Their last meeting at HQ ended with the Dubs ending a 16 year drought to lift Sam.
(http://i.imgur.com/mcJN3q0.jpg)
Should be a great game - or is it just two teams fighting out to see who gets beat by Mayo in the final?
Looking forward to the contrasting styles, open flowing football from the Dubs vs. negative 13 behind the ball Kerry anti-football.
We will park the fooking bus .................................................hold on hold on hold on hold we will save that one for Mayo ;)
(http://snoozeulooze.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bernard-brogan-3.jpg)
Will ye have any bus to park by then ? ;D
I might stay on for the first half after our Minor Semi.
Yerra we'll de doing well to keep it to a point the way we are going...
*post intended to be sarcastic but may turn out to be accurate!
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 05, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
We will park the fooking bus .................................................hold on hold on hold on hold we will save that one for Mayo ;)
(http://snoozeulooze.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bernard-brogan-3.jpg)
Is that Berno's private bus? When'd he pass his bus drivers' license test?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2013, 10:11:05 PM
Will ye have any bus to park by then ? ;D
I might stay on for the first half after our Minor Semi.
;) Ah ya should lad, might be a classic ...........................................
Personally thought Kerry played well within themselves in the second half against Cavan..............................oul Dolce and Galvanna will raise the bar for this one along with the long lad ..........................................what a lovely growler I see
(http://rsvpmagazine.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/kieran-donaghy-wedding00035-e1358640485629.jpg)
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 05, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
Yerra we'll de doing well to keep it to a point the way we are going...
*post intended to be sarcastic but may turn out to be accurate!
Remember ye thru it away the last day, ye had the game one yerra, took the eye off the ball yerra ......................................... 2 years ye have been waiting to get a hold of us, ye will bust a gut to beat us.....................
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 05, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 05, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
Yerra we'll de doing well to keep it to a point the way we are going...
*post intended to be sarcastic but may turn out to be accurate!
Remember ye thru it away the last day, ye had the game one yerra, took the eye off the ball yerra ......................................... 2 years ye have been waiting to get a hold of us, ye will bust a gut to beat us.....................
I'd say you're fierce crack!
By the way, I assume you read the little post-text at the bottom of my post...and secondly "one" is a number..."won" as in Kerry had the 2011 AI final wonm but threw it away, is the word you were looking for!
Looking forward to a few weeks of banter!
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
see the Kerry girls must have the blinkers on down round them parts lol
You think the big man get a coat which actually fits him!!
I see Cian O'Neill is putting it out in public that he wants the Kildare job - Kerry lads shouldn't be planning anything more than this year with him, he'll jump ship without a thought.
He did the same with Mayo, but we got Donie Buckley and I think that was the better half of the swap :)
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Agree 100% with that - I'd say Galvin would love to hear how a youngfella who has acheived nothing (albeit one with a bright future ahead of him) is going to destroy one of the best players of the modern era
Kerry have a last kick in them and no better opponent than ourselves to bring it out.
It's nicely set up for Dublin.
The forward unit was poor the last day and I'd say Galvin will give them a collective kick up the hole.
They're playing at about 80% capacity atm.
This could be Mayo vs Donegal all over again.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Its analysis based on the Kerry matches I have watched in the last year or two not on a birth cert. Its no slight on O'Se who has been the best wing back of his generation and is still a good player but imo he has dipped below the levels of 4/5 years ago. Galvin even though he is younger is even more noticeably so, he looks far too stiff and bulky and lacks the same ability to get around the pitch. They still have the football in their feet but I just feel that if Dublin play at the level of pace and intensity that they have done all season (which they will) then Kerry won't be able to match it.
Quote from: heffo on August 06, 2013, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Agree 100% with that - I'd say Galvin would love to hear how a youngfella who has acheived nothing (albeit one with a bright future ahead of him) is going to destroy one of the best players of the modern era
Kerry have a last kick in them and no better opponent than ourselves to bring it out.
To be honest if Fitzmaurice has any tac tical nous at all, and I don't think he is stupid, he will not give us the chance to find out. Can't see him putting Galvin on McCaffrey unless he wants to soften him up early on.
If the Dubs go man-for-man at the back like they've done most of the time, I think Gooch will revert to the full forward line and Kerry will try to have 3 on 3 contests, or even 2 on 2.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Darran O'Sullivan on McCaffrey. In an effort to make McCaffrey chase back more than forward.
I think the Dubs will edge it, but not before we get a big scare. Kerry to lead at half-time, but Dublin to win.
3/4 weeks of serious "yerraism" ahead of us.
Don' t be fooled for a minute, Kerry fully expect to win this game. A team with O'Sullivan x2, Ó Sé x 2, Donaghy, Galvin, Cooper, O'Mahony etc should win imo. 3/4 of them would imvho be in the shake up of being in the "team of the millenium". ( the 2 Ó Sés, Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan).
Tipped them at the start of the year to win the whole thing out.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Tomas O'Se has looked gassed in the only two championship games Kerry have played that had even an inkling of bite.
He's struggling to adapt his game to a mid-30's body. You can't charge up the field and back again as much as he's attempting to and survive even 50 minutes. It was interesting to see him trotting up the field with the ball early in the first half of the Cavan game, clearly he knows he needs to pace himself better.
I certainly think Kerry will struggle to match Dublin's conditioning and pace if the tempo is kept up for 70 minutes, however Kerry still have fine footballers and I would not be surprised to see the likes of Dec O'Sullivan, Gooch and even Donaghy having big games against Dublin.
Kerry will try to get a lead on Dublin early, to introduce the odd doubts and to make Dublin chase the game. Then they will try to clamp it down, with a fair few 'tactical' fouls I'd imagine. Whether this works or not will depend on how Dublin react. If they keep calm, and keep playing their game, they will win.
People have been saying that Dublin are regressing slightly as they go through the year and the opponents get better, but they still beat Cork by 5 points. If they work on decision making and capitalising on one on one goal chances instead of being greedy, they'll put up a big score. If they had taken half their goal chances against Cork they'd have won by 14 or 15 points and we'd be talking about an absolute demolition job.
This is really a false war. A bit like 2 bridesmaids fighting over being chief to the bride as Mayo are shoo-ins for Sam anyway. In that event I think we should beat them and usher a few great players into retirement ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2013, 01:04:56 PM
People have been saying that Dublin are regressing slightly as they go through the year and the opponents get better, but they still beat Cork by 5 points. If they work on decision making and capitalising on one on one goal chances instead of being greedy, they'll put up a big score. If they had taken half their goal chances against Cork they'd have won by 14 or 15 points and we'd be talking about an absolute demolition job.
Their greediness has been highlighted on a number of occasions this summer and the messages obviously aren't getting through. I'm sure they have talked about it in training and match preparations.
Benard Brogan is in a confidence vacuum and Gavin is in a difficult position. Leave him on because he has the ability to spark back to form or bench him (for Dean Rock), which would obviously damage his confidence even further.
I'd bench him personally.
Quote from: Declan on August 06, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
This is really a false war. A bit like 2 bridesmaids fighting over being chief to the bride as Mayo are shoo-ins for Sam anyway. In that event I think we should beat them and usher a few great players into retirement ;)
sickening, sickening arrogance
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
sickening, sickening arrogance
Don't be too hard on yourself.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Cork v Dublin wasn't one sided and Kerry are better side than Cork. Mayo v Tyrone is more likely to be one sided than this game and Kerry of the underdogs are most likely to cause a upset.
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
sickening, sickening arrogance
Don't be too hard on yourself.
Ah, I see you pulled your head out of Seafoid's arse long enough to post that comment.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
sickening, sickening arrogance
Don't be too hard on yourself.
Ah, I see you pulled your head out of Seafoid's arse long enough to post that comment.
You should probably find somewhere else to post your fantasies.
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
You should probably find somewhere else to post your fantasies.
Look I know I humiliated you over on non-GAA section a while back but that's no reason to be chasing me around here nipping at my ankles like an angry poodle ;D It just reinforces that lapdog image I have of you that Seafoid exploits so well.
Does anyone know whether tickets for this will go on general sale or through both countiy boards only? I'd imagine demand for this will be sky high so they will be like hens teeth.
Well - the GAA are offering a special deal with tickets for the Dublin/Cork hurling game paired up with this one
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0408131820-ticket-package-dublin-semi-finals/
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2013, 10:53:49 PM
Well - the GAA are offering a special deal with tickets for the Dublin/Cork hurling game paired up with this one
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0408131820-ticket-package-dublin-semi-finals/
Cheers in fairness to the GAA that's a very good initiative with the double match offer.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2013, 10:45:44 PM
Does anyone know whether tickets for this will go on general sale or through both countiy boards only? I'd imagine demand for this will be sky high so they will be like hens teeth.
Tickets have been on general sale for this semi final since before the pairings were even known.
gaa.tickets.ie
I see in today's Irish Times that Darragh O'Se has tipped Kerry to win. Says it'll be a shootout and the team with the best set of forwards will win, and "I would trust our forwards more than Dublin's".
Quote from: Hound on August 07, 2013, 08:22:47 AM
I see in today's Irish Times that Darragh O'Se has tipped Kerry to win...
Yeah, and he tipped Monaghan to beat ourselves... ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 07, 2013, 09:50:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 07, 2013, 08:22:47 AM
I see in today's Irish Times that Darragh O'Se has tipped Kerry to win...
Yeah, and he tipped Monaghan to beat ourselves... ;)
Hes hardly going to say otherwise is he .....................................at least Darragh is honest and feels\knows Kerry can beat Dublin unlike what Eamon Fitz has come out with
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Well when we build half you clubhouses and pitches for you- you can't begrudge us saving a tenner can you? ;)
Unless you enjoy getting togged out under a tree?
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
What about Newstalks favourite little bitch................Parky, besides its Mayos to loose, this is just a curtain raiser...............................infact this is like kerrys all ireland
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Yep. Policy to do so since the reduction brought in in 2008 and 2010 to the benefit of Cork supporters. Any county that gets to both semi finals will benefit also in the future.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2013, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Well when we build half you clubhouses and pitches for you- you can't begrudge us saving a tenner can you? ;)
Unless you enjoy getting togged out under a tree?
Under a tree? There was none of that, we always had fine places to put on the gear.
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Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
What about Newstalks favourite little bitch................Parky, besides its Mayos to loose, this is just a curtain raiser...............................infact this is like kerrys all ireland
Parky...........is..............................doing...................better..................than...............................his...........................talents......................deserve...........................................
Quote from: Canalman on August 07, 2013, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Yep. Policy to do so since the reduction brought in in 2008 and 2010 to the benefit of Cork supporters. Any county that gets to both semi finals will benefit also in the future.
Soon every Dublin hurling game will be played in Croke Park, jus like the football.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 01:16:37 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 07, 2013, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 12:31:06 PM
A nice reduction in prices for the GAAs favorite child. What more can they do to hand ye an All Ireland once again?
Yep. Policy to do so since the reduction brought in in 2008 and 2010 to the benefit of Cork supporters. Any county that gets to both semi finals will benefit also in the future.
Soon every Dublin hurling game will be played in Croke Park, jus like the football.
Soon every second laois man will develop peptic ulcers from holding onto that bitter hate and disdain they have for the capital.............................let it go its an awful lot of hate you are carrying around
Wouldn't mind getting on the Hill for the semis but the only thing for sale is the Nally. Obviously I'd be supporting the Dubs against those Kerry hoors 8)
Aint no hate here track marks.
I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
Dont Matter 20:03
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
Wouldn't mind getting on the Hill for the semis but the only thing for sale is the Nally. Obviously I'd be supporting the Dubs against those Kerry hoors 8)
Good man Syferus ;D
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
Wouldn't mind getting on the Hill for the semis but the only thing for sale is the Nally. Obviously I'd be supporting the Dubs against those Kerry hoors 8)
Nally is pretty much the same as the Hill.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 07, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
Wouldn't mind getting on the Hill for the semis but the only thing for sale is the Nally. Obviously I'd be supporting the Dubs against those Kerry hoors 8)
Nally is pretty much the same as the Hill.
Ah it isnt really, lets be honest.................... however if its a last option for a ticket snap it up
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
You should probably find somewhere else to post your fantasies.
Look I know I humiliated you over on non-GAA section a while back but that's no reason to be chasing me around here nipping at my ankles like an angry poodle ;D It just reinforces that lapdog image I have of you that Seafoid exploits so well.
Comes back too roost doesnt it sheehy, your fondness for dogs and poodles, posting pictures of boxers holes.................................indeed Id say you sit at home alone, dog, you and can of pedigree chum.............................
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
You should probably find somewhere else to post your fantasies.
Look I know I humiliated you over on non-GAA section a while back but that's no reason to be chasing me around here nipping at my ankles like an angry poodle ;D It just reinforces that lapdog image I have of you that Seafoid exploits so well.
You think shouting 'anti-semite' at everyone that has a different opinion to you, is humiliating them?
Obviously it takes a particular level of genius to be able to shout anti-semite at everything, but I just can't see the humiliation bit myself.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2013, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 07, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
Wouldn't mind getting on the Hill for the semis but the only thing for sale is the Nally. Obviously I'd be supporting the Dubs against those Kerry hoors 8)
Nally is pretty much the same as the Hill.
Ah it isnt really, lets be honest.................... however if its a last option for a ticket snap it up
Got myself a few Nally tickets. This was the last Kerry v Dublin game i was at http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2009/0803/252826-dublin_kerry1/ i hope this game is more value for money.
Jesus, I have two stalkers.
Lets be clear lads, both of you started these latest spats. If you want to start the insults don't start crying when you get a response.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2013, 05:10:28 PM
Jesus, I have two stalkers.
Lets be clear lads, both of you started these latest spats. If you want to start the insults don't start crying when you get a response.
Hang on, are you humiliating me or are you making me cry? Which fantasy is it?
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2013, 05:10:28 PM
Jesus, I have two stalkers.
Lets be clear lads, both of you started these latest spats. If you want to start the insults don't start crying when you get a response.
Hang on, are you humiliating me or are you making me cry? Which fantasy is it?
Just ask Seafoid. I'm sure he will fill you in on what your emotional state should be.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2013, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2013, 05:10:28 PM
Jesus, I have two stalkers.
Lets be clear lads, both of you started these latest spats. If you want to start the insults don't start crying when you get a response.
Hang on, are you humiliating me or are you making me cry? Which fantasy is it?
Just ask Seafoid. I'm sure he will fill you in on what your emotional state should be.
Why would I ask anyone else? You are the self-appointed expert on what anonymous people on the internet, that you have never met, are feeling.
When they call you out on it then you call them stalkers or other names.
Bravo.
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
Why would I ask anyone else? You are the self-appointed expert on what anonymous people on the internet, that you have never met, are feeling.
When they call you out on it then you call them stalkers or other names.
Bravo.
yeah, well, I consider waiting for some random opportunity to have an unprovoked pop counts as a form of stalking
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
sickening, sickening arrogance
Don't be too hard on yourself.
dont start shitfights if you are going to get so wound up about them.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2013, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
Why would I ask anyone else? You are the self-appointed expert on what anonymous people on the internet, that you have never met, are feeling.
When they call you out on it then you call them stalkers or other names.
Bravo.
yeah, well, I consider waiting for some random opportunity to have an unprovoked pop counts as a form of stalking
Quote from: muppet on August 06, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 06, 2013, 01:35:22 PM
sickening, sickening arrogance
Don't be too hard on yourself.
dont start shitfights if you are going to get so wound up about them.
Humiliated, crying........now I am wound up?
And as for unprovoked pops, I thought that was your sole reason for being here. You don't have the patent on it.
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Humiliated, crying........now I am wound up?
And as for unprovoked pops, I thought that was your sole reason for being here. You don't have the patent on it.
Thats for sure. You , for one, are a past master at it.
Mick warns Paul Galvin about Jack McCaffrey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l23iS-TSUSY
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 09, 2013, 03:57:35 PM
Mick warns Paul Galvin about Jack McCaffrey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l23iS-TSUSY
Looks more like Mickey Harte talking to Gormley.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 09, 2013, 03:57:35 PM
Mick warns Paul Galvin about Jack McCaffrey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l23iS-TSUSY
Dr McCaffreys son plays a clean game though.......................none of that loutish fish hooks and what not
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
Really hope those rumors aren't true Squire. He's a joy to watch.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
If true it might be the difference in winning and losing the AI.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
From what I'm told it's not true.
Quote from: heffo on August 14, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
From what I'm told it's not true.
Good stuff, I hope your on the money heffo
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 14, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
From what I'm told it's not true.
Good stuff, I hope your on the money heffo
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-play-down-fears-over-mccaffrey-injury-29500978.html
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 14, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 14, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Rumours abound...............................Dr McCaffreys son has broken ones arm in training last night.....................................speculation amounts
From what I'm told it's not true.
Good stuff, I hope your on the money heffo
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-play-down-fears-over-mccaffrey-injury-29500978.html
It's only a sore thumb lads.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Normally I would say that Kerry were a big danger going into a big game like this whilst waiting in the long grass to produce a big performance and bring the Dubs down to size. However I honestly don't think it's in this Kerry team anymore. Their build up play is too slow and laboured and lacks any great pace or incisiveness. Players such as Tomas OSe and Galvin don't have the engines they once had. How in Gods name will Galvin keep up with McCaffrey. Kerry may still retain a lot of good footballers but to paraphrase Martin Carney, I think the music died for a lot of those fellows a year or two ago. Imo this will be the more one sided of the 2 semi finals.
Tomas O Se more then still has the engine. Having a fine season. That's lazy analysis based on a birth-cert.
On form all things point to a Dublin win. But form goes out of the window when we play Kerry.
When you're an older team you target certain matches. Cavan wasn't one of them. Tipperary wasn't one of them.
Cork was and they ripped them to shreds in the first half. Kerry's aim all season has been with the minimum of fuss to make the semis and they've done it.
When you've got the all-ireland medals in the arse pocket like these guys have the performance is always in there.
Nail on head
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Had there been a GAA board in the 70s this thread would have been at about page 400 at the minute.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Quote from: heffo on August 16, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Somehow he will find 10 Roscommon men on the Dublin and Kerry teams through their great great great great grandaddys pet cat, he will claim that Lucan is East Roscommon and Tarbert players should rightfully be donning the Primrose and Blue.
Be ready to be reminded Kerry lads about 2006 and Ennis when 542,617 Rossies filled the stands.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 16, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 16, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Somehow he will find 10 Roscommon men on the Dublin and Kerry teams through their great great great great grandaddys pet cat, he will claim that Lucan is East Roscommon and Tarbert players should rightfully be donning the Primrose and Blue.
Be ready to be reminded Kerry lads about 2006 and Ennis when 542,617 Rossies filled the stands.
Still sore that a Roscommon man will be lifting Sam in September, I guess.
It's on like Donkey Kong!! Let's get this started......
Snapshots of a rivalry
84/85 - Old enough to hate and fear them, not old enough to understand why. I was three in 78 and didn't know why my father spoke with such trepidation of them. They were aliens with exotic names - Ogie, Paidi, Ambrose, Jacko. We were in our pomp, clattering culchies on our way to Cork, winning Sam and infamy against Galway, big and brash as Joe McNally's tache. And of course we matched them - weren't Rock and Duff the best strike force out there, wasn't John O'Leary the best shot stopper in the country, wasn't Mullins the best midfielder in the country? Once maybe, but along with my memories of Jack O'Shea's loping strides was the feeling of inevitability about it all. My innocence gone forever, mingled feelings of hatred and disgust - and insult added to injury by my sadistic headmaster from the Kingdom who constantly rubbed it in and dangled promises of days off if the Dubs beat Kerry. He must have known something - the pain was just beginning.
2001 - Surely it wasn't that long! It was and despite annual jousts in the league, this was the first time in 16 years that there was blood in the water. They had faded and we had emerged, but we never had their efficiency. Despite dominating the early 90s in Leinster and the League, all we had to show was an All Ireland where we staggered over the line. Away we faded again and they found themselves - and what a discovery. Daragh O'Se, Dara O Cinneide, the Pony himself and the silent genius - the embodiment of Kerry football - Maurice Fitz. We travelled not in hope - Meath beat us by three points in the Leinster Final but they hadn't roused themselves to do so. It looked like we would suffer a double indignity that year. And yet...
We travelled down the night before, did the dog on it in The County Bar and Hayes', stood on the Killainin end and dreamed once more of stealing victory from the culchies' lair. And think about it, Collie and Dessie missed chances that physics students are still trying to figure out how the ball avoided the net. 8 points down and still in it - Vinny's gonna get ya, and he did, Darren Homan popped up to write his name into the annals and then.....to say we were there to witness it is inaccurate becasue we didn't, couldn't appreciate Maurice's kick inside the stadium. I'm proud to say that inside Larry's Bar that night, jsut off the square in Thurles, a blue clad crowd applauded a kick as Tommy Carr's purple veined face howled, as a stadium swooned and as one man bent the air to his own devices. Thank God for the Sunday Game.
And the next week? Just as much drink and craic but again that inevitable feeling. We had heart but were limited and they had what seemed an unlimited supply of artists. Pride redeemed but we were a long way off. There's a big difference between a rivalry and a beating...
More to follow
Quote from: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 16, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 16, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Somehow he will find 10 Roscommon men on the Dublin and Kerry teams through their great great great great grandaddys pet cat, he will claim that Lucan is East Roscommon and Tarbert players should rightfully be donning the Primrose and Blue.
Be ready to be reminded Kerry lads about 2006 and Ennis when 542,617 Rossies filled the stands.
Still sore that a Roscommon man will be lifting Sam in September, I guess.
I think you mean the Tom Markham cup there Syferus cause as far as I know you were knocked out of the race for Sam by Tyrone in the qualifiers!!
I am not suprised that you get a but confused about all matter GAA when you still can't grasp that Ballagh is Mayo for GAA players hence the men/woman that chose to play for the club considers themselves Mayomen/Mayowomen not being bothered by some admintrative or government clasification as to where Ballagh lies for administrative purposes ;)
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2013, 03:15:36 PM
It's on like Donkey Kong!! Let's get this started......
Snapshots of a rivalry
84/85 - Old enough to hate and fear them, not old enough to understand why. I was three in 78 and didn't know why my father spoke with such trepidation of them. They were aliens with exotic names - Ogie, Paidi, Ambrose, Jacko. We were in our pomp, clattering culchies on our way to Cork, winning Sam and infamy against Galway, big and brash as Joe McNally's tache. And of course we matched them - weren't Rock and Duff the best strike force out there, wasn't John O'Leary the best shot stopper in the country, wasn't Mullins the best midfielder in the country? Once maybe, but along with my memories of Jack O'Shea's loping strides was the feeling of inevitability about it all. My innocence gone forever, mingled feelings of hatred and disgust - and insult added to injury by my sadistic headmaster from the Kingdom who constantly rubbed it in and dangled promises of days off if the Dubs beat Kerry. He must have known something - the pain was just beginning.
2001 - Surely it wasn't that long! It was and despite annual jousts in the league, this was the first time in 16 years that there was blood in the water. They had faded and we had emerged, but we never had their efficiency. Despite dominating the early 90s in Leinster and the League, all we had to show was an All Ireland where we staggered over the line. Away we faded again and they found themselves - and what a discovery. Daragh O'Se, Dara O Cinneide, the Pony himself and the silent genius - the embodiment of Kerry football - Maurice Fitz. We travelled not in hope - Meath beat us by three points in the Leinster Final but they hadn't roused themselves to do so. It looked like we would suffer a double indignity that year. And yet...
We travelled down the night before, did the dog on it in The County Bar and Hayes', stood on the Killainin end and dreamed once more of stealing victory from the culchies' lair. And think about it, Collie and Dessie missed chances that physics students are still trying to figure out how the ball avoided the net. 8 points down and still in it - Vinny's gonna get ya, and he did, Darren Homan popped up to write his name into the annals and then.....to say we were there to witness it is inaccurate becasue we didn't, couldn't appreciate Maurice's kick inside the stadium. I'm proud to say that inside Larry's Bar that night, jsut off the square in Thurles, a blue clad crowd applauded a kick as Tommy Carr's purple veined face howled, as a stadium swooned and as one man bent the air to his own devices. Thank God for the Sunday Game.
