Seems bad - lots of serious injuries
Feckin hell. Seeing pictures on another forum. Looks grim.
The photos on Twitter are horrific - carnage.
Terrible footage and reports on twitter of limbs lost. Hopefully no deaths but looking at picture of actual explosion seems that will be a miricle.
Two explosions reported which suggest it no accident.
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Terrible footage and reports on twitter of limbs lost. Hopefully no deaths but looking at picture of actual explosion seems that will be a miricle.
Two explosions reported which suggest it no accident.
Sky saying three dead
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Terrible footage and reports on twitter of limbs lost. Hopefully no deaths but looking at picture of actual explosion seems that will be a miricle.
Two explosions reported which suggest it no accident.
There's supposed to be another device as well
Quote from: Minder on April 15, 2013, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Terrible footage and reports on twitter of limbs lost. Hopefully no deaths but looking at picture of actual explosion seems that will be a miricle.
Two explosions reported which suggest it no accident.
Sky saying three dead
Surely set to rise from some of the photos.
I am in a running club in New York and we have a dozen or more people up there running or watching. My facebook time line is now full of people checking in or asking for updates.
Looks really nasty.
Fox saying it may be a gas explosion
I sincerely hope it's not as bad as a lot of people are saying it is.
just watched footage of explosion. Crazy timing if it was a gas explosion.
They are finding secondary devices in the area - don't think it's a gas explosion
Unexploded devices have been found. Terrorist attack by the looks of it. Talk on sky news of a "make shift morgue" being set up. :-\
f**king disgusting. People from all walks of life, running for charity in many cases. Most Irish town in the states too... >:(
2 separate explosions now confirmed.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
just watched footage of explosion. Crazy timing if it was a gas explosion.
That was my first reaction.
Crazy.
At least two people are dead and dozens injured -- including up to 10 with amputated limbs -- after two explosions rocked the area near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, according to the Boston Police Department.
The simultaneous explosions, and reports of at least one other unexploded device found near the scene - raised suspicions that the explosions, just before 3 p.m., could be terrorist attacks. Competitors and race organizers were crying as they fled the bloody chaos, while some witnesses reported seeing victims with lost limbs.
"Somebody's leg flew by my head," a spectator, who gave his name as John Ross, told the Boston Herald. "I gave my belt to stop the blood."
Witnesses heard booms that sounded like two claps of thunder near the finish line inside the Fairmount Copley Plaza Hotel, according to multiple local reports.
Video of the scene showed a number of emergency crews in the area tending to victims and blood on the ground near the finish line.
"I saw two explosions. The first one was beyond the finish line. I heard a loud bang and I saw smoke rising," Boston Herald reporter Chris Cassidy, who was running in the marathon, told the newspaper. "I kept running and I heard behind me a loud bang. It looked like it was in a trash can or something...There are people who have been hit with debris, people with bloody foreheads."
"There are a lot of people down," said one man, whose bib No. 17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina. He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg. A Boston police officer was wheeled from the course with a leg injury that was bleeding.
About three hours after the winners crossed the line, there was a loud explosion on the north side of Boylston Street, just before the photo bridge that marks the finish line. Another thunderous explosion could be heard a few seconds later.
Runner Laura McLean of Toronto said she heard two explosions outside the medical tent.
"There are people who are really, really bloody," McLean said. "They were pulling them into the medical tent."
Cherie Falgoust was waiting for her husband, who was running the race. "I was expecting my husband any minute," she said. "I don't know what this building is ... it just blew. Just a big bomb, a loud boom, and then glass everywhere. Something hit my head. I don't know what it was. I just ducked."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/explosion-reported-near-finish-line-boston-marathon-spokesman-says/#ixzz2QZ5qrGb7
Terrible stuff. Rarely you can call something evil without a doubt but if this is what it appears to be there is no other word for it.
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Some things just never make sense.
A lot of the runners from boards.ie have been accounted so but still a few to check in. The race had 108 Irish runners entered but will be hundreds more.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Ayyyyyye Rah getting name-checked on Fox. The news is like a greatest hits package when something hits - Waco, OKC bombing already got trotted out.
Being homemade doesn't mean it was made by a right wing fool, surely? Even a 'jihadist' would have to build the bombs themselves.
Quote from: Bingo on April 15, 2013, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Some things just never make sense.
A lot of the runners from boards.ie have been accounted so but still a few to check in. The race had 108 Irish runners entered but will be hundreds more.
It went off around the 4 hour mark, 4.09 I think
Few pics from it http://t.co/9SQnVmKUD9
White House sealed off now
Some fella Alex Jones has pinned it on the FBI, trying to frame right wingers ???
Sky reporting a 3rd bomb after exploding.
Quote from: Minder on April 15, 2013, 09:41:24 PM
Some fella Alex Jones has pinned it on the FBI, trying to frame right wingers ???
Alex Jones is the king of conspiracy nuts.
Terrible scenes. Strange event to target?
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/)
Some distressing photos.
Madness.
The latest on Sky news http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sky+news&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2F&ei=QWZsUfexHYiu7AaDoYHgAw&usg=AFQjCNESXeI5j7fA5wV1J3CFmxSf_vqRyQ
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on April 15, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/)
Some distressing photos.
Madness.
There are some shocking photos there.
Terrible the whole thing. Scumbags.
Quote from: dec on April 15, 2013, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 15, 2013, 09:41:24 PM
Some fella Alex Jones has pinned it on the FBI, trying to frame right wingers ???
Alex Jones is the king of conspiracy nuts.
He's a loon. I put a link of him on piers morgan before.
One Irish runner runner finished 20 seconds before bomb they saying..
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on April 15, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/)
Some distressing photos.
Madness.
Holy f**k. Picture 8 is gruesome.
Video here is shocking...
http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square
Shocking stuff.
Just got a pic on my phone of a young man being wheeled away in a chair - conscious but leg gone below the knee. Shredded with just the bare tibia left like a stick. Wtf is wrong with people.
Quote from: laoislad on April 15, 2013, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on April 15, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/)
Some distressing photos.
Madness.
Holy f**k. Picture 8 is gruesome.
Sickening...
Quote from: moysider on April 15, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Shocking stuff.
Just got a pic on my phone of a young man being wheeled away in a chair - conscious but leg gone below the knee. Shredded with just the bare tibia left like a stick. Wtf is wrong with people.
No one ever needs to have that happen to them, I hope they get these fcukers and string them up by the balls!
Going by what I can see the seriously injured seem to be spectators behind the barriers more than runners. Shocking pictures. God help them.
According to New York Post a Saudi national being reported as a suspect, has shrapnel wounds in hospital.
It seemed to be the hotel beside it more than the route itself.
Some shocking photos.
Quote from: Minder on April 15, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
According to New York Post a Saudi national being reported as a suspect, has shrapnel wounds in hospital.
saudis were behind 911 but with the oil and everything it didn't make sense to pursue the issue. So they framed Iraq instead.
Shocking stuff in Boston. I wonder what homeland security were doing.
Christ almighty, look at this video! The video is quite graphic but is the best footage of the moment of explosion. Apologies if anyone is upset by it!
http://bcove.me/qwi5k6ap
Multiple bombs, all going off at the same time to overwhelm the emergency services, some of them going off in a high profile location where TV cameras are likely to catch it. Absolutely no doubt who could be behind this. Mad, evil, jihadist psychopaths.
That is a very upsetting video
Looks like at least one device was in a shop/building. Windows blown out. Could have been concealed weeks ago and set off by a mobile.
According to police, a bomb also exploded at the JFK Library. No injuries there apparently. At the moment, according to CNN, 2 dead, 100+ injured.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
Aye, a nutjob in the same way Oklahoma was! And 9/11, Madrid, London etc etc...
Quote from: Minder on April 15, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
According to New York Post a Saudi national being reported as a suspect, has shrapnel wounds in hospital.
Hmmmm. Round up the usual suspects I suspect.
I doubt the bombers hung around to pick up shrapnel. If the bombs were in shops - which it appears they were - the planters were well away.
Actually I was hoping the 2 fatalities were 2 suicide bombers blowing themselves up. No such luck.
Sickening stuff. Children and all caught up in that. Cowardly act.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
I would say there is more than one nut job involved, interesting to note you blamed the right wingers on this before you knew what you were talking about............... no bias there at all at all.
I don't know who was behind that bombing, but it's f**king sickening. That 8th pic was hard to look at.
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
I would say there is more than one nut job involved, interesting to note you blamed the right wingers on this before you knew what you were talking about............... no bias there at all at all.
Incorrect, plenty of bias. Neither here nor there at this time though, thoughts are with people of Boston now. I flipped a coin last October to run Boston today or 2014 as I had the qualifying time. Surreal feeling, thankfully got a text from my friend who ran today. Safe and sound.
Really don't understand the mentality of people who stand filming carnage around them instead of sticking the phone in the pocket and trying to help.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2013, 10:55:23 PM
Really don't understand the mentality of people who stand filming carnage around them instead of sticking the phone in the pocket and trying to help.
Was thinking the same. The $$$ signs were in some of the photographers minds as they scrambled to get the photo that can be sold to the papers and will be shown around the world and then they simply turned around an walked away.
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
I would say there is more than one nut job involved, interesting to note you blamed the right wingers on this before you knew what you were talking about............... no bias there at all at all.
Check the news: Fox hyping likely Al Qaeda (or sympathizer) involvement; MSNBC potential domestic, tax day/Boston connection.
Quote from: J70 on April 15, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
I would say there is more than one nut job involved, interesting to note you blamed the right wingers on this before you knew what you were talking about............... no bias there at all at all.
Check the news: Fox hyping likely Al Qaeda (or sympathizer) involvement; MSNBC potential domestic, tax day/Boston connection.
Fox are right wingers, the rest of the media are left wingers plus they all deal in sensationalism to some degree, my point was simply that a lad on here played the right wing card right away which was expected but in my opinion, premature!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2013, 10:55:23 PM
Really don't understand the mentality of people who stand filming carnage around them instead of sticking the phone in the pocket and trying to help.
See your point, but we still watch their footage.
Look people/posters will always have an opinion on who done it, it won't affect or have any bearing on whats actually happened. The fact is that another senseless explosion has taken place and innocent people have lost their lives.
Boston radio reporting police commissioner has dismissed reports of any suspect held much less a Saudi
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/201341562946963175.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/201341562946963175.html)
33 dead and 160 others are injured in Iraqi bombings today. You can imagine the carnage and bloodshed at those incidents as well.
It's been given much less media attention in the wake of the Boston bombings, it would lend credence to the opinion that despite all good intentions a hierarchy of victims exists in our minds.
CNN reporting that one of the dead is an 8 year old child.
I think with Iraq its out of sight out of mind in relation to alot what happens over there. Things are bad when bombs are been set off during marathons, how long before a sports game is hit, if anything its more likley to happen in the uk than America.
Oh, of course there is a hierarchy of victimhood. A bunch of westerners who look and act like us are always going to pull at our heart strings more than people we generally don't have a good understanding of. I doubt the people in Qatar are more affected by Americans being blown up than people in one of their neighbouring countries.
I think sometimes we go a little too far with our guilt about how we react emotionally to events like this compared to ones in other countries.
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2013, 12:01:43 AM
Oh, of course there is a hierarchy of victim hood. A bunch of westerners who look like is is always going to pull at our heart strings more than people we generally don't have a good understanding of. I doubt the people in Qatar are more affected by Americans being blown up than people in one of their neighbouring countries. I think sometimes we go a little too far with our guilt about how we react emotionally to events like this compared to ones in other countries.
An eight year old boy confirmed dead in this debacle, also ball bearings were used hence the multiple loss of limbs.
They have a guy with severe burns they are not sure of, either a victim or one of the terrorists, I wonder if profiling came into the equation.
To be honest I think this is an American based attack such as the Oklahoma bombings. Would jihadists have not claimed the attack by now if they had committed it?
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 15, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Pretty safe to say it's a nut job though. Sickening stuff. There will be loads of stuff flying about the alleged perpetrators. Just saw Oklahoma bombing was April 19th...which probably means nothing really though.
I would say there is more than one nut job involved, interesting to note you blamed the right wingers on this before you knew what you were talking about............... no bias there at all at all.
Check the news: Fox hyping likely Al Qaeda (or sympathizer) involvement; MSNBC potential domestic, tax day/Boston connection.
Fox are right wingers, the rest of the media are left wingers plus they all deal in sensationalism to some degree, my point was simply that a lad on here played the right wing card right away which was expected but in my opinion, premature!
Sorry Stew, wasn't trying to criticize you! More agreeing with you about the premature speculation! Although, I will be shocked if Fox aren't closer to the truth given the manner of the bombings.
Quote from: trileacman on April 16, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
To be honest I think this is an American based attack such as the Oklahoma bombings. Would jihadists have not claimed the attack by now if they had committed it?
I think you could not be more wrong but we will see.
Madness. Sheer madness.
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/perfect-day-turns-evil/W7KQHq1NWFqukte3VQ14DJ/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/perfect-day-turns-evil/W7KQHq1NWFqukte3VQ14DJ/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw)
Was talking to a mate in Boston last night, he said that local media reports were saying that the explosions were caused by pipe bombs. So the right wing nutjob theory could well be right.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 15, 2013, 10:18:08 PM
Multiple bombs, all going off at the same time to overwhelm the emergency services, some of them going off in a high profile location where TV cameras are likely to catch it. Absolutely no doubt who could be behind this. Mad, evil, jihadist psychopaths.
You'd have to study the bomb material to back that up, Eamonn. It's not as if everything is hunky dory in the US today. There could be some NRA extremists somewhere deep in Republican territory who want to send a message to liberal Boston about changing the gun laws. We just don't know.
Jihadis tend to be more professional. They know how to build bombs because they got a lot of practice in theatre.
Shocking stuff. Saw headlines on the news this morning and haven't had a chance to read any news until now (Boston is 12 hrs behind here). My heart goes out to all those affected - and that will be in the thousands directly or indirectly.
I think its sickening, though, the amount of graphic footage and photos available online in the immediate aftermath of an event like this. It is highly possible that people trying to find out about loved ones in Boston will come across a picture on Twitter or some news feed of that very person with their leg hanging off.
And news outlets, in their haste to get the most disturbing and shocking story, talking about 'makeshift morgues' ffs.
This is dreadful. I have to agree with the posters who think this is the work of Right wing extremists from America. There would have been more damage done if it had been jihadists and they would have claimed it by now.
Some reference to the attacks in Irag/Afgan yesterday on here and many more on social media etc. Its like some people just want to be more "tuned in" or political and look to score points by comparing peoples reaction and the media's coverage of both. I don't think there is an easy answer to this. The bombings in Iraq/Afgan etc seem to be the norm not the exception, hence the medias indifference to them. Also, the reason of these attacks are complex and have been lost amongst the ongoing conflicts, Americans presence, tribal conflicts, etc etc. They seem to happen and the reaction is when is the next one going to happen. Its expected almost and they are so extreme, the authorities are powerless to stop them.
People quoting these attacks are also making the assumption that they are somehow linked, even if that is as loose as the Boston attacks where carried out by jihadists. That is far from certain at this early stage. Its as if they are saying, sure this happened today and its all america's fault, so don't be surprised when it happens here.
But i think the main difference is that the Boston attacks are "on our doorstep" ie in our world and at an event that we take for granted. No one expects it, see's it coming or can understand it when it does happen. Its senseless. The Iraq attacks are expected, there is a vague but complex reason why they happen, so in way it makes a twisted sort of sense to us. We also expect to feel safe and its a shock when we realise we aren't.
Its very hard to fake shock, with Boston we are shocked, sadly with events in Iraq, its no more than an afterthought.
Shocking stuff all right, but pales in comparison to the hundreds of children killed in Afghanistan by the use of unmanned Drones by Obama. Just 2 weeks ago 12 children were among 18 killed by Drones in a single attack and there wasn't too much said about them.
To me, it doesn't matter what nationality a child is, they have as much a right to life as anyone in this crazy world.
Post from frfintanstack on boards.ie:
I had just crossed the finish line about 20 seconds before the first blast. Came in a few seconds behind Gerry Carr from the dublin marathon who had kept me going for the last 2 kilometers. Very loud blast, then smoke and the sound of breaking glass showering down. It was surreal, very hard to know how you'd react in that situation till it happens. I just tried to move away when I heard the second blast and started to get worried was I walking into the path of next one.
