This list is by no means exhaustive, so if you can think of any more incidents, I urge you to contact me.
1. They did not instigate an era of negative, cynical football.
2. They never eye gouged Colm Cooper in the 2005 final when he was running riot.
3. They did not participate in a particularly infamous league game against Dublin in 2006.
4. Their club Derrytresk's players and supporters did not behave disgustingly in an All-Ireland club semi-final some years ago.
5. Seán Cavanagh never dragged down anyone from Monaghan or elsewhere when he was in on goal with a game in the balance.
6. Because other teams are cynical, however less often than Tyrone, then any cynical behaviour from Tyrone is not of importance. Not that they are cynical, in fact they aren't!
7. Their Under-21's did nothing out of the way to an outraged Tipperary side this year.
8. A Donegal minor crying after a game they won by six points? Don't look at Tyrone, nothing to do with them gov!
9. Their admittedly very good performance against Monaghan was in no way soured by horrible, cynical behaviour thereafter. Tiernan McCann was not even playing, if anyone asks.
10. Their supporters have never, ever condoned cynical, dirty behaviour. That's why they support TYRONE!
How incredibly immature!
Grow up son! ;)
Tir Eoghain abu
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on August 08, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
How incredibly immature!
Grow up son! ;)
Tir Eoghain abu
No, I have a moral compass.
Judging by your posts its pointing south!
;)
What a flute.
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not one single original or interesting thought. Complete pointless flute
Why would it need to be original? You still haven't taken in the original point!
Lost today
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Come on lad. What county are you from?
Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
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Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
You are a Kilkenny man that loves Liam Hayes and hates Tyrone?
Everybody hates Tyrone, including those people in Kilkenny who know anything about them.
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Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
You are a Kilkenny man that loves Liam Hayes and hates Tyrone?
Kilkenny man that loves hurling AND football. Hates Kerry and Tyrone. Issue?
Quote from: Darby on August 09, 2015, 12:33:05 AM
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Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
You are a Kilkenny man that loves Liam Hayes and hates Tyrone?
Kilkenny man that loves hurling AND football. Hates Kerry and Tyrone. Issue?
Gesundheit.
But why Liam Hayes?
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Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
You are a Kilkenny man that loves Liam Hayes and hates Tyrone?
Kilkenny man that loves hurling AND football. Hates Kerry and Tyrone. Issue?
Gesundheit.
But why Liam Hayes?
He ain't a Kerry fan
My knowledge on hurling is fairly limited but didnt one of your players connect with a referee on AI final day?
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
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Great photo of supporters scouring Meath / Kilkenny for footballers....
Got beaten by an inferior Kerry side in a big game in Croke Park in the past 15 years.
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
It's not an unknown reason. He feels a dj in RTE mocked the death of his daughter. Tyrone people are no different from any other county.
Quote from: Darby on August 09, 2015, 12:16:31 AM
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Been on the wrong end of a Nigel Pearson rant. Tyrone people are flexible enough to put their heads in the sand.
iam sure there are nice people in Tyrone,but the way they play football is disgusting,their minors against Donegal,their u21s against absolute tramps.And the seniors,where would you start?Darby your only telling the truth lad
We've arrived, once again! :D
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
Ah I see.
Then why not blame the State?
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Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
Ah I see.
Then why not blame the State?
Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.
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Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
Ah I see.
Then why not blame the State?
Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.
Do you think the broadcaster has a single mind, or even minds, that decide everything that is to be broadcast? Do you honestly think that such a mind set out to 'deliver a very low blow' because of Brian Carthy? Why didn't they do it to anyone else who supported Carthy?
This is not to defend the crassness of the segment on the John Murray show.
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
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Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
Ah I see.
Then why not blame the State?
Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.
Do you think the broadcaster has a single mind, or even minds, that decide everything that is to be broadcast? Do you honestly think that such a mind set out to 'deliver a very low blow' because of Brian Carthy? Why didn't they do it to anyone else who supported Carthy?
This is not to defend the crassness of the segment on the John Murray show.
Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:46:28 PM
Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.
It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant.
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass. However his reaction has made him appear to be the story.
This is not unusual. Alan Shatter, Donald Trump, Tiarnan McCann are all recent example of people who felt that they were somehow wronged, but their reactions instantly turned everything on it head.
Muppet, you are on a complete loser here. Harte was treated poorly by RTÉ and has every right not to make himself available for interview. Comparing him to Trump does you no credit.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:46:28 PM
Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.
It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant.
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass. However his reaction has made him appear to be the story.
This is not unusual. Alan Shatter, Donald Trump, Tiarnan McCann are all recent example of people who felt that they were somehow wronged, but their reactions instantly turned everything on it head.
His "reaction" has been to withdraw from any perceived obligations with RTE, he has done it quite privately and it's others who make an issue of it.
Muppet by name ::) ::)
Quote from: Catch and Kick on August 09, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: Darby on August 09, 2015, 12:16:31 AM
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Great photo of supporters scouring Meath / Kilkenny for footballers....
I'd say Kilkenny people are pretty ok with not having footballers...
Quote from: armaghniac on August 09, 2015, 09:11:58 PM
Muppet, you are on a complete loser here. Harte was treated poorly by RTÉ and has every right not to make himself available for interview. Comparing him to Trump does you no credit.
On a complete loser? Really? Who decides? Ulster posters?
RTE goes on perfectly well without Harte and will continue to do so.
Harte meanwhile sticks out like a sore thumb in contrast to other managers.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:46:28 PM
Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.
It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant.
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass. However his reaction has made him appear to be the story.
This is not unusual. Alan Shatter, Donald Trump, Tiarnan McCann are all recent example of people who felt that they were somehow wronged, but their reactions instantly turned everything on it head.
His "reaction" has been to withdraw from any perceived obligations with RTE, he has done it quite privately and it's others who make an issue of it.
Like yourself?
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Harte meanwhile sticks out like a sore thumb in contrast to other managers.
By winning while over-achieving???
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Harte meanwhile sticks out like a sore thumb in contrast to other managers.
By winning while over-achieving???
Yea, that is it all right.
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
Ah I see.
Then why not blame the State?
Because it was in issue with the broadcaster who delivered avery low blow against Harte over a dispute, it was personal and nasty and Harte has every right to hold his stance. Great credit to the way the players have backed him and I was delighted for the man yesterday after all he has been through.
Do you think the broadcaster has a single mind, or even minds, that decide everything that is to be broadcast? Do you honestly think that such a mind set out to 'deliver a very low blow' because of Brian Carthy? Why didn't they do it to anyone else who supported Carthy?
This is not to defend the crassness of the segment on the John Murray show.
Harte was the man behind the campaign and probably the most high profile name there, it was crass and it was definitely done with a personal angle and that's the way it was taken. RTE's remorse didn't come across as genuine and I think Harte is fully justified.
Ever hear of Brian Cody?
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass.
You should have stopped typing after above. The rest of the post made no sense. Donald Trump? His reaction turns everything on its head? What does that even mean.
He didn't react, He decided to say nothing.
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass.
You should have stopped typing after above. The rest of the post made no sense. Donald Trump? His reaction turns everything on its head? What does that even mean.
He didn't react, He decided to say nothing.
He has admitted himself it is a veto.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-confirms-1866217 (http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-confirms-1866217)
When asked at the launch of the Ulster football Championship in Belfast last night whether Tyrone would again veto RTE this summer, Harte replied: "Yep, that's right. No further answer required."
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Very few people would disagree that Harte was wronged by the skit. It was beyond crass.
You should have stopped typing after above. The rest of the post made no sense. Donald Trump? His reaction turns everything on its head? What does that even mean.
He didn't react, He decided to say nothing.
That's not a reaction, it's an answer to a direct question and he looked to make as little a deal of it as possible.
Keep on digging though.
He has admitted himself it is a veto.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-confirms-1866217 (http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/tyrone-boss-mickey-harte-confirms-1866217)
When asked at the launch of the Ulster football Championship in Belfast last night whether Tyrone would again veto RTE this summer, Harte replied: "Yep, that's right. No further answer required."
A veto is not a reaction?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You guys crack me up.
Full Definition of VETO
1
: an authoritative prohibition : interdiction
2
a : a power of one department or branch of a government to forbid or prohibit finally or provisionally the carrying out of projects attempted by another department; especially : a power vested in a chief executive to prevent permanently or temporarily the enactment of measures passed by a legislature
b (1) : the exercise of such authority (2) : a message communicating the reasons of an executive and especially the president of the United States for vetoing a proposed law
Harte has decided that RTÉ interviews are not a good use of his time and let his teams do the talking on the field of play. Now you may or may not agree with this, but it is entirely his right to decide this in the circumstances.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 09, 2015, 10:24:34 PM
Harte has decided that RTÉ interviews are not a good use of his time and let his teams do the talking on the field of play. Now you may or may not agree with this, but it is entirely his right to decide this in the circumstances.
Thank you!
Finally.
Of course my right to my own opinion hasn't exactly been very obvious has it?
'Maybe you're a bit slow'
'Muppet, you are on a complete loser here.'
'Muppet by name ::) ::)'
Muppet, you have a right to your opinion, but comparing Harte to Trump went beyond a reasonable right to disagree.
If Tyrone win an All Ireland by not talking to RTE it might start a trend.
Then ye'll realise that muttering a few banalities after a game ain't that important. Brian Cody sounds like a man also ready to pull the plug.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 09, 2015, 10:24:34 PM
Harte has decided that RTÉ interviews are not a good use of his time and let his teams do the talking on the field of play. Now you may or may not agree with this, but it is entirely his right to decide this in the circumstances.
That's not why he and his players don't talk to RTE. The reason for the ban is well known
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
If Tyrone win an All Ireland by not talking to RTE it might start a trend.
Then ye'll realise that muttering a few banalities after a game ain't that important. Brian Cody sounds like a man also ready to pull the plug.
Seemed to be having a grand ould time after the Waterford game today. Harte's on an island alone.
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 01:13:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
If Tyrone win an All Ireland by not talking to RTE it might start a trend.
Then ye'll realise that muttering a few banalities after a game ain't that important. Brian Cody sounds like a man also ready to pull the plug.
Seemed to be having a grand ould time after the Waterford game today. Harte's on an island alone.
Nope. It was edge-squirming stuff. Ask him.
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
A veto is not a reaction?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You guys crack me up.
Full Definition of VETO
1
: an authoritative prohibition : interdiction
2
a : a power of one department or branch of a government to forbid or prohibit finally or provisionally the carrying out of projects attempted by another department; especially : a power vested in a chief executive to prevent permanently or temporarily the enactment of measures passed by a legislature
b (1) : the exercise of such authority (2) : a message communicating the reasons of an executive and especially the president of the United States for vetoing a proposed law
Keep digging, the discussion had changed tact to Harte not making a deal out of it as he hasn't really discussed or elaborated on his boycott of RTE. He responded to a direct question with a brief answer. You seem to have a problem following the trail of this discussion and have been looking for ways to worm yourself away from it.
You said "It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant."
Harte's reaction has been to say nothing or very little on the matter, he is quite right to not engage RTE and it's very understandable he take that stance. You seem to have a big problem with his "reaction" even though it's pretty much a non-reaction in effect and that's not even considering the fact you agree he has strong reasons to have grievances.
Harte has not made a big public issue out of this matter, he has dealt with it in a private and dignified stance and it's people like you seem to get high strung over a very understandable stance and subsequent course of action.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 01:21:20 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 01:13:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
If Tyrone win an All Ireland by not talking to RTE it might start a trend.
Then ye'll realise that muttering a few banalities after a game ain't that important. Brian Cody sounds like a man also ready to pull the plug.
Seemed to be having a grand ould time after the Waterford game today. Harte's on an island alone.
Nope. It was edge-squirming stuff. Ask him.
You must have forgotten the Marty interview after the AI final a few years ago if you think that was 'edge-squirming'.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 10, 2015, 12:15:56 AM
Muppet, you have a right to your opinion, but comparing Harte to Trump went beyond a reasonable right to disagree.
Really?
Why?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 01:24:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
A veto is not a reaction?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You guys crack me up.
Full Definition of VETO
1
: an authoritative prohibition : interdiction
2
a : a power of one department or branch of a government to forbid or prohibit finally or provisionally the carrying out of projects attempted by another department; especially : a power vested in a chief executive to prevent permanently or temporarily the enactment of measures passed by a legislature
b (1) : the exercise of such authority (2) : a message communicating the reasons of an executive and especially the president of the United States for vetoing a proposed law
Keep digging, the discussion had changed tact to Harte not making a deal out of it as he hasn't really discussed or elaborated on his boycott of RTE. He responded to a direct question with a brief answer. You seem to have a problem following the trail of this discussion and have been looking for ways to worm yourself away from it.
You said "It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant."
Harte's reaction has been to say nothing or very little on the matter, he is quite right to not engage RTE and it's very understandable he take that stance. You seem to have a big problem with his "reaction" even though it's pretty much a non-reaction in effect and that's not even considering the fact you agree he has strong reasons to have grievances.
Harte has not made a big public issue out of this matter, he has dealt with it in a private and dignified stance and it's people like you seem to get high strung over a very understandable stance and subsequent course of action.
Do you understand that all of the above is merely your opinion?
Muppet your talking shite again and got yourself backed up against a wall in a pointless feckin argument.
But then thats precisely what your always fishing for, as you relish it
Feck off to your safe the world issues.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 06:08:03 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 01:24:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
A veto is not a reaction?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You guys crack me up.
Full Definition of VETO
1
: an authoritative prohibition : interdiction
2
a : a power of one department or branch of a government to forbid or prohibit finally or provisionally the carrying out of projects attempted by another department; especially : a power vested in a chief executive to prevent permanently or temporarily the enactment of measures passed by a legislature
b (1) : the exercise of such authority (2) : a message communicating the reasons of an executive and especially the president of the United States for vetoing a proposed law
Keep digging, the discussion had changed tact to Harte not making a deal out of it as he hasn't really discussed or elaborated on his boycott of RTE. He responded to a direct question with a brief answer. You seem to have a problem following the trail of this discussion and have been looking for ways to worm yourself away from it.
You said "It is amazing how often one's reaction to being wronged, can twist everything around in an instant."
Harte's reaction has been to say nothing or very little on the matter, he is quite right to not engage RTE and it's very understandable he take that stance. You seem to have a big problem with his "reaction" even though it's pretty much a non-reaction in effect and that's not even considering the fact you agree he has strong reasons to have grievances.
Harte has not made a big public issue out of this matter, he has dealt with it in a private and dignified stance and it's people like you seem to get high strung over a very understandable stance and subsequent course of action.
Do you understand that all of the above is merely your opinion?
I think bitterness has consumed you and forced you to feel indignant about a man who was treated crassly by the state broadcaster resulting in him keeping a dignified boycott from them. Why does it bother you so much what Harte has done regards this? You're getting highly strung about it but are unable to articulate any proper rationale for it.
RTÉ may not be a hive mind when it comes to the sports department and light entertainment, but it is one when it comes to issuing statements and the statement they gave on the matter (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0805/283189-mickeyharte/) was a work of utter villainy, buried in an article primarily about the Tyrone boycott and couched in the slimy Sun-esque lingo of 'we apologise to anyone who was offended (but if you weren't offended, you know we're only apologising because we have to)'. It's not hard to see where the mentality that fought the smear of Fr Kevin Reynolds tooth-and-nail comes from. If Mickey Harte never spoke to RTÉ again, it would be too soon.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 09:58:33 AM
RTÉ may not be a hive mind when it comes to the sports department and light entertainment, but it is one when it comes to issuing statements and the statement they gave on the matter (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0805/283189-mickeyharte/) was a work of utter villainy, buried in an article primarily about the Tyrone boycott and couched in the slimy Sun-esque lingo of 'we apologise to anyone who was offended (but if you weren't offended, you know we're only apologising because we have to)'. It's not hard to see where the mentality that fought the smear of Fr Kevin Reynolds tooth-and-nail comes from. If Mickey Harte never spoke to RTÉ again, it would be too soon.
Meanwhile RTE pundits tear Tyrone to shreds. Last night Colm O'Rourke went as far as to question Tyrone people and the county and "these things follow Tyrone around like a bad smell".
Tyrone then don't have a right to reply cos of Hartes stubbornness and pig headedness. If he is manager he has a duty to speak on behalf of his team or at least put forward a spokesman, until he does they remain defenceless and wide open for criticism.
Diving, cynical play, dirty play, sledging, poor behaviour, rowdy supporters.. This is Tyrone. Tyrones silence on all of these just fuels the perception that it's all true.
Quote from: ck on August 10, 2015, 10:24:31 AM
Meanwhile RTE pundits tear Tyrone to shreds. Last night Colm O'Rourke went as far as to question Tyrone people and the county and "these things follow Tyrone around like a bad smell".
Tyrone then don't have a right to reply cos of Hartes stubbornness and pig headedness. If he is manager he has a duty to speak on behalf of his team or at least put forward a spokesman, until he does they remain defenceless and wide open for criticism.
Diving, cynical play, dirty play, sledging, poor behaviour, rowdy supporters.. This is Tyrone. Tyrones silence on all of these just fuels the perception that it's all true.
Tyrone may well be adopting a Millwall attitude that no one likes us we don't care. Constantly taking any slight on any individual as a mortal insult to the entire county doesn't seem to have done Kerry any harm (not that I think it helps either).
Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
It's not an unknown reason. And I think he's right if he feels strongly about it.
Muppet = loser, fully merits the title after his incoherent rant in this thread. Spewing out your "opinion" on a message board throwing in cheap shots, would you express this opinion in person to Harte, or for that matter any tyrone gael?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 06:28:38 AM
Muppet your talking shite again and got yourself backed up against a wall in a pointless feckin argument.
But then thats precisely what your always fishing for, as you relish it
Feck off to your safe the world issues.
The usual ad hominem but no argument from you.
Quote from: 50fiftyball on August 10, 2015, 11:22:16 AM
Muppet = loser, fully merits the title after his incoherent rant in this thread. Spewing out your "opinion" on a message board throwing in cheap shots, would you express this opinion in person to Harte, or for that matter any tyrone gael?
Cheap shots? ;D
Have you read you own post?
I disagree with Harte's veto. Big deal. Why all the vitriol?
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
I disagree with Harte's veto. Big deal. Why all the vitriol?
What is it you disagree with? Do you think GAA managers should always have to meet the press? Do you think the reasons for his boycott are not adequate?
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
I disagree with Harte's veto. Big deal. Why all the vitriol?
What is it you disagree with? Do you think GAA managers should always have to meet the press? Do you think the reasons for his boycott are not adequate?
I can't answer for muppet but I do think they should always meet the press... a lot of people do INCLUDING the Tyrone Chairperson!!! It's part of the job description and he really should do it at this stage.
I think the reasons for his boycott are OTT. Yes the show made a poor ill conceived joke. Did they mean for the offence that was taken? I doubt it. RTE made both a public and private apology so why not move on. Also it has very little to do with the RTE Sports department.
For a man of such great faith I would have thought forgiveness and reconciliation would have come into play here. . . obviously not!
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 11:52:47 AM
I disagree with Harte's veto. Big deal. Why all the vitriol?
What is it you disagree with? Do you think GAA managers should always have to meet the press? Do you think the reasons for his boycott are not adequate?
The unquestionably crass skit was on a radio programme that is now axed. That programme wasn't even a production of the RTE Sports Department but he has decided to boycott all of RTE, including RTE Sports.
His supporters seem to believe that it was all part of a big RTE conspiracy. If that is what you believe, fine.
I don't think RTE would be able to, or even bothered to, organise such a conspiracy and I believe it was simply a crass skit by a poor comedian. I'd say most of RTE had no idea about it until it blew up.
I believe the boycott is damaging Tyrone GAA at this stage. What can he possibly achieve now with it?
I see they asked Jordan what he thought of McCann dive, didn't think they should focus on 1 incident! lol, what people expect from a man who got another man sent off in an All-Ireland final!
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2015, 12:15:10 PM
For a man of such great faith I would have thought forgiveness and reconciliation would have come into play here. . . obviously not!
This a crass thing to say. It's not for you to decide to whom Mickey Harte should extend his forgiveness.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Muppet, I think that's easy for you to say. Please God none of us will be in that position, but if I were Mickey Harte, I think I'd just say 'f**k RTE' and get on with coaching Tyrone. I wonder how much of RTE's analysis of Tyrone is coloured by this boycott. Is that professional of them?
All that said, I suspect the Brian Carthy angle is another reason, and that seems far more petty. Mickey may just not like RTE. Anyway, if that's what he wants to do, and if he feels strongly about it, fair enough.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
A ludicrous comparison. You really have lost all sense of proportion here.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Muppet, I think that's easy for you to say. Please God none of us will be in that position, but if I were Mickey Harte, I think I'd just say 'f**k RTE' and get on with coaching Tyrone. I wonder how much of RTE's analysis of Tyrone is coloured by this boycott. Is that professional of them?
All that said, I suspect the Brian Carthy angle is another reason, and that seems far more petty. Mickey may just not like RTE. Anyway, if that's what he wants to do, and if he feels strongly about it, fair enough.
I don't see why it is easy for me to say.
I am guessing you would still talk to Michéal O'Mhuircheartaigh if he showed up with a tape recorder. Or would you boycott him because he is RTE?
AFAIK Brian Carthy still works for RTE. Is he boycotted as well?
Harte, like me, is entitled to his opinion. I just disagree with it and I think it does damage to Tyrone at this stage. My opinion on this doesn't matter and doesn't damage my, my employer or my team.
I agree it would be very unprofessional for pundits to change their view of Tyrone football because of the boycott. But human nature is human nature.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
A ludicrous comparison. You really have lost all sense of proportion here.
Wow. Do you think everyone is RTE should be held responsible for that skit?
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Muppet, I think that's easy for you to say. Please God none of us will be in that position, but if I were Mickey Harte, I think I'd just say 'f**k RTE' and get on with coaching Tyrone. I wonder how much of RTE's analysis of Tyrone is coloured by this boycott. Is that professional of them?
All that said, I suspect the Brian Carthy angle is another reason, and that seems far more petty. Mickey may just not like RTE. Anyway, if that's what he wants to do, and if he feels strongly about it, fair enough.
I don't see why it is easy for me to say.
I am guessing you would still talk to Michéal O'Mhuircheartaigh if he showed up with a tape recorder. Or would you boycott him because he is RTE?
AFAIK Brian Carthy still works for RTE. Is he boycotted as well?
Harte, like me, is entitled to his opinion. I just disagree with it and I think it does damage to Tyrone at this stage. My opinion on this doesn't matter and doesn't damage my, my employer or my team.
I agree it would be very unprofessional for pundits to change their view of Tyrone football because of the boycott. But human nature is human nature.
I think it's easy for you to be coldly analytic about the scope of RTE's involvement in the skit and/or the depth of Mickey's reaction to it, and that he should be able to compartmentalise. It may not be that easy for him, or he may feel it is not as isolated as you seem to think. Either way, it's easy for someone on the outside to say he should just get on with it and separate that awful sketch from the RTE sports department.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:48:27 PM
Wow. Do you think everyone is RTE should be held responsible for that skit?
No. I also don't think everyone at the Sun was responsible for The Truth headline but (amongst other reasons) I don't buy the paper because of it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Muppet, I think that's easy for you to say. Please God none of us will be in that position, but if I were Mickey Harte, I think I'd just say 'f**k RTE' and get on with coaching Tyrone. I wonder how much of RTE's analysis of Tyrone is coloured by this boycott. Is that professional of them?
All that said, I suspect the Brian Carthy angle is another reason, and that seems far more petty. Mickey may just not like RTE. Anyway, if that's what he wants to do, and if he feels strongly about it, fair enough.
I don't see why it is easy for me to say.
I am guessing you would still talk to Michéal O'Mhuircheartaigh if he showed up with a tape recorder. Or would you boycott him because he is RTE?
