List of things that Tyrone have never done

[ck]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no-one believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters commenting on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also made big claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

[lenny]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.

[reddgnhand]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.

Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.

[rrhf]

The laughable thing is he would have probably jumped over the wire to get away as a player.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no-one believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters commenting on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also made big claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

The young lad did not make a serious allegation to anyone, some people made serious allegations on his account which were found by an independent finding to be erroneous and this judgement was accepted by both parties. Why are you continually trying to push an angle that is simply untrue? Over and over again you are putting forward information that has no basis at all, I think it's about time you showed a bit of dignity and retracted them.

Kevin Cassidy, a close family friend of the Carrolls and a club mate of the Michael Carroll said this at the time the allegations broke:

"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.

"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident.

[lenny]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.

Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.

It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging.  I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.

[Il Bomber Destro]

To me, ck and Syferus are two chips of the same block as Declan Bonner, trying to destroy the reputation of two young lads on baseless facts and their twisted ignorance of the information put forward.

Here is Bonner's initial comments where he broke the allegations.

"Sledging is part and parcel of the game now, but there are certain boundaries that should not be crossed.

"This whole thing has gone to a new level and in our minor game against Tyrone on Sunday, those boundaries were crossed to sickening levels.

"We all know that this goes on and I think everyone accepts that it just has become a big part of the game now, but when the verbals extend to the bereavement of a family member or a loved one, there has to be a line drawn."

Here Bonner accepts sledging is part of the game and makes it clear that this was not the reason for his outrage, his reason for the outrage and going public on it was because the abuse crossed a line, using the death of a family member to try and put someone off. A disgusting thing to do for anyone of a reasonable mind. This is a very serious allegation and Bonner needed to be very careful when making it, given the repercussions for the players involved, he wasn't.

This allegation was made even more dubious when Kevin Cassidy, a close family friend of the Carrolls and a club mate of Carroll has this to say about the matter shortly after.

"I want to make it clear that the young lad in question holds no grudges and wanted the whole matter to go away as he understands the consequences that it could have for him in the lead up to their next Championship game.

"He is also aware of the impact it could have on those being accused of this which has been largely out of his control as he hasn't spoken to anyone about the incident.

a) the player did not want his manager bringing the incident into the public domain
b) he held no grudges to anyone over the incident
c) and most importantly, he had not spoken to anyone about the incident

If Carroll did not speak to anyone without the incident, then where did Bonner come from with the allegations? Did he put two and two together and see a young lad upset in the dressing room who had recently lost his father and had saw being on the receiving end of a bit of verbals and decide that's what happened? Did someone else tell him that is what happened? Either way, he didn't seem to have much of a basis for what he said and putting it in the public domain was serving neither his own player or the two Tyrone players any good.

Finally we had the Ulster Council's final report:

In balance of probabilities and following a review of the evidence, it was likely that some Tyrone players made unwelcome verbal comments towards the Donegal player during the game.

Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.

Tyrone GAA has expressed their best wishes to the Donegal player in question. The Donegal GAA officials welcomed and thanked Tyrone GAA for their comments and have also expressed the same sentiments to all the Tyrone players. This matter is now concluded....

The Committee agreed with both County Committees that the findings will remain confidential. We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee

a) The report found that sledging took place against the Donegal player, something Bonner admits is part and parcel of the game
b) Both counties and the investigation committee ACCEPT that verbal abuse to the player in relation to the death of his father DID NOT take place. There is no vague or ambiguous wording there, it's accepted that the specific allegations Bonner made, which he believed crossed certain boundaries were false.

Yet we will still have the same bigots on here still trying to muddy the waters and claim something happened which both county boards and the independent committe accept did not take place. Declan Bonner acted disgracefully in his handling of this matter and the two posters in question here (ck and Syferus) have the moral integrity of a sewer.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.

Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.

It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging.  I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.

What disgusting sledging were they involved in?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Is this stuff about Bonner true? If it is then why have the media not got wind yet?
If it's true then not only should Bonner never be on a sideline again but the assaulted player should report to the police.

Maybe the player didn't want to make a big fuss about it. Not every incident needs to rushed to the media you know. Bonner is a complete loose cannon and more fool the likes of you for hoovering up this mans media ramblings last year. Not all that happens via the media is true and similarly, just because the Irish Star (or wherever it is you look for your GAA facts) hasn't reported it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think it's fair to question a very serious allegation when the only place it has been discussed is an internet forum. The fact of the matter is that the Ulster council have banned this guy for 24 weeks for abuse to the referee. No mention of punching a player.
Of course this doesn't mean it didn't happen, same way as last years "investigation" doesn't mean the verbal abuse to the Donegal players didn't happen either.

And similarly because Bonner said it did happen last year doesn't mean it did. I'm glad you are beginning to get how this works.

Yes but you continue to miss the point. A young lad made a serious accusation (no believes he made it up) and his manager stupidly went to the media.
Said manager then is accused of punching a player when the same teams next meet. No one saw anything except some Tyrone supporters on an internet forum.

Tyrone manager brings up the issue again in an interview (is he any better than Bonner?) and also claims to "coach discipline". He coaches it so well that his team got fined 2k for breach of discipline. These are the facts

Both Bonner and Logan have come out of this badly and looking quite childish. The tyrone players sledging was disgraceful but the matter should have been reported and dealt with through official channels and not dragged through the press. Logan bringing it up again wasn't a good idea.