A stampede started after that, people getting trampled. All the while most of the normal stuff at the end of a marathon kept going on....people collecting medals, getting drinks etc. I'm here with an college team of 10 running for charity. Most of those finishing with me were the charity runners in wave 3. The enormity of it is just hitting home now. 20 seconds slower and I was right at the site and they are saying on tv over here that there was a device that didnt go off on copley square. Exactly where I was when the other 2 went off.
Thank god all my gang are ok. Thoughts are with the injured and deceased and their friends and families
Quote from: give her dixie on April 16, 2013, 10:14:33 AM
Shocking stuff all right, but pales in comparison to the hundreds of children killed in Afghanistan by the use of unmanned Drones by Obama. Just 2 weeks ago 12 children were among 18 killed by Drones in a single attack and there wasn't too much said about them.
To me, it doesn't matter what nationality a child is, they have as much a right to life as anyone in this crazy world.
Bombing kids doesn't make America safe but in this case I think the enemy lives within.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 16, 2013, 10:14:33 AM
Shocking stuff all right, but pales in comparison to the hundreds of children killed in Afghanistan by the use of unmanned Drones by Obama. Just 2 weeks ago 12 children were among 18 killed by Drones in a single attack and there wasn't too much said about them.
To me, it doesn't matter what nationality a child is, they have as much a right to life as anyone in this crazy world.
Yes of course, a childs life, any life, anywhere, shouldn't be classed above another life.
But why the comparison here? Do you think they are connected or that the reporting off one in any way belittles the other? Does one justify or excuse the other?
Not saying by any means you are saying this but just trying to get a sense of why people having been quoting previous incidents as you have.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 16, 2013, 10:14:33 AM
Shocking stuff all right, but pales in comparison to the hundreds of children killed in Afghanistan by the use of unmanned Drones by Obama. Just 2 weeks ago 12 children were among 18 killed by Drones in a single attack and there wasn't too much said about them.
To me, it doesn't matter what nationality a child is, they have as much a right to life as anyone in this crazy world.
Totally, and there is no difference in the lives taken here during the troubles like McGurks Bar, Omagh, Enniskillen, Monaghan, Bloody Friday, and Dublin. The senselessness of it all has made me wonder how humans can do this for a cause and if there is a heaven do they actually think that killing people like this will find them happiness
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 15, 2013, 10:55:23 PM
Really don't understand the mentality of people who stand filming carnage around them instead of sticking the phone in the pocket and trying to help.
Was saying the very same thing yesterday when all this footage started appearing. So many useless p***ks walking around with cameras getting in the way of people actually trying to help. d**kheads.
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2013, 10:24:23 AM
But why the comparison here? Do you think they are connected or that the reporting off one in any way belittles the other? Does one justify or excuse the other?
Should this turn out to be the work of Islamic terrorists, more children in Afghanistan will die. It'd be nice to think Obama would stay his hand, but it won't happen because the children who die in Boston are some mother's child while those who die in Afghanistan are collateral damage. To quote Auden: And when he cried the little children died in the streets.
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Does America's cultural domination really have to be explained to anyone? Rights and wrongs of it are a different argument.
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
But it is on our "doorstep" when many people have brothers, sisters, cousins & friends in Boston
Boston yes, but in general the US in not.
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Eh? Distance aside (does it really matter that one location is a few hundred or less miles away than another?) Iraq and Ireland have absolutely nothing that ties us closer to them than to the US.
The US is on our doorstep in every sense that matters to people, culturally, politically, ethnically.
The reaction is natural, if sometimes overblown by American news stations. A bomb going off in an American city where none have before is always going to resonate with people more than one in a culture we barely grasp and who suffer simliar indignities on too-regular a basis.
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Doorstep may have been wrong turn of phrase but we can relate to it as its somewhere where we could easily see ourselves, we know people who could be in attendence or its the type of event we would be at. We can't forsee ourselves at a market in Kabul or Baghbad, but we could be at a marathon, a football match, on holiday, at the races etc where we consider the risk of attack or risk to life as zero.
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
Post from frfintanstack on boards.ie:
I had just crossed the finish line about 20 seconds before the first blast. Came in a few seconds behind Gerry Carr from the dublin marathon who had kept me going for the last 2 kilometers. Very loud blast, then smoke and the sound of breaking glass showering down. It was surreal, very hard to know how you'd react in that situation till it happens. I just tried to move away when I heard the second blast and started to get worried was I walking into the path of next one.
A stampede started after that, people getting trampled. All the while most of the normal stuff at the end of a marathon kept going on....people collecting medals, getting drinks etc. I'm here with an college team of 10 running for charity. Most of those finishing with me were the charity runners in wave 3. The enormity of it is just hitting home now. 20 seconds slower and I was right at the site and they are saying on tv over here that there was a device that didnt go off on copley square. Exactly where I was when the other 2 went off.
Thank god all my gang are ok. Thoughts are with the injured and deceased and their friends and families
Unreal. Thank god. In the video where the bomb is seen going off at the finish line, you can still see people flicking their watches while looking back at what's going on. Runners eh?
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
Post from frfintanstack on boards.ie:
I had just crossed the finish line about 20 seconds before the first blast. Came in a few seconds behind Gerry Carr from the dublin marathon who had kept me going for the last 2 kilometers. Very loud blast, then smoke and the sound of breaking glass showering down. It was surreal, very hard to know how you'd react in that situation till it happens. I just tried to move away when I heard the second blast and started to get worried was I walking into the path of next one.
A stampede started after that, people getting trampled. All the while most of the normal stuff at the end of a marathon kept going on....people collecting medals, getting drinks etc. I'm here with an college team of 10 running for charity. Most of those finishing with me were the charity runners in wave 3. The enormity of it is just hitting home now. 20 seconds slower and I was right at the site and they are saying on tv over here that there was a device that didnt go off on copley square. Exactly where I was when the other 2 went off.
Thank god all my gang are ok. Thoughts are with the injured and deceased and their friends and families
Unreal. Thank god. In the video where the bomb is seen going off at the finish line, you can still see people flicking their watches while looking back at what's going on. Runners eh?
Are you saying that runners (and perhaps these ones on particular) are insensitive?
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Unreal. Thank god. In the video where the bomb is seen going off at the finish line, you can still see people flicking their watches while looking back at what's going on. Runners eh?
Are you saying that runners (and perhaps these ones on particular) are insensitive?
Single-minded?
Quote from: deiseach on April 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Unreal. Thank god. In the video where the bomb is seen going off at the finish line, you can still see people flicking their watches while looking back at what's going on. Runners eh?
Are you saying that runners (and perhaps these ones on particular) are insensitive?
Single-minded?
Yes, I don't think they really knew what was happening, could have been fireworks or something. Flicking the watch is an almost automatic thing for most runners.
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Are you saying that runners (and perhaps these ones on particular) are insensitive?
Jaysus, very much doubt anyone is saying or thinking that. Its just a very natural reaction to finishing an event that months of focus has gone into and they would have little idea what caused the explosion. At that stage these runners where out on their feet.
You see T-shirts at running events and online aimed at long distance runners with a slogan something like "If I fall over/collapse, please stop my Garmin". So the comment was along these lines.
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 16, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Are you saying that runners (and perhaps these ones on particular) are insensitive?
Jaysus, very much doubt anyone is saying or thinking that. Its just a very natural reaction to finishing an event that months of focus has gone into and they would have little idea what caused the explosion. At that stage these runners where out on their feet.
You see T-shirts at running events and online aimed at long distance runners with a slogan something like "If I fall over/collapse, please stop my Garmin". So the comment was along these lines.
This.
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Half the people on the board have probably either been to Boston or have friends or relatives there. One of my wife's closest friends went to Boston for the marathon. Any of us or those close to us could have been caught up in it. It's just silly to take offense at the fact that this hit closer to home than atrocities in the middle east.
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
Alex Jones is blaming the FBI. infowars.com has been interesting to say the least since it happened.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
Alex Jones is blaming the FBI. infowars.com has been interesting to say the least since it happened.
See the "False Flag" theory raised in a few places. Some crazy stuff online at times.
Quote from: Bingo on April 16, 2013, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 16, 2013, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
Alex Jones is blaming the FBI. infowars.com has been interesting to say the least since it happened.
See the "False Flag" theory raised in a few places. Some crazy stuff online at times.
My hope is that they get the bastids who did it and not take a scapegoat, I was worried yesterday when they had a person of interest who was badly hurt, I wondered what nationality he was, he is no longer a suspect and now they can spend their time catching these hoors whomever they are!
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
What left wing groups would you pinpoint as being as plausible as Islamic or right wing groups?
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Oh I dunno, maybe the left wingers that think like Pelosi and consider it acceptable to give the president the power to kill American citizens, people like that you know!
Anarchists and communists tend to be left wing nuts do they not?
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
What left wing groups would you pinpoint as being as plausible as Islamic or right wing groups?
2 suspicious packages in Manhattan,
1 in Brooklyn,
Still no closer to anyone claiming responsibilty
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: stew on April 16, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Arthur_Friend on April 16, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: stew on April 15, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 15, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Police confirm 1st bomb was homemade. Some right wing nut job. Patriots day in the states
Oh I dunno, maybe the left wingers that think like Pelosi and consider it acceptable to give the president the power to kill American citizens, people like that you know!
You might want to wait until the facts come out, you have no idea who it is! ::)
Eammonca already has it down to jihadists, you missed that one. You're right about speculation though.
Funny thing is nobody was blaming the left wing nuts at all on here, just the right wingers and Jihadists.
What left wing groups would you pinpoint as being as plausible as Islamic or right wing groups?
So there have been reports of groups of leftists out there who are assuming permission to carry out terrorist attacks based on the Obama administration's argument that they can execute US citizens who pose an imminent threat?
Or you don't have an answer and you trying to score political points?
Suspicious packages will 'appear' everywhere as people have a heightened fear of everthing thing around them...
They're routine and normally merit only passing mention in NYC anyway.
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 01:11:15 PM
What left wing groups would you pinpoint as being as plausible as Islamic or right wing groups?
I don't see any mention of Martians either. Typical lamestream media, protecting aliens at the expense of
white ordinary Americans!
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 12:44:36 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Half the people on the board have probably either been to Boston or have friends or relatives there. One of my wife's closest friends went to Boston for the marathon. Any of us or those close to us could have been caught up in it. It's just silly to take offense at the fact that this hit closer to home than atrocities in the middle east.
There are obvious reasons why there is countrywide attention in the USA focussed with abhorrence on the no-warning bloody attack on a community, celebrating a festive event and why this attack resonated infinitely stronger than inhuman events inflicted outside the USA.
There are obvious reasons why some people here have more of a connection to Boston rather than Afghanistan and there are obvious reasons when also considering the media reporting which cements the images of horror.
But there are no moral reasons why we are not similarly bombarded with images of dismembered children from US/NATO bombing or bombings of similar festive community events in Afghanistan. For the most part Western media presents the first report straight from the lips of NATO, not even followed up by a 2nd report. and one has to search for some decent reporting. There are plenty of people who see no difference between the effects of one atrocity in the US and the other in Afghanistan, nor any difference in the value of those innocent lives who were murdered, nor any difference between the evilness of such attacks.
Quote from: Main Street on April 16, 2013, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 12:44:36 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Half the people on the board have probably either been to Boston or have friends or relatives there. One of my wife's closest friends went to Boston for the marathon. Any of us or those close to us could have been caught up in it. It's just silly to take offense at the fact that this hit closer to home than atrocities in the middle east.
There are obvious reasons why there is countrywide attention in the USA focussed with abhorrence on the no-warning bloody attack on a community, celebrating a festive event and why this attack resonated infinitely stronger than inhuman events inflicted outside the USA.
There are obvious reasons why some people here have more of a connection to Boston rather than Afghanistan and there are obvious reasons when also considering the media reporting which cements the images of horror.
But there are no moral reasons why we are not similarly bombarded with images of dismembered children from US/NATO bombing or bombings of similar festive community events in Afghanistan. For the most part Western media presents the first report straight from the lips of NATO, not even followed up by a 2nd report. and one has to search for some decent reporting. There are plenty of people who see no difference between the effects of one atrocity in the US and the other in Afghanistan, nor any difference in the value of those innocent lives who were murdered, nor any difference between the evilness of such attacks.
Good post.
Quote from: Main Street on April 16, 2013, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2013, 12:44:36 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Half the people on the board have probably either been to Boston or have friends or relatives there. One of my wife's closest friends went to Boston for the marathon. Any of us or those close to us could have been caught up in it. It's just silly to take offense at the fact that this hit closer to home than atrocities in the middle east.
There are obvious reasons why there is countrywide attention in the USA focussed with abhorrence on the no-warning bloody attack on a community, celebrating a festive event and why this attack resonated infinitely stronger than inhuman events inflicted outside the USA.
There are obvious reasons why some people here have more of a connection to Boston rather than Afghanistan and there are obvious reasons when also considering the media reporting which cements the images of horror.
But there are no moral reasons why we are not similarly bombarded with images of dismembered children from US/NATO bombing or bombings of similar festive community events in Afghanistan. For the most part Western media presents the first report straight from the lips of NATO, not even followed up by a 2nd report. and one has to search for some decent reporting. There are plenty of people who see no difference between the effects of one atrocity in the US and the other in Afghanistan, nor any difference in the value of those innocent lives who were murdered, nor any difference between the evilness of such attacks.
Agreed. Excellent post.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 16, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Suspicious packages will 'appear' everywhere as people have a heightened fear of everthing thing around them...
From the latest News conference:
An official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives denies police had found seven explosive devices. The only bombs were the two that exploded, he says. He believes rumours begin as police dealt with suspicious packages.
As a friend of mine said this is the equivalent of a bomb at the St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin for the Bostonians.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 16, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 16, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Suspicious packages will 'appear' everywhere as people have a heightened fear of everthing thing around them...
From the latest News conference:
An official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives denies police had found seven explosive devices. The only bombs were the two that exploded, he says. He believes rumours begin as police dealt with suspicious packages.
I remember that straight after 911 there was a big media kerfuffle over anthrax letters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
The US is great for unfounded rumours allied to political ends.
Quote from: Declan on April 16, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
As a friend of mine said this is the equivalent of a bomb at the St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin for the Bostonians.
Or someone walking into a bar and spraying it with machine gun fire while innocent folk are sitting having a drink, ala many times here. >:(
Quote from: NAG1 on April 16, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Declan on April 16, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
As a friend of mine said this is the equivalent of a bomb at the St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin for the Bostonians.
Or someone walking into a bar and spraying it with machine gun fire while innocent folk are sitting having a drink, ala many times here. >:(
I think Declan's point is that the Boston marathon isn't just any old foot race, it's the most prestigious marathon in the world.
QuoteI think Declan's point is that the Boston marathon isn't just any old foot race, it's the most prestigious marathon in the world.
Correct. That doesn't diminish any other atrocities just putting it into a perspective as to media reaction
More potential gun madness.
Waukesha is a suburb of Milwaukee in Wisconsin.
WAUKESHA - Officials have locked down the Carroll University campus in Waukesha after a report of a man with a firearm.
TODAY'S TMJ4's Jessie Garcia teaches a class on the campus, and Newsradio 620 WTMJ's Jodi Becker was assisting in a class there Tuesday morning.
They both say a text notification went to students' phones. Jessie also said she received the notification.
Jodi tells us the reportedly armed man was seen near the campus' tennis courts.
This was the text that came to students:
"Text from Carroll:: Not a test There is a report of a male with a firearm walking near the tennis courts and the Barstow Building on Barstow. remain indoors until further notice"
A spokesman told TODAY'S TMJ4 that all students were being asked to stay inside.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 16, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 16, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Suspicious packages will 'appear' everywhere as people have a heightened fear of everthing thing around them...
From the latest News conference:
An official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives denies police had found seven explosive devices. The only bombs were the two that exploded, he says. He believes rumours begin as police dealt with suspicious packages.
I remember that straight after 911 there was a big media kerfuffle over anthrax letters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
The US is great for unfounded rumours allied to political ends.
I remember an RTE correspondent reporting on the
JFK AA587 Crash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587) in nov 2001 when she said '
the event bore all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack'. I also remember shouting at the TV '
no it f*cking doesn't!'.
