Was the other thread locked because this is a foregone conclusion? Or has J70's ongoing attempts to usurp the Mods finally come back to haunt him?
The whole thing was discussed in less than 2 pages, dubs are just waiting for the final thread now
Quote from: StephenC on August 11, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Was the other thread locked because this is a foregone conclusion? Or has J70's ongoing attempts to usurp the Mods finally come back to haunt him?
Because people just started arguing over Finances, populations etc. Perhaps football can be talked about in the new thread and leave the bull to the other 3 or 4 threads of bull.
Il start: two contrasting styles, should be epic viewing. Id say O Carroll will pick up McFadden as Murphy will roam. It will be a close enough game. Dubs wont get it all their own way. Hearing tickets flying out the door. Donegal bring huge support, fair play to them, a good auld distance.
Its rather ironic how things have changed in three years: McGuinness was public enemy no. 1 after the 2011 semi-final! Condemnation from all quarters, he was going to be the death of football! Now, for the past month, everyone is banging on about how Donegal's defensive system might pose a serious test to Dublin for the first time this season (at least they were until the weekend just gone! :P) and how much they're looking forward to seeing how this match-up plays out! Has the remorseless and merciless and seemingly unconquerable, in the medium term, excellence of the Dubs made the press/average GAA supporter that desperate that they're willing to embrace the supposed evil Soviet tactics of Donegal? :)
Yes, most gaa fans would like to see Dublin tested before they reach the All Ireland final, is there something wrong with that ?
What's this talk of finances all about?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 11, 2014, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: StephenC on August 11, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Was the other thread locked because this is a foregone conclusion? Or has J70's ongoing attempts to usurp the Mods finally come back to haunt him?
Because people just started arguing over Finances, populations etc. Perhaps football can be talked about in the new thread and leave the bull to the other 3 or 4 threads of bull.
Il start: two contrasting styles, should be epic viewing. Id say O Carroll will pick up McFadden as Murphy will roam. It will be a close enough game. Dubs wont get it all their own way. Hearing tickets flying out the door. Donegal bring huge support, fair play to them, a good auld distance.
McFadden has actually been very poor so far this year, Donegal will need to get more out of him if they are to have a chance of turning over dublin
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 11, 2014, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: StephenC on August 11, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Was the other thread locked because this is a foregone conclusion? Or has J70's ongoing attempts to usurp the Mods finally come back to haunt him?
Because people just started arguing over Finances, populations etc. Perhaps football can be talked about in the new thread and leave the bull to the other 3 or 4 threads of bull.
Il start: two contrasting styles, should be epic viewing. Id say O Carroll will pick up McFadden as Murphy will roam. It will be a close enough game. Dubs wont get it all their own way. Hearing tickets flying out the door. Donegal bring huge support, fair play to them, a good auld distance.
Amen to that.
Had a great session with Donegal fans on Sunday, good lads.
On the game itself. Going to be tight. Best thing for Donegal is they have not peaked . Never been more than efficient in getting the job done. So they still have that one big game in them. Dublin not been tested but they have played at a very high intensity from the go. Trick of course is to produce that every game but the competition for places keeps the team fresh and focussed. I see a cat and mouse first half with Dublin having to show a lot of patience. Hopefully they have the winning of the game in the 50-70 min period. Not going to be a one sided affair but Dublin should have enough to make the final.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 12, 2014, 06:29:23 AM
What's this talk of finances all about?
I think it's to do with the foreign training camp Donegal had. How can the rest of us compete with that?
Watching the Dublin vs Monaghan game at the weekend was so disheartening, and I do fear for Donegal in this game.
Donegal have an edge on Monaghan in terms of natural talent, and probably an edge too in terms of physique and athleticism: so they should get a little closer to Dublin than the Farney men did.
The problem Donegal face, which is the same as what Monaghan faced on Saturday, is that if the Dubs push 3 or 4 points ahead, how long do they wait before coming out of their cage?
Monaghan if truth be told, didn't so much come out fighting as go and die in a heap in front of their own goal, but I'm guessing that their players saw what happened when they opened up even a tad, and really just weren't prepared to see what happened if they opened up any more. They were never going to have the scoring power needed to reel Dublin back in, and they knew it. So they gave up early.
Donegal have a similar issue. For all of their now legendary attitude, work ethic, and willingness to play their system, if it wasn't for the outstanding brilliance of Michael Murphy, they simply wouldn't have the silverware to reward such efforts. They're not a one-man team, but their ability to hit the highest peaks is entirely related to that one man.
So if Dublin push ahead by 3-4 points, and at the same time manage to marginalise Murphy's contribution, then what do Donegal do? I'm not sure. But capitulation seems to be the normal response from teams in this situation.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
Watching the Dublin vs Monaghan game at the weekend was so disheartening, and I do fear for Donegal in this game.
+1.
Dublin by at least 7 points and every chance it could go to double that.
I think Dublin at 1/10 is just about right.
The Dubs were excellent at defending from the front and any team will find it hard to play out of their own half.
If the kick outs go long, it just resembles a calvary charge once the Dubs get their hands on the ball.
KO in round 4.
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 12, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
Yes, most gaa fans would like to see Dublin tested before they reach the All Ireland final, is there something wrong with that ?
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it.
I said it was "ironic", given the completely over the top reaction to the 2011 semi-final.
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He can't have done his hamstring too badly if he played on. Must have just been a tweak. A full tear and he'd have been gone.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
He can't have done his hamstring too badly if he played on. Must have just been a tweak. A full tear and he'd have been gone.
I think "nick" was the word I saw used. Played on given the occasion, but they're not sure about him at this point.
Quote from: heffo on August 12, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 12, 2014, 06:29:23 AM
What's this talk of finances all about?
I think it's to do with the foreign training camp Donegal had. How can the rest of us compete with that?
It's to do with the millions Dublin have spent on a yoga centre of excellence.
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
You can bet your house he'll be 100% for the Dublin game
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/08/12/surprise-as-mchugh-returns-early-from-new-york/
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
I hope you are right that he will play, but it is not exactly unheard of for someone to play through a hamstring injury, albeit obviously not a major tear.
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
In fairness McGuinness and co tried this bull last year with McHugh (and the hole in his muscle the size of a small country). (T)He(y) tried to label Mayo as Conspirators with Monaghan. He called us a cynical team. He played the world is against us card and the whole thing back fired emphatically. I doubt some how he will go to far down that road again.
Jim Gavin is too smart to fall for this rubbish. He doesn't even bother with any of these "mind games". Picks his team does his obligitary press conference and goes out to play the game. Pity McGuinness can't do the same. Will he be confiscating the player's phones for the next 3 weeks so no reporter can ask about the "alledged injury" :-X
Has Joe McQuillan got this game? (unbelievable)
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2014, 08:48:50 PM
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
In fairness McGuinness and co tried this bull last year with McHugh (and the hole in his muscle the size of a small country). (T)He(y) tried to label Mayo as Conspirators with Monaghan. He called us a cynical team. He played the world is against us card and the whole thing back fired emphatically. I doubt some how he will go to far down that road again.
I agree that it backfired but Donegal weren't such huge underdogs last year against Mayo and their aura had slipped after Monaghan beat them into submission. After that defeat they looked demoralised, as though the 2seasons on the road had taken a huge mental and physical toll on them. This time I think it will be different. To have any chance they need to engage Dublin physically, turn it into a dogfight and break Dublins resolve. Without playing at the manic intensity they displayed in 2011/12 they have no chance. McGuinness is qualified enough in psychology to know how to hit the right buttons and if he hadn't engaged in psychological warfare before the Mayo game last year then they still would have got pummelled anyway. It's what he knows best and as a neutral I'm looking forward to it.
Fucks sake lads, you think McGuinness really thinks Dublin will be building their plans around whether ONE Donegal player is fit or not? "I know lads, let's pretend Karl Lacey has a hamstring twinge. That'll throw a spanner in the Dublin works!"
Cop yourselves on.
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
f**ks sake lads, you think McGuinness really thinks Dublin will be building their plans around whether ONE Donegal player is fit or not? "I know lads, let's pretend Karl Lacey has a hamstring twinge. That'll throw a spanner in the Dublin works!"
Cop yourselves on.
LOL, i agree. There is far more thought goes into the mind games on the forums than actually goes on with the real people, they usually just put the head down and prepare their team to the best of their ability .
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2014, 08:48:50 PMHe called us a cynical team.
McGuinness was right about that to be fair.
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
In fairness McGuinness and co tried this bull last year with McHugh (and the hole in his muscle the size of a small country). (T)He(y) tried to label Mayo as Conspirators with Monaghan. He called us a cynical team. He played the world is against us card and the whole thing back fired emphatically. I doubt some how he will go to far down that road again.
I agree that it backfired but Donegal weren't such huge underdogs last year against Mayo and their aura had slipped after Monaghan beat them into submission. After that defeat they looked demoralised, as though the 2seasons on the road had taken a huge mental and physical toll on them. This time I think it will be different. To have any chance they need to engage Dublin physically, turn it into a dogfight and break Dublins resolve. Without playing at the manic intensity they displayed in 2011/12 they have no chance. McGuinness is qualified enough in psychology to know how to hit the right buttons and if he hadn't engaged in psychological warfare before the Mayo game last year then they still would have got pummelled anyway. It's what he knows best and as a neutral I'm looking forward to it.
I'd say there is zero chance of a Dublin being in anyway affected by any 'mind games' and it having any effect on the outcome of the game.
It's hardly a surprise that McGuinness will 'do anything' to win a game to anyone who has witnessed him in his managerial career to date either
Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
Has Joe McQuillan got this game? (unbelievable)
Yes, the boul' Joe has indeed got this game.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 12, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
Has Joe McQuillan got this game? (unbelievable)
Yes, the boul' Joe has indeed got this game.
I'd say the Dubs will be more than happy with this appointment. He is to the Dubs what Howard Webb was to Man Utd. More psychological ammunition for McGuinness.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2014, 09:02:04 PM
Jim Gavin is too smart to fall for this rubbish. He doesn't even bother with any of these "mind games". Picks his team does his obligitary press conference and goes out to play the game. Pity McGuinness can't do the same. Will he be confiscating the player's phones for the next 3 weeks so no reporter can ask about the "alledged injury" :-X
I would go back to taking the paranoia tablets if I were you. The thought that McGuinness would reckon that Gavin would be spooked by this is laughable.
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Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
How, in the name of God, is Devenny predicting a Donegal win "mudslinging"? Does the same apply to anyone predicting a Dublin win?
Give me strength. It is going to be a long couple of weeks............
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Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
In fairness McGuinness and co tried this bull last year with McHugh (and the hole in his muscle the size of a small country). (T)He(y) tried to label Mayo as Conspirators with Monaghan. He called us a cynical team. He played the world is against us card and the whole thing back fired emphatically. I doubt some how he will go to far down that road again.
I agree that it backfired but Donegal weren't such huge underdogs last year against Mayo and their aura had slipped after Monaghan beat them into submission. After that defeat they looked demoralised, as though the 2seasons on the road had taken a huge mental and physical toll on them. This time I think it will be different. To have any chance they need to engage Dublin physically, turn it into a dogfight and break Dublins resolve. Without playing at the manic intensity they displayed in 2011/12 they have no chance. McGuinness is qualified enough in psychology to know how to hit the right buttons and if he hadn't engaged in psychological warfare before the Mayo game last year then they still would have got pummelled anyway. It's what he knows best and as a neutral I'm looking forward to it.
I'd say there is zero chance of a Dublin being in anyway affected by any 'mind games' and it having any effect on the outcome of the game.
It's hardly a surprise that McGuinness will 'do anything' to win a game to anyone who has witnessed him in his managerial career to date either
What does that even mean?
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Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
How, in the name of God, is Devenny predicting a Donegal win "mudslinging"? Does the same apply to anyone predicting a Dublin win?
Give me strength. It is going to be a long couple of weeks............
Apparently answering a journalist's question is "mudslinging".
Why do Donegal tell the world that Karl Lacey is injured?, they tell us this before every big game, then guess what he plays. Becoming quite boring now!
He hasn't been properly fit in about 2 years though which has been a large factor in why Donegal aren't as strong as they were.
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Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
How, in the name of God, is Devenny predicting a Donegal win "mudslinging"? Does the same apply to anyone predicting a Dublin win?
Give me strength. It is going to be a long couple of weeks............
Mud slinging is probably the wrong phrase in this instance but the point is that this match up has been the focus of Donegal's attention since they won the AI title in 2012. It has probably come a year later than they would have hoped but they have arrived at the point where they have the opportunity to get revenge for the defeat to Dublin in 2011 and the unpunished bite on McBrearty in the League campaign of last year. Donegal have lost 3 championship games under McGuinness and if they win the AI they could well have avenged each of those 3 defeats.
I also think that Dublin supporters are over estimating the level of neutral support they have for this one. Every small county that has to fight for resources and make do with a fraction of the level of support that they have will be rooting for Donegal. Its a David v Goliath clash and it will give a bit of hope to every other county if Dublin can be toppled by Donegal. Yes, Dublin play more attacking football but this sanctimonious bullshit that they play football in the proper manner is totally exaggerated. If you need any proof watch the last 10 minutes of last years AI final and plenty of other big games they have been involved in the last few years. They have the resources and population to play in a more attacking manner than most and their sheer strength of numbers has allowed them to replace injured players with replacements who are equally as good (Kilkenny is barely even mentioned now). Donegal play the way they do (which I am not a fan of) because it is the only way they have a chance of winning. They simply do not have the resources, strength in depth or quality of player that Dublin do. Same applies for every other county as well to varying extents. If there is any manager I'd trust in this situation to maximise his resources and convince his players that his plan will see them to victory then its Jim McGuinness.
QuoteIf McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals the greatest manager
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2014, 10:38:25 AM
I also think that Dublin supporters are over estimating the level of neutral support they have for this one. Every small county that has to fight for resources and make do with a fraction of the level of support that they have will be rooting for Donegal. Its a David v Goliath clash and it will give a bit of hope to every other county if Dublin can be toppled by Donegal. Yes, Dublin play more attacking football but this sanctimonious bullshit that they play football in the proper manner is totally exaggerated. If you need any proof watch the last 10 minutes of last years AI final and plenty of other big games they have been involved in the last few years. They have the resources and population to play in a more attacking manner than most and their sheer strength of numbers has allowed them to replace injured players with replacements who are equally as good (Kilkenny is barely even mentioned now). Donegal play the way they do (which I am not a fan of) because it is the only way they have a chance of winning. They simply do not have the resources, strength in depth or quality of player that Dublin do.
Excellent sensible post.
Just to be clear
We don't seek not require any support from any other county yellow card. I certainly wouldn't want your support. You can stick it up your arse as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 03:27:33 PM
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What's this talk of finances all about?
I think it's to do with the foreign training camp Donegal had. How can the rest of us compete with that?
It's to do with the millions Dublin have spent on a yoga centre of excellence.
Not to mention the 10 million euros Tyrone spent on theirs.
maybe best for the Dubs to enjoy this trip rather than bite at every post you are not happy with
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
I commented on Lacey trailing a leg in the run up to half time, he was definitely carrying an injury and I was surprised to see him return in the second half.
Unless Jim told him to play injured to mind**** Jim Gavin and those pesky dubs in the semi final!! ::)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
yellow card. I certainly wouldn't want your support. You can stick it up your arse as far as I'm concerned.
What a nasty little mainÃn you are :o
I don't think we'll be has bad as against Armagh (well hopefully anyway) .
We've been playing blankets ourselves all summer and although our back & half-back line wont relish getting relentlessly pressured as soon as they bring the ball out (like Dublin did to Monaghan), I do think. for eg McBrearty or Mcloone might enjoy the fact that there probably won't be a static wall in front of them on the counter attack either.
We're in desperate need of pace in midfield so. I can't really see big Neil and Rory on the pitch at the same time.
McFadden needs quick support from the likes of Toye & McHugh or there's no chance of a fortune reversal there.
On the subject of Dublin's short Kickouts ... Yea I think we should conceed them. I don't think we're gonna get much joy from Cluxton in that department.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2014, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
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Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 12, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
Apparently Lacey did his hamstring early in the Armagh game and is possibly a doubt for the semi. Thought he was less dominant than usual against Armagh, but hopefully he makes it back to full fitness. We are up against it either way, but we can't afford to be without him!
He has 3 weeks to be fit & I'd say he'll be fine.
Some man to play 70 mins against Armagh with a dodgy hamstring though. Hate to think where we would be if he had done real damage.
If he had done his hamstring early in the game, he would have had to come off or be carried off at some stage. Don't believe a word of mcguinness. Next rumour will be Michael Murphy gets hurt in training, making him a doubt, but against the odds both will start the game against Dublin and finish it as well (unless they pick up an actual injury in the game) and this mysterious knocks will be forgotten
This is exactly why you've gotta love McGuinness. Clearly a load of bull about Lacey, impossible to play 70 mins with hamstring trouble if it happened early in the game. I'd expect McGuinness to engage in serious mind games in the lead up to this game. The build up will involve mud slinging, it even started before the quarter final with Devenney predicting a Donegal win over Dublin. McGuinness is not afraid to do whatever it takes to win this game, no matter what anyone thinks. I'd expect a fiercely physical encounter with Donegal ready for war. If McGuinness pulls off a win he will go down as Donegals greatest manager and deserves to be put up there with Boylan and Harte.
How, in the name of God, is Devenny predicting a Donegal win "mudslinging"? Does the same apply to anyone predicting a Dublin win?
Give me strength. It is going to be a long couple of weeks............
Mud slinging is probably the wrong phrase in this instance but the point is that this match up has been the focus of Donegal's attention since they won the AI title in 2012. It has probably come a year later than they would have hoped but they have arrived at the point where they have the opportunity to get revenge for the defeat to Dublin in 2011 and the unpunished bite on McBrearty in the League campaign of last year. Donegal have lost 3 championship games under McGuinness and if they win the AI they could well have avenged each of those 3 defeats.
I also think that Dublin supporters are over estimating the level of neutral support they have for this one. Every small county that has to fight for resources and make do with a fraction of the level of support that they have will be rooting for Donegal. Its a David v Goliath clash and it will give a bit of hope to every other county if Dublin can be toppled by Donegal. Yes, Dublin play more attacking football but this sanctimonious bullshit that they play football in the proper manner is totally exaggerated. If you need any proof watch the last 10 minutes of last years AI final and plenty of other big games they have been involved in the last few years. They have the resources and population to play in a more attacking manner than most and their sheer strength of numbers has allowed them to replace injured players with replacements who are equally as good (Kilkenny is barely even mentioned now). Donegal play the way they do (which I am not a fan of) because it is the only way they have a chance of winning. They simply do not have the resources, strength in depth or quality of player that Dublin do. Same applies for every other county as well to varying extents. If there is any manager I'd trust in this situation to maximise his resources and convince his players that his plan will see them to victory then its Jim McGuinness.
In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 13, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
Why do Donegal tell the world that Karl Lacey is injured?, they tell us this before every big game, then guess what he plays. Becoming quite boring now!
As one of Donegal's key players, an injury to Lacey would have a huge bearing on the game & is news.
As for telling the world, wow, I didn't think the state of Lacey's health was big news in Guatemala, Zaire & Mongolia!! The Sky deal is really motoring.
As for talking about injuries before big games that is all part & parcel of journalism. Anything that can be printed will be. We were all giving Armagh grief for not talking to the press & now we have complaints that Donegal are talking to the media.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Quote from: Canalman on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
That's a pretty comprehensive dismissal of Zulu.
A lot of people don't like the way Donegal play so there will be a reasonable few neutrals wanting you to win.
Secretly I also think dont matter wants you to win as if you don't then it'll weaken his argument about the money.
Quote from: Canalman on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
Siege mentalities are all the rage this summer
Truth be told, I don't think anyone in either Donegal or Dublin gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks.
We are both used to being unpopular by now & put it down to begrudgery from people who are secretly jealous.
Lacey may well be injured (although I certainly wouldn't listen to Pinocio McGuinness) but if he played an All Ireland quarter final with a pulled hamstring then that in itself is the greatest miracle in GAA.
McGuinness is at it again if you ask me. He does it every year. Last year he was on about Mayos sports psychologist telling Horan what to say and that Mayo were in cahoots with other teams. That all fairly backfired on Jimmy.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that what you claim is true, CK, how did it backfire? Donegal were getting a hiding from Mayo in that game no matter what. The writing was on the wall as early as the Down game, when a McFadden tour de force (his last good game) pulled us through.
In fairness I think it was Rory Gallagher who was doing all the mouthing before the Mayo game and McGuinness was fairly annoyed with him.Probably was a factor in Gallagher not being part of the set up this year
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 13, 2014, 12:52:48 PM
Truth be told, I don't think anyone in either Donegal or Dublin gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks.
We are both used to being unpopular by now & put it down to begrudgery from people who are secretly jealous.
that's a big negatory
Quote from: ballinaman on August 13, 2014, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
Siege mentalities are all the rage this summer
Back in the olden days, when a town was actually besieged, I wonder if the Duke or whatever ever turned around to his minions and said, "D'ya know what lads, this is really going to pull everyone together", as boulders and flaming arrows rained down around him.
