Apologies if there is another thread started but I can't find it so here goes.
Who is nailed on at the minute?
Who blew their chances in the quarter finals?
Who needs to do what in the semis to get one?
I'll get my own thoughts up later.
Brogan has to be a cert doesn't he, Johnny Doyle probably in with a real shout, marty clarke edging ahead now too
Don't get the Marty Clarke hype he was poor in the first 20/25 mins against Kerry and then was very good admittedly, saw him against Tyrone and he was poor too...qualifier performances won't count in the All-Star selector minds...
James Kavanagh must be a serious contender. Marty Clarke will get one now unless he implodes against Kildare. MOTM against the All Ireland Champions. I'd imagine it'll be a fresh looking All Star lineup this year. There's no obligation to give Kerry any, although Gooch may well get one.
Johnny Doyle may get one, but I think he's probably been quiet, and poor by his standards from frees, although his workrate is immense and he deserves one for other years, even though that's not how it's *supposed* to work.
Benny Coulter
Cluxton again
The guy Kavanagh from Kildare has been class whenever I ave seen him. Brogan is a show in, as is Doyle IMHO. I think Clarke will get one as well.
For Tyronies McConnell should be in with a holler, but Tyrone's loss has probably cost Penrose. Saying that Mickey McVeigh's performance v Kerry if repeated might earn him a star.
We will get a few nominations (Shine,Claffey) but no All Star's
Down Goalkeeper McVeigh deserves All Star IMO
Kavanagh's a cert imo
Can't be having Marty Clarke at all. Maybe a nomination.
Hughes has been tremendous for us and deserves a nomination, as does McVeigh.
If Bernard Brogan can keep up his performances for another couple of matches
(This is assuming they beat cork)
he is a dead cert for an all star + Player of the year
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 03, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
Don't get the Marty Clarke hype he was poor in the first 20/25 mins against Kerry and then was very good admittedly, saw him against Tyrone and he was poor too...qualifier performances won't count in the All-Star selector minds...
Agree with the above- though i think based on the hype so far if he has a good one against Kildare regardless or result he will get one.
I think Paddy Keenan is a certainty, i'd be shocked if Louth's exploits go unrewarded by All Star selectors. All Johnny Doyle and Brogan have to do is to avoid calamitous performances in next game.
Graham Reilly should be nailed on with something like 1-15 from play this year but considering the chimps on the Sunday game had Joe Sheridan ahead of him three weeks ago in their team of the championship i think he will miss out
Cluxton will get the goalkeeping position anyway.
Sure isnt he the greatest goalie of all time in the world according to Canning and McStay. When he let a ball go wide Saturday Mc Stay went into ecstasy about this man knows what he's doing ::). FFS .
We'll get Geoff and Donie nominated and maybe Finneran but that's as far as she goes.
Whoever wins Sam will get about 8 ( 12 if it's Dublin), Runners up 3 ( 6 if Dublin) then the others divided between the losing Semi finalists ( 3 to Dublin if they lose to Cork)
With regard to the initial question, I think the only real nailed on ones are probably James Kavanagh and maybe Johnny Doyle. I think a good semi final is needed for the likes of O'Gara from Dublin, Brogan, Coulter and Clarke (although I think Clarke will get one).
The Kerry lads blew it in the quarter final, because no one is going to give Kerry a sympathy All Star. Gooch might get one, but with Brogan, Shine, Doyle, Coulter, etc etc in the reckoning, I'd say he's goosed.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
With regard to the initial question, I think the only real nailed on ones are probably James Kavanagh and maybe Johnny Doyle. I think a good semi final is needed for the likes of O'Gara from Dublin, Brogan, Coulter and Clarke (although I think Clarke will get one).
Jaysus, O Gara would want to score a hat trick in both the semi final and final for me to think he deserves one!
Peter Kelly in the corner from Kildare is another one, has kept Freeman, E Bradley and S Bray to something like 2 points from play, contender for young layer of the year too..
Quote from: haze on August 03, 2010, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
With regard to the initial question, I think the only real nailed on ones are probably James Kavanagh and maybe Johnny Doyle. I think a good semi final is needed for the likes of O'Gara from Dublin, Brogan, Coulter and Clarke (although I think Clarke will get one).
Jaysus, O Gara would want to score a hat trick in both the semi final and final for me to think he deserves one!
I guarantee you if Dublin win an All Ireland and he gets a goal or two, he'll get an All Star. In fact if Dublin win the All Ireland, they'll get about 19 All Stars. :D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 03, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
Peter Kelly in the corner from Kildare is another one, has kept Freeman, E Bradley and S Bray to something like 2 points from play, contender for young layer of the year too..
I've been impressed with a few Kildare lads, who will be definite candidates if they beat Down. Bolton, O'Callaghan and what's the other midfielder, not Earley? I don't think Dermot will get one.
cluxton and b brogan for certs. Maybe a brogan also
cavanaugh and doyle from kildare
maybe dan gordon?
Darrell Flynn, our best midfielder by far this year..
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: haze on August 03, 2010, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
With regard to the initial question, I think the only real nailed on ones are probably James Kavanagh and maybe Johnny Doyle. I think a good semi final is needed for the likes of O'Gara from Dublin, Brogan, Coulter and Clarke (although I think Clarke will get one).
Jaysus, O Gara would want to score a hat trick in both the semi final and final for me to think he deserves one!
I guarantee you if Dublin win an All Ireland and he gets a goal or two, he'll get an All Star. In fact if Dublin win the All Ireland, they'll get about 19 All Stars. :D
Oh yeah i agree totally, but it will be a disgrace if he picks one up without doing something out of the ordinary.
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
That's him. And ye've hardly used big Willie. Keeping him in reserve I'd say :D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
Graham Reilly very good, but he'll suffer from a Meath backlash. Meath may get no All Stars.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 03, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
Peter Kelly in the corner from Kildare is another one, has kept Freeman, E Bradley and S Bray to something like 2 points from play, contender for young layer of the year too..
Dead right, I watched him on Eoin Bradley in Celtic Park. I've seen other defenders like Dessie Mone keep the Bradleys quiet by pulling and hauling at them but Kelly showed great strength and pace to stay alongside Skinner, he was exceptional. But the selection committee won't have the balls to give young player of the year to a corner back
not many Cork names in the posts there so far lads and them the favs to win it out.
O'Neill at Centre Forward and Paudie O'Sullivan have impressed me this year (so far)
I think if Down beat Kildare and Poland plays well, he could be in the mix too
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:19:57 PM
That's him. And ye've hardly used big Willie. Keeping him in reserve I'd say :D
Big Willie is just the enforcer, he's there to mind the Carbury and Allenwood boys from Biffo marauders.
I think Phillip Jordan has been pretty flawless all year. He definitely rolled back the years to 2005 this season, I think.
O'Gara can't possibly come away with an allstar can he?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
Graham Reilly very good, but he'll suffer from a Meath backlash. Meath may get no All Stars.
Do you think he deserves one?
I think Jordan may get one, but if he does he'll be the only Tyrone one on the basis that the selectors will relish being able to get new faces there this year, for valid reasons. I expect Roscommon, Kildare, Down, Dublin and Kildare to be represented to a greater or lesser extent depending on the outcome of the All Ireland. I expect Kerry, Meath and Tyrone to be outcasts.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
Graham Reilly very good, but he'll suffer from a Meath backlash. Meath may get no All Stars.
Do you think he deserves one?
It's harder of two better wing forwards than Reilly and Kavanagh this year.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:28:16 PM
I think Jordan may get one, but if he does he'll be the only Tyrone one on the basis that the selectors will relish being able to get new faces there this year, for valid reasons. I expect Roscommon, Kildare, Down, Dublin and Kildare to be represented to a greater or lesser extent depending on the outcome of the All Ireland. I expect Kerry, Meath and Tyrone to be outcasts.
these counties have seen enough all stars over the decades, throw a bone or two to the lesser counties who shone this year, a year of surprises and upsets ;)
For me only the one at the moment............. B Brogan.
The main reason imo is the fact that he was a tad unlucky last year and his great form this year.
Last 3 games (min) will decide the rest.
Cluxton won't get one this year. FACT.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
Graham Reilly very good, but he'll suffer from a Meath backlash. Meath may get no All Stars.
Do you think he deserves one?
It's harder of two better wing forwards than Reilly and Kavanagh this year.
If Cullen plays well against Cork he could come into the mix.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 03, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
James Kavanagh and Graham Reilly would be my two wing forwards anyway.
Graham Reilly very good, but he'll suffer from a Meath backlash. Meath may get no All Stars.
Do you think he deserves one?
It's harder of two better wing forwards than Reilly and Kavanagh this year.
If Cullen plays well against Cork he could come into the mix.
I obviously meant 'It's hard to think of two'. Dunno what I was doing there :D
Agree about Cullen, but that's what I meant about the next few games. If it goes down to a shootout between Kavanagh and Reilly, because Cullen gets one on the back of an All Ireland say, then I think it would be Kavanagh.
Plenty of contenders for the young player of the year which is great to see. Rory O'Carroll, Donie Shine, Marty Clarke and have also been impressed by Peter Kelly in Kildare but might not be as high profile as the other three. I think Brogan is nailed on for Player of the Year. He has been truly outstanding. Though in saying that if Kildare win it Johnny Doyle will come into the reckoning. There are no real contenders for player of the year for Cork so far anyway. What way are the GAA Allstars and the GPA awards working this year? Is there only one now that the GPA have come under the GAA umbrella?
I would say Shine is the only cert at the minute .The all Ireland finalists will have 9-10 between them with 3-4 going to beaten semi finalists and a few random ones ( someone from Louth, John Galvin , maybe Muggsy/Gooch) ? thrown in. It will be performances in next three games that sort out the mix.
I think Pearse O' Neill was favourite for footballer of the year going into final last year and I cant remember if he even got an allstar. Kennelly didnt even start the QF and ended up with one. I wonder how many of the halfway selections on Sunday game will end up with them ?
p mc connell tyrone
c. harrison sligo
justin. mc mahon tyrone
joe .mc mahon tyrone
t. o se kerry
m . shields cork
p . jordan tyrone
j. galvin limerick
p. keean louth
p galvin kerry
p. joyce galway
j. sheridan meath
c.cooper kerry
b.brogan dublin
d .kelly sligo
This is the business end of the season.
A good performance in the semi/final counts more than all performances to date in the eyes of the selectors.
Yis know nutttin.Ambrose, Ambrose, Ambrose.
McKernan for CHB.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 03, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
I wonder how many of the halfway selections on Sunday game will end up with them ?
p mc connell tyrone (nope)
c. harrison sligo (nope)
justin. mc mahon tyrone (maybe)
joe .mc mahon tyrone (nope)
t. o se kerry (nope)
m . shields cork (maybe)
p . jordan tyrone (maybe)
j. galvin limerick (nope)
p. keean louth (maybe)
p galvin kerry (nope)
p. joyce galway (nope)
j. sheridan meath (nope)
c.cooper kerry (nope)
b.brogan dublin (yes)
d .kelly sligo (nope)
Quote from: bcarrier on August 03, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
I would say Shine is the only cert at the minute .The all Ireland finalists will have 9-10 between them with 3-4 going to beaten semi finalists and a few random ones ( someone from Louth, John Galvin , maybe Muggsy/Gooch) ? thrown in. It will be performances in next three games that sort out the mix.
I think Pearse O' Neill was favourite for footballer of the year going into final last year and I cant remember if he even got an allstar. Kennelly didnt even start the QF and ended up with one. I wonder how many of the halfway selections on Sunday game will end up with them ?
p mc connell tyrone
c. harrison sligo
justin. mc mahon tyrone
joe .mc mahon tyrone
t. o se kerry
m . shields cork
p . jordan tyrone
j. galvin limerick
p. keean louth
p galvin kerry
p. joyce galway
j. sheridan meath
c.cooper kerry
b.brogan dublin
d .kelly sligo
Joyce will get a nomination I imagine but won't get an All-Star. We were gone far too early for that unfortunately considering the two finalists will invariably make up the vast majority.
The two finalists will always dominate the All-Stars - think Karl Lacey, Stephen O'Neill and Dermot Earley were the only three last year not to feature in the All-Ireland.
From a Kildare point of view, I'd expect the following to be in the mix (I'd expect most to be nominated but whether they win one will depend on future results/performances):
Peter Kelly - has done a great marking job on Paddy Cunningham, Declan Maxwell, Eoin Bradley, Tommy Freeman and Stephen Bray. Some going for a lad that only made his debut only six weeks ago.
Morgan O'Flaherty - Arguably Kildare's most consistent performer.
Daryl Flynn - Has developed into a fine midfielder and has really stepped it up with Dermot on one leg beside him. Only two midfield positions up for grabs though so it will be ferociously competitive as always.
Éamonn Callaghan - Probably our best player through the qualifiers. Superb in Derry and Belfast but his versatility might count against him with a view to the All-Stars.
James Kavanagh - Good against Louth, very quiet in both Antrim games, good against Leitrim, quiet up in Derry, sublime against Monaghan and Meath. Looks like he is one of those players who hits form at Croke Park.
Johnny Doyle - Has had better years (particularly '08 when he was top scorer) but the fact that he is top scorer even when struggling with his place kicking says it all. Unlike some of the other marquee forwards around the country he also works his backside off tracking back and winning breaks.
Eoghan O'Flaherty could be in contention for the YPOTY if he keeps up his form of last Sunday. Graham Reilly, Donie Shine and Marty Clarke others for the shortlist. I doubt Kelly will be in contention because most backs are normally passed over for such awards. MOTM on The Sunday Game nearly always seems to go to a forward or midfielder.
Bear in mind, (I had to double check this myself) that 'To qualify for a Young Player award a player must have been eligible to play in the under-21 grade during the year under review.' That would rule Martin Clarke out I think. Not to sure about Shine or O'Reilly.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 03, 2010, 05:01:33 PM
The guy Kavanagh from Kildare has been class whenever I ave seen him. Brogan is a show in, as is Doyle IMHO. I think Clarke will get one as well.
For Tyronies McConnell should be in with a holler, but Tyrone's loss has probably cost Penrose. Saying that Mickey McVeigh's performance v Kerry if repeated might earn him a star.
Must have been some performance from the stand where I saw him.
Brendan did well for Down though.
Quote from: barelegs on August 03, 2010, 10:48:42 PM
Bear in mind, (I had to double check this myself) that 'To qualify for a Young Player award a player must have been eligible to play in the under-21 grade during the year under review.' That would rule Martin Clarke out I think. Not to sure about Shine or O'Reilly.
Donie has an under21 connacht medal this year
Quote from: barelegs on August 03, 2010, 10:48:42 PM
Bear in mind, (I had to double check this myself) that 'To qualify for a Young Player award a player must have been eligible to play in the under-21 grade during the year under review.' That would rule Martin Clarke out I think. Not to sure about Shine or O'Reilly.
Yup Clarke was part of Down 2005 Minor winning team making him 22/23 now
Quote from: mjg on August 03, 2010, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: barelegs on August 03, 2010, 10:48:42 PM
Bear in mind, (I had to double check this myself) that 'To qualify for a Young Player award a player must have been eligible to play in the under-21 grade during the year under review.' That would rule Martin Clarke out I think. Not to sure about Shine or O'Reilly.
Donie has an under21 connacht medal this year
Shine won Connacht U-21 and Senior medals this year plus a Sigerson Cup with DCU.
McConnell, McVeigh or Cluxton for keeper. I know it's maybe a reach with Cluxton after conceeding 5 goals in one game but his kickouts are just so good and if these 50's keep going over you never know. The Roscommon keeper had a good game on Sunday but not as good as the commentators let on also he had no real opportunity to shine in the Connacht Championship. I don't think it's been a vintage year for backs but there will be very deserving midfieldersand forwards who will not even get a nomination such is the competition for places. Meath will be the big losers as the panel will use this as a chance to give the Royals (rightly or wrongly) a slap on the wrist for not offering a replay. Kerry might also struggle to get any. Gooch is probably their best hope but with Shine and Brogan to accommodate he might get shoved out in favour of a Coulter or Kavanagh. I also think Cork's indifferent form and constantly changing line up could leave them with few enough unless they win it. McConnell and Jordan are Tyrones best chance.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 03, 2010, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: mjg on August 03, 2010, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: barelegs on August 03, 2010, 10:48:42 PM
Bear in mind, (I had to double check this myself) that 'To qualify for a Young Player award a player must have been eligible to play in the under-21 grade during the year under review.' That would rule Martin Clarke out I think. Not to sure about Shine or O'Reilly.
Donie has an under21 connacht medal this year
Shine won Connacht U-21 and Senior medals this year plus a Sigerson Cup with DCU.
Don't forget O' byrne cup Hastings Cup medals
Dont understand the anti Clarke brigade at all. He can only improve but as Down followers we have seen at first hand the influence he has had on the team grow steadily through the league and Championship.
However history shows that the All Stars will be dominated by the All Ireland winners but also with the Dubs getting this far they will get the lion's share even if they out in the semi's
Would love to see McVeigh get one if only to make up for the one denied to Neil Collins in 94.
Dont know about Shine on the basis of one match for the young player.
Quote from: The face on August 03, 2010, 11:28:00 PM
McConnell, McVeigh or Cluxton for keeper. I know it's maybe a reach with Cluxton after conceeding 5 goals in one game but his kickouts are just so good and if these 50's keep going over you never know. The Roscommon keeper had a good game on Sunday but not as good as the commentators let on also he had no real opportunity to shine in the Connacht Championship. I don't think it's been a vintage year for backs but there will be very deserving midfieldersand forwards who will not even get a nomination such is the competition for places. Meath will be the big losers as the panel will use this as a chance to give the Royals (rightly or wrongly) a slap on the wrist for not offering a replay. Kerry might also struggle to get any. Gooch is probably their best hope but with Shine and Brogan to accommodate he might get shoved out in favour of a Coulter or Kavanagh. I also think Cork's indifferent form and constantly changing line up could leave them with few enough unless they win it. McConnell and Jordan are Tyrones best chance.
First time watching Clucko on Saturday - but his kickouts were fantastic. Never missed his man.
Norabeag, history does not always show that the All Stars are dominated by the All Ireland winners. Down got four as AI champions in 1991, while Meath, the beaten finalists, and Dublin, who lost in a provincial preliminary, albeit after a four-game marathon, got five each. It was quite a stitch-up, and you are right to mention Neil Collins. He was left out after saving a penalty in the 94 final and again winning the game through a point-blank stop from Bernard Flynn in 1991.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 03, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
I would say Shine is the only cert at the minute .The all Ireland finalists will have 9-10 between them with 3-4 going to beaten semi finalists and a few random ones ( someone from Louth, John Galvin , maybe Muggsy/Gooch) ? thrown in. It will be performances in next three games that sort out the mix.
I think Pearse O' Neill was favourite for footballer of the year going into final last year and I cant remember if he even got an allstar. Kennelly didnt even start the QF and ended up with one. I wonder how many of the halfway selections on Sunday game will end up with them ?
p mc connell tyrone
c. harrison sligo
justin. mc mahon tyrone
joe .mc mahon tyrone
t. o se kerry
m . shields cork
p . jordan tyrone
j. galvin limerick
p. keean louth
p galvin kerry
p. joyce galway
j. sheridan meath
c.cooper kerry
b.brogan dublin
d .kelly sligo
jaysus, that's a terrible effort at a realistic all star team at the minute
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 04, 2010, 12:28:56 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on August 03, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
I would say Shine is the only cert at the minute .The all Ireland finalists will have 9-10 between them with 3-4 going to beaten semi finalists and a few random ones ( someone from Louth, John Galvin , maybe Muggsy/Gooch) ? thrown in. It will be performances in next three games that sort out the mix.
I think Pearse O' Neill was favourite for footballer of the year going into final last year and I cant remember if he even got an allstar. Kennelly didnt even start the QF and ended up with one. I wonder how many of the halfway selections on Sunday game will end up with them ?
p mc connell tyrone
c. harrison sligo
justin. mc mahon tyrone
joe .mc mahon tyrone
t. o se kerry
m . shields cork
p . jordan tyrone
j. galvin limerick
p. keean louth
p galvin kerry
p. joyce galway
j. sheridan meath
c.cooper kerry
b.brogan dublin
d .kelly sligo
jaysus, that's a terrible effort at a realistic all star team at the minute
I would say that Keenan, Brogan and maybe Cooper are the only ones in with a shout from that list. But there will be more twists and turns before the season is over
Quote from: norabeag on August 04, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
Dont understand the anti Clarke brigade at all. He can only improve but as Down followers we have seen at first hand the influence he has had on the team grow steadily through the league and Championship.
However history shows that the All Stars will be dominated by the All Ireland winners but also with the Dubs getting this far they will get the lion's share even if they out in the semi's
Would love to see McVeigh get one if only to make up for the one denied to Neil Collins in 94.
Dont know about Shine on the basis of one match for the young player.
V london Shine scored 9 of the 14 point's, V Leitrim he scored 1-7 of 1-13, V Sligo he scored 10 of the 14 point's, V Cork he scored 5 of the 10 points & in the under 21 semi final v Mayo he put in a performance that more or less won us the title
He deserves a nomination for all Star & young player of the year but i can't see him getting either
This time last year Down were knocked out of the Championship by Wicklow it's no surprise there now a better team with Clarke's return
Quote from: ross4life on August 04, 2010, 12:39:00 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 04, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
Dont understand the anti Clarke brigade at all. He can only improve but as Down followers we have seen at first hand the influence he has had on the team grow steadily through the league and Championship.
However history shows that the All Stars will be dominated by the All Ireland winners but also with the Dubs getting this far they will get the lion's share even if they out in the semi's
Would love to see McVeigh get one if only to make up for the one denied to Neil Collins in 94.
Dont know about Shine on the basis of one match for the young player.
V london Shine scored 9 of the 14 point's, V Leitrim he scored 1-7 of 1-13, V Sligo he scored 10 of the 14 point's, V Cork he scored 5 of the 10 points & in the under 21 semi final v Mayo he put in a performance that more or less won us the title
He deserves a nomination for all Star & young player of the year but i can't see him getting either
This time last year Down were knocked out of the Championship by Wicklow it's no surprise there now a better team with Clarke's return
You're right there Ross but there was a certain Galway man had a big hand in that one.
I think James McCartan deserves a bit more credit for turing around Downs fortunes than Clarke.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 04, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
Norabeag, history does not always show that the All Stars are dominated by the All Ireland winners. Down got four as AI champions in 1991, while Meath, the beaten finalists, and Dublin, who lost in a provincial preliminary, albeit after a four-game marathon, got five each. It was quite a stitch-up, and you are right to mention Neil Collins. He was left out after saving a penalty in the 94 final and again winning the game through a point-blank stop from Bernard Flynn in 1991.
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Dubs only got 4 in 1983.
Aye, but sure they only finished with 12 players that year, and I think there was a ban on All Stars for lads that got sent off back then.
Still hard to say at this stage with the biggest games still to play. Of the teams that remain in the All Ireland, all have a few certain contenders.
Down - Brendan McViegh, Ambrose Rodgers(quiet against Kerry, but argueably the best player this year for Down), Marty Clarke, Benny Coulter
Dublin - Stephen Cluxton, Rory O'Carrol having a great year, Bernard Brogan - nailed on
Cork - Pearse O'Neill, possibly even Alan Quirke and Daniel Goulding, both having a good year to date
Kildare - Johnny Doyle, Eamon Callaghan, James Kavanagh showing great form against Monaghan and Meath
It will depend on how these lads play in the semi-final's.
