At last on to the real business of the year! :D
Hard to see past Galway after today.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 14, 2013, 06:11:55 PM
Hard to see past Galway after today.
Would be the case if Galway were the same quality as Dublin.
So who will win the right to lose to the Ros?
Walsh looks ready to start championship and Burke surely needs to feature at some point as well. Hard to judge Mayo properly after spending so much time without CO'C, Dillion and Andy. Should be an interesting game.
Sadly I don't think there is much to talk about in this game. I would rate Galway's chances of winning at somewhere around 15%. Galway might have a good team in a couple of years as we are back producing good underage sides again but they won't be a good team this year. Mayo were in the league semi-finals and Galway were firmly planted mid-table in division 2 which is probably an accurate reflection on where the sides are at.
The best argument I can make for even saying the game will be competitive is that Galway occasionally looked half-decent at home in the league (and terrible away from home) and that Salthill has very rarely been a happy hunting ground for Mayo. Best case scenario is we are competitive and still in the game with 10 minutes to go. Worst case scenario is we make a holy show of ourselves and get beaten out the gate. And then crash out in the first qualifier.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 14, 2013, 07:54:34 PM
Sadly I don't think there is much to talk about in this game. I would rate Galway's chances of winning at somewhere around 15%. Galway might have a good team in a couple of years as we are back producing good underage sides again but they won't be a good team this year. Mayo were in the league semi-finals and Galway were firmly planted mid-table in division 2 which is probably an accurate reflection on where the sides are at.
The best argument I can make for even saying the game will be competitive is that Galway occasionally looked half-decent at home in the league (and terrible away from home) and that Salthill has very rarely been a happy hunting ground for Mayo. Best case scenario is we are competitive and still in the game with 10 minutes to go. Worst case scenario is we make a holy show of ourselves and get beaten out the gate. And then crash out in the first qualifier.
And when did that ever happen in Salthill against us?
Mayo, just.
But we need at least 3 of our injured players back, particularly Higgins.
Quote from: Syferus on April 14, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
So who will win the right to lose to the Ros?
Walsh looks ready to start championship and Burke surely needs to feature at some point as well. Hard to judge Mayo properly after spending so much time without CO'C, Dillion and Andy. Should be an interesting game.
Mayo will steamroll Ros .
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 14, 2013, 07:54:34 PM
Sadly I don't think there is much to talk about in this game. I would rate Galway's chances of winning at somewhere around 15%. Galway might have a good team in a couple of years as we are back producing good underage sides again but they won't be a good team this year. Mayo were in the league semi-finals and Galway were firmly planted mid-table in division 2 which is probably an accurate reflection on where the sides are at.
The best argument I can make for even saying the game will be competitive is that Galway occasionally looked half-decent at home in the league (and terrible away from home) and that Salthill has very rarely been a happy hunting ground for Mayo. Best case scenario is we are competitive and still in the game with 10 minutes to go. Worst case scenario is we make a holy show of ourselves and get beaten out the gate. And then crash out in the first qualifier.
And when did that ever happen in Salthill against us?
Mayo, just.
But we need at least 3 of our injured players back, particularly Higgins.
Don't be fooled GBB. Championship is a big leveler when it comes to Galway playing Mayo. When is the last big hiding one has given the other. I remember Mayo getting hammered in 1995. But these results are few and far between.
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 14, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
So who will win the right to lose to the Ros?
Walsh looks ready to start championship and Burke surely needs to feature at some point as well. Hard to judge Mayo properly after spending so much time without CO'C, Dillion and Andy. Should be an interesting game.
Mayo will steamroll Ros .
Very doubtful 8)
Not buying the Galway poor mouth either, it's like the Queen inviting you to Buckingham and telling you she can barely afford the leccy bill.
Last time these two met each other in the championship 6 points separated the sides. Since then Mayo have improved significantly while Galway are around the same level. Anything other than 4-6 point win for Mayo in this game will be shock.
As someone who has played club football in Galway for a long time and been a huge follower of the Galway footballers for many years I take no pleasure in saying that I agree fully with GBB.
This is the worst Galway senior team that I can ever remember seeing. It is true that Galway-Mayo games have generally been close over the years (whether at minor, u21 or senior) and prior to this year I would always have given us a chance against Mayo regardless of our form in the run-in but this year is different.
Mayo are operating at a different level altogether than us. Although we hammered Roscommon last summer, I also believe that they would now beat us if we met them.
The fact we are playing at home to me means that the scoreline will probably be closer than it would have been had the game been played in McHale Park. But Mayo will still win simply because they are a better team than us at the moment.
I do think we will come again and be a force at senior level in years to come but it will take a few years.
We were absolutely dreadful away from home in the league this year - only scraping past Longford who lost all their games. We weren't even competitive in the other away games - hammered by Laois, Louth and Armagh - none of whom are exactly giants of the game at the moment!
Am not poor mouthing here - just giving an honest opinion on where we're at. I was at most of the league games this year - missed the Armagh game.
We don't have a settled team at the moment either. Midfield has been chopped and changed constantly and we don't seem to be any closer to deciding on a partnership here. Likewise in the forwardline - Conroy has been moved all over the place & was even dropped for one of the games.
Cummins, Martin etc have been in and out of the team.
I dunno - my optimism is the lowest it's ever been as a Galway supporter.
The thing about it is that I don't believe Mayo are anything special themselves. It's just we are so poor at the moment.
Any forward line that can call on the services of players like Galway have will cause some trouble to the opposition. Michael Meehan (whose first serious run of decent fitness in years should stand to him, even if he won't be as good as he was), Paul Conroy and probably Shane Walsh, a player who is every bit a star waiting to happen, is as talented a line as many of the top teams in the country.
It's about midfield rather than defence or attack, a young player like Fiotan O'C is going to have to pull a performance from the Seamie O'Neill category to deal with the sort of midfield Mayo have, even without Barry Moran.
I really don't know that there will be much in this game at all no matter what recent form says. I genuinely wouldn't be shocked by a Galway victory because Mayo have weaknesses you can exploit if you either by-pass the middle or come close to breaking even.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2013, 12:54:31 AM
It's about midfield rather than defence or attack, a young player like Fiotan O'C is going to have to pull a performance from the Seamie O'Neill category to deal with the sort of midfield Mayo have, even without Barry Moran.
Without a doubt. Mayo have 3 or 4 assorted big lumps that they send on to patrol the centre of the field. Galway don't have any depth there at all. O'Curraoin will develop into a fine intercounty midfielder (I believe he won 13 kickouts in the U-21 final against Roscommon) but physically he has a way to go yet. When you see him in person he's tall but skinny as a rake. Tomas Flynn is just back from a long term injury and is also in the tall but skinny camp. These lads will be good maybe even very good in time but physically they have to get stronger if they are going to go up against Aidan O'Shea for the next decade. And they will but not in time for next month. After that Galway's best midfielder in the league was probably Niall Coleman who let's be honest has been tried plenty of times before and nobody feels he's the long term answer there. In fairness though he did play well during the league for the most part. Anthony Griffin played some games in midfield and did alright but only looked fit for one half of football.
Mayo need a decent match. Ros won't tell them anything about themselves, syferus beal saibhir notwithstandind. Mayo have to win the all ireland this year . What will it take? Maybe they can find their Sam mojo in a ding dong battle versus Galway but Tuam would have been even better.
Of course Galway could surprise everyone but it is Mayo's match to lose.
QuoteHard to see past Galway after today.
Ross must be favorites for Connaught now? The winners of this game will give them a run though.
QuoteAs someone who has played club football in Galway for a long time and been a huge follower of the Galway footballers for many years I take no pleasure in saying that I agree fully with GBB.
This is the worst Galway senior team that I can ever remember seeing. It is true that Galway-Mayo games have generally been close over the years (whether at minor, u21 or senior) and prior to this year I would always have given us a chance against Mayo regardless of our form in the run-in but this year is different.
Mayo are operating at a different level altogether than us. Although we hammered Roscommon last summer, I also believe that they would now beat us if we met them.
The fact we are playing at home to me means that the scoreline will probably be closer than it would have been had the game been played in McHale Park. But Mayo will still win simply because they are a better team than us at the moment.
I do think we will come again and be a force at senior level in years to come but it will take a few years.
We were absolutely dreadful away from home in the league this year - only scraping past Longford who lost all their games. We weren't even competitive in the other away games - hammered by Laois, Louth and Armagh - none of whom are exactly giants of the game at the moment!
Am not poor mouthing here - just giving an honest opinion on where we're at. I was at most of the league games this year - missed the Armagh game.
We don't have a settled team at the moment either. Midfield has been chopped and changed constantly and we don't seem to be any closer to deciding on a partnership here. Likewise in the forwardline - Conroy has been moved all over the place & was even dropped for one of the games.
Cummins, Martin etc have been in and out of the team.
I dunno - my optimism is the lowest it's ever been as a Galway supporter.
The thing about it is that I don't believe Mayo are anything special themselves. It's just we are so poor at the moment.
Best post I've read in a long time. I enjoyed that read. Great days when Galway and Meath are at such a low ebb. Long may it continue.
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2013, 09:39:29 AM
QuoteAs someone who has played club football in Galway for a long time and been a huge follower of the Galway footballers for many years I take no pleasure in saying that I agree fully with GBB.
This is the worst Galway senior team that I can ever remember seeing. It is true that Galway-Mayo games have generally been close over the years (whether at minor, u21 or senior) and prior to this year I would always have given us a chance against Mayo regardless of our form in the run-in but this year is different.
Mayo are operating at a different level altogether than us. Although we hammered Roscommon last summer, I also believe that they would now beat us if we met them.
The fact we are playing at home to me means that the scoreline will probably be closer than it would have been had the game been played in McHale Park. But Mayo will still win simply because they are a better team than us at the moment.
I do think we will come again and be a force at senior level in years to come but it will take a few years.
We were absolutely dreadful away from home in the league this year - only scraping past Longford who lost all their games. We weren't even competitive in the other away games - hammered by Laois, Louth and Armagh - none of whom are exactly giants of the game at the moment!
Am not poor mouthing here - just giving an honest opinion on where we're at. I was at most of the league games this year - missed the Armagh game.
We don't have a settled team at the moment either. Midfield has been chopped and changed constantly and we don't seem to be any closer to deciding on a partnership here. Likewise in the forwardline - Conroy has been moved all over the place & was even dropped for one of the games.
Cummins, Martin etc have been in and out of the team.
I dunno - my optimism is the lowest it's ever been as a Galway supporter.
The thing about it is that I don't believe Mayo are anything special themselves. It's just we are so poor at the moment.
Best post I've read in a long time. I enjoyed that read. Great days when Galway and Meath are at such a low ebb. Long may it continue.
Schadenfreude never won anything. I would love to see Mayo win Sam. A wonderful county where the people deserve to experience that 5 past 5 feeling on a sunday in late september.
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2013, 09:39:29 AM
QuoteAs someone who has played club football in Galway for a long time and been a huge follower of the Galway footballers for many years I take no pleasure in saying that I agree fully with GBB.
This is the worst Galway senior team that I can ever remember seeing. It is true that Galway-Mayo games have generally been close over the years (whether at minor, u21 or senior) and prior to this year I would always have given us a chance against Mayo regardless of our form in the run-in but this year is different.
Mayo are operating at a different level altogether than us. Although we hammered Roscommon last summer, I also believe that they would now beat us if we met them.
The fact we are playing at home to me means that the scoreline will probably be closer than it would have been had the game been played in McHale Park. But Mayo will still win simply because they are a better team than us at the moment.
I do think we will come again and be a force at senior level in years to come but it will take a few years.
We were absolutely dreadful away from home in the league this year - only scraping past Longford who lost all their games. We weren't even competitive in the other away games - hammered by Laois, Louth and Armagh - none of whom are exactly giants of the game at the moment!
Am not poor mouthing here - just giving an honest opinion on where we're at. I was at most of the league games this year - missed the Armagh game.
We don't have a settled team at the moment either. Midfield has been chopped and changed constantly and we don't seem to be any closer to deciding on a partnership here. Likewise in the forwardline - Conroy has been moved all over the place & was even dropped for one of the games.
Cummins, Martin etc have been in and out of the team.
I dunno - my optimism is the lowest it's ever been as a Galway supporter.
The thing about it is that I don't believe Mayo are anything special themselves. It's just we are so poor at the moment.
Best post I've read in a long time. I enjoyed that read. Great days when Galway and Meath are at such a low ebb. Long may it continue.
Ah now. Haven t we enough to deal with our own miseries without gloating in others' poor run.
Saying that though the only satisfaction I seem to get from sport anymore is when teams I dislike lose :( :(
Page two already and no Farran or Barney (where is he?) pessimistically expecting a hammering?
How would the Mayo posters here like to see us line up for this match.Personally i would like
Clarke
Barrett Caff Walsh
Keegan Higgins Boyle
AOS Moran
Mc Loughlin Feeney Dillon
Conroy COC Kilcoyne
Nice one Muppet.
Don t know what to make of this really. Of course the fear factor of the knock out is gone. You ll never get the atmosphere of 96 - 99 again in a Mayo/Galway clash. Not even if it were an AI final. Fine and well restructuring the AI format but some good stuff was lost. I like the way things are now too but a few gems were lost. The games against the likes of Galway and Ros have lost the 'fear', that put butterflies in yer belly 10 days before the game.
I couldn t even give an informed opinion about this game because I m no longer that familiar with Galway personnel. I might recognise half the team at a push. I expect we will be favourites. And based on our league positions alone that is how it should be too. That doesn t bother me either. And more importantly it wont effect these players either. If they re good enough on the day they ll win. But they ve won enough and lost enough not to go in and lose it soft by being cocky and that s important.
I think Galway will give us a good rattle and if we are anyway disinterested (personally don't see this happening under Horan's watch) they have enough talent between the old guard and the emerging young guns to turn us over. Mayo are probably stronger at the moment but I rate Mullholland so he'll have them well organised so we won't see the lifeless performance like we saw in 2011 where they almost waited to see if we could find our accuracy and confidence in that first half.
I was thinking what type of team I'd like to see and what Horan is likely to pick so I though I'd try and marry the two together with a selection along these lines:
Clarke
McHale Caff Walsh
Keegan Cunniffe Boyle
Higgins
A O' Shea Barry Moran
Kevin Mac Dillion
C O' Connor
Evan Regan Mikey Conroy
Now I know you you're probably looking going what the hell but I do think this could work for us based on the fact that in all probability we won't see Andy Moran back in the green and red unless we make it to the last four and even then I would say he wouldn't be fit enough to start. I would give Higgins the no 11 shirt but would give him a sweeper/ auxiliary attacker role as he is a superb reader of the game in defense and his lightning speed would make him a serious weapon in our running attack. Having watch a fair amount f Mayo club hurling Keith is more than comfortable in the oppositions half.
I have been mightily impressed with Cillian's distribution into Conroy in the last few games so I think he would suit the withdrawn role well and I'm definitely with moysider as regards the need for a two man fulforward line to help Conroy with Regan a perfect foil for him. To me this would give a good balance for our man isolation tactic on defense and allow us to counter though the speed men on the ground or diagonal ball to Conroy and Regan.
I think it's a luxury Mayo can't afford to move their best man-marker out of the back line and into the half-back line. If your team was running some sort of free-wheeling and free-scoring system it might make sense but Mayo's game is about containment, much like most top teams at the moment and its best defenders need to be their primary markers.
Keith Higgins would be a fine HB but if he's named there I can see the opposition's manager putting the house on breaking down the back line with a lot of long balls, high and low, and with good reason.
Quote from: moysider on April 15, 2013, 11:16:44 PM
Nice one Muppet.
Don t know what to make of this really. Of course the fear factor of the knock out is gone. You ll never get the atmosphere of 96 - 99 again in a Mayo/Galway clash. Not even if it were an AI final. Fine and well restructuring the AI format but some good stuff was lost. I like the way things are now too but a few gems were lost. The games against the likes of Galway and Ros have lost the 'fear', that put butterflies in yer belly 10 days before the game.
I couldn t even give an informed opinion about this game because I m no longer that familiar with Galway personnel. I might recognise half the team at a push. I expect we will be favourites. And based on our league positions alone that is how it should be too. That doesn t bother me either. And more importantly it wont effect these players either. If they re good enough on the day they ll win. But they ve won enough and lost enough not to go in and lose it soft by being cocky and that s important.
Those matches were unmissable. Galway were a bit of a surprise in 95. Somewhat flaky but at least they had a bit of mojo. Mayo roared back in 96 and did back to back in 97. They got so close. Just the kick of a ball in 96. It showed Galway what was possible. It was also a great atmosphere in which to test players. Johneen Donnellan , for example. He didn't make it to the promised land.
I remember Val Daly getting roasted- it must have been 96 - that was the end of an era. But thankfully Ja was still improving..
98 was even better . By the time we were up against the Lilies it all came in very handy. Poor Kildare had no chance.
Quote from: muppet on April 15, 2013, 04:13:11 PM
Page two already and no Farran or Barney (where is he?) pessimistically expecting a hammering?
Arra, Farran is still coming to terms with the loss on Sunday and Barney's missus is keeping him on the straight and narrow. ;D
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 09:14:06 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 15, 2013, 11:16:44 PM
Nice one Muppet.
Don t know what to make of this really. Of course the fear factor of the knock out is gone. You ll never get the atmosphere of 96 - 99 again in a Mayo/Galway clash. Not even if it were an AI final. Fine and well restructuring the AI format but some good stuff was lost. I like the way things are now too but a few gems were lost. The games against the likes of Galway and Ros have lost the 'fear', that put butterflies in yer belly 10 days before the game.
I couldn t even give an informed opinion about this game because I m no longer that familiar with Galway personnel. I might recognise half the team at a push. I expect we will be favourites. And based on our league positions alone that is how it should be too. That doesn t bother me either. And more importantly it wont effect these players either. If they re good enough on the day they ll win. But they ve won enough and lost enough not to go in and lose it soft by being cocky and that s important.
Those matches were unmissable. Galway were a bit of a surprise in 95. Somewhat flaky but at least they had a bit of mojo. Mayo roared back in 96 and did back to back in 97. They got so close. Just the kick of a ball in 96. It showed Galway what was possible. It was also a great atmosphere in which to test players. Johneen Donnellan , for example. He didn't make it to the promised land.
I remember Val Daly getting roasted- it must have been 96 - that was the end of an era. But thankfully Ja was still improving..
98 was even better . By the time we were up against the Lilies it all came in very handy. Poor Kildare had no chance.
Val Daly was great player up their with the best Galway players i've seen. His son is playing for Galway minors this year scored 1-2 against us recently the goal was as good as you are likely to see & the points were two superb efforts from distance. 98 should have ended in Tuam.
Pr*** >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
We will never forgive we will never forget >:(
Any idea when we'll know the throw in time? Hope it's the later one, dose of a journey to Salthill.....those roadworks in Claregalway still on?
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Any idea when we'll know the throw in time? Hope it's the later one,
4pm throw in the Connacht junior final will be on before it.
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Any idea when we'll know the throw in time? Hope it's the later one,
4pm throw in the Connacht junior final will be on before it.
Great. Thanks r4l
QuoteIt was hardly a fitting way for Padraic Joyce to go out.
For a player who burst on to the scene in 1998, winning an All-Ireland in his first season, defeat at Casement Park to Antrim in the back door wasn't the Hollywood ending befitting a footballer of his calibre.
But then that had become the norm for Galway in recent years. That defeat to Antrim extended an unenviable record – they haven't beaten a team from outside Connacht in the championship since overcoming Louth in 2004.
Joyce's career began with two All-Irelands in four seasons but he'd never reach even an All-Ireland semi-final again after the 2001 campaign that saw him crowned Footballer of the Year.
"It wasn't as enjoyable for me because we were not winning anything," he said. "I served my time and I have no regrets about my decision. I have plenty more time to myself now. It was time to go, as simple as that."
Joyce's retirement, along with that of Joe Bergin, broke the last remaining links to the All-Ireland-winning team of '01, when Joyce produced a sparkling 10-point performance in the decider against Meath.
That was a swashbuckling Galway side and while his observation that the game is "totally different" from his debut season isn't new, he insists teams now play with a fear of losing rather than a desire to win.
"The emphasis that time was in getting the ball in early into what we called the scoring (zone)," he said. "We had a philosophy that if the ball was in there 30 to 35 times in a game and if we were to convert half of them, no matter how good or bad you would be, you would have 17 or 18 scores.
"Whereas now you're seeing 0-12 and 1-9 or 1-10 winning games. It has definitely come back and it is down to tactics and people afraid to lose. You watch matches now and you even count the number of players that even have a shot at goal – each team has only three or four players that are allowed to shoot."
Joyce's departure makes the returning Michael Meehan the senior partner in the Galway forward line. But for the first time since the start of the '98 season, Galway have a squad without a single senior All-Ireland winner.
They can go back to the All-Ireland minor success of 2007 and to the more recent U-21 success in 2010 but those teams haven't provided the boost Galway needed.
"If they are good enough to win U-21 level, two or three years down the line they should definitely be there or thereabouts because the average age of teams is coming down all the time," Joyce said.
"It has not been a great year for Galway so far, very up-and-down performances. One good day, bad the next, we need to find a bit of consistency because it is only four or five weeks to the championship. They would want to get a settled team because they will be up against it against Mayo."
Joyce can't recall a Galway team going into a showdown with Mayo so unfancied but the Tribesmen's poor record in the qualifiers means the front-door route is much the preferable option.
"If the two teams were to play next Sunday you would be thinking, on current form, Mayo would win the game easily," Joyce said. "But there is still a month yet, injuries can happen.
"Galway have an awful lot of work to do in a month but at the minute you would have to fancy Mayo to come out of the game, unless Galway improve drastically.
"Since the draw was made last November, I know for a fact Galway have been focused solely on that game. It is huge because we have only beaten Louth outside of Connacht in a good few years, which is a very poor record by any standard.
"You'd imagine we'd have fluked a game here and there. I know that we lost games by a point over the years but that's immaterial, our back-door record is very poor."
QuoteGALWAY GREAT PADRAIG Joyce has revealed that Michael Meehan is continuing to be hampered by the ankle injury that has curtailed his playing career in recent seasons.
Meehan has finally managed to get a regular run of games under his belt this spring after being sidelined frequently over the last few years.
But his training has been curtailed by an ankle problem that Joyce reckons 'is never going to be fully right'.
Joyce called time on his own inter-county career last winter and believes managing the 2002 and 2005 All-Ireland U21 winner is integral to Galway's aspirations this year.
"People forget that the man has had three or four serious injuries", says Joyce.
"He has not played a spell of football in three or four years. This is the first year that he has played a couple of league games.
"He is struggling, his ankle is never going to be fully right. I think he does a bit of training on a Tuesday and then he can't do anything until the weekend after that.
"He just does a bit of gym work and a bit of aqua jogging. I don't think he can train for three or four days on hard ground but he is doing the best he can. Hopefully in the summer time he is managed right and he will do enough."
Joyce has kept a close eye on Meehan's progress throughout the league.
"While he has had indifferent form, I was glad he got the game-time because he needs a bit of match sharpness.
"I have watched him a few times this year and he is not (too far away), no. He is trying very hard. He is a bit more conservative with his body whereas before he was getting hits in and tracking back.
"Now he is getting cuter and I think he has been told to stay in near the goal. They will have to play to his strength. His strength is facing the ball and putting it over the bar
"Galway try and get the ball into him as much they can because he is the best forward we have at the minute."
For the first time since 98 Galway start the championship without a senior all ireland medal winner.on the team. I am sure Mayo and Kildare especially dream of it being as short as 15 years.
What sort of 'ceeeeap' are we talking about here? Plenty of Ros men sporting high fashion on their heads.
The Mayo lads definitely have the tails up. It was not always thus.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19411.msg976541#msg976541
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2013, 11:05:20 AM
The Mayo lads definitely have the tails up. It was not always thus.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19411.msg976541#msg976541
One of those posters might not feel so liberal to comment on the current regime now. :-X
Quote from: spuds on April 19, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2013, 11:05:20 AM
The Mayo lads definitely have the tails up. It was not always thus.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19411.msg976541#msg976541
One of those posters might not feel so liberal to comment on the current regime now. :-X
It's great to see the progress since the Longford match. I hope ye find another scoring forward and that Andy Moran is back when it counts but I wouldn't mind a Galway win all the same :o.
Quote from: spuds on April 19, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2013, 11:05:20 AM
The Mayo lads definitely have the tails up. It was not always thus.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19411.msg976541#msg976541
One of those posters might not feel so liberal to comment on the current regime now. :-X
Oooooh, saucy. Ketchup on those spuds, eh top man?
This forum is like the worst masquerade ball ever.
How many u-21s will Galway have starting on their team after today?
As far as I know only Flynn, O Curraoin and Walsh are currently on the senior squad. Not sure if the keeper Healy is involved with them?
Flynn missed the whole league through injury while Walsh only made his debut (as a sub) in the second last game at home to Wexford.
O Curraoin was in and out of the team during the league.
I'm sure a few more will get brought into the squad. Mulryan, Daithi Burke and Shaughnessy are the most likely candidates I think.
As regards who will start against Mayo it's hard to know as the team was chopped and changed constantly throughout the league but my guess would be that Walsh, O Curraoin and Flynn will all start.
It's unlikely that any of the others will start if they are drafted into the squad.
Aidrian Varley and Ian Burke should be the first additions to the squad if Mulholland has his rain cap screwed on properly. Both Varley and Burke are good enough to be eventual starters for Galway and even if they won't feature this year as starters they should be bedded in as soon as possible, that is unless they opt to take a J1 or the like as many U21 players not on the county panel do.
Anyways, Galway are have any chance of breaking down Mayo it'll be playing a game similar to their U21s today, try to be economical with what you do get from the middle and utilise your scoring players by giving them quick ball. Trying to run through Mayo is never going to work for Galway.
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As far as I know only Flynn, O Curraoin and Walsh are currently on the senior squad. Not sure if the keeper Healy is involved with them?
Flynn missed the whole league through injury while Walsh only made his debut (as a sub) in the second last game at home to Wexford.
O Curraoin was in and out of the team during the league.
I'm sure a few more will get brought into the squad. Mulryan, Daithi Burke and Shaughnessy are the most likely candidates I think.
As regards who will start against Mayo it's hard to know as the team was chopped and changed constantly throughout the league but my guess would be that Walsh, O Curraoin and Flynn will all start.
It's unlikely that any of the others will start if they are drafted into the squad.
Weren't Donnellan and Joyce u21s in 98? I remember watching Donnellan in the 94 minor final before Down won the 5th sam.
Donnellan was still minor in 95.
Quote from: moysider on April 20, 2013, 08:55:20 PM
Donnellan was still minor in 95.
so he was u21 in 98. They were well beaten in the 94 all ireland .
I m sure I remember him playing against us in minor final in Tuam in 95 when we blew a healthy lead. Twas a dreadful day for us all round and goes to show how quickly fortunes can change in this game. Only Longford in 10 and several other days ;D could compare with the low ebb of that day. Nobody in Mayo could see us blowing a great chance to win an AI final the following year.
Anyway, back to Donnellan. I seem to remember the late, graet Jack Mahon describe him as the best minor footballer in the country in 95.
Quote from: galwayman on April 20, 2013, 06:54:39 PM
As far as I know only Flynn, O Curraoin and Walsh are currently on the senior squad. Not sure if the keeper Healy is involved with them?
Flynn missed the whole league through injury while Walsh only made his debut (as a sub) in the second last game at home to Wexford.
O Curraoin was in and out of the team during the league.
I'm sure a few more will get brought into the squad. Mulryan, Daithi Burke and Shaughnessy are the most likely candidates I think.
As regards who will start against Mayo it's hard to know as the team was chopped and changed constantly throughout the league but my guess would be that Walsh, O Curraoin and Flynn will all start.
It's unlikely that any of the others will start if they are drafted into the squad.
I doubt Walsh will start against Mayo. Not saying he shouldn't but I doubt they will start him. As good as he is he's basically just out of minor. Think it will be just O'Curraoin and Flynn.
Yep Donnellan was minor in 95. I remember playing for my club against him at underage level a few times. He just had this ability to totally dominate games. He was all over the pitch. He was unbelievable back then. Not as a scoregetter as such but just as an all round footballer he was something else.
An amazing athlete.
Yeah the 98 u21 team had 5 lads who started the senior final that year - Donnellan, Joyce, Tomas Meehan, Savo & John Divilly. They really should have won that u21 AI in 98. Left the semi final against Laois behind them.
That same team were unlucky to lose to Derry in minor semi in 95.
Hopefully we can bring some of the u21s from the last few years through over the next 4-5 years
Dublin 2-16 Galway 0-18 in challenge match played in Clondalkin tonight. Don't know the details on what the Galway team was, who played well etc.
That's more than what Mayo scored against Dublin last week. :o
18 pts is a great score to put up against us Dubs.......................the team dublin put out was relatively strong
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 21, 2013, 12:58:57 AM
That's more than what Mayo scored against Dublin last week. :o
I think it's fairly obvious now that Galway will beat Mayo by 2 points, challenge matches in April are always a great indicator of form.........
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That's more than what Mayo scored against Dublin last week. :o
I think it's fairly obvious now that Galway will beat Mayo by 2 points, challenge matches in April are always a great indicator of form.........
