon

I think ye could see him back to his best now he's in croker
Only hope we get another day out to see him in full flow v the Rossies

Well based on last days performances does he deserve to keep place? Others haven't been as fortunate in the past.
Just think there'll be someone left out tonight that will have people going  :o
I think we're vunerable at midfield and although CC has proved me wrong in the past i think he's a major weak link and its only a matter of time before its found out. You think its too early for mcginley to come in for him before or during game?
On a similar note when will cassidy be fit again?

Also a general query -

From what i believe Tyrone have a training squad of roughly 37/38?? I know they tog out anyone whose fit. However how many can be named and does this mean that there are subs togged out with an impossible chance of getting on.
If so who are they and do they know they're not named on the teamsheet?

Quote from: Rois on July 29, 2010, 02:07:39 PMfandabbydozy

Send that over to the funny words thread to be checked out, wouldya?

I'll have a stab at what I think Mickey is gonna choose

Packie
McCarron (1st half to Mark BB 2nd half maybe Carlin)
Justy
Ricey
Davey
Gormley
Jordan
Hub
CC
Dooher
McGuigan
Joey
Sean        Moving out to MF the odd time or with a free role
ONeill
Mugsy

Quote from: Canalman on July 29, 2010, 01:10:21 PM
Pride before the Fall???????

While my head is still saying Tyrone I have to say that as a Dub I am extremely heartened by the utterances of the Tyrone people. Very similiar scenario imo to Crossmaglen v Crokes AICF  in 2009.

Would still be happier with O'Carroll no 2 and O'Sullivan starting on Saturday.

However I can safely say that there is an almost maniacal desire here in Dublin to win this game , which Tyrone underestimate at their peril.

Btw, I have been very wrong about Dublin's prospects in the past.

In 2005 and 2008 the Jackeens on this board and on the Reservoir Dubs board were extremely cocky and the attitude on both occasions, even after the draw in 2005, was that Dublin only had to turn up to win ... this optimism seemed to be based solely on the hype of the legions of Dublin-based media clowns.  Tyrone optimism over Saturday's game is based on something a little more solid don't you think?  Anyway, I think it'll be tight and if we win we'll deserve it.  Whatever happens, the hotel's booked and we plan to have a good night in the capital

You think Penrose might get the chop Fuzzman?

Quote from: Puckoon on July 29, 2010, 05:19:08 PM
You think Penrose might get the chop Fuzzman?

Not a chance. I can see McGinley either starting in MF or coming on at some stage for CC though.


Here, was meant to be working Saturday, but managed to get it off last minute. Hoping to get a lower Hogan ticket through the club, but in case I don't (didn't put in the request early enough), has anyone a spare lower Hogan knocking about?  :P

Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 29, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Here, was meant to be working Saturday, but managed to get it off last minute. Hoping to get a lower Hogan ticket through the club, but in case I don't (didn't put in the request early enough), has anyone a spare lower Hogan knocking about?  :P

Ahhh just picked up six Lower Hogan tickets there now (330 and 331 yeeeoooo) - unfortunately I need them all  ;D

Quote from: Rois on July 29, 2010, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 29, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Here, was meant to be working Saturday, but managed to get it off last minute. Hoping to get a lower Hogan ticket through the club, but in case I don't (didn't put in the request early enough), has anyone a spare lower Hogan knocking about?  :P

Ahhh just picked up six Lower Hogan tickets there now (330 and 331 yeeeoooo) - unfortunately I need them all  ;D

Aw rad-ging! 330 you say! 8)

I hate the thought of oul ticketmaster upper cusack seats!  :-X

can't believe I forgot Wee Marty. Can we play 16?

iv never felt as nervous before a game in me life.the general mood with the dublin fans is that we havent got a hope and its the worst draw we could of got,but although im outwardly agreeing with most of them im secretly saying to meself that if we show up and play as well as we can and surprise tyrone we might just sneak it,but that is coming strictly from the heart,lets face it , no matter what the tyrone players say dublin have not kept the tyrone lads awake this week and in all honestly we must be a laughing stock to some of them on the disasters of the last few year.
at the end of the day tyrone have better players than us and if they perform they are halfway there but even though me head says tyrone me heart says maybe this time it could be different and maybe ,just maybe we will have our best day out since 95.if we manage to beat yiz the hill will rock like it hasnt done in a long time.

Quote from: heffo on July 28, 2010, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: north down on July 28, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
I hate having to pay the 3.5 euro commission but what can you do especially given the short timeframe to get tickets.

Become a member of the GAA?

Heffo
I am and have been for more than 30 years but moved away from my home club area for work reasons - but am still a member of and have great loyalty to my club. The difficulty is with the short notice you have to weigh up travelling 50 or 60 miles for a ticket or pay the 3.5 euro to ticketmaster.

B McGuigan in for bro, only change

Comórtas: All Ireland Senior Football Championship Quarter Final

Dáta: 31 Iúil 2010

Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Áth Cliath

Ionad: Pairc an Chrócaigh

1  Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2  Cathal McCarron  – An Droim Mhór
3  Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4  Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
5  Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6  Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7  Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8  Colm Cavanagh -  An Mhaigh
9  Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
10  Brian Dooher – Clann na nGael
11  Brian McGuigan – Ard Bó
12  Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
13  Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14  Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
15  Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chriochach

16  John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
17  Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
18  Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
19  Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
20  Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
21  Colm McCullagh – An Droim Mhór
22  Enda McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
23  Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
24  Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
25  Ryan Mellon – An Mhaigh
26  Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
27  Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
28  Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
29  P J Quinn – Baile na Móna
30  Martin Swift – Coill an Chlochair

Bainisteoir: Micheál Ó hAirt

6-13 should win plenty of possession around the middle and if 2,3,4,12 can keep Dublins dangermen quiet - Tyrone should do well.

First championship start in how long for Brian McGuigan?

Quote from: Puckoon on July 29, 2010, 08:13:33 PM
6-13 should win plenty of possession around the middle and if 2,3,4,12 can keep Dublins dangermen quiet - Tyrone should do well.

First championship start in how long for Brian McGuigan?

2008 AIQF v Dublin

Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 29, 2010, 08:20:53 PM

Quote from: Puckoon on July 29, 2010, 08:13:33 PM
6-13 should win plenty of possession around the middle and if 2,3,4,12 can keep Dublins dangermen quiet - Tyrone should do well.

First championship start in how long for Brian McGuigan?

2008 AIQF v Dublin

Was thinking that myself. It will be an interesting battle with Ger Brennan who loves to attack but he isn't the tightest marking centre half back in the world.

Whatever about the team (and it's not looking half-bad either  ;) ) that's some bench, the strongest in the Quarters bar none.

Quote from: Rois on July 29, 2010, 08:05:22 PM
B McGuigan in for bro, only change

Great to see mcguigan start mans a class act. Also wouldn't be surprised if you see SON from the start.

PS gonna go to the match haven't been to one since AIF in 2008 but got 2 Premium levels so thought it would be worthwhile seeing i don't have to slum it - wouldn't want to catch the cold!  :D

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 29, 2010, 10:22:22 PM

Quote from: Rois on July 29, 2010, 08:05:22 PM
B McGuigan in for bro, only change

Great to see mcguigan start mans a class act. Also wouldn't be surprised if you see SON from the start.

PS gonna go to the match haven't been to one since AIF in 2008 but got 2 Premium levels so thought it would be worthwhile seeing i don't have to slum it - wouldn't want to catch the cold!  :D

A good loyal supporter. Enjoy your day out in the comfort of thr Premium !

I've only been to the premium level once and i hated it. Despised it in fact. Tyrone v Armagh Ulster final 2005 1st game. Horrible experience, not just drawing the game after hammering the orchard into the ground, but the lack of atmosphere and type of punters that were there, mr big guys, god that was a traumatic day....

QuotePS gonna go to the match haven't been to one since AIF in 2008

So f**king funny, At least the bandwagon Kerry supporters who show up in Sept go at least once a year to see a game ;)

Couldn't agree more Mr Nakata

I got a free ticket last weekend for the Louth v Dublin game and what a lot of rubbish
So many people just stand in the bar and barely watch the game at all

Then when they do come up nobody shouts or cheers but I suppose its a great source of income for the GAA

I like that team though look forward to see if SoN come on if he doesn't start.
Delighted Snout gets a start and hope he gets a score or two to settle him in as he's missed a few lately

I think we could see CC play a blinder and surprise a few people.

Yeah FoSB its a strong bench alright and must be hard for some of those lads to sit and watch all the time
No game time yet for Mellon or Coney and McCullagh must be wondering will he come back next year having proved his worth back in 2008.

Still as our old favourite Jarlath said in the GL last week, nobody can show they've got any negative feelings or go off on a huff cos they know they'll struggle to get back in again with 5 lads waiting to take yer place

I've the flag hanging out the window now and really looking forward to the weekend now.
I'm meeting loads of Down ones for dinner on Sat night so hopefully both of us will be celebrating.

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 29, 2010, 03:14:52 PM
Also a general query -

From what i believe Tyrone have a training squad of roughly 37/38?? I know they tog out anyone whose fit. However how many can be named and does this mean that there are subs togged out with an impossible chance of getting on.
If so who are they and do they know they're not named on the teamsheet?