Of the other counties, a few names that would have to be considered are Pascal McConnel, Justin McMahon, David Kelly, Graham Reilly, Colm Cooper, Donie Shine, a few that come to mind.
Cluxton will be in with a shout along with O'Carroll, Brennan, McAuley, Cullen, B Brogan who is a racing certainty.
Would like to see Keenan/Galvin get at least one place in midfield anyway with McAuley competing with the Kildare midfielder for the other place.
Reilly, Kavanagh, O'Neill, Jordan, Gooch should be good options also
Éamonn Callaghan won the player of the month award for July.
Great to see him get some recognition for his recent good form.
I would love to see John Galvin get one, he was great against Cork and absolutely heroic against Kerry but I fear a lot more football will have been played by the time these awards are handed out and Galvin's efforts might lose out. Certainty for a nomination as is Paddy Keenan.
It's all a bit academic at this point but interesting thyat there are a few keepers genuinely in the running as for the last few years the keeper nomination has had us amatuers selectors struggling to think of a standout. In that respect to the point re the Rosc keeper, he actually had a crucial impact in Connacht as his save from David Kelly about a third of the way through the second half was in amny ways the turning of the game. I thought he was very good last Sunday. Cluxton to be fair could do very little about most of the scores vs. Meath and was left uterly exposed. It was instructive though to watch his contribution to Dublin's play by contrast to Tyrone's short kick outs - not that they were a reflection on McConnell's ability as I assume that was a team tactic.
As for Clarke, I'd wager now that he will be player of the year. He's different from anything else that is out there and could be the catlyst for something big this year for Down
Quote from: paddypastit on August 05, 2010, 12:45:35 AM
As for Clarke, I'd wager now that he will be player of the year. He's different from anything else that is out there and could be the catlyst for something big this year for Down
Paddy Power has a POTY market, put your money where your mouth is.
Bernard Brogan 13/8
John Doyle 11/4
Martin Clarke 9/2
Graham Canty 9/1
Bennie Coulter 10/1
Daniel Goulding 12/1
Pearse O'Neill 14/1
James Kavanagh 18/1
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/footballer-of-the-year?ev_oc_grp_ids=223348
Surely Geoffrey Claffey should be well in contention? Only one goal conceded in 4 games and some great saves and catches made in both CF and last Sunday. How Cluxton could get one after conceding 5 goals in a game is beyond me.
How many All-Stars has Cluxton got now as token gestures to the Dubs during their barren years?
McVeigh or McConnell should get the goalkeeping one if it was picked today.
As another poster says - depends how the semi-finals go.
Calm down lads................ Stevie Cluxton will NOT get an Allstar this year.
Conceding 5 crackers of goals v Meath put paid to that.
Imo an average keeper will be inserted to "satisfy" some county. My money is on Claffey as there is an above average amount of Rossies involved in the GAA media. Possibly the Down keeper.
However, I think that Cluxton's placing of kickouts is second to none. Our midfield precludes him from the luxury of hoofing it up the field like nearly all other keepers.
Can't honestly understand the bitterness towards him.............. apart from 2003 sending off (not the worst seen)imo he has been immaculately well behaved.
Am a massive fan of his to be fair.
He is a very sound lad I believe also.
You have to be a first class idiot to think Dublin get All Stars as token gestures.
Of course, there are many first class idiots out there.
They must have forgotten all about our token All Star in 2009? Excluding 2007 when we deservedly got 4 All Stars for running Kerry so close in the All Ireland semi-final (Kerry got 6), Dublin have received only 3 All Stars in 6 years, despite winning 5 provincial titles and appearing in one other semi final.
Anyone who doesnt rate Cluxton hasn't a notion.
Have to say, I used to think he was handed all stars every year as well, but having watched him live a lot in recent times I can see he is an excellent keeper and probably the best in the game. Definitely the best kickouts I've seen of any goalkeeper- always gives his team mates more than a 50/50 chance of winning the ball, whereas most keepers nowadays seem to just kick the ball in the general direction of their team mates.
He seems to make all the right decisions under the high ball too, even though he doesn't look particularly tall. Anyway, if Dublin win the AI or even if they get to the final I feel he should be in with more than a shout of an all star, especially given his contribution vs. Tryone.
Quote from: Muzz on August 05, 2010, 11:38:04 AM
How many All-Stars has Cluxton got now as token gestures to the Dubs during their barren years?
McVeigh or McConnell should get the goalkeeping one if it was picked today.
As another poster says - depends how the semi-finals go.
Yeah I would most surely say Mc Veigh, as long as theres no blunders.
Quote from: Canalman on August 05, 2010, 11:54:16 AM
Calm down lads................ Stevie Cluxton will NOT get an Allstar this year.
Conceding 5 crackers of goals v Meath put paid to that.
Imo an average keeper will be inserted to "satisfy" some county. My money is on Claffey as there is an above average amount of Rossies involved in the GAA media. Possibly the Down keeper.
However, I think that Cluxton's placing of kickouts is second to none. Our midfield precludes him from the luxury of hoofing it up the field like nearly all other keepers.
Can't honestly understand the bitterness towards him.............. apart from 2003 sending off (not the worst seen)imo he has been immaculately well behaved.
Am a massive fan of his to be fair.
He is a very sound lad I believe also.
He should have gotten the line against us in the Leinster final in 2006. Pulled one of our lads down clear through on goal. But we don't hold grudges :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 05, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 05, 2010, 11:54:16 AM
Calm down lads................ Stevie Cluxton will NOT get an Allstar this year.
Conceding 5 crackers of goals v Meath put paid to that.
Imo an average keeper will be inserted to "satisfy" some county. My money is on Claffey as there is an above average amount of Rossies involved in the GAA media. Possibly the Down keeper.
However, I think that Cluxton's placing of kickouts is second to none. Our midfield precludes him from the luxury of hoofing it up the field like nearly all other keepers.
Can't honestly understand the bitterness towards him.............. apart from 2003 sending off (not the worst seen)imo he has been immaculately well behaved.
Am a massive fan of his to be fair.
He is a very sound lad I believe also.
He should have gotten the line against us in the Leinster final in 2006. Pulled one of our lads down clear through on goal.
I remember that incident well - it was at the Hill end. Identical to the Louth keeper taking Brogan down two weeks ago (he got a yellow)
What rule would you have sent him off under? Have you ever seen another keeper sent off for a similar foul?
Ara I'm joking. (You're not going to get me to walk into the 'professional foul' spake, so you can go 'Aha, there is no professional foul in the GAA, got you bogger!').
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2010, 12:01:20 PM
You have to be a first class idiot to think Dublin get All Stars as token gestures.
Of course, there are many first class idiots out there.
They must have forgotten all about our token All Star in 2009? Excluding 2007 when we deservedly got 4 All Stars for running Kerry so close in the All Ireland semi-final (Kerry got 6), Dublin have received only 3 All Stars in 6 years, despite winning 5 provincial titles and appearing in one other semi final.
Anyone who doesnt rate Cluxton hasn't a notion.
Some might say you would have to be a first class idiot to say Cluxton deserved an All-Star in 2002, 2006 and 2007. Certainly think he is a fine goalkeeper but not worthy of an all-star for each of these years.
Don't bother requesting I justify the reasons why I feel he should not have 3 All-Stars to his name, it is personal opinion and these debates constantly arise following the news of the all-stars.
Quote from: Muzz on August 05, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2010, 12:01:20 PM
You have to be a first class idiot to think Dublin get All Stars as token gestures.
Of course, there are many first class idiots out there.
They must have forgotten all about our token All Star in 2009? Excluding 2007 when we deservedly got 4 All Stars for running Kerry so close in the All Ireland semi-final (Kerry got 6), Dublin have received only 3 All Stars in 6 years, despite winning 5 provincial titles and appearing in one other semi final.
Anyone who doesnt rate Cluxton hasn't a notion.
How many All-Stars has Cluxton got now as token gestures to the Dubs during their barren years?
Some might say you would have to be a first class idiot to say Cluxton deserved an All-Star in 2002, 2006 and 2007. Certainly think he is a fine goalkeeper but not worthy of an all-star for each of these years.
Don't bother requesting I justify the reasons why I feel he should not have 3 All-Stars to his name, it is personal opinion and these debates constantly arise following the news of the all-stars.
So he got 3 All stars which were "token gestures" in Dublin's "barren years" of 02, 06 and 07, when the Dubs were beaten All Ireland semi-finalists and Leinster champions.
Clown
You seem to put a lot of pride in winning Leinster in these years when it was one of the weakest periods of leinster football. But granted I will give you that Dublin made it to All-Ireland Semi-Finals.
So with that in mind.
2002 - Cork were also beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists and receive 1 all-stars and dublin got their 3 "tokens" - Kerry All-Ireland Finalists get 2!!!
2006 - Again Cork beaten Semi-Finalists got 2 All-Stars (beaten by eventual All-Ireland Champions) - Dublin got 2 All-Stars beat by Mayo (whom drew with Loais before beating them in a reply and then got humped in the All-Ireland Final) Mayo - beaten finalist also received 2!
2007 - Meath beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists get 0 All-Stars - Dublin 4. Cork the beaten all Ireland finalists got 1!!!
Regardless Hound how you look at it and with your pathetic statements - I'll say it again - debates will always rage as to who should have and who shouldnt have got All-Stars! My opinion is that Cluxton did not deserve an All-Star for each of these years. In my OPINION there were better goalkeepers more deserving of the award that simply handing token gestures to the dubs (which is quite obvious when you look at the number of all-stars dublin get - for the little they have acheived)
As a matter of interest Muzz who do you think should have got the awards in the years you mentioned? I think Cluxton is probably the best keeper in Ireland.
Quote from: Muzz on August 05, 2010, 03:44:06 PM
You seem to put a lot of pride in winning Leinster in these years when it was one of the weakest periods of leinster football. But granted I will give you that Dublin made it to All-Ireland Semi-Finals.
So with that in mind.
2002 - Cork were also beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists and receive 1 all-stars and dublin got their 3 "tokens" - Kerry All-Ireland Finalists get 2!!!
2006 - Again Cork beaten Semi-Finalists got 2 All-Stars (beaten by eventual All-Ireland Champions) - Dublin got 2 All-Stars beat by Mayo (whom drew with Loais before beating them in a reply and then got humped in the All-Ireland Final) Mayo - beaten finalist also received 2!
2007 - Meath beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists get 0 All-Stars - Dublin 4. Cork the beaten all Ireland finalists got 1!!!
Regardless Hound how you look at it and with your pathetic statements - I'll say it again - debates will always rage as to who should have and who shouldnt have got All-Stars! My opinion is that Cluxton did not deserve an All-Star for each of these years. In my OPINION there were better goalkeepers more deserving of the award that simply handing token gestures to the dubs (which is quite obvious when you look at the number of all-stars dublin get - for the little they have acheived)
What does the volume of All-Stars that a particular county gets have to do with how deserving or not so Cluxton was in those three years?
Who was better than him in 02, 06 & 07?
Im not saying he is not the best goalkeeper in Ireland. I just dont think Cluxton deserved the 3 All-Stars he has won.
Looking at the number of goals condeded up to and including the Semi Finals.
2002 - Semi Finalists - Cork Conceded 5, Kerry and Dublin 4 and Armagh 3.
2006 - Semi Finalists - Mayo 4,Kerry 3 , Cork 1 and Dublin 1
2007 - Semi Finalists - Meath 4, Dublin 2, Kerry and Cork 1
I appreciate that All-Star is not soley chosen on number of goals conceded but it will be one of the choices.
To answer your question tyroneboi I would probably have given 2002 All-Star to Brenny Tierney as he kept a clean sheet in the Final where as Declan O'Keefe didnt.
In 2007 I would have given it to Diarmuid Murphy. He conceded one more goal that Cluxton but played in the All-Irlenad final where he conceded that extra goal.
2006 Cluxton can keep as this year I think he won it fairly and squarely. There was only one other goalkeeper that came close and this was Alan Quirke.
Quote from: heffo on August 05, 2010, 04:23:22 PM
What does the volume of All-Stars that a particular county gets have to do with how deserving or not so Cluxton was in those three years?
Who was better than him in 02, 06 & 07?
Nothing really but when my first statement said "How many All-Stars has Cluxton won as Token Gestures to the dubs?"
To me Cluxton should probably only have one all-star to date and Dublin should never have got their 4 in 2007 or their 3 in 2002.
Quote from: heffo on August 05, 2010, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Muzz on August 05, 2010, 03:44:06 PM
You seem to put a lot of pride in winning Leinster in these years when it was one of the weakest periods of leinster football. But granted I will give you that Dublin made it to All-Ireland Semi-Finals.
So with that in mind.
2002 - Cork were also beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists and receive 1 all-stars and dublin got their 3 "tokens" - Kerry All-Ireland Finalists get 2!!!
2006 - Again Cork beaten Semi-Finalists got 2 All-Stars (beaten by eventual All-Ireland Champions) - Dublin got 2 All-Stars beat by Mayo (whom drew with Loais before beating them in a reply and then got humped in the All-Ireland Final) Mayo - beaten finalist also received 2!
2007 - Meath beaten All-Ireland Semi-Finalists get 0 All-Stars - Dublin 4. Cork the beaten all Ireland finalists got 1!!!
Regardless Hound how you look at it and with your pathetic statements - I'll say it again - debates will always rage as to who should have and who shouldnt have got All-Stars! My opinion is that Cluxton did not deserve an All-Star for each of these years. In my OPINION there were better goalkeepers more deserving of the award that simply handing token gestures to the dubs (which is quite obvious when you look at the number of all-stars dublin get - for the little they have acheived)
What does the volume of All-Stars that a particular county gets have to do with how deserving or not so Cluxton was in those three years?
Who was better than him in 02, 06 & 07?
Just found out Heffo Muzz is David Brady in disguise. Never seen any individual with a greater dislike of Dublin. So it must be him. Cluxton has been the best keeper in ireland for at least 5 years. They are the facts I'm afraid.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 05, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
. Cluxton has been the best keeper in ireland for at least 5 years. They are the facts .
No. Just an opinion.
Cluxton reminds me of Shay Given good keeper great shot stopper but lack's the presence & character of other great keepers of the past
& speaking of character's i still don't why Shane Curran didn't get the All-Star instead of Fergal Byron in 2003
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 10:16:50 PM
Cluxton reminds me of Shay Given good keeper great shot stopper but lack's the presence & character of other great keepers of the past
When was the last time you saw him beaten under a high ball against a 'big man' - he's flawless under a high ball - see his player of the tournament award in 2004 in International rules..
Joe.ie have been updating there's after each weekend of football, this is their current team
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/joes-all-stars/joes-football-all-stars-004155-1#st (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/joes-all-stars/joes-football-all-stars-004155-1#st)
1. B McVeigh
2. P McMahon
3. R O'Carroll-Kelly
4. P. Kelly
5. E. Bolton
6. G Canty
7. P Jordan
8. P Keenan
9. J Galvin
10.M Clarke
11. J Kavanagh
12. G Reilly
13. J Doyle
14. B Brogan
15. C Cooper
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 10:16:50 PM
Cluxton reminds me of Shay Given good keeper great shot stopper
I don't think the Meath forward line would agree with that
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2010, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 10:16:50 PM
Cluxton reminds me of Shay Given good keeper great shot stopper
I don't think the Meath forward line would agree with that
which goal exactly was he at fault for? My granny would have scored 4 of them.
He was let down due to an appaliing defensive performance.
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
I'd hardly call last Saturday a consistently high level of performance. Last Saturday put most of who you have mentioned comfortably out of contention.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
I'd hardly call last Saturday a consistently high level of performance. Last Saturday put most of who you have mentioned comfortably out of contention.
i thought Mulligan was excellent last week Indiana the only mistake he probably made was looking for o'neill for the goal chance instead of knocking it over himself , thought he was the best forward on view
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
I'd hardly call last Saturday a consistently high level of performance. Last Saturday put most of who you have mentioned comfortably out of contention.
i thought Mulligan was excellent last week Indiana the only mistake he probably made was looking for o'neill for the goal chance instead of knocking it over himself , thought he was the best forward on view
He roasted us Deel. And the fact that Tyrone persisted with the short passing instead of lumping it in long to Mulligan early cost them the match. But bar him none of the others were especially good.
For Dublin only B Brogan is nailed on. If O Carroll has a good semi he will get the 3 shirt as there are precious few alternatives. But other then that we'd have to get to the final to get a few more.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
I'd hardly call last Saturday a consistently high level of performance. Last Saturday put most of who you have mentioned comfortably out of contention.
i thought Mulligan was excellent last week Indiana the only mistake he probably made was looking for o'neill for the goal chance instead of knocking it over himself , thought he was the best forward on view
He roasted us Deel. And the fact that Tyrone persisted with the short passing instead of lumping it in long to Mulligan early cost them the match. But bar him none of the others were especially good.
For Dublin only B Brogan is nailed on. If O Carroll has a good semi he will get the 3 shirt as there are precious few alternatives. But other then that we'd have to get to the final to get a few more.
yeah he was a bit too cute for fitzsimons did ye leave him marking Mulligan all day ?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2010, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 07, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
I feel Tyrone performances have been conssitently of a higher standard than any other county in Ireland to date, and they are out. To me I have yet to see better goalkeeping than Mc Connell this year and better no 7 play than Philip Jordan. Now that might change from here on in. The 2 mc Mahon brothers, Penrose and Mulligan would all be at this stage in line for nominations but as I said that might change as we progress.
I'd hardly call last Saturday a consistently high level of performance. Last Saturday put most of who you have mentioned comfortably out of contention.
i thought Mulligan was excellent last week Indiana the only mistake he probably made was looking for o'neill for the goal chance instead of knocking it over himself , thought he was the best forward on view
He roasted us Deel. And the fact that Tyrone persisted with the short passing instead of lumping it in long to Mulligan early cost them the match. But bar him none of the others were especially good.
For Dublin only B Brogan is nailed on. If O Carroll has a good semi he will get the 3 shirt as there are precious few alternatives. But other then that we'd have to get to the final to get a few more.
yeah he was a bit too cute for fitzsimons did ye leave him marking Mulligan all day ?
yep with a yellow card as well. Russian Roulette. But we got away with it.
having said that i like fitzsimons as a corner back for some reason he reminds me of the late great mick holden
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 06, 2010, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 05, 2010, 10:16:50 PM
Cluxton reminds me of Shay Given good keeper great shot stopper
I don't think the Meath forward line would agree with that
which goal exactly was he at fault for? My granny would have scored 4 of them.
He was let down due to an appaliing defensive performance.
Agreed but your gran must be some player, how many of those defenders will be playing v Cork?
IMO both Roscomman and Louth deseverve all stars in the form of Keenan and either Donie shine or Clafferty (sorry if its not spelt properly) but he has been in top form for the Rossies this year and in my eyes their best player. However their are alot of Good goal keepers left in McVeigh and Cluxon. Paddy Keenan deseves an all star for Louths exploits. Should i dare say they won their first ever Leinster championchip, as some people are saying Louth are the unoffical winners :D bvut they deserve it.
Brogan is guarenteed, can't see Kerry getting any? however Dublin are guarenteed at least 4 now anyway.
Alot of talk is about the forwards on the all star team, anybody have any defenders in mind?
From a Down point of view defensively Rafferty has to be a cert. Mc Kernan is in with a good shout and Garvey should gain a nomination. A lot will depend on how we progress but if Gordon can keep going the way he is he should get the full back award.
Shame that Rodgers is most likely out for the semi but hopefully he will have the opportunity to show his class in the Final and receive a well deserved All Star for midfield. Suprised by the lack of talk about him here by posters (apart from one or two who also must have been watching him all year)
Quote from: Eire2010 on August 17, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
IMO both Roscomman and Louth deseverve all stars in the form of Keenan and either Donie shine or Clafferty
I think both Shine and Claffey should be in the running for awards, hopefully PK will get one even if it is something of a sympathy vote. Of the 4 keepers that are left none are really outstanding. McVeigh had a very good game against Kerry, normal service may return in the semi. Cluxton conceeded 5 against Meath and neither the Cork or Kildare keepers have been overly impressive. The winning keeper in September will probably get the award if Claffey doesnt.
McKernan and Garvey must be in the running for nominations, Garvey has been excellent in every game this year apart from the second half vs Tyrone
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 18, 2010, 02:32:13 AM
From a Down point of view defensively Rafferty has to be a cert. Mc Kernan is in with a good shout and Garvey should gain a nomination. A lot will depend on how we progress but if Gordon can keep going the way he is he should get the full back award.
Shame that Rodgers is most likely out for the semi but hopefully he will have the opportunity to show his class in the Final and receive a well deserved All Star for midfield. Suprised by the lack of talk about him here by posters (apart from one or two who also must have been watching him all year)
Rafferty yes.
McKernan played most of the year like a headless chicken and only has one good game (v Kerry) to his name. Garvey? I still wonder how he gets away with it.
Gordon has done well at full back in TWO games - does that make him an All-Star? hmmmmm....
Ambrose has spent more of the year injured than playing although when he has performed he has been the main man.
No, Down might even sneak a Sam but we don't have a lot of All-Star material this year.
Just wonder how many posters would have said at the start of the year that our most consistent and important player would be one who has NO CHANCE of an All-Star? .....
Kalum King.
Quote from: Leo on August 18, 2010, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 18, 2010, 02:32:13 AM
From a Down point of view defensively Rafferty has to be a cert. Mc Kernan is in with a good shout and Garvey should gain a nomination. A lot will depend on how we progress but if Gordon can keep going the way he is he should get the full back award.
Shame that Rodgers is most likely out for the semi but hopefully he will have the opportunity to show his class in the Final and receive a well deserved All Star for midfield. Suprised by the lack of talk about him here by posters (apart from one or two who also must have been watching him all year)
Rafferty yes.
McKernan played most of the year like a headless chicken and only has one good game (v Kerry) to his name. Garvey? I still wonder how he gets away with it.
Gordon has done well at full back in TWO games - does that make him an All-Star? hmmmmm....
Ambrose has spent more of the year injured than playing although when he has performed he has been the main man.
No, Down might even sneak a Sam but we don't have a lot of All-Star material this year.
Just wonder how many posters would have said at the start of the year that our most consistent and important player would be one who has NO CHANCE of an All-Star? .....
Kalum King.
McKernan was a strong contender for MOM against Sligo and has improved with each game this year. As regards Ambrose if he is fit for the final should we be in it, he will get an All Star provided he performs like we know he can. I am a big fan of Garvey and his tenacious style of play, every team needs a player like him. Kalum is a great, fearless, hard working player who gets stuck in and is very effective at disrupting the oppositions play and deserves a nomination IMO, and while he has been very consistent I would disagree that he is our most important player.
Was McKernan not dropped for the longford or offaly games?
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 19, 2010, 10:28:50 AM
Was McKernan not dropped for the longford or offaly games?
Was that not Mc Colgan?
