Galway to be strong favourites :P
I want Galway, it will be the test for this Mayo team. Got a very bad sunburn at the last Connacht final in Salthill and we got badly abused by Galway people afterwards, called every name under the sun! It wasn't a very good day at all so revenge must be on the cards.
I expect Galway to ease past Sligo.
Not impressed Stephenite :o
A changing of the guard on gaaboard! :D
On the match, I hope it's Galway in the final too. I've yet to see a Mayo senior team win in Pearse Stadium.
Had some v bad days, 07 was a particularly bad day. Scorching hot, Mayo got the run around, McDonald got landed on his arse with a shoulder and the Galway crowd were lapping it up. Not a good day.
I remember being there at an U-21 match when Maughan was in charge as well, and Mayo got absolutely annihalated.
The closest to a Mayo win I witnessed there was Stephenites v Kilmurry-Ibrickens (or however it's spelt).
So it would be great to come up against Galway again and finally beat them in Pearse Stadium. I don't think Galway are particularly strong this year, so we'd have every chance, especially if we can get off to a good start again.
I want Sligo.
Pearse Stadium is a dog of a place to get to. Backed up against the Atlantic you could be in the motor for two solid hours and not even got past city limits on the way home. It's a shocking place. You might have a chance if you were Gráinne Ní Mháille, and could come ashore on the beach from your pirate ship, but otherwise it's a bugger.
Markiewicz Park, however, is a fine spot. If you're on the right side of the ground you can see Ben Bulben in the distance, and recite certain favourite lines of Yeats to soothe the soul.
The last time Mayo played Sligo was in the Hyde, and that too is a fine spot. The only issue is drainage, and the current scorchio! weather means that shouldn't be an issue.
Castlebar is a fine spot also. But Salthill - no, no, a thousand times no!
Salthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
But I want Galway - lets see what we are really worth. It is the big test for both teams. The winner will have a right cut at getting to September.
QuoteSalthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
Oh for the days when Tuam was the epicentre of Galway football. Are there any plans to develop the grounds there.
Regardless of where the game is or the opposition I expect Mayo to win. The league win over Galway was very significant for both teams in terms of the direction they are going this year. If the CF is v Sligo would also expect them to carry way to much power for the Yeats men.
Would rather Tuam myself - at least we've won there in my lifetime. No win in PS since 1967, and I wouldn't be too sure we'd sneak it this time either, especially since the Roscommon 'performance' on Saturday leaves us with no idea if we're up to the level required to win.
Memories of Pearse Stadium? Some bad ones - standing behind the Threadneedle Rd. side goal in 2003 watching another one of our glorious failures, and all through every one of the 70 minutes having to listen to some Galway lad shouting 'Where's your All-Ireland, Mayo? Where's your All-Ireland?'
Not to mention 2007, seeing McDonald get floored when he was blindsided, then having to listen to Galway boys trying to laud that as some kind of achievement.
But I'll take a good memory too - seeing the Mayo u-21s hammer Gaillimh by 7 points there last year. Now that was enjoyable. ;)
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on June 24, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Not to mention 2007, seeing McDonald get floored when he was blindsided, then having to listen to Galway boys trying to laud that as some kind of achievement.
Welcome to the board HAYGO.
Ill always feel bad for McDonald when I think of that match. He will never get the chance to answer the goading and jeering from the Galway crowd. He wasnt even up from going down on the ball when he was hit completely blind and off balance, maddens me when I think of it.
Going back to Pearse Stadium. The traffic logistics of it are shite. Its one way in and one way out.
I would take a chance and park in Terryland early, walk or into Eyre Square (5 mins) and get a bus or walk out to Salthill (15-20 min walk).
When you are coming back out traffic will be at a complete stand still and by the time you are back in Terryland you would be ahead of most of the traffic. If you dont and you park in Salthill I would wait a while, have a pint somewhere and let traffic pass if you are not in a hurry.
Going back to the game, I think we are looking at it all wrong, Galway are there to be knocked in Pearse Stadium. Thats how you should look at it. For the first time in a while we wont really be underdogs going into it and we can take confidence from the league game and the hammering we gave the Rossies. There will be no cloud hanging over us like in 07.
By the way did anyone else hear that Paraic Joyce has retired from Inter County football?
Its true.....
Apparently after seeing the Mayo performance against the Rossies he doesnt see the point in going on. :P ;) :D
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 24, 2009, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on June 24, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
Not to mention 2007, seeing McDonald get floored when he was blindsided, then having to listen to Galway boys trying to laud that as some kind of achievement.
Welcome to the board HAYGO.
Ill always feel bad for McDonald when I think of that match. He will never get the chance to answer the goading and jeering from the Galway crowd. He wasnt even up from going down on the ball when he was hit completely blind and off balance, maddens me when I think of it.
What should madden you more AS is the fact that after Burke "nailed" him, he sauntered up the field, ball in hand, without one mayo man even attempting to exact retribution of any sort. I actually couldnt believe how Mayo went down without a fight that day. I dont think I have ever see a Mayo side so listless versus Galway. I certainly dont expect a similar performance from yer lads if we happen to meet up in the same venue in July.
Is it a 2 o'clock or 4 o'clock game.
Quote from: Barney on June 24, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
Is it a 2 o'clock or 4 o'clock game.
Connacht Final will be a 4pm game according to GAA website Barney.
QuoteQuote from: AbbeySider on Today at 11:52:21 AM
What should madden you more AS is the fact that after Burke "nailed" him, he sauntered up the field, ball in hand, without one mayo man even attempting to exact retribution of any sort. I actually couldnt believe how Mayo went down without a fight that day. I dont think I have ever see a Mayo side so listless versus Galway. I certainly dont expect a similar performance from yer lads if we happen to meet up in the same venue in July.
Agree. Mayo were walking around in a daze. Aside from a bit of pushing and shoving by Brady, nobody put it up to Galway physically. The old Galway thing of 'Rough it up and the Mayo boys will cough it up' certainly held true that day.
I'd hope that the bigger men O'Mahony is bringing in (B Moran, A O'Shea etc) might improve Mayo's overall toughness. It's '96/'97 since we had a team that could handle the rough stuff.
Are you sure it wasn't the Mayo fans jeering McDonald? That's happened too. :P
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 24, 2009, 09:43:44 AM
QuoteSalthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
Regardless of where the game is or the opposition I expect Mayo to win. The league win over Galway was very significant for both teams in terms of the direction they are going this year.
People are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway.
QuotePeople are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway
Yep - better fulfill the fixture. I saw that result as significant and Galway's subsequent failure to reach the league final which I think was what they were aiming at. Will probably have a better idea after Sunday in terms of where Galway are at this year - I am not writing off Sligo's chances.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 24, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
QuotePeople are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway
Will probably have a better idea after Sunday in terms of where Galway are at this year - I am not writing off Sligo's chances.
I just thought, wouldnt this thread be great motivation for Sligo against Galway? Everyone writing Sligo off and Galway thinking they should walk it... It will be interesting to see if an upset is on the cards
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 24, 2009, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 24, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
QuotePeople are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway
Will probably have a better idea after Sunday in terms of where Galway are at this year - I am not writing off Sligo's chances.
I just thought, wouldnt this thread be great motivation for Sligo against Galway? Everyone writing Sligo off and Galway thinking they should walk it...
No need to be making stuff up now. I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.
QuoteNo need to be making stuff up now. I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.
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Salthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
Regardless of where the game is or the opposition I expect Mayo to win. The league win over Galway was very significant for both teams in terms of the direction they are going this year.
People are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway.
;D
Quote from: Barney on June 24, 2009, 02:39:29 PM
QuoteNo need to be making stuff up now. I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.
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Salthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
Regardless of where the game is or the opposition I expect Mayo to win. The league win over Galway was very significant for both teams in terms of the direction they are going this year.
People are certainly reading a lot into that match but sure we'll see. We'll tog out anyway.
;D
Was referring to our next game to honest.
well at least it looks like mayo could put up a fight this year, last year mort the younger was thrown into the goal netting by ryam mcmenimen, nobody on the team said or done anything, now if steven o neill was treated like that what would happen to our aggressor?
i think galway will beat sligo but not by a lot, sligo had a good league and must be motivated, its not enough though i reckon.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 24, 2009, 09:43:44 AM
QuoteSalthill is a disaster for a match - getting there, getting back, and while there.
Oh for the days when Tuam was the epicentre of Galway football. Are there any plans to develop the grounds there.
Regardless of where the game is or the opposition I expect Mayo to win. The league win over Galway was very significant for both teams in terms of the direction they are going this year. If the CF is v Sligo would also expect them to carry way to much power for the Yeats men.
Ahem .... epicentre of *Connacht* football ..ahem..!
Mayo people may be looking forward to the Connacht final (aka Mayo All-Ireland final); for Galwegians it's just another step on the road towards greater things hopefully. The Tribesmen regard Mayo with the same wry amusement as a hardened sixth class lad would look down on an uppity upwardly-mobile garsun from third class. I guess if/when Mayo play in Pearse stadium it will be akin to when MU play in London - a home tie away from home. The few bob ye bring in will be helpful to the local economy though.
;) ;) :D :D
i suppose mouview that would mean that kilkenny hurlers and the kerry footballers would be in the leaving cert of your world.
sixth class, indeed.
Being completely honest - I don't see Galway doing anything this year. I have been at most of our games this year and I just haven't seen any evidence that we'll be in the mix this year.
If we get past Sligo (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an upset in Markievicz Park on Sunday) I can't see us troubling Mayo.
True - we have a decent record in Pearse against them but I don't read too much into games in previous years.
Mayo will certainly be very motivated having lost to us for the last 2 years.
I can see our midfield being cleaned out. I reckon McGarrity would completely dominate the midfield as we just don't have any ball consistent ball winners there. Bary Cullinane is the only player we have capable of winning clean possession but he is horrendously inconsistent. He will catch everything one day (ala the FBD final v Ros in Tuam this year) and then the next will be substituted having played poorly.
The other players we have around the middle of the park lack the physique to win primary possession.
Along with this - we just don't have the forwards to support Michael Meehan. It is obvious that every team we play will be working overtime to shut Meehan down. While this may result in extra space for other players to do their stuff - we don't have lads capable of taking advantage of this. If we had then we could have beaten Kerry last year - if even one other forward had stepped up to the plate in the 2nd half of that game it could well have been won.
Instead we rely on hard working players like Fiachra Breathnach who just aren't good enough to get the necessary scores.
Padraic Joyce doesn't get many scores from play anymore, Nicky is off the panel and Armstrong and Bane blow hot and cold.
That doesn't leave us with much else which is why I believe we won't go far this year.
Quote from: mannix on June 24, 2009, 04:42:06 PM
well at least it looks like mayo could put up a fight this year, last year mort the younger was thrown into the goal netting by ryam mcmenimen, nobody on the team said or done anything, now if steven o neill was treated like that what would happen to our aggressor?
i think galway will beat sligo but not by a lot, sligo had a good league and must be motivated, its not enough though i reckon.
no mayo have never played like that and rightly so. with the exception of Versus meath 96 where there was extreme provocation ,. Galway for the last 3 or 4 years have obviously targeted this as an area to go at mayo, nut mayo have risen above such gobshitery and long may they continue to do so if we did we'd be no better than our northern brothers
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 24, 2009, 11:58:44 AM
By the way did anyone else hear that Paraic Joyce has retired from Inter County football?
Its true.....
I hope not. For my money JOM has a point in leaving MacDanger off the team (not the panel), when he is on the pitch everyhting goes thru him and it slows it down unbelieveably, but there is a case for having a steady head on the bench but for another discussion. I think its the same with Galway, everything goes thru him and it slows it down, esp when could be thru meehan.
Would love to see sligo beat galway on sunday, but dont think it will happen
Quote from: Barney on June 24, 2009, 08:18:33 AM
Not impressed Stephenite :o
This married lark has messed you up son, we were 4 days waiting for you to start this thread after the semi. If you're not going apply yourself properly someone else has to do it for you. Let this be a warning
Quote from: galwayman on June 24, 2009, 10:20:56 PM
Being completely honest - I don't see Galway doing anything this year. I have been at most of our games this year and I just haven't seen any evidence that we'll be in the mix this year.
If we get past Sligo (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an upset in Markievicz Park on Sunday) I can't see us troubling Mayo.
True - we have a decent record in Pearse against them but I don't read too much into games in previous years.
Mayo will certainly be very motivated having lost to us for the last 2 years.
I can see our midfield being cleaned out. I reckon McGarrity would completely dominate the midfield as we just don't have any ball consistent ball winners there. Bary Cullinane is the only player we have capable of winning clean possession but he is horrendously inconsistent. He will catch everything one day (ala the FBD final v Ros in Tuam this year) and then the next will be substituted having played poorly.
The other players we have around the middle of the park lack the physique to win primary possession.
Along with this - we just don't have the forwards to support Michael Meehan. It is obvious that every team we play will be working overtime to shut Meehan down. While this may result in extra space for other players to do their stuff - we don't have lads capable of taking advantage of this. If we had then we could have beaten Kerry last year - if even one other forward had stepped up to the plate in the 2nd half of that game it could well have been won.
Cute Galway hoors! If ye get to the final i'm sure that ye will be that poor all right!! maybe your right but when ever have Galway been easy for us in any game down through the years.
Instead we rely on hard working players like Fiachra Breathnach who just aren't good enough to get the necessary scores.
Padraic Joyce doesn't get many scores from play anymore, Nicky is off the panel and Armstrong and Bane blow hot and cold.
That doesn't leave us with much else which is why I believe we won't go far this year.
Now we know the line up for Bothar na Trá
Mionúir:
Mi-úsáidóirí Caorigh vs Maigh eo
Sinsir:
Tachtóirí Scadán vs Maigh eo
Hard luck to a gallant Sligo effort but when the crunch came they hadnt enough class in the forward line to choke the herrins.
As for Bóthar na Trá ... Mayo have to be ragin favourites for the Minor/Senior double.
I presume in the usual contempt for things Connacht the TV will cause the minor final to start at noon?
QuoteI presume in the usual contempt for things Connacht the TV will cause the minor final to start at noon?
Senior game at 4pm so presumably minor at 2pm
We will win this by 6 and it might even be 10+ Way too much power, pace and options for the Tribesmen who will do nothing this year. The fact that the game is in Salthill does not matter - we are a better all round team than Galway. We are still 16/1 for the AI - great value . Get on lads and pay for the celebrations.!!!
QuoteWe will win this by 6 and it might even be 10+ Way too much power, pace and options for the Tribesmen who will do nothing this year. The fact that the game is in Salthill does not matter - we are a better all round team than Galway. We are still 16/1 for the AI - great value . Get on lads and pay for the celebrations.!!!
I dont think 16/1 represent good value at all. Get on to Betfair and start laying I think.
Mayo may win this but not by 10 points. Only a Mayo person could ahead of themselves like this ::)
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 25, 2009, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 24, 2009, 10:20:56 PM
Being completely honest - I don't see Galway doing anything this year. I have been at most of our games this year and I just haven't seen any evidence that we'll be in the mix this year.
If we get past Sligo (and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an upset in Markievicz Park on Sunday) I can't see us troubling Mayo.
True - we have a decent record in Pearse against them but I don't read too much into games in previous years.
Mayo will certainly be very motivated having lost to us for the last 2 years.
I can see our midfield being cleaned out. I reckon McGarrity would completely dominate the midfield as we just don't have any ball consistent ball winners there. Bary Cullinane is the only player we have capable of winning clean possession but he is horrendously inconsistent. He will catch everything one day (ala the FBD final v Ros in Tuam this year) and then the next will be substituted having played poorly.
The other players we have around the middle of the park lack the physique to win primary possession.
Along with this - we just don't have the forwards to support Michael Meehan. It is obvious that every team we play will be working overtime to shut Meehan down. While this may result in extra space for other players to do their stuff - we don't have lads capable of taking advantage of this. If we had then we could have beaten Kerry last year - if even one other forward had stepped up to the plate in the 2nd half of that game it could well have been won.
Cute Galway hoors! If ye get to the final i'm sure that ye will be that poor all right!! maybe your right but when ever have Galway been easy for us in any game down through the years.
Instead we rely on hard working players like Fiachra Breathnach who just aren't good enough to get the necessary scores.
Padraic Joyce doesn't get many scores from play anymore, Nicky is off the panel and Armstrong and Bane blow hot and cold.
That doesn't leave us with much else which is why I believe we won't go far this year.
Bloody accurate post GM, good luck to both teams in the final. Neither galway or sligo reach max potential yday but galway will lift it for final, not sure enough to beat mayo. The hunger must be with mayo, like ye owe them, and ye have better overall team on paper to me so I only see mayo losing this if they dont have a winning belief. Cant see galway sorting midfield before then and mayo should win that area and thats enough platform to take it. Mayo will not let galway off the hook like we did. We had bucket loads of character but just not enough quality on the field in the forwards. Still it was a great effort, not too many teams would comback to level at 8-2 down, and there were more positives than negs but we need to sort out the negs for next day. Walsh spoke well after i thought. Not a bad first yr, still has alot to learn at Sligo before he gets the galway job ;).
For me it's simple. If we win midfield against Galway we will win, if we don't win midfield against Galway we don't deserve to be heading for the AI series. Assuming McG, Cafferkey and O'Sé stay fit and well and are in form I'd fancy us.
Enough about this Salthill being a tough place to beat Galway we've only lost there three times recently. In '03 when we were in transition and missed a penalty which could have swung the game, in '05 in one of the worst games of football I had the misfortune to be at and in '07 when we were woeful. The only game of those 3 that I could say we should have won and were the better team at the time was '05. Galway dragged us down to their level that day.
So I'd go in optimistic but not overly so. Galway will have learnt more from their game than we did from ours. They have 3 dangerous forwards that need to be minded and if Hanley plays they have one of the better FB in the business so winning ball won't be as easy as against Ros
I see Munster have gone local and appointed Rory Hickey as ref for their Final.
This worries me greatly and should worry all Connacht gaels - two words - MARTY DUFFY.
Could be a disaster for both teams
Quote from: blast05 on June 28, 2009, 11:05:37 PM
QuoteI presume in the usual contempt for things Connacht the TV will cause the minor final to start at noon?
Senior game at 4pm so presumably minor at 2pm
Thanks be to God. At least I 'll be able to have a lie in and still avoid bloody Claregalway !!!
Quote from: Barney on June 29, 2009, 05:19:36 PM
I see Munster have gone local and appointed Rory Hickey as ref for their Final.
This worries me greatly and should worry all Connacht gaels - two words - MARTY DUFFY.
Could be a disaster for both teams
Ah Barney. I know your pessimism is legendary but to be a disaster for both teams, both would have to lose. Surely even you don't see that happening?
Come to think of it.............Rossies I'm offering 10/1 on both Mayo and Galway losing the Connacht Final. Any takers?
At least Galway had a good test, in fairness Sligo put it up to them although Galway fell asleep for a while during the game.
Mayo didn't even have an opposition during the Roscommon game. The sheepstealers completely rolled over so the game was of no benifit.
Sean Armstrong seems to be the real deal and I would worry about our own full back line against himself and Meehan.
We would be putting Donal Vaughan (mediocre defender at corner back, may lack pace for the corner, better suited to wing back) on Armstrong, with another relative rookie playing fullback in the form of Ger Cafferkey. Keith Higgins will hopefully hold Meehan but we are lacking experience on that line. Liam O Malley could slot in to stay with Armstrong IMO.
If Trevour Howley can hold Joyce we will be doing Ok. I know he wont, he is more of a stopper and sledger rather than a man marker, will Heaney be given his now traditional man marking role against Joyce? Horses for courses.... But I can see whoever is playing at centre back being isolated because Andy Moran and Peadar Gardiner love going forward, leaving lots of space if the attack breaks down and they are not back on time.
Also defensively, Moran and Gardnier are not at their best when on the back foot and actually defending so we could get punished if the Galway half forward line is on form.
We should win midfield, Galway might direct kickouts towards Bergan and away from Heaney/Parsons and McGarity but for the most part we are Ok there. Maybe Harte will drop deep for the Galway kickouts to contest it with Bergan.
Upfront I cant wait to see how Galway are going to deal with the twin towers, Barry Moran and Aidan O Shea.
I thought Galway were not wholly comfortable with high balls against a relatively small Sligo Fullforward line.
They may play a sweeper to play in front of them but who do they leave free, if they sacrifice a forward (most likely) it will give Andy Moran and Gardner license to do damage.
It will be an interesting game, if Sammon gets the tactics right then Galway have a good chance.
Hopefully Mayo wont be c**k the walk going into it, I don't think we will be.
It will be close, Connaught finals always are, but id say Mayo shaving it by 2...
Galway's half-forward line is poor except for Joyce so I'm sure Moran and Gardiner will be exposed, but will be against greater oppostion.
The plan for Galway at midfield at this stage is to flood the midfield, break ball and hopefully win the majority of the breaks. it won't be pretty but that's the way it goes. If they break anyways close to 50-50, then they have a good chance.
I think the Galway defence may handle the big men better than the small fast guys like Kelly last week. They coped well in last year's Connacht final with the long ball in. It's the small nippy guys they struggle to handle.
I know we can say Galway were tested but they didn't look good. They say the sign of a good team is if they play badly and win. Of course to look at it in another way, if you play badly, it may be you are a bad team. May be an exaggeration but you get my point!!!!
Quote from: myball22 on June 30, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
Galway's half-forward line is poor except for Joyce so I'm sure Moran and Gardiner will be exposed, but will be against greater oppostion.
The plan for Galway at midfield at this stage is to flood the midfield, break ball and hopefully win the majority of the breaks. it won't be pretty but that's the way it goes. If they break anyways close to 50-50, then they have a good chance.
I think the Galway defence may handle the big men better than the small fast guys like Kelly last week. They coped well in last year's Connacht final with the long ball in. It's the small nippy guys they struggle to handle.
I know we can say Galway were tested but they didn't look good. They say the sign of a good team is if they play badly and win. Of course to look at it in another way, if you play badly, it may be you are a bad team. May be an exaggeration but you get my point!!!!
Wouldn't agree with that at all now. They lined out with Bane and Bergin (not sure where he'll end up playing though, maybe as a third midfielder) either side of Joyce against Sligo, and they are quality players. Bane might not be great at contributing in general play but the lad can score and will certainly be dangerous if given space, and Bergin we know is quality. They could start Clancy (who would be of say, Andy Morans level) wing forward and put Bane in the corner but either way their half forwards are as good as Mayos considering we have T Mortimer at 11 who is hardly in Joyces league and then Harte and Dillon aren't much better or worse than what Galway have.
That is a worry though about Moran and Gardiner. Both of whom are very fit and energetic, and can take a score, but they are suspect defensively. I think Mayo will just shade midfield, so it should be a tight game overall. Here's hoping our forwards can do the biz...
It is illogical to say that Galway have a poor half forward line as its impossible to know who will start in positions 10 & 12 the next day. Would a half-forward line of Armstrong P.Joyce Conroy be poor? I think not! And there is a chance that this is how Galway would line up.
However, I suspect we will see Coleman at number 10.
What I think the team will be for CF:
Faherty
Coyne
Hanley
Burke
Bradshaw
Blake
Sice
Cullinane
Bergin
Coleman
Joyce
Conroy
Clancy
Meehan
Armstrong
This is of course assuming everybody is fit. The team I would love to see start is:
Faherty
Coyne
Hanley
Burke
Bradshaw
Blake
Mullahy
Cullinane
Bergin
Conroy
P. Joyce
N. Joyce
Clancy (Maybe Bane?)
Meehan
Armstrong
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
Not sure where this keeps springing up from that the mean Galway bullies have been picking on the poor wee lads from Mayo. None of the last few games have been in any way dirty compared to what you see in some other provinces. There was barely even a hard shoulder thrown at all in last year's game. Yet I keep seeing Mayo people referring to Galway roughing them up every single year. At least when they lose. It's never mentioned of course if they win. It's become some soft of self-perpetuating myth.
QuoteQuote from: Farrandeelin on Today at 08:31:35 PM
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
Not sure where this keeps springing up from that the mean Galway bullies have been picking on the poor wee lads from Mayo. None of the last few games have been in any way dirty compared to what you see in some other provinces. There was barely even a hard shoulder thrown at all in last year's game. Yet I keep seeing Mayo people referring to Galway roughing them up every single year. At least when they lose. It's never mentioned of course if they win. It's become some soft of self-perpetuating myth.
You're right, there was no 'roughing up' in last year's game. We were just at sea at the start, and couldn't make up the ground.
However, in the Forde years there was definitely a change in approach from Galway. They were far more physical, although I wouldn't call it dirty. But it was a definite departure from the traditional Galway style and wasn't popular with either Galway or Mayo supporters!
It seemed to do the trick against Mayo, but, it either didn't work against other teams, or Galway couldn't muster up the same 'enthusiasm' when they weren't faced with the ould enemy
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 30, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
Not sure where this keeps springing up from that the mean Galway bullies have been picking on the poor wee lads from Mayo. None of the last few games have been in any way dirty compared to what you see in some other provinces. There was barely even a hard shoulder thrown at all in last year's game. Yet I keep seeing Mayo people referring to Galway roughing them up every single year. At least when they lose. It's never mentioned of course if they win. It's become some soft of self-perpetuating myth.
Agree totally, don't know where this myth has come out of. Everyone else in the country classes us as too "nice" and as "fancy dans", it's only the Mayo lads who seem to have the idea that they got roughed up in matches, something to do with sore losing possibly?
Just watched the Sligo match today as I was out of the country at the weekend, very poor showing by Galway, we were poxed to get the win to be honest, even John O'Mahony will have huge trouble talking Mayo down from a raging hot favourites tag for the Connacht final.
Whenever your ready change the topic subject.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 01, 2009, 04:55:51 AM
Whenever your ready change the topic subject.
Done :P
Nicky Joyce returned to Galway training last night, three weeks after being removed from the squad for disciplinary reasons.
Joyce was not part of the squad for last weekend's narrow Connacht semi-final win over Sligo, but the paucity of that display and the absence of cover for attack has prompted manager Liam Sammon to extend the olive branch to Joyce.
Joyce has not been part of the Galway squad since the beginning of June and has remained out of the loop despite attempts to broker a return.
In Sligo, John Joe Greaney was Sammon's first port of call for a replacement attacker when Mattie Clancy got injured midway through the first half, but Greaney was himself replaced at half-time.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
The start of that is fairly cringe-worthy! :-[
I dont think they roughed us up at all. Last time out in Salthill they played with more appetite and intensity but I couldnt say that they were dirty.
Some of the stigma still hung around after the AIF defeat to Kerry and that was obvious.
It will be totally different this time around. Mayo will be really up for it.
QuoteNicky Joyce returned to Galway training last night, three weeks after being removed from the squad for disciplinary reasons.
Joyce was not part of the squad for last weekend's narrow Connacht semi-final win over Sligo, but the paucity of that display and the absence of cover for attack has prompted manager Liam Sammon to extend the olive branch to Joyce.
Joyce has not been part of the Galway squad since the beginning of June and has remained out of the loop despite attempts to broker a return.
In Sligo, John Joe Greaney was Sammon's first port of call for a replacement attacker when Mattie Clancy got injured midway through the first half, but Greaney was himself replaced at half-time.
Sh, Shh, tell these Mayo feckers nothin!
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:13:03 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
If Galway don't manage to 'rough us up' again like they did the previous few encounters then I thnk we will win. It's time we 'roughed them up', way past time. This will be the telling point for where Mayo are really at. I'm looking forward to it and midfield will be crucial.
The start of that is fairly cringe-worthy! :-[
I dont think they roughed us up at all. Last time out in Salthill they played with more appetite and intensity but I couldnt say that they were dirty.
Some of the stigma still hung around after the AIF defeat to Kerry and that was obvious.
It will be totally different this time around. Mayo will be really up for it.
ye would know nothing about Roughing up in Knockmore sure ye wouldn't Farrandeelin ;)
Quote from: GBXII on June 30, 2009, 06:06:51 PM
Wouldn't agree with that at all now. They lined out with Bane and Bergin (not sure where he'll end up playing though, maybe as a third midfielder) either side of Joyce against Sligo, and they are quality players. Bane might not be great at contributing in general play but the lad can score and will certainly be dangerous if given space, and Bergin we know is quality.
I cant agree with you there. Bergan and quality being in the same sentence doesnt sit well with me, especially when he is playing on the half forward line.
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Quote from: GBXII on June 30, 2009, 06:06:51 PM
They could start Clancy (who would be of say, Andy Morans level) wing forward and put Bane in the corner but either way their half forwards are as good as Mayos considering we have T Mortimer at 11 who is hardly in Joyces league and then Harte and Dillon aren't much better or worse than what Galway have.
A line of
Harte, Dillon, Trevor Mortimor
is better than any half forward line we have seen from Galway this year. Joyce is not scoring as much from play as he used to. Mathew Clancey is mediocre and you already know what I think of Bergan.
BTW
The Mayo half forward line above is the same half forward line that played against Roscommon. Granted Dillon started on the wing but moved to CHF after 5-10 minutes.
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As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
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Obviously Abbeysider we would appreciate if ye could give him as much space as the last time ye were in Pearse Stadium ;)
i really think it was a case of galway deciding-hee at last is some one we can bully- esp seeing as they never tried it on any one else. i can never forgive the despicable violence dished out 2years ago in particular. my only worry is does this explain why mayo now have a much bigger team and the absence of connor. is jom using his inside knowlede. confession
s of a thug?
I know ye will all say the Galway v. Mayo matches take on a life of their own. I know people will say that Galway will improve with home advantage, the sight of the green and red, the tough match etc.
I still can't see them getting close to Mayo in this one. Lads are picking Barry Cullinane for their teams - he was knackered by the time he ran out to the centre from the sideline the last day and the first thing that happened was Mullen pulled a high ball down from above him. Mayo look a bloody good side to me and Galway will need to improve hugely to keep this competitive and close. Can't see it.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
i really think it was a case of galway deciding-hee at last is some one we can bully- esp seeing as they never tried it on any one else. i can never forgive the despicable violence dished out 2years ago in particular. my only worry is does this explain why mayo now have a much bigger team and the absence of connor. is jom using his inside knowlede. confession
s of a thug?
??? Absolute shite talk out of you as usual Ros. What the hell are you on about when you mention "dispicable violence" and "confessions of a thug"? There is never any of that crap when it comes to Galway/Mayo clashes. There is a thing called intensity (hit hard, fair and often!), which should be a given when you play your closest rivals, be it either county or club. Cop yourself on like a good lad.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
i really think it was a case of galway deciding-hee at last is some one we can bully- esp seeing as they never tried it on any one else. i can never forgive the despicable violence dished out 2years ago in particular. my only worry is does this explain why mayo now have a much bigger team and the absence of connor. is jom using his inside knowlede. confession
s of a thug?
I have no idea what your trying to say
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 01, 2009, 11:58:59 AM
I know ye will all say the Galway v. Mayo matches take on a life of their own. I know people will say that Galway will improve with home advantage, the sight of the green and red, the tough match etc.
I still can't see them getting close to Mayo in this one. Lads are picking Barry Cullinane for their teams - he was knackered by the time he ran out to the centre from the sideline the last day and the first thing that happened was Mullen pulled a high ball down from above him. Mayo look a bloody good side to me and Galway will need to improve hugely to keep this competitive and close. Can't see it.
Sure we'll see. I've seen one or the other of the two teams often go into these matches before as favourites only to be left scratching their heads at the end wondering how they lost. I'm sure we'll be written off completely in the eyes of most people before this game and I can't really argue against them for making Mayo hot favourites as they were fairly impressive in beating Roscommon while we kinda foostered past Sligo. All I'm saying is we haven't had a good midfield since Kevin Walsh retired and I think we've still managed to beat Mayo three times in the championship since with an average midfield. It may not happen this year but it's a bit early to be raising any white flags just yet.
First it was Mayo are useless and Galway are real contenders then Mayo come back to beat Galway in the league and opinions begin to change, now after their respective semi finals the wheel has come full circle and Mayo are dark horses while Galway are yesterday's men. The truth is somewhere inbetween IMO and I'm not sure either squad are that good, I would expect a good close game which should serve both teams well regardless of the result. If I had to pick a winner now I'd go for Mayo but I can't see either team living with the AI contenders.
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
First it was Mayo are useless and Galway are real contenders then Mayo come back to beat Galway in the league and opinions begin to change, now after their respective semi finals the wheel has come full circle and Mayo are dark horses while Galway are yesterday's men. The truth is somewhere inbetween IMO and I'm not sure either squad are that good, I would expect a good close game which should serve both teams well regardless of the result. If I had to pick a winner now I'd go for Mayo but I can't see either team living with the AI contenders.
your right there Zulu as regards the full circle i remember after the 1st league match against Derry most people on here were saying that the Rossies would probably take us now the mood has changed and we are now favourites to beat galway in Salthill . Who do you see as the Ai contenders Zulu , Tyrone , Cork ?
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
First it was Mayo are useless and Galway are real contenders then Mayo come back to beat Galway in the league and opinions begin to change, now after their respective semi finals the wheel has come full circle and Mayo are dark horses while Galway are yesterday's men. The truth is somewhere inbetween IMO and I'm not sure either squad are that good, I would expect a good close game which should serve both teams well regardless of the result. If I had to pick a winner now I'd go for Mayo but I can't see either team living with the AI contenders.
We never learn anything.
Always always always ignore form between these two. After that always ignore form between these two. There.
Further down the line neither side fear Ulster sides for some odd reason but both are terrified of Munster teams. the draw might play a part.
QuoteWho do you see as the Ai contenders Zulu
Well I'm on record (numerous times at this stage!!) as saying Cork are my tip to win the AI, other possible winners IMO are Tyrone but they are on course to meet Cork at the semi final stage, Kerry who could get to an AI QF without playing any div 1 side, and maybe Derry who IMO are the best balanced side outside the top 3. Dublin are very impressive from 8 to 15 with good subs but they don't have an IC back 6 worthy of the name, Kildare are coming but it's too soon for them, Galway have no midfield and Joyce will be found out in CP if played at center forward. As for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
So for me the winner will come from the Cork/Tyrone semi final with Kerry or Derry coming through from the other side, draw permitting.
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
QuoteWho do you see as the Ai contenders Zulu
Well I'm on record (numerous times at this stage!!) as saying Cork are my tip to win the AI, other possible winners IMO are Tyrone but they are on course to meet Cork at the semi final stage, Kerry who could get to an AI QF without playing any div 1 side, and maybe Derry who IMO are the best balanced side outside the top 3. Dublin are very impressive from 8 to 15 with good subs but they don't have an IC back 6 worthy of the name, Kildare are coming but it's too soon for them, Galway have no midfield and Joyce will be found out in CP if played at center forward. As for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
So for me the winner will come from the Cork/Tyrone semi final with Kerry or Derry coming through from the other side, draw permitting.
I dont really understand that last bit Zulu.
You forgot to mention Mayo
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
QuoteWho do you see as the Ai contenders Zulu
Well I'm on record (numerous times at this stage!!) as saying Cork are my tip to win the AI, other possible winners IMO are Tyrone but they are on course to meet Cork at the semi final stage, Kerry who could get to an AI QF without playing any div 1 side, and maybe Derry who IMO are the best balanced side outside the top 3. Dublin are very impressive from 8 to 15 with good subs but they don't have an IC back 6 worthy of the name, Kildare are coming but it's too soon for them, Galway have no midfield and Joyce will be found out in CP if played at center forward. As for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
So for me the winner will come from the Cork/Tyrone semi final with Kerry or Derry coming through from the other side, draw permitting.
I dont really understand that last bit Zulu.
You forgot to mention Mayo
He did.
Zulu, you forgot Mayo, do it again.
QuoteI dont really understand that last bit Zulu.
I mean if Kerry and Derry don't meet Cork or Tyrone. Unless I'm mistake it is an open draw to see which 4 qualifiers met which 4 provincal champions, isn't that right?
QuoteYou forgot to mention Mayo
Did I? I thought i covered them with this line
QuoteAs for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
But to expand, Mayo are a genuine top 8 team with plenty of decent footballers but I don't think any reasonable Mayo man would suggest they have a SON, Meehan, Gooch or Bernard Brogan in the forward line, a dominant midfielder or a Marc O'Se, Conor Gormley in the defence. If Mayo lose the Connacht final and get to the QF's they'll probably have to play Tyrone, Cork, Dublin or Galway, if they win they'll possibly have Kildare, Kerry, Derry or Galway to face. Of those teams I'd only really fancy Mayo against Kildare or Galway so it's tough to see Mayo winning the AI. Anytime I try to convince myself Mayo can win the AI I keep coming back to midfield and the lack of a genuine scoring forward or two. Barry Moran isn't up to it, Aiden O'Se could struggle in CP with experience and speed, Trevor Mort isn't a scorer or provider and Harte isn't going to kick you 3 or 4 either. Has Heaney the mobility for CP? Not for me, so too many questions for me to be convinced they have enough to win it. Hope I'm wrong though and anyway this should probably left till after the Connacht final or at least another thread, I don't want to be accused of taking this one off topic :)
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
QuoteWho do you see as the Ai contenders Zulu
Well I'm on record (numerous times at this stage!!) as saying Cork are my tip to win the AI, other possible winners IMO are Tyrone but they are on course to meet Cork at the semi final stage, Kerry who could get to an AI QF without playing any div 1 side, and maybe Derry who IMO are the best balanced side outside the top 3. Dublin are very impressive from 8 to 15 with good subs but they don't have an IC back 6 worthy of the name, Kildare are coming but it's too soon for them, Galway have no midfield and Joyce will be found out in CP if played at center forward. As for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
So for me the winner will come from the Cork/Tyrone semi final with Kerry or Derry coming through from the other side, draw permitting.
Dublin do have an intercounty quality number 6 they just don't play him thats all.
Derry are nowhere near the best balanced side outside the top 3- even Brolly would admit that.
As for Mayo and Galway- if Galway had a midfield they'd be serious contenders IMO. Kevin Walsh knew what everyone of the Galways footballers had for breakfast. They won't meet another team with such detailed inside knowledge. If only Kevin was still playing they'd give anyone a run for their money. Hanley-Bradshaw-Burke- all serious footballers in the backs.
Mayo look better balanced this year than before. But its all mental with Mayo -if they can avoid the Green and Gold- with the draw they could make the final. But I wouldn't see them winning the AI. In fact I fancy Galway to beat them if Sammon moves bergin to midfield.
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 04:21:21 PM
QuoteI dont really understand that last bit Zulu.
I mean if Kerry and Derry don't meet Cork or Tyrone. Unless I'm mistake it is an open draw to see which 4 qualifiers met which 4 provincal champions, isn't that right?
QuoteYou forgot to mention Mayo
Did I? I thought i covered them with this line
QuoteAs for Mayo, a squad chock full of decent IC footballers but strikingly bare of any top drawer ones, Dillion maybe but after that you'd be hard pressed to name anymore.
I was jesting!!
Tongue firmly in cheek when you were not mentioning Mayo in the latter stages!
:P
I meant to say that Galway got the upper hand on us in the first half lasst year and walloped us in Salthill in 07. Happy now everyone??? Anyway, P Joyce might not be scoring as much as he used to, but he's as cute as a fox, I can guarantee if Galway are leading in the final 5 minutes, Joyce is the man they will want to have the ball, if Galway are losing ditto. I am confident at this stage that we will win, but it is all on the day and I think, like Mayo damaging Ros at u-21 level, we put Galway off their stride in the league. I think we set down a marker there.
Christ, my heart is thumping at the thought of the game. Lord only knows how I'll be at the throw-in. I might be seen 'roughing up' a Galway fan!
QuoteDublin do have an intercounty quality number 6 they just don't play him thats all.
I meant Dublin don't have an IC defence Indiana, I would have serious concerns about all your defenders except Cahill and to a degree Henry.
QuoteDerry are nowhere near the best balanced side outside the top 3- even Brolly would admit that.
Nowhere near? Nonsense, a fully fit Derry squad have quality players in many important positions, they are not in the top 3 because they lack enough of them but the 2 Bradley's, Lynch, Muldoon and Keilt give them scoring power, they have a decent midfield with options to come in and in players like SML, McCloy etc. they have proven defenders.
Quoteif Galway had a midfield they'd be serious contenders IMO
definitely their main weakness not not their only one, their forward line isn't shaping up to be as dangerous as they sometimes indicate they can be.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2009, 04:26:21 PM
I can guarantee if Galway are leading in the final 5 minutes, Joyce is the man they will want to have the ball, if Galway are losing ditto.
So in conclusion Joyce is the man Galway will want to have the ball in the final 5 minutes, unless it is level?
Seriously though, I suspect Joyce may be long gone with 5 to go. I think this will be a very high paced game with Meehan and Armstrong doing the damage at one end and Mort the younger and hopefully Dillon, Kilcoyne and O'Shea doing it at the other.
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2009, 04:35:05 PM
QuoteDublin do have an intercounty quality number 6 they just don't play him thats all.
I meant Dublin don't have an IC defence Indiana, I would have serious concerns about all your defenders except Cahill and to a degree Henry.
QuoteDerry are nowhere near the best balanced side outside the top 3- even Brolly would admit that.
