Good game for both Counties tbh. None of the two teams will break much delph this year but a run in the qualifiers will keep some happy, should be a few tasty hits in it...
Next round exit for the winners.Amazed we didn't get Wicklow again.
1st round exit for Armagh.
Whoever loses this will have had a miserable year with relegation to Division 3 followed by going out in the first round of the qualifiers.
Odds on the losing manager here being out the door must be high you'd imagine.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Armagh winning a few qualifer matches.
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Armagh winning a few qualifer matches.
They might win a couple of games if the draw goes kindly but it will only be against those in the back of the pack/ making up the numbers. There's no way they are going to have any serious impact on events.
I think in the longer-term they would be better off with losing and McGeeney going (even if Brolly would be doing back-flips)
Actually thinking about it - the Armagh County Board are probably going to stick with McGeeney for another year no matter what happens after the whole fiasco and as two fingers in the direction of Brolly. I'm wondering now if that was Brolly's aim all along?
Some shite being talked here ::)
3-30pm in Portlaoise on Saturday 18th of June.
Live on RTÉ.
This is a real potential banana skin for both teams.
Quote from: laoislad on June 07, 2016, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: drici on June 07, 2016, 04:30:06 PM
3-30pm in Portlaoise on Saturday 18th of June.
Live on RTÉ.
You sure It's not in Kilkenny or Kerry or somewhere that's not Portlaoise?
Armagh does not have the same spatial displacement as Dublin.
Quote from: drici on June 07, 2016, 04:30:06 PM
3-30pm in Portlaoise on Saturday 18th of June.
Live on RTÉ.
I wonder why. It's like sending the cameras to a 3rd round FA cup tie at Yeovil hoping for a big story. They will have Brolly lined up with his pre rehearsed script if things go wrong for Armagh. I really hope McGeeney can come out of this one with his reputation intact and doesn't give them the opportunity to have another pop. It's make or break for this Armagh side.
Quote from: drici on June 07, 2016, 04:30:06 PM
3-30pm in Portlaoise on Saturday 18th of June.
Live on RTÉ.
Ireland vs Belgium
UEFA EURO Group stage
Saturday, 18 June, 14:00
Nouveau Stade de Bordeaux
Live on RTÉ
The Saturday afternoon qualifiers really are the worst, expect a small enough crowd. If Armagh lose McGeeney will probably step down. I'd have Armagh as very slight favourites though.
Surely the time is set to suit the TV channel schedule not the other way round?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 07, 2016, 07:15:50 PM
Surely the time is set to suit the TV channel schedule not the other way round?
It is of course for the TV Schedule. A Cramped Schedule at that. With the Rep. of Irelands game v Belguim and Galway v Mayo at 7pm.
Quote from: laoislad on June 07, 2016, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2016, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 07, 2016, 07:15:50 PM
Surely the time is set to suit the TV channel schedule not the other way round?
It is of course for the TV Schedule. A Cramped Schedule at that. With the Rep. of Irelands game v Belguim and Galway v Mayo at 7pm.
Surely 4pm would have been a better throw in time.
The Irish game will still have 15mins left at half 3.
Reason for it not at 4pm is if there is extra time needed to decide the fixture, it would eat into Skys coverage of Mayo and Galway.
This reminds me of the Donegal Derry Fixture in 1990!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Reason for it not at 4pm is if there is extra time needed to decide the fixture, it would eat into Skys coverage of Mayo and Galway.
That's bollix. Coverage would still be over at 6:30.
Jasus next Sat is gonna be mad, if we travel down we'll miss the Ireland game and if we leave extra early for it and try and watch game down there we'll still miss the 2nd half. Armagh and the GAA comes first for me but i'd still like to see Ireland play too. Fecking change it to Sunday afternoon and we can all go down there and have a good night out on the Sat night...spend some of these dodgy euros we printed off ;)
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
Jasus next Sat is gonna be mad, if we travel down we'll miss the Ireland game and if we leave extra early for it and try and watch game down there we'll still miss the 2nd half. Armagh and the GAA comes first for me but i'd still like to see Ireland play too. Fecking change it to Sunday afternoon and we can all go down there and have a good night out on the Sat night...spend some of these dodgy euros we printed off ;)
Unreal RTE should just pull the plug on covering the game fix it for 7pm on the Saturday evening...
Let Armagh travel in numbers for the weekend eveyone can watch the matches they want then...
O'Moore Park is a 10 minute walk at least from the nearest pub so if you wanted to get up in comfort to see the warm up national anthem you'll miss the whole second half of the Ireland match....
3.30 on a Saturday is a terrible time for a game regardless of it clashing with other sports as most people work on a Saturday as well...
SHAME ON RTE
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 08, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
Jasus next Sat is gonna be mad, if we travel down we'll miss the Ireland game and if we leave extra early for it and try and watch game down there we'll still miss the 2nd half. Armagh and the GAA comes first for me but i'd still like to see Ireland play too. Fecking change it to Sunday afternoon and we can all go down there and have a good night out on the Sat night...spend some of these dodgy euros we printed off ;)
Unreal RTE should just pull the plug on covering the game fix it for 7pm on the Saturday evening...
Let Armagh travel in numbers for the weekend eveyone can watch the matches they want then...
O'Moore Park is a 10 minute walk at least from the nearest pub so if you wanted to get up in comfort to see the warm up national anthem you'll miss the whole second half of the Ireland match....
3.30 on a Saturday is a terrible time for a game regardless of it clashing with other sports as most people work on a Saturday as well...
SHAME ON RTE
SHAME ON THE GAA, who move their fixtures to facilitate this kind of thing. They've promised Sky not to give RTÉ games at the same time, so it isn't really RTÉ's fault. This issue was obvious from some time back and could have been averted.
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 08, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 08, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
Jasus next Sat is gonna be mad, if we travel down we'll miss the Ireland game and if we leave extra early for it and try and watch game down there we'll still miss the 2nd half. Armagh and the GAA comes first for me but i'd still like to see Ireland play too. Fecking change it to Sunday afternoon and we can all go down there and have a good night out on the Sat night...spend some of these dodgy euros we printed off ;)
Unreal RTE should just pull the plug on covering the game fix it for 7pm on the Saturday evening...
Let Armagh travel in numbers for the weekend eveyone can watch the matches they want then...
O'Moore Park is a 10 minute walk at least from the nearest pub so if you wanted to get up in comfort to see the warm up national anthem you'll miss the whole second half of the Ireland match....
3.30 on a Saturday is a terrible time for a game regardless of it clashing with other sports as most people work on a Saturday as well...
SHAME ON RTE
I agree, it would make far more sense to schedule it for early Saturday evening. Can't see too many Armagh fans travelling in the middle of the day on a Saturday when its already being televised and also the fact that it clashes with the soccer match.
RTE are hell bent on keeping the Brolly v McGeeney debate going and I'd say thats why they have chosen this match. McGeeney has still to reply to Brolly's comments and that will be the main reason they are sending the tv cameras.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 08, 2016, 03:04:45 PM
RTE are hell bent on keeping the Brolly v McGeeney debate going and I'd say thats why they have chosen this match. McGeeney has still to reply to Brolly's comments and that will be the main reason they are sending the tv cameras.
In fairness, this is a match between two teams around the same standard where people know something about them. There is at least some prospect of a close game of moderate standard. Carlow v Wicklow or Leitrim v Waterford does not meet the need to have two teams with any prospects, even their team mightn't go, although Derry v Louth/Meath might.
Nice day in front of the tv
As I said am ambivalent now as to whether Armagh win or not
We are years away from the top table
Just let's concentrate on getting the structures right
If supporters (both Armagh and Laois) were considered for a minute there is no way this match would be fixed for the Sat afternoon.
Would a Friday evening match have been a runner?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 08, 2016, 11:23:23 PM
Would a Friday evening match have been a runner?
No. Such a thing is OK for neighbouring counties, but the drive time to too long here, I think.
had this been an Armagh home fixture we could have shown the Ireland game simultaneously on the big screen at the Athletics Ground.Meanwhile there is probably a bigger chance of Shay Given being in goals for Armagh than for Ireland
As someone who goes to a lot of games as a neutral eg. All Ireland semis and finals, I think it's time that all supporters from the smaller counties stop going to such games. Maybe then they would be a bit more fair on us.
No Gary Walsh for the next day.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0609/794471-gary-walsh-slams-laois/
Quote from: orangeman on June 10, 2016, 12:22:48 AM
No Gary Walsh for the next day.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0609/794471-gary-walsh-slams-laois/
That's unreal, majority of people are angry they have been taken off and most people let a few F**k's out of them. I've seen water bottles kicked, dugouts punched etc but people are frustrated and its just a spare of the moment thing...Scapegoat springs to mind. Thats def a bad decision with the Management.
Outsider reading of that seems that he had a fit at being taken off Saturday then didn't turn up to training Tuesday?
This 'Psycho' Walsh lad seems highly emotional.
More to this than meets the eye imo. As his hissy fit & Conor Mortimers style statement release shows.
Trouble in the Laois camp, can only be good news for Armagh this.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Trouble in the Laois camp, can only be good news for Armagh this.
Their star u21 forward "the next Donie Kingston" Evan O'Carroll has fled the nest and gone to the states he was the one who caused all sort of problems in the league winning the penalty and kicking two monster 45s against the wind..
Evan costello and Paul Kingston have also dropped off the panel...With star man John O'Loughlin suspended their forward line will be very short and you'd have to favor Armagh now big time!
Any news on whether the Armagh County Board has released a statement on the treatment of Walsh yet?
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 10, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Trouble in the Laois camp, can only be good news for Armagh this.
Their star u21 forward "the next Donie Kingston" Evan O'Carroll has fled the nest and gone to the states he was the one who caused all sort of problems in the league winning the penalty and kicking two monster 45s against the wind..
Evan costello and Paul Kingston have also dropped off the panel...With star man John O'Loughlin suspended their forward line will be very short and you'd have to favor Armagh now big time!
Not too sure about that. Armagh have seemingly lost "Ciaron O'Hanlon, Stefan Forker, Colm Watters, Mickey Murray and Pearse Casey all picked up injuries with their clubs at the weekend". Add in Dyas, Murnin and Rafferty.
Quote from: our_fella on June 10, 2016, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 10, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 10, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Trouble in the Laois camp, can only be good news for Armagh this.
Their star u21 forward "the next Donie Kingston" Evan O'Carroll has fled the nest and gone to the states he was the one who caused all sort of problems in the league winning the penalty and kicking two monster 45s against the wind..
Evan costello and Paul Kingston have also dropped off the panel...With star man John O'Loughlin suspended their forward line will be very short and you'd have to favor Armagh now big time!
Not too sure about that. Armagh have seemingly lost "Ciaron O'Hanlon, Stefan Forker, Colm Watters, Mickey Murray and Pearse Casey all picked up injuries with their clubs at the weekend". Add in Dyas, Murnin and Rafferty.
Hoe accurate is that info?
Any chance there might be a Laois absentees versus an Armagh absentees game organised for the laugh?
Perhaps the absentee game could be in New York?
Quote from: Beffs on June 10, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
More to this than meets the eye imo. As his hissy fit & Conor Mortimers style statement release shows.
He's apologised to the Laois management for his 'threatening behaviour' now.
Sounds like 'Psycho' should give social media, and his gob, a rest for a bit.
https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh (https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh)
Likely this will be the only dry day in the week.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 12, 2016, 11:27:58 AM
Quote from: Beffs on June 10, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
More to this than meets the eye imo. As his hissy fit & Conor Mortimers style statement release shows.
He's apologised to the Laois management for his 'threatening behaviour' now.
Sounds like 'Psycho' should give social media, and his gob, a rest for a bit.
https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh (https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh)
Yeah. Sounds like he has a small problem with what Dr Phil likes to call, "impulse control"
You can't go around effing and blinding and, cussing your manager out and, releasing knee jerk statements on social meeja & not expect there to be consequences.
Armagh have quite a few injuries for this game and Laois have already beaten Armagh this year yet the bookies have it neck and neck in the betting.
1/1 Laois 15/2 Armagh 11/10
Giving home advantage for Laois and the fact we can't seem to beat Laois then surely this is just buying money...Lump on and double your money.
Quote from: Beffs on June 15, 2016, 01:04:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 12, 2016, 11:27:58 AM
Quote from: Beffs on June 10, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
More to this than meets the eye imo. As his hissy fit & Conor Mortimers style statement release shows.
He's apologised to the Laois management for his 'threatening behaviour' now.
Sounds like 'Psycho' should give social media, and his gob, a rest for a bit.
https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh (https://twitter.com/PsychoWalsh)
Yeah. Sounds like he has a small problem with what Dr Phil likes to call, "impulse control"
You can't go around effing and blinding and, cussing your manager out and, releasing knee jerk statements on social meeja & not expect there to be consequences.
He's back in now. ::)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/walsh-returns-to-laois-after-cleartheair-talks-with-lillis-34802381.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/walsh-returns-to-laois-after-cleartheair-talks-with-lillis-34802381.html)
when will the team be named
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 16, 2016, 07:18:38 AM
when will the team be named
Yeah they normally do it after Thurs training session but they're sweating on the fitness of 2 or 3 so they may delay it until Sat...
On a separate note...i've never seen as low a profile a match between 2 teams this long time, just goes to show the interest that's out there for this game. A player offered me tickets for it last night and any other time there was no chance...
Quote from: illdecide on June 16, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
On a separate note...i've never seen as low a profile a match between 2 teams this long time, just goes to show the interest that's out there for this game. A player offered me tickets for it last night and any other time there was no chance...
They should just toss a coin to see who goes through.. A euro coin obviously ...
Quote from: illdecide on June 16, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
On a separate note...i've never seen as low a profile a match between 2 teams this long time, just goes to show the interest that's out there for this game. A player offered me tickets for it last night and any other time there was no chance...
Why? Could he not be bothered going himself? :D
Quote from: muppet on June 16, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 16, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
On a separate note...i've never seen as low a profile a match between 2 teams this long time, just goes to show the interest that's out there for this game. A player offered me tickets for it last night and any other time there was no chance...
Why? Could he not be bothered going himself? :D
LOL
1 (GK) Patrick Morrison
2 Shea Heffron
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Mark Shields
5 Joe Mc Elroy
6 Ciaran Mc Keever ( c )
7 Andy Mallon
8 Charlie Vernon
9 Aaron Findon
10 Tony Kernan
11 Rory Grugan
12 Aidan Forker
13 Miceal Mc Kenna
14 Stefan Campbell
15 Niall Grimley
If guys are slotted in in their natural positions then Soupy is going to be very isolated. Lets hope we can get someone up there with him who knows how to play in that position. Horrible feeling that McKenna or Kernan will be pushed into positions that just don't suit them. Both are half forwards
Grimley will go to midfield and Vernon will go man to man on Kingston wherever that takes him
Is Portlaoise good to go out in on a sat night, or should I head for Kilkenny?
