See the Sunday Game were pitching to get this game played in Croke Park
Really looking forward to this. A quare test of where Tyrone are.
Quote from: ONeill on July 03, 2016, 11:14:01 PM
Really looking forward to this. A quare test of where Tyrone are.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Tyrone conceded 5 goals in two games against Cavan.They would not be in the Ulster Final had they met either Donegal and Monaghan.The 2016 Ulster Final was played in Cavan last night.Tyrone have no chance of beating Donegal.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2016, 06:41:21 PM
Tyrone have no chance against Donegal.They ship far too many scores and will get no change from Donegal's mean defence
Game over I'm afraid.........for Donegal
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 03, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
See the Sunday Game were pitching to get this game played in Croke Park
Noted. WTF has it to do with them where it's played?
Mickey Harte hasn't spoken to them for years and they're putting words in his mouth about where the final should be played.
RTÉ desperately trying to be relevant, with their worst nightmare materialising before their eyes. Fcuk 'em, partitionist prats! :)
Rory Gallagher will have plenty of work to do to stop those Tyrone half-backs and forwards charging up the field, unchallenged, in gangs like they did against Cavan and Derry. And Donegal will have to ensure they don't carry the ball into contact and allow Tyrone the turnovers to counter attack so quickly.
Our third ever meeting in the Ulster Final.
One each so far:
1972 Donegal 2–13 Tyrone 1–11 (Donegal's first title)
1989 Tyrone 0–11 Donegal 0–11, replay Tyrone 2-13 Donegal 0–7
Of course, more recent history is on Donegal's side, with five wins in last seven championship meetings, and four in last five years.
Most of those games were tight though, and Tyrone are further on in or even past rebuilding, so its not like they have a huge gap to close.
Will be nervous for this one, as we don't really know how good Tyrone are. They could hammer us, or we might grind it out.
Could use Neil Gallagher back for this.
Really looking forward to this. At the moment I think most Tyrone people suspect that the current squad are the real deal after a few years in the wilderness. I know Tyrone have been in 2 All Ireland semi's in the last few years but I did not think that Tyrone supporters were overly convinced that the side could beat some of the bigger guns in those years. This year feels different and Donegal represents a massive step up for this side. If Tyrone can deal with what our friendly neighbours will dish out in a few weeks time and can come out on top they will hold no fear for anyone else in Croke park later in the year. This sides graduation day has to be an Ulster Final win over Donegal.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 03, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
See the Sunday Game were pitching to get this game played in Croke Park
Croke feckin Park! Will it not get enough games this year?
Set up for a brilliant final and a very hard one to call. Tyrone are going to be up against the best defence and most physical team they've faced this season. We look in great shape at the minute with runners and quality all over the pitch but this will be the acid test for the team. Its been years since we beat a top three or four team in the championship and this is definitely the best chance. An ulster title would give the players some confidence heading into the quarters.
I can't see it being moved out of Clones. There would be some logic in Croke Park though. The game is sure to attract massive interest and you could be turning away 15 to 20000 supporters by playing it in Clones. Also Croke Park is much more family friendly in terms of seating. But its hard to beat Clones on ulster final day.
I think the present Tyrone team are the only team capable of putting it up to and beating Dublin. Some of the scores seen yesterday were top drawer and their middle eight players are the best in the country. They are vulnerable in their full back line but I believe they will beat Donegal in the final and go and to reach an AI final. Are they good enough to beat Dublin? I think they are still on an upward curve and this year might be too early but I certainly believe that Harte has found another top level team. They have even cut out the cynicism and cheating, and this relatively positive PR that they have been receiving this year is always important when it comes to the tight matches. They have fought against a perceived wisdom that they were the source of all that was evil in gaelic football for a number of years (much of it warranted, some of it not) but this gradual change in opinion can do them no harm either.
At the start of the year I thought Donegal would beat Tyrone but after the Derry game I swung the other way and now I'm back to thinking Donegal will do it.
Tyrone are a good side but I think Donegal have the psychological advantage over the last few years and they have improved through their Championship games. Tyrone in fairness haven't played a team at Monaghan's level yet which will count against them. In reality they should have had Cavan out of sight in the first game which shows a bit of weakness on their part and Donegal's forwards will capitalise on that.
I reckon Donegal by 2.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 04, 2016, 08:40:06 AM
Set up for a brilliant final and a very hard one to call. Tyrone are going to be up against the best defence and most physical team they've faced this season. We look in great shape at the minute with runners and quality all over the pitch but this will be the acid test for the team. Its been years since we beat a top three or four team in the championship and this is definitely the best chance. An ulster title would give the players some confidence heading into the quarters.
I can't see it being moved out of Clones. There would be some logic in Croke Park though. The game is sure to attract massive interest and you could be turning away 15 to 20000 supporters by playing it in Clones. Also Croke Park is much more family friendly in terms of seating. But its hard to beat Clones on ulster final day.
I would much rather it was played in a jam packed clones than a half empty Croke park
If it's a dry day, Tyrone will win this. Time for a new order in Ulster :)
Relax folks about the talk of moving it to Croker.
The lads on RTE just mentioned that it would be a great game for the neutral to attend as it's been such a poor championship so far. They depend on Ulster for some entertainment this time of year so we can burn ourselves out before Kerry and Dublin walk into a semi-final on their home turf.
I think the exciting thing about this final is that it's hard to know what Tyrone will bring or where they are really at.
I think we've saw Donegal's hand quite clearly in the last 2 games v Monaghan although Monaghan's defence didn't look as tight as it usually does on the highlights I saw last night.
Tyrone though have beaten div 2 teams all year and whilst they tore Cavan to pieces yesterday after they scored their first goal, you know they also can struggle against a very tough defensive system or at least they have in the past. As many have said this team do seem different and like every year you don't know how good you are until you play against a top team.
Donegal's lack of discipline could be a worry as they continue to stretch the rules to the limit and get a man sent off (although usually in the last 10 mins) and I hope Tyrone don't get caught up in such stuff. I wonder will we see Justy marking Murphy again like he did last year in the first round. Lacey seems to be making a lot more mistakes this year but McGrath and McGlynn are playing very well.
I have a good feeling about Tyrone this year and am very excited how many scoring chances we are creating. In previous years we hardly ever created goal chances but this year we seem to be creating loads but then again maybe that's more to do with our opposition so far. I think it will be an intriguing final and it's a big difference that it's not a home match for Donegal. Croker would suit Tyrone better I think and it will be interesting to see does Mickey push for that.
Leinster final is on the same day so its highly unlikely to be in croke park. I couldn't see them coming to any arrangement to play a double header and fill it. As I said earlier its hard to beat the buzz of Clones on Ulster final day. Should be a great occasion. The losers likely to have to face Mayo or Monaghan if they lose which be a nightmare coming of a defeat.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 04, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
Leinster final is on the same day so its highly unlikely to be in croke park. I couldn't see them coming to any arrangement to play a double header and fill it. As I said earlier its hard to beat the buzz of Clones on Ulster final day. Should be a great occasion. The losers likely to have to face Mayo or Monaghan if they lose which be a nightmare coming of a defeat.
Would it not be an open draw against four teams at that stage? As far as I am aware of if we were to get beat in Ulster final and win the subsequent qualifier we'd play Dublin in QF as we couldn't meet Donegal.
It would be one of the b teams in round 4 of the qualifiers for the losers which includes Mayo, Monaghan, Cork. If you won that you then couldn't play the ulster champions again so would have to meet Dublin in the quarter finals followed by probably Kerry in the semis. It's fair to say you don't want to be losing the final or your in big trouble.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 04, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
Leinster final is on the same day so its highly unlikely to be in croke park. I couldn't see them coming to any arrangement to play a double header and fill it. As I said earlier its hard to beat the buzz of Clones on Ulster final day. Should be a great occasion. The losers likely to have to face Mayo or Monaghan if they lose which be a nightmare coming of a defeat.
Move the Leinster final to Clones so that the Dubs don't get every game at home.
Could you imagine the dubs in Clones.... f**k that would be a sight
From a Tyrone point of view I would go with the same starting side as yesterday it has the right balance to it. Think only one of Richie Donnelly and McShane can play in the same team and McShane has being going well of late.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 04, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
It would be one of the b teams in round 4 of the qualifiers for the losers which includes Mayo, Monaghan, Cork. If you won that you then couldn't play the ulster champions again so would have to meet Dublin in the quarter finals followed by probably Kerry in the semis. It's fair to say you don't want to be losing the final or your in big trouble.
Yeah, the reward for winning the Ulster title this year is more than a cup and a medal.
Winners would be very strong favourites to get to the All Ireland final.
Losers would have to beat play Dublin and Kerry to get to the final.
Thought it would be interesting to look at the changes to both teams over the last four meetings. I have looked at both teams that started at the weekend and then compared these to the starting teams from 2011-2015 (I have replaced Gillespie with N McGee as he will definitely start on 17th and only missed out through suspension):
Donegal: MA McGinley, P McGrath, E McGee, N McGee, R McHugh, K Lacey, F McGlynn, R Kavanagh, O MacNiallais, A Thompson, M McElhinney, E McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, M O'Reilly.
Tyrone: N Morgan, A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron, T McCann, J McMahon, R McNabb, C Cavanagh, M Donnelly, C McShane, P Harte, N Sludden, C McAliskey, S Cavanagh, R O'Neill
Donegal
2011
P Durcan, K Lacey, N McGee, P McGrath, K Cassidy, A Thompson, Marty Boyle, R Kavanagh, K Rafferty, M McElhinney, M McHugh, R Bradley, C McFadden, M Murphy, P McBrearty
2012
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn, E McGee, K Lacey, A Thompson, R Kavanagh, N Gallagher, David Walsh, R Bradley, M McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden.
2013
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee, A Thompson, Declan Walsh, F McGlynn, N Gallagher, R Kavanagh, David Walsh, L McLoone, R Bradley, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden
2015
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee, R McHugh, K Lacey, F McGlynn, N Gallagher, M McElhinney , M O'Reilly, O MacNiallais, C Toye, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden
Tyrone
2011
P McConnell, M Swift, J McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, S Cavanagh, B Dooher, B McGuigan, P Harte, O Mulligan, M Donnelly, S O'Neill.
2012
Tyrone: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
2013
Tyrone: N Morgan, PJ Quinn, C Clarke, C McCarron, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, C Gormley, C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, P Harte, Mark Donnelly, M Penrose, S O'Neill, C McAliskey
2015
Tyrone: M O'Neill, A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron, R McNabb, Justin McMahon, P Harte, C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh, R Brennan, M Donnelly, B Tierney, D McCurry, C McShane, C McAliskey (0-03)
So if you look at the starting line ups at the weekend and compare it to the previous four meetings (when there were 60 starting positions available) then Donegal had 36/60 (60%) players starting versus Tyrone's 24/60 (40%). The biggest difference, if you're looking at miles on the clock, is if you compare the 2011/2012 sides to the weekend's starting teams. This comes in at 17/30 (57%) for Donegal compared to Tyrone's 5/30 (17%).
I also think if Gallagher were to make changes to his team (e.g. fitness improvements) then the chances are that Donegal's percentages would actually climb and ours would drop as our subs bench is mainly fresh blood. Take the subs at the weekend, for example. Donegal brought on Mark McHugh, Christy Toye and E Gallagher compared to Tyrone's McCurry, Brennan, Bradley, Munroe and Hampsey. This would increase the 2011/12 percentages to 63% v 17%.
Now this analysis is just for the craic and will have no real impact upon the result in two weeks. However, I do think it impacts upon the notion that we may feel psychologically inferior as very few (17%) of the team have been apart of four defeats in a row and our game has changed (improved??) considerably in the past 18 months
Alan Brogan on Tyrone:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-mickey-hartes-men-the-one-team-with-artillery-to-trouble-dublin-34851872.html
The 1989 replay
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0514/701117-video-donegal-v-tyrone-1989/
I remember Scotchy Conway nailing a great last-minute free kick in the drawn game
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 04, 2016, 01:22:58 PM
Thought it would be interesting to look at the changes to both teams over the last four meetings. I have looked at both teams that started at the weekend and then compared these to the starting teams from 2011-2015 (I have replaced Gillespie with N McGee as he will definitely start on 17th and only missed out through suspension):
Donegal: MA McGinley, P McGrath, E McGee, N McGee, R McHugh, K Lacey, F McGlynn, R Kavanagh, O MacNiallais, A Thompson, M McElhinney, E McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, M O'Reilly.
Tyrone: N Morgan, A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron, T McCann, J McMahon, R McNabb, C Cavanagh, M Donnelly, C McShane, P Harte, N Sludden, C McAliskey, S Cavanagh, R O'Neill
Donegal
2011
P Durcan, K Lacey, N McGee, P McGrath, K Cassidy, A Thompson, Marty Boyle, R Kavanagh, K Rafferty, M McElhinney, M McHugh, R Bradley, C McFadden, M Murphy, P McBrearty
2012
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn, E McGee, K Lacey, A Thompson, R Kavanagh, N Gallagher, David Walsh, R Bradley, M McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden.
2013
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee, A Thompson, Declan Walsh, F McGlynn, N Gallagher, R Kavanagh, David Walsh, L McLoone, R Bradley, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden
2015
Donegal: P Durcan, P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee, R McHugh, K Lacey, F McGlynn, N Gallagher, M McElhinney , M O'Reilly, O MacNiallais, C Toye, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden
Tyrone
2011
P McConnell, M Swift, J McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, S Cavanagh, B Dooher, B McGuigan, P Harte, O Mulligan, M Donnelly, S O'Neill.
2012
Tyrone: P McConnell, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McMenamin, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill, J McMahon, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, Mark Donnelly, P Harte, M Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan
2013
Tyrone: N Morgan, PJ Quinn, C Clarke, C McCarron, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, C Gormley, C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, P Harte, Mark Donnelly, M Penrose, S O'Neill, C McAliskey
2015
Tyrone: M O'Neill, A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron, R McNabb, Justin McMahon, P Harte, C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh, R Brennan, M Donnelly, B Tierney, D McCurry, C McShane, C McAliskey (0-03)
So if you look at the starting line ups at the weekend and compare it to the previous four meetings (when there were 60 starting positions available) then Donegal had 36/60 (60%) players starting versus Tyrone's 24/60 (40%). The biggest difference, if you're looking at miles on the clock, is if you compare the 2011/2012 sides to the weekend's starting teams. This comes in at 17/30 (57%) for Donegal compared to Tyrone's 5/30 (17%).
I also think if Gallagher were to make changes to his team (e.g. fitness improvements) then the chances are that Donegal's percentages would actually climb and ours would drop as our subs bench is mainly fresh blood. Take the subs at the weekend, for example. Donegal brought on Mark McHugh, Christy Toye and E Gallagher compared to Tyrone's McCurry, Brennan, Bradley, Munroe and Hampsey. This would increase the 2011/12 percentages to 63% v 17%.
Now this analysis is just for the craic and will have no real impact upon the result in two weeks. However, I do think it impacts upon the notion that we may feel psychologically inferior as very few (17%) of the team have been apart of four defeats in a row and our game has changed (improved??) considerably in the past 18 months
You must be flat out at work!
That's the best thing about a quiet office on a Monday after championship Sunday, plenty of time to digest the action.
Back in the noughties one of the things Tyrone had over Armagh and Kerry was their pace.
We've all heard so much talk this year of how Tyrone MIGHT have what it takes to beat Dublin and part of that is how they defend in such numbers and then break at high speed.
In the drawn match v Cavan Norf mentioned we looked lethargic and slow but we showed a lot of pace again yesterday and on TSG last night they showed how Peter Harte times his runs so he waits until the right time before turning on the afterburners.
In the previous 5 years we've struggled to beat Donegal but maybe this extra pace will be what takes us over the line. Monaghan didn't really seem to test them much on Saturday night as they looked like they's ran out of ideas on how to break Donegal down.
You would imagine Donegal will expect this and so I can see them revert back to keeping a lot of bodies behind the ball and not leaving big holes for Tyrone to break into at speed.
As Omagh Gael showed Donegal are likely to play they regular back 6 with a lot of experience yes but also a lot of miles on the clock. So will this game come down to the old question of experience & age versus youth, speed and inexperience?
What ever happened to McLoone? I thought he was gonna be your next best thing?
Its great to log in to this site at this time of year and not have to open the "Qualifiers" link to see the views on Tyrone .. happy days 8) .. hopefully it lasts !!
Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and
Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and
Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.
That's a serious reward for the winner all-right.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and
Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.
If Mayo meet Donegal they will get a bit of the medicine they dished out in 13 & 15. Donegal were seriously jaded in both those games.
Most eagerly anticipated Ulster Final in years?
I'd argue the past 3 Ulster finals had the two best teams in Ulster as well.
Neutrals seem to be loving all things Tyrone so far this year.
The draw has been kind to Tyrone thus far with arguably the easier first round and clearly the easier semi final.
The past 2 weeks in the trenches will have served Donegal well I'm guessing.
A parting Anglo Celt for about 6 of the Donegal panel.
Tir Chonaill Abu.
Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.
Ahh Jinxy. Where's the fun in that.
Jim McGuinness is certainly talking it up as the game of the decade for Ulster which seems a bit disrespectful to Monaghan. He's more or less saying Donegal have taken over Tyrone's dominance as the force in Ulster but if they beat them now in the final then that's their crowning glory. Indeed he's raising the stakes but I think this is a young inexperienced Tyrone team who are trying to get back to the top table but haven't beaten anyone of note since 2008.
Jim McGuinness: Donegal and Tyrone will give no quarter Irish times
Every so often, the championship creates an extraordinary rivalry, meaning that teams can bring a decade's worth of emotion and envy and celebration and pure competitive desperation into one afternoon.
The Ulster final between Donegal and Tyrone in Clones (and it could be no other place) on July 17th is one of those occasions.
Over the weekend, both teams made efficient work of ensuring they get to spark off each other once again. Against Monaghan, Donegal dominated the game and controlled it and scored with fluency and hit the magic number of 0-17. I felt achieving that scoreline was important in the context of their overall season.
The big guns were firing: Michael Murphy 0-5; Patrick McBrearty 0-4. Marty O'Reilly went into the middle of the park to mark Karl O'Connell and still chipped in with 0-3. Rory Kavanagh and Frank McGlynn put in the kind of big summer performances we have come to expect down the years and the McHughs were full of running.
As a team, Donegal controlled the game and ran with purpose and moved the ball with intent through their hands and they also dealt with Monaghan's key men over the two games – and crucially without the services of Neil McGee.
Mental strength
The replay also means Donegal have Neil McGee back for the final, which is critical. Kieran Gillespie deputised extremely well when he came in at full back and he offers Rory Gallagher an option when he sits down to look at the match-ups against Tyrone. What McGee brings is intensity and explosiveness and a mental strength to the cause which can create a synergy within the team. Other players see Neil taking off and running straight lines and clearing everything in his path and they feed off that. And he has a reputation for handling top-class forwards.
The other half of the Ulster final was a situation where Tyrone just blitzed Cavan. Tyrone's intensity and defensive shape is back. They have youth in their side. They have legs. Three of their six second-half scores were goals, which tells its own story in terms of ruthless execution.
Peter Harte was outstanding; he was on a hat-trick for most of the game and could have got it but finished by scoring 2-3 from play. Cathal McShane, the under-21 from last year, stood out and Colm Cavanagh continued in what has become a really masterful sweeping role. We could pick a lot of players out – Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly: they had conspicuous performances all over the field.
What I really liked was Tyrone's decision making, particularly when they were bearing down on goal. Their turnovers and breaking at speed was so sharp and most of their scores came in transition. They seem to have reacquired their aggressive edge when they move the ball. After 26 minutes it was 2-7 to 0-5 and basically the game was over.
And then Mickey Harte got a good contribution from his bench. So they won the game comfortably and all in all it was a good day's work. In one sense, there is a silver lining for Donegal in the fact Cavan scored 2-17. That will serve as a motivation for Tyrone and it is something they can get their teeth into when they get together in Ballygawley this week. Because they know if they concede that kind of a score in the Ulster final, then they probably won't be Ulster champions.
Both teams got the extra day out and therefore were able to refine their game plan under championship pressure and they can prepare for their latest match-up in a really good state of mind.
So: Donegal versus Tyrone again. Where does it leave us?
This is Donegal's sixth Ulster final in a row. It is easy to gloss over that but it is a feat only achieved by the Down team of the 1960s. I really hope there are as many flags flying around the county for the next few weeks as there were back in 2011, when we were trying to win our first Ulster title in 19 years. Who would have predicted Donegal would make it back to another five finals after that? It is a phenomenal achievement and the core of the team – despite being written off since around 2012 – is there for all six finals.
If you go back to the winter of 2010/'11, Tyrone were going for three in a row in Ulster. They looked almost unassailable and Donegal probably weren't on their radar. They had three All-Ireland titles in their pockets and five Ulster titles.
The Donegal lads had been on the receiving end of that phenomenal run of success on many afternoons. Or else they were simply spectators of Tyrone's success. When I came in to manage Donegal, one thing I was certain of was that we had to plan with great detail to beat Tyrone. They were the standard bearers for the Ulster championship. They were the team everyone looked up to and Mickey Harte was the most respected football mind in the country.
Hanging on
When we went into that 2011 semi-final knowing we knew we had the work done. We knew we couldn't have had put in any more of a sacrifice. But still, it was only when Brick Molloy's shot hit the net in the last minute we knew for certain we had done it. For much of that game, we were just hanging on. We were five points down at one stage and Tyrone had a great goal chance. Had they converted that, it would have left us in a near impossible position. But we clawed our way back and discovered in the minutes where you have to expose your character that we had the belief we needed. And we got through.
The funny thing is Tyrone are in precisely that place now. There is a lot of talk about them and have played some tremendous football but that belief they have won't become something true until – or unless – they win the final.
In 2011, Donegal stung Tyrone. They were really hurting. Because they had no Ulster title, all of a sudden. And so the following year, we knew they were going to come at us with absolute venom. Those dynamics just clashed when the teams met in the semi-final of 2012. It was a 70-minute, non-stop battle. And, when we won that match, that was the moment I felt we started to take psychological control of the dynamic between the counties.
We went on to win the All-Ireland and then in 2013, the teams met in Ballybofey and when Neil McGee absorbed that hit on Stephen O'Neill, that felt like the moment we broke them. Then in 2015, when Rory took over, we beat them again in Ballybofey in another very tense, tough match.
So if you look at the 10-year period before 2011, when Tyrone were to my mind the team of the decade, an absolutely brilliant force, and from 2011 when Donegal transformed their fortunes, it is almost like role reversal.
I go into all this to make one simple point: what this fixture, this Ulster final, means to both sets of players is simply exceptional. Tyrone feel they are back. Donegal feel they can handle Tyrone. Neither will yield a millimetre. So, in terms of the history they share and have made, I believe this game means as much as an All-Ireland final.
This game is going to be defensive, aggressive, intense, competitive. There is a bit of disdain between the two teams. But it will be enthralling. It will be completely gripping because of this sense of a decade of life's work being poured into the effort to win the Anglo-Celt Cup.
The pain of defeat will be more acute for the losers than any other game they have played. And for the winner, it will be one of the sweetest moments of all. And you can bet that both managements and squads will be fixating on this. It is a career defining moment of this particular rivalry. It is an opportunity for the Tyrone team to say: yeah, but you couldn't do it in a final.
Winning this one will help to erase some if not all of the pain inflicted by Donegal. And it is a chance for Donegal to unequivocally claim their place as the Ulster team of this decade.
Organised gameplan
So as the radio men say, there will be no prisoners taken. It will be a stereotypical Ulster championship match drawn from all the ingredients of the Clones afternoons of our childhood. Neither side will surrender the middle of the pitch. Both teams bring pace in certain areas of the field. Both sides have a clear and organised gameplan. It will come down to very fine margins. It will come down to free taking. It will come down to discipline and to big players stepping up. I do believe Donegal hold that edge in terms of marquee forwards and I believe they will win because of this.
It is not just a match to savour – it is a day to savour. They don't come around very often because it takes years to reach the height that this rivalry is now at and, even then, teams seldom have the consistent excellence to clash so often. It will be a privilege for supporters lucky enough to be there. And for the players on both sides, it will be one of the days of their lives.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 05, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.
To be fair, it was a decent game in Ballybofey last year.
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Before a ball was kicked in the championship I had Tyrone down to win Ulster but have changed my mind to Donegal, they've surprised me a little and
Its one of the most important Ulster finals in year given the winner will avoid Dublin, Kerry & Mayo in a semi final. They might play Mayo in a quarter final but Mayo will likely have played good opposition only 6/7 days earlier.
If Mayo meet Donegal they will get a bit of the medicine they dished out in 13 & 15. Donegal were seriously jaded in both those games.
Aye, people are really underestimated the 6/7 day turnaround. Only Tyrone have won a quarter final after coming through a qualifier in the last 5 years and that was probably down to having an easy game in round 4.
That's not what a lot of neutrals thought Benny.
They thought it was much too intense with a lot of cynical play from both sides and then the half time clash.
Many thought Justy's treatment of Murphy was a disgrace how he tormented him all day and blocked his runs etc.
With so much at stake I think it is inevitable these matches become ugly and nasty with winning at all costs high on the agenda. I think they bring out the worst in each other as both tend to not be as bad in other games although we have already seen some incidents with Donegal against Monaghan including the Donegal keeper mouthing off to McManus before the penalty last weekend and the third man tackles.
I don't like to see these 'dark arts' as much as anyone but you are being naive if you can't admit that they tend to happen in most of the BIG games in the championship with several guilty parties including Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry. Most of the year we're complaining that the championship is boring and so one sided with little intensity yet the neutral is quick to jump on any incident when a player over steps the mark. e.g. Donegal's keeper play acting his injury in the drawn game.
I'm not condoning this type of incident but just saying that you tend to see them happening more when in tight competitive games such as Philly McMahon on O'Shea.
So I'm expecting a very intense final with lots of crafty cynical play right on the edge of the rules but I think Tyrone lack that type of player like Neil McGee any more although Donegal might disagree.
Mickey's team selection the last day brought in Justy and McNabb. Two good defenders who played in the half back line and moved Harte & Sludden up to half forward (or at least named them there). I think we will see the same for the final with a very defensive starting line to play a very cautious low scoring game. Ronan O'Neill I thought struggled last Sunday and I can see him left out v Donegal as he will be suffocated under the green and yellow blanket. Anyone who doesn't release the ball quickly will be swallowed up and the break will be on. As Cavan found out on Sunday, losing the ball on the other team's 40 is now a dangerous thing to happen.
Finally I think fitness and the subs bench will play a huge part on Sunday week. I notice Donegal and Tyrone are copying Dublin now in that the kick outs are done very fast and so there is little respite for the players. I would imagine both teams are at a similar fitness level but Tyrone do have a younger bench to come on and so the final 20 minutes could be crucial.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 05, 2016, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 05, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Should be a great game if both teams give the dark arts a rest and play football.
To be fair, it was a decent game in Ballybofey last year.
Maybe it was but I would generally associate this fixture with lots of slabbering & slobbering.
Tyrone seemed to have the right attitude this year so its more likely to be Donegal acting the maggot, along the sideline as much as on the field.
Tyrone team to play in final: Morgan, McCrory, McNamee, McCarron, Brennan (on Ryan McHugh), Justy (on Murphy), McCann, Cavanagh, Donnelly, McShane, Sludden, Harte, McAliskey, Cavanagh, O'Neill
Would make more changes myself but this is the team Mickey will pick and he is not normally easy to read! Think the forwards will struggle.
If Tyrone are to win this game it will be the bench that will do it!
Jimmy slapping himself on the back a lot in that article. Maybe deservedly so.
Can see this one being a nightmare to ref.
I expect lots of fouling out the field by Donegal to stop runners at source given that Tyrone don't have a reliable long-distance free-taker.
What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?
Donegal are tyrones bogey side so that gives them an advantage for this one. Having said that Tyrone have been transformed by Peter Donnelly this year. They were going nowhere under Harte this last 5 or 6 years but they are unrecognisable with donnellys influence. Tyrone by 4 or 5 pts for me.
Quote from: lenny on July 06, 2016, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 06, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
What do we do to resolve the free kick issue? Bring Morgan up for everything outside the 30 metre line?
Donegal are tyrones bogey side so that gives them an advantage for this one. Having said that Tyrone have been transformed by Peter Donnelly this year. They were going nowhere under Harte this last 5 or 6 years but they are unrecognisable with donnellys influence. Tyrone by 4 or 5 pts for me.