Nowhere near? Nonsense, a fully fit Derry squad have quality players in many important positions, they are not in the top 3 because they lack enough of them but the 2 Bradley's, Lynch, Muldoon and Keilt give them scoring power, they have a decent midfield with options to come in and in players like SML, McCloy etc. they have proven defenders.
Quoteif Galway had a midfield they'd be serious contenders IMO
definitely their main weakness not not their only one, their forward line isn't shaping up to be as dangerous as they sometimes indicate they can be.
For all their alleged defenders Zulu - look at their concession rate. I have. Over-rated is not the word for the Derry defence in my view. If they were that good they wouldn't be perrenial underachievers.
I share your concerns on the dublin full back line in particular.
You can't beat experience and I would want Joyce on the ball in the last few minutes. Of course it all depends what kind of ball you are giving in to him.
The question is would you want to win the Connacht title. Last year provincial champions Galway, Dublin and Armagh were all beat in the QFs and Cork could have been caught only they meet a piss poor Kildare team. Would you sacrifice the Connacht title for a better crack at the All-Ireland?
QuoteWould you sacrifice the Connacht title for a better crack at the All-Ireland?
Absolutely. Every day of the week.
And until Mayo start thinking that way we can forget about All-Irelands.
seeing as cork and tyrone are in the other side of the connaght Draw in athe AI semis i would be not atall suprised to see mayo in another AI final. and would gfancy us taking tyrone in the final less so than cork. not that tyrone are worse than cork jsut horses for courses.
Yes mayo very worried after the derry games and belive me we were throwing up at half time in the donegal game but since then mayo have found form shape and a few new players.where as galway have gone seriously backward, maybe in an elaborate plot to fool mayo but , last sunday they looked old and tired, maybe not a happy camp? so why would mayo people not have a lot more confidence now,
that For me is studying the form not being fickle.
Just watched a repeat of the Sligo v Galway game the other night.
A very high standard of football and probably the match of the year so far.
Mayo will have there work cut out against a very physical Galway team and if we give Joyce the freedom of Salthill we are in big trouble.
This all adds up to Galway been the hottest of favorites for Connaught and looking like favorites again for Sam.
I suppose Mayo will have to look again through the back door.
I see the Mayo lads are already thinking about what size winning margin they will be able to inflict on Galway.
I'll leave ye to the next 20 pages of this thread to go over every possible permutation of the winning Mayo lineup for the Connacht Final 2009.
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
Just watched a repeat of the Sligo v Galway game the other night.
A very high standard of football and probably the match of the year so far.
Mayo will have there work cut out against a very physical Galway team and if we give Joyce the freedom of Salthill we are in big trouble.
This all adds up to Galway been the hottest of favorites for Connaught and looking like favorites again for Sam.
I suppose Mayo will have to look again through the back door.
You are having a laugh surely ?
QuoteYou are having a laugh surely ?
With Kerry and Armagh out of the race, Galway must be favorites for the AI this year.
Based on the Connaught semi final and standard of football on view Sligo should fancy at least an AIQF spot or even a Semi-Final place. Name a match that was better than it this year?
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2009, 12:53:41 PM
Name a match that was better than it this year?
The quality of the football was bad for the Sligo V Galway game. The lazy shooting from both sides but especially from Sligo was very poor. Between Sligos lack of composure not taking their chances to finish off Galway, and Galway sitting back after 20 minutes and never getting back out of third gear, it was a poor game to watch. Galway getting pounded at mid-field and still managing to win the game and Paraic Joyce beginning to show his lack of pace and age. Sean Armstrong showing his stuff was the only saving grace.
All in all, I thought it was frustrating to watch.
Every analyst and practically most Galway fans here agreed that it was a bad performance. And Sligo fans wouldnt be happy with their moral victory when the game was there for them to be won.
To answer your question, I enjoyed Cork's systematic demolition of Kerry.
The quality of football was far better IMO.
What's the 'easiest' way of getting to Pearse Stadium? It's probably already been discussed but from the N17, would it be to go as far as you can and meet up with the N6 and continue out that direction? Thing is, I don't know Galway city too well at all.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
What's the 'easiest' way of getting to Pearse Stadium? It's probably already been discussed but from the N17, would it be to go as far as you can and meet up with the N6 and continue out that direction? Thing is, I don't know Galway city too well at all.
There's no easy way to get to it really without avoiding traffic. You'll have to drive straight through Galway city out to Salthill. To be honest I would recommend leaving the car in the city centre somewhere and walking back into town to collect it afterwards. Would take about 25 minutes. If you hop in the car in Salthill it might be the guts of an hour until you even make it back into the city centre. Either that or head into a pub for an hour and let the traffic ease off a little before heading.
If you were really adventurous you could probably come down through smaller roads into Connemara through Leenane and Maam Cross and drive east towards Salthill once you hit the coast. That way you would avoid the vast majority of the traffic and would only have to contend with Galway fans from Connemara on the road. Would hardly be worth it though unless you were coming from west Mayo.
I'll probably end up doing as you've told me to do in the first paragraph. Leave the car in the city centre and walk the rest.
QuoteWhat's the 'easiest' way of getting to Pearse Stadium?
Jetski
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
What's the 'easiest' way of getting to Pearse Stadium? It's probably already been discussed but from the N17, would it be to go as far as you can and meet up with the N6 and continue out that direction? Thing is, I don't know Galway city too well at all.
Helicopter Deelin. Especially if you dont know the city. If you drive in blind it could be midnight before you get a chance to check out the wellbeing of the herd again. Having spent some time there myself I have some local knowledge that I put to some good effect. In involves parking up in housing estates and taking advantage of ratruns and jumping garden walls to get in and out without too much hassle.
At least there is no airshow on this year.
Lads I'm hoping to get a bit of a crew together for this game (none of us from either county) would any of ye know what's the best way to get tickets for this game? I'd have a few contacts in both counties but I wouldn't really feel comfortable asking them to come up with 5 or 6 tickets for 'outsiders'. I might be able to get one myself through other CB's but it's up to me to get tickets for the rest as well and I'd ideally like us to be in at least the same stand.
i d say forget about the stand for a start. Only a modest capacity. Your best bet would be to ring Connacht Council offices and enquire about having sideline tickets posted to you if you cant have them picked up in person. Get your cheque away asap as the tickets will be soon available. 0949630335. Let us know how you get on.
Cheers Moysider.
Quote from: highorlow on July 02, 2009, 10:45:19 AM
Just watched a repeat of the Sligo v Galway game the other night.
A very high standard of football and probably the match of the year so far.
Mayo will have there work cut out against a very physical Galway team and if we give Joyce the freedom of Salthill we are in big trouble.
This all adds up to Galway been the hottest of favorites for Connaught and looking like favorites again for Sam.
I suppose Mayo will have to look again through the back door.
I actually think you were watching a different game :o, because the standard in my opinion was very poor, some of the players could not even solo the ball, your entitled to your opinion I suppose.
Bloody hell lads and lassies, am I the only one who think highorlow wrote that in jest??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 07:37:48 PM
Bloody hell lads and lassies, am I the only one who think highorlow wrote that in jest??
No I'm just amazed how many people thought he was being serious.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 02, 2009, 07:58:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 07:37:48 PM
Bloody hell lads and lassies, am I the only one who think highorlow wrote that in jest??
No I'm just amazed how many people thought he was being serious.
Clearly ripping the piss and I ve yet to see a recording of the match.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
seeing as cork and tyrone are in the other side of the connaght Draw in athe AI semis i would be not atall suprised to see mayo in another AI final. and would gfancy us taking tyrone in the final less so than cork. not that tyrone are worse than cork jsut horses for courses.
Yes mayo very worried after the derry games and belive me we were throwing up at half time in the donegal game but since then mayo have found form shape and a few new players.where as galway have gone seriously backward, maybe in an elaborate plot to fool mayo but , last sunday they looked old and tired, maybe not a happy camp? so why would mayo people not have a lot more confidence now,
that For me is studying the form not being fickle.
Mayo optimism godhelpus. It comes around with the midges. And disappears as the evenings start to draw in.
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2009, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
seeing as cork and tyrone are in the other side of the connaght Draw in athe AI semis i would be not atall suprised to see mayo in another AI final. and would gfancy us taking tyrone in the final less so than cork. not that tyrone are worse than cork jsut horses for courses.
Yes mayo very worried after the derry games and belive me we were throwing up at half time in the donegal game but since then mayo have found form shape and a few new players.where as galway have gone seriously backward, maybe in an elaborate plot to fool mayo but , last sunday they looked old and tired, maybe not a happy camp? so why would mayo people not have a lot more confidence now,
that For me is studying the form not being fickle.
Mayo optimism godhelpus. It comes around with the midges. And disappears as the evenings start to draw in.
Just remember it's only rosnarun and Mayo Mick who are at this. I' actually thought Mayo would win Connacht but now I'm beginning to reconsider it. Galway did enough to beat sligo. It's a 50/50 game and it will be interesting to see if Mayo can lay their Salthill hoodoo to rest.
If they are good enough let them win it. I don't think Galway are going to make many waves this year. But once we get a decent team going again...
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 01, 2009, 05:43:28 PM
QuoteWould you sacrifice the Connacht title for a better crack at the All-Ireland?
Absolutely. Every day of the week.
And until Mayo start thinking that way we can forget about All-Irelands.
I think the better crack this year is to win connacht, seen as the back door game is played 6 days after the final, it could be curtains for one of these teams in a week.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 07:37:48 PM
Bloody hell lads and lassies, am I the only one who think highorlow wrote that in jest??
No I'm just amazed how many people thought he was being serious.
Clearly ripping the piss and I ve yet to see a recording of the match.
Well, wait no longer. Trot your mouse over to http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1051078 and tell us what you think.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 02, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2009, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2009, 08:48:55 PM
seeing as cork and tyrone are in the other side of the connaght Draw in athe AI semis i would be not atall suprised to see mayo in another AI final. and would gfancy us taking tyrone in the final less so than cork. not that tyrone are worse than cork jsut horses for courses.
Yes mayo very worried after the derry games and belive me we were throwing up at half time in the donegal game but since then mayo have found form shape and a few new players.where as galway have gone seriously backward, maybe in an elaborate plot to fool mayo but , last sunday they looked old and tired, maybe not a happy camp? so why would mayo people not have a lot more confidence now,
that For me is studying the form not being fickle.
Mayo optimism godhelpus. It comes around with the midges. And disappears as the evenings start to draw in.
Just remember it's only rosnarun and Mayo Mick who are at this. I' actually thought Mayo would win Connacht but now I'm beginning to reconsider it. Galway did enough to beat sligo. It's a 50/50 game and it will be interesting to see if Mayo can lay their Salthill hoodoo to rest.
theres not a word of a lie in that post at least im not resoerting to the supernatural hoodoo to look for an excuse to fail to compensate for something deep in your childhood you may wish to share with us.
Like I said about roscommon there is no logical reason why galway should even be close to may in salthill or any other enchanted ground they may have either
Off topic I know but a preview of the Mayo club championship games here for anyone who wants a break from the Conn final talk
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/moving-day-in-the-club-championship/
So who should be midfield for Galway? We've had Conroy, O'Donnell, Lydon, Cullinane, Coleman, even Tom Hughes during the league and still it's anybody's guess who will get the positions. We'll probably have Mike Meehan, Sean Armstrong, Padraic and Nicky Joyce in our forward line, tremendous scoring power IF we can get the ball past midfield. If we don't break even in midfield, we haven't a hope.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 03, 2009, 12:11:47 AM
So who should be midfield for Galway? We've had Conroy, O'Donnell, Lydon, Cullinane, Coleman, even Tom Hughes during the league and still it's anybody's guess who will get the positions. We'll probably have Mike Meehan, Sean Armstrong, Padraic and Nicky Joyce in our forward line, tremendous scoring power IF we can get the ball past midfield. If we don't break even in midfield, we haven't a hope.
Not necessarily Duine Eile. There is too much emphasis on this supposed Mayo midfield dominance. Mayo have lost championship matches in the past even though winning midfield 60/40 or even 70/30. Against Galway in 95 our midfield of Fallon and Colm Mac were so dominant they had the opportunities to kick 13 wides between them. Yet we lost by a cricket score. Other teams can cope and create with scrappy midfield ball but if we lose midfield we usually end up on the end of a hiding.
However I dont think that Galway s forwards are collectively of the vintage of 10 years ago. Even then matches between Mayo/Galway were often down to Mayo s lack of cut. We usually coped with Joyce, Ja, Donnellan and Finnegan well. Paul Clancy and Savage were the ones I feared most. While Johnno with his indulgent defensive selections last 2 years gave Galway a big head start, he may have sorted things this time around. If so I believe he we have a good chance even though I expect Galway to turn middle third into a mill. Whoever Galway play at 8 or 9 are going to be more competitive than Higgins or Finneran. And unless Galway are way off the mark they should break even enough at midfield. If I were Sammon I would be looking at Coleman and Cullinane seriously if they are nearly right. Either Conroy or Bergin starting as out and out midfielders would be great for Mayo.
To be honest I think both Sammon and Johnno have an awful lot of cred riding on this one. More pressure on Johnno because he got last 2 years so wrong and has to produce. Losing in Castlebar last year in the manner we did bordered on the unforgivable.
QuoteSo who should be midfield for Galway?
I would play Bergin & Cullinane midfield but I suspect Sammon will play Coleman & bergin with Conroy wing forward.
Is T. Hughes on the Galway panel this year? Strange he was never given a game during the league.
Also, Is David Reilly still on the panel? He was going well in the league up to the Mayo match
Not sure about David Reilly but Tom Hughes is gone to America for the summer. Don't think he was ever really good enough for the county panel anyway, Micheal Keane is a better midfielder than him but never got a look in, there's meant to be some lad from Carraroe a decent enough midfielder aswell but didn't get a look, it'd make you wonder is Sammon going to club games at all, he seems to have his few favourites, Breathnach, Coyne, Bradshaw, the only one of them I'd start against Mayo is Bradshaw. Mullahy is one of our hardest working and fastest players yet hasn't been seen since the middle of the league, Alan Burke hasn't gotten a run in a year I'd say and he's twice the player the cousin is. The official line is he's 'injured'. No he's not. Not often I agree with Jim Carney but think he has a point when he says there's something funny going on there.
QuoteNot sure about David Reilly but Tom Hughes is gone to America for the summer. Don't think he was ever really good enough for the county panel anyway, Micheal Keane is a better midfielder than him but never got a look in, there's meant to be some lad from Carraroe a decent enough midfielder aswell but didn't get a look, it'd make you wonder is Sammon going to club games at all, he seems to have his few favourites, Breathnach, Coyne, Bradshaw, the only one of them I'd start against Mayo is Bradshaw. Mullahy is one of our hardest working and fastest players yet hasn't been seen since the middle of the league, Alan Burke hasn't gotten a run in a year I'd say and he's twice the player the cousin is. The official line is he's 'injured'. No he's not. Not often I agree with Jim Carney but think he has a point when he says there's something funny going on there.
Dont think Alan Burke is better than Damien to be honest. He is quicker but not really tough enough (Although he may have been a better option than JJ Greaney the last day). Mullahy does seem to get a raw deal, plays (well) for almost every league game and then dropped for championship. It is strange.
Who would you start instead of Coyne against Mayo? Coyne was a player I had serious reservations about when I saw him first but he has had a few very good games for Galway.
I'd nearly start Kieran Fitz in the corner, another player who hasn't seen much game time under Sammon. I just think Coyne is more of a wing back, he was absolutely roasted against Sligo, at this stage of the championship though I can't see too many radical changes to the line up. We'll probably have same full back line, Gary Sice will probably get Dec Meehan's spot, either Coleman or Cullinane will get O'Donnells shirt and maybe Nicky instead of Clancy (depending on the injury) or Bane. Then again he might decide not to start Nicky after the last couple of weeks events. It's hard to predict any team Sammon names, who would have had Declan Meehan starting the last day, not many I'd imagine.
Is Finian Hanley ok? Yeah i'd be inclined to start Kieran Fitz too. He's be up against one of the big Mayo forwards so will have the height. I would start Mullahy instead of Sice, just not inter-county standard IMO.
Cullinane looked really jaded when we came on the last day, I could see Coleman instead of him starting at midfield and maybe Nicky Joyce for Matthew Clancy too.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
:D :D :D
I volleyed it off a rebound off the keeper ya smartass !
I had the reflexes of a Cat just to get anything on it at all ! ;) :P :D :D :D
Who won that game by the way?
Wouldn't be the biggest fan of Sice but in fairness to him he did make a difference when he came on the last day. Don't know what they were thinking starting Declan Meehan,he was lost out there. I'd be wary of starting Cullinane, he was so unfit looking the last day he'd be lucky to finish the half I'd say. I'd go with Joe and Paul midfield and maybe put Niall Coleman at half forward to pick up the breaks, we need someone that isn't afraid to fight for the scraps.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 03, 2009, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
:D :D :D
I volleyed it off a rebound off the keeper ya smartass !
I had the reflexes of a Cat just to get anything on it at all ! ;) :P :D :D :D
Who won that game by the way?
A very old and lethargic cat! I seem to forget the result but certainly can't forget that miss.
QuoteWouldn't be the biggest fan of Sice but in fairness to him he did make a difference when he came on the last day. Don't know what they were thinking starting Declan Meehan,he was lost out there. I'd be wary of starting Cullinane, he was so unfit looking the last day he'd be lucky to finish the half I'd say. I'd go with Joe and Paul midfield and maybe put Niall Coleman at half forward to pick up the breaks, we need someone that isn't afraid to fight for the scraps.
I see your point regarding Cullinane but he really is the only player we have that can compete for a high ball from the kickout. That is why I woud play him. I would love to have the luxury of having him as a sub. It is terrible to think that Dublin have two midfielders on the bench (Whelan & Ryan) that would probably make our first 15.
Quote from: mckieran on July 03, 2009, 02:39:15 PM
QuoteWouldn't be the biggest fan of Sice but in fairness to him he did make a difference when he came on the last day. Don't know what they were thinking starting Declan Meehan,he was lost out there. I'd be wary of starting Cullinane, he was so unfit looking the last day he'd be lucky to finish the half I'd say. I'd go with Joe and Paul midfield and maybe put Niall Coleman at half forward to pick up the breaks, we need someone that isn't afraid to fight for the scraps.
I see your point regarding Cullinane but he really is the only player we have that can compete for a high ball from the kickout. That is why I woud play him. I would love to have the luxury of having him as a sub. It is terrible to think that Dublin have two midfielders on the bench (Whelan & Ryan) that would probably make our first 15.
Im not sure if Cullinane and Bergan have the pace to play together in the middle.
Cullinane looked extremely sluggish the last day and Bergan wasnt setting the ground on fire either.
To be honest I reckon Sammon will move to Bergan FullForward at some stage... its just a hunch.
I have a feeling he could throw a curve ball like that. Play Sean Armstrong and Meehan off him.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 03, 2009, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
:D :D :D
I volleyed it off a rebound off the keeper ya smartass !
I had the reflexes of a Cat just to get anything on it at all ! ;) :P :D :D :D
Who won that game by the way?
Cat was the word I heard as well.
Ray Silke isn't too happy with the Galway display the last day: http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/14163
It'll be good old crack, this year's Connacht Final, not least with not much room to regroup with the qualifier the next week. It's do or die by the seaside I think.
I was dumbfounded when I heard that there was going to be a 6/7 day turnaround for the losers of this game, I thought that there were procedures in place to stop this happening again after the outcry from other counties put in this position before in years gone by?
It's very unfair on whichever team comes out on the wrong side of the result, they will be facing into a qualifier against a team on a roll regardless of who they are drawn against.
Quote from: muppet on July 03, 2009, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 03, 2009, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 01, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
As for Bane being dangerous "if given space"?
Everyone is dangerous given space... when I head down to my local pitch having a few shots when no-one is around I have plenty of space and im pinging them over! ;) :P
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
:D :D :D
I volleyed it off a rebound off the keeper ya smartass !
I had the reflexes of a Cat just to get anything on it at all ! ;) :P :D :D :D
Who won that game by the way?
Cat was the word I heard as well.
Cat malowgin.
http://catmalojian.com/Cat%20Malojian%20Homepage.htm
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 03, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 03, 2009, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 03, 2009, 01:22:06 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 02, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Can't let this one pass. You weren't too lethal when you had an open goal from two yards out and you put it wide with no one near you in a recent junior match in Clogher! Plenty of space that time Abbeysider! It made Ronnie Rosenthal look like Torres! :D
:D :D :D
I volleyed it off a rebound off the keeper ya smartass !
I had the reflexes of a Cat just to get anything on it at all ! ;) :P :D :D :D
Who won that game by the way?
Cat was the word I heard as well.
Cat malowgin.
Quote from: ludermor on July 03, 2009, 08:30:22 PM
http://catmalojian.com/Cat%20Malojian%20Homepage.htm
:D Will I ever live this one down? :D
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 03, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
I was dumbfounded when I heard that there was going to be a 6/7 day turnaround for the losers of this game, I thought that there were procedures in place to stop this happening again after the outcry from other counties put in this position before in years gone by?
It's very unfair on whichever team comes out on the wrong side of the result, they will be facing into a qualifier against a team on a roll regardless of who they are drawn against.
The losers of the Connaught final will be playing the following week, and the following week (if they win), and the following week after that again (if they win again). That third game is the All Ireland Quarter Finals stage around the 1st/2nd weekend in August. Then the All Ireland Semi finals will follow 3 weeks later.
If you are a club player from either county then the qualifies are a disaster for club fixtures.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 04, 2009, 01:48:46 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 03, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
I was dumbfounded when I heard that there was going to be a 6/7 day turnaround for the losers of this game, I thought that there were procedures in place to stop this happening again after the outcry from other counties put in this position before in years gone by?
It's very unfair on whichever team comes out on the wrong side of the result, they will be facing into a qualifier against a team on a roll regardless of who they are drawn against.
The losers of the Connaught final will be playing the following week, and the following week (if they win), and the following week after that again (if they win again). That third game is the All Ireland Quarter Finals stage around the 1st/2nd weekend in August. Then the All Ireland Semi finals will follow 3 weeks later.
If you are a club player from either county then the qualifies are a disaster for club fixtures.
Not quite true. The losers will go into the final round of the qualifiers and then, if they win, back into the quarter-finals. It will only be one extra game.
McGarrity on his way to hospital with what looks like a fractured cheekbone. Just in the door from game. Ballina clueless and Cross good value for 5 point win. But games between these two sides have become bitter and vicious. Last 2 Championship meetings especially.
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
McGarrity on his way to hospital with what looks like a fractured cheekbone. Just in the door from game. Ballina clueless and Cross good value for 5 point win. But games between these two sides have become bitter and vicious. Last 2 Championship meetings especially.
agree with you there moysider and they never used to be like that there seems to be a lot of bad blood between the players
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Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 05, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
McGarrity on his way to hospital with what looks like a fractured cheekbone. Just in the door from game. Ballina clueless and Cross good value for 5 point win. But games between these two sides have become bitter and vicious. Last 2 Championship meetings especially.
agree with you there moysider and they never used to be like that there seems to be a lot of bad blood between the players
Call me crazy, but when somebody is whacked off the ball after one minute, it smells of premeditation, which is all the more interesting considering who the manager of crossmolina is.
if he is out advantage Galway, and our season will most likely be over before august. O Mahoney must be really pissed off.
Nothing to do with the Cross manager. Only the player involved has a case to answer. There is video of the match available. Everybody knows who threw it but the video will be needed to confirm it as the ref or linesmen saw nothing - or in the case of the linesmen choose not to see anything.
Whatever about advantage Galway or not it s besides the point really. Not sure Cross people bothered if Ronan misses Galway or not. Winning today most important as far as they re concerned and these things will happen. Luckily for county Harte and Gardiner emerged unscathed and both heavily targeted, especially Harte, as he was the only real threat Ballina had. The only issue now is to find out what happened and deal with it.
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 05, 2009, 04:49:17 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 05, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
McGarrity on his way to hospital with what looks like a fractured cheekbone. Just in the door from game. Ballina clueless and Cross good value for 5 point win. But games between these two sides have become bitter and vicious. Last 2 Championship meetings especially.
agree with you there moysider and they never used to be like that there seems to be a lot of bad blood between the players
Call me crazy, but when somebody is whacked off the ball after one minute, it smells of premeditation, which is all the more interesting considering who the manager of crossmolina is.
if he is out advantage Galway, and our season will most likely be over before august. O Mahoney must be really pissed off.
Nothing to do with the Cross manager. Only the player involved has a case to answer. There is video of the match available. Everybody knows who threw it but the video will be needed to confirm it as the ref or linesmen saw nothing - or in the case of the linesmen choose not to see anything.
did you see what happened moysider ?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 05, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 05, 2009, 04:49:17 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 05, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
McGarrity on his way to hospital with what looks like a fractured cheekbone. Just in the door from game. Ballina clueless and Cross good value for 5 point win. But games between these two sides have become bitter and vicious. Last 2 Championship meetings especially.
agree with you there moysider and they never used to be like that there seems to be a lot of bad blood between the players
Call me crazy, but when somebody is whacked off the ball after one minute, it smells of premeditation, which is all the more interesting considering who the manager of crossmolina is.
if he is out advantage Galway, and our season will most likely be over before august. O Mahoney must be really pissed off.
Nothing to do with the Cross manager. Only the player involved has a case to answer. There is video of the match available. Everybody knows who threw it but the video will be needed to confirm it as the ref or linesmen saw nothing - or in the case of the linesmen choose not to see anything.
did you see what happened moysider ?
Yeah. Heard it too. Yer man was lucky to be taken off early in second half after taking some retribution himself. That took the heat out of the game and Mac came on and settled it. Yer man came on again for the injured Lavelle before the end. By then everybody had lost interest in going for him.
Of course McGarrity would be targeted for attention. It happened in county final 06 too when he was roughed up on the pitch and subjected to vile abuse by some supporters. Obviously he s seen as a bit soft by some. But not for one second do I believe that Maughan told that young fella to give Ronan a shot in the jaw. He choose to conduct himself that way and I ve no doubt he will be punished. I m sure if, as it looks, Ronan has suffered a bad injury Crossmolina as a club will want to look at what happened. I know if Jimmy Nallen, Mac or Peadar got done like that by by a Ballina player I would not be a happy camper. Although there appears to be little respect for McGarrity in some Cross quarters I m sure the club will do the right thing when things calm down. Today was supercharged and some of the Cross players triumphalism at the end looked illjudged in the circumstances. It ll be interesting to see how this is handled.
i have can honestly say that would never have happened , i saw what happened as well and Ronan threw slaps as well unfortunately he got hit by one as well . thats nonsense that just because he happened to receive a slap and the fact that he is mayo's midfielder that it was an arranged tactic , if thats the case we in cross could have been giving out for years for some of the treatment that our lads got as well. you might not like maughan but in fairness he can not control the actions of both sets of players when they go on the field.
Feck, my message and Joemamas seems to have got jumbled.
Just want to point out that no way am I blaming Maughan for what happened. Can anybody fix the above message.
i know you weren't moysider . just delete joemamas quote
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 05:47:27 PM
Feck, my message and Joemamas seems to have got jumbled.
Just want to point out that no way am I blaming Maughan for what happened. Can anybody fix the above message.
Just cut and paste the 'quote' in brackets below your own comments and put where joemamas' comment finishes
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 05:47:27 PM
Feck, my message and Joemamas seems to have got jumbled.
Just want to point out that no way am I blaming Maughan for what happened. Can anybody fix the above message.
Moysider, sorry about jumbled messages. To clarify my earlier comments,I am
not blaming Maughan for what happened to Mcgarrity, but when something happens so early in a game you wonder are a team pscyked up too much.
Bottom line if he is out for Mayo then it is potentially a lost opportunity, as I believe we were buliding a team to potentially challenge for an all ireland in two to three years. A run into August this year could have helped that cause especially with some of the younger players gaining some needed experiance. I hope that chance will not be lost.
I also removed deleted earlier posts to avoid any confusion. I was very frustrated to hear of the potential injury
Things like this will happen. It happens that there are highly charged club championship matches taking place during the intercounty championship. To many people these games matter most. Cross mean more to Maughan now that mayo s performances this summer and he will have them tuned to the last but that does nt mean he ll be sending them out to punch fellas. If he had lost yer man in the first minute he d have been raging with him.
Maughan was on the radio just now and told Jimmy McGee that it was a clash of heads that caused McGarrity injury. That is not helpful. Sounds like the wagons are being circled to protect a young fella because there is going to be war over this. The word coming through now is that the cheekbone is fractured but nothing confirmed yet.
Quote from: moysider on July 05, 2009, 07:10:47 PM
Maughan was on the radio just now and told Jimmy McGee that it was a clash of heads that caused McGarrity injury. That is not helpful. Sounds like the wagons are being circled to protect a young fella because there is going to be war over this. The word coming through now is that the cheekbone is fractured but nothing confirmed yet.
A load of bullshit from Maughan if he says yer man clashed heads with McGarrity. Hope Ronan is ok though.
As expected a fracture has been confirmed. That means it will be at least 6 weeks before he can risk contact. But his fitness will take a hammering as he wont be able to run for maybe 3 weeks. Effectively his Summer is over and maybe ours too before he s even training again.
Look this is not the first time this 'young lad' has been involved in an incident like this. Maughan calling it a clash of heads was a joke, insulting so it is. I hope its caught on video so the full rigours of the law of the land can be applied.
QuoteAs expected a fracture has been confirmed. That means it will be at least 6 weeks before he can risk contact
How do you know the timeframe? I would have thought 2 to 3 weeks and he will be sound. Hope Tom Parsons is in good form.
Looks like Parsons and Heaney so. I reckoned McGarrity was primed to have a blinder in the Connacht final. The more I think of all the consequences of this act of thuggery, the more I'm raging. I'd well imagine that McGarrity could have been trash talking but it wouldn't take much to set off that loose cannon.
Lads, calling it thuggery is going a bit far, i've no love for cross but we've all had players from our clubs that have laid out players in matches, i'm not condoning it but let he without sin & all that. Theres a great competition between kmore, cross & ballina and it does cross over the odd time. The lad will get his suspension & thats only right but theres plenty of times the shoe has been on the other foot. Maughan's comments aren't helpful & down right bullshit if the reports here are to be believes
Big blow for Mayo if McGarrity's out. Nicky Joyce had a stormer for Killererin today, there wasn't a blade of grass he didn't cover, scored 5 points from play, a repeat performance in the Connacht final, presuming he starts, would prove his worth on the panel despite the opinion of some Galway 'fans'.
Quote from: highorlow on July 05, 2009, 10:11:02 PM
QuoteAs expected a fracture has been confirmed. That means it will be at least 6 weeks before he can risk contact
How do you know the timeframe? I would have thought 2 to 3 weeks and he will be sound. Hope Tom Parsons is in good form.
I m being conservative with 6 weeks. Had a lad last year that had a suppressed fracture of the cheek and he togged after 5 weeks. But intercounty midfield? There are 3 fractures of the cheek. 3 weeks no way.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 05, 2009, 11:27:17 PM
Lads, calling it thuggery is going a bit far, i've no love for cross but we've all had players from our clubs that have laid out players in matches, i'm not condoning it but let he without sin & all that. Theres a great competition between kmore, cross & ballina and it does cross over the odd time. The lad will get his suspension & thats only right but theres plenty of times the shoe has been on the other foot. Maughan's comments aren't helpful & down right bullshit if the reports here are to be believes
Not sure about that Mayo4Sam. Ive played in some of those games and seen a lot of them. First of all I dont want that lad hung out to dry or anything. Games between these clubs have always been on the edge but this is something different. Somebody mentioned trash talking. 1 minute. Cop on. Spin or what. McGar was roared in his ear continously in 06 and did nt 'clock' anybody. Maybe he would have got more respect if he did? But there is no evidence that McGar said boo to anybody today. He was lamped in first minute by somebody that has to account for what he did. Or probably not. Maughan initially has taken an unfortunate stance, but in no way culpable for what happened, let it be said. When Jerry Flanagan lamped him in 97 he graciously said he slipped and laughed it off. That was the right way to deal with that. This however can not be joked away. On this occasion he was nt on the receiving end and he did nt end up with a break and his summer ruined for no good reason. More serious than that. And this is nothing to do with Maughan anyway. Will the videos be made available or will the usual happen? Ballina wont complain. And they should nt. Whinging and all that. Powder will be kept dry till later.Cross had their triumph today but there ll be another day. This is for County Board and Crossmolina executive to investigate. Ref and linesmen were having a laugh after the game - a disturbingly common sight. Other shit happened today but for that to be used as mitigating [like shoe in mouth and stitches] is laughable. Everything that happened after was a direct result of the assault and he got off light.
I ve refrained from calling anybody a thug. I m sure he s a lovely fella but if you re a player you re judged by what you do between the lines.
Disappointed for Ronan, disappointed to lose to Crossmolina.
It's been a while since I've had the honour of witnessing some of these games but I was close enough to the action back in the day and whilst there was always tough games I'm surprised by what appears to be a nose dive in respect between players.
As M4S pointed out above, neither club can claim the moral high ground when it comes to incidents like this, but it should be pointed out that Ronan Mc was never a dirty player, in the same ilk as Ciaran MacDonald was never a dirty player (and I'm trying to reall any incident where one of our lads took him out?)
Whatever John Maughan said is fairly moot at this stage, he will never publicly slate one of his players and hang him out to dry and I'd be disappointed if Liam MacHale did it if the shoe was on the other foot. If there is footage there than the onus should be on the county board to demand it, review it and act upon it. The Sunday Game can highlight incidents for the authourities to look at, no reason why the local print media cannot do the same thing also.
Quote from: stephenite on July 06, 2009, 02:00:45 AM
Disappointed for Ronan, disappointed to lose to Crossmolina.
It's been a while since I've had the honour of witnessing some of these games but I was close enough to the action back in the day and whilst there was always tough games I'm surprised by what appears to be a nose dive in respect between players.
As M4S pointed out above, neither club can claim the moral high ground when it comes to incidents like this, but it should be pointed out that Ronan Mc was never a dirty player, in the same ilk as Ciaran MacDonald was never a dirty player (and I'm trying to reall any incident where one of our lads took him out?)
Whatever John Maughan said is fairly moot at this stage, he will never publicly slate one of his players and hang him out to dry and I'd be disappointed if Liam MacHale did it if the shoe was on the other foot. If there is footage there than the onus should be on the county board to demand it, review it and act upon it. The Sunday Game can highlight incidents for the authourities to look at, no reason why the local print media cannot do the same thing also.
Agree about Maughan. you dont hang a player out. But... If he took the Wegner stance and said he did nt see the incident, fair enough. but to try and spin it as a clash of heads is not on.
This McGarrity incident has sickened me to the core of my hole. What kind of ass would strike (if that is actually what happened?) a player knowing well his value to the county team and especially with such an important game coming up. I suppose you can argue that this might not of what was going through his head at that exact moment but a bit of cop on needed. If RMcG is out for the Galway game that's handing the midfield battle to Galway!
Most club players could not give a fiddlers about the county team unless they themselves are involved.
I don't know what happened and even if I did, I wouldn't feel qualified to be judgemental. That's because I was never at a game between the two clubs involved but I do say that what happened in this case was totally wrong and should never be tolerated in any manner of civilised society at any time.
I don't care which side started the confrontation and I don't think interclub rivalries comes into the picture either. What happened here was legally and morally wrong and should never be condoned by any person who regards himself or herself as a fair-minded individual.
Nicky Brennan devoted a lot of time and energy in highlighting the institutional thuggery that passes for honest to goodness passion and commitment on Gaelic pitches throughout the land. Nicky's concerns fell on deaf ears.
Do you all remember the sickening picture of Joe Canning, the Galway hurler, lying defenceless on the ground, while an opponent attempted to drive his boot into Joe's face? It was a case of circling the wagons and denying that anything had happened where Galway hurling was concerned.
No one came forward to testify when the Gardai were called on to investigate the incident and normal service was resumed. I assume the same is going to apply here and probably no official from either club will be prepared to name and shame the persons involved. From what I've read, it seems Ronan McGarrity got a deliberate punch into the face which was hard enough to fracture his jaw.
John Maughan described the incident as a result of an accidental clash of heads. At least that's what I took from the radio interview he gave afterwards. This was just one incident of violence that goes on every week throughout the land.
Ronan has always struck me as a clean player but even if he was a Francie Bellew clone, what happened to him was wrong. All here are probably aware of the classic definitions of soccer and rugby:
"Rugby is a game for louts, played by gentlemen and soccer is a game for gentlemen, played by louts."
At times like this, I'd agree with the gent who added, "And Gaelic is a game for louts, played by louts."
Very disappointing to hear what happened - I'm not going to pass comment on the incident itself.
Any verifiable news on the extent of the injury - rather than just speculation.
I hope that Ronan can be back later in the year and that we can win the Connacht Final without him.
It would look like Heaney and Parsons if he is out. Harte is also an option I suppose.
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Very disappointing to hear what happened - I'm not going to pass comment on the incident itself.
Any verifiable news on the extent of the injury - rather than just speculation.
I hope that Ronan can be back later in the year and that we can win the Connacht Final without him.
It would look like Heaney and Parsons if he is out. Harte is also an option I suppose.
Speculation? His cheekbone has three fractures or cracks or whatever. If one was to be dramatic about it you could say shattered but we wont. When the swelling goes down maybe a mask would be a runner.
Isn't it funny how it's always your own that bring you down?
Finian Hanley played for Salthill over the weekend and had a stormer by all accounts so looks like he'll be fit.
QuoteFinian Hanley played for Salthill over the weekend and had a stormer by all accounts so looks like he'll be fit
Shit yeah, forgot he was supposed to be injured. He had a top game yesterday, so did Blake
QuoteShit yeah, forgot he was supposed to be injured. He had a top game yesterday, so did Blake
Nicky Joyce had a stormer also.
Galway will be 6 to 1 on by the end of the week the way things are going.
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Very disappointing to hear what happened - I'm not going to pass comment on the incident itself.
Any verifiable news on the extent of the injury - rather than just speculation.
I hope that Ronan can be back later in the year and that we can win the Connacht Final without him.
It would look like Heaney and Parsons if he is out. Harte is also an option I suppose.
Speculation? His cheekbone has three fractures or cracks or whatever. If one was to be dramatic about it you could say shattered but we wont. When the swelling goes down maybe a mask would be a runner.
I know it's fractured. I am more talking about how long he will be out for. A doctor may have been able to give an estimate - 3, 4, 6, 10, 12 weeks?. 6 weeks would have him back in time for a potential AI semi final, closer to 4 maybe a quarter final, 12 weeks and it game over for Ronan this summer.
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Very disappointing to hear what happened - I'm not going to pass comment on the incident itself.
Any verifiable news on the extent of the injury - rather than just speculation.
I hope that Ronan can be back later in the year and that we can win the Connacht Final without him.
It would look like Heaney and Parsons if he is out. Harte is also an option I suppose.
Speculation? His cheekbone has three fractures or cracks or whatever. If one was to be dramatic about it you could say shattered but we wont. When the swelling goes down maybe a mask would be a runner.
I know it's fractured. I am more talking about how long he will be out for. A doctor may have been able to give an estimate - 3, 4, 6, 10, 12 weeks?. 6 weeks would have him back in time for a potential AI semi final, closer to 4 maybe a quarter final, 12 weeks and it game over for Ronan this summer.
He was told that it would take 2-3 months. Its a multiple fracture. He s accepting that his Summer is over. Match fitness is the thing as well. Not sure a mask would be of any use where he operates with elbows and fists flying about.
Those that are trying to spin some blame on Ronan wide of the mark. No way he was out to start any nonsense yesterday in a game countymen could well do without 2 weeks before a major final. His focus was Connacht final and beyond and only wanted to get through yesterday in one piece with a win preferably. The other guy will never see the greater stage - journeyman that he is. Yesterday was a chance for him to make a name for himself in a parochial context. Ronan had bigger fish to fry than sparring with a watercarrier.
Quote from: outthecountry on July 06, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
It s not just as simple as replacing him. We ll be weaker as a result of his loss and bench impact will be reduced as well. As well as that there is going to be huge fuss and an investigation is looming. This is all going to be a massive distraction for the panel over the coming weeks. As usual we ll have beaten ourselves up before we even tog off against Galway.
Anyway Parsons will have to step up. No way would I move Harte off the wing. Doing too good a job there.
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: outthecountry on July 06, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
It s not just as simple as replacing him. We ll be weaker as a result of his loss and bench impact will be reduced as well. As well as that there is going to be huge fuss and an investigation is looming. So far I ve heard some very credible eye- witnesses lined up. If they saw what I saw then I would nt like to be in that lads shoes.
credible eye witnesses or not moysider unless there is video evidence not a lot can be done ( not condoning what was done because anyone that breaks another lads jaw deserves to have the book thrown at them) we have enough bad experience of our own lads getting their jaws broken and its not nice (whatever about football lads have their lives to live jobs to go to) not the any of them got the sort of publicity that this particular incident will get. as you said there seems to be a lot of bad feeling i know for a fact one player from cross who was genuinely concerned about ronan enquired how he and was was told to fcuk off . if both teams got through to the knock out stages and were to meet again god knows what could happen
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Quote from: outthecountry on July 06, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
It s not just as simple as replacing him. We ll be weaker as a result of his loss and bench impact will be reduced as well. As well as that there is going to be huge fuss and an investigation is looming. So far I ve heard some very credible eye- witnesses lined up. If they saw what I saw then I would nt like to be in that lads shoes.
credible eye witnesses or not moysider unless there is video evidence not a lot can be done ( not condoning what was done because anyone that breaks another lads jaw deserves to have the book thrown at them) we have enough bad experience of our own lads getting their jaws broken and its not nice (whatever about football lads have their lives to live jobs to go to) not the any of them got the sort of publicity that this particular incident will get. as you said there seems to be a lot of bad feeling i know for a fact one player from cross who was genuinely concerned about ronan enquired how he and was was told to fcuk off . if both teams got through to the knock out stages and were to meet again god knows what could happen
World War 3 would erupt.