Tyrone people you must be so proud, you have unearthed a real gem here in the mould of a certain Mr Fearon, look after him/her and hopefully someone can direct "it" to the right location in the premium section on Saturday.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2010, 09:42:33 PM
Whatever about the team (and it's not looking half-bad either  ;) ) that's some bench, the strongest in the Quarters bar none.

John Devine
P J Quinn; Martin Swift; Dermot Carlin
Peter Harte; Sean O'Neill; Ronan McNabb
Enda McGinley & Ryan Mellon
Kyle Coney; Colm McCullagh; Michael Murphy
Mark Donnelly; Stephen O'Neill; Tommy McGuigan

Would fancy them to give Ulster a rattle alright.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
Tyrone people you must be so proud, you have unearthed a real gem here in the mould of a certain Mr Fearon, look after him/her and hopefully someone can direct "it" to the right location in the premium section on Saturday.

:D

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 29, 2010, 10:55:51 PM

QuotePS gonna go to the match haven't been to one since AIF in 2008

So f**king funny, At least the bandwagon Kerry supporters who show up in Sept go at least once a year to see a game ;)

All i have to do now is sort out my attire do i wear a white shirt with red tie (that might be too much) NO i think i'll keep it neutral grey shirt & tie and then i can roar for all 6 teams at different stages. BTW Does the new M1 take you right into the ground?

It does, follow the signs for the Port tunnel it brings you right in under Croke Park to the private underground parking with the lifts up to the premium level, you can't miss it.

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 29, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Well based on last days performances does he deserve to keep his place?

You must be joking. Mugsy was our best ball winner last day out.

Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2010, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 29, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Well based on last days performances does he deserve to keep his place?

You must be joking. Mugsy was our best ball winner last day out.

Ageed but with his experience we look to him for scores whic he didn't do in Ulster Final.

He was unlucky with a couple of attempts but set up the whole hf back line for scores. I was very impressed with him last day.

Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
He was unlucky with a couple of attempts but set up the whole hf back line for scores. I was very impressed with him last day.

I thought he was our best player in first half, won every ball ... and he loves playing against the Jackeens

Quote from: Gaffer on July 29, 2010, 11:40:44 PM
Ageed but with his experience we look to him for scores whic he didn't do in Ulster Final.

Immense work-rate and showing for the ball; he'll come good in the scoring stakes, no worries there. Regardless, on his link play alone he's well worth his place.

Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2010, 11:49:14 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
He was unlucky with a couple of attempts but set up the whole hf back line for scores. I was very impressed with him last day.

Although unimpressed with him against Down, when he hid.
But, impressed with him against Antrim when he fouled Colin Brady before sticking it in the net.

You know impressed.

There are many legends as to how the O Neills acquired their motto. One story is that when their ancestors sailed close to the northeast tip of Ireland they agreed that whoever landed first would have that area of land. A quick-witted warrior chopped off his left hand, threw it onto the shore and claimed his reward! Modern coats of arms show the symbol as a right hand, but the more ancient records clearly have it as "sinister" or left.

Sure why would a man cut off his right?

Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
He was unlucky with a couple of attempts but set up the whole hf back line for scores. I was very impressed with him last day.

I totally agree with this
I had been giving him a hard time before the Ulster final but I thought his unselfish attitude was excellent
He was always out in front for a change and held ever ball that was hit into him
He was a constant source for ball winning in the FF & HF line and I think we could see a lot from a new slimmer leaner more mature Mugsy if he gets the right ball into him

Bet ye he scores 1.3 on Sat
G'nite all

Just done a bet on Hughes to score first goal at 25/1 and another at
Hughes to get last score of game at 25/1. with paddypower.  unfortunately couldn't do a combo!

Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2010, 11:34:08 PM

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 29, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Well based on last days performances does he deserve to keep his place?

You must be joking. Mugsy was our best ball winner last day out.

Agree with ya Shane! Mulligan has added more to his game than scoring , and TBH I think he is actually having a pretty good year, and ya think the beard would drop him against the jacks? Little bit of history there ;D

Dubs unchanged:

                                             Stephen Cluxton

    Michael Fitzsimons                      Rory O'Carroll                                  Philly McMahon               
               
   Kevin Nolan                                  Ger Brennan                                      Barry Cahill                         

                     Michael Darragh Macauley                      Ross McConnell

   Niall Corkery                                   Alan Brogan                                      Bryan Cullen         

   David Henry                                 Eoghan O'Gara                                 Bernard Brogan             

As an Ulster man (Armagh) i wish tyrone all the best for their game v Dublin...C'mon tyrone

Quote from: north down on July 29, 2010, 07:54:59 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 28, 2010, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: north down on July 28, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
I hate having to pay the 3.5 euro commission but what can you do especially given the short timeframe to get tickets.

Become a member of the GAA?

Heffo
I am and have been for more than 30 years but moved away from my home club area for work reasons - but am still a member of and have great loyalty to my club. The difficulty is with the short notice you have to weigh up travelling 50 or 60 miles for a ticket or pay the 3.5 euro to ticketmaster.

My apologies so ND - if you're in Dublin and you ever need a ticket let me know

Fair play lads

I can appreciate some fellow Ulster Gaels are happy to support us and some have had bad experiences and are not so happy

I remember in 2002 when I just got back from Aus, I went to the Armagh v Dub match
Cheered for armagh the whole time as I never had any bad experiences with anyone.
Then in the pub afterwards I met a few lads and they said where U from anyway
When I told them they said we don't need yer support pal

We have our fair share of annoying fans & when I get excited myself I know I can be hard to listen to.
I've the Shirt on in work today and its getting quite a good reception with others saying bet you wont be wearing that come Tue (bank holiday here on Mon)

Will be in 308 lower Cusack if anyone fancies a pint there at end of Down game.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
Will be in 308 lower Cusack if anyone fancies a pint there at end of Down game.

See you after the Minor game, I'm in 305 Lower Cusack  ;)

Kieth Barrs Article in The Irish Indo - Great Read

I HAD to laugh: no sooner was the draw made than Mickey Harte appeared in the media talking up Dublin.

Who are you kidding, Mickey? Certainly not the bookies, who have sensibly made Tyrone clear odds-on favourites to complete their third crucial championship victory over Dublin in six years. It's impossible to look beyond such an outcome.

Harte is a sharp operator. He knows only too well that every season requires a different tweak. He also knows he has to deflect from the fact that Tyrone are overwhelming favourites to win tomorrow. Last year Tyrone looked spent when Cork overpowered them in the semi-final but this time around he has rested all his key men and Tyrone look to be improving with every game. Enda McGinley's return and Stephen O'Neill's recovery strengthen Harte's already powerful hand.

There is no point in fannying around about Tyrone's prospects -- a fourth All-Ireland is now tantalisingly close. They absolutely believe that by 5.30 tomorrow evening they will be one step nearer to that prize.

As onlookers, we are always trying to determine the long-term prospects of the top teams. Sometimes it's impossible. While Harte resisted the temptation to rush back his experienced players during the league, I mistakenly interpreted their form as that of a team in decline. Relegation to Division 2 and the perceived tensions between Sean Cavanagh and Harte seemed to confirm this.

This analysis, we know now, was misleading. As Tyrone tried all week to play up the significance of Dublin's victory at Healy Park in April, I would be more inclined to look at the Red Hands' late one-point victory over Kerry in March as the defining result of the spring. Beating Dublin in the league, even with relegation at stake, did not really matter to Tyrone. Beating Kerry, on the other hand, certainly did.

Despite what those associated with Tyrone and Kerry say, they do not fear Dublin. Besides having an unshakeable belief in their own ability, Tyrone feel that by silencing the crowd, denying Dublin chances and sowing the seeds of doubt in their forwards, they will almost certainly progress.

While I'm not a fan of defensive systems, Tyrone's ability to move at pace from defence to attack is frightening for opponents. To be honest, it's probably inaccurate to refer to it as a defensive system. It's a system where serious work-rate is the core responsibility of every player. Class and technique are expected but not at the expense of selfless work.

They are also extremely patient in their build-up, making sure they work the score efficiently. Rarely do you see a Tyrone player trying an aimless shot from distance. Having said that, Brian Dooher, O'Neill and Cavanagh are all capable of nailing a wonder score when necessary.

And that's what's really appealing about Tyrone's approach. They're not restricted by their system, they are empowered by it. The corner-back will run the field and stick it over the bar if he has to while someone covers for him; their forwards will rarely shoot outside the 'zone' but if they have to, they will. Tyrone players react to circumstances by taking responsibility and working for each other. You don't see them sulking or taking hissy fits.

So where does this leave Dublin tomorrow? Well, I know that I wasn't alone suffering a sinking feeling when Coman Goggins drew us out of the hat. In fact I thought Coman himself looked a whiter shade of pale after the event!

Let me be straight. No one expects Dublin to win. They are back playing honest football: workmanlike, with little flash and plenty of effort. They're trying to make it hard for the opposition by competing doggedly, as per the plan for the season. After their wobble in Leinster, when it looked as we'd lost faith in the plan, this is to be welcomed.

They haven't ditched all their old bad habits. The Dublin forwards are working very hard when they don't have possession. However, they must also work hard for each other when they have the ball and remain patient.

Alan Brogan, for example, cannot keep searching for his own score at the expense of a simple pass to a better-placed colleague; nor is the killer pass always on. Sometimes it's just about slipping the easy ball off and working to draw the defensive cover.