Means nothing. Donegal where just better than Tyrone in recent years. It remains to be seen if this is still the case but I don't buy into this bogey team nonsense. Having said that, a win over Donegal will be a big boost to Tyrone confidence. With regards to the Peter Donnelly thing, he has no doubt bought a new dimension to the preparation but if you haven't noticed this style of play developing over the past few years with Tyrone, then you haven't really been watching them play much. This gameplan didn't simply emerge since Peter got involved.
2007 was the last time we beat Donegal in the championship in the Ulster semifinal 2.15 to 1.07.
McFadden got sent off for punching Dooher on the chin near the end who scored 5 points that day.
They beat us in the semi in 2004 1.11 to 0.09 with Tyrone reigning All Ireland champions.
Donegal really took over then as a force in 2011 and have beaten us 4 times in the following 5 years in Ulster (Monaghan being the other defeat)
So as BennyH said they were just the better team each time with more hunger and a better developed system of play.
Just wondering who would most neutrals want to win this game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 06, 2016, 04:35:57 PM
2007 was the last time we beat Donegal in the championship in the Ulster semifinal 2.15 to 1.07.
McFadden got sent off for punching Dooher on the chin near the end who scored 5 points that day.
They beat us in the semi in 2004 1.11 to 0.09 with Tyrone reigning All Ireland champions.
Donegal really took over then as a force in 2011 and have beaten us 4 times in the following 5 years in Ulster (Monaghan being the other defeat)
So as BennyH said they were just the better team each time with more hunger and a better developed system of play.
Just wondering who would most neutrals want to win this game.
I don't know. Maybe Throne
Whoever can beat Dublin
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
What's the mickey harte factor for the neutral??
Donegal used to be a neutral person's team and always liked them but there'd be a few unsavoury characters in that team so not as sure these days.
Tyrone have never been big with the neutrals either i think so i would say it's 50:50.
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Mickey Harte factor? eh?
Fyi limited number of tickets onsale
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Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Donegal would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Mickey Harte factor? eh?
Yeah Micky Harte. Do u find it hard to take in that quite a few people look upto him and admire him for his football longevitty and everything else that has happened.
Quote from: God14 on July 06, 2016, 09:12:01 PM
Fyi limited number of tickets onsale
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Must be sold out
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Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Mickey Harte factor? eh?
Yeah Micky Harte. Do u find it hard to take in that quite a few people look upto him and admire him for his football longevitty and everything else that has happened.
Not quite sure why you are taking issue with what I said. I would have thought that the above was so obvious, it hardly needed to be stated.
Not everyone in Ulster would buy into the Saint Mickey myth here in Ulster.
He is a hard, ruthless, man who I admire in many ways but warm & cuddly? I think not.
Laughable that anyone thinks tyrone would be the neutrals pick.
Quote from: east down gael on July 07, 2016, 12:00:11 AM
Laughable that anyone thinks tyrone would be the neutrals pick.
It's laughable that anyone gives a shite who the neutrals are picking!
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 06, 2016, 11:41:20 PM
Not everyone in Ulster would buy into the Saint Mickey myth here in Ulster.
He is a hard, ruthless, man who I admire in many ways but warm & cuddly? I think not.
I don't think that anyone is under any illusions that you have to be hard as nails, to be a successful inter county manager. However, there are 23 other counties, who do not spend their summers watching their lads get kicked from pillar to post in the rough and tumble of the Ulster championship. So they may have a more benign view of the man than those in Ulster.
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 06, 2016, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 06, 2016, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: Beffs on July 06, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
Tyrone would be the neutrals pick imo. Mainly due to the Mickey Harte factor.
Mickey Harte factor? eh?
Yeah Micky Harte. Do u find it hard to take in that quite a few people look upto him and admire him for his football longevitty and everything else that has happened.
Not quite sure why you are taking issue with what I said. I would have thought that the above was so obvious, it hardly needed to be stated.
More of a dig at longballin who has always a sly dig at Tyrone in general, even thou he's a Tyrone man. Supposedly
QuoteLaughable that anyone thinks tyrone would be the neutrals pick.
And what qualifies you to make that judgement??
Winners on sunday week look likely to be heading for the 3rd sunday in september A side of the draw looks very weak.
Winners would still play in a b team in the quarter finals which would not be easy. It would most likely be Mayo Monaghan or Cork if they got back on track. If they won that they'd be looking at a very winnable semi though against the Connacht champions or an a qualifier. The losers would face a nightmare path against one of the above teams followed by Dublin then Kerry just to get to a final.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 08, 2016, 08:02:55 AM
Winners would still play in a b team in the quarter finals which would not be easy. It would most likely be Mayo Monaghan or Cork if they got back on track. If they won that they'd be looking at a very winnable semi though against the Connacht champions or an a qualifier. The losers would face a nightmare path against one of the above teams followed by Dublin then Kerry just to get to a final.
I'm pretty sure the winners in ulster avoid Monaghan, Mayo and Cork. Check again my friend.
Checked again and it confirmed what I already knew. The ulster champs and leinster champs play b teams on Saturday 6th August. The b teams currently include Mayo Cork and Monaghan. The losers of the ulster final will also go into the b side of the draw. There is a serious difference in the b sides compared to a - every year it seems to work out very uneven.
The ulster champs are due to play the Connacht champs in the semi finals. The Connacht champs play an a team in the quarter final so will have a very strong chance of making it through.
Saturday, July 30, 2016 - Monday, August 01, 2016
Round 4B
Leinster Provincial Final Loser v Round 3B Winner
Round 4B
Ulster Provincial Final Loser v Round 3B Winner
Quarter-Final (A)
Connacht Winner v Round 4A Winner
Quarter-Final (A)
Kerry v Round 4A Winner
Saturday, August 06, 2016
Quarter-Final (B)
Leinster Winner v Round 4B Winner
Quarter-Final (B)
Ulster Winner v Round 4B Winner
Sunday, August 21, 2016
Semi-Final - Páirc an Chrócaigh
Connacht* v Ulster*
Sunday, August 28, 2016
Semi-Final - Páirc an Chrócaigh
Leinster* v Munster*
A group
Tipp
Derry v Meath
Cavan v Carlow
Clare v Laois
B group
Limerick v Cork
Mayo v Fermanagh
Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
So looks like winner faces a tough enough quarter
So the Ulster loser could meet the Dubs but not Kerry in the quarterfinal, is that right?
So despite it being a HUGE game anyway to wrestle back the power in Ulster, it also means the winner has a much easier route to the AI final should they progress.
A lot of the Tyrone panel don't have Ulster medals and so for the first time in years being in an Ulster final is a huge deal. As big Sean said back in 2010 and 2011 we took it for granted but not this team.
Donegal will know that they usually struggle after losing an Ulster final and they could even meet Monaghan or Mayo again which they will be keen to avoid.
Quote from: under the bar on July 08, 2016, 12:20:12 AM
QuoteLaughable that anyone thinks tyrone would be the neutrals pick.
And what qualifies you to make that judgement??
I'm guessing he has a set of eyes and ears :)
will this be a sell out?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
A group
Tipp
Derry v Meath
Cavan v Carlow
Clare v Laois
B group
Limerick v Cork
Mayo v Fermanagh
Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
So looks like winner faces a tough enough quarter
Benny, I think you need to replace Tipp with Sligo in the A group. Tipp, as Munster Final loser and Connacht Final loser will play last two standing in A group.
Similarly, Ulster Final loser and Leinster Final loser will play last two standing from B group.
Open to correction, but that's the way I see it.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 08, 2016, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
A group
Tipp
Derry v Meath
Cavan v Carlow
Clare v Laois
B group
Limerick v Cork
Mayo v Fermanagh
Monaghan v Longford
Kildare v Offaly
So looks like winner faces a tough enough quarter
Benny, I think you need to replace Tipp with Sligo in the A group. Tipp, as Munster Final loser and Connacht Final loser will play last two standing in A group.
Similarly, Ulster Final loser and Leinster Final loser will play last two standing from B group.
Open to correction, but that's the way I see it.
Cheers, Yes, your right regarding Sligo being in group A and Tipp being Munster losers. The fixtures I just copied from gaa.ie starting from where the two ulster finalists would end up as must have missed off the Connacht and Munster fixtures!
Are season ticket holders seated in the pat mc grane stand. Bit unfair on the people who never miss a match.
Quote from: skeog on July 08, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
Are season ticket holders seated in the pat mc grane stand. Bit unfair on the people who never miss a match.
Yep, the feckers, taking far too much for granted I'd say.
I've no issue with going to the pat McGrane. Would much rather get a decent seat there than be at front or corner of Gerry Arthur's. Sometimes season ticket holders get bad treatment but can't see the issue with the McGrane. Just hope don't get a crap seat in it.
i have had some of the shittest seats with my season ticket come championship, just haven't bothered renewing it past few years cause if this, its not worth the money anymore
The Hill is the place to be unless you are an oul fella & the legs ust aren't up to it or you are a shortarse & don't want to carry a box to stand on.
Must win game this we have the team. Its time to derail this bandwagon Donegal have been on once and for all and send them back to their true loves "the turf", "the rallying" and soccer.
It'll take a good referee though. Donegal will play over the edge as usual and it works against Tyrone unfortunately, or has worked in the recent past. I'm not convinced Tyrone have improved that much in the physical stakes if Donegal decide to go down that road, which they will.
They'll fcuk up Peter Harte and/or Donnelly in the first half.
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
Who is our enforcer? Donegal have them everywhere
Is McNamee the only real one we got? We need more out the field. I remember was it the 05 final Galvin was acting the maggot and Dooher stuck an elbow in his face first chance he got, kept him quiet for the rest of the day.
We need a few more lads who can dish out the medicene in the opposition as required and most importantly with a cool head. Surely it must be on the curriculum up at Garvaghy Dark Arts Academy
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
One last Ulster title? Final throw of the dice?
This is a young Donegal team whose average age against Monaghan was only 25. Granted there are a few "senior citizens" in the team but players like the McGee's, Frank McGlynn & Rory Kavanagh are still playing well.
If you had told me that we could play without Durkan, Neil McGee & Neil Gallagher & not miss them I would have said "No chance", but that is where we are with a clutch of great young players being integrated by degrees.
Donegal are not going anywhere.
who is the ref next week
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 10, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
One last Ulster title? Final throw of the dice?
This is a young Donegal team whose average age against Monaghan was only 25. Granted there are a few "senior citizens" in the team but players like the McGee's, Frank McGlynn & Rory Kavanagh are still playing well.
If you had told me that we could play without Durkan, Neil McGee & Neil Gallagher & not miss them I would have said "No chance", but that is where we are with a clutch of great young players being integrated by degrees.
Donegal are not going anywhere.
Bit harsh but true!
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
Oh my god, won't someone think of the children?!! ::) ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 10, 2016, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 10, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
One last Ulster title? Final throw of the dice?
This is a young Donegal team whose average age against Monaghan was only 25. Granted there are a few "senior citizens" in the team but players like the McGee's, Frank McGlynn & Rory Kavanagh are still playing well.
If you had told me that we could play without Durkan, Neil McGee & Neil Gallagher & not miss them I would have said "No chance", but that is where we are with a clutch of great young players being integrated by degrees.
Donegal are not going anywhere.
Bit harsh but true!
Very droll Benny, very droll!!!
Quote from: rrhf on July 10, 2016, 08:11:44 AM
Donegal will be seeing one last Ulster title as their main goal this year. This represents their final throw of the dice. They could attempt a slaughter of the innocents..
They'll have to find them first.
I see David Coldrick is down to ref it. He'll have his hands full and you would imagine Tyrone's continued inability to have a consistent free taker could ease the pressure on Donegal's discipline in the tackle.
They will realise that if Tyrone break at pace that systematic fouling could prove a worthwhile tactic.
I hope Tyrone can keep their own heads and not get involved in the darker side of the game as Donegal will benefit more I think if it's a scrappy war of attrition game rather than a more open free flowing game which will soon Tyrone more. It rarely is of course but I think both teams have changed their style a bit this year with you seeing more over the top kick passes and players running ahead of the ball into space.
Goals are always a big deal in this fixture and surprisingly both have conceded quite a few this year already in Ulster.
I am a tad worried Michael Murphy has never really let loose on Tyrone and last year it was again his excellent free taking that helped win them the game. Donegal will have been intrigued at how Cavan scored so many goals against us and you would wonder will they kick a lot more high ball in than they usually do, if for no other reason but to keep Colm C back in close to his own goal.
Hopefully the Tyrone fans will come out in force for this big game as in recent years Donegal have been a lot more vociferous with quite an edge to the games.
David Coldrick is a good choice for the final imo.
I know it may have been said before but am I reading right that this is the first time the counties have met in an Ulster Final since 1989??
Yeah 1989 sounds right. Massive games for both teams this Sunday. Winners will fancy pushing on and giving the all ireland a real shot, the losers will be in trouble. Great to have two decent teams meeting in the final and a real hard game to call.
Would arguably be tyrones biggest win since the 2008 final and a first senior championship trophy for many of the team. That will give lot of hunger especially as it's Donegal but also adds a bit of pressure. Harte has always been good at getting teams to perform on big days though.
Can't see any more than one change to the team if even that. And it's good that we've a strong bench if under pressure. The likes of Rory Brennan Meyler Bradley and mccurry could add serious energy in second half.
Yeah we've met quite a bit in the semi finals in recent years and in the first round a few times with a very partisan reception in Ballybofey.
How do people see this game panning out? Will it be more of the same of what we've come to expect between the two over the last few years or have Tyrone progressed with more of the young lads coming in bringing more energy and pace.
Donegal seem to be saying that their average age is now down to 25 but with McGee back then that back 6 plus Rory Kavanagh have indeed a lot of mileage on the clock. Is McGrath their youngest defender?
Donegal have brought in a few good players as well to help Murphy and McBrearty. McElhinney seems to always play well against us.
I would imagine that the team that gives away the least amount of turnovers will win the game.
Not overly confident for this game.
Seen tyrone lose 3 times to donegal in championship this past number of years.
The fact that it isn't in ballybofey gives us some hope though.
Also hopeful of a dry day.
The tide has to turn some time so why not Sunday
Id be v confident, I've championed this team to go all the way from the start and expect 5/6 point win. If mcguiness was still over donegal it would have made the task harder that's for sure
I'm confident but realise we will need to be at our best to get past a dangerous Donegal side. A win could set up a potentially handy route to an All Ireland final (particularly is someone can take care of a stuttering Mayo before the QF), I would say this is the biggest game Tyrone have played since the 08 All Ireland final.
Tyrone look the more finished article than Donegal at the moment, but the provincial ground suits Donegal better, it's tighter and I believe Donegal are a more physically intimidating side that us who can push us around if the play gets slow - the faster and looser it is then the more it suits Tyrone. Donegal have issues in defence and midfield and hopefully we can exploit those.
mc guinness has other things on his plate now tonight celtics worst ever resulf
I see a number of posters over the past few weeks dismissing Tyrone's form on the basis that they have only played Div 2 opposition thus can't be judged. I was wondering does this actually mean anything on the basis that Div 1 teams include Roscommon Down Monaghan and Cork.None off which i would count as the bench mark for Tyrone. If what people are saying is that because Tyrone have not beaten Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or Donegal yet this year then fair enough.
This is a huge game for Tyrone both in terms of the possible route to an AI Final & for the psychological benefit from not just an Ulster title but also getting the Donegal monkey off their back. Is Tyrone's gameplan enhanced enough this year to break down the Donegal defensive system? Tyrone's tallies in the last 4 championship games against Donegal are 0-09, 0-10, 0-10, 1-10 - they will need more than that to win on Sunday.
You would like to think this Tyrone side has more pace than it's predecessors & so should be able to break the Donegal defensive line. But they have to commit, all too often in the previous games the pace has been too slow up to the Donegal 45 & then Tyrone get turned over or fouled or resort to Hail Mary attempts. You are not going to kick 0-14 from distance to win the game.
The free-taking will need to be good as Donegal are likely to see this as a weakness & not mind fouling just outside the 45. If Morgan could nail an early kick or 2 it would make Donegal think twice about repetitive fouling. Heaven forbid if Morgan misses the 1st few & it turns into the circus we saw in Ballybofey a few years back with the Donegal crowd on his back for the whole game.
1 area where Tyrone might have the edge is on the subs bench. There's plenty of pacey, talented players like R Brennan, McCurry, Richie, Meyler who could make a big difference in the last 20mins when the game might grow a little more stretched.
Really looking forward to it now, hard to believe it's 6 years since the last Ulster Final appearance - the celebrations might be a little more raucous this year with a win :)
Will be interesting to see some of the match ups for this game. Murphy will probably continue his role out the field with some spells inside, justy did well last year so is the most obvious to track him. Though that would disrupt his sweeper the role. Mcnamee could be the other option. McCarron will probably pick up mcbrearty. The mchughs are very important at ball carrying for Donegal and will need close attention.
At the other end Eamon Magee usually picks up cavanagh. That'll leave Neil and McGrath for Mcaliskey and oneill.
I think Tyrone could get joy pushing up on Donegal kick outs for at least part of the game. The Donegal keeper looked nervous against Fermanagh and it'll be his first ulster final. One or two dodgy kick outs and there'd be huge pressure on him.
Quote from: redzone on July 12, 2016, 09:02:42 PM
Id be v confident, I've championed this team to go all the way from the start and expect 5/6 point win. If mcguiness was still over donegal it would have made the task harder that's for sure
I'd agree with that. Donegal have impressed me with their angles of running and their attacking play has improved. Their overall structure isn't as tight though under Gallagher and I think Tyrone will cut them open at times. Depending on the weather I fancy a scoreline of 2.13 to 1.10
Quote from: lenny on July 13, 2016, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 12, 2016, 09:02:42 PM
Id be v confident, I've championed this team to go all the way from the start and expect 5/6 point win. If mcguiness was still over donegal it would have made the task harder that's for sure
I'd agree with that. Donegal have impressed me with their angles of running and their attacking play has improved. Their overall structure isn't as tight though under Gallagher and I think Tyrone will cut them open at times. Depending on the weather I fancy a scoreline of 2.13 to 1.10
2.13 to whom?
A lot of very confident sounding Tyrone posters giving their judgement but it is hard to escape the feeling that there is a whiff of whistling past the graveyard about it all.
It's not gonna be easy for us but it's not gonna be easy for them either.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on July 13, 2016, 09:15:01 PM
A lot of very confident sounding Tyrone posters giving their judgement but it is hard to escape the feeling that there is a whiff of whistling past the graveyard about it all.
I think Tyrone have seen the 'easier' patheay to the AI-final, but have forgotten there's an Ulster final to play against their bogey team.
I'd agree that there probably is an over confidence among an element of the Tyrone support, many of whom would have been calling for harte's head last year. Most supporters would recognise though that Donegal are a huge obstacle as we've learned only top well in recent years.
I personally believe we've improved a lot from last year but we'll only know for definite come Sunday. I'm sure based on recent years, some good players coming in and their ulster record many Donegal fans will be very confident of victory.
We started out the replay with:
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
McNabb
Matty
Colm
Harte
Sludden
McShane
O'Neill
Sean
McAliskey
Can't see any changes to this team. Did any of the subs do enough to force a starting place? Brennan, maybe, but who do you leave out?
Ah 1989, what a year. Got the curt at Loch an Iuir. She wasn't deadly though. Conway and his point from 60m. Probably a lot less but seemed like that then from my height. Remember very little about the drawn game apart from that.
Vivid memories of the replay. Unfinished business. Plunkett, O'Hagan, KcKenna appeared like giants. The Prince at corner forward that year I think. Joe Mallon the Mexican and McGarvey and Skelton keeping out the goals. Looked unbeatable.
Then Mayo.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2016, 10:25:45 PM
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A lot of very confident sounding Tyrone posters giving their judgement but it is hard to escape the feeling that there is a whiff of whistling past the graveyard about it all.
I think Tyrone have seen the 'easier' patheay to the AI-final, but have forgotten there's an Ulster final to play against their bogey team.
Bogey team? The most lazy of all comments. Donegal where just better than Tyrone in years gone by and much more developed as a team and in their gameplan. I think there is a sense in Tyrone that we have been building towards a decent team for a few years. A couple of AI semi final places and a U21 AI has given us something tangible to base our optimism on. Last year in Ballybofey there a real sense that the gap was closing against Donegal and watching them perform so ineptly against Mayo in Croker after our game against Monaghan just felt like watching a team in decline. I have huge respect for Donegal, but they have as many questions to answer as Tyrone. They have emerged again in Ulster looking good but it was the same last year early in the championship, remember how they were talked up after the Armagh game but then fizzled out after that? Was the form line for their victory over Monaghan called into question after Longfords win? Has Rory Gallagher proven himself to be capable of operating at this level? If Donegal win then fair play, it will be because they are a better team, but not because they are Tyrone's bogeymen!
Donegal have more to lose if they lose this Ulster Final but Tyrone have more to gain if they win..
I don't see what relevance Longford beating Monaghan has at all to this game or Donegal in general. Sure Down took Longford to extra time and Monaghan absolutely destroyed Down. Offaly hammered Longford by nine or ten points. Is anyone suggesting Offaly would hammer Monaghan? If so, is the Leinster championship suddenly a decent standard? Is so, where does that leave Derry and Meath? Was the Ulster draw hopelessly lopsided this year, with Donegal emerging from the desperately poor half. And if that is so, where does that leave Mayo who just about scraped past Fermanagh who were fairly handily dealt with by Donegal?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2016, 10:50:00 PM
We started out the replay with:
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
McNabb
Matty
Colm
Harte
Sludden
McShane
O'Neill
Sean
McAliskey
Can't see any changes to this team. Did any of the subs do enough to force a starting place? Brennan, maybe, but who do you leave out?
O Neill is still a better keeper than Morgan, he made one mistake v Cavan and Harte showed him no loyalty. Morgan bottled it last years semi final and can't be trusted. For all the talk from some Tyrone supporters about the third goal that got Cavn the draw, why wasn't the same analysis applied of the last goal Cavn got in the replay, a decent keeper would have stopped it, because it wasn't tight so therefore not a mention of it. O Neill is more reliable.
Quote from: J70 on July 14, 2016, 12:09:38 AM
I don't see what relevance Longford beating Monaghan has at all to this game or Donegal in general. Sure Down took Longford to extra time and Monaghan absolutely destroyed Down. Offaly hammered Longford by nine or ten points. Is anyone suggesting Offaly would hammer Monaghan? If so, is the Leinster championship suddenly a decent standard? Is so, where does that leave Derry and Meath? Was the Ulster draw hopelessly lopsided this year, with Donegal emerging from the desperately poor half. And if that is so, where does that leave Mayo who just about scraped past Fermanagh who were fairly handily dealt with by Donegal?
It has as much relevance as saying Donegal are Tyrone's bogey team because they beat them 3-4 years ago. The win over Monaghan looked very positive for Donegal but perhaps Monaghan are on a downward spiral themselves. As a Tyrone man, I wouldn't be drawing too much confidence in that particular point myself but I was just making the point that their form hadn't really been franked by Monaghan's subsequent performance. Id just put a little question mark over the form like you would do picking a horse at cheltenham! 😜
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t94NNOP0Xcs
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on July 14, 2016, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2016, 10:50:00 PM
We started out the replay with:
Morgan
McCrory
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
McNabb
Matty
Colm
Harte
Sludden
McShane
O'Neill
Sean
McAliskey
Can't see any changes to this team. Did any of the subs do enough to force a starting place? Brennan, maybe, but who do you leave out?
O Neill is still a better keeper than Morgan, he made one mistake v Cavan and Harte showed him no loyalty. Morgan bottled it last years semi final and can't be trusted. For all the talk from some Tyrone supporters about the third goal that got Cavn the draw, why wasn't the same analysis applied of the last goal Cavn got in the replay, a decent keeper would have stopped it, because it wasn't tight so therefore not a mention of it. O Neill is more reliable.
The keeper set up is very like the 2000s when we never really had a number one, rather it was more or less shared between Pascal and John.
I think it will be the same for Niall and Mickey in that neither is significantly ahead of the other so one bad game and you're out until the next man has a bad day. Morgan has the free kicking (albeit very hit and miss himself) in his favour as this issue has reared it's ugly head again recently.
Think you're being a bit harsh on Niall re Cavan's last goal the other week as Brady hit a thunderbolt that would have been incredibly difficult to stop. Kind of like Murphy's goal in the opening minutes of the AI final in 2012.
Don't think so, any goal keeping coach would say that Morgan has a habit, as in the goal we are referring to as being down on his knees before the ball, and he would have been coached to stay on his feet, the ball would have hit him if he had of stayed on his feet. He is not a natural keeper.
Majority of the players prefer Morgan, so I'm led to believe. Both great keepers, lucky to have them
I think Morgan is considered No 1 but O'Neill got his chance this year as Morgan was out injured for a while.
O'Neill's decision to come off his line to punch for the 3rd goal v Cavan was enough to see him lose his place.
Morgan seems more accurate and confident with his kicking whereas O'Neill is a little hit and miss at times but he has got better.
Article from Declan Bogue today. Interesting what McGuinness said about Sean Cavanagh and winning frees.
Tyrone must do it the Donegal way
Who were the two men celebrating on the pitch when Tyrone beat Monaghan to win the Ulster title in 2010? Nobody quite knows, but those figures have become part of the narrative surrounding Tyrone's jaded relationship with the Anglo Celt Cup at that time.
Perhaps it was 'The Midnight Callers', the pair of lads who once called Mickey Harte's house phone to criticise his tactics and team selections in his first year in charge of the Red Hands. Rather than hang up, Harte built a relationship with the anonymous duo and an unlikely relationship began.
In the aftermath and amid the emotion of that win on the Croke Park pitch, Harte felt a tap on his shoulder - it was 'The Midnight Callers' offering their congratulations. It was a heady time and while a lot of people enjoyed a lot of success, it was inevitable that it would be taken for granted.
A captain from either Armagh or Tyrone raised the Cup for 12 consecutive years. Somewhere in the middle, it became a mere point of reference - a step on the road towards greater glory.
Raising the silverware briefly above your head with your face held in a grimace became the etiquette. Quickly patronise the losers, thank the management and backroom team, drop the microphone with a thud and get back up the road with the trophy hidden from sight.
Jim McGuinness changed that.
Whenever the final whistle went in the 2011 final, the then Donegal boss ran into the middle of the pitch and embraced his players.
The scenes were repeated the following year when the Donegal support truly began to mobilise after that paltry Ulster final attendance of the previous year.
In 2014, a year after losing the provincial crown to Monaghan and Malachy O'Rourke, there was no post-match handshake as McGuinness ran straight across their path, whooping and punching the air. By accident or design? Who knows.
But he made your own province something worth treasuring again. When the Donegal team bus would eventually snake its way to the Diamond of Donegal town, the now county Chairman Sean Dunnion would act as Master of Ceremonies. McGuinness would then deliver an impassioned speech.
And then each and every member of the playing, management and backroom teams were introduced on the stage, right down to the kitmen and bus drivers.
But then again, McGuinness changed everything.
To change everything, he had to innovate. But what is innovation? Taking what you see and adapting it to your requirements.
So he studied Tyrone's principles. He took the 'swarm tackle' and turned it into the 'blanket defence'. Donegal would defend in numbers - but in their own half - wearing down teams before bounding forward in counter-attacks that sucked the legs and morale out of the opposition.
Videos of Sean Cavanagh 'buying' frees were shown to Donegal players. They were told to learn from it.
Mentally, Donegal and Tyrone were at opposite ends of the scale with their complexes. When Tyrone were awarded a free, they had a number of players who would shout in the faces of the opposition. It could crush a man's spirit.
So when Donegal met Tyrone in the Ulster semi-final of 2011, McGuinness coated his players with an armour. They were to say 'not today' to their opponents when they tried to get inside their minds. They scraped through that afternoon, after briefly threatening to go under in the first-half.
In the Ulster final this Sunday, it will be the Tyrone players who have to say 'not today' to their more celebrated, successful opponents. Only five current Red Hands aces have an Ulster medal. Now, it's Tyrone who have the inferiority complex. Donegal have moulded their opponents by defeating them.
Take Mattie Donnelly for example. He is one of the finest players in the game, but his Championship debut was the 2012 defeat to Donegal. Before this season, he had won just two games in Ulster.
That's why to this mind, the favourites tag granted to Tyrone is a false reading. Up against Donegal in isolation, the gap between the duo has grown wider with the Red Hands losing to their rivals four times in the past five years.
Working in Omagh the day after Tyrone beat Monaghan in the 2010 final, my then boss expressed his amazement at how low-key everything was, recalling a time when an Anglo Celt would prompt days of celebration.
Should Donegal win, they will mark it in their now time-honoured fashion. If Tyrone manage to overturn the hold their neighbours have on them, the entire county will be filing a sicknote on Monday.