Quote from: Santino on June 16, 2016, 11:05:16 PM
Is Portlaoise good to go out in on a sat night, or should I head for Kilkenny?
100% Kilkenny.
is Morgan injured?
Quote from: muppet on June 16, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 16, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
On a separate note...i've never seen as low a profile a match between 2 teams this long time, just goes to show the interest that's out there for this game. A player offered me tickets for it last night and any other time there was no chance...
Why? Could he not be bothered going himself? :D
V good...lol. He's starting but normally his dad takes the tickets but he can't make it. Don't think there is too many going to the game. Think they'll be lucky to get 6000 at the match.
6,000!!! Highly unlikely.
Laois will bring 250 paying customers and maybe 300 u16s.
Can't see Armagh bringing more than. 1,000 plus 1,000
So an official attendance 1,250 plus 1,300 non paying??
I think the fact that this is on the telly will seriously affect the crowd numbers.
Throw in the drubbings against Dublin & Cavan plus both teams' league campaigns, the distance and the time, the crowd numbers could be fairly small.
Heading down Not hopeful.A game likely to be swung by home advantage I fear.
Feck it's going to be worse than i thought....2000 people for a Championship match (if we're lucky). On the football side of things how could anyone predict the result of this game.
Armagh have met Laois twice in AI Qualifiers and won both. Kieran McGeeney always had the upper hand over Laois in the championship when he was with Kildare. On the other hand Laois have a decent enough record against Armagh in O'Moore Park. Could be a good game.
Seeing as cork and tipp couldn't get 3000 to a Munster semi final 2000 people, with the competing tv attraction would be a respectable attendance.
It's like tossing a coin trying to predict the outcome of this match, I imagine the supporters of both counties will be watching in hope more than expectation.
3/1 Laois win by 1-3 points is attractive.
Mc Geeney needs to be more like Michael O'Neill and less like Michelle O'Neill today.Innovative thinking and radical tactics need to be deployed.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 09:06:02 AM
3/1 Laois win by 1-3 points is attractive.
Mc Geeney needs to be more like Michael O'Neill and less like Michelle O'Neill today.Innovative thinking and radical tactics need to be deployed.
You mean hire a helicopter and drop
bales of hay the ball into the full forward line?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 09:06:02 AM
3/1 Laois win by 1-3 points is attractive.
Mc Geeney needs to be more like Michael O'Neill and less like Michelle O'Neill today.Innovative thinking and radical tactics need to be deployed.
Jesus you do spew some serious conya so you do!
Looks like around 400 people there :-\
Innovative thinking and radical tactics? From McGeeney? LOL....
Shocking attendance, but they've only themselves to blame with the scheduling.
Disappointed there was no minute silence for former 1992 Armagh minor Emlyn Bratton.
Switches on for 10mins, hears Tommy "Tom" Carr, switches off promptly. Why RTE? Why?
Armagh a bit distracted with the injured man and the point that wasn't, and let in the soft goal. Otherwise Laois shooting awful and Armagh only slightly better.
On the plus side, I had no trouble getting parked.
You can actually hear conversation in the crowd, dismal attendance. Not a bad game though, Armagh are at least trying to kick direct ball although a lot of the quality of ball inside is poor. Overhit passes into the keepers arms is a problem, this game could go either way but Armagh just need to be more clinical with their chances and I think they can edge it.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 18, 2016, 03:53:27 PM
Switches on for 10mins, hears Tommy "Tom" Carr, switches off promptly. Why RTE? Why?
Tommy offers a unique perspective on the game.
Quickly revise my opinion, Armagh have been terrible since half time. Bringing Feeney on for Forker is baffling.
Did Ger just say "Forker off"?
Terrible last 10 minutes.
Sweet Jaysus. What are we like?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 18, 2016, 03:53:27 PM
Switches on for 10mins, hears Tommy "Tom" Carr, switches off promptly. Why RTE? Why?
Bring back Martin Carney. Never thought I'd say that ;)
The wrong sub.
Shambles
I think my favourite contribution by Tom was the bit about the advantage rule being advantageous.
If you heard that level of guff from an oul fella on a stool in a pub, you'd be well within you rights to bar him.
Looked wide...
Score ?
No way was that a score.
Yup count me in the wide camp as well.
The officials playing a blinder here today.
Armagh on a bit of a run. Down by 3, but they've got the last two scores to cut the deficit to 1 pt.
Christ, that's some woeful shooting.
Quote from: Beffs on June 18, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
Armagh on a bit of a run. Down by 3, but they've got the last two scores to cut the deficit to 1 pt.
A draw would probably be a fair result in that neither side has been good enough to deserve the win.
Cheers Farr
69th minute. Still a 1 pt game.
This is utter shite but at least there's quite an exciting finish!
3 mins of injury time.
Another score for Laois. Up by 2 now.
Black card for Quigley. Doesn't really matter though.
Another wide from Campbell from a free. Still a 2 pt game. Only 30 seconds left of injury time.
Pt for Laois.
All over.
FT: Laois win 1-10 to 0-10
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: Beffs on June 18, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
Armagh on a bit of a run. Down by 3, but they've got the last two scores to cut the deficit to 1 pt.
A draw would probably be a fair result in that neither side has been good enough to deserve the win.
Disagree. Laois were the better team on the day. Should have won by 6 or 7, but for all those wides.
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa79/omard1/Animas/smiley_dance.gif)
Mat-chew? Can't Canning not say Matthew?
Poor quality second half and midfield collapsed in the second half. Apart from McElroy and Morgan the rest were poor. Some players clearly not county standard, we done ok the first but the second half was embarrassing at times. We have got gradually worse over McGeeneys 2 year period.
Quote from: Beffs on June 18, 2016, 05:05:17 PM
Pt for Laois.
All over.
FT: Laois win 1-10 to 0-10
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 18, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: Beffs on June 18, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
Armagh on a bit of a run. Down by 3, but they've got the last two scores to cut the deficit to 1 pt.
A draw would probably be a fair result in that neither side has been good enough to deserve the win.
Disagree. Laois were the better team on the day. Should have won by 6 or 7, but for all those wides.
You can't just discount the wides like that - Armagh had around the same number of wides with at least 10 plus probably 4/5 more that dropped short were collected by the keeper.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
Mat-chew? Can't Canning not say Matthew?
Mat-chew is the as Gaeilge pronunciation
Armagh looked very flat. No energy or pace in the final quarter, even though they made it a game down the stretch. The Laois players looked fresher overall, especially on the break. Are the Armagh players being over trained? They looked very heavy legged.
Come back Paddy O'Rourke. All is forgiven.
Quote from: heganboy on June 18, 2016, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
Mat-chew? Can't Canning not say Matthew?
Mat-chew is the as Gaeilge pronunciation
But he spelt it in English. And Ciaran is Irish for Kieran but he called McKeever 'Kieran'.
McGeeney will have to go now. I feel sorry for both sets of players having to play in an atmosphere as flat as that in a championship game. Can't see any children going to that aspiring to be an inter county footballer when they grow up.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 18, 2016, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
Mat-chew? Can't Canning not say Matthew?
Mat-chew is the as Gaeilge pronunciation
But he spelt it in English. And Ciaran is Irish for Kieran but he called McKeever 'Kieran'.
Ger called him McGeeney at one stage
In fairness I'd let a lot slide for anyone forced to sit beside Tommy Carr while commentating.
banty on rte now doing cv for job
not a thousand people at the game, as small an attendance as at the laois antrim qualifier in 2015.
fans of both sides are realistic, and in fairness there has been little between the two sides for a number of years.
without Clarke, Armagh really don't pose a goal threat, and that was a factor. laois should have won by more, the win may bring us on a little and if we happened to draw the likes of Sligo I would fancy another win, cavan(if they lose to tyrone) would be the one we would like to avoid. Cunningham has at least brought some defensive edge to laois, there was none in the league campaign.
one question for Armagh supporters. in laois most honest football fans consider Justin mcnulty to have been our best manager in the past 12 years, even the players rated him on a completely different level to the likes of liam kearns and even micko. why has he not been in the running for the Armagh job?. I have no doubt, leaving aside political allegiances, that he will be an excellent assembly member for the area. perhaps, he is biding his time, and waiting for a better crop of young players to harvest at a later date?.
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 18, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
not a thousand people at the game, as small an attendance as at the laois antrim qualifier in 2015.
fans of both sides are realistic, and in fairness there has been little between the two sides for a number of years.
without Clarke, Armagh really don't pose a goal threat, and that was a factor. laois should have won by more, the win may bring us on a little and if we happened to draw the likes of Sligo I would fancy another win, cavan(if they lose to tyrone) would be the one we would like to avoid. Cunningham has at least brought some defensive edge to laois, there was none in the league campaign.
one question for Armagh supporters. in laois most honest football fans consider Justin mcnulty to have been our best manager in the past 12 years, even the players rated him on a completely different level to the likes of liam kearns and even micko. why has he not been in the running for the Armagh job?. I have no doubt, leaving aside political allegiances, that he will be an excellent assembly member for the area. perhaps, he is biding his time, and waiting for a better crop of young players to harvest at a later date?.
Liam Kearns showing he's on a completely different level to McNulty but not in the order you're suggesting.
Tough day for Armagh and Mc Geeney. Tyrone were there 3 years ago.
What happened Emlyn Bratton? i remember playing against him a few times years back when he played for Doire Colmcille! Attendance at the Derry game was woeful too, paying in £16 (e20) be a big reason for it, a total rip off
Rip emlyn bratton which puts things into perspective.
I remember the minor final of 92 was gut wrenching
Turning to the match
Was ambivalent and didn't go which a lot of guys will know is a shock for me
I watch a fair bit of senior football in Armagh and down and both are poor
Thought We lost our shape and Laois should have pulled away
But we are in a dark place at Armagh and it isn't just mcgeeney
Will think long and hard about writing a cheque next year
Quote from: BennyCake on June 18, 2016, 05:13:22 PM
Come back Paddy O'Rourke. All is forgiven.
Jesus if had said that 3 years ago ya would have got some look
The tremendous Armagh support,at least three times the size of Laois' today deserve much better.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 08:48:29 PM
The tremendous Armagh support,at least three times the size of Laois' today deserve much better.
Ask Geezer for an explanation, you being a season ticket holder and all.
Explain how less than 2 years ago we drew with Monaghan,beat Tyrone and narrowly lost to Donegal by a point in an All Ireland Qtr Final.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 18, 2016, 09:05:17 PM
Explain how less than 2 years ago we drew with Monaghan,beat Tyrone and narrowly lost to Donegal by a point in an All Ireland Qtr Final.
Paul grimley
Armagh should stick with McGeeney, tactical genius. All joking aside he becomes more like Steve Staunton every game. Good player but...
Another sobering day but the reality is the players aren't there. McGeeney or not, if you were putting your best 15 on the pitch today it would include Dyas, Clarke, O'Hanlon, Ethan Rafferty, Caolan Rafferty and Murnin. Given the limited player quality at the minute as a starting point, that's a massive hole. The problems run much deeper than the 18/20 that line out in a senior championship match and supply line issues take 7/8 years to remedy - by our record we'll be through a few more managers by then - even if those things are invested in now year on year. Oisin made a great suggestion on BBC - investing money in 5/6 full time coaches to work with primary schools and juvenile teams in clubs. That's been the Dublin model although they would that number of full time coaches working in a single club.
To the vessels asking about 2014, take a look at the team sheets and then take a look at the birth Certificates of a lot of those remaining.
Duffle king
Tbf you are like myself a realist
We don't have the players
But people who want us to do well know that and aren't interested in cheap shots
Mc geeney is an easy target but any time I met him
He so wants us to do well
It sickens my hole the people here on about McGeeney...Armagh just don't have the quality players and stop going on about who could have been available, there are players injured (which u can't do nothing about) and there are players unavailable to play for one reason or another (which u can do nothing about). I'm not saying KMcG is a tactical genius or anything but he's a penalty kick for everyone in Ireland to stick the boot in but i suppose when they're at him they'll be leaving someone else alone. Kieran's time will come and go and he'll be replaced by another man who will suffer similar abuse (well maybe just not as much) and then it'll all start again...
I think we need to start blooding as many young ones as possible over the next 2-3 years and try and unearth a few gems, hopefully a couple of forwards can come through (possibly from current minor team). Currently there are a few lads on the squad who are just not good enough for this level which i don't like saying but hey you don't need to be Einstein to work that out. Another short summer and the only posts we'll get is in the "General Discussion" threads >:(
The buck must stop with the manager I'm afraid.Relegation to Div 3 was a monumental failure,and trouncings away to Cavan were unforgivable,as was the home defeat to Laois.Maximum priority should have been given to retaining Division 2 status.After all even Fermanagh did it..
In 5 Championship games, one win has been recorded, at home to Wicklow aided by two gift goals in the opening five minutes.
There has been no discernible alteration in tactics,today in the middle of the field Charlie Vernon lost out to an opponent,and despite being two feet away and his opponent struggling to control the ball,instead of tackling,Charlie turned and ran at speed in the direction of his own goalposts.What is that all about?
If players are opting out or prematurely retiring,it is due to the fact they see no prospect of success under the current managerial regime.If this is the case serious questions need to be asked.
There is no passion,drive or confidence in the team.That is the responsibility of the management.
Is the manager there primarily because of his ability to attract income and sponsorship?
In short no one else,not even Mick O'Dwyer or Kevin Heffernan in their prime,would have got away with the results Armagh have produced in the last two seasons.The manager's position must come under scrutiny.
Square pegs don't fit in round holes, yes we don't have the players of old but stop trying to play like Dublin. The problem goes much deeper. There is little or no plan going forward, the county board has been inept at planning for the future and it's now coming to roost. I understand we are a small county but looking at what Tyrone has set up for the future and it sickens me we still have an old piece of flood land that Mcgeeney wont even train on. Obvious whether hush hushed or not there has been a fair bit of financial negligence during our successful period. I don't have the answers to be honest but I know that status quo is just not acceptable.
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Today was probably the least concerned I've ever been about an Armagh c'ship match. I really didn't give two frigs such is my interest in the county team lately. I'd say I'm not the only one thinking that.
The Armagh support was unbelievable yesterday.They outnumbered Laois by three to one.That is the only positive legacy from the Golden Years.
If things stay as they are I can't see them getting out of Div 3 next year,which will also be a Championship write off,as this level of football will not prepare the team for the Championship
You do realise that supporters like you have contributed to the negative vibe which then spread throughout media. surrounded by negativity failure was inevitable. Some supporters would need to consider their position as well. There's a county dedicated to self loathing already - Derry.
