Bring on the Jackeens, glad we got a glamour tie. Cant wait now
Up Derry...
Anyone one of my northern friends wanna send me down a Derry jersey? ;D
Was at the Derry game last night and had a real feeling this would be the pairing.
I'm sure the media will have Dublin as favourites, but some of their fans and others will not be so confident.
There's always an upset around the quarters, Derry are better off playing the bigger sides where they go in motivated. It's not as if Dublin are light years ahead of Armagh/Mayo/Laois so think this could be a cracking game, tie of the round.
When is it?double-header?
Quote from: ExiledGael on July 29, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
Was at the Derry game last night and had a real feeling this would be the pairing.
I'm sure the media will have Dublin as favourites, but some of their fans and others will not be so confident.
There's always an upset around the quarters, Derry are better off playing the bigger sides where they go in motivated. It's not as if Dublin are light years ahead of Armagh/Mayo/Laois so think this could be a cracking game, tie of the round.
When is it?double-header?
im sure its a stand alone game on sat 11 aug. dont know what time
I think Saturday week - on its own - sure no stadium in the land could cope with both the Derry and Dub bandwagons and the Kerrya and Monaghan fans to boot!! Not an easy game, but I'd say Derry will be happy with it, the only problem is it leaves us on the tough side of the draw, win this and we play Kerry/monaghan, then possibly Tyrone/Meath/Cork in the final - still if we won Sam, it'd have been some roll of victims behind us - Armagh, Mayo, Laois, Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone - that's probably why we won't.
Dubs are very beatable - they've some good forwards, but we've got good backs - midfield could go either way, our full forward line probably have the beating of their full backs, we might be needing skinner for this one all the same lads?
Laoislad, don't be so tight, go on off to the O'Neills shop out round the Long Mile and buy yersell a shirt - sure you've plenty of time on your hands nowadays, driving round in your van pretending to be working, yet all the time looking up Debbie McGee websites using your vodafone mobile access card....
DubsForSam - what way you going to cheer for this one? What is your Derry connection anyway, I mind you telling us last year, but I cannae mind anymore.
At least us Derry wans won't have much bother getting our tickets for this one.
Where on earth will the two bus load of Derry hi supporters fit in Croke Park?
Great to hear Tohill saying it was a "great" draw for L/Derry initially. He then tried to backtrack with some Béalbochting later on. I hope his attitude and cockiness is shared by his countymen as it would suit Dublin no end to be disparaged and mocked no end by them prior to the game.Early psychological boost for Dubs.
Apologies to the true Derry people for the use of the L/ing of the county name of Doire Colmcille but the use of the term "Jackeen" in initial post needed a retort.
Quote from: Canalman on July 29, 2007, 07:10:08 PM
Great to hear Tohill saying it was a "great" draw for L/Derry initially. He then tried to backtrack with some Béalbochting later on. I hope his attitude and cockiness is shared by his countymen as it would suit Dublin no end to be disparaged and mocked no end by them prior to the game.Early psychological boost for Dubs.
Apologies to the true Derry people for the use of the L/ing of the county name of Doire Colmcille but the use of the term "Jackeen" in initial post needed a retort.
Ach now, I didn't think the cheekydubs were hyper sensitive, sure isn't jackeen a term of endearment. At least that's what I call the wife all the time - hmm, maybe that why I'm getting none?
Quote from: Canalman on July 29, 2007, 07:10:08 PM
Great to hear Tohill saying it was a "great" draw for L/Derry initially. He then tried to backtrack with some Béalbochting later on. I hope his attitude and cockiness is shared by his countymen as it would suit Dublin no end to be disparaged and mocked no end by them prior to the game.Early psychological boost for Dubs.
We may go home now big Anthony said that. The Dubs will be far too fired up for us to compete ;)
Overall, great draw, wanted the big game in croker. Derry's Full-Back line at the minute is flying and will contain anyone.
I think not to upset things in the Full-Back line playing Kevin McGuckin at Half Back, or maybe moving Mick McGoldrick out there. Hinphey struggled yday.
Is Diver nearly fit, i would have him straight in for Conway. Conway has done well, but Diver would be well up for a game like this.
Can't wait now all the same.
As for Skinner, Bogball, i dunno, surely if he hasn't played in 2 months its gonna be tough to get match fit.
Quote from: bailestil on July 29, 2007, 07:18:11 PMAs for Skinner, Bogball, i dunno, surely if he hasn't played in 2 months its gonna be tough to get match fit.
Aye, but sure it's only the Dubs we're playing, it'd be good to give him a run out before the Kerry/monaghan game don't you think?
No, seriously, I wouldn't start him, but I can definitely see a situation where he might have a role to play.
test
I predict that Derry will humilate the Dubs in Croker. Bradley and Muldoon to run riot.
I'm going to stick with my now traditional pessimism on this one, its served me well all summer. Usually as soon as I start to get excited Derry stick the knife in my chest.
Back me up here Lynchbhoy.
I cant f**king wait though.
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on July 29, 2007, 06:52:01 PM
im sure its a stand alone game on sat 11 aug. dont know what time
No its not. Derry/Dublin will be the extra to the Nicky Rackard Cup Final between those two powerhouses of the Hurling game Ros and Armagh.
At least with Derry's small support we'll have more tickets for the NR Final ;)
What's the situation with tickets??
When will any be released on ticketmaster?
Presume it will be a 2pm and 4pm set of games, surely the guards wouldn't let those Dubs drink all day before stumbling to a match at 7pm
Just thinking, I think someone should mention the potential Dublin vs Kerry Semi-final.
In fact the more people who mention it the better... :P
I read something last week in some paper that the Gardaí want dublin's game at 3pm.
Quote from: mc_grens on July 29, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
I'm going to stick with my now traditional pessimism on this one, its served me well all summer. Usually as soon as I start to get excited Derry stick the knife in my chest.
Back me up here Lynchbhoy.
I cant f**king wait though.
I'm with you on this one!
Good thing about this fixture is, no matter how much pressure/hype/expectation is on us, it won't be a drop in the ocean on what the boys in blue will be feeling!
The stage is set to find out who Derry's big guns really are!
could some one please help me, ive been to most of derrys games, league and championship, home and away, but im not involved with any gaa clubs. I really dont want to miss this one, whats the best way i could get tickets for this game. Is this it? http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18003EF4FA3E7149?artistid=944137&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229
Quote from: marty88 on July 29, 2007, 09:35:46 PM
could some one please help me, ive been to most of derrys games, league and championship, home and away, but im not involved with any gaa clubs. I really dont want to miss this one, whats the best way i could get tickets for this game. Is this it? http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18003EF4FA3E7149?artistid=944137&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229
Sometimes Derry have them on General Sale after the clubs have got their allocation. They normally sell them in Owenbeg, keep a look out on the derry website for details!
Quote from: Derry Devil on July 29, 2007, 09:38:08 PM
Quote from: marty88 on July 29, 2007, 09:35:46 PM
could some one please help me, ive been to most of derrys games, league and championship, home and away, but im not involved with any gaa clubs. I really dont want to miss this one, whats the best way i could get tickets for this game. Is this it? http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18003EF4FA3E7149?artistid=944137&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229
Sometimes Derry have them on General Sale after the clubs have got their allocation. They normally sell them in Owenbeg, keep a look out on the derry website for details!
So that link is for a different game? Only I thought the dubs were on with the tommy murphy game.
As far as I know Derry v Dublin is on Saturday 11th?
You will be able to get the tickets on Ticketmaster too ( http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/18003EF8995422AA?artistid=957727&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229 ) but if you get them from the Derry County Board at the general sale you'll be in with Derry ones whereas with ticketmaster it would be a mixed crowd, probably mostly dubs, not that it's a bad thing they're lovely people.
Maybe Derry should throw this game - it'd be good for football as a whole to see the Dubs v Kerry in an All Ireland semi wouldn't it?
The match will be on the 11th with a 4pm throw in.
From a reliable source!
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2007, 12:06:48 AM
The match will be on the 11th with a 4pm throw in.
From a reliable source!
On paddypower.com, its says throw-in is at 3.30pm. The earlier the better IMO.
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2007, 07:00:29 PM
Where on earth will the two bus load of Derry hi supporters fit in Croke Park?
Shouldnt be a problem now that Armagh arent there !!
Once again could those armagh people kindly cancel their reservations. The cheek of some people to book so far ahead.!!!
Interesting to see how the dubs fair with this one.
Go on Doire .
Very interesting game, Derry have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois yet havent really got the credit as each time they have been told the opposition was crap.
Dublin are on form so nows their chance to beat a form team, should be a cracker, I think both teams will be confident going into this one.
Looking forward to it.
Should be vey tight game, Derry seem to be playing well and improving all the time but so is this dublin team, think Caffery has slowly found our best 15 and with a reliable free taker i'm a lot more confident.
QuoteDublin are on form
In fairness Dublin haven't had to play a good team yet. This fixture will put it up to them.
this has the makings of a good game,apart from meath dublin have not really been tested yet and this will be a step up for them but unfortuately cant see past dublin.the midfield battle will not be one for the faint hearted,whelan and doherty are two hard men and when they clash expect the ground to move
I think this match is undoubtably the tie of the Quarters, i have been to the last 3 matches that the Dubs played in Croker (before you say anything, the other half is a Dub). The 2nd Meath match was of a good standard, but both the laios and in particular the Offlay match, were very dissappointing. On both occasions, Dublin ran and ran in the first half, when it came to the last 25 mins of the game there was something very interesting about the Dubs. They seemed to lay back, i mean they were just strolling round the pitch, sure i think it was 15 mins without a score in the offlay match!!
In my opinion if the boys (Doire) can keep up with the Dubs intensity at the start of the match, there will come a peroid were they will lay back and start to scratch themselves, that is when derry really need to pounce!
Also, do you think it will be a physical game??
I think you will see more players trying to wind the Dubs up given the controversy over their reactions to this in the last game.
And I think it will be physical but not dirty, hard hitting but fair.
Bogball.....
Ex Girlfriend is from Derry but still go to all their games with her....Will be a very interesting game alright....
Thought against Laois they were lucky that:
1 - Laois forwards were just midgets and couldn't kick the ball in long and they few times they did they caused problems...
2 - The ref certainly helped Derry out..but the better team won...
3 - They left Tom Kelly on Bradley...
Dublin won't pull out of tackles like Laois did, they will be far more physical in the contest for the breaking ball, they will be a lot better in midfield and will be physically able to handle the Derry players....
Griffen on Devlin, Henry on Gilligan should go in Dublins favour...
McConnell on Bradley advantage Derry
Casey on Muldoon advantage Derry
Cullen on Murphy, Cahill on Lynch advantage Dublin....
Derry will be well capable of beating the Dubs and will not fear playing them, the qualifiers has allowed them to build a team and work on the weak areas of their game. It was all doom and gloom for them after Monaghan (who have subsequently shown they are a top outfit) beat them but Monaghan dominated the game and only beat Derry by a point or 2. The Derry defence will be capable of holding the Dubs attack, while expect Doherty to be more than a match for Whelan in the middle. If Muldoon is on song Derry are in with a great shot.
Loughshore....
Laois scored 2-10 against that Derry defence and could have had more..and the Dublin attack is a lot more potent and an awful lot stronger physically....Docherty may match Whelan but Ryan will have a field day I would predict
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 30, 2007, 10:18:40 AM
Loughshore....
Laois scored 2-10 against that Derry defence and could have had more..and the Dublin attack is a lot more potent and an awful lot stronger physically....Docherty may match Whelan but Ryan will have a field day I would predict
I am not convinced about the Dubs attack, take out Alan Brogan and Keaney and they will stuggle for scores. McCloy I imagine will pick up Keaney and will suit him, Lockhart will probably pick up Brogan and would be more than capable of holding him. Throw into the mix Michael McGoldrick who is an excellent player and the returning Kevin McGuckin who is a real class act and I think Derry will be fit for them. Tyrone have shown in recent meetings against the Dubs they can be stifled and Derry will not fear playing them or been found wanting in the physical stakes. Ryan could do damage for the Dubs but then again Muldoon on his day could cause havoc also if Derry give him the free role he excels in.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 30, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 30, 2007, 10:18:40 AM
Loughshore....
Laois scored 2-10 against that Derry defence and could have had more..and the Dublin attack is a lot more potent and an awful lot stronger physically....Docherty may match Whelan but Ryan will have a field day I would predict
I am not convinced about the Dubs attack, take out Alan Brogan and Keaney and they will stuggle for scores. McCloy I imagine will pick up Keaney and will suit him, Lockhart will probably pick up Brogan and would be more than capable of holding him. Throw into the mix Michael McGoldrick who is an excellent player and the returning Kevin McGuckin who is a real class act and I think Derry will be fit for them. Tyrone have shown in recent meetings against the Dubs they can be stifled and Derry will not fear playing them or been found wanting in the physical stakes. Ryan could do damage for the Dubs but then again Muldoon on his day could cause havoc also if Derry give him the free role he excels in.
Well you can't argue with the stats, it is a wee bit worrying that Laois were able to run so easily through the derry defence to score the 2 goals, its something that the derry management have to address, i don't think that they have missed it tho.
Loughshore
Well I thought McCloy looked in trouble a number of times under the high ball and there were also a number of times that they let guys in behind them but Laois never kicked the ball in....Keaney will still score a number of points on him like he did to Darren Fay...
Brogan v's SML will be a good battle but I still see Brogan getting a couple of points...
Throw in Vaughan, Brogan also and I can see Dublin scoring enough....Against Tyrone Dublin still kicked good scores 1-14 in each game but Tyrones forwards scored more....I don't think Derry have the forwards like Tyrone did of O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, Canavan etc at the height of their powers....
In the 2 games where Derry played a team that where physically powerful - Armagh/Monaghan they struggled to score and I believe that will happen also against Dublin........you will not see Derry players bursting through tackles against Dublin or easily stopping Dublin players like they did to Laois...
Quote from: mc_grens on July 29, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
I'm going to stick with my now traditional pessimism on this one, its served me well all summer. Usually as soon as I start to get excited Derry stick the knife in my chest.
Back me up here Lynchbhoy.
I cant f**king wait though.
yer actually being too optimistic there McGrens
I can see Barry Gillis being replaced before HT with all the kick outs he's going to have to take from Dublin scores.
As we know Dublin forwards are too strong and quick for the old/small/bald Derry defence.
Midfield, no one outside of Derry has even heard of Doherty and Conway - Will have to bring back all six forwards to try and help mark Whelan.
Paul Murphy was in a body cast yesterday and wont be fit again until 2012. Paddy bradley might not play after falling out with the bus driver on the way home as he wasnt allowed to bring his carry out onto the bus.
Conleth Gilligan's parents refuse to let him cross the provincial border any more after the last time he did , ended up with him getting sick in mosney.
Derry's lucky run will finish in croke park. The whole footballing world will wait in eager anticipation for Dubs v kerry.
I cannot fecking wait myself for the game and Paddy crozier has demonstrated a willingness to learn and change tactical style that I previously thought he did not posess. Fair play to him.
Sure I may as well get a ticket and head over the the match to at lease see how badly beaten Derry get ! ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
Conleth Gilligan's parents refuse to let him cross the provincial border any more after the last time he did , ended up with him getting sick in mosney.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 30, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
Sure I may as well get a ticket and head over the the match to at lease see how badly beaten Derry get ! ;)
Don't forget to bring a good warm coat with ya, the weather forcast is giving heavy snow in and around the hill 16 area ;)
Lynchboy - Haven't seen any comments about the Derry defenders being bald or old... ;D
and some of us have seen a lot of them also and still are convinced Dublin will win!!! ;)
DubsforSam, who are you actually trying to convince? ;)
himself?? :)
Doesn't take a lot to convince me we can beat Derry ;D
Oh we CAN beat them for sure.
But theres a huge difference between CAN and WILL
Quote from: balladmaker on July 29, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I predict that Derry will humilate the Dubs in Croker. Bradley and Muldoon to run riot.
So your saying you predict a riot ;D
Quote from: Star Spangler on July 30, 2007, 09:40:52 AM
QuoteDublin are on form
In fairness Dublin haven't had to play a good team yet. This fixture will put it up to them.
Yet Meath are being called a good team left and right and Derry didn't over impress against Laois
You're a Dub - you of all people should know not to always believe what the media tells you.
Quote from: Star Spangler on July 30, 2007, 11:26:18 AM
You're a Dub - you of all people should know not to always believe what the media tells you.
Its not just the larry , curly and moe from the Sunday game who are saying it , people on this board are saying it too.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 30, 2007, 10:05:22 AM
Bogball.....
Ex Girlfriend is from Derry but still go to all their games with her....Will be a very interesting game alright....
Thought against Laois they were lucky that:
1 - Laois forwards were just midgets and couldn't kick the ball in long and they few times they did they caused problems...
2 - The ref certainly helped Derry out..but the better team won...
3 - They left Tom Kelly on Bradley...
Dublin won't pull out of tackles like Laois did, they will be far more physical in the contest for the breaking ball, they will be a lot better in midfield and will be physically able to handle the Derry players....
Griffen on Devlin, Henry on Gilligan should go in Dublins favour...
McConnell on Bradley advantage Derry
Casey on Muldoon advantage Derry
Cullen on Murphy, Cahill on Lynch advantage Dublin....
She must be still putting out for ya so ;)
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 30, 2007, 10:33:29 AM
Well you can't argue with the stats, it is a wee bit worrying that Laois were able to run so easily through the derry defence to score the 2 goals, its something that the derry management have to address, i don't think that they have missed it tho.
yeah, but they broke through the dubs defence countless times too - just couldn't finish - infacta, I think if they'd kept their heads and not decided to go for goal from 5 mins into the second half, they might just have troubled the dubs quite a bit more.
Very true they played most of the second half as if it were the last minute and they were three down.
could have taken several easy points instead.
Derry to silence the Hill and go on to win - Deery in the semis !
Derry to do a tyrone, and go to the hill before it starts to warm up! The Craic would be 90!!!
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 30, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Very true they played most of the second half as if it were the last minute and they were three down.
could have taken several easy points instead.
And if they did Dublin would of went up the other end and matched them point for point but these are major if's and's here at the end of the day dublin beat them well
I Think that you are all forgetting one very important point........... Dublin have a while bad habit of laying back for 10 15 mins near the end of every match!
If it happens you could see some easy scores from the Oak Leafers!
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 30, 2007, 11:59:07 AM
I Think that you are all forgetting one very important point........... Dublin have a while bad habit of laying back for 10 15 mins near the end of every match!
If it happens you could see some easy scores from the Oak Leafers!
Marty
We didn't against Meath when it counted and as long as we are 8/9 points up I don't mind you getting a few easy scores... 8)
This will be a game about the backs
Can Dublin contain Derry's forward threat?
Will Derry's back's be a soft as they where against Laois?
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Quote from: Gnevin on July 30, 2007, 12:09:10 PM
This will be a game about the backs
Can Dublin contain Derry's forward threat?
Will Derry's back's be a soft as they where against Laois?
I think it will be more about midfield/breaking ball....whoever wins this area will win the match...
This is a game where Dublin have to favoured but in Doherty, Lockhart and McGoldrick Derry have players that can stop Dublin's marquee names.
It is the first time this season that Dublin will have played against a decent defense. It will be a real test as to whether their forwards have improved. I think that Derry are trouble by pacey teams and this is where Dublin may have a crucial advantage.
Should be a good game though.
This is from a challenge match 2 weeks before the first dublin and meath game.
Late minute Magee goal seals Dubs win
DUBLIN 2-8 DERRY 0-11
A last minute goal from Darren Magee gave Dublin victory in this SF challenge at Na Fianna's grounds on St Mobhi Road on Saturday afternoon.
The game looked to be petering out to a draw but the Dubs mustered one last attack and were rewarded when the big Kilmacud midfielder fired to the net at the end of a move initiated by Declan Lally back in his own defence.
Dublin started brightly with the long early delivery towards Conal Keaney paying dividends and they led 0-3 to 0-1 after eight minutes.
Just before the midpoint of the opening half Barry Cahill was put through on goal by Keaney but he fired his shot wide of Barry Gillis' left hand post.
Three minutes later Keaney extended the Dubs lead with a fine point on the turn following a good pass from Cahill.
But from then to the break Dublin began using the wings more to very limited effort as Derry showed the greater accuracy in attack with corner-forward Mark Lynch kicking two superb angled points from out wide on the right wing.
The Oak Leaf County spurned a goal opportunity themselves when full-forward Enda Muldoon cut through the Dublin defence but could only find the side-netting.
Dublin led at the interval 0-6 to 0-5 after Keaney concluded the first half scoring in the 33rd minute following an excellent fetch by Darren Magee at midfield and strong running from Paul Griffin.
But inside the first minute of the restart Derry were level. A diagonal ball from Conleth Gilligan was midjudged by Ross McConnell and Muldoon tapped over for his third point from play shortly before going off injured.
Ray Wilkinson edged Derry in front for the first time in the 37th minute but Mark Vaughan netted two minutes later after Keaney's original effort was blocked out.
The sides went 20 minutes without a score between the 13th and 33th minute of the second half - with the Dubs guilty of some bad wides including three frees from Tomas Quinn (two) and one from Vaughan - before Wilkinson punished a badly misplaced pass from Stephen O'Shaughnessy to level the game.
But the home side marked the official opening of Na Fianna's new clubhouse and all-weather pitch with a Dublin victory when Lally foraged deep inside his own half to win possession before carrying the ball into Derry territory and which culminated in Keaney placing Magee who fired the winner.
SCORERS - Dublin: C Keaney 0-4 (0-1f), M Vaughan, D Magee 1-0 each, C Moran, D Connolly, T Quinn, G Brennan 0-1 each. Derry: E Muldoon, M Lynch, R Wilkinson 0-3 each, B McGoldrick, C Gilligan (0-1f) 0-1 each.
DUBLIN - S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; D Magee, C Whelan; C Moran, S Ryan, D Connolly; M Vaughan, C Keaney, T Quinn. Subs: J Magee for Whelan, G Brennan for Cahill, D Lally for Quinn, S O'Shaughnessy for Henry, P Flynn for Moran, D Murray for Connolly, C Goggins for Cullen.
DERRY - B Gillis; M McGoldrick, K McCloy, G O'Kane; P Cartin, SM Lockhart, C McKeever; F Doherty, J Diver; B McGoldrick, C Gilligan, G Donaghy; R Wilkinson, E Muldoon, M Lynch. Subs: P Murphy for Muldoon, Patsy Bradley for Cartin, J Conway for Diver, J Keenan for McCloy, E Lynn for B McGoldrick.
REF - P McEnaney (Monaghan).
I'd say it will be a different contest at HQ on 11th August - challenge matches won't count for much then.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2007, 01:28:50 PM
I'd say it will be a different contest at HQ on 11th August - challenge matches won't count for much then.
How many you think the dubs will win by this time?
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2007, 01:28:50 PM
I'd say it will be a different contest at HQ on 11th August - challenge matches won't count for much then.
It was level until the last minute, do you not expect a close game this time?
I can see Derry causing an upset - Derry have nothing to lose and most of the country but more importantly Dublin think they're going to win the All Ireland which is a very dangerous mindset to have.
Quote from: Barney on July 30, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
This is a game where Dublin have to favoured but in Doherty, Lockhart and McGoldrick Derry have players that can stop Dublin's marquee names.
It is the first time this season that Dublin will have played against a decent defense. It will be a real test as to whether their forwards have improved. I think that Derry are trouble by pacey teams and this is where Dublin may have a crucial advantage.
Should be a good game though.
Barney
So Meath don't have a decent defence then????? That Derry defence conceeded as much as we did against a weaker Laois team...Derry have trouble against pacey strong teams...
Derry stand a real chance lads, they were the underdogs against both mayo and Armagh, Its seems they like this title. Plus all the media hipe that Dublin will recieve in the next couple of weeks can't hurt the Oak Leafers either
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2007, 01:35:17 PM
most of the country but more importantly Dublin think they're going to win the All Ireland which is a very dangerous mindset to have.
What a bizarre comment. Pure Drivel.
Dublin have a chance of winning the All Ireland but all of the country would rate them behind Kerry and Tyrone and most of Dublin would too.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2007, 01:35:17 PM
I can see Derry causing an upset - Derry have nothing to lose and most of the country but more importantly Dublin think they're going to win the All Ireland which is a very dangerous mindset to have.
Orangman, who from the Dublin camp or what Dublin fans on here have said they think they are going to win the All Ireland??
Thats a crazy statement, maybe its what you would like to think so you can give out about it, but dont make these things up ::)
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2007, 01:41:33 PMDublin have a chance of winning the All Ireland but all of the country would rate them behind Kerry and Tyrone and most of Dublin would too.
I don't - I rate think the overall standard is pretty level this year - no team stands out at all - anyone in the quarters can beat anyone else (well, I don't think Sligo will have enough, would love them to beat Cork, but I can't see it).
Kerry have done nothing yet this year and could easily have lost to Cork.
Cork are no better or worse than Kerry, this year, for the first time, I think Cork could have the beating of Kerry outside Munster if they were to meet again.
Dublin have looked very good at times, but I don't think they were as easy winners against Laois as people are suggesting - Laois were the better side for most of the first half, and in the second half took the wrong option too many times, they frequently had the Dubs defence in trouble.
Meath, again, Meath could easily turn the tables on the Dubs imo, they could have taken either game against the Dubs with a bit of luck (reffing decisions particularly vital the first day).
Tyrone are overrated, I think Meath will beat them, primarily because of injuries, but they're not the team people make them out to be.
Monaghan, could beat Kerry, I don't think they'll win Sam, but they're not far away at the minute.
Derry - who knows, we could beat anyone or equally our wee lads might freeze on the big occasion, what with all them dubs on the hill shouting obscenitites (they likes of which our players normally only get from their own fans), it just might be too much for them. Again, we don't look good enough to take Sam, but then who does??
I agree largely with Bogball. Although if Kerry and Tyrone are at their best I'd definitely rate them a step ahead of everyone else. But as Bogball said, there's a fair chance they won't be at their best. I think all 4 underdogs have a decent chance in their quarter-finals, and none of the 8 remaining teams have "no chance" of winning Sam.
Dublin 1/3 Draw 15/2 Derry 3/1
Bit of value with derry there i think. On the handicap you will probably get +3 points at Even's.
the 2 week break will do Derry no harm, with Lynch, McGoldrick and Murphy picking up injuries and retiring against Laois. Any one any updates on these? Plus another 2 weeks will help Kevin McGuckin and help Eoin Bradley's cause. However he did not even warm up once during the Laois game, i thought he would have been thrown in near the end up front.
Really looking froward to the match. I genuinely think derry can spring a surprise but it will take some big performances. My worry is that we could maybe snuff out one of the Dub's forwards like Keaney / Brogan / Vaughan but it would be some task keeping them all relatively quiet on the scoring front on the one day. But we have the players to step up to themark so who knows?!
Dublin's kick outs are well documented so derry will have to do their homework here i.e who is going to track Shane Ryan out to the wings to try and thwart this.
There's talk of Derry maybe being fazed by the occassion and all but all the team has played in Croker before betwen Minors, 01, 04 and 05. Only one's who im not sure have played there are; Hinphey, Conway and Devlin, correct me if im wrong. But i wouldnt be too worried about these lads anyway and im sure they could adapt the best.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2007, 08:51:19 PM
I read something last week in some paper that the Gardaí want dublin's game at 3pm.
On at 3 pm per GAA website fixtures list. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2007, 08:51:19 PM
I read something last week in some paper that the Gardaí want dublin's game at 3pm.
On at 3 pm per GAA website fixtures list. ;)
That's settled then, it might begin by 4 pm so. ;)
Great to see the double header Minor and Senior.
As for the croker park thing, as you say bandit, everyone has played there before, most in an AI Semi against Kerry. The atmosphere shouldn't make too much of a difference to them, if they have the experience.
Playing against Kerry in front of 32k is totally different in atmosphere terms to playing Dublin in front of 82k
Did Devlin not get an appearance against Laois in 05
Hinphy plaued in the Nicky Rackard final last year.
I know this occeasion will be much different but at least Croke wont be completely alien to them
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2007, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2007, 08:51:19 PM
I read something last week in some paper that the Gardaí want dublin's game at 3pm.
On at 3 pm per GAA website fixtures list. ;)
That's settled then, it might begin by 4 pm so. ;)
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Quote from: Bogball XV on July 30, 2007, 02:03:05 PM
Tyrone are overrated, I think Meath will beat them, primarily because of injuries, but they're not the team people make them out to be.
In fairness Tyrone are the Ulster champions - that must be worth something at least!
Quote from: Star Spangler on July 30, 2007, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 30, 2007, 02:03:05 PM
Tyrone are overrated, I think Meath will beat them, primarily because of injuries, but they're not the team people make them out to be.
In fairness Tyrone are the Ulster champions - that must be worth something at least!
Look I'm the first to acknowledge how good this Tyrone team can be, but I just think they've too many injury problems to warrant the rating of second favs for the All Ireland.
Quote from: headtheball on July 30, 2007, 01:24:50 PM
This is from a challenge match 2 weeks before the first dublin and meath game.
Late minute Magee goal seals Dubs win
DUBLIN 2-8 DERRY 0-11
A last minute goal from Darren Magee gave Dublin victory in this SF challenge at Na Fianna's grounds on St Mobhi Road on Saturday afternoon.
The game looked to be petering out to a draw but the Dubs mustered one last attack and were rewarded when the big Kilmacud midfielder fired to the net at the end of a move initiated by Declan Lally back in his own defence.
Dublin started brightly with the long early delivery towards Conal Keaney paying dividends and they led 0-3 to 0-1 after eight minutes.
Just before the midpoint of the opening half Barry Cahill was put through on goal by Keaney but he fired his shot wide of Barry Gillis' left hand post.
Three minutes later Keaney extended the Dubs lead with a fine point on the turn following a good pass from Cahill.
But from then to the break Dublin began using the wings more to very limited effort as Derry showed the greater accuracy in attack with corner-forward Mark Lynch kicking two superb angled points from out wide on the right wing.
The Oak Leaf County spurned a goal opportunity themselves when full-forward Enda Muldoon cut through the Dublin defence but could only find the side-netting.
Dublin led at the interval 0-6 to 0-5 after Keaney concluded the first half scoring in the 33rd minute following an excellent fetch by Darren Magee at midfield and strong running from Paul Griffin.
But inside the first minute of the restart Derry were level. A diagonal ball from Conleth Gilligan was midjudged by Ross McConnell and Muldoon tapped over for his third point from play shortly before going off injured.
Ray Wilkinson edged Derry in front for the first time in the 37th minute but Mark Vaughan netted two minutes later after Keaney's original effort was blocked out.
The sides went 20 minutes without a score between the 13th and 33th minute of the second half - with the Dubs guilty of some bad wides including three frees from Tomas Quinn (two) and one from Vaughan - before Wilkinson punished a badly misplaced pass from Stephen O'Shaughnessy to level the game.
But the home side marked the official opening of Na Fianna's new clubhouse and all-weather pitch with a Dublin victory when Lally foraged deep inside his own half to win possession before carrying the ball into Derry territory and which culminated in Keaney placing Magee who fired the winner.
SCORERS - Dublin: C Keaney 0-4 (0-1f), M Vaughan, D Magee 1-0 each, C Moran, D Connolly, T Quinn, G Brennan 0-1 each. Derry: E Muldoon, M Lynch, R Wilkinson 0-3 each, B McGoldrick, C Gilligan (0-1f) 0-1 each.
DUBLIN - S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; D Magee, C Whelan; C Moran, S Ryan, D Connolly; M Vaughan, C Keaney, T Quinn. Subs: J Magee for Whelan, G Brennan for Cahill, D Lally for Quinn, S O'Shaughnessy for Henry, P Flynn for Moran, D Murray for Connolly, C Goggins for Cullen.
DERRY - B Gillis; M McGoldrick, K McCloy, G O'Kane; P Cartin, SM Lockhart, C McKeever; F Doherty, J Diver; B McGoldrick, C Gilligan, G Donaghy; R Wilkinson, E Muldoon, M Lynch. Subs: P Murphy for Muldoon, Patsy Bradley for Cartin, J Conway for Diver, J Keenan for McCloy, E Lynn for B McGoldrick.
REF - P McEnaney (Monaghan).
I dont know about Dublin, but I know the Derry team named above will be nothing like the team that will start against the Dubs in the quarters.
Wouldnt read anything into this at all.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 30, 2007, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Barney on July 30, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
This is a game where Dublin have to favoured but in Doherty, Lockhart and McGoldrick Derry have players that can stop Dublin's marquee names.
It is the first time this season that Dublin will have played against a decent defense. It will be a real test as to whether their forwards have improved. I think that Derry are trouble by pacey teams and this is where Dublin may have a crucial advantage.
Should be a good game though.
Barney
So Meath don't have a decent defence then????? That Derry defence conceeded as much as we did against a weaker Laois team...Derry have trouble against pacey strong teams...
Do you think Dublin are a pacier team than Laois? I know they are more physical but are they faster?
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 30, 2007, 08:26:47 PM
I dont know about Dublin, but I know the Derry team named above will be nothing like the team that will start against the Dubs in the quarters.
Wouldnt read anything into this at all.
Pretty close to the Dublin team actually! Main diff being the absence of the Brogans
Quote from: Loup Bandit on July 30, 2007, 03:28:54 PM
Dublin 1/3 Draw 15/2 Derry 3/1
Bit of value with derry there i think. On the handicap you will probably get +3 points at Even's.
the 2 week break will do Derry no harm, with Lynch, McGoldrick and Murphy picking up injuries and retiring against Laois. Any one any updates on these? Plus another 2 weeks will help Kevin McGuckin and help Eoin Bradley's cause. However he did not even warm up once during the Laois game, i thought he would have been thrown in near the end up front.
Really looking froward to the match. I genuinely think derry can spring a surprise but it will take some big performances. My worry is that we could maybe snuff out one of the Dub's forwards like Keaney / Brogan / Vaughan but it would be some task keeping them all relatively quiet on the scoring front on the one day. But we have the players to step up to themark so who knows?!
Dublin's kick outs are well documented so derry will have to do their homework here i.e who is going to track Shane Ryan out to the wings to try and thwart this.
There's talk of Derry maybe being fazed by the occassion and all but all the team has played in Croker before betwen Minors, 01, 04 and 05. Only one's who im not sure have played there are; Hinphey, Conway and Devlin, correct me if im wrong. But i wouldnt be too worried about these lads anyway and im sure they could adapt the best.
Murphy's injury is supposed to be quite serious. Waiting on a knee scan by all accounts.
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2007, 08:30:45 PMPretty close to the Dublin team actually! Main diff being the absence of the Brogans
Sure they're not up to much anyway ;)
As Derry were missing the Bradleys that probably levels it up?
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 30, 2007, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2007, 08:30:45 PMPretty close to the Dublin team actually! Main diff being the absence of the Brogans
Sure they're not up to much anyway ;)
As Derry were missing the Bradleys that probably levels it up?
Absolutely. So we'll be level as the game heads into injury time, then Darren Magee will come off the bench to score the winning goal! I'd say... ;)
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!! Maybe then him and the ignorant Pat Spillane will give big Anthony a chance to say somethin!
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2007, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 30, 2007, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2007, 08:30:45 PMPretty close to the Dublin team actually! Main diff being the absence of the Brogans
Sure they're not up to much anyway ;)
As Derry were missing the Bradleys that probably levels it up?
Absolutely. So we'll be level as the game heads into injury time, then Darren Magee will come off the bench to score the winning goal! I'd say... ;)
I'd say Loneshark would give you pretty good odds on Dazzer scoring the last (and winning) goal!!
Kevin McCloy is a major doubt for the Q-Final. He has a very badly fractured finger that was initially damaged against Mayo and got another bad knock very early on against Laois. This might go someway to explaining his hesitant pperformance under the high ball. If the game was next weekend he would definelty not be able to play and they are hoping another weeks healing time might be enough for him but his chances are less than 50/50 at the minute.
Best of luck to Derry and they will need it, I can see the durty dubs getting a few handy free's to help them on their way.
Derry have the beating of Dublin and I hope they do but it will be close. prediction Derry 1-11 dublin 1-9.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 30, 2007, 09:46:01 PM
Kevin McCloy is a major doubt for the Q-Final. He has a very badly fractured finger that was initially damaged against Mayo and got another bad knock very early on against Laois. This might go someway to explaining his hesitant pperformance under the high ball. If the game was next weekend he would definelty not be able to play and they are hoping another weeks healing time might be enough for him but his chances are less than 50/50 at the minute.
Didn't hear this anywhere, huge blow if true, has been a massive player for them so far this year, his strength would be a major loss against the Dubs
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!! Maybe then him and the ignorant Pat Spillane will give big Anthony a chance to say somethin!
Tohill didnt hesitate in interrupting and contradicting Lyons last weekend, when Lyons was criticising Derry for moving the ball too slowly. I dont think he needs anybody's help in standing up for himself.
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2007, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!! Maybe then him and the ignorant Pat Spillane will give big Anthony a chance to say somethin!