Couple of points. On what Roscommon deserve? Park the sentiment. Roscommon is a Div 4 team that played like that for all bar one game. Deserving and all as their win was there, it was a tactical victory by the team against a team in paralysis. 3 points from play with silver salver service against a non existent defence and 7 place kicks out of 13 attempts does not make an All Star out of Shine. Gine player yes, nomination yes but is he better and did he do more this year (up to now, and never mind what might be to come) than Martin Clarke, John Doyle, Bernard Brogan, David Kelly, Colm Cooper, Ciaran Sheehan, Eoin Mulligan... and some of those boys have NO chance of an All Star this year
Equally on goalkeeping, Claffey did make a game shaping save in thge Commacht final and played well against Cork but this is the first year in many that there is actual competition for the goalkeeping slot. Of the three teams remaining McVeigh, Cluxton and Quirke have all done particularly well and again by Sept 17 the deeds of July wil be long forgotten.
Thanks for clearing that up paddy if you were you read back you would see that none of the Rossie fans here expect any all stars (just nominations) Shine scored one of the top scoring amounts in the history of Connacht finals & in the 4 Championship games he played he scored a average of 9 points per game, better than any other forward (or be it against lesser teams) been good at place kicks shouldn't be dismissed e.g Joyce in 2001 final & Peter Canavan 1995 final will tell you that
Claffey was excellent in all the Championship games he played & deserve a nomination
Am absolutely convinced Roscommon will get an Allstar this year. Shine won't be far off and there is a strong Rossie element in the media/journalistic waters to throw one their way.
Shine was also very good in U21 grade (even though I think this is discarded ).
It's far too early to say who'll get what, but I would say in a normal year Shine would get one - there have been quite a few stand out forwards this year so he may struggle to get one.
Only 21 and he still has to develop as he looks like he hasn't a muscle on his body - when he does fill out I'd expect to see him further out the field.
He has a bright future ahead of him.
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
I'd say he'd rather have had an All Ireland winners medal though.
Is it much consolation to get POTY when you don't even get to the final? Not saying he doesn't deserve it.
Quote from: Rois on August 22, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
I'd say he'd rather have had an All Ireland winners medal though.
Is it much consolation to get POTY when you don't even get to the final? Not saying he doesn't deserve it.
Totally agree that the AI is the main one and what he wants more than anything but it's still a good honour for a player to have.
Best forward in Ireland bar none IMO...simply unmarkable!
Yep, Bernard had one of those years that Cooper, O'Neill etc have had in the past. Confidence that he could do anything was sky high.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Hard to see it. In the 15 years of the award, a non-finalist has never won Footballer of the Year.
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2010, 06:14:27 PM
Yep, Bernard had one of those years that Cooper, O'Neill etc have had in the past. Confidence that he could do anything was sky high.
O Neill in 05 and Cooper (pretty much any year) would not have failed to put O Gara through on goal or kick two horrible wides when the fat was in the fire.
Quote from: passedit on August 22, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2010, 06:14:27 PM
Yep, Bernard had one of those years that Cooper, O'Neill etc have had in the past. Confidence that he could do anything was sky high.
O Neill in 05 and Cooper (pretty much any year) would not have failed to put O Gara through on goal or kick two horrible wides when the fat was in the fire.
Bollox to you. Best footballer in ireland currently bar none. None. And that includes Cooper.
Bernard Brogan would walk onto any team in Ireland, which says what a player he is. Absolute top class.
Agreed. In my opinion, based on league and champ form there is no-one near him or with the potential to get near him for the POTY award. Incredible player.
I agree, Bernard Brogan should get POTY and I reckon he will. I don't think any Cork player has been consistently outstanding this year and I can't think of anyone from Down or Kildare that fits the bill either though lads who have seen more of those teams might disagree.
Quote from: passedit on August 22, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 22, 2010, 06:14:27 PM
Yep, Bernard had one of those years that Cooper, O'Neill etc have had in the past. Confidence that he could do anything was sky high.
O Neill in 05 and Cooper (pretty much any year) would not have failed to put O Gara through on goal or kick two horrible wides when the fat was in the fire.
O'Neill in 05 hit some chronic wides in succession v Dublin. And would you have put O'Gara through today?
Yeah that's the thing, O'Gara has a lot of positives but contributes very little direstly to the scoreboard, especially today. Brogan knew O'Gara wasn't shooting well and took the shot on himself, understandable in fairness even if he probably should have passed in hindsight.
Quote from: GBXII on August 22, 2010, 08:28:16 PM
Yeah that's the thing, O'Gara has a lot of positives but contributes very little direstly to the scoreboard, especially today. Brogan knew O'Gara wasn't shooting well and took the shot on himself, understandable in fairness even if he probably should have passed in hindsight.
That was one of three chances he had in the last 15 mins to put Cork away and he didn't take any of them. Truly great players don't do that. I've no doubt he'll win POTY but he had a great chance to win an AI for an average team and didn't take it. Any other award will be of scant consolation to him.
Quote from: Zulu on August 22, 2010, 08:20:13 PM
I agree, Bernard Brogan should get POTY and I reckon he will. I don't think any Cork player has been consistently outstanding this year and I can't think of anyone from Down or Kildare that fits the bill either though lads who have seen more of those teams might disagree.
BB was poor enough against Meath and his first half performance against Wexford was awful but in the qualifiers and the last two he has been outstanding.
Daryl Flynn has been Kildare's most consistent player in the championship, definitely our player of the year but I still reckon if Doyle, Kavanagh, Coulter or Clarke put in two back to back performances they'll win it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 22, 2010, 08:51:53 PM
Daryl Flynn has been Kildare's most consistent player in the championship, definitely our player of the year but I still reckon if Doyle, Kavanagh, Coulter or Clarke put in two back to back performances they'll win it.
There's a sentence I never thought I'd hear uttered! :D
Do you disagree DH?
No, I just never thought Flynn would make up into the player that his underage potential suggested he could be. Always thought he was a loose cannon who would cost us - Wasn't it Wexford in the league last year when we hammering them and he lost the head completely for no reason.
He's the most improved footballer in Kildare by a country mile. I take my hat off to the guy.
I see, the turning point I reckon was against Tipp in the league when he got an awful box in the head, it was the first time I never saw him react instead he played on and the linesman reported the punch and the Tipp lad was sent off..
I recall that alright. Didn't he shake the hand of the Tipp lad as he was going off as well?
And not in a smart ass way either, jaysus I hope he plays well next week after this hype
Johnny Doyle will finish the championship as top scorer and cemented his All-Star, O'Callaghan was very good today and added to his player of the month award for July might squeeze one, Kavanagh I think will lose out, can't see any other Kildare ones..
Quote from: AFS on August 22, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Hard to see it. In the 15 years of the award, a non-finalist has never won Footballer of the Year.
Brogan's a cert for player of the year...I cant see who else would deserve it..
I think Kevin McKernan put the lid on his today and Marty Clarke is our other stonewall All Star...a close second to Brogan for Player of the Year.
Johnny Doyle 1-49 deserves a mention but hard to see past Brogan for Footballer of the Year
Quote from: ross4life on August 30, 2010, 03:29:40 AM
Johnny Doyle 1-49 deserves a mention but hard to see past Brogan for Footballer of the Year
Its goes without saying that Doyle will get an All Star....a wee wobble at q final stage (I think) when he couldnt hit a bull in the arse with a banjo...apart from that he's the 4th best forward in Ireland ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 30, 2010, 03:39:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 30, 2010, 03:29:40 AM
Johnny Doyle 1-49 deserves a mention but hard to see past Brogan for Footballer of the Year
Its goes without saying that Doyle will get an All Star....a wee wobble at q final stage (I think) when he couldnt hit a bull in the arse with a banjo...apart from that he's the 4th best forward in Ireland ;) ;) ;) ;)
Who are the top three?
Johnny Doyle has missed some chances this year too so amazing he's been top scorer. I would say the man has hit 30+ wides this year. Shows some character to just put the head down and keep scoring away.
McKernan
Hughes
Coulter
Clarke
King (possible)
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 30, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
Quote from: AFS on August 22, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Hard to see it. In the 15 years of the award, a non-finalist has never won Footballer of the Year.
Brogan's a cert for player of the year...I cant see who else would deserve it..
From what I've seen, Martin Clarke deserves the POTY award more than Brogan.
Quote from: cornafean on August 30, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 30, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
Quote from: AFS on August 22, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Hard to see it. In the 15 years of the award, a non-finalist has never won Footballer of the Year.
Brogan's a cert for player of the year...I cant see who else would deserve it..
From what I've seen, Martin Clarke deserves the POTY award more than Brogan.
i think youre running the run of yourself there. A very good player but Bernard Brogan has been the stand out player of the championship by some distance. Very much dependent on what happens in the final, however i would stick by the point it was being decided today Brogan would win by a landslide
He does in his eye.
If he does win it will be a victory for media hype.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2010, 10:39:09 AM
He does in his eye.
If he does win it will be a victory for media hype.
Media hype about what???
Jinxy is on about Clarke, so put down the key board and back away ;)
Reckon we (Dublin) deserve 2 Allstars............ Brogan and McAuley.
Dead certs imo are Doyle(Ke) , Clarke and McKernan (Dn).
AIF will imo decide 7/8 places.
Doyle
Brogan
Gooch
Coulter
Clarke
Hughes
It would be harsh on any of the above 6 if they are not in the All Star forward line. Kevin McKernan could be 1 big game away from winning 1 at CHB.
Strange thing to say considering they are in the AI final but it's hard to say which Cork players will win All Stars. No one has really stood out consistently in the chamionship for them to date.
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2010, 11:18:43 AM
Reckon we (Dublin) deserve 2 Allstars............ Brogan and McAuley.
Dead certs imo are Doyle(Ke) , Clarke and McKernan (Dn).
AIF will imo decide 7/8 places.
I would imagine that there would be significantly more than. Winners and beaten finalists would usually account for 11-12 most years
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 30, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
Doyle
Brogan
Gooch
Coulter
Clarke
Hughes
It would be harsh on any of the above 6 if they are not in the All Star forward line. Kevin McKernan could be 1 big game away from winning 1 at CHB.
Strange thing to say considering they are in the AI final but it's hard to say which Cork players will win All Stars. No one has really stood out consistently in the chamionship for them to date.
Five of those six play in the FF line. Granted Clarke could be given a HF position as he plays a roving role but the others are out and out FFs. For me Brogan and Doyle will get in. Gooch's exploits will by October when the decisions are made seem distant. Coulter's claims wil rest completely on his All Ireland final performance
Quote from: paddypastit on August 30, 2010, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 30, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
Doyle
Brogan
Gooch
Coulter
Clarke
Hughes
It would be harsh on any of the above 6 if they are not in the All Star forward line. Kevin McKernan could be 1 big game away from winning 1 at CHB.
Strange thing to say considering they are in the AI final but it's hard to say which Cork players will win All Stars. No one has really stood out consistently in the chamionship for them to date.
Five of those six play in the FF line. Granted Clarke could be given a HF position as he plays a roving role but the others are out and out FFs. For me Brogan and Doyle will get in. Gooch's exploits will by October when the decisions are made seem distant. Coulter's claims wil rest completely on his All Ireland final performance
They'll just have to make the positions to fit. Clarke is pretty much CHF no matter what number he has on. Coulter played in the 1/2 forwards for a while against Donegal so we will call him a 1/2 forward ;) too. Although he may take Gooch's position, even though Gooch tried his best to beat Down on his own.
Quote from: cornafean on August 30, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 30, 2010, 03:07:21 AM
Quote from: AFS on August 22, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 22, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
B Brogan probably will get player of the year to go with his all-star
Hard to see it. In the 15 years of the award, a non-finalist has never won Footballer of the Year.
Brogan's a cert for player of the year...I cant see who else would deserve it..
From what I've seen, Martin Clarke deserves the POTY award more than Brogan.
+1
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
and that's coming from a Meathman?!
Quote from: paddypastit on September 12, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
and that's coming from a Meathman?!
It is hard to ignore the Dublin meejah angle here. But I will try.
Quote from: paddypastit on September 12, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
and that's coming from a Meathman?!
We always tell it like it is.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
Couldn't agree more.
Hope Doyle gets one, hes been labouring on his own for Kildare for 10 years . Was more accurate about 5 years ago but always a great player. Would be unfair if he finishes his career without one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 13, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
Couldn't agree more.
Clarke is undoubtedly a very talented player who has got better as the year has gone on. A much more talented player than Kennelly in my opinion and certainly a more humble individual. Clarke has not courted the media in any shape or form since his return. In actual fact he seems to have done very little in the way of interviews and refused to accept the MOTM award from RTE after the semi-final since he thought he didn't deserve it. So to compare him to Kennelly is blatantly unfair.
However I do agree that Brogan is undoubtedly the POTY and he WILL get the award.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2010, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 13, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
Couldn't agree more.
Clarke is undoubtedly a very talented player who has got better as the year has gone on. A much more talented player than Kennelly in my opinion and certainly a more humble individual. Clarke has not courted the media in any shape or form since his return. In actual fact he seems to have done very little in the way of interviews and refused to accept the MOTM award from RTE after the semi-final since he thought he didn't deserve it. So to compare him to Kennelly is blatantly unfair.
However I do agree that Brogan is undoubtedly the POTY and he WILL get the award.
He didn't deserve it.
Danny Hughes did.
This is my point in a nutshell.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2010, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 13, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
Couldn't agree more.
Clarke is undoubtedly a very talented player who has got better as the year has gone on. A much more talented player than Kennelly in my opinion and certainly a more humble individual. Clarke has not courted the media in any shape or form since his return. In actual fact he seems to have done very little in the way of interviews and refused to accept the MOTM award from RTE after the semi-final since he thought he didn't deserve it. So to compare him to Kennelly is blatantly unfair.
However I do agree that Brogan is undoubtedly the POTY and he WILL get the award.
He didn't deserve it.
Danny Hughes did.
This is my point in a nutshell.
Can't argue with that and you may be right that the media are OTT in their praise of Clarke but it is still way more justified than the Kennelly hype. Clarke will be the most talented player on the field on Sunday and he is only 22. After that the hype will begin about whether he is Oz bound again, and I expect that he will.
Clarke has been a revelation to those of us who were not aware of his talents, it does not do him justice to strip pieces of his play out of the context of a high pressure game and try to make them appear ordinary.
ATM my poty would be Bernard Brogan, it is rare that you can use all the superlatives to describe a player with and still not have enough.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
That's the thing with Clarke he very rarely tries to do anything spectacular with the ball. He won't try to kick the ball 60 yards over 2 players heads with a bit of backspin on the ball to stop it going over the sideline. He just looks up and sees who is moving and in front of there man and passes the ball to them accurately and then looks for the return. For the pass to Fitzpatrick he was 35 yards out and in space, he probably had a 75% chance of kicking it over himself but he saw Fitzpatrick running towards the 14 yard line in front of his man and passed it to him for an almost certain score. You could say surely every 1/2 decent club player would have done the same? Try watching the last 15 minutes of the Dublin Cork match again, Bernard Brogan gets the ball about 35 yards out in the same position and O'Gara (I think) loses his man and all it needed was a simple fist pass or dink over the top and he was clean through, almost guaranteed a score with a possibility of a goal, instead he goes for a shot of his left foot. Small things like that are the difference between winning and losing tight matches. Also well into injury time in the Cork game and he sticks the ball over the bar and the ref then blew his full time whistle, surely a junior club player would ask the ref how long was left before taking a kick like that instead of worrying that Johnny Doyle might catch him in the race to be top point scorer.
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 13, 2010, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Remember the pass from Clarke into Fitzpatrick in the 2nd half against Kildare?
A good pass that the midfielder took in his stride and blazed over the bar.
Now I read a couple of articles on the Monday where journalists hailed this as an unbelievable piece of vision (Tom Humphries was one).
A 20 yard pace to a man in acres of space in front of goal does not take vision.
It just takes common sense and in fact there was a far better cross-field pass with the outside of the boot for a Kildare point in the first half but little or no mention of the player involved.
This is a perfect example of the hype that surrounds Clarke.
And if he were to win POTY on the back of this Kennelly-esque media worship then Bernard Brogan will have been robbed, plain and simple.
That's the thing with Clarke he very rarely tries to do anything spectacular with the ball. He won't try to kick the ball 60 yards over 2 players heads with a bit of backspin on the ball to stop it going over the sideline. He just looks up and sees who is moving and in front of there man and passes the ball to them accurately and then looks for the return. For the pass to Fitzpatrick he was 35 yards out and in space, he probably had a 75% chance of kicking it over himself but he saw Fitzpatrick running towards the 14 yard line in front of his man and passed it to him for an almost certain score. You could say surely every 1/2 decent club player would have done the same? Try watching the last 15 minutes of the Dublin Cork match again, Bernard Brogan gets the ball about 35 yards out in the same position and O'Gara (I think) loses his man and all it needed was a simple fist pass or dink over the top and he was clean through, almost guaranteed a score with a possibility of a goal, instead he goes for a shot of his left foot. Small things like that are the difference between winning and losing tight matches. Also well into injury time in the Cork game and he sticks the ball over the bar and the ref then blew his full time whistle, surely a junior club player would ask the ref how long was left before taking a kick like that instead of worrying that Johnny Doyle might catch him in the race to be top point scorer.
Brogan doesn't have the luxury of having other forwards on his team that can actually score.
Clarke was superb in the semi final and to a lesser extent the quarter but almost marker absent against Tyrone in ulster semi....Brogan deserves POTY in my opinion, has carried Dublin scoring threat all on his own, only game he didnt score a hatful was aginst Louth I think.
And us.
But hey, he's only human.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
Quote from: passedit on September 14, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 14, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 14, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
Brogan cost Dublin a place in the final? :D
Quote from: passedit on September 14, 2010, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 14, 2010, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 14, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
If Clarke has good AI Final hes a shoe-in and deservadly so!!
Has a player ever won POTY without apperaring in the final?
Quote from: southdown on September 14, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Has a player ever won POTY without apperaring in the final?
Tony Browne in 1998
2009 Tomás Ó Sé Kerry An Gaeltacht Played right-half back
2008 Sean Cavanagh Tyrone Moy Played at full forward
2007 Marc Ó Sé Kerry An Ghaeltacht Corner back
2006 Kieran Donaghy Kerry Austin Stacks Full Forward
2005 Stephen O'Neill Tyrone Clan Na Gael Full Forward
2004 Colm Cooper Kerry Dr Crokes Corner Forward
2003 Peter Canavan Tyrone Eirigail Ciaran Full Forward
2002 Kieran McGeeney Armagh Na Fianna Centre Back
2001 Padraig Joyce Galway Kilererin Full Forward
2000 Séamus Moynihan Kerry Glenflesk Centre Back
1999 Trevor Giles Meath Skryne Centre Forward
1998 Michael Donnellan Galway Dunmore Wing Forward
1997 Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Corner Forward
1996 Martin O'Connell Meath St. Michaels Wing Back
1995 Paul Curran Dublin Thomas Davis Wing Back
1994 Mickey Linden Down Mayobridge Corner Forward
1993 Henry Downey Derry Lavey GAC Centre Forward
1992 Martin McHugh Donegal Kilcar Centre Forward
1991 Colm O'Rourke Meath Skryne One of only two winners to win, despite their county not winning that year's All-Ireland.
1990 Shea Fahy Cork Nemo Rangers
1989 Teddy McCarthy Cork Glanmire
1988 Robbie O'Malley Meath St Colmcille's
1987 Brian Stafford Meath Kilmainhamwood Full Forward
1986 Pat Spillane Kerry Templenoe Wing Forward, second win.
1985 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, fourth win.
1984 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, third win.
1983 Tommy Drumm Dublin
1982 Martin Furlong Offaly Goalkeeper
1981 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, second win.
1980 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield
1979 Mikey Sheehy Kerry Austin Stacks Corner Forward
1978 Pat Spillane Kerry Templenoe Wing Forward
1977 Jimmy Keaveney Dublin St Vincents Full Forward, second win.
1976 Jimmy Keaveney Dublin St Vincents Full Forward
1975 John O'Keeffe Kerry Austin Stacks Full Back
1974 Kevin Heffernan Dublin St Vincents The only person to be awarded this award while not a player but a manager.
1973 Billy Morgan Cork Nemo Rangers Goalkeeper
1972 Willie Bryan Offaly
1971 Eugene Mulligan Offaly Rhode
1970 Tom Prendergast Kerry Keel
1969 Mick O'Dwyer Kerry Waterville Wing Forward
1968 Seán O'Neill Down Newry Mitchel's
1967 Bertie Cunningham Meath Ballivor
1966 Mattie McDonagh Galway Ballygar
1965 Martin Newall Galway ??
1964 Noel Tierney Galway ??
1963 Lar Foley Dublin St Vincents
1962 Mick O'Connell Kerry Young Islanders Midfield
1961 James McCartan (Sr.) Down ?? Second win.
1960 James McCartan (Sr.) Down ??
1959 Seán Murphy Kerry Camp
1958 Jim McKeever Derry Ballymaguigan Inaugural winner. One of only two winners to win, despite their county not winning that year's
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1961 James McCartan (Sr.) Down Glenn Second win.
1960 James McCartan (Sr.) Down Glenn
Re Bernard Brogan and Martin Clarke....both fabulous players and an absolute pleasure to watch. Clarke has had an incredible 1st year in a senior championship. Brogan has had an incredible championship also, with much more weight on his shoulders than MC
Pearce O'Neill, another damn fine player could be the difference on Sunday
should be a belter
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2009 Tomás Ó Sé Kerry An Gaeltacht Played right-half back
2008 Sean Cavanagh Tyrone Moy Played at full forward
2007 Marc Ó Sé Kerry An Ghaeltacht Corner back
2006 Kieran Donaghy Kerry Austin Stacks Full Forward
2005 Stephen O'Neill Tyrone Clan Na Gael Full Forward
2004 Colm Cooper Kerry Dr Crokes Corner Forward
2003 Peter Canavan Tyrone Eirigail Ciaran Full Forward
2002 Kieran McGeeney Armagh Na Fianna Centre Back
2001 Padraig Joyce Galway Kilererin Full Forward
2000 Séamus Moynihan Kerry Glenflesk Centre Back
1999 Trevor Giles Meath Skryne Centre Forward
1998 Michael Donnellan Galway Dunmore Wing Forward
1997 Maurice Fitzgerald Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Corner Forward
1996 Martin O'Connell Meath St. Michaels Wing Back
1995 Paul Curran Dublin Thomas Davis Wing Back
1994 Mickey Linden Down Mayobridge Corner Forward
1993 Henry Downey Derry Lavey GAC Centre Forward
1992 Martin McHugh Donegal Kilcar Centre Forward
1991 Colm O'Rourke Meath Skryne One of only two winners to win, despite their county not winning that year's All-Ireland.
1990 Shea Fahy Cork Nemo Rangers
1989 Teddy McCarthy Cork Glanmire
1988 Robbie O'Malley Meath St Colmcille's
1987 Brian Stafford Meath Kilmainhamwood Full Forward
1986 Pat Spillane Kerry Templenoe Wing Forward, second win.
1985 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, fourth win.
1984 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, third win.
1983 Tommy Drumm Dublin
1982 Martin Furlong Offaly Goalkeeper
1981 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield, second win.