Quote from: redzone on July 14, 2016, 12:09:32 PM
Majority of the players prefer Morgan, so I'm led to believe. Both great keepers, lucky to have them
He has the edge on restarts (ignoring last years AI semi final)
Have to be home fairly sharp on sunday evening and bearing in mind big attedance expected... wheres best place to park the car on sunday? Going via monaghan town
Enjoyed that article there from Bogue, it's one of the best things about the build up to these big games, the opinion pieces from Wednesday on.
He's right about most of that too. Tyrone had become complacent towards Ulster titles back in the late 00's, they were seen merely as something of a stepping stone towards bigger things and Donegal being so good for the last 5 years has totally changed that. I was devastated the last 2 times they beat us especially and if we are to win on Sunday then it'll be celebrated with as much vigour as 2001 or 2003 was.
Another interesting side point is that Tyrone are currently 1 shy of Armagh's 14 Ulster Titles so it would be nice to equal that with our neighbours from the other side. I was chatting to my Donegal buddy who will be heading up to the game with me recently there and he surprised me by saying that Donegal had only won 5 titles before 2011. Growing up watching them winning the AI and celebrating it like it was Tyrone back in 1992 I was shocked at that one. Bar Cavan at one end and Fermanagh on the other there's not a huge amount between the rest of the Ulster counties in terms of provincial success.
This should be a cracker of a game though.
Quote from: God14 on July 14, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Have to be home fairly sharp on sunday evening and bearing in mind big attedance expected... wheres best place to park the car on sunday? Going via monaghan town
Drive past all of the car parks on way in from monaghan untill the garda directs u right and follow on down to just before the back enterance to the Roost Bar 3 car parks on ur left. Get into to the Duffy Terrace and out sharp on the final whistle you will be out and in Monaghan before the crowd is down the hill.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2016, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 14, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Have to be home fairly sharp on sunday evening and bearing in mind big attedance expected... wheres best place to park the car on sunday? Going via monaghan town
Drive past all of the car parks on way in from monaghan untill the garda directs u right and follow on down to just before the back enterance to the Roost Bar 3 car parks on ur left. Get into to the Duffy Terrace and out sharp on the final whistle you will be out and in Monaghan before the crowd is down the hill.
You forgot to factor in that three quarters of the Donegal support will have left with ten to go and Tyrone cruising it with a 7 point lead ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t94NNOP0Xcs
Check out this one from the 72 final. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/)
Never saw this footage before. Interesting to see legends like McEniff and Seamus Bonner in action. The football is, in the famous words of Mourinho, 19th century!
Paddy McMahon, Tyrone number 12 - He looks like Joe with long hair and a beard. Any relation to the McMahon brothers?
Mickey looking very relaxed and happy at the press night.
I'd say he's glad to be back in an Ulster final with a new group of players.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/07/video-mickey-harte-ulster-final-press-day/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2016/07/video-mickey-harte-ulster-final-press-day/)
Will be interesting to see if he names the same time tonight from the last game with Justy and McNabb adding a bit of experience to the defence.
With all the negative talk about last week's Connacht final and the amount of pundits including McGuinness himself giving out about the state of the game, then a lot of people will be watching this game with keen interest to see if these two main "founders of defensive systems" can actually play a fair, entertaining battle with no cynical play. With the stakes so high you would worry both will retreat into their defensive shell but I think both adapted their systems to be more attack minded. Hopefully both behave themselves
Hopefully they'll behave all right, but you know there will be flash point or two somewhere along the line.
Think it was played fairly sportingly last year, except for the half-time bullshit which seemed to have started with an exchange between Eamon McGee and Sean Cavanagh, if I remember correctly.
There's no chance that this games goes without at least one controversial incident that will be blown out of all proportion, both by the team who feel they are on the receiving end and the media. It's par for the course now really with Tyrone and Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on July 14, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t94NNOP0Xcs
Check out this one from the 72 final. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/)
Never saw this footage before. Interesting to see legends like McEniff and Seamus Bonner in action. The football is, in the famous words of Mourinho, 19th century!
Paddy McMahon, Tyrone number 12 - He looks like Joe with long hair and a beard. Any relation to the McMahon brothers?
That's their dad.
Well both teams are actually playing football this weather. Looking forward to this game bigtime. Doubt too many of us care what the neutrals think about it as it's always a grudge match anyways. Hopefully we'll see some of that recent tyrone player insecurity complex that has been good to us in the last few years :D :D
Do you think ud be able to buy tickets on the day or is it likely to sell out by then? Hoping to head along but wont know for sure until Sunday morning
no changes from last game for tyrone
As skeog says, and grand job it is too :)
Tyrone team v Donegal USFC final
Tír Eoghain v Dún na nGall
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
20 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Padraig McNulty – Pádraig Mac an Ultaigh
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
No Richie, Meyler or Lee in 26 - bench not as strong as expected
Can anyone confirm out of curiosity this is the list that is handed in to the Ulster council or is just for the programme
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 14, 2016, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2016, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 14, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Have to be home fairly sharp on sunday evening and bearing in mind big attedance expected... wheres best place to park the car on sunday? Going via monaghan town
Drive past all of the car parks on way in from monaghan untill the garda directs u right and follow on down to just before the back enterance to the Roost Bar 3 car parks on ur left. Get into to the Duffy Terrace and out sharp on the final whistle you will be out and in Monaghan before the crowd is down the hill.
You forgot to factor in that three quarters of the Donegal support will have left with ten to go and Tyrone cruising it with a 7 point lead ;)
They'll be heading home thru Newtonbutler with their tails between their legs if thats the case with only Dromore and Trillick ones to accompany them home.
I had sort of thought of doing that b4 Bill but was never brave enough to try for fear of a total quagmire, it actually works does it
Quote from: Qwerty28 on July 14, 2016, 08:22:30 PM
Do you think ud be able to buy tickets on the day or is it likely to sell out by then? Hoping to head along but wont know for sure until Sunday morning
You'd normally get one from someone in Clones if you asked around but it's a risk.
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
20 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Padraig McNulty – Pádraig Mac an Ultaigh
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
No Richie Donnelly or Conor Meyler in the 26.
Lee Brennan misses out again as well.
thats a good bench
Richie donnelly is injured, not sure about myler but I would imagine he would be there otherwise too.
Can't get my head round conor Clarke being included in the 26 ???
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 14, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
10 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór
12 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
20 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
24 – Padraig McNulty – Pádraig Mac an Ultaigh
25 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór
26 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
No Richie Donnelly or Conor Meyler in the 26.
Lee Brennan misses out again as well.
It appears Padraig McNulty has gone dissident and formed a breakaway club in his own name. Fair play to him.
Clarke is there as an option to dog Murphy. He has the strength. Remember 2005 when Brian Meenan played again Armagh and bounced round the middle hitting everything that moved? I don't think he played much before or after that game but he was great that day. Brennan will start.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 14, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
It appears Padraig McNulty has gone dissident and formed a breakaway club in his own name. Fair play to him.
lol well spotted/
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 14, 2016, 09:54:35 PM
Clarke is there as an option to dog Murphy. He has the strength. Remember 2005 when Brian Meenan played again Armagh and bounced round the middle hitting everything that moved? I don't think he played much before or after that game but he was great that day. Brennan will start.
Like the way u put the question mark regarding Meehan. Did he play well that day, u might be right, can't mind. Think Brennan should start as well to pick up mchugh, but who would be dropped. Surely Murphy would eat Clarke for his breakfast if they are paired off. Surprised he made the bench and there could well be a change hopefully
Who do you drop for Brennan? McNabb? Sludden?
Should Mickey put our strongest runner (T McCann) on McHugh to try and disrupt his game?
What's the craic with Lee Brennan. Potentially the answer to our free problem.
Interested to see how McCrory is deployed on Sunday. He was given the task of man marking McKiernan and did reasonably well. He'll hardly be asked to hound Murphy? McMahon did that well last year.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 14, 2016, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 14, 2016, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 14, 2016, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 14, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
Have to be home fairly sharp on sunday evening and bearing in mind big attedance expected... wheres best place to park the car on sunday? Going via monaghan town
Drive past all of the car parks on way in from monaghan untill the garda directs u right and follow on down to just before the back enterance to the Roost Bar 3 car parks on ur left. Get into to the Duffy Terrace and out sharp on the final whistle you will be out and in Monaghan before the crowd is down the hill.
You forgot to factor in that three quarters of the Donegal support will have left with ten to go and Tyrone cruising it with a 7 point lead ;)
They'll be heading home thru Newtonbutler with their tails between their legs if thats the case with only Dromore and Trillick ones to accompany them home.
I had sort of thought of doing that b4 Bill but was never brave enough to try for fear of a total quagmire, it actually works does it
100%. The ones parked out the monaghan road take about 20 mins to hit the carparks you will be long gone.
lee brennan meyler and big richie all injured. thats a pity as all three would significantly improve our sub options. we need to get off to a flier on sunday. our first 20 mins in ballybofey last year was shocking and if it hadnt been for our keeper donegal would have hammered us. similarly we had a shocking last 20 tiny dancer mccurry missed a scoreable free and murphy won donegal the game. i think both teams have a lot of questions to answer. donegal have given up a little bit of their defensive meaness to commit more men forward, which gives teams a few more goal chances, tyrone need to make hay here to win sunday. similarly harte will have to take the shackles off and in doing so he will expose tyrones rearguard especially to quick longball, will he do that or will he keep it ultra tight. first goal sunday will be crucial tyrone by 3 i hope.
Would be good to hear the thoughts of some of the Donegal posters and neutrals on how they think the game will go.
J70 tends to be cautious and plays down your chances but where do you think ye can win this game and what is your concerns?
I think both teams will be worried if either team get too far ahead as they are good at closing up shop and not letting the other team back into it. Tyrone showed v Cavan the last day that if you push forward and leave big holes that they have the players now to create and score goals. You somehow can't see any Tyrone player running 50 yards this Sunday to score an easy goal.
Both teams so far have shown much more of an attacking attitude but I think that could be curbed a lot on Sunday with so much at stake.
I'm from Donegal stock and don't like Tyrone, so would be fairly neutral ;D
imo, this will be a very cagey, defensive affair with sweepers a plenty with no opposition players pushed up on them. There is so much to gain by winning on Sunday
It'll come down to who is most economical in front of goal. To this end, the most important man on Sunday will be the ref and how he calls the tackle. You often hear the shout from the stand of "don't foul! don't foul!", when in reality the shout should be "dont blow! dont blow!". A lot of refs believe that 4/5/6 grown men can all tackle the ball at the same time, and that's their prerogative as they have the whistle.
To that end, it'll (unfortunately) be decided on how fussy Coldrick is. If he's very fussy, Donegal will win as they have the better free takers, and if he isn't I can see Tyrone nick it, if their younger breed handle the occasion ok.
Either way, I'm looking forward to it and would have been heading only for underage training
I think a few have forgotten how intense and nasty the game last year was.
From today's Irish Times - Tyrone playing catch-up in a rip-roaring Ulster rivalry
"Obviously Donegal have had the upper hand on us," says Seán Cavanagh, as diplomatic as always, when eyeing up Tyrone's opposition in Sunday's Ulster football final. He might well have said upper fist, or indeed uppercut.
"You can't argue with their record over the past two or three years, so you have to bow down to that. And whenever you are repeatedly losing to any team, whether it's Donegal or anyone else, it is always painful. Fair play to them, they have had a serious five or six years, but you would just hope at some stage the tide would turn and it would be our chance."
It's surprising just how much that tide has turned in Donegal's favour: Sunday marks their sixth Ulster final appearance in succession, while Tyrone haven't been here since 2010 – when they last won.
It's also their fourth championship clash in five seasons, with Donegal winning all four. It leaves Tyrone seeking their first win over Donegal since 2007, although it's their last meeting, the 2015 Ulster preliminary round game, which will be freshest in the memory, not just for obvious reasons.
The sides were level on 51 minutes, only for Tyrone to fail to score for the remainder of the game: Donegal added three points to win 1-13 to 1-10.
The day afterwards, at a sponsorship event in Dublin, Cavanagh pulled up his jersey to reveal several red scars down the front of his chest, which at first glance looked like claw marks, as if he'd just been wrestling with a grizzly bear.
Scratched
His left knee was also badly scratched, and there was also a strange purple bruising behind his right knee, as if he's just been bitten by a venomous reptile. These, said Cavanagh, were the typical physical scars from any Ulster football championship match.
What worried him more, however, were the mental scars, the non-stop 'sledging' or verbal abuse that went on between both teams: "You don't need me to tell you there was plenty of off-the-ball stuff happening," he said.
"But people probably got away with things they shouldn't have got away with. And it was the same from both sides. There's no point in pointing fingers. It was just the type of game. That hot-tempered, win-at-all-costs type of Ulster championship game.
"Players probably did overstep the mark. You just have to be thick -skinned. At times it can be quite personal. You just have to accept it. I've said it before, it can be very, very personal and I know there were certain players . . that have been through tough times, and they were getting a fair bit of personal abuse."
Under the skin
He suggested the Donegal players stopped at nothing to get under the skin of their opposition, and hardly needed to identify one of those team-mates as Cathal McCarron, who rejoined the Tyrone panel earlier that year after taking time out due to his gambling addictions.
Cavanagh actually saw all three cards himself in that game, (a yellow, then a black and a red, for bringing down Donegal's Paddy McGrath), although he insisted that latter tackle wasn't deliberate.
After that game, Donegal defender Neil McGee also spoke about the close attention given to his captain, Michael Murphy, by Tyrone's Justin McMahon.
Physical
"He [Murphy] took a lot of abuse," said McGee. "It's his physical presence. If he [McMahon] tackled Ryan McHugh you would get a free, but Murphy is seen to be able to take it. He's suffering because he is so physical."
Cavanagh suggests Tyrone are an improved team on the 2015 edition, the latest evidence of that coming in their five-goal thrashing of Cavan.
"We definitely have the runners," says Cavanagh. "We have serious running power at the moment. The way the game has gone, you need that. And our size is different, our personnel is different and you would hope that it will go a long way to getting a different result.
"And we know the quality of the talent that isn't even making the 26 there at the moment. We see some of the performances some of those guys are putting in at training, and we are in that fortunate position at the moment where we have 28, 30, 32 men that really could do a job for us.
"Whenever you have that, that competitiveness in the squad, then you can see it translating to the pitch."
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As a neutral (can a Derry man be neutral when Tyrone are playing) I'm really looking forward to this one. The young pretenders I suppose against the battle hardened Donegal men. If its tight and Tyrone unload their bench you could see them pulling away. The performance of Gallagher and Kavanagh will be huge to Donegals chances. If Tyrone are beat it could be a big psychological set back. Tyrone by 2.
no gallagher playing i think neil still out is rory playing
Quote from: J70 on July 14, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t94NNOP0Xcs
Check out this one from the 72 final. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0714/802426-donegal-v-tyrone-1972/)
Never saw this footage before. Interesting to see legends like McEniff and Seamus Bonner in action. The football is, in the famous words of Mourinho, 19th century!
Paddy McMahon, Tyrone number 12 - He looks like Joe with long hair and a beard. Any relation to the McMahon brothers?
First time I'd seen footage of Paddy McMahon playing and it could easily be Joe. The long hair and beard and same gait. Mar an dà sgadan.
Looking forward to the game on Sunday. I've been among those who have been more cautious about this Tyrone team and their prospects. I am glad to admit they have progressed very nicely over the past couple of seasons, better than I expected. The key feature of the Tyrone - Donegal games the past few years was Donegal grabbing hold of matches in the middle of the second half - and Tyrone wilting. Tyrone have come on without doubt and I am sure they have the talent to win here, but I'll be fascinated to see how they cope with Donegal, particularly if it is indeed close going into the last 15 or 20 mins. We'll likely find out a lot about Tyrone's class of 2016. I can't call it. Good luck lads.
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/07/ulster-says-tyrone-will-win/
Interesting, all but one of the 7 County players from the other 7 Ulster counties are calling it for Tyrone.
It's so strange to be favorites in this game given our recent history. Worrys me a lot.
Baffles me as well why Tyrone are such overwhelming favourites. Apparently league form but don't think any Div 2 team would live with Donegal either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Donegal are done and Tyrone are brilliant... ???
I think a lot of people are thinking Tyrone are favourites because we looked very strong v Cavan the 2nd day out.
We have been putting up big scores all year I suppose and so people see us as having a much stronger attack than in previous years.
The problem in previous years though we have struggled against teams like Donegal who really clamp us down and so I think that's why Donegal will revert back to what they do best and that is restrict us in a war of attrition.
They know we have a lot of pace so I can't see them leaving big gaps even when they push forward to attack.
I find it impossible to call...
Quote from: redzone on July 14, 2016, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 14, 2016, 09:54:35 PM
Clarke is there as an option to dog Murphy. He has the strength. Remember 2005 when Brian Meenan played again Armagh and bounced round the middle hitting everything that moved? I don't think he played much before or after that game but he was great that day. Brennan will start.
Like the way u put the question mark regarding Meehan. Did he play well that day, u might be right, can't mind. Think Brennan should start as well to pick up mchugh, but who would be dropped. Surely Murphy would eat Clarke for his breakfast if they are paired off. Surprised he made the bench and there could well be a change hopefully
I'd be very worried about Clarke, looked a great talent when he made his senior debut but that injury really seems to have hurt him. McNamee's black card and Clarke coming in to get roasted by Geaney had a significant impact for us last year.
I think if Clarke is to have a future with Tyrone it will probably be out around the middle of the field.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2016, 11:31:59 AM
I think a few have forgotten how intense and nasty the game last year was.
From today's Irish Times - Tyrone playing catch-up in a rip-roaring Ulster rivalry
"Obviously Donegal have had the upper hand on us," says Seán Cavanagh, as diplomatic as always, when eyeing up Tyrone's opposition in Sunday's Ulster football final. He might well have said upper fist, or indeed uppercut.
"You can't argue with their record over the past two or three years, so you have to bow down to that. And whenever you are repeatedly losing to any team, whether it's Donegal or anyone else, it is always painful. Fair play to them, they have had a serious five or six years, but you would just hope at some stage the tide would turn and it would be our chance."
It's surprising just how much that tide has turned in Donegal's favour: Sunday marks their sixth Ulster final appearance in succession, while Tyrone haven't been here since 2010 – when they last won.
It's also their fourth championship clash in five seasons, with Donegal winning all four. It leaves Tyrone seeking their first win over Donegal since 2007, although it's their last meeting, the 2015 Ulster preliminary round game, which will be freshest in the memory, not just for obvious reasons.
The sides were level on 51 minutes, only for Tyrone to fail to score for the remainder of the game: Donegal added three points to win 1-13 to 1-10.
The day afterwards, at a sponsorship event in Dublin, Cavanagh pulled up his jersey to reveal several red scars down the front of his chest, which at first glance looked like claw marks, as if he'd just been wrestling with a grizzly bear.
Scratched
His left knee was also badly scratched, and there was also a strange purple bruising behind his right knee, as if he's just been bitten by a venomous reptile. These, said Cavanagh, were the typical physical scars from any Ulster football championship match.
What worried him more, however, were the mental scars, the non-stop 'sledging' or verbal abuse that went on between both teams: "You don't need me to tell you there was plenty of off-the-ball stuff happening," he said.
"But people probably got away with things they shouldn't have got away with. And it was the same from both sides. There's no point in pointing fingers. It was just the type of game. That hot-tempered, win-at-all-costs type of Ulster championship game.
"Players probably did overstep the mark. You just have to be thick -skinned. At times it can be quite personal. You just have to accept it. I've said it before, it can be very, very personal and I know there were certain players . . that have been through tough times, and they were getting a fair bit of personal abuse."
Under the skin
He suggested the Donegal players stopped at nothing to get under the skin of their opposition, and hardly needed to identify one of those team-mates as Cathal McCarron, who rejoined the Tyrone panel earlier that year after taking time out due to his gambling addictions.
Cavanagh actually saw all three cards himself in that game, (a yellow, then a black and a red, for bringing down Donegal's Paddy McGrath), although he insisted that latter tackle wasn't deliberate.
After that game, Donegal defender Neil McGee also spoke about the close attention given to his captain, Michael Murphy, by Tyrone's Justin McMahon.
Physical
"He [Murphy] took a lot of abuse," said McGee. "It's his physical presence. If he [McMahon] tackled Ryan McHugh you would get a free, but Murphy is seen to be able to take it. He's suffering because he is so physical."
Cavanagh suggests Tyrone are an improved team on the 2015 edition, the latest evidence of that coming in their five-goal thrashing of Cavan.
"We definitely have the runners," says Cavanagh. "We have serious running power at the moment. The way the game has gone, you need that. And our size is different, our personnel is different and you would hope that it will go a long way to getting a different result.
"And we know the quality of the talent that isn't even making the 26 there at the moment. We see some of the performances some of those guys are putting in at training, and we are in that fortunate position at the moment where we have 28, 30, 32 men that really could do a job for us.
"Whenever you have that, that competitiveness in the squad, then you can see it translating to the pitch."
This is like something a child would do. ::)
"Look where I was hurted!"
I'm surprised Tyrone are such hot favourites too, I just can't see much between either teams and I'm finding it very difficult to predict a winner.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2016, 02:40:05 PM
Baffles me as well why Tyrone are such overwhelming favourites. Apparently league form but don't think any Div 2 team would live with Donegal either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Donegal are done and Tyrone are brilliant... ???
Most people seem to be picking Tyrone but only by the odd point too which I suppose is important. It's not like anyone is saying Tyrone are going to batter Donegal. Someone picking a winner by 1 or 2 points is really saying it could go either way.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2016, 02:55:42 PM
I think a lot of people are thinking Tyrone are favourites because we looked very strong v Cavan the 2nd day out.
We have been putting up big scores all year I suppose and so people see us as having a much stronger attack than in previous years.
The problem in previous years though we have struggled against teams like Donegal who really clamp us down and so I think that's why Donegal will revert back to what they do best and that is restrict us in a war of attrition.
They know we have a lot of pace so I can't see them leaving big gaps even when they push forward to attack.
In the league....
Fermanagh restricted us to 1-9
Armagh restricted us to 0-13
Galway restricted us to 1-11
Cavan restricted us to 0-10
None of those scores will be enough to beat Donegal on Sunday imo and they'll have a meaner defense than any of those 4 sides.
Over the last few games in the Championship Donegal have scored...
2015 - 1-13
2013 - 2-10
2012 - 0-12
2011 - 2-6
Wastefulness cost us in pretty much all of those games. The last two being in Ballybofey put us at a big disadvantage to being in Clones is a help.
We've put up decent scores in a few games like Derry and Cavan replay but we've been held in other games too. OK two of those games were after the league final position was wrapped up already so they wouldn't have been giving everything like they could have done. Donegal will have a plan for our running game and I really hope we have a plan B and don't resort to taking pot shots from all over the field. I'd expect us to have at least 6/7 score-able free's from distance and it'll be whether we can finally get someone to put 5/6 of those over the bar will determine the winner. No way does Murphy have such a bad game from dead balls again for Donegal so us scoring ours is an absolute must. Personally I'd have Morgan take everything (not in Ballybofey so the grass will hopefully be cut) outside of 30 yards. Let him take a handy one or two as well to get the confidence up because he seems such a streaky kicker. Let Sean take everything inside that.
Some interesting discussion here from Wooly and co on this podcast.
They think Ryan McHugh will be given the task to mark Peter Harte but are not sure how will benefit most from that match up.
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/the-gaa-hour-with-colm-parkinson-new-donegal-and-dublin-versus-the-spread/87199 (http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/the-gaa-hour-with-colm-parkinson-new-donegal-and-dublin-versus-the-spread/87199)
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2016, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2016, 02:40:05 PM
Baffles me as well why Tyrone are such overwhelming favourites. Apparently league form but don't think any Div 2 team would live with Donegal either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Donegal are done and Tyrone are brilliant... ???
Most people seem to be picking Tyrone but only by the odd point too which I suppose is important. It's not like anyone is saying Tyrone are going to batter Donegal. Someone picking a winner by 1 or 2 points is really saying it could go either way.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2016, 02:55:42 PM
I think a lot of people are thinking Tyrone are favourites because we looked very strong v Cavan the 2nd day out.
We have been putting up big scores all year I suppose and so people see us as having a much stronger attack than in previous years.
The problem in previous years though we have struggled against teams like Donegal who really clamp us down and so I think that's why Donegal will revert back to what they do best and that is restrict us in a war of attrition.
They know we have a lot of pace so I can't see them leaving big gaps even when they push forward to attack.
In the league....
Fermanagh restricted us to 1-9
Armagh restricted us to 0-13
Galway restricted us to 1-11
Cavan restricted us to 0-10
None of those scores will be enough to beat Donegal on Sunday imo and they'll have a meaner defense than any of those 4 sides.
Over the last few games in the Championship Donegal have scored...
2015 - 1-13
2013 - 2-10
2012 - 0-12
2011 - 2-6
Wastefulness cost us in pretty much all of those games. The last two being in Ballybofey put us at a big disadvantage to being in Clones is a help.
We've put up decent scores in a few games like Derry and Cavan replay but we've been held in other games too. OK two of those games were after the league final position was wrapped up already so they wouldn't have been giving everything like they could have done. Donegal will have a plan for our running game and I really hope we have a plan B and don't resort to taking pot shots from all over the field. I'd expect us to have at least 6/7 score-able free's from distance and it'll be whether we can finally get someone to put 5/6 of those over the bar will determine the winner. No way does Murphy have such a bad game from dead balls again for Donegal so us scoring ours is an absolute must. Personally I'd have Morgan take everything (not in Ballybofey so the grass will hopefully be cut) outside of 30 yards. Let him take a handy one or two as well to get the confidence up because he seems such a streaky kicker. Let Sean take everything inside that.
Bookies Donegal 15/8 like wtf!!!
Quote from: JoG2 on July 15, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
I'm from Donegal stock and don't like Tyrone, so would be fairly neutral ;D
imo, this will be a very cagey, defensive affair with sweepers a plenty with no opposition players pushed up on them. There is so much to gain by winning on Sunday
It'll come down to who is most economical in front of goal. To this end, the most important man on Sunday will be the ref and how he calls the tackle. You often hear the shout from the stand of "don't foul! don't foul!", when in reality the shout should be "dont blow! dont blow!". A lot of refs believe that 4/5/6 grown men can all tackle the ball at the same time, and that's their prerogative as they have the whistle.
To that end, it'll (unfortunately) be decided on how fussy Coldrick is. If he's very fussy, Donegal will win as they have the better free takers, and if he isn't I can see Tyrone nick it, if their younger breed handle the occasion ok.
Either way, I'm looking forward to it and would have been heading only for underage training
Theoretically they can and are allowed do so. Most of the time they just surround the player forcing him to over-carry.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2016, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2016, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2016, 02:40:05 PM
Baffles me as well why Tyrone are such overwhelming favourites. Apparently league form but don't think any Div 2 team would live with Donegal either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Donegal are done and Tyrone are brilliant... ???
Most people seem to be picking Tyrone but only by the odd point too which I suppose is important. It's not like anyone is saying Tyrone are going to batter Donegal. Someone picking a winner by 1 or 2 points is really saying it could go either way.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2016, 02:55:42 PM
I think a lot of people are thinking Tyrone are favourites because we looked very strong v Cavan the 2nd day out.
We have been putting up big scores all year I suppose and so people see us as having a much stronger attack than in previous years.
The problem in previous years though we have struggled against teams like Donegal who really clamp us down and so I think that's why Donegal will revert back to what they do best and that is restrict us in a war of attrition.
They know we have a lot of pace so I can't see them leaving big gaps even when they push forward to attack.
In the league....
Fermanagh restricted us to 1-9
Armagh restricted us to 0-13
Galway restricted us to 1-11
Cavan restricted us to 0-10
None of those scores will be enough to beat Donegal on Sunday imo and they'll have a meaner defense than any of those 4 sides.
Over the last few games in the Championship Donegal have scored...
2015 - 1-13
2013 - 2-10
2012 - 0-12
2011 - 2-6
Wastefulness cost us in pretty much all of those games. The last two being in Ballybofey put us at a big disadvantage to being in Clones is a help.
We've put up decent scores in a few games like Derry and Cavan replay but we've been held in other games too. OK two of those games were after the league final position was wrapped up already so they wouldn't have been giving everything like they could have done. Donegal will have a plan for our running game and I really hope we have a plan B and don't resort to taking pot shots from all over the field. I'd expect us to have at least 6/7 score-able free's from distance and it'll be whether we can finally get someone to put 5/6 of those over the bar will determine the winner. No way does Murphy have such a bad game from dead balls again for Donegal so us scoring ours is an absolute must. Personally I'd have Morgan take everything (not in Ballybofey so the grass will hopefully be cut) outside of 30 yards. Let him take a handy one or two as well to get the confidence up because he seems such a streaky kicker. Let Sean take everything inside that.
