Too soon? Yup. But I'm going to stick my neck out and pick Cory Booker. A lot of parallels with Obama. Young, smart, media savvy, black, good stories to tell (didn't he run into a burning house and save someone?), progressives like him, bipartisan work ethic (working with Rand Paul to fix the mass incarceration crisis), and by the time 2016 comes around he won't have been in the senate long enough to have picked up a dodgy voting record. He's denied that he's going to run of course, but so did Obama at this stage of the game. Hillary has too much baggage and too many skeletons in and out of the closet. Booker's a better bet IMHO.
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Who will be the Republican nominee? Cruz is unelectable. Paul might have some crossover appeal, but will a libertarian carry the yahoo vote? Will we have another clown car?
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:40:29 AM
Who will be the Republican nominee? Cruz is unelectable. Paul might have some crossover appeal, but will a libertarian carry the yahoo vote? Will we have another clown car?
The GOP will have to finish their internal civil war between the Tea Party and the sane people if they're to stand a chance of anyone to the left of Genghis Khan winning their nomination. They have a long way to go before they get back to reality-based politics. Couldn't see that happening this side of 2016.
Here lads Trump's up 20pts in the latest polling data is this actually going to happen??
He runs from one gaffe to the next and seems to be f**king bulletproof in the polling. Is this evidence that a vast amount of Americans are stupid?
Hilary is up even more than and given the operator she is you can't help but think she would wipe the floor with Trump were he to get the nomination. There is a real leadership vacuum in the US at the minute if these 2 are the best on offer!!!
It's only december and the primaries have not yet started. The GOP need someone who can get more than the 40% gop vote . That means reaching out to women and Latinos. Cruz or Rubio would seem to be more likely to manage that.
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
Another couple of terrorist attacks on US soil and ALL logic will go out the window
Secondly, the election is decided by a tiny minority of voters....the swing voters in the swing states
It really doesn't matter what everyone thinks....it matters what these people think
Swing voters are swing because they can display both liberal and conservative attitudes on varying issues. However - since Mr Trump is currently campaigning somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan he removes them from the equation. Republican primary voters are a far different creature from the general election voters. If you have Trump as the GOP nominee, no matter what, the Dems win. But his long term effect could be to permanently swing the Republicans to a racist/extremist position, leaving them out of the Oval office for a generation.
Personally, I think what it is more likely is that the GOP try to do him in by drafting a Romney or someone like that (who loses, but doesn't scare the horses and gives Hilary a tough fight all the way), and he takes a Tea party/freeedom caucus rump into a third party bid.
The republicans are in a very difficult position re San Bernadino, given that if the perps were terrorist, all their rifles, sidearms and munitions were legally acquired. Indeed, I saw a stat today that in the decade after 9/11, over 2,500 people who were on terrorist watch lists were able to legally buy weapons. And they just voted down a bill to exclude those on this list from eligibility for gun permits. They can't be gung ho on dem dar Muslins on one hand, whilst handing them an AK with another. The Dems have at least as much ammo in their magazines.
It is hilarious to watch Trump storming through the weeks and months, telling the mouth breathers what they want to hear, exposing a significant portion of the GOP base, horrifying the powers of the party who would rather all these xenophobic and intolerant sentiments didn't find expression. They keep predicting that the latest faux pas will trigger his downfall, yet here he still is six months later, six weeks before Iowa!
The Clintons are laughing their holes off!
The problem with the no-fly list is that anyone can end up on it through no fault of their own and they don't tell you.
Think Ted Kennedy ran afoul of it!
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it. They believe that a straight talker (his flaws make him seem more down to earth) might deliver. That's why he's still topping polls.
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it. They believe that a straight talker (his flaws make him seem more down to earth) might deliver. That's why he's still topping polls.
They got change.
It's just that certain segments didn't like it ("we want our country back!") and threw a hissy fit and purged their party of anything resembling a moderate or centrist and expressed their bitterness at losing, repeatedly, to Obama by calling him a Kenyan or a muslim or communist etc.
Quote from: J70 on December 04, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it. They believe that a straight talker (his flaws make him seem more down to earth) might deliver. That's why he's still topping polls.
They got change.
It's just that certain segments didn't like it ("we want our country back!") and threw a hissy fit and purged their party of anything resembling a moderate or centrist and expressed their bitterness at losing, repeatedly, to Obama by calling him a Kenyan or a muslim or communist etc.
They got a change alright
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002130303/2835263263_291_ObamaChangeLg_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 04, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it. They believe that a straight talker (his flaws make him seem more down to earth) might deliver. That's why he's still topping polls.
They got change.
It's just that certain segments didn't like it ("we want our country back!") and threw a hissy fit and purged their party of anything resembling a moderate or centrist and expressed their bitterness at losing, repeatedly, to Obama by calling him a Kenyan or a muslim or communist etc.
They got a change alright
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002130303/2835263263_291_ObamaChangeLg_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
;D
Get some psychiatric help! :o
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it.
Quite right. Nothing changed. Unilateralist foreign policy continued and no effort was made to build credible military alliances. There was no economic stimulus. Health care was not reformed. Osama Bin Laden is still at large.
Welcome to the parallel universe of the conservative mind. Abandon all reality all who enter here.
Wasnt here before Osama :P, but America seems like a brutal place to be poor or unprivileged in. Was it worse before?
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 04, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
I thought you liberals would be on board with a Al Sharpton/Kanye West ticket.
President Trump is more realistic. Sounds regal. Can't wait until he starts deporting the illegals and cracking down on crime.
Have you dug out that video of the thousands of Muslims in Jersey?
What about Obama's Kenyan birth certificate have you found that yet?
Do you agree that John McCain who endured endless and insufferable pain for years at the hands of the Vietnamese isn't a war hero?
Do you support Trump's mocking of those with disability and labelling of Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?
The man is a clown at best and a complete asshole at worst definitely someone you want in control of the nukes!!
Having said that I'd nearly prefer he keeps going as he is because while he wins over gun toting racist stone age Christians in the Primaries his antics are not going to play in a general election and Hilary is probably having a chuckle to herself!!
The american people voted for "change" (what a laugh that was) with the Kenyan lad and didn't get it. They believe that a straight talker (his flaws make him seem more down to earth) might deliver. That's why he's still topping polls.
They got change.
It's just that certain segments didn't like it ("we want our country back!") and threw a hissy fit and purged their party of anything resembling a moderate or centrist and expressed their bitterness at losing, repeatedly, to Obama by calling him a Kenyan or a muslim or communist etc.
They got a change alright
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002130303/2835263263_291_ObamaChangeLg_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
;D
Get some psychiatric help! :o
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
Ok then, Name and shame these racists that are running for President for the GOP and tell us why they are a racist!
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
Rancid Culture, apt words for the democrats, they are being bullied into having Hillary Strapon Clinton as their Presidential, a woman that reeks from lies and deceit, Saunders, that biggest eejit of them all handed her the Democratic nomination on a silver platter, I have never seen anything like this democrat political season, they are lying down and taking it up the arse so she gets elected, the country does not trust her and nor should they.
Quote from: screenexile on December 04, 2015, 11:49:18 AM
Here lads Trump's up 20pts in the latest polling data is this actually going to happen??
He runs from one gaffe to the next and seems to be f**king bulletproof in the polling. Is this evidence that a vast amount of Americans are stupid?
Hilary is up even more than and given the operator she is you can't help but think she would wipe the floor with Trump were he to get the nomination. There is a real leadership vacuum in the US at the minute if these 2 are the best on offer!!!
They both suck, she will be the next President if she goes up against Trump and God help this country because she is an incompetent lying bag of shite!
Hillary Strapon Clinton
they are lying down and taking it up the arse so she gets elected
Yep, fairly rancid, like most of your contributions.
And Stew, if you can't recognise the racist/sectarian/misogynistic antics of the Republican GOP nominees, despite the reams of coverage, documentation and denunciation (even to the point that Bill O'Reilly - Bill O'Reilly!!! - is telling Trump to back off his New Jersey Muslim fairytale) then me listing them for you isn't going to help you.
"There are none so blind ....." etc
Oh, and here's what one of the actual clowns in the car thinks of the rest of them
http://gawker.com/i-am-tired-of-this-crap-lindsey-graham-plays-thunderi-1746116881
Fairly damning out of their own mouths.
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 08:08:38 PM
Hillary Strapon Clinton
they are lying down and taking it up the arse so she gets elected
Yep, fairly rancid, like most of your contributions.
And Stew, if you can't recognise the racist/sectarian/misogynistic antics of the Republican GOP nominees, despite the reams of coverage, documentation and denunciation (even to the point that Bill O'Reilly - Bill O'Reilly!!! - is telling Trump to back off his New Jersey Muslim fairytale) then me listing them for you isn't going to help you.
"There are none so blind ....." etc
They are spineless sheep, the democrats are tossing Clinton a softball as they say over here, why not tell the **** she has the nomination and donate the money saved on their charade to charity.
Saunders, if he was serious about beating Clinton would have beaten her over the head about the cover up on Benghazi and the lies she told over her political career!
You cant list them because they do not exist, just because a man wants to build a wall to keep illegal aliens and terrorists out does not make him racist, neither does him wanting to deport 11 million people right away make him a racist, it makes him an idiot on the latter.
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!
Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?
No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 09:11:15 PM
, just because a man wants to build a wall to keep illegal aliens and terrorists out does not make him racist, neither does him wanting to deport 11 million people right away make him a racist, it makes him an idiot on the latter.
Pity the Native Americans didn't build wall to keep the illegal aliens and European tterrorists out 500 years ago.
Or maybe the Trumps have been there for 10/15 k years.
Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!
Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?
No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.
There is no discrimination by police. There have been some high profile incidents which include law breakers being shot.
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
Quote from: foxcommander on December 06, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!
Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?
No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.
FFS read what the left wingnuts have written about the GOP runners, I do not like posters that have Obama in Muslim garb yet I despise Clinton with a passion because of who she is as a human being and I wrote some nasty shit about her.
The vast majority on here know what Clinton is and would vote for her no matter what and calling people racists when you are not able to back it up is disgraceful, but hey, you are lefties so anything goes!
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!
Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?
No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.
FFS read what the left wingnuts have written about the GOP runners, I do not like posters that have Obama in Muslim garb yet I despise Clinton with a passion because of who she is as a human being and I wrote some nasty shit about her.
The vast majority on here know what Clinton is and would vote for her no matter what and calling people racists when you are not able to back it up is disgraceful, but hey, you are lefties so anything goes!
Stop frothing and respond to what I actually wrote.
Show me the racist statements made by the GOP candidates.
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what
I wrote.
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Lets see, hmmmmm, the people that are coming illegally have lots of problems otherwise they would not be coming, some do bring in illegal drugs and are scumbags, so thats sorted, some are the lowest of the low and are rapists and killers and the majority are good people, I fail to see racism here, I see the Donald calling it as it is and I have no gra for the f**ker!
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?
Interesting take on Trump...
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don't be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It's a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We're the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won't change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn't need anyone's help. That means he doesn't care what the media says. He doesn't care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don't you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don't you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don't you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama's clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you're a good old boy, you've got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn't play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That's why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:31:36 PM
Interesting take on Trump...
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One of the main problems with the right in the US is how easily they are taken in by conspiracy loon nonsense as long as it confirms their warped world view.
http://www.snopes.com/bill-bennett-donald-trump-quote/
I'd bet that those on the right would believe anything if it had Bill Bennett's name attached to it, upstanding pillar of moral rectitude that he is. And speaking of Bill Bennett and betting (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/05/benn-m09.html)...
Quote from: dec on December 07, 2015, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:31:36 PM
Interesting take on Trump...
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Huge pile of bullshit deleted
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One of the main problems with the right in the US is how easily they are taken in by conspiracy loon nonsense as long as it confirms their warped world view.
http://www.snopes.com/bill-bennett-donald-trump-quote/
;D ;D ;D
I was wondering what the f**k had happened to Bennett as I was reading that!
He's a fairly partisan Republican/Christian culture warrior for someone who was formerly a Democrat, but every conspiracy theory in the book is being thrown at the wall in that one! And lots of George Soros but no mention of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson and the rest in a rant about Trump being self-funded!
The clincher: President Trump will investigate Obama's college grades?? WTF??!! ;D ;D
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?
Donald Trump has been accused of racism in nearly all the liberal media outlets and deep disquiet has been expressed in the mainstream media and even as far right as Bill O'Reilly. If you don't have the manners to open you eyes and research some of the subjects you feel entirely entitled to spout about, please don't come on here asking people to do the work for you.
Here, does this help Stew? That's some candidate you've got there.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/07/the_donald_ramps_up_the_anti_muslim_bigotry_trump_now_calls_for_total_and_complete_shutdown_of_muslims_entering_the_united_states/
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 07, 2015, 11:59:59 PM
Here, does this help Stew? That's some candidate you've got there.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/07/the_donald_ramps_up_the_anti_muslim_bigotry_trump_now_calls_for_total_and_complete_shutdown_of_muslims_entering_the_united_states/
Apparently it is because of
'the extraordinary influx of hatred & danger coming into our country', he said in a tweet without a hint of irony. Maybe his comic timing is a bit off. As in a lifetime off.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVrmd1hUkAAEETN.jpg)
Donald Trump hasn't always been so worried about Muslim immigrants. Here he is with Rima Fakih, Miss USA 2010.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVsGMVmWoAA86uq.png)i
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?
There are none so blind as those who cannot see. . . type "Donald Trump Racist" into google and you'll see plenty of outcry!!
I'm coming around to the idea that Trump is an agent provocateur for the Dems. If he is 'simply stating what he believes is the truth', then why didn't he say all of this at the start? He's been gradually ratcheting up the bigotry in the manner of someone trying to see just how low he can go. And he's letting everyone see that there are no limits to how low the GOP base can go.
Trump is a sign of the times. Stagnant middle age wages while the rich cream it. Moderate Republicans are a dying breed.
Quote from: Declan on December 08, 2015, 09:05:56 AM
Donald Trump hasn't always been so worried about Muslim immigrants. Here he is with Rima Fakih, Miss USA 2010.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVsGMVmWoAA86uq.png)i
As usual, immigrants doing the jobs no American wants to do.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlf1/t31.0-8/11058660_10208375475975314_8344542264288163238_o.jpg)
Hilary firing a shot across the bows . . . Pretty ballsy campaigning against the Republicans already without the nomination!!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVt3w3WXIAABRG0.png)
Incoming!
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 07, 2015, 10:20:13 PM
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?
Donald Trump has been accused of racism in nearly all the liberal media outlets and deep disquiet has been expressed in the mainstream media and even as far right as Bill O'Reilly. If you don't have the manners to open you eyes and research some of the subjects you feel entirely entitled to spout about, please don't come on here asking people to do the work for you.
Trump flirts with racism but stops just short for me, my eyes are open kid, I do not want him to be President and he wont be, if Clinton can avoid being caught in the lies she tells she is the next President, if that happens I fear for this country because she has no time for it's policing bodies nor her military.
If elected she will move the the center but I still hold out hope bumbling Joe will dip his toe in the muddy waters that is The Democrats Presidential race.
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2015, 05:16:07 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 07, 2015, 10:20:13 PM
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 07, 2015, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2015, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: stew on December 06, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.
Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend! ;D
Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.
You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.
If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.
Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .
"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?
Donald Trump has been accused of racism in nearly all the liberal media outlets and deep disquiet has been expressed in the mainstream media and even as far right as Bill O'Reilly. If you don't have the manners to open you eyes and research some of the subjects you feel entirely entitled to spout about, please don't come on here asking people to do the work for you.
Trump flirts with racism but stops just short for me, my eyes are open kid, I do not want him to be President and he wont be, if Clinton can avoid being caught in the lies she tells she is the next President, if that happens I fear for this country because she has no time for it's policing bodies nor her military.
If elected she will move the the center but I still hold out hope bumbling Joe will dip his toe in the muddy waters that is The Democrats Presidential race.
Why do you hate Hilary so much... is she the first politician to tell a lie? If the lies she told about Benghazi are on the scale you seem to have uncovered surely her 11 hour testimony would have resulted in her being a disgraced Secretary of State not fit to run for the Presidency. I'm still not certain as to why you hate her so much?
As usual Trump is just saying the unthought out thing that the common person is saying. You can say what you want about him but he defo has his finger on the pulse of what the public are thinking, I actually heard more than one person say the same thing over the weekend.
Instead of getting emotionally moral about it I just asked how you would implement that? Would you ban people based on their passport? Yes?, Right that would firstly disclude all Muslim countries obviously like the Saudis and so on, and then also majority Muslim countries like the NATO allies the Turks? So What about significant number of Muslims? That would include Russia where the Boston marathon bombers where from obiviously, and India is the 3rd biggest Muslim country so do they'd all have to get banned. Then you'd probably start on European countries with big Muslim populations, France would have to go, UK, Germany, Belgium, majority of countries in Africa,most of the countries in the world really. By the time your finished the only countries that would be allowed in would be from Latin America. ;)
So once they start to see the rubbish in that implementing that, they start on race. Easy then just ban anyone who looks middle Eastern. The most obvious problem with that is I get Middle Eastern people in California mixed up as Mexicans all the time. Then there is also the fact that only a fraction of Muslims are Middle Eastern and that people of nearly all racial appearance make up the Muslim population.
Then ethnic background checks are proposed for everyone entering the US. Aside from the cost there is obvious problem that you are going to be relying on other countries data which may not be accurate and also more than likely if its like America there would be no info on their religion.
Well couldnt you just ask them they wouldnt deny their religion would they? Hmmmm........?
Its a non starter as a solution and Trump probably hasnt thought it through himself, but sure if he does get elected he would hardly be the first politician not to be able (or even try) to implement what he said he would when elected to power.
Hillary or someone acceptable to an extremist GOP is a pretty grim choice.
Nobody will do anything about staqnant middle class earnings.
the US is in a lot worse state than it was 20 years ago .
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
As usual Trump is just saying the unthought out thing that the common person is saying. You can say what you want about him but he defo has his finger on the pulse of what the public are thinking, I actually heard more than one person say the same thing over the weekend.
Instead of getting emotionally moral about it I just asked how you would implement that? Would you ban people based on their passport? Yes?, Right that would firstly disclude all Muslim countries obviously like the Saudis and so on, and then also majority Muslim countries like the NATO allies the Turks? So What about significant number of Muslims? That would include Russia where the Boston marathon bombers where from obiviously, and India is the 3rd biggest Muslim country so do they'd all have to get banned. Then you'd probably start on European countries with big Muslim populations, France would have to go, UK, Germany, Belgium, majority of countries in Africa,most of the countries in the world really. By the time your finished the only countries that would be allowed in would be from Latin America. ;)
So once they start to see the rubbish in that implementing that, they start on race. Easy then just ban anyone who looks middle Eastern. The most obvious problem with that is I get Middle Eastern people in California mixed up as Mexicans all the time. Then there is also the fact that only a fraction of Muslims are Middle Eastern and that people of nearly all racial appearance make up the Muslim population.
Then ethnic background checks are proposed for everyone entering the US. Aside from the cost there is obvious problem that you are going to be relying on other countries data which may not be accurate and also more than likely if its like America there would be no info on their religion.
Well couldnt you just ask them they wouldnt deny their religion would they? Hmmmm........?
Its a non starter as a solution and Trump probably hasnt thought it through himself, but sure if he does get elected he would hardly be the first politician not to be able (or even try) to implement what he said he would when elected to power.
That is a good line to take with them Joe.
It might also be worth pointing out that the reason we have Al Queda and ISIS is because of Republicans not thinking anything through, in Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2 and long before.
A vote for the GOP is a vote for Gulf War 3. No doubt that will be popular those who live from soundbite to soundbite, but it has to be said to them, because when the 3rd generation of Jihadist terrorists emerge, they need to know that they voted for it. Again.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
As usual Trump is just saying the unthought out thing that the common person is saying. You can say what you want about him but he defo has his finger on the pulse of what the public are thinking, I actually heard more than one person say the same thing over the weekend.
Instead of getting emotionally moral about it I just asked how you would implement that? Would you ban people based on their passport? Yes?, Right that would firstly disclude all Muslim countries obviously like the Saudis and so on, and then also majority Muslim countries like the NATO allies the Turks? So What about significant number of Muslims? That would include Russia where the Boston marathon bombers where from obiviously, and India is the 3rd biggest Muslim country so do they'd all have to get banned. Then you'd probably start on European countries with big Muslim populations, France would have to go, UK, Germany, Belgium, majority of countries in Africa,most of the countries in the world really. By the time your finished the only countries that would be allowed in would be from Latin America. ;)
So once they start to see the rubbish in that implementing that, they start on race. Easy then just ban anyone who looks middle Eastern. The most obvious problem with that is I get Middle Eastern people in California mixed up as Mexicans all the time. Then there is also the fact that only a fraction of Muslims are Middle Eastern and that people of nearly all racial appearance make up the Muslim population.
Then ethnic background checks are proposed for everyone entering the US. Aside from the cost there is obvious problem that you are going to be relying on other countries data which may not be accurate and also more than likely if its like America there would be no info on their religion.
Well couldnt you just ask them they wouldnt deny their religion would they? Hmmmm........?
Its a non starter as a solution and Trump probably hasnt thought it through himself, but sure if he does get elected he would hardly be the first politician not to be able (or even try) to implement what he said he would when elected to power.
Not the "common person" Joe. The average member of the GOP base perhaps. That distinction aside, I agree: Trump is exposing the thoughts of a significant proportion of the GOP base to the world. For those who would claim those people are not prejudiced, well you can't strike gold when it's not there!
And spot on with the ridiculousness of actually trying to put those policies into place!
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Republicans have been here before too Joe. It has been done.
No one ever learns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
Republicans have been here before too Joe. It has been done.
No one ever learns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)
It's only Trump though. Even Cheney, that prince of darkness, spoke out against him.
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
QuoteThe Pentagon on Tuesday rebuffed Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.
"Anything that creates tensions and creates the notion that the United States is at odds with the Muslim faith and Islam would be counterproductive to our efforts right now, and totally contrary to our values," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said.
Asked specifically whether the Pentagon opposed the ban, Cook said, "I'm not going to get into domestic politics."
But, he reiterated, "Anything that tries to challenge American values on this would be certainly something of concern to the Department of Defense, as it would be across the country."
Cook also noted that there were Muslims "serving patriotically in the U.S. military today, as there are people of many faiths."
He also noted that the U.S. was partnering with Muslim nations in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
"Anything that bolsters ISIL's narrative and pits the United States against the Muslim faith is -- is certainly not only contrary to our values, but contrary to our national security," he added, using an alternate name for the group.
I think its safe to say that if this comment was made by DOD referring to literally any other candidate, their campaign would be over by nightfall. However no bother to the big fella, he will truck along happily at this point to be the Republican nominee, or the independent candidate if the GOP feel they can't keep him under control...
Fascinating stuff- there really has never been anything this mental in US politics at this level in 50 years.
Trump is targeting angry white working class voters with his Muslim schtick
this is an interesting analysis of that sort of targeting from the UK . Trump is after latent hostiles and active enmity.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/28/uk-extremists-labour-cultural-economics
"The Searchlight research has broken down attitudes to race, identity, immigration and nation into six groups. On the left are "confident multiculturals" and "mainstream liberals", comprising 24% of the population. On the far right sit "latent hostiles" and "active enmity" (totalling 23%), who share antagonistic attitudes to others and differ only in the degree of their antipathy and tolerance of extremism.
The centre of British politics are the "identity ambivalents" and "cultural integrationists". Cultural integrationists accept diversity as long as there is an integrated national culture, the rule of law, and respect for authority. This is the group to which David Cameron's call for a "muscular liberalism" is targeted. They are a quarter of the population. But the real swing voters are identity ambivalents (28%): economically insecure, worried about their local community, feeling threatened but open-minded and accepting of diversity - as long as their security is not threatened. So they feel more wage and job pressure from immigration, are anxious about their family's financial future, but are, for example, much less likely to think "Muslims create problems in the UK" than cultural integrationists.
Labour's vote is more weighted towards this group than any other. More black and ethnic minority voters are to be found here, and almost half of people who don't identify with a party are also identity ambivalent. And this is why the economics of austerity and fiscal consolidation is so dangerous. A long period of low wages, casualisation of work, unemployment, higher prices, fiscal cuts (many are receiving tax credits), and VAT and fuel duty increases will refract into greater identity anxiety.
