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How do we see this one going folks? If i had to pick an Armagh to line out it would be...

1) McEvoy
2) Mallon
3) Donaghy
4) Morgan
5) Kernan
6) McKeever
7) McKenna/Dyas/Duffy/Moriarty
8  Toner
9) Hanratty
10) Vernon
11) Mackin
12) Forker
13) Rafferty
14) Mallon/McVerry/Kingham
15) Clarke

The team i would lke to see for what its worth

1. P Mc Evoy
2. A Mallon
3. B Donaghy
4. J Morgan
5. A Kernan
6. K Mc Keever
7. P Duffy
8. C Vernon
9. J Hanratty
10. A Forker
11. B Mallon
12. M Mackin
13. J Clarke
14. C Rafferty
15. E Mc Verry/G Mc Parland

The team doesn't matter it going to be the mother and father of all stuffings.

On what basis Applesisapples? Tyrone looked nothing spectacular against Kildare. And we were very unlucky not to stay in Div1, with the amount of players we had missing

Quote from: Applesisapples on May 15, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
The team doesn't matter it going to be the mother and father of all stuffings.

You could be right you know, Tyrone have to be strong strong favourites for this one, they had a good league campaign, found a couple of clinkers and they are established in the team now more importantly. I reckon its a big ask for Armagh to beat them even with home advantage

On what basis are people selecting James Morgan? The lad has done very well for his club and has great potential but would anyone seriously put a lad in to start against Tyrone in these circumstances?

Has he played any challenge games or how has he done in training at this level? To throw him in against a penrose or Mulligan getting quality supply could be disastrous for him.

Quote from: our_fella on May 15, 2012, 02:30:58 PM
On what basis Applesisapples? Tyrone looked nothing spectacular against Kildare. And we were very unlucky not to stay in Div1, with the amount of players we had missing

On the basis that we have no game plan nor consistency.

Quote from: Onion Bag on May 15, 2012, 02:31:16 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on May 15, 2012, 02:18:32 PM
The team doesn't matter it going to be the mother and father of all stuffings.

You could be right you know, Tyrone have to be strong strong favourites for this one, they had a good league campaign, found a couple of clinkers and they are established in the team now more importantly. I reckon its a big ask for Armagh to beat them even with home advantage

The clinkers are injured.

Duffleking... James Morgan has so far marked this year in Ulster.. CJ McGourty,Enda Muldoon/Gilligan and Donal O'Hare. Add into that Gooch Cooper and Dessie Dolan, I think he has enough experience to mark a tyrone forward

James Morgan won't start against Tyrone.

Tyrone will win this match as easily as last year in Omagh. Jamie Clarke is our only forward, and he'll be well contained.

I expect Tyrone to line up as follows:

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Gormley
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Joe McMahon
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. McNabb
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. Steven O'Neill
15. Mulligan

Anybody putting Toner in their team needs a serious examination, offers nothing.  What has happened James Lavery - was it not him who was not so long ago labelled as the best full-back in the country?

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2012, 04:27:05 PM
Anybody putting Toner in their team needs a serious examination, offers nothing.  What has happened James Lavery - was it not him who was not so long ago labelled as the best full-back in the country?

I don't think your opinion on Toner can be valued when you go to say that about James Lavery. Hes an average midfielder as best who doesn't offer anything apart from fielding, I also have no recollection of him ever playing at full back!!

And I can't see for the life of me Paddy starting Morgan!! I'd expect to see McKenna take the number 4 spot. For those with P Duffy in their team, as he not left the panel? heard he retired for personal reasons.

Quote from: Hashtag on May 15, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
I expect Tyrone to line up as follows:

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Gormley
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Joe McMahon
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. McNabb
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. Steven O'Neill
15. Mulligan

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Justy
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Gormley
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Joe
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. O'Neill
15. Mulligan

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2012, 04:27:05 PM
Anybody putting Toner in their team needs a serious examination, offers nothing.  What has happened James Lavery - was it not him who was not so long ago labelled as the best full-back in the country?

You're right.....it was not him. Lavery will not start against Tyrone as he is not mobile enough. Paul Duffy has rejoined the panel after leaving it a few days previous.

Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2012, 04:52:29 PM

Quote from: Hashtag on May 15, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
I expect Tyrone to line up as follows:

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Gormley
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Joe McMahon
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. McNabb
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. Steven O'Neill
15. Mulligan

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Justy
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Gormley
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Joe
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. O'Neill
15. Mulligan

No.

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2012, 04:27:05 PM
Anybody putting Toner in their team needs a serious examination, offers nothing.  What has happened James Lavery - was it not him who was not so long ago labelled as the best full-back in the country?

Defiantly mixing the two up or else your a kn*b

Need to get Sean Cavanagh away from WHF. He has to be either MF or FF. I would love to see Micky play a 3 man FF line of Cavanagh with Mugsy and O'Niell either side for a change. Let a few long passes in to them but I doubt if he will.

Armagh have enough quality players to win. Tyrone were alright but not amazing against Kildare. If Armagh play with the same desire and ambition as they did in the league match against Down then they can in no way be written off. I was really impressed by Armagh in what was an excellent night of football.

Of course there is the Jekyll and Hyde issues with Armagh. But if they are motivated then they have a tight marking defence and a set of forwards that can score especially J Clarke, and Stephenson can slot over any free. Linking defence to attack may be an issue but then isn't it for everyone?

I would be far from writing off Armagh and believe completely that they have the quality to challenge at the later stages of the championship. After Kerry, Dublin & Cork come about 8 other sides all who are about equally good and who could spring a surprise with a lucky draw. Armagh are certainly in that group along with Tyrone

Quote from: EC Unique on May 15, 2012, 05:36:14 PM
Need to get Sean Cavanagh away from WHF. He has to be either MF or FF. I would love to see Micky play a 3 man FF line of Cavanagh with Mugsy and O'Niell either side for a change. Let a few long passes in to them but I doubt if he will.

Thats the numbers I think he will play but I actually think he will line out like this:
                                Packie

McCrory                  Joe               Gormley

McCarron              McNabb          Quinn

                           Harte
       Cass                                Colly C

Penrose                Mugsy        Sparkey

     O'Neill                     Sean

I too would like to see Sean at 14 or MF again. Teams will be all out to stop Pete again like Kildare did. I hope we don't continue with this rugby league style of running into tackles and they kick it into the square much more. Interestingly nobody is mentioning Ricey. How would he do at 14?  :D

Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2012, 04:52:29 PM

Quote from: Hashtag on May 15, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
I expect Tyrone to line up as follows:

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Gormley
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Joe McMahon
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. McNabb
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. Steven O'Neill
15. Mulligan

1. Packie
2. McCrory
3. Justy
4. Quinn
5. McCarron
6. Harte
7. Gormley
8. Cassidy
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Joe
11. Donnelly
12. Sean Cavanagh
13. Penrose
14. O'Neill
15. Mulligan

No McNabb young Smoo?? I would be VERY suprised if he isn't selected in the 15.

Who would you drop for McNabb? Joe?

I also would be confident that a fit McNabb will start. Maybe in place of Cassidy with Joe or Sean playing around the middle?

Surely Harte at 6 is now over.  Back to 11.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2012, 07:56:53 PM
I too would like to see Sean at 14 or MF again. Teams will be all out to stop Pete again like Kildare did. I hope we don't continue with this rugby league style of running into tackles and they kick it into the square much more. Interestingly nobody is mentioning Ricey. How would he do at 14?  :D

Agree, I actually hate watching Tyrone, as you say a very rugby style where they run into the tackle and play it sidewards to the next man. There was only two direct kick passes into Stevie O'Neill in the full forward line against Kildare, one he scored a great point and the second he hit the umpire with a great goal chance. It must be very frustrating to play in Tyrone's FF line. Maybe this new NO SQUARE BALL rule will encourage Tyrone to get into the box lol.

I also just want to go on record to be the first to say:
I think Stevie O'Neill is past it.

Explanation due on formal request.

Can anyone remember Tyrone winning in Armagh?

I think we beat them in the 91/92 NFL campaign in Armagh.

I've no memory of winning in Armagh either but have a vague memory of them beating us in Omagh with the 2 Grimleys playing

Hastag are ye fishing there or why do you write a paragraph about how our FF line was starved of ball and then write SoN is past it.

Tell us why you think he's past it?
Remember the game has changed so most star forwards of yesteryear are now double marked or have sweepers all around them.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 16, 2012, 01:25:54 PM
I've no memory of winning in Armagh either but have a vague memory of them beating us in Omagh with the 2 Grimleys playing

Hastag are ye fishing there or why do you write a paragraph about how our FF line was starved of ball and then write SoN is past it.

Tell us why you think he's past it?
Remember the game has changed so most star forwards of yesteryear are now double marked or have sweepers all around them.

Would that have been the sad day that Paul mc girr died?

I wasn't thinking of that game as I think we beat them that day back in 1997

1997
Quarter Final   Tyrone   1-12 - 0-12   Armagh   

Hard to believe that Cavan beat Derry in the Ulster final that year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_1997)

No it was back in the 80's I think that I was thinking of
I was a young teenager and was sitting on the grass behind the goals at the town end thinking those Grimleys are huge giants of men.

Quote from: EC Unique on May 16, 2012, 02:03:54 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 16, 2012, 01:25:54 PM
I've no memory of winning in Armagh either but have a vague memory of them beating us in Omagh with the 2 Grimleys playing

Hastag are ye fishing there or why do you write a paragraph about how our FF line was starved of ball and then write SoN is past it.

Tell us why you think he's past it?
Remember the game has changed so most star forwards of yesteryear are now double marked or have sweepers all around them.

Would that have been the sad day that Paul mc girr died?

No I'm nearly certain that was the day Tyrone scored a dubious goal in the last minutes to snatch a victory. Could be wrong as the memory ain't what it was.

Ye could be right Apples. It might have been a first round game in 88 or 89
Back in the 80s a lot more counties made it to the final back then
Only Antrim missing out

Year         Ulster Finalists
1989   Tyrone 0–11, 2–13   Donegal 0–11, 0–07
1988   Monaghan 1–10   Tyrone 0–11
1987   Derry 0–11   Armagh 0-09
1986   Tyrone 1–11   Down 0–10
1985   Monaghan 2-09   Derry 0-08
1984   Tyrone 0–15   Armagh 1-07
1983   Donegal 1–14   Cavan 1–11
1982   Armagh 0–10   Fermanagh 1-04
1981   Down 3–12   Armagh 1–10
1980   Armagh 4–10   Tyrone 4-07

I've some memory of Houly getting a cracker goal in some 1st round game in Omagh as well.

Armagh beat Tyrone 5-9 to 1-9 in 1987, in Irvinestown.
Tyrone beat Armagh in 1988 at same venue.
In 1989, Armagh were 8 ahead, before Tyrone came back to win by a point. That was the day Mark Grimley caught everything, and also caught John Lynch's face with a haymaker in the tunnel.
Armagh won by a point in Armagh, 1990.
1993, Draw at Athletic Grounds. Armagh won replay in Omagh thanks to Houli's late goal.
Tyrone won by 2 goals in 1994 in Omagh.
Tyrone won again by 2 in 97, Matt NcGleenan getting a dubious late goal.

That's all I can remember from those years. Armagh haven't played Tyrone alot in the Athletic Grounds in recent years. That's probably why Tyrone haven't been them there in a while.

Excellent work BC
What was wrong with McGlennon's goal. I can't remember it.
He used to score some class punched goals back in those days

Ther game I was thinking about was '97 the year McGirr died and Mattie McGleenan fouled Benny in the Armagh goal, the Ref was at the Tyrone 20 m line and didn't see anything wrong. I thought it was closer than 2 goals though.

In 97, I meant Tyrone won by 2 points, not 2 goals.

I think it was 1-9 to 0-10 or something similar. I think McGleenan shoved a defender out of the way before fisting the ball into the net. Can't remember it vividly though, but it was a big talking point that day.

I remember McGleenan got a fisted goal in the drawn game in 93 in AG. He got another fisted goal in the same game but it was wrongly disallowed.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 16, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
Ye could be right Apples. It might have been a first round game in 88 or 89
Back in the 80s a lot more counties made it to the final back then
Only Antrim missing out

Year         Ulster Finalists
1989   Tyrone 0–11, 2–13   Donegal 0–11, 0–07
1988   Monaghan 1–10   Tyrone 0–11
1987   Derry 0–11   Armagh 0-09
1986   Tyrone 1–11   Down 0–10
1985   Monaghan 2-09   Derry 0-08
1984   Tyrone 0–15   Armagh 1-07
1983   Donegal 1–14   Cavan 1–11
1982   Armagh 0–10   Fermanagh 1-04
1981   Down 3–12   Armagh 1–10
1980   Armagh 4–10   Tyrone 4-07

I've some memory of Houly getting a cracker goal in some 1st round game in Omagh as well.

from 2001-2011 i think all 9 counties have played in an ulster final, not bad going. Derry was the longest wait until last year

From the 1997 game I remember Jarlath Burns and McGeeney lording midfield from start to finish but Armagh kicked something like 18 wides (including about 8 from McConville who was making his debut). Tyrone were crap but armagh just couldn't them away.

Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
Armagh beat Tyrone 5-9 to 1-9 in 1987, in Irvinestown.
Tyrone beat Armagh in 1988 at same venue.
In 1989, Armagh were 8 ahead, before Tyrone came back to win by a point. That was the day Mark Grimley caught everything, and also caught John Lynch's face with a haymaker in the tunnel.Armagh won by a point in Armagh, 1990.
1993, Draw at Athletic Grounds. Armagh won replay in Omagh thanks to Houli's late goal.
Tyrone won by 2 goals in 1994 in Omagh.
Tyrone won again by 2 in 97, Matt NcGleenan getting a dubious late goal.

That's all I can remember from those years. Armagh haven't played Tyrone alot in the Athletic Grounds in recent years. That's probably why Tyrone haven't been them there in a while.

I think that may have have been big brother Paul who accidentally brushed shoulders with John Lynch. Armagh were 2-4 v 0-4 up at half time after the finest exception of fielding I have ever seen from Mark Grimley. Armagh team from 89 that I can remember:
Mcalinden
Gareth o'neill - thomas cassidy - hanratty
McQuillan - JGrimley - Toner
MGrimley - Smyth
DCanavan - BCanavan - Shortt
Skeleton - arthur mcevoy - JMcConville

There were a few decent minors playing in the '89 armagh v tyrone - mcgeeney / peter canavan / fay devlin / the lawns / c orourke!

Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
In 97, I meant Tyrone won by 2 points, not 2 goals.

I think it was 1-9 to 0-10 or something similar. I think McGleenan shoved a defender out of the way before fisting the ball into the net. Can't remember it vividly though, but it was a big talking point that day.

Tyrone won 1-12 to 0-12 that day. Tyrone of 97 were a tired team on the way down after the disappointments (in the end) of the previous two summers. They were lucky enough to get past a pretty average Down team in the preliminary round and lucky to then beat Armagh. They ended up being hammered 2-15 to 2-3 by a highly motivated Derry team in the semi-final. Derry had a lot to prove that day after the defeats of the previous two summers. Still didn't prevent them going on to blow it again in the final.

Quote from: ONeill on May 16, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
Can anyone remember Tyrone winning in Armagh?

All too often, I mind McGuigan lighting us up like a Christmas tree back in the day, he was some player.

Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 16, 2012, 11:25:10 PM
Tyrone won 1-12 to 0-12 that day. Tyrone of 97 were a tired team on the way down after the disappointments (in the end) of the previous two summers. They were lucky enough to get past a pretty average Down team in the preliminary round and lucky to then beat Armagh. They ended up being hammered 2-15 to 2-3 by a highly motivated Derry team in the semi-final. Derry had a lot to prove that day after the defeats of the previous two summers. Still didn't prevent them going on to blow it again in the final.

I'm nearly sure there was only 2 points between Armagh and Tyrone in 1997.

A reason Derry blew it against Cavan was apparently because Brian Mullins told the Derry players not to kick the ball to Joe Brolly, as Cavan would be expecting that. Brolly on his day, could've taken any defender to the cleaners. I remember Brolly and Mullins arguing going in at half time about this. That's like Kerry not playing the ball to Cooper or Dublin and Bernard Brogan. Madness!

And like Derry kicking everything to Paddy Bradley and him being surrounded
I think ye need to mix and match it.

Just reading through the Tyrone allstars there on wiki. Hard to believe Brian McGuigan only got 1 allstar the same as Davey Harte.

I see Brian is defending his actions in 2003 that Brolly accused him of diving.

Wonder can you get any of those full matches of Tyrone v Armagh with McGuigan Snr in full flow.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2012, 10:35:14 AM
And like Derry kicking everything to Paddy Bradley and him being surrounded
I think ye need to mix and match it.

Just reading through the Tyrone allstars there on wiki. Hard to believe Brian McGuigan only got 1 allstar the same as Davey Harte.

I see Brian is defending his actions in 2003 that Brolly accused him of diving.

Wonder can you get any of those full matches of Tyrone v Armagh with McGuigan Snr in full flow.

Just saw that. I don't think he said he was denying that he took a dive. He said he did what he did (i.e. took a dive) to get the free overturned or the ball thrown up, not to deliberately get McCartan sent off. He is refuting the reason he did it, not denying it.

His excuse is that referees send players off, not other players. Pathetic really.

Quote from: sheamy on May 17, 2012, 11:43:51 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2012, 10:35:14 AM
And like Derry kicking everything to Paddy Bradley and him being surrounded
I think ye need to mix and match it.

Just reading through the Tyrone allstars there on wiki. Hard to believe Brian McGuigan only got 1 allstar the same as Davey Harte.

I see Brian is defending his actions in 2003 that Brolly accused him of diving.

Wonder can you get any of those full matches of Tyrone v Armagh with McGuigan Snr in full flow.

Just saw that. I don't think he said he was denying that he took a dive. He said he did what he did (i.e. took a dive) to get the free overturned or the ball thrown up, not to deliberately get McCartan sent off. He is refuting the reason he did it, not denying it.

His excuse is that referees send players off, not other players. Pathetic really.

Hardly pathetic, at the end of the day Brian McGuigan didn't flash the card or had no authority to do so.  Alot of players try and win a handy free and I would say that their main objective is simply that, to get a free and not to get a man sent off.

Red hands v mhaca. Spain v Italy. Trap's green machine v Croatia. That is a feast of sport on any given Sunday. Monday may well need to be booked off. The logistics is a feckin nightmare tho. Do you stay in red neds to celebrate humpin the mhaca and watch both games, or do you sacrafice the Spain Italy game to make it back to Belfast for the south's opener. Decisions decisions...

I was making similar plans in my head myself Mr N.
I might not get to go at all with the wife due in July so she mightn't be chuffed me heading off for the afternoon to Armagh and then coming back home to announce the Ireland game is on as the kids go to bed.

I'll have to arrange something. Maybe the car could break down on the way home. Hmmmm.  :o

I can't say I have any memory of being in the Athletic grounds. I'd say its the only county ground I've not been to in Ulster.

You must be only in your twenties then.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 17, 2012, 03:58:03 PM

I might not get to go at all with the wife due in July

Jaysus does thon woman ever get a rest atall?

New childer need nappies - loads of them, so drop her off at Craigavon shopping centre on the way through, collect her on the way back, anything happens in the middle its only a painless 2 minute walk or 1 minute in a taxi. 

Living in England I didnt get to see much football this year, but from what I have read and heard from parents in Lurgan, I cant see Armagh winning this one sadly. A 5/6 point loss is what Im predicting

She didn't like the nappy shopping idea rrhf

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Quote from: tonto1888 on May 18, 2012, 10:41:39 AM
Living in England I didnt get to see much football this year, but from what I have read and heard from parents in Lurgan, I cant see Armagh winning this one sadly. A 5/6 point loss is what Im predicting

Armagh are a very difficult team to suss at the moment. The game is less than a month away and still nobody has seen Armagh's strongest team play. It all depends on what Armagh team show up and the opener for the Ulster championship is probably the best time to play Tyrone.

Who was the last team ye lost to at home in the 1st round championship lads?

I think we are really short of score getters now tbh.
If Stevie & Mugsy stay fit and get good fast ball into them then we'll be fine but if those two are swallowed up then we resort to our rugby league style of play and we've got nobody to shoot from outside 40 yards where every team build their wall nowadays.

Penrose used to be one of our top scorers but in recent years he's more of a worker & tackler.
A lot of lads have been calling for Matthew Donnelly to be thrown in at FF so if Mickey resists the temptation to throw Sean in there then I'd be keen to see Donnelly in there.

For me Sean needs a central position and he needs to learn to vary his game much more. Ye always know what he's gonna do now unlike someone like Mugsy who can either shoot from anywhere or lift his head and pick out a pass.
I'd like to see Joey play at MF as we always concede that ground every game and it means we've to work twice as hard then to get the ball back. How would Cassidy do at FF. I know he's played there before.

Quote from: BennyCake on May 16, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
Armagh beat Tyrone 5-9 to 1-9 in 1987, in Irvinestown.
Tyrone beat Armagh in 1988 at same venue.
In 1989, Armagh were 8 ahead, before Tyrone came back to win by a point. That was the day Mark Grimley caught everything, and also caught John Lynch's face with a haymaker in the tunnel.
Armagh won by a point in Armagh, 1990.
1993, Draw at Athletic Grounds. Armagh won replay in Omagh thanks to Houli's late goal.
Tyrone won by 2 goals in 1994 in Omagh.
Tyrone won again by 2 in 97, Matt NcGleenan getting a dubious late goal.

That's all I can remember from those years. Armagh haven't played Tyrone alot in the Athletic Grounds in recent years. That's probably why Tyrone haven't been them there in a while.

94 game, i think McQuillan and John Grimley were both sent off.  Was also the game Plunkett Donaghey scored a late goal after taking about 8 or 9 steps.  We were awful though that day and deserved to be well beaten.

97, McGleenon pushed (think it was Dominic Clarke) in the back when he jumped for the ball totally taking him out of the game then fisted to the net.  We had enough chances to win two games that day.  I remember a Tyrone defender kicking Houley in the face or chest when he went to get up of the ground.  Pascall McConnell nearly got knocked out i the warm up, took an awful whack to the face with the ball.  Think that was the game that was the start of a big improvement in Armagh football fter getting stuffed in 94 (Tyrone), 95 (Derry), 96 (Derry).  Younger players like McGrane, McConville were starting to really make an impact on the team.

I see yesterdays Irish News reported that down beat Armagh 5-7 v 1-11 in a challenge game on Sunday. Does anyone know who improved their chances of starting against tyrone and who didn't.

I believe these matches are fairly meaningless and not a guide to championship form, however, given that we had probably 4/5 of ourfirst choice defenders on it is a bit worrying to be conceding 5 goals!

Quote from: regal on May 22, 2012, 08:39:23 AM
I see yesterdays Irish News reported that down beat Armagh 5-7 v 1-11 in a challenge game on Sunday. Does anyone know who improved their chances of starting against tyrone and who didn't.

I believe these matches are fairly meaningless and not a guide to championship form, however, given that we had probably 4/5 of ourfirst choice defenders on it is a bit worrying to be conceding 5 goals!

The last Armagh team to concede 5 goals AFAIK in a game that matters was the 77 team, who lost to the Dubs in the AIF, this game they just played will have no bearing on the game in Armagh in early June.

QuoteI see yesterdays Irish News reported that down beat Armagh 5-7 v 1-11 in a challenge game on Sunday. Does anyone know who improved their chances of starting against tyrone and who didn't.

Was at the game on Sunday evening at St. Paul's ... it was a half paced run out for both teams, nothing too serious to get hung up about, however, for some reason, I did leave with the opinion that the 2012 All Ireland Champions were not on view on Sunday evening. 

Then again, I was at a similar game in Dromore in 1994 and also left with the same opinion ... the rest is history.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
Who was the last team ye lost to at home in the 1st round championship lads?

I think we are really short of score getters now tbh.
If Stevie & Mugsy stay fit and get good fast ball into them then we'll be fine but if those two are swallowed up then we resort to our rugby league style of play and we've got nobody to shoot from outside 40 yards where every team build their wall nowadays.

Penrose used to be one of our top scorers but in recent years he's more of a worker & tackler.
A lot of lads have been calling for Matthew Donnelly to be thrown in at FF so if Mickey resists the temptation to throw Sean in there then I'd be keen to see Donnelly in there.

For me Sean needs a central position and he needs to learn to vary his game much more. Ye always know what he's gonna do now unlike someone like Mugsy who can either shoot from anywhere or lift his head and pick out a pass.
I'd like to see Joey play at MF as we always concede that ground every game and it means we've to work twice as hard then to get the ball back. How would Cassidy do at FF. I know he's played there before.

We need someone in there to win possession from long kicked ball, Donnelly is suitable but injury has intervened and the Armagh game might just be to early for him. Sean is the next option and could be better at it than a fully fit Matty, nothing to lose by putting him there. Cassidy is a MF, have seen him tried at FF for Tyrone, always with poor results.

What about big Joe in full forward? Will be really interesting to see how the removal of square ball will impact this year's championship. Cork have made their intentions clear by moving that big lad Walsh in from midfield. Donaghy will be in his element with high balls being pumped in. I guess McMahon would be an option in there if a game wasn't progressing as planned but I definitely think he's the sort of player who could find the onion with his fist or win the ball and lay it off to incoming forwards. Of course, we haven't played this way all year, so it's very unlikely. You just don't know what position, if any big Joe will be lining out in come June 10th.

Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 23, 2012, 01:11:11 PM
What about big Joe in full forward? Will be really interesting to see how the removal of square ball will impact this year's championship. Cork have made their intentions clear by moving that big lad Walsh in from midfield. Donaghy will be in his element with high balls being pumped in. I guess McMahon would be an option in there if a game wasn't progressing as planned but I definitely think he's the sort of player who could find the onion with his fist or win the ball and lay it off to incoming forwards. Of course, we haven't played this way all year, so it's very unlikely. You just don't know what position, if any big Joe will be lining out in come June 10th.

