4 weeks till the final meaning Kerry will have only played 3 games in 12 weeks - talk about dragging things out.
I thought they looked very under-cooked in the 1st half against Mayo and for 20/25 mins looked off the pace, not sure O'Connor knows his best team but 4 weeks of skleping as the Kerry boys would say should resolve that.
The romantic in me wants a Kerry v Dublin final but equally the thoughts of a Kerry v Donegal final fascinates me.
Either way really looking forward to this final.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 22, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
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The romantic in me wants a Kerry v Dublin final
Jasus you're some Kildare man coming out with that claptrap :-*
The true romantic would want to see Sam going to Donegal for the second time and also spoil the media wet dream.
The "Gaelic Football Fan" in you should want to see a Dublin v Kerry final. Donegal far too negative in their approach.
An outlook on Sunday's game - http://mal-sport.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-step-from-september.html
Quote from: leaveherinsir on August 22, 2011, 07:59:55 PM
The "Gaelic Football Fan" in you should want to see a Dublin v Kerry final. Donegal far too negative in their approach.
Maybe so ... but us romantics always want the little guys/outsiders to win. After all we have spent most of our time on the outside looking in on the big September days.
If I want to see nice Gaelic football I'll go to the Sigerson Cup and look at the college boys playing nice tippy tappy.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 22, 2011, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 22, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
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The romantic in me wants a Kerry v Dublin final
Jasus you're some Kildare man coming out with that claptrap :-*
The true romantic would want to see Sam going to Donegal for the second time and also spoil the media wet dream.
Dublin v Kerry would be a great spectacle and I admire this Dublin team, hard working and honest. Just think it would be a fantastic occasion and I can guarantee the whole country will look forward to it.
But you're right, I'm off to have a shower now...
Bring on the final. Always a great buzz in the Kingdom facing into another final. We are fortunate to have a group of players who just keep on delivering year after year. I don't have a preference who we play it will make for a tough game either way. If its the dubs I hope we get half the tickets for the hill but that won't happen will it.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 23, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
Bring on the final. Always a great buzz in the Kingdom facing into another final. We are fortunate to have a group of players who just keep on delivering year after year. I don't have a preference who we play it will make for a tough game either way. If its the dubs I hope we get half the tickets for the hill but that won't happen will it.
Sure your entitled to half, so why not attend the hill...................scribe a message to gaa croker chiefs asap
Don't Kerry have a poor recent record v Ulster sides? maybe they will want Dubin in the final.
Gooch and dar o sullivan on the piss until 8am this morning ..................dude in the grand hotel killarney text me there
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 22, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
The romantic in me wants a Kerry v Dublin final
Would be mighty. We could have another 25 years of documentaries, books and Late Late specials on the back of it.
I look forward to seeing Paidí O'Sé half cut on Up for the Match regaling all and sundry with his collection of highly amusing anecdotes none of us have heard before.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 23, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
Gooch and dar o sullivan on the piss until 8am this morning ..................dude in the grand hotel killarney text me there
Fierce skelping going on at training too.
A fella I know in Kerry told me half the team have knocks and dodgy hamstrings too.
Donegal will have to deal with all this after they beat us Sunday.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2011, 05:23:02 PM
I look forward to seeing Paidí O'Sé half cut on Up for the Match regaling all and sundry with his collection of highly amusing anecdotes none of us have heard before.
;D
Schlepping dubs...............bouncing balls so hard they smash the lights, animals.......................in the zoo
god be with the days when Dubs would swagger. They are so psychologically traumatized by recent years and by 34 years of being beaten by us that they have suppressed an essential part of their character.
Come on lads, just be your natural swaggering selves. Its much more craic. We all know you think you will beat Donegal at a canter so stop trying to hide it.
My Dublin based cousin reckons Dublin will beat Kerry by 10 points after seeing them against Mayo the last day out.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
god be with the days when Dubs would swagger. They are so psychologically traumatized by recent years and by 34 years of being beaten by us that they have suppressed an essential part of their character.
Come on lads, just be your natural swaggering selves. Its much more craic. We all know you think you will beat Donegal at a canter so stop trying to hide it.
Its all with ye now...........sure ye have JAY Z recruiting lads to NY and everything.................. yerra SWAGGER
(http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/galvin.jpg)
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
Don't Kerry have a poor recent record v Ulster sides? maybe they will want Dubin in the final.
Depends on the county:
WINNING RECORD:
v Fermanagh. P1, W1.
v Antrim. P3, W2, L1.
v Armagh. P6, W4, D1, L1.
v Derry. P4, W3, L1.
v Monaghan. P6, W5, D1.
v Cavan. P11, W8, L3.
LOSING RECORD:
v Down. P5, L5.
v Tyrone. P4, W1, L3.
Of course you could say Kerry have the worst record against Donegal, not only have Kerry never beaten them but they haven't even scored against them. Kerry have a similar record against Westmeath and Kilkenny!
Ha ha - great analysis there ! ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
My Dublin based cousin reckons Dublin will beat Kerry by 10 points after seeing them against Mayo the last day out.
I think I'm friends with your cousin.
He's very cocky.
9-in-a-row sounds nice. Might get a T- Shirt made up.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
god be with the days when Dubs would swagger. They are so psychologically traumatized by recent years and by 34 years of being beaten by us that they have suppressed an essential part of their character.
Come on lads, just be your natural swaggering selves. Its much more craic. We all know you think you will beat Donegal at a canter so stop trying to hide it.
Sure we've beaten youse the last two times out. It's Donegal we're worried about.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 24, 2011, 01:54:19 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
god be with the days when Dubs would swagger. They are so psychologically traumatized by recent years and by 34 years of being beaten by us that they have suppressed an essential part of their character.
Come on lads, just be your natural swaggering selves. Its much more craic. We all know you think you will beat Donegal at a canter so stop trying to hide it.
Sure we've beaten youse the last two times out. It's Donegal we're worried about.
You're right. We will be gunning for revenge if you win the semi-final. You know how important the league is to us.
Anyway, its great to be back in a final again. Thank god the famine is over.
The Gooch is in his 8th final. How come he only won 4?
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Awwwwww . :'( :'(diddums :'( ;D
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
The Gooch is in his 8th final. How come he only won 4?
Well, he'd beat the Galway team on his own. Such crap footballers.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 24, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Awwwwww . :'( :'(diddums :'( ;D
As your Tyrone friends might say..."Roscommon, what have they done ?" :D
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 24, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Awwwwww . :'( :'(diddums :'( ;D
As your Tyrone friends might say..."Roscommon, what have they done ?" :D
Won a nice minors a few years back ;)
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2011, 11:29:56 PM
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Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Awwwwww . :'( :'(diddums :'( ;D
As your Tyrone friends might say..."Roscommon, what have they done ?" :D
Won a nice minors a few years back ;)
Its nice to see the kids win but serious counties don't place too much store in it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 25, 2011, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 24, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Tyrone twice and Armagh once are the blemishes. Though it was hard for him to play one final with the tyrone goalies hand stuck in his eye
Awwwwww . :'( :'(diddums :'( ;D
As your Tyrone friends might say..."Roscommon, what have they done ?" :D
We don't go around lettin lads poke us in the eyes anyway !!!
Plus we did something Kerry can never do ...
bate Kerry in All Ireland Finals in all four grades of football :-* :P
Did any other Counties achieve that feat I wonder?
Kerry have lost close on 20 All Ireland Finals.............. the most by any county.
Can't see them being troubled this year sadly.
Quote from: Canalman on August 26, 2011, 11:47:45 AM
Kerry have lost close on 20 All Ireland Finals
Jasus ... but that's a terrible statistic ;D :D
Quote from: Canalman on August 26, 2011, 11:47:45 AM
Kerry have lost close on 20 All Ireland Finals.............. the most by any county.
Can't see them being troubled this year sadly.
Id a agree with that dude......................regardless off what nonsense that shitehawk the bomber liston comes out with
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2011, 02:21:15 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 26, 2011, 11:47:45 AM
Kerry have lost close on 20 All Ireland Finals
Jasus ... but that's a terrible statistic ;D :D
You lads should stick to the naked pool, you're not very good at football or wumming
How long did it take you to resurrect that oul 9 year old cliche :-[ :'(
:-*
All this success & very little emotions do Kerry fans even celebrate? & what was it Páidí Ó Sé called the fans?
Bored waiting....
What is up with Dublin ?? I saw them in Leinster final against Wexford.They are not the same team i am watching today.Two Brogan Brothers what is up with them ??Barry Cahill needs to watch himself i thought he would have got a red.Second half wonder what it is gonna be like.my prediction is Dublin 1:07 Donegal 1:10.
Getting worried now. Dublin seem to have it all. The attacking flair shown in the Tyrone game and the grit and character to pull out a result today. I think were fooked.
Dublin's to lose...
Kilkenny vs Tipp
Kerry Vs Dublin
as M O Hehir might have said " order is restored" .
Two crackers...looking forward to them :)
Any spare tickets?
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
9-in-a-row t-shirt printed and ready.
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
Worth 2 quid I reckon. Dublin only scored 2 points from play today, sure they will have more space the next day, but they won't get anywhere near the frees.
We havent a chance..................we'll turn and make the kerry lads work up a sweat though....................that will keep galvin happy though ;)
Tough one to call, Kerry have better forwards than Dublin while Dublin are better in defence i guess Kerry will edge it as they are slightly better in midfield & have all this experience from playing in many All Ireland finals.
A Dublin win will bring back the pitch invasion.
need time to asses this one . I wonder will Connelly be shown some clemency ? Will the final be a shoot out I dont think Kerry will be allowing as much space as they did to Mayo .
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 07:15:51 PM
9-in-a-row t-shirt printed and ready.
How original, you could make a fortune outta that one ;) .................................get a pair of galvin jeans diamond encrusted with those words on them, you could be his designer :-*
Interesting that probably 2 of the midfields with the most question marks around them are playing in the final. Kerry people think Sheehan and Maher are average enough, while the Dubs weren't (and maybe still aren't) sure what their best pairing is.
Just shows you how important the half lines have become in football. The 'dirty ball' is king.
Quote from: johnpower on August 28, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
need time to asses this one . I wonder will Connelly be shown some clemency ? Will the final be a shoot out I dont think Kerry will be allowing as much space as they did to Mayo .
I think Dublin will give Kerry more space than Mayo in the first half, they will have too. Dublin need to try and do to Kerry what Kerry usually does with good effect (except last weekend) to others, Dublin need to try and blitz Kerry. The Dublin forwards need to be on fire. They will not be able to contain the Kerry forwards and half backs from scoring for the full 70 minutes.
Paddy Power prices "To Lift the Cup"
Kerry 8/13
Dublin 5/4
Cant see anything other than a 8-12pt win for Kerry, whats the betting on the handicap ?
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
its worth a punt, this final could be mayoesque
Not a chance, this will be close and if I had a spare €20 it would be on Dublin.
Yerra we might not even send up the bus to collect Sam if the bookies are to be believed. Just ship him down to the Gooch and cancel the final.
Quote from: haveaharp on August 29, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
its worth a punt, this final could be mayoesque
Definitely – I'll be out tomorrow to get my fiver on.
How long are you watching gaelic football?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2011, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on August 29, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
its worth a punt, this final could be mayoesque
Definitely – I'll be out tomorrow to get my fiver on.
How long are you watching gaelic football?
Long enough to remember your last championship form against Kerry.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 29, 2011, 12:45:22 AM
Yerra we might not even send up the bus to collect Sam if the bookies are to be believed. Just ship him down to the Gooch and cancel the final.
He will still get an all star for his performance in the final, been quiet all year but class is class.
Will Dublin's usual referee, Joe McQuillan, get the final now?
I hope Dublin win. Getting a bit boring Kerry there all the time!
Pat McEnaney is to retire maybe he'll get the final.
Lads, why are ye tipping Kerry by a huge margin? Just out of interest.
I can see Kerry winning, provided their forwards see enough of the ball, but I could easily make a case for Dublin as well, and would not be shocked if they won.
Just don't tell me it's on the basis of yesterday.
I think that Connolly will win an appeal for the following reasons
1 The dive. They will not want "playacting" rewarded
2 The fact that if a Kerry lad had done this his suspension would be up for the final (4 weeks) while the 2nd semi is only 3 weeks from final.(Expect Congress to revisit this anomaly).
3 The precedents already set (Thank you Frank Murphy)
4 I reckon Deegan will admit that the info given to him at the time wasn't really on the button
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
6 The provocation.
However I acknowledge that Kerry will be over this like a rash and the easy option will be to give him the month suspension.
Having said that it won't be a travesty if he misses final as by the letter of the law he had to go (as did another 12 players on the day)
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
2 The fact that if a Kerry lad had done this his suspension would be up for the final (4 weeks) while the 2nd semi is only 3 weeks from final.(Expect Congress to revisit this anomaly).
Not true Canalman - straight red means you miss next game in same competition + time ban.
I stand corrected Heffo.
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
I think that Connolly will win an appeal for the following reasons
1 The dive. They will not want "playacting" rewarded
2 The fact that if a Kerry lad had done this his suspension would be up for the final (4 weeks) while the 2nd semi is only 3 weeks from final.(Expect Congress to revisit this anomaly).
3 The precedents already set (Thank you Frank Murphy)
4 I reckon Deegan will admit that the info given to him at the time wasn't really on the button
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
6 The provocation.
However I acknowledge that Kerry will be over this like a rash and the easy option will be to give him the month suspension.
Having said that it won't be a travesty if he misses final as by the letter of the law he had to go (as did another 12 players on the day)
From the book - should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category II Infractions
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
arm, elbow, hand or knee.5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with
minimal force.
5.3 To behave in any way which is dangerous to
an opponent.
5.4 To spit at an opponent.
5.5 To contribute to a melee.
5.6 To use abusive language to a Referee, Umpire,
Linesman or Sideline Official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free kick from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
Suspensions for above Infractions are governed by
Rule 7.2 - Infractions, Official Guide, Part 1.
As a guide, the suspensions, in part, are outlined
below:
Category II
Minimum: 4 weeks Suspension in the same Code and
at the same Level, inclusive of the next Game in the
same Competition of that Competition Year, even if
that Game falls outside the Suspension time period.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
From the book - should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category II Infractions
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
arm, elbow, hand or knee.
It can easily be interpreted as a more of a push than a strike.
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
What?
Hoganstand are saying that Connolly has no avenue of appeal.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
From the book - should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category II Infractions
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
arm, elbow, hand or knee.
It can easily be interpreted as a more of a push than a strike.
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
What?
The '79 season was shortened by a couple of weeks because of the Pope's visit in September. As a result, the suspension Jimmy Keaveney got after the Leinster final encapsulated both the semi-final and final, where normally it would only have included the semi-final.
Well done Dubin. Stuck to it, adapted when needed and got the result.
QuoteThe romantic in me wants a Kerry v Dublin final but equally the thoughts of a Kerry v Donegal final fascinates me.
From Dinny at the start of the thread and this was the way I was feeling until I saw the game yesterday.
Fair play to Donegal but their reluctance or inability to change system found them out in the end. If Lacey had been able to finish, would the result have been any different?
Quote from: haveaharp on August 29, 2011, 12:47:30 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2011, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on August 29, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
What odds would ye reckon Kerry by 15+ will be?
Kerry by 16 or more is 33/1 with PP
its worth a punt, this final could be mayoesque
Definitely – I'll be out tomorrow to get my fiver on.
How long are you watching gaelic football?
Long enough to remember your last championship form against Kerry.
Cork in the football, Waterford and Limerick in the hurling would be other useful final comparrisons and Dublin v Kerry in the Championship.
Surely a Cork V Meath final would be a traditionalist final, at least they are close rivals.
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
I think that Connolly will win an appeal for the following reasons
1 The dive. They will not want "playacting" rewarded
2 The fact that if a Kerry lad had done this his suspension would be up for the final (4 weeks) while the 2nd semi is only 3 weeks from final.(Expect Congress to revisit this anomaly).
3 The precedents already set (Thank you Frank Murphy)
4 I reckon Deegan will admit that the info given to him at the time wasn't really on the button
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
6 The provocation.
However I acknowledge that Kerry will be over this like a rash and the easy option will be to give him the month suspension.
Having said that it won't be a travesty if he misses final as by the letter of the law he had to go (as did another 12 players on the day)
Brian Farrell did a lot less against Kildare and his appeal was unsuccessful.
His was more of a slap whereas Connolly had a closed fist.
If he appealed and it was successful it would make a joke of the whole system.
I don't think they will appeal though.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2011, 09:39:54 AM
Lads, why are ye tipping Kerry by a huge margin? Just out of interest.
I can see Kerry winning, provided their forwards see enough of the ball, but I could easily make a case for Dublin as well, and would not be shocked if they won.
Just don't tell me it's on the basis of yesterday.
For the record i'm not tipping a huge margin, i think this final will be similar to last years.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
From the book - should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
Category II Infractions
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
arm, elbow, hand or knee.
It can easily be interpreted as a more of a push than a strike.
Quote from: Canalman on August 29, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
5 Fairness dictates that Dublin shouldnt be penalised again as they were in 1979 and the Papal visit.
What?
The '79 season was shortened by a couple of weeks because of the Pope's visit in September. As a result, the suspension Jimmy Keaveney got after the Leinster final encapsulated both the semi-final and final, where normally it would only have included the semi-final.
OK - thanks.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
The '79 season was shortened by a couple of weeks because of the Pope's visit in September. As a result, the suspension Jimmy Keaveney got after the Leinster final encapsulated both the semi-final and final, where normally it would only have included the semi-final.
Ah yes, god be with those days. 6 defenders against 6 forwards 4 mid fielders under a high, dropping ball. Only Kerry and Dublin can save football from the rest of ye with ye're bloody <spit> "tactics" and <spit> "systems"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJW6Av9V3WM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJW6Av9V3WM)
Plan A for the final for Kerry. Blanket attack ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 29, 2011, 09:14:36 PM
Plan A for the final for Kerry. Blanket attack ;)
PLAN B .............................WHINGE AND MOAN TO THE REF........................YERRA
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Really looking forward to this game. We'll be four point underdogs but I can live with that.
Facing Kerry makes it even more special, only downside is the ticket shortage which will mean a lot more neutrals than normal will want tickets.
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Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 29, 2011, 09:14:36 PM
Plan A for the final for Kerry. Blanket attack ;)
PLAN B .............................WHINGE AND MOAN TO THE REF........................YERRA
(http://img.rasset.ie/00035e7f-674.jpg)
Notice how the ref is wearing the Dublin colours.
My biggest fear is that the ref will try to gift Dublin an All Ireland in keeping with the line of thought that O'Rourke mentioned yesterday i.e that it would be "good for the GAA" if Dublin won. The media would love that too. especially those D4 types who'll be all over the "gah" now. It will be Kerry against Dublin and the ref, the whole GAA establishment and the D4 plonkers. Real backs against the wall stuff.
C'mon lads , you can do it. Lets stop the cozy D4 conspiracy. Lets do it for the ordinary country folk.
Kerry have gone nowhere only backwards over the past year or two, those who cant see it are blind. Their forwards continue to paper over the cracks that exist in MF and defence, granted the quality there has been good enough for all comers this championship year, but have Kerry ever gotten to a final in such a ridiculously easy passage before(bar Cork)?(And that's saying something!). If Dublin dont fill the pants I think they'll win by a at least 4. Stop Kerry in MF/HB area and it's game over, and Dublin will.
I actually can't imagine a more perfect game to prepare a team for a final than that one yesterday.
Dour game, low-scoring, lots of players below their normal level and they eventually scrape through after a real physical battle.
I'd say Gilroy slept like a baby last night.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 29, 2011, 10:49:07 PM
Kerry have gone nowhere only backwards over the past year or two, those who cant see it are blind. Their forwards continue to paper over the cracks that exist in MF and defence, granted the quality there has been good enough for all comers this championship year, but have Kerry ever gotten to a final in such a ridiculously easy passage before(bar Cork)?(And that's saying something!). If Dublin dont fill the pants I think they'll win by a at least 4. Stop Kerry in MF/HB area and it's game over, and Dublin will.
1997 was a pretty easy run for Kerry.
Regardless of Connollys appeal Dublin need to start O'Gara and give Kerry something different to think about. If the game is close Connolly if available and McMenamin will give Dublin good attacking options. Midfield will be crucial as Kerry will make better use of the ball than Dubin and could win the game with 40/45% of possession.
Quoteand could win the game with 40/45% of possession
We'd be lucky to get that much with the midfield we have
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 29, 2011, 11:02:26 PM
Quoteand could win the game with 40/45% of possession
We'd be lucky to get that much with the midfield we have
would you ever cross that other border and take a good bite out of the blarney stone
Quotewould you ever cross that other border and take a good bite out of the blarney stone
Yerra I won't
Let the games begin
The last time Dublin beat Kerry in an AI final they played in black and white:
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Where were the CCCCCCCC
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The Jackeen busters 1978
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The King and Whelo
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Fitzy
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Galvinised
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The banter and craic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leinsterman/1252154570/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leinsterman/1252154570/)
Gooch
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Throw it in to f**k ref
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The Prize
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Quote from: Orangemac on August 29, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 29, 2011, 10:49:07 PM
Kerry have gone nowhere only backwards over the past year or two, those who cant see it are blind. Their forwards continue to paper over the cracks that exist in MF and defence, granted the quality there has been good enough for all comers this championship year, but have Kerry ever gotten to a final in such a ridiculously easy passage before(bar Cork)?(And that's saying something!). If Dublin dont fill the pants I think they'll win by a at least 4. Stop Kerry in MF/HB area and it's game over, and Dublin will.
1997 was a pretty easy run for Kerry.
Regardless of Connollys appeal Dublin need to start O'Gara and give Kerry something different to think about. If the game is close Connolly if available and McMenamin will give Dublin good attacking options. Midfield will be crucial as Kerry will make better use of the ball than Dubin and could win the game with 40/45% of possession.
He changed the game when he came on.
Was calling for O' Gara all day, once it was clear our plan A was dropping balls into the full forward line, but didn't think he made much of a difference when he came on. In part that was because we were already controlling things for about 10 mins before that, but more so that he played very deep. When he got the ball he was never in the danger zone, and never seemed to show between the sticks for the high ball in.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
I actually can't imagine a more perfect game to prepare a team for a final than that one yesterday.
Dour game, low-scoring, lots of players below their normal level and they eventually scrape through after a real physical battle.
I'd say Gilroy slept like a baby last night.
Agree apart from the fact we've lost Connolly and Flynn, and nobody to replace them.
O'Gara has been poor IMO, every time he's come on. I think Connolly would have played well against Kerry, or at least for us to have a chance I think he'd need to have a big game to help out to Brogans. With him gone the slight confidence I had is ebbing away.
We've no forward to replace Flynn (I hope we don't make the mistake of playing him when he's not fit) - I'd put McConnell in there personally. Kevin McManamon is very hit and miss - I'd leave him on the bench, he's much more of a 2nd half player when the game is stretched.
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
I actually can't imagine a more perfect game to prepare a team for a final than that one yesterday.
Dour game, low-scoring, lots of players below their normal level and they eventually scrape through after a real physical battle.
I'd say Gilroy slept like a baby last night.
Agree apart from the fact we've lost Connolly and Flynn, and nobody to replace them.
O'Gara has been poor IMO, every time he's come on. I think Connolly would have played well against Kerry, or at least for us to have a chance I think he'd need to have a big game to help out to Brogans. With him gone the slight confidence I had is ebbing away.
We've no forward to replace Flynn (I hope we don't make the mistake of playing him when he's not fit) - I'd put McConnell in there personally. Kevin McManamon is very hit and miss - I'd leave him on the bench, he's much more of a 2nd half player when the game is stretched.
No word on flynn yet........................massive loss if hes gone alright....................he was walking the pitch after the game though, shaking hands with donegal lads and what not, I hope hes alright , bigger loss than Connolly imo
Flynn and O'Carroll a worry alright. Both probable Allstars imo along with Cluxton/ Alan Brogan.
Won't know really how well they are doing as there will probably an element of "Jayzusing" (our irreverant equivalent to "yerraing") involved.
Have to say though that we are going into this game in the ideal circumstances (bar Connolly's circumstance). I for one think that this AIF would have been Diarmuid's greatest hour. Just a hunch that probably will never be tested.
As I predicted the Kerry mafia are already resisting his appeal via their satellites in the media/ cyberworld .
I was joking about O'Gara by the way.
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2011, 10:27:34 AM
Flynn and O'Carroll a worry alright. Both probable Allstars imo along with Cluxton/ Alan Brogan.
Won't know really how well they are doing as there will probably an element of "Jayzusing" (our irreverant equivalent to "yerraing") involved.
luv it dude .................."Jayzusing"
Any crack from the kingdom.......................I hear there is a blazing training session scheduled for this evening, heard galvin fishhooked tommy griffin for trying on his new kacks
It says on Hoganstand that Joe McQuillan may be taking charge of the final. Thought it might have been Pat McAnaney seeing as it would be his last year.
Would Joe be a good choice?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2011, 02:56:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2011, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 30, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
Would Joe be a good choice?
No.
Sure all the refs love Dublin.
Give over Jinxy - did ya see the frees he gave Tyrone in the quarter? Or the lineball he gave Cork last year in the semi for their equaliser.
It's in the bag Heffo.
Everyone knows a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
;)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2011, 03:04:34 PM
It's in the bag Heffo.
Everyone knows a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
;)
I already told ya to give over!!
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2011, 03:04:34 PM
It's in the bag Heffo.
Everyone knows a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
;)
Those would seem be the sentiments of Colum O' Rourke as well . Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he is wearing a Dublin Jersey on Ai final day
expecting the dubs to go hardcore blanket.
Quote from: cadence on August 30, 2011, 03:41:26 PM
expecting the dubs to go hardcore blanket.
Cluxton & Rory O'Carroll pictured at a 6.30am training session in DCU this morning
(http://antigonex.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2bmshit.jpg)
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 30, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
It says on Hoganstand that Joe McQuillan may be taking charge of the final. Thought it might have been Pat McAnaney seeing as it would be his last year.
Would Joe be a good choice?
Yeah i thought McAnaney would get it too, has been given the linesman job. stand by ref is David Coldrick a Meath man how does that work?
Yerra Joe is a great ref . We have great respect for him in the Kingdom .
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 30, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2011, 03:04:34 PM
It's in the bag Heffo.
Everyone knows a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
;)
Those would seem be the sentiments of Colum O' Rourke as well . Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he is wearing a Dublin Jersey on Ai final day
;D.......................... I reckon orourke and brolly will be up for us dubs alright........................orourke loves a bet though, wouldnt be surprised if he has his bollox on kerry on the handicap, only time will tell
Poor Paul Flynn 50/50 for this one dudes........................scan shows a tear on the hammie, bigger loss than connolly imo
yerra, yerra
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
yerra, yerra
The evidence is there bucko............. if you watched the game
Quote from: heffo on August 30, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 30, 2011, 03:41:26 PM
expecting the dubs to go hardcore blanket.
Cluxton & Rory O'Carroll pictured at a 6.30am training session in DCU this morning
(http://antigonex.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2bmshit.jpg)
the blanket's a bastard of a thing alright, but sometimes, it's just got to be done.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
yerra, yerra
The evidence is there bucko............. if you watched the game
what evidence...? Did they have a scanner down on the pitch ::)
There's nothing wrong with those lads. You are not fooling anyone.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2011, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 30, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
yerra, yerra
The evidence is there bucko............. if you watched the game
what evidence...? Did they have a scanner down on the pitch ::)
There's nothing wrong with those lads. You are not fooling anyone.
O'Carrolls dead leg is rumoured to gangrenous too.
cluxton rumoured to be playing at number 10 In training. We will be trying to keep him scoreless in Final and may even put a bitteen of pressure on his kick outs.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 31, 2011, 12:20:12 AM
cluxton rumoured to be playing at number 10 In training. We will be trying to keep him scoreless in Final and may even put a bitteen of pressure on his kick outs.
So will that be an attempt to increase his 2 misses out of 5.
Been asked on another forum maybe someone has the answer here. Has a captain wearing the No.13 jersey ever lifted the Sam Maguire?
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 31, 2011, 03:39:49 AM
Been asked on another forum maybe someone has the answer here. Has a captain wearing the No.13 jersey ever lifted the Sam Maguire?
Gooch jointly lifted it with Declan O'Sullivan in '06.
I hope Dublin win this one, sick of Kerry this long and many's a day, well that and I think it would give gaelic football a great boost in Dublin.
Quote from: stew on August 31, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
I hope Dublin win this one, sick of Kerry this long and many's a day, well that and I think it would give gaelic football a great boost in Dublin.
Boost me arse. I hope Kerry stuff them.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 31, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: stew on August 31, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
I hope Dublin win this one, sick of Kerry this long and many's a day, well that and I think it would give gaelic football a great boost in Dublin.
Boost me arse. I hope Kerry stuff them.
Doubtless if the winners of this one score even fewer than 2 points from play you'll be hailing it as 10 times better than the semi-final! :P :D
Quote from: BennyCake on August 31, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: stew on August 31, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
I hope Dublin win this one, sick of Kerry this long and many's a day, well that and I think it would give gaelic football a great boost in Dublin.
Boost me arse. :o I hope Kerry stuff them. :o
That sounds pretty gay.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2011, 01:46:37 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 31, 2011, 12:20:12 AM
cluxton rumoured to be playing at number 10 In training. We will be trying to keep him scoreless in Final and may even put a bitteen of pressure on his kick outs.