While you want your players to have the confidence to shoot, Tyrone will be more than happy if Dublin become restless at the crowd's behest and start forcing their efforts.

A change of culture is never easy to implement and Dublin are discovering just how difficult a task it is. Their image of being all style and no substance seemed to be exploited annually at this point of the season.

But Dublin cannot be accused of being 'fancy Dans' this year, not by a long shot. Without the frills and the hype, Dublin go in with nothing to lose. All they need to do is stick to their approach, make it as hard as possible for Tyrone and fight to the line, fight for the blue jersey that they are privileged to have on their backs.

If they acquit themselves honestly, then Pat Gilroy, given how he has set his stall out this season, can have no qualms. We did not expect to win an All-Ireland, only to lay the foundations for a new approach.

Tomorrow's climb looks too steep for an inexperienced Dublin team to surmount. Their opponents possess too much class and experience. When Tyrone players stand for the anthem tomorrow evening, the weight of their All-Ireland medals will anchor their belief.

For sure, this will be a learning experience for Gilroy's men like no other to date and hopefully they will emerge the better for it.

What I would like to see is what I saw all around me when I was fortunate to participate in occasions like this. When I played for Dublin, there were men who believed they were warriors, that every championship match was a battle. It shaped their approach, their commitment. It didn't guarantee against making mistakes; nor did it guarantee victory. What it did ensure was that those men left absolutely nothing behind them; they emptied the tank every time.

I knew when I committed myself to something on the field there was another man to back me up. Dublin's new system, whatever the pros and cons of the approach, is really based on players working for each other, for a bigger cause, not for themselves.

This is the first time in recent memory that there is no hype in the capital. The supporters may return tomorrow but they do so to back an honest team very much in transition and facing a daunting challenge.

As Dublin are now stripped of the weight of expectation, this is Tyrone's game to lose.

Irish Independent

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2010, 10:36:53 AM

I've the Shirt on in work today and its getting quite a good reception with others saying bet you wont be wearing that come Tue (bank holiday here on Mon)

Fuzzman - are you Colin Hunt? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rj1SFtxRTg&feature=related

Will Molly Malone be about the marra...

Impending sense of doom about this game as it draws closer............ initial optimism fading away.
We need a display like we pulled out of the hat in Leinster Finals of 1983 and 1995/ Lgue Finals of 1987 and 1993 (replay) to beat Tyrone. Tyrone's subs makes sobering reading..............can't understand why McCullough isn't starting, I think he is class.

Oh ............it  would be nice for a change not to hit the crossbar  in a big game.

Anyway best of luck to the Dubs and safe journeys to and home for all.

Átha Cliath abú.

Just a word of warning to all Tyrone gaels traveling tomorrow. Watch ur speed along the Omagh-Ballygawley road as the RUC will be out in force to gather up a few pound.

Quote from: Hereiam on July 30, 2010, 12:28:47 PM
Just a word of warning to all Tyrone gaels traveling tomorrow. Watch ur speed along the Omagh-Ballygawley road as the RUC will be out in force to gather up a few pound.

Aye noticed the scum out on the morning of the Ulster Final. Always in or around Kelly's Inn in the 50 mph zone. Any other Sunday morning and there would be no sign of the bastards.

Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2010, 12:33:10 PM

Quote from: Hereiam on July 30, 2010, 12:28:47 PM
Just a word of warning to all Tyrone gaels traveling tomorrow. Watch ur speed along the Omagh-Ballygawley road as the RUC will be out in force to gather up a few pound.

Aye noticed the scum out on the morning of the Ulster Final. Always in or around Kelly's Inn in the 50 mph zone. Any other Sunday morning and there would be no sign of the b**tards.

I think you're being very harsh-they're merely lending their support.  I could swear I saw a cop with a red and white hair-dryer the last day.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:49:40 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
Will be in 308 lower Cusack if anyone fancies a pint there at end of Down game.

See you after the Minor game, I'm in 305 Lower Cusack  ;)

That's gay.


  :D :D

I'll try to make it at some stage.

Quote from: Zapatista on July 30, 2010, 01:43:13 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 10:49:40 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2010, 10:36:53 AM
Will be in 308 lower Cusack if anyone fancies a pint there at end of Down game.

See you after the Minor game, I'm in 305 Lower Cusack  ;)

That's gay.

Never crossed my mind, bitch!  ;)

Got the Tyrone flag delivered to work like Fuzzman. Stuck it out the window got a great responce :D those Polish folk had no idea what it was all about. She flying from the fork lift now zooming about the yard. Looking good.

Will have it out the window tonight and expect a different responce from the neighbours.

I just got my car plastered with Dublin posters and one says
" I love Jayo"

They all took pics of it and sent it around the office

I finally met the first Dub who thinks they're gonna win
He reckons the Brogans know this is their big stage and they owe us for 2008 shambles

I'm beginning to doubt a little now
If the Dubs get a good start and a head of steam built up, the crowd will follow and the pressure is on us then
Of course it could work the other way then that they question themselves then can they hold onto a lead or will they collapse as usual and the Hill get on their backs

I just hope its not a dramatic day with sendings off, penalty misses or umpire upset

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 30, 2010, 12:57:53 AM
Just done a bet on Hughes to score first goal at 25/1 and another at
Hughes to get last score of game at 25/1. with paddypower.  unfortunately couldn't do a combo!

MB, if you canny get a combo with Paddy Power online, ring the hooers and they will give you combo odds over the phone

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2010, 02:22:36 PM
I just hope its not a dramatic day with umpire upset

You're dead right FM - if even a single umpire gets upset, then it will all have been for nothing!

Is there any scribe out there tipping the Jacks?

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Is there any scribe out there tipping the Jacks?

Not a wan - and rightly so

This makes interesting reading - the thread from 2 years ago. Role reversal.  - http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8804.0

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 03:17:45 PM
This makes interesting reading - the thread from 2 years ago. Role reversal.  - http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8804.0

My eyes - delete, delete!

are the games being streamed anywhere on the world wide world of web tomorrow? for those outside the island of ireland?

thanks

Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
are the games being streamed anywhere on the world wide world of web tomorrow? for those outside the island of ireland?

thanks

Dont know where you are J - but I will be buying it on setanta online for $20 in the USA.

Seems to be a trend on here - I start off pessimistic in the aftermath of the draw whilst others are bullish. Then after the team is named I grow in confidence whilst others begin to wilt.

No matter how you look at this game, it's hard to see Tyrone losing if both sides are relatively at full pelt. What Dublin now bring to the table is something that Tyrone mastered a few years ago. Our boys have proven winners with talent to burn. Dublin have a sprinkling of big game players but an awful lot of unproven starters out there. Maybe the Dubs have carried out some kind of majestic peaking strategy and tomorrow is when things kick into gear.

What about Tyrone? Have Dooher, Hub, Ricey, Mugsy, Gormley got the will to fight tooth and nail when the whippersnappers are sniffing blood in the 52nd minute? You'd like to think so. The same players know the level of performance it takes to win All-Ireland quarters and won't let any complacency even begin to raise its head. The Cork doubts still linger but that might actually be the key to ensuring the mental approach is spot on.

Dubs to have their moments, maybe a goal or two, but Tyrone's array of scoring options will see enough of the round thing going over the black thing. Something like Tyrone 0-17 Dublin 2-8.

find it amazing how Kyle Coney has "fallen" down the depth chart. Obviously must not be showing that well in training, as the beard has yet to let him taste any action this year , and that is highly unlikely to change now as the we head towards hte business end of the season. There was a a LOT of talk about him at the start of the year, and TBH he is now rarely talked about.

He hasn't fallen anywhere. This is a good Tyrone team and he is still a young fella. Give the man a chance.

Quote from: Puckoon on July 30, 2010, 04:18:53 PM

Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
are the games being streamed anywhere on the world wide world of web tomorrow? for those outside the island of ireland?

thanks

Dont know where you are J - but I will be buying it on setanta online for $20 in the USA.

Tuscany , or indeed an Irish bar showing it?

cheers

Finnegans bar in Florence?

finneganpub.com (http://finneganpub.com)

I think it's a great sign that Mickey has named the team he has.  It says that he was happy with the way that these guys played the system that they were supposed to play against Monaghan.  Do the same against Dublin - we should win.  To beat Tyrone, Dublin have to come up with their own system instead of organising their game around Tyrone's.

Spent a couple of hours sorting out ticket problems this morning for a match that isn't sold out and in the meantime bagged a couple of freebies for Sunday's matches - I love the championship!!

Some article by Brolly on Dooher today in the GL.

Quote from: Zapatista on July 30, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
He hasn't fallen anywhere. This is a good Tyrone team and he is still a young fella. Give the man a chance.

Nobody is saying that it isnt a good team, where did you read that? What I said was that, 4 months ago, he was being talked an awful lot , like he was going to be a major part of Tyrones summer. That is clearly NOT the case anymore, and I will be AMAZED if he sees a minute of game time from here on in. I agree that he is young, but Harte goes a lot on what he sees in training, and he must not be seeing a lot :o

QuoteSome article by Brolly on Dooher today in the GL.