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if both donegal and tyrone win where will they meet? Is there a home and away arrangement?

Quote from: bombidal on May 24, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
if both donegal and tyrone win where will they meet? Is there a home and away arrangement?

And if Armagh and Derry win where will they meet? I don't think any of those teams are looking past their first game!!

Quote from: bombidal on May 24, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
if both donegal and tyrone win where will they meet? Is there a home and away arrangement?

Semi finals are played at neutral venues

Just back from a wee holiday in England so nice to come back to this lovely championship (or exam) weather.

Was at the young lads training this morning and the Dubs are a bit nervous of Longford next Sunday. Haha

So am I right so say no new injury scares? Are lads still playing with their clubs this weekend.
Any more news on Coney's recovery? Are we still looking at end of July or was that only a positive spin on it?

How's Ronan Clarke coming along with his return? Are ye orangemen still pretending he won't come on at some stage?  ;D
Would be nice if it was weather like this for the big game.

Ronan won't play against Tyrone, fuzz. I'd be very very very surprised if he played for Armagh this year.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2012, 01:35:20 PM
Just back from a wee holiday in England so nice to come back to this lovely championship (or exam) weather.

Was at the young lads training this morning and the Dubs are a bit nervous of Longford next Sunday. Haha

So am I right so say no new injury scares? Are lads still playing with their clubs this weekend.
Any more news on Coney's recovery? Are we still looking at end of July or was that only a positive spin on it?

How's Ronan Clarke coming along with his return? Are ye orangemen still pretending he won't come on at some stage?  ;D
Would be nice if it was weather like this for the big game.

I thought coney was out for the year? Would be great if he was back this season.

Sean Cavanagh badly injured today

Sean was in some pain. The game was stopped for a good 15 mins. Ambulance took him away - looked like a dislocation of the shoulder.

That's my fantasy team fecked now. Sounds nasty.

Shaping up to Armagh win.

Really is bad luck for Sean. Worked hard I'm sure to recover from the previous injury. Big boost for Armagh's chances.

Quote from: ONeill on May 27, 2012, 10:14:07 PM
Really is bad luck for Sean. Worked hard I'm sure to recover from the previous injury. Big boost for Armagh's chances.

It helps alright but this one will go down to the wire, prediction Armagh 2-12 Tyrone 1-14.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
Shaping up to Armagh win.

feck off#
we will be lucky to hold tyrone to ten points
you will beat us out the gate 8)

Its Armagh all the way for me if it was a betting man, with big Cavanagh away, its  going to be mighty tough for the red hands. Have we even got 15.  If I was Harte Id be pulling in a few non panellists faring well in the league as replacements. 

Quote from: naka on May 28, 2012, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
Shaping up to Armagh win.

feck off#
we will be lucky to hold tyrone to ten points
you will beat us out the gate 8)

Armagh will need another 11-12 of tyrone players to miss the match to get within 10 points of the red hands,

Quote from: Onion Bag on May 28, 2012, 11:10:57 AM

Quote from: naka on May 28, 2012, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
Shaping up to Armagh win.

feck off#
we will be lucky to hold tyrone to ten points
you will beat us out the gate 8)

Armagh will need another 11-12 of tyrone players to miss the match to get within 10 points of the red hands,

Agreed.

Quote from: Onion Bag on May 28, 2012, 11:10:57 AM

Quote from: naka on May 28, 2012, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 27, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
Shaping up to Armagh win.

feck off#
we will be lucky to hold tyrone to ten points
you will beat us out the gate 8)

Armagh will need another 11-12 of tyrone players to miss the match to get within 10 points of the red hands,

Presumably you are taking the piss. Can't understand why Tyrone are being put up on a pedestal. To me they are an ordinary team and this will be a close affair that could go either way.

So what will the Tyrone forward line look like without the considerable presence of cavanagh, coney & o'neill. I would guess..

McNabb
Mark Donnelly
Penrose
Mulligan
McKenna
O'Neill

In reserve - Matty Donnelly (is he fit?) / colm cavanagh  / ?

It shouldn't really strike fear into the hearts of the armagh defenders. O'Neill is probably past his best but remains a really class footballer. It will be their movement and workrate, I guess, which armagh will fear

Its still Tyrones to lose.

Quote from: Agent Orange on May 28, 2012, 12:33:29 PM
Its still Tyrones to lose.

Can't understand this take on it. They stormed their way through an average division 2 but for me they are way short of the Tyrone of 5-6 years ago. Admittedly Armagh have dipped too but with the home venue advantage I think Armagh have a 50/50 chance.

If Jamie Clarke is marked well, who's going to get Armagh's scores? Tyrone aren't what they were, but they have more forwards who can take scores.

Jamie Clarke didn't play the majority of the league and Armagh were able to find scores, they are not a one man show - I think they will surprise Tyrone.

Quote from: Cold tea on May 28, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
Jamie Clarke didn't play the majority of the league and Armagh were able to find scores, they are not a one man show - I think they will surprise Tyrone.

not enough Cold tea, they got relegated, they got alot of their scores from frees

Quotenot enough Cold tea, they got relegated, they got alot of their scores from frees

However when Jamie Clark is around you often pick up frees, even if he is stopped.

It is hard to know, in Tralee Armagh got some good scores, in Portlaoise they couldn't get the ball between the posts.

Cross' have been well drilled to provide options for Jamie to pass, and have won games well when he has been bottled up by double marking. The problem with their long season is that Clark doesn't get long to train with the Armagh setup to get this moves worked out.

What are the odds, I guess Armagh are going in about 2/1?

Forward line will be
10. McNabb (doing his role at CHB)
11. Markie Donnelly
12. Joe McMahon
13. Penrose
14. O'Neill
15. Mugsy

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170081

if today's press is accurate it might be

10. Dooher
11. McGuigan
12. McMahon
13. Penrose
14. O'Neill
15. Mugsy

If Fermanagh are beat, there's always a chance Canavan will replace Penrose in the corner  :)

The big concern from a Tyrone point of view is the fact we don't have anyone who can/attempt to consistently hit long range points.

Tyrone injury list is growing and the number of walking wounded is growing. Also events taking place elsewhere are to say the least a distraction. This game is set up for Armagh to win and I don't think it will be a south armagh ambush but a full frontal attack.

Tyrone need to change their game plan as the Armagh manager (McGeeney) has been taking the last few sessions with his team.
Get your money on Armagh now

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2012, 10:53:38 AM
The big concern from a Tyrone point of view is the fact we don't have anyone who can/attempt to consistently hit long range points.

The problem for Armagh is that outside of Jamie Clarke we don't have anybody who can consistently hit points.

Tyrone have more than enough in reserve, plenty of defenders on the bench to release Peter Harte to go upfront,
They will will go strong on Jamie Clarke snuffing out our main scoring threat, Musgy, stevie o neill, penrose, and the rest are more than enough to threaten armaghs defence,

Tyrone need to change their game plan as the Armagh manager (McGeeney) has been taking the last few sessions with his team.


Holy ghost that is big news.  Mc Geeney taking the Armagh team!

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2012, 10:53:38 AM
The big concern from a Tyrone point of view is the fact we don't have anyone who can/attempt to consistently hit long range points.

This isn't a concern. Tyrone don't play that style of football. They carry it then release sidewards to the next man coming at pace. They would be blew up for a forward pass if they moved the ball any other way.
I hate Tyrone's style of play. Ruining Gaelic Football.

Quote from: ballymac on May 29, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
Tyrone injury list is growing and the number of walking wounded is growing. Also events taking place elsewhere are to say the least a distraction. This game is set up for Armagh to win and I don't think it will be a south armagh ambush but a full frontal attack.

Tyrone need to change their game plan as the Armagh manager (McGeeney) has been taking the last few sessions with his team.
Get your money on Armagh now

What are you smoking?

Quote from: Hashtag on May 29, 2012, 01:43:16 PM

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2012, 10:53:38 AM
The big concern from a Tyrone point of view is the fact we don't have anyone who can/attempt to consistently hit long range points.

This isn't a concern. Tyrone don't play that style of football. They carry it then release sidewards to the next man coming at pace. They would be blew up for a forward pass if they moved the ball any other way.
I hate Tyrone's style of play. Ruining Gaelic Football.

Very true, its why Mickey Harte always defends the current state of gaelic football. Their game is a possession based game based on hard running support play from deep with minimum risk involved.

However most other teams now imitate this style and Tyrone lack the finishers that they used to have and thats why they are no longer the force of old.

Quote from: yellowcard on May 29, 2012, 01:44:35 PM

Quote from: ballymac on May 29, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
Tyrone injury list is growing and the number of walking wounded is growing. Also events taking place elsewhere are to say the least a distraction. This game is set up for Armagh to win and I don't think it will be a south armagh ambush but a full frontal attack.

Tyrone need to change their game plan as the Armagh manager (McGeeney) has been taking the last few sessions with his team.
Get your money on Armagh now

What are you smoking?

X2

Is Mickey panicing!!!

http://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170081 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Football/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170081)

Harte to coax back retirees?
29 May 2012


Mickey Harte may send an SOS to Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan and Brian McGuigan.

As the O'Neill County's injury crisis deepens - with Kyle Coney, Ronan O'Neill, Tommy McGuigan and now Sean Cavanagh all sidelined - Harte admits that he may have to turn to some of his recently-retired stars for a dig-out:

"You have to look at what's required - do any of those players have an interest in helping us out? And a lot of things have to fit together for that to happen.

"I could not say at this time, but we have to look at all options. If we need to add some people to the panel we'd certainly look at those options.

"Some things in life you can't change and you have to deal with what you're faced. I think there's a lot of experience in the squad, there are a lot of good players there and I think we'll be able to roll up the sleeves so to speak and deliver their best performance.

"If they do that then we'll not be too far away," the Tyrone boss continues in the Irish Times.

"It will test the strength in depth of the squad. People talk about when you get a few injuries other players can come in, but you're reducing your options all the while.

"Since they'll all on one side of the field, it's going to prove problematic. Really good forwards don't grow on trees and it takes a long time to mature them.

"It reminds me of 2006 when we came back after winning the All-Ireland and we had five or six great players sitting in the stand for the first match when we played Derry in Omagh.

"You just have to deal with it and I think it will ask serious questions of the rest of the squad and maybe give an opportunity to a player who maybe didn't think they'd get one just as quickly as they will do now."

Quote from: Cold tea on May 29, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Is Mickey panicing!!!

What! Icing everything?

Sure he's panicking, we're fecked!  :P

Sorry I panicked.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2012, 02:44:09 PM

Quote from: Cold tea on May 29, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Is Mickey panicing!!!

What! Icing everything?

Sure he's panicking, we're fecked!  :P

Tyrone should win.

Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Got my hair cut today and had a quick look at some paper called the SUN
Interesting wee paper with some nice photos.

There's an article about Harte calling back the has-beens and he says both Coney and Sean are out for the majority of the year.
One of my work colleagues here says it must be true if its in the SUN

I suppose when you list forwards like
Mark Donnelly
Penrose
Mugsy
Stevie O
and maybe move Peter Harte forward then we do look to have better forwards than Armagh.
Bar Jamie & maybe young Stevenson from frees who else should we be fearing?

There is too much Cute Hoorism going on in this thread for me.
Tyrone to raid the Orchard by 12 and go home stoned via the Garvaghey Road.

Toner and Mackin out! :'(

Shot in the Dark here, but anyone know of any good places to watch this in Chicago? I am going to be over there with work.

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
Got my hair cut today and had a quick look at some paper called the SUN
Interesting wee paper with some nice photos.

There's an article about Harte calling back the has-beens and he says both Coney and Sean are out for the majority of the year.
One of my work colleagues here says it must be true if its in the SUN

I suppose when you list forwards like
Mark Donnelly
Penrose
Mugsy
Stevie O
and maybe move Peter Harte forward then we do look to have better forwards than Armagh.
Bar Jamie & maybe young Stevenson from frees who else should we be fearing?

There is too much Cute Hoorism going on in this thread for me.
Tyrone to raid the Orchard by 12 and go home stoned via the Garvaghey Road.

I will enjoy seeing Caolan Rafferty taking your full back to the cleaners   :D :D :D

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2012, 04:23:45 PM
Got my hair cut today and had a quick look at some paper called the SUN
Interesting wee paper with some nice photos.

There's an article about Harte calling back the has-beens and he says both Coney and Sean are out for the majority of the year.
One of my work colleagues here says it must be true if its in the SUN

I suppose when you list forwards like
Mark Donnelly
Penrose
Mugsy
Stevie O
and maybe move Peter Harte forward then we do look to have better forwards than Armagh.
Bar Jamie & maybe young Stevenson from frees who else should we be fearing?

There is too much Cute Hoorism going on in this thread for me.
Tyrone to raid the Orchard by 12 and go home stoned via the Garvaghey Road.

Wouldn't say its cute hoorism at all, maybe if it was coming from the managers. But for supporters on an internet forum to try and big up the opposition or play down their own teams chances isn't gonna make one blind bit of difference.

Too many people of the belief that the opinions of the internet warriors will actually carry some stock.

Posters from other counties seem to be assuming Michael Stevenson is going to start v Tyrone.  However anyone who was in Donegal will tell you the lad simply doesent have the pace or ball winning strength to command a place in the first 15.  We have either Aaron Kernan or Aidan Forker perfectly capable of taking left footed frees.  The right footed ones are more of a worry.  Most likely candidate is Tony Kernan but again I fear we are trying to create a place for him.  After that its a lottery.  Brian Mallon took them v Mayo and Dublin but his range would be extremely limited and again not guaranteed a place.  Micheal O Rourke made a total mess of 2 vital ones in the 2nd half v Donegal and again his form means he is likely to be on bench.  After that there is non one I fear.  Hence it looks like T Kernan is almost guaranteed a starting spot despite never really doing it for Armagh seniors.

Quote from: lemallon on May 29, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Posters from other counties seem to be assuming Michael Stevenson is going to start v Tyrone.  However anyone who was in Donegal will tell you the lad simply doesent have the pace or ball winning strength to command a place in the first 15.  We have either Aaron Kernan or Aidan Forker perfectly capable of taking left footed frees.  The right footed ones are more of a worry.  Most likely candidate is Tony Kernan but again I fear we are trying to create a place for him.  After that its a lottery.  Brian Mallon took them v Mayo and Dublin but his range would be extremely limited and again not guaranteed a place.  Micheal O Rourke made a total mess of 2 vital ones in the 2nd half v Donegal and again his form means he is likely to be on bench.  After that there is non one I fear.  Hence it looks like T Kernan is almost guaranteed a starting spot despite never really doing it for Armagh seniors.

I agree with you totally. As an aside I am told that at the Irish News talk night Paddy Heaney complained about Armagh tactics against Donegal. First he said Stevenson should not have been taken off and second that Armagh should have been hitting frees directly into the forwards. You back up what I thought of his first point. As for the second - who do Armagh have in the forward line to win a 50/50 ball. Mistakes may have been made in tactics that day but not in these points I think.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2012, 05:05:02 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

Out for the season.

Quote from: Armaghgael on May 29, 2012, 04:34:58 PM
Toner and Mackin out! :'(

Is this crap or is there any truth in it?

Toner pulled his calf muscle last week and on the armagh forum someone has posted that Mackin is out as well

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2012, 07:24:14 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2012, 05:05:02 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

Out for the season.

Would someone please tell Mickey Harte to stop phoning Oisin McConville and Steven McDonnell. No, you cannot bring them in as backup for Cavanagh.

Losing Cavanagh is a huge blow to Tyrone at this stage. He was starting to look back in good shape and was expecting a big year from him. His loss combined with Coney and O'Neill cuts down the options dramatically. I'd have rated Tyrone as All Ireland contenders earlier in the year, would have much less confidence now.

I'd have no problem with Harte trying to get a few of the older boys back to add a bit of experience and quality to the squad. The likes of McGuigan, McGinley and Jordan would be very good options if could be persuaded. Jordan and McGinley in particular would keep themself in great shape. I see someone on hoganstand which can never be trusted speculating that Harte is considering McCullagh. What age would he be now? Would he be a realistic option? Mellon actually looks back in decent shape even if it is intermediate level but couldn't see Harte going back to him now. Definitely can't see Dooher being an option.

other shoulder fellas? or the surgically repaired one?

Other shoulder, serious bad luck.

Mc Gahan coalisland, mulgrew donaghmore, grugan omagh, etc etc

Which mcgahan from coalisland? Not the one who played midfield in the mckenna cu a few years ago?  Grugan didn't start for u21s so don't think he'd be an option at this stage. If any of younger boys were going to get a call mcaliskey must be knocking on door with scoring he's doing for clonoe. But it takes time to settle at county level. At this stage of season if you were calling anyone in mcginley or jordan would seem like best options given their fitness and experience.

Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 29, 2012, 07:38:12 PM
I don't know where people are getting the dislocated shoulder from - its the same injury as last time only on the other shoulder. The odds of this happening are immeasurable.

Wasn't the last injury due to an accident with weights?

Seriously bad luck indeed but I'd wonder is it due to any fall-out from that first injury, specifically to the healing of it?

Yeah same one 2 years better on, mc aliskey, mulgrew, Lzk

I cant see any of those players being called out of retirement - also it wouldnt reflect well on the current squad, if MH had to call up gys that have retired.

id say that PJ is in deadly condition, but wouldnt be too sure of anyone else...i hope he doesnt have to call them up, and that we would have sufficient resource with the lads we have....just cannot afford any other injuries

Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 29, 2012, 07:38:12 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2012, 05:05:02 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

I don't know where people are getting the dislocated shoulder from - its the same injury as last time only on the other shoulder. The odds of this happening are immeasurable. Recovery time many months from now - devastating after having worked so hard to get back to football again. Big miss for ourselves and Tyrone.

the last one was a dethatched tendon- which only weightlifters do typically. Chances of that in Gaa is about 5%

this is a standard dislocated shoulder. a common gaa injury. Its 4 months recovery now post-op. Operation is a lot slicker then it used to be.

heart goes out to him. been through it and its horrible

Quote from: INDIANA on May 29, 2012, 10:03:13 PM
other shoulder fellas? or the surgically repaired one?

The other shoulder. Not the repaired one.

Quote from: INDIANA on May 29, 2012, 11:57:41 PM

Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 29, 2012, 07:38:12 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2012, 05:05:02 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

I don't know where people are getting the dislocated shoulder from - its the same injury as last time only on the other shoulder. The odds of this happening are immeasurable. Recovery time many months from now - devastating after having worked so hard to get back to football again. Big miss for ourselves and Tyrone.

the last one was a dethatched tendon- which only weightlifters do typically. Chances of that in Gaa is about 5%

this is a standard dislocated shoulder. a common gaa injury. Its 4 months recovery now post-op. Operation is a lot slicker then it used to be.

heart goes out to him. been through it and its horrible

Not a dislocated shoulder.

Same injury on the other side.

Quote from: DuffleKing on May 30, 2012, 01:55:17 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on May 29, 2012, 11:57:41 PM

Quote from: Mac Eoghain on May 29, 2012, 07:38:12 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2012, 05:05:02 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 29, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Any word on Cavanagh's injury. Is in 6-8 weeks or out for the season?

Dislocated shoulder? he should be back for Tyrone's qualifier game.

I don't know where people are getting the dislocated shoulder from - its the same injury as last time only on the other shoulder. The odds of this happening are immeasurable. Recovery time many months from now - devastating after having worked so hard to get back to football again. Big miss for ourselves and Tyrone.

the last one was a dethatched tendon- which only weightlifters do typically. Chances of that in Gaa is about 5%

this is a standard dislocated shoulder. a common gaa injury. Its 4 months recovery now post-op. Operation is a lot slicker then it used to be.

heart goes out to him. been through it and its horrible

Not a dislocated shoulder.

Same injury on the other side.

never heard of it ever happening on a Gaa pitch. thats even worse then a dislocated shoulder. thats ridiculously unlucky.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 29, 2012, 11:45:50 PM
I cant see any of those players being called out of retirement - also it wouldnt reflect well on the current squad, if MH had to call up gys that have retired.

Irish News have a photo of Brian McGuigan on the back page as main sports story. Seems to be a not so cryptic game of guess who going on.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 29, 2012, 11:45:50 PM
I cant see any of those players being called out of retirement - also it wouldnt reflect well on the current squad, if MH had to call up gys that have retired.

id say that PJ is in deadly condition, but wouldnt be too sure of anyone else...i hope he doesnt have to call them up, and that we would have sufficient resource with the lads we have....just cannot afford any other injuries

He is calling them into the squad. Not garanteed a start .

At the start of the year everything was looking very good due to the new faces brought into the team, I definitely had a feeling that this could have been a big year.  It is now seeming more and more like 2006, with the loss of RoN, Coney and Cavanagh on top of the seemingly ever present injruy worries around Justin McMahon and SON.  I can't see Tyrone doing anything at the business end of the season, Ulster will be the likely prize.  I just hope that the injured players return as good as they were before injury.

I can see Armagh giving Tyrone a right royal hammering (1996), signalling the end of the careers of Gormley, O'Neill, Ricey, Mickey, Philomena Begley, Hugo and Malachi Cush. The Athletic Grounds will reverberate with the delirious applechompers celebrating a long overdue victory over their nemesis or that might be Fearon stomping away from the burger van which was sold out.

Tyrone supporters will be sent home with their collective tail trailing the ground, back to the dreary bumpy roads and the families squabbles over ramparts and loanans. The times are changing. Tyrone's last game was a hammering by Dublin in Dublin. The unmerciful beating the street-urinators will afford us will scar lads forever, like 20 year olds from Mayo now. They look haunted and hunted. "Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio, Armagh for apples, Tyrone for handbags.." Batten down the hatches. It'll be a long cold summer that'll last the rest of our lives. Darkness.

Armagh 3-18
Tyrone 0-9

Or maybe Armagh are middlin. In that case a draw.

Quote from: ONeill on May 30, 2012, 10:48:05 AM
I can see Armagh giving Tyrone a right royal hammering (1996), signalling the end of the careers of Gormley, O'Neill, Ricey, Mickey, Philomena Begley, Hugo and Malachi Cush. The Athletic Grounds will reverberate with the delirious applechompers celebrating a long overdue victory over their nemesis or that might be Fearon stomping away from the burger van which was sold out.

Tyrone supporters will be sent home with their collective tail trailing the ground, back to the dreary bumpy roads and the families squabbles over ramparts and loanans. The times are changing. Tyrone's last game was a hammering by Dublin in Dublin. The unmerciful beating the street-urinators will afford us will scar lads forever, like 20 year olds from Mayo now. They look haunted and hunted. "Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio, Armagh for apples, Tyrone for handbags.." Batten down the hatches. It'll be a long cold summer that'll last the rest of our lives. Darkness.

Armagh 3-18
Tyrone 0-9

Or maybe Armagh are middlin. In that case a draw.

Well O'Neill we acn only hope your right...my doubts are receding!

I think a lot of us would have to agree with Nrico there. We started the year with kinda optimistic high hopes of maybe getting close to Dublin and Cork and being contenders again with the new freshness of youth and speed.

However, I think history is repeating itself and with the afore mentioned players all out long term already then it could prove even a struggle to win Ulster, especially having to come through the hard side of the draw.
Not being cocky but I still think we can beat Armagh but not so sure about Donegal _/Derry
Yes we could have another run through the qualifiers which could benefit the newer team players but maybe our lower expectations now will do us no harm.

I just hope we don't end up losing to the Dubs again. 3 years in a row I can't take

Are there any particular weaknesses in the Tyrone team that Armagh should seek to exploit?

Quote from: Orior on May 30, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
Are there any particular weaknesses in the Tyrone team that Armagh should seek to exploit?

As with most teams now - the ability to shoot from distance. Sean was the great white hope in that regard. 15 orange geansai in their own half.

Also, Tyrone's full back line is still unsettled. Clarke will probably have 2-3 hanging out of him and if you can find another marksman he could make hay.

Finally, it's looking like if you stop P Harte you slow the heartbeat of the side.

Quote from: ballymac on May 29, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
Tyrone injury list is growing and the number of walking wounded is growing. Also events taking place elsewhere are to say the least a distraction. This game is set up for Armagh to win and I don't think it will be a south armagh ambush but a full frontal attack.

Tyrone need to change their game plan as the Armagh manager (McGeeney) has been taking the last few sessions with his team.
Get your money on Armagh now

Are you Marty McFly?

Tyrone's full back line is likely to be:
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Conor Gormley
4. PJ Quinn


On paper Armagh may feel that this is there for the taking. However Tyrone's gameplan will never leave these three exposed. Armagh's best chance is long range point taking, bar Aaron Kernan I don't know who else could manage this for them.

Wonder how would Ricey do in the half forward line

I'd be surprised if we don't have at least one McMahon in the FB line
If I was to pick my best team as of now I'd go for

Packie (need for new square ball rule)
Conor
Justin
PJ
McCarron
Joey
McCaul/Carlin
Colm
Cassidy
Ricey/McNabb
P.Harte
Mark Donnelly
Penrose
SoNeill
Mugsy

If I was backing Id back the buckfast boyos.  I just think they have more zest in their attack.  They will peel away the layers of the Tyrone challenge before pipping the red hands at the post.  I think young Clarke is at the core of all that is good about Armagh. He can deliver on the big day by the pallet.     

Pointless trying to predict the starting 15 at this stage with so many variables having changed. Horrendous luck for big Sean after working so hard to get back to full fitness, really feel for him. What's the story with Mattie Donnelly?

Heard that we just ordered a 20 seater bus to Armagh as opposed to a 40 seater. 

Never heard so much much doom and gloom from the tyronies in all me life,

tyrone will stuff armagh
end of discussion

Tyrone are starting to look weak. Should still have enough to beat the orange men though.

Quote from: omagh_gael on May 30, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
Pointless trying to predict the starting 15 at this stage with so many variables having changed. Horrendous luck for big Sean after working so hard to get back to full fitness, really feel for him. What's the story with Mattie Donnelly?

Think he's wrapped in cotton wool in a padded cell in Fort Knox until the 9th. Can't be too careful now, especially after Stephen O'Neill lost an arm pouring his cereal this morning.