Conor Mortimer was on Newstalk sounding pretty pissed off and confirmed that it was an off the ball strike that done him and that there was no clash of heads..
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Conor Mortimer was on Newstalk sounding pretty pissed off and confirmed that it was an off the ball strike that done him and that there was no clash of heads..
Really Conor? I don't think he'd be getting involved, not from the club, was playing for his own club at the time of the incident and shouldn't be giving media interviews 2 weeks before Connacht Final on issued not relating to that.
Are you sure it wasn't David Brady - he's there usual pundit and would be from Ballina as well.
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Conor Mortimer was on Newstalk sounding pretty pissed off and confirmed that it was an off the ball strike that done him and that there was no clash of heads..
Really Conor? I don't think he'd be getting involved, not from the club, was playing for his own club at the time of the incident and shouldn't be giving media interviews 2 weeks before Connacht Final on issued not relating to that.
Are you sure it wasn't David Brady - he's there usual pundit and would be from Ballina as well.
On second thoughts Brady would make a lot more sense - I just thought I recognised the voice - was only listening to him for a minute..
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 06, 2009, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on July 06, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Conor Mortimer was on Newstalk sounding pretty pissed off and confirmed that it was an off the ball strike that done him and that there was no clash of heads..
Really Conor? I don't think he'd be getting involved, not from the club, was playing for his own club at the time of the incident and shouldn't be giving media interviews 2 weeks before Connacht Final on issued not relating to that.
Are you sure it wasn't David Brady - he's there usual pundit and would be from Ballina as well.
On second thoughts Brady would make a lot more sense - I just thought I recognised the voice - was only listening to him for a minute..
It was Brady. It ll be interesting to see how Maughan deals with this in his column this week. While no blame can be left at Maughan s door he needs to explain why he went on national radio and volunteered that Ronan got injured in a clash of heads. Clearly a fabrication. He did nt need to say anything. Nobody asked him about the club game. They were interested in his views on the County scene. Maybe he was misinformed about what happened. That would be ok then. But if he was spinning and getting in a preemtive damage limitation strike it shows very poor judgement on his part. He s too big a figure in the game to be messing about. He needs to explain what he was at and County Board should be asking him.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 06, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 06, 2009, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: outthecountry on July 06, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
It s not just as simple as replacing him. We ll be weaker as a result of his loss and bench impact will be reduced as well. As well as that there is going to be huge fuss and an investigation is looming. So far I ve heard some very credible eye- witnesses lined up. If they saw what I saw then I would nt like to be in that lads shoes.
credible eye witnesses or not moysider unless there is video evidence not a lot can be done ( not condoning what was done because anyone that breaks another lads jaw deserves to have the book thrown at them) we have enough bad experience of our own lads getting their jaws broken and its not nice (whatever about football lads have their lives to live jobs to go to) not the any of them got the sort of publicity that this particular incident will get. as you said there seems to be a lot of bad feeling i know for a fact one player from cross who was genuinely concerned about ronan enquired how he and was was told to fcuk off . if both teams got through to the knock out stages and were to meet again god knows what could happen
World War 3 would erupt.
Don#t worry, Knockmore will ensure there'll be no WW3! ;)
QuoteIt was Brady. It ll be interesting to see how Maughan deals with this in his column this week. While no blame can be left at Maughan s door he needs to explain why he went on national radio and volunteered that Ronan got injured in a clash of heads. Clearly a fabrication. He did nt need to say anything. Nobody asked him about the club game. They were interested in his views on the County scene. Maybe he was misinformed about what happened. That would be ok then. But if he was spinning and getting in a preemtive damage limitation strike it shows very poor judgement on his part. He s too big a figure in the game to be messing about. He needs to explain what he was at and County Board should be asking him.
how has this become a maughan thing ?. for all we know that vould well be what he was informed. the issue is between Magarrity the cross player and the authorities. Sporting and civil. keep to the facts and stop trying to work off old grievances
playing a round of championship games was the correct thing to do fir the sake of all the club players i the county but Management must have been aware injuries were a possiblity as they always are . well now see the strenght of the mayo squad . possible replacements are barry moran parsons o shea x2 barry kelly and ciaran conroy so this is a serious set back but should not change the outcome of the connacht final
on a more positive note my galway sources tell me PJOyce summoned the management team to his lair after the sligo match and demanded a more physical emphasis to training or else face the consequences and also of course he called Nicky back into the squad at the same time.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2009, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 06, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 06, 2009, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: outthecountry on July 06, 2009, 11:33:48 AM
Huge loss but not the end of the world. Able bodied replacements to come in and the mix of harte, parsons, heaney, o'shea and barry moran should be enough to see of a mediocre galway midfield and hopefully the injury isn't so bad for McG to return for the Q/F stage should we progress as we should.
It s not just as simple as replacing him. We ll be weaker as a result of his loss and bench impact will be reduced as well. As well as that there is going to be huge fuss and an investigation is looming. So far I ve heard some very credible eye- witnesses lined up. If they saw what I saw then I would nt like to be in that lads shoes.
credible eye witnesses or not moysider unless there is video evidence not a lot can be done ( not condoning what was done because anyone that breaks another lads jaw deserves to have the book thrown at them) we have enough bad experience of our own lads getting their jaws broken and its not nice (whatever about football lads have their lives to live jobs to go to) not the any of them got the sort of publicity that this particular incident will get. as you said there seems to be a lot of bad feeling i know for a fact one player from cross who was genuinely concerned about ronan enquired how he and was was told to fcuk off . if both teams got through to the knock out stages and were to meet again god knows what could happen
World War 3 would erupt.
Don#t worry, Knockmore will ensure there'll be no WW3! ;)
Nice one Farandeelin and you may well be right. In the event of Cross/Ballina meeting again, its hard to know what to expect. Hard to see it degenerate any worse than the last 2 championship meetings which were poison in parts. Maybe if this is dealth with appropriately then people might come to their senses. I doubt it though. I suspect this lad will be feted as a kind of hero and many would see it as manliness and stuff. And a townie always fair game. A suspension will create a martyr, but a long one must happen. I was disappointed that the Cross people I talked to after game did nt want to know about the incident. All they saw was a win. If the shoe was on the other foot... I m delighted with the restraint the Ballina fans there showed at the end. The perpetrator walked down the tunnel without 1 catcall though we all knew the score at that stage, and several stayed there just to show a silent presence as it were. But a lot of people were seething underneath.
I m still shocked by the abuse Ronan got from some Cross supporters in 06. It was as if he was the only one that calved v Kerry. Maybe the Cross player that spent that match roaring in his ear and clenching his fist in his face would have done better.
Now that Ronan is out of CF maybe the lad that lamped him might step in and jump with Coleman, Cullinane or Bergin. See how tough he really is. That would be some punishment for him.
Ronan is a huge loss ahead of the CF. Dont think Heaney will start MF he will be on Joyce he normally does well on him.
Harte might go there with BJP or Andy taking the wing.Personally i think Harte will go 2 MF as Heaney will be in the HB
line to deal with PJ and Andy seems to be a favourite of JOM.Heard Kilcoyne had a good game at the weekend would
like to see him and mort working off O Shea in the FF line 3 lads capable of puting up big scores.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 07, 2009, 12:00:49 AM
QuoteIt was Brady. It ll be interesting to see how Maughan deals with this in his column this week. While no blame can be left at Maughan s door he needs to explain why he went on national radio and volunteered that Ronan got injured in a clash of heads. Clearly a fabrication. He did nt need to say anything. Nobody asked him about the club game. They were interested in his views on the County scene. Maybe he was misinformed about what happened. That would be ok then. But if he was spinning and getting in a preemtive damage limitation strike it shows very poor judgement on his part. He s too big a figure in the game to be messing about. He needs to explain what he was at and County Board should be asking him.
how has this become a maughan thing ?. for all we know that vould well be what he was informed. the issue is between Magarrity the cross player and the authorities. Sporting and civil. keep to the facts and stop trying to work off old grievances
playing a round of championship games was the correct thing to do fir the sake of all the club players i the county but Management must have been aware injuries were a possiblity as they always are . well now see the strenght of the mayo squad . possible replacements are barry moran parsons o shea x2 barry kelly and ciaran conroy so this is a serious set back but should not change the outcome of the connacht final
Bulls**t Rosnarun. Read my posts properly before you come along and accuse me something I did nt express. I have never had an old grievance with Maughan. In fact I ve always been someone that saw Maughan for the better. He s no case to answer about that incident. But why shoot his mouth off on radio. If he was nt sure of his facts he should have kept schum. He needs to explain why he got his facts wrong. He s not just an ordinary garden club manager. He has access to national radio and there is a suspision he may have used that opportunity to muddy waters. If so, big mistake. If he was misinformed somehow and still in the dark an hour after the game finished on national radio and can explain how, fair enough. I m sure he does nt need you to bat for him. He s got a column to explain it.
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
Ronan is a huge loss ahead of the CF. Dont think Heaney will start MF he will be on Joyce he normally does well on him.
Harte might go there with BJP or Andy taking the wing.Personally i think Harte will go 2 MF as Heaney will be in the HB
line to deal with PJ and Andy seems to be a favourite of JOM.Heard Kilcoyne had a good game at the weekend would
like to see him and mort working off O Shea in the FF line 3 lads capable of puting up big scores.
If we re good enough we ll beat Galway. McGarrity a big loss of course. Heaney must stay mid field, especially now Ronan out. For me David mom v Ros. He covered and worked back and supported and worked ball out. Priceless stuff. I ve criticised this management about lots but they got that one right and Heaney looked like he was enjoying himself, away from always having the rescue mission in defence, which wasted his best years. It allowed Ronan to play a more advanced game and he came up with assists and scores. Parsons is the only viable sub for Ronan. To put Harte to midfield and Heaney back would be just going back to damage limitation. There s a phrase for it. Underdog football. Let Harte drive forward from wing, his best position, and help out midfield. Heaney to sweep deep when necessary. If Howley cant handle Joyce we ll find out soon enough, and we need to find out. If he s going to be a top 6 then he s going to meet better than Joyce at the twilight of his career, with the utmost respect to the great one. If we re good enough let s go and win it.
I see your point Moysider and i agree with you but i think JOM may see things
another way horses for courses. Harte is having a tremendous season in the
green and red and i hope the HF line is left as Harte Dillon and Trevor.
Will Howley start at no6? Is Cunniffe back from injury?
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2009, 12:53:02 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
Ronan is a huge loss ahead of the CF. Dont think Heaney will start MF he will be on Joyce he normally does well on him.
Harte might go there with BJP or Andy taking the wing.Personally i think Harte will go 2 MF as Heaney will be in the HB
line to deal with PJ and Andy seems to be a favourite of JOM.Heard Kilcoyne had a good game at the weekend would
like to see him and mort working off O Shea in the FF line 3 lads capable of puting up big scores.
If we re good enough we ll beat Galway. McGarrity a big loss of course. Heaney must stay mid field, especially now Ronan out. For me David mom v Ros. He covered and worked back and supported and worked ball out. Priceless stuff. I ve criticised this management about lots but they got that one right and Heaney looked like he was enjoying himself, away from always having the rescue mission in defence, which wasted his best years. It allowed Ronan to play a more advanced game and he came up with assists and scores. Parsons is the only viable sub for Ronan. To put Harte to midfield and Heaney back would be just going back to damage limitation. There s a phrase for it. Underdog football. Let Harte drive forward from wing, his best position, and help out midfield. Heaney to sweep deep when necessary. If Howley cant handle Joyce we ll find out soon enough, and we need to find out. If he s going to be a top 6 then he s going to meet better than Joyce at the twilight of his career, with the utmost respect to the great one. If we re good enough let s go and win it.
Excellent post. Totally agree that Heaney was the stand out player against Ros, and he's a cert to start at mid field with Parsons against Galway. If T Cunniffe makes it id say he will start at 6 because he gave PJ nothing in the league game and proved he can do the man marking job..if he doesnt im sure Howley will be fine at 6 also. 10 or 11 is Harte best position.. personally I like him at 11 because hes got got vision and can make a pass but JOM seems to want to play Trevor there...
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 01:02:40 AM
I see your point Moysider and i agree with you but i think JOM may see things
another way horses for courses. Harte is having a tremendous season in the
green and red and i hope the HF line is left as Harte Dillon and Trevor.
Will Howley start at no6? Is Cunniffe back from injury?
Cunniffe still getting physio and didnt play club at the weekend so I'd say he's 50/50 at the moment..
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 01:02:40 AM
I see your point Moysider and i agree with you but i think JOM may see things
another way horses for courses. Harte is having a tremendous season in the
green and red and i hope the HF line is left as Harte Dillon and Trevor.
Will Howley start at no6? Is Cunniffe back from injury?
Even if CunIffe back [and his recovery slow I believe] Johnno will go with Howley. Especially after his visit to Knockmore on Sat. evening. Howley drove forward in last 10 minutes and settled the match. I d love to see him play with the same abandon v Joyce instead of just putting a minder on Joyce. Cuniffe does nt bring the same physicality to 6 and i believe we ll find Cuniffes future will not be in a central position.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2009, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 01:02:40 AM
I see your point Moysider and i agree with you but i think JOM may see things
another way horses for courses. Harte is having a tremendous season in the
green and red and i hope the HF line is left as Harte Dillon and Trevor.
Will Howley start at no6? Is Cunniffe back from injury?
Even if CunIffe back [and his recovery slow I believe] Johnno will go with Howley. Especially after his visit to Knockmore on Sat. evening. Howley drove forward in last 10 minutes and settled the match. I d love to see him play with the same abandon v Joyce instead of just putting a minder on Joyce. Cuniffe does nt bring the same physicality to 6 and i believe we ll find Cuniffes future will not be in a central position.
Not to sure about the last point about Cunniffe. I know he's not as physical as Howley but I think he has better attributes over all compared with Howley. He's faster, has better positioning(I think), can get a score, and he seemed to be playing well there and improving all through the league against quality number 11's.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 07, 2009, 12:12:37 AM
on a more positive note my galway sources tell me PJOyce summoned the management team to his lair after the sligo match and demanded a more physical emphasis to training or else face the consequences and also of course he called Nicky back into the squad at the same time.
Lovely, lovely, lovely. Would nt be a bit surprised if this is true. Sammon has nt much choice but to go with it I suppose. Now he probably realises what Ford and Johnno got.
my point is some how maughan view of this despite being an irrelevancy is taking over the debate . Very doubtful he saw the incident and was probaly going on second hand infor yet he is being castigated by people for their own agenda's . the right and wrongs of the case should provide fuel enough for debate with out Slagging maughan off.
on howley V cuniffe has to be howley every time the man is a natural defender where as cunniffe's strenghts would be much more of an attacking half back and surely we cany have 3 of them
Quote from: GBXII on July 07, 2009, 01:20:59 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2009, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on July 07, 2009, 01:02:40 AM
I see your point Moysider and i agree with you but i think JOM may see things
another way horses for courses. Harte is having a tremendous season in the
green and red and i hope the HF line is left as Harte Dillon and Trevor.
Will Howley start at no6? Is Cunniffe back from injury?
Even if CunIffe back [and his recovery slow I believe] Johnno will go with Howley. Especially after his visit to Knockmore on Sat. evening. Howley drove forward in last 10 minutes and settled the match. I d love to see him play with the same abandon v Joyce instead of just putting a minder on Joyce. Cuniffe does nt bring the same physicality to 6 and i believe we ll find Cuniffes future will not be in a central position.
Not to sure about the last point about Cunniffe. I know he's not as physical as Howley but I think he has better attributes over all compared with Howley. He's faster, has better positioning(I think), can get a score, and he seemed to be playing well there and improving all through the league against quality number 11's.
Fair enough. And Cuniffe did do a good job during the league when he concentrated on marking. Dunno. Just I prefer the Peter Butler type. Compact. And when they hit somebody coming through yer man will think the second time.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 07, 2009, 01:30:50 AM
my point is some how maughan view of this despite being an irrelevancy is taking over the debate . Very doubtful he saw the incident and was probaly going on second hand infor yet he is being castigated by people for their own agenda's . the right and wrongs of the case should provide fuel enough for debate with out Slagging maughan off.
on howley V cuniffe has to be howley every time the man is a natural defender where as cunniffe's strenghts would be much more of an attacking half back and surely we cany have 3 of them
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I dont think there is any debate anyway. If he did nt see it fair enough. Most people probably did nt. But why bring it up on radio when he was nt even asked about it? Nobody is slagging him off. I know him and have the height of respect for him and what he has achieved in the game. What agenda have I against him? I see him as a very weighty person in the game, even on a national level. What he says has weight. How did he get that so wrong?
Anyway. What is the debate? What are the 'right and wrongs' of the case?
Did Joyce not take Howley to the cleaners last year?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
Did Joyce not take Howley to the cleaners last year?
'twas Heaney. Who was obviously under instruction to mark the space at centre-back. PJ, rightly, took this as his cue to roam the field and run the show.
On the same PJ, my own sources i nGaillimh tell me that Sammon offered him the exit door when PJ protested at Nicky being dropped from the panel, and that PJ went very quiet after that... any of the Galway posters able/willing to elaborate?
Some people here would change half the team it seems to try and replace Ronan. Why I don't know?
For the last 2/3 yrs people are saying Howley was the man for the CB spot and only injury stopped him. Heaney got taken to the cleaners by Joyce last year there yet people want to put him back there over Howley who hasn't put a foot wrong any time he wore the Green and Red. It's unlikely Cunniffe will be fit but even if he is I would see his future at wing back rather than the centre.
Moving Harte back to midfield is another one I don't get. He played all his best football for us in the half forward line. He's on fire playing there on the moment. Leave him be.
The obvious replacement for Ronan to me is Parsons. People are saying he's out of sorts but we don't have a lot of evidence for that to go on. True he didn't play an awful lot of the league but that was because he was playing U21 at the same time. A good player is still a good player and sometimes you just have to put faith in them and put them on the field and tell them to do their best.
Ros fair play to u, u've some neck on u talking bout people having an agenda against maughan & all the comments u've made against JOM, talk bout marroon coloured glasses :D. Howley is a far better player than cunniffe, strength, position, going forward, he reminds me so much of peter butler. I think PJ's slow play will suit him down to the ground
anyone know how long mcgarrity will be out for?
only swap i would make from the roscommon game is the forced one.
2 things still worry me though: 1 barry moran in full forward - but i am willing to give this one last try and hope he holds the ball better
2 the full back line were not as tight as i would have liked against roscommon and there can not be
as much space given to galway or we will be in trouble
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 07, 2009, 12:22:07 PM
Ros fair play to u, u've some neck on u talking bout people having an agenda against maughan & all the comments u've made against JOM, talk bout marroon coloured glasses :D. Howley is a far better player than cunniffe, strength, position, going forward, he reminds me so much of peter butler. I think PJ's slow play will suit him down to the ground
That is the key point. Howley won't be run riot by Joyce because PJ doesn't have the pace. If Galway decided to move someone else into centre-half forward, like Armstrong or N Joyce, then that could be a harder one to deal with.
At midfield it is very simple - Parsons in for McGarrity. Parsons hasn't been playing well and is, I believe, still a bit raw. But he's still a great option to have off the bench. I just hope he doesn't waste the ball like he has done so far.
Kilcoyne is definitely going to start in one corner but I'm not sure whether Barry Moran or Conor Mort will start. Moran's injury is meant to be superficial enough but it is denying him training time. Conor Mort didn't look too hectic against Breaffy on Sunday either though. Andy Moran's nine points from play for Ballagh in Newport on Sunday will ask a few questions too. Obviously Aidan O'Shea will start inside with Kilcoyne and then its one from B Moran and Mort, with A Moran an outside chance.
I'd imagine that Andy will start at wing-back though, same line as Roscommon - Gardiner, Howley, Andy - but there'll be serious competition for the corner-back spots. Probably will be the status quo of Higgins and Vaughan.
Quoteon a more positive note my galway sources tell me PJOyce summoned the management team to his lair after the sligo match and demanded a more physical emphasis to training or else face the consequences and also of course he called Nicky back into the squad at the same time.
QuoteLovely, lovely, lovely. Would nt be a bit surprised if this is true. Sammon has nt much choice but to go with it I suppose. Now he probably realises what Ford and Johnno got.
QuoteOn the same PJ, my own sources i nGaillimh tell me that Sammon offered him the exit door when PJ protested at Nicky being dropped from the panel, and that PJ went very quiet after that... any of the Galway posters able/willing to elaborate?
Jaysus lads ye're like a bunch of old biddies with the gossip. ;D
As for Nicky when you read Sammon's comments after he left the panel I think there was always a good chance that he'd be back after the Sligo game. It was in effect a one-match suspension although they didn't want to use that word so he just left the panel for a few weeks.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
Quoteon a more positive note my galway sources tell me PJOyce summoned the management team to his lair after the sligo match and demanded a more physical emphasis to training or else face the consequences and also of course he called Nicky back into the squad at the same time.
QuoteLovely, lovely, lovely. Would nt be a bit surprised if this is true. Sammon has nt much choice but to go with it I suppose. Now he probably realises what Ford and Johnno got.
QuoteOn the same PJ, my own sources i nGaillimh tell me that Sammon offered him the exit door when PJ protested at Nicky being dropped from the panel, and that PJ went very quiet after that... any of the Galway posters able/willing to elaborate?
Jaysus lads ye're like a bunch of old biddies with the gossip. ;D
As for Nicky when you read Sammon's comments after he left the panel I think there was always a good chance that he'd be back after the Sligo game. It was in effect a one-match suspension although they didn't want to use that word so he just left the panel for a few weeks.
yeah you said weeks ago gbb that he would be back after the sligo game
Cant see much change from team that started v Ros except the enforced one.
For me its a case of wait and see now how we go. I dont believe Galway v Sligo any real indication as to how they perform in this one. Never has been. They ll tear into this one and hit the ground running and with home advantage will take beating. We looked great at times v Ros but a lot of that was due to cleaning out midfield. Last year we beat Sligo heavily before going down tamely in McHale park. Lessons were not learned from the Sligo game. Only excellent Clarke saves prevented 3 Sligo goals in the first half but nobody heeded. The last day Ros created 2/3 goal chances from crumbs. You d have to think Galway would capitalise on those chances if we re as slack again. Only Heaney seemed to have a radar for trouble the last day and it is essential he continues to play deep from midfield. At least 1 of the half forwards[trevor obviously] needs to get back and crowd out Galway attacks and kill the time and space likes of PJ loves. We have to do these things to have a chance. Ronan knew when to drop deep as well. Parsons is his likely replacement but does nt have a defensive side to his game. But no other option there without losing the complete shape of the team.
Galway are obviously expecting the twin towers and I would nt disappoint them. Barry Moran lacked a bit of sharpness v Ros but showed 2 summers ago what he s capable of when he s right. Galway played Blake on Kelly v Sligo and while he was at sea they ll have had their eye on a match up v Moran as he s a big man. Hanley will have the task of O Sé while Damien Burke will be trusted to beat up Conor like he usually does or as is more likely this time handle Kilcoyne. Kilcoyne appears to have turned a corner but hopefully its not a false dawn. Burke will be the acid teat and if he does nt do the business the next day its back to the drawing board. Our half forward line is the key I feel and it should nt be messed with. If we lose the half forward battle I cant see us win. Blake needs to be kept on the back foot - Dillon. Galway might struggle on one of the wings. Meehan, Sice? Sammon does nt seem to fancy Mullaghy at all. Which might be just as well. Bradshaw s man will have to make him defend. We dont want him getting forward. Hopefully Harte will keep him occupied.
We will have to improve 100% to have a chance in this one.
Even without McGarrity - who would be a massive loss - Mayo could still dominate midfield.
We have played second fiddle at midfield in pretty much every game I've seen this year apart from the FBD league final against Ros when Cullinane was excellent.
Is there a chance that McGarrity could line out maybe wearing some form of protective mask or something like that?
Anyway for what it's worth this would be my team for the final...
Faherty
Fitzgerald (can't understand how he hasn't been a regular under Sammon - he is very solid. Coyne was destroyed against Sligo and is not suited to the fb line)
Hanley
D Burke
Bradshaw
Blake
A Burke (with Sice and Mullaghy as useful subs for hb line - Deccie I'm afraid has had his day)
Coleman
Cullinane (he can win ball but I'd have serious doubts over his fitness judging by the Sligo game and he is frustratingly inconsistent)
Conroy (not big or physical enough for midfield)
P Joyce
N Joyce
Bergin (to play around the middle)
Meehan
Armstrong
I think that is as good as we could hope to field at the moment. O'Donnell getting sent off may be a blessing in disguise - he wouldn't get a kick of the ball in this game as he is just not good enough for this level (much like Fiachra Breathnach).
The thing that would strike you now is the lack of options on the bench if the above team starts.
The only place we have a bit of quality cover is for the wing back spots with Sice and Mullaghy. We have no quality cover for the fb line, midfield or anywhere up front. Bane would be the best of an average lot up front in reserve.
I'd have Howley over Cunniffe anyday as well. Now is a chance for Parsons to stake a claim to a midfield starting spot. We really don't know how good he's been this year for the seniors because he didn't start many league games as somebody pointed out. I hope he goes and takes his chance and I would leave the rest alone. I wonder will Conor start though? I'd still be wary Galway with the two Joyces at home.
QuoteIs there a chance that McGarrity could line out maybe wearing some form of protective mask or something like that?
I can't imagine so. Playing midfield you are pretty much guaranteed to get a belt or two in the head every game with elbows and arms flying. Would be an awful risk.
QuoteThe only place we have a bit of quality cover is for the wing back spots with Sice and Mullaghy. We have no quality cover for the fb line, midfield or anywhere up front. Bane would be the best of an average lot up front in reserve.
Well Coyne and Alan Burke can cover the corners. Fitzy can cover full-back. Up front with Nicky back and hopefully with Dunleavy and Breathnach fit again you at least have some cover up front. Against Sligo due to those lads being missing and Mattie getting injured we almost had nobody left. Young JJ Greaney even ended up getting a run out. Midfield we are desperately short alright. Cullinane doesn't look fit. I know he was off injured for a while but he looks like he's put on about 2 stone since the FBD mainly to his posterior. Can't see any way he'd stick the pace in a Connacht final. They may use him off the bench in small doses.
I think Bergin has to go back into midfield. After that It can only be either Coleman or Conroy to partner him. One slightly out of leftfield might be to pair Bergin with Bradshaw. Bradshaw can play just about anywhere on the field and has played midfield for Moycullen plenty of times. Of course you lose him rampaging forward from wing-back but in Mullahy and Sice there are decent replacements there. Not sure if Sammon would want to make too many changes though so I think he'll probably leave him where he is.
my agenda against JOM !!!!
i dont think criticizing whi seemed to only accept the job for reason politic and then turn out a mayo team that discarded its best player and turn in performances in the championship like mayo have since esp that loss to derry in 2007. there has been an upturn this year since the middle of the league that im prepared to believe in but we wont see the proof of that till connaught final day.
That's not an agenda just calling it as i see it
Quotethen turn out a mayo team that discarded its best player
Why was he a sub in the club game last weekend?
Quotedont think criticizing whi seemed to only accept the job for reason politic
That's below the belt, your a clown!
Quotethere has been an upturn this year since the middle of the league that im prepared to believe in but we wont see the proof of that till connaught final day.
How can the above be 'calling it as you see it"? Typical idle speculation and waffle from you as usual.
So no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
Quote from: highorlow on July 08, 2009, 09:15:21 AM
Quotethen turn out a mayo team that discarded its best player
Why was he a sub in the club game last weekend?
because he just had a serious Knee injury he wasn't even 30% fit yet still came on and scored 2 points when needed. are you implying he was discarded by the club as well ?
The loss of McGarrity is a cruel blow and makes a tough job even harder. We're great at shooting ourselves in the foot. No point in the county panel being engaged in a blame game. Let the County Board deal with that - the damage is done, the management and panel need to, and will focus on the job at hand.
I hope that there is a simple replacement made - Parsons for Ronan. It is the sensible one. Pat Harte is having his best ever year at number 10, leave him there, give Bradshaw something to think about. I don't think we will be hugely weakened by Parsons coming in. Where we lose out I feel is in options to come on - people talk about Seamus O'Shea but he hasn't played any serious intercounty football, so then you are looking at possibly moving Barry Moran back, switching Harte, or involving Billie Joe. I'm not a big fan of Heaney at midfield though, and would have hoped that a Parsons/McGarrity combination would have been picked.
That should be the only change.
Nicky Joyce and Joe Bergin will give Gardiner and Moran plenty to think about and that is where the game will be really won and lost. If the two lads can do well, we should be making inroads to a famous victory.
A novice corner-back like Vaughan could struggle against Armstrong. I think the lad is strong and pacey but his pace is there running in a straight-line and he could struggle if turned.
Quote from: Barney on July 08, 2009, 09:32:40 AM
The loss of McGarrity is a cruel blow and makes a tough job even harder. We're great at shooting ourselves in the foot. No point in the county panel being engaged in a blame game. Let the County Board deal with that - the damage is done, the management and panel need to, and will focus on the job at hand.
I hope that there is a simple replacement made - Parsons for Ronan. It is the sensible one. Pat Harte is having his best ever year at number 10, leave him there, give Bradshaw something to think about. I don't think we will be hugely weakened by Parsons coming in. Where we lose out I feel is in options to come on - people talk about Seamus O'Shea but he hasn't played any serious intercounty football, so then you are looking at possibly moving Barry Moran back, switching Harte, or involving Billie Joe. I'm not a big fan of Heaney at midfield though, and would have hoped that a Parsons/McGarrity combination would have been picked.
That should be the only change.
Nicky Joyce and Joe Bergin will give Gardiner and Moran plenty to think about and that is where the game will be really won and lost. If the two lads can do well, we should be making inroads to a famous victory.
A novice corner-back like Vaughan could struggle against Armstrong. I think the lad is strong and pacey but his pace is there running in a straight-line and he could struggle if turned.
Agree with most of this but I don't think that Vaughan will start if L O'Malley is fit. The team that was named the last day had Higgins and O'Malley in the corners and if we can take anything from that it's probably that they are the first choices CB's for Johnno this year.
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Ros you are a waffler. So much so that I rarely read your posts.
Whether you like it or not JOM is a decorated player and regarded as one of the best managers in the game.
He won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Quotebecause he just had a serious Knee injury he wasn't even 30% fit yet still came on and scored 2 points when needed. are you implying he was discarded by the club as well ?
Ok, thks for clarifying that, i presumed that he is edging towards the old age category, thats all.
QuoteHe won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Plus his involvements and achievements with Ballina and St.Bridget's at club level.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 08, 2009, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Ros you are a waffler. So much so that I rarely read your posts.
Whether you like it or not JOM is a decorated player and regarded as one of the best managers in the game.
He won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Hypocritical really. i could pull out numerous posts from last year of the same Mayo fans slating JOM. So make up your mind lads.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 08, 2009, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Ros you are a waffler. So much so that I rarely read your posts.
Whether you like it or not JOM is a decorated player and regarded as one of the best managers in the game.
He won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Hypocritical really. i could pull out numerous posts from last year of the same Mayo fans slating JOM. So make up your mind lads.
Go on then.
Quote from: highorlow on July 08, 2009, 10:01:33 PM
Quotebecause he just had a serious Knee injury he wasn't even 30% fit yet still came on and scored 2 points when needed. are you implying he was discarded by the club as well ?
Ok, thks for clarifying that, i presumed that he is edging towards the old age category, thats all.
your welcome don't know what age you have to be to be in the old age category but he is a year younger than Jason Sherlock. then again your attitude doesn't surprise me.
Quotedon't know what age you have to be to be in the old age category
em, maybe ask some of the Armagh posters?
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2009, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 08, 2009, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Ros you are a waffler. So much so that I rarely read your posts.
Whether you like it or not JOM is a decorated player and regarded as one of the best managers in the game.
He won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Hypocritical really. i could pull out numerous posts from last year of the same Mayo fans slating JOM. So make up your mind lads.
Go on then.
No problem give me a day to do it. I find this defence of Johnno hilarious.
Quote from: highorlow on July 08, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
Quotedon't know what age you have to be to be in the old age category
em, maybe ask some of the Armagh posters?
??? ??? you not John o' mahony by any chance. you call ros a clown because he gives his opinion on why he thought o'mahony took the job (i agree with ros by the way but sure you can't say that here) and then as some sort of a comeback because ros mentioned the disguarding of mayos's best player you have a cheapshot at mc by implying that Mc was discarded by his club this week when in fact nothing could be further from the truth but as i said that doesn't surprise me
Here's a sample. Some turnaround!
Moysider- 2008Yes we can blame our defensive fraility on him. He s the manager. He picked and organised -or not - this defence. McHugh said today that he only saw Boyle and Conroy once - against Donegal - and they did nt look up to it. Apparently Johnno thought different. Yesterday he found out for sure. Now Boyle and Conroy are good footballers but they re half back and midfielders. Johnno said he had a hunch that Conroy could play full back. He was wrong. The damning thing about it is these lads looked as raw yesterday as their first league match - and petrified with fear. If any coaching was done on their defensive game it did nt show. Their positioning was wrong, could nt track a run, could nt stand a forward up - stuff they could have been taught. Turns out he left better defenders on the bench and while the subs improved things it left us short on options later in the game. I for one had serious issue with the team for some time. Lumping it into lads in a public forum coming up to a Connacht final is not the thing to do though.
Barney 2008
Yes it was our first real championship test but the problems that arose could have been rectified during the league. Two years into the JOM era there has been nothing of note achieved. There have been 3 teams picked by him for championship football and the three difficult games have been lost, are we now to have attempt number 4 in the qualifiers. The players are lacking but a gameplan could have been devised to overcome these shortcomings. I don't blame him on the McDonald front but his impact has been disappointing. Many times the manager has said he would like to be in the position of managing the team from the morning after the Dublin win in 2006. What would have changed if he had been in charge for the final? Nothing. Mickey Moran was a decent man who did a decent job and was humiliated by our inept County Board. We are getting what we deserve.
In fact this game was a mirror image of the league game. Galway scoring at will, including goals. Big lead pulled back. Carnage in our full-back line. Ausin O'Malley shown up. Joyce pulling the strings. Mayo with the chance to win. Galway cutness winning out.
Dont know why Mayo players would give up at this point, they're only 1 game worse off than Galway. They've trained for 7 months plus and if theyd shown up for the 1st 25 minutes would now be the champions. They can put it right with one victory so dont think they should give up now.
Now despite what I have said this is very true. We only lost by a point (and it is a mixed blessing to have lost - in our current status we would be very vulnerable in Croke Park). However another game to hone things may bring us on for a glorious exit in either the quarters, or with luck the semis (remember we can't face the Kingdom until the semis). There is no point in ripping up the gameplan for this year. The back line does need work although I don't think it can be fixed short-term at this stage. The People's Hero should be shown the door and replaced with Kilcoyne (who has the ability to be a consistent free-taker, and who I felt was best placed for the last kick - can also score 45s), and probably Billie Joe for Trevor. Trevor Howley would add a bit of bite to the backs.
If the manager cannot get the team up for the next game he may as well pack his bags.
Farrendeelin 2008
Don't worry, everyone I've spoken to is delighted we lost, so it will speed up O'Mahony's dismissal, (if the Co board do anything). It was an absolutely pathetic display yesterday. From the word go you could see that we weren't up to it. How we led by a point at ht is beyond me. I don't know what the players are doing on the training field but kicking the ball and shot selection obviously isn't up there with the methods whatever they do. I'm just sick of the same old story. Maybe McDonald would have made a difference today but the whole team weren't tuned in so it's hard to know. I think the management will have to take a good look at themselves because it's back to the drawing-board now. Maybe we haven't the players but if the manager instilled any pride at all the lack of quality could be made up for. Back in the 70s as moysider said. Tyrone weren't great and that's the worse thing of all, same thing about Galway, as they weren't great either. So Mayo must be worse than not great. We need to realise that if O'Mahony is still here next year, we might win a championship game against one of the leading lights of Division 3/4 but that's about it.
James Nallen was the best Mayo player yesterday, what does that tell us about the youth that won the u-21s in 06, I know I've been v critical of Nallen in the past. Last year what happened, we beat Cavan, this year we beat Sligo. Just not good enough I'm afraid.
And don't worry, Angelina and Co won't hear tell of any criticism of Johnno.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:49:20 PM
Here's a sample. Some turnaround!
Moysider- 2008Yes we can blame our defensive fraility on him. He s the manager. He picked and organised -or not - this defence. McHugh said today that he only saw Boyle and Conroy once - against Donegal - and they did nt look up to it. Apparently Johnno thought different. Yesterday he found out for sure. Now Boyle and Conroy are good footballers but they re half back and midfielders. Johnno said he had a hunch that Conroy could play full back. He was wrong. The damning thing about it is these lads looked as raw yesterday as their first league match - and petrified with fear. If any coaching was done on their defensive game it did nt show. Their positioning was wrong, could nt track a run, could nt stand a forward up - stuff they could have been taught. Turns out he left better defenders on the bench and while the subs improved things it left us short on options later in the game. I for one had serious issue with the team for some time. Lumping it into lads in a public forum coming up to a Connacht final is not the thing to do though.
Barney 2008
Yes it was our first real championship test but the problems that arose could have been rectified during the league. Two years into the JOM era there has been nothing of note achieved. There have been 3 teams picked by him for championship football and the three difficult games have been lost, are we now to have attempt number 4 in the qualifiers. The players are lacking but a gameplan could have been devised to overcome these shortcomings. I don't blame him on the McDonald front but his impact has been disappointing. Many times the manager has said he would like to be in the position of managing the team from the morning after the Dublin win in 2006. What would have changed if he had been in charge for the final? Nothing. Mickey Moran was a decent man who did a decent job and was humiliated by our inept County Board. We are getting what we deserve.
In fact this game was a mirror image of the league game. Galway scoring at will, including goals. Big lead pulled back. Carnage in our full-back line. Ausin O'Malley shown up. Joyce pulling the strings. Mayo with the chance to win. Galway cutness winning out.
Dont know why Mayo players would give up at this point, they're only 1 game worse off than Galway. They've trained for 7 months plus and if theyd shown up for the 1st 25 minutes would now be the champions. They can put it right with one victory so dont think they should give up now.
Now despite what I have said this is very true. We only lost by a point (and it is a mixed blessing to have lost - in our current status we would be very vulnerable in Croke Park). However another game to hone things may bring us on for a glorious exit in either the quarters, or with luck the semis (remember we can't face the Kingdom until the semis). There is no point in ripping up the gameplan for this year. The back line does need work although I don't think it can be fixed short-term at this stage. The People's Hero should be shown the door and replaced with Kilcoyne (who has the ability to be a consistent free-taker, and who I felt was best placed for the last kick - can also score 45s), and probably Billie Joe for Trevor. Trevor Howley would add a bit of bite to the backs.
If the manager cannot get the team up for the next game he may as well pack his bags.
Farrendeelin 2008
Don't worry, everyone I've spoken to is delighted we lost, so it will speed up O'Mahony's dismissal, (if the Co board do anything). It was an absolutely pathetic display yesterday. From the word go you could see that we weren't up to it. How we led by a point at ht is beyond me. I don't know what the players are doing on the training field but kicking the ball and shot selection obviously isn't up there with the methods whatever they do. I'm just sick of the same old story. Maybe McDonald would have made a difference today but the whole team weren't tuned in so it's hard to know. I think the management will have to take a good look at themselves because it's back to the drawing-board now. Maybe we haven't the players but if the manager instilled any pride at all the lack of quality could be made up for. Back in the 70s as moysider said. Tyrone weren't great and that's the worse thing of all, same thing about Galway, as they weren't great either. So Mayo must be worse than not great. We need to realise that if O'Mahony is still here next year, we might win a championship game against one of the leading lights of Division 3/4 but that's about it.
James Nallen was the best Mayo player yesterday, what does that tell us about the youth that won the u-21s in 06, I know I've been v critical of Nallen in the past. Last year what happened, we beat Cavan, this year we beat Sligo. Just not good enough I'm afraid.
And don't worry, Angelina and Co won't hear tell of any criticism of Johnno.