AFAIK Brian Carthy still works for RTE. Is he boycotted as well?
Harte, like me, is entitled to his opinion. I just disagree with it and I think it does damage to Tyrone at this stage. My opinion on this doesn't matter and doesn't damage my, my employer or my team.
I agree it would be very unprofessional for pundits to change their view of Tyrone football because of the boycott. But human nature is human nature.
I think it's easy for you to be coldly analytic about the scope of RTE's involvement in the skit and/or the depth of Mickey's reaction to it, and that he should be able to compartmentalise. It may not be that easy for him, or he may feel it is not as isolated as you seem to think. Either way, it's easy for someone on the outside to say he should just get on with it and separate that awful sketch from the RTE sports department.
Mikey Harte is a journalist himself these days and has been for a while. He uses his high profile to campaign on lots of issues. He is part of the media and uses it frequently when it suits.
He is no gombeen.
Here is a statement from around the time of the start of the boycott:
http://www.balls.ie/uncategorized/mickey-harte-and-tyrone-explain-rte-boycott/17611 (http://www.balls.ie/uncategorized/mickey-harte-and-tyrone-explain-rte-boycott/17611)
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:48:27 PM
Wow. Do you think everyone is RTE should be held responsible for that skit?
No. I also don't think everyone at the Sun was responsible for The Truth headline but (amongst other reasons) I don't buy the paper because of it.
Good analogy. I have never bought the Sun, nor will I read anything from the Sun for the same reason. In fact I should be able to watch Sun Goals as a Sky Sports customer, but I just can't bring myself to get the free app. Maybe Mickey Harte, with far stronger personal motivation, see things similarly.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:48:27 PM
Wow. Do you think everyone is RTE should be held responsible for that skit?
No. I also don't think everyone at the Sun was responsible for The Truth headline but (amongst other reasons) I don't buy the paper because of it.
Would you refuse to talk to deal with everyone who works for Murdock? Do you have Sky?
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
I don't believe there was a conspiracy against Mickey Harte. However, if you can't understand a father's rage at the organisation that poured salt into the wounds caused by the murder of his daughter then behaved afterwards as if it were no big thing, fine. I'm sure you'd be dispassionate enough to differentiate between the various parts of said organisation and work in the national interest if a similar fate ever befell you.
I be pissed off at the person who did it, certainly.
It doesn't require dispassion to see the different between the person who did something wrong, and punishing everyone in the class.
Muppet, I think that's easy for you to say. Please God none of us will be in that position, but if I were Mickey Harte, I think I'd just say 'f**k RTE' and get on with coaching Tyrone. I wonder how much of RTE's analysis of Tyrone is coloured by this boycott. Is that professional of them?
All that said, I suspect the Brian Carthy angle is another reason, and that seems far more petty. Mickey may just not like RTE. Anyway, if that's what he wants to do, and if he feels strongly about it, fair enough.
I don't see why it is easy for me to say.
I am guessing you would still talk to Michéal O'Mhuircheartaigh if he showed up with a tape recorder. Or would you boycott him because he is RTE?
AFAIK Brian Carthy still works for RTE. Is he boycotted as well?
Harte, like me, is entitled to his opinion. I just disagree with it and I think it does damage to Tyrone at this stage. My opinion on this doesn't matter and doesn't damage my, my employer or my team.
I agree it would be very unprofessional for pundits to change their view of Tyrone football because of the boycott. But human nature is human nature.
I think it's easy for you to be coldly analytic about the scope of RTE's involvement in the skit and/or the depth of Mickey's reaction to it, and that he should be able to compartmentalise. It may not be that easy for him, or he may feel it is not as isolated as you seem to think. Either way, it's easy for someone on the outside to say he should just get on with it and separate that awful sketch from the RTE sports department.
Mikey Harte is a journalist himself these days and has been for a while. He uses his high profile to campaign on lots of issues. He is part of the media and uses it frequently when it suits.
He is no gombeen.
Here is a statement from around the time of the start of the boycott:
http://www.balls.ie/uncategorized/mickey-harte-and-tyrone-explain-rte-boycott/17611 (http://www.balls.ie/uncategorized/mickey-harte-and-tyrone-explain-rte-boycott/17611)
That's a non-sequitor. Harte is in the Media and RTE are in the Media, so Harte should be willing to talk to them.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 01:03:12 PM
Would you refuse to talk to deal with everyone who works for Murdock? Do you have Sky?
I subscribe to Sky and occasionally read the Times. But I know plenty of people who boycott everything Murdoch. I understand why they do and would never sneer at them for doing so.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 01:04:26 PM
That's a non-sequitor. Harte is in the Media and RTE are in the Media, so Harte should be willing to talk to them.
That's sophistry.
Those are your words and was not my point. I qualified the statement with the next statement.
'He is no gombeen'.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 01:03:12 PM
Would you refuse to talk to deal with everyone who works for Murdock? Do you have Sky?
I subscribe to Sky and occasionally read the Times. But I know plenty of people who boycott everything Murdoch. I understand why they do and would never sneer at them for doing so.
Thank you for twisting my point that I simply disagree with him, to 'sneering'.
It's irrelevant. I know he's no gombeen, but whether he is in the media, or 'uses' it is not relevant to how he genuinely feels about RTE following the Michaela skit. If he feels they were disgraceful, and if he feels he has a beef with RTE, then he is within his rights to not talk to them.
And I can't see how someone looking in from the outside can possibly tell how Mickey Harte feels about something like that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
It's irrelevant. I know he's no gombeen, but whether he is in the media, or 'uses' it is not relevant to how he genuinely feels about RTE following the Michaela skit. If he feels they were disgraceful, and if he feels he has a beef with RTE, then he is within his rights to not talk to them.
And I can't see how someone looking in from the outside can possibly tell how Mickey Harte feels about something like that.
I am not telling him how to feel or how he feels!
Why the need to put words in my mouth or twist my argument?
I simply disagree with it and think it damages Tyrone.
You seem to disagree with his stance because he should be able to differentiate between various strands of RTE.
I think that's presumptuous on your part, because you have no idea how he feels about what happened back then.
That's all. Apologies if I'm twisting your words.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 01:15:12 PM
You seem to disagree with his stance because he should be able to differentiate between various strands of RTE.
I think that's presumptuous on your part, because you have no idea how he feels about what happened back then.
That's all. Apologies if I'm twisting your words.
He knew enough to sign a letter to the Director General regarding Brian Carthy.
He works in the media and dealt with RTE Sports for nearly a decade before the event.
Look. The choice of song was so, so bad that I believe it had to be a terrible mistake. It could only have been made by someone who hadn't a clue about the tragedy. No one in their right mind would have considered that funny or even remotely acceptable if they were aware of what had happened his daughter.
I am not for a second disputing any of that.
But like I say, I believe the boycott on RTE Sports (whatever about the rest of RTE) is damaging to Tyrone and doesn't achieve anything.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 01:15:12 PM
You seem to disagree with his stance because he should be able to differentiate between various strands of RTE.
I think that's presumptuous on your part, because you have no idea how he feels about what happened back then.
That's all. Apologies if I'm twisting your words.
He knew enough to sign a letter to the Director General regarding Brian Carthy.
He works in the media and dealt with RTE Sports for nearly a decade before the event.
Look. The choice of song was so, so bad that I believe it had to be a terrible mistake. It could only have been made by someone who hadn't a clue about the tragedy. No one in their right mind would have considered that funny or even remotely acceptable if they were aware of what had happened his daughter.
I am not for a second disputing any of that.
But like I say, I believe the boycott on RTE Sports (whatever about the rest of RTE) is damaging to Tyrone and doesn't achieve anything.
I agree with that too. But I think he's right to maintain it if he feels strongly about it, and only he can know that.
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You seem to disagree with his stance because he should be able to differentiate between various strands of RTE.
I think that's presumptuous on your part, because you have no idea how he feels about what happened back then.
That's all. Apologies if I'm twisting your words.
He knew enough to sign a letter to the Director General regarding Brian Carthy.
He works in the media and dealt with RTE Sports for nearly a decade before the event.
Look. The choice of song was so, so bad that I believe it had to be a terrible mistake. It could only have been made by someone who hadn't a clue about the tragedy. No one in their right mind would have considered that funny or even remotely acceptable if they were aware of what had happened his daughter.
I am not for a second disputing any of that.
But like I say, I believe the boycott on RTE Sports (whatever about the rest of RTE) is damaging to Tyrone and doesn't achieve anything.
I agree with that too. But I think he's right to maintain it if he feels strongly about it, and only he can know that.
On a personal level, you are obviously right. But he also has responsibilities elsewhere.
We can probably leave it at that.
The thing that bugs me is how all of this behaviour sits alongside Harte's deep rooted Christianity? He is a very devout man who has used his undoubted faith in God to get him through some very dark moments in his life but should he not forgive RTE? Is this not what his religion tells him to do?
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 03:22:44 PM
The thing that bugs me is how all of this behaviour sits alongside Harte's deep rooted Christianity? He is a very devout man who has used his undoubted faith in God to get him through some very dark moments in his life but should he not forgive RTE? Is this not what his religion tells him to do?
That's what bugs you about all this? Jesus Christ.
Yes, Jesus Christ.
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Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 03:22:44 PM
The thing that bugs me is how all of this behaviour sits alongside Harte's deep rooted Christianity? He is a very devout man who has used his undoubted faith in God to get him through some very dark moments in his life but should he not forgive RTE? Is this not what his religion tells him to do?
That's what bugs you about all this? Jesus Christ.
???
Jesus doesn't bug me, how Harte's treatment of RTE sits alongside his religious beliefs do.
Feckin men and their high horses and holier-than-thou attitudes... load of feckin bollix.
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 03:43:40 PM
Jesus doesn't bug me, how Harte's treatment of RTE sits alongside his religious beliefs do.
Yeah, they are the real victims here.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 10, 2015, 03:51:03 PM
Feckin men and their high horses and holier-than-thou attitudes... load of feckin bollix.
And by them men I don't mean Micky Harte at all, but the multitude of posters spouting their "great moral beliefs and proper practices" - just to be clear
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Feckin men and their high horses and holier-than-thou attitudes... load of feckin bollix.
And by them men I don't mean Micky Harte at all, but the multitude of posters spouting their "great moral beliefs and proper practices" - just to be clear
Are you sure you don't mean Mickey Harte? ;D
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
If Mickey Harte was a Jew, a religion that counsels against turning the other cheek (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1791975/jewish/Is-Turning-the-Other-Cheek-a-Jewish-Value.htm), his actions would not bug you. Is that fair?
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
If Mickey Harte was a Jew, a religion that counsels against turning the other cheek (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1791975/jewish/Is-Turning-the-Other-Cheek-a-Jewish-Value.htm), his actions would not bug you. Is that fair?
Yea.... ::)
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
If Mickey Harte was a Jew, a religion that counsels against turning the other cheek (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1791975/jewish/Is-Turning-the-Other-Cheek-a-Jewish-Value.htm), his actions would not bug you. Is that fair?
Ah.
But if RTE was Charie Hebdo would we all have badges, #JesuisRTE at every match? :D
all this talk whenever and contentious issue arises about how men should be "disgraced" and its "appalling" and all this indignation... absolute dung. If there is one thing I can see past in this hole issue is Micky Harte tellin the RTE to go to frig, inappropriate messages about his daughter are beyond the beyond and whatever course he takes is up to him, id say RTE definitely don't do anything to endear themselves to him anyway with Brolly and the likes spoutin shite.
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Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
If Mickey Harte was a Jew, a religion that counsels against turning the other cheek (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1791975/jewish/Is-Turning-the-Other-Cheek-a-Jewish-Value.htm), his actions would not bug you. Is that fair?
Yea.... ::)
You've not given this any thought beyond Armagh Good Tyrone Bad.
Quote from: deiseach on August 10, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: mackers on August 10, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Let's back up the fecking truck here......my point is about Harte and HIS religious beliefs....not MINE!!
If Mickey Harte was a Jew, a religion that counsels against turning the other cheek (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1791975/jewish/Is-Turning-the-Other-Cheek-a-Jewish-Value.htm), his actions would not bug you. Is that fair?
In fairness, Mickey trains his teams to fall to ground and get out of the way, not perhaps turning the other cheek but obviously not an aggressive move........
He too is staying out of RTÉ's way.
All I heard in last 24hrs are ex Tyrone players claiming that Harte doesn't encourage diving/cynical play. I didn't hear any of them say that he discouraged it though!
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All I heard in last 24hrs are ex Tyrone players claiming that Harte doesn't encourage diving/cynical play. I didn't hear any of them say that he discouraged it though!
Ah ffs! ::)
Quote from: ck on August 10, 2015, 11:13:58 PM
All I heard in last 24hrs are ex Tyrone players claiming that Harte doesn't encourage diving/cynical play. I didn't hear any of them say that he discouraged it though!
The f**kin bastid! ::)
We're not finished yet
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33856887
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Quote from: ck on August 10, 2015, 11:13:58 PM
All I heard in last 24hrs are ex Tyrone players claiming that Harte doesn't encourage diving/cynical play. I didn't hear any of them say that he discouraged it though!
The f**kin bastid! ::)
My point being, that Tyrone are always accused of cynical play and these incidents seem to consistently follow Tyrone around.. I have yet to hear Mickey Harte say any of it is wrong and condemn it outright. he defends his players to the hilt, which I can understand but this also would suggest that Harte is quite happy for it all to happen and whilst it may not be coached, it's certainly is not discouraged.
Also, if the antics of Gavin Devlin on the line on Saturday night (and all through the C'ship) are anything to go by I can only imagine how Tyrone are "coached". He was an out and out disgrace.
Devlin gets very riled up. Harte may well miss the cool head of Tony Donnelly when the pressure gets turned up a notch the next day.
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Quote from: ck on August 10, 2015, 11:13:58 PM
All I heard in last 24hrs are ex Tyrone players claiming that Harte doesn't encourage diving/cynical play. I didn't hear any of them say that he discouraged it though!
The f**kin bastid! ::)
My point being, that Tyrone are always accused of cynical play and these incidents seem to consistently follow Tyrone around.. I have yet to hear Mickey Harte say any of it is wrong and condemn it outright. he defends his players to the hilt, which I can understand but this also would suggest that Harte is quite happy for it all to happen and whilst it may not be coached, it's certainly is not discouraged.
Also, if the antics of Gavin Devlin on the line on Saturday night (and all through the C'ship) are anything to go by I can only imagine how Tyrone are "coached". He was an out and out disgrace.
That must be the Maghery blood in him😊. What did he do? I didn't see it.
What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
sick of all the sensationalist dung that be's spouted constantly as though Tyrone are any worse than any other county or club team anywher across the country. All this so called "shocked and appalled" bullshit is just media driven and you sheep just follow along all the way to the point where you're actually starting to believe your own nonsense.
I've experienced first hand the lies and hypocrisy of the so-called holier-than-thou camp and believe me they have all been found very wanting if held up to their own "high moral standards"... absolute crap
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What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
Can you back up what you are saying? Did McGeeney have any control over what happened to Davy Byrne? Just comparing like.
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What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
sick of all the sensationalist dung that be's spouted constantly as though Tyrone are any worse than any other county or club team anywher across the country. All this so called "shocked and appalled" bullshit is just media driven and you sheep just follow along all the way to the point where you're actually starting to believe your own nonsense.
I've experienced first hand the lies and hypocrisy of the so-called holier-than-thou camp and believe me they have all been found very wanting if held up to their own "high moral standards"... absolute crap
Oh go on, tell us......
There was an interesting point on OTB last nite about Donegal v Tyrone being a niggly game, the Monaghan v Tyrone match similar but Monaghan v Donegal wasn't.
The U-21s and minors from Tyrone this year appear to have stooped to new lows and while it isn't being trained (I do believe that) monkey see, monkey do. Young lads see the carry on of the senior lads and it filters through. There is a responsibility on Mickey Harte to do what's right for the game and stop his players from doing it, easy enough done indoors without anyone from outside ever knowing about it.
He isn't do it and it's to his shame
I'd like to see hefty suspensions brought in for simulation, three match bans handed out after the match, it would soon cut it out
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What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
the verbal abuse and venom he was giving the monaghan keeper during free kicks was unreal. He also got involved with monaghan players when he entered the pitch and gave the linesman and referee serious abuse. The 3rd official kept coming out to him but it made no difference. He would appear to be a complete loose canon.
Mickey Harte stood as if butter wouldn't melt.
Quote from: ck on August 11, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
the verbal abuse and venom he was giving the monaghan keeper during free kicks was unreal. He also got involved with monaghan players when he entered the pitch and gave the linesman and referee serious abuse. The 3rd official kept coming out to him but it made no difference. He would appear to be a complete loose canon.
I know Mickey is a religious man, but playing men of the cloth is surely taking piety to extremes.
I'll get my coat...
Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
I didn't see this on TV but I'd say it's something to do with this.
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Lads, lads, lads..how in God's name did ye allow a thread started by an out and out clown/troll get to 9 pages..shoddy, shoddy workmanship!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 11, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
Lads, lads, lads..how in God's name did ye allow a thread started by an out and out clown/troll get to 9 pages..shoddy, shoddy workmanship!
Don't insult the man just because of his name! :)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 11, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
There was an interesting point on OTB last nite about Donegal v Tyrone being a niggly game, the Monaghan v Tyrone match similar but Monaghan v Donegal wasn't.
The U-21s and minors from Tyrone this year appear to have stooped to new lows and while it isn't being trained (I do believe that) monkey see, monkey do. Young lads see the carry on of the senior lads and it filters through. There is a responsibility on Mickey Harte to do what's right for the game and stop his players from doing it, easy enough done indoors without anyone from outside ever knowing about it.
He isn't do it and it's to his shame
I'd like to see hefty suspensions brought in for simulation, three match bans handed out after the match, it would soon cut it out
Nonsense it was highlighted the treatment McManus got from McGee.
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
the verbal abuse and venom he was giving the monaghan keeper during free kicks was unreal. He also got involved with monaghan players when he entered the pitch and gave the linesman and referee serious abuse. The 3rd official kept coming out to him but it made no difference. He would appear to be a complete loose canon.
Mickey Harte stood as if butter wouldn't melt.
And you seen and heard all this? How many free kicks did the Monaghan keeper take on Saturday?
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Come on lad. What county are you from?
Kilkenny! Issue?
You are a Kilkenny man that loves Liam Hayes and hates Tyrone?
Kilkenny man that loves hurling AND football. Hates Kerry and Tyrone. Issue?
Kilkenny are every bit as cynical and ruthless as Tyrone, take the log out of your own eye first.
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 11, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
What did Devlin do? Dooher was a similar disgrace on the line for the U-21s this year sledging opposition players constantly. Its a malaise and culture that runs through Tyrone football. And Harte can easily put a stop to it by instructing his players that it is not how he wants his team to play. He mightn't coach it but he doesn't appear to discourage it either.
the verbal abuse and venom he was giving the monaghan keeper during free kicks was unreal. He also got involved with monaghan players when he entered the pitch and gave the linesman and referee serious abuse. The 3rd official kept coming out to him but it made no difference. He would appear to be a complete loose canon.
Mickey Harte stood as if butter wouldn't melt.
And you seen and heard all this? How many free kicks did the Monaghan keeper take on Saturday?
I did as it happens yeah. I was only a few yards away.
Quote from: Darby on August 08, 2015, 06:52:35 PM
This list is by no means exhaustive, so if you can think of any more incidents, I urge you to contact me.
Good news for you
"RTE face a backlash from the GAA fraternity after it emerged this morning that they will demand Tyrone appear on the field in the semi-final against Kerry wearing a sack cloth each and with ashes on their hair. In addition, there will be deferred coverage of the game after the watershed in case children are influenced by their dasdardly deeds.
RTE spokesman Noel Custard explained:
"Years ago the sack cloth and ashes were a sign of genuine repentance. Now, we're showing a little mercy to Tyrone by just making them wear ashes on their heads and will forego the need for them to sit ashes as well as that will mess up the Croker turf. Bad enough they're on it with their northern ways."
"
http://tyronetribulations.com/2015/08/12/tyrone-to-wear-sack-cloth-and-ashes-after-watershed/
they never apologised to the Tipperary u21s,then maybe did don't do apologises up there!
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 12, 2015, 04:32:49 PM
they never apologised to the Tipperary u21s,then maybe did don't do apologised up there!
Is English your first language?
sorry about that lad,but you know what I mean, ;)
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 11, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
There was an interesting point on OTB last nite about Donegal v Tyrone being a niggly game, the Monaghan v Tyrone match similar but Monaghan v Donegal wasn't.
The U-21s and minors from Tyrone this year appear to have stooped to new lows and while it isn't being trained (I do believe that) monkey see, monkey do. Young lads see the carry on of the senior lads and it filters through. There is a responsibility on Mickey Harte to do what's right for the game and stop his players from doing it, easy enough done indoors without anyone from outside ever knowing about it.
He isn't do it and it's to his shame
I'd like to see hefty suspensions brought in for simulation, three match bans handed out after the match, it would soon cut it out
Nonsense it was highlighted the treatment McManus got from McGee.
I'm sorry, what's nonsense??
List of things that Tyrone have never done? Lost a DRA case?
Not the DRA - but they did lose one with Ricey
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=108456
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 11, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
There was an interesting point on OTB last nite about Donegal v Tyrone being a niggly game, the Monaghan v Tyrone match similar but Monaghan v Donegal wasn't.
The U-21s and minors from Tyrone this year appear to have stooped to new lows and while it isn't being trained (I do believe that) monkey see, monkey do. Young lads see the carry on of the senior lads and it filters through. There is a responsibility on Mickey Harte to do what's right for the game and stop his players from doing it, easy enough done indoors without anyone from outside ever knowing about it.
He isn't do it and it's to his shame
I'd like to see hefty suspensions brought in for simulation, three match bans handed out after the match, it would soon cut it out
Nonsense it was highlighted the treatment McManus got from McGee.
I'm sorry, what's nonsense??
Monaghan v Donegal wasnt is what I find nonsense. Here's Joes take on it.
http://gaeliclife.com/2015/07/joe-brolly-conor-mcmanus-and-the-chocolate-covered-tea-pots/
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 11, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
There was an interesting point on OTB last nite about Donegal v Tyrone being a niggly game, the Monaghan v Tyrone match similar but Monaghan v Donegal wasn't.
The U-21s and minors from Tyrone this year appear to have stooped to new lows and while it isn't being trained (I do believe that) monkey see, monkey do. Young lads see the carry on of the senior lads and it filters through. There is a responsibility on Mickey Harte to do what's right for the game and stop his players from doing it, easy enough done indoors without anyone from outside ever knowing about it.
He isn't do it and it's to his shame
I'd like to see hefty suspensions brought in for simulation, three match bans handed out after the match, it would soon cut it out
The selectiveness of this pisses me of no end. Did you even watch the u21 game? There was absolutely no evidence of this at all on the TV coverage at some of the accusations leveled at Tyrone over this. People who were at the game have said there was no evidence of some of the widespread goading or sledging that was alleged. The only real accusation that could stand up against Tyrone is that they got very cynical towards the end in holding out the lead, which is probably called cuteness when Southern counties employ it. Up until the last 10 minutes, Tipp led the foul counts and were quite efficient in their tactical fouling of Tyrone players and stopping them from breaking out from the back. We had Cathal McShane, the MOTM and one of our main players cynically targeted from the very start of the game, he was kicked, stamped on, hit late and met with frontal charges for the whole game - yet little attention was passed to this. It was an absolute disgrace that our u21s had our victory tarnished and devalued because the opposition could not accept defeat (fairly) with any degree of class and the Southern media took no time latching onto it and picking up the pieces.