Bookies Donegal 15/8 like wtf!!!
Just gone in to 7/4. Missed out.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
Would be good to hear the thoughts of some of the Donegal posters and neutrals on how they think the game will go.
J70 tends to be cautious and plays down your chances but where do you think ye can win this game and what is your concerns?
I think both teams will be worried if either team get too far ahead as they are good at closing up shop and not letting the other team back into it. Tyrone showed v Cavan the last day that if you push forward and leave big holes that they have the players now to create and score goals. You somehow can't see any Tyrone player running 50 yards this Sunday to score an easy goal.
Both teams so far have shown much more of an attacking attitude but I think that could be curbed a lot on Sunday with so much at stake.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm going to be cautious as hell here again, partly because I still have some doubts about Donegal in midfield/kickouts and how we are going to handle Tyrone's fast breaks. We have not been quite as tight as we were under McGuinness, and are in fact giving up a couple of goal chances in each game. Sure Tyrone yourselves were the first to show this up last year when McCurry fired home in acres of space. We also seemed to tire a bit towards the end of the Monaghan games, getting penned back a little in both games defending the lead, albeit both times being down to 14 men (in fact we've finished all three games with 14 men - is that a record?!). And then there is the worry that, if we don't get a goal or two, that we find it difficult to push past 11 or 12 points, last day being an exception. And the final worry is that the likes of Lacey and Kavanagh and Eamon McGee going up against these speedy young Tyrone lads, either being bypassed or giving away scorable frees.
On the plus side, we improved in midfield/kickouts, dramatically, in the second Monaghan game, while these angled runs everyone is going on about appear to be allowing us to create a few chances and get in on goal now and again. We have plenty of speed and ball carrying ability to break through lines, with the McHughs, O'Reilly, McBrearty etc. We have plenty of players who can knock over points and (usually) reliable free takers.
Overall, I've no idea how this will go. Its 50/50. Doesn't mean that a mistake or two won't tilt it one or another into a six or seven point win, but as Tyrone are, for now, still a rather unknown quantity in terms of their actual quality against Division 1 level teams, I don't see how one can call it either way. And everyone, even if they are leaning Tyrone in the predictions, seems to be acknowledging this, going for them by a couple of points.
Hopefully, whichever way it goes, we're talking about some good scores or pieces of skill winning it, and not someone diving or feigning injury or giving verbal abuse or grabbing someone's nuts or throwing sly dig or the referee making a massive, game-deciding/changing f**k-up!
Some hope, probably! :)
Yawn J70 tell us what you really think, no harm but what is the point being coy and analytical about it? Are you a supporter or an analyst?
I really think I've no idea how it will go.
Sorry I've nothing more enlightening to contribute! :)
But I will love if we beat you though... Love it! :P
Donegal to win after a replay. Hoping for a good game and a decent ref
Looking forward to this, a real championship game in the making with plenty of skulduggery in the offing.
Tyrone will win though, they beat Monaghan handy last year, with a lesser team. Donegal struggled over two matches against a Monaghan team that has regressed. It could be tight if Tyrone don't get an early lead on Donegal, or Tyrone could win by as much as they did against Derry and Cavan. Combined.
I'm looking forward to the inevitable badness. Ref will have his hands full; I'd love to be reffing it.
Sold out. Should be a cracker
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
What's the weather like?
I think the wetter and more miserable it is, the more it suits Donegal, they have a more physical side in and wet and soft conditions ultimately suit the bigger, stronger, less mobile players than the lighter, quicker ones. Referees tend to let things go a bit more on account of the conditions and contact suits the bigger players.
I find it daft when pundits like Colm O'Rourke always suggest that wet conditions suit the smaller, nippier players.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 15, 2016, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
no rain sunday good for the small nippy players
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 15, 2016, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
3 from 3 in our last three All Ireland Finals.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 15, 2016, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
Tyrone haven't beaten a top team in the championship since 2008...
Donegal to win for me. Tyrone have a 15 on the field which is a little better than 2015 but not all that different. 11 of the starting 15 are the same. 3 more appeared as subs in last year's encounter. I don't buy the vast improvement being reported. Derry and Cavan are 3rd and 2nd tier ulster teams at present. Taking 2 attempts to beat Cavan was pretty gruesome.
Tyrones lack of consistency from placed balls and small stature up front will play into Donegals hands. Both teams have added pace to their game in the past 12 months. I think Donegal have more leaders across the pitch to shade this game. For me there was never much to separate the teams but of late we have managed the games better. Trend to continue and Harte to finish his Tyrone managerial stint in a QF against Dublin where rumours of Tyrone ability to challenge Dublin will be well and truly dispelled.
Ye wanted an honest opinion. 😆
Mickey Harte talked to Gemma on Seó Spóirt tonight.
Quote from: longballin on July 15, 2016, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 15, 2016, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 15, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone were in decline from 2009-2014.
Different team now.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
Tyrone haven't beaten a top team in the championship since 2008...
Quote from: dlgael on July 15, 2016, 10:02:25 PM
Donegal to win for me. Tyrone have a 15 on the field which is a little better than 2015 but not all that different. 11 of the starting 15 are the same. 3 more appeared as subs in last year's encounter. I don't buy the vast improvement being reported. Derry and Cavan are 3rd and 2nd tier ulster teams at present. Taking 2 attempts to beat Cavan was pretty gruesome.
Tyrones lack of consistency from placed balls and small stature up front will play into Donegals hands. Both teams have added pace to their game in the past 12 months. I think Donegal have more leaders across the pitch to shade this game. For me there was never much to separate the teams but of late we have managed the games better. Trend to continue and Harte to finish his Tyrone managerial stint in a QF against Dublin where rumours of Tyrone ability to challenge Dublin will be well and truly dispelled.
Ye wanted an honest opinion. 😆
Thanks for the laugh, 'neutral observer'... don't forget to collect your sorry tail on the way out the Clones gate :)
I think our Donegal neighbours are very very very nervous about the possibility that they may well see the end of the team that has restored the pride in their Jersey and the thought that its the noisey neighbours next door that may put them to the sword is just to much for them to bear. The last week all I have read about in social media from the boys from the hill is that these young bucko's from Tyrone are over rate and havent been playing in Div 1 blah blah blah. I would like to point out to them the fact that Tyrone played Div 2 for 1 season and bounced straight back up again. Donegals season in division 1 ended haven beaten top teams Mayo Cork and Down. 2 of these teams already beaten by teams from lower divisions in the Championship. Tyrone on the other hand have remained unbeaten since the All-Ireland semi final last year in a game many people believe that they could and should have won.
Now I cant say for sure that Tyrone will win on Sunday but I do believe that if both teams bring their A game to this final then there will be only one side that will prevail and tgat is Tyrone. All of the best teams have their time and it usually lasts 5-8 years before they go into decline with their smoke being put out by the up and coming side. It happened with Tyrone a few years back before Donegal came along and now its time for the crown to move again. Tyrone by 4/5+. And for all our nervous Donegal folk out there relax its all part of life you grow old and die.
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Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
3 from 3 in our last three All Ireland Finals.
That will stand to you then. Speaking of recent records 3 from 3 is also a good record ye have v Donegal. :p
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Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
3 from 3 in our last three All Ireland Finals.
That will stand to you then. Speaking of recent records 3 from 3 is also a good record ye have v Donegal. :p
i'd rather have that record rather than losing 3 AI finals, Donegal won't win on Sunday because they beat Tyrone last year.
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Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
3 from 3 in our last three All Ireland Finals.
That will stand to you then. Speaking of recent records 3 from 3 is also a good record ye have v Donegal. :p
i'd rather have that record rather than losing 3 AI finals, Donegal won't win on Sunday because they beat Tyrone last year.
They also won't beat Donegal based on winning three All Irelands, the last of which was 8 years ago! Anyway this is not an anti-Tyrone rant more a teasing out of why they are so highly regarded without any Major form?
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Tyrone getting built up my the (Kerry) media this year. Yet to prove they are where they are supposed to be. How much weight can be put on a Division Two title and beating Derry and Cavan in the Championship so far? Not so long ago the (Kerry) media were building Mayo up. That has been shelved for the moment and Tyrone are their new project to build up for the fall.
On results, form and experience I expect Donegal to win. They are no Gom-daws. And they have blooded a few young warriors to go with their more senior lads.
Tyrone are far better at handling expectation though.
From where do you ascertain this? Based on?
3 from 3 in our last three All Ireland Finals.
That will stand to you then. Speaking of recent records 3 from 3 is also a good record ye have v Donegal. :p
i'd rather have that record rather than losing 3 AI finals, Donegal won't win on Sunday because they beat Tyrone last year.
They also won't beat Donegal based on winning three All Irelands, the last of which was 8 years ago! Anyway this is not an anti-Tyrone rant more a teasing out of why they are so highly regarded without any Major form?
If Tyrone are highly regarded its not from Tyrone people talking them up, whether it be through the media or even on here. Saying that we're in a final when we were cubs we were told you're in a final it doesn't matter who the other team is you got to the final too you can't fear them. Surely because we're in final we're allowed to be confident.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on July 15, 2016, 11:30:43 PM
I think our Donegal neighbours are very very very nervous about the possibility that they may well see the end of the team that has restored the pride in their Jersey and the thought that its the noisey neighbours next door that may put them to the sword is just to much for them to bear. The last week all I have read about in social media from the boys from the hill is that these young bucko's from Tyrone are over rate and havent been playing in Div 1 blah blah blah. I would like to point out to them the fact that Tyrone played Div 2 for 1 season and bounced straight back up again. Donegals season in division 1 ended haven beaten top teams Mayo Cork and Down. 2 of these teams already beaten by teams from lower divisions in the Championship. Tyrone on the other hand have remained unbeaten since the All-Ireland semi final last year in a game many people believe that they could and should have won.
Now I cant say for sure that Tyrone will win on Sunday but I do believe that if both teams bring their A game to this final then there will be only one side that will prevail and tgat is Tyrone. All of the best teams have their time and it usually lasts 5-8 years before they go into decline with their smoke being put out by the up and coming side. It happened with Tyrone a few years back before Donegal came along and now its time for the crown to move again. Tyrone by 4/5+. And for all our nervous Donegal folk out there relax its all part of life you grow old and die.
Is it not just the same as the Tyrone supporters predicting a Tyrone win? Don't really see the issue with it.
I also don't see the need to try to attach a "this is the end of Donegal" narrative to this. They they have the same age profile as Tyrone and save for 2 or 3 retirements will have the majority of the same team going forward.
Maybe it's that Donegal are 2 to 1 outsiders and all of the media are going for a Tyrone victory that's got you uneasy?
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I think our Donegal neighbours are very very very nervous about the possibility that they may well see the end of the team that has restored the pride in their Jersey and the thought that its the noisey neighbours next door that may put them to the sword is just to much for them to bear. The last week all I have read about in social media from the boys from the hill is that these young bucko's from Tyrone are over rate and havent been playing in Div 1 blah blah blah. I would like to point out to them the fact that Tyrone played Div 2 for 1 season and bounced straight back up again. Donegals season in division 1 ended haven beaten top teams Mayo Cork and Down. 2 of these teams already beaten by teams from lower divisions in the Championship. Tyrone on the other hand have remained unbeaten since the All-Ireland semi final last year in a game many people believe that they could and should have won.
Now I cant say for sure that Tyrone will win on Sunday but I do believe that if both teams bring their A game to this final then there will be only one side that will prevail and tgat is Tyrone. All of the best teams have their time and it usually lasts 5-8 years before they go into decline with their smoke being put out by the up and coming side. It happened with Tyrone a few years back before Donegal came along and now its time for the crown to move again. Tyrone by 4/5+. And for all our nervous Donegal folk out there relax its all part of life you grow old and die.
Is it not just the same as the Tyrone supporters predicting a Tyrone win? Don't really see the issue with it.
I also don't see the need to try to attach a "this is the end of Donegal" narrative to this. They they have the same age profile as Tyrone and save for 2 or 3 retirements will have the majority of the same team going forward.
Maybe it's that Donegal are 2 to 1 outsiders and all of the media are going for a Tyrone victory that's got you uneasy?
Don't think the odds are far away to be honest and I do think this is the end of the road for this Donegal side. They have been on the wane for a year or two. If you look at it Donegals record against the top teams has been poor over last years championship and national league they have been beaten seven times played 17. Dublin x 2. Monaghan x 2, Roscommon, Kerry and Mayo. Tyrone have been beaten twice by Donegal and Kerry (all-ireland semi) Played 18. The problem I see for Donegal is that they are close to the end of players who have been constants in the team over the last 7-8 years players like mcfadden lacey mcgees etc. These players are the stevie oneills gormelys and jordans of the Tyrone side of old. Players of that importance to a side are the glue which keeps a team going its not till they go that you suddenly find out that the younger players around them take a few years to figure it out.
Donegal can talk big all they want, but in Gaelic Football theres a stage where the old guys get caught out and on first glance that could be tomorrow. However the carrot is a real opportunity for the winner is to have a chance to get to an all ireland final so the ageing stock will have added motivation. If they werent good enough to win the last 2 ulsters I wonder what has changed to make them so confident now. Perhaps they think they see a team they can bully out the gate. Perhaps they can. Tomorrow we will learn more about Tyrone than Donegal regardless of the result. The stakes couldnt be higher. Roll on the sun. Draw!
Tyrone's wobbly defence will be their letdown,also their forwards will not get space to breathe.Even in the glory days Tyrone couldn't live with Armagh's intensity in Ulster,and remember they are playing a team appearing in their sixth consecutive Ulster Final,and the only players who have experienced Ulster Final day in the Tyrone panel are the ageing Sean Cavanagh and McMahons.
The real Ulster Final was between Monaghan and Donegal this year.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 06:53:16 AM
Tyrone's wobbly defence will be their letdown,also their forwards will not get space to breathe.Even in the glory days Tyrone couldn't live with Armagh's intensity in Ulster,and remember they are playing a team appearing in their sixth consecutive Ulster Final,and the only players who have experienced Ulster Final day in the Tyrone panel are the ageing Sean Cavanagh and McMahons.
The real Ulster Final was between Monaghan and Donegal this year.
I don't know which particular years you count as glory years but Tyrone beat Armagh in championship matches 97,01,03,05,09,12.
Armagh beat Tyrone in the Championship 00, 02 and 05 both times after replays, this is Tyrone and Donegal time well until tomorrow evening let us have it.
Armagh won 6 Ulster titles in their peak years,1999 to 2006,Tyrone couldn't handle the intensity in Ulster,as evidenced by their defeats in early rounds to Donegal (04),Derry (06),Down (08),not to mention their catostrophic failure to hold on to commanding leads against Armagh in the final and replay in 2005.
They will wilt again in the White Heat of Clones tomorrow
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 07:46:19 AM
Armagh won 6 Ulster titles in their peak years,1999 to 2006,Tyrone couldn't handle the intensity in Ulster,as evidenced by their defeats in early rounds to Donegal (04),Derry (06),Down (08),not to mention their catostrophic failure to hold on to commanding leads against Armagh in the final and replay in 2005.
They will wilt again in the White Heat of Clones tomorrow
It is unfortunate we only won 1 less Ulster title in our glory years.
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
Interesting theory. Could Armagh not cope with the intensity of the All Ireland series? Ultimately irrelevant to this year's Ulster Final anyway, just like Armagh.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
It's Armagh's fault we were put in position where we had to go on and win those two flukey AI's. Armagh could have beat us 05 semi final but bottled it, Armagh failed to beat Wexford 08 what were we to do?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
😂 You really are scraping the barrel here Tony. In THE most intensive game of all, 2005 AI semi, it was Armagh that blinked first. When push came to shove your manager shit his pants and your players wilted. No game in Ulster has ever matched the intensity of that day and your lot just came up short.
With regards to tomorrow. I think I'll stick my neck out and say that this is the most important game Tyrone have played since the 2008 final. The two semi finals in 2013 and last year always felt like stepping stones, part of a rebuilding process and we could comfort ourselves with the thought that improvements were being made and we were working towards something again. The U21 win added to that sense. If we lose tomorrow there will be a sense that nothing really has changed, we are once again dumped out by Donegal, a team who are good but a team who we now should be beating, like Mayo and Monaghan did last year. This isn't a great Donegal team but they are a great measure of where you stand. You need to display qualities of heart, desire and will to win to get over the line against them which ultimately tell a lot about a teams potential. I personally think we have a team to win an all Ireland, I'm happy with the building blocks put in place over the past few years leading to this tomorrow but there still is a niggling doubt about our ability to do it when the real, real pressure is on. Tomorrow will answer those questions. Tyrone by 5.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
Lmao!
Really looking forward to this one, so many what if's, how, who........
Talking to the Donegal fellas at work, they are more hopeful than confident. We all agree Tyrone look like a team that are improving with each game and they're pace might be too much for Donegal in the end. But then again Donegal might succeed in slowing and disrupting enough to frustrate Tyrone, with experience on their side they could out-wit them. Are Tyrone far enough along development wise ? I think so.
My feeling is that Tyrone will have too much for Donegal with them using the sweeper system well and running at Donegal on the break, Tyrone by 5 for me.
Will be close for the first 50 mins or so I think.
How can this Tyrone team,after conceding five goals in two games against Cavan be considered to be in contention against Donegal? They have not met a first division team since last year and showed they have no bottle during the latter stages of the first game against Cavan,conceding easy goals and missing easy frees at the death.
Donegal by at least three, or more if they throw of the shackles and let big Murphy into the square where he should have a field day
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 12:07:22 PM
How can this Tyrone team,after conceding five goals in two games against Cavan be considered to be in contention against Donegal? They have not met a first division team since last year and showed they have no bottle during the latter stages of the first game against Cavan,conceding easy goals and missing easy frees at the death.
Donegal by at least three, or more if they throw of the shackles and let big Murphy into the square where he should have a field day
Remortgage the house and put it on Donegal then Tony but beware, your analysis of form regarding Tyrone having not beaten a div 1 team. Donegal only beat Down (beaten by Longford - div 3 team) Mayo (beaten by Galway - div 2 team) and Cork (beaten by Tipp - div 3 team). How did these div 1 teams lose to lower division teams in the championship? Donegal lost to the better div 1 teams. Good luck with the bet!
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2016, 05:30:24 AM
Donegal can talk big all they want, but in Gaelic Football theres a stage where the old guys get caught out and on first glance that could be tomorrow. However the carrot is a real opportunity for the winner is to have a chance to get to an all ireland final so the ageing stock will have added motivation. If they werent good enough to win the last 2 ulsters I wonder what has changed to make them so confident now. Perhaps they think they see a team they can bully out the gate. Perhaps they can. Tomorrow we will learn more about Tyrone than Donegal regardless of the result. The stakes couldnt be higher. Roll on the sun. Draw!
Donegal were good enough to win the Ulster title in 2014 and going by your own criteria for a team earning the right to be confident, Donegal can at least be half confident.
Anyway, may the best rascal win on Sunday, It might even be an exciting close game seeing as both teams have come into good form reaching their traditional standards and will both be well prepared.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 07:46:19 AM
Armagh won 6 Ulster titles in their peak years,1999 to 2006,Tyrone couldn't handle the intensity in Ulster,as evidenced by their defeats in early rounds to Donegal (04),Derry (06),Down (08),not to mention their catostrophic failure to hold on to commanding leads against Armagh in the final and replay in 2005.
They will wilt again in the White Heat of Clones tomorrow
Willy Frazer of the GAA board.
Even Willie Frazer would manage to book the CityWest for the correct weekend for the AI final!!
Keep 'er lit Tony, I'll be reminding you of your peerless wisdom this time tomorrow :D ;)
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
1 All Ireland win is worth 50 Ulster titles.
Yeah Dublin have won far more all Ireland's yet haven't one Ulster to their name
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
1 All Ireland win is worth 50 Ulster titles.
No it isn't.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
1 All Ireland win is worth 50 Ulster titles.
No it isn't.
Correct. It's 100 :D
one change to tyrone 26 apparently another man with plenty of pace
Cavan's inept performance against Derry today is the barometer for this Tyrone team.Conceding five goals in two games against Cavan indicates that they are not defensively nor mentally attunded to handle Donegal.
It's Rory Gallagher to give Tyrone the blues and surely Harte cannot remain in post if Donegal beat Tyrone yet again.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
Cavan's inept performance against Derry today is the barometer for this Tyrone team.Conceding five goals in two games against Cavan indicates that they are not defensively nor mentally attunded to handle Donegal.
It's Rory Gallagher to give Tyrone the blues and surely Harte cannot remain in post if Donegal beat Tyrone yet again.
9900 posts!!!
amazing stuff
This has probably already been mentioned but the losers of this game will possibly have to beat Mayo, Dublin, Kerry and the Ulster winners (or Galway/Ros) to win the AI.
Is there any pundit or columnist (ex-players) who is not from Donegal tipping Donegal to win? Cant find any at all...
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
Cavan's inept performance against Derry today is the barometer for this Tyrone team.Conceding five goals in two games against Cavan indicates that they are not defensively nor mentally attunded to handle Donegal.
It's Rory Gallagher to give Tyrone the blues and surely Harte cannot remain in post if Donegal beat Tyrone yet again.
If Cavan had won i would have been of the opinion they weren't a bad team and the Derry lads would be starting the time to get down to the real football now. Hyland after the match said his players were mentally drained well good luck in div 1. Derry are putting a run together alright I'm sure Donegal are happy enough with the result.
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Is there any pundit or columnist (ex-players) who is not from Donegal tipping Donegal to win? Cant find any at all...
Tony Fearon.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
1 All Ireland win is worth 50 Ulster titles.
No it isn't.
Yeah the Dubs would give up their three recent AI's for a few Ulster titles
Quote from: skeog on July 16, 2016, 06:38:23 PM
one change to tyrone 26 apparently another man with plenty of pace
Meyler?
James Horan went for Donegal. Strange how nearly everyone backing Tyrone. Great to have an Ulster final to look forward to tomorrow, it's been too long. Hopefully we get a decent game and Tyrone can do enough to get over the line.
Looking forward to this tomorrow - should be a great game
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one change to tyrone 26 apparently another man with plenty of pace
Meyler?
Was it one of the '03 men? One of them give a blistering performance up in Greencastle this evening and get a late call up?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
To be fair to Tony, he's right about this. There are nights I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about these Ulster titles Tyrone didn't win in the 00s. The three All-Irelands pale into significance when set up against Armagh's brilliant Ulster record. I've spoken to a few players since and they've all said they would give up an All-Ireland for 2 more Ulsters, or 2 All Irelands for three extra Ulsters. One boy from the Moy said he'd give up all 3 All Irelands for 6 more Ulsters.
Winning a game in the white heat of an Ulster final overrides the pressures of playing in the comparatively tame arena of an All Ireland semi or final. For me any way.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Remarkable all the same,Armagh only lost twice in 8 Ulster championship (when it really was a tough province to get out of) campaigns from 1999 to 2006.Tyrone's flakiness was exposed in Ulster,and two fluke All Ireland wins via the backdoor cannot gloss over this
To be fair to Tony, he's right about this. There are nights I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about these Ulster titles Tyrone didn't win in the 00s. The three All-Irelands pale into significance when set up against Armagh's brilliant Ulster record. I've spoken to a few players since and they've all said they would give up an All-Ireland for 2 more Ulsters, or 2 All Irelands for three extra Ulsters. One boy from the Moy said he'd give up all 3 All Irelands for 6 more Ulsters.
Winning a game in the white heat of an Ulster final overrides the pressures of playing in the comparatively tame arena of an All Ireland semi or final. For me any way.
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T Fearon-the willie Frazer of the gaaboard. Used to be a troll, now a laughing stock for all to point and see.
Donegal goose is cooked weather for the game is hot 22-25 degrees. Cook for 70 mins and serve hot. Tyrone by 6+.
Proudly the note of the trumpet is sounding
Loudly the war-cries arise on the gale
Fleetly the steed by Lough Sweighly is bounding
To join the six squadrons on Saimier's green vale!
On every mountaineer! Strangers to flight or fear!
Rush to the standard of dauntless Red Hugh!
Bonnaught and gallowglass, throng from each mountain pass!
Onward for Erin! O'Donnell Abu!
Princely O'Neill to our aid is advancing
With many a chieftain and warrior clan!
A thousand proud steeds in his vanguard are prancing
'Neath the Borderers brave from the banks of the Ban!
Many a heart shall quail under his coat-of-mail,
Deeply the merciless foeman shall rue
When on his ear shall ring, borne on the breeze's wing
Tyr Connell's dread war cry: O'Donnell Abu!
Wily O'Desmond the war-wolf is howling
Fearless the eagle sweeps over the plain;
The fox in the streets of the city is prowling
And all who would conquer them are banished or slain!
On with O'Donnell then! Fight the good fight again!
Sons of Tyr Connell are valiant and true!
Make the proud Saxon feel Erin's avenging steel!
Strike for your country, O'Donnell Abu!
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one change to tyrone 26 apparently another man with plenty of pace
Meyler?
Was it one of the '03 men? One of them give a blistering performance up in Greencastle this evening and get a late call up?
No, going back to 86. It's joe Mallon after his inclusion in the drumragh dream team. He's flying
Looks like it's gonna be an el scorcho in Clones. Was the same back in 1989. Hope it's the same result.
A lot of Tyrone hype on here in the last few days which the cute hoor Donegal and anti Tyrone brigade will love but of course it has feck all impact on what happens.
With temperatures into the 20s you would imagine the players will struggle with fitness and a running game. The older players will find it hard going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMTE8SaAuA
The good weather makes it Advantage Tyrone.
Tyrone continue to be erratic (a feature of Harte's reign). Who would have thought after running Mayo close in the semi final in 2013,Tyrone would lose to Armagh in Omagh less than one year later?
For experience, guile, tenacity and pedigree I see nothing other than a Donegal win today.When Cavan put it up to Tyrone the first day they wilted.No one will feel the heat more than old Sean Cavanagh today,and he is the only player Tyrone can rely on to perform consistently.
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Tyrone continue to be erotic
FFS Anthony. It's the Sabbath.
Anyone got a seat going I've a man in need he managed to get an oduffy but not really fit to stand.
Mickelson Donegal double pays just over 6/1! On it like a shot!
Tyrone have met nobody yet. Donegal by 2 in a low scoring game.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 17, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
Tyrone have met nobody yet. Donegal by 2 in a low scoring game.
Any team that Donegal have beat this year (ex McKenna cup) have already been beat in Championship by Division 2 and 3 teams.
Feeling nervous but I'm going for Tyrone by 3 after turning on the afterburners in the last quarter.
I would prefer Donegal to win it, for any historical enthusiasts, County Tyrone is actually named after an Inishowen man named Eoghan MacNeill, his grave is outside Muff near derry city
Great to see a packed Clones in the sunshine, even if 2 teams of Hallions are involved.
Get Canning already on his A game, goes through line outs on screen and completely ignores that McGee is in as a replacement at center forward for Donegal.
Maybe it is the heat
Good luck to the Red Hands. Only team that will worry Dublin
Oh Jazes. That girlie signing :-[
Sweet Jaysus. Why oh why do they allow singers to butcher the anthem, week in week out?
One of the umpires forgot his coat?
Tommy Carr, Why?
Both teams setting up very defensively, hopefully the game opens up a bit.
Yeah Carr, listening to him here on RTE 1, i give him another 5 mins then am switching over to BBC
What a bag of shite.
Watching on bbc2 so no tommy Carr here. No atmosphere on it though. It's as quiet as Wimbledon on the tv.
Funny how they describe the goalkeeper punching the ball as "soccer" style. Surely anything that can be done legally in the game is as legitimately Gaelic style as it is soccer. That's just a small bugbear of mine.
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Tommy Carr, Why?
+1
I'm watching game on BBC 2 now :)
Yeah just switched over, Ulster men covering an Ulster game is a lot more natural!
Great cure for insomnia this.
Surprise surprise it aint a classic, when the last time we had a good footballing Ulster final?
Blur were right - Modern Life Football Is Rubbish.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 02:20:56 PM
Surprise surprise it aint a classic, when the last time we had a good footballing Ulster final?
1997. Cavan Derry. Actually I thought the Donegal Monaghan finals were good. Really intense. This is beginning to get good. Ryan McHugh on fire.
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Surprise surprise it aint a classic, when the last time we had a good footballing Ulster final?
1997. Cavan Derry. Actually I thought the Donegal Monaghan finals were good. Really intense. This is beginning to get good. Ryan McHugh on fire.
