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Now that we've got a place at the dance we can start salivating at three games that could all be mini-classics:

Roscommon vs. Tipp/Cork

Dublin vs. Cavan/Donegal

Both to be played on the 19th of April at TBD Park, County N/A.

The odds from Paddy Power, just for shits and giggles:

Dublin 6/5 FAVOURITES
Roscommon 5/2
Cavan 6/1
Cork 15/2
Tipp 9/1
Donegal 14/1

Cavan good value odds. The winner of the Cavan/Donegal v Dublin semi final should win the All Ireland in my opinion.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2014, 02:38:33 AM
Cavan good value odds. The winner of the Cavan/Donegal v Dublin semi final should win the All Ireland in my opinion.

We heard the first seven times, Captain. The AI is a total toss-up.

Dublin should be best placed to win it looking at their team but they have not impressed so far in a very weak Leinster. Maybe they are waiting to peak when it matters. Cavan have a difficult game to win against Donegal, it far from a done deal. If we prevail I think we have as good a chance as anyone.

Cork would normally be very strong at U-21, so i'm surprised that the bookies have them quoted at the odds above.. To be honest, i would rate Roscommon as serious contenders. In their 3 games to date, they have scored 4-10, 1-12 and 0-19, all away matches. They conceded 1-8, 1-10 and 1-3.

Roscommon are real contenders however you need to remember they beat Leitrim and sligo and a quite poor Mayo outfit. Cavan will have beaten Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan and hopefully Donegal. So far they have beaten them all well too.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Roscommon are real contenders however you need to remember they beat Leitrim and sligo and a quite poor Mayo outfit. Cavan will have beaten Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan and hopefully Donegal. So far they have beaten them all well too.

I'd wonder how this "quite poor Mayo outfit" would have fared against Derry,Tyrone,Monaghan in a championship game. For what i seen of Sligo at both U-21 & minor level in recent years they are well organised and difficult to beat. 

Quote from: ross4life on April 06, 2014, 10:18:22 AM

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Roscommon are real contenders however you need to remember they beat Leitrim and sligo and a quite poor Mayo outfit. Cavan will have beaten Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan and hopefully Donegal. So far they have beaten them all well too.

I'd wonder how this "quite poor Mayo outfit" would have fared against Derry,Tyrone,Monaghan in a championship game. For what i seen of Sligo at both U-21 & minor level in recent years they are well organised and difficult to beat.

Don't think they would have fared that well to be honest. Getting hammered at home in a championship game doesn't suggest they would have done better up in Derry

Ok for a quiet life I will change my comment.

Roscommon should be favourites for the all Ireland. They beat one of best u21 teams in Ireland in Mayo, beat a fantastic Sligo team by 2 points and thrashed many peoples favourite for the all Ireland in Leitrim. Cork or Tipp have no chance such is their awesomeness.

Quote from: ross4life on April 06, 2014, 10:18:22 AM

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
Roscommon are real contenders however you need to remember they beat Leitrim and sligo and a quite poor Mayo outfit. Cavan will have beaten Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan and hopefully Donegal. So far they have beaten them all well too.

I'd wonder how this "quite poor Mayo outfit" would have fared against Derry,Tyrone,Monaghan in a championship game. For what i seen of Sligo at both U-21 & minor level in recent years they are well organised and difficult to beat.

This poor Mayo side won the Hastings Shield against Tipp, I'm very interested to see how their minor-winning lads get on against Cork.

No Syferus, Tipp beat Mayo in that match. Big talk about Cavan considering they haven't even won Ulster yet. A return of 1-7 against Monaghan won't win them many games.

Cavan been talked up to much haven't got the forwards to worry the better teams. Will do well to get over Donegal.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 06, 2014, 12:09:05 PM
No Syferus, Tipp beat Mayo in that match. Big talk about Cavan considering they haven't even won Ulster yet. A return of 1-7 against Monaghan won't win them many games.

They did? Must be remembering it wrong. It was close enough anyways. I think the Mayo U21 manager made some very bad selections around the middle but there was some real talent in that Mayo U21 panel.

It's a case of damned if we do and damned if we don't in Itchy's eyes.

Cavan scored 3-10 against Derry, and 1-11 against Tyrone, the conditions were terrible against Monaghan hence the low score.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
Ok for a quiet life I will change my comment.

Roscommon should be favourites for the all Ireland. They beat one of best u21 teams in Ireland in Mayo, beat a fantastic Sligo team by 2 points and thrashed many peoples favourite for the all Ireland in Leitrim. Cork or Tipp have no chance such is their awesomeness.

:D

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 12:19:30 PM
Cavan scored 3-10 against Derry, and 1-11 against Tyrone, the conditions were terrible against Monaghan hence the low score.

Cavan surely deserve a title after the efforts of the last few years. Ros don't have the self confidence of Galway  either, Syfin output notwithstanding. 

Quote from: seafoid on April 06, 2014, 12:45:47 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 12:19:30 PM
Cavan scored 3-10 against Derry, and 1-11 against Tyrone, the conditions were terrible against Monaghan hence the low score.

Cavan surely deserve a title after the efforts of the last few years. Ros don't have the self confidence of Galway  either, Syfin output notwithstanding.

You'd want to tell the lads, I think they've forgotten.

Have to win Ulster first, Donegal will be looking for revenge from last year

Won't accept that Ros beat a ''poor'' Mayo team. They have some excellent players on that team such as Adam Gallagher, Evan Regan, Diarmuid O'Connor to name just three. It didn't happen for them against Ros, but that doesn't automatically make them a poor team.

Quote from: tommysmith on April 06, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
Cavan been talked up to much haven't got the forwards to worry the better teams. Will do well to get over Donegal.

Who is talking them up? They've done well but most cavan fans will say we are short a top forward or two. It seems Roscommon are the real deal. When they sneak past Sligo despite being 1/50 its because Sligo are Brilliant. I never met a team supported by bad losers and even worse, bad winners. Wait and see, when they eventually lose it'll be the bad manager, a lucky goal but never beaten by a better team.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 06, 2014, 12:54:33 PM
Won't accept that Ros beat a ''poor'' Mayo team. They have some excellent players on that team such as Adam Gallagher, Evan Regan, Diarmuid O'Connor to name just three. It didn't happen for them against Ros, but that doesn't automatically make them a poor team.

Maybe poor is the wrong word. Average maybe.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 01:01:16 PM

Quote from: tommysmith on April 06, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
Cavan been talked up to much haven't got the forwards to worry the better teams. Will do well to get over Donegal.

Who is talking them up? They've done well but most cavan fans will say we are short a top forward or two. It seems Roscommon are the real deal. When they sneak past Sligo despite being 1/50 its because Sligo are Brilliant. I never met a team supported by bad losers and even worse, bad winners. Wait and see, when they eventually lose it'll be the bad manager, a lucky goal but never beaten by a better team.

Feck getting revenge for 2012 by reaching the final and beating Dublin - I want Cavan.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 01:01:16 PM

Quote from: tommysmith on April 06, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
Cavan been talked up to much haven't got the forwards to worry the better teams. Will do well to get over Donegal.

Who is talking them up? They've done well but most cavan fans will say we are short a top forward or two. It seems Roscommon are the real deal. When they sneak past Sligo despite being 1/50 its because Sligo are Brilliant. I never met a team supported by bad losers and even worse, bad winners. Wait and see, when they eventually lose it'll be the bad manager, a lucky goal but never beaten by a
better team.

Captain obvious anyway . I don't bother reading what the rossies spout they talk through their arses.

I'd have to agree with tommy, Cavan will do well to get past Donegal. We don't have an inside forward that would make it onto a Division 3 Senior side. We had the possession and the opportunities to beat Roscommon out the gate in the Hastings Cup but couldn't finish, they made the most of limited chances and got the win. We place perhaps too much focus on defensive qualities, it has made us difficult to beat and we are competitive again but to take that next step to start winning Championships and competing with top sides at Senior level, we need to unearth a few quality players in the 13-15 jerseys.

Quote from: Westside on April 06, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
I'd have to agree with tommy, Cavan will do well to get past Donegal. We don't have an inside forward that would make it onto a Division 3 Senior side. We had the possession and the opportunities to beat Roscommon out the gate in the Hastings Cup but couldn't finish, they made the most of limited chances and got the win. We place perhaps too much focus on defensive qualities, it has made us difficult to beat and we are competitive again but to take that next step to start winning Championships and competing with top sides at Senior level, we need to unearth a few quality players in the 13-15 jerseys.

Tom Hayes was probaly Cavan best player against Monaghan at Corner forward, winning his own ball, creating chances and taking scores.  Only 18. Conor Madden is a very good prospect, but currently injured.

Might not have a Paddy McBrearty or Cormac Coestolloe but Cavan didnt make the Ulster final for nothing. Plenty of players in the Cavan team are capable of scoring not reliant on one or 2 players, half backs Smith Moyangh, Argue in midfield, Darragh McVeety, Paul Graham, Kevin Bouchier, good array of scorers.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
When they sneak past Sligo despite being 1/50 its because Sligo are Brilliant. I never met a team supported by bad losers and even worse, bad winners. Wait and see, when they eventually lose it'll be the bad manager, a lucky goal but never beaten by a better team.

Talk about painting us rossies all with the same brush  ::)

You should know better not to rate underage teams on underage odds. For example Mayo minors in 2012 only sneaked past Sligo & that Mayo side should have reached the All Ireland final.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
Don't think they would have fared that well to be honest. Getting hammered at home in a championship game doesn't suggest they would have done better up in Derry

It's been said Cavan don't have forward power so how strong are Derry if they conceded 3-10 against you? 

Quote from: ross4life on April 06, 2014, 05:10:32 PM

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
When they sneak past Sligo despite being 1/50 its because Sligo are Brilliant. I never met a team supported by bad losers and even worse, bad winners. Wait and see, when they eventually lose it'll be the bad manager, a lucky goal but never beaten by a better team.

Talk about painting us rossies all with the same brush  ::)

You should know better not to rate underage teams on underage odds. For example Mayo minors in 2012 only sneaked past Sligo & that Mayo side should have reached the All Ireland final.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
Don't think they would have fared that well to be honest. Getting hammered at home in a championship game doesn't suggest they would have done better up in Derry

It's been said Cavan don't have forward power so how strong are Derry if they conceded 3-10 against you?

Was a good Derry team,they gifted Cavan 2 goals which was a big help.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 05:16:08 PM

Was a good Derry team,they gifted Cavan 2 goals which was a big help.

If you say so but i can't recall any of the Derry minor teams standing out over the last three years. Looking at the results in 2011 which i presume is mostly Derry's U-21 team this year lost to Fermanagh by 5 points at home.

Quote from: ross4life on April 06, 2014, 05:28:27 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 05:16:08 PM

Was a good Derry team,they gifted Cavan 2 goals which was a big help.

If you say so but i can't recall any of the Derry minor teams standing out over the last three years. Looking at the results in 2011 which i presume is mostly Derry's U-21 team this year lost to Fermanagh by 5 points at home.

They were highlly rated in 2011, it was a shock defeat to Fermanagh at the time. The lads on the Derry thread will tell you they were a good side, but probaly didnt have the same collective training as what Cavan had. 6 players on the Derry Senior panel. Also Ballinderry doing well this year would also have affected Derry u21, McKinless and Bell being some who were involved, meant they wouldn't have done much trianing with Derry U21s.s

Pats Maghera doing well at schools football affects Derry Minors as they dont have those players until the schools football is over ,and not much time to build a team for the championship..

Maghera had one of the best schools teams i ever saw last year winning the Hogan, Derry clearly would have had a decent Minor team if they had those players for a longer period

Okay, why don't we all forget about the various merits or otherwise of Mayo and Derry and focus on the only 6 teams still in with a chance of winning the All Ireland...Have to acknowledge the significance of Cavan going for four in a row in Ulster. A brilliant achievement in a province that is always very competitive at underage level.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 06, 2014, 07:01:09 PM
Okay, why don't we all forget about the various merits or otherwise of Mayo and Derry and focus on the only 6 teams still in with a chance of winning the All Ireland...Have to acknowledge the significance of Cavan going for four in a row in Ulster. A brilliant achievement in a province that is always very competitive at underage level.

They certainly are the real deal.

I would also like to say that, despite Itchy's unprovoked assault on Roscommon supporters, I have always found Cavan supporters to be among the most generous and knowledgeable in Ireland and that I see a kindred spirit in our joint passion for gaelic football at all levels. I wish them every success and hope to see them in this year's All-Ireland series.

Are you 5 years old? Posting same thing on two threads. Cop on and maybe you'd stop giving Roscommon fans a bad name.

Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2014, 07:40:10 PM
Are you 5 years old? Posting same thing on two threads. Cop on and maybe you'd stop giving Roscommon fans a bad name.

The buck who posted a Barna Waste-sized skip of generalised garbage about a county really shouldn't be playing the child card.

I also edited the above post because I can tell you're a man who doesn't suffer repetition lightly and I expect better from myself too.

Syfín please stop ruining another thread. :-[
So the All Ireland Final seems to be the game between Cavan and Dublin according to some. Wonder what happens if Donegal win the UF? Will Dublin be awarded the Cup without further ado?
Meanwhile we play the winners of the Cork/Tipp MF which should be an excellent game.
Maybe we could have done with a tougher test in the CF but sure we'll give it a lash anyway.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
Syfín please stop ruining another thread. :-[
So the All Ireland Final seems to be the game between Cavan and Dublin according to some. Wonder what happens if Donegal win the UF? Will Dublin be awarded the Cup without further ado?
Meanwhile we play the winners of the Cork/Tipp MF which should be an excellent game.
Maybe we could have done with a tougher test in the CF but sure we'll give it a lash anyway.

It's my thread to ruin you tool. Added a nonsense poll.

Quote from: tommysmith on April 06, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
Captain obvious anyway . I don't bother reading what SOME rossies spout they talk through their arses.

Fixed that post.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. Like all counties there are good and bad supporters mixed in there...

The GAA has confirmed details of the upcoming Cadbury GAA Football All-Ireland U21 Championship semi-finals, which will be played on April 19.

Leinster champions Dublin and Connacht winners Roscommon are already through to the semi-finals, while the identity of the teams to progress from Munster and Ulster will be decided on Wednesday night.

Cork play Tipperary in the Munster final and Cavan face Donegal in the Ulster decider.

***

Cadbury GAA Football All-Ireland U21 Championship Semi-Finals

Saturday, April 19

If
   Cork v Roscommon, Portlaoise, 3pm (Live on TG4)
   Or
   Tipperary v Roscommon, Tullamore, 3pm (Live on TG4)

If
   Donegal v Dublin, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4.45pm (Live on TG4)
   Or
   Cavan v Dublin, Tullamore/Portlaoise*, 4.45pm

*Double header with Cork v Roscommon or Tipperary v Roscommon.

***

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 07, 2014, 05:12:37 PM
The GAA has confirmed details of the upcoming Cadbury GAA Football All-Ireland U21 Championship semi-finals, which will be played on April 19.

Leinster champions Dublin and Connacht winners Roscommon are already through to the semi-finals, while the identity of the teams to progress from Munster and Ulster will be decided on Wednesday night.

Cork play Tipperary in the Munster final and Cavan face Donegal in the Ulster decider.

***

Cadbury GAA Football All-Ireland U21 Championship Semi-Finals

Saturday, April 19

If
   Cork v Roscommon, Portlaoise, 3pm (Live on TG4)
   Or
   Tipperary v Roscommon, Tullamore, 3pm (Live on TG4)

If
   Donegal v Dublin, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4.45pm (Live on TG4)
   Or
   Cavan v Dublin, Tullamore/Portlaoise*, 4.45pm

*Double header with Cork v Roscommon or Tipperary v Roscommon.

***

Sensible planning. A Cavan win on Wednesday will ensure a double header no matter the result in the Munster final.

Yeah was a double header too last year , thats if Cavan beat Donegal on Wednesday. If Donegal win Semi is in Breffni, which probaly makes sense as it would be fair journey for them to travel Tullamore or Portlaoise.

Tullamore or Portlaoise not bad at all.
I feared we'd be off to Limerick or Ennis.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 04:57:24 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 06, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
I'd have to agree with tommy, Cavan will do well to get past Donegal. We don't have an inside forward that would make it onto a Division 3 Senior side. We had the possession and the opportunities to beat Roscommon out the gate in the Hastings Cup but couldn't finish, they made the most of limited chances and got the win. We place perhaps too much focus on defensive qualities, it has made us difficult to beat and we are competitive again but to take that next step to start winning Championships and competing with top sides at Senior level, we need to unearth a few quality players in the 13-15 jerseys.

Tom Hayes was probaly Cavan best player against Monaghan at Corner forward, winning his own ball, creating chances and taking scores.  Only 18. Conor Madden is a very good prospect, but currently injured.

Might not have a Paddy McBrearty or Cormac Coestolloe but Cavan didnt make the Ulster final for nothing. Plenty of players in the Cavan team are capable of scoring not reliant on one or 2 players, half backs Smith Moyangh, Argue in midfield, Darragh McVeety, Paul Graham, Kevin Bouchier, good array of scorers.

Yes as I said Hayes is a mighty little footballer. Would he get a starting place on a Division 3 Senior Side? I fear not, the same goes for the rest of Cavan's inside forwards. We cannot rely on our half backs or midfielder to do the scoring, you don't win Championship titles without having an inside forward line with a real scoring threat. That's why I fear we may come up short on Wednesday night. Madden is out for certain, Dillon is doubtful. Added to that apparently another player who would be considered an option inside apparently walked off the panel after not getting his place on the side.
The strength of our defence and the footballing ability of our wing backs is at a very high standard and has got us this far but we don't have the forwards to win the All Ireland, remains to be seen whether it will cost us against Donegal.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2014, 05:36:45 PM
Tullamore or Portlaoise not bad at all.
I feared we'd be off to Limerick or Ennis.

Sensible choice of venues which is rare for the GAA.

Quote from: Westside on April 07, 2014, 06:38:49 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 06, 2014, 04:57:24 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 06, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
I'd have to agree with tommy, Cavan will do well to get past Donegal. We don't have an inside forward that would make it onto a Division 3 Senior side. We had the possession and the opportunities to beat Roscommon out the gate in the Hastings Cup but couldn't finish, they made the most of limited chances and got the win. We place perhaps too much focus on defensive qualities, it has made us difficult to beat and we are competitive again but to take that next step to start winning Championships and competing with top sides at Senior level, we need to unearth a few quality players in the 13-15 jerseys.

Tom Hayes was probaly Cavan best player against Monaghan at Corner forward, winning his own ball, creating chances and taking scores.  Only 18. Conor Madden is a very good prospect, but currently injured.

Might not have a Paddy McBrearty or Cormac Coestolloe but Cavan didnt make the Ulster final for nothing. Plenty of players in the Cavan team are capable of scoring not reliant on one or 2 players, half backs Smith Moyangh, Argue in midfield, Darragh McVeety, Paul Graham, Kevin Bouchier, good array of scorers.

Yes as I said Hayes is a mighty little footballer. Would he get a starting place on a Division 3 Senior Side? I fear not, the same goes for the rest of Cavan's inside forwards. We cannot rely on our half backs or midfielder to do the scoring, you don't win Championship titles without having an inside forward line with a real scoring threat. That's why I fear we may come up short on Wednesday night. Madden is out for certain, Dillon is doubtful. Added to that apparently another player who would be considered an option inside apparently walked off the panel after not getting his place on the side.
The strength of our defence and the footballing ability of our wing backs is at a very high standard and has got us this far but we don't have the forwards to win the All Ireland, remains to be seen whether it will cost us against Donegal.

Wether he would or wouldn't doesnt matter - . He proved when he came on against Tyrone that he well capable of playing at this level (U21) and put in a very good performance against Monaghan from the start.

Kevin Bouchier is capable of a big performance too.

It matters in as much as we lack the scoring power that the other top teams have. Do you not think we lack threat going forward Itchy?

I do but I am an eternal optimist and was hoping one of the lads could step up. I'd pinned my hopes on Madden but now he is out. What about Nevin O Donnell?

Its also worth remembering Tyrone's star forward was in the pockets of the Cavan backs even though he starts with much success on their seniors. Hopefully same can be done on mcbrearty.

And what about having a good defence, Every team Cavan have played this year has found it hard to break down Cavan. Having an array of scorers is an asset in the Cavan team. Donegal were totally reliant on McBrearty inside last year like Tyrone were this year with McCurry, and when he was covered up they were fairly limited.. Doesn't mean it will be like that this year - but depending on 1 or 2 players for scorers isn't as good as relying on 6 or 7.

I would expect Hayes to continue his form from last week

I'm not sure if Nevin O'Donnell made the panel for Wednesday. I take your point about McCurry but McBrearty is a completely different prospect, his physicality will be very hard to contain. Hard to know who will pick him up, I'd imagine Clarke or Faulkner.

Hopefully there's a big game in some of our forward line, Hayes carved himself out a few goal chances against Monaghan hopefully he can do the same Wednesday night. I read on Hoganstand that Dillon was sick for last week, if he was back it would be a big bonus.

Hard to believe Donegal are at 2/1 for this.

People were worrying about the Cavan forwards at the start of last year, and were only a kick of a ball from making the All Ireland final..

Faulkner has been top class for the U21s  , well able to mark McBrearty if he is given the role. He would know McBrearty as they are both in Maynooth. Clarke might get it either.

So now we know the two semi finals....Roscommon v Cork ...Dublin v Cavan...Can we expect Cork and Dublin to start as favourites?

They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2014, 10:49:48 AM

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:59:29 AM

Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2014, 10:49:48 AM

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

About a third of our starting U21 team are featuring for senior team. We've looked less than stellar without them in the last two games. Our players are every bit as talented as Dublin's. Don't know a whole lot about Cork but they are perinally good at this grade. We have the inside forwards to expose any FB line so I'd hope we can nail a few goals and work from there.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:59:29 AM

Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2014, 10:49:48 AM

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

It would be a major achievement anyway no matter who we bate seeing as we only won 4 All Irelands across the 4 grades in the last 63 years.
Syfín - lets play the oul semi first. The players learned their lesson in the Sligo game but in Syferworld.........

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They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

About a third of our starting U21 team are featuring for senior team. We've looked less than stellar without them in the last two games. Our players are every bit as talented as Dublin's. Don't know a whole lot about Cork but they are perinally good at this grade. We have the inside forwards to expose any FB line so I'd hope we can nail a few goals and work from there.

Like I said, haven't seen this Roscommon team play, but all due respect, how many of them have actually played Senior? Conor Daly, Smiths..anyone else? Cork have 4/5 lads who have played Div 1 league or c/ship with Cork. Dublin similarly if not more. That's a different level of football altogether.

Still, like I said, Cork are not without their faults so if Roscommon are smart enough and can cope with their pace, they could get a result.

Conor Daly, 2 Smiths, Diarmuid Murtagh, Nally, Fintan Kelly on the panel.
We've a good team but it all depends on how good Cork/Cavan/Dublin are.
At underage standards can vary from year to year from Province to Province so until the ball is thrown in for the AI semis you just never know.........

Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

would they have given coverage had it been Dublin playing last night ?

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They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

It would be a major achievement anyway no matter who we bate seeing as we only won 4 All Irelands across the 4 grades in the last 63 years.
Syfín - lets play the oul semi first. The players learned their lesson in the Sligo game but in Syferworld.........

Where exactly did I say we'd even beat Cork? There's not a word of a lie in saying the team's target this year is now very definitely winning an AI, not putting in another battling and losing display in a semi or final.

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They'll be roaring favourites of course  :D
RTÉ surpassed itself on non GAA coverage on the Radio sports bulletin this morning - Prime position given to an Ir English soccer team losing a European game as if two U21 Provincial Finals of the most popular sport in Ireland are of no concern to the so called National Public Station.
Then they whinge about the GAA  giving games to Sky  ::)
We'll have it all to do against Cork but the concession of 3 goals might suggest gaps in their defensive capabilities.

Cork have a chink in the armour in the fullback line for sure, but the rest of their team is very powerful. Their best forward up to now, Dan McEoin, was quiet enough last night, but then Alan Cadogan stepped up with 0-5 from play  in the other corner. Haven't seen this Roscommon team play but they will be doing well to beat Cork I would think.

Doing well this year means winning the AI.

If Ross win the AI, it will be a huge achievement given the amount of Senior players available to both Dublin and Cork.

About a third of our starting U21 team are featuring for senior team. We've looked less than stellar without them in the last two games. Our players are every bit as talented as Dublin's. Don't know a whole lot about Cork but they are perinally good at this grade. We have the inside forwards to expose any FB line so I'd hope we can nail a few goals and work from there.

Like I said, haven't seen this Roscommon team play, but all due respect, how many of them have actually played Senior? Conor Daly, Smiths..anyone else? Cork have 4/5 lads who have played Div 1 league or c/ship with Cork. Dublin similarly if not more. That's a different level of football altogether.

Still, like I said, Cork are not without their faults so if Roscommon are smart enough and can cope with their pace, they could get a result.

Diarmuid Murtagh has been exceptional for us at senior this year, probably our best inside forward at senior this year (Cregg plays a free role) and Senan has been in great form so that is no mean feat for someone who was a minor last year. Nally has started and featured in the league while Kelly was named to start the Sligo NFL game last Sunday but an injury in the Connacht final the day before prevented him from starting.

And Thomas Corcoran.. he's probably our best midfielder at any county grade and probably should be starting for the seniors on merit and indeed could feature in the summer.

I know how good Dublin's senior lads are but we have players that are in no way inferior to them or raw. That said, I wouldn't be terribly shocked if Cavan are the team that comes out of that side of the draw, all four teams can win this AI.

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Doing well this year means winning the AI.

Where exactly did I say we'd even beat Cork? [/quote]

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Doing well this year means winning the AI.

Where exactly did I say we'd even beat Cork?

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With the players we have not winning the AI will be seen by both the players and supporters as a disappointment. That doesn't mean they will win it but that is where the bar for success now rests for us.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 10, 2014, 04:58:36 PM
Cork have 4/5 lads who have played Div 1 league or c/ship with Cork. Dublin similarly if not more. That's a different level of football altogether.

Thats a big advantage that should make Cork and Dublin favourites to reach the final however Cavan are holding teams to low scores and the Dubs will be without their best forward Kilkenny.

I think we will struggle against the Dubs, wouldn't give us a chance really. Don't have the forwards. Might be better if the dubs win anyway as Roscommon will surely hammer us in the final if we do get there.

