The Official 2016 US Presidential election thread

[foxcommander]

Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!

Why would they be?

So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?

Catch yourself on ffs.

People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.

You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!

Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?

No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.

There is no discrimination by police. There have been some high profile incidents which include law breakers being shot.

[foxcommander]

Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!

Why would they be?

So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?

Catch yourself on ffs.

People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.

Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?

If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?

Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)

If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?

[J70]

Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!

Why would they be?

So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?

Catch yourself on ffs.

People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.

Stew you've seen the current clown car antics of the Republican primary race and you're honestly going to argue that there is not a huge racist aspect to the proceedings?

If it's all a matter of individuals, then there an awful lot of racist individuals who are currently associated with the GOP, and a lot of them are running for President. I suppose that is just a coincidence, and not a product of a rancid culture that has grown up around a party that is petrified that it is losing its demographic dominance?

Catch yourself on ffs (as you so eloquently put it)

If the last 8 years is the shape of things to come I'd be worried about the future of the USA.
Ask your South African friends how they've been faring out since they got "change". Affirmative action eh?

So what are you saying?

That South Africa was better off under apartheid?

That black people should not be in positions of political power?

[stew]

Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!

Why would they be?

So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?

Catch yourself on ffs.

People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.

You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!

Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?

No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.

FFS read what the left wingnuts have written about the GOP runners, I do not like posters that have Obama in Muslim garb yet I despise Clinton with a passion because of who she is as a human being and I wrote some nasty shit about her.

The vast majority on here know what Clinton is and would vote for her no matter what and calling people racists when you are not able to back it up is disgraceful, but hey, you are lefties so anything goes!

[J70]

Another black liberal president? The fox news/tea party crowd will literally be up n arms!

Why would they be?

So in your world republicans are racist? is that it?

Catch yourself on ffs.

People are individuals and choose to be racist or not, there are plenty of liberal racists running around the USA and Ireland for that matter.

You're bringing up a post I made, in jest, 18 months ago!

Regardless, did you miss their behaviour and attitude towards Obama? The birther movement? The likes of the post of Obama in muslim garb in this very thread? The admission by the GOP chairman a few years back regarding the southern strategy? The dog whistle campaigning? The hostility towards legitimate concerns on discrimination and treatment by police on the part of black people?

No one is saying all Republicans are racist. Far from it. But its pretty fair to say that racists are more likely to vote Republican, with good reason. And its not for nothing than Stormfront and the like are very excited over the Trump candidacy.

FFS read what the left wingnuts have written about the GOP runners, I do not like posters that have Obama in Muslim garb yet I despise Clinton with a passion because of who she is as a human being and I wrote some nasty shit about her.

The vast majority on here know what Clinton is and would vote for her no matter what and calling people racists when you are not able to back it up is disgraceful, but hey, you are lefties so anything goes!

Stop frothing and respond to what I actually  wrote.

[stew]

Show me the racist statements made by the GOP candidates.

[stew]

Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.

[J70]

Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.

Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend!

Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.

You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.

If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.

[screenexile]

Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.

Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend!

Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.

You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.

If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.

Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .

"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

[stew]

Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.

Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend!

Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.

You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.

If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.

Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .

"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Lets see, hmmmmm, the people that are coming illegally have lots of problems otherwise they would not be coming, some do bring in illegal drugs and are scumbags, so thats sorted, some are the lowest of the low and are rapists and killers and the majority are good people, I fail to see racism here, I see the Donald calling it as it is and I have no gra for the f**ker!

[stew]

Cheep cheep cheep cheep cheep crickets birches.

Sorry Stew, I don't spend all day on this website waiting for your responses, especially at the weekend!

Show ME where I said the GOP CANDIDATES made racist statements.

You referred to stuff the "left wingnuts" wrote about them. If you want to discuss those things, then refer to them.

If you want to discuss what I wrote about the conservative movement/GOP and racism in general, then critique what I wrote.

Jesus Christ it's not difficult to find . . .

"They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

The problem with ye tree hugger's is that you get offended at the smallest of things, the man is simply stating what he believes is the truth and I do not see an outcry from the looney left about racism, so why the feck do you see it?

[stew]

Interesting take on Trump...
William J. Bennett, Host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any writer in modern times.
What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
By Bill Bennett
They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting up of Trump.
Don't be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one.
It's a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We're the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.
Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.
It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won't change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations – like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.
These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.
Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn't need anyone's help. That means he doesn't care what the media says. He doesn't care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
Don't you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don't you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don't you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama's clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?
First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.
Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you're a good old boy, you've got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.
But Trump doesn't play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The jig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That's why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.
Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth.

[dec]

Interesting take on Trump...
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One of the main problems with the right in the US is how easily they are taken in by conspiracy loon nonsense as long as it confirms their warped world view.

http://www.snopes.com/bill-bennett-donald-trump-quote/

[deiseach]

I'd bet that those on the right would believe anything if it had Bill Bennett's name attached to it, upstanding pillar of moral rectitude that he is. And speaking of Bill Bennett and betting...

[J70]

Interesting take on Trump...
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Huge pile of bullshit deleted
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One of the main problems with the right in the US is how easily they are taken in by conspiracy loon nonsense as long as it confirms their warped world view.

http://www.snopes.com/bill-bennett-donald-trump-quote/

I was wondering what the f**k had happened to Bennett as I was reading that!

He's a fairly partisan Republican/Christian culture warrior for someone who was formerly a Democrat, but every conspiracy theory in the book is being thrown at the wall in that one! And lots of George Soros but no mention of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson and the rest in a rant about Trump being self-funded!

The clincher: President Trump will investigate Obama's college grades?? WTF??!!