1980 Jack O'Shea Kerry St. Mary's Cahirciveen Midfield
1979 Mikey Sheehy Kerry Austin Stacks Corner Forward
1978 Pat Spillane Kerry Templenoe Wing Forward
1977 Jimmy Keaveney Dublin St Vincents Full Forward, second win.
1976 Jimmy Keaveney Dublin St Vincents Full Forward
1975 John O'Keeffe Kerry Austin Stacks Full Back
1974 Kevin Heffernan Dublin St Vincents The only person to be awarded this award while not a player but a manager.
1973 Billy Morgan Cork Nemo Rangers Goalkeeper
1972 Willie Bryan Offaly
1971 Eugene Mulligan Offaly Rhode
1970 Tom Prendergast Kerry Keel
1969 Mick O'Dwyer Kerry Waterville Wing Forward
1968 Seán O'Neill Down Newry Mitchel's
1967 Bertie Cunningham Meath Ballivor
1966 Mattie McDonagh Galway Ballygar
1965 Martin Newall Galway ??
1964 Noel Tierney Galway ??
1963 Lar Foley Dublin St Vincents
1962 Mick O'Connell Kerry Young Islanders Midfield
1961 James McCartan (Sr.) Down ?? Second win.
1960 James McCartan (Sr.) Down ??
1959 Seán Murphy Kerry Camp
1958 Jim McKeever Derry Ballymaguigan Inaugural winner. One of only two winners to win, despite their county not winning that year's
Did Stevie McDonnell not win it in 2003?
And I thought Peter Canavan got it in 1995?
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And I thought Peter Canavan got it in 1995?
Paul Curran was the Texaco footballer of the year (original competition) - Canavan won footballer of the year - as Stevie McDonnell in 2003 - it's only around since the mid 90's..
Really, if the GAA are giving out awards for GAA in the year, then the club championship should be included. Kevin McGourty should be considered. He won ST Galls's the All-Ireland and it was a remarkable feet. He then came on against Tyrone and did more harm to Tyrone on his own than Down did in their game against Tyrone. He came on and showed Sean Kavanagh what a footballer is and Sean was never the same again for the rest of the year, as if he was sufering from nightmares.
Kevin McGourty should be recognised not only for an All-Star but possibly POTY. Should he be penalied because his team were not good and he went to America?
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And I thought Peter Canavan got it in 1995?
Paul Curran was the Texaco footballer of the year (original competition) - Canavan won footballer of the year - as Stevie McDonnell in 2003 - it's only around since the mid 90's..
Yeah there were other differences in the awards - Meehan got the All Star footballer of the year in 2001, Fallon in 1998 and Giles 1996. I think the All Star award has generally went to the more deserving player- Canavan definitely deserved it in 1995 but McDonnell was head and shoulders above him in 2003.
Quote from: Olly on September 15, 2010, 09:51:31 AM
Really, if the GAA are giving out awards for GAA in the year, then the club championship should be included. Kevin McGourty should be considered. He won ST Galls's the All-Ireland and it was a remarkable feet. He then came on against Tyrone and did more harm to Tyrone on his own than Down did in their game against Tyrone. He came on and showed Sean Kavanagh what a footballer is and Sean was never the same again for the rest of the year, as if he was sufering from nightmares.
Kevin McGourty should be recognised not only for an All-Star but possibly POTY. Should he be penalied because his team were not good and he went to America?
These are all good points.
Quote from: Olly on September 15, 2010, 09:51:31 AM
Really, if the GAA are giving out awards for GAA in the year, then the club championship should be included. Kevin McGourty should be considered. He won ST Galls's the All-Ireland and it was a remarkable feet. He then came on against Tyrone and did more harm to Tyrone on his own than Down did in their game against Tyrone. He came on and showed Sean Kavanagh what a footballer is and Sean was never the same again for the rest of the year, as if he was sufering from nightmares.
Kevin McGourty should be recognised not only for an All-Star but possibly POTY. Should he be penalied because his team were not good and he went to America?
Good points Kevin :D
Thanks lads, it's good to get a bit of respect and tolerance on here for once. I would be tempted to start a McGourty for All-Star campaign but it would be hijacked probably by angry heads. Is there any way of writing to someone about this?
I've already emailed Frank Mitchell and Ray Silke about this just in case they're in the inner circle.
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And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
Can I have some of the drugs please?
The single best footballer in Ireland at present is Bernard Brogan.
The next time you score 1-7 from play in an All-Ireland Semi Final come back and talk to us. Until then stop making an eejit of yourself nit-picking. I saw Matt Connor score 2-9 in 1981 against kerry. The single best display i've ever seen. They lost by 4 points. Matt kicked 3 wides. I suppose
Matt should take the blame for that defeat as well. Mystery solved.
Dublin didn't win the All-Ireland this year becasue Bernard didn't play well enough. Its been a month since the game and I hadn't figured out why we lost. Thanks for that. We now have our scapegoat. I expect the Herald will do the rest.
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And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
Can I have some of the drugs please?
The single best footballer in Ireland at present is Bernard Brogan.
The next time you score 1-7 from play in an All-Ireland Semi Final come back and talk to us. Until then stop making an eejit of yourself nit-picking. I saw Matt Connor score 2-9 in 1981 against kerry. The single best display i've ever seen. They lost by 4 points. Matt kicked 3 wides. I suppose
Matt should take the blame for that defeat as well. Mystery solved.
Dublin didn't win the All-Ireland this year becasue Bernard didn't play well enough. Its been a month since the game and I hadn't figured out why we lost. Thanks for that. We now have our scapegoat. I expect the Herald will do the rest.
Not a scapegoat but he made mistakes which contributed to why Dublin lost. Not passing to a team mate in a much better position, taking a point when time was up and they needed a goal, going for speculative shots instead of keeping possession and trying to get a better chance when 3 or 4 up. Cork will be dangerous in the final but Dublin should have had them out of sight before the final whistle. I hate all the crap you get from the Dubs about them exceeding expectations, this time next year (as Del Boy would say) .... this time next year Tyrone will be back, Kerry could well find a few new players, Kildare will have a point to prove, Down might even not be 1 season wonders. They will be kicking themselves when they watch the semi final again, Brogan might take a few different options if in the same position again.
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And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
Can I have some of the drugs please?
The single best footballer in Ireland at present is Bernard Brogan.
The next time you score 1-7 from play in an All-Ireland Semi Final come back and talk to us. Until then stop making an eejit of yourself nit-picking. I saw Matt Connor score 2-9 in 1981 against kerry. The single best display i've ever seen. They lost by 4 points. Matt kicked 3 wides. I suppose
Matt should take the blame for that defeat as well. Mystery solved.
Dublin didn't win the All-Ireland this year becasue Bernard didn't play well enough. Its been a month since the game and I hadn't figured out why we lost. Thanks for that. We now have our scapegoat. I expect the Herald will do the rest.
Not a scapegoat but he made mistakes which contributed to why Dublin lost. Not passing to a team mate in a much better position, taking a point when time was up and they needed a goal, going for speculative shots instead of keeping possession and trying to get a better chance when 3 or 4 up. Cork will be dangerous in the final but Dublin should have had them out of sight before the final whistle. I hate all the crap you get from the Dubs about them exceeding expectations, this time next year (as Del Boy would say) .... this time next year Tyrone will be back, Kerry could well find a few new players, Kildare will have a point to prove, Down might even not be 1 season wonders. They will be kicking themselves when they watch the semi final again, Brogan might take a few different options if in the same position again.
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
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As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
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And us.
But hey, he's only human.
So who actually did he play well against? remember that he shit in the nest last 15 agin Cork as well.
No he didn't.
He destroyed several different markers in the Armagh, Tyrone & Cork games.
It's laughable that anyone would even suggest Clarke deserves POTY ahead of him.
I suggest you watch the last 15 mins of that game again. Two horrible wides and two schoolboy wrong options cost Dublin the game. For the record I think Clarke needs a big game in the final to swing it as he didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the last few minutes against Kildare either but to give player of the year to someone who not only didn't make the final but actually cost his team their place there is 'laughable'.
Can I have some of the drugs please?
The single best footballer in Ireland at present is Bernard Brogan.
The next time you score 1-7 from play in an All-Ireland Semi Final come back and talk to us. Until then stop making an eejit of yourself nit-picking. I saw Matt Connor score 2-9 in 1981 against kerry. The single best display i've ever seen. They lost by 4 points. Matt kicked 3 wides. I suppose
Matt should take the blame for that defeat as well. Mystery solved.
Dublin didn't win the All-Ireland this year becasue Bernard didn't play well enough. Its been a month since the game and I hadn't figured out why we lost. Thanks for that. We now have our scapegoat. I expect the Herald will do the rest.
Not a scapegoat but he made mistakes which contributed to why Dublin lost. Not passing to a team mate in a much better position, taking a point when time was up and they needed a goal, going for speculative shots instead of keeping possession and trying to get a better chance when 3 or 4 up. Cork will be dangerous in the final but Dublin should have had them out of sight before the final whistle. I hate all the crap you get from the Dubs about them exceeding expectations, this time next year (as Del Boy would say) .... this time next year Tyrone will be back, Kerry could well find a few new players, Kildare will have a point to prove, Down might even not be 1 season wonders. They will be kicking themselves when they watch the semi final again, Brogan might take a few different options if in the same position again.
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
The Dubs are just jealous they are not in the AI final. Fact.
Brogan possibly deserves his POTY. If Marty Clarke gets MOTM in the final like he did in the quarter final and semi final and Down win then Brogan can have his POTY. We will try not to get too jealous.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 16, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
Are you saying that Cosgrove bottled it in 2002?
He hit the post with a free FFS.
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Are you saying that Cosgrove bottled it in 2002?
He hit the post with a free FFS.
He hit the post with a free from about the 21 yard line from just left of the posts. He would never normally miss such an easy free. Of course he bottled it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cosgrove-wants-dubs-to-erase-memory-of-missed-free-in-2002-loss-to-armagh-2262641.html
Ah, that free. As a joking aside, you tell him that nobody remembers the 20-yard gimme he missed against Kildare in the Leinster final. Of course they don't. Nor the six other points he scored as Dublin and Armagh jostled to the limit.
When Kieran McGeeney fouled him, Cosgrove snatched the ball from Darren Homan. Dublin were a point down. "Let me have it," he said. From that moment, every other positive thought evacuated his body. The next sight he saw was white ball caroming off white post.
"I was a little bit too cautious," he recalls. "I was kicking well that day. I erred on the side of caution. Instead of kicking through, I just put too much curl on it, I was a little bit too much side-on compared to the others. Them's the breaks, as the fellah says."
Unless my memory is playing tricks that free was a lot further out than the 21 yard line.
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Are you saying that Cosgrove bottled it in 2002?
He hit the post with a free FFS.
He hit the post with a free from about the 21 yard line from just left of the posts. He would never normally miss such an easy free. Of course he bottled it.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cosgrove-wants-dubs-to-erase-memory-of-missed-free-in-2002-loss-to-armagh-2262641.html
Ah, that free. As a joking aside, you tell him that nobody remembers the 20-yard gimme he missed against Kildare in the Leinster final. Of course they don't. Nor the six other points he scored as Dublin and Armagh jostled to the limit.
When Kieran McGeeney fouled him, Cosgrove snatched the ball from Darren Homan. Dublin were a point down. "Let me have it," he said. From that moment, every other positive thought evacuated his body. The next sight he saw was white ball caroming off white post.
"I was a little bit too cautious," he recalls. "I was kicking well that day. I erred on the side of caution. Instead of kicking through, I just put too much curl on it, I was a little bit too much side-on compared to the others. Them's the breaks, as the fellah says."
Pretty sure that's not right.
And he was a good 30 yards out at least.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
Unless my memory is playing tricks that free was a lot further out than the 21 yard line.
Can't find any pictures of the free but I was exaggerating a bit, I thought it was between 25 and 30 yards out. It was still an easy free by his standards.
It was about 4 yards from the 21 and 10 yards to the left of the posts making it 28 yards out as the crow flies.
I notcied some Armagh player came to within about 4 yards of Cosgrave while the ball was being kicked with 2 others in close proximity, no doubt a few verbals were thrown in as well.
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As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
Strike forwards
Gooch
Berno
Mc Donnell
O Neill when fit
Mick Meehan
Coulter
etc
The players who are judged in terms of scores per chances. Most of the best teams have one. A team that doesn't have one rarely wins major honours.
A player who puts the fear of god in the opposition when he gets the ball.
When they get the ball there's probably a 90 odd % chance something will come off it.
Bernard Brogan best example of it this year...
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A player who puts the fear of god in the opposition when he gets the ball.
When they get the ball there's probably a 90 odd % chance something will come off it.
Bernard Brogan best example of it this year...
So you are saying a forward has to win it?
Didn't say that. Just adding to Indiana's definition of a "strike" forward. I'd just use the word class mind.
Last year someone like Canty would have been candidate for player of year. I don't think any defenders have been stand out enough this year.
Canty, Tomas / Marc O'Se and a few boys like that have been stand out enough from defense to get POTY. Midfield, since Dara O'Se, hasn't really had anyone outstanding enough to win POTY either.
It's probably harder for defenders to win it now given defense is more a team effort than one on one. Attacking defenders would be the ones who stand out.
Mind you if Tyrone had stayed in potentially the McMahons could have been in for it - well more Joe as I thought he dictated games at times.
Bearno player of the year...
MC too much hype not enough substance for my liking, Down needed a leader today and he couldn't find a way out of Noel O'Learys pocket..
All-Stars should have a good spread this year...Donnacha O'Connor, Sheilds and Aidan Walsh nailed theirs today, Cadogan and O'Leary made big cases as well...
If Aidan Walsh learns how to kick the ball over the winter he'll be some player next year.
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If Aidan Walsh learns how to kick the ball over the winter he'll be some player next year.
How old is he btw?
He's only 19/20 I think.
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He's only 19/20 I think.
Jaysus, some future ahead of him..
I think danny Hughes nailed an all star after today, never stopped trying
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I think danny Hughes nailed an all star after today, never stopped trying
He should be a cert but he could lose out. In my opinion Down's most effective forward this year.
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I think danny Hughes nailed an all star after today, never stopped trying
He should be a cert but he could lose out. In my opinion Down's most effective forward this year.
Could lose out to who? He was definitely a contender for man of the match today.
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Bearno player of the year...
MC too much hype not enough substance for my liking, Down needed a leader today and he couldn't find a way out of Noel O'Learys pocket..
All-Stars should have a good spread this year...Donnacha O'Connor, Sheilds and Aidan Walsh nailed theirs today, Cadogan and O'Leary made big cases as well...
Really, Cadogan? Couldnt see it at all. That was his first ever championship start for Cork and wasnt overly impressive in his substitute appearances against Kerry.
The 2010 GAA Football All Stars nominees are: goalkeepers - Alan Quirke (Cork), Brendan McVeigh (Down), Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
full-backs - Michael Shields (Cork), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Peter Kelly (Kildare), Charlie Harrison (Sligo), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Dan Gordon (Down), John O'Brien (Louth), Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
half-backs - Paudie Kissane (Cork), Kevin McKernan (Down), Philip Jordan (Tyrone), Emmet Bolton (Kildare),
Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry), Graham Canty (Cork), Noel O'Leary (Cork), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
midfielders - Aidan Walsh (Cork), Paddy Keenan (Louth), Michael D Macauley (Dublin), John Galvin (Limerick), Kalum King (Down), Nicholas Murphy (Cork)
half-forwards - Paddy Kelly (Cork), Daniel Hughes (Down), Graham Reilly (Meath), Martin Clarke (Down), Joe Sheridan (Meath), John Doyle (Kildare), Paul Kerrigan (Cork), Seamus Kenny (Meath), Cathal Cregg (Roscommon),
full-forwards - Daniel Goulding (Cork), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Donie Shine (Roscommon), Colm Cooper (Kerry), Donncha O'Connor (Cork), David Kelly (Sligo), Benny Coulter (Down), James Kavanagh (Kildare), Padraic Joyce (Galway).
Disappointed Claffey didn't get nominated but surprised with Cathal Cregg
A few lines on each player
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/23/vodafone-2010-gaa-football-all-stars-nominations/
Surprised only one limerick player
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A few lines on each player
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/09/23/vodafone-2010-gaa-football-all-stars-nominations/
Surprised only one limerick player
Wrong info on Justin McMahon.
What's the odds on Sheridan getting and All Star?
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The 2010 GAA Football All Stars nominees are: goalkeepers - Alan Quirke (Cork), Brendan McVeigh (Down), Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
full-backs - Michael Shields (Cork), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Peter Kelly (Kildare), Charlie Harrison (Sligo), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Dan Gordon (Down), John O'Brien (Louth), Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
half-backs - Paudie Kissane (Cork), Kevin McKernan (Down), Philip Jordan (Tyrone), Emmet Bolton (Kildare),
Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry), Graham Canty (Cork), Noel O'Leary (Cork), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
midfielders - Aidan Walsh (Cork), Paddy Keenan (Louth), Michael D Macauley (Dublin), John Galvin (Limerick), Kalum King (Down), Nicholas Murphy (Cork)
half-forwards - Paddy Kelly (Cork), Daniel Hughes (Down), Graham Reilly (Meath), Martin Clarke (Down), Joe Sheridan (Meath), John Doyle (Kildare), Paul Kerrigan (Cork), Seamus Kenny (Meath), Cathal Cregg (Roscommon),
full-forwards - Daniel Goulding (Cork), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Donie Shine (Roscommon), Colm Cooper (Kerry), Donncha O'Connor (Cork), David Kelly (Sligo), Benny Coulter (Down), James Kavanagh (Kildare), Padraic Joyce (Galway).
Disappointed Claffey didn't get nominated but surprised with Cathal Cregg
Cathal Creggs nomination is joke, he played one good game and gets one, FFS costello played several good ones and was way more deserving imo.
I would of given Donovan the nod ahead of Harrison, Donovan is a better defender by a fair bit, Harrisons bursts forward mask his frailities.
Kelly and Shine are deservng and Shine shouldnt be too far away from young player of the yr.
Hope Galvin, Keenan, Doyle and Coulter get one.
Yes forgot about costello! his best game was in the Connacht final, clearly the Gaa didn't what to nominate any more than 2 players from Sligo/Roscommon & Donovan was better
Quote from: ross4life on September 23, 2010, 12:58:57 AM
Yes forgot about costello! his best game was in the Connacht final, clearly the Gaa didn't what to nominate any more than 2 players from Sligo/Roscommon & Donovan was better
If that was there thinking i would of had Claffey in ahead of mcconnell, and donovan ahead of Harrison, and cregg out altogether. I doubt any will get anyways but it just to me shows there lack of knowledge of the game.
How does all this work anyway, who are the selectors? How many people pick the allstars, is it majority rules?
Funny thing when watching the Sunday Game, and team of the yr, is all the players, managers tell you the Sunday game doesnt matter and that panellists havent a clue, but yet when team of yr is pick all the Cork players glued to the big screen in the burlington. When things are going great the pandering and validation seeking is full flow.
I'll be surprised if any Connacht man gets a All star this year but at least they got recognized unlike the Sunday game panel
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Quote from: AFS on September 16, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 16, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Delighted for Donie and Cregg. Cregg had a fine connacht semi scoring 2 great points and a brilliant final. He had a massive hard working AI semi before he ran out of steam and was substituted. Claffey the keeper unlucky not to get a nomination. Very authoritive with some fine saves and clever kick outs all season.
The omission of Sligo's Alan Costelloe is quite simply a disgrace. How could he be deemed not worthy of even a nomination. Apart from the Connacht final which he single handedly nearly won for Sligo he had a brilliant drawn match v Galway in the semi and before that he was the driving force when they took out Mayo. The main hallmark of his season was spectacular long distance shooting.... a welcome but rarely seen answer to massed defences.
Its pretty obvious there was little research put in to these nominations and little respect for Connacht football. Hope Joyce nails a 4th one but going on this I doubt it.
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 23, 2010, 09:11:35 AM
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
Cant see McKernan getting one and Marty Clarke will be ahead of Kerrigan. Galvin of Limerick might get one of the midfield slots.
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2010, 09:23:38 AM
Cant see McKernan getting one and Marty Clarke will be ahead of Kerrigan. Galvin of Limerick might get one of the midfield slots.
Why not? I think he's a certainty.
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2010, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 23, 2010, 09:11:35 AM
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
Cant see McKernan getting one and Marty Clarke will be ahead of Kerrigan. Galvin of Limerick might get one of the midfield slots.
maybe a bit of tyrone bias, but surely jordan has to get one?
was the best half back this year by a country mile.
never gave marty clarke, who is being touted by some as POTY , a kick of it in the down game and was excellent all year.
although i think justy is the best full back in the country, i'd say jordan is more deserving of a place this year on performances.(tyrone wont get 2 and may well get none)
michael shields had a good final which might see him get in.
thought ross o'carroll was excellent all year at FB though
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 23, 2010, 05:19:25 AM
Quote from: passedit on September 16, 2010, 09:55:56 AM
Quote from: AFS on September 16, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 16, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Considering they scored 15 points on the back of a well beaten midfield, I can have no complaints about any of the forwards who started on sunday for Down. If you're implying that he blew his chance of player of the year, I don't think he was ever in the running for it. Brogan will now win it by default, however considering the Cork buck got MOM on sunday for kickin frees, he might get it for kickin frees all year.
When did McKernan actually start getting his place on the down team? was it the all ireland quarter final?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 23, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
When did McKernan actually start getting his place on the down team? was it the all ireland quarter final?
He started against Sligo and Longford before that.
Edit: And Donegal and Tyrone. The Downers might correct me here, but as far as I can see the only game he didn't start for them this year was the Offaly one.
Quote9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
If Martin Clarke gets young player of the year then id go with your 9-15 Dinny ...I'd give one to Galvin in midfield but think Walsh might get it .
The back line is hard enough to call though I do think McVeigh and McKernan should make it.
Quote from: AFS on September 23, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 23, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
When did McKernan actually start getting his place on the down team? was it the all ireland quarter final?
He started against Sligo and Longford before that.
Edit: And Donegal and Tyrone. The Downers might correct me here, but as far as I can see the only game he didn't start for them this year was the Offaly one.
Maybe against Sligo, but not sure about longford?
Going by this, he did. They didn't manage to get his name right, though.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0710/down_longford.html
It was only about the Longford game he started at CHB.
He may have started before but not at 6. Seemed to be at 6 where he made the impact.
11 from Cork including Nicholas Murphy. 7 from Down, 5 from Kildare, 4 each for Dubs and Tyrone. Surprised at Murphy being nominated.
No complaints about Dublin representation. Think we will get 2 Brogan and McAuley. McMahon in with a strong shout of a 3d but think Meath game will be held against him.
Honestly think Cluxton didn't deserve the nomination this year.
Joe Sheridan should get an allstar for services to rugby.