So will that be an attempt to increase his 2 misses out of 5.
Yip 40% was mediocre by Clucko's standards. But still better than any other alternative we might have for long range frees, and he showed great bottle to nail the 2 long ones in the second half after missing his two first half attempts.
Overall 10/15, which isnt at all bad for the type of kicks he takes.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2011, 01:46:37 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 31, 2011, 12:20:12 AM
cluxton rumoured to be playing at number 10 In training. We will be trying to keep him scoreless in Final and may even put a bitteen of pressure on his kick outs.
So will that be an attempt to increase his 2 misses out of 5.
Yip 40% was mediocre by Clucko's standards. But still better than any other alternative we might have for long range frees, and he showed great bottle to nail the 2 long ones in the second half after missing his two first half attempts.
Overall 10/15, which isnt at all bad for the type of kicks he takes.
Hey, he still won the game for ye, credit where credit is due. It was the right thing to do against that Donegal defence and especially with the ranges involved.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 31, 2011, 01:46:37 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 31, 2011, 12:20:12 AM
cluxton rumoured to be playing at number 10 In training. We will be trying to keep him scoreless in Final and may even put a bitteen of pressure on his kick outs.
So will that be an attempt to increase his 2 misses out of 5.
Yip 40% was mediocre by Clucko's standards. But still better than any other alternative we might have for long range frees, and he showed great bottle to nail the 2 long ones in the second half after missing his two first half attempts.
Overall 10/15, which isnt at all bad for the type of kicks he takes.
Having Donegal players 7 yards away roaring abuse at him couldn't have helped either.
t'was falling off the front page, wouldn't happen if Tyrone were around, if there is wan county that wins the Talking Shite All Irelands its Tyrone !!
Like in 2005 and 2008 ??? ??? ???
If kerry win it will be such a huge boost for munster football. The 3 in a row hasn't been achieved since ulster in 91 - 94. Congratulations to the province and I really hope the promise of history making dosent crush the kingdom.
Quote from: snippets on September 03, 2011, 12:16:33 AM
If kerry win it will be such a huge boost for munster football. The 3 in a row hasn't been achieved since ulster in 91 - 94. Congratulations to the province and I really hope the promise of history making dosent crush the kingdom.
1982 :D
Thread slipping again - Bumped this up for you guys - theres little interest in commenting on this game. It would show you just how bored people are with Kerrys style of football and how Pat Gilroy is monitoring every post and email written ot keep the hype out of Dublin. In years to come a good quiz question might be how many time did Kerry have to beat Limerick to win the all Ireland?
Well its in the bag now for the Dubs. Cork released a song last year and it was the winning of Sam for them. Fair play to the Dubs for being so proactive. I prefer it to that Kings of Leon shite too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk&feature=aso
Oh good Christ.
Quote from: boojangles on September 05, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
Well its in the bag now for the Dubs. Cork released a song last year and it was the winning of Sam for them. Fair play to the Dubs for being so proactive. I prefer it to that Kings of Leon shite too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk&feature=aso
(http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/923-facepalm.gif)
Pat Gilroy has done a great job of dampening the hype in this thread.
YERRA..............Kerry training just once a week now such is the confidence, kerrygaa.ie
TEAM TRAINING DATE CHANGE
Monday, 05 September 2011 10:56 |
Please note that the only session for Kerry Senior Football team training this week is Saturday next the 10th September at 11.20am.
Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
I dunno. The hype in Knocknagoshel is reaching fever pitch
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/Kerry.jpg)
It's funny that we reach our first final since '95 and I've been in my GAA club seven of the eight nights since and haven't had a single conversation with anyone about the game or how it's going to go - all the talk is tickets.
I'll be allocating our clubs tickets and have been plagued with calls - at least it's making the time fly in!.
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2011, 02:55:46 PM
It's funny that we reach our first final since '95 and I've been in my GAA club seven of the eight nights since and haven't had a single conversation with anyone about the game or how it's going to go - all the talk is tickets.
I'll be allocating our clubs tickets and have been plagued with calls - at least it's making the time fly in!.
To be fair I think that's fairly common. People want to make sure of their tickets first, and then'll look at the game itself. I've often seen that. The Brother in Law rang me there on Saturday, spent 10 minutes talking about the game, but never once about the actual match. All about tickets.
Speaking of which, any spares? :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 05, 2011, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2011, 02:55:46 PM
It's funny that we reach our first final since '95 and I've been in my GAA club seven of the eight nights since and haven't had a single conversation with anyone about the game or how it's going to go - all the talk is tickets.
I'll be allocating our clubs tickets and have been plagued with calls - at least it's making the time fly in!.
To be fair I think that's fairly common. People want to make sure of their tickets first, and then'll look at the game itself. I've often seen that. The Brother in Law rang me there on Saturday, spent 10 minutes talking about the game, but never once about the actual match. All about tickets.
Speaking of which, any spares? :)
You're probaly right AZ - will be glad next week when I can turn my phone on and get back to normal.
No spares at the moment, but I'm hoping to get some outside of Dublin and have promised Orangeman the first of those as he's looked after me very well with tickets and goes to every game in Croker in the All Ireland series in both codes, but I'll stick you on the list after him!
Only kidding heffo. If I wanted some I'd PM you.
Check your inbox.
heffo, as a matter of interest, what's your percentage ticket split between terrace and stand?
Oh, and can I go on your list please?!
Gimme a ticket or I'll burst you Heffo.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 05, 2011, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: boojangles on September 05, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
Well its in the bag now for the Dubs. Cork released a song last year and it was the winning of Sam for them. Fair play to the Dubs for being so proactive. I prefer it to that Kings of Leon shite too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk&feature=aso
(http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/923-facepalm.gif)
They should of got this fella to sing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD_s1uPheEY
Our club secretary reckons that our initial allocation will be around the 80/90 or so tickets. No one knows how the usual drip drip of tickets will pan out as this is our 1st time in an AIF in the new 80,000 plus Croke Park ( snigger away lads!).
Terrible pressure being applied on him already I'm told, real loaves and fishes scenario.
If I don't get a ticket , so be it. Will be equally as elated/deflated after the game regardless of where I am. Was lucky enough to be there in 1995 so I cannot begrudge a whole lot of younger fans their tickets. Haven't gone to many of the earlier games so can't really have too many complaints either way.
Quote from: Hound on September 05, 2011, 04:52:53 PM
heffo, as a matter of interest, what's your percentage ticket split between terrace and stand?
Oh, and can I go on your list please?!
No idea as yet - Dublin getting 10,000 stand initially plus most of the Hill.
We'll end up with 20k by end of next week.
Will do my best for ya Hound!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 05, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
Gimme a ticket or I'll burst you Heffo.
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Quote from: Frank Casey on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
Should keep my predictions to myself. Frank Murphy seen in de pale - from today' s De paper
Connolly could still start for Dublin
By John Fogarty
Monday, September 05, 2011
DUBLIN could gain Diarmuid Connolly a reprieve from suspension for Sunday week's All-Ireland final on a technicality.
Although Gilroy is confident of the case presented for the St Vincent's man against a proposed four-week ban being successful at tonight's Central Hearing Committee meeting, it appears Dublin GAA chiers have another avenue of protest.
There is a suggestion referee Maurice Deegan didn't follow proper procedure issuing Connolly with the straight red card before taking his name after his involvement in an incident with Donegal's Marty Boyle in last month's All-Ireland semi-final.
According to playing rule 1.2 (x) (c) under duties of the referee, the match official is expected "to order off a player who commits an ordering off foul/infraction by taking his name (if not already taken) and showing him a red card".
Should the Dublin County Board fail to have Connolly's ban overturned in Croke Park tonight, they are likely to forward the case to the Central Appeals Committee. Meanwhile, Gilroy took his side to the Avon Rí leisure resort in Blessington, Co Wicklow, this weekend as part of their preparations for the decider against Kerry.
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 05, 2011, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
should be no way out....unless he has a Cork granny.
Should keep my predictions to myself. Frank Murphy seen in de pale - from today' s De paper
Connolly could still start for Dublin
By John Fogarty
Monday, September 05, 2011
DUBLIN could gain Diarmuid Connolly a reprieve from suspension for Sunday week's All-Ireland final on a technicality.
Although Gilroy is confident of the case presented for the St Vincent's man against a proposed four-week ban being successful at tonight's Central Hearing Committee meeting, it appears Dublin GAA chiers have another avenue of protest.
There is a suggestion referee Maurice Deegan didn't follow proper procedure issuing Connolly with the straight red card before taking his name after his involvement in an incident with Donegal's Marty Boyle in last month's All-Ireland semi-final.
According to playing rule 1.2 (x) (c) under duties of the referee, the match official is expected "to order off a player who commits an ordering off foul/infraction by taking his name (if not already taken) and showing him a red card".
Should the Dublin County Board fail to have Connolly's ban overturned in Croke Park tonight, they are likely to forward the case to the Central Appeals Committee. Meanwhile, Gilroy took his side to the Avon Rí leisure resort in Blessington, Co Wicklow, this weekend as part of their preparations for the decider against Kerry.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19993.msg1010472#msg1010472
"All the talk of whether it's a push, stike or kiss on the cheek will hopefully be redundant as I'm told the red card will be thrown out on a technicality."
Not 100% yet but I'm hearing Connolly got off tonight - will post when I get 100% confirmation.
Confirmed
Glad to hear it, 'twould have been a travesty otherwise.
The system works.
Connolly is a lucky boy so, Didn't Brian Farrell do something similar & got four-week ban?
In fairness, a Dublin win would be great for the GAA. :P
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 05, 2011, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2011, 09:58:23 PM
Confirmed
Great news! This was always on the cards.
I believe the other side weren't for turning on the moral issue. Tecnicality did it.
Who needs morals when you have rules.
Joke decision!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2011, 10:32:49 PM
Joke decision!!!!
Why so Screen?
I'm assuming you are aware of all the facts involved now.
He struck another player so he deserves a 4 week ban . . . end of!!!
I'm sick of the powers that be chickening out of big decisions, it happens at Croke Park all the way down to club level and I include my own County Board in that as they have been proven to be even less than toothless in this regard.
Much worse than Donegal's style of play this is the kind of thing that will ruin our game. We need someone with balls to come in and stand up to the wrongs in our association for the greater good of the game!!
I'm glad he got off, but Paul Galvin and Tomás O'Sé must be having a wry smile for themselves.
Don't know how they could let Connolly off when Brian Farrell got suspended that time.
Both incidents were harmless enough to get red cards for but it seems theres one rule for one and one rule for another.
No consistency whatsoever in the GAA.
Feck it - hand of Frank Murphy.
Time for the Kingdom to circle the wagons. And when I think that Galvin got two months for brushing a wasp off the refs notebook, while Tommy Walsh tore the ref a new nostril ???
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Quote from: Frank Casey on September 05, 2011, 10:57:12 PM
Feck it - hand of Frank Murphy.
Time for the Kingdom to circle the wagons. And when I think that Galvin got two months for brushing a wasp off the refs notebook, while Tommy Walsh tore the ref a new nostril ???
There was a wasp on his nose.
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2011, 11:13:10 PM
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Showed the red card
before taking his name John - should have been the other way around going by the book.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2011, 11:13:10 PM
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Showed the red card before taking his name John - should have been the other way around going by the book.
Bit of a f**k up from Deegan but that's what happened. Delighted he got off, any way to get Manus Boyle on a technicality now? Couldn't see Dublin beating Kerry without Connolly, big performance needed from him now, game on.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2011, 11:13:10 PM
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Showed the red card before taking his name John - should have been the other way around going by the book.
Thought it was a harsh call by the ref on the day , puts more pressure on refs . I dont have any issue with him been available he will no doubt be a help to the Dublin cause . Jack and Co were probalby expecting O Gara to be at 14 .
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 05, 2011, 10:41:42 PM
I'm glad he got off, but Paul Galvin and Tomás O'Sé must be having a wry smile for themselves.
I bet they have . What about Tommy Walsh if he had made contact with a Tipp Player would he have been sent off ? It might have made a difference to the outcome
Can't see Connolly causing Kerry too many problems. He won't get the same room he did against Tyrone.
Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2011, 11:46:06 PM
Can't see Connolly causing Kerry too many problems. He won't get the same room he did against Tyrone.
Don't know Tyrone had a weakness in the FB back line & so has Kerry.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2011, 11:13:10 PM
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Showed the red card before taking his name John - should have been the other way around going by the book.
The rule quoted in that article doesn't specify an order. It would appear that the committee decided that natural justice dictated that Connolly should play in the final but since the relevant rules dictated that it was a sending off offence, they've grasped at the technicality.
Perhaps the bext manner of dealing with this issue would be to amend the rules so that All Ireland finals are exempt for inclusion in suspension which are no longer than the minimum length? Any suspension for only 4 weeks received in a semi-final could be served the following season.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 05, 2011, 11:51:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2011, 11:46:06 PM
Can't see Connolly causing Kerry too many problems. He won't get the same room he did against Tyrone.
Don't know Tyrone had a weakness in the FB back line & so has Kerry.
I dont thinkl Kerry will give much space and will keep players back simillar to 2009
Delighted for Connolly. The reports going around this morning are that he got off on the merits rather than a technicality. That Boyle was the aggressor and Connolly was pushing him back to keep him away, rather than striking. But perhaps that's a reporter just making stuff up as, as far as I can seen, the only official word is that it was as a result of "additional video evidence".
Glad its over and time to concentrate on the match now. Perhaps puts a bit more pressure on Connolly to perform, but its an All Ireland Final, so there's pressure on everyone to perform.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 05, 2011, 11:13:10 PM
Not surprised usuallly when it gets to this time of the season a different view is taken . I wonder for the record what the technicality was ?
Showed the red card before taking his name John - should have been the other way around going by the book.
Incorrect.
Am glad for the fella. Yer man Boyle should have got a month for dishonest and cowardly play. Compare his actions to about 2 dozen similar confrontations in the hurling final. There is too much dishonesty in football and it's an embarrassment to the sport.
The problem is consistency. Common sense was applied here. It isn't always. More high profile cases tend to be resolved on the common sense rule whereas many other counties get punished unnecessarily at the beginning of the season.
Quote from: sheamy on September 06, 2011, 08:35:43 AM
Am glad for the fella. Yer man Boyle should have got a month for dishonest and cowardly play. Compare his actions to about 2 dozen similar confrontations in the hurling final. There is too much dishonesty in football and it's an embarrassment to the sport.
The problem is consistency. Common sense was applied here. It isn't always. More high profile cases tend to be resolved on the common sense rule whereas many other counties get punished unnecessarily at the beginning of the season.
after watching henry shefflin win a throw in and proceed to stick it over the bar while a tip player breaks his hurl across his shin and he didnt even flinch got me thinking about how boyle would have reacted
Delighted for Diarmuid(not Dermot by the way)............... he is a lucky boy. Will stick a few bob on him for motm in the AIF. Think the" Aidan O'Mahony defense" might have swung it his way. Matter now over .
Kerry cybercackles surely on the way, although they no doubt will be slow to refer to the 1979 AIF suspension which so benefitted them.
Great news about Connolly. It is obvious that he was deliberately ambushed and that seems to have been recognised. It would have been a scandal if such cheating had paid off.
No offence to the Dubs but its a complete scandal that this red card has been overturned. I'd seriously question the legality of this decision.
Maybe they decided if he wrote a letter to the Donegal player that he'd be ok.
I do wonder about the consistency of GAA rules and how they seem to apply them at top level and bend them when it suits.
Has any official explanation been given by the CHC why the overtuned a CCCC ruling?
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 06, 2011, 10:53:01 AM
No offence to the Dubs but its a complete scandal that this red card has been overturned. I'd seriously question the legality of this decision.
Agree 100% Seanie.
Can't overturn a blatently illegal goal in the Leinster final 2010 but a big county player can get out of anything. ::)
Disgrace that he got off, but sure it is common practice now for the powers that be to make constant incorrect rulings. The Donegal player should be embarrassed but Connolly was still correctly sent off and should have served the suspension. As for technicalities, when did the amateur GAA organization become a Supreme Court of Law FFS. Doesn't matter if he took his name before/after the card or told him to get off the f**king pitch, he committed the crime and should do the time.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 06, 2011, 10:53:01 AM
No offence to the Dubs but its a complete scandal that this red card has been overturned. I'd seriously question the legality of this decision.
Agree 100% Seanie.
Can't overturn a blatently illegal goal in the Leinster final 2010 but a big county player can get out of anything. ::)
Good point. It is frustrating that there are big games decided by incorrect calls that are not allowed to be addressed after a game (replay etc) yet they can punish/let-off players based on the same video evidence.
That's a load of nonsense. The only reason he got sent off was that Boyle fell to the ground holding his face. Connolly was hit in exactly the same way by Kavanagh and stayed up. Neither was a red card offense unless you want ridiculous situation of 5/6 players being sent off in every game.
The rules are the rules but the referee must use common sense and proper judgement in making a major decision to send off a player in any game but particularly in All Ireland semi final. The reason for the red card being rescinded isn't clear but whatever the reason justice has most definitely been done.
Marty Boyle though is still a disgrace to his team/county!
Quote from: Bingo on September 06, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
Has any official explanation been given by the CHC why the overtuned a CCCC ruling?
I'll post the details later.
Apparently he was (technically) acting in self-defence, not offensively (unless the journos still have it wrong! ;)).
Wasting your time imo debating the issue with posters who hate the Dubs with a passion and are convinced that there is a GAA plot to hand us the AI.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Almost sure the Whelan/Crawford incident is going to get an airing shortly (followed anon by the "David Brady put mannners on him" posts) and that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Jeez, Pantomime villians get a better reception from an audience of kids.
Quote from: Canalman on September 06, 2011, 11:33:28 AM
Wasting your time imo debating the issue with posters who hate the Dubs with a passion and are convinced that there is a GAA plot to hand us the AI.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Almost sure the Whelan/Crawford incident is going to get an airing shortly (followed anon by the "David Brady put mannners on him" posts) and that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Jeez, Pantomime villians get a better reaction from an audience of kids.
Cop yourself on. This is nothing to do with who he plays for or not. Forget the whataboutery and concentrate on what actually happened. There is no way video could exhonerate Connolly under the rules. The CHC made a balls of this pure and simple. I suspect you know this and are trying to have a row about something else to muddy the waters....
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
Can't overturn a blatently illegal goal in the Leinster final 2010 but a big county player can get out of anything. ::)
A nonsensical (hysterical) comparison Rossfan. The first would attempt to re-referee the match again (but why stop at the last minute goal? what about the free, 5 minutes before, or the foul that wasn't seen before that? etc, etc), and the second addresses the post match fallout (suspension) for a potentially wrong decision.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 06, 2011, 11:30:43 AM
Apparently he was (technically) acting in self-defence, not offensively (unless the journos still have it wrong! ;)).
IIRC Marsden's suspension for his sending off in 2003 was overturned? Was that on a self-defence basis?
Ok, will do. In a tense spiteful and compressed game, one player exaggerated a contact which resulted in another player getting sent off. Same incident saw 2 others replicating the contact and none got sent off.
A nobrainer imo.
Will beg to disagree with many others here with a Pollyannaesque view of how the game should be played.
It shows how difficult an administrator's job can be, never mind a referee's, when you have sensible, sincere people here taking dramatically opposing views of an incident we all saw clearly. It illustrates that it all comes down to interpretation.
In this case, the rule is fairly clear cut - the offence is "to strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee". It doesn't say anything about self defence. Neither does it say anything about what part of the opponent's body is struck. So it would seem there's not much room for interpretation.
But was it a strike? What defines a strike? This is where interpretation comes in. For me, Connolly is fending off an aggressor. He puts up his two outstretched arms with his fists closed. That's my interpretation. Others will say it was more than "putting up" his arms/fists. It was a punch.
Who's right? I don't know. I imagine the answer depends on when a push/fend off becomes a punch and I imagine that depends on the speed of movement of the hands. But there's no definition of this in the rules (or anywhere else, that I know of), so we're back to interpretation.
All I can offer is my own interpretation that it’s an extreme interpretation to call either of Connolly’s contacts with Boyle a strike. If we consider intent, anyone intending to strike with malice doesn’t push out with his two fists straight in front of him, like a girl.
If Connolly had done exactly the same thing, but caught Boyle in the chest with both contacts, would people be calling it a red card offence? Yet the rule says nothing about a strike in the face being worse than one in the chest.
And since it’s a matter of interpretation, if I was the one charged with the decision, I would err in my interpretation on the side of natural justice and attach considerable weight to Boyle’s antics and the fact that Kavanagh did exactly the same to Connolly without penalty.
Consistency of interpretation is another question altogether and that’s where you have to wonder when you compare Brian Farrell’s red card that stuck, Whelan’s punch on Crawford and the Connolly incident.
When there is some handbags in the Premiership, the co-commentator will (often ruefully) say "he raised his hand, he has to go". I don't know what the actual rule is in Soccer but I doubt it says anything about raising hands.
In Gaelic the rule is a strike or attempted strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee. The issue is did Connolly strike or attempt to strike Boyle?
Is a push to the chest a strike? An opened hand push to the face? A closed fist "push" to the chest or face? Traditionally, these are not normally regarded as "strikes" in Gaelic (unless they are particularly forceful and/or cause injury).
There is no "self-defense" clause and I am inclined to see Boyle, Connolly and Kavanagh actions as aggressive actions short of striking. To do anything else and be consistant would see dozens sent off every close match and at least one after every free kick that's being obstructed.
Deegan was hamstrung because he wasn't able to apply common sense to an incident he didn't actually see himself but acted on the (poor IMO) judgement of the linesman.
(Edit: whoops Hardy, I see you have been so much more eloquent in making the same points :))
Not at all. I thought your points were very eloquently put.
(A lad I knew would often say coming off the pitch "you played great. How did I play?"
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
It shows how difficult an administrator's job can be, never mind a referee's, when you have sensible, sincere people here taking dramatically opposing views of an incident we all saw clearly. It illustrates that it all comes down to interpretation.
In this case, the rule is fairly clear cut - the offence is "to strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee". It doesn't say anything about self defence. Neither does it say anything about what part of the opponent's body is struck. So it would seem there's not much room for interpretation.
But was it a strike? What defines a strike? This is where interpretation comes in. For me, Connolly is fending off an aggressor. He puts up his two outstretched arms with his fists closed. That's my interpretation. Others will say it was more than "putting up" his arms/fists. It was a punch.
Who's right? I don't know. I imagine the answer depends on when a push/fend off becomes a punch and I imagine that depends on the speed of movement of the hands. But there's no definition of this in the rules (or anywhere else, that I know of), so we're back to interpretation.
All I can offer is my own interpretation that it's an extreme interpretation to call either of Connolly's contacts with Boyle a strike. If we consider intent, anyone intending to strike with malice doesn't push out with his two fists straight in front of him, like a girl.
If Connolly had done exactly the same thing, but caught Boyle in the chest with both contacts, would people be calling it a red card offence? Yet the rule says nothing about a strike in the face being worse than one in the chest.
And since it's a matter of interpretation, if I was the one charged with the decision, I would err in my interpretation on the side of natural justice and attach considerable weight to Boyle's antics and the fact that Kavanagh did exactly the same to Connolly without penalty.
Consistency of interpretation is another question altogether and that's where you have to wonder when you compare Brian Farrell's red card that stuck, Whelan's punch on Crawford and the Connolly incident.
Good post Hardy
while i feel the sending off was harsh in the first instance, the fact that it was over turned does show a huge lack of consistancy when looking at these things retrospectively
You don't push someone with a closed fist.
End of story.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
It shows how difficult an administrator's job can be, never mind a referee's, when you have sensible, sincere people here taking dramatically opposing views of an incident we all saw clearly. It illustrates that it all comes down to interpretation.
In this case, the rule is fairly clear cut - the offence is "to strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee". It doesn't say anything about self defence. Neither does it say anything about what part of the opponent's body is struck. So it would seem there's not much room for interpretation.
But was it a strike? What defines a strike? This is where interpretation comes in. For me, Connolly is fending off an aggressor. He puts up his two outstretched arms with his fists closed. That's my interpretation. Others will say it was more than "putting up" his arms/fists. It was a punch.
Who's right? I don't know. I imagine the answer depends on when a push/fend off becomes a punch and I imagine that depends on the speed of movement of the hands. But there's no definition of this in the rules (or anywhere else, that I know of), so we're back to interpretation.
All I can offer is my own interpretation that it's an extreme interpretation to call either of Connolly's contacts with Boyle a strike. If we consider intent, anyone intending to strike with malice doesn't push out with his two fists straight in front of him, like a girl.
If Connolly had done exactly the same thing, but caught Boyle in the chest with both contacts, would people be calling it a red card offence? Yet the rule says nothing about a strike in the face being worse than one in the chest.
And since it's a matter of interpretation, if I was the one charged with the decision, I would err in my interpretation on the side of natural justice and attach considerable weight to Boyle's antics and the fact that Kavanagh did exactly the same to Connolly without penalty.
Consistency of interpretation is another question altogether and that's where you have to wonder when you compare Brian Farrell's red card that stuck, Whelan's punch on Crawford and the Connolly incident.
I think the above is the most sensible, well made opinion on the issue that I have read.
Also from what I'm hearing last night the red card was downgraded to a yellow card as they felt what Connolly did, did not constitute striking. A sensible decision but as a few have already pointed out there is a real lack of consistency here when you look at the Brian Farrell incident.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
You don't push someone with a closed fist.
End of story.
But you can. Maybe you change your mind at the last minute? ;D
Epilogue to your end of story.
I got sent off for hitting someone a slap with my open hand. (It was soccer, though. Sorry.)
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 01:06:23 PM
I got sent off for hitting someone a slap with my open hand. (It was soccer, though. Sorry.)
Not a good image Hardy, sorry :D
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 01:06:23 PM
I got sent off for hitting someone a slap with my open hand. (It was soccer, though. Sorry.)
In many ways, a good hard slap is much more of an insult to ones manhood than a full on punch in the gob.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 01:06:23 PM
I got sent off for hitting someone a slap with my open hand. (It was soccer, though. Sorry.)
(http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bitch_slap.jpg)
What a song..............................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6bImz_PUjU
It was a hard slap, OK? Very hard. My brain turned it from a punch to a slap in mid swing as the horror of how hard I was going to hit him ... er ... struck me.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
Not at all. I thought your points were very eloquently put.
(A lad I knew would often say coming off the pitch "you played great. How did I play?"
A midfielder I played with used to do this a lot. "you were great, how did I do?"
http://www.youtube.com/user/1986Lynott?blend=14&ob=5#p/a/u/0/k2-ZeHyZalM
Oh good God.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
You don't push someone with a closed fist.
End of story.
Jinxy for Chair of CHC.
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 01:48:04 PM
It was a hard slap, OK? Very hard. My brain turned it from a punch to a slap in mid swing as the horror of how hard I was going to hit him ... er ... struck me.
You did the right thing Hardy.
No point making some poor woman a widow over a game of soccer.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0609111517-diarmuid-connolly-central-hearings-committee/
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0609111517-diarmuid-connolly-central-hearings-committee/
Lol . . . the farce continues!!! In the 5 or so times I have watched the video there can be no doubt, WHATSOEVER, that he struck with the hand.
But he's from Dublin and it's an All Ireland Final so we'll just leave him play in it. It's getting from bad to worse at this stage.
Quote from: screenexile on September 06, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0609111517-diarmuid-connolly-central-hearings-committee/
Lol . . . the farce continues!!! In the 5 or so times I have watched the video there can be no doubt, WHATSOEVER, that he struck with the hand.
But he's from Dublin and it's an All Ireland Final so we'll just leave him play in it. It's getting from bad to worse at this stage.
He wasn't asked for his name so he was walking one way or another - the CHC can dress it up anyway they like.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 06, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0609111517-diarmuid-connolly-central-hearings-committee/
Lol . . . the farce continues!!! In the 5 or so times I have watched the video there can be no doubt, WHATSOEVER, that he struck with the hand.
But he's from Dublin and it's an All Ireland Final so we'll just leave him play in it. It's getting from bad to worse at this stage.
He wasn't asked for his name so he was walking one way or another - the CHC can dress it up anyway they like.
Should that matter? It's not as if Maurice Deegan doesn't know who he is!!
So the technicality was the fact he wasn't asked for his name?
As gaeilge.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 06, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
So the technicality was the fact he wasn't asked for his name?
Correct.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 06, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
So the technicality was the fact he wasn't asked for his name?
Correct.
You saying this is how he got off but the CHC are just saying it another way to save face?
Quote from: Bingo on September 06, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 06, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
So the technicality was the fact he wasn't asked for his name?
Correct.
You saying this is how he got off but the CHC are just saying it another way to save face?
All involved knew he was walking through the technicality either way.
Video evidence was shown to demonstrate that he acted in self defence but as this doesn't actually feature in the Official guide it cant be used as a defence.
Thankfully the gentlemen on the CHC saw sense and downgraded him protecting himself to a yellow card.
A Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
A Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
We all know that Jinxy. If you want a signed jersey just ask. Stop all this arseboxing.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
A Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
We all know that Jinxy. If you want a signed jersey just ask. Stop all this arseboxing.
I'd love a signed jersey. Do you think you could get Gooch's for me?