Cork conceded the walkover already? :o

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Cork conceded the walkover already? :o

No, but Corks defeat is a formality such is the might of Roscommon.

Come back out of Syferworld Myles before it's too late. ;D

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Cork conceded the walkover already? :o

No, but Corks defeat is a formality such is the might of Roscommon.

Very defensive.

Can't see Cavan having the scoring power to beat Dublin. Also Cork will be a big step up from what Roscommon have played so far. But, get everything right on the day, who knows?

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 12, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
Can't see Cavan having the scoring power to beat Dublin. Also Cork will be a big step up from what Roscommon have played so far. But, get everything right on the day, who knows?

no Kilkenny and another two forwards doubtful has to hit dublin's scoring power also they won't have faced an defence as strong as Cavan's in Leinster. Tipp and Ross were rated around the same level. Can Ross fare better against cork than tipp did?

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Can't see Cavan having the scoring power to beat Dublin. Also Cork will be a big step up from what Roscommon have played so far. But, get everything right on the day, who knows?

no Kilkenny and another two forwards doubtful has to hit dublin's scoring power also they won't have faced an defence as strong as Cavan's in Leinster. Tipp and Ross were rated around the same level. Can Ross fare better against cork than tipp did?

I suppose winning the Hasting Shield is like winning the Hastings Cup if you squint a bit.

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I suppose winning the Hasting Shield is like winning the Hastings Cup if you squint a bit.

You had to be told the other day that Tipp and not Mayo won the Shield. The Hasting cup is an pre-season competition where most sides experiment before the championship.

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I suppose winning the Hasting Shield is like winning the Hastings Cup if you squint a bit.

You had to be told the other day that Tipp and not Mayo won the Shield. The Hasting cup is an pre-season competition where most sides experiment before the championship.

Five Hastings Cup teams made the last eight of the AI. Half the remaining teams made the Hastings semi-finals, the second time in three years that is the case.

Tipperary and Roscommon are around the same level and Cork should if they play to form win their semi final. To be honest Cavan are more likely to cause an upset.

If Cavan can get to an All Ireland Final from the preliminary round of Ulster with the set of forwards we have, it will be a remarkable achievement. 1-3 in 59 minutes of football in the Ulster Final. The big finish was fantastic, it took a huge amount of nerve and belief to pull that game out of the fire when it seemed like the story of a game we'd seen a hundred times before, but it papered over the gaping cracks in this side. I'll disagree with Ronan Carolan and say that last year was a stronger team. Our defence on the other hand is outstanding and it will be very interesting to see how it will fare against the Dubs.

Donegal were as defensive as Cavan so any team would have struggled to break them down. If Cavan start with the strongest team fron the start scores might not be as hard to come by. It would be great to have Conor Madden back, unlikely though

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 01:17:18 AM
If Cavan can get to an All Ireland Final from the preliminary round of Ulster with the set of forwards we have, it will be a remarkable achievement. 1-3 in 59 minutes of football in the Ulster Final. The big finish was fantastic, it took a huge amount of nerve and belief to pull that game out of the fire when it seemed like the story of a game we'd seen a hundred times before, but it papered over the gaping cracks in this side. I'll disagree with Ronan Carolan and say that last year was a stronger team. Our defence on the other hand is outstanding and it will be very interesting to see how it will fare against the Dubs.

Westside, you are an awful auld pessimist! I think every year you have reckoned our U21s would struggle. Look at the bright side. Dublin do not have a forward of the calibre of Paddy McBrearty and perhaps even as good as McCurry of Tyrone. Both of those guys mustered 0-1 from play against us. McBrearty got two frees also, neither he won himself and one which was a laughable decision by the Tyrone ref where they got a free despite the player who was "fouled" not even in possession of the ball for 10s before he got a free.

We also have a midfield capable of dominating I think and of scoring.

Our forwards have been struggling but again the last 3 games we've played have been against teams playing very defensively. Donegal were just as defensive as us if not more, Monaghan too were very defensive and dedicated a player to not play football and just spoil Argue and Tyrone were beyond belief, playing 13 men behind the ball with a huge wind at their backs. I think any sets of forwards would struggle in these scenarios, just like McBrearty and McCurry did when we set up that way.

Now you are right in saying we have no marquee forward on our team and we did look totally out of ideas up front before our comeback but on reflection I think we needed to run at donegal a bit more and the short kick out was slowing our attack allowing Donegal filter men back. I believe Dublin are also setting themselves defensively so we will have to learn from Donegal and make the adjustments. We've one of the best back room teams in the country so I've faith that they will have a plan.

Dublin are justified favourites but I think if we go out and give it everything we will be close and maybe we might sneak it. The bookies have the other game neck and neck. It will be interesting to see who will prevail. I've a hunch Cork will.

Cavan will need to go more direct against the Dubs as that was the down fall last year against Cork, last 15 minutes a few tactical changes like bringing Clarke to midfield and Conor Moynagh coming on led the fight back, but it was a more direct approch. Slow build up play cost Cavan against Cork

Monaghan and Donegal were both set up very defensive, the Dubs won't be.. I think the Cavan defence wil be able to contain the Dublin forwards, Kilkenny is a huge loss, Mannion and Costelloe very good players, but not the physical presence of Kilkenny.. Michael Argue is a good option to go FF if needs be for last 15 minutes, pity Sankey is also ruled out.

I'm always pessimistic, what can I say Myles. I can handle despair, it's the hope that kills me!

I'd like to see Tom Hayes start. There's enough power and thick wit between himself and Dillon to carve out a goal or two and if we can do that we're surely in with a shout. Cavan are a team that's more than the sum of their parts, I also think the mentality going into this game is entirely different to the last two Semi Final defeats. They believe this is where they belong and they fully believe they are good enough to win an All Ireland. Now that counts for little if Dublin can get some joy out of our defence and we struggle up front but I'm certain that mentally there are no issues with playing in this stage of the competition.

Hard to know how the other Semi Final will go. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.
A Roscommon lad I know told me the other day, deadly seriously, that he'd love to get past Cork just to get another go at the Dubs and revenge for 2012.

Westside- there was a rossie on here saying the same. You'll never guess who.

Could be the same lad maybe? In his world Roscommon have never lost to a better team. They threw the game away against Dublin in 2012. They 'should' have beaten Galway last year if Donie Smith hadn't been sent off (obviously they would have went on to win the All Ireland) The Minors were only beaten by a Tyrone Rugby team last year.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
I'm always pessimistic, what can I say Myles. I can handle despair, it's the hope that kills me!

I'd like to see Tom Hayes start. There's enough power and thick wit between himself and Dillon to carve out a goal or two and if we can do that we're surely in with a shout. Cavan are a team that's more than the sum of their parts, I also think the mentality going into this game is entirely different to the last two Semi Final defeats. They believe this is where they belong and they fully believe they are good enough to win an All Ireland. Now that counts for little if Dublin can get some joy out of our defence and we struggle up front but I'm certain that mentally there are no issues with playing in this stage of the competition.

Hard to know how the other Semi Final will go. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.
A Roscommon lad I know told me the other day, deadly seriously, that he'd love to get past Cork just to get another go at the Dubs and revenge for 2012.

Did he say that we would get over Cork? That's pretty clearly not what I said, and indeed what I said was obviously in jest too. There's a big difference between saying you'd like to meet someone and saying you'll beat someone else. The former happens with regularity in sport and to try and point it out as something different or exceptional seems quite short-sighted because you're almost sure to fall into the same 'trap' in the future.

People like Itchy's command of the English language usual fails them when such nuances need to be unrooted.

My point was that he was completely discounting Cavan against Dublin.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
Could be the same lad maybe? In his world Roscommon have never lost to a better team. They threw the game away against Dublin in 2012. They 'should' have beaten Galway last year if Donie Smith hadn't been sent off (obviously they would have went on to win the All Ireland) The Minors were only beaten by a Tyrone Rugby team last year.

Sounds like the same man alright without a doubt.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
I'm always pessimistic, what can I say Myles. I can handle despair, it's the hope that kills me!

I'd like to see Tom Hayes start. There's enough power and thick wit between himself and Dillon to carve out a goal or two and if we can do that we're surely in with a shout. Cavan are a team that's more than the sum of their parts, I also think the mentality going into this game is entirely different to the last two Semi Final defeats. They believe this is where they belong and they fully believe they are good enough to win an All Ireland. Now that counts for little if Dublin can get some joy out of our defence and we struggle up front but I'm certain that mentally there are no issues with playing in this stage of the competition.

Hard to know how the other Semi Final will go. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.
A Roscommon lad I know told me the other day, deadly seriously, that he'd love to get past Cork just to get another go at the Dubs and revenge for 2012.

Your pessimism is working so far, don't change your spots now. What I'd like to see is Nevin o Donnell playing. We have problems with free taking. Bouchier was very poor from frees, even one of the simple ones he nearly missed. We need someone with a left foot too and O Donnell would give you that. Of course I am not privy to his fitness or form so I have to assume he is not ready and hence not on the panel. I don't think we have one left footed player on the team. Dublin would be taking note of this.

Is Hayes not a right footer? And Dillon? Personally, I don't see why so many people are touting O'Donnell as an option. He seems to be better and better in people's minds the longer he sits on the bench. I would also think that his reaction at not making the panel for the Ulster Final isn't in keeping with the ethos that this team have bought into (If what I was told is true)

I wonder would Ryan Connolly be able for this level... I don't think we've had a Minor player appear for our U21s but he seems to be one of the best we've produced in a while.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 11:55:32 AM

Hard to know how the other Semi Final will go. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.
A Roscommon lad I know told me the other day, deadly seriously, that he'd love to get past Cork just to get another go at the Dubs and revenge for 2012.

We had Leitrim,Mayo beaten by half time if you weren't so defensive you would have done likewise in most of your Ulster games. We only bet Sligo by a few points so they must have been half decent. You could also say If Cavan fall to Dublin some will question the overall quality of Ulster, the one semi final you won was against Wexford who haven't been seen in Leinster final since.

Seriously though enough of the bull talk. All four remaining sides will fancy their chances to win this All Ireland for different reasons. I don't think Dublin are as good as they were in 2012 for a start they had better manager IMO and a fit Kilkenny two years ago while our semi final is 50/50 it will probably come down to which side has the better bench.

Each of the four sides can talk themselves up all they like or down (like you Westside) but the fact is it won't be known how strong each side are until we see how many of these U-21s players go on to be decent seniors.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 12:56:35 PM
My point was that he was completely discounting Cavan against Dublin.

Which shows he has little or no knowledge of Cavan. I think Cavan can grind any team down, including Dublin.

Lots of people talking about U21 with knowledge of only their own side or one their county played. Anyone who thinks they know who is going to win on Saturday is fooling themselves, it's that tight.

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Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 12:56:35 PM
My point was that he was completely discounting Cavan against Dublin.

Which shows he has little or no knowledge of Cavan. I think Cavan can grind any team down, including Dublin.

Lots of people talking about U21 with knowledge of only their own side or one their county played. Anyone who thinks they know who is going to win on Saturday is fooling themselves, it's that tight.

Agreed. The final pairing could be any combination of the 4 and it wouldn't be a massive shock. Personally I'd love a Roscommon Cavan Final, when we're not bickering on here or in person I think Roscommon are a fantastic template of how an underage set up can be highly competitive with limited resources. Dublin and Cork are the 1st and 4th most highly populated counties in Ireland. Cavan and Roscommon are 25th and 27th respectively.

Quote from: Westside on April 13, 2014, 01:32:28 PM
Is Hayes not a right footer? And Dillon? Personally, I don't see why so many people are touting O'Donnell as an option. He seems to be better and better in people's minds the longer he sits on the bench. I would also think that his reaction at not making the panel for the Ulster Final isn't in keeping with the ethos that this team have bought into (If what I was told is true)

I wonder would Ryan Connolly be able for this level... I don't think we've had a Minor player appear for our U21s but he seems to be one of the best we've produced in a while.

Dillon and Hayes are both right footed. Very unlikely Ryan Connolly would be drafted into the panel as good as he is

Are you sure that Hayes is right footed, i was sure he was left footed.

Im sure yeah. Hayes doesn't take free's either.

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Hard to know how the other Semi Final will go. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.
A Roscommon lad I know told me the other day, deadly seriously, that he'd love to get past Cork just to get another go at the Dubs and revenge for 2012.

Most Ros supporters I talk to would see Dublin and Cork as teams to beat  with Cavan and Roscommon as even enough albeit having two very different football styles. And everyone knows the Dublin team of 2012 were as good a U21 team as has been  seen. As for weak Connacht, when draw was made Ros were expected to travel to Mayo, Sligo and Galway to win a Connacht title. Few counties in Ireland would have relished that draw considering the talent Mayo and Galway had at their disposal. We'll have to wait until Sat to see how weak Connacht was. I'm hopeful anyway.

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. The Rossies haven't met a half decent side yet which won't help their cause. If the supporters are anything to go by they are thirsty to prove to everyone that they are a good side. The reality is that if they lose at this stage they will be a side who walked through a weak Connacht and fell at the first real hurdle.

. As for weak Connacht, when draw was made Ros were expected to travel to Mayo, Sligo and Galway to win a Connacht title. Few counties in Ireland would have relished that draw  We'll have to wait until Sat to see how weak Connacht was. I'm hopeful anyway.

Usual lazy cliched journalistic type of comment.
How many U21s have Ulster teams won in the last 5 years I wonder?
We have a good team and we'll see if Cork have as good or better on Saturday.
Once our lads perform on the day we'll see where that takes us.
I'm hopeful too.

No one said ye were no good Rossies, just that your opposition were poor. Of course if you want to believe Sligo and Leitrim are U21 super powers go ahead.

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
No one said ye were no good Rossies, just that your opposition were poor. Of course if you want to believe Sligo and Leitrim are U21 super powers go ahead.

I have already given my view on Sligo & Leitrim bet the defending AI champs to reach the Connacht final. Who said Sligo and Leitrim were super powers? would it shock you if the Ulster opposition (a lot of them big names) weren't super powers.

It would shock me if Leitrim or Sligo bet anyone in Ulster outside Fermanagh.

This is getting boring now.

Itchy, i think you're being insulting to Sligo and Leitrim in your comments. You seem to think that because they're Sligo and Leitrim, they're not entitled to have a good team. That was no bad Sligo team, and Leitrim held Galway to just eight points. You seem to be trying to use these counties to devalue the Roscommon team because they beat them. What baffles me is why you're insistent on running down Roscommon and the other Connacht counties, when it's Dublin that Cavan are playing?

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
It would shock me if Leitrim or Sligo bet anyone in Ulster outside Fermanagh.

Leitrim shocked everyone by beating Galway. We played near full strength Armagh,Donegal teams in challenge games, Sligo were more impressive against us & harder to beat.

Quote from: tommysmith on April 14, 2014, 07:33:43 PM
This is getting boring now.

+1 either this topic or complaining about the choice of venue. I'm out, knock yourselves out guys.

I didn't belittle Roscommon, they can only beat who is in front of them. However, on my opinion Connacht was a poor standard this year. Comparing a championship game to a challenge is just silly. Westside made a legitimate point when he said Ros would have benefitted from a tough game before playing Cork. I agree. The real problem on this thread is that some Ros contributors cannot accept any comment which doesn't declare Ros to be anything but a legendary team that can only be beaten by themselves, the ref or an act of God.

Itchy, i do agree with you that challenge games, and even the Hastings Cup carry little weight when it comes to the championship.

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
It would shock me if Leitrim or Sligo bet anyone in Ulster outside Fermanagh.

You know very little about Sligo in particular if you'd even think that.

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
my opinion Connacht was a poor standard this year.

How many of the games were you at?
Sure Ulster must be gone to hell altogether the last few years when litttle Cavan can win 4 in a row, :P :P :P

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Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
my opinion Connacht was a poor standard this year.

How many of the games were you at?
Sure Ulster must be gone to hell altogether the last few years when litttle Cavan can win 4 in a row, :P :P :P

You could be right, 10 yes since an ulster team won it out. However going from winning nothing to winning 4 in a row is progress.

At the weekend Leitrim won the Connacht minor league beating Sligo,Roscommon,Galway and defending All Ireland champions Mayo along the way. I think Leitrim reaching Connacht underage finals could become a more familiar sight.

When this years U-21 championship began looking the provinces Leinster had some decent sides however Dublin were the only genuine All Ireland contenders. Ulster was the same with just Cavan the genuine contender. Munster had two Cork,Tipp while Kerry weren't great. Connacht had two, Galway were caught on the hop and Roscommon delivered while it will be another year or two before Mayo are genuine All Ireland contender at U-21 level.

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
I didn't belittle Roscommon, they can only beat who is in front of them. However, on my opinion Connacht was a poor standard this year. Comparing a championship game to a challenge is just silly. Westside made a legitimate point when he said Ros would have benefitted from a tough game before playing Cork. I agree. The real problem on this thread is that some Ros contributors cannot accept any comment which doesn't declare Ros to be anything but a legendary team that can only be beaten by themselves, the ref or an act of God.

Feck it one final comment.

Never said you were. How much do you really know about what we beat? I wouldn't normally read anything into challenge games myself but it was before key championship games & both played strong sides which is rare for those matches.

We got a tough game against Sligo why have yourself & Westside ignored this? some Ros contributors or one just Ros poster with many posts? TBH even Galway supporters said at the time they had the rub of green against us in that Connacht final last April so that was legitimate point.

Now lads move on change the record. Best of luck to ye against the Dubs. We have injuries concerns going into this semi final one out another two doubtful that alone could swing a tight game.

Quote from: ross4life on April 14, 2014, 11:47:57 PM

Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
I didn't belittle Roscommon, they can only beat who is in front of them. However, on my opinion Connacht was a poor standard this year. Comparing a championship game to a challenge is just silly. Westside made a legitimate point when he said Ros would have benefitted from a tough game before playing Cork. I agree. The real problem on this thread is that some Ros contributors cannot accept any comment which doesn't declare Ros to be anything but a legendary team that can only be beaten by themselves, the ref or an act of God.

Feck it one final comment.

Never said you were. How much do you really know about what we beat? I wouldn't normally read anything into challenge games myself but it was before key championship games & both played strong sides which is rare for those matches.

We got a tough game against Sligo why have yourself & Westside ignored this? some Ros contributors or one just Ros poster with many posts? TBH even Galway supporters said at the time they had the rub of green against us in that Connacht final last April so that was legitimate point.

Now lads move on change the record. Best of luck to ye against the Dubs. We have injuries concerns going into this semi final one out another two doubtful that alone could swing a tight game.

Don't be a tool.

I expect that shite from Itchy but better from you.

Quote from: Syferus on April 14, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
Don't be a tool.

I expect that shite from Itchy but better from you.

Jaysus good job i didn't mention you the on post. You aren't newbie anymore & i didn't realize you were highly sensitive either. It doesn't take much to get on the tits of Cavan supporters that much is known now, they probably need to cool the jets & stop reading "legendary Ros team" related posts.

Quote from: ross4life on April 15, 2014, 12:28:15 AM

Quote from: Syferus on April 14, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
Don't be a tool.

I expect that shite from Itchy but better from you.

Jaysus good job i didn't mention you the on post. You aren't newbie anymore & i didn't realize you were highly sensitive either. It doesn't take much to get on the tits of Cavan supporters that much is known now, they probably need to cool the jets & stop reading "legendary Ros team" related posts.

I don't care about some fella with an axe to grind mis-representing what I say but another when it's someone I have a wee bit of respect for.

Roscommon are shite.

Connacht can be weak and Roscommon can still be good you know? Seems to me that this is obviously the case. The teams Cavan have played have had a greater number of successful underage sides recently and more Senior footballers in the ranks. I think Ulster was and almost always is tougher than Connacht. That in no way means Roscommon aren't possibly a better side than Cavan. In fact I'd imagine they are. Cavan had what it took to get out of Ulster. Roscommon, in my opinion, are more likely to win the All Ireland. They have the forwards and they have the history of competing outside of their province. Cavan don't.

Quote from: Westside on April 15, 2014, 07:21:35 PM
Connacht can be weak and Roscommon can still be good you know? Seems to me that this is obviously the case. The teams Cavan have played have had a greater number of successful underage sides recently and more Senior footballers in the ranks. I think Ulster was and almost always is tougher than Connacht. That in no way means Roscommon aren't possibly a better side than Cavan. In fact I'd imagine they are. Cavan had what it took to get out of Ulster. Roscommon, in my opinion, are more likely to win the All Ireland. They have the forwards and they have the history of competing outside of their province. Cavan don't.

In what sense? We both made recent U21 AI finals and but for conservative attacking play ye could have easily made another last year against Cork. We were bet by the last four AI champions but really both counties' fortunes have mirrored each other.

Cavan have won 5 underage titles since 2011. We've won one game against Wexford and we were relatively lucky to win that, Wexford kicked free after free wide despite cleaning us at midfield. But for a fantastic performance from Jack Brady and Niall McDermott we were in big trouble. That said it was 3 days after the Ulster Final.
Other than that we lost to Galway twice, Roscommon and Cork. The Cork game being the only decent performance. Roscommon have beaten Armagh, Cavan, and had very good performances against Tipperary and Dublin (both AI Champions)

I think this year we are in a much better position to challenge outside of Ulster but for me there is little doubt that Roscommon have performed much better in the All Ireland series.

Injuries didn't help Cavan in 2012 Semi.. Cavan were without Barry Reilly, captain and play maker, Turloc Mooney and Paul O Connor against Roscommon, all attacking players. It was a poor display from Cavan on the day, but with those players available Cavan would have offered a better threat.

Why do you think this year we are in a better position to challenge, when you didn't think the forwards were there?

Realistically we never really had Barry Reilly or Mooney in 2012. Barry made a few short appearances but never enough to impact on on the Championship. I don't think Mooney appeared at all? We got through Ulster without them so we can hardly blame our failure to beat Roscommon on their absence. O'Connor, granted, was a loss.

When I say I think we're in a better position to challenge I mean the mentality of the team is better. It wasn't right in 2011 for the final (management and players have said as much since) Nor do I think it was right in 2012. We powered through Ulster that year and then looked absolutely awful against Roscommon. It improved last year and the players finally looked like they felt they belonged in an AI Semi Final. This year I have no doubt that they believe they are able and ready to challenge for the All Ireland. I don't think we have the forwards to do it ultimately but neither do I think we'll give it up to Dublin easily.

Cavan had all those players in the Hastings Cup is what I mean. Cavan beat Roscommon in Roscommon during the Hastings Cup with those players playing or being involved, Obviously they weren't involved in Ulster but coming up a side like Roscomon who were hard beaten in the Hastings, Cavan were going to struggle. Wouldn't say Cavan powered past Tyrone in Ulster final that year, there was only a kick of a ball in it. Tyrone had no Ronan O Neill that year either through injury

We dealt with Tyrone as comfortably as we ever have in our underage meetings, penalty in the first minute and never looked back. We sat back a bit towards the end but Killian Clarke was imperious in the full back line, it was 100% more comfortable than the final the previous year and Cavan never looked like losing the lead. You seem to put a lot of focus on the players teams are without Rodney..

Just saying it as it is Westside, Were you at the Hastings Cup that year?

This will be a very quiet thread by this time next week if Roscommon and Cavan both get beaten on Saturday. I don't recall any contributions here from anyone from Dublin and Cork.

Well you're not really, we have no idea what effect the absence or presence of certain players would have had on the outcome of games. Noting who was missing means very little.

I wasn't at the Hastings Cup but I don't see what it has to do with the All Ireland Semi Final between the two teams? Different competition, different mindset, has no relevance.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 15, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
This will be a very quiet thread by this time next week if Roscommon and Cavan both get beaten on Saturday. I don't recall any contributions here from anyone from Dublin and Cork.

Is there such a thing as a Cork U21 football fan? :-X

Amazed that a county that can produce so many fine footballers can have such poor support. 95% Ros-Cavan support in the stands on Saturday.

Maybe not for you, but its and indicator for the championship giving  belief to a team, Roscommon were tough beaten then when Cavan had a stronger out. Cavan coped well with the dogged Ulster football that year  but when getting out of Ulster has been the problem. Cavan were comfortabe last year against Donegal, I wouldn't say it was a great Cavan performance last year against Cork, last 15 minutes when a few tactical changes were made and they went direcent was when Cavan troubled Cork

It's an indicator, the Championship is the Championship and the real proof of a team is in that game. Are you telling me Cavan were better prepared, more hungry, put out a better side and in general were a more formidable outfit in the Hastings Cup than in the Chamionship?

They started the strongest team available against Roscommon that year, as it was a good test ahead of the championship.. Obviously injuries affected the team in the championship from the hastings cup game, and thats the point i was making

Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 09:46:49 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 15, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
This will be a very quiet thread by this time next week if Roscommon and Cavan both get beaten on Saturday. I don't recall any contributions here from anyone from Dublin and Cork.

Is there such a thing as a Cork U21 football fan? :-X

Amazed that a county that can produce so many fine footballers can have such poor support. 95% Ros-Cavan support in the stands on Saturday.

It's a strange one alright. I have a lot of relations down there. They are GAA mad, especially football, but never ever leave the county to watch a game. Killarney would even be seen as a step too far.

I am a Corkfan. The club scene in Cork is very active at the moment. I live in area where we have girls and boys club, hurling and football. On any given  weekend we have over 200 kids training on two different days. We try to have one coach for 6 players. Loads of games too  and the county championship started a few weeks ago in Senior and it is nearly over in under 21. That does not stop just because we have Seniors or under 21s in action on the Intercounty scene.

Quote from: marym on April 16, 2014, 09:21:02 AM
I am a Corkfan. The club scene in Cork is very active at the moment. I live in area where we have girls and boys club, hurling and football. On any given  weekend we have over 200 kids training on two different days. We try to have one coach for 6 players. Loads of games too  and the county championship started a few weeks ago in Senior and it is nearly over in under 21. That does not stop just because we have Seniors or under 21s in action on the Intercounty scene.

That might be some bit of an excuse but when you compare the population of Cork to Cavan or Ros then I think its a poor one. Last years semi I don't think I even saw a Cork supporter.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 15, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
This will be a very quiet thread by this time next week if Roscommon and Cavan both get beaten on Saturday. I don't recall any contributions here from anyone from Dublin and Cork.

I'm probably very much in the minority here, but I don't care a whole heap about the U21 competition.