Surely a more accurate representation of the siege mentality would involve hiding under a sturdy table with your hands over your ears.
Does anyone really, truly believe in this "mind games" shit anyway, especially when it's media quotes? "Did you hear what thon boy said?? Get out there and show them!!!" It might get a war cry going, but deep down everyone (or at least anyone with even close to an average IQ) knows it's vacuous bollocks and not really an effective motivator.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 13, 2014, 12:46:54 PM
A lot of people don't like the way Donegal play so there will be a reasonable few neutrals wanting you to win.
Secretly I also think dont matter wants you to win as if you don't then it'll weaken his argument about the money.
There isn't going to be much neutral support in the stadium, especially with the minor pairing being the same. Dublin and Donegal will comfortably pack the stadium out by themselves for this one, with three-quarters of that being Dublin support.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 13, 2014, 12:46:54 PM
A lot of people don't like the way Donegal play so there will be a reasonable few neutrals wanting you to win.
Secretly I also think dont matter wants you to win as if you don't then it'll weaken his argument about the money.
There isn't going to be much neutral support in the stadium, especially with the minor pairing being the same. Dublin and Donegal will comfortably pack the stadium out by themselves for this one, with three-quarters of that being Dublin support.
I'm not sure it will be as big as 75/25 , nearer 60/40 .
I hope the men from the hills take up a good section of the hill.
We can moan all day about Dublin advantages, like we do as a nation about our elected reps but some stuff is on your own hands too. Go in massive numbers and roar your county on. (we let our county down last year, we were too quiet)
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 13, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
That's a pretty comprehensive dismissal of Zulu.
I'll have a gang of non-Dubs there supporting the Dubs so you'll have few neutrals anyway.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 13, 2014, 12:52:48 PM
Truth be told, I don't think anyone in either Donegal or Dublin gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks.
We are both used to being unpopular by now & put it down to begrudgery from people who are secretly jealous.
You can put it down to that if you want but that isn't the reason anybody would shout against the current Donegal team.
Quote from: Zulu on August 13, 2014, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 13, 2014, 12:52:48 PM
Truth be told, I don't think anyone in either Donegal or Dublin gives a rat's ass what anyone thinks.
We are both used to being unpopular by now & put it down to begrudgery from people who are secretly jealous.
You can put it down to that if you want but that isn't the reason anybody would shout against the current Donegal team.
So what do you want to see Zulu?
Teams going man for man, keeping six up the field at all times, against Dublin?
J70, of course Donegal or any other team can play as they want and if I was a Donegal man I would probably want us to set up in a way that gives us the best chance to win. I can fully appreciate why Donegal folk are not bothered by the way you play but surely you can accept that neutrals might prefer to see football played as Dublin do? I'm sure you'd agree you'd prefer Donegal to be able to play as Dublin do and win titles, we all would I think. Donegal have their All Ireland, so I want to see a county like Mayo win it as they haven't won any recently. If they don't, I want to see the team that plays the best football and that is Dublin.
I don't think it will be a great day for football as a sport if Donegal set up ultra defensively and beat Dublin, it will only encourage others to believe that the way to win is not through skill development and attacking inventiveness but by filling up the scoring zone with bodies, draw your opponent in and break into the space behind them. The thing is though, others have cottoned on to that and when a team sets up ultra defensively the other team does too so what we end up with is a pass the parcel game between the two 45's.
Football is my game, I've little interest in soccer, rugby etc. and I want to see skill rather than sweat be the deciding factor in winning titles. For all the nonsense spouted here about Dublin, other counties can develop footballers as good and as athletic as most of Dublin's and if we spent less time coaching systems (I came up against a sweeper system at U12) and more time on the skills then we'd have some sport. I can't wait for Donegal against Dublin but if it was Dublin against a team that could play like they do as well as they do then I wouldn't be able to sleep until the 31st with anticipation.
Enjoy it as a Donegal man but please don't take offence if a neutral is supporting the more attractive football team.
I'm not offended. And this is not aimed at you, but on the one hand we hear everyone say it is suicide to line up conventionally against Dublin, yet everyone whinges about blanket defense. I do object, however to your dismissal of the skill and "attacking inventiveness" required to play the way Donegal do. They don't always get it right and they tend to play conservatively, especially in the first half, but this Donegal team has played some superb attacking football, especially in the AI winning season. Just because it's on the fast break doesn't mean it lacks skill or inventiveness. And as for your maintaining that the blanket defense forces the opposition into doing the same, we will see if Dublin do that. But you are correct - I get much more enjoyment out of watching Donegal under McGuinness than I did under the futile conventional tactics of his predecessors. Maybe it's an Ulster thing, but I enjoy the intensity, seeing the opposition shut down as well as seeing Donegal knock over points.
Fair enough but I didn't say, or at least I didn't mean to imply Donegal lack skill, all inter county teams play with a decent level of skill. The point I was making is Dublin are Brazil 1982 (but more successful) while Donegal are a very defensive Italy. Both might be great teams but only one plays a beautiful version of the sport that everyone can enjoy.
Dublin won't mirror Donegal which is exactly why I want them to win but they won't be naive either and will get bodies back to defend when necessary but they won't have one or two up and they wouldn't play a sweeper if an opponent went out and played 15 v 15.
I firmly believe we (Irish people) have never made football the sport it can be. 'Don't mind your fancy stuff' or 'bend you shagging back' was the stock advice from many an underage coach. Dublin are changing that and if they are successful they might encourage more to express themselves rather than inhibit the opposition as a starting point.
If you're enjoying Donegal football then fair enough but while I love hard intense football, the Dubs do that but with an attacking outlook and if I'm going to jump on a bandwagon it's the Dub and Mayo ones I'm getting on.
Oh no, I was not implying the Dubs lack intensity, but that pre - McGuinness Donegal often did. Anyone from Donegal who suffered though Omagh 2007 (Monaghan), Croke Park 2009 (Cork) and Crossmaglen 2010 can testify to that, for starters. And also, certain games lauded for their attacking football often leave me cold, as there's lots of scores but barely a hand laid on a forward.
I think one of the biggest differences is that Dublin, and in particular Mayo, defend very high up the pitch. They don't concede 70 metres like Donegal did in 2011 and like many counties seem to now. All three counties defend from 1 - 15. It is just that the blanket teams retreat as soon as they lose the ball while Dublin and Mayo rarely retreat and challenge the first man to take the ball near a tackler, even if that is a corner back.
This strategy yielded a lot of goals for Mayo last year and Dublin are also very quick to score from turnovers made high up the pitch. Witness the last minute goal against Mayo in the League this year.
All three are difficult to play against, so no county manager would be bothered about how it looks. The question is are your forwards good enough to tackle Dublin, Mayo, Kerry or Donegal backs close to their own goal? Or do you not trust the forwards to tackle them there and flood 12/13 players back to create a logjam inside your own 45m line?
I think the difference is actually quite small, but it does make the game look completely different.
To be honest Mayo have been anything but difficult to play against this year. It's been a rock 'em sock 'em match in almost all of Mayo's games this year.
One of the great unsolved questions is why Mayo's defence that was easily the best in the country 12 months ago now looks so porous and, frankly, feeble. It's still loaded with some of the best defenders in the game and they're hardly over the hill either.
The black card must have played a part but this level of decline in performance can't be simply from that alone.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 11:11:11 AM
yellow card. I certainly wouldn't want your support. You can stick it up your arse as far as I'm concerned.
What a nasty little mainÃn you are :o
Very reasonable individual who has answered all the barbs put forward in a coherent and educated manner. Unfortunately some of the small man's syndrome is alive and well in other parts of Ireland.
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
It's the only way they can win. Of course, its entirely possible that they just can't win.
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 13, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
It's the only way they can win. Of course, its entirely possible that they just can't win.
Not a hope. They couldn't keep Dublin out in 2011 with a man extra for last 15 minutes of the 70mins. They aren't going to do it 3 years later.
To win they have to gamble early on and get ahead and then try and lock it up as they do in Ulster.
''To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system.''
Jame o Donoghue is on 82% last two games. Kerry has sam in the bag.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 13, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
''To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system.''
Jame o Donoghue is on 82% last two games. Kerry has sam in the bag.
Have a few Kerry jerseys at home Larry- little bit old now but I'll send one up to you if Dublin and Kerry progress.
Think Donegal were shooting above 50% prior to the Armagh game. Horrible shot selection and an off - form McFadden drove it down against Armagh. Of course, Dublin will pressure us like Armagh did, and we will find it difficult to create a lot of chances.
I think we could use a first half goal or two! As Indiana says, this is a game I think we can only win from in front.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
Do you actually think there is ANY way they can win. If so do you actually believe they have a better chance if they committ more bodies forward? The chances of a Donegal win are slim but the only chance of them winning are to repeat the tactics of 2011 imo.
Saying as you believe that if they concede short kick outs they will lose then conversely do you believe they can win if they push up and force Cluxton to kick long? You more or less seem to be suggesting that Donegal basically play 15 v 15 man to man football and engage in a shoot out with Dublin. If they do that they have absolutely no chance and could be on the end of a 15-20 point defeat.
They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
There is absolutely no chace of any description that Donegal will risk leaving themselves exposed at the back.
Where they will take encouragement is in the fact that it took Dublin nearly 25 minutes to get their first score from play against Monaghan.
Donegal will reckon that they have a better defence than Monaghan & will have had far more time to prepare. This is the game that McGuinness had targetted from early on & they should be ready.
No, I think Donegal will believe in their system of playing & try to improve on those areas which were poor against Armagh. They will need a big game from McFadden, better kick outs from Durkan, & better choices when it comes to shooting.
Add in a tatical surprise or two from the meister & it might well yet be an interesting day.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2014, 03:06:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 13, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
Do you actually think there is ANY way they can win. If so do you actually believe they have a better chance if they committ more bodies forward? The chances of a Donegal win are slim but the only chance of them winning are to repeat the tactics of 2011 imo.
Saying as you believe that if they concede short kick outs they will lose then conversely do you believe they can win if they push up and force Cluxton to kick long? You more or less seem to be suggesting that Donegal basically play 15 v 15 man to man football and engage in a shoot out with Dublin. If they do that they have absolutely no chance and could be on the end of a 15-20 point defeat.
Dublin wore them down in 2011. They will wear them down again withy a far more athletic team this time round with a few Sherman tanks on the bench. Donegal aren't as athletic as 2012 now.
If donegal don't get ahead early on they will lose in my opinion. Look at how mayo nearly beat Dublin last year. That's the template.
Donegal don't have what Mayo have. Hence why I think they will lose.
They wore them down once Karl Lacey went off though. I always believed that had a massive bearing on the game.
Maybe they'd have won anyway but that made it a lot easier. That's part of what makes me laugh about all this dublin superteam nonsense etc. If Karl Lacey had stayed on or if one or two things in the final they'd have one AI and this dominance wouldn't be talked about. 2011 it was to the wire that they won. Last year no so much and this year probably not too.
If Donegal go behind they're buggered. Monaghan would have made a better fist of it but for those goals but were always on a hiding to nothing. Donegal always just do enough to win and if anyone were to beat dublin you'd think they'd need to build up as sizeable a lead as possible as dublin hit bursts, particularly late on, where they just pound teams.
How Dublin handle the likes of Frank McGlynn will be interesting. They will more than likely just work with putting boys like him on the back foot I suspect.
does anyone really think this match will be close?
Dublin by the usual bagful. Sitting in a semi-final and no team has got to within 15+ points or something crazy. Class to watch, but it will get very boring with only 1 team in with a realistic chance of the winning the hooering thing. Every conversation Ive had with anyone about this years championship regarding any teams progression, or lack of, always ends with...'sure it doesnt really matter as Dublin will ultimately walk it' or something similar with a few cuss words thrown in
Also, dont be surprised to see one of the McGee brothers being brought to book early for their usual off the ball cr4p (which mind-blowingly usually goes unnoticed)to protect the Dublin forwards
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In fairness I can't see any neutral support for us whatsoever. Faic/nada/ zero .......
That's a pretty comprehensive dismissal of Zulu.
I'll have a gang of non-Dubs there supporting the Dubs so you'll have few neutrals anyway.
Scots don't count.
I'm not a Scot, though I can't speak for the nationality of anyone else going. ;D
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More mind games from McGuinness - apparently Lacey is recovering and will be back in training this week and he will likely have a full squad available!
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
More mind games from McGuinness - apparently Lacey is recovering and will be back in training this week and he will likely have a full squad available!
When did Kevin Cassidy come back? Awful big of Jimmy to let by-gones be by-gones.
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
More mind games from McGuinness - apparently Lacey is recovering and will be back in training this week and he will likely have a full squad available!
Sneaky mind bending hoor.
Quote from: J70 on August 18, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
More mind games from McGuinness - apparently Lacey is recovering and will be back in training this week and he will likely have a full squad available!
I wonder who he is playing mind games with, as I'm sure Dublin will pay little remarks to who is or isn't playing, what is said in the press or what will be thrown at them.
Dublin always seem to me to be in a position where they have 100% faith and confidence in themselves and their own ability and will stick to that. Do they even line out any different from their designated positions?
I think that's sarcasm Bingo. But you can never be sure with these mind gamers from the hills of Donegal. Feckers.
Anyone accusing other people of playing mind games is just playing mind games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 18, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
I think that's sarcasm Bingo. But you can never be sure with these mind gamers from the hills of Donegal. Feckers.
Hard to spot it round here these days ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on August 18, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Anyone accusing other people of playing mind games is just playing mind games.
And probably a hater as well.
guys, not wanting to go over old ground etc, just out of interest, how many of the Dublin squad are in full time employment? (not inc coaching roles many seem to have) i.e..how many out of the 30 odd get up in the morning and head out and do a 9-5?
Quote from: J OGorman on August 19, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
guys, not wanting to go over old ground etc, just out of interest, how many of the Dublin squad are in full time employment? (not inc coaching roles many seem to have) i.e..how many out of the 30 odd get up in the morning and head out and do a 9-5?
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football ...................................player profiles etc, would you believe some work, are married and have children, and a couple run their own businesses :o
Is Conor Mort still doing a thesis in DCU btw ?
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Quote from: J OGorman on August 19, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
guys, not wanting to go over old ground etc, just out of interest, how many of the Dublin squad are in full time employment? (not inc coaching roles many seem to have) i.e..how many out of the 30 odd get up in the morning and head out and do a 9-5?
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football ...................................player profiles etc, would you believe some work, are married and have children, and a couple run their own businesses :o
Is Conor Mort still doing a thesis in DCU btw ?
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Quote from: J OGorman on August 19, 2014, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 19, 2014, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 19, 2014, 03:58:30 PM
guys, not wanting to go over old ground etc, just out of interest, how many of the Dublin squad are in full time employment? (not inc coaching roles many seem to have) i.e..how many out of the 30 odd get up in the morning and head out and do a 9-5?
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football ...................................player profiles etc, would you believe some work, are married and have children, and a couple run their own businesses :o
Is Conor Mort still doing a thesis in DCU btw ?
cheers
yip, same class as Jim :-)
In fairness when the money is there, it would be silly for Inter county players to be involved in full time work. Especially from April to September.
From what I gather very few of the Dublin team have 9-5 jobs and I'd say it would be impossible for them to combine this with the demands of an inter county career. I'd say it's not much different though to a lot of the other top counties. Most GAA county footballers are students, teachers, sales reps or have jobs with some sort of flexi hours. I'd bet very few of them work 40 hour weeks and most of them structure their jobs around their football. The biggest difference in Dublin is that the potential for rewards are much greater. I think most of them are driving sponsored cars for a start. If the perks are being given to them, then they are perfectly entitled to avail of them.
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
A few of the Tipp lads at least drive sponsored skodas. Don't see the problem with that.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2014, 08:25:28 PM
From what I gather very few of the Dublin team have 9-5 jobs and I'd say it would be impossible for them to combine this with the demands of an inter county career. I'd say it's not much different though to a lot of the other top counties. Most GAA county footballers are students, teachers, sales reps or have jobs with some sort of flexi hours. I'd bet very few of them work 40 hour weeks and most of them structure their jobs around their football. The biggest difference in Dublin is that the potential for rewards are much greater. I think most of them are driving sponsored cars for a start. If the perks are being given to them, then they are perfectly entitled to avail of them.
If you think lads in Armagh and Tyrone in the 2000's drove their own cars- you must have been out of the country.
There are about 5% of inter county footballers in total with full time jobs.
Its why so many have problems when they retire with gambling and booze because we demand professional standards and then when the lights go out- they have no life outside the GAA.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
Yeah, I heard that. Loads of Makey up Jobs with Banks and local development schemes. But sure that's the new way. You can't begrudge them and I doubt any of them made a fortune out of it. Just enough to keep them ticking along?
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 10:15:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite their professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 10:26:12 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
Sure rugby was the same in this country back in the amateur days.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
Sure rugby was the same in this country back in the amateur days.
In its rocks it was. A former Irish international in the early 90's who I now work with detailed his itinery to me in an international week and it involved one serious night on the piss early in the week. He reckons GAA players now are twenty times fitter then they were.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 10:15:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
Semi professional? It's already happening with the Dublin and to a lesser degree the other larger counties. The Minnows will get smaller? Is there a word for smaller than Minnow? Extinct?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:47:54 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2014, 10:15:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
Semi professional? It's already happening with the Dublin and to a lesser degree the other larger counties. The Minnows will get smaller? Is there a word for smaller than Minnow? Extinct?
What do you mean a lesser degree with other counties.
You obviously know nothing about how Armagh and Tyrone trained in the 2000's. they started it.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
Sure rugby was the same in this country back in the amateur days.
In its rocks it was. A former Irish international in the early 90's who I now work with detailed his itinery to me in an international week and it involved one serious night on the piss early in the week. He reckons GAA players now are twenty times fitter then they were.
I meant insofar as there was a 'jobs for the boys' mentality where players were looked after with cushy jobs that didn't get in the way of their rugby.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:51:37 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
Semi professional? It's already happening with the Dublin and to a lesser degree the other larger counties. The Minnows will get smaller? Is there a word for smaller than Minnow? Extinct?
What do you mean a lesser degree with other counties.
You obviously know nothing about how Armagh and Tyrone trained in the 2000's. they started it.
I mean Dublin are the really Big fish! There will be other big fish who will survive and keep up. These counties will make a big push now and again, but financially will not be able to sustain for long periods due the financial pressure. Then there will be counties that will drift along and probably deteriorate.
It's coming.......In fact it's already here!
Dublin can't be described as professional but their as close as it gets as their jobs would never be allowed to get in the way of their training regime or commitments to Dublin GAA. Did they not all get the full month off work to prepare for the 2011 AI final?
The tyrone players all had full time jobs in the 2000s. For the first 2 all Ireland's they trained together 1 night a week collectively for a large part of the year and a day at the weekend, that was stepped up to 2 nights before championship. They were expected to train most days on their own but that would be less demanding on time.
I'm sure the majority had flexible employers but they were doing full time jobs for the all the all Ireland's. The training was a bit more intense in 08 with more collective sessions but nothing like Donegal or Dublin are doing now.
The tyrone model in 03 should be used by all counties but it's hard to stop teams trying to out do each other.
What type of training are Dublin/Donegal doing now, is it every day?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 19, 2014, 11:21:48 PM
The tyrone players all had full time jobs in the 2000s.
Although it was 2009 by this time.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cavanagh-warns-of-strike-action-if-grants-get-the-boot-26545919.html
Tyrone star Sean Cavanagh has refused to rule out strike action should the players' grants be withdrawn
"There are maybe seven or eight guys on the Tyrone squad at the minute who have no work and are seeking employment."
"They really are on the breadline and to those sort of guys a couple of thousand euro towards the end of the year means an awful lot and maybe allows them to have a better Christmas."
Ah sure wouldnt anyone say anything to get an oul grant?!
Or indeed, to back up a point they're trying to make on the internet :o
Doubt if too many of the Donegal team in 2012 had no jobs through choice. It was well publicized at the time that a lot of the squad simply couldn't find work (Donegal wasn't exactly flush with opportunity even at the height of the Celtic Tiger). Two of last year's regulars have left the country for work. I think it was Neil Gallagher who lost a good job back then as an engineer with the county council. Another bunch were students. So its not like these boys have made a deliberate decision to dedicate themselves full time to the senior football team.
hopefully Donegal can keep the beating to within 10 points.
Cant see Mayo being within 5 points of Dublin in the final.
Dubs wont be stopped this year.
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Yes. I think I read a while back that he will be more involved with the first team.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Good point!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 20, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
hopefully Donegal can keep the beating to within 10 points.
Cant see Mayo being within 5 points of Dublin in the final.
Dubs wont be stopped this year.
Do you think they will beat Donegal by 10 points? Really?
As for Mayo. It's unlikely they will even make the final.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Horan and Gavin work in Ireland .. I know there is a part of glasgow called little Donegal but its not for real.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
I know there is a part of glasgow called little Donegal but its not for real.
No there is not.
But go in and ask for a drink in the bars in what would have been the old Gorbals and you will be served in the language that you ask for it in but it is only Irish you will hear around you in the immediate area.
Everybody did not make it home after going away and hoping to earn enough to build a wee house back home.