Abbeysider would have got you the honour. Barney and Farrandeelin have been anti Johnno for a good while while i dont know about Moysider, so barely a pass. Unless you dig out Abbeysider.
aye and highorjohno wouldn't have a bad word to say about the man indiana
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
i don't know about that indiana if you recall there were a lot of posters questioning the management up to the Dublin game (remember kilcoyne was brought on and taken off that day) and ye should have us hammered out the gate after that results improved . As regards the roscommmon game as my grandfather used to say one swallow doesn't make a summer
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
It's the green and red mist. It descends every Spring. The only variable is when it clears. Some years July others as late as the end of September.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
Indiana, you're being very selective and talking a wee bit of shite. Those 3 posters you pulled out have been slagging Johnno for quite a while. Most people, while not delighted with his first two years have been on his side and have been willing to back one of the best managers the game has ever seen. This is not based on the Roscommon game but on his track record.
If I were you I'd stick to looking closely at your own unproven manager, I know I wouldn't swap with you!
sorry for going off topic lads but if anyone is interested, the lads in www.clubmayo.ie (http://www.clubmayo.ie) are having a bit of an event the Wednesday before the Connacht Final in Dicey Reillys on Harcourt Street...Bit of a Table Quiz, plenty prizes and maybe a bit of a chat about the upcoming match from a guest or two...
more details on the link above....
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on July 08, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
Indiana, you're being very selective and talking a wee bit of shite. Those 3 posters you pulled out have been slagging Johnno for quite a while. Most people, while not delighted with his first two years have been on his side and have been willing to back one of the best managers the game has ever seen. This is not based on the Roscommon game but on his track record.
If I were you I'd stick to looking closely at your own unproven manager, I know I wouldn't swap with you!
Ah sure why would anyone have an opinion on another thread here? Another reason why this board discussion is probably at its lowest level. Wind your neck in.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Hypocritical really. i could pull out numerous posts from last year of the same Mayo fans slating JOM. So make up your mind lads.
Quote from: muppet on July 08, 2009, 10:53:20 PM
Abbeysider would have got you the honour. Barney and Farrandeelin have been anti Johnno for a good while while i dont know about Moysider, so barely a pass. Unless you dig out Abbeysider.
Get your facts straight Indy before you label every Mayo poster a hypocrite. There are plenty of Mayo posters who would have voiced anti –JOM opinions and still do.
I would be one of the first to voice an opinion on whether or not I agreed with a move, selection or tactic.
However, some posters launch scathing personal attacks that included name calling in the past.
I dont mind someone pointing out a mistake, or voicing differences of opinion, or even criticizing a move. But name calling and character attacks should be left in the playground as it is pathetic and cowardice.
All that said, I was originally calling on JOMs track record which proves he is one of the best managers out there. All facts, none of which can be disputed.
That's not to say that he will have success as a Mayo manager.
my comment re the archive i think is well proven by your statement of the facts. the last date you quted if iam reading correctly is 2001. thats pretty much history in my book.
and the second half of my statement reflects my growing positive attitude to this year. maybe he can restore mayo to the heights achieved by Maughan or the men that was chucked out for his convenience M&M.
I really would not care if a Green TD made the team wear jerseys made from hemp if it helped mayo win an all Ireland. but as JOM pointed out to CMcdonald lasyt year you have to prove your self every time you go out on the pitch. Players and manager. hopefully ill end up looking silly come september, thats not one of my major concerns
I was just stating the facts as I saw it last year indiana. And we've beaten one of the leading lights in Division 3/4 this year as I've predicted!! :D
Lads does anyone know if there is any Irish Pub/Pub in either Townsville or Cairns showing the match, I wonder is PJ O'Briens in Cairns showing it. I am more likely to be in Townsville when the match happens so just wondering does anyone know?
Quoteyou have a cheapshot at mc by implying that Mc was discarded by his club this week
Where did I imply that?
My main point is that ros is a waffler and as far as I'm concerned that point is proven.
As regards McD I regret even bringing up the issue now. I was in no way having a cheap shot at Kieran and would never intend to.
QuoteAh sure why would anyone have an opinion on another thread here? Another reason why this board discussion is probably at its lowest level. Wind your neck in.
Cheeky Dubs have an opinion on another County. ;)
Quote from: highorlow on July 08, 2009, 09:15:21 AM
Quotethen turn out a mayo team that discarded its best player
Why was he a sub in the club game last weekend?
Quote from: highorlow on July 09, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
Quoteyou have a cheapshot at mc by implying that Mc was discarded by his club this week
Where did I imply that?
My main point is that ros is a waffler and as far as I'm concerned that point is proven.
As regards McD I regret even bringing up the issue now. I was in no way having a cheap shot at Kieran and would never intend to.
i don't know maybe it was the above quote which you wrote straight after ros's comments like what had that comment to do with o' mahony ??? anyway fair enough if you say you weren't having a cheapshot at him
Indy, I must say I'm impressed by your determination to prove your point. Trouble is that I don't quite know what the point is. If any of the posters you selected in your trip down memory lane had claimed that he never said a bad word about my good friend, I'd say you were dead right.
Otherwise, you will have to accept that they were reacting to the facts as they saw them to be- at the time of writing.
For instance, if Farrandeelin did state: "Don't worry, everyone I've spoken to is delighted we lost, so it will speed up O'Mahony's dismissal...," I could not find anything wrong with his statement.
Unless you should doubt his honesty, and I don't think you are doing this, he is entitled to have his statement taken as factual reporting. If he then goes on to say that he personally feels the same way- and gives his reasons, he is also entitled to do this as it reflected his personal feelings at the time in question.
Likewise with Moysider and Barney.
I don't always see things their way but of their integrity and devotion to Mayo football, there can be no doubt whatsoever. All anyone can be asked to do is to call they shots as he see them.
The same applies to John O'Mahony.
I would hope he is never swayed by popular opinion or by electoral expectations. Obviously, he is only human and is subject to many sorts of pressure. But he took on the job and knew full well what lay in front of him.
I also think he is a proud and ambitious individual who would dearly like to end his managerial career with an All-Ireland win for his own Mayo. I would never doubt his devotion to the cause and I will gladly kiss him on both cheeks (front - and rear if needs be) if he manages to pull it off.
But I do have serious reservations about some of the things he has done in the past two years and those concerns still remain, regardless of what happens this season.
I am not going over old ground again if I don't have to but one matter I did highlight was the way in which he used the need to close his panel by a certain date as being a reason for declaring that Mac's intercounty career was over. The morning after Ciaran gave his famous interview to the Indo, Johnno was to state that the panel was in fact still open and that the player in question could still play himself onto the panel - if his form justified this.
Well, the man displayed great form on the club scene and was selected on the Mayo team of the season (or whatever it's called.) He had also declared his desire to play for Mayo again so where was the problem in recalling him?
I have found nobody to date who can point out any other county that had to close its panel in the same way. Until I get a satisfactory explanation of why Johnno acted in the way he did, my doubts will remain. Period!
This season, things seem to be getting better and both team and manger appear to be operating much better as a unit. All I ever ask of any team or its manager is that they should perform the best of their abilities.
Good luck to both Johnno and his team; this is a new season and, on the field at any rate, the events of the last two seasons don't enter the picture.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 08, 2009, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Quote from: rosnarun on July 08, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
QuoteSo no matter the result in the CF you will win. You will be able to re-commence your slating of one of the best managers in the game if we lose. Waffler.
please file this in the archive section untill further proof is available
Ros you are a waffler. So much so that I rarely read your posts.
Whether you like it or not JOM is a decorated player and regarded as one of the best managers in the game.
He won All Ireland titles playing for Mayo Minors and Mayo U21s in the 70's.
He managed Mayo Under-21s to an All-Ireland title in 1983.
He managed Mayo senior team to back-to-back Connacht titles in 1988 and 1989.
He narrowly lost out to Cork in 1989 with Mayo Senior team.
He managed Leitrim to their first ever Connacht title in 1994 (one of, if not his biggest achievement)
And not forgetting, he won All Ireland Senior Championships with Galway in 1998 and 2001.
Also in 2009 he was named in the Sunday Tribune's list of the 125 Most Influential People In GAA History.
Your personal attacks, assaults of character, and name-calling directed and JOM was and is pathetic.
Maughan also managed Mayo to successive Connacht titles in 96/97. He also got us to 2 AIFs losing narrowly in those same years (true, his tactics on those final days did mess things up big time) But my dad blames O'Mahony's lack of change in 89 for not winning that day too.. Is he better than JOM one wonders??? At least Maughan and he's not my favourite either, didn't manage Galway.
I am concerned we are going down the road of the Galway hurlers.
Like them we have had plenty of underage quality (in the more competitive football arena). We have a very good club scene which is as competitive and at a level of any county in the country. We have had a litany of experienced of highly qualified, experienced managers three of whom have brought us to All-Ireland Finals since Galway last won a senior hurling title. Like the Galway hurlers we tend to hound them out of their jobs pretty quickly.
Also like the Galway hurlers we haven't won the big one in a long time. Even more like the Galway hurlers our quality club scene may have become more of a hindrance to the county team. The way the animosity is developing between Cross and Ballina reminds me of Portumna and Loughrea and most people agree that their feud does not the help Galway hurlers.
I don't want the next 20 years to be like the last 20 of either our footballers Galway's hurlers.
Jesus, a lot of pointless shite being dragged up on this thread.
We better get some sort of an injury update to get us back on track. This is the Connacht Final thread, not the 'in-fighting and recriminations' thread.
Aye. Time to move on.
From the Western: Obviously its not full piece, its related to the MacG incident.
Mayo can ill afford any other injuries in the lead up to their July 19 showdown with the Tribesmen. Ronan McGarrity's Ballina club-mate, goalkeeper David Clarke, and Castlebar duo Barry Moran and Tom Cunniffe are still nursing knocks. Moran, however, despite missing Castlebar's championship defeat of Aghamore on Saturday, is expected to be fully recovered from a thigh injury. Groin-victim Clarke has resumed light training but Cunniffe's recovery from the same complaint is still reported as slow.
Can't see Cunniffe starting the Connacht final , even if he does manage to get over the injury in time. He's been out a couple of months now, he'll never have regained match fitness by Sunday week. He did a great job on Joyce in the league from the reports I read (I wasn't at it) and had settled in very well to CHB after the first couple of league games. Howley looked rusty when he came back but has improved with each game.
I'd let Heaney remain at midfield - he can always be moved onto Joyce if Howley is being roasted. I'd only make the one straight swap - Parsons for McGarrity. People are mentioning Seamus O'Shea as an option, but having seen him in the Breaffy v Shrule/GC match, I don't think he's up to it, certainly not on present form.
With Kilcoyne in his best form of the last few years (since 06 anyway) and the twin towers worth another outing, I think C Mort will have to make do with another start on the bench. He wasn't too impressive in the club match last Sunday either - Kieran Conroy looked the best of the county men, with Aidan O'Shea showing glimpses as well.
The only other position I'd be concerned about is coner-back. It would be a big step-up for Vaughan. Liam O'Malley isn't mentioned in that report, is he fit yet? I know he can be a bit hit and miss, but I thought he was playing very well in the league up until his injury.
Quote from: OirthearMhaigheo on July 08, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 08, 2009, 10:59:30 PM
Ah sure I'll have a look but I was talking generally. This year Johnno can do no wrong where as last year his name was mud. Is this all on the basis of the Roscommon game.
Indiana, you're being very selective and talking a wee bit of shite. Those 3 posters you pulled out have been slagging Johnno for quite a while. Most people, while not delighted with his first two years have been on his side and have been willing to back one of the best managers the game has ever seen. This is not based on the Roscommon game but on his track record.
If I were you I'd stick to looking closely at your own unproven manager, I know I wouldn't swap with you!
I m one of the posters Indiana 'pulled out' - your phrase. I have never slagged Johnno. Just reasonable and justified criticism as I see it. Go read the example Indiana quoted. Still stands up. A year later. I mean where is Conroy and Boyle now?
I was also critical of him losing McDonald. Still am. It was a bad call then and it still is. Anybody who saw him the last day would realise he is still the best footballer in Mayo. Even on one leg. We d have beaten Galway last year with him and have a better chance of doing so this year - even on one leg. Other attempts here to put McDonald in the has been geriatric category are well wide of the mark.
This year I could nt understand his decision to lose Aiden Higgins. But I have also given credit where it s due eg, the selection of Heaney at midfield. I have no axe to grind with the man. If it was anybody else that made the obviously bad calls he has last 2 years I would be on their case too.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Jesus, a lot of pointless shite being dragged up on this thread.
We better get some sort of an injury update to get us back on track. This is the Connacht Final thread, not the 'in-fighting and recriminations' thread.
You are right I should have posted that post on the mayo club thread (but I was curious to see how any Galwegians would react) .
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2009, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Jesus, a lot of pointless shite being dragged up on this thread.
We better get some sort of an injury update to get us back on track. This is the Connacht Final thread, not the 'in-fighting and recriminations' thread.
You are right I should have posted that post on the mayo club thread (but I was curious to see how any Galwegians would react) .
You must try harder Muppet ;) I do believe your football famine puts our hurling equivalent well and truely in the shade though!
I do however agree with you point on hounding managers out of a jobs. Our turnover over the past 10 years has been nothing short of criminal and our county boards actions in this regard leaves a lot to be desired. And true to form, they are in a right heap at the moment a few days in advance of our most important game to date this year :-\
Quote from: Tubberman on July 09, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Jesus, a lot of pointless shite being dragged up on this thread.
We better get some sort of an injury update to get us back on track. This is the Connacht Final thread, not the 'in-fighting and recriminations' thread.
Yeah, you are right.
This happens all the time when we're hanging around waiting for the off in a big match. I'd welcome the arrival of Sligonian at this stage; if for nothing else, he'd provide a target for all to have a go at.
For the first time since Johnno, returned, I found reason to be moderately hopeful after the Ross game. It's early days yet, but the team that day had a more settled look about it. The side kept its concentration until the result was no longer in doubt. Not closing out a game when we were on top, has been the cause of many a Mayo defeat in recent times.
Also, the selection of Heaney at midfield was justified. I thought it was very significant that he stuck to his task and stayed in his selected position, for most of the time at any rate. He and Gardener have lost the run of themselves and moved up into the forwards far too many times in the past.
With his experience and coolness under pressure, he will be needed at midfield. I don't think a pairing of Parsons and O'Shea would be a good idea. They are both too inexperienced for the task in hand and whoever faces them will be old dogs on a hard road. I hope the team will show minimal change from the side that faced Roscommon.
The enforced absence of McGarrity means someone, probably Parsons, will start in midfield but I'd leave the rest alone. At this stage of the campaign, it's vital to have a settled side. The time for chopping and changing has gone.
The one thing I'd hate to see would be a Galway win and a Mayo side complaining about the way the nasty bullies roughed them up. I am beginning to believe that the present side will stand up to whatever is thrown at them and will do their talking on the field.
Yes, I am confident enough going into the game myself. The only thing is that the Salthill hoodoo. Then again, hoodoos are made to be broken.
I also taught that the bullying tactics came from some supporters and not from the players themselves. And I don't think anything that Galway players did could compare to some of the nothern teams for example but we're going over old ground here.
I think McGarrity is a big loss, he destroyed us at midfield in 2006 against probably the same pairing that we'll have out the next day. Hopefully we'll do what we've done in the last few years rattle in a few goals at the start and then hang on :)
Quote from: myball22 on July 09, 2009, 05:10:50 PM
I also taught that the bullying tactics came from some supporters and not from the players themselves. And I don't think anything that Galway players did could compare to some of the nothern teams for example but we're going over old ground here.
I think McGarrity is a big loss, he destroyed us at midfield in 2006 against probably the same pairing that we'll have out the next day. Hopefully we'll do what we've done in the last few years rattle in a few goals at the start and then hang on :)
Like the league eh? ;)
that was fun while it lasted but theres always some one who comes in and spoils it.
now who is going to start bringing up the austin o malley quotes from 3 or 4 years ago and defend them now .
indy you got a new job
I would expect O Malley - Liam that is, to start in the corner the next day. Not having a cut at Vaughan or anything but we need a bit of experience back there - even if it has not always been a good experience. I know Liam has his doubters on here but he is in the credit column as far as I m concerned. In the past he s often had to handle the opposition s best player in a defensive system that could nt help out an old lady to cross the road. Other times he was asked to fill in at full-back against men twice as big as him. Vaughan is a good one and great bursting forward. Not sure his radar is well enough tuned in to mark though and he seems to struggle with his footwork if twisted and turned. I d see him at this stage as impact for hb line with Kevin McL as a better option as a marker in reserve.
Fair comments by John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser this week
QuoteA win but I couldn't help feeling miserable
Mayo Advertiser, July 10, 2009.
By John Maughan
I drove away from Ballina last Sunday afternoon feeling pretty miserable if I am to be totally honest. Yes, Crossmolina had won the championship encounter against their near neighbours Ballina Stephenites, but the game had attracted much attention for all the wrong reasons. There was an ugliness and a nasty undercurrent from start to finish throughout this encounter. Two players were sent off during the game and, as we now know, Ronan McGarrity suffered a serious injury that may possibly jeopardise his participation in the Connacht final on Sunday week. I am conscious of not elaborating on the issue to any great extent, as I am led to believe that there is to be an investigation into the game and a number of incidents that took place during it. I fully endorse and welcome this investigation and if any player from either club is found to have broken the rules, then there is a mechanism in place to deal with those issues. I sincerely hope McGarrity is fit to play against Galway as I fully recognise his importance to the Mayo football team. Needless to say his loss would be significant as Mayo do not have another midfield player of comparable ability to replace him. I wish him well and sincerely hope he recovers sufficiently to take his place in Pearse Stadium.
The win leaves us on three points, the same tally as Knockmore in our group. Knockmore were pushed all the way by Ballinrobe last Saturday and were mightily relieved to come away with a win. That victory means that Ballinrobe have no chance of making it to the quarter finals as they lost their first round match to Ballina. Crossmolina play Ballinrobe in a months time and I want to make it known right now that Crossmolina will be taking nothing for granted for this encounter. Needless to say the big match in this group will be between Ballina and Knockmore. A win for either team will guarantee its progress through to the next stage. The Knockmore boys were there in numbers last Sunday, no doubt devising their strategy for what could potentially be a cracking game in four weeks time.
As SLIGONIAN has it for the Kerry/Sligo game, bring it on. A week's time we'll know who the winner is, unless it goes to a replay.
As we all know the weather in Salthill can have a huge impact on a game.
Expecting this to be a very close affair. Toss of a coin and hopefully we can come out the right side.
Early forecast is for light rain:
http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Galway-EIXX0017 (http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Galway-EIXX0017)
Im expecting it to be closer than people think too.
The wind is often a factor in Salthill. If its breezy it will be to Galways advantage as they are at home and would know and judge it better.
A wet day often suits a bigger team. In that respect I dont think it will be a factor as there isnt a hug difference in size between the two teams.
Both Galway and Mayo have big and small men.
There probably wont be a squeeze for tickets will there?
The game is on TV and Salthill is not the most popular venue among supporters as its so hard to get in and out.
I heard at work here in Galway and can see on galwaygaa.ie that tickets are available from the Stadium all week as well as from Tuam Stadium and Ionad Peile na Gaillimhe.
Is that a bit odd?
In Mayo, tickets are dispersed through the clubs. I cant remember if tickets were ever available at McHale park or other outlets for a Connaught Final in Mayo.
Well it is odd surely, us Mayo ones snap up tickets (for all occasions if we can) like there's no tomorrow!
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 13, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Im expecting it to be closer than people think too.
The wind is often a factor in Salthill. If its breezy it will be to Galways advantage as they are at home and would know and judge it better.
A wet day often suits a bigger team. In that respect I dont think it will be a factor as there isnt a hug difference in size between the two teams.
Both Galway and Mayo have big and small men.
There probably wont be a squeeze for tickets will there?
The game is on TV and Salthill is not the most popular venue among supporters as its so hard to get in and out.
I heard at work here in Galway and can see on galwaygaa.ie that tickets are available from the Stadium all week as well as from Tuam Stadium and Ionad Peile na Gaillimhe.
Is that a bit odd?
In Mayo, tickets are dispersed through the clubs. I cant remember if tickets were ever available at McHale park or other outlets for a Connaught Final in Mayo.
Not being smart or anything Abbeysider but what are people thinking? You seem to be suggesting people are expecting a biggish win for one of the teams? Which one?
it could be a close one but as the fella says its all on the day and who gets the breaks.is it really that hard to get to and from pearse stadium with traffic?
Quoteis it really that hard to get to and from pearse stadium with traffic?
It requires patience
Quote from: mannix on July 13, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
it could be a close one but as the fella says its all on the day and who gets the breaks.is it really that hard to get to and from pearse stadium with traffic?
Fairly hard alright. Pearse Stadium is smack bang in the middle of a huge housing estate so you have to negotiate a maze of roads to get into and out of Salthill and the main road from Salthill back into the city centre is sure to be jammers. The traffic is woeful there even after club games played in front of 10,000 so you can imagine what it's like with 30,000+ there.
I have patience anyway. I don't think the lads who I'll be bringing to the game will have the same level of tolerance as I do though..
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2009, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 13, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
it could be a close one but as the fella says its all on the day and who gets the breaks.is it really that hard to get to and from pearse stadium with traffic?
Fairly hard alright. Pearse Stadium is smack bang in the middle of a huge housing estate so you have to negotiate a maze of roads to get into and out of Salthill and the main road from Salthill back into the city centre is sure to be jammers. The traffic is woeful there even after club games played in front of 10,000 so you can imagine what it's like with 30,000+ there.
not many club matches in Galway attract crowds of 10,000+, i would say only the hurling club final attracts that type of crowd. Galway people aren't great for following their teams, take for example Galway V Ros in the minors last year, we were out numbers in Tuam.
Tuam is not without its traffic problems, the league match this year was delayed by 15 minutes due to crowd congestion. The traffic going into Tuam that day was crazy.
Quote from: thebackbar on July 13, 2009, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2009, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 13, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
it could be a close one but as the fella says its all on the day and who gets the breaks.is it really that hard to get to and from pearse stadium with traffic?
Fairly hard alright. Pearse Stadium is smack bang in the middle of a huge housing estate so you have to negotiate a maze of roads to get into and out of Salthill and the main road from Salthill back into the city centre is sure to be jammers. The traffic is woeful there even after club games played in front of 10,000 so you can imagine what it's like with 30,000+ there.
not many club matches in Galway attract crowds of 10,000+, i would say only the hurling club final attracts that type of crowd. Galway people aren't great for following their teams, take for example Galway V Ros in the minors last year, we were out numbers in Tuam.
Tuam is not without its traffic problems, the league match this year was delayed by 15 minutes due to crowd congestion. The traffic going into Tuam that day was crazy.
Hurling final often gets up to 15,000 there alright depending on the teams involved. Football final only seems to attract somewhere between 5,000 to 7,000 in recent years.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2009, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 13, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Im expecting it to be closer than people think too.
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Not being smart or anything Abbeysider but what are people thinking? You seem to be suggesting people are expecting a biggish win for one of the teams? Which one?
Moy, everyone I talk to seems to think that we will beat Galway. Some even say we are going to win it comfortably.
Im not talking about people on this board, although there is an air of confidence here too.
I dont see it that way, in fact we could be in for a rude awakening. We are still untested in areas, especially the defence and we have not had a competitive game yet.
The favourites tag never suited us and Galway will only love Mayo going into this game, c**k-the-walk after giving Roscommon a hiding. People are saying that Galway were poor against Sligo, but how hard were they really trying? They were guilty of settling back and using their lead as a cushion but the Connaught final will be totally different.
Galway are a sleeping giant, capable of a big win every now and then and if they get their tactics right we could be in trouble. I expect Galway to be first out of the traps and set the tempo. They are a different animal when they see the green and red so it will be a tight, hard fought game.
I wouldnt at all be surprised with Galway winning narrowly. Especially in Salthill and even more so if Mcgarity is out. Im treading cautiously on this one.
Totally agree. As a county we never seem to learn from the lessons of the past. Where this confidence is coming from I cant see.
Our display v Roscommon said as much about them on the day as it did us. Galway did what they had to do against Sligo. Not brilliant but I was impressed with a lot of their game. Dont think either of those games give any real indication of what will happen the next day.
If McGarrity fit to start[ and I believe now there is a chance he will be] then I give us a 50/50 call but with a large dose of heart in there. If Ronan is absent I would nt be that hopeful. Hard to quantify one players influence but if he s not able to play I would call it the region of a 3-5 point swing to Galway.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
If McGarrity fit to start[ and I believe now there is a chance he will be]
is that from a good source? it would be great if he was
i've been to the last couple of Galway v Mayo Games & will be their sunday again (rossies minors playing) here's hoping it's another good game like last year, which was one of the best games of the year.
but rarely have i seen a good game in salthill it's a pity tuam is no more :-\ i expect a close low scoring game here with Galway to win by 2pts
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
Totally agree. As a county we never seem to learn from the lessons of the past. Where this confidence is coming from I cant see.
Our display v Roscommon said as much about them on the day as it did us. Galway did what they had to do against Sligo. Not brilliant but I was impressed with a lot of their game. Dont think either of those games give any real indication of what will happen the next day.
If McGarrity fit to start[ and I believe now there is a chance he will be] then I give us a 50/50 call but with a large dose of heart in there. If Ronan is absent I would nt be that hopeful. Hard to quantify one players influence but if he s not able to play I would call it the region of a 3-5 point swing to Galway.
Mayos midfield is probably our strong point if McGarity does play...
If not Parsons will get the nod although he has gone of the boil since the U21 campaign.
Either way,
what will happen
if when Galway crowd the middle (which I fully expect) and leave Sean Armstrong and Meehan inside with acres of space ?
:-\
Sean Armstrong and Meehan Vs (2 of...)
Cafferkey - Untested
O Malley - Lacks Game Time
Higgins - Did Ok against Ross, our most experienced in full back line (at what age?)
Vaughan - Struggled a little with pace of the corner. Didnt look comfortable with people running at him.
Quote from: ross4life on July 13, 2009, 04:40:37 PM
... i expect a close low scoring game here with Galway to win by 2pts
On the contrary I think it will be a high scoring game. Both full forward lines will do damage and I expect both nets to be rattled.
It all depends on the midfield really. If Galway can break anyways close to 50-50 at midfield then they have a great chance. In last year's Connacht Final we were wiped out at midefield for around the last 15 mins of the half half and first 20 mins of the second half. Only we rattled in two goals before the game settled down, we would have been in big trouble, as it was it was level with ten minutes to go after been 6 points up at one stage.
We ended up with four or five midfielder on at one stage against Sligo and again we go into a Connacht final with questions over midfield.
I think our backs get unfair criticism at times (and there is some lazy journalistic minds about Glaway forwards being brilliant and backs being shite) but they won't cope if Mayo break anymore than 60-40 at midfield.
Quote from: myball22 on July 13, 2009, 05:08:42 PM
It all depends on the midfield really. If Galway can break anyways close to 50-50 at midfield then they have a great chance. In last year's Connacht Final we were wiped out at midefield for around the last 15 mins of the half half and first 20 mins of the second half. Only we rattled in two goals before the game settled down, we would have been in big trouble, as it was it was level with ten minutes to go after been 6 points up at one stage.
We ended up with four or five midfielder on at one stage against Sligo and again we go into a Connacht final with questions over midfield.
I think our backs get unfair criticism at times (and there is some lazy journalistic minds about Glaway forwards being brilliant and backs being shite) but they won't cope if Mayo break anymore than 60-40 at midfield.
That says a lot really. Not many teams think they have a chance of winning with 40% of possession. Anytime we only get 40% there s a cricket score against us.
I have to agree with the Mayo posters here. It never is easy to get a victory in Galway. I wonder would O'Mahony risk putting McLoughlin on in the cornerback position. I doubt it though. If it descends into a dogfight and is wet, I can't see Kevin Mc been much good. IF McGarrity's back it will be a boost to us in centrefield. Heaney will have to prove that he hadn't a one off against Ros the last day there. In all fairness, Ros were terrible.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2009, 11:20:37 PM
I have to agree with the Mayo posters here. It never is easy to get a victory in Galway. I wonder would O'Mahony risk putting McLoughlin on in the cornerback position. I doubt it though. If it descends into a dogfight and is wet, I can't see Kevin Mc been much good. IF McGarrity's back it will be a boost to us in centrefield. Heaney will have to prove that he hadn't a one off against Ros the last day there. In all fairness, Ros were terrible.
indeed we were terrible just like the last time i saw Mayo in salthill & i'm sure you won't want a repeat of that ;)
Well, I wasn't there that day as I had an exam in Dublin the following morning at 9am. So they won't be as bad this time!! ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2009, 11:20:37 PM
I have to agree with the Mayo posters here. It never is easy to get a victory in Galway. I wonder would O'Mahony risk putting McLoughlin on in the cornerback position. I doubt it though. If it descends into a dogfight and is wet, I can't see Kevin Mc been much good. IF McGarrity's back it will be a boost to us in centrefield. Heaney will have to prove that he hadn't a one off against Ros the last day there. In all fairness, Ros were terrible.
It depends what people want from Heaney. I d be delighted with a grafting, sweeping supporting game with the odd drive forward but being Mayo most fans will be looking for high catching and if he does nt do that there ll be grumbling. Enda McGinley probably the most effective midfielder at the minute, but he hardly ever outfields anybody. Some people like the Nicolas Murphy s but give me McGinley every time. As far as I m concerned Heaney is the perfect foil for McGarrity. We ll have to wait and see if Parsons and Heaney work as well. But I dont think Heaney has anything to prove to anybody. If we had 10 Heaneys last 13 years we d be sitting pretty. We ve other things to consider before we start looking at Heaney imo.
I dont think he ll start McLoughlin. I think he ll go with O Malley with Vaughan as back-up. Personally I think McL a better marker than Vaughan for what its worth.
Heaney is exactly what we need at midfield. He was quietly effective against Roscommon and I've little doubt he'll be the same on Sunday. Anyone know when the team is being announced?? Hand on heart Moysider can you see McGarrity starting?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 13, 2009, 11:40:36 PM
Heaney is exactly what we need at midfield. He was quietly effective against Roscommon and I've little doubt he'll be the same on Sunday. Anyone know when the team is being announced?? Hand on heart Moysider can you see McGarrity starting?
I m hopeful he can yet. He s training and he took part in a squad game at the weekend. Still a long shot but there s a chance. The fracture was described as a non displaced fracture. That means though while there are cracks, thankfully nothing out of place. Ye can still sup tea out of a cracked cup.
Ye boys dont seem to have much faith in Tom Parsons? I'd be of the opinion that he's a quality player (as talented as McGarity but lacking the experience) and that this idea that he was in poor form recently is a bit overblown...
Piece on my favourite Mayo wins over Galway.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/five-of-the-best/
Can't wait for Sunday now.
Loools very like Ronan will be at least on the bench. If so Johhno can't grumble too much. It's going to be as tight as tuppence.
Why don't they do a park & ride from Ballybrit, at least 75% of the traffic will be coming from that direction.
Quote from: GBXII on July 14, 2009, 12:03:27 AM
Ye boys dont seem to have much faith in Tom Parsons? I'd be of the opinion that he's a quality player (as talented as McGarity but lacking the experience) and that this idea that he was in poor form recently is a bit overblown...
I m a bit bemused myself with some posts about Parsons, to be honest. Was nt aware that his form had bottomed out or anything.
Parsons is a top player. But it s not as simple as 'McGar is out, so what? Tom Parsons will do as good a job or better'
My views on TP well posted at this stage. I would have him on starting 15 even if Ronan were fit and well while keeping the McGar/Heaney partnership in midfield.
McGar missing would weaken our hand considersably. If Parsons starts there s steadiness on the bench but hardly gamewinners. I mean if the Galway fullback line copes with Moran/O Shea axis and Burke beats up Kilcoyne, its hard to see Conoreen come on and slap Burke around?
I agree totally Parsons shows class. But it would be great to have McG available.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: GBXII on July 14, 2009, 12:03:27 AM
Ye boys dont seem to have much faith in Tom Parsons? I'd be of the opinion that he's a quality player (as talented as McGarity but lacking the experience) and that this idea that he was in poor form recently is a bit overblown...
I m a bit bemused myself with some posts about Parsons, to be honest. Was nt aware that his form had bottomed out or anything.
Parsons is a top player. But it s not as simple as 'McGar is out, so what? Tom Parsons will do as good a job or better'
My views on TP well posted at this stage. I would have him on starting 15 even if Ronan were fit and well while keeping the McGar/Heaney partnership in midfield.
McGar missing would weaken our hand considersably. If Parsons starts there s steadiness on the bench but hardly gamewinners. I mean if the Galway fullback line copes with Moran/O Shea axis and Burke beats up Kilcoyne, its hard to see Conoreen come on and slap Burke around?
Absolutely would love to have McG there too, he's a top player and seemed to be returning to his old form. However if Heaney can keep the form he should against Ross and Parsons plays like he has been for his short Mayo career thus far I'd say we'll be fine in that area, assuming the other half backs and half forwards contribute as expected.
On the Moran/O'Shea issue, if the Galway full back line manages to handle them then in fairness they are on the way to victory, its unlikely they'll keep the two boys quiet. Kilcoyne I'd still worry about, might be a better idea to start C Mort and bring on Kilcoyne where we know he'll do well from the bench but I doubt O'Mahony will drop him after his performance against Ross.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2009, 11:52:53 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 13, 2009, 11:40:36 PM
Heaney is exactly what we need at midfield. He was quietly effective against Roscommon and I've little doubt he'll be the same on Sunday. Anyone know when the team is being announced?? Hand on heart Moysider can you see McGarrity starting?
I m hopeful he can yet. He s training and he took part in a squad game at the weekend. Still a long shot but there s a chance. The fracture was described as a non displaced fracture. That means though while there are cracks, thankfully nothing out of place. Ye can still sup tea out of a cracked cup.
I know that reports about Ronan's injury may have been exaggerated but, from what I have been reading here, I doubt it.
I'd hate to see him on the field unless he is really up to it. He has shown tremendous character and devotion to the cause by coming back and playing himself into the reckoning again. I thought he was recovering his old form again and himself and Heaney were shaping up for the best midfield pairing we have had for a long time.
They complement each other very well. If Heaney is deemed fit enough to stick the pace, he is adept at picking up loose ball and can distribute passes as well as any one else on the side but I cannot recall him ever contesting a high ball and coming away with it. Ronan on the other hand, is the best fetcher we have on the side but he is not the bustling, harrying type.
If only the years could be rolled back and we had David Brady and Ronan together at midfield, we'd have as good a combination as could be fielded by any other country in the land!
But there is no point in wishful thing and we got to make do with the best we have. Tom Parsons seems to be the best option if either of the pair that started against Roscommon doesn't begin the game at midfield but I'd hate to see neither of them there. I think the time for wholesale chopping and changing is over. I am reasonably optimistic that the team will hit the ground running as they did against Roscommon.
As for the Salthill hoodoo, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The game is there for the taking— if Mayo shows up in the right state of mind.
Would anyone disagree with me that Mayo lost out in Salthill so many times because they were just the inferior side each time?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2009, 10:52:42 AM
As for the Salthill hoodoo, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The game is there for the taking— if Mayo shows up in the right state of mind.
Would anyone disagree with me that Mayo lost out in Salthill so many times because they were just the inferior side each time?
the fact that mayo are untested in this years championship worries me. galway had a tough game against sligo and that will stand to them. I am worried about the marking in the full back line too. this game is not going to be easy for either team and i think we will see a goal or two for each team.
with regard to the hoodoo . it is a pile of shit. we went to tuam in '99 and won by 4 (i think) and there was a hoodoo there too. if we can win the midfield battle and keep tight at the back i give us a good chance. i am going for mayo but only by 1 or 2 points
I would nt be one for hoodoos either. However I think playing at home is a big advantage to a side and when sides are even enough it should swing it. What annoys me more than our rare victories on Galway soil is how easily they come along and roll us over in McHale Park. That s where the imbalance lies. There has been 2 instances of that in recent years. Last year being particularly sickening because, as has been well discussed on this board, we shot ourselves badly in the foot. If we had won that one there would nt be as much pressure on the side to win this one. The qualifiers would not be as catastrophic as they will look on Sunday night if we lose. There appears to be an all or nothing approach to this one from a Mayo point of view. This may work in our favour - or not.
Galway since 2001 have done little outside province and 2 times we got out we reached the final. They seem to have the knack of beating us economically. I recall 89 when we were a much better side we could only draw in Tuam. In replay in Castlebar we were nt spoiled with an 8 point win. I m still troubled by the fact that we seemed to have to be much better than Galway to actually win against them - especially away.
We have nt played that much in Salthill either. 84 and is it 3 times this century? Hardly hoodoo territory?
If we re good enough no reason not to win it, even away.
I think in modern day terms, hoodoos are a bit of a cod, Mayo have played very few matches in Pearse Stadium and indeed, if you were to go back to 1997, they had played frig all championship matches in Tuam either before that particular "hoodoo" was broken.
I see that Mayo are looking like risking McGarrity for this match. Surprised at this as I would have thought that even excluding him the advantage was still firmly with Mayo for this sector. Encouraging from a Galway point of view that Mayo would be worried enough to even think of playing him at any stage on Sunday.
All the form since the league match in Tuam has been in favour of Mayo, with a significant stop being put to Galways league gallop that day. I read in the online version of the Mayo News that only Higgins will remain out of the starting backs from 2008 on the Mayo team next Sunday. It goes to show the improvements made in this department by Mayo over the last 12 months since the June Castlebar match.
I feel that this could be a defining clash for Mayo, losing three years on the bounce in the championship to Galway is not the legacy that O'Mahony came back to leave. They have what looks to be a new major threat in O'Shea up front, form looks to be with them and as I've said they have tightened up the defence no end. I don't think Mayo are primed for a back door clash the following week, I'd rate the match on Sunday as do or die for them.
These clashes are usually tight ('04 and '07 being exceptions), Galway will certainly have a better starting lineup than the Sligo match and you'd have to assume that they will up it for a clash against Mayo. Salthill is surely worth one or two points to us as well. It all points to a match the is going to be very close I think, if either back line can keep a clean sheet it could be the deciding factor.
As I understand it, McG has a break in his upper jaw?
This happened to me previously - it's more likely in his cheekbone or the bone around his temple. It's not something tht affects you in the way that a lower jaw break would (i.e. wires etc) but if he were to get a belt on it (from an accidentally flailing maroon-clad arm!!), it would be extremely sore unless he can wear a mask.
Looking forward to the match. I would be more worried about our inexperienced FB line and our overly attacking wing backs than I would about Parsons at midfield. Hopefully Kilcoyne can start well and produce another good game.
Was very impressed with the Dubs at the weekend - when their midfielders/half backs got the ball around the middle, they immediately looked up and passed it. Too many Mayo players instinctively solo/hop the ball before they even consider passing, this slows up the game - would like to see Mayo moving the ball faster on Sunday.
going on the gung ho way galway have go in against mayo in recent years I doubt if RMcg will be risked from the beginning maybe after a 20 mins or so when the game has evened out might be a better time to introduce him.
As ffor parsons id have no worries , since the first few league games he has been playing very well , but heaney should always start for mayo if he is at all fit , and parsons was the man to lose out v Ross.
In some ways Parsons may be a better alternative than partner for Mcgarrity as they are quiet similar . we could have a brand new midfield sunday as i think heany could well get the Joyce role
Quote from: rosnarun on July 14, 2009, 07:03:26 PM
going on the gung ho way galway have go in against mayo in recent years I doubt if RMcg will be risked from the beginning maybe after a 20 mins or so when the game has evened out might be a better time to introduce him.
I hope you are still whinging on about the "gung ho" approach from Galway on Monday morning.
I have a feeling that james nallen will partner Heaney in Midfield for this particular clash. most people would be in agreement that Galways midfield would not be the most mobile of units and Nallen has played very well in midfield for Crossmolina this year.
Quote from: Terry Tate on July 14, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
I have a feeling that james nallen will partner Heaney in Midfield for this particular clash. most people would be in agreement that Galways midfield would not be the most mobile of units and Nallen has played very well in midfield for Crossmolina this year.
Jesus could you imagine. If Galway had anyone fast to run at him we'd be left for dead there. No, it's time for Parsons to stake his claim in the team now, if he's up to it that is and leave O'Mahony with more selection headaches (in a good sense) imo. I do agree with AFA as regards O'Mahony's legacy. He won't want to lose 3 years in a row to Galway. Trouble for him is that he's not the only one and knives might well come out if we do lose on Sunday.
What happened to Macdanger1??
Galway team will be named on Thursday night after training. Mattie Clancy is definitely out injured from what I've heard, the obvious replacement being Nicky Joyce. Niall Coleman will probably replace Gary O'Donnell,I don't think Cullinane is able for 70 minutes. Gary Sice will probably play instead of Deccie Meehan. Talking to a few Mayo people over the weekend and according to them we might as well not show up. Mayo's name is on the cup already boys. ;)
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 14, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
Galway team will be named on Thursday night after training. Mattie Clancy is definitely out injured from what I've heard, the obvious replacement being Nicky Joyce. Niall Coleman will probably replace Gary O'Donnell,I don't think Cullinane is able for 70 minutes. Gary Sice will probably play instead of Deccie Meehan. Talking to a few Mayo people over the weekend and according to them we might as well not show up. Mayo's name is on the cup already boys. ;)
Must be a select few surely. Any I've spoken to isn't thinking that way at all.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 14, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
Galway team will be named on Thursday night after training. Mattie Clancy is definitely out injured from what I've heard, the obvious replacement being Nicky Joyce. Niall Coleman will probably replace Gary O'Donnell,I don't think Cullinane is able for 70 minutes. Gary Sice will probably play instead of Deccie Meehan. Talking to a few Mayo people over the weekend and according to them we might as well not show up. Mayo's name is on the cup already boys. ;)
Reminds me. I was talkin to a few Galway lads there earlier today. They reckon that Mayo are ripping the piss even turning up. They expect to win handy enough 'like they usually do' without straining themselves. Looks like Galway s name is on the cup already boys.