Going out early last year v Longford was, without doubt in my opinion, a good thing for Dublin. It allowed Mannion, McCaffrey and Kilkenny a clear run at building up intercounty experience in the National League. Even without the U21 exertions all 3 probably ran out of steam a bit towards the end of the year, but all made massive contributions during the championship.

I would much prefer the likes of McCaffrey, Mannion and Costello to be giving full exertions to the senior team this year, and free up their spaces in the U21 panel to other promising lads.

Now I will watch them on the telly at the weekend and cheer them on and hope they win while its on. But if they lose it means the better lads will be available for the NFL final. Also it means the first round of the club championship won't be postponed and will go ahead the week after the NFL final, so the cloud will have a couple of silver linings

Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2014, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 15, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
This will be a very quiet thread by this time next week if Roscommon and Cavan both get beaten on Saturday. I don't recall any contributions here from anyone from Dublin and Cork.

I'm probably very much in the minority here, but I don't care a whole heap about the U21 competition.

Going out early last year v Longford was, without doubt in my opinion, a good thing for Dublin. It allowed Mannion, McCaffrey and Kilkenny a clear run at building up intercounty experience in the National League. Even without the U21 exertions all 3 probably ran out of steam a bit towards the end of the year, but all made massive contributions during the championship.

I would much prefer the likes of McCaffrey, Mannion and Costello to be giving full exertions to the senior team this year, and free up their spaces in the U21 panel to other promising lads.

Now I will watch them on the telly at the weekend and cheer them on and hope they win while its on. But if they lose it means the better lads will be available for the NFL final. Also it means the first round of the club championship won't be postponed and will go ahead the week after the NFL final, so the cloud will have a couple of silver linings

Without the work at underage and indeed at underage county in particular Dublin would have been the same experts in over-expectation and under-delivery they were between 1996 and 2009 the past three years.

I hope more Dublin people think like you because it will cut the wave of momentum that Dublin have from underneath them. Just because you have a few good prospects now doesn't mean you can think of taking the focus off underage. You'll only set yourself up for more failure at senior, and failure that means a lot more than a league final.

Well I was at  two under 21 Games last year. I was at 4 inter county Senior hurling games and 3 Senior football games along with 4 Ladies games.A lot of the football support is deep in West Cork and they would have another 2 to three hours to travel after Cork city . The hurling support is nearer the city and while I follow both most people wouldn't.

Think Cork people will be very slow to follow Cork footballers until they defeat Kerry in a BIG GAME at Croke Park in the championship.
Having said that those that there were there for the 2010 final made way more noise than the Down fans who greatly outnumbered them.

Hello Marym, do you have a view on this match on Saturday? Do ye in Cork know much about this Roscommon team?

Quote from: marym on April 16, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
Well I was at  two under 21 Games last year. I was at 4 inter county Senior hurling games and 3 Senior football games along with 4 Ladies games.A lot of the football support is deep in West Cork and they would have another 2 to three hours to travel after Cork city . The hurling support is nearer the city and while I follow both most people wouldn't.

Most Cork lads I know follow both marym, though generally they prefer one or the other. I think the support the footballers get is a real shame and can't be justified on any grounds. While west Cork is a good trip, there are thousands of Cork folk living in and around Dublin, many of whom will be clamouring for tickets later in the year if Cork meet Dublin in an All Ireland QF or better. I thought Sunday was especially disappointing as this Cork team has been playing great football and just hammered Kerry in Tralee, so a bit of a buzz should be there.

The semi this Saturday should be a great game and I'm looking forward to it more than the second game which I think might end up a poor spectacle for the neutral. I expect the Cork/Ros game to be a cracker though.

I remember a few years ago after my team had beaten a team from Cork down there. I got speaking to a Corkman who congratulated me on the teams success but then qualified his remark by saying ''Sure football is only a game for bad hurlers''.

Galway are as bad. When we lost to them in 2011 final the support they brought was pathetic. Hard to understand it.

The question on the Cavan v Dublin game I think comes down to how good Cavans defense is and how good Dublins forwards are. In my opinion if we can keep Dublin to a total of 12 points or so then we can win this game. My fear is that Dublin have a lot of advantages, many of which are down right unfair. The venue for one is a joke, a total sop to Dublin. The fact that they played their Leinster final a week before we played Ulster is also an advantage, they should be fresher and of course Dessie Farrell was able to attend the Ulster final and see what Donegal did to counter us.

My gut feeling is that despite all that, we will match Dublin at midfield and minus the creativity of Kilkenny Dublin might struggle against our defense. McVitty will surely do a man marking job on McCaffrey. Our full back line has kept McCurry and McBrearty quiet - there are hardly many better forwards at this level. If Dublin come onto us and we can turn them over and counter I think we could hit 15 points if we manage a goal.

This Cavan team really really want to win this out. I think it will be the last of our really strong U21 teams. If hunger and organisation are whats needed we have it in spades. Cavan by 1 or 2, maybe after extra time.

What changes would you make myles? I'd drop Bouchier and bring in Byrne or Hessin and let Argue take the frees. Or else bring in Galligan who is a good free taker too and offers good pace. Smith is probably pacier than McVeety for marking McCaffery but we want him free to play.

In relation to the Cork under 21 team, they seem to be handy enough but their best player Cathal Vaughan has not played with them yet this year due to injury. They have a few of the UCC winning Sigerson team.

They have 4 from UCC, Conor Dorman kicked the late winning score in the Sigerson final being one.7 of the team started in the all Ireland Semi last year against Cavan

Some churn and yet they're still there again this year. The Cork manager had a bit of a go at the football on offer in the Ulster final in his interview with the Roscommon Herald this week. He also said that when people think of Connacht football they think of Galway and Mayo so he was on a bit of a roll.

Even though managers tend to play silly beggars before matches I'd tend to believe both managers are planning on keeping their word and playing attacking football on Saturday, both teams are at their best playing that sort of game.

These lads have had a hell of a lot of near misses at minor and U21 in recent years so I'd absolutely love them to be able to wash away their regrets with a win - their attitude, skill and perpetration has already made a massive impact on the senior team and just about everyone associated with Roscommon football is extremely proud of our young men.

I know they have more than enough talent to do it.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 16, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
They have 4 from UCC, Conor Dorman kicked the late winning score in the Sigerson final being one.7 of the team started in the all Ireland Semi last year against Cavan

Conor Dorman,Ian Maguire,Sean Kiely who am i missing?

Still have a good spine down the middle from last years team. The Cork team was named earlier, Mark Sugre at centre forward did a lot of damage against Cavan last year, very physical player. Alan Cadogan brother of Eoin is a handy corner forward, and Dan McEoin in the other corner. Strong midfield with Ian Maguire, Conor Dorman at full back.

You were missing Alan Cadogan

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 16, 2014, 11:50:20 PM
You were missing Alan Cadogan

Suspended for sigerson cup final wasn't he?

Brian O Driscoll was half forward with UCC my bad..Don't think Cadogan played with the footballers this year, played with Ucc hurlers though. Alan Cronin was suspened

Kiely, Dorman.O Driscoll and Maguire were the 4

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 17, 2014, 12:00:11 AM
Brian O Driscoll was half forward with UCC my bad..Don't think Cadogan played with the footballers this year, played with Ucc hurlers though. Alan Cronin was suspened

Kiely, Dorman.O Driscoll and Maguire were the 4

Read on the Cork forums Cadogan chose U21 county football to be the extent of his football commitments this year because of the time constraints of being a dual player.

Roscommon have injury problems ahead of Saturday, all in the half back line. Another poster a few pages back, told us half a story about one of the U-21's who had got injured training with the senior team last week. For reasons best known to himself, he declined to name the player. The player in question is Conor Daly who has a hamstring injury and is almost certain to miss out. Fintan Kelly is definitly out, whilst Fintan Sweeney hasn't trained since the Connacht Final. Unless i'm mistaken, these three formed our starting half back line against Mayo.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 17, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
Roscommon have injury problems ahead of Saturday, all in the half back line. Another poster a few pages back, told us half a story about one of the U-21's who had got injured training with the senior team last week. For reasons best known to himself, he declined to name the player. The player in question is Conor Daly who has a hamstring injury and is almost certain to miss out. Fintan Kelly is definitly out, whilst Fintan Sweeney hasn't trained since the Connacht Final. Unless i'm mistaken, these three formed our starting half back line against Mayo.

They did but John Mac was the captain and missed that game through injury. We already knew Kelly was out and they are minding Sweeney who has an ankle/foot injury.

The extent of Conor's injury is the one I want to know more about. Always lots of Chinese whispers in this county before every big match, wouldn't be assuming he's out just yet. He's one of the best young players in the country and can play pretty much anywhere in the two half lines.

We do have lads like his brother and last year's minor captain, Ronan, or Conor Hussey so we're not stuck for talent, indeed starting someone like Kiloran, who has impressed at midfield but who maybe looks more suited to HB or HF on this team is an option as Nigel is conservative with regards starting players just out of minor.

Still, Conor would be a big loss so I hope he can pull through. We're not the only team with a few injuries.

Syferus, have you heard the story about how Daly got injured? Supposedly happened while doing a fitness test, with the senior team, a week before an All Ireland semi final.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 17, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
Syferus, have you heard the story about how Daly got injured? Supposedly happened while doing a fitness test, with the senior team, a week before an All Ireland semi final.

That's what I heard, and the full rumour was even worse, saying Evans will play the U21s against Cavan in the league final even if we beat Cork.

I think Johneen has done some fine work with the seniors over the last year and a half and he certainly is not the only manager in the county bring reckless with young players. That said, these are the times where the county board need to have regulations that take these decisions out of managers' and players' (who will feel compelled to do what is asked lest they lose their places).

It's a miracle lads like Conor, Murt, Nally or Enda Smith have any chance of featuring on Saturday with the grueling schedules and competing influences they have to juggle.

I totally agree with you.

Quote from: Westside on April 16, 2014, 11:14:01 PM
What changes would you make myles? I'd drop Bouchier and bring in Byrne or Hessin and let Argue take the frees. Or else bring in Galligan who is a good free taker too and offers good pace. Smith is probably pacier than McVeety for marking McCaffery but we want him free to play.

I've only seen them once in the final, the venues didn't suit me midweek. I also had to take half day from work to make the final so I'm not as well informed on this team as I was on some of the others. Yes Bouchier was poor and his frees didn't inspire confidence but maybe he is doing well in training, maybe there is a big game in him. I'm happy with the management team and I'd back whatever they think is right. The one big concern I have is no left footed free taker. If Dublin have taken notice of this, and I am sure they have, they won't have much fear of conceding frees on one side of the field. Hayes is a great prospect but is he strong enough to start the whole game? Again i defer to Peter Reilly on that one. I'd love to see Madden back in there, he has the potential to be the main man but something is not right there. Maybe its injuries or maybe he doesn't work hard enough but whatever it is I'd love to see him sort it out and because he could make a big impact on the game. The fact he took one of the sub jerseys in the final must mean he is not too far from fitness.

Madden pulled the hamstring when he came on against Monaghan.  Won't be involved. O Donnell would be an asset with the left footed frees,  as there is no left foot taker in the side at present, putting more pressure on Bouchier

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 17, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
Madden pulled the hamstring when he came on against Monaghan.  Won't be involved. O Donnell would be an asset with the left footed frees,  as there is no left foot taker in the side at present, putting more pressure on Bouchier

Rodney, Madden was named as a sub the last day. Fairly sure he was togged. If he was togged and given that there are a ball of players that dont even make the bench, then surely he was there as he had made some sort of recovery from the hamstring. If you follow my logic then he must be a bit closer to full fitness by now.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 17, 2014, 10:11:55 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 17, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
Madden pulled the hamstring when he came on against Monaghan.  Won't be involved. O Donnell would be an asset with the left footed frees,  as there is no left foot taker in the side at present, putting more pressure on Bouchier

Rodney, Madden was named as a sub the last day. Fairly sure he was togged. If he was togged and given that there are a ball of players that dont even make the bench, then surely he was there as he had made some sort of recovery from the hamstring. If you follow my logic then he must be a bit closer to full fitness by now.

From what I was told he wouldn't be involved anyway. But yeah I know what you mean. It was said that he would be out for 6 weeks. He started against Derry, but wasn't that good, work rate lets him down. Made an impact against Tyrone when came on, was only on 5 against Monaghan when the Hamstring flared.

It would be great  have him available..

Best of luck to Cavan on Saturday, hope they win. Due to the passionate support of both counties, i hope it will be a Roscommon v Cavan Final. Right now, i think it would mean more to those 2 counties.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 17, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
Best of luck to Cavan on Saturday, hope they win. Due to the passionate support of both counties, i hope it will be a Roscommon v Cavan Final. Right now, i think it would mean more to those 2 counties.

The GAA would love it. We brought 9,000 to the 2012 final and Cavan would bring the same.

Something we can all agree on at last!

Is TG 4 showing the games on Saturday

Quote from: gortnaleck on April 18, 2014, 01:32:42 AM
Is TG 4 showing the games on Saturday

Yip. 3pm and 4:45pm thrown ins.

Our senior championship game against Leitrim is only 4 weeks away. Yes its not right to be doing fitness tests with U-21s before AI semi final however Evans has gone on record to say the senior team is the flagship & he wants the senior panel as best prepared as possible.

As for Saturday the team should be published later today. Kelly,Sweeney out. A hamstring strain for Conor Daly but expected to start along side his brother in half back line. Ultan Harney to be given a start also. Two well matched teams in what should be a high scoring exciting game. The very best of luck to the young Rossies on Saturday.

Quote from: ross4life on April 18, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Our senior championship game against Leitrim is only 4 weeks away. Yes its not right to be doing fitness tests with U-21s before AI semi final however Evans has gone on record to say the senior team is the flagship & he wants the senior panel as best prepared as possible.

As for Saturday the team should be published later today. Kelly,Sweeney out. A hamstring strain for Conor Daly but expected to start along side his brother in half back line. Ultan Harney to be given a start also. Two well matched teams in what should be a high scoring exciting game. The very best of luck to the young Rossies on Saturday.

But why would you be testing the fitness of a lad that has played an insane amount of football so far this year? Isn't that the opposite of being as prepared as possible?

To be as prepared as possible would to have a balance so that players aren't burnt out or injured in April in a season that hopefully stretches into Autumn. It's like Evans and other managers operate in a vacuum where perspective outside of what's happening in that given camp is completely lacking.

I've heard John trot out the flagship line. Get this - right now the U21s are the flagship county team and will be until their season ends. The seniors had their job done in mid-March. I'm pretty sure everyone in Roscommon would take even a shot at winning the U21 AI over beating Cavan in the league final and, really, Evans needs to accept and understand that.

A HB trio of John Mac flanked by the two Dalys will make for a hell of a lot of pace and attacking intent from that line. Ronan would probably be starting already most other years but with John Mac, his brother and Kelly and Sweeney (all in their final year, unless Sweeney has one left?) showing well converting to HB there just wasn't the room for the younger Daly. A lot of his performances at minor were stellar - that day in Tuam in 2012 remains one of the most remarkable performances I've seen by any Roscommon player. Bould old Tadgh has been inviting him to all sorts of AFL training camps in recent years too. Some stage for him to shine on.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
The question on the Cavan v Dublin game I think comes down to how good Cavans defense is and how good Dublins forwards are. In my opinion if we can keep Dublin to a total of 12 points or so then we can win this game. My fear is that Dublin have a lot of advantages, many of which are down right unfair. The venue for one is a joke, a total sop to Dublin. The fact that they played their Leinster final a week before we played Ulster is also an advantage, they should be fresher and of course Dessie Farrell was able to attend the Ulster final and see what Donegal did to counter us.

My gut feeling is that despite all that, we will match Dublin at midfield and minus the creativity of Kilkenny Dublin might struggle against our defense. McVitty will surely do a man marking job on McCaffrey. Our full back line has kept McCurry and McBrearty quiet - there are hardly many better forwards at this level. If Dublin come onto us and we can turn them over and counter I think we could hit 15 points if we manage a goal.

This Cavan team really really want to win this out. I think it will be the last of our really strong U21 teams. If hunger and organisation are whats needed we have it in spades. Cavan by 1 or 2, maybe after extra time.

I cant see you keeping us to 12 points. If you do you're right you'll probably win but I cant see us scoring less then that. All our midfielders and half backs can score too. By sitting back you're essentially giving our defenders and excuse to attack. An excuse many of them don't need.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 18, 2014, 10:29:35 AM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 16, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
The question on the Cavan v Dublin game I think comes down to how good Cavans defense is and how good Dublins forwards are. In my opinion if we can keep Dublin to a total of 12 points or so then we can win this game. My fear is that Dublin have a lot of advantages, many of which are down right unfair. The venue for one is a joke, a total sop to Dublin. The fact that they played their Leinster final a week before we played Ulster is also an advantage, they should be fresher and of course Dessie Farrell was able to attend the Ulster final and see what Donegal did to counter us.

My gut feeling is that despite all that, we will match Dublin at midfield and minus the creativity of Kilkenny Dublin might struggle against our defense. McVitty will surely do a man marking job on McCaffrey. Our full back line has kept McCurry and McBrearty quiet - there are hardly many better forwards at this level. If Dublin come onto us and we can turn them over and counter I think we could hit 15 points if we manage a goal.

This Cavan team really really want to win this out. I think it will be the last of our really strong U21 teams. If hunger and organisation are whats needed we have it in spades. Cavan by 1 or 2, maybe after extra time.

I cant see you keeping us to 12 points. If you do you're right you'll probably win but I cant see us scoring less then that. All our midfielders and half backs can score too. By sitting back you're essentially giving our defenders and excuse to attack. An excuse many of them don't need.

You could very well be right Indiana but you did only score 15pts against Meath and I would consider us to be a better defensive unit than Meath. We will just have to see how it pans out on the day.

Quote from: ross4life on April 18, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Our senior championship game against Leitrim is only 4 weeks away. Yes its not right to be doing fitness tests with U-21s before AI semi final however Evans has gone on record to say the senior team is the flagship & he wants the senior panel as best prepared as possible.

As for Saturday the team should be published later today. Kelly,Sweeney out. A hamstring strain for Conor Daly but expected to start along side his brother in half back line. Ultan Harney to be given a start also. Two well matched teams in what should be a high scoring exciting game. The very best of luck to the young Rossies on Saturday.

Forwards supposed to be reshuffled too but I wouldn't pay much heed to the programme numbers there.
I suspect Nigel was worried about midfield so Harney starts to try and get us an early foothold here.
Getting excited but nervous as Cork will be good.
Hopefully we're better and best wishes to all involved.

PS I wonder what sort of fitness tests were we doing that a lad got injured?

PPS Syfín - Senior is the flagship, always was, always will be. Apart from the 2 Counties involved the AI U21 final will be forgotten by the end of May - bit like the League. Mind you I still want to see us winning both.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 18, 2014, 12:53:04 PM

Quote from: ross4life on April 18, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Our senior championship game against Leitrim is only 4 weeks away. Yes its not right to be doing fitness tests with U-21s before AI semi final however Evans has gone on record to say the senior team is the flagship & he wants the senior panel as best prepared as possible.

As for Saturday the team should be published later today. Kelly,Sweeney out. A hamstring strain for Conor Daly but expected to start along side his brother in half back line. Ultan Harney to be given a start also. Two well matched teams in what should be a high scoring exciting game. The very best of luck to the young Rossies on Saturday.

Forwards supposed to be reshuffled too but I wouldn't pay much heed to the programme numbers there.
I suspect Nigel was worried about midfield so Harney starts to try and get us an early foothold here.
Getting excited but nervous as Cork will be good.
Hopefully we're better and best wishes to all involved.

PS I wonder what sort of fitness tests were we doing that a lad got injured?

PPS Syfín - Senior is the flagship, always was, always will be. Apart from the 2 Counties involved the AI U21 final will be forgotten by the end of May - bit like the League. Mind you I still want to see us winning both.

P45 - When the two teams are in competition for players the one that isn't playing the ceremonial game is the one that's most important. All matches were not created equally. This 'flagship' shite was created by Evans as an excuse to use the U21s when he really shouldn't be, nothing more.

Quote from: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 02:16:30 AM

But why would you be testing the fitness of a lad that has played an insane amount of football so far this year? Isn't that the opposite of being as prepared as possible?

To be as prepared as possible would to have a balance so that players aren't burnt out or injured in April in a season that hopefully stretches into Autumn. It's like Evans and other managers operate in a vacuum where perspective outside of what's happening in that given camp is completely lacking.

I've heard John trot out the flagship line. Get this - right now the U21s are the flagship county team and will be until their season ends. The seniors had their job done in mid-March. I'm pretty sure everyone in Roscommon would take even a shot at winning the U21 AI over beating Cavan in the league final and, really, Evans needs to accept and understand that.

Would have to ask the man himself to find answers though at the end of the day Evans is old school as is his right hand man Sheerin. It was a weekend training camp away Conor felt the hamstring strain last Friday & didn't partake other days its a injury that could have happened at U-21 training TBH. Evans and Co are already training the senior panel for the championship football which includes the use of the AIT facilities, at least we seem better prepared than other years.

We're certainly in a better place preparation wise than the last 2 years anyway.
Now if only Evans would listen to Syfín...... Sam would be coming in no time.
Anyway let's sort out tomorrow first.

You can do some things wrong and still be better prepared than we were, that's neither here nor there on this topic.

As I've said before, Evans has done an impressive job overall and is a man who bot knows his football and how to manage a football team.

The problems arise when there are other teams that require 'his' players, and their nemesis more pressing than his. This is a story that plays out at county level throughout the country but one I'd hoped we'd started to learn from. The only thing Conor Daly, Murt, Nally, Kelly, Donie and Enda should be concentrating I with regards football right now should be Cork and the U21 championship.

Let's do this!! Come on Cavan.

Fingers x'd for a good performance today...all roads lead to Portlaoise.
Since I started seeing my other half last year, just after the AIQF, Cavan have only lost 1 game and that was the Mc K Cup final. She wasn't really into the GAA at all before me (I've brought her to a few senior/u-21 games, and have her converted now!) but she thinks that us, going out and winning matches is completely the norm! If only she knew?!  :D
Let's hope she's right, and we pip the Dubs at the post today!

On days like this you think of the people who can't be here, how proud greats like Dermot, Jimmy or Batt Lynch would be today, of people overseas listening in on radios, on the internet, hoping for good news to filter through, and players like Fintan Kelly, Fintan Sweeney, Kevin Finn and Cathal Compton who who have given so much to their counties and would love to be playing today but can't.

The day is beautiful and hopefully the football is more beautiful still.

Up Roscommon.

This is the combination of the best underage group of players we've had in Cavan in a long time, this could well be our Golden generation. Dublin have the superior individual talent but this Cavan side are greater than the sum of their parts. If.. IF we can bring this game to the point that the team who wants it more will win, we will go to the final.

Up Cavan.

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
On days like this you think of the people who can't be here, how proud greats like Dermot, Jimmy or Batt Lynch would be today, of people overseas listening in on radios, on the internet, hoping for good news to filter through, and players like Fintan Kelly, Fintan Sweeney, Kevin Finn and Cathal Compton who who have given so much to their counties and would love to be playing today but can't.

The day is beautiful and hopefully the football is more beautiful still.

Up Roscommon.

Any wind down there?

No predictions, just happy.

Keep 'er lit.

HT Ros 0-11 Cork 0-5. After a very even first 10 minutes Ros have taken over and might be a bit disappointed they are not one or two more ahead. I'm not sure how strong the breeze is but Ros had it in the first half so Cork should have a bit more of the game in the second. In saying that all the main players are Ros men though so Cork have a long road back.

Quote from: theticklemister on April 19, 2014, 03:33:01 PM

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
On days like this you think of the people who can't be here, how proud greats like Dermot, Jimmy or Batt Lynch would be today, of people overseas listening in on radios, on the internet, hoping for good news to filter through, and players like Fintan Kelly, Fintan Sweeney, Kevin Finn and Cathal Compton who who have given so much to their counties and would love to be playing today but can't.

The day is beautiful and hopefully the football is more beautiful still.

Up Roscommon.

Any wind down there?

A bit in our direction to start but it faded a good bit. Nothing too major. It was probably at its strongest when Cork scored those lovely points near the start.

Goal Cork!! 1-6 to 0-12 now.

Cork not getting much love from the ref. A lot of marginal decisions going against them.

Couple of very soft Ros frees keeping Cork at arms length but the tide has turned a bit now.

the ref is giving you everything Syferus

WTF WAS THE ONE FOR????????????????

ref is brutal, where do they get them, Cork will be pissed over last three points(frees)

CADOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!

Cork back in it and Cadogan has looked like he has the beating of his man all day even if he has been living off scrapes.

What a goal!!! Ros probably have done enough now. Ros 1-18 Cork 2-9, around 8 minutes left.

REF WAS A JOKE

2-12 to 1-18 Ros ahead with 3 or 4 minutes left.

Why has the ref stopped the game, weren't they told not to hold up the game for minor injuries?

Quote from: theticklemister on April 19, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
REF WAS A JOKE

Was pretty bad alright. Especially that first time Cork got it back to 2. He gave Roscommon everything for the next 10 minutes to pull away again. He's giving Cork a few frees now towards the end to balance the ledger.

still Ffinn Cork

Overall thought Roscommon were the better team especially round the midfield area, and scored more, the goals killed them, the Roscommon goal was class!

was that a free??????????????

Havent been as disgusted in a refereeing performance in a long time

Cork player didn't pick that. Ball was stuck between his knees. Ref just handed the game back to Roscommon. Some performance from the man with the whistle.

That ref was biggest disgrace i have ever seen, just won ros the match, some disgraceful decisions against cork. i thought at the start of the second half he was bias but when cork equalised the 2 frees to hand ros the win were a disgrace. sick of seeing refs win matches

jesus even in extra time he screwed Cork, the free at midfield and the free for the point.he should be stood down.

What a finish!!!! But the ref really screwed Cork. Ros the better team over the 60 minutes but ref made some very poor calls especially at vital stages.

YES it was a free. Tripped Smith, albeit accidentally but no free given.

The Cork player then picked the ball off his ground using his knees - this is illegal - a technical foul - and the correct award is a free kick.

who was the p***k

Thought the ref to win it might have been a free but the one in midfield just prior was nothing at all.

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 19, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
Cork player didn't pick that. Ball was stuck between his knees. Ref just handed the game back to Roscommon. Some performance from the man with the whistle.

Rule 4.3 of the official guide - Every days a school day

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Official%20Guide%202014%20Part%20II(1).pdf

Absolutely incredible match. Lost in emotion. Murt's point to win it was almost as shocking as Cork's third goal.

