With all the millions of euro given to Dubl$n GAA over the past decade and with the extra millions given by aig, this has to be one of the most unbalanced and unfair championship games in the history of the GAA. If the moneybags don't win by 40+ points they should be ashamed of themselves.
It's only a warm up for the Dubs for the real challenge in the semi final v Longford (or Wexford)
Don't Matter any chance you can just talk football for once, everyone is aware of Dublin's competitive advantages but they still have to go out and play? Where's Hesh's Umpire when you need some Laois input?
Did you go to the game on Sunday? Munnelly as always seemed to shine and reports are that Donie Kingston looked sharp and could pose Dublin a few problems up front. Has the Begley incident united or divided the panel?
Heffo, Indiana, Hound, Easytiger, Squire - general feeling only Dublin can beat Dublin? Will complacency be your only enemy? How can Gavin keep such a talented squad happy?
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 20, 2014, 10:12:56 AM
With all the millions of euro given to Dubl$n GAA over the past decade and with the extra millions given by aig, this has to be one of the most unbalanced and unfair championship games in the history of the GAA. If the moneybags don't win by 40+ points they should be ashamed of themselves.
Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 20, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
Don't Matter any chance you can just talk football for once, everyone is aware of Dublin's competitive advantages but they still have to go out and play? Where's Hesh's Umpire when you need some Laois input?
Did you go to the game on Sunday? Munnelly as always seemed to shine and reports are that Donie Kingston looked sharp and could pose Dublin a few problems up front. Has the Begley incident united or divided the panel?
Heffo, Indiana, Hound, Easytiger, Squire - general feeling only Dublin can beat Dublin? Will complacency be your only enemy? How can Gavin keep such a talented squad happy?
I went on Sunday, Munnelly was class but wont get the room against Dubl$n especially as we'll be all out defence. Same with Kingston. Begley was with the team in the dugout, it's a non issue now. We can't keep ignoring the main issue here and sweep it under the carpet. The two teams playing this match will not be competing on an equal footing, it will be the same for every team Dubl$n meets.
It was hard enough for small counties like Laois, Longford etc to compete with Dubl$n anyway but now it's impossible. About a decade ago and before, if small counties had a good team they could challenge and beat Dubl$n on occasions. It's not right that this can't happen anymore.
Anyway, it's just a matter of time before everyone accepts the unfairness and the split occurs. As for this match, if Laois keep it below 10 it would be like a victory.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on May 20, 2014, 10:30:53 AM
Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?
A few lads headed off for work last summer, if Laois GAA could invent jobs for their players like in Dubl$n then they wouldn't have to.
Next we'll have Don't Matter blaming the dubs for his 2 inches.
Game should have been played in Laois. Us dubs were all on to spend our gold down there.
The reason Dublin will hammer Laois is because we have a special group of talented players and Laois in comparison are shite!
Always have Dubs in Croke Park.
50,000 in Croke Park generates more dosh than 20,000 in Portlaoise.
30,000 extra @ (say) €20 = €600k for Leinster.
More money for Leinster means more funding for all Leinster counties when the dust settles at the end of the year.
More funding means counties can spend more on developing players.
Better players means better county teams - with a realistic chance of upsetting Dubs.
May be a wee bit simplistic but in general it's true.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Always have Dubs in Croke Park.
50,000 in Croke Park generates more dosh than 20,000 in Portlaoise.
30,000 extra @ (say) €20 = €600k for Leinster.
More money for Leinster means more funding for all Leinster counties when the dust settles at the end of the year.
More funding means counties can spend more on developing players.
Better players means better county teams - with a realistic chance of upsetting Dubs.
May be a wee bit simplistic but in general it's true.
Absolutely correct. Don't matter should be grateful that Dublin are helping generate revenue to weaker counties like Laois but instead all he does is piss and moan.
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 20, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on May 20, 2014, 10:30:53 AM
Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?
A few lads headed off for work last summer, if Laois GAA could invent jobs for their players like in Dubl$n then they wouldn't have to.
There are currently no Dublin Senior Footballers employed by the Dublin County Board. But guess what, there are 2 Laois Senior Footballers currently employed by the benevolent kindly old uncle that is Dublin GAA. Don't mention it. We're cool like that.
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on May 20, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on May 20, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on May 20, 2014, 10:30:53 AM
Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?
A few lads headed off for work last summer, if Laois GAA could invent jobs for their players like in Dubl$n then they wouldn't have to.
There are currently no Dublin Senior Footballers employed by the Dublin County Board. But guess what, there are 2 Laois Senior Footballers currently employed by the benevolent kindly old uncle that is Dublin GAA. Don't mention it. We're cool like that.
Lest us not forget the parasite Parkinson too, plying his trade in the capital and taking 3 lads jobs too
Id expect a good stern first half from the Laois buckos, Id imagine a 5 point win though, not alot more
QuoteLest us not forget the parasite Parkinson too, plying his trade in the capital and taking 3 lads jobs too
HOLD ON... HOLD ON.... that's a national broadcaster. The lads got reshuffled and now the citizens have to pay for their almighty talents. The 2nd season of their show sums them up, worn out like their tired jokes and couch. At least CP kicked a ball at County, International and Provincial level.
I fancy the dubs to win this one.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Always have Dubs in Croke Park.
50,000 in Croke Park generates more dosh than 20,000 in Portlaoise.
30,000 extra @ (say) €20 = €600k for Leinster.
More money for Leinster means more funding for all Leinster counties when the dust settles at the end of the year.
More funding means counties can spend more on developing players.
Better players means better county teams - with a realistic chance of upsetting Dubs.
May be a wee bit simplistic but in general it's true.
One caveat is that you are relying on the county board to spend the money where it's needed and not on white elephants or "expenses".
Yeah, we have a grand stadium in Tullamore, that all the rest of the country gets to play championship matches in. Meanwhile we're going to Tipperary and Laois to train.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 20, 2014, 05:03:57 PM
Yeah, we have a grand stadium in Tullamore, that all the rest of the country gets to play championship matches in. Meanwhile we're going to Tipperary and Laois to train.
And Westmeath, AIT and Lomans.
Of course Croí - you are correct.
All boils down to having competent people in charge of the purse strings. Longford have made one major error over the past number of years (anyone want to buy a green field site, zoned for a centre of excellence or a frog habitat, take yer pick) but, by and large, we are in a strong position with no long term debt.
Maybe we could buy a bus?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 20, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Always have Dubs in Croke Park.
50,000 in Croke Park generates more dosh than 20,000 in Portlaoise.
30,000 extra @ (say) €20 = €600k for Leinster.
More money for Leinster means more funding for all Leinster counties when the dust settles at the end of the year.
More funding means counties can spend more on developing players.
Better players means better county teams - with a realistic chance of upsetting Dubs.
May be a wee bit simplistic but in general it's true.
Not a hope in hell there will be 50K at this game - 35k max I'd say. Kildare/Louth/Laois will struggle to bring 10K between them. Will have to watch the Kildare v Louth game in an empty stadium, how exciting!!!
Sick of these double headers and the extra cost associated with them. Kids can't even get in for free.
Just with regard to the game itself, I can't help thinking what way the media would have played this if we hadn't drawn with Mayo in the league. Perhaps it would have all been about a Dublin team repeating the same mistakes from 2012, mediocre league form, struggling with an All Ireland hangover and facing a team that lost out by three points after a brutally unlucky goal in our last Championship meeting. It would be a different story then.
But now, because O'Gara saved our bacon, we're on the verge of establishing a thousand year Reich and all should cower before us??!! I'll say this for Woolly, after the game on Sunday he was saying that if any Laois player are frightened of going to Croker they shouldn't be on the panel. He said that playing Dublin always inspired him and the lads of his era and they had no fear of them in Croker.
We should win it, yes, and I don;t think Laois are as defensively disciplined as they were in 2012 - but the best time to beat us is now. I hope it is a close game, as we had brilliant clashes in 2003/05/06. If Laois have any sense they'll make it as slow and as sticky as they can, invite us on and then try and hit their forwards as quickly as they can.
Dubs by six.
This game could have had abit of appeal if it had been in portlaoise, Dubs always abit wavy on the road, as it is, Dublin will take the game for granted and probably win but not as handy as most think, all depends on whether the dubs will be on cruise control or pedal to the metall!!
Jeez whatever about dublin$ - laoi$ are worse!!
All the Laois lads heading up to play for pay for Dublin clubs since the mid 90's
Laois county men have a tendency to head to USA for a few bob rather than stay at home with their clubs ( common problem everywhere to be fair)
Plus it was a Laois man who first started whinging about and looking for GAA players to be paid in 1993
Laois IMO have great talent and if they got their act together could beat the dubs, but it's highly unlikely. Would be great for the game if they did
Some of my best memories from childhood are from watching Leinster championship games in Portlaoise, Navan or Tullamore. Imagine Laois were playing Dublin in Portlaoise and Louth and Kildare were playing in Drogheda, there would be two cracking atmospheres.
Instead we're left watching games in a two-thirds empty stadium which kills any sense of occasion and looks bad on TV.
You can say it's up to other Leinster counties to vote for these games to take place outside Croke Park and you'd be right. Dublin are not at fault in this case.
But I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 21, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
But I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
What are you suggesting and who in Kildare will this cheque be made out to?
QuoteBut I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
OK - it's nothing to do with Croke Park. It's the Leinster Council, which is based in Portlaoise.
Leinster Council rent Croke Park for Leinster championship matches.
Where would any funds for distribution come from for the other 11 Leinster counties if Croke Park is left idle for the majority of the Leinster championship and the Dubs are sent off on tour of Portlaoise, Navan or a neutral ground for QF and semi final purposes?
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 20, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
Just with regard to the game itself, I can't help thinking what way the media would have played this if we hadn't drawn with Mayo in the league. Perhaps it would have all been about a Dublin team repeating the same mistakes from 2012, mediocre league form, struggling with an All Ireland hangover and facing a team that lost out by three points after a brutally unlucky goal in our last Championship meeting. It would be a different story then.
But now, because O'Gara saved our bacon, we're on the verge of establishing a thousand year Reich and all should cower before us??!! I'll say this for Woolly, after the game on Sunday he was saying that if any Laois player are frightened of going to Croker they shouldn't be on the panel. He said that playing Dublin always inspired him and the lads of his era and they had no fear of them in Croker.
We should win it, yes, and I don;t think Laois are as defensively disciplined as they were in 2012 - but the best time to beat us is now. I hope it is a close game, as we had brilliant clashes in 2003/05/06. If Laois have any sense they'll make it as slow and as sticky as they can, invite us on and then try and hit their forwards as quickly as they can.
Dubs by six.
It was the same last year with Donegal and Kilkenny.
Lazy journalism.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 21, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
Some of my best memories from childhood are from watching Leinster championship games in Portlaoise, Navan or Tullamore. Imagine Laois were playing Dublin in Portlaoise and Louth and Kildare were playing in Drogheda, there would be two cracking atmospheres.
Instead we're left watching games in a two-thirds empty stadium which kills any sense of occasion and looks bad on TV.
You can say it's up to other Leinster counties to vote for these games to take place outside Croke Park and you'd be right. Dublin are not at fault in this case.
But I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
Pairc Tailteann on a summers evening is paradise.
Grass banks & a cornetto.
Sure where else would you get it?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 20, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
Heffo, Indiana, Hound, Easytiger, Squire - general feeling only Dublin can beat Dublin? Will complacency be your only enemy? How can Gavin keep such a talented squad happy?
I don't worry about complacency per se, but I don't think its possible to play well every game, especially over a long period of time. We could very easily be caught out on any given day. I certainly don't buy the "only Dublin can beat Dublin" argument. If someone beats us, they'll need to play well to do it and they will deserve all the praise.
We are blessed that we have a special group of players hitting their peak at around the same time. Connolly and Flynn are the best two half forwards in the country. And whoever number 3 is, is probably a fair distance behind the two of them. And while he might have one or two equals, there is nobody better than Bernard Brogan in the full forward line - can win his fair share of 50/50s against any back and can kick scores from anywhere.
We also the biggest X factor of any team on top of that. I don't think there's a midfielder in the country similar to Macauley. I was worried about his poor form in the league but from HT in the Cork semi he's brought himself back to his very best. Then O'Gara and McManamon, whether they start of are subs, are two options we have completely different to anything else we have (or maybe anyone else has).
Great keeper of course, and pretty solid everywhere else. No glaring weakness individually but as a team we do give up plenty of goal chances. But one of the biggest assets we have as a unit is workrate. I don't think there's a team that matches us in terms of yards covered in a game. And that's not because we train more than anyone else, its because they've got it ingrained into them. Nothing less is acceptable.
I don't think we are as good yet as Kilkenny were in hurling in their pomp a few years ago. When they didnt give a shíte that they were raging hot favourites in every game. There'll be times when it looks like we're in trouble entering into the final quarter and we'll have to see if we can keep digging out the wins or not.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 21, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
QuoteBut I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
OK - it's nothing to do with Croke Park. It's the Leinster Council, which is based in Portlaoise.
Leinster Council rent Croke Park for Leinster championship matches.
Where would any funds for distribution come from for the other 11 Leinster counties if Croke Park is left idle for the majority of the Leinster championship and the Dubs are sent off on tour of Portlaoise, Navan or a neutral ground for QF and semi final purposes?
Is 35K in Croke Park any better than 20K in Portlaoise and 10K in Navan financially? Any figures available? I'm sure the costs to run CP would be considerably higher than the other 2 grounds combined.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2014, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 21, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
QuoteBut I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
OK - it's nothing to do with Croke Park. It's the Leinster Council, which is based in Portlaoise.
Leinster Council rent Croke Park for Leinster championship matches.
Where would any funds for distribution come from for the other 11 Leinster counties if Croke Park is left idle for the majority of the Leinster championship and the Dubs are sent off on tour of Portlaoise, Navan or a neutral ground for QF and semi final purposes?
Is 35K in Croke Park any better than 20K in Portlaoise and 10K in Navan financially? Any figures available? I'm sure the costs to run CP would be considerably higher than the other 2 grounds combined.
premium seat holders being kept happy
Quote from: Johnnybegood on May 21, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2014, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 21, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
QuoteBut I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
OK - it's nothing to do with Croke Park. It's the Leinster Council, which is based in Portlaoise.
Leinster Council rent Croke Park for Leinster championship matches.
Where would any funds for distribution come from for the other 11 Leinster counties if Croke Park is left idle for the majority of the Leinster championship and the Dubs are sent off on tour of Portlaoise, Navan or a neutral ground for QF and semi final purposes?
Is 35K in Croke Park any better than 20K in Portlaoise and 10K in Navan financially? Any figures available? I'm sure the costs to run CP would be considerably higher than the other 2 grounds combined.
premium seat holders being kept happy
Do CP pay a premium to the Leinster Council based on these seats?
Ah, look there is no alternative. Dublin have to play at home. Money and fans will be lost otherwise. Anyways there is no real advantage for Dublin in this fixture playing in Croker is there? When is the last time Laois played in Croke Park? May 26th 2013? Dublin have only played 3 Leinster Championship, 3 All Ireland Series games, 4 League games, A League semi final and League Final in the meantime. Ah but sure it's a level playing field! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Ah, look there is no alternative. Dublin have to play at home. Money and fans will be lost otherwise. Anyways there is no real advantage for Dublin in this fixture playing in Croker is there? When is the last time Laois played in Croke Park? May 26th 2013? Dublin have only played 3 Leinster Championship, 3 All Ireland Series games, 4 League games, A League semi final and League Final in the meantime. Ah but sure it's a level playing field! ;D
Croke Park is very level looking right enough :D
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Ah, look there is no alternative. Dublin have to play at home. Money and fans will be lost otherwise. Anyways there is no real advantage for Dublin in this fixture playing in Croker is there? When is the last time Laois played in Croke Park? May 26th 2013? Dublin have only played 3 Leinster Championship, 3 All Ireland Series games, 4 League games, A League semi final and League Final in the meantime. Ah but sure it's a level playing field! ;D
your right there is no real advantage, Dublin would beat Laois on any pitch anywhere anytime.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on May 21, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Ah, look there is no alternative. Dublin have to play at home. Money and fans will be lost otherwise. Anyways there is no real advantage for Dublin in this fixture playing in Croker is there? When is the last time Laois played in Croke Park? May 26th 2013? Dublin have only played 3 Leinster Championship, 3 All Ireland Series games, 4 League games, A League semi final and League Final in the meantime. Ah but sure it's a level playing field! ;D
your right there is no real advantage, Dublin would beat Laois on any pitch anywhere anytime.
There is no doubting that! No doubt at all. But playing the game at home makes it an easier task and a is good way to continue the now familiar routines that are so important come the business end of the championship. This is not Dublins fault. It's the fault of the GAA. Naturally the Dubs don't care, after years of suffering they are on the crest of a Tsunami wave. The GAA need to fill Croker, keep the corporates happy and beat off Rugby and Soccer in the Capital. So we are left with Dublin a Celtic like giant in the Gaa game surrounded by Dundee Utds, Aberdeens etc looking in with their humble budgets. And they get to play all their games at home. You could not script a scenario of bias. But hey, don't say this too loud. The Gaa is a AMATEUR organisation. Money does not influence the game.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 21, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
QuoteBut I'd rather see Croke Park distribute money in such a way that the other 11 Leinster counties aren't reliant on gate receipts from Dublin games in CP. As it stands the other counties don't really have a choice.