...Tyrone's defence is terrified?
bye bye Tommy, Hello BBC,
Ryan McHugh turned into a fair footballer for such a small light lad
Is Sean Cavanagh still waiting in the car park in Garvaghey? He's certainly not in Clones.
Absolute muck game of football!
This is brutal, no intensity, lots of poor play (can't call it football), interspersed with the odd quality score. Rubbish.
Gaelic getting more and more like soccer with all these men back
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 02:33:19 PM
Gaelic getting more and more like soccer with all these men back
More like Rugby if you ask me?
Thats one wrong, the Donegal man run into him
Shocking decision
Tyrone keeping all there men back is not helping them, cant understand why they wont attack given they have a good full forward line
Woeful decision, never a black.
Where is the intensity!?
Never a black card.
This is no better than last week's Connacht final. Only it's being played in perfect conditions.
foot trip?
He knew what he was doing... Gamesmanship he thought he could get away with and fair play the ref was equal to it.
That should have been a black card as well!! Blatant trip.
Sorry that was a good call.
Coldrick won't be going for a night out in Tyrone any time soon.
Even I'm beginning to think the world is against Tyrone!
This game will fully test Micky Harte's tactical abilities
Ref riding Tyrone.
The game is awful and ref is awful . Gaelic football is in utter crisis . The hand pass is ruining the sport .
Definite black card for Donnelly, knew what he was doing there leaving the elbow up with the ball well gone.
Jez, that's not a black! No way could he have got out of the way! He was in the air trying to block a pass over his head! A tick at worst, if even that! McHugh is a light lad which made it look worse.
And it gets worse McGee dives! and gets another player to get a Black. There won't be anything on social media because he's a back!
Coldrick is losing the plot. Kavanagh's yellow no less deliberate or cynical than McShane's black.
The ref has lost control of a game that had no dirt or intensity.
Tyrone lost their heads early on with poor shooting, despite all the talk the evidence of that half is that lessons have not been learned from the championship defeats against Donegal in recent years. It would take a massive turnaround in the second half and it's hard to see it happening.
The two black card decisions were ridiculous.
Can a ref GET a black card for poor decisions
2nd black didn't look like there was much in it
These cards are a farce, referee a disgrace
Like Connacht final without the stormy weather.
The McGee one is technical correct though no man should see the line for such a minor foul,
Quote from: ashman on July 17, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
The game is awful and ref is awful . Gaelic football is in utter crisis . The hand pass is ruining the sport .
The matty donnelly one was a definite black card. The mcshane one I thought on first viewing was black but in slow motion I think it was very harsh on mcshane. If football continues to be like this I can't see myself going to too many games or even watching on tv.
Hard to watch. Gaelic football needs an overhaul.
Possibly only a stated amount of players allowed in defensive section of playing field.
Anyone who thinks the black card improves the game when applied in the fashion that it currently is, is an idiot!
P.s. This is brutal stuff!
I'd love to know how many kick passes there has been apart from restarts from kick outs and free kicks. Brutal game to watch.
Referee's are the problem the black card is another tool they can f**k up, or in the case of Coldrick abuse.
The days of a high fielding Anthony Tohill, John McDermott, and Dara O`Se are long gone by the look of it
I thought both black cards were the correct decisions although I can understand why they were considered harsh. The camera angle of the first down the pitch showed Donnelly took a step toward McHugh after McHugh fisted the ball away. Letter of the law black card. The second one more clear cut as the McShane grabbed at the ankle. You can't blame the ref for either, the problems with the rules.
Didn't think either were black cards though Kavanagh's was correctly a yellow and not black. However, it would be nice to see all 30 players replaced by 30 footballers. That was one of the worst halves of football I have ever seen in perfect conditions.
Colm O Rourke going on about a young Tyrone team. Donegal have a younger age average.
Harsh on McShane, but stupid on his part to even look like he was going for his leg.
The Donnelly one looked similar to the one McElhinney got against Monaghan. Them's the breaks. Donegal got an unfair one in the replay against Monaghan.
Poor game. Ryan McHugh head and shoulders above everyone. Awful miss by Lacey, but then Tyrone had a similar one from Sludden.
I fear the Tyrone reaction...
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 17, 2016, 02:39:46 PM
Coldrick won't be going for a night out in Tyrone any time soon.
Who would?
Quote from: hardstation on July 17, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
McShane deserved his black for a foot trip.
Shite game.
BBC reckon it was no foot trip.
Those decisions were a farce, you should only give a black card if you're sure. Disgusted.
Brutal game btw.
McShane's for verbals
Verbal abuse to the umpire for the McShane Black apparently,
McShanes black card for verbals to the umpire. Fair enough! So much for clowns on here saying he deserved it for a clear foot trip!
Ref must be missing all those McMahon verbals
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McShane deserved his black for a foot trip.
Shite game.
BBC reckon it was no foot trip.
RTE dont feel the need to discuss it just give us the insight that the football is shite
How are verbals a black card?? Sure they're for cynical play??
First black card for verbal I have seen. Though in fairness it is one of the reasons for a black card. Consistency . . .
So in nearly 40 mins both teams kick the ball 14 times each....why don't we change the name of the game to Gaelic Handball....
Just for reference Tyrone got a player blackcarded for what Eoin McHugh did to Mattie Donnelly
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 02:54:34 PM
Verbal abuse to the umpire for the McShane Black apparently,
Wonder what he said. Umpire seemed to be saying something when he was on the way down.
Don't think Coldrick even saw the collision for the first black card. Looked like his eyes were following the ball.
is that in the same way McCann tried to get Darren Hughes sent off
First Donegal foul was the most definite black card in this match so far
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 17, 2016, 02:57:04 PM
So in nearly 40 mins both teams kick the ball 14 times each....why don't we change the name of the game to Gaelic Handball....
Have you seen any of the points kicked from distance?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2016, 02:53:47 PM
Those decisions were a farce, you should only give a black card if you're sure. Disgusted.
Brutal game btw.
One would assume the referee WAS sure.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that he was mistaken, one can be certain about something but still be mistaken. He gets one look at things in real time.
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
First black card for verbal I have seen. Though in fairness it is one of the reasons for a black card. Consistency . . .
Eugene Keating got one for Cavan last week for verbals to umpires.
Murphy should go for that!
This is what makes the black card a complete bollocks! Murphy has to get a black card for that!!
Sludden not better at no.6??
Completely inconsistent.
Watching this game on RTE, would someone give Tommy Carr a large bar of chocolate which my keep him quiet for a while. He is very hard to listen to.
Jesus, how many wides are there in this game, poor standard
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So in nearly 40 mins both teams kick the ball 14 times each....why don't we change the name of the game to Gaelic Handball....
Have you seen any of the points kicked from distance?
There were a few alright but how many wides were there??
Donegal want to get moving here. Being held up repeatedly at Tyrone 45
where big Murphy disappeared to, hes drifted out of the game
Quote from: Carbery on July 17, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
Watching this game on RTE, would someone give Tommy Carr a large bar of chocolate which my keep him quiet for a while. He is very hard to listen to.
Or better still fill his mouth with something and put masking tape over it. Offers nothing we don't know and doesn't know how to shut up.
Brennan been superb
Not a massive tyrone fan but think the ref isn't being good to them here. Thompson should have a black for deliberate pull down. Murphy should be off too.
Tyrone and Donegal must have the worse styles of play to watch, Gaelic football not much of a spectator sport any more, thank f**k for Dublin
Held scoreless for 20 mins
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:18:44 PM
Not a massive tyrone fan but think the ref isn't being good to them here. Thompson should have a black for deliberate pull down. Murphy should be off too.
How the f**k was the Murphy one a black card?
Wasn't even a foul.
The dubs would beat the pick of both teams!!
Very tough to watch actually emptied the dishwasher a few minutes ago
Tyrone only them selves to blame here, they should pushed way up and bring their good full forward line into the game instead of this defensive shite!!
This is miles worse than the Connacht final.
Quote from: haze on July 17, 2016, 03:26:08 PM
This is miles worse than the Connacht final.
Red is shafting Donegal
It's a fascinating match, two chess grandmasters.
Tyrone have players back but at least are trying to attack when in possession. Donegal just aren't interested in attacking when they have any sort of lead. Brutal tactics
Looks like both managers have no belief in their own teams abilities to defend or attack.....
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Not a massive tyrone fan but think the ref isn't being good to them here. Thompson should have a black for deliberate pull down. Murphy should be off too.
How the f**k was the Murphy one a black card?
Wasn't even a foul.
Murphy on mcann? He took him out blatantly and is always at that!!
Donegal have got one ball into the 21 yard line this half... From the throw in...
Its nearly like 2 teams holding out for a replay, plus the foul on Walsh and the foul on Harte were both frees, no chance the ref going to give a free unless assaulted
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Not a massive tyrone fan but think the ref isn't being good to them here. Thompson should have a black for deliberate pull down. Murphy should be off too.
How the f**k was the Murphy one a black card?
Wasn't even a foul.
Murphy on mcann? He took him out blatantly and is always at that!!
McCann ran into him as he released the ball. Where was Murphy supposed to go?
Replay in Clones next Saturday.
Benny why wouldn't Tyrone push on and attack, they have better players than Donegal but Harte's tactics are holding them back
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Thats looked a penalty but u need to be assaulted to get a free here
Dive!
6 mins
Now there's a great point
I don't think any team deserves to win this.
Cavanagh definitely not left behind in Garvaghy. Great point!
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2016, 03:35:16 PM
Dive!
Down on his knee before a hand was laid on him
Decent finish to the game
some man sent out search and rescue for big Murphy, where he disappear too, oops big free for him now!!
Another great point
Thank f**k somebody won it because I don't think anybody fancied seeing it again.
Fair play to Tyrone. Very impressive second half. They will be hard to beat this year
Well done Tyrone. Well deserved on that second half. Donegal just couldn't get going up front in second half, constantly running into that ferocious defending.
Enjoy the cup!
Tyrone come very late to win it there, should pushed one earlier as they had the better forwards, cant see them make a impression against Dublin however
Quote from: gallsman on July 17, 2016, 03:41:34 PM
Thank f**k somebody won it because I don't think anybody fancied seeing it again.
+1 ;D
Yeooooooowwwwww
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Gowan Trone
Some winner from Peter Harte!
The real winners today were Dublin!!
The ref was brutal.
Super second half performance. Game was shite but our bottle was questioned and the answer was what we wanted to see! We'll play better than this but we now can't question this teams nerve!
Wow. I couldn't see any way back at half-time, Tyrone looked like they had been spooked by Donegal again and the black cards were a disaster. The team showed massive spirit in the second half to turn it around. They can play much better but beating Donegal in that fashion will be huge for that Tyrone team. Fair play to them, I doubted them and I was wrong and delighted to be proved wrong!
f**k me is there anything worse after a win like that than having to listen to O'Rourke and Spillane
Hard luck Donegal BTW great competitive match, feck the begrudgers!
Five long years? It was 6 years. Aren't you an accountant, Sean?
That was well deserved by Tyrone after an impotent first half. They had that bit more going forward, more adventure (though that wouldn't be hard), more speed about their play and more imaginative movement.
That was an intense effort by Donegal though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 03:38:30 PM
some man sent out search and rescue for big Murphy, where he disappear too, oops big free for him now!!
Murphy must be carrying an injury. He hasn't looked fit all year. Terrible match, awful football. It'll get to the stage where neutrals can't watch a game. Ref shafted Donegal in the 2nd half. There was 3 or 4 scoreable frees not given. He only awarded them a free when it was 60 yards out.
A lot more in that Tyrone team. I think they could give Dublin their fill of it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
Benny why wouldn't Tyrone push on and attack, they have better players than Donegal but Harte's tactics are holding them back
My point was that they looked like they were happy to hold on to a one point lead when the game was there to be won. They could have gone for the jugular and won the game! For me this was partly what cost them the game. Rory Gallagher has to take responsibility for that, brutal!
Quote from: grounded on July 17, 2016, 03:52:22 PM
A lot more in that Tyrone team. I think they could give Dublin their fill of it.
They will give Dublin a good game but the advantages they had over Donegal (more pace and more scoring options) won't be there against Dublin....and they will not be allowed walk the ball up the pitch like they did today
Tyrone had the balls to go for it in the end and it paid off.
How will Donegal respond in the qualifiers is the big question.
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Quote from: grounded on July 17, 2016, 03:52:22 PM
A lot more in that Tyrone team. I think they could give Dublin their fill of it.
They will give Dublin a good game but the advantages they had over Donegal (more pace and more scoring options) won't be there against Dublin....and they will not be allowed walk the ball up the pitch like they did today
Are Dublin any better at stopping runners than Donegal? Dubs won't get a game like this to the end of August
RTE seem to be biting back - they didn't show the presentation or Cavanagh's speech. Will be interesting to see if they show the Leinster presentation!
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
f**k me is there anything worse after a win like that than having to listen to O'Rourke and Spillane
Hard luck Donegal BTW great competitive match, feck the begrudgers!
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Watching the game was far worse . The game was utterly awful to watch . An awful lot of fine players in both teams .
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 17, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Tyrone had the balls to go for it in the end and it paid off.
How will Donegal respond in the qualifiers is the big question.
And on that, they deserved it. Donegal far too reserved and concerned with holding possession and trying to walk it through, even when they went 20 minutes without scoring.
A horrible game. This type of football is spreading like a disease and we need a cure quickly. Two of the best teams around and they serve up this crap. This added to the changed pricing structures in the qualifiers will drive crowds away. Sky will be showing it on the horror channel.
Tyrone may have suffered 2 harsh black cards but the introduction of this card has meant that teams cannot block the runners to stop their running game. The only decent thing to watch in the first 70 minutes of game.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 07:46:19 AMThey will wilt again in the White Heat of Clones tomorrow
Hahahahahahahahahaha - you f**king clown
S. Cavanagh was the difference, he showed he still has the pace, skill and strength to rise above the norm at the highest level
Sludden was also very good already an essential player for us
Colm magnificent too as was Harte
Rory Brennan very good when he came on, thought he should have started but....... in Mickey we trust!
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 12:31:14 PM
Mickelson Donegal double pays just over 6/1! On it like a shot!
How much did you put on Tony??
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
Your independence has to be questioned though.
Thought referee let a lot go. If he hadn't match would have been worse. Have seen black cards given for Donnelly type incident before. Harsh and I think it was called by linesman. Murphy was not even close to a card never mind black. Although Thompson could have seen red the Tyrone player who got caught on camera punching Murphy could have got red much earlier. Watched the whole game on TV and do not recall where Tyrone should have got a penalty.
Take you win and walk away. The sooner this game is forgotten about the better.
On 2nd review it was no penalty, originally i thought it was
Even when Tyrone win a very tough game, the blinkered whining about the ref's decisions is trademark.
Just can't let it drop, enjoy the moment and bask in the glow for a few hours.
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
Yes, yes, yes.
That is all.
Quote from: Main Street on July 17, 2016, 04:27:56 PM
Even when Tyrone win a very tough game, the blinkered whining about the ref's decisions is trademark.
Just can't let it drop, enjoy the moment and bask in the glow for a few hours.
Ahh Main St we missed you this past week, where have you been? Youd nearly think you were dumped out of the championship by Longford or someone
Time get the bunting out again we are on the march to Croker and we would like our subordinates to display suitable homage
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A lot more in that Tyrone team. I think they could give Dublin their fill of it.
They will give Dublin a good game but the advantages they had over Donegal (more pace and more scoring options) won't be there against Dublin....and they will not be allowed walk the ball up the pitch like they did today
Most definitely the QF and SF are a forgone conclusion for Tyrone.
Ah T Fearon-the gift that keeps on giving!!!
Murphy can be silenced, I think McCarron had an excellent game. Was poor to watch. Very poor. Donegal run forward 10 yards until the meet contact where the then turn back and pass to another who runs 10 yards. Like a f*cked up version of rugby league.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
Your independence has to be questioned though.
Thought referee let a lot go. If he hadn't match would have been worse. Have seen black cards given for Donnelly type incident before. Harsh and I think it was called by linesman. Murphy was not even close to a card never mind black. Although Thompson could have seen red the Tyrone player who got caught on camera punching Murphy could have got red much earlier. Watched the whole game on TV and do not recall where Tyrone should have got a penalty.
Take you win and walk away. The sooner this game is forgotten about the better.
Penalty was Murphy's foul on Brennan in the 2nd half
"This take the win and walk away" talk is nonsense and irresponsible, the referee was rubbish and made very bad and inconsistent calls and it needs to be pointed out otherwise their standard will continue to abysmal. This remains the case win or lose!
And sure if we had lost it would be sour grapes ::) ... so gotta show the consistency that I want the referees to display
Donnelly black card fully deserved, and if the second one was for mouthing he can have no complaints. The kick on Cavanagh should have been a straight red though.
Tyrone were the better team and deserved their win, awful to watch though apart from last ten minutes.
Quote from: north down on July 17, 2016, 03:59:16 PM
RTE seem to be biting back - they didn't show the presentation or Cavanagh's speech. Will be interesting to see if they show the Leinster presentation!
Nearly all the pundits stuck up for tyrone in the black card incidents and some other dodgy decisions by the ref. The directors and overlords of rte need to take action and have a word to make sure the pundits know to maintain their campaign of bias against Tyrone.
Quote from: The Stallion on July 17, 2016, 04:54:51 PM
Donnelly black card fully deserved, and if the second one was for mouthing he can have no complaints. The kick on Cavanagh should have been a straight red though.
Tyrone were the better team and deserved their win, awful to watch though apart from last ten minutes.
If we are asking a player to leave the field for either of those incidents then the rules are an ass. Further proven to be ridiculous by the lack of consistency or fairness. 20 minutes later Connelly gets yellow for head locking someone and wrestling him to the ground, players don't know whether they are coming or going.
If players don't foul or mouth they won't have to worry about cards. Time they took some responsibility for their actions.
Not sure what the rule book says. Is mouthing a black card offence or are the officials just making the rules up again?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
Your independence has to be questioned though.
Thought referee let a lot go. If he hadn't match would have been worse. Have seen black cards given for Donnelly type incident before. Harsh and I think it was called by linesman. Murphy was not even close to a card never mind black. Although Thompson could have seen red the Tyrone player who got caught on camera punching Murphy could have got red much earlier. Watched the whole game on TV and do not recall where Tyrone should have got a penalty.
Take you win and walk away. The sooner this game is forgotten about the better.
Penalty was Murphy's foul on Brennan in the 2nd half
"This take the win and walk away" talk is nonsense and irresponsible, the referee was rubbish and made very bad and inconsistent calls and it needs to be pointed out otherwise their standard will continue to abysmal. This remains the case win or lose!
And sure if we had lost it would be sour grapes ::) ... so gotta show the consistency that I want the referees to display
As a neutral I thought the referee was consistent. Too many times decisions can go either way. That is a rule problem not a referee problem. The best we can hope for is that referees are consistent during the game. If another referee had have been in charge today there would have been a massive number of frees. The referee also has to listen to the other match day officials. Tyrone were not on the receiving end of any critical blatantly wrong decisions. Even the black cards are a matter of opinion. At the minute that counts as a good day for a referee.
Quote from: north down on July 17, 2016, 05:09:44 PM
Not sure what the rule book says. Is mouthing a black card offence or are the officials just making the rules up again?
Think it can be black or red.
Its Black, about time you men looked up what black card offense are
The brennan thing was never a penalty.
Black card for donnelly was harsh but it actually helped tyrone with the impact brennan had. Very good player brennan.
Donegal will still be hard to beat but i think there's more in that tyrone team than we saw today.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
Your independence has to be questioned though.
Thought referee let a lot go. If he hadn't match would have been worse. Have seen black cards given for Donnelly type incident before. Harsh and I think it was called by linesman. Murphy was not even close to a card never mind black. Although Thompson could have seen red the Tyrone player who got caught on camera punching Murphy could have got red much earlier. Watched the whole game on TV and do not recall where Tyrone should have got a penalty.
Take you win and walk away. The sooner this game is forgotten about the better.
What game?
It was a great day for football and we saw a great intense game. Modern.
We saw an intense-free load of rubbish, soccer with hands.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
the last 10 mins doesn't hide the fact the game was crap, near 25 wides if nor more, says it all
Quote from: north down on July 17, 2016, 05:09:44 PM
Not sure what the rule book says. Is mouthing a black card offence or are the officials just making the rules up again?
Mouthing to any officials or players is a black card offence.
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
Could give Cavanagh a card for pinning the donegal man legs down which is why he kicked back, but you are correct it should been red
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RTE seem to be biting back - they didn't show the presentation or Cavanagh's speech. Will be interesting to see if they show the Leinster presentation!
Nearly all the pundits stuck up for tyrone in the black card incidents and some other dodgy decisions by the ref. The directors and overlords of rte need to take action and have a word to make sure the pundits know to maintain their campaign of bias against Tyrone.
Pat Spillane thought Donnelly blatant.black card.
In Pats day that normally passed for a standard tackle lol
Spot on bomber about the munroe shoulder. I think it might even have been the winnin of the game for us
A real Carmen handshake!
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2016, 05:22:14 PM
We saw an intense-free load of rubbish, soccer with hands.
I thought it was more of a mixture of basketball and rugby.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Its Black, about time you men looked up what black card offense are
Think serious verbal abuse can be a red - racist etc.
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RTE seem to be biting back - they didn't show the presentation or Cavanagh's speech. Will be interesting to see if they show the Leinster presentation!
Nearly all the pundits stuck up for tyrone in the black card incidents and some other dodgy decisions by the ref. The directors and overlords of rte need to take action and have a word to make sure the pundits know to maintain their campaign of bias against Tyrone.
Pat Spillane thought Donnelly blatant.black card.
Oh well if we had ok known that ::)....you should have told us earlier to save any discussion on it
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
Feck sake lads,ye won.never worry about the anti tyrone myth you have built up in your heads,go out and enjoy the win.
Quote from: east down gael on July 17, 2016, 06:03:41 PM
Feck sake lads,ye won.never worry about the anti tyrone myth you have built up in your heads,go out and enjoy the win.
It's no myth.
The evidence builds and builds.
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Quote from: east down gael on July 17, 2016, 06:03:41 PM
Feck sake lads,ye won.never worry about the anti tyrone myth you have built up in your heads,go out and enjoy the win.
It's no myth.
The evidence builds and builds.
The love of a good woman might help, bomber.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
He didnt escape... he just wasn't wearing the right jersey
O'Rourke proclaimed he was the best referee in the country as well at half time ::)
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
He didnt escape... he just wasn't wearing the right jersey
O'Rourke proclaimed he was the best referee in the country as well at half time ::)
He's probably not even the best referee in his own house
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Quote from: red hander on July 17, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
He didnt escape... he just wasn't wearing the right jersey
O'Rourke proclaimed he was the best referee in the country as well at half time ::)
Think McConville did too. ;D
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
The real problem is that today epitomises the problems of football today. If it was only Tyrone and Donegal who played this way you could pass it off but it is most teams. The referees cannot be blamed for that.
I didn't mind the style of football played today, some shocking wides kicked which was balanced by some top class long range scores. The possession football was tolerable for me as Donegal were seeking openings while being wary of the counter. It reminded me of two heavy handed boxers with dodgy chins aware of their shortcomings.
I think Tyrone have a reasonable run until September and will take massive confidence from this but something still seems to be missing for me. Donegal still have some great players but are in definite decline, still dangerous though.
Getting the win was important thing for Tyrone today. It wasn't pretty but the boys stood up today and answered a lot of questions.
I'm sure it's already been said but it was unreal the many similarities today with the Tyrone v Derry 1995 game.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
And the push in the back on Ciaran Gillespie that may have been in the penalty area that wasn't punished?
Sean is raging against the dying of the light. What a brilliant last 20 minutes from the Moy man. Canavan would do that in the 90s. They say McGuigan would do it in the 70/80s. Add Sean Cavanagh to that list. I thought his performance was majestic when it mattered.
Monroe was a wrecking ball when he came on and it unsettled Donegal.
I'd need to see it again to work out what happened to McHugh tracking Harte in the second half. Who did they get to curtail McHugh? Was it Brennan?
McHugh's performance was brilliant in that first half - as good as Sean's second half.
The black cards.....on the side of harsh though Donnelly didn't protest too much and McShane did trip the Donegal lad (though it appears to be for the verbals).
Massive monkey off the back. Donnelly and McShane will be raring to make up for lost time from now on.
Quote from: J70 on July 17, 2016, 07:13:16 PM
And the push in the back on Ciaran Gillespie that may have been in the penalty area that wasn't punished?
Definite foul but just outside the box, Donegal had a few scorable frees that should have been given in the 3rd quarter of the game. Thompson should have been off and the black cards were harsh so it probably balances out. Coldrick is a poor ref.
Mighty win but a shite match. We didn't bring anything near our A game but still pulled through in the end. I know our play was pretty putrid but there can be no excuse for Donegal's approach in the second half. It was beyond belief that a team would choose to play so negatively and laterally move the ball across and back up the pitch ad nauseam, it was as if they were 5 points up with ten to play. At least when we got the ball we tried to move it into the danger area and finally had the balls to go for it in the last ten. If we had our shooting boots on at all we would have hammered them.
Won't even bother with the ref, we won so suck it up and move on.
If I was thinking fully rationally and you had have told me before the game that one team would hold a slender/semi comfortable lead for most of the game and the other team would reel them in and pinch it with a last quarter burst I would have had to say that the winning team would be Donegal. However, my heart (and prematch post!) Said Tyrone would win by three with fresh legs doing the business. So glad to get that monkey off our backs. Roll on Croker!!
Some experts on here saying tyrone should have come out and attacked. Talk about football suicide. When a team like kerry adopts a defensive approach against donegal in an all Ireland final then you know it's the only way. Hopefully donegal and their system won't have long left otherwise some rules have to be brought in as that was absolutely brutal to watch.
Game was never going to be a classic given the way Donegal play. I think Donegals style of football makes for a poor game the feature which surprised me most was that Donegal seemed to find it difficult to turnover Tyrone when the red hands attacked and if it were not for some very poor shot selection from Tyrone i think we could have been out the gate alot earlier than we were. But the cream always rises to the top cavanaghs 2 points and Pete Harte's monster at the end were worth the wait.
I said before the game that is this Donegal teams swan song. RIP.
By the way i must congratulate thon tube T Ferron on his insightfull footballing punditry you make take yourself off into a dark corner and hibernate untill well after September because the Red hands are on the way back to Croker
Tir Eoghain Abu
Three things I got from today: Rory Gallagher hasn't a clue, Gaelic football has become a horrible spectator sport and Sean Cavanagh is one of the greats of Ulster football... some career.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Nonsense. That is the donnelly incident you are describing. The murphy one was not like that at all. All the commentators said it too.
Well Tommy Carr said so, so that must be the final word! ;D
McCann released the ball and ran into Murphy's chest with his shoulder immediately after. Tell us, please, where was Murphy supposed to go?
Donnelly had more time to get out of his way than Murphy did, if we are going to quibble over fractions of seconds.
Just because the Donnelly one was harsh or unjust doesn't mean that Murphy deserved one.
Within the context of the match tho he had to be consistent and he wasnt
First Donegal foul of the match was one, and there was another in the 2nd by Thompson
Lets not forget Tyrone had a penalty too that wasnt given
And the push in the back on Ciaran Gillespie that may have been in the penalty area that wasn't punished?
Both penalty shouts were 50/50. To be fair to Coldrick he was letting those kind of tackles go from both sides in the second half.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
The real problem is that today epitomises the problems of football today. If it was only Tyrone and Donegal who played this way you could pass it off but it is most teams. The referees cannot be blamed for that.
Have a look at all of Tyrones other games this year. Pigeon holing them with all other defensive teams is very lazy. It was meeting fire with fire today. A battle bourne from familiarity and a bit of respect for what each had to offer. It was all about the win and expect Tyrone to resume the deep attacking system they've been bringing to the table all year when they hit Croker!
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
The real problem is that today epitomises the problems of football today. If it was only Tyrone and Donegal who played this way you could pass it off but it is most teams. The referees cannot be blamed for that.
In the last three Donegal games, we got a glimpse of the old days in the few seconds after the thrown-ins.
First day v Monaghan, Donegal win the throw in, its worked up to Rory Kavanagh and he slots it over before the Monaghan blanket is in place.
More explicit, however - start of the second half, Monaghan win the throw in, its bombed in on top of Conor McManus and Paddy McGrath, McManus wins it, slips out from under McGrath and sends over a spectacular point.
Second match - Murphy wins the throw in for the second half, bulldozes his way through to the 40, sends a diagonal ball in on front of McBrearty who is double-marked, McBrearty wins it heading left away from goal and slots it over. Exact same move at the start of the second half today.