And the next week? Just as much drink and craic but again that inevitable feeling. We had heart but were limited and they had what seemed an unlimited supply of artists. Pride redeemed but we were a long way off. There's a big difference between a rivalry and a beating...
More to follow
I think you will get the happy ending you got in 2011 around 5p.m. on the 1st of Sept coming easytiger and probably in a more realxed last ten mins too although I doubt much Dubs will care what way a win comes along against the Kingdom.
Quote from: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 16, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 16, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Somehow he will find 10 Roscommon men on the Dublin and Kerry teams through their great great great great grandaddys pet cat, he will claim that Lucan is East Roscommon and Tarbert players should rightfully be donning the Primrose and Blue.
Be ready to be reminded Kerry lads about 2006 and Ennis when 542,617 Rossies filled the stands.
Still sore that a Roscommon man will be lifting Sam in September, I guess.
We need to do some about the Rosquitos:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsIzNf5JpeRnn7JcCpmSnl01oTh7R1ueVDUuCZERU10hFQFCfeTQ)
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2013, 03:15:36 PM
It's on like Donkey Kong!! Let's get this started......
Snapshots of a rivalry
84/85 - Old enough to hate and fear them, not old enough to understand why. I was three in 78 and didn't know why my father spoke with such trepidation of them. They were aliens with exotic names - Ogie, Paidi, Ambrose, Jacko. We were in our pomp, clattering culchies on our way to Cork, winning Sam and infamy against Galway, big and brash as Joe McNally's tache. And of course we matched them - weren't Rock and Duff the best strike force out there, wasn't John O'Leary the best shot stopper in the country, wasn't Mullins the best midfielder in the country? Once maybe, but along with my memories of Jack O'Shea's loping strides was the feeling of inevitability about it all. My innocence gone forever, mingled feelings of hatred and disgust - and insult added to injury by my sadistic headmaster from the Kingdom who constantly rubbed it in and dangled promises of days off if the Dubs beat Kerry. He must have known something - the pain was just beginning.
2001 - Surely it wasn't that long! It was and despite annual jousts in the league, this was the first time in 16 years that there was blood in the water. They had faded and we had emerged, but we never had their efficiency. Despite dominating the early 90s in Leinster and the League, all we had to show was an All Ireland where we staggered over the line. Away we faded again and they found themselves - and what a discovery. Daragh O'Se, Dara O Cinneide, the Pony himself and the silent genius - the embodiment of Kerry football - Maurice Fitz. We travelled not in hope - Meath beat us by three points in the Leinster Final but they hadn't roused themselves to do so. It looked like we would suffer a double indignity that year. And yet...
We travelled down the night before, did the dog on it in The County Bar and Hayes', stood on the Killainin end and dreamed once more of stealing victory from the culchies' lair. And think about it, Collie and Dessie missed chances that physics students are still trying to figure out how the ball avoided the net. 8 points down and still in it - Vinny's gonna get ya, and he did, Darren Homan popped up to write his name into the annals and then.....to say we were there to witness it is inaccurate becasue we didn't, couldn't appreciate Maurice's kick inside the stadium. I'm proud to say that inside Larry's Bar that night, jsut off the square in Thurles, a blue clad crowd applauded a kick as Tommy Carr's purple veined face howled, as a stadium swooned and as one man bent the air to his own devices. Thank God for the Sunday Game.
And the next week? Just as much drink and craic but again that inevitable feeling. We had heart but were limited and they had what seemed an unlimited supply of artists. Pride redeemed but we were a long way off. There's a big difference between a rivalry and a beating...
More to follow
Cracking post, ET. You've a similar trajectory as myself, though I was going on 8 for the 78 final. First game I ever saw on tv. The fear instilled by that only started to fade when I saw us beat them in the league in Killarney a few years back!
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 16, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 16, 2013, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 16, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
You'd think that the two greatest rivals, in any sport in the world would have more posts than two counties with a mere 6 All Irelands shared between the two of them! :)
Out of respect for Mayo, Tyrone & Syferus, we're all hanging on until after ye're semi-final
Somehow he will find 10 Roscommon men on the Dublin and Kerry teams through their great great great great grandaddys pet cat, he will claim that Lucan is East Roscommon and Tarbert players should rightfully be donning the Primrose and Blue.
Be ready to be reminded Kerry lads about 2006 and Ennis when 542,617 Rossies filled the stands.
Still sore that a Roscommon man will be lifting Sam in September, I guess.
I think you mean the Tom Markham cup there Syferus cause as far as I know you were knocked out of the race for Sam by Tyrone in the qualifiers!!
I am not suprised that you get a but confused about all matter GAA when you still can't grasp that Ballagh is Mayo for GAA players hence the men/woman that chose to play for the club considers themselves Mayomen/Mayowomen not being bothered by some admintrative or government clasification as to where Ballagh lies for administrative purposes ;)
Roscommon minor soccer player Andy Moran will graciously accept Sam Maguire when the Combined Counties' inevitable march to glory ends in September.
A glorious day for Ballagh. Two AIs for the town in one day, both collected by Rossies? We're giving no one else a chance at this rate.
What are all these sheepstealers doing here? Not many rams to be rustled round De Nortside.....
Anyhoo ...
2004 was the ramshackle end to a ramshackle era. 5 points all at halftime and Whelo had rattled the crossbar from 30 yards out, sparking memories of his rocket against Armagh in 2002. But it was just the light dying, and it was fitting that Kerry's goal came from a ball that came back off the post. Dublin were flatfooted, Kerry stole in, game over. it was a parade of points, Galvin, O'Cinneide, Gooch, Mike Frank was still around...That was the day that we knew, as we lay bleeding on the tracks, that the light at the end of the tunnel had been the Sunday express from Killarney.
2007 and three successive Leinsters had beefed up our credentials, a good tussle with a Meath side with some pretensions had sharpened us and the general consensus was now or never. Never said Kerry and two images remain from that day - Gooch on the ball, stopping time as he pointed and directed his chess pieces around the board, playing the angles and finding the scores. As for us? Well we went on one of those second half rolls we used to specialise in, six points on the spin, playing football like the Stone Roses first album, stupendous, rushing, exhilarating - but ultimately, like the Roses, no follow up. Ray Cosgrove got on the end of a move and tried to replay his glorious finishing of 2002 - but it flashed wide. And all the while, the Gooch was in his bubble. 2 points and an ocean between us.
2009 - They say after a nuclear war, the only things that will survive will be cockroaches. This was our ground zero and the only surprise was how surprised we were. We'd fought our way put of a corner against Kildare and Gilroy seemed to have toughened us up. I was in the Premium with my brother and I'm ashamed to say we didn't leave the bar for the second half - there was an aul kerry wan beside us who from five minutes in was screaming at us to bring out Ciaran Whelan as well, they'd take care of him as well. Whelo rumbled on, the big white gloves, the same soaring catches - and nothing in front of him to hit. It was no way for the big Blue to go out. We poured one on the kerb for him and his team. But the darkest hour is always before the dawn...
Kerry will rip down Dublin in a display of cynicism that will trump anything ever seen before
off the ball with this game abit, but watching dublin v Kildare 92, the dubs should been 2 men down after 20mins with K Barr fisty cuffs and J Sheedy punch on the back of glen ryan head when he was on his knees. G the refs didnt half let thinsg go in them days, they be red carded pretty quick these days
On another note what a net busting goal from Keith Barr, mighty goal
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
What are all these sheepstealers doing here? Not many rams to be rustled round De Nortside.....
Anyhow...
2004 was the ramshackle end to a ramshackle era. 5 points all at halftime and Whelo had rattled the crossbar from 30 yards out, sparking memories of his rocket against Armagh in 2002. But it was just the light dying, and it was fitting that Kerry's goal came from a ball that came back off the post. Dublin were flatfooted, Kerry stole in, game over. it was a parade of points, Galvin, O'Cinneide, Gooch, Mike Frank was still around...That was the day that we knew, as we lay bleeding on the tracks, that the light at the end of the tunnel had been the Sunday express from Killarney.
2007 and three successive Leinsters had beefed up our credentials, a good tussle with a Meath side with some pretensions had sharpened us and the general consensus was now or never. Never said Kerry and two images remain from that day - Gooch on the ball, stopping time as he pointed and directed his chess pieces around the board, playing the angles and finding the scores. As for us? Well we went on one of those second half rolls we used to specialise in, six points on the spin, playing football like the Stone Roses first album, stupendous, rushing, exhilarating - but ultimately, like the Roses, no follow up. Ray Cosgrove got on the end of a move and tried to replay his glorious finishing of 2002 - but it flashed wide. And all the while, the Gooch was in his bubble. 2 points and an ocean between us.
2009 - They say after a nuclear war, the only things that will survive will be cockroaches. This was our ground zero and the only surprise was how surprised we were. We'd fought our way put of a corner against Kildare and Gilroy seemed to have toughened us up. I was in the Premium with my brother and I'm ashamed to say we didn't leave the bar for the second half - there was an aul kerry wan beside us who from five minutes in was screaming at us to bring out Ciaran Whelan as well, they'd take care of him as well. Whelo rumbled on, the big white gloves, the same soaring catches - and nothing in front of him to hit. It was no way for the big Blue to go out. We poured one on the kerb for him and his team. But the darkest hour is always before the dawn...
There's probably more Rossies in Dublin than in Roscommon this stage.
This match is a foregone conclusion, and that's coming from someone that's going to be attending it. Happy to get another chance to see Gooch in action, though.
Quote from: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
What are all these sheepstealers doing here? Not many rams to be rustled round De Nortside.....
Anyhow...
2004 was the ramshackle end to a ramshackle era. 5 points all at halftime and Whelo had rattled the crossbar from 30 yards out, sparking memories of his rocket against Armagh in 2002. But it was just the light dying, and it was fitting that Kerry's goal came from a ball that came back off the post. Dublin were flatfooted, Kerry stole in, game over. it was a parade of points, Galvin, O'Cinneide, Gooch, Mike Frank was still around...That was the day that we knew, as we lay bleeding on the tracks, that the light at the end of the tunnel had been the Sunday express from Killarney.
2007 and three successive Leinsters had beefed up our credentials, a good tussle with a Meath side with some pretensions had sharpened us and the general consensus was now or never. Never said Kerry and two images remain from that day - Gooch on the ball, stopping time as he pointed and directed his chess pieces around the board, playing the angles and finding the scores. As for us? Well we went on one of those second half rolls we used to specialise in, six points on the spin, playing football like the Stone Roses first album, stupendous, rushing, exhilarating - but ultimately, like the Roses, no follow up. Ray Cosgrove got on the end of a move and tried to replay his glorious finishing of 2002 - but it flashed wide. And all the while, the Gooch was in his bubble. 2 points and an ocean between us.
2009 - They say after a nuclear war, the only things that will survive will be cockroaches. This was our ground zero and the only surprise was how surprised we were. We'd fought our way put of a corner against Kildare and Gilroy seemed to have toughened us up. I was in the Premium with my brother and I'm ashamed to say we didn't leave the bar for the second half - there was an aul kerry wan beside us who from five minutes in was screaming at us to bring out Ciaran Whelan as well, they'd take care of him as well. Whelo rumbled on, the big white gloves, the same soaring catches - and nothing in front of him to hit. It was no way for the big Blue to go out. We poured one on the kerb for him and his team. But the darkest hour is always before the dawn...
There's probably more Rossies in Dublin than in Roscommon this stage.
This match is a foregone conclusion, and that's coming from someone that's going to be attending it. Happy to get another chance to see Gooch in action, though.
You're into the Gooch action are ya Syf lad? :o
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2013, 10:20:37 PM
off the ball with this game abit, but watching dublin v Kildare 92, the dubs should been 2 men down after 20mins with K Barr fisty cuffs and J Sheedy punch on the back of glen ryan head when he was on his knees. G the refs didnt half let thinsg go in them days, they be red carded pretty quick these days
On another note what a net busting goal from Keith Barr, mighty goal
and not one kildare player threw a punch
Joe Brolly's article and its hard to argue with any of it really. I think this Kerry team have been one of the great sides of modern times but next week could see the end of a lot of their careers.
Brolly: Gooch not doing the hard yards
Age old rivals Dublin and Kerry are due to cross swords in the All-Ireland SFC semi-final on Sunday week and, speaking on FQfm digital radio station, the RTE pundit questioned Cooper's suitability to the number 11 jersey.
"Cooper at centre half-forward is good in the sense that it frees him from the restrictions of the full-forward line but the problem is he's looking for easy ball around the half-back line.
"He's not doing the primary role of a centre half-forward. If you look at Brian McGuigan or Greg Blaney, players like that, they could also win the breaking ball, the hard yards.
"A centre-forward must do the hard yards and that's just not the type of footballer Colm is. He's looking for easy ball and it's going to be very, very difficult for him."
Comparing the 'Gooch' to up-and-coming Dublin star Kilkenny, the 1993 All-Ireland Derry winner said: "He's (Kilkenny) proper, he's powerful and he's a battler.
"Colm is peerless in terms of his skills but I'm on record as saying that I don't believe he cane lead a team in adversity and I've never seen him lead a team in adversity. There's a huge burden on his shoulders and he's not just that type of person."
Brolly also raised doubts over Paul Galvin's stamina and Kieran Donaghy's role in the Kingdom game plan.
"Paul Galvin's engine is nowhere near where it was. He's happy now to pick up a breaking ball in or around the half-back line and hand-pass it off, a wee nice kick-pass.
"The modern game, the wing-forward template, is Paul Flynn or Mark McHugh etc., workaholic flying machines who can play from box to box for 70 minutes.
"They don't know how to use Kieran Donaghy. Are they going to kick the ball or are they not going to kick the ball? Because they've been so defensive it's difficult for them to get the ball forward quickly. Declan O'Sullivan is not a natural corner-forward.
"James O'Donoghue looks very, very good but aside from that they have wholesale problems. Eamonn Fitzmaurice has clearly decided that he wants to play like Donegal and that's been the template and you can see that."
Comparing the 'Gooch' to up-and-coming Dublin star Kilkenny, the 1993 All-Ireland Derry winner said: "He's (Kilkenny) proper, he's powerful and he's a battler.
As opposed to gooch being improper,weak and timid?
Joe must have read http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=23611.0 ;)
Match is now sold out
I didn't realise there was another semi-final.....
Yep. Nothing to be too pushed about. Akin to shuffleboarding on the Titanic if what you read on the other threads is to be believed. ;)
Quote from: Canalman on August 23, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
Yep. Nothing to be too pushed about. Akin to shuffleboarding on the Titanic if what you read on the other threads is to be believed. ;)
Hard to see the Dubs beating Tyrone given Mickey Harte is in charge.
No doubt Ros being on the bill was the clincher. No Dubs would miss a chance to see the Primrose and Blue in action.
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Dublin won't need to improve their support (a big weakness that may come back to haunt them in the final) and I'd wager that they mightn't even need to put in a stellar performance to pull away from Kerry in the final 20 minutes. You need to drop ball into the square to expose the Dublin full-back line properly and Star hasn't shown anything in the last two years to suggest he's up to that job.
This is a bigger mis-match than Mayo-Tyrone and Kerry will likely play much like your own county do and blanket up and sit back and try to soak up as much pressure as possible and hope to expose Dublin on the break.
This is a Kerry team playing plan B from the start and that is never a good situation to be in. If the legs were still there Kerry would be playing a style of football that resembles the way Mayo are playing, not playing to a game-plan that they seem to have found in Mickey Harte's dust bin. They are cutting their cloth to fit their capabilities but the fact remains their capabilities are too limited to make beating Dublin or winning an AI a realistic goal.
Expectations (both on the panel and in the county) have set the bar far too high for Kerry to succeed against the standards they've set themselves. It's the price you pay for being a great team in the past, I guess. This is a rebuilding year, not an AI-chasing one.
I'm told there 5 starters injured for us. Jack mc and James mc being 2 of dem. not so convident now atall. And Frum a good sorse too.
Quote from: BartSimpson on August 24, 2013, 12:28:50 AM
I'm told there 5 starters injured for us. Jack mc and James mc being 2 of dem. not so convident now atall. And Frum a good sorse too.
How injured, though? If Jack Mc is just the lacerated thumb that was mentioned before it shouldn't effect his involvement. Were they all unavailable, though it would certain give Kerry a chink of hope. The pace in the half-back line is what kills teams.
Quote from: BartSimpson on August 24, 2013, 12:28:50 AM
I'm told there 5 starters injured for us. Jack mc and James mc being 2 of dem. not so convident now atall. And Frum a good sorse too.
Who told you that, Homer?
Any word of Bryan Sheehan's fitness or otherwise ?
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Dublin won't need to improve their support (a big weakness that may come back to haunt them in the final) and I'd wager that they mightn't even need to put in a stellar performance to pull away from Kerry in the final 20 minutes. You need to drop ball into the square to expose the Dublin full-back line properly and Star hasn't shown anything in the last two years to suggest he's up to that job.
This is a bigger mis-match than Mayo-Tyrone and Kerry will likely play much like your own county do and blanket up and sit back and try to soak up as much pressure as possible and hope to expose Dublin on the break.
This is a Kerry team playing plan B from the start and that is never a good situation to be in. If the legs were still there Kerry would be playing a style of football that resembles the way Mayo are playing, not playing to a game-plan that they seem to have found in Mickey Harte's dust bin. They are cutting their cloth to fit their capabilities but the fact remains their capabilities are too limited to make beating Dublin or winning an AI a realistic goal.
Expectations (both on the panel and in the county) have set the bar far too high for Kerry to succeed against the standards they've set themselves. It's the price you pay for being a great team in the past, I guess. This is a rebuilding year, not an AI-chasing one.
You are sounding like Roy Curtis
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Dublin won't need to improve their support (a big weakness that may come back to haunt them in the final) and I'd wager that they mightn't even need to put in a stellar performance to pull away from Kerry in the final 20 minutes. You need to drop ball into the square to expose the Dublin full-back line properly and Star hasn't shown anything in the last two years to suggest he's up to that job.
This is a bigger mis-match than Mayo-Tyrone and Kerry will likely play much like your own county do and blanket up and sit back and try to soak up as much pressure as possible and hope to expose Dublin on the break.
This is a Kerry team playing plan B from the start and that is never a good situation to be in. If the legs were still there Kerry would be playing a style of football that resembles the way Mayo are playing, not playing to a game-plan that they seem to have found in Mickey Harte's dust bin. They are cutting their cloth to fit their capabilities but the fact remains their capabilities are too limited to make beating Dublin or winning an AI a realistic goal.
Expectations (both on the panel and in the county) have set the bar far too high for Kerry to succeed against the standards they've set themselves. It's the price you pay for being a great team in the past, I guess. This is a rebuilding year, not an AI-chasing one.
You are sounding like Roy Curtis
If Roy Curtis was right, sure. I think it's hard to disaagree with anything I said and your response is telling.
People need to realise the emperor has been running around in the nip for the last two years and not be engaging in foolish servitude to the past. This isn't Kerry's time for many reasons.
No Syferus, Kerry are in an All Ireland Semi Final, They aren't going to lie down. The games against Cork and Cavan were over at half time - both teams made good fight backs alright. And Cork could possibly have won - But they are not going to let Dublin run away with it.. Last chance for O Se and maybe Galvin to win Sam, they aren't going to go to go down without a fight..
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Should have won the All Ireland in 2011, so a little revenge there as well. A flukey Donegal goal from a side line ball was the difference in the Quarter final last year. They also lost Declan O Sullivan and Cooper in the second half through injury.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
No Syferus, Kerry are in an All Ireland Semi Final, They aren't going to lie down. The games against Cork and Cavan were over at half time - both teams made good fight backs alright. And Cork could possibly have won - But they are not going to let Dublin run away with it.. Last chance for O Se and maybe Galvin to win Sam, they aren't going to go to go down without a fight..
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Should have won the All Ireland in 2011, so a little revenge there as well. A flukey Donegal goal from a side line ball was the difference in the Quarter final last year. They also lost Declan O Sullivan and Cooper in the second half through injury.
Should have, but didn't. It's the two years of consistent form that's below that level that tells me we don't have to worry too much about Kerry beating Dublin. It's not 2009 either where a still relatively prime Kerry team were just stuck in a season-long funk. This time the Kerry team is certifiably old and significantly slower than what they will be facing on Sunday week. Dublin have a large margin of error whereas Kerry would need a dream sequence of events to win.
2011 was this team's last chance. The reason they're in the last four is partly because they're still a top 5-7 team and because they had the soft landing that is a Munster championship draw with Cork on the opposite side, until Tipp emerge that is a cast-iron guarantee of last 12 football at the very worst.
They'll play to their heritage and play with that same customary pride (few teams that reach AISFs lie down anyways) and probably hit the ground running but it'll still be very likely to be entirely fruitless after 70 minutes.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
No Syferus, Kerry are in an All Ireland Semi Final, They aren't going to lie down. The games against Cork and Cavan were over at half time - both teams made good fight backs alright. And Cork could possibly have won - But they are not going to let Dublin run away with it.. Last chance for O Se and maybe Galvin to win Sam, they aren't going to go to go down without a fight..
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Should have won the All Ireland in 2011, so a little revenge there as well. A flukey Donegal goal from a side line ball was the difference in the Quarter final last year. They also lost Declan O Sullivan and Cooper in the second half through injury.
Should have, but didn't. It's the two years of consistent form that's below level that tells me we don't have to worry too much about Kerry beating Dublin. It's not 2009 either where a still relatively prime Kerry team were just stuck in a season-long funk. This time the Kerry team is certifiably old and significantly slower than what they will be facing on Sunday week. Dublin have a large margin of error whereas Kerry would need a dream sequence of events to win.
2011 was this team's last chance. The reason they're in the last four is partly because they're still a top 5-7 team and because they had the soft landing that is a Munster championship draw with Cork on the opposite side, until Tipp emerge that is a cast-iron guarantee of last 12 football at the very worst.
They'll play to their heritage and play with that same customary pride (few teams that reach AISFs lie down anyways) and probably hit the ground running but it'll still be very likely to be entirely fruitless after 70 minutes.
Great that you have that opinion but I wouldn't agree. I also think Dublin are over hyped . Meath with a little more conviction should have had put Dublin away - Dublin got a late burst that killed the game. While Dublin had plenty of goal chances against Cork - they also gifted plenty of goal chances to Cork - which Cork didn't capitalise on. Kerry would put away those chances. If Kerry can stay with Dublin - which I think they will despite the old legs. Then I think they will win.
You have to remember Kerry have pacey players too, like Darren O Sullivan who Dublin always struggle to contain & James O Donoghue missed the Cavan game, another speed merchant.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Aidan is out for this game at least. His elbow wound from the op he had got infected. Thought you'd have your finger on the pulse of your 2nd favourite county Syf?!
Have to say Rodney Trotter, like many, seems to be totally overestimating Moran...he is a sub midfielder/forward who has played 1 game against weak opposition since returning from a 2 year lay off..if we're relying on him, we're in trouble.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 24, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Aidan is out for this game at least. His elbow wound from the op he had got infected. Thought you'd have your finger on the pulse of your 2nd favourite county Syf?!
Have to say Rodney Trotter, like many, seems to be totally overestimating Moran...he is a sub midfielder/forward who has played 1 game against weak opposition since returning from a 2 year lay off..if we're relying on him, we're in trouble.
Jesus, that's tough luck on O'Mahony. I assume Brosnan still isn't going to make the team even though he's the captain? While we're on Dr. Crokes, what happened to Brian Looney? He was in stellar form this year yet didn't break into a pretty open Kerry team this year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 24, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 24, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Ridiculous the way people have been writing off Kerry all year. They still have the class regardless of age - and have David Moran back. A brilliant player who has been very unfortunate with Injuries for the last 2 years.
Do you think the likes of the O'Ses and O'Mahony are going to get leg transplants or something? Dublin have speed to burn and there isn't a hope in the world that Kerry could hang with that pace for 70 minutes. Is Paul Galvin able to mark Jack Mc or James McCarthy for even the majority of a game?