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Iraq/Afghanistan is closer to here than the US? Well maybe you were talking geographically, I have to assume you are certainly not talking culturally. If you were, then in either instance you are wrong. By about 700 miles and a vast cultural difference.
Like it or not, Ireland and the UK are part of a western culture, strongly influenced by America. There was ginormous coverage of the massacre in Norway, the Cumbria shooting, the Connecticut massacre. It certainly isn't a case of American life being worth more in the eyes of the media. The media coverage and public reaction stems from the infrequency and seemingly random nature of these events, in our Western world.
American gun culture is so rampant that we are starting to become desensitized to the news stories, and it only really grabs the nation when it's a classroom of kindergartners rather than a movie theatre full of adults. The frequency of the events starts to dilute the media attention and public outcry that accompanies them. To highlight the point - here are a list of the bombings that Iraq has had to deal with in 2012.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/09/us-iraq-violence-timeline-idUSBRE8880K720120909 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/09/us-iraq-violence-timeline-idUSBRE8880K720120909).
Yesterdays attacks were awful. It was, however, the first time someone blew up the Boston Marathon, and it was also the latest in a long line of attacks by Iraquis, on Iraquis. Is it really reasonable to compare one to the other in order to make a political point?
Horrible events, would love to know what the perpetrators hoped to achieve.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 16, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
It seems to me that an American life is valued more than any other nationality in the world, judging the media and people's reactions (which are driven by the media).
Of course this is an awful tragedy, but it is not on our doorstep as some people have being saying. Iraq/Afghanistan are actually closer to here than the US.
I think people are right to compare other bombings etc to highlight this point.
Iraq/Afghanistan is closer to here than the US? Well maybe you were talking geographically, I have to assume you are certainly not talking culturally. If you were, then in either instance you are wrong. By about 700 miles and a vast cultural difference.
Like it or not, Ireland and the UK are part of a western culture, strongly influenced by America. There was ginormous coverage of the massacre in Norway, the Cumbria shooting, the Connecticut massacre. It certainly isn't a case of American life being worth more in the eyes of the media. The media coverage and public reaction stems from the infrequency and seemingly random nature of these events, in our Western world.
American gun culture is so rampant that we are starting to become desensitized to the news stories, and it only really grabs the nation when it's a classroom of kindergartners rather than a movie theatre full of adults. The frequency of the events starts to dilute the media attention and public outcry that accompanies them. To highlight the point - here are a list of the bombings that Iraq has had to deal with in 2012.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/09/us-iraq-violence-timeline-idUSBRE8880K720120909 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/09/us-iraq-violence-timeline-idUSBRE8880K720120909).
Yesterdays attacks were awful. It was, however, the first time someone blew up the Boston Marathon, and it was also the latest in a long line of attacks by Iraquis, on Iraquis. Is it really reasonable to compare one to the other in order to make a political point?
A lot of work goes into making sure we don't identify with dead brown people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g
Very occasionally someone famous will think about the lunacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxQS9ZOpB70
and it is hard to avoid the hypocrisy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-notes-reactions
What are you talking about? It's not work, cultural difference is what makes the world the world. It's what makes Argentina unique from Aughabrack.
Have the decency to tell it how it is - your reaction on this thread, the guardian opinon piece are all as equally predictable and repeatable as any reaction or opinion they criticise.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
What are you talking about? It's not work, cultural difference is what makes the world the world. It's what makes Argentina unique from Aughabrack.
Have the decency to tell it how it is - your reaction on this thread, the guardian opinon piece are all as equally predictable and repeatable as any reaction or opinion they criticise.
Whatever, Puck. It's no accident that the media focus on certain issues to the exclusion of others.
The US is also a very violent society. Let's just hope that the reaction is measured. Not like 911.
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
Whatever, Seafoid.
Your next door neighbour dies in a car crash. Does it influence you the exact same as a fatal car crash in France? There is no doubt, nor should there be that media is tailored to the population. What did the daily's lead with in Iraq this morning? The bomb in Boston, or the one in Iraq? No brainer. If you're looking for impartiality I dont know what to tell you. It's foolish and naive. The world sucks. It's getting worse by the day and it's never going to get better.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
You're tellin porkies.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 10:45:15 PM
Whatever, Seafoid.
Your next door neighbour dies in a car crash. Does it influence you the exact same as a fatal car crash in France? There is no doubt, nor should there be that media is tailored to the population. What did the daily's lead with in Iraq this morning? The bomb in Boston, or the one in Iraq? No brainer. If you're looking for impartiality I dont know what to tell you. It's foolish and naive. The world sucks. It's getting worse by the day and it's never going to get better.
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
You're tellin porkies.
Did you see that video from Huff Post? It was one of the saddest things I have seen in a long time.
The grunts mostly have no choice. They don't decide on who to fight .
I wouldn't wish his fate on any man especially as he hadn't even started a family.
And his poor wife. And the Army won't even pay for IVF.
All true, no arugments about that, I saw it both times you posted it. It's a nice big juicy stick for the US bashing though, isn't it?
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
What are you talking about? It's not work, cultural difference is what makes the world the world. It's what makes Argentina unique from Aughabrack.
Have the decency to tell it how it is - your reaction on this thread, the guardian opinon piece are all as equally predictable and repeatable as any reaction or opinion they criticise.
Whatever, Puck. It's no accident that the media focus on certain issues to the exclusion of others.
The US is also a very violent society. Let's just hope that the reaction is measured. Not like 911.
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
I think one of the dead is Jewish. That must be considered a result for you ? American and Jewish ::)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 17, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
What are you talking about? It's not work, cultural difference is what makes the world the world. It's what makes Argentina unique from Aughabrack.
Have the decency to tell it how it is - your reaction on this thread, the guardian opinon piece are all as equally predictable and repeatable as any reaction or opinion they criticise.
Whatever, Puck. It's no accident that the media focus on certain issues to the exclusion of others.
The US is also a very violent society. Let's just hope that the reaction is measured. Not like 911.
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
I think one of the dead is Jewish. That must be considered a result for you ? American and Jewish ::)
Mike are you gay for a Jew guy???
3 people died, who gives a flying feck what faith they followed!
Quote from: stew on April 17, 2013, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 17, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 16, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
What are you talking about? It's not work, cultural difference is what makes the world the world. It's what makes Argentina unique from Aughabrack.
Have the decency to tell it how it is - your reaction on this thread, the guardian opinon piece are all as equally predictable and repeatable as any reaction or opinion they criticise.
Whatever, Puck. It's no accident that the media focus on certain issues to the exclusion of others.
The US is also a very violent society. Let's just hope that the reaction is measured. Not like 911.
I don't want to see any more grunts losing their testicles for nothing.
I think one of the dead is Jewish. That must be considered a result for you ? American and Jewish ::)
Mike are you gay for a Jew guy???
3 people died, who gives a flying feck what faith they followed!
It is clear what is going on in this thread. The schadenfraude is undeniable. Seafoid is an known anti-semite and hates Americans with
a passion. I think it is fundamentally wrong to allow him to indulge his race hatreds behind the cloak simplistic whataboutery. If somebody sets off a bomb in Iraq it does not justify killing somebody in Boston.
I think people are just trying to expose our society's mental blind spot when it comes to major tragedies. The media information flow has a lot to do with it but it doesn't mean its not there.
Next to no one thought anything worth talking about the victims of the Iraq bombing the other day but we are almost forced into sympathizing with the Boston victims as the news media feeds us constantly.
Iives ruined in both incidents....is it right to only ponder one I think is the argument. Don't get annoyed about the ugly truth being shown
Lads if the media could put a picture or face of all the dead the americans and british killed in iraq and afghanisatan that hopefully people's views would change.
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/apr/16/boston-bombing-unfinished-race/
http://www.progressive.org/be-cautious-in-wake-of-boston-marathon-bombing
Let's Be Cautious in Wake of Boston Marathon Bombings
By Matthew Rothschild, April 15, 2013
What a horrific tragedy in Boston. The scenes of the carnage are almost unbearable to watch, let alone re-watch. The suffering of the victims—at least three people dead, and more than 175 wounded—and their families is too much even to contemplate. And the nihilism of the attackers, the wanton destruction of innocent lives, is utterly incomprehensible.
But before we leap to conclusions about who did these heinous deeds, we need to be cautious and wait for the evidence to come in.
Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis, understandably under enormous pressure, nonetheless was not helpful when he answered a question about whether the explosions were the result of a terrorist attack.
"We're not being definitive, but you can reach your own conclusions," he told reporters at a press conference.There is no good purpose served by speculation.
And we need to be extremely cautious about taking measures that might curtail our civil liberties in the wake of these bombings.
Our civil liberties have already taken a big enough hit in the post-9/ll era.
In this moment of horror, let us take a couple of deep breaths. Let's let law enforcement figure out who the culprits are and how they managed to wreak their havoc, and let's let them apprehend the culprits.
If we've learned anything after the Oklahoma City bombing and after 9/11, it is that speculation can lead us down the wrong path, and that reacting rashly can have deadly consequences for this country.
One last point, which I didn't put in my posting because I wrote it before President Obama spoke. When he said the culprits will "feel the full weight of justice," I hope he meant that law enforcement will apprehend them and bring them to trial, and not that he will bump them off. Like George W. Bush, Obama has a bad habit of using the word "justice" when his Administration rubs someone out with a drone strike or in the attack on bin Laden.
Quote from: theskull1 on April 17, 2013, 07:19:01 AM
I think people are just trying to expose our society's mental blind spot when it comes to major tragedies. The media information flow has a lot to do with it but it doesn't mean its not there.
Next to no one thought anything worth talking about the victims of the Iraq bombing the other day but we are almost forced into sympathizing with the Boston victims as the news media feeds us constantly.
Iives ruined in both incidents....is it right to only ponder one I think is the argument. Don't get annoyed about the ugly truth being shown
But we get this hand wringing every time something like this happens. Another day, another bombing in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria. People eventually tune out due to the relentlessness. Same as back during the Troubles. Or Israel-Palestine. You can't spend all your time in a state of despair over every atrocity. And its not all about ethnicity or race and not caring because it happens in some other place. Newtown aside, for obvious reasons, how much attention does the average mass killing in the US get now? People shrug and move on, because they feel like its just an everyday occurrence and nothing will ever be done to deal with it.
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/after-the-boston-attack-the-terrible-truth-about-terrorism.premium-1.515957
After the Boston attack: The terrible truth about terrorism
Whatever the final truth about the Boston bombing will turn out to be, it is time to realize a simple, and terrible truth about terrorism: It is there to stay.
By Carlo Strenger | Apr.17, 2013 | 12:44 PM | 1
First my heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims of the Boston Marathon terror attack, and my best wishes for convalescence to the wounded. As many commentators have written already, unfortunately in Israel we have had so much experience with terror attacks that we have developed many ways to cope with it psychologically, practically, in terms of security measures and medically. But the U.S. has already shown its resilience in the face of terror, and I am sure that Boston, a city I cherish, will recover its spirits quickly.
For the time being, nobody knows whether international (presumably jihadist) or domestic (presumably white supremacist) individuals or group perpetrated the Boston attack, even though first indications seem to favor the hypothesis of a domestic attack.
Whatever the final truth will turn out to be, it is time to realize a simple, and terrible truth about terrorism: It is here to stay.
This statement is neither meant to be defeatist, or to argue that we should not do everything in our power to prevent it. It is to say that in the era of global communication networks there will always be individuals or groups who have some grievance they try to address by dramatic acts of destruction that sow fear, confusion, or, in brief: Terror. Legal scholar and strategist Philip Bobbit has argued convincingly that terrorism is the form of war that will be prevalent in the twenty first century. If we do not realize that terrorism will never be eradicated completely, we are bound to make terrible mistakes in fighting it; mistakes that undermine the freedom of our societies, and will do little to actually lower the danger of further terrorism.
Let me summarize a few lessons I have learned in almost a decade of cooperating with leading terrorism researchers in the World Federation of Scientists. First and foremost I learned that terrorism comes in many shapes and variations. Some forms of terrorism are asymmetrical warfare trying to achieve specific goals like self-determination for the Basques, Chechnya or Palestine.
Others have much less clearly-defined goals, and are governed by what historian and psychoanalyst Charles Strozier has called the apocalyptic mindset: The Baader-Meinhoff group in Germany wanted nothing less but to destabilize the German state. White supremacists in the U.S. want nothing less but to turn the U.S. into a "pure" white society. Some Islamists want nothing but less but the revival of the caliphate and Islamic domination of either the whole Middle East or the world as a whole. And some Jewish Messianic groups want nothing less than building the Third Temple in Jerusalem, and an Israel ruled by Biblical Law.
Because terrorism is motivated and generated by very different factors, there is no such thing as a "war on terror" any more than there is such a thing as "the war on illnesses." AIDS needs very different cures and preventions than cancer or flu-pandemics. Similarly, each form of terrorism needs to be studied and fought on its own terms.
The second thing I learned is that there are two basic knee-jerk reactions to terrorism, and that both are wrong in their exclusive emphasis on one element.
Conservatives say, "Terrorists are evil. Never talk to them, only punishment and superior force will defeat terrorism." Liberals say, "Terrorists are human beings. You need to understand their motivations, mostly born out of frustration, perceived injustice and humiliation, and to address their grievances."
Both these knee-jerk reactions have very partial truth and effectiveness. The conservative reaction embodied in George W. Bush's conception of the War on Terror does not realize that most of today's global terror networks cannot as such be defeated, because, unlike armies, they are often not organized as hierarchical chains of commands. Al-Qaida is an organization; but most of all it is a state of mind that pulsates through the Islamic world, primarily in the Internet. The groups that perpetrated 9/11, 7/7 in London and the Madrid bombings were not recruited and trained by a central organization, but organized spontaneously without connection to a central command. This is why killing terrorist leaders will always have limited effectiveness: As long as the jihadist state of mind is growing in the Islamic world, new terror groups will emerge time and again, as former CIA officer and psychiatrist Marc Sageman has shown.
The liberal reaction assumes that the source of all terrorism is to be found in wrongdoings by the West ranging from colonialism to U.S. interference in many areas of the world. But it does not take into account that, in many cases, the grievances, perceived humiliations and injustices cannot be addressed directly. Many of the youngsters who gravitate towards terror networks are incensed by the humiliating fact that much of the Islamic world is way behind the developed world economically, militarily and culturally. Their frustration is aggravated by an enormous youth-bulge in much of the Islamic world. Without any viable hope for a fruitful life, they try to regain dignity and the sense of living a meaningful life by committing to the jihadist cause – a process documented in detail by anthropologist Scott Atran.
The problem with the liberal response is that no form of global social work can address all of these grievances. Islamic societies often experience well-meaning interventions trying to help them to modernize as just another humiliation, and these attempts often cannot cope with these societies' enormous internal complexities. The colossal failures of the U.S. in promoting state building in Afghanistan and Iraq show that the West and the liberal position does not take into account that certain grievances cannot be addressed by any realistic policies: America will not become purely white; the Caliphate will not be reinstated; and the Third Temple will not come from heaven in the Messianic age.
The conclusion from all this is that none of us will ever have a final solution for terrorism. Conservatives are right in saying that we must be vigilant and that, in many cases, there is no way around using violence in combating terrorism. But they are wrong if they think that if you just use enough power, you'll get rid of it. Liberals are right that if we don't try to understand and address the root-causes of terrorism, the War on Terror is bound to generate even more terrorist organizations and acts. But they are wrong in thinking that if we just show enough empathy for terrorists' motivations, they will all become law-abiding citizens.
We would all like terrorism to disappear, but this is wishful thinking. There is no alternative to keeping a clear and cool mind, even in the face of the horror perpetrated by terrorist acts. If we lose our minds, terrorism wins.
Heart-breaking reading in the Times today about the 8 year old who was killed, his sister who has lost a leg and his mother who may be brain damaged. They've Irish connections, have often travelled to Ireland and the daugher was a regular at Irish dancing classes.
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The Story Behind the Pictures
This is the story behind my photo series – To Boston. From Kabul. With Love.
http://principlepictures.com/blog/2013/04/17/the-story-behind-the-pictures/
When I left Boston for Afghanistan nearly 6 weeks ago, it was with some trepidation – the first I've felt after several filming trips here. Why now? Perhaps because the Afghanistan I'm visiting this Spring is not the same as the country I traveled to in 2001/2002, 2006 and 2009. It has experienced a decade of war, and I've seen firsthand how the outlook has changed among so many — from one of cautious hope for a better future to one of grim acceptance that this last painful, protracted period of violence and political upheaval may still not yield freedom from oppression in this country.