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 06, 2011, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
A Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
We all know that Jinxy. If you want a signed jersey just ask. Stop all this arseboxing.
I'd love a signed jersey. Do you think you could get Gooch's for me?
Sorry AZ I've no access to the A-List.
QuoteKerry cybercackles surely on the way, although they no doubt will be slow to refer to the 1979 AIF suspension which so benefitted them.
Quoteand that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Am delighted Dublin will have a full team as there are no excuses and no whinging IF we beat them. (Big f**king IF for us to win but you gotta love it)
Was a bit worried how we would have dealt with O'Gara, but Connolly may suit our backs who I might add are aging and slow ;)
As for the CCC , they are a shambles, the Tommy Walsh "accident" where he nailed the referee seems to be great craic in hurling and GAA circles at the moment. Yet Tomas O'Se served 8 weeks for a nothing slap earlier in the year, oh wait that's caterwailing/ Peigsayering and we can't be seen to be going that route.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
QuoteKerry cybercackles surely on the way, although they no doubt will be slow to refer to the 1979 AIF suspension which so benefitted them.
Quoteand that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Am delighted Dublin will have a full team as there are no excuses and no whinging IF we beat them. (Big f**king IF for us to win but you gotta love it)
We never moan Mike, just get on with our lot quietly, ye lot are still moaning about Galvin from two years ago!
QuoteWe never moan Mike, just get on with our lot quietly, ye lot are still moaning about Galvin from two years ago!
But we whinge well.
On the good news front congrats to Killarney on winning the All Irelands Tidy Town's competition, Sam in Cooper's hands would wrap up a nice year for them.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Make no mistake, this thing goes all the way to the top.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Make no mistake, this thing goes all the way to the top.
The referee in this game will be under fierce pressure. Colm O'Rourke has already stated that an AI would be good for Dublin. This seems to be the general mindset and, frankly, its very troubling.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Make no mistake, this thing goes all the way to the top.
The referee in this game will be under fierce pressure. Colm O'Rourke has already stated that an AI would be good for Dublin. This seems to be the general mindset and, frankly, its very troubling.
Not troubling, refreshing. people are sick of the sight of Kerry at this stage.
Quote from: Canalman on September 06, 2011, 11:33:28 AM
Wasting your time imo debating the issue with posters who hate the Dubs with a passion and are convinced that there is a GAA plot to hand us the AI.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Almost sure the Whelan/Crawford incident is going to get an airing shortly (followed anon by the "David Brady put mannners on him" posts) and that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Jeez, Pantomime villians get a better reception from an audience of kids.
Just be happy he got off and is playing in the AI final for ye instead of drawing yourself in to more hot water with comparisons to "Whelo" who got away with acts of thuggery on Crawford and McGarritty. For the record I'm delighted Connolly is playing in the final and I thought what happened to him was a disgrace. I thought he pushed with his fists rather than hit and the actions of the Donegal players in the same incident were'nt taken in to consideration. That being said the reasons for rescinding the decision seem pretty contrived and do make the entire disciplinary/appeals process seem pretty inconsistent and farcicial.
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
Not at all. I thought your points were very eloquently put.
(A lad I knew would often say coming off the pitch "you played great. How did I play?"
A midfielder I played with used to do this a lot. "you were great, how did I do?"
And did you always reply "you were brilliant David!"?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Make no mistake, this thing goes all the way to the top.
The referee in this game will be under fierce pressure. Colm O'Rourke has already stated that an AI would be good for Dublin. This seems to be the general mindset and, frankly, its very troubling.
I wouldn't be surprised if Joe McQuillan has been subjected to some Manchurian Candidate style psychological programming for this game.
The trigger phrase is 'Gardaí and stewards to end of match positions' at which point he will send the Gooch off on a straight red and give Dublin 3 penalties.
Quote from: ross matt on September 06, 2011, 11:57:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 06, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
Not at all. I thought your points were very eloquently put.
(A lad I knew would often say coming off the pitch "you played great. How did I play?"
A midfielder I played with used to do this a lot. "you were great, how did I do?"
And did you always reply "you were brilliant David!"?
Nah, he wasn't eligible for Junior B.
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2011, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 06, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
You can see how badly the GAA want Dublin to win the AI. Given the punitive penalties handed down to Kerry players in the recent past the inconsistency here is mind boggling. I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone within the GAA organization that pointed out the technicality and told the Dubs about it so that, in cahoots, they could get Connelly off.
Make no mistake, this thing goes all the way to the top.
The referee in this game will be under fierce pressure. Colm O'Rourke has already stated that an AI would be good for Dublin. This seems to be the general mindset and, frankly, its very troubling.
Not troubling, refreshing. people are sick of the sight of Kerry at this stage.
..and we were sick of Armagh after ye're one-in-a-row. Another negative nordie team consigned to the dustbin of GAA history thank god.
I hope the CCCC investigate this appalling act of violence on the ears by the dubs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
QuoteKerry cybercackles surely on the way, although they no doubt will be slow to refer to the 1979 AIF suspension which so benefitted them.
Quoteand that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Am delighted Dublin will have a full team as there are no excuses and no whinging IF we beat them. (Big f**king IF for us to win but you gotta love it)
Was a bit worried how we would have dealt with O'Gara, but Connolly may suit our backs who I might add are aging and slow ;)
As for the CCC , they are a shambles, the Tommy Walsh "accident" where he nailed the referee seems to be great craic in hurling and GAA circles at the moment. Yet Tomas O'Se served 8 weeks for a nothing slap earlier in the year, oh wait that's caterwailing/ Peigsayering and we can't be seen to be going that route.
Mike you're right and the Top Brass can't be moaning about violence in club games if they only enforce rules when it suits them. This is an attitude which pervades from junior clubs asking refs to change reds to two yellas* (especially at underage, learn them early) right through to this shit.
*And Kerry chairmen marching on to the field at half time in club championship to plead for St Dara.
Who makes the law can breaks the law - a wise old codger once said. I feel that the definition of a punch (because Im not into rabbit punches) is to pull back the elbow, in order to gain span and provide opportunities for increasing momentum and speed, and unleash with follow through until target is reached. I would describe Marsdens punch thrown in the latter part of the ai final in 2003 as the perfect punch, technically brilliantly executed, inflicting massive pain on the unsuspecting opponent, but with such speed and precision so at to make fools of a lot of people who think that no wrong was done - a magic punch so to speak. whereas as others rightly pointed out, Connelly punches like a girl.
Quote from: passedit on September 07, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
QuoteKerry cybercackles surely on the way, although they no doubt will be slow to refer to the 1979 AIF suspension which so benefitted them.
Quoteand that is even before the Kerry caterwailing/ Peigsayering begins.
Am delighted Dublin will have a full team as there are no excuses and no whinging IF we beat them. (Big f**king IF for us to win but you gotta love it)
Was a bit worried how we would have dealt with O'Gara, but Connolly may suit our backs who I might add are aging and slow ;)
As for the CCC , they are a shambles, the Tommy Walsh "accident" where he nailed the referee seems to be great craic in hurling and GAA circles at the moment. Yet Tomas O'Se served 8 weeks for a nothing slap earlier in the year, oh wait that's caterwailing/ Peigsayering and we can't be seen to be going that route.
Mike you're right and the Top Brass can't be moaning about violence in club games if they only enforce rules when it suits them. This is an attitude which pervades from junior clubs asking refs to change reds to two yellas* (especially at underage, learn them early) right through to this shit.
*And Kerry chairmen marching on to the field at half time in club championship to plead for St Dara.
I'd be more concerned personally why the CCCC keep appointing sub-standard officials to big games and not promote/demote as required.
The conditions were laid by the fourth minute by the ref in the Donegal v Dublin game to allow Donegal behave the way they did at every free kick.
Ther PR job done on this by Dublin sympathetic hacks was breathtaking, however I would expecty some objectivity on here - even among Dublin fans. To me Kerry men in 2003 refused to take responsibility for their role in the semi final in 2003, and it cost them 2 more all ireland final defeats mainly for their bad manners.
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
Also can you imagine if it had been Ricey or Galvin who got off in this manner, not that would have been possible because of who they are. There are double standards at play here bigtime!
I don't care who wins the All Ireland I just hope the ref is now the main talking point after the game. I think this call will only benefit Kerry as it will lift them with a feeling of injustice.
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
Also can you imagine if it had been Ricey or Galvin who got off in this manner, not that would have been possible because of who they are. There are double standards at play here bigtime!
I don't care who wins the All Ireland I just hope the ref is now the main talking point after the game. I think this call will only benefit Kerry as it will lift them with a feeling of injustice.
Will try and ferret out the free count in the 1995 AIF, almost sure it was 3:1 in favour of Tyrone.
Don't forget that Paul Galvin in 2008 had his suspension HALVED ( yes, read it again .....HALVED) allowing him to play in the AIF.
This conspiracy nonsense is just imo a snide way to once again give the Dubs a good cyberkicking for getting to the AIF and not going down in flames after a classic semi final.
Still haven't forgotten Jack O'Shea's pickup in the AIF 1985 missed by the referee which stopped our comeback in its tracks.
Not to mention the "penalty" awarded to Tyrone in 2005 as a result of a perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy.
There are others.
Point I am trying to make is that Dublin have had their share of misfortune with officialdom to counter their fortune ( ie Diarmuid Connolly who I will once again say is lucky).
McMenamin and Galvin got off with plenty. Eventually the tables turned.
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2011, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
Also can you imagine if it had been Ricey or Galvin who got off in this manner, not that would have been possible because of who they are. There are double standards at play here bigtime!
I don't care who wins the All Ireland I just hope the ref is now the main talking point after the game. I think this call will only benefit Kerry as it will lift them with a feeling of injustice.
Will try and ferret out the free count in the 1995 AIF, almost sure it was 3:1 in favour of Tyrone.
Don't forget that Paul Galvin in 2008 had his suspension HALVED ( yes, read it again .....HALVED) allowing him to play in the AIF.
This conspiracy nonsense is just imo a snide way to once again give the Dubs a good cyberkicking for getting to the AIF and not going down in flames after a classic semi final.
Still haven't forgotten Jack O'Shea's pickup in the AIF 1985 missed by the referee which stopped our comeback in its tracks.
Not to mention the "penalty" awarded to Tyrone in 2005 as a result of a perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy.
There are others.
Point I am trying to make is that Dublin have had their share of misfortune with officialdom to counter their fortune ( ie Diarmuid Connolly who I will once again say is lucky).
Bang on Canalman - Galvin has his suspension halved, McMenamin got off for dropping his knees on an Armagh players throat due to the DRA in 2005 but it makes for a better story for the Dubs to be getting all the luck!
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
A load of nonsense. If Canavan had put his toe under the ball, Tyrone would have got the draw, and would have had plenty to thank the ref for.
You havent heard about Dublin needing an All Ireland since 1995, because we havent been in one since then! Every time Mayo get to an All Ireland, there's loads of talk about how great it would be for them to win it. If it was Kildare or Donegal against Kerry, they'd be saying how great it would be for the GAA for them to win it.
The people saying all this don't matter a damn anyway. And the refs certainly arent influenced. To date in the championship Dublin have been awarded 67 frees for personal fouls. Their opposition has been awarded 98 frees for personal fouls. If these refs are supposed to be favouring the Dubs, they're doing a damn shabby job.
And to bring McMenamin and Galvin together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HJQFEqKkrw
Apparently nothing was done because the referee put in his report "clear stroke with the hand" and the CCCC thought it was a typo and couldn't act.
I would have given him a life ban for that shit.
It'll be some craic when we get down to talking football! So Connolly got his red card rescinded as the ref didn't ask him his name? I could have gotten away with a helluva lot more over the years, they all knew my name and the most recent booking the ref said to me "jeez Gavin I should be sending you off for that" as he wrote my initials in his book without asking ;D
All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening. Why do we need an AI win? They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level. They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute. They are getting better by the year at all levels and have won 2-3 AI clubs in the last 10 years. They have a squadron of full time paid coaches going round the circuit of clubs, Parnells were able to entice one of my own ex club mates to join them with promises of a job etc. What f**king more help do they need? A win for some of the weaker counties in my eyes would be more beneficial.
I think that Kerry will win as tehy have the forward unit to unhinge the Dublin defence and they showed against Cork that size in the MF area is not an issue for them. Dublin will be hard to beat but I think that they have a few weaknesses defensively wise in the HB line in particular and Declan and Darren O'Sullivan will exploit that.
Quote from: heffo on September 07, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2011, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
Also can you imagine if it had been Ricey or Galvin who got off in this manner, not that would have been possible because of who they are. There are double standards at play here bigtime!
I don't care who wins the All Ireland I just hope the ref is now the main talking point after the game. I think this call will only benefit Kerry as it will lift them with a feeling of injustice.
Will try and ferret out the free count in the 1995 AIF, almost sure it was 3:1 in favour of Tyrone.
Don't forget that Paul Galvin in 2008 had his suspension HALVED ( yes, read it again .....HALVED) allowing him to play in the AIF.
This conspiracy nonsense is just imo a snide way to once again give the Dubs a good cyberkicking for getting to the AIF and not going down in flames after a classic semi final.
Still haven't forgotten Jack O'Shea's pickup in the AIF 1985 missed by the referee which stopped our comeback in its tracks.
Not to mention the "penalty" awarded to Tyrone in 2005 as a result of a perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy.
There are others.
Point I am trying to make is that Dublin have had their share of misfortune with officialdom to counter their fortune ( ie Diarmuid Connolly who I will once again say is lucky).
Bang on Canalman - Galvin has his suspension halved, McMenamin got off for dropping his knees on an Armagh players throat due to the DRA in 2005 but it makes for a better story for the Dubs to be getting all the luck!
That's my point Heffo. NOBODY wants to take their medicine, when the top brass facilitate the elite with this three monkeys shit and all the stunts pulled by our mutual friend in Cork and his wannabees over the years, it's no wonder no one saw that young lad in San Fran being hospitalised. It's part of our culture to evade responsibility. Now I have some sympathy with Connolly and he was unlucky but he struck and was caught striking end of story. I hope Dublin beat Kerry out the gate but this is wrong and anybody who can't see its wrong well I dunno.
Dublin winning Sam would be no better for the Gaa than Mayo, Donegal, Antrim or any other county barring Kerry. It would, however, be fantastic for newspaper sales in their biggest market.
The default anti-Dublin position of many Gaa supporters (including some of my own family) is illogical (Meath and certain rivals have an excuse) but is probably rooted in our troubled history somewhere and almost certainly has nothing to do with Gaa.
Quote from: Hound on September 07, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
A load of nonsense. If Canavan had put his toe under the ball, Tyrone would have got the draw, and would have had plenty to thank the ref for.
What a load of horsedung! :P What do you think Canavan is, some manner of magical contortionist? He played the ball totally within the rules (and his physical capability at the time), which is all that should be necessary, not executing gyrating gymnastics as he's propelled towards the turf (just because the ref is incompetent)!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 07, 2011, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 07, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: Sandino on September 07, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I may have to go and get myself seen to after this but I agree with Mike! The last time we heard all this crap about Dublin needing an All Ireland was in 1995 and we all know how the big calls went in that game.
A load of nonsense. If Canavan had put his toe under the ball, Tyrone would have got the draw, and would have had plenty to thank the ref for.
What a load of horsedung! :P What do you think Canavan is, some manner of magical contortionist? He played the ball totally within the rules (and his physical capability at the time), which is all that should be necessary, not executing gyrating gymnastics as he's propelled towards the turf (just because the ref is incompetent)!
Not that I am one renound for sticking up for Tyrone but the 2 big calls of the day were Redmond's sending off and Canavan's 'touching the ball on the ground' . . . the ref got both calls wrong!
never fear, hawkeye will save the day
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening. Why do we need an AI win? They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level. They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute.
*Ahem*
You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one. ;)
Who penned or worded this "A dublin win" would be good for the GAA..................????????????????
Colm oRourke........................ more country folk hot air, get over yourselves muldoons, ye will have your shot at kerry next year perhaps
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening. Why do we need an AI win? They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level. They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute.
*Ahem*
You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one. ;)
Apolgies Galway!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening. Why do we need an AI win? They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level. They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute.
*Ahem*
You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one. ;)
Apolgies Galway!
Tipperary anyone? Munster u21 football 2010. AI minor football final 2011 etc...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
All this BS about the GAA needing a Dublin AI win is sickening. Why do we need an AI win? They have made 4 of the 6 AI finals in both codes at minor, u21 and senior level. They have become probably the only real true dual county outside of Cork at the minute.
*Ahem*
You're forgetting some county that has already won both a football and a hurling All-Ireland this year. Not to mention going for a 3rd next weekend. Dublin and Cork have yet to win one. ;)
Apolgies Galway!
No worries. Only pulling your leg.
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.
The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift ... the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
An appalling vista.
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2011, 04:45:08 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift ... the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
An appalling vista.
Could be worse....could be Banty ;D
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.
The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).
I'm blue in the face telling people that rugbys popularity has reached a plateau.
They came from a pretty low base and fair play to them for increasing participation and ramping up their marketing efforts.
But in terms of this country, it still lags way beind the other 3 major sports in terms of the interest of the general public.
Massive media campaigns have managed to convince some people otherwise but it's just an illusion.
When was the last time the nation went bananas over anything rugby related, a la last years Leinster final or the hand of Henry?
Most people want Irish teams to do well in the rugby, which is understandable, but in terms of participation it's small-fry.
Most people that go to Croke Park have played the games they are watching or are still involved in some capacity.
Most people that go to the Aviva haven't played the game they are watching and have no intention of playing it or joining a club.
It's just another event to attend and a good excuse to have a few pints with the lads.
Don't let Ryle Nugent and his rugby school chums in the media fool you into thinking otherwise.
Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.
Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.
Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.
I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.
Anyway, to get back to the subject of the thread.
Yerra we've a rake of injuries.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.
The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).
Might have had something to with 30,000+ Leinster fans still stuck in Cardiff or still making their way home.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.
Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.
Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.
I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.
I'll be as blasé as I want!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.
The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).
Might have had something to with 30,000+ Leinster fans still stuck in Cardiff or still making their way home.
The lads I knew that were at it (who actually play rugby) all made it back for the homecoming.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.
Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.
Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.
I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.
I'll be as blasé as I want!
Yes. And I said I wouldn't be.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 07, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
I am pretty sure that the "Dublin win be good for the GAA" has to do with the PR battle (or lack of it) for the hearts and minds of the major population centre of the country ie Dublin. In the recent past they have taken a beating from the Rugby and even the soccer crowd eg Shamrock Rovers, premiership, Trappatoni etc
It'll be good for the GAA in that the major media outlets will be all over it as opposed to been all over a rugby win or soccer story. The likelihood is that next year the olympics will hog the headlines and perhaps the Euro's, so if the Dublin GAA machine rolls on, then they will have something to compete with these huge events.
I also believe that it is the same media who has created the "good for GAA" impression.
How so?
In terms of PR, media focus, achievements, attractiveness.
Rugby have been crowned triple crown champs, grand slam winners, 6 nations winners, Leinster/Munster have won European cup, Gonnacht will now play European cup - huge progress on the rugby front in last 6/7 winners, consistantly reaching higher levels. Get huge exposure as a result plus they are back in their shiny new stadium.
Dublin now has a domestic soccer club that has broken the mould and will be playing in European competition for a prolonged period, Rovers were a huge club and their emergence and secure base will only see them going from strengyh to strength in a massive ctachment area. Will the domestic game is a mess, there is signs of clubs getting back to basics but still maintaining "standards" - selling players to UK clubs again, competing in europe. The international team are also in emergence - last weekends tabloids were more focused on the Irish game than the hurling final.
The ground the GAA can make is limited - it has no higher achievement level than an All-Ireland. It can't enter unchartered ground like the other sports have. They are constantly chopping and changing their own structures ie NFL, NHL in order to make them attractive and are failing, they are repeated calls for changes to their blue-ribon competition to make it more attractive. County boards are falling into debt chasing wild dreams. The Dublin winning an All-Ireland will give the profile a massive lift, once again the culchies will have an excuse to hate the Dubs, they'll be everyones rivals, croker be full again for leinster matches, the jersey be worn everywhere and the PR companies will look to the Dub players as well as the Leinster rugby boys.
If Dublin win the All Ireland (which would be great for the GAA by the way) how many people do you think they'll get on the streets of Dublin?
Contrast this with the number that welcomed the victorious Leinster rugby team that won the Heineken Cup (twice), back to Dublin (a few thousand).
Might have had something to with 30,000+ Leinster fans still stuck in Cardiff or still making their way home.
The lads I knew that were at it (who actually play rugby) all made it back for the homecoming.
Fair play to them. Still would have been loads who were not even home yet considering it was Sunday afternoon after the night before.
Quote from: rrhf on September 07, 2011, 09:07:07 AM
Ther PR job done on this by Dublin sympathetic hacks was breathtaking, however I would expecty some objectivity on here - even among Dublin fans. To me Kerry men in 2003 refused to take responsibility for their role in the semi final in 2003, and it cost them 2 more all ireland final defeats mainly for their bad manners.
The tripe we saw from Donegal was a direct result of Tyrones leading the way with the cheating and negative tactics. This is Tyrone's legacy. Thankfully their lack of natural talent was exposed once they didnt have the legs to keep up the puke football. The GAA is well rid of them.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 07, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
[The tripe we saw from Donegal was a direct result of Tyrones leading the way with the cheating and negative tactics. This is Tyrone's legacy. Thankfully their lack of natural talent was exposed once they didnt have the legs to keep up the puke football. The GAA Kingdom is well rid of them.
Fixed that for you mikeen ;)
Hard to see a Dublin win here.
Playing the best team of the last decade.
Didnt play well in the semis
Injuries
Kerry's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2011, 09:55:03 PM
Hard to see a Dublin win here.
Playing the best team of the last decade.
Didnt play well in the semis
Injuries
Kerry's to lose.
Can't foresee anyway either to be honest.
Flynn & O'Carroll both doubts. B Brogan's hamstring acting up.
Colm O'Rourke making a flippant comment about Dublin winning being 'good for the GAA' puts all the pressure on the ref to give Kerry the big calls.
Gooch on track to run away with POTY.
I just hope we give a good account of ourselves.
Best team of the decade: Agreed but Tyrone had their number.
Didnt play well in the semis: True but could be a blessing in disguise.
Injuries to Flynn & O'Carroll both doubts. B Brogan's hamstring acting up: As injured as a Kerry man i suppose.
Kerry's to lose: Possibly.
Colm O'Rourke making a flippant comment about Dublin winning being 'good for the GAA' puts all the pressure on the ref to give Kerry the big calls: Yeah can the Dubs trust a former Meath player?
Gooch on track to run away with POTY: He's on track but would need to get MOTM in this final IMO.
I just hope we give a good account of ourselves,Hard to see a Dublin win here: Spare us guys we all know you are quietly confident.
Dublin are a nice team but it's hard to see them living with the kerry lads for the full seventy.at least we will see some football in the final.
The big challenge for Dublin is that you know Kerry will perform in the final. With Dublin you can't be sure as we've had too many blow ups over the years to trust them fully.
However firmly believe Gilroy and this team are different. They will play and work together as a team for 70 minutes and have a fitness level that Kerry will not better. We also have more scoring threat up front now than any point in the last 10 years and have beaten Kerry last two times we've played them in the League. Kerry certainly didn't want to lose the one in March.
We do have a very decent chance but Kerry would be firm favourites based on what this team has already achieved and the class upfront they still posess. Cant't wait!!!
Big quesion is whether we have managed to claw back the 20 point dfference in class since 2009 between us and the Kitcheners.
Personally not so sure, head says Kerry all the way in this one sadly. Any team that can have Seamus Scanlon on the subs must be a class outfit............. a guy imo criminally underrated by the Kerry fans as I think that he carried Ó Sé at midfield for the last few years of his career.
Kerry to win at their ease.
Dublin have very different team and very different gameplan from 2009. Would expect only 3-4 of that Dublin team will start in the final. For thes rest of them it means absolutely nothing. Those guys have played Kerry twice and beaten them twice!
Key lesson to be learned from that game is that Dublin need strong start. If we stay with Kerry for first 20-25 mins then it will definitely be game on!
When was the last time Kerry won a final where the opposition actually gave them a game?
They've some amount of handy All-Irelands and I, for one, think a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 08, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
When was the last time Kerry won a final where the opposition actually gave them a game?
They've some amount of handy All-Irelands and I, for one, think a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
Cork led Kerry by 5 points in '09, and with 13 minutes to go a Marc Ó Sé block prevented Cork from getting an equalizer.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 08, 2011, 10:04:10 AM
Dublin have very different team and very different gameplan from 2009. Would expect only 3-4 of that Dublin team will start in the final. For thes rest of them it means absolutely nothing. Those guys have played Kerry twice and beaten them twice!
Key lesson to be learned from that game is that Dublin need strong start. If we stay with Kerry for first 20-25 mins then it will definitely be game on!
8-9 of that Dublin team will start in the final, the gameplan is different now Dublin are defending better.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 08, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
When was the last time Kerry won a final where the opposition actually gave them a game?
They've some amount of handy All-Irelands and I, for one, think a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
Needed a replay to beat Galway.
Dublin team from 2009 - 8 players from current team. Thought it was less. However none of our current back 6 played in that game. Think we are a lot stronger there than we were plus Gilroy game plan should cope with Kerry much better. Think also the likes of Flynn and Bernard are much better players now than they were 2 years ago.
S Cluxton; D Henry, D Bastick, P Andrews; P Griffin, B Cullen, B Cahill; R McConnell, D Magee; P Flynn, D Connolly, B Brogan; A Brogan, C Keaney, J Sherlock.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 08, 2011, 05:39:38 PM
Dublin team from 2009 - 8 players from current team. Thought it was less. However none of our current back 6 played in that game. Think we are a lot stronger there than we were plus Gilroy game plan should cope with Kerry much better. Think also the likes of Flynn and Bernard are much better players now than they were 2 years ago.
S Cluxton; D Henry, D Bastick, P Andrews; P Griffin, B Cullen, B Cahill; R McConnell, D Magee; P Flynn, D Connolly, B Brogan; A Brogan, C Keaney, J Sherlock.
What ever happened him?
Quote from: AFS on September 08, 2011, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 08, 2011, 05:39:38 PM
Dublin team from 2009 - 8 players from current team. Thought it was less. However none of our current back 6 played in that game. Think we are a lot stronger there than we were plus Gilroy game plan should cope with Kerry much better. Think also the likes of Flynn and Bernard are much better players now than they were 2 years ago.
S Cluxton; D Henry, D Bastick, P Andrews; P Griffin, B Cullen, B Cahill; R McConnell, D Magee; P Flynn, D Connolly, B Brogan; A Brogan, C Keaney, J Sherlock.
What ever happened him?
Was captain in '10 and did his cruciate v Monaghan in the league.
Was making good progress this year and did the same again.
Cheers heffo. Remember something about the first injury, but hadn't heard that he broke down again.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 08, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
When was the last time Kerry won a final where the opposition actually gave them a game?
They've some amount of handy All-Irelands and I, for one, think a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
Liam , I know you are still sore about the fact that no one gives Meath any credit for winning AI when Kerry were at their weakest but you'll just have to accept the fact that those wins don't really count.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.
Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.
Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.
I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.
Don't mind that Jinxy fella. After all, he's a Meathie, isn't he?
Ya might as well go looking for milk from a bull as trying to get sense outa one of them buckos!
I was half watching a rugby report on RTE2 this evening where George Hook informed me that 10,000 spectators had turned up to watch Leinster take on the Ospreys in a mickey mouse tournament game.
Well, it was a mickey mouse affair for me as I never heard of the Rabodirect Pro 12 competition before - but a crowd of 10,000 braving the elements today made me sit up and take notice.
As George was half way through his run down of the game before I began to pay attention, I missed a good deal of what he had to report but I was impressed by the turn out.
The figure was all the more impressive given that both teams were fielding second and even third choice players in a majority of positions.
Bejaney, there were many senior intercounty games during the summer where less than 10,000 turned up.
The RWC has just begun and for the next few weeks rugby will get a degree of exposure that the GAA can only dream about.
I know damn well that the kids on my street will be out in force, chucking rugby balls about and doing their imitations of the Haka and the Kialao and every other bleddy war dance them boyos in the South Pacific get up to.
It was the same back in 2007; few if any of the kids who went out to ape the antics of those they saw on YTV had a clue about the finer points of the game but they sure had a lot of fun.
One thing that did interest me during the school holidays was the number of groups of youngsters who were messing about with rugby balls. I live within 500 yards of Parnell Park so this is hard core GAA territory and I doubt if many of those youngsters are going to turn their backs on Ciarans, Vincents or Parnells and the others around this region but it would make you wonder all the same.
Kids like what they see on TV and I've no doubt that a good number are going to try out the game when they are older.
They might never become Ross O'Carroll-Kellys but they could turn out to be Joe Sheridans- at the very least.
What a scary thought!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 09, 2011, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
Jinxy, you might be right, but I don't think we can be complacent. My own personal experiences wouldn't tally with such an optimistic outlook. Here in Newport, Co. Tipp, we have a strong rugby club which competes (albeit in a collaborative way) for the affections of the local young lads, and a soccer club which competes (in a slightly more adversarial way, on both sides) for the same affections.