Tohill didnt hesitate in interrupting and contradicting Lyons last weekend, when Lyons was criticising Derry for moving the ball too slowly. I dont think he needs anybody's help in standing up for himself.
You're right there hound he didn't really hesitate, he just couldn't get a word in with both Lyons and Spillane bitching about the Game. From all accounts i heard that it was a brilliant match if you were there! I heard this from a number of people!
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!!
Jaysus I'd nearly cheer for Derry myself to see that ;)
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 31, 2007, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2007, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!! Maybe then him and the ignorant Pat Spillane will give big Anthony a chance to say somethin!
Tohill didnt hesitate in interrupting and contradicting Lyons last weekend, when Lyons was criticising Derry for moving the ball too slowly. I dont think he needs anybody's help in standing up for himself.
You're right there hound he didn't really hesitate, he just couldn't get a word in with both Lyons and Spillane bitching about the Game. From all accounts i heard that it was a brilliant match if you were there! I heard this from a number of people!
Did you watch the Sunday Game? I didn't hear anybody bitching, Lyons offered a bit of constructive criticism that Derry on occasion move the ball too slowly out of defence - but as Derry fans we all know that. He also pointed the numerous incidences where the high ball worried Derry, that also did happen, but I don't think the Dubs have anyone of the stature of Barry Moran or Brendan Quigley who will be able to cause similar problems (Kerry in the semi, if they get there might though!!).
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 31, 2007, 09:08:17 AM
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 31, 2007, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 31, 2007, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Oak Leafer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I hope Derry won this game, if only to wipe the smug look off that Tommy Lyons f**kers face!! Maybe then him and the ignorant Pat Spillane will give big Anthony a chance to say somethin!
Tohill didnt hesitate in interrupting and contradicting Lyons last weekend, when Lyons was criticising Derry for moving the ball too slowly. I dont think he needs anybody's help in standing up for himself.
You're right there hound he didn't really hesitate, he just couldn't get a word in with both Lyons and Spillane bitching about the Game. From all accounts i heard that it was a brilliant match if you were there! I heard this from a number of people!
Did you watch the Sunday Game? I didn't hear anybody bitching, Lyons offered a bit of constructive criticism that Derry on occasion move the ball too slowly out of defence - but as Derry fans we all know that. He also pointed the numerous incidences where the high ball worried Derry, that also did happen, but I don't think the Dubs have anyone of the stature of Barry Moran or Brendan Quigley who will be able to cause similar problems (Kerry in the semi, if they get there might though!!).
Ok Bitching wasn't the right word, but do you not get the feeling that they always see the bad side in a game, which involves Northern teams (not just the derry match) Did any of you hear either spillane or Lyons say anything about the quality of the points taken?? Again i heard that if you were there you would have seen that they were putting them over from all angles. (again this is a 3rd party source i wasn't there myself)
If you don't think Dub;lin have anybody who can cause damage under a high ball then you havent been watching Conal Keaney
Has anyone else had problems getting tickets this morning on ticketmaster????
yep, nothing coming up on ticketmaster, on 'currently not for sale'
They were coming up for sale but couldn't even get a single ticket anywhere..... ???
You not a club member Dubsforsam ;)
Holiness
Spent too many years travelling and playing abroad and only back here since just before Christmas and heading off again soon...
Club-members I know can't even get them....
it never came up 'tickets for sale' for me at any time, i assume there isnt anymore tickets for sale?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 10:21:34 AM
Holiness
Spent too many years travelling and playing abroad and only back here since just before Christmas and heading off again soon...
Club-members I know can't even get them....
Ah god bless the parnel pass, no more worries at this time of year ;)
Got 2 + 6 off toutmaster
F**king ghouls >:(
http://www.needaticket.ie/product_info.php?products_id=206
Lucky man GNEVIN
Had account open before 10 and couldn't even get a single ticket..... >:(
If I got my hands on the people selling them on that needaticket site they wouldn't need a ticket again >:(
Anyone got any idea of what the "official" allocation of tickets will be amongst the counties?
If you lads have any contacts in Roscommon / Cork / Armagh you may be able to get tickets because Derry minors play Cork, then Nicky R Cup final between armagh and roscommon.
Thankfully i ahve tickets and all sorted! :)
Quite confident of getting more, any one wanna start the bidding....? :D
Derry should get 15,000 odd?
FFS Keaney is a better footballer than the likes of Donaghy, Moran, Quigley - but I wouldn't class him as the same type of threat to the Derry full back line as these guys - he's more mobile for a start, that can cause McCloy a different set of problems.
I cant see why they wont, would 15,000 travel?
I reckon they'd get the guts of 15,000 travelling anyway - maybe more, perhaps the lads up there can let me know if they've captured the imagination of the county yet?
Imagination I dont know, but people are taking notice.
Dubs are a lot more worried now than if you told them 2 months ago they would have Derry in the 1/4 final.
QuoteDubs are a lot more worried now than if you told them 2 months ago they would have Derry in the 1/4 final.
Derry have beaten Armagh and Mayo, teams that have worried Dublin in the past. Had Armagh squeezed past Derry I would have given them every chance against Dublin at this stage.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 31, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
QuoteDubs are a lot more worried now than if you told them 2 months ago they would have Derry in the 1/4 final.
Derry have beaten Armagh and Mayo, teams that have worried Dublin in the past. Had Armagh squeezed past Derry I would have given them every chance against Dublin at this stage.
It's along time since Dublin and Armagh played and Mayo are in their post All-Ireland ass handed to them slump
Am I right in saying its 2003 since we played Armagh?
4 years is a long time and Armagh have been getting visibly worse over that time.
the derry and armagh game was in the melting point right until the very end, i dont see any reason why armagh could not have progressed to this stage as well, both teams were open to a lot of improvement after their provincial exits.
Bogball, not sure bout 15,000. You could be right though. Plus with derry minors playing that will help on the ticket front too. Typical GAA though, putting the derry v cork minor game on at 11.30 then the hurling game in between then the big one at 3pm! lot of derry folk will want to see the minors but its some wait through the hurling which they wouldnt be interested in!!
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 10:21:34 AM
Holiness
Spent too many years travelling and playing abroad and only back here since just before Christmas and heading off again soon...
Club-members I know can't even get them....
Ah god bless the parnel pass, no more worries at this time of year ;)
Got the PP this year and foolishly offered my normal tickets to family and now have to get them tickets so in same place as last year . :'(
Bogball - not sure about 15k at all......sure they had about 700-800 at Clones for the Armagh game and only about 5k tops at Breffni.....though I do know contacts in Derry who are worried they won't get tickets even after going to all teh matches!!!!!
Loup - Will be good for the Derry folk to see some hurling and realise there is more than 1 GAA game... ;)
Yeah, saying as Derry won said competition last year.......... ::)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 12:14:03 PM
Bogball - not sure about 15k at all......sure they had about 700-800 at Clones for the Armagh game and only about 5k tops at Breffni.....though I do know contacts in Derry who are worried they won't get tickets even after going to all teh matches!!!!!
Loup - Will be good for the Derry folk to see some hurling and realise there is more than 1 GAA game... ;)
I'd say we'll get at least 10,00 going to this match next week. That's pretty massive for a Derry support let me tell you!
As for that last comment DFS, give me a game of hurling before the Derry match no problem and I'll be only too happy to watch it but if you are trying to describe this farce between Armagh and Roscommon as a game of hurling you are sadly mistaken. Hurling is what we witnessed on Sunday past, this abomination to be played before the Derry Dublin match wouldn't even be a distant cousin of what we saw at Croker on Sunday past.
Screen
To be honest if you get 10k tickets I think that is a disgrace considering the lack of support you have had in all your other matches especially as people who travel the country to go to games are going to miss out...and having been to lots of Derry matches I know 10k would be an awful lot alright!!!!
Well we had to sit through Derry last year in the hurling and that was of the same standard as what will be on show that weekend...
The GAA have confirmed that tickets placed on general sale for the Bank of Ireland football championship quarter final between Dublin and Derry on August 11th have sold out.
All other tickets for the event will be distributed through County Boards in the participating counties. It is not expected that there will be any further sale of tickets for the event as it is unlikely that there will be any returns from the respective counties.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 12:41:40 PM
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To be honest if you get 10k tickets I think that is a disgrace considering the lack of support you have had in all your other matches especially as people who travel the country to go to games are going to miss out...and having been to lots of Derry matches I know 10k would be an awful lot alright!!!!
Well we had to sit through Derry last year in the hurling and that was of the same standard as what will be on show that weekend...
I'd be shocked if any Derry fan wanting a ticket couldn't get one DFS - seriously shocked. If you know anyone needing one, they have to tell their local club secretary by tonight, even if they're not a club member, as long as they know a club member there shouldn't be any bother.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 12:41:40 PM
Screen
To be honest if you get 10k tickets I think that is a disgrace considering the lack of support you have had in all your other matches especially as people who travel the country to go to games are going to miss out...and having been to lots of Derry matches I know 10k would be an awful lot alright!!!!
Well we had to sit through Derry last year in the hurling and that was of the same standard as what will be on show that weekend...
The other thing is, how many Dubs go to away games countrywide? When we played ye up in Clones 4 years ago, trhere weren't that many of ye up - 10/12k max? I know there weren't many of us there either, but we were boycotting the game because of the GAA's disgraceful shenanigans concerning the venue.
Dubsforsam - My point is this, the hurling could have been played first then the minor game in which Derry are playing then the senior game. I have no problem with Hurling at all.
Being brutally honest i have no desire to see this game though but had intended on seeing the minor game in which my county are playing.
So if im going to go to see the derry minor game, it has an 11.30 start, then having to sit through a hurling game where my county is not playing to wait for the big game.
Quote from: hardstation on July 31, 2007, 01:04:28 PM
In other words, important drinking time is lost.
One solution. Hip flask.
Another solution - drink at the bars inside the ground, they're everywhere now!!
Quote from: Loup Bandit on July 31, 2007, 01:00:33 PM
Dubsforsam - My point is this, the hurling could have been played first then the minor game in which Derry are playing then the senior game. I have no problem with Hurling at all.
Being brutally honest i have no desire to see this game though but had intended on seeing the minor game in which my county are playing.
So if im going to go to see the derry minor game, it has an 11.30 start, then having to sit through a hurling game where my county is not playing to wait for the big game.
early start alright for the minor match,will just have to injoy the benifits of the prem level ;D i'll be in some shape come the senior match
Bogball - That is what I am telling her also....but she has had bad experiences before in terms of getting tickets....
Loup - ah sure it will give you a chance to watch a game where you don't have to worry about being badly beaten though.... ;)
Bensars - "Shouldnt be a problem now that Armagh arent there !!
Once again could those armagh people kindly cancel their reservations. The cheek of some people to book so far ahead.!!!"
we were simply anticipating Armagh hurlers making the Nicky Rackard Cup Final... the cheek of some people
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 12:41:40 PM
Screen
To be honest if you get 10k tickets I think that is a disgrace considering the lack of support you have had in all your other matches especially as people who travel the country to go to games are going to miss out...and having been to lots of Derry matches I know 10k would be an awful lot alright!!!!
Well we had to sit through Derry last year in the hurling and that was of the same standard as what will be on show that weekend...
Feck that if there are 10,000 Derry fans who want to go to the match why shouldn't they??? We do get a lot of people knocking us for our lack of support but to be fair we have had a lot of people turning out this year. THere were 17,000 at the replayed Antrim match, we had a decent enough crowd for the Monaghan game, in fairness nobody went to the Armagh match but since then the support has been good with a massive crowd at Celtic park for Mayo and a decent crowd on Saturday past... long may it continue!!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 01:58:08 PM
... in fairness nobody went to the Armagh match but since then the support has been good with a massive crowd at Celtic park for Mayo and a decent crowd on Saturday past... long may it continue!!!
Sounds like a bandwagon – I thought the Dubs were the only ones with supporters like that. ;)
Screen - cause they are taking tickets from people who have been going all championbship...as teh comment in the Irish News today - "Derry fans only come out when there is a sniff of glory"...
I was at the replay and the beautiful day/free entry attracted lots more people but there was no way 17k Derry fans at that match...
I think a few of you mexicans should be getting off yourf high horse's and look at the facts >:(
1. Northern teams in general have the best traveling support
2. You don't see any other fan base except Dublin delaying a match because they thought "ah yeah we'll get another blue WKD before we head"
3. Don't get me started on the "heavey snow" that is forcasted for hill 16!! (you all know what i mean)
4. Another valid point is that a huge number of Derry people are now living and working in Dublin at the minute, therefore i expect a very good turn out!
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 31, 2007, 02:17:44 PM
I think a few of you mexicans should be getting off yourf high horse's and look at the facts >:(
1. Northern teams in general have the best traveling support
2. You don't see any other fan base except Dublin delaying a match because they thought "ah yeah we'll get another blue WKD before we head"
3. Don't get me started on the "heavey snow" that is forcasted for hill 16!! (you all know what i mean)
4. Another valid point is that a huge number of Derry people are now living and working in Dublin at the minute, therefore i expect a very good turn out!
1. Northern teams in general have the best traveling support - well for a couple of years they did cause for once they were doing well for a change....
2 - The delays are due to the number of fans attending and the capability of Croke Park to get fans in....In most other grounds the crowds are far smaller so less risk of a problem with fans arriving late...and its the Guards that stop the games......ONLY 1 GAME DELAYED THIS YEAR...
3 - Yeah a few bad apples - happens everywhere
4 - You mean bandwagon supporters who never go to any other game!!!!
dont no what the big deal is about tickets and if the people who get them are ardent gaa people,the two counties involved get there alocation from croke park and the county boards then forward them on to the clubs so basically clubs members (genuine gaa supporters) will get a ticket for the match.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 02:36:12 PM
1. Northern teams in general have the best traveling support - well for a couple of years they did cause for once they were doing well for a change....
Not sure you have been around that long yourself given this comment
Northern teams alwyas have had a fantastic and fanatical support with the possible exception of Derry who after the early 90's seems to have dropped in attendance rather than gained - obv some felt that we had experienced enough success and it was christian of us to allow others to see games and win the trophies...
but def you couldnt be more wrong with your comment on the rest of the northern teams
Got 4 tickets this morning from ticketmaster
one prob spare in case someone I know might be looking for one
I still could get into the prem section yet too...
This is a silly row, everyone deserving of a ticket will get one.
The "heavy snow" on the Hill comments are just childish ::)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 02:06:45 PM
Screen - cause they are taking tickets from people who have been going all championbship...as teh comment in the Irish News today - "Derry fans only come out when there is a sniff of glory"...
I was at the replay and the beautiful day/free entry attracted lots more people but there was no way 17k Derry fans at that match...
I never said there were 17k Derry supporters. You must've misread me but there was 17k total at the match and Derry were by no means outnumbered on the day. I don't see how you can begrudge us 10,000 tickets when there will easily be 50,000 Dubs there and we've 2 teams playing!
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
This is a silly row, everyone deserving of a ticket will get one.
The "heavy snow" on the Hill comments are just childish ::)
Childish.... maybe...... Can't argue that it ain't true tho
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
This is a silly row, everyone deserving of a ticket will get one.
The "heavy snow" on the Hill comments are just childish ::)
Anyone who lives in Dublin will know that it is quite accurate. You would think that with all the marching powder consumed, they should have no problem getting into the ground on time ! ;D
Lynchboy
Was going to the Monaghan matches in the mid-80's when they were contesting Centenary Cup finals, leafue finals, All-Ireland semi-finals etc...so been around a while.....
Screen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Anyway delighted to have my tickets sorted now..
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 31, 2007, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
This is a silly row, everyone deserving of a ticket will get one.
The "heavy snow" on the Hill comments are just childish ::)
Childish.... maybe...... Can't argue that it ain't true tho
Well, actually it was in the SINDO/INDO so chances are it wasn't true.
Quote from: Marty_mcd on July 31, 2007, 03:20:11 PM
Childish.... maybe...... Can't argue that it ain't true tho
A small minority of scumbags yes, but you paint it like every second one of us will be at it ::)
Quote from: Dilly on July 31, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
Anyone who lives in Dublin will know that it is quite accurate. You would think that with all the marching powder consumed, they should have no problem getting into the ground on time ! ;D
Great first post :o
QuoteScreen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Just as a point of interest... how many of these 60k have been to a Dublin Club game in the last 10 years???????
Having played in both Dublin and Derry I can easily say that Club Football in Derry is better supported than club football in Dublin! So this whole bandwagon thing is a bit rich coming from the skangers ;)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 03:30:29 PM
Lynchboy
Was going to the Monaghan matches in the mid-80's when they were contesting Centenary Cup finals, leafue finals, All-Ireland semi-finals etc...so been around a while.....
Screen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Anyway delighted to have my tickets sorted now..
therefore I cannot understand how you could say sucha thing as prev - unless you wrote without actually thinking about it.
I am sure you will admit that you may have not fully thought this out
All throughout the early 80's and onwards - any northern team that came down to contest croke park national league finals (as in Down v Armagh in 1982 was it?) to all Ireland semi finals (Tyrone, Monaghan, Derry ) - they had fans packed to the rafters- far outnumbering the Kerry, Galway, Dubs, Offaly etc fans of the day
do you not think?
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:35:19 PM
Having played in both Dublin and Derry I can easily say that Club Football in Derry is better supported than club football in Dublin! So this whole bandwagon thing is a bit rich coming from the skangers;)
The bandwagon argument is stupid no matter what teams point of view, of feckin course Derry have more interest now, if Dublin hadnt won a Leinster game in 5 years and were playing Wicklow in the first round they ground wouldnt be half full, its all about success and the interest FROM EVERY COUNTY grows as the championship progresses.
This is the same in every sport too.
Re the "skangers" comments, are you referring to us all there?
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:35:19 PM
Just as a point of interest... how many of these 60k have been to a Dublin Club game in the last 10 years???????
Judging by crowds at club championship games, numbers of registered players in Dublin and the amount of people helping out on juvenile teams around the county, I'd say more than you think. Obviously there are some that havent, same with everyone ::)
This argument is getting old :-[
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: Dilly on July 31, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
Anyone who lives in Dublin will know that it is quite accurate. You would think that with all the marching powder consumed, they should have no problem getting into the ground on time ! ;D
Great first post :o
First post, what ya on about lad, its just a new screen name. welcome to the wonders of the hyper-global-inter-mega-net
Why scrap your old name and create a new one?
Either banned previously or something to hide?
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:35:19 PM
QuoteScreen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Just as a point of interest... how many of these 60k have been to a Dublin Club game in the last 10 years???????
Having played in both Dublin and Derry I can easily say that Club Football in Derry is better supported than club football in Dublin! So this whole bandwagon thing is a bit rich coming from the skangers ;)
80% of the dub supporters in the hill put there shells,bo's and shamrock jerseys in one draw and pull out there dub jersey from another
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on July 31, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
80% of the dub supporters in the hill put there shells,bo's and shamrock jerseys in one draw and pull out there dub jersey from another
While you pull out your fishing rod Drum ;)
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:48:06 PM
Why scrap your old name and create a new one?
Either banned previously or something to hide?
Its the beauty of the Internet, you can change anything when you get bored with it.
You have 815 posts, you need to get out and actually goto a game once in a while, get away from the message boards, it will do you good
catch some of those summer rays, maybe even get a girl, .....no thats asking too much. ;D
I spend my time on here at work, beats actually working!!
I havent missed a league or championship game this year (well 1 league game) for Dublin and play in all my clubs games.
What makes you think I need to go to more games?
Also, I'm happily married thanks very much.
Are you done with the personal attacks?
Quote from: Dilly on July 31, 2007, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:48:06 PM
Why scrap your old name and create a new one?
Either banned previously or something to hide?
Its the beauty of the Internet, you can change anything when you get bored with it.
You have 815 posts, you need to get out and actually goto a game once in a while, get away from the message boards, it will do you good
catch some of those summer rays, maybe even get a girl, .....no thats asking too much. ;D
aye and when you have been married for a while, you'll be back on here posting like a manaic.......
Quote from: his holiness nb on July 31, 2007, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:35:19 PM
Having played in both Dublin and Derry I can easily say that Club Football in Derry is better supported than club football in Dublin! So this whole bandwagon thing is a bit rich coming from the skangers;)
The bandwagon argument is stupid no matter what teams point of view, of feckin course Derry have more interest now, if Dublin hadnt won a Leinster game in 5 years and were playing Wicklow in the first round they ground wouldnt be half full, its all about success and the interest FROM EVERY COUNTY grows as the championship progresses.
This is the same in every sport too.
Re the "skangers" comments, are you referring to us all there?
There's no way that there has been any more than 15,000 at a Dublin cship final!
We are being accused of not being true gaels and being bandwagon supporters which is a load of crap when club football in Derry is thriving. Yes there is a certain hostility towards the county team by a few but ultimately Derry people love their football and for people to say that we don't deserve at least 10k tickets for this match when we have 2 teams playing and Dublin will have at least 55k supporters is scandellous.
As for our lack of support there is this theory that you can only go to the well so many times. I remember my father and my uncles wouldn't have missed a match for about 10 years between 91 and 2001. It does cost a lot to follow a division 1 team around the country and it's simply not feasible to carry on that type of support forever which has been witnessed in recent times by Tyrone and Armagh support dropping from what it has been previously. Add that to a team that isn't performing consistently and it's going to lead to a drop in attendances for any county.
I am sorry for making people cry aftre only a few posts :::giggle::: ;D
Better get back to the topic of Football
Being a country fella, I have to say that in the League, the best game to goto is against the Dub's they always bring the best
support, no matter what time of year, hail, sleat or snow. Always a good atmosphere.
If your not interested in talking about Dublin V Derry then f**k off . I'm sick to god of these who's a bandwagoner , who's a scumbags posts .If you want to have your childish aren't we great, dubs are gay (snicker) post go start a new thread .
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:56:16 PM
There's no way that there has been any more than 15,000 at a Dublin cship final!
I never said there was :-\
Sure Parnell couldnt hold that many ;)
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:56:16 PM
We are being accused of not being true gaels and being bandwagon supporters which is a load of crap when club football in Derry is thriving. Yes there is a certain hostility towards the county team by a few but ultimately Derry people love their football and for people to say that we don't deserve at least 10k tickets for this match when we have 2 teams playing and Dublin will have at least 55k supporters is scandellous.
Re being accused of not being a true gael, try being a Dub on here!!
Incidentally I never said you dont deserve 10K tickets, I actually think you should get more.
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 03:56:16 PM
As for our lack of support there is this theory that you can only go to the well so many times. I remember my father and my uncles wouldn't have missed a match for about 10 years between 91 and 2001. It does cost a lot to follow a division 1 team around the country and it's simply not feasible to carry on that type of support forever which has been witnessed in recent times by Tyrone and Armagh support dropping from what it has been previously. Add that to a team that isn't performing consistently and it's going to lead to a drop in attendances for any county.
I fully agree and never said otherwise :-\
Think your responding to the wrong Dub here ;)
Quote from: Dilly on July 31, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
Being a country fella, I have to say that in the League, the best game to goto is against the Dub's they always bring the best
support, no matter what time of year, hail, sleat or snow. Always a good atmosphere.
Hey, dont be at it again ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 31, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 03:30:29 PM
Lynchboy
Was going to the Monaghan matches in the mid-80's when they were contesting Centenary Cup finals, leafue finals, All-Ireland semi-finals etc...so been around a while.....
Screen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Anyway delighted to have my tickets sorted now..
therefore I cannot understand how you could say sucha thing as prev - unless you wrote without actually thinking about it.
I am sure you will admit that you may have not fully thought this out
All throughout the early 80's and onwards - any northern team that came down to contest croke park national league finals (as in Down v Armagh in 1982 was it?) to all Ireland semi finals (Tyrone, Monaghan, Derry ) - they had fans packed to the rafters- far outnumbering the Kerry, Galway, Dubs, Offaly etc fans of the day
do you not think?
Lynchboy
Thats when they were close to winning something....not for other games though...
Let's get back to the game lads ! Will Eoin Bradley start this game - he looks like a big game player and one that Derry could be doing with !
Quote from: Gnevin on July 31, 2007, 03:59:43 PM
If your not interested in talking about Dublin V Derry then f**k off . I'm sick to god of these who's a bandwagoner , who's a scumbags posts .If you want to have your childish aren't we great, dubs are gay (snicker) post go start a new thread .
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Sarry bud, I think yisser bleedin' deadly wha'? I tink if ya stick Keano from striker to corner forward and push Whelo from Midfield to Centre half yis will defo have dem wha'?
Relax man! And anyway I'm not saying the Dubs are gay... just Nortsoiders!! ;D
Ok..enough of this childish shite, back to the dicussion about the game!
Anyone actually think pillar will have the balls to drop Casey for Brennan or will he stay faithful to him?
Will Bonner get in after his performance in the championship for Brigids?
Team id like to see start would be
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
Using Jayo as an impact sub, what do ya think?
My Derry Team v Dubs (Wha')
Gillis (Lucky to still be there IMO)
Lockhart
McCloy
McGuckin
McEldowney
O'Kane
McGoldrick (If fit, I would have McBride in if not but I think Hinphey would get the nod from the Mgt)
Doc
Conway
Lynch
Murphy (If Fit, if not I'd have Bradley but I think Diver would be put there)
Gilligan
Muldoon (Roving)
Bradley
Devlin
Can't see Eoin Bradley starting but as one of my mates said it might be an idea to use him as an impact sub and I think he would do well coming in against a Dubs team that usually burns itself out too quickly.
Good pint there about impact sub and Bradley ok - it would suit ok -
Quote from: Northside Dub on July 31, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Ok..enough of this childish shite, back to the dicussion about the game!
Anyone actually think pillar will have the balls to drop Casey for Brennan or will he stay faithful to him?
Will Bonner get in after his performance in the championship for Brigids?
Team id like to see start would be
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
Using Jayo as an impact sub, what do ya think?
Looks good to me
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
My Derry Team v Dubs (Wha')
Gillis (Lucky to still be there IMO)
Lockhart
McCloy
McGuckin
McEldowney
O'Kane
McGoldrick (If fit, I would have McBride in if not but I think Hinphey would get the nod from the Mgt)
Doc
Conway
Lynch
Murphy (If Fit, if not I'd have Bradley but I think Diver would be put there)
Gilligan
Muldoon (Roving)
Bradley
Devlin
Can't see Eoin Bradley starting but as one of my mates said it might be an idea to use him as an impact sub and I think he would do well coming in against a Dubs team that usually burns itself out too quickly.
i think it would be a big mistake to play diver as a half forward, i dont think we would be mobile enough it we did.
Who else is there to play in nets?
this'd be just the game that cocky fcuker skinner would love - i reckon he'd be worth about 2-2 from the bench - actually, probably more like 4-0 as I can't see him trying for anything other than goals in this one.
Quote from: marty88 on July 31, 2007, 05:00:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
My Derry Team v Dubs (Wha')
Gillis (Lucky to still be there IMO)
Lockhart
McCloy
McGuckin
McEldowney
O'Kane
McGoldrick (If fit, I would have McBride in if not but I think Hinphey would get the nod from the Mgt)
Doc
Conway
Lynch
Murphy (If Fit, if not I'd have Bradley but I think Diver would be put there)
Gilligan
Muldoon (Roving)
Bradley
Devlin
Can't see Eoin Bradley starting but as one of my mates said it might be an idea to use him as an impact sub and I think he would do well coming in against a Dubs team that usually burns itself out too quickly.
i think it would be a big mistake to play diver as a half forward, i dont think we would be mobile enough it we did.
Who else is there to play in nets?
what bradley would you play if murphy is not fit?
as far diver not being mobile enough :o,he has many faults but mobility is certainly not one of them,i would go as far to say he would be the quickest player on the panel,he certainly is in bellaghy and that includes doc
Quote from: Northside Dub on July 31, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Ok..enough of this childish shite, back to the dicussion about the game!
Anyone actually think pillar will have the balls to drop Casey for Brennan or will he stay faithful to him?
Will Bonner get in after his performance in the championship for Brigids?
Team id like to see start would be
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
Using Jayo as an impact sub, what do ya think?
Bonners performance was as a full forward so if being picked that is where he has to play....I would leave Jayo on though to provide the link and his intelligence will be a serious test for all the Derry half back line....I would have Brogan in at full forward with B Brogan out at wing forward....Casey will play and if not doing well will be replaced...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Northside Dub on July 31, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Ok..enough of this childish shite, back to the dicussion about the game!
Anyone actually think pillar will have the balls to drop Casey for Brennan or will he stay faithful to him?
Will Bonner get in after his performance in the championship for Brigids?
Team id like to see start would be
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
Using Jayo as an impact sub, what do ya think?
Bonners performance was as a full forward so if being picked that is where he has to play....I would leave Jayo on though to provide the link and his intelligence will be a serious test for all the Derry half back line....I would have Brogan in at full forward with B Brogan out at wing forward....Casey will play and if not doing well will be replaced...
I dont expect any major shocks ,still think there is a place on the team for Quinn. Did very well when he came on against Laois.
Disagree totally about their being a place on the team for Quinn. He's not good enough to play half forward, and while he's a very good corner forward, there are better options.
I think the team will be unchanged. Agree with dubsforsam that sherlock should start for his link play, and that Casey will be taken off if not performing (in casey's defence, while parkinson got the better of him the last day, he battled away gamely and I dont think Cahill or Brennan would have done any better).
Bonner probably won't start but will be the first forward brought on. Its good to have a Plan B.
Cant see Quinn starting in fairness he did do well in the Leinster final but the game was won by the time he came on , I think Bonner may start for his physical pressence
Is the Rackard Cup final on beforehand Ticketmaster says sold out, is that right or are more being released?
Quote from: corn02 on July 31, 2007, 08:16:04 PM
Is the Rackard Cup final on beforehand Ticketmaster says sold out, is that right or are more being released?
No more tickets to be released for general sale. They've all been allocated to competing counties. There may be another release of tickets to ticketmaster, but only in the unlikely event of a county sending tickets back.
the derry support would have been at least double for the armagh game if oxegen hadnt been on that weekend, the amount of derry people down at it was ridiculous i doubt any county had more
doubt bonner will start- the management wanted him to start the second game against meath but he felt he wasn't fit enough and refused- so i'd say there is little chance of bonner starting(in fact i'd say none).
in a practice game last sat - ie a v b . brennan played on the a team instaed of casey-the rest was the same. now i still think casey will start but he's under pressure.personally i'd start brennan but pillar won't. Quinn willl be the first forward sub on that is a certainty and if there were to be any changes on the team then that would be it.
it will be the same team as versus laois wth brennan first in for the backs and quinn first in for the forwards.
Quote from: Rav67 on July 31, 2007, 10:05:37 PM
the derry support would have been at least double for the armagh game if oxegen hadnt been on that weekend, the amount of derry people down at it was ridiculous i doubt any county had more
Gimme a break!! FFS the fact is that the vast majority thought that we hadn' a prayer!! Glad to say that a few of us kept the faith.
Although it was certainly more in hope than in expectation. I'm well used to being lonely in Clones, but Armagh/Derry 2007 has to be the lonliest (pre-match of course-----afterwards who cared!!??) in my memory.
WRT the discussion on bandwagoners etc etc, I have to say I'm delighted with the recent Derry turnouts and if 15,000+(though I cant see it) are up for the trip then absolutely why shouldn't they?
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 31, 2007, 05:08:05 PM
this'd be just the game that cocky fcuker skinner would love - i reckon he'd be worth about 2-2 from the bench - actually, probably more like 4-0 as I can't see him trying for anything other than goals in this one.
Maybe I dont pick up sarcasm that easy Bogball but, on the other hand, if your serious, I'd love to have you quote the last time he made anywhere near that contribution.
Absolutely rate him as a goodun, but just not that prolific. Too selfish, too cocky and just dont get the impression that he inspires those around him enough to avail of his undeniable talents an that's a problem. Thought his best ever county appearance was at centre forward against kildare last year (I think), but he doesn't seem to want that role, not enough glory. Problem problem problem!
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
My Derry Team v Dubs (Wha')
Gillis (Lucky to still be there IMO)
Lockhart
McCloy
McGuckin
McEldowney
O'Kane
McGoldrick (If fit, I would have McBride in if not but I think Hinphey would get the nod from the Mgt)
Doc
Conway
Lynch
Murphy (If Fit, if not I'd have Bradley but I think Diver would be put there)
Gilligan
Muldoon (Roving)
BradleyC
Devlin
Can't see Eoin Bradley starting but as one of my mates said it might be an idea to use him as an impact sub and I think he would do well coming in against a Dubs team that usually burns itself out too quickly.
y play lockhart in the corner and mcgoldrick in the halfback line ????? why take them out of position at this stage of the championship. they have been playing great up till now. lockhart picks up alot of loose ball in front of mcCloy
Quote from: jodyb on July 31, 2007, 11:52:37 PM
Maybe I dont pick up sarcasm that easy Bogball but, on the other hand, if your serious, I'd love to have you quote the last time he made anywhere near that contribution.
Absolutely rate him as a goodun, but just not that prolific. Too selfish, too cocky and just dont get the impression that he inspires those around him enough to avail of his undeniable talents an that's a problem. Thought his best ever county appearance was at centre forward against kildare last year (I think), but he doesn't seem to want that role, not enough glory. Problem problem problem!
Agree with all you say, but he's the type who would absolutely revel in being the centre of attention in a packed croker - doesn't springfield regularly report that he's knocking in 2-5 odd for glenullin every week (suspension permitting), and I heard he was in the form of his life prior to his little altercation in front of Bruno.
I would definitely back him for a goal against Dublin, and whilst you couldn't start him, who'd give the lads on the field a lift if they were trailing by 3/4 points with 15mins left, Skinner or Crook (I'm usually loathe to criticise individuals, but I can't help it - the lad just isn't up to county standard).
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 31, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 31, 2007, 03:30:29 PM
Lynchboy
Was going to the Monaghan matches in the mid-80's when they were contesting Centenary Cup finals, leafue finals, All-Ireland semi-finals etc...so been around a while.....
Screen there have been approx 60k+ at the Dublin matches from the first round..a lot of them will lose out this time...
Anyway delighted to have my tickets sorted now..
therefore I cannot understand how you could say sucha thing as prev - unless you wrote without actually thinking about it.
I am sure you will admit that you may have not fully thought this out
All throughout the early 80's and onwards - any northern team that came down to contest croke park national league finals (as in Down v Armagh in 1982 was it?) to all Ireland semi finals (Tyrone, Monaghan, Derry ) - they had fans packed to the rafters- far outnumbering the Kerry, Galway, Dubs, Offaly etc fans of the day
do you not think?
Lynchboy
Thats when they were close to winning something....not for other games though...
nope - cant say I agree
national league attendances woul dbe the same - esp for the ulster teams.
Cant say I was at too many dub national league games in the 80's onwards, but any other county league game I was at this was the case and certainly midland teams would not have had much supprt - esp kildare.
Quote from: Northside Dub on July 31, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
looks good to me ;) :)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 10:15:36 AM
nope - cant say I agree
national league attendances woul dbe the same - esp for the ulster teams.
Cant say I was at too many dub national league games in the 80's onwards, but any other county league game I was at this was the case and certainly midland teams would not have had much supprt - esp kildare.
Was there not only about 20K odd at Derry v Tyrone in '92?
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 01, 2007, 04:50:17 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 31, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
My Derry Team v Dubs (Wha')
Gillis (Lucky to still be there IMO)
Lockhart
McCloy
McGuckin
McEldowney
O'Kane
McGoldrick (If fit, I would have McBride in if not but I think Hinphey would get the nod from the Mgt)
Doc
Conway
Lynch
Murphy (If Fit, if not I'd have Bradley but I think Diver would be put there)
Gilligan
Muldoon (Roving)
BradleyC
Devlin
Can't see Eoin Bradley starting but as one of my mates said it might be an idea to use him as an impact sub and I think he would do well coming in against a Dubs team that usually burns itself out too quickly.
y play lockhart in the corner and mcgoldrick in the halfback line ????? why take them out of position at this stage of the championship. they have been playing great up till now. lockhart picks up alot of loose ball in front of mcCloy
Lochart has been playing at corner back since the monaghan game, even tho named at centre half.
The main reason to move mcgoldrick to half back is the fact that if mcguckian is fit he has to start in the corner. McGoldrick has been excellent so far and moving him to wing half back might improve our weakest line on the pitch. He can defend and go forward so might be a good move. I have to admit this is what I would try if McGuckian is fully fit....but only if he is fully fit. If not, he would be better coming on with 15 mins to go.
I think Diver would make a good impact sub for midfield (or as a third midfielder). I think Skinner would be an excellent impact sub, but if the injury to Murphy is serious I could see him starting as a direct replacement.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2007, 10:29:40 AMI think Skinner would be an excellent impact sub, but if the injury to Murphy is serious I could see him starting as a direct replacement.
Any word on Murphy, he'd be a big loss, has been a revelation since he got the chance - he's starting to show some of the form that made him a wonder kid years ago.
If McCloy doesnt recover who would we play at Full Back? We look short of cover at number 3. Plenty of corner man but none for the edge of the square.