The monkey see, monkey do attitude is coming from the likes of yourself who don't seem to have an independent thought in your brain and will just latch onto to whatever misrepresnations and distortion of facts the media make about Tyrone.
The other point about the Monaghan-Donegal game is again weighted in selectiveness. Donegal have met Tyrone in 2011, 2012 and 2013 as well and those games passed off without any major incidents. Monaghan met Donegal in 2013 and 2014 as well and both games had their flashpoints - the Gollogly tackle on McHugh in 2013 and there were a fair few scuffles breaking out in the 2014 team. But there doesn't seem to be any context in the reporting, it seems to be look for some dirt with Tyrone and dismiss everything else.
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I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
IMHO you have lost the argument when you quote that journalist on Gaelic games.
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Quote from: ck on August 09, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
I have absolutely no grudge or issue with Tyrone or their people but their history of cynicism, dirty play and downright poor behaviour is there for all to see. Even the Tyrone manager won't speak to RTE for some unknown reason. I genuinely believe there is a general culture in tyrone that doesn't exist in any other county.
As for that pathetic dive last night by the Tyrone No.10. I'd guess half the country simply rolled their eyes and just thought, that's Tyrone for you.
Unknown reason? Maybe if you had a below the belt shot at you from a state broadcaster using the death of your kin as a vehicle you might understand why Harte's stance has been obstinate.
Why limit the blame to the 'state broadcaster'?
Why not all Irish people?
Or all EU citizens?
Or the whole world?
Or maybe just blame the crap comedian.
Maybe you're a bit slow, but it happened to be broadcast by the state broadcaster.
Decent article from Sweeney on it here.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-stance-has-decency-on-its-side-29243123.html
IMHO you have lost the argument when you quote that journalist on Gaelic games.
On Gaelic Games?
That article isn't about Gaelic games, it about the state broadcaster's crass and indecent behaviour towards Mickey Harte.
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
How does that work then? A pre-planned sketch, I assume sanctioned by RTE the state broadcaster, which essentially poked fun at the tragic death of a mans daughter and the subsequent crass behaviour of RTE analysts towards the county team versus one young lads split second decision to act, in an admittedly stupid way, in the dying moments if the biggest game of his life? I know you like your anologies but this is a bit mad. Perhaps I'll liken RTE it to Hitler in order win this argument? ;)
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
By that analogy then surely all of Mayo GAA is responsible for the actions of Aidan O'Shea?
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Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
How does that work then? A pre-planned sketch, I assume sanctioned by RTE the state broadcaster, which essentially poked fun at the tragic death of a mans daughter and the subsequent crass behaviour of RTE analysts towards the county team versus one young lads split second decision to act, in an admittedly stupid way, in the dying moments if the biggest game of his life? I know you like your anologies but this is a bit mad. Perhaps I'll liken RTE it to Hitler in order win this argument? ;)
Has anyone actually heard the sketch ? I honestly don't believe they were poking fun at Micheala's death. I do think the sketch was having a go at Mickey however and the fact that he was trying to tell RTE who they should promote
Quote from: In hiding on August 16, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 16, 2015, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
How does that work then? A pre-planned sketch, I assume sanctioned by RTE the state broadcaster, which essentially poked fun at the tragic death of a mans daughter and the subsequent crass behaviour of RTE analysts towards the county team versus one young lads split second decision to act, in an admittedly stupid way, in the dying moments if the biggest game of his life? I know you like your anologies but this is a bit mad. Perhaps I'll liken RTE it to Hitler in order win this argument? ;)
Has anyone actually heard the sketch ? I honestly don't believe they were poking fun at Micheala's death. I do think the sketch was having a go at Mickey however and the fact that he was trying to tell RTE who they should promote
Yes and it was in extremely poor taste. When you look at it in context, a sketch intended to make Harte look like an idiot with the recent tragic circumstances surrounding the Harte family and the end of it just rubbed salt into the wound, it was a disgrace and RTE's response was as insincere as it gets. To me, the "song request" was pointed and barbed at Harte, whether it was or not it's extremely understandable to make that inference.
I heard it. It was an unfunny sketch as all the sketches on that show were. They were having a go at Mickey and the Brian Carty issue. They used "Pretty Little Girl From Omagh" as background "music". This, I assume is what upset Mickey and his family and Tyrone people. The upset is understandable and the assumption of a grief-stricken family that their grief was being mocked is also understandable.
But I don't for one second believe that the writers or performers of the sketch or the editors or producers in RTÉ intended to mock/insult the Hartes in that way. It is unthinkable. I believe it was ineptitude, not malevolence at work (in the choice of soundtrack, if not the content of the sketch). I'm sure it was simply a case of not being able to think of any other Tyrone song (is there one?) and completely forgetting the connotations that could be assumed.
If the Harte family continue to believe the opposite I don't blame them in their grief and it's not for me to suggest they should react differently.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
By that analogy then surely all of Mayo GAA is responsible for the actions of Aidan O'Shea?
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Nail on the head. Now you have it. It would be ludicrous to blame all of Mayo Gaa.
You see I wouldn't blame all of RTE, or all of Tyrone Gaa, or all of anyone, for the actions of a small minority.
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Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
By that analogy then surely all of Mayo GAA is responsible for the actions of Aidan O'Shea?
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Nail on the head. Now you have it. It would be ludicrous to blame all of Mayo Gaa.
You see I wouldn't blame all of RTE, or all of Tyrone Gaa, or all of anyone, for the actions of a small minority.
I
Completely different cases. These sketches are surely reviewed and sanctioned before broadcast, there was a premeditated aim to lampoon Harte in that classless and insensitive piece which would had to had got the go-ahead of the top brass, I would imagine would be the case. The insincere reaction to the aftermath of the case and lack of action taken against the parties showed how RTE lacked any sort of regret over what happened.
Not to mention that RTE is a state broadcaster, who employ people on a professional basis to carry out a job where you'd imagine conduct like such would be a sackable offence. Whereas an inter-county footballer pursuits are a hobby which he does at his own violation. Not to mention that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that McCann's actions were premeditated, more of a spur of the moment.
My own view on this is that I think you are being deliberately obtuse on this after you built a rod for your own back, so probably better off not wasting everyone else's time on this matter.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
By that analogy then surely all of Mayo GAA is responsible for the actions of Aidan O'Shea?
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Nail on the head. Now you have it. It would be ludicrous to blame all of Mayo Gaa.
You see I wouldn't blame all of RTE, or all of Tyrone Gaa, or all of anyone, for the actions of a small minority.
I
Completely different cases. These sketches are surely reviewed and sanctioned before broadcast, there was a premeditated aim to lampoon Harte in that classless and insensitive piece which would had to had got the go-ahead of the top brass, I would imagine would be the case. The insincere reaction to the aftermath of the case and lack of action taken against the parties showed how RTE lacked any sort of regret over what happened.
Not to mention that RTE is a state broadcaster, who employ people on a professional basis to carry out a job where you'd imagine conduct like such would be a sackable offence. Whereas an inter-county footballer pursuits are a hobby which he does at his own violation. Not to mention that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that McCann's actions were premeditated, more of a spur of the moment.
My own view on this is that I think you are being deliberately obtuse on this after you built a rod for your own back, so probably better off not wasting everyone else's time on this matter.
I am certain it isn't.
Between All of the radio stations, the Tv station and RnaG, do you seriously think 'top brass' review even a fraction of what goes out? Down to the choice of song?? Seriously???
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Here is the thing, if you hold all of RTE responsible for the admittedly crass behaviour of one of its (now axed) radio programmes, then surely all of Tyrone GAA, is equally responsible for Tiarnan McCann's behaviour?
By that analogy then surely all of Mayo GAA is responsible for the actions of Aidan O'Shea?
(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2013/08/osheaface.gif)
Nail on the head. Now you have it. It would be ludicrous to blame all of Mayo Gaa.
You see I wouldn't blame all of RTE, or all of Tyrone Gaa, or all of anyone, for the actions of a small minority.
I
Completely different cases. These sketches are surely reviewed and sanctioned before broadcast, there was a premeditated aim to lampoon Harte in that classless and insensitive piece which would had to had got the go-ahead of the top brass, I would imagine would be the case. The insincere reaction to the aftermath of the case and lack of action taken against the parties showed how RTE lacked any sort of regret over what happened.
Not to mention that RTE is a state broadcaster, who employ people on a professional basis to carry out a job where you'd imagine conduct like such would be a sackable offence. Whereas an inter-county footballer pursuits are a hobby which he does at his own violation. Not to mention that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that McCann's actions were premeditated, more of a spur of the moment.
My own view on this is that I think you are being deliberately obtuse on this after you built a rod for your own back, so probably better off not wasting everyone else's time on this matter.
I am certain it isn't.
Between All of the radio stations, the Tv station and RnaG, do you seriously think 'top brass' review even a fraction of what goes out? Down to the choice of song?? Seriously???
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
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They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
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Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
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The fact that RTE apologised is not disputed, the insincerity of it was the crux. The show might since have been axed but there was nothing done to the people concerned in the aftermath of it. Why was that? Do you not find that very uncommon for the situation as such?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
The fact that RTE apologised is not disputed, the insincerity of it was the crux. The show might since have been axed but there was nothing done to the people concerned in the aftermath of it. Why was that?
Do you not find that very uncommon for the situation as such?[/quote]
No I don't. Not in the least.
People make mistakes.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
The fact that RTE apologised is not disputed, the insincerity of it was the crux. The show might since have been axed but there was nothing done to the people concerned in the aftermath of it. Why was that? Do you not find that very uncommon for the situation as such?
No I don't. Not in the least.
People make mistakes.
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In professional media broadcasting, mistakes like that cost you your job in normal circumstances. RTE did nothing on that which is where all the questions start. Why didn't they do anything on it? Harte is well within his rights to boycott them and the players and county officials and well within their right to as well. The Harte family were very poorly treated by RTE so I don't see what your issue is the current stance, you don't even seem to be able to convince yourself on whatever it is you're trying to claim.
QuoteQuote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
The fact that RTE apologised is not disputed, the insincerity of it was the crux. The show might since have been axed but there was nothing done to the people concerned in the aftermath of it. Why was that? Do you not find that very uncommon for the situation as such?
No I don't. Not in the least.
People make mistakes.
In professional media broadcasting, mistakes like that cost you your job in normal circumstances. RTE did nothing on that which is where all the questions start. Why didn't they do anything on it? Harte is well within his rights to boycott them and the players and county officials and well within their right to as well. The Harte family were very poorly treated by RTE so I don't see what your issue is the current stance, you don't even seem to be able to convince yourself on whatever it is you're trying to claim.
Hang on a second.
All I am doing in these recent posts is refuting your 'top brass' claim, which you have stopped claiming.
You seem to think that anyone that disagrees with you on any point, disagrees with you on everything ever written about Harte or Tyrone. This is completely hysterical thinking.
'Why didn't they do anything on it?'
RTE apologised. They seem to think that was sufficient. Harte doesn't. I am not sure. But we are all entitled to our opinions.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
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Why does it bother you so much that Harte doesn't talk to RTE? They did a skit, he took it as a slur upon him and his daughters death and doesn't bother talking to them anymore. It's a personal choice and not one that affects too many people. It's not like he's sending parcel bombs or pissing through their letterbox every week.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
QuoteQuote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
[quote author=Il Bomber Destro link=topic=26133.msg1502793#msg1502793 date=1439733802
They have editors and producers charged with making sure incidents like the Harte escapade don't happen. Why was their no action taken on them? It sent out the message that RTE weren't bothered at the crass nature of the content and that message came from the brass.
Well at least you have changed your tune.
It was a crass choice of song. But one would need to know your GAA to get that. Not every producer is a GAA supporter.
As for the reaction, that is disputed: http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/ (http://www.the42.ie/rte-insist-mickey-harte-received-apology-from-john-murray-show-305541-Dec2011/)
That show has since been axed.
The fact that RTE apologised is not disputed, the insincerity of it was the crux. The show might since have been axed but there was nothing done to the people concerned in the aftermath of it. Why was that? Do you not find that very uncommon for the situation as such?
No I don't. Not in the least.
People make mistakes.
In professional media broadcasting, mistakes like that cost you your job in normal circumstances. RTE did nothing on that which is where all the questions start. Why didn't they do anything on it? Harte is well within his rights to boycott them and the players and county officials and well within their right to as well. The Harte family were very poorly treated by RTE so I don't see what your issue is the current stance, you don't even seem to be able to convince yourself on whatever it is you're trying to claim.
Hang on a second.
All I am doing in these recent posts is refuting your 'top brass' claim, which you have stopped claiming.
You seem to think that anyone that disagrees with you on any point, disagrees with you on everything ever written about Harte or Tyrone. This is completely hysterical thinking.
'Why didn't they do anything on it?'
RTE apologised. They seem to think that was sufficient. Harte doesn't. I am not sure. But we are all entitled to our opinions.
Yes, he doesn't think that was sufficient and it's understandable but why does that bother you so much? He's perfectly entitled not to as are the players and county officials to support him in that. It does seem to bother you going by your posts on that.
Where is this apology?
I haven't seen diddly from them
The insult was public, so why isn't the apology?
You would absolutely not.not have to be a GAA supporter to realise the inappropriate nature of the song. Events in Mauritius were all over RTÉ for weeks, probably including on the offending show.
OmaghJoe there is a link above that answers your question.
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
But there is no doubt in my mind that it is damaging Tyrone Gaa. I just hope you beat Kerry. But with all this crap I can't see it.
As for Canavan's article. Jesus wept. It was wrong to suspend McCann for a load of reasons. But not because his Grandfather and his mother are great Gaels. If John Mc Dermott and Martin O'Connell's Mammies were the bestest Gaels ever would that make 1996 ok?
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
OmaghJoe there is a link above that answers your question.
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
But there is no doubt in my mind that it is damaging Tyrone Gaa. I just hope you beat Kerry. But with all this crap I can't see it.
As for Canavan's article. Jesus wept. It was wrong to suspend McCann for a load of reasons. But not because his Grandfather and his mother are great Gaels. If John Mc Dermott and Martin O'Connell's Mammies were the bestest Gaels ever would that make 1996 ok?
Then why have you spent half this thread fervently arguing Harte's stance if it doesn't bother you?
He has more than reasonable grounds to not want to speak or engage with RTE, he has gone about this quietly and with dignity - yet it is very obvious that this bothers you.
I also think you completely missed the point of Canavan's article as well. He didn't say he shouldn't have been banned because of who he is and who his family are. He is calling on those who have ran a full character assassination on him to remind them that he should not be judged on one incident, I'm not surprised to see you didn't gather that though, obvious and all as it was.
Muppet, The apology was in private and that's fair enuff, Im not doubting that it took place. But there should have been a public apology also as the offence was public.
Also M Harte can do what he likes as far as I am concerned. If he still feels sore about it then he doesnt and shouldn't have to speak to them. Its completely his decision.
And BTW your theory that if he starts to speak again to RTE then suddenly the bias against Tyrone that they display will suddenly disappear is wrong. It was there for a good few years b4 hand.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
OmaghJoe there is a link above that answers your question.
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
But there is no doubt in my mind that it is damaging Tyrone Gaa. I just hope you beat Kerry. But with all this crap I can't see it.
As for Canavan's article. Jesus wept. It was wrong to suspend McCann for a load of reasons. But not because his Grandfather and his mother are great Gaels. If John Mc Dermott and Martin O'Connell's Mammies were the bestest Gaels ever would that make 1996 ok?
Then why have you spent half this thread fervently arguing Harte's stance if it doesn't bother you?
He has more than reasonable grounds to not want to speak or engage with RTE, he has gone about this quietly and with dignity - yet it is very obvious that this bothers you.
You think that anyone that doesn't agree with some aspect of your argument disagrees with everything.
My arguments pretty much all along was against the conspiracy theory that RTE's top brass had planned and executed the whole thing as a matter of policy. This is plainly ludicrous.
My second argument is that this damages Tyrone.
I have never said Harte was 'wrong' to feel the way he does. You can't tell someone how to feel. However it is obvious to me that this whole thing damages Tyrone GAA. Sometimes being right doesn't matter. I have said The John Murray Show was wrong and that the choice of song was hideous.
I have also said that the ban was wrong.
But Canavan incorrectly asserts that the rules of the game were changed because of Sean Cavanagh's tackle and the furore it caused. The rules were changed at the previous Congress. He then asserts that the rules are changing again because of certain sections of the media. The rules haven't changed. The interpretation of one rule appears to have changed though and I disagree with that interpretation. I agree with James Horan.
The ban is as a result of the over-reaction to McCann's dive. Canavan asks: 'So is he a "renegade", a "coward", a "cheat"? Well he certainly cheated. No one questions that, with the exception of OmaghJoe. Other Tyrone supporters point to other examples of cheating, but these comparisons, if anything, only prove that most Tyrone supporters accept he cheated. It is just that they reasonably argue other examples of cheating went unpunished. Canavan argues that his Granda and Mammy don't think he is a cheat. Probably not the best defence I have ever read.
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OmaghJoe there is a link above that answers your question.
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
But there is no doubt in my mind that it is damaging Tyrone Gaa. I just hope you beat Kerry. But with all this crap I can't see it.
As for Canavan's article. Jesus wept. It was wrong to suspend McCann for a load of reasons. But not because his Grandfather and his mother are great Gaels. If John Mc Dermott and Martin O'Connell's Mammies were the bestest Gaels ever would that make 1996 ok?
Then why have you spent half this thread fervently arguing Harte's stance if it doesn't bother you?
He has more than reasonable grounds to not want to speak or engage with RTE, he has gone about this quietly and with dignity - yet it is very obvious that this bothers you.
You think that anyone that doesn't agree with some aspect of your argument disagrees with everything.
My arguments pretty much all along was against the conspiracy theory that RTE's top brass had planned and executed the whole thing as a matter of policy. This is plainly ludicrous.
My second argument is that this damages Tyrone.
I have never said Harte was 'wrong' to feel the way he does. You can't tell someone how to feel. However it is obvious to me that this whole thing damages Tyrone GAA. Sometimes being right doesn't matter. I have said The John Murray Show was wrong and that the choice of song was hideous.
I have also said that the ban was wrong.
But Canavan incorrectly asserts that the rules of the game were changed because of Sean Cavanagh's tackle and the furore it caused. The rules were changed at the previous Congress. He then asserts that the rules are changing again because of certain sections of the media. The rules haven't changed. The interpretation of one rule appears to have changed though and I disagree with that interpretation. I agree with James Horan.
The ban is as a result of the over-reaction to McCann's dive. Canavan asks: 'So is he a "renegade", a "coward", a "cheat"? Well he certainly cheated. No one questions that, with the exception of OmaghJoe. Other Tyrone supporters point to other examples of cheating, but these comparisons, if anything, only prove that most Tyrone supporters accept he cheated. It is just that they reasonably argue other examples of cheating went unpunished. Canavan argues that his Granda and Mammy don't think he is a cheat. Probably not the best defence I have ever read.
Where did I say that?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you a few different people?
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BTW I am sick of this being called a hair ruffle and Darren Hughes being described as an innocent party.
Hughes tried to grab Tiernan's hair and gave it a good old yank as I described previously on another thread. He deserved a straight red and is the most guilty party in all of this.
Give it up FFS
Why because its actually what happened, but been swept under the carpet in this whole frenzy?
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you a few different people?
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 15, 2015, 10:04:23 PM
BTW I am sick of this being called a hair ruffle and Darren Hughes being described as an innocent party.
Hughes tried to grab Tiernan's hair and gave it a good old yank as I described previously on another thread. He deserved a straight red and is the most guilty party in all of this.
Give it up FFS
Why because its actually what happened, but been swept under the carpet in this whole frenzy?
Well maybe, its not the first time you've floated that idea
I was talking about what Hughes did, not what McCann did, we've had a full discussion about this already.
I thought you accepted what Hughes did?
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
Then you're devoting a ridiculous amount of your time to it. You even managed to bring it up in the Sunday Game thread. You've argued it to exhaustion here so it obviously bothers you in some regard.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
OmaghJoe there is a link above that answers your question.
As for the 'why does it bother you?' straw man. It doesn't. I couldn't give a fiddlers.
But there is no doubt in my mind that it is damaging Tyrone Gaa. I just hope you beat Kerry. But with all this crap I can't see it.
As for Canavan's article. Jesus wept. It was wrong to suspend McCann for a load of reasons. But not because his Grandfather and his mother are great Gaels. If John Mc Dermott and Martin O'Connell's Mammies were the bestest Gaels ever would that make 1996 ok?
Then why have you spent half this thread fervently arguing Harte's stance if it doesn't bother you?
He has more than reasonable grounds to not want to speak or engage with RTE, he has gone about this quietly and with dignity - yet it is very obvious that this bothers you.
You think that anyone that doesn't agree with some aspect of your argument disagrees with everything.
My arguments pretty much all along was against the conspiracy theory that RTE's top brass had planned and executed the whole thing as a matter of policy. This is plainly ludicrous.
My second argument is that this damages Tyrone.
I have never said Harte was 'wrong' to feel the way he does. You can't tell someone how to feel. However it is obvious to me that this whole thing damages Tyrone GAA. Sometimes being right doesn't matter. I have said The John Murray Show was wrong and that the choice of song was hideous.
I have also said that the ban was wrong.
But Canavan incorrectly asserts that the rules of the game were changed because of Sean Cavanagh's tackle and the furore it caused. The rules were changed at the previous Congress. He then asserts that the rules are changing again because of certain sections of the media. The rules haven't changed. The interpretation of one rule appears to have changed though and I disagree with that interpretation. I agree with James Horan.
The ban is as a result of the over-reaction to McCann's dive. Canavan asks: 'So is he a "renegade", a "coward", a "cheat"? Well he certainly cheated. No one questions that, with the exception of OmaghJoe. Other Tyrone supporters point to other examples of cheating, but these comparisons, if anything, only prove that most Tyrone supporters accept he cheated. It is just that they reasonably argue other examples of cheating went unpunished. Canavan argues that his Granda and Mammy don't think he is a cheat. Probably not the best defence I have ever read.
So if you agree that Harte has every right to feel aggrieved why does it bother you. The Harte family were treated disgracefully and RTE's lack of action against the responsible individuals and public acknowledgement that what was done was out of order stinks when you consider the dispute between them and Harte at that time. I don't think it is damaging to Tyrone GAA, probably far from the truth as the further we can distance ourselves from such a disreputable organisation, the better.
As for Canavan's article, the point is quite clear to me. McCann is being depicted as some sort of monster by the media because of an isolated action which is hardly the hallmark of fair and balanced reporting.
[url]http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/11/exclusive-confirmation-minor-sledging-never-happened/[url]
Did that management ever get the p45..
Really shoes the depth of the anti Tyrone feeling out there.
Will anyone push Martin Carney for comment I can remember him being very vocal throughout... came across as a complete blank!!!
Quote from: WT4E on November 03, 2015, 09:01:55 PM
Really shoes the depth of the anti Tyrone feeling out there.
Will anyone push Martin Carney for comment I can remember him being very vocal throughout... came across as a complete blank!!!
Glad to hear not true. Feel sorry for the young Donegal fella especially.
Managers need to be careful what they accuse teams of doing without proof.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 03, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 03, 2015, 09:01:55 PM
Really shoes the depth of the anti Tyrone feeling out there.
Will anyone push Martin Carney for comment I can remember him being very vocal throughout... came across as a complete blank!!!
Glad to hear not true. Feel sorry for the young Donegal fella especially.
Managers need to be careful what they accuse teams of doing without proof.
What about the young Tyrone player who had his name dragged through the mud? Bonner was acting on information he'd received from his players, whichever one of them made up such an accusation needs to take a long look in the mirror. Appalling behaviour.
Quote from: The Bearded One on November 03, 2015, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 03, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 03, 2015, 09:01:55 PM
Really shoes the depth of the anti Tyrone feeling out there.