OK - it's nothing to do with Croke Park. It's the Leinster Council, which is based in Portlaoise.
Leinster Council rent Croke Park for Leinster championship matches.
Where would any funds for distribution come from for the other 11 Leinster counties if Croke Park is left idle for the majority of the Leinster championship and the Dubs are sent off on tour of Portlaoise, Navan or a neutral ground for QF and semi final purposes?
I understand that SS and that's the problem and exactly the point I'm making. Other Leinster counties are hardly going to vote for Dublin to play outside Croker when it would kill us financially.
Isn't this just amazing. A thread has been opened up on the upcoming Dublin/Laois championship game and from the start it has degenerated into the tiring old anti-Dublin rant which has burned up so many threads on this forum. Have you guys nothing to say on the game itself?
It's largely the same itinerant posters who alight on any thread concerning Dublin and repeat ad nauseam the same old drivel. Cop yourselves on lads, you're ruining the forum.
On the game itself, with no disrespect to Laois I think Dublin will win for no reason other than I believe they have the better team. And they have the better team because of the excellent work put in by the Dublin county board over the past ten years in identifying potential stars at a young age and developing their talents through the underage grades into minor, U21 and senior. Bottom line – it's all down to hard work.
I agree with you THIB. This Dublin team are one of the most exciting, adventurous, brilliant teams we have ever seen in the GAA. They have a huge support base and in an organisation that is structured so that we all benefit from the money generated by big crowds it makes sense to accommodate Dublin.
Yes, there are legitimate concerns about Dublin's financial power and the advantage of playing in Croke Park but they've been aired here ad nauseam. I certainly hope any discussion on Dublin games this year won't simply be a rehash of non-game related points.
I don't think stating that Dublin have an unfair advantage by not having to play outside their own county is anti-Dublin. I am quite pro Dublin. I think they play good football and are worth paying to watch. They deserved fully both titles they won and it required serious commitment effort teamwork and individual skill.
But it is a simple fact that Dublin have only played 3 championship matches outside the City in fifteen years. That is an unfair advantage compared to other teams. Yeah Dublin would most likely beat Laois on any pitch but would they face more a less comfortable experience in Navan or Newbridge? What about the All-Ireland series, it is always in Croke Park. Would Dublin produce consistent results in Killarney? Celtic park? Páirc Uí Chaoimh?
I am not anti-Dublin but equally I am not about to deny a simple fact that Dublin do have a huge advantage in the location of their matches
Nor is anybody else but that point has been made now repeatedly and I would hope every discussion on their games is not going to be about that fact. Besides, if the counties they have to play in Leinster wanted them out of CP then that would happen but they want the money more. It's a bit rich for Leinster counties to complain about something they are making happen. If they think they can beat the Dubs outside CP they can play them outside CP if they want.
There was a double header last year in the first of Leinster, Kildare and Offaly followed by Dublin and Westmeath, justoover 80,000 at the 2 games. That must have some pay for all the Leinster counties
80,000 at a Leinster first round match? No way José. I just looked at it. Attendance was: 33,008. What made you think it was 80,000?
Yeah way... typo ...just over 30,000
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
QuoteBut it is a simple fact that Dublin have only played 3 championship matches outside the City in fifteen years.
I don't think that's right.
Longford in Leinster in 2006
Leitrim in Carrick - 2004 Qualifiers
Longford in Port Laoise - 2004 Qualifiers
AIQF v Kerry in Thurles.
So the answer may be four!
Apols for being pernickety Pete.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on May 21, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 21, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Ah, look there is no alternative. Dublin have to play at home. Money and fans will be lost otherwise. Anyways there is no real advantage for Dublin in this fixture playing in Croker is there? When is the last time Laois played in Croke Park? May 26th 2013? Dublin have only played 3 Leinster Championship, 3 All Ireland Series games, 4 League games, A League semi final and League Final in the meantime. Ah but sure it's a level playing field! ;D
your right there is no real advantage, Dublin would beat Laois on any pitch anywhere anytime.
There is no doubting that! No doubt at all. But playing the game at home makes it an easier task and a is good way to continue the now familiar routines that are so important come the business end of the championship. This is not Dublins fault. It's the fault of the GAA. Naturally the Dubs don't care, after years of suffering they are on the crest of a Tsunami wave. The GAA need to fill Croker, keep the corporates happy and beat off Rugby and Soccer in the Capital. So we are left with Dublin a Celtic like giant in the Gaa game surrounded by Dundee Utds, Aberdeens etc looking in with their humble budgets. And they get to play all their games at home. You could not script a scenario of bias. But hey, don't say this too loud. The Gaa is a AMATEUR organisation. Money does not influence the game.
any team that plays Dublin also has the same familiar routines as In get on the bus/train/plain and head to croker. The routine argument is a load of me you know whats stemming from TV stations filling time (especially in soccer ) when a big game is delayed. How will it affect the players Bla Bla Bla ! Croker is the best pitch in the country built for the top players in the country. If your good enough you'll excell, at the moment there ain't a team good enough to beat the dubs! Next best thing- lets all cry and have whinge! I thought youz Culchies were supposed to be sporting and gracious. Maybe so when your winning but going by a lot of the threads in this site Yiz can't take it when your beaten, especially when your beaten by the mighty dubs.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
What Yiz are all forgetting to mention that every Leinster semi final has been played in croker as a double header for the past good few years. So teams like Meath and Kildare are also playing their games there. Is it an advantage for them? I think johnny Doyle has played near 50 champo games in croker.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
I agree but these counties are voting to play in CP rather than have it in Tullamore or wherever.
QuoteWhat Yiz are all forgetting to mention that every Leinster semi final has been played in croker as a double header for the past good few years.
I think the Dubs can be a bit to quick to claim criticism of them is anti-Dub, it's more a case of people having a go at the top team. Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry weren't widely loved by the nation either. I wouldn't be too sensitive about people questioning the Dubs, if it was Meath in your position then the frequency of Meath's involvement in CP games would also be a topic of discussion.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
I agree but these counties are voting to play in CP rather than have it in Tullamore or wherever.
I agree, and I think it's lose lose. I'm not convinced that the net total of attendees would be significantly less in Portlaoise, and I'm sure the cost of renting Croker from Central Council could offset any shortfall.
I also think from an atmosphere and general 'event' point of view, that crowd in a provincial venue would be more colourful, vibrant and exciting.
We've had this debate on at least three or four threads already. Will every thread supposedly devoted to Dublin's games this summer degenerate into this?
Dublin have won 52 Leinster titles and most of their games in those championships were played outside Croke Park. The Dublin team of the 70s won six titles in a row, again mainly playing outside Croke Park. The cold fact is that consistently and in every generation Dublin has been one of the top teams in Leinster and I've no doubt that they will continue to be no matter where they play their games.
The Dublin U21s didn't seem to suffer any ill effects of having to play in Tullamore a few weeks back.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
As would seemingly every stakeholder involved except the management committee's of the Leinster counties.
I'm dreading Croke Park on the 8th - I've a pain in my hole with Croke Park and would love to be travelling to Portlaoise
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Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
As would seemingly every stakeholder involved except the management committee's of the Leinster counties.
I'm dreading Croke Park on the 8th - I've a pain in my hole with Croke Park and would love to be travelling to Portlaoise
I'd love to see the math heffo. These people are not idiots, I'm sure there's some revenue models or something that show projections that it's more profitable to have the games in Croker. I see no other reason why Offaly's delegate would vote for giving Dublin home advantage for e.g.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 22, 2014, 01:40:18 AM
. Other Leinster counties are hardly going to vote for Dublin to play outside Croker when it would kill us financially.
That's hardly true of the Quarter finals in Leinster is it?
Is it all just about money or does fairness and competitiveness and spreading business around come into it?.
I know if I had a shop/pub in Wexford/Tullamore/P'laoise/Carlow etc I would like to see at least Leinster Qtr finals involving Dublin being home/away and I wouldn't look too kindly on any GAAite looking for money off me till such a system came in.
Sure if Provincial Championships are only all about generating revenue it's time the Munster Council made the annual Cork/Kerry Final a two legged affair. :D
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 22, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
Why should every Dublin game be there, if there was crowds like that. Not like the Leinster council are milking it from those attendances
If they're not then why are the Leinster counties voting for it?
Good question Zulu, but I think there's no doubt that 30k in Croke Park (for a double header which probably meant the first game had 10-15k max) is a dire spectacle. From an atmosphere point of view alone, I'd prefer to see a crowd of 12k in Tullamore for Offaly Kildare, and 25k in Portlaoise for Westmeath Dublin.
I agree but these counties are voting to play in CP rather than have it in Tullamore or wherever.
QuoteWhat Yiz are all forgetting to mention that every Leinster semi final has been played in croker as a double header for the past good few years.
I think the Dubs can be a bit to quick to claim criticism of them is anti-Dub, it's more a case of people having a go at the top team. Tyrone, Armagh or Kerry weren't widely loved by the nation either. I wouldn't be too sensitive about people questioning the Dubs, if it was Meath in your position then the frequency of Meath's involvement in CP games would also be a topic of discussion.
good point Zulu, we truly are a nation of begrudgery but when it comes to the dubs it is definitely cranked up a few notches. Spillane in his Sunday world column mentioned dublins home advantage yet forgot to mention Cork and kerry being seeded in Munster to enable them enter the final round of qualifiers.
As I've said before if your good enough! Any pitch, anytime, anywhere !
Ara this 'everyone is agin us' is hard to listen to as well in fairness. Dublin's importance to the GAA has been well documented and financially reinforced. Nearly everyone on this board, and elsewhere , has acknowledged Dubin as a great team at the moment, and with brilliant underage structures. If that's begrudgery, then I think you have a loose definition of begrudgery. Don't take one lad's constant roaring as reflective of the entire country.
I'm just asking for a few games outside Croker to spice up the early rounds a bit. But if the Leinster Council, made up of all the counties, vote for Christmas, what can I do about it? :D
I'd be inclined to put more pressure on the Offalys of the world to up our own game, get fair funding from the GAA and spend it well.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
Ara this 'everyone is agin us' is hard to listen to as well in fairness. Dublin's importance to the GAA has been well documented and financially reinforced. Nearly everyone on this board, and elsewhere , has acknowledged Dubin as a great team at the moment, and with brilliant underage structures. If that's begrudgery, then I think you have a loose definition of begrudgery. Don't take one lad's constant roaring as reflective of the entire country.
I'm just asking for a few games outside Croker to spice up the early rounds a bit. But if the Leinster Council, made up of all the counties, vote for Christmas, what can I do about it? :D
I'd be inclined to put more pressure on the Offalys of the world to up our own game, get fair funding from the GAA and spend it well.
This has been discussed at lengths on several threads. I don't think any Dub would actually care where these opening games are played.
It seems ludricuous though to bring it up as an advantage in a game V Laois! Dubln are overwhelming favourites and no venue would change that. Would be more interesting on a match thread if we could discuss how Laois approach such a game or indeed Dublin. Unfortunately the OP of the thread is becoming a one joke Dub obsessive.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
Ara this 'everyone is agin us' is hard to listen to as well in fairness. Dublin's importance to the GAA has been well documented and financially reinforced. Nearly everyone on this board, and elsewhere , has acknowledged Dubin as a great team at the moment, and with brilliant underage structures. If that's begrudgery, then I think you have a loose definition of begrudgery. Don't take one lad's constant roaring as reflective of the entire country.
I'm just asking for a few games outside Croker to spice up the early rounds a bit. But if the Leinster Council, made up of all the counties, vote for Christmas, what can I do about it? :D
I'd be inclined to put more pressure on the Offalys of the world to up our own game, get fair funding from the GAA and spend it well.
another very good post! I too would like the early rounds to be outside croker, loved the road trips back in the day! Only thing is moving Dublin out of croker for the early rounds won't make a tad bit of difference to the supposed advantage.
If Laois won this game it'd be great craic.
Dublin also played derry away in a qualifier in 2003. Just to add to the roll call of away matches in the last 15 years. I also remember Dublin playing away on leinster during the all.Ireland year in 95- remember Jayo's goal without his boot?
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 23, 2014, 12:51:51 AM
Dublin also played derry away in a qualifier in 2003. Just to add to the roll call of away matches in the last 15 years. I also remember Dublin playing away on leinster during the all.Ireland year in 95- remember Jayo's goal without his boot?
Ah the nostalgia of the Dublin actually playing away...
Well be the holy smoke ? Is there any point in Laois turning up at all? The current poster boys, albeit in possession of Sam because Mayo got the yips when it was handed to them on a plate, have not alone this game won but this years All-Ireland the way ye are chattering on here. Wait 'till ye see the start to this game and the Dubs defense like an oul wan at a Lidle check out trying to keep up with the checkout operator because once the first two go over and Dub's can't catch up panic will set in.
For the last ten years I've been listening to "Laois are too light" (or too fond of the beer) and if we put out an Under 7 team in the Feile some poor child would be used to take a swipe at Colm Parkinson or Billy Sheehan. Well it's foooking pay back time and even if we put out our second team (Parnell's) you can be guaranteed a better fight than some of the has been counties that stretches meaning of delusion beyond all bounds, particularly Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, well any Ulster team really.
The other thing is this bullshit about us being a small county with high emigration. For fooks sake, we are not in the middle of a famine or going around in our bare feet so spare the sympathy, we have as good a team as most and better than a lot and what's more we are unlikely to end up playing with thirteen players because our goalkeeper goes out and gives somone a fung up the hole for no reason at all or one of our forwards loses the plot over the slightest dig.
Paddy Power should give us the same odds in football as has been given to our hurlers to win the Leinster, 100/1 and maybe Peter McKenna should have arrangements made for Croke Park staff to have little food parcels as handouts when our poor destitute supporters arrive on Sunday.
Quote from: easytiger95 on May 23, 2014, 12:51:51 AM
Dublin also played derry away in a qualifier in 2003. Just to add to the roll call of away matches in the last 15 years. I also remember Dublin playing away on leinster during the all.Ireland year in 95- remember Jayo's goal without his boot?
a match that should have been in Celtic Pk was moved to Clones to lessen the pain of the Dubs and take Derry away from home
Nothing has changed, nordies still rule and a thread about next Sunday's game between Laois and Dublin is turned into a debate about Dublin and fooking Derry about half a century ago. Can someone tell me why Dublin are odds on to win by about 40 points or why I am hearing "if we get out with less than a 12 point loss it will be a good result??
Welcome back Bud - good to see a bit of proper Laois cut back on the board - you'd be more of a Hairy Hughie Emerson man than a Wooly wannabe. As regards us being favourites, perhaps its because that, apart from 2003, we were well able for you back in the mid noughties when we weren't winning All Irelands. That said, we only really blew you out in one of them, and it took Mossie's free taking to get us through the last Leinster final we contested.
Last time we played you in the League as well we destroyed you - O'Gara was unplayable that night in Portlaoise as i remember.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on May 23, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
Well be the holy smoke ? Is there any point in Laois turning up at all? The current poster boys, albeit in possession of Sam because Mayo got the yips when it was handed to them on a plate, have not alone this game won but this years All-Ireland the way ye are chattering on here. Wait 'till ye see the start to this game and the Dubs defense like an oul wan at a Lidle check out trying to keep up with the checkout operator because once the first two go over and Dub's can't catch up panic will set in.
For the last ten years I've been listening to "Laois are too light" (or too fond of the beer) and if we put out an Under 7 team in the Feile some poor child would be used to take a swipe at Colm Parkinson or Billy Sheehan. Well it's foooking pay back time and even if we put out our second team (Parnell's) you can be guaranteed a better fight than some of the has been counties that stretches meaning of delusion beyond all bounds, particularly Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, well any Ulster team really.
The other thing is this bullshit about us being a small county with high emigration. For fooks sake, we are not in the middle of a famine or going around in our bare feet so spare the sympathy, we have as good a team as most and better than a lot and what's more we are unlikely to end up playing with thirteen players because our goalkeeper goes out and gives somone a fung up the hole for no reason at all or one of our forwards loses the plot over the slightest dig.
Paddy Power should give us the same odds in football as has been given to our hurlers to win the Leinster, 100/1 and maybe Peter McKenna should have arrangements made for Croke Park staff to have little food parcels as handouts when our poor destitute supporters arrive on Sunday.
Hopeful posting from a Laois point :) . Can't really see panic setting in if Dublin trail at any stage. In recent years, have been behind against Donegal, Kerry (twice), Meath, Kildare and Mayo and won.
Unless Laois have their best game in years and Dublin their worse with sending off or two, expect a comfortable if unspectacular opening win for Dublin.
Good man Bud - you'll never doff the cap anyway.
Always had a soft spot for Laois. Some ding dong battles with them in the 00s . Reckon one of the Leinster Finals played which I think we won by a point or two was one of the most enjoyable games I was ever at.