Aidan is out for this game at least. His elbow wound from the op he had got infected. Thought you'd have your finger on the pulse of your 2nd favourite county Syf?!
Have to say Rodney Trotter, like many, seems to be totally overestimating Moran...he is a sub midfielder/forward who has played 1 game against weak opposition since returning from a 2 year lay off..if we're relying on him, we're in trouble.
Jesus, that's tough luck on O'Mahony. I assume Brosnan still isn't going to make the team even though he's the captain? While we're on Dr. Crokes, what happened to Brian Looney? He was in stellar form this year yet didn't break into a pretty open Kerry team this year.
Yeah, could be the end for Aidan sadly. Owes us nothing..great career for a guy that didn't make the Kerry minor team. 4 Celtic crosses, 2 Allstars, MOM in AI Final.
Looney is a lovely kicker, but doesn't have the pace or physique for inter-county level. He struggles to put on bulk apparently. Unfortunate as he is brilliant at club level. I don't know what you mean by "open" Kerry forward line...Gooch, Galvin, Darran, Declan, O'Donoghue are all guaranteed starters in any kind of form..then you have Donaghy, Walsh, Curtin, Moran, Sheehan, O'Leary behind them.
As for the team composition..well ye'll have to wait for what emerges from behind the gates of the stadium in Killarney. ;)
Darren has been in-and-out of the starting line-up for years now, though I think he's extremely unlucky to be in that position. Only Gooch and O'Donoghue in the forward lines have marked themselves out as sure-fire starters this year. If Looney had been excelling (which I have to assume be wasn't in Fitz's eyes at least) then I don't think Fitzmaurice would have had much option but to start him, he'd certainly at least be in the group of spot-starters.
Pace would probably be the reason, like you said. You have to place an even larger premium on pace when you have a mainly veteran team.
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 02:19:09 PM
Darren has been in-and-out of the starting line-up for years now, though I think he's extremely unlucky to be in that position. Only Gooch and O'Donoghue in the forward lines have marked themselves out as sure-fire starters this year. If Looney had been excelling (which I have to assume be wasn't in Fitz's eye le at least) then I don't think Fitzmaurice would have had much option but to start him, he'd certainly at least be in the group of spot-starters.
The only serious game so far was the Munster final..Galvin, Darran and Declan were fairly outstanding in that game..but your mind tends to drift a bit when it comes to discussing Kerry, so its no surprise!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 24, 2013, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 02:19:09 PM
Darren has been in-and-out of the starting line-up for years now, though I think he's extremely unlucky to be in that position. Only Gooch and O'Donoghue in the forward lines have marked themselves out as sure-fire starters this year. If Looney had been excelling (which I have to assume be wasn't in Fitz's eye le at least) then I don't think Fitzmaurice would have had much option but to start him, he'd certainly at least be in the group of spot-starters.
The only serious game so far was the Munster final..Galvin, Darran and Declan were fairly outstanding in that game..but your mind tends to drift a bit when it comes to discussing Kerry, so its no surprise!
The Cavan game looked pretty serious when Kerry started falling apart in the second half!
Fitzmaurice allays Kingdom injury fears as Ó Sé 'fine'
Saturday, August 24, 2013
By John Fogarty
GAA Correspondent
Tomás Ó Sé has been declared fit by Eamonn Fitzmaurice ahead of Kerry's in-house training game today.
Fitzmaurice confirmed a clean bill of health for the behind-closed-doors game with five-time All-Ireland winner Ó Sé recovered from his recent back problems.
Bryan Sheehan (Achilles), Anthony Maher (back), Aidan O'Mahony (elbow), Jonathan Lyne (ankle) and James O'Donoghue (hamstring) are also good to go for the All-Ireland semi-final with Dublin on Sunday week.
"We have no injury concerns for the first time this year. We have an internal match tomorrow and it's the first time since I took over that I have a full squad available and that includes Tomás Ó Sé, who had a problem with his back, but he is fine.
"We trained on Wednesday night and he came through it. I have no concerns about at all and in fact the time off might have done him no harm because he has hardly missed a training session.
"James O'Donoghue is fine and even Jonathan Lyne is back training. It was his first bit of football in two months I would say.
"Aidan O'Mahony is fine and so is Bryan Sheehan. We will see after the [today's] game whether Jonathan Lyne will be able to play any part or not, because he has very little football played. He has made great progress and his fitness is grand."
The referee for tomorrow week's game has yet to be named with there being some trepidation in Kerry that 2011 All-Ireland referee Joe McQuillan may be appointed to the game.
Fitzmaurice insisted he wouldn't be worried were the Cavan official chosen to take charge. "You can look at that a couple of ways: the same as a player and a manager can have a bad day out. You know it yourself afterwards, you don't need anyone to tell you and the next day you go out you try and do the best again. I don't think that will be a factor one way or the other."
Although, he admitted he is surprised the referee hasn't yet been picked. "I suppose it will depend on the result of the other semi-final, whether it is a Connacht or Ulster team in the final might dictate who will get the final.
"Traditionally, the semi-final referees don't referee the final so I presume it is something to do with that.
"It is slightly unusual but it is not a big deal. All of the referees that will be in it are top refs so I wouldn't worry."
Meanwhile, Fitzmaurice said he doesn't pay much attention to Joe Brolly's punditry. The Derry native recently claimed the Finuge man was attempting to get Kerry playing like Donegal and criticised Colm Cooper's positioning "The thing about Joe is he calls it 'funditry', he's having a bit of craic. Maybe he does think we're playing like Donegal but I don't know what games he was at.
"Joe, he's a highly intelligent man. He picks at the high profile teams, at the high profile players. He gets a reaction, we're talking about him here, it's a bit of craic for him. I wouldn't take much notice of what he's saying, to be honest. Sometimes, when he actually focuses on the analysing of the game he can be quite sharp but a lot of the time he's trying to annoy someone or he's trying to get Pat Spillane going beside him or something."
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Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 24, 2013, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2013, 02:19:09 PM
Darren has been in-and-out of the starting line-up for years now, though I think he's extremely unlucky to be in that position. Only Gooch and O'Donoghue in the forward lines have marked themselves out as sure-fire starters this year. If Looney had been excelling (which I have to assume be wasn't in Fitz's eye le at least) then I don't think Fitzmaurice would have had much option but to start him, he'd certainly at least be in the group of spot-starters.
The only serious game so far was the Munster final..Galvin, Darran and Declan were fairly outstanding in that game..but your mind tends to drift a bit when it comes to discussing Kerry, so its no surprise!
The Cavan game looked pretty serious when Kerry started falling apart in the second half!
Falling apart? As my Tyrone friends would say..Catch yourself on..9 up at half time..won by 6. Non-event really. It was worrying how stuck to the ground some players were, but Kerry quarter finals are usually (with the odd exception) rancid affairs anyway, so it wasn't a huge surprise.
Quote from: Seamus on August 24, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
Fitzmaurice allays Kingdom injury fears as Ó Sé 'fine'
Saturday, August 24, 2013
By John Fogarty
GAA Correspondent
Tomás Ó Sé has been declared fit by Eamonn Fitzmaurice ahead of Kerry's in-house training game today.
Fitzmaurice confirmed a clean bill of health for the behind-closed-doors game with five-time All-Ireland winner Ó Sé recovered from his recent back problems.
Bryan Sheehan (Achilles), Anthony Maher (back), Aidan O'Mahony (elbow), Jonathan Lyne (ankle) and James O'Donoghue (hamstring) are also good to go for the All-Ireland semi-final with Dublin on Sunday week.
"We have no injury concerns for the first time this year. We have an internal match tomorrow and it's the first time since I took over that I have a full squad available and that includes Tomás Ó Sé, who had a problem with his back, but he is fine.
"We trained on Wednesday night and he came through it. I have no concerns about at all and in fact the time off might have done him no harm because he has hardly missed a training session.
"James O'Donoghue is fine and even Jonathan Lyne is back training. It was his first bit of football in two months I would say.
"Aidan O'Mahony is fine and so is Bryan Sheehan. We will see after the [today's] game whether Jonathan Lyne will be able to play any part or not, because he has very little football played. He has made great progress and his fitness is grand."
The referee for tomorrow week's game has yet to be named with there being some trepidation in Kerry that 2011 All-Ireland referee Joe McQuillan may be appointed to the game.
Fitzmaurice insisted he wouldn't be worried were the Cavan official chosen to take charge. "You can look at that a couple of ways: the same as a player and a manager can have a bad day out. You know it yourself afterwards, you don't need anyone to tell you and the next day you go out you try and do the best again. I don't think that will be a factor one way or the other."
Although, he admitted he is surprised the referee hasn't yet been picked. "I suppose it will depend on the result of the other semi-final, whether it is a Connacht or Ulster team in the final might dictate who will get the final.
"Traditionally, the semi-final referees don't referee the final so I presume it is something to do with that.
"It is slightly unusual but it is not a big deal. All of the referees that will be in it are top refs so I wouldn't worry."
Meanwhile, Fitzmaurice said he doesn't pay much attention to Joe Brolly's punditry. The Derry native recently claimed the Finuge man was attempting to get Kerry playing like Donegal and criticised Colm Cooper's positioning "The thing about Joe is he calls it 'funditry', he's having a bit of craic. Maybe he does think we're playing like Donegal but I don't know what games he was at.
"Joe, he's a highly intelligent man. He picks at the high profile teams, at the high profile players. He gets a reaction, we're talking about him here, it's a bit of craic for him. I wouldn't take much notice of what he's saying, to be honest. Sometimes, when he actually focuses on the analysing of the game he can be quite sharp but a lot of the time he's trying to annoy someone or he's trying to get Pat Spillane going beside him or something."
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Fitzmaurice strikes me as an astute manager, diplomatically putting pressure on the referee before the game if McQuillan does get the match. His comments on Brolly are also interesting, a sort of a put down to Brooly by more or less saying 'his opinion is irrelevant'. Unfortunately for Fitzmaurice I think he has taken on the Kerry job at a bad time and I can't see them troubling Dublin.
Syferus, Darren O'Sullivan outside of a stellar year in 2011 when he was a shoe in for Player of the Year if Kerry had won the All Ireland, in my opinion is far more effective off the bench. If Paul Geaney, a very dangerous corner forward, had not been injured for the last six months Darren may not have being starting. Don't be surprised If Paul Geaney starts against the Dubs with Darren introduced for the last twenty minutes.
Killian Young broke an ankle in an A V B match today. Eoin Brosnan in pole position now to start CHB.
Quote from: Seamus on August 24, 2013, 09:27:27 PM
Killian Young broke an ankle in an A V B match today. Eoin Brosnan in pole position now to start CHB.
Harsh on that lad...........good baller and rate him well ahead of Brosnan
Are all stand tickets sold out? Looking on tickets.ie this morning I only see terrance tickets for Nally Stand. Not sure if I when there would I actual see the match!
If anyone has two spare tickets for anywhere else, and are looking to offload them, please let me know and I'll buy them off you.
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 26, 2013, 01:09:45 PM
Are all stand tickets sold out? Looking on tickets.ie this morning I only see terrance tickets for Nally Stand. Not sure if I when there would I actual see the match!
If anyone has two spare tickets for anywhere else, and are looking to offload them, please let me know and I'll buy them off you.
Sorted by GAA themselves. Offering premium level tickets for Season ticket holders. Glad now I didn't settle for the Nally stand.
Going with a rake of Dubs next Sunday, in the upper hogan...full Mayo gear on me, should get an nice bit of stick!!
Officially sold out according to HQ - Now i'm struggling to remember the last time the Kingdom were involved in a sold out semi-final. So are they either (a) acknowledging that this is their last opportunity to see some of their warriors as those young fast city slickers are going to retire them or (b) travelling to see their boys reasserting their traditional dominance over dem durty dubs.
Can't make up my mind which it is ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
Going with a rake of Dubs next Sunday, in the upper hogan...full Mayo gear on me, should get an nice bit of stick!!
On big match days, I always feel the only jerseys worn around the venue should be the jerseys of the counties involved or the jersey of the host county. Anything else is just attention seeking.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
Going with a rake of Dubs next Sunday, in the upper hogan...full Mayo gear on me, should get an nice bit of stick!!
On big match days, I always feel the only jerseys worn around the venue should be the jerseys of the counties involved or the jersey of the host county. Anything else is just attention seeking.
I'm also going to have clown face paint and some sort of firework device shooting sparks from my arse....us Mayo folk are very attention seeking by the way... ;)
God be with the days when Mayo men were reluctant to wear their colours to their own games.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
Going with a rake of Dubs next Sunday, in the upper hogan...full Mayo gear on me, should get an nice bit of stick!!
On big match days, I always feel the only jerseys worn around the venue should be the jerseys of the counties involved or the jersey of the host county. Anything else is just attention seeking.
I'm also going to have clown face paint and some sort of firework device shooting sparks from my arse....us Mayo folk are very attention seeking by the way... ;)
Glad to see you're going to support the Ros. Top ladeen.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 26, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 26, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
Going with a rake of Dubs next Sunday, in the upper hogan...full Mayo gear on me, should get an nice bit of stick!!
On big match days, I always feel the only jerseys worn around the venue should be the jerseys of the counties involved or the jersey of the host county. Anything else is just attention seeking.
I'd be the opposite in my thinking. At the Clare/Limerick hulring game it was nice to see some Down, Antrim and Derry jerseys on the youngsters. I thought it was a fair representation of where the hurling major hurling fraternity is in the North and was glad that not all the young uns were abandoning their own in favour of the year's top counties.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 26, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
God be with the days when Mayo men were reluctant to wear their colours to their own games.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indeed plenty of geansai's yesterday and the oul woolen colours around the wrist.................yehawwwwwwwwwwwww
Any truth to the rumour that Kerry played massive stuff against Cork in a recent challenge match?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 07:28:09 PM
Any truth to the rumour that Kerry played massive stuff against Cork in a recent challenge match?
What the fúck are Cork at still playing challenge matches in August? Is the Turtle still running the ship?
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2013, 07:28:09 PM
Any truth to the rumour that Kerry played massive stuff against Cork in a recent challenge match?
What the fúck are Cork at still playing challenge matches in August? Is the Turtle still running the ship?
I'm with the Syf on this one.................................
Might have been CIT , think they are still involved in the Cork Club champ..
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 26, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
Might have been CIT , think they are still involved in the Cork Club champ..
Never got how Cork colleges play in the county championship. It creates so many anomalies. For one can cork natives play for their own clubs and the colleges in the same competition? Don't the colleges have to assemble for training outside of the school year, meaning plenty of players have to travel back to college in the summer to train?
Quote from: Declan on August 26, 2013, 03:33:57 PM
Officially sold out according to HQ - Now i'm struggling to remember the last time the Kingdom were involved in a sold out semi-final. So are they either (a) acknowledging that this is their last opportunity to see some of their warriors as those young fast city slickers are going to retire them or (b) travelling to see their boys reasserting their traditional dominance over dem durty dubs.
Can't make up my mind which it is ;)
Was the Dublin v Kerry 2009 quarter final not a sell out? outside of the AI finals its one game that can fill Croker. As for the game on Sunday i expect a good close battle the Dubs only beat Cork by 5 & Kerry are better side than Cork. Dublin by 1-3 pts looks the most likely outcome.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2013, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 26, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
Might have been CIT , think they are still involved in the Cork Club champ..
Never got how Cork colleges play in the county championship. It creates so many anomalies. For one can cork natives play for their own clubs and the colleges in the same competition? Don't the colleges have to assemble for training outside of the school year, meaning plenty of players have to travel back to college in the summer to train?
You can't play for your club as well if they are senior so on occasion players have transferred to their University team for the year. Some years the colleges train a fair bit as a group but often they do very little training until they make the latter stages of the championship.
A nod to history, but Jim Gavin refuses to get sentimental about Dublin-Kerry rivalry
Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final is confirmed as a sell-out
The last thing Jim Gavin is going to do is get all nostalgic about playing Kerry in the football championship. The Dublin manager doesn't do sentimentality, which is a good thing, because Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final has enough going for it in the here and now.
That's not saying Gavin doesn't appreciate what Dublin and Kerry still represents – and why Sunday's game is now a confirmed 82,300-sell-out. Gavin never played against Kerry in the championship, missing their 2001 showdown in Thurles with injury, but he's of the age to realise it's impossible to ignore the history between the teams.
"Sure I was born in the 1970s," says Gavin. "My dad would have brought us boys [to] a lot of those games. There is a great tradition that goes back even before the 1970s.
"But the one common thing I suppose is that Kerry have had the upper hand in most of those games.
"They've certainly controlled the power base and that has reflected itself in recent years as well, through the 2000s.
"I didn't play them, as through my era they were regrouping.
"Now, what we say to our players when they're playing for the county is that it's a privilege. It's a privilege when they get a club jersey to represent their parish or community and it's a privilege for them to wear the county jersey. So it starts at home first of all and it starts with respect. And certainly they have a lot of respect for Kerry."
Gavin does afford the previous generation a nod, not just of approval but of inspiration.
"I'd say a lot of my coaching philosophy comes from those teams of the 1970s. When I was playing under Dr Pat O'Neill, he would have espoused the same thing. Fran Ryder, Jim Brogan and Bobby Doyle – they would have promoted that type of game as well. Even Mickey Whelan in 1996 – it was a privilege to play under him as well. It's just what I was brought up on.
"I would have brought that philosophy to the under-21 sides as well . . . We believe that's the way the game should be played. I genuinely believe we have one of the best field sports in the world and we play within the rules. Whether that gets us success is another thing. But we hold true to those values."
Gavin has never seen any value in dwelling on the past, which is why there has been no mention of more recent meetings between the teams – either the 2011 All-Ireland final, which Dublin won (1-12 to 1-11), or the 2009 quarter-final, which Kerry won (1-24 to 1-7).
"No, we haven't referenced them at all," says Gavin. "I've used this phrase before: it's in the rear view mirror, it's history. We don't use previous games as motivation.
"What we do is focus on our football team, what we do and how we approach the game. Naturally enough we look at the opposition, but most of our focus through the National League and championship has been on how we play our football and how we can put our footprint on the game."
He adds: "We're under no illusions that what Kerry were doing was just getting over the games, and having won so much, they will know when to peak in the season.
"For them it isn't about the National League or peaking for Munster finals. It's about peaking now."
For both Dublin and Kerry, that is.
Can we take it for granted that the match will start at 3:45 instead of 3:30 with so many Dubs arriving late due to the Liverpool-Man Utd game on beforehand?
Quote from: blanketattack on August 27, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
Can we take it for granted that the match will start at 3:45 instead of 3:30 with so many Dubs arriving late due to the Liverpool-Man Utd game on beforehand?
I wouldn't imagine so............................whos the the hairy kerry player who spent his whole evening yesterday tweeting about Utd players what they wear etc etc
Is this game sold out? No tickets on gaa.ie.
Thanks.
Quote from: This Years Model on August 27, 2013, 11:47:58 AM
Is this game sold out? No tickets on gaa.ie.
Thanks.
Some tickets available in Kerry. None online or in SuperValu.
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
How much drink did you need to take before that realisation hit you? ???
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
How much drink did you need to take before that realisation hit you? ???
After reading your response, I was going to call you an a**hole, but then again that would be an insult to a**holes everywhere.
According to the Indo Maher is back to full fitness.
Thanks
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Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
How much drink did you need to take before that realisation hit you? ???
After reading your response, I was going to call you an a**hole, but then again that would be an insult to a**holes everywhere.
Your post smacks of the classic contrary streak in people, just because there are some widely agreed to best players in a certain position someone has to come out and plant a flag in different earth for little objective reasoning.
AOS is clearly the best pure midfielder in the country, Aidan Walsh is a better midfielder than Maher, Sean Cavanagh isn't a traditional midfielder but no one would pick Maher above him. Players like Neil Gallagher, Seamus O'Shea and Brendan Murphy are at least in the same bracket as Maher. It would be hard rate him as being much ahead of some of the up-and-coming midfielders like Givney and Heslin either.
I'm sorry if it annoys you but the point stands - Anthony Maher isn't the best midfielder in the country.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
How much drink did you need to take before that realisation hit you? ???
After reading your response, I was going to call you an a**hole, but then again that would be an insult to a**holes everywhere.
Your post smacks of the classic contrary streak in people, just because there are some widely agreed to best players in a certain position someone has to come out and plant a flag in different earth for little objective reasoning.
AOS is clearly the best pure midfielder in the country, Aidan Walsh is a better midfielder than Maher, Sean Cavanagh isn't a traditional midfielder but no one would pick Maher above him. Players like Neil Gallagher, Seamus O'Shea and Brendan Murphy are at least in the same bracket as Maher. It would be hard rate him as being much ahead of some of the up-and-coming midfielders like Givney and Heslin either.
I'm sorry if it annoys you but the point stands - Anthony Maher isn't the best midfielder in the country.
SOS was better than AOS on Sunday and apart from the Donegal quarter final he probably was in other games as well. Aidan Walsh is overrated midfielder and isn't better than Maher. Sean Cavanagh should be playing in the forward line and not midfield. Apart from Gallagher Maher is better than those in that bracket and will have to wait and see on up and coming midfielders.
Anthony Maher is highly rated and its a boost for Dublin if he doesn't play on Sunday.
@kerryman_ie: Kerry team: Kealy M Ó Sé Griffin Enright T Ó Sé Crowley Fitzgerald Maher Buckley Galvin Cooper Walsh Dar O'Sull Dec O'Sull O'Donoghue #GAA
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 27, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
Just watched Sunday game, Kevin Mcstay allueded to Anthony Maher not being fully fit. I know he missed Q/Final,
any Kerry folk know if he is okay. Potential game changer in my mind as I rate him to be best midfielder in Ireland.
How much drink did you need to take before that realisation hit you? ???
After reading your response, I was going to call you an a**hole, but then again that would be an insult to a**holes everywhere.
Your post smacks of the classic contrary streak in people, just because there are some widely agreed to best players in a certain position someone has to come out and plant a flag in different earth for little objective reasoning.
AOS is clearly the best pure midfielder in the country, Aidan Walsh is a better midfielder than Maher, Sean Cavanagh isn't a traditional midfielder but no one would pick Maher above him. Players like Neil Gallagher, Seamus O'Shea and Brendan Murphy are at least in the same bracket as Maher. It would be hard rate him as being much ahead of some of the up-and-coming midfielders like Givney and Heslin either.
I'm sorry if it annoys you but the point stands - Anthony Maher isn't the best midfielder in the country.
SOS was better than AOS on Sunday and apart from the Donegal quarter final he probably was in other games as well. Aidan Walsh is overrated midfielder and isn't better than Maher. Sean Cavanagh should be playing in the forward line and not midfield. Apart from Gallagher Maher is better than those in that bracket and will have to wait and see on up and coming midfielders.
Anthony Maher is highly rated and its a boost for Dublin if he doesn't play on Sunday.
No one is saying Maher is a scrub, there simply isn't a case for him being the best in the country. I'd say for most coaches choosing between Bryan Sheehan and Maher would be a tough call, depending on how good their other free-takers are.
Aidan Walsh looked lost this year thanks to Con playing him as a half-forward for reasons that escape everyone in Ireland but there isn't a hope that if any manager was offered Maher or Walsh and they'd pick Maher. Walsh can do so much more than most midfielders, he's very much in the Sean Cavanagh mould of being not just a midfielder but a top attacking talent in his own right too.
Hi guys,
Video preview of the Dublin vs Kerry game now up with the Tactics Board
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7582
Thanks,
Emmet
Donaghy take a dump on Eamons desk again ??????????????
Donaghy was poor in the Cavan game. Some speed in the Kerry FF line with O Donoghue back in the side.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 27, 2013, 09:18:33 PM
Donaghy take a dump on Eamons desk again ??????????????
Can barely remember the last time he played well. Without Donaghy the Kerry FF line is talented but unable to expose the Dublin FB line in the manner Sheehan did in the QF. I'd probably still risk Donaghy even though I don't rate him all that highly any more just because he may be able to do a job at 14.