Will anyone push Martin Carney for comment I can remember him being very vocal throughout... came across as a complete blank!!!
Glad to hear not true. Feel sorry for the young Donegal fella especially.
Managers need to be careful what they accuse teams of doing without proof.
What about the young Tyrone player who had his name dragged through the mud? Bonner was acting on information he'd received from his players, which one of them made up such an accusation needs to take a long look in the mirror. Appalling behaviour.
While I agree with you the Donegal player did lose a parent.
Donegal should not have brought the matter into the public domain in the first place.
I said at the time that Declan Bonner should be removed from his post for bringing this out into the public domain in such a fashion. He was fully aware of the implications of his words and showed a complete disregard for the welfare for the young person he was accusing. The Tyrone lad's name was always going to be out there once the accusation was made and Bonner put him in an exceptionally difficult and potentially dangerous position with his lack of judgement. At the very least he should have been 100% sure of his facts, which clearly he wasn't. Glad to hear that the truth has come out eventually, I assume a full apology will be forthcoming from Bonner, Rte and the other media outlets who jumped on this bandwagon.
Some of the responses to the initial internal Tyrone investigation suggesting the allegations were untrue.
Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2015, 12:34:15 AM
So not only have Tyrone players called out a lad for his Father dying of cancer but now you lads are trying to say Donegal is making it all up?
What exactly have Donegal to gain by making this up? They have nothing to gain by making this up so the logical inference is that it's true and Tyrone are coveting their asses with lies!
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 23, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Scummy Tyrone at their best, they are nearly out doing all their other scummy actions with this one, they have high standards when it comes to that kinda thing.
Quote from: ck on May 23, 2015, 08:26:05 AM
Tyrone releasing a statement based on the undertaking of their own investigation is absolutely laughable. They are winning no friends here at all.
If there's an investigation to be had then it should be done by the Ulster council who ran the game last Sunday.
Tyrones desperate attempts to claim innocence on this is really pathetic here
Quote from: general_lee on May 23, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
What motive would Donegal have to fabricate this!? Fcuk boy some of you Tyronies are delusional!
Quote from: cockahoop on May 23, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
I dont know why your all surprised by this latest incident involving tyrone,they have been at it for years,
Quote from: The Stallion on May 23, 2015, 12:25:57 PM
Very disappointed but not at all surprised to hear of this latest incident involving Tyrone players mouthing.
It's even more disappointing that so many Tyrone folk seem more keen to deny or make excuses.
Quote from: The Stallion on May 23, 2015, 05:12:02 PM
No shortage of apologists for the inexcusable behaviour of Tyrone players it seems.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on May 23, 2015, 08:49:04 PM
Its the norm for the scummy county that it is, normal morals or footballing traits don't work in Tyrone
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Hardly a surprising turn of events in a county where "heroes" like Ricey and Gormley are lionised for this type of shit behaviour
Stay classy, lads. Must feel great to hang a under 18 player (legally speaking, a child) out to dry on faceless internet forums without first establishing the facts. Big men. Hopefully Bonner has the decency to contact the young Tyrone player targetted in this vindictive campaign and offer a long overdue and grovelling apology.
I'm surprised it took so long for this to be cleared up. I was informed by a local journalist shortly after the incident that no complaint had been made to the referee after the game as had been claimed.
Excuse my ignorance lads but how has it came about that we now know nothing happened? Did the Donegal minor in question just completely fabricate it or what? Sledging is one thing but saying something like that always seemed to be beyond believable. Glad it has came out as not true. Baffling though as to how any story even emerged from nothing!
Now Donegal GAA is refuting the Teamtalk story. Teamtalk might have been better waiting until an official statement came out... "a man told me"...
Did anyone from Tyrone actually read the Teamtalk statement to its conclusion?
Firstly they posted this:
"A statement from Ulster GAA, and the Donegal and Tyrone county board's is expected to be released shortly to finally bring closure to this unfortunate episode. "
Then they posted this:
In a response to our report Donegal GAA have this evening responded with the following statement...
CLG Dhun na nGall wish to vehemently refute the story on teamtalkmag.com this evening. CLG Dhun na nGall has in its possession the Ulster Council CCC Investigation Report and the conclusions reached were agreed by both CLG Thir Eoghain and CLG Dhun na nGall at a meeting on Wednesday September 23rd. We understand that the Ulster Council will make a statement in the morning accordingly.
I have no idea who is right or wrong, but Teamtalk look like a bunch of spoofers.
Here's the full article Muppet. Rather your small
selective snippet
QuoteTeamtalk has this evening learned that a series of allegations attributed to Tyrone minor footballers during the championship game against Donegal, "did not take place" according to Ulster GAA.
Both sides met in the opening round of the Ulster minor championship back on the 17th May in Ballybofey. The allegations surrounded the alleged treatment of a Donegal player during the game but the Ulster Council in their judgement exonerated the Tyrone minor players, management and coaches.
Up until tonight the untrue allegations had remained in the public domain as fact. Donegal minor football boss Declan Bonner had been particularly vocal following the game and one Donegal newspaper carried the headline "Donegal minor manager hits out after 'toxic' taunting of player".
A statement from Ulster GAA, and the Donegal and Tyrone county board's is expected to be released shortly to finally bring closure to this unfortunate episode. Perhaps then the players that represented the Red Hand county that afternoon will finally begin to rid themselves of the unnecessary commentary which was attributed to them from the Donegal minor management, a former Donegal senior player and an RTE pundit.
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In a response to our report Donegal GAA have this evening responded with the following statement...
CLG Dhun na nGall wish to vehemently refute the story on teamtalkmag.com this evening. CLG Dhun na nGall has in its possession the Ulster Council CCC Investigation Report and the conclusions reached were agreed by both CLG Thir Eoghain and CLG Dhun na nGall at a meeting on Wednesday September 23rd. We understand that the Ulster Council will make a statement in the morning accordingly.
Quote from: Bensars on November 04, 2015, 03:16:23 AM
Here's the full article Muppet. Rather your small selective snippet
QuoteTeamtalk has this evening learned that a series of allegations attributed to Tyrone minor footballers during the championship game against Donegal, "did not take place" according to Ulster GAA.
Both sides met in the opening round of the Ulster minor championship back on the 17th May in Ballybofey. The allegations surrounded the alleged treatment of a Donegal player during the game but the Ulster Council in their judgement exonerated the Tyrone minor players, management and coaches.
Up until tonight the untrue allegations had remained in the public domain as fact. Donegal minor football boss Declan Bonner had been particularly vocal following the game and one Donegal newspaper carried the headline "Donegal minor manager hits out after 'toxic' taunting of player".
A statement from Ulster GAA, and the Donegal and Tyrone county board's is expected to be released shortly to finally bring closure to this unfortunate episode. Perhaps then the players that represented the Red Hand county that afternoon will finally begin to rid themselves of the unnecessary commentary which was attributed to them from the Donegal minor management, a former Donegal senior player and an RTE pundit.
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In a response to our report Donegal GAA have this evening responded with the following statement...
CLG Dhun na nGall wish to vehemently refute the story on teamtalkmag.com this evening. CLG Dhun na nGall has in its possession the Ulster Council CCC Investigation Report and the conclusions reached were agreed by both CLG Thir Eoghain and CLG Dhun na nGall at a meeting on Wednesday September 23rd. We understand that the Ulster Council will make a statement in the morning accordingly.
Ah I see.
So they posted their article... and the Donegal response......which contradicted their article.......all at the same time.
Note the 'this evening' at the start of both comments. Do you think it is the same 'this evening'?
C'mon Bensars.....
They didn't publish both at the same time. If they did, how could Donegal have issued a reply to what was initially said.
The teamtalk statement was circulating via that same web link for around 2 hours before it was updated to include a response from Donrgal.
Teamtalk is like a self appointed spokesman for Tyrone GAA and not for the first time was way out on their 'facts'...
Quote from: longballin on November 04, 2015, 09:31:19 AM
Teamtalk is like a self appointed spokesman for Tyrone GAA and not for the first time was way out on their 'facts'...
Enlighten us with the facts then?
Teamtalk is a fan site for Tyrone. They've jumped the gun on stuff before. Wait and see what the actual wording is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out as 'not proven' as opposed to 'untrue'. Unless the Donegal lads say, 'OK, fair enough we made it up', then it's just one word versus another, and it would be hard to a GAA investigation to make a conclusive finding in either way. It's not like they have video evidence to analyse.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 09:46:45 AM
Teamtalk is a fan site for Tyrone. They've jumped the gun on stuff before. Wait and see what the actual wording is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out as 'not proven' as opposed to 'untrue'. Unless the Donegal lads say, 'OK, fair enough we made it up', then it's just one word versus another, and it would be hard to a GAA investigation to make a conclusive finding in either way. It's not like they have video evidence to analyse.
Yes and my issue is that maybe Bonner should have waited too before making a very serious allegation against a young player, placing him in an exceptionally difficult situation.
I don't think Bonner covered himself in glory, but if he genuinely felt that happened, it's not surprising I suppose. I'd be very angry if it was one of my players. I'd like to think I'd do a bit of research, and raise it through the proper channels, but sometimes it's hard to do the 'cool' thing.
I think Donegal won that game, so it wasn't done out of sour grapes, which is why I'd be surprised if there's nothing at all to it, but it may have been greatly overblown. Who knows? I doubt we'll know after the finding is published either, if my guess is correct about a 'Not proven' outcome.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 09:52:13 AM
I don't think Bonner covered himself in glory, but if he genuinely felt that happened, it's not surprising I suppose. I'd be very angry if it was one of my players. I'd like to think I'd do a bit of research, and raise it through the proper channels, but sometimes it's hard to do the 'cool' thing.
I think Donegal won that game, so it wasn't done out of sour grapes, which is why I'd be surprised if there's nothing at all to it, but it may have been greatly overblown. Who knows? I doubt we'll know after the finding is published either, if my guess is correct about a 'Not proven' outcome.
What a load of shit Offaly whatever happened (IMO not much) Declan Bonner was totally in the wrong to put a two young lads in a dangerous situation. Being in a high profile job he should have a duty of care as should Martin Carney who peddled this shit to thousands of listeners as if it was the gospel!!!!
That's what I said?
Quote from: longballin on November 04, 2015, 09:31:19 AM
Teamtalk is like a self appointed spokesman for Tyrone GAA and not for the first time was way out on their 'facts'...
Teamtalk are not a "self appointed spokesman". They are a core of people with a passion for GAA, mainly at club level, who promote it across the county through match updates and weekly radio commentary from selected club games, and often weekly radio chat shows, and who run an annual club all-stars banquet to honour club footballers. All in all, they are a resource that club people in any other county would kill to have and they deserve continued support.
No I highlighted what you said - the stance when people say 'he didn't cover himself in glory' conveys to me a message that whilst the way he went about it might have been flawed he was still right in what he was saying!
Whole thing stinks and the people in the wrong are getting off the hook!!!!
I meant he didn't do a good job. I thought that was a commonly understood phrase?
I do think it's understandable in a certain context, if he felt it really happened and was really angry about it. But I don't think he was right.
Kevin Cassidy has revealed that the Donegal minor player said to have been on the receiving end of what his county manager Declan Bonner described as "toxic" sledging from Tyrone opponents bears "no grudges" and "wanted the whole matter to go away."
Cassidy is a Gaoth Dobhair clubmate of the Donegal player in question, as well as having been good friends with the players' deceased father, and insists that he "wanted to find out the facts" before commenting on the matter, which he does in his exclusive column in today's Gaelic Life.
"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.
"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident."
The former Donegal star was also hugely critical of the handling of the incident by the Donegal camp, expressing his disappointment that it had got into the public domain in the first instance.
"The whole thing was wrongly handled from the off. If something is said on the field play and a player is unhappy with what has been said then it should go through the proper channels to ensure that it is dealt with appropriately instead of being dragged through the media."
Quote from: Snapchap on November 04, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
Quote from: longballin on November 04, 2015, 09:31:19 AM
Teamtalk is like a self appointed spokesman for Tyrone GAA and not for the first time was way out on their 'facts'...
Teamtalk are not a "self appointed spokesman". They are a core of people with a passion for GAA, mainly at club level, who promote it across the county through match updates and weekly radio commentary from selected club games, and often weekly radio chat shows, and who run an annual club all-stars banquet to honour club footballers. All in all, they are a resource that club people in any other county would kill to have and they deserve continued support.
They do all that which is a great service. Then they break these stories on some sort of hearsay which does Tyrone GAA no favours. Should have waited to see the official outcome instead of stirring up a row with Donegal again as they refute the Teamtalk story.
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
No I highlighted what you said - the stance when people say 'he didn't cover himself in glory' conveys to me a message that whilst the way he went about it might have been flawed he was still right in what he was saying!
Whole thing stinks and the people in the wrong are getting off the hook!!!!
So you know for a fact nothing was said?! Were you standing right in front of the young Tyrone lad when he was alleged to have said it?!
Bottom line is it's one word against another and Teamtalk have jumped the gun here bigtime and incorrectly! They've used quotation marks "did not take place" to make out it's a fact, suggesting that they are quoting directly from the Ulster Council statement which hasn't been released yet!!
At the end of the day we all agree Bonner shouldn't have run to the media with it and should have went through the proper channels as it was a horrible experience for both lads but tat doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
I meant he didn't do a good job. I thought that was a commonly understood phrase?
I do think it's understandable in a certain context, if he felt it really happened and was really angry about it. But I don't think he was right.
Lets not get into the definition debate IMO I just think its put in a way to soften the blow for someone who you agree was totally in the wrong!!!
Sorry, now, but you're the one that pulled me up on it because you defined it a certain way :) You can't tell me not to get into the definition of the phrase, when it means I think he was wrong, and you pulled me up because you thought I was saying he was right :)
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
No I highlighted what you said - the stance when people say 'he didn't cover himself in glory' conveys to me a message that whilst the way he went about it might have been flawed he was still right in what he was saying!
Whole thing stinks and the people in the wrong are getting off the hook!!!!
So you know for a fact nothing was said?! Were you standing right in front of the young Tyrone lad when he was alleged to have said it?!
Bottom line is it's one word against another and Teamtalk have jumped the gun here bigtime and incorrectly! They've used quotation marks "did not take place" to make out it's a fact, suggesting that they are quoting directly from the Ulster Council statement which hasn't been released yet!!
At the end of the day we all agree Bonner shouldn't have run to the media with it and should have went through the proper channels as it was a horrible experience for both lads but tat doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Where did I say I knew for a fact it didn't take place?
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
No I highlighted what you said - the stance when people say 'he didn't cover himself in glory' conveys to me a message that whilst the way he went about it might have been flawed he was still right in what he was saying!
Whole thing stinks and the people in the wrong are getting off the hook!!!!
So you know for a fact nothing was said?! Were you standing right in front of the young Tyrone lad when he was alleged to have said it?!
Bottom line is it's one word against another and Teamtalk have jumped the gun here bigtime and incorrectly! They've used quotation marks "did not take place" to make out it's a fact, suggesting that they are quoting directly from the Ulster Council statement which hasn't been released yet!!
At the end of the day we all agree Bonner shouldn't have run to the media with it and should have went through the proper channels as it was a horrible experience for both lads but tat doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Where did I say I knew for a fact it didn't take place?
Teamtalk strongly suggested that Tyrone, Donegal & Ulster GAA were about to issue statements refuting the claims.
Teamtalk couldn't have been more wrong regarding Donegal's statement.
Bonner should have stuck to process. But I can understand his anger and why it might have got the better of him. As AZOffaly said, if Donegal had lost, everyone would have painted a 'sour grapes' picture. But it is very unusual in GAA to hear complaints like that on the back of a win. People would need to feel very strongly about something for their emotions to demote a Championship win in favour of another issue.
This is a sad thread.
I'd just like to co-sign Kevin Cassidy's comments above, and also express disappointment in the posters on page 12 whose misplaced triumphalism only reveals ignorance of the specific incident, and more importantly of the nature of cases of any nature, built on verbal evidence.
Ah feck it, I'll post twice :P
The most important thing to remember is that both were minors at the time, although turning 19 hardly places a period on one of the most confusing periods of your life. The incident in question took place last summer, and for the participants in question that's where it should (and by all accounts if they are left to their own devices, will) stay. No one verbal incident in the messy minefield that is pre-A Level or Leaving Cert life, no matter how harsh an utterance, should follow someone around this long or further. Plainly, I'm sure all lessons that will be learned are learned by now, and please allow them to get on with their lives.
Meanwhile, while the adults in the case may have acted with the best of intentions, this isn't senior football, and more importantly these aren't senior footballers. A duty to protect your team is absolutely secondary to your duty to protect each individual under your care, just as your desire to protect your home county from having their name sullied or sport from nefarious activities is secondary to affording privacy to children who may require it.
Here's the official statement. Fair to say Teamtalk have somewhat exaggerated the outcome. It's a fan site, and people should be careful about quoting it.
http://gaeliclife.com/counties/ulster-gaa-to-keep-sledging-findings-confidential/?fb_ref=Default (http://gaeliclife.com/counties/ulster-gaa-to-keep-sledging-findings-confidential/?fb_ref=Default)
"We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee."
Teamtalk should also be careful of what they quote... they had quotes in their article which actually quoted nothing.
It will be interesting to hear their reply!!
If you juxtapose this comment from Teamtalk
"Teamtalk has this evening learned that a series of allegations attributed to Tyrone minor footballers during the championship game against Donegal, "did not take place" according to Ulster GAA."
with this one from the Ulster Council
"We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee."
Then it's not good for Teamtalk. And it's only going to reopen old wounds, which is very silly by them.
Quote from: Conallach on November 04, 2015, 03:47:42 PM
Ah feck it, I'll post twice :P
The most important thing to remember is that both were minors at the time, although turning 19 hardly places a period on one of the most confusing periods of your life. The incident in question took place last summer, and for the participants in question that's where it should (and by all accounts if they are left to their own devices, will) stay. No one verbal incident in the messy minefield that is pre-A Level or Leaving Cert life, no matter how harsh an utterance, should follow someone around this long or further. Plainly, I'm sure all lessons that will be learned are learned by now, and please allow them to get on with their lives.
Meanwhile, while the adults in the case may have acted with the best of intentions, this isn't senior football, and more importantly these aren't senior footballers. A duty to protect your team is absolutely secondary to your duty to protect each individual under your care, just as your desire to protect your home county from having their name sullied or sport from nefarious activities is secondary to affording privacy to children who may require it.
This is a good post, and it should also apply to Teamtalk, who seem to be the only ones who are trying to reopen it.
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
Teamtalk should also be careful of what they quote... they had quotes in their article which actually quoted nothing.
It will be interesting to hear their reply!!
You should also be careful about putting words in peoples mouth. I see you never came back to me when I questioned where I had said that I knew for a fact that it didn't take place!!!!
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 04:05:03 PM
Here's the official statement. Fair to say Teamtalk have somewhat exaggerated the outcome. It's a fan site, and people should be careful about quoting it.
http://gaeliclife.com/counties/ulster-gaa-to-keep-sledging-findings-confidential/?fb_ref=Default (http://gaeliclife.com/counties/ulster-gaa-to-keep-sledging-findings-confidential/?fb_ref=Default)
"We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee."
Its fair to say then that we can take it that it is possible that Tyrone did nothing wrong as the report is to remain confidential (There wasn't much point in preparing a report then) All seems a bit pointless to me.
Declan Bonner away in the smoke yet again!
Exactly. Pointless. In fact it's even more pointless than I thought. But it is instructive to note that they (the Ulster Council) and Dongal, both deny what was reported in Teamtalk.
As I said, this was always going to be a he said, no he said, thing, and it was going to be hard to prove either way.
Declan Bonner was wrong to pursue it that way, but whether it actually happened or not is no clearer today than it was then, so it should just be left lie. And Teamtalk's nonsense reporting of it has been shown to be just that.
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
Teamtalk should also be careful of what they quote... they had quotes in their article which actually quoted nothing.
It will be interesting to hear their reply!!
You should also be careful about putting words in peoples mouth. I see you never came back to me when I questioned where I had said that I knew for a fact that it didn't take place!!!!
I didn't say you knew for a fact it didn't take place I was asking a question! You had Bonner hung out to dry when you weren't privy to the detail of what happened and that's wrong. I see Teamtalkmag's FB has a lot of other Tyronie's looking him blamed as well last night.
Bonner felt that one of his players was badly wronged and I don't blame him for mentioning it to the media after a heated match it's only human. A mistake but I think an honest one as he probably thought he was looking after his player when the opposite was true upon reflection!
After all's said and done it's obvious it was one word against the other and the 3 parties have agreed to leave it in the past and don't want to talk about it again which makes Teamtalk's reporting of it even more stupid!!
Jeepers Screen your very twisted - your statement insinuated that I knew for a fact whether it was a question or not!
You hate Tyrone lets get over that fact!
I still feel exactly the same about Bonner and Carney for that matter - two people putting lads at risk (Donegal and Tyrone both) no matter what was said or not said - I think the onus should have been put not on sledging in the aftermath but on the duty of care our managers have for their underage players throughout the association!
Teamtalk probably made a mistake but I won't be taking either Ulster or Donegals word for it unless I actually see the report - I would have a feeling that the lads in teamtalk would have seen the document whether or not it was to be kept confidential or not.
Teamtalk report didn't come close. Desperate attempt to have big headline story.
So basically they did it, but cannot be banned due to lack of independent verification.
Its shocking that things have descended to this state, but maybe its time players were mic'd up.
If even half of the stuff you hear being said is true, its an awful state of affairs. [A lot of it is that vile that it would just not be made up - so I don't want to hear the usual "no proof" bullsh!te.]
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Jeepers Screen your very twisted - your statement insinuated that I knew for a fact whether it was a question or not!
You hate Tyrone lets get over that fact!
I still feel exactly the same about Bonner and Carney for that matter - two people putting lads at risk (Donegal and Tyrone both) no matter what was said or not said - I think the onus should have been put not on sledging in the aftermath but on the duty of care our managers have for their underage players throughout the association!
Teamtalk probably made a mistake but I won't be taking either Ulster or Donegals word for it unless I actually see the report - I would have a feeling that the lads in teamtalk would have seen the document whether or not it was to be kept confidential or not.
Are you sure about that?? I thought I hide it quite well!!
Regardless of that everything I've seen points to the fact that the young lad did it. At the time I thought it was the lowest of the low but on reflection we've all done stupid things on the football pitch in the heat of battle and I'm sure after this the young lad in question won't do it again which is all you can ask for really.
Teamtalk's response to the story they got wrong is basically to hang one of their Ulster Council delegates out to dry . . . I imagine one of those two will have to clear the air again!!! Crazy stuff should have been left well alone with the UC statement and that would have been it over!
The fact that the Ulstercouncil have kept their report confidential would suggest that there is something in it that was not to someones liking, or then again perhaps that they where trying to protect the young lads involved?
But I think we can take from it the following
- If something was said it should not have been said...
- If something was picked up wrongly by someone it is unfortunate.
- Declan Bonner should not have made a public statement it should have used the correct channels which in the end is what he had to do anyway. But I am sure he regrets it at this point, and if he trusted his player's (like any manager should) I am sure he was understandbly very angry.
- Teamtalkmag should keep their mouths shut but considering who likely wrote it, it is unsurprising that they jumped to conclusions and proclaimed it from the rooftops. Although in fairness I dont think that they claim to be a traditional media outlet with sources and editors etc, its a step up from twitter or facebook
On another point Im not sure if anyone has managed to actually fall out with AZOffaly before. But I am sick of his constant level-headness, fair mindedness, reason, and examining all sides and perspectives. So its about time someone twisted his words to mean something other than what he was trying to project and called him out on it.
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
Regardless of that everything I've seen points to the fact that the young lad did it.