Negativity is the inevitable product of consistently poor results and performances,and absolutely no signs of improvement.Relegation to Division 3 and the first Ulster team out of the Championship should be a signal that drastic action is required.
I agree with the posters who say geezer is an easy target and people just love to stick the boot into him. Esp it seems from within our own county. If he did step down or was pushed, who takes his place?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 19, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
I agree with the posters who say geezer is an easy target and people just love to stick the boot into him. Esp it seems from within our own county. If he did step down or was pushed, who takes his place?
You make a good point. Some will give a list of names most of whom will not want it.
Look at the stick the two Brian's took and they were winning Ulster Championships! I do not see any sign of progress whatsoever,on the contrary we are going backwards.What are we suppose to do? Meekly accept this? Why are some of our best players not on the panel? Surely the manager should now be soul searching and amending his entire outlook and approach.
I think it's more to do with ambitions from the players those who were there and not there as the case might be. In terms of talent on the field, Armagh look to be around Antrim level at the moment. Off the field the structures aren't in place and whilst they may be the greatest club in Ireland Cross are off doing their own thing most of the year. Until Oisin or Mc entee play a greater role then it's always going to be reluctantly supported from this guys. However if an all Ireland winning captain, the most inspirational man who ever kicked a ball for Armagh can't summon some passion up, I suspect it's not in them. Armagh could stay in 3 because of the players structures and inherited money issues - senior management is the last Thing to be changed imo.
Whole lot of things need to be looked at including manager's position.3 years Grimley proved he could learn from mistakes and adapt.This seems to be beyond the cuŕrent manager.Also the reasons for players opting out needs to be looked at.With current resources we should even still be capable of staying in Div 2 and dealing with both Cavan and Laois
Who are the players opting out? I'm not sticking the knife in here but I'm sure most counties could rhyme off almost half a dozen players who should be on the panel but aren't for one reason or another. From the outside looking in there appears to be a half arsed approach from the Cross contingent ever since Big Joe hit the road. This isn't just a McGeeney issue, I remember these discussions with McDonnell, O'Rourke and Grimley.
Oisin, Francie, McEntees, Hearty, Aaron K were all capable of handling county football. Cross' current players aren't. Just because Cross are successful at Ulster/AI now don't mean they're capable of the step up to county level. Lots of them have been tried and they obviously weren't good enough - McKeown, McKenna, S Kernan, Cunningham, Hughes, Hanratty etc.
So stop going on about Cross. Let's look elsewhere.
That was abysmal but not unexpected. Brolly has accused McGeeney of not knowing what is doing and yesterday was yet more proof that Brolly is right (on this one).
We were told at the outset that McGeeney would leave no stone unturned to make Armagh a success. He has to make do with limited playing resources and yesterday's sub list shows just how limited that is especially in attack.
The lack of quality in players has allowed a band of supporters and officials to hide behind a "we just don't have the players" defence to justify whatever new level we fall to (I fully accept that as a county we have been at lower levels in the past but not with this group of players). This fails to even engage with the fact that it is possible to make a reasonable assessment of what level of performance the players produced in the county are capable of achieving and then whether they have actually achieved it.
On this measure the current management are failing and we should not tolerate the lies that will be peddled to justify them staying on.
Once again we seem to be totally astounded that a team would set up defensively. We had no clue how to combat this. Again we solo the ball through the open spaces in the middle of the park. This is the only way of moving the ball forward that allows the extra defenders to get back before the ball. We know it doesn't work and yet we do it in every game. When an individual player does this it is their fault. When player after player does it routinely in game after game then definitively it is management's fault. Time to go. There is no plan, no progress and no clue.
A team that allows the defence to get back is forced to move the ball laterally in front of the blanket defence until they work a man in space to hit it from distance. Laois were absolutely delighted to find out that the plan we had worked on was for Aaron Findon to be the man that got into the space. Again no plan, no progress and no clue.
Our variation on plan A was to keep the inside forwards in front of the goal within the width of the posts and then to sprint into the very corners to collect the ball. We gave up possession and frees with this tactic but got no scores. Again no plan, no progress and no clue.
We named one inside forward. Bad enough but to then to have him playing big chunks of the game behind the half forward line was just desperation. Some form of tactical lottery. Spin the wheel and see what comes up. No plan, no progress and no clue
We were told that McGeeney would have us running through walls to get fit. Team are slow and powder puff in the challenge. They are also ineffectual in the tackle. Minimal turnovers but plenty of frees. All bluster but no precision. What does Dinny Hollywood do and is it working? Who is he accountable to and how is he being measured? Maybe the county board will tell us on the Sunday Game after a hurling match?
Laois looked poor. They have dispatched us (twice) and Wicklow this season. We are well capable of beating Laois but we are punching below our weight by a degree that cannot be justified or explained away.
With the clock running down we had a free right in front of McGeeney. We needed a goal and nothing else would do. Dropping the ball in on the square is a low probability play but the only option we had. Why Soupy put the ball on the ground and took his time about lining up an attempt at a point is any body's guess but why his manager stood behind him and allowed the clock to be wasted on a low probability (he missed) and totally useless point is completely unforgivable. He showed a complete sense of helplessness and resignation. Maybe an apt note for McGeeney's season to end on.
its been downhill since morgans fuels departed with the brown envelopes
Of - Whatever about the rest of that stuff I'd point out a couple of glaring errors in your observations. 1, they kicked the ball constantly into the forward line yesterday - to a fault in fact as they kicked too much ball away into areas where Laois had extra numbers. I assume you know that if a team keeps players back while they attack then they don't need to work back to cover and sweep.
Secondly, there were two minutes on the clock and two points down when soupy got that scoreable free. How would anyone's instinct be to drop it in and look for a goal in that scenario? Beggars belief to think anyone who watches football regularly would advocate that.
If you're making other points worth serious consideration, making those and other daft points with such certainly means that common sense observers will just give you a fool's pass.
Surely this and relegation to d3 are rock bottom for Armagh
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 19, 2016, 01:38:50 PM
Of - Whatever about the rest of that stuff I'd point out a couple of glaring errors in your observations. 1, they kicked the ball constantly into the forward line yesterday - to a fault in fact as they kicked too much ball away into areas where Laois had extra numbers. I assume you know that if a team keeps players back while they attack then they don't need to work back to cover and sweep.
Secondly, there were two minutes on the clock and two points down when soupy got that scoreable free. How would anyone's instinct be to drop it in and look for a goal in that scenario? Beggars belief to think anyone who watches football regularly would advocate that.
If you're making other points worth serious consideration, making those and other daft points with such certainly means that common sense observers will just give you a fool's pass.
I have the game recorded. Haven't see it yet but I will by all means look at it again. On the other point I think you misunderstand me. Look at the number of times we carry the ball to or through midfield and watch the number of blue shirts running back at the same time. Then look at the results when we do kick it in to the inside forwards.
I presume you weren't at the game. Laois always had one and sometimes two extra defenders back most of the time. That's hardly a revelation in the modern game but it's a reality when you're assessing the rights and wrongs of kicking the ball forward.
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I presume you weren't at the game.
Presume away. It isn't working for you but tear on
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Laois always had one and sometimes two extra defenders back most of the time.
When did I say they didn't?
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That's hardly a revelation in the modern game
Correct. It does appear to be a revelation to our management though.
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but it's a reality when you're assessing the rights and wrongs of kicking the ball forward.
And the reality is they have even more boys trying to get back and the longer you gave them the more they gat back and get set.
That is the reality that Armagh are not dealing with and you seem unwilling to accept
Armaghs main source of turning ball over was by kicking poor ball into the forward line that was cut out by the single and double sweeper. You're lamenting that they only hand passed sideways coming forward. It's recognised even by the kids on the county forum that they were kicking the ball more than ever yesterday. So which criticism is it - they didn't kick it forward and they should have despite the double sweepers. Or, the criticism that managemeant didn't realise that there was two sweepers and the approach didn't reflect that?
In fact, let's just simplify your madness. Your opening moan was that Armagh only soloed the ball through the middle of the park allowing numbers back. The consensus with everyone at the game was that they had to stop kicking the ball into a forward line populated with covering defenders. Work the rest out yourself.
Were shite altogether, period, end of!
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 19, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
Armaghs main source of turning ball over was by kicking poor ball into the forward line that was cut out by the single and double sweeper. You're lamenting that they only hand passed sideways coming forward. It's recognised even by the kids on the county forum that they were kicking the ball more than ever yesterday. So which criticism is it - they didn't kick it forward and they should have despite the double sweepers. Or, the criticism that managemeant didn't realise that there was two sweepers and the approach didn't reflect that?
I think you should take a step back and look at the game and my post again.
In the game we had plenty of possessions in our full and half back lines. We elected to solo that ball forward. Laois were happy with this and let us at it. We carry the ball until we get close to the defensive line. The we take it into contact (poor results), attempt long range points (poor results as the wrong men are on the ball) or kick it in to the forward (poor results as they are completely surrounded by this stage). I am not even complaining about the decisions made when we confront the defensive line its the decisions before that. We are helping to create the problem and then struggling to solve it.
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Quote from: DuffleKing on June 19, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
Armaghs main source of turning ball over was by kicking poor ball into the forward line that was cut out by the single and double sweeper. You're lamenting that they only hand passed sideways coming forward. It's recognised even by the kids on the county forum that they were kicking the ball more than ever yesterday. So which criticism is it - they didn't kick it forward and they should have despite the double sweepers. Or, the criticism that managemeant didn't realise that there was two sweepers and the approach didn't reflect that?
I think you should take a step back and look at the game and my post again.
In the game we had plenty of possessions in our full and half back lines. We elected to solo that ball forward. Laois were happy with this and let us at it. We carry the ball until we get close to the defensive line. The we take it into contact (poor results), attempt long range points (poor results as the wrong men are on the ball) or kick it in to the forward (poor results as they are completely surrounded by this stage). I am not even complaining about the decisions made when we confront the defensive line its the decisions before that. We are helping to create the problem and then struggling to solve it.
There is lots to criticise them about but your assertion in bold is patently wrong if you watched the game at all.
Armagh are living off of past glories (one All Ireland). No point hiding behind Crossmaglens succesz
This is all part of Geezer's 5-year plan. Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards
Quote from: Orior on June 19, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
This is all part of Geezer's 5-year plan. Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards
What part of it? Bullshit saying you have to go back before you go forward.
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Quote from: Orior on June 19, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
This is all part of Geezer's 5-year plan. Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards
What part of it? Bullshit saying you have to go back before you go forward.
You get a better run at it if you reverse first.
In other news on the GAA football rankings on Boards.ie
Laois move up 4 places following an unexpected win over Armagh; Armagh drop to 22nd, their lowest ranking since October 1975So all the way through the late 80s and early 90s, we weren't this bad.
Fearon said we needed a Michael O'Neill, we need a Gerry O'Neill!
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Quote from: Orior on June 19, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
This is all part of Geezer's 5-year plan. Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards
What part of it? Bullshit saying you have to go back before you go forward.
I assumed he was being ironic.
Personally I cannot see how any club delegate can honestly say that under McGeeney Armagh are the best they can be. Surely there has to be a debate where club delegates will be asked their view or have the chance to ask questions?
If we persevere with McGeeney and 2017 proves to a similar debacle then the decision to persevere at this junction, given the clear signals will look criminal
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Armaghs main source of turning ball over was by kicking poor ball into the forward line that was cut out by the single and double sweeper. You're lamenting that they only hand passed sideways coming forward. It's recognised even by the kids on the county forum that they were kicking the ball more than ever yesterday. So which criticism is it - they didn't kick it forward and they should have despite the double sweepers. Or, the criticism that managemeant didn't realise that there was two sweepers and the approach didn't reflect that?
I think you should take a step back and look at the game and my post again.
In the game we had plenty of possessions in our full and half back lines. We elected to solo that ball forward. Laois were happy with this and let us at it. We carry the ball until we get close to the defensive line. The we take it into contact (poor results), attempt long range points (poor results as the wrong men are on the ball) or kick it in to the forward (poor results as they are completely surrounded by this stage). I am not even complaining about the decisions made when we confront the defensive line its the decisions before that. We are helping to create the problem and then struggling to solve it.
There is lots to criticise them about but your assertion in bold is patently wrong if you watched the game at all.
We definitely did carry the ball to and through midfield by soloing forward time and again. There was a couple of times in the second half where Charlie was free roughly left half back. Instead of kicking it to him quickly we soloed forward and then hand passed it about 3 yeards to him standing still. Totally feckless stuff.
The speed of the ball to midfield or half foward is a key issue and if you can't see it you are blind.
The farce with a couple of substitutions yesterday epitomises where we at.Even simple things like making substitutions is a complex exercise.
Having said that I don't think even the current Armagh side would concede three goals against Cavan
Quote from: T Fearon on June 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
The farce with a couple of substitutions yesterday epitomises where we at.Even simple things like making substitutions is a complex exercise.
Having said that I don't think even the current Armagh side would concede three goals against Cavan
There was a mess up with the subs but that could have been a mess up by armagh, the officials or the communication between the 2. I would be more worried why McKenna was taken off at all. Looked a poor call to me.
For the first time this year Laois produced a good performance in defence which was the foundation for this win - the return of manager's son Kieran Lillis as CHB and the impressive championship debut of Gearoid Hanrahan were key factors. Up front Laois wasted too many opportunities and nearly kicked the game away.
At half-time Armagh had recovered from the Laois goal and looked as if they would kick on - overall they were the better team in the first half. Laois dominated the second half with defence and midfield controlling the game but their inability to kill off the game is a worry. John O'Loughlin's return for the next round will help.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
The farce with a couple of substitutions yesterday epitomises where we at.Even simple things like making substitutions is a complex exercise.
Having said that I don't think even the current Armagh side would concede three goals against Cavan
Did they not concede 3 goals to that Cavan team in the league game Armagh were humiliated.
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Quote from: T Fearon on June 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
The farce with a couple of substitutions yesterday epitomises where we at.Even simple things like making substitutions is a complex exercise.
Having said that I don't think even the current Armagh side would concede three goals against Cavan
Did they not concede 3 goals to that Cavan team in the league game Armagh were humiliated.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0305/772814-cavan-v-armagh/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0305/772814-cavan-v-armagh/)
Quote from: T Fearon on June 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
The farce with a couple of substitutions yesterday epitomises where we at.Even simple things like making substitutions is a complex exercise.
Having said that I don't think even the current Armagh side would concede three goals against Cavan
You really are a complete tosser. ;D
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
Rules are rules. Game should be replayed!
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
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Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
Precedent! Happened to Kildare twice against Sligo where we played 6 subs, Kildare won both. They lost points the first time, 2nd time the game was replayed. Cork in 2002 beat Tipp in the Munster Hurling final replay, played too many subs, Tipp appealed, Frank argued result stood.
