Right it's time to stop depressing ourselves over the Monaghan game and move on. If the players have any sense of pride in the jersey they'll come out with a reaction in this one. Like I'd rather see us lose 5 4 with 8 men sent off and a game marred by ugly scenes than what happened last week. If I had the choice I'd prefer a nice high scoring victory though.
League football can be funny sometimes and you can never read too much into it but the nature of our performance was very worrying, After losing a game they were expected to win to go to Mayo and win a game they are most definitely expected to lose would get us right back on track. After last week it's hard to see it happening but I guess you never know.
We need to start competing for dirty ball around the middle. To me it's been our biggest downfall in recent years. We've continually played with half forward lines with no ball winners. We seem to spend to long in training working on smart Morgan kick outs at the expense of going for hard ball. When a team pushes up on us we then can't get a ball in the middle. We also for some reason never push up on the opposition so our constantly under pressure from their kickouts.
We really need justy and Harte back for this one. We really can't afford to miss anyone at the minute. We need to try to address the half forward issues. I'd take a chance on the following:
Morgan
Mcrory
Mcnamee
Mcccarron
Brennan
Mcnabb
McMahon
Colm c
Conall McCann
Harte
Donnelly
McShane
Mccurry
Cavanagh
Mckenna
Mcahane is a chance but he looked athletic in the mckenna cup and that's what we badly need there. McNulty had a poor game the last day and might be better deployed from the bench in this one.
sean needs to stay in.. and the guys need to put the ball in quick. Does Harte do this.
Lost this tie the last 2 years so we owe Tyrone one >:(
Seriously though our home record improved last year - but it had to after losing our first two games away. Still you never know but the new management would not want to go losing their first home match.
The Mayo selection will be interesting. We re bouncing with wing- backs and half forward line is beginning to take shape too. It s a as well to persist with Vaughan at mf and there are decisions to be made as well in ff line.
Maybe something like;
Clarke
Barrett
Keane
Higgins
Keegan
Coen
Durcan
Vaughan
Seamie
McLoughlin
Aido
Doc
Cillian
Freeman
Conroy/Ronaldson
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
Not many sure things in football.
Love this trip. This year it might be weather permitting.
A competitive performance would be about the height of the ambition though.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
The prices are very tight- no real form after one match
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports
Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2015, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
The prices are very tight- no real form after one match
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports
I'd save my money for a new set of floodlights to be honest
Tyrone to bounce back and win this by 2. We can't be as bad as were last weekend. Last year we bounced back from the carnage in Killarney to post 3 decent performances to finish of the league campaign, stuffing an admittedly woeful Westmeath, drawing in Cork and going down narrowly to the Dubs. Hopefully we have had our wake up call early on in this years campaign.
My team,
Morgan
McRory
McNamee
McCarron
McNabb
Justy
Harte
C Cav
McNulty (I'm persisting with him as I do feel he may be our best option long term and this game will tell us a lot about him at this level)
Matty Donnelly
McShane (Still early days - but I agree with RedHand Santa throw him in and see if he can cut it, he will add enthusiasm and desire at least)
Niall McKenna
McCurry
Cavanagh
McAliskey
Or maybe we will get tanked by 20 points?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Tyrone to bounce back and win this by 2. We can't be as bad as were last weekend. Last year we bounced back from the carnage in Killarney to post 3 decent performances to finish of the league campaign, stuffing an admittedly woeful Westmeath, drawing in Cork and going down narrowly to the Dubs. Hopefully we have had our wake up call early on in this years campaign.
My team,
Morgan
McRory
McNamee
McCarron
McNabb
Justy
Harte
C Cav
McNulty (I'm persisting with him as I do feel he may be our best option long term and this game will tell us a lot about him at this level)
Matty Donnelly
McShane (Still early days - but I agree with RedHand Santa throw him in and see if he can cut it, he will add enthusiasm and desire at least)
Niall McKenna
McCurry
Cavanagh
McAliskey
Or maybe we will get tanked by 20 points?
admire your optimism BennyHarp but have to say that we lucked out on the NFL campaign last year and if you take into account the Monaghan and Armagh games in the championship its as poor a year as we have had, using 39 players????...last saturday night sees us continue in the same form....all I see is a bunch of players and not a cohesive unit...that always takes time for sure but Id be up for change at this point
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
Wouldnt go near it.
Still expect Mayo to win but no-way do I think that's good value.
Tyrone has issues with their 3 most important players concussion, red card and black card. Tyrone might also have Peter Harte back who is a vitally important player for them. Also I could see a Tyrone backlash after the week they have had, where I can see the Mayo lads being a wee bit complacent after getting the win away in Kerry.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 03, 2015, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 02, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
1/2 Mayo to win at PP.
Given the weekend's results, that is a standout.
Wouldnt go near it.
Still expect Mayo to win but no-way do I think that's good value.
Tyrone has issues with their 3 most important players concussion, red card and black card. Tyrone might also have Peter Harte back who is a vitally important player for them. Also I could see a Tyrone backlash after the week they have had, where I can see the Mayo lads being a wee bit complacent after getting the win away in Kerry.
Don't know much about the troubles in Tyrone to be honest, but they usually do us in the league. I'm sure they'll be well fired up like BennyHarp said and they will try to out-do us again.
Mayo are gonna be hard to stop for an all Ireland this year.
Quote from: rrhf on February 03, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Mayo are gonna be hard to stop for an all Ireland this year.
Aye but the ladies AI isn't as prestigious as it used to be.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 03, 2015, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 03, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Mayo are gonna be hard to stop for an all Ireland this year.
Aye but the ladies AI isn't as prestigious as it used to be.
And you OtB clearly have as much info in the troubles in the Mayo ladies camp as I have in Tyrone's men's.
If Tyrone can churn in a performance that, even in defeat, shows they sky ain't falling I'd be surprised.
McCurry, McAliskey and Sean are capable of torturing any FB line but it takes good ball to get it in there. The quality is there in Donnelly, Harte and Colm to feed a FF line but they are more likely needed to firefight a FB line.
Apart from one occasion, Tyrone have always competed well with Mayo in the league. Interesting to see if that is still the case.
McKenna was impressive against Cavan but starved v Monaghan. He needs to grab a starting spot by the knackers now.
Quote from: rrhf on February 03, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Mayo are gonna be hard to stop for an all Ireland this year.
Nah, this has to be the sheep stealers' year. You just wait until Syferus and Rossfan barge in and they will be more than happy to let you know that not only the woolly jumpers win the All-Irelands but they will win the 6-Nations, the Premiership and World Ceili Dancing champiopnships and Creggar will knock the crap outa Connor McGregor, Cristiano Ronaldo and anyone else who thinks he's an athlete of any size, sort, shape or form!
BTW, I'm worrying that something real bad musta happened to the gruesome twosome because they'd usually be in at this stage, insulting each other and making general nuisances outa themselves as usual.
After 20 mins the ball hardly went up the pitch so wouldn't judge McKenna too harshly on sat night, but would like to see him getting out and really demand the ball on Sunday and start taking on a bit of responsibility.
He's at the stage now were it should be his time to start really making a mark at senior level. For me in the past he has always did some good things In a county jersey but just never did enough of them in a game. Nows his time to push on, I hope Harte gives him another go on Sunday beside Sean.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 03, 2015, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 03, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Mayo are gonna be hard to stop for an all Ireland this year.
Nah, this has to be the sheep stealers' year. You just wait until Syferus and Rossfan barge in and they will be more than happy to let you know that not only the woolly jumpers win the All-Irelands but they will win the 6-Nations, the Premiership and World Ceili Dancing champiopnships and Creggar will knock the crap outa Connor McGregor, Cristiano Ronaldo and anyone else who thinks he's an athlete of any size, sort, shape or form!
BTW, I'm worrying that something real bad musta happened to the gruesome twosome because they'd usually be in at this stage, insulting each other and making general nuisances outa themselves as usual.
They re still rowin' about the ref in Cavan match over in Division 2 thread!
And poor Michael Duffy doin his best. No gratitude.
Will ye 2 sets of yahoos knock 100 pages out of this game. :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2015, 11:42:18 PM
Will ye 2 sets of yahoos knock 100 pages out of this game. :-*
' Course we will, as you and your sidekick will contribute at least 90% of the crap that's gonna come!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 04, 2015, 01:03:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2015, 11:42:18 PM
Will ye 2 sets of yahoos knock 100 pages out of this game. :-*
' Course we will, as you and your sidekick will contribute at least 90% of the crap that's gonna come!
How do you explain Mission: Limerick last September so Lar?
Anyone that writes a post like the one above about woolly jumpers, Creggar etc is in no position to accuse anyone of writing crap!! The obsession that some Mayo posters have with the Rossies is fascinating.. Apologies to the Tyrone posters for going off thread.
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 04, 2015, 07:26:11 AM
Anyone that writes a post like the one above about woolly jumpers, Creggar etc is in no position to accuse anyone of writing crap!! The obsession that some Mayo posters have with the Rossies is fascinating.. Apologies to the Tyrone posters for going off thread.
Well farming is a quite important in Mayo, no wonder we keep an eye over the inhabitants of Roscommon.
Note: inferring a Roscommon animalistic nature not in the Paidi OShea Kerry sense, more in the genetic sense.
Quote from: ONeill on February 03, 2015, 10:54:19 PM
If Tyrone can churn in a performance that, even in defeat, shows they sky ain't falling I'd be surprised.
McCurry, McAliskey and Sean are capable of torturing any FB line but it takes good ball to get it in there. The quality is there in Donnelly, Harte and Colm to feed a FF line but they are more likely needed to firefight a FB line.
Apart from one occasion, Tyrone have always competed well with Mayo in the league. Interesting to see if that is still the case.
McKenna was impressive against Cavan but starved v Monaghan. He needs to grab a starting spot by the knackers now.
I can't see ball coming from anywhere into the forward line - but id be happy if you were right.
I felt Niall McKenna was taken off last week as a scapegoat for the failure of the rest of the attack and I hope he gets a chance - seems to have bulked up and was attracting good frees v Cavan and Armagh....
Mayo should have the bit between the teeth and it will take a major attitude change from Tyrone to get a sniff at a draw - I see Mayo winning by 5
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
morgan
mccrory
justy
mccarron
mcnabb
mcnamee
tierney
cavnagh c
cavnagh s (to selfish at ff)
matttie donnelly to sweep and do the dooher role
ronan o neill
p harte
mc curry
mckenna
mccaliskey
567 and 8 9 and 10 11 12 are more balanced in this selection . mcnamee can get forward and do what mattie hasnt the mobility to do. harte o neill are our best footballers irrespective of form they can release our inside line quicker.
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Yeah the provincial championships can often be won simply be being the least worst team in a province in any year - in some cases they are not that far off being participation trophies.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Yeah the provincial championships can often be won simply be being the least worst team in a province in any year - in some cases they are not that far off being participation trophies.
Just my personal view - if I was given a choice, I'd rather Mayo to win Connacht than the league. Perhaps because it's a stepping stone to the AI
Why do people think its a choice between one or the other.
very few teams apart from kerry can switch on and off
look at donegal 2013 a poor league followed by humiliation by mayo in Croke park
a top team has to keep their standards up at all times
Quote from: rosnarun on February 05, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
Why do people think its a choice between one or the other.
very few teams apart from kerry can switch on and off
look at donegal 2013 a poor league followed by humiliation by mayo in Croke park
a top team has to keep their standards up at all times
It's not a choice between one and the other but in a hypothetical world where there was such a choice........
You're right though - a good league doesn't necessarily mean a good championship but a bad league usually means a bad championship
It's worrying when you hear the likes of Canavan on OTB questioning Tyrone (although not Mickey) means that we're due an almighty lash back and of course Mayo flying high are due a nice trip back to Earth. All set up for a tyrone win
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
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I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Yeah the provincial championships can often be won simply be being the least worst team in a province in any year - in some cases they are not that far off being participation trophies.
i wouldn't rate a provincial championship. Ros won connacht in 2001 but failed afterwards. I think a league would have been more impressive.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
o
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Yeah the provincial championships can often be won simply be being the least worst team in a province in any year - in some cases they are not that far off being participation trophies.
i wouldn't rate a provincial championship. Ros won connacht in 2001 but failed afterwards. I think a league would have been more impressive.
Get a draw on the soft side of a provincial championship and come up on against a side that has an off day in
On a related point can anyone explain the logic in having 4 different provincial councils nowadays - you can see the point when the GAA was set up and people were travelling by horse and cart and there wasnt a telephone in the land, but in this day and age it surely represents a horrendous waste of money in terms of staffing and administration cosys given the amount of duplication having four different provincial councils in place must lead to.
Mayo team to be named tomorrow night. Hard to see much changes really apart from Conroy on for Regan from the word go this time. That's my own tuppence worth. Oh and Adam Gallagher wasn't impressive the last day either.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Chimley on February 05, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
It'll be interesting to see the Mayo team for this one. They'll be anxious to win at home and I think they seem to have an eye on the league (listening to post match comments). It would take a bit of pressure off the championship if there is a medal in your pocket already. Having said that, Holmes has been there before, and all the league medals in the world won't be any good if we relinquish our Connacht title tamely.
o
I'm not sure that it would, the league is nice to win but like you say a league title wouldn't rank as high as a Connacht title
Why not? Connacht teams rarely win the league.
There is always one team that wins the Connacht championship every year, by comparison.
Yeah the provincial championships can often be won simply be being the least worst team in a province in any year - in some cases they are not that far off being participation trophies.
i wouldn't rate a provincial championship. Ros won connacht in 2001 but failed afterwards. I think a league would have been more impressive.
We won the league in 2001 and failed afterwards :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 05, 2015, 05:32:17 PM
Mayo team to be named tomorrow night. Hard to see much changes really apart from Conroy on for Regan from the word go this time. That's my own tuppence worth. Oh and Adam Gallagher wasn't impressive the last day either.
What about Cillian O Connor Farr?
Quote from: moysider on February 05, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 05, 2015, 05:32:17 PM
Mayo team to be named tomorrow night. Hard to see much changes really apart from Conroy on for Regan from the word go this time. That's my own tuppence worth. Oh and Adam Gallagher wasn't impressive the last day either.
What about Cillian O Connor Farr?
Yeah, wasn't thinking straight, he could do a job at 11 perhaps? Also pending on how fit AOS is he might start.
Tyrone team v Mayo Allianz Football League 8.2.15
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
6 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
11 – Ronan O Neill – An Omaigh
12 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Sean Cavanagh © – An Mhaigh
15 – Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
18 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
19 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Danny McBride – An Srath Bán
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair
22 – Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
23 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
24 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
25 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
26 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
With two exceptions (Peter Harte in for Barry Tierney, and Tiernán Mc Cann in for PJ Lavery), the lads who capitulated so submissively on Saturday evening last (after 20 minutes), have a chance at Castlebar redemption.
Here's beseeching them to take it, though easy it surely won't be! :)
Strong team. I was expecting Justin to start though.
I think McCurry scored a couple of goals against us last year so we re forewarned there. Keith will be picking him up.
Keane was given mom v Kerry but Cavanagh is a massive challenge. Hopefully he s up to it and this is exactly the kind of test our fb needs now. I d rate Mattie Donnelly very highly as a 6 (what is his best position?) and we need our 11 (whether it s Gallagher or somebody else) to be more imposing in this game. I d start Aido at 11 now. Might not be able to chase too good but might keep Donnelly defensive?
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Quote from: moysider on February 05, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
Strong team. I was expecting Justin to start though.
I think McCurry scored a couple of goals against us last year so we re forewarned there. Keith will be picking him up.
Keane was given mom v Kerry but Cavanagh is a massive challenge. Hopefully he s up to it and this is exactly the kind of test our fb needs now. I d rate Mattie Donnelly very highly as a 6 (what is his best position?) and we need our 11 (whether it s Gallagher or somebody else) to be more imposing in this game. I d start Aido at 11 now. Might not be able to chase too good but might keep Donnelly defensive?
I think most Tyronies would prefer to see Mattie on the half-forward line moysider, where we feel he could do more damage. He can still be a handful from number 6, but personally I would prefer to see him to the fore of midfield.
Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Quote from: tiempo on February 05, 2015, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2015, 10:40:06 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 05, 2015, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
why do you always feel the need to defend every decision that mickey makes...
are you related
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Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
why do you always feel the need to defend every decision that mickey makes...
are you related
Cause it's constant complaining and unbalanced criticism on here. I'm not sure what relevance peter Harte being his nephew had in terms of him starting on Sunday.
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Hopefully ye Tyronies are still bickering among yerselves Sunday evening :D; but I m a bit apprehensive about this.
2 years ago we seemed well in control but lost against the head - largely down to a bit of brilliance from Stephen O Neill.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
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Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
why do you always feel the need to defend every decision that mickey makes...
are you related
Cause it's constant complaining and unbalanced criticism on here. I'm not sure what relevance peter Harte being his nephew had in terms of him starting on Sunday.