These lads are something special. Win the damn thing now!

Thems the rules boys.

Numerous times we were fouled coming out with the ball and got nothing.

Hon the Ros

Quote from: neilthemac on April 19, 2014, 04:36:25 PM
Thems the rules boys.

Numerous times we were fouled coming out with the ball and got nothing.

Hon the Ros

Don't think ye were to be fair. The free at the end was probably justified but the free in the middle of the park just prior to that was a joke. I think it's fair to say Roscommon came out the better of the refereeing decisions.

Best side over 60mins won in truth we should have been out of sight at half time. If we defend like today in final we will be beaten. Congrats to the rossies

Much different game developing here. Cavan uber defensive.

I expect an odd cavan man to see black cards the day, is this the only team left in gaelic football playing defensive football

Dublin though dont seem to have a gameplan to counter ths style though leaving it more up to individual players to break down the blanket instead of going long over the top of it.

Still think Dublin will win this with a few points to spare. They seem to be well able for the Cavan attackers one on one so they can continue to push on and this will see them through I think. Sounds like there are few if any Dubs there to support the team though!

The whinging and crying from Sligonian and Galway Bay Boy is nauseating. Neither one of them had a word to contribute in the weeks beforehand. Now they turn into spokesmen for Cork by blaming the referee because their neighbouring county have reached an All Ireland Final. Have ye nothing to say about Murtagh's ten points, about what was a mighty game. After the game, 2 Cork men sitting in front of me, shook my hand as they got up to go home. They wished us luck in the final and said the best team won today. Gracious to the last. Then i log on here to see two of our neighbours attributing our win to the referee.

Cavan have some excellent players there, notably 8 and 15. I don't know why they are set up so defensively.

The Cavan fans cheering when Mannion missed a free is a bit much. It's u21 ffs.

C'mon the Cavan buckaroos. Seriously good defensive team, they read the game beautifully. Even though the inside forwards are undersized and out-numbered they have the beating of their men.

Genuinely want Cavan to win and it has nothing to do with playing us - if anything I think we 'd match up better against Dublin's style of play.

Your surely not surprised by those two are you shredness?

Ah in fairness Shrewdness it was the standout feature when watching the game. In saying that, Roscommon undoubtedly deserved to win and were the better team. It was also a cracking game and I can well understand the joy Roscommon fans feel at the moment but the ref was tough on Cork, of that there is no doubt. I hope ye win it and I was delighted ye beat Cork today but, as a neutral, the ref gave a few handy ones.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 19, 2014, 05:14:01 PM
The whinging and crying from Sligonian and Galway Bay Boy is nauseating. Neither one of them had a word to contribute in the weeks beforehand. Now they turn into spokesmen for Cork by blaming the referee because their neighbouring county have reached an All Ireland Final. Have ye nothing to say about Murtagh's ten points, about what was a mighty game. After the game, 2 Cork men sitting in front of me, shook my hand as they got up to go home. They wished us luck in the final and said the best team won today. Gracious to the last. Then i log on here to see two of our neighbours attributing our win to the referee.

Wind your neck in. I couldn't care less who won. I don't even like Cork ffs. However IN MY OPINION they came out on the wrong side of a lot of refereeing decisions during the 2nd half of that game. It happens. Who cares? Ye won. Go out and celebrate in the good weather.

As for not saying a word before now. I'm only commentating today because the game is televised.  I hadn't seen any other U-21's games before today. That OK with you?

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
What a finish!!!! But the ref really screwed Cork. Ros the better team over the 60 minutes but ref made some very poor calls especially at vital stages.

The free in midfield in the lead up to the winning point, not the free for the pick up with the knees, was the one Cork should be arguing about, because that was an awful decision.

However Dan MacEoin stole at least three yards for Cork's free kick goal and it should have been retaken.

Roscommon were clearly the better team and deserved to win.

Cavan 2 up @ HT, and still 6/4 to win with Boylesports!

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
What a finish!!!! But the ref really screwed Cork. Ros the better team over the 60 minutes but ref made some very poor calls especially at vital stages.

Agree

in fairness the ref was brutal, and while Roscommon were the better team for the hour, three frees that led to points for them after the cork cam from fantom fouls. in addition, the free that was awarded at midfield after the Cork equalizing goal was equally mind boggling.

however, if i were a Roscommon man, I would be very happy in the knowledge that at least six of those players appear to be good enough for senior.

Wing backs Brady (Cavan) and Lowndes (Dublin) are the two outstanding players here today but the game is poor overall.

Cavan might want this a bit more.

never heard As much booing at free takers in a u-21 game and its not the dubs,show some class!!

Ref is getting some pelters walking off the field.

Showing all your class at the end there lads!! oops

Cavan look like bad losers there.

good job there were only 10 cork supporters at the first game

just Look??

Saw the last 5 ... Definite free Cavan can have no complaints. Kicked the ball out of play when they had a chance to get the point back.

They're coming off as very bad losers!

McHugh MOM?? Lowndes the best Dublin player by a country mile.

thought that was a very soft free for the dubs to win it.

A few Cavan players and fans making a show of themselves at the end.

the ref in first game was 100 times worse!!!!!!

the ref was grand

Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2014, 06:09:46 PM
A few Cavan players and fans making a show of themselves at the end.

Not used to losing at this level but they had plenty of chances in the second half and didn't take them.

We lost that game because we stopped playing football with about 10 minutes to go and decided to start buying frees, going down easy. The Dubs nullified our inside men in the second half and we had no plan B and took poor shots from bad areas on the pitch. We ran out of steam too. The Dubs kicked 15 odd wides I'd say and were fairly poor throughout but still won.

We can feel rightly aggrieved that the ref blew up at exactly 62 minutes despite there being at least a 40 second injury in that injury time but seeing players and mentors as well as supporters going after the referee on the field after the game is disgraceful, added to that the booing of the free taker.. Well I'm ashamed of the Cavan support and elements of the team management.

Conor Moynagh should never have came back on.

Quote from: Westside on April 19, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
We lost that game because we stopped playing football with about 10 minutes to go and decided to start buying frees, going down easy. The Dubs nullified our inside men in the second half and we had no plan B and took poor shots from bad areas on the pitch. We ran out of steam too. The Dubs kicked 15 odd wides I'd say and were fairly poor throughout but still won.

We can feel rightly aggrieved that the ref blew up at exactly 62 minutes despite there being at least a 40 second injury in that injury time but seeing players and mentors as well as supporters going after the referee on the field after the game is disgraceful, added to that the booing of the free taker.. Well I'm ashamed of the Cavan support and elements of the team management.

Conor Moynagh should never have came back on.

he gave away a stupid free with 3 mins to go. great player but.

McCafferty the county man but the No.5 on the other side seems to be a better player than him, the no.6 is fairly decent too, I can see why the dubs go on about Costello, looks a dangerous player, Mannion was poor enough,  Roscommon to me will start favourites and if the dubs kick as many wides the next day Roscommon will will it

great excitement overall today.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2014, 06:33:04 PM
McCafferty the county man but the No.5 on the other side seems to be a better player than him, the no.6 is fairly decent too, I can see why the dubs go on about Costello, looks a dangerous player, Mannion was poor enough,  Roscommon to me will start favourites and if the dubs kick as many wides the next day Roscommon will will it

More Cavan players on McCaffreys side of the pitch denying him space to run into.
When Lowndes was coming forward he had acres of room in front of him.
Looks a very good player though.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2014, 06:33:04 PM
McCafferty the county man but the No.5 on the other side seems to be a better player than him, the no.6 is fairly decent too, I can see why the dubs go on about Costello, looks a dangerous player, Mannion was poor enough,  Roscommon to me will start favourites and if the dubs kick as many wides the next day Roscommon will will it

think about it..............

1.Roscommon played excellent football
2.The ref gave them everything
3.Cork were dreadful

.......... And they only won by a point.

I think the Dubs have more in the locker

Congratulations to Roscommon today, a fine footballing side and Murtagh looks like he'll be a superstar. It might help our cause next Saturday evening.

Lovely free carton on the those Cadbury's chocolate moose eggs for the brave souls that made it in early.

Jaysus, it was a lovely day altogether.

Commiserations to the Cavan lads, you have the best young backs in the entire country.

Don't know if Murtagh or Smith will be superstars, both looked very one sided to me and that's a bad sign at this level, you have to be two footed at senior.

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Don't know if Murtagh or Smith will be superstars, both looked very one sided to me and that's a bad sign at this level, you have to be two footed at senior.

Both players can score from either side. Murtagh plays on the wrong side at senior and has done similar to what he did today against senior teams. All from a player that was playing minor last September.

Actually thought Murt had a slow start and should have at least one goal but he showed up when it mattered most. He's automatic in the big moments. Donie's just back from injury, he was what Murt is this year the last two years and is only touching on his best again now.

Quote from: theticklemister on April 19, 2014, 06:41:12 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2014, 06:33:04 PM
McCafferty the county man but the No.5 on the other side seems to be a better player than him, the no.6 is fairly decent too, I can see why the dubs go on about Costello, looks a dangerous player, Mannion was poor enough,  Roscommon to me will start favourites and if the dubs kick as many wides the next day Roscommon will will it

think about it..............

1.Roscommon played excellent football
2.The ref gave them everything
3.Cork were dreadful

.......... And they only won by a point.

I think the Dubs have more in the locker

roscommon conceded 3-12 that's far from playing excellent though fully deserved the win. Cavan had beating of Dublin they just didn't have the forwards hard luck to them

I've watched Donie for a few years now and he's very impressive, Murtagh is less well known to me but was class today. However, both seemed very reluctant to shoot on the weaker foot and it's an area they need to improve if they want to be senior footballers of note. Neither were a Brian Hurley today.

Load of bull westside. Buying frees, what are you on about? The game was lost due to Dillon seeing black card and Dublin's 13 not. Also moynaghs injury was huge turning point.

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
I've watched Donie for a few years now and he's very impressive, Murtagh is less well known to me but was class today. However, both seemed very reluctant to shoot on the weaker foot and it's an area they need to improve if they want to be senior footballers of note. Neither were a Brian Hurley today.

Brian Hurley is a superstar now?

Every player has a dominant foot. What I love about Murtagh is his composure. He gets the ball and he rarely rushes it if nothing is on. His talent on frees is obvious but he can also play-make from the wing, not least the game breaking one he set up for Conor Daly against Sligo this year. The lad's barely hit 19. All he needs to do is keep working hard and he has a very bright future.

Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2014, 07:14:14 PM
Load of bull westside. Buying frees, what are you on about? The game was lost due to Dillon seeing black card and Dublin's 13 not. Also moynaghs injury was huge turning point.

If you seen the incident on TV, the Cavan player clearly has a hold of Dublin No 13s jersey and hauls him to the ground with him.

Dubs were very poor in first half. I think Cavan only scored one point in 2nd half.

QuoteBrian Hurley is a superstar now?

Every player has a dominant foot. What I love about Murtagh is his composure. He gets the ball and he rarely rushes it if nothing is on. His talent on frees is obvious but he can also play-make from the wing, not least the game breaking one he set up for Conor Daly against Sligo this year. The lad's barely hit 19. All he needs to do is keep working hard and he has a very bright future.

Brian Hurley has been been a star for a while now. I hope the two boys become huge stars but today they looked a bit one-sided. I they are not, then great, if they are then they need to work on it.

Hard luck to the genuine Cavan buckos.............................. some of your players and fans  :-X desperate stuff

Dillon deserved to go, stupid tackle in the corner. Moynagh pulled the Dublin player down along with him and was lucky not to see black himself. Fortune dived for a free. We didn't have it up front to win, simple as that. Game was in the melting pot and we didn't have a go to forward. Cian Byrne took a Hail Mary, Graham kicked with his bad foot from an area he was never going to score from, Moynagh with a crazy decision tried to hit a ball from the outside of his right almost on the end line to the left of goal and was blocked down.

Besides that, the ref was shite. Costello goes down on Brady with his knees right in front of the ref and ref does nothing. Dubious use of the advantage rule for the winning score and the worst of all, blowing up right at 2 minutes in injury time when there had been an injury within that time. He was bad. But we lost that game ourselves.

Well done Dubs for a really dogged performance – it's become a feature of Dublin teams at all levels.

However, you'll really need to raise your game if you are to stand a chance against Roscommon who are a class team.

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Don't know if Murtagh or Smith will be superstars, both looked very one sided to me and that's a bad sign at this level, you have to be two footed at senior.

True, at one point in the 2nd half Murtagh was forced onto his right, straight in front of goal and about 30m out.
Did not look happy and dropped it short.

From the 40 odd players today, some of whom have All Ireland medals, Murtagh was by far the best player on show.

Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2014, 07:14:14 PM
Load of bull westside. Buying frees, what are you on about? The game was lost due to Dillon seeing black card and Dublin's 13 not. Also moynaghs injury was huge turning point.

You lost the game because you played negative football for the whole game. That was a victory for Gaelic Football today. You had two inside forwards who were taking the Dublin full back line to the cleaners and you refused to kick it into them more often.

We were very poor and probably deserved to lose. But Cavan lost the game due to the ridiculous tactics they employed today. Had they pushed on in the last 10 minutes and shown an ounce of conviction thye'd have won the game. Nothing to do with the ref.

Anyway we'll be raging underdogs in the final. Hard to see us beating Roscommon really but sure we'll travrel anyway and try and give them a game.

Roscommon's to lose really. Hope the hype doesn't get to them.

Quit talking bollox Indiana, our defensive plan kept us in the game for so long, Dublin played more defensively in the second half and we couldn't get our inside forwards on the ball. We didn't have the complete set of forwards to win it. You sound like Pat Spillane.

Also when you say "we'll travel" will you just be taking the one car again or will you and the other supporter from today go separately?

Quote from: Westside on April 19, 2014, 08:07:01 PM
From the 40 odd players today, some of whom have All Ireland medals, Murtagh was by far the best player on show.

And the poor lad's hammy has been bothering him!

Quote from: Westside on April 19, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Quit talking bollox Indiana, our defensive plan kept us in the game for so long, Dublin played more defensively in the second half and we couldn't get our inside forwards on the ball. We didn't have the complete set of forwards to win it. You sound like Pat Spillane.

Also when you say "we'll travel" will you just be taking the one car again or will you and the other supporter from today go separately?

Its not bollox at all. I'm not reinventing the wheel here- but you were 2 up with 9 minutes to go and you were in the ascendency and you sat back and lost. No point using foul mouthed and abusive language towards the referee at the end of the game when you were solely responsible for you own downfall today. Your forwards were tearing us asunder in the first half.

As regards my travel arrangements for the final I heard a rumour today that a Cavan fan was spotted buying petrol in Portlaoise today.

Quote from: Westside on April 19, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Quit talking bollox Indiana, our defensive plan kept us in the game for so long, Dublin played more defensively in the second half and we couldn't get our inside forwards on the ball. We didn't have the complete set of forwards to win it. You sound like Pat Spillane.

Also when you say "we'll travel" will you just be taking the one car again or will you and the other supporter from today go separately?

Your sarcasam detector is clearly on the blink.

If the Dublin fans had carried on like those so called "Cavan fans" today they would have a thread of their own with people lining up to give them a kicking. Whatever about senior, but that was an U21 game for f**ks sake!

Dublin kicked a ridiculous amounts of wides & still won the game. Some of the first half wides were really poor.

Cavan's tactics played into dublin's hands towards the end. By playing so defensively with such a small lead is asking for trouble. Any team that plays so negatively is always going to be involved on close games. In the end Dublin had that bit more class/composure up front to get the job done.

Finally it's great for the Dublin lads to reach the final. Be a great day out for them & their friends/families. Hopefully they will play the game in Croke Park as Dublin will be huge underdogs against Roscommon. Also it"s difficult for dublin fans to find all these grounds around the country as they used to playing in Croker. Dublin Bus just can't be relied upon to get to anywhere outside the pale

Home at last and how does one make sense of that game today?
I suppose you could simplify it by saying we have good forwards( or just Murtagh as the Smiths weren't so hot today)  and a poor defence. Hopefully Conor D and Kelly will be available the next day.
We have some amount of work to do before we face Dublin who played poorly today, kicked a load of wides but still squeezed past a defensive minded to the point of being ridiculous Cavan who lost their way entirely in the 2nd half. Was it one point in the last 25 mins?
I wonder what does the lad who was running down Ros " They won a weak Connacht" think now.
We scored 1-19 against the much vaunted Munster champions while we could only get 0-19 against Leitrim ;) and was it 1-12 v Sligo.
Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
Home at last and how does one make sense of that game today?
I suppose you could simplify it by saying we have good forwards( or just Murtagh as the Smiths weren't so hot today)  and a poor defence. Hopefully Conor D and Kelly will be available the next day.
We have some amount of work to do before we face Dublin who played poorly today, kicked a load of wides but still squeezed past a defensive minded to the point of being ridiculous Cavan who lost their way entirely in the 2nd half. Was it one point in the last 25 mins?
I wonder what does the lad who was running down Ros " They won a weak Connacht" think now.
We scored 1-19 against the much vaunted Munster champions while we could only get 0-19 against Leitrim ;) and was it 1-12 v Sligo.
Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

Ná bac leis an mbéal bocht Rossfan. This is a very talented Roscommon team. I think that ye will do it. I hope so too.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
Home at last and how does one make sense of that game today?
I suppose you could simplify it by saying we have good forwards( or just Murtagh as the Smiths weren't so hot today)  and a poor defence. Hopefully Conor D and Kelly will be available the next day.
We have some amount of work to do before we face Dublin who played poorly today, kicked a load of wides but still squeezed past a defensive minded to the point of being ridiculous Cavan who lost their way entirely in the 2nd half. Was it one point in the last 25 mins?
I wonder what does the lad who was running down Ros " They won a weak Connacht" think now.
We scored 1-19 against the much vaunted Munster champions while we could only get 0-19 against Leitrim ;) and was it 1-12 v Sligo.
Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

you couldn't beat us in a provincial venue in 2012 so why not try somewhere new this time

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
[Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

you couldn't beat us in a provincial venue in 2012 so why not try somewhere new this time
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In 2012 Dublin simply had far more good players than we had, nothing to do with the venue.
If this year's Final was in Croker our lads' heads would be wrecked listening to talk about hoodooos and ya can't bate Dublin in Croker and Ros never win in Croker etc etc.
Today we started without any of our starting HB line v Mayowestros and it showed the way Cork were able to run through us in the second half. Also a lot of lads critical of the management not bringing on any fresh legs until the 61st minute.

I think you might be referring to me there Rossfan, I said if you lost today you would just have won a weak Connacht. Which was true, Roscommon instead proved themselves to be a quality side who will, on today's performances, be favourites for the All Ireland. And best of luck to them.

I'm sure the GAA will stick the game in Croke Park. Give the Dubs a short journey and they might actually go to the game. Rossies will travel no matter where the game is. Dublin surely won't be as poor as they were today but they looked completely bereft of ideas for long periods today, kicked so many wides and wasted so much possession.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2014, 10:21:32 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
[Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

you couldn't beat us in a provincial venue in 2012 so why not try somewhere new this time

In 2012 Dublin simply had far more good players than we had, nothing to do with the venue.
If this year's Final was in Croker our lads' heads would be wrecked listening to talk about hoodooos and ya can't bate Dublin in Croker and Ros never win in Croker etc etc.
Today we started without any of our starting HB line v Mayowestros and it showed the way Cork were able to run through us in the second half. Also a lot of lads critical of the management not bringing on any fresh legs until the 61st minute.
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I've always maintained teams that can't beat Dublin in CP won't beat them outside of it either.

AI Finals should be in CP. Roscommon are plenty good enough to win. We've massive problems on the evidence of today. Cavan beat themselves we didn't beat them.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 10:10:25 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
Home at last and how does one make sense of that game today?
I suppose you could simplify it by saying we have good forwards( or just Murtagh as the Smiths weren't so hot today)  and a poor defence. Hopefully Conor D and Kelly will be available the next day.
We have some amount of work to do before we face Dublin who played poorly today, kicked a load of wides but still squeezed past a defensive minded to the point of being ridiculous Cavan who lost their way entirely in the 2nd half. Was it one point in the last 25 mins?
I wonder what does the lad who was running down Ros " They won a weak Connacht" think now.
We scored 1-19 against the much vaunted Munster champions while we could only get 0-19 against Leitrim ;) and was it 1-12 v Sligo.
Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

you couldn't beat us in a provincial venue in 2012 so why not try somewhere new this time

Dublin won't want to play our sprinters on a pitch as big as Croker. Ye'll probably get it played on a Cumman Na mBunscol pitch.

Lavin can lay down in the goal and our defensive problems will be fixed.

Well done to our lads, superb character shown today, the will to win, desire to succeed was second to none. How many teams would recover from the three sucker punch goals we conceded? and every one of them were easily avoidable. The full time scoreline does not give a fair reflection as we were at least five points better than that Cork team but hey who cares we won and have reached our 2nd U-21 Ireland in 3 years which is a fine achievement.

Reading over the posts here it seems we have a few begrudgers, i'll have to watch the game back tomorrow to see these so called soft frees but fcuk ye if we got a bit of luck on the day we more than deserved it. May the best team win is the saying in most team sports and that was certainly us on the day.

Well said Ross4 Life. By the way, your next post is your 10,000'th. Definitely a bit of begrudgery from a couple of neighbours, but that's their problem. I would describe the referee's performance as interesting. In the first half, he was a bit hasty in bringing a few Cork frees further up the field for what looked like little or nothing. Was a bit surprised we didn't make a bit more use of our subs bench. Hope some of our half backs will be over their injuries for the final.

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 10:40:24 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 10:10:25 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
Home at last and how does one make sense of that game today?
I suppose you could simplify it by saying we have good forwards( or just Murtagh as the Smiths weren't so hot today)  and a poor defence. Hopefully Conor D and Kelly will be available the next day.
We have some amount of work to do before we face Dublin who played poorly today, kicked a load of wides but still squeezed past a defensive minded to the point of being ridiculous Cavan who lost their way entirely in the 2nd half. Was it one point in the last 25 mins?
I wonder what does the lad who was running down Ros " They won a weak Connacht" think now.
We scored 1-19 against the much vaunted Munster champions while we could only get 0-19 against Leitrim ;) and was it 1-12 v Sligo.
Dublin roaring favourites and will probably get the game in Croke Park too just to make sure.

you couldn't beat us in a provincial venue in 2012 so why not try somewhere new this time

Dublin won't want to play our sprinters on a pitch as big as Croker. Ye'll probably get it played on a Cumman Na mBunscol pitch.

Lavin can lay down in the goal and our defensive problems will be fixed.

with jack and a few others we'll take our chances. Play it in the carpark if you want syferus.

Well spotted Shrewdness & i can't let the night go without another (my 10,000'th) post.  Poor use of the bench was puzzling today we did the same against Tyrone minors, its not like we don't have plenty of talent on it O'Rourke,Gleeson,Killoran etc.. Conor Daly failed a fitness test just before throw in if he was that close to starting he must be in with a chance to feature in two weeks.

The Dubs on here trying to make us favourites  ;D current odds Dublin U21 evens Roscommon U21 evens. Its clear by the time the final comes around Dublin will be favourites but at least we won't have disrespectful odds on us this time like 2012 U-21 final. Also i think you guys are a little unfair to Cavan what i saw was some superb defending and workrate from them and the game could have went either way.

Quote from: Zulu on April 19, 2014, 07:30:05 PM
Brian Hurley has been been a star for a while now. I hope the two boys become huge stars but today they looked a bit one-sided. I they are not, then great, if they are then they need to work on it.

I'm not one to measure our forwards to guys that have experience of div one level football/training but did Hurley make it onto the College team of the year and scored 10 points in All Ireland semi final at just 19 (turned 19 in Feb). For example the U-21 game against Mayo showed another side of the super talent that Murtagh is.  We hope that our seniors can someday rise to that level of football & give the likes of Smith,Murtagh the opportunity to showcase their skills.
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Special mention for Ultan Harney this is a guy that isn't fit & awaiting an operation. His display today was truly inspirational, it's hard to believe he doesn't turn 19 until November a special talent with loads of potential.

Ultan drilled his goal with so much power it came out so fast I though it had hit the post. His point in the first half was pure class too. The lad is something special. He bet a highly regarded Cork midfield without play a full game of football in how long?

Hopefully he can rest easy and get healthy after this day two weeks and concentrate on the Leaving Cert (!).

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 11:41:20 PM
Ultan drilled his goal with so much power it came out so fast I though it had hit the post. His point in the first half was pure class too. The lad is something special. He bet a highly regarded Cork midfield without play a full game of football in how long?

But has he played a match on a Cumann na Mbunscoil pitch? thats the key

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 11:42:33 PM

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 11:41:20 PM
Ultan drilled his goal with so much power it came out so fast I though it had hit the post. His point in the first half was pure class too. The lad is something special. He bet a highly regarded Cork midfield without play a full game of football in how long?

But has he played a match on a Cumann na Mbunscoil pitch? thats the key

Has Jack ever tried to jink his way through the like of our subs bench before?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/Syferus/herd_zpsa491f9fe.jpg)

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 11:51:36 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 19, 2014, 11:42:33 PM

Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2014, 11:41:20 PM
Ultan drilled his goal with so much power it came out so fast I though it had hit the post. His point in the first half was pure class too. The lad is something special. He bet a highly regarded Cork midfield without play a full game of football in how long?

But has he played a match on a Cumann na Mbunscoil pitch? thats the key

Has Jack ever tried to jink his way through the like of our subs bench before?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/Syferus/herd_zpsa491f9fe.jpg)

Jack floats Syferus. He doesn't jink, he levitates above the ground.

Hard to luck Cavan had the beating of Dublin however lost the belief in the final ten minutes.

What's the story with Emmet, Indiana? I know he's been injured, he didn't look himself today. Fully fit he's a sight to behold.

I have a lot time for ros folk on here but I cydtnt ignore the shite that went on today good luck in the. Final ladds hope tee do it, I'm on a stag and I'm saying g that on a stag , pls beat the dibs

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 20, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
I have a lot time for ros folk on here but I cydtnt ignore the shite that went on today good luck in the. Final ladds hope tee do it, I'm on a stag and I'm saying g that on a stag , pls beat the dibs

Post of the decade, Sligonian!

We'll do our best to do a Galway and not a Mayo.