I ll stick to my usual form of never using smilies or winkies.
QuoteI have a feeling that james nallen will partner Heaney in Midfield for this particular clash
Jesus.
From Hogan Stand:
McGarrity could yet face Tribesmen
Mayo's Ronan McGarrity
14 July 2009
Broken jaw victim Ronan McGarrity could yet see action for Mayo against Galway in Sunday's Connacht SFC final after making a surprise return to training last weekend.
Despite suffering multiple hairline fractures to his cheekbone following an off-the-ball incident in a club match last Sunday week, Mayo manager John O'Mahony is refusing to rule the Ballina midfielder out of the Pearse Stadium decider and will give him every chance to prove his fitness.
"Ronan was in with us over the weekend and did a little bit of running, but the situation is evolving all the time," O'Mahony said.
"It's a long shot, but we have to wait until the swelling goes down and until Ronan speaks to consultants this week. It's not something that we can give a definite answer on at the moment but we're putting all our energy into sorting it out. Everybody just needs space at the moment because the nature of the injury means that it's something that has to be monitored."
Defender Liam O'Malley is back in contention for a starting place after missing the semi-final rout of Roscommon with an ankle injury, but goalkeeper David Clarke and centre back Tom Cunniffe remain sidelined with groin injuries.
O'Mahony will name his starting XV tomorrow night.
Meanwhile, his Galway counterpart Liam Sammon is expected to make three changes to the team that edged out Sligo in the other semi-final with the suspended Gary O'Donnell and the injured Matthew Clancy set to be replaced by Niall Coleman and the returning Nicky Joyce.
The third change is expected to see Corofin's Gary Sice come in for the long-serving Declan Meehan in the half back line.
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
why not throw a real curve ball and predict an S o shea Parsons midfield with Heaney as i predicted before Marking P Joyce
my team which will look foolish tomorrow is
Kenneth O'Malley;
Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Higgins;
Peadar Gardiner, Trevor Howley, David Heaney;
S oshea, Tom Parsons;
Pat Harte, Alan Dillon, Trevor Mortimer;
Aidan O'Shea, Aidan Kilcoyne andy moran
Quote from: The flame still burns on July 14, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
You ve left Keith Higgins off that team.?
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2009, 02:59:26 AM
Quote from: The flame still burns on July 14, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
You ve left Keith Higgins off that team.?
Higgins for Vaughan surely??
The old butterflies are working their way in the stomach as it is Wednesday. We need this win on Sunday. If we win on Sunday then I'll be guaranteed attendance (due to being overseas) at my first Mayo match since 1/4 final loss to Kerry '05, surely the lads can't deprive me of that!
QuoteQuote from: The flame still burns on July 14, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
You ve left Keith Higgins off that team.?
I think he meant Keith Higgins and Liam O'Malley for the corners because he said directly above that:
QuoteLiam O'Malley for Donal Vaughan and Tom Parsons for Ronan McGarrity.
That's the team I'd like to see start as well, assuming it's too rsky to start McGarrity. It would be a massive gamble to throw S O'Shea in there for his first championship start. TIALTNGO reckons he's flying in training but starting a Connacht final in Salthill is hardly the place to find out.
If P Joyce is giving Howley a roasting, Heaney could be moved back to CHB, and McGarrity brought on - that hardly weakens the team.
This talk of Seamus O'Shea starting is nonsensical. He may be flying in training but where has he been the last 12 months. He will not be up to championship football pace. The only way to bring these players along is to allow them have a league campaign and work from there.
Expecting Liam O'Malley to come in for Vaughan, and AN Other to be named at midfield.
Its going to be a big task to win but hopefully the same focus as was there against the Rossies will see us through.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
They seem to have the knack of beating us economically. I recall 89 when we were a much better side we could only draw in Tuam. In replay in Castlebar we were nt spoiled with an 8 point win. I m still troubled by the fact that we seemed to have to be much better than Galway to actually win against them - especially away.
If we re good enough no reason not to win it, even away.
Moysider, do you remember that there used to be a general acceptance that Galway were always more streetwise than either Mayo or Roscommon?
I first heard of their alleged superior mental toughness back in the mid-60s and I felt that Mayo and indeed Rossie fans generally accepted it as a fact. Certainly, of the three teams in question, Galway always seemed the best bet to give a good account of themselves whenever they crossed the Shannon.
When they won in Connacht, Mayo and Roscommon did not perform well when they came to Headquarters. Galway, it was felt could always stay composed under pressure and Mayo or Ross would need to be a few points the better side to have any chance.
The figures in question were generally put at three for Mayo and up to five for Roscommon.
Sadly for Sligonian, Sligo or the Ridgebacks were never even considered.
I haven't heard much of this sort of talk since Mayo broke the so-called hoodoo in Tuam but it was definitely widespread and was much used by the herrin' chokers whenever there were verbals between rival sets of fans.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
They seem to have the knack of beating us economically. I recall 89 when we were a much better side we could only draw in Tuam. In replay in Castlebar we were nt spoiled with an 8 point win. I m still troubled by the fact that we seemed to have to be much better than Galway to actually win against them - especially away.
If we re good enough no reason not to win it, even away.
Moysider, do you remember that there used to be a general acceptance that Galway were always more streetwise than either Mayo or Roscommon?
I first heard of their alleged superior mental toughness back in the mid-60s and I felt that Mayo and indeed Rossie fans generally accepted it as a fact. Certainly, of the three teams in question, Galway always seemed the best bet to give a good account of themselves whenever they crossed the Shannon.
When they won in Connacht, Mayo and Roscommon did not perform well when they came to Headquarters. Galway, it was felt could always stay composed under pressure and Mayo or Ross would need to be a few points the better side to have any chance.
The figures in question were generally put at three for Mayo and up to five for Roscommon.
Sadly for Sligonian, Sligo or the Ridgebacks were never even considered.
I haven't heard much of this sort of talk since Mayo broke the so-called hoodoo in Tuam but it was definitely widespread and was much used by the herrin' chokers whenever there were verbals between rival sets of fans.
Unfortunately Lar, the facts back up that theory. Galway have nine All-Irelands, Mayo three, Roscommon two and Sligo and Leitrim none. That's where the streetwise stuff comes from.
Mayo people spend too much time looking for hoodoos, curses and bogeymen. It takes more than six years to build a hoodoo and Galway are only back in Salthill six years. Anybody in Mayo talking about a hoodoo is just lonesome for Tuam and should be under supervision, for his or her own safety.
That story about a curse on the '51 team is all my hat as well. The first I heard about that curse was outside the Big Tree on Dorset Street, Dublin 7, the evening of the 2004 final. For the fifty-three years before that, not a dicky-bird. It must have been on a slow fuse, that particular curse.
If Mayo are good enough, they'll win. If they're not, they won't.
Of course, if anybody wants to go into Páirc an Phiarsaigh with the jacket on inside-out in respect to the little people on whose fairy-fort the place is built, that's fine. There's no sense in being bolshy about these things either. ;)
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2009, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
They seem to have the knack of beating us economically. I recall 89 when we were a much better side we could only draw in Tuam. In replay in Castlebar we were nt spoiled with an 8 point win. I m still troubled by the fact that we seemed to have to be much better than Galway to actually win against them - especially away.
If we re good enough no reason not to win it, even away.
Moysider, do you remember that there used to be a general acceptance that Galway were always more streetwise than either Mayo or Roscommon?
I first heard of their alleged superior mental toughness back in the mid-60s and I felt that Mayo and indeed Rossie fans generally accepted it as a fact. Certainly, of the three teams in question, Galway always seemed the best bet to give a good account of themselves whenever they crossed the Shannon.
When they won in Connacht, Mayo and Roscommon did not perform well when they came to Headquarters. Galway, it was felt could always stay composed under pressure and Mayo or Ross would need to be a few points the better side to have any chance.
The figures in question were generally put at three for Mayo and up to five for Roscommon.
Sadly for Sligonian, Sligo or the Ridgebacks were never even considered.
I haven't heard much of this sort of talk since Mayo broke the so-called hoodoo in Tuam but it was definitely widespread and was much used by the herrin' chokers whenever there were verbals between rival sets of fans.
Unfortunately Lar, the facts back up that theory. Galway have nine All-Irelands, Mayo three, Roscommon two and Sligo and Leitrim none. That's where the streetwise stuff comes from.
Mayo people spend too much time looking for hoodoos, curses and bogeymen. It takes more than six years to build a hoodoo and Galway are only back in Salthill six years. Anybody in Mayo talking about a hoodoo is just lonesome for Tuam and should be under supervision, for his or her own safety.
That story about a curse on the '51 team is all my hat as well. The first I heard about that curse was outside the Big Tree on Dorset Street, Dublin 7, the evening of the 2004 final. For the fifty-three years before that, not a dicky-bird. It must have been on a slow fuse, that particular curse.
If Mayo are good enough, they'll win. If they're not, they won't.
Of course, if anybody wants to go into Páirc an Phiarsaigh with the jacket on inside-out in respect to the little people on whose fairy-fort the place is built, that's fine. There's no sense in being bolshy about these things either. ;)
When Galway won the three in a row in the sixties, Mayo were always within a couple of points of Galway. My father always maintains that man for man we had the same ability as the Galway lads, but when the game went into the final ten minutes Galway had that extra bit, call it luck, craft, leadership. There is no doubt that we have lacked those qualities in the big games over the past 4 decades. As for the hodoo, remember Biddy Early and the Clare hurlers? if we are good enough on Sunday evening to win the game we will and curses or the salthill sand wont make a difference.
I'd pretty much expect the team The flame still burns named to be the one picked.
However I think Conor would be unlucky not to start more due to Barry Moran troubles than any great performances by him this year. Although it has to be said I don't think a change will be made as the twin towers is obviously a key tactic.
I first heard of the famous '51 curse before the 1996 All-Ireland final. Of course, we all laughed and shrugged it off back then but...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
I first heard of the famous '51 curse before the 1996 All-Ireland final. Of course, we all laughed and shrugged it off back then but...
The only relevant curse is the one you hear at the final whistle of our last game every summer.
Is it easy to put a curse on Mayo? Might come in handy next time we have to go to Castlebar.
Quote from: muppet on July 15, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
I first heard of the famous '51 curse before the 1996 All-Ireland final. Of course, we all laughed and shrugged it off back then but...
The only relevant curse is the one you hear at the final whistle of our last game every summer.
Bang on, Muppet.
Most counties that are unsuccessful have stories of a similar type. I say that the reason for the abundance of pisreogs and mí-adh stories is that some supporters won't accept that their side wasn't up to it at a given time and want to blame outside forces instead of accepting the obvious. For instance,, a widely-held Sligo excuse is that their team missed mass when heading to Dublin for the semis after winning their first Connacht title in 1928. The priest is supposed to have cursed them on the altar when they failed to show up. Good luck to them against Kerry but I hope they don't turn up blaming some unfortunate priest for their expected failure before a ball is thrown in! If the team and fans paid even the slightest heed to this nonsense, the likelihood indeed is that they will wind up on the losing side once more.
Mayo certainly have had an above average share of bad luck but then so have lots of others. Kerry have lost more All-Irelands than we have!
I wouldn't bother with the bullsugar about any priest's curse at any time. Sometimes the cause mightn't be immediately obvious but they usually is a human element involved.
Remember the loss to Meath in '96.
The common moan is that we wuz robbed when the ref sent McHale to the line, isn't it?
We can blame the bleddy ref for allowing Geraghty to take a quick free that got a goal in the closing stages alright but McHale was the author of his own misfortune.
After the first game, he sounded off in public about the rough tactics of the Meath gang and said he'd be ready the next time. When he sailed in to wave his handbag about as the scrap started, the ref may been reacting this promise.
I think we should take the advice of Ciaran McDonald when a reporter asked him what it felt like to finally break the Tuam hoodoo.
"F**k the hoodoo," Mac is supposed to have replied and he went on his merry way.
Let's hope the lads on Sunday will adopt the same attitude.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2009, 02:23:03 PM
I think we should take the advice of Ciaran McDonald when a reporter asked him what it felt like to finally break the Tuam hoodoo.
"F**k the hoodoo," Mac is supposed to have replied and he went on his merry way.
Let's hope the lads on Sunday will adopt the same attitude.
think he actually said that lar when cross won the Ai club title and some reporter said something like how did he feel now that the hoodoo of mayo teams loosing finals in croke park was broken to which he replied "fcuk the hoodoo" not exactly the reply the jounalist was expecting i'd imagine :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2009, 08:34:45 PM
What happened to Macdanger1??
He was frozen out by the management of the forum!!!
Don't think McG will start on Sunday, looks like games from JOM to keep the media focus on McG rather than on AO'S or any of the other players.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2009, 08:34:45 PM
What happened to Macdanger1??
He was frozen out by the management of the forum!!!
Don't think McG will start on Sunday, looks like games from JOM to keep the media focus on McG rather than on AO'S or any of the other players.
Thank God that doesn't happen to any of our footballers...
Quote from: GBXII on July 15, 2009, 07:07:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2009, 08:34:45 PM
What happened to Macdanger1??
He was frozen out by the management of the forum!!!
Don't think McG will start on Sunday, looks like games from JOM to keep the media focus on McG rather than on AO'S or any of the other players.
Thank God that doesn't happen to any of our footballers...
Excellent reply!! GBXII:D
McGarrity in - incredible
Team: Kenneth O'Malley; Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Peadar Gardiner, Trevor Howley, Andy Moran; David Heaney, Ronan McGarrity; Pat Harte, Trevor Mortimer, Alan Dillon; Aidan Kilcoyne, Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea.
So O'Malley for Vaughan is the only change.
Hope he has a good game if he starts. He might not start either though. Liam O'Malley is back in the corner as expected ahead of Vaughan. I wonder how Conor Mort is feeling now that he has lost out again??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
Hope he has a good game if he starts. He might not start either though. Liam O'Malley is back in the corner as expected ahead of Vaughan. I wonder how Conor Mort is feeling now that he has lost out again??
He'll have probably expected it after Kilcoyne's performance the last day. Expect it to be tight in the last 10 minutes and by then he'll definitely be on.
Probably our biggest strength is our bench, we've got Mortimer, Parsons, Vaughan and McLoughin to come on if needed, I don't think Galway have that kind of strength in depth - could be the difference.
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2009, 02:59:26 AM
Quote from: The flame still burns on July 14, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
You ve left Keith Higgins off that team.?
Indeed I did. A mighty fine c**k up by me. Well spotted. Thanks for having my back Tubberman!
Quote from: The flame still burns on July 15, 2009, 10:30:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2009, 02:59:26 AM
Quote from: The flame still burns on July 14, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
McGarrity isn't out of the reckoning but I just can't see him starting. My own attempt at picking the team.
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/wholl-go-to-war-against-the-tribes/
You ve left Keith Higgins off that team.?
Indeed I did. A mighty fine c**k up by me. Well spotted. Thanks for having my back Tubberman!
I knew what you meant anyway. But nobody can afford to be sloppy the week of a Connacht final.
Only messing. Good to see Ronan in. Hopefully he ll be able to start.
I notice that unlike the team for last years final there s a general agreement that most of the selection calls are right this year. Apart from Rosnarun who would nt have Harte and probably Caf anywhere near the team.
Andy Moran at wing back and Kilcoyne in the corner are developments that would not have been obvious 6 months ago. This Sunday will be the acid test for these initiatives by management. If these two boys impose themselves on the game and have the better of it it would be a great boost to our chances. I think we ll need them to come up thrumps to be honest.
ill reserve my right right on cafferkey un till after sunday as these are the type of games the show a players character and quality. ditto for S o shea if he starts. every thing that happened before Sunday is irrelevant ,
this is when players are shown to have arrived and unfortunately also shows up players who will never make it or are now past it . like Padraig Joyce.
As for harte i dont think my opinion on him will change at this point. he blows cold hit abd and too often too hot.
BTW
i think its a bullshit team named for the media and program printer .
If Ronan doesn't make it i wound'nt like to bet on what way hell be replaced , so why tell the herreing chokers anymore than you have to
Team: Kenneth O'Malley; Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Peadar Gardiner(0-1), Trevor Howley, Andy Moran; David Heaney, Ronan McGarrity(0-1); Pat Harte(1-1), Trevor Mortimer(0-1), Alan Dillon(0-5); Aidan Kilcoyne(0-3), Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea(1-2)
Possible Galway Team: Faherty; Coyne, Hanley, Burke; Bradshaw(0-1), Blake, Sice; Coleman, Cullinane; Armstrong(0-3), P.Joyce(1-1), N.Joyce(0-2); Bane(0-2), Meehan(0-4), Conroy(0-2)
Mayo 2-14
Maroon Blues 1-15
If Ronan does nt make it I hope it does nt take changing 2 or 3 lines to replace him like we used do in days gone by. Decent county squads should be able for straight swaps with minimum of fuss. Parsons the obvious replacement with O Sé as back up.
Quote from: dodo on July 16, 2009, 12:43:59 AM
Team: Kenneth O'Malley; Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Peadar Gardiner(0-1), Trevor Howley, Andy Moran; David Heaney, Ronan McGarrity(0-1); Pat Harte(1-1), Trevor Mortimer(0-1), Alan Dillon(0-5); Aidan Kilcoyne(0-3), Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea(1-2)
Possible Galway Team: Faherty; Coyne, Hanley, Burke; Bradshaw(0-1), Blake, Sice; Coleman, Cullinane; Armstrong(0-3), P.Joyce(1-1), N.Joyce(0-2); Bane(0-2), Meehan(0-4), Conroy(0-2)
Mayo 2-14
Maroon Blues 1-15
If that happens it ll be one of the all time great classics and I for one will be very happy.
Quote from: dodo on July 16, 2009, 12:43:59 AM
Team: Kenneth O'Malley; Liam O'Malley, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Peadar Gardiner(0-1), Trevor Howley, Andy Moran; David Heaney, Ronan McGarrity(0-1); Pat Harte(1-1), Trevor Mortimer(0-1), Alan Dillon(0-5); Aidan Kilcoyne(0-3), Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea(1-2)
Possible Galway Team: Faherty; Coyne, Hanley, Burke; Bradshaw(0-1), Blake, Sice; Coleman, Cullinane; Armstrong(0-3), P.Joyce(1-1), N.Joyce(0-2); Bane(0-2), Meehan(0-4), Conroy(0-2)
Mayo 2-14
Maroon Blues 1-15
no scoring subs? what about conor give him a bit of hope
It won't be as high scoring as last years final, that strange breeze that blows around Salthill will play a big role. No goals either I'd say. I predict a record amount of wides, with Spillane et al giving out about the state of Connacht football blah blah blah.
Galway 0-9
Mayo 0-8
>:(
I hope I'm wrong..
Connaught Senior Football Championship
Foireann Sinsir Mhaigh Eó against Gaillimh
in Pearse Stadium, Galway
1 Kenneth O'Malley Ballinrobe
2 Liam O'Malley Burrishoole
3 Ger Cafferkey Ballina
4 Keith Higgins Ballyhaunis
5 Peadar Gardiner Crossmolina
6 Trevor Howley Knockmore
7 Andy Moran Ballaghaderreen
8 David Heaney Swinford
9 Ronan McGarrity Ballina
10 Patrick Harte Ballina
11 Trevor Mortimer Shrule-Glencorrib
12 Alan Dillon Ballintubber
13 Aidan Kilcoyne Knockmore
14 Barry Moran Castlebar
15 Aidan O'Shea Breaffy
ESB Connaught Minor Football Championship
Mayo Minor Team to play Roscommon
in Pearse Stadium, Galway
1 Michael Slingermann Kiltimagh
2 Michael Walsh Ardnaree
3 Keith Rogers Ballaghaderreen
4 David Gavin Breaffy
5 Keelan Crowe Garrymore
6 Shane McDermott Burrishoole
7 Ciaran Charlton Kiltimagh
8 Danny Kirby Castlebar
9 Alex Corduff Ballina
10 Andrew Farrell Killala
11 Darren Coen Hollymount
12 Fergal Durkin Castlebar
13 Brian Ruttledge Knockmore
14 Aidan Walsh (Captain) Castlebar
15 Cillian O'Connor Ballintubber
Mayo favorites on betfair now (2.16), Galway are 2.2.
Its early days yet but the weather isnt promised mighty...
From www.met.ie
Rain will gradually spread eastwards across the country on SATURDAY. It will be heavy in parts of Munster and south Leinster, but lighter further north. There'll be some lingering patchy rain or drizzle on Saturday night.
SUNDAY and MONDAY will both be breezy days with moderate to fresh west to northwest winds. There'll be bright or sunny spells and occasional showers, some heavy.
Daytime temperatures over the weekend and on Monday will range from the low to mid teens in the west and north and from mid to high teens in the east and south.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 16, 2009, 11:35:26 AM
Its early days yet but the weather isnt promised mighty...
From www.met.ie
Rain will gradually spread eastwards across the country on SATURDAY. It will be heavy in parts of Munster and south Leinster, but lighter further north. There'll be some lingering patchy rain or drizzle on Saturday night.
SUNDAY and MONDAY will both be breezy days with moderate to fresh west to northwest winds. There'll be bright or sunny spells and occasional showers, some heavy.
Daytime temperatures over the weekend and on Monday will range from the low to mid teens in the west and north and from mid to high teens in the east and south.
hope the weather isn't too bad mannix and myself intend to head up on the auld motorbikes
McGarrity named but still not certain to start.
He's going to have a fitness test but unless it involves the 2 Trevors running at him I still don't think you can be to sure. But it does look like they are thinking of staring him. That would also seem to suggest that if he doesn't start then it will more than likely be a straight swap for him, probably Parsons.
Same with Liam O'Malley I heard this morning on the radio. He's subject to a fitness test on Sunday morning.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 01:09:18 PM
Same with Liam O'Malley I heard this morning on the radio. He's subject to a fitness test on Sunday morning.
Yeah, that was on Newstalk... coupled with an interview with Billy Joe , introduced as someone that might get the nod if McGarity isnt fit.
I couldnt see Billy Joe start in the middle but it was a good interview.
Like most of these situations I think the management and players know who will and won't start.
The wind factor in Salthill is an awful pity but those are the cards that face us. I pray that we can get over the line but my doubts are beginning to grow.
Mayo 2.8 Galway 0.16
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 16, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 01:09:18 PM
Same with Liam O'Malley I heard this morning on the radio. He's subject to a fitness test on Sunday morning.
Yeah, that was on Newstalk... coupled with an interview with Billy Joe , introduced as someone that might get the nod if McGarity isnt fit.
I couldnt see Billy Joe start in the middle but it was a good interview.
You never know, Cullinane is only a horse, BJP hasn't much football in him and he might neutralise him there.
cant agree with you re. bjp he is as natural a gaelic footballer as we have. hes the one player i would have no resevations about putting in any jersey on the pitch. how many other players could you say that about. it hs hurt him in getting a starting role but he is indpeseable to the panel
Here's Ray Silke's two cents: http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/14645
Unusual sort of a piece. He says that Galway can win because they have more reliable scorers, but that Mayo will win because they don't want to lose three straight to Galway. Not sure if all that is entirely logical. I think Ray is worried about the Mayo threat certainly, but he's hedging a little in this piece.
Mayo have the motivation to sneak past Galway on Sunday
Galway Advertiser, July 16, 2009.
By Ray Silke
My uncle worked in the pub business all his life. It's all he really knew. I remember clearly one day as a young lad when he asked me what a pub needed to survive. I was young and innocent so I spoke of good food, passing trade, live music, a good pint of Guinness, a growing demographic in the area and some sponsorship of local teams and events. Yada, yada, ya.
He looked at me, shook his head and said:"No Ray. The secret to a good pub business is to have about 15 or 20 regulars who have a few quid and who'll show up at that door every day. You'll always survive if you have a few men who need a few scoops every day."
Likewise a successful football team needs the same kind of consistency, only on the scoring front - a few men who will score regularly and deliver the goods on any given day for their team. Galway have them.
Men like Michael Meehan, Sean Armstrong, and Padraig Joyce will invariably notch up a few scores between them. Likewise Cormac Bane, Nicky Joyce, and Joe Bergin know how to pop over a few scores, and based on that fact, Galway should be able to hit 1-10 or 1-12 at a minimum next Sunday.
The key question is will that be sufficient to overcome the ever-growing challenge posed by Mayo this weekend?
Mayo and John O'Mahony will be coming to Pearse Stadium extremely psyched up to get some revenge for their defeats in 2007 and 2008 at the hands of this Galway squad.
O'Mahony in particular will be very keen to avoid a hat-trick of defeats to the maroon and white.
In 2007 Galway won 2-10 to 0-9 in Pearse Stadium with Cormac Bane doing the damage with a two-goal salvo. Last year in Castlebar it ended in a one-point win for the Tribesmen, 2-12 to 1-14.
Galway got off to a flyer last year. With Padraig Joyce scoring 1-03, and Michael Meehan and Cormac Bane notching up three points each, Galway snuck over the winning line.
So what of 2009? All we can look to is the evidence. Mayo looked very fit, focused, and in top gear in their facile win over Roscommon. On the flip side, while Galway shot out of the traps against Sligo, not for the first time, they seemed to run out of some steam in the third quarter before snatching victory through a late Joe Bergin point and a Sean Armstrong goal.
When the teams met in the league Mayo played a powerful second half to go on and win, and young Aidan O'Shea and Trevor Mortimer did awful damage to the Galway rearguard.
Tom Parsons came on for Mayo that day in Tuam and his mobility and ball-winning was a key factor in Mayo's success.
Galway will need a combination of Joe Bergin and Paul Conroy, and perhaps Niall Coleman and Barry Cullinane, to work their socks off in the engine room to try to get enough primary possession for their forwards. The possible loss of Ronan McGarrity for Mayo does strengthen Galway's hand as the Ballina man is a crucial player for Mayo.
Galway will need to stop the penetrating runs of Peadar Gardiner and Andy Moran from the wing-back berths where they did considearble damage against Roscommon. A key battleground will be the clash of the Mayo half forward line of Alan Dillon, Trevor Mortimer and Pat Harte against Gareth Bradshaw, Diarmuid Blake, and probably Declan Meehan.
If Galway dominate in those three positions, they can come through, but the Mayo trio are playing very well and look to be in fantastic shape.
There is usually very little between these sides and calling a winner is fraught with danger. As Sean Armstrong who was man-of-the-match and scored 1-03 against Sligo, pointed out: "Mayo will not want to be beaten by us for three years in a row. That will provide strong motivation for them. We know that. However in a Connacht final between Mayo and Galway, that goes out the window and there is never much between the sides. We don't want to be beaten at home either and we are quietly confident that if we play to our potential, we can come through this test."
There are 30 Connacht medals on offer this Sunday and the other major carrot for both teams is to be straight into the All-Ireland quarter-finals which is the easiest route for teams with bigger ambitions of playing football in late August or September.
I hope I am wrong,but based on what I saw in the flesh down in McHale Park in the Connacht semi-final and in Markievicz Park, I believe that Mayo merit their favourites tag for Sunday.
QuoteUnusual sort of a piece. He says that Galway can win because they have more reliable scorers, but that Mayo will win because they don't want to lose three straight to Galway. Not sure if all that is entirely logical. I think Ray is worried about the Mayo threat certainly, but he's hedging a little in this piece.
That is a strange logic but then this is a guy that was dropping Blake before the championship and playing Niall Coyne centre back with 4 other Corofin players in the backs. Think he had Bane starting at no. 11 as well. So I wouldnt read too much into what he says!
Dunno. Must have misread it myself. Did nt see where he said Mayo would win. Closest he came to saying that is where he says Mayo deserves to be favourite based on what he s seen so far. Which is different. I think he s saying Galway more dependable to put up a match winning score but he s wary that Mayo may be able to better it this time. Which is a fair enough assessement I think.
Season Tickets!!
Do season ticket holders just go to Stile 62?and is there seat numbers in the stand or do you just go in a sit down anywhere
Quote from: mortified on July 16, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
Season Tickets!!
Do season ticket holders just go to Stile 62?and is there seat numbers in the stand or do you just go in a sit down anywhere
You must go through Stile 62 alright but I'm not sure whether you can sit down anywhere or not. You could for the Ros game but then i'd expect a bigger crowd at this one.
Your exact seats in the stand are to be allocated when you got through the season ticket stile on Sunday, that's according to the email sent out by the season ticket crowd anyway.
I hope next year (if) I get my season ticket they will allow supporters in the terraces.
Is there an option to buy the seat next to a season ticket seat this for this game?
I have a season ticket but have not received an e-mail this week, unless it was sent after I left work today.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 16, 2009, 08:17:24 PM
Is there an option to buy the seat next to a season ticket seat this for this game?
I have a season ticket but have not received an e-mail this week, unless it was sent after I left work today.
There was but the closing time for this extra ticket purchase was 1.59pm this afternoon I believe.
I got the email about this on tuesday evening.
Galway team to play Mayo
Adrian Faherty
Niall Coyne
Finian Hanley
Damien Burke
Gareth Bradshaw
Diarmuid Blake
Gary Sice
Paul Conroy
Niall Coleman
Joe Bergin
Padraig Joyce
Nicky Joyce
Sean Armstrong
Michael Meehan
Declan Meehan
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 16, 2009, 09:21:40 PM
Galway team to play Mayo
Adrian Faherty
Niall Coyne
Finian Hanley
Damien Burke
Gareth Bradshaw
Diarmuid Blake
Gary Sice
Paul Conroy
Niall Coleman
Joe Bergin
Padraig Joyce
Nicky Joyce
Sean Armstrong
Michael Meehan
Declan Meehan
WTF?! Deccie Meehan at corner forward?
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 16, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 16, 2009, 09:21:40 PM
Galway team to play Mayo
Adrian Faherty
Niall Coyne
Finian Hanley
Damien Burke
Gareth Bradshaw
Diarmuid Blake
Gary Sice
Paul Conroy
Niall Coleman
Joe Bergin
Padraig Joyce
Nicky Joyce
Sean Armstrong
Michael Meehan
Declan Meehan
WTF?! Deccie Meehan at corner forward?
Deccie has found his new calling as a nippy corner forward. ;D
Galway's half forward line is still very strong. Cullinane is not starting either so they should have more ball-players at midfield. Tough assessment for Mayo and my hopes, like Barney's are dwindling by the minute.
Obviously I think Deccie is going to patrol midfield looking to pick up breaking ball so interesting to see what Mayo do with the extra man at the back. I suspect they will leave him where he is and go 3 on 2 at the back.
Wonder is Breathnach injured as this is the one thing he could probably do quite well?
Well that's a complete bolt out of the blue, I suppose they'll be looking to bring him out around midfield to mop up the breaking ball. The rest of the team is as expected, we'll see big Barry coming on along with Bane at some stage I'm sure, hopefully Niall Coyne will have a better day at the office. Thankfully they resisted the temptation to start Barry. I can see Nicky and Sean swapping positions, Sean's been doing well at wing forward and Nicky usually does better in the corner.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 16, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
Well that's a complete bolt out of the blue, I suppose they'll be looking to bring him out around midfield to mop up the breaking ball. The rest of the team is as expected, we'll see big Barry coming on along with Bane at some stage I'm sure, hopefully Niall Coyne will have a better day at the office. Thankfully they resisted the temptation to start Barry. I can see Nicky and Sean swapping positions, Sean's been doing well at wing forward and Nicky usually does better in the corner.
I think there will be a lot of position swapping amongst the forwards. I'm sure Cullinane will see some action too. In small doses anyway.
It's a strong enough looking team on paper but its all down to how they play on the day, they were desperate against Sligo, another performance like that and it's curtains for us. Mayo's subs bench is a lot more formidable looking than ours. The only forward cover we have are Bane and Fiachra, Mattie Clancy I presume is still injured.
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 16, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 16, 2009, 09:21:40 PM
Galway team to play Mayo
Adrian Faherty
Niall Coyne
Finian Hanley
Damien Burke
Gareth Bradshaw
Diarmuid Blake
Gary Sice
Paul Conroy
Niall Coleman
Joe Bergin
Padraig Joyce
Nicky Joyce
Sean Armstrong
Michael Meehan
Declan Meehan
WTF?! Deccie Meehan at corner forward?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who reacted that way to the lineup!
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 16, 2009, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 16, 2009, 08:17:24 PM
Is there an option to buy the seat next to a season ticket seat this for this game?
I have a season ticket but have not received an e-mail this week, unless it was sent after I left work today.
There was but the closing time for this extra ticket purchase was 1.59pm this afternoon I believe.
I got the email about this on tuesday evening.
Balls, I never got that e-mail.
Thanks anyway, I'll give them a call in the morning and see what the crack is.
With the Galway team picked I've tried to predict the individual battles and who'll win them. Maigh Eo abu!
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/line-ups-point-to-a-tight-game/
But screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:16:54 AM
But screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
I don't normally agree with Rosnarun but I think he is spot on here, if Mayo start with any sort of coherence, they will win with a lot to spare. I normally predict a very close one, but not this year, I just have that feeling.
Mayo 4-15
Galway 0-09
I believe the only Gale blowing across Pearse this Sunday is the brewing storm in the hearts of the Gaels from the Heather County. A storm is ready to carry Mayo all the way to victory this year. Lads we have a good team, a damn good team, they should fear no-one, Heron-Chokers, Rebels, men from the Kingdom, Dubs nor Redhanders or anybody else. Lads we are getting stronger & stronger everyone else are weaking IMO. We got the talent, we got the players, we got the manager, we got the fans, we getting the tactics right, now lets go and get bloody Sam.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on July 17, 2009, 04:17:17 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:16:54 AM
But screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
I don't normally agree with Rosnarun but I think he is spot on here, if Mayo start with any sort of coherence, they will win with a lot to spare. I normally predict a very close one, but not this year, I just have that feeling.
Mayo 4-15
Galway 0-09
I believe the only Gale blowing across Pearse this Sunday is the brewing storm in the hearts of the Gaels from the Heather County. A storm is ready to carry Mayo all the way to victory this year. Lads we have a good team, a damn good team, they should fear no-one, Heron-Chokers, Rebels, men from the Kingdom, Dubs nor Redhanders or anybody else. Lads we are getting stronger & stronger everyone else are weaking IMO. We got the talent, we got the players, we got the manager, we got the fans, we getting the tactics right, now lets go and get bloody Sam.
It's normally at least mid-August before we start losing the run of ourselves, and now after one game where we hockey a poor Rossie side we have lads thinking we can bate the Herrons out the gate. This is a good Mayo team, but the best Galway teams have never beaten the worst Mayo teams by more than a few points and vice-versa. I think Mayo are capable of winning, but if they do I don't believe it will be by a cricket score, it hardly ever is against this shower, and vice-versa.
QuoteBut screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
I don't normally agree with Rosnarun but I think he is spot on here, if Mayo start with any sort of coherence, they will win with a lot to spare. I normally predict a very close one, but not this year, I just have that feeling.
Mayo 4-15
Galway 0-09
I believe the only Gale blowing across Pearse this Sunday is the brewing storm in the hearts of the Gaels from the Heather County. A storm is ready to carry Mayo all the way to victory this year. Lads we have a good team, a damn good team, they should fear no-one, Heron-Chokers, Rebels, men from the Kingdom, Dubs nor Redhanders or anybody else. Lads we are getting stronger & stronger everyone else are weaking IMO. We got the talent, we got the players, we got the manager, we got the fans, we getting the tactics right, now lets go and get bloody Sam.
:o :o :D
Long night was it?
Lads. Stuck abroad for the match. Is there any hope of seeing the match what with Setanta gone bust? Immigration is tough.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on July 17, 2009, 04:17:17 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:16:54 AM
But screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
I don't normally agree with Rosnarun but I think he is spot on here, if Mayo start with any sort of coherence, they will win with a lot to spare. I normally predict a very close one, but not this year, I just have that feeling.
Mayo 4-15
Galway 0-09
I believe the only Gale blowing across Pearse this Sunday is the brewing storm in the hearts of the Gaels from the Heather County. A storm is ready to carry Mayo all the way to victory this year. Lads we have a good team, a damn good team, they should fear no-one, Heron-Chokers, Rebels, men from the Kingdom, Dubs nor Redhanders or anybody else. Lads we are getting stronger & stronger everyone else are weaking IMO. We got the talent, we got the players, we got the manager, we got the fans, we getting the tactics right, now lets go and get bloody Sam.
After so much heartbreak in All Ireland finals I cannot but admire the optimism/delusion of some Mayo followers, if that 4-15 to 0-09 result does come to pass then the hyperbole of not fearing Kerry, Dublin or Tyrone will be warranted I'll grant you, but an 18 point hammering of us in our back yard? Get real, Mayo are not that good, ye hammered the worst Roscommon team I ever saw take the field, fair play to ye but in terms of this match and the All Ireland series I don't see ye dishing out any more hammerings to any team.
Mayo could very well win this match but I'd see it as a tight game either way if midfield can be broken even for both teams, if Mayo get totally on top here then we could ship a bad beating alright but not by 18 points!
In terms of going forward, neither team have the capacity to win it out on the 3rd Sunday in September IMHO, I don't see an All Ireland winning team from the pick of Galway and Mayo to be honest.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on July 17, 2009, 04:17:17 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:16:54 AM
But screw your courage to the sticking-place, and we'll not fail
i hope the platers have more stomach for battle than some of the mayo posters here. as ive stated before there is no logical reasonGalway should even be close to mayo sunday P Joyce is fading badly no midfield , dodgy goalie with discontent in the camp,
I cat see this being even close
Mayo by 10
mayo 2-14
galway 0-10
I don't normally agree with Rosnarun but I think he is spot on here, if Mayo start with any sort of coherence, they will win with a lot to spare. I normally predict a very close one, but not this year, I just have that feeling.
Mayo 4-15
Galway 0-09
I believe the only Gale blowing across Pearse this Sunday is the brewing storm in the hearts of the Gaels from the Heather County. A storm is ready to carry Mayo all the way to victory this year. Lads we have a good team, a damn good team, they should fear no-one, Heron-Chokers, Rebels, men from the Kingdom, Dubs nor Redhanders or anybody else. Lads we are getting stronger & stronger everyone else are weaking IMO. We got the talent, we got the players, we got the manager, we got the fans, we getting the tactics right, now lets go and get bloody Sam.
Whoa there boy, that's crazy talk. Mayo can only win by four/five at a push. Galway could also win by that margin. Its more likely to be only two points between the sides. Mayo to win but we'll have nothing easy.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 16, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on July 16, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 16, 2009, 09:21:40 PM
Galway team to play Mayo
Adrian Faherty
Niall Coyne
Finian Hanley
Damien Burke
Gareth Bradshaw
Diarmuid Blake
Gary Sice
Paul Conroy
Niall Coleman
Joe Bergin
Padraig Joyce
Nicky Joyce
Sean Armstrong
Michael Meehan
Declan Meehan
WTF?! Deccie Meehan at corner forward?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who reacted that way to the lineup!
WTF is right. Big surprise that. I guess he will have a roaming brief. Its been a long time since Deccie played corner forward!
No complaints with the rest of the rest of the team though. Coleman will be fine; the sight of a green and red jersey seems to inspire him ;) We dont have may forward options on the bench but we knew that already. As usual, there will be feck all between the sides BUT Galway by 2.
My prediction was not made after a heavy night on the beer, as when I wrote this here in Australia it was the middle of the day & if you wish to blame 2 double expressos for my exuburance then fair enough. I did take a goal from Galway & give it to Mayo when I re-edited my post, i.e. 12 point win becomes 18. My massive win comes from my belief that goals & lots of goals is the difference between how this Mayo will win than previous ones. If it does come to a 1 or 2 point game it will hinge on the normal toss of the coin of most Mayo games, but I base my belief in a win on the fact that with a great start Mayo could have a 2 or 3 goal advantage on Galway very early on & that we will just push on from there. If these goals don't come I think my prediction may not alone be along way off, but I might have even chosen the wrong victor.
But I do believe Mayo will win & win well & yes I have seen Galway & Mayo hammer each other. Johnos first year we where hockied out the gate & a few years back we went 6 down after 15 minutes but won at a canter 6 points up.
d meehan at corner forward is an obvious sign of fear and it looks lke sammon is going to flood the midfield area to curb mayos presumed dominance. could be lots of breaking ball and who ever wins that battle wil probably win the match. could suit mayo that. as i think what mayo would fear most is a shoot out again galways huge scoring threat.
not like them to run for cover
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 17, 2009, 10:40:05 AM
WTF is right. Big surprise that. I guess he will have a roaming brief. Its been a long time since Deccie played corner forward!
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
d meehan at corner forward is an obvious sign of fear and it looks lke sammon is going to flood the midfield area to curb mayos presumed dominance.
eh....