Just last week I woke up to frantic emails and texts from home after the worst insurgent attack in the country in over a decade. "Yes, I'm fine. Safe." I wrote to family and friends, assuring them that I was far from the violence. Yesterday, when I grabbed my phone off the bedside table, I thought I was re-reading one of my own texts: "We're ok. And everyone we know is safe." But instead it was a message from my husband, Dennis, assuring me that he and our 5-year-old daughter were fine. Boston. Attacked. It was – still is – hard to comprehend. Like so many others, I have experienced the pure joy – and pain – of crossing the Boston Marathon finish line, and I felt heartbroken for the victims and for our little city. I also felt a deep sense of longing to be home.
I decided I wanted to send some love from 6500 miles away. Before leaving the house where I'm staying, I made the sign, "To Boston. From Kabul. With Love." and planned to take one picture of me holding it. But my intent changed as I talked to people here about what had happened – many had heard the news – and I saw the pain in their faces, and reminders of their own hardships. They said, "I'm so sorry," with that defining head shake that doesn't need another word of explanation; it says, "I understand."
My day was different than others here. I'm in Afghanistan filming WHAT TOMORROW BRINGS, a new documentary focused on the very first girls' school in a very conservative village. But instead of going to the school, I was going to spend the day with CARE International to help evaluate a savings and loan program for a friend who helps to fund it. It was at CARE's Kabul Headquarters that my deepest conversations about our common humanity began as I listened to good and innocent people express the heartache that all us feel when other good and innocent people are suffering.
Frozan Rahmani, a program officer for CARE International, was especially emotional. "Every time I hear about attacks happening," she said, "whether it's in the United States, Pakistan, England or here, I became too sad. All those people had hopes and dreams for their futures. Their parents had hopes and dreams for their futures. It doesn't matter that we experience this more often here. No one should experience any of it ever. It's always the innocent who suffer."
She paused. "I wish there was something I could do."
"There is," I said. "Would you be willing to hold this sign to send a little love from Kabul?"
Click on the following link to view more photos of solidarity from Kabul to Boston
http://principlepictures.com/blog/2013/04/16/to-boston-from-kabul-with-love/
Internet and CSI type tv shows has put people out of their senses. Looking at football365 forum at lunch and posters there have linked photos and posts from other forums where they have looked through photos from Boston and the suspected backpack used.
To date they've identified 3 different "bombers" and posted their faces for the world to see.
Quote from: Bingo on April 17, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Internet and CSI type tv shows has put people out of their senses. Looking at football365 forum at lunch and posters there have linked photos and posts from other forums where they have looked through photos from Boston and the suspected backpack used.
To date they've identified 3 different "bombers" and posted their faces for the world to see.
"There's no justice like mob justice!"
Unbelievable!
That's what's so disturbing about the whole Anonymous thing. No due process whatsoever. Just lives ruined, rightly or wrongly.
News breaking that they have suspect on video.
And CNN saying someone's been arrested.
Quote from: Bingo on April 17, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Internet and CSI type tv shows has put people out of their senses. Looking at football365 forum at lunch and posters there have linked photos and posts from other forums where they have looked through photos from Boston and the suspected backpack used.
To date they've identified 3 different "bombers" and posted their faces for the world to see.
Lots of analysis of possible suspects on reddit :
http://www.reddit.com/r/findbostonbombers
http://www.reddit.com/r/findbostonbombers/comments/1cii4n/blue_robe_guy/
http://mashable.com/2013/04/17/reddit-finding-boston-bomber/
A CNN source is saying that no arrest has happened.
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 17, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
A CNN source is saying that no arrest has happened.
Their website is still claiming an arrest has been made!
Fox and CNN were both saying arrest but they are backing away from that now.
Boston Courthouse has been evacuated...
I suppose nobody claiming responsibility means an American psycho is responsible rather than al quaeda or similar organisations.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 17, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I suppose nobody claiming responsibility means an American psycho is responsible rather than al quaeda or similar organisations.
Another anti-American rant, when will you people realise that the Muslamics are to blame?
Someone being interviewed in the US saying 'don't attack America,you will awake a sleeping giant !?!
Quote from: trileacman on April 17, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 17, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I suppose nobody claiming responsibility means an American psycho is responsible rather than al quaeda or similar organisations.
Another anti-American rant, when will you people realise that the Muslamics are to blame?
FFS we don't know who did this!
You are worse than he is with that statement.
Quote from: stew on April 17, 2013, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 17, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 17, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I suppose nobody claiming responsibility means an American psycho is responsible rather than al quaeda or similar organisations.
Another anti-American rant, when will you people realise that the Muslamics are to blame?
FFS we don't know who did this!
You are worse than he is with that statement.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing)
Israeli police head to US to aid in Boston Marathon bombing investigation
http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investigation-boston-009/
The investigation into Monday's deadly bombing at the Boston Marathon has officially gone international: law enforcement officials from Israel have been sent to the United States to assist in the probe.
Israel Police Chief Yohanan Danino says he has dispatched officials to Boston, Massachusetts, where they will meet with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and other authorities, the Times of Israel Reports.
Citing an earlier report published by the newspaper Maariv, Times of Israel writes that Danino has dispatched police officers to participate in discussions that "will center on the Boston Marathon bombings and deepening professional cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both countries."
The paper reports that Israeli law enforcement planned the trip before the deadly pair of bombings on Monday that has so far claimed three lives, but the discussions will now shift focus in order to see how help from abroad can expand the investigation.
In an address made Tuesday, Israel President Shimon Peres said that tragedies such as this week's incident in Boston, sadly, bring people together from across the world.
"When it comes to events like this, all of us are one family. We feel a part of the people who paid such a high price. God bless them," Peres said. "Today the real problem is terror, and terror is not an extension of policy: Their policy is terror, their policy is to threaten. Terrorists divide people, they kill innocent people."
Around 20 hours after two bombs detonated near the finish line of the annual race, United States President Barack Obama went on record to condemn the tragedy as a terrorist attack.
"This was a heinous and cowardly act," said Obama from the White House, "and given what we now know the FBI is investigating it as an act of terrorism."
But even as officials come to assist from as far away as Israel, authorities are still in the dark as far as finding any leads in the case. Pres. Obama has directed the FBI and US Department of Homeland Security to assist in the investigation, but no agencies have identified suspects or motives at this time.
Pres. Obama has also said that his administration has been directed to implement "appropriate security measures to protect the American people," but details as to what that could mean remain scarce. Meanwhile, at least one leading lawmaker is asking for the US to respond to the terrorist attack by increasing the scope of the ever-expanding surveillance program already growing across the United States.
"I do think we need more cameras," Rep. Peter King (R-New York) told MSNBC after Monday's attacks. "We have to stay ahead of the terrorists and I do know in New York, the Manhattan Security Initiative, which is based on cameras, the outstanding work that results from that. So yes, I do favor more cameras. They're a great law enforcement device. And again, it keeps us ahead of the terrorists, who are constantly trying to kill us."
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has also confirmed that he has dispatched law enforcement officers from the Big Apple to assist in the investigation by meeting with agents at a Boston fusion center, one of the DHS-funded data facilities that collects surveillance camera footage and other evidence in order to analyze events like Monday's attack.
"We are certainly engaged in the information flow with the FBI through our Joint Terrorism Task Force. We have two New York City police officers, police sergeants, who are in the Boston Regional Intelligence Center," Bloomberg said on Tuesday. "They're up there, they've been up there since last evening."
But in a study conducted last year by the Senate's bipartisan Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, lawmakers found that those fusion centers have been more or less unhelpful in assisting with terrorism probes.
The Department of Homeland Security's work with state and local fusion centers, the subcommittee wrote, "has not produced useful intelligence to support federal counterterrorism efforts." Instead, they added, so-called "intelligence" shared between facilities consisted of tidbits of shoddy quality that was often outdated and "sometimes endangering [to] citizen's civil liberties and Privacy Act protections."
"More often than not," the panel added, information collected and shared at DHS fusion centers was "unrelated to terrorism."
Video of the two suspects released
http://deadspin.com/the-fbi-is-seeking-these-two-suspects-in-the-boston-mar-476330910?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22209841 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22209841)
Another terrible bombing in Baghad today - 27 dead, 2 children.
Quote from: Minder on April 18, 2013, 10:35:32 PM
Video of the two suspects released
http://deadspin.com/the-fbi-is-seeking-these-two-suspects-in-the-boston-mar-476330910?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
These boys A-rabs?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 18, 2013, 10:35:32 PM
Video of the two suspects released
http://deadspin.com/the-fbi-is-seeking-these-two-suspects-in-the-boston-mar-476330910?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
These boys A-rabs?
Don't look like farm boys from Texas anyways.......
Some mad shit going on in Boston at the moment, policeman shot dead at MIT, explosives thrown at police & one suspect arrested. Big search ongoing for the second one.
All over the BBC news now one of the suspects is dead the other on the loose in the locality of MIT.
One Police man dead and another seriously wounded.
Would be better to get the **** alive to get some information out of him by what ever means.
I think you mean waterboarding
Quote from: EC Unique on April 19, 2013, 09:36:56 AM
Would be better to get the **** alive to get some information out of him by what ever means.
I'd have no doubt this is the plan but by looks/sounds of it, these pair where prepared to fight whatever came with them.
I only hope he hasn't broke into one of the households in the area and is currently held up with hostages.
Strange set up with this lad going missing. If they are the bombers, as it appears likely, I'd have thought they'd be well clear of Boston by now.
http://americanlivewire.com/mike-mulugeta-sunil-tripathi/
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
They are reporting that this missing student isn't the suspect.
Quote from: Bingo on April 19, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
They are reporting that this missing student isn't the suspect.
All you need now is some vigilante taking out the wrong person because of this wall to wall coverage almost in real time and not always accurate!!
Quote from: johnneycool on April 19, 2013, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: Bingo on April 19, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
They are reporting that this missing student isn't the suspect.
All you need now is some vigilante taking out the wrong person because of this wall to wall coverage almost in real time and not always accurate!!
Was very likely with the Internet detectives involved.
Some mad reporting of this manhunt on twitter and internet forums - all listening into the Boston EMS scanner on TuneIn and getting real time updates.
Twitter is something like this at the minute....
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the town of watertown is now in lockdown
Crazy shit.
I think America owes Islam an apology.
According to the scanners they have him.
AP reporting suspects from checnya
Quote from: Bingo on April 19, 2013, 11:17:48 AM
According to the scanners they have him.
Seems now they still looking. Hard to follow when you only check in every once in a while.
What's story with those scanners, how are they not scrambled?
AP sources identify the surviving Boston bomber as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The man is said to be from Russia's south, not far from the Chechen Republic.
The man reportedly lived in Turkey before arriving legally in the US about a year ago.
The name is listed among the recipients of Cambridge scholarships in 2011.
The second suspect is said to be his brother.
An NBC report claims the two immigrated at least two years ago. Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
Quote from: ballinaman on April 19, 2013, 11:58:26 AM
What's story with those scanners, how are they not scrambled?
AP sources identify the surviving Boston bomber as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The man is said to be from Russia's south, not far from the Chechen Republic.
The man reportedly lived in Turkey before arriving legally in the US about a year ago.
The name is listed among the recipients of Cambridge scholarships in 2011.
The second suspect is said to be his brother.
An NBC report claims the two immigrated at least two years ago. Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Apparently the FBI and other agencies have theirs blocked or the like but this technology is expensive, so alot of the normal emergencies services ie Police, Fire, Ambulance don't bother and just get on with it.
A simple search on TuneIn has them all listed.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
How so Leo?
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
By all accounts this Sunil lad is missing over a month and has either committed suicide or is somehwere where he doesn't want to be found. I don't think the mob will get to him and its well reported now that he isn't one of the suspects.
Have been listening to scanner most of the morning. Seems to be quit a few sightings, they all seem to be in and around the same area. Also seems they have had a controlled explosion on a supposed pipe bomb that was found.
so this Mike Mulugeta fella, is he dead in a shoot out or not now?
Is he a Russian?
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia,
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
How so Leo?
In the current heightened state of alert with the amount of crowd sourcing going on I would have thought that naming a couple of innocent people as the bombers was tantamount to sending out a lynch mob.
According to the Police press conference which just ended:
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia, NBC added.
The two brothers are thought to be ethnic Chechens, but are not said to have lived in the area in recent years.
Information is beginning to emerge about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the Boston marathon bombings. He and his brother are said to be from an area of Russia close to war-torn Chechnya - but have lived in the US for at least a year.
However earlier reports are naming 2 different people :
http://americanlivewire.com/mike-mulugeta-sunil-tripathi/
Sunil Tripathi is the kid in the white hat at the marathon. He is the suspect supposedly still on the run. Sunil Tripathi was the Brown University student who went missing around March 15. Family and police had feared that it was a suicide case.
Mike Mulugeta had posted on his Twitter account (@mikemulugeta) about people not understanding someone in pain, and that he could hide it better than others. He also appeared to be blindsided by an exam on March 23. Perhaps he had been spending too much time plotting bombings and not studying for school.
By outing him and Mike Mulugeta as the bombers they would have been a target for a lynch mob until the actual bombers are found.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
How so Leo?
In the current heightened state of alert with the amount of crowd sourcing going on I would have thought that naming a couple of innocent people as the bombers was tantamount to sending out a lynch mob.
According to the Police press conference which just ended:
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia, NBC added.
The two brothers are thought to be ethnic Chechens, but are not said to have lived in the area in recent years.
Information is beginning to emerge about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the Boston marathon bombings. He and his brother are said to be from an area of Russia close to war-torn Chechnya - but have lived in the US for at least a year.
However earlier reports are naming 2 different people :
http://americanlivewire.com/mike-mulugeta-sunil-tripathi/
Sunil Tripathi is the kid in the white hat at the marathon. He is the suspect supposedly still on the run. Sunil Tripathi was the Brown University student who went missing around March 15. Family and police had feared that it was a suicide case.
Mike Mulugeta had posted on his Twitter account (@mikemulugeta) about people not understanding someone in pain, and that he could hide it better than others. He also appeared to be blindsided by an exam on March 23. Perhaps he had been spending too much time plotting bombings and not studying for school.
By outing him and Mike Mulugeta as the bombers they would have been a target for a lynch mob until the actual bombers are found.
Id say the authorities took a judgement call they obviously had no record of the suspects when they couldnt recognise them from their video footage and had to go public to get correct identifications.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: mick999 on April 19, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
Looks like the 2 suspects names were picked up from police scanner, One of them dead according to reports :
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40mikemulugeta&src=typd
The other still missing..
It turns out that his family had been searching for one of them since March 16th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c1Ecru5RLdk
https://twitter.com/findingsunny
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=help+us+find+sunil+tripathi&d=4800958371725771&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=nld1_cZ9TIaHOQiAMeSeWxqLMiqIiDje
Suspects are supposedly Russian / Chechyn. Sunil is a missing (East) Indian and now he is being set up for a bit of mob justice.
How so Leo?
In the current heightened state of alert with the amount of crowd sourcing going on I would have thought that naming a couple of innocent people as the bombers was tantamount to sending out a lynch mob.
According to the Police press conference which just ended:
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia, NBC added.
The two brothers are thought to be ethnic Chechens, but are not said to have lived in the area in recent years.
Information is beginning to emerge about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the Boston marathon bombings. He and his brother are said to be from an area of Russia close to war-torn Chechnya - but have lived in the US for at least a year.
However earlier reports are naming 2 different people :
http://americanlivewire.com/mike-mulugeta-sunil-tripathi/
Sunil Tripathi is the kid in the white hat at the marathon. He is the suspect supposedly still on the run. Sunil Tripathi was the Brown University student who went missing around March 15. Family and police had feared that it was a suicide case.
Mike Mulugeta had posted on his Twitter account (@mikemulugeta) about people not understanding someone in pain, and that he could hide it better than others. He also appeared to be blindsided by an exam on March 23. Perhaps he had been spending too much time plotting bombings and not studying for school.
By outing him and Mike Mulugeta as the bombers they would have been a target for a lynch mob until the actual bombers are found.
Id say the authorities took a judgement call they obviously had no record of the suspects when they couldnt recognise them from their video footage and had to go public to get correct identifications.