I haven't heard anything that points to the allegation being true. If someone came out and said "Screenexile is a murderer - he murdered someone this morning" does that mean its true?
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Jeepers Screen your very twisted - your statement insinuated that I knew for a fact whether it was a question or not!
You hate Tyrone lets get over that fact!
I still feel exactly the same about Bonner and Carney for that matter - two people putting lads at risk (Donegal and Tyrone both) no matter what was said or not said - I think the onus should have been put not on sledging in the aftermath but on the duty of care our managers have for their underage players throughout the association!
Teamtalk probably made a mistake but I won't be taking either Ulster or Donegals word for it unless I actually see the report - I would have a feeling that the lads in teamtalk would have seen the document whether or not it was to be kept confidential or not.
Are you sure about that?? I thought I hide it quite well!!
Regardless of that everything I've seen points to the fact that the young lad did it. At the time I thought it was the lowest of the low but on reflection we've all done stupid things on the football pitch in the heat of battle and I'm sure after this the young lad in question won't do it again which is all you can ask for really.
Teamtalk's response to the story they got wrong is basically to hang one of their Ulster Council delegates out to dry . . . I imagine one of those two will have to clear the air again!!! Crazy stuff should have been left well alone with the UC statement and that would have been it over!
No you dont, in fact the rest of your post is a good indicator of your level of bias
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 04, 2015, 05:27:22 PM
So basically they did it, but cannot be banned due to lack of independent verification.
Its shocking that things have descended to this state, but maybe its time players were mic'd up.
If even half of the stuff you hear being said is true, its an awful state of affairs. [A lot of it is that vile that it would just not be made up - so I don't want to hear the usual "no proof" bullsh!te.]
If yer serious you really need catch yourself on
If your WUMMING... good work you've already caught WT4E
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:48:48 PM
If yer serious you really need catch yourself on
If your WUMMING... good work you've already caught WT4E
He hasn't caught me I'm too busy arguing with this screen man! lol
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:48:48 PM
If yer serious you really need catch yourself on
The 2nd half of the post does not talk about Tyrone or any county in particular.
Its just reflect of the dismal state of affairs.
Dunno about you, but I don't play football to have people having a go at my family's darkest moments.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
The fact that the Ulstercouncil have kept their report confidential would suggest that there is something in it that was not to someones liking, or then again perhaps that they where trying to protect the young lads involved?
But I think we can take from it the following
- If something was said it should not have been said...
- If something was picked up wrongly by someone it is unfortunate.
- Declan Bonner should not have made a public statement it should have used the correct channels which in the end is what he had to do anyway. But I am sure he regrets it at this point, and if he trusted his player's (like any manager should) I am sure he was understandbly very angry.
- Teamtalkmag should keep their mouths shut but considering who likely wrote it, it is unsurprising that they jumped to conclusions and proclaimed it from the rooftops. Although in fairness I dont think that they claim to be a traditional media outlet with sources and editors etc, its a step up from twitter or facebook
On another point Im not sure if anyone has managed to actually fall out with AZOffaly before. But I am sick of his constant level-headness, fair mindedness, reason, and examining all sides and perspectives. So its about time someone twisted his words to mean something other than what he was trying to project and called him out on it.
Fair points all round.
see donegal chairman accusing teamtalk of untrue statement and requesting tyrone co board issues statement to that effect messy
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
You had Bonner hung out to dry when you weren't privy to the detail of what happened and that's wrong...
Yeah you shouldn't proclaim something to be the truth when you don't know the whole facts, eh Screenexile?
Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2015, 12:34:15 AM
So not only have Tyrone players called out a lad for his Father dying of cancer but...
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
The fact that the Ulstercouncil have kept their report confidential would suggest that there is something in it that was not to someones liking, or then again perhaps that they where trying to protect the young lads involved?
But I think we can take from it the following
- If something was said it should not have been said...
- If something was picked up wrongly by someone it is unfortunate.
- Declan Bonner should not have made a public statement it should have used the correct channels which in the end is what he had to do anyway. But I am sure he regrets it at this point, and if he trusted his player's (like any manager should) I am sure he was understandbly very angry.
- Teamtalkmag should keep their mouths shut but considering who likely wrote it, it is unsurprising that they jumped to conclusions and proclaimed it from the rooftops. Although in fairness I dont think that they claim to be a traditional media outlet with sources and editors etc, its a step up from twitter or facebook
On another point Im not sure if anyone has managed to actually fall out with AZOffaly before. But I am sick of his constant level-headness, fair mindedness, reason, and examining all sides and perspectives. So its about time someone twisted his words to mean something other than what he was trying to project and called him out on it.
Wow OmaghJoe.
I found myself nodding in agreement with everything.......
.....until the bizarre last bit.
I assume you forgot the smilie?
The question is for teamtalk to answer (whoever their editor is). If they are going to join the media gang then their has to be accountability.
They have allegeded that they have inside information proving that the Ulster GAA account says that there was no sledging took place. Ulster GAA have said that their (we assume it is theirs) account is wrong.
So who is their source and why did they say that? And will they comment now? Ulster GAA have called them into question. So where to now?
Will they respond or accept they are wrong and accept they put out misleading comments?
Quote from: muppet on November 04, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
The fact that the Ulstercouncil have kept their report confidential would suggest that there is something in it that was not to someones liking, or then again perhaps that they where trying to protect the young lads involved?
But I think we can take from it the following
- If something was said it should not have been said...
- If something was picked up wrongly by someone it is unfortunate.
- Declan Bonner should not have made a public statement it should have used the correct channels which in the end is what he had to do anyway. But I am sure he regrets it at this point, and if he trusted his player's (like any manager should) I am sure he was understandbly very angry.
- Teamtalkmag should keep their mouths shut but considering who likely wrote it, it is unsurprising that they jumped to conclusions and proclaimed it from the rooftops. Although in fairness I dont think that they claim to be a traditional media outlet with sources and editors etc, its a step up from twitter or facebook
On another point Im not sure if anyone has managed to actually fall out with AZOffaly before. But I am sick of his constant level-headness, fair mindedness, reason, and examining all sides and perspectives. So its about time someone twisted his words to mean something other than what he was trying to project and called him out on it.
Wow OmaghJoe.
I found myself nodding in agreement with everything.......
.....until the bizarre last bit.
I assume you forgot the smilie?
Yeah OmaghJoe he's a right bollix is that AZOffaly - Insert smilie here.
Rest of your post is spot on too...
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2015, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 04, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
Teamtalk should also be careful of what they quote... they had quotes in their article which actually quoted nothing.
It will be interesting to hear their reply!!
You should also be careful about putting words in peoples mouth. I see you never came back to me when I questioned where I had said that I knew for a fact that it didn't take place!!!!
I didn't say you knew for a fact it didn't take place I was asking a question! You had Bonner hung out to dry when you weren't privy to the detail of what happened and that's wrong. I see Teamtalkmag's FB has a lot of other Tyronie's looking him blamed as well last night.
Bonner felt that one of his players was badly wronged and I don't blame him for mentioning it to the media after a heated match it's only human. A mistake but I think an honest one as he probably thought he was looking after his player when the opposite was true upon reflection!
After all's said and done it's obvious it was one word against the other and the 3 parties have agreed to leave it in the past and don't want to talk about it again which makes Teamtalk's reporting of it even more stupid!!
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think Bonner made his comments to the media after a heated battle when passions were running high. Didn't he mention it in an article on the Thursday after the game? He had plenty of time to give it rational thought and still chose to hang the Tyrone lad out to dry based on one sided evidence. Regardless of whether the incident happened or not, Bonner's actions, in my opinion, seriously call into question his judgement when dealing with young players. I'm sure the young Donegal lad didn't thank him for his intervention and media scrum he brought down on him either.
Quote from: muppet on November 04, 2015, 07:57:14 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 04, 2015, 05:40:45 PM
The fact that the Ulstercouncil have kept their report confidential would suggest that there is something in it that was not to someones liking, or then again perhaps that they where trying to protect the young lads involved?
But I think we can take from it the following
- If something was said it should not have been said...
- If something was picked up wrongly by someone it is unfortunate.
- Declan Bonner should not have made a public statement it should have used the correct channels which in the end is what he had to do anyway. But I am sure he regrets it at this point, and if he trusted his player's (like any manager should) I am sure he was understandbly very angry.
- Teamtalkmag should keep their mouths shut but considering who likely wrote it, it is unsurprising that they jumped to conclusions and proclaimed it from the rooftops. Although in fairness I dont think that they claim to be a traditional media outlet with sources and editors etc, its a step up from twitter or facebook
On another point Im not sure if anyone has managed to actually fall out with AZOffaly before. But I am sick of his constant level-headness, fair mindedness, reason, and examining all sides and perspectives. So its about time someone twisted his words to mean something other than what he was trying to project and called him out on it.
Wow OmaghJoe.
I found myself nodding in agreement with everything.......
.....until the bizarre last bit.
I assume you forgot the smilie?
He has a point though :P
Reading reports of this today in Irish News with statement from Ulster Council and Donegal - Teamtalk have made the situation worse for Tyrone rather than exonerate anyone. Should have said nothing rather than try to grab the headlines... amateurish.
I fell out with hardstation once. But it was my fault.
QuoteIrish News
Declan Bonner, who managed the Donegal minor side this year, branded the magazine a "disgrace"
I think its a bit rich for Bonner to be calling anyone a disgrace in this whole situation!
A lot of very biased views on this topic. As a neutral I'll try to add some balance.
1. Bonner should never have opened his mouth but as a manager of young players I can understand his frustration
2. Ulster Council very slow to investigate and had an obligation to address. They failed miserably.
3. Based on all info in my mind this alleged incident probably happened - (why would the Donegal Capt have cried after a game?)
4. Teamtalkmag (whoever the hell they are!) were embarrassingly stupid with their cheap headline and no substance. If I was from Tyrone I would genuinely be embarrassed by this dishonest attempt to spin.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
Quote from: ck on November 05, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
A lot of very biased views on this topic. As a neutral I'll try to add some balance.
1. Bonner should never have opened his mouth but as a manager of young players I can understand his frustration
2. Ulster Council very slow to investigate and had an obligation to address. They failed miserably.
3. Based on all info in my mind this alleged incident probably happened - (why would the Donegal Capt have cried after a game?)
4. Teamtalkmag (whoever the hell they are!) were embarrassingly stupid with their cheap headline and no substance. If I was from Tyrone I would genuinely be embarrassed by this dishonest attempt to spin.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
How could it say the incident happened if it didn't have any proof? Surely proof is the only thing that can "prove" if the incident happened or not? Otherwise it's hearsay (Which doesn't say that it didn't happen either). I'd say the reason it's not released is due to the fact it involves minors.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 05, 2015, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: ck on November 05, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
A lot of very biased views on this topic. As a neutral I'll try to add some balance.
1. Bonner should never have opened his mouth but as a manager of young players I can understand his frustration
2. Ulster Council very slow to investigate and had an obligation to address. They failed miserably.
3. Based on all info in my mind this alleged incident probably happened - (why would the Donegal Capt have cried after a game?)
4. Teamtalkmag (whoever the hell they are!) were embarrassingly stupid with their cheap headline and no substance. If I was from Tyrone I would genuinely be embarrassed by this dishonest attempt to spin.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
How could it say the incident happened if it didn't have any proof? Surely proof is the only thing that can "prove" if the incident happened or not? Otherwise it's hearsay (Which doesn't say that it didn't happen either). I'd say the reason it's not released is due to the fact it involves minors.
Whose to say it hasn't been released because someone told the lad aggrieved that they heard a Tyrone player say it and then when investigated he said he made it up - and the Ulster Counil want to protect a minor (and rightly so) from any fall out from such an incident.
There's thousands of things it could be but to say that what we can take from it is that it did happen and they are not just publishing that is completely wrong!
Quote from: ck on November 05, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
A lot of very biased views on this topic. As a neutral I'll try to add some balance.
1. Bonner should never have opened his mouth but as a manager of young players I can understand his frustration
2. Ulster Council very slow to investigate and had an obligation to address. They failed miserably.
3. Based on all info in my mind this alleged incident probably happened - (why would the Donegal Capt have cried after a game?)
4. Teamtalkmag (whoever the hell they are!) were embarrassingly stupid with their cheap headline and no substance. If I was from Tyrone I would genuinely be embarrassed by this dishonest attempt to spin.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
Completely bizarre and insular mindset that you have.
Quote from: WT4E on November 05, 2015, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 05, 2015, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: ck on November 05, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
A lot of very biased views on this topic. As a neutral I'll try to add some balance.
1. Bonner should never have opened his mouth but as a manager of young players I can understand his frustration
2. Ulster Council very slow to investigate and had an obligation to address. They failed miserably.
3. Based on all info in my mind this alleged incident probably happened - (why would the Donegal Capt have cried after a game?)
4. Teamtalkmag (whoever the hell they are!) were embarrassingly stupid with their cheap headline and no substance. If I was from Tyrone I would genuinely be embarrassed by this dishonest attempt to spin.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
How could it say the incident happened if it didn't have any proof? Surely proof is the only thing that can "prove" if the incident happened or not? Otherwise it's hearsay (Which doesn't say that it didn't happen either). I'd say the reason it's not released is due to the fact it involves minors.
Whose to say it hasn't been released because someone told the lad aggrieved that they heard a Tyrone player say it and then when investigated he said he made it up - and the Ulster Counil want to protect a minor (and rightly so) from any fall out from such an incident.
There's thousands of things it could be but to say that what we can take from it is that it did happen and they are not just publishing that is completely wrong!
Have you had a peak at something😜
Irish News has reported on the Ulster Council report. It has found that while sledging did occur, it was not about the death of a player's father.
Looks to me like Teamtalk's version of events has been vindicated and Donegal's claim that the Teamtalk statement was factually incorrect, was itself factually incorrect.
I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.
Where did you see that?
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2015, 09:15:07 AM
Where did you see that?
The Irish News, Page 70.
" A copy of the report, seen by The Irish News, says "On balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments toward the Donegal player during the game. Both County Committees and the Investigation Committee
accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father".
I wonder if Donegal knew that it would get leaked to the paper, would they have been so quick to claim that Teamtalk's statement was "factually incorrect".
Quote from: Snapchap on November 06, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.
Chris Bayliss
Sep 7th 2010, 15:40
As a British university student, I hear the term 'man up' used very regularly, frequently by women to other women, as an imperative meaning 'stop being a sissy'. In its modern ubiquity in the UK, which (I gather) is generally down to younger, middle-class people in informal speech, I have never heard it used to mean 'do the right thing'.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2010/09/political_correctness
Quote from: Snapchap on November 06, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Irish News has reported on the Ulster Council report. It has found that while sledging did occur, it was not about the death of a player's father.
Looks to me like Teamtalk's version of events has been vindicated and Donegal's claim that the Teamtalk statement was factually incorrect, was itself factually incorrect.
I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There you have it the man most definitely in the wrong here is Declan Bonner. He should apologise as should Martin Carney for the crap he was peddling in the media that made a boy's (pretty much a juvenile) life hell.
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
There you have it the man most definitely in the wrong here is Declan Bonner. He should apologise as should Martin Carney for the crap he was peddling in the media that made a boy's (pretty much a juvenile) life hell.
If that Irish News Report it correct, then yes, he absolutely should apologise. I still don't understand the motivation for Donegal making it up. They won the game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2015, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
There you have it the man most definitely in the wrong here is Declan Bonner. He should apologise as should Martin Carney for the crap he was peddling in the media that made a boy's (pretty much a juvenile) life hell.
If that Irish News Report it correct, then yes, he absolutely should apologise. I still don't understand the motivation for Donegal making it up. They won the game.
Im not sure it was a case of completely making it up.
I would suspect it was more likely that something as misheard, or a comment was made completely unrelated to the lads father, and Donegal pushed the nuclear button (probably alot down to the reputation Tyrone have gained)
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
And there it is.
The everybody does it defence so its okay.
Its does not happen in every sport.
Its an issue for Tyrone because 4 times this year your county teams have been involved in serious sledging incidents.
Tyrone Gaa have to deal with it instead of trying to deflect from the issue.
Lads are still celebrating RedHand.
Hope they sober for the start of the league
It was a deal ffs.
Look at it. It is one player's word agains the other.
So they concoct a deal, 'yes there was sledging', but 'no he didn't say that' (nobody mentions what was said). Everyone shakes hands and put out a joint statement.
Oxo.
The only problem with the deal, is the knobs who go on a solo run claiming to be vindicated. Hello Teamtalk.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
And there it is.
The everybody does it defence so its okay.
Its does not happen in every sport
I would say it happens in the majority of sports. I'm sure you could find the odd sport where it does happen, but in most team sports it is there and has always happened.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
And there it is.
The everybody does it defence so its okay.
Its does not happen in every sport
I would say it happens in the majority of sports. I'm sure you could find the odd sport where it does happen, but in most team sports it is there and has always happened.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
And there it is.
The everybody does it defence so its okay.
Its does not happen in every sport
I would say it happens in the majority of sports. I'm sure you could find the odd sport where it does happen, but in most team sports it is there and has always happened.
Any serious sledging is dealt with by most sports.
Rugby has very little issue with it at the elite kevel.
Soccer had the John Terry incident with Rio junior where they tried to deal with.
Elite soccer players are now that concerned with what they say to each other they put there hands over their mouth so that camera's do not pick up on it.
Seems to still be an issue in Cricket at the top level but they have tried to deal with it and the stump mic's have seen players be very careful now about what they say in case the match referee picks up on it and docks them their match fee.
The problem is that the Gaa do not want to properly tackle the issue.
The GPA also has a role to play in this.
They went out of their way last year to warn players about giving verbal's to a certain player.
They have to play a more proactive role as well.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Any serious sledging is dealt with by most sports.
Rugby has very little issue with it at the elite kevel.
Soccer had the John Terry incident with Rio junior where they tried to deal with.
Elite soccer players are now that concerned with what they say to each other they put there hands over their mouth so that camera's do not pick up on it.
Seems to still be an issue in Cricket at the top level but they have tried to deal with it and the stump mic's have seen players be very careful now about what they say in case the match referee picks up on it and docks them their match fee.
The problem is that the Gaa do not want to properly tackle the issue.
The GPA also has a role to play in this.
They went out of their way last year to warn players about giving verbal's to a certain player.
They have to play a more proactive role as well.
So you agree that the majority of counties are involved not just Tyrone - People buy into the anti Tyrone bullshit which has been peddled by the media due to Mickey Hartes stance on RTE and other things (which I totally disagree with Mickey about)
People need to realise what they are being fed and step back and realise that Tyrone coaches, players and supporters aren't that bad a folk at all. PLes
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 10:13:10 AM
Lads Bonner was wrong.
No doubt about that.
Teamtalk were also wrong.
The bigger issue for Tyrone Gaa is sledging.
It has arisen as an issue for your Senior, Under 21 and minor teams this year.
Having attended quite a few senior club championship games in the county it seems to be fairly common in club games as well.
Wise up you fool, it happens everywhere and on every pitch, in every sport. Tyrone in the right so still try and turn it round to take a pot shot!
I hope they have finally dragged your county team of croke park or are they still there celebrating defeat?
And there it is.
The everybody does it defence so its okay.
Its does not happen in every sport
I would say it happens in the majority of sports. I'm sure you could find the odd sport where it does happen, but in most team sports it is there and has always happened.
Yes and No
I believe it happens in most sports, but the nasty personal stuff is not as widespread.
I never wasted my energy on sledging. I was thought that a quiet opponent was a far better strategy. Never let the opposition know what your thinking!!!
But I've played with lads who never missed an opportunity to sledge when their maker made a mistake, which I believe is fair game, "bad miss" their warming up your replacement" etc, but not personal stuff about family
The first time I cam across the personal BS was playing against St Jarleths in a Hogan Cup final. During the national anthem a couple of their players never shut up about "it was their anthem" and that we were "Brits". It was totally lost on them that we were paying "their anthem" the proper respect, and they were disrespecting it.
During the game, one of our players kept singing "take it down from the mast", which really got under the opponents skin. And that's the other reason why I never sledged, you'll always come up against someone who can do it better than you!!!!!
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2015, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 06, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Irish News has reported on the Ulster Council report. It has found that while sledging did occur, it was not about the death of a player's father.
Looks to me like Teamtalk's version of events has been vindicated and Donegal's claim that the Teamtalk statement was factually incorrect, was itself factually incorrect.
I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Teamtalk far from vindicated in all this.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
What minor thing are you on about?
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
Quote from: longballin on November 06, 2015, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: WT4E on November 06, 2015, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 06, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Irish News has reported on the Ulster Council report. It has found that while sledging did occur, it was not about the death of a player's father.
Looks to me like Teamtalk's version of events has been vindicated and Donegal's claim that the Teamtalk statement was factually incorrect, was itself factually incorrect.
I wonder will Declan Bonner man up and apologise.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Teamtalk far from vindicated in all this.
I agree TT aren't vindicated but I'm just happy that it has been proved on here a lot of peole were making assumptions that Tyrone were guilty of something when they hadn't seen the report.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What do you find hard to accept??? You seem to have accepted your own counties sledging but can't accept Tyrone minors which the only thing we know about the sledging is the fact that the accusation made about the comments is wrong.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
At senior level Yes.
At minor level I have not witnessed it
My day job involves working closely with young people aged 16-19 and they are very complex characters at that age. They are, in many aspects, fully fledged adults but still have many, many insecurities that can cause them to do things that are deemed socially unacceptable and often out of character. They are also pretty good at exaggerating comments made, sledging each other and winding each other up - some might call it banter but often it can get out of hand, resulting in fights etc. A very high proportion of serious incidents that occur at my school arise due to hearsay insults - (i.e. "He called your mother a whatever or he said he shagged your girlfriend or he made this comment about you on Facebook") and young people are good at making stories sound much more elaborate than they actually are. I wonder was there a bit of exaggeration or elaboration of the sledging that didn't help here?
This incident, whatever way it happened should have been handled much better by the adults in charge and it should never have seen the light of day to the media!! People will say that these sort of serious incidents need to be highlighted - I think this is bollox when you are dealing with minors. If it happened, Declan Bonner should have had a quiet word with a member of the Tyrone management team or county board officer and informed him of what had happened and maybe the Ulster council to ensure it was followed up. If Tyrone found nothing then leave it at that and move on, the onus is on the adults in charge of the Tyrone team to investigate this and deal with it as they see fit in the context of their role as having a duty of care for these kids - and that includes pulling them up when they make serious mistakes. We have elected people in place on county boards to deal with incidents like this and child protection officers too - let them do their jobs!
Once Bonner makes that complaint his role is over, he's done what he can and he can concentrate on helping his own player deal with the situation and hope that Tyrone deal with it in an effective way. What you don't do is run to the press and write a full article about it in Donegal News and inflame the incident bringing a huge media scrum down on both sides. I hope lessons are learned from this as I'd be very unhappy if were entering into a time where incidents that occur in Minor matches are given the full trial by media that is currently reserved for the senior teams (which is bad enough)
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
At Amateur soccer level may be.
But I think that inter county Gaa is a good bit above that
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:50:29 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
At Amateur soccer level may be.
But I think that inter county Gaa is a good bit above that
You never answered the question!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 06, 2015, 11:50:01 AM
My day job involves working closely with young people aged 16-19 and they are very complex characters at that age. They are, in many aspects, fully fledged adults but still have many, many insecurities that can cause them to do things that are deemed socially unacceptable and often out of character. They are also pretty good at exaggerating comments made, sledging each other and winding each other up - some might call it banter but often it can get out of hand, resulting in fights etc. A very high proportion of serious incidents that occur at my school arise due to hearsay insults - (i.e. "He called your mother a whatever or he said he shagged your girlfriend or he made this comment about you on Facebook") and young people are good at making stories sound much more elaborate than they actually are. I wonder was there a bit of exaggeration or elaboration of the sledging that didn't help here?