Not sure bout Paul Murphy's injury Bogball, heard a couple of different reports, one that he had a dead leg, the other it was his knee and he is due to go for a scan. The knee may be more accurate as he had it wrapped up with ice at the end of the game and didnt do the warm-down obviously. Would be a huge loss. Took the goal really well and caused Joe Higgins endless problems.
So has everyone got their tickets sorted yet? :)
Maybe going against the grain here, but some of that crap bout the Dub's behaviour on the hill and the snow epidemic is very stereotypical. We are here to talk abut the game!
disaster disaster disaster
McCloy has a bought of Dengue fever - prob brought on by playing close to that swamp land near Breffni park.
Murphy is away to get the leg amputated today and will be trying to run by Friday on the new prosthetic leg. Not sure if his shooting will be as accurate with it.
Paddy Bradley is afraid of the number 11 and therefore wont play on the 11th of August.
Lockhart has a long standing trip to lourdes the same weekend and his wife wont let him get out of it.
I cant see us scoring at all let alone compete with dublin..we may as well not bother turning up.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 11:03:17 AM
I cant see us scoring at all let alone compete with dublin..we may as well not bother turning up.
Maybe we should tell the lads to Coppers?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Northside Dub on July 31, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Clucko
Henry McConnell Griffin
Cahill Cullen Brennan
Whelan Ryan
Bonner A Brogan Moran
B Brogan Keaney Vaughan
looks good to me ;) :)
Lynchboy
It's unusual not to have you in the Dub's camp in the build-up to a big game – but I suppose in the circumstances of this game, you're forgiven. ;D
I'd be interested in hearing what your views would be on the best Dublin starting line-up (what starting 15 would you most fear – from a Derry perspective). I suppose Declan Lally would be in there. ;)
Who is this Brennan fella ye are lookin in WHB? As much as I don't like Casey and think he's a tr**p he's game to fire his head anywhere and he brings a bit of steel and aggression to the Dubs defence so I don't think he should be dropped.
What's the craic with Moran playing WHF? He's a defender through and through and I thought that with Goggins finally getting ousted from that LHB slot Moran would have been staraight in there. God knows he'd be better than Cahill in that position (Don't really see what Cahill brings to the team at LHB, or at all really) Are the Dubs freally struggling that badly for natural WHF's.
My own view on the match is that Derry have a much more well rounded team than Dublin. McConnell, Henry, B. Brogan, Vaughan and Bonner haven't really proven themselves at this level whilst the jury is still out as to whether Cahill, Ryan and Moran are playing their natural positions and are effective in these positions for Dublin to push on enough to win that AI that escapes them.
I think Dublin's system and the fact that they have 15 supremely fit lads bursting their hole's for the cause has kind of masked the fact that this Dublin team does not really have the talent or skill level required to win an All Ireland - something we have witnessed with Mayo and a reason why I think the Dubs will keep coming close but ultimately come up short come September...
As for next Saturday's game Dublin are well capable of beating Derry but as Paddy Crozier himself has said... at our best Derry will beat any team in the country whilst at our worst we can get beaten by any team in the country... I'm going for a 4 point win for the Leafers though!
Barry Cahill has been one of the best half backs this year, Paul Casey one of the worst, r u trying to confuse Pillar or something???
Brennan plays for Vincents, played most of the league, did well.
Quote from: Loup Bandit on August 01, 2007, 10:53:25 AM
Not sure bout Paul Murphy's injury Bogball, heard a couple of different reports, one that he had a dead leg, the other it was his knee and he is due to go for a scan. The knee may be more accurate as he had it wrapped up with ice at the end of the game and didnt do the warm-down obviously. Would be a huge loss. Took the goal really well and caused Joe Higgins endless problems.
So has everyone got their tickets sorted yet? :)
Maybe going against the grain here, but some of that crap bout the Dub's behaviour on the hill and the snow epidemic is very stereotypical. We are here to talk abut the game!
Murphy's injury was definately the knee, and I know they were really worried about it and were sending him for a scan, but I havent heard anything since that.
I ddint know McCloy was injured....whats wrong with him? We would struggle to cope without him....who would we put in? What about Patsy? Worked for the Tyronnies throwin in the late cormac mcanallen from midfield...
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 01, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Lynchboy
It's unusual not to have you in the Dub's camp in the build-up to a big game – but I suppose in the circumstances of this game, you're forgiven. ;D
I'd be interested in hearing what your views would be on the best Dublin starting line-up (what starting 15 would you most fear – from a Derry perspective). I suppose Declan Lally would be in there. ;)
I actually dont want to comment too much on this game. On the Lally front, he has been superb for naomh brid this year, and right now if running the show from CHF. The lad is slowly getting his confidence back. I talk to him on occasion and I know caffrey doesnt rate him at all. Then again I dont rate caffrey - and have said so as soon as he was appointed. I would not see much diff between Paddy c and Paul c.Diff is that Caffrey has a more knowledgeable team around him whom he relies on more heavly for advice. I cant say for def, but I think Paddy c makes and takes more of the decisions himself. I spotted Brian talty in the same car park as me on saturday leaving the Derry v Laois game in cavan- he is a smarter more astute man.
Dubs defence is quite good as is Derry's. I see both sides restricting the opposing set of forwards to few scores (after predicting that it will now prob be a high scoring shootout!). Frees will be crucial.Long range point scoring will also be. Dublins advantageof physicality will not matter to Derry who always cope well with physical teams. Its when this is used in conjunction with cuteness (like tyrone and this year monaghan) derry see red and lose the rag and end up fighting instead of playing football - therefore losing.
I dont like the Dublin forwards at all. Alan Brogan has not had a good season so far (by his standards - and seems to be trying to force things now). Derry have hit form and stumbled upon a gameplan that optimises them. It is still far from perfect but Laois tried to deploy a man in front of the 2 man FF line (as was heavily reccommended on here last season as being the way to easily beat the Derry FF lines effectiveness -) but the method as then suggested to beat this defensive tactic was to use the extra man and also to hit more accurate cross field passes into the two man line. these worked. Under presssure from better defenders than Laois had - will Derry find the composure to unlock the dubs defence?
Certainly not as much. Will see how effective each set of forwards are.
Derry have their best sextet on the field (barring inj).
Dublin I believe do not. Adding Vaughan is a key factor. I would pick
Whelan Magee
Keaney Lally B Brogan
A Brogan Vaughan Ryan (3rd mf)
with Sherlock being the man to replace either Keaney or Lally. Defense much the same - if a better replacement for casey is found then ok, but he is not that bad.
Short kick outs trouble Derry who lack concentration up front for kick outs.
Dublin do not posess fast attacking half backs that Laois had who gave problems all day long for derry.
Brian cullen going forward will possibly be counter productive if someone is not deployed further out the field by Dublin, and by cullen moving up - the space afforded to Laois if given to Derry could cripple Dublin's otherwise tight defense and physicality will not stop the larger derry forwards.
I see this at best being a close game with either side capable of winning it.
Derry's pros - on form, stingy def, good match up with Dublins key areas, more than one man scoring with a few having ability to hit long range points, match fit having played a few games recently.
Dublins pros- huge adv of being used to Croke park, Experienced forwards good at drawing fouls and winning frees, prob better long range free scoring potential now with Vaughan , Derry have poor keeper and Dublin are on form for goal scoring, drilled to move the ball quickly and good at winning breaking ball. Better tactical sideline.
Quote from: screenexile on August 01, 2007, 12:00:12 PM
Who is this Brennan fella ye are lookin in WHB? As much as I don't like Casey and think he's a tr**p he's game to fire his head anywhere and he brings a bit of steel and aggression to the Dubs defence so I don't think he should be dropped.
What's the craic with Moran playing WHF? He's a defender through and through and I thought that with Goggins finally getting ousted from that LHB slot Moran would have been staraight in there. God knows he'd be better than Cahill in that position (Don't really see what Cahill brings to the team at LHB, or at all really) Are the Dubs freally struggling that badly for natural WHF's.
My own view on the match is that Derry have a much more well rounded team than Dublin. McConnell, Henry, B. Brogan, Vaughan and Bonner haven't really proven themselves at this level whilst the jury is still out as to whether Cahill, Ryan and Moran are playing their natural positions and are effective in these positions for Dublin to push on enough to win that AI that escapes them.
I think Dublin's system and the fact that they have 15 supremely fit lads bursting their hole's for the cause has kind of masked the fact that this Dublin team does not really have the talent or skill level required to win an All Ireland - something we have witnessed with Mayo and a reason why I think the Dubs will keep coming close but ultimately come up short come September...
As for next Saturday's game Dublin are well capable of beating Derry but as Paddy Crozier himself has said... at our best Derry will beat any team in the country whilst at our worst we can get beaten by any team in the country... I'm going for a 4 point win for the Leafers though!
Brennan is an aggressive defender with an eye for the posts (he scored a point against Laois just after coming on for Casey). He's a tighter marker than Casey.
Regarding Collie Moran in the half-forwards – his role is to scrap for ball in the middle third of the field and he's been pretty successful at that, and his overall contribution has been positive. His big weakness has been his shooting, and if he could get that right his contribution would be immense.
I have to disagree with you on Cahill and Ryan who were both contenders for man-of-the match against Laois.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 01, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Lynchboy
It's unusual not to have you in the Dub's camp in the build-up to a big game – but I suppose in the circumstances of this game, you're forgiven. ;D
I'd be interested in hearing what your views would be on the best Dublin starting line-up (what starting 15 would you most fear – from a Derry perspective). I suppose Declan Lally would be in there. ;)
I actually dont want to comment too much on this game. On the Lally front, he has been superb for naomh brid this year, and right now if running the show from CHF. The lad is slowly getting his confidence back. I talk to him on occasion and I know caffrey doesnt rate him at all. Then again I dont rate caffrey - and have said so as soon as he was appointed. I would not see much diff between Paddy c and Paul c.Diff is that Caffrey has a more knowledgeable team around him whom he relies on more heavly for advice. I cant say for def, but I think Paddy c makes and takes more of the decisions himself. I spotted Brian talty in the same car park as me on saturday leaving the Derry v Laois game in cavan- he is a smarter more astute man.
Dubs defence is quite good as is Derry's. I see both sides restricting the opposing set of forwards to few scores (after predicting that it will now prob be a high scoring shootout!). Frees will be crucial.Long range point scoring will also be. Dublins advantageof physicality will not matter to Derry who always cope well with physical teams. Its when this is used in conjunction with cuteness (like tyrone and this year monaghan) derry see red and lose the rag and end up fighting instead of playing football - therefore losing.
I dont like the Dublin forwards at all. Alan Brogan has not had a good season so far (by his standards - and seems to be trying to force things now). Derry have hit form and stumbled upon a gameplan that optimises them. It is still far from perfect but Laois tried to deploy a man in front of the 2 man FF line (as was heavily reccommended on here last season as being the way to easily beat the Derry FF lines effectiveness -) but the method as then suggested to beat this defensive tactic was to use the extra man and also to hit more accurate cross field passes into the two man line. these worked. Under presssure from better defenders than Laois had - will Derry find the composure to unlock the dubs defence?
Certainly not as much. Will see how effective each set of forwards are.
Derry have their best sextet on the field (barring inj).
Dublin I believe do not. Adding Vaughan is a key factor. I would pick
Whelan Magee
Keaney Lally B Brogan
A Brogan Vaughan Ryan (3rd mf)
with Sherlock being the man to replace either Keaney or Lally. Defense much the same - if a better replacement for casey is found then ok, but he is not that bad.
Short kick outs trouble Derry who lack concentration up front for kick outs.
Dublin do not posess fast attacking half backs that Laois had who gave problems all day long for derry.
Brian cullen going forward will possibly be counter productive if someone is not deployed further out the field by Dublin, and by cullen moving up - the space afforded to Laois if given to Derry could cripple Dublin's otherwise tight defense and physicality will not stop the larger derry forwards.
I see this at best being a close game with either side capable of winning it.
Derry's pros - on form, stingy def, good match up with Dublins key areas, more than one man scoring with a few having ability to hit long range points, match fit having played a few games recently.
Dublins pros- huge adv of being used to Croke park, Experienced forwards good at drawing fouls and winning frees, prob better long range free scoring potential now with Vaughan , Derry have poor keeper and Dublin are on form for goal scoring, drilled to move the ball quickly and good at winning breaking ball. Better tactical sideline.
While I'd disagree with you on some matters of detail, overall it's a great summary and very thought provoking.
Maith an fear ;)
very good post lynchboy but i haven't seen anything from lally to suggest he merits inclusion- he had a number of chances previously and didn't take any of them- he played well in the recent SFC against an average outfit but this is another level all together.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 01, 2007, 01:11:52 PM
very good post lynchboy but i haven't seen anything from lally to suggest he merits inclusion- he had a number of chances previously and didn't take any of them- he played well in the recent SFC against an average outfit but this is another level all together.
I can understand why people say that about lally. I am always on about him as I believe he IS that good.
How could anyone think he was good outside of his club, no one gets to see it.
I will say is I am delighted that he wont be selected against Derry. I'll be telling him that too.
On the basis of previous games I would think the likely teams will be
Cluxton McGillis
Henry McGoldrick
McConnell McCloy
Griffen SML
Casey Hinphey
Cullen O'Kane
Cahil McEldowney
Ryan Docherty
Whelan Conway
Moran Lynch
Sherlock Murphy
Brogan Muldoon
Brogan Devlin
Keaney Bradley
Vaughan Gilligan
Derry are likely to pull Gilligan back to the half forward line and have Lynch roam back to the half back line....On that basis should Dublin:
1 - Put McConnell on Muldoon out around the middle...
2 - Griffen on Bradley, Henry on Devlin
3 - Cahill Murphy, Casey on Gilligan and Cullen sweeping in front of the full back line and covering Lynch coming forward???
Quote from: INDIANA on August 01, 2007, 01:11:52 PM
very good post lynchboy but i haven't seen anything from lally to suggest he merits inclusion- he had a number of chances previously and didn't take any of them- he played well in the recent SFC against an average outfit but this is another level all together.
Pillar is still pissed with him from what i heard!
caffrey is a thick hoor and wont change his mind
I honestly don't think Lally could complain about getting a lack of chances from Pillar in previous years. He had chances, and didnt take them. Not the first talented footballer to do exactly that.
This year he's been given little or no chance. Whether he deserved another chance I dont know, but apparently he was blacklisted for going on to Dubai with the All Stars. *Apparently (pub rumour mill which if often unreliable!!)* Lally called Pillar when he got the call-up and the conversation went something like this:
Lally: Pillar, I've been called up for the All Star trip, but I have to give an answer straight away, as the plane leaves tonight. Is there any problem with me going?
Caffrey: If you want to go, you can go.
Lally: Grand job, see you in a week or so.
Lally came back and found himself blacklisted. His mistake was that he shouldnt have wanted to go!
Probably rubbish, but its a good story ;D
Similar "story" with Shocko. Went to Oz or NZ at the beginning of the year, missed the first NFL game. Got permission from Caffrey to go but was blacklisted on his return as a committed player wouldnt have wanted to go!
Hound, are you referring to O'Shaughnessy the corner back?
Was wondering where he was, rated him very highly a couple of seasons ago when he done the shoulder in, wasn't that right?
On Declan Lally, i seen him in the sigerson final in 2006 and he was first class. Seen him as a better wing back than a forward.
thats a true story about lally
but I am somewhat amused to find how people think he has got a good enough run to prove himself.
IMO he most def has not.
Loup - if you had seen him play from minor onwards youd realise his superb scoreing, balli winning and passing talent.
He's far too good in the forwards to be used as a mere wing back - though his conf has been so badly affected that he now believes he is indeed a wing half back.
(I had a 'debate' with him about this a few months back)
anyhow just glad that he is not playing against Derry as he would surprise a lot of folk (Derry , dublin and more ) at what he can do if he was on form got the ball
Caffrey picks who he thinks is his bst XV. Lally doesnt make it - not does he seem to make the next 5 - 10 places.
Caffrey is a nice man, but a thick hoor (pot , kettle....) - I have witnessed caffrey get thick and verbal fight with a few 13 years olds who said something he didnt like about na fianna (as in 'na fianna are shite')
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 01, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Lynchboy
It's unusual not to have you in the Dub's camp in the build-up to a big game – but I suppose in the circumstances of this game, you're forgiven. ;D
I'd be interested in hearing what your views would be on the best Dublin starting line-up (what starting 15 would you most fear – from a Derry perspective). I suppose Declan Lally would be in there. ;)
I actually dont want to comment too much on this game. On the Lally front, he has been superb for naomh brid this year, and right now if running the show from CHF. The lad is slowly getting his confidence back. I talk to him on occasion and I know caffrey doesnt rate him at all. Then again I dont rate caffrey - and have said so as soon as he was appointed. I would not see much diff between Paddy c and Paul c.Diff is that Caffrey has a more knowledgeable team around him whom he relies on more heavly for advice. I cant say for def, but I think Paddy c makes and takes more of the decisions himself. I spotted Brian talty in the same car park as me on saturday leaving the Derry v Laois game in cavan- he is a smarter more astute man.
Dubs defence is quite good as is Derry's. I see both sides restricting the opposing set of forwards to few scores (after predicting that it will now prob be a high scoring shootout!). Frees will be crucial.Long range point scoring will also be. Dublins advantageof physicality will not matter to Derry who always cope well with physical teams. Its when this is used in conjunction with cuteness (like tyrone and this year monaghan) derry see red and lose the rag and end up fighting instead of playing football - therefore losing.
I dont like the Dublin forwards at all. Alan Brogan has not had a good season so far (by his standards - and seems to be trying to force things now). Derry have hit form and stumbled upon a gameplan that optimises them. It is still far from perfect but Laois tried to deploy a man in front of the 2 man FF line (as was heavily reccommended on here last season as being the way to easily beat the Derry FF lines effectiveness -) but the method as then suggested to beat this defensive tactic was to use the extra man and also to hit more accurate cross field passes into the two man line. these worked. Under presssure from better defenders than Laois had - will Derry find the composure to unlock the dubs defence?
Certainly not as much. Will see how effective each set of forwards are.
Derry have their best sextet on the field (barring inj).
Dublin I believe do not. Adding Vaughan is a key factor. I would pick
Whelan Magee
Keaney Lally B Brogan
A Brogan Vaughan Ryan (3rd mf)
with Sherlock being the man to replace either Keaney or Lally. Defense much the same - if a better replacement for casey is found then ok, but he is not that bad.
Short kick outs trouble Derry who lack concentration up front for kick outs.
Dublin do not posess fast attacking half backs that Laois had who gave problems all day long for derry.
Brian cullen going forward will possibly be counter productive if someone is not deployed further out the field by Dublin, and by cullen moving up - the space afforded to Laois if given to Derry could cripple Dublin's otherwise tight defense and physicality will not stop the larger derry forwards.
I see this at best being a close game with either side capable of winning it.
Derry's pros - on form, stingy def, good match up with Dublins key areas, more than one man scoring with a few having ability to hit long range points, match fit having played a few games recently.
Dublins pros- huge adv of being used to Croke park, Experienced forwards good at drawing fouls and winning frees, prob better long range free scoring potential now with Vaughan , Derry have poor keeper and Dublin are on form for goal scoring, drilled to move the ball quickly and good at winning breaking ball. Better tactical sideline.
So that's you NOT commenting much on the game is it??? :D
From a Derry perspective I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe Keenan start ahead of Hinphey thought he did well when he came on against Laois
Quote from: fer fox ache on August 01, 2007, 05:28:15 PM
From a Derry perspective I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe Keenan start ahead of Hinphey thought he did well when he came on against Laois
And where would you play K McGuckin? I don't think Keenan has the physical strength to mark and deliver at HB against Dublin he's more of a 'corner back'
hinphey most likely to go, though would you risk kevin starting when not match fit? goalie a big problem - tries to save with his feet instead of putting his hands down.
skinner needs to start / come on very early for devlin - ideal setting for him to come in - dont think any dub defender would be fit for him
Quote from: gaagaa on August 01, 2007, 10:17:52 PM
hinphey most likely to go, though would you risk kevin starting when not match fit?
Quoteskinner needs to start / come on very early for devlin - ideal setting for him to come in - dont think any dub defender would be fit for him
Bit of a contradiction there considering Skinner hasn't played in 2 months either.
I think everyone is getting carried away with Skinner ready to step up and becoming the saviour!
Far more likely that Paddy B will step up to the big stage and deliver the goods. People are having Collie Devlin off the team before a ball is kicked. Paddy is not only scoring he's setting up a lot more than he ever done!
If they reckon McGuckian is fit, i'd play him at Wing-back, and if needs be swap him with Mick McGoldrick.
Any word on Diver?
Quote:- If they reckon McGuckian is fit, i'd play him at Wing-back, and if needs be swap him with Mick McGoldrick.
He's a natural talent with physical strength, genuine pace & good at one-on-ones, something we arent in abundance of. McGolderick one of the best defenders in the team at the moment.
Quote from: bailestil on August 01, 2007, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: gaagaa on August 01, 2007, 10:17:52 PM
hinphey most likely to go, though would you risk kevin starting when not match fit?
Quoteskinner needs to start / come on very early for devlin - ideal setting for him to come in - dont think any dub defender would be fit for him
Bit of a contradiction there considering Skinner hasn't played in 2 months either.
I think everyone is getting carried away with Skinner ready to step up and becoming the saviour!
Far more likely that Paddy B will step up to the big stage and deliver the goods. People are having Collie Devlin off the team before a ball is kicked. Paddy is not only scoring he's setting up a lot more than he ever done!
If they reckon McGuckian is fit, i'd play him at Wing-back, and if needs be swap him with Mick McGoldrick. Quote
Devlin's work rate, technical ability, awareness,ability to win frees,fitness and pace makes him a brilliant asset to the Derry forward line. Skinner should be kept as a sub to replace a tiring Murphy or Lynch. Derry best keeper in the panel is 'Deets'. He was a brilliant county Minor keeper(remember him scoring a penalty in Clones on a losing team) who could land the ball on a 'sixpence' which would be ideal for quick kick outs .... hardly going to happen is it?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 01, 2007, 04:41:35 PM
thats a true story about lally
but I am somewhat amused to find how people think he has got a good enough run to prove himself.
IMO he most def has not.
Loup - if you had seen him play from minor onwards youd realise his superb scoreing, balli winning and passing talent.
He's far too good in the forwards to be used as a mere wing back - though his conf has been so badly affected that he now believes he is indeed a wing half back.
(I had a 'debate' with him about this a few months back)
anyhow just glad that he is not playing against Derry as he would surprise a lot of folk (Derry , dublin and more ) at what he can do if he was on form got the ball
Caffrey picks who he thinks is his bst XV. Lally doesnt make it - not does he seem to make the next 5 - 10 places.
Caffrey is a nice man, but a thick hoor (pot , kettle....) - I have witnessed caffrey get thick and verbal fight with a few 13 years olds who said something he didnt like about na fianna (as in 'na fianna are shite')
Ouch. Glad I was too good for wing back as well or that would hurt my feelings.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 01, 2007, 11:08:02 PM
Devlin's work rate, technical ability, awareness,ability to win frees,fitness and pace makes him a brilliant asset to the Derry forward line.
I think Devlin will be brushed away by strength of Dubs, though hope I'm wrong. If Murphy's not on it will be a disaster for Derry
Quote from: Romeo on August 01, 2007, 04:57:23 PM
So that's you NOT commenting much on the game is it??? :D
yes - you obv dont know me !
Murphy if fit HAS to play - he has been a big reason in our resurgence.
Jinxy - what do you expect , I was mostly a forward myself!
But I suppose I should have said he was capable of playing a more central and responsible role and could score or create scores - a premium on that Dublin team right now!
Quote from: gaagaa on August 01, 2007, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on August 01, 2007, 11:08:02 PM
Devlin's work rate, technical ability, awareness,ability to win frees,fitness and pace makes him a brilliant asset to the Derry forward line.
I think Devlin will be brushed away by strength of Dubs, though hope I'm wrong. If Murphy's not on it will be a disaster for Derry
In yesterdays Irish News Murphy said is knee was injured. Swelling as gone down but he cant bend it much though mobility has improved.
He's hopeful he'll be fit but says there may be cartilidge damage. I'd be doubtful he'll play to be honest.
Hopefully Murphy will pull through, the extra week may help so fingers crossed. He was the missing link in the half forward line.
As for Devlin not being up to it against the Dub's i totally disagree. And the wide open spaces of Croker will benefit him even more, if you look at his off the ball movement it is first class. He is a very intelligent, unselfish player and seems to be working well with Paddy Bradley up front.
On Eoin Bradley, cant see him starting but would be a great weapon to bring on. If Derry are in trouble he should be introduced sooner rather than later, not with 10 mins to go and expected to turn the game around and get the scores.
I think the extra week will do McGuckin the world of good and he may just get the nod over Hinphey who was a bit out of sorts against Laois. At the back i would put Lockhart on Alan Brogan, McCloy on Vaughan and if he does start maybe McGuckin on Keaney, this all depends of course on McGuckins fitness. Mickey McGoldrick could maybe be pushed to wing back and id be confident in his ability out there too. Would have no concerns of putting McGuckin on the edge of the square.
Would also love to see Joe Diver play. His mobility, power and speed could be very dangerous, not to mention his aerial ability. he would work himself into the gorund for the team and would certainly be up for it!
Diver is back out training at full tilt again.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on August 02, 2007, 11:59:42 AM
Diver is back out training at full tilt again.
Good stuff....I really like Diver and rate him highly. I doubt he'll get a start though with MF doing so well against Laois.
But if we're strugling there defo love to see him come on. The thing I like most about him (and this is in no way meant to belittle the skillfull player he is) is the obvious desire and enthusiasm he has on the pitch. I think too many players these days try to play it cool where Diver lets his emotions show and will jump for joy when he scores a point.
With the few players struggling with fitness and injury would I be right in saying (who you are playing aside) that being drawn to play in the second week of quarter finals is a huge plus for ye?
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 02, 2007, 02:51:38 PM
With the few players struggling with fitness and injury would I be right in saying (who you are playing aside) that being drawn to play in the second week of quarter finals is a huge plus for ye?
absolutely
we would have struggled to field a lot of the players who started against Laois.
Even then after an additional weeks rest, we will still be touch and go on a few key players
Right now we are down about 5 with only one most likely to be fit for next week. Too early to say yet regarding the rest, but its unlikely they will all recover.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 02, 2007, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 02, 2007, 02:51:38 PM
With the few players struggling with fitness and injury would I be right in saying (who you are playing aside) that being drawn to play in the second week of quarter finals is a huge plus for ye?
absolutely
we would have struggled to field a lot of the players who started against Laois.
Even then after an additional weeks rest, we will still be touch and go on a few key players
Right now we are down about 5 with only one most likely to be fit for next week. Too early to say yet regarding the rest, but its unlikely they will all recover.
You're sounding more like a Kerry man every day. ;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 02, 2007, 03:08:04 PM
You're sounding more like a Kerry man every day. ;)
I know - I am working my way down there...
wait till I spring my 'smallpox epidmic hits Derry squad' - then I'll be indistinguishable from a corkonian !
Quote from: Real Talk on August 01, 2007, 11:08:02 PM
Derry best keeper in the panel is 'Deets'. He was a brilliant county Minor keeper(remember him scoring a penalty in Clones on a losing team) who could land the ball on a 'sixpence' which would be ideal for quick kick outs .... hardly going to happen is it?
Strange no comment from all the experts on 'Deets' (C Gilligan)
Sorry for being thick, but what is "Skinner's" actual name?
Quote from: Hound on August 02, 2007, 09:44:57 PM
Sorry for being thick, but what is "Skinner's" actual name?
Eoin
Quote from: Hound on August 02, 2007, 09:44:57 PM
Sorry for being thick, but what is "Skinner's" actual name?
its eoin bradley, he's a younger brother of paddy
Agree with all you say, but he's the type who would absolutely revel in being the centre of attention in a packed croker - doesn't springfield regularly report that he's knocking in 2-5 odd for glenullin every week (suspension permitting), and I heard he was in the form of his life prior to his little altercation in front of Bruno.
I would definitely back him for a goal against Dublin, and whilst you couldn't start him, who'd give the lads on the field a lift if they were trailing by 3/4 points with 15mins left, Skinner or Crook (I'm usually loathe to criticise individuals, but I can't help it - the lad just isn't up to county standard).
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I have to concede Bogball, you make a very compelling point. Absolutely agree! (Memories of the marshes '05)
Having said that, if he does make way for Skinner. I still think Young Wilkinson has generally made more of an impact coming on than Donaghy and as such, would at least retain favour over him as the next replacement option.
Only other concern I have with Skinner is that Paddy has started to use those around him recently and it's working. I'd hate to see it revert back to the 'Paddy an Eoin' party
Quote from: Real Talk on August 01, 2007, 11:08:02 PM
Derry best keeper in the panel is 'Deets'. He was a brilliant county Minor keeper(remember him scoring a penalty in Clones on a losing team) who could land the ball on a 'sixpence' which would be ideal for quick kick outs .... hardly going to happen is it?
Strange no comment from all the experts on 'Deets' (C Gilligan)
What's your point Real Talk? Is the implication that no-one recalls that he was actually a keeper? I think you'll find that its not really that obscure a fact. He's talked about it himself, in more than one interview. I actually remember him playing a League Game for the senior team in goal. In screen (i think), late 90s, dont remember exactly. Maybe someone can verify the actual date.
Quote from: jodyb on August 02, 2007, 10:44:23 PM
What's your point Real Talk? Is the implication that no-one recalls that he was actually a keeper? I think you'll find that its not really that obscure a fact. He's talked about it himself, in more than one interview. I actually remember him playing a League Game for the senior team in goal. In screen (i think), late 90s, dont remember exactly. Maybe someone can verify the actual date.
My point is very simple: does anyone think he could do a better job than Gillis, given the importance of short, quick, accurate kick-outs in the modern game?
I hear the ticket situation in Derry and I suppose Dublin as well is dire - does anyone know about tickets ?
Dublin hard to get tickets - Derry easy to get tickets so I have heard...
Not too bad to get tickets here in Derry, if you're attached to a club anyway.
Anyone hear any stories about Dub's paying big money for tickets?
Really looking forward to the game myself.
With dub's habits of rotating the positions of their forwards, i wonder will the derry backs be assigned to track a certain opponent or just play the positions. i think id like to see lockhart on Alan Brogan if he starts in the full forward line, but wouldnt want him to be dragged out to centre-half back. This would also apply to McCloy if he is fit to play IMO.
Would be confident in Kevin McGuckins ability to play anywhere in the back line.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 03, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: jodyb on August 02, 2007, 10:44:23 PM
What's your point Real Talk? Is the implication that no-one recalls that he was actually a keeper? I think you'll find that its not really that obscure a fact. He's talked about it himself, in more than one interview. I actually remember him playing a League Game for the senior team in goal. In screen (i think), late 90s, dont remember exactly. Maybe someone can verify the actual date.
My point is very simple: does anyone think he could do a better job than Gillis, given the importance of short, quick, accurate kick-outs in the modern game?
No, why do you think short accurate kickouts are so important in the modern game?
The selection of Derry's All Time best 15 is going to take place via the Derry website
www.derrygaa.ie
Quote from: Loup Bandit on August 03, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Not too bad to get tickets here in Derry, if you're attached to a club anyway.
Anyone hear any stories about Dub's paying big money for tickets?
Really looking forward to the game myself.
With dub's habits of rotating the positions of their forwards, i wonder will the derry backs be assigned to track a certain opponent or just play the positions. i think id like to see lockhart on Alan Brogan if he starts in the full forward line, but wouldnt want him to be dragged out to centre-half back. This would also apply to McCloy if he is fit to play IMO.
Would be confident in Kevin McGuckins ability to play anywhere in the back line.
Well there is big money being offered on ebay etc and other websites.....
Forwards aren't being moved that much in last couple of games...sherlock/vaughan have rotated but thats really about it....
So Loup - you got your tickets yet??? Where abouts are you?
I've been reading the posts on this site for a while now and i thought it was time to throw my hat in the ring and sign up and figure out if i know anything about Gaelic games at all!
On a new topic - I reckon the weakest line in the Derry team is the goalkeeper. After being dropped for the Armagh match he (Gilis) made a stumbling return against Mayo when he handed them a goal on a plate - then again against Loise when neither goals were unstoppable IMO! In fairness the replacement goalkeeper far from staked a claim when given his chance against Armagh. Also Gilis has been known to be inconsistent with his kickouts.
Are there better keepers in Derry? Scullion (Bellaghy)? McCloskey (Glenullin who is number 2 to McIvor but has long been considered to be the next Derry goalie)? McGuckin (Loup - Currently travelling i believe)?
Any thoughts? Also any question marks on the Dublin team or have they got it in the bag?
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 03, 2007, 03:29:30 PM
Also any question marks on the Dublin team or have they got it in the bag?
Loads of question marks about Dublin, simply loads of them.
Lack of leadership on the field when things go wrong, which gives us the ability to lose any game no matter how far ahead we were when things started to go pear shaped.
Having said all that i do think the Dublin selection is finally getting around to our strongest possible lineup. We still have to see if the mental demons have been cured. I have my doubts, therefore any good team, which no doubt Derry are, are more then capable of beating us.
Quote from: tayto on August 03, 2007, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 03, 2007, 03:29:30 PM
Also any question marks on the Dublin team or have they got it in the bag?
Loads of question marks about Dublin, simply loads of them.
Lack of leadership on the field when things go wrong, which gives us the ability to lose any game no matter how far ahead we were when things started to go pear shaped.
Having said all that i do think the Dublin selection is finally getting around to our strongest possible lineup. We still have to see if the mental demons have been cured. I have my doubts, therefore any good team, which no doubt Derry are, are more then capable of beating us.
feck sake we're all as bad as kerrymen now
Dub -no - your far better than us, we'll be hammered
Oaklafer - no no no, WE are a disaster, sure we dont know how to even find croke park let alone play well in it, we have 23 lads out inj at the moment
:)
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 03, 2007, 03:29:30 PM
McCloskey (Glenullin who is number 2 to McIvor but has long been considered to be the next Derry goalie)?
Who is this?
I have it from good source, that the only change will be McGuckian in for Hinphey. No surprises. At the end of the day neither P Murphy or McCloy will want to pass up this opportunity, because at the end of the day it could be their only chance of ever getting an all-ireland medal.
Think derry will do the job by a few points.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2007, 03:54:32 PM
feck sake we're all as bad as kerrymen now
Dub -no - your far better than us, we'll be hammered
Oaklafer - no no no, WE are a disaster, sure we dont know how to even find croke park let alone play well in it, we have 23 lads out inj at the moment
:)
;D
Damn right. Honestly think it'll be tight enough, if Dublin can play for the 70 mins then I think we can do it, that's a big IF though!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 03, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: Loup Bandit on August 03, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Not too bad to get tickets here in Derry, if you're attached to a club anyway.
Anyone hear any stories about Dub's paying big money for tickets?
Really looking forward to the game myself.
With dub's habits of rotating the positions of their forwards, i wonder will the derry backs be assigned to track a certain opponent or just play the positions. i think id like to see lockhart on Alan Brogan if he starts in the full forward line, but wouldnt want him to be dragged out to centre-half back. This would also apply to McCloy if he is fit to play IMO.
Would be confident in Kevin McGuckins ability to play anywhere in the back line.
Well there is big money being offered on ebay etc and other websites.....
Forwards aren't being moved that much in last couple of games...sherlock/vaughan have rotated but thats really about it....
So Loup - you got your tickets yet??? Where abouts are you?
yes Dubs, have tickets but aint got them in hand yet, probably tonight though. lower cusack i think. You sorted yourself? Dont mean to rub it in or anything but its not too bad gettin tickets at present up here.
On the rotation thing, suppose thats true that Dublin have stopped it a bit. Do you think it helps them i.e confuses the oppositions defence? Or hinders Dublin in that your forwards dont know what they are at half the time with all the chopping and changing which previously went on?
Dunno what that craic about the goalies is. Glenulin's current no. 1 is Shane O'Kane (derry sub keeper) and their no. 2 is eoin mc nicholl (former minor keeper and u21) but he is currently in the states.
the dubs have nobody to mark paddy bradley while derry have the defenders to take care of brogan, vaughan etc. derry by 3 or 4.
Loup
Got my tickets through Derry...no problem at all thankfully!!!! Lower Cusack 303
I think it both hinders and helps...depends on the opposition...if they go man to man it can be useful brogan for example dragging a slow full back out to the wing back and ending up with a small wingback in full back etc....it can also isolate quick players on slow players if they don't move....but far rather Keaney in full forward and Brogan in corner forward...
Clarshack...
Dublin can put Griffen on Bradley who will keep him fairly quiet but they have the defenders to stop all the other forwards...Bradley a better scorer than teh Dublin forwards...More Dublni forwards able to score than Derry...
Any of you Dubs lookin for tickets hould contact anyone you know in Derry, last night at Owenbeg I was able to get 10 for friends and family who are currently on holiday. I remember getting a couple for some lads I knew ahead of the 2002 semi-final as our minors were playing Longford that day
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 03, 2007, 02:08:35 PM
No, why do you think short accurate kickouts are so important in the modern game?