Quote from: naka on May 30, 2012, 04:39:13 PM
tyrone will stuff armagh
end of discussion

that's more like it, no silly cute hoorism, it only suits kerry dungbags to be at that craic, hate when fans try to do it. I reckons we'll stuff u lot though.

do you tyrone people ever get sick of hearing that o'neill is an injury doubt, it seems to constant, and different injuries all the time

Brian McGuigan is believed to be giving serious consideration to an invitation to re-join the Tyrone squad.

The Ardboe playmaker was one of six long-serving Tyrone stars who announced their inter-county retirements last year, but following the news that Sean Cavanagh will miss the rest of the season with a shoulder injury, he could be coaxed back into the fold.

"There is nothing confirmed yet, but certainly it's not out of the equation," explained Tyrone manager Mickey Harte who refused to identify the player who has been asked to come out of retirement.

"There has been some contact made, but there's nothing to be announced just yet. That's still up for grabs, but it's a possibility. It will depend on the person involved, whether they commit to it or not. We won't name anybody until we see if it actually comes to fruition."

Harte admitted that confirmation that Sean Cavanagh's season is over is a huge blow to Tyrone and the player himself.

"It's bad, it's the same - except on the other side - as he got last year, so it's a season-ending injury again. I think that's him for the season again," he told The Irish News.

"Our hearts go out to him because he made such a fight to get back after the last one, worked so hard. We're all behind him and hopefully when he get the operation sorted he'll fight back again, but it'll be next season unfortunately."

Harte is also sweating on the fitness of Cavanagh's younger brother Colm, team captain Stephen O'Neill and defender PJ Quinn ahead of Sunday week's Ulster SFC quarter-final against Armagh.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170142

I suppose they'll be sending for McGuigan's da too.

Great fighter. I was at loftus road in 85 when he put pedrosa away

The smart moneys on Hugh Douglas

Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Quote from: EC Unique on May 31, 2012, 11:29:42 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Why would armagh sacrafice using mckeever to pick up harte. Sure, Kildare have shown everyone that its not that difficult to nullify him

Mc keever will have to stay at home and mark the space, Donnelly willl be all ove the pitch, and mc keever wil be sitting waiting for the runners coming through

Quote from: regal on May 31, 2012, 11:52:47 AM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 31, 2012, 11:29:42 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Why would armagh sacrafice using mckeever to pick up harte. Sure, Kildare have shown everyone that its not that difficult to nullify him

Hardly shown everyone that its easy to nullify him.  The same player can not be MOTM in every game he plays.   

Quote from: Onion Bag on May 31, 2012, 01:22:31 PM
Mc keever will have to stay at home and mark the space, Donnelly willl be all ove the pitch, and mc keever wil be sitting waiting for the runners coming through

Here is young McKeever in the new Armagh strip

(http://www.shrink4men.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tiger-waiting.jpg)

Hair colour more akin to Harte I'd have thought  :D

I hope they cut that long grass in the Morgan Freeman stadium before the game.

The Gaelic life seem pretty sure McGuigan is coming back after the Armagh game.
Can we meet the Dubs in the qualifiers round 1?

Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
I hope they cut that long grass in the Morgan Freeman stadium before the game.

The Gaelic life seem pretty sure McGuigan is coming back after the Armagh game.
Can we meet the Dubs in the qualifiers round 1?

No chance, sure we love waiting for Tyrone in the long grass! ;)

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2012, 02:19:25 PM

Quote from: regal on May 31, 2012, 11:52:47 AM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 31, 2012, 11:29:42 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Why would armagh sacrafice using mckeever to pick up harte. Sure, Kildare have shown everyone that its not that difficult to nullify him

Hardly shown everyone that its easy to nullify him. The same player can not be MOTM in every game he plays.   

Tyrone haven't played anyone since the Kildare game!

Nobody said they had.

Where will Armagh have their homecoming after they bate Tyrone?

Probably in the cathedral O'Neill

(http://www.newsletter.co.uk/webimage/1.3789305.1335770688!image/4211760271.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/4211760271.jpg)

I see Tyrone GAA have updated their Facebook and Twitter to say that Brian McGuigan was at training tonight. Apparently there were another few new faces there as well. I've heard a couple of names mentioned but there was no confirmation of who they are so I'll say nothing. Mickey has to fill a few gaps in the forward line with O'Neill, Coney and Cavanagh now missing for the year.

Would be interesting to know who the other faces were! You'd have to imagine McAliskey and McCurry from u21's may be two of those taking part. Doesn't sound like any other older players were there.

Doesn't say much for the famed tyronnie conveyor belt when they are asking old boys to come back. I would be peeved if I had trained all year to see mc guigan back and starting against the orchard.
I hear Eugene mc kenna is available. : ;D

McGuigan and Canavan came back late in the day in 2005 and it worked out ok then despite the mocking about bringing back Canavan. The young boys were competing with Coney, Cavanagh and O'Neill this year who are all now gone. Makes sense to bring back in a bit of quality to improve the squad. Would welcome another couple of additions.

I spotted Plunkett Donaghy doing star-jumps in the Moy square this evening. Maybe he's had a call from Mickey too?

 ::)

I heard (insert over the hill Tyrone player here) is being called up!!

This joke gets old after a while lads.

I see on the Edendork  facebook page that McCurry was indeed called up for training tonight. He had a great run for the U21's this year, and sure looks like a good prospect for the future.

You Tyronies have no sense of humour. Or maybe you're getting worried we might actually beat you?

McAliskey was at the session. I think there were two other fresh faces as well.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 10:38:19 PM
McGuigan and Canavan came back late in the day in 2005 and it worked out ok then despite the mocking about bringing back Canavan. The young boys were competing with Coney, Cavanagh and O'Neill this year who are all now gone. Makes sense to bring back in a bit of quality to improve the squad. Would welcome another couple of additions.

I'm sure Canavan played nearly every game in 2005. Definitely in that first round game in Omagh v Down in the torrential rain.

Quote from: EC Unique on May 31, 2012, 11:29:42 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Harte will shite himself at the mere sight of McKeever!  :P

Armagh will be alright, if we do lose and dont get to the quarters Paddy will be out and Grimley and geezer will be running the show, ye heard it here first. :)

Quote from: ONeill on June 01, 2012, 12:52:17 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 10:38:19 PM
McGuigan and Canavan came back late in the day in 2005 and it worked out ok then despite the mocking about bringing back Canavan. The young boys were competing with Coney, Cavanagh and O'Neill this year who are all now gone. Makes sense to bring back in a bit of quality to improve the squad. Would welcome another couple of additions.

I'm sure Canavan played nearly every game in 2005. Definitely in that first round game in Omagh v Down in the torrential rain.

That's correct Canavan came off the bench in Omagh against Down to turn the game.

Wee Brian cam back a day or 2 before the Cavan game and came on to steady the ship as Tyrone came from behind to draw with Cavan.

Quote from: stew on June 01, 2012, 01:29:29 AM

Quote from: EC Unique on May 31, 2012, 11:29:42 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 31, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Its a big blow with the injuries but frig all this negativity. Its championship time and what better way to start than with a trip to our big rivals Armagh. We'll beat them, hammer the Donegal robots and go on to win the most unlikely of our 4 All Irelands. Mark Donnelly will run the legs of McKeever next week and Mulligan will produce his best performance in years.

I could see McKeever picking up Harte no matter where Harte starts. I could also see mcKeever getting a red card as his frustrations at Harte giving him a roasting boil over.

Harte will shite himself at the mere sight of McKeever!  :P

Armagh will be alright, if we do lose and dont get to the quarters Paddy will be out and Grimley and geezer will be running the show, ye heard it here first. :)

Can ye sort out an apartment in Lurgan for Seanie Johnston?

My point was Canavan only came back for the championship and it was after a league semi final defeat to Wexford. There was plenty of talk about Harte being desperate etc then.

Quote from: ONeill on May 30, 2012, 10:48:05 AM
I can see Armagh giving Tyrone a right royal hammering (1996), signalling the end of the careers of Gormley, O'Neill, Ricey, Mickey, Philomena Begley, Hugo and Malachi Cush. The Athletic Grounds will reverberate with the delirious applechompers celebrating a long overdue victory over their nemesis or that might be Fearon stomping away from the burger van which was sold out.

Tyrone supporters will be sent home with their collective tail trailing the ground, back to the dreary bumpy roads and the families squabbles over ramparts and loanans. The times are changing. Tyrone's last game was a hammering by Dublin in Dublin. The unmerciful beating the street-urinators will afford us will scar lads forever, like 20 year olds from Mayo now. They look haunted and hunted. "Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio, Armagh for apples, Tyrone for handbags.." Batten down the hatches. It'll be a long cold summer that'll last the rest of our lives. Darkness.

Armagh 3-18
Tyrone 0-9

Or maybe Armagh are middlin. In that case a draw.

O'Neill- is this a whole new generation of Armagh youngsters you're on the wind with?
I thought us auld hands (red or otherwise) would be more likely to sit on the sidelines and then wait for the emergency call up at the end.

Unfortunately for us lovers of apples and oranges we are a long way off being able to compete with Tyrone and the bookies rightly reflect that. The advantages are on the field and especially at this time on the sideline. However, especially given the Tyrone injury issues, the return of the boys of the old brigade, Cross players back etc there are a couple of interesting things playing out at the minute, and Armagh could actually catch Tyrone in the long grass if they have a really bad day. Also given the fact that it is Armagh and Tyrone in the championship, logic goes out the window...

Still Tyrone by 5 (unfortunately) with one handbags incident where we "coulda woulda shoulda" to cling to

I do however vote for a homecoming parade if we bate ye, ya bollix

TBH it doesnt really matter who wins between Armagh and Tyrone (as long as its Tyrone  :P) none of them are exactly going to go on and treaten Kerry Cork Dublin Kildare Mayo and the likes. Ulster football is definitely on the wane, it needs the likes of Tyrone and Down and Armagh and Donegal when they played a different style, to keep the youngsters interested.

A lot of young fellas/girls have grown up knowing/seeing a great deal of success including All irelands and that generated alot for the GAA in the north, not only in Tyrone but all counties. This level of achievement will need to be maintained to keep the same levels of interest. Sorry a different topic don't want to hi jack. Back to slagging

Sean is not injured, nor is Coney O Neill Mugsy Joe or anyone else in the squad. We will be flying fit come the 10th and Brian is only there to make sure the water gets on quickly. Armagh beware we will be in with the strimmers on the 9th, just to make sure there is no long grass  :D

http://bit.ly/KQ7E8k (http://bit.ly/KQ7E8k)

Quote
Ulster Herald:
Brian McGuigan has said any potential return for Tyrone won't come until after the June 10 Ulster Championship opener with Armagh.

Despite taking part in an in house training game with the Tyrone senior squad in Clogher on Thursday evening, the Ardboe play-maker has repeated his assertion made to the Ulster Herald this week, that any return to the county set-up won't come before the clash with the Orchard county in the Athletic Grounds.

"It's simply not feasible for me to come in before the Armagh match. The boys who are there have put in a serious effort since before Christmas, and there's no way I'm going to come in this close to the championship and disrupt things," he said this week.

"After the Armagh game we'll look at it properly, see where I'm at, where Tyrone are at, and make a decision which we feel is going to be in everyone's best interests."

Speaking on Friday, McGuigan confirmed that his position remains the same.

The Ardboe man played for 30 minutes in the in-house game, which featured a number of promising club players from around Tyrone, yet to be drafted into the injury-hit senior side.

Mickey Harte's injury headache was further compounded this week after Moy talisman Sean Cavanagh was ruled out for the rest of the season. Ronan O'Neill, Tommy McGuigan and Kyle Coney have also been ruled out the 2012 championship.

It's understood that Peter Harte, Ronan McNabb, Stephen O'Neill and Colm Cavanagh sat out last night's training game, which featured county under-21 stars Conor McAliskey (Clonoe) and Darren McCurry (Edendork), who have impressed for their clubs in this year's All County League campaign.

It's also believed that approaches have been made to a number of recently retired county stars to return for Tyrone, however the Ardboe man appears the only retiree that has heeded Mickey Harte's calls to date.

the pick of these two teams wouldnt beat cork or dublin or kerry in the championship, bragging rights are all thats at stake and its pors last game with armagh in the ulster championship if tyrone win so its not all bad.

Who said it was his last game?  :o

For those heading to match on Sunday the main Moy Armagh road is closed. You will need to find another route and give a bit extra time. Hopefully it will be a long journey home for Tyrone supporters!!!

I have heard Toner is fit to play but i have not heard any news on Mackin

Interesting to see McCurry called up for Tyrone - sounds like he was very good in the in house game last Thursday. He's small and only 19 but well capable of getting a score. Wonder will he make the bench for this. The Ulster championship needs a good game at this stage and hopefully this will provide it. I don't care if neither team turns out to be All Ireland contenders, you still want to beat one of your biggest rivals in the championship.

Can any of you tell me which side of the pitch Nialls Crescent Terrace is?

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2012, 12:38:08 PM
Can any of you tell me which side of the pitch Nialls Crescent Terrace is?

Behind the bottom goals

Quote from: Armaghgael on June 05, 2012, 12:41:58 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 05, 2012, 12:38:08 PM
Can any of you tell me which side of the pitch Nialls Crescent Terrace is?

Behind the bottom goals

Cheers - what's the covered terrace called? Trying to order tickets here on tickets.ie

Drumarg? I think it is

Any season ticket holders here get their ticket in the post yet?

Quote from: Onion Bag on June 05, 2012, 01:32:00 PM
Any season ticket holders here get their ticket in the post yet?

Logged into my season ticket account and print at home tickets were available to print. Section 104

Cheers must do that

Does anyone know what way the sections work in the main stand?

Do you think it will be possible to buy tickets there at the ground as I'm not sure will I be going or not just yet.

What can ye tell us about this young McCurry lad?
What club is he? Where does he play? Was he a good minor?
I think I remember him?

Any more team news? Are both McMahon's fully fit?
I expect FF line to have Penrose, S.O'Neill and Mugsy
Interesting what Heaney had to say today in his article about players able to think for themselves and how McGuinness thinks Kerry have that in abundance.

According the the forecast it sounds like Armagh is in for a wet week.

Is Snout in the squad for this match now or not til the qualifier?

McCurry is from Edendork. He's around 19/20 and played for the u21's this year. I think he's the second top scorer in division 1 of the league and added another 8 points on Sunday. Small but very accurate and tricky. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets game time before the summer is over.

Anyone like to hazard a guess at the team? Here's mine but its very much injury dependent:
McConnell
McRory (I'm assuming PJ is injured)
Justy
Gormley
McCarron
Harte
Ricey
Cassidy
Cavanagh (if not fit then Murphy)
McNabb (if fit, if not Ricey to CHB and Sean O'Neill on)
Mark Donnelly
Joe McMahon
Penrose
O'Neill
Mulligan

That is similar to the team I picked last week though I'd play Joey in defence maybe CHB and play Harte at 11 or 12 where he's probably gonna end up anyway.
He's gonna be man marked no matter where he plays I'd say.

Are there Childrens tickets available for this game?

My sources have told you that the match on Sunday is on course to be a sell out and patrons can purchase tickets from County Committees or ticket.ie (http://ticket.ie)!!

Is that who that man was with the long coat?

Quote from: ziggysego on June 05, 2012, 05:18:27 PM
My sources have told you that the match on Sunday is on course to be a sell out and patrons can purchase tickets from County Committees or ticket.ie (http://ticket.ie)
tickets.ie (http://www.tickets.ie/)!!

The closer I get to this game the more confident I am of an orchard victory
Was talking to a few orchard lads and every one was adamant that they would do the business

Quote from: naka on June 05, 2012, 06:16:10 PM
Was talking to a few orchard lads and every one was adamant that they would do the business

I was talking to more Tyrone lads, than you were talking to Armagh lads, who were confident to a man of victory on Sunday, so there!  :P

Once the tickets are in hand this game suddenly becomes very real. Can Armagh's young lads stand up and be counted? I believe so and fully expect victory for Macha's men.

Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2012, 05:30:09 PM
Is that who that man was with the long coat?

I'd rather not talk about him....  :'(

Joe McQuillan will ref this one.

Also very confident that Armagh can do the business this week. The media have talked up Tyrone all winter with no real good reason. They are a spent force, a top 10 team together with Armagh but no longer All Ireland contendors. Armagh at 2/1 are the bet of the weekend. Ridiculous price considering we are at home, I will be having some of that thank you very much.

Think the bookies have it about right to be honest. Tyrone deserve to be warm favourites. By all accounts, they beat us comfortably enough last season and have been in much better form this year. We have a chance no doubt but 2/1 is a fair enough estimation of it.

Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2012, 07:23:10 PM
Also very confident that Armagh can do the business this week. The media have talked up Tyrone all winter with no real good reason. They are a spent force, a top 10 team together with Armagh but no longer All Ireland contendors. Armagh at 2/1 are the bet of the weekend. Ridiculous price considering we are at home, I will be having some of that thank you very much.

A spent force? Really? don't bet all your pocket money

See Mickey has drafted in this young fella from Eglish to ease Tyrone's injury crisis.

Reports are that he has a great spring and will put Jamie Clarke in his pocket on Sunday.

http://www.u.tv/News/Wallaby-in-the-wild-in-Co-Tyrone/79738496-bed1-486c-8fe6-2b4c5a1c4ca0

Quote from: Orangemac on June 05, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
See Mickey has drafted in this young fella from Eglish to ease Tyrone's injury crisis.

Reports are that he has a great spring and will put Jamie Clarke in his pocket on Sunday.

http://www.u.tv/News/Wallaby-in-the-wild-in-Co-Tyrone/79738496-bed1-486c-8fe6-2b4c5a1c4ca0

::)

Don't believe all the romours you hear bouncing around.

McQuillan was woeful in the Div 2 final. Gave Tyrone nothing.

Loving this typical Tyrone modesty and you can see the orangemen getting more bullish about their chances in fact  arrogance and a lack of respect for this tyrone team is evident  from the noisy neighbours. As little mix sang It's not hard to fall when you have a head like a cannonball and youse boyos certainly do.

Quote from: tyroneman on June 05, 2012, 10:15:08 PM
McQuillan was woeful in the Div 2 final. Gave Tyrone nothing.

He actually wasn't the league final ref. There seems to be a growing confidence among Armagh fans as the game draws closer. Even in the Tyrone Times today the experts went 7 5 in favour of Armagh, though I think 2 of the experts were from Armagh.

Given the make up of the Tyrone team I don't think its right to say they're a spent force, just like it wasn't in 2008. I wonder are people reading too much into the league final. It seems to be used to judge Tyrone more than the previous 12 games before it.

I honestly can't see anything but a Tyrone win. I just don't think we have the forwards to put up a bigger scoreline than Tyrone.

was in the Chinese in the Moy tonight and your big lad with all the tattoos was taking the orders like  be damned.....

Anyway in walks Plunkett donaghy with his lovely curls flowing behind him. He asked for a chip butty and when tattoo man said they don't do chip butty's he asked for a fish supper with curry. Anyway, he told me that Micky Harte was on the phone looking to know if he would come out of retirement for next week. He said he might but would check if Eugene McKenna was free first of all.

:)  :)


P.S. Chris.....  just put in the garden (Lawn) has made himself available for selection.....

Tyrone for Sam 2012 (PMSLROFSMFHOIMHO)

QuoteHe actually wasn't the league final ref

Right enough, don't know why I associated him with that match.....Coldrick was bad though.......

It was the Donegal game last year where McQuillan had a real shocker against us

Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2012, 07:23:10 PM
Also very confident that Armagh can do the business this week. The media have talked up Tyrone all winter with no real good reason. They are a spent force, a top 10 team together with Armagh but no longer All Ireland contendors. Armagh at 2/1 are the bet of the weekend. Ridiculous price considering we are at home, I will be having some of that thank you very much.

It's a great chance to cause upset however so much can happen on the day. This game will need a strong ref.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 06, 2012, 01:43:49 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2012, 07:23:10 PM
Also very confident that Armagh can do the business this week. The media have talked up Tyrone all winter with no real good reason. They are a spent force, a top 10 team together with Armagh but no longer All Ireland contendors. Armagh at 2/1 are the bet of the weekend. Ridiculous price considering we are at home, I will be having some of that thank you very much.

It's a great chance to cause upset however so much can happen on the day. This game will need a strong ref.

Unfortunately there is unlikely to be a change of referee at this stage and Joe Mc Quillan will still be reffing it.

Armagh Team Named

1.        PHILIP Mc EVOY
2.        ANDY MALLON
3.        BRENDAN DONAGHY
4.        DECLAN Mc KENNA
5.        AARON KERNAN
6.        CIARAN MC KEEVER
7.        FINNIAN MORIARTY
8.        KIERAN TONER
9.        MALACHY MACKIN
10.        AIDAN FORKER
11.        KEVIN DYAS
12.        ANTO DUFFY
13.        JAMIE CLARKE
14.        BRIAN MALLON
15.        CAOLAN RAFFERTY

Must admit, that Armagh defense looks very very strong. There wont be much room or space there at all. Decent midfield as well - Toner is good in the air & Mackin is mobile for a big fella.
However the potency of their forward would give me a bit more encouragement personally.

Havnt seen much of Armagh post Stevie Mac. Who will be taking their frees? Aaron Kernan from the left obviously, but what about the other side?? ... Could have a big bearing in the result.

Since the draw was made I was very confident of a Tyrone victory. That confidence has eroded significantly as the game fast approaches. Sean Cavanagh isnt as big a loss as some make out, he hasnt played well for Tyrone since the 2009 Ulster Final - almost 3 years! Ronan O'Neill likewise as even if fit he wouldnt have started. I dont believe Tommy McGuigan would have started either. Kyle Coneys injury however made me feel sick to the stomach. He was primed for a very big year & without question will be a huge loss.
Any of the Trillick lads shed any light on Mattie Donnellys fitness??
Surely McCurry & McAliskey will not see game time? What message would that send out to Paddy McNiece, JOnny Lafferty & Niall McKenna??

Quote from: God14 on June 06, 2012, 09:32:50 AM
Must admit, that Armagh defense looks very very strong. There wont be much room or space there at all. Decent midfield as well - Toner is good in the air & Mackin is mobile for a big fella.
However the potency of their forward would give me a bit more encouragement personally.

Havnt seen much of Armagh post Stevie Mac. Who will be taking their frees? Aaron Kernan from the left obviously, but what about the other side?? ... Could have a big bearing in the result.

Since the draw was made I was very confident of a Tyrone victory. That confidence has eroded significantly as the game fast approaches. Sean Cavanagh isnt as big a loss as some make out, he hasnt played well for Tyrone since the 2009 Ulster Final - almost 3 years! Ronan O'Neill likewise as even if fit he wouldnt have started. I dont believe Tommy McGuigan would have started either. Kyle Coneys injury however made me feel sick to the stomach. He was primed for a very big year & without question will be a huge loss.
Any of the Trillick lads shed any light on Mattie Donnellys fitness??
Surely McCurry & McAliskey will not see game time? What message would that send out to Paddy McNiece, JOnny Lafferty & Niall McKenna??

I think Ronan O'Neill would have been primed for a big role this summer if he hadn't suffered the injury.  I would like to see Lafferty get the chance as he is big, very fast and can score from distance.

Quote from: Onion Bag on June 06, 2012, 08:54:18 AM
Armagh Team Named

1.        PHILIP Mc EVOY
2.        ANDY MALLON
3.        BRENDAN DONAGHY
4.        DECLAN Mc KENNA
5.        AARON KERNAN
6.        CIARAN MC KEEVER
7.        FINNIAN MORIARTY
8.        KIERAN TONER
9.        MALACHY MACKIN
10.        AIDAN FORKER
11.        KEVIN DYAS
12.        ANTO DUFFY
13.        JAMIE CLARKE
14.        BRIAN MALLON
15.        CAOLAN RAFFERTY

By my reckoning there are 5 lads making their ulster championship debuts. Not many surprises but you would have to worry about the lack of a right footed free taker. Dyas to drop into defense and bmallon out to occupy pharte?

In reserve, we have:
defense - morgan / duffy
midfield - lavery / hanratty / vernon
forwards - mcparland / mcverry / kingham / tkernan

Three debutantes by my reckoning? McKenna, forker & Rafferty?

Terrace Tickets for the Armagh v Tyrone will go on
sale to the general public on Wednesday 6th June
between 7.30pm - 9.30pm in the Morgan Athletic Grounds

Just keep youse thinking Petey Harte will be centre back!!! Sure he has been playing there in all te inhose games this past 3 weeks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog

Quote from: DuffleKing on June 06, 2012, 09:56:47 AM
Three debutantes by my reckoning? McKenna, forker & Rafferty?

Have McEvoy and Anto Duffy played in ulster before?

I think it is Anto's debut.

Quote from: Onion Bag on June 06, 2012, 08:54:18 AM
Armagh Team Named

1.        PHILIP Mc EVOY
2.        ANDY MALLON
3.        BRENDAN DONAGHY
4.        DECLAN Mc KENNA
5.        AARON KERNAN
6.        CIARAN MC KEEVER
7.        FINNIAN MORIARTY
8.        KIERAN TONER
9.        MALACHY MACKIN
10.        AIDAN FORKER
11.        KEVIN DYAS
12.        ANTO DUFFY
13.        JAMIE CLARKE
14.        BRIAN MALLON
15.        CAOLAN RAFFERTY

And the team that were on the wrong end of a drubbing in Healy Park  ;) last year:

Quote
1. Hearty
2. Mallon
3. Donaghy
4. Dyas
5. Kernan
6. McKeever
7. Duffy
8. Toner
9. Lavery
10. Vernon
11. McDonnell
12. Mackin
13. Jamie
14. Padden
15. O'Rourke

Five changes...