Then take my home club of Ferbane, in County Offaly. With the introduction of Rugby into the school it has gone great guns, with the school team even winning a Connacht Senior Schools Cup. We've seen the creation of a (friendly) rugby club in the town (The West Offaly Lions) and we've seen a definite pull on players affections and commitments.
Ironically in Ferbane, the IRFU may have cut their own throat by forcing the teams to play in Leinster now, rather than the spiritual home which was Connacht thanks to the link with Buccaneers, but since Rugby took off in Ferbane, we have had more people capped for Irish Rugby teams at various levels than have represented Offaly, certainly at senior level.
I do think Rugby may have reached it's level, and may even settle a little if Munster and Leinster, especially, go into a rut but I still wouldn't be blasé about the fact that they attract young players.
Don't mind that Jinxy fella. After all, he's a Meathie, isn't he?
Ya might as well go looking for milk from a bull as trying to get sense outa one of them buckos!
I was half watching a rugby report on RTE2 this evening where George Hook informed me that 10,000 spectators had turned up to watch Leinster take on the Ospreys in a mickey mouse tournament game.
Well, it was a mickey mouse affair for me as I never heard of the Rabodirect Pro 12 competition before - but a crowd of 10,000 braving the elements today made me sit up and take notice.
As George was half way through his run down of the game before I began to pay attention, I missed a good deal of what he had to report but I was impressed by the turn out.
The figure was all the more impressive given that both teams were fielding second and even third choice players in a majority of positions.
Bejaney, there were many senior intercounty games during the summer where less than 10,000 turned up.
The RWC has just begun and for the next few weeks rugby will get a degree of exposure that the GAA can only dream about.
I know damn well that the kids on my street will be out in force, chucking rugby balls about and doing their imitations of the Haka and the Kialao and every other bleddy war dance them boyos in the South Pacific get up to.
It was the same back in 2007; few if any of the kids who went out to ape the antics of those they saw on YTV had a clue about the finer points of the game but they sure had a lot of fun.
One thing that did interest me during the school holidays was the number of groups of youngsters who were messing about with rugby balls. I live within 500 yards of Parnell Park so this is hard core GAA territory and I doubt if many of those youngsters are going to turn their backs on Ciarans, Vincents or Parnells and the others around this region but it would make you wonder all the same.
Kids like what they see on TV and I've no doubt that a good number are going to try out the game when they are older.
They might never become Ross O'Carroll-Kellys but they could turn out to be Joe Sheridans- at the very least.
What a scary thought!
That's the new name for the Magners League Lar.
Theres no hype and then theres no hope, which is it? Are the dubs playing the game of their lives, or is it actually they just can't trust their team any more, to the point of there'll be no exposure of the players, no dare to dream, no exuberance, no emotions,...no hurting. What about the rare oul times lads? Its an amazing sight, and part of the all Ireland experience to see the large towns adorned in flags, but to see a city with the tradition of Dublin lock down for All Ireland duty or lock up in fear is unfathomable. If this all Ireland is won its hats, scarves and headbands off to Pat and the guys for keeping an iron manhole cover on the hype. If they lose though, its some risk to take. They've refused to enjoy the moment, the dreaming, the flirting, the chase - it looks like the Dubs are just after the sex and the cigarette after.. If they lose though in what has been a remarkable and uncelebrated year for them they probably should give it up, go for lower profile less pressured sport, yeah take up the hurl and do what Keaney and Ryan did, ironically now at their swansong they are back getting beaten in semis as they did a few years previously in football. Draw..
Kerry wind down their preparations for Sunday's eagerly awaited All Ireland Final against Dublin with a final training session in Fitzgerald Stadium from 6:30 this Tuesday evening. The session is open to the public and supporters are invited to come along and give their heroes a rousing sendoff. Official Kerry GAA merchandise will be on sale and a free souvenir player's booklet will be available.
Please note that entrance is by Dalton's Avenue only. Gates open at 6 P.M , LAst chance for the Jackeens to do a bity of spying
After months of skelping behind the scenes the hard work is done , its time to have a bit of fun before the serious craic of the weekend approaches.
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There will be a great geographical selection of 22 Kerry clubs represented in our Senior panel on Sunday. Great to see a such a mix, a very proud day for all those clubs big and small seeing one or more of their men striding out in the Green and Gold. C'mon the Parish, C'mon the Kingdom
Kilcummin
Rathmore
An Ghaeltacht
Renard
Dr Crokes
Duagh
St Mary's
Glenbeigh/Glencar
Piarsaigh na Dromada
Cromane
Austin Stacks
Finuge
Dingle
Laune Rangers
Legion
Kerins O'Rahily
Currow
Scartaglin
Tarbert
St Michaels/Foilmore
Spa
Listowel Emmett's
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 08, 2011, 08:07:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 08, 2011, 11:55:04 AM
When was the last time Kerry won a final where the opposition actually gave them a game?
They've some amount of handy All-Irelands and I, for one, think a Dublin win would be great for the GAA.
Liam , I know you are still sore about the fact that no one gives Meath any credit for winning AI when Kerry were at their weakest but you'll just have to accept the fact that those wins don't really count.
Mike does that mean Mayo are on the same amount of real All-Irelands as Meath? ;) ;D
That kerry training session looks fierce intense.
Pundit watch:
Kevin McStay picks the Dubs
Tony Davis picks Kerry
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
Pundit watch:
Kevin McStay picks the Dubs
Tony Davis picks Kerry
I had the misfortune to watch their pre-match analysis the other night. What a joke.
McStay getting it arsed-ways about who'll drop out for Galvin if he starts, Davis as usual getting a free hotel suite for the evening to do his preparation and a substantial fee still cannot string two words together without consulting his notes.
You would swear it was a Junior B game where they didn't know they players they were being asked to analyse.
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2011, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
Pundit watch:
Kevin McStay picks the Dubs
Tony Davis picks Kerry
I had the misfortune to watch their pre-match analysis the other night. What a joke.
McStay getting it arsed-ways about who'll drop out for Galvin if he starts, Davis as usual getting a free hotel suite for the evening to do his preparation and a substantial fee still cannot string two words together without consulting his notes.
You would swear it was a Junior B game where they didn't know they players they were being asked to analyse.
Admit it, you miss Tommy!
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2011, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
Pundit watch:
Kevin McStay picks the Dubs
Tony Davis picks Kerry
I had the misfortune to watch their pre-match analysis the other night. What a joke.
McStay getting it arsed-ways about who'll drop out for Galvin if he starts, Davis as usual getting a free hotel suite for the evening to do his preparation and a substantial fee still cannot string two words together without consulting his notes.
You would swear it was a Junior B game where they didn't know they players they were being asked to analyse.
Heffo what was it on, somewhat surprised at Mcstay, i view him as being fairly well tuned in and being pretty articulate when it comes to giving an opinion.
As for Davis, a complete joke in my mind, as for his notes, I would say all he does is change the date and names of the teams and throws in about a half a dozen "lovelys". He is embarrassing.
Ciaran Whelan and him were on the Sunday game a few weeks ago, the difference in their respective analysis was so apparent. Whelan made short relevant points back up with facts, Davis rambled on taking shit*, and I think even contradicted himself at one point.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2011, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
Pundit watch:
Kevin McStay picks the Dubs
Tony Davis picks Kerry
I had the misfortune to watch their pre-match analysis the other night. What a joke.
McStay getting it arsed-ways about who'll drop out for Galvin if he starts, Davis as usual getting a free hotel suite for the evening to do his preparation and a substantial fee still cannot string two words together without consulting his notes.
You would swear it was a Junior B game where they didn't know they players they were being asked to analyse.
Admit it, you miss Tommy!
God be with the days of Tommy's gain lines!
Jesus it was all bluster with Tommy, but at least it was rehearsed bluster, you could drag two fellas in off the street who'd do a better job than that pair the other night. RTE need a big kick up the hole with their coverage.
Very strange being away from home and looking in from the outside but is it as quiet as I'm hearing? Tickets seem as scarce as hen's teeth. All I hope is I make the flight on sat morning cos my build up begins Fri afternoon ;)
QuoteVery strange being away from home and looking in from the outside but is it as quiet as I'm hearing? Tickets seem as scarce as hen's teeth. All I hope is I make the flight on sat morning cos my build up begins Fri afternoon
Very quite in dublin anyway , was home in the Kingdom last weekend and plenty of hype and colour down there (even Dublin flags in the County Hospital !!), I have a bag of hens teeth will trade up for a ticket if I can, they are damn scarce around North Dublin.
Lots of misty eyed rose tinted looking back - here's one from the last AI final that Kerry and Dublin met in 1985.
Barney gives it in the Rocks to Tom Spillane(http://www.terracetalk.com/photos/cache/classic-kerry-gaa-photos/1970-to-1990/153-tom-spillane-v-dublin_570.jpg)
Is that Timmy Dowd in the background?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 12, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
Kerry wind down their preparations for Sunday's eagerly awaited All Ireland Final against Dublin with a final training session in Fitzgerald Stadium from 6:30 this Tuesday evening. The session is open to the public and supporters are invited to come along and give their heroes a rousing sendoff. Official Kerry GAA merchandise will be on sale and a free souvenir player's booklet will be available.
Please note that entrance is by Dalton's Avenue only. Gates open at 6 P.M , LAst chance for the Jackeens to do a bity of spying
After months of skelping behind the scenes the hard work is done , its time to have a bit of fun before the serious craic of the weekend approaches.
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Does the Gooch have a boner in that pic ?????? boner at the thoughts of playing us dubs
Looks like a stalk alright.
They dont appear to be taking this Dub game too serious. Far from the skelping we re supposed to get at a session. Surely instead of staging a love-in ( looks like the Gooch was taking the cue seriously anyway), they could have got likes of Galvin, Star and O Mahoney to bitch and snarl a bit.
Here are a few views of the Derry folk on Sunday;s game - http://mal-sport.blogspot.com/2011/09/difference-of-opinion-for-all-ireland.html
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2011, 09:49:06 PM
Is that Timmy Dowd in the background?
I think so. And the Dub in background is John Caffrey.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 12, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
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Looks like Kerry have started the celebrations early, can't see Dublin getting near them myself.
Quote from: moysider on September 13, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2011, 09:49:06 PM
Is that Timmy Dowd in the background?
I think so. And the Dub in background is John Caffrey.
Could be mistaken but I think the Dub is John Kearns.
Oh, the world and its dog knows that Kerry wil push up for our kickouts. However I guarantee you that the RTE Pundits (howya lads) will have it down as tactical genius on Kerry's part.
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
Quote from: liihb on September 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
"pulchritudinous young women"
WTF??!!
Quote from: liihb on September 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
Anybody who thought Armagh or Tyrone's forwards were up there with Kerry are a mile wide of the mark.
I know ::)
Like I said, he's a bit of a w**ker, but his point is well made, the Kerry forwards generally chose the right option, even if the right option means they don't rack up big scores. I'm not so sure thats the case for the Dubs, they've improved on last year, but I still think that alot of them play for themselves (or their brother!) more so than for the team
And by the way I don't think any county has a set of forwards as good as Kerry have - surprised they left Galvin on the bench
Quote from: liihb on September 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
If I was picking a forward line from the 6 starting for Kerry and the likely 6 for Dublin, then the dubs would have at least 3 on the team.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
If I was picking a forward line from the 6 starting for Kerry and the likely 6 for Dublin, then the dubs would have at least 3 on the team.
Spill Zulu - give us your breakdown!
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: liihb on September 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
Takes him a f**king LONG time to get there, but he has a point....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0912/1224303944350.html
Anyone who thinks Dublins forwards are up there with Kerry's are a mile wide of the mark
If I was picking a forward line from the 6 starting for Kerry and the likely 6 for Dublin, then the dubs would have at least 3 on the team.
Who, pray tell, out of Donaghy, Gooch, Darran & Declan O'Sullivan do you consider unworthy of a place on this composite team of yours? Not to mention Galvin if fit would get on any team.
That's what I was going to say.
Of course the Brogans and possibly Diarmuid Connolly, on form, would be top forwards, but if you are to match them up against their direct opposites, it'd be hard to see the Dub lads being 'better'. If I assumed Galvin was fit, and playing instead of Donnacha Walsh, then I'd be picking
Alan Brogan Declan O'Sullivan Paul Galvin
Colm Cooper Kieran Donaghy Bernard Brogan
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
Now you've done it. Guess who's going to score 2 goals in the final now :)
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
So you'd have Flynn full forward?
Paul Flynn?
No I'd have him wing forward with the two O'Sullivan's and have the brogan's and gooch inside.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
Paul Flynn?
You said you'd have Flynn in for Donaghy..if this is a real (albeit theoretical) forward line we're talking about, what would yours be?
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
No I'd have him wing forward with the two O'Sullivan's and have the brogan's and gooch inside.
He's been ok this year to be fair to him, but I still wouldn't put him in that company. Anyway, we can theorise alll we want, lets wait till Sunday to see whats what!
A question to the dub supporters here, what happens to their team if Brogan gets injured. Will that be that?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 14, 2011, 01:12:35 PM
That's what I was going to say.
Of course the Brogans and possibly Diarmuid Connolly, on form, would be top forwards, but if you are to match them up against their direct opposites, it'd be hard to see the Dub lads being 'better'. If I assumed Galvin was fit, and playing instead of Donnacha Walsh, then I'd be picking
Alan Brogan Declan O'Sullivan Paul Galvin
Colm Cooper Kieran Donaghy Bernard Brogan
I'd agree with that.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
If you were going on this years form alone then you could be right, but otherwise Galvin & Donaghy have done too much to be ousted by someone who is potentially an all-star this year.
Darn, I made a rookie mistake I meant of course
Alan Brogan Declan O'Sullivan Paul Galvin
Gooch Star Bernard Brogan
Marty and Ger wouldn't know who I meant.
So who would make up the midfield and defence of this composite side?
There's the question Dinny. That's why I think debates of the forward line is only a part of the equation. Interesting, but forwards are there to drive home the advantage the rest of the team provides. If Kerry can't win the ball in the midfield and half back line, I think Dublin will win.
There's a big onus on the half back lines of both teams, and the midfields, and it is funny that I would say both teams are weak enough in the midfield sector, yet both of them have played well in that sector for most of the year.
I wonder will Dublin put Barry Cahill on Declan O'Sullivan. I don't think he would suit Ger Brennan..
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 14, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
I wonder will Dublin put Barry Cahill on Declan O'Sullivan. I don't think he would suit Ger Brennan..
No chance - Brennan won't be picking him up either.
Wouldn't think so. Have to be someone mobile, but strong too.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 14, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So who would make up the midfield and defence of this composite side?
Shit-stirrer.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 14, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So who would make up the midfield and defence of this composite side?
We'd have to include Kildare as the 3rd (or is that joint 2nd??) best team too Dinny for a full picture!
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 14, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
So who would make up the midfield and defence of this composite side?
We'd have to include Kildare as the 3rd (or is that joint 2nd??) best team too Dinny for a full picture!
Piss off Heffo, it was a genuine question in the spirit of the thread direction, I for on don't believe the game will be decided by forwards. Dublin have an excellent defence with a massive work rate, Kerry's defence has had question marks all season and have given up plenty of goal chances. I believe they will give up goal chances against Dublin.
For me defences win championships.
i agree with what's been said. i think kerry will have to have a better day defensively than in some of their previous games. i just don't see them being able to score the numbers they have been able to up to this point and so they'll need to keep dublin at arm's length. dubs could have a stinker and kerry could play well and then it will hardly count if kerry don't defend that well, but dublin are battle-hardened, so i don't think they'll be flaky. i'd be interested to see what kerry's tactics are on the day. the kerry insistance on sticking to their beliefs and principles might be their undoing. but if that happens i'm sure they'd be gracious losers.
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
If you were going on this years form alone then you could be right, but otherwise Galvin & Donaghy have done too much to be ousted by someone who is potentially an all-star this year.
I accept that donaghy (to a degree) and Galvin have done more over their careers than Flynn but I wouldn't pick a team on what a man did two years ago, I'd pick a team on what he has done recently and by that criteria there is no debate about flynn's start spot. It's only a bit of craic anyway but IMO Flynn is as worthy a start as any of the forwards mentioned.
By the way, since all the dubs seemed to be determined to avoid any appearance of confidence in their team I'll fill the breach!! I expect Dublin to win this game as Kerry have been fairly average all year and if they weren't wearing the green and gold few would give them a chance.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
If you were going on this years form alone then you could be right, but otherwise Galvin & Donaghy have done too much to be ousted by someone who is potentially an all-star this year.
By the way, since all the dubs seemed to be determined to avoid any appearance of confidence in their team I'll fill the breach!! I expect Dublin to win this game as Kerry have been fairly average all year and if they weren't wearing the green and gold few would give them a chance.
I don't think anyone is really trying to play down our chances - I would genuinely say Kerry are four three/four point favourites.
I think we've a good chance though - as Dinny said, we don't know what to expect from either midfield and if Dublin can get their matchups in defence right then we've a decent chance.
Kerry going into a final only playing average is irrelevant though imo - they've shown time and again that they can hit top performance when required.
The analysis on Monday will be either that Kerry's 'old guard' had the legs run around them by a hungrier Dublin or it'll be the same as after the Hurling when there will be interviews with Tomas O'Se, Tom O'Sullivan talking about how hurt they were after the Down game last year and then being written off spurred them into destroying the Brogans etc.
At the moment I'm far too busy with tickets and calls about tickets to worry about Sunday and that seems to be the same for most Dublin fans - it'll settle down by Friday hopefully.
I agree heffo, Kerry do know how to produce on the big days but I don't know that their best is much better than the best of 3 or 4 other teams, including Dublin. Dinny asked how would make the back 6 and midfield, well O'Carroll and O'Sullivan would and Ger Brennan would get the nod over Brosnan, though Brennan is no great shakes either. Therefore Dublin match up well against this Kerry team, they have a good age profile so I expect Dublin to perform and if they do they have a real chance IMO.
More questions marks over the Dubs than Kerry who've done it on the big stage when it's mattered most. Darragh O Sé has been fairly spot on this year I think and he says Kerry by 5 which to my mind is about right. We have a punchers chance as they say in boxing but if it goes the distance you'd have to fancy Kerry.
Dubs by KO ;)
Alot of talk about Galvin not named to start and whether this is a yerra yerra. Jack O'Connor has not tended to go down this route and I think holding him until perhaps half time does make some sense. Getting 35 minutes at full tilt from Paul and the lift to crowd and colleagues when he comes on is worth something.
Would hope to see a 2011 version of the below around 5.00pm and am very tempted by the 2-1 on Kerry -3pts with Boylesports.
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QuoteAlot of talk about Galvin not named to start and whether this is a yerra yerra. Jack O'Connor has not tended to go down this route and I think holding him until perhaps half time does make some sense. Getting 35 minutes at full tilt from Paul and the lift to crowd and colleagues when he comes on is worth something.
I'm in that boat too! Donnacha Walsh is well worth his starting place , very underrated but is a great team player
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 14, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
I wonder will Dublin put Barry Cahill on Declan O'Sullivan. I don't think he would suit Ger Brennan..
No chance - Brennan won't be picking him up either.
I'd put Kevin Nolan on him.
James McCarthy has the legs for him but he doesn't have the brain yet.
Far too fond of diving in.
I'm guessing Nolan as well for Declan but you don't know with those Dubs, I've a feeling they want to win but to also to win sexy, the Jackeens on the Hill dont like this ultra defensive style given their booing of Donegal 3 weeks ago, I feel they want to go the traditional route and man-up one on one with Kerry ;)
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
If you were going on this years form alone then you could be right, but otherwise Galvin & Donaghy have done too much to be ousted by someone who is potentially an all-star this year.
By the way, since all the dubs seemed to be determined to avoid any appearance of confidence in their team I'll fill the breach!! I expect Dublin to win this game as Kerry have been fairly average all year and if they weren't wearing the green and gold few would give them a chance.
I don't think anyone is really trying to play down our chances - I would genuinely say Kerry are four three/four point favourites.
I think we've a good chance though - as Dinny said, we don't know what to expect from either midfield and if Dublin can get their matchups in defence right then we've a decent chance.
Kerry going into a final only playing average is irrelevant though imo - they've shown time and again that they can hit top performance when required.
The analysis on Monday will be either that Kerry's 'old guard' had the legs run around them by a hungrier Dublin or it'll be the same as after the Hurling when there will be interviews with Tomas O'Se, Tom O'Sullivan talking about how hurt they were after the Down game last year and then being written off spurred them into destroying the Brogans etc.
At the moment I'm far too busy with tickets and calls about tickets to worry about Sunday and that seems to be the same for most Dublin fans - it'll settle down by Friday hopefully.
Agreed you only have to go back two years to see that, Kerry struggled v Sligo,Longford but blew Dublin away. IMO Kerry haven't been average this year they probably played the best football seen this year in the 1st half v Cork & they comfortably beat all the other teams after that match. Did Dublin reach their peak v Tyrone? if so they could be like Tipp in the Hurling final e.g unable to reach that level for when it matters.
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Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Paul Flynn would make my team before the highly overrated, not to mention out of form, Donaghy. Galvin isn't starting so he doesn't come into the reckoning but even if he did he hasnt done enough this year to oust flynn.
If you were going on this years form alone then you could be right, but otherwise Galvin & Donaghy have done too much to be ousted by someone who is potentially an all-star this year.
By the way, since all the dubs seemed to be determined to avoid any appearance of confidence in their team I'll fill the breach!! I expect Dublin to win this game as Kerry have been fairly average all year and if they weren't wearing the green and gold few would give them a chance.
I don't think anyone is really trying to play down our chances - I would genuinely say Kerry are four three/four point favourites.
I think we've a good chance though - as Dinny said, we don't know what to expect from either midfield and if Dublin can get their matchups in defence right then we've a decent chance.
Kerry going into a final only playing average is irrelevant though imo - they've shown time and again that they can hit top performance when required.
The analysis on Monday will be either that Kerry's 'old guard' had the legs run around them by a hungrier Dublin or it'll be the same as after the Hurling when there will be interviews with Tomas O'Se, Tom O'Sullivan talking about how hurt they were after the Down game last year and then being written off spurred them into destroying the Brogans etc.
At the moment I'm far too busy with tickets and calls about tickets to worry about Sunday and that seems to be the same for most Dublin fans - it'll settle down by Friday hopefully.
Did Dublin reach their peak v Tyrone? if so they could be like Tipp in the Hurling final e.g unable to reach that level for when it matters.
Thats the thing. We know Kerry can spring the performance level when needed. We know Dublin played very well against Tyrone but until they actually win an AI we don't know whether they can turn it on and off.
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Quote from: moysider on September 13, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 13, 2011, 09:49:06 PM
Is that Timmy Dowd in the background?
I think so. And the Dub in background is John Caffrey.
Could be mistaken but I think the Dub is John Kearns.
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You re right. It is John Kearns.
lads sorry to hijack the thread but there is a Blue September event on Friday in Dtwo.
here is their facebook page with all the details. it's basically a male cancer awareness thing.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/blueseptireland
we're showing the 95 final and then there is a celtic rock band after.
in terms of the match after seeing what andy moran did to o'se surely bbrogan would fancy his chances and then you have connolly and a brogan. cillian young isnt a real corner back so is there for the taking.
the dubs second string midfield is better than kerry's first choice. all depends on gooch and donaghy and i can see o'carroll doing a job with cullen dropping in to protect.
if dublin keep the head they can do it.
2 other events on the weekend in Croker besides the finals on Sunday for anyone interested
Seamus Moynihan gives the legends tour in Croke Park at 2pm
http://www.crokepark.ie/gaa-museum/events/legends-tour-with-seamus-moynihan (http://www.crokepark.ie/gaa-museum/events/legends-tour-with-seamus-moynihan)
Fever pitch on Saturday Evening at 7pm.
http://www.crokepark.ie/conference-centre/fever-pitch-2011 (http://www.crokepark.ie/conference-centre/fever-pitch-2011)
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on September 14, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
lads sorry to hijack the thread but there is a Blue September event on Friday in Dtwo.
here is their facebook page with all the details. it's basically a male cancer awareness thing.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/blueseptireland
we're showing the 95 final and then there is a celtic rock band after.
in terms of the match after seeing what andy moran did to o'se surely bbrogan would fancy his chances and then you have connolly and a brogan. cillian young isnt a real corner back so is there for the taking.
the dubs second string midfield is better than kerry's first choice. all depends on gooch and donaghy and i can see o'carroll doing a job with cullen dropping in to protect.
if dublin keep the head they can do it.
Could somebody show me the stinkers that Sheehan and Maher played in ? Is there some parallel all ireland competition going on that nobody except the "Kerrys midfield are weak" crowd are watching ? I'm not saying they are great and, being honest, I'm not convinced by Sheehan as a midfileder myself so Dublin might well have an advantage here....but the level of underestimation is getting laughable at this stage.
mike i wasnt saying they were muck or anything. i suppose they are victims of what is expected of a kerry engine room.
also to be fair a lot of the fear and worry of their capabilities os coming from within the county.
the dubs deffo have the upper hand here. as i said they are victims of what the kingdom have come to expect. they are a decent midfield by most county's standards, just not kerry's.
to lighten the mood here is the latest from the Nob Nation crew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtlAQw9-yhE
Captain Scarlet, did you not know your are not allow criticise anything to do with Kerry football only eulogise...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on September 15, 2011, 10:55:27 AM
mike i wasnt saying they were muck or anything. i suppose they are victims of what is expected of a kerry engine room.
also to be fair a lot of the fear and worry of their capabilities os coming from within the county.
the dubs deffo have the upper hand here. as i said they are victims of what the kingdom have come to expect. they are a decent midfield by most county's standards, just not kerry's.
to lighten the mood here is the latest from the Nob Nation crew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtlAQw9-yhE
very metro the two lads. galvin destroys all challengers to his metro crown with the power of his lethal armpits. kapow! kapow!
Breaking news: change at centre half back for the Kingdom.
Eoin Brosnan is out
That's on the cards since last weekend.
He is being replaced by
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Sorry AZ didn't think you'd you be caught so easliy ;) Did you get a ticket, any spares ?
The team line up
(http://www.kerrygaa.ie/images/stories/galleries/usain_bolt/team_shot.jpg)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 15, 2011, 11:08:42 AM
Captain Scarlet, did you not know your are not allow criticise anything to do with Kerry football only eulogise...
I see you took your head out of the dubs arses long enough to get that dig in.
brown noser
;D
I'm just bringing that Ulster tribal nonsense to Leinster....
Just looking forward to a good game and with no contentious issues.
Best of luck to both teams.
I don't believe that there's any way in the world that the Dubs will go man-to-man, or toe-to-toe with Kerry, in this one.
Their overarching, over-aching, over-obsessive, totally overwhelming priority, especially in the first half, will be to prevent the Kingdom from racking up anything like a cricket score, and Pat Gilroy is more than prepared to sacrifice the footballing aesthetics on that particular altar (contain your wretching Spillane, remember the 'startled earwigs'!). Ergo, expect more of a Donegal than Dublin from Dublin initially, and on the assumption that Kerry have been somewhat contained by half-time (< 3 points ahead), the Dubs might, just might, loosen the shackles in the second half and explore their more expansive tendencies.
In summary, it might not be pretty but the Dubs won't care!
Quoteit might not be pretty but the Dubs won't care!
If we win by 2 point to 1 i'd take it ;)
There's a strange atmosphere in Dublin in advance of Sunday's game. Most supporters, I believe, are very relaxed. We realise that our team will be coming up against one of the greatest teams of all time and that the experts are spot-on in predicting a clear-cut win for the Kingdom. All this means that we have no unrealistic expectations, and provided that the lads are not hammered and if they keep fighting to the end we'll be proud of them no matter what the final result.
So we're all very relaxed – it's so like the build-up to the 1974 All Ireland Semi-Final when the Dubs came up against the greatest Cork football team of all time......... ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 16, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
Quoteit might not be pretty but the Dubs won't care!
If we win by 2 point to 1 i'd take it ;)
If you win by 1 point to zero you'd take it! ;)
Here's to a good final. Cant believe how much the Dubs have been written off in the last few weeks. I'm sticking with my prediction that they'll have too much overall pace and power for a Kerry side that still has some great players but also has weaknesses.
The way they had to dig themselves out of trouble mentally to make the final will also stand to the Dubs. Gilroy has cut out all the hype and circus normally surrounding them. I love watching Declan O'Sullivan, Tomas O'Se and the Gooch but this time round I'd like to see the Brogan Bros, Cluxton and Cullen win their first AI senior medal.
Quote from: ross matt on September 16, 2011, 02:30:35 PM
Here's to a good final. Cant believe how much the Dubs have been written off in the last few weeks. I'm sticking with my prediction that they'll have too much overall pace and power for a Kerry side that still has some great players but also has weaknesses.
The way they had to dig themselves out of trouble mentally to make the final will also stand to the Dubs. Gilroy has cut out all the hype and circus normally surrounding them. I love watching Declan O'Sullivan, Tomas O'Se and the Gooch but this time round I'd like to see the Brogan Bros, Cluxton and Cullen win their first AI senior medal.
For once on here, an honest speak from an honest man.
Come on the Dubs. A toast to the the Dubs. "May we keep the wolves in the hills and the women in our beds".
Alive alive ohho!!
agree with some comments in this thread. got a feeling that dublin are going to make breaking them down very tough. i'm not expecting it to be an open game, more hard fought than anything.