Cameron's "muscular liberalism" has little to offer in giving identity ambivalents the greater sense of security they crave. The risk is that significant numbers in this group leapfrog to latent hostility or active enmity."
http://www.fearandhope.org.uk/
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
So once they start to see the rubbish in that implementing that, they start on race. Easy then just ban anyone who looks middle Eastern. The most obvious problem with that is I get Middle Eastern people in California mixed up as Mexicans all the time. Then there is also the fact that only a fraction of Muslims are Middle Eastern and that people of nearly all racial appearance make up the Muslim population.
Free Pork Carnitas at immigration, that should sort the Mexicans from the terrorists. OK you might lose a few vegetarians as well, but that can't be all bad. Then again Trump isn't that keen on Mexicans either, maybe serve vepřo-knedlo-zelo.
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default (http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default)
But seriously HB, chill out. He has no chance.
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
QuoteThe Pentagon on Tuesday rebuffed Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.
"Anything that creates tensions and creates the notion that the United States is at odds with the Muslim faith and Islam would be counterproductive to our efforts right now, and totally contrary to our values," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said.
Asked specifically whether the Pentagon opposed the ban, Cook said, "I'm not going to get into domestic politics."
But, he reiterated, "Anything that tries to challenge American values on this would be certainly something of concern to the Department of Defense, as it would be across the country."
Cook also noted that there were Muslims "serving patriotically in the U.S. military today, as there are people of many faiths."
He also noted that the U.S. was partnering with Muslim nations in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
"Anything that bolsters ISIL's narrative and pits the United States against the Muslim faith is -- is certainly not only contrary to our values, but contrary to our national security," he added, using an alternate name for the group.
I think its safe to say that if this comment was made by DOD referring to literally any other candidate, their campaign would be over by nightfall. However no bother to the big fella, he will truck along happily at this point to be the Republican nominee, or the independent candidate if the GOP feel they can't keep him under control...
Fascinating stuff- there really has never been anything this mental in US politics at this level in 50 years.
Donald Trump will kick out all the illegal immigrants and give America back to it's people after 8 years of incompetence from president Osama. Why wouldn't you vote for that? The change you were promised was a busted flush.
He's going to be awesome.
Hopefully Trump will throw out not only the immigrants but the descendants of immigrants.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 09, 2015, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default (http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default)
But seriously HB, chill out. He has no chance.
Brilliant
When I first came to America the term douchebag was flying around everywhere but no one could really explain to me what it meant or who was a douchebag exactly. But then America decides to give me the perfect example of a douchebag. And then for good measure demonstrates it 24 7 for what must be a good year solid now.
Anyway looks like Trump was one step ahead of me. He's gonna enact his plan by just having a question "Are you Muslim?" at immigration. I am pretty sure that will have a 90-100% failure rate in fulling its aim.
Its feckin gas stuff though, I read the following comment today: "Its like having a youtube comment section running for president"
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 09, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
When I first came to America the term douchebag was flying around everywhere but no one could really explain to me what it meant or who was a douchebag exactly. But then America decides to give me the perfect example of a douchebag. And then for good measure demonstrates it 24 7 for what must be a good year solid now.
Anyway looks like Trump was one step ahead of me. He's gonna enact his plan by just having a question "Are you Muslim?" at immigration. I am pretty sure that will have a 90-100% failure rate in fulling its aim.
Its feckin gas stuff though, I read the following comment today: "Its like having a youtube comment section running for president"
It will save time though
Could add another question - "do you like barck Obama" - if they tick yes deport them.
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 06, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
Hey Foxcommander, now that you're back...
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
She looks a bit roscommon or mayo-esque to me...
Jon Snow put three great questions to a Trump apologist on Channel 4 News last night who was defending the "Ban all Muslims from entering the USA" speech:
1.Should the UK, for instance, ban Americans from entering the country because of the atrocities of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, etc.
2. Why does America keep arming its enemies?
3. If Muslims are to be banned from entering the U.S because of murders of civilians by Muslim terrorists, should Christians be banned from entering because of the murders of American civilians by Christian funamentalist terrorists?
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
She looks a bit roscommon or mayo-esque to me...
Good call to delete your first reply. I won't tell Deiseach what it was if you don't want me to.
I love the outrage re Trump and the failure to acknowledge the fact that the lunatic is ahead in the polls due to the fact that many of the GOP voters hold his beliefs. I'm sure many representatives do too but are too scared to say it.
In one way he is refreshing, he just doesn't give a f**k. Everyone going at him on him just makes him more popular with those who once jumped in with Palin and the likes. They see it as FINALLY their voice is being heard.
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
She looks a bit roscommon or mayo-esque to me...
Good call to delete your first reply. I won't tell Deiseach what it was if you don't want me to.
You can do what you like. I thought it might have been too harsh.
edit - you can squeal on PM like i'm sure you've already done.
The intrigue is killing me...
QuoteJon Snow put three great questions to a Trump apologist on Channel 4 News last night who was defending the "Ban all Muslims from entering the USA" speech:
1.Should the UK, for instance, ban Americans from entering the country because of the atrocities of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, etc.
2. Why does America keep arming its enemies?
3. If Muslims are to be banned from entering the U.S because of murders of civilians by Muslim terrorists, should Christians be banned from entering because of the murders of American civilians by Christian funamentalist terrorists?
Yep - Matt Cooper put similar questions to Cal Thomas on the radio last night. No answers forthcoming other than protect our freedom
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 09, 2015, 02:16:16 PM
I love the outrage re Trump and the failure to acknowledge the fact that the lunatic is ahead in the polls due to the fact that many of the GOP voters hold his beliefs. I'm sure many representatives do too but are too scared to say it.
In one way he is refreshing, he just doesn't give a f**k. Everyone going at him on him just makes him more popular with those who once jumped in with Palin and the likes. They see it as FINALLY their voice is being heard.
But its widely acknowledged that this is the case. It's the only way to explain his six months at the top of the polls.
The GOP hierarchy is worried. It's looking like they might have a huge headache come the general election. Trump ain't "pivoting to the centre" after this. Plus, some of his economic positions, although an afterthought at this point, are the antithesis of the GOP "go easy on the rich and the corporations and f**k the rest" policies.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 09, 2015, 02:16:16 PM
I love the outrage re Trump and the failure to acknowledge the fact that the lunatic is ahead in the polls due to the fact that many of the GOP voters hold his beliefs. I'm sure many representatives do too but are too scared to say it.
In one way he is refreshing, he just doesn't give a f**k. Everyone going at him on him just makes him more popular with those who once jumped in with Palin and the likes. They see it as FINALLY their voice is being heard.
Just goes to show that many Americans are stupid uneducated bigots. . . We all knew it but this has laid it bare for the world to see. He's damaging America in the eyes of the world and the fact he can't see it well it shows how much brains he has as well. Parliament are discussing whether he should be banned from entering the UK. The f**king Pentagon have told him his comments are a danger to National Security!!
He's destroying the Republican Party and it wouldn't surprise me to see a massive split in the party effectively turning the Republicans into 2 parties. There simply isn't room for the spectrum of madness Trump is peddling with a party that could govern a Country.
The Democrats will never ever get an easier election. They could put Weird Al up against Trump and still win!!!
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
It's almost like birtherism doesn't apply to white dudes. But that can't be right. That'd be
racist.
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Origin of birthers was Hillarys campaign (and Obamas own biography)
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/)
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Have you been reading the Donald Trump book of ignorant analogies? The analogy you were reaching for, but that would of course blow your bigoted point out of the water, would be to build a Protestant Church in Derry (assuming the majority of the killer Paras were C of E).
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
She looks a bit roscommon or mayo-esque to me...
Good call to delete your first reply. I won't tell Deiseach what it was if you don't want me to.
You can do what you like. I thought it might have been too harsh.
edit - you can squeal on PM like i'm sure you've already done.
You'll never know, will you? But you could make a partial retrieval by manning up and PM-ing your post to him yourself.
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 04:47:17 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 08, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
I cant find it anywhere but I remember reading somewhere about the physical characteristics that defined people's classification in Apartheid South Africa to White, Black or Coloured. They where ridiculous, things like the angle of shoulder slant and rubbish like that, sometimes siblings were classified in different races.
So if something as objective as physical appearance could not even be defined properly, imagine the impossibility of trying to apply it to something as subjective as religion.
Reminds me of years ago when I went out with a protestant lass from the north for a while. Apparently a protestant stereotype about us catholic types was that you could spot us because our eyes were much closer together! :)
(http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2011/01/1.gif)
She looks a bit roscommon or mayo-esque to me...
Good call to delete your first reply. I won't tell Deiseach what it was if you don't want me to.
You can do what you like. I thought it might have been too harsh.
edit - you can squeal on PM like i'm sure you've already done.
You'll never know, will you? But you could make a partial retrieval by manning up and PM-ing your post to him yourself.
as I said, I don't care. I'll let you squeal like a piggy....
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:24:10 PM
You can do what you like. I thought it might have been too harsh.
edit - you can squeal on PM like i'm sure you've already done.
As it happens, I've heard nothing from Hardy and don't expect to. But you carry on applying your screwed-up values to others.
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/)
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Have you been reading the Donald Trump book of ignorant analogies? The analogy you were reaching for, but that would of course blow your bigoted point out of the water, would be to build a Protestant Church in Derry (assuming the majority of the killer Paras were C of E).
A small sub faction of a large group (the British military) committed an atrocity in Derry
A small faction (jihadists) of a bigger group (Muslims) committed an atrocity on 9/11
It's exactly the same. The majority of Nationalists wouldn't want a memorial to the British Military in their neighborhood and the majority of Americans were against the Islamic Center
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Are you seriously comparing the entire combined sects of Islam to the Parachute Regiment on Bloody Sunday?? :o ;D
And yeah, I have no problem whatsoever with the building of a mosque on Park Row, any more than I have an issue with the islamic centers and buildings all over Queens, where I live (I can think of at least four I drive past every day dropping my kids to daycare). Unfortunately the bigotry has now extended to blocking mosques all over the country.
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Origin of birthers was Hillarys campaign (and Obamas own biography)
It wasn't Hillary's campaign. That is a lie. It was a tiny minority of her diehard supporters in a f**king chain email. It never gained traction until the GOP embraced it, to the level that even Speaker of the House, John Boehner was afraid to discredit it for fear of the tea party and members of his own, elected, fellow House members! The GOP and Fox News were an utter, shameful, disgrace when it came to the birther stuff.
Obama's autobiography - you'll have to explain that one.
Quote from: deiseach on December 09, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 02:24:10 PM
You can do what you like. I thought it might have been too harsh.
edit - you can squeal on PM like i'm sure you've already done.
As it happens, I've heard nothing from Hardy and don't expect to.
Grand so.
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/)
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Have you been reading the Donald Trump book of ignorant analogies? The analogy you were reaching for, but that would of course blow your bigoted point out of the water, would be to build a Protestant Church in Derry (assuming the majority of the killer Paras were C of E).
A small sub faction of a large group (the British military) committed an atrocity in Derry
A small faction (jihadists) of a bigger group (Muslims) committed an atrocity on 9/11
It's exactly the same. The majority of Nationalists wouldn't want a memorial to the British Military in their neighborhood and the majority of Americans were against the Islamic Center
Don't be stupid. The religion of Islam is not present in the US as an organ of an oppressive state.
If it was a memorial to anti-American, violent jihad, yeah, you might have a point.
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
A small sub faction of a large group (the British military) committed an atrocity in Derry
A small faction (jihadists) of a bigger group (Muslims) committed an atrocity on 9/11
It's exactly the same. The majority of Nationalists wouldn't want a memorial to the British Military in their neighborhood and the majority of Americans were against the Islamic Center
You must have agreed with Sammy Wilson then on how the GAA was the IRA at play.
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/)
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Have you been reading the Donald Trump book of ignorant analogies? The analogy you were reaching for, but that would of course blow your bigoted point out of the water, would be to build a Protestant Church in Derry (assuming the majority of the killer Paras were C of E).
A small sub faction of a large group (the British military) committed an atrocity in Derry
A small faction (jihadists) of a bigger group (Muslims) committed an atrocity on 9/11
It's exactly the same. The majority of Nationalists wouldn't want a memorial to the British Military in their neighborhood and the majority of Americans were against the Islamic Center
You're learning well. That's exactly the Trump methodology. Appeal to fear and stoke anger, relying on ignorance.
And just keep shouting statements ("it's exactly the same") without any interest in whether they're true or not.
Of course it's not anywhere near the same. You know this, but just in case you're the only one who doesn't, I'll point it out anyway: The British Military is not an equivalent of "Muslims". An approximate equivalent of Muslims would be Protestants.
The jihadists are, in fact, less representative of Muslims than the Paratroop regiment is of Protestantism. The jihadists have no mandate from Islam as an organised religion and have, to some extent been disowned by mainstream Islam. The Paras were and still are a regiment of the British army, an arm of the British state, whose established religion is Protestantism.
It would be ludicrous for the People of Derry to object to the building of a Church in the Bogside, so tenuous and remote is the link between Protestantism and Bloody Sunday. But ludicrous as it would be, such an objection would make more sense than for Americans to object to the building of a mosque in New York.
[Edit - sorry - posted before I saw the better rebuttals]
That old liberal media is piling into Donald
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It wasn't just a mosque-it was going to be a 15 story Islamic Cultural Center.
So comparing it to building an Anglican Church in the Bogside is pure nonsense- more-like a 15 story British Legion that contained a chapel. How offensive would you find it if that was proposed??
Anyway this was not the place for it...it should never have been proposed in e first place and I'm glad it wasn't built.
Read what the proposed Iman had to say about people who leave Islam
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/818916
Re Trump and also le Pen
http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html
I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...
It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."
Posted by MichaelRosen at 07:56
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
It wasn't just a mosque-it was going to be a 15 story Islamic Cultural Center.
So comparing it to building an Anglican Church in the Bogside is pure nonsense- more-like a 15 story British Legion that contained a chapel. How offensive would you find it if that was proposed??
Anyway this was not the place for it...it should never have been proposed in e first place and I'm glad it wasn't built.
Read what the proposed Iman had to say about people who leave Islam
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/818916
So what if it was a "cultural center", which, by the way, was going to open to all to use?
The British Legion thing is still irrelevant.
By your standard, there should be no catholic churches or catholic schools anywhere near sites of IRA atrocities, because apparently those atrocities are somehow tied to the catholic church.
And the imam, who was proposed for all of three weeks, is entitled to his views and thoughts, as are others entitled to critique them and shun him (presumably he was removed because of such criticism?), unless you are proposing that hate speech laws be extended or implemented where they don't exist? Do you think that the Free Presbyterian Church be restricted in the six counties, given the bigotry of their views? Should the huge christian fundamentalist movement in the states be muzzled?
There is much that is objectionable about islam, before you even consider violent jihad, but as long as individuals obey the law, they should be entitled to practice it like every other religious person. I seriously doubt if placing restrictions on religion on account of stone age or even 1950s mores is a road any right winger really wants to start down.
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 03:57:35 AM
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
QuoteThe Pentagon on Tuesday rebuffed Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.
"Anything that creates tensions and creates the notion that the United States is at odds with the Muslim faith and Islam would be counterproductive to our efforts right now, and totally contrary to our values," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said.
Asked specifically whether the Pentagon opposed the ban, Cook said, "I'm not going to get into domestic politics."
But, he reiterated, "Anything that tries to challenge American values on this would be certainly something of concern to the Department of Defense, as it would be across the country."
Cook also noted that there were Muslims "serving patriotically in the U.S. military today, as there are people of many faiths."
He also noted that the U.S. was partnering with Muslim nations in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
"Anything that bolsters ISIL's narrative and pits the United States against the Muslim faith is -- is certainly not only contrary to our values, but contrary to our national security," he added, using an alternate name for the group.
I think its safe to say that if this comment was made by DOD referring to literally any other candidate, their campaign would be over by nightfall. However no bother to the big fella, he will truck along happily at this point to be the Republican nominee, or the independent candidate if the GOP feel they can't keep him under control...
Fascinating stuff- there really has never been anything this mental in US politics at this level in 50 years.
Donald Trump will kick out all the illegal immigrants and give America back to it's people after 8 years of incompetence from president Osama. Why wouldn't you vote for that? The change you were promised was a busted flush.
He's going to be awesome.
He is an arrogant dickhead and will never be President.
My biggest concern with Trump is that he is a complete reactionary and does not have a level head, he has no filter and he is promising shit that is unconstitutional, like blocking Muslims from coming into the country if they have Visas to be here, I get he is appealing to the lowbrow voters but there are not enough of them to carry him to the Presidency.
The people want a strong leader who will take no shit from Muslim extremists, they want a secure border north and south and they want to know Obama is not flooding the nation with Jihadists.
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 09, 2015, 03:57:35 AM
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
I keep thinking that the Donald has just made *the* mistake that will be the tipping point, but I have been continuously wrong.
At this point, he is the Teflon Don, nothing sticks.
Now he has the US Department of Defense's press secretary saying his statements are "counter to our national security."
QuoteThe Pentagon on Tuesday rebuffed Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.
"Anything that creates tensions and creates the notion that the United States is at odds with the Muslim faith and Islam would be counterproductive to our efforts right now, and totally contrary to our values," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said.
Asked specifically whether the Pentagon opposed the ban, Cook said, "I'm not going to get into domestic politics."
But, he reiterated, "Anything that tries to challenge American values on this would be certainly something of concern to the Department of Defense, as it would be across the country."
Cook also noted that there were Muslims "serving patriotically in the U.S. military today, as there are people of many faiths."
He also noted that the U.S. was partnering with Muslim nations in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
"Anything that bolsters ISIL's narrative and pits the United States against the Muslim faith is -- is certainly not only contrary to our values, but contrary to our national security," he added, using an alternate name for the group.
I think its safe to say that if this comment was made by DOD referring to literally any other candidate, their campaign would be over by nightfall. However no bother to the big fella, he will truck along happily at this point to be the Republican nominee, or the independent candidate if the GOP feel they can't keep him under control...
Fascinating stuff- there really has never been anything this mental in US politics at this level in 50 years.
Donald Trump will kick out all the illegal immigrants and give America back to it's people after 8 years of incompetence from president Osama. Why wouldn't you vote for that? The change you were promised was a busted flush.
He's going to be awesome.
He is an arrogant d**khead and will never be President.
My biggest concern with Trump is that he is a complete reactionary and does not have a level head, he has no filter and he is promising shit that is unconstitutional, like blocking Muslims from coming into the country if they have Visas to be here, I get he is appealing to the lowbrow voters but there are not enough of them to carry him to the Presidency.
The people want a strong leader who will take no shit from Muslim extremists, they want a secure border north and south and they want to know Obama is not flooding the nation with Jihadists.
Amendments can be made to the constitution. Why not if the people vote for it by endorsing President Trump.
The logjam and inaction is by the politicians that are on the corporate payrolls and vote accordingly.
We get that Fine Gael lad McElvanney lining his pockets, these guys do it on a far grander scale.
Now Trump is going to ask Bill Gates to 'close the internet' A lot of GOP people think he is a plant from the Democrats, and he has prior form as a Democrat so who knows.
The man has officially done himself in and his polling numbers are going to head south in the coming weeks.
The GOP is in crisis, by the looks of things. Karl Rove could gather the votes in over a few simple themes over the last decade but the party finds that much harder now. Gay marriage is no longer incendiary, for example. And it's hard to sell the American Dream when voters know it's a joke.
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2015, 08:05:04 PM
The GOP is in crisis, by the looks of things. Karl Rove could gather the votes in over a few simple themes over the last decade but the party finds that much harder now. Gay marriage is no longer incendiary, for example. And it's hard to sell the American Dream when voters know it's a joke.
It would help if the democrats stopped sending clowns like Trump over to eff up the GOP's chances.
The democrats will let them all in, more votes for the law breakers, ach sure when you don't believe in having illegals in the country screw the law of the land and let them in in their droves, more votes for the left further down the line.
What a pity the Native Americans didn't fcuk out all the illegal aliens who broke into their lands 500 years ago.
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2015, 07:57:46 PM
Now Trump is going to ask Bill Gates to 'close the internet' A lot of GOP people think he is a plant from the Democrats, and he has prior form as a Democrat so who knows.
The man has officially done himself in and his polling numbers are going to head south in the coming weeks.
If he is a plant from the Democrats why are so many Republican primary voters saying they support him?
Quote from: dec on December 09, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2015, 07:57:46 PM
Now Trump is going to ask Bill Gates to 'close the internet' A lot of GOP people think he is a plant from the Democrats, and he has prior form as a Democrat so who knows.
The man has officially done himself in and his polling numbers are going to head south in the coming weeks.
If he is a plant from the Democrats why are so many Republican primary voters saying they support him?
Suddenly it all makes sense. All those mornings on Fox and Friends frothing about the birth cert. It was all to benefit Obama and the Clintons! ;D
The Daily Show nailing it as usual!!! Even without Jon Stewart . . .
http://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/video-the-daily-shows-response-to-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-tirade-was-perfect/522748
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 09, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
The Republicans are reaping what they've sewn over the past 7 years. They embraced the tea party and the birthers and the "no mosque at Ground Zero" crowd.
Let them choke on it!
(One does wonder where the birthers are now with Ted Cruz polling high?!)
lol-you really think building a mosque/Islamic Center a couple of blocks was from the World Trade Center was a good idea ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-scholar-dont-build-islamic-center/)
Maybe you should suggest building a monument to the Parachute Regiment in the Bogside while you are at it!! You can't tarnish all Paratroopers with the same brush you know.....only a very small minority shot civilians dead during Bloody Sunday
Have you been reading the Donald Trump book of ignorant analogies? The analogy you were reaching for, but that would of course blow your bigoted point out of the water, would be to build a Protestant Church in Derry (assuming the majority of the killer Paras were C of E).
A small sub faction of a large group (the British military) committed an atrocity in Derry
A small faction (jihadists) of a bigger group (Muslims) committed an atrocity on 9/11
It's exactly the same. The majority of Nationalists wouldn't want a memorial to the British Military in their neighborhood and the majority of Americans were against the Islamic Center
It was Saudis who carried out 911.
Despite funding ISIS and other Jihadists, Saudi remains an 'ally'.
If the Saudis wanted to build a mosque in Central Park the GOP would let them.
Quote from: dec on December 09, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2015, 07:57:46 PM
Now Trump is going to ask Bill Gates to 'close the internet' A lot of GOP people think he is a plant from the Democrats, and he has prior form as a Democrat so who knows.
The man has officially done himself in and his polling numbers are going to head south in the coming weeks.
If he is a plant from the Democrats why are so many Republican primary voters saying they support him?
It's not like they have not done that before...................... and the electorate are sheep.
In related news, that aul bigot Jimmy Carter agrees with the Donald that Muslims should be banned from coming into America, he should know, he has prior form at the same craic! ;)
Yes, banned them all, "unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/)
That's exactly the same as what Trump is proposing.
Not to mention Bernies essay about women enjoying getting gang raped-hypocrisy is a fvckin joke
Wow - instead of dealing with the issue that Donald Trump is a racist, fascist demagogue who is currently being supported by 30% of the Republican party, and who has dragged the field (although there was not much dragging on some of them) destructively to the right, we get this from our more conservative minded posters -
Trump is a fascist, because Obama
Republicans are anti muslim, because the 9/11 mosque
Republicans are racist, because, you know, the Democrats were first
I never knew just how deeply Fox News talking points embed themselves into the skull. Well done lads, you've completely ignored the causes and ramifications of Trump's deeply disgusting charade.
Do you know what, I think Trump is just a bluffing narcissist who has gone too far and doesn't know how to stop. He loves praise and he found an easy way of getting it. I'd say he never thought that he'd get this far, that he could run as an outsider and spend his maverick credit for the next four years saying "I told you so".
What he didn't count on was 30% of a major political party drinking his Kool Aid quite as enthusiastically as they did. Whatever happens now with Trump, the GOP as it stands is dead - and in the next election cycle we will see what happens to the remnants after the split.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 10, 2015, 12:28:33 AM
Yes, banned them all, "unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/)
That's exactly the same as what Trump is proposing.
It isn't really the same. If a nation is in a state of conflict with you then not admitting its citizens is fairly routine.
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 12:14:51 AM
Quote from: dec on December 09, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 09, 2015, 07:57:46 PM
Now Trump is going to ask Bill Gates to 'close the internet' A lot of GOP people think he is a plant from the Democrats, and he has prior form as a Democrat so who knows.