You need to correct for the game on the 19th being a home fixture for Galway and the Dublin game having been an away one.
Galway by 6.
When do the 1st round of the qualifiers start?Maybe Andy Moran will be back to get our season back on track.
Quote from: maigheo on April 21, 2013, 03:44:55 PM
When do the 1st round of the qualifiers start?Maybe Andy Moran will be back to get our season back on track.
Usually the end of June the beginning of July!
At last...My pessimism is spreading. :P
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At last...My pessimism is spreading. :P
I can never remember being so unexcited about a Mayo - Galway championship match.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 21, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
At last...My pessimism is spreading. :P
I can never remember being so unexcited about a Mayo - Galway championship match.
Speak for yourself!
I think we shud just give them awesome feckers the game!
Quote from: sans pessimism on April 21, 2013, 05:54:58 PM
I think we shud just give them awesome feckers the game!
They should nominate a club to play us, to make it fair.
With all this talk there is going to be somebody with egg on face come the Sunday evening of May 19th! :-[
Only one question has to answered, how much will Mayo win this game by? The U-21 AI final to be played a week before this game won't help Galways preparations. Galway should have some fight in them after all they are at home to the side they always want/hope to beat but their recent championship record in Pearse Stadium is poor and now they up against seasoned/experienced team that expect to playing late August football.
It is great to see the mayo lads so chirpy, really. But they'll never be insufferable in the tipp style. There is always the self persecution bubbling under the surface. Another reason to hope this team wins the all ireland. It could help to reduce the communal mental torment of the summer to normal levels.
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2013, 08:01:58 PM
It is great to see the mayo lads so chirpy, really. But they'll never be insufferable in the tipp style. There is always the self persecution bubbling under the surface. Another reason to hope this team wins the all ireland. It could help to reduce the communal mental torment of the summer to normal levels.
We'd turn into Clare supporters then. You wouldn't like us.
Quote from: ross4life on April 21, 2013, 06:34:51 PM
Only one question has to answered, how much will Mayo win this game by? The U-21 AI final to be played a week before this game won't help Galways preparations. Galway should have some fight in them after all they are at home to the side they always want/hope to beat but their recent championship record in Pearse Stadium is poor and now they up against seasoned/experienced team that expect to playing late August football.
That's a good point you make about Galway making the U-21 final. While making the league final would have been seen as a hazard to Mayo, could the same be said about the U-21 AIF for Galway? I know people will say that 'sure there's only a few of them on the senior team', but if they win the bloody thing they'll be going in brimful with confidence. Sure I suppose there's only one way to knock the confidence outta them then...
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Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2013, 08:01:58 PM
It is great to see the mayo lads so chirpy, really. But they'll never be insufferable in the tipp style. There is always the self persecution bubbling under the surface. Another reason to hope this team wins the all ireland. It could help to reduce the communal mental torment of the summer to normal levels.
We'd turn into Clare supporters then. You wouldn't like us.
No. Can't wait to go to Ballina afterwards.
It'll really annoy all the Sligo people as well.
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It is great to see the mayo lads so chirpy, really. But they'll never be insufferable in the tipp style. There is always the self persecution bubbling under the surface. Another reason to hope this team wins the all ireland. It could help to reduce the communal mental torment of the summer to normal levels.
We'd turn into Clare supporters then. You wouldn't like us.
No. Can't wait to go to Ballina afterwards.
It'll really annoy all the Sligo people as well.
I hope the Sligo people won't be celebrating their first All-Ireland north of the river, it will probably be 80 years since we won Sam at that stage.
Heard that Alan Dillion played a good portion of a league game for Ballintuber today.He should be able to play some part in Salthill.Still Galway by 3.
Dillon would be a big boost to have back alright although he'll hardly be sharp enough for championship football in 4 weeks time.
After an up and down league, we haven't "discovered" many new players and it's hard to see there being too many changes in personnel from last years starting 15 (from the AIF):
Clarke - guaranteed to start
Keane - possibly will be replaced by Barrett / Walsh / McHale
Cafferkey - guaranteed to start
Higgins - guaranteed to start
Keegan - guaranteed to start
Vaughan - could be replaced but by whom? Feeney? Burke? Which of the three HBs do you play @ 6? I reckon it might have been worth trying Vaughan in the HF line during the league but probably too late for that now. Having stuck with him this far, Horan is unlikely to risk the change.
Boyle - guaranteed to start
Moran - guaranteed to start (if fit), otherwise SO'S
AO'S - guaranteed to start
McLoughlin - guaranteed to start
CO'C - guaranteed to start (I'd play him on the 40, need to get him on the ball as much as possible)
Dillon - guaranteed to start (if fit)
Conroy - guaranteed to start
Varley - seems to be better coming off the bench. Carolan could replace himself or Doc?? Where would Carolan normally play, HF or FF?
Doc - was v poor the last day, who do you replace him with in the FF / HF line though?
I wouldn't bank on Andy making it back to his form of 2011/2012 after being out for so long, could be next year before he's back properly.
Carolan is a hf surely.
If Vaughan doesn't start it would most likely be Cunniffe. Agree with the rest of your analysis.
Over on WJ's blog, somebody (last comment) said that Conroy is out for a few months. Let's hope the rumour is wrong.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 23, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
Over on WJ's blog, somebody (last comment) said that Conroy is out for a few months. Let's hope the rumour is wrong.
Heard he picked up and ankle injury, didn't hear what type exactly. Couple of months would be ligament rupture...hopefully just a sprain though. Going to Salthill without Moran x2 and Conroy wouldn't be ideal putting it mildly.
O baby. Just don't beat those lads before we get our hands on them, ok Galway? 8)
In all seriousness that's a huge blow if true. Conroy is the best ball-winner that Mayo have in the forwards at the moment and he's been kicking some good scores since he joined up with the panel after Davitts' run. He wins enough ball that he should be able to operate as a mini-Andy Moran and set up others even more than he current;y is. A real find at a need position for Mayo, though. Mayo's forwards haven't had a solid shape about them for quite a while and alot of times players are picked positionally based on need rather than at their best positions.
If Andy and Conroy are out that forward line is looking more shook than a Louth man after a Leinster final. Dial-a-Mort, anyone?
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 23, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
Over on WJ's blog, somebody (last comment) said that Conroy is out for a few months. Let's hope the rumour is wrong.
Heard he picked up and ankle injury, didn't hear what type exactly. Couple of months would be ligament rupture...hopefully just a sprain though. Going to Salthill without Moran x2 and Conroy wouldn't be ideal putting it mildly.
Local paper had it as a 'painful' shoulder injury. That could take some time :(
On the other hand Evan Regan scored 1-5 and stayed injury free.
Unfortunately it looks like injuries are a defining factor in the Horan era. Andy Moran s injury really made an AI a bridge too far last year such was his importance - and we reached a final in spite of a serious injury crisis in semi as well. Now new injuries are mounting up on top of the long term stuff. I m not sure any panel would have the resources to deal with this type of thing.
Conroy would be a big loss
Would Regan normally play in the FF line? Have seen very little of him to be honest, is he ready / good enough for county level yet?
Other than that, we'd probably be looking at Doc & Varley in FF? If A Freeman could rediscover his form of 2010 it would be great but no sign of that happening.
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Over on WJ's blog, somebody (last comment) said that Conroy is out for a few months. Let's hope the rumour is wrong.
Heard he picked up and ankle injury, didn't hear what type exactly. Couple of months would be ligament rupture...hopefully just a sprain though. Going to Salthill without Moran x2 and Conroy wouldn't be ideal putting it mildly.
Local paper had it as a 'painful' shoulder injury. That could take some time :(
Sounds like Chinese whispers so when I heard it was the ankle today, must have got lost in translation when word crossed the shannon. Shoulder sounds more realistic to put him out for an extended period of time. Very disappointing. :(
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Conroy would be a big loss
Would Regan normally play in the FF line? Have seen very little of him to be honest, is he ready / good enough for county level yet?
Other than that, we'd probably be looking at Doc & Varley in FF? If A Freeman could rediscover his form of 2010 it would be great but no sign of that happening.
Thing is both Doc and Varley picked up knocks as well! Both have their moments in games for sure. But like Freeman as well they seem to have played their best games when they burst on the scene first.
As for Regan. Pure no.13.
Yeah, Doc hasn't been great in Championship yet despite showing well occasionally in the league, Varley still has something to offer though I think - he has the ability to score some great points on his day.
Other options in the FF line are few and far between:
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
Alan Murphy - brought into the squad in the middle of last year but given hardly any game time
Kirby - is he injured or just not on the panel anymore?
Ronaldson - has the skill but lacks physicality, unlikely to be called up
Anyone else from outside recent panels who should be considered?
With Conroy and Moran x 2 missing for the Galway clash, it surely doesn't make for ideal preperation. Galway will be rubbing their hands with glee and this will be a titanic contest, let nobody be codding themselves.
They ran Dublin close in a challenge match at the weekend and had a decent league campaign. Under 21s flying as well. They'll be ready to pounce and we really can't afford to be caught on the hop in this one.
Just after the first league game this year (Kerry), an interview with Ger Cafferkey http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/its-not-a-matter-of-where-we-are-going-its-how-we-get-there-29102337.html explained that the league was going to be used only to measure performances, that results would play second fiddle as long as the performances were right. You can read any way you like into this but this attitude may have affected 'performances' in some of the league games. The right attitude was definitely on show against Donegal and Cork.
The last think we want is to end up in Derry or somewhere in the 1st/2nd round of the qualifiers. Any talk of bringing in players that weren't tried out in the league is surely nonsense. Horan knows his starting 15 and will have planned for every single scenario if any of those starting 15 gets injured. I'd be shocked if there are any additions to the panel for personnel who weren't tried out in the league (bar Andy Moran le cúnamh Dé).
I'd like to see at least one tough challenge match before the Galway game. I know we have Fermanagh this weekend so it will be a chance to see who will fill in for Conroy.
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Over on WJ's blog, somebody (last comment) said that Conroy is out for a few months. Let's hope the rumour is wrong.
Heard he picked up and ankle injury, didn't hear what type exactly. Couple of months would be ligament rupture...hopefully just a sprain though. Going to Salthill without Moran x2 and Conroy wouldn't be ideal putting it mildly.
Local paper had it as a 'painful' shoulder injury. That could take some time :(
Sounds like Chinese whispers so when I heard it was the ankle today, must have got lost in translation when word crossed the shannon. Shoulder sounds more realistic to put him out for an extended period of time. Very disappointing. :(
The Mayo team that wins the AIF in whatever season probably won't be the same as the team that starts that season. Some fellas will.come into the team to cover injuries or loss of form and be proven at the highest level. Mayo have been building up the consistency but they need to keep at it.
According to Wikipedia, Galway and Mayo are tied on 43 Connacht titles each. It's a bit like Liverpool vs Man Utd. Roscommon would be Leeds.
Conroy having shoulder surgery today. 3 months minimum. Balls.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 26, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Conroy having shoulder surgery today. 3 months minimum. Balls.
+1, He will be a big loss, great ballwinner, if the league semi-final is anything to go by, we are clutching at straws if we think that Regan is a potential replacement. Hopefully he may be one for the future, but on that appearance is seriously lacking in the physical stakes. Unfortunately, we are very light on replacements, I dont think Freeman is good enough for inter county level, Andy Moran may not be bak until later in the summer, (I hope), I know Kilcoyne was mentioned earlier, and I am aware that he is abroad, Maybe James horan will add him to the squad.
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Conroy having shoulder surgery today. 3 months minimum. Balls.
+1, He will be a big loss, great ballwinner, if the league semi-final is anything to go by, we are clutching at straws if we think that Regan is a potential replacement. Hopefully he may be one for the future, but on that appearance is seriously lacking in the physical stakes. Unfortunately, we are very light on replacements, I dont think Freeman is good enough for inter county level, Andy Moran may not be bak until later in the summer, (I hope), I know Kilcoyne was mentioned earlier, and I am aware that he is abroad, Maybe James horan will add him to the squad.
Regan looked the part against in the Kildare match in the league when most of the rest were doing there best not to and I wouldn't be worried if he was thrown in but he isn't as good a ball winner as Conroy although a better score taker.
Awful bad luck for Conroy as I always admired his workrate as much as his skill and I hope he back playing for the end of the club champinship as he will leave a huge void for Davits!
Two years ago Cillian wasn't even a starter. Now he is our most important forward.
Regan could kick on if given a chance just like O'Connor did. I wouldn't write him off at all yet.
Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2013, 02:35:49 PM
Two years ago Cillian wasn't even a starter. Now he is our most important forward.
Regan could kick on if given a chance just like O'Connor did. I wouldn't write him off at all yet.
Did not write him off, please see my comments. In reality it is a big ask to step up to intercounty level from U21. He may be a few years away. I hope I am wrong, just really concerned about our lack of depth in forwards.
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Quote from: muppet on April 26, 2013, 02:35:49 PM
Two years ago Cillian wasn't even a starter. Now he is our most important forward.
Regan could kick on if given a chance just like O'Connor did. I wouldn't write him off at all yet.
Did not write him off, please see my comments. In reality it is a big ask to step up to intercounty level from U21. He may be a few years away. I hope I am wrong, just really concerned about our lack of depth in forwards.
Quotewe are clutching at straws if we think that Regan is a potential replacement.
You hide your optimism well.
Start the lad, just like we did with O'Connor, who was also an U-21.
Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
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Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
Pendulum swinging to Galway now - no doubt about it. We ve been struggling to get a balance in the forwards anyway so this is not going to help. Goin in without Andy, Conroy and Dillon not right either, is not likely to end well.
Regan should start if he stays injury free. My worry about him is that he hasn t been blooded enough. But he couldn t have got much more time because he s had serious injury isssues. He s bulked up a lot but he ll never be michelin man. If we can get him in the game he could be a match winner. Judging him on a few minutes v Dublin in league semi is very hasty. This lad now needs starts and full games and trust in his quality.
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Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
Pendulum swinging to Galway now - no doubt about it. We ve been struggling to get a balance in the forwards anyway so this is not going to help. Goin in without Andy, Conroy and Dillon not right either, is not likely to end well.
Dillon will surely play if he returned to club football last weekend.
What time is throw in? I'm thinking of heading over for this game but need to be back in Knock Airport for 6 at the latest.
Cheers.
Right now, I'd be reasonably confident of a win but a lot can happen between now and May 19th and we can't afford any more injury problems. Galway could take a batin' off any other county but against Mayo, they'll fight to the long whistle.
Mayo will have a fight on their hands and if we happen to win it will because we were the hungrier side- no quarter sought or granted from beginning to end.
From 1-7, I think Mayo can match any side in the land. Horan has options here if he needs them. He can make positional switches and bring on replacements without affecting the overall efficiency of this sector and he should be fairly well served at midfield also, even if Barry Moran is unavailable but the attack worries me a bit.
With Alan and Andy out of the reckoning, we have now lost Mick Conroy and that's one hell of a setback.
We're not blessed with ready made replacements for any one of them, never mind all three. I think Carolan is showing great promise and he'll be a permanent fixture before the summer is over but his best is still to come. I could say the same about Regan; promising enough but not the finished article yet.
Kevin Mac is the only one I can see who can be expected to cause problems for the Galway defence. Cillian seems to have all the attributes needed to make a top class forward but I can't see him taking on the role of leader or father figure or whatever, when the going gets tough. He's no Andy Moran but he has what it takes if only he asserted himself more. Still, I'd like to have him on my side but now is the time for him to step up to the plate as it were.
Varley, Doc and Freeman have been around for a while and all have their moments but I can't see any of them being MOTM on the 19th and that's for sure.
We should just about finish in front in Salthill but with tougher tests ahead, the injured lads had better get back in flying form sooner rather than later.
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Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
Pendulum swinging to Galway now - no doubt about it. We ve been struggling to get a balance in the forwards anyway so this is not going to help. Goin in without Andy, Conroy and Dillon not right either, is not likely to end well.
Regan should start if he stays injury free. My worry about him is that he hasn t been blooded enough. But he couldn t have got much more time because he s had serious injury isssues. He s bulked up a lot but he ll never be michelin man. If we can get him in the game he could be a match winner. Judging him on a few minutes v Dublin in league semi is very hasty. This lad now needs starts and full games and trust in his quality.
How so Moy?
The strongest part of the Mayo team is defence and midfield. From 1-9 everyone should be fit and available by the sounds of it. Mayo kicked a number of free kicks wide in 2011 game they would have beaten Galway by 12 if O'Connor took those frees. Mayo are much improved from that game. K McLoughlin, A Dillon, A Moran; C O’Connor, A Freeman, J Doherty was starting 6 forwards that day & apart from Andy Moran (who is on his way back) i think that same forward line will probably start this game.
Freeman and Doherty don't have the cut to be serious IC forwards IMO, they strike me as the type of players that could be good in the league or will have the odd championship game where you think they've stepped up only to disappoint in the next game. Varley is a better option but he isn't a go to IC full forward either and there is no centre forward in the Mayo panel. Dillon, McLoughlin and COC can be expected to perform at this level more often than not but after that I think Mayo will find it hard to fill the 3 other jerseys up front. AOS may take one but I'd play him midfield.
Mayo will probably throw up their best point scoring display in years with a hamstrung line-up knowing how fickle these games are but on paper Galway have the forwards to make Mayo pay a heavy price if those forwards do fluff their lines.
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Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
Pendulum swinging to Galway now - no doubt about it. We ve been struggling to get a balance in the forwards anyway so this is not going to help. Goin in without Andy, Conroy and Dillon not right either, is not likely to end well.
Dillon will surely play if he returned to club football last weekend.
He did return and played a bit, but looked off the pace a bit according to somebody that knows a bit. The Tubber lads might have a better handle on it. But he s been out a while and may be struggling to get right.
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Galway have to be in with a shout. Mayo injuries and forward questions and galway can always focus for mayo. I hope they give it bhfaca tu this year.
Galway in Salthill will be in with a shout. No mistake about it.
Pendulum swinging to Galway now - no doubt about it. We ve been struggling to get a balance in the forwards anyway so this is not going to help. Goin in without Andy, Conroy and Dillon not right either, is not likely to end well.
Dillon will surely play if he returned to club football last weekend.
He did return and played a bit, but looked off the pace a bit according to somebody that knows a bit. The Tubber lads might have a better handle on it. But he s been out a while and may be struggling to get right.
Yeah, that's the big concern. Alan has played a lot of county football in various grades since he was in his teens and he's clocked up a fair bit of mileage. He has also picked up a lot of injuries along the way.
There's absolutely no guarantee that he'll hit the ground running when he does return again. Same goes for Andy; he's been on the go a long time and has had his share of knocks also.
I have to agree with Zulu that we are short of good IC forwards. With Andy out of the running, we haven't a recognised FF and no natural CHF either. It could well be the case if we come away from Salthill with a win that Galway played badly rather than Mayo being in top gear.
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 26, 2013, 11:44:05 PM
What time is throw in? I'm thinking of heading over for this game but need to be back in Knock Airport for 6 at the latest.
Cheers.
Throws in at 4pm zig.
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This was well flagged, but it will be 8 weeks out for Conroy so he misses the Galway game.
Evan Regan came off injured yesterday in Breaffy match. Knee. Haven t heard how bad it is yet. Came back on after it happened but had to be taken off again before ht.
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Evan Regan came off injured yesterday in Breaffy match. Knee. Haven t heard how bad it is yet. Came back on after it happened but had to be taken off again before ht.
Is it safe to assume it was the same knee that troubled for most of last year as well Moy?
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 29, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Evan Regan came off injured yesterday in Breaffy match. Knee. Haven t heard how bad it is yet. Came back on after it happened but had to be taken off again before ht.
Is it safe to assume it was the same knee that troubled for most of last year as well Moy?
Not sure. Should know more later.
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 29, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Evan Regan came off injured yesterday in Breaffy match. Knee. Haven t heard how bad it is yet. Came back on after it happened but had to be taken off again before ht.
Is it safe to assume it was the same knee that troubled for most of last year as well Moy?
Not sure. Should know more later.
Hopefully it more of the " took a knock variety" than a full recurrence of the injury cause I think given the chance he could be a major force for Mayo this year.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
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This was well flagged, but it will be 8 weeks out for Conroy so he misses the Galway game.
Them are the breaks! Big loss. Very under-rated because of his size and style of play. Ah, a door of opportunity opens for someone else to stake a claim.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
What I m hearing is that it's a dead leg. Hopefully that is all it is. Of bigger concern apparently is Boyle's hamstring injury.
Christ they re mounting up now.
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
What I m hearing is that it's a dead leg. Hopefully that is all it is. Of bigger concern apparently is Boyle's hamstring injury.
Christ they re mounting up now.
Time to swallow yer pride and drag in some of your Mayo champions, me thinks. Ros lads are made of hardier stuff. :-X
Is Barry Moran going to be fit for this game does anybody know?
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
What I m hearing is that it's a dead leg. Hopefully that is all it is. Of bigger concern apparently is Boyle's hamstring injury.
Christ they re mounting up now.
Time to swallow yer pride and drag in some of your Mayo champions, me thinks. Ros lads are made of hardier stuff. :-X
Bejaney, at the rate they are dropping, we might have to ask St Patrick, if he's not injured as well, to tog out! ;D
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
Keith Rogers was in the panel earlier and must have got injured or something because he got little time even though he has always looked a very good player?
But who else is there? Suggestions?
What I m hearing is that it's a dead leg. Hopefully that is all it is. Of bigger concern apparently is Boyle's hamstring injury.
Christ they re mounting up now.
Time to swallow yer pride and drag in some of your Mayo champions, me thinks. Ros lads are made of hardier stuff. :-X
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 09:56:17 PM
Is Barry Moran going to be fit for this game does anybody know?
Has a good shot at being fit for it.
At last! A bit of ..... er....um ...... not awful news.
Hopefully he ll get back soon. I know he s not everybody s cup of tea. I ve always thought it was essential he would come through the ranks. His best is ahead of him if he can stay fit. Huge player for us imo.
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 29, 2013, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 23, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Killer - Farr, is he still in the UK?,
He is and hasn't featured at all this year due to an injury he picked up in December. :-\ That's a balls if it's Regan's same knee that's giving him trouble again.
What I m hearing is that it's a dead leg. Hopefully that is all it is. Of bigger concern apparently is Boyle's hamstring injury.
Christ they re mounting up now.
Time to swallow yer pride and drag in some of your Mayo champions, me thinks. Ros lads are made of hardier stuff. :-X
Keith Rogers was in the panel earlier and must have got injured or something because he got little time even though he has always looked a very good player?
But who else is there? Suggestions?
Stephen Drake was exceptional for Ballagh last year and was the only Ballagh player to really shine against Brigids when it mattered the most. He is 29~30 but if he had the time he'd have been exactly the sort of the player that could allow Mayo to move Keith Higgins up the field without leaving a gaping hole at the back, both in skill and in leadership. After the success Boyle and Conroy have had it's surprising that Horan hasn't really had much of a look at the older members of the Ballagh panel. On top of that, Keith Rodgers barely has got a look in either.
I know Horan has more midfielders than he knows what to do with but James Kilkullen is playing great for Sligo and is the type of player who could have operated in the 11/third midfielder role Horan is trying to shoe-horn AOS/COC into much better than AOS/COC ever will be able to.
I think Mayo missed a beat with the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county without Andy so there was more to be had from that team. Every option isn't going to work out but their achievements last season should have meant more than almost zero opportunities.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
Stephen Drake was exceptional for Ballagh last year and was the only Ballagh player to really shine against Brigids when it mattered the most. He is 29~30 but if he had the time he'd have been exactly the sort of the player that could allow Mayo to move Keith Higgins up the field without leaving a gaping hole at the back, both in skill and in leadership. After the success Boyle and Conroy have had it's surprising that Horan hasn't really had much of a look at the older members of the Ballagh panel. On top of that, Keith Rodgers barely has got a look in either.
I know Horan has more midfielders than he knows what to do with but James Kilkullen is playing great for Sligo and is the type of player who could have operated in the 11/third midfielder role Horan is trying to shoe-horn AOS/COC into much better than AOS/COC ever will be able to.
I think Mayo missed a beat with the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county without Andy so there was more to be had from that team. Every option isn't going to work out but their achievements last season should have meant more than almost zero opportunities.
you gotta love the Drake ,
while its not unusual for a bolter to emerge between the league and championship mayo normalty have a longer period and more chalage games in that time. Maybe they are holding behind closed door challanges butI doubt with Horan being horan we will see too many Unenforced changes for the galway game.
th e massive question is how are we going to replace Conroy who has bee the Lynch pin of our attack all year,
do we look for a like for like replacement or change our style a bit.
Quote from: rosnarun on April 30, 2013, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
Stephen Drake was exceptional for Ballagh last year and was the only Ballagh player to really shine against Brigids when it mattered the most. He is 29~30 but if he had the time he'd have been exactly the sort of the player that could allow Mayo to move Keith Higgins up the field without leaving a gaping hole at the back, both in skill and in leadership. After the success Boyle and Conroy have had it's surprising that Horan hasn't really had much of a look at the older members of the Ballagh panel. On top of that, Keith Rodgers barely has got a look in either.
I know Horan has more midfielders than he knows what to do with but James Kilkullen is playing great for Sligo and is the type of player who could have operated in the 11/third midfielder role Horan is trying to shoe-horn AOS/COC into much better than AOS/COC ever will be able to.
I think Mayo missed a beat with the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county without Andy so there was more to be had from that team. Every option isn't going to work out but their achievements last season should have meant more than almost zero opportunities.
you gotta love the Drake ,
while its not unusual for a bolter to emerge between the league and championship mayo normalty have a longer period and more chalage games in that time. Maybe they are holding behind closed door challanges butI doubt with Horan being horan we will see too many Unenforced changes for the galway game.
th e massive question is how are we going to replace Conroy who has bee the Lynch pin of our attack all year,
do we look for a like for like replacement or change our style a bit.
If Horan can find a credible solution to that one Ros not only will we beat Galway but we will be a serious prospect around August Sept time too!
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county affiliated to the County Board
I just know that's what you meant to say Syfeen ;D
I suppose we want Galway, having looked on this game as their AI to ambush the rhus and then get built up like mad so we can in turn spring our own little ambusheen. :o
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2013, 03:25:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county affiliated to the County Board
I just know that's what you meant to say Syfeen ;D
I suppose we want Galway, having looked on this game as their AI to ambush the rhus and then get built up like mad so we can in turn spring our own little ambusheen. :o
Am I right in thinking that Roscommon are away to whoever wins between Mayo or Galway? Would certainly affect their chances a little as they have a terrible record in both Castlebar and Salthill. From what I can remember anyway.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 30, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2013, 03:25:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county affiliated to the County Board
I just know that's what you meant to say Syfeen ;D
I suppose we want Galway, having looked on this game as their AI to ambush the rhus and then get built up like mad so we can in turn spring our own little ambusheen. :o
Am I right in thinking that Roscommon are away to whoever wins between Mayo or Galway? Would certainly affect their chances a little as they have a terrible record in both Castlebar and Salthill. From what I can remember anyway.
Yes you are right.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 30, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2013, 03:25:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county affiliated to the County Board
I just know that's what you meant to say Syfeen ;D
I suppose we want Galway, having looked on this game as their AI to ambush the rhus and then get built up like mad so we can in turn spring our own little ambusheen. :o
Am I right in thinking that Roscommon are away to whoever wins between Mayo or Galway? Would certainly affect their chances a little as they have a terrible record in both Castlebar and Salthill. From what I can remember anyway.
Castlebar has been a very happy hunting ground lately so we'd probably prefer it to a trek to Salthill.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 30, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 30, 2013, 03:25:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
the Ballagh players, they showed themselves to be the best club in the county affiliated to the County Board
I just know that's what you meant to say Syfeen ;D
I suppose we want Galway, having looked on this game as their AI to ambush the rhus and then get built up like mad so we can in turn spring our own little ambusheen. :o
Am I right in thinking that Roscommon are away to whoever wins between Mayo or Galway? Would certainly affect their chances a little as they have a terrible record in both Castlebar and Salthill. From what I can remember anyway.
Castlebar has been a very happy hunting ground lately so we'd probably prefer it to a trek to Salthill.
Surely that's just at underage though? Can't remember many senior victories there.
Guess the duck will have to be broken eventually.
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park. It's the mid 80s since we beat Mayo in Castlebar or Galway in Salthill but Sligo went to Salthill on the back of poor record last summer & won. TBH our long wait without a competitive game & then having to play Galway or Mayo off a big win will affect our chances more than the venue.
Round 2 of qualifiers looks likely for us this summer & knowing our luck in draws we'll probably get the loser of Tyrone or Donegal.
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park.
Against Mayo though? Not exactly the same thing playing Sligo there.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 30, 2013, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park.
Against Mayo though? Not exactly the same thing playing Sligo there.
Did the rest of my post become invisible?
Clearly isn't the same thing but Sligo have proved to be a tough nut to crack in a Connacht final as Galway found out in 2007 or Mayo did last July.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 30, 2013, 05:27:30 PM
Castlebar has been a very happy hunting ground lately so we'd probably prefer it to a trek to Salthill.
Surely that's just at underage though? Can't remember many senior victories there.
Guess the duck will have to be broken eventually.
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Indeed it will because underage buckeens will grow up eventually.