2010 GAA Football All-Stars nominations:
Goalkeepers
Alan Quirke (Cork), Brendan McVeigh (Down), Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
Full-backs
Michael Shields (Cork), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Peter Kelly (Kildare), Charlie Harrison (Sligo), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Dan Gordon (Down), John O'Brien (Louth), Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
Half-backs
Paudie Kissane (Cork), Kevin McKernan (Down), Philip Jordan (Tyrone), Emmet Bolton (Kildare), Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry), Graham Canty (Cork), Noel O'Leary (Cork), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
Midfielders
Aidan Walsh (Cork), Paddy Keenan (Louth), Michael D Macauley (Dublin), John Galvin (Limerick), Kalum King (Down), Nicholas Murphy (Cork)
Half-forwards
Paddy Kelly (Cork), Daniel Hughes (Down), Graham Reilly (Meath), Martin Clarke (Down), Joe Sheridan (Meath), John Doyle (Kildare), Paul Kerrigan (Cork), Seamus Kenny (Meath), Cathal Cregg (Roscommon)
Full-forwards
Daniel Goulding (Cork), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Donie Shine (Roscommon), Colm Cooper (Kerry), Donncha O'Connor (Cork), David Kelly (Sligo), Benny Coulter (Down), James Kavanagh (Kildare), Padraic Joyce (Galway)
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2010, 10:48:23 AM
Joe Sheridan should get an allstar for services to rugby.
2010 GAA Football All-Stars nominations:
Goalkeepers
Alan Quirke (Cork), Brendan McVeigh (Down), Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
Full-backs
Michael Shields (Cork), Rory O'Carroll (Dublin), Peter Kelly (Kildare), Charlie Harrison (Sligo), Philip McMahon (Dublin), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Dan Gordon (Down), John O'Brien (Louth), Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
Half-backs
Paudie Kissane (Cork), Kevin McKernan (Down), Philip Jordan (Tyrone), Emmet Bolton (Kildare), Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry), Graham Canty (Cork), Noel O'Leary (Cork), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
Midfielders
Aidan Walsh (Cork), Paddy Keenan (Louth), Michael D Macauley (Dublin), John Galvin (Limerick), Kalum King (Down), Nicholas Murphy (Cork)
Half-forwards
Paddy Kelly (Cork), Daniel Hughes (Down), Graham Reilly (Meath), Martin Clarke (Down), Joe Sheridan (Meath), John Doyle (Kildare), Paul Kerrigan (Cork), Seamus Kenny (Meath), Cathal Cregg (Roscommon)
Full-forwards
Daniel Goulding (Cork), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Donie Shine (Roscommon), Colm Cooper (Kerry), Donncha O'Connor (Cork), David Kelly (Sligo), Benny Coulter (Down), James Kavanagh (Kildare), Padraic Joyce (Galway)
OK, I'll go first now that the nominations are announced. I'm going to ignore the fact that AI winners normally get at least 6.
G - McVeigh (Down)
FB Line
Shields (Cork)
Kelly (Kildare)
O'Caroll (Dublin)
HB Line
McKernan (Down)
McMahon (Tyrone)
Bolton (Kildare)
MF
Walsh (Cork)
Keenan (Louth)
HF
Hughes (Down)
Clarke (Down)
Doyle (Kildare) ----- (Graham Reilly should get one here. Doyle should be a nominee inside)
FF
Brogan (Dublin)
O'Connor (Cork)
Coulter (Down)
3 all stars for the AI champions and 5 for the losers -----------will never happen
Goalkeeper
Brendan McVeigh (Down)
Full-backs
Michael Shields (Cork)
Peter Kelly (Kildare),
Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
Half-backs
Philip Jordan (Tyrone)
Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry)
Kevin McKernan (Down)
Midfielders
Paddy Keenan (Louth)
John Galvin (Limerick)
Half-forwards
Daniel Hughes (Down)
Graham Reilly (Meath)
Martin Clarke (Down)
Full-forwards
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Donncha O'Connor (Cork)
David Kelly (Sligo)
I had my team picked when I saw I only had one cork man on it, had to take cooper out and stick in o'connor to avoid total ridicule.
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
I would rate:
Martin Penrose of Tyrone (who had an outstanding season, putting up big scores from play and frees and unbelievable workrate),
Steven McDonnell of Armagh (who did not put a foot wrong all year, effectively won a league for his team and was the standout performer in their qualifier run and put in some huge scores),
Michael Murphy of Donegal (who single handedly dragged Donegal to the All Ireland u21 final with some unbelievable displays)
I would also opine that
Paul McComesky (Down) - consistently put in scoring performances right up to the final (working himself to a standstill and getting usually subbed in the final quarter consistent with Wee James policy of bringing on fresh scoring forwards)
Conor McManus (Monaghan) - awesome in the league and unmarkable in matches leading up to Ulster Final (esp vs Armagh on a very good player in Brendan Donaghy)
Shane O'Rourke (Meath)
....had much better years (and championships) that Padraig Joyce.
Quote from: Donkeywalloper on September 23, 2010, 11:26:58 AM
3 all stars for the AI champions and 5 for the losers -----------will never happen
I know. I said I would pick my team ignoring that pattern. It's not my prediction for All Stars. I'm sure their team will have the requisite numbers of Cork and Down men.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: Donkeywalloper on September 23, 2010, 11:26:58 AM
3 all stars for the AI champions and 5 for the losers -----------will never happen
I know. I said I would pick my team ignoring that pattern. It's not my prediction for All Stars. I'm sure their team will have the requisite numbers of Cork and Down men.
It happened before and ironically Down were the victims on that occasion.
I know Cork will get their fair share but it pisses me off how the All Stars has become thing that awards average players from good teams rather than good players from average teams. My team would be
McVeigh
O Carroll
Shields
Kelly
O'Leary
Bolton
Jordan - Callaghan is hard done by too
Walsh
MD McCauley
Hughes
Clarke
Doyle ( Reilly deserves this spot but Doyle has been pushed out)
Goulding
Brogan - Definite player of the year
Shine - Carried Roscommon and that's why he deserves one ahead of O'Connor and the likes.
McVeigh
Harrisson, Shields, O'Se
O'Leary, McKernan, Bolton
Keenan, Galvin.
Hughes, Clarke, Doyle.
Brogan, Shine, Joyce.
Do body honestly a lad that kicked 0-9 points in the AI final is not going to get an All Star?
How any one can justify Paddy Keenan in the nominations, never mind the team is beyond me. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote for the Leinster final debacle. Ambrose Rogers played as much football as Keenan this year even though he has been injured since the quarter finals. No word of a nomination for Ambrose. Keenans nomination makes a mockery of the system. He is a good player on a poor Louth team, nothing more.
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
I would rate:
Martin Penrose of Tyrone (who had an outstanding season, putting up big scores from play and frees and unbelievable workrate),
Steven McDonnell of Armagh (who did not put a foot wrong all year, effectively won a league for his team and was the standout performer in their qualifier run and put in some huge scores),
Michael Murphy of Donegal (who single handedly dragged Donegal to the All Ireland u21 final with some unbelievable displays)
I would also opine that
Paul McComesky (Down) - consistently put in scoring performances right up to the final (working himself to a standstill and getting usually subbed in the final quarter consistent with Wee James policy of bringing on fresh scoring forwards)
Conor McManus (Monaghan) - awesome in the league and unmarkable in matches leading up to Ulster Final (esp vs Armagh on a very good player in Brendan Donaghy)
Shane O'Rourke (Meath)
....had much better years (and championships) that Padraig Joyce.
You watched a very different championship to me so. All Stars are individual awards, nothing whatsoever got to do with how far a team gets. Had Joyce got one more game in the championship and replicated his outstanding form he'd be close to the All Star team. Now while that would smack of sentimentality a nomination certainly does not. He's there on merit.
Please don't presume to tell me why I think he deserves an All Star. Paddy Keenan is one of the best midfielders in the country, and during Louth's run this year he played at that level.
Somebody else said it's a pity this vote is about rewarding decent players on good teams rather than good players on poor teams. I think Paddy Keenan is a very good player on an average team.
Cork would love to have a player like him to partner with Walsh, And to say he wouldn't make the Kerry reserves is a joke. Neither Scanlon, nor Quirke, would be the player he is.
McVeigh
Kelly Shields O'Carroll (I'd have Harrison in but doubt he'll get one)
O'Leary McMahon McKernan
Galvin McAuley
Doyle Clarke Hughes
Goulding Brogan Cooper
Aidan Walsh Young Player, Brogan Player.
I think Paddy Keenan was the best midfielder in the country this season bar none. To suggest he didn't even deserve a nomination is ridiculous.
Goulding will get an allstar.
The two Sligo lads probably deserve ones but doubt they'll get them.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:41:07 PM
Keenans nomination makes a mockery of the system. He is a good player on a poor Louth team, nothing more.
What is the system? They'll have to bring in a new award for sweeper. The All Star awards are never going to be right as the award system doesn't match the system of play.
Other than that it's usually a load of balls anyway.
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
By the way I don't mind saying this anyway who doesn't realise how good a midfiielder Paddy Keenan is, is just ignorant. One of the top midfielders in Ireland the last 4 years.
I think Éamonn Callaghan will get one for the half-back line after he's been nominated there considering he wore #15 all year. He deserves one more than Emmet Bolton IMO.
1. Quirke (Cork)
2. Kelly (Kildare)
3. Shields (Cork)
4. McMahon (Dublin)
5. Callaghan (Kildare)
6. McKernan (Down)
7. Kissane (Cork)
8. Keenan (Louth)
9. Galvin (Limerick)
10. Hughes (Down)
11. Clarke (Down)
12. Doyle (Kildare)
13. Coulter (Down)
14. Brogan (Dublin)
15. O'Connor or Goulding (Cork)
4 Cork - Don't think they deserve anymore over the year as a whole IMO
4 Down - Should be five but I can see them going for Quirke ahead of McVeigh
3 Kildare - Maybe a bit ambitious but Johnny is a cert and I think the other two lads were superb this year
2 Dublin - Brogan is a shoe in for POTY and McMahon impressed at corner back after the Meath match
1 Louth - Nonsense to suggest Keenan's award would be a sympathetic one, a class act
1 Limerick - Ditto
I think Cooper will miss out but he probably deserves one more this year than he has in previous years. I think it would be a travesty if either Keenan or Galvin missed out on one of the midfield spots - if they give Aidan Walsh the YPOTY they might leave him off the All-Star team and pick the two best midfielders in Ireland this year.
I dont think Benny Coulter deserves an all star this year. Nor does Kalum King. Paddy Kelly definitely does.
If Callaghan can get one at wing-back then Graham Reilly should get one of the corner back slots.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 23, 2010, 01:02:17 PM
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
By the way I don't mind saying this anyway who doesn't realise how good a midfiielder Paddy Keenan is, is just ignorant. One of the top midfielders in Ireland the last 4 years.
I'd be amazed if Marty Clarke didn't get one.
If you didn't have people creaming themselves over him here and in the media would you really have thought he was that good this year?
I mean, outside of the Kerry game (where he was excellent) I genuinely don't think he was anywhere near as good as everyone else seems to think.
He played about 80% of his football in the half-backs this year Jinxy. It actually shows that at least some of the selection panel actually watched some football this year.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
Leaving the All-Stars and their impenetrable selection process aside, if I was picking the best team in the country for a competitive match, my midfield would be Paddy Keenan and John Galvin.
And leave Mark Ward out?
Cant remember a harder year to pick all stars- torn between picking my favourite team and forcing a few Cork players on to it. Only Shields on the Cork team would be an automatic choice for me, with Goulding next in the list. After that any other Cork all stars will be lucky calls based on ensuring they get a fair representation.
Alan Quirke wrongly could take all star off McVeigh and John Doyle could miss out for Paddy Kelly. Both would be totally unjustified. Paddy Kelly in my opinion had a solid year but was overall quite in the semi final and final. I know he is probably nailed on, but if he gets in Clarke should miss out not John Doyle.
McVeigh
Kelly Shields McMahon
Kissane (though hope Canty gets it) McKernan Jordan
Galvin Keenan
Doyle Clarke Hughes
Goulding Brogan Cooper (just ahead of Kavanagh)
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
You're obviously well informed. PJ didn't even play in the league due to injury which might explain his "indifferent" league form. Every game he played in the championship he was superb. He was either man of the match or very close to it. Early in the Summer he would have been nailed on for an All-Star. Only pity is he only had four games and Galway going out so early means he is never going to get that All-Star but I can't believe anyone would query his nomination.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
aye, you'd know that by the amount of ball they won in the second half on sunday
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 23, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
aye, you'd know that by the amount of ball they won in the second half on sunday
:D :D :D, MCMLX would be best advised to take his head out of where the sun don't shine :D
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
If you didn't have people creaming themselves over him here and in the media would you really have thought he was that good this year?
I mean, outside of the Kerry game (where he was excellent) I genuinely don't think he was anywhere near as good as everyone else seems to think.
would you have Kerrigan on your team or Clarke?
Bringing a forward back into the half-back line should not qualify him for an All-Star as a half-back.
Was he even picking up an opposition half-forward?
I'd have Kelly.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
I'd have Kelly.
would say Kelly and Clarke will be a shoe in for 2 of the half-forward slots
Kevin McKernan was used as a sub against Longford in Newry after being dropped for Darren OHagan from the tyrone game even though he stil wore number 5, and again against Offaly in Tullamore. He started the Sligo game at centre half back wearing 18 and played a stormer at 6 in our last 3 outings in Croker. He played right half back in our ulster championship games. He is well worth his all star with 4 brilliant displays against Sligo, Kerry, Kildare and Cork. Class act.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
Please don't presume to tell me why I think he deserves an All Star. Paddy Keenan is one of the best midfielders in the country, and during Louth's run this year he played at that level.
Jackie Lynch wiped the floor with the entire Louth midfield 2 years running in Division 3. No one has ever claimed that Lynch is all star material. If Keenan gets an all star it will be a sympathy vote and nothing more. The all star selection panel will try to right the wrong of the Leinster final fiasco, something the GAA should have had the balls to do. Keenan is the stand out player on a very average Louth team, nothing more.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
Utter nonsense, I presume you're on the wind up. He'd be first choice for Kerry, Down and IMO Cork. Anyway my team is on the left and the team I think the commitae will pick is on the right:
1. Brendan McVeigh 1. Alan Quirke
2. Peter Kelly 2. Peter Kelly
3. Rory O'Carroll 3. Michael Shields
4. Michael Shields 4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Philip Jordan 5. Noel O'Leary
6. Kevin McKernan 6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton 7. Emmet Bolton
8. Michael D Macauley 8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan 9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes 10. Daniel Hughes
11. Johnny Doyle 11. Martin Clarke
12. Graham Reilly 12. Johnny Doyle
13. Colm Cooper 13. Bernard Brogan
14. Bernard Brogan 14. Donncha O'Connor
15. Benny Coulter 15. Benny Coulter
1 Cork :o 5 Cork
4 Down 4 Down
3 Kildare 3 Kildare
3 Dublin 2 Dublin
1 Louth 1 Louth
1 Kerry
1 Tyrone
1 Eastmeath
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
You're obviously well informed. PJ didn't even play in the league due to injury which might explain his "indifferent" league form. Every game he played in the championship he was superb. He was either man of the match or very close to it. Early in the Summer he would have been nailed on for an All-Star. Only pity is he only had four games and Galway going out so early means he is never going to get that All-Star but I can't believe anyone would query his nomination.
Giveitlong - As stupid a post as ever I read on this board. First of all they're individual awards so Galway's exit from the championship is not a factor. Joyce carried a malfunctioning team on his back and gave an exhibition of ball winning, distribution, shooting, skill and character.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2010, 03:00:03 PM
Bringing a forward back into the half-back line should not qualify him for an All-Star as a half-back.
Was he even picking up an opposition half-forward?
Started centre-half back in both Antrim matches and against Leitrim. Played mostly at left half-back against Derry and seemed to be given more of a free role when we got to Croke Park.
Doyle wore #13 most of the year yet played in the half-forwards and Kavanagh wore #10 and played as part of a two man full-forward line. I'd say they have the positions of the Kildare players spot on.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
You're obviously well informed. PJ didn't even play in the league due to injury which might explain his "indifferent" league form. Every game he played in the championship he was superb. He was either man of the match or very close to it. Early in the Summer he would have been nailed on for an All-Star. Only pity is he only had four games and Galway going out so early means he is never going to get that All-Star but I can't believe anyone would query his nomination.
Apologies Galwaybayboy, I knew Joyce was unavailable for a lot of the League but thought he managed a couple of league appearances. Apologies again.
Championship:
vs New York - I'm afraid that doesn't count as it's a pitch no larger than my back yard, and certainly no All Star was ever handed out for a performance in NY on a pitch barely bigger than a tennis court, where a FF literally does not have to move to receive the ball. And even if PJ scored 1-03 odd from play, I recall Dan Doona of NY was awarded Man of the Match.
And it also helps when you are playing 14 men. A FF will ultimately benefit from the overlap created by the extra man.
And on to the real stuff:
vs Sligo (draw): PJ=3 pts from play, but David Kelly of Sligo awarded Man of the Match
vs Sligo (replay): PJ=2 pts from play, but Mark Breheny of Sligo awarded Man of the Match
vs Wexford (qualifiers): PJ= 4pts from play, but Ciaran Lyng of Wexford awarded man of the Match
3 pts equivalent from play over three games against the likes of Sligo and Wexford is the very least I would expect from my full forward. And in those games, he scored no goals and won not one Man of the Match award.
In my earlier post I put forward some names that I deemed more worthy of nomination based on them playing in more games and against stronger opposition in my view.
My final point is that I am putting forward a neutral point of view as I hail from none of the counties, whereas you are from Galway so you may be approaching this with maroon-tinged spectacles.
Giveitlong has a point. Stevie McDonnell ran up tallies similar to Joyce in an equally underpreforming team, and arguably against better opposition. On top of this McDonnell was also one of the top 2 or 3 forwards in the country during the league.
You watched a very different championship to me so. All Stars are individual awards, nothing whatsoever got to do with how far a team gets. Had Joyce got one more game in the championship and replicated his outstanding form he'd be close to the All Star team. Now while that would smack of sentimentality a nomination certainly does not. He's there on merit.
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Gotcha, so by that reasoning Dan Doona of NY should feel very hard done by
Do we really need two threads on the same subject?
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: Giveitlong on September 23, 2010, 11:30:47 AM
No disrespect to an outstanding servant of the game, but I am astonished that Padraig Joyce has received an All Star nomination. Losing provincial semi-finalist. Indifferent League form and matches against NY and Sligo, where he obviously did well but nothing worthy of a nomination in my view. I'm afraid it smacks of sentimentality.
You're obviously well informed. PJ didn't even play in the league due to injury which might explain his "indifferent" league form. Every game he played in the championship he was superb. He was either man of the match or very close to it. Early in the Summer he would have been nailed on for an All-Star. Only pity is he only had four games and Galway going out so early means he is never going to get that All-Star but I can't believe anyone would query his nomination.
Apologies Galwaybayboy, I knew Joyce was unavailable for a lot of the League but thought he managed a couple of league appearances. Apologies again.
Championship:
vs New York - I'm afraid that doesn't count as it's a pitch no larger than my back yard, and certainly no All Star was ever handed out for a performance in NY on a pitch barely bigger than a tennis court, where a FF literally does not have to move to receive the ball. And even if PJ scored 1-03 odd from play, I recall Dan Doona of NY was awarded Man of the Match.
And it also helps when you are playing 14 men. A FF will ultimately benefit from the overlap created by the extra man.
And on to the real stuff:
vs Sligo (draw): PJ=3 pts from play, but David Kelly of Sligo awarded Man of the Match
vs Sligo (replay): PJ=2 pts from play, but Mark Breheny of Sligo awarded Man of the Match
vs Wexford (qualifiers): PJ= 4pts from play, but Ciaran Lyng of Wexford awarded man of the Match
3 pts equivalent from play over three games against the likes of Sligo and Wexford is the very least I would expect from my full forward. And in those games, he scored no goals and won not one Man of the Match award.
In my earlier post I put forward some names that I deemed more worthy of nomination based on them playing in more games and against stronger opposition in my view.
My final point is that I am putting forward a neutral point of view as I hail from none of the counties, whereas you are from Galway so you may be approaching this with maroon-tinged spectacles.
What scoring totals on paper don't show you of course is also what he created for others. For instance his pass to Concannon that got Galway a draw against Sligo the first day. He probably set up as many scores as he got himself. At the end of June nobody would have quibbled had he been named on the championship team of the season up to that point. In fact I believe he was named on The Sunday Game one.
Obviously with Galway going out in the qualifiers he had no football for most of July and August so is never going to get an All-Star because of that but I don't believe his nomination is much of a surprise. To say sure he's only been doing it against other rubbish Connacht teams is a mindset I thought we had gotten away from to be honest but maybe not. Bottom line is while Galway were still in the championship he was superb. Unfortunately it wasn't for as long as they would have liked but it doesn't take away from how good he was when they were still in it.
More than sentimental Dinny
Canty was injured in the last two match's but was inspiration for Cork in all the other games vs us he moved to FB to mark Shine after Shields struggled badly & would Dublin have got as much joy if they had a fit Canty to mark Brogan?
Fair comments in your response Galwaybayboy.
I'll stick with my main points and my backing up of them, and sure we'll agree to disagree.
Definitely no disrespect intended towards either Joyce or Connacht football.
I'd love to know who the three Down midfielders better than Keenan are.
Quote from: gallsman on September 23, 2010, 05:08:26 PM
I'd love to know who the three Down midfielders better than Keenan are.
A Rogers
K King
D Gordon
I presume
King, Gordon? I presumed that as well, but then figured he must have been taking the piss.
how anyone could place quirke about mcveigh is totally beyond me...
certainties = mcveigh, shields, mckernan, walsh, hughes, doyle, clarke, brogan, goulding
Quote from: swing-er-over on September 23, 2010, 05:39:45 PM
how anyone could place quirke about mcveigh is totally beyond me...
certainties = mcveigh, shields, mckernan, walsh, hughes, doyle, clarke, brogan, goulding
Aidan Walsh is most certainly not a certainty, he had one
good great game in the final but was average enough before that, saying that I think he will sneak one purely because he's from Cork. I'd have Keenan, MaCauley, and Galvin ahead of him. Quirke will probably get the keepers spot because again he's from Cork, welcome to the thinking of the All-Star committae :)
When is the last time Steven Cluxton didn't get at least a nomination?
2008
B McVeigh 1/8
A Quirke 4/1
P McConnell 16/1
M Shields 1/12
P Kelly 2/5
R O'Carroll 1/2
C Harrison 4/7
P McMahon 5/4
J McMahon 6/4
M Ó Sé 6/1
D Gordon 10/1
J O'Brien 10/1
K McKernan 1/14
P Kissane 1/4
N O'Leary 1/3
E Bolton 1/2
P Jordan 4/7
G Canty 6/1
J McMahon 12/1
É Callaghan 16/1
T Ó Sé 25/1
P Keenan 1/8
A Walsh 2/7
MD McAuley 8/15
J Galvin 6/4
K King 16/1
N Murphy 20/1
D Hughes 1/33
J Doyle 2/5
P Kelly 4/7
G Reilly 13/8
P Kerrigan 4/1
J Sheridan 9/2
S Kenny 20/1
C Cregg 50/1
D Goulding 1/12
D O'Connor 2/7
C Cooper 4/6
D Shine 3/1
J Kavanagh 11/2
B Coulter 8/1
D Kelly 20/1
P Joyce 33/1
Paddy Power
Clarke and Brogan not quoted.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 23, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
B McVeigh 1/8
A Quirke 4/1
P McConnell 16/1
M Shields 1/12
P Kelly 2/5
R O'Carroll 1/2
C Harrison 4/7
P McMahon 5/4
J McMahon 6/4
M Ó Sé 6/1
D Gordon 10/1
J O'Brien 10/1
K McKernan 1/14
P Kissane 1/4
N O'Leary 1/3
E Bolton 1/2
P Jordan 4/7
G Canty 6/1
J McMahon 12/1
É Callaghan 16/1
T Ó Sé 25/1
P Keenan 1/8
A Walsh 2/7
MD McAuley 8/15
J Galvin 6/4
K King 16/1
N Murphy 20/1
D Hughes 1/33
J Doyle 2/5
P Kelly 4/7
G Reilly 13/8
P Kerrigan 4/1
J Sheridan 9/2
S Kenny 20/1
C Cregg 50/1
D Goulding 1/12
D O'Connor 2/7
C Cooper 4/6
D Shine 3/1
J Kavanagh 11/2
B Coulter 8/1
D Kelly 20/1
P Joyce 33/1
Paddy Power
Clarke and Brogan not quoted.