The man has officially done himself in and his polling numbers are going to head south in the coming weeks.
If he is a plant from the Democrats why are so many Republican primary voters saying they support him?
It's not like they have not done that before...................... and the electorate are sheep.
In related news, that aul bigot Jimmy Carter agrees with the Donald that Muslims should be banned from coming into America, he should know, he has prior form at the same craic! ;)
Pathetic.
Trump is not proposing placing restrictions on a nation after undergoing a revolution hostile to the US and holding US hostages. He is proposing barring ALL members of a worldwide religion.
Jaysus it gets better... he's just thanked "Respected columnist Katie Hopkins for her powerful writing on the UK's Muslim problems."
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Benjamin Netanyahu 'rejects' Donald Trump's comments regarding Muslims and says Israel 'respects all citizens' rights'
Benjamin Netanyahu has joined a long list of international leaders to reject Donald Trump's comments about Muslims, while championing Israel's "respect" for all religions and citizens' rights.
The Israeli Prime Minister released a statement saying he will still meet with the Republican Presidential candidate for previously scheduled talks later this month but does not "endorse his views".
"The State of Israel respects all religions and strictly guarantees the rights of all its citizens.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-rejects-donald-trumps-comments-on-muslims-and-says-israel-respects-all-citizens-a6767026.html
Donald Trump Postpones Planned Israel Visit
Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump announced on Twitter on Thursday that he will not be coming to Israel at the end of the month as planned.
The real estate mogul, who was due to arrive in Israel on December 28, wrote on Twitter that he has decided "to postpone my trip to Israel and to schedule my meeting with [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu at a later date after I become President of the U.S."
According to unconfirmed reports in the Israeli media, Trump was planning during his trip to Israel to visit the Temple Mount – a flashpoint holy site which has been the center of clashes between Palestinians and Israeli security forces in the past.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.691126?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.691126?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
New poll today shows his report up to 35% in the GOP primaries! The more he turns up the crazy, the more his support grows, although this latest poll was done before the latest "proposal" on muslims.
Iowa is about six weeks away. He may just do it!
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
New poll today shows his report up to 35% in the GOP primaries! The more he turns up the crazy, the more his support grows, although this latest poll was done before the latest "proposal" on muslims.
Iowa is about six weeks away. He may just do it!
I think there is very little doubt he is their candidate barring some major miracle...
Are there no grounds for kicking him out of the GOP? Surely the damage he's doing to the party overall can be seen by the clear headed people in there (I assume there are still many who are not necessarily conservative but are in the GOP because they oppose Government interference). Also do the Bush's have no clout in there any more to stop this nonsense?
Could we have a West Wing type scenario where we will see nominees being sprung from the Convention? Yes he has quite a bit of support with the die hard backward nutjobs (Of which there seem to nearly be 40% in the GOP) but are the rest not ridiculously opposed to what he is doing? They need a strong moderate to lead the Party into the next election because if Trump gets in they're goosed for a long long time no matter what Hilary does!
I'm still not convinced he believes half the shit he says. He is just such an attention whore/egomaniac and expert at hype and so desperate to be president that he is willing to debase himself and tell the rubes what they want to hear. And if he loses, it's not like he has nothing to fall back on.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 10, 2015, 01:56:08 PM
Benjamin Netanyahu 'rejects' Donald Trump's comments regarding Muslims and says Israel 'respects all citizens' rights'
Benjamin Netanyahu has joined a long list of international leaders to reject Donald Trump's comments about Muslims, while championing Israel's "respect" for all religions and citizens' rights.
The Israeli Prime Minister released a statement saying he will still meet with the Republican Presidential candidate for previously scheduled talks later this month but does not "endorse his views".
"The State of Israel respects all religions and strictly guarantees the rights of all its citizens.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/benjamin-netanyahu-rejects-donald-trumps-comments-on-muslims-and-says-israel-respects-all-citizens-a6767026.html
Donald Trump Postpones Planned Israel Visit
Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump announced on Twitter on Thursday that he will not be coming to Israel at the end of the month as planned.
The real estate mogul, who was due to arrive in Israel on December 28, wrote on Twitter that he has decided "to postpone my trip to Israel and to schedule my meeting with [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu at a later date after I become President of the U.S."
According to unconfirmed reports in the Israeli media, Trump was planning during his trip to Israel to visit the Temple Mount – a flashpoint holy site which has been the center of clashes between Palestinians and Israeli security forces in the past.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.691126?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.691126?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook
Like f**k it does. Israel is a racist country where only Jews have full rights.
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
New poll today shows his report up to 35% in the GOP primaries! The more he turns up the crazy, the more his support grows, although this latest poll was done before the latest "proposal" on muslims.
Iowa is about six weeks away. He may just do it!
35% is social classes D and E. The GOP need to get the message out to women and minorities in Classes A,B and C to make a stab at the Presidency. Baiting Muslims will not manage to close the gap on the Dems.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2015, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 10, 2015, 12:28:33 AM
Yes, banned them all, "unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/jimmy-carter-barred-iranians/2015/12/09/id/705127/)
That's exactly the same as what Trump is proposing.
It isn't really the same. If a nation is in a state of conflict with you then not admitting its citizens is fairly routine.
Sorry, wasn't clear enough. The last sentence was supposed to be sarcastic, for the reason you outlined.
I'm sticking with the false flag theory.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 10, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
I'm sticking with the false flag theory.
A few of those on Gaaboard too.
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
New poll today shows his report up to 35% in the GOP primaries! The more he turns up the crazy, the more his support grows, although this latest poll was done before the latest "proposal" on muslims.
Iowa is about six weeks away. He may just do it!
Here is what is going to happen, he will end up running as an Independent after he fails to get the required number of Delegates votes, the establishment in the GOP will make sure of this and he will take a huff, tell them to feck of and run on his own, this gives victory to Clinton unless she is in prison and the democrats have one of their own destroy the hopes of the conservatives in this country.
35% is mind blowing for this clown.
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
The only people who care about shite like Benghazi are the same warped people who are going to vote for Trump.
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
New poll today shows his report up to 35% in the GOP primaries! The more he turns up the crazy, the more his support grows, although this latest poll was done before the latest "proposal" on muslims.
Iowa is about six weeks away. He may just do it!
Don't despair J70 - Iowa isn't a reliable predictor of where the nomination will go - check out the winners where there wasn't an incumbent Republican president -
2012 - Santorum (though he was statistically level with Romney)
2008 - Huckabee
2000 - Dubya
1996 - Bob Dole
1988 - Bob Dole
1980 - George HW Bush
1976 - Gerald Ford
4 out of 7 Iowa winners have failed to clinch the nomination - and it's not long odds that Trump doesn't even get to the primary as a Republican.
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
The only people who care about shite like Benghazi are the same warped people who are going to vote for Trump.
You obviously dont know too many people who serve in the military if your willing to make a statement like that
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Several of her emails have come out since she testified that directly contradicts her testimony (which was under oath). This is by no means a dead issue
http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/hillary-clintons-most-repugnant-lie/
http://m.therightscoop.com/new-email-shows-pentagon-asked-hillary-to-let-them-send-help-to-benghazi-proving-leon-panetta-lied/
Quote from: whitey on December 10, 2015, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Several of her emails have come out since she testified that directly contradicts her testimony (which was under oath). This is by no means a dead issue
http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/hillary-clintons-most-repugnant-lie/
http://m.therightscoop.com/new-email-shows-pentagon-asked-hillary-to-let-them-send-help-to-benghazi-proving-leon-panetta-lied/
It's a live issue in the GOP echo chamber but nobody else cares, Whitey. You have to get the female vote to get the presidency and Benghazi is just an embarrassment.
Remember Rove in 2012 ? It's going to be far worse this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk
Cuyahoga couny, coyahoga couny
Quote from: whitey on December 10, 2015, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Several of her emails have come out since she testified that directly contradicts her testimony (which was under oath). This is by no means a dead issue
http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/hillary-clintons-most-repugnant-lie/
http://m.therightscoop.com/new-email-shows-pentagon-asked-hillary-to-let-them-send-help-to-benghazi-proving-leon-panetta-lied/
Apparently the email wasn't so revealing after all: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262756-new-email-splits-benghazi-committee (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262756-new-email-splits-benghazi-committee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZuNHODBHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZuNHODBHk)
Wait till the US delegation gets back from the Paris Climate Conference having finally accepted the reality of anthropogenic climate change and signed up to billions in aid to developing countries and real restrictions on America's polluting industries and gas guzzlers. That'll go down well with the Trumpeteers.
https://youtu.be/XwSOAfBWGOA
Why are teenage girls in Syria and Iraq fighting ISIS when hundreds of thousands of men of fighting age flee to Europe?
Cowards, they should be fighting these bastards if they are physically fir enough to do so and why are the bastard Saudis sitting on their hands?
The bastard Saudis are supporting/ funding ISIS just like the West did earlier.
The Syrian men who are fleeing ISIS are trying to save their and their families' lives by getting to fcuk out of a war.
Why didn't you stay in the North and fight the Brits?
Why do you spout so much nonsense on here?
You've sadly gone right wing but job native it seems :-[
Six months and still no sign of fading!
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Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible bastard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible b**tard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Was she a Governor? Didn't know that.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
The b**tard Saudis are supporting/ funding ISIS just like the West did earlier.
The Syrian men who are fleeing ISIS are trying to save their and their families' lives by getting to fcuk out of a war.
Why didn't you stay in the North and fight the Brits?
Why do you spout so much nonsense on here?
You've sadly gone right wing but job native it seems :-[
Britain never declared war on Ireland you bollocks, nor we them! Have you ever set foot in Ireland?
I was never an IRA fan and voted for independent candidates or the SDLP. If Britain had declared war I would have went to war as would many on here.
You are a far left wing nut, why?
Quote from: muppet on December 11, 2015, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible b**tard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Was she a Governor? Didn't know that.
Sorry, Senator :-[
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
The b**tard Saudis are supporting/ funding ISIS just like the West did earlier.
The Syrian men who are fleeing ISIS are trying to save their and their families' lives by getting to fcuk out of a war.
Why didn't you stay in the North and fight the Brits?
Why do you spout so much nonsense on here?
You've sadly gone right wing but job native it seems :-[
Britain never declared war on Ireland you bollocks, nor we them! Have you ever set foot in Ireland?
I was never an IRA fan and voted for independent candidates or the SDLP. If Britain had declared war I would have went to war as would many on here.
You are a far left wing nut, why?
I'm not a bollocks.
I've lived almost all my life in Ireland.
I'm a centrist social democrat - Although that's loony left in white US terms I suppose.
And it's " I would have GONE" not " would have went" ;)
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible b**tard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Benghazi and Vince Foster/murder and fact in the one paragraph.
Get some help stew.
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2015, 11:01:35 PM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible b**tard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Benghazi and Vince Foster/murder and fact in the one paragraph.
Get some help stew.
Aye you are right, she is a snow queen, pure as the driven snow, the Clinton's are shysters but hey, they are liberals so who care's right? And I need the help! ::)
Hil vs the GOP
It-s the lesser of 2 evils
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2015, 11:01:35 PM
Quote from: stew on December 11, 2015, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 10, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 10, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: stew on December 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2015, 08:42:38 PM
Clinton will win regardless of who is nominated or running to oppose her. This is a dream scenario for the Democrats. Should own the White House for 16 years straight now.
She has serious issues on trust and her tenure as SOS, she is seen as hard on the police and not a fan of the military, she has lied out her arse about Benghazi and she has a Democrat leading the polls in the GOP by a country mile, yep, she is the next President, the people are that stupid.
If elected she will go down as one of the worst Presidents the yanks ever had in my opinion.
When, to who and about what?
Three questions that 10 (count 'em) governmental. departmental and congressional enquiries (some of them rabidly partisan) have been unable to answer.
If she has lied about Benghazi, give an example and back it up by referencing where it was exposed. Otherwise you're just lying over and and over. Much like your fictional nemesis, Hillary "Strap-On" Clinton (TM Stew)
Benghazi is just about the only theme the GOP have. It's pathetic. Swiftboats worked but that was against Kerry 12 years ago, before Lehman.
First of all, I consider her the Thatcher of the USA, she is a horrible b**tard in my opinion that has no regard for the American people, she has blood on her hands from her time as SOS, she lied to the parents of the dead in Benghazi, had over 500 emails from the top man who begged for help, the special forces were ready to get them out and she said no! Fact.
You are naive if you think that is all the GOP has, her murdered former business partner/lover will come up, many think she or bubba had a hand in that, their Foundation takes lots of money from the Saudis whose record on human rights is the worst in the world, or among them, especially against women.
Her time as secretary of State was a disaster and she did a shitty job as a Governor, the list goes on and on, she is a lying sack but hey, she is a leftie so we will put aside the fact she is a lying sack, bend over and vote for a lying cancer with blood on her hands.
Benghazi and Vince Foster/murder and fact in the one paragraph.
Get some help stew.
Aye you are right, she is a snow queen, pure as the driven snow, the Clinton's are shysters but hey, they are liberals so who care's right? And I need the help! ::)
Where did I say she is the snow queen?
Criticize away. She is a hypocrite like most other politicians. You may have legitimate issues with her platform. The conspiracy theory, cloak and dagger stuff just sounds stupid though.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150)
Donald Trump in Twitter spat with Saudi Prince Alwaleed
A Saudi prince has described US businessman Donald Trump, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, as a "disgrace to America".
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said on Twitter that Mr Trump should give up his presidential ambitions because he would never win.
It follows Mr Trump's call for Muslims to be barred from entering the US for security reasons.
Mr Trump responded by accusing the prince of wanting to use what he called "daddy's money" to control US politicians.
That would not happen, Mr Trump said, when he got elected.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129)
Donald Trump 'started out with $1m loan' from father
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said he got his start in business with a "small" $1m loan from his father.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, voters asked the flamboyant businessman to show some humility and common ground with average Americans.
Mr Trump said he "often drives himself" and recently ate at McDonald's.
His father Fred was a successful real estate developer who gave him seed money to begin investments.
"It has not been easy for me," said Mr Trump.
"And I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of $1m. I came into Manhattan and I had to pay him back, and I had to pay him back with interest."
Trump seems to be doing well in polls
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150)
Donald Trump in Twitter spat with Saudi Prince Alwaleed
A Saudi prince has described US businessman Donald Trump, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, as a "disgrace to America".
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said on Twitter that Mr Trump should give up his presidential ambitions because he would never win.
It follows Mr Trump's call for Muslims to be barred from entering the US for security reasons.
Mr Trump responded by accusing the prince of wanting to use what he called "daddy's money" to control US politicians.
That would not happen, Mr Trump said, when he got elected.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129)
Donald Trump 'started out with $1m loan' from father
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said he got his start in business with a "small" $1m loan from his father.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, voters asked the flamboyant businessman to show some humility and common ground with average Americans.
Mr Trump said he "often drives himself" and recently ate at McDonald's.
His father Fred was a successful real estate developer who gave him seed money to begin investments.
"It has not been easy for me," said Mr Trump.
"And I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of $1m. I came into Manhattan and I had to pay him back, and I had to pay him back with interest."
Yeah, he had it tough. Grew up in one of the wealthiest areas of Queens and was spotted $1 million 40 years ago by his auld fella to get him started.
Quote from: muppet on December 12, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150)
Donald Trump in Twitter spat with Saudi Prince Alwaleed
A Saudi prince has described US businessman Donald Trump, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, as a "disgrace to America".
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said on Twitter that Mr Trump should give up his presidential ambitions because he would never win.
It follows Mr Trump's call for Muslims to be barred from entering the US for security reasons.
Mr Trump responded by accusing the prince of wanting to use what he called "daddy's money" to control US politicians.
That would not happen, Mr Trump said, when he got elected.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34641129)
Donald Trump 'started out with $1m loan' from father
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said he got his start in business with a "small" $1m loan from his father.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, voters asked the flamboyant businessman to show some humility and common ground with average Americans.
Mr Trump said he "often drives himself" and recently ate at McDonald's.
His father Fred was a successful real estate developer who gave him seed money to begin investments.
"It has not been easy for me," said Mr Trump.
"And I started off in Brooklyn, my father gave me a small loan of $1m. I came into Manhattan and I had to pay him back, and I had to pay him back with interest."
Arrogant bastard, "a small loan of 1 million" Twat.
This boyo Trump has a lot of money about him I hear. Surely to f**k he could afford a better wig?
f**k sake man
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Hil vs the GOP
It-s the lesser of 2 evils
Funny the way ye all always fall on the side of the dems though, every time, that is a cowardly way out to justify your support for a tr**p like Clinton.
Quote from: stew on December 13, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Hil vs the GOP
It-s the lesser of 2 evils
Funny the way ye all always fall on the side of the dems though, every time, that is a cowardly way out to justify your support for a tr**p like Clinton.
Policies?
Lesser of two evils?
I personally couldn't give a f**k if Hillary is a horrible person. Her policy proposals and views suck a lot less than the GOPs. Ergo she will get my vote and contributions if she is the Democratic nominee.
Quote from: J70 on December 13, 2015, 02:18:45 AM
Quote from: stew on December 13, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Hil vs the GOP
It-s the lesser of 2 evils
Funny the way ye all always fall on the side of the dems though, every time, that is a cowardly way out to justify your support for a tr**p like Clinton.
Policies?
Lesser of two evils?
I personally couldn't give a f**k if Hillary is a horrible person. Her policy proposals and views suck a lot less than the GOPs. Ergo she will get my vote and contributions if she is the Democratic nominee.
Hill is bought by Wall St. The US needs a new economic model where the national wealth doesn't trickle up to the 0.01% incessantly. The status quo is ultra dangerous.
Someone like Ike is required.
Quote from: stew on December 13, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Hil vs the GOP
It-s the lesser of 2 evils
Funny the way ye all always fall on the side of the dems though, every time, that is a cowardly way out to justify your support for a tr**p like Clinton.
Do you ever read anything you write?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/13/donald-trump-ted-cruz-maniac-iowa-polls-independent-candidate
Donald Trump on Sunday threatened to run as an independent presidential candidate, as Republican backlash over his proposed ban on Muslim immigration coincided with signs of him slipping in the crucial battle for Iowa.
The once dominant frontrunner is now 10 percentage points behind conservative rival Ted Cruz in the state, according to a Des Moines Register-Bloomberg poll that saw Trump slide to second just 49 days before the Iowa caucus on 1 February.
Cruz is just as big a tool as Trump....I fvckin give up at this point
Quote from: whitey on December 13, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Cruz is just as big a tool as Trump....I fvckin give up at this point
Apparently he is despised by his colleagues. And I'm not talking about Democrats.
Quote from: whitey on December 13, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Cruz is just as big a tool as Trump....I fvckin give up at this point
what about Rubio?
There are two possibilities.
1 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by the Clintons to damage the GOP brand.
2 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by republicans to make their own candidates look moderate by comparison. This would be invalidated if he runs as an independent and hands the White House to Clinton.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 14, 2015, 12:03:29 AM
There are two possibilities.
1 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by the Clintons to damage the GOP brand.
2 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by republicans to make their own candidates look moderate by comparison. This would be invalidated if he runs as an independent and hands the White House to Clinton.
Why would he be a false flag ? The GOP is in disarray and has been since Romney lost.
Quote from: seafoid on December 13, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 13, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Cruz is just as big a tool as Trump....I fvckin give up at this point
what about Rubio?
Rubio has made some pretty stupid statements re abortion, so the War on Women machine would go into full swing
Christie would be my choice.....a red governor in a blue state.....well used to compromising and reaching a cross the aisle to make deals.
Unfortunately since W got elected, neither side is willing to give an inch.
As unpopular as they were to many (on the opposite side) both Regan and Clinton spent a large chunk of their presidencies without an majority in either the House or Senate....Regan had to work it out with Tip O Neill and Clinton had to work it out with Newt
I was thinking Rubio is the only one that has a hope of giving the presidential bid a rattle, dont know that much about him but he could cut a massive swathe of the electorate on ethnicity alone, for example he could be in with a shout of taking California and New Mexico, plus he seems fairly sensible.
But then, the last 4 elections have been won, not by compromising but by retoric and issuing rallying calls. No better exemplified by Obama taking places like North Carolina where he got the (massive) black vote out, which normally wouldn't vote at all in large numbers. So if this pattern where to continue both Hillary and Rubio would struggle. And scary as it seems (to alot of you), if it where to continue Trump would actually have a real shout, which I would actually personally find hilarious.
Quote from: seafoid on December 13, 2015, 08:59:20 AM
Hill is bought by Wall St. The US needs a new economic model where the national wealth doesn't trickle up to the 0.01% incessantly. The status quo is ultra dangerous.
Someone like Ike is required.
Are you saying Capitol Hill? Or Hilary Clinton?
Quote from: heganboy on December 14, 2015, 05:12:35 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 13, 2015, 08:59:20 AM
Hill is bought by Wall St. The US needs a new economic model where the national wealth doesn't trickle up to the 0.01% incessantly. The status quo is ultra dangerous.
Someone like Ike is required.
Are you saying Capitol Hill? Or Hilary Clinton?
It's both but Hill Is bought and won't change anything So she Will Be a waste of 4 years
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 14, 2015, 12:03:29 AM
There are two possibilities.
1 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by the Clintons to damage the GOP brand.
2 - Trump is a false flag operation engineered by republicans to make their own candidates look moderate by comparison. This would be invalidated if he runs as an independent and hands the White House to Clinton.
There have been meetings by the GOP top brass to stop Trump from getting the nomination, I have no gra for the f**ker but he deserves to be treated fairly even if he is a plant, which I think he may well be.
Unless the FBI arrest the hoor she is the next President and I hope you are all happy when she fucks this country up more than Obamination ever did.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 14, 2015, 05:09:40 AM
I was thinking Rubio is the only one that has a hope of giving the presidential bid a rattle, dont know that much about him but he could cut a massive swathe of the electorate on ethnicity alone, for example he could be in with a shout of taking California and New Mexico, plus he seems fairly sensible.
But then, the last 4 elections have been won, not by compromising but by retoric and issuing rallying calls. No better exemplified by Obama taking places like North Carolina where he got the (massive) black vote out, which normally wouldn't vote at all in large numbers. So if this pattern where to continue both Hillary and Rubio would struggle. And scary as it seems (to alot of you), if it where to continue Trump would actually have a real shout, which I would actually personally find hilarious.
Hilarious eh, will it be funny when he drops the bomb on the middle east, the man is a disaster.
Looks like the Trump thing is starting to wobble. . . not sure it's a good thing as Cruz looks every but as right wing but has a better/gentler way of saying it!!!
He would definitely be more politically savvy than Trump come the General Election that's for sure!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?_r=0)
Stew is going to love this!
(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/056c026d-1c66-4d42-9fae-a8e96df290c5-1020x9021.jpg?zoom=2&w=100%25)
Trump doesn't have a hope. The more extremist his statements the smaller his GOP base. Being conservative doesn't mean being a bigot or a racist or worse. The GOP need to reach out to women and Hispanics in 2016 and Trump can't do it.
A lying poll on politicians lying, nothing to see here.
Quote from: stew on December 14, 2015, 10:36:07 PM
A lying poll on politicians lying, nothing to see here.
So the editor of Politifact, a website dedicated to fact checking politicians, and someone who shared a Pulitzer for calling out politicians on their bullshit in the 2008 election, is a liar?
Or is the presence of Trump and Carson at the top of their list your problem?
Quote from: J70 on December 14, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: stew on December 14, 2015, 10:36:07 PM
A lying poll on politicians lying, nothing to see here.
So the editor of Politifact, a website dedicated to fact checking politicians, and someone who shared a Pulitzer for calling out politicians on their bullshit in the 2008 election, is a liar?
Or is the presence of Trump and Carson at the top of their list your problem?
Its a pile of rubbish because it doesnt weight the lies in terms of how serious they are or their potential impact on National Security or the wallet of the American taxpayer.
Eg Donald Trump said there were thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11/2001 which was untrue, but there were probably a couple of dozen verifiable reports of Muslims celebrating in the Metro NYC area at that time.
An exxageration by Trump yes, but thats actually how it was reported at the time.