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 06, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog

Sure that first point was clearly wide, even mcalinden gave a wide

I'd be happy enough with our defence except for the one man fouling machine that is Finn Mo. No huge surprises as I'd heard that James Morgan has 20 stitches in an arm injury so I wouldn't be listing him as backup for defence.
I haven't seen Toner play since he came back from injury but I would have concerns over his mobility and sharpness. Big Mal won't let us down in this department.
We need massive games from Aidan Forker and Caolan Rafferty as Tyrone will form a defensive wall around Jamie like they did last year.  We need a plan to utilise the resulting space.  Rafferty will have a big influence on proceedings with his pace and ball winning ability but we need him to put the last piece of the jigsaw in place and finish the moves off. He needs 4/5 points from play to take himself to the next level which he is capable of. I also have big hopes for Forker who has the ability in bucketloads. I presume that Dyas will be given the job of tracking Peter Harte.
Our left sided frees are a huge concern as Brian Mallon kicks them all with his instep and though he is accurate, anything outside thirty metres he doesn't have the boot for it.
We have pace in the forward line but do we have the ability to finish the moves???
I'm glad to see we haven't gone for big Kingham and if things aren't going well up front I hope to see McVerry and McParland introduced.

Armagh: P McEvoy; A Mallon, B Donaghy, D McKenna; A Kernan, C McKeever, F Moriarty; K Toner, M Machin; A Forker, K Dyas, A Duffy; J Clarke, B Mallon, C Rafferty.

Disappointed that Vernon did'nt make the starting line up (Is he injured?) Also I thought Hanratty was tailor made for this game. I would have serious doubts about Moriarty & Dyas, very lucky to get a start in my book...

God only two Cross men in that team, that is unbelievable given the quality. Still think Tyrone will win this, may not be much in it but we don't have enough firepower.

Can anyone confirm, is the standing areas of the pitch all separated, i mean, Behind the goals both ends and the terrace across from the seated stand or can you decide were you want to be, i have 2 seated tickets but would prefer to stand over the far side

They are from the seated areas.

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
They are from the seated areas.

Can you move freely from behind the goals to the side terrace?

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 06, 2012, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
They are from the seated areas.

Can you move freely from behind the goals to the side terrace?

This is what i was asking, just didnt make it very clear

A re-cap from last years qualifier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KyWNqEpwWo

P Harte made hay the whole second half, he will be a marked man on Sunday. Expect a few heavy knocks early on.

Would the Armagh posters feel this years team is stronger than last years? Stevey Mc will clearly be a huge loss.

Any updates on the Tyrone injuries. Will be gutted if PJ Quinn misses out. I've enjoyed his performances this year. Fitness worries over Colm Cav, McNabb and McCaul as well. Could we possibly have both ricey and block in from the start? Where will big Joe line out? Plenty of questions to be answered. Team will be interesting for sure.

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 06, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
A re-cap from last years qualifier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KyWNqEpwWo

P Harte made hay the whole second half, he will be a marked man on Sunday. Expect a few heavy knocks early on.

Would the Armagh posters feel this years team is stronger than last years? Stevey Mc will clearly be a huge loss.

And why would last years qualifier have any impact on this years Ulster championship.

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 06, 2012, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
They are from the seated areas.

Can you move freely from behind the goals to the side terrace?

Just after talking to our club secretary there, he said all standing tickets are the same, they just say terracing on them,

Yes your terrace ticket allows you to stand where you like, you can walk freely from behind either goals and into the main terrace but with a sellout crowd expected i doubt there'll be much room. I suggest you get in for minor match and get a decent spot...P.S. if your behind the goals and it rains then your soaked ;) and it gives heavy showers for Sun afternoon

Strongish team but think there may be 1 or 2 changes come throw in.  Not sure if it is good enough to win but there is nothing to lose.  \tyrone obviously are favourites, but so were Down last year.  Siege mentality worth 2-3 points for Armagh.

Thanks for the info lads, been years since I've been at the Athletic Grounds and flying over for the game on Sunday. One last question - any decent pubs nearby to go for a few beers before the games?

Red Neds and the Toby Jug - even nip into the Og's club and you are right at the ground.

Don't go to the Victoria Bar

Quote from: Onion Bag on June 06, 2012, 12:37:56 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on June 06, 2012, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
They are from the seated areas.

Can you move freely from behind the goals to the side terrace?

This is what i was asking, just didnt make it very clear

I think so I meant not from the seated area.

Can't see that team starting. I'm sure the management don't want to show their hand to the enemy. We'll know at 4pm on Sunday. One things for sure, we won't be as tactically naive as last year in Omagh. I have a really good feeling about this game, Home advantage and the fact it's tyrone, like bcb mentioned earlier, is definitely worth a few points start.
The anticipation is rising.................

I wouldn't be expecting any last minute changes tbh, name your team & get on with it. Gamesmanship with Harte is pointless, only  going to be one winner.

Quote from: regal on June 06, 2012, 10:28:13 AM

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 06, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07it4_evog

Sure that first point was clearly wide, even mcalinden gave a wide

well that's McGuigans reputation as a legend fucked

Quote from: Feckitt on June 06, 2012, 04:55:15 PM
Don't go to the Victoria Bar

Bad Guinness?

That Armagh team would lift the spirits of Tyrone men. Ciaran McKeever - rated by so many within Armagh and outsiders too - I always feel he's a liability on the back foot. Will lose the head or give away silly frees.

Thon Mckeever is a soft, lapping hoor and he'll go out and do someone within mins I bet ye. I sure hope nobody asks him was he at the queens jubilee.

How on earth can Mickey Harte or the Tyrone team concentrate with all the coverage of the trial in Mauritius...puts the game in perspective.

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 07, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
How on earth can Mickey Harte or the Tyrone team concentrate with all the coverage of the trial in Mauritius...puts the game in perspective.

I agree it must be tough on Mickey Harte, can't imagine it would affect many of the players in the same way though.

It amazes me how Mickey Harte is in any way sane after the last 18 months. I'm not sure how he has continued in the way he has.

Often thought about that myself but i suppose it's the only thing that takes his mind of that terrible tragedy and gives him something to focus on as if he were to sit at home every day thinking about what them bastids done to his daughter he would end up in the ETU

Quote from: BennyCake on June 07, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
It amazes me how Mickey Harte is in any way sane after the last 18 months. I'm not sure how he has continued in the way he has.

It's the football that keeps Mickey going and Michaela wouldn't want it any other way. Great man Tyrone lucky to have him.

paddy heaney did some slabbering in the irish news today, gave away the armagh game plan that everyone knows, hope paddy o rourke isn't too angry with him!

Didn't get to read Heaney - what gameplan did he reveal?

that kingham would be playing full forward, and we were naming a dummy team by having brian mallon at full forward, just like down did last week he says. Keep it on the QT by the way, don't tell anyone i told ya

also that dyas will follow pete harte around the field
and that the mood is good in the armagh camp!

From the Indo - just look at the attendances - incredible - 


Our table gives the results of all Armagh-Tyrone championship games since 2000. Remarkably, there's only a three-point differential between them in their aggregate scores from nine games -- which were watched by 386,890 spectators.

2000: Armagh 0-12 Tyrone 0-8, Ulster quarter-final, Clones (Att: 31,461)

2001: Tyrone 1-14 Armagh 1-9, Ulster quarter-final, Clones (30,578)

2002: Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 1-12, Ulster quarter-final, Clones (31,617)

2002: Armagh 2-13 Tyrone 0-16, Ulster quarter-final replay, Clones (29,423)

2003: Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-9, All-Ireland final, Croke Park (79,391)

2005: Armagh 2-8 Tyrone 0-14, Ulster final, Croke Park (60,186)

2005: Armagh 0-13 Tyrone 0-11, Ulster final replay, Croke Park (31,954)

2005: Tyrone 1-13 Armagh 1-12, All-Ireland semi-final, Croke Park ( 65,858)

2009: Tyrone 2-10 Armagh 1-10 (Ulster quarter-final, Clones (26,422)

Total: Tyrone 4, Armagh 3, Draws 2.

Aggregate score: Tyrone 5-110 (125pts); Armagh 8-98 (122pts)

Titles

Tyrone: 3 All-Ireland (2003, '05, '08); 5 Ulster ('01, '03, '07, '09, 2010); 2 NFL ('02, '03)

Armagh: 1 All-Ireland ('02); 6 Ulster (2000, '02, '04, '05, '06, '08); 1 NFL ('05)

You're talking through your hole Paddy.  I think he's way off as well - or at least I hope to god he's way off - what is the point of putting Kingham in FF?  Meat & Drink to either of the McMahons, Brian Mallon there would cause much more trouble.

Tyrone by 27.Ill just be goin for the craic ;). Its Tyrones to lose.

I see from the teamtalkmag website they're naming the team at Kelly's in Garvaghey.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/15744 (http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/15744)

It seems like its not running too smoothly though

I am expecting one surprise from Mickey somewhere in the team and I won't be surprised if its in the forward line.
How's about Colm Cavanagh at FF for the crack?

Tyrone team:

Packy McConnell
A McCrory
Justy McMahon
Dermy Carlin
C McCarron
Conor Gormley
S O'Neill
Joe McMahon
C Cavanagh
R McNabb
Mark Donnelly
P Harte
Penrose
SoN
Mugsy

Dermy and Sean O'Neill would be the standout surprises in that 15. I suppose McNabb starting too if you were to believe Paddy Heaney in todays IN. His insider info on Kingham starting for Armagh is probably bollix as well.

Is the stream working for you? Championship draw to be made too

The stream is working now.
Interesting team and glad to see Peter Harte named in the FF line and I like to see Joey play in MF.
Wonder will Penfold stay in the FF line or will we see SON and Mugsy v 5 defenders again
I can't stand watching games like that with players scared to kick it into the FF line.

Quote from: maximus on June 07, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Is the stream working for you? Championship draw to be made too

Power cut. First the kangaroo, now this. Feckin apple-chompers up til anything.

Quote from: ONeill on June 07, 2012, 09:27:18 PM

Quote from: maximus on June 07, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Is the stream working for you? Championship draw to be made too

Power cut. First the kangaroo, now this. Feckin apple-chompers up til anything.

I wonder who's to blame?

(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Ciaran_McKeever_Arm_668315t.jpg)

With McNabb and Harte named in the forward line are we going to see a conventional extra defender or will Sean O'Neill be freed up to play a similar role to Harte's during the league?

Quote from: ONeill on June 07, 2012, 09:27:18 PM

Quote from: maximus on June 07, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Is the stream working for you? Championship draw to be made too

Power cut. First the kangaroo, now this. Feckin apple-chompers up til anything.

(http://www.fhm.com/App_Media/Uploads/Images/Original/Kangaroo-onesie.jpg)

Before you ask O'Neill and others
NO THAT'S NOT ME

Quote from: bennydorano on June 07, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
You're talking through your hole Paddy.  I think he's way off as well - or at least I hope to god he's way off - what is the point of putting Kingham in FF?  Meat & Drink to either of the McMahons, Brian Mallon there would cause much more trouble.

Sadly I suspect Heaney's spot on. Its exactly the sort of devious ploy which has gained our dear leader his lofty position amongst the master tacticians of Gaelic football.

Heaney's analysis of Dyas's role is surely immediately shot with  Peter harte's listed HF role? If kingham starts we are screwed, Por & Grimley surely see that he's a middling footballer at best & he's taylor made for JMCM @ FB.

Who has missed out then either through injury or team selection?

Red Sean must be delighted to have made that starting line up having been suspended for so long.
What's the subs then?

Quote from: bennydorano on June 07, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
Heaney's analysis of Dyas's role is surely immediately shot with  Peter harte's listed HF role? If kingham starts we are screwed, Por & Grimley surely see that he's a middling footballer at best & he's taylor made for JMCM @ FB.

How much store can we really put on the numbers on jerseys these days, particularly with Tyrone?

True both teams play a number 6 who is not a defender.

Quote from: rrhf on June 07, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
True both teams play a number 6 who is not a defender.

You called it a few weeks ago when you said Harte's days at 6 are numbered.

Whilst you're at it - what should I wear tomorrow night for a smart-casual affair?

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 07, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
Tyrone team:

Packy McConnell
A McCrory
Justy McMahon
Dermy Carlin
C McCarron
Conor Gormley
S O'Neill
Joe McMahon
C Cavanagh
R McNabb
Mark Donnelly
P Harte
Penrose
SoN
Mugsy

Dermy and Sean O'Neill would be the standout surprises in that 15. I suppose McNabb starting too if you were to believe Paddy Heaney in todays IN. His insider info on Kingham starting for Armagh is probably bollix as well.

Interesting team selected there... glad to see P Harte playing as a forward though as he gave Kernan a torrid time there last year.  this guy Mc Nabb is a good player and i see everyone second guessing who will go where and play in what role - Tyrone are the masters of every player being good on the ball - so no matter where they line out - they wont stay there for the duration.  Players pop up allover the place.  Mc Meniman used to score regularly, Mc Mahon scored a goal in the corresponding fixture last year and he lined out full back..  these players will go where the game takes them.  I just hope we get over Monaghan in next round and Tyrone get to the final to play us.  We owe yas one from 03...

Quote from: bennydorano on June 06, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
I wouldn't be expecting any last minute changes tbh, name your team & get on with it. Gamesmanship with Harte is pointless, only  going to be one winner.

Player for player you wouldn't say Tyrone are miles better than Armagh but if the game is in the melting pot (whatever that is) with 15 mins to go, it is hard to see Paddy outwitting Mickey Harte.

On the pitch this is Brian Mallons time to surely stamp his name on a championship if he is ever going to do it. He has been around since about 2004 but has always played 2nd fiddle to Oisin,Ronan Clarke and Stevie McD. He is now the most experienced forward we have.

O Neill
Your options
Smart casual - just tuck the target jersey into the jeans apply belt black boots, polish scalp.
Casual - rocwell jersey hanging loose over blue jeans, no belt gutties, fluffy head. Either outfit is on for the weekend.
To complete look add bottle of buttermilk to a hang sandwich. Last man out of glenavy please turn out the lights

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2657060?day=2 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2657060?day=2)

Where is the box office collection at the Athletic Grounds?

I know its off topic - but its the target audience im after...
Just seen Tyrone minors at 4/6. I was actually expecting to see odds closer to 4/11 or 1/3

Tempted to go in heavy at 4/6, MAXIMUM bet style...

Whats the views on here in this match? Is my confidence in Tyrone minors misplaced??

Does a terrace ticket allow you to stand anywhere or are each side fenced off?

Quote from: God14 on June 08, 2012, 12:04:09 PM
I know its off topic - but its the target audience im after...
Just seen Tyrone minors at 4/6. I was actually expecting to see odds closer to 4/11 or 1/3

Tempted to go in heavy at 4/6, MAXIMUM bet style...

Whats the views on here in this match? Is my confidence in Tyrone minors misplaced??

what are you forming your assumptions on if you want to 'go in heavy' ?
minor football is as unpredictable as the wind and not the place ot be going in heavy i'd think
some are saying that the armagh minors at 6/4 are being overpriced.
have you actually seen either side play this year ?

Quote from: BennyCake on June 08, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
Does a terrace ticket allow you to stand anywhere or are each side fenced off?

you can access any terracing part of the ground with that ticket bennycake, everywhere except the main stand

@ Abble

Obviously I havnt seen Armagh minors play. However they hardly set the world alight with their performances in the Ulster minor league? Played 3 with just the one victory. Hence the reason for the post - looking some insight or info from the armagh perspective

Tyrone minor team very strong, yes I have seen them play in the league. Plus well aware of them from Holy Trinity vocationals which I followed closely (due to family involvement), & McRory.

That 13/2 for the Tom Markham could look big come 3.30 on Sunday afternoon as well.
But as you say minor can be unpredictable

very little hype on the ground from talking to people. From working in a school, and chatting to my own team mates, it seems to be way down the discussion. I guess that's the modern championship. Myself, i havn't been to watch armagh in championship since the 2008 ulster final, but think i'm gonna head to it on sunday for a day out, can see us nicking this one if dyas gives harte a good chopping

Quote from: Orangemac on June 07, 2012, 10:58:59 PM

Quote from: bennydorano on June 06, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
I wouldn't be expecting any last minute changes tbh, name your team & get on with it. Gamesmanship with Harte is pointless, only  going to be one winner.

Player for player you wouldn't say Tyrone are miles better than Armagh but if the game is in the melting pot (whatever that is) with 15 mins to go, it is hard to see Paddy outwitting Mickey Harte.

On the pitch this is Brian Mallons time to surely stamp his name on a championship if he is ever going to do it. He has been around since about 2004 but has always played 2nd fiddle to Oisin,Ronan Clarke and Stevie McD. He is now the most experienced forward we have.

We've been hearing that about Brian Mallon for a few years now! What age is he now - 28/29?  If he was going to show something it would have been by now.

Armagh's biggest advantage going into this game (at least before Heaney spilled the beans - is he paying an informer for inside information or something?) is their unpredictability. Who knows what Armagh side will turn up on Sunday.  It's been the recurring theme under Paddy O'Rourke. Good one day, awful the next. Some of our young players up front will bring a bit of the unknown factor to Tyrone. A couple of them could really shine and make a name for themselves. On the other hand...  A win would be great but i think most Armagh supporters would take a lot of consolation from a good team performance and some promising individual displays from the newer players. 

Quote from: Armamike on June 08, 2012, 06:27:24 PM

Quote from: Orangemac on June 07, 2012, 10:58:59 PM

Quote from: bennydorano on June 06, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
I wouldn't be expecting any last minute changes tbh, name your team & get on with it. Gamesmanship with Harte is pointless, only  going to be one winner.

Player for player you wouldn't say Tyrone are miles better than Armagh but if the game is in the melting pot (whatever that is) with 15 mins to go, it is hard to see Paddy outwitting Mickey Harte.

On the pitch this is Brian Mallons time to surely stamp his name on a championship if he is ever going to do it. He has been around since about 2004 but has always played 2nd fiddle to Oisin,Ronan Clarke and Stevie McD. He is now the most experienced forward we have.

We've been hearing that about Brian Mallon for a few years now! What age is he now - 28/29?  If he was going to show something it would have been by now.

Would second that - hasn't done much in the past number of years.

lets be honest...are any neutrals at all interested  in this ? ..... Such a boring fixture.

Thank god for Cork v Kerry.

Quotelets be honest...are any neutrals at all interested  in this ? ..... Such a boring fixture.

What a boring post.

I suppose not many neutrals would be reading this thread at all, but they even post in it.

Of course it'll be dead boring.  It's taking place at the Morg!

What station is televising the game ?

Live on BBC2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jz3pb

Live on Network 2 as well to spare any viewer from listening to Sidebottom

As a neutral, if a Down man can be that where Arma are concerned, I am looking forward to this clash and hoping, nay expecting it to be game to lift what has been a underpowered and dull Ulster Championship so far.

Com'on both teams give us a cracker.

Come on Armagh, don't let me down please...

















lose by at least 6 points this time!  ;)

My children have juvenile tickets for Nialls Cre.  It gives a row number and a seat number, but also says that it is standing!
I presume that this is the soccer type stand on the far side of the field, and it is terraced.  Can anyone confirm.  Thanks.

Yes I know I should know this, but I've never been to the Athletic Grounds. 

I'll be coming to Armagh from Belfast/Portadown - could some kind soul give me parking suggestions please.   

Quote from: Rois on June 09, 2012, 03:33:18 PM
Yes I know I should know this, but I've never been to the Athletic Grounds. 

I'll be coming to Armagh from Belfast/Portadown - could some kind soul give me parking suggestions please.   

Try (is it) Victoria St...? it's pure steelrod territory I think but I have parked there before and walked in. There or else in and around the mall.

Thanks

Athletic Grounds prob suits more of East Tyrone than Healy Park Omagh.

Paddy Heaney sometimes tries too hard to prove that he has a relevant and incisive view of Ulster GAA - he's no Keith Duggan or ever will be, regardless of who his uncle is.

he is fairly arrogant as a writer, which seems to be in keeping with the rest of the editorial staff at the paper - the way he tries to break insider info on both Armagh and Tyrone, as if he is so close to the pulse? Really?

Only saying...

Parking at the city hotel and a 5 min walk has never failed me Rois. U cant get lost either cuz u can see the lights of MAG from the car park.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 09, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Paddy Heaney sometimes tries too hard to prove that he has a relevant and incisive view of Ulster GAA - he's no Keith Duggan or ever will be, regardless of who his uncle is.

he is fairly arrogant as a writer, which seems to be in keeping with the rest of the editorial staff at the paper - the way he tries to break insider info on both Armagh and Tyrone, as if he is so close to the pulse? Really?

Only saying...

Heany is a bollix.

Given the fact that Heaney's predictive article during the week will be proved tomorrow to be complete balls, is he likely to print an apology or at least own up to having been sold a pup?

I see there are tickets available in Armagh tomorrow for this game...oh how the mighty have fallen!! What happened the Croker sellouts :-[

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Quote from: 5 Sams on June 09, 2012, 08:34:45 PM
I see there are tickets available in Armagh tomorrow for this game...oh how the mighty have fallen!! What happened the Croker sellouts :-[

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What a silly statement to make.

When Down got to the All Ireland final a couple of years ago how many was at that game? And why were they not all in Enniskillen last week?

Every team gets  more 'fans' the closer they get to success.

What croker sell outs? Don't remember any between Tyrone and Armagh. Where did the Down fans from the All Ireland final go last week? 13,000 at it in total and most from Fermanagh.

Says the all Ireland finallists of 2 years ago that took 5k with them to fermanagh last week

 ;D :D ;)  Wee bit sensitive lads are we?

Armagh's key men tomorrow will be toner, mckeever, dyas & rafferty. Great prices for RTE man of the match:

# Toner 33/1
McKeever 20/1
Dyas 25/1
Rafferty 16/1

There is no chance toner will get it no matter how he plays because of his role. There isn't one of those stooges in Rte that would appreciate the job that a toner, scanlon, king, O'Connor does for team

Quote from: DuffleKing on June 09, 2012, 09:07:07 PM
There is no chance toner will get it no matter how he plays because of his role. There isn't one of those stooges in Rte that would appreciate the job that a toner, scanlon, king, O'Connor does for team

That's cause them boys don't stand out!!!! Simple as. Heaney is correct that if Jamie Clarke doesn't fire Armagh are curtains. I actually think 2/1 is very very genorous to them.

Quote from: theticklemister on June 09, 2012, 09:13:52 PM

Quote from: DuffleKing on June 09, 2012, 09:07:07 PM
There is no chance toner will get it no matter how he plays because of his role. There isn't one of those stooges in Rte that would appreciate the job that a toner, scanlon, king, O'Connor does for team

That's cause them boys don't stand out!!!! Simple as. Heaney is correct that if Jamie Clarke doesn't fire Armagh are curtains. I actually think 2/1 is very very genorous to them.

Well that's a Feckin revelation of huge proportions.

Heaney has almost everything to a word in that article wrong.

Them boys don't stand out for those who don't actually understand the game and trade on the superficial.

Ill explain something to ye.....MOTM are presented to those who tend to influence the game the most, them players who ye mentioned are a 'dime a dozen', ye maybe have 3/4 players per team per match doing the same joy. How the hell can they be recognised as MOTM???

Scanlon......... Only on  tomorrow due to injury to Shehan
King........ Absoultly woeful last year after an ok 2010; did ok against the mighty Fermanagh
Toner......... When I think about it; I can mind him standing out once for me when watching Armagh

I rest my case.

Balloon

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on June 09, 2012, 12:48:51 AM
lets be honest...are any neutrals at all interested  in this ? ..... Such a boring fixture.

Thank god for Cork v Kerry.


Dead on Mick, right enough, Cork v the sheep shaggers is always a top class affair :o

So according to Heaney if Jamie Clarke does well, Armagh will do well. That notion also assumes that the Armagh midfield will have to play well to get the ball to Clarke. In turn meaning that the Armagh defence will have to hold Tyrone to less scores if Clarkes scores are to have any bearing on the game.

Easy huh?

I'm dying with a bad dose of manflu so I was contemplating NOT going up from Dublin However I've 2 Dubs wanting to come with me to see what all the fuzz is about. I usually hate superstitious bullshit but there is definitely history where I've missed 1st round matches and we've lost. Therefore folks, I wum you not but I fear an Armagh home win with Block getting a red card to the Orangemens delight. Speaking of which I saw 20 Orangemen on a stag do yesterday from Holland. 

Lads will be in Spain tomorrow does anyone know if there will be any streams available for the game?

Would I be right to say tickets are available outside the ground?

"Limited" number of terrace tickets apparently.

If I've any chance should I go Dutch?

the quality of both teams now is some difference compared to the heights of the noughties.

stevie mcdonnell was armaghs best forward by a country mile last year up in omagh. jamie clarke was marked out of it by conor gormley that night so with mcdonnell retired, there's a lot of pressure on clarke to deliver.

a week ago i would have been very worried about this one especially as the athletic grounds is worth 3-4 points to armagh and the fact armagh are due one against us, but the armagh team named is very poor and i would agree with o'neill about ciaran mckeever - i think he's very over rated and a bit of a liability.

tyrone should win, but at the end of the day - neither team are anywhere near all-ireland contenders.

Have to look after a wee man tomorrow (2 1/2 yo). Would I be able to bring him on my stand ticket and sit him on my knee?

Looking like a nice day for it, hopefully we haven't had the last shock of the weekend.

Extra time to be played in the event of a draw,or  so it says on the tickets.Minor match, Senior match and then Ireland v Croatia. I live for days like this ;D

Just saw this on the BBC championship page.

The queens coronation 1953 Armagh reached the all Ireland final
1977 her silver jubilee Armagh reached the all Ireland final...
2002 her golden jubilee Armagh reach and win their first ever final...
Will there continue to be a link in 2012?

Someone clutching straws here?? Nice link, history does have a habit of repeating itself so ya never know!!

Quote from: Agent Orange on June 10, 2012, 09:37:37 AM
Just saw this on the BBC championship page.

The queens coronation 1953 Armagh reached the all Ireland final
1977 her silver jubilee Armagh reached the all Ireland final...
2002 her golden jubilee Armagh reach and win their first ever final...
Will there continue to be a link in 2012?

The Garvaghy Road Orange men would love this clear link between the fortunes of the royalty and Armagh.