Brolly wrote that Dooher in between fixing up old cows and spending hours on end in a deep freezer spends his spare time dressed up as a buxum old lady in a floral dress running around farmers fields wearing a funny terminator mask when he should be working and then he goes off to do a biteen of training with the county team. I may have picked this up wrong but I can never understand the ramblings of Brolly anyway.

I bought that Gaelic Life yoke today in the hope of getting some deep meaningful understanding of Ulster football or the GAA in General and all I found out was in the Ulster team of the week there were 3 women, it went straight into the fecking recycling bin after that!!

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 30, 2010, 05:28:54 PM

QuoteSome article by Brolly on Dooher today in the GL.

Brolly wrote that Dooher in between fixing up old cows and spending hours on end in a deep freezer spends his spare time dressed up as a buxum old lady in a floral dress running around farmers fields wearing a funny terminator mask when he should be working and then he goes off to do a biteen of training with the county team. I may have picked this up wrong but I can never understand the ramblings of Brolly anyway.

I bought that Gaelic Life yoke today in the hope of getting some deep meaningful understanding of Ulster football or the GAA in General and all I found out was in the Ulster team of the week there were 3 women, it went straight into the fecking recycling bin after that!!

Proper place for it Mike! Why did you waste your hard earned euros on it?

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Dubs to have their moments, maybe a goal or two, but Tyrone's array of scoring options will see enough of the round thing going over the black thing. Something like Tyrone 0-17 Dublin 2-8.

Our experience over the years has developed into a rule of thumb. Stop Dublin scoring goals and you'll beat them. So I had a look there to see if it holds any water (they finally have a reasonably good searchable results database on gaa.ie).

The Mayo game in 2006 is the only match since 1985 in which they scored 2 goals and lost.

They have scored one goal and lost in eleven of their 72 championship matches since 1975. On the other hand, there are only 24 matches in which they scored one goal, so they lost nearly as often as they won when scoring one.

The two-goal rule looks interesting, though it may be that the statistics are similar for any team scoring two goals.

(These statistics don't include qualifiers, due to the eccentricities of the gaa.ie database).

I was buying some bedding for the goldfish, and it was cheaper.

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 30, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
I was buying some bedding for the goldfish, and it was cheaper.

Could only be good for them.

Quote from: J OGorman on July 30, 2010, 02:25:00 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 30, 2010, 12:57:53 AM
Just done a bet on Hughes to score first goal at 25/1 and another at
Hughes to get last score of game at 25/1. with paddypower.  unfortunately couldn't do a combo!

MB, if you canny get a combo with Paddy Power online, ring the hooers and they will give you combo odds over the phone

cheers

Quote from: comethekingdom on July 30, 2010, 05:37:38 PM

Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 30, 2010, 05:28:54 PM

QuoteSome article by Brolly on Dooher today in the GL.

Brolly wrote that Dooher in between fixing up old cows and spending hours on end in a deep freezer spends his spare time dressed up as a buxum old lady in a floral dress running around farmers fields wearing a funny terminator mask when he should be working and then he goes off to do a biteen of training with the county team. I may have picked this up wrong but I can never understand the ramblings of Brolly anyway.

I bought that Gaelic Life yoke today in the hope of getting some deep meaningful understanding of Ulster football or the GAA in General and all I found out was in the Ulster team of the week there were 3 women, it went straight into the fecking recycling bin after that!!

Proper place for it Mike! Why did you waste your hard earned euros on it?

Hard earned euros? What, ripping off American tourists?

QuoteHard earned euros? What, ripping off American tourists?

Whist...there were a few Northern sounding tourists as well.

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 02:51:12 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Is there any scribe out there tipping the Jacks?

Not a wan - and rightly so

Justin McNulty in Herald

http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html)

A friend has a spare Cusack Stand ticket if anyone is interested.

Contact him at:

djward200@yahoo.co.uk

So I did just a quick comparison between Dublin and all counties in how they do when they score 2 goals.

Dublin have lost in 15% of matches (2 of 13 matches) where they scored 2 goals, since 1975.

Looking at results in the All-Ireland series in the 2000s, all counties combined have lost 29% of matches (9 of 31) where they scored 2 goals - about twice Dublin's rate.

So maybe there's something in the "stop Dublin scoring (2 or more) goals" thing.

Now, there's a challenge for Mickey. Give big O'Gara a  couple of onion rattlers, then set about debunking Hardy's research!

Well the sap's rising rightly as the hour draws near.

Weather-wise, it has cleared up here in Dublin after a fairly crappy and wet afternoon. From RTE:

Tomorrow
All areas will have sunny intervals during Saturday but showers in the northwest and west will more widespread during the morning. A few may turn heavy during the day but the showers will become isolated during the evening. Moderate or locally fresh, southwest to west winds. Highest temperatures 16 to 19 degrees Celsius.

I just hope that the 'experienced' Dublin lads who have suffered the recent Championship hammerings in Croke are so psychologically scarred that they inexorably drain the confidence from the whole team in the face of the first Red Hand onslaught  ;)

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
Well the sap's rising rightly as the hour draws near.

Weather-wise, it has cleared up here in Dublin after a fairly crappy and wet afternoon. From RTE:

Tomorrow
All areas will have sunny intervals during Saturday but showers in the northwest and west will more widespread during the morning. A few may turn heavy during the day but the showers will become isolated during the evening. Moderate or locally fresh, southwest to west winds. Highest temperatures 16 to 19 degrees Celsius.

I just hope that the 'experienced' Dublin lads who have suffered the recent Championship hammerings in Croke are so psychologically scarred that they inexorably drain the confidence from the whole team in the face of the first Red Hand onslaught  ;)

Hard to see anything except a Tyrone win. Tomorrow will tell us more about how close this Tyrone team is to the end of the road then anything else. All the pressure is on Tyrone anything other then a comphrehensive vcitory and its the end of the road for them. They have to bear in mind the averageness of what they are facing tomorrow.

That's a load of balls.

I think Dublin have a reasonable chance in this one. I haven't been impressed by Tyrone's form so far, though like Kerry, you'd be foolish to write them off on the basis of past performances. We know they are the real deal and they rarely disappoint when the games matter, still I have a feeling they are there for the taking. The question is whether Dublin are good enough to take advantage? Probably not, they certainly don't have the better footballers but they may have their day tomorrow all the same.

O'Gara looks to me to be the kind of player that could win ball against any defender but hasn't the ability to do too much damage with it. But if he could win it and the Brogans, Cullen etc. could be there to finish Dublin might get enough to win. I think 1-13 will win this game, maybe even 0-12, so if Dublin can get in around there they'll be in with a chance.

Without SON the Tyrone forward line is good but far from great, if SON can't play a big part tomorrow I think Tyrone will post a beatable score and if Dublin get a goal they might be able to beat it.

Tyrone are the proven big game performers so you'd have to go with them but I give Dublin a chance. Tyrone by 2-3.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM

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Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 30, 2010, 12:57:53 AM
Just done a bet on Hughes to score first goal at 25/1 and another at
Hughes to get last score of game at 25/1. with paddypower.  unfortunately couldn't do a combo!

MB, if you canny get a combo with Paddy Power online, ring the hooers and they will give you combo odds over the phone

cheers

They were having none of it. Hoors.  Don't know what the big deal is-only a 625-1 combo!

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 30, 2010, 06:10:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 02:51:12 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Is there any scribe out there tipping the Jacks?

Not a wan - and rightly so

Justin McNulty in Herald

http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html)

"I would actually call Dublin," he boldly declares.

INTENSITY

Even the early-summer selection flux, he surmises, has fostered competition as opposed to uncertainty. "When players are comfortable in their starting position, then they may not have the competitive edge as much as they maybe could," he points out. "Whereas when a player knows that he must perform in every match and every training session, that breeds a massive level of intensity and competitiveness within the panel for positions on the starting team, and then that obviously leads to competitiveness in terms of their performance.

So Dublin are going to provide a massive challenge for Tyrone, and it's one I think that Dublin will win." He concludes: "I do really believe this is going to be a massive opportunity for Dublin.

"And, you know, if they can overcome Tyrone, they've been transformed from no-hopers to real genuine contenders here."

Watch this space ...

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 10:12:38 AM

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Quote from: heffo on July 28, 2010, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: north down on July 28, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
I hate having to pay the 3.5 euro commission but what can you do especially given the short timeframe to get tickets.

Become a member of the GAA?

Heffo
I am and have been for more than 30 years but moved away from my home club area for work reasons - but am still a member of and have great loyalty to my club. The difficulty is with the short notice you have to weigh up travelling 50 or 60 miles for a ticket or pay the 3.5 euro to ticketmaster.

My apologies so ND - if you're in Dublin and you ever need a ticket let me know

Heffo
No problem - thanks for the offer and you never know I may take you up on it sometime. I'm usually OK for a ticket from my own club back home as long as I get a bit of notice.

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 08:52:42 PM

Quote from: tyrone86 on July 30, 2010, 06:10:05 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 02:51:12 PM

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Is there any scribe out there tipping the Jacks?

Not a wan - and rightly so

Justin McNulty in Herald

http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mcnulty-this-is-a-huge-opportunity-for-dublin-2279372.html)

"I would actually call Dublin," he boldly declares.

INTENSITY

Even the early-summer selection flux, he surmises, has fostered competition as opposed to uncertainty. "When players are comfortable in their starting position, then they may not have the competitive edge as much as they maybe could," he points out. "Whereas when a player knows that he must perform in every match and every training session, that breeds a massive level of intensity and competitiveness within the panel for positions on the starting team, and then that obviously leads to competitiveness in terms of their performance.