Raising a point of frustration against mickeys selection criteria. Peter is a class footballer but there is always a place found for him regardless of form, hes had extended spells at CHF, CHB, wing back and wing forward, he was brought in very soon after minor which isnt how Mickey typically opertates and has had more than a fair crack, barry tierney was left hung out to dry in kerry 1:1 v o'donaghue with no protection or pressure on the ball going in and wasnt seen again for months, he was omaghs outstanding performer in the ulster club championship and is dropped second game into the NFL.
Anyway i wouldnt try and second guess a fella who drops players by text message and played ciaran gourley at CHF in an all ireland quarter final v Mayo, square pegs for round holes i'm telling ya
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 05, 2015, 11:14:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
There's a growing baying crowd at the minute regarding Mickey and Peter often bares the brunt when Mickey is under pressure. I'd say there is very few people who would honestly leave Peter Harte out of their starting 15. Over the next few weeks we will have Conor Clarke back, Justy in and Matty and Petey in the forward line. I'm becoming more confident by the day.....
Get used to the bickering opposing fans. It will be like thus all year I'm afraid.
Petey is definitly one of our better players but a bit like Big Sean, Mattie & many others we can't find his best position. Tinkerman has eaten away at players confidence the last few years.
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Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
I honestly think that the handling of Peter Harte is the way Mickey should have been treating all other exceptional minors he has tried to bring through. He didn't wait 3 or 4 years with Peter, and gave him enough minutes on the pitch irrelevant of performance to get the necessary confidence and experience required to adjust to this level. The treatment of Tierney and countless others just highlights the way Harte operates with the majority of non-favourites. As for Peter Harte, he is one of our better players and should be one of the first names on the team sheet, gets a lot of abuse but does a lot of good things in every game.
Our best performance from an attacking perspective last year was v Mayo when Matty Donnelly, McCurry and RON were let loose together up front - for some strange reason that line-out has not been replicated since, you would wonder why?
Donnelly was kicking them over from all angles in that game ably assisted by McCurry as I recall.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
My first post on the topic
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
Tiempo, might you do us all a wee favour, and feck off with your relentless anti-Harte negativity. Sure, we might all have our doubts and misgivings, but for feck's sake put them on the slow burn or back-burner for a little while.
Let's see how it goes on Sunday coming (Hail Marys, Our Fathers, novenas, rosaries, any other prayer you like ad infinitum copiously offered ad infinitum in homage to the raw beauty of Croagh Patrick, just down the road). Raise your heckles for the boys in white and red, then vent your voluble spleen again! ;)
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
My first post on the topic Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
So if you were picking the team for Sunday would you put Petey back in? If your answer to that is yes, then what point are you trying to make.
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
My first post on the topic Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
So if you were picking the team for Sunday would you put Petey back in? If your answer to that is yes, then what point are you trying to make.
Answer is no, i would put barry tierney in, as people have been saying lads need a fiar crack of the whip, like petey has had more than anyone else. The point i am making is nepotism, inconsistent selection criteria, favouritism and round pegs in square holes. But Mickey just couldnt leave Petey out and had to make a second token change to avoid the obvious criticism.
If Mickey is trying to give the team of last week the chance to redeem itself then you go 1-15, if hes going off performances last week in selecting this weeks team then you make 3 or 4 changes.
Michael Hall will hardly play RCB, will he?
If not who will?
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Michael Hall will hardly play RCB, will he?
If not who will?
Beats me. No Barrett there to shore things up like he did the last day.
Good to see lads get a run. Likes of Cillian and Aidan to come in for last half hour. Hopefully we ll have enough.
Peter harte well worth his place along with ronan o neill the two most naturally gifted footballers in the team. an easy dig to say that he plays because of mickey i have a feeling he would play a lot better if mickey wasnt about. his big uncle doesent appear to know petees best position. as someone has already said tiernan mccann must be cutting mickeys grass or washing his car and the wee bearded one is repaying a favour. cant see what he brings at least when he had the beard he stood out. hes a non contact 10 or 5.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:32:42 PM
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
If you're about Castlebar tomorrow around 4pm moysider (a bit away for you on the eve, I do realise ;) ), I'll divulge all. Suffice it to say right now, I'm going more for the craic than the expectation, but sure, no better place to go in wild optimism and Mick Byrne knows our medicine, to be sure! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:32:42 PM
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
If you're about Castlebar tomorrow around 4pm moysider (a bit away for you on the eve, I do realise ;) ), I'll divulge all. Suffice it to say right now, I'm going more for the craic than the expectation, but sure, no better place to go in wild optimism and Mick Byrne knows our medicine, to be sure! ;)
I see Donegal pick their championship team. Ours is an FBD selection. Not that I m complaining because we have to find out a bit more. A friend just text that we have only 2 championship forwards starting, 1 midfielder and 4 defenders (1 of whom is playing in midfield). Harsh maybe but that would be a common enough view down here. You have plenty reason for optimism.
Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:52:58 PM
I see Donegal pick their championship team. Ours is an FBD selection. Not that I m complaining because we have to find out a bit more. A friend just text that we have only 2 championship forwards starting, 1 midfielder and 4 defenders (1 of whom is playing in midfield). Harsh maybe but that would be a common enough view down here. You have plenty reason for optimism.
Get away outta that, with your oul plamás! ;)
The All-Ireland champs had trouble enough with your 'FBD' selection last weekend, sure we'll give it a rattle anyway! :)
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Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Yep...he's saying 'you got us into this mess'......
Makes a difference from last year when there was a lot of chopping.
Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
One question on Niall McKenna at 15. Niall will have played underage and Senior with Donaghmore, Tyrone U18, U21 & Senior, and Colleges football with Dungannon Academy and Queens. Is there any other manager that he has played for that has considered him a corner forward?
In my opinion the lad is not an inside forward at Senior county level. Worth a go elsewhere, maybe, but why are we putting square pegs in round holes... again.
Are you saying peter Harte shouldn't be on? He would have started last week only for the fact he was unavailable. Tierney didn't take his chance so makes sense to bring Harte back in. Nothing to do with him being a nephew so not sure why you feel the need to bring that into it.
Wonder why justy isn't on. He had a good McKenna cup. Could easily fit into into the half back line and move one of the other boys up.
I think corner forward could be only chance McKenna has. Doesn't have the size for midfield and hadn't impressed at half forward.
why do you always feel the need to defend every decision that mickey makes...
are you related
Cause it's constant complaining and unbalanced criticism on here. I'm not sure what relevance peter Harte being his nephew had in terms of him starting on Sunday.
Raising a point of frustration against mickeys selection criteria. Peter is a class footballer but there is always a place found for him regardless of form, hes had extended spells at CHF, CHB, wing back and wing forward, he was brought in very soon after minor which isnt how Mickey typically opertates and has had more than a fair crack, barry tierney was left hung out to dry in kerry 1:1 v o'donaghue with no protection or pressure on the ball going in and wasnt seen again for months,he was omaghs outstanding performer in the ulster club championship and is dropped second game into the NFL.
Anyway i wouldnt try and second guess a fella who drops players by text message and played ciaran gourley at CHF in an all ireland quarter final v Mayo, square pegs for round holes i'm telling ya
He looked good going forward in a very defensive team which generally covered his defensive weakness, the Ulster final being a great example.
That said I think he deserves another chance at half back but then so does Lee Brennan.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
My first post on the topic Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
So if you were picking the team for Sunday would you put Petey back in? If your answer to that is yes, then what point are you trying to make.
Answer is no, i would put barry tierney in, as people have been saying lads need a fiar crack of the whip, like petey has had more than anyone else. The point i am making is nepotism, inconsistent selection criteria, favouritism and round pegs in square holes. But Mickey just couldnt leave Petey out and had to make a second token change to avoid the obvious criticism.
If Mickey is trying to give the team of last week the chance to redeem itself then you go 1-15, if hes going off performances last week in selecting this weeks team then you make 3 or 4 changes.
So you think Tierney is a better player than Harte - you must be the only person in the County. I don't think Mickey's focus is to give the players a chance to redeem themselves, he is probably more focused in winning the game so he picks the best team meaning Harte on and Tierney off.
Where's all the Mayo wans?
Usually they would be on page 50 by now.
I hope Gallagher is going to get more game time than just last week , I know he was very quiet v Kerry but these bucks need a few games . He might of thought to himself last week " no sense in putting in a motm performance here like I did against Kildare and tyrone last year, you only get dropped then"
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 06, 2015, 11:00:56 PM
Where's all the Mayo wans?
Usually they would be on page 50 by now.
We re thin on the ground at the best of times and it s usually the Rossies that bulk out our threads.
Lookit, unlike ye lads we don t have much to fall out over yet. But as soon as Holmes #2 loses the fur will fly for a while.
I d guess a few Mayo's are a bit nervy with these transitional teams. That is a very brave team selection imo. It s very much a case of wait and see with us.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
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Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
Mayo by 12
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Mayo by 12
Yeeeeeeeeoooooooooowww! More like it! We're now invincible! :)
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Mayo by 12
Yeeeeeeeeoooooooooowww! More like it! We're now invincible! :)
Isn't it a seismic one though? For an NFL game. A tame submission, at full strength, after the vile submission in Omagh, with Canavan's and Hughes' criticisms ringing in their ears - it would be a hard one to ride.
Peter says there'll be a sting in the tail this weekend - and let's be honest it's Mayo who normally roll over if it's put up to them like all Western counties, even to a middlin Ulster side - but I don't think we have it.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Harte is a class footballer, and would get on any County team, silly dig because he is related to Mickey Harte.
Agreed. No need for any familial aspersions.
Nepotism, its a fairly well seen phenomenon.
Stop already, lose the chip! Peter Harte is worth his place, what's Tiarnán Mc Cann's family connection?
My first post on the topic Hes saying, "yep you got us into this mess but nephew Peter is fit so he's straight back in as normal regardless and one other token change so that it can't be levelled that Petey was the only change."
So if you were picking the team for Sunday would you put Petey back in? If your answer to that is yes, then what point are you trying to make.
Answer is no, i would put barry tierney in, as people have been saying lads need a fiar crack of the whip, like petey has had more than anyone else. The point i am making is nepotism, inconsistent selection criteria, favouritism and round pegs in square holes. But Mickey just couldnt leave Petey out and had to make a second token change to avoid the obvious criticism.
If Mickey is trying to give the team of last week the chance to redeem itself then you go 1-15, if hes going off performances last week in selecting this weeks team then you make 3 or 4 changes.
So you think Tierney is a better player than Harte - you must be the only person in the County. I don't think Mickey's focus is to give the players a chance to redeem themselves, he is probably more focused in winning the game so he picks the best team meaning Harte on and Tierney off.
I think Tierney and Harte are both excellent and should be played at 5 & 7 respectively, i think they are much of a muchness as players with very little to choose between them, but only one of them has been consistently given the opportunity to recover from a poor performance with selection in the following game. I am not saying they are identical in all aspects of their game but their would be no daylight between them if you are talking "which is the better".
That is not Tyrones strongest team, I dont think anyone in Tyrone would dispute that. As i said before Niall McKenna is not an inside forward at Senior county level. There were 3 players dropped a week ago that would walk into that team.
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2015, 11:40:58 PM
I think Tierney and Harte are both excellent and should be played at 5 & 7 respectively, i think they are much of a muchness as players with very little to choose between them, but only one of them has been consistently given the opportunity to recover from a poor performance with selection in the following game. I am not saying they are identical in all aspects of their game but their would be no daylight between them if you are talking "which is the better".
That is not Tyrones strongest team, I dont think anyone in Tyrone would dispute that. As i said before Niall McKenna is not an inside forward at Senior county level. There were 3 players dropped a week ago that would walk into that team.
Give it a rest. I'm not going to slate publicly any player on any public forum like this, here, but Petey Harte is the man in that berth, for now.
Niall Mc Kenna has been STARVED of ball -- I don't what you expect of him, is he supposed to be some sort of magician?
If the ball isn't being delivered to the forwards, how do you expect it to be delivered there, by teleportation?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2015, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2015, 11:40:58 PM
I think Tierney and Harte are both excellent and should be played at 5 & 7 respectively, i think they are much of a muchness as players with very little to choose between them, but only one of them has been consistently given the opportunity to recover from a poor performance with selection in the following game. I am not saying they are identical in all aspects of their game but their would be no daylight between them if you are talking "which is the better".
That is not Tyrones strongest team, I dont think anyone in Tyrone would dispute that. As i said before Niall McKenna is not an inside forward at Senior county level. There were 3 players dropped a week ago that would walk into that team.
Give it a rest. I'm not going to slate publicly any player on any public forum like this, here, but Petey Harte is the man in that berth, for now.
Niall Mc Kenna has been STARVED of ball -- I don't what you expect of him, is he supposed to be some sort of magician?
If the ball isn't being delivered to the forwards, how do you expect it to be delivered there, by teleportation?
Never slated Petey Harte, slated the selection criteria, bias and round pegs in square holes. Niall McKenna is being lead up the garden path with a few early season outings before being hauled in to sit on the bench for the end of NFL and Championship, he will serve a purpose as Mickey loves an in house training game and needs a surplus of players for this. The lad is being played out of position, that is to say that even if great quality ball was coming in thick and fast he wouldn't do a pile with it as he is not an inside forward, he needs a run out at wing forward to see if he can contribute in the middle third as is his strength as a player
Quote from: ONeill on February 06, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2015, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 06, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
Mayo by 12
Yeeeeeeeeoooooooooowww! More like it! We're now invincible! :)
Isn't it a seismic one though? For an NFL game. A tame submission, at full strength, after the vile submission in Omagh, with Canavan's and Hughes' criticisms ringing in their ears - it would be a hard one to ride.
Peter says there'll be a sting in the tail this weekend - and let's be honest it's Mayo who normally roll over if it's put up to them like all Western counties, even to a middlin Ulster side - but I don't think we have it.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's more usually a middlin Ulster referee, or a f**king South Monaghan one that does us in when we re any good. We don t mind it put up to us so long as ref isn t bent. Best of luck with the rolling over on Sunday ;)
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2015, 11:59:25 PM
Never slated Petey Harte, slated the selection criteria, bias and round pegs in square holes. Niall McKenna is being lead up the garden path with a few early season outings before being hauled in to sit on the bench for the end of NFL and Championship, he will serve a purpose as Mickey loves an in house training game and needs a surplus of players for this. The lad is being played out of position, that is to say that even if great quality ball was coming in thick and fast he wouldn't do a pile with it as he is not an inside forward, he needs a run out at wing forward to see if he can contribute in the middle third as is his strength as a player
Look lad, it's fecking
led (as in the verb's past tense, or more specifically the past participle of the verb to lead), not lead (as in the bleedin' metal), right?
Still, give it a rest, save all that spiel until Sunday evening or later, it's just tiresome, truly.
A lot depends on the benches. I expect a strong Mayo bench on Sunday. Mayo will probably try (and might get away with) 7/8 subs but that's fine by me. Long enough teams walked on them for being too nice.
Quote from: Nihilist on February 07, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
A lot depends on the benches. I expect a strong Mayo bench on Sunday. Mayo will probably try (and might get away with) 7/8 subs but that's fine by me. Long enough teams walked on them for being too nice.
Fair point, and I fear the Westerners have the stronger bench, realistically.
Hope Clarke has varied kickouts rather than 'hoofit' like Hennelly last week.
Quote from: Nihilist on February 07, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
A lot depends on the benches. I expect a strong Mayo bench on Sunday. Mayo will probably try (and might get away with) 7/8 subs but that's fine by me. Long enough teams walked on them for being too nice.
Eh?
Haven t seen the subs list but expect to finish with a 'stronger' team than we start with.
You re looking at finishing with AOS, COC and Barrett anyway. For me last week Barrett was up there with Keith and Doc as mom. He s always been a leader and a more natural no. 5 but he rescued Coen the last day outa the corner and had an 8/9 out of 10 performance. So good nobody noticed it.
Dunno who else is around. Bit early for Dillon and Andy. A Gibbons or a Parsons maybe? Maybe even a Duffy or a Mort :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
Hope Clarke has varied kickouts rather than 'hoofit' like Hennelly last week.
Yeah, although it might not be needed against Tyrone's mf
Must say I'm pleased so far with management giving new players a chance. Hopefully Hall will impress. It's a shame the bench isn't named too, just to see if Duffy is a viable option or not.
I think Hall has massive potential, not sure he's a corner back though. Have we any new corner backs on the squad? Would Ger Caff be an option there if Keane was at fb?
I hope Gallagher gets some time
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 07, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
I think Hall has massive potential, not sure he's a corner back though. Have we any new corner backs on the squad? Would Ger Caff be an option there if Keane was at fb?
I hope Gallagher gets some time
Harrison last year did very well at corner back in the League.