Double-double-double down on Dublin now.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2013, 09:03:34 PM
Aidan Walsh looked lost this year thanks to Con playing him as a half-forward for reasons that escape everyone in Ireland but there isn't a hope that if any manager was offered Maher or Walsh and they'd pick Maher. Walsh can do so much more than most midfielders, he's very much in the Sean Cavanagh mould of being not just a midfielder but a top attacking talent in his own right too.
Aidan Walsh is living off that performance in 2010 AI final, can you remember him against us in 2010 quarter final & how he struggled against Mannion/Finneran? it wasn't until Nicholas Murphy replaced Walsh did Cork take over in midfield.
Yes Walsh can do more than most midfielders & it might explain why he was used in a more forward role this year but if i was to choose a top fielder for midfield it would be Maher over Walsh.
Big call in defence with Griffin (indirectly) replacing Young. I hope the young man does well.
Changes in MF and up front no major surprises.
f**k me, that Jack McCaffrey is fast ! Is he fit to play ? possibly the best player in Ireland right now.
I hope the lads are tuned in for this. Could be a long day if they are as off the pace as is generally thought.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2013, 08:18:28 AM
f**k me, that Jack McCaffrey is fast ! Is he fit to play ? possibly the best player in Ireland right now.
I hope the lads are tuned in for this. Could be a long day if they are as off the pace as is generally thought.
Will yez ever stop the yerraing. Nobody is buying it anymore.
Kerry lads here in the job are all adamant Kerry will win. Declan O'Sullivan, Darren O'Sullivan, Cooper, Donaghy (he will be starting by the way) and Galvin in the forward line alone.
Imo 4 contenders as best players ever on the team......... 2 Ó Sés, Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan and yet Kerry think they can pull a rope a dope.
Every Dublin fan I meet is dreading this one even though I dreaded the Cork game more.
Tipped Kerry to win AI earlier this year and stil think they will win it.
Town will be full of Kerry people on Sunday night sadly as they will win.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2013, 08:18:28 AM
f**k me, that Jack McCaffrey is fast ! Is he fit to play ? possibly the best player in Ireland right now.
I hope the lads are tuned in for this. Could be a long day if they are as off the pace as is generally thought.
Yawn
If O'Donoghue is fit he is a huge addition.
QuoteKerry lads here in the job are all adamant Kerry will win.
Yep all the Kerry people I've been talking to are very confident. Couldn't get motivated for the Cavan game but can't wait for this one. They think our backs are ready to be trimmed and reckon they'll win with a few to spare.
Think they are wrong myself
donaghy has been dropped as i suspect kerry will be more coservative and defensive than usual. I know people will say how many men they had behind the ball against cavan, but when you are not playing particularly well and are miles ahead, the natural inclination is to drop back and defend what you have.
Interesting personal battles, how do you think they will fair out:
O'Se v Brogan?
Cooper v Brennan
McCaffrey v Walsh
Maher v MD McAuley
Enright v Mannion
Think the winning of the game could be who comes out on top in terms of winning breaking ball and setting tempo of the game: key battle flynn v Thomas O'Se
Should be a cracker in terms of skill and passion, with tyrone having gone out sunday past, and looking at it purely as a neutral, fancy a draw, and the dubs to win it in a replay.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 28, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
donaghy has been dropped as i suspect kerry will be more coservative and defensive than usual. I know people will say how many men they had behind the ball against cavan, but when you are not playing particularly well and are miles ahead, the natural inclination is to drop back and defend what you have.
Interesting personal battles, how do you think they will fair out:
O'Se v Brogan?
Cooper v Brennan
McCaffrey v Walsh
Maher v MD McAuley
Enright v Mannion
Think the winning of the game could be who comes out on top in terms of winning breaking ball and setting tempo of the game: key battle flynn v Thomas O'Se
Should be a cracker in terms of skill and passion, with tyrone having gone out sunday past, and looking at it purely as a neutral, fancy a draw, and the dubs to win it in a replay.
Could be the game of the championship this one. Have tipped Kerry from the start of the championship and still think they can win one more with this group of players. dont think Kerry will do a 'Tyrone' on Dublin but will shade it in a tence game
O'Se v Brogan?
Brogan has been under performing. The last person he needs marshalling him is Marc O'SeCooper v Brennan
Cooper by a country mile. Brennan is a weak link in the Dubs team and most likely to see redMcCaffrey v Walsh
there is more chance of me marking McCaffrey than Walsh i reckon Maher v MD McAuley
Maher to edge this battle Enright v Mannion
Mannion until O'Se is switched to mark him
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Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 28, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
donaghy has been dropped as i suspect kerry will be more coservative and defensive than usual. I know people will say how many men they had behind the ball against cavan, but when you are not playing particularly well and are miles ahead, the natural inclination is to drop back and defend what you have.
Interesting personal battles, how do you think they will fair out:
O'Se v Brogan?
Cooper v Brennan
McCaffrey v Walsh
Maher v MD McAuley
Enright v Mannion
Think the winning of the game could be who comes out on top in terms of winning breaking ball and setting tempo of the game: key battle flynn v Thomas O'Se
Should be a cracker in terms of skill and passion, with tyrone having gone out sunday past, and looking at it purely as a neutral, fancy a draw, and the dubs to win it in a replay.
Could be the game of the championship this one. Have tipped Kerry from the start of the championship and still think they can win one more with this group of players. dont think Kerry will do a 'Tyrone' on Dublin but will shade it in a tence game
O'Se v Brogan? Brogan has been under performing. The last person he needs marshalling him is Marc O'Se
Cooper v Brennan Cooper by a country mile. Brennan is a weak link in the Dubs team and most likely to see red
McCaffrey v Walsh there is more chance of me marking McCaffrey than Walsh i reckon
Maher v MD McAuley Maher to edge this battle
Enright v Mannion Mannion until O'Se is switched to mark him
I agree that o'se would mark brogan out of it, but still feel he will be tasked with the job on the off chance that brogan will cut loose and perform on the big day.
Who the do you reckon will pick up mccaffrey? he will burn galvin all day long, unless darren o'sullivan drops out to pick him up. I think kerry have the same type of problem tyrone had last week, they need to keep the dublin half back line and midfielders honest, i.e, make them do their primary job of defending first. Mayo's half back line came forward in waves as tyrone played too deep, and the kerry half forward line have to impose themselves on the dublin half backs and force them to defend as much as possible.
This is probably the game Brogan skins his marker. Certainly not confident in Marc O'Se containing him for 70 minutes if that is the match-up.
I think Kerry have picked the right team (in the forwards anyway). He's dead right to leave KD as a sub. Dublin give the opposition full forward line more room than anyone else does, so speedy skillful forwards will be best placed to take advantage. I see Dec and Gooch interchanging from time to time also.
Donaghy will be a very useful sub though, and that's a very strong bench Kerry have.
I wouldnt be surprised to see 5 goals in this game.
Quote from: Hound on August 28, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
I think Kerry have picked the right team (in the forwards anyway). He's dead right to leave KD as a sub. Dublin give the opposition full forward line more room than anyone else does, so speedy skillful forwards will be best placed to take advantage. I see Dec and Gooch interchanging from time to time also.
Donaghy will be a very useful sub though, and that's a very strong bench Kerry have.
I wouldnt be surprised to see 5 goals in this game.
Ciaran Sheehan would like to disagree with you.
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 28, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 28, 2013, 11:01:32 AM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 28, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
donaghy has been dropped as i suspect kerry will be more coservative and defensive than usual. I know people will say how many men they had behind the ball against cavan, but when you are not playing particularly well and are miles ahead, the natural inclination is to drop back and defend what you have.
Interesting personal battles, how do you think they will fair out:
O'Se v Brogan?
Cooper v Brennan
McCaffrey v Walsh
Maher v MD McAuley
Enright v Mannion
Think the winning of the game could be who comes out on top in terms of winning breaking ball and setting tempo of the game: key battle flynn v Thomas O'Se
Should be a cracker in terms of skill and passion, with tyrone having gone out sunday past, and looking at it purely as a neutral, fancy a draw, and the dubs to win it in a replay.
Could be the game of the championship this one. Have tipped Kerry from the start of the championship and still think they can win one more with this group of players. dont think Kerry will do a 'Tyrone' on Dublin but will shade it in a tence game
O'Se v Brogan? Brogan has been under performing. The last person he needs marshalling him is Marc O'Se
Cooper v Brennan Cooper by a country mile. Brennan is a weak link in the Dubs team and most likely to see red
McCaffrey v Walsh there is more chance of me marking McCaffrey than Walsh i reckon
Maher v MD McAuley Maher to edge this battle
Enright v Mannion Mannion until O'Se is switched to mark him
I agree that o'se would mark brogan out of it, but still feel he will be tasked with the job on the off chance that brogan will cut loose and perform on the big day.
Who the do you reckon will pick up mccaffrey? he will burn galvin all day long, unless darren o'sullivan drops out to pick him up. I think kerry have the same type of problem tyrone had last week, they need to keep the dublin half back line and midfielders honest, i.e, make them do their primary job of defending first. Mayo's half back line came forward in waves as tyrone played too deep, and the kerry half forward line have to impose themselves on the dublin half backs and force them to defend as much as possible.
I'd be hopeful that unlike '09, we'll get our match ups right from the start and not stick to positions
Pin it to the fooking Door Jim Gavin .....................
Irish times DOSE
"Kerry fellas would always have this feeling that the Dubs would be half-mocking them and that any game against them would be a chance to put them in their place. Whether that's the case or not wouldn't really matter too much – it would be the mindset going in. You'd always believe you could beat Dublin."
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/maybe-i-m-letting-my-heart-rule-my-head-but-i-trust-these-kerry-players-to-beat-dublin-1.1507347?page=2
After everything that is said of Kerry this year unlike Dublin there is no need for any slip of paper to be pinned to the dressing room door, wall or where ever. When it's time to leave the dressing room soon after 3PM on Sunday that door is in danger of being kicked off the hinges.
I think that the views of D O Se are right on the nail. The history between the teams should leave the Dubs worried not Kerry. Any Mourne man would like to remind the Kingdom of their record one to one in championship. The metropolitans would be wise to do the same.
In 130 odd years of championship football Dublin have only beaten Kerry on a handful of occasions.
Two of Dublin's wins came pre-1910, when both counties were represented by club sides, so effectively they have registered just five wins (1923-34-76-77 & 2011) over Kerry as full county teams.
And to bring a little culture to the debate...
Dúchas
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field,
I fear you are mistaken, lad, but the years will make you yield,
And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old,
Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand,
But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land
Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould,
It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill,
The little church at Gallerus, our language living still,
The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold,
For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest and the fortunes ebb and flow,
We're still alive, we can survive, we never will let go,
For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold,
Will lead us on to victory, in the Kingdom's green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe
And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go,
So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold,
Who again aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold
While Kerry obviously have the better historical record, this "in 130 years of championship football" stuff is a bit of a laugh. They've only played 26 times in championship football. Kerry have 17 wins, Dublin 7.
Not too many of the current team will feel that monkey on their back though, given their recent strong record against Kerry in championship and league.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 28, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
While Kerry obviously have the better historical record, this "in 130 years of championship football" stuff is a bit of a laugh. They've only played 26 times in championship football. Kerry have 17 wins, Dublin 7.
Not too many of the current team will feel that monkey on their back though, given their recent strong record against Kerry in championship and league.
Fair point but, excluding any league meetings (or do you believe that they are any real representation of a team's championship credentials), in the meetings since say 2000 (I pick this as all panel members wil remember this period) Dublin have only one championship win.
I'd generally agree that you can't read much from league form. The only reason I referred to Dublin's recent good run against Kerry in the league is that while there might have been Dublin teams in the past who didn't really believe they could beat Kerry, I don't think this team will have that problem.
What is the Championship record since 2000 anyway? 3 wins for Kerry, 1 draw and 1 win for Dublin? Uneven sure, but certainly not the stuff to have a team feel beaten before the throw in.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 28, 2013, 09:00:11 PM
What is the Championship record since 2000 anyway? 3 wins for Kerry, 1 draw and 1 win for Dublin? Uneven sure, but certainly not the stuff to have a team feel beaten before the throw in.
Us muckers have to latch on to whatever we can ;)
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 28, 2013, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 28, 2013, 09:00:11 PM
What is the Championship record since 2000 anyway? 3 wins for Kerry, 1 draw and 1 win for Dublin? Uneven sure, but certainly not the stuff to have a team feel beaten before the throw in.
Us muckers have to latch on to whatever we can ;)
36 all-Irelands isn't bad latching on all the same.
Jesus me nervs.
Cant wait for this. Hearing the injured lads are all ok to start, but dat theres some minor changes.
Kerry are like a woonded animal. sick wih worry.
If i was Kerry manager, id target our corner backs.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 28, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
While Kerry obviously have the better historical record, this "in 130 years of championship football" stuff is a bit of a laugh. They've only played 26 times in championship football. Kerry have 17 wins, Dublin 7.
Not too many of the current team will feel that monkey on their back though, given their recent strong record against Kerry in championship and league.
RTÉ would have you believe they play as total rivals.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2013, 11:03:36 PM
RTÉ would have you believe they play as total rivals.
Yerra, sure we don't mind them talking like that. If they want to bask in our reflected star light ;D ;D ;D
Yerra, yerra etc.
Hope it close but i can see Dublin winning by 4-5 points
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2013, 11:03:36 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 28, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
While Kerry obviously have the better historical record, this "in 130 years of championship football" stuff is a bit of a laugh. They've only played 26 times in championship football. Kerry have 17 wins, Dublin 7.
Not too many of the current team will feel that monkey on their back though, given their recent strong record against Kerry in championship and league.
RTÉ would have you believe they play as total rivals.
RTE is based in Dublin, there are about 1 million Dubs, sure it gets tv viewers and newspaper customers to pretend that this is a special rivalry. Kerry folk unfortunately loving the extra media attention like to play along.
I'm not sure Kerry are good enough. Dublin are no big shakes. Cork were brutal and could have put them away. I'm just hoping Kerry can produce a similar display like in 2009. Then, like last year, I can enjoy the AI final without the Dubs being in it. Same with the hurling final.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
I'm not sure Kerry are good enough. Dublin are no big shakes. Cork were brutal and could have put them away. I'm just hoping Kerry can produce a similar display like in 2009. Then, like last year, I can enjoy the AI final without the Dubs being in it. Same with the hurling final.
Cork never had any chance of winning that game. So let's stick to the facts rather then your misguided bullshit.
Can't see the 2009 quarter final being repeated for either side. I expect a tight game but hopefully a good game that we can edge by a couple of points.
I hope we get to the final just so that you'll have to stick this post up your jaxe.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
Dublin are no big shakes.
Their form to date in 2013 certainly realises that claim alright.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
I'm not sure Kerry are good enough. Dublin are no big shakes. Cork were brutal and could have put them away. I'm just hoping Kerry can produce a similar display like in 2009. Then, like last year, I can enjoy the AI final without the Dubs being in it. Same with the hurling final.
A classic case of mixing up reality with what you wish was reality, Benny.
Hi guys
Tactical preview of Dublin vs Kerry up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7598
Thanks
Emmet
Good man Emmet- hope your good form continues :D
Carney thinks Kerry.
By Martin Carney
The clash of the Aristocrats.
Kerry and Dublin renew their rivalry in the second All-Ireland football semi–final with the winner earning the right to meet Mayo in the decider on 22 September.
For many, this fixture chimes with memories of clashes between Heffo and Micko, Jacko and Mullins, Paidi and Keaveney and many more. It is a game between football's elite - city slicker versus country cousin.
Kerry with 36 titles and Dublin with 23 outstrip by a country mile their nearest challengers in the Sam-winning stakes. This fixture more than any helped glamorise the code, broadened its popular appeal and defined a rivalry that is still as keen and as anticipated as ever.
Most pundits will have us believe that the upcoming game is a clash between the grizzled warriors from the south-west and the young urban tyros. That Kerry are replete with veterans of long standing is true and on the evidence presented there are signs that Sunday could be the last hurrah for some.
Has there ever been a better wing-back than Tomás O'Sé or a forward with the capacity to excite as the mercurial Colm Cooper? Both are worthy of residence in the pantheon of all-time Kerry greats. Add to this list Galvin, Brosnan, the O'Sullivans, Donaghy, Sheehan and Maher and you get a sense of their experience and the enormity of the task facing the Dubs.
The names of Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion and Ciaran Kilkenny have been whispered with reverence this summer. The new guns. The latest and most dynamic version of the Blue machine. They have magnetised attention. Their exploits have been eye-catching but I feel their rapid ascent to this level has been smoothed by the familiar voice of Jim Gavin who managed them at U-21 level, and the wisdom imparted from the experienced core within the dressing room.
"The initiation process facing Fionn Fitzgerald and Mark Griffin will be an acid test of character. Nothing like being thrown in at the deep end!"
As members of the 2011 All-Ireland winning team, players like Bryan Cullen, Stephen Cluxton, Bernard Brogan and Paul Flynn - I am quite certain have mentored and steered the young men to the levels they are at today.
Both teams have followed identical paths on their journeys to the last four. Kerry waltzed past Tipp and Waterford in Munster, while Dublin encountered little resistance in their outings with Westmeath and Kildare.
A scintillating 50 minutes of football, culminating in a Marc O'Se point, gave Kerry a nine-point lead in the Munster final. Whether it was an aberration, born of complacency or a result of a Cork revival, led by Ciaran Sheehan, the facts are that Kerry were clinging to the lifebelts at the final whistle and were relieved with their two-point win.
Yet in that period of Kingdom dominance we witnessed a blistering demonstration of the fierce will and unremitting excellence that they are capable of.
Dublin's win over their old rivals Meath was not without its hiccups, as the pace of Wallace and the accuracy of Newman caused more problems than might have been anticipated.
Their quarter-final victory over Cork was noteworthy for Stephen Cluxton's six points. When did we ever see a goalkeeper as a team's joint top scorer in championship football? Never, I guess. Kerry's win over Cavan was predictable and uneventful.
Assuming that he remains loyal to his quarter final winning team, Jim Gavin will unleash a horde of hungry warriors capable on their day of overcoming the sternest challenge. The calibre of forward at his disposal is frightening and by now the harmony that was absent in the earlier rounds should be well established.
I felt that the understanding between Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion and Ciarán Kilkenny was slow to develop, but against Cork evidence of improvement was obvious.
That he was substituted in each of his opening three fixtures hardly helped his confidence, but against Cork one sensed that Brogan's cuteness and awareness of others had returned even though his scoring return from play was void on that occasion.
The experienced trio of the outstanding Paul Flynn , the rejuvenated Peadar Andrews and Diarmuid Connolly add lustre to the forward division. The back-up cast of Rock, Cullen, O'Gara and McManamon is enviable to say the least. The unfortunate injury to Killian Young has resulted in a reshuffled Kerry defence.
The initiation process facing Fionn Fitzgerald and Mark Griffin will be an acid test of character. Nothing like being thrown in at the deep end! Tomás and Marc will offer reassurance in any event.
Midfield is the sector that has divided opinion in Dublin and is likely to remain unchanged. Jim Gavin has placed his trust in Michael Darragh MacAuley and Cian O'Sullivan believing that their athleticism and willingness to access all areas of Croke Park can compensate for any deficiencies that they might have in aerial combat.
"Thomas Jefferson once said that there is a natural aristocracy among men, the grounds of which are virtue and talents"
Cluxton's laser-like pings will find them but have they the scope to contest and deprive Kerry of possession from Kealy's restarts? It will be no surprise to yet see the combative Denis Bastic having a role to play at some stage of the game.
By recalling Anthony Maher to partner Johnny Buckley, Kerry have restored the pairing that for long spells looked outstanding against Cork, and the latter's long range place kicking has become a real bonus.
The roles and responsibilities entrusted to Paul Galvin and Donnacha Walsh will be as demanding as they are vital to the Kerry cause.
Tracking the runs of Jack McCaffrey and James McCarthy isn't for the faint-hearted or weak-of-lung, yet if Galvin and Walsh can diminish their influence and at the same time provide ammunition for the Kerry attack we would see the establishment of a winning platform. Walsh is a players' player; Galvin, when focused, is indispensible. Let's relish this battle.
Faithful to their philosophy and spirit of adventure Dublin play without a sweeper. Ger Brennan holds the middle with others allowed freedom to attack. Added to this will be his task of containing the influence of the 'Gooch' which if unchecked could seriously undermine the Dubs.
Cooper, the creator, has blossomed in his new role where his speed of thought and vision can prise open the securest defence. Along with the Sullivans and the exciting James O Donoghue this is a potent frontline capable of stretching a Dublin defence that I am yet to be convinced of.
Thomas Jefferson once said that there is a natural aristocracy among men, the grounds of which are virtue and talents. Whatever about virtue - I am sure it is there in abundance - there is no denying the talents of these rivals. We should witness on Sunday a classic, where I expect the Green and Gold to shade it... just.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2013, 11:53:43 PM
I'm not sure Kerry are good enough. Dublin are no big shakes. Cork were brutal and could have put them away. I'm just hoping Kerry can produce a similar display like in 2009. Then, like last year, I can enjoy the AI final without the Dubs being in it. Same with the hurling final.
::)
Sunday is a mouth watering match up with both teams able to put up very high scores. Definitely has the makings of the match of the year. I'm really looking forward to a great game of football, with oceans of football skill, end to end action, & great atmosphere in Croker.
I know one shouldn't put too much weight into league form, but Dublin were mightily impressive throughout that campaign. However, I think there progress has plateau. I think teams have nullified Cluxton kickout, and they're shaky in the full back line.
On the other side, Kerry were really disappointing in the league, and only showed they're a first half team since. Dublin pace and fitness will be a very big test for them. I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp, and I don't believe the opinions from Darragh O'Shea and Jack O'Connor, basically stating that don't take Kerry on past performances, that they will show something new and overturn this Dublin team.
I think Kerry will demonstrate how to beat Dublin but will ultimately run out of steam and Dublin to win.
Martin carney wrote that? G hes turning itoa R
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
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Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
Yerra
This old story again! Wasn't there all fist fights between players over selection in the run up to the All Ireland series in 2006 and 2009?
It really affected morale those years! 8)
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
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Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
Yerra
Apparently there was trouble in the Kerry camp in 04, 06, 07, and 09 as well. Didn't seem to do them any harm..... ???
Trouble in the Kerry Camp = NO fights in training.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 30, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 30, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
Yerra
This old story again! Wasn't there all fist fights between players over selection in the run up to the All Ireland series in 2006 and 2009?
It really affected morale those years! 8)
Yeah that came to mind also. Remember Galvin black eye & Jack O'Connor saying after the match that they're still at each other in the dressing room lol. What I heard is that a number of players had a big fallen out with the back room team and I got that from someone in footballing circles. That said, I'm not well connected so possible take that news with a grain of salt.
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 30, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 30, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
Yerra
This old story again! Wasn't there all fist fights between players over selection in the run up to the All Ireland series in 2006 and 2009?
It really affected morale those years! 8)
Yeah that came to mind also. Remember Galvin black eye & Jack O'Connor saying after the match that they're still at each other in the dressing room lol. What I heard is that a number of players had a big fallen out with the back room team and I got that from someone in footballing circles. That said, I'm not well connected so possible take that news with a grain of salt.
I'd be taking it with the whole salt cellar!!!
Any Dublin team named yet, do they not normally do it on Thursday night?
Quote from: Zulu on August 30, 2013, 02:12:23 PM
Any Dublin team named yet, do they not normally do it on Thursday night?
Named tonight
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 30, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2013, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 30, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
Quote from: AMayoFan on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I also hear that there is trouble in the Kerry camp
So much for closed doors ;)
Yerra
This old story again! Wasn't there all fist fights between players over selection in the run up to the All Ireland series in 2006 and 2009?
It really affected morale those years! 8)
Yeah that came to mind also. Remember Galvin black eye & Jack O'Connor saying after the match that they're still at each other in the dressing room lol. What I heard is that a number of players had a big fallen out with the back room team and I got that from someone in footballing circles. That said, I'm not well connected so possible take that news with a grain of salt.
Galvin has tweeted a pic of himself and Gooch in training.............................oh no its not he says, Its Aidan OMahony with a big dirty beard now too
What's the story with Bryan Sheehan? Is he injured? Some boyo to bring on if not.