Try this if you are unsure.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Horan and Gavin work in Ireland .. I know there is a part of glasgow called little Donegal but its not for real.
McGuinness lives less than 30 mins from Carrickfin Airport where he can step on a flight to Glasgow & be there in less than 2 hours from when he leaves the house. There he is collected & driven to Parkhead. Same in reverse.
No Dublin traffic to contend with, no driving yourself to & from work, nobody bending your ear day in day out about "the game" & since the advent of these new fangled mobile phones he can even keep in touch while he is away.
I'd say he is quite content with the situation, it hasn't done Donegal any harm this year anyway.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Horan and Gavin work in Ireland .. I know there is a part of glasgow called little Donegal but its not for real.
Jim Gavin spends a significant amount of time travelling internationally with his job
Quote from: heffo on August 21, 2014, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 20, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 20, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Is Jimmy McGuinness still juggling his time between Donegal and Celtic?
Aye, in much the same way as Jim Gavin, James Horan, & every other manager "juggles" his time between football & his job
Horan and Gavin work in Ireland .. I know there is a part of glasgow called little Donegal but its not for real.
Jim Gavin spends a significant amount of time travelling internationally with his job
But can Jim fly himself over and back like Gavin can ;)
But Jim G. has a large coaching staff ( plus physical training, strength and conditioning, admin, dietary, logistics, etc etc). ;)
Could the Roscommon bus not fly Jim to and from Glasgow?
Don't be daft, the Roscommon bus can't fly.
It is completely amphibious however.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 13, 2014, 06:55:14 PM
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Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
It's the only way they can win. Of course, its entirely possible that they just can't win.
Not a hope. They couldn't keep Dublin out in 2011 with a man extra for last 15 minutes of the 70mins. They aren't going to do it 3 years later.
To win they have to gamble early on and get ahead and then try and lock it up as they do in Ulster.
I hope you deliberately missed the point.
Donegal are a competitive team at the top table because they have a coherent and effective game plan - built on defence first. If they came out and attacked, any number of teams could beat them, never mind this Dublin team.
They will play as they've always done because they must. Playing as you advocate will mean a hammering. Maybe they can't win playing as they normally do but it's the approach that gives them a puncher's chance.
You need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating to beat Dublin (as you say) only if you allow Dublin their normal attacking space to create their normal shot count.
Donegal to come out and gamble Sunday week? Yeah, right.
There is absolutely no chance in the wide world that Donegal will come out all guns blazing against Dublin. Hell will freeze over first.
I expect to see a variation on the 2011 tactics with more emphasis on keeping the scoreboard ticking. He will try to frustrate Dublin & will hope that they start making poor decisions. If that happens then the game is truly up for grabs.
McGuinness's priority will be to make sure Donegal are still in the game by half time. If they are then, like Dublin, they will back themselves in the third quarter.
It could, of course all go tits up for Donegal but one thing they will be is confident in themselves, each other & in their system.
Dublin are, of course, deserved favourites, they are a great team & a joy to watch. But in Donegal, under McGuinness, they will get their toughest examination yet.
Looking forward to it.
We've no chance Jim and the Boys were in the Secret Training Camp all week.
Like the Gestapo IRFU officials were screened before entering the building just in case they had video recorders or phones that might record the action.
All rooms cleaned out by the Donegal Special Guard- devoted Jesuits but related to the Swiss Guards who guard the Vatican.
They didn't spend 30k on it either. Jim claims he won it in a raffle ran by the Dublin County Board Benevolent Fund to help those counties who are professional but actually aren't.
More to follow tomorrow.
I wonder Will the referee have seen the nasty stuff in Dublin game. If so they could struggle. Also I have yet to be convinced that this dublin team has a third all ireland in them. Takes a truly great group to get 3. I do feel it's been the worst championship for decades.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
We've no chance Jim and the Boys were in the Secret Training Camp all week.
Like the Gestapo IRFU officials were screened before entering the building just in case they had video recorders or phones that might record the action.
All rooms cleaned out by the Donegal Special Guard- devoted Jesuits but related to the Swiss Guards who guard the Vatican.
They didn't spend 30k on it either. Jim claims he won it in a raffle ran by the Dublin County Board Benevolent Fund to help those counties who are professional but actually aren't.
More to follow tomorrow.
Very good Indiana very good.
You missed out on the Knights of Columbanus who are manning road blocks & Opus Dei who are at this very moment carrying out a "re-education" of Joe Brolly.
Quote from: rrhf on August 23, 2014, 08:40:52 AM
I wonder Will the referee have seen the nasty stuff in Dublin game. If so they could struggle. Also I have yet to be convinced that this dublin team has a third all ireland in them. Takes a truly great group to get 3. I do feel it's been the worst championship for decades.
It's only a question of when they win 3. Its not this year it will be next year when the Cormac Costello's of this world are given their heads up.
I'm of the opinion this could be Mayo's year.
From what I hear Kerry will have a big say in next years championship. Better win this year to be sure then..
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 23, 2014, 08:40:52 AM
I wonder Will the referee have seen the nasty stuff in Dublin game. If so they could struggle. Also I have yet to be convinced that this dublin team has a third all ireland in them. Takes a truly great group to get 3. I do feel it's been the worst championship for decades.
I'm of the opinion this could be Mayo's year.
Agreed. The same people who started 'Are Dublin the best team ever' threads will then be starting 'I knew Dublin were overrated' threads
Quote from: INDIANA on August 19, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
Sure rugby was the same in this country back in the amateur days.
In its rocks it was. A former Irish international in the early 90's who I now work with detailed his itinery to me in an international week and it involved one serious night on the piss early in the week. He reckons GAA players now are twenty times fitter then they were.
Jesus no wonder Ireland got the wooden spoon so often back then.
Class I remember talking to one irish international at the time professional to me means more pizza less Chinese.
Will it be hard to get tickets for this game (as a neutral)? I see there sold out online. Any ideas where to pick a couple?
Quote from: WT4E on August 25, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
Will it be hard to get tickets for this game (as a neutral)? I see there sold out online. Any ideas where to pick a couple?
There are ones available on tickets.ie now. All upper tier but meant be a limited number available
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
For bugs? Sneaky dubs.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
Haha, good man Indiana.
It was just the Donegal people being their normal good mannered & thoughtful selves. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 25, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
Haha, good man Indiana.
It was just the Donegal people being their normal good mannered & thoughtful selves. ::) ::) ::)
were the lads allowed their mobile phones?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 25, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
Haha, good man Indiana.
It was just the Donegal people being their normal good mannered & thoughtful selves. ::) ::) ::)
were the lads allowed their mobile phones?
No need for mobiles. McGuinness had blocked all signals within a 20 mile radius.
Using only his mind....
And a flux
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Using only his mind....
And a flux capacitator.........
Quote from: donegal lad on August 25, 2014, 05:22:08 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 25, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
Will it be hard to get tickets for this game (as a neutral)? I see there sold out online. Any ideas where to pick a couple?
There are ones available on tickets.ie now. All upper tier but meant be a limited number available
Thanks for that.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
I would have thought they'd have done that when they were moving in. A bit late to be doing it when they were leaving. Jim McGuinness is slipping in his attention to detail. Perhaps the pressure is getting to him?
Quote from: Sidney on August 26, 2014, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Donegal had their rooms in the Johnstown House swept by their cleaning team before they left yesterday. True story.
I would have thought they'd have done that when they were moving in. A bit late to be doing it when they were leaving. Jim McGuinness is slipping in his attention to detail. Perhaps the pressure is getting to him?
What sort of "cleaning team" are we talking about here?
Is it CIA style cleaning with guys in dark glasses 8) 8) 8) & hi tech equipment or are we talking about a couple of subs with rubber gloves & a bottle of Domestos?
I suspect the latter ;D ;D ;D
Anyone taking kids to this game.
Basically I've 3 adults and 5 kids going and wondered what is the best way for me to get tickets.
Are there children's tickets available for this game?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 26, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
Anyone taking kids to this game.
Basically I've 3 adults and 5 kids going and wondered what is the best way for me to get tickets.
Are there children's tickets available for this game?
Family tickets are sold out since last Thursday
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 26, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
Anyone taking kids to this game.
Basically I've 3 adults and 5 kids going and wondered what is the best way for me to get tickets.
Are there children's tickets available for this game?
I was on tickets.ie earlier and would have been able to buy 2 adult and 2 juvenile for upper cusack if I needed them - turned out the club where able to sort same deal out on bang in the middle of the lower cusack.
Check to see if they still have them on tickets.ie
Quote from: heffo on August 26, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 26, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
Anyone taking kids to this game.
Basically I've 3 adults and 5 kids going and wondered what is the best way for me to get tickets.
Are there children's tickets available for this game?
Family tickets are sold out since last Thursday
Any idea if it is allowed for an adult to use a child ticket? As in the child can't go and want to know if an adult can use same ticket. Can ye pay the difference? (I know you can get a refund the other way around)
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 27, 2014, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 26, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 26, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
Anyone taking kids to this game.
Basically I've 3 adults and 5 kids going and wondered what is the best way for me to get tickets.
Are there children's tickets available for this game?
Family tickets are sold out since last Thursday
Any idea if it is allowed for an adult to use a child ticket? As in the child can't go and want to know if an adult can use same ticket. Can ye pay the difference? (I know you can get a refund the other way around)
It's not possible but it depends how strict they are on the turnstile..
Depends how tall they are.
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/the-championship/video-dublin-and-donegal-fans-star-in-hilarious-anchorman-style-street-fight/
There hasn't been nearly as much hype for this as I was expecting
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
There hasn't been nearly as much hype for this as I was expecting
Yeah no hype - as you as expected - Think Dublin have really went to the next level of taking fun out of football - with their GAAbots.
But fair play to them they will definitely win the All Ireland IMO (Prob for the next few years too)
Quote from: WT4E on August 27, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
There hasn't been nearly as much hype for this as I was expecting
Yeah no hype - as you as expected - Think Dublin have really went to the next level of taking fun out of football - with their GAAbots.
But fair play to them they will definitely win the All Ireland IMO (Prob for the next few years too)
Undoubtedly.
Anyone I've talked to about the match is going for a handy Dublin win, that it won't even be a contest.
Personally I think Donegal will give Dublin a good game of it although Dublin may pull away in the last 10-15 minutes.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Anyone I've talked to about the match is going for a handy Dublin win, that it won't even be a contest.
Personally I think Donegal will give Dublin a good game of it although Dublin may pull away in the last 10-15 minutes.
Statements like this are also starting to annoy me! good game but pull away in the last 10 minutes!
I suppose the Dubs don't care that no ones really interested in them winning it outside the county? But surely somewhere deep down JG would like his team to be more likeable winners??
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
There hasn't been nearly as much hype for this as I was expecting
Been overshadowed by the enormous (and tedious) stink over the venue for the Mayo v Kerry replay.
Quote from: WT4E on August 27, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Anyone I've talked to about the match is going for a handy Dublin win, that it won't even be a contest.
Personally I think Donegal will give Dublin a good game of it although Dublin may pull away in the last 10-15 minutes.
Statements like this are also starting to annoy me! good game but pull away in the last 10 minutes!
I suppose the Dubs don't care that no ones really interested in them winning it outside the county? But surely somewhere deep down JG would like his team to be more likeable winners??
What will we do over elaborate fist pumping, roaring (all done before under caffrey) or look for players to be carded
No one in Donegal is even given us a realistic chance here. Hard to generate excitement when the outcome is pretty much thought to be all but certain. This would be the biggest upset since... I don't know. .. Clare beat Kerry in '92 if we were to pull it off.
Quote from: WT4E on August 27, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Anyone I've talked to about the match is going for a handy Dublin win, that it won't even be a contest.
Personally I think Donegal will give Dublin a good game of it although Dublin may pull away in the last 10-15 minutes.
Statements like this are also starting to annoy me! good game but pull away in the last 10 minutes!
I suppose the Dubs don't care that no ones really interested in them winning it outside the county? But surely somewhere deep down JG would like his team to be more likeable winners??
I don't understand this... what more would you like them to do? They play the best brand of football in the game. Yes they are finally taking advantage of the numerous resources they have but they are entertaining to watch of that there is no doubt. It's up to everyone else to knock them off their perch!
The GAAbot thing is definitely harsh as well. I would have said it about the team in 2011 which was more littered with gym monkeys than the current team which is littered with quality skillful players who are also strong and athletic.
Quote from: J70 on August 27, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
No one in Donegal is even given us a realistic chance here. Hard to generate excitement when the outcome is pretty much thought to be all but certain. This would be the biggest upset since... I don't know. .. Clare beat Kerry in '92 if we were to pull it off.
Are Dublin being completely over-rated? Since 2011 they have not had it all their own way against Mayo/Kerry/Donegal! All have been narrow defeats or wins. I have to say like Donegal, the hype here (in Mayo) has been underwhelming.
Admiring the current Dubs squad is similar to admiring Lance Armstrong at his best. Yes they're good, yes they're almost unbeatable but take away the doping (financial in Dubl$ns case) and they'd be just about competitive at the top level.
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 12:38:27 PM
There hasn't been nearly as much hype for this as I was expecting
If there was , there would be a 'All this typical hype about Dublin' thread (s)
Damned if ye do and all that.
Teams announcements will give us the opportunity to talk about the game more instead of the various comments on Dublin regardless of the thread title.
Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2014, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 27, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Anyone I've talked to about the match is going for a handy Dublin win, that it won't even be a contest.
Personally I think Donegal will give Dublin a good game of it although Dublin may pull away in the last 10-15 minutes.
Statements like this are also starting to annoy me! good game but pull away in the last 10 minutes!
I suppose the Dubs don't care that no ones really interested in them winning it outside the county? But surely somewhere deep down JG would like his team to be more likeable winners??
I don't understand this... what more would you like them to do? They play the best brand of football in the game. Yes they are finally taking advantage of the numerous resources they have but they are entertaining to watch of that there is no doubt. It's up to everyone else to knock them off their perch!
The GAAbot thing is definitely harsh as well. I would have said it about the team in 2011 which was more littered with gym monkeys than the current team which is littered with quality skillful players who are also strong and athletic.
Sorry can't warm to them - I could warm to earlier Dublin teams but not this one and its not a case of not liking them cause they are winning all round them because there were some Kerry teams like that which I really enjoyed watching!
Considering the following:
Donegal won the AI 2 years ago
Dublin have not yet met a top side this year to date
Donegal have the ultimate blanket at their disposal, think back to how it was used in 2011
McFadden is due a big game
Crazy pressure on the Dubs
This is by no means a foregone conclusion. Tactically it will be fascinating.
At the start of the year I was really looking forward to this fixture and was hoping it would be the AI final but it didn't work out that way
I think Donegal will really get into Dublin's faces and harass them like Tyrone did to Kerry in that famous game back in 2002.
There was no breathing space at all and as soon as you got the ball you were surrounded by a pack of wolves. It almost got to the stage where players didn't even want the ball.
I think if Donegal can bring that to the table for the first 35 mins then Dublin for the first time all year will start questioning themselves.
The pressure from the fans who I have witnessed all year is one of major expectancy and pressure and if things aren't going their way they will become restless and that will make it's way onto the pitch, I hope.
However looking into my AIG crystal ball below, I do think Donegal have no where near the fire power to trouble Dublin even if their full back line is a possible weakness should Murphy be played there and his clone played at MF. McFadden has been poor all year and hopefully he does a Mugsy in 2005 and finally wakes up and scores a cracker goal and gets back his mojo.
I think Donegal will maybe be leading at HT 4-3 and then the Dubs will get a goal and suddenly it's all over. It sounds obvious but if Dublin get 2 or 3 ahead of Donegal then will Donegal have the no how to come out and attack. I doubt it.
I just want to see a good tight exciting match as I'm tired of bringing my kids to games all year to see it all over at half time. Even the Dubs are bored with it and most don't even watch the second half. It's become like Watching American sports where it's all about the food and drink.
Are many of ye neutrals coming down for this game?
SouthDown have you been to watch Dublin this year in Croker?
(http://rafalstec.blox.pl/resource/mani.jpg)
Thing is, Dublin will also be putting the Donegal players under severe pressure. I see lots of blind alleys and turnovers.
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Considering the following:
Donegal won the AI 2 years ago. A fresher Donegal won the AI 2 years ago!
Dublin have not yet met a top side this year to date Donegal have yet to meet a top side also
Donegal have the ultimate blanket at their disposal, think back to how it was used in 2011 A 2011 fresher team with McFadden at 100%
McFadden is due a big game McFadden is due a big game for the last two years
Crazy pressure on the Dubs I actually think there is no Pressure on the Dubs, 2 AI's in three years, Playing at home in front of a Huge partisan crowd. The Pressure is on Donegal. This will be the end for quite a few player if they lose.
This is by no means a foregone conclusion. Tactically it will be fascinating. Agreed
Quote from: J70 on August 27, 2014, 03:07:39 PM
Thing is, Dublin will also be putting the Donegal players under severe pressure. I see lots of blind alleys and turnovers.
Yeah, the pressure won't be one way! Don't be fooled that Dublin play out and out attacking football!
Yes but that is the only flaw in this Dublin team. A bit like Kerry before they met Tyrone. That try as they may in training you can't replicate that intensity(Spillane accent) and all of Dublin's matches bar the first 20 mins v Monaghan they got it so handy.
Dublin are used to getting time on the ball and looking up and kicking a nice foot pass into space.
How will they fare when they're swarmed immediately by 5 players each time?
This is the only part of this game I'm looking forward to but I fear it won't last too long.
As soon as Dublin get a lead they really kick on then and their HUGE confidence kicks in and then there's no stopping them
If Dublin score a goal watch how the whole team then enthuses confidence and belief. They go for goals far more than any team. You rarely see tehm fist passing it over the bar any more. MDMA used to do this a lot, now he shoots for goal as well.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 27, 2014, 02:45:39 PM
Are many of ye neutrals coming down for this game?
Yeah I'm heading fuzzman - through convience really not through choice - Just hope its a competitive game (which I don't think it will be) would have preferred to see the Kerry Mayo game but couldn't get!
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
McFadden is due a big game
I really don't get this. One of McGuinness' greatest mangerial feats was getting McFadden to play the way he did in 2012. IMO he played way above himself that year. My abiding memory of McFadden is of him being caught on TV laughing and joking on the bench after being subbed in the game vs Armagh in Cross when his team were taking a tanking out on the field. Doesn't like the physical stuff which is amazing as you think he'd be getting it all the time in training.
Vastly overrated player.
Quote from: mackers on August 27, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
McFadden is due a big game
I really don't get this. One of McGuinness' greatest mangerial feats was getting McFadden to play the way he did in 2012. IMO he played way above himself that year. My abiding memory of McFadden is of him being caught on TV laughing and joking on the bench after being subbed in the game vs Armagh in Cross when his team were taking a tanking out on the field. Doesn't like the physical stuff which is amazing as you think he'd be getting it all the time in training.
Vastly overrated player.
Well, your "abiding memory" is a misinformed one. It was a rueful laugh on McFadden 's part as he had just been asked to wait around after the game for an on - pitch presentation recognizing his 100th senior appearance. He even got grief from the Armagh lads, warming down after the game, asking him if it was a man of the match award!
McGuinness did in fact get much more out of him than any other manager in 2011 and 2012, but that was in terms of consistency. The talent has always been there. As for not liking the physical stuff, have you ever watched Ulster football? The man is simply off - form, perhaps, given how long he has been at it, irreversibly. Doesn't help either that he us double - marked all the time.
Was reading an article about the amount of gear the college football teams were bringing over.
The size of the playing group and coaching stuff is staggering.
It's like a military operation.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 04:16:02 PM
Was reading an article about the amount of gear the college football teams were bringing over.
The size of the playing group and coaching stuff is staggering.
It's like a military operation.
I heard they were amazed by the same things in the Dublin set up!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 04:16:02 PM
Was reading an article about the amount of gear the college football teams were bringing over.
The size of the playing group and coaching stuff is staggering.
It's like a military operation.
Like Sapian so.
* dons helmets (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/9iR/RgK/9iRRgKAxT.jpeg)
Quote from: J70 on August 27, 2014, 04:05:46 PM
Well, your "abiding memory" is a misinformed one. It was a rueful laugh on McFadden 's part as he had just been asked to wait around after the game for an on - pitch presentation recognizing his 100th senior appearance. He even got grief from the Armagh lads, warming down after the game, asking him if it was a man of the match award!
I'll take your word for it as you seem to be well informed. It was bad looking at the time.
Most top forwards in the country are double teamed (esp when they play Donegal which is why I said you think he would be used to it in training), I don't think that's a viable excuse for him. Granted he has shown flashes of talent, I remember one outstanding performance against Tyrone in '00s. Just think he has a suspect temperament and for Donegal to pin their hopes on such a player leaves them in a bad place.
We need something to put a bit of jizz into this thread. Anybody have any ideas? Dont Matter and his tables of money even? :P
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Quote from: J70 on August 27, 2014, 04:05:46 PM
Well, your "abiding memory" is a misinformed one. It was a rueful laugh on McFadden 's part as he had just been asked to wait around after the game for an on - pitch presentation recognizing his 100th senior appearance. He even got grief from the Armagh lads, warming down after the game, asking him if it was a man of the match award!