Watched an U21 final in Thurles some years ago when Laois imo threw away an AI v Cork. Remember it because I actually was genuinely peeved that they lost.
Having said that in long list of counties that don't like us they probably are at the head of the queue.
QuoteWatched an U21 final in Thurles some years ago when Laois imo threw away an AI v Cork. Remember it because I actually was genuinely peeved that they lost.
Was at that game and like you, I was very disappointed Laois lost. They really threw that game away and it seems Cork got more players from those squads too.
Quote from: Canalman on May 23, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Always had a soft spot for Laois. Some ding dong battles with them in the 00s . Reckon one of the Leinster Finals played which I think we won by a point or two was one of the most enjoyable games I was ever at.
Watched an U21 final in Thurles some years ago when Laois imo threw away an AI v Cork. Remember it because I actually was genuinely peeved that they lost.
Having said that in long list of counties that don't like us they probably are at the head of the queue.
I wouldn't necessarily agree - personally I support the Dubs when they get out of Leinster but we have our share of clowns amongst our supporters.
I'm hoping that Laois will get a decent following on the day and the lads empty the tank.
Quote from: Canalman on May 23, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Always had a soft spot for Laois. Some ding dong battles with them in the 00s . Reckon one of the Leinster Finals played which I think we won by a point or two was one of the most enjoyable games I was ever at.
Watched an U21 final in Thurles some years ago when Laois imo threw away an AI v Cork. Remember it because I actually was genuinely peeved that they lost.
Having said that in long list of counties that don't like us they probably are at the head of the queue.
Ye lost an All-Ireland Final to Cork as well because ye left Conal Keaney on the bench and watched the game disappear
before your eyes when he should have been brought on. But all that was then and this is now. I think once the auto-feeders are checked and working in the cattle sheds and we have a full head count on the bus our lads will come up and give this a lash. Look at it this way, ye are probably playing the third best county in the country on Sunday, while at the same time if we did win we would not be going out saying we will win the next five All-Ireland's in a row. Also, Laois and Dub's are able to stir a nice bit of slagging between each other and I like that, except when ye start pointing at the scoreboard.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on May 23, 2014, 05:59:59 PM
Quote from: Canalman on May 23, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Always had a soft spot for Laois. Some ding dong battles with them in the 00s . Reckon one of the Leinster Finals played which I think we won by a point or two was one of the most enjoyable games I was ever at.
Watched an U21 final in Thurles some years ago when Laois imo threw away an AI v Cork. Remember it because I actually was genuinely peeved that they lost.
Having said that in long list of counties that don't like us they probably are at the head of the queue.
Ye lost an All-Ireland Final to Cork as well because ye left Conal Keaney on the bench and watched the game disappear
before your eyes when he should have been brought on. But all that was then and this is now. I think once the auto-feeders are checked and working in the cattle sheds and we have a full head count on the bus our lads will come up and give this a lash. Look at it this way, ye are probably playing the third best county in the country on Sunday, while at the same time if we did win we would not be going out saying we will win the next five All-Ireland's in a row. Also, Laois and Dub's are able to stir a nice bit of slagging between each other and I like that, except when ye start pointing at the scoreboard.
Or throwing full bottles of water from the Hill at our minors......
if can keep down to 6 points will be happy, think O'Flaharta will employ tactics he used with Westmeath. could mean parking 2 buses on front of goal ;)
Well chappers, mutiny in the Dublin camp, can the laois footballers do what their hurlers did the weekend and show some real courage and conviction in nearly taking the galway horde down ????
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 03, 2014, 11:13:57 AM
Well chappers, mutiny in the Dublin camp, can the laois footballers do what their hurlers did the weekend and show some real courage and conviction in nearly taking the galway horde down ????
No.
Dublin are 1-40 with PP to win this game on Sunday. Incredible that a team can be 1-40 in a championship match.
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
Dublin are 1-40 with PP to win this game on Sunday. Incredible that a team can be 1-40 in a championship match.
Is 1-40 the scoreline or the actual odds? :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 03, 2014, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
Dublin are 1-40 with PP to win this game on Sunday. Incredible that a team can be 1-40 in a championship match.
Is 1-40 the scoreline or the actual odds? :P
Dublin will fancy more than one major.
Whats the odds on a Laois man being sent off?? (Begley)
LAOIS (SF v Dublin): Graham Brody; Padraig McMahon, Paul Begley, Peter O'Leary; Darren Strong, Stephen Attride, Colm Begley; Kevin Meaney, John O'Loughlin; James Finn, Donal Kingston, Billy Sheehan; Ross Munnelly, Conor Meredith, David Conway
Not a bad team
"Dont Matter" will you attend ??? Id imagine your working and siring in the capital and have that chip on yer shoulder since you left your county.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 06, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
LAOIS (SF v Dublin): Graham Brody; Padraig McMahon, Paul Begley, Peter O'Leary; Darren Strong, Stephen Attride, Colm Begley; Kevin Meaney, John O'Loughlin; James Finn, Donal Kingston, Billy Sheehan; Ross Munnelly, Conor Meredith, David Conway
Not a bad team
"Dont Matter" will you attend ??? Id imagine your working and siring in the capital and have that chip on yer shoulder since you left your county.
I'd hate to be the jackeen children of Dont Matter.
Quote from: Syferus on June 06, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 06, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
LAOIS (SF v Dublin): Graham Brody; Padraig McMahon, Paul Begley, Peter O'Leary; Darren Strong, Stephen Attride, Colm Begley; Kevin Meaney, John O'Loughlin; James Finn, Donal Kingston, Billy Sheehan; Ross Munnelly, Conor Meredith, David Conway
Not a bad team
"Dont Matter" will you attend ??? Id imagine your working and siring in the capital and have that chip on yer shoulder since you left your county.
I'd hate to be the jackeen children of Dont Matter.
Is he not one of your alter egos?
@RTEgaa: Dublin XV: Cluxton McMahon O'Carroll Cooper McCarthy, Devereaux Daly Macauley O'Sullivan Flynn Andrews Connoly A Brogan O'Gara, B Brogan
From Hill16.ie
Dubs name 11 of starting All-Ireland winning team to face Laois
Dublin's starting team for Sunday's Leinster SFC quarter-final against Laois in Croke Park (4.0) contains 11 players who started last September's All-Ireland final victory.
At centre-back Nicky Devereux, following an impressive conclusion to the league, will line out at centre-back.
The Ballinteer St John's man replaces Ger Brennan, from the All-Ireland selection, as the St Vincent's man makes his way back to full fitness.
Darren Daly, who replaced Jack McCaffrey at half-time in the All-Ireland decider, will start at left half-back.
Up front Alan Brogan, who missed all last season through injury, has been selected at right full-forward with Eoghan O'Gara, who was also a sub used against Mayo last September.
DUBLIN (SFC v Laois)
1 Stephen Cluxton (Parnell's)
2 Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)
3 Rory O'Carroll (Kilmacud Crokes)
4 Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
5 James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
6 Nicky Devereux (Ballinteer St John's)
7 Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)
8 Michael Darragh Macauley (Ballyboden St Enda's)
9 Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)
10 Paul Flynn (Fingallians)
11 Paddy Andrews (St Brigid's)
12 Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent's)
13 Alan Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
14 Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge St)
15 Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/Eoghan Ruadh)
That can't be right, sure one of them two bucks are off the panel remember?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
That can't be right, sure one of them two bucks are off the panel remember?
Don't believe everything you read in the papers AZ ;)
Quote from: heffo on June 06, 2014, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 06, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 06, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
LAOIS (SF v Dublin): Graham Brody; Padraig McMahon, Paul Begley, Peter O'Leary; Darren Strong, Stephen Attride, Colm Begley; Kevin Meaney, John O'Loughlin; James Finn, Donal Kingston, Billy Sheehan; Ross Munnelly, Conor Meredith, David Conway
Not a bad team
"Dont Matter" will you attend ??? Id imagine your working and siring in the capital and have that chip on yer shoulder since you left your county.
I'd hate to be the jackeen children of Dont Matter.
Is he not one of your alter egos?
Yes but don't tell anyone.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
That can't be right, sure one of them two bucks are off the panel remember?
I think his source was 100% too
A wee bucko at a game today told me Kevin the Kerry murderer will start. He's an honest wee bucko too, and has a good insight. We shall see, not that it matters too much i imagine
I urge all Laois fans going to keep safe. Don't carry much cash with you, keep your belongings close and lock your car doors. Luckily they keep the worst of the locals segregated in their own area inside Croke Park so that should be fine but we may be surrounded by lilies so be wary. It's likely to be a big defeat but remember we're an amateur team competing against professionals. Then afterwards try to make a quick escape and don't look at any of the locals in the eye, they consider that starting on them or they might be looking for a euro. Hon Laois!
Quote from: orangeman on June 03, 2014, 07:51:15 PM
Dublin are 1-40 with PP to win this game on Sunday. Incredible that a team can be 1-40 in a championship match.
..........that does not have kilkenny as the opponents?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 06, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
LAOIS (SF v Dublin): Graham Brody; Padraig McMahon, Paul Begley, Peter O'Leary; Darren Strong, Stephen Attride, Colm Begley; Kevin Meaney, John O'Loughlin; James Finn, Donal Kingston, Billy Sheehan; Ross Munnelly, Conor Meredith, David Conway
Not a bad team
"Dont Matter" will you attend ??? Id imagine your working and siring in the capital and have that chip on yer shoulder since you left your county.
sure he works for Newstalk
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 08, 2014, 10:54:05 AM
I urge all Laois fans going to keep safe. Don't carry much cash with you, keep your belongings close and lock your car doors. Luckily they keep the worst of the locals segregated in their own area inside Croke Park so that should be fine but we may be surrounded by lilies so be wary. It's likely to be a big defeat but remember we're an amateur team competing against professionals. Then afterwards try to make a quick escape and don't look at any of the locals in the eye, they consider that starting on them or they might be looking for a euro. Hon Laois!
The only players getting paid are the Laois lads by Dublin clubs so jog on like a good lad
Well DM , with an attitude that "it's likely to be a big defeat" I am wondering if you are from Laois? The natives here are friendly and your cash will be safe. That said, they might be a bit passed off around 6 pm when they find a surprise in store.
The gobshites on Rte couldn't even observe the minutes silence >:(
that pitch looks fairly cut up from the first game
Good start, Laois should have taken that goal chance earlier.
Great game so far.
8 to 6 for Laois at 27 mins.
What happened to brogan
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 08, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
What happened to brogan
Hammer tweaked by the looks of things
Laois Goalie having a stormer . What age is he ? Dubs in a wee bit of bother .
He was over trained. (Brogan)
Laois putting the foot back into football
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 08, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
What happened to brogan
Looking at the quality players (Munnelly, Kingston, Strong) Laois have you'd wonder why they haven't been doing better the last few years. Brody has been brilliant too. Looks very young.
What odds were laois for this match if dublin were 40-1 on ?
You get the sense though that if they keep getting those goal chances for the Dubs they might kick on. As well as Laois are doing the post and their keeper is just keeping them in front.
We've seen it before where teams have lead like this in the past against Dublin. They have more in them. Still would gladly see them lose.
V good game so far. Dubs have had a couple of goal chances which would have gone in on another day
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2014, 04:43:17 PM
What odds were laois for this match if dublin were 40-1 on ?
12/1
Very good point scoring from Laois so far but you'd have to think that Dublin just have to uncross a few wires in the 2nd half.
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2014, 04:44:39 PM
You get the sense though that if they keep getting those goal chances for the Dubs they might kick on. As well as Laois are doing the post and their keeper is just keeping them in front.
We've seen it before where teams have lead like this in the past against Dublin. They have more in them. Still would gladly see them lose.
Laois missed two goal chances as well and a 4th minute point by Kingston waved wide. The galloots on the RTE panel are at it now saying Dubs are a second half team. Flutes can't even see that Laois are the better football team and will win.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2014, 04:43:17 PM
What odds were laois for this match if dublin were 40-1 on ?
I think they were 10/1 or so
Looks like it's all over
MDMA shoulda had a yellow there
QuoteFlutes can't even see that Laois are the better football team and will win.
The Flutes got it right, imagine that.
FT Dublin 2-21 Laois 0-16
Donie Kingston didn't want to know after he got the bang on the nose.
Fair play to Ross Munnelly, never stopped trying and kicked some great scores.
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
QuoteFlutes can't even see that Laois are the better football team and will win.
The Flutes got it right, imagine that.
>:( well at least Laois gave it a lash and didn't come and set out a boring defence with hand passing. Dubs have two teams though and will be hard to beat, no team has the quality of subs.
Slightly flattering score line there, given that the second goal was a gift - I know we had a lot of goal chances, but any team with a keeper as good as Brody deserve to be in there at the end.
Nothing more than I expected, Laois always lift it for the Dubs, I just hope that they can keep it together for a qualifier run. As for ourselves, that was just what we needed. Scoreline aside that was no facile win. we had to fight for everything and it will have brought us on a ton.
Very satisfactory altogether.
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium. Wish the rest of Leinster CB's would grow some balls and vote to get the Dubs down the country. You might not hear so much of the cheers from the home fans when the opposition makes a mistake, the 'Off! Off! Off!'s or the soccer style terrace singing if they had to visit hostile territory.
Valiant effort from Laois. Some great play by the Dubs. I think Paddy Andrews is a fantastic player and much underrated. The Laois lad could have got the line there for his raised hands to Andrews' face but the Dub CHF bailed him out when others would have made a meal of it.
I know he's a good player and current footballer of the year but I cannot warm at all to McAuley. He's the ultimate modern player-a mobile athlete. I like the old style long, bony streaks of piss or the brickshithouse farmers that ate plates of spuds for breakfast for a center fielder.
Having visited hostile territory myself, you're probably much more likely to hear it when we're travelling!
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 08, 2014, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
QuoteFlutes can't even see that Laois are the better football team and will win.
The Flutes got it right, imagine that.
>:( well at least Laois gave it a lash and didn't come and set out a boring defence with hand passing. Dubs have two teams though and will be hard to beat, no team has the quality of subs.
But that was exactly what team needs to do. You won't beat Dublin playing open football for 70 minutes unless you have players to match their pace and the quality of subs. Sadly no one else has that. So it should have been Donegal mode for 35mins and then try open things up when it suits your team.
Meath gave Dublin the exact same game last year as Laois did today. Hopefully Mick O'Dowd won't be as naïve again
Makes a better game when a team comes out and plays like Laois but very hard to see a team beating Dublin like that
I find it more entertaining when Meath win.
Quote from: thejuice on June 08, 2014, 07:53:33 PM
I find it more entertaining when Meath win.
An rud is annamh is iontach ;D
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
I'm in full blown patronising Dublin fan mode here but I was impressed by Laois. They made it a real contest for most of the match and that's all you can ask for from anybody against this invincible Dublin team*.
*Dublin are not invincible, and I have doubts about whether they will retain the All-Ireland, but I think realistically only Cork, Mayo, or at a push Donegal can even give them a proper contest. I hope I'm wrong because I do find Dublin's current dominance quite boring - it has ruined the match day experience for me - it's not much fun continuously watching lambs put to slaughter. Today was far from the worst though in that department.
Quote from: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 09:03:02 PM
I'm in full blown patronising Dublin fan mode here but I was impressed by Laois. They made it a real contest for most of the match and that's all you can ask for from anybody against this invincible Dublin team*.
*Dublin are not invincible, and I have doubts about whether they will retain the All-Ireland, but I think realistically only Cork, Mayo, or at a push Donegal can even give them a proper contest. I hope I'm wrong because I do find Dublin's current dominance quite boring - it has ruined the match day experience for me - it's not much fun continuously watching lambs put to slaughter. Today was far from the worst though in that department.
* Hard to see Dublin losing in the next 50 years
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Were the lads in your local Finches, Neilstown happy?
Quote from: heffo on June 08, 2014, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Were the lads in your local Finches, Neilstown happy?
Finches is a tough spot but I'm sure some of the Armagh boys could hold their own there.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2014, 04:40:16 PM
Laois Goalie having a stormer . What age is he ? Dubs in a wee bit of bother .
Early 20's. He had a stormer is right. Looks very raw and about 12 years old!
Laois have had a few keepers since Fergal Byron and none really as good as Byron but this fella certainly seems good enough to be between the sticks for years to come.
Dublin could catch up to Kerry's All-Irelands with this generation. This year is a certainty.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 09, 2014, 12:44:58 AM
Dublin could catch up to Kerry's All-Irelands with this generation. This year is a certainty.
There are no certainties in sport but this year must be as near a certainty as we've ever had.
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
That's totally out of order saying that. You should be banned.
The Saw Doctors are not crap.
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Laois gave a good display. Munnelly was excellent.
Still don't think the scoreline flattered Dublin at all. Dominated the second half and were fairly ruthless when it mattered , took most of their second half scores.
Margin not particularly important but both managers have a lot to be happy with.
Quote from: laoislad on June 09, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
That's totally out of order saying that. You should be banned.
The Saw Doctors are not crap.
The Sawdoctors are not crap is right. Pity we didn't bate the Dublin hoors last year... :-X
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2014, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 09, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
That's totally out of order saying that. You should be banned.