So Dublin are going to provide a massive challenge for Tyrone, and it's one I think that Dublin will win." He concludes: "I do really believe this is going to be a massive opportunity for Dublin.

"And, you know, if they can overcome Tyrone, they've been transformed from no-hopers to real genuine contenders here."

Watch this space ...

Mc nulty is involved with Armagh coaching setup isn't he? Having watched them a few weeks ago his analysis has been rendered redundant in my view.

Indiana - I have to hand it to you. You are some craic. :)

Good luck, but not too much luck, on Saturday.

Found another - Jayo thinks the Dubs will nick it.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
Mc nulty is involved with Armagh coaching setup isn't he? Having watched them a few weeks ago his analysis has been rendered redundant in my view.

Mc Nulty's at the cute hoorism big-time, just shows what a bit of pushing and shoving from a Dublin player (in the Armagh game) can induce  ;)

Jayo:

Tyrone v Dublin

These teams met at the same stage two years ago but there is no question that there is a totally different opinion of where both teams are in their development this year. Back then, Tyrone had stumbled into a quarter final overcoming Mayo in a scrappy game whereas Dublin came in on the back of a resounding Leinster final victory over Wexford. It looked liked the only logical outcome was that Dublin were primed to dispose of an aging Tyrone team but on the day that certainly wasn't the case and Tyrone proved they had a lot more big performances in them.
This year there has almost been a role reversal. Tyrone arrive on the back of the most comprehensive performance of the championship so far versus Monaghan. Playing Dublin is just the challenge Mickey Harte's men will revel in as they are a big game team.
"When I think of Tyrone's strengths the first word that springs to mind is versatility, not only in their style of play but also in how they can finish a game out and do whatever is necessary. Most teams have a plan A and B but with Tyrone you would struggle to work out where their next attack will come from."
Dublin on the other hand arrive on the back of some confidence boosting wins in the qualifiers but without much proof that they can mix it with the big boys yet. Pat Gilroy has been keen to stress all year that this is a transition year for his Dublin team so it would be very hard to make a case for Dublin this Saturday. However, I believe that reducing the burden of expectation from Dublin will help them perform to their potential, something Dublin have come nowhere near to doing in their last two quarter final appearances.
Most logic will convince you that this is a bridge too far for this Dublin team and they are only a stepping stone for Tyrone to overcome on the way to bigger and better things.
"But I can't get the performance that Dublin produced to beat Tyrone in Omagh in the league out of my head, Dublin have proved to themselves that they can beat Tyrone in their back yard and they go into this game as massive underdogs, something that has not happened in a long time. I'm not sure if it's my heart overruling my head but I can see the Hill 16 faithful getting a performance to be proud of on Saturday evening."
Verdict - Dublin

Aye, Jayo's a real unerring mystic indeed.

jaysus only 6 dublin players are starting from that league game. Do these guys do any analysis when writing such?

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 10:00:39 PM
Jayo:



I'm not sure if it's my heart overruling my head but I can see the Hill 16 faithful getting a performance to be proud of on Saturday evening."

Why? Who are Man U playing on Saturday evening?

Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2010, 10:00:39 PM
Jayo:

Tyrone v Dublin

"... I’m not sure if it’s my heart overruling my head but I can see the Hill 16 faithful getting a performance to be proud of on Saturday evening."
Verdict - Dublin

A wee clue for you there Jayo, erm... I think that you might just be letting your (natural, totally understandable) bias show  ;)

Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
jaysus only 6 dublin players are starting from that league game. Do these guys do any analysis when writing such?

Ah in fairness to him, he's the first columnist since Bernie Flynn in the Hedild about seven years ago who writes his own stuff

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 10:12:38 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
jaysus only 6 dublin players are starting from that league game. Do these guys do any analysis when writing such?

Ah in fairness to him, he's the first columnist since Bernie Flynn in the Hedild about seven years ago who writes his own stuff

Surprised consideirng he wouldn't be known for his love of the management. I suppose the mystery recall might have had something to do with it.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:14:56 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 30, 2010, 10:12:38 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on July 30, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
jaysus only 6 dublin players are starting from that league game. Do these guys do any analysis when writing such?

Ah in fairness to him, he's the first columnist since Bernie Flynn in the Hedild about seven years ago who writes his own stuff

Surprised consideirng he wouldn't be known for his love of the management. I suppose the mystery recall might have had something to do with it.

He's a sound guy, but knows there is no point going down the Keith Barr route of slamming the manager who drops you.

There have been several phone calls out to the Louis Fitz hotel this past couple of weeks alright and only himself & Gilroy know at this stage whether we're going to see him tomorrow

The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final  '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?

I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!

Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave'   ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about  the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!

Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times.  And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95  ;)!

;D

Good luck to the minors and seniors tomorrow, hopefully we'll be toasting a double victory! I think we will have too much quality all over the field and win out by 3-5 points. As with most matches against the Dubs in the last 5 years they will get a good run going with the hill rowing in behind we'll need all our experience and guile to hang in there. I predict a fast start hy the Jacks and for us to reel them in to go into half time level or very near it.

I think (hope) we start to pull away as the second half progresses and we have a few to spare in the end.

Finally, good luck to Down in their game, keep the Ulster flag flying! Safe journey to all those going to Croke Park tomorrow. If any of you hear an Omagh man guldering in section 305 in the lower cusack it more than likely be me!

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final  '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?

I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!

Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave'   ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about  the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!

Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times.  And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95  ;)!

;D

Dumb it down a shade for me Doc will ya?

I detect a cockiness here and with the Kerry lads that leaves me wondering is it justified.  There is an underlining assumption that Tyrone and Kerry are automatic AI finalists. 

Last time I checked we are only at quarter final stage.  Wonder will Kerry and Tyrone lads live up to the expectations they place upon their 15 men??

Just seen this re tomorrow.

There is a dairy beauty contest in Virginia, Co Cavan tomorrow.
No joking, this is a massive agricultural show to select the best dairy cow in Ireland.
It is likely to cause severe delays on the way down to Dublin.....

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 30, 2010, 11:36:05 PM


Last time I checked we are only at quarter final stage.  Wonder will Kerry and Tyrone lads live up to the expectations they place upon their 15 men??

Not making much sense there - you've wondered whether the Tyrone players will live up to
the expectations they've placed on the Tyrone players.

Anyway, you can't win as a Tyrone fan on this thread.  If Dublin try to beat the Tyrone system, they'll
probably fail, but if they play their own game they could easily come out on top. System system system.

Slightly intoxicated tonight, early start tomorrow, I'll have to consider the cot soon. Beard's selection is spot on I think. I thought it was between Brian or McCullough for Tommy's jersey. Wee Brian loves the sod at HQ, I'm happy with the selection. I really am excited tonight. Hopefully the post match beverages will be joyous ones. A feast of football amarach....bring it on.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final  '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?

I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!

Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave'   ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about  the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!

Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times.  And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95  ;)!

;D

you've always reminded me of somone and i finally put my finger on it.....Uncle Monty from Withnail an I  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQx4qiEmRQ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQx4qiEmRQ4)

Cant see Dublin giving Tyrone any problems tomorrow.  Dublins main threat comes from O Gara and Bernard Brogan.  Justin Mc Mahon and Mc Carron are at a different level than anything they have met so far this summer.  Both men are ideally suited to both Dublins danger men.  Tyrone by six. 

Some Tyrone supporters astound me with their cockyness. Y'see lads there is such a thing as being magnanimous favourites. You don't go spouting rubbish like the above supporters. You go about your business safe in the knowledge your team is better. Kerry are great at this.  They respect each opponent regardless and they are always favorites and rightly so. With a lot of luck and hard work I hope to God we turn you over and put yis back in your box. Cockyfecks!

Quote from: Pups on July 31, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
Some Tyrone supporters astound me with their cockyness. Y'see lads there is such a thing as being magnanimous favourites. You don't go spouting rubbish like the above supporters. You go about your business safe in the knowledge your team is better. Kerry are great at this.  They respect each opponent regardless and they are always favorites and rightly so. With a lot of luck and hard work I hope to God we turn you over and put yis back in your box. Cockyfecks!

We should be ashamed of ourselves :-[

Quote from: Pups on July 31, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
Some Tyrone supporters astound me with their cockyness. Y'see lads there is such a thing as being magnanimous favourites. You don't go spouting rubbish like the above supporters. You go about your business safe in the knowledge your team is better. Kerry are great at this.  They respect each opponent regardless and they are always favorites and rightly so. With a lot of luck and hard work I hope to God we turn you over and put yis back in your box. Cockyfecks!

I'd rather talk realistically about our chances as opposed to the usual poor mouthing drivel you usually hear. We are confident in our team as they have shown us on many occasions they can perform on the big occasions and cope with the favourites tag comfortably.

Anyway, I'm confident in my team, not cocky. I hope we see a good game later that's free from controversy!

Omagh Gael I have no problem you being confident. It's your lil friend from strabane I'd have issues with. You can be confident without writing the other team off. Yes I expect Tyrone to beat us. But anything can and does happen in 70 mins. Up the Dubs!!!!!

