The Official 2016 US Presidential election thread

[Eamonnca1]

Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.

Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.

You are completely effed in the head!

Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?

I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.

Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.

Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.

I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy

Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views

Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more.  There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.

[omaghjoe]

Not wanting handouts or wanting your kids to do better than yourself is not a uniquely American concept and not something that is the exclusive domain of the GOP in America.

While I wud say the GOP are defo supportive of the American Dream (whatever that is!) as opposed to say the British Conservative party for example, their main purpose is still like the Tories to keep the wealthy wealthy. And you could also say that the Democrats are as equally supportive of the "American Dream". Its about how to go about attaining the American Dream is what is disagreement, the GOP believes work hard enough and you will achieve it regardless, the Democrat party believes in providing the means to achieve it for those that want to.

The American Dream is a bit of Pyramid scheme anyway especially with reduced immigration but we wont get into that. It has also been used as a unattainable carrot for many voters, enticing them to vote based on the situation they would like to be in rather than the situation they are in. Its probably the biggest factor that has allowed the American political spectrum to be skewed to the right

Anyway my point is Hispanics appear to vote on how it will affect them not on the hypothetical values that the conservative/liberal spectrum like to define themselves by, so I would say that most are natural Demo voters.

I think the assumption or received wisdom is that the average Latino immigrant should align with the GOP on account of their relatively devout catholicism. Opposition to abortion, gay marriage etc. How well supported that is, in reality, I don't really know. But, even if it is, the immigration thing renders it moot anyway. And, ironically, part of the resistance to it on the part of the GOP base is that they think that the Dems want all these immigrants coming in to bolster their own political base.

I think its a false assumption tho J70. Firstly inspite of the issues that you listed I would say that overall the Demos are way closer to Catholic doctrine than the GOP, a good example is maybe immigration as you mentioned. Plus those issues dont even divide equally along party lines with numerous positions on them within both parties.

Secondly your also assuming that Latinos will vote enmass for issues that are unlikely to affect them personally outweighing issues that will affect their lives. Such eejitry is only for the political polarising enthusiasts who are consumed by the outrage media thats operate from polarising tenets like progressive/nonprogressive, liberal/conservative, tree-hugger/creationist whatever way you want to phrase them. although admittedly there is more than a few of those in America and immigrants are not immune to it as this thread demonstrates.

[omaghjoe]

Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.

Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.

You are completely effed in the head!

Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?

I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.

Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.

Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.

I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy

Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views

Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more.  There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.

I wasnt talking about Gerrymandering in particular I was talking about the attitude to those with an opposing political view.
But Im thinking you might be be homesick Eamonn if you feel the need to label around half the country that you live in as evil.

[stew]

Exaggerating a little, but I still think the base that the candidates pander to these days is a lot smaller than 45% of the voters. They don't seem to be interested in appealing to women, people of colour, or anyone with more than tuppence worth of brains. Doesn't leave a whole lot of voters left to choose from.

Let's not forget that the Republican extremists in congress largely got there by way of gerrymandering, voter suppression and other cheating methods. The majority in the House does not have the majority of votes in the bag.

You are completely effed in the head!

Proof please of said gerrymandering, voter suppression and these other cheating methods?

I love you libtards, you see the world in two dimensions, Democrats great, Conservatives Evil.

Simpletons have more wit than you do Eamon.

Are the lot of yis not like that or vise versa? No middle ground the other side is inherently stupid, evil, illogical, overly emotional etc etc.

I discovered this article while back
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/not-every-disagreement-is-a-logical-fallacy

Sometimes you just have to respect and accept people's views

Democrats have tried partisan gerrymandering in Maryland and Illinois. Republicans are at it all over the place in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and more.  There's no equivalence here. If Republicans are evil and Democrats are not, it's okay to say so.

Thank you wee man, so let me get this straight, both sides cheat, the GOP does it more than the dems so you conclude the Republicans are evil and the dems are not?

Democrats tried it in Wisconsin, they even fled the State when Scott Walker got elected, the c***ts scurried to the land of Lincoln and refused to work with a democratically elected Govenor, Illinois is infested with the corrupt democrats, always has been, Chicago is run by democrat gangsters who give not two fucks about the people yet you give them a free pass and hold ONLY the Republicans accountable.

Your last line speaks volumes about your lack of character, if Democrats are at the same shite as the Republicans how come only one side is evil? People like you are what is wrong with this country, illegals walk into the country from the south and you are ok with that, you are ok with breaking the law as long as it suits you, you have no standards nor moral compass to guide you, anything goes and you are not bright enough to not realize that there is good and bad in both parties, neither one is lilly white and people with views other than your own are wrong, how sad.

Hypocrites like you make me sick, both parties are guilty but hey, lets blame the right and exonerate the left because, well, I am a libtard!

[stew]

Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.

What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority

[J70]

Suicides, car crashes, even a couple of plane crashes! Is there ANYTHING the Clintons can't and won't do!

Stew, is that another of those chain email or Facebook posts, like the supposed Bill Bennett piece you posted last week?

What's the source?

[dec]

Here is a list of bullshit that gets passed around right wing blogs, discussion boards and conspiracy loon sites.

Corrected that for you, you're welcome.

[screenexile]

Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.

What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

[heganboy]

Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.

What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically

[J70]

Here is a list of strange goings on involving the Clinton's either directly or indirectly.

What are the Odds???
The Clinton Body Bags:
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's . Again, I ask you, what are the odds???
1 - James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically

I missed that!

Well spotted!

[armaghniac]

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically

I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.

[screenexile]

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically

I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.

Just noticed that myself... definitely it's the Simple Minds thing threw me!

[omaghjoe]

Are you Jim Kerr??!!

Im reasonably sure that the simple minds singer is offended by that both musically and politically

I think another singer with a simple mind was intended.

Just noticed that myself... definitely it's the Simple Minds thing threw me!

At least you didnt forget about him...

[J70]

Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

[stew]

Here's the Snopes take on Stew's list: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

A democrat voting friend sent it to me via email, I did not ask for it however it makes interesting reading, of course the right are to blame for dredging this hot list up and Bubba and his nag are completely innocent of everything thrown at them!