The Saw Doctors are not crap.
The Sawdoctors are not crap is right. Pity we didn't bate the Dublin hoors last year... :-X
Dublin players were told ahead of time if they lost then the Saw Doctors would be played over the tannoy. There was no way they were going to let that happen.
Got offered Prawn Sandwich tickets so I went along with a Dub pal.
I was expecting Laois to put it up to them in the first half but for Dublin to completely take over in teh second half and I wasn't too far wrong.
I was surprised how well Laois were taking their scores and how bad the marking was for a lot of it.
Having been to the first Down v Tyrone match and now watched this match the lack of excitement and intensity is amazing.
I said to my mate that in Ulster even the "so called" lesser teams tend to come and put up a fight. They get stuck in and rattle you and try to get in your face. With a lot of them now relying on the packed defence system so make it harder for the big team to win.
Someone on here said fair play to Laois for playing man to man and yes as a neutral it made it more entertaining to watch but it's also very naive
The main difference I see with Dublin's forwards these days is they constantly believe they can beat their man and go for goals. Often to their detriment. Kevin McManamon nearly always takes his man on and accelerates away and more often that not goes for goal. I was amazed how Laois did nothing to combat this.
Yes Dublin could probably have gone up a gear or three if they liked but you just knew it was inevitable. For those teams who have some hope of beating them I think it will come down to NOT playing them at open football but to swamp the defence and make it hard for them to penetrate
The problem then of course is how to you get scores yourself.
In the past I think dominant teams like Kerry and the Dubs struggled the most against Northern teams who showed them zero respect. I was thinking last night that in most people's eye Dublin have become untouchable now yet they really struggled to shake off Mayo last year who had not got great forwards. So what has changed since last Sept. Have Dublin got that much better or is it just in everyone's heads.
Have they got fitter and stronger or just more confident.
The one chink I can see is that their old problem of over confidence could catch them.
If they think they can let teams get a lead on them and then they can reign it in at will but maybe some day some team will pull away too much. If a team with a good sub bench can get a lead and then like the Dubs do unleash the new lads for another push then they could be caught out. Combine that with maybe build up a lead and then totally sit back and park 2 buses.
Interestingly after the game I went to a pub with my pal and in comes Connolly, Rock, McCarthy and a few others. I had a chat with them and they seemed in good "spirits". Jim must let them off the laois the odd time.
No sign of Philly McMahon though.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 09, 2014, 03:26:42 PM
Got offered Prawn Sandwich tickets so I went along with a Dub pal.
I was expecting Laois to put it up to them in the first half but for Dublin to completely take over in teh second half and I wasn't too far wrong.
I was surprised how well Laois were taking their scores and how bad the marking was for a lot of it.
Having been to the first Down v Tyrone match and now watched this match the lack of excitement and intensity is amazing.
I said to my mate that in Ulster even the "so called" lesser teams tend to come and put up a fight. They get stuck in and rattle you and try to get in your face. With a lot of them now relying on the packed defence system so make it harder for the big team to win.
Someone on here said fair play to Laois for playing man to man and yes as a neutral it made it more entertaining to watch but it's also very naive
The main difference I see with Dublin's forwards these days is they constantly believe they can beat their man and go for goals. Often to their detriment. Kevin McManamon nearly always takes his man on and accelerates away and more often that not goes for goal. I was amazed how Laois did nothing to combat this.
Yes Dublin could probably have gone up a gear or three if they liked but you just knew it was inevitable. For those teams who have some hope of beating them I think it will come down to NOT playing them at open football but to swamp the defence and make it hard for them to penetrate
The problem then of course is how to you get scores yourself.
In the past I think dominant teams like Kerry and the Dubs struggled the most against Northern teams who showed them zero respect. I was thinking last night that in most people's eye Dublin have become untouchable now yet they really struggled to shake off Mayo last year who had not got great forwards. So what has changed since last Sept. Have Dublin got that much better or is it just in everyone's heads.
Have they got fitter and stronger or just more confident.
The one chink I can see is that their old problem of over confidence could catch them.
If they think they can let teams get a lead on them and then they can reign it in at will but maybe some day some team will pull away too much. If a team with a good sub bench can get a lead and then like the Dubs do unleash the new lads for another push then they could be caught out. Combine that with maybe build up a lead and then totally sit back and park 2 buses.
Interestingly after the game I went to a pub with my pal and in comes Connolly, Rock, McCarthy and a few others. I had a chat with them and they seemed in good "spirits". Jim must let them off the laois the odd time.
No sign of Philly McMahon though.
Philly is a non drinker and has his own business so Id imagine the boozer is the last place he wants to go
Fine performance by Laois in the first half, but Dublin owned the second half the highlight of which was the first goal scored by Diarmuid Connolly with a class assist from Philly McMahon.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 09, 2014, 03:26:42 PM
Got offered Prawn Sandwich tickets so I went along with a Dub pal.
I was expecting Laois to put it up to them in the first half but for Dublin to completely take over in teh second half and I wasn't too far wrong.
I was surprised how well Laois were taking their scores and how bad the marking was for a lot of it.
Having been to the first Down v Tyrone match and now watched this match the lack of excitement and intensity is amazing.
I said to my mate that in Ulster even the "so called" lesser teams tend to come and put up a fight. They get stuck in and rattle you and try to get in your face. With a lot of them now relying on the packed defence system so make it harder for the big team to win.
Someone on here said fair play to Laois for playing man to man and yes as a neutral it made it more entertaining to watch but it's also very naive
The main difference I see with Dublin's forwards these days is they constantly believe they can beat their man and go for goals. Often to their detriment. Kevin McManamon nearly always takes his man on and accelerates away and more often that not goes for goal. I was amazed how Laois did nothing to combat this.
Yes Dublin could probably have gone up a gear or three if they liked but you just knew it was inevitable. For those teams who have some hope of beating them I think it will come down to NOT playing them at open football but to swamp the defence and make it hard for them to penetrate
The problem then of course is how to you get scores yourself.
In the past I think dominant teams like Kerry and the Dubs struggled the most against Northern teams who showed them zero respect. I was thinking last night that in most people's eye Dublin have become untouchable now yet they really struggled to shake off Mayo last year who had not got great forwards. So what has changed since last Sept. Have Dublin got that much better or is it just in everyone's heads.
Have they got fitter and stronger or just more confident.
The one chink I can see is that their old problem of over confidence could catch them.
If they think they can let teams get a lead on them and then they can reign it in at will but maybe some day some team will pull away too much. If a team with a good sub bench can get a lead and then like the Dubs do unleash the new lads for another push then they could be caught out. Combine that with maybe build up a lead and then totally sit back and park 2 buses.
Interestingly after the game I went to a pub with my pal and in comes Connolly, Rock, McCarthy and a few others. I had a chat with them and they seemed in good "spirits". Jim must let them off the laois the odd time.
No sign of Philly McMahon though.
The problem every team has playing Dublin is that the weakest aspect of the Dublin team is the defence and yet for teams to attack that they have to attack which leaves their defence open. The other aspect Dublin have which is missing for most teams is that Dublin tend to have 6 forwards who can score and 4 of them can score off either foot which makes it far harder to defend especially with scoring halfbacks who attack with immense pace.
Imo we are far too reliant on one player. Big big trouble if Rory O'Carroll gets injured or hits bad form. The way we play leaves him isolated all the time and imo he carries the rest of the fullback line when it comes to defending.
Our lynchpin.
The rest of the team may be replaceable to a degree but not him.
Fancy Kildare to have a say in this year's championship. Jason Ryan is an exceptional manager.
Johnny Cooper could play there no problem to him
Actually though RoC isn't comfortable when his man leaves the square and pulls him out all over the pitch
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Yeah Fair Play indeed
Ye should all do the same and lie down and roll over
Just accept yer gonna lose anyway so no point doing a Donegal on it and spoiling an entertaining game of football.
::) ::) ::)
As Brolly says it will be interesting to see if Donegal do get themselves back on track and how would Dublin manage playing such a style of football. At the moment playing Dublin at open man to man football is suicide but sure at least it's sporting.
And drawing Dublin onto you is the only solution? Laois were in the game 10 minutes into the second half so who's to say if they had set up like Donegal they would have been in a different position either then or going into the last 5 minutes. Dublin have too many scoring options and players who are too strong to argue that a system like Donegal's would necessarily be more effective. Derry were right in there with a chance of beating Donegal, the same Derry annihilated by Dublin in the league final.
A heroic effort from Laois against the professionals. Didn't deserve to lose by 11 but considering the huge gulf in resources/population etc it was about a 30 point victory for Laois.
Dubl$n will go on to win the Leinster and All Ireland. Yet more titles added to the list that will have an asterisk placed beside it but also more titles that will guarantee the splitting of Dubl$n!
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Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Short memories, there were two teams playing defensively that day.
The sooner people realise that scores dont automatically equal excitement, nor make a good game, the better.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 10, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Short memories, there were two teams playing defensively that day.
The sooner people realise that scores dont automatically equal excitement, nor make a good game, the better.
No there wasn't. Donegal drew forwards back towards their own goals and Dublin played the orthodox way leaving them heavily outnumbering the remnants of the Donegal forward line facing them.
Spot on Canalman, how anyone can accuse Dublin of playing defensively in that game is beyond me.
Quote from: Zulu on June 11, 2014, 11:24:35 AM
Spot on Canalman, how anyone can accuse Dublin of playing defensively in that game is beyond me.
Calm down, theres nothing wrong with playing defensively...
The orthodox way is for defenders to mark their men, would you both not agree? When their men retreated, the question would have been asked - follow? Clearly it was answered (probably before the game started) - 'No, sit back', i.e. play defensively.
Packed Dublin Defence with only two Donegal forwards in sight
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ymg96c.jpg)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284073-donegal_dublin/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284073-donegal_dublin/)
Fourteen-man Dublin squeezed past Donegal in a dour, defensive struggle at Croke Park to qualify for their first All-Ireland football final since 1995.
Both sides packed their defence, with Donegal adopting a particularly cautious approach, which looked as if it would pay off when they eased into a three points lead early in the second half.
A low-scoring encounter finally went Dublin's way, strangely after they lost full forward Diarmuid Connolly to a straight red card on 57 minutes.
The Dubs managed just two points from play, but they just got over the line, and deservedly so, to set up a clash with Kerry in the decider.
The game was almost nine minutes old when Colm McFadden treated a heaving crowd of 81,436 to the first score, from a free.
But it was McFadden's careless pass which gave Bernard Brogan the opportunity to go one-on-one with 'keeper Paul Durcan, but the Dublin attacker sent his shot zipping wide at the far post.
The Dublin attackers were never allowed an inch of space by a Donegal defence which suffocated its opponents with strength of numbers and intense pressure on the man in possession.
Donegal also found it difficult to make progress against a packed Dublin defence, but when forced to shoot from distance, eased in front with a long range effort from Ryan Bradley.
That was in the 24th minute, and was only the game's third score, a feature which had already drawn jeers from an increasingly frustrated attendance.
Bernard Brogan converted his second free to bring the sides level, but that was to be the Metropolitans' lot in the first half.
And Donegal finished with a couple of excellent points from play, a long distance Kevin Cassidy special and a delightful McFadden slice.
It was 0-4 to 0-2 in favour of the Ulster champions at the interval, and they had a glorious goal chance immediately after the restart when McFadden broke clear, but he blazed his shot over the bar.
Goalkeeper Stephen Cluxton landed a Dublin free, his ninth score of the championship, but McFadden restored the Ulster champions' three points advantage with another superb effort from play.
Defences were still very much on top, but the introduction of Kevin McManamon was a major plus for Dublin, his strong running exposing some weaknesses in a Donegal rearguard unit which had lost key man Karl Lacey through injury.
A Cluxton '45 had just narrowed the gap to a point when Connolly was sent off for striking out at Marty Boyle, but that setback appeared to lift Pat Gilroy's side.
They pushed on and scored the final three points of the game, McManamon bringing his side level, before Bryan Cullen and Brogan hammered home the final nails.
Dublin: S Cluxton (0-2, 1f, 1 '45), C O'Sullivan, R O'Carroll, M Fitzsimons, J McCarthy, G Brennan, K Nolan, D Bastick, MD Macauley, P Flynn, B Cahill, B Cullen (0-1), A Brogan, D Connolly, B Brogan (0-4, 4f).
Subs: P McMahon for O'Carroll, K McManamon (0-1) for Cahill, E O'Gara for McCarthy, E Fennell for Bastick, Ross McCarroll for Flyhbnn
Donegal: P Durcan, E McGee, N McGee, F McGlynn, A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy (0-1), R Kavanagh, N Gallagher, M McHugh, D Walsh, R Bradley (0-1), C Toye, M Murphy, C McFadden (0-4, 2f).
Subs: M Hegarty for Toye, M Boyle for Lacey, M McElhinney for Hegarty, P McBrearty for Walsh
Referee: M Deegan (Laois).
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284053-gaatracker/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284053-gaatracker/)
Wait there. If the 'packed' Dublin defence was simply because they left the Donegal forwards alone when they went into the blanket formation, then that is not a defensive tactic. If Dublin were withdrawing their own forwards, then that would have been a defensive tactic.
Actually I was at a game when this blanket defense stuff was getting going, and it was painful. Offaly v Westmeath in O'Connor Park in the Championship. Both teams played with withdrawn half forward lines and a two man inside forward line. It was putrid stuff. Formations were 1-3-5-3-1-2. It was like looking at rugby league without the tackling. Waves breaking on a rocky shore.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
Packed Dublin Defence with only two Donegal forwards in sight
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ymg96c.jpg)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284073-donegal_dublin/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284073-donegal_dublin/)
Fourteen-man Dublin squeezed past Donegal in a dour, defensive struggle at Croke Park to qualify for their first All-Ireland football final since 1995.
Both sides packed their defence, with Donegal adopting a particularly cautious approach, which looked as if it would pay off when they eased into a three points lead early in the second half.
A low-scoring encounter finally went Dublin's way, strangely after they lost full forward Diarmuid Connolly to a straight red card on 57 minutes.
The Dubs managed just two points from play, but they just got over the line, and deservedly so, to set up a clash with Kerry in the decider.
The game was almost nine minutes old when Colm McFadden treated a heaving crowd of 81,436 to the first score, from a free.
But it was McFadden's careless pass which gave Bernard Brogan the opportunity to go one-on-one with 'keeper Paul Durcan, but the Dublin attacker sent his shot zipping wide at the far post.
The Dublin attackers were never allowed an inch of space by a Donegal defence which suffocated its opponents with strength of numbers and intense pressure on the man in possession.
Donegal also found it difficult to make progress against a packed Dublin defence, but when forced to shoot from distance, eased in front with a long range effort from Ryan Bradley.
That was in the 24th minute, and was only the game's third score, a feature which had already drawn jeers from an increasingly frustrated attendance.
Bernard Brogan converted his second free to bring the sides level, but that was to be the Metropolitans' lot in the first half.
And Donegal finished with a couple of excellent points from play, a long distance Kevin Cassidy special and a delightful McFadden slice.
It was 0-4 to 0-2 in favour of the Ulster champions at the interval, and they had a glorious goal chance immediately after the restart when McFadden broke clear, but he blazed his shot over the bar.
Goalkeeper Stephen Cluxton landed a Dublin free, his ninth score of the championship, but McFadden restored the Ulster champions' three points advantage with another superb effort from play.
Defences were still very much on top, but the introduction of Kevin McManamon was a major plus for Dublin, his strong running exposing some weaknesses in a Donegal rearguard unit which had lost key man Karl Lacey through injury.
A Cluxton '45 had just narrowed the gap to a point when Connolly was sent off for striking out at Marty Boyle, but that setback appeared to lift Pat Gilroy's side.
They pushed on and scored the final three points of the game, McManamon bringing his side level, before Bryan Cullen and Brogan hammered home the final nails.
Dublin: S Cluxton (0-2, 1f, 1 '45), C O'Sullivan, R O'Carroll, M Fitzsimons, J McCarthy, G Brennan, K Nolan, D Bastick, MD Macauley, P Flynn, B Cahill, B Cullen (0-1), A Brogan, D Connolly, B Brogan (0-4, 4f).
Subs: P McMahon for O'Carroll, K McManamon (0-1) for Cahill, E O'Gara for McCarthy, E Fennell for Bastick, Ross McCarroll for Flyhbnn
Donegal: P Durcan, E McGee, N McGee, F McGlynn, A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy (0-1), R Kavanagh, N Gallagher, M McHugh, D Walsh, R Bradley (0-1), C Toye, M Murphy, C McFadden (0-4, 2f).
Subs: M Hegarty for Toye, M Boyle for Lacey, M McElhinney for Hegarty, P McBrearty for Walsh
Referee: M Deegan (Laois).
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284053-gaatracker/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2011/0828/284053-gaatracker/)
Call me a traditionalist or what but I prefer to base my opinions on what I actually saw at the game as opposed to a newspaper article.
My point is rightly or wrongly Dublin backs didn't follow their opponents and defended the space in front of their own goals in an orthodox manner.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 10, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
A heroic effort from Laois against the professionals. Didn't deserve to lose by 11 but considering the huge gulf in resources/population etc it was about a 30 point victory for Laois.