Up Leinster!!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
Up Leinster!!
Tough game for them at home to Glasgow this weekend alright.
Dublin by at least 3, not sure wether to back them to win by 1-3 at 7/2 or 4-6pts. I shit you not, Dubs are certs IMO. A tramping match round MF and Kerry's HB area and the Kerry attacks will get cut of at source, Kerry's MF and defence will be shown up for the what they are - very very ordinary, a team that has been carried by it's forwards all year. Off course if Dublin fill the pants it'll be up for grabs, but I think Gilroy has known what hes been at from the very start and I dont see any reason why they wont have an appropriate gameplan and they have the players to execute it.
The prebout weigh in / trash talking now winding down.
I think that the Dubs will win on Sunday and comprehensively enough at the end. I believe that we had our "St Brendan's Cup/ Gaelic Park" moment in Killarney in the spring of 2010. Will go on a limb and say Dubs to win by 5plus. Cyberderision awaits I am sure.
Am a firm believer that the end comes very quickly and harshly to great teams........... amazed to see Kerry playing players who were not deemed good enough some years ago. 2 warhorses on the bench also.
Hope ladyluck smiles belatedly on us on Sunday and maybe one of our shots goes into the net off the post and not 30 yards upfield.
Regardless of result our two teams have done us proud this year.
Btw, my predictions this year have been hopeless.
Am torn between Connolly and Declan O'S as my bets for motm. Both around 10/1.
Hope fellow Dub and Kerry posters here enjoy the day.
I also think Dublin will win.
Mayo had four clear goal chances V Kerry, My guess is that Dublin will be a bit more clinical in their finishing. Not a Revelation, but the Kerry fullback line is very suspect. Mayo could have scored 3-10, they still would have got beaten, but I believe Dublin's forwards are a bigger threat than Mayo's.
Surprise of the day could be O Gara starting if Flynn is hurt. O Gara's robust style could bother Kerry's fullback, in addition, he does not have the finesse to be an impact sub. Expect Alan Brogan to play wing half or center half if Flynn is out.
Would be somewhat worried about Dublin corner backs, The dummy that was sold by Colm Mcfadden in the s/f has to be worrying, if that happens sunday, Dublin will be picking the ball out of the net.
I believe Declan o Sullivan has been injured most of the year, other than the 1st half V Cork, he has been a bit player, just does not seem himself, little or no covering back, some very lazy tackling.
Limerick never physically touched Kerry, Mayo did and it threw them off their game, expect more of the same on Sunday.
When Kerry won the All-Ireland two years ago, the had Dara O Se, Kinelley, Tommy Walsh and Galvin and Tommy Griffin(ii think) starting, You can not replace those five. I have felt that Kerry's midfield is venerable all year, How a guy who could not get his place corner forward is now starting midfielder has to be a concern. The only decent midfield he came up against was Cork and look what happened in the second half of that game.
Looking forward to being there and hoping for a good game, flying out tonight.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3dN5hTiUk&feature=relat ed (http://ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3dN5hTiUk&feature=relat%20ed)
26 years after a Kerry team with a lot of mileage on the clock met a supposedly hungrier, fitter team from the capital, we are back here again. One thing that struck me in the above clip (apart from the unnecessarily short shorts the players wore!) is the similarities between then and now. Kerry, like then, have a big target man at full forward. They have an ageing backline that people have written off as over the hill/exploitable, they are facing into their 8th final in 10 years (85 team facing into their 9th in 11 years).
Less than 48 hours to go before these 2 old rivals join battle again, I am nervous, excited, but pretty confident. We have the experience, we have the hunger, we have the Gooch. We are the Kingdom. Roll on 3.30 Sunday!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 16, 2011, 07:32:41 PM
1985
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3dN5hTiUk&feature=relat ed (http://ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3dN5hTiUk&feature=relat%20ed)
Was that Ray Hazely or Mick Holden who was no.4 for the Dubs that day?
If the ref doesn't give a free to Gooch every time he's tackled the Dubs have a serious chance.
we dont praise Cork very much here, but one thing they do is give the best GAA coverage in D'Paper otherwise known as The Examiner.
Warning: there are no flashy pictures or big headlines so these may not be suitable for the typical Dublin supporter used to The Sun or The Star ;)
Some of the articles from today...
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbey/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbey/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqleysn/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqleysn/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojau/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojau/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojcw/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojcw/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojmh/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojmh/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojey/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojey/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojoj/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojoj/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojgb/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojgb/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojql/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojql/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojid/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojid/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojsn/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlojsn/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbau/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbau/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbkf/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbkf/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbcw/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbcw/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbmh/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgbmh/)
http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgboj/ (http://www.examiner.ie/text/sport/kfgbqlqlgboj/)
Thanks for that KM - it really makes you pang for involvement in the AIF. Part of me wishes Kerry had the chance to see off Tyrone's ship into the wilderness.
QuotePart of me wishes Kerry had the chance to see off Tyrone's ship into the wilderness
Next year maybe !!
Tickets are going to be even more desirable now that David "Hill 16" Norris has come out and said he has got a ticket for final. Any auld queens making a late dash up the back straight from Kerry ?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 16, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
QuotePart of me wishes Kerry had the chance to see off Tyrone's ship into the wilderness
Next year maybe !!
She's half way out.
QuoteShe's half way out.
She's not scuttled just yet there will be one last kick in them me thinks !!
so call Kerry and Dublin , Tyrone have seen them up up close over the last few years probably better better anyone..
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/aontroim/up-kerry.jpg)
Not my personal sentiments! Best of luck to both teams.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
If the ref doesn't give a free to Gooch every time he's tackled the Dubs have a serious chance.
That's the thing. If he's got them in the past he ought to get them again. Why should it be different this time? Surely Dublin are not going to get special treatment?
Kerry are the best team in the land. Kerry will win.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2011, 12:30:23 AM
Kerry are the best team in the land. Kerry will win.
Better believe it. We're going for the shampoo commericals
Dublin to play their 6 forwards in exclusively attacking positions and be lauded by their supporters for sticking true to their principles even after the inevitable defeat.
The Irish Times Saturday
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265562.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265562.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265231.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265231.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265435.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265435.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265176.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265176.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304264460.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304264460.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265396.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265396.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304255436.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304255436.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0916/1224304194354.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0916/1224304194354.html)
Quote from: aontroim on September 17, 2011, 12:02:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/aontroim/up-kerry.jpg)
Not my personal sentiments! Best of luck to both teams.
Some Dublin fan photoshopped it spot the difference?
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6150858996_e9b5893c20_z.jpg)
I think we are fooked. Was over on reservoirdubs.com and its plain that the Dubs really want this more than we do.
Hopefully our experience will see us over the line.
While Dublin as a whole are undoubtedly hungrier for Sam than Kerry, I don't think the competitiveness in the likes of the O'Ses and Cooper etc can be overlooked. These men hate to lose any game regardless of what they have won in the past. I have saw interviews with Dara O'Se where he remembers more clearly the defeats than the victories.
If Kerry break even at midfield they have cuter/more intelligent forwards than Dublin. One of the main differences between Tyrone/Kerry and the rest over the years is shot selection. Kerry won't panic, they will work the ball into the best position to shoot in comparison to the wild shooting from all angles of Dublin v Donegal.
If Dublin could manufacture space they have the pace to run the legs off Kerrys defence but whisper it quietly Kerry may actually have more than 6 defenders in their own half (I know it goes against everything they stand for) and they will be prepared for this.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 17, 2011, 01:08:24 AM
The Irish Times Saturday
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265562.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265562.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265231.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265231.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265435.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265435.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265176.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265176.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304264460.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304264460.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265396.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304265396.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304255436.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0917/1224304255436.html)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0916/1224304194354.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0916/1224304194354.html)
Good work Mike..great article on the O'Sé's in particular. That bus driver should be given the freedom of West Kerry!
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 15, 2011, 07:24:05 PM
Breaking news: change at centre half back for the Kingdom.
Eoin Brosnan is out
Yeah, right! The usual mind games.
The two m,opst deserving teams in Ireland have made the final in 2011. Dublin because they host the party and Kerry because they beat Limerick 4 times to reach the final.
Seriously though Good luck to both teams and sets of supporters and may the best team win. I must admit If the Dubs can keep Kerry close I fancy them, but this Kerry team, are capable of putting distance between themselves and anyone. Heres hoping for a cracker!
QuoteMuch the same for Monday's (potential) victory parade to the Mansion House.
beep beep beep beep
Back that bus into the Shed there Anto, we won't be needing it.
Think Kerry will sneak it by a couple of points, although goals could scupper this prediction. Dublin have only conceded 2 goals all year IIRC but Kerry have been creating lots of goal chances and I fancy them to take 1. Dublin will create their fair goal chances down the other end but Kealy is an excellent shot stopper so Dublin to sneak 1 as well.
Much has been made of the age of the Kerry backs, tell a Kerry man they aren't up to it any more and they will show you that they can, I expect big games from them.
Gilroy was too slow to make changes the last day so Kerry have the edge on the line as well.
Right call to leave Galvin on the bench too. Although he made an impression in the semi final I thought he looked heavy legged at times and Donnacha Walsh's energy is better used at the start.
Dublin have to do onto Kerry what teams do to them, be there or thereabouts entering the last 10 minutes and hope you pull through. Feel there's a big game in Connolly and McMenamin to make another big impact when he comes on. Biggest game will come from Kieran O'Leary I feel, Dublin will put their weakest defender (Fitzsimmons) on Kerry's perceived weakest attacker (O'Leary) and O'Leary has been playing well all summer, the form of Gooch has kept him below the radar.
Hope it's a good game above all else, only 13 hours to go, can't wait.
AI final morning and suddenly realised that really we shouldn't bother turning up today at all. Kerry have the tradition, best players of all time and we only have 2 scoring threats who can be handled easily by lads who know how to win games. If we keep it down to a 10 point loss we'll be doing well. Class and pure football skill will always beat hard work and commitment and character and although we might huff and puff for a while the Kingdom will be restored to their rightful place at the top of the heap ;) ;)
Bookies are usually spot on so Kerry 4/6 and Dublin 9/4 sums it up really. Just hope the weather stays fine and we don't get too wet.
Quote from: Declan on September 18, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
AI final morning and suddenly realised that really we shouldn't bother turning up today at all. Kerry have the tradition, best players of all time and we only have 2 scoring threats who can be handled easily by lads who know how to win games. If we keep it down to a 10 point loss we'll be doing well. Class and pure football skill will always beat hard work and commitment and character and although we might huff and puff for a while the Kingdom will be restored to their rightful place at the top of the heap ;) ;)
Bookies are usually spot on so Kerry 4/6 and Dublin 9/4 sums it up really. Just hope the weather stays fine and we don't get too wet.
Bleedin yerra!!
Dublin by 4 points.
with Dublin flooding the defence with their strategy like the one mayo used in the first 25 mins of the semi final, it will be hard for kerry to score- unless from long range and the wet day wont suit long range points to open up a defence.
Not sure if Flynn will play and he will be a big loss to Dublin. Still they need a few points from their half forward line if they are to win. I believe they will by one or maybe two.
Is the game on BBC 2?
http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php (http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php)
Martin Carney surely not.... :( :( :(
The ball is in hopefully it's as good of game as the minor one.
Low-scoring level game so far.
declan o'sullivan could have seen red for that.
What a goal :o
was that goochs first touch?
2 small attackers, 4 defenders and they never touched either of them.
Dublin should have got a goal there but fine save.
Score?
All square
Kerry 1-1 Dublin 0-4 28 mins gone
0-5 to 1-1. low scoring but entertaining enough.
d 0-5 k 1-1 great b brogan pt
Dublin's running/fitness is causing Kerry major hassle. This could be (whisper it) a Dublin win
Galvin the 'enfant terrible' points, 1 in it
bad miss there from bernard brogan matched by gooch. 2 easy enough frees. how crucial will they be in the end?
HT Dublin 0-6 Kerry 1-2 low scoring but enjoyable game Dublin full value for the half time lead.
Ref sore on Kerry... Dubs doing a good Donegal impression!
Thank God for the minor game.
This is awful hard to watch !
Ref trying his very best for Dublin in this one. That O'Carrol was r****g Declan O' Sullivan on more than one occasion and no free given. There is one thing about been intense in the tackling, but the tackling must be legal and this ref doesn't seem to know the difference.
Pity Gooch would not kick a wide against Mayo....
Kerry still favs at HT:
Kerry 8/11 Draw 6/1 Dublin 6/4
God listening to the lads in the rte studio is hard the dubs are playing like donegal did and its great very hard to watch them 0.06 to 1.02 at half time and not a bad word said from them
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
3 scores in 37 mins from the purists. Pure shite. Hope Spillane et al give them what they gave Donegal.
1613 Pat Spillane: "Kerry are playing second fiddle to Dublin and Jack O'Connor has a lot to do at the break".
How would he have phrased that in the case of Donegal?
You're learning Donegal lad . RTE are totally biased when Dublin play and almost as bad whenKerry play.
So when they play each other it's a total lovein and like SKY everything is brilliant and wonderful and other orgasmic descriptions.
On the other hand the likes of Donegal get the opposite treatment. Mind you if ye were to pay TV licences it might get better. :D
Kerry bate at midfield. Dubs starting to believe.
Wise up ffs.
The Dubs attack in numbers, Donegal had one attacker.
The Dubs are attacking the Kerry kick-out and winning it. Donegal retreated for the kickouts and gave Clucko a choice of 4 or 5 players.
Kerry on the ropes Dublin winning all the battles over the field can they keep it going?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
You're learning Donegal lad . RTE are totally biased when Dublin play and almost as bad whenKerry play.
So when they play each other it's a total lovein and like SKY everything is brilliant and wonderful and other orgasmic descriptions.
On the other hand the likes of Donegal get the opposite treatment. Mind you if ye were to pay TV licences it might get better. :D
Its one of the worst all ireland finals i have seen yet you would of thought it was be amazing game listening to them 3 at half time
Quote from: donegal lad on September 18, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
You're learning Donegal lad . RTE are totally biased when Dublin play and almost as bad whenKerry play.
So when they play each other it's a total lovein and like SKY everything is brilliant and wonderful and other orgasmic descriptions.
On the other hand the likes of Donegal get the opposite treatment. Mind you if ye were to pay TV licences it might get better. :D
Its one of the worst all ireland finals i have seen yet you would of thought it was be amazing game listening to them 3 at half time
It's better than the recent ones with Mayo getting hammered and Cork in 07, not brilliant but very interesting
level, Kerry are upping their game now
Walsh For Kerry is having a mire, get him off
Crucial period now, Kerry have done well to get back level, 8pts to 1-5.
Level again soft free.
The Ref inspired dubs are still in it....what a performance
Kerry's better forwards may well be the difference
Kerry 2 up now
Not overly enamoured with this match at all.
Take away Kerry's goals and Brogan's point, and it's just a negative game full of slide tackles, sloppy passes, and fear of attacking freely.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
Not overly enamoured with this match at all.
Take away Kerry's goals and Brogan's point, and it's just a negative game full of slide tackles, sloppy passes, and fear of attacking freely.
Slightly fussy reffing as well.
Kerry starting to get a hold of this game have a feeling dublin gonna need a goal to win this
Dubs have really lost the discipline of their tackling. Just diving into challenges now.
Funny how Kerry are above criticism.
They played Galvin in front of their full back sonce he came on and they spend more time hand-passing across their own 65m line than any team I've ever seen.
Still winning justifies everything.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
Not overly enamoured with this match at all.
Take away Kerry's goals and Brogan's point, and it's just a negative game full of slide tackles, sloppy passes, and fear of attacking freely.
Couldn't agree more with you its a very poor final but listening to rte would think its the greatest ever played
3 up now, dubs are beat I'd say, Kerry holding posession well
it's slipping away from dublin
4 in it, Cooper pt
Kerry will see it out from here.
Probably by quite a margin.
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Kerry will see it out from here.
Probably by quite a margin.
Or maybe not!
Goal Dublin!!!
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Kerry will see it out from here.
Probably by quite a margin.
Yeah ::) ::) ::) ::)
Super goal game on!
dubs goal
How many steps did he get there? 10?
Thats so poor from Declan O'Sullivan - just do what anyone would have done and take him down to stop the goal
level
What a score for Nolan's first ever!
Level.
Level again will we get a replay?
set up for a great finish
f**k sake, I went to the toilet and the dubs score 1-1!
That goal was so much more that 3 points - completely changed the momentum of the game, gave the Dubs hope when there wasn't any as Kerry were cantering away - it could be the winning of the All Ireland
Oh, and the ref, yet again this year, has gave Dublin all the 50/50's.
McMenaman lucky with two hops in easy scoring range for Sheehan but got away with it.
Fully expect Dubs to win this now
dubs up 1
Ger: "Its a time for cool hearts"
Some point
What a point from Star!
Kerry are very like Donegal. More cutting in attack and less organised in defence, but the concept is very similar.
Brennan might regret that lunacy.
Dubs still to win it (NAP)
Can a goalkeeper win the All Ireland?
Lol - very fitting that it is from the ref, although that probably was a free to be fair
Cluxton knocks this over
Kicking for an All-Star, an All Ireland........wow.
Well done Dublin the long wait is over!
The ref was a total disgrace today, shame on him
The hydra has been beheaded. Fair play to Cluxton.
A victory for startled earwigs.
The referee should be hung, drawn and quartered for that. 1 mins 35 secs of injury time was used up by Dublin's freetaker, and he added only 15 secs the other way. I've little time for Kerry, but that is disgusting.
well done to dublin. fair play to cluxton - pressure kick of all pressure kicks. that's how you beat kerry - hit them with a sucker punch at end. kerry wil be real sickened :D
All comes from O'Sullivan's decision NOT to haul down McManamon when McManamon only had him to beat before shooting at goal
That's whats ultimately cost Kerry - you could feel Dublin were going to win it from the minute that ball hit the net, even though they were still 1 down with 9 minutes left
Ref has helped them out as usual but if O'Sullivan drags McManamon down Kerry only concede a point and they win it
Cluxton dandered up knowing that if he wasted the usual minute it takes for him to get up, Kerry wouldnt have another chance
Fair bucks to Dublin and esp Pat Gilroy, seems a good bloke, but by gum, McQuillan was on their side!
Cluxton will prob get an all-star despite nearly losing the final single handedly, his kick outs in the second half were terrible
Well done to the dubs
McQuillan has been and always will be a joke. Good to see all the little crack-heads on the hill screaming with happiness. High out of their tree I'd say!
Well done the Dubs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
What a couple of days for sport. What a performance by Dublin. They exhibited all that's best in the game today and I admire the honesty with which they play the game under Gilroy. Like Ireland yesterday, this was all about character, belief and resolve. Congratulations.
Fair play to the Dubs will be some session in Dublin tonight.
Some last 10
No better man for Dublin to win it for them. Fair play
Well done Dublin. Some coke snorted tonight!
F*cking beauty!!!!!
Great game, enjoyable as a neutral. Great score from Donaghy at the end but then shenanigans to get that ball thrown up, there were a few interesting refereeing decisions, but I don't think that in the end they made any significant impact.
A great All Ireland to watch, great display from both teams, Dublin deserved it in the end though
Did I see Cluxon walking into the dressing rooms there ??? Think he is claustrophobic but still thought he would have stayed out for the ovation he would receive
cluxton deserves that for emptying mc ateer!
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2011, 04:59:42 PM
Brennan might regret that lunacy.
Donaghy was delaying every single free though, cheating cvnt, you'd know he was from Tyrone.
Crap enough game but a decent finish. O'Connor will be raging that the Dub was not taken down.
So ... Copper's then?
Hard to get a man of the match out of the game, Sheehan was in the running upto near the end. Michael Dara McA maybe now.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 18, 2011, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 18, 2011, 04:59:42 PM
Brennan might regret that lunacy.
Donaghy was delaying every single free though, cheating cvnt, you'd know he was from Tyrone.
Crap enough game but a decent finish. O'Connor will be raging that the Dub was not taken down.
Yes but that goes under the poor reffing category.
Brennan still lucky giving up possession like that in injury time with the score level.
Could have been a draw only a kick of ball between the sides, Dublin goal the turning point no doubt & i think over the 70 plus mins the best team won.
Do the Dubs not like their seated fans?
Why is Cluxton not getting involved in the celebrations?
That was a great shot of Paul Caffery there with the Dublin team.
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on September 18, 2011, 05:04:32 PM
All comes from O'Sullivan's decision NOT to haul down McManamon when McManamon only had him to beat before shooting at goal
That's whats ultimately cost Kerry - you could feel Dublin were going to win it from the minute that ball hit the net, even though they were still 1 down with 9 minutes left
Ref has helped them out as usual but if O'Sullivan drags McManamon down Kerry only concede a point and they win it
Well that's what happens when you play half-forwards in the full-back line. ;)
Great finish to an average game but I'll tell you what the Dubs have some bottle for pulling that game out of the fire.... Fair play to them
Great moments with Pillar there. Where else would you get it?
Quote from: JimStynes on September 18, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
Why is Cluxton not getting involved in the celebrations?
That was a great shot of Paul Caffery there with the Dublin team.
Got very bad claustphrobia and is very uncomfortable around crowds
Quote from: ross4life on September 18, 2011, 05:15:51 PM
Could have been draw only a kick of ball between the sides, Dublin goal the turning point no doubt & i think over the 70 plus mins the best team won.
how the f**k would you know, sure you are watching the man u game?
Well done Dublin either team could have won it and Kerry really threw it away with 2 very basic errors. I did think though that some of key decisions went Dublin's way and the ref gave them a few very soft frees. Also McMenamin took 6-7 steps for the goal. But they deserved the win. McMenamin made a huge difference, and he seems to be much better off the bench rather than starting.
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 18, 2011, 05:15:51 PM
Could have been draw only a kick of ball between the sides, Dublin goal the turning point no doubt & i think over the 70 plus mins the best team won.
how the f**k would you know, sure you are watching the man u game?
He is watching both apparently ???
Fair play to O'Connor, quite gracious in defeat.
Kerry had a great chance to go ahead close to the end when the space opened up about 30m out to the left but the player in question (didn't see who it was) didn't take the responsibility and instead handed it off to Cooper who got swallowed up by three Dublin defenders.
Quote from: Minder on September 18, 2011, 05:25:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 18, 2011, 05:15:51 PM
Could have been draw only a kick of ball between the sides, Dublin goal the turning point no doubt & i think over the 70 plus mins the best team won.
how the f**k would you know, sure you are watching the man u game?
He is watching both apparently ???
Yeah I'm just windin. its easy with the mancs! ;D
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2011, 05:27:41 PM
Kerry had a great chance to go ahead close to the end when the space opened up about 30m out to the left but the player in question (didn't see who it was) didn't take the responsibility and instead handed it off to Cooper who got swallowed up by three Dublin defenders.
It was Killian Young - in fairness I thought he done well, gave it off to one of the best forwards in the last decade but Cooper gave a half dummy and worked it into a poor position and didn't get the shot off
Brilliant scenes, definitely deserved. Bit worried about chances of getting into Coppers tonight, may have to be there about six hours earlier than usual!
And the Dubs should have won the National League too.
Quote from: Hardy on September 18, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
Great moments with Pillar there. Where else would you get it?
+1
O'Sullivan's "tackle" was really awful. Just put out a lazy arm. I know he's a forward and tired but he must have known there was an open goal just behind him. Should have clattered him.
Bernard Brogan wanted to stay out in the centre circle
Delighted for the Dubs. Shows what can be achieved when you have a full panel of lads all working together. They are not the most talented bunch but they gave 100% in their preparation and on the field and they deserve the win. They will be around for a while too.
I feel sorry for Jack and most of the Kerry lads especially the Gooch as captain but very hard to feel any pity for Donaghy who over the last few years has become quite an unlikeable character on the field. Never quit whinging all day and went down like he was shot at the end. No place for that shit in the game.
Was also lovely to see the Dublin players with Paul Caffrey and Dave Billings at the end. As Hardy said Where else would ya see it?
So who for MOTM?
Mc Manamon changed the game.
Cluxton won it for them.
Brennan drove them on when needed but surely made too many mistakes to win the award.
Fair play to the Dubs, and all the Dubs on here. Great scenes, and well deserved even though I think Kerry sowed the seeds themselves with some kamikaze 'possession' play across the pitch when they were in front and going well. It looked like they were moving through the gears and the game was peetering out, until that miscue in the middle of the field. Fair play to McMenamon, he made a big difference, and he carried the fight when they needed someone to.
Hard luck to Kerry, and my many Kerry friends. Football is cruel, and sometimes you get a hard touch, but you almost always deserve it, and I think Kerry opened the door a crack, and fair play to the Dubs they piled through.
I'm sure the Kingdom will be back, but if Dublin screw their heads on right, this could well be the sort of thing that sparks a bit of a productive age.
Dublin rode their luck, got some very soft frees but they were the fittest team in the country and thats what got them across the finish line, fair play to them.
A CIVIC RECEPTION will be held for Dublin's All-Ireland Senior Football Championship winning team tomorrow evening in the capital's city centre.
The event will be held in the Merrion Square area of the city and will get underway at 7pm.
Road closures and parking restrictions will be in place from 6am tomorrow morning on Merrion Square South, Merrion Square East, FitzWilliam Street Lower/Upper, and Mount Street Upper with a stage and crowd control area to be constructed.
Gardaí advise that Herbert Street will be available for residents and businesses who work in these areas.
Congratulations to the Dubs on a hard earned victory. I thought they had lost it going into the closing stages as they gave away cheap frees and seemed to lose the head but the goal lifted them and they showed great spirit to see it out from there on in. Delighted the Dubs won ;D ;D
Quote from: JimStynes on September 18, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
Why is Cluxton not getting involved in the celebrations?
That was a great shot of Paul Caffery there with the Dublin team.
What was the craic with cluxton - he didn't look interested at all and he walked down the tunnel as soon as the cup was handed over along with the kerry players!
Have to say the referee had a shocker today. Gave a free in for Dublin for Kerry defender touching the ball on the ground when it should have been a penalty. He missed McMenamin's double bounce on the 45m line on front of Dublin goals with 2 mins left. Just what does a player have to do to get lined in an All Ireland Final these days with Ger Brennan doing a mighty fine impersonation of Tadhg Kennelly a couple of years ago. Did the occasion get to McQuillan?
Regarding Mc Quillan- spotted the double bounce OK and strange decision on the free rather than peno but overall though he handled it well.
Bryan Sheehan was my MOM
Mc Menaman had dropped a terrible ball into the keeper's hands a few minutes before his goal, but he showed serious balls to go for it. I also thought O'Caroll and the Brogans were good but I fear that Kerry may have indeed a post-86 challenge- but they do have the best player I have ever seen so some hope still.
This time last year was one of despair - doesn't feel much better still and Dubs/Cork will be teams to beat next year- size does seem to matter.
Sheehan was my MOTM also but who will get it?
Quote from: gerry on September 18, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
Gardaí advise that Herbert Street will be available for residents and businesses who work in these areas.
Jeez, that's awful sound of them, isn't it?!
Well done to Dublin on winning with a good finish.
How did Kerry lose one ....?
Obviously a stale oul team but you'd still expect enough oul Kerry cuteness from them than letting McMenamon waltz through for a goal like that.
I presume it's bye bye Jack and a few defrenders as they seek to rebuild.
Where will Dublin go from here ... could dominate for a few years but if the hunger is sated that won't happen.
A handy enough All Ireland at the end of the day .
Kerry blew it, the arses!
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 18, 2011, 06:36:36 PM
Regarding Mc Quillan- spotted the double bounce OK and strange decision on the free rather than peno but overall though he handled it well.
Bryan Sheehan was my MOM
Mc Menaman had dropped a terrible ball into the keeper's hands a few minutes before his goal, but he showed serious balls to go for it. I also thought O'Caroll and the Brogans were good but I fear that Kerry may have indeed a post-86 challenge- but they do have the best player I have ever seen so some hope still.
This time last year was one of despair - doesn't feel much better still and Dubs/Cork will be teams to beat next year- size does seem to matter.
After 1986 they still had Jack O'Shea. It helps but you can't help get the feeling that this is the end of that Kerry team.
Congrats to Dublin. Good to see some of the players that went through the tough days of the mid-2000s win an All Ireland.
McMenamon made a huge difference against Donegal off the bench and his goal was the most important score of the game. All Stars have been won for less!
Quote from: J OGorman on September 18, 2011, 05:05:13 PM
Fair bucks to Dublin and esp Pat Gilroy, seems a good bloke, but by gum, McQuillan was on their side!
Why do ye think he got the game ?
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
The referee should be hung, drawn and quartered for that. 1 mins 35 secs of injury time was used up by Dublin's freetaker, and he added only 15 secs the other way. I've little time for Kerry, but that is disgusting.
That was disgraceful.
Cant belieive the ref didnt have the sense/balls to allow Kerry to have a last attack.
If Bernard had of been hitting that free and stood over it for over a minute without hittin it it would've been a hop ball--so why wait for a kepper to come up and yet not add on any further injury time?
thought dublin were dead and buried with 10mins left. they showed brilliant character to come back and snatch it at the death. nerves of steel from cluxton at the end, it was never in doubt that the free would go over. only complaint about cluxton taking the frees is that it takes at least a minute from when it was awarded to actually taking it. time that is never added on.
take nothing away from them though delighed for the players and the fans.
just back - Good game, very entertaining and the atomsphere was unbelieveable especially the last 5 minutes. Would need to see it again to make any comments on the match 0r ref as it was too hard to see without the benefit of replays.