Should be replayed so Armagh can be bet twice.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
Precedent! Happened to Kildare twice against Sligo where we played 6 subs, Kildare won both. They lost points the first time, 2nd time the game was replayed. Cork in 2002 beat Tipp in the Munster Hurling final replay, played too many subs, Tipp appealed, Frank argued result stood.
The second time was a dispute over the teamsheet rather than using six subs.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kildare-may-lose-points-from-sligo-game-1.349706 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kildare-may-lose-points-from-sligo-game-1.349706)
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
Precedent! Happened to Kildare twice against Sligo where we played 6 subs, Kildare won both. They lost points the first time, 2nd time the game was replayed. Cork in 2002 beat Tipp in the Munster Hurling final replay, played too many subs, Tipp appealed, Frank argued result stood.
Was this not the football final youre thinking of? We drew with Cork in thurles and they beat us badly in puc in the replay. They used too many subs but i dont think we ever appealed due the the win being a large one
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
Precedent! Happened to Kildare twice against Sligo where we played 6 subs, Kildare won both. They lost points the first time, 2nd time the game was replayed. Cork in 2002 beat Tipp in the Munster Hurling final replay, played too many subs, Tipp appealed, Frank argued result stood.
Was this not the football final youre thinking of? We drew with Cork in thurles and they beat us badly in puc in the replay. They used too many subs but i dont think we ever appealed due the the win being a large one
Sorry yea the football final, happened with Na Fianna and Sarsfields as well, Sarsfields agreed to a replay after Na Fianna ironically with McGeeney played messed up.
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Quote from: stew on June 20, 2016, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
They already set a precedent when they let Offaly away with it against Kildare 10 years ago.
I agree to a point. The problem the GAA have is if by letting it go they set a precedent.
The rules may have been revisited with the introduction of the black card.
Precedent! Happened to Kildare twice against Sligo where we played 6 subs, Kildare won both. They lost points the first time, 2nd time the game was replayed. Cork in 2002 beat Tipp in the Munster Hurling final replay, played too many subs, Tipp appealed, Frank argued result stood.
The second time was a dispute over the teamsheet rather than using six subs.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kildare-may-lose-points-from-sligo-game-1.349706 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kildare-may-lose-points-from-sligo-game-1.349706)
Yes correct - knew there was another reason why I don't like Sligo, whingers :P
Pardon my puzzlement but did Laois use 7 subs or what?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2016, 09:04:23 PM
Pardon my puzzlement but did Laois use 7 subs or what?
Seemingly they did. There is also a suggestion that they played with 16 for a short period when a sub came on without being replaced. Considering the fiasco over one of the Armagh substitutions never mind Laois getting punished it seems a few officials need an extra bit of training! ;D
Inexcusable stuff. Laois should be kicked out.
Quote from: rrhf on June 20, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Inexcusable stuff. Laois should be kicked out.
Kicking out would be too good for them, their best players should be made play for Armagh.
I agree, Laois deserve to be put out. If the GAA let them through it will set a very dangerous precedent.
Replay has been fixed for Nowlan Park and behind closed doors. The result will not be broadcast and Clare will get a bye in qualifiers.
Would mc Geeney not bring a book out, it's been an absolute roller coaster of emotion..
Anyone know how this came to light?
Armagh people certainly feel they are right to protest. It was also live on TV!! Few Armagh guys at work going stone mad about it.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2016, 10:56:30 PM
Anyone know how this came to light?
CCCC according to Gaelic Life.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 20, 2016, 10:45:07 PM
Replay has been fixed for Nowlan Park and behind closed doors. The result will not be broadcast and Clare will get a bye in qualifiers.
Will we be allowed use sticks?
I see another Portlaoise Seven joining the annals like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6
The only thing worse than getting bate by Laois is by having our noses rubbed in it by getting bate again
Quote from: Orior on June 20, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
The only thing worse than getting bate by Laois is by having our noses rubbed in it by getting bate again
It will be okay. Laois will get a fine to add to the coffers.
The decent thing to do would be to offer a replay.
Should the fallout from this not focus on the officials/general organisation as much as Laois? Hard to think of too many sports where you'd get away with an extra sub.
Surely with the army of support people all teams have nowadays,someone should be allocated the responsibility of ensuring the statutory number of substitutes is not exceeded.
The beanie counter
Jesus, let us put this season to death without further punishment.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 21, 2016, 07:44:39 AM
Jesus, let us put this season to death without further punishment.
+1
I hear one of the Armagh subs put on a Laois jersey and ran out onto the pitch making it look like Laois used 7 subs. Typical Nordies can't take a beating.
Quote from: stew on June 20, 2016, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
What Stew?
Armagh are the experts of technicalities. Sure didnt Masden get off with assault due to the misspelling of his name.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 21, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: stew on June 20, 2016, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
What Stew?
Armagh are the experts of technicalities. Sure didnt Masden get off with assault due to the misspelling of his name.
Lol
Needed a laugh this morning. But then again you Moortown bais are as saft as they come
I agree that the result should stand and that the 7th sub had no bearing on the result whatsoever(what was it the 70th min FFS)...having to watch that and go through that pain again is just too much. Clare v Laois and lets leave it at that. Although in saying all that a replay would be some craic and Laois to beat Armagh again and Joe Brolly would be rolling the floor laughing his (small testicles off) balls off.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 21, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
Quote from: stew on June 20, 2016, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 20, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Armagh to be reinstated. Put all the money you have on Clare to beat them.
Thanks captain obvious for your sage wisdom, Tony hooked ya ked. )
We are out, let Laois move on as they beat us, that last Sun made no difference.
What Stew?
Armagh are the experts of technicalities. Sure didnt Masden get off with assault due to the misspelling of his name.
I don't have the will for either a replay or the melee you're trying to start with that comment. As Benny said earlier let's put this horrific season to bed.
sure have the armagh lads not already booked their holidays or went to play ball in America?
Word is that a replay is the recommended avenue. Armagh should take it and be glad of the chance.
If this is replayed and the feck up made by the Ulster Council's replay date the A section if the Qualifiers will fairly disrupt the whole fixtures schedule.
Play it in Newbridge. A venue worthy of the replay.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
sure have the armagh lads not already booked their holidays or went to play ball in America?
They won't be tuned in to another game, whereas of course Laois would be expecting a game anyway. Hard to see a different result.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
sure have the armagh lads not already booked their holidays or went to play ball in America?
Sure Jamie went ages ago :P
Can't see it being replayed ...Fine for Laois...slap on the wrist for the Officals ...Who were a disaster all day regarding subs...Laois claimed one the earlier subs was a blood sub and asked could they replace the Black card which happened in the 71st minute and forth offical said it was okay.....
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 21, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Can't see it being replayed ...Fine for Laois...slap on the wrist for the Officals ...Who were a disaster all day regarding subs...Laois claimed one the earlier subs was a blood sub and asked could they replace the Black card which happened in the 71st minute and forth offical said it was okay.....
Sure that's it sorted then...C u all next Feb in Div 3
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 21, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Can't see it being replayed ...Fine for Laois...slap on the wrist for the Officals ...Who were a disaster all day regarding subs...Laois claimed one the earlier subs was a blood sub and asked could they replace the Black card which happened in the 71st minute and forth offical said it was okay.....
Ha!
A replay it is.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0621/797102-orchard-men-to-get-second-bite-of-cherry/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0621/797102-orchard-men-to-get-second-bite-of-cherry/)
Ridiculous decision. Fine if it's at club level where a referee is on his own but at inter-county level, this is all the officials fault.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 21, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 21, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Can't see it being replayed ...Fine for Laois...slap on the wrist for the Officals ...Who were a disaster all day regarding subs...Laois claimed one the earlier subs was a blood sub and asked could they replace the Black card which happened in the 71st minute and forth offical said it was okay.....
Ha!
A replay it is.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0621/797102-orchard-men-to-get-second-bite-of-cherry/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0621/797102-orchard-men-to-get-second-bite-of-cherry/)
Ridiculous decision. Fine if it's at club level where a referee is on his own but at inter-county level, this is all the officials fault.
I thought so too til I read this in the RTE report:
QuoteShane Murphy replaced the black-carded Brendan Quigley in injury-time before Mick Lillis' men scored their final point.
If Laois scored the winner while having an illegal sub on the field, its arguable that they directly profited from their error. Only option so is to replay the game.
Very harsh on Laois TBH...but what can u do. I'd imagine Laois will be well fired up for the replay but I don't believe it was Armagh's fault (so go easy on us). Get your house on Laois and make a few quid...
QuoteBoth counties are thought to be preparing a response to the ruling. Laois could yet seek to challenge the decision or Armagh could turn down the proposal
Turn it down fs
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Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
sure have the armagh lads not already booked their holidays or went to play ball in America?
They won't be tuned in to another game, whereas of course Laois would be expecting a game anyway. Hard to see a different result.
But if the players have any pride in the jersy then they should give it a damned good try
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"Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in."
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
QuoteBoth counties are thought to be preparing a response to the ruling. Laois could yet seek to challenge the decision or Armagh could turn down the proposal
Turn it down fs
Armagh don't deserve a replay, but they shouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth. Take their piece of luck and give it a rattle.
Cavan didn't deserve a replay v Tyrone, outplayed for most of the game, and awarded a goal at the end that was clearly not a goal (square ball). But they're not going to turn down their good luck!
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
QuoteBoth counties are thought to be preparing a response to the ruling. Laois could yet seek to challenge the decision or Armagh could turn down the proposal
Turn it down fs
here is MAN TALKING SENSE
when is it likely to be?
I can't imagine Armagh turning down the replay. Given all the pressure on McGeeney, I'm sure he'd like another craic at Laois.
Just when I heard radio etc slagging off the USGA and saying things like, 'and we thought the GAA was bad, these lads are worse', along come the GAA to say 'not so fast'.
I think it is incredible that Laois didn't have someone counting the subs.
Replay venues being discussed presently. Casement anyone ?.
It would be tough on Laois to lose home venue. It's not a replay in that sense, it's a null and void first game.
surely it will be free in
given that this was a mistake from the officials, why should people have to pay in again.
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 21, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
surely it will be free in
given that this was a mistake from the officials, why should people have to pay in again.
;D
some feckin chance
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 21, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
surely it will be free in
given that this was a mistake from the officials, why should people have to pay in again.
The GAA do love giving away free stuff right enough ;D
looking like croker on saturday :)
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Lol haha
It's been one strange few weeks.
Antrim hurlers pondering if they really want to get a replay to win a cup and play with the big boys next year. It seemed unreal reading that they had this
"Ah keep it lads" attitude.
Now here we have Armagh who beat Tyrone 3 years ago and should have beaten Donegal not too long ago, saying ahh feck it we don't really want to stay in the All Ireland any more. Go ahead Laois. You and our good friend Billy Sheehan can progress.
Cavan for Sam I reckon. They will score 5 goals v the Dubs
Quote from: lurganblue on June 21, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
QuoteBoth counties are thought to be preparing a response to the ruling. Laois could yet seek to challenge the decision or Armagh could turn down the proposal
Turn it down fs
Only correct thing to do.
Very surprised they didn't take the easy option and fine Laois.
They should have fined the officials for that f*** up over the Kernan substitution.
Odd scenario this. Very odd.
Quote from: Armamike on June 21, 2016, 03:28:54 PM
Very surprised they didn't take the easy option and fine Laois.
They should have fined the officials for that f*** up over the Kernan substitution.
Odd scenario this. Very odd.
Why oh why is there an option?
Are the rules that bad that they can't just say contravene this law and X happens rather than X, Y or Z depending on who is involved?
Is it time the rules were written for the times?
And while they're at it, ban feckin hurlers from balancing the ball on the hurl when taking frees!
Replay is fixed for Kilkenny, tomorrow night at 8.
Ffs nobody can count to 8 down there.😂
Let the CCCC make a decision and not be fudging the issue by "recommending" a replay.
Was there not a similar situation in 2012 AI Semi-Final when Mayo beat Dublin and Mayo supposedly used too many subs ?
Don't forget Armagh won a very dodgy Ulster final in 2005 and then pushed on and were within 1 kick of a ball of the eventual champions. This could be the final chapter in the book.
Well done Armagh, what a come back. McGeeney is such a genius he can catch up 3points after the final whistle.
G i wouldn't play it, getting beat by Laois 2 week on the hop, do McGeeney already under pressure management no good at all
Saturday week it is so in Portlaoise at 3 o clock with the Laois hurlers playing in Ennis at 7 o clock.!!!!!
Will there be extra time this time?
So Laois punishment for a clear breach of the rules is to be awarded a replay at home? Ridiculous decision.Should have been played in Navan
Do these controversies exist in any other organisation?
replay of the same game if the first is null and void would be at the original venue
Only in Irish sport.The IFA soccer season has dragged on for another two months,after Warrenpoint who were relegated claimed (correctly) that Carrick Rangers manager served a suspension during the wrong games.Their appeal was rejected but they took it to Sports Arbitration and decision was only announced yesterday.
I for one will not be returning to Portlaoise.If a rule has been breached then the offending party should be expelled from the competition.
If a ref misses a pick off the ground by a forward who scores the winning goal......
Clear breach of the rules missed by the official.
No,the referee judged the goal to be legitimate and is the ultimate arbiter.But over using substitutes is a clear breach of the rules.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2016, 09:34:58 PM
replay of the same game if the first is null and void would be at the original venue
But the rule book doesn't say the first game is null and void. It clearly calls it a replay not a refixture or any other description. Suspensions served during the game are still deemed served. Had it been a semi final or final, the replay (unlike the first game) would go to extra time.
It's a typical fudge decision. If a replay is a correct decision then it should be in the Athletic Grounds as a proper replay likely would have been.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 21, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
So Laois punishment for a clear breach of the rules is to be awarded a replay at home? Ridiculous decision.Should have been played in Navan
Was the Hyde not available?? Or Limerick?
If Armagh get their replay it puts the 95 all Ireland win by Dublin in doubt to some tune.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 21, 2016, 03:04:57 PM
It's been one strange few weeks.
Antrim hurlers pondering if they really want to get a replay to win a cup and play with the big boys next year. It seemed unreal reading that they had this
"Ah keep it lads" attitude.
Now here we have Armagh who beat Tyrone 3 years ago and should have beaten Donegal not too long ago, saying ahh feck it we don't really want to stay in the All Ireland any more. Go ahead Laois. You and our good friend Billy Sheehan can progress.
Cavan for Sam I reckon. They will score 5 goals v the Dubs
I heard Sheehan was involved with the Cork senior male footballers doing some coaching so I think he's a Corkman for the moment.
Was talking to someone earlier and they were recalling one of the club final that Crossmaglen won where John McEntee stayed on the pitch despite getting 2 yellow cards - the game was a replay and the replay took place in Portlaoise as well.
What happens McGeeney if Laois win again?