Will McCaffrey last the match with the injured paw? He'll have some serious strapping on under the gloves...
(http://gaabanter.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1151078_10201926279697946_1300549949_n.jpg)
Check out Nige's Kerry jersey
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/aug/30/nigel-kennedy-interview-conductors-overrated
Now thats a great photo, love it!!!
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2013, 10:18:46 PM
Check out Nige's Kerry jersey
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/aug/30/nigel-kennedy-interview-conductors-overrated
The only real Nige wore a Roscommon jersey. Feck that Love/Hate lad too.
From rte.ie, Dublin team shows one change - Andrews for Cullen
Dublin: S Cluxton, K O'Brien, R O'Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, M D MacAuley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B Brogan
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
From rte.ie, Dublin team shows one change - Andrews for Cullen
Dublin: S Cluxton, K O'Brien, R O'Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, M D MacAuley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B Brogan
Very, very strong team. Kerry will need all to go their way to beat that outfit.
Did Dean from the Block murder Jim's cat or something?
Quote from: orangeman on August 31, 2013, 12:53:46 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
From rte.ie, Dublin team shows one change - Andrews for Cullen
Dublin: S Cluxton, K O'Brien, R O'Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, M D MacAuley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B Brogan
Very, very strong team. Kerry will need all to go their way to beat that outfit.
Is is not the same very,very strong team that was forced to dig out a win against Meath? Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Bastick,Rock to win this game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 01:17:40 AM
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
From rte.ie, Dublin team shows one change - Andrews for Cullen
Dublin: S Cluxton, K O'Brien, R O'Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, M D MacAuley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B Brogan
Very, very strong team. Kerry will need all to go their way to beat that outfit.
Is is not the same very,very strong team that was forced to dig out a win against Meath? Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Bastick,Rock to win this game.
It'll probably be in the bag before Rock gets his usual 6-10 minutes.
Dublin just need to let the Kerry bluster fade and then ease past them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2013, 01:17:40 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 31, 2013, 12:53:46 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
From rte.ie, Dublin team shows one change - Andrews for Cullen
Dublin: S Cluxton, K O'Brien, R O'Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, M D MacAuley, C O'Sullivan, P Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B Brogan
Very, very strong team. Kerry will need all to go their way to beat that outfit.
Is is not the same very,very strong team that was forced to dig out a win against Meath? Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Bastick,Rock to win this game.
Meath do strange things to Dublin. That was a one off.
It's a decent looking team but possibly a little over hyped. I think its far from unbeatable. Would not be surprised if Kerry are ahead at half time. They are still capable of playing some brilliant football as was shown in the munster final. The issue will be whether they can last the pace. They were unreal v Tyrone in the first half in the league but died in the second half. Something similar happened v Cork. If Kerry can produce a decent second half they could win this and I actually think they will.
Dublin aren't the strongest in midfield which can lead to pressure being put on the defence. It's full of good players but not necessarily the best defenders which will be tested tomorrow. I even feel the forward line may not be just as good as is being made out. Brogan has been off form all year. Andrews is still to produce it in a big game and Connolly can blow hot and cold. Mannion also is inexperienced at this level.
Agree, this Dublin team are chock full of very fine footballers but I think a lot of them have yet to prove they're dependable championship footballers. All of the defenders have question marks over there defensive capabilities, the midfielders are great at many things but weak at winning primary possession and the forwards have 2 kids, 1 unproven player and 2 boys (Connolly and brogan) that could be brilliant or awful. Only Flynn is almost certain to deliver a performance.
Kerry have plenty of questions to answer too but more of their boys have answered them in the past. I think Dublin will win it but I find it hard to understand the confidence of many people in them, still plenty to prove yet IMO.
From what I can see Kerry are the ones who have been talked up far more in the media this week while Dublin have been talked down quite a bit.
For me Kerry are the ones with serious doubts over them in terms of their lack of pace and poor form of players and I see Dublin dishing out a real trouncing to them.
2 weeks ago I was full certain that Dublin would win, as I was thinking that Dublins pace would win it out and with it that Kerry would not have the legs to deal with that pace for the full 70. But now I'm starting to think a little differently. Looking at the Kerry line up if it starts as named, I would say they are going to attack the Dublin full back line from the start, get the ball into them early and often and create one on one situations where the full back line have struggled with since the Meath game. Gavin doesn't seem to have addressed this, but that's not surprising as he pushes his half back line high up the field to sweep through the midfield area and win the breaks or receive passes from breaking ball and initiate attacks. Kerry will win enough ball on their own kick outs to go some way toward's this, how much they can win on the Dublin kick outs will be the deciding factor. If Kerry can negate Cluxton's short kick outs and force him to kick long they will have a very good chance as they can win more ball in the air in Dublin. Cluxton's quick kick outs are Dublins primary source of clean possession, when they go long McCauley and O'Sullivan more often than not break it and this is where Maher and Buckley could get an edge. However, Kerry having the ability to sustain the work rate to constantly mark up and give Cluxton no easy targets is the big question. I still say Dublin to win, but will be made to work harder for it than people think.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kingdom-love-bursting-bubble-of-dublin-hype-29536062.html
This bit in bold sounds like nowadays.
1984
KERRY 0-14 DUBLIN 1-6
ALL-IRELAND FINAL
The Background: Dublin were reigning All-Ireland champions, whereas Kerry had lost the 1982 final to Offaly and the 1983 Munster final to Cork. Dublin were well-fancied for the double but Kerry took motivation from an unusual source – the 'RTE Guide'.
Not noted for cutting analysis of GAA affairs, the 'Guide' broke free from its fluffy world of TV puff pieces to describe Kerry as "a cowardly blend of experienced players, has-beens and newcomers."
Tom Spillane was described as a "glaring weakness who could expect a severe roasting from Tommy Conroy", while Ger Lynch was classed as "a nice footballer but a poor marker". He was, apparently, set for a miserable day against Ciaran Duff. Mick O'Dwyer milked the motivation cow for all it was worth.
"Describing a Kerry team as cowardly was like telling a Rottweiler he was an ugly mutt. I told the players that's what everyone outside of Kerry thought of them. It wasn't, of course, but why spoil such a juicy line with the truth?" he wrote.
The Game: Kerry all the way. They led by 0-7 to 0-3 at half-time and by six points when Barney Rock scored Dublin's goal. Kerry responded by stretching on again. Dublin's return of 1-6 was their lowest against Kerry since 1955, when games were played over 60 minutes.
The Aftermath: Kerry went on to complete another three-in-a-row in 1986.
Expecting a good game of football out of you lads, after the crappy quarters and a poor enough semi last week, i am fully expecting a helter skelter game tomorrow, not too fussy who wins as long as its quality.
On current form Dublin should win this match. They play an attractive blend of high intensity attacking football. They've a seriously talented forward line & a very resourceful bench. Their manager is ambitious and positive in his approach.
Kerry are Kerry and as the throw in time looms we're all naturally wary of writing them off. In Gooch, both the Sullivans and Galvin they have quality forwards. The O'Se brothers are legends in their own lifetimes with Tomas possibly one of the most consistently high achieving footballer of all time.
But the kingdom stars have miles on the clock and age in their legs. Most of them have a collection of AI medals in their bellies. Dublin have hunger in theirs. Plus youth in their legs and freshness on the clock.
With 15 minutes to go I think the above contrasting comparison will be a decisive factor re the final result. The Dubs by 5pt.
hell am going for a draw!1
Anyone got a link for a streaming site for this afternoon?
Quote from: Lorcs on September 01, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
Anyone got a link for a streaming site for this afternoon?
You'll need to be a bit of a techie to get it going but xbmc is worth the effort. For the Irish TV channels you'll need "Mossy's Eden Add-ons" repo. Youtube is full of videos showing how to set it up on the various platforms. Just tested rte2 for you and ballybradden (cartoons) is working perfectly
All logic says Dublin but the closer it gets the more I think Kerry have a really good chance. If you match up the teams then Kerry come out pretty well, it's certainly not a case of mismatched teams. I'll stick with Dublin as I think they'll edged it and I'd love to see a Dublin v Mayo final, I won't be one bit surprised to see a Kerry/Mayo one though.
Kerry for me, lot of hype surrounding Dublin, they'll be tested today for sure.
Ive thought kerry frm well out but Galvin's decline is a major hole in their armour. Not convinced they have the energy and workrate in the middle third any more. When cork got on top in this sector they couldnt turn the tide.
Please God not another idiot in black.
What was the free against Galvin for?
RTE analysis beforehand was pure horsesh*t :o
Looks like it's going to be a cracker
Two very good sets of forwards here.
Great goal for Kerry.
The Dubs are targeting the Cooper & Galvin. Very cynical.
Another goal for Kerry.
No defenders at all in this game.
Could be two cricket scores.
Goal for Dublin!
Kevin McStay speaking about the match ups being as per the programme. But he cannot bring himself to sat that Kerry are playing with 12 men in defence.
My God the Gooch is unreal.
GOALFEST
Ref is so pro Dublin it is hilarious.
Cooper is destroying Brennan.
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Cooper is destroying Brennan.
How can the ref miss that he took 9 steps for that point though?
Kerry trying to put Cluxton off at the free. Dub just dragged to the ground there. Wonder will they mention it at half time.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Cooper is destroying Brennan.
How can the ref miss that he took 9 steps for that point though?
I thought the same.
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
Ref is so pro Dublin it is hilarious.
Is Dublin Joe on holidays?
Should that not have been a straight red?
From a mayo man that is hilarious. The ref is brilliant and what a pity he was washing his car last week. Cynical stuff from Cluxton cavanagh style
Incorrect call for the short kickout - he was on the 21 when the ball was kicked, collecting it inside is allowed
Take your goals the points will come.
2 jokes of a defence mayo for Sam
Is charging not a foul anymore?
Quote from: glens73 on September 01, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Is charging not a foul anymore?
Ref is buying everything that either team throw at him.
All these negative tactics are ruining football
Walsh musta been goin for the push over try there, joke pen.
Worse defences ever seen in Croke park.
Defences are rubbish, like a minor match.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 01, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
Walsh musta been goin for the push over try there, joke pen.
He just put the head down and waited for the ref to buy it.
The only tackles being made in this game are cynical ones - but it's great stuff!
It is a pity Dublin don't have any decent forwards for MacAuley to offload to. ::)
About 12 steps there from O'Donoghue.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
Cooper is destroying Brennan.
How can the ref miss that he took 9 steps for that point though?
11 steps for O'Donoghue! I'm amazed how the ref can't spot these!
You can forget about Cluxton as a man. ;D
Sickening Dubs arrogance thinking they can play football without a defence. I'm sure Kerry feel its like the 80s again. Great if kamikaze to watch
Great entertainment.
I think the Dubs are seriously rattled but they will close it out in the 2nd half.
Only 2 down, Dubs will be happy with this considering
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Can understand why it looked like a peno to the ref - Cluxton's hands were high and when Walsh went down, it looked like they were around his neck. Wasn't a penalty though
Thought Spillane had dirty dig at Tyrone there at half-time.
Gooch is like an orchestra conductor! Having a great game but shur why wouldn't he?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 04:12:51 PM
Can understand why it looked like a peno to the ref - Cluxton's hands were high and when Walsh went down, it looked like they were around his neck. Wasn't a penalty though
Never a penalty - shocking decision. Add the point after about 8 steps and thats 4 points Kerry shouldn't have. Still think Dubs have enough to push on and win this though despite the referring. Only doubt in my mind is the beating that brennan is taking on Cooper. he's been dublin's poor link all year so they put him on the best forward in the country over the last decade ? Baffling tactics !
Shut up the lot of ye! A tremendous game of football.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Some of the forward play, particularly by Kerry, is fantastic.
Brolly says definite penalty - muppet. O'Rourke corrects him and Spillane claims you can't charge after one step - muppet.
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Yes it's exciting with plenty of scores, but there are a lot of mistakes. I wouldnt be too influenced by some of the rubbish those agenda driven panellists spout.
Welcome to the track meet. GotY so far and Gooch would almost make you believe anything is possible but Dublin will probably grind Kerry down in the final quarter.
Kerry destroyed Dublin in the Zod racing at half-time.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Yes it's exciting with plenty of scores, but there are a lot of mistakes. I wouldnt be too influenced by some of the rubbish those agenda driven panellists spout.
Same, I'd value the opinion of my farts ahead of these lads.
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Some of the forward play, particularly by Kerry, is fantastic.
Cooper in particular is giving a master class but how Gavin decided to leave Brennan on him is baffling.
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:23:08 PM
Brolly says definite penalty - muppet. O'Rourke corrects him and Spillane claims you can't charge after one step - muppet.
Yeah - 1st foul was the charge. Nothing matters after that
brennan off- not a minute too soon
Some great scores but some chronic defending and as much "cynicism" as in any other game. Not that the Sunday Game game would admit those simple facts in a million years.
Gavin takes off and rests Brennan for the Final, as he will be a key player.
And of course, 3 or 4 digs from Pat directed at Tyrone. WTF?? Analyse the game you are watching. Unbelievable
Dubs would need to watch their discipline.
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 01, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
Some great scores but some chronic defending and as much "cynicism" as in any other game. Not that the Sunday Game game would admit those simple facts in a million years.
You haven't a clue
jesus wept - how can a linesman get that wrong from 3 yards away
Score please?
Reilly raping Dublin here.
Shocking decision by ref, never a free. Dub 1-10 KY 3-7
Everything going Kerry's way at the minute, including Cluxton's kickouts
Serious Kerry display so far. Their blanket defence doing well too.
The jokers who suggested cluxton for all star need to watch these games. Ref finally refacing the game
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
Serious Kerry display so far. Their blanket defence doing well too.
Dublin forwards shocking decision making. Could easily have had a couple of goals but Connelly & McAuley guilty of taking too much out of it.
McAuley dragged to the ground. As cynical been mentioned on the Sunday game yet?
game on
Draw now
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 04:40:38 PM
McAuley dragged to the ground. As cynical been mentioned on the Sunday game yet?
fair comment
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 04:40:38 PM
McAuley dragged to the ground. As cynical been mentioned on the Sunday game yet?
Ease off on the whinging lads, save it for championship 2014
Kerry tiring. Dubs will kick on now. Even winning Kerry's kick outs, Cluxton should take note.
hopefully the ref can keep out of it now - he's done enough harm
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Error ridden half. Can't believe the Dubs will be as bad in the second half, defensively they are a shambles. As for the penalty, I don't know what Cluxton can do when Walsh barged straight into him. Incompetent ref. Saying all that its still full of incident, if not any great quality.
Jesus man will you stop, 'not any great quality' there's top notch stuff here.
Yes it's exciting with plenty of scores, but there are a lot of mistakes. I wouldnt be too influenced by some of the rubbish those agenda driven panellists spout.
Take off the tin foil hat, we aren't influenced by the opinions of others we can form our own. I've yet to see a game without mistakes.
Brogan, Connelly and the Dublin half backs beginning to dominate.
Donaghy on for Galvin.
Cooper lucky, lucky boy.
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
Cooper lucky, lucky boy.
Should have walked. Kerry tiring badly.
Disagree, Cooper tried to get the ball missed by a fraction due to the Gooch getting a foot to it first. Not a yellow.
foul but no yellow, tried to get the ball
Cooper (Dublin) prevents certain goal and injures gooch by a cynical foot trip, Will Brolly by him a drink?
Intention doesn't come in to it, he went for it, missed and tripped the man
Cooper has been very good for Dublin.
dublin man didnt get the foot under it there, saying the ref pulling men for it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2013, 04:48:38 PM
foul but no yellow, tried to get the ball
if it was lucky then dublin were due a decision - they've got nothing all day
Serious intensity from the dubs, all over the kerry boys when they're trying to play the ball out
Quote from: trileacman on September 01, 2013, 04:48:46 PM
Cooper (Dublin) prevents certain goal and injures gooch by a cynical foot trip, Will Brolly by him a drink?
Wonder if Joe will want to be a part of this?
I was thinking O'Donoghue was quiet for a while, but nice point there.
Brilliant stuff tbf
Hard to call it.
Still think Dubs.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
Intention doesn't come in to it, he went for it, missed and tripped the man
Of course intention comes into it.
The stage is set for mcmanaman
the tyrone lads enjoying the game or only taking note of the drag down foul count which isnt too many to be honest!! Good game of football
Taking brogan off, go figure that??
nearly humble pie there for me
Any odds on a replay?
Am still looking good for my draw
Draw possible here.
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2013, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
Intention doesn't come in to it, he went for it, missed and tripped the man
Of course intention comes into it.
I must have missed that in the rulebook!!! :o So any late challenge is ok so long as you meant to be there on time??
Dubs need a lot of chances to get scores.
Probable equaliser here.
Mistake to take Brogan off. Now that tackle was cynical.
Cynical from Sherwood.
black card is no good - we need reds for fouls like that
Level
Dubs dominant in midfield.
Ref a joke.
Cormac Reilly having a stormer for Kerry.
Gooch blocking a defenders run and another drag to the ground.
I called it :)
Goal for the dubs
Its all over goal. humble pie it is!!!
I agree, that was an awful decision and what a goal now!!!!!
A complete fluke!
justice is done. Ref gave kerry +5 and it wasn't enough. Thats a serious squad Dublin have
MDMA did well to win the ball in the lead up to the goal
Congrats Dublin
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
MDMA did well to win the ball in the lead up to the goal
Congrats Dublin
He did. Two Kerry men were better positioned to win it but he knocked away very well.
Another goal.
End of an era!
Retirements to ensue!
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
Gooch blocking a defenders run and another drag to the ground.
Would you ever shut the fcuk up.
2 late goals, but a very close game, still think Mayo may have enough to take them, kerry Tired from 50mins in. Alot of old legs there, and some famous names i think we wouldnt see back, and on that Tomas O`Se the best NO.5 i have ever seen.
Stunning game of football congratulations to both teams.
Hateful bunch of jackeen kn**ker fcukers!
Cluxton taken out of it. No 23 for Kerry 2nd drag to the ground. Dub forward getting a piggy back from a Kerry back. Disgusting cynical stuff.
Syf was right all along, Kerry legs went in the last minute or two or normal time and the Dubs took advantage!!
One of the highest scoring "big" games of late.
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 05:08:21 PM
Cluxton taken out of it. No 23 for Kerry 2nd drag to the ground. Dub forward getting a piggy back from a Kerry back. Disgusting cynical stuff.
Cynical posting.
Ref bottled it with Dublin's Cooper. Could have made a big difference......
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 01, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
Some great scores but some chronic defending and as much "cynicism" as in any other game. Not that the Sunday Game game would admit those simple facts in a million years.
You haven't a clue
Ah right, well sure if you say so.
Kerry need a more mobile midfielder, and alot of young legs, whether the players are there are not i dont know, some bad fouls but nothing compared to previous games i seen. great game of football, nearly back to the old days of 1 on 1 defending
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2013, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
Gooch blocking a defenders run and another drag to the ground.
Would you ever shut the fcuk up.
You shut the fcuk up.
100% rugby tackles going on in last 10 mins.
Now is your stage Mr Brolly.
Bitter Tyrone knackers.
brilliant match. dubs subs the difference. big call not to send jonny cooper off.
Mayo wouldnt falter though round the 50mins mark fitness wise and in the past have managed to turn Dublin over. I like the look of this Dublin team however, and if they drop Brennan, bring in McMahon and Rock they look a Better team. Have always had alot of time for kerry though and this game could seen the end of the 2 O`Se, 0`Sullivan, and possible galvin, some of the very best players of the past 10yrs, Donaghy will go to but i never did think he was on a par with bomber liston and was a very hyped player who got the best out of his physical attributes
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2013, 05:17:48 PM
Bitter Tyrone knackers.
Turn back over to the soccer ye pillock
And Brolly did bring up the fouling, to kept his tyrone brethen happy
Turning point - cooper kicking cooper to stop him getting in for goal and the ref not issuing the appropriate yellow card and leaving dubs with 15 for rest of game!
Very enjoyable game all the same.
Well done the dubs I think they will put it up to mayo.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
A good clean match, Kerry were edged out by a superb Dub performance.
In hind sight a draw might have been the best result, i think i would have like to see this game again but Dublin have greater depth and Dean Rock made a big different when he came on. The old Kerry team when 4 pts up would have pushed on but the legs werent there, In hindsight, there were maybe a better Team 6/7yrs ago than i thought
Kevin was going for goal, it was no shot at a point.
I feel sorry for the Kerry supporters now, all the junkies will be leering at them and worse. 7 million should have been down to 14 at least, their cynical fouling was disgraceful. At the end of the day it's hard for any team to beat 7 million. Don't think Mayo will have much of a chance either.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 01, 2013, 05:21:15 PM
Turning point - cooper kicking cooper to stop him getting in for goal and the ref not issuing the appropriate yellow card and leaving dubs with 15 for rest of game!
Very enjoyable game all the same.
He should have seen the line surely...big big call which would have put the dubs under some p
But what a game of football. Was out of breath watching it. Fierce stuff and fair play to both teams and management for it.
Roll on the final now
True but that's balanced by the soft peno in the first half
Sure it is. Whilst I agree with brolly about the cynicism in Kerry football. I'm also open minded enough to feel sorry for a team robbed
Quote from: trileacman on September 01, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
Kevin was going for goal, it was no shot at a point.
This. It was extremely unclassy of Spillane and O'Rourke to suggest otherwise.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Quote from: trileacman on September 01, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
Kevin was going for goal, it was no shot at a point.
I think only he himself is the only one who knows for sure. Fair or not, it looked like a miskicked point attempt to me. Those who watch him regularly in club football will have a more informed opinion than me, of course. May be one of his little tricks.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
True but that's balanced by the soft peno in the first half
Soft? You tackle a man further out the pitch around the neck its a foul and yellow. No different in the wee square
Dont Matter. .you're some pollution sir
Maybe not the game of the decade, but right up there
Kerry should have reacted to the NCT test they had last year. They haven't been up to speed for a while.
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
Challenge match lol, hell no, this is the way gaelic football should be played for a spectator sport, not the crap Donegal brought to the table last year. If Donegal were good enough they play this way but havent got the players to do this, and hence revert to this ultra defensive style to try and turn teams over
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
Challenge match lol, hell no, this is the way gaelic football should be played for a spectator sport, not the crap Donegal brought to the table last year. If Donegal were good enough they play this way but havent got the players to do this, and hence revert to this ultra defensive style to try and turn teams over
You can (deservedly) criticize Donegal this year or in 2011, but I fail to see how anyone with a clue could find much fault with the way they won the AI last year.
Well done Dublin. Should be a great final and good luck to both teams. We have some rebuilding to do but hats off to the lads that lined out today. They did the jersey proud and that's all we can ask of them.
Great game by 40 or so amateurs in front of 82,000 fans. Where else in the world would that happen?
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
True but that's balanced by the soft peno in the first half
Soft? You tackle a man further out the pitch around the neck its a foul and yellow. No different in the wee square
Dont Matter. .you're some pollution sir
Maybe not the game of the decade, but right up there
a charge with the shoulder into his chest. Anywhere else on the pitch is a free to the defender
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
No way was it a penalty, there was a clear charge first.
Huge intensity, not at the level of some other games in the past but getting 13 men behind the ball isn't the only way to have intensity in a game.
Brilliant game.
Roll on the final, can't wait.
It was a brilliant game, with an amazing atmosphere. The first 20-25 minutes was just a joy to there.
Game did not lack any intensity - not sure how it came accross on tv but both teams looked to have left it all on the pitch. Admission fee was worth it alone to watch Gooch in the first half.
One question I have is how Paddy Andrews is persisted with by Jim Gavin. Thought he was Dublin's weak link before the game and during it he did nothing to suggest be should be starting.
Not a patch on a middlin' hurling match though ;)
Well done Dublin.
I think its time we took out a contract on Kevin Mc. Once bitten.......... ;)
A glorious end for one of football's greatest teams.
I was surprised at how long Kerry hung with Dublin for the script was unchanged, they simply didn't have enough gas in the tank. Even before they went 20-19 up you could see the legs fading. Declan O' was in front of his man for a pass on the Hogan sideline and his man accelerated past him and hovered up the ball before Declan could get a hand on it. That's when I knew it was probably game over for Kerry.