"star" is a tr**p, every occasion he got to mouth off he did, very unlikeable player. The dublin supporters around me were also terrible and some of their comments were a disgrace, it was obvious many of them had little knowledge of Gaa and the rules from what they were saying. The walk back Dorset st. wasn't much better with every Kerry fan getting the "cheerio" chant and "who are ya". Kerry fans on the other hand were great and a few around me were good craic even if i had trouble understanding a lot of what they were saying.
Congrats to the Dubs, probably were just about the better team overall.
those who are complaining about dublin time wasting would do well to remember Kerry doing all the time wasting against Cork in Killarney early on this year in the Munster Championship! injuries, not giving the ball back for frees, fouling etc etc what comes around goes around!!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 18, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
The dublin supporters around me were also terrible and some of their comments were a disgrace, it was obvious many of them had little knowledge of Gaa and the rules from what they were saying. The walk back Dorset st. wasn't much better with every Kerry fan getting the "cheerio" chant and "who are ya".
And then they wonder why 31 Counties can't stand to see them win anything.
McQuillan will be the GAA's darling for many a day as he made sure Kerry didnt get the chance to equalise. Mind you another €4m in the coffers should have softened the blow of Dublin not winning.
Time for timekeeping duties to be taken from Refs and have an official clock up there in public for everyone to see.
Can you imagine how long a game would last if the clock was stopped every time the ref blew for a free and then started again as freetaker starts his run ::)
Of course that will never happen as the GAA might not always get the result they want.
Quote from: boojangles on September 18, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
I feel sorry for Jack and most of the Kerry lads especially the Gooch as captain but very hard to feel any pity for Donaghy who over the last few years has become quite an unlikeable character on the field. Never quit whinging all day and went down like he was shot at the end. No place for that shit in the game.
I kept an eye on him off the ball and he spent the day mouthing and throwing sneaky digs. I never liked the cut of his jib at the best of times, but today he seemed to take it to new level.
Well done to Dublin. Great finish, with 10 minutes to go they looked like they had given up.
Quote from: cicfada on September 18, 2011, 07:15:54 PM
those who are complaining about dublin time wasting would do well to remember Kerry doing all the time wasting against Cork in Killarney early on this year in the Munster Championship! injuries, not giving the ball back for frees, fouling etc etc what comes around goes around!!
Complaints are mainly about the ref not adding on the time wasted.
Quote from: donegal lad on September 18, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
You're learning Donegal lad . RTE are totally biased when Dublin play and almost as bad whenKerry play.
So when they play each other it's a total lovein and like SKY everything is brilliant and wonderful and other orgasmic descriptions.
On the other hand the likes of Donegal get the opposite treatment. Mind you if ye were to pay TV licences it might get better. :D
Its one of the worst all ireland finals i have seen yet you would of thought it was be amazing game listening to them 3 at half time
Stop talking shite lads, neither team were anything like Donegal and this was an excellent all Ireland final. Delighted for the Dubs, well done!!!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 18, 2011, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on September 18, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Have to say the referee had a shocker today. Gave a free in for Dublin for Kerry defender touching the ball on the ground when it should have been a penalty.
I didn't see the game, only heard it on the radio, but did the Kerry defender in question touch the ball in the small rectangle or outside it but in the large rectangle? If it's the former, then it's a penalty, if it's the latter, it's a 13 metre free.
You above all, Fintona, should know if I wrote it should have been a penalty then the incident took place in the small parallelogram!! ;)
Brilliant game,best team won, congrats to the Dubs
Quote from: Pangurban on September 18, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
Brilliant game,best team won, congrats to the Dubs
A lot of old rubbish on here, well done the Dubs and enjoy your night. Bitterness is alive and well, if any other team won an AI final against Kerry in this manner, this forum would be covered in w**k stains. Again, well done.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2011, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 18, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
The dublin supporters around me were also terrible and some of their comments were a disgrace, it was obvious many of them had little knowledge of Gaa and the rules from what they were saying. The walk back Dorset st. wasn't much better with every Kerry fan getting the "cheerio" chant and "who are ya".
And then they wonder why 31 Counties can't stand to see them win anything.
McQuillan will be the GAA's darling for many a day as he made sure Kerry didnt get the chance to equalise. Mind you another €4m in the coffers should have softened the blow of Dublin not winning.
Time for timekeeping duties to be taken from Refs and have an official clock up there in public for everyone to see.
Can you imagine how long a game would last if the clock was stopped every time the ref blew for a free and then started again as freetaker starts his run ::)
Of course that will never happen as the GAA might not always get the result they want.
this is said every year. a very good proposal that is never implemented.
Well done dubs. After they beat Tyrone in the fashion they did I hoped they would go all the way. Also it is always nice to see Kerry beaten no matter what.
Exciting history making end. Well done Dublin.
Well done Dublin, showed serious balls to come back and take it in the end.
As for Kerry.....unusual for them to leave a game go like that when they had it in the bag.
Donnacha Walsh was poor throughout, caught in possession numerous times.
Galvin was very quite, didn't influence the game. Maybe brought on too early, O'Leary was unlucky to be taken off ahead of Walsh.
Sheehan had a great game, could be in with a shout for MOM
Congrats to the Dubs and I hope all the Dublin posters here enjoy the celebrations.
Best All-Ireland I've seen on TV for a long time.
Congratulations to Dublin. The Hill was great once again. Have a great time all you Dubs
Fair play to Dublin. Great to see them win.
Kerry can't reallty have many complaints after having been in what looked in an unassailable position.
A team with Kerry's experience should have closed that game out.
Kerry will be sick. Dublin will be celebrating for a long time after this. Can't see Jack sending Joe a Xmas card. ;)
Ref should have added the time on at the end. Kerry will feel very aggreived at this. A lot of Dublin clubs will be glad to see a result - the hunt for tickets in the event of a replay would have been just too much 2nd time round.
wel done to dublin, fully deserved their win today. bernard was gettin a bit emotional talking about alan, great to see. when was last time two brothers won POTY two years running. o se's maybe?
Enjoyed that - just home. Great atmosphere. Not the greatest football ever but the final 10 mins were arse clenching. There will be hangings in Kerry over the winter over tossing this one away but I don't mean to take it away from The Dubs.
Dub 'Spiderman' at half time was a star. I believe he was on the pitch as well at the end.
Ah....the Dubballein wit.
There won't be a cow milked here in Blackrock tonight.
Thought Galvin did quite well actually. Declan O Sullivan was atrocious, he normally thrives against the Dubs but he was very poor i possession today and directly at fault for the goal. The Kerry defence had pushed right up , Kerry were in crusie control closing the game out- all they had to do is ensure Dublin didn t get a goal and O Sullivan, not for the first time today makes a ridiculous decision to pass to a congested area and Dublin move the ball down field and get a goal to bring it back to a point.
The referee was shocking today and again a ridiculous decision not to add on an extra minute for that free at the end.
Cluxton was my MOTM. He stopped a certain point from Sheehans free, scored two points including the winner which he stroked over very calmly and was solid in goal again. couldn t do much about the goal
Quote from: EC Unique on September 18, 2011, 07:37:01 PM
Well done dubs. After they beat Tyrone in the fashion they did I hoped they would go all the way. Also it is always nice to see Kerry beaten no matter what.
Isn't it just? Especially when they are 4 points up with 10 minutes to go and lose by a point.
All those Kerry players trying to catch up with fellas that have 7 all Ireland medals would sicken anyone outside the county.
It was great to hear the Dub accent in the post match interviews, a nice change from all those culchie and northern twangs
janowarrameyan.
Kerry spent a lot of time going backwards in the last 5 minutes.
Great occasion - really enjoyed that game - even when there were only a few scores after 20 minutes it was riveting stuff due to the talent on the field.
Three seconds of sheer balls by McMenaman changed the game. Dublin looked buried at 1-10 to 0-9 down.
Never thought I'd audibly cheer on the Dubs. As someone said, I've exorcised the ghosts of '95.
Great finish to the minor game too. Fine finale to the inter-county season.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
The referee should be hung, drawn and quartered for that. 1 mins 35 secs of injury time was used up by Dublin's freetaker, and he added only 15 secs the other way. I've little time for Kerry, but that is disgusting.
Same thing happened in the All Ireland semi-final in 2005. Paddy Russell added on 2 minutes injury time; free awarded at 70:45 - Wee Peter and Muggsy have a conflab as to who is taking the free - Paul Hearty kicks the ball out at 72:15 and Russell blows for time.
Delighted for Dublin today - they've had some very painful days out in Croke Park - great to see them get a turn - a victory built on spirit, character, mental fortitude etc. Fair play to them.
Congrats to Dublin and all the Dublin posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations for the next week, month maybe!
Regards the game itself, I didn't think the football was great. I thought it was quite average in fact. Never did I see two poor midfields contest an All-Ireland final. Sheehan was good from frees and when he got the ball, but was there a clean catch all game?
Mighty stroke by Gilroy to bring McMenamon on. I don't know how he doesn't start to be honest. He has a great engine and took his goal well too. Seen as Dublin have learned the hard way to get to the summit, it could take them a while to be knocked off it.
As seafoid said earlier on this thread, it is really sweet beating Kerry after being 4 points down with 6/7 minutes to go. It goes to show if teams have belief and a collective will to win, anything is possible.
As for the ref, enough has been said about him without me having to add anything.
congarts to dublin, commiserations to kerry. really good contest. thought dublin lacked a bit of composure at times in front of the posts but they really hung in there and found a way to get over the line. worthy champs. also thought their fitness told towards the end when they increased the pressure in harrying around midfield having got a sniff of victory after the goal. they looked gone before they got that goal though. amazing how it turned around in those few moments. take nothing away from dublin, they had to capitalise having gotten the goal, but kerry must be wondering how they lost it. they were cruising and in control and looked so relaxed.
Now THAT was what I call a game. Well done to both sides for an exciting final and congrats to the Dubs (especially Indiana and all the blues on this board). Kerry may have had some of the best footballers but Dublin had the best overall team.
Kerry looked like they were in cruise control but made two sloppy mistakes and paid dearly for them. You have to hand it to Dublin for seizing the initiative and rescuing victory from the jaws of defeat. I really thought they had blown it after Sheehan kicked that super point from play.
Credit has to go to Gilroy especially but also Whelan and Hickey etc in their management team. They had a better outing than jack today. He started Galvin far too early and whilst he kicked a nice point he gave away an amount of possession and was anonymous for most of the match. Lack of game time this year and last caught up with him but he would have been much more dynamic if held for the 2nd half and perhaps other players were tiring. Donaghy was doing quite well outside when he moved him in. Gilroy's springing of Mcmenamin worked brilliantly again.
However this Kerry side have given some greats days entertainment over the years. I dont buy that Tom O'Se will retire. Maybe Tom O'Sullivan and Galvin will need to be playing consistently in the league if he's to get back to his normal standard in the future. But they will be back. Plenty more left in Gooch and Donaghy .. the two Sullivans and young Moran should be back from injury to man midfield.
All in all todays match was a satisfactory end to the season for me speaking as a neutral.
Congrats to the Dubs. I hope you all enjoy your win. Dissappointing for Kerry but thats football .Nice touch in recognising Pillar Caffery after the game.
Congrats to the Dub lads on here.
It was some way to win a game. 1-2 in the last 8 minutes to win by a point scored by the keeper.
To Heffo, Hound, EasyTige, Indiana, Canalman and all the true blues, don't go too mad!
Well done the Dubs. Great character to pull that out of the fire today. When Kerry went 4 points up you could only see one winner, Dublin were winning nothing at midfield and giving away needless free kicks. Kerry were almost toying with them at 1 stage.
Bit like Armagh in 2002, a lot of heart and a bit of luck here and there and sometimes your name is on the trophy.
With Ireland game yesterday and Dubs today there was some shouting done at the telly this weekend :D
Back about an hour and still trying to get my head around it all. God help the rest of us next year because Kerry are going to fester some hurt over the winter about this one. They ll be eating the grass next Summer.
With 6 to go Kerry led by 4 and Dublin looked gone. It looked then that Kerry would close it out by 5-7 points. They blew it. Daft turn over, lazy tackle and the game is turned on its head. Dublin had to win it of course but Kerry let them in and I expect skin and hair to fly below.
A lot of these Kerry players have now lost as many finals as they ve won! 4 in the last 10 years is it. They won t like that and neither will they like it that they failed Gooch's chance to lift Sam. Gooch was class again today and was a big part of Kerry wresting control of the game in the second half.
For a Kerry team their bench was watery enough. 2 of the starting forwards did not perform and Walsh left on far too long. Barry John though did much better when he came on. Both Declan O Sullivan and Brosnan took massive hits and both looked empty long before the end. But Brosnan being subbed probably was a bit unsettling with a few minutes to go.
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 18, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
The ref was a total disgrace today, shame on him
The only bit of sense on this board tonight. While I hope that the fans and players of Dublin have a ball tonight, they will never have Sam handed to them as easily in the future. I counted at least six pointed frees given to Dublin in the wrong today and two blatant Dublin sendings-off ignored by the ref. Spoilt the match for me as a spectacle and I commiserate totally with Kerry who were outstanding to overcome the psychological torture of one-sided refereeing and almost win the game. Had the game been martialled fairly, Kerry would have won well. I'd say the game was better to be at than watch on TV where the shocking decisions were hard to stomach.
I don't begrudge Dublin Sam this year for their efforts-I just can't forget several decisions that have went in their favour over the championship and, quite frankly, I'm losing interest in the sport due to the crap refereeing.
Delighted for the players and fans, though-they have had their fair share of heartache over the years and they bring a lot to the game.
Fantastic day's entertainment in both games. With ten minutes to go most people would have predicted each game to go the other way.
Hard to begrudge the dubs the win. Their indiscipline almost cost them but they showed some character and McMenamim is some man to come on as a sub. He fits the sub role for dublin perfectly with his ability to go at teams when they're tired. I thought Connolly, while not troubling the scoreboard too much, played a very good game of holding the ball up and taking the right option. The Brogan's were very good too. O'Carroll seemed to rub a few people up the wrong way.
Also with Donaghy's behaviour and crying hard not to take some satisfaction out of seeing him get beat...
Gooch and Tomas O'Se are some players mind. Pity to see them lose but you have to have some loser.
26.38 to 27.48 --Cluxton up to take a kick --Brogan hit one few mins later took 1 minute to hit.
These were only 2 examples (albeit in the first half) in 10 mins that i watched of the re-run on TG4
Quote from: Whishtup on September 18, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 18, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
The ref was a total disgrace today, shame on him
The only bit of sense on this board tonight. While I hope that the fans and players of Dublin have a ball tonight, they will never have Sam handed to them as easily in the future. I counted at least six pointed frees given to Dublin in the wrong today and two blatant Dublin sendings-off ignored by the ref. Spoilt the match for me as a spectacle and I commiserate totally with Kerry who were outstanding to overcome the psychological torture of one-sided refereeing and almost win the game. Had the game been martialled fairly, Kerry would have won well. I'd say the game was better to be at than watch on TV where the shocking decisions were hard to stomach.
I don't begrudge Dublin Sam this year for their efforts-I just can't forget several decisions that have went in their favour over the championship and, quite frankly, I'm losing interest in the sport due to the crap refereeing.
Delighted for the players and fans, though-they have had their fair share of heartache over the years and they bring a lot to the game.
Wouldn't agree at all. I thought the ref did alright. There were not two sendings off in that game. Brennan could be argued however your man slipped before he got to him which made it look a lot worse. There is absolutely no way the dubs had 6 pointed frees which weren't frees!
(The Galvin foul was a foul - Brennan was about to kick for a point and Galvin yanked the arm so he couldn' shoot. That was the most debatable one I saw)
Congrats to the Dubs. They have paid their dues over the last few years and kept at it today so good to see players like the Brogans get their reward. Disappointed our lads didnt close it out but...sin e... it just wasn't meant to. Roll on 2012.
Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Congrats to the Dubs.
This is great for the GAA! :D
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 18, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
As for MOM. With 6 minutes to go you would be looking at 4 Kerrymen before you would mention a Dub. I thought Cooper, Donaghy, Darren O Sull, and Sheehan [the best of the lot tbh]. If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2011, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on September 18, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 18, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
The ref was a total disgrace today, shame on him
The only bit of sense on this board tonight. While I hope that the fans and players of Dublin have a ball tonight, they will never have Sam handed to them as easily in the future. I counted at least six pointed frees given to Dublin in the wrong today and two blatant Dublin sendings-off ignored by the ref. Spoilt the match for me as a spectacle and I commiserate totally with Kerry who were outstanding to overcome the psychological torture of one-sided refereeing and almost win the game. Had the game been martialled fairly, Kerry would have won well. I'd say the game was better to be at than watch on TV where the shocking decisions were hard to stomach.
I don't begrudge Dublin Sam this year for their efforts-I just can't forget several decisions that have went in their favour over the championship and, quite frankly, I'm losing interest in the sport due to the crap refereeing.
Delighted for the players and fans, though-they have had their fair share of heartache over the years and they bring a lot to the game.
Wouldn't agree at all. I thought the ref did alright. There were not two sendings off in that game. Brennan could be argued however your man slipped before he got to him which made it look a lot worse. There is absolutely no way the dubs had 6 pointed frees which weren't frees!
(The Galvin foul was a foul - Brennan was about to kick for a point and Galvin yanked the arm so he couldn' shoot. That was the most debatable one I saw)
What about the free for Brosnan touching it on the ground>?? He didnt--he blocked McMenimin then kicked the ball away--i've rewound and watched it to be sure
Yes - good point. Maybe that was a ropy one.
Kerry could have won the game - ref not to blame.
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Quote from: timmyot501 on September 18, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
As for MOM. With 6 minutes to go you would be looking at 4 Kerrymen before you would mention a Dub. I thought Cooper, Donaghy, Darren O Sull, and Sheehan [the best of the lot tbh]. If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
What are you on about?
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2011, 10:16:37 PM
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
Does McStay ever talk anything else?
Of course they'll give mom to a winner and it will be Cluxton.
Easier than trying to analyse the game and the individual performances.
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Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
As for MOM. With 6 minutes to go you would be looking at 4 Kerrymen before you would mention a Dub. I thought Cooper, Donaghy, Darren O Sull, and Sheehan [the best of the lot tbh]. If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
What are you on about?
Man of Match I think.
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Quote from: timmyot501 on September 18, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
As for MOM. With 6 minutes to go you would be looking at 4 Kerrymen before you would mention a Dub. I thought Cooper, Donaghy, Darren O Sull, and Sheehan [the best of the lot tbh]. If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
What are you on about?
Man of Match I think.
It has not been announced yet .I think Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay are right about the kerry tactics .
What a day in Croker. The atmosphere was electric. The build up was fantastic, the scramble for the elusive tickets and then the game - First of all fair play to the dubs they are deserving winners of their AI after all the knocks they have took over the years. I guess our boys were thinking it was job done with 7 to go so they decided to play the ball about laterally across the pitch and then Declans pass got intercepted and the result was that great goal. Then when they smelt blood with the Hill on song they got the necessary scores to win the match. Thought the ref was shocking but neverthless there will always be talking points about him. I felt sorry for the Gooch but I guess the old no 13 superstition still holds true!! I think the dubs win today had shades of our consession of the lead against Armagh in 2002. Anyway as the man says - we cant win it every year and I want to acknowledge the efforts of the boys from the Kingdom over the last 10 yrs or so as they have given us tremendous enjoyment and fantastic days in Croker. Thanks lads and best wishes to all the dubs - Enjoy it but dont tear the ass out of it as ye wont want the whole country saying ye are hard to listen to!
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2011, 10:57:34 PM
What a day in Croker. The atmosphere was electric. The build up was fantastic, the scramble for the elusive tickets and then the game - First of all fair play to the dubs they are deserving winners of their AI after all the knocks they have took over the years. I guess our boys were thinking it was job done with 7 to go so they decided to play the ball about laterally across the pitch and then Declans pass got intercepted and the result was that great goal. Then when they smelt blood with the Hill on song they got the necessary scores to win the match. Thought the ref was shocking but neverthless there will always be talking points about him. I felt sorry for the Gooch but I guess the old no 13 superstition still holds true!! I think the dubs win today had shades of our consession of the lead against Armagh in 2002. Anyway as the man says - we cant win it every year and I want to acknowledge the efforts of the boys from the Kingdom over the last 10 yrs or so as they have given us tremendous enjoyment and fantastic days in Croker. Thanks lads and best wishes to all the dubs - Enjoy it but dont tear the ass out of it as ye wont want the whole country saying ye are hard to listen to!
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What was the official attendance today?
I agree with the posters that say the ref should have allowed Kerry one final attack. There was a stoppage for the free and it wasnt accounted for. It has always been an issue since they brought in the injury time being announced; refs dont seem to note that it is the "minimum" time added, but actually seem to use it as the "maximum"!
I dont begrudge Dublin their victory, but I thought a draw would be the fairest result. And what a match the replay would have been!
the most enjoyable aif since 2002. 8)
Quote from: mckieran on September 18, 2011, 11:06:36 PM
What was the official attendance today?I agree with the posters that say the ref should have allowed Kerry one final attack. There was a stoppage for the free and it wasnt accounted for. It has always been an issue since they brought in the injury time being announced; refs dont seem to note that it is the "minimum" time added, but actually seem to use it as the "maximum"!
I dont begrudge Dublin their victory, but I thought a draw would be the fairest result. And what a match the replay would have been!
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Quote from: johnpower on September 18, 2011, 10:40:55 PM
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2011, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 18, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
Who will RTE give man of the match to? McManamen and cluxton were the heros but don't think either will get the nod. Bernard Brogan was maybe the pick though O'Sullivan at the back for the dubs wuz fairly good too. McAuley maybe in with a shout too??
Pat Spillane talking utter nonsense now on Sunday Game. So is McStay tbh.
As for MOM. With 6 minutes to go you would be looking at 4 Kerrymen before you would mention a Dub. I thought Cooper, Donaghy, Darren O Sull, and Sheehan [the best of the lot tbh]. If they have to give it to the winner then McMen, Clux, Brogans, McAul look the most likely.
What are you on about?
Man of Match I think.
It has not been announced yet .I think Pat Spillane and Kevin McStay are right about the kerry tactics .
Wasn t talking about their analysis of Kerry tactics tbh. Just their general remarks about the game. As regards Donaghy s role. Kerry lost control of midfield when he was sent in to square. But he should have been fed more when in there but Kerry were forced to develop from deep so much it wasn t easy. Kerry could have done so badly with 2 Donaghy's today.
Quote from: mckieran on September 18, 2011, 11:06:36 PM
I dont begrudge Dublin their victory, but I thought a draw would be the fairest result. And what a match the replay would have been!
You do realise you'd have people on here denouncing the GAA as the Grab All Association and accusing them of robbing everyone blind?
Sunday game MOTM Kevin Nolan & there Team of the Year
1. S.Cluxton (Dublin)
2. M. Ó Sé (Kerry)
3. N. McGee (Donegal)
4. R. O'Carroll (Dublin)
5. K. Cassidy (Donegal)
6. K. Lacey (Donegal)
7. K. Nolan (Dublin)
8. B. Sheehan (Kerry)
9. J. Doyle (Kildare)
10. Darren O'Sullivan (Kerry)
11. A. Brogan (Dublin)
12. P. Flynn (Dublin)
13. C. Cooper (Kerry)
14. A. Moran (Mayo)
15. B. Brogan (Dublin)
Thank god it wasnt a draw as the grief of scouring the country for tickets again is probably harder than trying to win an AI itself !!
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So does that mean that absolutely every single ticket was used? I think the capacity of Croke Park is 82300 (Although I though it was slightly reduced when they put in the Hill 16 barriers.... Is this a record?
Anyone notice D Connelly wearing a Leitrim Jacket/Training top in the warm up and when Mary McAleese was being introduced to the players>?
Weird.
What was that about?
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 18, 2011, 11:18:50 PM
Thank god it wasnt a draw as the grief of scouring the country for tickets again is probably harder than trying to win an AI itself !!
Now you're talking !
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So does that mean that absolutely every single ticket was used? I think the capacity of Croke Park is 82300 (Although I though it was slightly reduced when they put in the Hill 16 barriers.... Is this a record?
Record for redeveloped Croker. Down v Offaly 1961 had 90,000.
Well done to the dubs, I am delighted that Ye won and I hope all the dubs on the board enjoyed their win. I thought the ref was pretty good today. He made some mistakes for sure but he let the game flow and wasn't whistling every 10 seconds even though the physical intensity of the game was huge at times. He played his part in the great days football. While I understand people annoyed about him not adding on time I have some questions on that. 1) how many seconds is permitted for a free taker to kick a free, over which the time taken gets added on. 2) how long did other frees take during the game 3) should the ref add up all the time taken for frees and add on at the end?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 18, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
Well done to the dubs, I am delighted that Ye won and I hope all the dubs on the board enjoyed their win. I thought the ref was pretty good today. He made some mistakes for sure but he let the game flow and wasn't whistling every 10 seconds even though the physical intensity of the game was huge at times. He played his part in the great days football. While I understand people annoyed about him not adding on time I have some questions on that. 1) how many seconds is permitted for a free taker to kick a free, over which the time taken gets added on. 2) how long did other frees take during the game 3) should the ref add up all the time taken for frees and add on at the end?
That can't work. What if the ref wants to have a word with the free offender? Does he stop his watch, talk to the lad, and apply accordingly? That'll be serious time at the end. Cluxton takes little time over his kicks when he gets there.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 18, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
Well done to the dubs, I am delighted that Ye won and I hope all the dubs on the board enjoyed their win. I thought the ref was pretty good today. He made some mistakes for sure but he let the game flow and wasn't whistling every 10 seconds even though the physical intensity of the game was huge at times. He played his part in the great days football. While I understand people annoyed about him not adding on time I have some questions on that. 1) how many seconds is permitted for a free taker to kick a free, over which the time taken gets added on. 2) how long did other frees take during the game 3) should the ref add up all the time taken for frees and add on at the end?
That can't work. What if the ref wants to have a word with the free offender? Does he stop his watch, talk to the lad, and apply accordingly? That'll be serious time at the end. Cluxton takes little time over his kicks when he gets there.
That s the problem. Today he just strolled up the pitch. As I said on another thread he never even broke into a jog. And even though McQuillan gave him a giddy-up gesture, he didn t do what he should have done and threw the ball up. McQ seriously bottled that. He should have either thrown the ball up or added the guts of a minute. It was deliberate time wasting. At the death like today a player has the advantage of that big screen showing time gone. Clux knew what he was at and fair play to him. He called the refs bluff and nailed it. He was always going to kick the ball dead. He made sure it was last play.
Just back home. Ecststic as were the rest of the fans.
Easily our most sensational victory ever, Celebrations afterwords exceptional.
Belated thank you to Orangeman(Tyrone) for his massively appreciated p-ms after the Tyone game.
Baile Átha Cliath abú.
Commiserations to all Kerry posters here.
A Carlserg All Ireland so to speak ........Tyrone (2005/2008), Kerry (2
009) and the rest and Donegal (1992).
Mayo awaits in 2012.
Congratulations to dublin, nice to see someone new lifting it. Kerry would I suppose have been fairly sure of the win, just shows that it's all on the day,providing you take your chances.
Did the ref play one minute after two were announced in the minor match working against the Dubs.
Quote from: mckieran on September 18, 2011, 11:06:36 PM
What was the official attendance today?
I agree with the posters that say the ref should have allowed Kerry one final attack. There was a stoppage for the free and it wasnt accounted for. It has always been an issue since they brought in the injury time being announced; refs dont seem to note that it is the "minimum" time added, but actually seem to use it as the "maximum"!
I dont begrudge Dublin their victory, but I thought a draw would be the fairest result. And what a match the replay would have been!
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 19, 2011, 05:55:00 AM
Did the ref play one minute after two were announced in the minor match working against the Dubs.
I think he played 1m 58seconds.
Well done Dublin - superb game and spectacle.
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
For a Kerry team their bench was watery enough. 2 of the starting forwards did not perform and Walsh left on far too long. Barry John though did much better when he came on. Both Declan O Sullivan and Brosnan took massive hits and both looked empty long before the end. But Brosnan being subbed probably was a bit unsettling with a few minutes to go.
Strange call I thought as well. I am surprised that Kerry changed their defence at that stage of the game, almost as if they were trying to shore things up.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 18, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
Well done to the dubs, I am delighted that Ye won and I hope all the dubs on the board enjoyed their win. I thought the ref was pretty good today. He made some mistakes for sure but he let the game flow and wasn't whistling every 10 seconds even though the physical intensity of the game was huge at times. He played his part in the great days football. While I understand people annoyed about him not adding on time I have some questions on that. 1) how many seconds is permitted for a free taker to kick a free, over which the time taken gets added on. 2) how long did other frees take during the game 3) should the ref add up all the time taken for frees and add on at the end?
That can't work. What if the ref wants to have a word with the free offender? Does he stop his watch, talk to the lad, and apply accordingly? That'll be serious time at the end. Cluxton takes little time over his kicks when he gets there.