Cafferkey can play CB as well and is usually sent out to mark the danger man in the opposition FF line. Then of courses there's Cunniffe so there could be a full compliment across the FB line if someone like Hall were to show potential. Hard to judge Hall though as he is so young and inexperienced at this level.
Playing new players like Durcan and Gallagher for a game and then dropping them is a waste of time imho. They had varying degrees of success last week but you have to have some faith in them and commit to a few games at least.
I suspect it could be the same for Hall which won't do him any good either. At least they are sticking with Coen.
As for the keepers, Clarke and Hennelly are both very good keepers but imho Hennelly has the better kickout, despite last week.
In lovely Castlebar. Took the hen-party express from Dublin (to Westport ), and by the time I reached Castlebar it sounded more like a carriage full of Katherine Lynch Dublin characters :)
Could be a whole lot bleedin' worse, so it could. Tír Eoghain abú! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 07, 2015, 06:26:56 PM
In lovely Castlebar. Took the hen-party express from Dublin (to Westport ), and by the time I reached Castlebar it sounded more like a carriage full of Katherine Lynch Dublin characters :)
Could be a whole lot bleedin' worse, so it could. Tír Eoghain abú! ;)
What are Mayo people really like?
The thing that annoys me about the keyboard warriors on here who give Harte so much stick is that most of them would hardly even go to a tyrone game. They're like the average county fan who support the teams when they're doing well and become huge fans but disappear and have some excuse for not supporting the team when things go poorly. Some our just on complaining due to club grudge or annoyance that none of there club men our on the team.
People often question me on here as to why I feel the need to always defend Harte. Well I guess it's cause I'm a die hard tyrone fan who will follow the team no matter what. Harte has brought us great success and will be the tyrone manager this year no matter what is said on here so I'd rather get behind him than turn on the team.
I haven't been happy with various aspects of the teams displays at times in recent years. The thing that has annoyed me the most is the way we have lay down and showed no fight in some games. I don't feel the need to give Harte personal abuse over it though, I would hold the manager and players jointly responsible. Many of the same players disappeared in u21 games so it's not just been under Harte.
The one thing that I would be critical of him is over his ability to deal with the half forward issue. We need to get a couple of hard ball winning players in here. When you look at the half forward line that started v armagh last year it was just to nice and I feel he has been trying the wrong players. After 08 we went very defensive playing out and out sweepers to counteract the lack of quality. It took us to a semi in 13. I think Harte realised that day that you wouldn't win an all Ireland without a greater range of attacking power and has tried to address since but hasn't got there.
I do think there is unrealistic expectations among some tyrone fans though. They're judging the current team on the success in the last decade. But that hasn't always been the way with tyrone teams. Look back to the 90s record pre the golden era
1990 to 1993 beat first round ulster
1994 ulster finalists
1995 ulster champs and all Ireland finalists
1996 ulster champs
1997 ulster semi finalists
1998 beat first round
1999 ulster semi finalists
We had some success around the middle of the decade but despite changing managers 3 or 4 times we failed to get past an ulster semi on 7 out of ten years. I'm just trying to put the current decade into some sort of context and suggest that a change in manager isn't a guarantee of success. This decade we've already won an ulster, been to the all Ireland quarters twice and semis once.
I do hope that last week was a one off in the season and that the fight back starts today. I wouldn't be surprised if there's positional changes today. McCann could go to half back with Donnelly or Harte going up. Oneill and cavanagh could well switch. It's a long enough trip up and down and I'm hoping for a victory but either way I'll be in Omagh in 3 weeks to support the team.
Big game for Tyrone today and one where I expect harte to go full out on the defensive..backs are against the wall and I expect us to pack the defence..Tyrone have scoring difficulties and perhaps in moving Mattie Donnelly to the full forward line along with Cavanagh could bear fruit..Tyrone arnt as bad as everyone it making out and I expect a backlash
RHS, do you enjoying watching Tyrone play these days? Even when they win, to me it's not an enjoyable experience any more for me. Their style of play and lack of leaders and fight within the team is demoralising to watch. Harte in my eyes seems to make a lot if wrong calls the last few years and has undermined a lot of players confidence.
Of course the players have to shoulder some responsibility but I don't see much personal abuse being thrown at Harte bar his stubbornness.
The Petey Harte nephew argument is ridiculous to me. Yes Petey has struggled in previous years to play to his potential but part of that is Mickey can't decide where to play him.
To me one of our biggest positives Sean Cav at FF who could hold the key to a winning formula is becoming one of our biggest negatives. We can all see his potential in there but why oh why can't Mickey get him to learn to become a team player. If we could get Sean to play a Star role where we can kick long fast ball into him and we have players like McCurry, McAliskey, RON, PJ and Hughes timing their runs KNOWING that Sean will release it fast and accurate into their path then we suddenly have a very different attacking system. Count today how many times Sean loses possession with possible easy passes on around him. Players soon get fed up when they know the pass won't come so they then stop making those runs. McCurry especially could be one hell of a player if only he had a target man with fast hands but more importantly fast thinking head.
Sorry, I forgot myself there. Its a game all about stopping the other team. So maybe Sean as a third sweeper is best.
I hope they play well today and win but I fear more crab football and slow attacks from the back.
Have Mayo rented a Premier League crowd in for this game to just boo at everything?
Tyrone getting everyone behind the ball but Mayo struggling to break it down.
How the hell was that not a black card for Doherty?
We have the farcical situation of a rule that is being ignored being declared a success by those who brought it in.
A fit Justy McMahon is a fine thing to behold!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 08, 2015, 08:28:55 AM
I do think there is unrealistic expectations among some tyrone fans though. They're judging the current team on the success in the last decade. But that hasn't always been the way with tyrone teams. Look back to the 90s record pre the golden era
1990 to 1993 beat first round ulster
1994 ulster finalists
1995 ulster champs and all Ireland finalists
1996 ulster champs
1997 ulster semi finalists
1998 beat first round
1999 ulster semi finalists
To be fair that was a golden era in comparison to most of Tyrone's history!
Personally my complaints about Mickey are not based on the team not competing for All-Ireland titles. It's clear this current group of players are not at the same level as the legends of the previous decade. I do think however that last season they were much less than the sum of their parts. I feel the manager's constant changes in personnel and systems are a factor in that underachievement. I have a huge respect for Mickey and his work in bringing success to Tyrone but that doesn't mean I'm not going to question his methods at times.
Off to a good start today, let's hope they can keep it going.
Quote from: CD on February 08, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
A fit Justy McMahon is a fine thing to behold!
He is indeed! We are showing a bit of fight today, hopefully we can keep it going. Mayos shooting hasn't improved over the winter!
Tyrone playing with a bit more urgency than last week. Tiernan McCann and McMahon showing well for me. Sean Cavanagh looks off the pace although I'd imagine they're still training heavily enough. McCurry is playing very deep. Would like to see him on the end of a few more attacks.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: CD on February 08, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
A fit Justy McMahon is a fine thing to behold!
He is indeed! We are showing a bit of fight today, hopefully we can keep it going. Mayos shooting hasn't improved over the winter!
Tyrone missed a couple there as well! Will be a different Mayo in this half - like you I'm intrigued as to whether Tyrone can maintain it.
I can't think of the last time I saw us this bad.
Ref not helping but in fairness to him, almost every challenge by both teams is a foul.
I take it back.
The ref is an idiot although it took Marty Duffy to tell him.
Quote from: frostbit on February 08, 2015, 03:08:43 PM
Martin Duffy couldn't wait to get involved... Black to Aidan Ó Sé. I thought it was accidental myself.
O'Shea was in the air ffs.
Colm Kavanagh threw a tantrum and Marty Duffy bought it.
Black card rules it would seem don't apply in this game today. O Shea lucky not to get a red instead of black for that cheap shot on the Tyrone goalkeeper. How does Michael Conroy still get a game for Mayo. Not even a distant relation of the standard required for an inter county forward
I think I need someone to sit down and explain the black card rule to me again. It looks like it's allocated on a random basis these days.
Quote from: frostbit on February 08, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
Can someone clarify the square ball rule to a hurling man?
Yes.
If there has been a ludicrous card awarded against a team, the next few calls go your way.
No way was O'Shea's a black card. Thought Mayo a bit lucky to get the goal though as COC wasn't competing for the ball when he impeded the Tyrone goalkeeper. It wasn't a square ball though as you simply need to be outside the square when it's kicked and COC was I think.
Is there a rule somewhere that can't have square ball if balls comes off the post, can be only reason goal was given, kinsella having poor game
Quote from: frostbit on February 08, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
Can someone clarify the square ball rule to a hurling man?
For an attacking player to enter opponents' small rectangle:
(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the final play of the ball into the small rectangle.
He was clearly inside the small rectangle when the ball was kicked and hit the post. As definite a square ball as you will see
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
No way was O'Shea's a black card. Thought Mayo adeciy to get the goal though as COC wasn't competing for the ball when he impeded the Tyrone goalkeeper. It wasn't a square ball though as you simply need to be outside the square when it's kicked and COC was I think.
Which shot though? The one McLoughlin which hit the post hit he was standing in the square the whole time. I thought it was square ball but not 100% sure to be honest.
Never a black for O'Shea ridiculous decision.
I'm glad Mickey picks his nephew! ;D
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 08, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
No way was O'Shea's a black card. Thought Mayo adeciy to get the goal though as COC wasn't competing for the ball when he impeded the Tyrone goalkeeper. It wasn't a square ball though as you simply need to be outside the square when it's kicked and COC was I think.
Which shot though? The one McLoughlin which hit the post hit he was standing in the square the whole time. I thought it was square ball but not 100% sure to be honest.
Never a black for O'Shea ridiculous decision.
Agreed! Had a wee look and knew what he was up to but a ticking off at best!
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 08, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:14:55 PM
No way was O'Shea's a black card. Thought Mayo adeciy to get the goal though as COC wasn't competing for the ball when he impeded the Tyrone goalkeeper. It wasn't a square ball though as you simply need to be outside the square when it's kicked and COC was I think.
Which shot though? The one McLoughlin which hit the post hit he was standing in the square the whole time. I thought it was square ball but not 100% sure to be honest.
Never a black for O'Shea ridiculous decision.
Sorry yes, he was for that one alright. Was McLoughlin also in the square when he shot and would that make a difference?
Good to see that both the ref and 2 umpires either
a) can't follow play properly
b) don't understand the rules
Or both.
That Mayo forward line is just awful. Some of the shooting and decisions to shoot are shocking.
Quote from: tyroneman on February 08, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
Good to see that both the ref and 2 umpires either
a) can't follow play properly
b) don't understand the rules
Or both.
Don't be letting Marty Duffy off the hook either. He his only a linesman today, but what a linesman!
May's forward play is awful. Dominant at midfied, but no leadership from anyone up front. Shocking amount of wides in the 2nd half
Quote from: muppet on February 08, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 08, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
Good to see that both the ref and 2 umpires either
a) can't follow play properly
b) don't understand the rules
Or both.
Don't be letting Marty Duffy off the hook either. He his only a linesman today, but what a linesman!
Do Mayo train with bigger nets Muppet? Shocking shooting!
Quote from: dublin7 on February 08, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
May's forward play is awful. Dominant at midfied, but no leadership from anyone up front. Shocking amount of wides in the 2nd half
I wouldn't mind but, despite 12 men back all the time, it is the most porous blanket I've ever seen.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 08, 2015, 09:03:29 AM
RHS, do you enjoying watching Tyrone play these days? Even when they win, to me it's not an enjoyable experience any more for me. Their style of play and lack of leaders and fight within the team is demoralising to watch. Harte in my eyes seems to make a lot if wrong calls the last few years and has undermined a lot of players confidence.
Of course the players have to shoulder some responsibility but I don't see much personal abuse being thrown at Harte bar his stubbornness.
The Petey Harte nephew argument is ridiculous to me. Yes Petey has struggled in previous years to play to his potential but part of that is Mickey can't decide where to play him.
To me one of our biggest positives Sean Cav at FF who could hold the key to a winning formula is becoming one of our biggest negatives. We can all see his potential in there but why oh why can't Mickey get him to learn to become a team player. If we could get Sean to play a Star role where we can kick long fast ball into him and we have players like McCurry, McAliskey, RON, PJ and Hughes timing their runs KNOWING that Sean will release it fast and accurate into their path then we suddenly have a very different attacking system. Count today how many times Sean loses possession with possible easy passes on around him. Players soon get fed up when they know the pass won't come so they then stop making those runs. McCurry especially could be one hell of a player if only he had a target man with fast hands but more importantly fast thinking head.
Sorry, I forgot myself there. Its a game all about stopping the other team. So maybe Sean as a third sweeper is best.
I hope they play well today and win but I fear more crab football and slow attacks from the back.
Fuzz-The Tyrone version of tonefirstandlast
Quote from: CD on February 08, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 08, 2015, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 08, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
Good to see that both the ref and 2 umpires either
a) can't follow play properly
b) don't understand the rules
Or both.
Don't be letting Marty Duffy off the hook either. He his only a linesman today, but what a linesman!
Do Mayo train with bigger nets Muppet? Shocking shooting!
In fairness the U-8s I see every week is better than this.
Awful stuff.
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2015, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 06, 2015, 09:07:35 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 06, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Just a point out! 😀
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
Template for beating Mayo there. Make us shoot from 30 yds plus.
The only plus was Kevin Keane, again, and a maybe few others beginning to come back.
God Davy Harte is hard to listen to. If our problem was merely big-heads because of last week, it would be easily fixed, even at half time.
I couldn't figure out on the TV where exactly Hall played, why Freeman didn't get a ball and where Durcan came on (RHF?). Anyone at the game able to clarify?
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
Yeah, ultra negative and terrible to watch. A good lesson for Mayo today! And a good lesson to learn in February. H&C out witted today on the sideline and preparation. A lot of our players look off the pace mentally yet.
What a difference a week makes. "Micky the maestro" is back with his hungry hyenas. At the end of the day there is no substitute for a bit of passion. Hope Tyrone push on and try and make the most out of the league, would be a great confidence booster going into the championship especially for the new lads.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
So that's the choice, we either like that rubbish or turn if off? We can't watch it and comment that it isn't good to view? And your telling me Tyrone were guaranteed to lose heavily unless they got all 15 players behind the ball from first minute to last? I could understand Waterford doing it in a do or die championship game against Mayo but Tyrone doing it in the second game of the league against an understrength Mayo? That suggests Tyrone have no faith in themselves and few will look forward to watching them which is a shame as they were often brilliant to watch and they still have some excellent players. Mickey is out of ideas it seems and it's a case of avoiding hammerings rather than going out to win games.
It's bad news when three lads can't call a square ball. Simple rules can not be followed. He was in the square since Easter of last year.
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
So that's the choice, we either like that rubbish or turn if off? We can't watch it and comment that it isn't good to view? And your telling me Tyrone were guaranteed to lose heavily unless they got all 15 players behind the ball from first minute to last? I could understand Waterford doing it in a do or die championship game against Mayo but Tyrone doing it in the second game of the league against an understrength Mayo? That suggests Tyrone have no faith in themselves and few will look forward to watching them which is a shame as they were often brilliant to watch and they still have some excellent players. Mickey is out of ideas it seems and it's a case of avoiding hammerings rather than going out to win games.
In fairness it's about steadying the ship for Tyrone. Plus the bonus of getting league points on the board. From a Mayo perspective today's game was a far better challenge than last weeks game v Kerry. Management (hopefully) should learn and be fore warned of what is in front of them.
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
So that's the choice, we either like that rubbish or turn if off? We can't watch it and comment that it isn't good to view? And your telling me Tyrone were guaranteed to lose heavily unless they got all 15 players behind the ball from first minute to last? I could understand Waterford doing it in a do or die championship game against Mayo but Tyrone doing it in the second game of the league against an understrength Mayo? That suggests Tyrone have no faith in themselves and few will look forward to watching them which is a shame as they were often brilliant to watch and they still have some excellent players. Mickey is out of ideas it seems and it's a case of avoiding hammerings rather than going out to win games.
Mayo lost today to a 'have a shot from wherever you like - because you'll miss' defence, not because of a functioning blanket defence.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 08, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
It's bad news when three lads can't call a square ball. Simple rules can not be followed. He was in the square since Easter of last year.
In fairness it would have been a great call to make in real time. Made the game a bit of a game and luckily did not influence the result!
Struggling to remember a 70 minute performance as bad as that in recent times from Mayo......up in Donegal a few years ago maybe.
Shooting
Handling
Decision making
Tactics
Wow.
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
So that's the choice, we either like that rubbish or turn if off? We can't watch it and comment that it isn't good to view? And your telling me Tyrone were guaranteed to lose heavily unless they got all 15 players behind the ball from first minute to last? I could understand Waterford doing it in a do or die championship game against Mayo but Tyrone doing it in the second game of the league against an understrength Mayo? That suggests Tyrone have no faith in themselves and few will look forward to watching them which is a shame as they were often brilliant to watch and they still have some excellent players. Mickey is out of ideas it seems and it's a case of avoiding hammerings rather than going out to win games.