He'll take it on the chin...again! 😂
By that reckoning,ie reward for errors,I'm owed a free weekend in the Citywest Hotel👍
GAA Statement
Following an enquiry form the CCCC arising from the Round 1A Football Qualifier between Laois v Armagh on Saturday June 18, it has been confirmed that one extra substitute was used by Laois in error.
CCCC have proposed in accordance with rule, that this game should be replayed on Saturday July 2 at 3.0 in Portlaoise.
Laois have accepted this proposal.
So the CCCC "proposed" that the game should be replayed and Laois County Board accepted (foolishly in my opinion).
Some years ago Laois offered Carlow a replay when an obvious wide was flagged as a point - the honourable thing to do (Laois won the replay).
The honourable thing for Armagh to do if they were unhappy with last Saturday was to come out and appeal and not hide behind the skirts of the CCCC.
Make sure you book the right weekend this Time Tony!!!!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 21, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
No,the referee judged the goal to be legitimate and is the ultimate arbiter.But over using substitutes is a clear breach of the rules.
The Maor taoibhlíne and an Rèiteoir deemed Laois' last sub to be legitimate at the time :D
T Fearon, three could of happened. A fine for Laois, award the match to Armagh or as has happened a replay is ordered. As this was on the lower end of the scale ie. it was the last minute of the game and had no bearing on the game, I think a fine would have been sufficient. Armagh are lucky to be getting a replay.
Quote from: south Laois on June 21, 2016, 11:24:06 PM
T Fearon, three could of happened. A fine for Laois, award the match to Armagh or as has happened a replay is ordered. As this was on the lower end of the scale ie. it was the last minute of the game and had no bearing on the game, I think a fine would have been sufficient. Armagh are lucky to be getting a replay.
How do we know it had no bearing on the game? Who knows how players would have reacted a spare man would have been created, a defender may have moved to cover for the missing player and a goal opportunity may have arisen. It's impossible to tell. It was a one score game after all so it's impossible to say it had no impact on the game. .
A replay is a fair result but it should be a proper replay. It should be back in the athletic grounds.
Will John O'Loughlin be suspended for this game?
I blame the education system in Queen's County, and their shortage of abacus's (or is it abaci?).
Will it be free into the game?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 21, 2016, 11:48:49 PM
Will it be free into the game?
Seeing as only about 600 paid in last week it's highly unlikely.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 21, 2016, 11:42:12 PM
I blame the education system in Queen's County, and their shortage of abacus's (or is it abaci?).
Have they no fingers?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 21, 2016, 11:56:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 21, 2016, 11:42:12 PM
I blame the education system in Queen's County, and their shortage of abacus's (or is it abaci?).
Have they no fingers?
Laois people only have six fingers on each hand.
At this rate Armagh gaa could go back the the doldrums of the 1980s when the county board had to put ads in the Observer asking fans to attend championship games! :-\
In fairness there were more Armagh people there than Laois supporters. However entrances prices are scandalous for what's on offer. I won't be back.
Quote from: Ulick on June 22, 2016, 06:57:00 AM
In fairness there were more Armagh people there than Laois supporters. However entrances prices are scandalous for what's on offer. I won't be back.
How much was it in?
I thought €25 was steep for a stand ticket for the Tyrone v Cavan game too
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 21, 2016, 11:18:28 PM
GAA Statement
Following an enquiry form the CCCC arising from the Round 1A Football Qualifier between Laois v Armagh on Saturday June 18, it has been confirmed that one extra substitute was used by Laois in error.
CCCC have proposed in accordance with rule, that this game should be replayed on Saturday July 2 at 3.0 in Portlaoise.
Laois have accepted this proposal.
So the CCCC "proposed" that the game should be replayed and Laois County Board accepted (foolishly in my opinion).
Some years ago Laois offered Carlow a replay when an obvious wide was flagged as a point - the honourable thing to do (Laois won the replay).
The honourable thing for Armagh to do if they were unhappy with last Saturday was to come out and appeal and not hide behind the skirts of the CCCC.
I don't think this is anything to do with Armagh. We didn't ask for this as far as I can see
So how do the Armagh players feel about this? Surely after the game there was the usual end of season chat, thanks to everyone, relief its over in some quarters I'm sure.......glad to get back to club football, plan a break/holiday, have a few beers etc......then all of a sudden you are called back to training......couldn't be easy?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 22, 2016, 08:02:34 AM
Quote from: Ulick on June 22, 2016, 06:57:00 AM
In fairness there were more Armagh people there than Laois supporters. However entrances prices are scandalous for what's on offer. I won't be back.
How much was it in?
I thought €25 was steep for a stand ticket for the Tyrone v Cavan game too
€20 for adults and €5 for children (including infants and tots). That was €65 in for us plus, diesel, food and snacks and then a meal on the way home. Wouldn't have minded the €20 even if it was exorbitant but the charge for toddlers left a very bad taste. It was cheaper to get into the Rackard & Ring finals in Croker the other week ffs.
I copped for a fecking DKNY handbag in Kildare Village for the missus on the way home too.😖
Quote from: Gael85 on June 21, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Will John O'Loughlin be suspended for this game?
No his suspension is up and is free to play against Armagh, the game was counted so he's free to play.
Quote from: illdecide on June 22, 2016, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 21, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Will John O'Loughlin be suspended for this game?
No his suspension is up and is free to play against Armagh, the game was counted so he's free to play.
If the game is null and void and its not a replay of the game its the original game again then how is he allowed play????
This is a farce.....
Laois all them years ago offered Carlow a replay when the officals got a laois score wrong which tv pictures showed it was wide ....
Laois again have showed sportsmanship by accepting this decesion without contest....
With the whole fiasco of Nolan park and now this it seems the powers to be have it in for the O'Moore county....
Ps.I remember the Carlow gate in the early 90s the crowd that turned up for the replay was unreal I don't think we will see such a crowd here!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
More importantly, the result was the only one that let me down in my 5 team accumulator!! Will the CCC 'recommend' that paddy power gives me my stake back, or pays out on the 4 viable results and one non-runner?? ;)
Quote from: gaa.boy on June 22, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
More importantly, the result was the only one that let me down in my 5 team accumulator!! Will the CCC 'recommend' that paddy power gives me my stake back, or pays out on the 4 viable results and one non-runner?? ;)
Wondered that myself.
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 22, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 22, 2016, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on June 21, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Will John O'Loughlin be suspended for this game?
No his suspension is up and is free to play against Armagh, the game was counted so he's free to play.
If the game is null and void and its not a replay of the game its the original game again then how is he allowed play????
This is a farce.....
Laois all them years ago offered Carlow a replay when the officals got a laois score wrong which tv pictures showed it was wide ....
Laois again have showed sportsmanship by accepting this decesion without contest....
With the whole fiasco of Nolan park and now this it seems the powers to be have it in for the O'Moore county....
Ps.I remember the Carlow gate in the early 90s the crowd that turned up for the replay was unreal I don't think we will see such a crowd here!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
Sportsmanship or pragmatism? Would Laois have been turfed out if they lost an appeal against this?
Laois should have called CCCC's bluff and not accepted replay proposal.
There were then 2 options
1. a fine for Laois
2. Laois thrown out - Clare would get a bye in Qualifier Round 2
The absence of sportsmanship on the Armagh side should be plain for all to see.
There couldn't get through front door or back door so they sneak in through an open window.
It's not too late for them to redeem themselves and refuse replay.
No team would turn down a second chance.For sporting integrity rules must be obeyed.
if this game is termed a Replay and not a rematch, should it not be in the Athletic grounds?
Experience of challenges to previous GAA rulings should show you a good legal mind would probably walk all over this decision if laois wanted to go down that route. As a laois person I wouldn't like them fighting this in committee rooms. We've already won this once on the pitch (and no matter what people hide behind the truth is laois were by far the better team) and it would be preferable to do it's that way again
Seems to be a contradiction in terms here alright. If it's a rematch, then the first game should be null and void. Hosted again in Portlaoise, but John O'Loughlin should not be allowed play. In essence the first game never happened. (and fans should be allowed in free).
If it is a 'replay', then it should be in Armagh, and John O'Loughlin should be free to play.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 22, 2016, 10:38:58 AM
Laois should have called CCCC's bluff and not accepted replay proposal.
There were then 2 options
1. a fine for Laois
2. Laois thrown out - Clare would get a bye in Qualifier Round 2 - I don't think this is correct? I think the game would have been awarded to armagh rather than laois forfeiting the qualifier round 2 game
The absence of sportsmanship on the Armagh side should be plain for all to see.
There couldn't get through front door or back door so they sneak in through an open window.
It's not too late for them to redeem themselves and refuse replay.
Why should Armagh refuse a replay?
Laois broke a rule
The punishment for breaking such a rule is a fine, a replay or forfeiting the game.
The CCCC chose the replay punishment.
Why have rules at all if we don't enforce them?
If Armagh had a spare man for the last minute or so of the game who is to say that they wouldn't have scored a goal to win the game instead of conceding another point?
I think the replay is the correct option.
On a slightly separate point, HOW is this even allowed to happen by the fourth official? The fourth official has about 3 jobs, one of which should be to COUNT the subs on each team! It's not rocket science.
was the 4th official not introduced to take this respondsility from the teams.
if anyone should be sanctioned it shou be the 4th official
Between the Christy Ring Final Ref and this sideline (8th) official -
Time the GAA brought in numeracy tests for match officials.
As for umpires and eye tests - some right carry on n in Carrick last Sunday by all accounts.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 22, 2016, 10:38:58 AM
Laois should have called CCCC's bluff and not accepted replay proposal.
There were then 2 options
1. a fine for Laois
2. Laois thrown out - Clare would get a bye in Qualifier Round 2
The absence of sportsmanship on the Armagh side should be plain for all to see.
There couldn't get through front door or back door so they sneak in through an open window.
It's not too late for them to redeem themselves and refuse replay.
No, I think technically Laois would forfeit the game meaning the win awarded to Armagh who would get a bye through to play Clare.
Quote from: maccer on June 22, 2016, 10:43:10 AM
Experience of challenges to previous GAA rulings should show you a good legal mind would probably walk all over this decision if laois wanted to go down that route. As a laois person I wouldn't like them fighting this in committee rooms. We've already won this once on the pitch (and no matter what people hide behind the truth is laois were by far the better team) and it would be preferable to do it's that way again
Read the rulebook. It's very clear. It's also the reason the CCCC couldn't ignore the Laois error, as otherwise Armagh would have had a slam dunk opportunity to object.
Of course Laois accepted it as they know full well that a hearing on foot of an Armagh objection could have decided (perfectly validly) to kick them out of the Championship.
I think its fair to say that majority of true Armagh fans accepted we were beat by a better team last Saturday and that the decision is a bit harsh on Laois, Armagh were poor and the best team on the day won the match. I think it's also fair to say that Armagh did not make a complaint about this 7th sub issue it was the CCCC who picked up on it and the wheels were already in motion early Monday morning.
A whole pile of scenarios could have happened if this and that (we'll never know)but Armagh have got a 2nd chance to redeem themselves and to say for them to decline the opportunity is silly. If we go down and are beat again (which is likely given morale, on the beer and injuries) then fair play to Laois and we'll wish them luck against Clare.
I feel there may well be a bit more interest at this game and a larger crowd than last Saturday should be in attendance, some Laois fans may go to the game and hopefully a few more Armagh people make the journey and with a bit of luck a football match could break out and may the best team win...
P.S. if Armagh were to win we'll agree to play you again so it's best of 3 (that is a joke btw)
Quote from: gaa.boy on June 22, 2016, 09:46:23 AM
More importantly, the result was the only one that let me down in my 5 team accumulator!! Will the CCC 'recommend' that paddy power gives me my stake back, or pays out on the 4 viable results and one non-runner?? ;)
interesting very interesting....
both teams have benefited from this ruling ie Armagh are still in the championship and Laois didn't get kicked out
Can HQ clarify if the first match is actually null and void, if the next game is a replay, a rematch or just the match ! Surely it has to be null and void, so individual championship appearances, individual scoring etc don't count ??
The suspended player should in no shape or form be able to play in this game (no harm to him)
Quote from: JoG2 on June 22, 2016, 12:23:00 PM
both teams have benefited from this ruling ie Armagh are still in the championship and Laois didn't get kicked out
Can HQ clarify if the first match is actually null and void, if the next game is a replay, a rematch or just the match ! Surely it has to be null and void, so individual championship appearances, individual scoring etc don't count ??
The suspended player should in no shape or form be able to play in this game (no harm to him)
It's not null and void once the CCCC accepts the referee's report, which it has done.
The suspended player has served his suspension. End of.
Read the rulebook. It's very clear. It's also the reason the CCCC couldn't ignore the Laois error, as otherwise Armagh would have had a slam dunk opportunity to object.
Of course Laois accepted it as they know full well that a hearing on foot of an Armagh objection could have decided (perfectly validly) to kick them out of the Championship.
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For a start I believe laois should accept this and move on to win the next game as we won the first. As regards not accepting....Just think of recent high profile challenges to gaa rulings. Most would have said the rulebook was clear but plenty of holes were found. If the roles were reversed I would be disappointed if laois took Armagh's stance. If laois do win the next day it will only drive armagh football into deeper depression
The only error really on the CCCC'S behalf is that the game should be in Armagh but they likely went with hat from a moral perspective knowing Armagh weren't going to argue.
What happens if you put a bet on Armagh to win the original fixture, is it refundable, does it roll onto the next match or is it lost?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2016, 01:24:21 PM
What happens if you put a bet on Armagh to win the original fixture, is it refundable, does it roll onto the next match or is it lost?
What happens if you bet on Laois and were paid out - do you give the money back to the bookie?
QuotePost-match enquiries into match results and subsequent changes or disqualification will be ignored for settlement purposes and will be settled on that day's match result.
Quote from: No wides on June 22, 2016, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2016, 01:24:21 PM
What happens if you put a bet on Armagh to win the original fixture, is it refundable, does it roll onto the next match or is it lost?
What happens if you bet on Laois and were paid out - do you give the money back to the bookie?
No.
I know in horse racing most bookies pay out double result if the result gets overturned after a sewarts enquiry, would this be similar whereby they refund the stake?
So you are just looking a win win situation - maybe you shouldn't bet?
Quote from: No wides on June 22, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
So you are just looking a win win situation - maybe you shouldn't bet?
Huh?
I'm asking a reasonable question. Considering Laois broke the rules in the first match and the GAA's ruling committee have decided the fairest outcome is a replay then I don't think it is unreasonable to ask the same question of a bookie. I'll take my medicine either way.
Why have you got such a bee in your bonnett, unless your a bookie?
Quote from: maccer on June 22, 2016, 01:18:20 PM
Read the rulebook. It's very clear. It's also the reason the CCCC couldn't ignore the Laois error, as otherwise Armagh would have had a slam dunk opportunity to object.