They showed the resolve of true champions and made this match into a classic and a masterclass of how football should be played in tactics, skill and vision. The best sport on Earth.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
Bollocks.
Donegal were immense last year.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
True but that's balanced by the soft peno in the first half
Soft? You tackle a man further out the pitch around the neck its a foul and yellow. No different in the wee square
Dont Matter. .you're some pollution sir
Maybe not the game of the decade, but right up there
i thought o'rouke called it right, he defiantly charged at cluxton and if cluxton hadnt brought the arm up round the neck it would have been a free out. once he did that though , it was certain to be a penalty
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2013, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
We're all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
Bollocks.
Donegal were immense last year.
Immense my arse. If you think I'm going to sit back and listen to some of their fan piss all over a great game of football in preference to the absolute dross they dished up last year you've another thing coming
Challenge match intensity my arse.
Brilliant game. Dublin were the best team, but Kerry sowed enough seeds of doubt in their minds for them to be able to hang in there. I predicted Dublin to just about shade it, despite other people around here saying Kerry would win. I thought Walsh charged with the ball myself before Cluxton put up the hand, once he put the hand neck high, there was always one outcome though. I suppose Kerry will be annoyed about the non-awarding of a yellow to Johnny Cooper.
The final will be a massive task for Mayo though.
Donegal are not good enough to play this type of football like a number of teams in the country, last time they tried Cork opened them up with ease
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Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
it all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
Yeah, I figured you, being the clown you are, would be along to overreact, as usual, to an innocuous comment. I was talking about McStay's "game of the decade" comment and comparing to all the hype a decade or so back to a Kerry-Galway shotfest where barely a hand was put in in an attempt to make a tackle. I didn't say today was like a challenge match. I said I thought it lacked intensity. I understand if you thought it was intense given your vested interest. As for the rest of your usual hyperbole, don't worry, it looks like your nemesis McGuinness will be gone soon enough!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
Challenge match lol, hell no, this is the way gaelic football should be played for a spectator sport, not the crap Donegal brought to the table last year. If Donegal were good enough they play this way but havent got the players to do this, and hence revert to this ultra defensive style to try and turn teams over
That's a ridiculous statement to be honest. Donegal scored 2-18 in the Ulster Final last year. They clearly weren't as defensive as 2011. Anyway not every team can play all out attack with electric pace.
Dublin and Mayo have been class to watch this year but its hard to expect every team to play that type of football if they haven't that type of player.
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Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
it all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
Yeah, I figured you, being the clown you are, would be along to overreact, as usual, to an innocuous comment. I was talking about McStay's "game of the decade" comment and comparing to all the hype a decade or so back to a Kerry-Galway shotfest where barely a hand was put in in an attempt to make a tackle. I didn't say today was like a challenge match. I said I thought it lacked intensity. I understand if you thought it was intense given your vested interest. As for the rest of your usual hyperbole, don't worry, it looks like your nemesis McGuinness will be gone soon enough!
Only a GAA agnostic would think that wasn't a great game today. I've never in my life met a more bitter set of fans then your shower towards us. If we never played you again it wouldn't be too soon.
Goodbye and good luck!
Great game between two fine sides, was a pleasure to be there to see it. Very little between them in truth, was level with 67 mins on the clock the big difference was the impact of dublin subs.
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Oh don't worry. Like the Gay Rugby World Cup, we'll see a Gay All-Ireland c'ship before we know it ::)
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Tomas O Se deserves a special mention after another brilliant display for about 45 mins but unfortunately like a few other great Kerry stalwarts the body gets to a stage where it won't responds to what the mind wants. Big rebuilding job ahead for Kerry. Mayo will be happy tonight however. The quality of this game is already being seriously overhyped.
Game was riddled with loose marking and mistakes. Reminded me of the AI semi final between Dublin and Mayo in 2006!
I thought McStay's "game of the decade" comment was ridiculous.
it all aware that Ulster can bring the game to the other extreme, but there is a happy medium. It is possible to have a good intense game with attacking football, superb passing AND good defending. I remember the hype way back in the early 2000s over a Kerry v Galway game (the AI final one?) with lots of loose marking and nice score taking. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but to me it was like watching a challenge match. Nice football and exhibition of the skills are vital, of course, but you have to have the intensity and suspense when you're talking "game of the season/decade" stuff.
Challenge match? No player left anything out on that pitch. Was a a dose of fresh air compared to the sh1te fests Donegal have served us recently
To clarify, the "challenge match" comment was about the Kerry-Galway game hype I mentioned in the previous sentence in that paragraph. Although that match today was certainly lacking intensity, for me. Exciting at times with some nice football, yes. Game of the decade level? Not a chance!
And yes, Donegal were awful this year.
We're helping to bring football back to the people along with Kerry and Mayo. You're welcome to play rugby league over in the UK next year. I hear they are looking for some new entrants. You'd do well over there.
There is a reaosn why Donegal couldn't participate in a game like that today.
Because you're not good enough. Challenge match intensity- what a load of rubbish. Similar to the rubbish football we've been subjected to by your players masquerading as Gaelic Footballers
I won't be too disappointed if we lose the final. Mayo play the game the way it should be played. let the best team win.
Commiserations to Kerry- little bit of tweaking for them to do but they'll be back sooner rather then later hopefully. Simply because they play the game the way it was envisaged in 1884.
Yeah, I figured you, being the clown you are, would be along to overreact, as usual, to an innocuous comment. I was talking about McStay's "game of the decade" comment and comparing to all the hype a decade or so back to a Kerry-Galway shotfest where barely a hand was put in in an attempt to make a tackle. I didn't say today was like a challenge match. I said I thought it lacked intensity. I understand if you thought it was intense given your vested interest. As for the rest of your usual hyperbole, don't worry, it looks like your nemesis McGuinness will be gone soon enough!
Only a GAA agnostic would think that wasn't a great game today. I've never in my life met a more bitter set of fans then your shower towards us. If we never played you again it wouldn't be too soon.
Goodbye and good luck!
Bitter towards Dublin? Only in that twisted, demented mind of your's Indiana!
Rollercoaster of a game.
Firstly hard luck to Kerry posters here, not Kerry's greatest fan by any means but they were carried out on their shields today. Worrying imo for Kerry is that their best players were their oldest today.
Delighted to finally exorcise the hammering of 2009. Great finish from the lads.
From where I was penalty looked harsh.
Pity vast majority of Dublin fans there today won't get a ticket for the final.
Very interesting final. Mayo with their own demons v the team they have humiliated twice in recent years. Don't think Mayo fans realize how much the Dubs are out for revenge.
One of the better days in CP but not worth a damn if final is lost. Wouldn't begrudge Mayo a win but not at our expense.
Quote from: Canalman on September 01, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Rollercoaster of a game.
Firstly hard luck to Kerry posters here, not Kerry's greatest fan by any means but they were carried out on their shields today. Worrying imo for Kerry is that their best players were their oldest today.
Delighted to finally exorcise the hammering of 2009. Great finish from the lads.
From where I was penalty looked harsh.
Pity vast majority of Dublin fans there today won't get a ticket for the final.
Very interesting final. Mayo with their own demons v the team they have humiliated twice in recent years. Don't think Mayo fans realize how much the Dubs are out for revenge.
One of the better days in CP but not worth a damn if final is lost. Wouldn't begrudge Mayo a win but not at our expense.
How did Mayo humiliate you?
By beating you??
I really hope this is what the Dubs are talking about. But I'd be fairly sure they are smarter than that.
Donegal playing great football last year and the game today being a great game aren't mutually exclusive
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Quote from: Canalman on September 01, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Rollercoaster of a game.
Firstly hard luck to Kerry posters here, not Kerry's greatest fan by any means but they were carried out on their shields today. Worrying imo for Kerry is that their best players were their oldest today.
Delighted to finally exorcise the hammering of 2009. Great finish from the lads.
From where I was penalty looked harsh.
Pity vast majority of Dublin fans there today won't get a ticket for the final.
Very interesting final. Mayo with their own demons v the team they have humiliated twice in recent years. Don't think Mayo fans realize how much the Dubs are out for revenge.
One of the better days in CP but not worth a damn if final is lost. Wouldn't begrudge Mayo a win but not at our expense.
How did Mayo humiliate you?
By beating you??
I really hope this is what the Dubs are talking about. But I'd be fairly sure they are smarter than that.
Well I thought were hammered/ humiliated on both occasions. My opinion anyhows. More so in 2006.
We haven't beaten Mayo 1st time out in nigh on generations I think.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
Donegal playing great football last year and the game today being a great game aren't mutually exclusive
Except, Dublin have been playing great football all year.
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Hateful bunch of jackeen kn**ker fcukers!
whats your problem????????
Quote from: Canalman on September 01, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
We haven't beaten Mayo 1st time out in nigh on generations I think.
Long may it last ;D
That was to put it simply an absolutely fantastic game of football,certainly the best i've ever seen. I hope that is not the last we have seen of Tomás Ó Sé (he was brilliant today) and perhaps his brother Marc, Paul Galvin and Kieran Donaghy playing in a Kerry jersey. They have given us all such great entertainment over the last decade.
game hadnt a patch on the all ireland semi or final in 2005. Visually if we are moving into an era where defenses arent needed then It should be a good laugh going forward.
Kerry lost the game because they didnt rip down McMenamen whereas the Dubs took out Cooper going through. that was the difference in the teams.
Whilst it was an entertaining game and made for compelling viewing I would not confuse that for QUALITY. There were numerous kicks that drifted over sidelines, easy chances spurned from both free kicks and play and lots of errors. Having said that it was an intense battle played largely in the right spirit and with less of the cautious possession based, no risk football we are often served up. It was definitely an enjoyable match.
The actual quality of a match sometimes gets exaggerated by people getting caught up in the atmosphere of a Dubs match in front of a full house. Add to this some people's romanticised view of the Dubs v Kerry thing and there is almost a willingness to glorify the spectacle.
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
game hadnt a patch on the all ireland semi or final in 2005. Visually if we are moving into an era where defenses arent needed then It should be a good laugh going forward.
Kerry lost the game because they didnt rip down McMenamen whereas the Dubs took out Cooper going through. that was the difference in the teams.
For me, in terms of pure quality of football, 2005 was the best year of the modern era with some great matches between Tyrone, Armagh and Kerry sides either at or close to their peak. And I say that as someone with no love for Tyrone.
come on Tyrone posters....it was a brilliant game of football. You guys must be over last weekend by now ;)
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
game hadnt a patch on the all ireland semi or final in 2005. Visually if we are moving into an era where defenses arent needed then It should be a good laugh going forward.
Kerry lost the game because they didnt rip down McMenamen whereas the Dubs took out Cooper going through. that was the difference in the teams.
See that sums your ethos on Gaelic football and the quicker your thinking is fucked off through a proper addressing of the games rules the better and your ilk can go and ..........
You haven't an ounce of gra for the art of our great game, ye make me sick.
Get over last wkend, they spend the whole game looking for drag downs. think there were about 5 black card type tackles in the game which wasnt too bad, didnt think the ref was as bad as people are making out, he tried to let the game flow, the Kerry man ran into the keeper but the ref has no replay and from his angle it would have looked as if the keeper dragged him down. Cooper incident probably was a yellow card and it may have changed the game. Overall seen alot worse ref wise
Hi lads,
Tactical analysis of Dublin's win over Kerry now up, with a reference to Henry V to boot (took me a while to fit one in this season)
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7618
Emmet
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
Get over last wkend, they spend the whole game looking for drag downs. think there were about 5 black card type tackles in the game which wasnt too bad, didnt think the ref was as bad as people are making out, he tried to let the game flow, the Kerry man ran into the keeper but the ref has no replay and from his angle it would have looked as if the keeper dragged him down. Cooper incident probably was a yellow card and it may have changed the game. Overall seen alot worse ref wise
i actually think the ref did quite well today, let the game flow as much as possible.made one or two errors, but overall contributed to an enjoyable game.
However lets not kid ourselves by saying this was cynical foul free,there were as many examples of the cynical foul as any other game (from both sides) The difference was the 3 clowns in the rte studio didnt have a meltdown today, so there is no mention of it.
for me though it didnt spoil the entertainment, even though I have seen higher overall quality games, it was certainly enjoyable.
Anywhere to watch a replay or highlights of the game online
Quote from: yellowcard on September 01, 2013, 08:28:54 PM
Whilst it was an entertaining game and made for compelling viewing I would not confuse that for QUALITY. There were numerous kicks that drifted over sidelines, easy chances spurned from both free kicks and play and lots of errors. Having said that it was an intense battle played largely in the right spirit and with less of the cautious possession based, no risk football we are often served up. It was definitely an enjoyable match.
The actual quality of a match sometimes gets exaggerated by people getting caught up in the atmosphere of a Dubs match in front of a full house. Add to this some people's romanticised view of the Dubs v Kerry thing and there is almost a willingness to glorify the spectacle.
I wouldn't confuse it for the puke football Tyrone entertained us with in 2003 and Donegal's ultra puke effort last year.
There was nothing romantic about the dross dished up in either year. Except everything that's bad about the game
well done dublin and Kerry on a fantastic game of football. Great to watch our game being played mostly at its best. hoping for a final with the same qualty.
Quote from: haze on September 01, 2013, 06:50:21 PM
It was a brilliant game, with an amazing atmosphere. The first 20-25 minutes was just a joy to there.
Game did not lack any intensity - not sure how it came accross on tv but both teams looked to have left it all on the pitch. Admission fee was worth it alone to watch Gooch in the first half.
One question I have is how Paddy Andrews is persisted with by Jim Gavin. Thought he was Dublin's weak link before the game and during it he did nothing to suggest be should be starting.
Best game I've ever seen. Class football from both sides. Although 7 in it at the end it still felt like a one score game. I agree about Andrews. He lacks conviction and is the weakest of the forwards.
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Did Kerry loose this game by bringing on Donaghy and playing the long ball? They were doing very well up until then.
I thought it was a great game.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Hugely entertaining game of football by 2 brilliant teams. Yes there were plenty of mistakes and errors as well and defences were bring ripped apart but it was some spectacle for the viewers.
The movement of the Kerry forwards and the display by Gooch was incredible.
Dublin took advantage of some poor enough defensive play by Kerry to keep in touch and you just got the feeling that the longer the game went on, Dublin would make Kerry pay and the Kerry older legs would get Dublin over the line. To see Kerry get beaten by 7 in the end was rough justice on them and on Gooch, Tomas, Marc O'Se etc etc.
But in the end Dublin got the result and good luck to them in the final.
Mayo will believe they can beat them.
Dublin look like a team afraid of no one.
Can't wait to the 22nd.
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Yes, do explain.
The Dubs 2nd Goal was a miskick by the look of it, he seemed to be going for a point, looking at the highlights there
Did Cluxton do an "Aidan O'Se" ala last weekend ?
Everyone seeing the cynical fouling by the dirty 7 millions? Then Cluxton takes a dive. Disgrace to the GAA.
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
I'm hoarse from roaring on Dublin today and still buzzing from what was a brilliant occasion - and one that will live a long time with me.
But, from both sides, I saw rugby tackles, third man tackles, sly follow-throughs, diving, digging, a possible gouging, plenty of verbals, lots of off-the-ball stuff and time wasting too - no clothesliners or spitting noted but a fair degree of hypocrisy about all the same.
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
Quote from: Orior on September 01, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
Did Kerry loose this game by bringing on Donaghy and playing the long ball? They were doing very well up until then.
Maybe not lose it but he contributed very little. The spark is gone, he cant get off the ground anymore.
Declan O Sullivan had a chance to kick what may have been a winner in the 69 minute. It was that close.
Mannion s goal was very important in that it kept Dublin in it.
dont think no ones denying alot of the not so nice things of gaelic were evident today, there was the usual mouthing especially the dub full bck line, the keeper did not seem to be hit in the face when he went down, about 4/5 drag down tackles too, i think the fact the game was open and lead to many scores over shadow the usual crap that went on that comes to the fore when a game is off poor standard and all the negative stuff comes to the fore as there is nothing of quality to talk about. Besides the decade only started 2010/11 so there hasnt been to many stand out games in the past 2yrs
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Once the hype of the occasion dies down, maybe more level heads will look over the game again. There's little point in making rational points on the standard of the game in terms of play, point and goal taking etc. on here because there's little point in discussing matters with such hard of thinking idiots who wish to self-confirm their own prejudices instead. That's definitely not to say that it wasn't an entertaining game with some great play, high drama and good scores, but there was some of the less desirable e.g. Kerry's wasted opportunities for points that eventually came back to haunt them, Johnny Cooper lucky to stay on after his trip on Colm Cooper, and other points gone over ad nausem elsewhere. Definitely a strong candidate for MOTY but perhaps more a reflection on the standard of championship football this year - I saw the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final first game between Kerry and Dublin in Thurles on TG4 recently and IMO it was a better game overall than today's match up.
it was in its arse a better game. that was probably the poorest dublin team in 20 years in 2001. Dublin were hammered off the park that day. Only by God's grace and two lucky goals we stayed in it.
If you're going to analyse something at least do it properly and save us the dross.
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Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
I'm not from Tyrone. But I do have tremendous respect for how they put away a sensational Kerry side in 2008.
I can tell you something else. If Dublin face Mayo with the same game plan in 3 weeks time, they'll get slaughtered.
Quote from: Flutehook on September 01, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
I'm hoarse from roaring on Dublin today and still buzzing from what was a brilliant occasion - and one that will live a long time with me.
But, from both sides, I saw rugby tackles, third man tackles, sly follow-throughs, diving, digging, a possible gouging, plenty of verbals, lots of off-the-ball stuff and time wasting too - no clothesliners or spitting noted but a fair degree of hypocrisy about all the same.
Any fish-hooking? Not so bad so.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
I never knew you were such a top man, Indiana.
Free Staters unite.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
+1
Especially about the Nordie shite.
Still think Mayo Dublin is a very tasty final which could go either way, still fancy mayo but unsure about it, the miss of O`Connor could be the difference between winning and losing
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
It's one thing not liking a style of play you perceive as overly defensive but to me, there is a general consensus that thou shalt not criticise a Kerry v Dublin game. Apologies, but Indiana, some of the defending today was criminal, and as often happens in such circumstances is people think the high scores reflect two great performances and glosses over the defensive errors. And if you can deny the level of "cynicism" today then you are nothing more than a sheep repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game because this game had it all...hauling down, tripping, off the ball hits, late tackles, wrestling, yellow cards to beat the band etc etc. A high scoring game? Yes. Great scores? Yes. Poor defenses? Yes. Error strewen? Yes Cynical? Yes.
Indiana as usual on donegal's case. Donegal 2012 and 2011 were vastly different. In 2012 they were involved in some very entertaining games. 2011 no but 2012 yes. That doesn't suit your blinkered view though.
Great game. The big difference was fitness / conditioning i thought. Kerry had to work so much harder in defense to get the ball moved, midfield too, and that eventually took it's toll. Strength in depth a factor too. Donaghy made no impact whatsoever.
Great final on the cards. I hope for a mayo win but hard to say what will happen. Dublin have won two now by wearing teams down. They'll not do that to mayo. First final in a good few years where the teams would be more or less evens to win.
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
Any fish-hooking? Not so bad so.
Sorry - I thought that was indigenous Munster shite.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
I'm not from Tyrone. But I do have tremendous respect for how they put away a sensational Kerry side in 2008.
I can tell you something else. If Dublin face Mayo with the same game plan in 3 weeks time, they'll get slaughtered.
i wouldn't be worrying yourself about our game-plan. Mayo don't have a Gooch. So it's a different type of challenge. their best forward also is carrying a serious injury. Completely type of game.
I've plenty of respect for Tyrone in 2005. That was a fine year's football. But 2008 was average in my view- spear-headed by Sean Cavanagh who damn well won the thing on his own.
The reality is Ulster has been left behind this year playing an outdated style of football.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Once the hype of the occasion dies down, maybe more level heads will look over the game again. There's little point in making rational points on the standard of the game in terms of play, point and goal taking etc. on here because there's little point in discussing matters with such hard of thinking idiots who wish to self-confirm their own prejudices instead. That's definitely not to say that it wasn't an entertaining game with some great play, high drama and good scores, but there was some of the less desirable e.g. Kerry's wasted opportunities for points that eventually came back to haunt them, Johnny Cooper lucky to stay on after his trip on Colm Cooper, and other points gone over ad nausem elsewhere. Definitely a strong candidate for MOTY but perhaps more a reflection on the standard of championship football this year - I saw the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final first game between Kerry and Dublin in Thurles on TG4 recently and IMO it was a better game overall than today's match up.
Outrageous! Dont know whats worse - making it a "contender" for game of year or comparing it to dublin kerry 01. Today's game was a great game. And in comparison to what went before it this year it was a classic.
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 01, 2013, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
That was a wonderfully entertaining game of football.
But Dublin scored 3.18. Think about this, they kicked 3.18 in an AI semi final. It wasn't like Mayo va Tyrone in 2004 when everything they did turned to gold. They kicked 9 wides, put 4 in the keeper's hands, and mucked up the final pass on a few occasions more.
So they had 35+ scoring attempts in 70 minutes of football.
You folks can wax lyrical all you like calling this a classic. But any football match that produces 35 scoring opportunities at one end can mean one thing only: substandard opposition. Players incapable of man-marking, teams incapable of stemming a tide.
This was not a classic.
Tyrone Kerry 2005 and 2008, those were classics.
This is the new Gaelic Football wobbler and you lads ain't able to play it.
Go away and watch your videos from 05 and 08. We won't miss you ;D
It's one thing not liking a style of play you perceive as overly defensive but to me, there is a general consensus that thou shalt not criticise a Kerry v Dublin game. Apologies, but Indiana, some of the defending today was criminal, and as often happens in such circumstances is people think the high scores reflect two great performances and glosses over the defensive errors. And if you can deny the level of "cynicism" today then you are nothing more than a sheep repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game because this game had it all...hauling down, tripping, off the ball hits, late tackles, wrestling, yellow cards to beat the band etc etc. A high scoring game? Yes. Great scores? Yes. Poor defenses? Yes. Error strewen? Yes Cynical? Yes.
I'd take today over the rubbish Donegal offered in 2011 trying to beat us. If we want anything from the game going forward anyone with any interest in the GAA would take today over that calamity.
Colm Cooper or Dermot Connolly for MOM ?
Gooch gave a display that will live long in the memory. Connolly didn't but still gets MOM.
The winner takes it all clearly.
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2013, 10:23:21 PM
Colm Cooper or Dermot Connolly for MOM ?
Gooch gave a display that will live long in the memory. Connolly didn't but still gets MOM.
The winner takes it all clearly.
I don't like Connelly but I thought he was very important for Dublin today.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 10:19:37 PM
I'd take today over the rubbish Donegal offered in 2011 trying to beat us. If we want anything from the game going forward anyone with any interest in the GAA would take today over that calamity.
There were two non-attacking teams that day Indy - BB performed in splendid isolation that day as a one man FF line for most of that match. It wasn't until Lacey got injured and Kevin Mc came on and ran the ball into space that we looked proactive.
Mayo have also become hardened and cynical under Horan - the main reasons they're not being fancied to shit their AI cacks as per usual.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 09:57:51 PM
Once the hype of the occasion dies down, maybe more level heads will look over the game again. There's little point in making rational points on the standard of the game in terms of play, point and goal taking etc. on here because there's little point in discussing matters with such hard of thinking idiots who wish to self-confirm their own prejudices instead. That's definitely not to say that it wasn't an entertaining game with some great play, high drama and good scores, but there was some of the less desirable e.g. Kerry's wasted opportunities for points that eventually came back to haunt them, Johnny Cooper lucky to stay on after his trip on Colm Cooper, and other points gone over ad nausem elsewhere. Definitely a strong candidate for MOTY but perhaps more a reflection on the standard of championship football this year - I saw the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final first game between Kerry and Dublin in Thurles on TG4 recently and IMO it was a better game overall than today's match up.
it was in its arse a better game. that was probably the poorest dublin team in 20 years in 2001. Dublin were hammered off the park that day. Only by God's grace and two lucky goals we stayed in it.