Am I the only one that thinks Declan Meehan will be brought all the way back as a sweeper to play in front of Barry Moran and Aidan O Shea? If thats the way to play against the Donaghy threat that Kerry have then its the way to play against Mayo's twin towers.
Its negative but could be a master stroke.
If our FullForward line is contained where will the scores come from?
I certainly cant see Galway using Declan Meehan around midfield. There wont be that much breaking ball.
But every second ball breaks off O Shea and Moran so its obvious to play a sweeper in front of them... is it not?
Ah, the Mayo posters are making us proud again. No-one like ourselves for the oul' rush of blood. When did we ever hammer Galway in Galway lads? Jaysus. ::)
People talking about goals - Galway got two early ones in the last two years, and they have never had a problem scoring goals against Mayo. So even if Mayo score a couple, they'll most likely be cancelled out at the other end.
We have no McGarrity, Galway have better forwards. Both sets of backs are decent, and Galway always do enough in midfield against us to give their forwards the necessary ammo. So imho it comes down to a couple of simple things;
- Will Johnno ensure that Joyce is man-marked?
- Will he make sure that Mayo hit the full-forward line as early as possible with fast ball instead of the usual Mayo thing of walking it up the field?
- Will he psyche Mayo up to get physical with Galway for a change?
If he takes care of these three, I can see Mayo winning (narrowly). Otherwise it's Galway's day.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 17, 2009, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 17, 2009, 10:40:05 AM
WTF is right. Big surprise that. I guess he will have a roaming brief. Its been a long time since Deccie played corner forward!
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
d meehan at corner forward is an obvious sign of fear and it looks lke sammon is going to flood the midfield area to curb mayos presumed dominance.
eh....
Am I the only one that thinks Declan Meehan will be brought all the way back as a sweeper to play in front of Barry Moran and Aidan O Shea? If thats the way to play against the Donaghy threat that Kerry have then its the way to play against Mayo's twin towers.
Its negative but could be a master stroke.
If our FullForward line is contained where will the scores come from?
I certainly cant see Galway using Declan Meehan around midfield. There wont be that much breaking ball.
But every second ball breaks off O Shea and Moran so its obvious to play a sweeper in front of them... is it not?
The big surprise is that Deccie Meehan is actually starting to be honest AS. Seeing him with the 15 jersey just adds to the shock factor. He will more than likely be stationed around the middle to sweep up breaking ball (there will be a lot of this IMO) or as you say in front of the FB line. I dont mind where he is so long as he is effective. He was poor v Sligo and i just dont think he has the legs anymore for a pacy wing forward.
your right of course . mayo godhelp us. dont know what came over me. but sure ell go along anyway
I think this role that everyone has assigned to declan meehan based on his jersey number would be more suited to Bradshaw. As meehan is getting on, he has the greater engine, the height to compete for the ball in the middle and able to take a score. I would use Bradshaw in this roving role. I'm not sure if this is what Sammon has in mind?
Whatever it is a Connacht final is not the time for experimenting. We have known that midfield is a problem area all year, we should know what we are doing to limit the damage that could be caused there by now.
That said this will probably be a close thing, a goal or two at critical moments will decide it either way.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 17, 2009, 12:12:53 PM
The big surprise is that Deccie Meehan is actually starting to be honest AS. Seeing him with the 15 jersey just adds to the shock factor. He will more than likely be stationed around the middle to sweep up breaking ball (there will be a lot of this IMO) or as you say in front of the FB line. I dont mind where he is so long as he is effective. He was poor v Sligo and i just dont think he has the legs anymore for a pacy wing forward.
In these cases its often the ould dog for the hard road and the pup for the boreen! :P
In either role, playing as a sweeper infront of the full back line or an extra man getting breaks around the middle he will have freedom and wont need to be worried about pacy wing forwards as thats your wing backs problem.
If he does drift out or back there, then that leaves us with an extra man in our own full back line. Higgins will probably take meehan and O Malley will probably take Armstrong (or vice versa, either way...) leaving Cafferkey free.
Personally I would leave Cafferky where he is, minding the house and sweeping. It would leave the Galway Full Forward line 2 Vs 3 defenders. It will dampen their main scoring threats as I cant see where else the scores are coming from.
All that said, its shaping up to be a fairly negative sort of game. I originally expected a high scoring scenario but now im not so sure.
Yeah Abbeysider, between nerves, weather and tactics it does look like it could be tough, tight and low-scoring, That might suit us.
Suprised that Galway were so up front in naming Meehan in the corner but it certainly creates an awful lot of what-ifs for the Mayo management to consider. The tactics envisaged are the kind that created havoc for opposition teams when Meehan and Armstrong were at their best at under 21 level.
Quote from: myball22 on July 17, 2009, 12:39:18 PM
I think this role that everyone has assigned to declan meehan based on his jersey number would be more suited to Bradshaw. As meehan is getting on, he has the greater engine, the height to compete for the ball in the middle and able to take a score. I would use Bradshaw in this roving role. I'm not sure if this is what Sammon has in mind?
Whatever it is a Connacht final is not the time for experimenting. We have known that midfield is a problem area all year, we should know what we are doing to limit the damage that could be caused there by now.
That said this will probably be a close thing, a goal or two at critical moments will decide it either way.
Brehney imn the paper tipped bradshaw as a future solution to galways midfield is he good/big enough or is it a case of an underrated player becoming overrated
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: myball22 on July 17, 2009, 12:39:18 PM
I think this role that everyone has assigned to declan meehan based on his jersey number would be more suited to Bradshaw. As meehan is getting on, he has the greater engine, the height to compete for the ball in the middle and able to take a score. I would use Bradshaw in this roving role. I'm not sure if this is what Sammon has in mind?
Whatever it is a Connacht final is not the time for experimenting. We have known that midfield is a problem area all year, we should know what we are doing to limit the damage that could be caused there by now.
That said this will probably be a close thing, a goal or two at critical moments will decide it either way.
Brehney imn the paper tipped bradshaw as a future solution to galways midfield is he good/big enough or is it a case of an underrated player becoming overrated
I've heard talk about Bradshaw in midfield before. Think Ray Silke had Bradshaw there in that team Silke named at the start of the season.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
Brehney imn the paper tipped bradshaw as a future solution to galways midfield is he good/big enough or is it a case of an underrated player becoming overrated
I saw Bradshaw play for Moycullen at mid-field 2 years ago and he looked county class then let alone now.
(we played them in the Intermediate Connaught Final)
He is a fantastic footballer, fielder and athlete. I was actually surprised to see him line out in the backs for Galway, especially in the corner for Galway as he is so explosive further out the field. Its only a matter of time before we see him mid-field for Galway IMO.
Here's John Maughan's column from the Mayo Advertiser: http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/14726
Maughan's quite bullish about Mayo's prospects due to the problems Galway have in midfield and what he describes as a "deterioration" in them since half-way through the league.
I must say my head is wrecked with this Declan Meehan thing. It's either the last sting of a dying wasp or else a masterstroke that will make the journey home from Salthill especially horrendous if Mayo lose.
McGarrity's return to the fold could swing the game our way
Mayo Advertiser, July 17, 2009.
Mayo Advertiser
I was delighted to hear on Saturday evening that Ronan McGarrity had participated in the A v B game in McHale Park, it was good news for all concerned and his inclusion in the Mayo team announced on Wednesday night gives the county and the player himself a great boost going into this weekend's Connacht final. Normally before matches of this nature, I'm fairly confident in predicting in advance who will win, but this time I'm finding it difficult. Mayo's performances in the championship to date have been hugely impressive albeit against weak opposition. And on the other hand Galway have been deteriorating since half time in the league game in Tuam, when Mayo came back in the second half in impressive style to win the game. Since half time in that game, every time Galway have togged out they have had question marks hanging over them. In Sligo they were very lucky and had to use six different combinations at midfield to see off the Yeats county men who, if they had a bit more conviction when goal chances were presented, could have sent Liam Sammon's side into the qualifiers at that stage.
O'Malley will add some stealth to defence
I'm delighted to see Liam O'Malley selected as he had a fantastic season before picking up an injury, it's a great credit to him to be able to return to training, not having lost any of his dash and appetite for the game. He brings a steely cut to the defence and definitely won't be found wanting in the heat of championship action on Sunday.
Ultimately the game will be decided as games invariably are on how the midfield battle goes, there is no doubt that Mayo have an edge here as Galway have struggled with a variety of combinations over the last six or seven games. If Mayo win primary possession here, I genuinely feel Mayo will prevail. The best line on the Mayo team in my opinion is the half forward line, where Pat Harte, Alan Dillon, and Trevor Mortimer have been playing superb football, a lot will depend on the inside forward line. And if Aidan O'Shea can display the kind of form he has displayed since he burst on to the team, I expect it will be we who will bring the Nestor Cup back to Mayo for the first time since 2006.
Conor's absence again surprises me
I am surprised that Conor Mortimer hasn't made the team, I believe he has been in brilliant form in recent trial matches and I would have expected him to have got a starting berth on the full forward line on Sunday. As we have seen in the championship so far, particular last Sunday in the Lenister final, the strength of your bench is hugely important these days as it's now a 20 man game not a 15. I have absolutely no doubt that Mortimer will play on Sunday and he might be just the man to spring into the action to tip the balance in Mayo's favour.
Another intriguing battle should be that of Padraic Joyce and Trevor Howley on the 40. Joyce is undeniably the leader of the gang and it was he in particular who grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck in Marchaivez Park in the last 10 minutes to turn the tide in favour of the tribesmen. He is a hugely influential figure in the Galway set up and I feel if Howley can put the shackles on him Galway might just be found wanting. It's absolutely crucial that Howley sits on Joyce and denies him possession for the full 70 minutes, as I recall an occasion in McHale Park a few years ago when Padraic Joyce hardly touched the ball for 69 minutes he proved his class when it came to the crunch in the dying minutes of that game, kicking the winning score. This will be an intriguing battle and if Joyce can be nullified for the full 70 minutes it will go a long way to Mayo coming out on top in Pearse Stadium on Sunday evening.
A great evening of celebrations from a great day
Last Friday night as part of the 125 celebrations in Clare a sub committee had organised a challenge game between the 1992 Munster champions and a local selection in Michael Cusack Park in Carron in north Clare. It's 17 years since I managed that bunch of lads, walking into the dressing room was as if I had never really left them. Fourteen of the championship winning side had turned up to participate in the festivities. A number of players from the Kerry team that played in that Munster final had also made the trip to mark this historic occasion in the history of Clare football and the history of the association. A night of fun and story telling ensued as we remembered that great summer of 1992 when the minnows of Clare beat the aristocrats of the game.
Some great games last weekend which were badly needed
We needed a couple of serious performances last weekend to give the football championship the kick of life it needed after a number of poor games and indifferent performances from sides all over the country. Saturday evening's encounter between Derry and Monaghan was a breath of fresh air, especially after these two sides seven weeks previously engaged in a war of attrition, which was full of negativity and ugliness that would have had most neutral reaching for the remote control. It's amazing when two sides arrive to engage in playing football the way it should be played, what can happen. The Bradleys proved their class, with Paddy in particular stepping up to the plate after some quarters had questioned his class after being shut out by Tyrone to dramatic effect in the Ulster championship. It looks like it could be the end of the road for this particular Monaghan side, as I feel they have gone to the well once too often and have come up short again. I would be very surprised if Banty stays in charge there, as a new voice may be required to bring the Farney men on again next year. Later on Saturday I watched Kerry in Pearse Park Longford, this was to be their first opportunity for redemption, everything was going brilliantly in that first half when they were winning by nine points, with Kieran Donaghy proving his importance to Jack O'Connor's side. Unfortunately Donaghy took a serious injury minutes into the second half and Kerry's performance thereafter became completely disjointed.
The Lenister final was a cracking game of football, arguably one of the best we have witnessed. The Dubs were pushed all the way by a very good and well organised Kildare side, but proved they are a serious side and Pat Gilroy had a huge smile of contentment after the game, as he now realises more than most that his side are well capable of landing the big one. His side needed a serious test of their character and they got that on Sunday from Kildare. They're a serious outfit and Bernard Brogan delivered a superb performance at full forward. The Dubs this year have real depth in their squad and in fairness to Gilroy he proved his ability as a manager by making astute substitutions and changes at vital times.
Whether D Meehan plays around the middle or as a sweeper either way for us it's good news imo. We've being worrying about the two attacking wing backs in the side. With Meehan (presumabely) leaving his No. 15 post it should give us extra cover for the two boys.
TBH I see Cafferkey picking up M Meehan he done well on him in the league, even in the 1st half when under serious pressure. That could leave L O'Malley watching the other corner and K. Higgings with a little bit more of a free role.
QuoteBrehney imn the paper tipped bradshaw as a future solution to galways midfield is he good/big enough or is it a case of an underrated player becoming overrated
In my opinion, he is not big enough for midfield. In the same way as Michael Donnellan wasnt big enough for midfiled. He has all the attributies to be a good midfielder if he was a bit taller.
That midfield of Coleman / Conroy looks extremely light.
Declan Meehan at no. 15 is a surprise, but while Matt Clancy might have wore no. 15, He would have operated out around the middle. So in that sense, Meehan seems like an obvious replacement.
Quote from: kevmy on July 17, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Whether D Meehan plays around the middle or as a sweeper either way for us it's good news imo. We've being worrying about the two attacking wing backs in the side. With Meehan (presumabely) leaving his No. 15 post it should give us extra cover for the two boys.
TBH I see Cafferkey picking up M Meehan he done well on him in the league, even in the 1st half when under serious pressure. That could leave L O'Malley watching the other corner and K. Higgings with a little bit more of a free role.
Kevmy
Michael Meehan scored 0-6 (3f) against Mayo in the league. That was on a wet winter day.
I would put trust O Malley or Higgins. Preferably Higgins.
Keith Higgins held Meehan scoreless from play (0-2f) in the Connaught final '08
Horses for courses
Edit:
Im just after going through the 2007 report and Keith Higgins also kept Meehan completely scoreless during that game in Salthill.
It would be crazy to put anyone else on him.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 17, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 17, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Whether D Meehan plays around the middle or as a sweeper either way for us it's good news imo. We've being worrying about the two attacking wing backs in the side. With Meehan (presumabely) leaving his No. 15 post it should give us extra cover for the two boys.
TBH I see Cafferkey picking up M Meehan he done well on him in the league, even in the 1st half when under serious pressure. That could leave L O'Malley watching the other corner and K. Higgings with a little bit more of a free role.
Kevmy
Michael Meehan scored 0-6 (3f) against Mayo in the league. That was on a wet winter day.
I would put trust O Malley or Higgins. Preferably Higgins.
Keith Higgins held Meehan scoreless from play (0-2f) in the Connaught final '08
Horses for courses
Edit:
Im just after going through the 2007 report and Keith Higgins also kept Meehan completely scoreless during that game in Salthill.
It would be crazy to put anyone else on him.
In fairness to Meehan that was when he was played at corner-forward. He's far better at full-forward. Although if there is only himself and Armstrong up front I don't think set positions will mean all that much and I think you'll see the likes of PJ and Nicky drifting into the full-forward line at times while the others move out.
I have also heard that Deccie will not be playing the role expected of him.
Maybe it is for D Meehan to slot into wing back and Bradshaw to go to midfield.
This game is tight. Probably too hard to call. Mindframe of the teams going into it will be the clincher.
Galway got more from the prep games and Galway beat Cork by 6 points in a friendly lately. Roscommon were useless and Mayo dispatched them as such.
Galway looked bad against Sligo but how good were they. They beat a side which was within 2 points of Limerick who should of beaten Cork.
So alot of strings for Galway.. Mayo is showing little except hammerng a team which a good intermediate club would give a run too..
The beauty of a Connaght Final... Anything could happen and even if one is All-Ireland champions and the other in Div 3 nothing is certain with these protagonists to our play!
As GBB says Meehan wasn't at full forward, if he gets decent ball I'd have no fear of him against any of the Mayo backs.
Ja and Savo had their last good day out playing with the county that day in 2007 as well, how times change!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 17, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
In fairness to Meehan that was when he was played at corner-forward. He's far better at full-forward.
Ok but as man marking goes, corner or otherwise Keith has a good record and always picked up Meehan.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 17, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
Although if there is only himself and Armstrong up front I don't think set positions will mean all that much and I think you'll see the likes of PJ and Nicky drifting into the full-forward line at times while the others move out.
And Bergan id assume. We have a relatively small full back line that could be exposed if Bergan drifts inside.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 17, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
I have also heard that Deccie will not be playing the role expected of him.
What do you meant the role expected of him?
One thing that isnt expected is him to wait in corner forward. Anything else is possible.
Declan Meehan as one of the forwards should allow us to have Gardiner or preferably Moran not marking a Galway forward.
That alone makes me much happier.
Both Higgins and O'Malley have done well on Meehan in the past but both have had less than ideal preparation for this, particularly O'Malley who has a fitness test on Sunday morning. Only those who have seen Higgins in training will know how he is travelling so if he is flying I'd put him on Meehan otherwise I'd start Caff leaving Higgins on Armstrong.
Liam O'Malley could sweep or push out to his club position in the half backs and let Moran or Gardiner go after Declan Meehan.
See? Much better.
I predict a win by 2 or 3 points to us but I would rather be 4 or more clear entering the last 5 mins. Too many bad days in the old Pearse Stadium to be comfortable with a 2 point lead with 2 minutes to go.
I'd go for a Mayo victory purely on the fact that they are due a win. The championship tale of this decade is Galway five wins, Mayo two wins.
2008 Connacht SFC F Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Connacht SFC QF Galway 2-10 Mayo 0-9
2006 Connacht SFC F Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-8
2005 Connacht SFC F Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-8
2004 Connacht SFC SF Mayo 0-18 Galway 1-9
2003 Connacht SFC F Galway 1-14 Mayo 0-13
2002 Connacht SFC SF Galway 0-12 Mayo 1-7
In trying to analyse Galway-Mayo matches you are at nothing most of the time, regardless of form or the respective quality of the teams these games always seem to take on a life of their own.
Best of luck to the Galway players and management, come 5.30 on Sunday hopefully it'll be a Connacht 3 in a row for Galway over Mayo!
QuoteI have also heard that Deccie will not be playing the role expected of him.
It is intriguing, He could end up playing anywhere. For example, you could put him no. 2, put Coyne no. 5 and Bradshaw as a sweeper. Dont think this will happen, just pointing out that there are so many possibilities of where he could play.
Then again, maybe we will all be shocked and he will actually play at corner forward!
Will he play at all? I don't see any reason to start him and if he does start I expect him to be taken off.
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2009, 05:12:44 PM
Will he play at all? I don't see any reason to start him and if he does start I expect him to be taken off.
I actually think Mattie Clancy or Fiachra Breathnach would probably have taken that position but both of them are injured. He could have played Cormac Bane but Bane is a poacher and I think he wanted a workhorse up amongst the forwards. Not that he'll spend much time up front.
Well, AFA my optimism is rising again. Mayo to win on a scoreline of 1-17 to 2-12.
On a more serious note, the talk of Galway forwards swapping and switching method usually doesn't work. Let's hope Mayo win and I've a gut feeling at the bottom of my stomach that we will do the business on Sunday.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 17, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
I'd go for a Mayo victory purely on the fact that they are due a win. The championship tale of this decade is Galway five wins, Mayo two wins.
2008 Connacht SFC F Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Connacht SFC QF Galway 2-10 Mayo 0-9
2006 Connacht SFC F Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-8
2005 Connacht SFC F Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-8
2004 Connacht SFC SF Mayo 0-18 Galway 1-9
2003 Connacht SFC F Galway 1-14 Mayo 0-13
2002 Connacht SFC SF Galway 0-12 Mayo 1-7
In trying to analyse Galway-Mayo matches you are at nothing most of the time, regardless of form or the respective quality of the teams these games always seem to take on a life of their own.
Best of luck to the Galway players and management, come 5.30 on Sunday hopefully it'll be a Connacht 3 in a row for Galway over Mayo!
That does have me worried for some reason. Galway win on Sunday and they will end the decade with 6 championship wins over Mayo to Mayo's 2 over Galway. That is very close to domination which would be very unusual for this fixture. It would make you think that Mayo are due one just to even up the ledger a bit for the noughties.
Granted no logic in that at all but it's the kind of thing that tends to happen in these games.
Bloody hell, yere pessimism knows no abounds!! ;D
Galway s domination in the noughties is something that most Mayo posters dont want to even contemplate. The two finals against the head in Mchale park in 02 and 08 the critical ones[ 1 point losses both]. Both were lost by Mayo as distinct from won by Galway if you know what I mean.
Anyway I fear the trend is going to continue on Sunday. The comments on here are almost identical to a year ago - a lot of people were going on about Mayo s midfield superiority then too.
Galway have about ten of last years team still there including the six defenders en masse. Only Keith Higgins of the Mayo backs remain. We ve a new midfield partnership as well and a brand new ff line for championship. Only the hf line remains a year later. Incredible really in a managers third year we have such a different team again and I m not having a cut here either. I cant think of any other county does this? It s a reflection on the amount of quality options we have I suppose we can do this. But its still a leap of faith that it will all come together in a final against an experienced team of quality players.
It will take an awful lot to go right for us to win it. If we explode and players have stormers all over the pitch I could see us win it well. But is that likely to happen? Its too much of a leap of faith for me. Maybe but Galway would seem to guarantee more[ a bit like Ray Silke's uncle's regular boozers analogy]. That s why I think its more likely Galway to win a close enough game, while I feel that if any team runs away with it it will be us. However I think its unlikely we ll win a close one away.
Hope I m wrong but Galway by 2.
Galway 2 - 13 Mayo 3- 8.
Forget this Galway/Mayo games are always close stuff – games are close when the teams are fairly evenly matched. Galway are a long way behind us and this will be shown on Sunday. Forget last year this year we have a far more balanced team that is much better prepared and will not be asleep for the first 15 mins. Galway on the other hand have gone backwards, their failure to reach the league semi-finals has damaged them.
Expect a final score of something like 2-15 to 0-9 with most Galway fans gone home 15 mins before the end and those remaining comforting themselves with the fact that they are watching the most likely AI champs.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 17, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
Forget this Galway/Mayo games are always close stuff – games are close when the teams are fairly evenly matched. Galway are a long way behind us and this will be shown on Sunday. Forget last year this year we have a far more balanced team that is much better prepared and will not be asleep for the first 15 mins. Galway on the other hand have gone backwards, their failure to reach the league semi-finals has damaged them.
Expect a final score of something like 2-15 to 0-9 with most Galway fans gone home 15 mins before the end and those remaining comforting themselves with the fact that they are watching the most likely AI champs.
Mick a stór. I dunno. You better be right.
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2009, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 17, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
Forget this Galway/Mayo games are always close stuff – games are close when the teams are fairly evenly matched. Galway are a long way behind us and this will be shown on Sunday. Forget last year this year we have a far more balanced team that is much better prepared and will not be asleep for the first 15 mins. Galway on the other hand have gone backwards, their failure to reach the league semi-finals has damaged them.
Expect a final score of something like 2-15 to 0-9 with most Galway fans gone home 15 mins before the end and those remaining comforting themselves with the fact that they are watching the most likely AI champs.
Mick a stór. I dunno. You better be right.
Mick's been showing up the week of every Mayo championship game prediciting massive wins for years now - the last one was the first time he was right. :)
I think theres a little too much been read into the whole Mayo have a stronger mid-field thing. On paper we have better footballers but Galways aren't that far behind, it just seems as though they are struggling to find the correct pair. Bergin and Bradshaw would be a formidable pair if they both hit form. And anyway nowadays the contributions of third midfielders and the half back/forward lines is just as crucial I'd say. I still think we'll win this area, but not to the degree that it decides the outcome of the game...
dont think so no one would have been willing to put their house on who either of the galway midfielders would be it could have been 2 from about 7. and the discision would have been based more on who failed there before rather than who excelled.
if it were me id have Begin and cullinane , they are the only too with maybe lydon that look like denuine midfieders
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 17, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 17, 2009, 02:23:21 PM
Whether D Meehan plays around the middle or as a sweeper either way for us it's good news imo. We've being worrying about the two attacking wing backs in the side. With Meehan (presumabely) leaving his No. 15 post it should give us extra cover for the two boys.
TBH I see Cafferkey picking up M Meehan he done well on him in the league, even in the 1st half when under serious pressure. That could leave L O'Malley watching the other corner and K. Higgings with a little bit more of a free role.
Kevmy
Michael Meehan scored 0-6 (3f) against Mayo in the league. That was on a wet winter day.
I would put trust O Malley or Higgins. Preferably Higgins.
Keith Higgins held Meehan scoreless from play (0-2f) in the Connaught final '08
Horses for courses
Edit:
Im just after going through the 2007 report and Keith Higgins also kept Meehan completely scoreless during that game in Salthill.
It would be crazy to put anyone else on him.
While I'm sure Higgins could do a job on Meehan I think Caff is up to the job as well. Anyone who was at the league game say that in the first half we were under tremondous pressure and that Meehan had be flying before that. He got two of those points from play in the first 10 mins. For the rest of the game Caff done very well on Meehan. Also Meehan had a comparatively poor year by his standards in 2007 so won't read an awful lot into it.
I don't think Mayo Mick is actually from Mayo at all.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 18, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
I don't think Mayo Mick is actually from Mayo at all.
Agreed, he is too woolly.
Definitely a Galway man if I ever saw one.
Its probably Ray Silke.
Just heard one of the Mayo players[starter] father passed away suddenly today. Anybody else hear about it? Young man. Terrible news.
Wont say who it is yet because there are a few club men on here may not have heard yet.
Quote from: moysider on July 18, 2009, 10:09:17 PM
Just heard one of the Mayo players[starter] passed away suddenly today. Anybody else hear about it? Young man. Terrible news.
Jesus. Hope it's not true. That would be tragic. Surely the game wouldn't go ahead in such circumstances.
See PM Moysider.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2009, 10:16:46 PM
See PM Moysider.
Just PM you there muppet with clarification.
Hearing now its a Grandfather. In which case the player involved could start maybe? We ll find out the real story soon I suppose.
Looks like now its def grandfather.
Quote from: moysider on July 18, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
Looks like now its def grandfather.
RIP whoever it is.
P.S. never become a newsreader.
Yeah. Jesus. Would nt mind I usually review before I post.
Unless bad luck intervenes, I expect Mayo to come out winners today. If it all boils down to what happens on the field –determination to win, football ability and present form, Mayo should get by.
It's the type of game where bit players grow into stars in their own right. I remember this happening to Alan Dillon in the game against the same opposition back in '06. If it was practical to draw some sort of a form line based on previous encounters, I feel Mayo have a positive edge.
In Salthill '07 especially, and to a lesser extent last year, Mayo let Galway build up commanding leads before taking the fight to them. In both games, it was a case of too little, too late but I maintain that with a bit of better leadership on the field and a greater degree of tactical awareness on the sideline, we could have done better in both instances.
Today is what counts and here I think both our team and manager have improved immeasurably. Roscommon have proved in the backdoor games to be a much better side than they looked against Mayo.
Did they really have a bad hair day or were Mayo just far too strong for them?
Maybe the truth is that it was a bit of both but Mayo played with more purpose and concentration than I have seen in a long time. I had thought I'd never see that in my time again.
The fact that O'Mahony is fielding an almost unaltered line up from the Roscommon match is encouraging as he is giving the players the chance to settle in and concentrate on their own games, without keeping an eye at what is going on over on the sidelines.
O'Mahony seems to be more energetic and tuned in to the on-field action that I have seen from him in all games prior to the Roscommon one. If he keeps this standard up, as I expect him to do, it will be a major plus.
All in all, my €100 is behind the bar in my local along with two €50s from a pair of shams from Tuam and I'm confident I'll be pocketing the contents of the pint glass later this afternoon.
To hell with the so-called 'Hoodoo,' it's P. Joyce I'm afraid of! Galway are still Galway and we need to keep the throttle down to the final whistle.
So; here's to Johnno and may he prove that I've been spouting rubbish all along. ;D
BTW; Good luck and a safe journey to all who are on the road for the game.
QuoteThe fact that O'Mahony is fielding an almost unaltered line up from the Roscommon match is encouraging as he is giving the players the chance to settle in and concentrate on their own games, without keeping an eye at what is going on over on the sidelines.
Well, he cant really drop anyone after the Roscommon match so I wouldnt really read too much into this.
I fancy Galway, with Hanley having an absolute stromer on O'Shea
There seems to be an awful lot of confirdence (Maybe even cockiness) down around Mayo at the moment.
Time to bring ye back to earth!
any links lads?
is this being streamed anywhere? im outside ireland.
http://www.gaalive.net/channel/main02.html
great stuff
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 19, 2009, 03:56:32 PM
http://www.gaalive.net/channel/main02.html
Great job. Thanks
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 19, 2009, 03:56:32 PM
http://www.gaalive.net/channel/main02.html
Great, thanks!
Was coming in to do a load of f**king because I couldnt find a link!
That link poor for anyone else? Yesterdays link for the Kerry game was great quality.
Mayo 1-5 Galway 0-3
can anyone post the bench for both teams?
Quote from: PatDaly on July 19, 2009, 04:42:00 PM
PM me for a great link but do NOT post it when I give it you
Just sent PM Pat...thx
Some goal by Meehan. Goal in the last minute to draw it!
About 10 steps taken by Meehan for that goal! ;D
Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooo..
Some finish, you have to feel for galway though, deserved a draw imo
I was delighted Meehan scored the goal as it was poetic justice after Conor Mortimers pr*ck acting trying to run down the clock.
That said, the better team won and I think Mayo are much more equipped to challenge the big guns than Galway.
Mayo nearly shot themselves in the foot with that possesion game. Mc Garrity was my MOTM he had some game for a man that broke his jaw 2 weeks ago.
What was Bergin playing at? What a stupid foul.
I thought Mayo deserved it overall. But was very disappointed with their attitude for the last 20 minutes, Let me hear no more shit about Galway being cynical. The last 20 minutes was the most cynical display I have seen of any team in a while! Just pulling & dragging down Galway forwards around the 45. Interestingly, if this was during the league, How many of these fouls would have been avoided with the new rules?
For Galway, we didnt deserve a draw to be honest. In the forwards, Nicky was head & shoulders above everyone. Breathnach offered nothing (Really, How many times does he have to have a bad game?). Meehan & P.Joyce weren't brilliant but did contribute. Armstrong played too deep.
I would have thought throwing Bergin in full forward might have been an idea.
Mayo deserved it. Galway were shocking though. If you were O Mahoney though you'd be concerned how Galway even got within an asses roar of Mayo today.
Galway were dreadful- couldn't handpass the ball even properly. They actually did quite well at midfield but still turned in an inept performance.
Mayo played well but still not convinced they could win an All-ireland. Defence was very good and the like sof O Shea did very well . Couldn't give any praise to that knob jockey Conor Mortimer so I won't after his ludrcrious goal celebration. A complete asshole.
After watching Tyrone today - I think the other counties are wasting their time anyway.
QuoteCouldn't give any praise to that knob jockey Conor Mortimer so I won't after his ludrcrious goal celebration
What did his T-Shirt say?
QuoteAfter watching Tyrone today - I think the other counties are wasting their time anyway.
Not so sure that Tyrone would have found it as easy against Mayo or Galway as they did against Antrim
Eugene McGee: "Bergin improved when he went to centre field".
Did he not spend the whole match playing there? He certainly started there
Quote from: mckieran on July 19, 2009, 06:01:20 PM
QuoteCouldn't give any praise to that knob jockey Conor Mortimer so I won't after his ludrcrious goal celebration
What did his T-Shirt say?
QuoteAfter watching Tyrone today - I think the other counties are wasting their time anyway.
Not so sure that Tyrone would have found it as easy against Mayo or Galway as they did against Antrim
Neither of those teams would beat Tyrone. Nobody else will either. Galway were so bad today its not funny. Not sure tactically the galway management are astute enough.
I mean what as asshole he really is.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2009, 05:58:54 PM
Mayo deserved it. Galway were shocking though. If you were O Mahoney though you'd be concerned how Galway even got within an asses roar of Mayo today.
Galway were dreadful- couldn't handpass the ball even properly. They actually did quite well at midfield but still turned in an inept performance.
Mayo played well but still not convinced they could win an All-ireland. Defence was very good and the like sof O Shea did very well . Couldn't give any praise to that knob jockey Conor Mortimer so I won't after his ludrcrious goal celebration. A complete asshole.
After watching Tyrone today - I think the other counties are wasting their time anyway.
Against Antrim?
I'd wait till Tyrone play someone half decent before I decide everyone else is wasting their time.
Well done to Mayo...
They were cynical at towards the end and where almost caught doing it.
The Ref had a shocker. Continuously allowed balls to be picked off the ground and never cut out the endless pulling and dragging going on. Mayo's first goal was a square ball, Second one started with an obvious pick off the ground and Meehan probably took too many steps...
Galway can't play this bad again hopefully. Need and easy draw...
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on July 19, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2009, 06:12:03 PM
I mean what as asshole he really is.
His head is up his arse and he can only score from placed balls don't know what the fuss is about Trevor is twice the player.
Cop on lads. He scored 1-2 after coming on at half time and we only got 1-3 in the second half. He got 1-1 from play and he finished top scorer in the championship one year. Took a good pressure free like he's done numerous times for us with a ridiculous amount of booing and catcalling directed at him. Whatever your personal feelings towards the man have a bit of respect for the players on the pitch and lay off anonymous slating of the guy.
On the game itself we almost let it slip when we should have wrapped it up. We went too defensive after the 2nd goal. Johnno brought on Ronaldson (who did what he was asked to do well) and played him as a sweeper in front of the FB line like he did a few times in the league. I don't think it worked then and I don't think it worked today. Robbed us of an out ball up front and sent an overly negative message to the players.
Hopefully we will continue to improve and McGarrity and Trevor's injury free run of good game continue.
Nope Kev I've no respect for him. That was all done for effect again today underlining what a complete and utter dickhead he is. Couldn't just score the goal and get on with it. Didn't see Michael Meehan or Barry moran doing the same. Tosser in my view. He nearly cost Mayo the game trickacting on the sideline with the ball for the Meehan goal at the end.
Aidan O Shea- now there's someone with real ability.
You'd think losing his starting position he'd cop himself on a small bit but ..... !
Young O'Shea will torture some back lines before he's finished, class act.
Mayo were def the better team but i must say I was delighted to see Meehan getting that goal
from the two of them fecking around on the side line...couldn't have happened a nicer fella 8)
There was nothing wrong with Barry Morans goal.
That said, I dunno how he gets a game other than the fact that he's big.
Don't think I've ever seen him have a good championship game for Mayo.
Will Galway call foul over Mayo's point which put them 3 - 2 up- how the double bounce was missed by John Bannon and the TV3 commentators is beyond me- Best team did win though
Just back in, and just about got my breath back after those last five minutes. Looking back at it in the car going home, I don't know how we managed to only win by one, yet when Galway got the goal I would have taken a draw and back to Castlebar next weekend at that stage.
I really didn't like the Ronaldson move by O'Mahoney in the second half, it was overly defensive and that's not how we play. It didn't work either. However, I thought Conor and Donal Vaughan both did well when they came on. Don't know what Conor was at with his goal celebration, but he certainly did the business in the second half (except for the **** acting that led to the Galway goal).
Surprisingly enough Galway held their own in midfield, but Padraig Joyces best days are behind him and he was in Howley's pocket all afternoon.
Had a perfect view of Gardiner's point at the end from the terrace, it was a great score against the angle for a right footer and into a gale force cross wind. Looked like it was just wide at first, but he'd judged it beautifully and the wind took it over.
As for John Bannon...I couldn't believe the Galway supporters texting in to Radio 1 moaning about him on the way home, it felt like he was determined to make it close and he seemed to give them a free every time they were touched. Done Heaney going down the wing for taking 5 steps and them let Meehan take 10 for the goal.
The big plus side for Mayo is that on another day we'd have won by 5 or 6, and I just think we're a bit ahead of them at the moment. It didn't look like we would be back in March. Galway aren't out yet and I would have no fear taking them on in Croker later on if it came to it. But we can't play them in the quarters so it probably won't happen.
Also we now avoid Dublin, Cork and Tyrone in the quarters, and that's a big bonus.
So anyway, well done to Johnno (he's safe enough now for another year or two) and the team. I can't wait to get back to Croker.
PS. Fair play to the Galway fans around us who were very sporting throughout and particularly at the end when they lost. One or two of our other local rivals could learn a bit from them.
QuoteWill Galway call foul over Mayo's point which put them 3 - 2 up- how the double bounce was missed by John Bannon and the TV3 commentators is beyond me- Best team did win though
Couldnt believe they missed that on TV3 as well. But as it was so early in the match, I dont think it affected the final result.
QuoteAs for John Bannon...I couldn't believe the Galway supporters texting in to Radio 1 moaning about him on the way home, it felt like he was determined to make it close and he seemed to give them a free every time they were touched. Done Heaney going down the wing for taking 5 steps and them let Meehan take 10 for the goal.
Wouldnt agree with that at all. I can only think of one instance where Galway were awarded a soft free (Nicky Joyce was the one who was 'fouled'). Other than that, I thought Mayo's backs pulled the Galway player down every time they crossed the 45. Didnt think that the ref was biassed towards any team really.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2009, 07:46:50 PM
Nope Kev I've no respect for him. That was all done for effect again today underlining what a complete and utter d**khead he is. Couldn't just score the goal and get on with it. Didn't see Michael Meehan or Barry moran doing the same. t**ser in my view. He nearly cost Mayo the game trickacting on the sideline with the ball for the Meehan goal at the end.
Aidan O Shea- now there's someone with real ability.
Fair enough a lot of people don't like him but still don't think 'fans' should boo and catcall at any player. And I can understand why he rubs people up the wrong way and he does have flaws as a footballer. However I don't get how some people don't rate him as a footballer, he's played well over a good number of years now and scored relatively freely and consistently.
I thought Bannon was poor all round. Missed a lot of picks straight of the ground and gave frees for very little. Couldn't see where half of those were, once the hand went in at all he whistled. Although I agree that Mayo gave away a lot of frees, a bit more cynical than normal, not necessarily a bad thing in some ways
Well, midfield as you say was dominated by Galway. But that was all Joe Bergin, he had a stormer. However, I don't think this team is capable of going any further. I mean to throw away a 7 point lead, bringing on a substitute forward and deploying him as an extra defender we deserved those agonising last few minutes I have to say. However, Galway had bad wides (something Mayo were well used to down through the years) and that could have cost them the match. Agree with CK regarding Joyce. Howley was brilliant on him, even though Joyce did lay off some passes, as he'd do against anyone who is on him. Had we lost it at the end though, that f**k acting by Conor and McGarrity (I think it was) would be awful. Fair play to Peadar Gardiner though, he took it well. My own man of the match would have been Andy Moran as he did an awful lot of work in the no 7 position. Dillon played well as always. Galway will have a lot to do from being elated with the goal to being in the back-door half a minute later. Too true kevmy, I started shouting at a couple of Galway lads behind me when they were booing him before he scored the free, and I again turned around to the same people with a large grin on my face. ;D
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QuoteCouldn't give any praise to that knob jockey Conor Mortimer so I won't after his ludrcrious goal celebration
What did his T-Shirt say?
QuoteAfter watching Tyrone today - I think the other counties are wasting their time anyway.
Not so sure that Tyrone would have found it as easy against Mayo or Galway as they did against Antrim
Neither of those teams would beat Tyrone. Nobody else will either. Galway were so bad today its not funny. Not sure tactically the galway management are astute enough.
I don't know about that. I think the Western team ares kind of coming in under the radar this year, with a lot of hype around Tyrone, Cork and of course Dublin. I think Mayo could be threat a this year. Galway might fancy Kerry in the draw, I'd like to see that one again.
Just home. Jacked tired so not going to go into too much detail now. What can you say really? Mayo took two of their goal chances and we only took one of ours. On such small margins are these games decided. If one team takes their chances they deserve to win. End of story. Although a draw wouldn't have been unjust either. We were just too loose with our passing all afternoon. Probably 50% of Mayo's scores came from a situation where a Galway player had control of the ball and he ended up giving a loose handpass or kickpass away. Shot ourselves in the foot really but in fairness to Mayo they took the oppertunities presented to them.
Mayo were in a great position really after they got their first goal as it gave them a 5 point lead and they could funnel numbers back after that and sit on it and pick off the odd point on the counterattack. The only quibble I have with John Bannon is that there was constant persistent fouling in midfield (mainly by Mayo it has to be said as they were sitting on a lead for most of the game) and he seemed content to just give free after free rather than issue any yellow cards to put an end to it. It really ruined the flow of the game. I would blame Bannon for that more than either of the two teams to be honest.
We actually did fairly well in midfield surprisingly but Meehan and Nicky didn't really have enough support up front. Armstrong played well but he was playing miles back the field and PJ had one of his quieter games in this fixture. Coyne went off injured and Sammon put Bradshaw back into the corner. Why not put Kieran Fitz in for Coyne and leave Bradshaw where he was so he could influence the game. He was wasted in the corner minding the house. At least the lads showed some heart in coming from 7 points down to draw level. Silly needless free given away then at the end but them's the breaks when it's tight like that.