I'll take your word for it as you seem to be well informed. It was bad looking at the time.
Most top forwards in the country are double teamed (esp when they play Donegal which is why I said you think he would be used to it in training), I don't think that's a viable excuse for him. Granted he has shown flashes of talent, I remember one outstanding performance against Tyrone in '00s. Just think he has a suspect temperament and for Donegal to pin their hopes on such a player leaves them in a bad place.
Nah, we are not pinning our hopes on him, which partly explains our virtual complete lack of hope! You can't turn form on and off. He has done nothing since the Down game last year, when a few marvelous, long range, grab-it - and - shoot points were the winning of the game. His next performance against Monaghan, when he couldn't hit a barn door, was a big reason we lost, although we were well beaten all over the field. Disagree on the physical stuff though- he is a big, well built, man, and thrived in 2011-12 when often on his own up front.
Quote from: southdown on August 27, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Considering the following:
Donegal won the AI 2 years ago
Dublin have not yet met a top side this year to date
Donegal have the ultimate blanket at their disposal, think back to how it was used in 2011
McFadden is due a big game
Crazy pressure on the Dubs
This is by no means a foregone conclusion. Tactically it will be fascinating.
Really? From where?
They've won two AI's, this exceptional team should win some more over the next few years. I've yet to hear anyone from Dublin think they're under pressure for Sunday
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 27, 2014, 02:45:39 PM
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Does that guy from London who pays for all Donegals training weekends and warm weather training camps abroad pay in Sterling?
Looks like it'll be a sellout. No tickets on ticket master and only terrace on gaa.ie.
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
Looks like it'll be a sellout.
This game in Limerick is a GAA sellout.
QuoteNo tickets on ticket master and only terrace on gaa.ie
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And it will be full as well.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
Looks like it'll be a sellout.
This game in Limerick is a GAA sellout.
QuoteNo tickets on ticket master and only terrace on gaa.ie
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And it will be full as well.
you should head down to SBG on the nass road and let geezer knock some sense into your muldoon head
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
We need something to put a bit of jizz into this thread. Anybody have any ideas? Dont Matter and his tables of money even? :P
Even the interviews from the Donegal camp itself appear full of resignation: "ah, they're a brilliant team, and rightly overwhelming favourites, including among our own friends and family, but sure we'll do our best!" It IS turning into a bit of a damp squib, in terms of pre match excitement. Maybe it's all McGuinness mind games! :P
Dubs by a mile at half-time, even more at full-time.
Sit back and enjoy one of the greatest teams to ever played Gaelic Football.
not be that big a upset if Donegal beat them, i don think they will, but none of u donegal ones any backbone to come out and say your team will win / could win. there nothing worse listening to no-hopers talking there team down then if by chance they win, its oh i knew they win but didn't want to day so, then proceed to tell why he think they win with this tactic and that but hadn't the forsight to mention it the week before.
The Dubs can only maintain this impossibly high level or go downwards slightly ..cause I'm not sure its actually possible to get any better than they've been.. Is it ? The question is would Dublin even with a slight dip still be too good on the day?
After the Armagh game and a few other turd-like first half performances this summer we can only realistically get better and 3 weeks is plenty to prepare for a one off game where every squad player can at least target the required improvement rate needed. Its a match where you put in the hardest grafting 70 mins of your inter county carrer to the extent that if you were to win ; it would probably mean having to conceed the final to pure exhaustion alone!
I think the lads can and prob will put in that level of graft in a one-off game and if McFadden can put one over from play then he can put 2,3 4 over in a row and confidence can return very quickly ( look at the impact the return to form of Kieran Donaghy made in the semi against Mayo when he came on) .
I put €15 on us @ 7/1 cause I do think those odds are just too big. I know only too well our weaknesses and limitations and I think in 2014 realisticly if we played Dublin 10 weeks in a row we'd probably lose eight and. maybe draw one but this is a one-off game and anything goes.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living. You might think that's unfair but so is hearsay. In the 90s I remember programmes listing every player's profession. Now I have little idea what, for example, each Dublin player does for a crust, apart from Stephen Cluxton being a teacher, a few players being students and Bernard Brogan being a sports and morketing showpony.
Any Dubs fans able to have a stab at a list?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
not be that big a upset if Donegal beat them, i don think they will, but none of u donegal ones any backbone to come out and say your team will win / could win. there nothing worse listening to no-hopers talking there team down then if by chance they win, its oh i knew they win but didn't want to day so, then proceed to tell why he think they win with this tactic and that but hadn't the forsight to mention it the week before.
Backbone me arse. Anyone seriously backing Donegal would be talking shite. You have to go with the evidence and based on what we have seen there is no way a solid case can be made in Donegal's favour.
One of the beauties of sport is that shocks and surprises do happen, but the fact that such games unfold in a manner that is, prior to the event, unlikely, is why they are considered shocks.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
not be that big a upset if Donegal beat them, i don think they will, but none of u donegal ones any backbone to come out and say your team will win / could win. there nothing worse listening to no-hopers talking there team down then if by chance they win, its oh i knew they win but didn't want to day so, then proceed to tell why he think they win with this tactic and that but hadn't the forsight to mention it the week before.
Reading that hurt my brain! - Where you drinking during the gunners match or something?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living. You might think that's unfair but so is hearsay. In the 90s I remember programmes listing every player's profession. Now I have little idea what, for example, each Dublin player does for a crust, apart from Stephen Cluxton being a teacher, a few players being students and Bernard Brogan being a sports and morketing showpony.
Any Dubs fans able to have a stab at a list?
Doubt there are actually any rumours. All open information. As said Dublin GAA have full player profile.
Bryan Cullen is well known as a fitness coach (didn't he get a role with Leinster rugby?) Phil Mc in similar profession. Fair few teachers (Ger B, Kev Nolan, Flynner and of course Clucko). Load of the lads still studying.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 28, 2014, 10:25:53 AM
Doubt there are actually any rumours. All open information. As said Dublin GAA have full player profile.
Bryan Cullen is well known as a fitness coach (didn't he get a role with Leinster rugby?) Phil Mc in similar profession. Fair few teachers (Ger B, Kev Nolan, Flynner and of course Clucko). Load of the lads still studying.
LOL - I see that and a good few of them over the average student age! ;)
PS - The day of the tradesman inter county player is definitely over. I wonder how many of the top 5/6 teams have a brickie etc on board?
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2014, 11:08:41 AM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 19, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
Christ Canalman will you relax. Not once did I say any of those things. I said I hear rumours about all the top counties, I didn't say I believed them. In fact that's why I asked.
The worst thing about this whole resources debate is how paranoid it makes some Dublin fans. Where's that legendary sense of humour?
Anyway thanks for the link Heffo. Yeah I knew what Cullen and McMahon did but there's a lot of other players where I wasn't sure.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
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:o
Watched the 2011 final on All Ireland Gold last night. Joe McQuillan was like a 16th man for the Dubs, surely if Donegal are to get close he will have to swing the other way!!!!!!!!
Quote from: The Trap on August 28, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
Watched the 2011 final on All Ireland Gold last night. Joe McQuillan was like a 16th man for the Dubs, surely if Donegal are to get close he will have to swing the other way!!!!!!!!
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You need to watch it again then as you must have missed most of the game.
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Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 28, 2014, 10:25:53 AM
Doubt there are actually any rumours. All open information. As said Dublin GAA have full player profile.
Bryan Cullen is well known as a fitness coach (didn't he get a role with Leinster rugby?) Phil Mc in similar profession. Fair few teachers (Ger B, Kev Nolan, Flynner and of course Clucko). Load of the lads still studying.
LOL - I see that and a good few of them over the average student age! ;)
PS - The day of the tradesman inter county player is definitely over. I wonder how many of the top 5/6 teams have a brickie etc on board?
Average age of a student ain't what it used to be. Know loads of lads who, years ago, would have fathered 10 kids by now but they are still officially students. Or on some sort of work study programme.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv36_P2IMAA4nZM.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5FS4rCAAAuaXo.jpg:large)
:o
BURN!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
not be that big a upset if Donegal beat them, i don think they will, but none of u donegal ones any backbone to come out and say your team will win / could win. there nothing worse listening to no-hopers talking there team down then if by chance they win, its oh i knew they win but didn't want to day so, then proceed to tell why he think they win with this tactic and that but hadn't the forsight to mention it the week before.
Yes, it's like having fundamental moral objections to playing a semi-final anywhere but Croke Park, that you only discovered when your county was affected by a decision to that effect.
Or discovering you were raped when the cheque bounced.
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 28, 2014, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 28, 2014, 11:25:33 AM
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 28, 2014, 10:25:53 AM
Doubt there are actually any rumours. All open information. As said Dublin GAA have full player profile.
Bryan Cullen is well known as a fitness coach (didn't he get a role with Leinster rugby?) Phil Mc in similar profession. Fair few teachers (Ger B, Kev Nolan, Flynner and of course Clucko). Load of the lads still studying.
LOL - I see that and a good few of them over the average student age! ;)
PS - The day of the tradesman inter county player is definitely over. I wonder how many of the top 5/6 teams have a brickie etc on board?
Average age of a student ain't what it used to be. Know loads of lads who, years ago, would have fathered 10 kids by now but they are still officially students. Or on some sort of work study programme.
Hmmmmmm! I'm not sure!
Didn't ye see the report last week? Farmers' children are three times more likely to go to college than the average school-leaver. Dublin are at a horrific disadvantage on this one.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
Christ Canalman will you relax. Not once did I say any of those things. I said I hear rumours about all the top counties, I didn't say I believed them. In fact that's why I asked.
The worst thing about this whole resources debate is how paranoid it makes some Dublin fans. Where's that legendary sense of humour?
Anyway thanks for the link Heffo. Yeah I knew what Cullen and McMahon did but there's a lot of other players where I wasn't sure.
Barman 1
Teacher 4
*AIG Insurance 1
Physio 1
S&C 2
Student 17
Health & Safety 1
Tax Consultant 1
Business Advisor 1
Bank 1
Business Owner 1
Stock Broker 1
*Aer Lingus 1
Sales Rep 1
Entrepreneur 1
Account Manager 1
QS 1
* County Sponsor
No one unemployed and only 2 employed by sponsors, thought it would have been more somehow.
Damn good-looking team too...
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
not be that big a upset if Donegal beat them, i don think they will, but none of u donegal ones any backbone to come out and say your team will win / could win. there nothing worse listening to no-hopers talking there team down then if by chance they win, its oh i knew they win but didn't want to day so, then proceed to tell why he think they win with this tactic and that but hadn't the forsight to mention it the week before.
Yes, it's like having fundamental moral objections to playing a semi-final anywhere but Croke Park, that you only discovered when your county was affected by a decision to that effect.
Or discovering you were raped when the cheque bounced.
You should insist on cash only when you are working the street corners at night Hardy then you will have no problem with dodgy cheques.
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As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.
You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.
Explain.
How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.
I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.
And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.
Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.
It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.
They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.
Where its going to end God knows.
I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.
No need to research - all here for you:
http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football
Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??
Facts really can be awkward sometimes.
Christ Canalman will you relax. Not once did I say any of those things. I said I hear rumours about all the top counties, I didn't say I believed them. In fact that's why I asked.
The worst thing about this whole resources debate is how paranoid it makes some Dublin fans. Where's that legendary sense of humour?
Anyway thanks for the link Heffo. Yeah I knew what Cullen and McMahon did but there's a lot of other players where I wasn't sure.
Barman 1
Teacher 4
*AIG Insurance 1
Physio 1
S&C 2
Student 17
Health & Safety 1
Tax Consultant 1
Business Advisor 1
Bank 1
Business Owner 1
Stock Broker 1
*Aer Lingus 1
Sales Rep 1
Entrepreneur 1
Account Manager 1
QS 1
* County Sponsor
No one unemployed and only 2 employed by sponsors, thought it would have been more somehow.
Damn good-looking team too...
Out of the team that started against Monaghan I make it 10 lads in full time employment and 5 students. So much for the jibes about professional sportsmen and lads being given imaginary jobs by the Dublin County Board. BTW Dublin COunty Board employ 2 Laois inter county footballers and no Dublin ones. Its ok Don't Matter. We're cool like that. Don't mention it.
This just in....
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:) ;)
I'm assuming they know he's taking the car by the way.
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This just in....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoaAuoMIMAArUBe.jpg)
:) ;)
I wouldn't fancy that in a collision with a bus.
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This just in....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoaAuoMIMAArUBe.jpg)
:) ;)
I think that's part of the prize for winning player of the year.
Saw him in it recently and it has some type of GAA/GPA wording emblazoned on each side of it (not too big in fairness, but still very noticeable)
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This just in....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoaAuoMIMAArUBe.jpg)
:) ;)
I think that's part of the prize for winning player of the year.
Saw him in it recently and it has some type of GAA/GPA wording emblazoned on each side of it (not too big in fairness, but still very noticeable)
must have taken a few months to sort out the paper work ;-)
It was hard work but I managed to get 3 adult and 5 kid tickets yesterday from tickets.ie
However 3 of them are on the Davin Section 317 and the rest are up in 704 that the boys will love.
Is there anywhere online where you can offer tickets swap. I checked toutless but not much on there?
I'd say MDMA will be a marked man tomorrow playing against his HOME county. :P
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This just in....
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:) ;)
Opel?
His own engine is better than an Opel.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuYd1K9CQAAa1yb.jpg:large)
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They were only in there to find directions on how to get away from there Squire...
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They were only in there to find directions on how to get away from there Squire...
....looking for the R333 to Limerick.
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They were only in there to find directions on how to get away from there Squire...
....looking for the R333 to Limerick.
Aidan better not wear those socks so ;) :-*
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They were only in there to find directions on how to get away from there Squire...
....looking for the R333 to Limerick.
Aidan better not wear those socks so ;) :-*
Probably best to leave the car at home too. :D
'Top gear' officiial site has less cars and more GAA talk than this thread.. :)
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on August 29, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
'Top gear' officiial site has less cars and more GAA talk than this thread.. :)
Top gear, top coaches, top sponsors, top of the League, top funding, top recent record......
Dublin = top of all.
Donegal = topless.
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'Top gear' officiial site has less cars and more GAA talk than this thread.. :)
Top gear, top coaches, top sponsors, top of the League, top funding, top recent record......
Dublin = top of all.
Donegal = topless.
Wrong on the coaches part we can't afford to pay the salaries other counties pay their managers
Is it true Dublin have offered to move this game to Clones to stop all the whinging?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 29, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
Is it true Dublin have offered to move this game to Clones to stop all the whinging?
Why not. Good record up there , nice trip up.
Sure the GAA itself would have no issue with halfing the near sell out payday that is Sunday.
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Is it true Dublin have offered to move this game to Clones to stop all the whinging?
No, Jim McGuinness accused Dublin of being clones.
The nine Gaoth Dobhair players involved between the Minor and Senior looking relaxed for Sunday.
Some wall references already being made.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwNwVQcCUAAtYkn.jpg:large)
Is that the crankiest man in Ireland getting a free car fourteen years ago? I thought that was for only Dublin AI winners??
https://twitter.com/_terminalx/status/505455919053144064/photo/1
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Is that the crankiest man in Ireland getting a free car fourteen years ago? I thought that was for only Dublin AI winners??
https://twitter.com/_terminalx/status/505455919053144064/photo/1
some wig on yer man
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Is that the crankiest man in Ireland getting a free car fourteen years ago? I thought that was for only Dublin AI winners??
https://twitter.com/_terminalx/status/505455919053144064/photo/1
some wig on yer man
That's JJ himself. Non one disses him
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2000??
Jaysus, it looks like the famine.
Did Mayo just go from the 80's straight to 2000?
Bit a rain and drizzle (irish style) tomorrow afternoon it seems..
"Sunday morning and early afternoon will be mainly dry and bright, with some hazy sunshine in places during the morning. However, outbreaks of rain and drizzle will spread from the west during the afternoon and early evening, the rain becoming scattered and patchy during the evening. Warm and close, highest temperatures 19 to 21 Celsius, with winds becoming moderate south to southwest and freshening later on southeastern coasts."
The collapsing has started already and a yellow card bought. Hateful.
Dublin only managed two points from play in 2011 semi final they already have four from play.
Martin Carney is practically certain to say the word MANIFEST today during the game. Only a matter of how many times.
Very much so.
Donegal look very laboured.
Who is marking Paul Flynn, he destroying them
Game is over if Murphy stays around the middle. Put him FF. Donegal need goals.
Can't see a way Donegal can win this from here. Dublin just too good for them.
Dublin can get score from anywhere, 2 Brogans, Connolly, Flynn, O`Gara, had the dubs scored either goal chance, it be a hammering, Donegal still sticking in there, but Dublin are going to score a goal
Connolly f**king class!!
Skill is the best answer to the blanket.
Donegal men walking while the ball in play. Not a good sign
More like it from Donegal hopefully they can keep it going.
Bit of a come back here
Goal for Donegal they lead :o
Dongeal hit the front, Dublin missing 2 goal chances coming back to bite them on the ass now
It's been like when Rocky first hurt big Dolph in Rocky 4, the belief soared!
The other thing biting them is lack of defending practice.
Hard to believe Donegal are leading here, Dublin were murdering them for the first 20mins
They can't handle Murphy at FF.
Come on ta fcuk Donegal.
O'Gara is muck.
Whete did that first half go. Interesting stuff
Some response by Donegal. Dublin looked a little shell-shocked for the first time in quite a while.
Should make for an interesting second half.
Don't know ,think we're going just ok , but im waiting for a dreaded dublin goal. Dublin's long range shooting is too good for us atm
Another good enjoyable Donegal game and to think some here thought Donegal games were all dour and defensive.
Durcans save from Connolly could be the biggest moment of this game.
Donegal had no choice to come out and play football has they had went so far behind, wait to see if they are 2/3pts and see how dour it is lol
Betfair at half time:
Dublin 1.3
Donegal 5.6
I'm not trading.
Thoroughly enjoying this!! what a weekend of GAA!! hopefully Donegal can keep this up.
If donegal win this joe brolly will ejaculate all over pat and colm.
Omg
Another goal, all about taking you chances, didnt see this coming!!
Two goals for Donegal and McHugh :o
Hmm ...maybe I should have ...
Call the bench, Jim.
Donegal played this style all the time i be a happy man, so i wonder why they dont!
This could be a classic yet.
G were getting more and more like soccer all the time with Booing
Time to take O`Gara off? too many mistakes
Crooked finger for O'Gara can't be far off.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 04:33:45 PM
Donegal played this style all the time i be a happy man, so i wonder why they dont!
In fairness they played a good style of play in 2012 also.
Oh Jayses!
Dublin are wide open at the back. Keep getting caught on the counter.
Scenes!
Kavanagh is a disgusting diver.
From threating to blow Donegal away the 2 goal missed will haunt the dubs for a long time, cant see Donegal losing this one, no defensive cover for the Dublin fullback line again
Donegal have scored 3-7 to 0.3 from Dublin early salvo
Keep her lit Donegal great stuff!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 04:36:38 PMthread.e getting more and more like soccer all the time with Booing
Kind of puts the whole stupid ass question of ' are Dublin the best team ever ' thread!
Eh not, definitely not!
Inspirational stuff from Connolly.
Stunning stuff.
Donegal will give us an awful trimming in the final if they play like this if they go on and win it today!!
Connolly is a thug. But great footballer
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 31, 2014, 04:46:18 PM
Donegal will give us an awful trimming in the final if they play like this if they go on and win it today!!
;D
I predict an epidemic of injuries to sweep through Donegal now. A stoppage every two minutes, I'd say.
kerry have alot better chance against Donegal than Dublin
Low and hard and it was game over
That Dublin defence is shockingly bad, wide open every time. Who is marking Ryan McHugh?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 04:48:12 PM
kerry have alot better chance against Donegal than Dublin
Kerry will be big underdogs against either tho
This could be a draw.Replay in Limerick next Saturday.
G hows that a black card, was that not accidental? thought McGee was even looking
That black card could be a turning point big blow to Donegal.
ERM, steps? Ref?
On another matter, is this the 1st time in years that a Ulster team in a semi final is not on BBC
The beauty of sport is in the overturning of what everyone knows.
That a closed fist hit there!
Dubs are 20/1 in running now.
As nice as it is to see Donegal win, i dont know if i could handle a smirking Joe after the game, Dublin have missed 3 pts in a row here.
Dublin rattled, very much so.
5 in a row missed, would have had the game at 2.
Quote from: Hardy on August 31, 2014, 04:47:35 PM
I predict an epidemic of injuries to sweep through Donegal now. A stoppage every two minutes, I'd say.
More an epidemic of bad shooting by the Dubs
This is unreal
Fecking Donegal and their London Sugar Daddy... They should be split!!!
f**king serious performance probably the best performance I've ever seen from any team ever. Dublin completely annihilated them. I just can't believe this really!! Also McQuillan has been sore on Donegal....
Joe "Hindsight" Brolly will be in his element after this
How would it be hindsight?