This incident, whatever way it happened should have been handled much better by the adults in charge and it should never have seen the light of day to the media!! People will say that these sort of serious incidents need to be highlighted - I think this is bollox when you are dealing with minors. If it happened, Declan Bonner should have had a quiet word with a member of the Tyrone management team or county board officer and informed him of what had happened. If Tyrone found nothing then leave it at that and move on, the onus is on the adults in charge of the Tyrone team to investigate this and deal with it as they see fit in the context of their role as having a duty of care for these kids - and that includes pulling them up when they make serious mistakes. We have elected people in place on county boards to deal with incidents like this and child protection officers too - let them do their jobs!
Once Bonner makes that complaint his role is over, he's done what he can and he can concentrate on helping his own player deal with the situation and hope that Tyrone deal with it in an effective way. What you don't do is run to the press and write a full article about it in Donegal News and inflame the incident bringing a huge media scrum down on both sides. I hope lessons are learned from this as I'd be very unhappy if were entering into a time where incidents that occur in Minor matches are given the full trial by media that is currently reserved for the senior teams (which is bad enough)
Good post! Well put the only thing we know for sure at this stage is that it never happened. Awaiting Bonner's apology!
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
Its done in soccer makes it okay then. After all we have learnt from soccer's diving antics!
Quote from: longballin on November 06, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
Its done in soccer makes it okay then. After all we have learnt from soccer's diving antics!
I don't think anyone is saying its okay just some people are saying its not okay for one particular county to do it!
Time for all counties and teams to stamp it out but easier said than done - Donegal have their own problems with it too.
Is it fair to say it is endemic in Tyrone club football? I've spoken to a fair few Tyrone lads in real life (i.e. not here) and they've all said that this is getting out of hand in their own club football?
For what it's worth I don't think Mickey Harte or anyone else actively condones this in Tyrone, but if it has crept into Club football up there, at a high level, then it's only natural that it will spill over onto the inter county set up.
Chatter has always happened, but I would never have had the negative connotations I have with some of what is reported now. There are examples of personal stuff in the past, Liam Hayes and his brother's death being a prime example, but they were very rare and I certainly never heard it. We've all heard the 'Are you still on , have they no subs? ' kind of thing, but this new wave of stuff is beyond the pale.
As regards this specific incident, I'm afraid now that we've had the pre-emptive strike by teamtalk, and the statement by Ulster Council, and the leak to the Irish News, then the contents of the report will have to come out. It's a pity it's all been reopened again by a rash social media post, but at this stage Donegal will feel aggrieved on the back of the IN report, so I'd expect them to come out themselves, or else put pressure on the UC to issue a clarification.
If they don't then Bonner will have been hung out to dry, and that means he'll probably hit back in some column soon too. Messy.
Of course, if Dongal and Bonner misunderstood the sledging, or made up the accusation completely, then they should absolutely apologise to the young lads they accused, and to Tyrone GAA in general.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
Is it fair to say it is endemic in Tyrone club football? I've spoken to a fair few Tyrone lads in real life (i.e. not here) and they've all said that this is getting out of hand in their own club football?
For what it's worth I don't think Mickey Harte or anyone else actively condones this in Tyrone, but if it has crept into Club football up there, at a high level, then it's only natural that it will spill over onto the inter county set up.
Chatter has always happened, but I would never have had the negative connotations I have with some of what is reported now. There are examples of personal stuff in the past, Liam Hayes and his brother's death being a prime example, but they were very rare and I certainly never heard it. We've all heard the 'Are you still on , have they no subs? ' kind of thing, but this new wave of stuff is beyond the pale.
As regards this specific incident, I'm afraid now that we've had the pre-emptive strike by teamtalk, and the statement by Ulster Council, and the leak to the Irish News, then the contents of the report will have to come out. It's a pity it's all been reopened again by a rash social media post, but at this stage Donegal will feel aggrieved on the back of the IN report, so I'd expect them to come out themselves, or else put pressure on the UC to issue a clarification.
If they don't then Bonner will have been hung out to dry, and that means he'll probably hit back in some column soon too. Messy.
I wouldn't have said so AZ.
I have played in Tyrone club football for 17 years, through all the divisions and I can only think of once or twice in games I have been involved in, that I have heard anything (or even heard second hand ) that I would regard as 'beyond the pale' type stuff.
As you say, you get the 'is that sub warming up for you' , 'how many is that you have missed now' etc all the time (in pretty much every game) , but that's in a completely different league , and if you cant cope with that sort of stuff you shouldn't be playing competitive sport at all.
Now I have heard reports of different stuff going on in other club games , but again it would be quite rare and usually is attributed to one or two individuals, that would have a reputation for it, rather than it being some sort of epidemic.
Fair enough. I work with 3 lads from Tyrone, different clubs, and they often tell me stories about stuff on the field. MAybe they're just playing on the reputation, or trying to tell a good yarn, but I wouldn't be in their company all together, and there's remarkable consistency about what they say :)
Quote from: longballin on November 06, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on November 06, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
The sledging that took place in the minor match between Tyrone and Donegal.
What sledging thing? About the lads father? Did you not read above it did not happen.
Or the fact that some minor footballers talk crap to each other on the pitch? It happens catch a grip.
Rugby soccer are miked up the eyeballs these days so players know they wouldn't get away with it. At amteur level it happens every weekend on the soccer pitch, far worse than anything I have experienced on a gaelic pitch. I play Fermanagh and western so plenty of your county men involved in it
Its done in soccer makes it okay then. After all we have learnt from soccer's diving antics!
When did I say it was okay? Tyrone GAA were singled out by this poster which is ridiculous.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 06, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
Is it fair to say it is endemic in Tyrone club football? I've spoken to a fair few Tyrone lads in real life (i.e. not here) and they've all said that this is getting out of hand in their own club football?
For what it's worth I don't think Mickey Harte or anyone else actively condones this in Tyrone, but if it has crept into Club football up there, at a high level, then it's only natural that it will spill over onto the inter county set up.
Chatter has always happened, but I would never have had the negative connotations I have with some of what is reported now. There are examples of personal stuff in the past, Liam Hayes and his brother's death being a prime example, but they were very rare and I certainly never heard it. We've all heard the 'Are you still on , have they no subs? ' kind of thing, but this new wave of stuff is beyond the pale.
As regards this specific incident, I'm afraid now that we've had the pre-emptive strike by teamtalk, and the statement by Ulster Council, and the leak to the Irish News, then the contents of the report will have to come out. It's a pity it's all been reopened again by a rash social media post, but at this stage Donegal will feel aggrieved on the back of the IN report, so I'd expect them to come out themselves, or else put pressure on the UC to issue a clarification.
If they don't then Bonner will have been hung out to dry, and that means he'll probably hit back in some column soon too. Messy.
I wouldn't have said so AZ.
I have played in Tyrone club football for 17 years, through all the divisions and I can only think of once or twice in games I have been involved in, that I have heard anything (or even heard second hand ) that I would regard as 'beyond the pale' type stuff.
As you say, you get the 'is that sub warming up for you' , 'how many is that you have missed now' etc all the time (in pretty much every game) , but that's in a completely different league , and if you cant cope with that sort of stuff you shouldn't be playing competitive sport at all.
Now I have heard reports of different stuff going on in other club games , but again it would be quite rare and usually is attributed to one or two individuals, that would have a reputation for it, rather than it being some sort of epidemic.
I have to agree with this - I played football with my own club all my life and coming to an end soon I'd say and I have never heard anything over the top. I honestly think that their is unfair bias towards Tyrone on this issue.
The only time I have ever been offended (for someone else) on the pitch was when I was playing football in another county whilst I was away for a year in a Leinster county. A player on the opposing team I'd guess about 30 told a player on our team who had clearly a bit of mixed race and was approx 18 to go and join ISIS you P*ki C. I told the player he was a disgrace to his club and the GAA but he just laughed - I left it at that. The young fella was clearly annoyed!
I hope sledging never happens again but it will and the I'm just glad that Tyrone minors didn't mention a players dead father like Declan Bonner wrongfully accused them of.
Couple of lads saying teamtalk have not been vindicated but haven't explained their logic.
Teamtalk got wind that the ulster council report found that sledging about a player's father's death didn't happen, and that has turned out to be 100% accurate.
And so it continues...
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/11/county-we-stand-by-our-comments/
Im confused..... the IN articles, UC and DCB statements all say that the Teamtalkmag report was incorrect. But the IN article seems to verify that they were correct....
Is the confusion and apparent contradictions down to explicitness and specifics?
Unfortunately for the young lads involved it looks like the UC need to release the report
I think the Tyrone CB have made a huge error agreeing to this. The families & clubs of the 2 accused lads are not happy and won't let it rest.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 06, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
Im confused..... the IN articles, UC and DCB statements all say that the Teamtalkmag report was incorrect. But the IN article seems to verify that they were correct....
Is the confusion and apparent contradictions down to explicitness and specifics?
Unfortunately for the young lads involved it looks like the UC need to release the report
It's an extremely unsatisfactory situation for all the parties involved, ie. the minor players. Serious questions need to be asked of how it has been handled from the day of the game.
Firstly, regardless of the alleged nature of the "sledging" Declan Bonnar needs to go from his position. His behaviour from the day of the incident has been very poor and breached the clear directives in place for working with underage players.
Secondly, Teamtalk are a very valuable club resource in Tyrone but they should never have become embroiled in this. I don't believe in cover ups or letting sleeping dogs lay but to start reporting on parts of the report when it cannot be made public is poor form.
Finally, how the Irish News managed to see the report needs to be investigated and whoever showed it to them needs to face disciplinary action from the Ulster Council.
When all is said and done the thing that needs to be remembered is that ALL those directly involved are youths/children and have been failed by the very organisation they where representing on the day in question.
Unfortunately it seems this sort of appalling behaviour is rife at all levels in Tyrone football. It is obviously condoned by supporters, players and management to a large extent.
Quote from: The Stallion on November 06, 2015, 07:52:48 PM
Unfortunately it seems this sort of appalling behaviour is rife at all levels in Tyrone football. It is obviously condoned by supporters, players and management to a large extent.
you must be very stupid or very biased. The report said it didn't happen so what behaviour is appalling and can you give other examples of how it is rife in Tyrone football?
There are countless examples of shameful behaviour in Tyrone football as you are no doubt aware.
Quote from: The Stallion on November 06, 2015, 08:05:18 PM
There are countless examples of shameful behaviour in Tyrone football as you are no doubt aware.
Very stupid it is then....Stop talking dung.
During this type of situation you should remain quiet, crawl back under the rock you came from and sit tight until you have another mock outrage with which you can exercise your bias.
Standard aggressive reaction from Tyrone supporters there.
I have no anti-Tyrone agenda. I think they have some excellent footballers and there is much to admire about Tyrone GAA. I just don't like to see the shameful sledging Tyrone players regularly indulge in. It's rather pathetic.
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
Quote from: The Stallion on November 06, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
Standard aggressive reaction from Tyrone supporters there.
I have no anti-Tyrone agenda. I think they have some excellent footballers and there is much to admire about Tyrone GAA. I just don't like to see the shameful sledging Tyrone players regularly indulge in. It's rather pathetic.
::)
Yeah even tho your posts suggest otherwise
What about the exTyrone player your best buds with have you got his opinion on the latest report?
BTW whats your own opinion on it... you havent even stated it, just started slaggin Tyrone off
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
you work for the ulster herald ck?
I haven't canvassed his opinion yet but no doubt he's embarrassed by the actions of many Tyrone folk.
My opinion is that it's never nice to see deplorable behaviour in the Gaa, but unfortunately it seems all to common in Tyrone.
Quote from: The Stallion on November 06, 2015, 10:41:41 PM
I haven't canvassed his opinion yet but no doubt he's embarrassed by the actions of many Tyrone folk.
My opinion is that it's never nice to see deplorable behaviour in the Gaa, but unfortunately it seems all to common in Tyrone.
What have Tyrone done in this instance?
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
For accurately reporting on a GAA story?
Quote from: The Stallion on November 06, 2015, 10:41:41 PM
I haven't canvassed his opinion yet but no doubt he's embarrassed by the actions of many Tyrone folk.
My opinion is that it's never nice to see deplorable behaviour in the Gaa, but unfortunately it seems all to common in Tyrone.
::) Course thats right, was his name Enda Muldoon by any chance?
Could you give even the slightest bit of detail as to what you dont like Tyrone did in this case. If not I will continue to assume you are assuming Tyrone did something wrong based on the fact that its...Tyrone
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
I know I keeping going on about Declan Bonner, but he is staggering me by how much of an idiot he has made if himself over this. He has now commented that he is upset by the media reporting on this issue! Does the man not realise that he is virtually solely responsible for how this all turned out and the level of media coverage it received.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/donegal-minor-manager-declan-bonner-upset-by-media-coverage-1.2418992
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Spun a story? They reported that the Ulster Council investigation concluded that the sledging about a player's father's death didn't happen and this report has proven to be 100% accurate.
Really disappointing but not at all surprising to see so many Tyrone folk aren't prepared to admit there is a problem with players' frankly shameful behaviour in the county. I have no problem criticising such incidents within my own county.
I can only hope we see an end to the appalling incidents which are clearly condoned if not actively encouraged within Tyrone.
Quote from: The Stallion on November 07, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
Really disappointing but not at all surprising to see so many Tyrone folk aren't prepared to admit there is a problem with players' frankly shameful behaviour in the county. I have no problem criticising such incidents within my own county.
I can only hope we see an end to the appalling incidents which are clearly condoned if not actively encouraged within Tyrone.
Stop sledging Tyrone. .
Quote from: The Stallion on November 07, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
Really disappointing but not at all surprising to see so many Tyrone folk aren't prepared to admit there is a problem with players' frankly shameful behaviour in the county. I have no problem criticising such incidents within my own county.
I can only hope we see an end to the appalling incidents which are clearly condoned if not actively encouraged within Tyrone.
your comment like your county are totally irrelevant! you have a genuine thug in as manager now who suits your counties image perfectlt
I accept criticism of Barton. I don't think he is a good manager at all and I disagree with his views on many football matters.
See how it's possible to think for yourself rather than blindly defend the indefensible Tyrone folk?
Quote from: The Stallion on November 07, 2015, 03:02:24 PM
I accept criticism of Barton. I don't think he is a good manager at all and I disagree with his views on many football matters.
See how it's possible to think for yourself rather than blindly defend the indefensible Tyrone folk?
I'll ask again, what are Tyrone people blindly defending here?
It's going to be great crack here in the build up to the championship. ;D
No-one from Tyrone prepared to speak out against the proliferation of shameful incidents within Tyrone football? Oh well. Maybe some day.
Quote from: The Stallion on November 07, 2015, 04:33:24 PM
No-one from Tyrone prepared to speak out against the proliferation of shameful incidents within Tyrone football? Oh well. Maybe some day.
And in your view, what are we defending in this particular incident?
well done to tyrone masters on todays victory is it a first
I can't think of a better place to be right now than where I'm standing.
Quote from: rrhf on November 07, 2015, 09:26:16 PM
I can't think of a better place to be right now than where I'm standing.
The Fort?
Stallion
If you could get into specifics in any shape or form as to what aggrieved you on this incident it would be great, maybe then there would be something worth discussing.
If not, then by all means continue to tell us how much you hate Tyrone and Tyrone people because that is what appears to be basis and substance of your posts.
But I think we should all come on and be honest, so me first.... I hate Derry, I think your a bunch of inbred neanderthals who pride yourselves on brute force and ignorance on a football pitch. Tho that's relatively mild in comparison as to what some of the lough shore men would say.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
Teamtalk reported that the serious allegations of sledging regarding the lads father were not true, this is confirmed in the report from the Ulster council. You make the claim that Tyrone are not considering the fact that minors are involved without recognising that, in fact, the ineptitude of the Donegal manager to deal with the situation is the sole reason why this whole sorry case was played out in public.
Your bizarre hatred for Derry is noted Omaghjoe. It seems you have some serious issues which I'm afraid I can't help you with on that one.
I don't hate Tyrone people or Tyrone football. I'd just like to see shameful disciplinary incidents acknowledged, highlighted and eradicated from the Gaa. If someone from my own club was responsible I'd still feel the same about it.
I hope one day you see the error of your ways.
All the best.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
Teamtalk reported that the serious allegations of sledging regarding the lads father were not true, this is confirmed in the report from the Ulster council. You make the claim that Tyrone are not considering the fact that minors are involved without recognising that, in fact, the ineptitude of the Donegal manager to deal with the situation is the sole reason why this whole sorry case was played out in public.
Oh good you can clear this whole thing up then. Can you post the report on here so we can see for ourselves...
Oh wait!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 08, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
Teamtalk reported that the serious allegations of sledging regarding the lads father were not true, this is confirmed in the report from the Ulster council. You make the claim that Tyrone are not considering the fact that minors are involved without recognising that, in fact, the ineptitude of the Donegal manager to deal with the situation is the sole reason why this whole sorry case was played out in public.
Oh good you can clear this whole thing up then. Can you post the report on here so we can see for ourselves...
Oh wait!!
Was this not confirmed by all media, Irish News etc this week.
Quote from: screenexile on November 08, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
Teamtalk reported that the serious allegations of sledging regarding the lads father were not true, this is confirmed in the report from the Ulster council. You make the claim that Tyrone are not considering the fact that minors are involved without recognising that, in fact, the ineptitude of the Donegal manager to deal with the situation is the sole reason why this whole sorry case was played out in public.
Oh good you can clear this whole thing up then. Can you post the report on here so we can see for ourselves...
Oh wait!!
Do you not read the Irish News?
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: ck on November 07, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 07, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: ck on November 06, 2015, 09:22:17 PM
This Teamtalk crowd are an embarrassment to the GAA and the good gaels of Tyrone!
You are embarrassment to the GAA and good gaels, care to clarify this comment at all now?
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
What you on about?
This teamtalk crowd have spun a story to suit a very very biased Tyrone agenda. I would expect this from an idiot on a high stool full of pints but not from a GAA publication. Perhaps on this occasion they are one in the same. I also find Bonners comments irresponsible.
Sorry, just to clarify! Which part of the story did they report so inaccurately to warrant being called an embarrassment to the GAA?
They quote some random Ulster council friend as having said "it didn't happen" yet the actual leaked statement acknowledges that it did. Utter spin and lies which only appeals to idiots who want cheap shots.
I find the whole thing as being very unsavoury and with kids involved adults should have more cop on and stop trying to win. There's no winners in this!
Teamtalkmag and those Tyrone or Donegal people who can't see past the end of their noses and not consider the kids/minors at the centre of this should hang their heads in shame. I find both statements by teamtalk as pathetic, irresponsible and seriously lacking intelligence.
They said that the player was not sledged over the death of his father, the Ulster Council report whose findings was accepted by both county boards has backed up those assertions. Whether there was something lost in translation over their report or not, it has been clarified now.
Now, back to you, from the wording of a comment you made, it is pretty easy to infer that you are saying the allegation did happen.
5. The Ulster council "we'll keep the statement private" approach says plenty without saying anything (IMO!) It says the incident happened but we have no independent proof so want to put it to bed. (Without proof players can't be suspended)
Are you going to stick with that now despite it being reported that the player was not sledged over the death of his father by an independent news source? To me, it seemed like you were almost hoping that this incident did happen so you could peddle a narrative that sits well with you. Not once have you attempted to retract those comments or admit this were misjudged, ironic that your soapbox positions has flipped itself over on you and you're now unwilling to align yourself with your standards.
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
County board exonerates their own players ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
County board exonerates their own players ;D
I think your confused - it was the Ulster Council who held the investigation and they exonerated the Tyrone players.
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
County board exonerates their own players ;D
I think your confused - it was the Ulster Council who held the investigation and they exonerated the Tyrone players.
Oh good so you can show us where the Ulster Council exonerated said players then and we can close the thread!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
County board exonerates their own players ;D
I think your confused - it was the Ulster Council who held the investigation and they exonerated the Tyrone players.
Oh good so you can show us where the Ulster Council exonerated said players then and we can close the thread!!
The statement from the Tyrone county Board stated that
"
Specific allegations were made against two of our Minor players following the Minor Championship game against Donegal in Ballybofey on 17th May this year.The allegations have been fully investigated by the Ulster Council. We welcome the fact that
these players have been exonerated."
Those specific allegations were to do with the Donegal minor lad.
If that's the case then it has to be welcomed.
The statement is extremely short.
The use of the word "specific" and "these" is very interesting.
report should now be published.
Would end all the hearsay.
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 27, 2015, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 27, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
I agree that a lot of county's are at it at senior level including my own which I have seen on several occasions.
The minor thing I find hard to accept.
That should not be tolerated at that level IMO
https://www.newstalk.com/Tyrone-minor-players-at-centre-of-sledging-allegations-exonerated-according-to-County-Board
Hope this clears it up for you FermGael - is it easier to accept now you know it didn't happen.
County board exonerates their own players ;D
I think your confused - it was the Ulster Council who held the investigation and they exonerated the Tyrone players.
Oh good so you can show us where the Ulster Council exonerated said players then and we can close the thread!!
Sorry I can't show you the report but I can only make my decision based on what Tyrone County Board have just said and they have seen the report.
What is your opinion and what are you basing it on?
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
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Surely a Tyrone referee and linesmen!
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
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Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
Thanks for that. I'd say the 2 umpires were a bit closer and saw a bit more than you did.
McCarron pulls big Emmet down on top of him, Emmet gets up, hands to the side, while McCarron's hands are round his throat. McGuckin even looks in the direction of the umpires as if to say, are you seeing this carryon .These are the facts. My cat is of more use than umpires.
I'll leave it at that. Your drive for 5 is on, a serious whale to land
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Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
Thanks for that. I'd say the 2 umpires were a bit closer and saw a bit more than you did.
McCarron pulls big Emmet down on top of him, Emmet gets up, hands to the side, while McCarron's hands are round his throat. McGuckin even looks in the direction of the umpires as if to say, are you seeing this carryon .These are the facts. My cat is of more use than umpires.
I'll leave it at that. Your drive for 5 is on, a serious whale to land
It was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Both were at it. T'is early for the inbreds to be getting tetchy. Usually doesn't happen until march at least.
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Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
Thanks for that. I'd say the 2 umpires were a bit closer and saw a bit more than you did.
McCarron pulls big Emmet down on top of him, Emmet gets up, hands to the side, while McCarron's hands are round his throat. McGuckin even looks in the direction of the umpires as if to say, are you seeing this carryon .These are the facts. My cat is of more use than umpires.
I'll leave it at that. Your drive for 5 is on, a serious whale to land
It was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Both were at it. T'is early for the inbreds to be getting tetchy. Usually doesn't happen until march at least.
Completely untrue. I should really just move on, but when boys post poop, it has to be pointed out.
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2016, 01:07:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
Thanks for that. I'd say the 2 umpires were a bit closer and saw a bit more than you did.
McCarron pulls big Emmet down on top of him, Emmet gets up, hands to the side, while McCarron's hands are round his throat. McGuckin even looks in the direction of the umpires as if to say, are you seeing this carryon .These are the facts. My cat is of more use than umpires.
I'll leave it at that. Your drive for 5 is on, a serious whale to land
It was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Both were at it. T'is early for the inbreds to be getting tetchy. Usually doesn't happen until march at least.
Completely untrue. I should really just move on, but when boys post poop, it has to be pointed out.
Yes, your opinion is Golden.
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
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Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Putting a new man onto an already yellow carded player to get him sent off. A harbinger for 2016. And in the McKenna cup too lol
Do Tyrone players now have authority to issue cards? You would imagine that a fella playing inter-county football would have the craft and discipline to behave himself and stay on the pitch - only himself to blame.
big Emmet didn't actually do anything apart from being pulled to the ground. Happened out of the blue, completely orchestrated. I was sitting straight across from it on the 13. The type of trampish behaviour you'd expect though from a Harte team. Brannigan bought it hook line and sinker.