Otherwise, neither McBrearty nor McManus hardly got another sniff of getting a ball they could move onto and have a pop.
Even if we'd won today, I would not be celebrating too much. That was utter shite.
Well done tyrone. Deserved winners. Some magnificent scores to win it.
Disappointing day for us obviously, particularly the contrast between our first and second half performances.
Massive score from Sean Cavanagh when the fat was in the fire.
What a player.
Remember people were up in arms at my accurate assertion that Murphy is nowhere near being the best player in Ireland?
He has been poor for quite a while now, little more than a set-piece taker these days.
Apologies accepted from all concerned.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
Massive score from Sean Cavanagh when the fat was in the fire.
What a player.
Totally agree... He'll be mentioned alongside the games greats in years to come and he is definitely Tyronie's best ever players.
"Sean Cavanagh was one of the best players ever, but . . . "
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
Massive score from Sean Cavanagh when the fat was in the fire.
What a player.
Totally agree... He'll be mentioned alongside the games greats in years to come and he is definitely Tyronie's best ever players.
"Sean Cavanagh was one of the best players ever, but . . . "
... there was this bitter begrudger from Derry tried to demean him
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
The real problem is that today epitomises the problems of football today. If it was only Tyrone and Donegal who played this way you could pass it off but it is most teams. The referees cannot be blamed for that.
Have a look at all of Tyrones other games this year. Pigeon holing them with all other defensive teams is very lazy. It was meeting fire with fire today. A battle bourne from familiarity and a bit of respect for what each had to offer. It was all about the win and expect Tyrone to resume the deep attacking system they've been bringing to the table all year when they hit Croker!
Wise up !!
Tyrone can only counter attack at pace if teams are stupid enough to push up when in possession and then more stupid enough to carry the ball into the tackle. Tyrone are very good at what they do. But how it looks totally depends on how smart/stupid the opposition are
Quote from: The Stallion on July 17, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
Remember people were up in arms at my accurate assertion that Murphy is nowhere near being the best player in Ireland?
He has been poor for quite a while now, little more than a set-piece taker these days.
Apologies accepted from all concerned.
All hail stallion who pretty much thinks everyone is rubbish and so can sometimes be right >:(
Thanks for the praise, but I'm just a regular guy who gets things wrong too.
Peace and love
Theodore Stallion
Surely Brennan has to start in the QF but at the expense of who?
Tyrone pushing up on the keeper in the second half, forcing the long kickout and winning it around the middle was huge. We snatched at many chances in the first, perhaps an indication of the pressure we were under to win this. Hopefully those shackles are thrown off for the rest of the championship. The subs are deadly.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Surely Brennan has to start in the QF but at the expense of who?
McNabb maybe even though he had a solid game today.
McCurry will be pushing hard too. Think I'd have Richie Donnelly in for McShane if he is back fit shortly, think he is a more polished player at this point in time.
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Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
Massive score from Sean Cavanagh when the fat was in the fire.
What a player.
Totally agree... He'll be mentioned alongside the games greats in years to come and he is definitely Tyronie's best ever players.
"Sean Cavanagh was one of the best players ever, but . . . "
but there was also Peter, Frank, and Ignatius, hard to choose
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 05:30:56 PM
Spot on bomber about the munroe shoulder. I think it might even have been the winnin of the game for us
A real Carmen handshake!
What a hit from the Carmen man... as good as Ive seen. Hard but fair... What more can we say about Sean the Captain.
Hard luck Donegal, not much between the teams at all to be fair. I have been critical before but I must say your supporters were class after the game.. Tyrone defence was class the best Ive seen in 8 years anyway. A win which felt like the 90s or 80s Ulster wins. There was an explosion of absolute joy after that game. Meant a lot..
Well done lads. Now go on and write your own chapter..
Donegal folk can have no complaints about the result. Unlike last year when they somehow contrived to lose to a mediocre Monaghan side, they were well beaten by a far superior Tyrone today. Hopefully that's the end of themselves, Monaghan and Armagh for a long time. Their "style" of football will not be missed at the business end of the championship.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Surely Brennan has to start in the QF but at the expense of who?
O'Neill?
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Surely Brennan has to start in the QF but at the expense of who?
Mccrory. He brings nothing to the table.
McGlynn was caught blind by that hit. Wasn't square on.
How the hell does ONeill start ahead of McCurry and what exactly is Mc Shane supposed to do. Impressed by Sludden!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 17, 2016, 08:32:46 PM
Donegal folk can have no complaints about the result. Unlike last year when they somehow contrived to lose to a mediocre Monaghan side, they were well beaten by a far superior Tyrone today. Hopefully that's the end of themselves, Monaghan and Armagh for a long time. Their "style" of football will not be missed at the business end of the championship.
Aye Bro, I'm sure that today killed off the big Armagh challenge. Although I know that your posts are rarely in good faith, at
the business end of the championship from 2011 on Donegal have come up with a dreadfully negative performance, a dull one, a routine one and two highly entertaining performances. As they'd say in baseball, they're batting .500.
Fair play to Tyrone today, they went and won the match when it was there to be won. They'd have won a replay handily enough, their supporters were very gracious winners offline and their star players shone when it mattered. I'd agree with the previous posters that Brennan probably deserves to start now, possibly at the expense of McNabb. Hopefully they can plow their way through to the final now, because there's something to this team.
McGlynn didnt see it coming but the pass from the donegal man left him open, thought it was a mighty hit, ref to tend to give the bone crunching tackles a free
Great point by Peter Harte at the death. He gave it some hoof.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Just talking with a Meath lad there (not jinxy ;) ), who was equally bemused with Coldrick's black cards -- he didn't have a good game, which is nothing new with that particular individual.
Good win, if not a great spectacle, though it takes two to play that game.
Anyway, onwards we march :)
The real problem is that today epitomises the problems of football today. If it was only Tyrone and Donegal who played this way you could pass it off but it is most teams. The referees cannot be blamed for that.
Have a look at all of Tyrones other games this year. Pigeon holing them with all other defensive teams is very lazy. It was meeting fire with fire today. A battle bourne from familiarity and a bit of respect for what each had to offer. It was all about the win and expect Tyrone to resume the deep attacking system they've been bringing to the table all year when they hit Croker!
Wise up !!
Tyrone can only counter attack at pace if teams are stupid enough to push up when in possession and then more stupid enough to carry the ball into the tackle. Tyrone are very good at what they do. But how it looks totally depends on how smart/stupid the opposition are
You have to push up when in possession. How else down you score? Donegal showed that today! They thought that they could kick enough from distance to win the game as there was very little gaps in the Tyrone defence. They stopped even trying to penetrate Tyrone's 45m line. Silly in the extreme from Gallagher. So without an attack to counter against, Tyrone still won the game. I'd be happy enough with that.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2016, 08:40:40 PM
McGlynn was caught blind by that hit. Wasn't square on.
How the hell does ONeill start ahead of McCurry and what exactly is Mc Shane supposed to do. Impressed by Sludden!
The hit on McGlynn was a foul but at the time the ref had decided not to give either team frees inside the 45. McGlynn was the one player on the Donegal team who could break the line for them and that hit ended Donegals chances.
Ronan mcnamee's nudge on mcfadden was also very important saved a one on one situation just as Donegal were up by a point.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
9 of the Donegal players who featured today were in the over 30 category.
I thought they looked a very tired team in the second half.
Can't outrun time.
Some summer for Peter Harte a sure all-star already. Mickey Harte is building another All Ireland winning team but not sure will it happen this summer. Donegal have uphill task to reach All Ireland quarter final and will likely go no further.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Donegal have some great minors to come through so they build up ahead of steam in the next 5 years or so, problem is, so do Kerry
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Just watched it again.....don't think Donnelly could do much more other than dive out of the way.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 08:56:43 PM
Donegal have some great minors to come through so they build up ahead of steam in the next 5 years or so, problem is, so do Kerry
Rory Gallagher mustn't have faith in the youngsters if he is still carting out Kavanagh, McFadden and Toye and throwing Thompson back in the mix after being substituted. Donegal were in the minor final today and also in 2014. I think they got to 3 U21 Ulster finals in a row. Where are all these fella's?
I didn't see either black card, but I felt coldrick let the hits go in and kept the game running. He may have missed the Donegal bc I believe but as for o Neills suggestion that Donnelly should have dived out of the road. He might have got a bc for that anyway. Michael Murphy has played a lot for a 26 year old. Needs a break...
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Just watched it again.....don't think Donnelly could do much more other than dive out of the way.
The ball was long gone.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Just watched it again.....don't think Donnelly could do much more other than dive out of the way.
Donnelly looked for the contact, definitely a black card. Thompson should have seen red but overall Tyrone got most of the 50/50 calls.
Quote from: lenny on July 17, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Just watched it again.....don't think Donnelly could do much more other than dive out of the way.
Donnelly looked for the contact, definitely a black card. Thompson should have seen red but overall Tyrone got most of the 50/50 calls.
Really? Another 'fact' then Lenny?
Rory Kavanagh gave a text book example of a back card foul and got a yellow.
Coldrick also let a clear kick go without taking action even though it was less than a few feet from him.
Terrible, terrible inconsistency.
Coldrick got Kavanagh's correct from what I saw. I'm not sure lads understand what a black card is.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2016, 08:56:43 PM
Donegal have some great minors to come through so they build up ahead of steam in the next 5 years or so, problem is, so do Kerry
Minors coming through you simply can't predict. U-21 a much better guide, e.g. Donegal v Dublin in Breffni 2010.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2016, 12:07:22 PM
How can this Tyrone team,after conceding five goals in two games against Cavan be considered to be in contention against Donegal? They have not met a first division team since last year and showed they have no bottle during the latter stages of the first game against Cavan,conceding easy goals and missing easy frees at the death.
Donegal by at least three, or more if they throw of the shackles and let big Murphy into the square where he should have a field day
Bottle of water....€1
Ticket for match....€30
Tony Fearon being completely wrong (again).....priceless
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2016, 09:26:50 PM
Coldrick got Kavanagh's correct from what I saw. I'm not sure lads understand what a black card is.
I'd agree I'm one of them.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 17, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
After seeing the Donnelly black card there for the first time from the television pictures?
A disgraceful decision, McHugh ran in a straight line into Donnelly after he released the ball when he had no need to. Donnelly did not change his direction or go out of his way to get him.
Also thought Rory Kavanagh committed the most blatant black card offence on half time and Anthony Thompson should have been off for a second yellow. Haven't seen these incidents again but they certainly looked the case from the stands. We were very badly hit by poor refereeing decisions once again today but the team showed huge character after a poor first half display and some really poor decisions against them.
Subs made a huge difference when they came in - Brennan, McGeary, McCurry with points, Monroe with a super shoulder. A log of questions answered again, three wins from here on in. I've thought we could do it from the start of the year and I still believe that way.
100% a black card.
Coldrick is the best ref in the country and he doesn't give them out lightly.
I'm feeling kind of well disposed towards Tyrone for once, so don't spoil it for me.
It was a shocking decision, McHugh jumped into Donnelly which is evident in the replay? Please explain to me how Donnelly should be black carded when the Donegal man jumped into him?
Just watched it again.....don't think Donnelly could do much more other than dive out of the way.
The ball was long gone.
AH now, you're talking about less than one second in real time.
Coldrick wasn't great today but to be fair to him the game has became almost impossible to referee.
Two game changing moments for me, Monroe's hit on McGlynn which I thought was a free and when Lacey was in for a point and floated a ball inside only for I think Cavanagh to manage to break the ball away and save a certain goal.
Cavanagh was immense in the second half but at times he hinders Tyrone by taking too much out of the ball. Brennan has to start.
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2016, 09:26:50 PM
Coldrick got Kavanagh's correct from what I saw. I'm not sure lads understand what a black card is.
Deliberately pull down an opponent = black card
Precisely what Kavanagh did.
Case closed.
Disappointing fare, both teams looked nervous for the first 60 odd minutes when Tyrone pushed up and found the post's. Whoever beats Tyrone will have to work bloody hard for it, Donegal won't be a push over either if the hunger is there for the qualifiers. They're more experienced player's don't have the legs though for that counter attacking style though. Interesting to see Dublin struggle with the tactic today, Westmeath had they're homework done, just didn't have the quality or bench to capitalise.
Thought Sludden was immense, is he related to Martin the referee ?
McShane was a definite black card.
Double hand-trip.
I didn't even notice his left hand before now.
McNiallais is some player.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:38:47 PM
McShane was a definite black card.
Double hand-trip.
I didn't even notice his left hand before now.
That's not what he got it for!
What was it for then?
Thankfully we didn't wilt in the White Heat of Clones today.Where's Tony Fearon at?Maybe away spending the money he won at the bookies ;D
Only half watched this as I was out visiting a friend, black cards looked ok to me. The kick from Thompson was a stonewall red. The shoulder from munroe was fair. Cavanagh's points were top notch.
Neither good enough to beat Dublin as it stands but if tyrone improve, they have a good shot at a final.
Why was Leo Mc Loon not brought on as past few matches ?. Bringing men on that have already been subbed doesn't look great.
What makes ye think it was verbals?
Sunday Game analysts reckon it was for a hand-trip.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
Aye, he was no where near any umpire, pure skitter.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
According to the BBC at half time who said they'd asked an official who said McShane got the card for what he said to the umpire!
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2016, 09:44:14 PM
Why was Leo Mc Loon not brought on as past few matches ?. Bringing men on that have already been subbed doesn't look great.
Cos hes crap
Nah seriously Rory couldn't identify which Tyrone player he needed to sucker punch
Sack the BBC man.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 17, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
Only half watched this as I was out visiting a friend, black cards looked ok to me. The kick from Thompson was a stonewall red. The shoulder from munroe was fair. Cavanagh's points were top notch.
Neither good enough to beat Dublin as it stands but if tyrone improve, they have a good shot at a final.
Tyrones route may involve playing the 2nd or third best team in the land over the last few years Mayo or a formidable cork and Westmeath team with potential to play Galway. I just hope we have the ambition to push on but we are happy with Ulster for the moment.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 17, 2016, 09:47:09 PM
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Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
Aye, he was no where near any umpire, pure skitter.
Verbals from the BBC more like
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2016, 09:44:14 PM
Why was Leo Mc Loon not brought on as past few matches ?. Bringing men on that have already been subbed doesn't look great.
Many people are wondering just what is going on with Leo.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 17, 2016, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
Aye, he was no where near any umpire, pure skitter.
Verbals from the BBC more like
I know, looking at McShane after the incident he was walking away from where the umpire was.
What was your gaago like j70? Mine was terrible skiping and jumpin all over the show
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on July 17, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
Remember people were up in arms at my accurate assertion that Murphy is nowhere near being the best player in Ireland?
He has been poor for quite a while now, little more than a set-piece taker these days.
Apologies accepted from all concerned.
All hail stallion who pretty much thinks everyone is rubbish and so can sometimes be right >:(
;D
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Quote from: red hander on July 17, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
He didnt escape... he just wasn't wearing the right jersey
O'Rourke proclaimed he was the best referee in the country as well at half time ::)
;D
You're usually so rational and logical Joe!
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 09:54:10 PM
What was your gaago like j70? Mine was terrible skiping and jumpin all over the show
Brutal.
Think it was the last free Murphy hit, he was beginning his run up and a split second later the shot of the Donegal sideline punching the air was being shown!
Like that all through, skipping forward and stalling.
Throw in a two-year old climbing all over me, and I missed one or two bits such as the incident with Anthony Thompson you're all moaning about. :P
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 17, 2016, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2016, 09:40:22 PM
What was it for then?
Verbals to the umpire
I think the verbals thing is a load of bollocks. McShane ran off.
Aye, he was no where near any umpire, pure skitter.
Verbals from the BBC more like
Boycott the BBC.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 06:10:09 PM
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Quote from: red hander on July 17, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 17, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
Think Thompson escaped because he pulled his hands away as he fell. Ref may have thought he slipped. He was very lucky.
He didnt escape... he just wasn't wearing the right jersey
O'Rourke proclaimed he was the best referee in the country as well at half time ::)
;D
You're usually so rational and logical Joe!
Surprisingly I am, however when it comes to football my rational always stems from the basis that Tyrone are the greatest football team and they can do no wrong ever! ;)
Gowan Tyrone!
Where's Ryan Bradley these days?
What way is all this Div 1 team going for yee's. Only Div 1 team unbeaten by lower ranked sides are Kerry and the Dubs.
Quote from: J70 on July 17, 2016, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 09:54:10 PM
What was your gaago like j70? Mine was terrible skiping and jumpin all over the show
Brutal.
Think it was the last free Murphy hit, he was beginning his run up and a split second later the shot of the Donegal sideline punching the air was being shown!
Like that all through, skipping forward and stalling.
Throw in a two-year old climbing all over me, and I missed one or two bits such as the incident with Anthony Thompson you're all moaning about. :P
Exact same thing for me on the Murphy free! that confirms it was them then and not the Provider
And the money ye fork out for it, Useless bastards!
Bring back Premium Sports!
Ye can watch it again now sure and you'll see the Thomspon tackle......we await your comments ;)
Quote from: Club Rossa on July 17, 2016, 09:41:46 PM
Thankfully we didn't wilt in the White Heat of Clones today.Where's Tony Fearon at?Maybe away spending the money he won at the bookies ;D
Can't believe we haven't heard the excuses from T Fearon yet.
Probably will spout some sh1te about backing Tyrone in the end up.
Murphy can be nullified. Last year Justy did it, this year McCarron. Cavanagh can't be nullified and he's been dining at the top table for 14 years. Cavanagh generally plays better in Croke Park than anywhere else. Tyrone and especially this team will be suited for Croke Park. They might not be at Dublin standard but they won't be far Away come September
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Quote from: J70 on July 17, 2016, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 17, 2016, 09:54:10 PM
What was your gaago like j70? Mine was terrible skiping and jumpin all over the show
Brutal.
Think it was the last free Murphy hit, he was beginning his run up and a split second later the shot of the Donegal sideline punching the air was being shown!
Like that all through, skipping forward and stalling.
Throw in a two-year old climbing all over me, and I missed one or two bits such as the incident with Anthony Thompson you're all moaning about. :P
Exact same thing for me on the Murphy free! that confirms it was them then and not the Provider
And the money ye fork out for it, Useless b**tards!
Bring back Premium Sports!
Ye can watch it again now sure and you'll see the Thomspon tackle......we await your comments ;)
;D
It will be a while before I watch that again. Football was bad enough without throwing in an injury time loss in a final!
What's the story with Murphy? For a young enough fella he looks banjaxed. That run at the start of the second half was as explosive as it got.
Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Jesus Tony how had they it won at half time. Dont talk shite
if you say so Tony... prediction king :o
Quote from: Hereiam on July 17, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
Jesus Tony how had they it won at half time. Dont talk shite
read his predictions for today... hasnt a clue ::)
I tried to warn you all about the bitterness and delusions of the Armagh folk.
The white heat of Croke Park in the Quarter Final win surely stop us Tony.
Might as well pack yer bags Tyrone and make do with the Ulster Championship.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Hardly matters? You said that Tyrone would wilt under the heat. They didn't.
You put money on Donegal. Glad you lost.
You don't have a clue what you are on about. Another characteristic of Willie Frazer. 😂😂😂
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Just seen the draw. Tyrone are in the AI final now. I'll be emigrating so.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 17, 2016, 10:44:55 PM
I tried to warn you all about the bitterness and delusions of the Armagh folk.
And we were warned too about generalising by those Dubs.
Donegal had the game won,but didn't press on and close it out.If Jimmy had been in the dug out.Apart from that it was a dire spectacle,reflecting the abysmal state of Ulster Football in general currently.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 11:08:25 PM
Donegal had the game won,but didn't press on and close it out.If Jimmy had been in the dug out.Apart from that it was a dire spectacle,reflecting the abysmal state of Ulster Football in general currently.
How much did you lose? 😳
Quote from: GJL on July 17, 2016, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 11:08:25 PM
Donegal had the game won,but didn't press on and close it out.If Jimmy had been in the dug out.Apart from that it was a dire spectacle,reflecting the abysmal state of Ulster Football in general currently.
How much did you lose? 😳
Must have been enough. He's been lurking all afternoon/evening without commenting. Must have stung.
White Heat-Tyrone won. Just like 2005 I'm CP when they stared Armagh in the eyes and they blinked.
Cavanagh-what a man!
I thought we would not see Tony on this thread again
Glad to haveyou back Tony, with you back on Tyrone glorious victory should break 50 pages now no problem.
Any word of Declan Bonner yet, he can't be taking this well?
Beardy umpire in the first half watched/listened to grief Neil Magee was given spoke to him regarding it and then he gets McShane sent off.
Winning today is far more than just an Ulster title.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 11:08:25 PM
Donegal had the game won,but didn't press on and close it out.If Jimmy had been in the dug out.Apart from that it was a dire spectacle,reflecting the abysmal state of Ulster Football in general currently.
How much did you lose? 😳
Must have been enough. He's been lurking all afternoon/evening without commenting. Must have stung.
White Heat-Tyrone won. Just like 2005 I'm CP when they stared Armagh in the eyes and they blinked.
Cavanagh-what a man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykDJ5D3w9I
Was it the first time umpires wore shirts and ties ???
Quote from: ashman on July 17, 2016, 11:48:12 PM
Was it the first time umpires wore shirts and ties ???
They always do, just usually a white coat over it
Sean Cavanagh. What an absolute and utter legend
Quote from: Gold on July 18, 2016, 12:40:41 AM
Sean Cavanagh. What an absolute and utter legend
+1.
I remember him in Mark. Park in 03 I think it was, going through the warm up for AI-u21 final. Maybe a week after winning senior and he was as focused as could be. He was already a huge player in Tyrone senior at that stage.
I don t think Tyrone has a young player of that stature. He was unreal today but a bit much to expect him to do that every day - and he will have to if Tyrone are going to win in last 4. That would be my doubt about Tyrone now. They will be set up well as always but if Harte and Sean Cavanagh are not exceptional, I'm not sure.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 10:39:33 PM
Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Hummus with a different team now. How'd they get on last week?
Ulster football is boring defensive shyte. Never thought this would happen to me but I switched over to the golf because this was brutal to watch as an observer.
I fear for the future of football after watching this load of crap.
Exactly.Two teams with the same crap sterile style.Brutal to watch
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 18, 2016, 05:59:45 AM
Ulster football is boring defensive shyte. Never thought this would happen to me but I switched over to the golf because this was brutal to watch as an observer.
I fear for the future of football after watching this load of crap.
Tbf, both Monaghan v Donegal games were pretty good and our games v Cavan were average (very good until we steamrolled away from them). However, I agree that yesterday's fare was putrid. We were very cagey in the 1st half but significantly upped the tempo in the second and committed more men forward and attempted to break the Doegal line and forged enough chances to win the game. On the other hand, Donegal went full on 2011 mode v Dublin in the second half. Over and back, over and back, rinse and repeat. Holy f**k that brutal, how frustrated must Murphy and McBrearty be in that team? How many direct balls of more than 25/30 metres were played into the full forward line? I genuinely can only remember one. Take away the excellent long range shooting from R McHugh and McNailis and Donegal were totally and utterly impotent. How many scores from play has Murphy got this year? Would be surprised if it's more than 5/6.
On a separate note, I couldn't get to the last two games due to the recent birth of my son so was forced to watch it on TV. Tommy Tom Tom Tom on RTE was insufferable so switched over to BBC. Thomas Kane and Marty Clarke were a better duo to listen to but holy fcuk I was ready to throw the TV out of the window with the television director continually and for ridiculously long time frames showing irrelevant close ups of managers, crowd and players. You can expect this with BBC camera work but today brought it to a whole new level.
It is incredibly frustrating when they just pan to mickey Harte or someone on the bench for ages while you can clearly hear something is happening in the game but they just won't show it. It used to be continual replays ruin it now it's that. Happened a lot yesterday.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 18, 2016, 05:59:45 AM
Ulster football is boring defensive shyte. Never thought this would happen to me but I switched over to the golf because this was brutal to watch as an observer.
I fear for the future of football after watching this load of crap.
So you missed a fairly exciting last 10 mins then. Sometimes sporting events don't have to be virtuoso displays of brilliance from both sides to be of interest. This was a battle of two local rivals, who know each other's style of play inside out but was eventually going to be won by the team that could marginally rise above the mire and produce a glorious moment or two to win the game. More fool you if you missed Cavanaghs three points and Peter Hartes glorious clincher. Not to mention a couple of long range efforts from Donegal in the second half that would grace any stage, MacNiallais' effort was just superb. If you appreciate competitive sport you would appreciate these moments. But then the golf was a thrill a minute I'm sure!
Spot on Omagh Gael - the amount of times i was screaming at the tv to just shows the f*****g match instead of shots of managers, fans, the grass growing! Thank god thats their input over for the year anyway in terms of camera work. In fairness I like their commentary team and their studio pundits far better than O'Rourke and Spillane who seem to spend half time offering their view on whether they are enjoying the match.
Also a word on Sean Cavanagh - quiet first half but if ever you can rely on a man to produce the good when needed he is that man. Felt sorry for Ronan O'Neill in there in the first half there was not a hope in hell he was going to have an impact in that game. I hope he starts in the quarter final though.
Quote from: square_ball on July 18, 2016, 09:27:18 AM
Spot on Omagh Gael - the amount of times i was screaming at the tv to just shows the f*****g match instead of shots of managers, fans, the grass growing! Thank god thats their input over for the year anyway in terms of camera work. In fairness I like their commentary team and their studio pundits far better than O'Rourke and Spillane who seem to spend half time offering their view on whether they are enjoying the match.
Also a word on Sean Cavanagh - quiet first half but if ever you can rely on a man to produce the good when needed he is that man. Felt sorry for Ronan O'Neill in there in the first half there was not a hope in hell he was going to have an impact in that game. I hope he starts in the quarter final though.
McCurry had a big impact when he came on so I would suspect O'Neill's place is in jeopardy.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 17, 2016, 02:28:59 PM
Is Sean Cavanagh still waiting in the car park in Garvaghey? He's certainly not in Clones.
It would have been handier for Tyrone if he had turned up.
Darren McCurry is bound to be chomping at the bit to get starting. He has shown very well in every game so far. To be fair, O'Neill and McAliskey had an impossible job yesterday.
Against teams like Donegal I think it's inevitable that you'll see teams play with no full forward line. Shane suggested last night that Brennan could start in place of R O'Neill and he might not have been far wrong.
I agree completely with what Benny and square_ball said.
The match was enthralling in my view with great scores from both sides.
I didn't notice Cavanagh in the first half but what a performance from him in the second. His point was incredible given the pressure he was under. I didn't realise he was 33.
The BBC camera work is beyond frustrating but probably worth it considering the commentators on RTE.
Its was tough for O'Neill yesterday as any time he made a move for the ball 3 Donegal players where with him but in saying that if it is'nt happening for you in one half of the game you should be able to adopt your style and make it happen, O'Neill didn't do this and that's why he was replaced. Maybe with the open space of croker he gets to show what he is well capable of doing.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
The clothes line on Bradley near the end should have been a straight red
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
Yes I do
Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
in this day and age Donnelly should've known what to expect, in my opinion he deliberately hit McHugh, had no intention of pulling out, and should've knew McHugh would've run on into him and milked it (though in fairness he actually didn't, he was injured)
on another matter what the hell is with this Donegal keeper???? He leapt about yesterday like he was shot, lay down curled up like he was crying for his mommy?? ffs its a contact sport, a mans game, grow a pair
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 18, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 18, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
in this day and age Donnelly should've known what to expect, in my opinion he deliberately hit McHugh, had no intention of pulling out, and should've knew McHugh would've run on into him and milked it (though in fairness he actually didn't, he was injured)
on another matter what the hell is with this Donegal keeper???? He leapt about yesterday like he was shot, lay down curled up like he was crying for his mommy?? ffs its a contact sport, a mans game, grow a pair
Donnelly clearly looked for the contact. Clear black card. It was surprising because Peter Donnelly seems to have got Tyrone much more disciplined in their tackling.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
in this day and age Donnelly should've known what to expect, in my opinion he deliberately hit McHugh, had no intention of pulling out, and should've knew McHugh would've run on into him and milked it (though in fairness he actually didn't, he was injured)
on another matter what the hell is with this Donegal keeper???? He leapt about yesterday like he was shot, lay down curled up like he was crying for his mommy?? ffs its a contact sport, a mans game, grow a pair
Donnelly clearly looked for the contact. Clear black card. It was surprising because Peter Donnelly seems to have got Tyrone much more disciplined in their tackling.
Donnelly was a stone wall black card. McHugh had given the pass and taken 2/3 steps before ho got taken out. Stupid and he could easily have avoided him.