Benny at 8/1? wtf.
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 23, 2010, 07:01:29 PM
Benny at 8/1? wtf.
Surprised at that too. I thought I saw somewhere in the lead up to the final that he was third favourite for player of the year, albeit a good bit off Brogan and Clarke. By those odds, it seems he wouldn't even make an All Star B team.
Was it John Hume who used to condemn the politics of the last atrocity ?I'm afraid that is what we have created with the All Stars. I declare my hand as seeing all this through red and black spectacles but there are two miscarriages of justice rapidly unfolding like a car-crash in front of us.
1.Ambrose Rodgers was the best midfielder I saw this season and I saw all the nominees. He did it in the league before his injury.He did it in the championship. He was unbelievable against Sligo and Kerry (in the latter winning the throw-ins at start of both halves, covered every blade, tackled like a demon, stroked over a 45 and was still powering through the then AI champions in the 70th minute to score a point).And he's not even nominated.
2.Benny Coulter has carried Down for years and produced some of his best football this year.Over the years he has been outstanding also for club, province and country. This year his leadership, power, determination, skill and finishing has been phenomenal. And he appears to be a rank outsider for an award. Can I appeal to any journalist on the panel reading this to reflect on Benny's consistency, flair and instinctive skills in gaelic football ?Ask any player in Ireland- there's only one Benny Coulter.
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Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 23, 2010, 07:01:29 PM
Benny at 8/1? wtf.
Surprised at that too. I thought I saw somewhere in the lead up to the final that he was third favourite for player of the year, albeit a good bit off Brogan and Clarke. By those odds, it seems he wouldn't even make an All Star B team.
He would. Sixth favourite so would be third choice on the B team.
7th fav counting brogan
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 23, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
Was it John Hume who used to condemn the politics of the last atrocity ?I'm afraid that is what we have created with the All Stars. I declare my hand as seeing all this through red and black spectacles but there are two miscarriages of justice rapidly unfolding like a car-crash in front of us.
1.Ambrose Rodgers was the best midfielder I saw this season and I saw all the nominees. He did it in the league before his injury.He did it in the championship. He was unbelievable against Sligo and Kerry (in the latter winning the throw-ins at start of both halves, covered every blade, tackled like a demon, stroked over a 45 and was still powering through the then AI champions in the 70th minute to score a point).And he's not even nominated.
2.Benny Coulter has carried Down for years and produced some of his best football this year.Over the years he has been outstanding also for club, province and country. This year his leadership, power, determination, skill and finishing has been phenomenal. And he appears to be a rank outsider for an award. Can I appeal to any journalist on the panel reading this to reflect on Benny's consistency, flair and instinctive skills in gaelic football ?Ask any player in Ireland- there's only one Benny Coulter.
I have to agree with all of that, Rodgers was arguably the best midfielder in the country prior to his injury and if Down had not of played that round of club championship games (where he got injured) I believe they would be All Ireland Champions now.
As for Coulter I thought he was a shoe in, I cant believe hes 8/1.
Also if theres any justice Brendan McVeigh will pick up his first Allstar. He has been immense for Down this year pulling off some crucial saves. Quirkes a young enough fella he"ll be back, This most probably will be Brendans best ever chance.
Paddy Keenan should be a no brainer as well, He never put a foot wrong in the whole Leinster Championship and drove Louth on.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 23, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
B McVeigh 1/8
A Quirke 4/1
P McConnell 16/1
M Shields 1/12
P Kelly 2/5
R O'Carroll 1/2
C Harrison 4/7
P McMahon 5/4
J McMahon 6/4
M Ó Sé 6/1
D Gordon 10/1
J O'Brien 10/1
K McKernan 1/14
P Kissane 1/4
N O'Leary 1/3
E Bolton 1/2
P Jordan 4/7
G Canty 6/1
J McMahon 12/1
É Callaghan 16/1
T Ó Sé 25/1
P Keenan 1/8
A Walsh 2/7
MD McAuley 8/15
J Galvin 6/4
K King 16/1
N Murphy 20/1
D Hughes 1/33
J Doyle 2/5
P Kelly 4/7
G Reilly 13/8
P Kerrigan 4/1
J Sheridan 9/2
S Kenny 20/1
C Cregg 50/1
D Goulding 1/12
D O'Connor 2/7
C Cooper 4/6
D Shine 3/1
J Kavanagh 11/2
B Coulter 8/1
D Kelly 20/1
P Joyce 33/1
Paddy Power
Clarke and Brogan not quoted.
Surely Alan Quirke is good value at 4/1.... I know in another thread i said it would be wrong for Quirke to get ahead of McVeigh but still.
There is also some dodgy calls up there.... No way in my opinion should Aidan Walsh be 2/7 and John Galvin 6/4. Donnacha O Connor is a terrible price at 2/7.... Coulter was far superior over the course of the year and he is 8/1. The discrepancy makes no sense. Coulter should be priced shorter than Shine as well.
Paddy Power have recognised the Martin Clarke media love in as well
The year Paddy Bradley got an all-star showed it up for the farce it was.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 23, 2010, 08:43:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
+1
How such a broad list of nominations could leave Cluxton out is beyond belief.
A farcical decision to leave him out. Alan Costello robbed as well
QuoteBenny at 8/1? wtf.
thats cos he's priced in the full forward line. If he gets an allstar at half forward they don't pay out.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
you dont get all stars for taking 45's.
All keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
QuoteAll keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
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same as every other year he got one then!
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
you dont get all stars for taking 45's.
All keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
Which do you mean- better this year, or better full stop?
I think Cluxton is a better keeper than all three but McVeigh had a better year than Cluxton and so deserves an All Star. Regardless of whether he has any saves to make, his kick outs and distribution from open play make him the stand out keeper in the country- the 45's are just an added bonus
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 23, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
QuoteAll keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
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same as every other year he got one then!
indeed. shipping 5 against an average meath side would be a reason for no selection.
in fairness though the all stars are a waste of time.
Quote from: haze on September 23, 2010, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
you dont get all stars for taking 45's.
All keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
Which do you mean- better this year, or better full stop?
I think Cluxton is a better keeper than all three but McVeigh had a better year than Cluxton and so deserves an All Star. Regardless of whether he has any saves to make, his kick outs and distribution from open play make him the stand out keeper in the country- the 45's are just an added bonus
i mean this year. in fairness though a keeper should be judged on his saves not whether or not 80% of his kickouts are won in midfield by his own team, should that all star not go to the man fielding the ball in the middle. imo
What a stupid comment!
If any Tyrone, Kerry or Cork keeper shipped 5 goals against the current Meath side they'd probably be lucky to wear their county jersey again never mind get an all-star nomination!
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Quote from: haze on September 23, 2010, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
you dont get all stars for taking 45's.
All keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
Which do you mean- better this year, or better full stop?
I think Cluxton is a better keeper than all three but McVeigh had a better year than Cluxton and so deserves an All Star. Regardless of whether he has any saves to make, his kick outs and distribution from open play make him the stand out keeper in the country- the 45's are just an added bonus
i mean this year. in fairness though a keeper should be judged on his saves not whether or not 80% of his kickouts are won in midfield by his own team, should that all star not go to the man fielding the ball in the middle. imo
I dont know sure its a mix of both- Cluxton is more often than not landing the ball on a plate to the boys in midfield. Shane Ryan would not have got remotely as much possession of the ball if it were not for Cluxton. Obviously i agree that the main criteria should be shot stopping- otherwise Donal Og would have picked up a few more All stars over Cummins and Fitzhenry
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 23, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
When Cluxton was omitted- really showed what a sham the whole process is
you dont get all stars for taking 45's.
All keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
sorry to correct you but none of them are as good. None. The 2nd best keeper in the country didn't get a nomination either. He lays for Roscommon.
Maybe the allstar commitee will pick 1 Connacht man, who will be that man? I think its between Shine and Harrison. Harrison at 4/7 is very tight odds, i was suprised as i thought Shine was more likely, but hes at 3/1...
Cant see Kelly getting in the FF line tbh.
It's funny how things turn round. The other year the all stars were a farce because Cluxton got an allstar and now they're a farce because cluxton didn't get a nomination...
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
It's funny how things turn round. The other year the all stars were a farce because Cluxton got an allstar and now they're a farce because cluxton didn't get a nomination...
The All-Stars are a farce full stop. It's an exercise in horse-trading that never ever comes close to picking the best and most deserving players
It is getting worse every year though. The panel of people who pick those things need to be reviewed. I don't know exactly who is on it but I would suspect that a few of them, at least, wouldn't be seeing much, if any football, pre late July / early August.
There is a very large element of politics with who gets them which discredits them.
I will respect them a bit more if John Galvin gets one to be honest.
On an individual player by player basis I'm not convinced Cork deserve that many. In fact I think they deserve less than Down (Down had a few stand out individuals) but because they won they have to get quite a few.
I would also say Jordan was best HB in Ireland this year (IMO). Justin McMahon probably the best FB too. One of two will get an all star as a token gesture. Not sure which one...
Costello best HF in the game this year - outstanding. The fact that he is nowhere to be seen raises large questions for me. Cluxton is more high profile but Costello is the worst omission.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Coulter there.
Another example there is David Kelly of Sligo. Great corner forward who had a great year. Probably deserves to get one but will be nowhere near it.
Shields should be the only Cork shoe in. Hughes and Clarke for Down. I don't think Goulding merits one this year nor Kerrigan. Potentially O'Connor and Kelly.
I'd pick:
McVeigh
Shields
McMahon
AN other between Kelly and McMahon
Jordan
McKiernan
Bolton
Keenan
Galvin
Clarke
Hughes
Doyle
O'Connor
Brogan
Unsure on the last spot - maybe Coulter
That'd be 2 cork players. Never gonna happen...
TYP, you have made many reasonable posts in the past, but comparing Paddy Bradley to Benny Coulter is laughable. Bradley is a very talented individual who relies on frees for most of his scores. He can hit points for fun when the mood takes him, but frequently he huffs with his team-mates or the referee and his disciplinary record has regularly been poor. Benny has carried some poor Down sides over the years without ever giving less than 100 per cent. He gets all of his scores from play and has more championship goals than any other Ulster player. Benny can turn a game which is going against his team, as he proved against Donegal in the USC, and every single one of his points in the three Croke Park matches at the climax of the season was a gem. It will be a travesty if he does not get his All Star.
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 23, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
QuoteAll keepers mentioned are better than Cluxton.
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same as every other year he got one then!
indeed. shipping 5 against an average meath side would be a reason for no selection.
in fairness though the all stars are a waste of time.
Your keeper wouldn't have stopped any of those goals.
Do all All Star thread have a 50% Quota of posts referring to Cluxton before they can be taken seriously?
I think I just reached 51% that percentage with this post.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 24, 2010, 12:01:07 AM
Do all All Star thread have a 50% Quota of posts referring to Cluxton before they can be taken seriously?
I think I just reached 51% that percentage with this post.
absolutely. When discussing the countrys best keeper its a shortlist of one with his name on it.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 24, 2010, 12:13:36 AM
absolutely. When discussing the countrys best keeper its a shortlist of one with his name on it.
Good.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 16, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Considering they scored 15 points on the back of a well beaten midfield, I can have no complaints about any of the forwards who started on sunday for Down. If you're implying that he blew his chance of player of the year, I don't think he was ever in the running for it. Brogan will now win it by default, however considering the Cork buck got MOM on sunday for kickin frees, he might get it for kickin frees all year.
You dont think Coulter choked ? or "dropped a bollock" as you might put it ?
A one point return is pretty poor performance for someone that a lot of you lads have been saying is one of, if not the, best forward in the Country. Also, he got plenty of ball , especially in the first half and kicked some very poor wides and was showing signs of bottling it from early on in the game. The Cork forwards would have been crucified by lads like you if they had put in a performance liike Coulters and they had lost. In fact, they were lambasted by many on here after last years AI for similar performances.
yet Coulter, and Clarke as well while we are at it, get a pass when they fail to live up to expectations....you Nordies have some very strange double standards.
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As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Considering they scored 15 points on the back of a well beaten midfield, I can have no complaints about any of the forwards who started on sunday for Down. If you're implying that he blew his chance of player of the year, I don't think he was ever in the running for it. Brogan will now win it by default, however considering the Cork buck got MOM on sunday for kickin frees, he might get it for kickin frees all year.
You dont think Coulter choked ? or "dropped a bollock" as you might put it ?
A one point return is pretty poor performance for someone that a lot of you lads have been saying is one of, if not the, best forward in the Country. Also, he got plenty of ball , especially in the first half and kicked some very poor wides and was showing signs of bottling it from early on in the game. The Cork forwards would have been crucified by lads like you if they had put in a performance liike Coulters and they had lost. In fact, they were lambasted by many on here after last years AI for similar performances.
yet Coulter, and Clarke as well while we are at it, get a pass when they fail to live up to expectations....you Nordies have some very strange double standards.
I have to agree. What exactly did Coulter and Clarke score this year from play? In two of their biggest games (against Tyrone and Cork) neither offered any real threat and were largely anonymous, so for me talk of both being certainties for All Stars or being POTY contenders really show up this awards process for the shambles it is. It would be great for the best 15 to be given the awards, irrelevant of how far the team got.
From what I have saw this year, the best scoring forwards from play would include Stevie McDonnell, Owen Mulligan, Padraig Joyce, Bernard Brogan, Jamie Clarke, Donnacha O'Connor and Shane O'Rourke. Others in contention would be Danny Hughes, Donal Shine, Colm Cooper or Martin Penrose.
Walsh had a great AIF but did very little the rest of the year, so does he deserve an award in the middle for this alone - no. Ambrose Rodgers was the best midfielder this year, and Kalum King was up there aswell. Philip Jordan and Justin McMahon were the best players in their positions also.
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As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Considering they scored 15 points on the back of a well beaten midfield, I can have no complaints about any of the forwards who started on sunday for Down. If you're implying that he blew his chance of player of the year, I don't think he was ever in the running for it. Brogan will now win it by default, however considering the Cork buck got MOM on sunday for kickin frees, he might get it for kickin frees all year.
You dont think Coulter choked ? or "dropped a bollock" as you might put it ?
A one point return is pretty poor performance for someone that a lot of you lads have been saying is one of, if not the, best forward in the Country. Also, he got plenty of ball , especially in the first half and kicked some very poor wides and was showing signs of bottling it from early on in the game. The Cork forwards would have been crucified by lads like you if they had put in a performance liike Coulters and they had lost. In fact, they were lambasted by many on here after last years AI for similar performances.
yet Coulter, and Clarke as well while we are at it, get a pass when they fail to live up to expectations....you Nordies have some very strange double standards.
I have to agree. What exactly did Coulter and Clarke score this year from play? In two of their biggest games (against Tyrone and Cork) neither offered any real threat and were largely anonymous, so for me talk of both being certainties for All Stars or being POTY contenders really show up this awards process for the shambles it is. It would be great for the best 15 to be given the awards, irrelevant of how far the team got.
From what I have saw this year, the best scoring forwards from play would include Stevie McDonnell, Owen Mulligan, Padraig Joyce, Bernard Brogan, Jamie Clarke, Donnacha O'Connor and Shane O'Rourke. Others in contention would be Danny Hughes, Donal Shine, Colm Cooper or Martin Penrose.
Walsh had a great AIF but did very little the rest of the year, so does he deserve an award in the middle for this alone - no. Ambrose Rodgers was the best midfielder this year, and Kalum King was up there aswell. Philip Jordan and Justin McMahon were the best players in their positions also.
Graham Reilly was averaging 0-3 from play a game from wing-forward.
James Kavanagh. Eamon Callaghan and JD have all high scoring averages from play...
Check Keith Barr's team of the year out....
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin); Charlie Harrison (Sligo), Michael Shields (Cork), Philly McMahon (Dublin); Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry), Emmet Bolton (Kildare), Stephen Lavin (Limerick); Paddy Keenan (Louth), Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin); Daniel Hughes (Down), Martin Clarke (Down), Graham Reilly (Meath); Daniel Goulding (Cork), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Johnny Doyle (Kildare).
8 players from Leinster!
Good man Keeh.
How many of Barr's team are likely to get Allstars 5/6 maybe?
Seamus Duke (Roscommon writer/broadcaster) Team of the Championship
Claffey,O'Carroll,McMahon,Shields,Bolton,McKiernan,O'Leary,Walsh,Fitzpatrick,Clarke,O'Neill,Hughes,Gouding,Brogan,Doyle
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How many of Barr's team are likely to get Allstars 5/6 maybe?
Seamus Duke (Roscommon writer/broadcaster) Team of the Championship
Claffey,O'Carroll,McMahon,Shields,Bolton,McKiernan,O'Leary,Walsh,Fitzpatrick,Clarke,O'Neill,Hughes,Gouding,Brogan,Doyle
Which O'Neill is this?
Please tell me it's not Pearse!
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How many of Barr's team are likely to get Allstars 5/6 maybe?
Seamus Duke (Roscommon writer/broadcaster) Team of the Championship
Claffey,O'Carroll,McMahon,Shields,Bolton,McKiernan,O'Leary,Walsh,Fitzpatrick,Clarke,O'Neill,Hughes,Gouding,Brogan,Doyle
Which O'Neill is this?
Please tell me it's not Pearse!
Can't see who else it is, and Fitzpatrick? Is that Peter the Down midfielder who played in the semi-final and final alone?
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As I said the Nordies are just jealous because they no longer have a player remotely in his class as a strike forward.
Fact.
What's a strike forward?
In fairness, it seems like the Downers are the only ones that have a problem with Brogan.
I have no problem with Brogan, I think he's a fine player and hopefully will get even better. This does not however, take from the fact that he dropped a bollock in the semi final. If Cluxton had made outstanding saves all year and then dropped a soft one in with 10 to go in the semi final would anyone be calling for him to get POTY? Cos that's the equivalent of what Brogan did. Does anybody think Ray Cosgrove should have got it in 2002?
How would you rate Benny Coulters performance on Sunday Passedit ?
Considering they scored 15 points on the back of a well beaten midfield, I can have no complaints about any of the forwards who started on sunday for Down. If you're implying that he blew his chance of player of the year, I don't think he was ever in the running for it. Brogan will now win it by default, however considering the Cork buck got MOM on sunday for kickin frees, he might get it for kickin frees all year.
You dont think Coulter choked ? or "dropped a bollock" as you might put it ?
A one point return is pretty poor performance for someone that a lot of you lads have been saying is one of, if not the, best forward in the Country. Also, he got plenty of ball , especially in the first half and kicked some very poor wides and was showing signs of bottling it from early on in the game. The Cork forwards would have been crucified by lads like you if they had put in a performance liike Coulters and they had lost. In fact, they were lambasted by many on here after last years AI for similar performances.
yet Coulter, and Clarke as well while we are at it, get a pass when they fail to live up to expectations....you Nordies have some very strange double standards.
I have to agree. What exactly did Coulter and Clarke score this year from play? In two of their biggest games (against Tyrone and Cork) neither offered any real threat and were largely anonymous, so for me talk of both being certainties for All Stars or being POTY contenders really show up this awards process for the shambles it is. It would be great for the best 15 to be given the awards, irrelevant of how far the team got.
From what I have saw this year, the best scoring forwards from play would include Stevie McDonnell, Owen Mulligan, Padraig Joyce, Bernard Brogan, Jamie Clarke, Donnacha O'Connor and Shane O'Rourke. Others in contention would be Danny Hughes, Donal Shine, Colm Cooper or Martin Penrose.
Walsh had a great AIF but did very little the rest of the year, so does he deserve an award in the middle for this alone - no. Ambrose Rodgers was the best midfielder this year, and Kalum King was up there aswell. Philip Jordan and Justin McMahon were the best players in their positions also.
Cant agree on Clarke. Scored plenty for a half forward. In the modern game most of the scores come from the full forward line. Bullshit to award the best scoring forwards from play when they are inside forwards. When will the numbskulls here get it through their heads that good corner forwards couldn't play wing forward in the modern game. So since the game involves wing forwards they should be awarded to wing forwards.
So in a nutshell. Hughes -Clarke- Reilly\Kelly.
For me Paddy Kelly has been the best wing forward in Ireland for 2 years now. I'd love to transfer him to Dublin. BUt Reilly was excellent all year.
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How many of Barr's team are likely to get Allstars 5/6 maybe?
Seamus Duke (Roscommon writer/broadcaster) Team of the Championship
Claffey,O'Carroll,McMahon,Shields,Bolton,McKiernan,O'Leary,Walsh,Fitzpatrick,Clarke,O'Neill,Hughes,Gouding,Brogan,Doyle
Which O'Neill is this?
Please tell me it's not Pearse!
Yep it's Pearse O'Neill i guess Seamus picked him because he played well vs us ::) & yes Peter Fitzpatrick
Charlie harrison sligo a cert,
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 23, 2010, 09:41:39 PM
Maybe the allstar commitee will pick 1 Connacht man, who will be that man? I think its between Shine and Harrison. Harrison at 4/7 is very tight odds, i was suprised as i thought Shine was more likely, but hes at 3/1...
Cant see Kelly getting in the FF line tbh.
Sligonian, i would agree with you on most of what you said. I agree that Donovan should be in ahead of Harrison in the nominations, and as a Rossie, i'm pleasantly surprised that Cathal Cregg has been nominated.
The omissions of Geoffrey Claffey and Alan Costello are a disgrace, and it's decisions like that which undermine the credibility of the modern day All Star 'selection' process.
Re David Kelly, whilst he definitely deserved his nomination, it must be pointed out that he received it for his performances against Mayo and Galway only.
He failed to score in the Connacht Final against Roscommon, and nearly had to be surgically removed from Seanie Mc Dermott's pocket after the game.
He did then score 0-2 against Down , but from my info, didn't pull up any trees in the process.
His best form was in the earlier rounds of the Connacht Championship, and unfortunately nowadays, a Connacht player nearly has to perform miracles to get an All Star....Just ask Claffey and Costello.
But, as you said Sligonian, there might be one token Connacht All Star this year.
There appears to have been a rush of money for Benny Coulter in the All Star betting over the last 24 hours. According to Paddy Power, he has come in from 8/1 to 9/4. He is still only fifth in line for the three positions, but it would seem that many punters think he was initially well over-priced. It's also possible that Benny has put a few bob on himself.
Thursday prices (no quote for Brogan).
D Goulding 1/12
D O'Connor 2/7
C Cooper 4/6
D Shine 3/1
J Kavanagh 11/2
B Coulter 8/1
D Kelly 20/1
P Joyce 33/1
Friday prices.