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park. It's the mid 80s since we beat Mayo in Castlebar or Galway in Salthill but Sligo went to Salthill on the back of poor record last summer & won. TBH our long wait without a competitive game & then having to play Galway or Mayo off a big win will affect our chances more than the venue.
Round 2 of qualifiers looks likely for us this summer & knowing our luck in draws we'll probably get the loser of Tyrone or Donegal.
Nah, (if ye lose) ye'll end up getting the winner of the loser of Cavan and Armagh and someone else. Syferus will have a great day. ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park. It's the mid 80s since we beat Mayo in Castlebar or Galway in Salthill but Sligo went to Salthill on the back of poor record last summer & won. TBH our long wait without a competitive game & then having to play Galway or Mayo off a big win will affect our chances more than the venue.
Round 2 of qualifiers looks likely for us this summer & knowing our luck in draws we'll probably get the loser of Tyrone or Donegal.
Nah, (if ye lose) ye'll end up getting the winner of the loser of Cavan and Armagh and someone else. Syferus will have a great day. ;)
Already have the hotel room booked for the final in Castlebar, lads.
Don't even know why because I can gun it down the N5 in no time, but I think it was a suitable show of arrogance.
I happened to drive past Pearse Stadium around 9pm this evening and spotted the Mayo team playing a training game there.
Would this be standard for county games (i.e allowing your opponents to get a training session or two in on your pitch before a championship game)?
I wouldn't have thought so.
Anyway it was getting dark by the time I passed & with no lights in Pearse I kept moving as I assume the session was coming to an end.
It's a strange type of build up to this game.
It's hard to get excited about it. That is probably down to the fact that Galway have fallen so far down the football pecking order nationally to be fair
Funny buildup alright galwayman. I'm worried that all our injuries will be the deciding factor in thiss gsme. Especially if Boyle is out too. Galway always would get their dander up to play Mayo, but Mayo's increasing injury list must have Mullholland rubbing his hands with glee.
Quote from: Syferus on April 30, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 30, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
We won the 2010 senior title in McHale park. It's the mid 80s since we beat Mayo in Castlebar or Galway in Salthill but Sligo went to Salthill on the back of poor record last summer & won. TBH our long wait without a competitive game & then having to play Galway or Mayo off a big win will affect our chances more than the venue.
Round 2 of qualifiers looks likely for us this summer & knowing our luck in draws we'll probably get the loser of Tyrone or Donegal.
Nah, (if ye lose) ye'll end up getting the winner of the loser of Cavan and Armagh and someone else. Syferus will have a great day. ;)
Already have the hotel room booked for the final in Castlebar, lads.
Don't even know why because I can gun it down the N5 in no time, but I think it was a suitable show of arrogance.
Don't get Sligonian going!
QuoteI'm worried that all our injuries will be the deciding factor in this game
Far realistically - how many lads does it look like ye will be missing for the game?
I assume Andy Moran & Michael Conroy are definite absentees.
I know Dillon has been short of gametime but I assume he is recovered from his injury now and will make it?
Is it likely Barry Moran will be available?
I know any injuries to first team players will weaken any team but is it possible that Conroy is the only starter from the AI semi final v the Dubs last year that won't be available?
Even missing a few lads ye should have the measure of us.
I think we might have the makings of a good side again in a few years time but right now we are lacking quality experienced players.
In past times talented young players coming through had lads like Kevin Walsh, Ja Fallon, Tomas Mannion etc to provide the leadership, quality & experience.
That 98 team we had that won the AI had 5 u21s (PJ & Michael Donnellan among them) but no way would that team have even got out of Connacht without those experienced leaders they had in the team.
We don't have that at the present time I'm afraid.
Anyway I'm actually getting tired myself now of being so pessimistic about our chances so here's hoping for one big performance from our lads on the 19th.
Motivation shouldn't be lacking anyway. Nobody is giving Galway any chance in this one
I'll have an early stab at guessing the Galway line up...
1 Egan (have not seen too much of him but I don't rate Breathnach that highly to be honest. Adrian Faherty is our best keeper but unfortunately is unavailable for the time being)
2 Forde
3 Hanley (I have heard he is a doubt for the game - not too sure what the story is with his injury)
4 Duane
5 Bradshaw
6 Kelly
7 Sice
8 Coleman
9 O Curraoin
10 Flynn
11 Armstrong
12 Doherty
13 Meehan (I personally believe he is finished as a county footballer. The injuries he has suffered mean he is simply not able to perform at the level he once was. Such a huge pity as Mikey is one of the most dedicated footballers ever to wear the maroon & white and is a supremely talented player in full flight)
14 Conroy
15 Cummins
If Hanley doesn't make it I would expect Gary Sweeney to come into the side with Johnny Duane probably moving into number 3. If this is the case - if I were a Mayoman I'd be hoping that management put the quickest Mayo player in on him. Johnny is a fine footballer but is not the quickest & a speedster could do damage on him.
There is a possibility that Shane Walsh will be parachuted straight into the starting line up but I reckon they will keep him in reserve and spring him from the bench at some stage.
Michael Martin also has a strong chance of starting in the forwardline. They might start him centre forward where he played as a county minor.
It's a pity Tomas Fahy is not in the squad. A hugely talented attacking wing back.
Of the u21s (apart from Walsh, Flynn & O Curraoin) - I would expect James Shaughnessy to probably be on the bench. I also would not be surprised if Cathal Mulryan got called up to the squad. He looks a future senior star in the making - probably in the half back line.
I believe he is a cousin of Mayo wing back Colm Boyle.
That's my two cents anyway.
I think Mulholland - who is involved with the U21s directly - doesn't start Walsh he's inching himself towards the exit door. He's simply in the sort of form where you have to take the training wheels off and have at it. The other two of the U21 forward line should be the ones in reserve on the bench.
Mayo's backs will be doing back-flips in their minds if Walsh is left out.
Let s see.
Conroy - looks like def out.
Andy Moran - Local bible says he s training intensively and may play a bit! f**king superhero if he pulls a recovery like that off.
Barry - ankle injury and ankles can recover middlin quick and can be strapped. Another knee injury would have been much worse and he might have a chance.
Higgins - hamstrings are a nightmare for a quick explosive player and can be a nightmare to get right again.
Boyle - same as Higgins
Dillon - played a full game, it ll be about match fitness.
Cuniffe - achilles, depends on extent of damage again.
We might be able to get most on the pitch but would be happier if these lads were able to train rather than in treatment. I dont think we ll see half-fit players start. Could be interesting enough starting 15
Always scary when you have a big lad in the middle with ankle/foot problems. Mike Finneran picked up a foot injury for us in a challenge match before the Galway game last May and wasn't right until October/November, even if he battled through a few games. Lots of ways to banjax a half-injured foot when you're jumping high in the air for balls with another man 20-30 times a game.
True. But you can talk to an ankle - a knee just wont listen.
As an exercise let's assume the worst for all the doubtful players Moysider has listed a couple of posts above and look at the most likely team Horan (if he stays conservative in his selection) would pick. It would be along the lines of :
Clarke
Barrett Caff Keane/McHale
Keegan Vaughan Feeney
Seamus O' Shea Gibbons
McLoughlin Aidan O' Shea Carolan
Cillan O' C Alan Freeman Doherty/Varley
Now the big question is would this line up have enough form or confidence for a real battle in Salthill assuming Galway show up? At the moment while I think team above has the ability I am not sure if we would have the firepower under pressure or the composure to keep a determined Galway at bay. In Galway v Mayo games ( that I can recall) any team that gets the momentum going in the second half is generally hard stopped and home advantage in this case has always been a big factor!
Is Andy Moran back yet?
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2013, 10:11:14 AM
Is Andy Moran back yet?
He's back running freely doing limited contact training from what I hear and like Moysider I have heard whispers that he might even play a cameo role against Galway. The more consistent reports I have heard though is he should be back to 100% physically by late July/August and the hope is to have him on the bench for a potential Connacht final if we get there!
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 01, 2013, 09:58:07 AM
As an exercise let's assume the worst for all the doubtful players Moysider has listed a couple of posts above and look at the most likely team Horan (if he stays conservative in his selection) would pick. It would be along the lines of :
Clarke
Barrett Caff Keane/McHale
Keegan Vaughan Feeney
Seamus O' Shea Gibbons
McLoughlin Aidan O' Shea Carolan
Cillan O' C Alan Freeman Doherty/Varley
Now the big question is would this line up have enough form or confidence for a real battle in Salthill assuming Galway show up? At the moment while I think team above has the ability I am not sure if we would have the firepower under pressure or the composure to keep a determined Galway at bay. In Galway v Mayo games ( that I can recall) any team that gets the momentum going in the second half is generally hard stopped and home advantage in this case has always been a big factor!
Seriously why would you have freeman at sull forward. I have not seen him play a game of worth since the Sligo game 3 years ago
I give anyone else a go
Coen c o'se kirby or murohy even
though knowing horan it awill be doherty at 14 and Varley in the corner . I have no great problem with that
Quote from: rosnarun on May 01, 2013, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 01, 2013, 09:58:07 AM
As an exercise let's assume the worst for all the doubtful players Moysider has listed a couple of posts above and look at the most likely team Horan (if he stays conservative in his selection) would pick. It would be along the lines of :
Clarke
Barrett Caff Keane/McHale
Keegan Vaughan Feeney
Seamus O' Shea Gibbons
McLoughlin Aidan O' Shea Carolan
Cillan O' C Alan Freeman Doherty/Varley
Now the big question is would this line up have enough form or confidence for a real battle in Salthill assuming Galway show up? At the moment while I think team above has the ability I am not sure if we would have the firepower under pressure or the composure to keep a determined Galway at bay. In Galway v Mayo games ( that I can recall) any team that gets the momentum going in the second half is generally hard stopped and home advantage in this case has always been a big factor!
Seriously why would you have freeman at sull forward. I have not seen him play a game of worth since the Sligo game 3 years ago
I give anyone else a go
Coen c o'se kirby or murohy even
though knowing horan it awill be doherty at 14 and Varley in the corner . I have no great problem with that
The bit in bold should make it clear I was trying to anticpate what Horan would pick not my preference!Personally I wouldn't have him in the first 15 as I think he has had enough chances but I am just basing the team on what I have seen Horan do during the league campaign this year and last year.
Quote from: moysider on May 01, 2013, 12:33:35 AM
True. But you can talk to an ankle - a knee just wont listen.
I know a good knee whisperer.
I thought Higgins would have progressed a bit more or do hamstrings generally take 5/6 weeks to get right?
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Paul Conroy cost Mulholland 10k 2 years ago, with the a goal against Mayo.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=paul%20conroy%20goal%20cost%20alan%20mulholland%20bookies&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Farchives%2F2011%2F0628%2Fireland%2Fconroy-gives-punters-comfort-159279.html&ei=XzmBUYOgOIWN7Aaf4oGwAg&usg=AFQjCNEmtLW2IH0uYJ9h1q2OnzOGrAuu8w
Such a load of auld shite from Mulholland.
Lets tell everyone Galway havent a hope against Mayo. Build up them Mayo gobshites. Keep telling them how great they are. Sure you know them Mayo bucks. They always fall for it. And then bam. When we beat them, we tell them they were over confident and you can never be over confident against Galway in salthill. Is this just a GAA thing. How many other sports do you go into the game telling every one how shite your own team is and build up the opposition. Then if your own team wins you go back to the same people and tell them they were to cocky despite the fact you were the one saying they would win
Well if you're anything to go by his cunning plan is working like a charm. :D
Don't worry, I haven't fallen for anything.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2013, 09:53:33 PM
Well if you're anything to go by his cunning plan is working like a charm. :D
Really? How so?
Mulholland is abusing his position as Galway manager to promote his business imo. If I were the Galway board or his players I d be taking a dim view of this type of shite-hawking.
Good post criostlinn.Very poor form from Mullholland and I know he is only trying to promote his business but I would expect better from an inter county manager.Seems like he has gotten a few tips from J.O.M.
Crete, that is probably fairly close to the team Horan will select depending on injuries although I'm not sure he will persist with AOS on the 40. I think he was right to attempt it during the league and try to make it work but it's surely not something for the Championship when it's not working.
Is Aidan Campbell still playing?? He was a promising player who seemed to get fairly shafted after making a stupid but relatively simple mistake
Was reading in the Mayo News about the "Mayo GAA Academy" - sounds decent enough but is it just spin or has anyone heard anything firsthand about what it's like? ??
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17653:the-mayo-gaa-academy-six-months-on&catid=14&Itemid=100008 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17653:the-mayo-gaa-academy-six-months-on&catid=14&Itemid=100008)
Anyone heard the rumour that Doherty is injured and possibly out as well?
Quote from: muppet on May 04, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
Anyone heard the rumour that Doherty is injured and possibly out as well?
Well he's not named in panel for the challenge match against Fermanagh. Neither is Alan Dillon or Colm Boyle
Starting Team: O'Malley, Walsh, McHale, Harrison, Keegan, Vaughan, Burke, A.O'S, S.O'S, McLoughlin, Feeney, Carolan, O'Connor, Freeman, Coen
Subs: D.Clarke, G.Cafferkey, K.Keane, K.Rogers, J.Gibbons, E.Varley, C. O'Shea & A.Murphy
Anybody get injured in training or getting in or out of bed over the weekend?
Can everybody just lie to me about injuries to Mayo players for the next 10 or so days! Just keep saying they are all doing well in training. Leave the surprises for the 19th. There are so many crocked players at this stage that I'll need tranquilisers to sleep at night! :P
Anyway heard through the grape vine Mayo beat Fermanagh 3-13 to 1-12. Vaughan, Freeman and Murphy with the goals. Game naturally lacked intensity! Andy Moran took a full part in the warm up.
All the time we talk about football and we focus on players, managers, team selections, tactics, skills etc, yet a little luck is always involved in the game and sure as hell we are not having a whole lot of it as far as injuries are concerned. I can't remember so many county players getting injured in one weekend of club fixtures and on top of what's there already it's making the 19th more and more of a tougher task.
Conroy was one player we really could have done without getting injured IMO. One of our very few consistent forwards from a league campaign where we struggled to display any consistent pattern to our attack and now we'll be going in against Galway with even more question marks over our forward line. As it stands we have only two definite starters in our front 6, McLoughlin and O'Connor. The remaining four spots are anyone from Dillon (worried that he did not feature in that challenge against Fermanagh), Carolan, Freeman, Doc, Varley, Regan, Feeney, Murphy and with the exception of Dillon there is little to choose between the rest of them. Add to that the obvious uncertainty about how to best utilise O'Connor it is very hard to see exactly how we will set up attack wise. Either Horan will gamble on the likes of Carolan, Regan and possibly Murphy or he will set up conservatively with Feeney and Doc working back with Mcloughlin to defend in numbers and try to dominate midfield, using Vaughan, Keegan and Higgins (if fit) breaking forward along with trying to get AOS on the ball Galways half of the pitch more than in our half. O'Connor will need to be kept close to the Galway goal, we can't afford to have him like I saw him in the league semi, on our 21 helping to defend. I just feel given injury crisis we are going to have to look to winning ugly to come out of Salthill Sunday week.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 06, 2013, 11:13:37 PM
Can everybody just lie to me about injuries to Mayo players for the next 10 or so days! Just keep saying they are all doing well in training. Leave the surprises for the 19th. There are so many crocked players at this stage that I'll need tranquilisers to sleep at night! :P
Anyway heard through the grape vine Mayo beat Fermanagh 3-13 to 1-12. Vaughan, Freeman and Murphy with the goals. Game naturally lacked intensity! Andy Moran took a full part in the warm up.
Yeah, and Regan got injured again in training during the week.
Brendan Harrison from Aughamore seems to have been introduced into the panel and was named to start v Fermanagh. Good to see that Walsh and Burke were named to start anyway. I wouldn t give up the ghost yet. Some of these guys could give us a boost. Of course we will need Barry, Andy and Dillon to do anything but if we could manage without them for a while we could have real options.
Anyone know how Feeney played against Fermanagh?
His selection at CF was an interesting one and he might be the answer to one of Horan's problems.
IMO, he's too good to leave out of the side and Horan has plenty of options in the HB line. He seems to prefer playing further forward and if he played well at no. 11, he could start there against Galway.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 07, 2013, 01:42:00 PM
Anyone know how Feeney played against Fermanagh?
His selection at CF was an interesting one and he might be the answer to one of Horan's problems.
IMO, he's too good to leave out of the side and Horan has plenty of options in the HB line. He seems to prefer playing further forward and if he played well at no. 11, he could start there against Galway.
He had a mighty first half scoring two points and showing for everything. Faded in the second like a lot of team
QuoteFOUR of Galway's triumphant All-Ireland U-21s returned to senior county training yesterday, but no more will be called up ahead of the Tribesmen's Connacht SFC opener.
Captain Fiontan O Curraoin, his midfield partner Thomas Flynn, 19-year-old forward Shane Walsh and goalkeeper Tom Healy were already part of Alan Mulholland's senior panel.
They didn't spend too long celebrating as they quickly turned their thoughts to the Connacht quarter-final against Mayo on May 19.
Mulholland revealed yesterday that "we have an eye on one or two more of them" but he indicated that it "would be another while" before any more of the county's U-21 heroes were recruited for senior duty.
And he warned that the boost many believe Galway will get from winning their second All-Ireland U-21 title in three years may not be felt this summer.
"The U-21s' victory doesn't have any bearing on our forthcoming match against Mayo," he stressed. "There may be people in the county who think we'll immediately get some benefit but that really won't be the case.
"I know as much as anyone else just how much time it takes for U-21 players to come through at senior level," added the man who managed Galway to U-21 glory in 2011.
"As we saw again against Cork, it is a completely different kind of game from senior football. Obviously it was great to see the U-21s perform so well and win another All-Ireland, but the reality is that it will be another year or two before some more of that team are ready to come through."
O Curraoin and Flynn, who starred against Cork, were immediately recruited to the senior set-up after the U-21s' success in 2011.
Both have been hit by bad injuries over the past 18 months and are only now operating at full fitness again, underlining how it can take time and good luck for U-21 players to adapt to the senior inter-county game.
Of Galway's previous victorious U-21 team, Mark Hehir, Tomas Fahy, Johnny Duane, Conor Doherty and Michael Boyle were also quickly elevated to the senior ranks.
Yet Galway seniors' struggles in the past year – failing to win promotion from Division 2 for two consecutive seasons and bowing out of the championship to Sligo (in Connacht) and Antrim (in the qualifiers) last summer – demonstrated that it is not always a quick or easy transition.
They also won the All-Ireland U-21 titles in 2002 and 2005 – the latter team featuring Michael Meehan, Sean Armstrong, Finian Hanley and Gary Sice – but they haven't won the Sam Maguire since 2001.
Augurs
However, the fact that the U-21s beat Sligo, Mayo and Roscommon within their province and then ousted a highly regarded Kildare team and showed such flair against Cork in the final certainly augurs well.
Walsh, who plays for Kilkerrin-Clonberne, is a great prospect. He was a member of the county minor team that lost an All-Ireland semi-final to Dublin two years ago and his skill and versatility are exceptional.
A groin injury restricted his NFL involvement to just one appearance, against Wexford, but he is expected to see much more game-time this summer.
Classy attacker Ian Burke is another player with exciting potential, while Cathal Mulryan put in a great shift at half-forward against Cork. Dual star Daithi Burke is also likely to get a a chance at senior level soon.
With U-21 boss Alan Flynn part of the senior management team, there is no shortage of cross-pollination, but Mulholland is well aware of the dangers involved in rushing players through.
Galway, who lost 0-18 to 0-13 in a challenge match against Kildare last Sunday, expect to have Hanley back in time to face Mayo.
u21 is like old style fuball, ie kick the ball.
No defence swarming and you don't have to be 2 stone heavier than a hurler of the same age.
No defence swarming!
Did you even watch the match?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 07, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
No defence swarming!
Did you even watch the match?
Little bees only make a small hive.
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 07, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
No defence swarming!
Did you even watch the match?
Nothing on the scale of Donegal v Tyrone in a few weeks.
There was still some football oxygen.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
QuoteI think it will have a huge boost to Galway
It is a boost for the senior team for the future - no doubt about that. It's of no relevance to the game on 19th May though.
It is going to take time for these lads to come though. There are just 2 of that side likely to start for the seniors and 2 more panellists.
Remember we won the u21 AI two years ago as well & it didn't do the senior team much good in the championship that year or last year either.
Look at the Mayo team now - there is a hell of a lot of lads that played on the u21 AI winning team of 2006 involved with the senior team now. It took 7 seasons for that group of players to make any real impact on the senior championship.
There's no quick fix to our woes at senior level - we just have to bring these players through incrementally over the next 4-5-6 years.
That's all we can do.
Quote from: moysider on May 07, 2013, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 06, 2013, 11:13:37 PM
Can everybody just lie to me about injuries to Mayo players for the next 10 or so days! Just keep saying they are all doing well in training. Leave the surprises for the 19th. There are so many crocked players at this stage that I'll need tranquilisers to sleep at night! :P
Anyway heard through the grape vine Mayo beat Fermanagh 3-13 to 1-12. Vaughan, Freeman and Murphy with the goals. Game naturally lacked intensity! Andy Moran took a full part in the warm up.
Yeah, and Regan got injured again in training during the week.
Brendan Harrison from Aughamore seems to have been introduced into the panel and was named to start v Fermanagh. Good to see that Walsh and Burke were named to start anyway. I wouldn t give up the ghost yet. Some of these guys could give us a boost. Of course we will need Barry, Andy and Dillon to do anything but if we could manage without them for a while we could have real options.
Jaysus, another forward on the casualty list! Agree with you bout Walsh and Burke, liked the look of Walsh when he came on in the semi, looks the most natural corner back we've had in a long time. If Horan is looking at these guys with the notion of releasing Higgins further out the field it can only be a good thing, but it remains to be seen if this is what he is thinking. Regan injured ain't good, our depth in the forwards has receded to ankle deep at this stage!!!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
A repeat of 98 would be lovely. 3 or 4 young fellas with no fear and the Mayo complex kicking in. It isn't even knockout so they can always go the scenic route. Mayo have loads more experience but they aren't playing Leitrim.
I think Mayo need a higher overall standard in Connacht as well so the best thing would be a tight match.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
A repeat of 98 would be lovely. 3 or 4 young fellas with no fear and the Mayo complex kicking in. It isn't even knockout so they can always go the scenic route. Mayo have loads more experience but they aren't playing Leitrim.
I think Mayo need a higher overall standard in Connacht as well so the best thing would be a tight match.
The comparison with 98 is obvious. Or at least at first glance it is. However the game has changed a lot and it is very unlikely a team of kids could pull that off now. That 98 team had hardened quality veterans like Ja, Mannion and Walsh as well as the Savages, Joyces and Donnellans. Of course Galway can always beat Mayo but how would they cope against the tactically advanced teams like Tyrone and Donegal. That ll be the important thing for them sooner or later. I m not sure Mulholland will try to change Galway s traditional game. U21 is a different galaxy to senior championship. Galway should ideally be in Div 1 but even if Mayo were at full strength this match could go either way most days.
Quote from: moysider on May 08, 2013, 12:20:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
A repeat of 98 would be lovely. 3 or 4 young fellas with no fear and the Mayo complex kicking in. It isn't even knockout so they can always go the scenic route. Mayo have loads more experience but they aren't playing Leitrim.
I think Mayo need a higher overall standard in Connacht as well so the best thing would be a tight match.
The comparison with 98 is obvious. Or at least at first glance it is. However the game has changed a lot and it is very unlikely a team of kids could pull that off now. That 98 team had hardened quality veterans like Ja, Mannion and Walsh as well as the Savages, Joyces and Donnellans. Of course Galway can always beat Mayo but how would they cope against the tactically advanced teams like Tyrone and Donegal. That ll be the important thing for them sooner or later. I m not sure Mulholland will try to change Galway s traditional game. U21 is a different galaxy to senior championship. Galway should ideally be in Div 1 but even if Mayo were at full strength this match could go either way most days.
In fairness, Moysider, making it past the first match in the QFs would be an achievement for Galway for this year . Ideally not losing the last match by 1 point either.
But anything goes v Mayo. I still think Mayo will win by 5 or 6 but wouldn't be surprised if it was Galway's day.
There's no comparison with 98 at all imo.
As Moysider has said previously, that Galway team had some quality mature established players. Lads like Tomas Mannion, Kevin Walsh, Ja Fallon & Sean og de Paor were some of the finest players in their positions in the country even by then.
Without them, 98 would never have happened.
The current senior side doesn't have anything like that kind of quality of established players.
As well as that, while this years u21s have some talented players onboard - the 98 vintage had Donnellan and Joyce - two truly special players. Savo also was a top player - very underrated in his early years on the team.
It really is only now looking back on it that I can truly appreciate how lucky we were to have such a team to follow at the time.
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
A repeat of 98 would be lovely. 3 or 4 young fellas with no fear and the Mayo complex kicking in. It isn't even knockout so they can always go the scenic route. Mayo have loads more experience but they aren't playing Leitrim.
I think Mayo need a higher overall standard in Connacht as well so the best thing would be a tight match.
Meant to mention this earlier. What exactly do you mean by this?
Quote from: moysider on May 08, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 08, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 07, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
I think it will have a huge boost to Galway. That and all our injury ptoblems means I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Mayo lost this one.
Injuries should make it a closer game however last years All Ireland finalist losing a game in Connacht will be a surprise.
A repeat of 98 would be lovely. 3 or 4 young fellas with no fear and the Mayo complex kicking in. It isn't even knockout so they can always go the scenic route. Mayo have loads more experience but they aren't playing Leitrim.
I think Mayo need a higher overall standard in Connacht as well so the best thing would be a tight match.
Meant to mention this earlier. What exactly do you mean by this?
Yeah, good question. Looking forward to the answer!
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
It's the only thing people mean when they mention a Mayo complex. Seafoid wouldn't be so uncouth as to put it as bluntly as that but the gist is the same and unmistakable.
Of course I don't think Mayo are choke artists, just helping clear up a misunderstanding. :D
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:49:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
It's the only thing people mean when they mention a Mayo complex. Seafoid wouldn't be so uncouth as to put it as bluntly as that but the gist is the same and unmistakable.
Of course I don't think Mayo are choke artists, just helping clear up a misunderstanding. :D
No misunderstanding. Seafóid will respond anon.
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2013, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Wouldn t entirely agree but I accept that your opinion would be the popular one. Of the AIs that we could have won (89,96,97 and 12), I believe we could have been better served by more tactical nous and better selection. I dont accept that there was a collective mental collapse by the players.
But I realise that it is a perception that is going to stick with us. The idea that we re a choking, spineless football culture is, I admit, an attractive stereotype for media and fans from other counties.
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2013, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Wouldn t entirely agree but I accept that your opinion would be the popular one. Of the AIs that we could have won (89,96,97 and 12), I believe we could have been better served by more tactical nous and better selection. I dont accept that there was a collective mental collapse by the players.
But I realise that it is a perception that is going to stick with us. The idea that we re a choking, spineless football culture is, I admit, an attractive stereotype for media and fans from other counties.
I think an AI would put a lot of theories to bed . The Galway hurlers have a similar problem and there is more to it than tactics on the day. Some teams lose far more finals than they win. It is very mysterious.
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2013, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2013, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Wouldn t entirely agree but I accept that your opinion would be the popular one. Of the AIs that we could have won (89,96,97 and 12), I believe we could have been better served by more tactical nous and better selection. I dont accept that there was a collective mental collapse by the players.
But I realise that it is a perception that is going to stick with us. The idea that we re a choking, spineless football culture is, I admit, an attractive stereotype for media and fans from other counties.
I think an AI would put a lot of theories to bed . The Galway hurlers have a similar problem and there is more to it than tactics on the day. Some teams lose far more finals than they win. It is very mysterious.
It would. A lot of counties get a lot right in any given year but come up short of the big pot. Mayo have done a lot right a lot of years but unfortunately for us it wasn t good enough. In hindsight we didn t do ourselves any favours a few times in finals but we got a lot right to get there at the same time.
Twould be nice to win one though. But it wouldn t change the past either.
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 09, 2013, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on May 09, 2013, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Wouldn t entirely agree but I accept that your opinion would be the popular one. Of the AIs that we could have won (89,96,97 and 12), I believe we could have been better served by more tactical nous and better selection. I dont accept that there was a collective mental collapse by the players.
But I realise that it is a perception that is going to stick with us. The idea that we re a choking, spineless football culture is, I admit, an attractive stereotype for media and fans from other counties.
I don't see any signs of the choke mentality in the present Mayo side. They kept plugging away to the end in the final last year despite the dream start by Donegal. The sides of 04 and 06 wouldn't have done that.
I also think that the team of 96 lost their nerve with victory in sight in the drawn game. I said here before that a Kerry ex-player said to me as we left the ground after that game that if Micko had been in charge Mayo would not have lost and I agreed with him.
I knew what this hoor meant and it wasn't that Micko or anyone else could have taken Mayo to an AI final that year.
Maughan is still the most successful Manager we have had since 51 and I believe that the 96 side is the best I have seen-to date at any rate.
But they all cracked under pressure, including the manager. If only Maughan had the experience and cuteness of someone like O'Dwyer in the frenetic closing stage, the result might well have been different.