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 04:45:41 PM
Finnegans bar in Florence?

finneganpub.com (http://finneganpub.com)

thanks a million sir

Uladh abu

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final  '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?

I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!

Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave'   ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about  the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!

Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times.  And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95  ;)!

;D

The good Friday Agreement was signed mate. You need to let it go. Funny reading that.

Just back from bookies took a wee piece of sean cavanagh firts goalscorer,in my opinion the best footballer in Ireland up against a new inexperienced fullback who hasnt come up against much this year to date,think thats were tyrone will win the game with mcguigan putting them into cavanagh in the wide open spaces of croker were brian and sean seem to perform best,countdown is now on.......................

Just on the bus heading in now. Good luck to both teams and may the best team on the day win. Its raining again

Dublin 0-01 Tyrone 0-00

Dublin 0-02 Tyrone 0-00

Very poor start from Tyrone.

Dublin 0-03 Tyrone 0-00

Same scenario again - ring-rustiness vs. momentum?

O'Gara is "impish" according to Canning.  :D

Biggest f****n imp I ever saw!

Dublin 0-03 Tyrone 0-01

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 04:07:03 PM
O'Gara is "impish" according to Canning.  :D

On the other hand Canning is gimpish.

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:07:54 PM
Biggest f****n imp I ever saw!

Very good player alright.

Bad pass from the imp.

Dublin's physical power gonna be a factor here.

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:10:58 PM
Dublin's physical power gonna be a factor here.

How long before their physical power gets a yellow card?

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:06:45 PM
Same scenario again - ring-rustiness vs. momentum?

Tyrone shouldn't really be rusty.

Dublin 0-04 Tyrone 0-01

Fair play to Brogan and Cooper kicking frees with both feet.

Dublin 0-04 Tyrone 0-02

Dublin need to stop the hopeful punts into the forwards. Tyrone seem to have 3 vs. 1 on occasions.

Dublin 0-05 Tyrone 0-02

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
Dublin need to stop the hopeful punts into the forwards. Tyrone seem to have 3 vs. 1 on occasions.

Especially when the 1 is an 'imp'.

I wonder will the CCCC have a 'look' at McConnell tickling Brogan's chest with his forehead?

The Dubs are well on top here.

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-02

Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 04:21:19 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
Dublin need to stop the hopeful punts into the forwards. Tyrone seem to have 3 vs. 1 on occasions.

Especially when the 1 is an 'imp'.

I wonder will the CCCC have a 'look' at McConnell tickling Brogan's chest with his forehead?

FFS Muppet - Brogan swung the boot at him right before that.

Nice dive by Penrose.

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-03

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 04:22:39 PM

Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 04:21:19 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:18:16 PM
Dublin need to stop the hopeful punts into the forwards. Tyrone seem to have 3 vs. 1 on occasions.

Especially when the 1 is an 'imp'.

I wonder will the CCCC have a 'look' at McConnell tickling Brogan's chest with his forehead?

FFS Muppet - Brogan swung the boot at him right before that.

Didn't see that but if he did he should get done as well.

Yellow card for nothing there. I hate that shite.

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-04

Another one!

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-05

Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

Any links for this?. $20 well spent for the first game, not shelling that out for these buckos

McAuley has given away a lot of ball so far.

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-06

Cheeky Dubs and their phantom whistles.

If Dublin don't learn how to tackle properly Tyrone won't even bother shooting from play.

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:26:20 PM
Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

a man wearing a necklace should be illegal, yes.


No links as far as I can find passedit, have to make do with micheal and distruptions for golf and advertisments!

Dublin 0-06 Tyrone 0-07

When did it become an act of "bravery" to block a ball?

Dublin 0-07 Tyrone 0-07

What a point!

no hail mary comment

Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 31, 2010, 04:29:37 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:26:20 PM
Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

a man wearing a necklace should be illegal, yes.


No links as far as I can find passedit, have to make do with micheal and distruptions for golf and advertisments!

Same as that bloody pain in the hole

O'Gara just knocked over one of his own players.  :D
I think he's 50% concrete.

Dublin 0-07 Tyrone 0-08

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 04:33:19 PM
O'Gara just knocked over one of his own players.  :D
I think he's 50% concrete.

He could make a good block.

I think he's 50% concrete

and 50% shite, clumsy hoor

Dublin 0-07 Tyrone 0-08

Half Time

Those whistles are ridiculous.

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:26:20 PM
Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

Hes been wearing that medal as long as I can remember.

Can't see Tyrone losing this one now

Quote from: Maguire01 on July 31, 2010, 04:38:19 PM
Those whistles are ridiculous.

All ready cost Tyrone a half chance at goal. Some people like..they should just stay at the soccer matches where they belong.

The whistles are disgraceful, I have never supported Tyrone in my life before but because of the whistles from the Hill I think I finally want them to win!!!

Quote from: Maguire01 on July 31, 2010, 04:38:19 PM
Those whistles are ridiculous.

Yeah, Phampton whistles for both Tyrone goal chances.............. >:(

Dublin should bring on Fennell at FF.
If you're going to have a big lump there it might as well be a big lump that can kick the ball.

A goal by Marty there would have completely stuck it in the mind of the young dubs. To be so much in control of the game only to be pegged back by a Tyrone team yet to get into first gear has to be a worry.

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 04:33:19 PM
O'Gara just knocked over one of his own players.  :D
I think he's 50% concrete.

(http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/fantastic-four/movie/thing.jpg)

Eoghan O'Gara

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF614/444838.jpg)

The Thing

Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 31, 2010, 04:40:28 PM
The whistles are disgraceful, I have never supported Tyrone in my life before but because of the whistles from the Hill I think I finally want them to win!!!

The fans around the 'Asshole' should sort him/her out if they have any sence of fair play!

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 04:42:10 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 04:33:19 PM
O'Gara just knocked over one of his own players.  :D
I think he's 50% concrete.

(http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/fantastic-four/movie/thing.jpg)

Eoghan O'Gara

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The Thing

Uncanny!  :D

Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 31, 2010, 04:29:37 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:26:20 PM
Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

a man wearing a necklace should be illegal, yes.


No links as far as I can find passedit, have to make do with micheal and distruptions for golf and advertisments!

Same as that bloody pain in the hole

Did you hear them describe the rugby game as a "thriller" - someone won sixty something to nil! wtf!

Tyrone should bring petey harte on for dooher,tyrone taking wrong descison every time,fair play to dublin forcing them into them

Quote from: Family guy on July 31, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Tyrone should bring petey harte on for dooher,tyrone taking wrong descison every time,fair play to dublin forcing them into them

I was thinking that earlier - but he has gotten on a lot of ball - and isnt using it all that badly bar once or twice.

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2010, 04:42:35 PM

Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 31, 2010, 04:40:28 PM
The whistles are disgraceful, I have never supported Tyrone in my life before but because of the whistles from the Hill I think I finally want them to win!!!

The fans around the 'Asshole' should sort him/her out if they have any sence of fair play!

If he blows a phantom whistle that screws up a Dubs goal chance I'd say he'll be farting dixie for the rest of his days.

Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 31, 2010, 04:44:17 PM

Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 31, 2010, 04:29:37 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 04:26:20 PM
Mulligan wearing a necklace? Madness - that could be lethal - surely illegal?

a man wearing a necklace should be illegal, yes.


No links as far as I can find passedit, have to make do with micheal and distruptions for golf and advertisments!

Same as that bloody pain in the hole

Did you hear them describe the rugby game as a "thriller" - someone won sixty something to nil! wtf!

They're some boys to talk up the egg chasin all right. No harm anyway I'm still calming down after the first game better for the oul heart to walk away from the computer for a while.

Poor Spillane is still red in the face after the first game.

Dublin 0-08 Tyrone 0-08

2nd Half

Is there one whistler or a few? Thought I heard a few whistles for the second Tyrone goal chance. If he keeps blowing up valid moves, he could have a career as a GAA referee. Seriously he needs it slapped out of his mouth.

Dublin 0-08 Tyrone 0-09

Alan Brogan having a mare.

Dublin 0-08 Tyrone 0-10

Dublin 0-09 Tyrone 0-10

Dublin 0-10 Tyrone 0-10

BB is a fine player..

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:00:56 PM
Alan Brogan having a mare.

spoke too soon!

Dublin 0-11 Tyrone 0-10

Alan B off, madness  :o

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2010, 05:08:29 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:00:56 PM
Alan Brogan having a mare.

spoke too soon!

And they take him off!!!!

They're taking Brogan off and leaving O'Gara on!

Madness indeed, he was just getting into the game

Dublin 0-11 Tyrone 0-11

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2010, 05:08:29 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:00:56 PM
Alan Brogan having a mare.

spoke too soon!

Gone!

Dublin 0-12 Tyrone 0-11

Dublin 0-13 Tyrone 0-11

The BB show, 9 points

And now the diving starts....

Harte needs to give Dooher the Shepards Crook

Dublin 0-13 Tyrone 0-12

Brogan's the real deal alright. Are we going to lose the winners of the last 7 AIs in one afternoon?

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
Brogan's the real deal alright. Are we going to lose the winners of the last 7 AIs in one afternoon?

2004 all over again?

Thank God Canning said 'smart play' I thought he was going to get a goal.

Free out.

Tyrone are being very un-Tyrone like, panicking somewhat

Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2010, 05:19:55 PM
Too many wides. Cavanagh useless.