I did say (although laughed at bck on Pg 14) that Donegal beating Dublin would not be that big a upset don't think any Donegal man backed their team to win here which was strange, still thought Dublin would still win myself,
Dont believe the hype
He's been singing Dublin's praises and hasn't really given Donegal any hope. Now it will be all about the mastery of McGuinness and how Dublin have never faced anything like this Donegal team, things he hasn't really said in the build up.
Dublin caught up in their own hype. Superb stuff by Donegal believed in themselves when almost everyone wrote them off.
Magnificent stuff Donegal.
;D ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
Dublin caught up in their own hype. Superb stuff by Donegal believed in themselves when almost everyone wrote them off.
Jimmy mind games were so clever we didn't even notice them! But they obviously worked.
Shock of all time??
Brilliant Donegal performance
Jimmy's winning matches!
Delighted for them
Stunning game. What a weekend of football.
Well done Donegal.
No Dublin hoors in Croker on AI final day so. Fantastic!!
is maith an t annlann an t ocras.
Just incredible
Holy fcuk! Dublin bullied on their home soil. That was some performance by Donegal
Great to hear "Jimmy's winning matches" playing again. Brilliant song.
Sport makes eejits of us all sometimes and some of the threads on here look hilarious after that. Amazed at how open the Dublin defence was in the second half. Donegal could have had another 2 or 3 goals and a goal looked a possibility every time they went forward. Loads of quality on both teams and superb from Donegal though there was some injury feigning at the end. There should have been another few minutes injury time but it wouldn't have made any difference.
UNBEATABLE ME FUCKIN ARSE!!!!!!! :D :D :D
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 05:21:15 PM
UNBEATABLE ME FUCKIN ARSE!!!!!!! :D :D :D
I concur!!
Jesus I'm happy an just remembered I'm €100. richer after taking those Ludicrous 7/1. odds
So proud of the lads as they've redeemed that 2011 semi.
Dublin a fantastic team but those goals knocked the stuffing and everything else clean outta them
Cracking game
Yerra - Kerry have no chance against those boys
Two wonderful games this weekend.
Donegal were fantastic, breaking at speed and always supporting their teammates. BIg shock but you have to think they will go in as favourites now for the Final.
Quote from: grounded on August 31, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Shock of all time??
Brilliant Donegal performance
Thats dung talk. Donegal aren't some flash in the pan, they were AI champs two years ago ffs. Not too many lads on tge Donegal team will think its a shock.
Unbelievable stuff.
What a performance.
J70 are you drunk yet
ha ha
Quote from: TabClear on August 31, 2014, 05:23:12 PM
Two wonderful games this weekend.
Donegal were fantastic, breaking at speed and always supporting their teammates. BIg shock but you have to think they will go in as favourites now for the Final.
Kerry 2.02
Donegal 1.96
Well done donegal. Have restored my faith that garlic football is an intense game and defense is as beautiful as attack. Well done the kingdom as well. Hard luck to dubs and mayo. Great efforts.
Quote from: Hardy on August 31, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: TabClear on August 31, 2014, 05:23:12 PM
Two wonderful games this weekend.
Donegal were fantastic, breaking at speed and always supporting their teammates. BIg shock but you have to think they will go in as favourites now for the Final.
Kerry 2.02
Donegal 1.96
Is that a score prediction for the final??? ;)
Hope Indiana isn't too downhearted.
Delighted for Donegal, class win.
Dubs were unbackable like Bayern in the CL butback to back is very tough even with a massive bandwagon
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
Well done donegal. Have restored my faith that garlic football is an intense game and defense is as beautiful as attack. Well done the kingdom as well. Hard luck to dubs and mayo. Great efforts.
Is Garlic Football the new Puke Football?
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
Well done donegal. Have restored my faith that garlic football is an intense game and defense is as beautiful as attack. Well done the kingdom as well. Hard luck to dubs and mayo. Great efforts.
garlic football is too continental for a lot of traditionalist.s
Quote from: bennydorano on August 31, 2014, 05:32:47 PM
Hope Indiana isn't too downhearted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs
What a thoroughly absorbing game of Gaelic football. Donegal simply got in Dublin's faces and many of them wilted. Jim McGuinness is some boy!
Alot of big performances. (obviously R McHugh) but Paul Durcan's save happened at a crucial stage. Steeley man.
Really happy for McFadden finally getting a goal and putting us 8 points clear . I still believe in McFadden ... and hope he can have a big final. Done alot for Donegal football through the years.
Fair play Donegal, best team by a mile on the day............................................ thank god I wont have to listen to Dublin Domination now for a long time now from the country brethren
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 31, 2014, 06:17:36 PM
Fair play Donegal, best team by a mile on the day............................................ thank god I wont have to listen to Dublin Domination now for a long time now from the country brethren
You have five months off from that talk, Squire.. January is Kildare's month.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
Dublin caught up in their own hype. Superb stuff by Donegal believed in themselves when almost everyone wrote them off.
Nope culchie media hype.......................well grounded here
Best team won on the day. Too raw to analyse the rest of it.
But best of luck to Donegal in the final - they were terrific today and Mc Guinness completely out-thought our brains trust on the line
Hopefully now some balance will be brought to the Dublin domination theory by the media who really have badly mis-represented the facts and now look incredibly silly as Dublin were comphrehensively beaten in the minor and senior game today.
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Shock of all time??
Brilliant Donegal performance
Thats dung talk. Donegal aren't some flash in the pan, they were AI champs two years ago ffs. Not too many lads on tge Donegal team will think its a shock.
If we are talking betting and media and public consensus, I can't remember a bigger shock. All very well saying the Donegal team and management fancied their chances, truthfully nobody else did. They took a hiding against Mayo last year, they had a mediocre league capped with a woeful league final performance. They had a ropey enough win last day out against Armagh. I would have put more money on Seanie Johnston picking up an All Ireland with Cavan/Kildare than Donegal beating Dublin today ;)
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Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
It's the only way they can win. Of course, its entirely possible that they just can't win.
Not a hope. They couldn't keep Dublin out in 2011 with a man extra for last 15 minutes of the 70mins. They aren't going to do it 3 years later.
To win they have to gamble early on and get ahead and then try and lock it up as they do in Ulster.
I hope you deliberately missed the point.
Donegal are a competitive team at the top table because they have a coherent and effective game plan - built on defence first. If they came out and attacked, any number of teams could beat them, never mind this Dublin team.
They will play as they've always done because they must. Playing as you advocate will mean a hammering. Maybe they can't win playing as they normally do but it's the approach that gives them a puncher's chance.
You need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating to beat Dublin (as you say) only if you allow Dublin their normal attacking space to create their normal shot count.
Donegal to come out and gamble Sunday week? Yeah, right.
Ahem
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Can't see anything but a Dublin win. Too many variables for Donegal, Mark McHugh not playing, Lacey injured, Kavanagh not enough game time, McFadden playing absolute pants all year.
Yes the system will stifle Dublin to an extent but I just think the Dubs have too many good footballers this time around. The year the Dubs beat Donegal on the way to win the All Ireland they didn't have the same calibre of player and weren't playing the same type of football as they are now, this years team would beat the Dubs of 3 years ago quite comfortably I'd suggest.
Anyway I think Dubs by about 10!
2011 side versus 2014 side
goalkeeper- same
full back line - two thirds
half back line - two thirds
midfield- half
half forward line - same
full forward line - two thirds
Not a huge difference. And that will give Donegal lots of hope. Donegal can't win playing like 2011 IMO.
To beat Dublin you need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating (greater then 50%). Currently Donegal have neither playing their current system. That's largely down to the players being 3 years older.
If they concede the short kickouts they'll lose. They have to gamble on their own kick-outs as well and kick the ball to midfield and contest and take the risk of leaving themselves exposed at the back. And put a premium on the breaks. They just won't score enough to win the game otherwise.
I think overall we are better then Donegal at the moment. What Donegal lack are an influx of new players. Only really Mc Nicholas has been a find. O Connor will be a really good player as well in time. Minors should provide them with a few- but they need more of that.
It's the only way they can win. Of course, its entirely possible that they just can't win.
Not a hope. They couldn't keep Dublin out in 2011 with a man extra for last 15 minutes of the 70mins. They aren't going to do it 3 years later.
To win they have to gamble early on and get ahead and then try and lock it up as they do in Ulster.
I hope you deliberately missed the point.
Donegal are a competitive team at the top table because they have a coherent and effective game plan - built on defence first. If they came out and attacked, any number of teams could beat them, never mind this Dublin team.
They will play as they've always done because they must. Playing as you advocate will mean a hammering. Maybe they can't win playing as they normally do but it's the approach that gives them a puncher's chance.
You need a high shot count and a high accuracy rating to beat Dublin (as you say) only if you allow Dublin their normal attacking space to create their normal shot count.
Donegal to come out and gamble Sunday week? Yeah, right.
Ahem
Ahem Donegal scored 3-13 today- they scored 0-6 in 2011
Filed under "must do better"
Like most of the Dublin team today.
Unbelievable excitement from neutrals about Dublins defeat , not very sporting tbh.
Donegal played very well and deserved their win of course.
Dublin bought into the hype and never showed up.
Gavin could be overrated as a manger, he nearly fooked it up in last years final as well.
Dublin have buckets of talent and ã conveyer belt coming through,they will be a top team for years to come and will win more all Ireland's .
Master class in soaking up pressure and counter attacking.
Take your medicine.
What was it you said they'd to do? Gamble early on? Too many good footballers in this Dublin team to lose to donegal playing that way?
Your posts on this thread are cringe stuff. Usual know all approach and certainly Jim gavin was of the same mind.
Dublin's tactical niaivety was astonishing. Donegal couldn't have won without Jim gavin believing and implementing the same nonsense you believed
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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Corcaigh, 1600, 3ú Lúnasa, Páirc an Crocaigh
« on: July 28, 2014, 12:26:38 PM »
Mayo should win this by 4 or 5 imo. Kerry will beat our lads by 7 or 8 and it then sets up the ultimate test of mental strength for mayo. It's the one team that mayo have historically had problems with and if mayo come through this they will win the AI final. I believe Donegal will beat the dubs in the other semifinal . Kerry will be without cooper so it's a good opportunity for mayo this year to beat them. Cork have forwards but no midfield and this is where mayo will beat them .
I wrote the above on July 28th. Pity I didn't back Donegal as the odds were generous. Just a shame that mayo couldn't fulfill my first part of my prediction. Well done Donegal, I hope they go on to winit now, anyone but Kerry !
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 31, 2014, 06:40:44 PM
Master class in soaking up pressure and counter attacking.
Take your medicine.
What was it you said they'd to do? Gamble early on? Too many good footballers in this Dublin team to lose to donegal playing that way?
Your posts on this thread are cringe stuff. Usual know all approach and certainly Jim gavin was of the same mind.
Dublin's tactical niaivety was astonishing. Donegal couldn't have won without Jim gavin believing and implementing the same nonsense you believed
You're just a shit stirrer and I'm not going to engage with you . So you can stick your bitterness like Ewan Mc kenna up your arse.
Wh
Alot of self praising going on this evening.
That was some weekend of sport. Might even have a wee read over at Hoganstand. There's some doses who will be getting it tight this evening
I think the time has come to split Donegal. They are just too good.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 31, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Unbelievable excitement from neutrals about Dublins defeat , not very sporting tbh.
Donegal played very well and deserved their win of course.
+1
And it's hard to think of anything more classless on a forum than to go trawling through old threads to find posts where someone predicted something that turned out the opposite. It's all over the place here today.
Normally I'd agree hardy but this particular poster has been preaching from on high about all things football for years, preaching to people on their own county affairs - claiming special insight and deriding contrary views. Noone could have predicted today confidently - noone would - but this guy is happy enough to confidently predict the opposite and deride donegal.
If he wants to spend his time on here acting the deity he may take his medicine when it's coming
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
Dublin caught up in their own hype. Superb stuff by Donegal believed in themselves when almost everyone wrote them off.
Nope culchie media hype.......................well grounded here
Would disagree the hype was incredible and would be near impossible to avoid
Quote from: larryin89 on August 31, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Unbelievable excitement from neutrals about Dublins defeat , not very sporting tbh.
Ah now Larry you got caught up in the excitement also are you happy now?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 26, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
let there be no dublin v kerry final, jesus let there be no kerry v dublin final, please f**k sake let there be no dublin v kerry final.Thats all they want.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 31, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Unbelievable excitement from neutrals about Dublins defeat , not very sporting tbh.
Donegal played very well and deserved their win of course.
Dublin bought into the hype and never showed up.
Gavin could be overrated as a manger, he nearly fooked it up in last years final as well.
Dublin have buckets of talent and ã conveyer belt coming through,they will be a top team for years to come and will win more all Ireland's .
Yep totally agree .Dublin still the team to beat and will be for as far as I can see anyway.
The man to man marking at the back was poorly executed today and they were horribly exposed for the goals. But for Durcan they may have gone in 6-10 points at the break but that's sport , they abandoned their discipline in the 2nd half , tackling was half hearted . It reminded me of the pattern our game against Cork took in 2012 when Cork long range shooting dried up and they're was. seemingly no plan B.
In fairness the media hype and bookies odds went against them and put some fire in our bellies much like it did for Mayo when they beat them in 2012 semi. Still its hard to blame Dublin for that as that's not their fault obviously. Gavin , from the evidence of the first 25 mins prob wasn't counting on a turnaround and still at halftime would have backed his man to man system to prevail.
Donegal were very impressive. Even more so because I think Dublin played well for most of the game. Connolly was excellent as was MDMA. Kamikze defending in the second half though. It looks like they had a deliberate policy to push up against Donegal instead of falling back when they lost possession. Anytime Donegal managed to get past halfway in that scenario a goal was on and they were fairly clinical in taking advantage. That Ryan McHugh will take some watching. McFaddens confidence will also be sky high now which is bad news for us. I fear for our fullback line against him and Murphy.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Donegal were very impressive. Even more so because I think Dublin played well for most of the game. Connolly was excellent as was MDMA. Kamikze defending in the second half though. It looks like they had a deliberate policy to push up against Donegal instead of falling back when they lost possession. Anytime Donegal managed to get past halfway in that scenario a goal was on and they were fairly clinical in taking advantage. That Ryan McHugh will take some watching. McFaddens confidence will also be sky high now which is bad news for us. I fear for our fullback line against him and Murphy.
We had a full court press for the whole game Mike. In other words we pushed up everywhere on their kickouts. Which is fine when you're winning the kick-outs but a disaster when you don't
Dublin's weakness has always been midfield and today it was exposed. Dublin needed to win ugly today and didn't do it as we've only played the one style of football for two years.
I'm not going to start hammering the management over one game. It was a bad game to lose but that's sport. We came up against a better side today and we've no complaints.
Donegal got the balance between defence and attack correct today. I've slated them in the past for being too negative but I've no issues with the way they played today. That was terrific.
Will be a great final. Kerry are better setup to deal with Donegal though and I think its too tight to call
How I hate the term "full court press".
I was also listening to Newstalk there and this shite was coming thick and fast. Along with "first phase possession". Christ!
Great performance from Donegal. Played a nice brand of counter attacking football. Ryan McHugh the star. Fair play to Jimmy some man for one man.
Dare I say Dublin badly missed Ger Brennan today?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Dare I say Dublin badly missed Ger Brennan today?
What good would getting a man sent off do them?
:D
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Donegal were very impressive. Even more so because I think Dublin played well for most of the game. Connolly was excellent as was MDMA. Kamikze defending in the second half though. It looks like they had a deliberate policy to push up against Donegal instead of falling back when they lost possession. Anytime Donegal managed to get past halfway in that scenario a goal was on and they were fairly clinical in taking advantage. That Ryan McHugh will take some watching. McFaddens confidence will also be sky high now which is bad news for us. I fear for our fullback line against him and Murphy.
We had a full court press for the whole game Mike. In other words we pushed up everywhere on their kickouts. Which is fine when you're winning the kick-outs but a disaster when you don't
Dublin's weakness has always been midfield and today it was exposed. Dublin needed to win ugly today and didn't do it as we've only played the one style of football for two years.
I'm not going to start hammering the management over one game. It was a bad game to lose but that's sport. W
I was referring more to when Dublin were attacking themselves and they got turned over rather than on Donegals kickouts. I actually thought midfield was reasonably even. Donegal definitely were on top in the second half but Dublin still won a fair amount of possession. It was losing possession in the Donegal half, and Dublins response to that turnover, that killed them.
Great win by Donegal which seemed highly unlikely 15/20 mins in. But once they started taking the game to Dublin they fairly took them to the cleaners.
Dublin missed some howlers at vital stages of the second half. All those soft games this year were of little use to them.
Some great football and excitement last 2 weekends.
Hurley crowd take note :P
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Donegal were very impressive. Even more so because I think Dublin played well for most of the game. Connolly was excellent as was MDMA. Kamikze defending in the second half though. It looks like they had a deliberate policy to push up against Donegal instead of falling back when they lost possession. Anytime Donegal managed to get past halfway in that scenario a goal was on and they were fairly clinical in taking advantage. That Ryan McHugh will take some watching. McFaddens confidence will also be sky high now which is bad news for us. I fear for our fullback line against him and Murphy.
We had a full court press for the whole game Mike. In other words we pushed up everywhere on their kickouts. Which is fine when you're winning the kick-outs but a disaster when you don't
Dublin's weakness has always been midfield and today it was exposed. Dublin needed to win ugly today and didn't do it as we've only played the one style of football for two years.
I'm not going to start hammering the management over one game. It was a bad game to lose but that's sport. W
I was referring more to when Dublin were attacking themselves and they got turned over rather than on Donegals kickouts. I actually thought midfield was reasonably even. Donegal definitely were on top in the second half but Dublin still won a fair amount of possession. It was losing possession in the Donegal half, and Dublins response to that turnover, that killed them.
We got turned over as we kept playing silly 5 yard handpasses into a condensed area.
When we got ahead we should have just played them at their own game and won ugly. I've no doubt had we dropped 13 men behind the ball after 20 minutes we'd have won. But we didn't and we gave them a foothold and they played their counter attacking football which they are excellent at. And once they got ahead we were finished. But you won't see the 2nd and 3rd goals today in a junior B game- they were that poor in terms of the defending for them
Plus they controlled the tempo of the game. But we looked tired today. I think back to back is near impossible in the modern era. It's no harm anyway I'm tired of having to spend my days defending our position which is seen as unfair by everyone else.
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
All this and "Dont Matter" aint to be seen!!
Still hasn't sunk in what we just witnessed in that match! Like everyone else, I didn't give us a chance, merely hoping that we'd keep it tight and run them close, such was the hype surrounding this supposedly invincible Dublin line-up. And for the first 15 or so minutes, it looked like the unanimous predictions (Tony McEntee the honourable exception in saying we COULD win!) were coming true. Slowly, but surely, however, around that point Dublin's forwards started to run into traffic and we started to absorb their attacks, Connolly's goal chance notwithstanding. Then McGuinness called Walsh ashore and sent on Toye and we started to push a few men up to support the attack and suddenly we found that this Dublin defence would actually give up chances to us if we got men running in support. Murphy, after missing an easy chance into Cluxton's arms, straight away sent over a great score, and we were only two points down after being pummeled in the first 15. Next thing McHugh gets the goal, and suddenly it seems like we might be in with a shout! The start of the second half was just incredible, with Alan Brogan and McFadden swapping bad misses, before McHugh's second goal put us five points up. It seems like a goal was on, after that, every time we went forward, with the Dublin defence at sixes and sevens and stretched all over the place. Once McFadden walked in his goal, it was game over as long as we didn't concede one ourselves, and except for McMenamin's toe-poke effort, which was too late anyway, Dublin never looked like grabbing one. Of course, you always worry about Dublin reeling you in like they did Mayo two years ago, but they seemed intent on trying to get a goal chance from more than ten minutes out, and then seemed to completely lose their composure, hitting some very poor wides. At the other end, McBrearty and McHugh kept knocking over a few to keep the gap widened and we were pretty much home and hosed!
Absolute genius by McGuinness, although I would also say that the people who claim that Donegal have a lot of average players would need to cop themselves on. You don't win three out of four Ulster titles and get to two out of three All Ireland finals, winning at least one, with average players, no matter how effective your tactical set up and coaching/management. We've beaten the supposedly unbeatable Dubs, possibly a side who will ultimately rank among the best ever, and thoroughly deserved out victory, and you don't do that with average players. In terms of Donegal performances, that one today may surpass the 1992 final and the 2012 semi against Cork.
Looking forward to the final against a very impressive and courageous Kerry team. This one is going to be hard to call (unlike the semis!) :P
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
A roundy soft jowled oaf of a being
That cigar on All Ireland night will have to wait till next year INDIANA....
Well done Donegal – yours was a devastating second-half display and a well-deserved victory. We owned the first twenty minutes and if any of our three goal chances had gone in the story might have been different, but it was not to be.
It's not a good feeling for a Dubs supporter tonight and it will take us a few days to get over this, but we've had nights like this before and we'll rise again. This Dublin squad has given us many great days over the past three or four years and hopefully we'll have a few more. They are a brilliant bunch of lads and they owe the supporters nothing. Well done lads.