If you're going to analyse something at least do it properly and save us the dross.
It was IMO a better game. You don't have to be strong AI contenders to help deliver your part in a cracking contest and the 2001 game saw both teams be more cohesive in their play with less wides, less unforced errors, less cynicism and more open play (Dublin's shocking start today saw them retreat more men at the back after the first quarter as well as engage with the "multi-man" surrounding the opponent with the ball that you seemingly despise, especially in the second half). It's also a disservice to the Dublin 2001 team when you consider the odds were stacked against Kerry today in a similar fashion before the match, if not more so. I don't need to point out how this Dublin 2013 team is not some sort of pure virginal form of football sanctuary - plenty of other here have already done that. Nor how the 2013 team is better than the 2001 side. But better teams on paper don't necessarily deliver better games. Once the tide of the occasion has went back out to shore and copies of the Evening Herald removed from orifices, if today's game is to be labelled a classic it'll be IMO in the same vein as many labelled as such from the 70's and 80's. And they haven't aged well.
You know for allegedly being steeped in the tradition of the GAA I'm constantly amazed by Ulster's total intransigence to other styles of football
Let me spell out for you and the other contributors. This Dublin team have a different philosophy to the Northern teams. We accept under this style of football we're going to concede scores. This doesn't make our defenders worse then yours- it simply makes them more vunerable. Your lads have the luxury of 10 men in defence- ours don't.
We're setup to attack. you are to defend. The reality is people prefer high scoring games. That's what excites people. Is someone a good defender with 10 men in front of them? Highly debatable.
But at least the Roscommon minors today made some effort to play Gaelic Football because Tyrone certainly didn't. If that's the Ulster Manual Coaching for future success you're welcome to it.
I'll take our style any day of the week. And if it wins us nothing- so be it. Gaelic Football has to address some balance of giving attacking football a chance in the game. Rather then glorifying the cynics and hatchet men the current system has glorifed for too long.
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2013, 10:23:21 PM
Colm Cooper or Dermot Connolly for MOM ?
Gooch gave a display that will live long in the memory. Connolly didn't but still gets MOM.
The winner takes it all clearly.
I don't like Connelly but I thought he was very important for Dublin today.
Agreed, I thought he was very good. Anyone think there was a foul in midfield just before the McManmon goal. When I wound it back I felt there was a push in the back which was missed
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2013, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2013, 10:23:21 PM
Colm Cooper or Dermot Connolly for MOM ?
Gooch gave a display that will live long in the memory. Connolly didn't but still gets MOM.
The winner takes it all clearly.
I don't like Connelly but I thought he was very important for Dublin today.
Connolly certainly was important for Dublin today. Was anyone better than Gooch Cooper today ? Not a chance. But fair play to Connolly he took some great scores and stood tall when needed.
PS Tomas O'Se had a fair decent game as well.
Another thread polluted by Tyrone bitterness. Look, it was a great game of football played hard and for the most part fair. A joy to watch the likes of the Gooch and the O'Se's put in vintage performances in the twilight of their careers. Dublin will be to the fore for the years ahead...time for others to stand up
Hopefully the final is as good as it will be a great end to the season. Money is on Mayo but she could swing either way
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2013, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
+1
Especially about the Nordie shite.
LL, you remind me of one of those gay bashers, who turns out to be secretly gay themselves.
Secretly, I reckon you're a Northern wannabe. Like all you Laois folk.
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 10:00:30 PM
Declan O Sullivan had a chance to kick what may have been a winner in the 69 minute. It was that close.
Yeah, that shot looked like it was sailing over but tailed away - could have been a different result if it went over.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 01, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Yes, do explain.
"
Aul" - a colloquial version of the adjective "
old" meaning "
having existed for a long time or no longer young". Antonym = "
young"
"
Northern" - another adjective, this time meaning "
situated in the north, directed toward or facing the north". Antonym = "
South"
"
shite" - a colloquial version of the noun "
shit" meaning "
exrement or faeces". Considered a vulgar word. No generally accepted antonym
If there are any other words ye're not clear on lads, let me know and I'll be glad to oblige
Colm Cooper was a joy to watch today.One of the all time greats.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2013, 10:45:07 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2013, 10:00:30 PM
Declan O Sullivan had a chance to kick what may have been a winner in the 69 minute. It was that close.
Yeah, that shot looked like it was sailing over but tailed away - could have been a different result if it went over.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 01, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 01, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Aul northern shite. Could you explain please?
Yes, do explain.
"Aul" - a colloquial version of the adjective "old" meaning "having existed for a long time or no longer young". Antonym = "young"
"Northern" - another adjective, this time meaning "situated in the north, directed toward or facing the north". Antonym = "South"
"shite" - a colloquial version of the noun "shit" meaning "exrement or faeces". Considered a vulgar word. No generally accepted antonym
If there are any other words ye're not clear on lads, let me know and I'll be glad to oblige
Hilarious ::)
Anything to avoid answering my post.
Only just seen the highlights as was working this afternoon. Hard to judge from the highlights what the midfield battle was like, but from what I could make out Kerry set out as I thought and from the start moved the ball into the full forward line early and often to set up as many one on ones as possible and the Dublin full back line struggled for a long period. Dublins running and attacking game kept them in it in the first half along with Bernard Brogan's point taking, thought he was superb. Poor decision making in front of goal still seemed to be evident, McCauleys point when Brogan was wide open the most glaring example. However Dublins pace soon took it's toll, it looked as tho Kerry visibly tired going into the last quarter and Dublin kicked for home. From what I could see it did look a cracking game, however 2 trends that have been there all summer continued, Dublin's ropey full back line and Kerry's 2nd half fade out. The former might scupper Dublin while the latter definitely went against Kerry.
Dublin won this game on how they controlled the breaking ball near the end-sometimes calmly palming it to on-rushing team-mates-accelerates a play so much that it's very hard to defend against. Enjoyable game-a real shoot-out. Poor defending and tackling throughout, though-neither side will be happy about this. If we had the forwards from this week and the defenders from last week-that would be some game!
Sorry Mayo but Dublin's to lose.
Just home. That was without doubt the best game of football I've been at. Forget the 77 semi, the Mayo semi,any of the 91 games v Meath, the 2011 final , this had everything. Two teams trying to outscore each other. Yes there were mistakes but my God there was skill ,bravery , honest effort and unreal scores and I take my hat off to Colm Cooper who is without doubt the best footballer I have ever seen play the game. I'll try to give a more "sober " analysis over the next few days but I was sitting beside an american guy who just could not believe what he was watching and said it was one of the best sporting events he has ever attended. COYBIB and as Brendan said Fck the begrudgers
Quote from: BennyCake on September 01, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2013, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 01, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
How can anyone complain about that game? It had almost everything that makes Gaelic footballs great game.
None of yer aul Northern shite anywhere in evidence.
Here's to a fantastic final
+1
Especially about the Nordie shite.
LL, you remind me of one of those gay bashers, who turns out to be secretly gay themselves.
Secretly, I reckon you're a Northern wannabe. Like all you Laois folk.
Alot of Nordies made their home in Laois in the 1970's and 80's......
Quote from: Declan on September 01, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Just home. That was without doubt the best game of football I've been at. Forget the 77 semi, the Mayo semi,any of the 91 games v Meath, the 2011 final , this had everything. Two teams trying to outscore each other. Yes there were mistakes but my God there was skill ,bravery , honest effort and unreal scores and I take my hat off to Colm Cooper who is without doubt the best footballer I have ever seen play the game. I'll try to give a more "sober " analysis over the next few days but I was sitting beside an american guy who just could not believe what he was watching and said it was one of the best sporting events he has ever attended. COYBIB and as Brendan said Fck the begrudgers
Enjoy the win but I think you must be the worst for wear. Best game ever? Come on. This Kerry team are about 3 years past there best and done well to put up such a good showing today but if you ever get a chance to watch the match again you will realise that it was error strewn. Not that it wasn't an enjoyable match, but if it hadn't been a Dublin v Kerry game and if there were 10,000 people at it I don't think anyone would be making such claims.
Random highlights from the day:
The video package of Heffo and Paudi and the round of applause by everyone in the ground. Emotional and perfectly timed.
The Zorb relay at half-time in the senior game. One Dublin team, one Kerry team. The poor Dub ladeen got thrown over inside in his ball almost immediately and his team-mates spent the entire first lap rolling him around in the ball like as if he was in a tumble drier while the Kerry lad stayed on his feet and raced into an insurmountable lead. Never laughed my arse off more at a half-time display before. The cap was the Dublin Zorb deflating and them trying desperately to finish the last lap of the replay while the Kerry lads where being congratulated by the MC.
The spontaneous round of applause for Seamus Heaney was an absolutely unforgettable moment and a wonderful reflection on the country.
The Gooch is the best player to play the game I have ever seen and most likely the best of all-time.
The Dub supporters. Mad as a can of Cakes and all the better for it.
Some of the defending wasn't great however it was the game of year. I said before the game that Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Rock to win this game and thats how it turned out. Kerry more than matched the Dublin throughout that game its a shame we didn't get a replay.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Some of the defending wasn't great however it was the game of year. I said before the game that Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Rock to win this game and thats how it turned out. Kerry more than matched the Dublin throughout that game its a shame we didn't get a replay.
Those old bones would have needed more than six days to recover from that.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Some of the defending wasn't great however it was the game of year. I said before the game that Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Rock to win this game and thats how it turned out. Kerry more than matched the Dublin throughout that game its a shame we didn't get a replay.
Those old bones would have needed more than six days to recover from that.
You would think your opinion on Kerry would have changed after that game but no.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Some of the defending wasn't great however it was the game of year. I said before the game that Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Rock to win this game and thats how it turned out. Kerry more than matched the Dublin throughout that game its a shame we didn't get a replay.
Those old bones would have needed more than six days to recover from that.
You would think your opinion on Kerry would have changed after that game but no.
Why would it have changed?
As I said, Kerry would huff and puff (which in Kerry terms means playing beautiful football) but the legs would tire and I knew they had no one on the bench to change the game, no matter how many times people swore blind that David Moran or Star were game-changers.
The legs did tire in the last 15 and despite two quick passages of play that gave them a 20-19 lead with about five to go the worm had already turned and Kerry looked ragged at the back, and perhaps more tellingly, contesting breaking ball. Kevin Mc's goal wasn't Dublin's first sniff of the net in the final quarter.
Dublin won by seven in the end, let us not forget. Ros have had enough moral victories for me to know how little they are worth.
A classic game, but young v. old was the story before the game and it was the reason for the predictability of the result too.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 01:55:41 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:37:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2013, 01:23:46 AM
Some of the defending wasn't great however it was the game of year. I said before the game that Dublin will need to call upon McManamon,Rock to win this game and thats how it turned out. Kerry more than matched the Dublin throughout that game its a shame we didn't get a replay.
Those old bones would have needed more than six days to recover from that.
You would think your opinion on Kerry would have changed after that game but no.
Why would it have changed?
As I said, Kerry would huff and puff (which in Kerry terms means playing beautiful football) but the legs would tire and I knew they had no one on the bench to change the game, no matter how many times people swore blind that David Moran or Star were game-changers.
The legs did tire in the last 15 and despite two quick passages of play that gave them a 20-19 lead with about five to go the worm had already turned and Kerry looked ragged at the back, and perhaps more tellingly, contesting breaking ball. Kevin Mc's goal wasn't Dublin's first sniff of the net in the final quarter.
Dublin won by seven in the end, let us not forget. Ros have had enough moral victories for me to know how little they are worth.
A classic game, but young v. old was the story before the game and it was the reason for the predictability of the result too.
Last three scores made it seven point win however it wasn't a seven point game, far from it. You wrote Kerry off and you thought this game would be long over before the 70th minute. Dublin were pushed all the way they couldn't have asked for better test before the final and the Dublin bench won the game for them.
Kerry did what they said they were going to do, they put pressure on cluxton and Dublin couldn't handle it. so there's hope for mayo(not much). in the end Kerry ran out of steam and Dublin had slightly more on the bench. cant understand why nobody has cottoned on to mcmenamin he only has one game and hes not a big player francie would have put him in the stand that is if geezer hadn't done it first..
star has lost it.. gooch is a legend, o se lost his speed. galvin trousers too tight.. Kerry in transition
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2013, 10:36:13 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 01, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
It was IMO a better game. You don't have to be strong AI contenders to help deliver your part in a cracking contest and the 2001 game saw both teams be more cohesive in their play with less wides, less unforced errors, less cynicism and more open play (Dublin's shocking start today saw them retreat more men at the back after the first quarter as well as engage with the "multi-man" surrounding the opponent with the ball that you seemingly despise, especially in the second half). It's also a disservice to the Dublin 2001 team when you consider the odds were stacked against Kerry today in a similar fashion before the match, if not more so. I don't need to point out how this Dublin 2013 team is not some sort of pure virginal form of football sanctuary - plenty of other here have already done that. Nor how the 2013 team is better than the 2001 side. But better teams on paper don't necessarily deliver better games. Once the tide of the occasion has went back out to shore and copies of the Evening Herald removed from orifices, if today's game is to be labelled a classic it'll be IMO in the same vein as many labelled as such from the 70's and 80's. And they haven't aged well.
You know for allegedly being steeped in the tradition of the GAA I'm constantly amazed by Ulster's total intransigence to other styles of football
Let me spell out for you and the other contributors. This Dublin team have a different philosophy to the Northern teams. We accept under this style of football we're going to concede scores. This doesn't make our defenders worse then yours- it simply makes them more vunerable. Your lads have the luxury of 10 men in defence- ours don't.
We're setup to attack. you are to defend. The reality is people prefer high scoring games. That's what excites people. Is someone a good defender with 10 men in front of them? Highly debatable.
But at least the Roscommon minors today made some effort to play Gaelic Football because Tyrone certainly didn't. If that's the Ulster Manual Coaching for future success you're welcome to it.
I'll take our style any day of the week. And if it wins us nothing- so be it. Gaelic Football has to address some balance of giving attacking football a chance in the game. Rather then glorifying the cynics and hatchet men the current system has glorifed for too long.
Indiana, I try my best to not insult the intelligence of posters unless they really deserve it, so I will reply assuming you are still on a high after the win over Kerry this weekend.
Dublin's current style of play is a simple evolution of the style of play that has been going at the top levels for a number of years. It isn't exactly revolutionary or plucked out of a bygone age, and has been moulded through different managers over the years. The style of play Dublin applied in winning the All-Ireland in 2011 was arguably more defensive that Tyrone have ever played under Mickey Harte. In fact I was in awe after the game as to how Dublin, for the sake of pundit language, out-Tyroned Tyrone. The only problem was that such a defensive set up led to fears about the semi against Donegal being a low scoring affair due to two heavily defensive set ups and that ended up being the case - albeit not helped by the Dublin forwards having a very poor game with only two Dublin points from play. So from your POV about how you view "Ulster's total intransigence to other styles of football" (not that there is one uniform style of football practised in Ulster), to say "This Dublin team have a different philosophy to the Northern teams" is rubbish. A different style? Yes, but that doesn't dismiss that this current Dublin side are happy enough to apply blanket defences and crowd bodies around an opponent with possession or into a small area where possession is being contested. This was visible on TV, god only knows what it would have been to view it at the upper tiers of Croke Park. IMO The mistake early on Dublin made was expecting Kerry to not have a significantly different game plan to what they had against Cavan, the rest after the first 20 minutes of the game is well covered already. So no bluffing about "Your lads have the luxury of 10 men in defence- ours don't". I don't have much time for slabbers or cute hoors.
As for "We're setup to attack. you are to defend. The reality is people prefer high scoring games. That's what excites people. Is someone a good defender with 10 men in front of them? Highly debatable", the 2003 Tyrone side you rubbish earlier in this thread chalked up the following scores in their championship matches... 0-12, 0-17, 1-17, 1-17, 0-23, 1-21, 0-13, 0-12. I'll leave others to judge wherever they think such scorelines racked up are of a team that are heavily defensive minded. Also, I'm sure you meant to say "Is someone a good defender with 10 men behind them?"
As for the slur on our minor team - I only got to see parts of the game today (long last couple of weeks for me, but that's nobody else's business) but one thing I noticed during the course of the game is that Tyrone played better later in the course of the game by getting rid of the sweeper and it ultimately won them the game. If I want to go down the road of lazy stereotypes myself, maybe if you had been in Croke Park or turned on the telly more than five minutes before the Senior throw-in, you would have noticed this.
And if we want to talk about "glorifying the cynics and hatchet", there's a ready made line-up of Dublin players from the past that are ready to enter that hall-of-fame.
Finally, before you say that I should not compare the playing style of Dublin teams of the past to the 2013 Dublin team, I would also point out that it would be just as dishonest to use any other county team before this year as an example to suit ones prejudices.
For myself, I appreciate both good attacking and good defending in the vein of good shots on target, good tackles, good tactics, good passes, good saves, good blocks etc. What has been shown plenty of times over the years is that teams that focus too heavily of defensive work will hit a wall at some point. To win an All-Ireland you have to be capable of adapting your game play to suit the match that you are in at the big moments for when it is called for. Dublin actually did that today, like it or not.
From a Tyrone POV, the county teams getting to an All-Ireland semi-final, a NFL Division 1 final, a McKenna Cup and the minors getting to the All-Ireland final hasn't been a bad innings. The only major disappointment is at Under 21 level which is something I think needs attention after a series of underacheving over the years.
If you have a reply that has substance, then feel free. Otherwise that's it from me. Quote The Biff.
The Tyrone team in 2003 will only ever be remembered for that game in 2003 against kerry. Sad but unfortunately it was an awful game to watch. I was at it. But it was a pity that a fine football team will only be remembered for that. They did play good football in the other games but were too negative at times. They were trying to get over the line and they won.
I thought your minor team were ultra negative. If Roscommon had taken their taken their chances they'd have won the game. I think any neutral would have said the same. If that's your template then good luck to you because it won't be a successful one at senior level anymore. You can't take any criticism of any of your teams it seems. But it was a poor semi final in my opinion.
Armagh tried to play football this year and were lacerated by every Northern critic because of it. Crossmaglen have done it relatively successfully recently as well. I would hope Grimley sticks to what he knows and doesn't listen to these critics. There is a different way to play the game and thankfully some counties have been brave enough to do so.
Too many bad county teams and club teams in recent years have resorted to playing 13 men behind the ball and won nothing. But they continued to do it because we were told- you couldn't win anything without it. When you see u16 club teams playing 12 men behind the ball as I've seen in recent years- you know the game is up.
Gaelic Football was heading for the abyss until this year. We can thank our lucky stars some football managers have said enough is enough and restored some of the true values of the game. If that doesn't sit well with you -fine Maybe you need to broaden your horizons on how the game should be played.
But anyone who tries to tell me the 2001 Dublin and Kerry game was better then that yesterday- because they felt yesterday lacked intensity is kidding themselves. If tyrone had played Kerry yesterday and won 3-18 and 3-11 it would have been the greatest game of all-time. But because it's dublin that's not allowed.
The great thing is its not just Dublin. Mayo have played fabulous football this year as well. Kerry like-wise. And as I said above Armagh tried to and Crossmaglen have been really good under Mc Entee.
When Barcelona win matches 4-3 we talk about attacking football. But when Gaelic Football teams try the same we always say "you can't play like that"
Dublin won the game because cooper took out cooper and Kerry didn't rip down mcmenamen. Dublin cheated and it paid off
I was asked a while back to explain "auld northern shite"
I would have thought it was quite obvious to most on here....
Negative tactics
Blanket defence
Sledging
etc etc
What we saw yesterday was glorious in its simplicity - reminded me of the old Brazil mantra of the 70s and 80s. Hey, you may score 2 but we'll score 3.
For neutrals (well for me anyhoo) this is the way football is meant to be. Some others may like the chess like way to approach football....I certainly don't.
The game had its faults but no game is 100% perfect. But this was as close as we are likely to see.
On a final note I don't think we'll see Donaghy in a Kerry jersey again. And I don't think too many will miss him
QuoteOn a final note I don't think we'll see Donaghy in a Kerry jersey again. And I don't think too many will miss him
That's a bit of a harsh thing to say about a guy who has given up a lot for the game.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 01, 2013, 05:07:55 PM
Hateful bunch of jackeen kn**ker fcukers!
Suck it up Benny.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
QuoteOn a final note I don't think we'll see Donaghy in a Kerry jersey again. And I don't think too many will miss him
That's a bit of a harsh thing to say about a guy who has given up a lot for the game.
He also got a player of the year???
What a match yesterday. Easily the game of the year, and the best game I've seen in years. I expected Kerry to run out of steam and I don't think that happened yesterday. Maybe a little harsh, but I think K McManamon goal was lucky. I was screaming for him to put it over and was shocked when it hit the net. Also Dublin Cooper may possible should have been sent off. In any case, Dublin defensive was excellent at times (which seems madness to say when the team coincided 3-11) . Kerry quick ball really made it hard for Dublin to setup defensively, but when they did manage I think it was excellent. Unfortunately, the gloss on Cluxton championship year is definitely taken away. Forced into allot poor kickouts. Another bad day and a sublime performance from Rob Hennelly may (& i mean a big may) put his All-Star in danger.
Fair play to Kerry, better luck next year.
Now time to absorb yesterday and move to Mayo v Dublin thread.
Quote from: rrhf on September 02, 2013, 07:52:27 AM
Dublin won the game because cooper took out cooper and Kerry didn't rip down mcmenamen. Dublin cheated and it paid off
ffs ......................... ::)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 02, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
I was asked a while back to explain "auld northern shite"
I would have thought it was quite obvious to most on here....
Negative tactics
Blanket defence
Sledging
etc etc
What we saw yesterday was glorious in its simplicity - reminded me of the old Brazil mantra of the 70s and 80s. Hey, you may score 2 but we'll score 3.
For neutrals (well for me anyhoo) this is the way football is meant to be. Some others may like the chess like way to approach football....I certainly don't.
The game had its faults but no game is 100% perfect. But this was as close as we are likely to see.
On a final note I don't think we'll see Donaghy in a Kerry jersey again. And I don't think too many will miss him
Drivel of the highest order. This game had CHRONIC defending, a multitude of errors, eye gouging, tripping, hauling down, sledging, frontal charges, third man tackles, head high 'tackles', players wrestling on the ground off the ball, I don't know how many yellow cards. Was this just typical "auld eastern shite"? Or "auld south-western shite"?
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A good game indeed, but highly cynical, poor defending and error strewn? Undeniably.
Nothing for you here Nally, all your heroes are long gone. Even Gerry's mighty wee men didn't make the cut.
Republic of Ireland Championship etc.
Poor defending?
This is what happens when ONE defender marks ONE attacker as opposed to the keystone cops nonsense nordies seem to love.
'Tis a pity they best game we've seen in a long time has descended into a "thank god we've seen an end to Nordie football"
Spoke to a mate who was at it and he said he hadn't seen a game like it since Derry Dublin in 1993. I wasn't at the game but the Tyrone Dublin game of 2005 would have been a hard one to match for atmosphere and quality.
Both teams going into the final have plenty of weaknesses so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. I think with the loss of O'Connor Dublin definitely have the better forwards but then Mayo have a better defence and midfield. It will be intriguing.
Jim Gavin is a breath of fresh air and it's good to see his team playing this way rather than the dross Gilroy served up. For all the talk about Dublin saving football from Donegal they were pretty negative themselves 2 years ago and all around this is a much better team!
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2013, 12:12:14 PM
Nothing for you here Nally, all your heroes are long gone. Even Gerry's mighty wee men didn't make the cut.
Republic of Ireland Championship etc.
What
are you on about?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 02, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
I was asked a while back to explain "auld northern shite"
I would have thought it was quite obvious to most on here....
Negative tactics
Blanket defence
Sledging
etc etc
Negative tactics - I take it you never seen footage of Dublin in the 70's/80's or Meath in the 90's.
Blanket Defence - Armagh in 2002 may have been the first team to turn that system into a match winner but it existed before that. Kildare under Mick O'Dwyer in 1998 used it. I have a video of John O'Mahony commenting on Kildares blanket defense prior to the final that year.