I have no problem with their asking for public help. My issue is with the people publicly naming those they suspect on public forums rather than reporting their suspicions to the appropriate authorities
And the first two names bandied about have turned out to be incorrect!!
Quote from: johnneycool on April 19, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
And the first two names bandied about have turned out to be incorrect!!
But were the named publicly by the authorities or was that on Twittershpere?
I think the authorities have still yet to name the suspect and that it is Reuters that have named the two boys as brother, no?
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 19, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
And the first two names bandied about have turned out to be incorrect!!
But were the named publicly by the authorities or was that on Twittershpere?
I think the authorities have still yet to name the suspect and that it is Reuters that have named the two boys as brother, no?
Named by the twittersphere going ape-shit.
To be honest I hate this new form of communication. There was alot to be said for the days when we waited for the proper authorities to collate the evidence and release proper information at the appropriate time.
Listening to police scanners and identifying innocent people as murderers and terrorists on a raft of hunches and farcical notions is madness. The people and websites involved should be ashamed. I hope some of them get the lawsuit that their reckless actions deserve.
Are we really that desperate to be ahead of the curve that we have to resort to this?
Quote from: trileacman on April 19, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 19, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
And the first two names bandied about have turned out to be incorrect!!
But were the named publicly by the authorities or was that on Twittershpere?
I think the authorities have still yet to name the suspect and that it is Reuters that have named the two boys as brother, no?
Named by the twittersphere going ape-shit.
To be honest I hate this new form of communication. There was alot to be said for the days when we waited for the proper authorities to collate the evidence and release proper information at the appropriate time.
Listening to police scanners and identifying innocent people as murderers and terrorists on a raft of hunches and farcical notions is madness. The people and websites involved should be ashamed. I hope some of them get the lawsuit that their reckless actions deserve.
Are we really that desperate to be ahead of the curve that we have to resort to this?
Well said. Naming someone who has probably already committed suicide as a suspect is despicable. It's no better than the NoTW hacking into Millie dowler's phone after she was already dead.
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Why he would be "needed this time"
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Why he would be "needed this time"
I think the original point was that he wasnt or that he wouldnt have been ::) At least with suspect one!
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Why he would be "needed this time"
I think the original point was that he wasnt or that he wouldnt have been ::) At least with suspect one!
This is going right over my head. ???
Is Benny saying that it is in someones interest to have the suspects (our modern day LHO) bumped off?
Or why would the suspect being alive necessitate some modern day Jack Ruby killing them before they could talk?
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Why he would be "needed this time"
I think the original point was that he wasnt or that he wouldnt have been ::) At least with suspect one!
This is going right over my head. ???
Is Benny saying that it is in someones interest to have the suspects (our modern day LHO) bumped off?
Or why would the suspect being alive necessitate some modern day Jack Ruby killing them before they could talk?
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
Is he saying these kids are "patsies" and are going to assassinated to hide the real story?
Based on past postings, I think any steps the US authorities take will be met with accusations of cover up and conspiracy from the likes of Benny Cake.
Too many with too much time on their
hands on this site
(http://www.spikemagazine.com/reviews/onion.jpg)
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia,
So who are Mike Mulugeta and Sunil Tripathi ?
I haven't had time to be following this much today so just dipping in and out.
Quote from: laoislad on April 19, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver's license, officials told NBC News. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia,
So who are Mike Mulugeta and Sunil Tripathi ?
I haven't had time to be following this much today so just dipping in and out.
Two people wrongly identified on-line because they own white baseball hats.
I wonder what the motive is if they are Chechen. Wouldn't it make more sense to attack Russia?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
Well in fairness he did bomb the fcuk out of the Boston marathon, killed and maimed innocent, men, women and children, kill a cop, hold up a 7 11 , kidnap a man, stole his car and admitted they were the bombers, oh yeah, the dead sc**bag innocently had bombs strapped to his body.
Conspiracy theorists are mighty craic altogether.
Quote from: stew on April 19, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
Well in fairness he did bomb the fcuk out of the Boston marathon, killed and maimed innocent, men, women and children, kill a cop, hold up a 7 11 , kidnap a man, stole his car and admitted they were the bombers, oh yeah, the dead sc**bag innocently had bombs strapped to his body.
Conspiracy theorists are mighty craic altogether.
So he is convicted already :-\
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 19, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: stew on April 19, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
Well in fairness he did bomb the fcuk out of the Boston marathon, killed and maimed innocent, men, women and children, kill a cop, hold up a 7 11 , kidnap a man, stole his car and admitted they were the bombers, oh yeah, the dead sc**bag innocently had bombs strapped to his body.
Conspiracy theorists are mighty craic altogether.
So he is convicted already :-\
Eh no he is dead already!
Quote from: stew on April 19, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
Well in fairness he did bomb the fcuk out of the Boston marathon, killed and maimed innocent, men, women and children, kill a cop, hold up a 7 11 , kidnap a man, stole his car and admitted they were the bombers, oh yeah, the dead sc**bag innocently had bombs strapped to his body.
Conspiracy theorists are mighty craic altogether.
They admitted they were the bombers?
What's going on at all? How is this guy evading the coppers? He really doesn't look like a criminal mastermind but appearances can be deceptive I suppose.
This is taking so long, he's probably managed to swim home to Chechnya by now.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
Stew seems to think they are, there is probably a good chance that they could be guilty but there has already two people wrongly accused, caution needed here I would think. There has been enough high profile cases of wrongly accused people in Ireland for people not to jump to conclusions.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 19, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
Stew seems to think they are, there is probably a good chance that they could be guilty but there has already two people wrongly accused, caution needed here I would think. There has been enough high profile cases of wrongly accused people in Ireland for people not to jump to conclusions.
The dead lad was guilty, he and the other lad admitted it to the driver they kidnapped, he died with bombs strapped to his body, his uncle has asked the tr**p that's still alive to give himself up and beg forgiveness.
I think you're right on a level. I also think that the rapid increase in domestic and foreign terrorist acts throughout the world are making it incredibly difficult to exercise caution, and I understand that completely.
Quote from: stew on April 19, 2013, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 19, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
Stew seems to think they are, there is probably a good chance that they could be guilty but there has already two people wrongly accused, caution needed here I would think. There has been enough high profile cases of wrongly accused people in Ireland for people not to jump to conclusions.
The dead lad was guilty, he and the other lad admitted it to the driver they kidnapped, he died with bombs strapped to his body, his uncle has asked the tr**p that's still alive to give himself up and beg forgiveness.
Spoke to the driver, did you? Just wait and let the truth come out ffs.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
I know I've referenced The Onion's Our Dumb Century already this afternoon, but it puts it better than any amount of contemporary links:
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Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 19, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:29:59 PM
No, they aren't convicted already. They ain't looking like Sacco and Vanzetti however.
Stew seems to think they are, there is probably a good chance that they could be guilty but there has already two people wrongly accused, caution needed here I would think. There has been enough high profile cases of wrongly accused people in Ireland for people not to jump to conclusions.
Remember the time a paediatrician was attacked in England because the Sun ran a campaign against paedophiles. Mobs are dangerous especially when they are full of really stupid people.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
I think you're right on a level. I also think that the rapid increase in domestic and foreign terrorist acts throughout the world are making it incredibly difficult to exercise caution, and I understand that completely.
During the troubles the Guildford and Birmingham bombings would have been seen as foreign terrorist acts to many (I know many would argue on the syntax of the wording of the act e.g. terrorism/freedom fighting/domestic/foreign etc).
I don't remember them attacks but I'm sure there was the same outrage/panic/anger etc as now with Boston. However, one thing it should have taught us, is not to jump to conclusions (even though they are very easy to reach).
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
The words Nail and Head come to mind.
So what's the odds this other guy will survive? I'm guessing one zillion to one. For the reasons explained above by Nag.
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2013, 04:55:08 PM
Remember the time a paediatrician was attacked in England because the Sun ran a campaign against paedophiles. Mobs are dangerous because they are full of really stupid people.
Fixed that for you.
An example of jumping to conclusions closer to home for those of us on this board: how many of us were told with certainty that the man in the X case was Paddy Cullen? It was one of RTÉ Sport's finest hours that they had him on the next edition of The Sunday Game, to let people know that what they had heard from the man in the pub was wrong.
I think that's a fair point. I guess I believe that Guilford and Birmingham was very much at the start of the curve for such atrocities with scant regard for collateral damage and human life. It has only grown exponentially since then, both in frequency and in intensity. I don't know how you effectively police against people who strap explosives to themselves, and are determined to take as many people with them as they can, while at the same time exercising caution in a city the size of Boston and trying to protect the general population vs a small number of unlucky/badly profiled/correctly profiled suspects. I don't know how its possible. It has to be suggested that the situation arises because the evil actions of a few, and action taken in the immediate aftermath isn't just taken for laughs.
All that can be done is for people to be vigilant, let the authorties do their job and hope that there is no lynch mob gathering where innocent people could be caught up in
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
I think that's a fair point. I guess I believe that Guilford and Birmingham was very much at the start of the curve for such atrocities with scant regard for collateral damage and human life. It has only grown exponentially since then, both in frequency and in intensity. I don't know how you effectively police against people who strap explosives to themselves, and are determined to take as many people with them as they can, while at the same time exercising caution in a city the size of Boston and trying to protect the general population vs a small number of unlucky/badly profiled/correctly profiled suspects. I don't know how its possible. It has to be suggested that the situation arises because the evil actions of a few, and action taken in the immediate aftermath isn't just taken for laughs.
Calm the f**k down, that's how.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
The words Nail and Head come to mind.
So what's the odds this other guy will survive? I'm guessing one zillion to one. For the reasons explained above by Nag.
Are you saying that is in the authorities best interests that he doesn't survive or are you playing devils advocate?
I thought I joined a GAA forum, not the Irish branch of the Illuminati Hunters.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
The words Nail and Head come to mind.
So what's the odds this other guy will survive? I'm guessing one zillion to one. For the reasons explained above by Nag.
Are you saying that is in the authorities best interests that he doesn't survive or are you playing devils advocate?
His ass is grass! There is something stink about all of this, it just has a wrong feeling to it!
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Are you saying that is in the authorities best interests that he doesn't survive or are you playing devils advocate?
He won't live, and that will suit the US government, FBI, CIA etc etc. They can say what they like about them. All the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Expect to see a new law introduced in the next few days, like the Patriot Act days after 9/11. Of course, most people won't know about it, because they'll be deliberately distracted from it. And those who do know about it, will think it's a good thing, to protect our freedom and our liberty. The usual dung.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
Agreed, the Waco explosion needed far more coverage, particularly by American news stations, but nothing grabs the public's attention like a manhunt; telling someone terrible zoning practices and poor oversight caused an incident is alway going to be less exciting than a 'mad man' on the loose.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Are you saying that is in the authorities best interests that he doesn't survive or are you playing devils advocate?
He won't live, and that will suit the US government, FBI, CIA etc etc. They can say what they like about them. All the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Expect to see a new law introduced in the next few days, like the Patriot Act days after 9/11. Of course, most people won't know about it, because they'll be deliberately distracted from it. And those who do know about it, will think it's a good thing, to protect our freedom and our liberty. The usual dung.
Luckily you'll be here to keep us informed Benny.
Unless they come for you first....
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on April 19, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Are you saying that is in the authorities best interests that he doesn't survive or are you playing devils advocate?
He won't live, and that will suit the US government, FBI, CIA etc etc. They can say what they like about them. All the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Expect to see a new law introduced in the next few days, like the Patriot Act days after 9/11. Of course, most people won't know about it, because they'll be deliberately distracted from it. And those who do know about it, will think it's a good thing, to protect our freedom and our liberty. The usual dung.
It has already started.......
http://rt.com/usa/congress-house-bill-cispa-031/
The US House of Representatives has passed the controversial Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protect Act (CISPA).
Lawmakers in the House voted 288-to-127 Thursday afternoon to accept the bill. Next it will move to the Senate and could then end up on the desk of US President Barack Obama for him to potentially sign the bill into law. Earlier this week, though, senior White House advisers said they would recommend the president veto the bill.
Should CISPA earn the president's autograph, private businesses will be encouraged to voluntarily share cyberthreat information with the US government. The authors of the bill say this is an effort to better combat the reportedly increasing attempts to harm America's critical computer networks and pilfer the systems of private companies for intellectual property and other sensitive trade secrets.
One of the bill's creators, Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Maryland), said during a round of debate on Wednesday that $400 billion worth of American trade secrets are being stolen by US companies every year. Passing CISPA, he said, would be a common sense solution to a threat that's growing at an alarming rate.
"If your house is being robbed, you call 911 and the police department comes. That's the same scenario we are looking at here," he said.
Also testifying Wednesday, Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Florida) said CISPA could be used to combat the 25 million cybercrime victims she claims are targeted every day.
That same day, CISPA co-author Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Michigan) stressed that his bill doesn't extend any extra surveillance powers to the federal government, despite condemnation from critics that say exactly that. "It does something very simple: it allows the government to share zeroes and ones with the private sector," he said. Rather, he called it "a critical bipartisan first step for enabling American's private sector to defend itself" and "improves cybersecurity without compromising our civil liberties."
"We have yet to find a single United States company that opposes this bill," said Rep. Rogers.
But companies do in fact oppose CISPA, including a number of entities that carry a good deal of clout around both Silicon Valley and inside the beltway. Just last month Facebook rescinded their support of the act, according to Cnet's Declan McCullagh, because a spokesperson for the social media site says they prefer a legislative "balance" that ensures "the privacy of our users."
After CISPA was unsuccessfully introduced to Congress last year — only to stall in the Senate — Microsoft endorsed the act only to eventually do an about-face.
"Microsoft believes that any proposed legislation should facilitate the voluntary sharing of cyber threat information in a manner that allows us to honor the privacy and security promises we make to our customers," the company's Scott Charney told McCullagh at the time.
But just last week, TechNet President Rey Ramsey sent a letter to Reps. Rogers and Ruppersberger saying his group thinks CISPA "recognizes the need for effective cybersecurity legislation that encourages voluntary, bi-directional, real time sharing of actionable cyberthreat information to protect networks," but that further work may be needed. TechNet's Executive Council includes Yahoo's Marissa Mayer, Google's Eric Schmidt and Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith.
Web browser makers Mozilla oppose the bill, as does the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the American Civil Liberties Union, and last year's attempt to pass CISPA after it was unveiled for a first time prompted the White House to issue a veto warning then. In the months since the bill stalled in the Senate, though, the president has on his own part urged Congress to adopt a new cybersecurity bill.
CISPA 101: Originally introduced in late-2011, CISPA passed the House but never advanced to a full Senate vote after massive public campaigns waged against the bill. It's authors say CISPA will "provide for the sharing of certain cyber threat intelligence and cyber threat information between the intelligence community and cybersecurity entities" by encouraging private companies such as Google, Facebook and others to hand over to the government any data that could be used to combat cyberattacks. Critics of the bill say its language is too broad, though, and allows federal agencies to access too much personal information.
In February, Pres. Obama signed an executive order that urges his administration to begin working towards improving cybersecurity protections until Congress can craft a bill. Hours later, he said during his annual State of the Union address how imperative legislation action is.
"Earlier today, I signed a new executive order that will strengthen our cyber defenses by increasing information sharing, and developing standards to protect our national security, our jobs and our privacy. Now, Congress must act as well, by passing legislation to give our government a greater capacity to secure our networks and deter attacks," the president said.
But in the veto threat extended by his office earlier this week, the White House writes, "the Administration still seeks additional improvements and if the bill, as currently crafted, were presented to the President, his senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-California) corroborated on that statement during Thursday's pre-vote discussion, vowing to cast her ballot against CISPA because it did not, in her opinion, protect the privacy of Americans to the degree it should.
"I'm disappointed," said the congresswoman, "that we did not address some of the concerns mentioned by the White House about personal information. Unfortunately, it offers no policies and did not allow any amendments or real solution that upholds Americans' right to privacy."
CISPA, added Pelosi, provides "overly broad liability protections and immunity to the businesses that violate our liberties," and fails to strike a "crucial balance between security and liberty."
But elsewhere during Thursday's debate, another elected lawmaker cited national security concerns as paramount to these privacy woes. Speaking before his congressional colleagues, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas) said this week's deadly terrorist attack in Boston are reason enough to pass a cybersecurity bill, despite lacing evidence that the pair of bombs detonated Monday at the Boston Marathon were acts of cyberterror.