Compare that with Mr Obamas "if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan....period" line during the last election. If people actually knew that this was a flat out lie and that millions would in fact lose their health coverage, or its cost would skyrocket the election out come may in fact have been much closer
(Not to mention George W Bushs ......WMD bullshit and the hundreds of thousands of lives and the trillions of dollars it cost)
Or Bill Clinton for that matter committing perjury, while being questioned under oath. Thats HUGE. Top law enforcement officer in the land lying while giving evicence under oath.
Perjury is taken very seriously over here......just look at David Drumm.....and he wasnt even convicted
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
Time to turn the mirth up to 11. Paul Krugman has an entertaining take on the Trump phenomenon that has the bonus of coming from Paul Krugman who always makes certain GOP types go into complete meltdown.
QuoteThe Donald and the Chump Factor
DECEMBER 15, 2015 4:12 AM December 15, 2015 4:12 am (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body)
I suppose there are still some people waiting for Trump's bubble to burst — any day now! But it keeps not happening. And it's becoming increasingly plausible that he will go all the way. Why?
One answer — probably the most important — is what Greg Sargent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/11/who-is-the-authenticity-candidate-of-2016-yup-its-donald-trump/) has been emphasizing: the majority of Republican voters actually support Trump's policy positions. After all, he's just saying outright what mainstream candidates have implied through innuendo; how are voters supposed to know that this isn't what you do?
I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it's very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing.
Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. Consider, as a weird, self-aggrandizing, but I think relevant observation, what has happened to supposedly smart guys who predicted soaring interest rates and runaway inflation 6 or 7 years ago. Almost none of them have conceded that they were wrong, and should have done more homework. Instead, many of them — especially the academics — have become ever more obsessed with claiming that they were somehow right, and/or trying to tear down the reputations of those of us who were in fact right. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren't.
Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, "Wow, he's not a serious person! What was I thinking?"
And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump's very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.
To make another analogy, it's a "When Prophecy Fails" sort of situation.
And this also suggests that even if Trump does finally decline, his support is likely to flow not to an establishment candidate but to another outsider figure. Everyone who knows Ted Cruz well hates him; in this environment that probably enhances his appeal.
The general election will, of course, be quite different. But it's getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control.
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Time to turn the mirth up to 11. Paul Krugman has an entertaining take on the Trump phenomenon that has the bonus of coming from Paul Krugman who always makes certain GOP types go into complete meltdown.
QuoteThe Donald and the Chump Factor
DECEMBER 15, 2015 4:12 AM December 15, 2015 4:12 am (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body)
I suppose there are still some people waiting for Trump's bubble to burst — any day now! But it keeps not happening. And it's becoming increasingly plausible that he will go all the way. Why?
One answer — probably the most important — is what Greg Sargent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/11/who-is-the-authenticity-candidate-of-2016-yup-its-donald-trump/) has been emphasizing: the majority of Republican voters actually support Trump's policy positions. After all, he's just saying outright what mainstream candidates have implied through innuendo; how are voters supposed to know that this isn't what you do?
I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it's very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing.
Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. Consider, as a weird, self-aggrandizing, but I think relevant observation, what has happened to supposedly smart guys who predicted soaring interest rates and runaway inflation 6 or 7 years ago. Almost none of them have conceded that they were wrong, and should have done more homework. Instead, many of them — especially the academics — have become ever more obsessed with claiming that they were somehow right, and/or trying to tear down the reputations of those of us who were in fact right. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren't.
Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, "Wow, he's not a serious person! What was I thinking?"
And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump's very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.
To make another analogy, it's a "When Prophecy Fails" sort of situation.
And this also suggests that even if Trump does finally decline, his support is likely to flow not to an establishment candidate but to another outsider figure. Everyone who knows Ted Cruz well hates him; in this environment that probably enhances his appeal.
The general election will, of course, be quite different. But it's getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control.
"its getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control". That is the big kahuna. The GOP is in chaos.
Oh happy days.
They need to move away from NRA style positioning and move back towards the centre , where the voters are. Moderate Republicans are almost extinct.
Quote from: whitey on December 15, 2015, 02:55:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 14, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: stew on December 14, 2015, 10:36:07 PM
A lying poll on politicians lying, nothing to see here.
So the editor of Politifact, a website dedicated to fact checking politicians, and someone who shared a Pulitzer for calling out politicians on their bullshit in the 2008 election, is a liar?
Or is the presence of Trump and Carson at the top of their list your problem?
Its a pile of rubbish because it doesnt weight the lies in terms of how serious they are or their potential impact on National Security or the wallet of the American taxpayer.
Eg Donald Trump said there were thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11/2001 which was untrue, but there were probably a couple of dozen verifiable reports of Muslims celebrating in the Metro NYC area at that time.
An exxageration by Trump yes, but thats actually how it was reported at the time.
Compare that with Mr Obamas "if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan....period" line during the last election. If people actually knew that this was a flat out lie and that millions would in fact lose their health coverage, or its cost would skyrocket the election out come may in fact have been much closer
(Not to mention George W Bushs ......WMD bullshit and the hundreds of thousands of lives and the trillions of dollars it cost)
Or Bill Clinton for that matter committing perjury, while being questioned under oath. Thats HUGE. Top law enforcement officer in the land lying while giving evicence under oath.
Perjury is taken very seriously over here......just look at David Drumm.....and he wasnt even convicted
How the f**k can it "weigh" a lie in terms of impact down the road?
And if Trump lies 75% or whatever of the time, then does that not make it MORE likely that his bullshit might have long term implciations?
And where are these "dozens of verifiable" reports of muslims in NYC area celebrating 9/11?
And its convenient how you omit the many more millions who GAINED healthcare coverage - they'd have NO impact on the election, right?
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Time to turn the mirth up to 11. Paul Krugman has an entertaining take on the Trump phenomenon that has the bonus of coming from Paul Krugman who always makes certain GOP types go into complete meltdown.
QuoteThe Donald and the Chump Factor
DECEMBER 15, 2015 4:12 AM December 15, 2015 4:12 am (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body)
I suppose there are still some people waiting for Trump's bubble to burst — any day now! But it keeps not happening. And it's becoming increasingly plausible that he will go all the way. Why?
One answer — probably the most important — is what Greg Sargent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/11/who-is-the-authenticity-candidate-of-2016-yup-its-donald-trump/) has been emphasizing: the majority of Republican voters actually support Trump's policy positions. After all, he's just saying outright what mainstream candidates have implied through innuendo; how are voters supposed to know that this isn't what you do?
I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it's very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing.
Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. Consider, as a weird, self-aggrandizing, but I think relevant observation, what has happened to supposedly smart guys who predicted soaring interest rates and runaway inflation 6 or 7 years ago. Almost none of them have conceded that they were wrong, and should have done more homework. Instead, many of them — especially the academics — have become ever more obsessed with claiming that they were somehow right, and/or trying to tear down the reputations of those of us who were in fact right. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren't.
Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, "Wow, he's not a serious person! What was I thinking?"
And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump's very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.
To make another analogy, it's a "When Prophecy Fails" sort of situation.
And this also suggests that even if Trump does finally decline, his support is likely to flow not to an establishment candidate but to another outsider figure. Everyone who knows Ted Cruz well hates him; in this environment that probably enhances his appeal.
The general election will, of course, be quite different. But it's getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control.
"its getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control". That is the big kahuna. The GOP is in chaos.
Oh happy days.
They need to move away from NRA style positioning and move back towards the centre , where the voters are. Moderate Republicans are almost extinct.
But the GOP voters, at least the hardcore who listen to Fox News and Limbaugh and vote in primaries are nowhere NEAR the centre. And it works for the GOP in everything except presidential elections due to gerrymandering. Keep them riled up and scared with immigrants and gays and guns and black "thugs" and Kenyan muslims in the White House, and they'll keep turning out when no one else does. And then the seasonal fear mongering - terrorism, ebola, war on christmas/christians etc.
Quote from: J70 on December 15, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
.... and Kenyan muslims in the White House
Finally....glad you've seen the light.
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Time to turn the mirth up to 11. Paul Krugman has an entertaining take on the Trump phenomenon that has the bonus of coming from Paul Krugman who always makes certain GOP types go into complete meltdown.
QuoteThe Donald and the Chump Factor
DECEMBER 15, 2015 4:12 AM December 15, 2015 4:12 am (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body)
I suppose there are still some people waiting for Trump's bubble to burst — any day now! But it keeps not happening. And it's becoming increasingly plausible that he will go all the way. Why?
One answer — probably the most important — is what Greg Sargent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/11/who-is-the-authenticity-candidate-of-2016-yup-its-donald-trump/) has been emphasizing: the majority of Republican voters actually support Trump's policy positions. After all, he's just saying outright what mainstream candidates have implied through innuendo; how are voters supposed to know that this isn't what you do?
I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it's very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing.
Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. Consider, as a weird, self-aggrandizing, but I think relevant observation, what has happened to supposedly smart guys who predicted soaring interest rates and runaway inflation 6 or 7 years ago. Almost none of them have conceded that they were wrong, and should have done more homework. Instead, many of them — especially the academics — have become ever more obsessed with claiming that they were somehow right, and/or trying to tear down the reputations of those of us who were in fact right. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren't.
Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, "Wow, he's not a serious person! What was I thinking?"
And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump's very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.
To make another analogy, it's a "When Prophecy Fails" sort of situation.
And this also suggests that even if Trump does finally decline, his support is likely to flow not to an establishment candidate but to another outsider figure. Everyone who knows Ted Cruz well hates him; in this environment that probably enhances his appeal.
The general election will, of course, be quite different. But it's getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control.
"its getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control". That is the big kahuna. The GOP is in chaos.
Oh happy days.
They need to move away from NRA style positioning and move back towards the centre , where the voters are. Moderate Republicans are almost extinct.
Is it really though? They are comfortably in control of both houses and are pushing for a legal change to how populations in voting districts are counted (currently districts count the whole population, and have representation based on that; the Republicans are trying to get this changed so that only voters--not kids, not non-citizens etc...--are counted). If they succeed in this, that will mean less representation for urban districts, which tend to be Democratic, and more for rural districts, which tend to be Republican. And that would mean more power at local and state levels for Republicans.
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Time to turn the mirth up to 11. Paul Krugman has an entertaining take on the Trump phenomenon that has the bonus of coming from Paul Krugman who always makes certain GOP types go into complete meltdown.
QuoteThe Donald and the Chump Factor
DECEMBER 15, 2015 4:12 AM December 15, 2015 4:12 am (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-the-chump-factor/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs®ion=Body)
I suppose there are still some people waiting for Trump's bubble to burst — any day now! But it keeps not happening. And it's becoming increasingly plausible that he will go all the way. Why?
One answer — probably the most important — is what Greg Sargent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/11/who-is-the-authenticity-candidate-of-2016-yup-its-donald-trump/) has been emphasizing: the majority of Republican voters actually support Trump's policy positions. After all, he's just saying outright what mainstream candidates have implied through innuendo; how are voters supposed to know that this isn't what you do?
I would, however, add a casual observation: at this point Trump has been the front-runner for long enough that it's very hard to imagine his supporters suddenly losing faith, because it would be too embarrassing.
Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. Consider, as a weird, self-aggrandizing, but I think relevant observation, what has happened to supposedly smart guys who predicted soaring interest rates and runaway inflation 6 or 7 years ago. Almost none of them have conceded that they were wrong, and should have done more homework. Instead, many of them — especially the academics — have become ever more obsessed with claiming that they were somehow right, and/or trying to tear down the reputations of those of us who were in fact right. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren't.
Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, "Wow, he's not a serious person! What was I thinking?"
And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump's very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.
To make another analogy, it's a "When Prophecy Fails" sort of situation.
And this also suggests that even if Trump does finally decline, his support is likely to flow not to an establishment candidate but to another outsider figure. Everyone who knows Ted Cruz well hates him; in this environment that probably enhances his appeal.
The general election will, of course, be quite different. But it's getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control.
"its getting really hard to see how the GOP establishment reasserts control". That is the big kahuna. The GOP is in chaos.
Oh happy days.
They need to move away from NRA style positioning and move back towards the centre , where the voters are. Moderate Republicans are almost extinct.
Your last line is absolutely 100% correct.
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Look at his policies Stew. The man is a GOP zombie.
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
Bush is a non factor at this stage!
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Look at his policies Stew. The man is a GOP zombie.
Look at his views just a few years ago, the man is a flip flopper almost as bad as Clinton is.
He declared himdelf a democrat, donated millions to Democrats and in my opinion he is a democrat that is splitting the Republican vote.
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Is THAT why he pursued the birth cert issue and made an ass of himself before the last election with his offer to donate $5 million if Obama turned over his college transcripts?
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Look at his policies Stew. The man is a GOP zombie.
Look at his views just a few years ago, the man is a flip flopper almost as bad as Clinton is.
He declared himdelf a democrat, donated millions to Democrats and in my opinion he is a democrat that is splitting the Republican vote.
How come the GOP hasn't noticed?
How come their voters haven't noticed??
Quote from: muppet on December 15, 2015, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: stew on December 15, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 15, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 15, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
I'm really enjoying it at this stage. President Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk. Of course, people miss slam dunks on occasion. Maybe an axe with Vince Foster's blood on it will be found in her car. Otherwise this is going to be a ten-month procession, with increasingly hysterical pronouncements from those for whom the thought of her in the White House is the harbinger of end of Western civilisation. It's going to be great.
Rubio, Cruz and Bush can all tune into the Hispanic vote, which they need to do in order to have a chance at winning. Why the GOP seems to favour Trump, who cannot, is a mystery.
I think the GOP is lost.
The GOP cant stand Trump ffs!
He is a democrat.
Look at his policies Stew. The man is a GOP zombie.
Look at his views just a few years ago, the man is a flip flopper almost as bad as Clinton is.
He declared himdelf a democrat, donated millions to Democrats and in my opinion he is a democrat that is splitting the Republican vote.
How come the GOP hasn't noticed?
How come their voters haven't noticed??
I know he donated a wee bit of money as late as 2013 to the Democrats, the vast majority of his donations went to the dems until I think 2010, miraculously there was a massive shift in money donated by trump and it went to the republicans, I said he donated millions, he is at jut under 1.5 million, most of which went to the democrats.
How come no one in the GOP has noticed that they are close to nominating a Democrat?
Megarich man in trying to cover all bases with his political donations shocker, especially relating to his businesses in NYC, Chicago and NJ!
His donations to GOP have now surpassed the Dems BTW.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/ (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/)
Quote from: muppet on December 16, 2015, 12:57:33 AM
How come no one in the GOP has noticed that they are close to nominating a Democrat?
Because they're thick.
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2015, 01:55:11 AM
Megarich man in trying to cover all bases with his political donations shocker, especially relating to his businesses in NYC, Chicago and NJ!
His donations to GOP have now surpassed the Dems BTW.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/ (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/)
Megarich. Mega mega white thing. So many things to see and do but I think it will fall through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlLWFa1b1Bc
If Donald Trump is a Democrat, and I think it's possible, what does that make the people planning to vote for him?
Quote from: deiseach on December 16, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
If Donald Trump is a Democrat, and I think it's possible, what does that make the people planning to vote for him?
Misguided, follow the money trail and see for yourself.
Trump, like many businessmen, tries to buy influence and access and thus spreads the cash around. I doubt if he gave 50Gs to Rahm Emmanuel because he liked his plans to address homelessness or gang violence or whatever in Chicago. More likely Trump wanted to grease the wheels for the big building he just completed along the Chicago river or some of his other Chicago projects.
This made me chuckle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWIl_ZpXAAEU9ut?format=pjpg&name=large)
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
Trump, like many businessmen, tries to buy influence and access and thus spreads the cash around. I doubt if he gave 50Gs to Rahm Emmanuel because he liked his plans to address homelessness or gang violence or whatever in Chicago. More likely Trump wanted to grease the wheels for the big building he just completed along the Chicago river or some of his other Chicago projects.
It is quite a spectacular building....just walked by it a month ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_(Chicago)
trump tower chicago
Maybe he should stick to real estate development
Quote from: deiseach on December 16, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
If Donald Trump is a Democrat, and I think it's possible, what does that make the people planning to vote for him?
Doomed to a life of slavery in the Fox echo chamber and climate change on tap.
Trump Is a real dem all right. People like him own the party.
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Where do decent folk go to live when their homeland is overrun by vermin?
good question.
Trump keeping good company now!!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump/
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
How does #BLM raise their money?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q
OBAMAMONEY!!
(https://i.imgflip.com/vzr80.jpg)
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
I know you are being light hearted here, but can you explain a bit more?
Are you saying that only Republicans pay taxes?
Are you saying that only Republicans start businesses?
The US is a capitalist economy, you pay significantly lower taxes on Capital than you do on Labor. Someone who works for someone else (any privately held company, but also including government at any level- federal, state or municipal) all pay the proportionally highest rate of tax in the US. Someone who is either generating capital or leveraging capital (an investor or business owner) pays a significantly lower rate of tax.
Where do you think the DNC gets its money? Same class of donor as the RNC.
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
LMAO! It's a known fact that red states tend to be net takers from the federal government while blue states are net contributors. But don't let facts get in the way of your half-baked conservative delusions.
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
Now hold on there Whitey.
Is drug dealing deemed a business? There's plenty of democrat supporters that might be eligible to apply for government assistance in funding these start-up enterprises.
QuoteIs drug dealing deemed a business? There's plenty of democrat supporters that might be eligible to apply for government assistance in funding these start-up enterprises.
If you're big pharma- legal everywhere so it is a business per the IRS
Marijuana, 20 states plus DC so it is a business per the IRS
Alcohol, most of the 50 states with some municipalities exempt so it is a business per the IRS
mostly depends on how much you pay your lobbyists- why would the politics of the business owner play into definition of the manufacture and distribution of certain chemicals as a business- that really doesn't make sense now does it?
Oh wait- that wasn't your point really was it?
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
You're right. The GOP need to dump Trump and get back to the Makers V Takers strategy for 2016. It worked SOOO well in 2012! ;D
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
Quote from: J70 on December 18, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
You're right. The GOP need to dump Trump and get back to the Makers V Takers strategy for 2016. It worked SOOO well in 2012! ;D
Yeah, career Democratic politicians with zero private sector experience have sure done a great job running their states into the ground. Long may it continue.....
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
Yeah, career Democratic politicians with zero private sector experience have sure done a great job running their states into the ground. Long may it continue.....
Now that California has a Democratic governor and assembly, we've finally been able to balance the budget, get it delivered in time, and pay off the debt run up by an actor called Arnold Schwartzeneger who thought he could pay off the debt by eliminating waste fraud and abuse, also known as the old "pay off the mortgage with the coins under the couch" trick.
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
For your next trick you're going to quote Brietbart and Fox News as legitimate sources.
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 18, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
You're right. The GOP need to dump Trump and get back to the Makers V Takers strategy for 2016. It worked SOOO well in 2012! ;D
Yeah, career Democratic politicians with zero private sector experience have sure done a great job running their states into the ground. Long may it continue.....
You're right!
Brownback for president! Kansas and their noble trickle-down economics experiment are showing the way!
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 19, 2015, 02:04:31 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
For your next trick you're going to quote Brietbart and Fox News as legitimate sources.
Well they're about as credible and impartial as the NY Times, CNN or the Washington Post
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:20:05 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 18, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 18, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 17, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
You're right. The GOP need to dump Trump and get back to the Makers V Takers strategy for 2016. It worked SOOO well in 2012! ;D
Yeah, career Democratic politicians with zero private sector experience have sure done a great job running their states into the ground. Long may it continue.....
You're right!
Brownback for president! Kansas and their noble trickle-down economics experiment are showing the way!
Lol...No I was actually thinking about states that have more than 2 or 3 Million residents. Places like IL, NY or MI
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 02:43:57 AM
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Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
For your next trick you're going to quote Brietbart and Fox News as legitimate sources.
Well they're about as credible and impartial as the NY Times, CNN or the Washington Post
Christ.
What do you say to that? Anyone?
Whitey's credibility has hit rock bottom and is now starting to dig.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 19, 2015, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 02:43:57 AM
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Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
For your next trick you're going to quote Brietbart and Fox News as legitimate sources.
Well they're about as credible and impartial as the NY Times, CNN or the Washington Post
Christ.
What do you say to that? Anyone?
I stand by that statement 100%....and I am actually in the majority (at least according to Rasmussen)
http://www.hngn.com/articles/94597/20150522/rasmussen-poll-voters-dont-trust-media-report-politics-fairly-many.htm
Sixty-one percent of likely U.S. voters said they do not trust the political news they get, a massive 16-point increase from the 45 percent who said the same last October. Only 21 percent said they still have confidence that the coverage they get is balanced, down from 33 percent in the previous survey, and 17 percent were unsure
As for the 2016 presidential race, only 23 percent of respondents said they believe most reporters will try to provide unbiased coverage. Fifty-nine percent said they think the coverage will be slanted.
This is also a very interesting take on the state of reporting
http://www.forbes.com/sites/neilweinberg/2010/10/23/nyt-vs-wsj-liberal-bias-vs-conservative-bias/
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 02:46:13 AM
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Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
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Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
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Spent the last few days in the States and its not until you watch the TV coverage that you can get a sense of why there are so many loony views out there.
The coverage of the debate in terms of positions and what we'd call manifesto items was laughable and most of the stations seem to focus on the Cruz v Rubio or Trump v Bush or Someone v Someone dynamic - truly bizarre.
It's a wonderful country in many ways but good God it's a very strange one as well
It is a democracy with two ponies to choose from and the only decent President it has had since Clinton is, actually the have note had one, people are getting poorer and they will not pay people a wage they can live on yet the rich get richer, they have the weakest President in my lifetime at the helm and the next up up is a political whore, a woman with blood on her hands and a woman who takes donations from the Saudis when their track record on the way women are treated in their society is the worst in the world.
It is an amazing place but I am thinking of heading home, I have lost a lot of faith in the USA and do not think I could stomach Clinton as President, I have a nephew I have never met and the parents are in their seventies and I have not seen Armagh or the Harps play since 09.
If only more Republicans would follow your lead. The problem is there's no right-wing paradise for them to emigrate to. unless you count some African countries where government barely functions and order is maintained by people's personal weapons.
Lol....if all the Republicans left, there'd be no-one left to actually pay any taxes.
Don't know too many do gooders or social justice warriors who've ever started a business or employed a single person. Why would they do that when they can get a nice Cushy govt. job where the they do fvck all and are accountable to no one
You're right. The GOP need to dump Trump and get back to the Makers V Takers strategy for 2016. It worked SOOO well in 2012! ;D
Yeah, career Democratic politicians with zero private sector experience have sure done a great job running their states into the ground. Long may it continue.....
You're right!
Brownback for president! Kansas and their noble trickle-down economics experiment are showing the way!
Lol...No I was actually thinking about states that have more than 2 or 3 Million residents. Places like IL, NY or MI
NY is doing all right. Sure you're not talking about NJ?
Michigan has had a GOP governor for five years.
http://www.businessinsider.com/state-economy-ranking-july-2015-2015-7 (http://www.businessinsider.com/state-economy-ranking-july-2015-2015-7)
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 19, 2015, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 02:43:57 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 19, 2015, 02:04:31 AM
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: dec on December 18, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
The states that send more money to Washington than they get back are mostly the Democratic states. The states that get more from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes are mostly Republican states.
That's what is referred to as moving the goalposts. If the fact don't back up your argument, change the argument
http://rare.us/story/exploding-the-lefts-red-state-myths/
For your next trick you're going to quote Brietbart and Fox News as legitimate sources.
Well they're about as credible and impartial as the NY Times, CNN or the Washington Post
Christ.
What do you say to that? Anyone?
I stand by that statement 100%....and I am actually in the majority (at least according to Rasmussen)
http://www.hngn.com/articles/94597/20150522/rasmussen-poll-voters-dont-trust-media-report-politics-fairly-many.htm
Sixty-one percent of likely U.S. voters said they do not trust the political news they get, a massive 16-point increase from the 45 percent who said the same last October. Only 21 percent said they still have confidence that the coverage they get is balanced, down from 33 percent in the previous survey, and 17 percent were unsure
As for the 2016 presidential race, only 23 percent of respondents said they believe most reporters will try to provide unbiased coverage. Fifty-nine percent said they think the coverage will be slanted.