Because the mid-field area is generally packed and it is vital that kick-out are varied so that attackes can be set up using alert quick HB's such as O'Kane and McEldowney. This requires a keeper who can deliver these when appropriate. Whelan and Ryan are very strong and other options will be required to get the ball to our scoring forwards. It's common sense really!!!!
derry to win by 4 points, whelan to get sent off because derry midfeild will clear him out
I see the match is on at 3pm on saturday,Will this affect the Dublin support seeing as the Premiership starts at this time next saturday ;)
Quote from: Real Talk on August 03, 2007, 11:41:22 PMBecause the mid-field area is generally packed and it is vital that kick-out are varied so that attackes can be set up using alert quick HB's such as O'Kane and McEldowney.
Quick kickouts can often put the defence under pressure as there is very little margin for error, they can only be used a few times a game, for that reason I'd rather have someone with physical presence (and a proven goalkeeper) such as Gillis rather than Deets in there.
QuoteWhelan and Ryan are very strong and other options will be required to get the ball to our scoring forwards. It's common sense really!!!!
Is there any point in us turning up?? I might just put that ticket up on ebay at this rate.
Hope dublin meet kerry in the semi,would love to see whelans face at the final whistle.
What is this? The calm before the storm? How did this thread slide on to page 2?
Should be a cracker of a game. Up Derry.
Good stuff outta Big A on The Sunday Game tonight.
"I think it may be a step too far for Derry".
He's sticking with the plan well, eh Lynchbhoy?
Can't wait for the Dublin vs Kerry Semi, should be a cracker.
Doire Abu!
Is it possible to still get tickets for this game?
Quote from: darbyo on August 05, 2007, 11:51:31 PM
Is it possible to still get tickets for this game?
Yeah - theres tonnes on ebay if your prepared to pay for them!! >:(
I'd say Derry will be returning a fair amount of tickets but there will be a huge demand for them if they are re-sold in Dublin!!
Ebay might acutally be your best bet!! :o
So with just 5 days left, can we expect any changes on the Dublin team?
No injury concerns?
I dont anticipate any changes for derry apart from Kevin McGuckin coming into the defence.
In Joe Diver and Eoin Bradley, Derry have a couple of great options on the bench to bring on.
Im gonna call it, Derry by 2 points. :)
Now that Tyrone are out, good luck to Derry and Monaghan this weekend - I hope Derry silence the hill early on and turn them over. Good luck to Monaghan as well.
Come on Doire!
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 11:54:46 AM
Come on Doire!
Cheers Zig... I know it must be hard... it certainly was for me going to watch youse a couple of years ago!
Quote from: Loup Bandit on August 06, 2007, 11:44:23 AM
So with just 5 days left, can we expect any changes on the Dublin team?
No injury concerns?
I dont anticipate any changes for derry apart from Kevin McGuckin coming into the defence.
In Joe Diver and Eoin Bradley, Derry have a couple of great options on the bench to bring on.
Im gonna call it, Derry by 2 points. :)
What way do you think Derry will line out Loup. McGuckin in at Center half, Geard to wing half and Himphy to the bench?
Any latests on Murphy/McCloy fitness.
I'm going to go for a Draw - Derry to win the reply by a point!! ;D
Was toul by a panel member yesterday that McCloy will be grand, Murphy's touch and go getting loads of physio and keeeping the knee almost permanently iced
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2007, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 11:54:46 AM
Come on Doire!
Cheers Zig... I know it must be hard... it certainly was for me going to watch youse a couple of years ago!
Difficult to say, but we are Ulster people. I'll be backing Derry and Monaghan now for Sam.
For what it's worth going by radio repaorts (probably not a pile) but Derry report a clean bill of health for saturday, all players available for selection. Im expecting team selection to be something like;
Gillis
McGoldrick
McCloy
Lockhart
O'Kane
McGuckin
McEldowney
Doherty
Conway
Lynch
Murphy
Muldoon
Devlin
Bradley
Gilligan
Hoping big Enda can continue to revel in his free role out the pitch and make a few telling plucks like he did against laois. If things were not going well, plan B could be to throw him in at full-forward in the closing stages where he caused a lot of trouble for full-back McConnell in the challenge game played a couple of months ago.
We have good man markers in defence so should be a few great match up's. Id rate Keaney as Dublin's best forward so probably like to see Lockhart on him.
A lot could depend on the benches and who springs who at the vital stages. As i previously said Diver and Eoin Bradley could have a big impact.
bbc sports site says Murphy, and the 2 mcgoldircks have recoverd and are taking part in full training.
No injuries what so ever in the derry camp. How true that is I dont know.
Quote from: Loup Bandit on August 06, 2007, 01:57:02 PM
For what it's worth going by radio repaorts (probably not a pile) but Derry report a clean bill of health for saturday, all players available for selection. Im expecting team selection to be something like;
Gillis
McGoldrick
McCloy
Lockhart
O'Kane
McGuckin
McEldowney
Doherty
Conway
Lynch
Murphy
Muldoon
Devlin
Bradley
Gilligan
I would expect derry to line out as follows:
Gillis
McGoldrick McCloy Lockhart
O'Kane McGuckin McEldowney
Docherty
Conway
Lynch Murphy Gilligan
Devlin Bradley Muldoon
This is very much depending on McGuckin being 100% fit to start - if he is 100% fit then he's gotta start - too influential to leave on the bench!
Muldoon will be on his roaming role between Mid field and Full forward
I'd also expect Diver to be sprung before half time if things aren't going to plan and Eoin Bradley early in the 2nd half to give the attack a bit more of an edge
From Laim Hayes in yesterday's tribune
'Croke Park 'monster' to conquer'
"Dublin, however, in my estimation, are the most dangerous team left and while they might not win this All-Ireland they will most assuredly go almighty close to it. And, in addition, I'm expecting one all-powerful, all-convincing performance from The Dubs in Croker any day now, which will only further increase the team's momentum in September's direction. The Leinster final victory over Laois was very good indeed, or 80 per cent of it was in that category.
One 100 per cent performance is still building up within Dublin, and this Derry team appears to be tailor-made to allow such a phenomenon to occur next Saturday.
As Tohill said last Sunday night, Dublin have just won three provincial titles in-arow, and Derry have not got within touching distance of one in this same period of time.
What Tohill did not reveal . . . because quite possibly he doesn't believe it . . . is that Dublin have created a team of definite, if not totally complete, character. Derry, on the other hand are flawed, and slightly flaky in the 'singleminded department'. This game is set up in Dublin's favour even more than that, as it happens. In fact this quarter-final could not be teed up any more impressively in favour of Paul Caffrey's team.
Derry, y'see, are coming into Croker with three 'big' victories in their sails, and even though they barely know the way from the dressing-room to the playing field, they think they are now heading for Ireland's very own theatre of dreams, where anything can happen. Derry are strong. They're able, and if they're in the mood they can play football which might even be termed attractive.
After beating Armagh, Mayo and Laois, this Derry team might be foolish enough to think that they have the right to go toe-to-toe with the Dubs in a classic heavyweight contest in front of 80,000 fans. Do that, or even think that for too long, and Derry are doomed.
It's unlikely Derry will freeze. They've been here before, and the team has enough years under its belt, so they will hardly be caught in the headlights of Hill 16. However, Derry do look especially vulnerable to Dublin's fast, fluent passing of the ball up the field. Dublin get the ball from A to Z twice as fast as most of the teams Derry have played in their neck of the woods.
All things told, Derry would have been better off getting Kerry in the 'quarters' . . . Kerry would have gone at them a little more slowly, and Kerry would have shown them greater respect. Derry would have been better off if they had been called down to Croker for Sunday afternoon rather than Saturday afternoon.
Dublin don't do 'respect'. The Dublin team can't do 'respect'. Dublin, if they sit and watch their opponents, turn into couch potatoes.
Dublin, instead, do the 'jugular' . . . they do that better than 'respect' by a long distance.
Taking most of the self-belief, if not the life, from this Derry team might be as straightforward as A, B, C.
'A' being Kevin McCloy, 'B' being Fergal Doherty, and 'C' being Paddy Bradley. After that, you've got individuals on the Derry team with big names who have not put in the really big performances in recent years. Sean Marty Lockhart, for instance, is a favourite on the lips of all media commentators, more because of what he did in the first half of his excellent career than the second-half. Enda Muldoon, too, has had a career of two halves!
For all Muldoon's brilliant instinct and magical touch he already seems to be looking forward to a long retirement. This sounds awful negative about Derry, and I'm genuinely sorry about that . . . some of my best friends are Derrymen and women. It's just that this game is heaven-sent for Dublin to give the massive performance they need before beginning the 'charge home' against Kerry or Monaghan in the semi-final.
Back to Derry's A, B, and C, briefly.
McCloy at full-back is strong and he's also made of good stuff, and the footballing bloodline of Doherty is the middle of the field is pure quality. And Paddy Braldey? He's a certified genius, no doubt, but only if he's getting good, fast, crisp ball.
However, Dublin have so many options to cover A, B, and also C . . . beginning with Keaney who can be asked to get into an oldfashioned bruiser, and he'd certainly do enough in that role to stop the Derry No 3 from being anything like the inspirational presence Derry need. Or Caffrey can get Keaney to take McCloy away from the edge of the square. If McCloy doesn't go? He's going to have Jayo or young Bernard Brogan to deal with, and either is nimble and quickwitted enough to seriously pressure McCloy, and test his reaction times and powers of recovery . . . after being turned inside out half a dozen times.
Alan Brogan, too, would have the strength and extra two yards of pace, as well as the 'twistability' to seriously get on top of things at the edge of the square. Advantage Dublin.
In the middle of the field, if Ciaran Whelan and Shane Ryan are confident of totally establishing themselves as the greatest midfield pairing in the country, then they must look upon Doherty as a welcome opponent. Whelan and Ryan are the best, and Doherty is the sort of opponent who will give Ryan the opportunity of classic, and effective, manmarking job. Advantage Dublin.
And Paddy Bradley? Advantage Dublin, if Paul Caffrey is extremely sensible, and that means never, ever leaving Ross McConnell all alone on Bradley, even if Dublin appear to be walking away with the game. Caffrey and his team simply must double-team Bradley, just to be sure, to be sure. Paddy Bradley can be hot, and he can go very, very cold . . . and when Derry are struggling throughout the field and Bradley is left to think about life, his instinct turns selfish, extremely selfish (as, indeed, is the case with most true geniuses I've known in Gaelic football).
Dublin have Griffin and Henry, as well as the tightest marker in Dublin club football, Stephen O'Shaughnessy (even though he's getting so few chances anymore that you've got to wonder if they are even giving him a shirt to wear beneath his tracksuit) who can work with McConnell. Bradley must be defused, and it's the safe thing to make that a two-man job.
After that, I expect Dublin will have . . . surprise of surprises . . . Monaghan all to themselves in the semi-final".
So that's it then? Big Liam has spoken. We might as well not bother turning up :-X
That column is absolutely laughable... some of the things he is missing from the article is the fact that Derry are actually a better football team than Dublin with better players... sure enough Dublin's fitness, passion, gameplan and few individuals may be enough to carry them through to an All-Ireland but this drivel Hayes is talking makes them out to be world beaters when this is clearly not the case.
To be honest it will be a fascinating game and there are so many different ways it can turn but I really don't think we can get steam rollered on this one!
QuoteAfter that, you've got individuals on the Derry team with big names who have not put in the really big performances in recent years. Sean Marty Lockhart, for instance, is a favourite on the lips of all media commentators, more because of what he did in the first half of his excellent career than the second-half. Enda Muldoon, too, has had a career of two halves!
As for this tripe! Well the man's ignorance really speaks for itself!
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2007, 04:07:01 PMQuoteAfter that, you've got individuals on the Derry team with big names who have not put in the really big performances in recent years. Sean Marty Lockhart, for instance, is a favourite on the lips of all media commentators, more because of what he did in the first half of his excellent career than the second-half. Enda Muldoon, too, has had a career of two halves!
As for this tripe! Well the man's ignorance really speaks for itself!
Don't know about that Screen, Lockhart has for too long been untouchable, but he has not been great for Derry since the early part of this decade - admittedly that's because he's been injured and played out of position for much of the time, but Hayes point is valid.
As for Enda, you just never know what you're going to get from him, he's had a fair few poor games for Derry too, although I feel he's probably been better for Derry over the last couple of years than he was in his early years?
Pin that to your dressing room Doire! Use it as a motivator ;)
Looking forward to the game and would love to see Derry win. I think if Derry turn up and play to their potential then an upset is a real possibility. Derry are unrecognisable from the team that didnt turn up to play Monaghan. Theyre very strong in defence, have strong midfielders and have the class of Muldoon and Bradley up front. Theyve also got good workers in the form of Lynch and Murphy. Dublin will be difficult to beat and there pace will casue Derry problems. When Dublin produce there 2 spells of 15 minutes in the game it is important that Derry dont let there heads drop and keep the Dublin score down. If this happens Derry will win but its a big if. This Derry team also arent used to playing in such a big occasio but theyve have lots of experience throughout. Big day for Gilligan - really needs to play to his potential.
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
That column is absolutely laughable... some of the things he is missing from the article is the fact that Derry are actually a better football team than Dublin with better players... sure enough Dublin's fitness, passion, gameplan and few individuals may be enough to carry them through to an All-Ireland but this drivel Hayes is talking makes them out to be world beaters when this is clearly not the case.
To be honest it will be a fascinating game and there are so many different ways it can turn but I really don't think we can get steam rollered on this one!
QuoteAfter that, you've got individuals on the Derry team with big names who have not put in the really big performances in recent years. Sean Marty Lockhart, for instance, is a favourite on the lips of all media commentators, more because of what he did in the first half of his excellent career than the second-half. Enda Muldoon, too, has had a career of two halves!
As for this tripe! Well the man's ignorance really speaks for itself!
They most certainly are not. I know it's quite common for people around the country to look down their noses at the Dubs and deride them as a bunch of gym monkeys who'll run all day but have little real football ability, but it's simply not true. My guess is that this will be all too apparent come Saturday evening.
aw sounds like the dubs have this years allireland won already
That column is absolutely laughable... some of the things he is missing from the article is the fact that Derry are actually a better football team than Dublin with better players... sure enough Dublin's fitness, passion, gameplan and few individuals may be enough to carry them through to an All-Ireland but this drivel Hayes is talking makes them out to be world beaters when this is clearly not the case.
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How are Derry a better football team with better players??????
he's hanging onto the notion that ulster football still rules .come sunday evening he'll have new respect for the perceived weakness of the leinster championship in comparison to ulster. when leinster and munster rule comprise the semi-final pairings.
I think there is a lot of overconfidence from some Dublin fans who dont seem to appreciate that Derry are a genuine threat. McGuckin, Lockhart and McCloy are as good a defenders if not better than what the Dubs have. Doherty and Conway helped by Muldoon should be more than able to cope with Dublin in the middle. Up front Bradley is the best forward on show on Saturday. However not sure if Derry have as much quality overall as the Dubs and may have one or 2 weak links. They may also struggle with the pace of the game and the occasion could get to some. If Paddy Bradley produces a big display on Saturday and Derry win he might finally get that all star he's after. I dont think Derry will ever have as many people around Ireland supporting them as this Saturday.
I think Meaths win on Sat shows the Dubs in a good light . I expect that Derry will not be able to live with the Dubs in Croker on sat . I predict the Dubs by 7
Hope ta f**k Derry wipes the smug smiles of a few of the Dublin players
But i think Dublin will win
Unbelievable article, in a nutshell exactly why the rest of the country can't stand Dublin.
would love to see one of the unmentioned players ie Lynch, McGuckin, really show what they can do and destroy Dublin
Think the game is too close to call all over the pitch, but hope to God Derry can show their true class and give Dublin a real battle.
How many tickets did Derry get by the way?Were they all taken?
REALLY starting to look forward to this one now.
Re. the Liam Hayes article, I should point out that he had Laois tipped for the All-Ireland at the start of the year. In other words he's a spoofer.
Quote from: mc_grens on August 06, 2007, 10:16:21 PM
REALLY starting to look forward to this one now.
Me too pal. Looking forward to it in much the same way as I would with England in the World Cup.
For all their perceived talents which they do genuinely have. i can't get over that this derry team has failed consistently in the Ulster championship. I find it difficult to rationalise that they will suddenly turn up in Croke park and be world beaters. The reality is we're called arrogant no matter what way we call it. If this Derry team were so good they'd have at least won an Ulster championship. For Derry to win Dublin wil have to play well below par.
That's a possibilty especially with this Dublin team but Derry aren't all-ireland contenders in my view regardless of the result next Saturday.i'd call it honesty some of the Dublin nay-sayers will call it arrogance. Quite frankly i couldn't give a flying f**k what you call it-for Derry to win Dublin will have to underperform. I expect Dublin to win by 4 points
I'll eat my hat if derry don't win. just put £100 on them at 3/1!
QuoteI'll eat my hat if derry don't win. just put £100 on them at 3/1!
No No No No NO!!!!
How many times!!! Dublin will win. we are out of our depth!
3/1 :o Them good odds might throw a few cents on them myself
Derry will have no fear of Dublin. Whoever gets the jobs of marking Brogan/Vaughan/etc. will do their damnest to give them nothing to jeer about. I would be putting money on it only my religion forbids gambling.
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 06, 2007, 10:47:07 PM
Derry will have no fear of Dublin. Whoever gets the jobs of marking Brogan/Vaughan/etc. will do their damnest to give them nothing to jeer about. I would be putting money on it only my religion forbids gambling.
Sure we are all atheists in Laois!!
The Dubs could even do well with putting money on derry +3 at 11/10. not bad atall.
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 06, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Unbelievable article, in a nutshell exactly why the rest of the country can't stand Dublin.
The rest of the country can't stand dublin because a Meath man thinks they'll win? That's the best excuse yet.
Good luck to the in-breds at the weekend. Never thought I'd write that.
No better man than Spillane to unite a province.
QuoteHow are Derry a better football team with better players?Huh??
Well taken as a purely statistical standpoint I would bet my house on the fact that there are maybe twice as many All-Ireland medals among the Derry panel than on the Dublin panel and won from a wider range of competitions, I haven't got time to work out exact amounts of medals but I could safely say that in terms of actual Medals Derry would have at least twice as many as Dublin ranging from Minor, Colleges, Club, Sigerson and U-21 while Dublin have a few Sigerson, a few U21 and maybe Jayo with one Senior.
My own personal opinion is that McConnell, Griffin, Casey, Cahill, Ryan, B. Brogan, Moran, Sherlock (Was good, not anymore) and Vaughan are average footballers. Of course the rest of the team are extremely talented and the lads mentioned stick to their gameplan extremely well which means Dublin are extremely difficult to break down and difficult to beat.
Derry's players IMO are better individually than the Dublin team but their gameplan, fitness and teamwork is not up to the standard that Dublin have set.
As Tohill said, Dublin are further along in their development than Derry, we are most definitely a team in transition and we will have learned from this year, it is for this reason that I think Dublin will beat us, they have had 3 years good preparation, some tough defeats which they will have learned from and ultimately they will not have a better chance than this to win an All-Ireland!
I think one of the reasons that Dublin get hyped up alot is because so much of them is being shown on TV. People see them playing in Croke Park year after year and begin to think that they are better players than they actually are. In my opinion Dublin are an average team, and a few teams recently have been victims of their own downfall against them by being feared of them. Derry aren't world beaters either but have alot better players than Dublin, and that should see them through on the day if their minds are right.
Quote from: Jimbobjnr on August 06, 2007, 11:15:44 PM
I think one of the reasons that Dublin get hyped up alot is because so much of them is being shown on TV. People see them playing in Croke Park year after year and begin to think that they are better players than they actually are. In my opinion Dublin are an average team, and a few teams recently have been victims of their own downfall against them by being feared of them. Derry aren't world beaters either but have alot better players than Dublin, and that should see them through on the day if their minds are right.
Totally agree with you.If Laois had have had any bottle at all in them Dublin were there for the taking in the Leinster Final and the same with Offaly in the semi final
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 06, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
How many tickets did Derry get by the way?Were they all taken?
Derry were given 5 tickets, but according to reports, they could have shifted as many as 10.*
*may or may not be true. :P
The intimidating atmosphere in Croker on Saturday and the possible superior fitness of Dublin may be too much for Derry; I'd really love to see a Derry win!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2007, 10:31:40 PM
For all their perceived talents which they do genuinely have. i can't get over that this derry team has failed consistently in the Ulster championship. I find it difficult to rationalise that they will suddenly turn up in Croke park and be world beaters. The reality is we're called arrogant no matter what way we call it. If this Derry team were so good they'd have at least won an Ulster championship. For Derry to win Dublin wil have to play well below par.
That's a possibilty especially with this Dublin team but Derry aren't all-ireland contenders in my view regardless of the result next Saturday.i'd call it honesty some of the Dublin nay-sayers will call it arrogance. Quite frankly i couldn't give a flying f**k what you call it-for Derry to win Dublin will have to underperform. I expect Dublin to win by 4 points
I disagree, as Screen said, man for man Derry are certainly no worse then Dublin - the bookies make Dublin 1/3, I reckon somewhere around 8/13 would be more realistic given the personnel on show, given home advantage and how the team are used to the big occasion etc one has to make them decent favourites.
If Derry win, it will because they have managed to perfom, if Dublin win, it will be more likely because Derry have failed to perform again. The problem Derry have had has been consistency, the defeats by Donegal and Monaghan in the past 2 years were dreadful efforts, absolutely abysmal, that's why I'd be loathe to tip Derry here, they're always capable of throwing out a performance like that.
There's no doubt that if Dublin win, they'll be realistic contenders, however if Derry were to manage a win, few would see them taking the title (even if Monaghan were to beat Kerry, everyone's fancy would be Cork/Meath).
As for the margin of victory, Derry will win narrowly, or they'll lose by 6/7.
agree alot with what you say there bogball. Derry rarely come back from behind in games, so i wudn't like to see Dublin fire in a goal or two early on (dont think it will happen). that would be my only worry about the game.
Its time for Derry so step up and show the caliber of players they have, its been a long time coming.
Im going to go for Dublin to beat Kerry in the replay
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2007, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 11:54:46 AM
Come on Doire!
Cheers Zig... I know it must be hard... it certainly was for me going to watch youse a couple of years ago!
Difficult to say, but we are Ulster people. I'll be backing Derry and Monaghan now for Sam.
Ziggy et al., you should be ashamed of yourselves, win a couple of Sams and we are going soft. You can be damn sure no one on the other side of the Sperrins was doing anything other than cheering on Meath last Saturday. Let's not get too carried way and let the anti-Ulster chip on the shoulder of Spillane and co. rob us of our true nature.
Come on the DUBS!!
Derry won't live with the Dubs in this one, they've been punching above their weight
these past few years with some of the scalps they've taken, only to be routed at the business end
so i expect nothing different at the weekend: Dublin by 5 never being troubled. ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 06, 2007, 11:18:44 PM
Totally agree with you.If Laois had have had any bottle at all in them Dublin were there for the taking in the Leinster Final and the same with Offaly in the semi final
Have you tried counselling?
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 07, 2007, 05:04:07 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 06, 2007, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 06, 2007, 11:54:46 AM
Come on Doire!
Cheers Zig... I know it must be hard... it certainly was for me going to watch youse a couple of years ago!
Difficult to say, but we are Ulster people. I'll be backing Derry and Monaghan now for Sam.
Ziggy et al., you should be ashamed of yourselves, win a couple of Sams and we are going soft. You can be damn sure no one on the other side of the Sperrins was doing anything other than cheering on Meath last Saturday. Let's not get too carried way and let the anti-Ulster chip on the shoulder of Spillane and co. rob us of our true nature.
Come on the DUBS!!
Phew, needed that bit of therapy. Boom Boom Boom, everyone say Jayo....
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 06, 2007, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: Jimbobjnr on August 06, 2007, 11:15:44 PM
I think one of the reasons that Dublin get hyped up alot is because so much of them is being shown on TV. People see them playing in Croke Park year after year and begin to think that they are better players than they actually are. In my opinion Dublin are an average team, and a few teams recently have been victims of their own downfall against them by being feared of them. Derry aren't world beaters either but have alot better players than Dublin, and that should see them through on the day if their minds are right.
Totally agree with you.If Laois had have had any bottle at all in them Dublin were there for the taking in the Leinster Final and the same with Offaly in the semi final
What match where you watching Laois score a 2/3 unanswered points in the end to make it look respectable but Dublin had the game closed out by just after half time and Offaly could still be in CP now and they wouldn't win .
DubsforSam - Just picked up my tickets last night, wont be sitting too far from you after all. Lower Cusack - Section 306. ;D
Just thinking, its a credit to Jason Sherlock that he is still playing county football, a very dedicated and under-rated cog in the dublin wheel IMO. I remember him terrorising defence's in '95, and scoring that famous goal where he lost his boot! But for derry's sake, i hope he has one of his quieter games on saturday. His influence cant be under-estimated, his movement, bravery and unselfish link play are a joy to watch, not to mention ability to take a score himself.
Looking forward to the game big time!
There should be no problems with any derry fans getting tickets for this weekend's big game. Urge all the oakleafers you know to get out and support the team.
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
Your right, we're shite. We fluked it to get here, your goning to hammer us!
Quote from: marty88 on August 07, 2007, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
Your right, we're shite. We fluked it to get here, your goning to hammer us!
Marty - glad to see you can pick up something that isn't there...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
What's winning an Ulster match got to do with anything? It's common knowledge that the standard of Ulster football is better than any other province. The reason Ulster don't win more AI's is mainly due to team's having to peak too soon as witnessed over the last few years (Tyrone's exceptional 2005 run excepted) and given the fact that Leinster haven't appeared in an AIF since 2001 and even then Meath were humiliated... with Leinster's last AI title another 2 years before that you can hardly call the province competitive on a national level. I can't remember what happened last time Derry played the Leinster champions in an AIQF can you?
Anyway we all know that there is a serious difference between games played in May and games in August... teams can completely transform. As for your observation that "If our players are so good they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games", it's common knowledge and a failing of Derry's over the last 17 years that we have a collection of individuals as talented if not more talented than other teams but for some reason when they are all thrown together they cannot seem to perform as well as say a team of average footballers playing to their collective strength.
As I have said before, this is what we will see on Saturday and why I think the Dubs will win!
Will Kevin Mc Guckin be playing on Saturday ?
screenexile
Quote[it's common knowledge and a failing of Derry's over the last 17 years that we have a collection of individuals as talented if not more talented than other teams but for some reason when they are all thrown together they cannot seem to perform as well as say a team of average footballers playing to their collective strength.
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Now let me do my maths....17 from 2007 leaves 1990....feed a corner forward on farts but did we not win 2 Ulster, 3 National Leagues and an All Irealnd from 92-98, I think you need to look at the crop of players from 2001-2007...want to reassess.
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
Well that obviously indicates the different level of football. Lets not forget that Ulster has provided some of the best teams in recent years. Derry would have certainly won alot more provincial titles should let have been up against the same standard of teams hailing from leinster.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: marty88 on August 07, 2007, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
Loup....Nice seats!!!!!
Amazing listening to the Derry folk here that you would think that they had so many brilliant footballers and yet they can barely win a provincial game...if players are so good then they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games because they are incapable of winning an Ulster match....
Your right, we're shite. We fluked it to get here, your goning to hammer us!
Marty - glad to see you can pick up something that isn't there...
No i think I got it spot on. U said that Derry people overate this derry team. I agreed by calling us shite and pointing out that we were lucky to beat the ulster champions and the connacht champions.
Following on from the us being shite, I perdicted that Dublin would beat us.
QuoteNow let me do my maths....17 from 2007 leaves 1990....feed a corner forward on farts but did we not win 2 Ulster, 3 National Leagues and an All Irealnd from 92-98, I think you need to look at the crop of players from 2001-2007...want to reassess.
I know that Max but as a team throughout the 90's we had probably the best players in the country but only performed in 1993! If you want the classic example of my point it would be a Derry team full of class players getting beat by Peter the taxi driver and his merry band of back seat passengers in 1995!!!!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
What's winning an Ulster match got to do with anything? It's common knowledge that the standard of Ulster football is better than any other province. The reason Ulster don't win more AI's is mainly due to team's having to peak too soon as witnessed over the last few years (Tyrone's exceptional 2005 run excepted) and given the fact that Leinster haven't appeared in an AIF since 2001 and even then Meath were humiliated... with Leinster's last AI title another 2 years before that you can hardly call the province competitive on a national level. I can't remember what happened last time Derry played the Leinster champions in an AIQF can you?
Anyway we all know that there is a serious difference between games played in May and games in August... teams can completely transform. As for your observation that "If our players are so good they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games", it's common knowledge and a failing of Derry's over the last 17 years that we have a collection of individuals as talented if not more talented than other teams but for some reason when they are all thrown together they cannot seem to perform as well as say a team of average footballers playing to their collective strength.
As I have said before, this is what we will see on Saturday and why I think the Dubs will win!
Screen - Sorry I don't buy this idea that teams can be so full of talented players but that they are incapable of playing together...if they are talented they can play together if they are prepared to put the effort in and work hard etc....
Last time you played a Leinster champion was against Westmeath who were like Sligo on Sat they were just so happy to have won Leinster they didn't care after that....remember what happened last time you played Dublin and that was in Clones!!! Beaten by Longford last year, Laois the year before (if memory is correct)...
Anyway if as is expected both Ulster teams lose next weekend then for a 2nd year in a row Ulster will have no teams in the semi-final which would seem to indicate that the standard isn't the highest!!
Street fighter - I think you will find that in 03, 05, 06 it was Leinster teams that beat Derry in teh championship....and knocked them out...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 12:27:18 PMthey can play together if they are prepared to put the effort in and work hard etc....
Maybe you're on to something there.
i have ended up with a spare ticket, if anybody needs it pm me
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
What's winning an Ulster match got to do with anything? It's common knowledge that the standard of Ulster football is better than any other province. The reason Ulster don't win more AI's is mainly due to team's having to peak too soon as witnessed over the last few years (Tyrone's exceptional 2005 run excepted) and given the fact that Leinster haven't appeared in an AIF since 2001 and even then Meath were humiliated... with Leinster's last AI title another 2 years before that you can hardly call the province competitive on a national level. I can't remember what happened last time Derry played the Leinster champions in an AIQF can you?
Anyway we all know that there is a serious difference between games played in May and games in August... teams can completely transform. As for your observation that "If our players are so good they wouldn't have played 19 qualifier games", it's common knowledge and a failing of Derry's over the last 17 years that we have a collection of individuals as talented if not more talented than other teams but for some reason when they are all thrown together they cannot seem to perform as well as say a team of average footballers playing to their collective strength.
As I have said before, this is what we will see on Saturday and why I think the Dubs will win!
Screen - Sorry I don't buy this idea that teams can be so full of talented players but that they are incapable of playing together...if they are talented they can play together if they are prepared to put the effort in and work hard etc....
Last time you played a Leinster champion was against Westmeath who were like Sligo on Sat they were just so happy to have won Leinster they didn't care after that....remember what happened last time you played Dublin and that was in Clones!!! Beaten by Longford last year, Laois the year before (if memory is correct)...
Anyway if as is expected both Ulster teams lose next weekend then for a 2nd year in a row Ulster will have no teams in the semi-final which would seem to indicate that the standard isn't the highest!!
Street fighter - I think you will find that in 03, 05, 06 it was Leinster teams that beat Derry in teh championship....and knocked them out...
dubsforsam who have dublin defeated outside of leinster since pillar took over
I can't understand this theory that Dublin are going to blow Derry away with superior power and fitness! ???
Yes, Dublin are a big side but Derry are notorious for being physically stong and this team is no different. Derry handeled themselves more than well against Tyrone last year, and Armagh and Mayo this year - all sides boasting strong teams. As for fitness - in this day and age most players in county panels are athletes in peak condition. Both sets of supporters have become blinkered when jugding who has got the most talented bunch of players - we'll know the answer to that on Saturday night! I think the Croke Park factor will be more against Derry's favour than the strength, fitness or skill arguments!
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 07, 2007, 04:07:24 PM
Both sets of supporters have become blinkered when jugding who has got the most talented bunch of players -
yep ..........Kerry have.
I also agree that croke park will make it a lot tougher for Derry than some other neutral venue would.
Still I bet all Derry fans and players would prefer a game at Croker!
Supporters usually try to talk their team down in the run up to games, not the Dubs! Its not often supporters complain that their team arent being made hot favourites. I think there is the potential for 1 of the ulster teams to pull of a shock this weekend.
i would always talk dublin down because i'm not convinced by a lot of the players on the team having played agianst a lot of them. However i don't buy into this notion that Derry after years of mediocrity in the Ulster championship are all of a sudden world beaters.
I think the 2006/2007 Ulster championhips have been as poor as any other province and that the Ulster golden age has come to an end for a couple of years. People conitually give out about the Leinster championship's standards but some of the more cynical could also say that the fact that Derry and Monaghan are the two left standing from Ulster could be an indication of the slide in standards in the province as was Sligo winning the Connacht championship.
2-13 to 1-12
derry to win, 4 points in it
paddy b to score 1-5
Gotta agree with Indiana, i find to hard to believe that people who know what they are talking about would fancy Derry over Dublin, yes they have a chance but that is about it. As for Dublin hyping themselves up i do not believe there is a huge amount of belief that we will beat Kerry. I honestly believe that this years champions will be decided in the Dublin v Kerry game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2007, 06:42:29 PM
i would always talk dublin down because i'm not convinced by a lot of the players on the team having played agianst a lot of them. However i don't buy into this notion that Derry after years of mediocrity in the Ulster championship are all of a sudden world beaters.
In fairness to Derry Indiana, we've achieved exactly the same as Dublin in terms of All Ireland success since 2001, 2 semi-final appearances each, Dublin may have managed 3 successive Leinsters but what use have they been? Provincial success is only an easier route to the quarters, and a few worthless baubles for the players (mind you I wouldn't have minded winning one!).
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2007, 06:42:29 PMPeople conitually give out about the Leinster championship's standards but some of the more cynical could also say that the fact that Derry and Monaghan are the two left standing from Ulster could be an indication of the slide in standards in the province as was Sligo winning the Connacht championship.
Or they could say that it's because they were drawn to play last of the Ulster sides :P
QuoteAs for Dublin hyping themselves up i do not believe there is a huge amount of belief that we will beat Kerry. I honestly believe that this years champions will be decided in the Dublin v Kerry game.
YES!!!!
Its workin lads, its workin!
Any word on who the referee is for this game?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 07, 2007, 09:24:03 PM
Any word on who the referee is for this game?
Once its not "Pat the p***k" i dont mind!
I'm sure oul Coleman's upstairs winding up a few Jackeens. He'd love another crack at them. The spirit of '93 should stand to Derry.
Dubs unchanged:
DUBLIN (SF v Derry): S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; S Ryan, C Whelan; C Moran, J Sherlock, B Brogan; A Brogan, C Keaney, M Vaughan.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
Dubs unchanged:
DUBLIN (SF v Derry): S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; S Ryan, C Whelan; C Moran, J Sherlock, B Brogan; A Brogan, C Keaney, M Vaughan.
Fair play, a decent enough team,cant have any complaints!
That is the Dublin team i expected to see named, although they wont be sticking to those positions i believe. Sean Marty will pick up Alan Brogan, McCloy on Keaney, and Mickey McGoldrick on Vaughan - should be interesting battles there. Any ideas on who will mark the Derry forwards. Liam Hayes idea of putting two mean on Bradley was rediculous, so i hope they do it!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 07, 2007, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
Anyway if as is expected both Ulster teams lose next weekend then for a 2nd year in a row Ulster will have no teams in the semi-final which would seem to indicate that the standard isn't the highest!!
cant agree wiith that sure if derry hada drawn monaghan then ulster wuda definitley been represented in semi. so u cant pin everthing on standards.
as for the match cant wait, sure its another day out! hopin derry will win, thinking dublin will. hope im wrong. gonna enjoy the day anyway.
Quote from: Jimbobjnr on August 07, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
That is the Dublin team i expected to see named, although they wont be sticking to those positions i believe. Sean Marty will pick up Alan Brogan, McCloy on Keaney, and Mickey McGoldrick on Vaughan - should be interesting battles there. Any ideas on who will mark the Derry forwards. Liam Hayes idea of putting two mean on Bradley was rediculous, so i hope they do it!
We gont need to worry about the Derry forwards as Whealo and the Tank will cut that supply chain off all day ;D
Ha, that would be the one area of the field i would be really worried about, fergal doc to compete well but i cant see james conway doing the business over shane ryan, Crozier shud stick in Diver to shake things up a bit! Would make for a great midfield battle.
Quote from: Jimbobjnr on August 07, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
That is the Dublin team i expected to see named, although they wont be sticking to those positions i believe. Sean Marty will pick up Alan Brogan, McCloy on Keaney, and Mickey McGoldrick on Vaughan - should be interesting battles there. Any ideas on who will mark the Derry forwards. Liam Hayes idea of putting two mean on Bradley was rediculous, so i hope they do it!