To the Donegal supporters – enjoy the next few weeks. Your team did you proud.
well my Brother must thought they would win or just the old gambler i think he is, had £20 on Donegal at 7-1, these 10-1 odds talked about must been down round Dublin somewhere
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
Sure he wrote Kenny Egan's autobiography, how anti-Dub can he be?
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Don't know why you brought Kildare into it, in one sense we are similar but I would have expected guys with Celtic Crosses to step up to the plate they didn't.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
Sure he wrote Kenny Egan's autobiography, how anti-Dub can he be?
Pondweed is the only term you could use to describe him. Most journalists write good and bad things about us.
His is just relentless bile.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 31, 2014, 08:01:49 PM
Well done Donegal – yours was a devastating second-half display and a well-deserved victory. We owned the first twenty minutes and if any of our three goal chances had gone in the story might have been different, but it was not to be.
It's not a good feeling for a Dubs supporter tonight and it will take us a few days to get over this, but we've had nights like this before and we'll rise again. This Dublin squad has given us many great days over the past three or four years and hopefully we'll have a few more. They are a brilliant bunch of lads and they owe the supporters nothing. Well done lads.
To the Donegal supporters – enjoy the next few weeks. Your team did you proud.
Well said.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
Good grief how many did they get in the last 15 or did I just imagine all those wides in a row.
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
I'll put it to you like this. kerry will never will be as naive tactically today as we were.
We let you off the hook there. However I've no gripes over the 75 mins. the better team won. But if O Gara or conolly finish those chances I don' think you're coming back
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
Sure he wrote Kenny Egan's autobiography, how anti-Dub can he be?
Pondweed is the only term you could use to describe him. Most journalists write good and bad things about us.
His is just relentless bile.
I can't recall reading anything of his. Does seem to be going a bit Joe Broly on the jokes on Twitter right now.
Ballagh GAA follow him. And Club Rossie..
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
Dublin's forwards are not clinical need to create lots of opportunities to score so I must commend Donegal on their composure after the opening 15mins when it looked Dublin couldn't miss, they simply didn't panic and worked their way into the game. The contrast to Dublin in the last 15 was stark when they completely lost their composure instead of lads like MDMA Brogan and McMenimen providing situational leadership they just hit bad wide after bad wide, to me Dublin were a team not prepared to go to the end mentally.
Indeed, a bit like the Kildare lads ;)
Got to be the ultimate in irony. Our half forwards got 0-10 between them. Not bad for forwards with no composure.
A tactical malfunction ensured our forwards had to go for goals in the latter stages when most of those wides occured.
i see Ewan Mc Kenna spouting more of his anti-Dubs bile on twitter- Classy guy is our Ewan. One lad who'd you'd be happy to see out of work and redundant.
Good grief how many did they get in the last 15 or did I just imagine all those wides in a row.
Donegal dropped 14 off at the back in the last 10 minutes. We were 7-8 points down- we needed at least one goal. They just matched us point for point in the last 15.
Some of the misses were very poor but we only had one attacking plan today. Which was quick handpassing around the diamond to get our long range shooters in position. Which worked well when ahead. I can't understand why we just didn't win playing ugly when we got ahead. But we only have one way of playing at the moment.
We have the skill and athleticism to play any game plan but we didn't have any other plan today. Its hard when you get beaten at midfield badly. We've been bailing water there for a few years now and it came home today. Gavin can't do anything about that- our system is not producing midfielders for whatever reason.
These weren't long range misses though ffs Brogan missed an easy free of his right and MDMA blazed over from in front on the post 20m. Add in Cluxton's poor execution of 45s and Dublin to me were not right mentally. Call it complacency or over confidence but they were not in the same zone as Donegal.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 31, 2014, 08:23:04 PM
These weren't long range misses though ffs Brogan missed an easy free of his right and MDMA blazed over from in front on the post 20m. Add in Cluxton's poor execution of 45s and Dublin to me were not right mentally. Call it complacency or over confidence but they were not in the same zone as Donegal.
There was no complacency involved. Try going back to back sometime. You can't beat hunger on a football pitch.
Nobody seems to be able to do it. Donegal didn't do too well last year as I recall.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
I'll put it to you like this. kerry will never will be as naive tactically today as we were.
We let you off the hook there. However I've no gripes over the 75 mins. the better team won. But if O Gara or conolly finish those chances I don' think you're coming back
Doesn't take away from my point though. It has consistently been a issue people used to question this Donegal team, despite the fact that they've generally answered the question of coming from behind when its been asked of them. They came back from a five point deficit against Tyrone in 2011, they trailed Kildare by three or four points a couple of times in 2011, and now today they reeled in a five point Dublin lead to lead by eight themselves (think Derry were three or four points up on us too this year, although in retrospect there was a little too much hype afforded them after the league). True, they could not come back against Monaghan and Mayo last year, but that was an exhausted side carrying injuries to key players.
It might end up like the last decade with 2 teams sharing the all Irelands for an extended period. The Dubs will be back. But not back to back. Donegal are a class outfit.
Well done Donegal - the steam roller got steam-rolled today ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
I'll put it to you like this. kerry will never will be as naive tactically today as we were.
We let you off the hook there. However I've no gripes over the 75 mins. the better team won. But if O Gara or conolly finish those chances I don' think you're coming back
Small word with a big meaning. If Mayo had scored their last free in normal time they would have beat Kerry and it would have been a Donegal - Mayo final.
One thing though Indiana... if I remember correctly you've constantly extolled the tactics Dublin employ under Jim Gavin, praising his belief in going man for man and letting the chips fall where they may, with the means being just as important as the ends. Today it didn't work. Are you suggesting that Dublin should have retreated a bit with their five point lead?
I wonder how Mark McHugh is feeling tonight....
Delighted with that result today, because it shows money can't buy you an AI.
Nothing but admiration for some of the Dublin players, great ambassadors of the game. Nor anything against the Dubs generally - not a culchie v jackeen thing.
But a certain class of Dublin bandwagon jumper like SouthDublinBro is sickening. You'll not hear much from them over the next couple of weeks. They'll be off on another bandwagon - Premiership, Leinster Rugby...
Genuine Dubs will be back out for the League games.
Well done Donegal - flying the flag for Ulster. The real puke was played in Limerick last night.
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
I'll put it to you like this. kerry will never will be as naive tactically today as we were.
We let you off the hook there. However I've no gripes over the 75 mins. the better team won. But if O Gara or conolly finish those chances I don' think you're coming back
Doesn't take away from my point though. It has consistently been a issue people used to question this Donegal team, despite the fact that they've generally answered the question of coming from behind when its been asked of them. They came back from a five point deficit against Tyrone in 2011, they trailed Kildare by three or four points a couple of times in 2011, and now today they reeled in a five point Dublin lead to lead by eight themselves (think Derry were three or four points up on us too this year, although in retrospect there was a little too much hype afforded them after the league). True, they could not come back against Monaghan and Mayo last year, but that was an exhausted side carrying injuries to key players.
I can't argue with that I think 2011 just turned a lot of people off this Donegal team unfortunately. And they've got a lot of unfair press because of it. You couldn't argue with the football they played today.
They are superbly conditioned as well and I imagine their expertise in that sports science area has been helped by the Celtic link. As a result when they go behind they can come back.
But I still think we made it easier then it should have been for them today. Ben Hur and his Chariots could have driven down the centre of our defence today.
Quote from: knockitdown on August 31, 2014, 08:41:37 PM
I wonder how Mark McHugh is feeling tonight....
Delighted I'm sure. Was in the stands going buck mad with the rest of the Donegal fans. Even sweeter as his brother bagged a couple of goals to boot
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
Spot on. It was very impressive. Hard to see any weaknesses in this team.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
One other thing - I hope today's game puts to bed the common consensus that Donegal's success has come only because they never allow themselves to get behind. Five points down after 20 minutes, Flynn and Connolly knocking them over from all angles and distances, Donegal being run ragged by the perennial champions elect...
What was it, a thirteen point turn around fifteen or twenty minutes of football?
Spot on. It was very impressive. Hard to see any weaknesses in this team.
Almost as impressive as reeling in a seven point Mayo lead around the same stage of the game! ;) :D
Well done to Donegal didn't let their heads drop when going through the sticky patch in the opening 15-20 minutes and then took the game to Dublin and powered past them to win pulling up. The Dubs with the talent there and coming through will be back to win more All Irelands however Donegal are true inspiration to any inter-county player/team in Ireland of what can be achieved with hard work and believing in themselves.
To my mind, Neil Gallagher must have been close to MOTM.
Seemed to get on a huge amount of ball and use it well.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
To my mind, Neil Gallagher must have been close to MOTM.
Seemed to get on a huge amount of ball and use it well.
Yep, I would give it Neil Gallagher as well, in fact he had a strong case for MOTM in each of Donegals last 3 games and must be a strong contender for footballer of the year if Donegal win it.
Was delighted to see Donegal win today, it gives everybody else hope that the Dubs are far from unbeatable. Jim McGuinness is a genius for what he has done with that group of players.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
To my mind, Neil Gallagher must have been close to MOTM.
Seemed to get on a huge amount of ball and use it well.
Agreed. Will be some battle between himself and David Moran in the final arguably the two best midfielders on current form.
What happens to Dublin now? Do the players all have to look for jobs?
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
Assuming you are correct, when is the last time a player was pulled for one extra step?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Dare I say Dublin badly missed Ger Brennan today?
I think this is exactly right.
Better team by far on the day won; Connolly and Brogan (alan) the only forwards who did the business for us.
Bernard had a really bad day at the office.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Dare I say Dublin badly missed Ger Brennan today?
I think this is exactly right.
Better team by far on the day won; Connolly and Brogan (alan) the only forwards who did the business for us.
Bernard had a really bad day at the office.
Flynn?
Yes, Flynn too.
Forgot about that after a few drinks.
Congrats on the win!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 09:54:50 PM
Yes, Flynn too.
Forgot about that after a few drinks.
Congrats on the win!
Cheers!
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
5 steps- also was his change of hands with the ball legal?
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
Assuming you are correct, when is the last time a player was pulled for one extra step?
Yeah I made sure to count those steps myself. Vital few baby steps to get around Cluxton and score a match winning goal. Was over carrying and should have been a free out. But was only 5 or 6 steps. I reckon 8 steps is what's allowed now. 9 and you risk getting pulled for it. But if someone is tackling you you are allowed as many steps as it takes to wriggle free and pop the ball off to a colleague. 11 or 12 is not unreasonable. Advantage to the attacker another great rule we are bringing in from other sports.
The ref would be blowing every 10 seconds for every player taking 5 steps.
Anyone who claims that a 5 step goal is contentious hasn't a clue.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 31, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
5 steps- also was his change of hands with the ball legal?
Is there an actual rule that says you cant change hands with the ball or is it just one of these things that people who know nothing about football shout at games.
Also, would have been very harsh to give a free for over carrying on mcfadden.
What about Dublin's famous bench?
I thought they had a set of subs better than everyone else's starting 15. ;D
Quote from: Rodman on August 31, 2014, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 31, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
5 steps- also was his change of hands with the ball legal?
Is there an actual rule that says you cant change hands with the ball or is it just one of these things that people who know nothing about football shout at games.
Also, would have been very harsh to give a free for over carrying on mcfadden.
You can change hands with the ball, as long as both hands are in contact with the ball when the change is made. If you are carrying it in your left, and want to change it to your right, you can do it as long as you put your right hand on the ball before you take your left off it. You can't throw it from one hand to the other basically.
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:39:32 PM
One thing though Indiana... if I remember correctly you've constantly extolled the tactics Dublin employ under Jim Gavin, praising his belief in going man for man and letting the chips fall where they may, with the means being just as important as the ends. Today it didn't work. Are you suggesting that Dublin should have retreated a bit with their five point lead?
yep that's exactly what I'm suggesting. We had no half back line today at times. I've never seen anything like it in 40 years of watching and playing. I can't imagine that's what he expected to happen but we completely panicked today
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:39:32 PM
One thing though Indiana... if I remember correctly you've constantly extolled the tactics Dublin employ under Jim Gavin, praising his belief in going man for man and letting the chips fall where they may, with the means being just as important as the ends. Today it didn't work. Are you suggesting that Dublin should have retreated a bit with their five point lead?
yep that's exactly what I'm suggesting. We had no half back line today at times. I've never seen anything like it in 40 years of watching and playing. I can't imagine that's what he expected to happen but we completely panicked today
Panic or just knackered/not up for it/not hungry enough/seen through
Unbeatable is just crap journalism .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCJz2-uqNmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qriKhvPdA7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_oW21rzr2M
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 31, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 31, 2014, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 31, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
5 steps- also was his change of hands with the ball legal?
Is there an actual rule that says you cant change hands with the ball or is it just one of these things that people who know nothing about football shout at games.
Also, would have been very harsh to give a free for over carrying on mcfadden.
You can change hands with the ball, as long as both hands are in contact with the ball when the change is made. If you are carrying it in your left, and want to change it to your right, you can do it as long as you put your right hand on the ball before you take your left off it. You can't throw it from one hand to the other basically.
Don't think i've ever seen anyone do that, why would a player do that?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 31, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 31, 2014, 08:39:32 PM
One thing though Indiana... if I remember correctly you've constantly extolled the tactics Dublin employ under Jim Gavin, praising his belief in going man for man and letting the chips fall where they may, with the means being just as important as the ends. Today it didn't work. Are you suggesting that Dublin should have retreated a bit with their five point lead?
yep that's exactly what I'm suggesting. We had no half back line today at times. I've never seen anything like it in 40 years of watching and playing. I can't imagine that's what he expected to happen but we completely panicked today
Wow, overhyped, overconfident, overrated team gets turned over.
I've never seen anything like it in my life!
Quote from: Rodman on August 31, 2014, 10:25:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 31, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 31, 2014, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 31, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
5 steps- also was his change of hands with the ball legal?
Is there an actual rule that says you cant change hands with the ball or is it just one of these things that people who know nothing about football shout at games.
Also, would have been very harsh to give a free for over carrying on mcfadden.
You can change hands with the ball, as long as both hands are in contact with the ball when the change is made. If you are carrying it in your left, and want to change it to your right, you can do it as long as you put your right hand on the ball before you take your left off it. You can't throw it from one hand to the other basically.
Don't think i've ever seen anyone do that, why would a player do that?
Hard to foresee why they'd want to alright. But what I'm getting at is it's not a foul to transfer from one hand to the other in the manner I described.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on August 31, 2014, 10:16:18 PM
The ref would be blowing every 10 seconds for every player taking 5 steps.
Anyone who claims that a 5 step goal is contentious hasn't a clue.
I know. It was no where near contentious in the current climate where 8/9 steps when bursting past a defender is the norm. But by the letter of the law he took too many steps. Perhaps the rule should be amended to allow 5 or 6 steps but I would like to see it enforced. Players trying to run past defenders while holding on to the ball like its rugby are contributing to the problem we have of defining the tackle. It also contributes to worse football through less catch and kick. It took the best player in Ireland, Higgins of Mayo, yesterday to show the art of tackling and man marking. When every player is allowed to over carry at will no other player has a hope of holding up a quick or powerful forward. I just think that it's ridiculous that this is another rule at the discretion of the ref.
Missed a few pages here! I was at the the game today as a neutral. Best team won.
One of the things I noticed was the fact that dublin being portrayed as the saviours of lovely Gaelic football is a myth! Probably not visible on tv but the way Ross o'carroll behaved today off the ball with Murphy and others was appalling. Then when Murphy got on top of him all he could offer was swiping at him running away!!!!
Ps Jim Gavin is a serious bad loser - not so smug today!
Looking forward tot the final!
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
Missed a few pages here! I was at the the game today as a neutral. Best team won.
One of the things I noticed was the fact that dublin being portrayed as the saviours of lovely Gaelic football is a myth! Probably not visible on tv but the way Ross o'carroll behaved today off the ball with Murphy and others was appalling. Then when Murphy got on top of him all he could offer was swiping at him running away!!!!
Ps Jim Gavin is a serious bad loser - not so smug today!
Looking forward tot the final!
Classy post well done
Classy? Coming from a dub? :o
You disagree then? Did you watch o'carroll?
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
McEntee knew the craic!!!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/tony-mcentee/tony-mcentee-pre-mortem-can-help-jim-avoid-the-ifs-and-buts-284229.html
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Talk about too many steps for a goal is absurd. Everybody takes too many steps these days; Kevin Mc has scored some crackers for us by doing exactly that. Made not one bit of difference; only one team in it in the second half, and fair play to them.
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Just curious, who from the Dublin camp was referring to our team as 'saviours' of anything?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Just curious, who from the Dublin camp was referring to our team as 'saviours' of anything?
More so the media - led by the dublin pr wing!!! Jim Gavin and the boys etc!!!
Brilliant performance by Donegal, thoug it was the first time I actually enjoyed them playing football.
The 2 best teams are in final
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:14:19 PM
Talk about too many steps for a goal is absurd. Everybody takes too many steps these days; Kevin Mc has scored some crackers for us by doing exactly that. Made not one bit of difference; only one team in it in the second half, and fair play to them.
Fair comment and I know this made no difference either but Paddy McBrearty seemed to take about 12 steps before he kicked a point too.
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Just curious, who from the Dublin camp was referring to our team as 'saviours' of anything?
More so the media - led by the dublin pr wing!!! Jim Gavin and the boys etc!!!
Yeah, the media said shit like that, and Dublin supporters recognized it for what it was. So why did you say that you'd heard this stuff from Dublin supporters?
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Off to bed kid. School starts tomorrow. We never promoted ourselves as the saviours of anything. And the genuine GAA fan (of which you're not one) knows that
Absolutely magnificent Donegal performance. Just brilliant. I was full sure we would be beaten today and my hope was that we would leave with our pride intact. This bunch of lads didn't read the script though.
So many great performances. Big Neil and Odhran were class, Ryan was everywhere and when introduced, Paddy McBrearty and Christy made real impacts. Just a group of warriors.
Brilliant win for the minors too - heady days for us!
Hard luck to Dublin.
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
5 steps for Mac faddens goal. I wonder is it because they were small steps the officials let it off. Was at a crucial time in the match.
It was a strange goal.
He was so low on confidence he took an age to just kick the shagging thing.
Massive stuff from donegal, congratulations and I hope ye win it
The Dubs will be back next year
It will take some team to put back to back all Irelands
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 31, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
where were half these posters before the game, all seem to come out of the woodwork always after a win
Well I posted 10 times in this thread before the game - not that I'm counting! Lol
Stop avoiding the question lads! Take your beating I heard enough rubbish from dub supporters today 'the saviours' of Gaelic football!
Just curious, who from the Dublin camp was referring to our team as 'saviours' of anything?
More so the media - led by the dublin pr wing!!! Jim Gavin and the boys etc!!!
Yeah, the media said shit like that, and Dublin supporters recognized it for what it was. So why did you say that you'd heard this stuff from Dublin supporters?
I've highlighted the statement please read in context! I know it's hard for you but please try. I would go into what I heard from some dub supporters today but it would take too long! I might explain tomorrow at lunchtime in school if I have time!
Don't be bad losers now lads!!! #5inarow lol
Diarmuid Connolly scored 4 of the best points I've seen in Croke Park today.
Unbelievable skill & balance.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Diarmuid Connolly scored 4 of the best points I've seen in Croke Park today.
Unbelievable skill & balance.
Agreed - stand out performer for the dubs!
Thought Flynn scored 3 mighty points too, Dublin didnt lose the game with those 2 men though they did miss a few near the end
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Fair play to Donegal. Better team won on the day. You made Monaghan look like a complete joke.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Hope that's not true. Complete class act, and great player; one of the few real leaders for us on the pitch today. More to give, if he feels like giving it.
Some other thoughts
Good
The unassailable trust in themselves and each other that the lads have
Ryan McHugh looks like he was made for this stage - easy to forget that this is his first year established on the team
The impact of our subs (Toye, McBrearty)
Flynn - just class
The new sound insulation they put in front of the hill is working really well
Michael Murphy - he's not bad is he?
17/25 success rate - according to @dontfoul, that's the best in the last 3 championships
Bad
Rory O'Carrolls antics all day long - a disgrace
Joe's performance
The Donegal lad blowing the whistle
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 31, 2014, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Hope that's not true. Complete class act, and great player; one of the few real leaders for us on the pitch today. More to give, if he feels like giving it.
Looked like a guy retiring when he was walking off the field.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZr83uIEAAKgYM.jpg)
Fantastic player.
He would have wanted to go out on a high obviously, but he has 2 all ireland medals and I dunno how many all-stars in his arse pocket.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZr83uIEAAKgYM.jpg)
Fantastic player.
He would have wanted to go out on a high obviously, but he has 2 all ireland medals and I dunno how many all-stars in his arse pocket.
Was that pic today, Jinxy?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZr83uIEAAKgYM.jpg)
Fantastic player.
He would have wanted to go out on a high obviously, but he has 2 all ireland medals and I dunno how many all-stars in his arse pocket.
He's done ok! Has a nice collection of medals. There's many a Dublin player who played with him who never seen a celtic cross.