12

the draw could be a good bet

McGinley on

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:20:53 PM
Tyrone are being very un-Tyrone like, panicking somewhat

They are only a point behind, with 10 to go!

O'Gara.  :'(

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2010, 05:23:07 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:20:53 PM
Tyrone are being very un-Tyrone like, panicking somewhat

They are only a point behind, with 10 to go!

Yea but its 'tents for the managers, tents for the fans'.

Wides galore

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2010, 05:23:07 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:20:53 PM
Tyrone are being very un-Tyrone like, panicking somewhat

They are only a point behind, with 10 to go!

Exactly they're not playing like that though

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
the draw could be a good bet

WTF are rte like a bleedin dub having palpitations beside MOM. Get some impartial pundits ffs.

Dublin 0-13 Tyrone 0-13

How could they leave Cullen on and take off Alan Brogan?

Dublin 1-13 Tyrone 0-13

Worst TV producer since James Horan v Kerry 1996!

The imps got a goal!

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:11:58 PM
They're taking Brogan off and leaving O'Gara on!

;D

Dublin 1-14 Tyrone 0-13

'Come on you Imps in Blue'

Brutal that RTÉ missed that goal!

Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 05:25:37 PM
How could they leave Cullen on and take off Alan Brogan?

Brogan back on for Cullen.

Dublin 1-15 Tyrone 0-13

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:26:40 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:11:58 PM
They're taking Brogan off and leaving O'Gara on!

;D

:-[

I thought Brolly said last week that Tyrone don't play dumb football. They've certainly come close the last 15 odd minutes with some of the crazy wides they kicked.

16 Tyrone wides - Dublin have this blanket defence stuff licked.

Good game, well done Dublin, hard luck to Tyrone...maybe the end of the road for a few of the older hands.

Quote from: Estimator on July 31, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
Can't see Tyrone losing this one now

my mistake..

Dublin 1-15 Tyrone 0-13

Sin é.

Fair play to the dubs, didnt see that performance coming.  Tyrones shooting was brutal. Now what ? Let the fun begin.

The end of two eras today.

Delighted for Tyrone today  :D

Cluxton MOTM? He's definitely worth at least an All Star nomination this year!

Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
Worst TV producer since James Horan v Kerry 1996!

Poor auld fecker, got some great shots of his wides and missed his goal.

Getting rid of Kerry and Tyrone in one day is some result for the 6 teams left in this.

Insane afternoon of football. How many All Ireland winners are left now - a couple of Meath lads from 99 maybe?

1 - Nigel Crawford

Think Crawford is the only one left from 99

Quote from: passedit on July 31, 2010, 05:25:10 PM

Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 31, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
the draw could be a good bet

WTF are rte like a bleedin dub having palpitations beside MOM. Get some impartial pundits ffs.

Sweet Jesus, just realised that was Bernard Flynn.

Bernard Bernard Bernard. (wheres the wee yella head shaking thingy when ye need it)

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
Insane afternoon of football. How many All Ireland winners are left now - a couple of Meath lads from 99 maybe?

i think mcgeeney and orourke have one each...! ;D

Congrats to the dubs. Gutted!!

Quote from: armagh leg-end on July 31, 2010, 05:41:35 PM

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
Insane afternoon of football. How many All Ireland winners are left now - a couple of Meath lads from 99 maybe?

i think mcgeeney and orourke have one each...! ;D

Wee James has two

Quote from: armagh leg-end on July 31, 2010, 05:41:35 PM

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
Insane afternoon of football. How many All Ireland winners are left now - a couple of Meath lads from 99 maybe?

i think mcgeeney and orourke have one each...! ;D

Aye club together an they have the same as wee james.  :P

Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

They have now. (Apart from the whistler.)
There weren't so many there for the Tipp or Armagh games.

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

If you are talking managers Gilroy and Counihan have 3 between them.

Congratulations to the Dubs. Even when Tyrone were two points up, and they took that short free and lost possession - I had a feeling this result was going to go against us. Gutted for some of them fellas that might not get to play at Croker again.

Where to now?

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

A lot of them were dressed as empty seats today...never mind I'm sure the fair weather brigade will be back for the semi.

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 05:46:37 PM
Where to now?

McKenna Cup, with the rest of us!

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 05:46:37 PM
Congratulations to the Dubs. Even when Tyrone were two points up, and they took that short free and lost possession - I had a feeling this result was going to go against us. Gutted for some of them fellas that might not get to play at Croker again.

Where to now?

Quinns Corner

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

A lot of them were dressed as empty seats today...never mind I'm sure the fair weather brigade will be back for the semi.

And no harm either, just the shot in the arm this years championship needed. Never thought leavin casement a few weeks ago that Down would outlast Tyrone this year. Fck me what a weekend to be 3000 miles away.  >:(

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

A lot of them were dressed as empty seats today...never mind I'm sure the fair weather brigade will be back for the semi.

No disrespect to the Rossies but a Dublin-Cork semi will be huge in terms of ticket demand.

is it just me, or is the phrase 'off the boil', a purely down gaa phrase

5,000 to Cork and there'll be plenty for the Dublin bandwagonners.

A great days entertainment all told.

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:59:43 PM
A great days entertainment all told.

Indeed now if Derval can medal we'll all be happy.

Well Done Dublin a well deserved victory to quote Pat Spillane "Tyrone/Kerry are like two Rolls Royce car's with a lot of milage on the clock's both are in need of a service"

Will be the First time since 2002 since Tyrone & kerry didn't play in the All Ireland a welcome change i say..

I didnt buy the down game, so I didnt hear any comment from Dr Spillane - but after the Dublin win he was talking about how Tyrone and Kerry losing ( Down and Dublin winning) today, was great for football, and great for the championship.

Was this is thought after the Kerry game, or was it only because Tyrone were dumped out too that he was able to put a bit of a glossy spin Kerry being beaten?

maybe now its time for mickey to step down, not good enough against an inexperienced dublin side!!
'

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 06:09:32 PM
I didnt buy the down game, so I didnt hear any comment from Dr Spillane - but after the Dublin win he was talking about how Tyrone and Kerry losing ( Down and Dublin winning) today, was great for football, and great for the championship.

Was this is thought after the Kerry game, or was it only because Tyrone were dumped out too that he was able to put a bit of a glossy spin Kerry being beaten?

oh ffs  ::)

Quote from: Jinxy on July 31, 2010, 05:52:39 PM

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 31, 2010, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: Mickeys beard on July 31, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
Well done Dublin!  Ye have great support and deserve a bit of success!

A lot of them were dressed as empty seats today...never mind I'm sure the fair weather brigade will be back for the semi.

No disrespect to the Rossies but a Dublin-Cork semi will be huge in terms of ticket demand.

If we made the semi (big IF) we would bring 25,000 plus supporters would Cork bring that many for a semi final i think not?

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:11:48 PM

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 06:09:32 PM
I didnt buy the down game, so I didnt hear any comment from Dr Spillane - but after the Dublin win he was talking about how Tyrone and Kerry losing ( Down and Dublin winning) today, was great for football, and great for the championship.

Was this is thought after the Kerry game, or was it only because Tyrone were dumped out too that he was able to put a bit of a glossy spin Kerry being beaten?

oh ffs  ::)

Oh seriously ffs! I am just wondering what kind of reaction he had to the Kerry game!

Don't you know we hang on every word that comes from Dr Spillane?

Quote from: Take Your Points on July 31, 2010, 06:15:31 PM
Questions have to be asked why the best manager over the last decade failed to make the changes when it counted today and the road to AI victory had been cleared by Down.

::)

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 06:16:11 PM

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 31, 2010, 06:11:48 PM

Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2010, 06:09:32 PM
I didnt buy the down game, so I didnt hear any comment from Dr Spillane - but after the Dublin win he was talking about how Tyrone and Kerry losing ( Down and Dublin winning) today, was great for football, and great for the championship.

Was this is thought after the Kerry game, or was it only because Tyrone were dumped out too that he was able to put a bit of a glossy spin Kerry being beaten?

oh ffs  ::)

Oh seriously ffs! I am just wondering what kind of reaction he had to the Kerry game!

Don't you know we hang on every word that comes from Dr Spillane?

get over it.

look for the positives. I'm actually looking forward to watching AI semi-finals and the final without nerves. It will be a novel experience.

Very sad at the result today getting beat by Dublin, but we in Tyrone have had so much success over the past 10 years. I am old enough to remember if Tyrone won a Ulster title it was a big deal but the fact we have won 3 All Ireland titles over the last 10 years is incredible. I would like to wish Dublin the very best of luck for the rest of the championship as well as our neighbours in Down who had a great win over Kerry.  I have applied for a Tyrone Season Ticket for next year along with my wife who is a derry woman, there are now structures in Tyrone that will insure we will always be a force in Gaelic Football our protestant neighbours may not like this but I'm afraid to tell them the Tyrone flags that have been flying proud for the last 10 years and will be flying proud from now on. hopefully our Minor team can win the All-Ireland this year great to see the talent still flowing in Tyrone. So to end Total Faith Tir'Eoghain Abu'.

Quote from: RedHandMen on July 31, 2010, 06:33:38 PMour protestant neighbours may not like this but I'm afraid to tell them the Tyrone flags that have been flying proud for the last 10 years and will be flying proud from now on.