I would expect Henry to take Devlin, Griffen to take Bradley in the full forward line..
McConnell to take Muldoon if he comes into the full forward line or plays around the middle...
Cahill on Lynch, Casey on Gilligan and Cullen on Murphy....
If Lynch keeps dropping back to the half back line then Moran will take him and Cahill will move onto Murphy and Cullen will sweep....
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 09:25:34 AM
If Lynch keeps dropping back to the half back line then Moran will take him and Cahill will move onto Murphy and Cullen will sweep....
:o
doubt very much if any manager /selectors would adopt that loose and potentially catastrophic tactic.
man to man marking, if you dont then loose men warping the shape and configuration of a defense will be the start of a teams downfall
Quote from: mc_grens on August 07, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
QuoteAs for Dublin hyping themselves up i do not believe there is a huge amount of belief that we will beat Kerry. I honestly believe that this years champions will be decided in the Dublin v Kerry game.
YES!!!!
Its workin lads, its workin!
I see Derryhavent named the team
I htink we will realsie there is no point in playing the game and will go to Bundoran instead!
Lynchboy....
When Laois dropped back against Dublin it caused us a problem with the spare man but Cullen going forward to mark him also left a huge gap through the middle also.....
His sweeping would eliminate most of the danger of the long ball into the Derry 2 man full forward line and I would be quite happy to see Derry try handpassing the ball up the pitch.......as I said this is only if Derry drop Lynch back to give them an extra defender...
dubsforsam you did not answer my question,who have dublin beaten outside of leinster since pilaar took over?
Mark Lynch is a lad who hasn't blossomed at senior level as his underage form suggested he would. Still young I suppose. That might be because he seemed bigger in terms of height and weight at that age compared to others. Watched him at close quarters v Antrim and he still appears to be unsure as to his role, though perhaps that reflects more on Crozier. Where did he play v Laois?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
When Laois dropped back against Dublin it caused us a problem with the spare man but Cullen going forward to mark him also left a huge gap through the middle also.....
was that in the first 15-20 mins when Laois dominated the game and when Dublin abandoned the tactic they came back into it and kicked on from there?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
His sweeping would eliminate most of the danger of the long ball into the Derry 2 man full forward line and I would be quite happy to see Derry try handpassing the ball up the pitch.......as I said this is only if Derry drop Lynch back to give them an extra defender...
yes
Laois tried that too against Derry.......... ;)
Did Lynch play as an extra defender v Laois?
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 08, 2007, 11:11:26 AM
dubsforsam you did not answer my question,who have dublin beaten outside of leinster since pilaar took over?
They have only played 2 teams outside Leinster and lost to Tyrone/Mayo....
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 08, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
When Laois dropped back against Dublin it caused us a problem with the spare man but Cullen going forward to mark him also left a huge gap through the middle also.....
was that in the first 15-20 mins when Laois dominated the game and when Dublin abandoned the tactic they came back into it and kicked on from there?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:00:09 AM
His sweeping would eliminate most of the danger of the long ball into the Derry 2 man full forward line and I would be quite happy to see Derry try handpassing the ball up the pitch.......as I said this is only if Derry drop Lynch back to give them an extra defender...
yes
Laois tried that too against Derry.......... ;)
Did Lynch play as an extra defender v Laois?
It was in the first 15 mins when Laois were playing well as they were intercepting our long balls into the full forward line and this changed when Cullen went forward....however in the 2nd half Laois found it easier to get through the middle without any centreback and with only 5 defenders...
I know Laois tried that but Dublin have better defenders than Laois and a better midfield which means Derry won't have so much possession and ease of playing it through...
Not as much against Laois but he seemed to spend more times further back in previous games..
my argument being that derry have defeated these teams along with armagh in very recent times where as dublin have continued to fail against the top teams.yes westmeath may well of been happy winning a leinster title but it showed that overall the leinster c'ship is of lower standard to ulster which is the reason why derry have not won a ulster title but do well against the other top teams in the country.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:35:25 AM
It was in the first 15 mins when Laois were playing well as they were intercepting our long balls into the full forward line and this changed when Cullen went forward....however in the 2nd half Laois found it easier to get through the middle without any centreback and with only 5 defenders...
I know Laois tried that but Dublin have better defenders than Laois and a better midfield which means Derry won't have so much possession and ease of playing it through...
Wouldnt agree about Laois midfield and some of the observations, but is all down to personal perspective I suppose.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 08, 2007, 11:40:17 AM
my argument being that derry have defeated these teams along with armagh in very recent times where as dublin have continued to fail against the top teams.yes westmeath may well of been happy winning a leinster title but it showed that overall the leinster c'ship is of lower standard to ulster which is the reason why derry have not won a ulster title but do well against the other top teams in the country.
Drumanee
Remind who knocked Derry out of the championship in 03, 05, 06....I could have sworn it was Leinster teams that have done so....Dublin, Laois, Longford....You beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
i don't see all the hype regarding mark lynch quite frankly. for all the talk thre has been little delivery.
as regards who've we've beaten -derry lost to longford last year or did that escape your notice.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 08, 2007, 11:40:17 AM
my argument being that derry have defeated these teams along with armagh in very recent times where as dublin have continued to fail against the top teams.yes westmeath may well of been happy winning a leinster title but it showed that overall the leinster c'ship is of lower standard to ulster which is the reason why derry have not won a ulster title but do well against the other top teams in the country.
Drumanee
Remind who knocked Derry out of the championship in 03, 05, 06....I could have sworn it was Leinster teams that have done so....Dublin, Laois, Longford....You beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
that does not get away from the fact that dublin have not beat a top team in recent times,derry have!
QuoteRemind who knocked Derry out of the championship in 03, 05, 06....I could have sworn it was Leinster teams that have done so....Dublin, Laois, Longford....You beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
With regard to Derry losing to Laois and Longford in the past 2 years... how much did Dublin beat these 2 teams by in the same years?????
Screen....we beat both teams that is the difference in the same years that they beat Derry....
Yeah you beat them by a solitary point.. hardly a case for sayin that you are much better than us!
QuoteYou beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
I'll give you that Armagh were weaker but they were still a decent team. As for Mayo being a weaker team? How do you figure that one? 13 Players that figured against Kerry in the AIF played against Derry. AFAIK they were only missing the 2 corner backs whilst Nallen and Gardiner were both on the subs bench and not used.
The argument over which province is strongest is a silly one.
From 2002-2005 there was no argument but now every argument has a counter argument.
For example Meath, who were knocked out at the 1/4 final stage of Leinster beat the Ulster champs.
Some might argue that means Leinster is stronger.
There can be all kinds of silly arguments for each side here, none worth entertaining.
Lets just wait for the games before declaring who the better sides are.
Sounds good to me... not much more to be said now before the match I'm just counting down the hours at this stage. Whatever the result it should be a good game and a good atmosphere and as the man says "it's hard to beat a day out!"
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Yeah you beat them by a solitary point.. hardly a case for sayin that you are much better than us!
QuoteYou beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
I'll give you that Armagh were weaker but they were still a decent team. As for Mayo being a weaker team? How do you figure that one? 13 Players that figured against Kerry in the AIF played against Derry. AFAIK they were only missing the 2 corner backs whilst Nallen and Gardiner were both on the subs bench and not used.
Where did I say we are much better than you??? I said I am confident we will be victorious....
Armagh still a decent team yes but still a lot weaker than they had been with McGeeney/McGrane/Marsden/McConville etc being far worse for example and also losing Bellew/Clarke etc took an awful lot out of them...their loss to Donegal have been proven to be a poor enough team
McDonald was a shadow of the player last year due to injury, McGarrity also out as well as their best defender in Higgins...they had been comfortably beaten by Galway who were themselves easily beaten in the championship...
Do you really believe that Derry will win?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Yeah you beat them by a solitary point.. hardly a case for sayin that you are much better than us!
QuoteYou beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
I'll give you that Armagh were weaker but they were still a decent team. As for Mayo being a weaker team? How do you figure that one? 13 Players that figured against Kerry in the AIF played against Derry. AFAIK they were only missing the 2 corner backs whilst Nallen and Gardiner were both on the subs bench and not used.
Where did I say we are much better than you??? I said I am confident we will be victorious....
Armagh still a decent team yes but still a lot weaker than they had been with McGeeney/McGrane/Marsden/McConville etc being far worse for example and also losing Bellew/Clarke etc took an awful lot out of them...their loss to Donegal have been proven to be a poor enough team
McDonald was a shadow of the player last year due to injury, McGarrity also out as well as their best defender in Higgins...they had been comfortably beaten by Galway who were themselves easily beaten in the championship...
Do you really believe that Derry will win?
I do and it is that cockiness that will be Dublin's downfall.
no team can afford to be cocky/complacent
Derry and Dublin are both capable of winning (though Derry are eminently capable of losing too whenever the wind blows in a different direction - see lonford last year!)
Dublin will recall a similar cockiness last season before the mayo game...
Long time dead...Please tell me what cockiness are you talking about????
I think it will be a close game, but Dublin to win by 2 pts.
I'd say Dublin by 5, but I wouldnt want to be cocky ;)
Dublin are as cocky as a very cocky c**k who has just had a feed of cockles on top of a haycock.
Or, alternatively, Dublin are as cocky as the cockiest of cocky cocks at the cocky cocks world championships, which has just had the farmer's c**k right up its arse!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2007, 03:40:10 PM
Or, alternatively, Dublin are as cocky as the cockiest of cocky cocks at the cocky cocks world championships, which has just had the farmer's c**k right up its arse!
:-X
classy
:o
:D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 08, 2007, 03:40:10 PM
Or, alternatively, Dublin are as cocky as the cockiest of cocky cocks at the cocky cocks world championships, which has just had the farmer's c**k right up its arse!
Ah we are cockier than that!
QuoteDo you really believe that Derry will win?
Certainly do! We wouldn't have gotten this far if we didn't have the talent to beat Dublin. Whether we carry it through or not is a different story. As I have said before on our day we are capable of beating
anyone, whether we do or not is a different story. Same to be true of Dublin, on their best day they are capable of beating Kerry, would it happen? Probably not but that's the beauty of the game.
At the end of the day even you would have to admit that the match is by no means a foregone conclusion and that Derry do have the potential to cause an upset.
Hill 16 is Derry only
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
QuoteDo you really believe that Derry will win?
Certainly do! We wouldn't have gotten this far if we didn't have the talent to beat Dublin. Whether we carry it through or not is a different story. As I have said before on our day we are capable of beating anyone, whether we do or not is a different story. Same to be true of Dublin, on their best day they are capable of beating Kerry, would it happen? Probably not but that's the beauty of the game.
At the end of the day even you would have to admit that the match is by no means a foregone conclusion and that Derry do have the potential to cause an upset.
Derry and their performances have been upsetting me for decades now!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 08, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 08, 2007, 02:50:19 PM
Yeah you beat them by a solitary point.. hardly a case for sayin that you are much better than us!
QuoteYou beat an Armagh team that is seriously weaker compared to 02/03 and a Mayo team weaker than last years team....
I'll give you that Armagh were weaker but they were still a decent team. As for Mayo being a weaker team? How do you figure that one? 13 Players that figured against Kerry in the AIF played against Derry. AFAIK they were only missing the 2 corner backs whilst Nallen and Gardiner were both on the subs bench and not used.
Where did I say we are much better than you??? I said I am confident we will be victorious....
Armagh still a decent team yes but still a lot weaker than they had been with McGeeney/McGrane/Marsden/McConville etc being far worse for example and also losing Bellew/Clarke etc took an awful lot out of them...their loss to Donegal have been proven to be a poor enough team
McDonald was a shadow of the player last year due to injury, McGarrity also out as well as their best defender in Higgins...they had been comfortably beaten by Galway who were themselves easily beaten in the championship...
Do you really believe that Derry will win?
i would rate kevin mc guckin and enda muldoon as better players than these two
Couldnt agree with you more southderry. valid point
I would honestly love to see Derry win this one but I just can't see it.
They have the defenders capable of closing out Dublin's key men but around the "middle third" they just don't, I think, have the mobility or the ability to deliver enough quality ball to cause Dublin's rearguard significant problems. The half forward line has been a major issue for years and there's nothing I can see which has resolved that. Realistically they have beaten Antrim, an aging Armagh, a "transitional" Mayo and Laois who Dublin have wiped the floor with already. The one half decent team they have faced in Monaghan wiped the floor with them.
Like I say I hope I'm wrong but that's the way I see it.They have learnt a lot from the Monaghan game but still Dublin by 5.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
I would honestly love to see Derry win this one but I just can't see it.
They have the defenders capable of closing out Dublin's key men but around the "middle third" they just don't, I think, have the mobility or the ability to deliver enough quality ball to cause Dublin's rearguard significant problems. The half forward line has been a major issue for years and there's nothing I can see which has resolved that. Realistically they have beaten Antrim, an aging Armagh, a "transitional" Mayo and Laois who Dublin have wiped the floor with already. The one half decent team they have faced in Monaghan wiped the floor with them.
Like I say I hope I'm wrong but that's the way I see it.They have learnt a lot from the Monaghan game but still Dublin by 5.
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
Does any one no if any media links that will be covering this game on the day for someone outside of ireland?
i cant see it being as big a margin as that.
really derry's half forward line of lynch murphy and muldoon (with gilligan pulling out too) had been perfroming quite well, my main concern with them is that all 4 lack genuine pace and this was badly exposed for laois's first goal when one wing half back ran half the length of the pitch to set up the goal for the other WHB
i hope that the derry forwards can work hard to stop dublin getting out so easily (colin devlin is great at this, he turned over a lot of ball against laois but paddy bradley leaves alot to be desired in this area) and prevent the dublin half backs getting a run on their derry counterparts.
i feel that our defence is strong enough to cope with dublin man for man, and if we can stick with them going into the last 15mins we have a real chance. i dont like skinner at all, but the more i think about the more this game seems tailor made for him to make a significant impact in the closing stages.
Responses like Gnevin's are the main reason I would really love to see Derry beat Dublin too!
There is a difference between turning the very small physically light Laois defenders over especially when they have no targets up front to kick the ball to and the Dublin defenders....They will also have a far harder time winning the ball and will be getting less quality ball than they did against Laois....
Laois still scored 2-11 against such a strong Derry defence and caused problems anytime they put a high ball into the full back line....which admittedly wasn't many times...and I would rate the Dublin forwards as a better forward line...
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
Have you been drinking son? Dublin v Laois was some of the sloppiest football played ive ever witnessed. Bring on saturday and we'll see who's on what level.
There is a difference between turning the very small physically light Laois defenders over especially when they have no targets up front to kick the ball to and the Dublin defenders....They will also have a far harder time winning the ball and will be getting less quality ball than they did against Laois....
Laois still scored 2-11 against such a strong Derry defence and caused problems anytime they put a high ball into the full back line....which admittedly wasn't many times...and I would rate the Dublin forwards as a better forward line...
Have you been drinking as well!?
Street Fighter
Glad to see you can put some back-up to your theories!!!!
I think the result on saturday should clear this issue up. I have no doubt that dublin have a good forward line but i wouldnt say better. On their day both teams have a great forward lines with doire relying on bradleys frees and dublin relying on Vaughans, although i rate bradely as a better footballer and muldoon should he be deployed in the ff line. i cant comment on colin devlin although i hope he rises to the challenge. all in all, think it will be a deadly match which will be won by the best forward line.
There's no question about it - we're up against it on Saturday. A lot of people say the Dubs are hyped up to the hilt and not as good as they're made out to be. Yes, they're hyped up... but beneath all the bravado lies an excellent football team (albeit with a few weak areas), and they are more than capable of lifting Sam this year.
In the past few years I've watched some fairly dismal Derry performances (we all know the games i'm talking about). At various times I've wondered (and worried) about how we would fare against a team like Dublin in full flow at Croke Park come the business end of the Championship. Dublin especially, because they have what hurts us most, a pacy, potent attack; not to mention movement all over the pitch. Get off to a bad start and I can't see a way back for us.
However, despite these concerns I want to dwell on the positives we have in the build-up to this game. We are on as good a roll as we have been probably since 2001 when we could almost smell an All-Ireland appearance. The players are stepping up to the challenge. They've been strong and resolute when the backs have been up against the wall (Armagh, 2nd half v Mayo, 3 separate occasions against Laois). A hunger and desire to win games has been shown when other (recent) Derry teams would have folded. I believe we can win on Saturday. I don't have us as favourites (though 2/1 would be a lot closer to the real match up than 3/1), but we have the ability to hurt Dublin.
When Derry is mentioned, most journalists/pundits bring out the generic line about Muldoon and Bradley. But for me, Derry's greatest asset is their defence - especially the full-back line. Great defensive performances have laid the foundation for the qualifier victories. Dublin's key strength IMO is their full-forward line, with Keaney their most important and effective player. Derry can stifle them. Liam Hayes talks about Derry's A B and C, and while we should take what the Meath man has to say with a pinch of salt, he hasn't reckoned for a Derry defence that contains Kevin McGuckin and Michael McGoldrick, two excellent man-markers (along with Lockhart). Kevin McCloy's performance is vital to the defensive performance as a whole; it gives the team (and fans) a huge lift when he comes ploughing out of defence with the ball safely in his hands. However, Derry can't let him get dragged out to the wing positions. We've saw some full-back lines struggle when this has happened this season, namely Fay against Meehan of Galway, and Sheehan's goal for Laois against Derry came as a result of McCloy having been pulled out to pick up Donie Brennan on the wing. Another solid Derry defensive display can set us up for another victory.
Then it's up to the midfield and forwards to do the business at the other end of the field. We need more movement up here I feel. Our forward line has still looked fairly static in recent games, but Devlin has given us an extra dimension. He works tirelessly and is a headache for corner-backs, as well as giving us the freedom to play Muldoon elsewhere. Bradley needs to start making more runs, Lynch and Murphy have excelled in space in the past 2 games - we can't afford our attacks to hit a brick wall on the '40. Eoin Bradley is certainly a valuable option to have sitting on the bench. I can see him replacing Murphy who may only be fit for a good 40-45 mins. How fit Bradley is I don't know, nor do I know where the best place is to play him - probably the half-forward line.
The midfield conundrum speaks for itself (i.e. it's vital!). Shane Ryan is by far the most effective of Dublin's midfield pairing. Whelan goes missing during games (sometimes for a whole half!), but Ryan generally remains constant. He will run from one wing to the other to pick up Cluxton's generally accurate kick-outs. A quick pass to Cullen and Dublin are about to launch their attack. This is where it must be stopped, Gilligan and Lycnh need to work back tirelessly, with Murphy remaining on the 40' as much as possible to give Cullen someone to mark.
We can discuss player positions and tactics all day long only to see one team come out and win convincingly. I'm sure Crozier knows Dublin well enough to target their weak areas which could be key to any designs for a Derry victory. As I said at the outset, Derry have their weaknesses, and any supporters who know Derry well have seen enough inept performances to fuel various nightmares about the outcome of Saturday's game. But it is important that Derry come out full of confidence - knowing they can win; expecting to win (like v Tyrone in Healy Park, and v Armagh last month). If we can 'get into' Dublin right from the off and prevent them from building up this much-vaunted 'head of steam' we have the talent to win the game. Here's hoping!
on an overall basis i would rate dublin's forward line higher but i would feel individually in terms of raw natural talent bradley and mulddon are a cut above our forwards- the problem for derry is that i don't see what their other forwards are going to do. Hayes is right if i were dublin i would put 2 men on bradley because he has to have a massive game for derry to win.
Does any derry fan believe they'll win if bradley underperforms. of course they don't.
i do.
I now pronounce you man and wife. You may kick the bride.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
Responses like Gnevin's are the main reason I would really love to see Derry beat Dublin too!
Stop talking crap if you hate the dubs just say it you'll fit right in. In the last 3 years
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled .
Byt i guess none of that counts as a other level?
edit: Derrys appearance this year
or just point her up the top of the stairs whilst you go out on a bender.
My fear for the dubs this weekend is they will come up against a harder man than they have encountered all season. I believe that its Paddy Bradleys turn to win that all star long denied to him. I also believe that the Dubs over celebrated their Leinster final victory both on and off the field. Derry have too much self respect to let that happen again. Its a symbolic year for derry football and I fulyl expect them to humble the mighty dubs by about 8 points.
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 0
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled .
Assuming you are talking about 2004-5-6. Derry have both quarter-final and a semi-final appearance
As i have said before, peopel cannot honest look at Derry and call them a better team, they lost to Monaghan, beat what appears to be a spent Armagh team and struggled to beat a poor Laois team. Yes they will give Dublin a tough test but i think it is only fair to say that the Dubs would be well fancied fav's to win.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
I am beginning to understand why laoislad and the rest wind you up constantly, and it's not just because you're a muppet ;)
It's also because you don't really have much of a clue about what you're talking about most of the time, if you could justify that ridiculous statement above I might have a little more respect for you, but unfortunately you can't, you can twist the stats whatever way you like (although as fer fox ache pointed out, you can't even do that accurately), but, that won't make it true.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 08, 2007, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
I am beginning to understand why laoislad and the rest wind you up constantly, and it's not just because you're a muppet ;)
It's also because you don't really have much of a clue about what you're talking about most of the time, if you could justify that ridiculous statement above I might have a little more respect for you, but unfortunately you can't, you can twist the stats whatever way you like (although as fer fox ache pointed out, you can't even do that accurately), but, that won't make it true.
How is 3 Leinster's in a row twisting facts?
How is Dublin being a more consistent team twisting facts?
How is Dublin being a team which is improving verus Derry being a dark horse twisting facts?
How is Dublin's handy win over Laois versus Derry's good but more laboured performance against Laois twisting facts?
In most peoples book Dublin where in the top 4/5 for sam this year and would now be in the top 2, Derry have come from no where
Dublin are simply in my opinion a level above Derry.
Quote from: fer fox ache on August 08, 2007, 08:01:12 PM
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 0
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled.
Assuming you are talking about 2004-5-6. Derry have both quarter-final and a semi-final appearance
You'd think when you where pointing out people mistake's you'd get it right yourself . Dublin didn't win a Leinster in 04 , so i could hardly be talking about that
I was talking about 05,06,07 which of course gives Derry 1 1/4 final appearance .
This all sounds so familiar. Last year it was the 2 leinsters in a row, a more consistent team which is improving, struggling to beat an ageing galway team, dublins handy win over laois versus mayos more laboured(actually I think it was worse then that) performance against laois.
will ye ever learn
Quote from: criostlinn on August 08, 2007, 10:08:43 PM
This all sounds so familiar. Last year it was the 2 leinsters in a row, a more consistent team which is improving, struggling to beat an ageing galway team, dublins handy win over laois versus mayos more laboured(actually I think it was worse then that) performance against laois.
will ye ever learn
A total Dublin self implosion and total freak result and we where still 1 kick of a ball from a replay . The team has learnt from that and moved on this year . I dont know how anyone can claim a team which has won 3 provincial titles in 3 is not a level above a team that hasnt won one ?
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
Responses like Gnevin's are the main reason I would really love to see Derry beat Dublin too!
Stop talking crap if you hate the dubs just say it you'll fit right in. In the last 3 years
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0 Leinster Titles. Derry aint in Leinster so they cant win them
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1 Yes because they won Leinster Titles
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0 Again by only beating a team from Leinster to reach it.
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled . As above. Re Laois and Mayo last year
Byt i guess none of that counts as a other level? The only thing you did get right
edit: Derrys appearance this year
Dublin havent bet a team outside leinster in the last three years. What makes you so sure this year will be any different
Because liam hayes says they will
"In most peoples book Dublin where in the top 4/5 for sam this year and would now be in the top 2, Derry have come from no where
Dublin are simply in my opinion a level above Derry."
Only in the top two because derry have bet two of the others
Quote from: criostlinn on August 08, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
Responses like Gnevin's are the main reason I would really love to see Derry beat Dublin too!
Stop talking crap if you hate the dubs just say it you'll fit right in. In the last 3 years
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0 Leinster Titles. Derry aint in Leinster so they cant win them
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1 Yes because they won Leinster Titles
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0 Again by only beating a team from Leinster to reach it.
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled . As above. Re Laois and Mayo last year
Byt i guess none of that counts as a other level? The only thing you did get right
edit: Derrys appearance this year
Dublin havent bet a team outside leinster in the last three years. What makes you so sure this year will be any different
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0
Leinster Titles. Derry ain't in Leinster so they cant win them f**k when did this happen? Jesus that news to me ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) .
Aren't they in a little small competition call the Ulster something or other?
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1
Yes because they won Leinster Titles So that's how it happens though it was when a man loves a women very very much ............. ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'm not so sure i think Derry will very much put it up to the Dub should be able to see them off
Criostlinn i think i found a picture of you .
(http://www.healthbolt.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/obvious.jpg)
GNevin I fail to see your argument with Dublin have won 3 provincials in a row so are therefore a level above Derry.
The dubs beat laois in the final who derry beat so derry would pretty much beat everything in leinster.
Last year Kerry didn't win their provincial Dublin did so were Kerry last year a level below Dublin?
Tyrone won 2 all ireladns in 3 years. In this time they won 1 ulster. In provincial terms it pales compared to dublin so would dublin be a step above them?
I think Dublin will beat Derry but I think your opinion that Dublin are a league above because they have 3 provincials in 3 isn't much of an argument. Ulster is a minefield. Dublin against Meath is the only real tough derby game dublin get. They needed a replay to come through it this year too. Imagine every game was like that. That is what ulster is like. Leinster is a stroll in the park in comparison. You read about the lessons Dublin have learnt and they're from an ulster team - tyrone. The year they got that lesson tyrone didn't win ulster. Provincial titles mean jack shit at this stage.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
GNevin I fail to see your argument with Dublin have won 3 provincials in a row so are therefore a level above Derry.
The dubs beat laois in the final who derry beat so derry would pretty much beat everything in leinster.
but wait Dublin beat Meath who beat Tyrone so Dublin would pretty much beat everything in Ulster .........
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
Last year Kerry didn't win their provincial Dublin did so were Kerry last year a level below Dublin?
Tyrone won 2 all ireladns in 3 years. In this time they won 1 ulster. In provincial terms it pales compared to dublin so would dublin be a step above them?
I think Dublin will beat Derry but I think your opinion that Dublin are a league above because they have 3 provincials in 3 isn't much of an argument. Ulster is a minefield. Dublin against Meath is the only real tough derby game dublin get. They needed a replay to come through it this year too. Imagine every game was like that. That is what ulster is like. Leinster is a stroll in the park in comparison. You read about the lessons Dublin have learnt and they're from an ulster team - tyrone. The year they got that lesson tyrone didn't win ulster. Provincial titles mean jack shit at this stage.
I'm not saying that the 3 in a row or provincal titles are the be all and end all or even good at indicting of form/class or on its own put Dublin on a other level (note level not league) , its the overall package of where Dublin have been in the last 3 years V Derry.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
GNevin I fail to see your argument with Dublin have won 3 provincials in a row so are therefore a level above Derry.
The dubs beat laois in the final who derry beat so derry would pretty much beat everything in leinster.
but wait Dublin beat Meath who beat Tyrone so Dublin would pretty much beat everything in Ulster .........
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
Last year Kerry didn't win their provincial Dublin did so were Kerry last year a level below Dublin?
Tyrone won 2 all ireladns in 3 years. In this time they won 1 ulster. In provincial terms it pales compared to dublin so would dublin be a step above them?
I think Dublin will beat Derry but I think your opinion that Dublin are a league above because they have 3 provincials in 3 isn't much of an argument. Ulster is a minefield. Dublin against Meath is the only real tough derby game dublin get. They needed a replay to come through it this year too. Imagine every game was like that. That is what ulster is like. Leinster is a stroll in the park in comparison. You read about the lessons Dublin have learnt and they're from an ulster team - tyrone. The year they got that lesson tyrone didn't win ulster. Provincial titles mean jack shit at this stage.
I'm not saying that the 3 in a row or provincal titles are the be all and end all or even good at indicting of form/class on its own put Dublin on a other level (note level not league) , its the overall package of where Dublin have been in the last 3 years V Derry.
Oh for the love of jesus.
And me thinking it was finally sinking in. You even went to find me a nice picture to highlight it.
What is this overall package. Ill say it again dublin have not bet anyone outside leinster in the last 3 years.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 08, 2007, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
GNevin I fail to see your argument with Dublin have won 3 provincials in a row so are therefore a level above Derry.
The dubs beat laois in the final who derry beat so derry would pretty much beat everything in leinster.
but wait Dublin beat Meath who beat Tyrone so Dublin would pretty much beat everything in Ulster .........
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
Last year Kerry didn't win their provincial Dublin did so were Kerry last year a level below Dublin?
Tyrone won 2 all ireladns in 3 years. In this time they won 1 ulster. In provincial terms it pales compared to dublin so would dublin be a step above them?
I think Dublin will beat Derry but I think your opinion that Dublin are a league above because they have 3 provincials in 3 isn't much of an argument. Ulster is a minefield. Dublin against Meath is the only real tough derby game dublin get. They needed a replay to come through it this year too. Imagine every game was like that. That is what ulster is like. Leinster is a stroll in the park in comparison. You read about the lessons Dublin have learnt and they're from an ulster team - tyrone. The year they got that lesson tyrone didn't win ulster. Provincial titles mean jack shit at this stage.
I'm not saying that the 3 in a row or provincal titles are the be all and end all or even good at indicting of form/class on its own put Dublin on a other level (note level not league) , its the overall package of where Dublin have been in the last 3 years V Derry.
Oh for the love of jesus.
And me thinking it was finally sinking in. You even went to find me a nice picture to highlight it.
What is this overall package. Ill say it again dublin have not bet anyone outside leinster in the last 3 years.
Yet a other reach into the bag obvious! Is their no end to it ?
And the overall package is ???
I think it a good thing Christ is with you criostlinn, otherwise you've have gone into meltdown by now ;)
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 10:46:48 PMI'm not saying that the 3 in a row or provincal titles are the be all and end all or even good at indicting of form/class or on its own put Dublin on a other level (note level not league) , its the overall package of where Dublin have been in the last 3 years V Derry.
Rowing back a wee bit are we? Now, funny that you should bring up that word 'League', I didn't want to be the person bringing it up, but, what division are Dublin in as of next February?
dublin still have alot to prove and thats even if they beat derry,fact is they have not beat any of the top teams with this 3 in a row team and you can argue all day "we beat them by more than you" crap but bottom line the dubs have shit the nest when it really matters.
Ah well....Derry have been knocked out by Leinster teams in 05/06 so Dublin might as well keep the tradition in 07!!!!! How this has happened as Derry are better than Leinster teams I don't know!!!
Its simple lads. as previously pointed out ulster football is more of a mindfield. provinicial titles have meant nothing other than bragging rights since the back door has been introduced. the best team will win on sinday and they are both good teams. am very worried by the massive support the dubs have plus the refs decisions though.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on August 09, 2007, 09:12:54 AM
Its simple lads. as previously pointed out ulster football is more of a mindfield. provinicial titles have meant nothing other than bragging rights since the back door has been introduced. the best team will win on sinday and they are both good teams. am very worried by the massive support the dubs have plus the refs decisions though.
Tell that to sligo
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 09, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
dublin still have alot to prove and thats even if they beat derry,fact is they have not beat any of the top teams with this 3 in a row team and you can argue all day "we beat them by more than you" crap but bottom line the dubs have shit the nest when it really matters.
I'm not saying anthing about Dublin, but surely the "top 3" you are referring to has been well and truly done away with.
Never mind Armagh, even Tyrone cannot see themselves in this group anymore!
i dont want to talk about teams that are no longer in contention gnevin. but answer me this- Would sligo trade their provincial title to be in the semi's!?- honest answer required
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on August 09, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
i dont want to talk about teams that are no longer in contention gnevin. but answer me this- Would sligo trade their provincial title to be in the semi's!?- honest answer required
Streetfighter...
No - I don't think they would.....
I am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on August 09, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
i dont want to talk about teams that are no longer in contention gnevin. but answer me this- Would sligo trade their provincial title to be in the semi's!?- honest answer required
Streetfighter...
No - I don't think they would.....
I am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
What he said
lads if dublin dont win leinster 08 and go on to win the all-ireland there wouldnt be a peep out of ye's. An all ireland title is an all ireland title regardless of who hold's the provincial. and sligo would defo trade it. sure they have they easy side of the draw
QuoteI am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
What county doesn't try and win their Provincial cship??? It's the easiest route to an All Ireland so obviously most teams try and do this.
I think the point that SF is trying to make is that you would trade your provincial cship to make it into the semi finals of the AI with a chance for the big prize... it would be stupid not to!
How are tickets in Derry - did the clubs get a big enough allocation ? Any complaints about tickets ( apart from the fact that Dublin could have sold 200,000 on their own ) ?
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 09, 2007, 09:20:29 AM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 09, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
dublin still have alot to prove and thats even if they beat derry,fact is they have not beat any of the top teams with this 3 in a row team and you can argue all day "we beat them by more than you" crap but bottom line the dubs have shit the nest when it really matters.
I'm not saying anthing about Dublin, but surely the "top 3" you are referring to has been well and truly done away with.
Never mind Armagh, even Tyrone cannot see themselves in this group anymore!
read my post,i said top teams,meaning who ever go on to contest the final
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
QuoteI am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
What county doesn't try and win their Provincial cship??? It's the easiest route to an All Ireland so obviously most teams try and do this.
I think the point that SF is trying to make is that you would trade your provincial cship to make it into the semi finals of the AI with a chance for the big prize... it would be stupid not to!
But surely that logic could be applied to the championship even before the back door , who won't give up the smaller prise for a crack at the big one?
Have a spare ticket for the match if anyone needs one send me a PM.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
QuoteI am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
What county doesn't try and win their Provincial cship??? It's the easiest route to an All Ireland so obviously most teams try and do this.
I think the point that SF is trying to make is that you would trade your provincial cship to make it into the semi finals of the AI with a chance for the big prize... it would be stupid not to!
But surely that logic could be applied to the championship even before the back door , who won't give up the smaller prise for a crack at the big one?
I really don't understand that statement Gnevin. Btw, still waiting for an answer on what NFL division Dublin (a level or probably 2 ahead of Derry)are in.
As for Sligo, I reckon they are happier with the provincial than a semi-final place, but who knows. For Derry it's not so simple, I honestly believe that winning a provincial means nothing more than a guaranteed quarter final place, as I'm sure do the Dubs at this stage.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 09, 2007, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
QuoteI am glad that Dublin have hte approach that if your looking to win the All-Ireland you should look to be the best in your own province first....
What county doesn't try and win their Provincial cship??? It's the easiest route to an All Ireland so obviously most teams try and do this.
I think the point that SF is trying to make is that you would trade your provincial cship to make it into the semi finals of the AI with a chance for the big prize... it would be stupid not to!
But surely that logic could be applied to the championship even before the back door , who won't give up the smaller prise for a crack at the big one?
I really don't understand that statement Gnevin. Btw, still waiting for an answer on what NFL division Dublin (a level or probably 2 ahead of Derry)are in.
As for Sligo, I reckon they are happier with the provincial than a semi-final place, but who knows. For Derry it's not so simple, I honestly believe that winning a provincial means nothing more than a guaranteed quarter final place, as I'm sure do the Dubs at this stage.
look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_%28Ireland%29
Wouldn't be yourself there Gnevin who's contributed to that wikipedia article now, would it? ;)
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Division Placings for 2008 Season
Division 1
Mayo | Donegal | Laois | Kerry | Derry | Kildare | Tyrone | Galway
Division 2
Armagh | Dublin | Cork | Westmeath | Monaghan | Roscommon | Cavan | Meath
Division 3
Limerick | Fermanagh | Louth | Down | Longford | Leitrim | Wexford | Sligo
Division 4
Antrim | Offaly | Clare | Carlow | London | Tipperary | Waterford | Wicklow
All this talk about which province is better or which team from which province is best is pure nonsense.
Who knows and who cares more to the point.
Put it to bed for once and for all....provincial champs best in province. Trying to compare provinces is pointless. The only thing that kind of gauges this is the railway cup when the best players from each province play each other. But who really cares which province is better? Surely all that matters is where your own county stands in the All-Ireland race? Of course it's important to win the provicinial but the overall goal for any team that does is to win the All-Ireland. Ask Armagh if they would trade all their Ulster titles for another SAM and I bet they would. Same for Dublin, if given the choice of trading their 3 Leinsters in a row for an all-ireland title I bet they would. So boasting about winning provincials is just trying to take attention away from the fact that no all-ireland has followed.
At the end of the day it comes down to who wins a particular match and every team wants to win the all-ireland whether they are provincial champs or not.
Derry v Dublin has the potential to be a classic but only if Derry have their heads straight for the game.
Derry at their best playing Dublin at their best I think there wouldnt be any more than the kick of a ball between the two.
I think Derry can do it, I hope Derry can do it, but I've been to enough football to know to expect only one thing...you never know what will happen on the day. Dublin could stuff us. We could stuff Dublin. It could be a draw. Would any of these result surprise anyone?