This is also a very interesting take on the state of reporting
http://www.forbes.com/sites/neilweinberg/2010/10/23/nyt-vs-wsj-liberal-bias-vs-conservative-bias/
Breitbart is the equivalent of the NY Times and WP? Seriously? ;D
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
And popular opinion does not equal truth. Its hardly surprising that conservatives constantly decry so-called liberal media bias when talk radio and the GOP, and latterly, Fox News, have made it a central plank in their platform for decades now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9TAql3oDXAQ
I guess I'll respectfully disagree with you about CNN.
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2015, 02:55:58 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9TAql3oDXAQ
I guess I'll respectfully disagree with you about CNN.
Assuming that example is true, that doesn't exactly mean a track record of bias like Fox!
Or maybe they've changed - I don't watch CNN, but from what I've read over the last couple of years, they are more known for ridiculous hype of plane crashes and disasters than any political bias.
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Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Given your track record of racist contributions, I'll not take your criticism to heart, but here is a list of political contributors to CNN. Straight from Wikipedia, so may be incomplete:
Political contributors
Liberals:
Paul Begala
Donna Brazile
Maria Cardona
Stephanie Cutter
Lanny Davis
LZ Granderson
Roland S. Martin
Alicia Menendez
Christine Pelosi
Hilary Rosen
Jamal Simmons
Conservatives:
William Bennett
Marsha Blackburn
Alex Castellanos
Sam Dealey
Ari Fleischer
David Frum
Rich Galen
Amy Holmes
Margaret Hoover
Dana Loesch
Kevin Madden
Susan Molinari
Nancy Pfotenhauer
Ed Rollins
Leslie Sanchez
Tara Wall
Here are the pundits they've listed who were to appear on election night last year: Paul Begala, Jay Carney, S.E. Cupp, Stephanie Cutter, Newt Gingrich, Van Jones, Kevin Madden, Ana Navarro.
Cupp, Gingrich, Madden and Navarro are Republicans. Begala, Carney, Jones and Cutter are Dems.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/10/28/cnn-reporters-in-full-force-for-2014-midterm-election-coverage/ (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/10/28/cnn-reporters-in-full-force-for-2014-midterm-election-coverage/)
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Given your track record of racist contributions, I'll not take your criticism to heart, but here is a list of political contributors to CNN. Straight from Wikipedia, so may be incomplete:
Someone pulling out the race card!! Quick...losing the argument so let's start accusing....
Evidence please?
CNN is biased. Face it.
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Given your track record of racist contributions, I'll not take your criticism to heart, but here is a list of political contributors to CNN. Straight from Wikipedia, so may be incomplete:
Someone pulling out the race card!! Quick...losing the argument so let's start accusing....
Evidence please?
CNN is biased. Face it.
It is a liberal media machine, just like the rest of them bar Fox!
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Given your track record of racist contributions, I'll not take your criticism to heart, but here is a list of political contributors to CNN. Straight from Wikipedia, so may be incomplete:
Someone pulling out the race card!! Quick...losing the argument so let's start accusing....
Evidence please?
CNN is biased. Face it.
You made a comment about Obama, South Africa and affirmative action last week, which I asked you to explain twice ( I can pull it back up if you want to clarify your point). Based on that and many other comments and positions you've espoused, you clearly seem to have an issue with black people.
CNN may well be biased, despite their pundit lineup, which you have not disputed. In Fox News' league it is not.
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Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
There you go Foxcommander...
A study of tone on cable news stories from the approach to the last presidential election:
Postive/negative spin on Obama (% of stories)
CNN - 18/21
Fox - 6/46
MSNBC - 39/15
Postive/negative spin on Romney (% of stories)
CNN - 11/36
Fox - 28/12
MSNBC - 3/71
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/five-facts-about-fox-news/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/five-facts-about-fox-news/)
So CNN was evenly divided on Obama, and against Romney. Fox virulently against Obama and pro-Romney. MSNBC pro-Obama and with a murderous vendetta against Romney.
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Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
There you go Foxcommander...
As for this one, I'd ask for a clarification if I thought I was dealing with a rational member of the community:
Quote from: foxcommander on December 18, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
Where do decent folk go to live when their homeland is overrun by vermin?
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
I wouldn't ever call sensationalist CNN a decent place to get one's news, but the idea that they're in the tank for a political party or viewpoint in the same manner as Fox News is just ludicrous. Doesn't mean that they might not lean liberal, but PR arm of the Democratic Party they are not.
You sir are talking through your arse. They are democrat through and through. You just have to check out their "panel" during election times. Biased as f**k.
Their regular programming is completely unbalanced towards democrats as well.
Given your track record of racist contributions, I'll not take your criticism to heart, but here is a list of political contributors to CNN. Straight from Wikipedia, so may be incomplete:
Someone pulling out the race card!! Quick...losing the argument so let's start accusing....
Evidence please?
CNN is biased. Face it.
You made a comment about Obama, South Africa and affirmative action last week, which I asked you to explain twice ( I can pull it back up if you want to clarify your point). Based on that and many other comments and positions you've espoused, you clearly seem to have an issue with black people.
CNN may well be biased, despite their pundit lineup, which you have not disputed. In Fox News' league it is not.
I will dispute.
Biased as fook in the last election. The only republicans that were on sparingly were Alex Castellanos and Geraldo Rivera.
On the other side Roland Martin, Donna Brazille, James Carville were constantly on with biased mediating from the likes of Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer and Don Lemon.
It felt like a constant democrat political broadcast. All they needed to do was have Romney pictured with horns, a pitchfork, a tail and a hell background.
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Quote from: foxcommander on December 06, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
There you go Foxcommander...
I know quite a few south Africans who've had to leave their homeland because they were discriminated against when going for jobs even though they were more than qualified.
I never mentioned apartheid. I think that sort of discrimination is wrong. Shame on the south African government for implementing it if that's their idea of creating a shared country.
But try twist that whatever way you like. Try again....
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Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 06, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
There you go Foxcommander...
As for this one, I'd ask for a clarification if I thought I was dealing with a rational member of the community:
Quote from: foxcommander on December 18, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
Where do decent folk go to live when their homeland is overrun by vermin in meath jerseys?
Fixed that.
Question to Foxcommander, Whitey and Stew - Which of you have a vote in the upcoming presidential election?
Quote from: foxcommander on December 20, 2015, 01:26:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2015, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2015, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on December 06, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Quote from: easytiger95 on December 05, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: stew on December 05, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2014, 06:15:16 AM
Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!
Why would they be?
So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?
Catch yourself on ffs.
People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.
Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?
If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?
Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)
If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?
So what are you saying?
That South Africa was better off under apartheid?
That black people should not be in positions of political power?
There you go Foxcommander...
I know quite a few south Africans who've had to leave their homeland because they were discriminated against when going for jobs even though they were more than qualified.
I never mentioned apartheid. I think that sort of discrimination is wrong. Shame on the south African government for implementing it if that's their idea of creating a shared country.
But try twist that whatever way you like. Try again....
You mentioned South Africa since'they got "change"', following your claim that Obama is f**king up the US. Given that the main significant change in South Africa was the fall of apartheid, what the hell else would any reasonable person interpret that sentence as referring to? You constantly refer to Obama as the "Kenyan muslim". You whined for a week that you couldn't use the N word. You're always talking disparagingly about black victims of American police. That someone might have suspicions about your attitude towards black people is far from unreasonable.
Im lost lads, yous seem to excel at quibbling
Anyway I watched bits and pieces of the Democratic debate tonight, I thought yous would be all into it.
Bernie seems genuine and sensible, for what I seen and heard by far the closest to my politicial outlook, tho not sure if he's a great politician.
Hillary never seems to give over, she seemed to talk 80% of the debate. She knows what she talking about, knows the game and more importantly knows how to air brush things. Does any1 else think she looks like the fake Santa Claus from the Santa Clause?
The O'Malley chap never seems to blink
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
Im lost lads, yous seem to excel at quibbling
Anyway I watched bits and pieces of the Democratic debate tonight, I thought yous would be all into it.
Bernie seems genuine and sensible, for what I seen and heard by far the closest to my politicial outlook, tho not sure if he's a great politician.
Hillary never seems to give over, she seemed to talk 80% of the debate. She knows what she talking about, knows the game and more importantly knows how to air brush things. Does any1 else think she looks like the fake Santa Claus from the Santa Clause?
The O'Malley chap never seems to blink
Why?
Its Hillary's nomination. Nothing to see here!
Fox et all are very upset that reality has a liberal bias.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 20, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
Fox et all are very upset that reality has a liberal bias.
Echo chamber effect
This is from the NY Review of Books
"In this way, the Internet, which isn't the press, but often functions like the press by disseminating news and information, begins to cut us off from dissenting opinion and conflicting points of view, all the while seeming to be neutral and objective and unencumbered by the kind of bias inherent in, and embraced by, say, the The Weekly Standard or The Nation.
Edward Gorey Charitable Trust
Why this matters is captured in a study in the spring issue of Sociological Quarterly, which echoes Pariser's concern that when ideology drives the dissemination of information, knowledge is compromised. The study, which examined attitudes toward global warming among Republicans and Democrats in the years between 2001 and 2010, found that in those nine years, as the scientific consensus on climate change coalesced and became nearly universal, the percentage of Republicans who said that the planet was beginning to warm dropped precipitously, from 49 percent to 29 percent. For Democrats, the percentage went up, from 60 percent to 70 percent. It was as if the groups were getting different messages about the science, and most likely they were. The consequence, as the study's authors point out, was to stymie any real debate on public policy. This is Pariser's point exactly, and his concern: that by having our own ideas bounce back at us, we inadvertently indoctrinate ourselves with our own ideas. "Democracy requires citizens to see things from one another's point of view, but instead we're more and more enclosed in our own bubbles," he writes. "Democracy requires a reliance on shared facts; instead we're being offered parallel but separate universes."
It's not difficult to see where this could lead—how easily anything with an agenda (a lobbying group, a political party, a corporation, a government) could flood the echo chamber with information central to its cause. (This, in fact, is what has happened, on the right, with climate change.) "
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
Im lost lads, yous seem to excel at quibbling
Anyway I watched bits and pieces of the Democratic debate tonight, I thought yous would be all into it.
Bernie seems genuine and sensible, for what I seen and heard by far the closest to my politicial outlook, tho not sure if he's a great politician.
Hillary never seems to give over, she seemed to talk 80% of the debate. She knows what she talking about, knows the game and more importantly knows how to air brush things. Does any1 else think she looks like the fake Santa Claus from the Santa Clause?
The O'Malley chap never seems to blink
Why?
Its Hillary's nomination. Nothing to see here!
Are you being serious or are you continuing the squabble with foxie etc?
One thing I find truely bizzare coming from the mainstream, white, middle class democrate voters who pride themselves as voting on conscience, is that they keep saying... " well I agree with Bernie more but I think that Hillary has a better chance of getting elected" Strange outlook if you ask me.
You gotta give the GOP voters credit for voting instinctively, instead of tactically
Yes, because we should value instinct over intellect. ::)
Dems would like Bernie to win but they recognize the reality that Hillary is a better bet for mopping up the centrist voters that they're going to need. Republitards are he'll be t on ideological purity, and in their echo chamber they can 't see that they need a centrist candidate to stand a chance of winning the general election. Why anyone would admire the Republican strategy is beyond me.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
Im lost lads, yous seem to excel at quibbling
Anyway I watched bits and pieces of the Democratic debate tonight, I thought yous would be all into it.
Bernie seems genuine and sensible, for what I seen and heard by far the closest to my politicial outlook, tho not sure if he's a great politician.
Hillary never seems to give over, she seemed to talk 80% of the debate. She knows what she talking about, knows the game and more importantly knows how to air brush things. Does any1 else think she looks like the fake Santa Claus from the Santa Clause?
The O'Malley chap never seems to blink
Why?
Its Hillary's nomination. Nothing to see here!
Are you being serious or are you continuing the squabble with foxie etc?
One thing I find truely bizzare coming from the mainstream, white, middle class democrate voters who pride themselves as voting on conscience, is that they keep saying... " well I agree with Bernie more but I think that Hillary has a better chance of getting elected" Strange outlook if you ask me.
You gotta give the GOP voters credit for voting instinctively, instead of tactically
My approach in the primaries is is to vote for the person whos most likely to get elected in the general election.
(As a registered independent, I can also cross over and vote in the Democratic primary if I want. Once I did it to vote for a great candidate, Congressman Stephen Lynch (who unfortunately got defeated) and during last years Governors primary, I voted for Steve Grossman in an attempt to undermine Democratic front runner Martha Coakley. Tons of Republicans I know did this, and it worked)
Quote from: Hardy on December 21, 2015, 12:03:37 AM
Yes, because we should value instinct over intellect. ::)
Mistaking strategy for intellect would indicate lack of the latter
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 21, 2015, 12:38:25 AM
Dems would like Bernie to win but they recognize the reality that Hillary is a better bet for mopping up the centrist voters that they're going to need. Republitards are he'll be t on ideological purity, and in their echo chamber they can 't see that they need a centrist candidate to stand a chance of winning the general election. Why anyone would admire the Republican strategy is beyond me.
The GOP voters dont have a strategy, that's my point, they are voting on what they value personally. A large section of the demos though arent, they are voting not on what they actually believe in, but as part of a strategy to appeal to the middle ground. The problem with middle ground of course is that it is relative, and in America the middle ground in politics is much too far to the right for anyone who agrees with Bernie Sanders to be remotely attached to.
I would say this to the Demo voters, if you want America to be run in the manner that it has been and continue on that course, vote for Hillary. I have no doubt that she will defo do a very good job at that if elected.
On the other hand if you want to send a message of what you believe in to the rest of country, vote Bernie. He'd be a risk, as he might not get elected and if he was elected he might not be the shrewdest politically at implementing his vision.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 21, 2015, 08:06:40 AM
I would say this to the Demo voters, if you want America to be run in the manner that it has been and continue on that course, vote for Gore. I have no doubt that he will defo do a very good job at that if elected.
On the other hand if you want to send a message of what you believe in to the rest of country, vote Nader. He'd be a risk, as he might not get elected and if he was elected he might not be the shrewdest politically at implementing his vision.
Fixed that for you.
Sounds like Hilary has backed herself into a corner with her comments the other night... "Right where we want to be with ISIS!" Whoever the f**k told her to say that needs fired and I thought she would have known better herself than to say that.
Her comment about ISIS using a video of Trump looking to ban Muslims coming into America as a recruitment campaign has no way of being verified either and Trump is looking for an apology. He's got a brass neck as he is still to substantiate his claims about Muslims celebrating in Jersey, Obamas birth certificate etc. etc.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
Im lost lads, yous seem to excel at quibbling
Anyway I watched bits and pieces of the Democratic debate tonight, I thought yous would be all into it.
Bernie seems genuine and sensible, for what I seen and heard by far the closest to my politicial outlook, tho not sure if he's a great politician.
Hillary never seems to give over, she seemed to talk 80% of the debate. She knows what she talking about, knows the game and more importantly knows how to air brush things. Does any1 else think she looks like the fake Santa Claus from the Santa Clause?
The O'Malley chap never seems to blink
Why?
Its Hillary's nomination. Nothing to see here!
Are you being serious or are you continuing the squabble with foxie etc?
One thing I find truely bizzare coming from the mainstream, white, middle class democrate voters who pride themselves as voting on conscience, is that they keep saying... " well I agree with Bernie more but I think that Hillary has a better chance of getting elected" Strange outlook if you ask me.
You gotta give the GOP voters credit for voting instinctively, instead of tactically
I was being serious and responding to your question about the lack of discussion of the democratic primaries. Barring something bizarre turning up, it's Hillary's.
I'm all for the GOP base voting their instinct! The further right their nominee is, the easier he or she will be to defeat. Plenty more tantrums like this week's response to the budget agreement are just what is needed!
I guess a lot of Democratic voters are more afraid of the GOP than positive about the likes of Sanders. Whether they're more pragmatic or less deluded that GOP voters is up for debate.
If Cruz is selected and gets hammered by Hillary next year, it will at least kill the perennial Fox News/Rush Limbaugh whining that they would have won if only they'd selected a true conservative!
Quote from: J70 on December 21, 2015, 02:29:09 PM
If Cruz is selected and gets hammered by Hillary next year, it will at least kill the perennial Fox News/Rush Limbaugh whining that they would have won if only they'd selected a true conservative!
Do you want to bet? They don't seem much influenced by facts in other matters.
For what it is worth I think the Republicans over the last decade or so have managed to strengthen their hardcore of 45% of the electorate. That core probably despise the Democrats/ Obama/ Clintons x2 more than ever.
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
Quote from: Canalman on December 21, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
I was reading that Romney had more white votes than Reagan and would have sailed home last time had the US had the same makeup as 30 years ago. It doesn't, but the GOP hasn't quite caught on.
But the RNC DID catch on and published a mea culpa after the 2012 election. Even Bobby Jindal, the man who just ran Louisiana into the ground trying to bolster his credibility with the tea party types, said they had to stop being the "stupid party", although this didn't ONLY refer to immigration.
Their problem is that the GOP base doesn't give a shit about demonizing immigrants, gays, science and all the rest, so the party itself has had little choice in the matter.
They cultivated and embraced this ignorant, bigoted, white resentment bullshit when it suited them, so f**k them!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 21, 2015, 03:11:29 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 21, 2015, 02:29:09 PM
If Cruz is selected and gets hammered by Hillary next year, it will at least kill the perennial Fox News/Rush Limbaugh whining that they would have won if only they'd selected a true conservative!
Do you want to bet? They don't seem much influenced by facts in other matters.
Are you suggesting voting fraud conspiracies will be wheeled out?! :)
Surely the Clintons are funding the whole Trump campaign???? It's the only thing that makes sense!!!!!
Quote from: Canalman on December 21, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
For what it is worth I think the Republicans over the last decade or so have managed to strengthen their hardcore of 45% of the electorate. That core probably despise the Democrats/ Obama/ Clintons x2 more than ever.
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
It's ironic given how culturally conservative and hard working most Hispanic immigrants are, supposedly things that the GOP base embraces.
Quote from: Canalman on December 21, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
For what it is worth I think the Republicans over the last decade or so have managed to strengthen their hardcore of 45% of the electorate. That core probably despise the Democrats/ Obama/ Clintons x2 more than ever.
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
Your 45 sounds like a very high number. The number of racist old white men is a lot smaller than that, I would have thought.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 21, 2015, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: Canalman on December 21, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
For what it is worth I think the Republicans over the last decade or so have managed to strengthen their hardcore of 45% of the electorate. That core probably despise the Democrats/ Obama/ Clintons x2 more than ever.
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
Your 45 sounds like a very high number. The number of racist old white men is a lot smaller than that, I would have thought.
I assume your trolling/joking with that comment?
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
Quote from: J70 on December 21, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Canalman on December 21, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
For what it is worth I think the Republicans over the last decade or so have managed to strengthen their hardcore of 45% of the electorate. That core probably despise the Democrats/ Obama/ Clintons x2 more than ever.
Problem is / was trying to reach out to the 5/6% percent extra needed to win the presidency.
Being less than friendly to hispanics (natural republicans imo) a disaster imo given how the demographics of America are changing.
It's ironic given how culturally conservative and hard working most Hispanic immigrants are, supposedly things that the GOP base embraces.
Dunno where youse are getting this from about Hispanics, maybe your talking about the middle class and wealthy Cubans in Florida? Most Hispanics are working class, under paid and overworked, why would they vote for the party of the rich that doesn't represent them in the slightest? Cesar Chavez? FFS?
Kinda impossible to generalise people in a political context with political bloodlines ranging from Batitstas chums to the followers Pancho Villa is it not?
He's talking about social issues. If the GOP stopped running on a shoot-the-poor ticket they might find a lot of latinos who'd feel comfortable voting for them.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
He's talking about social issues. If the GOP stopped running on a shoot-the-poor ticket they might find a lot of latinos who'd feel comfortable voting for them.
????
I would have thought the biggest social issue goin is wealth disparity, and the primary purpose of the GOP is to maintain and increase it. If they werent doing that they would no longer be to the right, theyd be to the left, so of course more working and lower income people would vote for them.
Being right wing should be more than making rich people richer. A US right wing party should be supportive of the traditional opportunity to better yourself, which should be of interest to the Mexican self employed guy.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
My dealings with hispanics in America lead me to believe they are incredibly hard working and have a huge belief in the "American Dream" which if it doesn't benefit them hugely they hope will benefit their kids. Family orientated, not hugely expectant of government help in making their way in life.
Prime potential republican party supporters imo.
Can't for the life of me understand why GOP are sort of dismissive to their potential support.
Quote from: stew on December 22, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
You criticize him for partisanship while calling him a "libtard"?! ;D
The gerrymandering is well established stew.
Historically, both parties are guilty of it. The GOP has taken it to a new level though. How the hell do you think they've lost the popular vote in the house in 2012 yet came out with 54% of the seats? That's why the 2010 election was so key. The GOP swept the board, and in the aftermath of the census, got to draw all these congressional districts to suit themselves, ensuring they'll have a House majority until at least early in the next decade. One stat I read stated that Democrats would have to win 55% of the popular vote for House seats to have any hope of winning a House majority at the moment.
Check out this corralling of the Democratic vote in north central Florida - its like one of those pythons invading the Everglades got lost and wandered north, stretching from Orlando to Jacksonville (about 150 miles)!:
(http://i.imgur.com/jmZpj.png)
Quote from: stew on December 22, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.
I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy
Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views
Not wanting handouts or wanting your kids to do better than yourself is not a uniquely American concept and not something that is the exclusive domain of the GOP in America.
While I wud say the GOP are defo supportive of the American Dream (whatever that is!) as opposed to say the British Conservative party for example, their main purpose is still like the Tories to keep the wealthy wealthy. And you could also say that the Democrats are as equally supportive of the "American Dream". Its about how to go about attaining the American Dream is what is disagreement, the GOP believes work hard enough and you will achieve it regardless, the Democrat party believes in providing the means to achieve it for those that want to.
The American Dream is a bit of Pyramid scheme anyway especially with reduced immigration but we wont get into that. It has also been used as a unattainable carrot for many voters, enticing them to vote based on the situation they would like to be in rather than the situation they are in. Its probably the biggest factor that has allowed the American political spectrum to be skewed to the right
Anyway my point is Hispanics appear to vote on how it will affect them not on the hypothetical values that the conservative/liberal spectrum like to define themselves by, so I would say that most are natural Demo voters.
The American Dream is a bit outdated. Fine when European countries were class ridden and the US had free land. Nowadays though social mobility is higher in European countries where decent free education systems give the person from the poorest circumstances a chance to make good. Of course when they make their pile there is a little bit of tax to pay. In this respect Canada has a lot to offer.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Social_mobility_is_lower_in_more_unequal_countries.jpg/800px-Social_mobility_is_lower_in_more_unequal_countries.jpg)
Apparently Trump thinks Hillary using the bathroom is disgusting.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/22/donald-trump-goes-vulgar-in-swipe-at-hillary-clinton/ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/22/donald-trump-goes-vulgar-in-swipe-at-hillary-clinton/)
Is there a bottom for this dude to hit?
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 23, 2015, 12:51:36 AM
Not wanting handouts or wanting your kids to do better than yourself is not a uniquely American concept and not something that is the exclusive domain of the GOP in America.
While I wud say the GOP are defo supportive of the American Dream (whatever that is!) as opposed to say the British Conservative party for example, their main purpose is still like the Tories to keep the wealthy wealthy. And you could also say that the Democrats are as equally supportive of the "American Dream". Its about how to go about attaining the American Dream is what is disagreement, the GOP believes work hard enough and you will achieve it regardless, the Democrat party believes in providing the means to achieve it for those that want to.
The American Dream is a bit of Pyramid scheme anyway especially with reduced immigration but we wont get into that. It has also been used as a unattainable carrot for many voters, enticing them to vote based on the situation they would like to be in rather than the situation they are in. Its probably the biggest factor that has allowed the American political spectrum to be skewed to the right
Anyway my point is Hispanics appear to vote on how it will affect them not on the hypothetical values that the conservative/liberal spectrum like to define themselves by, so I would say that most are natural Demo voters.
I think the assumption or received wisdom is that the average Latino immigrant should align with the GOP on account of their relatively devout catholicism. Opposition to abortion, gay marriage etc. How well supported that is, in reality, I don't really know. But, even if it is, the immigration thing renders it moot anyway. And, ironically, part of the resistance to it on the part of the GOP base is that they think that the Dems want all these immigrants coming in to bolster their own political base.