Thanks for that. I'd say the 2 umpires were a bit closer and saw a bit more than you did.
McCarron pulls big Emmet down on top of him, Emmet gets up, hands to the side, while McCarron's hands are round his throat. McGuckin even looks in the direction of the umpires as if to say, are you seeing this carryon .These are the facts. My cat is of more use than umpires.
I'll leave it at that. Your drive for 5 is on, a serious whale to land
It was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Both were at it. T'is early for the inbreds to be getting tetchy. Usually doesn't happen until march at least.
Completely untrue. I should really just move on, but when boys post poop, it has to be pointed out.
Yes, your opinion is Golden.
its not an opinion
Yes it is.
I haven't read the article but does McGuckin refer to his own antics which led to him and Hampsey originally getting yellow carded? Maybe McCarron just wasn't prepared to accept that same shite from him and rather than being premeditated was more a reaction to what was happening there and then on the pitch?
More fool Emmet, maybe he will learn something from all this himself. If he hadn't got the original yellow he wouldn't have found himself in that position. Running to the press is embarrassing though!
Yesterday we were reading there was nothing negative about this game, it's lazy journalism of a story.
McGuckin wasn't slow in throwing his weight about with Hampsey in the 1st half.Then goes crying to the press about McCarron.Obviously he's frustrated about getting sent off but I don't think he's doing himself any favours by talking to the media about it.
some whinging from the doire men
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
It's not hard to have the moral high ground over mccarron.
Quote from: lenny on January 13, 2016, 06:58:37 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
It's not hard to have the moral high ground over mccarron.
He's attempting to take the moral high ground over himself, not McCarron.
His actions (talking to the press about "something" that happened) are contradictory to what he said (I'll never say what another player did)
Someone should have took McGuckin aside before he made a fool of himself, and is continuing to do so.
I believe Tyrone and Harte were heavily involved in the plot to frame poor Steven Avery!
Mc Guckin looks out of shape and got frustrated in the first half when he was getting bullied by Hampsey. It was obvious the type of game he was playing and harte took hampsey off for that reason. It was clear as muck both were on for a second yellow but barton's naivety showed.
Love hearing Derry one whining after getting beat, music to my ears!
If McGuckin didn't get involved in incident in the first half which seen him and 3 other players booked then it wouldn't have been an issue.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
And you wonder what it was he was supposed to have done which doesn't belong on a football field!!!
Quote from: Gaffer on January 13, 2016, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
And you wonder what it was he was supposed to have done which doesn't belong on a football field!!!
Great to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
Quote from: lenny on January 13, 2016, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 13, 2016, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
And you wonder what it was he was supposed to have done which doesn't belong on a football field!!!
Great to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
Not even sticking up for McCarron since there is nothing to defend him against, just "something".
More just giving yer man a touch for his aimless finger pointing and hypocrisy.
But please keep talking about McCarron.
Quote from: lenny on January 13, 2016, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 13, 2016, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2016, 06:13:49 AM
"I will never say what another player did, but what he did doesn't belong on a football field."
Have to laugh at this attempt to take the moral high ground when he's whinging to the press
And you wonder what it was he was supposed to have done which doesn't belong on a football field!!!
Great to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
Do you know what he was supposed to have done against Emmet that doesn't belong on a football field?
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
Well seeing how your country can't get anywhere with all your in fighting its easy to see why you don't understand us supporting our player. That's will probably be derrys biggest turn out this year!
I don't see many Derry ones coming out to support poor poor Emmet after his traumatic experience!
They may tighten up because there is a lot more to come
Emmet McGuckin is a big strong fella and would have been better off biding his time and waiting for his opportunity to get McCarron back on the pitch.
I can't get over how serious people are taking the McKenna cup.
Quote from: redhandefender on January 14, 2016, 08:20:39 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
Well seeing how your country can't get anywhere with all your in fighting its easy to see why you don't understand us supporting our player. That's will probably be derrys biggest turn out this year!
I don't see many Derry ones coming out to support poor poor Emmet after his traumatic experience!
They may tighten up because there is a lot more to come
My point is, I supported McCarron and I'm glad he got the chance, many Tyrone people, some of his clubmen inc weren't so keen !
Emmet will learn, Barton will get cuter on the line as you have to when the opposing manager has a bag of gamesmanship tricks Sport Billy would be proud of, and it was well used to win a McKenna Cup match
Quote from: lickthem on January 14, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
Emmet McGuckin is a big strong fella and would have been better off biding his time and waiting for his opportunity to get McCarron back on the pitch.
I can't get over how serious people are taking the McKenna cup.
That's what most Derry supporters will say during the McKenna cup, that can be followed by it's only the league(if Derry have a poor one) then when Derry are out of the championship it's well it's time to get the real football started(yes I know the club championship is important)
It's like nobody cared all year long.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
McCarron is just lucky that he doesn't have to come up against the modern day tyrone team under st micky because that is one team who would merciless in sledging him.
Debates on Tyrone cynical antics below.
https://vimeo.com/48904663
It's all their fault. I for one don't know where Micky Harte was when JFK was assassinated... co-incidence?!
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 14, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
Debates on Tyrone cynical antics below.
https://vimeo.com/48904663
It's all their fault. I for one don't know where Micky Harte was when JFK was assassinated... co-incidence?!
Yeah its clear as day you can see Mickeys wee peak cap poking over the grassy nole!
Quote from: lenny on January 14, 2016, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
McCarron is just lucky that he doesn't have to come up against the modern day tyrone team under st micky because that is one team who would merciless in sledging him.
True, because every team he played last year were nothing but respectful and sensitive to his situation. ::) Lenny, what planet are you living on??
Quote from: JoG2 on January 14, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 14, 2016, 08:20:39 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2016, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 13, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
QuoteGreat to see you boys all sticking up for mccarron. Youse must be so proud to call him one of your own.
So what do Derry GAA do when one of their players gets into personal difficulties? Not that you'd know much about the Derry GAA family I expect.
Christ yer some bellend
I'm glad Mccarron was welcomed back into football, god knows he needed it. A few of his own were against his return, don't forget so don't go all high and mighty on us Antrim man. Yer love in with Tyrone is cute though
Well seeing how your country can't get anywhere with all your in fighting its easy to see why you don't understand us supporting our player. That's will probably be derrys biggest turn out this year!
I don't see many Derry ones coming out to support poor poor Emmet after his traumatic experience!
They may tighten up because there is a lot more to come
My point is, I supported McCarron and I'm glad he got the chance, many Tyrone people, some of his clubmen inc weren't so keen !
Emmet will learn, Barton will get cuter on the line as you have to when the opposing manager has a bag of gamesmanship tricks Sport Billy would be proud of, and it was well used to win a McKenna Cup match
It does not take a lot of cuteness to know that if you have a player at risk of getting sent off you take him off.
Mickey has been doing it for years. Hampsey was new and inexperienced so when he got booked Mickey moved him out of harms way.
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on January 14, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
Debates on Tyrone cynical antics below.
https://vimeo.com/48904663
It's all their fault. I for one don't know where Micky Harte was when JFK was assassinated... co-incidence?!
He was on the grassy knoll
The McKenna Cup wooden spoon?
Personally I'd prefer Emmett to either say exactly what happened or say nothing at all. I don't think anybody benefits from speculation.
However it does seem comical the Tyrone supporters giving out about teams/players complaining. If ever there was a pot kettle situation. Complaining is only ok if you're from Tyrone because, as everybody knows, the entire island of Ireland is in a massive conspiracy to stop them from succeeding ::)
StGallsGAA thanks for the laugh though, preaching about 'GAA family' ;D hilarious
QuoteMcCarron is just lucky that he doesn't have to come up against the modern day tyrone team under st micky because that is one team who would merciless in sledging
Or maybe Lenny is sore from St Mickey and the boys handing Derry's ass to them on plate for more than a decade??? 🙈🙉🙊
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 14, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
QuoteMcCarron is just lucky that he doesn't have to come up against the modern day tyrone team under st micky because that is one team who would merciless in sledging
Or maybe Lenny is sore from St Mickey and the boys handing Derry's ass to them on plate for more than a decade??? 🙈🙉🙊
That's probably it. Thank god we were all around for the invention of football in 2003 ::)
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on January 14, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 14, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
QuoteMcCarron is just lucky that he doesn't have to come up against the modern day tyrone team under st micky because that is one team who would merciless in sledging
Or maybe Lenny is sore from St Mickey and the boys handing Derry's ass to them on plate for more than a decade??? 🙈🙉🙊
That's probably it. Thank god we were all around for the invention of football in 2003 ::)
And thank God we were all about for the end of Derry football circa 1994!
This thread should be integrated into the pure shite thread.
How do you know the jet that has just landed has come from Derry City Airport?
The engines have been turned off but you can still hear the whining
Shown anything remotely resembling sportsmanship or fair play in the last 13 years.
Win 3 in a row
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzueyAM3Fo
Lost three All Irelands finals in a row. :P
Lose an all Ireland final to the green and gold
signed up any Derry rejects
Quote from: seafoid on January 18, 2016, 09:16:00 PM
Lose an all Ireland final to the green and gold
1986 duh! ::)
Let Longford beat them in the Championship?
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
Quote from: redhandefender on January 19, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
6 NFL titles to 2?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 19, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
6 NFL titles to 2?
Lol, I suppose there is no London in Tyrone either so I will give yous that one to
Quote from: redhandefender on January 19, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
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Quote from: redhandefender on January 19, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
6 NFL titles to 2?
Lol, I suppose there is no London in Tyrone either so I will give yous that one to
I know the inbreds only use it to wind us up, and it works, but it always amuses me that the same boyos shouting 'Theres no London in Tyrone' are the same boyos sure to be shouting 'Up the RA' ::)
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
;D Which barrel did you scrape to get that one?
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on January 19, 2016, 08:15:36 PM
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 19, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
6 NFL titles to 2?
Lol, I suppose there is no London in Tyrone either so I will give yous that one to
I know the inbreds only use it to wind us up, and it works, but it always amuses me that the same boyos shouting 'Theres no London in Tyrone' are the same boyos sure to be shouting 'Up the RA' ::)
works every time though, hook line and sinker!!
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
And that one they dived and cheated their way to. They couldn't win one in the nineties when men were men!
Quote from: TheOptimist on January 20, 2016, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
And that one they dived and cheated their way to. They couldn't win one in the nineties when men were men!
Yeah joe brolly was all man, skipping about blowing kisses and throwing himself all over the place!
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 11:10:56 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
And that one they dived and cheated their way to. They couldn't win one in the nineties when men were men!
Yeah joe brolly was all man, skipping about blowing kisses and throwing himself all over the place!
In your own words; "works every time though, hook line and sinker!!" ;)
Well this thread has descended into a bit of a farce. Reminds me of a scene I witnessed outside the Greenvale in the mid-nineties. Two inebriated groups of Derry and Tyrone men shouting random abuse at each other. The best the Derry men could come up with, in their drunken state, was shouting 'County Canavan' at the Tyrone men and the best retort from the Tyrone men was shouting 'County Freekick' at the Derrymen.
It was a farce to begin with.
Quote from: TheOptimist on January 20, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
And that one they dived and cheated their way to. They couldn't win one in the nineties when men were men!
Yeah joe brolly was all man, skipping about blowing kisses and throwing himself all over the place!
In your own words; "works every time though, hook line and sinker!!" ;)
lol Touche, gets me every time! Looking forward to Saturday night, she will be at boiling point come white heat of the championship! May the best team win
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 11:35:46 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
And that one they dived and cheated their way to. They couldn't win one in the nineties when men were men!
Yeah joe brolly was all man, skipping about blowing kisses and throwing himself all over the place!
In your own words; "works every time though, hook line and sinker!!" ;)
lol Touche, gets me every time! Looking forward to Saturday night, she will be at boiling point come white heat of the championship! May the best team win
We all know it will be a damp squib come May
Quote from: redhandefender on January 20, 2016, 10:46:46 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2016, 10:59:47 AM
Won more than 1 All Ireland without the aid of the backdoor
At least there is one were Derry are on the same par, well done!
6 NFL titles to 2?
Lol, I suppose there is no London in Tyrone either so I will give yous that one to
I know the inbreds only use it to wind us up, and it works, but it always amuses me that the same boyos shouting 'Theres no London in Tyrone' are the same boyos sure to be shouting 'Up the RA' ::)
works every time though, hook line and sinker!!
It works because it is so hilarious. Good one Gregory. Curry my yoghurt.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/03/video-feargal-logan-u21-championship-v-donegal/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/03/video-feargal-logan-u21-championship-v-donegal/)
Big Ferg's emotional - Can't believe the audacity of Tyrone to go out and get two Donegal Under-21's sent off - CUe Martin Carney on the last word making unfounded allegations about young lads!!!!
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
How is denying something that didn't happen handling it poorly?
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
I believe it was established that the lad's father was not mentioned.
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
You heard what was said? Can you enlighten us?
Quote from: WT4E on March 31, 2016, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
How is denying something that didn't happen handling it poorly?
Ah ffs, course it was a poor decision. Does it benefit any of the lads involved to have this raked over again, does it buck
I believe the final conclusion was that it was inconclusive ie: No evidence for or against. This does not mean it did not happen. We were just getting to a point where we were beginning to let sleeping dogs lie and then Logan in his wisdom, brings it up again. Very poor leadership.
Ck, there is a wonderful thing called Google that helps clarify things.
The report found that "on balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence, it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments towards the Donegal player during the game."
The investigation report went on however: "Both County Committees and the Investigation Committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father."
Hope that helps clear up your bullshit 'interpretation,'
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
I believe the final conclusion was that it was inconclusive ie: No evidence for or against. This does not mean it did not happen. We were just getting to a point where we were beginning to let sleeping dogs lie and then Logan in his wisdom, brings it up again. Very poor leadership.
Well quite simply, you are wrong!
Fergal was probably caught up in emotion and had used the abuse tyrone got last year to fire up the team.
Bonner was the cause of all this, good to see him beat
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
I believe the final conclusion was that it was inconclusive ie: No evidence for or against. This does not mean it did not happen. We were just getting to a point where we were beginning to let sleeping dogs lie and then Logan in his wisdom, brings it up again. Very poor leadership.
I don't think it can be put to bed until both Bonner and Martin Carney issue an apology.
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players last year. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Only a matter of time before you brought up your defeat last year. Good times! 😃
I don't honestly believe I've seen a worse loser than him. Gives some Ros fans a bad name!
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 31, 2016, 01:10:58 PM
Ck, there is a wonderful thing called Google that helps clarify things.
The report found that "on balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence, it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments towards the Donegal player during the game."
The investigation report went on however: "Both County Committees and the Investigation Committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father."
Hope that helps clear up your bullshit 'interpretation,'
Nope.... it just means he's finished on this thread for a few pages until he forgets the facts and favours his own interpretation again. But its no big deal onto some other thread to ignore facts on for a while ::)
It must be a cold day in hell.
Tyronies are actually using verifiable facts in a debate.
;D
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2016, 11:35:26 PM
It must be a cold day in hell.
Tyronies are actually using verifiable facts in a debate.
;D
One little Tyrone fix before bed, Main Street? It's quite endearing really!
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Bonner wasn't mentioned in the interview.
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Should have spent the money on a decent pitch any wonder Ballaghaderreen boys don't play for them.
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
Quote from: Whishtup on April 01, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
PTG forgetting to put his foot under the ball before picking it up in 1995 is going to take a bit of beating...
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2016, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on April 01, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
PTG forgetting to put his foot under the ball before picking it up in 1995 is going to take a bit of beating...
He never picked it up, he flicked it on to Sean McLoughlin
That's what the BBC cameras showed blewuporstuffed
In RTE Canavan clearly picked it up straight off the ground and then threw it to McLaughlin who bounced it twice and then kicked it over the bar.
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Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2016, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on April 01, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
PTG forgetting to put his foot under the ball before picking it up in 1995 is going to take a bit of beating...
He never picked it up, he flicked it on to Sean McLoughlin
Another accurate Tyrone "fact" by Hound there
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 01, 2016, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2016, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on April 01, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
PTG forgetting to put his foot under the ball before picking it up in 1995 is going to take a bit of beating...
He never picked it up, he flicked it on to Sean McLoughlin
Tyrone deserved a replay and Central Council should have offered an olive branch.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 01, 2016, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 01, 2016, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2016, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on April 01, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: WT4E on April 01, 2016, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 31, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I sometimes wonder why perspective seems to be lacking so severely in Tyrone. This is the same Logan that sent out a team last year that hit knees and elbows to the faces of opposition players. Reckless in the extreme would be putting it lightly. Of all the people who could ever call out another manager he is just about the last one who is in a position to.
There seems to be a sense that whoever is willing to speak up against sledging or dangerous play should be vilified rather than listened to or the inherent problems addressed in any meaningful way. That interview read like an echo chamber with the interviewer agreeing with Logan's personal attack on Bonner. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Roscommon a nice little county that everyone likes driving around on their novelty bus winning nothing - thats why everyone likes them! lol
Is there a Guinness book of records record for longest running sore loser?
PTG forgetting to put his foot under the ball before picking it up in 1995 is going to take a bit of beating...
He never picked it up, he flicked it on to Sean McLoughlin
Tyrone deserved a replay and Central Council should have offered an olive branch.
Nope!!! Every County has their hard luck stories be it Louth against Meath in the Leinster Final, Derry v Cavan in the Ulster Final. The rules are the referee's word is final and that's it.
Also since when has what you deserved meant anything in sport?!!
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
You're one of the most disgusting bigots I've encountered in the GAA.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: ck on March 31, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Can any sensible Tyrone person (and no barrage of abuse please) tell me why Fergal Logan has decided to drag all this up again. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in GAA and whilst both sides handled the aftermath very poorly with Donegal going to the media and Tyrone denying everything... One year on Logan brings it up again?! Why?
You're one of the most disgusting bigots I've encountered in the GAA.
You're in the wrong place if you're looking for that here!!
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
Perhaps because there's people like you who heard the first story last year from Bonner and decided that without any further inquires that the Tyrone boy was definitely at fault. Sure if it hadn't been raised this time you would still be believing that. So does that not show some good in raising it?
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
You were genuinely spreading lies. Care to retract your earlier comments???
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
Bonner's a loose cannon, and his anti-Tyrone obsession is a serious liability for Donegal with his malicious and groundless fabrications. If you were the subject of those you might have a different perspective, and perhaps be inclined to dismount your high horse.
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Thanks for attempting to reply sensibly. It's appreciated.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs, Bonner was an absolute idiot for what he did last year. In fact I don't think the man is fit to be managing a team at any level given his lack of responsibility and Donegal should seriously consider his suitability. Logan was no better this week in my book. I can understand people getting caught up with emotion and letting it overflow after a game but 2 wrongs don't make a right. For some reason I expected higher standards from Logan given his profession, hence my genuine question but felt dissapointed by him.
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 02:21:32 PM
Thanks for attempting to reply sensibly. It's appreciated.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs, Bonner was an absolute idiot for what he did last year. In fact I don't think the man is fit to be managing a team at any level given his lack of responsibility and Donegal should seriously consider his suitability. Logan was no better this week in my book. I can understand people getting caught up with emotion and letting it overflow after a game but 2 wrongs don't make a right. For some reason I expected higher standards from Logan given his profession, hence my genuine question but felt dissapointed by him.
Care to retract your comments?
His profession, no doubt, Influenced how strongly he felt about it considering the serious nature of the accusation. How you fail to understand his motivation in bringing it up after a clearly emotive win suggests to me you're on the wind up more so than being genuine.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the Donegal lad so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about the details of the sledging given it was something so serious, i.e. his dead father, but no Tyrone person would dare accept that. The lack of compassion for a lad who lost his father from Tyrone is angering to be honest. All they looked to do was hide behind an investigation.
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
Here are Kevin Cassidy's comments at time of the incident. Note where he states that Carroll never made any allegations about what happened.
Cassidy is a Gaoth Dobhair clubmate of the Donegal player in question, as well as having been good friends with the players' deceased father, and insists that he "wanted to find out the facts" before commenting on the matter, which he does in his exclusive column in today's Gaelic Life.
"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.
"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident."
The former Donegal star was also hugely critical of the handling of the incident by the Donegal camp, expressing his disappointment that it had got into the public domain in the first instance.
"The whole thing was wrongly handled from the off. If something is said on the field play and a player is unhappy with what has been said then it should go through the proper channels to ensure that it is dealt with appropriately instead of being dragged through the media."
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the Donegal lad so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about the details of the sledging given it was something so serious, i.e. his dead father, but no Tyrone person would dare accept that. The lack of compassion for a lad who lost his father from Tyrone is angering to be honest. All they looked to do was hide behind an investigation.
You really are a nasty piece of work. It was accepted that the sledging was not regarding a lad who lost his father. Your inability to accept that is disgusting and your continued attempt to try and tar a young lad for something that he didn't do is downright disgraceful. And the fact that the motivation to do so is nothing more than sour grapes just makes it worse.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2016, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the Donegal lad so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about the details of the sledging given it was something so serious, i.e. his dead father, but no Tyrone person would dare accept that. The lack of compassion for a lad who lost his father from Tyrone is angering to be honest. All they looked to do was hide behind an investigation.
You really are a nasty piece of work. It was accepted that the sledging was not regarding a lad who lost his father. Your inability to accept that is disgusting and your continued attempt to try and tar a young lad for something that he didn't do is downright disgraceful.
+1
He's a real lowlife piece of shit.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2016, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the Donegal lad so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about the details of the sledging given it was something so serious, i.e. his dead father, but no Tyrone person would dare accept that. The lack of compassion for a lad who lost his father from Tyrone is angering to be honest. All they looked to do was hide behind an investigation.
You really are a nasty piece of work. It was accepted that the sledging was not regarding a lad who lost his father. Your inability to accept that is disgusting and your continued attempt to try and tar a young lad for something that he didn't do is downright disgraceful.
+1
He's a real lowlife piece of shit.
+1
Syferus is shit on the shoe of the GAA. Giving the good people of Roscommon a bad name!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
That is an assumption a Donegal paper is making regards the thoughts of the player. Cassidy's comments are much more definitive and he would seem to be a family friend of the Carrolls. He claimed that Carroll did not speak to anyone about the incident so the allegations have obviously came from elsewhere.
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
Why would they apologise for something it was established they did not do?
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
The danger of a media driven society is that people accept everything they hear and do their best to manipulate the information to fit their own agenda. Tyrone people are as guilty of this as every other county but people will always vehemently defend their own. I fully accept your own issues regarding the U21 semi last year, thats your view, I disagree but I understand you will back your own corner - fair enough. What I struggle with is people who equally vehemently accuse others of wrong doing even when they don't have a vested interest in the case, nor are they in possession of all the facts. In that case you have to question the agenda they are pursuing and whether they are making their case with a fair mind. There are a few on here with a less than fair mind. Unless you explicitly know exactly what was said and can prove it, then you must stop accusing that lad of the actions of which you are accusing him. Words like "deny, deny deny", "cover up" and "get caught" used in this context are deliberately pointing a finger at a lad who has been cleared of any wrong doing. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, then I suggest you wind your neck in.
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
Yet again you try and twist things in a disgraceful manner. The mods should be taking at look at your disgusting posting instead of giving you a free pass to throw unfounded allegations at a minor. You really are scum.
Tyrone never kept their gaeltacht agus is mór an trua.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2016, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
Yet again you try and twist things in a disgraceful manner. The mods should be taking at look at your disgusting posting instead of giving you a free pass to throw unfounded allegations at a minor. You really are scum.
I would agree with you. It would have been best for all concerned to let sleeping dogs lie. That was the case till Fergal Logan threw it right into the public agenda again!