Of course Laois accepted it as they know full well that a hearing on foot of an Armagh objection could have decided (perfectly validly) to kick them out of the Championship.
For a start I believe laois should accept this and move on to win the next game as we won the first. As regards not accepting....Just think of recent high profile challenges to gaa rulings. Most would have said the rulebook was clear but plenty of holes were found. If the roles were reversed I would be disappointed if laois took Armagh's stance. If laois do win the next day it will only
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I am not sure that is possible
Interestingly if the result of the first game counts, unless we win Sam, will Armagh go down in the record books as the first team to lose 3 championship games in the one year?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 22, 2016, 08:58:58 AM
I copped for a fecking DKNY handbag in Kildare Village for the missus on the way home too.😖
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does not count. Need to get her a new one. Ye have to admit armagh are the luckiest bastards playing our sacred games.
Quote from: No wides on June 22, 2016, 01:30:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2016, 01:24:21 PM
What happens if you put a bet on Armagh to win the original fixture, is it refundable, does it roll onto the next match or is it lost?
What happens if you bet on Laois and were paid out - do you give the money back to the bookie?
Yeah Laois fans, give it back you toe-rags!
Laois should do the honorable thing and forfeit the game, save us the trip back down. An apology wouldn't go amiss either.
Email from ticket office saying season ticket holders charged 5 euros (after discount of 5) for this game, which is now practically £5 sterling! Not a big price admittedly but just for once,couldn't season ticket holders have been admitted free,and their loyalty recognised?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 22, 2016, 02:37:33 PM
Interestingly if the result of the first game counts, unless we win Sam, will Armagh go down in the record books as the first team to lose 3 championship games in the one year?
Would it mean that Armagh won Sam through the side door
If they gave out Sam Maguires for being the worst county board in the country, Armagh would win it every time. The Orange Order would make a better fist of administering the county set-up than the clowns in place at the minute.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 25, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
If they gave out Sam Maguires for being the worst county board in the country, Armagh would win it every time. The Orange Order would make a better fist of administering the county set-up than the clowns in place at the minute.
Rich from an Antrim man...
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: The Bearded One on June 25, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 25, 2016, 09:53:16 PM
If they gave out Sam Maguires for being the worst county board in the country, Armagh would win it every time. The Orange Order would make a better fist of administering the county set-up than the clowns in place at the minute.
Rich from an Antrim man...
He's from Armagh.
I thought he is a Tyrone man.
Surely our faulty floodlights have our county board landing every Sam till they're put up again.
Juice. At least only yer floodlights were falling down.
Not your effing stands!!
Can I have our Sam Maguire now please?
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
Have you seen Casement Park? Get yer hands off that feckin cup.
This is one competition Antrim can win.
Our stands were a fire safety risk I'll have you know.
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
Have you seen Casement Park? Get yer hands off that feckin cup.
I'll see your Casement and raise you. Our ground took 16 years to rebuild.
16 years is small fry. Casement will beat that ;D >:(
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 25, 2016, 11:56:33 PM
16 years is small fry. Casement will beat that ;D >:(
Well, until then, give us that feckin' cup.
Looking at Justin McNulty and Paul McGraynor in Cavan last night - they both could still make that Armagh team! In greta shape the pair of them.
Quote from: Give and Go on June 26, 2016, 07:15:32 AM
Looking at Justin McNulty and Paul McGraynor in Cavan last night - they both could still make that Armagh team! In greta shape the pair of them.
Why were they getting put through their paces? They're about 42 - 43 year old ffs, wise up. I believe Armagh had a few tough training sessions last week, nothing better to take away the sorrow of a defeat and get you refocused for next sat.
Not sure what the story is regarding injuries for next weekend? Have any of them cleared up? I believe C McKeever broke his foot last week playing club football and i think i heard J Morgan got his hand operation last week too. The odds have fairly changed from last weekend...You can now get Armagh at 9/4 with Laois at 1/2 on Paddypower this morning...
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Yeah, heard that too. One other was due to go but fecked his shoulder before the last game and his season now looks over.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camp this looks damming
Quote from: illdecide on June 26, 2016, 09:42:10 AM
Quote from: Give and Go on June 26, 2016, 07:15:32 AM
Looking at Justin McNulty and Paul McGraynor in Cavan last night - they both could still make that Armagh team! In greta shape the pair of them.
Why were they getting put through their paces? They're about 42 - 43 year old ffs, wise up. I believe Armagh had a few tough training sessions last week, nothing better to take away the sorrow of a defeat and get you refocused for next sat.
Not sure what the story is regarding injuries for next weekend? Have any of them cleared up? I believe C McKeever broke his foot last week playing club football and i think i heard J Morgan got his hand operation last week too. The odds have fairly changed from last weekend...You can now get Armagh at 9/4 with Laois at 1/2 on Paddypower this morning...
How's the fella he kicked?
Quote from: illdecide on June 26, 2016, 09:42:10 AM
Quote from: Give and Go on June 26, 2016, 07:15:32 AM
Looking at Justin McNulty and Paul McGraynor in Cavan last night - they both could still make that Armagh team! In greta shape the pair of them.
Why were they getting put through their paces? They're about 42 - 43 year old ffs, wise up. I believe Armagh had a few tough training sessions last week, nothing better to take away the sorrow of a defeat and get you refocused for next sat.
Not sure what the story is regarding injuries for next weekend? Have any of them cleared up? I believe C McKeever broke his foot last week playing club football and i think i heard J Morgan got his hand operation last week too. The odds have fairly changed from last weekend...You can now get Armagh at 9/4 with Laois at 1/2 on Paddypower this morning...
Not sure McKeever will be a huge miss. The old McKeever battling for loose ball at CHB and linking up play with his kick passing is gone. Hasn't been seen in a long time. Age and injuries. The goal in the first match shows you were he is in terms of pace. He did a fair enough job as the sweeper in front of Kingston picking up ball broken by Donaghy. That is the role that we will need a replacement for an we have players who can do that. Would expect Connell to come in and a fit Shields to switch to that role.
That aside I would expect to see minimal changes.
McParland's confidence looks shot but he is at least a natural full forward. I would like to see him selected rather than yet another utility forward. But crucially Armagh need to spend the full 2 weeks working on a plan on getting quick ball from back to front so that the score takers stand a chance. If McGeeney hasn't worked this out and got on with it then he may forget about the management game and stick to that arm wrestling/rolling around in tight shorts stuff that he bes at.
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2016, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camp this looks damming
I'm surprised they are staying. It seems that their thinking is "If we go out of the championship, I'm heading to America". They went out and organised their plans. They got back in and cancelled their plans. Many would have gone anyway.
We are grateful for small mercies.
Larger mercies seem somewhat scarce
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camfdp this looks damming
I think the plans were only organised after the defeat to Laois and once the rematch was made plans were changed. Not sure how it will effect the players but I would prefer to look on the bright side and say they changed plans because they wanted to play for their county.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 26, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camfdp this looks damming
I think the plans were only organised after the defeat to Laois and once the rematch was made plans were changed. Not sure how it will effect the players but I would prefer to look on the bright side and say they changed plans because they wanted to play for their county.
So the plans were all made on the Sunday, eh? Is that "looking on the bright side" or fact?
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 26, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camfdp this looks damming
I think the plans were only organised after the defeat to Laois and once the rematch was made plans were changed. Not sure how it will effect the players but I would prefer to look on the bright side and say they changed plans because they wanted to play for their county.
So the plans were all made on the Sunday, eh? Is that "looking on the bright side" or fact?
Nothing is as simple as that.
Suffice to say that this has given some players a bit of a conundrum. They do want to play for Armagh though.
Quote from: Throw ball on June 26, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on June 26, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 26, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2016, 09:44:13 AM
Nobody away to the USA? Heard 2 starting players from the last day mentioned.
I think these plans were put on hold once the possibility of a rematch was on the table.
Staggering stuff.
So 2 of our starting 15 had planned to the US after the first round of the qualifiers i.e. the earliest stage we go out????????
Then they postpone their plans because we have another game. Shows you that they they are prepared to hang around and play they just don't think we will have many games to play!! The phrase "put on hold" does not inspire much hope.
As a signal from within the camfdp this looks damming
I think the plans were only organised after the defeat to Laois and once the rematch was made plans were changed. Not sure how it will effect the players but I would prefer to look on the bright side and say they changed plans because they wanted to play for their county.
So the plans were all made on the Sunday, eh? Is that "looking on the bright side" or fact?
Nothing is as simple as that.
Suffice to say that this has given some players a bit of a conundrum. They do want to play for Armagh though.
I don'y doubt that. But that is not what is being exposed here. You are answering the wrong question
You obviously don't know much about how the states thing works.
That players reversed their plans for a summer in America after flights, accommodation, jobs etc. We're probably in place is quite a big statement for lads who people like you would have us believe are clinically depressed former footballers frog marched to their punishment in Armagh three times a week.
Is there a chink of light in that Armagh have nothing to lose? Maybe.
It really does confound me that o'loughlin's suspension is deemed served though.
Quote from: smelmoth on June 26, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
So the plans were all made on the Sunday, eh? Is that "looking on the bright side" or fact?
You are making too much of this. They decided to go when they were out, that they have cancelled this when the replay arose suggests that they would not have launched these plans until they were out.
I expect the result may not be much different this time, but Armagh played a bit in the first half of the last day and might be able to build on that.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2016, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
Have you seen Casement Park? Get yer hands off that feckin cup.
This is one competition Antrim can win.
Considering Armagh minors failed to field in an Ulster championship match yesterday, the trimmings Down are taking in both hurling and football, Antrims fall from grace, its a three horse race.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2016, 10:55:30 PM
You obviously don't know much about how the states thing works.
That players reversed their plans for a summer in America after flights, accommodation, jobs etc. We're probably in place is quite a big statement
If the flights were booked on the sunday then you are right I don't know much about how the states thing works.
We get another go at Laois this saturday. I wouldn't expect any starting player to enter the field with any thoughts of "lose this and I'll book the flights tomorrow".
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2016, 10:55:30 PM
for lads who people like you would have us believe are clinically depressed former footballers frog marched to their punishment in Armagh three times a week.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2016, 10:55:30 PM
Is there a chink of light in that Armagh have nothing to lose? Maybe.
There is more than a chink of light. We should be beating Laois and given two chances at it there is no excuse.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 26, 2016, 10:55:30 PM
It really does confound me that o'loughlin's suspension is deemed served though.
Even Jarlath couldn't defend that one.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 27, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2016, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
Have you seen Casement Park? Get yer hands off that feckin cup.
This is one competition Antrim can win.
Considering Armagh minors failed to field in an Ulster championship match yesterday, the trimmings Down are taking in both hurling and football, Antrims fall from grace, its a three horse race.
The Armagh thing is specific to the state of the underage game in the county. It will happen to football too. We will still be able to filed as we are not relying on a small number of clubs as we are in hurling but numbers at clubs in football is falling. A few honorable exceptions.
Smelmoth is your surname Fearon by any chance ;D
Quote from: illdecide on June 27, 2016, 09:48:53 AM
Smelmoth is your surname Fearon by any chance ;D
Tony and I are hardly friends. I was sitting 2 yards from him the last day out. As the mood descended at the end of the game I was tempted to introduce myself and tell him just what I thought of him.
Idiocy must be contactable through vicinity
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 27, 2016, 09:54:58 AM
Idiocy must be contactable through vicinity
Big man. Big contribution. Legend. The kids must be proud
Whatever the expectations of the individual fans I would expect a large and vocal armagh support at this one.
As much as we can accept that they beat us fair and square the last day in footballing terms the fact is nobody came out thinking Laois were top drawer or even close to it or unbeatable.
A bit of tactical nouse and a slightly different balance in the selection and we can (and should) win this one and rock on to Clare. We have other problems that it will take a winter to fix but our season isn't over yet and doesn't need to be on Saturday
Looking forward to having the Armagh lads down again in Portlaoise we had great craic with the few that were down the last day.
Peigs,Maggie Mays, Kavanaghs, and Bergins are all good GAA pubs in the Town.
O'Loughlins Hotel is a nice cheap small hotel to stay in with decent grub.
I can see this being a tight game with Armagh learning a lot from the previous game.
However I think Laois will be more efficent in front of goals than they were the last day and that will be enough to beat Armagh
Prediction
Laois 2-14 Armagh 0-15 points
Armagh to win, but be the real losers in the end.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 28, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Armagh to win, but be the real losers in the end.
Fielding a team will be the problem...2 Clann Eireann minors brought into squad i believe...(thats what i was told this morning anyway)
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2016, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 28, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Armagh to win, but be the real losers in the end.
Fielding a team will be the problem...2 Clann Eireann minors brought into squad i believe...(thats what i was told this morning anyway)
Chances of Laois buying this little ruse? 0%
Quote from: Orior on June 29, 2016, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 29, 2016, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 28, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Armagh to win, but be the real losers in the end.
Fielding a team will be the problem...2 Clann Eireann minors brought into squad i believe...(thats what i was told this morning anyway)
Chances of Laois buying this little ruse? 0%
Heard today they have pulled a few recent retirees and
4/5 minors due to injuries! That's eithor desperation or giving up on this year and looking to next year?!?!??
These lads were called in to help out with training games.
The Armagh team almost picks itself due to the lengthy injury list.
Sooner this is over and Armagh are out the better, embarrassing stuff altogether.
Armagh ain't pulling the wool over an Laois eye as Laois have a person very close to the Armagh camp I know him well and he says Armagh are putting in a massive effort for this and training has gone well since last Thursday.
Yes they have a few injuries but a county with the Quality of player that Armagh will mean it would be a tough test for anyone ...
I'm sorry that McKeever is injured he was the real weak point in the Armagh defence the last day and with all due respect to the old warrior his days at intercounty were numbered and he couldn't stay with Paul Cahilanne two weeks ago thus dropping back in to play a sweepers role in front of Kingston which he also failed at.
Can't understand why O'Loughlin is allowed play if this is a re fixture makes no sense I hope Laois leave him on the bench because as effective and powerful as he is the lads played better when they went down to 14 against Dublin and better without him the last day.
Its not that he isn't a class footballer its a case of where to play him Meaney and Quigley are as good a pairing as you'd get in the country and play well with each other.
O'Loughlin is too loose in the backs and takes a bit much out of it at centre forward ...Maybe throw him in Full forward at 6-3 it would allow the giant that is Donie Kingston a corner spot and cause Armagh real problems with a high ball.
Ticket prices are a joke £8 or €10 and fr u16s €5 or £5 ...It should be €5 for all and kids free......GAA are a joke!
Prediction:
Half time: Laois 0-8 Armagh 0-6
Full time: Laois 0-12 Armagh 0-12
Extra time: Laois 1-14 Armagh 0-17
Both teams happy to be still playing mid July.