"Recent events in Boston demonstrate that we have to come together as Republicans and Democrats" in order to pass a bill that will strengthen national security, McCaul (R-Texas) said Thursday morning.
"In the case of Boston," said McCaul, "there were real bombs."
"In this case, they are digital bombs — and these digital bombs are on their way."
Another lawmaker, Rep. Dan Maffei (D-New York), said CISPA was necessary to protect the US against "independent groups like WikiLeaks," adding unfounded claims that the whistleblower website is "taking very aggressive measures to hack into" US computer networks.
Other noteworthy statements that came out of this week's CISPA debate include one quip from Rep. Candice Miller (R-Michigan), who said Wednesday that the billl "helps us fulfill every one of the responsibilities mandated on us by the US Constitution."
"I believe strongly that you should have constitutional concerns about not passing this bill," said Rep. Miller.
"By supporting CISPA, we move to fulfill our oath" to protect the American people, added Rep. William Enyart (D-Illinois).
As news broke Thursday afternoon that CISPA cleared the House, opponents took to social media to sound out. The EFF responded by saying the House "shamefully" passed, "undermining the privacy of millions of Internet users."
When Rep. Ruppersberger reintroduced CISPA at the start of this congressional season, he evoked the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 to suggest that Congress can and will do whatever is necessary in the wake of another tragedy.
"We don't do anything well after a significant emotional event," said Ruppersberger. Should there be a cyberattack on America on par with 9/11, Congress "will get all the bills passed we want," he said
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
I disagree. The Waco story was wall to wall yesterday afternoon 12PST when I was in a department store making a rather lengthy purchase. For a whole hour, it was all Waco. Overnight in Boston there have been major developments that have grown/changed/modified the story.
Is there any basis for surprise at this? Or indignation? To suggest Waco is way down the list is I think pushing an agenda that doesn't really exist (unless one's looking very very hard for it).
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 06:50:29 PMAll the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Tell us what really happened on 9/11. Was it the CIA, Mossad, the Illuminati?
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 06:50:29 PMAll the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Tell us what really happened on 9/11. Was it the CIA, Mossad, the Illuminati?
That's for another day, dec.
J70, I think giverherdixie's post confirms what I said. Isn't it strange how these new laws are just waiting to be rolled out, just a couple of days after such events?
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
I disagree. The Waco story was wall to wall yesterday afternoon 12PST when I was in a department store making a rather lengthy purchase. For a whole hour, it was all Waco. Overnight in Boston there have been major developments that have grown/changed/modified the story.
Is there any basis for surprise at this? Or indignation? To suggest Waco is way down the list is I think pushing an agenda that doesn't really exist (unless one's looking very very hard for it).
I was speaking in terms of the news here Puck. Today on BBC it is hardly even mentioned, with little to no interviews of people who survived. I aint pushing any agenda, just pointing out how a major explosion with 5 times the loss of life over Boston is pushed way down the list.
Im just making an observation here but there's not much in the news about the 27 people killed in a cafe bomb attack in Baghdad yesterday!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22209841
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2013, 07:47:56 PM
Im just making an observation here but there's not much in the news about the 27 people killed in a cafe bomb attack in Baghdad yesterday!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22209841
what a coincidence they brought that law in this week. How was the usa reduced to a security state run for the benefit of plutocrats? Nobody shouted "stop".
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2013, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 19, 2013, 07:47:56 PM
Im just making an observation here but there's not much in the news about the 27 people killed in a cafe bomb attack in Baghdad yesterday!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22209841
what a coincidence they brought that law in this week. How was the usa reduced to a security state run for the benefit of plutocrats? Nobody shouted "stop".
It was introduced back in the house in February.
Allegations been made now that the bombers were copying a video game 'call of duty'?
Quote from: highorlow on April 19, 2013, 08:10:52 PM
Allegations been made now that the bombers were copying a video game 'call of duty'?
Ah, the VG excuse, as reliable as the transition of the moon after high profile violent incidents.
I only wish the media chose some actually-good games to blame, do terrorists only play crappy games? No Bioshock fans in the jihadist communities? Sure it's all about the bloody collapse of an Ayn Rand-inspired utopia under the pressure of unrestrained capitalism and consumerism, it sounds right up the alley of any would-be bomb thrower or media outlet.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
I disagree. The Waco story was wall to wall yesterday afternoon 12PST when I was in a department store making a rather lengthy purchase. For a whole hour, it was all Waco. Overnight in Boston there have been major developments that have grown/changed/modified the story.
Is there any basis for surprise at this? Or indignation? To suggest Waco is way down the list is I think pushing an agenda that doesn't really exist (unless one's looking very very hard for it).
I was speaking in terms of the news here Puck. Today on BBC it is hardly even mentioned, with little to no interviews of people who survived. I aint pushing any agenda, just pointing out how a major explosion with 5 times the loss of life over Boston is pushed way down the list.
But that was an industrial accident. Happens all over the world every month and is generally accepted as an inevitable, if regrettable, part of modern life, same as car accidents and pollution. On the other hand, major international cities are not shut down by the police every day to accommodate a manhunt for a kid who just bombed a marathon. There is a hierarchy to newsworthiness.
tv news (cnbc again) pushing hard the Chechnya Muslim angle.
It is a bit strange to me that the population of greater Boston (4.5M people same as the 26 counties) are being asked to stay at home under lock down to find a 17 year old student...
Quote from: J70 on April 19, 2013, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 19, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 19, 2013, 06:41:57 PM
I have been following most of this story on the news over the past 12 hours, as I have not been near the internet. However, one thing that is very clear, the Boston incident has been top news steadily for days now, and the Waco explosion is way down the list. 14 people are dead there, and it is 3rd or 4th in the news reporting.
I disagree. The Waco story was wall to wall yesterday afternoon 12PST when I was in a department store making a rather lengthy purchase. For a whole hour, it was all Waco. Overnight in Boston there have been major developments that have grown/changed/modified the story.
Is there any basis for surprise at this? Or indignation? To suggest Waco is way down the list is I think pushing an agenda that doesn't really exist (unless one's looking very very hard for it).
I was speaking in terms of the news here Puck. Today on BBC it is hardly even mentioned, with little to no interviews of people who survived. I aint pushing any agenda, just pointing out how a major explosion with 5 times the loss of life over Boston is pushed way down the list.
But that was an industrial accident. Happens all over the world every month and is generally accepted as an inevitable, if regrettable, part of modern life, same as car accidents and pollution. On the other hand, major international cities are not shut down by the police every day to accommodate a manhunt for a kid who just bombed a marathon. There is a hierarchy to newsworthiness.
+1.
This is why the surfing dog is at the end of the news and not the start.
I find myself in the shocking position of agreeing with Ramzan Kadyrov - the two suspects have apparently/supposedly/allegedly lived in the States for a decade or more. Looking to apportion blame on the Chechen nation and people is incredibly naive and smacks of (perhaps justifiably so) fear-addled but narrow minded morons searching for a scapegoat with a beard who prays to Allah.
This is a very strange incident. Hard to believe how the younger lad got away last night never mind still evading the large search party! I personally think he is dead already although they are looking for a car or two cars, first it was a green Honda, now I see it is a grey car they are looking. The boys father seems certain they were set up.
Saw the picture of the dead brother there...gruesome :o
Quote from: ballinaman on April 19, 2013, 10:47:13 PM
Saw the picture of the dead brother there...gruesome :o
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c0e_1366394274
Remember the 2011 Norway attacks? Everyone immediately assumed it was Islamic extremists. They were shocked when they realised it was a far right-wing anti-Islamic extremist.
This is a damn peculiar case all right, I'm starting to regret jumping to the conclusion that it was Islamists. It's by no means clear what the hell these weirdos were trying to achieve.
Quote from: Bingo on April 19, 2013, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on April 19, 2013, 11:58:26 AM
What's story with those scanners, how are they not scrambled?
AP sources identify the surviving Boston bomber as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The man is said to be from Russia's south, not far from the Chechen Republic.
The man reportedly lived in Turkey before arriving legally in the US about a year ago.
The name is listed among the recipients of Cambridge scholarships in 2011.
The second suspect is said to be his brother.
An NBC report claims the two immigrated at least two years ago. Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Both brothers are said to have Massachusetts drivers' licenses.
Apparently the FBI and other agencies have theirs blocked or the like but this technology is expensive, so alot of the normal emergencies services ie Police, Fire, Ambulance don't bother and just get on with it.
A simple search on TuneIn has them all listed.
I can't connect to these scanners at all, have they been taken off air?
Boston police scanner was taken down at the request of the Boston police.
So it seems it was wrong place at wrong time for them both at the 7-11. Was someone else that was robbing the store. The college cop killing is still being blamed on them. Wouldn't be so sure now.
CNN news reporters are hilarious, talking some amount of shite. Like something out of family guy.
They sound like they are getting their excuses in now for when the shoot him. "Imagine the fear the officers must have searching for him, knowing that his older brother may have had an explosive device on his body" " The real fear now is that he'll try to take more people down with him"
Reporter with grey hair,beard and glasses, ballix!
Reported gunfire in Watertown, could this be it?
Ha!
There are so many conspiracy stories going around over the past few days, and to be honest I have taken most of them with a pinch of salt. However, something is beginning to stink in this case, and the boys family are saying that they have been under control of the FBI for a while.
Now if you think the FBI are not capable of such a thing, the following article from a while back in the New York Times is well worth a read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0
Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
By DAVID K. SHIPLER
Published: April 28, 2012
THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.
But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.
When an Oregon college student, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, thought of using a car bomb to attack a festive Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of "inert material," harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving, with Mr. Mohamud in the passenger seat. To trigger the bomb the student punched a number into a cellphone and got no boom, only a bust.
This is legal, but is it legitimate? Without the F.B.I., would the culprits commit violence on their own? Is cultivating potential terrorists the best use of the manpower designed to find the real ones? Judging by their official answers, the F.B.I. and the Justice Department are sure of themselves — too sure, perhaps.
Carefully orchestrated sting operations usually hold up in court. Defendants invariably claim entrapment and almost always lose, because the law requires that they show no predisposition to commit the crime, even when induced by government agents. To underscore their predisposition, many suspects are "warned about the seriousness of their plots and given opportunities to back out," said Dean Boyd, a Justice Department spokesman. But not always, recorded conversations show. Sometimes they are coaxed to continue.
Undercover operations, long practiced by the F.B.I., have become a mainstay of counterterrorism, and they have changed in response to the post-9/11 focus on prevention. "Prior to 9/11 it would be very unusual for the F.B.I. to present a crime opportunity that wasn't in the scope of the activities that a person was already involved in," said Mike German of the American Civil Liberties Union, a lawyer and former F.B.I. agent who infiltrated white supremacist groups. An alleged drug dealer would be set up to sell drugs to an undercover agent, an arms trafficker to sell weapons. That still happens routinely, but less so in counterterrorism, and for good reason.
"There isn't a business of terrorism in the United States, thank God," a former federal prosecutor, David Raskin, explained.
"You're not going to be able to go to a street corner and find somebody who's already blown something up," he said. Therefore, the usual goal is not "to find somebody who's already engaged in terrorism but find somebody who would jump at the opportunity if a real terrorist showed up in town."
And that's the gray area. Who is susceptible? Anyone who plays along with the agents, apparently. Once the snare is set, law enforcement sees no choice. "Ignoring such threats is not an option," Mr. Boyd argued, "given the possibility that the suspect could act alone at any time or find someone else willing to help him."
Typically, the stings initially target suspects for pure speech — comments to an informer outside a mosque, angry postings on Web sites, e-mails with radicals overseas — then woo them into relationships with informers, who are often convicted felons working in exchange for leniency, or with F.B.I. agents posing as members of Al Qaeda or other groups.
Some targets have previous involvement in more than idle talk: for example, Waad Ramadan Alwan, an Iraqi in Kentucky, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded roadside bomb near Bayji, Iraq, and Raja Khan of Chicago, who had sent funds to an Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan.
But others seem ambivalent, incompetent and adrift, like hapless wannabes looking for a cause that the informer or undercover agent skillfully helps them find. Take the Stinger missile defendant James Cromitie, a low-level drug dealer with a criminal record that included no violence or hate crime, despite his rants against Jews. "He was searching for answers within his Islamic faith," said his lawyer, Clinton W. Calhoun III, who has appealed his conviction. "And this informant, I think, twisted that search in a really pretty awful way, sort of misdirected Cromitie in his search and turned him towards violence."
THE informer, Shahed Hussain, had been charged with fraud, but avoided prison and deportation by working undercover in another investigation. He was being paid by the F.B.I. to pose as a wealthy Pakistani with ties to Jaish-e-Mohammed, a terrorist group that Mr. Cromitie apparently had never heard of before they met by chance in the parking lot of a mosque.
"Brother, did you ever try to do anything for the cause of Islam?" Mr. Hussain asked at one point.
"O.K., brother," Mr. Cromitie replied warily, "where you going with this, brother?"
Two days later, the informer told him, "Allah has more work for you to do," and added, "Revelation is going to come in your dreams that you have to do this thing, O.K.?" About 15 minutes later, Mr. Hussain proposed the idea of using missiles, saying he could get them in a container from China. Mr. Cromitie laughed.
Reading hundreds of pages of transcripts of the recorded conversations is like looking at the inkblots of a Rorschach test. Patterns of willingness and hesitation overlap and merge. "I don't want anyone to get hurt," Mr. Cromitie said, and then explained that he meant women and children. "I don't care if it's a whole synagogue of men." It took 11 months of meandering discussion and a promise of $250,000 to lead him, with three co-conspirators he recruited, to plant fake bombs at two Riverdale synagogues.
"Only the government could have made a 'terrorist' out of Mr. Cromitie, whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope," said Judge Colleen McMahon, sentencing him to 25 years. She branded it a "fantasy terror operation" but called his attempt "beyond despicable" and rejected his claim of entrapment.
The judge's statement was unusual, but Mr. Cromitie's characteristics were not. His incompetence and ambivalence could be found among other aspiring terrorists whose grandiose plans were nurtured by law enforcement. They included men who wanted to attack fuel lines at Kennedy International Airport; destroy the Sears Tower (now Willis Tower) in Chicago; carry out a suicide bombing near Tampa Bay, Fla., and bomb subways in New York and Washington. Of the 22 most frightening plans for attacks since 9/11 on American soil, 14 were developed in sting operations.
Another New York City subway plot, which recently went to trial, needed no help from government. Nor did a bombing attempt in Times Square, the abortive underwear bombing in a jetliner over Detroit, a planned attack on Fort Dix, N.J., and several smaller efforts. Some threats are real, others less so. In terrorism, it's not easy to tell the difference.
Body reported to have been found in a backyard in Watertown.....
So when was he killed will be the next question!
Edit: may not be dead....yet!
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
Sky News reckon he's been apprehended
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
Is it not simply a matter of technological development?
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
That's a load of shit.
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
That's a load of shit.
There you go beating around the bush again!
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:42:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
Is it not simply a matter of technological development?
Are you talking about 24/7 news or guriella tactics? I was using your comment as a jumping off point - Sky News would never have got right of the Dublin bureau if they had something as juicy as the Troubles to cover. To be fair compared to American stations Sky News looks like the gold standard of impartiality.
Sorry, I meant the tools of warfare but I know what you mean.
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
That's a load of shit.
You'd want to back up definitive statements a bit more than that if you want anything more than a shouting match.
The IRB's guerrilla tactics in the War of Independence formed the basis for modern 20th and 21st century rebel tactics, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Organising small bands of men into cells who operate semi-independently using the element of surprise almost exclusively didn't enter other guerrillas' heads by an act of God.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: dec on April 19, 2013, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 06:50:29 PMAll the evidence cleaned up, just like in 9/11, 7/7.
Tell us what really happened on 9/11. Was it the CIA, Mossad, the Illuminati?
That's for another day, dec.
J70, I think giverherdixie's post confirms what I said. Isn't it strange how these new laws are just waiting to be rolled out, just a couple of days after such events?
Er... That bill was coming up for vote regardless of the bombing.
Maybe so J70, but it was a hell of a lot easier to pass after the events in Boston
We will hear the proper story now, or will we?
Carmen, lets hope the truth can be told, and more importantly, the residents of Boston can start to move on from this horrible experience.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 01:58:00 AM
Carmen, lets hope the truth can be told, and more importantly, the residents of Boston can start to move on from this horrible experience.