B Brogan 1/500
D Goulding 1/12
D O'Connor 4/11
C Cooper 5/6
B Coulter 9/4
D Shine 9/2
J Kavanagh 7/1
D Kelly 20/1
P Joyce 33/1
what has Cooper done this year to be included in the nominations never mind get an All Star? D Raff kept him very quiet from play.
There's always a glaring omission from these type of awards, (already has happened with the nominations and Cluxton) and I have a really bad feeling that this year its gonna be Benny that is left out.
The man is a champion - we all know we wouldn't have even got out of Ballybofey were it not for his performance.
And where would Down's championship have gone then?
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what has Cooper done this year to be included in the nominations never mind get an All Star? D Raff kept him very quiet from play.
..are you still here...?
Gooch has done a lot more than Benny Coulter in this years championship, thats for sure.
Gooch score 1-27 in 5 matches which is a average of about 6 points per game about the same as Goulding, Doyle i believe
Gooch was brilliant against Down. First time I ever saw him in the flesh. Felt sorry for him as he was one of few to perform.
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what has Cooper done this year to be included in the nominations never mind get an All Star? D Raff kept him very quiet from play.
So if I'm playing corner forward and I win 6 converted frees, score 1 from play and directly assist 5 other scores you're going to tell me my marker has played better then me?
Strewth I've read it all here now. Gooch nearly beat Down on his own. And he was on his own that day.
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Gooch nearly beat Down on his own? The penalty at the death took the bad look off the scoreboard from a Kerry perspective. I must have been at a different game, Dee Raff did an excellent job on the Gooch, I think Gooch only scored 1 from play.
On his day Gooch is miles ahead of anything else, I guess the Down game just wasnt his day.
I strongly suggest you re-watch the game because you missed a great performance by Gooch
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take the rest of your ilk with you. There is no place for behaviour lke we witnessed at the Leinster final in our games, you and your ilk brought shame on our games.
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And Mr Sludden, his umpires and the cowardly GAA top brass didnt I suppose
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Quote from: MCMLX on September 25, 2010, 01:13:42 PMyou and your ilk brought shame on our games.
Idiot.
Ach Hardy, I'd have thought a man of your calibre would avoid troll-feeding!
According to the prices quoted by Paddy Power Bookmakers, the team will be McVeigh, Kelly, O'Carroll, Shields, O'Leary, McKernan, Kissane, Keenan, Walsh, Hughes, Clarke, Doyle, Goulding, O'Connor, Brogan. How many have they got wrong do you think. Maybe - O'Carroll and Kissane.
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According to the prices quoted by Paddy Power Bookmakers, the team will be McVeigh, Kelly, O'Carroll, Shields, O'Leary, McKernan, Kissane, Keenan, Walsh, Hughes, Clarke, Doyle, Goulding, O'Connor, Brogan. How many have they got wrong do you think. Maybe - O'Carroll and Kissane.
I don't think the players highlighted deserve an all-star.
Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
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According to the prices quoted by Paddy Power Bookmakers, the team will be McVeigh, Kelly, O'Carroll, Shields, O'Leary, McKernan, Kissane, Keenan, Walsh, Hughes, Clarke, Doyle, Goulding, O'Connor, Brogan. How many have they got wrong do you think. Maybe - O'Carroll and Kissane.
I don't think the players highlighted deserve an all-star.
Walsh certainly does IMO, people seem to be hung up on his poor shooting in earlier rounds but that aside he was still cleaning all round him. Both Kerry midfielders were taken off in the drawn game for example and he did well enough against Dublin and Roscommon too. Walsh and Dara McAuley would be my midfield, though Keenan would be unlucky to miss out, as would Galvin in Limerick.
O'Carroll deserves one too IMO.
Goulding certainly shouldn't get one and nor should O'Leary but Kissane might deserve one as he was pretty good all year.
When are these announced?
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Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
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Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
he might deserve MOTM for kicking 9/10 points, but it shouldnt automatically get him an all star
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
And Mr Sludden, his umpires and the cowardly GAA top brass didnt I suppose
FFS he made a mistake give it a rest. McEnaney made a similar mistake in the AISF and we never heard the half of it.
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Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
Don't underestimate the importance of a good free taker without him Down would be champs now, the last time i remember a individual performance like that was from Joyce in 2001.... 10 points all frees i think
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When are these announced?
The awards cermony takes place on Friday night.
Don't think Goulding deserves one at all nor did he deserve MOTM (if he got it).
He was great last year but hasn't been anywhere near as good this year.
Frees alone do not deserve an all star.
McEneabey's mistake not near the magnitude of Sludden's. Early first half where no-one knows if it changed the face of game vs last chance in game which changes the face of the result. No contest.
Quote from: The Worker on October 11, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
When are these announced?
The football ones are officially announced Thursday afternoon but will be leaked up to 24 hours beforehand.
The hurling ones are officially announced Friday night on TV but are leaked 4 or 5 hours beforehand.
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Quote from: The Worker on October 11, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
When are these announced?
The football ones are officially announced Thursday afternoon but will be leaked up to 24 hours beforehand.
The hurling ones are officially announced Friday night on TV but are leaked 4 or 5 hours beforehand.
thanks
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Quote from: ross4life on September 25, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
Don't underestimate the importance of a good free taker without him Down would be champs now, the last time i remember a individual performance like that was from Joyce in 2001.... 10 points all frees i think
Joyce kicked 5 or 6 points from play that day while being marked by Darren Fay, very different performance than Gouldings.
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Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
Don't underestimate the importance of a good free taker without him Down would be champs now, the last time i remember a individual performance like that was from Joyce in 2001.... 10 points all frees i think
Joyce kicked 5 or 6 points from play that day while being marked by Darren Fay, very different performance than Gouldings.
5 points from play and 5 from frees.
any word will these be leaked today
1 Brendan McVeigh Down
2 Peter Kelly Kildare
3 Michael Shields Cork
4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
5 Paidi Kiissane Cork
6 Graham Canty Cork
7 Philip Jordan Tyrone
8 Paddy Keenan Louth
9 Aidan Walsh Cork
10 Daniel Hughes Down
11 Martin Clarke Down
12 Johnny Doyle Kildare
13 Colm Cooper Kerry
14. Bernard Brogan Dublin
15. Benny Coulter Down
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1 Brendan McVeigh Down
2 Peter Kelly Kildare
3 Michael Shields Cork
4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
5 Paidi Kiissane Cork
6 Graham Canty Cork
7 Philip Jordan Tyrone
8 Paddy Keenan Louth
9 Aidan Walsh Cork
10 Daniel Hughes Down
11 Martin Clarke Down
12 Johnny Doyle Kildare
13 Colm Cooper Kerry
14. Bernard Brogan Dublin
15. Benny Coulter Down
Surprised Rory O'Carroll, Kevin McKernan and Emmet Bolton didn't make it but I suppose they had to get some Cork men in there somewhere. Is this the first time the AI winners haven't been out there on their own in terms of All-Stars? It's actually not a bad team as All-Stars go...
Canty doesn't deserve an All Star on his performances this year IMO. Dara McAuley should be in instead on Keenan as well, I'd quibble with one or two more but Canty and Keenan are the only two that definitely wouldn't have made my team, with Keenan being a bit unlucky.
Ah Jaysus Zulu, Keenan was the best midfielder on view this summer, agree on Canty though.
Not a bad team overall and not a Meath man among them ;)
Fair Play to Paddy Keenan on becoming Louth's first ever All Star, also looking set to be our first ever international player if reports are to be believed. All that is missing was lifting the Delaney Cup. Anyone who thinks he shouldn't be on the team hasn't a clue!!
Kissane can count himself lucky and I wouldn't have had Peter Kelly in their myself. Aidan Walsh had a very good AI final, but John Galvin can feel agrieved, that should have been his spot.
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Quote from: ross4life on September 25, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
Don't underestimate the importance of a good free taker without him Down would be champs now, the last time i remember a individual performance like that was from Joyce in 2001.... 10 points all frees i think
Joyce kicked 5 or 6 points from play that day while being marked by Darren Fay, very different performance than Gouldings.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suprised but delighted Charlie Harrison got one ;D. Feel sorry for Galvin though he didnt although Aidan Walsh was unbelieveable in final.
Congrats to Charlie, delighted too that Keenan, Doyle and Coulter finally get one.
Quote from: drici on October 13, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
1 Brendan McVeigh Down
2 Peter Kelly Kildare
3 Michael Shields Cork
4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
5 Paidi Kiissane Cork
6 Graham Canty Cork
7 Philip Jordan Tyrone
8 Paddy Keenan Louth
9 Aidan Walsh Cork
10 Daniel Hughes Down
11 Martin Clarke Down
12 Johnny Doyle Kildare
13 Colm Cooper Kerry
14. Bernard Brogan Dublin
15. Benny Coulter Down
A few surprises on that team i guess the bookies got it wrong!
Wasn't expecting any All star for us but Cooper,Coulter instead of D Shine D Goulding D O'Connor? & Charlie Harrison instead of R O'Carroll? (he wasn't even Sligo best defender this year)
Anyways Congrats to the winners
Why did Harrison get one? a bit of pandering i think. They beat two average teams in Connacht, bottle the final to Roscommon and then get hammered by Down. Very surprising. If anyone fron the Sligo team was going to get an allstar it would be Mayo man Alan Costelloe.
Costello was one of the surprise obmission from the nominations & bookies odds beforehand said connacht's best chance of an All-Star would be Harrison.. so they got that spot on
Canty should have been nowhere near one and I wouldn't be too convinced on Harrison or Kissane either. Personally I thought Kissane was the weak link in the Cork defense.
Cooper, while everyone crumbled round him, was superb against Down. He was also, if I recall correctly, very good against cork both days so I think merits one. I really never believed Goulding deserved one. I think Canty got one for the vote of giving cork one more.
A wee bit disappointed not to see John Galvin getting one.
I'd have no qualms whatsoever with the six forwards picked. No Cork player deserved to get in there tbf.
I'd have had Galvin in midfield and I'm not sure at all about the half-back line - Kevin McKernan and Éamonn Callaghan had better years than Canty.
Well done to Peter Kelly and particularly Johnny Doyle on a long overdue award.
Canty getting one is a joke. Kevin McKernan was outstanding for Down and was much more accomplished than each member selected in the half back line. He has been disgracefully left out. How Charlie Harrison and Peter Kelly where selected ahead of Rory OCarroll is also poor judgement.
I thought Daniel Goulding deserved an allstar while Paddy Kelly, Emmett Bolton, and Michael Darragh McAuley where unlucky not to win awards.
Nice to see Benny Coulter getting an all star after ten years of pure brilliance for Down alongside Danny Hughes, Marty Clarke and Brendan McVeigh.
Raging i didn't back Benny coulter at 8/1 when PP announced the prices! Pleasantly surprised cork didn't manage to get a spot in the forwards though I'd imagine Goulding will feel very aggrieved. Serious full forward line.
Delighted for John Doyle
Complete joke and has no credibility left.
Cant believe Mc Mahon didnt get one.
Canty had no business being nominated never mind getting one.
As good as he was in the final. Aiden Walsh shouldnt have got one either.
Cant believe John Galvin didnt get one
Keenan deserves his though.
While we could argue a few points, from a Down perspective 4 is about right.Might not have been the 4 I would have picked but the panel have spoken.
Delighted for Benny Coulter- shame on the RTE team of the year panel.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 13, 2010, 07:15:51 PM
While we could argue a few points, from a Down perspective 4 is about right.Might not have been the 4 I would have picked but the panel have spoken.
Delighted for Benny Coulter- shame on the RTE team of the year panel.
That has me thinking how many they got right?
A Quirke Cork
P Kelly KldareM Shields CorkP McMahon Dublin
P Kissane CorkK McKernan Down
E Bolton Kildare
P Keenan LouthM D McAuley Dublin
D Hughes DownM ClarkeP Kelly Cork
D Goulding Cork
B Brogan Dublin C Cooper KerryNot bad i guess :-\
What is it about Kildare that gets All Stars on a quiet year? They got three in 1997 for winning one match and losing a Leinster semi final. Journalists are like politicians, they throw things out to gain access and influence, Harrison of Sligo an All Star and Galvan from Limerick not? Its a joke. But it was long ago most people saw them for what they were. David Heaney from Mayo was outstanding all season in 2004 and had a poor final. Canty was injured all this season and had a good twenty minutes in the final and gets one, was it because he was Corks captain?. All Stars...more like All S****. How can Canty get one and Nicholas Murphy not get one? How come Donie Shine who's team actually won something in Connacht this year as opposed to a shower who were blinded by their own wind and letters from important people like TDs ! ,didnt get one?
Philly Jordan ::) :-\ not for me
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 13, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
Philly Jordan ::) :-\ not for me
Jordan best WHB in the country this year. Can't think of anyone better.
Great for Phillip Jordan. Shone this year for Tyrone and delighted he has been rewarded for it.
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
Quote from: INDIANA on October 13, 2010, 06:58:43 PM
Complete joke and has no credibility left.
Cant believe Mc Mahon didnt get one.
Canty had no business being nominated never mind getting one.
As good as he was in the final. Aiden Walsh shouldnt have got one either.
Cant believe John Galvin didnt get one
Keenan deserves his though.
Agree 100% Indiana. Big fan of Canty's but not this season especially considering he was injured from the quarter final onwards. Aidan Walsh played his best football in the final but John Galvin would eat him for breakfast considering the form he showed this season.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 13, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
Dont know what you were watching in defeat nobody remembers the good preformances,i`d say the match against dublin was the best half back display of anybody in the c-ship his year.Who wud you have on on front of him?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 13, 2010, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: drici on October 13, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
1 Brendan McVeigh Down
2 Peter Kelly Kildare
3 Michael Shields Cork
4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
5 Paidi Kiissane Cork
6 Graham Canty Cork
7 Philip Jordan Tyrone
8 Paddy Keenan Louth
9 Aidan Walsh Cork
10 Daniel Hughes Down
11 Martin Clarke Down
12 Johnny Doyle Kildare
13 Colm Cooper Kerry
14. Bernard Brogan Dublin
15. Benny Coulter Down
Surprised Rory O'Carroll, Kevin McKernan and Emmet Bolton didn't make it but I suppose they had to get some Cork men in there somewhere. Is this the first time the AI winners haven't been out there on their own in terms of All-Stars? It's actually not a bad team as All-Stars go...
In 1991 Down only got 4 whilst Meath whom they beat in the final got 6.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 13, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
You obviously haven't watched many Tyrone games this year. He played well in every single one, scored in them all, or vast majority.
Quote from: up tyrone on October 13, 2010, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 13, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
Dont know what you were watching in defeat nobody remembers the good preformances,i`d say the match against dublin was the best half back display of anybody in the c-ship his year.Who wud you have on on front of him?
I think Morgan O'Flaherty should feel hard done by as well as Emmett Bolton who had an outstanding year - Eamon Callaghan too for that matter
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 13, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
What is it about Kildare that gets All Stars on a quiet year? They got three in 1997 for winning one match and losing a Leinster semi final. Journalists are like politicians, they throw things out to gain access and influence, Harrison of Sligo an All Star and Galvan from Limerick not? Its a joke. But it was long ago most people saw them for what they were. David Heaney from Mayo was outstanding all season in 2004 and had a poor final. Canty was injured all this season and had a good twenty minutes in the final and gets one, was it because he was Corks captain?. All Stars...more like All S****. How can Canty get one and Nicholas Murphy not get one? How come Donie Shine who's team actually won something in Connacht this year as opposed to a shower who were blinded by their own wind and letters from important people like TDs ! ,didnt get one?
explain the bit in bold if you get a minute
you cant please everyone sir. Canty is the obvious questionable recipient in fairness
Philip Jordan is the best half-back in the country and was a shoe in for an award
As someone said earlier, thats a serious front 6
A good question on another forum..
When is the last time All-Ireland champions had no forwards selected on the All-Star team?
And the other finalist had no defenders.
Quote from: up tyrone on October 13, 2010, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 13, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
Dont know what you were watching in defeat nobody remembers the good preformances,i`d say the match against dublin was the best half back display of anybody in the c-ship his year.Who wud you have on on front of him?
i would said bolton was better but i wouldnt have given peter kelly one
I think that's Jordan's 4th All-Star.
Down, Tyrone and Galway joint 5th on 23 All-Stars.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 23, 2010, 01:02:17 PM
Think the 5 for Kildare is about right, Daryl Flynn would be the obvious omission for Kildare fans but not surprised as his profile isn't particulary high...
From the nominations I'd pick
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Peter Kelly
3. Justin McMahon (Although I can see gerrymandering in play and Shields getting the nod)
4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Graham Canty (will be sentimental I think)
6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton (Although either Noel O'Leary/Paudie Kissane will be selected as this will be more gerrymandering to Cork)
8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Paul Kerrigan
12. Johnny Doyle
13. Bernard Brogan
14. Benny Coulter
15. Donncha O'Connor
4 Cork
4 Down
3 Kildare (Think we'll end up with two)
2 Dublin
1 Tyrone
1 Louth
By the way I don't mind saying this anyway who doesn't realise how good a midfiielder Paddy Keenan is, is just ignorant. One of the top midfielders in Ireland the last 4 years.
9 right and knew Kildare would get two surprised by Harrison, Cooper, Walsh and Jordan though
Well done Colm Cooper on another well deserved All Star but I'd say he will care little about it this week, winning the County Final next weekend with his Dr Crokes will be much higher on his agenda and the opportunity of becoming Kerry captain in 2011 a fitting reward for a great Kerry servant for the last 8 years.
Kieran Donaghy and Austin Stacks will have something to say about the destination of the Bishop Moynihan Cup and the Kerry armband too, and whoever wins we will have the Kerry Champions represented in the Munster Club this year for the first time in a long time as the last few county champions have all been divisional teams.
Well done to all winners in the All Stars.
Don't understand how so many are surprised by Jordan's All-Star. Goes to show how you can never please people with these types of awards.
He was outstanding in every game, especially those in which Tyrone were struggling. The best half-back in the country this year.
Would have to agree about Canty though, token award to keep the Cork figures up and not create an even bigger storm.
You certainly can't accuse them of favouring the Dubs this year, MD MacAuley and less so McMahon unlucky.
Cork wpn the All Ireland and the national league, the double, and they don't have an All star forward, balls. Goulding who was consistant all year, and puts in the big pressure performance when his team needed him most gets ignored, jez lads do ya know anything at all
corrected, stupid ballox, i am, but i still stand by my point
Quote from: shawshank on October 13, 2010, 10:44:07 PM
Cork wpn the All Ireland and the national league, the double, went through the front door and they don't have an All star forward, balls. Goulding who was consistant all year, and puts in the big pressure performance when his team needed him most gets ignored, jez lads do ya know anything at all
Kerry beat Cork in Munster semi
I would have though Donie Shine might have gotten one to mark Roscommon's Connacht title.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 13, 2010, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 13, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
What is it about Kildare that gets All Stars on a quiet year? They got three in 1997 for winning one match and losing a Leinster semi final. Journalists are like politicians, they throw things out to gain access and influence, Harrison of Sligo an All Star and Galvan from Limerick not? Its a joke. But it was long ago most people saw them for what they were. David Heaney from Mayo was outstanding all season in 2004 and had a poor final. Canty was injured all this season and had a good twenty minutes in the final and gets one, was it because he was Corks captain?. All Stars...more like All S****. How can Canty get one and Nicholas Murphy not get one? How come Donie Shine who's team actually won something in Connacht this year as opposed to a shower who were blinded by their own wind and letters from important people like TDs ! ,didnt get one?
explain the bit in bold if you get a minute
you cant please everyone sir. Canty is the obvious questionable recipient in fairness
Philip Jordan is the best half-back in the country and was a shoe in for an award
As someone said earlier, thats a serious front 6
No he isn't.
Tomás Ó Sé is the best half-back to have played the game.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 13, 2010, 11:22:26 PM
No he isn't.
Tomás Ó Sé is the best half-back to have played the game.
Feck me. Are you 125?
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Quote from: DuffleKing on October 13, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
I couldn't work out how jordan got nominated never mind getting one
You obviously haven't watched many Tyrone games this year. He played well in every single one, scored in them all, or vast majority.
Everyone thinks they have the most beautiful wife at home.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
I would have though Donie Shine might have gotten one to mark Roscommon's Connacht title.
Yup we usually get at least one after winning a Connacht title & Shine didn't even get a nomination for the YPOTY - Graham Reilly, Peter Kelly ,Adian Walsh.
IMO that's a joke not getting a nomination! without a doubt he was one of the best young players this year
A few lads are being very harsh on Aidan Walsh, while he kicked some awful wides he actually played very well all year and deserves his All Star. While I accept Keenan played very well, he was poor against Dublin and was out of the championship before the really big games started so I'd give the nod to McAuley and Walsh. R. O'Connell (Dublin) would also make my team I think.
I suppose these things can always be debated and as someone else said Canty is the only glaring mistake.
ExiledGael QuoteGoes to show how you can never please people with these types of awards.
You'll never please everybody with any award due to the fact that it is awarded (usually by someone other than yourself).
The only way to solve it is to put all the nominees in a field and tell them that the last 15 standing are the winners. There could be no argument as they would have actually won something rather than be awarded something.
Of the 4 provincial winners, there are only 2 awards, none for Ros or Meath, 1 each for Kerry and Tyrone. You'd imagine that Joe sheridan would be a shoe-in for his dramatic and technically brilliant execution in the Leinster final !!!!! Joking aside it's great to see that the 'real' leinster champs have an all-star, scant consolation but there is an element of poetic justice for the Louth gaels. Something for the Royals to ponder on though, deservedly nada for them only a tarnished leinster medal. Shine should have got one for Ros!
Not sure how John Galvin didn't make that team, he almost pulled Limerick back to get a win vs Kerry and dominated the Cork midfield in the qualifiers, and a Walsh gets one ahead of him. Nuts! ???
Quote from: highball on October 14, 2010, 12:10:28 AM
Not sure how John Galvin didn't make that team, he almost pulled Limerick back to get a win vs Kerry and dominated the Cork midfield in the qualifiers, and a Walsh gets one ahead of him. Nuts! ???
Walsh was also very poor v us.. he was taken off at half time replaced by Murphy
Goulding did not deserve an award, hit a few frees but didn't set the world alight from play. Graham Canty shouldn't have got one, barely played any football this year and he was hardly outstanding when he did. As for Colm Cooper, anybody that criticises him being selected on the team clearly don't have a clue, because if they had watched the games he played this year and seen that he was in top form and was practically unmarkable.
I thought that Justin McMahon should have got the full-back award too.
I don't understand how people are questioning Philip Jordan's selection either; he has been the best wing back in the Country over the past 10 years and has basically redefined the position. He had a poor 2009 but after surgery has came back stronger this year and didn't give his man a sniff in all the games and actually contributed a handsome tally himself.
QuoteNot sure how John Galvin didn't make that team, he almost pulled Limerick back to get a win vs Kerry and dominated the Cork midfield in the qualifiers, and a Walsh gets one ahead of him. Nuts!
not being smart highball but how many games did Limerick play this year? you need to be there or thereabouts at the end of the season to be in with a strong shout , having said that I don't know how canty deserved one
Well Done Philly-for the haters across the water :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
I don't understand how people are questioning Philip Jordan's selection either; he has been the best wing back in the Country over the past 10 years and has basically redefined the position. He had a poor 2009 but after surgery has came back stronger this year and didn't give his man a sniff in all the games and actually contributed a handsome tally himself.