Dubl$n will go on to win the Leinster and All Ireland. Yet more titles added to the list that will have an asterisk placed beside it but also more titles that will guarantee the splitting of Dubl$n!
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 10, 2014, 04:31:51 PM
Yeah Fair Play indeed
Ye should all do the same and lie down and roll over
Just accept yer gonna lose anyway so no point doing a Donegal on it and spoiling an entertaining game of football. ::) ::) ::)
As Brolly says it will be interesting to see if Donegal do get themselves back on track and how would Dublin manage playing such a style of football. At the moment playing Dublin at open man to man football is suicide but sure at least it's sporting.
That's exactly it, play the game the way it should, fast paced attacking football, try and outscore them rather than destroy the game of football as we know it, an argument for another day.
Nothing would give us more pleasure as to get Donegal in any round this year, it would be an epic battle.
And I am not denying Dublin 2012 were defensive.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 10, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Short memories, there were two teams playing defensively that day.
The sooner people realise that scores dont automatically equal excitement, nor make a good game, the better.
Do you prefer the Donegal way or the Dublin way, say last year v Kerry or Donegal v Derry this year, which type of football you like?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 10, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
A heroic effort from Laois against the professionals. Didn't deserve to lose by 11 but considering the huge gulf in resources/population etc it was about a 30 point victory for Laois.
Dubl$n will go on to win the Leinster and All Ireland. Yet more titles added to the list that will have an asterisk placed beside it but also more titles that will guarantee the splitting of Dubl$n!
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Any joiners or plasterers on that panel?
Quote from: johnneycool on June 11, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 10, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
A heroic effort from Laois against the professionals. Didn't deserve to lose by 11 but considering the huge gulf in resources/population etc it was about a 30 point victory for Laois.
Dubl$n will go on to win the Leinster and All Ireland. Yet more titles added to the list that will have an asterisk placed beside it but also more titles that will guarantee the splitting of Dubl$n!
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Any joiners or plasterers on that panel?
Not sure, Duirmo used to be a sparks, not now though, not sure.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 10, 2014, 04:31:51 PM
Yeah Fair Play indeed
Ye should all do the same and lie down and roll over
Just accept yer gonna lose anyway so no point doing a Donegal on it and spoiling an entertaining game of football. ::) ::) ::)
As Brolly says it will be interesting to see if Donegal do get themselves back on track and how would Dublin manage playing such a style of football. At the moment playing Dublin at open man to man football is suicide but sure at least it's sporting.
That's exactly it, play the game the way it should, fast paced attacking football, try and outscore them rather than destroy the game of football as we know it, an argument for another day.
Nothing would give us more pleasure as to get Donegal in any round this year, it would be an epic battle.
And I am not denying Dublin 2012 were defensive.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 10, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Short memories, there were two teams playing defensively that day.
The sooner people realise that scores dont automatically equal excitement, nor make a good game, the better.
Do you prefer the Donegal way or the Dublin way, say last year v Kerry or Donegal v Derry this year, which type of football you like?
Well of course you can pick out a good high scoring game, and contrast it to a bad low scoring game, but the point is that there are also good low scoring games, and bad high scoring games. The scoring isnt an indicator of how good the game was, and a good defence isnt something to be mocked.
Kerry Dublin was a great game last year, the best game I've seen in a long time, but its still behind the best one I've ever seen, Tyrone Armagh when both were at their peak, I'm pretty sure it was in the AI semi in 2005. The first was a high scoring game, the second wasn't.
For me, the key factor in enjoyment is competitiveness. I've no interest in watching lads sauntering through unmarked and putting up cricket scores.
I think you're wrong re Donegal this year too by the way. Imo Dublin can only be beat by themselves, and they'll not lose focus for donegal if they get that far.
Quote from: Canalman on June 11, 2014, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on June 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 10, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 09, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: laoislad on June 08, 2014, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on June 08, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Molly Malone there over the tannoy at FT to a half empty stadium.
Yeah what the fcuk was that about?
Anything to keep the drunks on the Hill happy I suppose.
I'm sure the lovely Trudi Lalor would have got an airing if Laois won..... ::)
Predictable result but a scoreline that maybe flattered Dublin.
Was delighted to see a Laois team go out and play and gave it their all. I honestly don't mind them losing when you know they gave it a proper go but were just beaten by a far superior team. Nothing worse than seeing them not giving a fcuk and throwing in the towel early on as has happened often with Laois. I thought we scored some superb points today as well, and a wonderful goalkeeping performance from young Brody as well.
They ran out of steam in the second half and the clusterfuck for the second goal finished them and the game.Dublin had another few gears they could have gone up if they really needed to.
Perhaps the song was played to wake up the drug abusers down from Laois, all a few hundred of them, as per recent reports, Laois has the highest level of drug abuse in the country. Oh sorry am I tarring all with the same brush.
They usually play a song for the winning team, sometimes its the boys are back in town, when Mayo beat Dublin in 2013 they played the saw doctors or some crap like that.
As for the game, Dublin only in strolling mode. Training game. Bigger fish to fry later in the year.
F*ck I must have been really drunk, I thought it was the other way round.
Championes, championes!
2012 :0
Fair play to Laois, gave us a good game and didn't do a Donegal on it, played it the way it should.
Short memories, there were two teams playing defensively that day.
The sooner people realise that scores dont automatically equal excitement, nor make a good game, the better.
No there wasn't. Donegal drew forwards back towards their own goals and Dublin played the orthodox way leaving them heavily outnumbering the remnants of the Donegal forward line facing them.
So Donegal men were NOT also running into waves of Dublin players when Donegal attacked in that game? Dublin forwards maintained their "orthodox" formation even when Donegal attacked?
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2ymg96c.jpg)
Is that a picture of the Hill or the Dublin defence? I'm really not sure.
There should really be a NSFW Caption on that picture.
Wait, that's Dublin? I thought they were the Orcs from LOTR!
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Enjoy your titles won through foul means, each one is a step closer to split time. ;D
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 11, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Enjoy your titles won through foul means, each one is a step closer to split time. ;D
We will enjoy it, and we will enjoy a lot lot lot more so get use to it. The split will never happen, well not in the next 50 years anyway, the fans, players and the GAA in Dublin wont stand for it, it will be more a case of the amalgamation of weaker counties like Laois to try and compete at the high level set out by Dublin.
Dublin = total football, a new breed of player and style, enjoy watching us.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 11, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Enjoy your titles won through foul means, each one is a step closer to split time. ;D
We will enjoy it, and we will enjoy a lot lot lot more so get use to it. The split will never happen, well not in the next 50 years anyway, the fans, players and the GAA in Dublin wont stand for it, it will be more a case of the amalgamation of weaker counties like Laois to try and compete at the high level set out by Dublin.
Dublin = total football, a new breed of player and style, enjoy watching us.
Jesus. I know you're only trying to wind him up, but that's hard to read in fairness
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
We will enjoy it, and we will enjoy a lot lot lot more so get use to it. The split will never happen, well not in the next 50 years anyway, the fans, players and the GAA in Dublin wont stand for it, it will be more a case of the amalgamation of weaker counties like Laois to try and compete at the high level set out by Dublin.
Dublin = total football, a new breed of player and style, enjoy watching us.
;D It's the most expensively assembled team the GAA has ever seen by a huge margin. With the amount spent on the players coming through the youth system, the amount spent on top class facilites, coaches, a World champion, extensive backroom teams, giving free cars to players etc etc it must reach nearly 20 million!
The question is: how can you not win with all these resources? In fact it's embarrassing that you've only won 2 senior All Irelands during this time. The split is coming! :D
Yes we all think Don't Matter goes OTT and so weakens the argument to some degree but most of do believe the Dubs really do have an unfair advantage with lots of things now and not just population and money. The team they have at the moment though is exceptional and so even now if they were made to play ALL their games outside Croker it "Won't matter" any more"
I'm sure nobody will answer this question honestly but can we not get some openness about how much training Dublin is doing?
How many mornings and or nights a week do they train?
I just heard the hurling team took a week off work and went abroad for a week of high intensity training. Do they take annual leave from their jobs or who pays them?
I know other counties sometimes do this once a year before the start of the championship but this seems to have been different.
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 11, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 12:13:42 PM
Poor auld Jack McCaffery, he doesn't know he's a professional, someone tell him to stop studying medicine in UCD quick and someone tell Cluxton to stop teaching in Coolock too, someone tell Jim Gavin he doesn't need to fly planes anymore.
Enjoy the backdoor Don't matter, sleep well.
Enjoy your titles won through foul means, each one is a step closer to split time. ;D
We will enjoy it, and we will enjoy a lot lot lot more so get use to it. The split will never happen, well not in the next 50 years anyway, the fans, players and the GAA in Dublin wont stand for it, it will be more a case of the amalgamation of weaker counties like Laois to try and compete at the high level set out by Dublin.
Dublin = total football, a new breed of player and style, enjoy watching us.
Jesus. I know you're only trying to wind him up, but that's hard to read in fairness
So is listening to that gobshi&e day in day out.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
I just heard the hurling team took a week off work and went abroad for a week of high intensity training. Do they take annual leave from their jobs or who pays them?
I know other counties sometimes do this once a year before the start of the championship but this seems to have been different.
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
Its not the first time Dublin has had a really good team, Leinster was very competitive back in the Early 90`s and that team got to 3 finals in 4 yrs and could have made it 4 if they had turned Derry over, who`s to say with a bit of luck that that team couldn't have won 3 Ireland's? They had a better defence and midfield that the current Dublin team but lacked 2 serious scoring forwards
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
I just heard the hurling team took a week off work and went abroad for a week of high intensity training. Do they take annual leave from their jobs or who pays them?
I know other counties sometimes do this once a year before the start of the championship but this seems to have been different.
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
Must get the moaning from that whinger Niall Morgan ......................................."It's obvious that Dublin have appointed ball boys to fire a ball to Cluxton whenever he calls for one," Morgan said to The Irish Daily Star"
Tool piece of the highest order
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218165
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
Yes they get free petrol alright ............................ ::) ::) ::) ::)
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/230724288611762176
To be honest I don't see that as a whinge at Dublin. I think he just wants quick ball too.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 11, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
Yes they get free petrol alright ............................ ::) ::) ::) ::)
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/230724288611762176
Nice car all the same though
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/470204918528487424/photo/1
Quote from: ballinaman on June 11, 2014, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 11, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
Yes they get free petrol alright ............................ ::) ::) ::) ::)
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/230724288611762176
Nice car all the same though
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/470204918528487424/photo/1
prefer this one ;)
https://twitter.com/AIDOXI/status/473085085991067649/photo/1
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 08:29:09 PM
To be honest I don't see that as a whinge at Dublin. I think he just wants quick ball too.
Therein lies the rub. While I haven't bashed Dublin, every slight against Dublin will be used by Dubs as 'Dub-bashing' and the ones who 'Dub-bash' will be called toolpieces or whatever.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 11, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 11, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Is it true they ALL get cars and petrol? If so why be so hidden about this?
Yes they get free petrol alright ............................ ::) ::) ::) ::)
https://twitter.com/MDMA_9/status/230724288611762176
Maybe because the petrol is free, he thought he wouldn't have to fill it up himself :P
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 11, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
Tool piece of the highest order
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218165
And your persecution complex is showing...
Why did Morgan single out Cluxton? There where 3 other goalkeepers playing in croker on Sunday! It's up to Morgan and Tyrone to make sure the ball boys give him the ball quickly if he so desires!
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 11, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 11, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
We will enjoy it, and we will enjoy a lot lot lot more so get use to it. The split will never happen, well not in the next 50 years anyway, the fans, players and the GAA in Dublin wont stand for it, it will be more a case of the amalgamation of weaker counties like Laois to try and compete at the high level set out by Dublin.
Dublin = total football, a new breed of player and style, enjoy watching us.
;D It's the most expensively assembled team the GAA has ever seen by a huge margin. With the amount spent on the players coming through the youth system, the amount spent on top class facilites, coaches, a World champion, extensive backroom teams, giving free cars to players etc etc it must reach nearly 20 million!
The question is: how can you not win with all these resources? In fact it's embarrassing that you've only won 2 senior All Irelands during this time. The split is coming! :D
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you " You don't matter". I was busy working my 500,000 a year job with the Dublin county board so couldn't write back. Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 12, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you " You don't matter". I was busy working my 500,000 a year job with the Dublin county board so couldn't write back. Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Look at this lad, he thinks Dubl$n are the GAA. ;D A plan was put together by HQ to pump money into Dubl$n GAA which would make them more competitive in football and hurling, resulting in more revenue for the GAA. Bertie put the plan in motion and since then millions of euro from the GAA and the general public have gone into the development of Dubl$n teams from underage to senior in both codes.
I have listed before the amount of titles this money has garnered, an endless list of underage championships and 2 senior All Irelands. The increased competitiveness has also attracted higher sponsorship deals, the multi million euro aig deal being the latest. There has also been millions of euro of GAA and public money gone into facilities in Dubl$n, top class facilities dotted all over the place. So you see Dubl$n GAA is getting much more out of the other 31 counties than the other way round. You will never see a Dub admit to this and as I've said before, Garth Brooks will create plenty of revenue for the GAA, should we hand him an All Ireland medal too?
Then this Dub claims that refs and the GAA have cost his team All Irelands. ;D He's got to have been doing the regular Dub recreational activity this morning. There would be no Dubl$n All Irelands this century without the refs and HQ handing it to them. So you remember, every time you watch Dubl$n play, it's money taken from the rest of us that's making you successful and you aren't winning by fair means. Also remember it could be one of the last times you see them play as the split will happen.
How do you sleep at night with the weight of knowing the GAA have a big conspiracy going to make Dublin the top dogs in the country?
What if they were to win the hurling and football in one year? Would you implode?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2014, 09:28:15 AM
How do you sleep at night with the weight of knowing the GAA have a big conspiracy going to make Dublin the top dogs in the country?
What if they were to win the hurling and football in one year? Would you implode?
I sleep easy. Presidents of the GAA have said their aim was to make Dubl$n the top county in both football and hurling. There's no conspiracy here. It's inevitable that Dubl$n will win football and hurling All Irelands in one year, how could they not? The money is still flowing in. I wont implode but do you not have a problem with teams been bought All Irelands? It can't be great for Dub supporters either, it would be much more satisfying to win by fair means.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 12, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Only €100k? We must be cutting back.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2014, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 12, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Only €100k? We must be cutting back.
Kildare must be skint, county board can't even afford to pay for players dinners in Croker after the match the last day sure!
Quote from: ballinaman on June 12, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2014, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 12, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Only €100k? We must be cutting back.
Kildare must be skint, county board can't even afford to pay for players dinners in Croker after the match the last day sure!
Brady's Ham provided a few post match sambos instead.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2014, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 12, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2014, 09:50:37 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 12, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Your figure of 20 million is incorrect, its more around 40 million if you take into the consideration the amount of money we generate and donate to the weaker counties like Laois and towards paying managers 100k a year in Kildare. No doubt our money was used for the 8 million centre of excellence in Tyrone, sure we don't even have one of them (Yet). Id even say some of our money in even in the Mayo coffers, just google around there, 13 million or so, apparently they will make a bid for Bernard Brogan soon.
And it is embarrassing , we should have had 4 in a row already, the ref robbed us in the semi v Cork 2010 and the GAA didn't want us to win 2 in a row in 2012.
Anyway, please remember, every time you see Dublin play, its called Total football, one of the best teams ever to play the game. See you in the Wexford v Dublin thread.
Only €100k? We must be cutting back.
Kildare must be skint, county board can't even afford to pay for players dinners in Croker after the match the last day sure!
Brady's Ham provided a few post match sambos instead.
I ham going to look for further confirmation of this.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 12, 2014, 07:51:27 AM
Why did Morgan single out Cluxton? There where 3 other goalkeepers playing in croker on Sunday! It's up to Morgan and Tyrone to make sure the ball boys give him the ball quickly if he so desires!
I don't think he was singling out Cluxton at all, you Dubs are getting a bit sensitive!! The interesting point is he was told he couldn't have ball boys in Newry and Omagh, surely that is an incorrect directive as they are certainly allowed in CP and why in heaven would you prevent ball boys giving keepers a ball?
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
OK let me make it easier for you Heffo.
How many of the current Dublin senior squad have been given cars, petrol and often given cooked food at training sessions?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
OK let me make it easier for you Heffo.
How many of the current Dublin senior squad have been given cars, petrol and often given cooked food at training sessions?
What do you want, raw meat to be thrown to them - animals!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
OK let me make it easier for you Heffo.
How many of the current Dublin senior squad have been given cars, petrol and often given cooked food at training sessions?
I'll make it easier for you.
ALL of the current Hurling and Football panels do not get free cars and none get free petrol.
I'm not going to dignify the cooked food question with an answer. I'd say the bloody Monaghan hurlers get cooked food at training
They get free cars and fuel paid for. I think Fuzzman was refering to cooked meals givin to take home with them, not the meal they get after training.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 12, 2014, 02:40:18 PM
They get free cars and fuel paid for. I think Fuzzman was refering to cooked meals givin to take home with them, not the meal they get after training.