QuoteExactly.Two teams with the same crap sterile style.Brutal to watch
Rich coming from an Armagh man most whose 'fans' won't even pay the entrance fee to watch the turgid spectacle McGeeney serves up. Jump onto the Tyrone bandwagon Tony, this team will be around for a while!! ;)
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
in this day and age Donnelly should've known what to expect, in my opinion he deliberately hit McHugh, had no intention of pulling out, and should've knew McHugh would've run on into him and milked it (though in fairness he actually didn't, he was injured)
on another matter what the hell is with this Donegal keeper???? He leapt about yesterday like he was shot, lay down curled up like he was crying for his mommy?? ffs its a contact sport, a mans game, grow a pair
He ran straight towards Donnelly and jumped into him. If you watch the incident again then you can see this quite clearly.
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Tyrone hard done by by ref. How was there no red card for kick on Cavanagh?
That clown Coldrick actually gave a yellow card for it, which defies logic, and then couple of seconds later Thompson committed a rugby tackle and he ignored it completely >:(
100% right, it happened right in front of me, ref seen it as did linesman.
Both black cards were legit, Brennans wasn't a penalty, thought Donegal had a shout for one when McCann ran into someone from behind. I also thought Kavanagh should've had a black for his tackle just before half time. Murphy treads a very fine line, pretty soon some ref has to stand up to him. Thought both Harte's and Cavanaghs points were pure class, as was Murphys free from distance.
You think Donnelly intentionally charged into McHugh?
What's worse than that is McHugh runs straight at him and jumps into him.
in this day and age Donnelly should've known what to expect, in my opinion he deliberately hit McHugh, had no intention of pulling out, and should've knew McHugh would've run on into him and milked it (though in fairness he actually didn't, he was injured)
on another matter what the hell is with this Donegal keeper???? He leapt about yesterday like he was shot, lay down curled up like he was crying for his mommy?? ffs its a contact sport, a mans game, grow a pair
Donnelly clearly looked for the contact. Clear black card. It was surprising because Peter Donnelly seems to have got Tyrone much more disciplined in their tackling.
Donnelly was a stone wall black card. McHugh had given the pass and taken 2/3 steps before ho got taken out. Stupid and he could easily have avoided him.
Two to three steps and a jump into Donnelly. Should Donnelly have jumped out of the way?
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Thought the ref was inconsistent with the black cards but Donnellys was deserved.
The most frustrating thing was Donegal style, they kept trying to draw the Tyrone players out and at one stage at the 60min mark they had the ball at the 21 and it was again returned to the halfway line but then Tyrone's zonal marking and counter attacking style led to this. It would have been some game if they went man to man, shackles off attacking football, not to be tho!
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Thought the ref was inconsistent with the black cards but Donnellys was deserved.
The most frustrating thing was Donegal style, they kept trying to draw the Tyrone players
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The sin bin was the way to go in my opinion, I don't understand why they strayed from something that has worked well elsewhere.
I can't make sense of those comments that say Donnelly tried to make contact. Donnelly approached a man in possession of the ball to tackle him. Can someone explain how, exactly, he could have avoided contact? If he jumped to one side (if possible at the speed he was going) then McHugh may have tried to go around him on that side and it would have looked like an intentional foul.
McHugh is the one that knew he was going to release the ball and was therefore in control of avoiding a collision. He decided not to, probably to win the free and probably to get his opponent black carded.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
The other reason why the sin bin was not brought in at the time the black card as introduced was that it would be next or near impossible to implement in a club match where there is only the one referee.
For example,
Player A sin binned on 15 mins.
Player B sin binned on 19 mins
Player A due back on pitch on 25 mins
Player C sin binned on 27 mins
Player B due back on pitch on 29 mins
Player c due back on pitch 7 mins into the second half
Every club match would require a second official to police the sin binned players!
So HQ felt that it wasn't right to have a different set of rules for club and county.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Totally agree. When Donegal went 4 up after half time yesterday they actually lost the game from there through impatience. Tyrone were behind but still kept 14 players inside their own 45 metre line. Donegal kept the ball several times outside the 45 for about 2 to 3 minutes patiently probing while tyrone stood their ground. When Donegal eventually took a chance and went inside the 45 they were overturned. The mistake they made was not just continuing to keep possession outside the 45 because Tyrone seem to be so programmed to keep their positions. I honestly think Donegal couldve kept the ball outside the tyrone for about 10-15 minutes with hardly a tackle on them and they could've run down the clock. It would've been brutal to watch but not much more brutal than what was already on show. Donegal of course set up in exactly the same fashion at the other end. Another thing I felt was significant yesterday was the breeze. Ryan mchugh was able to effortlessly kick 3 long range points first half but in the second Donegal had to try to work the ball inside the 45 which they struggled to do. The team who play with the breeze in the second half get a big advantage as they ususally get 40 to 42 minutes with the breeze while the first half team get 36 or 37 minutes. That was significant yesterday with the long range points in injury time for Tyrone.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Tyrone went and won the game when the chance came. Donegal were a point or two up and sat on the 45m line and played left and right and backwards apparently trying to run down the clock without attempting to break down the Tyrone defence. The onus is on the attacking team to break down the defence, Donegal didn't even appear to try in the second half. For me they were defending their lead which cost them the game. I felt Tyrone at least tried to attack in numbers when in possession, which it admittedly hard in the circumstances of a game like that. But obviously with Derry glasses on it will look different than with Tyrone ones on.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Tyrone went and won the game when the chance came. Donegal were a point or two up and sat on the 45m line and played left and right and backwards apparently trying to run down the clock without attempting to break down the Tyrone defence. The onus is on the attacking team to break down the defence, Donegal didn't even appear to try in the second half. For me they were defending their lead which cost them the game. I felt Tyrone at least tried to attack in numbers when in possession, which it admittedly hard in the circumstances of a game like that. But obviously with Derry glasses on it will look different than with Tyrone ones on.
Tyrone had 14 men behind the ball for the majority of the game... yes they attack with pace when the Donegal play breaks down (or as we say now they attack the transition) but that doesn't stray from the fact that the majority of the game they sat with 14 players behind the ball.
The craic will be when they do this against Dublin/Kerry should they come up against them. Derry did it a few years ago and got slated for it but it'll be back to the old "they only pick on Tyrone" adage when the Southern Media rightly slate Tyrone for it!
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Tyrone went and won the game when the chance came. Donegal were a point or two up and sat on the 45m line and played left and right and backwards apparently trying to run down the clock without attempting to break down the Tyrone defence. The onus is on the attacking team to break down the defence, Donegal didn't even appear to try in the second half. For me they were defending their lead which cost them the game. I felt Tyrone at least tried to attack in numbers when in possession, which it admittedly hard in the circumstances of a game like that. But obviously with Derry glasses on it will look different than with Tyrone ones on.
Tyrone had 14 men behind the ball for the majority of the game... yes they attack with pace when the Donegal play breaks down (or as we say now they attack the transition) but that doesn't stray from the fact that the majority of the game they sat with 14 players behind the ball.
The craic will be when they do this against Dublin/Kerry should they come up against them. Derry did it a few years ago and got slated for it but it'll be back to the old "they only pick on Tyrone" adage when the Southern Media rightly slate Tyrone for it!
Derry was a damaged limitation exercise against Dublin whereas Tyrone would use it to try and win...
For me Tyrone deserved the victory - Both teams retreated when not in possession but Tyrone showed some great direct attacking play when in possession whereas Donegal bored themselves to tears with sideways passing.
On another note did anyone else get caught in the crowd after the game behind the O'Duffy terrace - disgraceful that the Garda let that situation arise which could have been alot alot worse for them had someone collapsed in the squeeze and heat!
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Totally agree. When Donegal went 4 up after half time yesterday they actually lost the game from there through impatience. Tyrone were behind but still kept 14 players inside their own 45 metre line. Donegal kept the ball several times outside the 45 for about 2 to 3 minutes patiently probing while tyrone stood their ground. When Donegal eventually took a chance and went inside the 45 they were overturned. The mistake they made was not just continuing to keep possession outside the 45 because Tyrone seem to be so programmed to keep their positions. I honestly think Donegal couldve kept the ball outside the tyrone for about 10-15 minutes with hardly a tackle on them and they could've run down the clock. It would've been brutal to watch but not much more brutal than what was already on show. Donegal of course set up in exactly the same fashion at the other end. Another thing I felt was significant yesterday was the breeze. Ryan mchugh was able to effortlessly kick 3 long range points first half but in the second Donegal had to try to work the ball inside the 45 which they struggled to do. The team who play with the breeze in the second half get a big advantage as they ususally get 40 to 42 minutes with the breeze while the first half team get 36 or 37 minutes. That was significant yesterday with the long range points in injury time for Tyrone.
I don't think Donegal lacked patience in the 2nd half, it was more that Tyrone changed their game and made it harder work for Donegal to do what they did in the first half. The main factors were Sean C was moved up to bolster midfield and Tyrone pushed up a few meters and pressed Donegal harder
There is no way anybody but Donnelly knows if he did what he did intentionally or not. For people on here to say he definitely did or didn't is tripe. The referee also can't be 100% which in itself should not result in the issuance of the card. I don't see how Donnelly would intentionally through himself into a man in a position (star) that left him so vulnerable to a serious injury.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Tyrone went and won the game when the chance came. Donegal were a point or two up and sat on the 45m line and played left and right and backwards apparently trying to run down the clock without attempting to break down the Tyrone defence. The onus is on the attacking team to break down the defence, Donegal didn't even appear to try in the second half. For me they were defending their lead which cost them the game. I felt Tyrone at least tried to attack in numbers when in possession, which it admittedly hard in the circumstances of a game like that. But obviously with Derry glasses on it will look different than with Tyrone ones on.
Tyrone had 14 men behind the ball for the majority of the game... yes they attack with pace when the Donegal play breaks down (or as we say now they attack the transition) but that doesn't stray from the fact that the majority of the game they sat with 14 players behind the ball.
The craic will be when they do this against Dublin/Kerry should they come up against them. Derry did it a few years ago and got slated for it but it'll be back to the old "they only pick on Tyrone" adage when the Southern Media rightly slate Tyrone for it!
I think you should see a counsellor, pal. This can't be good for you.
That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
For people watching Donegal games on TV but never in person it's hard to really fathom how difficult it is to beat their system of play. Tyrone have failed over the past 5 years but you have to resort to similar tactics otherwise you get stripped of the ball and they catch you on the break. Even Dublin and Kerry struggle with it. It's too easy to say Tyrone were as bad as Donegal were.
Did anyone think the national anthem singer sounded strange yesterday? Was she just nervous perhaps?
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For people watching Donegal games on TV but never in person it's hard to really fathom how difficult it is to beat their system of play. Tyrone have failed over the past 5 years but you have to resort to similar tactics otherwise you get stripped of the ball and they catch you on the break. Even Dublin and Kerry struggle with it. It's too easy to say Tyrone were as bad as Donegal were.
Did anyone think the national anthem singer sounded strange yesterday? Was she just nervous perhaps?
She was from Derry, nervous about a Tyrone wins perhaps.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2016, 12:59:20 PM
There is no way anybody but Donnelly knows if he did what he did intentionally or not. For people on here to say he definitely did or didn't is tripe. The referee also can't be 100% which in itself should not result in the issuance of the card. I don't see how Donnelly would intentionally through himself into a man in a position (star) that left him so vulnerable to a serious injury.
By that logic, half the decisions referees make shouldn't be made at all! All kinds of stuff should be just let go.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Totally agree. When Donegal went 4 up after half time yesterday they actually lost the game from there through impatience. Tyrone were behind but still kept 14 players inside their own 45 metre line. Donegal kept the ball several times outside the 45 for about 2 to 3 minutes patiently probing while tyrone stood their ground. When Donegal eventually took a chance and went inside the 45 they were overturned. The mistake they made was not just continuing to keep possession outside the 45 because Tyrone seem to be so programmed to keep their positions. I honestly think Donegal couldve kept the ball outside the tyrone for about 10-15 minutes with hardly a tackle on them and they could've run down the clock. It would've been brutal to watch but not much more brutal than what was already on show. Donegal of course set up in exactly the same fashion at the other end. Another thing I felt was significant yesterday was the breeze. Ryan mchugh was able to effortlessly kick 3 long range points first half but in the second Donegal had to try to work the ball inside the 45 which they struggled to do. The team who play with the breeze in the second half get a big advantage as they ususally get 40 to 42 minutes with the breeze while the first half team get 36 or 37 minutes. That was significant yesterday with the long range points in injury time for Tyrone.
I don't think Donegal lacked patience in the 2nd half, it was more that Tyrone changed their game and made it harder work for Donegal to do what they did in the first half. The main factors were Sean C was moved up to bolster midfield and Tyrone pushed up a few meters and pressed Donegal harder
On tv it didn't look like tyrone changed their tactics. They defended their 45m line like in the first half. The difference was the breeze. Donegal had several opportunities in the second half to score from the same sort of range they were scoring from first half but didn't take the shots on. That was because of the breeze. Likewise Tyrone were able to score long range points in the second half that they couldn't have done in the first. I think Tyrone would have had to change their tactics if Donegal had done 5 or 6 points up. As it was Donegal only kept the 4 point lead for a minute or 2.
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For me Tyrone deserved the victory - Both teams retreated when not in possession but Tyrone showed some great direct attacking play when in possession whereas Donegal bored themselves to tears with sideways passing.
On another note did anyone else get caught in the crowd after the game behind the O'Duffy terrace - disgraceful that the Garda let that situation arise which could have been alot alot worse for them had someone collapsed in the squeeze and heat!
Yeah that could have been very dangerous and only for the crowd being very patient, could have ended up in a bad crush. It seemed to be very badly handled by the guards.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2016, 01:05:55 PM
That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
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There is no way anybody but Donnelly knows if he did what he did intentionally or not. For people on here to say he definitely did or didn't is tripe. The referee also can't be 100% which in itself should not result in the issuance of the card. I don't see how Donnelly would intentionally through himself into a man in a position (star) that left him so vulnerable to a serious injury.
By that logic, half the decisions referees make shouldn't be made at all! All kinds of stuff should be just let go.
Yes, they should. IMO if a referee doesn't know if it's a foul or not then he shouldn't blow as making a mistake because you were unsighted is understandable, making one because you guessed wrong is not.
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Quote from: longballin on July 18, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
Derry was a damaged limitation exercise against Dublin whereas Tyrone would use it to try and win...
Yeah. . . keep telling yourself that!
There isn't a team on Dublin's level or close to it at the minute!
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There is no way anybody but Donnelly knows if he did what he did intentionally or not. For people on here to say he definitely did or didn't is tripe. The referee also can't be 100% which in itself should not result in the issuance of the card. I don't see how Donnelly would intentionally through himself into a man in a position (star) that left him so vulnerable to a serious injury.
By that logic, half the decisions referees make shouldn't be made at all! All kinds of stuff should be just let go.
Yes, they should. IMO if a referee doesn't know if it's a foul or not then he shouldn't blow as making a mistake because you were unsighted is understandable, making one because you guessed wrong is not.
Without digging out the rule book am I right in thinking "intention" is specifically mentioned in the rule? If so the ref is in no win situation. It's like the"deliberate" criteria for handball in soccerball and impossible to be definitive on.
I would like to see the sin bin introduced as I think it would work well. Problem is enforcing it at club or youth level. Hard enough to get one ref at some club games and I dint think the gaa wants to create a two tier system.
Hard to argue with this . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-its-sad-to-watch-desecration-of-our-once-great-game-called-gaelic-football-34891368.html
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There is no way anybody but Donnelly knows if he did what he did intentionally or not. For people on here to say he definitely did or didn't is tripe. The referee also can't be 100% which in itself should not result in the issuance of the card. I don't see how Donnelly would intentionally through himself into a man in a position (star) that left him so vulnerable to a serious injury.
By that logic, half the decisions referees make shouldn't be made at all! All kinds of stuff should be just let go.
Yes, they should. IMO if a referee doesn't know if it's a foul or not then he shouldn't blow as making a mistake because you were unsighted is understandable, making one because you guessed wrong is not.
Without digging out the rule book am I right in thinking "intention" is specifically mentioned in the rule? If so the ref is in no win situation. It's like the"deliberate" criteria for handball in soccerball and impossible to be definitive on.
I would like to see the sin bin introduced as I think it would work well. Problem is enforcing it at club or youth level. Hard enough to get one ref at some club games and I dint think the gaa wants to create a two tier system.
I think it's to deliberately pull down a guy, so if you attempted to tackle a guy but fouled him it shouldn't be a black, likewise if your momentum brought you into contact with an opponent and you couldn't reasonably avoid it then it shouldn't be a black. I thought Donnolly's momentum brought him into contact with McHugh and barring him diving out of the way like a man avoiding a car he couldn't have got out of the way.
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Hard to argue with this . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eugene-mcgee-its-sad-to-watch-desecration-of-our-once-great-game-called-gaelic-football-34891368.html
Accurate up to a point. Yes, Donegal always play that way but he seems to think Tyrone have been playing diferently and adapted their tactics just for yesterday. Tyrone will play exactly the same way in croke park. it can be exciting but only if one team attacks and leaves gaps. When 2 teams adopt the same tactics like yesterday it's just like watching basketball and I hate basketball.
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Right, but the Donnelly one WAS a case of a collision right after McHugh had released the ball. As was the one where Murphy and McCann collided in the second half, albeit Murphy had even less time to avoid it.
Where do you draw the line?
Is it a case of where the defender alters his run to block the attacker from going around him? Its not always so clear cut, especially with one look in real time. The defender could claim his altered his direction or twisted his body to protect himself from the oncoming attacker, not to block the run. IF deliberation is a factor...
Some stats from Dont Foul
QuoteCombined Murphy & McBrearty had two shots from play in the entire match.
QuoteMcBrearty
Harte
S Cavanagh
None of them managed a shot from play in the 1st half
Quote15 mins into Donegal -Tyrone; shots from play
short wide wide wide wide wide wide wide point short blocked wide point
QuoteIts not all about volume but Tyrone had 16 shots in the second half compared to Donegal's 6. 14 from play
QuoteGame of two halves. Tyrone's shooting was abysmal 1st half (4 from 17 - 24%); Donegal's non existent in the 2nd
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnoRtOHWAAAR20K.jpg)
QuoteA lot here but look at how flat Donegal's lines are in the 2nd half. 2 shots in 30 minutes will do that
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnoZhdhWgAA0wr1.jpg)
Some highlights of the game here.
https://youtu.be/5ZEagqZICqA
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Right, but the Donnelly one WAS a case of a collision right after McHugh had released the ball. As was the one where Murphy and McCann collided in the second half, albeit Murphy had even less time to avoid it.
Where do you draw the line?
Is it a case of where the defender alters his run to block the attacker from going around him? Its not always so clear cut, especially with one look in real time. The defender could claim his altered his direction or twisted his body to protect himself from the oncoming attacker, not to block the run. IF deliberation is a factor...
My first impression was that Donnelly didn't do enough to take the sharp end of his elbow out of harm's way and that's what the ref saw. It wasn't just a mere collision/coming together, the sharp end of his elbow smashed into the McHugh's face.
On the rules, if a ref was to follow the letter of each rule, the game would be poxed rotten. Ref's have to interpret and interpret in the blink of an eye. they have to interpret what a black card tirade is as apposed to a player venting a bit of frustration.
Intent is also an interpretation not unlike the question of deliberate hand ball in the penalty area in soccer. There are written and unwritten criteria that soccer ref's can use to determine whether a handball is deliberate and one such criteria is that an outstretched hand in an unnatural position, making contact with the ball is a penalty offense, whether it is deliberate or not.
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Donnelly definitely could have avoided contact lads. He took at least one extra step into McHugh. The hands went out to make it look as though it wasn't nasty - though he isn't that kinda player in fairness. More a letting him know he was there.
I still cant get my head around why a proper sin bin isn't in place for something like that.
I agree about the sin bin. A lad shouldn't be having to leave the play for the rest of the match. for an incident like that. Refs might be more inclined to be more consistent with the black card if it only incurred a 10min cooling off period for the player. After two black cards a ref doesn't want to give anymore in fear of destroying the game. The cop out yellow could then be avoided. As it stands the black card is not fit for purpose and is a controversial point in nearly every big game!
Why have we not introduced a sin bin?? Fear of copying rugby and doing it our way mentality??
It was brought in years ago (maybe early noughties) for the league in Hurling and Football and resulted in teams playing 12 v 13, 10 v 12 at times.
Cody, Harte, Boylan and a host of managers were against it and then it got dropped in favour of the player getting substituted or the black card as we now know it... the irony is that a sin bin would work really well in todays game and actually improve it from what I can see it would increase the space available and hopefully make things more open rather than the dross we witnessed yesterday.
I don't for the life of me know how Donegal are getting slated for their approach to the game yesterday when Tyrone's was every bit as reprehensible!
Totally agree. When Donegal went 4 up after half time yesterday they actually lost the game from there through impatience. Tyrone were behind but still kept 14 players inside their own 45 metre line. Donegal kept the ball several times outside the 45 for about 2 to 3 minutes patiently probing while tyrone stood their ground. When Donegal eventually took a chance and went inside the 45 they were overturned. The mistake they made was not just continuing to keep possession outside the 45 because Tyrone seem to be so programmed to keep their positions. I honestly think Donegal couldve kept the ball outside the tyrone for about 10-15 minutes with hardly a tackle on them and they could've run down the clock. It would've been brutal to watch but not much more brutal than what was already on show. Donegal of course set up in exactly the same fashion at the other end. Another thing I felt was significant yesterday was the breeze. Ryan mchugh was able to effortlessly kick 3 long range points first half but in the second Donegal had to try to work the ball inside the 45 which they struggled to do. The team who play with the breeze in the second half get a big advantage as they ususally get 40 to 42 minutes with the breeze while the first half team get 36 or 37 minutes. That was significant yesterday with the long range points in injury time for Tyrone.
I don't think Donegal lacked patience in the 2nd half, it was more that Tyrone changed their game and made it harder work for Donegal to do what they did in the first half. The main factors were Sean C was moved up to bolster midfield and Tyrone pushed up a few meters and pressed Donegal harder
On tv it didn't look like tyrone changed their tactics. They defended their 45m line like in the first half. The difference was the breeze. Donegal had several opportunities in the second half to score from the same sort of range they were scoring from first half but didn't take the shots on. That was because of the breeze. Likewise Tyrone were able to score long range points in the second half that they couldn't have done in the first. I think Tyrone would have had to change their tactics if Donegal had done 5 or 6 points up. As it was Donegal only kept the 4 point lead for a minute or 2.
Sean Cavanagh was moved to midfield and this had a visible effect which also changed the nature of the game, Tyrone got 4 or 5 points in a row I think.
And on a number of occasion Tyrone harried the Donegal "advance" around midfield, other times they sat back with menace on their 45.
Are the highlights online anywhere?
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Are the highlights online anywhere?
Championship would be on iplayer... do yourself a favour and watch the last 10 minutes only you'll not be able to keep your eyes open for the first 60!
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Right, but the Donnelly one WAS a case of a collision right after McHugh had released the ball. As was the one where Murphy and McCann collided in the second half, albeit Murphy had even less time to avoid it.
Where do you draw the line?
Is it a case of where the defender alters his run to block the attacker from going around him? Its not always so clear cut, especially with one look in real time. The defender could claim his altered his direction or twisted his body to protect himself from the oncoming attacker, not to block the run. IF deliberation is a factor...
It must be deliberate J70 and for me the ref must be sure to issue the black card. He couldn't have been sure about Donnelly so he shouldn't have issued the card. I think the way both me went to ground probably was a factor in that it was quite a big collision and as far as I know it was the linesman who made Coldrick aware that it might have merited a black card. Most rules in the GAA are open to interpretation and while this leads to inconsistencies it also allows a good referee the scope to use a bit of common sense. I didn't notice Donnelly change his line of movement to block McHugh and he didn't turn his shoulder into McHugh either so for me, it wasn't a black card.
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Right, but the Donnelly one WAS a case of a collision right after McHugh had released the ball. As was the one where Murphy and McCann collided in the second half, albeit Murphy had even less time to avoid it.
Where do you draw the line?
Is it a case of where the defender alters his run to block the attacker from going around him? Its not always so clear cut, especially with one look in real time. The defender could claim his altered his direction or twisted his body to protect himself from the oncoming attacker, not to block the run. IF deliberation is a factor...
It must be deliberate J70 and for me the ref must be sure to issue the black card. He couldn't have been sure about Donnelly so he shouldn't have issued the card. I think the way both me went to ground probably was a factor in that it was quite a big collision and as far as I know it was the linesman who made Coldrick aware that it might have merited a black card. Most rules in the GAA are open to interpretation and while this leads to inconsistencies it also allows a good referee the scope to use a bit of common sense. I didn't notice Donnelly change his line of movement to block McHugh and he didn't turn his shoulder into McHugh either so for me, it wasn't a black card.
If Donnellys intention was to block the run he would have instinctively done one of 2 things.
1. Put his hands out in front to protect himself
2. Turned his shoulder into him again protecting himself
He did neither and was off the ground trying to block the pass with his hands up. Never a black card although i can see why it was given and the ref had a replay decision would have been different as the block was not deliberate.
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That's why it's not a black card for me. I didn't see anything that would suggest it was deliberate, it might have been but unless you're 100% sure then you can't issue a card that ends a man's game.
In that case, the "late" tackle which occurs right after the release of the ball needs to be taken out of the list of offenses for black cards. Because how is anyone ever going to know someone's intent for sure? If intent, no matter how briefly considered, is the issue, and not the action.
I don't think there's any mention of 'right after the release' in the rules so I don't see why it should be taken out. For all the giving out about the black card it has been very successful if removing from the game the blatant taking out of the man after he passes and goes to get a return.
Right, but the Donnelly one WAS a case of a collision right after McHugh had released the ball. As was the one where Murphy and McCann collided in the second half, albeit Murphy had even less time to avoid it.
Where do you draw the line?
Is it a case of where the defender alters his run to block the attacker from going around him? Its not always so clear cut, especially with one look in real time. The defender could claim his altered his direction or twisted his body to protect himself from the oncoming attacker, not to block the run. IF deliberation is a factor...
It must be deliberate J70 and for me the ref must be sure to issue the black card. He couldn't have been sure about Donnelly so he shouldn't have issued the card. I think the way both me went to ground probably was a factor in that it was quite a big collision and as far as I know it was the linesman who made Coldrick aware that it might have merited a black card. Most rules in the GAA are open to interpretation and while this leads to inconsistencies it also allows a good referee the scope to use a bit of common sense. I didn't notice Donnelly change his line of movement to block McHugh and he didn't turn his shoulder into McHugh either so for me, it wasn't a black card.
If Donnellys intention was to block the run he would have instinctively done one of 2 things.
1. Put his hands out in front to protect himself
2. Turned his shoulder into him again protecting himself
He did neither and was off the ground trying to block the pass with his hands up. Never a black card although i can see why it was given and the ref had a replay decision would have been different as the block was not deliberate.
If the roles had of been reversed Mathew donnelly would still have got a black card the same way Conor Meyler did against Monaghan
Rather than complaining about it I'd like to thank the young Donegal player who banged into sean Cavanagh (from behind) as sean ran to his position at the start of the second half. Sean classy as he is gave the perfect response.
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Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Hummus with a different team now. How'd they get on last week?
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Have Derry featured in an Ulster SFC final since the Internet became available? ;D ;D
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Possibly the worst Ulster Final of the worst Ulster Championship in history.Donegal had the game won at half time and controlled the second half,but would not press home the advantage. Had Jimmy been in charge there's no way that they would have lost that.
Hardly matters,as neither of the two will get past the quarter finals anyway
Hummus with a different team now. How'd they get on last week?
The Nostradamus of Armagh ... can you give me a set of numbers for the EuroMillions so I can studiously avoid using them every week ::)
That game was so shite I wouldnt even object to a hard border preventing access to Clones
Quote from: T Fearon on July 18, 2016, 11:22:11 PM
That game was so shite I would even object to a hard border preventing access to Clones
You should have switched over to the golf to see how the other half of your double was getting on.
Have to say the match at times was hard watch but that atmosphere at the end was unreal, the noise around the place was as loud as i've ever heard in Clones.
You should have been there the day Armagh ended 17 years of hurt in 1999
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You should have been there the day Armagh ended 17 years of hurt in 1999
Just think of the noise when you next win it in 2050.
I watched the game again last night on BBC as had it recorded and despite having watched the Mattie black card incident several times I still can decide myself whether it should have been black or not.