Quote from: StephenC on August 31, 2014, 11:56:15 PM
Some other thoughts
Good
The unassailable trust in themselves and each other that the lads have
Ryan McHugh looks like he was made for this stage - easy to forget that this is his first year established on the team
The impact of our subs (Toye, McBrearty)
Flynn - just class
The new sound insulation they put in front of the hill is working really well
Michael Murphy - he's not bad is he?
17/25 success rate - according to @dontfoul, that's the best in the last 3 championships
Bad
Rory O'Carrolls antics all day long - a disgrace
Joe's performance
The Donegal lad blowing the whistle
what did Rory O' Carroll do?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 01, 2014, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZr83uIEAAKgYM.jpg)
Fantastic player.
He would have wanted to go out on a high obviously, but he has 2 all ireland medals and I dunno how many all-stars in his arse pocket.
Was that pic today, Jinxy?
Yeah, there's a load more online.
With the benefit of hindsight, it's pretty obvious looking at them now that this was his last game.
I'm having a debate with a friend over mcfaddens goal, I think it was illegal, he thinks it wasn't. My point being he had it in two hands then passed it from left to right which I don't think you can do, does anyone know the rule?
not sure the rule but little looked wrong with the goal. I remember a player of ours getting blown up in a junior game back in the 90`s with a basketball round the back hand switch (hell looked cool) which the ref blew for switching hands with the ball round his back, to me the handpass was legal if he kept both hands on the ball when switching hands but if he flicked it to the other hand it as a foul.; so this ref reckoned anyway. never did check the rule!
Donegal needed goals today and got them at vital stages.
Goals win matches as they say. Dublin defence were run tagged and the difference between Donegal and those who had tried to beat Dublin before was that Donegal were able to not only defend well but attack after the turnover was made. The conditioning of both teams was incredible. The hits in the 2 semi finals over the weekend was very similar to rugby and the game is becoming more like rugby every day with teams going through the phases and tactics. No more 15 v 15.
Jim Mc Guinness has done it again - question is - can he finish it off ?
Can't wait for the final now.
No F16 fighters or skydivers will be needed on 21st to create an atmosphere.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 01, 2014, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: StephenC on August 31, 2014, 11:56:15 PM
Some other thoughts
Good
The unassailable trust in themselves and each other that the lads have
Ryan McHugh looks like he was made for this stage - easy to forget that this is his first year established on the team
The impact of our subs (Toye, McBrearty)
Flynn - just class
The new sound insulation they put in front of the hill is working really well
Michael Murphy - he's not bad is he?
17/25 success rate - according to @dontfoul, that's the best in the last 3 championships
Bad
Rory O'Carrolls antics all day long - a disgrace
Joe's performance
The Donegal lad blowing the whistle
what did Rory O' Carroll do?
Starting to wonder if you were at the game? I could list some of the things he was at but don't want to go down that road - my point is don't pretend (like the majority) that dublin are whiter than white!!!!
Not to sound sour Donegal were the better side, but Michael Murphy deserves to be retroactively banned over his "yellow card" incident. Great player, but a nasty piece of work.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2014, 12:30:50 AM
Not to sound sour Donegal were the better side, but Michael Murphy deserves to be retroactively banned over his "yellow card" incident. Great player, but a nasty piece of work.
Seriously committed player who puts in a lot of big hits that stop the player. He certainly puts himself about and is a real team player.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 01, 2014, 12:30:50 AM
Not to sound sour Donegal were the better side, but Michael Murphy deserves to be retroactively banned over his "yellow card" incident. Great player, but a nasty piece of work.
IMO Murphy deserves a medal (possibly an all Ireland) for not giving in - cause most men would of scattered o'carroll if he carryed on like that to them!
Quote from: Hardy on August 31, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
The other thing biting them is lack of defending practice.
For me, that was the key.
For the third Donegal goal, half of them were standing on halfway scratching their heads.
McGuinness shafted Gavin.
They say that the victors get to write the history books & reading some of the posts on here backs that up.
Donegal played really well today but truth be told Dublin could & maybe should have been out of sight after 20 minutes. However you have to take your chances & when Donegal started to get a grip in midfield McGuinness's tactics began to work.
The amount of space Donegal got through the middle was unbelievable, even Antrim were tighter, but what really surprised me was how Dublin lost their composure when the going got tough. Some of the shooting was really poor & most unlike them.
Look, this is still a great bunch of players who had a bad day at the office. Back to backs are hard & they will learn a lot from this & be back. I have no doubt that they will win more All Ireland's but I am also glad that the fear of them steamrolling everyone in sight for the next few years has been allayed.
Finally, a big well done to the Dub supporters, both here & in Croke Park, who have been very magnanimous on what has to be a difficult day.
Now, if anyone can get me a ticket for the final.........
Quote from: Mario on September 01, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
I'm having a debate with a friend over mcfaddens goal, I think it was illegal, he thinks it wasn't. My point being he had it in two hands then passed it from left to right which I don't think you can do, does anyone know the rule?
If you have the ball in your left hand and throw it to your right hand it's a foul,tho rarely given.if you have the ball in your left hand,bring it back into your right hand and both hands are touching the ball,then control it with your right,there is no foul.from only seeing it in real time mcfaddens goal was legal.much like mulligans famous goal which brought up the same debate.
Commiserations to the Dubs here. Enthralling to watch. Any intercounty player in the country would have to be raring to get stuck into training after watching that - nothing is impossible.
Quote from: east down gael on September 01, 2014, 12:49:46 AM
Quote from: Mario on September 01, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
I'm having a debate with a friend over mcfaddens goal, I think it was illegal, he thinks it wasn't. My point being he had it in two hands then passed it from left to right which I don't think you can do, does anyone know the rule?
If you have the ball in your left hand and throw it to your right hand it's a foul,tho rarely given.if you have the ball in your left hand,bring it back into your right hand and both hands are touching the ball,then control it with your right,there is no foul.from only seeing it in real time mcfaddens goal was legal.much like mulligans famous goal which brought up the same debate.
I thought the rule change was brought in sometime after mulligans goal, just nearly sure I've seen frees given for it before
Congratulations to Donegal - huge commitment and heart as expected, but brilliant skill and ruthless execution was the difference on the day. Good luck in the final. I think this is a bit of a golden age for football with teams like Donegal, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry all knocking about and all capable of beating each other on any given day. Reminds me of the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran days in boxing.
As for us?
Well, we had no plan B. And I really think (and have thought since the Monaghan match) that Jim needs to stop doing his Claudio Ranieri impression every time he picks the team. I think even he got caught up in the whole best panel thing. Although of course, it is great to have options, we need to have a settled first 15. And we need to start playing players in their best positions.
I think at this level, Jonny Cooper is not a centre back, he needs to be in the full back line. I think we need to face the fact that Cian at centre back is a far better option for the team than him at midfield. At midfield we need a more traditional high fielding option to complement MDMA - especially when you have midfielders like Neil Gallagher and David Moran who are well able to win 50/50 ball in the air. Once people have Cluxton's kick outs sussed, we have very little other options. I don't know whether that means bringing Flynner back, or moving James McCarthy forward but it needs to be investigated.
As for the panicking and the wides, I just think we had a systems meltdown and had a very bad day under immense pressure from an excellent team. Doesn't mean players like Berno or Kev Mc have become bad overnight - they will be back. The only upside to yesterday is that some of the hysterical stuff talked on this board about Dublin dominance and financial doping can be seen for the bilge that it was.
Donegal will need to replicate this performance to beat Kerry - I hope the final is a classic. Up the Dubs.
Yes it must be said the dubs have brought a lot to the championship for the 2 years and more. Hard luck to them.
Quote from: Mario on September 01, 2014, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: east down gael on September 01, 2014, 12:49:46 AM
Quote from: Mario on September 01, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
I'm having a debate with a friend over mcfaddens goal, I think it was illegal, he thinks it wasn't. My point being he had it in two hands then passed it from left to right which I don't think you can do, does anyone know the rule?
If you have the ball in your left hand and throw it to your right hand it's a foul,tho rarely given.if you have the ball in your left hand,bring it back into your right hand and both hands are touching the ball,then control it with your right,there is no foul.from only seeing it in real time mcfaddens goal was legal.much like mulligans famous goal which brought up the same debate.
I thought the rule change was brought in sometime after mulligans goal, just nearly sure I've seen frees given for it before
I thought it was OK.
Murphy got away with a pretty blatant push in the back of Rory O'Carroll in lead up to first goal. Exactly the type of incident that would have resulted in a free in if roles had been reversed.
Two features for me of this football season have been:
- unpunished illegal handpasses
- referees favouring the team in arrears ( probably all has been so)
Quote from: WT4E on September 01, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 01, 2014, 12:05:36 AM
Quote from: StephenC on August 31, 2014, 11:56:15 PM
Some other thoughts
Good
The unassailable trust in themselves and each other that the lads have
Ryan McHugh looks like he was made for this stage - easy to forget that this is his first year established on the team
The impact of our subs (Toye, McBrearty)
Flynn - just class
The new sound insulation they put in front of the hill is working really well
Michael Murphy - he's not bad is he?
17/25 success rate - according to @dontfoul, that's the best in the last 3 championships
Bad
Rory O'Carrolls antics all day long - a disgrace
Joe's performance
The Donegal lad blowing the whistle
what did Rory O' Carroll do?
Starting to wonder if you were at the game? I could list some of the things he was at but don't want to go down that road - my point is don't pretend (like the majority) that dublin are whiter than white!!!!
Sorry but ridiculous to single out ROC for anything yesterday. Plenty of digs and what not going on all over. Made no difference to anything. Better team won but if that doesn't satisfy enough, then yes try single out one player ,who happens to be a Dub, for a bit of tarnishing
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Would be a shame. To me could at least be an impact player for another year and would be great influence to the younger lads like Kilkenny when he comes back
Congrats Donegal. Faster, stronger, hungrier and better. Best of luck in the final.
Well done to Donegal.
Jimmy had the comfort of a recent AI to blend new blood into the squad without any self inflicted pressure. Small things like that make a huge difference. In saying that he comes across as having a huge empathy and connection with his players. A class act altogether.
People criticized their defensive style (myself included) but yesterday was a masterclass in counter attacking that was a joy to watch.
The final and the whole build up will be interesting.
I'm for Donegal on this one. Hope ta f**k i don't put a jinx on them though!
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on September 01, 2014, 09:12:24 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Would be a shame. To me could at least be an impact player for another year and would be great influence to the younger lads like Kilkenny when he comes back
samesies...looked bucked at the end emotionally. Great player. Will be missed.
Hat off to Donegal, that was some performance yesterday. The hunger , especially after the Mayo game last year. Incredible stuff. Donegal had some real stand out players, but the man who epitomised their drive and will to win was Paddy McGrath. He was everywhere. Fine player
Hard to call the winner.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 01, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on September 01, 2014, 09:12:24 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
It's rumoured Alan Brogan has retired.
He looked absolutely devastated at the end.
Would be a shame. To me could at least be an impact player for another year and would be great influence to the younger lads like Kilkenny when he comes back
samesies...looked bucked at the end emotionally. Great player. Will be missed.
Hat off to Donegal, that was some performance yesterday. The hunger , especially after the Mayo game last year. Incredible stuff. Donegal had some real stand out players, but the man who epitomised their drive and will to win was Paddy McGrath. He was everywhere. Fine player
Hard to call the winner.
No problem losing to Donegal with the way they played the game yesterday. They got everything right and practically all players were at least 8/10 perfomers. Can only really say for us that Connolly , Flynn (outstanding) and Paddy Andrews (too late a sub imo) played at their best. Could have done with Ger Brennan in that he would've brought a bit of discipline to our ,too often, vacant CB area. Lessons to be learned.
Got to go with Donegal for the final if they reproduce that in 3 weeks. They were outstanding.
Quote from: hardstation on September 01, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
YEEEHAAAA!!!
Dublin are not unbeatable. Indeed, their defence is quite poor. They could easily have conceded 5 goals yesterday.
Great performance by Donegal though.
No shit ::)
Immense from Donegal, thought Gallagher was brilliant...........................looking forward to a traditional midfield battle in the final with Moran vs Gallagher
Quote from: bcarrier on September 01, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Two features for me of this football season have been:
- unpunished illegal handpasses
- referees favouring the team in arrears ( probably all has been so)
And no 3 - the new 40 steps rule....
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 01, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Two features for me of this football season have been:
- unpunished illegal handpasses
- referees favouring the team in arrears ( probably all has been so)
And no 3 - the new 40 steps rule....
No 4: Two hops are ok if you're in a tight spot.
Quote from: Chimley on September 01, 2014, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 01, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Two features for me of this football season have been:
- unpunished illegal handpasses
- referees favouring the team in arrears ( probably all has been so)
And no 3 - the new 40 steps rule....
No 4: Two hops are ok if you're in a tight spot.
You can run the length of the field hoping the ball with one hand basket ball style as long as you dont put your two hands on it
I suspect if Donegal win this All Ireland it would potentially be sweeter than the first one for McGuinness.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on September 01, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
I suspect if Donegal win this All Ireland it would potentially be sweeter than the first one for McGuinness.
They've completed the set of teams to beat yesterday. It will be a tough ask to beat Kerry in the final. The Kerrymen have a habit of atoning for previous slights.
Who was marking McHugh?
Jack McCaffrey in the 1st half, no one in the 2nd!
Yesterday was a great day for Gaelic football. Donegal were superb. I seen Ryan McHugh during comórtas peile na Gaeltachta and he was unstoppable, he was the same yesterday. Hopefully lads will stop complaining about Donegals style of football now. You're allowed to defend in Gaelic football, it's not against the rules and Donegals defending was outstanding. Their counter attacks were great to watch aswell, the speed of them was something else. Kerry v Donegal should be a great final, one we can all enjoy with two teams there on merit and competing fairly.
As for Dubl$n, the embarrassment for them is huge. Millions upon millions upon millions of resources have gone into their team, aig on board this year, all the players with their free cars and fuel, time off work, every championship game at home, they even had their own personal ref with them and they got destroyed by little, oul Donegal. ;D Everything was laid out on a plate for them to win this All Ireland and they couldn't do it. It really is embarrassing but it's great for everyone that likes to see teams competing fairly win and the financial dopers lose.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 01, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
Yesterday was a great day for Gaelic football. Donegal were superb. I seen Ryan McHugh during comórtas peile na Gaeltachta and he was unstoppable, he was the same yesterday. Hopefully lads will stop complaining about Donegals style of football now. You're allowed to defend in Gaelic football, it's not against the rules and Donegals defending was outstanding. Their counter attacks were great to watch aswell, the speed of them was something else. Kerry v Donegal should be a great final, one we can all enjoy with two teams there on merit and competing fairly.
As for Dubl$n, the embarrassment for them is huge. Millions upon millions upon millions of resources have gone into their team, aig on board this year, all the players with their free cars and fuel, time off work, every championship game at home, they even had their own personal ref with them and they got destroyed by little, oul Donegal. ;D Everything was laid out on a plate for them to win this All Ireland and they couldn't do it. It really is embarrassing but it's great for everyone that likes to see teams competing fairly win and the financial dopers lose.
No mention of the thousands being poured into the Donegal team? You do know they were at Johnstown for 5 days there a couple of weeks ago all expenses paid!!
Personally I have nothing against either team but Donegal have a few foreign sugar daddys who are forking over plenty of cash that other Counties wouldn't have access to!
Harsh and uncalled for....
Dublin bought into the hype, it happens time and time again, but what group of footballers could be protected against it. Their heads on billboards all over the capital. Too much for amateur players to contend with. But beyond that what was confirmed was that the Dubs have a soft underbelly and this was the first time we witnessed that in 4 years, it is there... just hadn't been tested.
But despite that the Dub lads have attacked so well and scored some amazing totals this year and deserve enormous credit for trying it this way but many feel that its not the way Gaelic football is meant to be played... otherwise we would all be at it. It needs defenders that are teak tough, midfielders that cover back and can win their own ball. I expect a "What now for Dublin" thread to highlight all this.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 01, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
Yesterday was a great day for Gaelic football. Donegal were superb. I seen Ryan McHugh during comórtas peile na Gaeltachta and he was unstoppable, he was the same yesterday. Hopefully lads will stop complaining about Donegals style of football now. You're allowed to defend in Gaelic football, it's not against the rules and Donegals defending was outstanding. Their counter attacks were great to watch aswell, the speed of them was something else. Kerry v Donegal should be a great final, one we can all enjoy with two teams there on merit and competing fairly.
As for Dubl$n, the embarrassment for them is huge. Millions upon millions upon millions of resources have gone into their team, aig on board this year, all the players with their free cars and fuel, time off work, every championship game at home, they even had their own personal ref with them and they got destroyed by little, oul Donegal. ;D Everything was laid out on a plate for them to win this All Ireland and they couldn't do it. It really is embarrassing but it's great for everyone that likes to see teams competing fairly win and the financial dopers lose.
surely even more money will be poured into Dublin now? Donegal have prob spent as much on their senior team as Dublin in recent years
anyways, was good for the game that Dublin were shown to be beatable. Not good for the Dubs fans right enough but they'll get over it. 2 absolutely absorbing games over the weekend.
Massive game by Donegal yesterday. I felt the Dubs panicked a bit once Donegal got the first goal. They didn't recover from that and the result was never in doubt.
Let's not kid ourselves though. Both teams pump vast amounts of resources into the thing from different sources and the players from both counties very seldom play any games with their clubs. They're both very professional outfits.
The Dubs will be back. They deserve great credit and are a joy to watch for the neutral. Yesterday shows they can be beaten which is probably a good thing for the game.
Kerry might just pose Donegal more problems than a lot of people think although the men from the hills will start favorites.
Firstly well done to Donegal.
From our viewpoint you deserve nothing if you squander to gilt edged goal chances like we did.
I am being harsh I know but the Management will have to take a small amount of flak for this game (non performing players must take the most ) just as they took praise from last year but I am only being mildly critical .Thought Paul Mannion and Bastick should have made earlier entries but maybe they were injured or out of form at training.
Cian O'Sullivan imo should be in the backs full stop.
Heard that we won the Arrabawn (sic) tournament in the underage hurling at the weekend .
NFL, U 21 winners with the Ladies in the final . Not too bad a year imo.
Hopefully we can regroup and give the big symbolic one in 2016 a right rattle.
Well done again to Donegal......... deserved winners.
Quote from: rrhf on September 01, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
Harsh and uncalled for....
Dublin bought into the hype, it happens time and time again, but what group of footballers could be protected against it. Their heads on billboards all over the capital. Too much for amateur players to contend with. But beyond that what was confirmed was that the Dubs have a soft underbelly and this was the first time we witnessed that in 4 years, it is there... just hadn't been tested.
But despite that the Dub lads have attacked so well and scored some amazing totals this year and deserve enormous credit for trying it this way but many feel that its not the way Gaelic football is meant to be played... otherwise we would all be at it. It needs defenders that are teak tough, midfielders that cover back and can win their own ball. I expect a "What now for Dublin" thread to highlight all this.
A lot of us signed up to the idea that Dublin, like anyone else, could lose a one off knock on any given day. It happened.
Like Donegal losing 2013, defeat does not mean a huge overhaul. Ye learn and ye try come back. Hard to understand how we've a soft underbelly when we've bagged 2 x AIs. What does that make everyone else?
A lot of guff talked about us crumbling under pressure - wasn't the case in 2011 when we came back from four points down against Kerry, in 2012 when we nearly recovered a 10 point deficit against Mayo, in 2013 when we went toe to toe against Kerry and then closed it out against Mayo with only 13 fit men on the pitch. Character is one thing this Dublin side is not short of.
Is it not enough to say that Donegal played a truly brilliant game today and we were beaten by a better team? I've never warmed to McGuinness but his comments to Keith Duggan below have only heightened my respect for him, and should be required reading for all those bleating about Dublin domination for the majority of the summer.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-brought-potential-to-glorious-reality-1.1913712
An awesome performance by Donegal and the greatest coaching performance in the history of the game from McGuinness. Dublin can have no complaints whatsoever. They fell hook, line and sinker for Donegal's trap. Once they lost their composure there was only going to be one winner.
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 01, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
A lot of guff talked about us crumbling under pressure - wasn't the case in 2011 when we came back from four points down against Kerry, in 2012 when we nearly recovered a 10 point deficit against Mayo, in 2013 when we went toe to toe against Kerry and then closed it out against Mayo with only 13 fit men on the pitch. Character is one thing this Dublin side is not short of.
Is it not enough to say that Donegal played a truly brilliant game today and we were beaten by a better team? I've never warmed to McGuinness but his comments to Keith Duggan below have only heightened my respect for him, and should be required reading for all those bleating about Dublin domination for the majority of the summer.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-brought-potential-to-glorious-reality-1.1913712
I'm having a ball today taking the piss out of people who have been moaning about out future domination. Every cloud.
In fairness lads, one game doesn't determine anything either way. It's hard to say that this defeat shows the Dublin project isn't well on schedule. It's just a bump on the road.
Quote from: Sidney on September 01, 2014, 12:55:04 PM
An awesome performance by Donegal and the greatest coaching performance in the history of the game from McGuinness. Dublin can have no complaints whatsoever. They fell hook, line and sinker for Donegal's trap. Once they lost their composure there was only going to be one winner.