Maybe we should ask her to come back to Croker for the final and maybe throw the ball in.

Good luck to the red hand minors and seniors today. Hopefully we can come away with two wins. Due to the woman popping out our second baby last month I am unable to attend so if any kind soul could fire up the odd update from the minor match I'd be much obliged.

Lot of South Armagh men cringing with that stat this morn LOL

You could do worse than Brendy Donaghy for MOTM at 33/1.

Been best player for Armagh this year and if he does a stight job on Stephen O'Neill that'll bound to be noticed. Also he breaks forward well and i think he is one on the shortlist to be noticed by the pundits.

Ronan McNabb not fit to start. Aidan Cassidy replaces him at MF with Joseph McMahon operating in the half forward line, playing McNabb's role. #leaked

Quote from: Hashtag on June 10, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
Ronan McNabb not fit to start. Aidan Cassidy replaces him at MF with Joseph McMahon operating in the half forward line, playing McNabb's role. #leaked

So Heaney's 'insider' info may hold some water after all? Will his Kingham expose also come to fruition?

Joe moving to HF and Cassidy coming into MF will give us an added arriel presence. Hopefully win more direct ball instead of scrapping for the breaks.

CAM AN TE FCUK ARMAGH ! Give her the diddy

Paddy heaney leaking info again lol

wat time minor game on, 2 or half 2?

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 10, 2012, 10:09:33 AM
Good luck to the red hand minors and seniors today. Hopefully we can come away with two wins. Due to the woman popping out our second baby last month I am unable to attend so if any kind soul could fire up the odd update from the minor match I'd be much obliged.

Armagh lead 0-13 to 2-5 at half time.

The good news for ye Armagh lads is that I didn't go to the game so ye have a good chance now.  ;D

Sitting here watching The Sunday Game LIVE for a change.
Kerry and Cork don't look anything special but sure its only the 1st round I suppose
Brolly is loving slating Kerry here, saying time and time again how they just copy other teams now and won't move the ball faster into the FF line.

How many times have ye walked out of a first round game and heard the line
"None of those 2 teams will win it outright anyway"

With McKeever's well known love for the Queen, surely her diamond jubilee will reward one of her loyal servants.  :o

May the best team win today and nobody be sent off or get injured.

Can't access Premium Sports.  Anyone know what radio station is carrying the match?  TX

Would Q101 have it?

Some minor game by all accounts

Tyrone win the minor. Armagh 0-19 4-11 Tyrone.

Senior teams line out as selected.

Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
Can't access Premium Sports.  Anyone know what radio station is carrying the match?  TX

Wonder what the feck is going on with it. Theres always something.

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 10, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
Would Q101 have it?

Some minor game by all accounts

Seems to have the top 40 or some shite on right now.

turned on to bbc 2 for 2mins, just cant listen to him, back over to rte 2!! ("its simmering, it just about to fizz", jesus give me strength)

anyone find a radio link?

Q101.2 west

Don't have the actual link

thought we got tony doing co commentary on Rte 2, its like been stuck between a rock and a hard place

Normally wouldn't want to see either team win (which is a compliment to their success).

Game just started - Hope Armagh win today. I was very impressed with the dedicationa nd desire that they showed in the league match with us in the Athletic Grounds.

Quote from: Puckoon on June 10, 2012, 04:02:21 PM
Q101.2 west

Don't have the actual link

Thanks

Well worked goal for Armagh.

And a good response from Tyrone. Colm Cavanagh playing well, never really rated him that highly, but he's impressing so far.

Blowitup, can you please keep posting scores

Looks like a great midfield battle in prospect between Cavanagh and Toner.

been more quality scores and good play in this game already than the UFC so far !

16mins Armagh 1-2 Tyrone 0-6 a good free flowing game so far.

Thanks Blowitupref

22mins Armagh 1-3 Tyrone 0-8

Anyone got a radio connection?

Oriestach there is a decent radio stream on q101.2 west. You have to listen to paddy hunter right enough.
Seems like a quality game so far.

Clarke a joy to watch - how he used his hip to win that ball.

25mins Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-8

Thanks Puck

HT Armagh 1-5 Tyrone 0-11

Very good game so far. 0-11 to 1-5 at HT

19 points mostly from play in the first half, would love to be watching this

Game of the championship so far. O'neill taking the hand out of mc Keever was a joy to watch.

Brilliant game of football, great to see. Wee Marty suggesting both teams play sweepers in the 2nd half..dry up Marty!

Kernan gone they say on rte
Justy gone off. Joe gone FB.
I wish they'd feed Penrose more as he's on fire

Looks like it's getting a bit niggly to Spillane's liking.

Next score is crucial. If Armagh get a point there's only one in it

Dyas sent off (two yellow) 57mins Armagh 1-9 Tyrone 0-15

Good old Tyrone reverting to type. Thrown themselves to ground 5/6 times so far in the 2nd half

Stupid challange for the sending off, should be it

Dyas sent off, good man yerself, what the feck was he thinking?

Only a point in her now, c'mon Armagh!!!!!!

Watching the game via an iphone being pointed at a tv in Armagh using skype, fecking technology is brilliant. ;D

Armagh hanging in there...

63mins Armagh 1-11 Tyrone 0-15

Now we've got a right good last few mins ahead!

Its a cracking game, I would have put any money on Tyrone going on to win easily after the sending off

68mins Armagh 1-12 Tyrone 0-16

Feck, a point down, c'mon Armagh!

Great theatre this!

Goal required at this stage.

game over, Tyrone just upped it at the end..................and they have "go to players" what ever that is Tony

FT Armagh 1-13 Tyrone 0-19 good game well done to both sides.

Quality match. Impressive final flourish by Tyrone after looking to be going away from them.

Quote from: gerrykeegan on June 10, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
game over, Tyrone just upped it at the end..................and they have "go to players" what ever that is Tony

Players you go to when you need scores - self explanatory I would have thought!

Brolly is a tool

Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2012, 05:39:21 PM
Brolly is a tool

What did he say?

Armagh gave their best shot but wasn't good enough well done Tyrone i can't see anyone stopping them in Ulster now.

Armagh played very well today, that was an excellent game of football and hopefully will shut up Spillane.

What did Brolly say to pish off Tyrone supporters this time?

Entertaining match and pretty free flowing apart from a wee spell in the second half. I thought Tyrone were lucky enough to win it in the end, Armagh deserved to pull level and at that point Tyrone gave up possession 3 or 4 times whilst on the attack and were inviting Armagh onto them. Armagh looked more likely to win at that point. Credit where it's due though, Tyrone got the crucial scores when it mattered at the end with Petey Harte showing great composure when on the ball, unlike some of his teammates in the previous few minutes. Plenty to work on for Tyrone but a good victory.

Basically that Tyrone are boring blah blah, he has served his wind up purpose >:(

Big Joe was impressive in the full back line - Murphy at mid field was not.

A good game which will serve both counties well

       Tyrone lucky to get away with that one, altough Armagh lacked a scoring threat outside of Clarke.  I'd say Tyrone psychologically stepped down a gear when Dyas was sent off-took it for granted.  Have to say that whatever Brolly says, I feel that Tyrone showed a maturity in getting on with it after shipping a lot of persistent niggly fouls- a virtue missing in other years where they might have lost the head a bit. 
      Tyrone not as far ahead of Armagh as the commentators would have you believe only Armagh need more firepower.  Priceless to see O'Neill make a Laurel and Hardy of McKeever and Mackin in the first half!  Some of the newer Tyrone players lack a small bit of experience at crunch-time in matches, I'm sure Mickey will work on that.
     All in all, a good pacy game, much different to the Munster one
   

Didn't get to see it thanks to Premium Sports (&%@@#$ them), but from what I heard Tyrone seemed to maximize their points-scoring chances and deserved the win.  McParland sounded impressive.  Did anyone think that sticking King Kong in the square did any good?  Well, soft teams in the qualifiers--Kerry, Galway. . . . double drat!

Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
Didn't get to see it thanks to Premium Sports (&%@@#$ them), but from what I heard Tyrone seemed to maximize their points-scoring chances and deserved the win.  McParland sounded impressive.  Did anyone think that sticking King Kong in the square did any good?  Well, soft teams in the qualifiers--Kerry, Galway. . . . double drat!

The only thing of worth the big man on the edge of the square did today was con tyre ref into a free in and a yellow card for joe mc. After that he had the ball broken away from him easily enough.

Quote from: Hashtag on June 10, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
Ronan McNabb not fit to start. Aidan Cassidy replaces him at MF with Joseph McMahon operating in the half forward line, playing McNabb's role. #leaked

Bad leak.

Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
Didn't get to see it thanks to Premium Sports (&%@@#$ them), but from what I heard Tyrone seemed to maximize their points-scoring chances and deserved the win.  McParland sounded impressive.  Did anyone think that sticking King Kong in the square did any good?  Well, soft teams in the qualifiers--Kerry, Galway. . . . double drat!

Kingham had 3 big balls launched into him. The first one he knocked down to a Tyrone player and don't he touched the ball again after that :/ Toner, Clarke and Duffy were the best Armagh players imo. Was very disappointed with Mackin.

Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 06:42:54 PM

Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
Didn't get to see it thanks to Premium Sports (&%@@#$ them), but from what I heard Tyrone seemed to maximize their points-scoring chances and deserved the win.  McParland sounded impressive.  Did anyone think that sticking King Kong in the square did any good?  Well, soft teams in the qualifiers--Kerry, Galway. . . . double drat!

The only thing of worth the big man on the edge of the square did today was con tyre ref into a free in and a yellow card for joe mc. After that he had the ball broken away from him easily enough.

I know he is from Monaghan but he must have Tyrone blood if he could con the ref like that!

Before the match I could not see how Armagh could get enough scores to win. In the end was gutted they did not. Progress I suppose.

In the minor match I think the inexplicable decision not to sent the Tyrone player of for a terrible  tackle and subsequent slap was the turning point. The Armagh player having to move out of midfield gave Tyrone a lifeline there won the game for them. Two good teams. Pity no back door in minor at this stage.

Quote from: Throw ball on June 10, 2012, 07:10:06 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 06:42:54 PM

Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
Didn't get to see it thanks to Premium Sports (&%@@#$ them), but from what I heard Tyrone seemed to maximize their points-scoring chances and deserved the win.  McParland sounded impressive.  Did anyone think that sticking King Kong in the square did any good?  Well, soft teams in the qualifiers--Kerry, Galway. . . . double drat!

The only thing of worth the big man on the edge of the square did today was con tyre ref into a free in and a yellow card for joe mc. After that he had the ball broken away from him easily enough.

I know he is from Monaghan but he must have Tyrone blood if he could con the ref like that!

Before the match I could not see how Armagh could get enough scores to win. In the end was gutted they did not. Progress I suppose.

In the minor match I think the inexplicable decision not to sent the Tyrone player of for a terrible  tackle and subsequent slap was the turning point. The Armagh player having to move out of midfield gave Tyrone a lifeline there won the game for them. Two good teams. Pity no back door in minor at this stage.

Yeah it's a pity Munster,leinster have back door maybe Ulster need to change it.

Paddy Heaney...at least 30 men out there today knew better than you.

great game - thought that Armagh were going to steal it in the end, but Tyrone did enough, and in some cases so did the referee, but i wouldn't let the MIB be the focus of a great game.

jamie Clarke is lethal - glad armagh don't have more firepower up front, but he is some player.
Cavanagh played the best game i have seen him play - solid and fearless, and for a change kept his mouth shut
Watched Gomley in the first half and thought he was of the pace, then with 5 minutes to go, he was hard at it, charging up the right wing...great to watch.

Armagh should do well thru the qualifiers if they play like that - and don't lose Aran Kernan...

Armagh men all around bitching about Grimley for some reason

Note to Heaney - Seems like Tyrone have a different tactic rather then playing through Peter Harte in 'straight lines'...4 days worth of his shite in the Irish News...cant wait to see what he has to write tmro

both teams football were very well matched, but Tyrone's experience and know how won it for them in the end. Intelligent use of substitutions and injuries broke up the tempo when Armagh got on a good run. Armagh need a better game plan that what they have, there is enough talent in that team to actually compete. It is no disrespect to the players of Armagh to say that Crossmaglen seniors would have beaten that Tyrone team. Armagh unfortunately lacked cohesion, and that wee bit of know how to thwart Tyrone. A few years ago I would have ranted and raved about Tyrone buying frees and diving, but the futility of that argument is that every referee and back in the country is aware of it. The fact that Armagh's county players bought Tyrone frees by the bucket, and lacked discipline so much that Tyrone had the ball moved up a number of times, just shows that Armagh's preparation for this game left a lot to be desired.
Fair play to Tyrone, old heads did well, and it was great to see a very good game of football played in the Athletic grounds. Colm Cavanagh played very well and he and Harte did well to put the doubters in their place. O'Neill is a class forward, and was a pleasure to watch. Tyrone could do a bit of damage this year, and that was an exhibition of good skillful football.

As for the Kerry vs Cork game, not exactly great, Kerry will be in bother this year, and we may have seen the end of O'Connor. Don't quite buy Colm O Rourke's "terminal decline" line, but they will have to re-architect how they play. Donaghy was no "star" today, and the RTE insistence on deference to the Kerry team is absolutely painful, the great saves and great defending we kept hearing about was quite simply poor decision making from Kerry.

Just watched Mickey Harte talk to Tomas Kane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18338503

After what has been going on in Mauritius, the fact that he can keep it together with such dignity?

You are some man Mickey Harte

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
Paddy Heaney...at least 30 men out there today knew better than you.

great game - thought that Armagh were going to steal it in the end, but Tyrone did enough, and in some cases so did the referee, but i wouldn't let the MIB be the focus of a great game.

jamie Clarke is lethal - glad armagh don't have more firepower up front, but he is some player.
Cavanagh played the best game i have seen him play - solid and fearless, and for a change kept his mouth shut
Watched Gomley in the first half and thought he was of the pace, then with 5 minutes to go, he was hard at it, charging up the right wing...great to watch.

Armagh should do well thru the qualifiers if they play like that - and don't lose Aran Kernan...

Armagh men all around bitching about Grimley for some reason

Note to Heaney - Seems like Tyrone have a different tactic rather then playing through Peter Harte in 'straight lines'...4 days worth of his shite in the Irish News...cant wait to see what he has to write tmro

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More of it ?  :D

Quote from: heganboy on June 10, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
both teams football were very well matched, but Tyrone's experience and know how won it for them in the end. Intelligent use of substitutions and injuries broke up the tempo when Armagh got on a good run. Armagh need a better game plan that what they have, there is enough talent in that team to actually compete. It is no disrespect to the players of Armagh to say that Crossmaglen seniors would have beaten that Tyrone team. Armagh unfortunately lacked cohesion, and that wee bit of know how to thwart Tyrone. A few years ago I would have ranted and raved about Tyrone buying frees and diving, but the futility of that argument is that every referee and back in the country is aware of it. The fact that Armagh's county players bought Tyrone frees by the bucket, and lacked discipline so much that Tyrone had the ball moved up a number of times, just shows that Armagh's preparation for this game left a lot to be desired.
Fair play to Tyrone, old heads did well, and it was great to see a very good game of football played in the Athletic grounds. Colm Cavanagh played very well and he and Harte did well to put the doubters in their place. O'Neill is a class forward, and was a pleasure to watch. Tyrone could do a bit of damage this year, and that was an exhibition of good skillful football.

As for the Kerry vs Cork game, not exactly great, Kerry will be in bother this year, and we may have seen the end of O'Connor. Don't quite buy Colm O Rourke's "terminal decline" line, but they will have to re-architect how they play. Donaghy was no "star" today, and the RTE insistence on deference to the Kerry team is absolutely painful, the great saves and great defending we kept hearing about was quite simply poor decision making from Kerry.

Do you seriously believe that ?.

Why don't Armagh field the Cross team then ?

Quote from: heganboy on June 10, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
It is no disrespect to the players of Armagh to say that Crossmaglen seniors would have beaten that Tyrone team.

Ah now come on. Let's not get carried away!

Quote from: AFS on June 10, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
Very frustrating day. Could have won both games but won nothing. Poor decision making from our own management teams and from both sets of match officials was our undoing.

We were probably beaten by a marginally better side in the senior game, but we weren't done any favours. It was strange that the same man that was so quick to reward each of Tyrone's swallow dives couldn't spot a push in midfield to save himself. It was also curious that two personal fouls were deemed sufficient to line Kevin Dyas, but Dermot Carlin's half dozen attempted rapes on Jamie Clarke didn't draw a single card. All you ask for is a bit of consistency. I hope Peter Harte's little finger is alright after his wee lie down and cry to get Dyas his second yellow.

The management team lost the head in their eagerness to get Kingham on the field. There was no call to go route one with so much time on the clock and with Clarke still causing ructions in the Tyrone defence. To change the focus of the attack away from our biggest strength made no sense.

Enough decent play to suggest that a run in the qualifiers is possible. Best for me on the day for Armagh were Clarke, Brian Mallon, Toner, Dyas before the two yellows, and the two Duffys. McParland also made a good impact when introduced. Some poor performances in defence.

Unlike in the senior game, Armagh were clearly the better side in the minor match, but defensive naivety from players and management let us down. The ref played a huge role in the result too, bottling an obvious call to send a Tyrone man off after an atrocious slide tackle on Armagh's best player, effectively taking him out of the game, which was followed five seconds later by a slap to the head of another Armagh player. It's a real shame that there's no back door for these lads.

Armagh could certainly have won both matches alright.

Tyrone defence enjoyed seeing Kingham coming on.

Once Armagh drew level, it looked like Armagh would go on and win given the momentum that they had built up at that stage.

I thought that after the ref sent off Dyas he brought Armagh back into the game with easy enough frees.

I do sympathise with you about Dyas's sending off - yellow cards weren't easy to pick up all day from Mc Quiilan. Armagh had serial foulers on their teams who didn't pick up a yellow all day. Dyas made it easy for the ref committing the same silly foul inside 2 minutes.

Armagh if they play like this should take a lot of beating in the qualifiers. Not many teams will want to meet them.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on June 09, 2012, 12:48:51 AM
lets be honest...are any neutrals at all interested  in this ? ..... Such a boring fixture.

Thank god for Cork v Kerry.

You mike are a bitter twisted individual who knows f**k all about football

Quote from: tyroneboi on June 10, 2012, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: gerrykeegan on June 10, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
game over, Tyrone just upped it at the end..................and they have "go to players" what ever that is Tony

Players you go to when you need scores - self explanatory I would have thought!

Never heard it in all my years listening or watching GAA, I have heard it when watching sports from the USA

Best game of the championship by far, Armagh looked like they could sneak it in the end but Tyrone just had that wee bit of guile to see them over the line. Thought Tyrone got more than their share of the decisions from the ref, but don't want to take anything away from their win.

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
Just watched Mickey Harte talk to Tomas Kane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18338503

After what has been going on in Mauritius, the fact that he can keep it together with such dignity?

You are some man Mickey Harte

+ 1 The man has some strength

McQuillan very quick to hand any forward a free and any 50:50 call (plenty) went the way of the attacking team. As said, plenty of frees for Armagh after the sending off.

Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
Just watched Mickey Harte talk to Tomas Kane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18338503

After what has been going on in Mauritius, the fact that he can keep it together with such dignity?

You are some man Mickey Harte

+ 1 The man has some strength

I find it very odd that he isn't in Mauritius. I know if I was in that situation I would be there.

Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 07:36:27 PM

Quote from: heganboy on June 10, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
It is no disrespect to the players of Armagh to say that Crossmaglen seniors would have beaten that Tyrone team.

Ah now come on. Let's not get carried away!

Only an absolute idiot would believe that. For example, johnny Hanratty came on in the second half clearly not conditioned for football at this level. He is a great kicker of the ball but was caught out 5/6 times in possession and particularly not able to stay with runners. It cost armagh badly as did the introduction of kingham.

McParland was very creative and dangerous when he came in. That was the approach we needed to take but instead we replaced forker, ak etc with vernon, kingham and Hanratty when chasing the game.

Getting Dyas sent off actually was no advantage at all to Tyrone as often happens in these situations.

Armagh played their best football after Dyas got the road. Not only does the team that's reduced to 14 work harder but the ref seems to favour the team who in his mind he has just penalised with the sending off.

The Cork v Tyrone semi final in 2009 springs to mind when Alan O'Connor was sent off by John Bannon I think. Bannon proceeded to give Cork the decisions thereafter.

Why so few Cross men on the team if Cross could beat Tyrone themselves ?. How many Cross men are on the panel ?.

Quote from: orangeman on June 10, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Getting Dyas sent off actually was no advantage at all to Tyrone as often happens in these situations.

Armagh played their best football after Dyas got the road. Not only does the team that's reduced to 14 work harder but the ref seems to favour the team who in his mind he has just penalised with the sending off.

mentally, when tyrone seen dyas walking off that field today they had to be thinking that wasn't a bad thing, dyas was bloody brilliant today, i think even maybe the best i've seen him play for county. he was central in a lot of stuff today and at that stage of the game when there was still only a kick of a ball in it, the sending off provded decisive.

as for one particular substitution after that which had absolutely no effect on affairs it practically meant all gameplan was changed and was almost like playing with 13 !


as for general improvement and performance though today i'd have to be delighted considering some of the new younger boys who came in and stepped up to the plate.

toner for me was MOTM just ahead of clarke and dyas. toner played like a man possessed

For what it is worth - my Armagh ratings for the Match

McEvoy..... 7 - solid. Decent kick outs. No mistakes. From what i can remember no real crunching saves to make. Did well

Andy..... 6.5 - Did ok but Penrose was maybe their moist dangerous forward. Forrayed forward a few times and two bad wides. Had his hands full for the game.

B. Donaghy - 6.5 - He marked I think 3 different players during the game. At two stages was fantastic at getting the ball out when harried by 3 Tyrone men.  Never noticed him as prominent as usual but maybe that is a good thing for a back not to be noticed

Decky.... - 6 -  Taken off early. Didn't notice that his man was running rampant but management made the decision to take him off after 20 mins.

Aaron. - 6.5-  Was doing ok but came off early with injury. We missed 2 left handed frees in second half he would have kicked over. Missed when gone.

C. McK - 7- Never noticed him much. he kept Mulligan quiet when moved onto him. Felt he was a bit wasted today.

Finn Mo - 7.5-  Yeah a good score but Harte was anonymous until Finn went off and only after that exerted his influence. Was he yellow carded (can't rememebr) and taken off before he was sent off. Felt he did really well keeping their danger man quiet. was surprised.

Mal. - 5.5 - Not his best day in the office. Lost possession a few times and didn't stamp his mark on the game. Didn't really feature in midfield

Toner - 7.5 - 8  - Was brilliant. best day in a long time in the Armagh shirt. he won midfield out of all the midfielders despite cavanagh having a good game there. Put in some ground work ... Excellent display.

Forker - 7 - Brilliant first half and took goal well. Seemed to go missing in second half

Dyas - 5 - Don't get this at all. Went in for 0 50/50 tackles. Sent off stupidly. Give away 2 really bad passes. Yes he made 2 interceptions but not county standard IMHO

Anto..- 7- grew into the game. Made some great tackles and passes in the second half. Fantastic work rate and deserves his game for the next day

Rafferty - 7 - Good strong hands and won some great balls. Delivered well but don't think he took many scores which we need our forwards to do. Strong lad and showed great potential.

Mallon - 7.5 -  A good game. His best championship game for a long time. Won a lot of balls and delivered well. Took a few scores. demanded balls played into him and looked like a leader in the forward line

Jamie - 8 - Won every ball that came in and took some great scores from impossible angles. He was unmarkable and a breath of fresh air to watch. Would be higher only he missed a few shots from impossible angles to when the ball could have been worked into a better scoring position. But when he scores them from there too - who am i to argue?


Subs------

P.Duff - 7.5 - Really good game. Roved all over the field. Made 3 telling interceptions. 2 of them dispossesing as Tyrone man when running with the ball. Good game

McParland. - 7- showed well and looks strong on the ball. Kicked 2 bad wides but scored too. Great potential

Kingham - 5- For a big man didn't win one ball that went in. yes was double marked but did he even touch the ball? Not at this level for me.

Charles - 7- Showed brilliantly when came on and won over two telling interceptions. Strong and should have been on from the start unless he was unfit to play the 70. Major influence when on. His should, dispossession and launch of attack with 10 minutes to go was warrior like. Score much higher but he was only on for 15 mins

Hanratty - 7 -  Some previous poster said in review that he is not to this standard. What planes does this person live on. In 15 minutes he got hold of the ball more than Dyas and had a considerably big say in the proceedings. he gets about and does much needful donkey work. Surley a place for him on the team

 dyas was bloody brilliant today, i think even maybe the best i've seen him play for county. he was central in a lot of stuff today [/quote]

If you really watched the game. there are so many tackles that he could go in for like McKeever and put in a tackle but does not. He is not physical enough for this standard IMVHO. Doesn't bring enough to the table.

I could go on but thats not what i'm here for

Yeah, he cost about three scores because he couldn't stay with a runner...

Nor a big say- a massive say.

Your ratings for McKenna, Charlie and the two Duffys beggar belief. Is there a common thread??

sorry duffleking but thats how i saw it. Opinions are purely subjective and that's why we have a forum.

Of course. You are very welcome to your opinion and to express it on this forum. I can have the opinion that its nonsense but it doesn't mean we can't be friends...

Quote from: eriugaMS on June 10, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
dyas was bloody brilliant today, i think even maybe the best i've seen him play for county. he was central in a lot of stuff today

If you really watched the game. there are so many tackles that he could go in for like McKeever and put in a tackle but does not. He is not physical enough for this standard IMVHO. Doesn't bring enough to the table.

I could go on but thats not what i'm here for
[/quote]

i watched the game, i'm almost sure !
dyas was played as a forward today, not a defender. now in that centre half forward role which is a fairly pivotal one he both got on a good bit of break ball in the middle (which we havn't had in a long while from what i can mind) and he also made some good runs both for himself but aslo creating that space in front of clarke and mallon.

this is only from what i can mind though....but as you say there is a chance i was watching something else

Clarke is some player - we were discussing on the way home how he rarely passes though, doesn't look for better options, but as eriugaMS says, he can score from unbelievable angles so why should he give it away.