Republicans hold 57% of house seats on the strength of having 51% of the popular vote.
Democrats have 43% of house seats on the strength of having 45% of the popular vote.
As shown above, some of the gerrymandered districts would do a 1950s Unionist proud.
Voter suppression (shutting down polling places in minority neighborhoods, excessive voter ID laws designed to disenfranchise poor people, mass purging of electoral rolls etc.) is so well documented I can't believe you even have the gall to question it.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 23, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: stew on December 22, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.
I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy
Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views
Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more. There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 02:31:34 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 23, 2015, 12:51:36 AM
Not wanting handouts or wanting your kids to do better than yourself is not a uniquely American concept and not something that is the exclusive domain of the GOP in America.
While I wud say the GOP are defo supportive of the American Dream (whatever that is!) as opposed to say the British Conservative party for example, their main purpose is still like the Tories to keep the wealthy wealthy. And you could also say that the Democrats are as equally supportive of the "American Dream". Its about how to go about attaining the American Dream is what is disagreement, the GOP believes work hard enough and you will achieve it regardless, the Democrat party believes in providing the means to achieve it for those that want to.
The American Dream is a bit of Pyramid scheme anyway especially with reduced immigration but we wont get into that. It has also been used as a unattainable carrot for many voters, enticing them to vote based on the situation they would like to be in rather than the situation they are in. Its probably the biggest factor that has allowed the American political spectrum to be skewed to the right
Anyway my point is Hispanics appear to vote on how it will affect them not on the hypothetical values that the conservative/liberal spectrum like to define themselves by, so I would say that most are natural Demo voters.
I think the assumption or received wisdom is that the average Latino immigrant should align with the GOP on account of their relatively devout catholicism. Opposition to abortion, gay marriage etc. How well supported that is, in reality, I don't really know. But, even if it is, the immigration thing renders it moot anyway. And, ironically, part of the resistance to it on the part of the GOP base is that they think that the Dems want all these immigrants coming in to bolster their own political base.
I think its a false assumption tho J70. Firstly inspite of the issues that you listed I would say that overall the Demos are way closer to Catholic doctrine than the GOP, a good example is maybe immigration as you mentioned. Plus those issues dont even divide equally along party lines with numerous positions on them within both parties.
Secondly your also assuming that Latinos will vote enmass for issues that are unlikely to affect them personally outweighing issues that will affect their lives. Such eejitry is only for the political polarising enthusiasts who are consumed by the outrage media thats operate from polarising tenets like progressive/nonprogressive, liberal/conservative, tree-hugger/creationist whatever way you want to phrase them. although admittedly there is more than a few of those in America and immigrants are not immune to it as this thread demonstrates.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 23, 2015, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 23, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: stew on December 22, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.
I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy
Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views
Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more. There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.
I wasnt talking about Gerrymandering in particular I was talking about the attitude to those with an opposing political view.
But Im thinking you might be be homesick Eamonn if you feel the need to label around half the country that you live in as evil.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 23, 2015, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 23, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: stew on December 22, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 22, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.
Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.
You are completely effed in the head!
Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?
I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.
Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.
Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.
I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy
Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views
Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more. There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.
Thank you wee man, so let me get this straight, both sides cheat, the GOP does it more than the dems so you conclude the Republicans are evil and the dems are not?
Democrats tried it in Wisconsin, they even fled the State when Scott Walker got elected, the c***ts scurried to the land of Lincoln and refused to work with a democratically elected Govenor, Illinois is infested with the corrupt democrats, always has been, Chicago is run by democrat gangsters who give not two fucks about the people yet you give them a free pass and hold ONLY the Republicans accountable.
Your last line speaks volumes about your lack of character, if Democrats are at the same shite as the Republicans how come only one side is evil? People like you are what is wrong with this country, illegals walk into the country from the south and you are ok with that, you are ok with breaking the law as long as it suits you, you have no standards nor moral compass to guide you, anything goes and you are not bright enough to not realize that there is good and bad in both parties, neither one is lilly white and people with views other than your own are wrong, how sad.
Hypocrites like you make me sick, both parties are guilty but hey, lets blame the right and exonerate the left because, well, I am a libtard!
Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.
What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority
Suicides, car crashes, even a couple of plane crashes! Is there ANYTHING the Clintons can't and won't do! ;D
Stew, is that another of those chain email or Facebook posts, like the supposed Bill Bennett piece you posted last week?
What's the source?
Quote from: stew on December 23, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Here is a list of bullshit that gets passed around right wing blogs, discussion boards and conspiracy loon sites.
Corrected that for you, you're welcome.
Quote from: stew on December 23, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.
What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: stew on December 23, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.
What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically
Quote from: heganboy on December 23, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Quote from: stew on December 23, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.
What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically
I missed that!
Well spotted!
Quote from: heganboy on December 23, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically
I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 23, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically
I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.
Just noticed that myself... definitely it's the Simple Minds thing threw me!
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 23, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 23, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 23, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Are you Jim Kerr??!!
Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically
I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.
Just noticed that myself... definitely it's the Simple Minds thing threw me!
At least you didnt forget about him... :-[
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them! ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on December 22, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
Being right wing should be more than making rich people richer. A US right wing party should be supportive of the traditional opportunity to better yourself, which should be of interest to the Mexican self employed guy.
The most sensible comment on this thread. Hopefully something that the GOP will come back around to eventually.
Quote from: stew on December 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them! ;)
That's the thing stew - there are plenty of legitimate arguments to make about any politician's policies and positions without resorting to the type of paranoid, incoherent, irrational crap such as those pieces you've posted recently.
Who does the cloak and dagger shite convince beyond some idiot who already has an unhinged view of said politician?
Just because you think there MUST be something to the rumours and innuendo swirling around the Clintons for the past 25 years does not make them true. Remember, after all, that these come from the same cesspool as the stuff the GOP hardline threw at John McCain in South Carolina, telling likely voters that his adopted, Cambodian daughter was a illegitimate child he had with a black woman. Just because the right wing echo chamber repeats something ad nauseum doesn't make it fact.
And the Republicans dug and dug in the 90s and the only thing they got was eventually cornering Clinton into perjuring himself by lying about messing around with Monica Lewinsky.
Quote from: stew on December 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them! ;)
There's always a story - a friend gave you it, an associate perhaps, you saw it on Facebook, your brother's friend's mother's sister's dog gave you it. And it's a Democratic dog of course. You do no research. Who knows if you even read the thing. You simply see something completely outlandish and, without consideration or pause, throw it up in here as some sort of evidence or juicy story. Utterly preposterous.
Quote from: gallsman on December 26, 2015, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: stew on December 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them! ;)
There's always a story - a friend gave you it, an associate perhaps, you saw it on Facebook, your brother's friend's mother's sister's dog gave you it. And it's a Democratic dog of course. You do no research. Who knows if you even read the thing. You simply see something completely outlandish and, without consideration or pause, throw it up in here as some sort of evidence or juicy story. Utterly preposterous.
A mate sent it to me, a liberal friend whom I have known for two decades, I read the thing and I believe these c***ts capable of anything listed on said post but not guilty of all of them, Foster, absolutely 100% guilty in my opinion and if they would do that, why not anything else listed you Gallbladder you. )
Quote from: J70 on December 26, 2015, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: stew on December 24, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
;D ;D
A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them! ;)
That's the thing stew - there are plenty of legitimate arguments to make about any politician's policies and positions without resorting to the type of paranoid, incoherent, irrational crap such as those pieces you've posted recently.
Who does the cloak and dagger shite convince beyond some idiot who already has an unhinged view of said politician?
Just because you think there MUST be something to the rumours and innuendo swirling around the Clintons for the past 25 years does not make them true. Remember, after all, that these come from the same cesspool as the stuff the GOP hardline threw at John McCain in South Carolina, telling likely voters that his adopted, Cambodian daughter was a illegitimate child he had with a black woman. Just because the right wing echo chamber repeats something ad nauseum doesn't make it fact.
And the Republicans dug and dug in the 90s and the only thing they got was eventually cornering Clinton into perjuring himself by lying about messing around with Monica Lewinsky.
I never yet said the GOP lads were lilly white but nobody touches the Clintons for lies, deceit and knavery, and I mean nobody!
CNN, a neutral media outlet ( Me arse) invited a guest on who spoke about Trumps comments on Hillary taking a shite at the start of the debate, he answers by saying he does not give a damn about that at all and mentioned Bubba using a very young intern and said that he turned her into a human humidor, he thought that was lower than what Clinton did to Lowinski, and he is right, he also took a swipe at the HC by saying that she was terrible on womens rights and is a liar in the extreme, the interviewer tried to pidgeonhole him by ONLY speaking about Trump and the guy refused, the Interviewer ended the interview because he didnt get his way.
I tell you this country is fucked, Obamination and Clinton have turned this country into a nation of namby pamby, bleeding heart wankers that get offended by the slightest thing, one guy used the word niggardly in a sentence and people lost their minds a while back, they were offended and they did not even know what the f**king word means! Arseholes.
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
....Italians, Jews, Germans, Scots-Irish, Pilgrims all got a bit of discrimination when they arrived...its a right of passage you must go thru to enable your descendants to keep up the tradition.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 27, 2015, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
....Italians, Jews, Germans, Scots-Irish, Pilgrims all got a bit of discrimination when they arrived...its a right of passage you must go thru to enable your descendants to keep up the tradition.
Please tell me this is just a really poorly judged attempt at irony. Please tell me that.
Quote from: stew on December 27, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
CNN, a neutral media outlet ( Me arse) invited a guest on who spoke about Trumps comments on Hillary taking a shite at the start of the debate, he answers by saying he does not give a damn about that at all and mentioned Bubba using a very young intern and said that he turned her into a human humidor, he thought that was lower than what Clinton did to Lowinski, and he is right, he also took a swipe at the HC by saying that she was terrible on womens rights and is a liar in the extreme, the interviewer tried to pidgeonhole him by ONLY speaking about Trump and the guy refused, the Interviewer ended the interview because he didnt get his way.
I tell you this country is fucked, Obamination and Clinton have turned this country into a nation of namby pamby, bleeding heart w**kers that get offended by the slightest thing, one guy used the word niggardly in a sentence and people lost their minds a while back, they were offended and they did not even know what the f**king word means! Arseholes.
If Trump didn't "give a damn" about Hillary taking a shite, why did he feel the need to mention it at all, much less make a big deal out of it being "disgusting"?
He's full of shit, and if you believe him...
Trump is an sc**bag without an ounce of integrity who is using every tactic in the book to win favour with unintelligent morons through fear, innuendo, bald-faced lying and meaningless, baseless policy "proposals". Its like Homer Simpson running for town sanitation boss, telling idiotic people what they want to hear. I'll take a Clinton, flaws, warts and all, over that any day of the week.
And as for Trump preaching about morality...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 28, 2015, 03:48:08 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 27, 2015, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
....Italians, Jews, Germans, Scots-Irish, Pilgrims all got a bit of discrimination when they arrived...its a right of passage you must go thru to enable your descendants to keep up the tradition.
Please tell me this is just a really poorly judged attempt at irony. Please tell me that.
Are you concocting umbrage to induce yourself into outrage?
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 28, 2015, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 28, 2015, 03:48:08 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 27, 2015, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
....Italians, Jews, Germans, Scots-Irish, Pilgrims all got a bit of discrimination when they arrived...its a right of passage you must go thru to enable your descendants to keep up the tradition.
Please tell me this is just a really poorly judged attempt at irony. Please tell me that.
Are you concocting umbrage to induce yourself into outrage?
So it wasn't irony at all.
Your response to a post referencing the genocide perpetuated on native americans and the experience of slaves and their descendants is to pass it off as "a bit of discrimination" which is merely a "rite of passage" and a tradition to be kept up.
No, no umbrage or outrage on my part, just disappointment.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 29, 2015, 02:57:24 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 28, 2015, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 28, 2015, 03:48:08 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 27, 2015, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Time ye went back to being real men- murdering Native Americans, putting Blacks, Damn Mexicans, Micks and women in their rightful places.....
....Italians, Jews, Germans, Scots-Irish, Pilgrims all got a bit of discrimination when they arrived...its a right of passage you must go thru to enable your descendants to keep up the tradition.
Please tell me this is just a really poorly judged attempt at irony. Please tell me that.
Are you concocting umbrage to induce yourself into outrage?
So it wasn't irony at all.
Your response to a post referencing the genocide perpetuated on native americans and the experience of slaves and their descendants is to pass it off as "a bit of discrimination" which is merely a "rite of passage" and a tradition to be kept up.
No, no umbrage or outrage on my part, just disappointment.
Irony is all about perception, much like this little tale you've invented for yourself, but please run with it.
Tho Im intrigued how you can be disappointed without having taken umbrage to some degree or other?
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
What the actual f**k??!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
Quote from: Owenmoresider on December 24, 2015, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 22, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
Being right wing should be more than making rich people richer. A US right wing party should be supportive of the traditional opportunity to better yourself, which should be of interest to the Mexican self employed guy.
The most sensible comment on this thread. Hopefully something that the GOP will come back around to eventually.
I wouldn't hold my breath Owenmoresider. And it's not just the GOP that suffers from this, practically every government in western Europe is the same.
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2016, 12:12:29 PM
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
What the actual f**k??!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
Holy jebus Wrong thread, should be in the WTF!!
In absolutely yuuuuuuge news, Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us/politics/donald-trump-sarah-palin.html
Quote from: dec on January 19, 2016, 09:57:25 PM
In absolutely yuuuuuuge news, Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us/politics/donald-trump-sarah-palin.html
Jesus Christ, I've just seen the full 20 minute video. It's, eh, something else.
Of, and it turns out that for all her family values nonsense, along with a teen mom for a daughter, she failed to raise her son to be someone who doesn't beat women.
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
just for laughs - republican journalist infiltrates bernie saunders rally:
http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/rick-bubba-producer-dons-hippie-poncho-infiltrates-bernies-alabama-rally-with-a-camera/ (http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/rick-bubba-producer-dons-hippie-poncho-infiltrates-bernies-alabama-rally-with-a-camera/)
The Demo debate was on this week and all yis can talk about his Trump and Pailn :'(.
Sanders seems to be giving Clinton a real run for her money, I didn't see all or even most of it but I had a great laugh at Hillary squirming when the doners came up, Goldman Sachs? FFS it says it all
Ironically the stuff that she is coming out with today about his policies not being workable in the real world might be right as it would be a tough gig to get them thru congress. However it makes her sound like a bit of an eejit as she is basically saying, dont vote for what you believe in, compromise and vote for me.
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: dec on January 19, 2016, 09:57:25 PM
In absolutely yuuuuuuge news, Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us/politics/donald-trump-sarah-palin.html
Jesus Christ, I've just seen the full 20 minute video. It's, eh, something else.
Of, and it turns out that for all her family values nonsense, along with a teen mom for a daughter, she failed to raise her son to be someone who doesn't beat women.
The son has ptsd apparently.
Quote from: stew on January 22, 2016, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: dec on January 19, 2016, 09:57:25 PM
In absolutely yuuuuuuge news, Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us/politics/donald-trump-sarah-palin.html
Jesus Christ, I've just seen the full 20 minute video. It's, eh, something else.
Of, and it turns out that for all her family values nonsense, along with a teen mom for a daughter, she failed to raise her son to be someone who doesn't beat women.
The son has ptsd apparently.
It would certainly be understandable if he did, but I'm not aware that anyone ever claimed this before (although it's a private, personal matter so that's not all that surprising I guess) but:
a) That doesn't make it ok to beat women. There was a firearm involved too.
b) It all seems a tiny bit too convenient given the circumstances and she's getting called out on it by veterans groups.
c) She has disgraced herslef even further by effectively blaming Obama for it and attempting to use it as a stick to beat him with.
The woman is an absolute disaster and I fail to understand her continued appeal to anyone capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time.
An awful lot of yanks don't seem to be capable doing those 2 things - hence electing Bush, and the popularity of tr**p and Palin post.
What about you liberals who want Clinton elected when the hoir should be in jail, she lied her ass of about her emsils, now it has been found that at least two of them are higher than top secrets, so much so that the lawmakers cannot see them and by the way, these emails were on an insecure server and this will cost American lives and a lot of people in the via etc are vulnerable, in short they reckon bad people had access to this shit, but go Hillary! Blinkers.
Did those bad people wear black hats?
Just watching Citizen Koch on Netflix. . . Never realised the campaign finance reform was behind the Tea Party nonsense. Is there any chance of Democrats winning back congress with the Koch's bankrolling basically every Republican??
Add to that the blatant gerrymandering as well as SCOTUS reversing provisions of the Voting Rights Act that kept an eye on districts with records of cheating.
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
DNC are in panic mode?
Have you seen this week's edition of National Review?
They're pulling out all the stops to try to torpedo Trump! 22 different opinion pieces!
When he is the logical conclusion, personified, of their own white resentment politics!
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
DNC are in panic mode?
Have you seen this week's edition of National Review?
They're pulling out all the stops to try to torpedo Trump! 22 different opinion pieces!
When he is the logical conclusion, personified, of their own white resentment politics!
????????
Whats "white resentment politics".........Ive never heard that term before.
Who or what are they resentful of?
(I already knew the Repubs were in full panic mode, I was just pointing out that the Dems are too)
(Of the leading candidates in the Republican primary, 2 are hispanic and one is African American so Im completely confused)
Much as I love Bernie, it's still looking good for Clinton. She got quite a bounce when Biden pulled out:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html)
Although Sanders seems to be pulling ahead in New Hampshire, which could change things:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html)
South Carolina's the real test though, and Sanders has a lot of ground to catch up there. I don't see how he can, with Clinton over 60% and Sanders on 20%:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html)
They say South Carolina is where reality starts to kick in since it's more representative of the country. Which is alarming from the point of view of the GOP race. Trump seems to have the upper hand in SC, but the rise of Cruz is interesting. He's an extremist who hasn't a hope of beating Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-4151.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-4151.html)
My heart says "feel the bern," but my head says Clinton's going to get in and it won't even be close.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
DNC are in panic mode?
Have you seen this week's edition of National Review?
They're pulling out all the stops to try to torpedo Trump! 22 different opinion pieces!
When he is the logical conclusion, personified, of their own white resentment politics!
????????
Whats "white resentment politics".........Ive never heard that term before.
Who or what are they resentful of?
(I already knew the Repubs were in full panic mode, I was just pointing out that the Dems are too)
(Of the leading candidates in the Republican primary, 2 are hispanic and one is African American so Im completely confused)
Seriously? You've never heard of that (even if you don't agree with it)?
Have you ever listened to Trump or Palin or most of the GOP rhetoric in recent years (actually, you can go back 40 years to Reagan and the welfare queens in Harlem!)
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
DNC are in panic mode?
Have you seen this week's edition of National Review?
They're pulling out all the stops to try to torpedo Trump! 22 different opinion pieces!
When he is the logical conclusion, personified, of their own white resentment politics!
????????
Whats "white resentment politics".........Ive never heard that term before.
Who or what are they resentful of?
(I already knew the Repubs were in full panic mode, I was just pointing out that the Dems are too)
(Of the leading candidates in the Republican primary, 2 are hispanic and one is African American so Im completely confused)
Seriously? You've never heard of that (even if you don't agree with it)?
Have you ever listened to Trump or Palin or most of the GOP rhetoric in recent years (actually, you can go back 40 years to Reagan and the welfare queens in Harlem!)
I had never heard that term until I saw it in your post
Id love for you to explain it to me
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2016, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 23, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 22, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: ashman on January 22, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Painful beyond all comprehension listening to her, but on a more positive note looking more and more like Hillarys goose is slowly cooking
http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/
As things stand , Hilary , for all her faults , is the most desirable POTUS .
And she'll win it handily. 16 years of slightly more sanity than usual from the White House.
I'm not so sure, it's going to get real interesting
DNC are in full panic mode.....just after scheduling an extra debate-LOL
DNC are in panic mode?
Have you seen this week's edition of National Review?
They're pulling out all the stops to try to torpedo Trump! 22 different opinion pieces!
When he is the logical conclusion, personified, of their own white resentment politics!
????????
Whats "white resentment politics".........Ive never heard that term before.
Who or what are they resentful of?
(I already knew the Repubs were in full panic mode, I was just pointing out that the Dems are too)
(Of the leading candidates in the Republican primary, 2 are hispanic and one is African American so Im completely confused)
Seriously? You've never heard of that (even if you don't agree with it)?
Have you ever listened to Trump or Palin or most of the GOP rhetoric in recent years (actually, you can go back 40 years to Reagan and the welfare queens in Harlem!)
I had never heard that term until I saw it in your post
Id love for you to explain it to me
There are any number of articles on the internet on it which can explain it much better than me.
But basically it comes down to stoking fears and resentment among GOP voters about Democrats and liberals and all the ways they're supposedly trying to destroy the traditional, white, christian American identity. Wedge issues basically. Think of Fox News hyping up the New Black Panther threat after the 2008 election. Or the war on christmas. The "danger" to the "traditional" family posed by equality for gays. The supposed persecution of christians. The liberal "plot" to strip people of their guns (we're still waiting having entered Obama's eighth year). The abuse of welfare by minorities. Makers and takers and job creators. The evils of affirmative action. Illegal immigrants and their taking away of jobs from American, their inclination towards criminality and, lately, terrorism. Obama supposedly being a Kenyan born muslim. Indeed the dangers of muslims in general.
It goes back to the southern strategy and Nixon's law and order rhetoric and 70s uproars over school busing and Reagan and his welfare queens in Harlem driving Cadillacs. Lee Atwater and Willie Horton.
But as I said, listen to Trump and Palin (if you can understand her incoherent nonsense!). They're only the most obvious and open proponents of the white christian as victim. I not sure who coined the term, but there is a reason many Republicans focus on "god, guns and gays" to whip up fear and thus support among people who might not otherwise share their political outlook. There's a reason none of them had the balls to admit to accepting evolution during the 2012 primaries. Or more lately, climate change science.
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2016, 01:21:27 AM
Obama supposedly being a Kenyan born muslim
What's with the "supposedly" ?
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
I think I see the fault in your claim there. Nobody said that "all" republicans are bigots, but enough of them are that they can swing elections and throw demagogues like Trump to the top of the polls. When a Democrat front-runner starts calling for all muslims to be banned from entering, all illegals to be deported, a Great Wall of America to be built along the Mexican border at the Mexican government's expense, and brags about being able to shoot someone and still not lose any support, only then can you start to play the "one side is as bad as the other" card without people laughing at you.
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
the dems lost the deep south in 1968, whitey. Never got it back apart from Georgia I think
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2016, 04:57:20 AM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
I think I see the fault in your claim there. Nobody said that "all" republicans are bigots, but enough of them are that they can swing elections and throw demagogues like Trump to the top of the polls. When a Democrat front-runner starts calling for all muslims to be banned from entering, all illegals to be deported, a Great Wall of America to be built along the Mexican border at the Mexican government's expense, and brags about being able to shoot someone and still not lose any support, only then can you start to play the "one side is as bad as the other" card without people laughing at you.
Not sure where your getting the "one side as bad as the other card".......that has nothing to do with what were discussing.
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?
Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.
Sanders might have a fighting chance over the Inequality issue. Median US wage has been stagnant for a generation.
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?
Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.
So Republicans use wedge issue to mobilize their base-agreed!
And the Democrats do exactly the same thing just they use different wedge issues.....the biggest one being the so called "war on women".
(Unfortunately for them it has backfired spectacularly on Hillary this go around. And should Bernie dcide to take up the torch, that little op Ed he wrote about rape will come back to haunt him)
Oh and Hillary now trying to paint Bernie as a borderline NRA member even though he gets a D- grade from the NRA. Shows how desperate she is.....that card is normally reserved for the Republicans
I think this election is going to be wild. There are too many losers for stability.
Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?
Quote from: Clov on January 24, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?
Sanders would get the female and Latino vote that killed Romney last time.
Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going. The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.
Quote from: Clov on January 24, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?
Election is decided by the swing voters in the swing states, (so at the end of the day the election is decided by a very tiny minority of voters). I would look to those polls for your answer
If its Trump vs Sanders expect Bloomberg to run
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 24, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going. The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.
The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat
Seafood, I think "socialist" is anathema to many, many Americans, a synonym for "communist" in effect, so toxic a term that I would be stunned if Sanders won all but a handful of states, especially after the inevitable "reds under the bed" media onslaught by the jingoistic GOP.