Watched the Cavan v Dublin game to cheer on our Ulster neighbours but ended up cheering for the Dubs. Cavan had the winning of the game but instead of trying to win it in the last 10 they decided to continue with the defensive set up. In the Ulster final they showed that when they had to they could play in an attacking fashion. Over the last 4 years at under age Cavan have shown an effective gameplan to win matches even if they do not have the best players. Undoubtedly they are the best prepared under 21 set up. Cavan needed a run like this to restore faith in their county football. I feel now, however, they have to take the step to give talented forwards a platform if they want to make real progress at senior.

Cavan people may blame the referee for defeat - Westside apart - but in reality it was their own fault. Today the referee made mistakes but IMO he gave one of the better performances of the year so far. The black card given was a 70:30 call so it is hard to argue with it. The Cavan number 6 was extremely lucky he did not get a black card when TV replays seemed to show him deliberately pulling down the Dublin 13. The free at the end was one that is normally given and the referee played the advantage rule as it is.

The scenes at the end disgraced Cavan football and I would be embarrassed if it was my county. No referee should endure such abuse from players and supporters alike. I would hope an apology is forthcoming.

Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2014, 12:51:08 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 20, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
I have a lot time for ros folk on here but I cydtnt ignore the shite that went on today good luck in the. Final ladds hope tee do it, I'm on a stag and I'm saying g that on a stag , pls beat the dibs

Post of the decade, Sligonian!

We'll do our best to do a Galway and not a Mayo.

Best of luck Roscommon in the final, except you ya child.

Quote from: Syferus on April 20, 2014, 12:51:08 AM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 20, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
I have a lot time for ros folk on here but I cydtnt ignore the shite that went on today good luck in the. Final ladds hope tee do it, I'm on a stag and I'm saying g that on a stag , pls beat the dibs

Post of the decade, Sligonian!

We'll do our best to do a Galway and not a Mayo.

Do a Ros...it'll feel better if ye manage it.

Devastated for our lads yesterday. They played the right tactics no matter what Indiana says, the Dubs had pace and quality all over the pitch and I have no doubt if it became a shoot out Dublin would have won with ease. Unfortunately a number of key things went against us. Conor Moynagh was the best player on the pitch for 15 mins before he got injured, that was a brutal blow to us. Then the key calls the referee made went against us (please save me the bullshit that he had a good game)

1 - Dillon gets fouled 30m straight in front of the posts, ref is behind the play and puts his hand in the air. There is no advantage as Cavan have no one inside but they play on as they dont know the ref has his hand in the air. 5s later, Cavan have gone nowhere and the clown puts his hand down. There was no bloody advantage, its a free in and a gimme point to Cavan. Cavan kick a wide under pressure.

2- Black card to Dillon. While he did pull the guy down I don't think this was why the rule was brought in as it was hardly cynical, the ball was loose and both men were running towards it. Dillon jumped over the defender and pulled him down. By the letter of the law, yes a black card, but if you  exercise a bit of cop on then its not. A ref with cop on seems to be banned.

3 - No Black card to McHugh. This is the foul the rule was brought in for. Player beats his man and runs with intent toward the Dublin half and is pulled down. If the ref decides its a foul to Cavan then it is a black card. If he decides Moynagh pulled the Dublin player down then it is a free to Dublin and a black card to Moynagh. Because he hasn;t the balls to make a call he decides free to Cavan and yellow card. McHugh scores the equaliser and gets man of the match.

4 - Advantage rule to Dublin for McHughs equaliser. There was no foul and he gets his advantage and then misses, the ref gives him the tap over free. Compare to No 1 above. No consistency.

5 - Winning free. Harsh free but surely given the Dublin player emerged with the ball he should have put his hand up and played advantage, allowing the Dublin player to play on like he did for No 1 above. Nope, he correctly decided a free in was a scorable chance and there could be no advantage. No consistency.

6- 2 mins of injury time called during which there are 30-40s of injury time. This bright hope of a referee cannot add on this time.

I don't mind being beaten by the better team, and Dublin were, but I am seriously pissed off where a referee has such a bearing on a game in which only a last minute free separated the teams. The GAA powers that be that selected this referee should also be ashamed. This was an All Ireland Semi final and a quick look at the refs pen picture in the program will tell you this referee was too junior. Last referred an U21 match 13 months ago, the 1/4 final in Munster! This year refereed a Few McGrath cup games, a railway cup semi and a few national league games (no doubt in lower divisions). Does that sound like a fella ready for an AI semi final. The guy in the 1st game was also abysmal.

As for the cavan fans. Yes it was not pretty at the end of the match but for f**k sake we were all pissed off with him and tempers were frayed. He had a bearing on the result he should not have had. No one was injured in the incident so lets not blow it out of proportion. I've no doubt he will be fast tracked now to referee bigger games and be just as woeful as your Marty Duffy's and Maurice Deegans.

Roscommon played a great game, have some really nice footballers but seem to have a weak defense. It was an exciting game against Cork. I think though Dublin will be a much tougher test for them if they continue to be as open defensively. Such make for a good spectacle anyway and good luck to both teams.

It was a great call by the GAA to have the game in Portlaoise to be fair to the 6 Cork fans who attended.

Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.

Myles I can understand your frustration but the actions at the end cannot be excused because no one got hurt. You cannot wait for someone to get hurt until doing something. I cannot remember all the decisions you talk about. However, the Cavan black card is a black card if the referee thinks it is deliberate. I would have preferred a yellow. As for the McHugh yellow if the referee cannot be certain it was a deliberate pull down then he gives a yellow. Replays show it was not deliberate. The fault is the rules not the referee. The last free the referee was right in the way he applied the rule too. When the rules were introduced one of the senior referees in Armagh said he did not worry about the black card but the advantage rule in such a case. He was proved right here.

As for the Cavan managers comments I would not worry too much as it was straight after the game. His point on Dublin though is one many many people agree with. Right or Wrong.

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:08:19 AM

Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.

His behaviour and comments after the game were a disgrace. He might be doing fine work in Cavan but would want to cop himself on

I felt sorry for Cavan yesterday. I only stayed for the first half of that game, but had been a bit surprised at how mediocre Dublin had looked in the first half, considering all the hype we hear about them. Cavan looked like a team that were carrying out a gameplan to perfection. Victory would have meant more to Cavan people, proof of which was the size of the Cavan support compared to that for the Dubs....As for the final, there's no doubt that Ros will need to tighten up in defence, but it should be mentioned that they were up against some very highly rated Cork forwards.. On the flip side of the coin is the question of how Dublin's defence will fare when they face Roscommon's forwards, the best forwards they will have met so far this year. This final has the makings of a high scoring shootout. Are there any Dublin minors from last year on this U-21 team? The Ros team that started against Cork had four minors from last year, Diarmuid Murtagh, Sean Mullooly, Ronan Daly and Ultan Harney who does his Leaving Cert in a few weeks.

Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 09:15:26 AM

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:08:19 AM

Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.

His behaviour and comments after the game were a disgrace. He might be doing fine work in Cavan but would want to cop himself on

I'll tell the next time I meet him. I'm sure he's awful concerned what the boys in Dublin think about him. Hard to take all the money and advantage Dublin get and then they get the venue and the calls from the ref too.

After seen it on tv I don't think it was even a free at end.

Quote from: Throw ball on April 20, 2014, 09:12:01 AM
Myles I can understand your frustration but the actions at the end cannot be excused because no one got hurt. You cannot wait for someone to get hurt until doing something. I cannot remember all the decisions you talk about. However, the Cavan black card is a black card if the referee thinks it is deliberate. I would have preferred a yellow. As for the McHugh yellow if the referee cannot be certain it was a deliberate pull down then he gives a yellow. Replays show it was not deliberate. The fault is the rules not the referee. The last free the referee was right in the way he applied the rule too. When the rules were introduced one of the senior referees in Armagh said he did not worry about the black card but the advantage rule in such a case. He was proved right here.

As for the Cavan managers comments I would not worry too much as it was straight after the game. His point on Dublin though is one many many people agree with. Right or Wrong.

I'm not saying I excuse the actions. I am just saying it was not that serious of an issue, there was no physical threat to the ref as far as I could see. Its not like the Louth Meath incident a few years ago, not near the same level. Some of the reporting and comments are sensationalist and are blowing it out of proportion.

The last 2 frees, neither were frees to start with. Second I agree the rule of advantage was applied correctly in both cases (if we say they were frees). However, it was not applied correctly for Cavan earlier - that is my point. The ref does not get away with it because the rules are too vague, if he has a brain in his head he knows what to do. Why could he not add onto the 2mins of injury time?? The guy was too inexperienced and incompetent for this game and in a tight match you can see he makes the difference between the two teams. The guy in the first game was also atrocious. Seems U21 is seen as some sort of training ground for referees, well the fans want fair play not the ridiculous spectacle of yesterday.

Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Pitiful comments from an county manager - disgraceful.

The hill is blue - more like the hill is full of pissed scumbags. Ye have some neck criticizing Cavan fans and management. The last time I was at a Dub game in Croke park they were throwing bottles towards the pitch from the wonderous hill.

Fair play to Peter Reilly for coming out and saying in public what he said about time someone said it.

Can those that disagree state what they disagree with?

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 08:28:10 AM
Devastated for our lads yesterday. They played the right tactics no matter what Indiana says, the Dubs had pace and quality all over the pitch and I have no doubt if it became a shoot out Dublin would have won with ease. Unfortunately a number of key things went against us. Conor Moynagh was the best player on the pitch for 15 mins before he got injured, that was a brutal blow to us. Then the key calls the referee made went against us (please save me the bullshit that he had a good game)

1 - Dillon gets fouled 30m straight in front of the posts, ref is behind the play and puts his hand in the air. There is no advantage as Cavan have no one inside but they play on as they dont know the ref has his hand in the air. 5s later, Cavan have gone nowhere and the clown puts his hand down. There was no bloody advantage, its a free in and a gimme point to Cavan. Cavan kick a wide under pressure.

2- Black card to Dillon. While he did pull the guy down I don't think this was why the rule was brought in as it was hardly cynical, the ball was loose and both men were running towards it. Dillon jumped over the defender and pulled him down. By the letter of the law, yes a black card, but if you  exercise a bit of cop on then its not. A ref with cop on seems to be banned.

3 - No Black card to McHugh. This is the foul the rule was brought in for. Player beats his man and runs with intent toward the Dublin half and is pulled down. If the ref decides its a foul to Cavan then it is a black card. If he decides Moynagh pulled the Dublin player down then it is a free to Dublin and a black card to Moynagh. Because he hasn;t the balls to make a call he decides free to Cavan and yellow card. McHugh scores the equaliser and gets man of the match.

4 - Advantage rule to Dublin for McHughs equaliser. There was no foul and he gets his advantage and then misses, the ref gives him the tap over free. Compare to No 1 above. No consistency.

5 - Winning free. Harsh free but surely given the Dublin player emerged with the ball he should have put his hand up and played advantage, allowing the Dublin player to play on like he did for No 1 above. Nope, he correctly decided a free in was a scorable chance and there could be no advantage. No consistency.

6- 2 mins of injury time called during which there are 30-40s of injury time. This bright hope of a referee cannot add on this time.

I don't mind being beaten by the better team, and Dublin were, but I am seriously pissed off where a referee has such a bearing on a game in which only a last minute free separated the teams. The GAA powers that be that selected this referee should also be ashamed. This was an All Ireland Semi final and a quick look at the refs pen picture in the program will tell you this referee was too junior. Last referred an U21 match 13 months ago, the 1/4 final in Munster! This year refereed a Few McGrath cup games, a railway cup semi and a few national league games (no doubt in lower divisions). Does that sound like a fella ready for an AI semi final. The guy in the 1st game was also abysmal.

As for the cavan fans. Yes it was not pretty at the end of the match but for f**k sake we were all pissed off with him and tempers were frayed. He had a bearing on the result he should not have had. No one was injured in the incident so lets not blow it out of proportion. I've no doubt he will be fast tracked now to referee bigger games and be just as woeful as your Marty Duffy's and Maurice Deegans.

Roscommon played a great game, have some really nice footballers but seem to have a weak defense. It was an exciting game against Cork. I think though Dublin will be a much tougher test for them if they continue to be as open defensively. Such make for a good spectacle anyway and good luck to both teams.

With all due respect Myles your "forensic" analysis of the referee's performance yesterday is something we get here after every close game. It's so easy (and also so misleading) to focus on the perceived "bad calls" against one team while ignoring the "bad calls" against the other team. Every game is made up of many refereeing calls which over the whole game will balance out.

Bottom line is that the better team almost invariably wins.

Management is doing no favours to the young lads of Cavan by making them feel that they were robbed. Failure of tactics as well as the quality of the opposition should be acknowledged. Blaming the referee is a cop out.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
The hill is blue - more like the hill is full of pissed scumbags. Ye have some neck criticizing Cavan fans and management. The last time I was at a Dub game in Croke park they were throwing bottles towards the pitch from the wonderous hill.

With that comment your credibility to argue anything is zero.

You got beaten yesterday in a game you could have won but didn't have the balls to go and try and win. Your manager, your mentors and your supporters disgraced yourselves after the match with 'sc**bag' behaviour. Now take your beating and back off to the backwaters with you!

I found myself going for the Dubs due to the savage and vile hatred shown to the Dublin free-takers

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I have a lot time for ros folk on here but I cydtnt ignore the shite that went on today good luck in the. Final ladds hope tee do it, I'm on a stag and I'm saying g that on a stag , pls beat the dibs

Post of the decade, Sligonian!

We'll do our best to do a Galway and not a Mayo.

Do a Ros...it'll feel better if ye manage it.

Arrah Farr you know well it's only met for lads who are are as wound up as Bod Mor, ye boys know how to win these sorts sorts of finals..

Quote from: tommysmith on April 20, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
Fair play to Peter Reilly for coming out and saying in public what he said about time someone said it.

Can those that disagree state what they disagree with?

McHugh didn't deserve a black card for a start, the Cavan player should have got a black as he pulled down McHugh. I thought the Dublin free to win it was soft but I wouldn't agree that it wasn't a free, the Cavan player definitely pulled Ivory's arm. While I can well understand the frustration of supporters  I don't think Cavan are coming out well here.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 08:28:10 AM
Devastated for our lads yesterday. They played the right tactics no matter what Indiana says, the Dubs had pace and quality all over the pitch and I have no doubt if it became a shoot out Dublin would have won with ease. Unfortunately a number of key things went against us. Conor Moynagh was the best player on the pitch for 15 mins before he got injured, that was a brutal blow to us. Then the key calls the referee made went against us (please save me the bullshit that he had a good game)

1 - Dillon gets fouled 30m straight in front of the posts, ref is behind the play and puts his hand in the air. There is no advantage as Cavan have no one inside but they play on as they dont know the ref has his hand in the air. 5s later, Cavan have gone nowhere and the clown puts his hand down. There was no bloody advantage, its a free in and a gimme point to Cavan. Cavan kick a wide under pressure.

2- Black card to Dillon. While he did pull the guy down I don't think this was why the rule was brought in as it was hardly cynical, the ball was loose and both men were running towards it. Dillon jumped over the defender and pulled him down. By the letter of the law, yes a black card, but if you  exercise a bit of cop on then its not. A ref with cop on seems to be banned.

3 - No Black card to McHugh. This is the foul the rule was brought in for. Player beats his man and runs with intent toward the Dublin half and is pulled down. If the ref decides its a foul to Cavan then it is a black card. If he decides Moynagh pulled the Dublin player down then it is a free to Dublin and a black card to Moynagh. Because he hasn;t the balls to make a call he decides free to Cavan and yellow card. McHugh scores the equaliser and gets man of the match.

4 - Advantage rule to Dublin for McHughs equaliser. There was no foul and he gets his advantage and then misses, the ref gives him the tap over free. Compare to No 1 above. No consistency.

5 - Winning free. Harsh free but surely given the Dublin player emerged with the ball he should have put his hand up and played advantage, allowing the Dublin player to play on like he did for No 1 above. Nope, he correctly decided a free in was a scorable chance and there could be no advantage. No consistency.

6- 2 mins of injury time called during which there are 30-40s of injury time. This bright hope of a referee cannot add on this time.

I don't mind being beaten by the better team, and Dublin were, but I am seriously pissed off where a referee has such a bearing on a game in which only a last minute free separated the teams. The GAA powers that be that selected this referee should also be ashamed. This was an All Ireland Semi final and a quick look at the refs pen picture in the program will tell you this referee was too junior. Last referred an U21 match 13 months ago, the 1/4 final in Munster! This year refereed a Few McGrath cup games, a railway cup semi and a few national league games (no doubt in lower divisions). Does that sound like a fella ready for an AI semi final. The guy in the 1st game was also abysmal.

As for the cavan fans. Yes it was not pretty at the end of the match but for f**k sake we were all pissed off with him and tempers were frayed. He had a bearing on the result he should not have had. No one was injured in the incident so lets not blow it out of proportion. I've no doubt he will be fast tracked now to referee bigger games and be just as woeful as your Marty Duffy's and Maurice Deegans.

Roscommon played a great game, have some really nice footballers but seem to have a weak defense. It was an exciting game against Cork. I think though Dublin will be a much tougher test for them if they continue to be as open defensively. Such make for a good spectacle anyway and good luck to both teams.

That's it blame everyone bar yourselves. I'm involved in the game since I was a kid and I've never seen some of the deflection after a game then from Cavan fans yesterday. The referee had nothing to do with you losing the game.

You lost it. Face facts and move on. Peter Reilly reckons Dublin have home advantage playing in Portlaoise yesterday. Well Peter do you want to ban us from all grounds in the country now? Absolute clown is all he is. Trying to take the spotlight off himself and put it on a referee.

Next time have a bit of conviction and push on when you're ahead and stop overestimating what some teams may or may not do in a shoot-out especially when they are playing well below what they are capable of.

Dublin were nowhere near the better side yesterday. All Cavan needed was another two points in the 9 minutes left and that game was theirs. But nope that was the referees fault.

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Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us

Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.

His behaviour and comments after the game were a disgrace. He might be doing fine work in Cavan but would want to cop himself on

I'll tell the next time I meet him. I'm sure he's awful concerned what the boys in Dublin think about him. Hard to take all the money and advantage Dublin get and then they get the venue and the calls from the ref too.

Dublin were the better side over all, Created more chances, had 2 goal in the first half. Good luck to them, the game being played in Portlaoise had no bearing on it

I wasn't able to make it to Portlaoise yesterday, but I have to say both games were great for drama, action and suspense.

Roscommon were by far the better team against Cork and nearly threw it all away. They will really put it up to Dublin but will need to tighten up big time in defence.

Cavan beat themselves yesterday. If you only score one point in second half of an AI semifinal, you can't blame anyone else on the defeat.
Very disappointed to hear the small minded comments from the Cavan manager. Whatever happened to losing with dignity. Dublin were poor, but its unlikely they will be that bad the next day. Should be a great game.

Quote from: Drummerboy on April 20, 2014, 11:41:03 AM
I wasn't able to make it to Portlaoise yesterday, but I have to say both games were great for drama, action and suspense.

Roscommon were by far the better team against Cork and nearly threw it all away. They will really put it up to Dublin but will need to tighten up big time in defence.

Cavan beat themselves yesterday. If you only score one point in second half of an AI semifinal, you can't blame anyone else on the defeat.
Very disappointed to hear the small minded comments from the Cavan manager. Whatever happened to losing with dignity. Dublin were poor, but its unlikely they will be that bad the next day. Should be a great game.

I dunno about that. We haven't fired at this year in the 21 championship. Maybe we've too many senior lads. We're getting away with it and any sort of a sub standard performance the next day and we'll lose.

We should have lost yesterday. I feel for the Cavan players its torture to lose a game like that. And a lot of them if they train on will be top senior players.

But I've no sympathy for the Cavan management after their carry on yesterday after the game. Let themselves and their county down. i wouldn't tolerate a Dublin manager coming out with that sort of rubbish after a match or going over to remonstrate with match officials after the game.

Thats just passion straight after the game, losing by 1pt for the second year in an All Ireland Semi would be hard to take for the Cavan players and management. Shouldn't have confronted the ref but not the first and won't be the last to do that,..

Another point we talked about before the game and Peter Reilly raises, why was this game in Portlaoise? It didn't suit Cavan, Roscommon or Cork (if they had any fans that would actually go in the first place) but it suited Dublin supporters and the Dublin team who had already played there.

Peter's comments are borne from frustration and heartbreak and while he might have been better advised to keep his own counsel until today when the dust had settled, there's a grain of truth there. The ref did not beat us yesterday but his performance was terrible and key decisions went against Cavan.

As a Cavan fan that goes to more games than most i was very disappointed with what happened after the game yesterday,whatever about a manager or player who have put their life into this campaign for the past 6 months being disgruntled and having a word with the ref it was totally uncalled for for a "supporter" to do similar. I've a funny feeling that same lad has been to about 5 games in the past 5 years  ::)

As for the game itself we can feel aggrieved at some of the decisions at the end but these things happen and generally go to the team with momentum and with 10 minutes to go i expected the Dubs to win, We had used up a lot of energy nullifying Dublins quality and all in all i think the best team won and i think they'll win the final,people seem to be slightly underrating just how good our defence is and i think for Dublin to create the chances they did when a few star players weren't at their best says a lot.
As for Jack Mc Caffrey holy jaysus that lad is ridiculously quick  :o

The game before was very enjoyable and the Roscommon goal was one of the best ive seen live,they had a strong midfield and a few nice forwards but id be worried about their backs in the final as to be honest they almost lost it for the Rossies yesterday.

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Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 08:28:10 AM
Devastated for our lads yesterday. They played the right tactics no matter what Indiana says, the Dubs had pace and quality all over the pitch and I have no doubt if it became a shoot out Dublin would have won with ease. Unfortunately a number of key things went against us. Conor Moynagh was the best player on the pitch for 15 mins before he got injured, that was a brutal blow to us. Then the key calls the referee made went against us (please save me the bullshit that he had a good game)

1 - Dillon gets fouled 30m straight in front of the posts, ref is behind the play and puts his hand in the air. There is no advantage as Cavan have no one inside but they play on as they dont know the ref has his hand in the air. 5s later, Cavan have gone nowhere and the clown puts his hand down. There was no bloody advantage, its a free in and a gimme point to Cavan. Cavan kick a wide under pressure.

2- Black card to Dillon. While he did pull the guy down I don't think this was why the rule was brought in as it was hardly cynical, the ball was loose and both men were running towards it. Dillon jumped over the defender and pulled him down. By the letter of the law, yes a black card, but if you  exercise a bit of cop on then its not. A ref with cop on seems to be banned.

3 - No Black card to McHugh. This is the foul the rule was brought in for. Player beats his man and runs with intent toward the Dublin half and is pulled down. If the ref decides its a foul to Cavan then it is a black card. If he decides Moynagh pulled the Dublin player down then it is a free to Dublin and a black card to Moynagh. Because he hasn;t the balls to make a call he decides free to Cavan and yellow card. McHugh scores the equaliser and gets man of the match.

4 - Advantage rule to Dublin for McHughs equaliser. There was no foul and he gets his advantage and then misses, the ref gives him the tap over free. Compare to No 1 above. No consistency.

5 - Winning free. Harsh free but surely given the Dublin player emerged with the ball he should have put his hand up and played advantage, allowing the Dublin player to play on like he did for No 1 above. Nope, he correctly decided a free in was a scorable chance and there could be no advantage. No consistency.

6- 2 mins of injury time called during which there are 30-40s of injury time. This bright hope of a referee cannot add on this time.

I don't mind being beaten by the better team, and Dublin were, but I am seriously pissed off where a referee has such a bearing on a game in which only a last minute free separated the teams. The GAA powers that be that selected this referee should also be ashamed. This was an All Ireland Semi final and a quick look at the refs pen picture in the program will tell you this referee was too junior. Last referred an U21 match 13 months ago, the 1/4 final in Munster! This year refereed a Few McGrath cup games, a railway cup semi and a few national league games (no doubt in lower divisions). Does that sound like a fella ready for an AI semi final. The guy in the 1st game was also abysmal.

As for the cavan fans. Yes it was not pretty at the end of the match but for f**k sake we were all pissed off with him and tempers were frayed. He had a bearing on the result he should not have had. No one was injured in the incident so lets not blow it out of proportion. I've no doubt he will be fast tracked now to referee bigger games and be just as woeful as your Marty Duffy's and Maurice Deegans.

Roscommon played a great game, have some really nice footballers but seem to have a weak defense. It was an exciting game against Cork. I think though Dublin will be a much tougher test for them if they continue to be as open defensively. Such make for a good spectacle anyway and good luck to both teams.

That's it blame everyone bar yourselves. I'm involved in the game since I was a kid and I've never seen some of the deflection after a game then from Cavan fans yesterday. The referee had nothing to do with you losing the game.

You lost it. Face facts and move on. Peter Reilly reckons Dublin have home advantage playing in Portlaoise yesterday. Well Peter do you want to ban us from all grounds in the country now? Absolute clown is all he is. Trying to take the spotlight off himself and put it on a referee.

Next time have a bit of conviction and push on when you're ahead and stop overestimating what some teams may or may not do in a shoot-out especially when they are playing well below what they are capable of.

Dublin were nowhere near the better side yesterday. All Cavan needed was another two points in the 9 minutes left and that game was theirs. But nope that was the referees fault.

Which points do you disagree with? These were the big calls in the match, all decisions favoured Dublin. Cavan were frigged in the last 10 minutes which was obvious, they were hanging on. Nothing to do with tactics they were spent trying to hold a excellent Dublin team. That Dublin needed the ref to win  the game for them is a great compliment to the players.

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Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
The hill is blue - more like the hill is full of pissed scumbags. Ye have some neck criticizing Cavan fans and management. The last time I was at a Dub game in Croke park they were throwing bottles towards the pitch from the wonderous hill.

With that comment your credibility to argue anything is zero.

You got beaten yesterday in a game you could have won but didn't have the balls to go and try and win. Your manager, your mentors and your supporters disgraced yourselves after the match with 'sc**bag' behaviour. Now take your beating and back off to the backwaters with you!