Watched Peter Harte to see why he was so quiet, and counted four instances when Moriarty was holding his jersey at the neck. But hey, the ref didn't see it so can't complain.

Armagh should have had a penalty in the first half.

McKeever is an unlikeable fella on the pitch (and was helped out in his attempts to file Mulligan by some equally unlikeable supporters who shouted abuse) but he was effective.

I enjoyed the game though - exciting and not much between them.

did anyone hear what BRolly was saying about the game?

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
did anyone hear what BRolly was saying about the game?

"Tyrone masters of the dark arts"  ::)

I usually enjoy his words after games but he could give no credit to Tyrone and put their win down to buying frees. Let himself down today.

He is trying too hard to be contraversial.

Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 10:06:24 PM

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
did anyone hear what BRolly was saying about the game?

"Tyrone masters of the dark arts"  ::)

I usually enjoy his words after games but he could give no credit to Tyrone and put their win down to buying frees. Let himself down today.

He is trying too hard to be contraversial.

He's a natural in that regard. Doesn't have to try too hard.

Quote from: orangeman on June 10, 2012, 10:14:12 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on June 10, 2012, 10:06:24 PM

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
did anyone hear what BRolly was saying about the game?

"Tyrone masters of the dark arts"  ::)

I usually enjoy his words after games but he could give no credit to Tyrone and put their win down to buying frees. Let himself down today.

He is trying too hard to be contraversial.

He's a natural in that regard. Doesn't have to try too hard.

To be honest, i am finding him hard to listen to these days - would have given him a listen to a few years ago, and enjoyed his chat. He is no doubt articulate and intelligent. BUt i think he is running out of steam...repeating the same shite all the time, and being controversial for the sake of it. Spillane makes him look good.

As an aside, I think his salivary gland is fucked

When is the draw for the qualifiers?

Decision to bring on Kingham and launch balls into him was the wrong one. Tyrone's defence was in trouble every time we wemt forward up to that point.

Encouraging display all round, pity Aaron Kernan hadn't stayed on as he may have added a bit of composure in the last 5 minutes. Tyrone were just that bit cuter at winning frees and turning over ball when they needed to.

Having saw how much damage we did, I think Tyrone have a lot of work to do if they want to deal with Cork or Dublin come August.

As a neutral I thought experience won out. Armagh supporters should be very confident about the future, with some great talent coming through. Inexperience did cost them this match.

Tyrone remain the team to beat in Ulster.

The turning point in the game was not the sending off of Dyas but Armagh bringing Kingham on....we were on top at the time and instead of continuing to use Gavin McParland and Jamie Clarke we started launching high ball on top of Kingham.  I counted four balls kicked into him, we got one score off it and wasted three golden chances.  Tyrone could see what was coming and for at least one of the balls in they had Colm Cavanagh, Joe McMahon and Pascal McConnell on top of him.
Dyas had a great game for Armagh and hopefully he will kick on from here but himself and Caolan Rafferty will do anything but take on a shot themselves.
I thought Ciaran McKeever was wasted sitting in on O'Neill and then Mulligan, he should have been played further out the field. Anto Duffy and Brian Mallon had good games.
For the qualifiers I hope that the management team place their trust in the younger forwards, let McVerry, McParland, Grugan (if fit) and Jamie Clarke at it.  Please,please, please do not resort to Kingham at the edge of the square.
Jamie was a bit greedy today, which, in fairness, isn't normally like him.  Looked like the management had told him to shoot on sight.  Normally he's excellent in bringing other forwards into play.

i was happy enough with armagh today, there is the makings of a good team there. In the end though, it shows we dont expect that much any more. Despite the good crowd there today, it just seemed like a nice day out, nobody got that bothered really until it was level with 5-10 mins left. If armagh had of taken the lead it would have left a tasty finish though

if were gonna have a target man, maybe mcparland is the man. he's fairly strong and would be more mobile than kingham to take his own scores as well, with clarke, forker, rafferty and mcverry could be good forward line.

fair play to brian mallon today as well, being the only experienced man in the front 6, did a job

Encouraging from Armagh, if they had another scoring forward to help Clarke out things may have been different (pity McDonnell didn't give it another year). I agree with those who are praising Brian Mallon as hopefully now he can push on and start to fulfill his early promise. Also agree that the hit and hope balls in the last ten minutes just played into Tyrones hands and they were able to use the resuting possession to build their own attacks. It was refreshing to see Armagh play a more open game, but 19 scores conceded means they need to tighten things up at the back to have a chance of putting a winning run together in the qualifiers.

2 things stood out for me:

That was some man marking job Moriarty did on Harte. There'll be an orange hand print on Peter's back tonight. Moriarty completely sacrificed any ball time and spent the game facing Harte or touching his jersey. Even when Harte went back to defend, Moriarty followed him in case he got his hands on the ball on his own endline. Remarkable application to his gameplan.

McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke. I thought McCrory did fine - Clarke (I don't think) never got a sniff of goal. He scored a few remarkable points that only he and O'Neill could do.

Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

Disappointing, Tyrone were there for the taking. A bit more belief was needed and a few guys to chip in with more scores.

Our minors blew it, hit by sucker punch goals at bad times. By far the better team for long periods. They paid the price for not stopping Tyrone runs from deep. Not cynical enough.

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
2 things stood out for me:

That was some man marking job Moriarty did on Harte. There'll be an orange hand print on Peter's back tonight. Moriarty completely sacrificed any ball time and spent the game facing Harte or touching his jersey. Even when Harte went back to defend, Moriarty followed him in case he got his hands on the ball on his own endline. Remarkable application to his gameplan.

McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke. I thought McCrory did fine - Clarke (I don't think) never got a sniff of goal. He scored a few remarkable points that only he and O'Neill could do.

Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

Was fascinated by that too, especially as a few years ago they were teacher and pupil. Bit like Mugsy and Peter only in reverse. Thought Peter did well.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2012, 09:02:31 AM
As a neutral, if a Down man can be that where Arma are concerned, I am looking forward to this clash and hoping, nay expecting it to be game to lift what has been a underpowered and dull Ulster Championship so far.

Com'on both teams give us a cracker.

Thanks Arma & Tyrone.  You delivered.

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
2 things stood out for me:

That was some man marking job Moriarty did on Harte. There'll be an orange hand print on Peter's back tonight. Moriarty completely sacrificed any ball time and spent the game facing Harte or touching his jersey. Even when Harte went back to defend, Moriarty followed him in case he got his hands on the ball on his own endline. Remarkable application to his gameplan.

McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke. I thought McCrory did fine - Clarke (I don't think) never got a sniff of goal. He scored a few remarkable points that only he and O'Neill could do.

Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Wally.

Anyone else think Ciaran McKeever is hugely overrated? After Eoin Bradley made him look second rate last year, Stevie O'Neill repeated the dose yesterday.

I think a big factor was the switch of Joe McMahon to full back at half time.  Joe and Cavanagh were flying in the first half but the change allowed Armagh do gain a lot more of the ball aroud the middle in the 2nd half.  In saying that Joe was unreal at full-back, was unlucky to be fouled by Kingham and for the free to be awarded incorrectly to Armagh. 

What was wrong with Justin McMahon?  Seemed to be struggling when turned one stage in the first half and seemed to have no speed at all?  He has been very injury prone the past few years but is there some chronic injury he plays with? 

Thought Dermy Carlin and Sean O'Neill did well, with Colm Cavanagh involved in some great passages of play.  SON seems to have a serious issue with staying on his feet, could have did more damage if he had.  Penrose was unreal, his finishing and tracking back were top notch.  McNabb put in some great defensive work, with that great block standing out.  Brilliant dummy by SON that completely fooled McKeever who ended up running into his own man and being knocked down, funny to see. 

The performance yesterday far exceeded my expectations after the Kildare game.  Its a shame that Coney and O'Neill are out for the summer as we just seem to be missing a forward or two who win the ball, beat their man with pace and score.  SON and Mulligan just don't have that extra gear that they used to when it comes to beating their men.

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
2 things stood out for me:

That was some man marking job Moriarty did on Harte. There'll be an orange hand print on Peter's back tonight. Moriarty completely sacrificed any ball time and spent the game facing Harte or touching his jersey. Even when Harte went back to defend, Moriarty followed him in case he got his hands on the ball on his own endline. Remarkable application to his gameplan.

McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke. I thought McCrory did fine - Clarke (I don't think) never got a sniff of goal. He scored a few remarkable points that only he and O'Neill could do.

Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

fair observations - i'd say that maybe on a different day Moriarty may have been sent off. At times he was a little over zealous, but he kept Peter Harte in check.

Agree that McCrory will not get credit for the job he did on Jamie Clarke - Clarke is pure class. And despite his shape, he takes some serious hits, and never moans or tries to buy the ref...great player.

Colm Cavanagh's best performance in any jersey, i'd say...no fear at all, and managed to shut his mouth for the whole game...thought he was a contender for MOTM

Really enjoyed the game yesterday,both teams gave their all and there were some wonderful scores from Clarke and O'Neill.Both men showed their class.I thought Joe McQuillan was slow to produce the cards,Armagh were fouling a lot.That said,Armagh should have had a penalty when Carlin fouled Clarke.Penrose was outstanding but i thought McNabb was effective.Got 2 crucial blocks in and covered a huge amount of ground.Does the sort of stuff that goes unnoticed.
Tyrone's record in the Athletic Grounds isn't great so i was delighted we got out of it with a win.

Very exciting minor game too with both inside forward lines causing havoc.Armagh will be wondering how they managed to lose,having been the best side for the majority of the game.As someone else said,it's a pity there's no back door for the Armagh lads as i'm sure they would have been playing football well into the summer.

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke.

Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Quote from: Nally Stand on June 11, 2012, 09:57:37 AM

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke.

Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Gormley was part of a 2 man marking job last year as Tyrone were using a sweeper. Mc Crory did not have that luxury yesterday.

From the Irish Times....

MALACHY CLERKIN at The Athletic Grounds

ULSTER SFC QUARTER-FINAL: Tyrone 0-19 Armagh 1-13: THE NAMES change and the faces get fresher by the year but for as long as Tyrone are cheek and Armagh are jowl, these days will still have a pull about them. They jammed 16,148 fidgety bodies into Armagh's little city bowl here yesterday and what played out was a bustling epic all of its own.

Gone (well, going) are the days when you held a finger up to one of these games to work out in which direction the All-Ireland wind might be blowing but no matter – a game this entertaining didn't need a regal context to speak up for it.

Tyrone ultimately breasted the tape but nobody was calling a winner five minutes from the end. A couple of soaring Brian Mallon frees – the second of which split the posts from all of 48 metres on 66 minutes – tied a game that Armagh could have long since given up on.

They might have lain down when Tyrone pushed four points ahead early in the second half with Aaron Kernan gone at half-time due to a hamstring problem; or they could have wilted when Kevin Dyas saw the line for a couple of silly yellow cards with 15 minutes to go.

Their excuses were neatly lined up if they'd felt like reaching out and pulling them off the shelf.

But instead Paddy O'Rourke's young side gave their people plenty to take home with them yesterday. Tyrone scored the closing three points to take the victory but they needed every hand on a shovel to dig them out of it.

In the end, they probably saw more of referee Joe McQuillan's benign side than Armagh did and Martin Penrose had no major trouble kicking two late frees to help them over the line. Although Mickey Harte claimed afterwards that he thought McQuillan leaned more so in the opposite direction, he knew well that Tyrone had the skin of their teeth to show off and no more.

"People got serious value for money out there today," he said. "People talk about blanket defences and this, that and the other and it's as if people have no right to change what they do, or experiment with what they do. Out there today, I mean, 1-13 to 0-19 tells its own tale.

"And it wasn't that it was very open either because there was plenty of good defending done as well. Football has a lot more to offer than some of those narrow-minded pundits might have you believe."

You'd have had to be churlish in the extreme not to have found plenty to enjoy here right from the outset. Though the first two scores were from frees, Joe McMahon's outside-of-the-boot effort for Tyrone was one of the points of the days.

That was in the third minute and we didn't see another free scored until the 20th, by which time Tyrone led 0-6 to 1-2.

A necklace of gleaming points from Penrose, Owen Mulligan, Peter Harte and the excellent Colm Cavanagh was answered by a point from the equally excellent Jamie Clarke and a fine goal from Aidan Forker. The game was fast-moving and precise, with clever kick-passing a feature throughout.

Tyrone pushed three clear by half-time with Stephen O'Neill, corner-back Dermot Carlin and Penrose again doing the needful and the feeling that they were ultimately going to have too much firepower was hard to shift.

Clarke was doing his best to keep Armagh relevant though and at times he was unplayable. He's such a willowy presence, a wind-chime tinkle in a foghorn world. Yet it's the rare defender who can make him appear less than fully-balanced and his ability to fashion accurate attempts on goal from half-chances is uncanny.

He finished the afternoon with five points – three from play – and all while drawing more attention from the Tyrone defence than any other Armagh player.

Cavanagh, Penrose and Joe McMahon were terrific for Tyrone but it was Clarke who had the strongest claim on man of the match.

Despite going four behind shortly after the break, Armagh found a rally from somewhere. Substitute Gavin McParland scored a couple of rousing points on his introduction and although Penrose hit back with two of his own by the 55th minute, the home crowd weren't heading for the gates just yet.

Even when Dyas saw his red card, it was only a prelude for Armagh to kick the next three points in a row to draw level. But those late Penrose frees allied to a couple of classy efforts from O'Neill and Harte saw Tyrone home.

In the end, Mickey Harte's side deserved it. A game whose pulse throbbed all the way to the end called for calm heads and Tyrone just about had more of them. Whatever their late-summer ambitions, here they were just delighted to get out of the Athletic Grounds alive.

'Twas ever thus. 'Twill ever be.

ARMAGH : P McEvoy; A Mallon, B Donaghy, D McKenna; A Kernan (0-1, free), C McKeever, F Moriarty; K Toner, M Mackin; A Forker (1-0), K Dyas (0-1), A Duffy; J Clarke (0-5, two frees), B Mallon (0-4, all frees), C Rafferty. Subs: P Duffy for McKenna, 19 mins; G McParland (0-2) for Kernan (half-time); J Hanratty for Forker (48 mins); C Vernon for Moriarty (54 mins); J Kingham for Mackin (57 mins).

TYRONE : P McConnell; A McCrory, Justin McMahon, D Carlin (0-1); C McCarron, C Gormley, Sean O'Neill; Joe McMahon (0-1, free), C Cavanagh (0-2); R McNabb, M Donnelly (0-1), P Harte (0-2), M Penrose (0-8, five frees), Stephen O'Neill (0-2), O Mulligan (0-2, one free). Subs: M Murphy for Justin McMahon (half-time); N McKenna for Mulligan (66 mins); R McMenamin for McCarron (68 mins); P McNeice for Donnelly (73 mins).

Referee : Joe McQuillan (Cavan).

Att : 16,418

Managers put referee front and centre


Two managers, one referee, no consensus. It would be hard to argue that Joe McQuillan had any great effect on this Ulster quarter-final yet both Mickey Harte and Paddy O'Rourke found themselves talking through gritted teeth about him in its aftermath.

It seemed a little incongruous – for Harte especially, seeing as the free-kick count had gone 24-17 in his side's favour – yet both men decided to raise the issue of the referee unprompted.

"It was a battle to the end," said Harte, "and I suppose Armagh nearly got themselves into a winning position after they had a man sent off. It was a bit ironical, they stepped it up at that stage and it took us a while to come to terms with the fact we had this spare man. Where was he, how do we use him, are we not using him?

"I suppose, I would say again, if you would look at the consistency of the man in the middle. It might have had an impact on the game as well. Maybe I'm looking at it through biased eyes, but I did feel we had a little bit more difficulty in getting a free, sometimes it went the other way."

O'Rourke could have pointed to more than just the free-kick stats – his side saw five yellow cards to Tyrone's one after all. Plus they finished the game with 14 men after Kevin Dyas was sent off.

To neutral eyes, there was little Dyas could have quibbled about in how he collected either yellow card.

Then again, we can hardly expect O'Rourke's eyes to be neutral.

"The players gave everything. They probably lost the game to slightly the better team but probably on reflection losing Dyas cost us the match. I think we could have pushed on in the last 10 minutes and won the game but it's very hard to do that when you're down a man.

"We lost Dyas who was having a good game and he's a good link player. I suppose you always feel that some of the decisions that go against you are a bit harsh. I don't think Kevin Dyas did anything to get a red card. I don't know if the referee ticked him beforehand or not.

"I felt Tyrone got a lot of frees and I wondered at the time if they were all justified. It seemed to me that Jamie Clarke was getting pulled and mauled a bit at the other end and found frees that bit harder to come by." Malachy Clerkin

In reply to some posts, Mc Crory got absolutely cleaned out yesterday. What it highlighted to me is how Tyrone have not got a man marker anymore, they use to have in Gromley and Ricey when they were in their plom, and this is one of the weaknesses in this Tyrone team. A team that brings 12 men behind the ball to protect their full bcak line and Mc Crory stills gets a cleaning out.

As an Armagh Ive no real complaints with the ref. Yeah there were a couple of decisions I felt were wrong, but thats football. Dyas was daft and probably deserved to be sent off which was a shame as he was having a good game. Mallon was very good, his best yet I think. Clarke is unreal, Id have loved him to have been about 8/9 years ago. Some of Toners fielding was sensational. Finnian was good but he doesnt half give away some silly frees. Overall, although we lost, Im quite optimistic about the future of Armagh football

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
Note to Heaney - Seems like Tyrone have a different tactic rather then playing through Peter Harte in 'straight lines'...4 days worth of his shite in the Irish News...cant wait to see what he has to write tmro

If he was of a mind he'd probably write how his Saturday prediction was spot on. He correctly predicted the result and the reasons for i.e. greater spread of scorers. As punters can't wait to see what he has to write he'll likely look for a pay rise too. You should send that post into 'off the fence' for the craic  ;D

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McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke.

Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Gormley was part of a 2 man marking job last year as Tyrone were using a sweeper. Mc Crory did not have that luxury yesterday.

Gormley was a one man marker and there was no sweeper! Joe was the usual sweeper for Tyrone and he was full back.

Another fine example of Tyrones blatant cheating and gamesmanship yesterday. At least Brolly called it on RTE. Cynicism at its worst. On the game itself I thought that two mediocre teams put on a decent game of football which maybe lacked quality at times but not intensity.

Quote from: yellowcard on June 11, 2012, 11:27:23 AM
Another fine example of Tyrones blatant cheating and gamesmanship yesterday. At least Brolly called it on RTE. Cynicism at its worst. On the game itself I thought that two mediocre teams put on a decent game of football which maybe lacked quality at times but not intensity.

You'd hate to see the really bad teams go it in that case.

The lovely thing about this board is there is an idiot for every day of the week. 

Quote from: yellowcard on June 11, 2012, 11:27:23 AM
Another fine example of Tyrones blatant cheating and gamesmanship yesterday. At least Brolly called it on RTE. Cynicism at its worst. On the game itself I thought that two mediocre teams put on a decent game of football which maybe lacked quality at times but not intensity.

I can understand your empathy with the boggle-eyed bullshitter - as both of you are wide of the mark. I'd say at least one of those mediocre teams will be playing football in the later stages of the championship - and right now I'd be happy if that were Armagh.

lacked quality? some of the scoring from O'Neill, Clarke and Cavanagh will not be bettered this year. The ball into clarke was deadly. Peter Harte was marked brilliantly.Joe McMahon was his usual brilliant self.

tyrones blatant cheating and gamesmanship? get real. Watch a recording of the game again if that helps to give you balance.

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Tyroneman and Fuzz , I agree wholeheartedly! David Coldrick was simply put, not good. Tyrone made it easy for him by continually carrying the ball into the tackle. Sean Cavanagh is seems to have lost a considerable amount of pace, and seems to struggle to blow by players they way he used to , after dropping his shoulder. Bottom line, you wont be winning any All irelands with Colm Cav in the middle of the field, I strongly believe , that if he wasn't Sean's Brother, he wouldnt even be on the panel! Aidan Cassidy is average, as is Cathal McCarron. Mark Donnelly as stated was the standout performer, for the most part ploughing a lone furrow. Curran in goals hardly inspires confidence either. Young McKenna was also very average and for all the hype its games like today that he should be showing in.......should have been gone a lot earlier. Freetaking is at best sketchey! We are probably a coin toss everytime we get a free , whether we will score it or miss! The pace that had been evident throughout the league was not on show today, perhaps we got our pace a little earlier than most teams this year? Only positive....a good kick in the whole before the applemunchers! :o

Your typical a section of Tyrone supporters. Don't remember much chat from you when they won 12 games in a row and as soon as they lose one everyone is in for serious abuse. I don't even think you bothered going to the game? The lads put a lot of effort in and our the best in the county and don't deserve crap like that.

Colm Cavanagh played in a minor All Ireland winning team, played midfield for the u21s, played for Jordanstown and came on in the 2008 All Ireland final scoring the last point. So this is all down to him being Seans brother? He's had plenty of decent games this year when you didn't comment on him them. Despite being prone to errors he puts in a lot of work around the middle and is more than worth his place on the panel.

Niall McKenna starred on an All Ireland winning minor team a few years ago. But again he's picked cause of his name?

Anyone who thinks Mickey Harte picks players cause of their surname doesn't have a clue. Tyrone won't win every game they play and currently haven't got the best team in Ireland. So there's no point in these over the top reactions every time we lose a match.
[/quoteYes you are correct, I didnt get to the match, watched it on the box ( due to the fact I live 6000 miles from home now ::)) You miss the point about Colm and McKenna. By the time Colm came on the minor scene, Sean was Irelands youngest rising star, " the new Jack O'Shea?". So everybody had this anticipation about this younger brother that was coming along as well. As for McKenna, umm but did you know he had a slightly famous daddy? One of Tyrones greatest ever players. What I am NOT saying is that they cant play football, what I AM saying is that perhaps they had a slight leg up versus  A.N Other form Clonoe or Aghaloo etc??

For a fella only on the team because of who his brother is, i suppose he did quite well.

Listened to Paddy O'Rourke being interviewed on the Beeb on the way home. He thought it was a great game...he was obviously neutral. Selections and decisions cost us. the players on the pitch gave it 100% some just weren't up to it. From the stands you just knew tyrone were always going to win. After Aaron Kernan went of Clarke got nothing until Hannratty came on, surely an indication that a couple of more Cross players such as Hanratty and Tony Kernan would benefit Clarkes productivity. Some of the younger lads played well today, Forker looked good and glad to see Finn Mo redeem himself and silence his detractors. Lots of hope but seriously need to up the ante on the line.

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did anyone hear what BRolly was saying about the game?

"Tyrone masters of the dark arts"  ::)

I usually enjoy his words after games but he could give no credit to Tyrone and put their win down to buying frees. Let himself down today.

He is trying too hard to be contraversial.

Whatever about the few frees, Tyrone could not have bought their deserved victory. Tough on Armagh who kept plugging away and had their opportunities.
The game kept me away from Spain v Italy which was reckoned to be superb entertainment. That may be so but still not a patch on a competitive entertaining Ulster championship match.

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Note to Heaney - Seems like Tyrone have a different tactic rather then playing through Peter Harte in 'straight lines'...4 days worth of his shite in the Irish News...cant wait to see what he has to write tmro

If he was of a mind he'd probably write how his Saturday prediction was spot on. He correctly predicted the result and the reasons for i.e. greater spread of scorers. As punters can't wait to see what he has to write he'll likely look for a pay rise too. You should send that post into 'off the fence' for the craic  ;D

;D
Don't forget these other gems from Heaney. 
"Kingham will start full-forward" "McNabb is injured so McMahon will move to Wing Forward" & "Harte running from centre back".

Quote from: Hashtag on June 10, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
Ronan McNabb not fit to start. Aidan Cassidy replaces him at MF with Joseph McMahon operating in the half forward line, playing McNabb's role. #leaked

Good call.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
Paddy heaney leaking info again lol

Leaking something brown like an old radiator.

A number of positives and, depsite what Jarlath would say, a number of negatives. McEvoy had a quiet game but was consistent with his kickouts and varied them well, the short ones worked well.

FB line struggled but that is one of Tyrones strongest lines. In the HB line Finn Mo did very well and is one of the best games I have seen him play for Armagh, single task well completed. AK was a huge lose, the brain around the middle and hopefully he won't be out too long. Duffy did ok going forward but he is clearly not fit enough for county football and his conditioning backs up what I was told.

Midfield was a mixed bag. Mackin was not in the game at all. Toner was great in the air but he was blitzed over the ground and his lack of mobility was badly exposed at times by Cavanagh. Vernon did ok when he came in and I think if Johnny got a run in the team he would be an excellent addition. He has a great understanding with Jamie as does AK and their passing into him could be crucial. I think a MF three of Vernon, Tone and Hanratty is the way to go but to do that you need a fluid forward line. Anto Duffy did rightly but without much return, Forker was playing well and he is a player I like a lot. He gives the team balance. Brian Mallon played very well and stood up for the first time in a long time. His points in the second half were excellent. Rafferty played very well and has potential but needs to add a few scores to his bow. Jamie was excellent but needs help in around him. People are well off saying he is selfish. When he is on a run of form like he is he is well within his right to go for it. He played a lovely ball into Mallon I think it was in the first half from the sideline and there was a great goal scoring chance created from it.

As for the Kingham sub it might have worked when it was 15 v 15 and I could understand the logic behind it in so far as he is a strong ball winner and Armagh needed help inside for Jamie. However once Dyas was sent off (correctly too in my view, as corn said stupid play by a lad that should know better), the dynamic of the game had changed. It was clear that Tyrone would play an extra man in defence so if the ball was going to be lumped in then they had a man there to sweep up the break ball and so it turned out. What was needed at that stage was Jamie and McParland to work off the square and someone like Tony Kernan brought in. The ball had to be run at the Tyrone defence to draw the extra man out and then popped into space in front of Jamie and McParland. I reckon if they had done that they would have created a few extra scores and perhaps created a goal chance. Hindsight is 20-20 and it is easy to say that from here but the main thing is that lessons need to be learned, my concern is that they won't.