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 30, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
Armagh ain't pulling the wool over an Laois eye as Laois have a person very close to the Armagh camp I know him well and he says Armagh are putting in a massive effort for this and training has gone well since last Thursday.
Yes they have a few injuries but a county with the Quality of player that Armagh will mean it would be a tough test for anyone ...
I'm sorry that McKeever is injured he was the real weak point in the Armagh defence the last day and with all due respect to the old warrior his days at intercounty were numbered and he couldn't stay with Paul Cahilanne two weeks ago thus dropping back in to play a sweepers role in front of Kingston which he also failed at.
Can't understand why O'Loughlin is allowed play if this is a re fixture makes no sense I hope Laois leave him on the bench because as effective and powerful as he is the lads played better when they went down to 14 against Dublin and better without him the last day.
Its not that he isn't a class footballer its a case of where to play him Meaney and Quigley are as good a pairing as you'd get in the country and play well with each other.
O'Loughlin is too loose in the backs and takes a bit much out of it at centre forward ...Maybe throw him in Full forward at 6-3 it would allow the giant that is Donie Kingston a corner spot and cause Armagh real problems with a high ball.
Ticket prices are a joke £8 or €10 and fr u16s €5 or £5 ...It should be €5 for all and kids free......GAA are a joke!
Agree 100% on ticket prices especially kids.
Don't think Armagh are trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. We are a couple of players down on the last day and Laois are a player up. Common sense would say Laois should win. But then again when did sport ever make sense.
Only 2 changes in the named team. To be honest at this stage I think Connell is a better player than McKeever so I don't see that as a weakening. Don't know enough about Sheridan happy to see him at half back rather than midfield.
4 half forwards, a midfielder and genuine full forward named in the forward line looks like we might not have learned the lessons from the last day. Hopefully Soupy doesn't have to come wandering leaving us with no scoring threat. Sort that and get the ball to the half forward line sorted and the game is very, very winnable
1 Patrick Morrison (Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha)
2 Shea Heffron (Clann Éireann)
3 Brendan Donaghy (An Chluain Mhór)
4 Joe McElroy (Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha)
5 Seán Connell (Coilleach Eanach)
6 Andy Mallon (Na Pairnéil)
7 Stephen Sheridan (Foirceal)
8 Charlie Vernon (Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha)
9 Aaron Findon (Naomh Peadar)
10 Tony Kernan (Raonaithe na Croise)
11 Rory Grugan (Baile Mhic An Aba)
12 Aidan Forker (Machaire)
13 Niall Grimley (Na Madáin)
14 Stefan Campbell (Clann na nGael)
15 Miceal McKenna (An Ghráinseach)
What time is this on at? Work is taking me to Portlaoise at the weekend. May toddle along to it.
I am not travelling to this game.There is no integrity in this fixture.If Laois broke the rules they should have been ejected from the competition.Armagh will gain no credit in the (highly unlikely ) event they win.
Also as someone mentioned in the Irish news yesterday,all Armagh (and by implication any other county) has to do to avoid defeat from now on is,regardless of how many they are trailing by on the scoreboard,simply make a seventh substitution and earn a replay.That is after all the logical outcome following this precedent.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 01, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
Also as someone mentioned in the Irish news yesterday,all Armagh (and by implication any other county) has to do to avoid defeat from now on is,regardless of how many they are trailing by on the scoreboard,simply make a seventh substitution and earn a replay.That is after all the logical outcome following this precedent.
If a losing team gets away with 7 subs and anybody noticed they'll be hit with a fine.
I'd say every 4th official and score board operator from Killorglin to Killbegs, got an almighty kick up the hole over the past couple of weeks. Can't see this carry on happening again.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 01, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
I am not travelling to this game.There is no integrity in this fixture.If Laois broke the rules they should have been ejected from the competition.Armagh will gain no credit in the (highly unlikely ) event they win.
Also as someone mentioned in the Irish news yesterday,all Armagh (and by implication any other county) has to do to avoid defeat from now on is,regardless of how many they are trailing by on the scoreboard,simply make a seventh substitution and earn a replay.That is after all the logical outcome following this precedent.
No. A losing team can make as many illegal substitutions as they want and wont get a replay, regardless of how many they are trailing by on the scoreboard.
Will this be available to watch online? Can't find anything on armagh gaa to about it...
Quote from: Santino on July 02, 2016, 10:00:33 AM
Will this be available to watch online? Can't find anything on armagh gaa to about it...
No, it's on Midlands radio.
Also on BBC Radio Ulster. The precedent has been set,exceeding the number of alloted substitutions now results in a replay,at the home ground of the offending party.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/northern-ireland/36576472
Laois 0-5 Armagh 0-1 24 minutes
Sounds like another brutal performance by Armagh
7 wides and a couple more dropped short from Armagh already.
Laois have a fair number of wides/short as well.
Laois 1-5 Armagh 0-1 32 minutes
Brutal stuff by Armagh.
Laois have created a couple of goal chances and kicked a fair few scorable wides as well and sounds like they should be a bit further ahead.
Defensive game, Laois aren't great, but Armagh's shooting is woeful and not acceptable for an county team.
Laois 1-6 1-5 Armagh. Armagh appear to be going for it.
Armagh now up 1-08 to 1-06!
Have Laois stopped playing?
Laois pull one back, 12 minutes left.
Level
Laois take the lead and Armagh respond almost immediately through Brendan Donaghy.
Laois now two up, look likes it done. 33 minutes gone. Findon sent off!
Armagh peg one back. Sounds like a good game.
Laois win by one.
Can we play you,
Can we play you,
Can we play you every week,
CAN WE PLAY YOU EVVVVVVVERY WEEK.......
Well at least Armagh got some self esteem back in the second half. A couple more of those points in the first half and we might have nicked it. Discipline suspect, as usual.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2016, 04:30:42 PM
Armagh peg one back. Sounds like a good game.
Poor quality game. Match lost in the first half only way is up for Armagh next year. Clare will probably beat Laois next Saturday.
Quote from: laoislad on July 02, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
Can we play you,
Can we play you,
Can we play you every week,
CAN WE PLAY YOU EVVVVVVVERY WEEK.......
No, because you've obviously learnt to count.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 02, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
Can we play you,
Can we play you,
Can we play you every week,
CAN WE PLAY YOU EVVVVVVVERY WEEK.......
No, because you've obviously learnt to count.
Off with yiz to the CCCC now and see if your can find another loophole ;)
Wasn't it cruel for Laois to hand you the game in the 2nd half and then snatch it back.
Quote from: general_lee on June 21, 2016, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 18, 2016, 05:08:56 PM
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Lol haha
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Indiscipline cost Armagh again?
Armagh become the first team in history to lose 3 championship games in one summer.
#SackChuckyNed
Quote from: tyroneman on July 02, 2016, 06:37:12 PM
Indiscipline cost Armagh again?
To be fair I do not know what Findon got sent of for and nor did anyone around me. The Laois number 24? scored a free and went running straight at Findon roaring. They both then got involved in a bit of pulling and hauling. Whatever the linesman told the referee got Findon sent off. Considering the same linesman got Forker a yellow card when the Laois number 8 punched him in the groin area says much. I suspect both players reputation did not help. In general it was a very sporting game well refereed. Armagh were brutal in the first half but once they upped the pace in the second half they were playing well. Laois subs took the game back their way. Injuries took the toll on Armagh as they did not appear to have the subs to introduce.
Ironic that in a refixture a player suspended from the original game scored the winner.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 02, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
Ironic that in a refixture a player suspended from the original game scored the winner.
Ye'd nearly deserve a replay or a refixture or something!
Quote from: The Down Way on July 02, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Armagh become the first team in history to lose 3 championship games in one summer.
#SackChuckyNed
Losing 3 games in the championship is unusual, but hardly as notable as losing every game in the entire year.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 02, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on July 02, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Armagh become the first team in history to lose 3 championship games in one summer.
#SackChuckyNed
Losing 3 games in the championship is unusual, but hardly as notable as losing every game in the entire year.
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Quote from: The Down Way on July 02, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Armagh become the first team in history to lose 3 championship games in one summer.
#SackChuckyNed
You are as much an embarrassment on this thread as you are on the Down thread
Quote from: The Down Way on July 02, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
Armagh become the first team in history to lose 3 championship games in one summer.
#SackChuckyNed
First match was null and void, so technically it's still only 2 losses.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on July 02, 2016, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 02, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 02, 2016, 04:56:33 PM
Can we play you,
Can we play you,
Can we play you every week,
CAN WE PLAY YOU EVVVVVVVERY WEEK.......
No, because you've obviously learnt to count.
Off with yiz to the CCCC now and see if your can find another loophole ;)
Wasn't it cruel for Laois to hand you the game in the 2nd half and then snatch it back.
Well, if you don't play by the rules, you suffer the consequences. The fact that you were allowed to remain in the championship is the unfortunate thing. You should have been out on your ear.
Laois should've put another sub and beat Armagh again in another replay.
armagh played some great stuff at the second half. This was against an uber defensive team. When Laois went 8:1 up they really started to sit back and wasted time. Bringing the keeper up t hit a 45 in the 1st half only for him to kick the ball backwards say it all really. But f**k did we put it up to then at the very time when they should have been hardest to break down. We made good decisions and executed them fairly well. This was in complete contradistinction to how we went about our business in the first half.
The reality is we have struggled against defensive teams all year and from the beginning under McGeeney. The only time we have really looked comfortable in what we were doing and getting the sort of performances and results this group of players is capable of achieving is when we have abandoned the tactic that McGeeney & Co are 100% committed to.
McGeeney has to go. Armagh have 3 choices.
1) Get rid of McGeeeny, O'Rourke, Hollywood et al and get a managerial team who can set up an attack.
2) Keep McGeeney and let him get on with the tactic (singular) that he is comfortable with but is guaranteed to fail.
3) Keep McGeeney and get him to commit to tactics that he doesn't believe in and trust him to get it across to the team better than someone who actually believes in the tactic.
If Kieran attempts to stay on I would question his self respect.
If the county board allow him to stay on I would question their competence.
What performance targets were set for the management and coaching staff? Who is measuring them and they competent to do so?
Any club delegate who votes to keep this regime in place or sits on their hole and doesn't ask the required question and demand real and robust answers is not being honest. They certainly do not have the best interests of Armagh football in mind.
Quote from: Itchy on July 02, 2016, 10:36:22 PM
Laois should've put another sub and beat Armagh again in another replay.
They are our bitches now. Beat them in the league and beat them twice in the qualifiers ;D
Quote from: laoislad on July 02, 2016, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 02, 2016, 10:36:22 PM
Laois should've put another sub and beat Armagh again in another replay.
They are our bitches now. Beat them in the league and beat them twice in the qualifiers ;D
We're narrowing the gap.
Laoislad in response to your "Can we play you every week?" To the tune of Seasons in the Sun
"We can count
We can spell
We can read and write
As well!"
Armagh's cause wasn't helped by key players (Jamie Clarke) and key supporters (Tony Fearon) jumping ship :-\
Only county to lose three championship matches in the one year?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
Only county to lose three championship matches in the one year?
Yeah that was mentioned earlier...
As was the question are Down the only team to go through a full year without winning a game
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
Only county to lose three championship matches in the one year?
It's still only two.
It looked like three matches to me.
Technically the first game was null and void and did not happen so only two 'real' defeats. Wasn't at the game so can't comment on it apart from what I've gleaned from reading stuff on the Armagh forum. It seems like once the group decided to play football they were the better team and could have won it. Who made the decision to do this? There's a lot of talk about there not being the players etc etc. Pure bullshit. There's players there to perform better than they have. What I've seen is a group of lads who look heavy legged and heavy minded afraid to express themselves. Whether it's under Geezer or other management they need to be let loose, go and play the f**king game. It's players instincts to want to attack and win by attacking, let them do it and see what happens. It can be no worse than the last 2 years!
Quote from: time ticking away on July 03, 2016, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
Only county to lose three championship matches in the one year?
Yeah that was mentioned earlier...
As was the question are Down the only team to go through a full year without winning a game
New york pretty much every year. I'm sure london have done it. Very possible antrim did it the year they were in division 2 :(
Though i would guess that's more a dig at down...
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2016, 07:35:59 AM
Laoislad in response to your "Can we play you every week?" To the tune of Seasons in the Sun
"We can count
We can spell
We can read and write
As well!"
"But ye can't punctuate."
Or play football
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
Sepp Blatter is obviously on the CCCC panel.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2016, 10:45:09 AM
It looked like three matches to me.
Did Clare's 98 semi final 'win' count, when the ref blew up early?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
Armagh raised the 7th sub issue with CCCC behind the scenes (not out in the open).
I believe CCCC had a number of options including a replay and throwing Laois out.
If Laois were thrown out then Clare would have had bye in qualifier Round 2 - no benefit to Armagh.
At Armagh's behest the CCCC proposed that Laois would offer a replay and Laois Co Board agreed.
John O'Loughlin served his suspension in the first match - the game was played and only the result was null and void.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 03, 2016, 10:45:09 AM
It looked like three matches to me.
Well regardless, it's a far cry from losing every match. We're not in a good place but you're 10 times worse.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on July 03, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
Armagh raised the 7th sub issue with CCCC behind the scenes (not out in the open).
I believe CCCC had a number of options including a replay and throwing Laois out.
If Laois were thrown out then Clare would have had bye in qualifier Round 2 - no benefit to Armagh.
At Armagh's behest the CCCC proposed that Laois would offer a replay and Laois Co Board agreed.
John O'Loughlin served his suspension in the first match - the game was played and only the result was null and void.
Sepp Blatter is definitely on the CCCC panel!
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
A spokesman for Jarlath Burns said that the people running GAA are great guys. Officials give up their own time to sit in committee rooms and are the bedrock of the organisation. Great guys. It reminded him of a time when Armagh couldn't field in a league game and now in these times of emigration if John wanted to play the GAA were right to allow him. And any time the officials allow extra players or subs on the pitch we should celebrate just how popular playing our game is. John playing was a victory for common sense and a testimony to the great men running our game
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 03, 2016, 10:53:02 AM
Technically the first game was null and void and did not happen so only two 'real' defeats. Wasn't at the game so can't comment on it apart from what I've gleaned from reading stuff on the Armagh forum. It seems like once the group decided to play football they were the better team and could have won it. Who made the decision to do this? There's a lot of talk about there not being the players etc etc. Pure bullshit. There's players there to perform better than they have. What I've seen is a group of lads who look heavy legged and heavy minded afraid to express themselves. Whether it's under Geezer or other management they need to be let loose, go and play the f**king game. It's players instincts to want to attack and win by attacking, let them do it and see what happens. It can be no worse than the last 2 years!