Yes and they get reach arounds off Colm Parkinson too...................... ::)
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
OK let me make it easier for you Heffo.
How many of the current Dublin senior squad have been given cars, petrol and often given cooked food at training sessions?
I'll make it easier for you.
ALL of the current Hurling and Football panels do not get free cars and none get free petrol.
I'm not going to dignify the cooked food question with an answer. I'd say the bloody Monaghan hurlers get cooked food at training
I reckon Fuzzman is talking about Dublin panel members supposedly getting food(sweet potato, chicken breast ect) to take away with them to eat in between sessions, rather than post session meal which is fairly standard across the board.
Think it's a pretty good idea if it is being done to be honest, diet is key to correct conditioning and can see Dubs are in serious shape. On the otherhand, if not true...no harm having these stories out if they are to spook opposing teams. Win win if you ask me!
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 12, 2014, 02:49:04 PM
Yes and they get reach arounds off Colm Parkinson too...................... ::)
You seem to have an obsession with Parkinson, you come across as a creepy stalker. Hopefully newstalk have good security.
Free cars and petrol. Bejebus its well for them.
Sure they may as well take it if they are given it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
You sound like a Kerry man looking down ones nose at someone, Can you tell me of any other county that don't provide some beverages and food after training etc ????
Cars, petrol and food for the week Squire.....
That's different to petrol expenses and a bit of dinner after training which is what most county lads get I believe
Of course if they can afford to do that then that's great but all I'm saying is there's some difference to what some counties can provide for their players.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Probably came in handy last September . No need to keep asking the boss for time off to celebrate the AI win. :D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
Cars, petrol and food for the week Squire.....
That's different to petrol expenses and a bit of dinner after training which is what most county lads get I believe
Of course if they can afford to do that then that's great but all I'm saying is there's some difference to what some counties can provide for their players.
And what worked for tyrone in their golden era, bar the talent what got them over the edge ........................the tuna rolls or something else ???
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Similar to Conor Mort perhaps......................about 25 years in DCU doing a thesis ::)
I call bull on the cooked meals. It is obvious that they are not getting fed at all. They are so hungry they have to resort to taking bites out of the opposition's players.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
I call bull on the cooked meals. It is obvious that they are not getting fed at all. They are so hungry they have to resort to taking bites out of the opposition's players.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good one Donnelllys
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 12, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Similar to Conor Mort perhaps......................about 25 years in DCU doing a thesis ::)
Thats totally unfair, it was 400 words ffs
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
a bit like the Mayo forward line :P
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 12, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 12, 2014, 02:49:04 PM
Yes and they get reach arounds off Colm Parkinson too...................... ::)
You seem to have an obsession with Parkinson, you come across as a creepy stalker. Hopefully newstalk have good security.
says the lad who wets his pants talking about the Dubs 8)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 12, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Similar to Conor Mort perhaps......................about 25 years in DCU doing a thesis ::)
in fairness he put a lot of hard work into dying his hair and tattoos
;D The Dubs are doing a Bertie again. Deflecting. That they can't dispute or argue with any of the issues raised sends a clear message. They are aware that they're competing against every other county on an unequal footing but they don't care. The Dubs and their county board have a huge sense of entitlement, they see themselves as being above the rest of the country. They even wanted to be treated as a province on their own.
It's up to the rest of us to put a halt to this way of thinking. We are all equal in this amateur organisation, one county cannot be given special treatment, one county cannot receive huge financial assistance while others suffer. End the greed of Dubl$n GAA and HQ, put Gaelic Games before money.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 13, 2014, 02:50:09 PM
;D The Dubs are doing a Bertie again. Deflecting. That they can't dispute or argue with any of the issues raised sends a clear message. They are aware that they're competing against every other county on an unequal footing but they don't care. The Dubs and their county board have a huge sense of entitlement, they see themselves as being above the rest of the country. They even wanted to be treated as a province on their own.
It's up to the rest of us to put a halt to this way of thinking. We are all equal in this amateur organisation, one county cannot be given special treatment, one county cannot receive huge financial assistance while others suffer. End the greed of Dubl$n GAA and HQ, put Gaelic Games before money.
how would you go about doing this?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 12, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 12, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 12, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Squire all I'm doing is trying to highlight to some of you Dub fans as well as the rest of the country what is ACTUALLY happening.
Of course some of it is just OTT talk but a lot of it is true and just cos some of ye dismiss it with a quick "ah yes and then get free Ryanair flights too" comments doesn't wash with most of us.
I've heard from several sources about the cars and petrol now and of course I didn't mean one cooked meal after training. I mean carefully planned food to eat at home etc and everyone as their own diet plan I would suspect.
This really is professional sport behaviour and is a massive change from the ways GAA is in most counties would you not agree.
The days of lads having to do a hard days work and then go and train and play on a Sunday is long gone.
Of course ye don't like hearing this been discussed lads but I'd say there are loads of REAL Dublin fans like Squire who don't know the full story and what a player has done in the week before a game.
So how can you tell his Heffo? How many times do they train a week now both collectively and on their own?
This is the Dubs we're talking about, wont know a hard days work if it hit them in the face
Similar to Conor Mort perhaps......................about 25 years in DCU doing a thesis ::)
in fairness he put a lot of hard work into dying his hair and tattoos
And don't forget his home made T-shirts (Micheal Jackson).
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
first off - soon after McGuinnes made the point about the employment problem within the squad they all got sorted with jobs and good look to them!
Your claim about players returning from Australia (I presume you mean Kilkenny) is bordering on scurrilous, Tipperary went on a two day bender the other week, it's a long time since a Dublin squad has been noted to being on the lash, the dubs have raised the bar as regards approach and more importantly commitment to training and looking after themselves, I don't know what good they get and who pays for it! A pretty petty argument IMO,
Fact of the matter, this is a once in a lifetime very talented squad of players and their fitness is matched by counties such as Mayos ,Corks and Tyrone's and Kerry's of this world.
And don't forget all the dubs are either in full employment or college so professionals they are not, committed talented and all round top class ambassadors they certainly are !
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
You're either taking the piss or a complete WUM. Why anyone from Dublin would entertain or try and debate this rubbish with you is beyond me.
Dont matter - the dubs must have done something to you in a past life to be that bitter against them
He's the only Laoisman of note not to get a contract from Parnells club!
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
But as they get better this will be a slight advantage though partially not their fault as leinster counties vote to allow this to happen.
Not sure if all home league games were in croker , used to be in parnel pk, but again the opposition would prob want to play in croke park for their own familiarisation!
the only way we can get around this is to build new provincial stadia to play all provincial championship matches - like the aussie rules have - if I am right, they play in shared stadia - the big ones around Australia?
To be honest, its not a runner either.
If the GAA are to spend money, its money for smaller stand covered artificial grass pitches in each county so that club and underage games can be played in winter.
The issue here is that Dublin is the capital. its where the biggest population s, its where most if not all the work is. Its a small enough county geographically so easier distances to commute- and even with traffic jams, there are trains, luas and busses to help!
GAA loving businessmen will give work to young GAA stars, because there is work.
All this is much easier than any county outside of Dublin.
Maybe Dublin have hit a patch of great players and this wont turn into domination.
if however it does, it wont be a case of 'the dubs wont allow a split' - the rest of the 31 counties will vote for it.
there wont be a combination of meath/Westmeath, Kildare/Wicklow etc - that would fly in the face of the GAA, there wont be amalagmations at intercounty level - so the only obvious way to go will be to divide Dublin into 2 or 3.
There is enough of a population and GAA clubs in Dublin to do this - and I emphasise - SHOULD the need arise.
The precedent has already been set with Fingal doing quite well in the hurling competitions already.
but there is too much hysteria about this right now. Some guys should learn to take their beating (though some of us are used to this in annual championship seasons anyway!!).
a lot of hypocricy here about professional Dublin players when it has been the country boys (me being one of them- though I refused the offers) who have been paid to play in Dublin clubs from 20 years ago up until now (cough parnells cough) while home grown players got nothing!
I think the Dubs can be beaten. If McCauley gets inj, Dub are like tryone at midfield ...weak enough!!
but its great to beat them on the field of play. always was!!
:D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Why would they not offer them something to stay rather than let them go and offer them to come back??
So if you're a good player in donegal you're out of there?? Does that mean they've no good players??
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
But as they get better this will be a slight advantage though partially not their fault as leinster counties vote to allow this to happen.
Not sure if all home league games were in croker , used to be in parnel pk, but again the opposition would prob want to play in croke park for their own familiarisation!
the only way we can get around this is to build new provincial stadia to play all provincial championship matches - like the aussie rules have - if I am right, they play in shared stadia - the big ones around Australia?
To be honest, its not a runner either.
If the GAA are to spend money, its money for smaller stand covered artificial grass pitches in each county so that club and underage games can be played in winter.
The issue here is that Dublin is the capital. its where the biggest population s, its where most if not all the work is. Its a small enough county geographically so easier distances to commute- and even with traffic jams, there are trains, luas and busses to help!
GAA loving businessmen will give work to young GAA stars, because there is work.
All this is much easier than any county outside of Dublin.
Maybe Dublin have hit a patch of great players and this wont turn into domination.
if however it does, it wont be a case of 'the dubs wont allow a split' - the rest of the 31 counties will vote for it.
there wont be a combination of meath/Westmeath, Kildare/Wicklow etc - that would fly in the face of the GAA, there wont be amalagmations at intercounty level - so the only obvious way to go will be to divide Dublin into 2 or 3.
There is enough of a population and GAA clubs in Dublin to do this - and I emphasise - SHOULD the need arise.
The precedent has already been set with Fingal doing quite well in the hurling competitions already.
but there is too much hysteria about this right now. Some guys should learn to take their beating (though some of us are used to this in annual championship seasons anyway!!).
a lot of hypocricy here about professional Dublin players when it has been the country boys (me being one of them- though I refused the offers) who have been paid to play in Dublin clubs from 20 years ago up until now (cough parnells cough) while home grown players got nothing!
I think the Dubs can be beaten. If McCauley gets inj, Dub are like tryone at midfield ...weak enough!!
but its great to beat them on the field of play. always was!!
:D
So you're basis for splitting Dublin is domination of the game. Ah right! So with that logic Kilkenny will be split into 3/4 teams, Kerry into 2/3. Mayo have dominated Connacht so they might be in this bracket too. Going forward Cork have more clubs than Dublin so they should probably be split too before they start dominating or maybe because they were dominant before and we don't want dominant teams it appears.
FFS what a load of bollox! What would happen if two of the split teams ended up against each other in the final. Split them into 6/8 teams??
You're a funny man among many funny people on this site! ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 12, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 11, 2014, 07:45:29 PM
They went on a warm weather break - same one Donegal were on in April. They all took annual leave from the work.
Do you just make the crap about all getting free cars and petrol up?
OK let me make it easier for you Heffo.
How many of the current Dublin senior squad have been given cars, petrol and often given cooked food at training sessions?
Cooked food? Who doesn't get cooked food?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
If we played Laois in the car-park of O Moore Park the result would still be the same.
What a load of poppycock being talked here. Its like saying Brazil should be split in two because they have a population of 200,000 million.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 14, 2014, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
If we played Laois in the car-park of O Moore Park the result would still be the same.
Your fans would have a field day robbing the car radios.
Quote from: laoislad on June 14, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 14, 2014, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
If we played Laois in the car-park of O Moore Park the result would still be the same.
Your fans would have a field day robbing the car radios.
Market is down too many junkies in Portlaoise have them robbed before we could get near them!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
Every player wants to play in croke park
were you not a player- or were you just a rubbish one?
It is a very marginal advantage, no more than that. but adding up all the advantages the Dublin lads certainly have an advantage - playing more in croker is a slight one-
esp when its against teams (Donegal, mayo cork etc) who are used to playing there often enough (where any advantage is gone)
so have you nothing more to add rather than just a personal infantile crusade against me?
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on June 14, 2014, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
But as they get better this will be a slight advantage though partially not their fault as leinster counties vote to allow this to happen.
Not sure if all home league games were in croker , used to be in parnel pk, but again the opposition would prob want to play in croke park for their own familiarisation!
the only way we can get around this is to build new provincial stadia to play all provincial championship matches - like the aussie rules have - if I am right, they play in shared stadia - the big ones around Australia?
To be honest, its not a runner either.
If the GAA are to spend money, its money for smaller stand covered artificial grass pitches in each county so that club and underage games can be played in winter.
The issue here is that Dublin is the capital. its where the biggest population s, its where most if not all the work is. Its a small enough county geographically so easier distances to commute- and even with traffic jams, there are trains, luas and busses to help!
GAA loving businessmen will give work to young GAA stars, because there is work.
All this is much easier than any county outside of Dublin.
Maybe Dublin have hit a patch of great players and this wont turn into domination.
if however it does, it wont be a case of 'the dubs wont allow a split' - the rest of the 31 counties will vote for it.
there wont be a combination of meath/Westmeath, Kildare/Wicklow etc - that would fly in the face of the GAA, there wont be amalagmations at intercounty level - so the only obvious way to go will be to divide Dublin into 2 or 3.
There is enough of a population and GAA clubs in Dublin to do this - and I emphasise - SHOULD the need arise.
The precedent has already been set with Fingal doing quite well in the hurling competitions already.
but there is too much hysteria about this right now. Some guys should learn to take their beating (though some of us are used to this in annual championship seasons anyway!!).
a lot of hypocricy here about professional Dublin players when it has been the country boys (me being one of them- though I refused the offers) who have been paid to play in Dublin clubs from 20 years ago up until now (cough parnells cough) while home grown players got nothing!
I think the Dubs can be beaten. If McCauley gets inj, Dub are like tryone at midfield ...weak enough!!
but its great to beat them on the field of play. always was!!
:D
So you're basis for splitting Dublin is domination of the game. Ah right! So with that logic Kilkenny will be split into 3/4 teams, Kerry into 2/3. Mayo have dominated Connacht so they might be in this bracket too. Going forward Cork have more clubs than Dublin so they should probably be split too before they start dominating or maybe because they were dominant before and we don't want dominant teams it appears.
FFS what a load of bollox! What would happen if two of the split teams ended up against each other in the final. Split them into 6/8 teams??
You're a funny man among many funny people on this site! ;D
not funny at all (though give me a few pints and a group of good lads and im as good a craic as most!)
I did say IF Dublin dominated...
but the rest is my opinion.
Kilkenny and Kerry dominated but were beatable
Dublin are like that right now, but given population and the financial (off field work opportunities etc) that Dublin have then in the future there could be merit in splitting the county.
lets be honest, how else could you make a more level playing field than that.
The comparison that cork have more clubs is ludicrous.
So what if they do.
I sincerely doubt they have the amount of players Dublin clubs have.
I know our own club in Dublin were fielding over 50 teams in all codes, age groups and genders 10 years ago.
not sure what it is now. But no clubs in the country outside of Dublin can compete with that.
IMO there are too many players competing for positions in Dublin. The u21 midfielder of a few years ago is now 24 and 'too old' and was usurped on the Dublin panel by younger (better) players. A lad like that would be starring in over half of the other counties.
If it happens, embrace change, it wont be as bad as you think.
Croke park was opened up to soccer and rugby and no one died. (ok apart from slightly temp financially benefitting the organisation it did feck all for us). But you see what I mean.
IF is what I say, but it would still be a long way off.
so calm down.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on June 14, 2014, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
But as they get better this will be a slight advantage though partially not their fault as leinster counties vote to allow this to happen.
Not sure if all home league games were in croker , used to be in parnel pk, but again the opposition would prob want to play in croke park for their own familiarisation!
the only way we can get around this is to build new provincial stadia to play all provincial championship matches - like the aussie rules have - if I am right, they play in shared stadia - the big ones around Australia?
To be honest, its not a runner either.
If the GAA are to spend money, its money for smaller stand covered artificial grass pitches in each county so that club and underage games can be played in winter.
The issue here is that Dublin is the capital. its where the biggest population s, its where most if not all the work is. Its a small enough county geographically so easier distances to commute- and even with traffic jams, there are trains, luas and busses to help!
GAA loving businessmen will give work to young GAA stars, because there is work.
All this is much easier than any county outside of Dublin.
Maybe Dublin have hit a patch of great players and this wont turn into domination.
if however it does, it wont be a case of 'the dubs wont allow a split' - the rest of the 31 counties will vote for it.
there wont be a combination of meath/Westmeath, Kildare/Wicklow etc - that would fly in the face of the GAA, there wont be amalagmations at intercounty level - so the only obvious way to go will be to divide Dublin into 2 or 3.
There is enough of a population and GAA clubs in Dublin to do this - and I emphasise - SHOULD the need arise.
The precedent has already been set with Fingal doing quite well in the hurling competitions already.
but there is too much hysteria about this right now. Some guys should learn to take their beating (though some of us are used to this in annual championship seasons anyway!!).
a lot of hypocricy here about professional Dublin players when it has been the country boys (me being one of them- though I refused the offers) who have been paid to play in Dublin clubs from 20 years ago up until now (cough parnells cough) while home grown players got nothing!