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McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke.

Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Clarke was held scoreless, becasue every time he got the ball and he did get every ball that went into him, he was fouled

Gormley was part of a 2 man marking job last year as Tyrone were using a sweeper. Mc Crory did not have that luxury yesterday.

Gormley was a one man marker and there was no sweeper! Joe was the usual sweeper for Tyrone and he was full back.

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Note to Heaney - Seems like Tyrone have a different tactic rather then playing through Peter Harte in 'straight lines'...4 days worth of his shite in the Irish News...cant wait to see what he has to write tmro

If he was of a mind he'd probably write how his Saturday prediction was spot on. He correctly predicted the result and the reasons for i.e. greater spread of scorers. As punters can't wait to see what he has to write he'll likely look for a pay rise too. You should send that post into 'off the fence' for the craic  ;D

;D
Don't forget these other gems from Heaney. 
"Kingham will start full-forward" "McNabb is injured so McMahon will move to Wing Forward" & "Harte running from centre back".

I know. The lad has some serious supereriority complex - sits on a couple of 'panel shows' with Benny Tierney and Ross Carr, and all of a sudden has the 'inside track'. Last week he had insiders in both ARMAGH and TYRONE camps?

Really?

Hardly. I have read a couple of his artcles that have been brilliant. I have also read 100s of pieces where he is so wide of the mark, he could tog out as a forward for Antrim.

That said, he probably has the inside track there too

That Minor game yesterday was brilliant. It was great to see players unfettered by negativity - some of the foot passing was brilliant. No dirt. Clean and hard football, and at such an excellent and consistent standard.

It is a shame that Armagh will not be able to take advantage of the back door - the deserve to play again, and  indeed other audiences deserve to see them play...its stupid that minor football doesnt mirror the senior format, guessing that over playing will have something to do with it.

Great opener to the main event.

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McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke.

Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Gormley was part of a 2 man marking job last year as Tyrone were using a sweeper. Mc Crory did not have that luxury yesterday.

Gormley was a one man marker and there was no sweeper! Joe was the usual sweeper for Tyrone and he was full back.

Clarke was held scoreless, becasue every time he got the ball and he did get every ball that went into him, he was fouled

In the same way as Peter Harte (0-2) was fouled yesterday every time he got next or near the ball?

Quote from: Applesisapples on June 11, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
Listened to Paddy O'Rourke being interviewed on the Beeb on the way home. He thought it was a great game...he was obviously neutral. Selections and decisions cost us. the players on the pitch gave it 100% some just weren't up to it. From the stands you just knew tyrone were always going to win. After Aaron Kernan went of Clarke got nothing until Hannratty came on, surely an indication that a couple of more Cross players such as Hanratty and Tony Kernan would benefit Clarkes productivity. Some of the younger lads played well today, Forker looked good and glad to see Finn Mo redeem himself and silence his detractors. Lots of hope but seriously need to up the ante on the line.

Tony Kernan has been tried ad nauseum for the county to no great affect.  We have a queue of young attackers who deserve a chance. The qualifiers will hopefully be an opportunity to see what Gavin McParland, Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Eugene McVerry and Jamie Clarke can do.  With Brian Mallon thrown in there also we will have a young, pacy, fluid forward line.....let them at it.  Why not through young O'Hanlon onto the squad like we did with Ronan Clarke in 01?  I'm not saying he's going to start or maybe even come on but get him involved in the squad, give him a feel for it.
Tyrone have mentioned their injury list and rightly so, but what about Armagh's before, and more importantly, during the game yesterday. We lost AK, Finn Mo and Aidan Forker through the match all of whom were having a major influence whilst on the pitch.

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Quote from: Applesisapples on June 11, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
Listened to Paddy O'Rourke being interviewed on the Beeb on the way home. He thought it was a great game...he was obviously neutral. Selections and decisions cost us. the players on the pitch gave it 100% some just weren't up to it. From the stands you just knew tyrone were always going to win. After Aaron Kernan went of Clarke got nothing until Hannratty came on, surely an indication that a couple of more Cross players such as Hanratty and Tony Kernan would benefit Clarkes productivity. Some of the younger lads played well today, Forker looked good and glad to see Finn Mo redeem himself and silence his detractors. Lots of hope but seriously need to up the ante on the line.

Tony Kernan has been tried ad nauseum for the county to no great affect.  We have a queue of young attackers who deserve a chance. The qualifiers will hopefully be an opportunity to see what Gavin McParland, Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Eugene McVerry and Jamie Clarke can do.  With Brian Mallon thrown in there also we will have a young, pacy, fluid forward line.....let them at it.  Why not through young O'Hanlon onto the squad like we did with Ronan Clarke in 01?  I'm not saying he's going to start or maybe even come on but get him involved in the squad, give him a feel for it.
Tyrone have mentioned their injury list and rightly so, but what about Armagh's before, and more importantly, during the game yesterday. We lost AK, Finn Mo and Aidan Forker through the match all of whom were having a major influence whilst on the pitch.

He looked like a player alright - there was some class acts on show in the minor game yesterday with Mark Bradley for Tyrone the pick of the bunch - will be interesting to see how he gets on as the season progresses.

Quote from: Nally Stand on June 11, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
Conor Gorlmey did it last year and held him scoreless!

Indeed - let's hope Conor raises his glass to Pascal McConnell when he regales others with that one.    ;)

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
2 things stood out for me:

That was some man marking job Moriarty did on Harte. There'll be an orange hand print on Peter's back tonight. Moriarty completely sacrificed any ball time and spent the game facing Harte or touching his jersey. Even when Harte went back to defend, Moriarty followed him in case he got his hands on the ball on his own endline. Remarkable application to his gameplan.

McCrory on Clarke. I'm sure the papers will give him low markings tomorrow but when you're going man-for-man, no one will get the better of Jamie Clarke. I thought McCrory did fine - Clarke (I don't think) never got a sniff of goal. He scored a few remarkable points that only he and O'Neill could do.

Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

Sure Colm is only on cause he's Seans brother. Wonder will some of the lads who have given him awful stick at times give him a bit of credit for yesterday.

Just a number of things on Armagh,,,

Dont knnow what game some people were watching here..  Duffy when he came on was loose in the extreme in the tackle. I thought and offered nothing. 

Johnny Hanratty has to start for Armagh in the next game just alone to rough things up and win the dirty ball..  Nobody capable on yesterday to do it.

Would it be an option for Armagh to move Finnian Moriarty to corner back and playing maybe Dyas or Vernon or someone like that wing half back?  McKeever was sacrificed in the corner where Armagh could have done with his experience further out the field.

Thought McParland was very impressive when introduced. Strong Athletic and play off both feet.  Looks the real deal and could take some of the workload off Clarke

I think McKeever was mis-used yesterday. I understand that the idea was to take the best marking-defender to mark the best opposition forward. But I don't think that is generally all that successful.

It works well against a team with just one top quality attacker (like often happens at club level) but not when there is one top attacker and a few others who are also high quality. It also works well if that is the natural position for the defender.

Playing a superb half back at corner back in place of a decent dedicated corner back just means that you reduce the value of the half back to a little better than the corner back he replaces, but also at the cost of weakening the half-back line. No-one was going to totally stop O'Neill so McKeever was simply employed as damage limitation. If a decent corner back had instead been given a simple man-marking role then he probably would have kept O'Neill to a very similar level of contribution. But McKeever would then have been free to play his more familiar and influential role at CHB.

Sacrificing the half-back position (especially in the absence of Vernon) meant that more ball was played into O'Neill. If McKeever had been CHB probably less ball would have gone in. Also McKeever would have been able to help out in break ball and moving eh play forward.

Really enjoyable game yesterday, both teams deserve credit for serving up an exciting match, but loads of incident & skill, playyed should I add in a tough but sportmanlike manner.

From an Armagh point of view, while disappointed I was very heartened by the display, i saw more yesterday than say our performance against Down last year. More in regard to new players blooding and actually producing the good in a high level game. I though Rafferty, forker & Duffy can all be proud of their championship debuts. That said, i'll say it again, Jamie clarke is worth the admission fee alone, a delight....

Thought big Toner did well in the middle considering he has played no ball all year, Malachy had a poor game by his standards. Mc Keever was wasted in the FB line, we really missed him at CHB. Dyas was probably Armaghs best player in the first half. For all the endeavor, I think Tyrone just shaded it and deserved to win, they just have a couple of more experienced and accurate forwards at the present moment in time...

If Mc Parland, Hanratty & Vernon come into the team, I can see us giving the qualifers a quere rattle....

Tyrone, seem a bit short this year, I still fancy Donegal to win the Ulster...

Quote from: sheamy on June 11, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Anyone else think Ciaran McKeever is hugely overrated? After Eoin Bradley made him look second rate last year, Stevie O'Neill repeated the dose yesterday.

Eh no, he is far from overrated, he is the real deal.

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Quote from: sheamy on June 11, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Anyone else think Ciaran McKeever is hugely overrated? After Eoin Bradley made him look second rate last year, Stevie O'Neill repeated the dose yesterday.

Eh no, he is far from overrated, he is the real deal.

He is as good a chb as there is in the country, he is not suited to marking a "marque" forward.

An enjoyable match yesterday, I always thought Tyrone had that wee bit extra in the tank when it was needed. Armagh stepped up a bit when reduced to 14, although up to that point Dyas was one of the better Armagh performers.

It looks like the days of armagh fluking wins over tyrone in ulster with the help of dodgy referees is over for a long time. Football wins again. Thank feck.

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It looks like the days of armagh fluking wins over tyrone in ulster with the help of dodgy referees is over for a long time. Football wins again. Thank feck.

A pollution

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Listened to Paddy O'Rourke being interviewed on the Beeb on the way home. He thought it was a great game...he was obviously neutral. Selections and decisions cost us. the players on the pitch gave it 100% some just weren't up to it. From the stands you just knew tyrone were always going to win. After Aaron Kernan went of Clarke got nothing until Hannratty came on, surely an indication that a couple of more Cross players such as Hanratty and Tony Kernan would benefit Clarkes productivity. Some of the younger lads played well today, Forker looked good and glad to see Finn Mo redeem himself and silence his detractors. Lots of hope but seriously need to up the ante on the line.

Tony Kernan has been tried ad nauseum for the county to no great affect.  We have a queue of young attackers who deserve a chance. The qualifiers will hopefully be an opportunity to see what Gavin McParland, Rory Grugan, Aidan Forker, Eugene McVerry and Jamie Clarke can do.  With Brian Mallon thrown in there also we will have a young, pacy, fluid forward line.....let them at it.  Why not throw young O'Hanlon onto the squad like we did with Ronan Clarke in 01?  I'm not saying he's going to start or maybe even come on but get him involved in the squad, give him a feel for it.
Tyrone have mentioned their injury list and rightly so, but what about Armagh's before, and more importantly, during the game yesterday. We lost AK, Finn Mo and Aidan Forker through the match all of whom were having a major influence whilst on the pitch.

+1 He's a great lad and should be blooded in now.

Maybe one of the reasons that Armagh' midfield did well was because Tyrone's midfield is complete shite?

Having said that, yesterday showed signs that Armagh can become a real competitive again in 3-4 years time. A good run in the qualifiers will all depend on how quickly we meet Kerry - we should have enough to beat all the rest.

The flaw in that thinking is that the all Ireland u21 winning team are 29/30 and in 2/3 years will be past their prime. That includes McKeever, Mallon, Mallon, ak and mackin

Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
Colm Cavanagh - where did that come from?

That had been in the making all year; probably no coincidence that his football has excelled as his on-field discipline has entrenched itself (witness the total lack of mouthy attitude now).

Quote from: Orior on June 11, 2012, 09:38:43 PM
Maybe one of the reasons that Armagh' midfield did well was because Tyrone's midfield is complete shite?

Having said that, yesterday showed signs that Armagh can become a real competitive again in 3-4 years time. A good run in the qualifiers will all depend on how quickly we meet Kerry - we should have enough to beat all the rest.

Galway would give you a game.

I see the irish news ratings today were accurate ;D

peterharte7.5

stephen o neill 6.5

what game was that fool at. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

A few positives to take from the game but alas for me quite a few negatives as well particularly in terms of tactics.  Dealing with the tactics first half, the idea of moving McKeever back to mark O'Neill was sensible enough imo as before kick off I would have thought he would have been able to cope but if your going to do that why not have McKenna move out and take up the CHB position, he may be young but he is certainly played there before.  Moving Mallon to that position for me showed he isnt a chb.  To then drop Toner back to play as a sweeper was then foolish imo.  Toner whilst playing well when performing as a midfielder showed he clearly isnt a sweeper, not knowing when to track runners, when to mark space and when to go to the ball.  For me it was no surprise that about 8 of the Tyrone scores in the first half came from Tyrone being able to get players into the area about 40m out in front of the goal.  I was then further surprised that when McKeever was switched off O'Neill in the first half that he was moved onto Mugsy leaving us with a natural corner back playing playing out the field and a natural chb marking a good but not spectacular forward. It was too difficult for me to see this was rectified in the second half.

The tactic then of throwing on Kingham was poorly timed and extremely naive.  The Armagh forwards particularly McParland were thriving on the ball out infront but the introduction of Kingham crowded that space and made that ball much more difficult to execute.  As a result we were left with the tactic of having to throw high ball in to an inexperienced big forward being marked by a man who along with his brother have shown how strong they are against the high ball and big forwards in recent years.

On the plus sides there were a number of fine individuals displays across the pitch from Armagh and there clearly is a nucleus of a good squad there but I would like to see more cross lads involved including Stephen and Tony Kernan.  All in all if we get a good draw we might make the qf this year which is at least progress but I fully expect us to regress next game

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
In the HB line Finn Mo did very well and is one of the best games I have seen him play for Armagh

I know he had a job to do but if his best game for Armagh saw him touch the ball 3-4 times......

Quote from: LAP THE LOUGH on June 11, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
I see the irish news ratings today were accurate ;D

peterharte7.5

stephen o neill 6.5

what game was that fool at. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that. If Peter was a 7.5 for that game, he must normally be a 10.

I've put together a tactics piece on this for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5885

Quote from: Agent Orange on June 10, 2012, 08:40:45 PM

Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on June 10, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
Just watched Mickey Harte talk to Tomas Kane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/18338503

After what has been going on in Mauritius, the fact that he can keep it together with such dignity?

You are some man Mickey Harte

+ 1 The man has some strength

I find it very odd that he isn't in Mauritius. I know if I was in that situation I would be there.

And would you leave your wife at home? Dealing with all thats going on in the press? I think alot of people (unintentionally) seem to forget Mickeys wife in this tragedy!

Quote from: ONeill on June 12, 2012, 12:01:13 AM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
In the HB line Finn Mo did very well and is one of the best games I have seen him play for Armagh

I know he had a job to do but if his best game for Armagh saw him touch the ball 3-4 times......

As a defender doing a specific man marking job on a danger man if your man is cosiderably less effective and you don't touch the ball too often then job done, end of story.

I'd have to agree that whilst his own game wasn't too proactive, he certainly did an excellent (if sometimes illegal) job on Harte.
A bit like what Kildare did and I'd say McGeeney could have had some input there.
Difference between the teams though is Tyrone have a few more forwards that can be a handful and can all kick scores.

Interesting reading that tactic analysis. I didn't particularly notice that Tyrone switched from being man to man to being more defensive blanket in the 2nd half. I would agree though that the high ball into Kingham was gladly accepted by our defense as the low fast ball into the corners was proving hard to handle.

When Armagh pulled it back to all square I did fear the worse but our "Go to men" pulled through.
A bit alarming how quiet Mugsy and Harte were all game and how Stevie turned back that time after the great catch.

From watching it on TV live and then after I still can't see how it was a penalty but maybe I'm red tainted glasses.

I for one have been converted about Colm last year so I was not at all surprised to see him do so well
He's lack of mouthing though will certainly be well welcomed but I'd say next day out he'll be targetted again.
What's the story with Justy? I don't think he's played well at FB for a long time now though his hamstrings are always at him I suppose.

From the highly acclaimed Belfast Tele
By Colm Keys

Just when you least expect it, the Ulster football championship goes and produces a game like this.

Without a second thought it was the best match of a championship that is already four weekends old.

Tyrone won, and the suspicion from early on was that no matter what Armagh threw at them, they probably would have had a sufficient response anyway.

That's how it transpired down the home stretch as Armagh, reduced to 14 men when Kevin Dyas picked up two yellow cards within the space of 90 seconds midway through the second half, came storming back in the last quarter to draw level.

But Tyrone's ability to soak up that punishment and counter themselves with three unanswered points in a third of the time Armagh had taken to close that same gap was the mark of a team that knows its place.

Peter Harte, Martin Penrose from a free and Stephen O'Neill got the points to win it but it was the collective nature of the Tyrone effort which really stood out. They had no passengers.

In contrast, the responsibility to deliver up front for Armagh weighed heavily on the supremely gifted Jamie Clarke, and he didn't shirk it. Without him, this wouldn't have been a contest.

In the white heat of Ulster championship battle his slim build and boyish features look wholly out of place. Look at him in the company of bulkier defenders and you might actually fear for his well-being.

But Clarke has an almost magical awareness of space. In the tight confines of the Morgan Athletic Grounds he found it. Every time.

In the end, his five points, four from play, weren't enough but his contribution was hailed in the opposite camp.

"Quality players like Jamie can't be stopped, they can only be contained to a degree and that's what we tried to do. We did that in as positive a fashion as we possibly could," said Tyrone manager Mickey Harte.

"It wasn't a case of closing him out and sending two men or anything else. Jamie Clarke is that kind of talent that he doesn't need much space or much room."

The quality of the game was the perfect platform for Harte afterwards to continue to pick holes in the ongoing argument that Gaelic football needs a serious makeover and his unwavering contention that the provincial championships have a robust future on the calendar.

"I thought the people got serious value for money there too," suggested Harte.

"People talk about blanket defences and this, that and the other as if there is no right for a team to change what they do or experiment. The scoreline tells its own tale. It wasn't that it was very open.

"Football has more to offer than some of those narrow-minded pundits would have you believe."

There was much to enthuse about this. For a start, the amount of clean catches from kick-outs was a stand-out feature, perhaps because it's an art not witnessed very much any more.

Armagh's Kieran Toner was prolific in this respect, consistently rising to impressive heights to take down his own and Tyrone's restarts.

The tackling was of the highest order too, and referee Joe McQuillan played his part with a level of tolerance that was just right.

The fact that he noticed most of the more cynical jersey-pulls and off-the-ball blocking gave him control, though Harte was slightly critical afterwards even though the free count was very much in his team's favour.

"I would say again I would look at the consistency of the man in the middle. It might have had an impact on the game as well. Maybe I am looking at it through biased eyes but I did feel we had a little bit more difficulty getting a free and sometimes it went the other way," Harte observed.

But it was the general approach play of both teams which stood out.

Armagh's goal on nine minutes had its source in Ciaran McKeever's dispossession of Stephen O'Neill inside his own '45'. The next link in the chain after that was Clarke, only 50 metres from his own goal.

Dyas and Caolan Rafferty made the decisive plays later in the build-up as Aidan Forker nipped in and slipped a deft left-foot shot past Pascal McConnell for a 1-1 to 0-2 lead.

The benefits were short-lived, however, with Joe McMahon and Colm Cavanagh gaining an upper hand at midfield and Donnelly and Penrose orchestrating everything after that. Tyrone's 0-11 to 1-5 interval advantage was well merited.

Tyrone tweaked the system that had been so profitable for them in the league until the Division 2 final against Kildare and that saw Peter Harte back in a more conventional half-forward role. It took Harte a while to make an impact but when he did it was a most telling one in the last quarter.

Armagh can point to a number of factors that went against them. Aaron Kernan had to retire at the interval with a hamstring injury but his replacement - Dyas dropped back to wing-back - Gavin McParland chipped in with two inspiring points to close the gap to one point, 0-13 to 1-9, in the 48th minute.

Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke felt the sending-off of Dyas was a turning point but in the subsequent 10 minutes they played some of their best football to gain parity at 1-12 to 0-15 with three unanswered points.

Curiously, Armagh introduced the towering John Kingham in the middle of this run -- the policy was to let the ball in quickly and directly to him in the hope that chaos would reign around him.

But Tyrone were comfortable with that tactic, with Joe McMahon, switched to full-back for the second half after brother Justin's forced withdrawal, reading the play well.

From five 'hit and hope' deliveries into Kingham, Armagh got just one point from Clarke at the end when the game was effectively gone.

O'Rourke conceded that the ploy hadn't worked.

"We've been working on both ways of playing and at that stage we were down a man and we felt that if he was in there it would leave us that we'd have less running to do because we could send it into him. Big John is an honest player, and Joe McMahon did well on him punching the ball away. But it didn't work," he said.

All of their other substitutes worked, however, even those that were forced upon them.

Harte sees incremental benefits in winning provincial matches of this nature.

"You want to be winning Ulster championship matches because if you don't do that, there is a degree of growth missing in the maturity of those players. Winning a game like that brings those players on more than anything else in the world," he said.

Scorers - Tyrone: M Penrose 0-8 (5f), Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan (1f), C Cavanagh, P Harte all 0-2 each, M Donnelly, Joe McMahon, D Carlin all 0-1 each. Armagh: J Clarke 0-5 (1f), A Forker 1-1 (1f), B Mallon 0-4 (4f), G McParland 0-2, K Dyas 0-1.

Tyrone - P McConnell 8; A McRory 6, Justin McMahon 6, D Carlin 7; C McCarron 5, C Gormley 7, Sean O'Neill 7; Joe McMahon 8, C Cavanagh 7; R McNabb 6, M Donnelly 8, P Harte 7; M Penrose 8, Stephen O'Neill 7, O Mulligan 6. Subs: M Murphy 5 for Justin McMahon inj, N McKenna for Mulligan (65), R McMenamin for McCarron (67), P McNiece for Donnelly inj (72).

Armagh - P McEvoy 7; D McKenna 4, B Donaghy 6, C McKeever 6; A Kernan 6, A Mallon 6, F Moriarty 5; K Toner 8, M Mackin 6; A Forker 6, K Dyas 7, A Duffy 5; J Clarke 9, B Mallon 7, C Rafferty 6. Subs: P Duffy 7 for McKenna (18), G McParland 8 for Kernan (h-t), J Hanratty 7 for Forker (47), C Vernon for Moriarty (54), J Kingham 5 for Mackin (57).

Ref - J McQuillan (Cavan)


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-019-armagh-113-16170777.html#ixzz1xaHF2a89 (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-019-armagh-113-16170777.html#ixzz1xaHF2a89)

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2012, 02:09:49 PM
From the highly acclaimed Belfast Tele
[i]By Colm Keys[/i]



Just when you least expect it, the Ulster football championship goes and produces a game like this.

Without a second thought it was the best match of a championship that is already four weekends old.

Tyrone won, and the suspicion from early on was that no matter what Armagh threw at them, they probably would have had a sufficient response anyway.

That's how it transpired down the home stretch as Armagh, reduced to 14 men when Kevin Dyas picked up two yellow cards within the space of 90 seconds midway through the second half, came storming back in the last quarter to draw level.

But Tyrone's ability to soak up that punishment and counter themselves with three unanswered points in a third of the time Armagh had taken to close that same gap was the mark of a team that knows its place.

Peter Harte, Martin Penrose from a free and Stephen O'Neill got the points to win it but it was the collective nature of the Tyrone effort which really stood out. They had no passengers.

In contrast, the responsibility to deliver up front for Armagh weighed heavily on the supremely gifted Jamie Clarke, and he didn't shirk it. Without him, this wouldn't have been a contest.

In the white heat of Ulster championship battle his slim build and boyish features look wholly out of place. Look at him in the company of bulkier defenders and you might actually fear for his well-being.

But Clarke has an almost magical awareness of space. In the tight confines of the Morgan Athletic Grounds he found it. Every time.

In the end, his five points, four from play, weren't enough but his contribution was hailed in the opposite camp.

"Quality players like Jamie can't be stopped, they can only be contained to a degree and that's what we tried to do. We did that in as positive a fashion as we possibly could," said Tyrone manager Mickey Harte.

"It wasn't a case of closing him out and sending two men or anything else. Jamie Clarke is that kind of talent that he doesn't need much space or much room."

The quality of the game was the perfect platform for Harte afterwards to continue to pick holes in the ongoing argument that Gaelic football needs a serious makeover and his unwavering contention that the provincial championships have a robust future on the calendar.

"I thought the people got serious value for money there too," suggested Harte.

"People talk about blanket defences and this, that and the other as if there is no right for a team to change what they do or experiment. The scoreline tells its own tale. It wasn't that it was very open.

"Football has more to offer than some of those narrow-minded pundits would have you believe."

There was much to enthuse about this. For a start, the amount of clean catches from kick-outs was a stand-out feature, perhaps because it's an art not witnessed very much any more.

Armagh's Kieran Toner was prolific in this respect, consistently rising to impressive heights to take down his own and Tyrone's restarts.

The tackling was of the highest order too, and referee Joe McQuillan played his part with a level of tolerance that was just right.

The fact that he noticed most of the more cynical jersey-pulls and off-the-ball blocking gave him control, though Harte was slightly critical afterwards even though the free count was very much in his team's favour.

"I would say again I would look at the consistency of the man in the middle. It might have had an impact on the game as well. Maybe I am looking at it through biased eyes but I did feel we had a little bit more difficulty getting a free and sometimes it went the other way," Harte observed.

But it was the general approach play of both teams which stood out.

Armagh's goal on nine minutes had its source in Ciaran McKeever's dispossession of Stephen O'Neill inside his own '45'. The next link in the chain after that was Clarke, only 50 metres from his own goal.