A fine man and he learned his lesson that day but it was too late. He kept his composure in the replay and in the finals of 97 and 04 but that's all history now.
Horan was there in 96 and he knows what happened back then. He was one of the most laid players I have come across and I think he has carried this trait through to his management. This side may well get stuffed sooner or later but they'll fight to the end.
I wouldn't bother my posterior about what others have to say.
The stereotype you speak of may be partly based n fact but its grounded in jealousy.
I mean you can't lose an AI final unless you have managed to get there in the first place and there at least 30 other counties who'd give anything to be in our place when the ref throws the bal in.
f**k the begrudgers! We'll get there sooner or later and that's all that counts.
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Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
Wouldn t entirely agree but I accept that your opinion would be the popular one. Of the AIs that we could have won (89,96,97 and 12), I believe we could have been better served by more tactical nous and better selection. I dont accept that there was a collective mental collapse by the players.
But I realise that it is a perception that is going to stick with us. The idea that we re a choking, spineless football culture is, I admit, an attractive stereotype for media and fans from other counties.
I don't see any signs of the choke mentality in the present Mayo side. They kept plugging away to the end in the final last year despite the dream start by Donegal. The sides of 04 and 06 wouldn't have done that. I also think that the team of 96 lost their nerve with victory in sight in the drawn game. I said here before that a Kerry ex-player said to me as we left the ground after that game that if Micko had been in charge Mayo would not have lost and I agreed with him.
I knew what this hoor meant and it wasn't that Micko or anyone else could have taken Mayo to an AI final that year.
Maughan is still the most successful Manager we have had since 51 and I believe that the 96 side is the best I have seen-to date at any rate.
But they all cracked under pressure, including the manager. If only Maughan had the experience and cuteness of someone like O'Dwyer in the frenetic closing stage, the result might well have been different.
A fine man and he learned his lesson that day but it was too late. He kept his composure in the replay and in the finals of 97 and 04 but that's all history now.
Horan was there in 96 and he knows what happened back then. He was one of the most laid players I have come across and I think he has carried this trait through to his management. This side may well get stuffed sooner or later but they'll fight to the end.
I wouldn't bother my posterior about what others have to say.
The stereotype you speak of may be partly based n fact but its grounded in jealousy.
I mean you can't lose an AI final unless you have managed to get there in the first place and there at least 30 other counties who'd give anything to be in our place when the ref throws the bal in.
f**k the begrudgers! We'll get there sooner or later and that's all that counts.
Couldn t agree with all that Lar. I ve highlighted a few bits.
In 04 and 06 we were up against a much better team in terms of quality and we went toe to toe with them with predictable outcome. I don t believe guts had anything to do with it. If we were more tactically astute we may have been a lot more competitive though.
We were poorly set up in 96, concering the 11 position ( which we again did in '97). When the momentum swung to Meath we did not readjust - Maughan had also left Fallon out of the subs ! Momentum swings during games all the time anyway. I was surrounded by a lot of nervous Down men in 92 final when the momentum swung Meath s way v Down. Very similar but Down hung on. Again I don t think choke had anything to do with. Maughan again should have done better coping with the Maurice Fitz threat in 97, but all this has been digested many times before.
Probably what I m trying to say is that I m not gone on this choking and cracking business. I believe there were more practical reasons for our failures. I can t accept likes of Kenneth Mort. Gary Ruane. Nallen, Cahill, Fallon, Colm Mac, Horan etc were chokers
why do mayo posters think there is a case to defend here .
mayo are going for 3 in a row in connaught and have reached the semi-final and final in the last 2 Championships and leagues .Thaht the kind of record most counties would kill for and we are still on the back foot ?
f**k the begrudgers
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Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
There is no Choke mentality with Mayo in Connacht, that has never been the problem. That's why i feel this is not a factor. If anything Galway's recent Connacht and back door record has shown when the chips are down they do not cut it. They have been living off the 2001 year glory for the last 12 years and have faded out of the championship year in year out with a whimper. The media have not got on their back because they are gone before they get a chance to.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
There is no Choke mentality with Mayo in Connacht, that has never been the problem. That's why i feel this is not a factor. If anything Galway's recent Connacht and back door record has shown when the chips are down they do not cut it. They have been living off the 2001 year glory for the last 12 years and have faded out of the championship year in year out with a whimper. The media have not got on their back because they are gone before they get a chance to.
Wrong. The media never get on Galway's backs because the mediamen can still remember Galway winning an All-Ireland, I think.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
There is no Choke mentality with Mayo in Connacht, that has never been the problem. That's why i feel this is not a factor. If anything Galway's recent Connacht and back door record has shown when the chips are down they do not cut it. They have been living off the 2001 year glory for the last 12 years and have faded out of the championship year in year out with a whimper. The media have not got on their back because they are gone before they get a chance to.
Wrong. The media never get on Galway's backs because the mediamen can still remember Galway winning an All-Ireland, I think.
Well that's the nub of it. Galway can afford to lose half a dozen games by a single point as they have in recent years and avoid the choker tag as the county has won 7 of the last 8 All-Ireland finals it's appeared in at all grades. You win finals and you are given a free pass to f**k away a few games. That's just the way it is.
That said Galway has got some stick for losing those games but because they were in the qualifiers (and generally not televised) it's not nearly as much as it would have been had they been semi-finals or quarter-finals. Unfortunately the only way in any sport to lose a choker tag is to win finals. That shuts it all up in one go.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
There is no Choke mentality with Mayo in Connacht, that has never been the problem. That's why i feel this is not a factor. If anything Galway's recent Connacht and back door record has shown when the chips are down they do not cut it. They have been living off the 2001 year glory for the last 12 years and have faded out of the championship year in year out with a whimper. The media have not got on their back because they are gone before they get a chance to.
Wrong. The media never get on Galway's backs because the mediamen can still remember Galway winning an All-Ireland, I think.
Well that's the nub of it. Galway can afford to lose half a dozen games by a single point as they have in recent years and avoid the choker tag as the county has won 7 of the last 8 All-Ireland finals it's appeared in at all grades. You win finals and you are given a free pass to f**k away a few games. That's just the way it is.
That said Galway has got some stick for losing those games but because they were in the qualifiers (and generally not televised) it's not nearly as much as it would have been had they been semi-finals or quarter-finals. Unfortunately the only way in any sport to lose a choker tag is to win finals. That shuts it all up in one go.
To be honest I think we might have to win back to back or a three in a row to shake of the chokers tag from the media and the casual GAA fan as we have lost too many on the big day in the last 20 yrs for them to forget! I believe Galway were labeled chokers and fancy dans after losing finals in the 70's and 80's ( I think Eugen McGee might have called the Fancy Dans in 98?) until winning those All Ireland's in quick succession and especially the way they dismantled Meath in style in 2001 helped to boost their rep in the football world. Put it this way in this country you have to do an awful lot very quickly to silence the begruders because Irish men and women knock the soft target more often than not instead of addressing their own short comings.
Anyway back to the game and I hear Dillion and Barry Moran will be fit for selection and the news on Regan seems to be that he will be in the shake up too. Keith played midfield for the hurlers against Kildare ( scoring two points) so his hamstring seems to be grand which means we will probably be missing Conroy , Andy and Tom Cunniffe only so that will make things a bit more daunting for the Tribesmen. I haven't heard anything more on Boyle but no news is good news at this stage of the season. We just need to start taking some of the plethora of goal chances we created in the league and we should be hard stopped!
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Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
Uh oh. The Green and (very) Red army is massing at the Gaza Strip.
Let me clear it up for ye - he was using an euphemism to say you're choke artists. Glad to be of service!! 8)
With respect Syferus, I think Seafóid can answer for himself.
Do you think he was euphemistically labelling Mayo 'choke-artists' ? Or is that what you want to think ( maybe you think that is what we are too?) he is saying? Let s see what the man says?
Not doing justice to themselves and not building on the work already done. I think this mayo management has more duthracht but the history of non achievement must be a real mental load. There is always the risk the supporters lose faith. It is some kind of inferiority/defensive thing I think. All the broken dreams. Like people don't dare it could happen or they feel they don't deserve it. When it does happen the county is going to go absolutely mental. If Galway have a decent team they can execute. Mayo need that mindset.
There is no Choke mentality with Mayo in Connacht, that has never been the problem. That's why i feel this is not a factor. If anything Galway's recent Connacht and back door record has shown when the chips are down they do not cut it. They have been living off the 2001 year glory for the last 12 years and have faded out of the championship year in year out with a whimper. The media have not got on their back because they are gone before they get a chance to.
Wrong. The media never get on Galway's backs because the mediamen can still remember Galway winning an All-Ireland, I think.
Well that's the nub of it. Galway can afford to lose half a dozen games by a single point as they have in recent years and avoid the choker tag as the county has won 7 of the last 8 All-Ireland finals it's appeared in at all grades. You win finals and you are given a free pass to f**k away a few games. That's just the way it is.
That said Galway has got some stick for losing those games but because they were in the qualifiers (and generally not televised) it's not nearly as much as it would have been had they been semi-finals or quarter-finals. Unfortunately the only way in any sport to lose a choker tag is to win finals. That shuts it all up in one go.
To be honest I think we might have to win back to back or a three in a row to shake of the chokers tag from the media and the casual GAA fan as we have lost too many on the big day in the last 20 yrs for them to forget! I believe Galway were labeled chokers and fancy dans after losing finals in the 70's and 80's ( I think Eugen McGee might have called the Fancy Dans in 98?) until winning those All Ireland's in quick succession and especially the way they dismantled Meath in style in 2001 helped to boost their rep in the football world. Put it this way in this country you have to do an awful lot very quickly to silence the begruders because Irish men and women knock the soft target more often than not instead of addressing their own short comings.
Certainly 83 must be considered the ultimate choke job. 14 v 12 with a gale behind them and they still conspire to lose it somehow. In fairness they did cop plenty of stick for that. No more than from within their own county but as long as you win a few finals you can afford to lose a few without getting unwarranted stick. Even Kerry have lost plenty of finals.
Yeah Eugene McGee had a fancy dans article about Galway after the drawn Connacht Final in 98. In A Year Till Sunday (the fly on the wall documentary of that season) O'Mahoney produces the article and uses it as a motivational tool.
I don't really believe in this choking rubbish myself. It's like any game - if you're good enough you win - if you're not good enough you don't.
And again like any game luck plays its part.
I don't get all this media thing with Mayo - sure they have lost AI finals (89, 96, 97, 04, 06, 12 if memory serves me) in the last 25 years. But in all honestly in 5 of those finals they lost because they weren't good enough on the day. They simply didn't deserve to win those games.
In 96 I think they should have beaten Meath. They let them back into it and paid the price for that. Again though that can happen in games & I don't believe it is evidence of choking at all. that is just the way sport is.
I have played in county finals myself that I could say "we should have won" but we let our opponents back into the game, didn't take our chances and lost. We didn't "choke" - it's just the way the game panned out.
Similarly Galway lost finals in the 70s and again in 1983. I don't know about the games in the 70s as I was too young but people talk about 83 being a game we should have won.
I have watched it on video and we weren't good enough to win that day - even with the extra players. Simple as.
It wasn't a choke job - simply a case of not being good enough on the day.
I really do get tired of reading the same old cliches about Mayo in the media. It has long since become boring.
Quote from: galwayman on May 09, 2013, 05:34:00 PM
Yeah Eugene McGee had a fancy dans article about Galway after the drawn Connacht Final in 98. In A Year Till Sunday (the fly on the wall documentary of that season) O'Mahoney produces the article and uses it as a motivational tool.
I don't really believe in this choking rubbish myself. It's like any game - if you're good enough you win - if you're not good enough you don't.
And again like any game luck plays its part.
I don't get all this media thing with Mayo - sure they have lost AI finals (89, 96, 97, 04, 06, 12 if memory serves me) in the last 25 years. But in all honestly in 5 of those finals they lost because they weren't good enough on the day. They simply didn't deserve to win those games.
In 96 I think they should have beaten Meath. They let them back into it and paid the price for that. Again though that can happen in games & I don't believe it is evidence of choking at all. that is just the way sport is.
I have played in county finals myself that I could say "we should have won" but we let our opponents back into the game, didn't take our chances and lost. We didn't "choke" - it's just the way the game panned out.
Similarly Galway lost finals in the 70s and again in 1983. I don't know about the games in the 70s as I was too young but people talk about 83 being a game we should have won.
I have watched it on video and we weren't good enough to win that day - even with the extra players. Simple as.
It wasn't a choke job - simply a case of not being good enough on the day.
I really do get tired of reading the same old cliches about Mayo in the media. It has long since become boring.
Since 1989 Mayo have shown great consistency they have produced numerous wins in Croke park including a number of wins against the defending AI champions. I don't get the choke tag either? it's true of the 6 AI finals only 1996 could you say Mayo should have won in the others they were simply beaten by the better sides.
Anyway the moral is this is Connacht football and the choker tag has no bearing here! You can go back to talking about it if Mayo get to the knockout stages. For now there is a Connacht Championship title up for grabs!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 09, 2013, 06:49:39 PM
Anyway the moral is this is Connacht football and the choker tag has no bearing here! You can go back to talking about it if Mayo get to the knockout stages. For now there is a Connacht Championship title up for grabs!
Exactly. You can only live in the present and make plans for the future. The past and what might have been might help to while away long winter evenings but right now the focus should be on Salthill. Can't see Mayo choking here. (BTW, I can't see Galway doing ditto either.)
We should know the teams in a week or so.
Mayo should be something similar to the team that started games at the end of the league. I d expect Dillon and Barry Moran will be held in reserve and introduced for final 20. He ll probably start with big Aidan on the 40 as well. Hopefully Boyle will be fit.
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
Hopefully Mayo don't end up in the gutter on the 19th.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
Not sure what s going on there? But I believe there were 3 sets of traffic lights between Ballindine and Claregalway last week. Through Headford would be a better option normal days but maybe not that day.
Anyway, the ould traffic mightn t be too bad! Between one thing and another I ve yet to meet anybody that actually is convinced about going to this gig. Even people with season tickets and all. The location and the traffic shite is a contributing factor, no doubt about that.
Not sure what the story with roadworks on N17 is Far.
Traffic in the city is a disaster any time Galway play Mayo in the championship.
I live in the city and it took me 90 minutes to drive out to Pearse the day we played Westmeath in the qualifiers on a Saturday evening some years back.
Also the day of the 2009 game our football board re-fixed one of my clubs championship games for the morning of the game.Afterwards we had to go back into the city through Claregalway. Disaster!
If I were you I'd avoid the N17 altogether. Head up to Galway via Headford instead. It will be busy that way too but I reckon it will move better than the Tuam Road. Or else take a slight detour a few miles the Tuam side of Claregalway. That should bring you through Carnmore instead, past Galway airport & into the city via Briarhill.
One way or another leave in plenty of time or you'll be sitting in traffic for a LONG time. Luckily I'm now living within a 20-30 minute walk of the stadium now so won't have that issue.
You are nearly as well off to park the car in town and walk out to the stadium from there
Come to think of it I do remember going to a Galway-Mayo game in Pearse (the one before 2009 I think) through Headford (am a Headford man myself) and traffic was backed up past Ballindooley castle on the way in so it might be as bad this way as well.
I'd have a look on Google maps & plan a route on smaller roads across country to avoid the worst of the traffic.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
Thought all ye lads lived and worked in Galway?
Oh well. The only things that will be 'choked' will be the roads in this instance :P
I dread the year we have to play a senior Connacht final at Pearse. Paddy Joe will have to bulldoze those stupid walled roads in Salthill with the Rosmobile.
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 11:49:12 PM
I dread the year we have to play a senior Connacht final at Pearse. Paddy Joe will have to bulldoze those stupid walled roads in Salthill with the Rosmobile.
Ya won't have to worry yer little headeen about playin a senior Connacht Final ANYWHERE ;)
Another option would be to go via Westport and instead of heading the usual way via Ballinrobe go onto the N59 and into the city via Oughterard & Moycullen. This is obviously a longer route as the crow flies.
The advantage of this route is that you will be arriving into the west side of the city (which is where the pitch is) as opposed to the other routes where you arrive on the East side and have to get across the city.
It will probably start to slow down a bit approaching the city after Moycullen. My advise (if traffic is slow) would be when you come to Keleghans pub in Bushypark on the outskirts of the city, take the very next right turn. It is an un-signposted narrow-ish road up a hill that will take you straight into Knocknacarra (well you have to take one left turn but straight apart from that).
You could park in Knocknacarra somewhere and walk from there or keep driving to get as close to Pearse as you can.
I used to live in an estate in Knocknacarra and used to take this shortcut to work every morning. Very few cars seemed to use it.
Anyway as ye said in a previous post - I doubt there will be any crowd records broken on 19th :-)
Quote from: galwayman on May 09, 2013, 11:35:30 PM
Not sure what the story with roadworks on N17 is Far.
Traffic in the city is a disaster any time Galway play Mayo in the championship.
I live in the city and it took me 90 minutes to drive out to Pearse the day we played Westmeath in the qualifiers on a Saturday evening some years back.
Also the day of the 2009 game our football board re-fixed one of my clubs championship games for the morning of the game.Afterwards we had to go back into the city through Claregalway. Disaster!
If I were you I'd avoid the N17 altogether. Head up to Galway via Headford instead. It will be busy that way too but I reckon it will move better than the Tuam Road. Or else take a slight detour a few miles the Tuam side of Claregalway. That should bring you through Carnmore instead, past Galway airport & into the city via Briarhill.One way or another leave in plenty of time or you'll be sitting in traffic for a LONG time. Luckily I'm now living within a 20-30 minute walk of the stadium now so won't have that issue.
You are nearly as well off to park the car in town and walk out to the stadium from there
Yeah. I ve done that a few times. It s the Roscommon road you take I think. Hurling country. Heading to Turloughmore through Lackagh (Flynns pub/stores). That ll get ye by Claregalway and in by the airport but when you reach the city there s another level of stress again. If ye can get to lower Salthill, head up through Shantalla and park in a housing estate like Highfield Park and walk through the ratruns to the pitch - about 10/15 mins. But this venue is a serious deterrant to a lot of people attending matches. It s a f**king joke tbh. The only 'home' championship match v Galway that I ve ever missed was the one in Salthill that coincided with an airshow. Like how can that happen?
My first match attended in Salthill was in 78 - Mayo were not even playing. Parked in a bloody field. We got home in a different time zone. Ridiculous venue.
Quote from: moysider on May 10, 2013, 12:18:09 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 09, 2013, 11:35:30 PM
Not sure what the story with roadworks on N17 is Far.
Traffic in the city is a disaster any time Galway play Mayo in the championship.
I live in the city and it took me 90 minutes to drive out to Pearse the day we played Westmeath in the qualifiers on a Saturday evening some years back.
Also the day of the 2009 game our football board re-fixed one of my clubs championship games for the morning of the game.Afterwards we had to go back into the city through Claregalway. Disaster!
If I were you I'd avoid the N17 altogether. Head up to Galway via Headford instead. It will be busy that way too but I reckon it will move better than the Tuam Road. Or else take a slight detour a few miles the Tuam side of Claregalway. That should bring you through Carnmore instead, past Galway airport & into the city via Briarhill.One way or another leave in plenty of time or you'll be sitting in traffic for a LONG time. Luckily I'm now living within a 20-30 minute walk of the stadium now so won't have that issue.
You are nearly as well off to park the car in town and walk out to the stadium from there
Yeah. I ve done that a few times. It s the Roscommon road you take I think. Hurling country. Heading to Turloughmore through Lackagh (Flynns pub/stores). That ll get ye by Claregalway and in by the airport but when you reach the city there s another level of stress again. If ye can get to lower Salthill, head up through Shantalla and park in a housing estate like Highfield Park and walk through the ratruns to the pitch - about 10/15 mins. But this venue is a serious deterrant to a lot of people attending matches. It s a f**king joke tbh. The only 'home' championship match v Galway that I ve ever missed was the one in Salthill that coincided with an airshow. Like how can that happen?
My first match attended in Salthill was in 78 - Mayo were not even playing. Parked in a bloody field. We got home in a different time zone. Ridiculous venue.
Tell us about it. They could have made a bomb selling Pearse for property and building a new stadium on a green field site on the east of the city where you could get on a motorway in minutes.
Quote from: sans pessimism on May 10, 2013, 12:02:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2013, 11:49:12 PM
I dread the year we have to play a senior Connacht final at Pearse. Paddy Joe will have to bulldoze those stupid walled roads in Salthill with the Rosmobile.
Ya won't have to worry yer little headeen about playin a senior Connacht Final ANYWHERE ;)
The best thing about this year will be that we get to beat ye (pending Maroon) and then come back to Castlebar for a re-run of 2010.
Lock yer doors, lads. We're coming.
Quote from: galwayman on May 10, 2013, 12:08:00 AM
Another option would be to go via Westport and instead of heading the usual way via Ballinrobe go onto the N59 and into the city via Oughterard & Moycullen. This is obviously a longer route as the crow flies.
The advantage of this route is that you will be arriving into the west side of the city (which is where the pitch is) as opposed to the other routes where you arrive on the East side and have to get across the city.
It will probably start to slow down a bit approaching the city after Moycullen. My advise (if traffic is slow) would be when you come to Keleghans pub in Bushypark on the outskirts of the city, take the very next right turn. It is an un-signposted narrow-ish road up a hill that will take you straight into Knocknacarra (well you have to take one left turn but straight apart from that).
You could park in Knocknacarra somewhere and walk from there or keep driving to get as close to Pearse as you can.
I used to live in an estate in Knocknacarra and used to take this shortcut to work every morning. Very few cars seemed to use it.
Anyway as ye said in a previous post - I doubt there will be any crowd records broken on 19th :-)
From around N/E Mayo, heading via Westport is like heading via Athlone! Ok, only having a laugh, but it is a chore. Another option - which many people will take - is to sit on their holes and watch it on tv. It s not like anybody will miss out on a great occasion or anything. This is not the attraction it used to be - why that is so is another discussion - but the grá/fear/dread these games used to generate, is well gone. We wont see 95 - 99 again. That s gone and it was great.
Galway fans don t like Salthill and dont travel unless they are sure they will win. Mayo support could be modest enough too. Opposite of 'snowball effect'. If one person/family decide not to bother, five others dont bother either.
Yeah the back door has taken the edge off the Galway-Mayo games imo.
Even the Connacht finals between us are not what they were.
I can see why people wouldn't bother travelling to Pearse. It can be a nightmare.
Can see a lot of people watching it in the pub with a few pints instead!
Try this way. Bus to Knock, flight to Waterford, flight to Southend, up to Heathrow, flight back to Galway and bus to Salthill. Mayo like to travel in style.
From past experiance travelling to Pearce (bus from the local) we used to make it up and down to Croker quicker! ;D We plan on leaving good and early, then after the match head into town, have the grub, rake of pints then back home before closing :)
Newstalk interview with Andy here, he seems like he's raring to go in terms of full training, whether he'll be in the reckoning for Sunday week is still very uncertain.
https://www.newstalk.ie/Andy-Moran:-Reaching-the-end-of-the-long-road-back
Regards Dillon, Barry Moran, Higgins, Boyle and Regan, any updates/news/rumours as to their fitness??? Coud we see any bolters like Conor O'Shea, etc pushing for a start??
Regarding Conor O'Shea, I'm surprised Horan didn't use him at some stage during the league. I wasn't at the u-21 game so I can't really comment on what happened that day. That was his only competitive outing in the Mayo jersey this year IIRC.
Quote from: bucko on May 10, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Newstalk interview with Andy here, he seems like he's raring to go in terms of full training, whether he'll be in the reckoning for Sunday week is still very uncertain.
https://www.newstalk.ie/Andy-Moran:-Reaching-the-end-of-the-long-road-back
Regards Dillon, Barry Moran, Higgins, Boyle and Regan, any updates/news/rumours as to their fitness??? Coud we see any bolters like Conor O'Shea, etc pushing for a start??
I think you're great Andy, but..
(https://www.newstalk.ie/content/000/images/000007/7081_54_news_hub_6800_328x250.jpg)
..did Newstalk disturb you while you were dumping a dead body?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 05:34:37 PM
Regarding Conor O'Shea, I'm surprised Horan didn't use him at some stage during the league. I wasn't at the u-21 game so I can't really comment on what happened that day. That was his only competitive outing in the Mayo jersey this year IIRC.
I was at u21 game and I thought he was very sluggish,and his
handling skills are not up to senior level
Quote from: sans pessimism on May 10, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 05:34:37 PM
Regarding Conor O'Shea, I'm surprised Horan didn't use him at some stage during the league. I wasn't at the u-21 game so I can't really comment on what happened that day. That was his only competitive outing in the Mayo jersey this year IIRC.
I was at u21 game and I thought he was very sluggish,and his
handling skills are not up to senior level
He played about 15 minutes against fermanagh recently and he most certainly did not look sluggish. Didnt seem to have any problem with handling either. It made me also wonder why he didnt get more league football this year. Darren Coen looked handy enough too
Quote from: criostlinn on May 10, 2013, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on May 10, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 05:34:37 PM
Regarding Conor O'Shea, I'm surprised Horan didn't use him at some stage during the league. I wasn't at the u-21 game so I can't really comment on what happened that day. That was his only competitive outing in the Mayo jersey this year IIRC.
I was at u21 game and I thought he was very sluggish,and his
handling skills are not up to senior level
He played about 15 minutes against fermanagh recently and he most certainly did not look sluggish. Didnt seem to have any problem with handling either. It made me also wonder why he didnt get more league football this year. Darren Coen looked handy enough too
good to hear that,hope he keeps it up,because in Tuam he couldn't catch a cold
Ye lads are rough on your younglings :o
No wonder there's so much talk of 'complexes.. ;)
Quote from: Syferus on May 10, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Ye lads are rough on your younglings :o
No wonder there's so much talk of 'complexes.. ;)
take yer 'complex' mind elsewhere good boy
Quote from: Syferus on May 10, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Ye lads are rough on your younglings :o
No wonder there's so much talk of 'complexes.. ;)
Syfeen, will ya ignore these 2 sets of hoors. Like the you know whos they'll join forces to attack you.
I know you are only a silly gasúinín but - Remember we are Ros and we have standards to keep ;)
Quote from: Syferus on May 10, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Ye lads are rough on your younglings :o
No wonder there's so much talk of 'complexes.. ;)
Anyone looking to take in a stray?
Quote from: Syferus on May 10, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: bucko on May 10, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Newstalk interview with Andy here, he seems like he's raring to go in terms of full training, whether he'll be in the reckoning for Sunday week is still very uncertain.
https://www.newstalk.ie/Andy-Moran:-Reaching-the-end-of-the-long-road-back
Regards Dillon, Barry Moran, Higgins, Boyle and Regan, any updates/news/rumours as to their fitness??? Coud we see any bolters like Conor O'Shea, etc pushing for a start??
I think you're great Andy, but..
(https://www.newstalk.ie/content/000/images/000007/7081_54_news_hub_6800_328x250.jpg)
..did Newstalk disturb you while you were dumping a dead body?
I hope he wasn't cutting turf.
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Quote from: Syferus on May 10, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: bucko on May 10, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Newstalk interview with Andy here, he seems like he's raring to go in terms of full training, whether he'll be in the reckoning for Sunday week is still very uncertain.
https://www.newstalk.ie/Andy-Moran:-Reaching-the-end-of-the-long-road-back
Regards Dillon, Barry Moran, Higgins, Boyle and Regan, any updates/news/rumours as to their fitness??? Coud we see any bolters like Conor O'Shea, etc pushing for a start??
I think you're great Andy, but..
(https://www.newstalk.ie/content/000/images/000007/7081_54_news_hub_6800_328x250.jpg)
..did Newstalk disturb you while you were dumping a dead body?
Retrieving one of his balls from shooting practice in Croker.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 10, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Ah Mayo Mick, our own version of Syferus.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 10, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Ah Mayo Mick, our own version of Syferus.
Is Mayo Mick going soft.. since when did he start using hopefully when posting about Mayo :o
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 10, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Ah Mayo Mick, our own version of Syferus.
I'll have you know I'm far more confident than some Mayo wasteral.
I didn't even think that needed typing, it's like saying you're taller than the biggest midget..
Look I think most Mayo supporters know that our c'ship starts in August this year and that anything before that is some routine housekeeping that must be attended to. Can't see us losing to Galway but I don't want to seem too cocky.
As regards posters from Ros the only thing they can be certain of is that they will never see their team in Croker on AI day. They can plan holidays in September without any problem.
Quote from: ross4life on May 10, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 10, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Ah Mayo Mick, our own version of Syferus.
Is Mayo Mick going soft.. since when did he start using hopefully when posting about Mayo :o
That is the most reticent post by Mayo Mick of all time.
Maybe we re in worse shape than I thought?
Only messin Mick.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
Look I think most Mayo supporters know that our c'ship starts in August this year and that anything before that is some routine housekeeping that must be attended to. Can't see us losing to Galway but I don't want to seem too cocky.
Thats more like it Mick trust me you will never be seen as cocky.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
As regards posters from Ros the only thing they can be certain of is that they will never see their team in Croker on AI day. They can plan holidays in September without any problem.
We seen our minors in Croker on AI day in 2006 then had to watch Kerry win another senior AI. Our seniors are still another 5 years off Mayos wait 1951-1989.