Out of interest, what county do you support Zulu? What's their current style of play? Do you prefer they win or go all out attack? Tyrone played the second half in relatively defensive mode. More so than I would ideally like but the pretty obvious tactic is that if you put that Mayo forward line under any pressure, they crumble, so going full on attack would gave them space that they might thrive in. Getting bodies around them and putting them under pressure then catch them on the break worked a treat - we got the much needed win. It's horses for courses. It may only be they second league game but you must be aware, even reading a few of the pages on here ver the past 7 days, how much pressure Mickey is under to produce results. After last weekends capitulation, this was more than just the second league game. Mayo fans earlier in the week were rightly lauding this team selection as the team that won in Killarney, now they are the second string - give me a break. My suggestion to switch off was tongue in cheek, but i can't imagine you were expecting a free flowing game, in fact it probably delights some that it wasn't so they could get onto their keyboards and complain. By the way, that black card rule is a joke. ;)
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Struggling to remember a 70 minute performance as bad as that in recent times from Mayo......up in Donegal a few years ago maybe.
Shooting
Handling
Decision making
Tactics
Wow.
We were choked! A bad day at the office. But a good lesson in early February!
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Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
After last weekend, the team couldn't afford a heavy defeat today. This was all about steadying the ship, so job done. If the neutrals don't like it they can watch Newcastle v Stoke.
So that's the choice, we either like that rubbish or turn if off? We can't watch it and comment that it isn't good to view? And your telling me Tyrone were guaranteed to lose heavily unless they got all 15 players behind the ball from first minute to last? I could understand Waterford doing it in a do or die championship game against Mayo but Tyrone doing it in the second game of the league against an understrength Mayo? That suggests Tyrone have no faith in themselves and few will look forward to watching them which is a shame as they were often brilliant to watch and they still have some excellent players. Mickey is out of ideas it seems and it's a case of avoiding hammerings rather than going out to win games.
Out of interest, what county do you support Zulu? What's their current style of play? Do you prefer they win or go all out attack? Tyrone played the second half in relatively defensive mode. More so than I would ideally like but the pretty obvious tactic is that if you put that Mayo forward line under any pressure, they crumble, so going full on attack would gave them space that they might thrive in. Getting bodies around them and putting them under pressure then catch them on the break worked a treat - we got the much needed win. It's horses for courses. It may only be they second league game but you must be aware, even reading a few of the pages on here ver the past 7 days, how much pressure Mickey is under to produce results. After last weekends capitulation, this was more than just the second league game. Mayo fans earlier in the week were rightly lauding this team selection as the team that won in Killarney, now they are the second string - give me a break. My suggestion to switch off was tongue in cheek, but i can't imagine you were expecting a free flowing game, in fact it probably delights some that it wasn't so they could get onto their keyboards and complain. By the way, that black card rule is a joke. ;)
Post them up. Name and shame.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
"Mayo fans earlier in the week were rightly lauding this team selection"He merely said Mayo weren't taking the piss with that team. Hardly lauding.
That would be a black card Benny for illegally taking out the man. ;D
Tyrone deserving winners. Holmes and Connelly have not a notion between them , either sack them in the morning or keep diggin the hole. How you could not prepare for a blanket for a Tyrone game is beyond stupidity .
To lose so comprehensively to what I suspect is an average at best side isn't great. But for the goal the second half was a wasteland of ball and missed chances for Mayo. Far too easy for Tyrone to cut through the Mayo defence too.
The call on AOS was totally mad too and it effected the game, but Tyrone were already coasting.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
"Mayo fans earlier in the week were rightly lauding this team selection"
He merely said Mayo weren't taking the piss with that team. Hardly lauding.
That would be a black card Benny for illegally taking out the man. ;D
Ha, it probably is a black card offence these days, but who knows. "Lauding" may have been a bit strong a word to use. Perhaps I should have said "content". But the point is, they were good enough to win in Killarney (as Miles pointed out ;D) so they werent deemed massively understrenght pre throw in.
Not the time to panic. Todays game doesnt mean much long term but slightly worrying our lack of tactical appreciation of what Tyrone would bring. We need to learn that Donie Vaughan is not a Midfielder and play a Natural Midfielder in there. Stephen Coen no matter how many chances he is given will never have the pace for Intercounty Football, let him play with the U21's. Kevin Keane is a winter footballer and also lacks the necessary speed to deal with top FF's in Championship football.
Would like to see a Centre Back who will hold the Centre with a physical presence maybe SOS.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
Actually not a bit surprised by the result today. As you may remember I called it an FBD selection. But I welcomed the chances being given to new lads and Hall, O Connor and Durcan when he came in played well. The trouble set in from experienced players. Vaughan set off the wides rot early. Once Tyrone got their noses in front set up like that there was only going to be one winner.
Miles was me referring to yer own Sráth Bán.
Decent win today. Well done all.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
Actually not a bit surprised by the result today. As you may remember I called it an FBD selection. But I welcomed the chances being given to new lads and Hall, O Connor and Durcan when he came in played well. The trouble set in from experienced players. Vaughan set off the wides rot early. Once Tyrone got their noses in front set up like that there was only going to be one winner.
Miles was me referring to yer own Sráth Bán.
Agreed. And the old bugbear of a reliable right-sided free taker added to that rot. It eats away at the shooting confidence.
That was bloody awful. Our older players need to step it up. All our forwards were terrible. Vaughan was like a headless chicken in midfield. Aido should know better, why the constant need to solo is beyond me... Fair dues to Tyrone though, we couldn't break them down.
Tyrone love playing Mayo in league how many wins now?
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Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
Yeah, ultra negative and terrible to watch. A good lesson for Mayo today! And a good lesson to learn in February. H&C out witted today on the sideline and preparation. A lot of our players look off the pace mentally yet.
Surely this is the most worrying thing. They had all week to prepare and select for this.
Saying that we created plenty of chances.
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Mayo have had so terrible shooting but Tyrone have been ultra negative with the number of players back and won't be pleasant viewing for the neutral this year if that's the path they are going down. Poor enough game today.
Yeah, ultra negative and terrible to watch. A good lesson for Mayo today! And a good lesson to learn in February. H&C out witted today on the sideline and preparation. A lot of our players look off the pace mentally yet.
To be fair to H&C they can't be blamed for the volume of missed goal chances and the wides.
Surely this is the most worrying thing. They had all week to prepare and select for this.
Saying that we created plenty of chances.
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Tyrone love playing Mayo in league how many wins now?
That's 3 in a row I think and the worst defeat by far. The honeymoon over for H&C.
Massive crowd today and 95% Mayo. Most very unhappy watching us get bullied like that. Don t want to be too critical but how in the name of Christ can you send out a team without a player that can have a stab at a 45. 0/3 attempts. Last one was kicked backwards on a calm day. There was a lot of muttering about Johnno Mahoney where I was sitting - and I swear it wasn t me ;D
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Tyrone love playing Mayo in league how many wins now?
That's 3 in a row I think and the worst defeat by far. The honeymoon over for H&C.
Massive crowd today and 95% Mayo. Most very unhappy watching us get bullied like that. Don t want to be too critical but how in the name of Christ can you send out a team without a player that can have a stab at a 45. 0/3 attempts. Last one was kicked backwards on a calm day. There was a lot of muttering about Johnno Mahoney where I was sitting - and I swear it wasn t me ;D
I thought COC put one over? Maybe someone in TG4 played an old replay out of sympathy for us TV viewers.
Decent result today,takes the pressure off Mickey for another while.
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Tyrone love playing Mayo in league how many wins now?
That's 3 in a row I think and the worst defeat by far. The honeymoon over for H&C.
Massive crowd today and 95% Mayo. Most very unhappy watching us get bullied like that. Don t want to be too critical but how in the name of Christ can you send out a team without a player that can have a stab at a 45. 0/3 attempts. Last one was kicked backwards on a calm day. There was a lot of muttering about Johnno Mahoney where I was sitting - and I swear it wasn t me ;D
I thought COC put one over? Maybe someone in TG4 played an old replay out of sympathy for us TV viewers.
That was the 4th one so. I d got a brain freeze by then.
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That was bloody awful. Our older players need to step it up. All our forwards were terrible. Vaughan was like a headless chicken in midfield. Aido should know better, why the constant need to solo is beyond me... Fair dues to Tyrone though, we couldn't break them down.
Magnanimous Farrandeelin, fair dues.
Beauty is surely in the eye of the beholder, and after our catastrophic collapse against Monaghan I could easily discern a certain beauty about how we successfully thwarted those Mayo designs on scoring; I can appreciate, however, that the neutral will not have been similarly enamoured of such a defensive strategy.
Right now, I really couldn't care less about the optics or aesthetics, or lack thereof, as you might understand.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
Actually not a bit surprised by the result today. As you may remember I called it an FBD selection. But I welcomed the chances being given to new lads and Hall, O Connor and Durcan when he came in played well. The trouble set in from experienced players. Vaughan set off the wides rot early. Once Tyrone got their noses in front set up like that there was only going to be one winner.
Miles was me referring to yer own Sráth Bán.
Similar performance from Mayo today as against us in FBD. With two points gained from Kerry away and still three home games to play ye should still stroll into the semi finals.
Well that was shocking stuff. Some of the Mayo posters on here saying lessons will be learned but they wont be learned and anyways it was hardly a surprise to see Tyrone putting up a blanket.Why we persisted with short kickouts and running the ball il never know.Mayo badly need a plan b.The obvious one would be a target man ff and if its not Freeman then someone else needs to tried.The top teams know that Mayo struggle big time against the packed defence so we need to adapt and fast.Our running game is brilliant when going well but we need to vary it because bar Dublin every team we meet in the championship is going to put up a blanket against us.Managment done themselves no favours either today i mean can they not see that running the ball is not working.A lot of supporters myself included were not happy with their appointment and today has only strengthened that view.
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1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Michael Hall - Breaffy
3. Kevin Keane - Westport
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis (Capt.)
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
10.Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
11.Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
12.Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13.Michael Conroy - Davitts
14.Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15.Mark Ronaldson - Shrule/Glencorrib
Holy feck! ;)
Are you fancying it a bit more now Sráth Bán? ;)
Mayo are taking the piss with that team! Tyrone by 5! 😃
Why? Similar to Killarney team as Miles pointed out.
I don't know who Miles is but Moysider was happy enough.
Actually not a bit surprised by the result today. As you may remember I called it an FBD selection. But I welcomed the chances being given to new lads and Hall, O Connor and Durcan when he came in played well. The trouble set in from experienced players. Vaughan set off the wides rot early. Once Tyrone got their noses in front set up like that there was only going to be one winner.
Miles was me referring to yer own Sráth Bán.
Similar performance from Mayo today as against us in FBD. With two points gained from Kerry away and still three home games to play ye should still stroll into the semi finals.
More likely we ll struggle to survive. We struggle against defensive teams and with Monaghan and Donegal at home more of today s pain may have to be endured. Then there s The Dubs visiting as well. That s hardly a gimmie either. The away games are Derry and Cork.
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Well that was shocking stuff. Some of the Mayo posters on here saying lessons will be learned but they wont be learned and anyways it was hardly a surprise to see Tyrone putting up a blanket.Why we persisted with short kickouts and running the ball il never know.Mayo badly need a plan b.The obvious one would be a target man ff and if its not Freeman then someone else needs to tried.The top teams know that Mayo struggle big time against the packed defence so we need to adapt and fast.Our running game is brilliant when going well but we need to vary it because bar Dublin every team we meet in the championship is going to put up a blanket against us.Managment done themselves no favours either today i mean can they not see that running the ball is not working.A lot of supporters myself included were not happy with their appointment and today has only strengthened that view.
I had no problem with the short kickouts myself. Mostly we carried the ball well enough. And we created plenty of chances - including 2 goal chances - but our shooting was muck. I still think if we had taken our early chances we would have won with a bit to spare. As it worked out they could sit back and pick us off.
It would have been a waste of time kicking the ball. Maybe a Donaghy, O Gara and Michael Murphy might challenge Justin McMahon but Alan Freeman wouldn t if he was there yet.
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Well that was shocking stuff. Some of the Mayo posters on here saying lessons will be learned but they wont be learned and anyways it was hardly a surprise to see Tyrone putting up a blanket.Why we persisted with short kickouts and running the ball il never know.Mayo badly need a plan b.The obvious one would be a target man ff and if its not Freeman then someone else needs to tried.The top teams know that Mayo struggle big time against the packed defence so we need to adapt and fast.Our running game is brilliant when going well but we need to vary it because bar Dublin every team we meet in the championship is going to put up a blanket against us.Managment done themselves no favours either today i mean can they not see that running the ball is not working.A lot of supporters myself included were not happy with their appointment and today has only strengthened that view.
I had no problem with the short kickouts myself. Mostly we carried the ball well enough. And we created plenty of chances - including 2 goal chances - but our shooting was muck. I still think if we had taken our early chances we would have won with a bit to spare. As it worked out they could sit back and pick us off.
It would have been a waste of time kicking the ball. Maybe a Donaghy, O Gara and Michael Murphy might challenge Justin McMahon but Alan Freeman wouldn t if he was there yet.
Someone else needs to be tried at full forward or play an extra defender and go with a 2 man ff line.Theres lots of problems that need addressing Moysider and i dont have much faith in the management to address them
For what its worth neither do I.
Continuing with Freeman in most circumstances is a luxury we cannot afford after seeing these last couple of games. Probably time to move on. The reality is we don t have anybody to do the big target man thing. An aggressive dog like O Gara ( I mean that as a compliment btw) would do but there isn t one. But there are other ways.
Our running game today did create chances but we need to get the right guys pulling the trigger and not likes of Vaughan. That can be worked on. It didn t happpen by accident that Oisín McConville did most of the shooting for Cross. That was the plan. If fit Jason Gibbons a better midfield option than Vaughan.
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For what its worth neither do I.
Continuing with Freeman in most circumstances is a luxury we cannot afford after seeing these last couple of games. Probably time to move on. The reality is we don t have anybody to do the big target man thing. An aggressive dog like O Gara ( I mean that as a compliment btw) would do but there isn t one. But there are other ways.
Our running game today did create chances but we need to get the right guys pulling the trigger and not likes of Vaughan. That can be worked on. It didn t happpen by accident that Oisín McConville did most of the shooting for Cross. That was the plan. If fit Jason Gibbons a better midfield option than Vaughan.
Personally id have Parsons with Seamus but then we get back to what to do with Vaughan.Hes too good not to start do we name him ff in place of Freeman and go with 2 inside and have an extra defender and runner from deep????????
I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
Surely O'Shea's on Morgan could only be deemed as either an accident (no sanction) or dangerous play (yellow card). Can anyone explain why a black card was shown?
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I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
I thought Keane did well too looks to be a real option at 3
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I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
I thought Keane did well too looks to be a real option at 3
Hopefully.
He has looked good at times in the past as well.
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I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
I thought Keane did well too looks to be a real option at 3
I think it's too early to be lauding Keane and Hall as being capable for this level. Especially on today's game. Most of the time neither had anyone to mark because of the the blanket defense. I think both their cards should be marked diferently - Keane against the likes of Donaghy, O'Gara or Murphy. Mark Hall against the likes of a near the top Dublin corner fw e.g. McMenamon, Brogan, McBrearty etc.
Durcan - yes - he does look a viable option but again wait until he has to mark say Paul Flynn, Donochadh Walsh or if you like check him out against Connolly. He is the yardstick for a 1/2 back
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Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 07:29:40 PM
I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
I thought Keane did well too looks to be a real option at 3
I think it's too early to be lauding Keane and Hall as being capable for this level. Especially on today's game. Most of the time neither had anyone to mark because of the the blanket defense. I think both their cards should be marked diferently - Keane against the likes of Donaghy, O'Gara or Murphy. Mark Hall against the likes of a near the top Dublin corner fw e.g. McMenamon, Brogan, McBrearty etc.
Durcan - yes - he does look a viable option but again wait until he has to mark say Paul Flynn, Donochadh Walsh or if you like check him out against Connolly. He is the yardstick for a 1/2 back
Hall is 19/20 and has quality. I think he s a wing back anyway and will be interesting to see can he play cb. Durcan can play too.
Keane is mid 20s now and the issue here is pace and summer pitches.
Missed the Pateen interview after game on midwest radio.I m told he said he had never come across this ultra negative set up before!
It seems management hadn t prepared for this!! If this is true, all I can say is 'Oh dear'
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Quote from: Nihilist on February 08, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 07:29:40 PM
I would most of the time anyway.
Wouldn t overcome the problerm of the blanket in itself though. Our biggest problem today was converting fairy easy chances from play and dead balls. Tyrone would have seen us run through Kerry last week and were not going to let us walk through them.