Only way round it under the current rules is this. When it became clear that Cluxton was going to hit the free, a Kerry man should have developed cramp (or some other ailment) that required attention. Referee would have had to stop his watch.
Not quite sure how we left it after us but fair play to the dubs and congrats. Heart took a long time to settle down after a ding dong finish.
I'll have to sit down and watch the match again to try and make sense of things.
congrats to Dublin and the dublin posters on the board. i thought they had lost the game as Kerry looked in complete control untill they lost that ball that led to the Dublin goal. i'd say there wasn't a cow milked in Dublin last night
Well done Dublin, very entertaining and exciting game and I think at the final whistle it was obvious how much it meant to Dublin.
Enjoy your win!
I dont know how that lad McMennemenenenene doesn't start....deadly!
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Kerry had a great chance to go ahead close to the end when the space opened up about 30m out to the left but the player in question (didn't see who it was) didn't take the responsibility and instead handed it off to Cooper who got swallowed up by three Dublin defenders.
It was Killian Young - in fairness I thought he done well, gave it off to one of the best forwards in the last decade but Cooper gave a half dummy and worked it into a poor position and didn't get the shot off
Was watching the end of the game last night again, and for me this was a real turning point. Could have put Kerry in a real solid lead. Great cross field ball from Tomas O'Se with the outside of the boot to Young, who had acres of space and was close to goal, yet he bottled it and gave it to the Gooch was was qucikly surrounded. Is there a more hateful player than Donaghy? Constantly running about flapping those big wings of his, complaining about this, that and the other. He is a while man for cowardly pushing me in the back, and he never gets out of players faces as was evident in the incident where he wouldn't let the Dub hit the free then pretended to be the victim when the fella tried to push him out of the way. What was the craic with Donaghy going for the point when he was 5cm from goal, seems to be the option alot of players take now whereas in years gone by players just seemed to have more of a killer instinct and went for the onion bag when they were given a sniff.
There are lots of things that crop up game after game every year that never seem to have action put in place to address them. The like of the injury time issue. Why is it that referees indicate a period of injury time, yet in most cases the injury time is taken up with stoppages and this is not subsequently added on to the remaining playing time - its about time that something was done about this. The other thing goes back to Kieran Donaghy's incident when he was preventing the Dub from hitting the free. This sort of behaviour should be clamped down on, as it always seems to be the player/team who have won a free that end up being penalised as someone like Donaghy comes in and pushes thems or stands in their face and they simply try and get into position to hit the free that was awarded to them - referees should come down more on the offenders here and the same should be applied to those who don't release the ball when a free is given against them, as this usually starts a mini royal rumble which results in the original victim being penalised.
I wonder how many of this Kerry team are finished after yesterday, alot of players are pushing on in years.
Great quote in the IT
"It's coming to me," said Dublin's Bernard Brogan, whose father had played in that 1976 match.
"I couldn't believe it after the game. I didn't know where I was and I had to ask someone who scored the last point. The emotion took over and I couldn't understand what had happened. It is an unbelievable feeling."
Shamrock rovers is great and all but the GAA is in a different space altogether
Hi Gold, Connolly was born and raised in Leitrim, played U 14 with them. Moved to Dublin at 16 and threw his lot in with the Dubs. Colm O Rourke did same with Meath. I think Connolly got a small farm near Ballsbridge.
Well done Dubs, a fine win in difficult circumstances - one to be proud of and enjoy.
A fascinating match for the neutral - wonderful defensive play by both sides, nice patient build-up play by both sides, great intensity for spells by both sides and some lovely score-taking. Both sides had periods of almost complete dominance. And then the match hinged on a small number of mistakes (in my opinion): (1) poor possession play by Kerry in the midfield area (allied with the defense being out of position, when the ball was lost), (2) poor refereeing that allowed Brennan to stay on the field twice for two individual red-card offenses, and (3) Kerry taking off Brosnan at the time when they needed him most.
Nolan and Donaghy's points late in the game were just wonderful, wonderful scores. For what someone earlier said was a poor midfield display, MOTM for me was between Sheehan and MacAuley, with a strong mention for Darren O'Sullivan.
Fair play to the Dubs. Congrats to heffo, INDIANA, Canalman and the rest. Dublin were the better team for about 55-60 mins of that game and not many teams would have been able to come from 4 down with 7 mins left against Kerry. How many times have we seen Kerry in that position run out winners by 7 or 8 in that position?? Dubs were deserved winners, no question.
In terms of skills, play etc I didn't think it was a classic, but in terms of excitement, intensity, entertainment you couldn't take your eyes off it. Two great goals, some great tackling and great defensive play by both teams.
No-one who's a GAA fan could begrudge Alan Brogan and Stephen Cluxton All Irelands.
Congrats again.
Quote from: ross4life on September 18, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
Sunday game MOTM Kevin Nolan & there Team of the Year
1. S.Cluxton (Dublin)
2. M. Ó Sé (Kerry)
3. N. McGee (Donegal)
4. R. O'Carroll (Dublin)
5. K. Cassidy (Donegal)
6. K. Lacey (Donegal)
7. K. Nolan (Dublin)
8. B. Sheehan (Kerry)
9. J. Doyle (Kildare)
10. Darren O'Sullivan (Kerry)
11. A. Brogan (Dublin)
12. P. Flynn (Dublin)
13. C. Cooper (Kerry)
14. A. Moran (Mayo)
15. B. Brogan (Dublin)
funny seeing Donegal taking 50% of the defenders spots when each defender had @ least one forward back helping them out :o
roll on the McKenna Cup
Congrats to the Dubs top o the morning and top of the world no doubt. Fantastic spectacle similar frenzied finish to 2008 ai with more drama. Dubs deserved it because they went for it more than Kerry who sat on it in the last 10. Gaelic Football has now become an intriguing defensive and attacking game with savage intensity and I think yesterday highlighted that well, and once again exposed Pat Spillanes rants about the state of Gaelic Football as hogwash. Heartbreaking for Kerry but they dont do defensive well and I think that might be the last of them for a generation. A fantastic team over the last 10 years - possibly the second greatest team of all time, but their numbers up. Tyrone would have beaten Kerry yesterday but wouldnt have been fit to handle Dublin, who were the best team by a long distance this year in Ireland. By God they took some tough luck over the years to make yesterday a reality. To me Cluxton stood up yesterday and showed himself as the soul and leader of the team. Congrats and enjoy.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on September 19, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
Hi Gold, Connolly was born and raised in Leitrim, played U 14 with them. Moved to Dublin at 16 and threw his lot in with the Dubs. Colm O Rourke did same with Meath. I think Connolly got a small farm near Ballsbridge.
Unless Glasnevin is a principality of Leitrim, don't know why he was wearing it. Now if he'd been wearing a Kilkenny top I could understand that.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on September 19, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
Hi Gold, Connolly was born and raised in Leitrim, played U 14 with them. Moved to Dublin at 16 and threw his lot in with the Dubs. Colm O Rourke did same with Meath. I think Connolly got a small farm near Ballsbridge.
Not sure about him playing u-14 with Leitrim but his Dad was from Leitrim and his bro plays hurling with Leitrim (so obviously it was only a matter of time until an all-ireland medal came into the house!)
Just wanted to mention - While the ref had a poor enough game, his decisions evened up over the duration of the match.
What had me very annoyed at times was the diving antics of darran osullivan. Every time he was touched, his two legs straightened and he hit the deck as if poleaxed. One dublin player did this also though I cant remember who it was, but O'Sullivan was a disgrace imo.
I have yet to watch the game a second time to confirm this, but that was my initial reaction.
A good example of where a ref can sort out messing going on - Aidan O'Mahoney was acting the mick for a while in the first half, pushing, hitting pulling players etc - but the ref eventually booked him for something harmless but for me this was the ref sending out a message to him to stop his messing and persistent fouling. It worked.
Thats how to deal with any of this kind of ould craic in a game, and for that well done to the ref.
Enjoyed the match yesterday - but was not surprised to hear spillane et al refuse to criticise Kerry for their Donegal esque tactics of having one man in the Dublin half of the field multiple times and alaso that they worked the bal up to Dublins 45 metre line and then played the ball backwards into their own defence. I recall Donegal getting lambasted for that !
Dublin were also defensive but again no criticism.
Dublin deserved their win and for a while I thought they might let it slip. Thankfully not.
my pre game prediction of them holding the kerry attack and winning by a point maybe two proved correct.
Couldnt believe all the papers and build up citing previous years stats and games earlier this season pointing to a Kerry win. Not when Kerry only played one meaningful game all year and that was against a cork side that were only interested in the second half.
Well done Dublin.......but u will never be forgiven for 95 final. Will be a sweet day this time next yr when we take sam off ur good selves in style.
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2011, 09:25:14 AM
Great quote in the IT
"It's coming to me," said Dublin's Bernard Brogan, whose father had played in that 1976 match.
"I couldn't believe it after the game. I didn't know where I was and I had to ask someone who scored the last point. The emotion took over and I couldn't understand what had happened. It is an unbelievable feeling."
Shamrock rovers is great and all but the GAA is in a different space altogether
Bernard Brogan also claimed that he stayed in the "centre circle" and just didnt want to leave the pitch. Obviously his mind was on something else.
Kerry did just what Donegal did and paid the same price. Why oh why did they insist on handpassing sideways and backways instead of getting the ball into Donaghy and Cooper ?
And whats more its nothing new. 29 years ago they were 4 points up on Offaly and on the verge of history when they fell back inviting Offaly on to them. Points from questionable frees and a late goal undo them again.
I'm afraid that any team that ever tries to defend again is going to be 'doing a Donegal'. Any crossfield pass, backwards free, or successful quick kick-out by the opposition will be used a justification, by comparison, for Donegal's tactics.
People love arguing in extremis but at no stage yesterday did I see 13 men retreat into their own half for an opposition kickout. I saw both teams compete for kickouts and both teams fight for breaking ball, something Donegal conceded. Dublin, in particular, attacked at pace and in numbers something Donegal supporters didn't see this year.
Both teams fielded what we would recognise as relatively orthodox defensive systems while even Donegal cheerleaders on here admitted to being intrigued and fascinated by Donegal's system. One would have to presume that they found it different in some way.
There are some who admire Donegal's tactics, fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But please don't tell us that every team that defends is somehow justifying Donegal's tactics.
Is refusing to attack when you have posession of the ball the same thing as defending ??
I wouldnt have any problem with any defensive tactics when th eopposition has the ball provided you have the courage to use the ball when you have posession of it.
Strange argument muppet. Just as it isnt anything thats peculiar to Donegal, despite what the Nualas argue, a team can freeze and become coservative and not get the ball in. Donegal did it in the semi and Kerry did it in the final. Same result. Dublin the braver team with more composure going forward won. Because Pat Spillane promotes lazy analysis which does influence the mindset of even the most sensible watcher Im gonna leave this game with this thought... "Kerry dont win tight ai finals." where the opposition work hard and dont bow down. Discuss..
Open to correction but Diarmuid Connolly's dad is from Kilkenny, teaches in Ard Scoil Ris on Griffith Avenue (hell of a commute from Leitrim) and played football for them.
I suppose we won't get answer to this until the Dublin contingent surface.
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2011, 11:06:39 AM
Strange argument muppet. Just as it isnt anything thats peculiar to Donegal, despite what the Nualas argue, a team can freeze and become coservative and not get the ball in. Donegal did it in the semi and Kerry did it in the final. Same result. Dublin the braver team with more composure going forward won. Because Pat Spillane promotes lazy analysis which does influence the mindset of even the most sensible watcher Im gonna leave this game with this thought... "Kerry dont win tight ai finals." where the opposition work hard and dont bow down. Discuss..
That is the point. Any team can find themselves playing negatively due to circumstances, freezing as you put it is one example, one or two players losing the heads, we have all seen it on the field.
However retreating 13 players into your half for an opposition kickout and conceding possession, is obviously a strategy, not something that evolved on the day.
Was a cracking finish, and great to see Dublin lift it.
After brennans dig, O Sullivan wasnt at the races, gave ball away for goal, and despite getting back was too f**ked to put in tackle. McManaman took about 9 steps for the goal - ref favoured Dublin overall I thought. Cant imagine it'd be easy to have blown it, given that the ball would have been in the net before most would have heard the whistle, and I know there are often overcarrying incidents, but there were no mitigating circumstances here (man hanging off him etc).
Kerry haven't now beaten a team from Ulster or Leinster in an All-Ireland final since 1986.
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2011, 10:05:13 AM
Kerry but they dont do defensive well and I think that might be the last of them for a generation.
Wishful thinking there me boy.
Them wounded " worst kind of effin animals " will be back upsetting a lot of us mere mortals in a year or two again. :'(
A Kerry win in 2012 would end a 3-year famine.
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 19, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Open to correction but Diarmuid Connolly's dad is from Kilkenny, teaches in Ard Scoil Ris on Griffith Avenue (hell of a commute from Leitrim) and played football for them.
I suppose we won't get answer to this until the Dublin contingent surface.
Diarmuid's dad is very much a Kilkenny man. Yes he's a teacher as well. His mother is from Kerry I believe. He was no relations in Leitrim. Diarmuid was born in Dublin.
His brother played for Leitrim because those counties can have 3-4 players from other counties playing for them. Vincents had 3 players who played for leitrim at hurling but dont have any anymore.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 19, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
A Kerry win in 2012 would end a 3-year famine.
I can see the replay montage of defeats to Down and Dublin already, complete with voice over from Jacko describing the hurt a Kerry person feels when they loose a match.....oh and he'd be sipping tea by the Lakes of Killarney as well obviously.....
Thanks for the congrats fellas. Just an incredible day. Commiserations to the Kerry fans here.
Hard to put into words yet. Worst hangover of my life but well worth it.
We were lucky to a degree. Kerry had the game won and they handed it to us. But I think sheer willpower got us over the line. We couldn't afford to lose yesterday again.
People have no idea what this will do for GAA in general and especially in Dublin. I know people aren't our biggest fans at times but the capital city needs to winning these now and again to keep GAA in the spotlight.
The great thing is at least 15 other counties could replicate Dublin. Dublin have very few superstars playing for them. Just sheer effort got us 90% of the way.
How did they decide on Merrion Square for the homecoming? Was never mentioned in passing.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
People have no idea what this will do for GAA in general and especially in Dublin. I know people aren't our biggest fans at times but the capital city needs to winning these now and again to keep GAA in the spotlight.
I'm relishing the pain that the Hot Press brigade must be feeling as the culchies (as they would see GAA types) take over 'their' city tonight. Take Sam down every lane and alley! ;D
Listen ya eejits, Kerry were 4 points up and tried to hold onto possession to frustrate Dublin and close out the match. That is not "negative" mass defence. It is something that comes from experience and many of the best teams in a range of sports do it. What happened is that Kerry made an error in a pass got turned over and a brilliant goal was scored. This injected Dublin with some extra life and the rest we know. If Kerry had not made that mistake we all know they would have won and people on here would be going on about how professional they were to run down the clock. It was a fantastic game and I'm just glad Donegal weren't there to spoil it.
Will the Meath men ion here admit that Cluxtons celebrations supercede Kevin Foleys as the best celebrations ever witnessed on a Gaelic Field?
Some way to win a game! Real snatch and grab stuff. Brilliant for the dubs and the neutrals. Totally devasting for Kerry as they had it sown up and were 'coasting' in the words of Marc O'Se.
My one reservation is that this now sends a signal to about ten other counties. Pack 10-12 men in defence and you're in with a chance. That's not taking away from Dublin who can also attack at lighting speed with good kick passes. Just the way the game is going. Kerry ain't much different to be honest. Anyway, that's for another discussion.
Congrats to Tipp minors as well. Nice to see well conceived plans at underage paying off. Here's hoping they continue it through into u21 and senior. I think they will. Kerry might have two teams to play in Munster then.
I heard coppers was still rocking this morning with Damien Dempsey leading the charge. Sounds like deadly craic!
Tell Screen- the monkeys are doing fine. I imagine it will be quite some time before he re-surfaces.
Good to see Dublin winning it. Unreal fitness levels. Dublin were 12.5 on betfair just before the goal.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 29, 2011, 02:11:58 AM
Will Dublin's usual referee, Joe McQuillan, get the final now?
I hope Dublin win. Getting a bit boring Kerry there all the time!
I posted this before referee was named. He does seem to get a lot of Dublin games but did not think he was too bad yesterday. Well doe the Dubs.
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2011, 01:26:08 PM
Will the Meath men ion here admit that Cluxtons celebrations supercede Kevin Foleys as the best celebrations ever witnessed on a Gaelic Field?
Commendable and close, but not quite. I detected a trace of levity in his step as he returned to his goal. Foley never lightened his leaden tread or let the scowl leave his chops.
He has, however, outdone Kevin on one score - he has given one less media interview. The approximate content of Foley's one and only encounter with the press, conducted in his pelt in the dressing room after that goal:
Journalist - How does this goal compare with other scores you've got, Kevin?
Kevin - I don't know, Paddy. I never scored before.
Paddy - Well, even compared to scoring at club level.
Kevin - I told you, Paddy. I never scored before. You're standin on me towel.
Most incredible Dublin game I've ever been at. The Hill was phenominal yesterday. Last 10 mins just a blur.
One thing I would say though to those saying Kerry gave it away. They absolutely did not!!! Dublin took it - won the match by playing the full 70+ mins with massive heart and determination and composure and skills and a bloody minded belief in themselves.
No one should doubt the Dublin team!!!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 19, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
Listen ya eejits, Kerry were 4 points up and tried to hold onto possession to frustrate Dublin and close out the match. That is not "negative" mass defence. It is something that comes from experience and many of the best teams in a range of sports do it. What happened is that Kerry made an error in a pass got turned over and a brilliant goal was scored. This injected Dublin with some extra life and the rest we know. If Kerry had not made that mistake we all know they would have won and people on here would be going on about how professional they were to run down the clock. It was a fantastic game and I'm just glad Donegal weren't there to spoil it.
Listen ya eejit Gaelic Football is not soccer. Ya cant close out a game with a 4 point lead by backpassing with 10 minutes on the clock. There is a much higher possibilty of losing posession in Football. It is a flawed approach, even in soccer never mind football. And if you have guys like Donaghy and Cooper in your forwards what Kerry did actually amounts to a cowardly approach, which Dublin were good enough to take advantage of.
Cowardly Kerry, never thought I'd say that.
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2011, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2011, 01:26:08 PM
Will the Meath men ion here admit that Cluxtons celebrations supercede Kevin Foleys as the best celebrations ever witnessed on a Gaelic Field?
Commendable and close, but not quite. I detected a trace of levity in his step as he returned to his goal. Foley never lightened his leaden tread or let the scowl leave his chops.
He has, however, outdone Kevin on one score - he has given one less media interview. The approximate content of Foley's one and only encounter with the press, conducted in his pelt in the dressing room after that goal:
Journalist - How does this goal compare with other scores you've got, Kevin?
Kevin - I don't know, Paddy. I never scored before.
Paddy - Well, even compared to scoring at club level.
Kevin - I told you, Paddy. I never scored before. You're standin on me towel.
LMFAO!!! (I really mean that) :D :D :D :D :D
Tomás Ó Sé shows his class
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18 September 2011; Tomás Ó Sé, Kerry, offers the match ball to Stephen Cluxton, Dublin. GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Final, Kerry v Dublin, Croke Park, Dublin. Picture credit: Dáire Brennan / SPORTSFILE
To Heffo, Hound, Indiana, Canalman and all the other decent Dubs here, congrats on a great win for the capital. Just watched a replay now and we made some basic errors that ye captilised on are deserving winners this year, Dublin have been bangin on the door for a good few years now and it will be good for the GAA in Dublin.
I hate losing but am not blaming the referee for his performance its wont change the result at this stage, we had the game but could not close it out. Well done to all involved in Dublin GAA
Quote from: spuds on September 19, 2011, 02:18:26 PM
Tomás Ó Sé shows his class
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18 September 2011; Tomás Ó Sé, Kerry, offers the match ball to Stephen Cluxton, Dublin. GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Final, Kerry v Dublin, Croke Park, Dublin. Picture credit: Dáire Brennan / SPORTSFILE
and Cluxton just kicked it away into the crowd
Quote from: Whishtup on September 18, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 18, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
The ref was a total disgrace today, shame on him
The only bit of sense on this board tonight. While I hope that the fans and players of Dublin have a ball tonight, they will never have Sam handed to them as easily in the future. I counted at least six pointed frees given to Dublin in the wrong today and two blatant Dublin sendings-off ignored by the ref. Spoilt the match for me as a spectacle and I commiserate totally with Kerry who were outstanding to overcome the psychological torture of one-sided refereeing and almost win the game. Had the game been martialled fairly, Kerry would have won well. I'd say the game was better to be at than watch on TV where the shocking decisions were hard to stomach.
I don't begrudge Dublin Sam this year for their efforts-I just can't forget several decisions that have went in their favour over the championship and, quite frankly, I'm losing interest in the sport due to the crap refereeing.
Delighted for the players and fans, though-they have had their fair share of heartache over the years and they bring a lot to the game.
Quit yapping, sure didnt the GAA hand Tyrone and wee peter an AI against us, sending a man of when being charged by a Tyrone man, the apology a week later softened the blow quite a bit however. :-\
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 19, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
To Heffo, Hound, Indiana, Canalman and all the other decent Dubs here, congrats on a great win for the capital. Just watched a replay now and we made some basic errors that ye captilised on are deserving winners this year, Dublin have been bangin on the door for a good few years now and it will be good for the GAA in Dublin.
I hate losing but am not blaming the referee for his performance its wont change the result at this stage, we had the game but could not close it out. Well done to all involved in Dublin GAA
Good man Mike, fair play.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 19, 2011, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 19, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
To Heffo, Hound, Indiana, Canalman and all the other decent Dubs here, congrats on a great win for the capital. Just watched a replay now and we made some basic errors that ye captilised on are deserving winners this year, Dublin have been bangin on the door for a good few years now and it will be good for the GAA in Dublin.
I hate losing but am not blaming the referee for his performance its wont change the result at this stage, we had the game but could not close it out. Well done to all involved in Dublin GAA
Good man Mike, fair play.
Wouldn't expect any less.
Edit. Janey, just read that comment back again and it looked fairly sharp. What I meant was I'm not surprised that KM is as gracious in defeat, just like most of his countymen and women.
Is it true the Dublin players are still in Coppers? Quality!!!
Anyhow I think the match hinged on one tackle - If O'Sullivan had of made any sort of decent challenge on McManamon for his goal then he wouldn't have scored the goal and Kerry would have won!
To make a token tackle a that stage of an all ireland final is shocking!!!
Congrats to the jacks anyway. First all ireland since you broke my heart as a child in '95 - i'll not even get into that old ground!!! ;D
Well done Dublin, delighted to see the win, really like Gilroy (for no apparent reason) and it was clear what he was trying to achieve long before it came to fruition yesterday. I'd say at the minute Dublin are a Dara O'Se/ Paul McGrane type quality midfielder away from being a very very dominant force.
Interesting to hear Spillane trotting out the miles in the legs/going to the well quotables last night again, the same was said last year and the year before. I've said it a few times along the way, but I really dont think Kerry have improved in any area of the field over the past few years, an amazingly talented forward line (well of 4 forwards and 2 filler) has been carrying them and it's a testament to them that they've brought them this close again.
Sure it's been mentioned already but kudos to Joe Brolly for nailing the fawning sentimental shite yesterday pre-game (about Spillane comparing young New Zealanders wanting to be All-Blacks to young Kerry lads wanting to play in the Green and Gold). :)
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 19, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Anyhow I think the match hinged on one tackle - If O'Sullivan had of made any sort of decent challenge on McManamon for his goal then he wouldn't have scored the goal and Kerry would have won!
To make a token tackle a that stage of an all ireland final is shocking!!!
You eejit - he was out on his feet, after taking the rap from Brennan he wasnt the same, he gave away the ball in mf and sprinted as hard as he could to get back to make amendsl, but by the time he got there he was f**ked. He actually did do some good though, he forced McManamon into carrying it twice the allowed number of steps, which he should have been blown for. Just saying like...
Also, Kerry lost becuase they gave away a bad ball in midfield. They were keeping posession, they werent playing defensively. They were still looking to go forward, just not rushing it against a packed dublin defence. Michael Dara McAuley was immense btw I thought
Quote from: haranguerer on September 19, 2011, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 19, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Anyhow I think the match hinged on one tackle - If O'Sullivan had of made any sort of decent challenge on McManamon for his goal then he wouldn't have scored the goal and Kerry would have won!
To make a token tackle a that stage of an all ireland final is shocking!!!
You eejit - he was out on his feet, after taking the rap from Brennan he wasnt the same, he gave away the ball in mf and sprinted as hard as he could to get back to make amendsl, but by the time he got there he was f**ked. He actually did do some good though, he forced McManamon into carrying it twice the allowed number of steps, which he should have been blown for. Just saying like...
Also, Kerry lost becuase they gave away a bad ball in midfield. They were keeping posession, they werent playing defensively. They were still looking to go forward, just not rushing it against a packed dublin defence. Michael Dara McAuley was immense btw I thought
I have seen average club footballers in the same position and they have been able to pull down their opponent to prevent the goal - I wonder if it had of been in the first all ireland final o'sullivan played in would he have been able to do better than he did?
After all the crying we've had here this summer about cynical fouling, Declan O'Sullivan is now being castigated for not deliberately fouling McManaman to prevent him going through on goal? ???
Planes ,trains, automobiles, buses at 2am etc but it was worth it. Unbelievable stuff from the Dubs to win that - I'll never forget that last 7 minutes as long as I live - Croker was shaking - The sense of relief I have is incredible - It doesn't get any better than that - Can't even begin to analyse it but we got the breaks and took them - Delighted and cheers to all the very generous Kerry supporters and other lads who texted me etc for their kind comments. Much appreciated. Jaysus can't wait for the summer holidays now!!
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on September 19, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Is it true the Dublin players are still in Coppers? Quality!!!
Anyhow I think the match hinged on one tackle - If O'Sullivan had of made any sort of decent challenge on McManamon for his goal then he wouldn't have scored the goal and Kerry would have won!
To make a token tackle a that stage of an all ireland final is shocking!!!
Congrats to the jacks anyway. First all ireland since you broke my heart as a child in '95 - i'll not even get into that old ground!!! ;D
in the mansion house now. most of them never went to coppers last night. a couple went in at 4am and stayed till 10 this morning! theyve been to a load of pubs at this stage!
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
After all the crying we've had here this summer about cynical fouling, Declan O'Sullivan is now being castigated for not deliberately fouling McManaman to prevent him going through on goal? ???
There's quite the difference in the closing stages of an AI final with the game hanging in the balance and that torturous ingrained stuff you boys have going on.
Quote from: Tyrones own on September 19, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
After all the crying we've had here this summer about cynical fouling, Declan O'Sullivan is now being castigated for not deliberately fouling McManaman to prevent him going through on goal? ???
There's quite the difference in the closing stages of an AI final with the game hanging in the balance and that torturous ingrained stuff you boys have going on.
If Donegal are more guilty than other teams and as bad as you say, then boys such as yourself should have no problem backing up your claims with some statistics.
That aside, context has f**k all to do it. Either a dedliberate, cynical foul is acceptable or it isn't.
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
After all the crying we've had here this summer about cynical fouling, Declan O'Sullivan is now being castigated for not deliberately fouling McManaman to prevent him going through on goal? ???
100% right. Bryan Sheehan dived at Macauley and hauled him down as he was clean through and that's great play?! Fair enough it rewards his team but for all those preaching about the soul of our game being destroyed it robbed Dublin and everyone watching of a great goal chance, something that could have been the highlight of an All-Ireland final. Cynical in the extreme but not a word on it from Pat and the rest of them.
That incident almost proved the Kerry are purists argument by exception I thought. :D Only kidding, but did you ever, in your life, see a lad who looked as uncomfortable fouling as Sheehan that time :) He knew what he was trying to do, but hadn't a clue how he was going to do it. It looked liked a Laurel and Hardy sketch.
To be fair to Sheehan he had some year. Knew he had bags of ability but always thought he would be exposed at some stage and maybe wasn't tough enough for the middle but he got better with every game. Superb footballer.
Jaysus lads - mobile phone links to David Hickey(true legend) singing the Auld Triangle from city centre while working away - Tissues needed ;)
Can anybody post the Dubs subs as they were listed on the match programme yesterday to settle an oul argument between two eejits for me please? I dont know did it stop at 24 but the more that can be named the better, cheers!
sorry for asking but i never seen banquet or sunday game last night but who got the official man of the match award??
Quote from: belleaqua on September 19, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
Can anybody post the Dubs subs as they were listed on the match programme yesterday to settle an oul argument between two eejits for me please? I dont know did it stop at 24 but the more that can be named the better, cheers!
Heffo posted the subs the other day i guess it's correct
16. Michael Savage
17. Paul Conlon
18. Paul Casey
19. David Henry
20. Eoghan O'Gara
21. Philip McMahon
22. Tomas Quinn
23. Craig Dias
24. Kevin McMamanon
25. Eamonn Fennell
26. Ross McConnell
Quote from: bigfrank on September 19, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
sorry for asking but i never seen banquet or sunday game last night but who got the official man of the match award??
Kevin Nolan.
Quote from: ross4life on September 19, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on September 19, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
Can anybody post the Dubs subs as they were listed on the match programme yesterday to settle an oul argument between two eejits for me please? I dont know did it stop at 24 but the more that can be named the better, cheers!