100% on the money
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 03, 2016, 10:53:02 AM
Technically the first game was null and void and did not happen so only two 'real' defeats. Wasn't at the game so can't comment on it apart from what I've gleaned from reading stuff on the Armagh forum. It seems like once the group decided to play football they were the better team and could have won it. Who made the decision to do this? There's a lot of talk about there not being the players etc etc. Pure bullshit. There's players there to perform better than they have. What I've seen is a group of lads who look heavy legged and heavy minded afraid to express themselves. Whether it's under Geezer or other management they need to be let loose, go and play the f**king game. It's players instincts to want to attack and win by attacking, let them do it and see what happens. It can be no worse than the last 2 years!
Agree 100%.
Well, at least Armagh can look forward to a sensational McKenna Cup. We wont need to be trying out players - McGeeney has had enough time already for that. It will be full steam ahead and win every match.
McKeever and Dyas probably need to retire. Despite being one of our best players, Andy Mallon probably needs to hang the boots up too.
Can't see us getting out of Division 3 next year,those about to retire were among our top players this year,and as for an Ulster Championship challenge,can't see that materialising in the next five years.
Ye could get out by going to Div 4...... ;)
Agree 100%
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Ye could get out by going to Div 4...... ;)
Well, we only need a Div 4 title to complete the set!
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 03, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Serious question, if the game was null and void, how was John O'Loughlin deemed to have served his suspension?
Forget it AZ it's
Chinatown GAA logic.
It really is time for Armagh football to take a long hard look at its self. The elephant in the room has been ignored for too long. There is a disconnect between the best Club Team in the county and the rest. Blaming Kieran McGeeney is the easy option, whatever his faults as a manager there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed by the County Board, Cross and the clubs. The denials that will follow this statement will be as believable as Boris' Brexit plan.
Well Done Laois.....
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 04, 2016, 02:29:20 PM
Well Done Laois.....
Yes well done Laois and the best of luck away to Clare...
Quote from: illdecide on July 04, 2016, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 04, 2016, 02:29:20 PM
Well Done Laois.....
Yes well done Laois and the best of luck away to Clare...
Thanks it will be a tough task with the turn around but the two games should stand to them!
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
Instead of being a gracious victor you decide to spread rumour. There were not too many in Armagh who wanted to replay the game.
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
Aye, just don't forget to thank us on the third Sunday in September ;D
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Ah well if the Dubs say it then it must be true.
Quote from: laoislad on July 04, 2016, 06:24:34 PM
Ah well if the Dubs say it then it must be true.
Yeh, I mean, for it to be true, you'd need evidence! Maybe in the form of a range of bitter posts or something!
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 04, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Bitter. Not like the pleasant Orange.
Laois 4/5 to beat Clare.Thats a tasty price surely?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2016, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 04, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Bitter. Not like the pleasant Orange.
That Orange comment sounds very very Bitter
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 04, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2016, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 04, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Bitter. Not like the pleasant Orange.
That Orange comment sounds very very Bitter
What's better than beating Armagh in the Championship?
Beating them twice!
I'm here all week....
You couldn't beat us when it mattered in 03 and 05.Can still see ould Micko with the programme "row led" up in his hand waiting for us to appear for the second half!😂
Quote from: T Fearon on July 04, 2016, 09:04:48 PM
You couldn't beat us when it mattered in 03 and 05.Can still see ould Micko with the programme "row led" up in his hand waiting for us to appear for the second half!😂
The last two games don't count ll. It only counts when armagh have a good team. Get with the programme ;D
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 04, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
It really is time for Armagh football to take a long hard look at its self. The elephant in the room has been ignored for too long. There is a disconnect between the best Club Team in the county and the rest. Blaming Kieran McGeeney is the easy option, whatever his faults as a manager there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed by the County Board, Cross and the clubs. The denials that will follow this statement will be as believable as Boris' Brexit plan.
A bit of context though. Clarke, K Carragher & Hughes are the only players that said no to the county. Cunningham, McKeown & McKenna said no in the past but 2 of those 3 can't get and stay fit. There is a batch coming through and hopefully they will say yes to the county.
There are elephants in the room in Armagh football.
We have an uncompetitive club game. Some if the solutions to this are unpalatable so we do nothing. The result is most of our players have no track record in winning and no track record in even competing to win. Most compete to get close or compete to be the best of the rest. The impact on the county team is inevitable.
A consequence of this is that the production line of players is not as healthy as it should be. This is comforting to some as it allows expectation to talked down and level of (non)performance justified. Are Longford, Tipperary and Fermanagh telling themselves that they don't have the players?
We have academies, coaches and management teams who don't seem to be performing. The elephant here is performance management. Who measures these people? Against what benchmark? What are the consequences for underperformance or outright failure?
Look at our tackling. Success rates in dispossessions and failure rates in fouling? Is that a "lack of players" or a failure of coaching? (by clubs as well as county and academies).
We have an abject tactical approach in our senior team. It is not only failing in terms of results and performances but it is dire to watch. There is a lot of chat in Armagh about the solutions being years away as we have to go back to the coaching of 8 year olds. No doubt we do but dont underestimate the impact on the performances of the future of a senior team that is crap to watch, of a senior team that is failing and a club scene that it dominated (by volume if not by ultimate success) by negative tactics and dire entertainment. A focus on fitness and position discipline rather than attack, flair and enjoyment.
We have a 5 year plan (ahem). The elephant in the room has eaten it and did so on day 1 of the 5 years for nobody has ever seen it.
At the county convention you won't be able to move for elephants
Mr GAA himself says ye're Co Board is doing everything right :D
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 04, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2016, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 04, 2016, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: south Laois on July 04, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Bitter. Not like the pleasant Orange.
That Orange comment sounds very very Bitter
Once, I had a car that was a lemon. The cylinder head had a great crack.
Quote from: smelmoth on July 04, 2016, 10:54:49 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 04, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
It really is time for Armagh football to take a long hard look at its self. The elephant in the room has been ignored for too long. There is a disconnect between the best Club Team in the county and the rest. Blaming Kieran McGeeney is the easy option, whatever his faults as a manager there is an underlying problem that needs to be addressed by the County Board, Cross and the clubs. The denials that will follow this statement will be as believable as Boris' Brexit plan.
A bit of context though. Clarke, K Carragher & Hughes are the only players that said no to the county. Cunningham, McKeown & McKenna said no in the past but 2 of those 3 can't get and stay fit. There is a batch coming through and hopefully they will say yes to the county.
There are elephants in the room in Armagh football.
We have an uncompetitive club game. Some if the solutions to this are unpalatable so we do nothing. The result is most of our players have no track record in winning and no track record in even competing to win. Most compete to get close or compete to be the best of the rest. The impact on the county team is inevitable.
A consequence of this is that the production line of players is not as healthy as it should be. This is comforting to some as it allows expectation to talked down and level of (non)performance justified. Are Longford, Tipperary and Fermanagh telling themselves that they don't have the players?
We have academies, coaches and management teams who don't seem to be performing. The elephant here is performance management. Who measures these people? Against what benchmark? What are the consequences for underperformance or outright failure?
Look at our tackling. Success rates in dispossessions and failure rates in fouling? Is that a "lack of players" or a failure of coaching? (by clubs as well as county and academies).
We have an abject tactical approach in our senior team. It is not only failing in terms of results and performances but it is dire to watch. There is a lot of chat in Armagh about the solutions being years away as we have to go back to the coaching of 8 year olds. No doubt we do but dont underestimate the impact on the performances of the future of a senior team that is crap to watch, of a senior team that is failing and a club scene that it dominated (by volume if not by ultimate success) by negative tactics and dire entertainment. A focus on fitness and position discipline rather than attack, flair and enjoyment.
We have a 5 year plan (ahem). The elephant in the room has eaten it and did so on day 1 of the 5 years for nobody has ever seen it.
At the county convention you won't be able to move for elephants
I agree with all of this, it is obvious to me from the outside. But the biggest elephant remains the relationship between Cross and the County and I'd guess it will require compromise on both sides.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I agree with all of this, it is obvious to me from the outside. But the biggest elephant remains the relationship between Cross and the County and I'd guess it will require compromise on both sides.
There seems to be a big disconnect between fans/club members and what goes on when delegates get their heads together. The discussions around this started way before Saturday but the consensus seems to be that something need to be done (making the setup a bit more appealing for those with a career/family/life/love of a drink/ride, interest in playing club football, making the club game more competitive, improved coaching in clubs, schools, academies and in county squads including the senior side, robust measurement of coach performances, a county board, a manager and acolytes that talk up the county rather than systematically talk down expectations, improving the performance, tactics and entertainment of the senior team) but are confident that none of this will happen.
Are powerless or just lap dogs?
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Quote from: Applesisapples on July 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I agree with all of this, it is obvious to me from the outside. But the biggest elephant remains the relationship between Cross and the County and I'd guess it will require compromise on both sides.
There seems to be a big disconnect between fans/club members and what goes on when delegates get their heads together. The discussions around this started way before Saturday but the consensus seems to be that something need to be done (making the setup a bit more appealing for those with a career/family/life/love of a drink/ride, interest in playing club football, making the club game more competitive, improved coaching in clubs, schools, academies and in county squads including the senior side, robust measurement of coach performances, a county board, a manager and acolytes that talk up the county rather than systematically talk down expectations, improving the performance, tactics and entertainment of the senior team) but are confident that none of this will happen.
Are powerless or just lap dogs?
If you are relying on club delegates you can forget about anything happening. From my own experience clubs tend to struggle to get anyone to go to CB meetings and it usually falls to a volunteer(s), who generally but not always thick and or have their own little agendas. CB matters at most club meetings usually take about 2 minutes.
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Quote from: smelmoth on July 05, 2016, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I agree with all of this, it is obvious to me from the outside. But the biggest elephant remains the relationship between Cross and the County and I'd guess it will require compromise on both sides.
There seems to be a big disconnect between fans/club members and what goes on when delegates get their heads together. The discussions around this started way before Saturday but the consensus seems to be that something need to be done (making the setup a bit more appealing for those with a career/family/life/love of a drink/ride, interest in playing club football, making the club game more competitive, improved coaching in clubs, schools, academies and in county squads including the senior side, robust measurement of coach performances, a county board, a manager and acolytes that talk up the county rather than systematically talk down expectations, improving the performance, tactics and entertainment of the senior team) but are confident that none of this will happen.
Are powerless or just lap dogs?
If you are relying on club delegates you can forget about anything happening. From my own experience clubs tend to struggle to get anyone to go to CB meetings and it usually falls to a volunteer(s), who generally but not always thick and or have their own little agendas. CB matters at most club meetings usually take about 2 minutes.
So fans just accept that there is nothing they can do and the ruling clique roll on?
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Quote from: Applesisapples on July 06, 2016, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 05, 2016, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
I agree with all of this, it is obvious to me from the outside. But the biggest elephant remains the relationship between Cross and the County and I'd guess it will require compromise on both sides.
There seems to be a big disconnect between fans/club members and what goes on when delegates get their heads together. The discussions around this started way before Saturday but the consensus seems to be that something need to be done (making the setup a bit more appealing for those with a career/family/life/love of a drink/ride, interest in playing club football, making the club game more competitive, improved coaching in clubs, schools, academies and in county squads including the senior side, robust measurement of coach performances, a county board, a manager and acolytes that talk up the county rather than systematically talk down expectations, improving the performance, tactics and entertainment of the senior team) but are confident that none of this will happen.
Are powerless or just lap dogs?
If you are relying on club delegates you can forget about anything happening. From my own experience clubs tend to struggle to get anyone to go to CB meetings and it usually falls to a volunteer(s), who generally but not always thick and or have their own little agendas. CB matters at most club meetings usually take about 2 minutes.
So fans just accept that there is nothing they can do and the ruling clique roll on?
I honestly don't know.
In my experience, if a club has an issue it's discussed at an executive meeting and the delegate is mandated to raise it at the next county board meeting. Standard enough practice.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 10:49:06 AM
In my experience, if a club has an issue it's discussed at an executive meeting and the delegate is mandated to raise it at the next county board meeting. Standard enough practice.
All very reassuring. It assumes there are no cliques and all the problems that goes with them i.e. is the club delegate mandated by the club members or by clique within the club? Do club members just say "whatever" because they are used to nothing changing? Are county boards cliques or surrounded by cliques? Are they operated in a way that makes it possible for a club delegate to instigate change?
Put it this way. If a majority of fans wanted significant change can we just assume that that will work its way up through the system and the change will be delivered?
You do realise that this has been the democratic structure through which the GAA has handled it's business and enabled the ordinary club member to have a voice for generations?
They might change it for you though if you rock up to the next county board meeting...
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 05:02:02 PM
You do realise that this has been the democratic structure through which the GAA has handled it's business and enabled the ordinary club member to have a voice for generations?
They might change it for you though if you rock up to the next county board meeting...
You do realise that my point is not "how does it work" but "is it working?"
Works for everyone else but couldn't be sure how it works for people with no club.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Works for everyone else but couldn't be sure how it works for people with no club.
So it works and its democratic. Excellent. Cannot think that Geezer has the support of any more that 20% of the fans/members/attenders. He must be out on his ear then?
Jeez, wouldn't have a clue. I sure you can take the temperature in your own club.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
Jeez, wouldn't have a clue. I sure you can take the temperature in your own club.
Not sure where you are going with this but you seem to have faith in this well oiled democratic machine. No doubt you will tell m that POR got the job because the fans were crying out forit?
Nope, you asked about the process, I explained it to you. Not sure what else you need.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 06, 2016, 10:22:04 PM
Nope, you asked about the process, I explained it to you. Not sure what else you need.
I knew what the process is and I now know that you have no faith in it. Not many seem to have faith in it
If you say so
I know that other county boards can and do agitate against the county manager. My experience of the ACB, limited though it is, has been a quiet acceptance of the status quo in relation to the county manager, leaving this to the county executive. In my view this is a more sensible and reasonable approach, otherwise you get what Down got over Jim McCorry.
Big rumours coming out of the Orchard that another appeal is on the way.... :o :o
Laois eliminated today by Clare yet they beat us twice😢😢😢
Clare are useful and are a division above both Laois and Armagh next year. No surprise.
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Clare are useful and are a division above both Laois and Armagh next year. No surprise.
+1
No surprise but a daming indictment of Armagh who on this corresponding Sunday a mere two years ago eliminated Tyrone in Omagh
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Thanks to Armagh for sneakily hiding behind the CCCC to get the game replayed. The extra game will really stand to us.
I often hear the Dubs refer to Laois as the Lemons, something I could never understand.
Bitter. Not like the pleasant Orange.
That Orange comment sounds very very Bitter
What's better than beating Armagh in the Championship?
Beating them twice!
I'm here all week....
Quiet enough this week
It's a long long way from Clare to here all week!