My point is you have enough scumbags in your own ranks on a big game in Croke park (and everyone knows it ) to be worrying about the Cavan fans. We have some of the best supporters in Ireland. We were dragged to Armagh twice this year when the game should have been in Enniskillen and we won both and outnumbered both Monaghan and Donegal at least 2:1. We outnumbered Derry on a Wednesday night 4:1 in Celtic. We get dragged to Portlaoise where the Dub fans could only muster about 500 supporters and Cork muster 100, despite the venue being on a motorway from both (compare to driving from Cavan to castlepollard, Mullingar, tullamore, portlaoise). Our fans deserve better from the GAA than that referee. The guy who went on the pitch though deserves to be banned, that was too much no matter how annoyed he was.

http://media.radiokerry.ie/upload/shannon/audio/Roscommon_Ending.mp3

When Willie H's voice has ran out you know it was a special match.

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The hill is blue - more like the hill is full of pissed scumbags. Ye have some neck criticizing Cavan fans and management. The last time I was at a Dub game in Croke park they were throwing bottles towards the pitch from the wonderous hill.

With that comment your credibility to argue anything is zero.

You got beaten yesterday in a game you could have won but didn't have the balls to go and try and win. Your manager, your mentors and your supporters disgraced yourselves after the match with 'sc**bag' behaviour. Now take your beating and back off to the backwaters with you!

My point is you have enough scumbags in your own ranks on a big game in Croke park (and everyone knows it ) to be worrying about the Cavan fans. We have some of the best supporters in Ireland. We were dragged to Armagh twice this year when the game should have been in Enniskillen and we won both and outnumbered both Monaghan and Donegal at least 2:1. We outnumbered Derry on a Wednesday night 4:1 in Celtic. We get dragged to Portlaoise where the Dub fans could only muster about 500 supporters and Cork muster 100, despite the venue being on a motorway from both (compare to driving from Cavan to castlepollard, Mullingar, tullamore, portlaoise). Our fans deserve better from the GAA than that referee. The guy who went on the pitch though deserves to be banned, that was too much no matter how annoyed he was.

I know him. He is sometimes a steward in Breffni. I'll put it mildly by saying the chap has "learning difficulties"...

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Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
The hill is blue - more like the hill is full of pissed scumbags. Ye have some neck criticizing Cavan fans and management. The last time I was at a Dub game in Croke park they were throwing bottles towards the pitch from the wonderous hill.

With that comment your credibility to argue anything is zero.

You got beaten yesterday in a game you could have won but didn't have the balls to go and try and win. Your manager, your mentors and your supporters disgraced yourselves after the match with 'sc**bag' behaviour. Now take your beating and back off to the backwaters with you!

My point is you have enough scumbags in your own ranks on a big game in Croke park (and everyone knows it ) to be worrying about the Cavan fans. We have some of the best supporters in Ireland. We were dragged to Armagh twice this year when the game should have been in Enniskillen and we won both and outnumbered both Monaghan and Donegal at least 2:1. We outnumbered Derry on a Wednesday night 4:1 in Celtic. We get dragged to Portlaoise where the Dub fans could only muster about 500 supporters and Cork muster 100, despite the venue being on a motorway from both (compare to driving from Cavan to castlepollard, Mullingar, tullamore, portlaoise). Our fans deserve better from the GAA than that referee. The guy who went on the pitch though deserves to be banned, that was too much no matter how annoyed he was.

Lets have a little synopsis of those "fans"

- Vile verbal abuse towards officials and Dublin fans throughout
- Throwing objects at the officials as they leave the field.
- Some of them attempted to get onto the field of play to remonstrate with the ref.

Scumbags. No other words for it. No different to a section of fans that follow Dublin. I wouldn't attempt to defend them and you do yourself a dis-service defending them.

As regards the crowd. Our minors were in Pearse Park yesterday at 1.30pm. So its hard to be bi-locational. I chose to go to the 21 game and I couldn't go to the minor game. Why wasn't the minor game fixed for Portlaoise we could argue.

But we don't we just get on with it. Lend a thought to Peter there and ask him where would be like to play Dublin the next time. His back garden maybe or would be like to kick us out of the association simply because he made a balls of it yesterday?

Them best supporters were booing lads of 20 taking free kicks, would hardly put them in the best supporters bracket. Anyway Cork will feel harder done by than you, though Roscommon deserved the win, when the game went level, i thought the Ref would blow and go to extra time

The Cavan manager is right in his comments. With all the advantages Dublin had in their favour, it's actually amazing that Cavan could compete with them never mind deserve to beat them.
They can't justify having all Dublin's games played in Croke Park at u21 level so they've cherrypicked a ground and it's O'Moore Park they've chosen. They'd pick Newbridge cause it's closer only it's such a kip.

The referees are told that if they want to get big games they have to have the interests of HQ as their number one objective in matches. HQ's interests involve money, Dublin mean money, hence Dublin get the calls. It's as simple as that, it happens at all levels. Joe McQuillan has made a great career out of the Dubs.

We then get to the issue that really gives Dublin a massive unfair advantage. The money. For nearly 10 years they've been getting 1.5million every year for games development. That means all the players yesterday have come through a system with full time games development officers, paid coaches, development squads all the way up in the best facilities in the country, with the best strength and conditioning coaches, all the best training and match gear available free, everything you could ask for to make a team successful right there for them. That's before they got onto the u21 panel, when they get on that there's another fund available to prepare the team for this year.

Mental isn't it? Cavan got 45,000 for games development last year and I'm sure they got similar amounts over the last 10 years. How can any team be expected to compete against Dublin when you just look at the money issue alone? That's before you add in the other advantages. Hopefully Reilly wont be just pushed aside and be labeled a bad loser, he has a point. There's no defending Dublin's huge advantages, it can't be done. Put an end to it and let teams compete fairly. Cavan have been robbed an All Ireland appearance and so have many counties. Dublin are ruining the GAA.

Quote from: Dont Matter on April 20, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
The Cavan manager is right in his comments. With all the advantages Dublin had in their favour, it's actually amazing that Cavan could compete with them never mind deserve to beat them.
They can't justify having all Dublin's games played in Croke Park at u21 level so they've cherrypicked a ground and it's O'Moore Park they've chosen. They'd pick Newbridge cause it's closer only it's such a kip.
The referees are told that if they want to get big games they have to have the interests of HQ as their number one objective in matches. HQ's interests involve money, Dublin mean money, hence Dublin get the calls. It's as simple as that, it happens at all levels. Joe McQuillan has made a great career out of the Dubs.
We then get to the issue that really gives Dublin a massive unfair advantage. The money. For nearly 10 years they've been getting 1.5million every year for games development. That means all the players yesterday have come through a system with full time games development officers, paid coaches, development squads all the way up in the best facilities in the country, with the best strength and conditioning coaches, all the best training and match gear available free, everything you could ask for to make a team successful right there for them. That's before they got onto the u21 panel, when they get on that there's another fund available to prepare the team for this year.
Mental isn't it? Cavan got 45,000 for games development last year and I'm sure they got similar amounts over the last 10 years. How can any team be expected to compete against Dublin when you just look at the money issue alone? That's before you add in the other advantages. Hopefully Reilly wont be just pushed aside and be labeled a bad loser, he has a point. There's no defending Dublin's huge advantages, it can't be done. Put an end to it and let teams compete fairly. Cavan have been robbed an All Ireland appearance and so have many counties. Dublin are ruining the GAA.

Do you think anyone reads your comments here? I haven't read the above but I'll print it out and use it to wipe my arse later

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Do you think anyone reads your comments here? I haven't read the above but I'll print it out and use it to wipe my arse later

Well of course you don't read it. You find it hard to come to terms with the fact you can't actually win things without the money and the extra help. Don't you feel a small bit embarrassed atleast? Being bought titles is nothing to celebrate, it means much more when you win things fairly.

Never hear so  much crying about Dublin, G lads u watch the game at all. Cavan beat themselves, they were on top for long periods but didn't make it count, that was the score board, 1 point in the 2nd half, who do you blame for that? The Ref was poor no doubt but he not the reason you lost. We play Dublin next week in Croke park and its a  big advantage for them at Home but you wouldn't want it any other way. Play them out of Croke Park Derry may have a good chance but every player wants to play in Croke Park.

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 01:34:53 PM
Do you think anyone reads your comments here? I haven't read the above but I'll print it out and use it to wipe my arse later

Well of course you don't read it. You find it hard to come to terms with the fact you can't actually win things without the money and the extra help. Don't you feel a small bit embarrassed atleast? Being bought titles is nothing to celebrate, it means much more when you win things fairly.

More toilet roll. Keep it coming

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More toilet roll. Keep it coming

You have more bought All Irelands on the way, any shame in ruining Gaelic Games?

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 01:52:50 PM
More toilet roll. Keep it coming

You have more bought All Irelands on the way, any shame in ruining Gaelic Games?

You must have shares in Andrex?

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2014, 01:48:52 PM
Never hear so  much crying about Dublin, G lads u watch the game at all. Cavan beat themselves, they were on top for long periods but didn't make it count, that was the score board, 1 point in the 2nd half, who do you blame for that? The Ref was poor no doubt but he not the reason you lost. We play Dublin next week in Croke park and its a  big advantage for them at Home but you wouldn't want it any other way. Play them out of Croke Park Derry may have a good chance but every player wants to play in Croke Park.

Like I said you boys wouldn't even go out and watch your own team in Derry city when we went up there so I wont be lectured to by a Derry man. Cavan scored 3 points in the 2nd half, Dublin scored 6. it was 7 - 5 at half time.

Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange bastards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
You must have shares in Andrex?

No shame and then we have to pay for your bankers mess aswell to add to paying for your All Irelands.

Cavan - J Farrelly; B Fortune, K Clarke, P Faulkner; G Smith, C Moynagh, C Brady (0-1); L Buchanan, M Argue (0-1); P Graham, E Flanagan (0-2), A Watson; D McVeety, T Hayes (0-2), J Dillon (0-3). Sub: A O'Hara for Moynagh, K Bouchier (0-1) for Dillon (black), C Moynagh for Fortune, C Byrne for Flanagan, E Hession for Graham, G McGovern for Buchanan.

All under age next year. Maybe next year there is an Ulster & All Ireland, Conor Madden, would have been a big help yesterday, also  eligible next year. Ryan Connolly a great prospect from the Minor team

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

You're sure taking your beating badly.  ::) Sad is the only word.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

God myles you really are a bitter, sad little man. Why play up to the Neil Toibin Cavan stereotype?

Dont defend the indefensible from the sc**bag element of the Cavan support. The officials are entitled to a basic duty of care - your fans provided nothing but toerag behaviour yesterday

I have never defended any of the sc**bag element of the Dublin support and never will.

As regards money- thats the last resort of the village idiot on gaaboard.

You think Cavan's 4 ulster u21's was built on bread and water?

Sure listen Don't matter and yourself can debate that all day. The poor misguided fool has been looking for a playmate for a few months now. You look like you can provide that.

Two points to make. Firstly the choice of venue for yesterday's semi finals. Some people are saying that Portlaoise was chosen to suit the Dubs, but in fairness to them, i don't think that's the case and this is the reason why. .When the venues were announced there were still 6 counties in it, as the Munster and Ulster Finals hadn't been played. Roscommon v Cork/ Tipperary was fixed for Portlaoise. If it was Dublin v Donegal, the game was to be played in Tullamore as far as i remember. If it was Dublin v Cavan, it would be played in Portlaoise as a double header with the other semi, which is exactly what happened. So if Donegal had won Ulster, the Dubs wouldn't have even been in Portlaoise yesterday.. Re the Roscommon defence, it has to be remembered that the entire half back line that started the championship against Mayo were missing through injury yesterday. Fintan Sweeney, Fintan Kelly and Conor Daly were all missed and we need some of them back for the final, with all due respect to the lads who replaced them yesterday.

It's easy for the Dubs to sit back and call us bad losers etc.. You have your U21 All Ireland Final, you have so much success you can pick and choose which big games you go to, you know you will get many many All Ireland Semi Finals and an U21 Semi Final barely registered a blip on the radar going by the poor crowd of Dubs there yesterday. Bear in mind we have about one twentieth the population of Dublin, a fraction of the funding, we might not see an All Ireland Semi Final for 15 years again. We're hurting.

Cavan have a good few available for next year, the loss of Moynagh, McVeety and Clarke is huge but we dealt with Brady and Flanagan moving on so maybe we will remain competitive. And we will probably have a more impressive array of forward next year with Connolly and Galligan and Hayes a year older. Is there a Gearoid or Barry or Moynagh or Flanagan in there to lead them and keep the tone from previous years? We'll see..

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 20, 2014, 02:09:36 PM
Cavan - J Farrelly; B Fortune, K Clarke, P Faulkner; G Smith, C Moynagh, C Brady (0-1); L Buchanan, M Argue (0-1); P Graham, E Flanagan (0-2), A Watson; D McVeety, T Hayes (0-2), J Dillon (0-3). Sub: A O'Hara for Moynagh, K Bouchier (0-1) for Dillon (black), C Moynagh for Fortune, C Byrne for Flanagan, E Hession for Graham, G McGovern for Buchanan.

All under age next year. Maybe next year there is an Ulster & All Ireland, Conor Madden, would have been a big help yesterday, also  eligible next year. Ryan Connolly a great prospect from the Minor team

Moynagh,Clarke and Mc Veety will be 3 massive losses,i think this year was the year if we were going to do it but i hope im wrong.

Well I think everyone has teased out all they can about the Cavan Dublin match yesterday, only saw the 1st half so I can't comment on what happened in the 2nd but it would seem that Cavan let the game go. Anyways can we now stop with these petty point scoring comments, look there are always going to be fans in every county who take things too far and whose general behaviour does not represent a county's supporters as a whole.

No if it was Donegal and Dublin it was in Breffni. Double header so Portlaoise was probaly sensible enough . Last year it was a double header in Tullamore, since Roscommon borders Offaly that woudn't have been fair on the Cork fans who would have had to travel a great distance, even if there was only a few yesterday. Didn't see the problem in the venue yesterday

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 20, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
Two points to make. Firstly the choice of venue for yesterday's semi finals. Some people are saying that Portlaoise was chosen to suit the Dubs, but in fairness to them, i don't think that's the case and this is the reason why. .When the venues were announced there were still 6 counties in it, as the Munster and Ulster Finals hadn't been played. Roscommon v Cork/ Tipperary was fixed for Portlaoise. If it was Dublin v Donegal, the game was to be played in Tullamore as far as i remember. If it was Dublin v Cavan, it would be played in Portlaoise as a double header with the other semi, which is exactly what happened. So if Donegal had won Ulster, the Dubs wouldn't have even been in Portlaoise yesterday.. Re the Roscommon defence, it has to be remembered that the entire half back line that started the championship against Mayo were missing through injury yesterday. Fintan Sweeney, Fintan Kelly and Conor Daly were all missed and we need some of them back for the final, with all due respect to the lads who replaced them yesterday.

Well to be fair John Mac was the starting CB and the captain until he got injured just before the Mayo game, he was straight back into the starting line-up when fit.

Thought McInerney and particularly Ronan Daly did little wrong, he scored a wonderful point and attacked in the now trademark Daly style. He made a few fantastic block downs too.

I'd be surprised if we don't have both Dalys starting the Dublin game on yesterday's evidence, I really don't know of either Fintan can be expected to be fit enough to make anything more than the bench the next day. Kelly in particular could offer good cover if we want to protect the corners better but if his hamstring isn't healthy then that becomes a liability.

Keep the chins up Westside. The fortunes of Cavan's Senior team are already improving, and when more of the U-21's are fed into that panel, Cavan people have a lot to look forward to...Re the venues, my mistake.

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
It's easy for the Dubs to sit back and call us bad losers etc.. You have your U21 All Ireland Final, you have so much success you can pick and choose which big games you go to, you know you will get many many All Ireland Semi Finals and an U21 Semi Final barely registered a blip on the radar going by the poor crowd of Dubs there yesterday. Bear in mind we have about one twentieth the population of Dublin, a fraction of the funding, we might not see an All Ireland Semi Final for 15 years again. We're hurting.

Cavan have a good few available for next year, the loss of Moynagh, McVeety and Clarke is huge but we dealt with Brady and Flanagan moving on so maybe we will remain competitive. And we will probably have a more impressive array of forward next year with Connolly and Galligan and Hayes a year older. Is there a Gearoid or Barry or Moynagh or Flanagan in there to lead them and keep the tone from previous years? We'll see..

This is where the lazy mans analysis comes in Westside.

Population means nothing. For a size of 1m we have 80 clubs. Cork has more GAA clubs then us- should they be split in two?

You'll only not see another all ireland semi final again if you want to. Cavan has been asleep at the wheel for too long. Things haven't looked this good for Cavan for ages. This is a special bunch of Dublin players at present and the idea that we'll have this all the time is rubbish.

As regards the funding there is so much mis-information out there at this stage its a waste of time posting anything relevent because nobody is interested in the real story because its not sexy.

Dublin might have only 80 clubs but some of them have more teams/players than many a small County.
We badly need our first choice half backs fit and ready for the Final as we were so open at times yesterday it wasn't funny.
Younger Daly is only out of Minor, and the other 2 are not good enough. I don't want to personalise it but.... ye'll know what I mean.
For a team that dominated so much of the game having to depend on the last kick of the game to win by 1 is not good.
I for one am worried about this Final.
The man with the cap was doing a lot of pontificating afterwards too so obviously some flaws to be rectified before we face the supermen.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2014, 03:24:20 PM
Dublin might have only 80 clubs but some of them have more teams/players than many a small County.
We badly need our first choice half backs fit and ready for the Final as we were so open at times yesterday it wasn't funny.
Younger Daly is only out of Minor, and the other 2 are not good enough. I don't want to personalise it but.... ye'll know what I mean.
For a team that dominated so much of the game having to depend on the last kick of the game to win by 1 is not good.
I for one am worried about this Final.
The man with the cap was doing a lot of pontificating afterwards too so obviously some flaws to be rectified before we face the supermen.

John Mac isn't good enough?! Have you been living under a rock? He kept Brian O'Driscoll under wraps yesterday and his man didn't have a sniff of the ball in the Connacht final. He'll be pushing Niall Daly for the senior CB berth soon enough.

Again, we were missing two, not three, 'first choice HBs' yesterday. HB isn't the line where we had the trouble either.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
This is where the lazy mans analysis comes in Westside.

Population means nothing. For a size of 1m we have 80 clubs. Cork has more GAA clubs then us- should they be split in two?

As regards the funding there is so much mis-information out there at this stage its a waste of time posting anything relevent because nobody is interested in the real story because its not sexy.

Dublin have far more players than anyone else, some clubs have loads of teams.

If you want to be compared to Cork then why don't you get the same funding as Cork? Cork got 95,000 for games development last year while Dublin got 1.5million. How is that fair? How is it mis-information also? It's the GAA's books I'm getting the numbers from.

Quote from: Dont Matter on April 20, 2014, 03:43:11 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
This is where the lazy mans analysis comes in Westside.

Population means nothing. For a size of 1m we have 80 clubs. Cork has more GAA clubs then us- should they be split in two?

As regards the funding there is so much mis-information out there at this stage its a waste of time posting anything relevent because nobody is interested in the real story because its not sexy.

Dublin have far more players than anyone else, some clubs have loads of teams.

If you want to be compared to Cork then why don't you get the same funding as Cork? Cork got 95,000 for games development last year while Dublin got 1.5million. How is that fair? How is it mis-information also? It's the GAA's books I'm getting the numbers from.

Most Dublin clubs are mired in debt and have to fund raise for anything they want to build. Do some analysis and research before posting lies about genuine GAA people who shouldn't have to apologise to the likes of you for living in an urban environment

Syferus, John Mc Manus took over the full back position on the team for most of the Hastings Cup campaign and did very well, with Kelly taking over at centre half back. When injury ruled Mc Manus out of the Mayo game, Sean Mullooly came in at full back and is there since.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
Most Dublin clubs are mired in debt and have to fund raise for anything they want to build. Do some analysis and research before posting lies about genuine GAA people who shouldn't have to apologise to the likes of you for living in an urban environment

What's this?  ;D It has nothing to do with what I posted. Loads of clubs all over the country are struggling, I don't know a club who doesn't have to fundraise.

This has nothing to do with the money provided to turn Dublin into a GAA superpower in both football and hurling. About 1.5 million every year. You wont even discuss these numbers as you know they're unfair.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 20, 2014, 04:01:44 PM
Syferus, John Mc Manus took over the full back position on the team for most of the Hastings Cup campaign and did very well, with Kelly taking over at centre half back. When injury ruled Mc Manus out of the Mayo game, Sean Mullooly came in at full back and is there since.

Thomas Featherston, the starting U21 FB from last year, was injured for much of this year. John Mac's natural position and the one he's played coming up through the grades has been CB. Fintan was a midfielder until a few weeks ago but honestly he's more suited to CB, CF or on the wing.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
It's easy for the Dubs to sit back and call us bad losers etc.. You have your U21 All Ireland Final, you have so much success you can pick and choose which big games you go to, you know you will get many many All Ireland Semi Finals and an U21 Semi Final barely registered a blip on the radar going by the poor crowd of Dubs there yesterday. Bear in mind we have about one twentieth the population of Dublin, a fraction of the funding, we might not see an All Ireland Semi Final for 15 years again. We're hurting.

Cavan have a good few available for next year, the loss of Moynagh, McVeety and Clarke is huge but we dealt with Brady and Flanagan moving on so maybe we will remain competitive. And we will probably have a more impressive array of forward next year with Connolly and Galligan and Hayes a year older. Is there a Gearoid or Barry or Moynagh or Flanagan in there to lead them and keep the tone from previous years? We'll see..

This is where the lazy mans analysis comes in Westside.

Population means nothing. For a size of 1m we have 80 clubs. Cork has more GAA clubs then us- should they be split in two?

You'll only not see another all ireland semi final again if you want to. Cavan has been asleep at the wheel for too long. Things haven't looked this good for Cavan for ages. This is a special bunch of Dublin players at present and the idea that we'll have this all the time is rubbish.

As regards the funding there is so much mis-information out there at this stage its a waste of time posting anything relevent because nobody is interested in the real story because its not sexy.

"Population means nothing".. I'm sorry Indiana but that's rubbish. Pure and utter rubbish. I agree it's not as simple as saying you have the entire population of Dublin at your disposal, there are other sports, sections of the population that will never play GAA, sections that live in Dublin but play Club football elsewhere etc..
However, one of my local clubs had an outstanding Minor side that got to the Division 1 Championship final last year. They had 18 players. 8 of that 18 were Under 16. Would any club in Dublin ever be in that situation where they could only have 3 men on the bench in a Division 1 Final? Or a lower Division playing 11 a side because they can't field 13 and have a couple of subs? That's the kind of situations we have in Cavan.

I'm not saying Dublin should be split in two or anything like that. What I am saying is that their population gives them a massive advantage over most other counties. Is that Dublin's fault? No. What I am saying is that because of Dublin's population they can be confident that they will have consistent success. Cavan don't have that luxury and hence why yesterday's loss hurt so much. That's the only point I'm making I'm not getting at Dublin.

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:11:51 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
It's easy for the Dubs to sit back and call us bad losers etc.. You have your U21 All Ireland Final, you have so much success you can pick and choose which big games you go to, you know you will get many many All Ireland Semi Finals and an U21 Semi Final barely registered a blip on the radar going by the poor crowd of Dubs there yesterday. Bear in mind we have about one twentieth the population of Dublin, a fraction of the funding, we might not see an All Ireland Semi Final for 15 years again. We're hurting.

Cavan have a good few available for next year, the loss of Moynagh, McVeety and Clarke is huge but we dealt with Brady and Flanagan moving on so maybe we will remain competitive. And we will probably have a more impressive array of forward next year with Connolly and Galligan and Hayes a year older. Is there a Gearoid or Barry or Moynagh or Flanagan in there to lead them and keep the tone from previous years? We'll see..

This is where the lazy mans analysis comes in Westside.

Population means nothing. For a size of 1m we have 80 clubs. Cork has more GAA clubs then us- should they be split in two?

You'll only not see another all ireland semi final again if you want to. Cavan has been asleep at the wheel for too long. Things haven't looked this good for Cavan for ages. This is a special bunch of Dublin players at present and the idea that we'll have this all the time is rubbish.

As regards the funding there is so much mis-information out there at this stage its a waste of time posting anything relevent because nobody is interested in the real story because its not sexy.

"Population means nothing".. I'm sorry Indiana but that's rubbish. Pure and utter rubbish. I agree it's not as simple as saying you have the entire population of Dublin at your disposal, there are other sports, sections of the population that will never play GAA, sections that live in Dublin but play Club football elsewhere etc..
However, one of my local clubs had an outstanding Minor side that got to the Division 1 Championship final last year. They had 18 players. 8 of that 18 were Under 16. Would any club in Dublin ever be in that situation where they could only have 3 men on the bench in a Division 1 Final? Or a lower Division playing 11 a side because they can't field 13 and have a couple of subs? That's the kind of situations we have in Cavan.

I'm not saying Dublin should be split in two or anything like that. What I am saying is that their population gives them a massive advantage over most other counties. Is that Dublin's fault? No. What I am saying is that because of Dublin's population they can be confident that they will have consistent success. Cavan don't have that luxury and hence why yesterday's loss hurt so much. That's the only point I'm making I'm not getting at Dublin.

Its complete rubbish and I'll tell you why there are any amount of amalgamations at underage level in Dublin because well established clubs cannot field a team

People see the top 6 clubs in Dublin and assume thats every club. it isn't or anything like it. The Top 6 dominate most grades from u14 to senior. A lot of other clubs its a hand to mouth existence.

Its Ewan Mc Kenna and John Fogarty analysis- everything about Dublin is bad.

Clubs in Dublin have been smashed by emigration like everyone else. Yes we can replace players more so then rural clubs but some clubs can't.

Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

God myles you really are a bitter, sad little man. Why play up to the Neil Toibin Cavan stereotype?

Dont defend the indefensible from the sc**bag element of the Cavan support. The officials are entitled to a basic duty of care - your fans provided nothing but toerag behaviour yesterday

I have never defended any of the sc**bag element of the Dublin support and never will.

As regards money- thats the last resort of the village idiot on gaaboard.

You think Cavan's 4 ulster u21's was built on bread and water?

Sure listen Don't matter and yourself can debate that all day. The poor misguided fool has been looking for a playmate for a few months now. You look like you can provide that.

Showing your class now with the personal insults Indiana. Cavans 4 in a row Ulsters were built on modest amounts of money raised within the county. It didn't come in any greater quantities in the last 4 years than it did before - i.e. there is no correlation between our recent success and money from Croke park. There is a correlation between hard work from dedicated Cavan men like Peter Reilly  and success though.