Quote from: ross4life on May 11, 2013, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
Look I think most Mayo supporters know that our c'ship starts in August this year and that anything before that is some routine housekeeping that must be attended to. Can't see us losing to Galway but I don't want to seem too cocky.
Thats more like it Mick trust me you will never be seen as cocky.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
As regards posters from Ros the only thing they can be certain of is that they will never see their team in Croker on AI day. They can plan holidays in September without any problem.
We seen our minors in Croker on AI day in 2006 then had to watch Kerry win another senior AI. Our seniors are still another 5 years off Mayos wait 1951-1989.
I was there. I saw your minors win that day. I saw Kerry win another senior AI.
Quote from: moysider on May 11, 2013, 01:31:04 AM
Quote from: ross4life on May 11, 2013, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
Look I think most Mayo supporters know that our c'ship starts in August this year and that anything before that is some routine housekeeping that must be attended to. Can't see us losing to Galway but I don't want to seem too cocky.
Thats more like it Mick trust me you will never be seen as cocky.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
As regards posters from Ros the only thing they can be certain of is that they will never see their team in Croker on AI day. They can plan holidays in September without any problem.
We seen our minors in Croker on AI day in 2006 then had to watch Kerry win another senior AI. Our seniors are still another 5 years off Mayos wait 1951-1989.
I was there. I saw your minors win that day. I saw Kerry win another senior AI.
Thats strange the rest of us saw a draw.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 11, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
Look I think most Mayo supporters know that our c'ship starts in August this year and that anything before that is some routine housekeeping that must be attended to. Can't see us losing to Galway but I don't want to seem too cocky.
I think you've lost that battle buddy.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 10, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 10, 2013, 10:40:19 PM
Better get back to the game after working out how to get there.
Only a little over a week to go and still hard to get excited. With the advent of the back door and the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry. That said this is a game we just have to win and it could be tricky enough. Win and we can gear preparations to August with the bonus of two games in Connacht that will give us time to fine tune things, get players back to fitness and maybe give a few players some game time experience. Lose and we have the uncertainty of the back door and not knowing who we play until a week before – hard to get the preparations right and hard to pitch the preparations for September.
We are a better team than Galway – we are on most people's short lists for the AI while Galway might not even come out of Connacht if they beat us. Yet if we don't put outfield dominance on the scoreboard there is always the chance that Galway with limited chances could punish us especially in Salthill. Vital that we keep it tight early on – a quick start from Galway is what I would fear most. Keep it low scoring for the first 20 minutes and I think we will come through easily enough as we are stronger, pacier and more experienced regardless of what team we play. But let Galway get an early lead then their confidence will grow and it could be a struggle.
Hopefully we will come through and avoid any more injuries. We can then relax until the business end of things in August and September. Will be nice to have a stress free June and July for a change.
Ah Mayo Mick, our own version of Syferus.
Probably the same person. Must be from Ballagh.
Does anyone know what is the injury situation for Mayo? Who will be available and who will not? I believe Conroy is out, Dillion is unlikely, A Moran only starting full contact training, so unlikely. Will B Moran & Higgins be back?
Mayo will need to demonstrate better scoring ability and maintain there ability to create goal chances. I know Michael Meehan is just back, but a player of his quality will cause Mayo lots of problems. I also really hope it's a fine day, as Meehan is astounding in the wet. His handling on a wet ball is next to none (Remember Galway V Kerry in '08, in the end Kerry just about gave up marking him ;)).
Mayo defect to Dublin in league semi-final showed up some weak points; one of those being when players marked man to man and they ran at us from the wings (Higgins was really missed). I see Galway adopting a similar tactic. This is going to be tight game (for the most part), Galway are far better than their form is showing. That said, I've high hopes for Mayo, and I like to see them being pushed hard and being able to handle the Galway challenge. I also hope we do not have more questions than answers come Sunday evening!!!
You have to love Mayo Mick..... ''the increasing gulf between ourselves and the rest, games in Connacht for us are beginning to feel like games in Munster for Kerry''. Has he been at any of the games in Connacht over the last two years? There was little or nothing between ourselves and Sligo last year. Jez, we got a dodgy point to make the game sorta safe. And Barry Moran had to take a Red to stop Sligo getting in on goal in the last couple of minutes. The Year before - 2011 we beat Roscommon by two points in the Connacht final, That year we needed extra time to beat London! Look we have a decent bunch, but get off your high horse, cause the fall at the first fence could hurt your ego!
QuoteI know Michael Meehan is just back, but a player of his quality will cause Mayo lots of problems.
I wish it wasn't so but Mikey is not the player he was. I don't think we will see too much more of him in the maroon and white unfortunately.
QuoteI know Michael Meehan is just back, but a player of his quality will cause Mayo lots of problems.
QuoteI wish it wasn't so but Mikey is not the player he was. I don't think we will see too much more of him in the maroon and white unfortunately.
From a Mayo perspective I hope not to see too much of him this Sunday lol. Still though, he needs watching, and disrupt the ball that comes into him.
Quote from: AMayoFan on May 13, 2013, 01:01:13 PM
QuoteI know Michael Meehan is just back, but a player of his quality will cause Mayo lots of problems.
QuoteI wish it wasn't so but Mikey is not the player he was. I don't think we will see too much more of him in the maroon and white unfortunately.
From a Mayo perspective I hope not to see too much of him this Sunday lol. Still though, he needs watching, and disrupt the ball that comes into him.
Not that worried about Michael Meehan. It's been years since the Kerry game and god the lad has been in constant recovery, rehab year in year out since. You'd have to feel for the lad. Especially the expectation on him, which probably over the years forced him to return early from injury not fully recovered and have not helped the chronic injury problems that have blighted him.
Even if his legs aren't what they were he has a football brain second to none. Exactly the sort of player that'll pop up with the crucial scores on a big day.
Even the most optimistic of Galway supporter does not hold much hope that the current crop of footballers can deliver thier first All-Ireland since 2001.
The expectation levels of footballing supporters have dropped dramatically over the past few years with early championship exits now becoming the norm. The All-Ireland successes of 1998 and 2001 are now a distant memory and even trips to Croke Park are becoming a thing of the past.
Galway's inability to win outside of Connacht has been the biggest hindrance to the development of this young team as backdoor exits at the hands of Antrim and Wexford, the past two years have caused discontent among followers. It is now ten years since Galway last won a game outside of Connacht and an even more harrowing statistic is that the last Galway team to win in Croker was the All-Ireland winners of 2001.
Unfortunately for Galway this year's Connacht Championship draw has done them no favours as they face arch rivals Mayo in the first round. While playing in Pearse Stadium is a huge advantage it is probably the only reason this game will be close. They are 4/1 with Boylesports.com to win the Connacht title.
Unlike years gone by when Galway-Mayo Connacht derbies were fiercely contested games the teams have since gone in two different directions. Galway are currently in a period of transition which started last year with the appointment of Alan Mulholland as senior boss.
Mulholland was given a three year deal and the general consensus around Galway is that he will be given the full three years to try and develop the county's youth into a top inter county side. Mulholland has promoted many of his U21 All-Ireland winning team of 2011 to the senior set up and some have established themselves as regular starters.
The likes of Manus Breathnach, Mark Hehir, Colin Forde and Johny Duane have started most championship games in the past two years and are all beginning to mature and prosper at this level but all still have much to prove. Mulholland will also most likely hand championship starts to current U21s Fiontain O'Curraoin and Tommy Flynn who are midfield partners on this year's U21 team who have just reached the All Ireland final.
Galway's progress under Mulholland will be severely tested by a Mayo side who are progressing nicely and will no doubt be in contention yet again at the business end of the championship. In recent years Mayo have performed above the expectations of many pundits and have far outshone Galway on the national stage. All Ireland semi-finalists in 2011, they then followed that up by reaching the All-Ireland final last year when they were far from disgraced by an exceptional Donegal team. Under James Horan Mayo are a formidable outfit and will not fear a first round trip to Galway in the slightest.
While Galway are in the process of developing the potential of their young stars much of the hopes for the season ahead lie with Michael Meehan. Meehan is without doubt one of the most talented footballers in the country and when fit can torment any defence and be a real match winner for Galway. He can be the man they look towards to carry them through tight games and maybe lead them an extended run in the backdoor. With Padraic Joyce retiring there is even more pressure on Meehan's shoulders but leading this young team is something he will cherish.
Galway's league campaign was average at best finishing fifth in division B which was a bit disappointing after last year's promising third place. The league however is only a stepping stone and all will be judged on championship results. Realistically Mayo will beat Galway in the first round of the Connacht championship and Galway will be put into the backdoor, a place which has not treated them well in recent years. If they are to have a decent campaign they will have to first overcome the awful statistic of not having won a game outside of Connacht in ten years. The resolve and metal of this young side will be tested is the gruelling backdoor but a couple of easy draws and they could build momentum.
Playing at home I feel is key to Galway's chances as in recent years Galway have lost on the road to Antrim, Wexford and Donegal, a much weaker Donegal team than they are today. For whatever reason Galway have been unable to grind out results away from home in the backdoor, and it is something that has to change if they are to be successful this time around.
Galway have unquestionable natural ability and young players with huge potential however I believe that they are still a year or even two away from reaching the level Mayo are at and it may be three years before we see Galway involved in the latter stages of the all-Ireland series. For the coming year two or three victories in the backdoor would be progress and something to build on, any more than that and they're in bonus territory.
As appeared on http://sportsnewsireland.com/gaa/galway-footballers-prospects-in-2013-2013-04-22/
The above article is another prime example of why Galway may be 'lying in the long grass' and come out all guns blazing on Sunday. I can't see Galway go down without a fight.
Regarding the 'ongoing injury crisis' Mayo currently have, Barry Moran will definitely not have any part in the game.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
The above article is another prime example of why Galway may be 'lying in the long grass' and come out all guns blazing on Sunday. I can't see Galway go down without a fight.
Regarding the 'ongoing injury crisis' Mayo currently have, Barry Moran will definitely not have any part in the game.
That article isn't going to have any bearing on Sunday's match.
Wherein you hear that about Barry Moran - that's something that could have a bearing.
Well-written article but anyone that knows Galway football will know that Meehan's powers have seriously diminished and that he's simply physically incapable of giving the type of leadership referred to. Incidentally, Galway lost to Meath on the road 2 years ago, to Wexford at home the year previously.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 13, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
The above article is another prime example of why Galway may be 'lying in the long grass' and come out all guns blazing on Sunday. I can't see Galway go down without a fight.
Regarding the 'ongoing injury crisis' Mayo currently have, Barry Moran will definitely not have any part in the game.
That article isn't going to have any bearing on Sunday's match.
Wherein you hear that about Barry Moran - that's something that could have a bearing.
Source close to the panel.
All this talk of Galway not having won a game outside of connacht in 10 years (think it's 9 - Louth 2004). And not having won in Croker since 2001. That's all well and good but it has nothing to do with the Connacht Championship! They still could beat Mayo, that's the beauty of the Connacht Championship. Galway will not look at Mayo the same way the media do.
QuoteThat's all well and good but it has nothing to do with the Connacht Championship! They still could beat Mayo, that's the beauty of the Connacht Championship. Galway will not look at Mayo the same way the media do.
I couldn't agree more with #From the Bunker'
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
I was up and down the N17 at that weekend and there were no roadworks or other traffic problems (at least not between Milltown and Galway City).
The real traffic problem on the day with be crossing the city.
Quote from: western exile on May 14, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
I was up and down the N17 at that weekend and there were no roadworks or other traffic problems (at least not between Milltown and Galway City).
The real traffic problem on the day with be crossing the city.
Temporary traffic lights between Ballindine and Milltown.
Quote from: spuds on May 14, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: western exile on May 14, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
I was up and down the N17 at that weekend and there were no roadworks or other traffic problems (at least not between Milltown and Galway City).
The real traffic problem on the day with be crossing the city.
Temporary traffic lights between Ballindine and Milltown.
Border checkpoint.
More to keep them in than us out.
Quote from: muppet on May 14, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
Quote from: spuds on May 14, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: western exile on May 14, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2013, 11:21:18 PM
What are the roadworks like on the N17 these days? Is there some sewage works going on? We'll have to leave earlier in the morning if that's the case.
I was up and down the N17 at that weekend and there were no roadworks or other traffic problems (at least not between Milltown and Galway City).
The real traffic problem on the day with be crossing the city.
Temporary traffic lights between Ballindine and Milltown.
Border checkpoint.
More to keep them in than us out.
Galway city must be at least 30% Mayo diaspora. It is probably the biggest Mayo conurbation in Connacht. So it will mostly be the rural Mayo crowd coming in via Milltown .
Martin Carney's (fairly brief) thoughts.
QuotePotency in attack an issue for Mayo
Beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo travel to Salthill on Sunday in the knowledge that some of their better performers are unavailable due to injury.
Mickey Conroy's absence is a big blow and coupled with the likely unavailability of Jason Doherty this robs the team of their best finishers.
Two goals scored (one by corner-back Keith Higgins) since the All-Ireland quarter-final is a worry, as is the absence of a genuine match-winner in the attack.
The team will be well prepared, ambitious and won't lack belief. Midfield can provide a winning platform and provided the defence is disciplined they are good enough to overcome this hurdle.
Mayo's odds of 11/1 for Sam contrast sharply with the 33/1 odds being offered on Galway.
Very soon Galway are going to awaken from the slump in which they find themselves, but as of now Green and Red have the upper hand.
It's funny how marked the difference is between winning and losing an AIF.
If Mayo had won they would be unbackable on Sunday. The players would be immortal.
Now they are kind of flaky.
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 14, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
Martin Carney's (fairly brief) thoughts.
QuotePotency in attack an issue for Mayo
Beaten All-Ireland finalists Mayo travel to Salthill on Sunday in the knowledge that some of their better performers are unavailable due to injury.
Mickey Conroy's absence is a big blow and coupled with the likely unavailability of Jason Doherty this robs the team of their best finishers.
Two goals scored (one by corner-back Keith Higgins) since the All-Ireland quarter-final is a worry, as is the absence of a genuine match-winner in the attack.
The team will be well prepared, ambitious and won't lack belief. Midfield can provide a winning platform and provided the defence is disciplined they are good enough to overcome this hurdle.
Mayo's odds of 11/1 for Sam contrast sharply with the 33/1 odds being offered on Galway.
Very soon Galway are going to awaken from the slump in which they find themselves, but as of now Green and Red have the upper hand.
Decent hard working players & Conroy is probably Mayos best ball winner in the forward line but their best finishers? Jason Doherty is like Sean Armstrong with Galway both for one reason or another haven't been able to show their best at senior championship level.
Doherty is still living off the goals he scored in last year's league, or was it 2011??
Galway team has been named...
1 Manus Breathnach
2 Johnny Duane
3 Colin Forde
4 Gary Sweeney
5 Gareth Bradshaw (Captain)
6 Keith Kelly
7 Gary Sice
8 Niall Coleman
9 Fiontan O'Curraoin
10 Thomas Flynn
11 Paul Conroy
12 Conor Doherty
13 Sean Armstrong
14 Michael Meehan
15 Danny Cummins
It's pretty much along expected lines. I can only assume that Hanley's recent injury is the reason he has not been picked to start.
Reading through the team again here & I just really can't make a case for a Galway win.
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
It's funny how marked the difference is between winning and losing an AIF.
If Mayo had won they would be unbackable on Sunday. The players would be immortal.
Now they are kind of flaky.
Actually, Mayo winning or losing last years AI has nothing to do with the odds on Sunday. Most bookies are looking at Galway more than Mayo in this fixture. The confusion is that Galway seriously under performed in the Championship last year and the year before. Their form has been flaky. Under age success and tradition has confused the issue for the bookies. Really they don't know what sort of a team will turn up on Sunday. Sure we all don't!
Quote from: shaund10 on May 14, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Of all teams in the country that should be wary about their prospects after two U21 AIs it's Galway. Carney is just feeding into the cliched perception that a team that was once good will always naturally return, as it it's somehow anointed by God. Galway have been in this 'slumber' for more than a decade and for at least the last five years their record is atrocious. That isn't under-performance, it's near-terminal decline. If they weren't wearing maroon jerseys the media would be rubbishing them at every chance they got, be it right or wrong.
Perception is king in the GAA media.
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: shaund10 on May 14, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Of all teams in the country that should be wary about their prospects after two U21 AIs it's Galway. Carney is just feeding into the cliched perception that a team that was once good will always naturally return, as it it's somehow anointed by God. Galway have been in this 'slumber' for more than a decade and for at least the last five years their record is atrocious. That isn't under-performance, it's near-terminal decline. If they weren't wearing maroon jerseys the media would be rubbishing them at every chance they got, be it right or wrong.
Perception is king in the GAA media.
Galway haven't been in a slumber for over a decade. You seem to be letting perception get the better of you there yourself. All Ireland winning teams are rare for everyone bar Kerry, so competing and winning provincial championships should be fine for everyone else while they wait for that rare talent of an All Ireland team to come along. Galway won 4 connacht championships from 2002-2008. So in truth, they'be been in slumber for 4 years so far (09-12) . That's hardly horrific, and they were playing division 1 football for a portion of that. Every county goes through down times. But give me a county of the size and tradition Galway has that has fallen away completely? It has never happened, so it's natural to assume that Galway will be good again one day. And while u-21 success is no guarantee of senior success, it hardly hurts to have the best crop of youngster in the country does it?
Quote from: galwayman on May 14, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Galway team has been named...
1 Manus Breathnach
2 Johnny Duane
3 Colin Forde
4 Gary Sweeney
5 Gareth Bradshaw (Captain)
6 Keith Kelly
7 Gary Sice
8 Niall Coleman
9 Fiontan O'Curraoin
10 Thomas Flynn
11 Paul Conroy
12 Conor Doherty
13 Sean Armstrong
14 Michael Meehan
15 Danny Cummins
Interesting 8 of 2011 AI U-21 team starting this game.
Quote from: shaund10 on May 15, 2013, 12:00:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: shaund10 on May 14, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Of all teams in the country that should be wary about their prospects after two U21 AIs it's Galway. Carney is just feeding into the cliched perception that a team that was once good will always naturally return, as it it's somehow anointed by God. Galway have been in this 'slumber' for more than a decade and for at least the last five years their record is atrocious. That isn't under-performance, it's near-terminal decline. If they weren't wearing maroon jerseys the media would be rubbishing them at every chance they got, be it right or wrong.
Perception is king in the GAA media.
Galway haven't been in a slumber for over a decade. You seem to be letting perception get the better of you there yourself. All Ireland winning teams are rare for everyone bar Kerry, so competing and winning provincial championships should be fine for everyone else while they wait for that rare talent of an All Ireland team to come along. Galway won 4 connacht championships from 2002-2008. So in truth, they'be been in slumber for 4 years so far (09-12) . That's hardly horrific, and they were playing division 1 football for a portion of that. Every county goes through down times. But give me a county of the size and tradition Galway has that has fallen away completely? It has never happened, so it's natural to assume that Galway will be good again one day. And while u-21 success is no guarantee of senior success, it hardly hurts to have the best crop of youngster in the country does it?
If Galway have not been out of it since 2001. Tell me the last big team they have beat in the Championship. Tell me the last team they have beat outside of Connacht in the Championship. How many games have they won in Croke Park? How many appearances in have they made in Croke Park. They still talk about the game v Kerry that Galway lost by 5 points as if some sort of achievement. You mentioned the League, how many times did Galway reach the knock-out stages? Forget provincial titles, do Kerry or Cork measure being at the top based on success within the province. It just a means to an end for them. I'm just calling it as it is, Jez Mayo only won 2 Connacht titles from 1955 to 1981. Imagine that record in a 5 county province!
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: shaund10 on May 14, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Of all teams in the country that should be wary about their prospects after two U21 AIs it's Galway. Carney is just feeding into the cliched perception that a team that was once good will always naturally return, as it it's somehow anointed by God. Galway have been in this 'slumber' for more than a decade and for at least the last five years their record is atrocious. That isn't under-performance, it's near-terminal decline.
Hardly. Not that long ago Galway once went 8 years without even a Connacht title. They only even reached one provincial final in all that time. 3 years after that they won the All-Ireland. Even during the last 10 years when we've been in a dismal slump, Galway have won 3 Connacht titles and been in another 3 finals (losing all 3 by a single point). So things have been much worse at times before.
These things can turn around quickly if the right conditions exist. I don't doubt for a second that we will be back as a serious contender again. When? I don't exactly know. It requires the right amount of talent coming through at roughly the same time, patience to allow that talent to mature and the right managment. A few talented veterans also helps. Something we don't have as much of now as we did back in the mid-90's.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 15, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
If Galway have not been out of it since 2001. Tell me the last big team they have beat in the Championship. Tell me the last team they have beat outside of Connacht in the Championship. How many games have they won in Croke Park? How many appearances in have they made in Croke Park. They still talk about the game v Kerry that Galway lost by 5 points as if some sort of achievement. You mentioned the League, how many times did Galway reach the knock-out stages? Forget provincial titles, do Kerry or Cork measure being at the top based on success within the province. It just a means to an end for them. I'm just calling it as it is, Jez Mayo only won 2 Connacht titles from 1955 to 1981. Imagine that record in a 5 county province!
Galway's record outside of Connacht has been terrible since 2001. However, I wouldn't swap 4 connacht championships for a few wins outside of Connacht, even if they were AI QF's or something. Would you prefer a semi final exit this year or a Connacht title and no further? Silverware is silverware.
We underperformed in 01-08, but we weren't totally in the doldrums. The media simply expects a county like Galway, to be challenging every year, which has never been the case in the county. Our great teams come in cycles, and always have done. It must also be stressed that it has only been the seniors underperforming. Club and underage have been very good throughout that time.
And who is talking about the loss to Kerry? It was an excellent game and a good performance from an injury ravaged side, but every Galway fan knows we were never on Kerry's level at that time and they were always likely to win.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: shaund10 on May 14, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
You'd swear Galway were a team of Goochs who just happened to take too many sleeping tablets. Counties fortunes can shift on a dime - look at Mayo's 2011 championship - but I have to imagine even a lot of Galway supporters groan at this notion that they have so much potential that a return to the top table is little less than a done deal. One step at a time, Martin.
Christ, all he said was that Galway will soon awaken from their slumber. Probably something to do with the 2 u-21 titles in 3 years. Nowhere did he say that they were set for an immediate return to the 'top table'.
Of all teams in the country that should be wary about their prospects after two U21 AIs it's Galway. Carney is just feeding into the cliched perception that a team that was once good will always naturally return, as it it's somehow anointed by God. Galway have been in this 'slumber' for more than a decade and for at least the last five years their record is atrocious. That isn't under-performance, it's near-terminal decline.
Hardly. Not that long ago Galway once went 8 years without even a Connacht title. They only even reached one provincial final in all that time. 3 years after that they won the All-Ireland. Even during the last 10 years when we've been in a dismal slump, Galway have won 3 Connacht titles and been in another 3 finals (losing all 3 by a single point). So things have been much worse at times before.
These things can turn around quickly if the right conditions exist. I don't doubt for a second that we will be back as a serious contender again. When? I don't exactly know. It requires the right amount of talent coming through at roughly the same time, patience to allow that talent to mature and the right managment. A few talented veterans also helps. Something we don't have as much of now as we did back in the mid-90's.
Galway's sum total of victories on Irish soil since June 28th 2008?
Us. Last year. That's it. Nothing else, no one else.
You haven't won a single qualifier in nine years, losing to everyone from Wexford to Donegal to Westmeath to Antrim.
Like I said before fortunes can change in an instant in football but for people to try and categorise that sort of record as a 'slumber' is like saying Ariel Sharon is just having a bit of a kip.
Galway became a below average team. Welcome to the club.
We also beat Sligo in 2009 in Connacht semi final.
We've been poor in recent seasons but I don't agree that it's a terminal decline like you say.
I do think we will bounce back but I also think it will take time
Quote from: galwayman on May 15, 2013, 06:50:18 AM
We also beat Sligo in 2009 in Connacht semi final.
We've been poor in recent seasons but I don't agree that it's a terminal decline like you say.
I do think we will bounce back but I also think it will take time
Galway were verra poor in the early 90s as well.
But it didn't matter.
Ros win Connacht on average once a decade. Galway will never be that mediocre over the long term. Mayo couldn't win 7 or 8 times every 10 years anyway. They'd get mass vertigo.
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 08:47:29 AM
Quote from: galwayman on May 15, 2013, 06:50:18 AM
We also beat Sligo in 2009 in Connacht semi final.
We've been poor in recent seasons but I don't agree that it's a terminal decline like you say.
I do think we will bounce back but I also think it will take time
Galway were verra poor in the early 90s as well.
But it didn't matter.
Ros win Connacht on average once a decade. Galway will never be that mediocre over the long term. Mayo couldn't win 7 or 8 times every 10 years anyway. They'd get mass vertigo.
True
we like to throw on e to the savages once every few years to keep them interested
We did our best for Sligo a few years but even then they managed to muck it up and let the sheepshaggers in
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Looking from the outside in I think Galway's main problem over the last decade was the decisions made at the top table in terms of the senior team management. While their tradition means there is a certain level of expectation from the fans I don't think this excuses the rash hiring and firing of managers.Since they last one in 2001 Galway have one an All Ireland minor in 2007 and U21 All Ireland's in 2002 , 2005 ,2011 and 2013! Now even allowing for a poor return on player development these success's should be enough to shape a solid senior division 1 team that would be competing at qf level in the kinship most years.
On the flip side since 2001 the team has been managed by John O' Mahoney , Peter Forde , Liam Sammon, Joe Kernan , Tomas O Flaherta and now Alan Mulholland. This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season. If they do this they should have most of the emerging talent bedded into to the team and who knows they could be belting through the championship with that swagger that adorned all the great Galway teams.
Also I am sure there are some GAA print journalist who read and post on this site so could you please stop saying in every article that the last time Mayo achieved a 3 in a row in Connacht was 1949/51 when in fact we won the three in a row in 1950 subsequently achieving a four in a row in 1951 having won in Connacht titles in 1948/49/50/51!!!!!!!
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
If they do, it would be a case of pot calling kettle black.
There have been lots of similarities between the two counties, at senior level, for a long time now. Both have has assloads of promising minor and u21 lads who haven't made the transition to senior or are finding it hard to adjust to the realities there.
Both counties appear to have ongoing rows between members of their county boards and, from what I hear, there is a lot of dissension at club level as well.
In Roscommon's case, I think we have to go back a long time to find the cause of their decline. I'd trace it back to the time there was controversy over County Board funds. They appeared to have had the makings of a half decent side a couple of times in the interim but never quite managed to get the best out of them.
Galway seem to be having more than the average amount of internal rows in recent years and both counties have a habit of changing managers at a very fast rate.
I think Roscommon will make it to the Connacht final but I can't see them going any further in the championships unless they manage to get their act together. It will surprise me very much if will be the opposition but there again Mayo can never feel complacent when Galway provides the opposition.
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Quote from: galwayman on May 14, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Galway team has been named...
1 Manus Breathnach
2 Johnny Duane
3 Colin Forde
4 Gary Sweeney
5 Gareth Bradshaw (Captain)
6 Keith Kelly
7 Gary Sice
8 Niall Coleman
9 Fiontan O'Curraoin
10 Thomas Flynn
11 Paul Conroy
12 Conor Doherty
13 Sean Armstrong
14 Michael Meehan
15 Danny Cummins
It's pretty much along expected lines. I can only assume that Hanley's recent injury is the reason he has not been picked to start.
Reading through the team again here & I just really can't make a case for a Galway win.
Only around half of the team that beat the Rossies out the gate last year are playing on Sunday.
What is the story with Mark Hehir?
GALWAY : A Faherty; K McGrath (0-1); F Hanley; K Kelly; G Bradshaw (0-2); J Duane; G O'Donnell; J Bergin (0-2); G Higgins; G Sice (1-3, 0-2 frees); D Burke; T Flynn; S Armstrong (0-1); P Conroy (1-4); M Hehir (1-0). Subs: M Meehan (0-2, 0-1 free) for S Armstrong (45 mins); Pádraic Joyce for D Burke (51 mins); T Fahy for G O'Donnell (54 mins); D Cummins for M Hehir (65 mins). Yellow cards: Burke (28 mins); Hehir (36 mins); Bradshaw (55 mins).
Quote from: ross4life on May 15, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Syfín is looking for a bandwagon to jump on again.
He's still suckin up to the Rhus.
Meanwhile on stolensheep he's castigating any poster who says anything that isn't 110% praise of St Brigids.
He'll get more sense when he moves up to Second year ;) and maybe some day he'll just stick to supporting his own and ignore all the other hoors.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 15, 2013, 01:20:25 PM
If they do, it would be a case of pot calling kettle black.
There have been lots of similarities between the two counties, at senior level, for a long time now. Both have has assloads of promising minor and u21 lads who haven't made the transition to senior or are finding it hard to adjust to the realities there.
Both counties appear to have ongoing rows between members of their county boards and, from what I hear, there is a lot of dissension at club level as well.
In Roscommon's case, I think we have to go back a long time to find the cause of their decline. I'd trace it back to the time there was controversy over County Board funds. They appeared to have had the makings of a half decent side a couple of times in the interim but never quite managed to get the best out of them.
Galway seem to be having more than the average amount of internal rows in recent years and both counties have a habit of changing managers at a very fast rate.