Heffo posted the subs the other day i guess it's correct
16. Michael Savage
17. Paul Conlon
18. Paul Casey
19. David Henry
20. Eoghan O'Gara
21. Philip McMahon
22. Tomas Quinn
23. Craig Dias
24. Kevin McMamanon
25. Eamonn Fennell
26. Ross McConnell
Quote from: bigfrank on September 19, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
Cheers for that, was Declan Lally on the panel does of 30+ does anyone know?
Quote from: bigfrank on September 19, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
sorry for asking but i never seen banquet or sunday game last night but who got the official man of the match award??
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Fair play to the Dubs. I didn't think they had it in them this year.
I'm delighted for the players and management. They have been through enough pain and they deserved the win.
I really hope Mayo are going in the same direction as Dublin. They have the players they just need to bring the best out in them.
Well done the Dubs. For all the years of pain Tyrone, Kerry & Cork have heaped on them an AI is the least they deserve.
Without a doubt the intensity that Gilroy has brought to them will now half as they've won a Sam. Expect little from them in 2012 but once reality strikes possibly another tilt come 2013 or 2014.
Would just like to congradulate the Dubs on yesterdays performance . I thought the team and their supporters were a credit to themselves . Such a belief Gilroy has instilled into them and all the crew have bought into the idea . Would of liked to see Kerry win it to see the Gooch lift it as captain but was delighted to see the joy it took to the Dubs .
Between a great day at Croker and an Australian wake last night I'm only getting back to myself now.
Great occasion...maybe not the best game in the world but such drama.
Kerry had it in the bag with 7 minutes to go but basic errors and one or two dubious decisions by the ref let the Dubs back into it...
Cluxton has balls of steel and I'm delighted that the likes of him, Alan Brogan, Barry Cahill etc got their medal.
However I don't think we have seen the last of Cooper.
For what its worth I think Sheehan should get POTY but I'd imagine Cluxton or Ala B will get it on back of the Dublin hype.
Congrats to the dubs - always did like them and their supporters.
I thought Dublin had controlled most of the match, Kerry hit the patch that we all knew they would hit, Dublin hung in, got a break and clinically closed the match out. No fluke - and fully deserved.
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 19, 2011, 09:42:39 PM
Between a great day at Croker and an Australian wake last night I'm only getting back to myself now.
Great occasion...maybe not the best game in the world but such drama.
Kerry had it in the bag with 7 minutes to go but basic errors and one or two dubious decisions by the ref let the Dubs back into it...
Cluxton has balls of steel and I'm delighted that the likes of him, Alan Brogan, Barry Cahill etc got their medal.
However I don't think we have seen the last of Cooper.
For what its worth I think Sheehan should get POTY but I'd imagine Cluxton or Ala B will get it on back of the Dublin hype.
Has someone hinted he was going to retire?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2011, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 19, 2011, 09:42:39 PM
Between a great day at Croker and an Australian wake last night I'm only getting back to myself now.
Great occasion...maybe not the best game in the world but such drama.
Kerry had it in the bag with 7 minutes to go but basic errors and one or two dubious decisions by the ref let the Dubs back into it...
Cluxton has balls of steel and I'm delighted that the likes of him, Alan Brogan, Barry Cahill etc got their medal.
However I don't think we have seen the last of Cooper.
For what its worth I think Sheehan should get POTY but I'd imagine Cluxton or Ala B will get it on back of the Dublin hype.
Has someone hinted he was going to retire?
No what I meant was he'll be back in Croke Park on AI Final day.
Congrats to the Dubs and all the Dublin lads on here. Great final and great championship.
The most consistant and best team throughout the campaign won.
Hopefully the hype will die down in a few months which will make living up here possible again!
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 19, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Open to correction but Diarmuid Connolly's dad is from Kilkenny, teaches in Ard Scoil Ris on Griffith Avenue (hell of a commute from Leitrim) and played football for them.
I suppose we won't get answer to this until the Dublin contingent surface.
Diarmaid Connolly won an All-Ireland U14 Feile with Dublin club St Vincents.
Quote from: ross4life on September 19, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: belleaqua on September 19, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
Can anybody post the Dubs subs as they were listed on the match programme yesterday to settle an oul argument between two eejits for me please? I dont know did it stop at 24 but the more that can be named the better, cheers!
Heffo posted the subs the other day i guess it's correct
16. Michael Savage
17. Paul Conlon
18. Paul Casey
19. David Henry
20. Eoghan O'Gara
21. Philip McMahon
22. Tomas Quinn
23. Craig Dias
24. Kevin McMamanon
25. Eamonn Fennell
26. Ross McConnell
Quote from: bigfrank on September 19, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
sorry for asking but i never seen banquet or sunday game last night but who got the official man of the match award??
Kevin Nolan.
Declan Lally and Sean Murray were also on the bench - dont know what numbers they wore. Could be more subs - lads as yet un-named too.
I'm starting to accept just about now that it wasn't all a dream. What a fantastic day! All those days of heartache in Croke Park over the last sixteen years wiped away in an unbelievable five minutes. For a Dub it was a day that, no matter how young you might be, will be burned in your memory till the day you die.
With all due regard to the disappointment that the great Kerry supporters must be feeling it was really gratifying to see the huge amount of spontaneous goodwill towards the Dublin team from all over the country after their win.
One final point, surely last Sunday finally closed the debate about allowing the absurd practice of invading the pitch after a big game. The team celebration after the match which lasted for at least twenty five minutes was a highlight of the day – both for the team and the spectators. How much better that was than to have a frantic mob charging up and down the field endangering both themselves and the players.
Well done Kerry and Dublin – the legend continues!
I'm just surfacing now after a hard couple of days!.
Absolutely delighted - thanks for all the pm's.
Thoroughly enjoyed the celebrations in the stands and didn't feel the day was any lesser for a lack of a pitch invasion.
Quote from: heffo on September 20, 2011, 01:05:58 PM
I'm just surfacing now after a hard couple of days!.
Absolutely delighted - thanks for all the pm's.
Thoroughly enjoyed the celebrations in the stands and didn't feel the day was any lesser for a lack of a pitch invasion.
Where the hell did you go ? You must have been in very bad shape !
Will there be a GOAL challenge in Parnell Park ?.
Privilege to witness it, some performance, what a atmosphere, last 10 mins was pure heaven tbh, the whole of croke park had the hill 16 atmosphere, great emotion at the end, congrats to the dubs, the workrate of the dublin forwards without the ball was out of this world, they never let up,
Kerry lose 4 out of 8 all Irelands
That's incredible.
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2011, 01:57:32 PM
Kerry lose 4 out of 8 all Irelands
That's incredible.
Glass half empty kinda man? :P
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2011, 01:57:32 PM
Kerry lose 4 out of 8 all Irelands
That's incredible.
Mayo and Kerry both lose 4 All-Irelands in 15 years ;)
36 wins out of 126 years is very poor too come to think of it but we will struggle on..
Thanks for all the congratulations.
I have to pause the celebrations now for a while, but will be hitting it hard on Thursday for another long weekend. 3 All Irelands in my 30 years going to games, but that was the first win that I got a ticket for. And finally I have a day that surpassed Pairc Ui Chaoimh in 1983, when I well too young to even drink!
Really proud of the lads.
Hopefully there's no risk of Gilroy leaving, like O'Neill did the last time we won.
Actually I should also congradulate the Dubs. I had them rated all wrong & Cluxton is alot more important player than I gave him credit for.
Congrats to all the Dubs on here and more importantly to the team, they have paid there dues over the last 6/7 years and it was nice to see the likes of the Brogans, Cahill and Henry getting a Celtic Cross. They got the rub of the green from the ref on the day but they made the most of it. Kerry will be kicking themselves as they definitely through it away when 4 points up. Dec O'Sullivan was poor enough all day and will regret the pass that was intercepted for the goal, he didnt look comfortable to me from the start and probably should have been replaced after the knock from Brennan who was lucky enough to avoid a red card.
Sheehan has that lovely lazy kicking style you could watch all day and his point from play was only bettered by Donaghy's, who is growing more annoying with the passing of every year.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 19, 2011, 09:34:13 AM
Well done Dubs, a fine win in difficult circumstances - one to be proud of and enjoy.
A fascinating match for the neutral - wonderful defensive play by both sides, nice patient build-up play by both sides, great intensity for spells by both sides and some lovely score-taking. Both sides had periods of almost complete dominance. And then the match hinged on a small number of mistakes (in my opinion): (1) poor possession play by Kerry in the midfield area (allied with the defense being out of position, when the ball was lost), (2) poor refereeing that allowed Brennan to stay on the field twice for two individual red-card offenses, and (3) Kerry taking off Brosnan at the time when they needed him most.
Nolan and Donaghy's points late in the game were just wonderful, wonderful scores. For what someone earlier said was a poor midfield display, MOTM for me was between Sheehan and MacAuley, with a strong mention for Darren O'Sullivan.
Agree with all of that. Well done to the Dublin lads on here ...couldnt begrudge ye an All Ireland and have always found Dublin supporters to be a good humoured bunch.
I cant make Brennan out . In general I would be a fan of hard but fair CHB's and have liked Brennan as a footballer despite some stupid lashing out in his previous . I thought at that time Brennan taking out Declan was accidental but am told replays indicated otherwise. The incident with Star was just plain stupid and would have been unforgiveable for his teammates if ref had dealt with it correctly. While no-one can ever be entirely sure what goes through players heads it appears that for the third successive all Ireland players ( Kennelly 09, N O'Sullivan 10, Brennan 11) who set out to take an opponent out of the game have got way with it and gone onto win medals.
Was Brosnan injured when taken off or was Jack O Connor clearing the bench to give the boys medals on field of play ?
Regarding the Brennan - O'Sullivan incident. Can we stop complaining / analysing it. If you want to talk about, how about bringing in the fact that O'sullivan shouldn't have been on the field after he broke the half backs nose with his elbow in the first half.
BTW, don't believe that any of them should have been sent off, can we not have the same level of physicallity in football that we have in hurling.
Regarding Brennan's hand in the face. We should be analysing Donaghy's reaction. Worse than the Donegal reaction to Connelly in the semi.
Last point. Never really rated Darren O'Sullivan before. Yesterday I thought he was fantastic, and I would have given him the MOTM. In the first half when Kerry were under the cosh, he was brillant, and in the second half, when Kerry were turning the screw, I though that he was in the middle of a lot of Kerry's moves. Brillant performance from him, best play on view in my opinion.
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 20, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Regarding the Brennan - O'Sullivan incident. Can we stop complaining / analysing it. If you want to talk about, how about bringing in the fact that O'sullivan shouldn't have been on the field after he broke the half backs nose with his elbow in the first half.
BTW, don't believe that any of them should have been sent off, can we not have the same level of physicallity in football that we have in hurling.
Regarding Brennan's hand in the face. We should be analysing Donaghy's reaction. Worse than the Donegal reaction to Connelly in the semi.
Last point. Never really rated Darren O'Sullivan before. Yesterday I thought he was fantastic, and I would have given him the MOTM. In the first half when Kerry were under the cosh, he was brillant, and in the second half, when Kerry were turning the screw, I though that he was in the middle of a lot of Kerry's moves. Brillant performance from him, best play on view in my opinion.
Sorry you can't citicise Donaghy for play acting and then praise Darren O'Sullivan without mentioning his ability to go to ground under the slightest contact... ???
Dinny
Agreed (Sullivan going to ground) but I always view this differently than purposly trying to get someone sent off with the "shoot by the sniper dive" a la Donaghy.
The dark arts of forward play (under pressure and a defender throws in a lazy hand, down you go), must be considered with the dark arts of defending (half fouling everytime to slow down the forward). Both cancel each other out.
So I agree that both things are unslightly, but one is part of the game (winning fouls) the other belongs to another sport.
Christ, the ref in the hurling game took a bigger slap than Donaghy and stayed on his feet
Fair enough, just felt O'Sullivan's gamesmanship needed highlighting as well, indeed football referees need to learn from their hurling counterparts...
Brennan's hit on O'Sullivan looked worse than it was (and, as always, worse again in slow motion, which is a very unfair tool used in this context). Nobody is making allowance for the fact that O'Sullivan fell into the hit and otherwise would have received a full frontal hit to the chest rather than the head. Calls for a red card are a bit on the hysterical side.
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
Brennan's hit on O'Sullivan looked worse than it was (and, as always, worse again in slow motion, which is a very unfair tool used in this context). Nobody is making allowance for the fact that O'Sullivan fell into the hit and otherwise would have received a full frontal hit to the chest rather than the head. Calls for a red card are a bit on the hysterical side.
Not to mention a bit on the late side...
Dont know how anyone could 'not really rate' Darren O Sullivan prior to the final - hes absolutely top class and has consistently showed it btw
haranguerer
I always thought that he was good. but yesterday I thought he was great. On hindsight, wrong choice of words in my original post.
Previously, I never liked his head down running style, running into trouble alot (especially in the big games). I didn't see much of that yesrterday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8)
What it means to the Dubs
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
Brennan's hit on O'Sullivan looked worse than it was (and, as always, worse again in slow motion, which is a very unfair tool used in this context). Nobody is making allowance for the fact that O'Sullivan fell into the hit and otherwise would have received a full frontal hit to the chest rather than the head. Calls for a red card are a bit on the hysterical side.
Not to mention a bit on the late side...
Dont know how anyone could 'not really rate' Darren O Sullivan prior to the final - hes absolutely top class and has consistently showed it btw
In fairness there did seem to be a bit of the headless chicken about him for a few years although no doubt that he's really come into his own recently. Lost count of the amount of goal chances he either scored or created this year with just a sudden injection of pace. He's obviously learned to time his runs to perfection. Just hangs back waiting for the handpass into space and he's gone like a rat up a drainpipe.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 20, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Regarding the Brennan - O'Sullivan incident. Can we stop complaining / analysing it. If you want to talk about, how about bringing in the fact that O'sullivan shouldn't have been on the field after he broke the half backs nose with his elbow in the first half.
BTW, don't believe that any of them should have been sent off, can we not have the same level of physicallity in football that we have in hurling.
Regarding Brennan's hand in the face. We should be analysing Donaghy's reaction. Worse than the Donegal reaction to Connelly in the semi.
Last point. Never really rated Darren O'Sullivan before. Yesterday I thought he was fantastic, and I would have given him the MOTM. In the first half when Kerry were under the cosh, he was brillant, and in the second half, when Kerry were turning the screw, I though that he was in the middle of a lot of Kerry's moves. Brillant performance from him, best play on view in my opinion.
Sorry you can't citicise Donaghy for play acting and then praise Darren O'Sullivan without mentioning his ability to go to ground under the slightest contact... ???
Have to agree with you Dinny, O Sullivan is a brilliant player who must terrify half & full back lines, but I'm afraid I have to say his tendancy to dive is becoming more & more frequent and this was very much in evidence the last day.
Quote from: Declan on September 20, 2011, 05:25:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8)
What it means to the Dubs
Deadly stuff!
Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.
QuoteBrennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan
Is that the one he got in the head? I thought he fell into Brennan and Brennan could have only avoided that would be if could cut off his legs.
Thought he was gone when he cuffed Donaghy.
Quote from: Declan on September 20, 2011, 05:25:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_PJP6N4F8)
What it means to the Dubs
Great clip, somehow forgot to mention you in my list of Dub congratulees, so congrats!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 20, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.
No more so then Donaghy who tried to get Brennan sent off in the last minute
Some great clips on YouTube of Cluxton's free.
Liked this one for the angle - shows how nonchalant it was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrErPSCqINA&feature=related
Fair play to the Dubs on here...delighted to see you get over the line, fitting also that Cluxton
kicked the winner, class act!!
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game. Are they suddenly mind readers? We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.
Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year. He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game. Are they suddenly mind readers? We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.
Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year. He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.
We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game. Are they suddenly mind readers? We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.
Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year. He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.
We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 21, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game. Are they suddenly mind readers? We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.
Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year. He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.
We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.
You finished what I was too lazy to complete.
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 21, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game. Are they suddenly mind readers? We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.
Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year. He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.
We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.
You finished what I was too lazy to complete.
Thats definitly a first,,, ;)
this is a great video from non shaky neutral perpective, unreal, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uDyEUA23w&feature=related
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
Some great clips on YouTube of Cluxton's free.
Liked this one for the angle - shows how nonchalant it was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrErPSCqINA&feature=related
I love that one.
A beautiful strike of the ball.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
Some great clips on YouTube of Cluxton's free.
Liked this one for the angle - shows how nonchalant it was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrErPSCqINA&feature=related
I love that one.
A beautiful strike of the ball.
a fantastic angle, and its a brilliant piece, you can feel the passion
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2011, 12:26:39 AM
Some great clips on YouTube of Cluxton's free.
Liked this one for the angle - shows how nonchalant it was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrErPSCqINA&feature=related
I love that one.
A beautiful strike of the ball.
On that angle at 5 seconds it looks like the jumping Donaghy nearly gets his hands on the ball. Would put it up if knew how to copy the still page.
Which is illegal I think. Imagine if he blocked it, and the ball was moved forward 13 metres! There'd have been war.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
Which is illegal I think. Imagine if he blocked it, and the ball was moved forward 13 metres! There'd have been war.
Definitely illegal, you cannot jump and not sure but not allowed wave hands either.
If O'Sullivan is so much more than a one trick pony then his scoring returns definitely do not back that up. In 2004 he was well contained but the main man back then for Kerry was Paul O'Connor.
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
Which is illegal I think. Imagine if he blocked it, and the ball was moved forward 13 metres! There'd have been war.
Definitely illegal, you cannot jump and not sure but not allowed wave hands either.
As far as I can remember you can stand with your hands extended, but cannot jump or wave them around. Maybe because you look stupid.
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 20, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
Dinny
Agreed (Sullivan going to ground) but I always view this differently than purposly trying to get someone sent off with the "shoot by the sniper dive" a la Donaghy.
The dark arts of forward play (under pressure and a defender throws in a lazy hand, down you go), must be considered with the dark arts of defending (half fouling everytime to slow down the forward). Both cancel each other out.
So I agree that both things are unslightly, but one is part of the game (winning fouls) the other belongs to another sport.
Christ, the ref in the hurling game took a bigger slap than Donaghy and stayed on his feet
I'd agree with Dinny here - O'Sullivan and any player that dives or dives with minimal contact in order to win a free - I despise.
Same for lads that get a tap and feign being poleaxed.
I am not having a go at Kerry football as in general most of them stay on their feet. However there were a few too many such incidents on Sunday and its always mentioned on here that this kind of carp is creeping into Gaelic football (even hurling now - with that tipp half back maher swan diving in the AI semi and AI final).
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
It's a strange rule that. If you are the sufficient distance away, you should be allowed to do the buckin' riverdance if you want. I mean, if you are 30 yards away you are allowed to jump and block the ball.
Is there anything in the rules to stop a lad standing on your shoulders I wonder?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
Which is illegal I think. Imagine if he blocked it, and the ball was moved forward 13 metres! There'd have been war.
Definitely illegal, you cannot jump and not sure but not allowed wave hands either.
As far as I can remember you can stand with your hands extended, but cannot jump or wave them around. Maybe because you look stupid.
But you are allowed to stand 5 yards behind him and scream at the top of your voice "watch it off the post lads, he's gonna miss, he's gonna f**king miss" just as he is making his run up;D
There were 4 Kerry lads slowly descending on him there - did well to ignore them, I'm sure they had a few words to say!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
It's a strange rule that. If you are the sufficient distance away, you should be allowed to do the buckin' riverdance if you want. I mean, if you are 30 yards away you are allowed to jump and block the ball.
Is there anything in the rules to stop a lad standing on your shoulders I wonder?
You could build a human pyramid on the goal line for a 14 yard free.
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2011, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
It's a strange rule that. If you are the sufficient distance away, you should be allowed to do the buckin' riverdance if you want. I mean, if you are 30 yards away you are allowed to jump and block the ball.
Is there anything in the rules to stop a lad standing on your shoulders I wonder?
You could build a human pyramid on the goal line for a 14 yard free.
I remember reading (glancing maybe cause I recall very little of it) in a match programme one time about a game back in the day where a few lads climbed up on the cross bar to stop a free. Later in the game the opposition tried the same thing and the ref wouldn't let them. There after there was a rule introduced to stop this from happening.
Another strange rule was the outlawing of the foot pass, thankfully everyone but donegal turns a blind eye to that one.
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2011, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
It's a strange rule that. If you are the sufficient distance away, you should be allowed to do the buckin' riverdance if you want. I mean, if you are 30 yards away you are allowed to jump and block the ball.
Is there anything in the rules to stop a lad standing on your shoulders I wonder?
You could build a human pyramid on the goal line for a 14 yard free.
Don't be giving Jim McGuinness ideas :D
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 21, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
Good article by D O'Se in Irish Times in which he blames the experienced players on losing the lead and the game before blaming O'Connor for poor work on the sideline. he was almost at the stage of telephoning a selector to get Donaghy back to midfield.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0921/1224304482647.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0921/1224304482647.html)
Good article. I would agree with a lot but wouldn't agree Marc O'Se bossed Brogan. Brogan got a few scores when it counted. 100% on Eoin Brosnan and Donaghy.
Not much has been made of Kerry retracting everyone bar Donaghy behind the 45 in the second half for reasonably long periods either. Didn't quite get that.
Darren O'Sullivan is, to my mind, a great guy for an impact sub. He's probably the paciest player in the game and would go at people with tired legs. In my mind that's a good place for him and McMenamim, while possibly deserving to start, is a perfect man for an impact sub and it's been a masterstroke by Gilroy to hold a man so direct until the opposition is tired.
Good article all right, he does criticise a few players but obviously the o se are off limits, i think that if your compromised you shouldnt write articles because you wont be honest though. He didnt sit on the fence totally though in fairness and i give him kudos for that.
It reminded me to a lesser extent of listening to newstalk tonight and alan kennedy talking about liverpool and he wouldnt name names and he wouldnt criticse any individual and he basically stuck up for kenny and carragher etc... totally biased becuase he does work for pool and is friends with kenny, i feel newstalk shouldnt waste there money for such an unobjectionable view.
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 20, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.
No more so then Donaghy who tried to get Brennan sent off in the last minute
I think Brennan did a good job at trying to get himself sent off. If I was A Dub I would have been furious with him. Suceeded in getting the ball hopped when Dubs had advantage ( and could have been worse) . I remember he got plenty of grief on here when sent off against Kildare in 09 . Slapped one of Meath boys in game before that year and got way with it too . He doesnt need to do it and isnt helping his team ...his game would be better if he cut it out.
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Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.
No more so then Donaghy who tried to get Brennan sent off in the last minute
I think Brennan did a good job at trying to get himself sent off. If I was A Dub I would have been furious with him. Suceeded in getting the ball hopped when Dubs had advantage ( and could have been worse) . I remember he got plenty of grief on here when sent off against Kildare in 09 . Slapped one of Meath boys in game before that year and got way with it too . He doesnt need to do it and isnt helping his team ...his game would be better if he cut it out.
If they lost he would have had to shoulder alot of the blame anyhow. Whatever about Donaghy's antics Brennan was lucky to stay on the field after the hit on Sullivan. Apart from that his tackling was reckless and clumsy.
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It's a strange rule that. If you are the sufficient distance away, you should be allowed to do the buckin' riverdance if you want. I mean, if you are 30 yards away you are allowed to jump and block the ball.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=19266.msg961423#msg961423
Quote1 mins 35 secs of injury time was used up by Dublin's freetaker, and he added only 15 secs the other way.
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A belated well done to Dublin, delighted for the lads who've been through the mill with them, what's rare is wonderful.
It was a very good final, great end to the inter county year and there's no better way to win a match than with a last minute point, fair play to Cluxton for nailing it. Thought the tactical battle was fascinating (well the bits u could make out on the telly anyway). Kerry taking Donaghy out in the first half and the Dubs putting Fitzsimons on Cooper. One of Kerry's main regrets will be not getting ball into Cooper in the first half, to go half an hour from your 1st point to your 2nd is unheard of in the Kingdom. A tactic that did work well for Kerry was the passing over and back on the 65 until a man was free inside on the 45 and was hit with accurate footpassing.
Kerry should have seen it out though and their experience and traditional coolness seemed to desert them in the last 10 mins. Dublin got the luck that has gone against them manys the time before. It was woeful defending for the goal but they managed to pull it together after that.
The refereeing was quite poor as well, McQuillan is one of the better ones out there but he got loads of decisions wrong. Least he wasn't as picky as Hughes in the minor. Not adding a minute on for Cluxton's wander up is unforgivable. I know he didn't want to be seen as the ref who played for a draw but fair is fair no matter what the perception.
It was some kick to win it too, especially after he missed one in a similar position in the first half. McMenamin though was again the game changer, couldn't happen to a nicer fella, dedicated to his football. Was in the vicinity of Merrion Sq on Mon and wandered along to the reception. As with these things it was a load of standing and waiting around till the team came out. McMenamin though stole the show with his, ahem, tune. :D
Time is rarely added on for stoppages within the added time at the end of a match. Of course it should be, but the practice is the same for everyone. Dublin were the wrong side of that in 2006 against Mayo, the right side of it on Sunday.
ok, the grace period is over. I think it is generally accepted that we were robbed.
Discuss...
No !
Ye got caught out effin about with the ball , not once but TWICE. Very unKerrylike.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2011, 09:19:45 AM
ok, the grace period is over. I think it is generally accepted that we were robbed.
Discuss...
Its also generally accepted that we have Sam and thats all that matters!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2011, 09:19:45 AM
ok, the grace period is over. I think it is generally accepted that we were robbed.
Discuss...
Despite it not being in your DNA there was far too much cynicism in your play. Discuss...
How come Collins the Connacht final referee turned over a free he gave Mayo two minutes into the second half. He felt the free taker O Connor was time wasting. Mayo were four points down there was 33 minutes left and a gale was blowing. TV 3 timed the next free, awarded to Roscommon. They took longer but no throw up.
Now either there is a rule that applies to every team as regards the length that can be taken for a free kick or Collins had it in for mayo. If the criteria applying to O Connor of Mayo by Collins then Cluxton should have had that last ball thrown up. By the way I didn't think Cluxton was time wasting but neither was O Connor.
Let's see, Kerry had the better of the first 10 minutes, and roughly 20 minutes in the middle of the second half. Dublin were much the better team in the rest of the game. On balance, deserved win for Dublin.
3 wins and a draw in the last 4 against Kerry tells its own tale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shl9WOUvKdA&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shl9WOUvKdA&feature=share)
This bandwagon is going to get very crowded....
FFS!!! I was actually happy for them for a while but please god never again
At least we had Usain Bolt in 2009 supporting Kerry :P
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 02, 2011, 03:55:32 PM
At least we had Usain Bolt in 2009 supporting Kerry :P
He's an awful mean hoor. Will support anyone if the price is right. Sure he was at the same craic last year with Tipp.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on October 01, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
How come Collins the Connacht final referee turned over a free he gave Mayo two minutes into the second half. He felt the free taker O Connor was time wasting. Mayo were four points down there was 33 minutes left and a gale was blowing. TV 3 timed the next free, awarded to Roscommon. They took longer but no throw up.
Now either there is a rule that applies to every team as regards the length that can be taken for a free kick or Collins had it in for mayo. If the criteria applying to O Connor of Mayo by Collins then Cluxton should have had that last ball thrown up. By the way I didn't think Cluxton was time wasting but neither was O Connor.
Nope he didn't have in for ye sure he gave you loads of soft frees during the game.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2011, 11:11:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shl9WOUvKdA&feature=share (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shl9WOUvKdA&feature=share)
This bandwagon is going to get very crowded....
Congrats to Vodafone on winning Sam Maguire.
If this was the States Sam Maguire would have been raised by whoever pays up, not any of the players.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/kerry-blues-2893173.html
In fairness - this Tom Corr boy from Killiney is some craic isn't he? :D :D (Mother of Jaysus there's one born everyday!!)
Whatever about the 2011 AI Final, the 1995 AI Final (between Dublin and Tyrone) was replayed yesterday in Dungannon in front of a large and appreciative crowd (Cian's 'Field of Dreams' charity fundraiser -- the opening of a new Thomas Clarke's training pitch).
Tír Eoghain prevailed on this occasion by two points, and whilst it would be unfair and somewhat churlish to rewrite the 1995 football annals on the basis of this single game alone, we have graciously combined the results of both 1995 and 2011 games... and we (still) win by a single point! ;)
It was an entertaining affair, with some players of that vintage in somewhat better shape than others; Paul Curran, Paul Clarke, Jim Gavin, Jayo & Pat Giroy for Dubs, and Ciarán Corr, Peter the Great, Sean Mc Laughlin, Ger Cavlan & Paul Devlin for ourselves, as examples of fit men in their forties. The bould Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh furnished us with a running (comical) commentary throughout, with no player escaping his scathing eye.
Fair dues to all (virtually all players and managements from both 95' squads were there), I'd imagine a good amount was raised -- all money raised went towards the NI Children's Hospice foundation, who were very supportive of young Cian (Corrigan) in the final months of his pitifully short life.
Good man Fear. Would anyone have a copy of either this years final or even that 1995 game? I need this years game live on RTE if possible , not the sunday game highlights. Who do ye think will get the MF allstars this year?