Dyas and Caolan Rafferty made the decisive plays later in the build-up as Aidan Forker nipped in and slipped a deft left-foot shot past Pascal McConnell for a 1-1 to 0-2 lead.

The benefits were short-lived, however, with Joe McMahon and Colm Cavanagh gaining an upper hand at midfield and Donnelly and Penrose orchestrating everything after that. Tyrone's 0-11 to 1-5 interval advantage was well merited.

Tyrone tweaked the system that had been so profitable for them in the league until the Division 2 final against Kildare and that saw Peter Harte back in a more conventional half-forward role. It took Harte a while to make an impact but when he did it was a most telling one in the last quarter.

Armagh can point to a number of factors that went against them. Aaron Kernan had to retire at the interval with a hamstring injury but his replacement - Dyas dropped back to wing-back - Gavin McParland chipped in with two inspiring points to close the gap to one point, 0-13 to 1-9, in the 48th minute.

Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke felt the sending-off of Dyas was a turning point but in the subsequent 10 minutes they played some of their best football to gain parity at 1-12 to 0-15 with three unanswered points.

Curiously, Armagh introduced the towering John Kingham in the middle of this run -- the policy was to let the ball in quickly and directly to him in the hope that chaos would reign around him.

But Tyrone were comfortable with that tactic, with Joe McMahon, switched to full-back for the second half after brother Justin's forced withdrawal, reading the play well.

From five 'hit and hope' deliveries into Kingham, Armagh got just one point from Clarke at the end when the game was effectively gone.

O'Rourke conceded that the ploy hadn't worked.

"We've been working on both ways of playing and at that stage we were down a man and we felt that if he was in there it would leave us that we'd have less running to do because we could send it into him. Big John is an honest player, and Joe McMahon did well on him punching the ball away. But it didn't work," he said.

All of their other substitutes worked, however, even those that were forced upon them.

Harte sees incremental benefits in winning provincial matches of this nature.

"You want to be winning Ulster championship matches because if you don't do that, there is a degree of growth missing in the maturity of those players. Winning a game like that brings those players on more than anything else in the world," he said.

Scorers - Tyrone: M Penrose 0-8 (5f), Stephen O'Neill, O Mulligan (1f), C Cavanagh, P Harte all 0-2 each, M Donnelly, Joe McMahon, D Carlin all 0-1 each. Armagh: J Clarke 0-5 (1f), A Forker 1-1 (1f), B Mallon 0-4 (4f), G McParland 0-2, K Dyas 0-1.

Tyrone - P McConnell 8; A McRory 6, Justin McMahon 6, D Carlin 7; C McCarron 5, C Gormley 7, Sean O'Neill 7; Joe McMahon 8, C Cavanagh 7; R McNabb 6, M Donnelly 8, P Harte 7; M Penrose 8, Stephen O'Neill 7, O Mulligan 6. Subs: M Murphy 5 for Justin McMahon inj, N McKenna for Mulligan (65), R McMenamin for McCarron (67), P McNiece for Donnelly inj (72).

Armagh - P McEvoy 7; D McKenna 4, B Donaghy 6, C McKeever 6; A Kernan 6, A Mallon 6, F Moriarty 5; K Toner 8, M Mackin 6; A Forker 6, K Dyas 7, A Duffy 5; J Clarke 9, B Mallon 7, C Rafferty 6. Subs: P Duffy 7 for McKenna (18), G McParland 8 for Kernan (h-t), J Hanratty 7 for Forker (47), C Vernon for Moriarty (54), J Kingham 5 for Mackin (57).

Ref - J McQuillan (Cavan)


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-019-armagh-113-16170777.html#ixzz1xaHF2a89 (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/tyrone-019-armagh-113-16170777.html#ixzz1xaHF2a89)

Belfast Telegraph ?? Some chance.

Interesting comparison of the game between the Telegraph and Emmet Ryan although either Im misreading one of the articles or one of them wasn't watching the match because they give a different account of the goal :P

Quote from: emmetryan on June 12, 2012, 06:44:20 AM
I've put together a tactics piece on this for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5885

Fair dues Emmet, interesting analysis.

Thanks lads and David, I rewound that goal enough times so I hope I got it right.

Had a great day at the football on Sunday. Both minor and senior games were high quality matches. I see that Penrose got MoTM on both RTE and the BBC. He had a stormer of a game, but for me, I felt it would have been Joe McMahon.

I've often had my doubts about Colm Cavanagh, but he has proved me wrong during the league and continuous to do so. His discipline was one thing that surprised me though on Sunday, he kept his cool during the game. I'm glad to see this coming into his game now.

People are saying that Peter Harte was slow, but I think we are judging him by his own high standards and Armagh had him well shut down.

Before the game, I wasn't sure if Tyrone were contenders for the Ulster Championship, but my confidence is slowly coming back. The Donegal / Derry game will be another tough test, but one I'm sure the team are ready for.

Quote from: Take Your Points on June 14, 2012, 06:16:45 PM
How did you rate the facilities at the stadium?

The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM

Quote from: Take Your Points on June 14, 2012, 06:16:45 PM
How did you rate the facilities at the stadium?

The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Oh dear. Would that have been an Armagh hallion?

Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2012, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM

Quote from: Take Your Points on June 14, 2012, 06:16:45 PM
How did you rate the facilities at the stadium?

The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Oh dear. Would that have been an Armagh hallion?

Do you know him?  :D

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Horrible shower those Stewarts.

Quote from: Agent Orange on June 14, 2012, 10:46:14 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Horrible shower those Stewarts.

In fairness, it was only one. Couldn't fault any of the others, in fact, they were excellent.

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 11:03:47 PM

Quote from: Agent Orange on June 14, 2012, 10:46:14 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Horrible shower those Stewarts.

In fairness, it was only one. Couldn't fault any of the others, in fact, they were excellent.

Probably John Stewart, he is a bit of a bollox alright.

Steward

Quote from: ziggysego on June 15, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
Steward

No definitely John Stewart zig. ;)

Glad you enjoyed the game and the facilities.

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 09:33:51 PM

Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2012, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 08:36:45 PM

Quote from: Take Your Points on June 14, 2012, 06:16:45 PM
How did you rate the facilities at the stadium?

The facilities were excellent, I wish I could say the same for one of the stewarts...

Oh dear. Would that have been an Armagh hallion?

Do you know him?  :D

My club provide two. They are GAA to the core, absolute core, but wouldnt necessarily be natural communicators nor facilitators.

Are the Athletic Grounds the best ground in Ulster at the moment? Who'd have thunk it a few years back.   

Is the Ulster Final there?

Quote from: puskas on June 15, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
Are the Athletic Grounds the best ground in Ulster at the moment? Who'd have thunk it a few years back.

i think it seems a great wee spot, but is it any different from newry and brewster park for example, they seem a similar type of ground.

wouldn't be big enuf for ulster final i would have thought, it'l be clones again

Quote
i think it seems a great wee spot, but is it any different from newry and brewster park for example, they seem a similar type of ground.

It is nearer the centre of town than Omagh and the covered terrace is good.
And the cathedrals look well in the TV coverage. 

Quotewouldn't be big enuf for ulster final i would have thought, it'l be clones again

It might have done for Derry v Fermanagh, but I'm not expecting that combination any year soon. 

Quote from: Orchardman on June 15, 2012, 08:38:19 PM

Quote from: puskas on June 15, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
Are the Athletic Grounds the best ground in Ulster at the moment? Who'd have thunk it a few years back.

i think it seems a great wee spot, but is it any different from newry and brewster park for example, they seem a similar type of ground.

wouldn't be big enuf for ulster final i would have thought, it'l be clones again

From a biased point of view. It is miles better than Brewster Park. Newry has a poor location and ok stand. The terracing in Newry is a long way better though. Although it has a small stand I like Celtic Park. Omagh is fairly good and I like Cavan. Exiting the stand in Ballybofey can be tough. Casement needs an overhaul. Clones ok. So foe me MAG is currently the best - and I can walk to it from home so that always helps!

Athletic grounds is currently the best ground in ulster. Great for watching games and I think the covering on the terrace helps the atmosphere. Everyone seems to be close to the pitch and the pitch itself is good. A lot of grounds done up should have been done in the same manner.

Morgans Diesel Field would not be even close to Casement as regards playing surface.  Casement is best in ulster if not ireland.

Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2012, 12:51:32 PM
Athletic grounds is currently the best ground in ulster. Great for watching games and I think the covering on the terrace helps the atmosphere. Everyone seems to be close to the pitch and the pitch itself is good. A lot of grounds done up should have been done in the same manner.

Bullshit, Casement is, I waled casement the last time I was home and casement is by far the best field outside of Croke Park.

I never said Athletics grounds had best pitch in Ulster. I said it had a good pitch. Overall I feel its the best ground in Ulster.

Quote from: stew on June 18, 2012, 12:35:05 AM

Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2012, 12:51:32 PM
Athletic grounds is currently the best ground in ulster. Great for watching games and I think the covering on the terrace helps the atmosphere. Everyone seems to be close to the pitch and the pitch itself is good. A lot of grounds done up should have been done in the same manner.

Bullshit, Casement is, I waled casement the last time I was home and casement is by far the best field outside of Croke Park.

Have you been in the Athletic grounds since it has been done up Stew, it really is a million light years away from when Armagh's famous comback against Fermanagh the early 90's!

I don't intend to sh*t stir with this post but I was just curious about the great rivalry between Armagh and Tyrone over the past decade as its 10 years now since Armagh's AI win.

Having read an article last month in the Irish Times or Indo about how Armagh's view of that Conor Gormley block in 2003 changed the whole landscape for both Tyrone and Armagh GAA, I thought I'd have a look at the results between the two teams for the last 10 or so years.
The article (I think Paul Grimley) said something to the effect that had that block not have been successful then Armagh would have won 2 in a row and could have went on to dominate the noughties with further titles rather than having only the 1 All-Ireland to show for such a great team.
Thanks to wiki, here are the results.

2000   Tyrone   0-08 v  Armagh   0-12   4 points win by Armagh
2001    Armagh   1-09 v  Tyrone   1-14   5 points win by Tyrone but Derry come back to haunt us in 1/4 final
2002   Armagh   1-12 v   Tyrone   1-12   Draw
Replay   Armagh   2-13 v   Tyrone   0-16   3 point win by Armagh - Tyrone nearly stole it but Thornton missed a goal
2003   Tyrone   0-12 v   Armagh   0-09   3 point win by Tyrone - Armagh nearly stole it but McDonnell missed a goal
2005   Armagh   2-08 v    Tyrone   0-14   Draw - Tyrone dominant game but Armagh make great comeback
Replay   Armagh   0-13 v   Tyrone   0-11   Armagh win by 2 in a very controversial game
Semi   Tyrone   1-13 v   Armagh  1-12   Tyrone win by 1 with a very controversial free near the end.
2009    Tyrone   2-10 v   Armagh   1-10   3 point win for Tyrone in Ulster 1/4
2011   Tyrone   2-13 v   Armagh   0-13   6 points win by Tyrone in round 3 of the Qualifiers
2012   Armagh   1-13 v   Tyrone    0-19   Tyrone win by 3 points in a high scoring open game

So over 13 years the 2 teams have met 11 times with 2 replays
Tyrone have won 6, Armagh have won 3 with 2 draws. Armagh won both replays.
Prior to 2000, they both met back in 1997 as well with Tyrone winning Tyrone 1-12 to 0-12.

No doubt now that I've highlighted Tyrone's dominance over Armagh over the last decade, I have set us up nicely for them to come back and teach us a lesson in the back door after our Donegal game. ;-)

I don't think we've met Donegal half as many times in the last 12 years but could they be the new force in Ulster for the next decade? With such a deep thinking manager, a great system already devised and bought into by all and of course talented forwards such as McFadden, Murphy and McBrearty, I think the future is no longer "Orange" but yellow.

You're some sh*t-stirrer Fuzz  ;)

Though you have a point, about the yellow future!  :)

Quote from: Fuzzman on June 20, 2012, 11:14:35 AM
I don't intend to sh*t stir with this post but I was just curious about the great rivalry between Armagh and Tyrone over the past decade as its 10 years now since Armagh's AI win.

Having read an article last month in the Irish Times or Indo about how Armagh's view of that Conor Gormley block in 2003 changed the whole landscape for both Tyrone and Armagh GAA, I thought I'd have a look at the results between the two teams for the last 10 or so years.
The article (I think Paul Grimley) said something to the effect that had that block not have been successful then Armagh would have won 2 in a row and could have went on to dominate the noughties with further titles rather than having only the 1 All-Ireland to show for such a great team.
Thanks to wiki, here are the results.

2000   Tyrone   0-08 v  Armagh   0-12   4 points win by Armagh
2001    Armagh   1-09 v  Tyrone   1-14   5 points win by Tyrone but Derry come back to haunt us in 1/4 final
2002   Armagh   1-12 v   Tyrone   1-12   Draw
Replay   Armagh   2-13 v   Tyrone   0-16   3 point win by Armagh - Tyrone nearly stole it but Thornton missed a goal
2003   Tyrone   0-12 v   Armagh   0-09   3 point win by Tyrone - Armagh nearly stole it but McDonnell missed a goal
2005   Armagh   2-08 v    Tyrone   0-14   Draw - Tyrone dominant game but Armagh make great comeback
Replay   Armagh   0-13 v   Tyrone   0-11   Armagh win by 2 in a very controversial game
Semi   Tyrone   1-13 v   Armagh  1-12   Tyrone win by 1 with a very controversial free near the end.
2009    Tyrone   2-10 v   Armagh   1-10   3 point win for Tyrone in Ulster 1/4
2011   Tyrone   2-13 v   Armagh   0-13   6 points win by Tyrone in round 3 of the Qualifiers
2012   Armagh   1-13 v   Tyrone    0-19   Tyrone win by 3 points in a high scoring open game

So over 13 years the 2 teams have met 11 times with 2 replays
Tyrone have won 6, Armagh have won 3 with 2 draws. Armagh won both replays.
Prior to 2000, they both met back in 1997 as well with Tyrone winning Tyrone 1-12 to 0-12.

No doubt now that I've highlighted Tyrone's dominance over Armagh over the last decade, I have set us up nicely for them to come back and teach us a lesson in the back door after our Donegal game. ;-)

I don't think we've met Donegal half as many times in the last 12 years but could they be the new force in Ulster for the next decade? With such a deep thinking manager, a great system already devised and bought into by all and of course talented forwards such as McFadden, Murphy and McBrearty, I think the future is no longer "Orange" but yellow.

I don't intend to shit stir with this post but......you did.

And you licked the wooden spoon.

worst attempt of a WUM yet, we all know the shit u dick!!!

I suppose what I was surprised from those stats was that in my head both teams were quite even in matches won up until maybe a few years ago.
Had Tyrone not won in 2008 though then we couldn't have been described as a dominant team in the noughties.

After Tyrone's collapse v Meath in 1996, we really went into the wilderness for a long time.
In that period Armagh had been knocking on the door for a number of years and it wasn't until they got Kernan that they knocked down that door.

Interestingly Club football in Armagh (and Derry) always seems to do very well at provincial and national level but I wonder does this have a negative impact on their county team.

Sorry for the shit stirring lads. I was just curious what others thought of these stats.
Don't worry ye'll get us in round 3 or 4 of qualifiers.

Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Quote from: hardstation on June 23, 2012, 12:54:35 AM
Tyrone club football is strange alright. This last few years Clonoe and Coalisland have won county championships. Neither has anyone starting for the county. In fact, the county setup is very 'west'.

There were a right number of Clonoe fellas brought into the panel a couple of years ago but if I recall correctly they didn't set the world alight. Perhaps getting a go now, with a lot of the old guard having stepped aside, would give them a better chance of making an impact. They are both the major form teams in the county.

Quote from: Armamike on June 23, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Armagh club football is also rubbish. One team and that's it. At least Tyrone club football is competitive

Quote from: everymanaman on June 23, 2012, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: Armamike on June 23, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Armagh club football is also rubbish. One team and that's it. At least Tyrone club football is competitive

Aye, Maghery are motoring well, only bate once so far this season...

Oh you mean Cross, is that the club that cleans up in Ulster and the AI as well....  ::)

Quote from: fitzroyalty on June 23, 2012, 01:44:57 PM

Quote from: everymanaman on June 23, 2012, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: Armamike on June 23, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Armagh club football is also rubbish. One team and that's it. At least Tyrone club football is competitive

Aye, Maghery are motoring well, only bate once so far this season...

Oh you mean Cross, is that the club that cleans up in Ulster and the AI as well....  ::)

I think you're missing the point there. Yes, Rangers are an unbelievably successful club at Ulster and All-Ireland, but it comes at a price of competitative football at county. Only one other club has only the County Championship in the last 13 years (approx) I don't know how the league is though.

Quote from: everymanaman on June 23, 2012, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: Armamike on June 23, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Armagh club football is also rubbish. One team and that's it. At least Tyrone club football is competitive

The rest of Armagh football cannot be rubbished because of how exceptional Crossmaglen are.

Quote from: ziggysego on June 23, 2012, 02:12:52 PM

Quote from: fitzroyalty on June 23, 2012, 01:44:57 PM

Quote from: everymanaman on June 23, 2012, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: Armamike on June 23, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Tyrone club football is rubbish. Their junior teams are competitive i suppose but  out of their depth at senior level.

Armagh club football is also rubbish. One team and that's it. At least Tyrone club football is competitive

Aye, Maghery are motoring well, only bate once so far this season...

Oh you mean Cross, is that the club that cleans up in Ulster and the AI as well....  ::)

I think you're missing the point there. Yes, Rangers are an unbelievably successful club at Ulster and All-Ireland, but it comes at a price of competitative football at county. Only one other club has only the County Championship in the last 13 years (approx) I don't know how the league is though.

What Maddog said. I'm not arguing Cross' success doesn't negatively affect the county team's prospects - there's evidence to suggest it does.

What I'm saying is that Cross could easily hammer a team in an AI semi-final the same way they could hammer someone in an Armagh SFC semi-final, likewise they could be brought to a replay in a first round Armagh SFC match like they could in an AI-final.

Very well put

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 23, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh's club competitions badly distort the overall picture of senior football in the county there, making assumptions that club football in the county must be shite because of them. As I see it, only two clubs in Ulster could put up a reasonable challenge to them, Pearse Og in Armagh and St. Galls in Antrim.

I think the standard of senior club football in Tyrone isn't too bad - not thee best in all of Ireland, but definitely better than Fermanagh, Cavan, Antrim when you take St. Gall's out and probably on a par with Down and Derry at the moment. One of the problems with the senior championship in Tyrone is that it's often a war of attrition within the county and the entertainment value of many high profile games in recent years hasn't been that great. The excuse of the county board having a strong focus on the county setup holds no water IMO - before gaelic football apparently existed in 2003 and back in a time in the 80s and 90s when club football had a much stronger influence in the county, little was made headway by Tyrone's SFC winners other than Errigal Ciaran and a couple of Ulster finalists. As for the county champions seemingly devoid of county players - not that unusual, I remember Carrickmore winning the Tyrone SFC a few years back with no county players either. In recent times this can be explained - Mickey Harte does not necessarily pick the best players in the county overall for the county team, but picks the best players suited to his style of coaching and game play that he wants from his team. Plenty of players over the past decade in Tyrone whom many would say would be county standard have gone through try outs in the McKenna Cup and NFL league games but not make the cut for the championship panel, not necessarily because they are not good players, but their style of play and their adaptability might not be what Harte is after.

I'd disagree I don't think that Harte picks players that "suit" the system, I think he picks the 15 best forwards and 15 best backs in the county. I mean look at Penrose, just because Carrickmore were winning county championships doesn't mean that all their forwards are better than a player who is in a side battling relegation.

There's alot of shite here about the strength of club football.
"Armagh club football is shite" - Three AI club titles says otherwise.
"Tyrone club football is shite" - three AI titles says otherwise (Club sides give you county players, Can club football be shite when it contains such proven quality?)

Both viewpoints can be argued equally so its pointless trying to prove one over the other.

Quote from: Take Your Points on June 23, 2012, 09:02:10 PM

Quote from: trileacman on June 23, 2012, 08:29:18 PM

There's alot of shite here about the strength of club football.
"Armagh club football is shite" - Three AI club titles says otherwise.

You seem be generating your fair share.  If you might want to take a moment to check Crossmaglen's record:

All-Ireland Senior Club Football Championship (6 times):
1997, 1999, 2000, 2007, 2011, 2012

Ulster Senior Club Football Championship (9 times):
1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011

Sorry, didn't know you were marking my work.

The Tyrone senior champions never seem to cut the mustard when they get out of the county. The only team really was the Errigal side but if Canavan had been playing for Dregish they'd have ruled the roost too. I always though Dromore would do well but never materialised.

Armagh senior football always produce good sides capable of winning Ulster. The year before the Crossmaglen revival, Mullaghbawn won Ulster. You also had the great Clann side of the 70s. The 80s was a bit crap for both with only Pearse og or the Island lokking like doing anything. That fine Augher side of McKennas never seemed to count.

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 23, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh's club competitions badly distort the overall picture of senior football in the county there, making assumptions that club football in the county must be shite because of them. As I see it, only two clubs in Ulster could put up a reasonable challenge to them, Pearse Og in Armagh and St. Galls in Antrim.

I think the standard of senior club football in Tyrone isn't too bad - not thee best in all of Ireland, but definitely better than Fermanagh, Cavan, Antrim when you take St. Gall's out and probably on a par with Down and Derry at the moment. One of the problems with the senior championship in Tyrone is that it's often a war of attrition within the county and the entertainment value of many high profile games in recent years hasn't been that great. The excuse of the county board having a strong focus on the county setup holds no water IMO - before gaelic football apparently existed in 2003 and back in a time in the 80s and 90s when club football had a much stronger influence in the county, little was made headway by Tyrone's SFC winners other than Errigal Ciaran and a couple of Ulster finalists. As for the county champions seemingly devoid of county players - not that unusual, I remember Carrickmore winning the Tyrone SFC a few years back with no county players either. In recent times this can be explained - Mickey Harte does not necessarily pick the best players in the county overall for the county team, but picks the best players suited to his style of coaching and game play that he wants from his team. Plenty of players over the past decade in Tyrone whom many would say would be county standard have gone through try outs in the McKenna Cup and NFL league games but not make the cut for the championship panel, not necessarily because they are not good players, but their style of play and their adaptability might not be what Harte is after.

Balls. St Gall's are not capable of challenging Cross. Never have been, never will be.

Just errigal then

Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2012, 09:26:32 PM
The Tyrone senior champions never seem to cut the mustard when they get out of the county. The only team really was the Errigal side but if Canavan had been playing for Dregish they'd have ruled the roost too. I always though Dromore would do well but never materialised.

Armagh senior football always produce good sides capable of winning Ulster. The year before the Crossmaglen revival, Mullaghbawn won Ulster. You also had the great Clann side of the 70s. The 80s was a bit crap for both with only Pearse og or the Island lokking like doing anything. That fine Augher side of McKennas never seemed to count.

Balls. Errigal had plenty of good players in those days. To suggest They were a one man team is rubbish. At one stage Irelands's international rules side used a 2 man FF line and guess what? It was made up of Errigal players. The 2003 AI winning panel had 7 Errigal players on it.

By the way. Cross could never beat us ;D

Plenty of good players and may have won the odd Tyrone title without Peter.

Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
Plenty of good players and may have won the odd Tyrone title without Peter.

Fair enough

Listen no other players in that errigal team would have got the frees that Peter got against smaller clubs that helped that team immeasurably, they haven't won one since and are well down the pack.

Quote from: rrhf on June 24, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Listen no other players in that errigal team would have got the frees that Peter got against smaller clubs that helped that team immeasurably, they haven't won one since and are well down the pack.

Jesus. That is a serious chip.  ;D

U know what I'm talking about, he was crucial in every way and the greatest footballer ever graced a Tyrone club field

Gormley was the difference in 97.  Canavan being reintroduced in the drawn game in Omagh in 2002 was the winning of it that year.  EC were very solid but in Gormley and Canavan had 2 real class acts.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 25, 2012, 07:43:22 AM
Gormley was the difference in 97.  Canavan being reintroduced in the drawn game in Omagh in 2002 was the winning of it that year.  EC were very solid but in Gormley and Canavan had 2 real class acts.

Yea. I remember you guys trying about 5 different markers on Gormley that day but he was un- markable. Then went on to let Dungiven beat us in the final. :-[

Remember I saw Gormley role the ball around his back one time near the endline as his man came in to tackle him.
Is that legal or why don't we see it from more lads?

watched a bit of Monaghan v Down last night (sky+).
Oisin does come across well in that he knows what he's talking about but God is voice is so Fr Stone boring. I see Sean (Cavanagh) is out of the arm sling and was chatting a bit better and it was funny when the started talking about forwards buying a free and Oisin said Canavan was great at that.  :P

Quote from: EC Unique on June 25, 2012, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 25, 2012, 07:43:22 AM
Gormley was the difference in 97.  Canavan being reintroduced in the drawn game in Omagh in 2002 was the winning of it that year.  EC were very solid but in Gormley and Canavan had 2 real class acts.

Yea. I remember you guys trying about 5 different markers on Gormley that day but he was un- markable. Then went on to let Dungiven beat us in the final. :-[

yeah, I reckon you lads thought you had it won when you beat us, the Big Red One had different ideas though!!!

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 25, 2012, 10:07:39 AM

Quote from: EC Unique on June 25, 2012, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 25, 2012, 07:43:22 AM
Gormley was the difference in 97.  Canavan being reintroduced in the drawn game in Omagh in 2002 was the winning of it that year.  EC were very solid but in Gormley and Canavan had 2 real class acts.

Yea. I remember you guys trying about 5 different markers on Gormley that day but he was un- markable. Then went on to let Dungiven beat us in the final. :-[

yeah, I reckon you lads thought you had it won when you beat us, the Big Red One had different ideas though!!!

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Damn sure, sur...I ate them Ballygawley boys for breakfast.

Breakfast, lunch and dinner Sheamy along with a fair few pies as well. :P