Yeah anyone giving out about Philip Jordan or Cooper didnt watch enough matches.
Though any chance you can explain how Jordan redefined the position? - Jordan is a super half back but as examples Sean Og De Paor, Paul Curran and Tomas O Se played/play the game in the same fashion as Jordan. Though Moynihan for me is the best half back over last 15 years
Quote from: haze on October 14, 2010, 09:23:45 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2010, 09:01:11 AM
I don't understand how people are questioning Philip Jordan's selection either; he has been the best wing back in the Country over the past 10 years and has basically redefined the position. He had a poor 2009 but after surgery has came back stronger this year and didn't give his man a sniff in all the games and actually contributed a handsome tally himself.
Yeah anyone giving out about Philip Jordan or Cooper didnt watch enough matches.
Though any chance you can explain how Jordan redefined the position? - Jordan is a super half back but as examples Sean Og De Paor, Paul Curran and Tomas O Se played/play the game in the same fashion as Jordan. Though Moynihan for me is the best half back over last 15 years
Watch More Matches-Philly has now redefined the playmaker position to the half back line. Albeit in Brian McGuigan's absense, the tactic was forced upon Tyrone, but the no.7 is now the Tyrone playmakerl.
Brian Dooher has redfined the wing half forward position but Jordan is just an excellent attacking wing half back. There's been many before him and will be many after him.
Other teams model their wing half forwards on Dooher. I wouldn't say anyone models their wing half backs on Jordan...
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 23, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
He's one of the best midfielders in the country.
Down have 3 better midfielders. Cork 3 maybe 4. He wouldnt make the Kerry reserves. I could go on, but you get my drift. It is nothing more than a sympathy vote because of the Leinster final.
Utter nonsense, I presume you're on the wind up. He'd be first choice for Kerry, Down and IMO Cork. Anyway my team is on the left and the team I think the commitae will pick is on the right:
1. Brendan McVeigh 1. Alan Quirke
2. Peter Kelly 2. Peter Kelly
3. Rory O'Carroll 3. Michael Shields
4. Michael Shields 4. Rory O'Carroll
5. Philip Jordan 5. Noel O'Leary
6. Kevin McKernan 6. Kevin McKernan
7. Emmet Bolton 7. Emmet Bolton
8. Michael D Macauley 8. Aidan Walsh
9. Paddy Keenan 9. Paddy Keenan
10. Daniel Hughes 10. Daniel Hughes
11. Johnny Doyle 11. Martin Clarke
12. Graham Reilly 12. Johnny Doyle
13. Colm Cooper 13. Bernard Brogan
14. Bernard Brogan 14. Donncha O'Connor
15. Benny Coulter 15. Benny Coulter
1 Cork :o 5 Cork
4 Down 4 Down
3 Kildare 3 Kildare
3 Dublin 2 Dublin
1 Louth 1 Louth
1 Kerry
1 Tyrone
1 Eastmeath
Even trying to second guess the commitae is near impossible...
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 14, 2010, 09:28:41 AM
Brian Dooher has redfined the wing half forward position but Jordan is just an excellent attacking wing half back. There's been many before him and will be many after him.
Other teams model their wing half forwards on Dooher. I wouldn't say anyone models their wing half backs on Jordan...
Could not agree more with the above post.
Jordan redefining the position of half back is hyperbole gone mad... Our of interest, was it this year he became the Tyrone playmaker or was it when McGuigan initially got injured?
All the talk about Canty, I am not surprised with the sentimental all star that he got, even though Mc Kiernan was clearly the man for this spot. They did their best not to give Down more than Cork. His all star at FB in 2007 was even worse, as he was destroyed on several occasions that year and still got the nod, if he didn't deserve one this year, he definitely didn't deserve on in 07!
To those who think Jordan redefined the position...
To redefine the position would that not then mean that other teams then model some of their players on him?
Name one team who does this?
You could name quite a few with Dooher.
Well if they're in the business of giving out sentimental All-Stars they should have given John Galvin one too.
Hmmmmm not sure about this years All Stars to be honest.
I would probably switch McKernan with Canty and I would also agree with Jordan getting one. He is outstanding, not "redefined the position" outstanding as I don't think he does anything new but he is very good at what he does.
Midfield is baffling about Walsh. One good game well one exceptional game does not deserve an All Star and the medioctiry and poor play that came before the final through the year means he shouldn't get one.
I would have given Galvin one and no MD McAuley. McAuley had a good year but never really dominated a game I feel but he is still young and a bit rough around the edges. He will come good soon.
Up front it's hard not to give Cork an Allstar and I feel Goulding should have gotten one but I can't make up my mind who in place of.
Either way it's a hard call and there is no way everyone is going to agree with it. I love the people who crazily over react to it as if it's a curse on their mothers that a certain player didn't get an award. . . catch yourselves on!!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 14, 2010, 12:27:26 PM
Well if they're in the business of giving out sentimental All-Stars they should have given John Galvin one too.
Difference there Jinxy is that I think Galvin would have won his on merit!!
Quote from: screenexile on October 14, 2010, 01:27:05 PM
I love the people who crazily over react to it as if it's a curse on their mothers that a certain player didn't get an award. . . catch yourselves on!!
:D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
I would have though Donie Shine might have gotten one to mark Roscommon's Connacht title.
Ros would need to win a QF to start thinking about allstars.
Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2010, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
I would have though Donie Shine might have gotten one to mark Roscommon's Connacht title.
Ros would need to win a QF to start thinking about allstars.
So what OF did louth,Tyrone,Sligo & kerry win this year to get allstars? & Kevin Walsh got one in 2003 for not winning a QF
Quote from: ross4life on October 14, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 14, 2010, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 13, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
I would have though Donie Shine might have gotten one to mark Roscommon's Connacht title.
Ros would need to win a QF to start thinking about allstars.
So what OF did louth,Tyrone,Sligo & kerry win this year to get allstars? & Kevin Walsh got one in 2003 for not winning a QF
Well argued Ross4life. Donie maybe didnt quite deserve one but the quarterfinal argument is a case of "Seafoid talking Seafoid".
Some good debate on here fair play folks
QuoteSo what OF did louth,Tyrone,Sligo & kerry win this year to get allstars?
We beat Cork, anyone else do so this year in Championship? A fact that pisses off many a Cork man and woman when they mention they have won the double this year, "yerra", says I, "ye still can't bate Kerry when it matters". In fact I think we deserved more than the Gooch's All Star :P
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
QuoteSo what OF did louth,Tyrone,Sligo & kerry win this year to get allstars?
We beat Cork, anyone else do so this year in Championship? A fact that pisses off many a Cork man and woman when they mention they have won the double this year, "yerra", says I, "ye still can't bate Kerry when it matters". In fact I think we deserved more than the Gooch's All Star :P
Short memory Kerry Mike? last year only Cork beat you..
QuoteShort memory Kerry Mike? last year only Cork beat you..
not when it mattered in the All Ireland final they didn't ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 14, 2010, 10:18:41 PM
QuoteShort memory Kerry Mike? last year only Cork beat you..
not when it mattered in the All Ireland final they didn't ;)
Well when Kerry play Cork in the Munster final next July i must remember it doesn't matter to ye
Cork's one beating was a one point defeat after extra time in a replay v the 2009 All Ireland champs compared to Kerry who should have been beaten by 9ts by a team that hadn't played in a QF before this year
Sometimes you have to swallow your pride & say they are the best! IMO will take a damn good team to knock Cork off their perch next year
I think Kerry Mike's point is that Cork may have won the AI but they never beat Kerry to get it and that will hurt Cork
Pretty much like Tyrone people can say to Kerry Mike when Kerry won their All Irelands ;)
Agree completely with all Screen Exiles points.
Jordan was as good this year as he has been and as for Canty pipping McKernan?
Probably didn't want to have 5 Down vs 3 Cork and couldn't agree on any Cork forwards.
There seems to be one of these plucked from the air every year.
Last year Kennelly got 1 despite not starting most games and Canavan got 1 in 2005 at CHF instead of Brian McGuigan.
Is it like the Oscars where Scorcese and Paul Newman get honoured at the end of their careers?
It would be interesting to be afly on the wall as these decisions are hammerred out.
QuoteSometimes you have to swallow your pride & say they are the best!
Wan Swallow never made a summer but Cork were deserving winners this year and as I always say its great that the smaller counties in Munster like Cork can finally show the rest of the Country that we are not just a one team province.
QuotePretty much like Tyrone people can say to Kerry Mike when Kerry won their All Irelands
I hate having to keep bringing up 1986 again but some of ye Tyrone wans just dont appreciate the power of history. Imagine being baten out the gate by a bunch of old men, most of them crippled with knee and hip injuries while winning their eight All Irelands :P
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Quote from: western exile on October 12, 2010, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 25, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
Any player that scores 9/10 points in a All Ireland Final deserves an All-Star
From frees? ???
Don't underestimate the importance of a good free taker without him Down would be champs now, the last time i remember a individual performance like that was from Joyce in 2001.... 10 points all frees i think
Padraig Joyce scored 5 from play and 5 from frees in the '01 final as I remember.
Who is actually on the panel and what criteria do they have? I have heard rumours of some boys who know not too much about the games.
You could argue for and against people but I think 14 of 15 this year are close to right at least. Canty getting one is a bit farcical though as was Canavan in 2005 and quite a few other decisions.
They should probably overhaul the panel to get some credibility back in the thing or get players voting, or managers or the like.
Paddy Power has stopped taking bets on 33/1 outsider Liam Watson making the hurling selection.
Delighted for Philip Jordan - a great season and well deserved.
Donncha O'Connor was the difference in the National League Final and the All-Ireland Final and had a good season besides.
No forward deserved to be ahead of him.
Is there a GPA version this year? Or is there just these ones as they are under the GAA umbrella now?
Quote from: muppet on October 15, 2010, 01:21:30 PM
Donncha O'Connor was the difference in the National League Final and the All-Ireland Final and had a good season besides.
No forward deserved to be ahead of him.
Are you serious? Bernard Brogan has been the stand-out forward by a country mile this year.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 15, 2010, 01:21:30 PM
Donncha O'Connor was the difference in the National League Final and the All-Ireland Final and had a good season besides.
No forward deserved to be ahead of him.
Are you serious? Bernard Brogan has been the stand-out forward by a country mile this year.
Donnacha O Connor only scored 7 points from play during the championship- didnt play against Cavan or Wexford, came on as a sub against Roscommon and Limerick. Dont think this is forward of the year material.
I was surprised that so many predicted an all star for him even allowing for strong displays in both league and all ireland finals
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 15, 2010, 01:21:30 PM
Donncha O'Connor was the difference in the National League Final and the All-Ireland Final and had a good season besides.
No forward deserved to be ahead of him.
Are you serious? Bernard Brogan has been the stand-out forward by a country mile this year.
As were the likes of Declan Browne and Mattie Forde in their day.
However All-Stars have always been loaded in favour of titles. If you are the man in an All Ireland Final (not a free-taker either) then you can expect your nod. He was very hard done by.
Don't forget the penalty & three late free's O'Connor scored to beat Dublin
anyone here have any early money on benny?
Quote from: Banana Man on October 14, 2010, 09:05:41 AM
QuoteNot sure how John Galvin didn't make that team, he almost pulled Limerick back to get a win vs Kerry and dominated the Cork midfield in the qualifiers, and a Walsh gets one ahead of him. Nuts!
not being smart highball but how many games did Limerick play this year? you need to be there or thereabouts at the end of the season to be in with a strong shout , having said that I don't know how canty deserved one
Well getting Man of the match vs Kerry in the Munster final after a loss, dominating Cork midfield in the next qualifier should come in ahead of a player that got taken off vs Rosscommon for sure. Look, this is suppose to be the best players in the country for any given position. Sure the more games you play the more exposure you get so the odds of winning is higher. Galvin almost pulled Limerick back to win the Munster final by himself against the AI champs (at the time) and was the best player on the field vs the current AI champs - that should stand for something. So I can't understand Walsh's inclusion in here. I would have put Galvin ahead of Keenan in here (Keenan deserves his however), who did Louth play this year that were close to Kerry or Cork?
Who picks the All Stars? Should in be the intercounty managers?
Quote from: The Worker on October 15, 2010, 05:46:11 PM
anyone here have any early money on benny?
Was gonna but someone here put me off saying he would be selected in the half forward line :-\ Canty was 6/1
well done to brendy mc veigh,danny hughes,marty clarke and especially king benny on their all star awards.might be biased but thought kevin mc kernan desrved one as well.roll on 2011
Oh my God that was SO funny. Paddy Kielty and Paddy Mc Kenna were interviewd just now by Michael Lester.
Paddy Mc Kenna started and Michael Lester I think had to cut the interview short. The type of jokes / stories weren't altogether suitable for ealry evening television.
;) ;D
Wha is this f**king crap on now?
are u referring to the dancing at the end?!
Quote from: orangeman on October 15, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
Oh my God that was SO funny. Paddy Kielty and Paddy Mc Kenna were interviewd just now by Michael Lester.
Paddy Mc Kenna started and Michael Lester I think had to cut the interview short. The type of jokes / stories weren't altogether suitable for ealry evening television.
;) ;D
Neil Delamare you mean??? Hilarious
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on October 15, 2010, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 15, 2010, 07:50:33 PM
Oh my God that was SO funny. Paddy Kielty and Paddy Mc Kenna were interviewd just now by Michael Lester.
Paddy Mc Kenna started and Michael Lester I think had to cut the interview short. The type of jokes / stories weren't altogether suitable for ealry evening television.
;) ;D
Neil Delamare you mean??? Hilarious
Aye Neil Delamere. Apologies to Paddy Mc Kenna.
I'd say that's the last time Neil will be asked to do live TV with the GAA.
It was hilarious alright.
The looks on the lads faces when that shite at the end was going on was priceless (especially Damian Hayes). Along with the interview with Kielty and especially Delamare that bombed it goes to show how crap RTE are. I'm pretty sure Lyster doesn't "have a feeling, that tonights gonna be a good night" .
Gaa meets X factor!! dire to say the least!!
Reading the reviews thankfully i missed it
Quote from: T O Hare on October 15, 2010, 08:10:57 PM
Gaa meets X factor!! dire to say the least!!
Embarassing.
I couldn't watch that dancing at the end. Embarassing beyond belief.
Delighted for Paddy Keenan, well deserved All Star. While it will never go close to making up for the Leinster final fiasco, it is still a hell of an achievement. Congrats to all the other recipients as well. Glad that Benny Coulter got an award, well worth it, especially at 8/1. Surprised that the Gooch got one, also surprised at Harrisons inclusion. Thought young Donie Shine should have got one.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on October 15, 2010, 08:56:14 PM
Delighted for Paddy Keenan, well deserved All Star. While it will never go close to making up for the Leinster final fiasco, it is still a hell of an achievement. Congrats to all the other recipients as well. Glad that Benny Coulter got an award, well worth it, especially at 8/1. Surprised that the Gooch got one, also surprised at Harrisons inclusion. Thought young Donie Shine should have got one.
Jesus, are you
still going on about that?
Bernard Brogan named as the Footballer of the Year (no surprise) & Cork Aidan Walsh picked up the Young Footballer of the Year award (debatable)
Proved again how unfunny Kielty is.
The dance routine at the end was satire or a wind up. Right??
How did Kielty keep saying Down got three all stars? Embarassing.
Thought the two of them weren't that funny really...
The dancing at the start and the end was a joke, not needed and there was some of them who were actually shit dancers.
Could they not have scrapped the dancing and shown a highlight package of the award winners? Even twenty to thirty seconds each?
Pathetic show.
Quote from: Leo on October 15, 2010, 10:15:47 PM
Proved again how unfunny Kielty is.
The dance routine at the end was satire or a wind up. Right??
Possibly the most cringe worthy thing i have seen. Its up on the Iplayer.
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1082791
RTE have made a complete balls of the All Star's night just like they did with the 125 Late Late show. I'll give the GAA the benefit of the doubt and say that they had little input into last nights sham/joke production.
The dancing at the start and end was terrible and was pointless and added nothing to the night. All this served to do was put WTF expressions on the faces of the players.
They should announce both teams on the night.
They should show the nominees for each position and some clips of each of them and then announce the winner. This gives the nominees some recognition on the big night.
After the two teams been picked interview a few from each team and maybe both winning managers.
Never have Kieltyesque clowns near the thing again. Car crash TV.
The All Stars show should be a simple production to put together and I just can't belive that RTE could make such a complete hames of it.
Do RTE have a program like Points of View that BBC used to do?
Load of balls. There's no need to be televising the All Stars at all.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 16, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
Load of balls. There's no need to be televising the All Stars at all.
There is every right to televise the All Stars, its just that RTE make a hames of it. The awards should not be known until they are announced on TV, it really takes away from the occasion.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 15, 2010, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on October 15, 2010, 08:56:14 PM
Delighted for Paddy Keenan, well deserved All Star. While it will never go close to making up for the Leinster final fiasco, it is still a hell of an achievement. Congrats to all the other recipients as well. Glad that Benny Coulter got an award, well worth it, especially at 8/1. Surprised that the Gooch got one, also surprised at Harrisons inclusion. Thought young Donie Shine should have got one.
Jesus, are you still going on about that?
What's your hurry? give him a bit more time. Kerry fans still can't get over the sideway glances the Cork players gave to Kerry at the Munster Championship.
Well done to Bernard Brogan, a forgone conclusion if ever there was one.
I saw a bit of the dancing as I was flicking around the channels.
GUBU stuff.
It says a lot that I went out of my way to avoid this programme as it couldn't BUT be an absolute train-wreck given RTE's track record at this sort of thing.
They've outdone themselves this time.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 16, 2010, 04:03:47 PM
I saw a bit of the dancing as I was flicking around the channels.
GUBU stuff.
It says a lot that I went out of my way to avoid this programme as it couldn't BUT be an absolute train-wreck given RTE's track record at this sort of thing.
They've outdone themselves this time.
The most cringe worthy bit was at the end of the first dance when your one wouldnt get out of the way of Michael Lister.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 16, 2010, 04:03:47 PM
I saw a bit of the dancing as I was flicking around the channels.
GUBU stuff.
It says a lot that I went out of my way to avoid this programme as it couldn't BUT be an absolute train-wreck given RTE's track record at this sort of thing.
They've outdone themselves this time.
its a train wreck because of the presenters. The comedians were better. Youd swear Lyster had never seen the inside of a porn mag he moved so quickly to close matters
QuoteHow did Kielty keep saying Down got three all stars? Embarassing.
Kielty was making reference to the three forward All-Stars which Down got and Cork got none, and then was making reference to the three using Neil as a 'target' - although I'm sure McVeigh wouldn't have minded either.
Having been at the show myself they certainly helped lift the crowd after many weren't delighted by the dancers. Tightest produced All-Stars in recent years.
Joke of a show which suits the joke of a selection.
Cork did the league championship double, highest scorers from play in the league, 2 of their forwards score 14 points between them in the final and not a single forwards
gets an award? Seems like a deliberate insult to Cork from these know nothing Journalists. That said its even more puzzling that Canty gets an award from so little game time. The only conclusion is that the people who select them know nothing about football.
Paidi O' Se's team of the year....
McVeigh
M O'Se Shields Cadogan
O'Leary McKernan T. O'Se
Galvin Walsh
B.White D.Shine J.Doyle
Cooper Brogan Coulter
Strange...
Just watched the show there on Youtube....apart from the dancing I thought it was quite good....Delamare and Kielty were funny although I think Michael Lyster got a cupla focal in his earpiece to pull the plug before the hoors really let loose. :D
Nominees for Opel GPA Football Team of the Year 2010:
1. Stephen Cluxton (Dublin) / Brendan McVeigh (Down) / Alan Quirke (Cork)
2. Charlie Harrison (Sligo) / Seanie McDermott (Roscommon) / Peter Kelly (Kildare)
3. Justin McMahon (Tyrone) / Rory O'Carroll (Dublin) / Michael Shields (Cork)
4. John O'Brien (Louth) / Eoin Cadogan (Cork) / Philly McMahon (Dublin)
5. Kevin McKernan (Down) / Tomas Ó Sé ( Kerry) / Stephen Lavin (Limerick)
6. Graham Canty (Cork) / Conor Gormley ( Tyrone) / Emmet Bolton (Kildare)
7. Paudie Kissane (Cork) / Philip Jordan (Tyrone) / Damien Freeman (Monaghan)
8/9. Paddy Keenan (Louth) / John Galvin (Limerick) / Aidan Walsh (Cork) / Michael Darragh Macauley (Dublin) / Daryl Flynn (Kildare) / Dick Clerkin (Monaghan)
10. Patrick Kelly (Cork) / Daniel Hughes (Down) / Alan Costello (Sligo)
11. Martin Clarke (Down) / Joe Sheridan (Meath) / Eamon Callaghan (Kildare)
12. John Doyle (Kildare) / Cathal Cregg (Roscommon) / Graham Reilly (Meath)
13. Daniel Goulding (Cork) / David Kelly (Sligo) / Colm Cooper (Kerry)
14. Donie Shine (Roscommon) / Benny Coulter (Down) / Steven McDonnell (Armagh)
15. Donncha O'Connor (Cork) / Bernard Brogan (Dublin) / James Kavanagh (Kildare)
Nominees for Opel GPA Player of the Year for Football 2010:
Bernard Brogan (Dublin) / Benny Coulter (Down) / John Doyle (Kildare)
Quote from: haze on October 17, 2010, 11:05:55 AM
Paidi O' Se's team of the year....
McVeigh
M O'Se Shields Cadogan
O'Leary McKernan T. O'Se
Galvin Walsh
B.White D.Shine J.Doyle
Cooper Brogan Coulter
Strange...
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One way of putting it alright!
Quote from: AFS on October 21, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
Nominees for Opel GPA Player of the Year for Football 2010:
Bernard Brogan (Dublin) / Benny Coulter (Down) / John Doyle (Kildare)
Nominated for the GPA Player of the Year yet wasn't considered good enough for The Sunday Game's team of the year - work that one out ::)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2010, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: AFS on October 21, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
Nominees for Opel GPA Player of the Year for Football 2010:
Bernard Brogan (Dublin) / Benny Coulter (Down) / John Doyle (Kildare)
Nominated for the GPA Player of the Year yet wasn't considered good enough for The Sunday Game's team of the year - work that one out ::)
Yeah, the GPA are way off on this one ;) ;D
Surprised Packie McConnell didn't get nominated for the keeper award. He had great perfromances in all the games he played in the championship this year.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on October 22, 2010, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: AFS on October 21, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
Nominees for Opel GPA Player of the Year for Football 2010:
Bernard Brogan (Dublin) / Benny Coulter (Down) / John Doyle (Kildare)
Nominated for the GPA Player of the Year yet wasn't considered good enough for The Sunday Game's team of the year - work that one out ::)
Coulter didnt make the GPA team also
McVeigh
Kelly
Shields
Fitzimmons
O'Leary
McKernan
Bolton
Walsh
McKenna
Hughes
Coulter
Clarke/Kavanagh
Brogan
Goulding
Doyle
what do yous think?
who's mckenna?