So for Saturday I go to the game in hope...and who knows what else will happen.
well scripted tbrick. a good and fair analysis
QuoteI think Derry can do it, I hope Derry can do it, but I've been to enough football to know to expect only one thing...you never know what will happen on the day. Dublin could stuff us. We could stuff Dublin. It could be a draw. Would any of these result surprise anyone?
Derry will not stuff Dublin...you should know that....when was the last time we stuff a team of decent quality
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2007, 10:21:48 AM
Wouldn't be yourself there Gnevin who's contributed to that wikipedia article now, would it? ;)
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Yeah its me , here a list of my crimes :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gnevin
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2007, 10:23:26 AM
Division Placings for 2008 Season
Division 1
Mayo | Donegal | Laois | Kerry | Derry | Kildare | Tyrone | Galway
Division 2
Armagh | Dublin | Cork | Westmeath | Monaghan | Roscommon | Cavan | Meath
Division 3
Limerick | Fermanagh | Louth | Down | Longford | Leitrim | Wexford | Sligo
Division 4
Antrim | Offaly | Clare | Carlow | London | Tipperary | Waterford | Wicklow
Teams most likely too me in the AI Semi
Really looking forward to the game at this stage. I think Derry's best chances of beating the Dub's lie in the following (may be easier said than done mind you);
1. Good use of the bench; in Eoin Bradley we have a lethal forward option and score-getter. Use him early enough if necessary, no point putting him in with 8 mins to go. Same for big Joe Diver. If Kevin McGuckin does not start he should be a very steadying influence too when called upon.
2. Quick ball into the forwards; Less tipping and going across the pitch, all players should be capable of leaving a good 40 yard kick pass into the forwards.
3. Put the odd high ball in to test the full-back McConnell. He is still relatively unexperienced at this level.
4. Have a kick-out strategy, Gillis should not just hit the ball as far as he can every time to the same area. Too predictable, vary the thing and keep the Dub's guessing. Aim a few towards Muldoon's wing, we saw against Laois how good he is in the air.
5. Derry are renowned for being a big, strong, physical team, let's bring this to the fore. Get the hits in, hard and fair and dont stand back and admire their forwards. We are there on merit and should not be intimidated. if the dub's race into a few points lead early on, dont panic, just slow it down until we settle and let our own football do the talking. Confidence in our own ability is paramount!!
Only a few pointers IMHO. The referee could have a big bearing on how the game pans out too, lets hope he is not overly picky and lets the game flow, as opposed to ticking players at every free and holding things up. This takes away the advantage of a quick free and allows the opposition to get back in numbers. >:(
May the best team win! :)
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2007, 10:23:26 AM
Division Placings for 2008 Season
Division 1
Mayo | Donegal | Laois | Kerry | Derry | Kildare | Tyrone | Galway
Division 2
Armagh | Dublin | Cork | Westmeath | Monaghan | Roscommon | Cavan | Meath
Division 3
Limerick | Fermanagh | Louth | Down | Longford | Leitrim | Wexford | Sligo
Division 4
Antrim | Offaly | Clare | Carlow | London | Tipperary | Waterford | Wicklow
Teams most likely too me in the AI Semi
and the winner most likely to come from div 1
Div 1A/1B were not comparable in quality this year and that is why the split occurred as it has....
Div 1A provided both finalists Donegal/Mayo in the league who both took it more seriously.
Div 1A has provided 1 semi-finalist in Cork and would be expected to provide 2 more in Dublin/Kerry with Div 1B possibly only providing 1 semi-finalist at most....
So obviously teams in Div 1A had a far harder time getting in the top 4 than in 1B....
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled .
I know folk all back up their own counties but to make statitistical cases for it is really daft imo. There are a couple of folks on here who will pinpoint a result based on their own pure perspective I cant see how this makes sense.
Football is on the day and history means nothing. Clare v Kerry in 1992 (or was it 1993), that whole Meath, Kerry , Galway saga in the late 90's/early 00's when Kerry collapsed v meath who then fell asunder and lost to Galway, or Cork beating Mayo by 30 points in the all Ireland semi final 1993 only to lose the final by two points.
You cant read into the last games and even results between the games. It can help pinpoint in form players or show managers where potential weak points might be, but thats it.
Cork were savaged by Kieran donaghy in last years AI semi final, so this years munster final he was marked out of the game by Canty and Cork imo should have won the match.
This kind of soothsaying is best left to some of those idiotic soccer fans who beleive that their teams success in european cup final is dictated by heavens and written in the stars - if the year ends in a 3, if the monarchy lose a family member, if a cartoon character has a song reach the top of the charts and so on etc etc etc - a load of b*lls.
Whichever team hits form and manages to get going and maintain it will win. Refs have a huge bearing in such big games - lets hope the man is up to it.
QuoteRefs have a huge bearing in such big games
Too f><kin true; think Brian White of Wexford! :'( :'(
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled .
I know folk all back up their own counties but to make statitistical cases for it is really daft imo. There are a couple of folks on here who will pinpoint a result based on their own pure perspective I cant see how this makes sense.
Football is on the day and history means nothing. Clare v Kerry in 1992 (or was it 1993), that whole Meath, Kerry , Galway saga in the late 90's/early 00's when Kerry collapsed v meath who then fell asunder and lost to Galway, or Cork beating Mayo by 30 points in the all Ireland semi final 1993 only to lose the final by two points.
You cant read into the last games and even results between the games. It can help pinpoint in form players or show managers where potential weak points might be, but thats it.
Cork were savaged by Kieran donaghy in last years AI semi final, so this years munster final he was marked out of the game by Canty and Cork imo should have won the match.
This kind of soothsaying is best left to some of those idiotic soccer fans who beleive that their teams success in european cup final is dictated by heavens and written in the stars - if the year ends in a 3, if the monarchy lose a family member, if a cartoon character has a song reach the top of the charts and so on etc etc etc - a load of b*lls.
Whichever team hits form and manages to get going and maintain it will win. Refs have a huge bearing in such big games - lets hope the man is up to it.
I dont think you can write of form all together while on their day most in the top 16 could pull off a shock ,generally its the form teams the goes forward.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
Dublin have 3 provincial titles to Derrys 0
Dublin have 3 AI 1/4 finals to Derrys 1
Dublin have 1 AI 1/2 final to Derrys 0
Dublin well beat Laois scoring 3-14 and up to the last 5 minutes where 8 points up ,Derry Score 1-18 and conceded 2- 11. Dublin had Laois well beat by the 40th minute Derry struggled .
I know folk all back up their own counties but to make statitistical cases for it is really daft imo. There are a couple of folks on here who will pinpoint a result based on their own pure perspective I cant see how this makes sense.
Football is on the day and history means nothing. Clare v Kerry in 1992 (or was it 1993), that whole Meath, Kerry , Galway saga in the late 90's/early 00's when Kerry collapsed v meath who then fell asunder and lost to Galway, or Cork beating Mayo by 30 points in the all Ireland semi final 1993 only to lose the final by two points.
You cant read into the last games and even results between the games. It can help pinpoint in form players or show managers where potential weak points might be, but thats it.
Cork were savaged by Kieran donaghy in last years AI semi final, so this years munster final he was marked out of the game by Canty and Cork imo should have won the match.
This kind of soothsaying is best left to some of those idiotic soccer fans who beleive that their teams success in european cup final is dictated by heavens and written in the stars - if the year ends in a 3, if the monarchy lose a family member, if a cartoon character has a song reach the top of the charts and so on etc etc etc - a load of b*lls.
Whichever team hits form and manages to get going and maintain it will win. Refs have a huge bearing in such big games - lets hope the man is up to it.
I dont think you can write of form all together while on their day most in the top 16 could pull off a shock ,generally its the form teams the goes forward.
if that were the case then Dublin and Kerry are fecked after long lay offs
but I dont agree with that sentiment
form on the day is the clincher.
All teams and I mean ALL - have at least one bad game a season - for no apparent reason.
If this is identified early on , that the team cant score for peanuts , that they wont catch a ball in midfield (and I dont mean that they are being outclassed by their opponents) , then team formation can be adjusted to cope. Its not easy though.
Id take Dublin playing brilliantly all season, but having that bad day out - this saturday, and for all Derry's carp play v antrim, monaghan, and improvement since - they could still win (by Dublin just not getting going, by Derry hitting complete form for a change before falling flat on their faces next day out - or the ref destroying the game and awarding derry loads of frees as he is a culchie dub hater).
Wont know or be able to tell you until 4.30 sat !
:)
Lynchboy
We had that bad day out against Offaly already and the ref tried to screw us in that game also... ;D
I think most of the Dublin cockiness (2 levels ahead of Derry etc.) comes from the fact that they believe that their forward line is capable of winning this match by itself (it can't be their defence). This is fair enough as they are blessed with one or two of the top, in-form forwards in the country (Brogan, Keaney). They forget however, that they are up against an excellent Derry defence (well, full-back line anyway). Most Dubs probably haven't even heard of Michael McGoldrick for example. They just expect their team to go out and do the business. Derry haven't even won Ulster in 9 years so what threat could they possibly be?
Reading that Shane Ryan article on another thread, it said that Dublin beat Tyrone in Healy Park (NFL, 2006) and that "nobody beats Tyrone in Healy Park". It forgets to mention of course that Derry beat Tyrone there last year by 6 points (in a Championship match). What I'm trying to say is that many Dublin fans/pundits/media etc. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
I've yet to see anyone dismiss Derry most have Derry could beat Dublin but Dublin should be stronger? Show me where someone has say Derry have no chance?
Dublin are as cocky as a brothelful of Roman warriors just back from a tortuous expedition to Alexandra!
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
I think most of the Dublin cockiness (2 levels ahead of Derry etc.) comes from the fact that they believe that their forward line is capable of winning this match by itself (it can't be their defence). This is fair enough as they are blessed with one or two of the top, in-form forwards in the country (Brogan, Keaney). They forget however, that they are up against an excellent Derry defence (well, full-back line anyway). Most Dubs probably haven't even heard of Michael McGoldrick for example. They just expect their team to go out and do the business. Derry haven't even won Ulster in 9 years so what threat could they possibly be?
Reading that Shane Ryan article on another thread, it said that Dublin beat Tyrone in Healy Park (NFL, 2006) and that "nobody beats Tyrone in Healy Park". It forgets to mention of course that Derry beat Tyrone there last year by 6 points (in a Championship match). What I'm trying to say is that many Dublin fans/pundits/media etc. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
Will Hunting...
Dublin fans view as to why they are likely to win is that while yes they have Brogan/Keaney they also have Brogan/Vaughan which boosts our scoring power and Vaughan especially is proving deadly with frees/45's etc which we have been missing for the last few years....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench rather than starting....so we have a far stronger attack than last year....
Defensively we also are a bit stronger than last year with McConnell starting to get used to full back....
That Derry defence still struggled when Laois could kick high ball into the forwards which Dublin will do more of...
The view would be that Dublin have more scoring options than Derry, are more mobile around the middle of the field and liable to win more kick-outs etc and also Derry will not be used to the crowd/atmosphere whereas Dublin are...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench
oh good god !
dont start me off !
I'd not be boasting here..! :o
I agree, two very strong defences. Midfield are both very strong/good in different ways.
Derry have better scoring forwards now than when we won the All Ireland in 1993 - when we relied on scores from midfield and half back line.
it will be interesting...
will see if the bad game was the offaly match for Dublin..........
Will Hunting...
Dublin fans view as to why they are likely to win is that while yes they have Brogan/Keaney they also have Brogan/Vaughan which boosts our scoring power and Vaughan especially is proving deadly with frees/45's etc which we have been missing for the last few years....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench rather than starting....so we have a far stronger attack than last year....
Defensively we also are a bit stronger than last year with McConnell starting to get used to full back....
That Derry defence still struggled when Laois could kick high ball into the forwards which Dublin will do more of...
The view would be that Dublin have more scoring options than Derry, are more mobile around the middle of the field and liable to win more kick-outs etc and also Derry will not be used to the crowd/atmosphere whereas Dublin are...
you seem to be totally blinkered. Is there any good footballer's on the derry team? who from the derry team would make the dublin team for example!?
Derry's entire FB line, Doc, Muldoon, Bradley, Kevin McGuckin and going on current form I'd say Paul Murphy as well probably!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench
oh good god !
dont start me off !
I'd not be boasting here..! :o
I agree, two very strong defences. Midfield are both very strong/good in different ways.
Derry have better scoring forwards now than when we won stole the All Ireland in 1993 - when we relied on scores from midfield and half back line.
it will be interesting...
will see if the bad game was the offaly match for Dublin..........
;D
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
I've yet to see anyone dismiss Derry most have Derry could beat Dublin but Dublin should be stronger? Show me where someone has say Derry have no chance?
In fairness Gnevin, I never siad that anyone said Derry had no chance. But i'll show you a few quotes that are fairly dismissive of Derry's chances of winning:
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Gnevin:
"It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above"
"Derry have come from no where
Dublin are simply in my opinion a level above Derry."
Indiana:
"Does any derry fan believe they'll win if bradley underperforms. of course they don't."
"Hayes is right if i were dublin i would put 2 men on bradley because he has to have a massive game for derry to win"
Tankie:
"As i have said before, peopel cannot honest look at Derry and call them a better team, they lost to Monaghan, beat what appears to be a spent Armagh team and struggled to beat a poor Laois team."
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By the way, I hope Dublin do double-mark Bradley as it will play striaght into Derry's hands. We do have other forwards y'know.
DubsforSam1,
Most of what you say (esp. the bit about occassion/atmosphere etc.) is exactly why I would have Dublin favourites for this game. Dublin have an extremely strong attack, but I hope our defence can cope with it. The game against Laois became too open for Derry's liking and in the end Laois scored 2-11 (something similar to what they scored against Dublin). But we were more than capable of outscoring them. However, it is too short-sighted to view one single game. Derry conceded 9 points against Armagh and 1-6 against Mayo (whom Dublin conceded 1-16 against last year). A good defensive performance can provide us with a platform for victory, as Derry then seek to target Dublin's defence.
As for you Street Fighter:
As Screen says, yous would take our whole full-back line: McGuckin, McCloy and Lockhart and yous would be grateful of McGoldrick to replace Cahill. Yeah Paul Murphy, Paddy Bradley, Eoin Bradley and Muldoon also, and maybe even Fergal Doherty. Btw, thanks for illustrating my point about being blinkered!
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
I've yet to see anyone dismiss Derry most have Derry could beat Dublin but Dublin should be stronger? Show me where someone has say Derry have no chance?
In fairness Gnevin, I never siad that anyone said Derry had no chance. But i'll show you a few quotes that are fairly dismissive of Derry's chances of winning:
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Gnevin:
"It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above"
"Derry have come from no where
Dublin are simply in my opinion a level above Derry."
Indiana:
"Does any derry fan believe they'll win if bradley underperforms. of course they don't."
"Hayes is right if i were dublin i would put 2 men on bradley because he has to have a massive game for derry to win"
Tankie:
"As i have said before, peopel cannot honest look at Derry and call them a better team, they lost to Monaghan, beat what appears to be a spent Armagh team and struggled to beat a poor Laois team."
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By the way, I hope Dublin do double-mark Bradley as it will play striaght into Derry's hands. We do have other forwards y'know.
DubsforSam1,
Most of what you say (esp. the bit about occassion/atmosphere etc.) is exactly why I would have Dublin favourites for this game. Dublin have an extremely strong attack, but I hope our defence can cope with it. The game against Laois became too open for Derry's liking and in the end Laois scored 2-11 (something similar to what they scored against Dublin). But we were more than capable of outscoring them. However, it is too short-sighted to view one single game. Derry conceded 9 points against Armagh and 1-6 against Mayo (whom Dublin conceded 1-16 against last year). A good defensive performance can provide us with a platform for victory, as Derry then seek to target Dublin's defence.
As for you Street Fighter:
As Screen says, yous would take our whole full-back line: McGuckin, McCloy and Lockhart and yous would be grateful of McGoldrick to replace Cahill. Yeah Paul Murphy, Paddy Bradley, Eoin Bradley and Muldoon also, and maybe even Fergal Doherty. Btw, thanks for illustrating my point about being blinkered!
Come for f**k sake we sport one of teams playing are you surprised where are leaning toward Dublin .
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench
oh good god !
dont start me off !
I'd not be boasting here..! :o
Lynchboy - if your going to take a quote out you should take the whole quote rather than just a section of it....
we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench (rather than starting this year).....it makes a big difference...
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 03:06:50 PM
Come for f**k sake we sport one of teams playing are you surprised where are leaning toward Dublin .
you lads should see the stick I am getting when down coaching the minors regarding the upcomming game on Sat.
I have the other culchie coaches in knots laughing when I tell the minors that they will have plenty of time for football in the coming weeks as Dublin will no longer be in the Championship ! :D
BTW - Dublin lads will want to watch out for the name 'Cian Mullins'. Hard to figure out just why he is so good, but he hasnt been bettered at midfield this season yet - even against lads 6'4" and 6' 5" - he's only 6' 1" himself. Was left off (disgracefully) the dub u17 dev squad until recently. Scored 0-7 v Cavan and 0-3 v longford (I thjnk it was) in his first two games for the Dubs. Future star if he avoids inj (but he is starting to pick these up due to his physical footballing style - mix of Brian mullins - no relation- and shane ryan).
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 09, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
....we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench
oh good god !
dont start me off !
I'd not be boasting here..! :o
Lynchboy - if your going to take a quote out you should take the whole quote rather than just a section of it....
we then have the likes of Quinn/Bonnar etc now on the bench (rather than starting this year).....it makes a big difference...
jeez man
have you no sense of humour...
:o
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
(but he is starting to pick these up due to his physical footballing style - mix of Brian mullins - no relation- and shane ryan).
Nothing to do with a bitter antidub manager who is just out to ruin Dublin's prospects and plays him in every game? :P
Gnevin, you're allowed to say whatever you want about how superior your team are, just don't try and deny that you've said it. Just don't be surprised when people tell you that you and many of your fellow supporters are arrogant, needlessly in my opinion.
I honestly don't know what way this game will go, I've seen Dublin 3 times this year and they're a decent side, could be a very good side, I don't know. All I know is that these past few years they've been found wanting when it comes to the crunch - they may take a step towards the next level on Saturday, or they may not, but I can assure you that man for man there's not the gulf in class that you seem to think between the teams.
We fancy our chances come saturday, simply because with forwards like Bradley, Muldoon and Devlin and defenders like McGuckin, McCloy, Lockhart, McEldowney, McGoldrick we feel we might be able to keep a handle on the best Dublin attack in years. Our midfield ably abetted by the likes of O'Kane and Lynch should be able to cope with your much vaunted midfield and Cullen.
Now, our biggest fear is that we'll pull out Monaghan like performance, but, let's face it the Dubs have had plenty of nightmare performances this year too, in fact our overall record in league and championship this year is probably better than the Dubs. On thing's for sure, this Derry side is much stronger than the last Derry team to beat the Leinster champions back in 2004, they will have to be in order to progress too.
Can't wait myself, hopefully it'll be a cracker.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 09, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
(but he is starting to pick these up due to his physical footballing style - mix of Brian mullins - no relation- and shane ryan).
Nothing to do with a bitter antidub manager who is just out to ruin Dublin's prospects and plays him in every game? :P
well the other minor bannestoir might not like Dublin and didnt call him up for the u17's until recently
but this culchie coach has taken him for individual coaching lessons, so that he can now kick points wheras he couldnt kick the ball straight at all last year and could only fist points after running from midfield.
its thanking me ya should be ya ungrateful fecker! :D
Are the Derry fans who predicted a Derry win this weekend being arrogant??
No, thats what fans of a team usually do, have more faith in them than people from outside their county.
Same in every county, same in every sport, same in Dublin, same in Derry.
The selection of quotes saying Dublin will win could easily be matched with matching quotes saying Derry will win, and from this very thread. But why bother dragging these quotes up and grouping them together to try to make a point that doesnt exist??
Justy stop bickering and enjoy the game, and may the best team win.
If they dont, fair play to Derry ;)
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:05:30 PM
DubsforSam1,
Most of what you say (esp. the bit about occassion/atmosphere etc.) is exactly why I would have Dublin favourites for this game. Dublin have an extremely strong attack, but I hope our defence can cope with it. The game against Laois became too open for Derry's liking and in the end Laois scored 2-11 (something similar to what they scored against Dublin). But we were more than capable of outscoring them. However, it is too short-sighted to view one single game. Derry conceded 9 points against Armagh and 1-6 against Mayo (whom Dublin conceded 1-16 against last year). A good defensive performance can provide us with a platform for victory, as Derry then seek to target Dublin's defence.
Will - Defending against an Armagh team with only one decent forward in McDonnell who themselves place at a slow pace is totally different to playing against Dublin....Yes you defended well against Mayo but they have been a disaster this year in the championship....
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 09, 2007, 03:41:37 PM
Are the Derry fans who predicted a Derry win this weekend being arrogant??
No, thats what fans of a team usually do, have more faith in them than people from outside their county.
Same in every county, same in every sport, same in Dublin, same in Derry.
The selection of quotes saying Dublin will win could easily be matched with matching quotes saying Derry will win, and from this very thread. But why bother dragging these quotes up and grouping them together to try to make a point that doesnt exist??
Justy stop bickering and enjoy the game, and may the best team win.
If they dont, fair play to Derry ;)
I agree that every county has more belief in their team than others. I have no issue with Dublin fans predicting their team to win, I have already said that Dublin deserve to be clear favourites (but 1/3 is a joke). My problem is with the dismissive attitude of the dubs in saying that they are 2 levels above Derry and claiming that Derry are a 1 man team!
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
I agree that every county has more belief in their team than others. I have no issue with Dublin fans predicting their team to win, I have already said that Dublin deserve to be clear favourites (but 1/3 is a joke). My problem is with the dismissive attitude of the dubs in saying that they are 2 levels above Derry and claiming that Derry are a 1 man team!
Dont be so touchy though, a lot worse has been said about Dublin, just ingnore the obvious bullshit.
Re the odds, thats due to the huge population in Dublin, they want to discourage people from backing Dublin. If the odds were realistic loads more people would back Dublin, then god forbid they actually won, the bookies would loose a fortune.
Ive honestly never seen 2 sets of fans try to talk their own teams up so much ahead of a big game, its usually the exact opposite. Id say whichever team loses, there'll be a few of the boys mssing from the board next week.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 09, 2007, 06:19:46 PM
Ive honestly never seen 2 sets of fans try to talk their own teams up so much ahead of a big game, its usually the exact opposite. Id say whichever team loses, there'll be a few of the boys mssing from the board next week.
well we should have a peaceful week with no Derry lads on next week ;D
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 09, 2007, 03:41:37 PM
Are the Derry fans who predicted a Derry win this weekend being arrogant??
No, thats what fans of a team usually do, have more faith in them than people from outside their county.
Same in every county, same in every sport, same in Dublin, same in Derry.
The selection of quotes saying Dublin will win could easily be matched with matching quotes saying Derry will win, and from this very thread. But why bother dragging these quotes up and grouping them together to try to make a point that doesnt exist??
Justy stop bickering and enjoy the game, and may the best team win.
If they dont, fair play to Derry ;)
I agree that every county has more belief in their team than others. I have no issue with Dublin fans predicting their team to win, I have already said that Dublin deserve to be clear favourites (but 1/3 is a joke). My problem is with the dismissive attitude of the dubs in saying that they are 2 levels above Derry and claiming that Derry are a 1 man team!
Clear favourites and a level or two a above is half dozen of one and 6 of the other .
Infact if i laying a bet and i said to someone who going to win and they said x is a level or two above y . I'd think x should win but it's going to be close .
If they said x is clear favourite i'd expect x to well ahead at the end .
Name me ONE team still in the championship that has a FBL that can successfully deal with repetitive 'high diagonal balls'
derry unchanged for sat
Derry: B Gillis, M McGoldrick, K McCloy, G O'Kane, L Hinphey, SM Lockhart, Francis McEldowney, F Doherty, J Conway, M Lynch, P Murphy, E Muldoon, C Devlin, Paddy Bradley, C Gilligan.
while i believe dublin will win on saturday- derry fans wil be pleased to know that i don't consider dublin two levels above derry. i'm still unconvinced by some of the dublin players-played against them at length- and i'm not sure how some of them will deal with a side that gives them loads physically. if they come through that sort of test then i feel we can genuinely say we can be fearful of nobody.i think if derry hold their own for 20 mins - it will be tight enoiugh until the last 10 where i feel dublin will pull away to win by about 4 points.
I wouldn't rate some of the players as highly as dubsforum and some of the others. that's just my opinion. you don't lose to an average side like mayo last year to be a level above the rest. you need to do something to prove you are and beating laois doesn't really count in my view.
Having seen both sides develop at close quarters in recent years, this match is a toss-up. There are NO 'levels' between them. Derry could teach Dublin a thing or two about intensity and physicality. On the other hand, the Jackeens have a wider spread of flair in attack and, if Derry allow it, can cut loose for 15 minute spells. Crozier and Lockhart are too long-in-the-tooth to allow that to happen.
The Dubs have a horrendous record in recent years against 'six-county' teams in Croker.
Jesus lads some battle for supremacy here before the ball's even thrown in, should be a hell of a game then so.
Fascinating battle and much tighter than the bookies have it, will have a flutter on Derry simply due to the stupidly long odds.
However Dublin could easily blow them away, but if Derry keep in touch I think they will edge out any close game. If Derry can apply pressure and ask serious questions of Dublin's mentality late on I think they'll be found wanting.
Flip of a coin, but I hope Derry can do Ulster proud
Dublin are as cocky as the cockiest of prancing peacocks in the cocky peacocks cockiness ball in the cocky-peacock castle of consummate cockiness! (See what you started Hardy! Finished now ;))
Stop talking balls lads!!
Quote from: southderryman on August 09, 2007, 09:29:15 PM
derry unchanged for sat
Derry: B Gillis, M McGoldrick, K McCloy, G O'Kane, L Hinphey, SM Lockhart, Francis McEldowney, F Doherty, J Conway, M Lynch, P Murphy, E Muldoon, C Devlin, Paddy Bradley, C Gilligan.
I'd say wait to see the team that actualy lines out, but if he starts that team Croz will have decent subs in K McG, J Diver, 'Skinner', Patsy B and B McGoldrick .... no not Wilkinson !!!!!
I don't know if that will be the actual derry lineup. i dont think the correct team has been named in the paper since the antrim match.
Quote from: Jimbobjnr on August 09, 2007, 11:58:37 PM
I don't know if that will be the actual derry lineup. i dont think the correct team has been named in the paper since the antrim match.
They were never great at the writin.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2007, 10:08:35 PM
The Dubs have a horrendous record in recent years against 'six-county' teams in Croker.
Whats with the quotation marks oneill? What do you call where we live? Norn Iron? Well, havin said that, I suppose that aligns itself fairly well with the 'No london in tyrone' sentiment expressed so often by your fellow county 'Gaels'(quotation mark quotation mark) ;)
Could someone explain that last post to me?
Think it's something along the lines of "Why are you talking about the 6 counties? There are 9 counties in Ulster... god I hate all you Tyrone hoors with your Britishness and always saying that we're from Londonderry and all! Pack of hateful jealous hoors youse the lot of ye I reckon!"
;)
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2007, 09:34:17 AM
Could someone explain that last post to me?
they were never great at the readin.
Here does anyone have an IN account?
There's a great article about Derry in 1993 and about them breaking from the march before they came to the hill... will we see a repeat of this audacious move tomorrow????
Great line from Scullion too
"A lot of people say things about the Dublin supporters. I would say they are great. They are tremendous. When we came out at half-time we were defending the Hill. I had moved back to mark Vinny [Murphy].
You could hear the supporters on the Hill shouting 'Come on Vinny, Come on Vinny'. But inside of me I was saying to myself 'By God if I can help it boy, you'll not be gettin' her!'. It was great. It was fearsome."
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 09, 2007, 10:29:09 PM
Jesus lads some battle for supremacy here before the ball's even thrown in, should be a hell of a game then so.
Fascinating battle and much tighter than the bookies have it, will have a flutter on Derry simply due to the stupidly long odds.
However Dublin could easily blow them away, but if Derry keep in touch I think they will edge out any close game. If Derry can apply pressure and ask serious questions of Dublin's mentality late on I think they'll be found wanting.
Flip of a coin, but I hope Derry can do Ulster proud
Well Dublin were under pressure late on against Meath twice and weren't found wanting!!!!! Though of course as everyone said that was cause it was a poor meath team ;)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 10, 2007, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 09, 2007, 10:29:09 PM
Jesus lads some battle for supremacy here before the ball's even thrown in, should be a hell of a game then so.
Fascinating battle and much tighter than the bookies have it, will have a flutter on Derry simply due to the stupidly long odds.
However Dublin could easily blow them away, but if Derry keep in touch I think they will edge out any close game. If Derry can apply pressure and ask serious questions of Dublin's mentality late on I think they'll be found wanting.
Flip of a coin, but I hope Derry can do Ulster proud
Well Dublin were under pressure late on against Meath twice and weren't found wanting!!!!! Though of course as everyone said that was cause it was a poor meath team ;)
Any team dublin beats are a poor team and if we win the AI it will be a poor AI too ::)
Quote from: Gnevin on August 10, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 10, 2007, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 09, 2007, 10:29:09 PM
Jesus lads some battle for supremacy here before the ball's even thrown in, should be a hell of a game then so.
Fascinating battle and much tighter than the bookies have it, will have a flutter on Derry simply due to the stupidly long odds.
However Dublin could easily blow them away, but if Derry keep in touch I think they will edge out any close game. If Derry can apply pressure and ask serious questions of Dublin's mentality late on I think they'll be found wanting.
Flip of a coin, but I hope Derry can do Ulster proud
Well Dublin were under pressure late on against Meath twice and weren't found wanting!!!!! Though of course as everyone said that was cause it was a poor meath team ;)
Any team dublin beats are a poor team and if we win the AI it will be a poor AI too ::)
Well there have been a few poor All-Irelands in recent times thats ye haven't got close to. I'd say Dublin might get past Derry (would like to be totally wrong) but it will end there.
Rite lads and ladies - all the talking is done!
Time to put your money where your mouth is!
Predictions.................
I'm going for a draw tomorrow with Derry winning by a point next week!! :P
Derry. Full back line to smother Dublin's forwards. Bradley and Muldoon too good for Dublin's defenders.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 10, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
Any team dublin beats are a poor team and if we win the AI it will be a poor AI too ::)
There was a great banner on the Hill during the 70s (the Decade of the Dubs). It read:
Flash in the pan?
Here we come again :D
Surely the 70s was the decade of Kerry! Typical Dublin hype. ;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 10, 2007, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 10, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
Any team dublin beats are a poor team and if we win the AI it will be a poor AI too ::)
There was a great banner on the Hill during the 70s (the Decade of the Dubs). It read:
Flash in the pan?
Here we come again
:D
we are blue,we are white,we are as high as a f**king kite na na na na na na
Quote from: Gnevin on August 10, 2007, 10:02:54 AMAny team dublin beats are a poor team and if we win the AI it will be a poor AI too ::)
Ah, the poor Dubs, nobody loves them..
I reckon whoever wins tomorrow has a reasonable chance of making the final, if the Dubs come through it, I'd fancy them to take Meath in the final.
On another note,saw my first 2 Derry shirts coming down O'Connell St this morning - getting as bad as the Jocks at the rugby for coming a few days early!!
Dublin would beat Meath in AI final - Dulin just seem to have the upperhand on them at the minute.
Derry 1-14 Dublin 1-12
Im going for Derry by 3 points.
Dublin will come flying out of the blocks in the first half, but Derry to exert more and more dominance over the game.
Cant wait, this is the biggest game of the year so far, lets hope its a classic.
Quote from: southdown on August 10, 2007, 11:31:41 AM
Im going for Derry by 3 points.
Dublin will come flying out of the blocks in the first half, but Derry to exert more and more dominance over the game.
Cant wait, this is the biggest game of the year so far, lets hope its a classic.
Lets hope to god it isn't , every time Dublin are involved in a classic they poxy lose
all the ulster boys sticking together, how unusual. :P
Remember lads yer supposed to say what you think will happen, not what you'd like to happen! ;)
Hope Dublin dont start like mad men, a close first half with Dublin really kicking into gear later in the game will do me, as has been the pattern v meath and laois. Think we'll win if we can play for the 70 minutes but Dublin being Dublin we can lose any game, even if we have it won, so hope to be jaysus the lads dont follow the usual pattern when we finally meet a good team. Derry are on form and with their two main dange men on form are more then capable of beating anyone. Hope for a boring Dublin win but think it could well be a tight affair.
I fancy Dublin by 4: 2-13 v 1-12 with vaughan hittin 1-5 :)
Quote from: tayto on August 10, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
all the ulster boys sticking together, how unusual. :P
am laughing at the thoughts of hardy being labelled as an ulsterman !
:D
I doubt if it will be a draw. If so Derry wont win the replay.
Fancy Derry by 1, McGoldrick ala Johnny McGurk 1993
Derry 1:15 - Dublin 0:17
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 10, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: tayto on August 10, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
all the ulster boys sticking together, how unusual. :P
am laughing at the thoughts of hardy being labelled as an ulsterman !
:D
I doubt if it will be a draw. If so Derry wont win the replay.
You got there before me lynchbhoy. Tayto - withdraw that scurrilous slur.
I think Derry are unlikely to win in a highscoring game. If it turns into a direct shootout (a bit like it did against Laois for both teams), then Dublin's pace and attacking potency will be too much for Derry. Derry's best chance of victory is by trying to stifle the Dublin attack, close down space and turn the game into a dour contest. Then, Derry's forwards will hope to get just enough scores on the board to win the game (with maybe a goal deciding it). However, I feel it will be difficult for Derry to employ these tactics tomorrow. Dublin's midfield sector is strong, and the wide expanses of Croke Park suits their attacking running game. These factors will make it difficult for Derry to close Dublin out. Derry need a lot more to go right for them than Dublin do, and without sounding too negative as a Derry fan before the big game, I reckon Dublin will win this by 4 or 5 points.
I would nearly agree with Will Hunting in his summary....
Ideal for Dublin would be for Derry to get a good start and play really well for the full 70 and Dublin to win it by a point or 2 at the death...would like to see B Brogan, A Brogan, Sherlock and maybe Quinn kicking a couple of points each to give them confidence and remove the pressure from Vaughan/Keaney...
Derry's chances of making it a dour struggle could depend on the ref...if he decides to tick/card for fouls that will reduce their chances of turning it into a repeat of the Tyrone game from last year...
Dublin 2-12 Derry 1-14
Pretty pathetic preview of the Dublin-Derry match on the Road to Croker last night. So much for media bias in relation to Dublin games ::) Just 5 minutes talking to two Laois players (Byron went for Dublin, MJ Tierney went for Derry). Sean Boylan in the studio and they never even asked him about the game!!
As for my opinion, obviously as a biased Dub, I'll be going for a win for the Boys in Blue. I believe Griffin is the best man in the country to deal with Paddy Bradley - though obviously he'll need help regarding ball coming in. I'm hopeful we'll win the midfield battle. Key for us from now on is our forwards never losing their compusure and resorting to shooting from stupid places when we come under pressure.
Really looking forward to it. Hope for a good day and a quiet ref.
Any neutrals on the board going to the game?
have a ticket for the upper hogan south down looking forward to it,has potential be a goog game,thinking of putting few pound on derry with the three point handicap at evens,however,some one pointed out me derry may win or will possibly collapse and lose by four or five.sunbs could be the winning and losing of game imo
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2007, 12:10:02 PM
You got there before me lynchbhoy. Tayto - withdraw that scurrilous slur.
ah ha, sorry chief, didnt notice yer name in there amongst the ulster boys!
Just went onto ticketmaster, got 2 lower cusack 306 for me and the old man! cant wait now!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 10, 2007, 01:22:26 PM
sunbs could be the winning and losing of game imo
if sunbeds are the winning and losing of the game, then Dublin will romp home by 26 points
Quote from: southdown on August 10, 2007, 02:26:18 PM
Just went onto ticketmaster, got 2 lower cusack 306 for me and the old man! cant wait now!
thats where im at myself, lower cusack, 306!! cant believe you still got them on ticketmaster?! :o
I predict Dub's to start well as per usual, maybe even lead at half time but then derry to settle and use their sub's well i.e Diver, Skinner & McGuckin. Dublin still with doubts in the back of their head throwing away a 7 point lead against Mayo last year to crumble in last ten mins, Paddy bradley to really turn it on, even if double teamed. Dublin under-eatimate our defence, i would not swap them for any other county's back 6.
Good luck to all the panel and management, really looking forward to it! ;D
Look lads we've all had a bit of fun giving Derry a chance, but in all honesty i just cant see how Dublin will lose unless they have a total stinker (which would not make Derry better than us)
Roll on Kerry in the 26th! :)
Quote from: Tankie on August 10, 2007, 03:13:09 PM
Look lads we've all had a bit of fun giving Derry a chance, but in all honesty i just cant see how Dublin will lose unless they have a total stinker (which would not make Derry better than us)
Roll on Kerry in the 26th! :)
Talk bout getting your excuses in early Tankie! "if we lose" talk! :D
Dub's aint met a defence as strong as ours, time will tell!