Take this sectarian shite and shove it where it belongs, which is not in a discussoin about our sport.

i agree wit hardy no place for this sectarian shit on this board mate!!!

Well Hardy when you get a christian knocking your door telling you to take your Tyrone Flag down although they fly a Union Jack 11 months of the year you can take the sectarian shite and eat it. Mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Oh right. Victimhood enters the discussion.

What has the religion of your alleged antagonist got to do with anything? Shove your sectarian crap.

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 06:57:39 PM
Oh right. Victimhood enters the discussion.

What has the religion of your alleged antagonist got to do with anything? Shove your sectarian crap.

*Notes and learns from wiley Meathman deflecting attention away from big Joe for tomorrow.*

Hardy what's with the our sport surely you would'nt be proclaiming Gaelic Games is for only one Community you Sectarian biggot.

Idiot!

Quote from: muppet on July 31, 2010, 07:00:29 PM

Quote from: Hardy on July 31, 2010, 06:57:39 PM
Oh right. Victimhood enters the discussion.

What has the religion of your alleged antagonist got to do with anything? Shove your sectarian crap.

*Notes and learns from wiley Meathman deflecting attention away from big Joe for tomorrow.*

Jesus! How did Big Joe find himself in here? And why would attention need to be deflected from him?

Quote from: RedHandMen on July 31, 2010, 07:01:49 PM
Hardy what's with the our sport surely you would'nt be proclaiming Gaelic Games is for only one Community you Sectarian biggot.

Where did he say that 'our' referred to Catholics? I assumed he meant GAA people.

Anyway, keep that crap out of a football thread.

Jesus this board is as bad as Hoganstand make a comment that one of the no life regulars dont like and all his girlfriends start crying about it lol. Buy the way no comment on the Christian that told didnt ask told me to take down my Tyrone flag I guess that was ok was that not sectarian hatred inbred over hundreads of years, I've made my comment obviously the Orange Order on this board dont like it well you can it eat shit and die. TIr'Eoghain Abu'.

Yeh - thought you were a classy guy OK.

Quote from: Take Your Points on July 31, 2010, 06:15:31 PM
They came home to roost today big time!

When the time came for action, it didn't happen:

1. The Cavanagh brothers were not taken off. How the younger one remained on the field was a mystery.

2. Dooher remained on the field for the whole game.

3. There was no one to bring on from one of the biggest benches in the country.

Questions have to be asked why the best manager over the last decade failed to make the changes when it counted today and the road to AI victory had been cleared by Down.

Tyrone have now reached the point that Armagh reached in 2006.  The cloak invincibility lies in tatters in Croke Park.

The conveyor belt of talent has been turned off for so long with failure to move talent forward at u21 or senior level for the last few years as the old hands began to stutter.  There has been no development young talent bar Peter Harte.

There can be no excuses that Ulster champions were held without football for too long before the QF.

I was thinking something similar in that I thought P Harte could have been introduced earlier. Dooher was indeed tiring. However, it's a fine line, had the goal not come we might be hailing M Harte's calm and saying he was right to make no subs. With Tyrone's experience, when they drew leve with the Mulligan point I thought we had Dublin were we wanted them, unfortunately they had other ideas.

If only we had Steven O'Neill in his form of last year or S Cav in 2008 form would have made the difference. Apart from Dooher I don't take the argument that age or 'miles on the clock' should be a factor for this Tyrone team, they are mainly still at a good age and should have been making better use of one of their last 2-3 years as a team.

Thought Cluxton was excellent in the last 10-15 minutes, he has a cooler head now than his younger days, controlled any balls that came into the small square with great authority.

The quadruple C will hardly trouble 'Berno' for his tap on Packie's shin?

Hardy, I know I am a good clean hard working Cathloic I dont need a low life like you to tell me so.

Quote from: RedHandMen on July 31, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
Jesus this board is as bad as Hoganstand make a comment that one of the no life regulars dont like and all his girlfriends start crying about it lol. Buy the way no comment on the Christian that told didnt ask told me to take down my Tyrone flag I guess that was ok was that not sectarian hatred inbred over hundreads of years, I've made my comment obviously the Orange Order on this board dont like it well you can it eat shit and die. TIr'Eoghain Abu'.

That explains a lot. You should run along back - they're probably missing you. 'lol' indeed.

Fcukety fcuk. Gonna get drunk on Islay Whisky now and post vitriol around 9pm.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?
I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!
Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave' ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!
Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times. And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95 ;)!
;D

stick that up your arse you sanctimonius git. And the next time you want to question the heritage of dublin football check the roll of honour.↲Well done to down. Take it all back. A sound bunch of lads. A great day. Well done to all. On a bender.

Quote from: RedHandMen on July 31, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
Jesus this board is as bad as Hoganstand make a comment that one of the no life regulars dont like and all his girlfriends start crying about it lol. Buy the way no comment on the Christian that told didnt ask told me to take down my Tyrone flag I guess that was ok was that not sectarian hatred inbred over hundreads of years, I've made my comment obviously the Orange Order on this board dont like it well you can it eat shit and die. TIr'Eoghain Abu'.

ooooo sour grapes i think :0 tpical from a tyrone supporter

Quote from: INDIANA on July 31, 2010, 07:29:29 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?
I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!
Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave' ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!
Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times. And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95 ;)!
;D

stick that up your arse you sanctimonius git. And the next time you want to question the heritage of dublin football check the roll of honour.↲Well done to down. Take it all back. A sound bunch of lads. A great day. Well done to all. On a bender.

Would you ever go for a nice pint.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 31, 2010, 07:29:29 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
The juxtaposition of the bravado of the Dublin lads on this board in the Dublin vs Tyrone quarter-final '08 against the corresponding fixture of 2010 is nothing short of breathtaking; how could those so full of hubris be reduced to the crumbling wrecks of circumspection and fragility that they now find their footballing egos to be inextricably lodged in?
I wish, as a Tyrone-exiled and Dublin-domiciled, I could empathise and identify fully with the predicament of being brought sharply back to footballing reality, where the ultimate win in 1995 through the twin mechanisms of both a player overstaying his legal time on the pitch and a perfectly valid equalising point being denied by the honest incompetency of an honest referee, was seen by the vast majority of Jacks as nothing more than the rightful restitution of a dubious footballing hierarchy and restoration of an even more dubious natural order!
Alas, those same Dubliners, the fantastic colour and beautiful and unrivalled cacophony notwithstanding, have no idea of the torture that some Tyronies have had to endure over the years. Like the humiliation in 1984, when as a young lad with a full head of (now seemingly magically) coloured hair, how I watched as those 'brutes' of Dublin men made a bee-line for the Hill 16 end to warm up, despite the fact that our 'brave' ;) Tyrone lads were already there; OK, they weren't much good in the game itself afterwards (minor detail), the psychology these days doesn't bear comparison, but to hear some of the Dubs now complain about the 'Trash-Talk' and the rest... yeah, right. Oh, the arrogance, bastids!
Well Dublin, what went around has come around (eventually), and ye know ye feckers, the result is almost an irrelevance tomorrow – it's been some fun hearing the silence in the Capital this week. That's a sound I am most unaccustomed to, despite having spent 13 Julys here at various times. And it's also why I'll have no sympathy whatsofcukinever if we turn you over in Croke once again. Your lads shouldn't have been the insufferable bullies they were in 1984, not to mention the cheats of '95 ;)!
;D

stick that up your arse you sanctimonius git. And the next time you want to question the heritage of dublin football check the roll of honour.↲Well done to down. Take it all back. A sound bunch of lads. A great day. Well done to all. On a bender.

The cheek of ya!  :D

Early thoughts:

Well done Gilroy. Although Tyrone kicked it away themselves (missed serious chances during the middle third of the second half) Dublin now employ defenders that can actually defend and half forwards who work. Tyrone had an off-day with decision making, belied their experience. Little went right. Dooher and Cavanagh took on shots early on in trying to score that inspirational point and it didn't come off. But maybe credit goes to Dublin for crowding the man in possession and then cutting off all targets. They hung in and hung in, waiting for that one chance. This year is all about Dublin exorcising the demons - forget about winning with style. When Tyrone won in 2003 the semi and final were their worst games in terms of expressing themselves.

As for Tyrone, have to take it on the chin. Some big regrets - Penrose's chance in the 35th minute would've crowned off that suffocating period with style and cracked the Dubs. Mugsy's pass to O'Neill when clean through - he wouldn't have attempted that if he really thought they were in danger of losing this. It'd have been over the bar. Personally, I thought Tyrone were the better side but had an off-day with finishing. They could've easily have been 5-6 points up after 60.  But, crap happens. But again, credit to the Dubs for pressurising the kicker. Tyrone hadn't been used to that since the NFL.

At this time there's usually a bit of fortune telling as regards the old hands. Beaten by Cork in the semis last year, beaten by an inexperienced Dublin in the quarters this year.....the players will make their own minds up. Mickey's calls - when they win it's genius, when they lose it's ineptitude. Odd timing with the O'Neill intro, esp as Tyrone had finished dominant in the first.

Brilliant for Down and was actually nervous for them during the game. Tyrone minors sublime.

End of an era in that we've no Kingdom or Red Hands in the senior final. Hope it's a Dub v Meath final, but think it'll be Cork v Kildare.