Agree totally. Strange the boat was never searched before now.
My bet would be that he will not be alive to face trial, his death would tie up the lose ends nice and neatly and any story can be released about his motives. Also, it appears that the owner of the boat basically followed a trail of blood to the boat and found him lying there. How did someone that badly injured manage to get away in the first place?
Cheney and Bush are wondering why they searched for him where he actually was.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 20, 2013, 01:47:25 AM
We will hear the proper story now, or will we?
I wonder. One of the things about the situation in the north was that in the end violence was in the financial interest of the security forces. It suited them because it meant their jobs were funded. They also had an interest in demonising nationalists. The war on terror industry in the US costs several % of GDP. It is more or less the only economic stimulus the GOP will tolerate.
Shutting down a major city is real senior hurling but I wonder how much it cost at a time when the labour participation rate is the lowest it has been in 30 years.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11 (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11)
Stew, this is why you wait for facts to emerge before going off on one.
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11 (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11)
Stew, this is why you wait for facts to emerge before going off on one.
Of course this will not be widely reported! Watching RT (Russia Today). Only channel i see to mention Bill that was passed during the week and comment on it.
Anyway this has to have been one of the greatest '
Hyperbole' of a search i have ever seen.
The reporting on it hasn't been the mainstream meejas finest hour. I think they have been relying on loons on Twitter for their "sources".
Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 19, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
The words Nail and Head come to mind.
So what's the odds this other guy will survive? I'm guessing one zillion to one. For the reasons explained above by Nag.
You would make a great odds maker, not.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=963_1366437992
Quote from: Gaffer on April 20, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=963_1366437992
If he had brains.... ::)
The one thing this whole episode has shown is how influential that mass social media is in terms of the "war against terror".
Quote from: Minder on April 20, 2013, 09:30:57 AM
The reporting on it hasn't been the mainstream meejas finest hour. I think they have been relying on loons on Twitter for their "sources".
Maybe cos a lot of papers are very low on journalists with a bit of perspective. Many papers just take wire info especially for stories outside their bread and butter issues. There have been savage cuts over the last few years with the ad model banjaxed.
Quote from: Gaffer on April 20, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=963_1366437992
Too funny ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 20, 2013, 04:04:11 AM
My bet would be that he will not be alive to face trial, his death would tie up the lose ends nice and neatly and any story can be released about his motives. Also, it appears that the owner of the boat basically followed a trail of blood to the boat and found him lying there. How did someone that badly injured manage to get away in the first place?
You already lost your zillion to one bet that he would be taken alive.
How "badly injured" do you have to be to bleed? Gun shot wounds don't always kill quickly. He may not have been hit in any vital organ.
Any other conspiratorial "predictions"?
You know, this manhunt for the second Boston bomber has been an embarrassment for US law enforcement. They had enough firepower in this small Boston suburb of Watertown to start World War III - umpteen SWAT teams, the FBI, cops, National Guard, armoured vehicles, helicopters, all the most up to date comms technology, and they still couldn't track down a wounded 19 year kid.
In the end it was a regular guy walking out of his house after the lock down was ended who found him hiding in his boat.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
You know, this manhunt for the second Boston bomber has been an embarrassment for US law enforcement. They had enough firepower in this small Boston suburb of Watertown to start World War III - umpteen SWAT teams, the FBI, cops, National Guard, armoured vehicles, helicopters, all the most up to date comms technology, and they still couldn't track down a wounded 19 year kid.
In the end it was a regular guy walking out of his house after the lock down was ended who found him hiding in his boat.
Was nearly like they used the opportunity to practice "locking down" a major city. 5 mins after the lockdown ended he was caught! Not sure why they'd do this but to me, it seemed a major over reaction to the situation.
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
That's a load of shit.
You'd want to back up definitive statements a bit more than that if you want anything more than a shouting match.
The IRB's guerrilla tactics in the War of Independence formed the basis for modern 20th and 21st century rebel tactics, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Organising small bands of men into cells who operate semi-independently using the element of surprise almost exclusively didn't enter other guerrillas' heads by an act of God.
Firstly is contributing to freedom-fighting "one of our dirtiest legacy"?
Secondly the black-hands were organised into small bands of men organising high profile attacks in urban areas and that was in 1914, the actions of which
undoubtedly laid the foundations for almost all of the major armed conflicts in the world since. We did not invent "small bands of men in cells who operate semi-independently using the element of surprise almost exclusively", it existed before 1918. Secondly the IRA tactics of 1916-1921 were (for the most part) to attack armed forces, members of the British security forces and "conspirators" in Ireland.
Surprise bombing/attacks on British homeland and targeting it's civilian population (a major factor of today's terrorist and American strategy) was not integrated into the War of Independence and you can not easily trace back modern terrorist tactics to Mick Collins and the boys.
Some characteristics are shared but to declare a definite lineage between the two is a load of shite.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
You know, this manhunt for the second Boston bomber has been an embarrassment for US law enforcement. They had enough firepower in this small Boston suburb of Watertown to start World War III - umpteen SWAT teams, the FBI, cops, National Guard, armoured vehicles, helicopters, all the most up to date comms technology, and they still couldn't track down a wounded 19 year kid.
In the end it was a regular guy walking out of his house after the lock down was ended who found him hiding in his boat.
Embarrassment? Really?
Considering the area they were searching has the population of over 4.5 million people and they were able to use technology to get the bombers ID and captured the last one within 5 days is pretty impressive.
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2013, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Imagine if this level of coverage existed during the troubles.
I know we're awesome and all that craic, but helping found modern freedom fighting/terrorism is one of our country's legacies dirtiest legacies and one that hasn't been properly explored in terms of its international impact. Even Che studied Mick Collins and his leadership of the IRB.
That's a load of shit.
You'd want to back up definitive statements a bit more than that if you want anything more than a shouting match.
The IRB's guerrilla tactics in the War of Independence formed the basis for modern 20th and 21st century rebel tactics, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Organising small bands of men into cells who operate semi-independently using the element of surprise almost exclusively didn't enter other guerrillas' heads by an act of God.
Firstly is contributing to freedom-fighting "one of our dirtiest legacy"?
Secondly the black-hands were organised into small bands of men organising high profile attacks in urban areas and that was in 1914, the actions of which undoubtedly laid the foundations for almost all of the major armed conflicts in the world since. We did not invent "small bands of men in cells who operate semi-independently using the element of surprise almost exclusively", it existed before 1918. Secondly the IRA tactics of 1916-1921 were (for the most part) to attack armed forces, members of the British security forces and "conspirators" in Ireland.
Surprise bombing/attacks on British homeland and targeting it's civilian population (a major factor of today's terrorist and American strategy) was not integrated into the War of Independence and you can not easily trace back modern terrorist tactics to Mick Collins and the boys.
Some characteristics are shared but to declare a definite lineage between the two is a load of shite.
I wasn't just referring to the War of Independence, that was only an example I used afterwards to highlight one point. A lot of modern-day extremists have drawn tactical inspiration from both the Provo IRA and unionist splinter groups' tactics too. That Mick Collins' leadership of the IRB represented the birth of modern guerilla warfare is not a new opinion, indeed it's a very widespread one.
No one is saying or little country is the only source of inspiration but our legacy is almost unmatched in terms of its overall influence on guerilla tactics the world over. Trying to ignore that by saying it's a 'load of shite' is, well, a load of shite.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
You know, this manhunt for the second Boston bomber has been an embarrassment for US law enforcement. They had enough firepower in this small Boston suburb of Watertown to start World War III - umpteen SWAT teams, the FBI, cops, National Guard, armoured vehicles, helicopters, all the most up to date comms technology, and they still couldn't track down a wounded 19 year kid.
In the end it was a regular guy walking out of his house after the lock down was ended who found him hiding in his boat.
jeez give it a rest GHD.We already know you hate the USA and I am sure you will be posting some madcap conspiracy theory later on ,that the US government was involved in the bombings.
Not a chance they are embarrassed. Not a snowballs hope in hell to be perfectly frank about it.
When I look around my Facebook and twittersphere the only people making any noise are people I know to be American right wing anti Obama everything's, and non Americans who are heavily critical of the USA in general.
Most of the connections that I'd classify as ordinary non political folk are grateful and thànkful that it's over.
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11 (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11)
Stew, this is why you wait for facts to emerge before going off on one.
Lets be honest here. Of the laundry list they were accused of, having the 7-11 robbery taken off the books is no real impact whatsoever. You don't have a manhunt for a 7-11 stick up.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
You know, this manhunt for the second Boston bomber has been an embarrassment for US law enforcement. They had enough firepower in this small Boston suburb of Watertown to start World War III - umpteen SWAT teams, the FBI, cops, National Guard, armoured vehicles, helicopters, all the most up to date comms technology, and they still couldn't track down a wounded 19 year kid.
In the end it was a regular guy walking out of his house after the lock down was ended who found him hiding in his boat.
This 19 year old kid destroyed lives, families and butchered a child, you have always had a hard on for the US and your post is ignorant and wrong.
There are more than 4 million people living in that city, they had to go house by house, building by building to get this bastard and they had to do it keeping the people safe. an embarrassment? really? I think they did a tremendous job from start until now.
I'm not the biggest fan of the US myself but I think in the circumstances they could not have done much better. This "kid" should get what ever treatment is needed to get him in a state where he can be interrogated in order to find motivation for the attack. When he is of no more use then cracking rocks for the rest of his life the rotten evil child killer.
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
When you listen to former classmates and friends talking about the youngest of the brothers, I do wonder how did he manage to turn out so violent? I wonder what got to him to drive him to such destructive acts.
What were the sequence of events surrounding the shooting of the policeman? Was there an unrelated robbery going on nearby and were the lads in the wrong place at the wrong time?
The reporting on the matter has also been bad, not that I'm an expert in the field of media. But RTE had a journalist on yesterday's 6 o'clock news who said a policeman he'd known for over 30 years had told him that they'd surrounded a house and had the suspect cornered off inside? No truth to that obviously. Also the reporting of a third bomb at a library....anyone know what that was about.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
wtf are you on?
Actually that post is starting to make a lot of sense given the poster!
Why are there 21 pages on this yet not a single mention anywhere on gaaboard about the earthquake in china ? Could somebody explain that ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 20, 2013, 06:47:09 PM
Why are there 21 pages on this yet not a single mention anywhere on gaaboard about the earthquake in china ? Could somebody explain that ?
Not true Mr Angry, there is a reference to it on page 21 ;)
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
It is because terrsm threatens the authority of the state and homicides are run of the mill. But for those killed and their families there is no real difference
Quote from: stew on April 20, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
wtf are you on?
Actually that post is starting to make a lot of sense given the poster!
Americans are far more likely to die in a car accident, stew, but terrorism gets all the attention. It is political. Obesity is also far more dangerous. But carry on.
Quote from: Puckoon on April 20, 2013, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2013, 09:07:23 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11 (http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/312193/250/Boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-rob-7-11)
Stew, this is why you wait for facts to emerge before going off on one.
Lets be honest here. Of the laundry list they were accused of, having the 7-11 robbery taken off the books is no real impact whatsoever. You don't have a manhunt for a 7-11 stick up.
Clearly - the point is that wild speculation without knowing the facts (as our esteemed Armagh born, Wisconsin residing conservative hawk evidently wasn't) can end up having consequences for innocent people, two or whom have already been named in this thread who appear to have been incorrectly labelled as suspects for no reason other than unadulterated racism. Have a read of the below about what can go wrong when a mob mentality takes over:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-bombing-suspects-reddit-social-media
If you can't be arsed, I've picked out my favourite line:
"Some of the speculation bordered on the farcical. One bag-toting presumed suspect, named "Blue Robe Guy" by users, was accused of such actions as "trying to look nonchalant"."
Why can't people just let a professional investigation run its course without leaping to conclusions when they clearly know absolutely f**k all about the case other than internet and media fuelled hysteria?
Maybe I'm watching too much TV, but can dogs not track a bleeding suspect from an abandoned SUV to a boat a few blocks away in fairly short order?
I thought it was funny when Fox News said that the suspects were 'Not Caucasian'. Chechnya (and Dagestan) is literally in the region called Caucasus or Caucasia. In fact the Chechens are said to be the one of the original Caucasians. I don't think they could be more wrong if they tried :D
Quote from: stew on April 20, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
wtf are you on?
Actually that post is starting to make a lot of sense given the poster!
It was sarcasm. The emoticon ahould have given you a hint.
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Does anyone know how much it all cost? I wonder how many homicides happened over the 5 days. But that must be different .
Yeah, just a little different. :o
It is because terrsm threatens the authority of the state and homicides are run of the mill. But for those killed and their families there is no real difference
And terrorism obviously poses a threat to many more people than the typical murder. If it was a gun-toting mass murderer, the response would have been similar. Luckily, most mass murderers either kill themselves or are taken by the police pretty quickly.
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 01:15:57 AM
Maybe so J70, but it was a hell of a lot easier to pass after the events in Boston
I don't know whether that is true or not as I haven't been following that particular bill.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on April 20, 2013, 01:15:57 AM
Maybe so J70, but it was a hell of a lot easier to pass after the events in Boston
I don't know whether that is true or not as I haven't been following that particular bill.
Seems innocuous enough.
Should CISPA earn the president's autograph, private businesses will be encouraged to voluntarily share cyberthreat information with the US government. The authors of the bill say this is an effort to better combat the reportedly increasing attempts to harm America's critical computer networks and pilfer the systems of private companies for intellectual property and other sensitive trade secrets.
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Quote from: BennyCake on April 19, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
So, one of the main suspects is dead. How convenient. Jack Ruby wasn't even needed this time.
I don't understand?
Which bit don't you understand?
The bit about Jack Ruby.
The internet is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby
Why he would be "needed this time"
I think the original point was that he wasnt or that he wouldnt have been ::) At least with suspect one!
This is going right over my head. ???
Is Benny saying that it is in someones interest to have the suspects (our modern day LHO) bumped off?
Or why would the suspect being alive necessitate some modern day Jack Ruby killing them before they could talk?
Cone on Leo keep up, he is winding up about the conspiracies that grow up around these events.
The chat with Jack Ruby was that he killed LHO before he got a chance to reveal embarrassing secrets. Whilst maybe not on this level, it might still be 'cleaner' for the authorities for both suspects to be dead and therefore they can tell whatever version of the truth they like, or one which fits best.
Are you sure he is only winding?
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1127404 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1127404)
Quote from: Hardy on April 21, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1127404 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1127404)
Brilliant Hardy
RTE News
Boston Mayor Tom Menino said that authorities may never be able to question the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 is seriously injured and unable to speak after eluding police for 24 hours. He sustained injuries to his neck and tongue while on the run.
Mr Menino told ABC's "This Week" programme was in "very serious" condition at a Boston hospital after being captured Friday night.
He said: "and we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual," Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a firefight with police earlier on Friday as officers hunted them for the twin blasts on Monday that killed three and injured 176.
The FBI is waiting to speak to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as it tries to determine a motive for the attack and whether the two brothers accused of the attack acted alone. Dzhokhar had been hiding in a boat parked in the backyard of a house in the suburb of Watertown.
That's a strange, cryptic comment to make. Is he alluding to his injuries or just suggesting "don't be surprised if this lad gets snuffed."
No. I think he's saying, and I quote, "he's in very serious condition and we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual".
Quote from: trileacman on April 21, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
RTE News
Boston Mayor Tom Menino said that authorities may never be able to question the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 is seriously injured and unable to speak after eluding police for 24 hours. He sustained injuries to his neck and tongue while on the run.
Mr Menino told ABC's "This Week" programme was in "very serious" condition at a Boston hospital after being captured Friday night.
He said: "and we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual," Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a firefight with police earlier on Friday as officers hunted them for the twin blasts on Monday that killed three and injured 176.
The FBI is waiting to speak to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as it tries to determine a motive for the attack and whether the two brothers accused of the attack acted alone. Dzhokhar had been hiding in a boat parked in the backyard of a house in the suburb of Watertown.
That's a strange, cryptic comment to make. Is he alluding to his injuries or just suggesting "don't be surprised if this lad gets snuffed."