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 24, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
Seafood, I think "socialist" is anathema to many, many Americans, a synonym for "communist" in effect, so toxic a term that I would be stunned if Sanders won all but a handful of states, especially after the inevitable "reds under the bed" media onslaught by the jingoistic GOP.
I know that but the US economy is falling apart and a lot of what Sanders is saying will resonate with people.
In the Trump v Sanders scenario, Sanders has a decent chance. National polls put him ahead by 47 to 41. However as Whitey says it's the swing states that count because of the electoral college.
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 24, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going. The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.
The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat
GOP fear machine, hmmm, under the pres this past seven years Americans have had plenty to fear, the erosion of civil liberties, big brother listening in on our lives, political correctness gone wild, a complete disaster on the deficit front, foreign policy faux pas, innocent Americans dead based on a lack of caring and balls on behalf of the Secretary of state.
Swapping terrorists for a traitor, the pres announcing 50 elite troups going into enemy territory, endangering their lives, the left is weak, spineless and morally bereft, ultimately nothing will get done because neither party is capable of reason nor true diplomacy, this countries leaders are the worst in my lifetime, and I do mean both left and right!
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 24, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 24, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going. The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.
The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat
GOP fear machine, hmmm, under the pres this past seven years Americans have had plenty to fear, the erosion of civil liberties, big brother listening in on our lives, political correctness gone wild, a complete disaster on the deficit front, foreign policy faux pas, innocent Americans dead based on a lack of caring and balls on behalf of the Secretary of state.
Swapping terrorists for a traitor, the pres announcing 50 elite troups going into enemy territory, endangering their lives, the left is weak, spineless and morally bereft, ultimately nothing will get done because neither party is capable of reason nor true diplomacy, this countries leaders are the worst in my lifetime, and I do mean both left and right!
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!
The big brother shite started under Bush and the GOP after 9-11. Did you complain then?
And tell us, for the umpteenth time Stew, what Obama should have done, fiscally, with the hand that he was dealt in January 2009?
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 04:43:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?
Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.
So Republicans use wedge issue to mobilize their base-agreed!
And the Democrats do exactly the same thing just they use different wedge issues.....the biggest one being the so called "war on women".
(Unfortunately for them it has backfired spectacularly on Hillary this go around. And should Bernie dcide to take up the torch, that little op Ed he wrote about rape will come back to haunt him)
Oh and Hillary now trying to paint Bernie as a borderline NRA member even though he gets a D- grade from the NRA. Shows how desperate she is.....that card is normally reserved for the Republicans
The difference being that the "war on women" issues have some legitimacy. Republicans do want to end abortion and restrict contraception (and you can agree with them tas that a good thing -I'm not commenting on that here). They ARE hostile to efforts to combat relative female salary deficits.
On the other hand, NO democrat is talking about doing away with the right of people to own guns (even if some individually feel this way, its a futile, losing issue). There is NO war on christmas or christians.
But overall, the Republican wedge issues focus on mobilizing white christians, mostly outside the big cities. All the things that are supposedly changing the country for the worse, whether that is gays, muslims, immigrants, atheists, environmentalists, feminists etc. etc. It's all about the "I want my country back!" crowd. Hence, the "politics of white resentment".
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 24, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?
Election is decided by the swing voters in the swing states, (so at the end of the day the election is decided by a very tiny minority of voters). I would look to those polls for your answer
Ordinarily, yes. But more "extreme" candidates such as Trump and Sanders could put more into play, either way. If one becomes perceived as way more extreme than the other, some ordinarily safe states might be up for grabs.
Or you may be right and the Dems may be starting on 230 electoral votes and the GOP on 200 once again, no matter who the nominees are.
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 04:43:08 PM
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Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.
Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.
That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT
As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......
Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?
Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.
So Republicans use wedge issue to mobilize their base-agreed!
And the Democrats do exactly the same thing just they use different wedge issues.....the biggest one being the so called "war on women".
(Unfortunately for them it has backfired spectacularly on Hillary this go around. And should Bernie dcide to take up the torch, that little op Ed he wrote about rape will come back to haunt him)
Oh and Hillary now trying to paint Bernie as a borderline NRA member even though he gets a D- grade from the NRA. Shows how desperate she is.....that card is normally reserved for the Republicans
I just read the "op-ed about rape".
Its not about rape. Its about gender roles in flux in the midst of the feminist revolution and the resulting effects on relationships and sex. Extremely weird and far from eloquent, for sure. I'm sure he could have chosen some other more suitable fantasies to paint the picture of the struggles of the typical man and woman in his theory. Did men commonly think that women secretly fantasized about being raped by multiple men in 1972?
Yeah, he'll have to answer questions on it for sure, but in context he's hardly suggesting that rape is something that's harmless. Sexual fantasies run the gamut. I'm sure you've seen enough and been on enough porn sites in your time to realize that there are a wide range of tastes out there!
What is way more relevant that some idiotic opinion piece he wrote 44 years ago are his policies and politics as a mayor and US senator. If he's weak on women's issues in those, well then maybe his detractors can trace it back to his perception of what women REALLY want!
As for Hillary, of course she's hitting Sanders with whatever she can find! He's neck and neck with her!
Not quite as desperate and shameless as Trump and his birther shtick in fairness! Although in his case it seems to be working!
LOL...so all the Republicans wedge issues are manufactured and all the Democrats wedge issues are legitimate??????
You and I know the rape issue is nonsense, but in a GE all types of stuff is dragged up...remember the one about Mitt Romney driving with the Irish Red Setter on the roof of his station wagon.
Bernie is not the most articulate of speakers so I can absolutely see him bumbling his way through that answer!
Oh and one of Hillarys surrogates, David Brock just played the race card attacking Bernies new ad:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/21/david-brock-ally-of-hillary-clinton-skewers-new-bernie-sanders-ad/
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2016, 10:53:43 PM
LOL...so all the Republicans wedge issues are manufactured and all the Democrats wedge issues are legitimate??????
You and I know the rape issue is nonsense, but in a GE all types of stuff is dragged up...remember the one about Mitt Romney driving with the Irish Red Setter on the roof of his station wagon.
Bernie is not the most articulate of speakers so I can absolutely see him bumbling his way through that answer!
Oh and one of Hillarys surrogates, David Brock just played the race card attacking Bernies new ad:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/21/david-brock-ally-of-hillary-clinton-skewers-new-bernie-sanders-ad/
Not all, of course, but for the most part, IMO, yes.
But I'm perfectly willing to take a look at them one by one over the next while if you like.
Romney's dog was NEVER a serious issue! Not like, say, the 47% gaffe.
But yeah, everything is magnified and "outrage" is the order of the day in a general election.
That's why I'm all in favour of Hillary getting a serious challenge from Sanders. Get all the shite, the hypocrisy, the trying-to-have-it-both-ways etc., out in the open now.
(Brock is a strange one BTW. Was one of the prime attack dogs of the right in the 90s, then saw the error of his ways, did a total about turn and ended up founding Media Matters!)
Its actually similar to the debate among some on the right regarding Ted Cruz's birther "issues". Some reckon, idiotic or not on the part of Trump, that it might be better to actually go ahead and get it tested in the courts NOW, just in case, and rather than have it hanging over them in October or, worse, later. Especially as Cruz himself, being a constitutional originalist, is the type of person who philosophically, if he's consistent, should be questioning his OWN right to run for president. Most other people don't care, but its people like him who make such a song and dance about what the founders meant at the very second they drafted the constitution.
QuoteChomsky said the GOP and its presidential candidates are "literally a serious danger to decent human survival" and cited Republicans' rejection of measures to deal with climate change, which he called a "looming environmental catastrophe."
Chomsky eh?
So, lads and lassies, if Bloomberg does throw his hat into the ring, which party is hurt more? My gut reaction is that the Dems have more to lose. Business-friendly but socially liberal, he is not well received outside NY, it seems to me, so I think he'd be more likely to poach votes from Clinton and definitely Sanders, and abracadabra, let me introduce to you President Trump or President Cruz. Horrorshow!
Jesus lads this Doco on C4 is scary shit!!! The people he's appealing to are basically getting swayed by propaganda and he has yet to set out his vision for America other than 'build a wall' and 'Muslims out'.
The World is cowped if that clown gets elected!
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 26, 2016, 06:05:39 PM
So, lads and lassies, if Bloomberg does throw his hat into the ring, which party is hurt more? My gut reaction is that the Dems have more to lose. Business-friendly but socially liberal, he is not well received outside NY, it seems to me, so I think he'd be more likely to poach votes from Clinton and definitely Sanders, and abracadabra, let me introduce to you President Trump or President Cruz. Horrorshow!
I would agree. All it will take is one mention of supersized soft drinks and the average GOP voter will be up in arms about the nanny state. This despite him being a completely pro-development Wall St dude. I guess he espouses those New York values that Cruz doesn't like!
I thought he did a very good job as mayor of NYC. I actually voted for him, despite the R after his name! :P
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Jesus lads this Doco on C4 is scary shit!!! The people he's appealing to are basically getting swayed by propaganda and he has yet to set out his vision for America other than 'build a wall' and 'Muslims out'.
The World is cowped if that clown gets elected!
Yeah but will the people he appeals to vote, even if by some miracle he becomes the republican candidate he will never win, that rape incident must be raised soon.
Quote from: No wides on January 27, 2016, 08:43:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Jesus lads this Doco on C4 is scary shit!!! The people he's appealing to are basically getting swayed by propaganda and he has yet to set out his vision for America other than 'build a wall' and 'Muslims out'.
The World is cowped if that clown gets elected!
Yeah but will the people he appeals to vote, even if by some miracle he becomes the republican candidate he will never win, that rape incident must be raised soon.
It'll get glossed over! He'll call the people who bring it up weak and losers and move on to the next thing as if it never happened!
The Megyn Kelly comment didn't hurt him a bit even with women voters!! It'll be interesting to see how the stand off with Fox News & the Iowa debate plays out. . . it doesn't look like Fox is backing down but can Trump's ego take not being the centre of attention in a debate in Iowa??!!
The stalking of Selina Scott was outrageous and no matter what that tool Salmond says, he allowed him to run a muck in Scotland.
The kind of mind that is convinced that Hilary and Bill Clinton were involved in the 'murder' of Vince Foster should have no problem hand-waving away Donald Trump's, shall we say, foibles.
I fear that the kind of mind that is attracted to the hateful rhetoric of Trump would find his abuse of his wife not reprehensible but the opposite.
Quote from: Hardy on January 27, 2016, 03:02:23 PM
I fear that the kind of mind that is attracted to the hateful rhetoric of Trump would find his abuse of his wife not reprehensible but the opposite.
Wheres the outrage at Hillary for enabling a serial sexual abuser and sexual predator for decades?
Where's the outrage at Hillary attacking and bellittling his accusers?
Democrats are the biggest fvcking hypocrites in the world.....Ted Kennedy re elected own and time again after leaving a young woman to drown while he slink away into the night to save his skin
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 27, 2016, 03:02:23 PM
I fear that the kind of mind that is attracted to the hateful rhetoric of Trump would find his abuse of his wife not reprehensible but the opposite.
Wheres the outrage at Hillary for enabling a serial sexual abuser and sexual predator for decades?
Where's the outrage at Hillary attacking and bellittling his accusers?
Democrats are the biggest fvcking hypocrites in the world.....Ted Kennedy re elected own and time again after leaving a young woman to drown while he slink away into the night to save his skin
Surely a lesser of two evils Whitey??
Not that I ever would but I assume its the same as voting Labour in England!
Bloomberg would attract moderates form both parties, mainstream Republicans are screaming out for a candidate that is more moderate, they are mostly embarrassed by what has happened to their party. Romney had to go all the way to the right in 2012 to get nominated when he came back to the middle during the election he was made look like a complete hypocrite. Bloomberg as an independent would not have to appeal to the wack jobs on the right.
I am a registered Democrat, Hillary doesn't really appeal to me so if its between Trump, Clinton or Bloomberg I would definitely consider Bloomberg.
I think it's generally accepted that Chappaquiddick harmed Teddy Kennedy's prospects for getting the Democratic nomination, both in 1972 and in 1980. I wonder what would harm Donald Trump's standing among Republicans who are currently planning to vote for him.
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
I think it's generally accepted that Chappaquiddick harmed Teddy Kennedy's prospects for getting the Democratic nomination, both in 1972 and in 1980. I wonder what would harm Donald Trump's standing among Republicans who are currently planning to vote for him.
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
The families of those he brands as terrorists that he plans to kill when he is President amount to a whole lot of Chappaquiddicks. I wonder how you'd have reacted if a British politician suggested during the Troubles that this was a reasonable way of dealing with the Provos.
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 27, 2016, 03:02:23 PM
I fear that the kind of mind that is attracted to the hateful rhetoric of Trump would find his abuse of his wife not reprehensible but the opposite.
Wheres the outrage at Hillary for enabling a serial sexual abuser and sexual predator for decades?
Where's the outrage at Hillary attacking and bellittling his accusers?
Democrats are the biggest fvcking hypocrites in the world.....Ted Kennedy re elected own and time again after leaving a young woman to drown while he slink away into the night to save his skin
Shhhhh whitey, these libtardz will not stand for anything other than blind faith to the liberal cause, most of these clowns have never spent more than two weeks stateside but by God they are experts on all things yankee, Hillary strap on Clinton is an enemy of women's rights but these f**kers on here can justify anything for their liberal cause, they sicken me.
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
Shhhhh whitey, these libtardz will not stand for anything other than blind faith to the liberal cause, most of these clowns have never spent more than two weeks stateside but by God they are experts on all things yankee, Hillary strap on Clinton is an enemy of women's rights but these f**kers on here can justify anything for their liberal cause, they sicken me.
Lol.
I love how you pretend you give a shite about women's rights yet abuse Clinton regularly in the most sexist and misogynistic terms. Are you Rush Limbaugh?
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
The families of those he brands as terrorists that he plans to kill when he is President amount to a whole lot of Chappaquiddicks. I wonder how you'd have reacted if a British politician suggested during the Troubles that this was a reasonable way of dealing with the Provos.
Keep on topic....someone leveled a rape accusation against Trump and I asked what it was
(because I hadnt heard about it)
Quote from: gallsman on January 27, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
Shhhhh whitey, these libtardz will not stand for anything other than blind faith to the liberal cause, most of these clowns have never spent more than two weeks stateside but by God they are experts on all things yankee, Hillary strap on Clinton is an enemy of women's rights but these f**kers on here can justify anything for their liberal cause, they sicken me.
Lol.
I love how you pretend you give a shite about women's rights yet abuse Clinton regularly in the most sexist and misogynistic terms. Are you Rush Limbaugh?
And I love how you follow me around like a most puppy.
As for women's rights, they should have the same rights as afforded men, period, end of.
Your hero Hillary is no friend to weeks rights, look at what she had to say about her husband's victims/lovers.
Let me be equally arbirtrary, are you Karl Marx.
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
The families of those he brands as terrorists that he plans to kill when he is President amount to a whole lot of Chappaquiddicks. I wonder how you'd have reacted if a British politician suggested during the Troubles that this was a reasonable way of dealing with the Provos.
Keep on topic....someone leveled a rape accusation against Trump and I asked what it was
(because I hadnt heard about it)
The topic we were discussing was that I was wondering what would harm Donald Trump's standing among Republicans who are currently planning to vote for him. Any thoughts?
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
The families of those he brands as terrorists that he plans to kill when he is President amount to a whole lot of Chappaquiddicks. I wonder how you'd have reacted if a British politician suggested during the Troubles that this was a reasonable way of dealing with the Provos.
Keep on topic....someone leveled a rape accusation against Trump and I asked what it was
(because I hadnt heard about it)
The topic we were discussing was that I was wondering what would harm Donald Trump's standing among Republicans who are currently planning to vote for him. Any thoughts?
The realisation that he screwed thousands of 'working class' people when his casinos went tits up!
The righ hates Clinton and will vote for anyone other than that piece of shit, the lefties will do the same to whatever republican gets through, this is the weakest pool running for the highest office I have ever seen.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 27, 2016, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
What's Trumps Chapaquidick?
The families of those he brands as terrorists that he plans to kill when he is President amount to a whole lot of Chappaquiddicks. I wonder how you'd have reacted if a British politician suggested during the Troubles that this was a reasonable way of dealing with the Provos.
Keep on topic....someone leveled a rape accusation against Trump and I asked what it was
(because I hadnt heard about it)
The topic we were discussing was that I was wondering what would harm Donald Trump's standing among Republicans who are currently planning to vote for him. Any thoughts?
The realisation that he screwed thousands of 'working class' people when his casinos went tits up!
How did he do that ?
I thought pretty much every Casino in AC went bankrupt
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 27, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
Shhhhh whitey, these libtardz will not stand for anything other than blind faith to the liberal cause, most of these clowns have never spent more than two weeks stateside but by God they are experts on all things yankee, Hillary strap on Clinton is an enemy of women's rights but these f**kers on here can justify anything for their liberal cause, they sicken me.
Lol.
I love how you pretend you give a shite about women's rights yet abuse Clinton regularly in the most sexist and misogynistic terms. Are you Rush Limbaugh?
And I love how you follow me around like a most puppy.
As for women's rights, they should have the same rights as afforded men, period, end of.
Your hero Hillary is no friend to weeks rights, look at what she had to say about her husband's victims/lovers.
Let me be equally arbirtrary, are you Karl Marx.
Well, just what DID she have to say that was so outrageous?
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 27, 2016, 03:02:23 PM
I fear that the kind of mind that is attracted to the hateful rhetoric of Trump would find his abuse of his wife not reprehensible but the opposite.
Wheres the outrage at Hillary for enabling a serial sexual abuser and sexual predator for decades?
Where's the outrage at Hillary attacking and bellittling his accusers?
Democrats are the biggest fvcking hypocrites in the world.....Ted Kennedy re elected own and time again after leaving a young woman to drown while he slink away into the night to save his skin
How the hell did she "enable" his supposed "sexual abuse" and "predation"?
And what abuse are you talking about? That he is a serial philanderer is established (like half the politicians in DC). That he raped or otherwise abused anyone is not, outside of the right wing talk radio bubble, that is. Even Ken Starr wouldn't touch Juanita Broderick FFS.
As for hypocrisy, there's been plenty of lowlifes reelected repeatedly on the Republican side too. Kennedy certainly one of the, if not the, worst case, but there's plenty to go around. When it comes down to a choice between holding your nose to empower your own side politically at the expense of the other side, people generally side with policy over character. That probably comes with the two party set-up. There's a lot at stake if a senate seat or two go the other way. When a major national office like president is on the line, they're a little more discriminating in terms of character.
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
The righ hates Clinton and will vote for anyone other than that piece of shit, the lefties will do the same to whatever republican gets through, this is the weakest pool running for the highest office I have ever seen.
Yes, it is shockingly poor!
Hillary can thank her lucky stars that the Democrats had no genuine up and coming stars this time around. At least Sanders is there to give her some kind of run for her money, for whatever that is worth. But Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb?? :o
And on the other side, to think the right wing were gloating a couple of years ago about the superb "deep bench" of candidates they would have to choose from this time around! ;D
Although in reality, its not going to be that funny at the end of the day if Trump or even Cruz are elected president. Say what you will about Hillary, but she will be fairly pragmatic and pretty much a status quo president. The big issue, health care, has been done. Who the hell knows what's in store if Trump or Cruz get in?!!
War
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
No, Trump is an egomaniac who would NEVER be anyone's puppet. On the other hand, he hardly seems like a true believer. Instead, he (correctly) saw his best chance of progress in pushing the buttons of the Republican base, whether or not he personally believes in or cares about half the shit he says.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
I'm sticking with that theory. Trump's work is done. He's baited the conservative idiots into a bidding war to see who can appeal to the lowest information, least informed, most bigoted, Stew-like voter. He has turned the GOP primaries into one big circus that no swing voter in their right mind is going to take seriously. Now at the eleventh hour, with actual voting imminent, he's pulling out of the debates and leaving the way clear for that wing nut Cruz to show himself up for the fascist antichrist he is.
Barring a late Sanders surge in S Carolina, it's game, set and match to Hillary.
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
The righ hates Clinton and will vote for anyone other than that piece of shit, the lefties will do the same to whatever republican gets through, this is the weakest pool running for the highest office I have ever seen.
Core GOP and Dem are 40% each
The winner has to get the don't knows Last time that was women and Latinos
Trump is not going to get the female vote
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2016, 10:59:37 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2016, 05:37:07 PM
The righ hates Clinton and will vote for anyone other than that piece of shit, the lefties will do the same to whatever republican gets through, this is the weakest pool running for the highest office I have ever seen.
Core GOP and Dem are 40% each
The winner has to get the don't knows Last time that was women and Latinos
Trump is not going to get the female vote
He's not doing himself any favours with Latinos either with his Mexican rapists and "big beautiful wall" at the border, paid for by Mexicans, rhetoric.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2016, 10:59:37 PM
Trump is not going to get the female vote
Well if he can pull a looker like the current missus Trump how can you be so sure about his appeal to women?
Quote from: foxcommander on January 29, 2016, 01:21:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2016, 10:59:37 PM
Trump is not going to get the female vote
Well if he can pull a looker like the current missus Trump how can you be so sure about his appeal to women?
The average female voter is going to be seduced by the lifestyle his billions can give her?
Sanders and Clinton neck-and-neck in Iowa.
Sanders pulling well ahead in New Hampshire.
Sanders still way behind Clinton in South Carolina but steadily closing the gap. Clinton seems to have lost nearly half the gains she made in SC when Biden pulled out.
Clinton's machine looks a bit rattled. The Washington Post and Think Progress are upping the anti-Bernie ante. Today the WaPo posted a story trying to argue that it doesn't really matter if a candidate (like Clinton) is untrustworthy and Think Progress has taken to misrepresenting Bernie's statements. In fact the WaPo has been getting more and more desperate and clutching at anti-Bernie straws of late.
If Sanders pulls off wins in IA and NH then I wonder if that'll catch the attention of the voters in SC and cause them to listen a bit more to what Bernie has to say. Jesus boy this could be interesting.
What would be the chances of anyone in the US Election saying something as articulate and sensible as this . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justin-trudeau-canada-diversity-education_us_56a7af7de4b01a3ed123f47e?ir=Politics§ion=us_politics&utm_hp_ref=politics
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 04:35:02 AM
Sanders and Clinton neck-and-neck in Iowa.
Sanders pulling well ahead in New Hampshire.
Sanders still way behind Clinton in South Carolina but steadily closing the gap. Clinton seems to have lost nearly half the gains she made in SC when Biden pulled out.
Clinton's machine looks a bit rattled. The Washington Post and Think Progress are upping the anti-Bernie ante. Today the WaPo posted a story trying to argue that it doesn't really matter if a candidate (like Clinton) is untrustworthy and Think Progress has taken to misrepresenting Bernie's statements. In fact the WaPo has been getting more and more desperate and clutching at anti-Bernie straws of late.
If Sanders pulls off wins in IA and NH then I wonder if that'll catch the attention of the voters in SC and cause them to listen a bit more to what Bernie has to say. Jesus boy this could be interesting.
Washington Post hit job on Bernie.....great ammunition for the Republicans if he wins the nomination
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-fiction-filled-campaign/2016/01/27/cd1b2866-c478-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html
Quote from: whitey on January 29, 2016, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 04:35:02 AM
Sanders and Clinton neck-and-neck in Iowa.
Sanders pulling well ahead in New Hampshire.
Sanders still way behind Clinton in South Carolina but steadily closing the gap. Clinton seems to have lost nearly half the gains she made in SC when Biden pulled out.
Clinton's machine looks a bit rattled. The Washington Post and Think Progress are upping the anti-Bernie ante. Today the WaPo posted a story trying to argue that it doesn't really matter if a candidate (like Clinton) is untrustworthy and Think Progress has taken to misrepresenting Bernie's statements. In fact the WaPo has been getting more and more desperate and clutching at anti-Bernie straws of late.
If Sanders pulls off wins in IA and NH then I wonder if that'll catch the attention of the voters in SC and cause them to listen a bit more to what Bernie has to say. Jesus boy this could be interesting.