The squeezed us like they did in AI semi in 2013 and we squealed again today. But we had chances today.
A few positives over the 2 games. Both Hall and Durcan look at home at this level.
I thought Keane did well too looks to be a real option at 3
I think it's too early to be lauding Keane and Hall as being capable for this level. Especially on today's game. Most of the time neither had anyone to mark because of the the blanket defense. I think both their cards should be marked diferently - Keane against the likes of Donaghy, O'Gara or Murphy. Mark Hall against the likes of a near the top Dublin corner fw e.g. McMenamon, Brogan, McBrearty etc.
Durcan - yes - he does look a viable option but again wait until he has to mark say Paul Flynn, Donochadh Walsh or if you like check him out against Connolly. He is the yardstick for a 1/2 back
Hall is 19/20 and has quality. I think he s a wing back anyway and will be interesting to see can he play cb. Durcan can play too.
Keane is mid 20s now and the issue here is pace and summer pitches.
Missed the Pateen interview after game on midwest radio.I m told he said he had never come across this ultra negative set up before!
It seems management hadn t prepared for this!! If this is true, all I can say is 'Oh dear'
Very worrying.Mickey Harte is a master tactician but he done nothing new or out of the ordinary today.The next few weeks will be interesting thats for sure
" oh dear "
Well its either they are playing the clever thick or they are thick.
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 08, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
Surely O'Shea's on Morgan could only be deemed as either an accident (no sanction) or dangerous play (yellow card). Can anyone explain why a black card was shown?
Marty Duffy was linesman.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
Well said Farr lessons are not being learned and we keep makng the same mistakes over and over again
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Very worrying.Mickey Harte is a master tactician but he done nothing new or out of the ordinary today.The next few weeks will be interesting thats for sure
Tyrone did to us today what they did in the AI semi final in 2013. Two screaming points from Chris Barrett from nowhere, got us back into that game and put doubt into Tyrone minds as to their tactics would work. So to say this was a surprise tactic today after Tyrones game last week, is going into the game with blinkers. Anyway, I do understand that players have to be looked at, players have to be rested, it's not about starting your strongest team at this time of the year. But we were rightly choked today and looked all over the place in dealing with the situation.
Let's face it.
Beaten at home by Ros in the FBD.
Beat a very makeshift Kerry team.
Well beaten at home by Tyrone.
Things would want to show signs of improvement within a couple of games.
To be fair in 2013 Mayo and Tyrone were operating on different levels - Mayo destroying everyone in their path, Tyrone struggling over everyone but Offaly. It always felt like Tyrone would need to play a perfect game to even have a chance of winning. The second half of that game was a procession.
Difference now is more Mayo falling down to Tyrone's level, who themselves hardly had a powerhouse 2014. Only the early part of the league but C&H don't have a long leash with what they're following. Connacht might be interesting this year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
Yea it's only February! Game two of the season. I'm not counting FBD, because the team representing us in that competition is only a shadow of the one that will represent us come Championship. There was a lot of experimenting in today's selection (and last weeks). Even many of our regulars are playing out of position. This (even in the strongest of teams) upsets balance. When we beat Kerry last week, I thought nothing more of it than 2 points. And this week losing to Tyrone is just a big fat Duck egg! If you asked me which game we learned more from (and you'd hope the Management learned more from) it was today's game.
Last year Derry finished their League Campaign pulling up and look how their Championship petered out!
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 08:35:17 PM
To be fair in 2013 Mayo and Tyrone were operating on different levels - Mayo destroying everyone in their path, Tyrone struggling over everyone but Offaly. It always felt like Tyrone would need to play a perfect game to even have a chance of winning. The second half of that game was a procession.
Difference now is more Mayo falling down to Tyrone's level, who themselves hardly had a powerhouse 2014. Only the early part of the league but C&H don't have a long leash with what they're following. Connacht might be interesting this year.
We have been telling you for a while now Syf but you and the rest of your brigade think it's a bit of silly beggars but it's not , Roscommon will play Galway in the connacht final this year. Nothing surer.
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
Today we scored a total of 1-07. At home.
Yes it is the League and yes I know to all the usual caveats and cliches.
But can anyone remember the last time we scored as little as that against anyone? Only Limerick & The Diese scored less this weekend and they were both away from home.
Quote from: muppet on February 08, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
Today we scored a total of 1-07. At home.
Yes it is the League and yes I know to all the usual caveats and cliches.
But can anyone remember the last time we scored as little as that against anyone? Only Limerick & The Diese scored less this weekend and they were both away from home.
And the goal was a square ball! :-\
We won a Connacht final scoring 1-5 back in 1993 in Hyde Park?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
There was a lot of experimenting in today's selection (and last weeks).
I m not sure any team we selected would have done any better against that system because we know now that they were not prepared for it properly.
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If you asked me which game we learned more from (and you'd hope the Management learned more from) it was today's game.
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I ve my doubts we ll learn anything from it. If we meet Tyrone later in the year it ll be more of the same. Jaysus, Tyrone did nothing new today. Who did they think was coming to town. Mary Poppins?
But at the same time I see what you re saying.
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
Depends on the alternatives. Obviously Andy Moran will take it but there should be a different guy who might stand up. Someone younger is needed. Someone with nothing to lose. You'd imagine in a county the size of Mayo with the amount of clubs there are that there would be one big guy out there. Up to now though you had to be playing at minor or U21 level to be even considered nearly for Senior. I think it's time to look out side the box.
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
The lack of an alternative is keeping him there
Quote from: muppet on February 08, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
Today we scored a total of 1-07. At home.
Yes it is the League and yes I know to all the usual caveats and cliches.
But can anyone remember the last time we scored as little as that against anyone? Only Limerick & The Diese scored less this weekend and they were both away from home.
Same total in Ballyshannon 3 leagues ago. Worse than today. They had 14 men for an hour of that :o
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
The lack of an alternative is keeping him there
Could Corduff do a job here? Dont know an awful lot about the lad to be honest but he has the size for it
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
The lack of an alternative is keeping him there
I d say that s part of it but today could be the end of the line for him - as an inside target man anyway. Maybe he can be reinvented someplace else.
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
The lack of an alternative is keeping him there
Danny Kirby got injured at a bad time.
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
There was a lot of experimenting in today's selection (and last weeks).
I m not sure any team we selected would have done any better against that system because we know now that they were not prepared for it properly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
If you asked me which game we learned more from (and you'd hope the Management learned more from) it was today's game.
I ve my doubts we ll learn anything from it. If we meet Tyrone later in the year it ll be more of the same. Jaysus, Tyrone did nothing new today. Who did they think was coming to town. Mary Poppins?
But at the same time I see what you re saying.
When I say learned, I don't mean they learned how to deal with the situation that arose. More so that they learned this can happen, will more than likely will happen and there is time to devise a system to deal with it.
Last weeks win over Kerry was good for morale and nice to put points on the table, but in the scheme of things was a dead rubber otherwise.
Great result for us today, aesthetics can wait to another day!
Some immense performances out there. Personally thought Cathal McCarron had a stormer and Peter Hughes got through some amount of work.
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Quote from: mayoman dan on February 08, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 08, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
How long do you give freeman in the 14 jersey? One more shot, two more , the whole league campaign ?
The lack of an alternative is keeping him there
Could Corduff do a job here? Dont know an awful lot about the lad to be honest but he has the size for it
Justin McMahon would love to see him or any other giant we could wheel out coming. Remember him or the brother put Donaghy in his box in 08. We can t handle any big ff (remember the scrios caused by Derry's McGuickin last year in McHale Park) but other counties can. Other counties fear skill and pace rather than size. We just don t have a big 14 that can play and until one emerges we should find another way.
Any betting on how many pages we'll get here especially with 2 blank weekends coming up :-[
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 08, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
We missed Chris Barrett's tenacity at the back.
If that's true moy, regarding management's 'mishandling of the situation' then I do despair.
From the Bunker, I love your 'learning' in February-type mindset, yet how come we have to learn every February? I said before some of the older players, McL, AOS, Vaughan etc need to stand up and start doing stuff on the field. Otherwise it could be a painful year for us. I wonder how many of the forwards spend time taking frees apart from Cillian?
There was a lot of experimenting in today's selection (and last weeks).
I m not sure any team we selected would have done any better against that system because we know now that they were not prepared for it properly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
If you asked me which game we learned more from (and you'd hope the Management learned more from) it was today's game.
I ve my doubts we ll learn anything from it. If we meet Tyrone later in the year it ll be more of the same. Jaysus, Tyrone did nothing new today. Who did they think was coming to town. Mary Poppins?
But at the same time I see what you re saying.
When I say learned, I don't mean they learned how to deal with the situation that arose. More so that they learned this can happen, will more than likely will happen and there is time to devise a system to deal with it.
Last weeks win over Kerry was good for morale and nice to put points on the table, but in the scheme of things was a dead rubber otherwise.
Pateen had time to come up with a strategy for Diarmuid Connolly last year too. Didn t look like much thought was put into it. Look we all know what time of management we got. Leopards don t change their spots. Pat is not going to turn into a master tactician at this stage.
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
Justin McMahon would love to see him or any other giant we could wheel out coming. Remember him or the brother put Donaghy in his box in 08. We can t handle any big ff (remember the scrios caused by Derry's McGuickin last year in McHale Park) but other counties can. Other counties fear skill and pace rather than size. We just don t have a big 14 that can play and until one emerges we should find another way.
All the top 4/5 counties have both options.
Kerry have donaghy Walsh along with O'Donogue (height and pace)
Dublin - O'Gara along with a myriad of forwards
Donegal - Murphy.McFadden along with Mcbrearty
Tyrone - Seán Cavanagh along with McCurry and Mattie Donnelly
Cork - plenty of guys
Both are needed to offer variation in a game when required. So Mayo probably need them too. Sweeney and Ronaldson won't cut it against the big guns when everyone much fitter and the hits much harder
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
Pateen had time to come up with a strategy for Diarmuid Connolly last year too. Didn t look like much thought was put into it. Look we all know what time of management we got. Leopards don t change their spots. Pat is not going to turn into a master tactician at this stage.
Out of curiosity how come you don't include Noel Connelly in the equation here? AFAIK it's a dual management role.
I blame Mayo for the blanket defence as their swarm attack shifted all play to the Tyrone half.
Quote from: Whishtup on February 08, 2015, 09:54:14 PM
I blame Mayo for the blanket defence as their swarm attack shifted all play to the Tyrone half.
Indeed, our swarm attack from our own kickouts pushed them into their own half before the ball was even placed. :D
Quote from: Nihilist on February 08, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
Justin McMahon would love to see him or any other giant we could wheel out coming. Remember him or the brother put Donaghy in his box in 08. We can t handle any big ff (remember the scrios caused by Derry's McGuickin last year in McHale Park) but other counties can. Other counties fear skill and pace rather than size. We just don t have a big 14 that can play and until one emerges we should find another way.
All the top 4/5 counties have both options.
Kerry have donaghy Walsh along with O'Donogue (height and pace)
Dublin - O'Gara along with a myriad of forwards
Donegal - Murphy.McFadden along with Mcbrearty
Tyrone - Seán Cavanagh along with McCurry and Mattie Donnelly
Cork - plenty of guys
Both are needed to offer variation in a game when required. So Mayo probably need them too. Sweeney and Ronaldson won't cut it against the big guns when everyone much fitter and the hits much harder
True and unfortunately neither will Freeman it looks like. Do you have a big lad in mind? I ve heard Byrne and Irwin mentioned but they might have their hands full at U21 yet.
Quote from: Nihilist on February 08, 2015, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
Pateen had time to come up with a strategy for Diarmuid Connolly last year too. Didn t look like much thought was put into it. Look we all know what time of management we got. Leopards don t change their spots. Pat is not going to turn into a master tactician at this stage.
Out of curiosity how come you don't include Noel Connelly in the equation here? AFAIK it's a dual management role.
Little bird told me that he s the man calling the shots. Probably easier sell to board members with Connelly on ticket because there wouldn t be great memories of Pat around from last time.
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on February 08, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
Justin McMahon would love to see him or any other giant we could wheel out coming. Remember him or the brother put Donaghy in his box in 08. We can t handle any big ff (remember the scrios caused by Derry's McGuickin last year in McHale Park) but other counties can. Other counties fear skill and pace rather than size. We just don t have a big 14 that can play and until one emerges we should find another way.
All the top 4/5 counties have both options.
Kerry have donaghy Walsh along with O'Donogue (height and pace)
Dublin - O'Gara along with a myriad of forwards
Donegal - Murphy.McFadden along with Mcbrearty
Tyrone - Seán Cavanagh along with McCurry and Mattie Donnelly
Cork - plenty of guys
Both are needed to offer variation in a game when required. So Mayo probably need them too. Sweeney and Ronaldson won't cut it against the big guns when everyone much fitter and the hits much harder
True and unfortunately neither will Freeman it looks like. Do you have a big lad in mind? I ve heard Byrne and Irwin mentioned but they might have their hands full at U21 yet.
I don't see any reason not to give Beirne and Irwin a run. I thought Diarmuid O'Connor was quiet today, but he came into the game more and more as it went on. Adam Gallagher worth another gallop or two as well.
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 10:05:28 PM
True and unfortunately neither will Freeman it looks like. Do you have a big lad in mind? I ve heard Byrne and Irwin mentioned but they might have their hands full at U21 yet.
No I don't have a solution but it should be investigated broader. I'm surprised that Pat (if he is calling the shots) hasn't tried out Barry Moran or Kirby at FF. They did play in that position for him at club. Personally I would move Freeman to the corner and start Cillian at FF to see how it goes.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on February 08, 2015, 10:14:33 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on February 08, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 08, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
Justin McMahon would love to see him or any other giant we could wheel out coming. Remember him or the brother put Donaghy in his box in 08. We can t handle any big ff (remember the scrios caused by Derry's McGuickin last year in McHale Park) but other counties can. Other counties fear skill and pace rather than size. We just don t have a big 14 that can play and until one emerges we should find another way.
All the top 4/5 counties have both options.
Kerry have donaghy Walsh along with O'Donogue (height and pace)
Dublin - O'Gara along with a myriad of forwards
Donegal - Murphy.McFadden along with Mcbrearty
Tyrone - Seán Cavanagh along with McCurry and Mattie Donnelly
Cork - plenty of guys
Both are needed to offer variation in a game when required. So Mayo probably need them too. Sweeney and Ronaldson won't cut it against the big guns when everyone much fitter and the hits much harder
True and unfortunately neither will Freeman it looks like. Do you have a big lad in mind? I ve heard Byrne and Irwin mentioned but they might have their hands full at U21 yet.
I don't see any reason not to give Beirne and Irwin a run. I thought Diarmuid O'Connor was quiet today, but he came into the game more and more as it went on. Adam Gallagher worth another gallop or two as well.
In a tactical game like today s even the old hands were like moths drawn into a flame. What chance does a fresher have?
I thought O Connor did ok. So did Hall but he didn t have to play as a corner back and Durcan well able too. A young fella thrown in to lead the attack against Justin McMahon is another proposition but maybe that's just me? Gallagher looked ill at ease in a relatively open game v Kerry but I m sure he ll get more time when his form returns. He was as well to give today a miss :'(
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
Has Mickey many more nephews?
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
There was a lot to be admired with what Tyrone played today. I saw Harte was getting grief but even without the goal he had a fine game. All the top performances were from Tyrone and its obvious they had a plan and of course we did not.
Justin McMahon was the man. McCarron was very good. McNabb. The system meant Matty Donnelly could do what he wanted and he did. Top player. McCurry was very efficient. Taking him off with 6/7 mins to go was a statement it seemed. Job done.
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
If Tyrone play with Cavanagh, McCurry, Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte up front and retreat the rest then it will do for me. Throw in McAliskey and hopefully Ronan O'Neill as alternatives to these 4 then our options up front are good enough to send 2 men back and hopefully pick teams off on the break. We just don't have the defenders to go toe to toe and anyway, I'm beginning to enjoy the blanket defence jibes again. Brings back nice memories.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2015, 12:10:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
If Tyrone play with Cavanagh, McCurry, Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte up front and retreat the rest then it will do for me. Throw in McAliskey and hopefully Ronan O'Neill as alternatives to these 4 then our options up front are good enough to send 2 men back and hopefully pick teams off on the break. We just don't have the defenders to go toe to toe and anyway, I'm beginning to enjoy the blanket defence jibes again. Brings back nice memories.
But Tyrone played with no one up front for a lot of the game.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2015, 12:10:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
If Tyrone play with Cavanagh, McCurry, Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte up front and retreat the rest then it will do for me. Throw in McAliskey and hopefully Ronan O'Neill as alternatives to these 4 then our options up front are good enough to send 2 men back and hopefully pick teams off on the break. We just don't have the defenders to go toe to toe and anyway, I'm beginning to enjoy the blanket defence jibes again. Brings back nice memories.