Congrats to Mayo and best of luck from here on in.
Think Galway need a soft draw next week.
Tactically why make 3 changes when the could have made a straight swop? Bradshaw moving to corner back removed one of Galway's playmakers to a position where he couldn't be an influence on the game. Crazy stuff.
So you wont be too happy to hear they got Kerry
just back from the match thought near the end that we had thrown away the 7 point lead (not good for the heart) but fair play to peadar he steeped up when needed. like some of the lads stated went we far too defensive early in the 2nd half and just invited galway on to us . galway handed us some soft scores conor morts one for e.g i think it was bradshaw that had the sidleine ball and he kicked a bad backpass which conor intercepted and took the score on such small things games are won. anyway its nice to win in salthill and the galway fans were very gracious in defeat good luck to them in the qualifiers. jesus salthill is a pain in the hole to get out off .
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Does that say" RIP Micheal Jackson" ... I feel embarrassed.
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Does that say" RIP Micheal Jackson" ... I feel embarrassed.
Has to go down as the strangest goal celebration in the history of the GAA.
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Go bhfóire Dia orainn.
QuoteI would blame Bannon for that more than either of the two teams to be honest.
What could Bannon do? A mayo player drags a galway player to the ground. He gives them a yellow card. Then a different player will do it next time. Dont see what he could about it to be honest. He issued yellow cards when they were required.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2009, 09:00:02 PM
Think Galway need a soft draw next week.
Tactically why make 3 changes when the could have made a straight swop? Bradshaw moving to corner back removed one of Galway's playmakers to a position where he couldn't be an influence on the game. Crazy stuff.
I couldn't figure that out either.
When I saw Kieran Fitzgerald warming up I thought it made perfect sense to bring him on to mark O'Shea.
Then Breathnach came on instead.
Bradshaw has scored nearly every time I've seen him playing for Galway.
Why give him a man-marking job?
QuoteQuote from: INDIANA on Today at 09:00:02 PM
Think Galway need a soft draw next week.
Tactically why make 3 changes when the could have made a straight swop? Bradshaw moving to corner back removed one of Galway's playmakers to a position where he couldn't be an influence on the game. Crazy stuff.
I couldn't figure that out either.
When I saw Kieran Fitzgerald warming up I thought it made perfect sense to bring him on to mark O'Shea.
Then Breathnach came on instead.
Bradshaw has scored nearly every time I've seen him playing for Galway.
Why give him a man-marking job?
Sammon adores Breathnach and may have been worried that he wouldnt get the chance to introduce him later!
It is very wprrying that Fitzgerald seemed to be actually running on when Sammon changed his mind, dont like this kind of indecisiveness
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May as well add my tuppence worth.
I thought overall Mayo were probably 6-7 points better, if you pick out mayo players who palyed well ur prob talking about 14/19, galway prob 7-8, and yet still we only won by a point.
Thought Caff & Dillon were excellent, didn;t see howley for the match and that says spades, kept PJ in his pocket.
Thought Kilcoyne was harshly done by, the twin towers doesn;t work with CM, not quick enough of body or mind. Barry moran while he didn;t do a lot scared the bejaysus out of galway and got the goal.
Thought LOM should have gone after 20 minutes, nicky joyce was by far their best forward but vaughan quietened him in the second half.
Hard to tell on the square ball but it would have been very harsh.
Heaney defo bounced twice and over carried but that was evened up in the 2nd half by that ridiculous free.
On the fouling, i'd agree that the fouling may not be a bad thing but the problem was it was too close to the goal, should have been another 5 yards further back.
I thought Bannon was brutal, initialing i thought just brutal against mayo, the heaney one, alan dillon being pulled for over carrying when i think NJ had his 2 hands over his head pulling him down, the facts do justify this, 19 frees to 35
I think some of the galway lads on their high horses shoudl look back at the amount fouling they did on our half back lines, stopping quick ball
Thought Heaney was very lucky to stay on the pitch for slapping bergin but he did deserve it, higgins hsould have gone for the last foul and bergin definitely for their last foul
Have to say i was delighted for the eijit dancing on the pitch after the goal :D
Anyway a famous victory, galway lads took it well i any i was talking to would have said we deserved it
The gom from kerry who rang in from kerry to radio 1 should never be allowed into a match again, calling PJ a disgrace, one of the finest footballers ever for galway
Thought Coyne may not have been injured, he was getting roasted and as ne galway lad said he may have done it to get off cause sammon would never have taken him off. Surprised on having armstrong so deep,any reasons? ANd disappointed with bradshaw.
JOM did well, kilcoyne was harsh, hes prob used to it by now, LOM should have gone earlier. But over all got it right, ronaldson steadied the ship when we needed it.
Very harsh on CM, i'm no fan but he scored 1-2, the t-shirt thing was obviously a bet, a bit of a laugh and a good sign of team morale. His interview after was gas "its not all about me" :D
And the pricking about at the end was started by the ballina lads, it worked for them in '05, ad would have worked for us if it wasn;t for trying it in a 2m space, u need wide open spaces. As one Galway lad said they'd love to have someone like mort, teh cockiness to stand up and solo like that and that that was the problem with mayo that we knock the flair. He scored 1-2, credit where credit is due
Thought Sammon was excellent in his post match interview the man has real class, thought it last year when he was a winner and even more so now.
Best of luck against donegal, theres no reason ye cant be back in the 1/4s, and we'd be delighted, ye could do real damage and we'd have no fear of meeting you again ;)
Interesting stats. 35 free kicks to 19, that says it all, would never have been a 1 point game but for Bannon.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 19, 2009, 11:37:41 PM
Interesting stats. 35 free kicks to 19, that says it all, would never have been a 1 point game but for Bannon.
Well there were a lot of free-kicks because there was a lot of fouling.
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Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 19, 2009, 11:37:41 PM
Interesting stats. 35 free kicks to 19, that says it all, would never have been a 1 point game but for Bannon.
Well there were a lot of free-kicks because there was a lot of fouling.
Would you have said the fouling was almost 2 to 1?
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Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 19, 2009, 11:37:41 PM
Interesting stats. 35 free kicks to 19, that says it all, would never have been a 1 point game but for Bannon.
Well there were a lot of free-kicks because there was a lot of fouling.
Would you have said the fouling was almost 2 to 1?
Well Mayo had built up a nice lead after the first goal and I think were content to foul out the field rather than let Galway in for goals. Hence the lopsided final foul count. I actually don't have a problem with this as you do what you have to in order to win. The game did become littered with stoppages though which kind of ruined the flow of it especially in the 2nd half.
Congrats to Mayo, a deserved win. We were haunted to be level in injury time. O'Mahoney nearly blew it for Mayo with the Ronaldson tactic and as for Salmon's few changes for Coynes injury ???
Roll on next week,still plenty of football to be played.
Mayo were well worth their win today although I was far more prepared with 5 minutes left for the 5 or 6 point beating we should have got rather than being sickened with Gardiners winner right after Mike Meehan had stuck the equalizer, there's definitely more about Mayo than Galway this year and although I don't see an All Ireland in that Mayo squad the very best of luck to ye in the rest of the championship.
I'm far too tired now from the drive back to Dublin (Pearse was some hoor to get out of after the match) to go into any proper analysis but a few points:
Several of the Mayo scores were from poor Galway mistakes and being honest there was a lot of Galway players that didn't turn up today, some of them weren't let play well by the Mayo players in fairness either but there was a lot more cut from the Mayo players and they seemed sharper and better focused. Joe Bergin and Nicky Joyce can hold their heads up high though, I thought both had very good games.
Bannon was hopeless for both teams, how the man can't spot a double hop or the numerous unpunished pick ups that went on I don't know.
On the lopsided free kick count, Mayo fouled anything that moved from the halfway line up in the 2nd half and it worked well for them.
I didn't get the Breathnach substitution at all - why make several changes to the team to accommodate what looked a straight swap. The look on Keiran Fitzgerald's face when he was told to put the training top back on would indicate he thought likewise.
Donegal must be doing something right if they beat Derry in extra time last night and I don't see Galway improving enough in the next 6 days to reverse the 2003 result in Castlebar, we're not going well this year and haven't been showing any form since H/T in the Mayo league game all truth told.
have to say also the winner showed character i haven't usually seen from mayo teams, i thought galway were sure to win the kick out & score another point.
QuoteI thought Bannon was brutal, initialing i thought just brutal against mayo, the heaney one, alan dillon being pulled for over carrying when i think NJ had his 2 hands over his head pulling him down, the facts do justify this, 19 frees to 35
It always bugs me when people say that a ref favored one team over another and they quote the number of frees. The reason that Galway got more frees is because Mayo fouled more. Galway should probably have fouled more out the field (For example, Sean Armstrong had a prefect chance to foul further up the pitch before Bergin committed the last foul). The stats tell you which team fouled more, they do not tell you which team the ref favoured!
The attitude of Mayo disappointed me in the last 20 minutes because why would a team stop doing what was working so well for them? Why not keep attacking? I think the real reason that it was a 1 point game is because of Mayo and thats it. It wasnt because of Galway or it wasnt beaiuse of Bannon. It was because Mayo dramatically changed their tactics and let Gawlay back into it.
QuoteJOM did well, kilcoyne was harsh, hes prob used to it by now, LOM should have gone earlier. But over all got it right, ronaldson steadied the ship when we needed it.
It said on TV that he was injured, hamstring strain?
Quotehave to say also the winner showed character i haven't usually seen from mayo teams, i thought galway were sure to win the kick out & score another point.
Very quick thinking of Gardiner too. He was standing right beside where the ball was placed and made an excellent run to the right
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There must be a mutual agreement between Mayo and Galway that means nobody can win by more than 1 point. It was heart in the mouth stuff (again) there at the end. I thought it was Roscommon '01 all over again when Meehan scored the goal. CMort gave the ball away in almost the exact same spot as Nestor did that day. It's clear that we don't have enough practice at killing teams off, it's as if we are always going to be the underdog team.
People are going on about how it was stupid to hold onto the ball near the end but it was the right idea, just poorly executed. We should have done it nearer to the Galway goalposts and drawn the foul like any good team would do.
Kilcoyne must have been injured to be taken off, does anyone know what the story here was. he was being cleaned by Burke anyway but should have taken his goal chance. Who won the ball from the kick-out after the Galway goal? These things ya can't see on tele.
Did TV3 have their cameras located above in Dublin? It was desperate how poor the camera positioning was. You couldn't see what was happening at the far end of the pitch at all and they didn't allow for the glare of the sun at al and the camera man mustn't know where the zoom button wasl. I don't know if they can't afford the technology or what but RTE coverage is far better. Maybe I'm talkin pure sh!t and RTE and TV3 use the same cameras but thats neither here nor there. Anyway...
Andy Moran had a good game, he made a block and a big hit in the first half that set the Mayo defences stall out. It's what we've been missing all these years, somebody to give a good hard (fair) shoulder and level the oncoming forward, it's beautiful to watch.
We needed this win more than Galway did. Can't wait to see who we play next!
Some of JOMs subs were questionable and midfield should have been changed earlier. We won't be able to get away with this in the next game.
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Does that say" RIP Micheal Jackson" ... I feel embarrassed.
Haha "Mich
eál" Jackson. Fear na gaeltachta a beadh?
Great to win a Connacht title again, nice to do it in Galway as well.
We won it despite our best efforts to lose it, bringing on Ronaldson to play as an extra sweeper when we had the game in the bag with 10 minutes to go might seem like a sensible thing to do but it nearly cost us the match. It invited them to come at us and they did - hopefully that lesson has been learned.
Fair play to Peadar Gardiner, showed great composure to kick that score with all the pressure on him, some man.
In the end of the days lads, Mayo are Connacht Champions, maybe not be 18pts but Jazus 1 point is all that it takes. I you win then how the feck can the Managers tatics be wrong, if we won an FBD match or the All-Ireland Final, 1 point is all we need to win by. I for one am very happy after yesterdays performance. Even if I too would have liked us to attack a little more in the second half, but it was against a strong breeze.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on July 20, 2009, 05:19:16 AM
In the end of the days lads, Mayo are Connacht Champions, maybe not be 18pts but Jazus 1 point is all that it takes. I you win then how the feck can the Managers tatics be wrong, if we won an FBD match or the All-Ireland Final, 1 point is all we need to win by. I for one am very happy after yesterdays performance. Even if I too would have liked us to attack a little more in the second half, but it was against a strong breeze.
We won - you're right, I'm not trying to be overly negative. But Galway outscored us by something like 1-4 to 0-1 in the last 10 minutes, you wouldn't get away with that craic against the likes of Tyrone.
Nothing wrong with highlighting where improvements can be made ahead of the next match
There was a very strong breeze so all you boys complaining about being outscored in the last 10 minutes need to think about it. Galway were given a fair blizting in the latter stages of the second half. Ronaldson played well and it was much more difficult to play the long ball in the second half.
Great win. All the better that Galway thought they had the draw ;D
What a mighty day! No need for negatives today, enjoy this one, because these are the big ones, the famous ones, right up there with 2006 v Dublin, 1999 v Galway, 1996 v Kerry etc. that you have to savour. For the first time since 1967 Mayo have lifted the Nestor Cup in Salthill!
I'm absolutely knackered but the pain is pleasant - will contribute more later.
We were down and out with the Galway goal but the guts of Andy Moran to not stand up and wait for the replay and to seize the day shows a new maturity in this Mayo team. Gardiner was alert to receive the ball from a quick free - most of the time we are the victim of this kind of quick thinking. The two wing-men were far and above anyone on the pitch for me. I have been very critical of Gardiner here before but yesterday (and before any glorious point) was his finest day in a Mayo jersey - his defensive play and leadership was exemplary.
John O'Mahony has also been blasted by myself and others but this year he has stepped up to the mark. The Nestor Cup gives him a mandate for the job he is doing. We're probably a bit of being good enough to win Sam this year but with many of the young lads now on board, and more lining up a bright new era looks to have begun.
I'll never understand why teams resort to an overtly defensive system when they are dominating the game.
Momentum is a huge thing in gaelic football.
When you have it, keep it.
A few non-fans of Konor Mortimer have given him a bit of stick on here. OK you can't really argue with 1-2 when only playing one half of the game but he does bring most of the criticism onto himself. I am not a fan at all. The T-shirt thing was just stupid altogether, the losing the ball for the Galway goal was also poor but there were 3 other Mayo players at the same rubbish in that move.
But what really annoyed me about him yesterday was when Meehan was taking a long range free in the 2nd half, Mortimer ran to his own 45 and urged the Mayo fans behind the goals to jeer and try to put Meehan off. A very unsporting gesture and I was just delighted that Meehan nailed the free-kick and ignored the jeers. This jeering is creeping more and more into the game but I don't think too many Mayo fans would have bothered if it hadn't been for konor.
Quote from: Barney on July 20, 2009, 09:08:41 AM
What a mighty day! No need for negatives today, enjoy this one, because these are the big ones, the famous ones, right up there with 2006 v Dublin, 1999 v Galway, 1996 v Kerry etc. that you have to savour. For the first time since 1967 Mayo have lifted the Nestor Cup in Salthill!
They actually lifted the Nestor Cup that year in Tuam Barney, beating Leitrim in the final so you'd have to go back even further again for our last Final win in Salthill.
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Quote from: Barney on July 20, 2009, 09:08:41 AM
What a mighty day! No need for negatives today, enjoy this one, because these are the big ones, the famous ones, right up there with 2006 v Dublin, 1999 v Galway, 1996 v Kerry etc. that you have to savour. For the first time since 1967 Mayo have lifted the Nestor Cup in Salthill!
They actually lifted the Nestor Cup that year in Tuam Barney, beating Leitrim in the final so you'd have to go back even further again for our last Final win in Salthill.
I'm sure I heard somebody say that we have never won a Connacht Final in Salthill before.
But how many connacht finals were actually played in Pearse before this decade? Hardly any. I certainly dont recall seeing a Galway team playing a championship match in Pearse before this decade.
I think the ref was a bit harsh on us in the second half but I also think we need to look at the quality of our tackling. There was a strong breeze blowing and our approach was correct - spoiling and cynicism were needed to take us over the line.
Thought the Galway support was very small yesterday.
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Does that say" RIP Micheal Jackson" ... I feel embarrassed.
Haha "Micheál" Jackson. Fear na gaeltachta a beadh?
No fada on his jersey (clear picture of it on front page of Irish Times sports section), so I'd say its just a case of his inability to spell "Michael".
a great win.
i think we saw a new string to mayos bow today in that they proved they didnt need75% of midfield to win the game.i thought barry moran had a great day in doing the job he was asked to do. he not a complete footballer but a nightmare for full backs.
all the usual suspects did well gardiner moran howley dilllion and esp heany what an appitite that man has.
o mahoney did well. my biggest complaint of hid tenure was thee amount of games we hould have have won but didnt. ee seenm to have over ccome thhat for noe
ill refrain today from making any constuctive critism as barney says this was one to be enjoyed
what ros i don't believe it, not even a little dig at JOM :o]
no not today. read the last bit again
Great game for neutral to be at. Galway despite been out of it for long periods had their chances and
kicked it away in 1st few mins of 2nd half. Poor shot selection cost them dearly
Mayo were the better team overall for whom Dillon McGarrity and Andy Moran were excellent.
Mayo were cynical from the off. They dragged down Galway in midfield to prevent the quick attacks.
The ref could have produced the book alot earlier to cut it out but didnt.
I dont blame them one bit though. At times they have been accused of playing the game too nobel.
Successful teams have to resort to it and its what Mayo have lacked.
If it helps them land Sam they wont give a damn what the purists think.
Agree with the all so far, a great win in the lion's den. One thing i will take from yesterdays win is there are now men all over the pitch who are willing to be leaders when called on. There is no one man who all the players are looking to pass to to get the score. 10 different players scoring in a championship, when did that last happen. The performances of Dillon, Howley, Vaughan (When he came on), Andy Moran, Mc Garrity, Harte, Trevor. I'm sure i left plenty out. Our bench is strong and each sub that comes on plays to be on the first 15 the next day out. As for Conor, i am not his biggest fan by any stretch, Leave him on the bench and bring him on if needed. All the shit that comes with him we don't need. But if he comes on and scores 1-2 he can't be ignored. At the moment we sholudn't fear anyone thats left in the championship. Yesterday was a defining win, let there be no doubt.
Quote from: Rossie11 on July 20, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
Great game for neutral to be at. Galway despite been out of it for long periods had their chances and
kicked it away in 1st few mins of 2nd half. Poor shot selection cost them dearly
Mayo were the better team overall for whom Dillon McGarrity and Andy Moran were excellent.
Mayo were cynical from the off. They dragged down Galway in midfield to prevent the quick attacks.
The ref could have produced the book alot earlier to cut it out but didnt.
I dont blame them one bit though. At times they have been accused of playing the game too nobel.
Successful teams have to resort to it and its what Mayo have lacked.
If it helps them land Sam they wont give a damn what the purists think.
Not too often I'd agree with a Rossie but although I wouldn't go as far as to say we kicked it away in the 1st few minutes of the second half it was certainly one of the worst periods in the game for Galway, it took a full ten minutes to get a score with that breeze, while trying to pull back a big h/t deficit that's criminal.
Mayo lads are giving out reams regarding the free count but the fact is that they were tactically spoiling all day long, however they won the match and that's all that matters.
With a bit more distance today and the head a bit clearer we can properly look at performance and not at the pulsating victory it was.
Overall I thought we done very well defensively, the only forward to give us real trouble was Nicky Joyce who took O'Malley for 4 points from play in the 1st half. Keith quietened him down when he was switched over.
Half back line was immense Gardiner showed his experience and kept a cool head, Howley done really well on Joyce and Andy Moran answered a lot of critics
Galway flooded midfield and won a lot of breaking ball but i think it's fair to say both Heaney and McG played well.
All the forwards scored in the first half which I don't think I've ever seen from a Mayo team (along with both midfielders).
We also scored 2-11 of 2-12 from play which is a really good sign - I think it was similar against Ros as well
Only thing I would worry about is corner back - Vaughan could have played himself in there and the fact that we went so defensive (which came from the line when they brought on Ronaldson - even though he done well) in the 2nd half. We should have kept O'Sé FF and the 2 Morts off him with Ronaldson foraging around midfield.
your agree with a sheepshagger when he slagging off the team that has just beaten you. that mighty big of you. the galway boys were falling like flies out here and bannon bought it all. an acheivement of sorts
You're the worst kind of one eyed clown rosnarun that all counties are unfortunate to have a few of, if you can't objectively analyse a match and the tactics that Mayo brought to it then that's your problem, I don't see where the slagging of Mayo is in any of this, ye did what ye had to do to win and best of luck to ye.
Just watching the sunday game again...
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1052479
Meehan took 10 steps before shooting at goal at the end.
ref was a joke, nearly cost us the game.
Quote from: MadMayo on July 20, 2009, 01:33:51 PM
Just watching the sunday game again...
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1052479
Meehan took 10 steps before shooting at goal at the end.
ref was a joke, nearly cost us the game.
It wouldn't be the ref i'd be blaming if Mayo had lost the game. What about the bollixing around in the half forward line that gave away possession in the first place. That was the joke, however we got away with it and thats what counts
QuoteJust watching the sunday game again...
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1052479
Meehan took 10 steps before shooting at goal at the end.
ref was a joke, nearly cost us the game.
But Wasnt there a foul in the lead up to one of Mayo's goals as well?
Also, the reason Meehan took so many steps is because there wwas a Mayo back hanging off him. If Meehan had gone down, it may have been a penalty.
Mayo deserved to win but if they had not won, it would have been nobody's fault but their own!
I don't think you could pull Meehan up for steps.
I think a ref has to use instinct in making a decision on these things - to me the goal was pure class, and shows what a great footballer Meehan is.
Cafferkey misjudged the high ball, Meehan was through, probably fouled and given the advantage before a great finish.
To do that at such a crucial juncture in a game when you have had a frustrating day.... one of the goals of the season in my book.
Quote from: mckieran on July 20, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
QuoteJust watching the sunday game again...
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1052479
Meehan took 10 steps before shooting at goal at the end.
ref was a joke, nearly cost us the game.
But Wasnt there a foul in the lead up to one of Mayo's goals as well?
Also, the reason Meehan took so many steps is because there wwas a Mayo back hanging off him. If Meehan had gone down, it may have been a penalty.
Mayo deserved to win but if they had not won, it would have been nobody's fault but their own!
I'd be inclined to agree with you here. We won so anything else is history at this stage and endless recriminations are of no use to anyone. I feel we should have won by more but that is irrelevant now.
There are some points to be kept in mind although. Galway, to their credit, never give up and have to be watched right up to the final whistle. We have found that out many times to our cost and could have been caught once again yesterday. A positive note is that Mayo did not lose the plot when Galway scored the last goal and somehow managed to hit a winner-a bit like the Irish team against Wales in the recent Triple Crown decider.
Of course it feels mighty to have won but we have a total of 43 Connachts and counting. (I lost the count a long time ago put that's the tally according to the TV3 commentary.) and precious little joy after 39 of them so I hope the obvious weaknesses that were there to be seen are attended to.
I few lost it would be own fault and it would be pointless to blame John Bannon.
The ratio of free went 35/19 against us and even if Bannon was wearing a maroon jersey, that figure tells its story.
He wasn't all one-sided either. Remember the 'shock' on Pee Joyce's face when he was adjudged to have pulled his marker to the ground. That's an art perfected by Connoreen in days gone by. Joyce is also a past master at engineering soft frees ands he got caught yesterday. The number of yellow cards handed out to our backs in the second half is a real worry. I don't see a point in blaming Bannon for any of them. Even if he was harsh in giving even one of them out, a lot of our lads left themselves in serious danger of getting a red and that could have spelt disaster. Even if every Mayo lad felt Bannon was acting the maggot, they should have copped on that he would come down hard on them for what he regarded as yellow card offences. That's my only serious concern about yesterday's game. For once, we can look at the positives and hope we can learn from the negatives.
John O'Mahony was my MOTM; he has started to impose his presence on the sideline and I think he will sort out the tendency to foul amongst the backs; they were collectively very young and inexperienced going into yesterday's game and I think they will benefit immensely from the experience.
Great result for Mayo. Plenty of mistakes, the old tendency to hang on for the win rather than driving on reared its head again - but it was fantastic and refreshing to see that in injury time, when the game had to be won all over again, it was Mayo that stood up, won the kickout and drove the winner into the Salthill gale.
J O'M is shaping his own team at last, and thankfully they look like a far more physical, abrasive unit than the '04/'06 vintage. Also there's no reliance on a McD/Mortimer for scores, and for now it looks like there's a collective will to take responsibility for scores, tackling etc., especially among the forward line.
O'Mahony seems to be bringing a cynical edge to the team too - I thought a key moment yesterday was Keith Higgins dragging Bergin to the ground a la Canavan on the Gooch in the AIF of 2005.
Don't know how we'll do from here on, but Mayo have a solid platform to build on now. They shouldn't fear anybody.
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Does that say" RIP Micheal Jackson" ... I feel embarrassed.
Haha "Micheál" Jackson. Fear na gaeltachta a beadh?
No fada on his jersey (clear picture of it on front page of Irish Times sports section), so I'd say its just a case of his inability to spell "Michael".
From the Irish times ;
"Mortimer lifted his Mayo shirt above his head to reveal an RIP Michael Jackson written on his shirt – he had a similar tribute stitched into his boots."
Fair play to Mortimer for having a sense of humour. The GAA is only the better for a chap having a bit of craic on the big occasion...... in my humble opinion..
One to savour and for once we did nt get punished. I thought it was Jerry Lohan and 2001 all over again. I had money on the draw and I was never so happy to lose money in my life. Any analysis can wait as far as I m concerned.
Just back in the capital. Great game and great craic in Galway afterwards as always.
Mayo hadn't been tested this year but came through a really tough examination yesterday with shining colours. Liam O'Malley and Ronan McGarrity started the game like two men who hadn't done much training recently but Ronan did get into it much more in the second half.
Galway were over reliant on a few quality players such as Nicky Joyce and Joe Bergin and didn't play like a team while Mayo didn't really have a standout player for me but played very well as a team.
No point in a big analysis but I felt O'Mahony knows more than anyone the Galway purple patches usually revolve around P Joyce and at 7 points up he made the decision to double team him. Hard to know if it was worth it as losing Moran up front led to the likes of Conor Mort having to come out the field looking for the ball which is never a good idea.
As for Bannon and the fouling, Mayo need to be a lot cuter and can look to the Maroon players for guidance in that regard. Our fouls tended to be obvious and when Bannon started the 2nd half giving Galway 3 straight soft frees we should have copped on to the fact that he was going to blow us out of it. Galway on the other hand did their fouling off the ball and Blake was the best example of this. Pat Harte was constantly held, wrestled to the ground or whatever it took, but before the ball arrived. That is why he didn't really feature and Blake is too clever for the likes of Bannon. Not having a go at Blake either, I wish we had him. We need to be cuter in that regard.
I have been critical of our two wing backs who often don't defend as defenders normally do. They are both more likely to try and shoulder an opponent who has the ball rather than trying to tackle him which is a risky strategy. But yesterday they were excellent.
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As for Bannon and the fouling, Mayo need to be a lot cuter and can look to the Maroon players for guidance in that regard. Our fouls tended to be obvious and when Bannon started the 2nd half giving Galway 3 straight soft frees we should have copped on to the fact that he was going to blow us out of it. .
John Bannon being nice to Galway :o :o :o
Never ;D
He's some maroon lover alright.
Good game for the neutral and what a finish.
But had it ended in a draw the Mayo lads who fiddled and faddled out in their right half forward area which led to t he Galway goal s hould be shot.
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A few non-fans of Konor Mortimer have given him a bit of stick on here. OK you can't really argue with 1-2 when only playing one half of the game but he does bring most of the criticism onto himself. I am not a fan at all. The T-shirt thing was just stupid altogether, the losing the ball for the Galway goal was also poor but there were 3 other Mayo players at the same rubbish in that move.
But what really annoyed me about him yesterday was when Meehan was taking a long range free in the 2nd half, Mortimer ran to his own 45 and urged the Mayo fans behind the goals to jeer and try to put Meehan off. A very unsporting gesture and I was just delighted that Meehan nailed the free-kick and ignored the jeers. This jeering is creeping more and more into the game but I don't think too many Mayo fans would have bothered if it hadn't been for konor.
What about all the Galway buckos booing and jeering
Conor yesterday as well??
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A few non-fans of Konor Mortimer have given him a bit of stick on here. OK you can't really argue with 1-2 when only playing one half of the game but he does bring most of the criticism onto himself. I am not a fan at all. The T-shirt thing was just stupid altogether, the losing the ball for the Galway goal was also poor but there were 3 other Mayo players at the same rubbish in that move.
But what really annoyed me about him yesterday was when Meehan was taking a long range free in the 2nd half, Mortimer ran to his own 45 and urged the Mayo fans behind the goals to jeer and try to put Meehan off. A very unsporting gesture and I was just delighted that Meehan nailed the free-kick and ignored the jeers. This jeering is creeping more and more into the game but I don't think too many Mayo fans would have bothered if it hadn't been for konor.
What about all the Galway buckos booing and jeering Conor yesterday as well??
I'd imagine the point was more that Conor was trying to get the Mayo crowd to jeer Meehan prior to the kick, didn't see any Galway players at that, don't think I ever have to be honest.
The feeling since yesterday is magical!
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Galway were shocking yesterday. Some of the decisions made by management team were criminal. Finian Hanley and Adrian Faherty will be having nightmares about that goal and rightly so, one of them should have dealt with it. The team line out was a joke, I'd say about 3 lads started in their named positions. Sean Armstrong was given a roving role which was the stupidest theory ever, he's one of our main scoring threats up front and looked lost and got no guidance from the sideline. Niall Coyne was going to get the runaround again only he had to go off injured and who was sent on, the bould Fiachra! Bradshaw was moved back and we missed his runs forward after. Supposedly Kieran Fitz had the tracksuit off ready to come on and was called back. Sending on Fiachra meant about 3 positional switches instead of putting on a corner back for a corner back. Starting Declan Meehan at centre back was a joke, if I was Alan Burke, Darren Mullahy or Kieran Fitz I'd be severly pissed off, these lads must wonder what the hell they have to do to get 5 minutes game time. Sammon then on the Sunday Game bleating on about being unlucky, we were flippin lucky not to have been beaten out the gate with his antics. We didn't have a plan A yesterday never mind a plan B when things started to go wrong. Well done to Mayo though, ye did well to come down and score the winner after the goal.
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A few non-fans of Konor Mortimer have given him a bit of stick on here. OK you can't really argue with 1-2 when only playing one half of the game but he does bring most of the criticism onto himself. I am not a fan at all. The T-shirt thing was just stupid altogether, the losing the ball for the Galway goal was also poor but there were 3 other Mayo players at the same rubbish in that move.
But what really annoyed me about him yesterday was when Meehan was taking a long range free in the 2nd half, Mortimer ran to his own 45 and urged the Mayo fans behind the goals to jeer and try to put Meehan off. A very unsporting gesture and I was just delighted that Meehan nailed the free-kick and ignored the jeers. This jeering is creeping more and more into the game but I don't think too many Mayo fans would have bothered if it hadn't been for konor.
What about all the Galway buckos booing and jeering Conor yesterday as well??
I'd imagine the point was more that Conor was trying to get the Mayo crowd to jeer Meehan prior to the kick, didn't see any Galway players at that, don't think I ever have to be honest.
I watched the game again last night and Conor did not try to get the Mayo fans to
jeer the kick, he was pumping up the crowd by waving his hands in the air. If he had put his hands up to his mouth and actively booed and then enticed the crowd to do the same that would have been a bad act. The lad was just after scoring his goal and still was on a high.
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Good work Flame. Great feeling alright. As you say we re in bonus territory now - thats not to say we rest on our laurels or anything.
I expect Johnno is delighted. If we had won well there would be talk of contenders. As it turned out we re still under the radar - even though it was arguably the most intense of the provisional finals. I know Kildare/Dub got all the awards but Kildare had a man extra for 50 mins and at times looked a man short. Not even close.
He ll be delighted as well that he s got a big stick to beat them with even after winning, although the freefall for much of the second half could be attributed to his tactics if one felt going down that road though I m not so sure. I thought his tactics were sound in principle but we re not mature enough as a team to carry it off. To do what we were trying to do needs phenomenal workrate with players being prepared to be fluid and attack and defend when needed.
Maybe we needed fresher lungs earlier too. Only one player from the engine room, 5- 12 was replaced. Was Parsons on for 5 minutes? While all our 5 - 12 had their moments and played well, we were still beaten for possession in the middle third. So much for our midfield superiority again. No blame on Heaney or McG[ who played well, and imagine if he was fully fit] but as a unit the 3 middle lines were outfought yesterday. Lets forget about that wind, we were on the backfoot for second half because we could nt win breaks in midfield. Galway were back to 3 before Conors free and goal which were rare forays. At one stage with 10 mins to go it looked like Galway could win by kicking frees from distance alone as we were totally conceding possession and territory. He may have spilled possession at the end but Conor s goal was vital and was the winning of the game really. Only for that I believe Galway would have won by a couple of points without having to score a goal and possible just by tapping over frees which we were perfectly happy to concede. Lots to work on.
Yeah plenty to work on Moysider. Which, as you say, it the way O'Mahony will want it. I think you're harsh on our halfback line because they were easily the best line on the field. What did Sice, Joyce and Coleman and later Breathnach do? Sweet FA, they hardly even saw much ball.
Much has been made about the Mayo cynicism. I reckon our cynicism was actually a naive cynicism - sounds like an oxymoran I know! But we allowed Galway players win the ball around 65 metres out and ghost by a few tackles before being unceremounsly stopped around 45 metres out which was a very kickable distance with that wind.
All in all we ceded too much ground. Ronaldson's switch to a sweeper role gave Galway the go-ahead to just bombard us. What annoyed me about the time wasting late on by Dillon, Mortimer and McGarrity was that each of them could have lorried a big ball into Aidan O'Shea which he was probably going to win but they messed around and we almost paid the ultimate price for it.
Fair play to Peadar though.
My difficulty with the end game was the lack of shape. O Sé had a maroon diamond around him and there was nothing else inside let alone moving and if McGar had kicked the ball away there would be legions of his fans on here having a go [you ll have noticed there s a poster on the local board who seems to think he was faking a fractured cheek these last 2 weeks - and no doubt hoping one of his own clubmen does a better job shortly]. In most counties if a player did what McGar did yesterday he would get a bit of respect.
I m not being critical of any of our 5-12 as such or our10- 12 either. But we did lose the possession game. I think maybe we concentrated on keeping people quiet where usually the forté of these lads is pouncing on breaks and throwing caution to the wind. All about getting the balance right and this will be a big learn for them. Have to say Andy M use/kicking of the ball was exemplary. Johnno got that right.
I also thought PJ did well. Showed and won ball and won his fair share of breaks. Could nt understand the flak he took. The text that was read out on Radio1 about him was a disgrace. We give these people licence fees after all. Only heard that s*** cause I was stuck in traffic.
Johnno is a copier rather than a tactical pioneer. Fine by me. Yesterday we had Kerry s twin towers married to Tyrones blanket. These things dont work overnight.
Quote from: moysider on July 21, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
My difficulty with the end game was the lack of shape. O Sé had a maroon diamond around him and there was nothing else inside let alone moving and if McGar had kicked the ball away there would be legions of his fans on here having a go [you ll have noticed there s a poster on the local board who seems to think he was faking a fractured cheek these last 2 weeks - and no doubt hoping one of his own clubmen does a better job shortly]. In most counties if a player did what McGar did yesterday he would get a bit of respect.
I m not being critical of any of our 5-12 as such or our10- 12 either. But we did lose the possession game. I think maybe we concentrated on keeping people quiet where usually the forté of these lads is pouncing on breaks and throwing caution to the wind. All about getting the balance right and this will be a big learn for them. Have to say Andy M use/kicking of the ball was exemplary. Johnno got that right.
I also thought PJ did well. Showed and won ball and won his fair share of breaks. Could nt understand the flak he took. The text that was read out on Radio1 about him was a disgrace. We give these people licence fees after all. Only heard that s*** cause I was stuck in traffic.
Johnno is a copier rather than a tactical pioneer. Fine by me. Yesterday we had Kerry s twin towers married to Tyrones blanket. These things dont work overnight.
Maughan apparently said on Radio 1 that McGarrity didn't have any break at all so I'd say that's where that talk came from. Disgraceful. Presumably so he reckons Fergal Ruane is lying professionally. What Maughan said is nearly libellous.
McGarrity was the epitome of courage and his only problem was in the first fifteen or twenty minutes and presumably that was the lack of enugh full training in the run up to the game. But he showed real leadership afterwards.
As for the Joyce comment, I presumed it was a caller that said it on the air, whcih would be hard to blame Radio 1 for. But for it to be a text read out is shocking stuff.
I'd like to see the figures for possession on the breaks. I don't think we got cleaned out to the extent you suggest.
What was said about Padraic on Radio 1?
Stats already posted show Galway came out on top 51%- 49% in possesion. The positive thing is we won without having to dominate possession. Thats over 75 minutes so in second half we were well done in possession stakes.
There was a text read out. From a Kerry man. 'Joyce a disrace. Never produced the goods for his county when he was needed'. I m fairly close there.
As regards Maughan s comments. He was given an out. Jimmy asked him how medics allowed McGar to play if he had a broken jaw. JM of course said he did nt have a broken jaw - which is correct, its a fractured cheek. But he did nt clarify the nature ot the injury either. 'a nasty facial injury'. Cut? Bruise? A lot of old soft chat about how he knew last weekend that he d be ok to play. Funny that. Family on Sat night were hoping he would nt play and surgery is still a runner. A bit of ' pannelbeating' may be required to prevent a permanent dent.
Galway lads complaining about John Bannon? I've heard it all now.
Mayo were 6-7 points a better side but failed to close out the match due in part to Mortimers showboating and trying to run the clock down. But Galway deserve credit for hanging in there. Meehan's goal was class. He was fouled but refused to go down. However I thought Mayo's long distance point scoring in the 1st half was very impressive as was their spread of the scoring burden. In my opinion McGarrity won all the primary possession in the middle of the park and I felt Bergin was poor in this regard. Heaney also showed a massive work rate and scored 2 great points. Mayo look much more physical than in recent years and have serious options on the bench. A side that's equipped for the long hall. Galway look all over the place tactically. Playing the a man that scored 1-3 against Sligo as a 3rd midfielder on Sunday was crazy. If they dont get their act together Donegal will take them.
Quote from: ross matt on July 21, 2009, 09:28:39 AM
Galway lads complaining about John Bannon? I've heard it all now.
Mayo were 6-7 points a better side but failed to close out the match due in part to Mortimers showboating and trying to run the clock down. But Galway deserve credit for hanging in there. Meehan's goal was class. He was fouled but refused to go down. However I thought Mayo's long distance point scoring in the 1st half was very impressive as was their spread of the scoring burden. In my opinion McGarrity won all the primary possession in the middle of the park and I felt Bergin was poor in this regard. Heaney also showed a massive work rate and scored 2 great points. Mayo look much more physical than in recent years and have serious options on the bench. A side that's equipped for the long hall. Galway look all over the place tactically. Playing the a man that scored 1-3 against Sligo as a 3rd midfielder on Sunday was crazy. If they dont get their act together Donegal will take them.
Spot on Ross. The positioning of some players and the changes made when Niall Coyne went off were poor to say the least. I think we will be good enough to beat Donegal but management need to stop fluting around with the team.
Now, that things have settled down somewhat, I'd hope that a few points will be kept in mind by Johnno and the lads. Too much can be read into the defeat of Galway. There were issues that need to be addressed if we are going to progress any further. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here; I think there is nothing that can't be sorted out.
It seems no one in Mayo was happy with John Bannon's performance.
Yet, in spite of his best attempts, (if anyone should think that way,) we were 7 points up with 7 minutes remaining. If we had gone on to blow it once again, there would be little merit to looking for a scapegoat elsewhere.
I honestly feel we were worth every single one of them but even JB at his worst could not be blamed for cancelling out every one of them. He did not score against us but it was Galway and only Galway who did the scoring. We should have been ruthless in closing down the game at that stage. Kerry or Tyrone or Galway for that matter, would have no problem doing this.
I don't think it is fair to blame poor Conoreen for handing (kicking?) away possession near the end either; he was only the last one in a long list to indulge in amateurish passing about. Did anyone else notice how Galway handled the passing the buck affair? They kept the cool and waited for the inevitable breakdown. Notice how they crowded Mayo over to the sideline to cut down the room for manoeuvre. The Galway players did not panic; they knew what they had to do and they did it very well.
JB's 'bias' did not surface until the second half, did it? Coincidentally, that was when Mayo decided to go on the defence.
The lads should have tuned into his attitude to frees and played it by the book.
That means John Bannon's book and not theirs.
When he began to dish out the yellows, our defence should have reacted accordingly and should have tried to avoid them at any cost. One single sending off would certainly have taken the wheels off our wagon
Still, they were relatively young and inexperienced and they lived to fight another day. I think the lessons will be learned but any team they are going to face from here on will be aware of what happened in the second half.