Washington Post hit job on Bernie.....great ammunition for the Republicans if he wins the nomination
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-fiction-filled-campaign/2016/01/27/cd1b2866-c478-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html
It is not a very good hit job
"The existence of large banks and lax campaign finance laws explains why working Americans are not thriving, he says, and why the progressive agenda has not advanced. Here is a reality check: Wall Street has already undergone a round of reform, significantly reducing the risks big banks pose to the financial system. The evolution and structure of the world economy, not mere corporate deck-stacking, explained many of the big economic challenges the country still faces. And even with radical campaign finance reform, many Americans and their representatives would still oppose the Sanders agenda."
Americans are not getting pay rises
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/15/40-YEARS-OF-ECONOMIC-POLICY-IN-ONE-CHART/
"He admits that he would have to raise taxes on the middle class in order to pay for his universal, Medicare-for-all health-care plan, and he promises massive savings on health-care costs that would translate into generous benefits for ordinary people, putting them well ahead, on net. But he does not adequately explain where those massive savings would come from. "
US healthcare spending is 20% of GDP vs 13% in Europe
Massive price gouging
"his advisers claimed that more government spending "will result in higher growth, which will improve our fiscal situation." This resembles Republican arguments that tax cuts will juice the economy and pay for themselves — and is equally fanciful. "
Pay rises will generate growth
It was very like a Stephen Collins article
Maybe you have a different definition of a hit job to me, but for a left wing publication to say things like they have is almost as mind numbing as Megyn Kelly inviting Michael Moore on her show to attack Trump
" But Mr. Sanders is not a brave truth-teller. He is a politician selling his own brand of fiction to a slice of the country that eagerly wants to buy"
"When reality is ideologically or politically inconvenient, he and his campaign talk around it. Mr. Sanders's success so far does not show that the country is ready for a political revolution. It merely proves that many progressives like being told everything they want to hear."
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 28, 2016, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
I'm sticking with that theory. Trump's work is done. He's baited the conservative idiots into a bidding war to see who can appeal to the lowest information, least informed, most bigoted, Stew-like voter. He has turned the GOP primaries into one big circus that no swing voter in their right mind is going to take seriously. Now at the eleventh hour, with actual voting imminent, he's pulling out of the debates and leaving the way clear for that wing nut Cruz to show himself up for the fascist antichrist he is.
Barring a late Sanders surge in S Carolina, it's game, set and match to Hillary.
Listen you tube, I am no bigot nor would I vote for that bastard, I know more than you will ever know about American politics you ignoramus.
Bernie sanders has no chance of ever being potus anyone who thinks different Wise up
Quote from: stew on January 29, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 28, 2016, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
I'm sticking with that theory. Trump's work is done. He's baited the conservative idiots into a bidding war to see who can appeal to the lowest information, least informed, most bigoted, Stew-like voter. He has turned the GOP primaries into one big circus that no swing voter in their right mind is going to take seriously. Now at the eleventh hour, with actual voting imminent, he's pulling out of the debates and leaving the way clear for that wing nut Cruz to show himself up for the fascist antichrist he is.
Barring a late Sanders surge in S Carolina, it's game, set and match to Hillary.
Listen you tube, I am no bigot nor would I vote for that b**tard, I know more than you will ever know about American politics you ignoramus.
Oh dear..... What a nasty little maneen.
Did Stew just say something?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Did Stew just say something?
As always, nothing of value. Or substance. Or the truth.
Quote from: Gmac on January 29, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Bernie sanders has no chance of ever being potus anyone who thinks different Wise up
I agree, but the more important question is can he win the Democratic nomination
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Did Stew just say something?
As always, nothing of value. Or substance. Or the truth.
In his defence, he rose to the bait beautifully.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/13/donald-trump-sounds-acts-adolf-hitler-running-fuhrer.html
The reason Trump is leading Republicans is due to the hate, lack of intelligence and sheer terror of any and everything among his followers. According to a profile of Trump supporters, "One half of his voters have a high school education or less which is why Trump appeals to that special breed of southern Republican; with a particularly special appeal to Texans."
Trump's pattern of elevating emotional appeals over rational ones is a rhetorical style that historians, psychologists and political scientists placed in the tradition of Goldwater, George Wallace, Joseph McCarthy, Huey Long and Pat Buchanan." In fact, in responding to a request from the Times, "Several historians watched Trump's speeches last week and observed familiar techniques, like vilifying groups of people and stoking the insecurities of his audiences, that they associate with racist George Wallace and fascist Joseph McCarthy;" two of America's worst, most notorious, and extremely dangerous demagogues.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2016, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 29, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 28, 2016, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2016, 10:09:25 AM
Any thoughts on the Trump = Clinton double agent theory? It appears to have some merit although Trump's Muslims out rhetoric would seem to be too far fetched if he truely was a puppet.
I'm sticking with that theory. Trump's work is done. He's baited the conservative idiots into a bidding war to see who can appeal to the lowest information, least informed, most bigoted, Stew-like voter. He has turned the GOP primaries into one big circus that no swing voter in their right mind is going to take seriously. Now at the eleventh hour, with actual voting imminent, he's pulling out of the debates and leaving the way clear for that wing nut Cruz to show himself up for the fascist antichrist he is.
Barring a late Sanders surge in S Carolina, it's game, set and match to Hillary.
Listen you tube, I am no bigot nor would I vote for that b**tard, I know more than you will ever know about American politics you ignoramus.
Oh dear..... What a nasty little maneen.
Ah now, that's unfair. Eamonnca1 did in fact refer to Trump appealing to the "low information, least informed, most bigoted, Stew-like voter"! I wouldn't have responded too politely myself!
There is something else going on in the Southern states that are pro Trump. Life expectancy for uneducated white males is decreasing. Lots of white men dying in their 50s. Life expectancy for African Americans and educated whites is increasing.
Cruz beats Trump in Iowa. Rubio very close third.
Sanders neck and neck with Hillary.
Clinton 632 Sander 628s. Sweet Jesus this is close.
I think Clinton's gonna take Iowa by the skin of her teeth. Sanders should win a landslide in NH, and by the time South Carolina comes around it'll be interesting to see how much he's closed the gap there.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaMIvP2WYAAbgPB.jpg:large)
Think the overall winner from the GOP will be Rubio
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 30, 2016, 01:09:36 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Did Stew just say something?
As always, nothing of value. Or substance. Or the truth.
In his defence, he rose to the bait beautifully.
To be fair, your personalised the bait. I'd have jumped at it as well.
Phew!!! Does this mean that the Trump nightmare is effectively over??
Funny I watched the Daily show last night and a reporter was being interviewed and said that a lot of people at Trumps rally are the same people showing up over and over again so there is a chance the support he looks to have may not realistically be there.
Cruz is a complete asshole I can't see him winning over the nation when nobody in his own party will vote for him. Choosing between him and Trump really is a choice of dying by poison or serious illness!
On the Democrat side it looks like things are hotting up between Bernie and Hilary. I think it's great that there will be a proper Primary between two worthy candidates!
Was going to put this in the WTF thread
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/a-coin-toss-was-actually-used-to-decide-some-iowa-ties-betwe?utm_term=.ta0M7G5kP#.dlLw7lbpN (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/a-coin-toss-was-actually-used-to-decide-some-iowa-ties-betwe?utm_term=.ta0M7G5kP#.dlLw7lbpN)
My knuckles itch every time I see Ted Cruz's face. I think my fists are going to be raw by the time the GOP convention rolls around.
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Did Stew just say something?
As always, nothing of value. Or substance. Or the truth.
Sweeping statement from the resident uppity kn**ker.
Quote from: screenexile on February 02, 2016, 09:50:53 AM
Phew!!! Does this mean that the Trump nightmare is effectively over??
Funny I watched the Daily show last night and a reporter was being interviewed and said that a lot of people at Trumps rally are the same people showing up over and over again so there is a chance the support he looks to have may not realistically be there.
Cruz is a complete asshole I can't see him winning over the nation when nobody in his own party will vote for him. Choosing between him and Trump really is a choice of dying by poison or serious illness!
On the Democrat side it looks like things are hotting up between Bernie and Hilary. I think it's great that there will be a proper Primary between two worthy candidates!
Two worthy candidates my hole, there is not a decent candidate running ffs.
Clinton a worthy candidate indeed, a bitch that hung four people out to dry and got them killed, the same woman who attacked the skanks that her hubbie was humpin, and also the woman who leaked the very top information wise to the world, a worthy candidate, take a tablet son.
Sanders is good. Old style Jewish cared about people.
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
a bitch that hung four people out to dry and got them killed,
Bullshit
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
the woman who leaked the very top information wise to the world
More Bullshit
Very presumptuous to think Cruz winning an uber religious state he pumped a ton of money and manpower into compared to Trump means Trump is done. If Trump had won it was the end for Cruz, as it stands all he's done is avoid a killing blow.
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2016, 04:26:14 PM
Very presumptuous to think Cruz winning an uber religious state he pumped a ton of money and manpower into compared to Trump means Trump is done. If Trump had won it was the end for Cruz, as it stands all he's done is avoid a killing blow.
Trumps campaign needs the momentum to keep up though. If a wheel starts coming loose somewhere, everyone won't be long in jumping off the bandwagon.´
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 02, 2016, 09:50:53 AM
Phew!!! Does this mean that the Trump nightmare is effectively over??
Funny I watched the Daily show last night and a reporter was being interviewed and said that a lot of people at Trumps rally are the same people showing up over and over again so there is a chance the support he looks to have may not realistically be there.
Cruz is a complete asshole I can't see him winning over the nation when nobody in his own party will vote for him. Choosing between him and Trump really is a choice of dying by poison or serious illness!
On the Democrat side it looks like things are hotting up between Bernie and Hilary. I think it's great that there will be a proper Primary between two worthy candidates!
Two worthy candidates my hole, there is not a decent candidate running ffs.
Clinton a worthy candidate indeed, a bitch that hung four people out to dry and got them killed, the same woman who attacked the skanks that her hubbie was humpin, and also the woman who leaked the very top information wise to the world, a worthy candidate, take a tablet son.
Great to see you're still a champion of women.
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2016, 04:26:14 PM
Very presumptuous to think Cruz winning an uber religious state he pumped a ton of money and manpower into compared to Trump means Trump is done. If Trump had won it was the end for Cruz, as it stands all he's done is avoid a killing blow.
Good way of looking at Trump's prospects here (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump-still-the-one-beat-15090):
QuoteTrump leads in New Hampshire, the moderate state. He leads in South Carolina, the establishment state. He leads in Nevada, the libertarian state. His margins in those places are not narrow. Cruz engineered an impressive victory in Iowa because he had a knack for its evangelical voter base. But can he also arrange wins in other states with different complexions requiring different strategies, all while The Donald looms overhead? Cruz's Iowa efforts were exhaustive. One imagines him waking up tomorrow and thinking, "Now I have to do that again?"
Is Trump fundraising or is he doing this all on his own dime?
Believe he's doing it on his own, gallsman.
Since Trump has wrapped himself in the mantle of invincibility, of being a 'winner', it'll be interesting to see if many in New Hampshire now jump ship. He has charisma, but as the field narrows, it's hard for me to see him extending beyond the around 30% of the Republican horde that he seems to command. Charisma is one thing, but a well-oiled electoral machine is another. Cruz should continue to do well in the evangelical South, but I expect Rubio to make his mark in South Carolina.
And with Rubio emerging as the darling of the establishment, almost beating Trump in Iowa, expect him to make a significant charge, armed with the gazillions of dollars that will inevitably flow to him.
The GOP have no chance.
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2016, 04:26:14 PM
Very presumptuous to think Cruz winning an uber religious state he pumped a ton of money and manpower into compared to Trump means Trump is done. If Trump had won it was the end for Cruz, as it stands all he's done is avoid a killing blow.
History would suggest you are correct. Cruz did fantastically well in mobilizing white evangelical Iowans, but Rick f**king Santorum did likewise (Huckabee too).
However, schadenfreude is a powerful thing when it comes to an unprincipled braggart like Trump. NH will tell the tale. If he slows Cruz' and Rubio's momentum there, he should get back on track. However, Rubio's move may end up in the rest of the vote consolidating around him as others fall away.
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 29, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Did Stew just say something?
As always, nothing of value. Or substance. Or the truth.
Sweeping statement from the resident uppity kn**ker.
Was it something I said?
Well done Bernie.......
Quote from: give her dixie on February 10, 2016, 02:51:59 AM
Well done Bernie.......
I think Hillary is toast......I read (unverified) that the content of her Goldman speeches will be the nail in the coffin. Im looking forward to the Trump Sanders debates.....Donald will rip him to shreds
Quote from: whitey on February 10, 2016, 03:29:58 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on February 10, 2016, 02:51:59 AM
Well done Bernie.......
I think Hillary is toast......I read (unverified) that the content of her Goldman speeches will be the nail in the coffin. Im looking forward to the Trump Sanders debates.....Donald will rip him to shreds
Really? By calling him stupid and poor and ugly? What happens on the national stage when Trump is asked to actually define and articulate a point of policy?
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2016, 05:13:41 PM
Is Trump fundraising or is he doing this all on his own dime?
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Dear God man, do yourself a favour and leave this thread, if you do not know the answer to that basic question you have no business commenting on this thread. Clinton did hang four Americans out to dry, she refused to give them the security they needed despite asking for more security hundreds of times, she also had her staff take the headers of of emails before sending them out at her behest, not bullshit, fact.
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2016, 05:13:41 PM
Is Trump fundraising or is he doing this all on his own dime?
Dear God man, do yourself a favour and leave this thread, if you do not know the answer to that basic question you have no business commenting on this thread. Clinton did hang four Americans out to dry, she refused to give them the security they needed despite asking for more security hundreds of times, she also had her staff take the headers of of emails before sending them out at her behest, not bullshit, fact.
Sigh. I was hoping you'd crawled back into your hole.
No comment from anyone on the Rubio-bot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdY-t4MRqxw)? The look on his face when Christie highlighted it and he realised what he was doing was priceless - then he ploughed on with it anyway! Great stuff.
Quote from: deiseach on February 10, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
No comment from anyone on the Rubio-bot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdY-t4MRqxw)? The look on his face when Christie highlighted it and he realised what he was doing was priceless - then he ploughed on with it anyway! Great stuff.
Ha, I read about that alright but it comes across ten times worse in the video. Christie fairly hammered him on it. Big issue for Rubio while trying to build off the back of his Iowa success. That's a danger with such a wide Republican field - they don't have to be in contention to be able to have a crack at torpedoing someone else's chances.
Bernie will beat Clinton .
Quote from: seafoid on February 10, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
Bernie will beat Clinton .
He's 7/1 with PP to be next President you should put some dough on it!!!
Quote from: gallsman on February 10, 2016, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2016, 05:13:41 PM
Is Trump fundraising or is he doing this all on his own dime?
Dear God man, do yourself a favour and leave this thread, if you do not know the answer to that basic question you have no business commenting on this thread. Clinton did hang four Americans out to dry, she refused to give them the security they needed despite asking for more security hundreds of times, she also had her staff take the headers of of emails before sending them out at her behest, not bullshit, fact.
Sigh. I was hoping you'd crawled back into your hole.
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No such luck, and remember now kid, its Bernie not Deion that is running for President. )
Idon't know if i've seen a year of more division within parties than this year. Neither Bernie or Hilary can really unite the Democrats. There is real venom on both sides you would rarely see.
The same for Republicans - there are hard core Reds who will not endorse Trump -even if he gets the party nomination. Trump really has thrown a spanner in the works here
Quote from: The Iceman on February 10, 2016, 05:03:26 PM
Idon't know if i've seen a year of more division within parties than this year. Neither Bernie or Hilary can really unite the Democrats. There is real venom on both sides you would rarely see.
The same for Republicans - there are hard core Reds who will not endorse Trump -even if he gets the party nomination. Trump really has thrown a spanner in the works here
Is everything falling into place for Bloomberg does anyone think? Let's face it. . . your choice whether you're a Democrat or a Republican is whether you want chicken pox or measles. The standard of candidates on either side of the house is terrible but particularly for the Republicans.
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2016, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 10, 2016, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2016, 05:13:41 PM
Is Trump fundraising or is he doing this all on his own dime?
Dear God man, do yourself a favour and leave this thread, if you do not know the answer to that basic question you have no business commenting on this thread. Clinton did hang four Americans out to dry, she refused to give them the security they needed despite asking for more security hundreds of times, she also had her staff take the headers of of emails before sending them out at her behest, not bullshit, fact.
Sigh. I was hoping you'd crawled back into your hole.
No such luck, and remember now kid, its Bernie not Deion that is running for President. )
I'm impressed you know who either of them are to be honest. You'd be more likely to vote for Colonel Sanders than either of them ffs.
Quote from: screenexile on February 10, 2016, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 10, 2016, 05:03:26 PM
Idon't know if i've seen a year of more division within parties than this year. Neither Bernie or Hilary can really unite the Democrats. There is real venom on both sides you would rarely see.
The same for Republicans - there are hard core Reds who will not endorse Trump -even if he gets the party nomination. Trump really has thrown a spanner in the works here
Is everything falling into place for Bloomberg does anyone think? Let's face it. . . your choice whether you're a Democrat or a Republican is whether you want chicken pox or measles. The standard of candidates on either side of the house is terrible but particularly for the Republicans.
I said from the start that faced with such a weak pool to choose from all we need is an epidemic or state of emergency for good ole obama to get a 3rd term
Zika virus could just be that....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/11/19/lessons-from-rev-al-sharptons-4-5-million-tax-bill/#6b9e6caa6699
I see Bernie had a high profile meeting with Rev Al Sharpton today.....I wonder if he was going to lecture him on paying his "fair share" of taxes
Interesting, I read that despite Sanders' 22-point margin of victory in NH, he and Clinton each have 15 delegates. According to the article, it's because of the Democrats' Super Delegate system. Apparently 6 of these party insider delegates have already aligned themselves with Clinton. The state's two remaining super delegates have not yet declared their affiliation. I'm curious to read other articles that confirm this Orwellian notion that some animals are more equal than others.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 10, 2016, 09:19:16 PM
Interesting, I read that despite Sanders' 22-point margin of victory in NH, he and Clinton each have 15 delegates. According to the article, it's because of the Democrats' Super Delegate system. Apparently 6 of these party insider delegates have already aligned themselves with Clinton. The state's two remaining super delegates have not yet declared their affiliation. I'm curious to read other articles that confirm this Orwellian notion that some animals are more equal than others.
I think the superdelegates represent something lke 20% of the Democrat vote so they are well able to skew the vote as they please.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 10, 2016, 09:19:16 PM
Interesting, I read that despite Sanders' 22-point margin of victory in NH, he and Clinton each have 15 delegates. According to the article, it's because of the Democrats' Super Delegate system. Apparently 6 of these party insider delegates have already aligned themselves with Clinton. The state's two remaining super delegates have not yet declared their affiliation. I'm curious to read other articles that confirm this Orwellian notion that some animals are more equal than others.
In a way it reinforces Bernies contention that he's up against the establishment. I read that he raised $6M today
The super delegates were partly why Hillary dragged it out until June in '08 despite it being clear since March that she had no hope of beating Obama overall.
I hear that superdelegates wouldn't dare go against the popular vote and have never done so, which calls their purpose into question.
Wonder if Joe Biden is thinking of entering the fray at this stage. A long shot but the nomination imo anyway is there for him if he wants it.
HC's major issue imo again is that by and large she is not particularly likeable and folksy in the way American politicians are expected to be .
Joe Biden will not be running. His statement on the matter was as Shermanesque as you are going to get.
Not on Trump's election ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_Jdts5rL0
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
Wonder if Joe Biden is thinking of entering the fray at this stage. A long shot but the nomination imo anyway is there for him if he wants it.
HC's major issue imo again is that by and large she is not particularly likeable and folksy in the way American politicians are expected to be .
Agree that she's not likeable or "folksy", but the bigger issue is her perceived dishonesty
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-57562
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2016, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
Wonder if Joe Biden is thinking of entering the fray at this stage. A long shot but the nomination imo anyway is there for him if he wants it.
HC's major issue imo again is that by and large she is not particularly likeable and folksy in the way American politicians are expected to be .
Agree that she's not likeable or "folksy", but the bigger issue is her perceived dishonesty
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-57562
It's a strange situation alright. Hilary is losing because she is dishonest and untrustworthy when Trump has been blatantly caught out on numerous occasions as being a liar and with making up things as facts yet it seems to be something that's winning him votes.
Crazy country!!
Sincerity is the key to success. Once you can fake that you've got it made.
Kinda reminds me of when Brian Lenian did smething stupid during the Presigential race in 1996, I heard someone comment that If he wasn't clever enough to cover his tracks, he'd never be able to be President.
Quote from: screenexile on February 11, 2016, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2016, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
Wonder if Joe Biden is thinking of entering the fray at this stage. A long shot but the nomination imo anyway is there for him if he wants it.
HC's major issue imo again is that by and large she is not particularly likeable and folksy in the way American politicians are expected to be .
Agree that she's not likeable or "folksy", but the bigger issue is her perceived dishonesty
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-57562
It's a strange situation alright. Hilary is losing because she is dishonest and untrustworthy when Trump has been blatantly caught out on numerous occasions as being a liar and with making up things as facts yet it seems to be something that's winning him votes.
Crazy country!!
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
What about his record of going bankrupt? Or some of his dodgy business practices?
Quote from: gallsman on February 11, 2016, 01:16:52 PM
What about his record of going bankrupt? Or some of his dodgy business practices?
Pretty much a mandatory requirement back in the day to become the POTUS.
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 11, 2016, 01:16:52 PM
What about his record of going bankrupt? Or some of his dodgy business practices?
Pretty much a mandatory requirement back in the day to become the POTUS.
On the right there is a real appetite for someone with business experience......nearly all modern presidents have been career politicians who've never worked a day in the private sector
Bankruptcy is not as big an issue in the US as it is in Ireland....and Trumps successes far outweigh his failures and n that front. Restructuring and write offs are part and parcel of how business gets done over here
Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
Quote from: deiseach on February 11, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
So is Bernie
Now the primaries enter SEC country, named after the Southeastern Conference in college sports but more accurately Staunchly Evangelical Christians. Clinton should fare very well among African-Americans, assuming, of course, Sanders' meeting with Al Sharpton doesn't work miracles. This is Cruz territory, though Trump seems untouchable. As for the others, Kasich hasn't a hope in Hell, while the Rubio-Bush contest is up for grabs. Carson, though evangelical and black, is fading fast. As the Republican field thins, I'm interested to see its effect on Trump's numbers. He's been polling in the 30s, but I wonder how many of the dropouts' supporters he'll pick up.
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 11, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
So is Bernie
No he's not.....he's been in Congress/Senate for 25 years!
For any Seinfeld fans out there I think Bernie is a dead ringer for the voice of George Steinbrenner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
Quote from: The Iceman on February 11, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
For any Seinfeld fans out there I think Bernie is a dead ringer for the voice of George Steinbrenner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
Larry David was the voice of George Steinbrenner in that series.
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3AY%5D/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3Am%5D/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3Ad%5D/bernie-sanders-split-01.jpg)
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 11, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
So is Bernie
No he's not.....he's been in Congress/Senate for 25 years!
He is not establishment which is what Beltway means
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 11, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
So is Bernie
No he's not.....he's been in Congress/Senate for 25 years!
He is not establishment which is what Beltway means
True....I've heard him referred to as a political "outlier"
I watched Trump's NH speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss7Pg7Zx_Rs
Really interesting. He uses very simple words. Short sentences. No depth. He is speaking to an audience with a low attention span. He doesn't go into policy detail. Just we'll get the best people.
I think Ron White is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=474K8CxtDlM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
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Quote from: LeoMc on February 11, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Everyone knows politicians lie to get into power so the lies are ignored and their records and their CV are looked at instead. Hilary's perceived lies are the legacy of her time in office whilst Donalds record is that of a successful businessman.
It's a good point. Doesn't mean it's fair, but just about every politician lays claim to being a Beltway outsider - Trump really is.
So is Bernie
No he's not.....he's been in Congress/Senate for 25 years!
He has way more of a claim than most, given his independence and having been universally written off as a socialist kook.
Quote from: The Iceman on February 11, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
For any Seinfeld fans out there I think Bernie is a dead ringer for the voice of George Steinbrenner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
Have you not been watching SNL the last few weeks? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA)
Quote from: J70 on February 12, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 11, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
For any Seinfeld fans out there I think Bernie is a dead ringer for the voice of George Steinbrenner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
Have you not been watching SNL the last few weeks? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA)
That was fantastic!