Fergal Doc will have some tussle with Whelan, and i expect him to come out on top. Management should have done their homework on dublin's kick-out's too.
At this point i would not swap the Derry team for the Dublin one.
In a real pressure cooker situation the dub's have a knack of becoming a shrinking violet, long may it continue!
Paddy Bradley will really want to turn it on, on the big stage, none bigger than tomorrow!
Sometimes in these really big games, a lesser known lad i.e not a big name rises and plays out of his skin, i just Derry have a couple of these! :)
Up Derry!!
Apart from my obvious Tyrone feelings on Derry, I really think they will beat the Dub's. As solid a defence as there is about, and with McGuk back in the frame even stronger. Fergal Doherty is as tough and effective a midfielder as there is about and up fron if Muldoon, Bradley and Lynch are on form Derry should win.
No, i think Dublin are really focused and are looking better this year than years past. I dont expect there to be any celebrations in Derry come Saturday night.
Quote from: thejuice on August 10, 2007, 03:46:45 PM
No, i think Dublin are really focused and are looking better this year than years past. I dont expect there to be any celebrations in Derry come Saturday night.
there be very little celebrations in derry saturday night no matter what happens,half of derry are staying in dublin
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on August 10, 2007, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 10, 2007, 03:46:45 PM
No, i think Dublin are really focused and are looking better this year than years past. I dont expect there to be any celebrations in Derry come Saturday night.
there be very little celebrations in derry saturday night no matter what happens,half of derry are staying in dublin
Well, look at you, arent you the clever one. ;)
Glad to see everyone thinks that Dublin haven't played a decent physical team yet....I could have sworn we have played Meath twice in tough physical games and coped also against a decent defence...both games going down to the wire and we didn't bottle it in either game!!!!
Mgmt can do all their homework on the kickouts to Ryan as teams have since last year and yet hety still work...It is having Conway able to run 40 yards to keep up with him and Cluxton is expert at landing the ball in front of Ryan...also if Derry delegate one of the forwards to mark the kickouts it frees up a defender to take the short kickout...
Derry's defence is also going to have to cope with 4 scoring forwards for the first time this championship...also with forwards who are capable of winning their own ball and holding their own in physical contact..and who are strong tacklers to stop them bringing the ball out of defence....
They are also going to come up against a physical defence for the 3rd time....Monaghan beat them, Armagh held them to 9 points so its not likely that they will score a big score this time either...
Last comment b4 I leave work, head to Dublin tonight to wind up these West Brits, get full, Slag off southsiders, rip off fry for breaky tomorrow, beat the Dubs in their back yard then get full and slag off north and southsiders in Coppers or wherever.
Oh and the minors to beat the langers too.
DOIRE ABU
Quote from: SuperHans on August 10, 2007, 04:54:12 PM
Last comment b4 I leave work, head to Dublin tonight to wind up these West Brits, get full, Slag off southsiders, rip off fry for breaky tomorrow, beat the Dubs in their back yard then get full and slag off north and southsiders in Coppers or wherever.
Oh and the minors to beat the langers too.
DOIRE ABU
Londonderrys answer to yob culture. Enjoy jackeens.
Good man Superhans, sure I might see you about!
As for all the crap both sides have been spouting all week wll it doesn't matter a damn anymore! Bring it on... best of luck to everyone and hope you all enjoy the match and the weekend.
Here's to a Derry victory!!!
'Mon the Leafers!!!
"He scores one, he scores 2, Enda's gonna score a few with a knick knack paddy whack give a dog a bone, send those jackeen knackers home!!!"
;)
Quote from: man in black on August 10, 2007, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: SuperHans on August 10, 2007, 04:54:12 PM
Last comment b4 I leave work, head to Dublin tonight to wind up these West Brits, get full, Slag off southsiders, rip off fry for breaky tomorrow, beat the Dubs in their back yard then get full and slag off north and southsiders in Coppers or wherever.
Oh and the minors to beat the langers too.
DOIRE ABU
Londonderrys answer to yob culture. Enjoy jackeens.
thanks MIB! :P
Charlie Redmond let the cat out of the bag there on UTV.
When pushed for a prediction on the game he said 'Dublin by five', reporter said 'that's confident', he replied,' confident? to tell you the truth I think they'll win by eight, but that's not for the cameras, haha, i hope that camera's off!'
:D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 10, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2007, 09:34:17 AM
Could someone explain that last post to me?
they were never great at the readin.
:D :D :D
Cmon oneill, i think you understand it a little better than you admit.
Anyway, wrt the game, think it's too hard to call. Either team is capable of spectacular collapses. I think the ref could have a major bearing on it. The Dubs didn't want him for the last game, though I think that was to do with him being a clubman of Kearns or somethin. He also refereed the 2003 s/final when Laois beat the dubs. I think he generally lets things run, but he's also capable of ridiculous decisions like the straight red to Greg Mc Cartin for throwing the ball at Brian Mc Guigan. Additionally, if things are close at the end, he's not averse to extending stoppage time significantly to allow for a replay.
Doire Abu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dubs are due a capitulation after being in front, so hopefully this will happen tomorrow, Derry by 2
Quote from: jodyb on August 10, 2007, 07:11:57 PM
Cmon oneill, i think you understand it a little better than you admit.
Sorry, I haven't a clue what you're getting at. What do you want me to say? 'Wee six', 'six-counties', 'Northern Ireland'? In single quotation marks as they're definitions you'd hear often on the wireless or TV. What's the problem there?
Come on Derry!!
The blues are due a choke session. Whether its against Derry or Kerry who knows?
Or cares
The time is nigh. Oh God, Let Derry do the business!!!! PLEASE!
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 11, 2007, 12:25:18 AM
The blues are due a choke session. Whether its against Derry or Kerry who knows?
Or cares
Derry? Kerry? Monaghan????????
C'mon Derry, do the GAA a favour and beat Dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the delay?
Derry 0.4(from play) Dubs 0.2 (frees)
Paddy Bradley the man!
Derry must be delighted the Dubs have McConnell a novice on Bradley
17 mins Derry 0-5 Dublin 0-4
Derry 0-8 Dublin 0-9 33mins
The ref seems determined to make Dublin win....
Derry 0-8 Dublin 0-10 injury time
The ref has made some bad bad calls alright. Derry on the break are a joy to watch.
Too tight to call at this stage - a goal will be vital to win it for Derry.
Looks as if Derry are going to have to beat the officials as well to win this one.
2nd half
Derry 0-8 Dublin 0-12
Eoin Bradley having a nightmare ::)
Pains me, but derry should have this won a couple of times over. Pints, Nightmare isnt the word for what we are seeing from eoin bradley. Hes not even putting himself about, his marker had time to fall on his ass, get back up and find a dublin player on the over lap, bradly was just standing looking at him.
14-10 derry have had chances. 17mins left
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 11, 2007, 04:16:36 PM
Eoin Bradley having a nightmare ::)
And he's a greedy balax too.
Will probably score 2-0....
Gilligan just touched the ball.
The ref did his best to get Derry back into that game in the 2nd half. 2/3 frees in front of goal for absolutely nothing.
Ref was a joke lost count of the occasions he moved the ball forward at frees for Dublin. Twice in the last 10 mins Derry were awarded free's followed by a lot of decent from the Dub's and the ball was not moved forward. That Dublin team couldnt possibly win the AI.l
Never saw a team win as much ball in MF and still lose a half so badly as Derry in 2nd half.
Good qualifier team though.... :D
What was Crozier thinking bringing on Eoin Bradley, Paul Murphy must have been injured. He was a disaster when he came on, has he ever heard of passing? I wouldn't have that man anywhere near the team.
Derry had their chances today. Totally dominated midfield as well. Paul Murphy must have been injured at half time. Eoin Bradley wasn't at the races at all when he came on. I don't think Dublin will won the all ireland on that performance.
Is the fisted point not allowed in Derry or something?
Why they had to try for goals when there was no room and no need in the midldle of the second half???
Talk about leaving it behind them.
a little bit more belief needed lads . can Mc Cloy transfer to armagh please . some player.
Derry kicked themselves out of that game. They were on top between the 40th and 50th minutes but were 4 points down instead of being level as they should have been. I'd agree that both goal chances in the early 2nd half should have been fisted over the bar.
Dublin didn't look all that hot. You'd have to expect the winner of Kerry / Monaghan to win the semi final unless Dublin improve.
Derry first half was a reaaly really good performance. Dubs kept in it by Vaughns excellent free taking (wish we had him last week). Derry played way better in attack that I thought they would have but as has been already said - left it behind them.
Dubs traditional jitters have not been cured and it would be interesting to see how they would react with a more potent forward line against them. Having said that though this was EXACTLY the sort of tough game they needed to bring them on. Ye can play Laois etc until the cows come home but getting tight mnarking and BIG slaps from McCloy, SML, McGuickan (very lucky to stay on) etc is a different league altogether.
Good game from Bradley snr. S**te from Bradley jnr (at least Paddy now isn't the greediest f***er in the Derry panel). Derry MF very good. Gilligan great 50-55 faded thereafter.
Muldoon - some great passes but anonymous for the most part.
Kerry will let Dublin play more football and for that reason I think it will be the Dubs year.
Dublin were the better team but they did nothing to justify the arrogance displayed by some people on here talking about levels above etc.
Derry are a few short of being a real good team but they have some excellent defenders and Doherty and Bradley are top class too. If Murphy had been fully fit and McGuckin too I think things would have been different too. Eoin Bradley for his second goal "attempt" didn't make any effort at all to side step the keeper and for the first one just hit it at him. For a boy who has such a big reputation - especially for scoring cracking goals - I expected Eoin Bradley to be deadly one on one. Turns out he was useless.
Dublin have a lot of questions to be answered. Full back is a big problem and with the threat of Kieran Donaghy looming that doesn't bode well. Some forwards were found wanting too - Jayo and Bernard Brogan until McEldowney was moved off him were the only forwards to really show. They'll be facing a much stiffer test in presumably Kerry and to be honest on that display Sam ain't going nowhere near the capital this year...
Quote from: twotwocharlie on August 11, 2007, 05:08:36 PM
a little bit more belief needed lads . can Mc Cloy transfer to armagh please . some player.
If cloning were possible I'd have an order in for about 5 of him for our defence. Some man.
Should have been a lot closer at the end. For both goal chances the fellas just swung at the ball, all it needed was a side step or turn to put them in a better position. Canning & McStay raving about Cluxton, in fairness all he had to do for the first was stand his ground the ball was hit straight at him. Speaking of which Martin Breheny in the Indo today nearly made me choke on my cornflakes:
"STEPHEN CLUXTON is not only the supreme goalkeeper of his era, but can go on to challenge for the honour of being the best of all time."
Derry ran midfield in the second half, bad shot selection let them down at the end.
I'm cleaned out backing against Dublin this year.
Not sure how Derry lost this. Eoin Bradley had biggest mare Ive seen in Croker since em .......Mulligan last week.
Derry have some mighty men though. Muldoon won some pile of ball in 2nd half, McCloy, and Paddy Bradley excellent too.
Dont buy into frees thing - on balance Dublin got given more soft scoreable frees by ref. Think Derrys tenth score was first from free.
Am i the only one who thought bradley was alright when he came on? He seemed to have the beating of his man just he was let down by his shooting. I think all those slagging him off are just repeating what that idiot Kevin 'turnover' McStay was saying on the TV. On that, Ger Canning was at his pathetic worst today - his tongue was so far up the Dublins team ass it was unreal! McStay was no better.
very disappointing from a dublin perspective. Cluxton saved us. derry had no conviction and never believed they could win - because if they did i think they would ahve won. Cleaned out in the backs and only had one midfielder. Forwards mixed the good with the bad. Can't see us beating Kerry - will have more thoughts but that's my initial reaction. Derry a very good side -perhaps 3 short of being top class. Eoin Bradley but not ateam player and if paddy had one of his chances he had have buried it.
Cluxton is the shot-stopper of the generation anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot quite frankly. Only for him we were out. Paul Murphy was an incalcuable loss for Derry. As regards Kerry letting dublin play more football-won't matter because they will beat us in a high scoring shootout.
I agree with Cluxton being in a class of his own, not alone his goal stopping
but his ball placement and general reading of a game. Who else comes close???
Hard to know what to make of the game without seeing it again, and tbh I don't want to see it again. Dublin were probably deserving winners, Vaughan couldn't put a foot wrong from frees, but he added little in open play, but then with free taking like that, it hardly matters.
Criticism of Bradley is a bit harsh, he made the first chance himself, and Devlin would have been better off shooting himself the second time, by the time Bradley got the ball the keeper had closed him down (it was a terrible effort all the same, probably indicative of his lengthy lay-off).
There were a lot of encouraging performances for Derry, but as soem of ye have pointed out, we're just a bit short of the top tier, as for the Dubs, they could go on to take Sam, but they're no world beaters either, if they play Kerry they could beat them, but they'll probably have to up their performance a bit from today (not that Kerry have shown much yet this year, I personally think Monaghan have a good chance tomorrow anyway).
For me, Meath have still been the most impressive side I've seen.
Anyway lads, good luck to the Dubs, they deserve a title at this stage tbh, but 2 levels above Derry????
I think Dublin deserve a little more credit for winning this, and for knowing how to win it, than is being given here. For me it was won on the sideline and in the half time dressingroom.
Whatever was done, Derry had far fewer options in the forwards in the second half than the near embarrassment of choices the player in possession had in the first half. There were also far more blue jerseys back there in the second half. It was impossible to see on TV who exactly had been moved or how the tactics had changed and of course you mightn't be expecting Canning/McStay even to notice, never mind tell you. I was a bit disappointed that Brolly/O'Rourke didn't pinpoint it, but they were too busy blaming Eoin Bradley for everything. OK he was selfish and made a few mistakes as well, but I thought the lads were going to blame him for the weather at one stage.
So can anyone who was there explain what Dublin changed at half time?
Whatever it was, Derry's sideline couldn't seem to come up with anything to counter it. They also failed badly, in my opinion, in not using Muldoon to best effect. He won a lot of midfield possession, but he wasn't needed at midfield. Somebody with his skill, ball-winning ability and predatory instincts might have made all the difference in the full forward line, to make better use of the generous possession they enjoyed.
The swooning over Cluxton is a bit much. You'd be disappointed if your junior club goalie didn't save those two. Credit him for being very fast out to the second one. He's a good keeper, but today didn't add anything to his reputation in my book, especially when you consider the balls dispatched over the sideline.
I'd reiterate, though, that Dublin deserve more credit for beating a good team than they're getting. 18 points is a good return for a team beaten out of it in midfield. Vaughan's reliability with long distance frees is a huge asset to any team and with Bernard Brogan's form, they're suddenly looking like a team with a lot of scoring options.
QuoteThe swooning over Cluxton is a bit much. You'd be disappointed if your junior club goalie didn't save those two. Credit him for being very fast out to the second one. He's a good keeper, but today didn't add anything to his reputation in my book, especially when you consider the balls dispatched over the sideline.
Agree entirely. The first shot was particularly easy to save. Straight above him, any decent goalie would stop it.
Must say though, I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody score 45s with the apparent ease that Vaughan performs the task. An average enough footballer but a superb free taker.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 11, 2007, 07:27:05 PM
QuoteThe swooning over Cluxton is a bit much. You'd be disappointed if your junior club goalie didn't save those two. Credit him for being very fast out to the second one. He's a good keeper, but today didn't add anything to his reputation in my book, especially when you consider the balls dispatched over the sideline.
Agree entirely. The first shot was particularly easy to save. Straight above him, any decent goalie would stop it.
Must say though, I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody score 45s with the apparent ease that Vaughan performs the task. An average enough footballer but a superb free taker.
Yeah, Cluxton is a very good keeper but todays saves didn't add to his reputation imo - Gillis made a fabulous save early on (or at least it appeared that way to me).
As for Vaughan, you just knew that he wasn't going to miss today, bring back Quinn!!
QuoteYeah, Cluxton is a very good keeper but todays saves didn't add to his reputation imo - Gillis made a fabulous save early on (or at least it appeared that way to me).
Not really sure I agree on the Gilis save. It was athletic enough but I think Brogan's shot was more of a mishit point attempt and had no real power. Antoher save you'd expect the goalie to make
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 11, 2007, 07:39:25 PM
QuoteYeah, Cluxton is a very good keeper but todays saves didn't add to his reputation imo - Gillis made a fabulous save early on (or at least it appeared that way to me).
Not really sure I agree on the Gilis save. It was athletic enough but I think Brogan's shot was more of a mishit point attempt and had no real power. Antoher save you'd expect the goalie to make
I'd need to see it again alright, thing is if you check out the derry club thread, you'll see everyone calling for Gillis's head all week, simply because they reckon he doesn't do agility.
Big Doherty at midfield - what a performance. He was constantly being fouled yet still won great ball. Where was the ref on persistent fouling?
Derry had the winnings of this but young Bradley wasted too much ball - Murphy was a big loss. Derrry should have taken McGuckin off early on - clearly not fit - skinned right and left.
I'd like to see this Derry team stay together - good honest football and very entertaining - but SML looks past his best.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 11, 2007, 07:27:05 PM
QuoteThe swooning over Cluxton is a bit much. You'd be disappointed if your junior club goalie didn't save those two. Credit him for being very fast out to the second one. He's a good keeper, but today didn't add anything to his reputation in my book, especially when you consider the balls dispatched over the sideline.
Agree entirely. The first shot was particularly easy to save. Straight above him, any decent goalie would stop it.
Must say though, I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody score 45s with the apparent ease that Vaughan performs the task. An average enough footballer but a superb free taker.
Ok but i wasn't really going off todays game, since he came on the scene he has been topdrawer, day in day out imo
Credit where credit is due lads, don't let the fact that he's a cheeky Dub blind you's to the fact :P
i'd disagree Hardy fundamentally with your analysis of the Dublin line. We didn't make changes quick enough. Anybody could see their were at least 7 Dublin players not at the races today. If that's the case you make changes. If you haven't the confidence to use your subs there is no point in having them on the panel. I expect Kerry to win tomorrow and i dread to think how we will cope with the Kerry forwards.
Shane Ryan has been an excellent foil for Whelan. But he isn't the biggest in the owrld Midfield is land of the giants at this stage and Derry in the second half took over. I think when some of the Derry players watch it back on video they will shoot themselves. They had oceans of posession and kicked it away or took poor shot selection. Just a point had Bradley used his right foot in the last minute he's have scored- he actually gave Cahill the chance to block because he used his left.
Dublin to me seemed to drop back in huge numbers in the second half, Derry found it very difficult to get through the centre, as we did in the Leinster Final. Also as we did in the LF they were trying to basically walk the ball into the goal, rather than taking their points. Some bad misses by Eoin Bradley and Paddy Bradley (the free) but some great points by both also.
Cluxton's first save was straightforward as the ball was hit straight at him, the second you'd expect of any intercounty goalie.
Good to see the Dubs being magnanimous in victory at the end, suits them much better. Maybe we're just worse losers than Derry are. ;)
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 11, 2007, 04:44:47 PM
Derry throw it away, 3 goal chances blown,
They're called saves.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 11, 2007, 05:47:24 PM
I'm cleaned out backing against Dublin this year.
A lesson to be learned there...
Very very diasppointed with the match today... I think we'll never have a better chance to beat them!
Personally I think that starting McGuckin was maybe a mistake (hindsight's a great thing eh?). It disrupted our line slightly and he was defintiely a but rusty. McCloy was an absolute collusus... the man was simply immense today. Lockhart struggled, but it was clear to see that he was trying his best and to be fair A. Brogan is a quality player. I thought G. O'Kane played pretty well and was good on the break. McGoldrick at CHF was OK but I think he would have been better utilised in the corner. Francis McEldowney also struggled with Brogan and to be fair (with hindsight again) I thin kB. Brogan mightn't have done as well if Hinphey had 'saftnened' him early on as he likes to do.
Midfield, Doherty was simply immense. Against CIaran Whelan, your side down 5 points, to take a one handed catch like that is just courage and skill of the highest order. He was my man of the match. Conway struggled on Whelan in the first half and then Ryan in the 2nd half. Diver could have came on earlier IMO.
Half forward line, Lynch had a stinker, Murphy was awesome in the first half, and unfortunately Muldoon went a but missing at crucial stages although he did win some good primary possession at times. Full forward line were very good, Bradley and Devlin when they got ball looked very dangerous but we didn't get enough good ball into them. Gilligan was excellent first half but struggled 2nd half.
As for our subs well i think all has been said about E. Bradley. His introduction IMO disrupted the flow of the team. I thought we left it a bit late to bring Diver also.
All in all I enjoyed the game and the better team definitely won. The referee was dodgy for us in the 1st half with Devlin's apparent 'double bounce' and that push over the line for Vaughan's 45 at the end of the first half.
For DUblin, I'd be very worried as we showed up a lot of weaknesses which were being argues over the past week on here. Cluxton kept them in the game and whenyour goalkeeper is your best player you're in a bit of trouble. However the Dubs can still win the All Ireland and it will be an interesting last few games from now on in... anyway Derry have a good foundation there and if Muldoon and Lockhart can be persuaded to stay on we have a definite chance next year... Monaghan for SAM!!!!!
i dont think eoin bradley is to blame for our defeat. the lad has not played at this level all year due to his ban so i think he was lacking in match minutes. he made his own space, was fit to beat his man but his scoring just let him down which is unusal alot more than i can say for devlin, he did not want to no. think doc and mc coly were unreal they give it there all. paul murphy was a big loss due to his injury i heard he got two injections a few hours before the game. i hope this derry team stick together all they need is an ulster title so they can believe in themselves. this derry team has beat a few good teams in this backdoor system but have nothing to show for their hard work.
p.s the ref is a c**k sucker. if the dubs want to win sam they will need him in their starting 16
Hmm, have to agree with Hardy in the fact the Dubs aren't getting any credit, they had a game on their hands today and responded well. Dublin deserved their win and would be my favourites for Sam, actually the animosity towards the Dubs is becoming quite painful and almost has me hoping they'll win it.
Vaughan had another good game today, he mighten have scored from play but he set up a lot and his work-rate was excellent, nice to see he didn't react to provocation and just gave a wry smile each time. I thought Sherlock had his best game for the Dubs this year and provided a little bit of leadership. Still can't for the life of me understand how Collie Moran gets his game.
Eoin Bradley was an easy target for the pundits today and it is wrong to single out an individual in a team defeat.
Just thinking if Kerry win tomorrow will it be the first time ever we don't have an Ulster team in the All-Ireland Semi-finals? Will tomorrow be the day the music died?
School boy error, anyway if it's 2 years in a row surely the music has died....
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
p.s the ref is a c**k sucker. if the dubs want to win sam they will need him in their starting 16
"c**k" is right. Easy frees in midfield and up front played a large part in Derry's late comeback
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2007, 10:00:04 PM
Hmm, have to agree with Hardy in the fact the Dubs aren't getting any credit, they had a game on their hands today and responded well. Dublin deserved their win and would be my favourites for Sam, actually the animosity towards the Dubs is becoming quite painful and almost has me hoping they'll win it.
Vaughan had another good game today, he mighten have scored from play but he set up a lot and his work-rate was excellent, nice to see he didn't react to provocation and just gave a wry smile each time. I thought Sherlock had his best game for the Dubs this year and provided a little bit of leadership. Still can't for the life of me understand how Collie Moran gets his game.
Eoin Bradley was an easy target for the pundits today and it is wrong to single out an individual in a team defeat.
Just thinking if Kerry win tomorrow will it be the first time ever we don't have an Ulster team in the All-Ireland Semi-finals? Will tomorrow be the day the music died?
No Ulster team last year either.
Overall, a little disappointed with the performance, but delighted with the win. The amount of times we needlessly gave awa possession was incredible, and presumably can be put down to ring rustyness.
Ryan and Keaney played as bad as they ever have. Whelo was great, but was on his own against lads playing as well if not better, so we lost midfield overall. IMO the main mistake Caffrey made was not taking off Ryan earlier, but then again Darren Magee gives me no confidence - drops too many balls.
I have to say hats off to Derry. Tight in defence, very good in midfield and some very good forwards. If they had taken one of their goal chances, they most certainily would have deserved at least a draw.
Can't believe some Derry folk criticising SML. That's as good as job as is humanly possible on an in-form Alan Brogan. I guarantee nobody from here on in will do better. Great to see Bernard step up to the plate in the first half, and I thought Jayo was superb in the second.
Dunno why we had McConnell on Bradley for a while. Griff did a super job when he got the task - as well as anyone could on such a talented footballer. Barry Cahill would probably have been my man of the match for his awesome late block on Bradley and for the overall job he did and for picking up a lot of breaking ball.
We'd certainly need to up it a lot for the semis
Screenexile and hound, were you at the game? SML only marked Brogan for thirty minutes. Why he switched to Vaughan needs some explanation from Crozier or SML. Fergal Doherty was man of the match by a mile, absolutely awesome. Paddy Bradley is a brilliant forward. Big Enda, quiiet first half but very good in the 2nd. A good performance and I'm proud of my team. the referee was a complete biased tool. Cant wait for 2008
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
i dont think eoin bradley is to blame for our defeat. the lad has not played at this level all year due to his ban so i think he was lacking in match minutes. he made his own space, was fit to beat his man but his scoring just let him down which is unusal alot more than i can say for devlin, he did not want to no. think doc and mc coly were unreal they give it there all. paul murphy was a big loss due to his injury i heard he got two injections a few hours before the game. i hope this derry team stick together all they need is an ulster title so they can believe in themselves. this derry team has beat a few good teams in this backdoor system but have nothing to show for their hard work.
p.s the ref is a c**k sucker. if the dubs want to win sam they will need him in their starting 16
Very true, and therefore should never have been brought back into the panel. During his abscence I thought the team gelled quite nicely. His introduction turned the game in Dublins favour, along with the Dubs double marking Patrick. Skinners first attempt at goal really should have been a point. It would have taken some shot to beat any keeper from there, and it went down hill for him from that. Although in the last 5-10 mins when Derry got a bit of belief back, he showed well for the ball.
McCloy and Mick McGoldrick, were outstanding today I thought. Big Fergus will defo recieve an All Star nomination as will Paddy.
Barry McGoldrick played rightly when introduced, playing a few long accurate balls in. I thought Crook added a bit of zip to the attack, and made Dublin take the spare man of Bradley.
For the Dubs, Cluxtons saves obviously stand out, although he seemed to for go with the short kicks to the wing. For all his slagging here last week I thought Casey had a good second half. I didnt realise Cullen was on in the first half at all. Shane Ryan was quite enough, compared to his usual standards and Whelan caught a few timely balls. By the way I'm glad it rained today so it gave him a reason to wear them big goalie gloves he's fond of.
Sherlock was dangerous throughout, as was Keaney lto a lesser extent. The report for the Brogans would probably be 'Could have done better', while, as previously stated Vaughen done little from play, but coulda kicked dead balls from Balbriggan.
If Dublin can get a bit more cohesion in their overall play, they'll be hard to talk to later this year. Midfield must tighten up, and play for the full 70. This will take a heap of pressure of the much maligned full back line.
Eighteen points is brave scoring, but in reflection youse should have had a goal or two. Youse need to be more clinical in this department. And for god sake, theirs men champin at the bit on the bench. Use it.
So thats me tuppence worth. Great day out, great craic with the Jacks. I'm backing Dublin for Sam
Quote from: Leo on August 11, 2007, 07:53:13 PM
Big Doherty at midfield - what a performance. He was constantly being fouled yet still won great ball. Where was the ref on persistent fouling?
Derry had the winnings of this but young Bradley wasted too much ball - Murphy was a big loss. Derrry should have taken McGuckin off early on - clearly not fit - skinned right and left.
I'd like to see this Derry team stay together - good honest football and very entertaining - but SML looks past his best.
I agree about Doherty, easily the best Derry player on the field I thought.
from the 30 lads on the field today who will make the alstars??
when exactly did paddy bradley "whinge" about not gettin an all-star? ive heard other people complain about him not gettin one but never the man himself. thought it was a bit unfair of o'rourke to say that. not having seen eoin bradley too much before i dont know what he is generally like as a player, i however didnt see that much "selfishness" from him today he was wayward though. he missed 2 goal chances which he was entitled to have a crack at, landed a beauty and hit a bad wide fair enough, now if they all went over or in, brolly & co. wouldve been singing praises about him. IMO alan brogan was far more selfish on the field but covered it up nicely by scoring 3 points. also dublin better be praying that all kerry players get struck down with the abola virus tomorrow cause the kingdom would rout them
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 11:10:33 PM
from the 30 lads on the field today who will make the alstars??
Cluxton, Whelan nailed on (although Meath's Murphy could still take keeper), after that, the likes of Brogan, Cullen, Keaney, Vaughan could all get them depending on how the Dubs fare out.
From Derry, Bradley, McCloy, Muldoon, Doherty will all get nominations but none will get an award.
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
which is unusal alot more than i can say for devlin, he did not want to no.
Either you have another agenda here, you weren't at the match, or you know f**k all about football.....tool!
I think people are getting a bit carried away with the Eoin Bradley stuff as well. You'd swear no other forward ever had a bad day! Whelan had a mishit shot every bit as awful as Bradley's. Another wide from Bradley was very narrowly wide from 30 metres out on the left, after some great work to make the space. He's not the first player to miss chances like those two goal chances. Had Derry not been four or five points down, I'm sure he would have taken the fisted point for the first one.
As for All Stars, I think Paddy Bradley is well in the hunt after today's game.
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Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
which is unusal alot more than i can say for devlin, he did not want to no.
Either you have another agenda here, you weren't at the match, or you know f**k all about football.....tool!
devlin is a grate man at winning frees when he takes on men but today he did not have the balls to do that
No point arguing with you....you obviously haven't a clue!
u ballinderry f**kers r all the same sure lick duke ass
and wat about the other 4 ballinderry lad wer they all grate the day aswell
And now we see the hidden agenda i referred to!
w**ker.
I'm off to bed. If the other posters agree with your assessment of Colin Devlin I will acknowledge that i was wrong. However, if you are just on to criticise players because of where they come from i've wasted enough time on you already.
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on August 12, 2007, 12:49:09 AM
And now we see the hidden agenda i referred to!
w**ker.
I'm off to bed. If the other posters agree with your assessment of Colin Devlin I will acknowledge that i was wrong. However, if you are just on to criticise players because of where they come from i've wasted enough time on you already.
sweet dreams
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on August 12, 2007, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
which is unusal alot more than i can say for devlin, he did not want to no.
Either you have another agenda here, you weren't at the match, or you know f**k all about football.....tool!
I agree with DYJL, your statement their is crass and rude. I take it from the said comment, that you yourself have never played to any high level of standard. If you did, you would know that no player goes out to play '..not wanting to
no' I thought Collie had a decent enough game, although it showed up that he might be a bit light for 'the heavy striking' Yes, he took a couple of wrong options, but remember this is his first full season on the team. He showed well and caused bother enough for the Dublin defence.
As for the rest of the Ballinderry boys being
grate. Again at times they were. Kevin played OK, but from what I hear he had a fairly mangled finger prior to the game. Fergal didnt win midfield all on his own. Deets had a fantastic first 20, Enda came in to it in the second half, and as I have already stated Crook added more zip up front.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 11, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on August 11, 2007, 11:10:33 PM
from the 30 lads on the field today who will make the alstars??
Cluxton, Whelan nailed on (although Meath's Murphy could still take keeper), after that, the likes of Brogan, Cullen, Keaney, Vaughan could all get them depending on how the Dubs fare out.
From Derry, Bradley, McCloy, Muldoon, Doherty will all get nominations but none will get an award.
If Cullen gets an All Star, it will be pure media hype and not positional ability. Murphy made him look like a small boy in the first half.
as a loup man its goin to be hard to write this next paragraph :D
the abuse colin devlin is gettin is totally unjustified, i thought he showed well, prob more so in 1st half but in 2nd half dublin counter acted derrys tactics extremely well, just like monaghan did to quell bradley and muldoon. not their fault! overall i thought an encouragin performance but we beat ourselves. ref didnt help matters but he didnt lose us the game. just shows tho, were not far away. we wasted so many chances yet were only beat by 3 points! an unlucky day at the office. something to build on. very sorry to see murphy going he was on for another MOTM performance. congrats to mccloy for gettin it did very well but IMO fergal doc was absolutely unreal. 2nd half performance wud justify giving him MOTM. it is also very interesting that all candidates (apart from vaughan) for MOTM wre derry men, that in itself tells a tale.
ps the atmosphere today was 2nd to none, hard to beat a packed croker with the hill as blue as my dvd collection.
kerry to scrape monaghan, kerry to beat dublin, meath to beat cork well, tight final but kerry to pull away with 10-15 to go. unfortunately. my hope-meath.
fair play to the oak leaf boys did us proud. if someone had offered me an AIQF against the dubs after the monaghan match i wud have jumped at it. good to see the pride back in our county. and the less said about skinner the better.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2007, 10:00:04 PM
Hmm, have to agree with Hardy in the fact the Dubs aren't getting any credit, they had a game on their hands today and responded well. Dublin deserved their win and would be my favourites for Sam, actually the animosity towards the Dubs is becoming quite painful and almost has me hoping they'll win it.
Ah sure Dinny you're from Kildare so you're practically a Dub anyway. ;D
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Quote from: the green man on August 12, 2007, 02:04:46 AM
I thought Collie had a decent enough game, although it showed up that he might be a bit light for 'the heavy striking' Yes, he took a couple of wrong options, but remember this is his first full season on the team. He showed well and caused bother enough for the Dublin defence.
As for the rest of the Ballinderry boys being grate. Again at times they were. Kevin played OK, but from what I hear he had a fairly mangled finger prior to the game. Fergal didnt win midfield all on his own. Deets had a fantastic first 20, Enda came in to it in the second half, and as I have already stated Crook added more zip up front.
ure hardly a shamrock. just calm down. duke was good. mcguckin was good. no "deadly" ballintyrone players so get off ure high horse. enda was anonomynous thru no fault of his own. deets was on??? crook put a bita umph into game. james was nowhere to be seen. please dont say paul wilson is worth a plac :D useless
A high horse, he says. Read my post in the context of the reply it was sent. I never said any Ballinderry players were deadly anyway. I think I'm located far enough away, to make a rational summary of how them boys played. Your green tinted glasses are obviously stuck on, when you ask was deets on. Again, as I said for the first 20 he was good.
Cluxton is a very good keeper alright but prone to some very poor errors of judgement. In particualr I'm thinking of
1. Sending off against Armagh (2002?) - no need for silly wee kick especailly man up at time
2. 2005 v Tyrone - short kick out robbed by Cavanagh = Mugsy scores in front of hill and kills stone dead the Dublin comeback (which looked on the cards after 5 points in a row at that stage)
I was at Croker yesterday as a neutral and I must say that I have never seen a midfield preformance like Fergal Doferty yesterday. He was easily the best player on the pitch. There was a period in the 2nd half when he simply caught evrything, and the catch with one hand was amazing.
Very entertaining stuff and the atmosphere was unreal. Before the game I was curious as to why the Dubs supporters got so much negative criticism. I came home with the opinion that they are a real asset to the GAA. The noise they made was electric. I was sitting in the Cusack in a section of mainly Dubs (and a few Rossies!) and the craic was mighty! The fans were chatting away to me about the match and were making good conversation. One eejit beside me walked into the match though 15 minutes late. He sat down and produced 4 cans of Fosters from up his jumper The match was great, I feel that midway through the 2nd hald Derry let the heads drop and started shooting from stupid distances. I think they were a we bit suprised when it suddenly became a 3 point game near the end. They could easily have drew level.and started drinking them in the stands, I nearly wet myself laughing!