I can't see beating Donegal to be honest. We were piss poor and Mayo were easily 6 to 7 points better than us. They had the chance for 3 goals in the first half and an annihilation would have been on the cards.
i felt our attitude was not right. We were not working hard enough particularly in the first half and no ball was sticking in the forwards at all apart from Nicky Joyce who did well.
The positioning of our players started off wrong and got worse. Sice started the forward and stayed there until Coyne got injured. Then we went with the John Maughan method of making three changes when one would do. Fitz had the top off and ready to come on too. Crazy stuff!! Bradshaw had a poor game in the full abck line compounded by that crazy pass to give away a point at the start of the 2nd half. We were poor enough without giving away scores. Sice, Breathnach, Conroy, Padraig Joyce were all anonymous. Armstrong was playing too far out, there was no cohesion in the forward line at all and both goals conceded were poor too.
I thought bergin did well at midfield and Coleman and Declan Meehan handled a lot of ball and Nicky Joyce did well too and that's about it to be honest. Some of these players have been around a number of years now and need to step up. However I doubt the step up is in some of them.
Lastly some of our play was naive, especially at the death. How Gardiner was allowed up the field to score is beyond me. Tyrone and Kerry would never have let that happen.
Congrats to Mayo, well deserved win. I think the team is average but apart from Tyrone everyone else is average and they have a good a chance as anyone apart from Tyrone. We are below average and it all depends next week on what Donegal shows up but unless there is a massive change in a week our championship will peter out in a very disppointing manner.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 21, 2009, 10:32:52 AM
It seems no one in Mayo was happy with John Bannon's performance.
Yet, in spite of his best attempts, (if anyone should think that way,) we were 7 points up with 7 minutes remaining. If we had gone on to blow it once again, there would be little merit to looking for a scapegoat elsewhere.
I honestly feel we were worth every single one of them but even JB at his worst could not be blamed for cancelling out every one of them. He did not score against us but it was Galway and only Galway who did the scoring. We should have been ruthless in closing down the game at that stage. Kerry or Tyrone or Galway for that matter, would have no problem doing this.
I don't think it is fair to blame poor Conoreen for handing (kicking?) away possession near the end either; he was only the last one in a long list to indulge in amateurish passing about. Did anyone else notice how Galway handled the passing the buck affair? They kept the cool and waited for the inevitable breakdown. Notice how they crowded Mayo over to the sideline to cut down the room for manoeuvre. The Galway players did not panic; they knew what they had to do and they did it very well.
JB's 'bias' did not surface until the second half, did it? Coincidentally, that was when Mayo decided to go on the defence.
The lads should have tuned into his attitude to frees and played it by the book.
That means John Bannon's book and not theirs.
When he began to dish out the yellows, our defence should have reacted accordingly and should have tried to avoid them at any cost. One single sending off would certainly have taken the wheels off our wagon
Still, they were relatively young and inexperienced and they lived to fight another day. I think the lessons will be learned but any team they are going to face from here on will be aware of what happened in the second half.
Mayo's first goal was a blatant square ball.
And the second started with another blatant pick off the grounf, something he let Mayo away with all day.
Still not complaining but stop on about the ref he gave ye enough, swings and roundabouts...
On Man of The Match - Nicky Joyce deserved it given his haul from play. However on the Mayo side, there should have been no doubt that it was Andy Moran - played a smart game from start to finish, best delivery into forwards, won tackles and breaks through out. Not to mention the quick thinking at the and, plus he actually engineered the free in the first place by inviting the tackle from Bergin. Was not always his biggest fan (particularly when playing in the forwards), but credit where its due, he was outstanding the last day. A leader and deff the next Mayo captain
Quote from: Maradona on July 21, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
On Man of The Match - Nicky Joyce deserved it given his haul from play. However on the Mayo side, there should have been no doubt that it was Andy Moran - played a smart game from start to finish, best delivery into forwards, won tackles and breaks through out. Not to mention the quick thinking at the and, plus he actually engineered the free in the first place by inviting the tackle from Bergin. Was not always his biggest fan (particularly when playing in the forwards), but credit where its due, he was outstanding the last day. A leader and deff the next Mayo captain
From what one can gather from D'Telly, I'd agree, he was outstanding. Very easy to lose the cool when a goal is scored in injury time and the presence of mind he showed to force Bergin into fouling him, then ensuring that Conor didn't get the ball was great
Quote from: Kilconly SuperSub on July 21, 2009, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 21, 2009, 10:32:52 AM
It seems no one in Mayo was happy with John Bannon's performance.
Yet, in spite of his best attempts, (if anyone should think that way,) we were 7 points up with 7 minutes remaining. If we had gone on to blow it once again, there would be little merit to looking for a scapegoat elsewhere.
I honestly feel we were worth every single one of them but even JB at his worst could not be blamed for cancelling out every one of them. He did not score against us but it was Galway and only Galway who did the scoring. We should have been ruthless in closing down the game at that stage. Kerry or Tyrone or Galway for that matter, would have no problem doing this.
I don't think it is fair to blame poor Conoreen for handing (kicking?) away possession near the end either; he was only the last one in a long list to indulge in amateurish passing about. Did anyone else notice how Galway handled the passing the buck affair? They kept the cool and waited for the inevitable breakdown. Notice how they crowded Mayo over to the sideline to cut down the room for manoeuvre. The Galway players did not panic; they knew what they had to do and they did it very well.
JB's 'bias' did not surface until the second half, did it? Coincidentally, that was when Mayo decided to go on the defence.
The lads should have tuned into his attitude to frees and played it by the book.
That means John Bannon's book and not theirs.
When he began to dish out the yellows, our defence should have reacted accordingly and should have tried to avoid them at any cost. One single sending off would certainly have taken the wheels off our wagon
Still, they were relatively young and inexperienced and they lived to fight another day. I think the lessons will be learned but any team they are going to face from here on will be aware of what happened in the second half.
Mayo's first goal was a blatant square ball.
And the second started with another blatant pick off the grounf, something he let Mayo away with all day.
Still not complaining but stop on about the ref he gave ye enough, swings and roundabouts...
1st goal may have been a square ball but it was far from blatant if it was. A very tight call if anything. Moran has long arms and long legs too so he's well able to get in there.
As for the pick off the ground, he was letting both teams away with that all day, not just Mayo.
If you want to get into that kinda thing you could say Meehan took too many steps or that Burke tried to take Conoreen out of it for our 2nd goal instead of going for the ball. No point in it.
I would say that we didn't cop on quickly enough that Bannon was, shall we say, giving frees for stuff that other refs wouldn't. If we wanted to foul we should have done it further out the field
Agree with a lot of what is being said here but I wouldn't go over the top either, there is loads to work on from a Mayo point of view. Was very pissed off at O'Mahony's overly defensive tactics in the second have by putting a forward (Ronaldson) in defense and handing Galway the initiative. So lucky to get away with it (he thank Andy Moran and Peadar Gardiner for that).
On the subject of Andy Moran he had probably his best game in a Mayo shirt, he was everywhere, a real leader, fair play to him because I wasn't always his biggest fan. Dillon is a ridiculously talented player, we're lucky to have him. McGarrity was excellent and its crucial for the team if they want to progress. Heaney was good but tired big time in the 2nd half and how the management couldn't see this and didn't bring on T Parsons is beyond me. O'Malley should have been moved off N Joyce way earlier but I suppose Joyce was just on fire.
Barry Moran improved and hopefully he'll improve again for the next game because the two big men inside seems to cause a lot of panic in opposition defenses. A O'Shea was class and is also vital for the team to progress further so hopefully he keeps his good form. What was the story with taking Kilcoyne off so early? That was a bit harsh even though I know Mortimer did very well when he came on. Oh and Michael Meehan is unbelievable. Definitely the best FF in the game. Would love if he was from Mayo!! Fair play to Gardiner as well :)
Andy Moran far and away Mayo's top man on Sunday. Worked himself into the ground, great kick passer and kept a calm head when it would have been very easy to have lost it and curse everything and everyone around you ( as I did ;) ).
And Peadar Gardiner - it looks balls to go for that score with the last chance of the game. A wing back, taking the kick on the run from the wing into the wind. Fair play Peadar, Mayo now have leaders all over the pitch.
But of course it should never have come to that. To give up a 7 point lead with 7 mins to go is criminal. There is a way to play keep ball, and Mayo hadn't worked on it by the looks of things. You need to keep the ball moving at pace and have men constantly running for you. Standing still playing pass the parcel will not work.
As long as the lesson is learnt, it's no bad thing.
What a game! It was a thriller to be at but TV3 analysis's didn't seem to think so!
They gave Trevor Mortimor man of the match so I wouldn't listen to much from them.
We were thinking he might get hauled ashore, he looked lost at stages in the match and it was passing him by.
Andy Moran, Heaney, Cafferkey or Howley deserved it way ahead of Trev.
I would have even given it to Nicky Joyce who was unreal.
Galway had some good performances.
Bergan was fantastic in the middle and may have won that battle for Galway, it's the best I have seen him for a long time.
I was most surprised at Nicky Joyce. Don't know how Liam O Malley lasted as long as he did as Joyce wiped him.
Also I thought that Hanley did very well at full back. He broke it countless times and denied our full forward line possession at vital stages for Galway. He is one of the best in the country in my book. And I also thought that Decie Meehan had the measure of Alan Dillon who was quieter than I expected but still chipped in with a couple of scores.
Galway are a couple of players short of being in contention. The half forward line is slightly weaker than the rest. Paraic Joyce was not at his best and looks to have slowed up a bit. Sean Armstrong was quieter than usual but he was playing to deep to have any major effect. Meehan was kept reasonably quiet but still stuck the goal.
Mayo deserved the win but I wouldn't have minded getting Galway in McHale park next week if it was a draw.
They have it tough against Donegal next week, as its hard to bounce back from the defeat. That possession game we played at the end nearly cost us. But in fairness it worked for Ballina when they won the club All-Ireland, we just couldn't execute it properly yesterday. If it did work we would be hailed for it but it nearly blew up in our faces.
As for Mort the younger!? I was in shock when I heard it as you couldn't see it at the match.
Everyones reaction was to laugh hysterically, ya have to laugh, the lad has no shame.
It was a good all round performance by Mayo. All the Mayo forwards and 2 midfielders had got a score by half time.
That's some statistic when you think of it. The only negative stuff I would not have wholly agreed with was bringing on Ronaldson to drop back as an extra defender. I suppose the John O Mahoney thought that Paraic Joyce would lead the comeback so he double teamed him.
It kind of worked, and it kind of didn't. If he was going to do that I would have him playing deeper in front of the full back line as it was 2 v 2 inside and I had a feeling a goal was coming, especially with the wind.
I was delighted with Ger Cafferkey. Thought he did very well on Meehan. His pace was unreal, he actually caught Meehan a couple of times from being yards behind him. Also Donal Vaughan steadied things a lot and quietened Nicky Joyce a bit. Even GArdiner has improved defensively and Andy Moran seemed to have a hand in everything. All in all I dont think there was any particularly bad individual performance by Mayo. Kilcoyne was unlucky to be taken off at half time but "MJ Mort" justified (or "Mortified") himself when he came on.
Mayo's 1st goal was possibly a square ball. Meehan took 10 steps for Galways goal. Both teams were hopping the ball like it was a basketball in both games. Bannon was a joke and should hang up the whistle, crazy decisions on both sides, although Mayo were doing a lot of fouling and were cynical when Galway had possession. It lead to too many scoreable frees in the second half. But its nice to see a bit of badness and cuteness creep into the Mayo team for a change, you do what you have to do to win.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 21, 2009, 01:24:32 PM
What a game! It was a thriller to be at but TV3 analysis's didn't seem to think so!
They gave Trevor Mortimor man of the match so I wouldn't listen to much from them.
We were thinking he might get hauled ashore, he looked lost at stages in the match and it was passing him by.
Andy Moran, Heaney, Cafferkey or Howley deserved it way ahead of Trev.
I would have even given it to Nicky Joyce who was unreal.
Galway had some good performances.
Bergan was fantastic in the middle and may have won that battle for Galway, it's the best I have seen him for a long time.
I was most surprised at Nicky Joyce. Don't know how Liam O Malley lasted as long as he did as Joyce wiped him.
Also I thought that Hanley did very well at full back. He broke it countless times and denied our full forward line possession at vital stages for Galway. He is one of the best in the country in my book. And I also thought that Decie Meehan had the measure of Alan Dillon who was quieter than I expected but still chipped in with a couple of scores.
Galway are a couple of players short of being in contention. The half forward line is slightly weaker than the rest. Paraic Joyce was not at his best and looks to have slowed up a bit. Sean Armstrong was quieter than usual but he was playing to deep to have any major effect. Meehan was kept reasonably quiet but still stuck the goal.
Mayo deserved the win but I wouldn't have minded getting Galway in McHale park next week if it was a draw.
They have it tough against Donegal next week, as its hard to bounce back from the defeat. That possession game we played at the end nearly cost us. But in fairness it worked for Ballina when they won the club All-Ireland, we just couldn't execute it properly yesterday. If it did work we would be hailed for it but it nearly blew up in our faces.
As for Mort the younger!? I was in shock when I heard it as you couldn't see it at the match.
Everyones reaction was to laugh hysterically, ya have to laugh, the lad has no shame.
It was a good all round performance by Mayo. All the Mayo forwards and 2 midfielders had got a score by half time.
That's some statistic when you think of it. The only negative stuff I would not have wholly agreed with was bringing on Ronaldson to drop back as an extra defender. I suppose the John O Mahoney thought that Paraic Joyce would lead the comeback so he double teamed him.
It kind of worked, and it kind of didn't. If he was going to do that I would have him playing deeper in front of the full back line as it was 2 v 2 inside and I had a feeling a goal was coming, especially with the wind.
I was delighted with Ger Cafferkey. Thought he did very well on Meehan. His pace was unreal, he actually caught Meehan a couple of times from being yards behind him. Also Donal Vaughan steadied things a lot and quietened Nicky Joyce a bit. Even GArdiner has improved defensively and Andy Moran seemed to have a hand in everything. All in all I dont think there was any particularly bad individual performance by Mayo. Kilcoyne was unlucky to be taken off at half time but "MJ Mort" justified (or "Mortified") himself when he came on.
Mayo's 1st goal was possibly a square ball. Meehan took 10 steps for Galways goal. Both teams were hopping the ball like it was a basketball in both games. Bannon was a joke and should hang up the whistle, crazy decisions on both sides, although Mayo were doing a lot of fouling and were cynical when Galway had possession. It lead to too many scoreable frees in the second half. But its nice to see a bit of badness and cuteness creep into the Mayo team for a change, you do what you have to do to win.
Kilcoyne was injured, hopefully not badly so but you could see him holding the hamstring and limping a bit for about 2 mins before half-time.
I will not be getting too carried away with the result on Sunday. Galway were lethargic for 80% of the game and when they stepped up a gear in the last ten (7?) minutes, they scored at will and with ease. We were badly exposed and lost 5 high balls in a row.
Kilcoyne should have been given at least ten minutes in the second half. Connor came on and did well and then proceeded to spend most of his time fluting around the middle. There were no options up front for the last 15 minutes. We badly needed a forward willing to show for a ball in the last ten minutes.
Dillon and Heaney should have been replaced with fresh legs sooner. The game was crying out for a fresh mobile player like Tom Parsons to come on and take the game back to Galway. 1 or 2 scores would have crushed their resolve and we'd have ran out more comfortable winners.
Positives -
Our Goalkeeper saved us on two occasions and his kickouts were good all day. He is our no.2 and had little championship experience before Sunday.
Our half backs had a good day, their marking, tackling and distribution were good. Most of Galways scores did not come through them rather over them.
McGarrity had a good game despite having the nagging worry of getting a box in the side of the face. It was good to see that he wasn't targeted in this area specifically. I'd say that Parsons will start in Croker Park. The wide open spaces will suit him.
Aidan O'Shea has potential to have big games if we get enough ball into him. He is not that mobile but like Tommy Walsh will win more 50/50 balls that he will lose.
Galway are still a top 8 team and we more than held our own against them over 74 minutes.
Can we go further this year? I think we have a better squad than 2004 & 2006 and have the capacity to score goals which was one of our shortcomings.
That is the 3rd time this decade we have beaten Galway. The other 2 years were 2004 & 2006.
We in Mayo tend to be a bit over-critical at times. For example if it was a Galway man that scored liked Gardiner did there would have been a witch-hunt from the usual suspects here looking to hang (or drop from the panel) whoever was marking him. I don't see to many Galway posters seeking blood over it and they are right.
I hope McGarrity's early lethargy was down to the injury and Liam O'Malley was beaten twice very early on but can point to not having trained for weeks. We have seen better from Keith Higgins and I am confident that Sunday's game will have done him the world of good. Likewise Cafferkey and Howley will benefit from having played on marque forwards in a big Championship game and come through with shining colours. I felt 5 & 7 would be our defensive weaknesses while obviously offering attacking options but they were good defensively.
Earlier in the year we were bemoaning a tendency to start games very slowly. Well thankfully we seemed to have knocked that firmly on the head and while Galway scored heavily in the last few minutes that has always been a Galway trait even before Micheál Meehan came along. They often could play for only 10 minutes in each half and win games doing it while we always need to plod away for long periods to build up a winning score.
The more I think of it the more I think the Moran/Ronaldson switch was crazy. While Ronaldson actually did well, not having Moran occupying Hanley handed the initiative to them and Conor Mort unwisely started to drift way out the field a) looking for ball and b) chasing what he probably thought was his man but was the extra man. Ronaldson may have understood his role very well but I'm not sure some of the others did.
Anyway, roll on Kerry or Antrim as Hogan Stand seems to be suggesting.
Deadly impressed with your spelling of M. Meehan'sa christian name!
Yes muppet, the decision to take off Moran and replace him with Ronaldson might have been ok if he was actig as a roaming half forward I thought. I didn't understand how Trevor Mortimer got man of the match either. Andy Moran would have been mine. Am I the only one who thought the entire full-back line was dodgy at times, although Caff was marking Meehan and Higgins is only back and yes O'Malley was injured, but I felt Galway's forwards were on top in that department every time. Cafferkey always seems to leave it like last gasp defending. Still though, I was fairly impressed with the workrate of the halfbacks and half-forwards all through the game and those lines are so important in modern intercounty football.
Nice bit done, more to do if we're to progress though.
Ronaldson performed that role very well 2 games in the league Dublin ballina was one . cant remember the other was it tuam? in both games Mayos performance imorived significantly after Ronaldson took up that role . which like sunday were on very windy days, and he did win a power of ball as did vaughan Both must be a real Contenders to start the next day. I think ronalddon is now our most gifted if not as yet effective player and we should make moves to accommodate him ,
Harte will need to look over his shoulder as he was well out of it, he did well for his point but looked out of his depth besides.
While im full of admiration of Mcgarrity in playing sunday it was obvious he was not doing himself justice, Ifear there is a stubborn streak in JOM that will be his undoing in the long run.
he must seriously look at the full back line Galway had 4 clear opportunities to score goals . 3 really as you cant blame anyone for not defending against 10 steps . the only way would have been to foul and we don't do that as it would be cynical cheating,
Liam McHale was pretty poor as well, but PJ Loftus was outstanding. :D
Question for you on the club thread Ros, just in case you missed it :P
6 whole mins you must be busy at work
Quote from: rosnarun on July 22, 2009, 12:46:34 AM
I think ronalddon is now our most gifted if not as yet effective player and we should make moves to accommodate him ,
I presume you're taking the piss??
JO'M mustn't have much time for BJP, I would have thought he'd have been the obvious man for a sweeper role.
While I think everyone agrees Ronaldson done well when he came on it was the fact that he came on in a strictly defensive role that most people question. I've seen Mark play a good bit of football and tbh he is more suited to a half forward or corner forward role but he's one of those lads that if you told him to play corner back in a Junior B game he'd do it.
I think he would be able to fill a 3rd midfielder type of role - in fact that's what I thought he was going to do when he came on the last day. But then so is BJP who has more experience. Iwouldn't go near the half forward line though as it's clearly been our best and most consistent line all year.
It really is great to beat Galway.It makes coming to work a hell of a lot easier.
I watched the game last night and we deserved the win. We should have closed them out after Conor's brilliant goal, but we got sloppy. Delighted for Peader scoring the winner.. he's playing well as are most of the backs. Andy Moran was man of the match for me. He got stuck in big time and he delivered good ball into the big men. In fact most of the mayo lads really put in a lot of hard graft in the middle third. I thought Heaney was excellent.
I agree that Ronaldson played decent when he came on, but I'd have preferred to see someone like BJP or T Parsons coming into win primary possession and lift the seige a little bit.
We have a good squad with the likes of C Mort, T Parsons, BJP, D Vaughan, K Mcloughlin,T Cunniffe & D Clarke waiting for a chance to get in. Hopefully we can push on and win the QF.
You made it back from the open allright venter .
yeah, im back alright DR, heading to enniscrone on friday for the Crossmolina festival outing. I'm hoping to put all I learned into practice and go round in level par :). If that doesnt happen, a few pints afterwards will do the trick..I'm already looking forward to all the upbeat barstool conversations about the state of Mayo football
Quote from: venter on July 22, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
yeah, im back alright DR, heading to enniscrone on friday for the Crossmolina festival outing. I'm hoping to put all I learned into practice and go round in level par :). If that doesnt happen, a few pints afterwards will do the trick..I'm already looking forward to all the upbeat barstool conversations about the state of Mayo football
Well good luck with the golf on friday venter . i'm heading to the festival myself on friday its great to see people that you haven't seen for years coming home for the festival great for Cross.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 22, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
with the golf on friday venter . i'm heading to the festival myself on friday its great to see people that you haven't seen for years coming home for the festival great for Cross.
absolutely, its great for the town.
Back to the football, It would be a shame to see a fine footballer like Tom Parsons sitting on the bench when we get back to Croker. How and where can he be slotted back into the team? They'd hardly go for the tri-towers and bring him out around the middle after a while?
Quote from: venter on July 22, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 22, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
with the golf on friday venter . i'm heading to the festival myself on friday its great to see people that you haven't seen for years coming home for the festival great for Cross.
absolutely, its great for the town.
Back to the football, It would be a shame to see a fine footballer like Tom Parsons sitting on the bench when we get back to Croker. How and where can he be slotted back into the team? They'd hardly go for the tri-towers and bring him out around the middle after a while?
We could go down the road of Shaving innovation and just add another tower when out of ideas.
First there was:
(http://www.personna.com/personna/images/products/cache/product_single_blade_fh_features_375x375.jpg)
Then there came the brilliant idea of:
(http://www.personna.com/personna/images/uploads/cache/product_twin_blade_fh_lh_lube_features_375x375.jpg)
Then the unexpected novelty of:
(http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50341549/Triple_Blade_Razor.jpg)
Of course shaving is way ahead of Gaelic football attacking strategy so they already have :
(http://www.razorsdirect.com/i/Schick_Quattro_Generic.jpg)
and
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BUUVTE.01.PT01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
Of course a German company got Jack O'Connor to work in their R&D section and this is what they came up with:
(http://greatinventions.tv/products/images/razor.jpg)
Quote from: muppet on July 22, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
Quote from: venter on July 22, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 22, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
with the golf on friday venter . i'm heading to the festival myself on friday its great to see people that you haven't seen for years coming home for the festival great for Cross.
absolutely, its great for the town.
Back to the football, It would be a shame to see a fine footballer like Tom Parsons sitting on the bench when we get back to Croker. How and where can he be slotted back into the team? They'd hardly go for the tri-towers and bring him out around the middle after a whi
We could go down the road of Shaving innovation and just add another tower when out of ideas.
First there was:
(http://www.personna.com/personna/images/products/cache/product_single_blade_fh_features_375x375.jpg)
Then there came the brilliant idea of:
(http://www.personna.com/personna/images/uploads/cache/product_twin_blade_fh_lh_lube_features_375x375.jpg)
Then the unexpected novelty of:
(http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50341549/Triple_Blade_Razor.jpg)
Of course shaving is way ahead of Gaelic football attacking strategy so they already have :
(http://www.razorsdirect.com/i/Schick_Quattro_Generic.jpg)
and
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BUUVTE.01.PT01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
Of course a German company got Jack O'Connor to work in their R&D section and this is what they came up with:
(http://greatinventions.tv/products/images/razor.jpg)
Very good.
All joking aside, when you look back to last year v Tyrone, Parsons despite some wayward shooting had some game against Tyrone in Croke Park. I thought JOM should have introduced him earlier as we lost the midfield battle for the last twent mis. In fact after we scored the goal, I dont think we hardly won a kick out until Galway got thier goal.
Ssshhh joemamas, we're not supposed to criticise McGarrity's area at all. ::) Well not on club thread.
Totally agree with jomamas, O'Mahony made a lot of questionable decisions on Sunday. Parsons definitely should have been brought in earlier. He would also offer a scoring threat from mid field.
im serious about ronaldson. i think he will be one of the greats if predjudice is not let intefere. and he must get a regular position. his vision distribution energy and we know from uder age his scoring ability are top class. a forward with a free reign i feel would give greastest return.
Ronaldson is a handy ball player alright. He was superb for the u-21s - in at corner-forward I think. He's awful small though, even with his speed it means you're essentially restricted to sending in low ball to him every time if you want it to stick. That might mitigate against him being in the first 15 unfortunately.
Kevin McStay doesn't think either Mayo or Galway are contenders: http://www.herald.ie/incoming/connacht-finalists-are-unlikely-to-go-all-way-1834607.html
When I was looking this up to post it I was going to have a go but once you get over the tricky style - "Cork outfit" - you realise that he raises some quite legitimate concerns.
Herald.ie
Connacht finalists are unlikely to go all way
By Kevin McStay
Wednesday July 22 2009
IT was a Connacht final for the ages, but the end result failed to convince me that either side are good enough, at this stage, to win this year's All-Ireland. Mayo won because their manager and the players needed the buoyancy of a title win more than Galway did. Both sides will obviously improve in the weeks and matches ahead, but I fear that improvement will not be enough to beat a Cork or Tyrone outfit.
I fancied Mayo all along, but had anticipated a five- or six-point win over their fiercest rivals. Something similar to the Cork statement during the replayed Munster championship game against Kerry. Some days you have to stand up tall and announce your arrival on stage and Mayo needed to do this against Galway once and for all. And with the Mayo men leading by seven points with eight minutes left on the clock, the message coming from Salthill was this was a different Mayo outfit.
At that stage, all the Mayo midfielders and forwards had scored; the majority were classy ones from play -- the lazy, stale stereotype of Mayo footballers lining up outside Specsavers was not applicable last Sunday. And Mayo had a wing back waiting to contribute on the scoreboard if things took a turn for the worse. And, with Mayo being Mayo, inevitably they did. They set up defensively for the final quarter and started to cynically foul at their own 45m line and beyond.
And then, to put the tin hat on it, they began a mini game of keep ball with a full three minutes yet to be played. Keep ball depends on speed of hand, movement and pace, and the pretty obvious rider that you don't start that craic until the game is almost up -- say a minute or so on the clock would be just about right. Mayo started showboating and there was still time for Michael Meehan to scorch the sod with a bullet to the net, and of course still time for the indefatigable Peadar Gardiner to score a beauty against a strong breeze.
Both teams have strong prospects of going further in this championship, but not the whole way. I expect Galway to beat Donegal this weekend and Mayo should be fit for all-comers out of the Round 4 bowl. But the journey will end for both at the semi-final stage unless immediate and substantial improvement arrives.
Galway don't know their best 15 at this stage and they are unsettled as to their best positions. Only Joe Bergin and Nickey Joyce hit Connacht-final standard and the contribution on the scoreboard from the less-rated forwards was abysmal. On a day when Galway won midfield marginally, they should have ticked along better up front.
Mayo's full-forward line is far from the massive threat many observers are arguing. I said as much after the straightforward win over Roscommon when that inside line went missing for almost two-thirds of the game. Again, last Sunday, following an opening burst, only young Aidan O'Shea measured up. A full- forward line that scores 1-2 in total is hardly the Twin Towers II. Sure, the much maligned Conor Mortimer scored that himself in the second half!
COMPETITION
But Mayo have a very good defence and if there is a place still up for grabs there the competition will keep all on their toes. They were tight, tough and very mobile with great covering evident throughout. Yet, Mayo's midfield was disappointing. On a day when they expected to dominate the Galway pairing, it just did not happen and the introduction of Tom Parsons changed little in that area. Yes, both Heaney and McGarrity scored and contributed besides. But not enough.
Lots of work then for both outfits as the next opponents are surveyed -- now is the time to make your drive, and just five or six real weeks of serious momentum could see a team in the All-Ireland final. For Galway and Mayo that is the dream now, but realising it will take major improvement.
Before I leave last Sunday's game, you might recall a column I did a few weeks ago where the role of referees in deciding where titles end up was explored.
Mayo won the 2009 Connacht final by a single point. David Heaney scored a point for Mayo in the 14th minute by fisting the ball over the bar. In approaching the Galway goal he bounced the ball twice in succession -- a technical foul and therefore a free out to Galway. The referee, the normally excellent John Bannon, who had a very good game overall, missed the call. On such small matters titles are sometimes decided.
- Kevin McStay
© Herald.ie 2008 - The latest news and updates from Ireland and worldwide with the Evening Herald newspaper and Herald.ie
great result at the weekend but i would like to see parsons start at centre forward and put trevor into the full forward line. let o shea go to full forward and moran to the bench. we could use him as a twin towers option if the need arises. the ball needs to be let into o shea more often and he will do damage. trevor can come out the field a bit to create the space inside. the other corner i am torn between conor and kilcoyne. if he is fit dont think kilcoyne deserves to be droped but 1-2 from conor in the second half also deserves a start
It's not that I'd disagree with alot of what Mc Stay said but and there's always a but, how can you read anything into a Galway/Mayo CF. They could be poles apart in form and still only a point apart at the final whistle. I''ll wait for a while before dismisiing either.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 22, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
The referee, the normally excellent John Bannon, who had a very good game overall, missed the call. On such small matters titles are sometimes decided.
- Kevin McStay
© Herald.ie 2008 - The latest news and updates from Ireland and worldwide with the Evening Herald newspaper and Herald.ie
What match was he watching??? Regardless of how right or wrong the frees he gave were, there were players from both sides blatantly picking the ball off the ground all day!!!
I found that article fairly lazy. In fact I think McStay has the blinkers on a bit and is not giving credit where its due to both teams.
Its rare these days that you win a Connaught final by more then the narrowest of margins. Certainly playing Galway in Pearse Stadium was worth a few points to them. Also saying that Cork layed down this great marker against Kerry is a bit large considering they were extremely lucky to beat Limerick in the Munster Final. Cork looked vulnerable and flat and Limerick at least deserved a draw from the game. Cork have had plenty of good performances against Kerry, even winning Munster finals. Does that make them any better come August / September? No.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 22, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
At that stage, all the Mayo midfielders and forwards had scored;
Deja Vu
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 21, 2009, 01:24:32 PM
All the Mayo forwards and 2 midfielders had got a score by half time.
That's some statistic when you think of it.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 21, 2009, 01:24:32 PM
And then, to put the tin hat on it, they began a mini game of keep ball with a full three minutes yet to be played. Keep ball depends on speed of hand, movement and pace, and the pretty obvious rider that you don't start that craic until the game is almost up -- say a minute or so on the clock would be just about right. Mayo started showboating and there was still time for Michael Meehan to scorch the sod with a bullet to the net, and of course still time for the indefatigable Peadar Gardiner to score a beauty against a strong breeze.
Show boating is a bit strong. If it had worked the Mayo players would have been hailed for it. And it has been proven to work in the past. It just wasnt executed very well on Sunday.
Think McStay is spot on.
Taking a standing solo @ midfield is showboating. The 'Micheal' Jackson fan being the showboater there.
If Mayo were moving the ball over and back @ pace to a moving player it would have been smart.
Didn't see much lazy about the article. Just because he quoted a stat you had noted..doesn't represent plagiarism or anything y'know...
Quote from: Buckass on July 23, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
...Just because he quoted a stat you had noted..doesn't represent plagiarism or anything y'know...
:P
It was total and utter plagiarism and a serious breach of journalistic ethics that completely undermines any credibility the article has
:D :D
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 23, 2009, 09:42:08 AM
If it had worked the Mayo players would have been hailed for it. And it has been proven to work in the past. It just wasnt executed very well on Sunday.
What I love about Mayo supporters is that the craic is always mighty. Long after the game is over, the post mortems go on and they are usually more interesting than the effin' game had ever been. ;D
To be (a small bit) serious, you have just about the nail on the head on Mayo's antics tactics coming up to the end of the match. I have no problem with them playing 'pass the parcel' right from the time they went one point ahead and they would have been hailed for it, as long as they won.
It certainly has been proven to work many, many times in the past. However, I can never recall a time when it worked for Mayo. I have seen kids in a schoolyard making a much better fist of it than our lads did last Sunday.
Like I said before, Galway handled it very well; they crowded the parcel passers over to the sideline and waited for the inevitable breakdown. I wouldn't blame Conoreen any more than the rest of those involved- it was always going to come to grief in the end. I have a suspicion that if the roles were reversed, Galway would now be Connacht champions and we'd be laying it into the ref and the weather and everything else we could think of.
I think the game did our side a power of good and they won't act the ass so much the next time.
In the end, justice prevailed and we won but the winning could have been a lot easier.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 23, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 23, 2009, 09:42:08 AM
If it had worked the Mayo players would have been hailed for it. And it has been proven to work in the past. It just wasnt executed very well on Sunday.
What I love about Mayo supporters is that the craic is always mighty. Long after the game is over, the post mortems go on and they are usually more interesting than the effin' game had ever been. ;D
To be (a small bit) serious, you have just about the nail on the head on Mayo's antics tactics coming up to the end of the match. I have no problem with them playing 'pass the parcel' right from the time they went one point ahead and they would have been hailed for it, as long as they won.
It certainly has been proven to work many, many times in the past. However, I can never recall a time when it worked for Mayo. I have seen kids in a schoolyard making a much better fist of it than our lads did last Sunday.
Like I said before, Galway handled it very well; they crowded the parcel passers over to the sideline and waited for the inevitable breakdown. I wouldn't blame Conoreen any more than the rest of those involved- it was always going to come to grief in the end. I have a suspicion that if the roles were reversed, Galway would now be Connacht champions and we'd be laying it into the ref and the weather and everything else we could think of.
I think the game did our side a power of good and they won't act the ass so much the next time.
In the end, justice prevailed and we won but the winning could have been a lot easier.
I would agree with most of that Lar.
At that late stage the legs were gone in both teams. Alan Dillon was going to take on Decie Meehan, swerving up along the sideline before he changed his mind and checked back to give a pass. Meehan looked out on his feet too and I dont think he would have kept with him if Dillon kept going.
Galway still had a dying kick in them and were motivated and living on the adrenaline of the comeback. The game seemed to be won in the heads of the Mayo players so the possession game started.
But, if Mayo used the space in the middle of the pitch to play the possession game it would have worked better. Ballina did that, working for each other, running off the shoulder and playing it to perfection when they closed off the game to win their club All Ireland.
But instead of that, Mayo tried to hold onto the ball in the corner under the stand, only to be brought over to the far sideline, bottling it up again, before we lost possession through lack of concentration and sloppiness.
But as with these post mortems, hindsight is a great thing! :P
Sure where would the board be without it? ;D
Whatever about the board and post-mortems, where would Mayo be without them? Maybe we are too critical in our post-mortems of games. They usually last up until the start of the next game in my house!
IMO people are far too quick to criticise "usual suspects". Conor for example. Scored 1-02, tracked his man (and others) around the field, didn't start the "keep ball" on either occasion. Volunteered to take final kick. Not a bad display for 35 mins. And how about Barry Moran? Scored a goal, knocked down ball for at least one pt., neutralised one of Galways top players ( Hanley) and allows Mayo the chance to deploy 19 yr old O Shea in the less pressurised corner forward berth while still maintaining a threat at full-forward. Liam O Malley hadn't his greatest hour but was preferrable as a starter than the "rookie" Vaughan - especially when Joyce was on song. Suited Vaughan to be introduced rather than started.
Overall - the sweetest victory over Galway that I can remember - and I can go back to 1967. Just when Galway (and most of Mayo) thought we'd let it slip. Time to win is when there's no time to come back. Killer blow that will take Galway longer than this week-end to shake off. I can do recessions like this every year.
:) ;D ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 23, 2009, 05:18:01 PM
Whatever about the board and post-mortems, where would Mayo be without them? Maybe we are too critical in our post-mortems of games. They usually last up until the start of the next game in my house!
You'd want to see mine then!
Even my one and only good buddy, the bloody dog, has started shaking his head and slinking off when he sees me coming.
Whenever The Boss would say it was a case of her or the computer whenever Mayo would lose a game, I could call her bluff because she knew what answer to that one would be every time! ;D
But I think I overheard her telling her sister that it was going to be a case of
me or the computer this time if I didn't leave Bannon, whoever he is, alone.
I would do almost any thing for the sake of Mayo football but I could well do without another crack on the cranium. Like Mayo on Sunday, I might not be so lucky the next time.
I wish Barney would leave off whatever he's up to this weather and go start a new thread.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on July 23, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
Killer blow that will take Galway longer than this week-end to shake off.
Don't worry. We'll be back to spoil plenty of Mayo parties in the future. ;D
About postmortems and all that stuff. Now is the time for them and you can be sure management is doing one and how we progress -or not- from here, will depend on what they learn from it and the strategies they devise on correcting things that did nt work well. And of course the players implementing these.
Lots of posters have identified things that did nt work well the last day.
The main criticism has been about the deployment of Ronaldson as a sweeper.
The question that must be asked is what Management expected to happen when Ronaldson was introduced in this role? It must be borne in mind that we were losing the battle in midfield for some time before the sub. so it must have been an attempt to reverse that trend. I assume that management did not want to replace anybody from 8-12 [ with Parsons as a ball winner], and they tried a different strategy to get more possession and protection for their lead. Consensus seems to be that it did nt work too well but management might see it differently. They won the game and they could point to other factors for it being so close at the end.
Our criticisms here only amount to a hill of beans. It s what management and players learn that counts. As regards the 'Ronaldson Strategy' they ll be asking themselves.
What went wrong, why did nt it work better? [that s if they concede it did nt work well]
Will we use it again? If not what would we do instead?
I hope it s not something that was used because it was developed during the league and sort of deployed because it's there and it's very clever. I can appreciate what they were trying to do. But I think there was nt enough legs left on the field to work with that tactic. Mind you they could not just lump ball away into that wind either. Good thing is there is time now to work it out. We should have the personnel to develop tactics like this. Otherwise we may forget about it.
Why cant we have a Mayo 1/4 final thread? Tyrone are up to 6 pages already even though they don t know who their opponents will be same as ourselves. Barney needs to be reported for dereliction of duty.
Quote from: Kilconly SuperSub on July 19, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
Mayo's first goal was a square ball, Second one started with an obvious pick off the ground
I watched the replay again yesterday, the square ball is impossible to tell but there wasn't even a hint of mortimer going near the ground for the ball, like he literally didn;t even have to bend his back to get the ball
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 25, 2009, 09:07:24 AM
Quote from: Kilconly SuperSub on July 19, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
Mayo's first goal was a square ball, Second one started with an obvious pick off the ground
I watched the replay again yesterday, the square ball is impossible to tell but there wasn't even a hint of mortimer going near the ground for the ball, like he literally didn;t even have to bend his back to get the ball
Yeah Trevor Mortimer was grand there is no pick up there, go back have a look at how Alan Dillion acquired the ball just prior to passing it to him, as blatant as pick off the ground as you'll see.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2009, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 25, 2009, 09:07:24 AM
Quote from: Kilconly SuperSub on July 19, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
Mayo's first goal was a square ball, Second one started with an obvious pick off the ground
I watched the replay again yesterday, the square ball is impossible to tell but there wasn't even a hint of mortimer going near the ground for the ball, like he literally didn;t even have to bend his back to get the ball
Yeah Trevor Mortimer was grand there is no pick up there, go back have a look at how Alan Dillion acquired the ball just prior to passing it to him, as blatant as pick off the ground as you'll see.
As blatant as bergins pick of the ground for nickys 2nd point ??
So a few weeks ago Conor Mortimer shocked the GAA world with this display......
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0002749e-674.jpg)
So what is the connection between Mayo and Michael Jackson?
So far the following..
1. Both have never performed in Croke Park
2. No amount of cosmetic surgery could ever cover up the cracks.
3. Both spent a large portion of time living off past glories.
4. Neverland
5. MJ was also often outshone by his sisters.
6. Like MJ Mayo always preform better with the minors.
::)
Are you even going to give credit to the hogan stand?
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 30, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
So a few weeks ago Conor Mortimer shocked the GAA world with this display......
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0002749e-674.jpg)
So what is the connection between Mayo and Michael Jackson?
So far the following..
1. Both have never performed in Croke Park
2. No amount of cosmetic surgery could ever cover up the cracks.
3. Both spent a large portion of time living off past glories.
4. Neverland
5. MJ was also often outshone by his sisters.
6. Like MJ Mayo always preform better with the minors.
That is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wicked. Class