The Official 2016 US Presidential election thread

[seafoid]

I think this election is going to be wild. There are too many losers for stability.

[Clov]

Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?

[seafoid]

Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?

Sanders would get the female and Latino vote that killed Romney last time.

[Oraisteach]

Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going.  The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.

[whitey]

Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?

Election is decided by the swing voters in the swing states, (so at the end of the day the election is decided by a very tiny minority of voters). I would look to those polls for your answer

[heganboy]

If its Trump vs Sanders expect Bloomberg to run

[seafoid]

Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going.  The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.

The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat

[Oraisteach]

Seafood, I think "socialist" is anathema to many, many Americans, a synonym for "communist" in effect, so toxic a term that I would be stunned if Sanders won all but a handful of states, especially after the inevitable "reds under the bed" media onslaught by the jingoistic GOP.

[seafoid]

Seafood, I think "socialist" is anathema to many, many Americans, a synonym for "communist" in effect, so toxic a term that I would be stunned if Sanders won all but a handful of states, especially after the inevitable "reds under the bed" media onslaught by the jingoistic GOP.

I know that but the US economy is falling apart and a lot of what Sanders is saying will resonate with people. 

[Eamonnca1]

In the Trump v Sanders scenario, Sanders has a decent chance. National polls put him ahead by 47 to 41. However as Whitey says it's the swing states that count because of the electoral college.

[stew]

Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going.  The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.

The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat

GOP fear machine, hmmm, under the pres this past seven years Americans have had plenty to fear, the erosion of civil liberties, big brother listening in on our lives, political correctness gone wild, a complete disaster on the deficit front, foreign policy faux pas, innocent Americans dead based on a lack of caring and balls on behalf of the Secretary of state.

Swapping terrorists for a traitor, the pres announcing 50 elite troups going into enemy territory, endangering their lives, the left is weak, spineless and morally bereft, ultimately nothing will get done because neither party is capable of reason nor true diplomacy, this countries leaders are the worst in my lifetime, and I do mean both left and right!

[J70]

Do you really think Americans would vote for a Socialist after the GOP propaganda machine gets going.  The word "socialist" is poison in these here parts.

The GOP fear machine only reaches 40% of the people as long as women and Latinos vote democrat

GOP fear machine, hmmm, under the pres this past seven years Americans have had plenty to fear, the erosion of civil liberties, big brother listening in on our lives, political correctness gone wild, a complete disaster on the deficit front, foreign policy faux pas, innocent Americans dead based on a lack of caring and balls on behalf of the Secretary of state.

Swapping terrorists for a traitor, the pres announcing 50 elite troups going into enemy territory, endangering their lives, the left is weak, spineless and morally bereft, ultimately nothing will get done because neither party is capable of reason nor true diplomacy, this countries leaders are the worst in my lifetime, and I do mean both left and right!

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!

The big brother shite started under Bush and the GOP after 9-11. Did you complain then?

And tell us, for the umpteenth time Stew, what Obama should have done, fiscally, with the hand that he was dealt in January 2009?

[J70]

What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.

Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.

That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT

As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......

Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?

Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.

So Republicans use wedge issue to mobilize their base-agreed!

And the Democrats do exactly the same thing just they use different wedge issues.....the biggest one being the so called "war on women".

(Unfortunately for them it has backfired spectacularly on Hillary this go around. And should Bernie dcide to take up the torch, that little op Ed he wrote about rape will come back to haunt him)

Oh and Hillary now trying to paint Bernie as a borderline NRA member even though he gets a D- grade from the NRA. Shows how desperate she is.....that card is normally reserved for the Republicans

The difference being that the "war on women" issues have some legitimacy. Republicans do want to end abortion and restrict contraception (and you can agree with them tas that a good thing -I'm not commenting on that here). They ARE hostile to efforts to combat relative female salary deficits.

On the other hand, NO democrat is talking about doing away with the right of people to own guns (even if some individually feel this way, its a futile, losing issue). There is NO war on christmas or christians.

But overall, the Republican wedge issues focus on mobilizing white christians, mostly outside the big cities. All the things that are supposedly changing the country for the worse, whether that is gays, muslims, immigrants, atheists, environmentalists, feminists etc. etc. It's all about the "I want my country back!" crowd. Hence, the "politics of white resentment".

[J70]

Serious question - who wins the presidency if its Trump vs. Sanders?

Election is decided by the swing voters in the swing states, (so at the end of the day the election is decided by a very tiny minority of voters). I would look to those polls for your answer

Ordinarily, yes. But more "extreme" candidates such as Trump and Sanders could put more into play, either way. If one becomes perceived as way more extreme than the other, some ordinarily safe states might be up for grabs.

Or you may be right and the Dems may be starting on 230 electoral votes and the GOP on 200 once again, no matter who the nominees are.

[J70]

What a pile of nonsense......for example the people who rioted against busing are Irish Americans who vote 99.99999% Democrat in every election.

Obama was AGAINST gay marriage in 2008.

That idiot lady in Kentucky who won't issue marriage licenses is .....wait for it....a DEMOCRAT

As I thought, it's just a lazy all encompassing stereotype that all Republicans are rascist/xenophobic/homophobic......

Er, no its not nonsense. Gay marriage has NEVER been a deal breaker for Democrats. Whereas Karl Rove used it to tip the 2004 election. And no one said ALL the people who respond to these wedge issues were GOP, but most of them are. Why the hell do you think the GOP has embraced them. Do you think it's an accident that the south has turned overwhelmingly Republican while they've pretty much vanished in the NE and west coast? That uneducated whites now lean Republican? Do you deny that the GOP exploits these issues?

Oh, and Kim Davis changed her party registration.

So Republicans use wedge issue to mobilize their base-agreed!

And the Democrats do exactly the same thing just they use different wedge issues.....the biggest one being the so called "war on women".

(Unfortunately for them it has backfired spectacularly on Hillary this go around. And should Bernie dcide to take up the torch, that little op Ed he wrote about rape will come back to haunt him)

Oh and Hillary now trying to paint Bernie as a borderline NRA member even though he gets a D- grade from the NRA. Shows how desperate she is.....that card is normally reserved for the Republicans

I just read the "op-ed about rape".

Its not about rape. Its about gender roles in flux in the midst of the feminist revolution and the resulting effects on relationships and sex. Extremely weird and far from eloquent, for sure. I'm sure he could have chosen some other more suitable fantasies to paint the picture of the struggles of the typical man and woman in his theory. Did men commonly think that women secretly fantasized about being raped by multiple men in 1972?

Yeah, he'll have to answer questions on it for sure, but in context he's hardly suggesting that rape is something that's harmless. Sexual fantasies run the gamut. I'm sure you've seen enough and been on enough porn sites in your time to realize that there are a wide range of tastes out there!

What is way more relevant that some idiotic opinion piece he wrote 44 years ago are his policies and politics as a mayor and US senator. If he's weak on women's issues in those, well then maybe his detractors can trace it back to his perception of what women REALLY want!

As for Hillary, of course she's hitting Sanders with whatever she can find! He's neck and neck with her!

Not quite as desperate and shameless as Trump and his birther shtick in fairness! Although in his case it seems to be working!