I think the Dubs can be beaten. If McCauley gets inj, Dub are like tryone at midfield ...weak enough!!
but its great to beat them on the field of play. always was!!
:D
So you're basis for splitting Dublin is domination of the game. Ah right! So with that logic Kilkenny will be split into 3/4 teams, Kerry into 2/3. Mayo have dominated Connacht so they might be in this bracket too. Going forward Cork have more clubs than Dublin so they should probably be split too before they start dominating or maybe because they were dominant before and we don't want dominant teams it appears.
FFS what a load of bollox! What would happen if two of the split teams ended up against each other in the final. Split them into 6/8 teams??
You're a funny man among many funny people on this site! ;D
not funny at all (though give me a few pints and a group of good lads and im as good a craic as most!)
I did say IF Dublin dominated...
but the rest is my opinion.
Kilkenny and Kerry dominated but were beatable
Dublin are like that right now, but given population and the financial (off field work opportunities etc) that Dublin have then in the future there could be merit in splitting the county.
lets be honest, how else could you make a more level playing field than that.
The comparison that cork have more clubs is ludicrous.
So what if they do.
I sincerely doubt they have the amount of players Dublin clubs have.
I know our own club in Dublin were fielding over 50 teams in all codes, age groups and genders 10 years ago.
not sure what it is now. But no clubs in the country outside of Dublin can compete with that.
IMO there are too many players competing for positions in Dublin. The u21 midfielder of a few years ago is now 24 and 'too old' and was usurped on the Dublin panel by younger (better) players. A lad like that would be starring in over half of the other counties.
If it happens, embrace change, it wont be as bad as you think.
Croke park was opened up to soccer and rugby and no one died. (ok apart from slightly temp financially benefitting the organisation it did feck all for us). But you see what I mean.
IF is what I say, but it would still be a long way off.
so calm down.
if it ever happens you can say goodbye to the big support currently attached to the Dublin footballers
If Dublin Gaa is split the amount off Dublin fans that will walk away from the game will be phenomenal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dublin won't be split, nor should it but Dub fans need to be a bit less sensitive. Debating the merits of splitting a county with a population of over a million is a valid discussion.
Sorry, I was misreading all that.
We used to make a Summer out of splitting Dubs.
And, with a little luck, we will again, sometime.
Quote from: Zulu on June 15, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
Dublin won't be split, nor should it but Dub fans need to be a bit less sensitive. Debating the merits of splitting a county with a population of over a million is a valid discussion.
Indeed it should be discussed, the problem is when you have a handful of trolls starting 5/6 threads on the topic and every Dublin thread being taken over by it.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 15, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
If Dublin Gaa is split the amount off Dublin fans that will walk away from the game will be phenomenal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so
But the 'big' Dublin support was missing before pat gilroys tenure , then markedly absent in 2011 IMO - so the dubs like most fans have a hard core support with a majority of fair weather fans that come out to support a winning team.
If a split ever happened then a winning team would have to come about to create a fan base!
Dublins split teams given close proximity to large populations of fans stand a better chance of doing this than anyone else!
Esp given the rise in interest in sports and GAA in particular and being aimed at kids and families ( ticket prices for these need to be kept v low).
Any possible split is a long way off lads!
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
how much are Tyrone County Board paying Niall Morgan to cancel his contract with Dungannon Swifts?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 15, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 15, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
If Dublin Gaa is split the amount off Dublin fans that will walk away from the game will be phenomenal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so
But the 'big' Dublin support was missing before pat gilroys tenure , then markedly absent in 2011 IMO - so the dubs like most fans have a hard core support with a majority of fair weather fans that come out to support a winning team.
If a split ever happened then a winning team would have to come about to create a fan base!
Dublins split teams given close proximity to large populations of fans stand a better chance of doing this than anyone else!
Esp given the rise in interest in sports and GAA in particular and being aimed at kids and families ( ticket prices for these need to be kept v low).
Any possible split is a long way off lads!
again another post sidestepping the facts, during the noughties Dublin regularly filled croker during Tommy Lyons and Paul Caffereys reigns, Dublin have been well supported regardless of success since the 70s, that will all go if the county were to be split.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
Every player wants to play in croke park
were you not a player- or were you just a rubbish one?
It is a very marginal advantage, no more than that. but adding up all the advantages the Dublin lads certainly have an advantage - playing more in croker is a slight one- esp when its against teams (Donegal, mayo cork etc) who are used to playing there often enough (where any advantage is gone)
so have you nothing more to add rather than just a personal infantile crusade against me?
Nothing more to add. I agree with you that Dublin have an advantage of playing all important games at home. This advantage is a slight one against teams (Donegal, mayo cork etc) who are used to playing there often enough (if you call once or twice a year and maybe three times often). But the advantage against the rest is huge!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 14, 2014, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 14, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
up until recently I didn't consider croker being a massive benefit to Dublin.
That's a good one! Changed your mind have you? Awoken from your slumber? Sure we all love playing in Croker! What advantage could a team have playing every important game in intercounty football at home? ;D
Every player wants to play in croke park
were you not a player- or were you just a rubbish one?
It is a very marginal advantage, no more than that. but adding up all the advantages the Dublin lads certainly have an advantage - playing more in croker is a slight one- esp when its against teams (Donegal, mayo cork etc) who are used to playing there often enough (where any advantage is gone)
so have you nothing more to add rather than just a personal infantile crusade against me?
Nothing more to add. I agree with you that Dublin have an advantage of playing all important games at home. This advantage is a slight one against teams (Donegal, mayo cork etc) who are used to playing there often enough (if you call once or twice a year and maybe three times often). But the advantage against the rest is huge!
if it's so big why did Wexford give up home advantage a couple of years ago and opt instead to play in croker?
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 15, 2014, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 15, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 15, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
If Dublin Gaa is split the amount off Dublin fans that will walk away from the game will be phenomenal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so
But the 'big' Dublin support was missing before pat gilroys tenure , then markedly absent in 2011 IMO - so the dubs like most fans have a hard core support with a majority of fair weather fans that come out to support a winning team.
If a split ever happened then a winning team would have to come about to create a fan base!
Dublins split teams given close proximity to large populations of fans stand a better chance of doing this than anyone else!
Esp given the rise in interest in sports and GAA in particular and being aimed at kids and families ( ticket prices for these need to be kept v low).
Any possible split is a long way off lads!
again another post sidestepping the facts, during the noughties Dublin regularly filled croker during Tommy Lyons and Paul Caffereys reigns, Dublin have been well supported regardless of success since the 70s, that will all go if the county were to be split.
Nope
I attend a lot if not most of these games and when all is going well or it's nearing the culmination of the season , croker is fuller and it can be harder to get tickets.
Some seasons in past 6 years the crowds have been sparse enough for me to recall wondering where the fecking fans have all gone.
I don't have stats and no axe to grind here either way but my eyes are decent!
If anything I was disappointed in the lower attendance as I want football to consume the passions and be the priority sport for Dublin kids and denizens!
Peaks and troughs I suppose, and the fickle nature of people and fans in general!
Don't get your knickers in a twist!! It's just a personal observation!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 15, 2014, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 15, 2014, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 15, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on June 15, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
If Dublin Gaa is split the amount off Dublin fans that will walk away from the game will be phenomenal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe so
But the 'big' Dublin support was missing before pat gilroys tenure , then markedly absent in 2011 IMO - so the dubs like most fans have a hard core support with a majority of fair weather fans that come out to support a winning team.
If a split ever happened then a winning team would have to come about to create a fan base!
Dublins split teams given close proximity to large populations of fans stand a better chance of doing this than anyone else!
Esp given the rise in interest in sports and GAA in particular and being aimed at kids and families ( ticket prices for these need to be kept v low).
Any possible split is a long way off lads!
again another post sidestepping the facts, during the noughties Dublin regularly filled croker during Tommy Lyons and Paul Caffereys reigns, Dublin have been well supported regardless of success since the 70s, that will all go if the county were to be split.
Nope
I attend a lot if not most of these games and when all is going well or it's nearing the culmination of the season , croker is fuller and it can be harder to get tickets.
Some seasons in past 6 years the crowds have been sparse enough for me to recall wondering where the fecking fans have all gone.
I don't have stats and no axe to grind here either way but my eyes are decent!
If anything I was disappointed in the lower attendance as I want football to consume the passions and be the priority sport for Dublin kids and denizens!
Peaks and troughs I suppose, and the fickle nature of people and fans in general!
Don't get your knickers in a twist!! It's just a personal observation!
I'm not wearing any!
Point being a split of Dublin and it's bye bye to big crowds.
Not sure that's true but the GAA won't cook it's golden goose and nor should it.
Keep saying it , if the traditional intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.
Be careful what you wish for guys.
Quote from: Canalman on June 15, 2014, 10:38:19 PM
Keep saying it , if the traditional intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.
Be careful what you wish for guys.
IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!
By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!
A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 16, 2014, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: Canalman on June 15, 2014, 10:38:19 PM
Keep saying it , if the traditional intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.
Be careful what you wish for guys.
IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!
By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!
A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!
But surely if a team gets dominant, it shouldn't be handicapped in some way. It happens in all sports at different eras. Imagine if they gave the Kilekenny team weights to carry in their socks to even out the hurling. Of course not, folk just begrudgingly admired them. We hoped one day they'd decline a little and others improved a little. Eventually it happened.
Anyway. If a team is going to be dominant. Then lets hope they play a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Why would we tell you, every player gets yearly grants for travelling etc?
Any chance we can have a lend of that 8 million development centre as I heard its magnificent and even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it.
But seriously lads, its time to move. We can continue all the sour grapes in the wexford thread, then the leinster final thread if we win and every other thread about Dublin this year.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Any chance we can have a lend of that 8 million development centre as I heard its magnificent and even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it.
£8m Development centre? Sure how can the rest of us compete with that??
Quote from: heffo on June 16, 2014, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Any chance we can have a lend of that 8 million development centre as I heard its magnificent and even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it.
£8m Development centre? Sure how can the rest of us compete with that??
Time to split Tyrone I think is the only solution.
Quote from: heffo on June 16, 2014, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Any chance we can have a lend of that 8 million development centre as I heard its magnificent and even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it.
£8m Development centre? Sure how can the rest of us compete with that??
Sure aren't the GAA building Dublin their own one?
http://leovaradkar.ie/2013/06/plan-for-e9m-national-gaa-training-centre-a-major-step-for-blanchardstown-varadkar/ (http://leovaradkar.ie/2013/06/plan-for-e9m-national-gaa-training-centre-a-major-step-for-blanchardstown-varadkar/)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2014, 02:09:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 16, 2014, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 13, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Johnnybegood, do you know how often they are training per week?
Do you know anything about the cars & the food or is it all hush hush
I think it's interesting that the two young lads who went to Australia didn't stay too long. I wonder were they made an offer they couldn't refuse whereas like Jim McGuinness said in Donegal there's no work or much money about so if you're a good player you're outta there. Either gone to soccer or Aussie Rules.
Do any of ye NON Dubs know many in the Dublin squad at the moment?
Any chance we can have a lend of that 8 million development centre as I heard its magnificent and even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it.
£8m Development centre? Sure how can the rest of us compete with that??
Sure aren't the GAA building Dublin their own one?
http://leovaradkar.ie/2013/06/plan-for-e9m-national-gaa-training-centre-a-major-step-for-blanchardstown-varadkar/ (http://leovaradkar.ie/2013/06/plan-for-e9m-national-gaa-training-centre-a-major-step-for-blanchardstown-varadkar/)
Sure we have to compete with Tyrone ;)
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
Did the Tyrone Fan Club thing contribute a pile of cash to that? By the way, I wouldn't use the word 'Even' in the sentence "even Offaly's Niall McNamee said he was embarrassed for his own county seeing it. "
Poor auld Nialler would be embarrassed for his own county's facilities if Tyrone had had 4 tyres hanging out of an old swing set and calling it a training base.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.
All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.
Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads.
Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.
All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.
Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads.
Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.
You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.
I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.
Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.
All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.
Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads.
Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.
You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.
I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.
Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...
Please contact the culchies who run the GAA and make the decisions, and we will just concentrate on winning matches. Thanks. Please note that fans on a GAA forum do nto make decisions on such matters.
Here you go - http://www.gaa.ie/contact-gaa/
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html
Please enjoy watching Total football from one of the best teams to ever play the game, Dublin, for the rest of the year.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.
All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.
Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads.
Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.
You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.
I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.
Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...
Please contact the culchies who run the GAA and make the decisions, and we will just concentrate on winning matches. Thanks. Please note that fans on a GAA forum do nto make decisions on such matters.
Here you go - http://www.gaa.ie/contact-gaa/
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html
Please enjoy watching Total football from one of the best teams to ever play the game, Dublin, for the rest of the year.
If it wasn't for the culchie input, your club (I'm assuming Crokes) wouldnt be half the club they are.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 16, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: sheamy on June 16, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on June 16, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
A few Years down the line before its up and running. DCB contributing 2 million Euro of its own money ( no more petrol money for the lads for a few years), the GAA paying the rest, and we are letting all other Leinster counties and visiting counties use it because we are that nice :P
The 2 million is not Dublin's own money. It was money given them by central GAA towards a site in Rathcoole. In effect, Dublin GAA are getting this for nothing.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Sure we don't need it, we are winning without the help from a performance centre.
All other teams can use it too, its not just for Dublin, they will use it but we have good facilities in UCD,DCU, davids, Swimming in blanch. Under Gilroy they trained in the snow on Partmarnock beach etc.
Cork getting a redevelopment of a stadium, Jesus split them, Casement park, time for a split lads.
Someone please start up the Wexford v Dublin match thread for the love of Devine Christ.
You can rant all you want but the fact remains that Dublin will get this facility for nothing whilst other counties put millions of their own cash into theirs.
I didn't mention splits and what provincial stadia have to do with the conversation is beyond me.
Time to split Antrim! Oh wait...
Please contact the culchies who run the GAA and make the decisions, and we will just concentrate on winning matches. Thanks. Please note that fans on a GAA forum do nto make decisions on such matters.
Here you go - http://www.gaa.ie/contact-gaa/
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html
Please enjoy watching Total football from one of the best teams to ever play the game, Dublin, for the rest of the year.
If it wasn't for the culchie input, your club (I'm assuming Crokes) wouldnt be half the club they are.
I'm not Crokes and I was talking about the hierarchy at GAA headquarters, not at club level were you are correct about the input at all clubs in Dublin.
;D The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 16, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
;D The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.
i for one take great enjoyment watching Dublin win in a fairly mesmerically brilliant manner!
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 16, 2014, 06:13:35 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 16, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
;D The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.
i for one take great enjoyment watching Dublin win in a fairly mesmerically brilliant manner!
I do too. I do also enjoy the time in between our matches listening to all this jealous, small minded, anti Dublin horseshit! The more we win and the better we play the more enjoyable it is in perverse way as fcukwits such as Don't Matter spend even more of their miserable lives spouting nonsensical drivel about the super Dubs! ;D ;D
Even just two days ago enjoyed very much watching our hurlers make their way emphatically to another Leinster final. In fact I just enjoy being a Dub these days! Happy days!
Up de Dubs!! ;D
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 16, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
;D The Dubs are getting hysterical. They know the games up. They know the only reason they have had huge success in the recent past is because of money. Unprecedented underage success in both codes followed on by massive improvements in their senior teams.
That's what millions upon millions of euro does for you. Buying titles in an amateur sport, it's sad that the Dubs had to stoop that low given the advantages they already had. Now that they have though, what other option is left but to split them?
We can hardly let them continue on buying their players cars, paying World and Olympic champion boxers to hang out with them, paying for huge backroom staff in both codes, paying for the best coaches and trainers for all age groups etc etc while the rest of the country are living on scraps.
Can any of the Dubs tell me what fun is there in winning titles when you haven't done it fairly? Would it not be more satisfying to win with honour? Lets just end the farce, let every team compete on an equal footing.
.... The best Laois mercenaries money can buy eh ?
;)
Money isn't behind dublins success
You could throw the euro millions jackpot at Derry and we would still get beaten by an average side most days
Dublin have massive playing population and now are organising things to maximise their potential
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on June 16, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 16, 2014, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: Canalman on June 15, 2014, 10:38:19 PM
Keep saying it , if the traditional intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.
Be careful what you wish for guys.
IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!
By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!
A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!
But surely if a team gets dominant, it shouldn't be handicapped in some way. It happens in all sports at different eras. Imagine if they gave the Kilekenny team weights to carry in their socks to even out the hurling. Of course not, folk just begrudgingly admired them. We hoped one day they'd decline a little and others improved a little. Eventually it happened.
Anyway. If a team is going to be dominant. Then lets hope they play a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye.
IMO domination for a few years is one thing - like Kilkenny and Kerry etc
But should Dublin go on to be a complete one horse race in football for a decade or so then changes will be made
No matter how pleasing the methods they employ, a one horse race would ensure all fans lose interest in the game let alone opposition fans
As the GAA is mostly or democratically culchie , the dubs would be outvoted rightly or wrongly
But, Dublin have a long way to go before they are dominating football.
They have yet to do two in a row let alone 5 in a row.