It was good alright Sidney but the best ever? What were the other contenders ?
My own da was going on to me about Eugene McGee in 82 - he was saying you could have got Offaly at 10/1 for that game - i was only an ankle biter at the time so don't really remember it live, but from everything I've read about it McGee put in severe tactical thinking for that - he was conciously encouraging the team to only peak for the final, he made huge switches such as Richie Connor to centre forward etc. Certainly up there with McGuinness.
Heffernan v Kerry in 76 was probably another one - an entirely retooled half back line, Hanahoe roaming to leave space etc.
Sean Boylan in 96 - incredible about turn from the year before, very young side.
John O'Mahoney with Galway 98 - using traditional, foot passing, high fielding tactics to beat a hand passing, possession based kildare side.
Mickey Harte v Kerry in 2003 - very controversial but an extremely effective tactical plan.
I wouldn't actually rate Micko as a great tactican - i think his strength was to keep incredibley talented players motivated and working collectively.
If anything yesterday proves that it's savage hard to put back to back titles together
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 02:00:17 PM
In fairness lads, one game doesn't determine anything either way. It's hard to say that this defeat shows the Dublin project isn't well on schedule. It's just a bump on the road.
It proves domination is impossible in the modern game. Some very silly journalists out there today.
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
No team will ever win a 3 in a row. Man United won a number of premierships in a row.
Big problem for Dublin ironically is the shit state of Leinster football . The Leinster championship is a non contest now. It should be identified as a black spot in the GAA and money pumped in to help some of the counties.
It was the considered opinion that Dublin were the best team around . With that theory comfortably dispelled it shows Leinster football to be what it is. a waste ground
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
No team will ever win a 3 in a row. Man United won a number of premierships in a row.
Big problem for Dublin ironically is the shit state of Leinster football . The Leinster championship is a non contest now. It should be identified as a black spot in the GAA and money pumped in to help some of the counties.
It was the considered opinion that Dublin were the best team around . With that theory comfortably dispelled it shows Leinster football to be what it is. a waste ground
Mayo had a similar problem in Connacht.
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
Dublin lost one game. They may well still be the best team around. And I agree about money for the other counties. We need it in Tipp too :)
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
No team will ever win a 3 in a row. Man United won a number of premierships in a row.
Big problem for Dublin ironically is the shit state of Leinster football . The Leinster championship is a non contest now. It should be identified as a black spot in the GAA and money pumped in to help some of the counties.
It was the considered opinion that Dublin were the best team around . With that theory comfortably dispelled it shows Leinster football to be what it is. a waste ground
I like that. Spend money elsewhere to help Dublin become stronger by providing more competition ;D
Brendan Devenney must be feeling vindicated this morning. There were a few eyebrows raised following his post - Ulster final comments about Dublin not being able to handle Donegal.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
No team will ever win a 3 in a row. Man United won a number of premierships in a row.
Big problem for Dublin ironically is the shit state of Leinster football . The Leinster championship is a non contest now. It should be identified as a black spot in the GAA and money pumped in to help some of the counties.
It was the considered opinion that Dublin were the best team around . With that theory comfortably dispelled it shows Leinster football to be what it is. a waste ground
Mayo had a similar problem in Connacht.
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
Kerry had an easy run in Munster too, so what does that tell you?
Delighted for Donegal. Hope and think they can beat Kerry now. As for Dublin, did they read that papers too much?
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
Brendan Devenney must be feeling vindicated this morning. There were a few eyebrows raised following his post - Ulster final comments about Dublin not being able to handle Donegal.
In fairness many of those raised eyebrows were in Donegal. Judging by the bookies odds there was absolutely no money coming onto Donegal - from anywhere
We'd probably have 50 AI by now if we had stronger competition in Munster.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 01, 2014, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Define domination? Do you take it as winning every game, every year? If so, then yes, that is impossible because on a one off day, anything can happen.
But can you be consistently the best, most competitive team around, while shipping the occasional defeat? Yes you can. And that's what I mean by dominating. Man United dominated English soccer for 20 years, but they didn't win everything.
No team will ever win a 3 in a row. Man United won a number of premierships in a row.
Big problem for Dublin ironically is the shit state of Leinster football . The Leinster championship is a non contest now. It should be identified as a black spot in the GAA and money pumped in to help some of the counties.
It was the considered opinion that Dublin were the best team around . With that theory comfortably dispelled it shows Leinster football to be what it is. a waste ground
Mayo had a similar problem in Connacht.
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
Kerry had an easy run in Munster too, so what does that tell you?
Kerry and Kilkenny run a different model.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 01, 2014, 03:45:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
Brendan Devenney must be feeling vindicated this morning. There were a few eyebrows raised following his post - Ulster final comments about Dublin not being able to handle Donegal.
In fairness many of those raised eyebrows were in Donegal. Judging by the bookies odds there was absolutely no money coming onto Donegal - from anywhere
No, I know that! Even one of the McGees was commenting on it, although his objection was that it was disrespectful to Armagh (and Monaghan) to be even discussing the match-up.
I thought it was stretching towards wishful thinking myself, but Devenney called it correctly, saying that Donegal's defensive prowess and intensity would eventually frustrate Dublin.
Dublin's problems are a bit like what Brian Cody's were in Kilkenny about a decade ago.
In Leinster, Meath and Kildare are no longer willing or able to raise a gallop against Dublin.
Same as with Kilkenny where Offaly and Wexford lost the hunger for the fight after a couple of trimmings.
The ease in which Kilkenny breezed through Leinster contributed to Galway's ambushes of them in 2001 and 2005. Kilkenny became even more ruthless afterwards.
Dublin may have to prepare for future campaigns on the basis that they won't get hit with live ammo until August.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
That sadly is very true.
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
Brendan Devenney must be feeling vindicated this morning. There were a few eyebrows raised following his post - Ulster final comments about Dublin not being able to handle Donegal.
Vindicated? He fell over himself back peddling on that comment for the past two weeks.
Quote from: Zulu on September 01, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 01, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
Brendan Devenney must be feeling vindicated this morning. There were a few eyebrows raised following his post - Ulster final comments about Dublin not being able to handle Donegal.
Vindicated? He fell over himself back peddling on that comment for the past two weeks.
Hadn't seen that.
Should have stood his ground if that is the case!
I did hear him clarify that he had been asked to give his opinion on the potential match up and was not being disrespectful to Armagh.
Who on earth could Ewan MacKenna be referring to on twitter just now? ;D
QuoteLaughing at abuse on various forums today. Just for record, I'm not 'out of work' regardless of poster 'being glad I am'. Hate to disappoint
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2014, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
That sadly is very true.
Makes the All stars quite boring .
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2014, 07:42:27 PM
Who on earth could Ewan MacKenna be referring to on twitter just now? ;D
QuoteLaughing at abuse on various forums today. Just for record, I'm not 'out of work' regardless of poster 'being glad I am'. Hate to disappoint
Ewan is very good poster on the Kildare forum, gets into lots of debates but always presents his arguments well and never resorts to abuse. Had to laugh last night when a Dublin supporter tweeted him to tell him he was unfollowing him, that's like ringing someone to tell them you never going to call them again.
I find him very contrarian and a bit of a know all. Joe Brolly lite.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 08:46:02 PM
I find him very contrarian and a bit of a know all. Joe Brolly lite.
I don't disagree, just think he's a good poster in that he stirs debate. An articulate Dont Matter so to speak.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 01, 2014, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Big gap as well between the top 4 and the also rans.
That sadly is very true.
Armagh and Roscommon got within one point of Donegal,Mayo and Kerry were pushed all the way by Clare. The gap would close if the also rans believed in themselves a bit more.
Ah it's the salt of the earth Dubs true character coming out for all to see. Scratch the surface and you'll find that level of nastiness amongst many of them.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 01, 2014, 08:55:41 PM
I don't disagree, just think he's a good poster in that he stirs debate. An articulate Dont Matter so to speak.
Ya got that backwards, Dont Matter can articulate with the best of them.
squire, that sort of stuff is unacceptable. Cop on.
Don't Matter, your stuff about Alan Brogan is also OTT, and also out of order.
Behave like adults, or get lost.
I'm amazed at how much fury Ewan can generate amongst the Dubs.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 01, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I'm amazed at how much fury Ewan can generate amongst the Dubs.
In fairness I stopped following him on Twitter (although I didn't tweet to tell him so) because I find his manner very condescending and the tone of his tweets as being overwhelmingly self-regarding and arrogant.
As we used to say up at home, "If he was made of chocolate, he'd give the day eating himself".
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 01, 2014, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 01, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
I'm amazed at how much fury Ewan can generate amongst the Dubs.
In fairness I stopped following him on Twitter (although I didn't tweet to tell him so) because I find his manner very condescending and the tone of his tweets as being overwhelmingly self-regarding and arrogant.
As we used to say up at home, "If he was made of chocolate, he'd give the day eating himself".
I wouldn't be a huge fan myself. He's a decent writer and good interviewer but I wouldn't agree with the content of a lot of his opinion pieces. He seems to take up entrenched positions on a lot of topics for the sake of it.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 01, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Ah it's the salt of the earth Dubs true character coming out for all to see. Scratch the surface and you'll find that level of nastiness amongst many
Like the dub supporter I met outside croke park who let a roar out of him on the way out - "come on to f*ck Kerry!' Lol who thinks like that???
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 01, 2014, 08:39:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2014, 07:42:27 PM
Who on earth could Ewan MacKenna be referring to on twitter just now? ;D
QuoteLaughing at abuse on various forums today. Just for record, I'm not 'out of work' regardless of poster 'being glad I am'. Hate to disappoint
Ewan is very good poster on the Kildare forum, gets into lots of debates but always presents his arguments well and never resorts to abuse. Had to laugh last night when a Dublin supporter tweeted him to tell him he was unfollowing him, that's like ringing someone to tell them you never going to call them again.
Arguably the most biased and bitter journalist out there towards us. I could put up an almanac of his work and his agenda against Dublin GAA. Most of them give us a fair go but he's just poison.
I never read any of his bile anymore. As for following him on Twitter I'd be more likely to follow the Israeli Parliament.
I'm a wee bit behind here but well done Donegal on a superb performance, great to see. Go on and make sure you get Sam now.
I think I say this every year but IMHO when it comes down to the last 4, there's a much of a muchness with factors like fitness and workmanship. However I think those who believe that bit stronger have the edge.
You could see the Donegal body language change from F##k we're gonna get hammered here to our tactics to frustrate them is working and now these awesome footballers have doubts and can't kick points from 30 yards now.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 02, 2014, 11:22:37 PM
I think I say this every year but IMHO when it comes down to the last 4, there's a much of a muchness with factors like fitness and workmanship. However I think those who believe that bit stronger have the edge.
You could see the Donegal body language change from F##k we're gonna get hammered here to our tactics to frustrate them is working and now these awesome footballers have doubts and can't kick points from 30 yards now.
It was like watching you against us in 2010.
Just seeing this picture with all the expressions now.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10612711_929472740412736_5226739376138171332_n.jpg?oh=5775f19f894b82a4f97c2b3f0a9efe0a&oe=545F5E36&__gda__=1415600575_7973dd70e80fb85aba19c5e6ca7c9b59)
Couple of faces there that would put you off your dinner
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
was it Armagh started off the training camps circa '02 in la Manga? been going on a while Dandy
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
Amatuer ethos? is that your real concern ??
Quote from: DandyMan on February 14, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
The AFL has every right to seek out players with the potential talent to make it in Oz. What does the GAA offer any young lad with talent? Zilch.
Quote from: DandyMan on October 18, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
I find it incredible that virtually all of the posters here are ignoring the fact that this is but one further step in the inexorable move to a form of professionalism at the top end of the GAA. I see nothing wrong with this - if we want to see the level of fitness and professionalism that has been exhibited by the counties over the past ten years or so. I see no reason why we don't go the way that the AFL has gone in Australia. Sport in general and the GAA in particular has adopted effective marketing strategies in recent years. Why should the players not benefit from it? Rugby has gone the same way. Let's get real here. The demands put forward by Dessie Farrell and his organisation are so mild that they barely scratch the surface. I would prefer to witness high quality professional GAA over the summer months rathetr than going back to the days when players were not properly fit.
Amatuer ethos is a long way from your preference
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
If the players are not being paid then they are amateurs which is all he GAA demands. I don't see how preparing well for a game can be considered to be against the ethos of he GAA.
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
Its a fair point alright. I think Donegal need to come clean on this sort of thing. It is a very professional set up and the Celtic connection is not going to make it any more amateur, that's for sure.
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
Let's go the whole hog and make the players walk to game, tog out in the bushes & drink water from milk bottles at half time. Let's ban training & let the sheep keep the grass short.
Down with everything!!
And fine the fcukers if they don't hand the jersey back to the Co Secretary after the game. >:(
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 03, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
If the players are not being paid then they are amateurs which is all he GAA demands. I don't see how preparing well for a game can be considered to be against the ethos of he GAA.
I put up an article a few days ago which had a great line in it. if Dublin went for a 5 day training camp it would have been on the Six One news.
perfectly put in my view. You lot want it every way with Dublin while letting everyone else do whatever the hell else they want.
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Why don't Dublin just buy Johnstown? 2015 Sam in the bag
Quote from: J OGorman on September 03, 2014, 04:46:20 PM
was it Armagh started off the training camps circa '02 in la Manga? been going on a while Dandy
Sean Boylan had Meath away on trips to Scotland and the likes, in the early 90s, if not before.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Its well known Donegal have private funds from London and New York. As well as availing of the sports science department in Celtic.
But that's ok because its not Dublin
Careful lads, the mask is slipping.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Its well known Donegal have private funds from London and New York. As well as availing of the sports science department in Celtic.
But that's ok because its not Dublin
Lads
Ye are only letting yourselves down here at the moment with this stuff.
The reason Dublin lost on Sunday was because they were outhought on the sideline, outfought on the field & ultimately collapsed in a heap in much the same way as other counties did against them up to now.
I hear a rumour that Toyota want Jim Gavin's Yaris back, any truth in that?
Quote from: Bensars on September 03, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
Amatuer ethos? is that your real concern ??
Quote from: DandyMan on February 14, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
The AFL has every right to seek out players with the potential talent to make it in Oz. What does the GAA offer any young lad with talent? Zilch.
Quote from: DandyMan on October 18, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
I find it incredible that virtually all of the posters here are ignoring the fact that this is but one further step in the inexorable move to a form of professionalism at the top end of the GAA. I see nothing wrong with this - if we want to see the level of fitness and professionalism that has been exhibited by the counties over the past ten years or so. I see no reason why we don't go the way that the AFL has gone in Australia. Sport in general and the GAA in particular has adopted effective marketing strategies in recent years. Why should the players not benefit from it? Rugby has gone the same way. Let's get real here. The demands put forward by Dessie Farrell and his organisation are so mild that they barely scratch the surface. I would prefer to witness high quality professional GAA over the summer months rathetr than going back to the days when players were not properly fit.
Amatuer ethos is a long way from your preference
10 posts in 7 years Dandy?? Thanks for popping in
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 03, 2014, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Its well known Donegal have private funds from London and New York. As well as availing of the sports science department in Celtic.
But that's ok because its not Dublin
Lads
Ye are only letting yourselves down here at the moment with this stuff.
The reason Dublin lost on Sunday was because they were outhought on the sideline, outfought on the field & ultimately collapsed in a heap in much the same way as other counties did against them up to now.
I hear a rumour that Toyota want Jim Gavin's Yaris back, any truth in that?
I read in the paper this morning that Donegal are transporting their Dublin players to training by helicopter.
Disgraceful carry on.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 03, 2014, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Its well known Donegal have private funds from London and New York. As well as availing of the sports science department in Celtic.
But that's ok because its not Dublin
Lads
Ye are only letting yourselves down here at the moment with this stuff.
The reason Dublin lost on Sunday was because they were outhought on the sideline, outfought on the field & ultimately collapsed in a heap in much the same way as other counties did against them up to now.
I hear a rumour that Toyota want Jim Gavin's Yaris back, any truth in that?
I read in the paper this morning that Donegal are transporting their Dublin players to training by helicopter.
Disgraceful carry on.
Maybe Roman Abramovich gave Jim a lend of his helicopter?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 03, 2014, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 09:26:51 PM
Jimmys poor mouth the week before the game whilst sitting in a jacuzzi tub in Johnstown house talking to Newstalk........................................a great team but a hypocrite of the highest order, how much of his privately raised funds goes back to the grass roots ?
Its well known Donegal have private funds from London and New York. As well as availing of the sports science department in Celtic.
But that's ok because its not Dublin
Lads
Ye are only letting yourselves down here at the moment with this stuff.
The reason Dublin lost on Sunday was because they were outhought on the sideline, outfought on the field & ultimately collapsed in a heap in much the same way as other counties did against them up to now.
I hear a rumour that Toyota want Jim Gavin's Yaris back, any truth in that?
I read in the paper this morning that Donegal are transporting their Dublin players to training by helicopter.
Disgraceful carry on.
Travel by air is the only way to avoid the Dublin scouting system !
our lads cycle to training and tog out behind a shed.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 05, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
our lads cycle to training and tog out behind a shed.
In Portugal.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 03, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 03, 2014, 04:46:20 PM
was it Armagh started off the training camps circa '02 in la Manga? been going on a while Dandy
Sean Boylan had Meath away on trips to Scotland and the likes, in the early 90s, if not before.
Roscommon had 'collective training' for 2 weeks in 1944! They stayed in roscommon town but it was definitely the earliest training camp I'm aware off! They had a motto for the two weeks - KTBL (keep the ball low). A sign with the motto on it was placed over every players' bed!
Training camps and psychology!!!! Jimmy McGuinness is 70 years behind the times!!!!! :P :P :P :P
I believe that was standard practice till the Dubs brought a mption to Congress and got it banned as reeking of "professionalism". >:(
As one Cavan man put it " alright for them but there was no 9 to 5 in Cavan in the Forties"
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 05, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
our lads cycle to training and tog out behind a shed.
In Portugal.
No, TO Portugal...and that's just the warmup before actual training begins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4TaRl79pQY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4TaRl79pQY)
Quote from: BennyCake on September 03, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 03, 2014, 04:46:20 PM
was it Armagh started off the training camps circa '02 in la Manga? been going on a while Dandy
Sean Boylan had Meath away on trips to Scotland and the likes, in the early 90s, if not before.
Compromised rules. all stars junkets are deeply engrained in the gas psychie
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 04, 2014, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Bensars on September 03, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: DandyMan on September 03, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Before anyone misconstrues my post, let me be clear. Dublin were beaten comprehensively by a better team on the day. What are your views about the five day training camp? What did it consist of? Is this not against the concept of amateurism? I am not against it in principle but does it not challenge the traditional view that the GAA is about the amateur ethos?
Amatuer ethos? is that your real concern ??
Quote from: DandyMan on February 14, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
The AFL has every right to seek out players with the potential talent to make it in Oz. What does the GAA offer any young lad with talent? Zilch.
Quote from: DandyMan on October 18, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
I find it incredible that virtually all of the posters here are ignoring the fact that this is but one further step in the inexorable move to a form of professionalism at the top end of the GAA. I see nothing wrong with this - if we want to see the level of fitness and professionalism that has been exhibited by the counties over the past ten years or so. I see no reason why we don't go the way that the AFL has gone in Australia. Sport in general and the GAA in particular has adopted effective marketing strategies in recent years. Why should the players not benefit from it? Rugby has gone the same way. Let's get real here. The demands put forward by Dessie Farrell and his organisation are so mild that they barely scratch the surface. I would prefer to witness high quality professional GAA over the summer months rathetr than going back to the days when players were not properly fit.
Amatuer ethos is a long way from your preference
Whatever happened to dessie farrell. Was he bought off or something?
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
I read in the paper this morning that Donegal are transporting their Dublin players to training by helicopter.
Donegal have Dublin players?! No wonder ... Wait! What?
I did have to laugh at the helicopter "story". It's like something from the 1940s. "Aeroplane seen over Mullingar."
Kevin Foley used to take the Kepak helicopter from the UL playing fields in Limerick twice a week for training and every match day back in 1991. It was across the road from my house. I was often tempted to ask for a lift as he was getting into the whirlybird and I was getting into my Model-T to drove for three or four hours through potholes and Portlaoise. But I never had the neck.
Quote from: Hardy on September 10, 2014, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2014, 08:53:49 AM
I read in the paper this morning that Donegal are transporting their Dublin players to training by helicopter.
Donegal have Dublin players?! No wonder ... Wait! What?
I did have to laugh at the helicopter "story". It's like something from the 1940s. "Aeroplane seen over Mullingar."
Kevin Foley used to take the Kepak helicopter from the UL playing fields in Limerick twice a week for training and every match day back in 1991. It was across the road from my house. I was often tempted to ask for a lift as he was getting into the whirlybird and I was getting into my Model-T to drove for three or four hours through potholes and Portlaoise. But I never had the neck.
You hadn't the neck to ask ?. Meath man not having the neck.
We don't pester people.
Plaster - that's different.
Quote from: Hardy on September 10, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
We don't pester people.
Plaster - that's different.
Pebble dash included.