I am immensely proud of Peter, his management team, the players, the panel and the fans that followed the team. Its just a shame they didn't get fair play yesterday, a shame but not really a surprise.

Quote from: beer baron on April 20, 2014, 02:34:10 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 20, 2014, 02:09:36 PM
Cavan - J Farrelly; B Fortune, K Clarke, P Faulkner; G Smith, C Moynagh, C Brady (0-1); L Buchanan, M Argue (0-1); P Graham, E Flanagan (0-2), A Watson; D McVeety, T Hayes (0-2), J Dillon (0-3). Sub: A O'Hara for Moynagh, K Bouchier (0-1) for Dillon (black), C Moynagh for Fortune, C Byrne for Flanagan, E Hession for Graham, G McGovern for Buchanan.

All under age next year. Maybe next year there is an Ulster & All Ireland, Conor Madden, would have been a big help yesterday, also  eligible next year. Ryan Connolly a great prospect from the Minor team

Moynagh,Clarke and Mc Veety will be 3 massive losses,i think this year was the year if we were going to do it but i hope im wrong.

I agree Beer baron, Not sure whether the team next year can win Ulster but you never know how lads might be developing and of course how fortunate or otherwise we might be in the draw.

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

The number one reason its given is because in a study around 1999/2000 the GAA were so alarmed at the lack of penetration of the national games in the capital city they decided they had to do something about it.

Participation numbers had plummeted and were falling every year. For a city of 1m people GAA would be gone soon enough if they didn't.

Now there is definitely a case for redressing the balance and I have no issue with that. I don't see why the GAA doesn't make special funding available to certain counties for development structures. Won't win them an AI but it might in an odd year give them a shot at a provincial crown. But it seems the GAA are intent on stockpiling all their cash.

What they didn't bank on was Dublin organising their development structures so well. people think its money- its not. Its coaching expertise. So many counties were asleep at the wheel slating Dublin when they getting hammered by kilkenny at hurling and kerry and tyrone and football instead of looking after their own development structures.

But the idea that clubs in Dublin are getting it is rubbish. Dublin clubs are leveraged to the hilt in many cases from bad property deals similar to rural clubs. Have to fund raise to to build anything same as every club. We don't get anymore grants then anyone else.

Go and talk to clubs outside the top 6 and ask them how easy it is. My club is in the top 6 , has 2 all ireland club titles in 6 years and is still struggling! So Gods knows how the others are coping.

This is a special group of Dublin footballers. Our minors should have lost to Longford yesterday, Kildare have beaten us at minor level in the last couple of years, Its all cyclical. Kilkenny didn't destroy hurling winning 4 in  arow. Dublin won't at football either and we probably won't even win 2 in a row.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 05:48:02 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

God myles you really are a bitter, sad little man. Why play up to the Neil Toibin Cavan stereotype?

Dont defend the indefensible from the sc**bag element of the Cavan support. The officials are entitled to a basic duty of care - your fans provided nothing but toerag behaviour yesterday

I have never defended any of the sc**bag element of the Dublin support and never will.

As regards money- thats the last resort of the village idiot on gaaboard.

You think Cavan's 4 ulster u21's was built on bread and water?

Sure listen Don't matter and yourself can debate that all day. The poor misguided fool has been looking for a playmate for a few months now. You look like you can provide that.

Showing your class now with the personal insults Indiana. Cavans 4 in a row Ulsters were built on modest amounts of money raised within the county. It didn't come in any greater quantities in the last 4 years than it did before - i.e. there is no correlation between our recent success and money from Croke park. There is a correlation between hard work from dedicated Cavan men like Peter Reilly  and success though.

I am immensely proud of Peter, his management team, the players, the panel and the fans that followed the team. Its just a shame they didn't get fair play yesterday, a shame but not really a surprise.

You're just a sore loser Myles. The worst kind.

Peter Reilly insulted Dublin yesterday to deflect the attention from his own poor decisions. (like putting an injured player back on)

Another sore loser

Is it not to get Gaa popular at grass roots in the capital city for the development of Hurling and Football. Dublin Hurlers were abysmal for a long time, lot of improvement in recent yers and are now one of the top teams winning Leinster last year. Having a strong Dublin Hurling team is good for the Gaa.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 05:48:02 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

God myles you really are a bitter, sad little man. Why play up to the Neil Toibin Cavan stereotype?

Dont defend the indefensible from the sc**bag element of the Cavan support. The officials are entitled to a basic duty of care - your fans provided nothing but toerag behaviour yesterday

I have never defended any of the sc**bag element of the Dublin support and never will.

As regards money- thats the last resort of the village idiot on gaaboard.

You think Cavan's 4 ulster u21's was built on bread and water?

Sure listen Don't matter and yourself can debate that all day. The poor misguided fool has been looking for a playmate for a few months now. You look like you can provide that.

Showing your class now with the personal insults Indiana. Cavans 4 in a row Ulsters were built on modest amounts of money raised within the county. It didn't come in any greater quantities in the last 4 years than it did before - i.e. there is no correlation between our recent success and money from Croke park. There is a correlation between hard work from dedicated Cavan men like Peter Reilly  and success though.

I am immensely proud of Peter, his management team, the players, the panel and the fans that followed the team. Its just a shame they didn't get fair play yesterday, a shame but not really a surprise.

You're just a sore loser Myles. The worst kind.

Peter Reilly insulted Dublin yesterday to deflect the attention from his own poor decisions. (like putting an injured player back on)

Another sore loser

I couldn't care less what you think and I am sure Peter Reilly doesn't either. One team gets all the 50/50 calls you are just not man enough to admit it. Neither are you are man enough to engage with Don't Matter on a serious issue of funding of counties and seem to think struggling clubs is somehow a Dublin phenomenon - you should get out of the big smoke more often and you'd see there are clubs folding all around  the county and there is no 1.5m for them.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 20, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
Is it not to get Gaa popular at grass roots in the capital city for the development of Hurling and Football. Dublin Hurlers were abysmal for a long time, lot of improvement in recent yers and are now one of the top teams winning Leinster last year. Having a strong Dublin Hurling team is good for the Gaa.

What about Cavans hurlers Rodney, no one was more abysmal than us. Where is our glut of funding for the same purpose.

Don't you have a dedicated hurling development officer now Myles?

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 06:01:46 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 20, 2014, 05:58:32 PM
Is it not to get Gaa popular at grass roots in the capital city for the development of Hurling and Football. Dublin Hurlers were abysmal for a long time, lot of improvement in recent yers and are now one of the top teams winning Leinster last year. Having a strong Dublin Hurling team is good for the Gaa.

What about Cavans hurlers Rodney, no one was more abysmal than us. Where is our glut of funding for the same purpose.

Eoin Morrissey is a Full time coach from Waterford, been in Cavan for the last 3 years or so. Good work going on under age, Minor team won the Divison 2 Minor league last week beat Tyrone. There is only a handful of Hurling teams in Cavan - it will never have be as popular as Gaelic football. Dublin has a lot more Hurling teams and maybe that could be 50/50 with the interest

Cavan intend to have a team in the National League next year

So Dublin are at no big advantage due to population yet are receiving fifteen times the development funding others are? But this funding isn't the reason for Dublin's resurgence, it's coaching expertise... There might, MIGHT, be a case for "redressing the balance"...

I'll leave it at that.

I will say before I leave that anyone listening to Peter Reilly's interview will tell that the mean is heartbroken. Some of his comments may have been better kept to himself but if he doesn't regret them himself today then that's fair enough he's entitled to an opinion and never once took a shot at Dublin, only the GAA.
In 2009 we had Tommy Carr over the U21s. I'd say he wouldn't have been able to name the 15 he put on the field without a program in front of him. I'm proud to have a man like Peter Reilly over these young lads and every one of them have nothing but the highest praise for the man. Sincerely hope he can deliver better days in future.

Best of luck to Dublin and Roscommon in the final.

Quote from: beer baron on April 20, 2014, 02:34:10 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 20, 2014, 02:09:36 PM
Cavan - J Farrelly; B Fortune, K Clarke, P Faulkner; G Smith, C Moynagh, C Brady (0-1); L Buchanan, M Argue (0-1); P Graham, E Flanagan (0-2), A Watson; D McVeety, T Hayes (0-2), J Dillon (0-3). Sub: A O'Hara for Moynagh, K Bouchier (0-1) for Dillon (black), C Moynagh for Fortune, C Byrne for Flanagan, E Hession for Graham, G McGovern for Buchanan.

All under age next year. Maybe next year there is an Ulster & All Ireland, Conor Madden, would have been a big help yesterday, also  eligible next year. Ryan Connolly a great prospect from the Minor team

Moynagh,Clarke and Mc Veety will be 3 massive losses,i think this year was the year if we were going to do it but i hope im wrong.

Thought McVeety was better last year to be honest, he was poor yesterday and had to be taken off. Needs to get stronger for Senior football. Clarke and Moynagh big losses for sure,

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
So Dublin are at no big advantage due to population yet are receiving fifteen times the development funding others are? But this funding isn't the reason for Dublin's resurgence, it's coaching expertise... There might, MIGHT, be a case for "redressing the balance"...

I'll leave it at that.

I will say before I leave that anyone listening to Peter Reilly's interview will tell that the mean is heartbroken. Some of his comments may have been better kept to himself but if he doesn't regret them himself today then that's fair enough he's entitled to an opinion and never once took a shot at Dublin, only the GAA.
In 2009 we had Tommy Carr over the U21s. I'd say he wouldn't have been able to name the 15 he put on the field without a program in front of him. I'm proud to have a man like Peter Reilly over these young lads and every one of them have nothing but the highest praise for the man. Sincerely hope he can deliver better days in future.

Best of luck to Dublin and Roscommon in the final.

If you want to be a smart alec that's fine. But just look at the roll call of coaching staff in the dublin development system from u14 to u18 for a hint. Money won't win you anything. Top coaching will.

Cavan put Peter Donnelly in charge of S and C and got the benefit.There is a hint in that.

Peter Reilly is entitled to his opinion what's he not entitled to do is somehow blame Dublin for being better then Cavan yesterday.

I'm fed up listening to same tired ould clapped out nonsense from some counties every year in relation to Dublin. Most counties have a period where things go well for them. This is ours. We won nothing from 95 to 2011 and nobody minded then.

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Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:54:03 PM

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Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 02:01:31 PM
Like I say Dublin fans complaining about booing, Dublin fans complaining about scumbags. Am I in the twilight zone. If I wanted to be sure of finding such behavior I would head to Hill 16 when the Dubs are playing. I was there once when Dublin played Tyrone and a gang of ye were chanting something about "orange b**tards" at Tyrone. Like I said, look after yer own big problem before you try and fix a small problem in Cavan.

Why not answer Don't Matter, why is so much money being given from HQ to the Dubs when they are well able to fund themselves?

God myles you really are a bitter, sad little man. Why play up to the Neil Toibin Cavan stereotype?

Dont defend the indefensible from the sc**bag element of the Cavan support. The officials are entitled to a basic duty of care - your fans provided nothing but toerag behaviour yesterday

I have never defended any of the sc**bag element of the Dublin support and never will.

As regards money- thats the last resort of the village idiot on gaaboard.

You think Cavan's 4 ulster u21's was built on bread and water?

Sure listen Don't matter and yourself can debate that all day. The poor misguided fool has been looking for a playmate for a few months now. You look like you can provide that.

Showing your class now with the personal insults Indiana. Cavans 4 in a row Ulsters were built on modest amounts of money raised within the county. It didn't come in any greater quantities in the last 4 years than it did before - i.e. there is no correlation between our recent success and money from Croke park. There is a correlation between hard work from dedicated Cavan men like Peter Reilly  and success though.

I am immensely proud of Peter, his management team, the players, the panel and the fans that followed the team. Its just a shame they didn't get fair play yesterday, a shame but not really a surprise.

You're just a sore loser Myles. The worst kind.

Peter Reilly insulted Dublin yesterday to deflect the attention from his own poor decisions. (like putting an injured player back on)

Another sore loser

I couldn't care less what you think and I am sure Peter Reilly doesn't either. One team gets all the 50/50 calls you are just not man enough to admit it. Neither are you are man enough to engage with Don't Matter on a serious issue of funding of counties and seem to think struggling clubs is somehow a Dublin phenomenon - you should get out of the big smoke more often and you'd see there are clubs folding all around  the county and there is no 1.5m for them.

I've engaged several times with him Myles in the past. Please keep up. However I can't got the time nor inclination to continue the monotone conversation where he spouts complete inaccuracies.

I don't care what you or your esteemed u21 manager think either but there is a way to carry yourself as a manager and as a supporter. And in my opinion Cavan let themselves down yesterday.

If the Dublin fans or manager reacted with the same sort of nonsensical comments or fans who abused the referee like yours did yesterday we'd have two threads running about Dublin scumbags. But because its your county its ok is it?

That's fine Myles. I know where you're coming from now.

Indiana - The transcript of Peters interview is here

http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/gaelicfootball/articles/2014/04/19/4029700-audio-reilly-unhappy-with-referee-after-heartbreaking-onepoint-defeat/

He is at pains to not blame Dublin. His criticism is totally directed at the GAA and the referees performance. Maybe you might listen to it as you clearly have not if you think he was critical of Dublin.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 20, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
Indiana - The transcript of Peters interview is here

http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/gaelicfootball/articles/2014/04/19/4029700-audio-reilly-unhappy-with-referee-after-heartbreaking-onepoint-defeat/

He is at pains to not blame Dublin. His criticism is totally directed at the GAA and the referees performance. Maybe you might listen to it as you clearly have not if you think he was critical of Dublin.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html

Silly comments

You're a bit of a tool aren't you Indiana. The Anglocelt is the full interview. Breaking news took some comments out of context. You'd rather slobber about the latter for some reason. Sure the GAA have been giving ye as much as they can since the 95 all Ireland when ye cheated a win over Tyrone.

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 07:05:27 PM
You're a bit of a tool aren't you Indiana. The Anglocelt is the full interview. Breaking news took some comments out of context. You'd rather slobber about the latter for some reason. Sure the GAA have been giving ye as much as they can since the 95 all Ireland when ye cheated a win over Tyrone.

I can always put up the youtube video showing the Cavan fans and management engaging in what you might call civilised behaviour Itchy. If I'm a tool I'll have to live with that but what would you call them? No better then some of the louts on the Hill in my view.

Maybe you've an itch that needs to be scratched. Tyrone like complaining about referees too as we saw a few weeks ago. Its easier then admitting you lost. I'd watch a bit less of the Jose Mourinho interviews.

You're right about one thing, you will have to live with it lad.

Just skimming over the last page there and someone mentions that Cavan hurling is improving with the help of a games development officer. That's one games development officer. Can you imagine the improvements that could be made with one in nearly every club!
Also the high profile names that Dublin have coaching their underage teams were mentioned, they don't come cheap. It's clear that this sort of investment gives you results, how can it not? Here's some stats to back it up.
Dublin have won 5 Leinster titles and 2 All Ireland's at u21 football level since 2005 when the 1.5 million or so came yearly. They only won 4 Leinsters and 1 All Ireland since the 70's before that. This is no coincidence, it's all about the money. When you see the improvements from nowhere in hurling you add further proof to this.
Now, I have made nothing up here, it's all fact but don't expect any Dub to tackle any of these facts, they can't. They will invent stories, deflect or attack the poster. What chance do ordinary counties like Cavan, Roscommon etc have of competing when they come up against the money machine? They're putting in huge efforts to improve their teams but are being robbed of All Ireland appearances at underage and robbed of success.

Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
You're right about one thing, you will have to live with it lad.

When you're the judge believe me I can live with it.

The bitterness and hatred of Dublin, and all things Dublin, is rampant on this forum. Its embarrassing to think this is coming from fellow Irishmen. Its what you'd expect to see on a loyalist messageboard.

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Its getting a tad tiresome now guys

Money won't take you far if you haven't the footballers as well. Dublin have massive resources but have big numbers. Dublin are going through a great spell.

Cavan are to be commended for the structures they have in place. Unfortunately they haven't the population to go with it but they're making massive strides and got to within a point of the current superpower of football which is a massive achievement in itself.

On the game itself, Cavan are naturally aggrieved at some of the decisions that the referee rightly gave to Dublin but failed to reward Dublin in very similar circumstances.

Losing a game like this, after having out so much into it, emotions were running high and sadly but understandably, things were said and done that most will today regret.

Dublin are a great side. Cavan are likewise a brilliant side. Good luck to both in their future development.

Quote from: Dont Matter on April 20, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
Just skimming over the last page there and someone mentions that Cavan hurling is improving with the help of a games development officer. That's one games development officer. Can you imagine the improvements that could be made with one in nearly every club!
Also the high profile names that Dublin have coaching their underage teams were mentioned, they don't come cheap. It's clear that this sort of investment gives you results, how can it not? Here's some stats to back it up.
Dublin have won 5 Leinster titles and 2 All Ireland's at u21 football level since 2005 when the 1.5 million or so came yearly. They only won 4 Leinsters and 1 All Ireland since the 70's before that. This is no coincidence, it's all about the money. When you see the improvements from nowhere in hurling you add further proof to this.
Now, I have made nothing up here, it's all fact but don't expect any Dub to tackle any of these facts, they can't. They will invent stories, deflect or attack the poster. What chance do ordinary counties like Cavan, Roscommon etc have of competing when they come up against the money machine? They're putting in huge efforts to improve their teams but are being robbed of All Ireland appearances at underage and robbed of success.

That's incorrect as ever. From the period of time circa 1980-2005 thereafter after you eloquently put it  from when we received the 1.5m

Dublin won Leinster Championships in 1983,1984,1985,1989, 1992, 1993,1994,1995, 2002 and 2005. Thats ten by my count considerably more then 4.

We won All Ireland Titles in 1983 and 1995. Thats two titles not one.

We won National League Football Titles in 1987, 1991 and 1993. and beaten finalists in 3 also. That's 3 titles .

Plus since the 1.5m  came in 2005. Several of the current dublin senior team were well past 18 at the time so I'm at a loss as to how these monies directly impacted the annexing of the 2011 title in particular.

But no doubt you've another bullshit theory to impart on us.

Saturday May 3rd O'Connor Park, Tullamore to be the venue for the Under 21 AI Final, Throw-in at 3pm.

Okay guys I think enough has been said on Dublin GAA, can we just move on and look forward to the matter at hand? Tullamore has been confirmed as the venue with throw at 3pm, looking  forward to a good game :)

Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Saturday May 3rd O'Connor Park, Tullamore to be the venue for the Under 21 AI Final, Throw-in at 3pm.

As you were for 2012. Good ground for the final. Hopefully the result is reversed.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 08:17:13 PM

Quote from: Dont Matter on April 20, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
Just skimming over the last page there and someone mentions that Cavan hurling is improving with the help of a games development officer. That's one games development officer. Can you imagine the improvements that could be made with one in nearly every club!
Also the high profile names that Dublin have coaching their underage teams were mentioned, they don't come cheap. It's clear that this sort of investment gives you results, how can it not? Here's some stats to back it up.
Dublin have won 5 Leinster titles and 2 All Ireland's at u21 football level since 2005 when the 1.5 million or so came yearly. They only won 4 Leinsters and 1 All Ireland since the 70's before that. This is no coincidence, it's all about the money. When you see the improvements from nowhere in hurling you add further proof to this.
Now, I have made nothing up here, it's all fact but don't expect any Dub to tackle any of these facts, they can't. They will invent stories, deflect or attack the poster. What chance do ordinary counties like Cavan, Roscommon etc have of competing when they come up against the money machine? They're putting in huge efforts to improve their teams but are being robbed of All Ireland appearances at underage and robbed of success.

That's incorrect as ever. From the period of time circa 1980-2005 thereafter after you eloquently put it  from when we received the 1.5m

Dublin won Leinster Championships in 1983,1984,1985,1989, 1992, 1993,1994,1995, 2002 and 2005. Thats ten by my count considerably more then 4.

We won All Ireland Titles in 1983 and 1995. Thats two titles not one.

We won National League Football Titles in 1987, 1991 and 1993. and beaten finalists in 3 also. That's 3 titles .

Plus since the 1.5m  came in 2005. Several of the current dublin senior team were well past 18 at the time so I'm at a loss as to how these monies directly impacted the annexing of the 2011 title in particular.

But no doubt you've another bullshit theory to impart on us.

to be fair there - he specified the U21s .

Quote from: Drummerboy on April 20, 2014, 08:10:45 PM
The bitterness and hatred of Dublin, and all things Dublin, is rampant on this forum. Its embarrassing to think this is coming from fellow Irishmen. Its what you'd expect to see on a loyalist messageboard.

I said the Dubs wouldn't deal with the actual facts been presented and I've been proved correct. This is about fair play for all teams involved in Gaelic Games, nothing else.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
That's incorrect as ever. From the period of time circa 1980-2005 thereafter after you eloquently put it  from when we received the 1.5m

Dublin won Leinster Championships in 1983,1984,1985,1989, 1992, 1993,1994,1995, 2002 and 2005. Thats ten by my count considerably more then 4.

We won All Ireland Titles in 1983 and 1995. Thats two titles not one.

We won National League Football Titles in 1987, 1991 and 1993. and beaten finalists in 3 also. That's 3 titles .

Plus since the 1.5m  came in 2005. Several of the current dublin senior team were well past 18 at the time so I'm at a loss as to how these monies directly impacted the annexing of the 2011 title in particular.

But no doubt you've another bullshit theory to impart on us.

What's all this about? Would you mind reading my posts properly? I suppose being a Dub you're bound to have reading problems.
I was talking about u21 football with my stats, as I said in my post. You've just gone and put up senior titles.
If I'm right in calculating that they had to be born before 87 to be overage for the multi million euro system, then a good few that won the 2011 All Ireland did go through the system. Most of the back line anyway.

Some crap being spouted on here lads.

Some of the most knowledgable GAA people I know stand in the hill at Dublin games. So to say they are 'scumbags' is just plain silly. Every crowd brings a bandwagon of clowns when they gain success. Tyrone and Armagh examples in the 00's.

What happened after the game was a disgrace regardless of the right/wrong decision made by the referee. That moron in the grey hoody should be banned for 6 months.

A few from yesterday:


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Special extra edition:

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The top of Jack's head was too fast for my camera's image sensor to catch:


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Apparently Argue alone wasn't enough of a challenge for the Dublin midfield:


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Moynagh's injury was a big blow to Cavan.

Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Moynagh's injury was a big blow to Cavan.

Where were Shane Carthy and Michael Deegan yesterday?   

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 20, 2014, 11:26:31 PM

Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Moynagh's injury was a big blow to Cavan.

Where were Shane Carthy and Michael Deegan yesterday?

Both injured I assume.

Dublin's strength in depth proved crucial as they just edged out a hard-working Cavan to book their place in the Cadbury's All-Ireland U21FC final against Roscommon.
Dessie Farrell had to field without Leinster final man of the match Shane Carthy, while the likes of Emmet Ó Conghaile and Gavin Ivory made an impact off the bench.

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 20, 2014, 11:26:31 PM

Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Moynagh's injury was a big blow to Cavan.

Where were Shane Carthy and Michael Deegan yesterday?

Same place as Sanky and Madden. Another Dublin tool.

Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2014, 12:19:57 AM

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 20, 2014, 11:26:31 PM

Quote from: orangeman on April 20, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Moynagh's injury was a big blow to Cavan.

Where were Shane Carthy and Michael Deegan yesterday?

Same place as Sanky and Madden. Another Dublin tool.

Nevin O' Donnell also.

Quote from: brianboru00 on April 20, 2014, 09:03:26 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 08:17:13 PM

Quote from: Dont Matter on April 20, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
Just skimming over the last page there and someone mentions that Cavan hurling is improving with the help of a games development officer. That's one games development officer. Can you imagine the improvements that could be made with one in nearly every club!
Also the high profile names that Dublin have coaching their underage teams were mentioned, they don't come cheap. It's clear that this sort of investment gives you results, how can it not? Here's some stats to back it up.
Dublin have won 5 Leinster titles and 2 All Ireland's at u21 football level since 2005 when the 1.5 million or so came yearly. They only won 4 Leinsters and 1 All Ireland since the 70's before that. This is no coincidence, it's all about the money. When you see the improvements from nowhere in hurling you add further proof to this.
Now, I have made nothing up here, it's all fact but don't expect any Dub to tackle any of these facts, they can't. They will invent stories, deflect or attack the poster. What chance do ordinary counties like Cavan, Roscommon etc have of competing when they come up against the money machine? They're putting in huge efforts to improve their teams but are being robbed of All Ireland appearances at underage and robbed of success.

That's incorrect as ever. From the period of time circa 1980-2005 thereafter after you eloquently put it  from when we received the 1.5m

Dublin won Leinster Championships in 1983,1984,1985,1989, 1992, 1993,1994,1995, 2002 and 2005. Thats ten by my count considerably more then 4.

We won All Ireland Titles in 1983 and 1995. Thats two titles not one.

We won National League Football Titles in 1987, 1991 and 1993. and beaten finalists in 3 also. That's 3 titles .

Plus since the 1.5m  came in 2005. Several of the current dublin senior team were well past 18 at the time so I'm at a loss as to how these monies directly impacted the annexing of the 2011 title in particular.

But no doubt you've another bullshit theory to impart on us.

to be fair there - he specified the U21s .

Dont Matter's stats look to be concrete. A replay is now the best option.

Congrats to the Rossies, hope ye win it now

Thanks macdanger2, we'll take all the good wishes we get. I didn't realise until today, that the goalkeeper on the Cork U-21 team last Saturday, is a son of Micheal Martin, Fianna Fail leader. Seems to be good news on the injury front for Ros ahead of the final. Fintan Sweeney, Fintan Kelly and Conor Daly who were all injured for last weekend, are all expected to be fit for the final. All we need now is to keep John Evans away from them next weekend in Croke Park!!

I saw the FF leader wandering around the back of the stand on Saturday. A few obviously loyal lúlás were getting photos taken with him. :(
Great news if the 3 Half backs are fit as they'll be needed to tighten things up.

Quote from: Shrewdness on April 22, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
Thanks macdanger2, we'll take all the good wishes we get. I didn't realise until today, that the goalkeeper on the Cork U-21 team last Saturday, is a son of Micheal Martin, Fianna Fail leader. Seems to be good news on the injury front for Ros ahead of the final. Fintan Sweeney, Fintan Kelly and Conor Daly who were all injured for last weekend, are all expected to be fit for the final. All we need now is to keep John Evans away from them next weekend in Croke Park!!