Never did back to back All Irelands
sign of a great football county
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 02, 2016, 09:46:26 AM
Never did back to back All Irelands
sign of a great football county
Never went on a 70 year + All Ireland drought after capturing their last All Ireland.
Sign of a football county that is not a laughing stock.
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2016, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 01, 2016, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 01, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 01, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: ck on April 01, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I genuinely was asking an honest question. What good could come from Logan bringing that up again?
Predictably the Tyrone response on here is abuse, whataboutery and name calling.
An honest question. If someone accused your team mates of the terrible things Bonner said he did. And, lets for arguments sake, (and for factual sake too) those accusations were false. Would you not like to defend them? Or do you castigate them anyway? The only basis for your question is either bias or stupidity! I hope it's bias!
Even the "proof" posted above says the players probably sledged the player so I fail to say why any Tyrone player or management would be angry. They weren't wrongly accused even in the narrow terms that Tyrone people here want to apply. Of course it's pretty obvious the Donegal player wouldn't lie about something so serious but no Tyrone person would dare accept that.
There is not a shred of evidence to say the Donegal player alleged anything, the allegations came directly from Declan Bonner. The problem is that the allegation put forward was that he was goaded about the death of his father, which is a serious allegation and an utterly disgusting act. The investigation conclusively states that this never happened, a finding that is accepted by both parties and something that Donegal do not contest.
Tyrone don't have an issue with the allegations of sledging, they have an issue with the serious nature of what was allegedly said - which was confirmed to be false - a finding which BOTH parties agree upon.
There is some evidence that the Donegal player made an allegation, according to the understanding of the
Donegal Daily (http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/11/04/gaa-report-into-alleged-verbal-abuse-of-donegal-minor-star-to-remain-secret/)
We understand however that the alleged victim – who was allegedly taunted about his late father – stood by the allegations but decided he did not want any further action.
I understand that to mean that he privately stood by his allegation. But when the player decided he did not want to take it further, then he has no right to make any further comment and nobody should take the case on his behalf.
And the newspaper should not print the assumed private thoughts of the player.
There he is with his daily Tyrone fix. Scouring the Internet for a bit of scandal. There are a lot of reasons why this wasn't pursued but you can continue to facelessly point the finger at a 17 year old lad who has no real right to reply. You do realise that this isn't county Tyrone GAA that you are throwing mud at, it's a young lad who has had enough abuse over it already. An exceptionally brave fellow you are Main Street.
I haven't pointed any finger you moron.
A young man has lost his father and wants to be left in peace.
Of course you are pointing the finger. At least have the guts to say that's what you are doing! You have no county allegiance here yet you have spent time to google the Donegal Daily, quote the paper with regards to this incident to make a point that the incident happened I.e. Point the finger - I don't think that is leaving the lad in peace either, do you? Your use of this incident to maintain your mud throwing at Tyrone is nauseating in the extreme.
County allegiance is exactly why there wasn't a swift apology by the players involved and the county board and then it could have been left at that. Not this ham-fisted attempt to cover up and deny deny deny. Tyrone don't half hurt themselves when they do get caught. The lack of contrition by officials and supporters alike is the red flag that tells you the message that this stuff needs to stop is not getting through at all.
Yet again you try and twist things in a disgraceful manner. The mods should be taking at look at your disgusting posting instead of giving you a free pass to throw unfounded allegations at a minor. You really are scum.
I would agree with you. It would have been best for all concerned to let sleeping dogs lie. That was the case till Fergal Logan threw it right into the public agenda again!
If it righted your ignorance on the matter it was worth it.
Ah right, thanks for the education. I've read nothing that backs up your assertions of complete innocence on this matter. My original question simply questioned the wisdom of raising it again by the Tyrone manager. All I've got in return is name calling, abuse and self righteous nonsense
Your welcome. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 06:48:49 PM
Ah right, thanks for the education. I've read nothing that backs up your assertions of complete innocence on this matter. My original question simply questioned the wisdom of raising it again by the Tyrone manager. All I've got in return is name calling, abuse and self righteous nonsense
I agree with you and he'd prob say the same too.
However he had a few mins earlier watched a man that 12 months ago slandered one of his players in the media, come onto the field and box one of his players.
He did well to be as composed as he was.
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/04/24-week-ban-for-bonner/
Would love to see this report - Lucky he was only entered for verbal abuse.
Are we all still taking this mans version of events - can he be relied upon? I don't think so!
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no-one believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters commenting on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also made big claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.
The laughable thing is he would have probably jumped over the wire to get away as a player.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 02:13:04 PM
Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no-one believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters commenting on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also made big claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
The young lad did not make a serious allegation to anyone, some people made serious allegations on his account which were found by an independent finding to be erroneous and this judgement was accepted by both parties. Why are you continually trying to push an angle that is simply untrue? Over and over again you are putting forward information that has no basis at all, I think it's about time you showed a bit of dignity and retracted them.
Kevin Cassidy, a close family friend of the Carrolls and a club mate of the Michael Carroll said this at the time the allegations broke:
"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.
"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident.
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.
It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging. I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.
To me, ck and Syferus are two chips of the same block as Declan Bonner, trying to destroy the reputation of two young lads on baseless facts and their twisted ignorance of the information put forward.
Here is Bonner's initial comments where he broke the allegations.
Quote"Sledging is part and parcel of the game now, but there are certain boundaries that should not be crossed.
"This whole thing has gone to a new level and in our minor game against Tyrone on Sunday, those boundaries were crossed to sickening levels.
"We all know that this goes on and I think everyone accepts that it just has become a big part of the game now, but when the verbals extend to the bereavement of a family member or a loved one, there has to be a line drawn."
Here Bonner accepts sledging is part of the game and makes it clear that this was not the reason for his outrage, his reason for the outrage and going public on it was because the abuse crossed a line, using the death of a family member to try and put someone off. A disgusting thing to do for anyone of a reasonable mind. This is a very serious allegation and Bonner needed to be very careful when making it, given the repercussions for the players involved, he wasn't.
This allegation was made even more dubious when Kevin Cassidy, a close family friend of the Carrolls and a club mate of Carroll has this to say about the matter shortly after.
Quote"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.
"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident.
a) the player did not want his manager bringing the incident into the public domain
b) he held no grudges to anyone over the incident
c) and most importantly, he had not spoken to anyone about the incident
If Carroll did not speak to anyone without the incident, then where did Bonner come from with the allegations? Did he put two and two together and see a young lad upset in the dressing room who had recently lost his father and had saw being on the receiving end of a bit of verbals and decide that's what happened? Did someone else tell him that is what happened? Either way, he didn't seem to have much of a basis for what he said and putting it in the public domain was serving neither his own player or the two Tyrone players any good.
Finally we had the Ulster Council's final report:
QuoteIn balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence, it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments towards the Donegal player during the game.
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.
Tyrone GAA has expressed their best wishes to the Donegal player in question. The Donegal GAA officials welcomed and thanked Tyrone GAA for their comments and have also expressed the same sentiments to all the Tyrone players. This matter is now concluded....
The Committee agreed with both County Committees that the findings will remain confidential. We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee
a) The report found that sledging took place against the Donegal player, something Bonner admits is part and parcel of the game
b)
Both counties and the investigation committee ACCEPT that verbal abuse to the player in relation to the death of his father DID NOT take place. There is no vague or ambiguous wording there, it's accepted that the specific allegations Bonner made, which he believed crossed certain boundaries were false.
Yet we will still have the same bigots on here still trying to muddy the waters and claim something happened which both county boards and the independent committe accept did not take place. Declan Bonner acted disgracefully in his handling of this matter and the two posters in question here (ck and Syferus) have the moral integrity of a sewer.
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.
It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging. I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.
What disgusting sledging were they involved in?
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Quote from: ck on April 08, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 08, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: ck on April 02, 2016, 08:53:26 PM
Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.
It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging. I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.
As you seem to know the sledging they were involved with was disgusting then come out and tell us what was so disgusting about it?
Unless, of course, you're actually a vindictive little shitbag happy to go around slandering young lads in order to score your agenda?
You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"
1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.
I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.
Quote from: ck on April 09, 2016, 08:57:40 AM
You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"
1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.
I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.
I think the shitbag term was in exasperation of the fact that a few posters on here are so blinded by some form of county bigotry that they persist to argue this point. Calling you, (who is a nameless, faceless internet troll), a shitbag, pales into massive insignificance when you consider that you and a few other cronies are continually pointing an accusationary finger, in a public forum, at a 17 year old lad, who isn't nameless or faceless, who has been cleared by an independent enquiry of the accusations that your are making. I'd suggest that unless you provide some new evidence for continuing to point the finger then you should maybe let this lie. It does make me wonder why a person with no real allegiance here continues to pursue this.
Quote from: ck on April 09, 2016, 08:57:40 AM
You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"
1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.
I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.
1. Not vague, they quite clearly state that the specific allegations made about the nature did not take place and both parties accept they did not take place. This is very clear and unanimous in terms of both parties agreeing with this finding. The player who was stated to be at the centre of the allegations, never made any allegations, which bears the question. Why was Bonner going running his mouth off in the first place.
2. Cassidy's comments are extremeley relevant, of the people to speak out about the matter, he is the person who has by far the closest links to Michael Carroll. He was a close friend of Carroll's father and a club mate of him. What he said poured scorn on what was coming out from Bonner and the Donegal camp with regards to this incident. You choosing to ignore them just highlights how you only want to handpick snippets that suit your baseless argument.
3. The only reason we are talking about this again is because of shitbags like you, who continue to make utterly baseless allegations against young lads in order to force you spew your bigoted bile around the place. Would you like it if people made unfounded and very serious allegations against one of your own? It was deeply personal and there is a lot of genuine and completely understandable resentment towards Declan Bonner and the way he has acted and conducted himself previously. He has offered no public apology or remorse for what he put the two young Tyrone lads through.
4. Donegal were the team who had two dismissals and their manager now handed down a 24 week ban.
You are an extremely sad and bitter indivdual. Clearly you have a massive chip on your shoulder when it comes to Northern teams, I noted your smarmy little comments about Fermanagh last year and the clear agenda in your posts. If you have such a dislike for Ulster football then take a hike out of threads and matters which involve them.
Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.
I am selective in what I believe? That's rich. You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.
..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.
Quote from: ck on April 09, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.
I am selective in what I believe? That's rich. You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.
..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.
What is there to back up Declan Bonner's article? Nothing, that is what. The independent finding refutes it, even his own county board accept that his allegations did not take place in reality. There is nothing selective in what I'm putting forward, you're the on pedaling Bonner's allegations which even his own county board and an indepdent finding explicitly accept did not take place. Bonner has still not offered any sort of public (or private to my knowledge) apology to those whose reputations he destroyed.
You're the one who keeps pushing a vile, baseless agenda and you fully deserve to be exposed for the poisonous individual you are. You need to catch yourself on.
Quote from: ck on April 09, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.
I am selective in what I believe? That's rich. You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.
..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.
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Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
If someone wants to act like a piece of shit and slander two young lads in conflict with the facts available in order to drive their sad little agenda, then they shouldn't complained when they are called up on it.
Syferus and ck are a pair of slimy little bigots, if karma should ever cross their own lives then they can have little complaint.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
Do you ask yourself why you are such a bigot? Because unless you challenge your own bigotry then you have some gall to go down this line.
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
Go easy on the sledging there lad. Re. McCann. Condemnation for that embarrassing carryon @ Croke Pk last year, and rightly so. He was at the very same carryon, centre field about 15 m out from the main stand in the McKenna Cup final. Went down holding his face like he'd been poleaxed. Play continued and he jumped back to his feet. Lessons learnt from Hairgate? Naw. Own the feckin problem and change the behaviour
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Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.
Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.
And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.
Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.
Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts
Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.
Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.
It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging. I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.
Logan possibly brought it up because what I've been told is the altercation that took place after the SF was between Bonner & one of the lads accused.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
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Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
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Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Only an imbecile would try to compare those 2 incidents.
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Only an imbecile would try to compare those 2 incidents.
Address the question and stop stalling, Lynn made a meal out of very slight contact and got a Down man wrongly sent off last year. Do you think Derry greats should have been out and condemning him unreservedly? Yes or no?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Lynn clearly didn't cheat. There was clearly contact made around his eye (clearly accidental) and he went down on one knee holding his eye. He didn't dive onto his back as if he had been punched like mccann. Only a Tyrone person or an imbecile would compare the 2 incidents.
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Lynn clearly didn't cheat. There was clearly contact made around his eye (clearly accidental) and he went down on one knee holding his eye. He didn't dive onto his back as if he had been punched like mccann. Only a Tyrone person or an imbecile would compare the 2 incidents.
Aye right. Ask the Down folk if he didn't dive, or are they all imbeciles?
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
It would have been very easy to condemn mccann in this instance because his cheating was so blatant.
He was condemned at the time, read through the thread again if you don't believe me... But now you want it unreservedly condemned? Grow up and enjoy the season ahead without trying to be some sort of self appointed adjudicator of condemnation.
I don't need to read through the thread again. I read the articles at the time by canavan and jordan and I was extremely disappointed that they, as tyrone legends, didn't take the opportunity to condemn mccann as frankly it would have been good long term for mccann and tyrone for them to have done so. For young lads around tyrone it would have been great to see legends of the game like canavan and jordan calling mccann out for his blatant and sickening cheating.
Would it have been great for Derry greats to call out Enda Lynn for blatant and sickening cheating?
Lynn clearly didn't cheat. There was clearly contact made around his eye (clearly accidental) and he went down on one knee holding his eye. He didn't dive onto his back as if he had been punched like mccann. Only a Tyrone person or an imbecile would compare the 2 incidents.
He made a meal of the incident and got the Down player sent off.
Should the Derry greats have been out unreservedly criticising Enda Lynn for cheating? Yes or no?
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
This is hard reading.
List of things Tyrone have never done... inserted quotes properly.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 09, 2016, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
This is hard reading.
List of things Tyrone have never done... inserted quotes properly.
It was the Derry man who fucked things up on the quotes here, once again Tyrone are being incorrectly blamed for other wrongdoings.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 09, 2016, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
This is hard reading.
List of things Tyrone have never done... inserted quotes properly.
.....or ever ever accepted any blame.
Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2016, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 09, 2016, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
This is hard reading.
List of things Tyrone have never done... inserted quotes properly.
.....or ever ever accepted any blame.
Correct. To put it into context in an average tyrone game there would be 12-15 instances of diving much worse than what Lynn did. McCanns example of blatant cheating was on a whole different level and the end result of tyrone people defending him by setting up Facebook pages etc is that young Tyrone lads now see that as acceptable behaviour.
This same field has been ploughed some times now.
Quote from: lenny on April 10, 2016, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: muppet on April 09, 2016, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 09, 2016, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 09, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
This is hard reading.
List of things Tyrone have never done... inserted quotes properly.
.....or ever ever accepted any blame.
Correct. To put it into context in an average tyrone game there would be 12-15 instances of diving much worse than what Lynn did. McCanns example of blatant cheating was on a whole different level and the end result of tyrone people defending him by setting up Facebook pages etc is that young Tyrone lads now see that as acceptable behaviour.
Lynn made a meal of things and thus resulted in a Down man wrongly seeing the line. Your calls for unreserved condemnation for McCann but not wanting to address the Lynn situation is outright double standards and is a glaring admission of your bitterness and hypocrisy.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
[/quote
Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
One thing is for sure. If a Derry player had ever dived or cheated in the blatant way that mccann did the joe brolly would have the guts to call out his behaviour as cheating. He's had no problem criticising derry where necessary before and it's disappointing that Tyrone figures in the media couldn't have the same honesty and integrity to try to help to put an end to their diving culture.
Very simply what did he say again about Lynn.
Quote from: lenny on April 10, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: lenny on April 09, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 09, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Is George Mitchell available at the minute!
Can you not all just agree that you have different views and will never agree and leave it there. Please!
The only people who can't see there's a serious problem in Tyrone seem to be Tyrone people. It's a pity that there seems to be no dissenting voices, no big name from Tyrone that has the balls to call a spade a spade. I've seen plenty of Donegal supporters be very critical of their nasty moments but when it's Tyrone there's seemingly no contrition at all. It's always someone else's fault and even when they can't get the issue sidelined with that it becomes "sure everyone else is as bad as us, but we only get attention because everyone's out to get us". Like c'mon, no one in their right mind will ever buy that.
That's both why it keeps coming up and why it's a major worry that nothing seems to being done to improve underlying issues, they don't even accept that the issues are there in the first place. Logan's behaviour after the U21 Ulster semi-final tells you that if there was any doubt in your mind.
A proud and passionate GAA county that would have so many admirers throughout Ireland if they didn't have these clouds continually following them around. The biggest pity is they needed none of this rough housing and sledging to win. So why?
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Totally agree with this. No matter how bad the behaviour re diving or sledging and God knows there have been numerous examples with tyrone we always see that tyrone people will circle the wagons and defend the indefensible. They have a few big names in the media like canavan, jordan and mcginley who have all has the opportunity to condemn or criticse behaviour like that of mccann last year but they always ty to deflect the criticism and often try to defend the offending player.
As you were told and showed many of times, there was plenty of condemnation for McCann, you just chose to ignore it. You have shown plenty of times on here what a lowlife you are, a despicable, lying snake.
You are incorrect. you have not provided one quote from a tyrone person who has condemned mccann unreservedly. Canavan, jordan etc all said things like he won't be proud of his behaviour but that is hardly condemnation.
Unreservedly? Grow up Lenny, what planet are you people living on were you expect fans to unreservedly condemn their own players. You're like an old DUP man shouting at Sinn Fein back in the day.
One thing is for sure. If a Derry player had ever dived or cheated in the blatant way that mccann did the joe brolly would have the guts to call out his behaviour as cheating. He's had no problem criticising derry where necessary before and it's disappointing that Tyrone figures in the media couldn't have the same honesty and integrity to try to help to put an end to their diving culture.
One thing for sure us that when a Derry player makes a meal of contact that gets another player sent off, you are loathe to criticise him. That makes you a hypocrite. You either condemn all forms of cheating or you don't, you want it both ways.
What happened last year was Tyrone greats did actually criticise and condemn McCann's actions but stood up for him in the face of the media led hysteria.
Compare and contrast that with Ciaran Whelan's flat out denial of any wrongdoing with McMahon and Cooper last year. Cooper's planting his foot down on Diarmuid O'Connor's quad/knee region was one of the most dangerous and reckless acts I have seen on a GAA pitch and could easily have given him a very serious injury. Yet Whelan was downplaying the incident and unreservedly defending Cooper. McMahon was staunchly defended after being in the middle of several unsavoury incidents in that game. Didn't see any Dublin greats out unreservedly criticising either of those players. Where's the bee in your bonnet over that?
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Harte should have just congratulated Mayo and moved on... sounded like Wenger or Ferguson and them boys. Bitter
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Reads like Darragh still has a few sores that needs scratching from time to time. Himself and Oisin can't help sticking the boot in. Classy guys!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2016, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Reads like Darragh still has a few sores that needs scratching from time to time. Himself and Oisin can't help sticking the boot in. Classy guys!
He's 100% right both teams were at it on Saturday and if anything Tyrone's sledging was more obvious. Inter county football like any top level sport is played on the edge. suck it up and move on.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 10, 2016, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2016, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Reads like Darragh still has a few sores that needs scratching from time to time. Himself and Oisin can't help sticking the boot in. Classy guys!
He's 100% right both teams were at it on Saturday and if anything Tyrone's sledging was more obvious. Inter county football like any top level sport is played on the edge. suck it up and move on.
I agree apples, all these ex-players wringing their hands about it is nauseating! Mickeys interview was 2 minutes after the final whistle. These guys are agonizing over an article for days for money too! One line from an interview giving them a full article worth of writing! Easy money! Move on lads, it all looks a bit petty, like they are settling old scores!
Never beat Mayo in last 8 onwards in the championship. 8)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Never beat Mayo in last 8 onwards in the championship. 8)
Enjoy your annual bottling
I love the auld "ahh they're just jealous and are settling old scores" line when someone has a go at us! Lets face facts the antics of a number of Tyrone players this year and for the past number of years has not been of the highest standard! And yes other counties are at it, but not to the extent and degree Tyrone are. This running and shouting into peoples faces continuously is not good to watch and not setting a good example to young fans, its saying that it is acceptable, as MH is condoning it. But not only that, against the better quality teams its actually giving them additional motivation, which it did to Mayo eg Aidan O'Shea - play with fire and you'll get burned!
Ex-players have a go, but when we were winning they had opinions and it wasnt seen as having a go! Because we seem to be at a level below the top table it stinks when i hear "ahh theyre settling old scores" - when actually they arent, they are stating facts, that in this case the majority of the general public agree with. Jordan wrote about Tyrone having to sort out attacking options, is that an ex-player having a go?!? No stating facts!
In my opinion MH and Sean made tits of themselves after the game and in subsequent interviews. Sean gave an interview which wasnt 2mins after the game in which he complained about players being targetted! Now that stinks and Tyrone have never had to whinge in public before cos they were able to do their answering on the pitch! This whinging is nearly as bad as Armaghs public statement on the Sunday Game! Sean is really been seen in a bad light here and looks like hes crying for attention, or maybe its a "please Sean dont quit" plea.
Im going to keep saying it - Mickey has set this standard and condones, if not encourages it and needs to go!
Tyrone just aren't good enough to win all-Ireland, and the excuses being belted out by players and management are hurting the respect we had when we were good enough to bring Sam home. >:(
Was very impressed from what I saw of Tyrone in the league final of 2013 ( I think). Had us beaten but for some class finishing by Dean Rock towards the end. Looked to me then a team primed to make the next step forward to be serious AI contenders. Think they have plateaued (sic) since then.
Keep saying it but the current team does not have the quality of forwards the 00s team had and at the end of the day it is class forwards that win you AIs.
Quote from: Canalman on August 12, 2016, 12:40:22 PM
Was very impressed from what I saw of Tyrone in the league final of 2013 ( I think). Had us beaten but for some class finishing by Dean Rock towards the end. Looked to me then a team primed to make the next step forward to be serious AI contenders. Think they have plateaued (sic) since then.
Keep saying it but the current team does not have the quality of forwards the 00s team had and at the end of the day it is class forwards that win you AIs.
Completely agree! This "poor me" routine is a joke, Tyrone were able to use the dark arts to win Sam and could gloat when anyone complained, now when its used against us all you hear is whinging! O'Se has actually hit the nail on the head, MH and Sean should have been gracious in defeat instead of coming out crying like a baby! Sean's only damaging his own legacy.
Donaghy and Gooch have received some "attention" over the years and have taken it! I remember Ricey saying he never bothered with Stevie McDonnell as there was no point! Which meant he done it to a hell of alot more than him!
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Why did Darragh O'Se not pen this article in the aftermath of Fitzmaurice coming out with his "raped and pillaged" comments about Kieran Donaghy? A bit rich coming from a Kerry man after what Aidan O'Mahony was up to with Michael Murphy and Peter Crowley with Sean Cavanagh.
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Very good article, "they'd want to go easy with the horrified nuns act" ;D
I suppose the difference is, Darren is a cute hoor with a humourous turn of phrase whilst Tyronies are just dour whataboutery hoors.
Quote from: Main Street on August 13, 2016, 12:21:20 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Never been sore losers . . .
O'Se hitting the nail on the head here brass neck is right!!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-tyrone-want-sympathy-don-t-make-me-laugh-1.2750925
Very good article, "they'd want to go easy with the horrified nuns act" ;D
I suppose the difference is, Darren is a cute hoor with a humourous turn of phrase whilst Tyronies are just dour whataboutery hoors.
The whole cute hoor act is to portray yourself as some sort of harmless simpleton in order for people to underestimate you. It's hardly something to beam about.