Logan's quote was "some Donegal officials dealt with some stuff last summer". How is that childish on his part? Are you comparing it with the accusations Bonner made about 2 minors. The incident was investigated because the parents supported by their clubs pursued the issue. I know the families were unhappy by how it was handled by the Tyrone CB.

It was childish because he had no need to bring it up at all. All it did was to bring the 2 young lads back into the public debate when they'd probably both have been glad if the situation was left to wither away. The bottom line is that from the incident last year Bonner came out of it badly but so did the tyrone player(s) involved in the disgusting sledging.  I can't understand why logan would want to dredge that up again.

As you seem to know the sledging they were involved with was disgusting then come out and tell us what was so disgusting about it?

Unless, of course, you're actually a vindictive little shitbag happy to go around slandering young lads in order to score your agenda?

[ck]

You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"

1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.

I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and  calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.

[BennyHarp]

You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"

1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.

I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and  calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.

I think the shitbag term was in exasperation of the fact that a few posters on here are so blinded by some form of county bigotry that they persist to argue this point. Calling you, (who is a nameless, faceless internet troll), a shitbag, pales into massive insignificance when you consider that you and a few other cronies are continually pointing an accusationary finger, in a public forum, at a 17 year old lad, who isn't nameless or faceless,  who has been cleared by an independent enquiry of the accusations that your are making. I'd suggest that unless you provide some new evidence for continuing to point the finger then you should maybe let this lie. It does make me wonder why a person with no real allegiance here continues to pursue this.

[Il Bomber Destro]

You let yourself down when you start to slag off posters and call them "shitbags"

1. The Ulster council "findings" are vague at best. If the player at the centre of the allegations was never spoken to then how could any conclusion be arrived at? Clearly the Ulster council "investigation" was an attempt to make the whole thing go away.
2. Cassidys comments are irrelevant and say very little. No idea why you keep referring to them.
3. The only reason we are discussing this is because your u.21 manager thought it would be a good idea to raise this entire matter again. All this achieved was a big two fingers up to an opposition that he had just beaten. I'd have expected more from him.
4. He also decided to state that they "coached discipline" yet his team were fined 2k for ill discipline.

I just think there is a huge amount of hypocracy around this entire issue, by most people connected to Tyrone. Tyrone have developed a reputation in recent years that no one appears to be addressing. Pointing the finger at others (and  calling them shitbags) and constant denials just appears to be the chosen form of defence.

1. Not vague, they quite clearly state that the specific allegations made about the nature did not take place and both parties accept they did not take place. This is very clear and unanimous in terms of both parties agreeing with this finding. The player who was stated to be at the centre of the allegations, never made any allegations, which bears the question. Why was Bonner going running his mouth off in the first place.
2. Cassidy's comments are extremeley relevant, of the people to speak out about the matter, he is the person who has by far the closest links to Michael Carroll. He was a close friend of Carroll's father and a club mate of him. What he said poured scorn on what was coming out from Bonner and the Donegal camp with regards to this incident. You choosing to ignore them just highlights how you only want to handpick snippets that suit your baseless argument.
3. The only reason we are talking about this again is because of shitbags like you, who continue to make utterly baseless allegations against young lads in order to force you spew your bigoted bile around the place. Would you like it if people made unfounded and very serious allegations against one of your own? It was deeply personal and there is a lot of genuine and completely understandable resentment towards Declan Bonner and the way he has acted and conducted himself previously. He has offered no public apology or remorse for what he put the two young Tyrone lads through.
4. Donegal were the team who had two dismissals and their manager now handed down a 24 week ban.

You are an extremely sad and bitter indivdual. Clearly you have a massive chip on your shoulder when it comes to Northern teams, I noted your smarmy little comments about Fermanagh last year and the clear agenda in your posts. If you have such a dislike for Ulster football then take a hike out of threads and matters which involve them.

[ck]

Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.

I am selective in what I believe? That's rich.  You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.

..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.

I am selective in what I believe? That's rich.  You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.

..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.

What is there to back up Declan Bonner's article? Nothing, that is what. The independent finding refutes it, even his own county board accept that his allegations did not take place in reality. There is nothing selective in what I'm putting forward, you're the on pedaling Bonner's allegations which even his own county board and an indepdent finding explicitly accept did not take place. Bonner has still not offered any sort of public (or private to my knowledge) apology to those whose reputations he destroyed.

You're the one who keeps pushing a vile, baseless agenda and you fully deserve to be exposed for the poisonous individual you are. You need to catch yourself on.

[Syferus]

Ah yeah, resort to personal abuse and name calling, yet again. No such thing as mature debate around these parts.

I am selective in what I believe? That's rich.  You are the one choosing to highlight Kevin Cassidys article whilst dismissing Declan Bonners article. That's convenient isn't it. In your view a family friend has more credence than the players team manager.

..and by the way, I am a big fan of Ulster football and regularly travel up to games, but detest the vile that goes on on the pitch in certain quarters. I have a right to challenge this stuff with the people that could possibly improve it. However the evidence on here would suggest there is no appetite to address it.
Keep pointing those fingers lads. 31 counties may have got it wrong about Tyrone? Perhaps.

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