I think Roscommon will make it to the Connacht final but I can't see them going any further in the championships unless they manage to get their act together. It will surprise me very much if will be the opposition but there again Mayo can never feel complacent when Galway provides the opposition.
They as in him. You really think we will beat the winners of this game something we haven't done since 2001?
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 01:33:52 PM
Only around half of the team that beat the Rossies out the gate last year are playing on Sunday.
What is the story with Mark Hehir?
GALWAY : A Faherty; K McGrath (0-1); F Hanley; K Kelly; G Bradshaw (0-2); J Duane; G O'Donnell; J Bergin (0-2); G Higgins; G Sice (1-3, 0-2 frees); D Burke; T Flynn; S Armstrong (0-1); P Conroy (1-4); M Hehir (1-0). Subs: M Meehan (0-2, 0-1 free) for S Armstrong (45 mins); Pádraic Joyce for D Burke (51 mins); T Fahy for G O'Donnell (54 mins); D Cummins for M Hehir (65 mins). Yellow cards: Burke (28 mins); Hehir (36 mins); Bradshaw (55 mins).
You sound surprised? so many changes because you didn't follow up on your win against us & were beaten by Sligo,Antrim.
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 14, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Galway team has been named...
1 Manus Breathnach
2 Johnny Duane
3 Colin Forde
4 Gary Sweeney
5 Gareth Bradshaw (Captain)
6 Keith Kelly
7 Gary Sice
8 Niall Coleman
9 Fiontan O'Curraoin
10 Thomas Flynn
11 Paul Conroy
12 Conor Doherty
13 Sean Armstrong
14 Michael Meehan
15 Danny Cummins
It's pretty much along expected lines. I can only assume that Hanley's recent injury is the reason he has not been picked to start.
Reading through the team again here & I just really can't make a case for a Galway win.
Only around half of the team that beat the Rossies out the gate last year are playing on Sunday.
What is the story with Mark Hehir?
GALWAY : A Faherty; K McGrath (0-1); F Hanley; K Kelly; G Bradshaw (0-2); J Duane; G O'Donnell; J Bergin (0-2); G Higgins; G Sice (1-3, 0-2 frees); D Burke; T Flynn; S Armstrong (0-1); P Conroy (1-4); M Hehir (1-0). Subs: M Meehan (0-2, 0-1 free) for S Armstrong (45 mins); Pádraic Joyce for D Burke (51 mins); T Fahy for G O'Donnell (54 mins); D Cummins for M Hehir (65 mins). Yellow cards: Burke (28 mins); Hehir (36 mins); Bradshaw (55 mins).
From that team, Faherty abroad, McGrath, Hanley injured, O'Donnell dropped but on panel, Bergin retired, Higgins on panel, D Burke retired, Hehir on panel (not good enough), Joyce retired, Fahy off panel.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
I would like to see Mayo winning an all Ireland before Galway get going again.
Mayo GAA @MayoGAA 4s
Team: Clarke, Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, A.O'Shea, S.O'Shea, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Carolan, Varley, Freeman, Coen.
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
I would like to see Mayo winning an all Ireland before Galway get going again.
So would I Seafoid but I'll only believe it when I see Sam coming through Ballaghadreen around Sept time. I'll never give up hoping but if I had to put money on one or the other at this monent in time my money would be on a Galway resurgence.
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 02:29:24 PM
Mayo GAA @MayoGAA 4s
Team: Clarke, Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, A.O'Shea, S.O'Shea, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Carolan, Varley, Freeman, Coen.
Coen the surprise inclusion. Thought he looked very good at U21 and was surprised we didn't see more of him in league. Hopefully he provides something new in FF line. Bit disappointed to see Cillian out at CF again, don't think we get best use of him there, although his distribution against Dublin in semi was very good.
And great to see Alan and Andy named in the subs:
16. Kenneth O'Malley - Ballinrobe
17. Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
18. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
19. Shane McHale - Knockmore
20. Michael Walsh - Ardnaree
21. James Burke - Ballymun Kickhams
22. Jason Gibbons - Ballintubber
23. Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
24. Alan Murphy - Ballinrobe
25. Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen
26. Conor O'Shea - Breaffy
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 02:29:24 PM
Mayo GAA @MayoGAA 4s
Team: Clarke, Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins, Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, A.O'Shea, S.O'Shea, McLoughlin, O'Connor, Carolan, Varley, Freeman, Coen.
Good solid team and I wouldn't be too worried about 1 to 12 but our inside line does look a little blunt. Good to see Coen getting a chance and hopefully he'll take it. Obviuosly I would have liked to see Regan or Doherty in there but with both struggling to shake off injuries there is no point in throwing them in if they aren't 100%. We'll have to keep it tough and tight as I can't see us scoring more than 11 0r 12 points with that forward line asumming Galway don't have an off day. Thay key for me is the silly turnovers, we need to be patient and pick out the openings as we have enough workers all through the team to win and keep possesion. I think Galway will be right in it for most of this game and I hope we can dig out a hard fought 2 or 3 point win. A Goal to either side could have a big bearing on this game.
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
I would like to see Mayo winning an all Ireland before Galway get going again.
So would I Seafoid but I'll only believe it when I see Sam coming through Ballaghadreen around Sept time. I'll never give up hoping but if I had to put money on one or the other at this money in time my money would be on a Galway resurgence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/16/roy-hodgson-west-bromwich-albion
"There are certain words that have to be avoided at all costs. Cynicism is one, fatalism is another. American sports are really good at assessing that side of things and making good decisions as a result."
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
I would like to see Mayo winning an all Ireland before Galway get going again.
So would I Seafoid but I'll only believe it when I see Sam coming through Ballaghadreen around Sept time. I'll never give up hoping but if I had to put money on one or the other at this money in time my money would be on a Galway resurgence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/16/roy-hodgson-west-bromwich-albion
"There are certain words that have to be avoided at all costs. Cynicism is one, fatalism is another. American sports are really good at assessing that side of things and making good decisions as a result."
Point taken Seafoid but surely you can't begrude us the odd bit of fatilism down here in Mayo with what we have been through ;D
Score predictions for this game sunday..
we can look back on monday and say that somebody knows their stuff.
il go 1-11 to 1-13 in favor of mayo
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on May 15, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Score predictions for this game sunday..
we can look back on monday and say that somebody knows their stuff.
il go 1-11 to 1-13 in favor of mayo
Mayo 1-9
Galway 1-7
Galway to lead at half time but Mayo to edge them out in the second half. Mayo to kick a heap of wides and turnover a shed load of ball with Galway struggling in the middle third. Brolly to spout shite about the supposed terminal decline of Galway accompanied by much hand wringing by the lads in studio , followed by Spillane assigning junk status to Mayo and (guilty by association) Connacht football while both proclaiming that everyone will want to draw the champions of the hillbillies from the west in the quarter final. 8)
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2013, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on May 15, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
This is a serious turnover of managers and what hope have you have developing a team or system such inconsistency? I think they are on the right track at the moment and regardless of results I think they should stick with Mulholland for at least 2 more years if possible after this season.
Without a doubt. Even if Galway are well beaten on Sunday there is no point in changing again. Mulholland should be left at it for a few years.
Much of Mayo's current squad come from their 2006 AI winning U-21's. Much of Galway's squad comes from the 2011 AI winning U-21's. Mayo have a 5 year head start as regards to experience and physical development and maturity. Mulholland can't be expected to bridge that gap overnight. It will take some time and then next year a few more of the 2013 U-21's can be introduced.
Too true and we had a four in a row run of winning U21 Connacht with the majority of the squad now made up from those teams. I think Mulholland's target for this year was to blood as many of the U21's as he could during the league and give Mayo a good rattle in Pearse Park. Injuries to the our forwards have probably made him more confident of beating us (and it will be close no matter what is being said here) but I would be shocked if he hasn't given thought to Galway's dismal qualifier record since 2001. I'd say the biggest disappointment for Galway would be another quiet qualifer exit if(and it's still an considerable if) they lose to Mayo on Sunday.
Next year will probably be the year for Galway to make their move out of a very competitive division 2 and make a serious run in Connacht and a win in Croke park.I have seen enough this year of Galway to be confident that a move back to division 1 is a strong possibility and I do like the way Mulholland is developing a modern take on their traditional game rather than aping an Tryone/Donegal style along with tweaking a system to suit the natural talent of the players available to him. I think they should look to keep him with a view to a smooth transition (if it arises) like has happened at the U21 grade which he left in fine fettle.
I would like to see Mayo winning an all Ireland before Galway get going again.
So would I Seafoid but I'll only believe it when I see Sam coming through Ballaghadreen around Sept time. I'll never give up hoping but if I had to put money on one or the other at this money in time my money would be on a Galway resurgence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/16/roy-hodgson-west-bromwich-albion
"There are certain words that have to be avoided at all costs. Cynicism is one, fatalism is another. American sports are really good at assessing that side of things and making good decisions as a result."
Point taken Seafoid but surely you can't begrude us the odd bit of fatilism down here in Mayo with what we have been through ;D
Please god ye will get to final where Kildare are the opposition...
ALAN AND ANDY ON THE BENCH
Coen and freeman start!!!!
David Clarke;
Kevin Keane, Ger Cafferky, Keith Higgins;
Lee Keegan, Donal Vaughan, Colm Boyle;
Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea;
Kevin McLoughlin, Cillian O'Connor, Cathal Carolan;
Enda Varley, Alan Freeman, Darren Coen.
Subs: Kenneth O'Malley, Tom Cunniffe, Alan Dillon, Shane McHale,
Michael Walsh, James Burke, Jason Gibbons, Richie Feeney, Alan Murphy,
Andy Moran, Conor O'Shea.
It's hard, looking at the starting teams, not to think that Galway have a serious, serious chance. I've never seen Coen play but lads making a championship start before a league one don't tend to do well. Easy to see it going wrong for Mayo and I think of all the absentees Barry Moran is the most serious loss.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 15, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
It's hard, looking at the starting teams, not to think that Galway have a serious, serious chance. I've never seen Coen play but lads making a championship start before a league one don't tend to do well. Easy to see it going wrong for Mayo and I think of all the absentees Barry Moran is the most serious loss.
He is a serious midfielder and we would need him in August, but SOS is well able to fill in. Our losses in the FF are more serious. Andy on the bench is a good sign, assuming we have a bit of a run. I would prefer to see Cillian in closer to goal, particularly with the injuries but I'd have him in there anyway. Freeman has a big chance and really needs to take it. He may switch with Cillian, but I reckon he (Freeman) will goal on Sunday. Varley is similar to Freeman in that he has had chances, although he has been a bit more consistent. We need 4-5 points from him and lots of involvement. Best of luck to Coen on his big chance.
I think we will win after 55 mins of huffing and puffing. No PJ this time makes a big difference to Galway.
at least there is some hope for Coen
delighted for Cathal Carolan. he was given his chance and grabbed it . he was not even that lauded at club level and horan deseves credit for taking a punt on him,
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 15, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
It's hard, looking at the starting teams, not to think that Galway have a serious, serious chance. I've never seen Coen play but lads making a championship start before a league one don't tend to do well. Easy to see it going wrong for Mayo and I think of all the absentees Barry Moran is the most serious loss.
He is a serious midfielder and we would need him in August, but SOS is well able to fill in. Our losses in the FF are more serious. Andy on the bench is a good sign, assuming we have a bit of a run. I would prefer to see Cillian in closer to goal, particularly with the injuries but I'd have him in there anyway. Freeman has a big chance and really needs to take it. He may switch with Cillian, but I reckon he (Freeman) will goal on Sunday. Varley is similar to Freeman in that he has had chances, although he has been a bit more consistent. We need 4-5 points from him and lots of involvement. Best of luck to Coen on his big chance.
I think we will win after 55 mins of huffing and puffing. No PJ this time makes a big difference to Galway.
i dont think varley has ever let mayo down and i would have him on the is 15 any day
Having said that im not sure how mayos long ball to FF line is going to work with that selection . one player is probably going to have to play further back . probably freeman
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 15, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
It's hard, looking at the starting teams, not to think that Galway have a serious, serious chance. I've never seen Coen play but lads making a championship start before a league one don't tend to do well. Easy to see it going wrong for Mayo and I think of all the absentees Barry Moran is the most serious loss.
Yeah Big Barry has been the main man along side Aidan O' Shea and Kevin Mac in the middle third when we have been going at full pelt. I always thought Galway had a good chance in this game( Galway Mayo games are rarely blowouts for either county anyway) and it would be up to our midfield and backs to stifle Galway rather than us winning in a shoot out. Our injuries in the forwards have seriously hampered us though and we will be relying on the accuracy of Cillian's frees to get us over the line in this one.The major worry is if Galway gain any sort of parity in the middle they could easily out score us as I can't see us getting more than 9 or 10 scores so we can't really afford to concede more than 11 points on the scoreboard to Galway if we are going to win!
Ah, sure of course Mayo would opt for the Aghamore man when the chips are down. ;) Freeman has a big opportunity in front of him with Finian Hanley on the blocks.
It is a pity for Galway to be in between Donnellan generations on top of being Joyceless.
QuoteFreeman has a big opportunity in front of him with Finian Hanley on the blocks.
Absolutely, it's time for Freeman to start showing his full potential. I really hope he does, as I think his a fantastic footballer, but with Conroy and A.Moran to fully come back into the panel, I feel this match will have a huge bearing on his involvement for the rest of the the Championship.
Quote from: AMayoFan on May 15, 2013, 05:34:56 PM
QuoteFreeman has a big opportunity in front of him with Finian Hanley on the blocks.
Absolutely, it's time for Freeman to start showing his full potential. I really hope he does, as I think his a fantastic footballer, but with Conroy and A.Moran to fully come back into the panel, I feel this match will have a huge bearing on his involvement for the rest of the the Championship.
Dublin league match in Croker in 2011 was the last match I remember thinking he was having a great game. Hope he can turn it around for himself, he's got more chances than most.
It certainly isn't a team that inspires me with confidence, I don't think Galway will lose much sleep either. Big plusses are the 2 O'Sheas are centrefield, plsying great for Breaffy. Our forwards need to step it up big time this weekend though. I can't predict an outcome.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
It certainly isn't a team that inspires me with confidence, I don't think Galway will lose much sleep either. Big plusses are the 2 O'Sheas are centrefield, plsying great for Breaffy. Our forwards need to step it up big time this weekend though. I can't predict an outcome.
You are unusually optimistic Farran! ;D
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Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Sure we're all in decline apart from Roscommon according to Syferus.
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Quote from: ross4life on May 15, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Sure we're all in decline apart from Roscommon according to Syferus.
The quaility of your posts are anyways :-X
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Quote from: ross4life on May 15, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Sure we're all in decline apart from Roscommon according to Syferus.
Syfeen will get progressively more deluded building up to a crescendo on the Saturday evening before the Connacht semi final
And then silence
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
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Quote from: muppet on May 15, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Would the Rossies feck off and leave Galway alone until after Sunday.
If we win, or especially if they win, you can talk of their terminal decline to your hearts content.
Syferus as in one poster! and don't get him started on Kerrys decline.
Sure we're all in decline apart from Roscommon according to Syferus.
Syfeen will get progressively more deluded building up to a crescendo on the Saturday evening before the Connacht semi final
And then silence
Only in your dreams. If last year's QF can't knock me back nothing will 8)
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on May 15, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
Score predictions for this game sunday..
we can look back on monday and say that somebody knows their stuff.
il go 1-11 to 1-13 in favor of mayo
Mayo 0-10
Galway 0-09
Spillane inconsolable on the telly.
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What's that Clareman doing in a Galway Jersey? Should be Gilmore!
Mayo 3-12 Galway 1-10. Can't see Galway troubling our defence while with Hanly out we should be good for a few goals. Would have preferred to have CO'C in FF line though his distribution and vision not in doubt - Freeman may benefit from the accuracy of his passes. Good to give Coen a start - let him get experience in Connacht for the bigger battles in CP later. Expect we will see Moran and Dillon in last 10 mins when the result is not in doubt.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 15, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
Mayo 3-12 Galway 1-10. Can't see Galway troubling our defence while with Hanly out we should be good for a few goals. Would have preferred to have CO'C in FF line though his distribution and vision not in doubt - Freeman may benefit from the accuracy of his passes. Good to give Coen a start - let him get experience in Connacht for the bigger battles in CP later. Expect we will see Moran and Dillon in last 10 mins when the result is not in doubt.
Must be annoying to have to log out and log back in all the time Syferus
This selection shows just how safe the job is in Horan s hands. If injuries were not in the equation, we would be looking at the same team that started v Down in the 1/4 last year. That is the preferred 15 - or at least 14 from 15 and it would be difficult to find fault with that. It also is an unusual thing in Mayo where teams change very fast. But really our starting 15 v Down would still be our starting 15 IMO if injuries hadn t intervened. And it would be hard bet and would have been hard bet last year too!
It looks like Horan wants dependabilty in the team as far as possible, and was never going to play Keith at 6. He also must see Vaughan as an imortant leader and a player that will put himself on the edge . 1- 12 are a dependable tight group. They could win the game and unlikely to lose the game.
The full forward line is the joker in the pack. I don t think any would make anybody's 15 a few month s ago and probably would not be in Horan s 15 now either if others were fit. But they they may turn out to be match winners. They could also fluff a few chances like our inside men usually do and cost us the game. Funnily enough Mayo forwards often play best in their first year or first game even. Doc. and Freeman certainly did and then tied up a bit later when defenders homed in on them. If I were a betting man I d risk a tenner on Coen to score the first/any goal. Spillane salivating over a natural gaol- scorer? Ye have to hope.
I m not making any predictions. We had teams that should have won Connacht in 86,87, 90 and 91 but fucked them away. This team unlikely to be filleted next day but it is likely to be very close.
Galway should be hoping that Mayo kick ball into our ff line. Tight tidy markers there could take the wind out of sails. I expect Mayo to vary it with a lot of carrying from deep positions. If we dominate possession we could get done in a 'rope a dope' game like we did in the league at least once this year. Like a lot of teams we re better at counter-attacking. O Connor and McLough. frees will be crucial if we dominate possession and pressing most of the time.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 15, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
Mayo 3-12 Galway 1-10. Can't see Galway troubling our defence while with Hanly out we should be good for a few goals. Would have preferred to have CO'C in FF line though his distribution and vision not in doubt - Freeman may benefit from the accuracy of his passes. Good to give Coen a start - let him get experience in Connacht for the bigger battles in CP later. Expect we will see Moran and Dillon in last 10 mins when the result is not in doubt.
You are some joker! A pure Red (and Green) Herring! ;D
Are you James Horan in disguise?
I'm happy with the side from 1-9 and, given the list of injuries, I think 10-12 is about as good as Horan can field.
Mayo, as far back as I can recall, have had difficulties in finding good inside forwards and next Sunday I don't expect a change for the better. I don't really know much about Coen. He must be flying in training to get the nod over a number of more experienced candidates but this is going to be a big step up for him. A lot could hang on his performance.
Varley is very skilful but lacks consistency and Freeman has never delivered on the promise he showed in 2010. Going into the Down game last year, I believed that Horan had settled on 14 out of 15 places; he had only one corner forward spot to fill.
Andy's injury mucked up his plans in a big way.
Right now, I think only Kevin Mac and COC up front could be guaranteed a start if JH had a full deck to play with.
Seamie would be under serious pressure if Barry Moran was back to form and I doubt very much if anyone from midfield back to Clarke lost any sleep over his chances of playing on Sunday.
I don't see the Mayo attack banging in 2 or 3 goals but I don't expect Galway to do so either. The Mayo defence is about as experienced and battle hardened as you will get and should deal with anything that Galway throws at them.
All the same, I'd feel a lot happier if Andy and Alan were fit and ready for action again.
I wonder how Galway will get on at midfield.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2013, 09:11:18 AM
I wonder how Galway will get on at midfield.
The key here for Galway is to try and stretch midfield on their own kickouts. They cannot let the O''Shea brothers attack the high ball from the center becauuse even if primary possession isn't won their natural strenght will force turnoovers. On Mayo ball the need to get O'Curraoin, Flynn and Bradshaw to challenge every ball in the air. Coleman , Sice and one of Doherty/Conroy will have to do the heavy lifting in terms of dirty ball and secondary breaking ball. Also they should try and match Conroy with Keegan and Flynn with Donie Vaughan as Donie is decidely weak under the high ball as was exposed badly by Paul Flynn in the league semi.
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2013, 09:11:18 AM
I wonder how Galway will get on at midfield.
Thats the $64,000 dollar question for a lot of Galway folk this weekend. Our lads around the middle wont have the power of the 2 Shea's but we would be a little more mobile - I would be including Tom Flynn there from our perspective as that is where he will operate for a lot of the game I reckon. As is the norm in modern day football, the half-back's and half-forwards's will all be expected to win the "dirty ball" and establish a platform for the overall shape of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
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Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
No sign of that sunrise, sonny
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21601.msg1113211#msg1113211
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
Mods,
any chance of suspending Syfín for a while. :-[
Go out for a good long walk Syf - you need a bit of fresh air to clear your silly headeen. :-X
Jaysus Rossfan, it's not like you to be so downhearted! Or is it?? I'm looking forward to your Gettysburg speech (irrespective of who wins on Sunday, ok it better be Mayo). One of my highlights of the summer!!
Are Barrett and Cunniffe injured? Im a huge fan of Donie Vaughan but hes not a cb IMO. Tom Cunniffe is a lot steadier in this position and his distribution is way ahead of Vaughans
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Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
Mods,
any chance of suspending Syfín for a while. :-[
Go out for a good long walk Syf - you need a bit of fresh air to clear your silly headeen. :-X
There's only one IP address for the whole of Roscommon so you'd be pretty screwed then. :'(
So, any truth to the rumour Horan's playing fantasy football with the announced line-up and Dillon is going to start for Coen, with COC moving into the forward line?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 16, 2013, 07:07:52 PM
Jaysus Rossfan, it's not like you to be so downhearted! Or is it?? I'm looking forward to your Gettysburg speech (irrespective of who wins on Sunday, ok it better be Mayo). One of my highlights of the summer!!
Might be better shtickin to the long grass the year --- i.e if any effin grass grows at all ???
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2013, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
Mods,
any chance of suspending Syfín for a while. :-[
Go out for a good long walk Syf - you need a bit of fresh air to clear your silly headeen. :-X
There's only one IP address for the whole of Roscommon so you'd be pretty screwed then. :'(
So, any truth to the rumour Horan's playing fantasy football with the announced line-up and Dillon is going to start for Coen, with COC moving into the forward line?
That makes sense all right Syferus. Although I haven't heard any rumour to suggest it would happen, Horan is not known to make really startling changes.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 16, 2013, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
This is the year to take down the Brolly.
C'mon Mayo!
Cannot wait to hear him after we bate ye into dust. He'll have to be careful not to do himself an injury with all the uncontrollable laughing.
Mods,
any chance of suspending Syfín for a while. :-[
Go out for a good long walk Syf - you need a bit of fresh air to clear your silly headeen. :-X
There's only one IP address for the whole of Roscommon so you'd be pretty screwed then. :'(
So, any truth to the rumour Horan's playing fantasy football with the announced line-up and Dillon is going to start for Coen, with COC moving into the forward line?
That makes sense all right Syferus. Although I haven't heard any rumour to suggest it would happen, Horan is not known to make really startling changes.
I doubt very much that Horan would use a young fella as a stalking horse or patsy. Besides I m sure Galway will be expecting some input from Dillon anyway and it s not like they wont have planned for several eventualities.
The Mayo inside forward selection is ... well I know it sounds dreadful, but it is the scraping of the barrell. But as I said earlier they could do the business. I d suspect all 3 are in a situation they might not have expected to be a few weeks and they re probably really up for this.
Of the forward subs named Dilllon and Andy are not match fit and only Dillon likely to have any role. I expect Andy s presence on the bench more a morale thing i suspect. Then there is Alan Murphy and O Sé the younger. There isn t a pile of options.
Regan was pushing hard to start but he s gone. So is Doherty and Conroy.
Hopefully Dillon can play a bit and of course Feeney is being kept for the fireman role he does so well.
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
He ll probably be needed but I still don t expect to see him.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
He ll probably be needed but I still don t expect to see him.
why waste a place on the bench then. with 2 debutants the chances of subs being need in the forwards is very high,
don't tell me the squad is pard back that much we're putting players without a hope of playing on the bench
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwv_TGoxXtg
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Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
He ll probably be needed but I still don t expect to see him.
why waste a place on the bench then. with 2 debutants the chances of subs being need in the forwards is very high,
don't tell me the squad is pard back that much we're putting players without a hope of playing on the bench
Good point, ros. I suppose the fact that he part o the squad is will boost the team's morale and spur them on that extra biteen. Mind you, I think all Mayo players will be revved up to the max at the sight of a maroon jersey and won't need inspiration from any external source.
Yeehaw! Get them heron chokers! ;D
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Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
He ll probably be needed but I still don t expect to see him.
why waste a place on the bench then. with 2 debutants the chances of subs being need in the forwards is very high,
don't tell me the squad is pard back that much we're putting players without a hope of playing on the bench
Good point, ros. I suppose the fact that he part o the squad is will boost the team's morale and spur them on that extra biteen. Mind you, I think all Mayo players will be revved up to the max at the sight of a maroon jersey and won't need inspiration from any external source.
Yeehaw! Get them heron chokers! ;D
well does anybody know of anyone in the squad that is fit and not listed in the subs. Just asking like? Who would Andy be keeping off the bench??
As I said just curious.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 17, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
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Quote from: moysider on May 17, 2013, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2013, 12:08:23 AM
The word from Andy is that he won't feature at all unless he's needed. Hopefully whatever happens he stays healthy because you don't want to see a player of his quality on the blocks in the summer no matter what jersey they wear.
He ll probably be needed but I still don t expect to see him.
why waste a place on the bench then. with 2 debutants the chances of subs being need in the forwards is very high,
don't tell me the squad is pard back that much we're putting players without a hope of playing on the bench
Good point, ros. I suppose the fact that he part o the squad is will boost the team’s morale and spur them on that extra biteen. Mind you, I think all Mayo players will be revved up to the max at the sight of a maroon jersey and won’t need inspiration from any external source.
Yeehaw! Get them heron chokers! ;D
well does anybody know of anyone in the squad that is fit and not listed in the subs. Just asking like? Who would Andy be keeping off the bench??
As I said just curious.
who knows who is fit and who is not . everything is a state secret in the mayo panel.
but my main complaint about horan is the wasy he has let go so quality players in the last few years
like of
Ronaldson ( a personal favorite who should start every mayo game )
Kilcoyne
danny kirby
aidan walsh
A Campbell
micky mullins
mikey sweeny
and of course ciran mc donald :)
all better options than a not able to play and.
and im sure there are more than a few handy club player im not aware of
Park and ride every 20 mins. from airport to Salthill from 12 o clock on Sunday.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
who knows who is fit and who is not . everything is a state secret in the mayo panel.
but my main complaint about horan is the wasy he has let go so quality players in the last few years
like of
Ronaldson ( a personal favorite who should start every mayo game )
I think Ronaldson got a good a few chances and he didn't impress. Was it last year or the year before he wasn't in the squad and then brought back in and was scoring a goid few points in the league.
Anyway, I've a bad feeling about Sunday, reckon we'll be leaving Salthill with our tails between our legs like the last time I was there (2005). Hope I'm wrong. Galway and Mayo games are hard to call at the best of times but it's in Salthill, they haven't beaten us in a while, we're going for 3 Connacht's in a row, we're a wounded animal. If the shoe was on the other foot and they were coming up to Castlebar, wouldn't every Mayo man and his granny be frothing at the mouth baying for Maroon blood!
We'll have to meet them with the ferociousness that they'll come out of the blocks with. There's no de Paor's or Donnellan's or Ja Fallon's or Padraic Joyce's but there are Bradshaw (one of the best half backs in the game), O Curraoin, Armstrong, Conroy and of course Meehan the danger man. These lads will be pumped heading into this game let there be no doubt about it. We'll have to hit hard, Hard, HARD!!
Something else to ponder and let it not be taken as any kind of defeatist soft talk but wouldn't it be better going into an All Ireland 1/4 final having played a Donegal/Tyrone, Derry/Down, a Meath or a Kildare or even a Cork or a Kerry rather than playing Roscommon and Sligo (No disrespect to those two by the way nor Leitrim for that matter).
I suppose it would want to be drilled into our lad's before throw in on Sunday not to be daydreaming about the lush pastures of Croke Park but to be living in the now and to go out in Salthill and get the job done!
Christ, the blood is boiling already. I won't get a wink of sleep tonight let alone Monday morning when I'll be tuned into it at 1am Sydney time. What sort of breed are we at all, the Mayo man and the unquenchable grá and quest for Sam!!
i have never seen ronaldson have a really poor game for mayo. its just he's not a horan type of player on whose game is based on Skill rather than effort and i would say the same for kilcoyne , A Walsh and sweeney (not to mention C Mort)under a different manager these would be the guys we would be lookiing to rather than a constantly disappointing Alan freeman a 33 year ols debutant in murphy wet behind the ears C o Shea and a back in richie feeney .