The Dubs will hard to beat, however I still have my doubts - midway through the 2nd half they were playing like the gamewas won, and were 6 or 7 points up at one stage. The fact is that they could easliy have lost it if it wasnt for a combination of Derrys bad shooting or Cluxtons saves.
havent seen the game again yet, have the video but not sure i want to watch it.
very disappointed leaving croke park yesterday. we definitely left it behind us, but at this level you have to take your chances.
thought fergal doherty was absolutely outstanding (as he has been against armagh mayo and laois) but wont get the all star he deserves as none of the previous 3 games were shown live or played in croke park.
mc cloy was simply immense also. very proud of the way the majority of the team played.
no doubt skinner will get alot of abuse for the misses. think he showed well in the second half, scored a good point and was very unlucky with another effort. he did kick one very poor wide, no worse than one whelan kicked in the first half. as for the goal chances, he probably should have fisted the first over the bar, or else went low. for the second chance i wouldnt blame him, i think devlin would have been best advised to go himself, as soon as skinner caught the ball cluxton was on top of him.
management would need to have a look at themselves as regards skinner. surely if they were planning on using him he should have recieved some game time against laois?? he did have an 8 week lay off after all.
think diver or patsy bradley should have come on earlier as james conway was nowhere near shane ryan. paul murphy was a massive loss, i feel if he had stayed we would have won. gilligan had a good first half but faded in the second, i would have kept him inside as he hasnt the pace to play in half forward. muldoon won some decent possesion and hit a few good passes but in overall terms was disappointing. i think he should have been put into full forward in the last 10-15 mins as we had a stranglehold on midfield anyway and he would have done damage in there.
lynch was very disappointing again. im not the biggest fan of crook but was impressed with his running and he could possibly have been brought in sooner. wee micky mc goldrick was good again (the find of the championship) and i thought perhaps keenan should have been brought in as mc guckin was clearly struggling.
would agree with leaving hinphey on the bench as it just wasnt the type of game for him.
its very fine margins at this level, the 2 goal chances skinner had were particularly crucial because dublin went up the field and scored points from both of these. had he fisted both over the bar there's your 4 point swing and a different winner. anybody else think colin devlins effort in the first half was a point??? certianly seemed like it from where i was sitting.
again its little things that make the difference, very proud of the players and if everyone stays together i would be very hopeful for 2008.
any neutrals out there, i would like to hear an unbiased opinion on the ref??
i thought he was shocking. taking a hell of a lot of dublin frees forward and never once did he take a derry free forward despite the descent from dublin players. though whelan was extremely lucky yet again (apparently he's never allowed to be reprimanded by a ref) although in sayin that kevin mc guckin was also walking a tightrope and lucky to stay on. but in a 3 point game i thought he was worth at least 4-5 points to the dubs. he only really gave us any decisions when there was 6 points in it and he thought the game was over but once it was back to 3 points he dam sure wasnt gonna let it get any closer. also he blew devlin up for over carrying in the first half after one bounce, a ludicrous decision.
fair play to the dublin supporters, they get alot of bad press, but i thought they were terrific, the atmosphere was great and we had some mighty craic with them. would like to seem them go on and win the all ireland now, but to be honest i think if a derry team with a lot of under-performing players should have beat them then i cant see them goin the whole way.
Thought the ref wasn't great yesterday but was as bad to both sides overall. Brought a lot of Dub frees forward but gave a kick out to ?Derry in 1st half when it was a blatant 45 and several soft frees to bring them back inot the game.
Was at the game yesterday and im extremely dissappointed at derry losing. it was a very good game between to evenly matched teams, at the end of the day dublin took more chances than derry did, i dont think there was much more to it than that. some dublin players did surprise me though, especially bernard brogan who i had never rated at all.
have to say i found the derry fans to be great crack after the game in contrast to some of the other Ulster counties i've encountered. i think if they keep that team together they'll certianly win a few Ulster championships and possibly the big one with the addition of maybe 3 players.
As a (relative) neutral at the game I thought it was a great spectacle. Great atmosphere, the Dubs really can electrify the place.
Undoubtedly Derry left the game behind them, Murphy going off at half time was a huge loss to their attack.
Very disappointed in Lynch, again, but still think he will prove his class in the long term.
Doc immense in midfield, when he came strong Derry started to flow, and when Whelan turned it on so too did his attack, Conway and Ryan were almost bystanders.
Muldoon fairly anonymous from where I was sitting.
Though Devlin's workrate was very impressive and the outing in HQ will do him good.
No doubt Paddy B is a top drawer forward, but his missed free in front of the hill with about ten to go, on his good side, has left me with serious doubts about his nerve and character, why try to pump the ball so high and hard into the hill, embarrassing miss considering some of the gems he scored from far further out with two or three men hanging out of him.
Eoin B is just the type of player a lot of people aren't going to like, good talent, but if his head was in the right place all year he could have had a major impact.
McCloy and Fay the two best full-backs in the country this year, no-one else close.
As for the Dubs thought Bernard Brogan was very good, Sherlock well worth his place and makes very clever use of runs and possession.
Keaney was far from impressive, but put that down to McCloy, Keaney is still a top forward.
Vaughan was unbelievable from frees, stroked the first one over from outside the 45 line with no fuss at all and never looked like missing another, great to have in the armoury.
As for the ref, definitely though he was generous to the home team, some silly decisions, esp the double hop in the corner, dunno what that was about, but then haven't seen the game on tv.
Though with that atmosphere and support from one side how any ref could be totally impartial is beyond me.
Thought he than gave Derry a few handy frees to even up the score late on, but sadly the battle was won at that stage
Great semi-final in store, Monaghan game will do Kerry more good than 6 months training, fancy them to show their real power and class and pip Dublin to the final
I'm extremelely disappointed by the result but nonetheless I am very happy with the overall performance of the team.
One thing you can say as that they gave it their all and they should have no regrets coming off the pitch as players. OK some of them didnt perform to the standards we were expecting but others by far exceeded them. Doc ruled midfield. Whelan isnt a shadow on him based on yesterdays performance and I've watched again on tv before making this comment.
Kevin McCloy - what can you say...best full back in the country without a doubt. Will he get an allstar...no chance. He's from a northern team that didnt win the provincial title and didnt get past the quarters. 12 out of the 15 allstars will be from the semi finalists.
Eoin Bradley has got a lot of stick on here and even blamed for the loss...now at the time I thought he was rubbish. But watching it again, he didnt pass the ball as the dublin defence were marking so tightly there was no-where to pass too so he had to go it alone. Had he played a match before this one could have been a different story but he jsut wasnt sharp enough for this game. I wouldnt blame him for that but instead think he was the wrong sub to bring on for the injured murphy...McGoldrick would have been the obvious choice in a like for like swap (though I rate Murphy much higher).
In my opinion it wasnt the introduction of Eoin that lost us the game, but the loss of Paul Murphy. Watching the first half, the amount of breaking ball he won and the amount of accurate timely passes he played into the ff line are what kept us going. We have no-one to replace this and him going off was always going to mean we were less potent going forward and were going to win a lot less breaks.
My main gripe is with Paddy Crozier starting Kevin McGuckian and then being too stubborn to take him off. McGuckian was roasted and cost us maybe 4 points, and was very lucky not to cost us a goal. The full back line should have been left as was...SML, McLoy and McGoldrick. If he didnt want Hinphy in then should have started Keenan. G. O'Kane played his best game to date from wing half back...perhaps kevin mcguckian could have played CHB? These are options I would have considered rather than disrupt a defence that had settled and was playing really well.
As for Dublin, the stuck at it and I thought in the second half in particular defended really well. On another day, their midfield might do much better but I'm not convinced by them. Two wing half backs were very good as was the other brogan at wing half forward. Vaughan carried them a bit with the frees and didnt do much else, but anyone who can score frees as reliably and effortlessly as him would walk onto any team. I actually hope Dublin go on to win, but I think Kerry will be a step too far for them.
Overall though I'm dissappointed but optimistic about next year. Hopefully Paddy Crozier has learnt a few lessons and hopefully we ccan have a preparation next year without suspensions and controversy to distract from the business of football. If so, I could see us winning Ulster at least.
A lot of people on here have been commenting on the dub support. They do bring a fantastic atmostphere and any sitting around us were good craic. But, we were sitting on the lower deck of the cusack around the half way line just under the premier level. Throughout the game we were spat on and had object such as sweets and empty drinks bottles thrown down at us from the premier level by dub supporters. The stewards were informed by many people and they apparantly sent the guards up as the stewards had no access (which I found very hard to believe...why would stewards not have access to the entire ground?). However, this behaviour continued throughout the game. Now I know this is a small percentage of supporters but these are the people that undoubtedly give the dubs a bad name. They are a disgrace and should have been ejected from the grounds but no-one seemed to want to know. This is the first time I have ever witnessed anything like this from supporters of any team (even the tryonnies ;)).
Anyway thats one negative about an otherwise fantastic home support.
Derry support was excellent but we were just outnumbered and due to the positioning around the grounds I'm sure the players found it hard to hear us at all but not much you can do about that.
To finish, there's always next year. And at least the way we went out this year was a big improvement on last year, so lets hope we can take another couple of steps forward and hope we dont lose any of our big players in the meantime.
It should be noted that for Eoin Bradley's first goal chance, Paddy had a simple chance to knock the rebound over the bar and failed (albeit it was thanks to a good block by Henry).
Re the ref bringing the ball forward I counted 2 for Dublin (both Keaney frees) and 1 for Derry (when Ryan was penalised).
Typical of the appaling stewarding and policing of Croke Park that scum bads can throw things without fear of repurcussion. Very surprised to hear it happened in the premium section given the high level of neutrals always found in the premium.
Nice to see the Derry team get a generous round of applause from the Hill as they left the field (they stayed on the field for a good few minutes after the Dubs and officials had left).
Hopefully from a Dubs point of view, beating a good team will stand us in good stead for the Kerry game. Derry tested us all over the field.
Tbrick- interested in your analysis.
Who was marking Keaney- 3pts.
who was marking Bernard Brogan who scred 3 pts from play.
who was marking Alan Brogan-3pts from play
some of those playerd weren't as good as you thought.
A win is a win is a win.Great to see Dublin win with alot of players playing below form.Derry got on top at midfield due to imo (heavily biased)
1 Whelo getting what seemed to be a back injury early in 2nd half
2 Whelo being thirdmanned at the kickouts in 2nd half
Have to say that I was seriously impressed by Derry. We have now well and trully lanced the 1993 boil.
It was great to see a poor Dublin performance pull a win out of the bag.My nerves were gone at certain points but that was more to do with Dublin falling apart rather than the challenge of Derry. I was very impressed with Derry but it was always the case that Dublin were in control.
Roll on Kerry!!!!
Quote from: Stmalachy on August 12, 2007, 08:48:35 PM
Tbrick- interested in your analysis.
Who was marking Keaney- 3pts.
who was marking Bernard Brogan who scred 3 pts from play.
who was marking Alan Brogan-3pts from play
some of those playerd weren't as good as you thought.
Don't be so negative! Good players will always score and the Brogans and Keaney are top class
I thought McGoldrick, McCloy (with a broken finger)and Doc were outstanding in a good Derry performance. We just needed a bit more composure from the Bradleys. There was ONE goal chance and 4 point chances that went astray in the last 15mins. But thats football. I'm looking forward to next year beginning with a really competitive league campaign.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
I would honestly love to see Derry win this one but I just can't see it.
They have the defenders capable of closing out Dublin's key men but around the "middle third" they just don't, I think, have the mobility or the ability to deliver enough quality ball to cause Dublin's rearguard significant problems. The half forward line has been a major issue for years and there's nothing I can see which has resolved that. Realistically they have beaten Antrim, an aging Armagh, a "transitional" Mayo and Laois who Dublin have wiped the floor with already. The one half decent team they have faced in Monaghan wiped the floor with them.
Like I say I hope I'm wrong but that's the way I see it.They have learnt a lot from the Monaghan game but still Dublin by 5.
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
Responses like Gnevin's are the main reason I would really love to see Derry beat Dublin too!
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 08, 2007, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 08, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above
I am beginning to understand why laoislad and the rest wind you up constantly, and it's not just because you're a muppet ;)
It's also because you don't really have much of a clue about what you're talking about most of the time, if you could justify that ridiculous statement above I might have a little more respect for you, but unfortunately you can't, you can twist the stats whatever way you like (although as fer fox ache pointed out, you can't even do that accurately), but, that won't make it true.
Quote from: criostlinn on August 08, 2007, 10:08:43 PM
This all sounds so familiar. Last year it was the 2 leinsters in a row, a more consistent team which is improving, struggling to beat an ageing galway team, dublins handy win over laois versus mayos more laboured(actually I think it was worse then that) performance against laois.
will ye ever learn
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
. have a blinkered belief in their own team's ability. Dublin are favourites on Saturday and rightly so, but it's too easy to dismiss Derry because they faltered against Monaghan (and Longford last year). Would Dublin have beaten Armagh, Mayo and Laois in consecutive games? They might not even have got past Round 1! But come Saturday, this is absolutely irrelevant.
I've yet to see anyone dismiss Derry most have Derry could beat Dublin but Dublin should be stronger? Show me where someone has say Derry have no chance?
In fairness Gnevin, I never siad that anyone said Derry had no chance. But i'll show you a few quotes that are fairly dismissive of Derry's chances of winning:
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Gnevin:
"It's hard to see Derry beating Dublin , Dublin are a level if not 2 above"
"Derry have come from no where
Dublin are simply in my opinion a level above Derry."
Indiana:
"Does any derry fan believe they'll win if bradley underperforms. of course they don't."
"Hayes is right if i were dublin i would put 2 men on bradley because he has to have a massive game for derry to win"
Tankie:
"As i have said before, peopel cannot honest look at Derry and call them a better team, they lost to Monaghan, beat what appears to be a spent Armagh team and struggled to beat a poor Laois team."
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By the way, I hope Dublin do double-mark Bradley as it will play striaght into Derry's hands. We do have other forwards y'know.
DubsforSam1,
Most of what you say (esp. the bit about occassion/atmosphere etc.) is exactly why I would have Dublin favourites for this game. Dublin have an extremely strong attack, but I hope our defence can cope with it. The game against Laois became too open for Derry's liking and in the end Laois scored 2-11 (something similar to what they scored against Dublin). But we were more than capable of outscoring them. However, it is too short-sighted to view one single game. Derry conceded 9 points against Armagh and 1-6 against Mayo (whom Dublin conceded 1-16 against last year). A good defensive performance can provide us with a platform for victory, as Derry then seek to target Dublin's defence.
As for you Street Fighter:
As Screen says, yous would take our whole full-back line: McGuckin, McCloy and Lockhart and yous would be grateful of McGoldrick to replace Cahill. Yeah Paul Murphy, Paddy Bradley, Eoin Bradley and Muldoon also, and maybe even Fergal Doherty. Btw, thanks for illustrating my point about being blinkered!
Quote from: Gnevin on August 09, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on August 09, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 09, 2007, 03:41:37 PM
Are the Derry fans who predicted a Derry win this weekend being arrogant??
No, thats what fans of a team usually do, have more faith in them than people from outside their county.
Same in every county, same in every sport, same in Dublin, same in Derry.
The selection of quotes saying Dublin will win could easily be matched with matching quotes saying Derry will win, and from this very thread. But why bother dragging these quotes up and grouping them together to try to make a point that doesnt exist??
Justy stop bickering and enjoy the game, and may the best team win.
If they dont, fair play to Derry ;)
I agree that every county has more belief in their team than others. I have no issue with Dublin fans predicting their team to win, I have already said that Dublin deserve to be clear favourites (but 1/3 is a joke). My problem is with the dismissive attitude of the dubs in saying that they are 2 levels above Derry and claiming that Derry are a 1 man team!
Clear favourites and a level or two a above is half dozen of one and 6 of the other .
Infact if i laying a bet and i said to someone who going to win and they said x is a level or two above y . I'd think x should win but it's going to be close .
If they said x is clear favourite i'd expect x to well ahead at the end .
So that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the
anti dub turf eating culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
So that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub tuff eatting culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
?
Jaysus Gnevin would you ever have a look at your posts before posting them - I'm have a bit of difficulty comprehending it, still presumably you were in the pub all day, what with Utd and Chelsea playing and all.....
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 13, 2007, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
So that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub tuff eatting culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
?
Jaysus Gnevin would you ever have a look at your posts before posting them - I'm have a bit of difficulty comprehending it, still presumably you were in the pub all day, what with Utd and Chelsea playing and all.....
Since its so difficult for you to understand i'll spell it out for you
I was right you where wrong and not only where you wrong, you where a p***k about it too .
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 13, 2007, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
So that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub tuff eatting culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
?
Jaysus Gnevin would you ever have a look at your posts before posting them - I'm have a bit of difficulty comprehending it, still presumably you were in the pub all day, what with Utd and Chelsea playing and all.....
Put the fishing rod away, your embarrassing yourself
Barely beating a Derry team who lost their best player from the 1st half is hardly a level above us!!!
If ye'd lost Brogan for the 2nd half it could just as easily have been the other way around.
Anyway nobody said that Derry would definitely win the game, in fact pretty much everyone agreed that the Dubs would win as they had been together longer... were better prepared... etc. and that is exactly how it panned out. To say that Dublin are 'a level if not 2 above Derry' is nonsense!
Also it was evident from yesterdays match that indeed Derry have better footballers than Dublin, but as a team Dublin perform better.
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2007, 12:13:27 AM
Barely beating a Derry team who lost their best player from the 1st half is hardly a level above us!!!
If ye'd lost Brogan for the 2nd half it could just as easily have been the other way around.
Anyway nobody said that Derry would definitely win the game, in fact pretty much everyone agreed that the Dubs would win as they had been together longer... were better prepared... etc. and that is exactly how it panned out. To say that Dublin are 'a level if not 2 above Derry' is nonsense!
Also it was evident from yesterdays match that indeed Derry have better footballers than Dublin, but as a team Dublin perform better.
To re quote myself
QuoteInfact if i laying a bet and i said to someone who going to win and they said x is a level or two above y . I'd think x should win but it's going to be close .
Totally agree exile, Derry have better talent than Dublin and I can see a future for this Derry team over the next few years. I think that Paddy Crozier is doing quite a good job but think he should sharpen up his helpers and get some experience in there. One thing I think should stop is this Derry obsession of slating the Bradleys. Eoin has a lot to prove, Paddy doesn't, he is the best player in Derry by a mile, now give him the credit that he dezserves.
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2007, 12:13:27 AM
Barely beating a Derry team who lost their best player from the 1st half is hardly a level above us!!!
If ye'd lost Brogan for the 2nd half it could just as easily have been the other way around.
Anyway nobody said that Derry would definitely win the game, in fact pretty much everyone agreed that the Dubs would win as they had been together longer... were better prepared... etc. and that is exactly how it panned out. To say that Dublin are 'a level if not 2 above Derry' is nonsense!
Also it was evident from yesterdays match that indeed Derry have better footballers than Dublin, but as a team Dublin perform better.
What game were u watching? ::)
I've heard it all now, Derry have better players than dublin but not as good a team. I havent seen any All - Stars in the Derry team, but they pick up a pitty one!
Hang on, who were the nominations for MOTM????
Well from the game I saw Derry had the outstanding performers in P. Bradley, Doherty, and McCloy. After that you had Murphy who was another outstanding performer in the first half who took a probable all star winner in Cullen to the absolute cleaners.
From the Dublin team B. Brogan was good in the first half but faded in the 2nd. Alan Brogan had a decent game without being overly spectacular which is indicative of the DUblin team. In short Dublin have more players playing to a consistently good level whereas Derry have 4/5 outstanding performers but maybe 3/4 of the team play poorly.
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2007, 12:34:16 AM
Hang on, who were the nominations for MOTM????
Well from the game I saw Derry had the outstanding performers in P. Bradley, Doherty, and McCloy. After that you had Murphy who was another outstanding performer in the first half who took a probable all star winner in Cullen to the absolute cleaners.
From the Dublin team B. Brogan was good in the first half but faded in the 2nd. Alan Brogan had a decent game without being overly spectacular which is indicative of the DUblin team. In short Dublin have more players playing to a consistently good level whereas Derry have 4/5 outstanding performers but maybe 3/4 of the team play poorly.
But the thing is that it is widely reconised that Dublin have placed one of their worse games of the year and they beat a Derry team playing at their best! would you agree?
These posts are all fine and dandy, but what I want to know is
1) Why the feck was play maker Conleth Gilligan taken off?
2) Why was Eoin Bradley not taken off?
QuoteI havent seen any All - Stars in the Derry team, but they pick up a pitty one!
If Dublin don't get past Kerry they'll be lucky to get 2 Alstars!!!
I picked Henry, Cullen, Whelan and Keaney for Allstars before the Derry game... did any of them do anything to justify this on Saturday??
Possibly Cluxton has pushed himself closer but that would be it IMO!
QuoteBut the thing is that it is widely reconised that Dublin have placed one of their worse games of the year and they beat a Derry team playing at their best! would you agree?
We were not at our best for the 2nd half... Lynch had a shocker McGuckin having his first game back from injury struggled where usually he wouldn't and we were missing Murphy for the entire 2nd half. We'll see over the next 2 years if that was us at our best and I can safely say that we can do better!
QuoteSo that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub turf eating culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
I think I'm really going to enjoy the next couple of weeks.
Was a poor performance from Dublin from start to finish , to much wasted ball ,to many free kicked straight into derry hands but as the old saying goes its better to win ugly than lose pretty
The amount of times Dublin gave away possession was incredible (altho Derry did similar at times). Cullen is usually an excellent distributor of the ball, but he had an absolute mare with ball in hand.
I don't think Derry have better footballers than Dublin, but it'd be hard to argue the opposite either. Perhaps Derry's strength in depth isnt quite as deep as Dublin's. If a neutral was picking a best 15 from both panels, he probably wouldnt be far away from 3 defenders each, a midfielder each and 3 forwards each.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:09:20 AMSince its so difficult for you to understand i'll spell it out for you
I was right you where wrong and not only where you wrong, you where a p***k about it too .
So, this guy goes off and selects snippets from a number of different Derry fan's posts in the lead up the game, highlights them etc and then proceeds to write:
QuoteSo that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub turf eating culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
And then, he tells me I was being a p***k about it :D :D
any neutrals out there, i would like to hear an unbiased opinion on the ref??
i thought he was shocking. taking a hell of a lot of dublin frees forward and never once did he take a derry free forward despite the descent from dublin players. though whelan was extremely lucky yet again (apparently he's never allowed to be reprimanded by a ref) although in sayin that kevin mc guckin was also walking a tightrope and lucky to stay on. but in a 3 point game i thought he was worth at least 4-5 points to the dubs. he only really gave us any decisions when there was 6 points in it and he thought the game was over but once it was back to 3 points he dam sure wasnt gonna let it get any closer. also he blew devlin up for over carrying in the first half after one bounce, a ludicrous decision
unfortunately i am not a neutral. i thought the ref was dreadful in the 1st half. the dubs who surrounded me actually laughed at some of his decisions against doire. why cant things be done fair!? doire scored 13 of the best points ive seen in a while and 2 from free's. why was a kerry man reffing anyway. sour grapes!?- perhaps. but at the end of the day i paid good honest money to watch a good honest match which was certainly ruined by some reffing decisions
Very bold there street fighter.
Quote from: Stmalachy on August 12, 2007, 08:48:35 PM
Tbrick- interested in your analysis.
Who was marking Keaney- 3pts.
who was marking Bernard Brogan who scred 3 pts from play.
who was marking Alan Brogan-3pts from play
some of those playerd weren't as good as you thought.
Keany had 2 frees I think.
Alan Brogan would score 3 points off anyone given the supply he got from the half backs and B Brogan as he's the dubs top forward.
B Brogan would have been the pick of the dublin players in my opinion and fully deserved his 3 points.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on August 13, 2007, 07:49:28 PM
any neutrals out there, i would like to hear an unbiased opinion on the ref??
i thought he was shocking. taking a hell of a lot of dublin frees forward and never once did he take a derry free forward despite the descent from dublin players. though whelan was extremely lucky yet again (apparently he's never allowed to be reprimanded by a ref) although in sayin that kevin mc guckin was also walking a tightrope and lucky to stay on. but in a 3 point game i thought he was worth at least 4-5 points to the dubs. he only really gave us any decisions when there was 6 points in it and he thought the game was over but once it was back to 3 points he dam sure wasnt gonna let it get any closer. also he blew devlin up for over carrying in the first half after one bounce, a ludicrous decision
unfortunately i am not a neutral. i thought the ref was dreadful in the 1st half. the dubs who surrounded me actually laughed at some of his decisions against doire. why cant things be done fair!? doire scored 13 of the best points ive seen in a while and 2 from free's. why was a kerry man reffing anyway. sour grapes!?- perhaps. but at the end of the day i paid good honest money to watch a good honest match which was certainly ruined by some reffing decisions
Ok I'm not a neutral but feel I have to comment on the ref, particularly after watching the game again and seeing the highlights. On the Saturday game remark was passed on some very dubious decisions made in dublins favour. And I think this is a fair comment. Time and again he seemed to let Dublin away and blow up Derry or bringing the ball forward. The Devlin instance was picked up on the Sunday game showed clearly it was not a double bounce. It also showed Devlin should have had a penalty for one of the Bradley goal chances. And it showed a point that was indicated wide for derry was actually a point. If you only took the penalty and the faulty point decision then thats a win for derry! I know I know thats a bit of a blinkered and biased statement, but I think the ref had a very strong bearing on the outcome of the game. I think when you see that Derry only had 2 scores from frees where Dublin had 6/7 should highlight this. No way was Derry fouling any more than Dublin were and I only remember us missing 1 free (the P Bradley howler). 2:6 is three time more scored frees than which to me indicates a bias on behalf of the ref.
So, I think Dublin might be reading a bit more into the victory than they should. The Kerry match will be a sterner test for them and Kerry have the players in all positions to trouble Dublin, where Derry were probably lacking in 3-4 positions.
I hope Dublin beat Kerry as they're an arrogant crowd, but I just cant see past Kerry for this game unfortunately.
Would it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
Can anyone clear up as to why Murphy was subbed.
Everyone assumed he was injured, but i've heard from a few people since that he was simply taken off after 35 min cause that was what the plan was.
I find it hard to believe that thats the case.
Anyone heard anything similar?
Quote from: bailestil on August 13, 2007, 09:29:34 PM
Can anyone clear up as to why Murphy was subbed.
Everyone assumed he was injured, but i've heard from a few people since that he was simply taken off after 35 min cause that was what the plan was.
I find it hard to believe that thats the case.
Anyone heard anything similar?
havent heard for definate but was under the impression it was injury.
He's supposed to have had a couple of injections before the match. Perhaps they though a half was all that was safe for him to play.
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:22:36 PM
Would it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
I think a player is entitled to complain if the original free awarded was unjust.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 13, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:22:36 PM
Would it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
I think a player is entitled to complain if the original free awarded was unjust.
so do i but the rules don't see it like that. if you watch dublin as the championship progress they used to bitch and moan but now they barely say a word. as it is a contact sport i would be in favour of allowing the captain be the only person to say anything to the ref rather than nobody.
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 13, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:22:36 PM
Would it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
I think a player is entitled to complain if the original free awarded was unjust.
so do i but the rules don't see it like that. if you watch dublin as the championship progress they used to bitch and moan but now they barely say a word. as it is a contact sport i would be in favour of allowing the captain be the only person to say anything to the ref rather than nobody.
What is your honest opinion on the ref for the match? Did you think he was biased towards the dubs?
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:09:20 AM
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 13, 2007, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 13, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
So that would be dublin on a other level as i clearly defined . Good it great being right so i can tell the anti dub tuff eatting culchie muppets on here to kiss my switz
?
Jaysus Gnevin would you ever have a look at your posts before posting them - I'm have a bit of difficulty comprehending it, still presumably you were in the pub all day, what with Utd and Chelsea playing and all.....
Since its so difficult for you to understand i'll spell it out for you
I was right you where wrong and not only where you wrong, you where a p***k about it too .
It's 'were' Gnevin, i repeat 'were'. Not 'where' ................................in all three instances of your use of the word for that matter!!That northside education is showing its true value!! 'Where' refers to the location of something or someone. For example 'where' do Dublin clubs get their players from? Answer; Derry, Armagh, Fermanagh etc etc etc. ;)
Good man Jody this use of where instead of were is wearing thin. We're all very concerned about it on this board.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 14, 2007, 01:21:27 AM
Good man Jody this use of where instead of were is wearing thin.
Or whearing thin? Now - were was I? Oh yes - jodyb you're in big trouble with the oppression police now, for picking on that poor dub. Cue five (misspelt) pages of "why do culchies get away with spelling mistakes and bad grammar and as soon as a dub makes a mistake you're all abusing us ... etc. etc. "
This new generation of Hill-dwellers is very thin skinned indeed. They're in danger of entirely disgracing their forbears who understood that whinging is the biggest sin of all and would grin at you as you were garrotting them with their own headbands.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 13, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
I think a player is entitled to complain if the original free awarded was unjust.
Ah come on now, the rules are the rules.
QuoteWould it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
Can't argue with that but all we're looking for is consistency. Watched the match again on TV and there were instances where the Dubs players were giving abuse to the ref and there was nothing done about it!
Also have to say that some of the ref's decisions in the first half yesterday were crazy... I counted at least 4 Dublin free's that should never have been and for the last 45 of the half SML was blatantly pushed over the end line.
Screenexile, decisions went against both sides, your starting to look like a bad loser with posts like that.
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2007, 10:01:05 AMThis new generation of Hill-dwellers is very thin skinned indeed. They're in danger of entirely disgracing their forbears who understood that whinging is the biggest sin of all and would grin at you as you were garrotting them with their own headbands.
Should that not be 'winging' Hardy?
As for the ref, I thought Dublin got a lot more out of him than Derry did, the Devlin point and the the double bounce were particularly poor decisions. The penalty decision is just another example of the stupidity of the advantage rule, we don't have to go as far as rugby (which is ridiculous in that play can go on for 2/3 mins), but surely a wee bit of discretion from the ref could be allowed?
Still Derry should know that you have to beat the Dubs by about 7 to manage a 1 point victory, just look at the Dubs first game v Meath, one illegal goal for Dublin allowed, one legal goal for Meath disallowed..
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 14, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2007, 10:01:05 AMThis new generation of Hill-dwellers is very thin skinned indeed. They're in danger of entirely disgracing their forbears who understood that whinging is the biggest sin of all and would grin at you as you were garrotting them with their own headbands.
Should that not be 'winging' Hardy?
Wat was I thinking of!
I thought the ref. was very sore on Derry - Dublin need an All Ireland was all I heard from the dubs - the referee must have got the same instructions.
Quote from: orangeman on August 14, 2007, 11:26:11 AM
I thought the ref. was very sore on Derry - Dublin need an All Ireland was all I heard from the dubs - the referee must have got the same instructions.
::)
Does anyone outside of Dublin think the better team won on the day ? ;)
Well a bit late posting due to no access yesterday but here is my take on the game..
Derry started well and did well to get 5-2 in front before Dublin took over for teh next 40-45 mins...outscoring Derry 16-5....before dropping too deep and giving easy posession to Derry to allow them to attack...but to be honest I never thought we would lose the game....
For all the talk beforehand about the Derry defence being so good and Dublin would score we still scored 18 points which is an excellent score...and that was with Keaney probably our best forward playing poorly...
With regards the Dublin defence being poor I agree that McConnell struggled against the Bradleys and Henry/Cullen also didn't have the best of games but a lot of the Derry points being scored were long range points from difficult angles with defenders close by...ie the defenders were doing their job mainly by forcing players into this type of shooting and not giving fouls...a lot of the Dublin points were being scored from a lot closer in and nearly in front of the goals which implies to me that that the defenders weren't keeping teh forwards in awkward positions to score....
With regard to McConnell as I said at the start of the year he was being picked for one game in particular and that game is the next one against Kerry...Donaghy isn't the most nimble of full forwards which is what he struggles with but he should be able to compete in the air against him....
Listening to non-Dublin fans its amazing that Dublin won the game as our forwards were poor apart from B Brogan, our midfield was destroyed and our defence was in all sorts of trouble....
From a Dublin point of view the following players didn't play that well...McConnell, Henry, Cullen, Ryan, Keaney - most of whom have been good all year....
Regards the ref both teams were lucky to get some frees...but while some of the Dublin frees may have been viewed as soft if you grab an arm or a jersey it is a foul....the main reason Dublin got more frees was when the Dublin forwards got the ball they ran at and past the Derry defenders and were being grabbed...the Derry forwards weren't doing that....
I can see why Derry fans would question some of the refs decisions, seemed to give a couple of soft frees to Dublin, having said that i thought we took control of the game and then took the foot off as we always do with a lead that size. Hard luck to Derry could have got a draw int he end, have to say yer fans were fantastic and good aul'craic.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 14, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
With regard to McConnell as I said at the start of the year he was being picked for one game in particular and that game is the next one against Kerry...Donaghy isn't the most nimble of full forwards which is what he struggles with but he should be able to compete in the air against him....
Yea, i'd tend to agree with you there, otherwise it'd make more sense to play sos. ross will hopefully be able to compete with a forward of donaghy's style better. Having said all that he looks a good player and i can see him moving to mid when whelo decides to call it a day. I thought midfeild was 50-50 the other day, a great tussle, very entertaining, some people seem to think whelan has to dominate the whole game before they'll give him any praise.
Quote from: screenexile on August 14, 2007, 10:24:26 AM
QuoteWould it not be the case that Derry were a bit rough with the tackles and got called on it? as for moving the ball forward, if a player is gonna complain thats what the result is.
Can't argue with that but all we're looking for is consistency. Watched the match again on TV and there were instances where the Dubs players were giving abuse to the ref and there was nothing done about it!
Also have to say that some of the ref's decisions in the first half yesterday were crazy... I counted at least 4 Dublin free's that should never have been and for the last 45 of the half SML was blatantly pushed over the end line.
Ah c'mon lads.
For frees moved forward, it was only 2 for Dublin, 1 for Derry.
Plenty of arguable decisions in every game, where frees could go either way. The only really bad decision was the two hop IMO. Plenty of decisions went against Dublin too. What about Barry Cahill getting a shoulder straight into his chest as he was charging forward. Definite free. SML was shouldered over the line, that was fair. Except same happened when McCloy nailed Vaughan to knock him over the line. Shoulder to shoulder is allowed, shoulder to chest is not. Dublin also had a blatant 45 in the first half that was signalled wide. And whatever advantage Dublin may have had in terms of decisions going their way was more than evened up in the last 10 minutes, when everything was given to Derry. McStay was breaking his heart laughing as co-commentator at the "sympathy decisions".
Quote from: tayto on August 14, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 14, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
With regard to McConnell as I said at the start of the year he was being picked for one game in particular and that game is the next one against Kerry.
Yea, i'd tend to agree with you there
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Now lads don't get all defensive when somebody suggests that you're living up to your stereotyping here, just a smidgin. But no - surely it's only the media that talk Dublin into the final stages of the Championship.
You couldn't make it up (for once that cliche is justified).
Dublin were odds-on to make it to the semis at the start of the championship. Nobody can be surprised. It would have been a disaster not to make it.
Its from here on in that there are major doubts
QuoteScreenexile, decisions went against both sides, your starting to look like a bad loser with posts like that.
It probably did come across like that... the facts are that too many of our players played poorly and Dublin completely deserved their victory. The supporter in me wants to contest every single thing that could have swung the game in our favour but even with that I still think Dublin were just that little bit too strong. What also pisses me off is that people are going to say this was a relatively easy game for the DUbs which was certainly not the case and I firmly believe that had Paul Murphy not had to go off we would not have gotten steamrollered in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half like we did.
All in all I think we'll learn from this defeat though and IMHO we can bounce back and become genuine All Ireland contenders next year. Good luck to Dublin anyway although personally I would like to see Meath winning the AI.
Quote from: screenexile on August 14, 2007, 12:00:48 PM
What also pisses me off is that people are going to say this was a relatively easy game for the DUbs which was certainly not the case
In fairness any Dub who was at the game will confirm this was NOT an easy game.
I'd expect to see you at the same stage or further next year given what I've seen this year.
The way Derry, Monaghan and Meath have played this year will have woken up a helluva lot of counties to the fact they're not that far away from having a team capable of winning an All Ireland.
From what I saw on Saturday, Derry don't have the all round quality to win the AI at the minute - another couple of quality players will change that of course. They're not very far away.
Fergal Doherty was immense for Derry again on Saturday. His ability to win ball with men hanging off him is unreal. Don't think he gets enough credit by the media, certainly not enough from that pair of stupid ball licking c***ts that were comentating on saturady.
Quote from: Fíor Gael on August 14, 2007, 05:43:32 PM
Fergal Doherty was immense for Derry again on Saturday. His ability to win ball with men hanging off him is unreal. Don't think he gets enough credit by the media, certainly not enough from that pair of stupid ball licking c***ts that were comentating on saturady.
Spot on, the man was outstanding on Saturday.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 14, 2007, 01:21:27 AM
Good man Jody this use of where instead of were is wearing thin. We're all very concerned about it on this board.
Glad to be of assistance never kickt a ball ;)
Anyway, on the game. Too gutted to say much before now. It's hard to stay objective, but the stats, i think speak for themselves.
1st half Dublin Frees 12 (4 in the scoring zone, 1 soft (imho)) Ball moved fwd for dissent 1 (13m line)
Derry Frees 5 (1 in the scoring zone)
2nd half Dublin Frees 12 (4 in the scoring zone, 2 soft (imho)) Ball moved fwd for dissent 1 (13m line)
Derry Frees 13 (3 in the scoring zone, 2 soft (imho)) Ball moved fwd for dissent 1 (45 m line) a later one should have been moved for wilkinsons free but wasn't
Plus a 45 that was never a 45, plus the ridiculous decision on the 'double' bounce, plus the ref calling back the play to book Moran when Diver was on a run etc etc etc.
Anyway, I hope Dublin Stuff Kerry.
QuoteAnyway, I hope Dublin Stuff Kerry.........................
............................. and Meath stuff Dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2007, 09:36:57 PM
QuoteAnyway, I hope Dublin Stuff Kerry.........................
............................. and Meath stuff Dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Needa get by Cork first.......................................
QuoteNeeda get by Cork first
They will!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 14, 2007, 09:44:17 PM
QuoteNeeda get by Cork first
They will!
Think you're probably right