I wouldn t mind the jibes if I were you. But you ll find not many teams as silly as we are. The best cure for any team down on its luck is get to play Mayo. I d play Donnelly from back to front like today. Not sure what I d do with Cavanagh. I dunno. At least Keane did not buy his drop the shoulder shuffle. It s not much but at least one Mayoman did a bit of homework.
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2015, 12:10:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
If Tyrone play with Cavanagh, McCurry, Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte up front and retreat the rest then it will do for me. Throw in McAliskey and hopefully Ronan O'Neill as alternatives to these 4 then our options up front are good enough to send 2 men back and hopefully pick teams off on the break. We just don't have the defenders to go toe to toe and anyway, I'm beginning to enjoy the blanket defence jibes again. Brings back nice memories.
I wouldn t mind the jibes if I were you. But you ll find not many teams as silly as we are. The best cure for any team down on its luck is get to play Mayo. I d play Donnelly from back to front like today. Not sure what I d do with Cavanagh. I dunno. At least Keane did not buy his drop the shoulder shuffle. It s not much but at least one Mayoman did a bit of homework.
What stood out today was the Sean was just another player in that side, not the go-to man. I'd play him on the edge of the square and tell him to stay there. But he won't. He could have a Star Donaghy Indian Summer.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2015, 12:16:45 AM
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Not the type of football I like but Mickey did what was needed to steady the ship and rightly so.
Will this be a blueprint for the rest of the season?
Harte only scored that goal because he's the nephew. Sickening.
If Tyrone play with Cavanagh, McCurry, Matty Donnelly and Petey Harte up front and retreat the rest then it will do for me. Throw in McAliskey and hopefully Ronan O'Neill as alternatives to these 4 then our options up front are good enough to send 2 men back and hopefully pick teams off on the break. We just don't have the defenders to go toe to toe and anyway, I'm beginning to enjoy the blanket defence jibes again. Brings back nice memories.
But Tyrone played with no one up front for a lot of the game.
But still managed to score enough to win the game. I thought we were controlling the game rather comfortably today and not desperately defending a lead like we have done in the past. Yes, Mayo were poor enough but we never really looked in danger and picked them off at times for great scores by Donnelly, Harte and McCurry. If this is a developing blue print then I'd be happy enough.
I allow people to wallow in their own ignorance if they decide to do that. I have not a problem with that at all," said Harte.
"People can be as they will and think as they will. They have reason to believe and suggest that and let them have their substance for that. I happen to have a different perspective and I'll go with mine.
"Sometimes people give their very best and it does not work out, but life is like that too. Sometimes it is very black and white from people's perspectives and I have to allow people to be as ignorant of the facts as they want to be."
That is brilliant
One thing that is annoying me is the constant mistakes being made by officials - how is it that there are multiple officials (linesmen and umpires) yet they all fail to spot fouls. The Mayo goal was a square ball and there was also a foul on a Tyrone defender just after Morgan palmed it out. I remember Colm Cavanagh making a run 10 minutes into the second half and when he got by the 45 he was clearly fouled yet no free given. There was an even more blatant shove/push in the back of a Tyrone forward near the end too.
With Tyrone winning yesterday can we expect others to decide that defence is the best form of attack and can we assume that Tyrone will get blamed again for whatever term Spillane dreams up to describe a defensive formation ?.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2015, 08:27:14 AM
One thing that is annoying me is the constant mistakes being made by officials - how is it that there are multiple officials (linesmen and umpires) yet they all fail to spot fouls. The Mayo goal was a square ball and there was also a foul on a Tyrone defender just after Morgan palmed it out. I remember Colm Cavanagh making a run 10 minutes into the second half and when he got by the 45 he was clearly fouled yet no free given. There was an even more blatant shove/push in the back of a Tyrone forward near the end too.
Agree that the officiating just isn't good enough. You gave examples from a Tyrone perspective but there equally as many from a Mayo perspective that were very frustrating.
The main frustration from a Mayo point of view won't be the refereeing though, it will be the clueless nature of our play once we crossed the 45 yesterday. We couldn't find a way through Tyrone's defence and resorted to taking on pot-shots out of frustration.
You'd hope a lot of it was because that the game meant more to Tyrone, who had to put in a big response after their performance against Monaghan, whereas Mayo were happy enough after the win in Killarney.
The game in 3 weeks against Monaghan will tell a lot.
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Today we scored a total of 1-07. At home.
Yes it is the League and yes I know to all the usual caveats and cliches.
But can anyone remember the last time we scored as little as that against anyone? Only Limerick & The Diese scored less this weekend and they were both away from home.
And the goal was a square ball! :-\
We won a Connacht final scoring 1-5 back in 1993 in Hyde Park?
What a day that was, every score coming from a Knockmore man
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Quote from: From the Bunker on February 08, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 08, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
Today we scored a total of 1-07. At home.
Yes it is the League and yes I know to all the usual caveats and cliches.
But can anyone remember the last time we scored as little as that against anyone? Only Limerick & The Diese scored less this weekend and they were both away from home.
And the goal was a square ball! :-\
We won a Connacht final scoring 1-5 back in 1993 in Hyde Park?
What a day that was, every score coming from a Knockmore man
Typical, mean in every sense... ;)
On the reffing or lack thereof, absolutely terrible. How many times were frees slowed down, at one stage in the second half a tyrone lad kicked the ball 30 yards to the corner, he couldn't possibly have argued he was kicking it to a tyrone man because they were all inside their own 45.
Diarmuid O'C black card for a rugby tackle. No. 26 Tyrone black card for two pull downs inside 30 seconds, yellowed two mins later. Duffy calling a line ball when it was clearly inside from O'C again. COC being pulled round the place by McMahon, followed up by a shoulder to the chest, both booked. AOS, think he could have pulled out, surprised it wasn't a red but where do u get a black. Diarmuid again dragging out of Sean C.
If I could remember more Id put them down. Absolutely terrible.
On Mayo, you can't have three inside forwards who just don't move, really poor and even COC didn't change that, looking for long balls into the square. Shooting was the worst I've seen in a long time.
When Kev Mc and Jason D don't preform we are a poor team and chasing the game yesterday we went back to leaving our full back isolated, both Zippy and Caff were hung out to dry.
As for Tyrone, great football people but that team yesterday was absolutely puke, no interest in football, we couldn't get around it so it's job done but I'd worry if that was the template for the year and Mickey can't get a talented group of players to play some football.
Matthew Donnelly is a serious baller. When you can play in any position basically sign of a great player.
Still remember him kicking the equaliser in the drawn minor final in 08 in injury time...
Congrats to Tyrone. Poor performance and result for Mayo though, shouldn't be getting beaten like that at home. That said, it's the first week of February and too early to over-react
On Freeman, his movement yesterday was slightly better than in Killarney but still very poor. I wouldn't dispense with him just yet as it's easier to coach a player to make decent runs than coaching a player to put the ball over the bar. He's on borrowed time though. The movement of the entire FF line needs to drastically improve and that's something that H&C need to work on. Some of the posters on here lambasting Freeman are the very ones who believe Horan lost us the All Ireland in 2013 by taking him off in that game, not sure how those views can be squared. :o
I think Vaughan will be better after another few games in the middle and on harder ground later in the year and I'd like to see him at either MF or HF – if we want to compete with the likes of Dublin, we need more mobility around there than we get from our other midfielders. I'd like to see Parsons back as well – is he injured or what??
We left massive gaps at the back while we piled forward trying to breakdown the blanket, worrying that nobody was left back to sweep.
It was good to see that we did better from our own kickouts yesterday although Tyrone's setup made that a no-brainer.
On the ref – never a black card, probably a yellow for reckless play would have been a harsh red. The penalty was a bad miss, there would have be war if it had changed the result.
I'd like to see COC played on the 40 for a few league games this year – I think he has the vision and passing ability to pull the strings if the FF line make the right kind of runs. I'd like to see him swapping in and out between FF and HF (with Andy / Freeman / AOS / AN Other) to mix up our play a little more.
Not sure about the fitness of all these players but I'd like to see something like this for the Monaghan game:
Clarke
Caff Keane Higgins
Durcan Barrett Hall
Barry Parsons
Vaughan COC Gallagher
Doc Freeman/ AN Other Sweeney
Watched that excuse for a football match yesterday and it was truly awful. Tyrone tactics were Donegalesque - 15 men behind the ball most of the time. All the fouls by Tyrone players and Aidan O'Shea got the black card for an exaggerated dive by Morgan. Mayo reverted to type also lateral passing, unwillingness to shoot until eventually O'Connor was sprung from the bench. It was clear for all to see that the 2 small fellas Ronadson and Conroy were not going to get any joy with the Tyrone quilt.
There was about 10 fouls in very passage of play from both teams. Some of the shooting was abysmal. Poor football all round.
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 09, 2015, 11:02:56 AM
Congrats to Tyrone Monaghan. Poor performance and result for Mayo Tyrone though, shouldn't be getting beaten like that at home. That said, it's the first week of February and too early to over-react
Could have done with you coming onto the Tyrone v Monaghan thread last week.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 09, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 09, 2015, 11:02:56 AM
Congrats to Tyrone Monaghan. Poor performance and result for Mayo Tyrone though, shouldn't be getting beaten like that at home. That said, it's the first week of February and too early to over-react
Could have done with you coming onto the Tyrone v Monaghan thread last week.
HA!
Quote from: Mano on February 09, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Watched that excuse for a football match yesterday and it was truly awful. Tyrone tactics were Donegalesque - 15 men behind the ball most of the time. All the fouls by Tyrone players and Aidan O'Shea got the black card for an exaggerated dive by Morgan. Mayo reverted to type also lateral passing, unwillingness to shoot until eventually O'Connor was sprung from the bench. It was clear for all to see that the 2 small fellas Ronadson and Conroy were not going to get any joy with the Tyrone quilt.
O'Shea should have got a straight red.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 09, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
There was about 10 fouls in very passage of play from both teams. Some of the shooting was abysmal. Poor football all round.
I agree, but in fairness to the ref the game is often beyond handling by the officials. Every challenge is a foul matched by overcharging, ever decision is disputed by everyone and every flashpoint has 10 lads from both teams charging in.
As for AOS, he was in the air before the ball left Morgan's hands. Tyrone players had previously handed him two similar soft interceptions. For those who don't know their physics he can't change direction in the air. If it was rugby even the French crowd wouldn't have looked for a penalty for that.
The O Shea incident is not a red card nor a black card, a yellow should have been the accurate penalty. I watched it a number of times last night and he was in the air trying to block down the ball, his natural momentum, and that of Morgan's momentum where both were going forward, resulted in o Shea hitting Morgan, there was no deliberate intent to hit Morgan.
Quote from: Man Marker on February 09, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
The O Shea incident is not a red card nor a black card, a yellow should have been the accurate penalty. I watched it a number of times last night and he was in the air trying to block down the ball, his natural momentum, and that of Morgan's momentum where both were going forward, resulted in o Shea hitting Morgan, there was no deliberate intent to hit Morgan.
I don't see why it's even a yellow in that case. A genuine attempt to intercept the ball and the two players collide.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mano on February 09, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Watched that excuse for a football match yesterday and it was truly awful. Tyrone tactics were Donegalesque - 15 men behind the ball most of the time. All the fouls by Tyrone players and Aidan O'Shea got the black card for an exaggerated dive by Morgan. Mayo reverted to type also lateral passing, unwillingness to shoot until eventually O'Connor was sprung from the bench. It was clear for all to see that the 2 small fellas Ronadson and Conroy were not going to get any joy with the Tyrone quilt.
O'Shea should have got a straight red.
Tyrone are going nowhere if that's how soft they've become
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 09, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
There was about 10 fouls in very passage of play from both teams. Some of the shooting was abysmal. Poor football all round.
I agree, but in fairness to the ref the game is often beyond handling by the officials. Every challenge is a foul matched by overcharging, ever decision is disputed by everyone and every flashpoint has 10 lads from both teams charging in.
As for AOS, he was in the air before the ball left Morgan's hands. Tyrone players had previously handed him two similar soft interceptions. For those who don't know their physics he can't change direction in the air. If it was rugby even the French crowd wouldn't have looked for a penalty for that.
Ah come on - people may not know their physics but if they know their football then they will know that Aiden O'Shea knew exactly what he was doing and followed through with force. This is another of those sneaky fouls like dragging someone down by their arm as they tackle you and when perfected can fool the referees and supporters alike. However, from my admittedly baffled understanding of the the black card rule - it wasn't a black card........Morgan wasn't taken out of the play a la the AI club final incident last year as he wasn't stopped from getting involved in the next phase of play. A yellow card would have sufficed in my opinion. The rules are becoming more and more untidy and frustrating to players, refs and supporters, it's becoming near on impossible to ref this sport in a consistent way.
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Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 09, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
There was about 10 fouls in very passage of play from both teams. Some of the shooting was abysmal. Poor football all round.
I agree, but in fairness to the ref the game is often beyond handling by the officials. Every challenge is a foul matched by overcharging, ever decision is disputed by everyone and every flashpoint has 10 lads from both teams charging in.
As for AOS, he was in the air before the ball left Morgan's hands. Tyrone players had previously handed him two similar soft interceptions. For those who don't know their physics he can't change direction in the air. If it was rugby even the French crowd wouldn't have looked for a penalty for that.
Ah come on - people may not know their physics but if they know their football then they will know that Aiden O'Shea knew exactly what he was doing and followed through with force. This is another of those sneaky fouls like dragging someone down by their arm as they tackle you and when perfected can fool the referees and supporters alike. However, from my admittedly baffled understanding of the the black card rule - it wasn't a black card........Morgan wasn't taken out of the play a la the AI club final incident last year as he wasn't stopped from getting involved in the next phase of play. A yellow card would have sufficed in my opinion. The rules are becoming more and more untidy and frustrating to players, refs and supporters, it's becoming near on impossible to ref this sport in a consistent way.
I would agree it is a foul. If you jump in anticipation of a handpass and land on the player with the ball it is careless, unless you think there was intent, in which case it is a yellow. I do believe he jumped for the ball though, remember he had just intercepted two handpasses before that. Once in the air he had no choice where to land. That is what I meant by the physics.
But I agree it is no black card, unless you are Marty Duffy.
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Quote from: muppet on February 09, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 09, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
There was about 10 fouls in very passage of play from both teams. Some of the shooting was abysmal. Poor football all round.
I agree, but in fairness to the ref the game is often beyond handling by the officials. Every challenge is a foul matched by overcharging, ever decision is disputed by everyone and every flashpoint has 10 lads from both teams charging in.
As for AOS, he was in the air before the ball left Morgan's hands. Tyrone players had previously handed him two similar soft interceptions. For those who don't know their physics he can't change direction in the air. If it was rugby even the French crowd wouldn't have looked for a penalty for that.
Ah come on - people may not know their physics but if they know their football then they will know that Aiden O'Shea knew exactly what he was doing and followed through with force. This is another of those sneaky fouls like dragging someone down by their arm as they tackle you and when perfected can fool the referees and supporters alike. However, from my admittedly baffled understanding of the the black card rule - it wasn't a black card........Morgan wasn't taken out of the play a la the AI club final incident last year as he wasn't stopped from getting involved in the next phase of play. A yellow card would have sufficed in my opinion. The rules are becoming more and more untidy and frustrating to players, refs and supporters, it's becoming near on impossible to ref this sport in a consistent way.
I would agree it is a foul. If you jump in anticipation of a handpass and land on the player with the ball it is careless, unless you think there was intent, in which case it is a yellow. I do believe he jumped for the ball though, remember he had just intercepted two handpasses before that. Once in the air he had no choice where to land. That is what I meant by the physics.
But I agree it is no black card, unless you are Marty Duffy.
I think the ref had it in his head the next bad tackle i'm sending him off.
The ref didn't even give a free FFS! It was only when AOS was holding off four tyrone lads that he went back to it!
The ref went back to it after the next Tyrone man was done, he knew he had to do something and someone was going to go.
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The ref went back to it after the next Tyrone man was done, he knew he had to do something and someone was going to go.
Ah, the 'he didn't see anything but knew he had to do something' rule.
In real time it looked accidental but when you see the replay and watch O'Shea's face and reaction its clear that he knew what he was at. What about the punch on Mattie Donnelly right in front of the referee? Couldn't believe that he basically ignored it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
In real time it looked accidental but when you see the replay and watch O'Shea's face and reaction its clear that he knew what he was at. What about the punch on Mattie Donnelly right in front of the referee? Couldn't believe that he basically ignored it.
Ah sure he was just going for the ball....like Nani the time 8)
Morgan
Pros - Good shot stopper and great striker of the ball
Cons - Shitehawks too much
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
In real time it looked accidental but when you see the replay and watch O'Shea's face and reaction its clear that he knew what he was at. What about the punch on Mattie Donnelly right in front of the referee? Couldn't believe that he basically ignored it.