Horan seem to be determined to make a noose for himself .
but so far we cant really argue with the results... TBC
Can't know why some of our supporters doubt our ability to win SAM this year. If there was ever a year that we had a great chance this is it. No great team around, a straight forward run the AI qtrs, a settled team and a management team that have the experience of getting to an AI behind them. We are hardly likely to be overly troubled by a qualifier in the quarters and then it is the Ulster champions or another qualifier team in the semi. Would not be overly worried about Ulster champions this year - doubt Donegal will come through again and even if they do we will know how to handle them (Still think we should have beaten them last Sept and would have had Andy been playing). All of the other Ulster teams are a bit behind us in terms of development. Then we are back in an AI final and I would be confident we won't let it slip again. I know a lot of our supporters are so damaged by losing that they cloak themselves in the belief that we will lose again and somehow feel that this will insulate them from disappointment.
On the panel would agree with Ros that players like Cambell, Kilcoyne and Ronaldson would strengthen panel but Horan likes a certain type of player and we have to accept that. If we can keep the panel we have fully fit for the year then I would not be too concerned.
Expect a comfortable enough win on Sunday 7/8 pts+ (You can relax Bod Mór!!). We can then start getting wound up again in August for the final shove.
Quote from: Bod Mor on May 17, 2013, 02:15:25 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on May 17, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
who knows who is fit and who is not . everything is a state secret in the mayo panel.
but my main complaint about horan is the wasy he has let go so quality players in the last few years
like of
Ronaldson ( a personal favorite who should start every mayo game )
I think Ronaldson got a good a few chances and he didn't impress. Was it last year or the year before he wasn't in the squad and then brought back in and was scoring a goid few points in the league.
Anyway, I've a bad feeling about Sunday, reckon we'll be leaving Salthill with our tails between our legs like the last time I was there (2005). Hope I'm wrong. Galway and Mayo games are hard to call at the best of times but it's in Salthill, they haven't beaten us in a while, we're going for 3 Connacht's in a row, we're a wounded animal. If the shoe was on the other foot and they were coming up to Castlebar, wouldn't every Mayo man and his granny be frothing at the mouth baying for Maroon blood!
We'll have to meet them with the ferociousness that they'll come out of the blocks with. There's no de Paor's or Donnellan's or Ja Fallon's or Padraic Joyce's but there are Bradshaw (one of the best half backs in the game), O Curraoin, Armstrong, Conroy and of course Meehan the danger man. These lads will be pumped heading into this game let there be no doubt about it. We'll have to hit hard, Hard, HARD!!
Something else to ponder and let it not be taken as any kind of defeatist soft talk but wouldn't it be better going into an All Ireland 1/4 final having played a Donegal/Tyrone, Derry/Down, a Meath or a Kildare or even a Cork or a Kerry rather than playing Roscommon and Sligo (No disrespect to those two by the way nor Leitrim for that matter).
I suppose it would want to be drilled into our lad's before throw in on Sunday not to be daydreamiIt ng about the lush pastures of Croke Park but to be living in the now and to go out in Salthill and get the job done!
Christ, the blood is boiling already. I won't get a wink of sleep tonight let alone Monday morning when I'll be tuned into it at 1am Sydney time. What sort of breed are we at all, the Mayo man and the unquenchable grá and quest for Sam!!
It will take a few all irelands to put the old reliable mghus fatalism out of its self perpetuating misery. If it was soccer the match would be like Dortmund v Ajax. Mayo should be well able for Sunday.
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Newstalk interview with Andy here, he seems like he's raring to go in terms of full training, whether he'll be in the reckoning for Sunday week is still very uncertain.
https://www.newstalk.ie/Andy-Moran:-Reaching-the-end-of-the-long-road-back
Regards Dillon, Barry Moran, Higgins, Boyle and Regan, any updates/news/rumours as to their fitness??? Coud we see any bolters like Conor O'Shea, etc pushing for a start??
I think you're great Andy, but..
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..did Newstalk disturb you while you were dumping a dead body?
I hope he wasn't cutting turf.
Now that you mention it, boss, this picture caught my eye:
(http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2012/09/andy-moran-2332012-2-390x285.jpg)
Andy cuts old school. Not a pallet in sight.
I heard the rumour you were floating around yesterday Syf. It will be interesting to see if it just a rumour or if Dillon plays from the start.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
I heard the rumour you were floating around yesterday Syf. It will be interesting to see if it just a rumour or if Dillon plays from the start.
Really?
It could well be true and Horan may be the man who put it out. He might be playing mind games here.
After the team for the Connacht Final was announced last year, the rumours had it that he was going to make positional switches at the throw in and they turned out to be true. (Moving COC in to play FF was one of them.)
You could well see Alan coming on at the last minute with Coen probably losing out.
This is a rout. Mayo looking very good. Or are Galway in rag order?
Writing on the (stone)wall, already! :(
Scandalous. 2-3 of free scores gifted to Mayo due to sloppy passing in defence.
Woeful stuff by Galway. We won't need to worry about any pressure on June 16th anyways.
Galway are putting it on a plate for them. The backs are like deer in the headlights at time and nothing is happening up front.
Expected much better from Galway. Can be any score Mayo want now.
Surprised to see Andy coming on in a rout but Galway's defending was so soft I guess Horan felt he could chance it. Delighted for him, and his celebration after his goal tells you all you need to know about how much work went into just being there today and how much it means to him.
Well done mayo. Now go win the all Ireland !!
Its about time they got rid of brolly on rte, never shuts the f**k up and no-one get the word in
New AI favourites right there.
That's the worst gway team I've ever seen.
Mayo were fairly poor too, I'd be interested in how many balls we kicked away, brutal from the half backs.
This could actually ruin our season, we need a good challenge to find our best 15
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 19, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
That's the worst gway team I've ever seen.
Mayo were fairly poor too, I'd be interested in how many balls we kicked away, brutal from the half backs.
This could actually ruin our season, we need a good challenge to find our best 15
I hear a good team would have scored 10 goals and 100 points on them.
Delighted for Andy Moran, it's damned hard work getting back from a cruciate injury. Felt sorry for Meehan though, tried his heart out without much support.
Can this be Mayo's year? My 12 year old son thinks so and he is a lucky wee shite
Galway = Fancy Dans.
Well after today we got people saying this is the worst galway team they have even seen and up north its the worst Armagh team they have ever seen. these 2 meeting in the qualfier could be a classic lol
Well done Mayo - shocking performance by Galway.
Mayo will take some beating, but you can't read too much into that performance as Galway seemed to be completely out of sorts.
WELL DONE TO SLIGO JUNIORS TODAY ON WINNING ANOTHER CONNACHT JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP......
Only problem is that half the team will now be on the team that plays London next week
Quote from: cicfada on May 19, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
Well done mayo. Now go win the all Ireland !!
+ 1
I would just add "in the name of god" to the above,
Mayo are verra good.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 19, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
Its about time they got rid of brolly on rte, never shuts the f**k up and no-one get the word in
I know he can be annoying but he got it right today. Before throw in in Cavan he said that Armagh were disorganised and that proved to be the case.
The Galway Mayo game was easier to call but Galway are clearly a side that don't have serious intent.
Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 19, 2013, 05:54:59 PM
That's the worst gway team I've ever seen.
Mayo were fairly poor too, I'd be interested in how many balls we kicked away, brutal from the half backs.
This could actually ruin our season, we need a good challenge to find our best 15
I hear a good team would have scored 10 goals and 100 points on them.
Shouldn't have conceded 11 points and could probably have had another 10 themselves
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: cicfada on May 19, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
Well done mayo. Now go win the all Ireland !!
+ 1
I would just add "in the name of god" to the above,
Mayo are verra good.
Arrah is the head down, Seafoid?
Surprised by the margin. Thought the forwards workrate forced the mistakes by the Galway backs which ultimately decided the game before half time.
Boyler man of the match for me. He'd rather lose his head than pull out of a 50/50.
Great to see game time for young McHale, did well.
Head down for game 2 now. Some selection headaches for Horan, not a bad problem at all to have.
Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 19, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: cicfada on May 19, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
Well done mayo. Now go win the all Ireland !!
+ 1
I would just add "in the name of god" to the above,
Mayo are verra good.
Arrah is the head down, Seafoid?
Mayo are good enough to win the thing. I hope they do.
I imagine Horan has more conviction than a lot of the fans.
BTW Ros vs Mayo will be like Poland vs Germany 1939
Well done Mayo and apologies for not being able to test ye for even a half yesterday - hope ye get at least one decent match before ye get to Croke Park in August - ye wont be too far away this year either.
As for us, well hopefully the powers that be in Galway football will finally see that its just not not natural or skillful footballers you need to compete at the highest level in this day and age - it that plus a lot more - enough said.
Had a big long diatribe written yesterday just before the board went and lost it before I could post it. Can't face typing it all out again if I could even remember half of it.
I had about a dozen brilliant and biting quips to tee off on Seafoid with before the board went down in flames but the moment's passed :'(
margin of victory was irrelavant ,though to equal the record was nice, but the game probably said more about galway than mayo. Mayo did what they had too aand galway didn't,
would not judge a team on one game though last time mayo had things that easy Roscommon came back to win a connacht the year after.
and if the two were to meet id fancy this Galway side any day . Meehan was fantasic from free and armstong not bad eith , It was a chase of some galway head froppog and more being lost.
Bring on the East ros now!!!.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 16, 2013, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 15, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
Mayo 3-12 Galway 1-10. Can't see Galway troubling our defence while with Hanly out we should be good for a few goals. Would have preferred to have CO'C in FF line though his distribution and vision not in doubt - Freeman may benefit from the accuracy of his passes. Good to give Coen a start - let him get experience in Connacht for the bigger battles in CP later. Expect we will see Moran and Dillon in last 10 mins when the result is not in doubt.
You are some joker! A pure Red (and Green) Herring! ;D
Are you James Horan in disguise?
Who is the joker now. A bit out in my forecast but I had not reckoned on Galway losing 2 players.
That's Connacht wrapped up. Nothing more to be said until August.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on May 20, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Well done Mayo and apologies for not being able to test ye for even a half yesterday - hope ye get at least one decent match before ye get to Croke Park in August - ye wont be too far away this year either.
As for us, well hopefully the powers that be in Galway football will finally see that its just not not natural or skillful footballers you need to compete at the highest level in this day and age - it that plus a lot more - enough said.
That's it GI. Mayo , Donegal and Dublin are at such a different level physically, that you won't even get a chance to play football against them until you can match that. The gap between u-21 football and senior has never been bigger. Galway were knocked around the place yesterday, especially early on when it was still a contest.
So, Mayo are after winning against Galway in their own backyard and not one word of well done to Mayo from anyone else other than the Galway bucks. Not a whole lot to add myself really, I was just surprised at how good Mayo were, apart from that 10 min spell early on in second half when they kinda knew they had it won by then. As Mayo4Sam said, there were a few balls that should have been placed better when on top, but I suppose we weren't even punished for those mistakes. Boyle my motm too ballinaman, was brilliant.
Well at least we know who we're playing next, Galway - (I felt for their fans yesterday), have a 6 week break and their spirit will be quashed after that. It's going to be a hard slog of a summer for them, if they get a summer at all that is.
From a Galway POV, the worst thing about yesterday is that the exact same thing is going to happen to the hurlers also. They've a grievous batin' coming down the track unless management seriously cop themselves on and stop trying to fill team positions with makeweights. Mark my words, it will happen, and everybody but me will be going around afterwards, wringing their hands and saying 'we didn't see this coming'.
I think you know Mayo are serious when the interviews emphasise how happy they were with the "workrate".
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
So, Mayo are after winning against Galway in their own backyard and not one word of well done to Mayo from anyone else other than the Galway bucks. Not a whole lot to add myself really, I was just surprised at how good Mayo were, apart from that 10 min spell early on in second half when they kinda knew they had it won by then. As Mayo4Sam said, there were a few balls that should have been placed better when on top, but I suppose we weren't even punished for those mistakes. Boyle my motm too ballinaman, was brilliant.
Well at least we know who we're playing next, Galway - (I felt for their fans yesterday), have a 6 week break and their spirit will be quashed after that. It's going to be a hard slog of a summer for them, if they get a summer at all that is.
Would not expect many congrats we did what was expected of us. My Munster/Kerry analogy stands - the Kingdom don't get plaudits when they hand out drubbings in May or June
Not many acknowledging my accurate forecast either.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
So, Mayo are after winning against Galway in their own backyard and not one word of well done to Mayo from anyone else other than the Galway bucks. Not a whole lot to add myself really, I was just surprised at how good Mayo were, apart from that 10 min spell early on in second half when they kinda knew they had it won by then. As Mayo4Sam said, there were a few balls that should have been placed better when on top, but I suppose we weren't even punished for those mistakes. Boyle my motm too ballinaman, was brilliant.
Well at least we know who we're playing next, Galway - (I felt for their fans yesterday), have a 6 week break and their spirit will be quashed after that. It's going to be a hard slog of a summer for them, if they get a summer at all that is.
You must have been happy with the goals, Farra
Congrats to Mayo - we all knew they were a better and more seasoned team but to get beat that much is very depressing.
I am sick and tired of people in our own county and pundits who watch us twice a year wondering 'what's wrong in Galway, are the structures not right' bla bla bla. Simple fact: they are not good enough. Again the footballers are not of the standard required to compete with the top tier. There is no mystery. Anyone that goes to Galway club games knows this and secondly they know under 21 and senior championship are worlds upon worlds apart and their expectations for another couple of years or so are very very low.
Couple of things on the game. Mayo's setup, professionalism in warm up, discipline compared to Galway's was on a different level also. Galway's body language and warm up was like a club intermediate team.
Same in terms of physicality. Apart from a couple of Galway lads the Mayo fellas are streets ahead physically and the conditioning of the 'smaller' lads was even a shock. In fairness the Mayo team have been longer on the road and it does take time.
The mistakes for the Mayo goals were abysmal. Lot of talk about the pressure Mayo put on and was impressive but for 2-2 in the first half I felt the initial mistakes were totally unforced and were to do with casualness, attitude and lack of intensity. To me they were not even a direct result of hard pressure although admittedly other scores were and Mayo are really improving in this area.
Galway - do not know where we go from here this year. Mayo - a fine side whose supporters will have deservedly enjoyed yesterday but as a team learned nothing, didn't get tested and if they don't get it against Roscommon or in a final will be wide open on QF day.
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
So, Mayo are after winning against Galway in their own backyard and not one word of well done to Mayo from anyone else other than the Galway bucks. Not a whole lot to add myself really, I was just surprised at how good Mayo were, apart from that 10 min spell early on in second half when they kinda knew they had it won by then. As Mayo4Sam said, there were a few balls that should have been placed better when on top, but I suppose we weren't even punished for those mistakes. Boyle my motm too ballinaman, was brilliant.
Well at least we know who we're playing next, Galway - (I felt for their fans yesterday), have a 6 week break and their spirit will be quashed after that. It's going to be a hard slog of a summer for them, if they get a summer at all that is.
jaysu your well on you way to grumpy old man status.
Its was as good a victory as mayo could have hoped for .
there are enough bad days
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
just futher proof that Joe Brolly is a bollix. Meehan is twice the footballer Brolly ever was
belleaqua, GalwayBayBoy, seafoid et al.
Fair play. It's never easy being on the end of that, (god how we know that), shows a fair bit of courage and humility to even come on this thread.
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Didn't think he had singled anyone in particular out but more judged them as a team having "all flash and no substance".
His actual comment was that "Galway are clearly not serious about their football." Now he got pulled for it which is right enough as on its own that's a ridiculous comment.
I think what he meant to say is that in terms of conditioning, discipline etc. they are not doing what is required at this level and to be honest I think that's a fair point.
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Didn't think he had singled anyone in particular out but more judged them as a team having "all flash and no substance".
His actual comment was that "Galway are clearly not serious about their football." Now he got pulled for it which is right enough as on its own that's a ridiculous comment.
I think what he meant to say is that in terms of conditioning, discipline etc. they are not doing what is required at this level and to be honest I think that's a fair point.
That's what I took from it too.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 20, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
belleaqua, GalwayBayBoy, seafoid et al.
Fair play. It's never easy being on the end of that, (god how we know that), shows a fair bit of courage and humility to even come on this thread.
Nil uasal agus iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal.
Mayo have to win an all Ireland with this team.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 20, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Didn't think he had singled anyone in particular out but more judged them as a team having "all flash and no substance".
His actual comment was that "Galway are clearly not serious about their football." Now he got pulled for it which is right enough as on its own that's a ridiculous comment.
I think what he meant to say is that in terms of conditioning, discipline etc. they are not doing what is required at this level and to be honest I think that's a fair point.
That's what I took from it too.
I also liked the way Spillane put Mayo's success yesterday down to Donie Buckley!!
If Mayo win the All Ireland it will all be because of the Kerryman they brought in.
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Fully agree about Meehan. He is some man to still have the passion to put in the hours he needs to just to play after all he's been through. Just about the only Galway player who kept trying and trying until the moment he was took off. He should be an inspiration to the Galway team.
Impressive stuff from Mayo yesterday and great to see Andy Moran and Alan Dillon back and looking in fine fettle. I think they'll undoubtedly win Connacht now which means they'll be at the business end of the season and that puts them in with a shout of ultimate glory. From 1 to 9 Mayo match up well with any team but I still think they lack a bit of firepower to take out two or three of the other contenders which will be needed to win Sam. Still that's for another day and many fans would love to have their squad.
Was at yesterday game as neutral i was hoping for decent close game one that would give me value for money but i got the opposite, at least the nightlife in Galway hasn't lost any of it's charm. Fair play to Mayo they played the way James Horan set them out to play & every player knew his role. The most impressive part of the Mayo performance was the workrate of the forwards.
The Galway display was up there with some of our woeful championship displays. It was so bad that even London would have beaten them yesterday. So it's back to McHale park for us & not a lot will be expected from us if we deliver competitive display i'll be happy enough.
Quote from: ballinaman on May 15, 2013, 10:29:58 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on May 15, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
Mayo 3-12 Galway 1-10. Can't see Galway troubling our defence while with Hanly out we should be good for a few goals. Would have preferred to have CO'C in FF line though his distribution and vision not in doubt - Freeman may benefit from the accuracy of his passes. Good to give Coen a start - let him get experience in Connacht for the bigger battles in CP later. Expect we will see Moran and Dillon in last 10 mins when the result is not in doubt.
Must be annoying to have to log out and log back in all the time Syferus
Can't be the same poster, I enjoy Mayo Micks ramblings. Who'd have thought he'd be so far out the other way?
Couldn't glean that much from the highlights last night but Galway's "defending" was atrocious. Great result with the bodies that were missing for Mayo, a stroll to August now.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 20, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
So, Mayo are after winning against Galway in their own backyard and not one word of well done to Mayo from anyone else other than the Galway bucks. Not a whole lot to add myself really, I was just surprised at how good Mayo were, apart from that 10 min spell early on in second half when they kinda knew they had it won by then. As Mayo4Sam said, there were a few balls that should have been placed better when on top, but I suppose we weren't even punished for those mistakes. Boyle my motm too ballinaman, was brilliant.
Well at least we know who we're playing next, Galway - (I felt for their fans yesterday), have a 6 week break and their spirit will be quashed after that. It's going to be a hard slog of a summer for them, if they get a summer at all that is.
jaysu your well on you way to grumpy old man status.
Its was as good a victory as mayo could have hoped for .
there are enough bad days
True. :D
Quote from: ballinaman on May 20, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 20, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on May 20, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Also just wanted to address a comment I heard last night when I watched back the live coverage of the game. Joe Brolly when asked about Meehan and Armstrong said something along the lines of 'all flash and no substance' and then proceeded to say 'football does not seem to be the number one priority'
It was the most infuriating and disrespectful comment to make based on pure ignorance. Michael Meehan should not be playing football. He has no cartilage in his ankle. He does not do any running for his fitness because he cant. He can only use a bike and aqua jog. According to the Times yesterday and talking to fellas around about me at the match he is on painkillers to play and will be this week to cope with the pain from the exertion yesterday. He initially got injured over 3 years ago and has spent that time coming back over and over just to play football for Galway. If that's not number 1 priority I don't know what is.
I know less about Armstrong but the man is injured alot too and some fella on the telly should not make a flippant comment like that and not be pulled up on it. We saw the relief and deserved celebration from Andy Moran yesterday and he has been out for 10 months and all the hard work paid off. Meehan has been the vast bulk of the past 3 years doing the exact same and comments like that must be hard to take.
Disgraceful stuff.
Didn't think he had singled anyone in particular out but more judged them as a team having "all flash and no substance".
His actual comment was that "Galway are clearly not serious about their football." Now he got pulled for it which is right enough as on its own that's a ridiculous comment.
I think what he meant to say is that in terms of conditioning, discipline etc. they are not doing what is required at this level and to be honest I think that's a fair point.
That's what I took from it too.
The not taking football serious comment was half time and after the game. Watched it back there again now on sky player. The comments about Armstrong and Meehan were made before the game. The teams were in the parade and Lyster mentioned Armstrong and Meehan and that was his response.
When the great Michael Meehan was down injured in the 2nd half
A Galway 'supporter ' sitting behind me said,and I quote "thank f**k
and I hope he never wears the Galway jersey again"......now what is
a pig like that adding to the Galway cause?
Quote from: sans pessimism on May 20, 2013, 06:21:31 PM
When the great Michael Meehan was down injured in the 2nd half
A Galway 'supporter ' sitting behind me said,and I quote "thank f**k
and I hope he never wears the Galway jersey again"......now what is
a pig like that adding to the Galway cause?
Don't think there is anyway of understanding that mindset I am afraid. You get all sorts!
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
You do great stuff documenting the games, MM. It'll really be something to look back on as an Rchive builds up.
Oh, and sorrry about my mate Mayo Mick. Lovely lad, though 8)
Quote from: ross4life on May 20, 2013, 05:24:11 PM
The Galway display was up there with some of our woeful championship displays. It was so bad that even London would have beaten them
Connacht championship is very unfair on us this year -
Sligo, Leitrim and Mayo get warm up games but we have to go in cold. ;D
Any chance we could get Kilkenny in for us to play.
It's the only way we'll get a win in Connacht this year as we'll be very lucky to keep the ball kicked out on 16th June. :(
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
Serious questions must be raised about Mulholland. Two games against Sligo and Mayo in consecutive years and 6 goals conceded (and it could have been more). You could have driven a bus through the centre of the Galway defence yesterday and not hit anyone. Strength and conditioning wise they were light years behind Mayo. Granted a Mayo side that is longer on the road and has 3 years of hard strength and conditioning work put in. The Galway U-21's from 2011 physically don't look any different now than they did then. Many of them are still quite scrawny and physically were unprepared to face a top division 1 side in championship. That said there is no way they should be losing a game that badly. I don't care if Mulholland had to put 14 men in defence for the first 20 minutes, just to settle them down, but it was criminal to leave a full-back line containing a 21, 22 and 21 year old so exposed. And it was the same against Sligo last year. As great as his underage record has been, Mulholland has to be judged now on his senior record and so far it has been appalling.
Congrats to Mayo. They did a very professional job. They'll certainly be there or thereabouts in August. All those Galway players can do now is store it in the memory banks for when the shoe will be on the other foot. Although that may still be a while off.
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
You do great stuff documenting the games, MM. It'll really be something to look back on as an Rchive builds up.
Oh, and sorrry about my mate Mayo Mick. Lovely lad, though 8)
I'm all confused, two Mayo Micks or is Syferus talking to himself again? Galway a poor side made Mayo a good side look great.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2013, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
You do great stuff documenting the games, MM. It'll really be something to look back on as an Rchive builds up.
Oh, and sorrry about my mate Mayo Mick. Lovely lad, though 8)
I'm all confused, two Mayo Micks or is Syferus talking to himself again? Galway a poor side made Mayo a good side look great.
One mayo.mick, and another Mayo Mick. :)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
Serious questions must be raised about Mulholland. Two games against Sligo and Mayo in consecutive years and 6 goals conceded (and it could have been more). You could have driven a bus through the centre of the Galway defence yesterday and not hit anyone. Strength and conditioning wise they were light years behind Mayo. Granted a Mayo side that is longer on the road and has 3 years of hard strength and conditioning work put in. The Galway U-21's from 2011 physically don't look any different now than they did then. Many of them are still quite scrawny and physically were unprepared to face a top division 1 side in championship. That said there is no way they should be losing a game that badly. I don't care if Mulholland had to put 14 men in defence for the first 20 minutes, just to settle them down, but it was criminal to leave a full-back line containing a 21, 22 and 21 year old so exposed. And it was the same against Sligo last year. As great as his underage record has been, Mulholland has to be judged now on his senior record and so far it has been appalling.
Congrats to Mayo. They did a very professional job. They'll certainly be there or thereabouts in August. All those Galway players can do now is store it in the memory banks for when the shoe will be on the other foot. Although that may still be a while off.
Hard to argue with any of that. The most concerned part being that the under 21s from 2 years ago don't seem to have pushed on physically at all at all. You would nearly take it for granted in this day and age that they are on strength and conditioning programmes but the questioned must be asked now are they? And if so they need reviewing fast.
I don't think Bradshaw should be given the captains armband again after yesterday. It was stupid and deserved as they were wild swings and 2 minutes into the 2nd half. Coleman's was a bit harmless but stupid. Dillion made an awful meal of it though having barrelled into him with a high tackle just before it off the ball.
Serious questions now for Mulholland. No plan, no development and wild naivety. I won't go back on my earlier comments that the talent is not there. I stand by that. However I don't think any county should be getting a 17 point hiding in Championship anymore. As slack and all as the options may be I think he could have devised a strategy that kept us competitive for 50 minutes, kept the score low and retained some pride.
I hate the managerial merry go rounds that have gone on but only he truthfully knows what more he can offer. His comments last week about being true to Galway's tradition and not playing 'a modern game' now seem like getting the excuses in early rather than his dedicated philosophy. I think that this notion or romantic ideal doing the rounds of an almost Barcelona-esque style of play in footballing terms is getting a bit ridiculous and is a cop out for poor performances. 'Oh we are true to our style and tradition so its ok to get the sh*te bet out of us really and lose to Antrim and Wexford on a yearly basis.'
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
Nice one Mick.
What a great 24 hours that was!
To borrow rugby parlance the difference in the teams was the levels of intensity. And while Mayo could easily get beaten on any given day, such is the beauty of the knock-out format, you would expect that only teams that play at that level of intensity (or higher) are likely to beat us. Unfortunately for us there are a few such teams out there, Dublin and Donegal being the main two with Cork, Kerry and Tyrone definitely operating at that level.
Galway didn't know what to do with our high pressing game and some of the work of the forwards was amazing. When the turnovers arrived it was fantastic to see how quickly we turned them into scores. The O'Sheas did as they usually do and gave us a great platform in the middle, even though Galway played with at least 3 men there. I was impressed with Cummins for Galway and it was quickly obvious why Cunniffe was picked ahead of Keane. We may see a horses for courses approach to team selection in the backs this year and it will be interesting to watch that develop and Keane and McHale can certainly do jobs while Cunniffe's pace is a serious asset.
I would have given MOM to Boyle who was astonishing in winning 50/50 ball. I assume Caff was injured as he was his usual solid self before his substitution. Higgins burst of speed at the end showed why some of us would like to see him in the half-back line while Donal Vaughan must have the biggest engine of any player these days. We met him after the match with his family and I have to say what a modest, unassuming and extremely nice fella he is.
COC is becoming the main man for us nowadays and he was involved in most if not all of the goals. Dillon played very well, it was hard to believe he has played so little recently, while McLoughlin is a genius at positioning himself for the breaking ball although it was obvious that Aidan O'Shea was cleverly knocking a lot of ball down to him in favour of trying for the spectacular catch. Carolan is well worth his place and while I have been critical of Varley in the past, he had a very good outing yesterday. I would have left Freeman on. He did a lot of work for little reward and I was hoping a goal or a few points would come his way to boost his confidence.
Andy Moran coming on was a big plus and he showed how much it meant to him. Feeney did what he now invariably does and will feature as usual.
Clarke made the save when we needed it and there was a big improvement in the kickouts. I wonder did Galway not target us here or have we finally cracked it?
I thought the ref killed the game in the 2nd half and it wasn't surprising the intensity went out of it after the 2 red cards. Hard to know where to go from here for Galway. I saw Mullholland quoted as saying he might give the team 2 weeks off. I wouldn't be giving them 2 weeks off, they should be chomping at the bit to get back to work and to restore some pride in themselves and their county.
Finally, Galway, what a great town. Good craic with the Galway supporters afterwards as always and in what other sports would you get to have a drink with one of the players and his family after a big match? (Note 1: He was on the orange) (Note 2: I wasn't on the orange)
I thought an interesting aside yesterday was Tom Cunniffe and one of the Galway midfielders (over the far side so couldn't see) running full tilt and into each other, both bounced, that's a corner back against a midfielder. If it was one of the O'Sheas he'd have put him down to the prom, huge difference in physicality
Didn't even enjoy yesterday and I've a Galway missus, we've been on the end of that ourselves and its no fun and there's no enjoyment outta beating a team like that (unless its the Rossies, Meath, cork, Kerry or Dublin). I'll look forward to the days of those two Conor Mortimer finals in castlebar again.
I agree with you muppet about the number of teams that are operating with the level of high intensity.