Coldrick was quite close by when it happened and didn't even blow for a free when it happened. It seemed to be Gough the linesman (who did so well in our game v Cavan) who made the call and I'd say the blood wound on McHugh probably added to the cause. Whilst Mattie is not a dirty player, he does tend to like to use his body strength to hit hard and take a tackle even when he doesn't need to. For me I felt he saw McHugh coming straight at him and knowing he was bigger and more solid thought for a split second I'm not getting out of the way here and allowed McHugh's momentum to crash into him as he's a lot smaller than Mattie. Who knows for sure but that was my take on the incident. In slow motion Mattie's arm seems to come out a bit and I think that's what maybe caused the wound. To me I think it should have been yellow as it could have been dangerous play.
McShane's one was also strange as it definitely appeared to be for a hand trip on the defender. He should have got the ball into his possession earlier but maybe there was a small push but hard to say. He clearly touches the defenders foot/shin but it was minimal contact but the defender then (was it Eamon McGee) made the most of it.
Despite what the BBC commentator said, there didn't appear to be any conversation between McShane and the umpire whatsoever whoever you would imagine there was sledging between him and the Donegal players as usual.
Anyway, on another note. Whilst delighted we finally beat this Donegal team and the horrible style of football they make you play to try to match them, I can't help but think of players like Murphy, McBrearty and the McHughs among others. They have benefited in some ways from what their system gave them a few years back but these talented players must be fed up to the back teeth playing like this. Murphy in particular should be one of the top players every year in Ireland yet his career is being wasted in my eyes by the system they play. If he played for Dublin or Kerry or even Mayo he would be a superstar I think as kicking and fielding skills alone are amazing. However most games he plays in, he is suffocated from the start and rarely gets decent ball into an area of space or with teammates around him for support. I think Donegal find themselves now almost under pressure to play this style of game now rather than mixing it up a bit. I can understand some teams playing it against awesome forward lines like Dublin where they can get roasted but Donegal have good forwards themselves if they would play to their strengths sometimes and stop being so fearful.
How do you Donegal fans feel? Would you not rather take the chance and see how ye fair playing a more open expansive game?
I was in the oduffy, near the wire to the right of the goal. Had perfect view of mcshane incident. In real time i thought it was a black card. It looked like a frustrated petulant attempted hand trip to stop the donegal player
there was no conversation between the lino and mcshane. When coldrick called for mcshane i knew it was a black card.
I said at the start of the year that Tyrone were the only team capable of beating Dublin and I am now more convinced than ever that this is the case. It wasn't a pretty victory over Donegal but they produced the goods when it mattered in the closing stages. Tyrone have so much pace in their side that I think they will suit Croke Park more than other sides and their bench is now rivalled only by the Dubs. They are now in the soft side of the draw and will avoid the Dubs and Kerry (3rd best team imo) therefore will only have to defeat one of these sides to win an AI title. The stars are aligning for them as the Dubs missing players from last year will eventually take its toll and Tyrone will defeat Dublin in the AI final.
Has there been official word that McShane got the card for verbals or is everybody just going on what a commentator said? When you see the incident again, there is a case for a penalty for McShane as he is pushed to the ground and as for the him using the hand, I would say he was more concerned about the opposition players foot coming down on his body hence why he pushed the trailing leg away.
Yellowcard, ignore mayo at ur peril. Diarmuid oconnor is looking a class act alongside his brother Cillian. In Evan regan they have another classy forward. If u recall with the management change happening so late they were in dissaray with their preparations and behind schedule.
back door route has given them gametime and momentum. For once they have numerous scoring options and they have been proven defensively sound in recent years.
mayo will give tyrone their fill of it on august 6th.
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Yellowcard, ignore mayo at ur peril. Diarmuid oconnor is looking a class act alongside his brother Cillian. In Evan regan they have another classy forward. If u recall with the management change happening so late they were in dissaray with their preparations and behind schedule.
back door route has given them gametime and momentum. For once they have numerous scoring options and they have been proven defensively sound in recent years.
mayo will give tyrone their fill of it on august 6th.
Mayo are a side going in a different direction than Tyrone. They are on the wane whilst Tyrone are improving all the time and I really don't see Mayo doing anything of note. They will beat Westmeath but will come a cropper in the AI quarter final no matter who the opponent. You can't just turn on form like a tap and Mayo have been consistently mediocre all season. I would see Galway as a bigger threat for Tyrone on that side of the draw though I think Tyrone would still have too much for them in a potential semi final. With McCarthy now out for the season as well, I'm beginning to think that Kerry and Dublin will be a lot closer than I originally thought as well.
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I was in the oduffy, near the wire to the right of the goal. Had perfect view of mcshane incident. In real time i thought it was a black card. It looked like a frustrated petulant attempted hand trip to stop the donegal player
there was no conversation between the lino and mcshane. When coldrick called for mcshane i knew it was a black card.
Because you know the rules!!!
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I was in the oduffy, near the wire to the right of the goal. Had perfect view of mcshane incident. In real time i thought it was a black card. It looked like a frustrated petulant attempted hand trip to stop the donegal player
there was no conversation between the lino and mcshane. When coldrick called for mcshane i knew it was a black card.
Because you know the rules!!!
Deliberate trip is a black card no?
Yes, I'm not being smart. You know that a deliberate trip is a black card. A lot of people don't know what is/isn't a black card offence.
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Yes, I'm not being smart. You know that a deliberate trip is a black card. A lot of people don't know what is/isn't a black card offence.
I thought it was for cynical play. There was nothing cynical about it in that position at that time. If he did attempt to trip him then it was just a stupid foul.
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Accurate up to a point. Yes, Donegal always play that way but he seems to think Tyrone have been playing diferently and adapted their tactics just for yesterday. Tyrone will play exactly the same way in croke park. it can be exciting but only if one team attacks and leaves gaps. When 2 teams adopt the same tactics like yesterday it's just like watching basketball and I hate basketball.
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Yes, I'm not being smart. You know that a deliberate trip is a black card. A lot of people don't know what is/isn't a black card offence.
I thought it was for cynical play. There was nothing cynical about it in that position at that time. If he did attempt to trip him then it was just a stupid foul.
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
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I was. Haven't seen so many Armagh men cry since 1984.
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Yes, I'm not being smart. You know that a deliberate trip is a black card. A lot of people don't know what is/isn't a black card offence.
I thought it was for cynical play. There was nothing cynical about it in that position at that time. If he did attempt to trip him then it was just a stupid foul.
Category II
Being ordered off for a Cynical Behavior
Infraction (in Football)
(i) Deliberately pulling down an opponent.
(ii) Deliberately tripping an opponent with the
hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
(iii) Deliberately body colliding with an opponent
after he has played the ball away or for the
purpose of taking him out of a movement of
play.
(iv) Threatening or using abusive or provocative
language or gestures to an opponent or a
team-mate.
(v) Remonstrating in an aggressive manner with
a Match Official.
Surely this should be a red anyway. Can't see why it's deemed a black.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 19, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
Has there been official word that McShane got the card for verbals or is everybody just going on what a commentator said? When you see the incident again, there is a case for a penalty for McShane as he is pushed to the ground and as for the him using the hand, I would say he was more concerned about the opposition players foot coming down on his body hence why he pushed the trailing leg away.
This is exactly what happened.
When the refund called him over he made the triping with the hand motion. The BBC story was incorrect.
By the letter of the law that's a black. It didn't even look like he said anything to the umpire. I really don't think there's any case for a penalty...
On the letter of the law by his interpretation Coldrick was right on the two black cards. If he interpreted Donnelly checked McHugh then he had to give him a black. Where the problem is, and he went wrong, was that Murphy's was pretty much exactly the same (if not worse) than donnelly's and then there was Kavanagh's too. (Rory not misspelt Sean).
Yes by letter of law it is right. I can see how the ref thought it a trip.
In saying that surely the ref can allow some room when the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Applying a black and white approach to the rule is counterproductive.
The ref should apply the spirit of the rule in cases of discipline.
McGee was ambling over the top of him. He was putting his hand up to protect himself.
The refund was looking at it and if he thought it was a bc he should've gave it. Instead the umpire called him to it.
Jim McGuinness says Donegal fell into same trap as they did in last year's Ulster Final when the lost to Monaghan.Monaghan were defeated in last year's AI Quarter Final as will Tyrone in this year's.
yep I would agree. it was more petulant than cynical and really nothing in it but if you ask a refs committee or coldrick himself I would guess he would say he did the right thing.
I think it's the law is more of an ass than the enforcer of it to be honest.
where Coldrick falls down was not giving murphy one given his interpretation of donnelly's earlier.
The ref probably wasn't looking at the ground nor whereas the umpire spotted it. It was just a minor wee thing but really don't think it was protection.
Did it not used to be the case that the only thing umpires influenced were square balls? I assume that has changed?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 19, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Jim McGuinness says Donegal fell into same trap as they did in last year's Ulster Final when the lost to Monaghan.Monaghan were defeated in last year's AI Quarter Final as will Tyrone in this year's.
I suppose if you keep saying Tyrone are going to get beaten then eventually you will be right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 19, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
McGee was ambling over the top of him. He was putting his hand up to protect himself.
The refund was looking at it and if he thought it was a bc he should've gave it. Instead the umpire called him to it.
Why have you used the word "refund" in your last two posts?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 19, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Jim McGuinness says Donegal fell into same trap as they did in last year's Ulster Final when the lost to Monaghan.Monaghan were defeated in last year's AI Quarter Final as will Tyrone in this year's.
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Quote from: T Fearon on July 19, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Jim McGuinness says Donegal fell into same trap as they did in last year's Ulster Final when the lost to Monaghan.Monaghan were defeated in last year's AI Quarter Final as will Tyrone in this year's.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
I watched the game again last night on BBC as had it recorded and despite having watched the Mattie black card incident several times I still can decide myself whether it should have been black or not.
Coldrick was quite close by when it happened and didn't even blow for a free when it happened. It seemed to be Gough the linesman (who did so well in our game v Cavan) who made the call and I'd say the blood wound on McHugh probably added to the cause. Whilst Mattie is not a dirty player, he does tend to like to use his body strength to hit hard and take a tackle even when he doesn't need to. For me I felt he saw McHugh coming straight at him and knowing he was bigger and more solid thought for a split second I'm not getting out of the way here and allowed McHugh's momentum to crash into him as he's a lot smaller than Mattie. Who knows for sure but that was my take on the incident. In slow motion Mattie's arm seems to come out a bit and I think that's what maybe caused the wound. To me I think it should have been yellow as it could have been dangerous play.
McShane's one was also strange as it definitely appeared to be for a hand trip on the defender. He should have got the ball into his possession earlier but maybe there was a small push but hard to say. He clearly touches the defenders foot/shin but it was minimal contact but the defender then (was it Eamon McGee) made the most of it.
Despite what the BBC commentator said, there didn't appear to be any conversation between McShane and the umpire whatsoever whoever you would imagine there was sledging between him and the Donegal players as usual.
Anyway, on another note. Whilst delighted we finally beat this Donegal team and the horrible style of football they make you play to try to match them, I can't help but think of players like Murphy, McBrearty and the McHughs among others. They have benefited in some ways from what their system gave them a few years back but these talented players must be fed up to the back teeth playing like this. Murphy in particular should be one of the top players every year in Ireland yet his career is being wasted in my eyes by the system they play. If he played for Dublin or Kerry or even Mayo he would be a superstar I think as kicking and fielding skills alone are amazing. However most games he plays in, he is suffocated from the start and rarely gets decent ball into an area of space or with teammates around him for support. I think Donegal find themselves now almost under pressure to play this style of game now rather than mixing it up a bit. I can understand some teams playing it against awesome forward lines like Dublin where they can get roasted but Donegal have good forwards themselves if they would play to their strengths sometimes and stop being so fearful.
How do you Donegal fans feel? Would you not rather take the chance and see how ye fair playing a more open expansive game?
Well, maybe vary it a bit at least. It was clear after ten minutes of the second half that Tyrone had figured out the Donegal attack. It was like waves washing up on a beach, with Donegal being constantly pushed back at the 45m line and passing across the field. Why not at least try to hit a few in on top of and in front of Murphy and McBrearty?
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 19, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
McGee was ambling over the top of him. He was putting his hand up to protect himself.
The refund was looking at it and if he thought it was a bc he should've gave it. Instead the umpire called him to it.
Why have you used the word "refund" in your last two posts?
Cos thats what he's gonna have to give Sean Dunnion
Auto complete on the word ref I suspect....
I think that's an important point Fuzzman and despite what Cavanagh eventually ended up doing I was thinking to myself halfway through the game that two of the best footballers in the past 10 years or more (Cavanagh and Murphy) could have easily been replaced by a fit junior footballer for all they had done to that point. I think Murphy is being entirely wasted by Donegal I think they really need to rethink their whole approach. They won one All Ireland playing a certain way and that's all they'll win continuing that way as it's been found out. With really good players why not go out and see what playing a more expansive brand of football will get you? They know how to play the blanket anyway so if required they can always go back but if they went more conventional they could do damage and ruin their opponents plans based on the way they thought they'd play.
Very noticeable how Cavanagh has had a big influence in the last two games when moved out the field.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 19, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
Very noticeable how Cavanagh has had a big influence in the last two games when moved out the field.
Has he got the legs if moved out in Croker, though Matty Donnelly wont be likely to be sat in the stands. I thought O'Reilly done an excellent job in curtailing Donnelly, who really done nothing. After Donnelly went off O'Reilly didnt really do much. Gallagher should have placed him on Harte in the 2nd half!
Jimmy had a fair cut at Rory Gallagher today in the papers . . . where'e Leo McLoone??!!
Yeah I was wondering was there a falling out between McLoone and Gallagher?
That's twice now he's brought on Thompson I think having brought him off or was it another player the last day.
Amazing Mark McHugh can't get a starting place any more on that team.
What do people think of Munroe? Where's his natural position?
I think Brennan has to start from here on. His pace and mobility and ability to take a score from distance is crucial, even more so than McNabb and McCann.
It's a disgrace that Leo is not even used as a sub. It can't be a Glenties thing, as why would Anthony Thompson start and then be brought back on? McElhinney was brought back on against Monaghan too. And Leo is strong as f**k and would have been useful in that second half to break a few tackles. Maybe he didn't react too well to coming on as a sub against Fermanagh and then being whipped off at half-time.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2016, 03:52:45 PM
Yeah I was wondering was there a falling out between McLoone and Gallagher?
That's twice now he's brought on Thompson I think having brought him off or was it another player the last day.
Amazing Mark McHugh can't get a starting place any more on that team.
What do people think of Munroe? Where's his natural position?
I think Brennan has to start from here on. His pace and mobility and ability to take a score from distance is crucial, even more so than McNabb and McCann.
I would like to see Brennan or Munro coming in for McCrory, other than that our team isnt that far away and is quite settled.
we have mccurry & Bradley to come off the bench up front and any number of players that can do a job anywhere in the middle third.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 19, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
Very noticeable how Cavanagh has had a big influence in the last two games when moved out the field.
Has he got the legs if moved out in Croker, though Matty Donnelly wont be likely to be sat in the stands. I thought O'Reilly done an excellent job in curtailing Donnelly, who really done nothing. After Donnelly went off O'Reilly didnt really do much. Gallagher should have placed him on Harte in the 2nd half!
Cavanagh's influence is more in fleeting moments these days. He isn't going to dominate from out the field with surging runs like he did on the past and we can afford to leave him inside for 'rests' if needs be. But when the big moments arrive he invariably is there. I think his influence is also in the attention he will attract from the opposition. Last Sunday's performance will re-enforce that. I don't think that if you shut down Cavanagh, you shut down Tyrone, but I think counties may allocate more resources to shutting him down than are needed. Let's face it, nothing would have stopped his 3 points on Sunday, so a strategy to stop this may be wasted. So in my view his presence in Croker will create opportunities for others and of course he will always be there when the need arises.
What about Lee Brennan is he finished his GCSE's yet?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 19, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
Very noticeable how Cavanagh has had a big influence in the last two games when moved out the field.
Has he got the legs if moved out in Croker, though Matty Donnelly wont be likely to be sat in the stands. I thought O'Reilly done an excellent job in curtailing Donnelly, who really done nothing. After Donnelly went off O'Reilly didnt really do much. Gallagher should have placed him on Harte in the 2nd half!
Cavanagh's influence is more in fleeting moments these days. He isn't going to dominate from out the field with surging runs like he did on the past and we can afford to leave him inside for 'rests' if needs be. But when the big moments arrive he invariably is there. I think his influence is also in the attention he will attract from the opposition. Last Sunday's performance will re-enforce that. I don't think that if you shut down Cavanagh, you shut down Tyrone, but I think counties may allocate more resources to shutting him down than are needed. Let's face it, nothing would have stopped his 3 points on Sunday, so a strategy to stop this may be wasted. So in my view his presence in Croker will create opportunities for others and of course he will always be there when the need arises.
Dont think Cavanagh ever dominated with those surging runs since 05. But what he has done is when he gets 4 or 5 plays in a half he completely nails them, like on Sunday, also not unlike the 08 AI final.
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Auto complete on the word ref I suspect....
Faking phone. Lol
Am hearing that Donegal V Tyrone was so poor even Pokemon left at half time!😂
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Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2016, 03:52:45 PM
Yeah I was wondering was there a falling out between McLoone and Gallagher?
That's twice now he's brought on Thompson I think having brought him off or was it another player the last day.
Amazing Mark McHugh can't get a starting place any more on that team.
What do people think of Munroe? Where's his natural position?
I think Brennan has to start from here on. His pace and mobility and ability to take a score from distance is crucial, even more so than McNabb and McCann.
I would like to see Brennan or Munro coming in for McCrory, other than that our team isnt that far away and is quite settled.
we have mccurry & Bradley to come off the bench up front and any number of players that can do a job anywhere in the middle third.
Wouldnt say him and McShane get on too well, McShane's black card was probably the reason Harte gave him a run out
Verbals at half time from within donegal camp motivated us to get over the line, according to Tyrone goalkeeper Niall Morgan.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 19, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Jim McGuinness says Donegal fell into same trap as they did in last year's Ulster Final when the lost to Monaghan.Monaghan were defeated in last year's AI Quarter Final as will Tyrone in this year's.
You've been predicting our demise from the start of round 1 and been getting it disastrously wrong. The same in 2003, 2005 and 2008 ... let go of this jealousy, it's eating you up, it's not our fault Armagh are absolute shite ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on July 19, 2016, 05:59:51 PM
Am hearing that Donegal V Tyrone was so poor even Pokemon left at half time!😂
You'd believe anything you hear, Tony!
Quote from: skeog on July 19, 2016, 08:18:56 PM
Verbals at half time from within donegal camp motivated us to get over the line, according to Tyrone goalkeeper Niall Morgan.
Heard that too. Obvious who started the row last year leaving the pitch at half time.
Pokemon left Clones early to collect the winnings at the bookies.To be fair it looked at that stage that Tyrone were wilting in the White Heat of Clones.
Anyone want to shed any more light on what happened in the Donegal changing room at half time or even what they think might have happened? Are they not happy with the Gallagher's tactics? I thought he looked stressed.
I'm amazed how many people still respond to Fearon and take his posts seriously.
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Anyone want to shed any more light on what happened in the Donegal changing room at half time or even what they think might have happened? Are they not happy with the Gallagher's tactics? I thought he looked stressed.
I'm amazed how many people still respond to Fearon and take his posts seriously.
With regards to Fearon. He's not an annoying troll as he shoots himself in the foot that often I quite enjoy reading his posts. It's like having a resident clown in the board.
Some interesting analysis here by Wooly and Senan O'Connell etc.
https://soundcloud.com/user-787320910 (https://soundcloud.com/user-787320910)
jim mc guinness is stressing rory out with his articles in the working class Irish Times seems to have a certain dislike for his former assistant
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2016, 10:20:15 AM
Anyone want to shed any more light on what happened in the Donegal changing room at half time or even what they think might have happened? Are they not happy with the Gallagher's tactics? I thought he looked stressed.
I'm amazed how many people still respond to Fearon and take his posts seriously.
Why do you think anything happened? Cos Gallagher looked stressed?
The hit on McGlynn was as iconic as the one on Stephen O'Neill in the same fixture a few years ago. McGlynn never recovered.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
The hit on McGlynn was as iconic as the one on Stephen O'Neill in the same fixture a few years ago. McGlynn never recovered.
That hit was as good as a score at the time.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
The hit on McGlynn was as iconic as the one on Stephen O'Neill in the same fixture a few years ago. McGlynn never recovered.
That hit was as good as a score at the time.
Just as good as big Sean crunching Bellew in the 2005 semi
Bellew never looked the same after it. 👙
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I'm amazed how many people still respond to Fearon and take his posts seriously.
Are you kidding? Tony is an invaluable source of information for the punter!!! Keep the tips coming Tony please.Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 03, 2016, 11:19:14 PM
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Really looking forward to this. A quare test of where Tyrone are.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Tyrone conceded 5 goals in two games against Cavan.They would not be in the Ulster Final had they met either Donegal and Monaghan.The 2016 Ulster Final was played in Cavan last night.Tyrone have no chance of beating Donegal.
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Tyrone have no chance against Donegal.They ship far too many scores and will get no change from Donegal's mean defence
Game over I'm afraid.........for Donegal
Quote from: T Fearon on July 17, 2016, 12:31:14 PM
Mickelson Donegal double pays just over 6/1! On it like a shot!
Yeah it was a good well times shoulder by Monroe though was surprised McGlynn was injured after it. (was his dad not Raymond Munroe with a u not an o)?
What did ye think of McCann's tackle from behind on the edge of the square that time?
At the time I thought it was a penalty but the ref wasn't giving out any more soft frees at that time.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Yeah it was a good well times shoulder by Monroe though was surprised McGlynn was injured after it. (was his dad not Raymond Munroe with a u not an o)?
What did ye think of McCann's tackle from behind on the edge of the square that time?
At the time I thought it was a penalty but the ref wasn't giving out any more soft frees at that time.
Both where frees, Munroe's timing was very slightly off and it caught McGlynn more on the back than the shoulder, but by that stage the ref had stopped giving frees inside the 45's. Even the first of the two long range ones he awarded to Donegal he moved it a further 5 yards back from where it should have been.
QuoteBellew never looked the same after it. 👙
The McEntee twins had to walk Francie to the bus after! ;D :o
Quote from: under the bar on July 21, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
QuoteBellew never looked the same after it. 👙
The McEntee twins had to walk Francie to the bus after! ;D :o
I felt it, and I was sitting in the middle deck of the Canal End ... and the Buckfast boys still whinge about it being a foul ;D
Cathal McShane shared a pretty cool photo on instagram today showing him meeting Mickey in 2003 and celebrating with Mickey 13 years later. Cathal McCarron's comment a bit rich after his effort on goal in the second half!!
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-07-21-18-43-02.png)
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2016, 06:49:33 PM
Cathal McShane shared a pretty cool photo on instagram today showing him meeting Mickey in 2003 and celebrating with Mickey 13 years later. Cathal McCarron's comment a bit rich after his effort on goal in the second half!!
All a bit surreal for myself. A photo I took in 2003 going viral in 2016. The big f****r never even asked for the rights!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 21, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2016, 06:49:33 PM
Cathal McShane shared a pretty cool photo on instagram today showing him meeting Mickey in 2003 and celebrating with Mickey 13 years later. Cathal McCarron's comment a bit rich after his effort on goal in the second half!!
All a bit surreal for myself. A photo I took in 2003 going viral in 2016. The big f****r never even asked for the rights!
Very good! Is that you threatening to sue him over on Twitter?? :)
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2016, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 21, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 21, 2016, 06:49:33 PM
Cathal McShane shared a pretty cool photo on instagram today showing him meeting Mickey in 2003 and celebrating with Mickey 13 years later. Cathal McCarron's comment a bit rich after his effort on goal in the second half!!
All a bit surreal for myself. A photo I took in 2003 going viral in 2016. The big f****r never even asked for the rights!
Very good! Is that you threatening to sue him over on Twitter?? :)
Ha ha. Maybe.
a real good lad cathal mc shane credit to his club
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 21, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Yeah it was a good well times shoulder by Monroe though was surprised McGlynn was injured after it. (was his dad not Raymond Munroe with a u not an o)?
What did ye think of McCann's tackle from behind on the edge of the square that time?
At the time I thought it was a penalty but the ref wasn't giving out any more soft frees at that time.
Both where frees, Munroe's timing was very slightly off and it caught McGlynn more on the back than the shoulder, but by that stage the ref had stopped giving frees inside the 45's. Even the first of the two long range ones he awarded to Donegal he moved it a further 5 yards back from where it should have been.
The McGlynn one seems to be the main complaint from the Donegal area (well that and the failure to vary the tactics and bring on Leo!), especially as it would very likely have put Donegal two points up very late on instead of Tyrone going down the field for Cavanagh's wonder point.
But... them's the breaks. We all benefit and suffer at some point. I still think Tyrone just about deserved that wee bit more on the day.
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Quote from: oakleafgael on July 21, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Yeah it was a good well times shoulder by Monroe though was surprised McGlynn was injured after it. (was his dad not Raymond Munroe with a u not an o)?
What did ye think of McCann's tackle from behind on the edge of the square that time?
At the time I thought it was a penalty but the ref wasn't giving out any more soft frees at that time.
Both where frees, Munroe's timing was very slightly off and it caught McGlynn more on the back than the shoulder, but by that stage the ref had stopped giving frees inside the 45's. Even the first of the two long range ones he awarded to Donegal he moved it a further 5 yards back from where it should have been.
The McGlynn one seems to be the main complaint from the Donegal area (well that and the failure to vary the tactics and bring on Leo!), especially as it would very likely have put Donegal two points up very late on instead of Tyrone going down the field for Cavanagh's wonder point.
But... them's the breaks. We all benefit and suffer at some point. I still think Tyrone just about deserved that wee bit more on the day.
A lot of devate aftte this game on changes to the rules which would make the game more attractive. Jim mcguinness suggesting teams must keep 3 players in the opposition half at all times but joe brolly going with the idea of teams resetting after the ball goes dead with only 4 midfielders allowed between the 45s. I was talking to a non gaa fan the other day and he thought we should take a rule from water polo ie once you get possession you have 60 seconds to get a score, otherwise possession goes to the opposition. If a foul is committed the 60 seconds begins again. My first thought is it just might work and could speed up the game and make it more exciting. I haven't given it a lot of thought though so I thought I'd put it on here to see what people thought.
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Quote from: J70 on July 22, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 21, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Yeah it was a good well times shoulder by Monroe though was surprised McGlynn was injured after it. (was his dad not Raymond Munroe with a u not an o)?
What did ye think of McCann's tackle from behind on the edge of the square that time?
At the time I thought it was a penalty but the ref wasn't giving out any more soft frees at that time.
Both where frees, Munroe's timing was very slightly off and it caught McGlynn more on the back than the shoulder, but by that stage the ref had stopped giving frees inside the 45's. Even the first of the two long range ones he awarded to Donegal he moved it a further 5 yards back from where it should have been.
The McGlynn one seems to be the main complaint from the Donegal area (well that and the failure to vary the tactics and bring on Leo!), especially as it would very likely have put Donegal two points up very late on instead of Tyrone going down the field for Cavanagh's wonder point.
But... them's the breaks. We all benefit and suffer at some point. I still think Tyrone just about deserved that wee bit more on the day.
A lot of devate aftte this game on changes to the rules which would make the game more attractive. Jim mcguinness suggesting teams must keep 3 players in the opposition half at all times but joe brolly going with the idea of teams resetting after the ball goes dead with only 4 midfielders allowed between the 45s. I was talking to a non gaa fan the other day and he thought we should take a rule from water polo ie once you get possession you have 60 seconds to get a score, otherwise possession goes to the opposition. If a foul is committed the 60 seconds begins again. My first thought is it just might work and could speed up the game and make it more exciting. I haven't given it a lot of thought though so I thought I'd put it on here to see what people thought.
Read this on Joe Brolly's idea. Does Joe even think through what he says?
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/say-hello-to-the-new-breed-of-midfielder-if-joe-brollys-proposed-rule-changes-are-enforced/88128
I always find the Ulster council's match analysis very interesting. Particularly the alternative camera views, at least they managed to catch the lead up to McGreary's last point. Something the BBC failed miserably at!
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2016/07/ulster-final-2016-donegal-v-tyrone-statistical-analysis/
Some great camera grabs indeed. Sean's last point was a monster.
Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Some great camera grabs indeed. Sean's last point was a monster.
McNaillais' (sic) efforts were fantastic as well, he looks like he is stroking them over from 20 yards out rather the guts of 50 yards. Especially his last one which was into the breeze.
Interesting reading through this again to compare this year with last year
A lot of new faces for Donegal this year.