In real time he jumped to block the handpass. That is why it looked accidental, it was.
After that he was committed and landed on the keeper. Morgan went down like he was shot. Hence the AOS reaction. Colm Cavanagh did a Donnacha Walsh dance and a swarm of Tyrone bees buzzed in from everywhere. Gaa referees seem to be particularly sensitive to swarms of arthropods and often go into state of shock, diminishing their capacity (yes it is possible) with the outcome being 'someone had to go'. This is often counter-productive with some referees, (i.e. anyone could get sent off for anything) but generally the swarm gets its way.
Any sign of Donie Buckley these days? Admittedly, I was limited to TG4 but I saw Holmes, Connelly and Collins but I didn't see Buckley in any of the huddles.
Quote from: muppet on February 09, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
In real time it looked accidental but when you see the replay and watch O'Shea's face and reaction its clear that he knew what he was at. What about the punch on Mattie Donnelly right in front of the referee? Couldn't believe that he basically ignored it.
In real time he jumped to block the handpass. That is why it looked accidental, it was.
After that he was committed and landed on the keeper. Morgan went down like he was shot. Hence the AOS reaction. Colm Cavanagh did a Donnacha Walsh dance and a swarm of Tyrone bees buzzed in from everywhere. Gaa referees seem to be particularly sensitive to swarms of arthropods and often go into state of shock, diminishing their capacity (yes it is possible) with the outcome being 'someone had to go'. This is often counter-productive with some referees, (i.e. anyone could get sent off for anything) but generally the swarm gets its way.
Don't see how you can see AOS as being committed and not see Morgan in the same light. He was running towards AOS's direction and released the ball and got clattered head on, don't really think he made a meal out of it at all.
I've not seen the incident yet so cannot comment but whilst reading all this and reading about in in the Irish News I couldn't help but think that Morgan is a very important player to Tyrone now like Cluxton is to Dublin.
He gets a lot of aggro from the crowd and so I would imagine if an opponent gets a chance to knock him off his stride "occidentally" then he will take that chance
Its like when Francie Bellew was coming at you and you waited til the last minute before releasing it then you knew Francie was gotta take his chance to nail you. Fair enuf
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 09, 2015, 04:05:52 PM
I've not seen the incident yet so cannot comment but whilst reading all this and reading about in in the Irish News I couldn't help but think that Morgan is a very important player to Tyrone now like Cluxton is to Dublin.
He gets a lot of aggro from the crowd and so I would imagine if an opponent gets a chance to knock him off his stride "occidentally" then he will take that chance
Its like when Francie Bellew was coming at you and you waited til the last minute before releasing it then you knew Francie was gotta take his chance to nail you. Fair enuf
Equally, he soloed out to halfway in the first half, gave the ball away and we got a point but should have got a goal while he was still running back. A turnover from his wanderings are very desirable and evidently available. It is arguably even more productive to force from him a turnover rather to to nail him and risk a card.
A late tackle or a bad tackle is not a black card. They were fouls previously and are dealt with under the existing rules, a yellow card or a Red card. The black card offences are
1. To deal with cynical fouls
(a) Deliberate Trip of an opponent
(b) Deliberate Pull down of an opponent
(c) Deliberate Body Collide to take a player out of the movement of the play
2. To deal with Non Cynical Fouls -
(a) threatening or verbal abuse or threatening gestures towards a player or opponent
(b) to remonstrate with a referee or match official.
If Mr Duffy saw it as a deliberate body collide to take a player out of the movement of play then the correct card was picked.
In the greater scheme of things, it had no effect on the outcome of the game I think. We looked a beaten docket all day and although there was a mini-revival around the time of the incorrectly awarded goal, we were huffing and puffing at the Tyrone defence with no real prospects of ever knocking it down.
From where I was sitting, it looked to be a beautiful pass from Cavanagh (I think?) for Tyrone's goal.
For me, AOS deserved the black card. Deliberate body check, and a fuckin stupid thing to do
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2015, 10:04:19 AM
On the reffing or lack thereof, absolutely terrible. How many times were frees slowed down, at one stage in the second half a tyrone lad kicked the ball 30 yards to the corner, he couldn't possibly have argued he was kicking it to a tyrone man because they were all inside their own 45.
Diarmuid O'C black card for a rugby tackle. No. 26 Tyrone black card for two pull downs inside 30 seconds, yellowed two mins later. Duffy calling a line ball when it was clearly inside from O'C again. COC being pulled round the place by McMahon, followed up by a shoulder to the chest, both booked. AOS, think he could have pulled out, surprised it wasn't a red but where do u get a black. Diarmuid again dragging out of Sean C.
If I could remember more Id put them down. Absolutely terrible.
On Mayo, you can't have three inside forwards who just don't move, really poor and even COC didn't change that, looking for long balls into the square. Shooting was the worst I've seen in a long time.
When Kev Mc and Jason D don't preform we are a poor team and chasing the game yesterday we went back to leaving our full back isolated, both Zippy and Caff were hung out to dry.
As for Tyrone, great football people but that team yesterday was absolutely puke, no interest in football, we couldn't get around it so it's job done but I'd worry if that was the template for the year and Mickey can't get a talented group of players to play some football.
The ref was bad in fairness but he was correct with the AOS call. People need to learn the black card rule themselves before ridiculing the ref for applying it correctly!
Quote from: StephenC on February 09, 2015, 05:05:05 PM
From where I was sitting, it looked to be a beautiful pass from Cavanagh (I think?) for Tyrone's goal.
It was a cracker, however, from memory he may have been aiming for a man further out on the wing and landed on a plate for Lavery. I'm sure Sean will claim it was intentional!
Btw, Lavery showed good composure to lay it off to Harte. Many 'newcomers' would have panicked and tried to take the net off the goals with a piledriver.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2015, 10:04:19 AM
On the reffing or lack thereof, absolutely terrible. How many times were frees slowed down, at one stage in the second half a tyrone lad kicked the ball 30 yards to the corner, he couldn't possibly have argued he was kicking it to a tyrone man because they were all inside their own 45.
Diarmuid O'C black card for a rugby tackle. No. 26 Tyrone black card for two pull downs inside 30 seconds, yellowed two mins later. Duffy calling a line ball when it was clearly inside from O'C again. COC being pulled round the place by McMahon, followed up by a shoulder to the chest, both booked. AOS, think he could have pulled out, surprised it wasn't a red but where do u get a black. Diarmuid again dragging out of Sean C.
If I could remember more Id put them down. Absolutely terrible.
On Mayo, you can't have three inside forwards who just don't move, really poor and even COC didn't change that, looking for long balls into the square. Shooting was the worst I've seen in a long time.
When Kev Mc and Jason D don't preform we are a poor team and chasing the game yesterday we went back to leaving our full back isolated, both Zippy and Caff were hung out to dry.
As for Tyrone, great football people but that team yesterday was absolutely puke, no interest in football, we couldn't get around it so it's job done but I'd worry if that was the template for the year and Mickey can't get a talented group of players to play some football.
The ref was bad in fairness but he was correct with the AOS call. People need to learn the black card rule themselves before ridiculing the ref for applying it correctly!
If jumping to block a handpass is a black card because of where you land, we might as well throw our hats at the game altogether.
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Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2015, 10:04:19 AM
On the reffing or lack thereof, absolutely terrible. How many times were frees slowed down, at one stage in the second half a tyrone lad kicked the ball 30 yards to the corner, he couldn't possibly have argued he was kicking it to a tyrone man because they were all inside their own 45.
Diarmuid O'C black card for a rugby tackle. No. 26 Tyrone black card for two pull downs inside 30 seconds, yellowed two mins later. Duffy calling a line ball when it was clearly inside from O'C again. COC being pulled round the place by McMahon, followed up by a shoulder to the chest, both booked. AOS, think he could have pulled out, surprised it wasn't a red but where do u get a black. Diarmuid again dragging out of Sean C.
If I could remember more Id put them down. Absolutely terrible.
On Mayo, you can't have three inside forwards who just don't move, really poor and even COC didn't change that, looking for long balls into the square. Shooting was the worst I've seen in a long time.
When Kev Mc and Jason D don't preform we are a poor team and chasing the game yesterday we went back to leaving our full back isolated, both Zippy and Caff were hung out to dry.
As for Tyrone, great football people but that team yesterday was absolutely puke, no interest in football, we couldn't get around it so it's job done but I'd worry if that was the template for the year and Mickey can't get a talented group of players to play some football.
The ref was bad in fairness but he was correct with the AOS call. People need to learn the black card rule themselves before ridiculing the ref for applying it correctly!
If jumping to block a handpass is a black card because of where you land, we might as well throw our hats at the game altogether.
Do you honestly believe it was an accident? Come on now
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Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 09, 2015, 10:04:19 AM
On the reffing or lack thereof, absolutely terrible. How many times were frees slowed down, at one stage in the second half a tyrone lad kicked the ball 30 yards to the corner, he couldn't possibly have argued he was kicking it to a tyrone man because they were all inside their own 45.
Diarmuid O'C black card for a rugby tackle. No. 26 Tyrone black card for two pull downs inside 30 seconds, yellowed two mins later. Duffy calling a line ball when it was clearly inside from O'C again. COC being pulled round the place by McMahon, followed up by a shoulder to the chest, both booked. AOS, think he could have pulled out, surprised it wasn't a red but where do u get a black. Diarmuid again dragging out of Sean C.
If I could remember more Id put them down. Absolutely terrible.
On Mayo, you can't have three inside forwards who just don't move, really poor and even COC didn't change that, looking for long balls into the square. Shooting was the worst I've seen in a long time.
When Kev Mc and Jason D don't preform we are a poor team and chasing the game yesterday we went back to leaving our full back isolated, both Zippy and Caff were hung out to dry.
As for Tyrone, great football people but that team yesterday was absolutely puke, no interest in football, we couldn't get around it so it's job done but I'd worry if that was the template for the year and Mickey can't get a talented group of players to play some football.
The ref was bad in fairness but he was correct with the AOS call. People need to learn the black card rule themselves before ridiculing the ref for applying it correctly!
If jumping to block a handpass is a black card because of where you land, we might as well throw our hats at the game altogether.
Do you honestly believe it was an accident? Come on now
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Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
I don't think it is that ambiguous though. Call it a body-check/stopping the runner, thats a black card. The stuff leading up to the goal was mad alright!
Aiden O'Shea black card vs Tyrone: http://youtu.be/l_rqrfOWPvw
Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
I don't think it is that ambiguous though. Call it a body-check/stopping the runner, thats a black card. The stuff leading up to the goal was mad alright!
Can't agree with you there, he was making a legitimate attempt to block the ball. It could be considered reckless play but never a black card for me.
Made no difference to the result but it could during the summer.
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
Arrah, will ya go away outa that, will ya? ;D
I mean one of our goals was as total farce, was it?
So there wuz three fouls, followed by a technical infringement, whatever that means, and three officials had a yap about it but none of 'em saw what you could see- even though two were within six bloody feet of the alleged technical infringement and you weren't within an asses's roar of what was going on.
Some of yous bucks were up to far worse than anything O'Shea might have done and ye got away with it.
Poxy Ref!
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 09, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
I don't think it is that ambiguous though. Call it a body-check/stopping the runner, thats a black card. The stuff leading up to the goal was mad alright!
Can't agree with you there, he was making a legitimate attempt to block the ball. It could be considered reckless play but never a black card for me.
Made no difference to the result but it could during the summer.
Yes ffs if every attempt to go for the ball, which led to a collision, triggered dismissals we would end up with netball.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 09, 2015, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
Arrah, will ya go away outa that, will ya? ;D
I mean one of our goals was as total farce, was it?
So there wuz three fouls, followed by a technical infringement, whatever that means, and three officials had a yap about it but none of 'em saw what you could see- even though two were within six bloody feet of the alleged technical infringement and you weren't within an asses's roar of what was going on.
Some of yous bucks were up to far worse than anything O'Shea might have done and ye got away with it.
Poxy Ref!
Hmmm you write what I imagine like Mick Barret would sound like.
Have you decided that posting on gaaboard is a more effective method of questioning a referees decision than a rolling maul with match stewards
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After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
The most honest all Ireland they ever won..
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Jays moy, I dunno about that. I've read several comments over on WJ's blog and social media saying that 'if Mayo ever go negative they'd never go to a game again etc'. But I agree with what you're saying, although Pat's interview afterwards doesn't inspire me with confidence that the management has the wherewithal to draw up a defensive strategy to implement the blanket defence.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Jays moy, I dunno about that. I've read several comments over on WJ's blog and social media saying that 'if Mayo ever go negative they'd never go to a game again etc'. But I agree with what you're saying, although Pat's interview afterwards doesn't inspire me with confidence that the management has the wherewithal to draw up a defensive strategy to implement the blanket defence.
The same people would be crowing if we win games - no matter how they were won.
Look, with this current management it looks like we ll just muddle along anyway. Pat's comments after the game have gone down like a lead balloon around the place.
Remember Pat was about last time when the game was about to go in a different direction. He had a very good team. He had the opportunity to do what likes of Kernan and Harte did. He blew it. It s wishful thinking that he would be better or more dynamic this time.
In itself last Sunday s game was not important but as regards the signals it gives out it was huge. The way manager and captained responded to it after did nothing to deflect suspicions in a lot of peoples's minds that this management is out of its depth.
Maybe that s why they should go ultra defensive. A negative, defensive game is a lot easier to coach than trying to coach a positive game to beat the blanket defensive with a ff line of midgets!
tbh I couldn t watch us being rope-a-doped like that again either.
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
Fairly honest appraisal of the proceedings from Pat Holmes in the aftermath...
interview (http://vimeo.com/119176624)
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 09, 2015, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on February 09, 2015, 07:03:59 PM
Some amount of yapping on here from Mayo about AOS. It was a foul no doubt but What card it should have been is completely ambiguous, not the officials fault, its the rules fault
On the other hand the goal yous were awarded got was a total farce. 3 fouls and then a technical infringement, followed by a discussion between officials of the incidents, 2 of whom were within 3 metres of said rule infringements and none of them seen or deemed any of them to be against the rules...the mind boggles
Arrah, will ya go away outa that, will ya? ;D
I mean one of our goals was as total farce, was it?
So there wuz three fouls, followed by a technical infringement, whatever that means, and three officials had a yap about it but none of 'em saw what you could see- even though two were within six bloody feet of the alleged technical infringement and you weren't within an asses's roar of what was going on.
Some of yous bucks were up to far worse than anything O'Shea might have done and ye got away with it.
Poxy Ref!
Hmmm you write what I imagine like Mick Barret would sound like.
Have you decided that posting on gaaboard is a more effective method of questioning a referees decision than a rolling maul with match stewards
(http://media.central.ie/media/images/k/KerryMayoPitchInvader_large.jpg)
Hah? Who's questioning the ref's decision? ;D
I'm saying the ref was dead, goddamn right. Him and his two umpires decided that the goal was, well, a goal and they were bang on the money.
I think you are the one doing a Mick Barrett here.
;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2015, 11:14:22 PM
Fairly honest appraisal of the proceedings from Pat Holmes in the aftermath...
interview (http://vimeo.com/119176624)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I first heard a Pateen 'honest' interview after the Connacht final in '94 when he was the only player willing to face the music.
He s been managing teams now for 15 years. He s in a group with 4? very defensive sides and this is a performance we get at home.
Pathetic performance and an interview of ould guff that we ve come to expect.
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
;DQuote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2015, 11:14:22 PM
Fairly honest appraisal of the proceedings from Pat Holmes in the aftermath...
interview (http://vimeo.com/119176624)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I first heard a Pateen 'honest' interview after the Connacht final in '94 when he was the only player willing to face the music.
He s been managing teams now for 15 years. He s in a group with 4? very defensive sides and this is a performance we get at home.
Pathetic performance and an interview of ould guff that we ve come to expect.
To paraphrase:
- Probably the most defensive set-up we've been cursed enough to face
- Not something we had planned for in our wildest nightmares
- Damned sure we're going to be better prepared if we're ever faced with such an awful duvet abomination again
- Now, time I was gone, I have a hell of a lot of coaching (and kicking ass) to do
Fairly honest from Pateen if you were to ask me! ;)
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
There is no alternative. Christ, even Mead were playing a version of the blanket v Kildare :o
Yer man Mickey Burke had enough hair on him to make a blanket of his own + fleas.
But I m talking more than a sweeper and two man ff line. The only out and out forward finisher I would start would be O Connor. Likes of Doc, McLoughlin, O Coonor the younger and half backs can get up and down and usually contribute heavily to our scoring anyway.
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
There is no alternative. Christ, even Mead were playing a version of the blanket v Kildare :o
Yer man Mickey Burke had enough hair on him to make a blanket of his own + fleas.
But I m talking more than a sweeper and two man ff line. The only out and out forward finisher I would start would be O Connor. Likes of Doc, McLoughlin, O Coonor the younger and half backs can get up and down and usually contribute heavily to our scoring anyway.