Of course, there will be lots of naysayers and I suppose my earlier post could be described as one of them, but I hate the thought of getting too carried away. Galway were so incompetent all over the field yesterday, it looked like Ros in 09, and the proud tradition that Galway football has seemed to be washed into the sea. Mayo however, did what was asked of them. There is scope for improvement, and there (hopefully) will be a return from injury to certain key players, Barry Moran etc. All in all a great day for Mayo football, but the context of the opposition must be taken into account. Galway didn't 'man up' as was stated on the Sunday Game, they wilted as soon as Mayo got the first goal. And yes seafóid, I was thrilled with the 4 green flags Mayo raised yesterday. Andy Moran's one in particular.
Thought COC looked faster and more lively than usual yesterday. Got blocked down a couple of times, though. If he can start hitting more from play he'll be a complete player.
There is no doubting the chaos caused by a turnover high up the pitch. We seemed to heavily prioritise working for these turnovers and it certainly yielded results yesterday. It will be interesting to watch this against the Rossies.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Durcan and Magee were lamping Cillian O'Connor before the throw-in in the AIF. The umpires saw and said nothing. I suspect Mayo will have learned the hard way from that.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Quite enjoyed being described as "pigs to play against" by the Brollox.
Its so easy to blame a star player if he doesnt play well, Meehan been injured for 3yrs on and off and wouldnt be the player he was again, he playing out of position from his best position full forward. When teams dont go well some players more than others take the blame. people are very hard on paddy bradley when derry lost in the past, missing the small fact he was been double marked most of the time. Clarke didnt score for Armagh yesterday but he not getting the same scorn Meehan is on here.
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Durcan and Magee were lamping Cillian O'Connor before the throw-in in the AIF. The umpires saw and said nothing. I suspect Mayo will have learned the hard way from that.
Ye were doing everything but suplexing Sligo players in the last minutes of the Connacht final so I doubt ye learnt those lessons from Donegal.
Normally when you played the old meath team there was only one bully in town, though i think the current team get walked over by Mayo, they that soft at the minute
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Durcan and Magee were lamping Cillian O'Connor before the throw-in in the AIF. The umpires saw and said nothing. I suspect Mayo will have learned the hard way from that.
Ye were doing everything but suplexing Sligo players in the last minutes of the Connacht final so I doubt ye learnt those lessons from Donegal.
You don't appear to understand the difference do you?
Not much to add, most has been said already, was with the uncle (a Clonbur man), he mentioned on the way in, how low the Galway ebb was at the moment, he said that if Mayo didn't win by 7-10 points, we might as well forget about August in Croke Park.
There was no joy in watching that Galway team in action yesterday, Kevin Walsh was beside me yesterday, if he was in charge i'm sure we wouldn't have seen such a toothless performance, Mayo need Galway to be competitive and visa-versa.
So on to Mayo, it's early days, but we have shown intent and have laid down a marker, can't ask for much more that that in May.
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
Hmmmmmmm. Syferus also into photography big time over on the photography thread. Hmmmmmm.
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Durcan and Magee were lamping Cillian O'Connor before the throw-in in the AIF. The umpires saw and said nothing. I suspect Mayo will have learned the hard way from that.
Ye were doing everything but suplexing Sligo players in the last minutes of the Connacht final so I doubt ye learnt those lessons from Donegal.
You don't appear to understand the difference do you?
If you're going to do that shite you might as well do it at the first minute or before throw-in. You're no better sportsmen if you 'only' do it at the end.
Worked very well for Donegal in 2011 as well, sandwiched Johhny Doyle in the first minute and he away in the clouds for the rest of the day.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
Meath were bullied by Mayo in the 96 draw. In the replay the ref had to act the mammy to save their arses.
The crooked bollix. I wonder how much he cost?
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 20, 2013, 09:52:31 PM
If you're going to do that shite you might as well do it at the first minute or before throw-in. You're no better sportsmen if you 'only' do it at the end.
Worked very well for Donegal in 2011 as well, sandwiched Johhny Doyle in the first minute and he away in the clouds for the rest of the day.
Who said anything about being a better sportsman?
Doing it at the end to stop an attack which might cost you the game and a title is one thing, doing it before the throw-in is something else. Both are wrong obviously, however the former is more understandable and is not necessarily a tactic.
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
Thought COC looked faster and more lively than usual yesterday. Got blocked down a couple of times, though. If he can start hitting more from play he'll be a complete player.
I thought so too.
First time I've seen him play to his potential and I was extremely impressed by what he has to offer. He's a big lad with great positional sense and timing and he can use either foot. He has great composure under pressure and, really, I think he has all the attributes necessary to go from merely good to outstanding.
Okay, the opposition yesterday ws probably the weakest he'll come acropss this season but I was still very impressed by his determination to contest every ball that came near him and his willingness to tackle and harry all through the game.
He has upped his workrate considerably and will be one to watch in the months ahead.
Nothing much to add that has not been said already. From a Mayo point of view it was some day. Some lads at work were moaning about gettin value for money but I couldn t give a f**k. I d rather win like that or anyway rather than lose a classic like we did in 98.
For the first time in my time we have a team we can depend on to show up focused and deliver a performance when it s expected. Management has to take credit here. They dont give a shite if they re favourites or not. Hopefully we learned a few lessons from last year - especially the poor start to the final that ruined us.
We were messy enough in places which gives management ammunition to keep the players focused. Loose passes over the lines on a calm day. Not alert enough on a couple short kickouts. Giving Galway a bit of a window at start of second even though we gave up a winning lead v Dubs last semi. COC also blew a certain goal opportunity while it still mattered. It s a good thing we have stuff to do and really we are not near peaking yet.
There s a chance we ll get a scare the next day or the day after. It s been the nature of things. Win big one day - tight and dour the next. But I d rather go through the province than go on the road. Hopefully we can win easily and stay fresh, but I expect a few ropey moments yet. I don t care if we get a test or not in the province. We don t need one. We ve been in a semi and final in 2 years and they know where they need to be themselves if still around in August. I d say Horan knows his preferred 15 but there are options there if he has to replace players. Also using Cunniffe to mark Cummins yesterday is probably a move he wouldn t have done last year.
As for Galway, I dunno. The regular Galway lads on here would know my views.
If Galway wanted to play the traditional game they should have stuck with the best in the business in Liam Sammon. If Sammon could not win pretty then unlikely anybody else could. Forde tried to play a defensive game but nobody wanted to know. Deccie Meehan said in a newspaper interview that 'if we get teams out to play then we fancy ourselves'. Mullholland was also talking about being true to their tradition.
To be honest I m not too bothered. I know these things swing around more quickly than ye expect and we could be on the recieving end soon enough to Galway. I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
Was at the game yesterday, great result but Galway were awful poor. The simple mistakes they made pretty much ended any chance they had of winning. Mayo were far more intense in pretty much every they did and it's a great credit to Horan & Co to have them in that sort of shape physically & mentally. Great to see Dillon and especially Andy coming back – hopefully they'll be back to close to 100% for the Roscommon game.
Hard to criticise any of the Mayo lads after a result like that, there were a few stray passes which will be punished by better teams though. At times, there were aimless high balls lofted into the FF line which could prove costly in a tight game.
Mayo's tactic of going for short kickouts worked unbelievably well. Considering we have a midfield which you would reasonably expect to at least break even with Galway, it appeared to be a strange tactic but if it works then so be it. From a Galway point of view, Mulholland has to take the blame for doing absolutely nothing to counteract it.
I thought Vaughan did well yesterday – I think he would be better deployed as a defensive / roving half forward rather than in the half backs (with say Caff @ 6 and McHale @ 3) but that's unlikely to happen at this stage.
I recorded the Sunday game and watched some of it today, Brolly / Spillane / O'Rourke are some shower of pr*cks. Brolly didn't even know the name of the Kerry manager (although he did call both games correctly). If TV3 sports had any sort of ambition, they'd put on a rival show with a few decent analysts and blow these clowns out of the water.
First round of the championship next weekend, hopefully there will be no new injuries to report.....
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
I wouldn't agree with that - tough games teach you how to fight to win a game, if you win all your games handy, you end up getting soft and may not have the stomach when it's backs-to-the-wall time. Just look at Dublin in the mid-noughties as an example. Not saying it will happen to this Mayo team but winning tough games is better than winning easy games.
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 20, 2013, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
I wouldn't agree with that - tough games teach you how to fight to win a game, if you win all your games handy, you end up getting soft and may not have the stomach when it's backs-to-the-wall time. Just look at Dublin in the mid-noughties as an example. Not saying it will happen to this Mayo team but winning tough games is better than winning easy games.
Have to differ on it. Tough games necessary for emerging teams maybe but Mayo s priority now is avoiding injuries and getting to August with the minimum of fuss. We know where we need to be intensity wise.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 20, 2013, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 20, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Unfortunately the phrase boys against men would have to be in your mind having watched that game. Galway were physically bullied yesterday by a more seasoned mature team. Before the throw-in Johnny Duane extended his hand towards Alan Dillon for a handshake and Dillon launched a shoulder at him, knocking him to the ground. Not one of Duane's teammates came over to give Dillon even a mild dunt for his troubles and let's face it Alan Dillon isn't exactly a renowned hard man. It summed up the difference in mentality between the sides. Mayo were there for a battle. Galway for a game of football by the seaside.
If you're being bullied by a Mayo team you may as well give up.
ya cannot bate thowl cliche
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: mayo.mick on May 20, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Have all the photos from the match yesterday uploaded to my online album here; http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305 (http://pix.ie/mayomick/album/466305)
You do great stuff documenting the games, MM. It'll really be something to look back on as an Rchive builds up.
Oh, and sorrry about my mate Mayo Mick. Lovely lad, though 8)
Talking to yourself
The intensity is great but I presume it doesn't last very long. Mayo have to do it this year.
Or is it okay to wait for another year?
Re turnovers- what were they called before the rugby lingo came in ?
And 4th phase possession - is that used yet ?
You only go through the phases yet, it's hard to count them.
You win at the breakdown though, Kevin McL is very good at that.
Jinxy is there not a division three thread somewhere that you should be posting on?
The amount of pressing Mayo did high up the field was very impressive. Galway looked like a nice intermediate club team who barely won any individual battle all game. They appeared a team devoid of leaders.
What's the state of Galway club football at the moment? Speaking to a lot of people they say the standard has dropped significantly.
Well done Mayo, we deserved our hiding.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 21, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
You only go through the phases yet, it's hard to count them.
You win at the breakdown though, Kevin McL is very good at that.
Jinxy is there not a division three thread somewhere that you should be posting on?
I burned all my bridges with that thread months ago.
I can never go back.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 21, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
You only go through the phases yet, it's hard to count them.
You win at the breakdown though, Kevin McL is very good at that.
Jinxy is there not a division three thread somewhere that you should be posting on?
I burned all my bridges with that thread months ago.
I can never go back.
Don't go back Jinxy, you should never go back.
You thought you knew what fuball was, what did you know?
Mayo are the boys of summer now.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2013, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 21, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on May 21, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
You only go through the phases yet, it's hard to count them.
You win at the breakdown though, Kevin McL is very good at that.
Jinxy is there not a division three thread somewhere that you should be posting on?
I burned all my bridges with that thread months ago.
I can never go back.
Don't go back Jinxy, you should never go back.
You thought you knew what fuball was, what did you know?
Mayo are the boys of summer now.
Quality
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Who then Aidan Walsh ???????????????? I stand by my opinion....if his lung capacity improves by 10 percent A OShea will be the best midfileder on display this year
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Let me guess, Anthony Tohill?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Who then Aidan Walsh ???????????????? I stand by my opinion....if his lung capacity improves by 10 percent A OShea will be the best midfileder on display this year
Nah, I can't agree with you there.
He will be the
second best midfielder we'll see this summer.
Indications are that Barry Moran is poised to make his return.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Who then Aidan Walsh ???????????????? I stand by my opinion....if his lung capacity improves by 10 percent A OShea will be the best midfileder on display this year
Aidan Walsh, MD MacAuley, Sean Cavanagh also did Gallagher of Donegal not give him a lesson last year?
He's a good footballer and has potential to be the best Midfielder in the country if his fitness improves but he's not yet!
Quote from: DJGaliv on May 21, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
The amount of pressing Mayo did high up the field was very impressive. Galway looked like a nice intermediate club team who barely won any individual battle all game. They appeared a team devoid of leaders.
What's the state of Galway club football at the moment? Speaking to a lot of people they say the standard has dropped significantly.
Well done Mayo, we deserved our hiding.
It's been absolute rubbish, absolute drek for many years now, not just recently. You could (justifiably) blame players, structures, management, tactics, approach, discipline etc. for Sunday's debacle. However, priority A1 for the future must be to improve the standard of the domestic fare and competitions in Galway. Do this, and the rest will surely pick up.
Quote from: mouview on May 21, 2013, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on May 21, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
The amount of pressing Mayo did high up the field was very impressive. Galway looked like a nice intermediate club team who barely won any individual battle all game. They appeared a team devoid of leaders.
What's the state of Galway club football at the moment? Speaking to a lot of people they say the standard has dropped significantly.
Well done Mayo, we deserved our hiding.
It's been absolute rubbish, absolute drek for many years now, not just recently. You could (justifiably) blame players, structures, management, tactics, approach, discipline etc. for Sunday's debacle. However, priority A1 for the future must be to improve the standard of the domestic fare and competitions in Galway. Do this, and the rest will surely pick up.
The standard of Mayo club football as poor now as I can remember, but maybe some lads from the clubs on top now might have something to say about that.
Well that was a pleasant surprise for Mayo folk anyway. I was one of the man Mayo fans who were expecting a tight game along with worrying where the scores would come from our inside line. Well the lads fairly put those issues to bed on style. It was a funny sort of a a match and while I have read widely about the death of Galway football I think it's a little easy to write off a team after one bad day at the office.
There were a heap of positives for Mayo in the match like Andy's return , the workrate of the forwards , Kevin Mac back to his best along with Dillion , Varley and Freeman stepping up to the mark etc.... They main things that caught my eye were a couple of things. First Cillian O Connor at 11 seems to be on a steady upward graph. I was buoyed by his distribution in the league semi final which had improved even more on Sunday and the way when he got a second chance to put in Varley he executed perfectly after realising his mistake just minutes earlier. I loved the way the O' Shea brothers broke the ball in a pre planned way for McLoughlin and for the most part they moved the ball on in possession at speed rather than taking too much out of the ball around the middle. Freeman's selflessness in providing a target for the inside line and his distribution was good once he won possession.
There were a couple of negatives with too many silly turnovers especially after we had just turned over possession form good tackling is still a problem. Also at times our movement in the full forward line was very static and this led to hail Mary ball pumped too long over the end line or into the corner over the side line. Again these are recurring problems we need to sort if we are to be contenders come Sept. The full back line looked a little hesitant under the high ball watching the man rather than the ball but adjusted pretty quickly and tightened up well but this is still a slight concern as well.
Lastly to the Galway lads while it was a terrible day at the office the positives are you have 6 weeks to the qualifer and this is where Mulholland can rescue his team. Meehan still has enough class to contribute 7 or 8 scores a game if given some decent ball. Danny Cummins looks yet another classy Galway inside forward who won his own ball well, looked dangerous when he got turned and never gave up throughout the game. Conroy didn't have one of his better days but again has that touch of class and was starved of ball all day which added t his frustration. Armstrong got through a load of work which went unrewarded and definitely has the ability to play the link man in a more defensive set up.Midfield and the backs are the major concerns for the next day. The suicide short passing has to be abandoned. if Finian Hanley comes back in at 3 he will provide a solid base. I would move Jonny Duane to wing back and put Forde in the corner. Also I would drop the wing forwards back deep to protect the backs and play only two inside men. I think Flynn and O Curainn should man the middle for the next day too.
would not worry too much about galway football.
structure are obviously sound with underage sucess being proof of that but sonior Football i now a long process of getting players conditoned to their maximun potential. and the on ehting thats stops that from happing is chopping and changing managers and players . Fiontain Currain and Thomas Flynn have a long way to go in that regard but have unlimited potential.
I think it was all just a year too soo and no one picked up on P joyces leadership vacumn, but given a chance Talent will out in fact being such a young team could we see Galway taking a different attitude to the qualifiers?
Senior club teams in parts of the country are training as professionally as inter-county sides. I don't think that's the case in Galway.
I imagine the rise in lads heading to Dublin for jobs would raise the standard of club football in Dublin, and significantly reduce it in Galway. Is this contributing to Dublin's significant improvement - more lads from all over the country moving there for work and playing football?
A young fancy dan team is one that could do well in the qualifiers. Lets face it, if you don't learn lessons from a hiding like that you never will.
You're right regarding leadership vacuum rosnarun. Also losing Finian Hanley at full back was a far bigger blow than people had imagined.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 21, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
Who then Aidan Walsh ???????????????? I stand by my opinion....if his lung capacity improves by 10 percent A OShea will be the best midfileder on display this year
That's an unusually specific requirement.
Walsh is more skilful but O'Shea is the more effective midfielder. If You had to only have one it'd be O'Shea for me because he's nearly unstoppable in the air and can single-handily provide a platform for his forwards. He is the prototype for what teams want out of a midfielder.
Good gasún Syfín- keep building them up ;D ;D
Michael Finneran will test OShea the next day, moreso than the 2 Galway bucks did together on Sunday.
Would karl Mannion not be a better midfielder than O`Shea. Out of all the midfielders around Murphy out of carlow is the best but he past his career unheralded as carlow are so poor these days. There was big talk of heslin out of westmeath but i thought he was very poor against patsy bradley in the league final.
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
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Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
I wouldn't agree with that - tough games teach you how to fight to win a game, if you win all your games handy, you end up getting soft and may not have the stomach when it's backs-to-the-wall time. Just look at Dublin in the mid-noughties as an example. Not saying it will happen to this Mayo team but winning tough games is better than winning easy games.
Have to differ on it. Tough games necessary for emerging teams maybe but Mayo s priority now is avoiding injuries and getting to August with the minimum of fuss. We know where we need to be intensity wise.
I wonder how Mayo would have fared v Cork,Dublin (defending All Ireland champions) the last two years without the competitive Connacht finals. A stroll in the park like last Sunday is no use to Mayo it was more about Galway been poor than anything else. I think Mayo learn more about themselves when they come through tough battles in Connacht and the best preparation for August football is to get at least one tough game in Connacht.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 21, 2013, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 20, 2013, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
I wouldn't agree with that - tough games teach you how to fight to win a game, if you win all your games handy, you end up getting soft and may not have the stomach when it's backs-to-the-wall time. Just look at Dublin in the mid-noughties as an example. Not saying it will happen to this Mayo team but winning tough games is better than winning easy games.
Have to differ on it. Tough games necessary for emerging teams maybe but Mayo s priority now is avoiding injuries and getting to August with the minimum of fuss. We know where we need to be intensity wise.
I wonder how Mayo would have fared v Cork,Dublin (defending All Ireland champions) the last two years without the competitive Connacht finals. A stroll in the park like last Sunday is no use to Mayo it was more about Galway been poor than anything else. I think Mayo learn more about themselves when they come through tough battles in Connacht and the best preparation for August football is to get at least one tough game in Connacht.
Mayo s wins in Croke Park last 2 years were miles ahead in intensity than anything they produced in Connacht those years. That did not happen by chance. The team was prepared to reach and peak in August.
In division 1 during the league most teams tackled and harried our backs more than Galway could do in a Championship match. And don t let people be codding themselves. That Galway team would still play good football if they were let. But they re not used that kind of pressure being applied and couldn t apply it themselves because it is not the way they play. It doesn t happen at U21 and it doesn t happen in Div2.
Now we could well get a tough game the next day. Especially if management gamble with peaking 6 weeks later, which they have to do. Tough games now don t count. Avoiding defeat and injuries are Mayo s priorities imo.
Quote from: babarino on May 19, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 19, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
Its about time they got rid of brolly on rte, never shuts the f**k up and no-one get the word in
I know he can be annoying but he got it right today. Before throw in in Cavan he said that Armagh were disorganised and that proved to be the case.
The Galway Mayo game was easier to call but Galway are clearly a side that don't have serious intent.
Brolly views seemed ok. Jez, O´Rourke hates Mayo. No offence to Galway but they had absolutely no form going into this game. For him and Spillane to pick Galway no matter how bad Mayo injury problems were, was a joke! And then the Comment from Spillane that Mayo should have scored 10 goals and 100 points to show how good a team Mayo were beggars belief.
Anyway, I enjoyed our win but not so much the margin. This i fear will have damaged Galwayś year. Losing two players to yellow cards does not help either. Mulholland has a tough job and if he goes into the next game with the we have nothing to lose attitude, then they are totally fecked.
Well done to a fully focused Mayo team who no matter what they did will get slated. But sure were used to that. To all the Galway people who commented to me so far this week
now go on an win an All Ireland, sure we will do our best! ;)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
Would karl Mannion not be a better midfielder than O`Shea. Out of all the midfielders around Murphy out of carlow is the best but he past his career unheralded as carlow are so poor these days. There was big talk of heslin out of westmeath but i thought he was very poor against patsy bradley in the league final.
Wasted Played at FF for most of the game against Westmeath the last day as far as I know
Jaysis lads, I don't want poor Big Mike on the Mayo Hulk. Much better match-up for him is Barry Moran who I'm assuming will be fit in four weeks' time. Maybe we can try distracting AOS by having Cake running up and down the sideline?
Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 21, 2013, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 20, 2013, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on May 20, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
I also don t subscribe to the notion we need to be strong for each other or anybody else either. The important thing in the championship now is to be alive in August and the cushier way you get there the better.Connacht dominance is a means to an end any more and as such is still important.
I wouldn't agree with that - tough games teach you how to fight to win a game, if you win all your games handy, you end up getting soft and may not have the stomach when it's backs-to-the-wall time. Just look at Dublin in the mid-noughties as an example. Not saying it will happen to this Mayo team but winning tough games is better than winning easy games.
Have to differ on it. Tough games necessary for emerging teams maybe but Mayo s priority now is avoiding injuries and getting to August with the minimum of fuss. We know where we need to be intensity wise.
I wonder how Mayo would have fared v Cork,Dublin (defending All Ireland champions) the last two years without the competitive Connacht finals. A stroll in the park like last Sunday is no use to Mayo it was more about Galway been poor than anything else. I think Mayo learn more about themselves when they come through tough battles in Connacht and the best preparation for August football is to get at least one tough game in Connacht.
Mayo s wins in Croke Park last 2 years were miles ahead in intensity than anything they produced in Connacht those years. That did not happen by chance. The team was prepared to reach and peak in August.
In division 1 during the league most teams tackled and harried our backs more than Galway could do in a Championship match. And don t let people be codding themselves. That Galway team would still play good football if they were let. But they re not used that kind of pressure being applied and couldn t apply it themselves because it is not the way they play. It doesn t happen at U21 and it doesn t happen in Div2.
Now we could well get a tough game the next day. Especially if management gamble with peaking 6 weeks later, which they have to do. Tough games now don t count. Avoiding defeat and injuries are Mayo s priorities imo.
Peaking yourself physically for August football is what all the top sides do however form can't be turned on or off like a switch and most need a good competitive test before the bigger games ahead. IMO Going into the last eight having strolled through the Connacht championship isn't the best preparations for All Ireland quarter final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
Would karl Mannion not be a better midfielder than O`Shea. Out of all the midfielders around Murphy out of carlow is the best but he past his career unheralded as carlow are so poor these days. There was big talk of heslin out of westmeath but i thought he was very poor against patsy bradley in the league final.
Surprised there s no takers on that.
Quote from: moysider on May 21, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
Would karl Mannion not be a better midfielder than O`Shea. Out of all the midfielders around Murphy out of carlow is the best but he past his career unheralded as carlow are so poor these days. There was big talk of heslin out of westmeath but i thought he was very poor against patsy bradley in the league final.
Surprised there s no takers on that.
Sure greatness speaks for itself 8)
For me the result was never in doubt here. Mayo first of all have been incredibly consistent at a high level over the last few years. In James Horan they've a manager who is intelligent, ruthless and detached from any sentiment as regards romantic local derbies between themselves and the tribesmen. He said as much in his post match interview.
The Mayo panel themselves are a modern top 4 outfit. They are strength/conditioned to an extremely high level. They are mentally tough & resilient as evidenced in how they responded to a disasterous start v Donegal in last year's AI final. Most of all they are ambitious and willing to make the sacrifices necessary in order to place themselves in the best possible position to win Sam. I have huge respect for them for those reasons and (with the realistic acceptance that the Rossies wont) I really hope they get over the line next September.
Whilst the result was never in doubt for me the manner in which Galway "resisted" was. Despite being a Rossie I'm of Galway parents and live in the county and like many neutrals admire their style of football circa 98/01 etc. I genuinely feel sorry for their manager and especially for their debutant young players last Sunday.
I'm not sure that what they expected from Mayo. I wouldn't be as critical of them tactically as I would of them spirit/fight wise. They looked like rabbits caught in headlights (especially defensively) as if they were surprised by the rhubard physicality. I really don't know why they weren't ready for this even if they were never going to win the match.
Mulholland himself was a tough no nonsense defender in his day. He has achieved tremendous underage success at minor and u-21 level with his county at a relatively young age for a manager. He comes across as an intelligent man and should now know that he will have to delegate significant responsibillty to a serious strength and conditioning coach in order to bring the Fintan O'Currains etc up to the physical requirements of the modern game. He shouldn't have to depart too far from the traditional Galway football philosophy. If Galway get a grip on an opponent they always have the footballers capable of finishing them off (as a Rossie I'm all too painfully aware of this fact after last year in the Hyde).
Mayo on top of all the attributes I've listed above have a mean, cynical streak in them. That's not by way of criticism... it's a pre requisite of a current day winning mentality. They were without Barry Moran (better fielder than the 2 O'Se's ), Michael Conroy (their most naturally scoring forward), Andy Moran (their spiritual leader who's last 10 min cameo hinted at what he will do to many defenses this season as he recovers from his injury with every passing day) and (despite his influential display) Dillon is only recovering from injury and by his standards still rusty. Scary prospect for the Rossies down the road but at least we've been warned!
Quote from: ross matt on May 23, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Scary prospect for the Rossies down the road but at least we've been warned!
Scary indeed Matt but let's hope our lads fight to the last whistle anyway no matter what the scoreboard says.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: ross matt on May 23, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Scary prospect for the Rossies down the road but at least we've been warned!
Scary indeed Matt but let's hope our lads fight to the last whistle anyway no matter what the scoreboard says.
I hope it's not like the one in Ballyhaunis they have to whack with hurleys to get working.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 23, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: ross matt on May 23, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
Scary prospect for the Rossies down the road but at least we've been warned!
Scary indeed Matt but let's hope our lads fight to the last whistle anyway no matter what the scoreboard says.
+1 Rossfan. But I think we will. Fore warned is fore armed.
Again my apologies for the delay, here's my tactical analysis of Mayo's big win over Galway http://action81.com/blog/?p=7269
Blow for Galway as Gareth Bradshaw departs football panel.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/galway-gareth-bradshaw-933681-Jun2013/ (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/galway-gareth-bradshaw-933681-Jun2013/)
Think he should have stayed until the end of the Campaign, especially as he is a Senior player. Ok so he is out for the next game. But if Galway won, they might get some momentum and confidence. More than ever they need unity at this time!
Bad Call in my opinion.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 01, 2013, 11:59:04 AM
Blow for Galway as Gareth Bradshaw departs football panel.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/galway-gareth-bradshaw-933681-Jun2013/ (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/galway-gareth-bradshaw-933681-Jun2013/)
Think he should have stayed until the end of the Campaign, especially as he is a Senior player. Ok so he is out for the next game. But if Galway won, they might get some momentum and confidence. More than ever they need unity at this time!
Bad Call in my opinion.
I'm usually careful to not criticise a player for leaving or the like because they are amateurs but Bradshaw really let his team down as captain the last day with his antics. He did kinda owe Galway this one.
Hard to comment when we don't know what's going on in the background but it appears a very poor decision from Bradshaw. In saying that, and not to beat a too familiar drum, but the championship format, season is the problem.
I think the only thing that can be taken as fact is that he has decided to leave the panel.
At this stage, anything else is pure speculation.
If rumours are true and he does rejoin the panel later, if Galway survive the first round of the qualifiers, it could be that he is opting out for personal reasons.
Not giving out about the lad really. I know he's an amateur, so he owes no one anything. Just think he could have stuck it out for a few weeks.
May be going abroad for the summer I think. Perhaps less to the story than is thought really.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 21, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
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fair play to Mayo, a hungry savage performance............................. A OShea is the best midfielder in the country at the moment
No he's not!
indeed the dub bucko was spot on the
Who then Aidan Walsh ???????????????? I stand by my opinion....if his lung capacity improves by 10 percent A OShea will be the best midfileder on display this year
Now bucko was i wrong ;-)
A lot of ladeens were getting all in a flutter when I called it leading into the season. There can be little doubt he's the best in the country now.
Indeed a monsters display and i am correct in my analysis of 10 percentile lung capacity improvement
Yes thanks for bringing this up to the top again. :-\
:-[
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 05, 2013, 02:22:51 AM
Yes thanks for bringing this up to the top again. :-\
It's looking alright now, you're only one point worse than both Cork and the All-Ireland champions.
Roscommon still way out in front, though.