Lose b brogan and/or McCauley and they would struggle a wee bit IMO
Will be an interesting season as ever!
Seriously lads, Dublin domination is a long way off. If Mayo had had their shooting boots on for the first 20 minutes of last year's final, they could have been out of sight. Add to that Dublin basically stumbling into the league semi-final, and you get an idea of the slim margins involved here. Dublin have been the best side in the country over the past 18 months, but not much has to go wrong for someone else to take over that mantle.
Not that I'm hoping that happens, now.
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutual respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask for Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
The dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in the back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 16, 2014, 11:51:07 PM
Quote from: Thisonegoesto11 on June 16, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 16, 2014, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: Canalman on June 15, 2014, 10:38:19 PM
Keep saying it , if the traditional intercounty structure is broken up by splitting up Dublin then county mergers will be next.
Laois/Carlow v Fingal in the 1st round of the LSFC. Sligo/Leitrim v Galway in CFC.
Be careful what you wish for guys.
IMO if it was to happen (splitting Dublin) , it would be to STOP intercounty mergers happening rather than enabling them!
Again it is only in the event of Dublin dominance!
By the way - big crowds at games would soon be a thing of the past if one team was to completely dominate. It is in the interest of the game and fans/supporters to keep it competitive!
A competitive championship ( and reasonable ticket prices) will draw big crowds as will entertaining high scoring spectacles!
But surely if a team gets dominant, it shouldn't be handicapped in some way. It happens in all sports at different eras. Imagine if they gave the Kilekenny team weights to carry in their socks to even out the hurling. Of course not, folk just begrudgingly admired them. We hoped one day they'd decline a little and others improved a little. Eventually it happened.
Anyway. If a team is going to be dominant. Then lets hope they play a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye.
IMO domination for a few years is one thing - like Kilkenny and Kerry etc
But should Dublin go on to be a complete one horse race in football for a decade or so then changes will be made
No matter how pleasing the methods they employ, a one horse race would ensure all fans lose interest in the game let alone opposition fans
As the GAA is mostly or democratically culchie , the dubs would be outvoted rightly or wrongly
But, Dublin have a long way to go before they are dominating football.
They have yet to do two in a row let alone 5 in a row.
Lose b brogan and/or McCauley and they would struggle a wee bit IMO
Will be an interesting season as ever!
Dubs have won 2 AIs in 3 years. Likely they will win at least another one in the next couple of years. Won't be domination but success. There is an onus on other teams to improve. New teams emerge all the time. Again some decline while others improve.
Dublin have to strike while the iron's hot. Before we know it , we'll be saying a reluctant farewell to Clucko and the Brogans. Massive players to replace. Kerry lost too many good players over a short period of time which ended their success.They may need to wait another cycle to get back to the top. Challenge for Dublin is to maintain the success when bringing in new players in the years ahead. Not as easy as some of the hysteria suggests.
Just for those who don't know or are avoiding the truth, here's a table and list I've done before which show the link between money pumped into Dubl$n GAA and the huge increase in Provincial and All Ireland championships won:
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Dubl$n's Bought Titles:
Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014
Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011
U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014
Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011
Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012
Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
No Lynchboy, in the year's Don't Matter is quoting there was money pumped in and instead of the teams getting close to Dublin the money was sucked out through a hole in the floor of the county board offices and went missing. In 2009 €39,000 of ticket sales money went missing and the county board were in turmoil, half them resigned. County team selection was as close to a pint at the bar and the back of a cigarette box as you would get, outside managers brought in and they nearly ended up in the mental home from being pulled in all directions. I remember one year Ballinakill played in the county SH Final having won the U21 Final and yet had nobody on the county team.
That has all changed now and both codes have good managers. If the footballers perform well through the backdoor there is a lot to build on and the hurlers the same. A top six position in each code would be a start. Calculating what progress we can make based on what money anyone else gets would be the finish.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no, as Dubl$n already had a strongish base to build on. In hurling both sides were about even before the massive injection of cash. Can you imagine if Cork got all this money for example, they'd be mopping up all in front of them. The money is still flowing into Dubl$n GAA from public funds and money from OUR association, that's even after the massive sponsorship deal with aig.
All around the country clubs are struggling with lads emigrating etc and here we have the Dubs getting their players free cars, free fuel, meals cooked for the week for them, a World champion boxer telling them how to live the life etc etc. Why are people ok with this?
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
eh Uruguay reached the semi final of the 2010 world cup
Killkenny have shagg all of a population which doesn't seem to stop them winning all irelands. And likewise Kerry, underperforming counties such as Galway kildare Meath etc need to get their house in order, the bar has been raised by Dublin and its up whoever wants to join the party to sort their own affairs.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
(http://forums.scottishfootballforums.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-1826-0-53320600-1396881525.jpeg)
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 18, 2014, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
eh Uruguay reached the semi final of the 2010 world cup
Killkenny have shagg all of a population which doesn't seem to stop them winning all irelands. And likewise Kerry, underperforming counties such as Galway kildare Meath etc need to get their house in order, the bar has been raised by Dublin and its up whoever wants to join the party to sort their own affairs.
Ah look we are talking about winning here. Not moral victories are we not? Anyway it's keep up time. The penny has finally dropped for Dublin. They have been meandering in or around being a force for the last 25 years. Strong characters and the GAA taking on ''Foreign Codes'' in the Capital has set them with a great platform. The rest of us can only look on with envy (really). This is the beginning of the end of allot of the old way of the GAA.
What do mean 'the beginning of the old way of the GAA' ?
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no
Why not?
Don't understand your comment about strongish base - plenty of Laois senior clubs ( Arles, portlaoise) have been v competitive in Leinster this past decade
Quote from: Johnnybegood on June 18, 2014, 10:23:27 PM
What do mean 'the beginning of the old way of the GAA' ?
another excuse for Mayo failure to win a All-Ireland
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
Would you divide Mayo into 2 to give the rest of Connacht a chance as ye will win your 4th title in a row next month?
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no, as Dubl$n already had a strongish base to build on. In hurling both sides were about even before the massive injection of cash. Can you imagine if Cork got all this money for example, they'd be mopping up all in front of them. The money is still flowing into Dubl$n GAA from public funds and money from OUR association, that's even after the massive sponsorship deal with aig.
All around the country clubs are struggling with lads emigrating etc and here we have the Dubs getting their players free cars, free fuel, meals cooked for the week for them, a World champion boxer telling them how to live the life etc etc. Why are people ok with this?
What about the 200k a year ye were paying Micko?
plus he bought Billy Sheehan €€€ tried to poach Declan Quill,Declan Browne €€€
Laois beat Dublin for years at minor/u21 pity all the players turned into pissheads/junkies/money grabbers
most of Laois decent players transfers to Dublin clubs for money than play for their county €€€
Quote from: laoislad on June 18, 2014, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 18, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: BartSimpson on June 17, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: Bud Wiser on June 17, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
Back to the game and thread title. When the final whistle blew here I noticed a bit of mutisl respect among the players and along with the handshakes there were a few chats going on around the field.. That's what Laois need to earn more of and the only way they will do it is by putting in performances like Ross Munnelly and not by complaining. There was no calls to split Dublin into two teams for their hurlers a few years ago nor did Daly ask foe Kilkenny and Cork to be split, he embraced what they were doing and did it better - because the mutual respect his team have now earned allows him to engage with other counties where valuable challenge games are part of his plan.
HThe dedication and time that is put in by the Dublin hurlers is hard to comprehend and it has nothing to do with the size of the county or money, neither of which ever put a ball in ghe back of the net. Unless we want to go back to the days of playing in peaked caps we should be trying to copy the Dubs. Population didn't bother Uruguay who are as small as Ireland when they won the World Cup among many other achievements in the same competition but we have our hymn sheet up on its stand ready to sing "we are too small as a nation" as soon as a ball hits the net. Nobody is too small on this planet, weak from lack of motivation maybe but never too small.
That's a terrific post.
Lads ye are in cloud cuckoo land if you think money or population does not make a difference. The Uruguay example happened nearly 70 years ago! The days when Louth could think of winning an AI. These days are gone. Look at even Offaly who could punch above their weight in both codes. Not anymore! Dublin is a monster of a machine. It will become the Celtic of the GAA. Big home pitch, top players, big following, attractive to sponsorship deals. There will be no living with them. There will be a few counties who will huff and puff every couple of years. But the money and population are in the Capital and there is nothing that can be done but plough on. As tradition dictates Dublin can't be divided. And if it were, what are the grounds for mergers of other counties to bring them up to speed? So that's it there is no other alternative really.
(http://forums.scottishfootballforums.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-1826-0-53320600-1396881525.jpeg)
is that Dont matter wearing his Portlaoise jersey??
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 18, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no
Why not?
Don't understand your comment about strongish base - plenty of Laois senior clubs ( Arles, portlaoise) have been v competitive in Leinster this past decade
Portlaoise have had it ridiculously easy in the Laois championship recently. They have won 7 in a row and their best players like McCormack, Cahillane, Healy, Lillis and Rogers don't line out for the county team. I would have seen quite a few of the other Laois clubs in the last few years in challenge matches and their standard is generally poor enough. It's no surprise that there's a number of their county players plying their trade with Dublin superclubs despite Laois being within a commutable distance.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 18, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no
Why not?
Don't understand your comment about strongish base - plenty of Laois senior clubs ( Arles, portlaoise) have been v competitive in Leinster this past decade
I meant Dubl$n were already getting to plenty of quarter and semi finals, they weren't good enough to win one though until the millions of euro started taking effect and along came the long list of underage talent.
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
Would you divide Mayo into 2 to give the rest of Connacht a chance as ye will win your 4th title in a row next month?
Have Mayo been givin millions upon millions of euro from government and GAA funds?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:54:18 PM
What about the 200k a year ye were paying Micko?
plus he bought Billy Sheehan €€€ tried to poach Declan Quill,Declan Browne €€€
Laois beat Dublin for years at minor/u21 pity all the players turned into pissheads/junkies/money grabbers
most of Laois decent players transfers to Dublin clubs for money than play for their county €€€
Your anger is making you irrational, calm yourself down. Go to the clinic and they'll give you your treatment. You're repeated use of €€€ seems to be sending a message, you're asking for some money. Look, I don't have a euro for ya, if you want to stay in a hostel pay for it yourself.
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 19, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
Would you divide Mayo into 2 to give the rest of Connacht a chance as ye will win your 4th title in a row next month?
Have Mayo been givin millions upon millions of euro from government and GAA funds?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:54:18 PM
What about the 200k a year ye were paying Micko?
plus he bought Billy Sheehan €€€ tried to poach Declan Quill,Declan Browne €€€
Laois beat Dublin for years at minor/u21 pity all the players turned into pissheads/junkies/money grabbers
most of Laois decent players transfers to Dublin clubs for money than play for their county €€€
Your anger is making you irrational, calm yourself down. Go to the clinic and they'll give you your treatment. You're repeated use of €€€ seems to be sending a message, you're asking for some money. Look, I don't have a euro for ya, if you want to stay in a hostel pay for it yourself.
Paddy sounds like an angry man alright ;D
The type of fella who might break someones jaw in an unprovoked attack even...
But sure who would do such a thing...
Whatever they paid for Billy Sheehan, it was too much.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 19, 2014, 03:40:09 PM
Whatever they paid for Billy Sheehan, it was too much.
Winding up the Nordies like he did he was worth every penny.
Quote from: laoislad on June 19, 2014, 03:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 19, 2014, 03:40:09 PM
Whatever they paid for Billy Sheehan, it was too much.
Winding up the Nordies like he did he was worth every penny.
= success in Laois
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 19, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
Would you divide Mayo into 2 to give the rest of Connacht a chance as ye will win your 4th title in a row next month?
Have Mayo been givin millions upon millions of euro from government and GAA funds?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:54:18 PM
What about the 200k a year ye were paying Micko?
plus he bought Billy Sheehan €€€ tried to poach Declan Quill,Declan Browne €€€
Laois beat Dublin for years at minor/u21 pity all the players turned into pissheads/junkies/money grabbers
most of Laois decent players transfers to Dublin clubs for money than play for their county €€€
Your anger is making you irrational, calm yourself down. Go to the clinic and they'll give you your treatment. You're repeated use of €€€ seems to be sending a message, you're asking for some money. Look, I don't have a euro for ya, if you want to stay in a hostel pay for it yourself.
haha your great craic. I think your giving yourself too many hand shandies thinking about Dublin.il give you €€€ to take your anger out on a sheep.You could even paint it in the Dublin colours :) 8)
ps I was already in the clinic from the dose I caught from your missus so wont be going near her again :-*
Quote from: laoislad on June 19, 2014, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 19, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
Would you divide Mayo into 2 to give the rest of Connacht a chance as ye will win your 4th title in a row next month?
Have Mayo been givin millions upon millions of euro from government and GAA funds?
Quote from: PaddyP73 on June 18, 2014, 10:54:18 PM
What about the 200k a year ye were paying Micko?
plus he bought Billy Sheehan €€€ tried to poach Declan Quill,Declan Browne €€€
Laois beat Dublin for years at minor/u21 pity all the players turned into pissheads/junkies/money grabbers
most of Laois decent players transfers to Dublin clubs for money than play for their county €€€
Your anger is making you irrational, calm yourself down. Go to the clinic and they'll give you your treatment. You're repeated use of €€€ seems to be sending a message, you're asking for some money. Look, I don't have a euro for ya, if you want to stay in a hostel pay for it yourself.
Paddy sounds like an angry man alright ;D
The type of fella who might break someones jaw in an unprovoked attack even...
But sure who would do such a thing...
wouldn't be hardy as the Laois boys
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/laois-probe-broken-jaw-and-assault-on-linesman-26385235.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/1109/56534-parkinsonc/
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/garda-investigated-over-alleged-assault-at-match-26692220.html
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=136313
I think rather than trying to split Dublin I think we need to standardise as much as possible the off field conditions for all county teams. We are lucky in the sense that we have a closed competition of roughly 32 teams.
To start with, expenditure on county teams should be capped. Teams in the lower leagues should be allowed a greater expenditure to try and address the balance. It's not a silver bullet but it's a start. The cap will need to be reviewed annually depending on funding available. A portion of all funding from sponsorship from all but the weakest counties should be pooled to help fund this.
All teams should have access to a defined minimum standard of training facilities. A more joined up approach to development of centres of excellence should in the short term should allow for shared facilities till such time as all counties have a COE each.
The size of back room teams need to be limited for all teams. The make up of said back room teams is at the discretion of the management.
I think this is the best way forward in creating more competitive competitions.
Quote from: thejuice on June 20, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
To start with, expenditure on county teams should be capped. Teams in the lower leagues should be allowed a greater expenditure to try and address the balance. It's not a silver bullet but it's a start. The cap will need to be reviewed annually depending on funding available.
I hope it would be better policed than the " no payments to Managers" situation :-\
You can only try.
I think the punishment should be that if you go over the cap, the extra money is given to your main rival. So if ye Rossies would end up finding Mayo if ye tried anything untoward.
Anyway if Roscommon ever win anything we'll know straight away ye're cheating. ;)
Quote from: thejuice on June 20, 2014, 03:36:41 PM
I think the punishment should be that if you go over the cap, the extra money is given to your main rival. So if ye Rossies would end up finding Mayo if ye tried anything untoward.
We're already funding effin Mayowestros - The Centre of Excellence outside Smellyhaunis and Prentypark in Castlebar. >:( >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2014, 03:28:50 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 20, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
To start with, expenditure on county teams should be capped. Teams in the lower leagues should be allowed a greater expenditure to try and address the balance. It's not a silver bullet but it's a start. The cap will need to be reviewed annually depending on funding available.
I hope it would be better policed than the " no payments to Managers" situation :-\
Or the no training during the training ban which was well respected by Banty & McGeeney
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 19, 2014, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 18, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no
Why not?
Don't understand your comment about strongish base - plenty of Laois senior clubs ( Arles, portlaoise) have been v competitive in Leinster this past decade
I meant Dubl$n were already getting to plenty of quarter and semi finals, they weren't good enough to win one though until the millions of euro started taking effect and along came the long list of underage talent.
So you are saying that given millions
Dublins same players went on to win the all Ireland
So my question again- if Laois ( same squad of lads) had same millions would they do the same as Dublin ?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 18, 2014, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 18, 2014, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on June 18, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 17, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
So if the same money was 'pumped ' into Laois
Would they be at the same level in football and hurling as where Dublin are now?
At senior level in football no
Why not?
Don't understand your comment about strongish base - plenty of Laois senior clubs ( Arles, portlaoise) have been v competitive in Leinster this past decade
Portlaoise have had it ridiculously easy in the Laois championship recently. They have won 7 in a row and their best players like McCormack, Cahillane, Healy, Lillis and Rogers don't line out for the county team. I would have seen quite a few of the other Laois clubs in the last few years in challenge matches and their standard is generally poor enough. It's no surprise that there's a number of their county players plying their trade with Dublin superclubs despite Laois being within a commutable distance.
I don't know which came first - the exodus to Dublin clubs looking for money
Or
Portlaoise dominance
I played plenty of challenge games against various senior club teams in Laois and they were far from poor