I know this wont go down well with some on here but i believe Regan will also have to start he has a skill set that we badly need.The extra defender will also give our backs licence to get forward when the time arises
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2015, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
;DQuote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2015, 11:14:22 PM
Fairly honest appraisal of the proceedings from Pat Holmes in the aftermath...
interview (http://vimeo.com/119176624)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I first heard a Pateen 'honest' interview after the Connacht final in '94 when he was the only player willing to face the music.
He s been managing teams now for 15 years. He s in a group with 4? very defensive sides and this is a performance we get at home.
Pathetic performance and an interview of ould guff that we ve come to expect.
To paraphase:
- Probably the most defensive set-up we've been cursed enough to face
- Not something we had planned for in our wildest nightmares
- Damned sure we're going to be better prepared if we're ever faced with such an awful duvet abomination again
- Now, time I was gone, I have a hell of a lot of coaching (and kicking ass) to do
Fairly honest from Pateen if you were to ask me! ;)
More like very naive if you ask me.
If I as a fan expected that then the team manager should have been expecting it. Harte and Tyrone were hurting - what did he expect was going to happen.
I was also expecting Justin McMahon to start. Was he? How any body could have been taken aback by that in the circumstances is grim.
Better prepared next time? Wouldn t hold my breath. More roaring and shouting in the changing rooms maybe ::)
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
There is no alternative. Christ, even Mead were playing a version of the blanket v Kildare :o
Yer man Mickey Burke had enough hair on him to make a blanket of his own + fleas.
But I m talking more than a sweeper and two man ff line. The only out and out forward finisher I would start would be O Connor. Likes of Doc, McLoughlin, O Coonor the younger and half backs can get up and down and usually contribute heavily to our scoring anyway.
I know this wont go down well with some on here but i believe Regan will also have to start he has a skill set that we badly need.The extra defender will also give our backs licence to get forward when the time arises
No point speculating about Reagan now Dan. That bird has flown.
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
There is no alternative. Christ, even Mead were playing a version of the blanket v Kildare :o
Yer man Mickey Burke had enough hair on him to make a blanket of his own + fleas.
But I m talking more than a sweeper and two man ff line. The only out and out forward finisher I would start would be O Connor. Likes of Doc, McLoughlin, O Coonor the younger and half backs can get up and down and usually contribute heavily to our scoring anyway.
I know this wont go down well with some on here but i believe Regan will also have to start he has a skill set that we badly need.The extra defender will also give our backs licence to get forward when the time arises
No point speculating about Reagan now Dan. That bird has flown.
Ive heard hes expected back for the Cork game that it wasnt as bad as first feared.
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For all the talk of defensive formations. What abbout fresh blood. Gallagher,Ronaldson, Conroy,Sweeney,Varley, O Connor all tried before, even Evan and Stephen Coen had played league football under the previous regime. Only one new player given game time in Patrick Durcan. Maybe there is no new talent in the County but I would of liked to see Crowe, Dravins, Jack Reilly get a run. By the way, what did Neil Douglas do wrong.
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on February 09, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on February 09, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
After that I think it is inevitable that Mayo will get more defensive and adopt a massed defence. Might not be popular but waste of time persisting with our current naive approach. As it is our backs have been left exposed for years and arguably cost us last years AI. We need to concede a lot less.
Our personnel also would suit a rope-a-dope counter-attacking game. We ve loads of players that hold the middle, e.g. Seamie, Vaughan, Aidan and ball carrying backs our strength Barrett (recovering from ankle surgery, Hall, Durcan, Keegan, Boyler, Cian Burke, Vaughan, Zippy made for the game. Good link players comfortable on the ball like Parsons, McLoughlin and Doherty.
Also we simply do not have the quality target inside man/men to persist with what we re doing.
The game has become an arm wrestle so might as well join it. Going nowhere otherwise. Kerry had no problem playing their version of a blanket.
We should use the rest of the league to adapt to a very defensive system and have it in place for the championship opener in Salthill. Everybody knows how to set up against us now. Ros. got close last year. Any team would fancy it now after that.
Agree 100% with this Moysider.We need to start playing a system that suits our better players not keep trying to incorporate players into a system that just is not working for us.For a start we need to go to a 2 man ff line and play an extra defender be it Vaughan Barrett whoever maybe even Higgins as the extra man.We are carrying passangers in the ff line and its high time we tried something different.
There is no alternative. Christ, even Mead were playing a version of the blanket v Kildare :o
Yer man Mickey Burke had enough hair on him to make a blanket of his own + fleas.
But I m talking more than a sweeper and two man ff line. The only out and out forward finisher I would start would be O Connor. Likes of Doc, McLoughlin, O Coonor the younger and half backs can get up and down and usually contribute heavily to our scoring anyway.
I know this wont go down well with some on here but i believe Regan will also have to start he has a skill set that we badly need.The extra defender will also give our backs licence to get forward when the time arises
No point speculating about Reagan now Dan. That bird has flown.
Ive heard hes expected back for the Cork game that it wasnt as bad as first feared.
It s still a busted collar bone and they can be tricky. I don t know when Cork is but he should not be playing before 12 weeks minimum.
And it s not like he s a regular anyway. After all that has happened with his development it s a question of wait and see.
Hopefully Barrett s surgery to ankle is just a bit of cleaning up and this stupid 3 week break will mean he ll miss feck all games. Parsons close to a return as well and I expect him to become a fixture this year. TBH its not our players that concern me.
Rossfan, i reckon it'll hit at least 30 pages. These boys are only warming up!!
Quote from: REDCOL on February 09, 2015, 11:56:53 PM
For all the talk of defensive formations. What abbout fresh blood. Gallagher,Ronaldson, Conroy,Sweeney,Varley, O Connor all tried before, even Evan and Stephen Coen had played league football under the previous regime. Only one new player given game time in Patrick Durcan. Maybe there is no new talent in the County but I would of liked to see Crowe, Dravins, Jack Reilly get a run. By the way, what did Neil Douglas do wrong.
Michael Hall did well. He was new. You could throw likes of Plunkett, Seanie Regan and Cian Burke in there too. Irwin and Beirne. Give them all a run by all means. They all can play Would it have changed the result or even the performance the last day? I dunno but I doubt it. More like more lambs to the slaughter.
Unless there are changes to rules no team is going to win an AI again without a serious defense-first approach.
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 10, 2015, 12:04:30 AM
Rossfan, i reckon it'll hit at least 30 pages. These boys are only warming up!!
We ll continue in the local discussion section. Ye wont bother tracking us there ;)
Tyronies no longer interested in this thread anyway. They re well sated for now.
I thought Niall Morgan was very lucky to escape a card when mayo scored their goal. He needs to think about his discipline.
Mickey O'Neill a genuine contender now for goalkeeper.
Seems like a lot of over-reaction to losing a league game in February (there didn't seem to be much chat of playing an ultra-defensive system after the Kerry game).
Yes, we need play more defensively than last year and provide more cover to our FB line when the HBs bomb forward but we don't need to completely change our playing style from the last couple of years. Playing someone like SOS in CHB would be a start. I think even Dublin will have realised from last year that you can't completely ignore the need to defend.
If we were to go the whole hog of a blanket defence, we would need to become the best at it – does anyone honestly believe that we could match what Donegal did in 2012? I don't. Over the past 3 years, we've been inches away from winning an AI, IMO what is needed to bring us the rest of the way is the development of a plan B & C for the forward line and an increased onus on covering the FB line once we lose the ball.
For what it's worth, I don't think any of the varying quality of blankets that are around at the moment will be good enough to beat Dublin / Kerry this year. A better version of what we have played for the last 3 years might be
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 10, 2015, 08:41:15 AM
Seems like a lot of over-reaction to losing a league game in February (there didn't seem to be much chat of playing an ultra-defensive system after the Kerry game).
Yes, we need play more defensively than last year and provide more cover to our FB line when the HBs bomb forward but we don’t need to completely change our playing style from the last couple of years. Playing someone like SOS in CHB would be a start. I think even Dublin will have realised from last year that you can’t completely ignore the need to defend.
If we were to go the whole hog of a blanket defence, we would need to become the best at it – does anyone honestly believe that we could match what Donegal did in 2012? I don’t. Over the past 3 years, we’ve been inches away from winning an AI, IMO what is needed to bring us the rest of the way is the development of a plan B & C for the forward line and an increased onus on covering the FB line once we lose the ball.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think any of the varying quality of blankets that are around at the moment will be good enough to beat Dublin / Kerry this year. A better version of what we have played for the last 3 years might be
incredible reaction to a poor performance a week after one of our better league performances for years .
1st thing to remember we are much more likely to be facing Kerry come august september (if mayo are still in it) than were are a poor enough tyrone team made for league points to Stay in division one.
so to change team and tactics to suit tyrones anti-football would be just Stupid.
while i love to see a new guy come along whos going to change the face of mayo football as much as the next . Connelly and Holmes used a huge amount of players during the league and also had an eye on the hastings cup and when some one or two are appointed manager you have to give them time to get their own team up and running and trust their judgement untill it is proved other wise.
God the gamers cant come quick enoug a good win over monaghan and the campaign for canonization will start again
I laughed at the last post referring to Tyrone as a poor team - in all seriousness some Mayo fans have a high opinion of their team. They have achieved very little and haven't got a serious forward of note, there is as much talent in the Tyrone panel as there is in the Mayo one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 10, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
I laughed at the last post referring to Tyrone as a poor team - in all seriousness some Mayo fans have a high opinion of their team. They have achieved very little and haven't got a serious forward of note, there is as much talent in the Tyrone panel as there is in the Mayo one.
That's not really accurate Nrico, you mightn't like it but Tyrone have done very little of Nite since 2008, that's 7 years now.
And Mayo haven't won the All Ireland but we are one of the four teams that look capable of it over the last four years and I think we quiet rightly have a high opinion of that.
And we don't have forwards other than Cillian, who is a serious forward.
I would think that mayo should be looking at teams like Tyrone, Roscommon etc and thinking we won't be losing to them this year come championship, just my opinion though
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 10, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
I laughed at the last post referring to Tyrone as a poor team - in all seriousness some Mayo fans have a high opinion of their team. They have achieved very little and haven't got a serious forward of note, there is as much talent in the Tyrone panel as there is in the Mayo one.
apart from league matches in february there is no evidence of that since , as mayo4sam points out, since 2008
how many players remain from that era?
Mayo have knocked at least 4 reigning holders out and came within a kick of a ball of making it 3 All Ireland finals in a row last year. while not quiet t he holy grail . its not nothing either
Mayo being a 'nearly team' is nothing to shout about. If Tyrone have been poor from 2008 how many times have Mayo been able to get the better of them? Tyrone were in All Ireland semi finals from 2008. When Tyrone reach a final they make a point of not losing them either. Takes a bit of fight, that's something Mayo clearly lack whether it be February or September. When Mayo are challenged they are often found lacking.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on February 10, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
I laughed at the last post referring to Tyrone as a poor team - in all seriousness some Mayo fans have a high opinion of their team. They have achieved very little and haven't got a serious forward of note, there is as much talent in the Tyrone panel as there is in the Mayo one.
apart from league matches in february there is no evidence of that since , as mayo4sam points out, since 2008
how many players remain from that era?
Mayo have knocked at least 4 reigning holders out and came within a kick of a ball of making it 3 All Ireland finals in a row last year. while not quiet t he holy grail . its not nothing either
Absolutely agree, there was period of time a few years ago when Mayo where being crowned as team of the decade and there was talk of 3 in a row. How can Tyrone compete with that?
Jesus, Tyrone folk getting snotty about being called a poor team - have a look at the Tyrone v Monaghan thread and read what Tyrone supporters were saying about your own team
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 10, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
Jesus, Tyrone folk getting snotty about being called a poor team - have a look at the Tyrone v Monaghan thread and read what Tyrone supporters were saying about your own team
I know and Mayo folk getting all high and mighty because Tyrone don't feel inferior to them - have a look at the last few pages on this thread and read what Mayo supporters are saying about their own team.
Yeah, you Tyrone lads must understand that winning the AI and outgunning Kerry for over a decade is only 'technically' fulfilling the requirements for greatness. True legendary status only comes from getting your ass handed to you every year and still turning up faithfully confident of success!
Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
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Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
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Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
Have to say this 'we are better than you conversation' that has erupted over the last page or so is so childish! Tyrone beat Mayo last Sunday (Mayo beat Kerry the week before), they hold the plaudits and rightly so for the win. But if you gauge how good (or bad) you are on how well (or bad) you performed in a league game in February then you have not a clue of how the mad world of GAA intercounty football works.
Already hoping that Tyrone and Mayo make the semi finals
We ll have our blanket in place by then. Tyrone forwards will have to work for living the next day ;)
Quote from: moysider on February 10, 2015, 04:29:16 PM
We ll have our blanket in place by then. Tyrone forwards will have to work for living the next day ;)
Hadn't even considered the football
Quote from: God14 on February 10, 2015, 08:04:23 AM
I thought Niall Morgan was very lucky to escape a card when mayo scored their goal. He needs to think about his discipline.
Mickey O'Neill a genuine contender now for goalkeeper.
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Not a chance. Mickey not at morgans level and wont be. Good to see an aggressive goalkeeper. Reminds me of clucko. One of the first names on the teamsheet.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 10, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
Have to say this 'we are better than you conversation[/i]' that has erupted over the last page or so is so childish! Tyrone beat Mayo last Sunday (Mayo beat Kerry the week before), they hold the plaudits and rightly so for the win. But if you gauge how good (or bad) you are on how well (or bad) you performed in a league game in February then you have not a clue of how the mad world of GAA intercounty football works.
They started it! ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 10, 2015, 02:43:15 PM
Mayo being a 'nearly team' is nothing to shout about. If Tyrone have been poor from 2008 how many times have Mayo been able to get the better of them? Tyrone were in All Ireland semi finals from 2008. When Tyrone reach a final they make a point of not losing them either. Takes a bit of fight, that's something Mayo clearly lack whether it be February or September. When Mayo are challenged they are often found lacking.
This is just silly.
The point was Mayo supporters were very disappointed to lose to Tyrone. Some Tyrone posters seem offended by this, including yourself. Like it or not that is where you are, it doesn't matter what you did in a final in 2008.
We might not have won an All-Ireland, but the last 4 years we have been at a different level to Tyrone.
If this year we go out early and you make the last 4 then we will have to revise our opinion of ourselves versus Tyrone.
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Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
No, it isn't. So there!
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Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
No, it isn't. So there!
I would say it's 50/50
Donnelly, O'Shea, Mcloughlin
McCurry, Cavanagh, O Connor,
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Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
No, it isn't. So there!
I would say it's 50/50
Donnelly, O'Shea, Mcloughlin
McCurry, Cavanagh, O Connor,
Aye, I'd agree with that.
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Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
No, it isn't. So there!
I would say it's 50/50
Donnelly, O'Shea, Mcloughlin
McCurry, Cavanagh, O Connor,
Aye, I'd agree with that.
Not a chance O'Connor is onyl fella who'd make it on the Tyrone starting team. That lumbering oaf you have at 11 wouldn't even get on the panel
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Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Tyrone are man-to-man inferior to Mayo. Few if anyone outside Tyrone could or would argue otherwise.
Tyrone were probably the team of the last decade but since at least 2010 Tyrone haven't seriously challenged for Sam, while Mayo have. It was a remarkable achievement for Harte to get Tyrone to the AISF in 2013.
Tyrone just need to keep building if they want to win number four. Winning number four in Mayo is an altogether more maddening task for the natives.
That Mayo forward line are in no way shape or form better man for man than Tyrone's and that's a pretty significant section of the team. Bar Cillian O'Connor i wouldn't have any of them on the Tyrone forward line. I suspect we will appreciate how good a job James Horan did with Mayo by the end of this season.
Not true, as a unit come the hard ground we have a decent forward unit better than Tyrones.
Tyrone's forward line individually and collectively is better than Mayo's.
No, it isn't. So there!
I would say it's 50/50
Donnelly, O'Shea, Mcloughlin
McCurry, Cavanagh, O Connor,
I d only have Matty Donnelly and play him ff. Not convinced about big Seán at ff. McCurry good when he s given space. A fit Evan Reagan at 13 for me.
Time to move on anybody??
Absolutely. Nothing more to see here; bit early to start a Monaghan thread? You call it 'deelin!
how many of the current tyrone panel have all Ireland medals is it just the Cavanagh's and Mcmahons?
yes 4 more than mayo HaHaHa.
ye are gas men
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
Time to move on anybody??
Farr, will you put us out of our misery and start the bleddy vs Monaghan thread?
It's kinda expected here now that you'll start the ball rolling and predict that Mayo will get bet out the gate so don't put the jinx on us poor suffering Mayo followers.
Go for at least a six-point Monaghan win and that'll give us a sporting chance! ;D