FFS, he told you exactly what he was thinking, he is sub human, he is seriously injured but what do you want from the authorities, no matter what transpires the lefty wing nuts will be out in force categorically stating that they got the wrong men! ::)
Quote from: stew on April 21, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 21, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
RTE News
Boston Mayor Tom Menino said that authorities may never be able to question the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 is seriously injured and unable to speak after eluding police for 24 hours. He sustained injuries to his neck and tongue while on the run.
Mr Menino told ABC's "This Week" programme was in "very serious" condition at a Boston hospital after being captured Friday night.
He said: "and we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual," Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a firefight with police earlier on Friday as officers hunted them for the twin blasts on Monday that killed three and injured 176.
The FBI is waiting to speak to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as it tries to determine a motive for the attack and whether the two brothers accused of the attack acted alone. Dzhokhar had been hiding in a boat parked in the backyard of a house in the suburb of Watertown.
That's a strange, cryptic comment to make. Is he alluding to his injuries or just suggesting "don't be surprised if this lad gets snuffed."
FFS, he told you exactly what he was thinking, he is sub human, he is seriously injured but what do you want from the authorities, no matter what transpires the lefty wing nuts will be out in force categorically stating that they got the wrong men! ::)
I saw a newspaper report today saying that the Russians advised the FBI about the brothers. But of course the russians are all leftys and can't be trusted.
Quote from: stew on April 21, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 21, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
RTE News
Boston Mayor Tom Menino said that authorities may never be able to question the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 is seriously injured and unable to speak after eluding police for 24 hours. He sustained injuries to his neck and tongue while on the run.
Mr Menino told ABC's "This Week" programme was in "very serious" condition at a Boston hospital after being captured Friday night.
He said: "and we don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual," Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a firefight with police earlier on Friday as officers hunted them for the twin blasts on Monday that killed three and injured 176.
The FBI is waiting to speak to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as it tries to determine a motive for the attack and whether the two brothers accused of the attack acted alone. Dzhokhar had been hiding in a boat parked in the backyard of a house in the suburb of Watertown.
That's a strange, cryptic comment to make. Is he alluding to his injuries or just suggesting "don't be surprised if this lad gets snuffed."
FFS, he told you exactly what he was thinking, he is sub human, he is seriously injured but what do you want from the authorities, no matter what transpires the lefty wing nuts will be out in force categorically stating that they got the wrong men! ::)
We wasn't meant to survive that assault on the boat he was in. I'd say the authorities were shocked that he was still kicking after it.
Stew,
would it not be in the US's interests to see what motivates these people to do this?
Labeling him and his brother as sub-human is easy and handy but not of great benefit to anyone.
One of the charges he's facing is "using a weapon of mass destruction". What precisely is a WMD and if a homemade bomb fits the description, how weren't they able to find any in Iraq?
Death penalty if found guilty. Good enough.
http://newsthump.com/2013/04/23/tony-blair-vindicated-after-pressure-cooker-categorised-as-wmd/
Tony Blair vindicated after pressure cooker categorised as WMD
After the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was charged with using a weapon of mass destruction it has emerged that Tony Blair could have been right about Iraq all along.
WMDs had previously been categorised as nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, but now that a pressure cooker with a bomb inside has been added to the list it appears that the joint American/British invasion of Iraq was entirely justified.
"This totally changes everything," said an official spokesperson for Tony Blair.
"Iraq would almost certainly have had possession of pressure cookers and numerous other kitchen appliances."
"I hope everyone is going to apologise to Tony."
Blair right on WMDs
Weapons experts have warned that High street retailer Argos, whose catalogue openly boasts hardware from weapons manufacturers such as Morphy Richards and Russell Hobbs, could be stockpiling a military arsenal capable of causing widespread devastation.
"A sandwich packed with cheese and tomatoes may look harmless enough," warned one expert
"But if you place one in a Breville snack toaster for a few minutes it has the capability of causing serious burns to the chin and mouth.
"If countries like North Korea and Iran develop baked beans then it really doesn't bear thinking about."
News that modified kitchen appliances are now considered weapons of mass destruction has caused the public to review their attitudes towards mindless carnage.
"If pressure cookers are one of the main components of WMDs ,What does that make a semi-automatic assault rifle?" asked 43 year-old Clive Goodlord.
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Death penalty if found guilty. Good enough.
It's better than being incinerated by drone on the word of Obama without a trial or anything
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Death penalty if found guilty. Good enough.
f**k it, why bother with the trial, turn the machines off now. :o
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Death penalty if found guilty. Good enough.
By no means certain. It's a possibility.
This bullshit from McCain and Lindsey Graham about handling him as an "enemy combatant" is laughable and a disgrace to the American judicial system.
Those with sandwich toasters, watch out. You could be put away for having a WMD! Jesus Christ, you couldn't make it up.
Death penalty is probably an incentive to get him to make a deal and talk.
Wave a cheese toastie in front of his face. He'll soon start talking!!!
Quote from: J70 on April 23, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
Death penalty is probably an incentive to get him to make a deal and talk.
The death penalty is so that he won't ever talk again.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on April 23, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
Wave a cheese toastie in front of his face. He'll soon start talking!!!
Yeah, and scrap a plate with a knife and fork. If the toastie doesn't make him talk, that will! ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on April 23, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 23, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
Death penalty is probably an incentive to get him to make a deal and talk.
The death penalty is so that he won't ever talk again.
It's leverage. He's fucked with the evidence they have. If he cooperates and talks, he might get away with life in prison.
I find it mildly sinister that he can face the death penalty in a state that is resolutely set against the death penalty (http://www.nodp.org/ma/s1.html). States rights only apply to those states wanting to increase the stock of human misery.
Quote from: deiseach on April 23, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
I find it mildly sinister that he can face the death penalty in a state that is resolutely set against the death penalty (http://www.nodp.org/ma/s1.html). States rights only apply to those states wanting to increase the stock of human misery.
It's a federal case though.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 23, 2013, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Death penalty if found guilty. Good enough.
f**k it, why bother with the trial, turn the machines off now. :o
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Despite what happened i feel bad for this lad. He's only 19. Led by his big brother. Now facing the consequences for the rest of his life, hated by the whole country.
He should be punished of course and deserves it all but I do have some sympathy for him.
Quote from: J70 on April 23, 2013, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on April 23, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
I find it mildly sinister that he can face the death penalty in a state that is resolutely set against the death penalty (http://www.nodp.org/ma/s1.html). States rights only apply to those states wanting to increase the stock of human misery.
It's a federal case though.
I understand that. But what's to stop them making every case a federal case? It seems to me all they've done here is invoke the spectre of 'WMD' and presto! they have the power to threaten the accused with sticking a needle in their arm.
Quote from: The Iceman on April 23, 2013, 03:09:28 PM
Despite what happened i feel bad for this lad. He's only 19. Led by his big brother. Now facing the consequences for the rest of his life, hated by the whole country.
He should be punished of course and deserves it all but I do have some sympathy for him.
He's not a little child. And given that he went back to college classes and attended a dorm party in the days after the bombing, as if nothing had happened, he must have serious sociopathic tendencies. That poor MIT cop was shot in the back of the head, and these guys were obviously prepared to leave a violent trail of destruction in their wake in their attempt to flee. Maybe it was all the older brother's influence, but at some point you take responsibility for your own actions. That point is well before blowing up innocent people watching a bloody race.
Quote from: deiseach on April 23, 2013, 03:11:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 23, 2013, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on April 23, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
I find it mildly sinister that he can face the death penalty in a state that is resolutely set against the death penalty (http://www.nodp.org/ma/s1.html). States rights only apply to those states wanting to increase the stock of human misery.
It's a federal case though.
I understand that. But what's to stop them making every case a federal case? It seems to me all they've done here is invoke the spectre of 'WMD' and presto! they have the power to threaten the accused with sticking a needle in their arm.
You only have to damage a mailbox and it can be classified a Federal crime.
And so it begins!
http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU
Sarah Palin Calls for Invasion of Czech Republic
Apr. 22, 2013
Sarah Palin called for the invasion of the Czech Republic today in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Boston.
In an interview with Fox News, the former governor of Alaska said that although federal investigators have yet to complete their work, the time for action is now.
"We don't know everything about these suspects yet," Palin told Fox and Friends this morning, referring to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who allegedly carried out the Boston Marathon attacks. "But we know they were Muslims from the Czech Republic.
"I betcha I speak for a lot of Americans when I say I want to go over there right now and start teaching those folks a lesson. And let's not stop at the Czech Republic, let's go after all Arab countries.
"The Arabians need to learn that they can't keep comin' over here and blowing stuff up. Let's set off a couple of nukes in Islamabad, burn down Prague, then bomb the heck out of Tehran. We need to show them that we mean business."
Can't See Russia...
Although hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson applauded Palin's jingoism, they immediately attempted to rectify her multiple geographic errors.
"Well Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan, which isn't Arab," Carlson corrected, "and Tehran is the capital of Iran, which is predominantly Persian. But I do see your point."
"Also Czech Republic isn't really an Arab or even Muslim country, I don't think," Doocy added, "but otherwise what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I think most Americans wish Obama would step up and lead on this one."
Palin, however, didn't take kindly to being corrected and defended her analysis.
"Steve, that's probably one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. How is Czech Republic not a Muslim country? You saw those brothers, they were Islamic and they were Chechen!"
"Yes there were Muslim and they were ethnic Chechens," Doocy started, "but they grew up mostly in Kyrgyzstan and the United States. And more importantly, Chechens don't come from the Czech Republic, they come from Chechnya, which is part of Russia. "
"What's the difference?" Palin responded. "Isn't Russia part of the Czech Republic?"
"No, the Czech Republic is a separate country. It's part of the European Union and a strong NATO ally," Doocy noted. "But heck, why not? Let's invade. What could go wrong?"
"Yeah and while we're at it," Carlson added, "let's call the Queen of England and see if the U.K. will join us."
In a statement released after the interview, Palin attacked Fox News and its "pro-Islamic" and "pro-geography" bias.
"This is just another case of the politically correct liberal media refusing to tell the truth about radical Islam," she said.
What a woman :-[
This may not be true of course
That has to be joke. She attacked Fox News? That'll be the day.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 23, 2013, 04:20:36 PM
Sarah Palin Calls for Invasion of Czech Republic
Apr. 22, 2013
Sarah Palin called for the invasion of the Czech Republic today in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Boston.
In an interview with Fox News, the former governor of Alaska said that although federal investigators have yet to complete their work, the time for action is now.
"We don't know everything about these suspects yet," Palin told Fox and Friends this morning, referring to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who allegedly carried out the Boston Marathon attacks. "But we know they were Muslims from the Czech Republic.
"I betcha I speak for a lot of Americans when I say I want to go over there right now and start teaching those folks a lesson. And let's not stop at the Czech Republic, let's go after all Arab countries.
"The Arabians need to learn that they can't keep comin' over here and blowing stuff up. Let's set off a couple of nukes in Islamabad, burn down Prague, then bomb the heck out of Tehran. We need to show them that we mean business."
Can't See Russia...
Although hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson applauded Palin's jingoism, they immediately attempted to rectify her multiple geographic errors.
"Well Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan, which isn't Arab," Carlson corrected, "and Tehran is the capital of Iran, which is predominantly Persian. But I do see your point."
"Also Czech Republic isn't really an Arab or even Muslim country, I don't think," Doocy added, "but otherwise what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I think most Americans wish Obama would step up and lead on this one."
Palin, however, didn't take kindly to being corrected and defended her analysis.
"Steve, that's probably one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. How is Czech Republic not a Muslim country? You saw those brothers, they were Islamic and they were Chechen!"
"Yes there were Muslim and they were ethnic Chechens," Doocy started, "but they grew up mostly in Kyrgyzstan and the United States. And more importantly, Chechens don't come from the Czech Republic, they come from Chechnya, which is part of Russia. "
"What's the difference?" Palin responded. "Isn't Russia part of the Czech Republic?"
"No, the Czech Republic is a separate country. It's part of the European Union and a strong NATO ally," Doocy noted. "But heck, why not? Let's invade. What could go wrong?"
"Yeah and while we're at it," Carlson added, "let's call the Queen of England and see if the U.K. will join us."
In a statement released after the interview, Palin attacked Fox News and its "pro-Islamic" and "pro-geography" bias.
"This is just another case of the politically correct liberal media refusing to tell the truth about radical Islam," she said.
What a woman :-[
This may not be true of course
This can't be real?? Surely, she's not that ignorant? OK, yes - silly question!
Of course its not real. You think Fox and Friends would embarrass Palin by pointing out her errors! :P
900 people killed in building collapse in Bangladesh.
Another building caught fire yesterday killing loads of people.
Not sure if there is a separate thread or not ?.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0509/391208-bangladesh-fire/
Death penalty for Tsarnaev
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
Death penalty for Tsarnaev
I really can't be doing with the death penalty whatever the crime might be, it's a barbaric act in this day and age. I note the family of the young lad killed asked for the death penalty not to be considered.
OK, Boycey, your statement is like a light to attract flies. Tony, wherever you lurk in the ether, the death penalty, thumbs up or thumbs down? I'm with you, Boycey, that the death penalty is wrong, period. My only dilemma is whether it's actually a more humane penalty than the v. restrictive life sentence Tsarnaev would have to endure. I don't think civilized countries should be in the business of killing people who no longer pose a threat.
Asking a jury of ordinary people to make the decision makes it even worse in my opinion..
Lock him up and throw away the key. 23 hours a day in solitary in a tiny cell with limited human interaction-way worse than the death penalty in my view
Worth reading "The Cruel and Unusual Execution of Clayton Lockett" from The Atlantic. A grim account of a badly botched Oklahoma execution. No matter how how heinous his crime, he should not have endured this suffering and incompetence.
I'd rather ride the needle than have a life in solitary.
Quote from: whitey on May 15, 2015, 10:33:14 PM
Lock him up and throw away the key. 23 hours a day in solitary in a tiny cell with limited human interaction-way worse than the death penalty in my view
Yip, couldn't agree more. Death almost is an easy out for him.
I am against the death penalty, but that's because of the risk of errors and the unfairness/corruption of the justice system at times. However, this dude has not even tried to deny involvement or shown any remorse. f**k him.
Quote from: Boycey on May 15, 2015, 09:41:11 PM
Asking a jury of ordinary people to make the decision makes it even worse in my opinion..
That's something I find very strange too, asking the jury to decide the punishment.
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 15, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
OK, Boycey, your statement is like a light to attract flies. Tony, wherever you lurk in the ether, the death penalty, thumbs up or thumbs down? I'm with you, Boycey, that the death penalty is wrong, period. My only dilemma is whether it's actually a more humane penalty than the v. restrictive life sentence Tsarnaev would have to endure. I don't think civilized countries should be in the business of killing people who no longer pose a threat.
what about the people he killed? I suppose it's ok they don't pose a threat either.
Killing him isn't going to bring them back.
Although there is no question of his guilt, I always think of the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 when cases like this come up. Had those atrocities occurred on American soil, you can guarantee the death penalty would have been the result.
DNA testing is exposing a huge amount of posthumous miscarriages of justice in the States, and the principle should always be better 100 guilty go free, than 1 innocent be convicted (and executed) wrongly.
Most systems of justice everywhere have flaws - it is a human conception after all - so I would always be against it.
Tsarnev is a young man who has committed an atrocity without remorse. But I wonder whether the 40 year old Tsarnev would feel the same, and would he have anything to contribute to society, even from behind bars?
Easy for me to say, i suppose, given i was not directly affected by his acts.
No strong feelings on the death penalty but I certainly won't be shedding any tears for this guy.
Quote from: hardstation on May 16, 2015, 11:06:24 PM
Let me get this straight...the jury doesn't just decide whether the defendant is guilty or not but they also decide the punishment?
How can the Yankee legal system maintain consistency or do they not really give a shite? Some set up.
Jury are murdering b**tards IMO.
Its a little more nuanced than the "jury deciding the punishment".
Let me see if I can explain....Im relaying an explanation I heard on the radio so bear with me
Not all the charges he was convicted of carried the death penalty. The jury could vacate the death penalty and impose life in prison if there were mitigating circumstances. He was sentenced to death on just 6/17 charges that carried the death penalty. 13 did not carry the death penalty
http://www.wbur.org/2015/01/05/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-charges
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/02/12/the-charges-against-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-explained-plain-english/CkoC7HiL8NPLAoiXdsm5aP/story.html
On his being given to 6 death sentences, will they run concurrently?