Sledging - Sorry but your just talking balls with that one.
This was a great match yesterday and whilst I don't know where it rates with past big games, I have to say I really really enjoyed watching it and suppose if I'm to be honest that is partially because of the outcome.
Whilst a lot of ye are focusing on the negative side of things like comparing this type of game to say Tyrone & Donegal's style over the last few years I will try to look at the more positive side of the same story.
Lots of people are saying how great Gooch was yesterday and how it's a joy to watch a player (even if lots of us don't like him or Kerry) of his immense ability have the room to play such delightful passes and shots. Whether you think its naive of a manager or team to not double mark him or have two or three extra men back there to crowd him out, you have to admit that it makes for a much more enjoyable spectacle if we can see the most skilful players in our games be allowed to play. We saw Stephen O'Neill kick some amazing scores from crazy angles earlier this year and in other years but then more often than not he got double marked and we didn't see much of him during the rest of the year.
Dublin could easily have lost this match yesterday and of course the negative minded begrudger could have said, sure why didn't they play more defensively. Surely they should have known ye don't win anything now with all out attack football. Yes they did bring men back the odd time but not in the way a lot of teams have been doing so obviously where they only end up with 2 forwards inside their own half.
For me the game has changed a lot over the last 10 years. I think Armagh, Tyrone and lately Donegal have had a huge impact on tactics and how the game is now played. However, in my eyes there seems to have been a change of heart this year from teams like Mayo, Dublin and a few others. Gavin knew he was close to losing yesterday and I think he changed his tactics a bit to provide some cover for his defence.
I for one look forward to the mayhem the black cards will bring next year and I hope Mickey Harte and others will leave behind the more defensive mindset and try to promote attacking football over having 10 defenders. Watching our minors throw of the shackles yesterday and go out and kick some wonderful scores was great to watch. I hope lots of young kids got to see Gooch yesterday and dream of playing like that in Croke park some day.
Otherwise we might as well start playing tennis or something.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:13:23 PM
Poor defending?
This is what happens when ONE defender marks ONE attacker as opposed to the keystone cops nonsense nordies seem to love.
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But sure at least there was no cynicism eh?
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:-X
QuoteGood a game as I've seen in a while, but not quite as good as Dubkin v Mayo in '06. Now that was drama until the last kick of the ball!
Glad a non-Mayo said that as I was of the same opinion but would have got slated here for saying so. It was a better game in '06 for numerous reasons, 1 - because the scoring on that day was far and away more spectacular and 2 - we were such underdogs and 3 - a comeback from 7 down was regarded as amazing at the time (not so now).
Quote from: OakleafCounty on September 02, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
Negative tactics - I take it you never seen footage of Dublin in the 70's/80's or Meath in the 90's.
Blanket Defence - Armagh in 2002 may have been the first team to turn that system into a match winner but it existed before that. Kildare under Mick O'Dwyer in 1998 used it. I have a video of John O'Mahony commenting on Kildares blanket defense prior to the final that year.
Sledging - Sorry but your just talking balls with that one.
:o
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 02, 2013, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2013, 12:13:23 PM
Poor defending?
This is what happens when ONE defender marks ONE attacker as opposed to the keystone cops nonsense nordies seem to love.
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But sure at least there was no cynicism eh?
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Good ones Nally. Why do people think Kerry were only able to score 6 points in the last 45 minutes?
Hint - maybe Dublin tightened up their defence ;)
We had 4-13 in the first 25 mins, 0-15 in the next 43 minutes and then 2-1 in the last few minutes.
Also did the Sunday Game ignore the Cooper on Cooper incident which should have been a second yellow??
I think we have this outpouring of relief that a so called non defensive minded team have made it to the final and that's why so many are now overstating how good this game was.
The fact there was so many scores, especially goals and loads of incidents from start to finish is a breath of fresh air to many neutrals.
If you look at Donegal for example and I am just picking them as they are a recent example of what I mean. Pre-McGuinness Donegal did play a nice brand of open attacking football and many people liked to see them do well. Their fans would get the odd day out in Croke park but usually lacked that bit of quality and know how to get over the line against the bigger guns.
McGuinness changed that mindset and played to a strict defensive based system. They had 2 great forwards(now 3) and showed what can be achieved if everyone buys into such a system. Their fans (quite similar to my own county) soon saw the benefits of this and they too stood behind the new system. The Tyrone v Donegal games over the past 3 years have been total wars of attrition and in most people's eyes NOT a very nice spectacle. Yes it's interesting to see the tactical battles but we rarely see good passes or great scores. Yet the fans know it can work and so we all defend it to the hilt. Tyrone played most of their games this year with only 2 or 3 forwards and focused mainly on turnovers and then running the ball up the pitch. Slow and very laborious attacks. It proved quite successful as it got it to the AI semifinal but pretty it is not. With the exception of some great runs and scores from Sean Cavanagh, we didn't have much to cheer about all year.
This is why I think there is such an over reaction to the game yesterday as most fans are fed up watching these intense defensive games over the past number of years and want to see football return to being much more open and off the cuff. Even Dublin's win in 2011 wasn't great football but it had been a long time since they won it and Gilroy had to fight fire with fire to get them over the line.
Look ladeens - Donegal were more than worthy Champions last year and whoever wins with whatever style this year will also be worthy Champions.
that last photo looks like a sure suspension for me, hard to say it looks accidental even though ross is not looking at him
Always great to see Kerry bate. Killarney still haunts me...On a scale of hatefulness, the Dubs are only mildly hateful compared to them Kerry ones.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 02, 2013, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
I think we have this outpouring of relief that a so called non defensive minded team have made it to the final and that's why so many are now overstating how good this game was.
The fact there was so many scores, especially goals and loads of incidents from start to finish is a breath of fresh air to many neutrals.
If you look at Donegal for example and I am just picking them as they are a recent example of what I mean. Pre-McGuinness Donegal did play a nice brand of open attacking football and many people liked to see them do well. Their fans would get the odd day out in Croke park but usually lacked that bit of quality and know how to get over the line against the bigger guns.
McGuinness changed that mindset and played to a strict defensive based system. They had 2 great forwards(now 3) and showed what can be achieved if everyone buys into such a system. Their fans (quite similar to my own county) soon saw the benefits of this and they too stood behind the new system. The Tyrone v Donegal games over the past 3 years have been total wars of attrition and in most people's eyes NOT a very nice spectacle. Yes it's interesting to see the tactical battles but we rarely see good passes or great scores. Yet the fans know it can work and so we all defend it to the hilt. Tyrone played most of their games this year with only 2 or 3 forwards and focused mainly on turnovers and then running the ball up the pitch. Slow and very laborious attacks. It proved quite successful as it got it to the AI semifinal but pretty it is not. With the exception of some great runs and scores from Sean Cavanagh, we didn't have much to cheer about all year.
This is why I think there is such an over reaction to the game yesterday as most fans are fed up watching these intense defensive games over the past number of years and want to see football return to being much more open and off the cuff. Even Dublin's win in 2011 wasn't great football but it had been a long time since they won it and Gilroy had to fight fire with fire to get them over the line.
I think the problem is that too many people have trouble separating sport and art. Sport - any sport - has its primary aim of determining victors and ranks based on a common set of rules and/or objectives. The entertainment value is simply a by product of how this is carried out. Nearly all sporting battles don't provide a high level of entertainment on their own can can provide individual moments. See the likes of soccer where on the EPL most games are forgettable almost instantly. High amounts of scores naturally occurring doesn't necessarily make it better, otherwise basketball would be a world game. Tyrone in the 80's and 90's were too worried about art and not as concerned about being competitive and this was learned harshly in 95 & 96. To me that was the turning point in the county as to how to approach football. Yesterday's game reminded me quite a lot of the Tyrone vs. Down Ulster SFC final in 2003 (the first drawn game) which was hugely entertaining, high scoring, fairly open and had the pre-match underdogs not reading the script, but it was not without some sloppy play and shooting or some controversial incidents. Call me cynical or call me biased but had yesterday's game in Croke Park been between two sides that were not called Galway, Dublin or Kerry, it would not be getting anywhere near the post-match hype. That's why IMHO anyone coming out with the cliche "as it's meant to be played" is less concerned about the nature of sport and wants more to be entertained, or is trying to be cute/playing a psychological card. Perhaps a by product itself of an Irish mentality of being event junkies rather than committed supporters resulting in Gaelic games holding more importance to knockout or semi-knockout competitions as opposed to leagues elsewhere. Ignoring that more televisual coverage is more extensive than in the 80's and 90's, and there are more championship games in football thanks to the back door system, is the entertainment value of gaelic games as a whole now worse than what it was in decades gone by? In my opinion the answer is no. If sporting bodies feel that their competitions need to have a more entertaining value placed on them, then it is up to respective rule makers to make that so - but it may come at a cost elsewhere.
There is no cost to making Gaelic Football more entertaining. None.
Simply because we are starting from such a low base. The quality of football in recent years has been very poor and quite frankly boring to watch.
I thought 2011 was good. Dublin played a decent mix of attack and defence broadly similar to Tyrone in 2005.
Tyrone were enthralling to watch in 2005 I thought. But bloody awful in 2003 if I'm honest. Unfortunately Tyrone reverted to the 2003 model with inferior talent this year and got nowhere.
And that's the crux for me. The belief that a blanket defence will win you something has become the excuse for every bad club team in Ireland to try it. To ignore attacking play and how to play Gaelic Football. Instead revert to hand passing and dragging men behind the ball.
I've no problem with defence. But I've a major problem with the direction Gaelic Football has gone in recent years.
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
I would have no doubt in saying that on a football level that Dublin are the best team to watch in this years championship and in terms of pure talent they have the best footballers in the country by some distance. Their training matches alone must be highly competitive. In saying that I genuinely hope Mayo win the AI final, they have suffered enough final heartache and they need and deserve an AI far more than Dublin. It's a hard game to call ATM.
However, put yourself in the shoes of a manager who knows that he clearly has inferior footballers than his main competitors and you might appreciate that they have to find another way to try and win. The best example is the McGuinness model in Donegal which was a victory for systems and coaching players to play in a pre programmed manner. It's not the way I like to see the game played but I can totally understand his rationale for doing it. Until the rule makers adjust the rules to make the game more attractive with more kicking involved there is always the possibility that a defensive possession based approach can triumph again.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 05:41:00 PM
that last photo looks like a sure suspension for me, hard to say it looks accidental even though ross is not looking at him
self contradiction at its finest
Not at all, he not looking directly at him but he knows where his hand is, and the finger seems to be in goochs eye, did the same thing not occur in a rugby game this yr when the guy was cited even though he didnt look were his hand was?
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
Quote from: Whishtup on September 02, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
Always great to see Kerry bate. Killarney still haunts me...On a scale of hatefulness, the Dubs are only mildly hateful compared to them Kerry ones.
Have to agree. I still wake at night scared from the growls of a Kerryman in the row in front of me that day. But then there's Maurice Fitz. The beauty, the ease, the style, the scores. And off I go to sleep again, content. And sure what about the 2 passes yesterday, the Gooch at his best, thee best, possibly?
Always seem to get on well with Kerrymen at matches. Must be our counties' shared understanding of beautiful football.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 02, 2013, 10:09:51 PM
Not at all, he not looking directly at him but he knows where his hand is, and the finger seems to be in goochs eye, did the same thing not occur in a rugby game this yr when the guy was cited even though he didnt look were his hand was?
I don't know, I don't follow rugby! Was he cited on the strength of a still picture/snapshot or a video. ?
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2013, 01:07:32 AM
Always seem to get on well with Kerrymen at matches. Must be our counties' shared understanding of beautiful football.
Agree, like my chats with albert enstein and shared understanding of time travel.
Quote from: TY14ED on September 03, 2013, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on September 02, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
Always great to see Kerry bate. Killarney still haunts me...On a scale of hatefulness, the Dubs are only mildly hateful compared to them Kerry ones.
Have to agree. I still wake at night scared from the growls of a Kerryman in the row in front of me that day. But then there's Maurice Fitz. The beauty, the ease, the style, the scores. And off I go to sleep again, content. And sure what about the 2 passes yesterday, the Gooch at his best, thee best, possibly?
I think so sir, best I've seen in my lifetime. An absolute joy to watch
Quote from: J OGorman on September 03, 2013, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: TY14ED on September 03, 2013, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on September 02, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
Always great to see Kerry bate. Killarney still haunts me...On a scale of hatefulness, the Dubs are only mildly hateful compared to them Kerry ones.
Have to agree. I still wake at night scared from the growls of a Kerryman in the row in front of me that day. But then there's Maurice Fitz. The beauty, the ease, the style, the scores. And off I go to sleep again, content. And sure what about the 2 passes yesterday, the Gooch at his best, thee best, possibly?
I think so sir, best I've seen in my lifetime. An absolute joy to watch
A much better player now than he was 10 years ago, a maturing artist. Would have always named Maurice Fitzgerald but in 10 years time Gooch will be the known as the greatest.
What a game. Unbeleveeble. open attacking football. About time. Well done lads. taught we were done 5 times at least. 3 cheers for Kev Mc #KerryKiller
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2013, 01:07:32 AM
Always seem to get on well with Kerrymen at matches. Must be our counties' shared understanding of beautiful football.
Ah yes - the 1980 AI Final. I gather they speak of little else during the long winter nights in Templenoe but that particular classic.
I am surprised at some of the games Colm Keys has chosen in his top 10 games. (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/colm-keys-was-dublin-v-kerry-the-greatest-game-gaelic-football-has-seen-29546598.html)
Certainly wouldn't have thought he'd have picked an Armagh v Tyrone game.
I see Wooly (Colm Parkinson) is also speaking out about pundits telling managers how to play the game. (http://www.independent.ie/sport/off-the-ball-pundits-telling-teams-to-play-the-same-way-is-just-nonsense-29549826.html)
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 04, 2013, 10:39:17 AM
I am surprised at some of the games Colm Keys has chosen in his top 10 games. (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/colm-keys-was-dublin-v-kerry-the-greatest-game-gaelic-football-has-seen-29546598.html)
Certainly wouldn't have thought he'd have picked an Armagh v Tyrone game.
I see Wooly (Colm Parkinson) is also speaking out about pundits telling managers how to play the game. (http://www.independent.ie/sport/off-the-ball-pundits-telling-teams-to-play-the-same-way-is-just-nonsense-29549826.html)
I for one thought sundays game was entertaining, exciting, how not to defend (worse than the stuff Meath, Tyrone or Donegal were ever accused of), poorly organised and not of a high enough standard to make a 2000-2013 top ten, never mind all time.
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
youre pictures prove nothing but your post suggest you don't know a good game when you see one ! Are you blinded by inner bitterness and anger?
If that game had of been between Roscommon and Wexford, Offaly and Sligo or Antrim and Clare those teams would have been called naive, torn apart by the very same media for being defensively poor and in danger of a tanking the next day.
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
Don't try and lump us in with your cynical play. We all saw the Tyrone minors on Sunday. Systematically being coached in Tyrone.
I don't agree with Brolly on much but i agree with him on that.
the Gooch is up there in the top 3 of all time forwards, but i still edge to Matt Connor who lead scoring records in the country for 4 or 5 yrs on the trot before it ended all at the age of 26 with a car accident. Had he played to his 30`s he would have broke all time scoring records
I don't think Gooch is ahead of either Canavan or Maurice.
Great, great player, but those men carried weak teams.
I see Darragh O Shea is making lots of new friends in Tyrone with his column in the Times today ;) ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 06:43:05 PM
If that game had of been between Roscommon and Wexford, Offaly and Sligo or Antrim and Clare those teams would have been called naive, torn apart by the very same media for being defensively poor and in danger of a tanking the next day.
The Barbarians v the All Blacks game in 1973. Liverpool v Newcastle in 1996. Are seen as classic free flowing, high scoring games. But they have one thing in common. Poor defenses! Now that is not a bad thing as we need excitement in sport. But as you say, If this game had been between lesser glamorous counties, with a smaller crowd there would be little or no notice taken. I notice Keys has all the Classic games involving Kerry ending on the losing side. Still all this attention on Dublin has been great for Horan. The people in Mayo have came down a notch with expectation. The Display v Donegal has been well forgotten and Mayo are presently seen as a squad with no forward line and no bench.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 06:43:05 PM
If that game had of been between Roscommon and Wexford, Offaly and Sligo or Antrim and Clare those teams would have been called naive, torn apart by the very same media for being defensively poor and in danger of a tanking the next day.
The Barbarians v the All Blacks game in 1973. Liverpool v Newcastle in 1996. Are seen as classic free flowing, high scoring games. But they have one thing in common. Poor defenses! Now that is not a bad thing as we need excitement in sport. But as you say, If this game had been between lesser glamorous counties, with a smaller crowd there would be little or no notice taken. I notice Keys has all the Classic games involving Kerry ending on the losing side. Still all this attention on Dublin has been great for Horan. The people in Mayo have came down a notch with expectation. The Display v Donegal has been well forgotten and Mayo are presently seen as a squad with no forward line and no bench.
You could also say the high scores Mayo produced against Donegal,Galway,London was because of poor defending do you think Dublin will defend as poor as those sides did against you? On Sunday Dublins defense did struggle to cope v Cooper and co however Jim Gavin made the changes at half time and Kerry only managed 0-6 in the 2nd half.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 04, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
Don't try and lump us in with your cynical play. We all saw the Tyrone minors on Sunday. Systematically being coached in Tyrone.
I don't agree with Brolly on much but i agree with him on that.
As if proof were needed that you just repeat what you hear on the Sunday Game, right down to the very adjective describing the alleged coaching style ::)
Quote from: Johnnybegood on September 04, 2013, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
youre pictures prove nothing but your post suggest you don't know a good game when you see one ! Are you blinded by inner bitterness and anger?
I think those busting a gut trying to overstate the entertainment value of the game are doing so out of bitterness. Tyrone weren't playing yet almost all of those straining at the bit to talk about this being a great game seem to be determined to talk about Tyrone. Even Spillane at half-time for some reason. The argument has been made that the game had rigidly one-to-one man marking and was not cynical. Aside from the sheer number of yellow cards, my pictures provide a sample of evidence of swarming defending and of cynical fouling (cynical fouling which included eye gouging, tripping, hauling down, off the ball wrestling on the pitch, etc etc etc. I have stated numerous times that it was an entertaining game, but one of the best ever and free from cynicism? Don't make me laugh!
Mods. ..please ban all Tyrone whingers for 1 week and I'll put an extra £5er into the poor box
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 04, 2013, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 04, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
Don't try and lump us in with your cynical play. We all saw the Tyrone minors on Sunday. Systematically being coached in Tyrone.
I don't agree with Brolly on much but i agree with him on that.
As if proof were needed that you just repeat what you hear on the Sunday Game, right down to the very adjective describing the alleged coaching style ::)
That's an adverb
Quote from: INDIANA on September 04, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on September 03, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 02, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
What was great about yesterday ist hat you had both teams playing attacking football & both teams were actually willing to kick the football.
The main reason more teams don't play this way is because the players are not good enough to do it. Teams like Donegal/Tyrone are full of athletes who can run up and down the pitch all day hand passing the ball to each other.
Football over the last few years has morphed into a game more like rugby/basketball. Players only kick the ball as a last resort. All about hand passing the ball & not giving it away by taking a risk & kicking it.
Jim Gavin criticized & called naive for such attacking tactics. I say fair play to him. Have been a joy to watch all season compared to negative tactics employed both the majority of other count sides, especially the cynical stuff from Tyrone
Take off the blinkers and stop repeating what you hear on the Sunday Game. There are enough sheep in the country doing that already. As alluded to previously, Tyrone were the only quarter finalists to have been fouled more than committed fouls through their games this year. Sundays game had as much cynicism and more as any other game. Eye gouging, wrestling, hauling down, tripping, mouthing, late tackles...the game was abundant with cynicism. I posted the pictures to prove it. I also posted the pictures to show that this notion that the game was played on a rigidly man to man basis is another fallacy. Dublin in particular repeatedly swarmed the man on the ball. I don't know which is more pathetic, the refusal to admit the cynicism etc or the sanctimonious attitude oozing from some dublin posters all of a sudden. Ye have won one All Ireland in 18 years and won it playing defensively. One highly cynical but high scoring game against Kerry in a semi final and ye are patting yourselves on the back as being the guardians of all that is good about Gaelic football.
Don't try and lump us in with your cynical play. We all saw the Tyrone minors on Sunday. Systematically being coached in Tyrone.
I don't agree with Brolly on much but i agree with him on that.
Tyrone are no different than any other team. I haven't actually seen anything more cynical than what Paddy Andrews was at on the Kerry mans back at the weekend.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 04, 2013, 08:42:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 06:43:05 PM
If that game had of been between Roscommon and Wexford, Offaly and Sligo or Antrim and Clare those teams would have been called naive, torn apart by the very same media for being defensively poor and in danger of a tanking the next day.
The Barbarians v the All Blacks game in 1973. Liverpool v Newcastle in 1996. Are seen as classic free flowing, high scoring games. But they have one thing in common. Poor defenses! Now that is not a bad thing as we need excitement in sport. But as you say, If this game had been between lesser glamorous counties, with a smaller crowd there would be little or no notice taken. I notice Keys has all the Classic games involving Kerry ending on the losing side. Still all this attention on Dublin has been great for Horan. The people in Mayo have came down a notch with expectation. The Display v Donegal has been well forgotten and Mayo are presently seen as a squad with no forward line and no bench.
You could also say the high scores Mayo produced against Donegal,Galway,London was because of poor defending do you think Dublin will defend as poor as those sides did against you? On Sunday Dublins defense did struggle to cope v Cooper and co however Jim Gavin made the changes at half time and Kerry only managed 0-6 in the 2nd half.
For your sake i should hope not (and in our case i should hope so)! Three goals conceded in 20 minutes is kamikaze defending.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
I for one thought sundays game was entertaining, exciting, how not to defend (worse than the stuff Meath, Tyrone or Donegal were ever accused of), poorly organised and not of a high enough standard to make a 2000-2013 top ten, never mind all time.
And you can, of course, name these ten superior matches since 2000?! ;D
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=200397 ::)
QuoteHarte questions Dublin - Kerry hysteria
06 September 2013
Mickey Harte believes experts analysing the Dublin-Kerry match found what they were looking for.
Last weekend's thrilling All-Ireland semi-final has come in for nothing but glowing praise in all quarters of the media but Harte says it has been judged by different standards than many of the other championship matches played this year:
"The chorus which rolled forth was that this game had everything," the Tyrone boss writes in his weekly column in The Irish News. "Ironically, lots of games have a bit of everything, but the focus is regularly placed on the negative aspects of the game. Not this time.
"The 'C' word got minimal airing from some and none from others. No particular concern was expressed about the fact that Colm Cooper was foot tripped and consequently deprived of an excellent goal chance after 55 minutes.
"Neither was there any focus on the fact that the perpetrator would have picked up a second yellow card, the Kingdom would have reclaimed the lead by two points and the eventual winners would have been down to 14 men for the last vital 15 minutes.
"It didn't seem to matter a jot that the yellow card count went into double figures.
"For sure, this was a great contest, but was it that good? Or is it as much to do with the 'experts' focusing primarily on what they wanted to see and engaging their blind spot for that which was distasteful? Another prime example of 'you get more of what you look for'?
"Did the experts not notice that a prerequisite for such a scorefest is some rather juvenile and naive defending? Perhaps, in their opinion, there is no skill in quality defending."
Look at the minor game. Then look at the senior game.
Last Sunday provided a very stark reminder of the difference between trying to play football and trying to spoil football. Every team tries to play football when they have the ball, every team tries to spoil at points in a match.
It's the pre-programmed mindset and approach to the game that defines if you can be labelled defensive, attacking, dirty or cynical.
Enjoy figuring a way around the black cards, Mickey.
Starting in a wee minute on TG4.
Quote from: drici on January 19, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Starting in a wee minute on TG4.
Coaching video on how not to defend. Next week, Tyrone, how really not to defend.
Kevin McManamon! Again!!! The wee bollix!!!