Evans has confirmed that none of the U 21s will be involved this weekend.

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
So Dublin are at no big advantage due to population yet are receiving fifteen times the development funding others are? But this funding isn't the reason for Dublin's resurgence, it's coaching expertise... There might, MIGHT, be a case for "redressing the balance"...

I'll leave it at that.

I will say before I leave that anyone listening to Peter Reilly's interview will tell that the mean is heartbroken. Some of his comments may have been better kept to himself but if he doesn't regret them himself today then that's fair enough he's entitled to an opinion and never once took a shot at Dublin, only the GAA.
In 2009 we had Tommy Carr over the U21s. I'd say he wouldn't have been able to name the 15 he put on the field without a program in front of him. I'm proud to have a man like Peter Reilly over these young lads and every one of them have nothing but the highest praise for the man. Sincerely hope he can deliver better days in future.

Best of luck to Dublin and Roscommon in the final.

Lucky for you that is in the past.

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Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2014, 03:24:20 PM
Dublin might have only 80 clubs but some of them have more teams/players than many a small County.
We badly need our first choice half backs fit and ready for the Final as we were so open at times yesterday it wasn't funny.
Younger Daly is only out of Minor, and the other 2 are not good enough. I don't want to personalise it but.... ye'll know what I mean.
For a team that dominated so much of the game having to depend on the last kick of the game to win by 1 is not good.
I for one am worried about this Final.
The man with the cap was doing a lot of pontificating afterwards too so obviously some flaws to be rectified before we face the supermen.

John Mac isn't good enough?! Have you been living under a rock? He kept Brian O'Driscoll under wraps yesterday and his man didn't have a sniff of the ball in the Connacht final. He'll be pushing Niall Daly for the senior CB berth soon enough.

Just noticed this nonsense now.  I doubt he will ever make a Senior footballer unless we fall back to where we were 2005-2008.
FFS the lad kept passing ball to Corkmen and our HB line last week was like the Red Sea when Moses came calling.

Quote from: macdanger2 on April 21, 2014, 10:47:16 PM
Congrats to the Rossies, hope ye win it now

Yea, best of luck to the Rossies in the Final.

I hope they party afterwards till at least July.  ;D

Eugene backs Cavan complaints.

The former chairman of the Football Review Committee (FRC) Eugene McGee, who helped introduce both the black card and the advantage rule, has expressed his opinion the Dublin player should indeed have been black carded, as "deliberate this foul most certainly was", while the advantage rule was also misapplied.
"As with all new rules it is not just players or mentors who have to get accustomed to them, but the referees also," said McGee.

Quote from: orangeman on April 23, 2014, 12:01:31 AM

Eugene backs Cavan complaints.

The former chairman of the Football Review Committee (FRC) Eugene McGee, who helped introduce both the black card and the advantage rule, has expressed his opinion the Dublin player should indeed have been black carded, as "deliberate this foul most certainly was", while the advantage rule was also misapplied.
"As with all new rules it is not just players or mentors who have to get accustomed to them, but the referees also," said McGee.

Well it shows he doesn't know what he's talking about as was clearly shown Cavan player pulled McHugh down on to the ground. Anyone that denies has either not looked at the incident or is being deliberately dishonest.

Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 23, 2014, 09:10:52 AM

Quote from: orangeman on April 23, 2014, 12:01:31 AM

Eugene backs Cavan complaints.

The former chairman of the Football Review Committee (FRC) Eugene McGee, who helped introduce both the black card and the advantage rule, has expressed his opinion the Dublin player should indeed have been black carded, as "deliberate this foul most certainly was", while the advantage rule was also misapplied.
"As with all new rules it is not just players or mentors who have to get accustomed to them, but the referees also," said McGee.

Well it shows he doesn't know what he's talking about as was clearly shown Cavan player pulled McHugh down on to the ground. Anyone that denies has either not looked at the incident or is being deliberately dishonest.

+1
The Dublin player definitely fouled but it wasn't a deli biotite pull down as the camera clearly shows the Cavan player pulling the Dublin Jersey before they both went to ground simultaneously

Sure what would McGee know, he only wrote the rule book on it.

Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 23, 2014, 10:24:41 AM
Sure what would McGee know, he only wrote the rule book on it.

just because he was part of the committee doesn't mean he didn't make a mistake in his viewing if the incident in question
Did the Cavan player grab the Dublin players jersey in the incident on question?

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

The number one reason its given is because in a study around 1999/2000 the GAA were so alarmed at the lack of penetration of the national games in the capital city they decided they had to do something about it.

Participation numbers had plummeted and were falling every year. For a city of 1m people GAA would be gone soon enough if they didn't.

Now there is definitely a case for redressing the balance and I have no issue with that. I don't see why the GAA doesn't make special funding available to certain counties for development structures. Won't win them an AI but it might in an odd year give them a shot at a provincial crown. But it seems the GAA are intent on stockpiling all their cash.

What they didn't bank on was Dublin organising their development structures so well. people think its money- its not. Its coaching expertise. So many counties were asleep at the wheel slating Dublin when they getting hammered by kilkenny at hurling and kerry and tyrone and football instead of looking after their own development structures.

But the idea that clubs in Dublin are getting it is rubbish. Dublin clubs are leveraged to the hilt in many cases from bad property deals similar to rural clubs. Have to fund raise to to build anything same as every club. We don't get anymore grants then anyone else.

Go and talk to clubs outside the top 6 and ask them how easy it is. My club is in the top 6 , has 2 all ireland club titles in 6 years and is still struggling! So Gods knows how the others are coping.

This is a special group of Dublin footballers. Our minors should have lost to Longford yesterday, Kildare have beaten us at minor level in the last couple of years, Its all cyclical. Kilkenny didn't destroy hurling winning 4 in  arow. Dublin won't at football either and we probably won't even win 2 in a row.

Who are the top 6 you're on about Indiana?
You've mentioned a few times about these top 6 and smaller clubs failing. Its not something I buy.
As someone that played, trained, managed and was on the committee of a small club they issue is too many clubs in a small area. If you look around Crumlin you have Crumlin, James Gaels, Good Council, Robert Emmets and part of TSS all within an asses roar of each other, the first four should look at amalgamations, apart from james and emmets they have good grounds which they own.

Which of these monster clubs would not make your top six?
Ballyboden
Kilmacud
Judes
Na Fianna
Brigids
Vincents
Ballymun

And that list doesnt include Ballinteer, Erins Isle, Slyvesters, Lucan, Tomas Davis, Plunketts and Parnells.

All of these clubs are bigger than anything we have in Mayo

When you go outside of that list there are plenty of other clubs, especially in north county dublin, that are thriving, Raheny, Maurs, Pats, Annes, Mernog, Man O War

Then you have the likes of TSS and Olafs that are going to be monster clubs

Reilly's done a great job in deflecting discussions away from the real reason Cavan lost - Him!

On the day, Cavan had the better footballers overall, yet the tactics employed were those of a team who'd be happy to avoid a hammering. Despite the tactics, and because they have good players, they still very nearly managed to win - if only the manager had the cop on and bravery to notice what was happeining in front of his eyes and let them off the leash. Need not even mention the ridicilous substitution. in my view, if for example the Rossie manager had been in charge of Cavan, Cavan would have beaten the Dubs by 3 or 4 points. It was a sickening defeat for Cavan, we've all been there and plenty have reacted like moaning whingebags in such circumstances.

Rossies will beat the Dubs next time, unless the Dubs improve. They will improve if Dessie gets access to the senior players on a full time basis between the semi and final. But I doubt they will improve if the lads are back with the seniors for the NFL final (which I presume is what is happening as senior is more important).

Dublin u21s are not with the seniors and won't be. Farrell has them exclusively till final.

Quote from: Hill16 Blues on April 23, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
Dublin u21s are not with the seniors and won't be. Farrell has them exclusively till final.

So no Mannion, Mc Caffrey or Costello for Sunday? Interesting.

None of those were used against Cork in the Semi so not a surpirse they won't be involved against Derry.

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 23, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
None of those were used against Cork in the Semi so not a surpirse they won't be involved agaisnt Derry.

True, they have plenty of able replacements anyway.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 23, 2014, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

The number one reason its given is because in a study around 1999/2000 the GAA were so alarmed at the lack of penetration of the national games in the capital city they decided they had to do something about it.

Participation numbers had plummeted and were falling every year. For a city of 1m people GAA would be gone soon enough if they didn't.

Now there is definitely a case for redressing the balance and I have no issue with that. I don't see why the GAA doesn't make special funding available to certain counties for development structures. Won't win them an AI but it might in an odd year give them a shot at a provincial crown. But it seems the GAA are intent on stockpiling all their cash.

What they didn't bank on was Dublin organising their development structures so well. people think its money- its not. Its coaching expertise. So many counties were asleep at the wheel slating Dublin when they getting hammered by kilkenny at hurling and kerry and tyrone and football instead of looking after their own development structures.

But the idea that clubs in Dublin are getting it is rubbish. Dublin clubs are leveraged to the hilt in many cases from bad property deals similar to rural clubs. Have to fund raise to to build anything same as every club. We don't get anymore grants then anyone else.

Go and talk to clubs outside the top 6 and ask them how easy it is. My club is in the top 6 , has 2 all ireland club titles in 6 years and is still struggling! So Gods knows how the others are coping.

This is a special group of Dublin footballers. Our minors should have lost to Longford yesterday, Kildare have beaten us at minor level in the last couple of years, Its all cyclical. Kilkenny didn't destroy hurling winning 4 in  arow. Dublin won't at football either and we probably won't even win 2 in a row.

Who are the top 6 you're on about Indiana?
You've mentioned a few times about these top 6 and smaller clubs failing. Its not something I buy.
As someone that played, trained, managed and was on the committee of a small club they issue is too many clubs in a small area. If you look around Crumlin you have Crumlin, James Gaels, Good Council, Robert Emmets and part of TSS all within an asses roar of each other, the first four should look at amalgamations, apart from james and emmets they have good grounds which they own.

Which of these monster clubs would not make your top six?
Ballyboden
Kilmacud
Judes
Na Fianna
Brigids
Vincents
Ballymun

And that list doesnt include Ballinteer, Erins Isle, Slyvesters, Lucan, Tomas Davis, Plunketts and Parnells.

All of these clubs are bigger than anything we have in Mayo

When you go outside of that list there are plenty of other clubs, especially in north county dublin, that are thriving, Raheny, Maurs, Pats, Annes, Mernog, Man O War

Then you have the likes of TSS and Olafs that are going to be monster clubs

No comment on this Indiana?
Possibly cause you were talking out of ur arse when no one would contradict you?

Sounds like you are the one spouting the brown stuff here MFS. Just look at your name!

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 25, 2014, 10:06:00 AM

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 23, 2014, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

The number one reason its given is because in a study around 1999/2000 the GAA were so alarmed at the lack of penetration of the national games in the capital city they decided they had to do something about it.

Participation numbers had plummeted and were falling every year. For a city of 1m people GAA would be gone soon enough if they didn't.

Now there is definitely a case for redressing the balance and I have no issue with that. I don't see why the GAA doesn't make special funding available to certain counties for development structures. Won't win them an AI but it might in an odd year give them a shot at a provincial crown. But it seems the GAA are intent on stockpiling all their cash.

What they didn't bank on was Dublin organising their development structures so well. people think its money- its not. Its coaching expertise. So many counties were asleep at the wheel slating Dublin when they getting hammered by kilkenny at hurling and kerry and tyrone and football instead of looking after their own development structures.

But the idea that clubs in Dublin are getting it is rubbish. Dublin clubs are leveraged to the hilt in many cases from bad property deals similar to rural clubs. Have to fund raise to to build anything same as every club. We don't get anymore grants then anyone else.

Go and talk to clubs outside the top 6 and ask them how easy it is. My club is in the top 6 , has 2 all ireland club titles in 6 years and is still struggling! So Gods knows how the others are coping.

This is a special group of Dublin footballers. Our minors should have lost to Longford yesterday, Kildare have beaten us at minor level in the last couple of years, Its all cyclical. Kilkenny didn't destroy hurling winning 4 in  arow. Dublin won't at football either and we probably won't even win 2 in a row.

Who are the top 6 you're on about Indiana?
You've mentioned a few times about these top 6 and smaller clubs failing. Its not something I buy.
As someone that played, trained, managed and was on the committee of a small club they issue is too many clubs in a small area. If you look around Crumlin you have Crumlin, James Gaels, Good Council, Robert Emmets and part of TSS all within an asses roar of each other, the first four should look at amalgamations, apart from james and emmets they have good grounds which they own.

Which of these monster clubs would not make your top six?
Ballyboden
Kilmacud
Judes
Na Fianna
Brigids
Vincents
Ballymun

And that list doesnt include Ballinteer, Erins Isle, Slyvesters, Lucan, Tomas Davis, Plunketts and Parnells.

All of these clubs are bigger than anything we have in Mayo

When you go outside of that list there are plenty of other clubs, especially in north county dublin, that are thriving, Raheny, Maurs, Pats, Annes, Mernog, Man O War

Then you have the likes of TSS and Olafs that are going to be monster clubs

No comment on this Indiana?
Possibly cause you were talking out of ur arse when no one would contradict you?

Only skimmed over previous posts but just have to point out for every BBSE, Kilmacud Crokes etc there are probably 10 or so clubs struggling or if not struggling fighting hard not to struggle. Big problem getting mentors like everywhere in the country.

Population of Dublin as a whole is a neat figure to throw out while the fact that there are 80 or so GAA clubs in the county as a whole never really mentioned.

Dublin has its advantages but not to the extent that is regularly trotted out. Fact that county is trying to re establish hurling in the county also neatly forgotten by other counties with a near sole interest in football.
Alot of players have also emigrated which may be surprising to those who think jobs are plentiful in Dublin.

Not denying we have "advantages" but not to the extent the begrudgers caterwail about.

http://www.grassrootsgaa.ie/special-feature/the-effects-of-emigration-on-dublin-club-clann-mhuire (http://www.grassrootsgaa.ie/special-feature/the-effects-of-emigration-on-dublin-club-clann-mhuire)

Quote from: northsideboy on April 25, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
Sounds like you are the one spouting the brown stuff here MFS. Just look at your name!

That really is the level of argument the Dubs can come back with

Canalman theres not 10 clubs for every BBSE, I've listed out 22 clubs there, you could add in a whole lot more like that are comfortable to thriving, Blackrock rugby are having to sell land to Cuala FFS, Cuala! There are a handful of clubs struggling close to the city centre because of superclubs just hoovering up the players, these clubs wont last, but the vast majority of clubs are doing well and expanding and the GAA are still pumping money into the development of GAA in Dublin and its an unfair advantage

My point stands. You didn't mention any of the other 60 or so clubs I note.
IO'd say St Maurs and two St Patrick's would have a wry smile of your rosy picture presented.

Once again I am not saying we don't have "advantages" here in Dublin I am just saying that it is greatly exaggerated.

Be careful guys in demanding Dublin be split. Once the traditional county structure goes the merging of counties will be next on the cards. If you think that the 1922 treaty was divisive wait till you see the reaction if counties are proposed to be merged.

A Mayo/Sligo combination has a nice ring to it.  ;)

But you do admit theres not "probably 10 or so clubs struggling or if not struggling fighting hard not to struggle"

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 25, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
But you do admit theres not "probably 10 or so clubs struggling or if not struggling fighting hard not to struggle"

Stand by what I posted.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on April 23, 2014, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2014, 05:51:17 PM

Quote from: Westside on April 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
Let's say for a second that you're right and Dublin don't have an advantage due to population (which I'm finding it hard to believe that you're actually saying to someone from Cavan).. Why are they given 1.5 million for games development and Cork, who have more clubs as you've said yourself, get 95k if what the lad above says is true? (If it's not then fair enough)
Surely the only rationale for giving Dublin such a huge amount of funding for games development would be if they were reaching a massively higher proportion of players than the counties that were given so much less?

Genuine questions here as I haven't ever paid much attention to this debate or the Dublin defence to it.

The number one reason its given is because in a study around 1999/2000 the GAA were so alarmed at the lack of penetration of the national games in the capital city they decided they had to do something about it.

Participation numbers had plummeted and were falling every year. For a city of 1m people GAA would be gone soon enough if they didn't.

Now there is definitely a case for redressing the balance and I have no issue with that. I don't see why the GAA doesn't make special funding available to certain counties for development structures. Won't win them an AI but it might in an odd year give them a shot at a provincial crown. But it seems the GAA are intent on stockpiling all their cash.

What they didn't bank on was Dublin organising their development structures so well. people think its money- its not. Its coaching expertise. So many counties were asleep at the wheel slating Dublin when they getting hammered by kilkenny at hurling and kerry and tyrone and football instead of looking after their own development structures.

But the idea that clubs in Dublin are getting it is rubbish. Dublin clubs are leveraged to the hilt in many cases from bad property deals similar to rural clubs. Have to fund raise to to build anything same as every club. We don't get anymore grants then anyone else.

Go and talk to clubs outside the top 6 and ask them how easy it is. My club is in the top 6 , has 2 all ireland club titles in 6 years and is still struggling! So Gods knows how the others are coping.

This is a special group of Dublin footballers. Our minors should have lost to Longford yesterday, Kildare have beaten us at minor level in the last couple of years, Its all cyclical. Kilkenny didn't destroy hurling winning 4 in  arow. Dublin won't at football either and we probably won't even win 2 in a row.

Who are the top 6 you're on about Indiana?
You've mentioned a few times about these top 6 and smaller clubs failing. Its not something I buy.
As someone that played, trained, managed and was on the committee of a small club they issue is too many clubs in a small area. If you look around Crumlin you have Crumlin, James Gaels, Good Council, Robert Emmets and part of TSS all within an asses roar of each other, the first four should look at amalgamations, apart from james and emmets they have good grounds which they own.

Which of these monster clubs would not make your top six?
Ballyboden
Kilmacud
Judes
Na Fianna
Brigids
Vincents
Ballymun

And that list doesnt include Ballinteer, Erins Isle, Slyvesters, Lucan, Tomas Davis, Plunketts and Parnells.

All of these clubs are bigger than anything we have in Mayo

When you go outside of that list there are plenty of other clubs, especially in north county dublin, that are thriving, Raheny, Maurs, Pats, Annes, Mernog, Man O War

Then you have the likes of TSS and Olafs that are going to be monster clubs

Vincents - we have 4 adult football teams and three adult hurling. We are tiny compared to some of the above. We aren't remotely close to the top 6 in dublin size wise.

In short your post is inaccurate.

Erins Isle are struggling badly. Rooted to the bottom of Div 2 and a club that hasn't won anything in years and surrounded by soccer. Its in big trouble.

Balinteer sandwiched between Boden and Crokes it holds its own but its not a big club or anything like it. It currently doesn't have a senior football manager because they haven't been able to get one. More of a hurling club.

Lucan - its largely a hurling club now. Football gone to pot and they are struggling badly at it after being relegated to Div 2.

Thomas Davis- in a soccer district it just holds its own . Past glories a distant memory now. Mired in millions of euros of debt.

Plunketts has 3 adult football teams are you seriously suggesting that a big club?

Parnells is not considered a Dublin club as it has half of Ireland playing for it -its essentially theold Civil  Service club.

Man O War- with a paddyfield for a pitch and one and a half adult football teams is thriving is it? Pass it on to them.

Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

St Annes - two players over 40 playing for their senior team. Two adult football teams which the Mc Nallys still have to play for the second team or they couldn't field/ Thats a thriving big club is it ?.

Raheny is going well but again have very small numbers.

Pats? Tiny, tiny club. A lot of clubs in Mayo are miles bigger.

Olafs? Are you having a laugh? A senior team with an average of 31. Hasn't won an underage championship for donkey's years and Crokes and Boden take all their best players?

In the name of sanity do some god damn research the next time man.

Oh and by the way Innisfails in Dublin just went to the wall this week.

Your description of Naomh Mearnog reminds me a lot of us in Knockmore.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

Indiana I am not on the side of my fellow culchies on this.

But with the numbers you quote, Mearnóg would be the biggest club in Mayo.

Quote from: muppet on April 25, 2014, 08:57:17 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

Indiana I am not on the side of my fellow culchies on this.

But with the numbers you quote, Mearnóg would be the biggest club in Mayo.

So Knockmore is the biggest club in Mayo and West Roscommon.

Quote from: muppet on April 25, 2014, 08:57:17 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

Indiana I am not on the side of my fellow culchies on this.

But with the numbers you quote, Mearnóg would be the biggest club in Mayo.

With two and a half football teams? I doubt it very much.

Kilmacud and Boden dwarf every other club in Dublin. By a mile.

Ballymun again probably have two and a half adult football teams. Some weeks we are struggling to get 3.

We lost half our senior hurling team to Australia about 3 years ago. Granted we can replace them easier but not with the same quality we can't.

On average a lot of our clubs have far more in common with country clubs then the Independent Media Group lets on.

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 10:25:19 PM

Quote from: muppet on April 25, 2014, 08:57:17 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

Indiana I am not on the side of my fellow culchies on this.

But with the numbers you quote, Mearnóg would be the biggest club in Mayo.

With two and a half football teams? I doubt it very much.

Kilmacud and Boden dwarf every other club in Dublin. By a mile.

Ballymun again probably have two and a half adult football teams. Some weeks we are struggling to get 3.

We lost half our senior hurling team to Australia about 3 years ago. Granted we can replace them easier but not with the same quality we can't.

On average a lot of our clubs have far more in common with country clubs then the Independent Media Group lets on.

3 adult football + 2 adult hurling teams is bigger than any Mayo club.

Quote from: muppet on April 25, 2014, 10:33:21 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 10:25:19 PM

Quote from: muppet on April 25, 2014, 08:57:17 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on April 25, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
Mearnog- fantastic facilities with no teams to fill them. Has about 3 adult football teams on a good weekend and two adult hurling.

Indiana I am not on the side of my fellow culchies on this.

But with the numbers you quote, Mearnóg would be the biggest club in Mayo.

With two and a half football teams? I doubt it very much.

Kilmacud and Boden dwarf every other club in Dublin. By a mile.

Ballymun again probably have two and a half adult football teams. Some weeks we are struggling to get 3.

We lost half our senior hurling team to Australia about 3 years ago. Granted we can replace them easier but not with the same quality we can't.

On average a lot of our clubs have far more in common with country clubs then the Independent Media Group lets on.

3 adult football + 2 adult hurling teams is bigger than any Mayo club.

how many clubs do you have?

Cavan have 40 clubs, Should we not get 750,000 per year for Game development if the Dubs with their 80 clubs get 1.5 million?  :P
5 years ago, Ballyhaise,Killygarry,Baileborough,Killinkere,Mullahoran and Crosserlough all had 3 teams.
32 clubs had second teams, Only two Maghera and Corlough had no second team.

Today only Ramor have a third team, and Maghera,Corlough,Shannon Gaels,Ballyconnel First Ulsters/Kildallan,Munnterconnacht, Belturbet have no second teams.

Nr of clubs means dick.
Around Carrick in Monaghan, within a short radius of the town there are 5 senior clubs serving a total population of about 8,000.
Clubs in townlands in the middle of nowhere, the Dublin equivalent would be the Stars of Erin, at a crossroads in the Dublin hills, behind a pub, who have  senior status and are  roundabouts Div 9 in the Dublin league.
Though the Monaghan country clubs have facilities that the Stars' don't have,  but Dublin fellahs are not that bothered about a shower after a game, are they?

I have a mate took up hurling for liffey gaels recently. The man is 30+ and only in it for the exercise. He says Liffey are somewhere around Div 5 in Dub hurling, its all just flake around, yet Liffey have pitches, facilities etc way superior to his home club, Birr, multiple Leinster and AI winners. This lad played minor for Biffs yet a bulshit Div 5 recreational side in Dub beats all???

Quote from: Ringfort on April 26, 2014, 09:29:07 PM
I have a mate took up hurling for liffey gaels recently. The man is 30+ and only in it for the exercise. He says Liffey are somewhere around Div 5 in Dub hurling, its all just flake around, yet Liffey have pitches, facilities etc way superior to his home club, Birr, multiple Leinster and AI winners. This lad played minor for Biffs yet a bulshit Div 5 recreational side in Dub beats all???

Liffey Gaels have a clubhouse attached to a council pitch

Well who is shitting me here ?

Is the 'clubhouse' the fantastic facilities I hear about, and the pitch itself is some gammy phoenixpark job, or has the
birr man some anti-dub bias? I can only go off the testimony of an ex-biffo minor hurler,a Birr club man, who says the flake-around Dub version is far beyond what the biffo laochra gael are used to

Quote from: Ringfort on April 26, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
Well who is shitting me here ?

Is the 'clubhouse' the fantastic facilities I hear about, and the pitch itself is some gammy phoenixpark job, or has the
birr man some anti-dub bias? I can only go off the testimony of an ex-biffo minor hurler,a Birr club man, who says the flake-around Dub version is far beyond what the biffo laochra gael are used to

Have a look on their respective websites/Facebook pages and make up you're own mind

Plunketts have three senior teams and aren't considered a big club, yer f**king deluded up there

QuoteThe shortlist for the annual 'Hero of the Future' award has been announced, which rewards the top player in the All-Ireland under 21 championship Conor McHugh and Cormac Costello (Dublin), Diarmuid Murtagh and Thomas Corcoran (Roscommon), Michael Argue (Cavan) and Alan Cadogan (Cork) have all been named in the shortlist announced today by our panel of judges, former Kerry Senior Footballer Tomás Ó'Sé, former Dublin manager Paul Caffrey and TG4 journalist Micheal Ó Domhnaill.

Fingers crossed Diarmuid gets it. Totally biased but I think scoring 2-13 (split 0-10 and 2-03) in the AISF and AIF is enough to deserve the honour. It's between him, Costello and McHugh in all reality. Happy Corcoran made the shortlist, he should be featuring for us at senior next year.

Whilst Murtagh would be a worthy winner, don't be surprised if it goes to a Dub, probably Mc Hugh.

Conor McHugh was man of the match in the All Ireland Semi and final, the likely winner. Costello was class too.

Quote from: rodney trotter on May 28, 2014, 09:30:56 PM
Conor McHugh was man of the match in the All Ireland Semi and final, the likely winner. Costello was class too.

I thought both Michael Argue,Killian Clarke had better under-21 championships than McHugh or Costello however a player from the All Ireland winners nearly always wins these awards.

They usually do, Argue would have had a better chance had Cavan been in the final.