All-Ireland Senior Football final - Kerry v Dublin 18/09/2011

Started by Dinny Breen, August 22, 2011, 06:06:06 PM

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GalwayBayBoy

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Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 20, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
Brennan's hit on O'Sullivan looked worse than it was (and, as always, worse again in slow motion, which is a very unfair tool used in this context). Nobody is making allowance for the fact that O'Sullivan fell into the hit and otherwise would have received a full frontal hit to the chest rather than the head. Calls for a red card are a bit on the hysterical side.

Not to mention a bit on the late side...


Dont know how anyone could 'not really rate' Darren O Sullivan prior to the final - hes absolutely top class and has consistently showed it btw

In fairness there did seem to be a bit of the headless chicken about him for a few years although no doubt that he's really come into his own recently. Lost count of the amount of goal chances he either scored or created this year with just a sudden injection of pace. He's obviously learned to time his runs to perfection. Just hangs back waiting for the handpass into space and he's gone like a rat up a drainpipe.

nephinman

Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on September 20, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Regarding the Brennan - O'Sullivan incident. Can we stop complaining / analysing it. If you want to talk about, how about bringing in the fact that O'sullivan shouldn't have been on the field after he broke the half backs nose with his elbow in the first half.

BTW, don't believe that any of them should have been sent off, can we not have the same level of physicallity in football that we have in hurling.

Regarding Brennan's hand in the face. We should be analysing Donaghy's reaction. Worse than the Donegal reaction to Connelly in the semi.


Last point. Never really rated Darren O'Sullivan before. Yesterday I thought he was fantastic, and I would have given him the MOTM. In the first half when Kerry were under the cosh, he was brillant, and in the second half, when Kerry were turning the screw, I though that he was in the middle of a lot of Kerry's moves. Brillant performance from him, best play on view in my opinion.

Sorry you can't citicise Donaghy for play acting and then praise Darren O'Sullivan without mentioning his ability to go to ground under the slightest contact... ???

Have to agree with you Dinny, O Sullivan is a brilliant player who must terrify half & full back lines, but I'm afraid I have to say his tendancy to dive is becoming more & more frequent and this was very much in evidence the last day.


Ciarrai_thuaidh

Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.
"Better to die on your feet,than live on your knees"...

Denn Forever

QuoteBrennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan

Is that the one he got in the head?  I thought he fell into Brennan and Brennan could have only avoided that would be if could cut off his legs.

Thought he was gone when he cuffed Donaghy.
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means what he says...

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INDIANA

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 20, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
Still coming to terms with the weekend events....had a great night Sunday in Dublin to be fair and didn't watch the Sunday game or anything. Watched the game then last night...Good God talk about depression after it...had the game wrapped up really...horrible viewing.
could write an essay on the game but basically we handed the Dubs the initiative. Fair play to Cluxton for kicking that free without even a hint of nerves (he didn't take too long over it either) and to McMenamin for having huge impact again on the game...hard to begrudge the Dubs a win, having played up there I'd have to say there's a large proportion of the GAA community who are A1 up there....still sickening for us though.
I could go on about the ref and individual errors we made etc...but wouldn't be much point at this stage really. I will say that Brennan should certainly have got red for his filthy tackle on Declan...More benefit in focusing on 2012 and beyond for us though, hopefully apart from Brosnan and maybe Tom Sullivan we don't lose many..Kerry bench was very young on Sunday and most of them need to see game time from the start of next years league.

No more so then Donaghy who tried to get Brennan sent off in the last minute

ONeill

Some great clips on YouTube of Cluxton's free.

Liked this one for the angle - shows how nonchalant it was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrErPSCqINA&feature=related
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Tyrones own

Fair play to the Dubs on here...delighted to see you get over the line, fitting also that Cluxton
kicked the winner, class act!!
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  - Walter Lippmann

nrico2006

One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game.  Are they suddenly mind readers?  We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.

Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year.  He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene. 
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

spuds

Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game.  Are they suddenly mind readers?  We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.

Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year.  He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.

We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
"As I get older I notice the years less and the seasons more."
John Hubbard

SLIGONIAN

Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game.  Are they suddenly mind readers?  We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.

Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year.  He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.

We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.
"hard work will always beat talent if talent doesn't work"

spuds

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 21, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game.  Are they suddenly mind readers?  We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.

Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year.  He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.

We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.

You finished what I was too lazy to complete.
"As I get older I notice the years less and the seasons more."
John Hubbard

SLIGONIAN

Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 21, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: spuds on September 21, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
One thing that annoys me is the RTE commentators who always seem to make a comment along the lines of 'there was no malice in that' when an unsavoury incident takes place in a game.  Are they suddenly mind readers?  We can sit and discuss the Declan O'Sullivan incident all day, but it looks bad when viewed in slow motion and I don't know how it looked worse in slow motion, if anything you get to see the exact nature of the challenge and on that basis the Dublin player can count himself lucky to stay on the field - but it takes alot to get a red card in an All Ireland final, unless you are from Armagh.

Regarding Darren O'Sullivan, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not rated him before this year.  He has been consistently average over the past 5 or 6 years if anything since he came on the scene.

We are all entitled to our opinions but this bit in bold is so far off the radar it's funny. The Tyrone tactic in an AI minor final in 2004?? was to take him out systematically every time he got the ball before he got running. He is a lot more than a speed merchant, like all good footballers he has improved his game as he has matured to do less of the head down running. Compare him to the one trick pony that is Theo Walcott. To say that he has been average is IMO plain wrong.
He seems to have added better timing of his runs recently to more lethal effect as seen in the brilliant goal against Cork this year and his runs splitting the Mayo defence in semi final and his run for Cooper's goal in final.
Not too often do i agree with a mayoman, but its a +1 from me on this. O sullivan has been quality over the yrs and never really got the gametime he deserved, i think in yrs gone by kerry wanted to use him when teams were tired like dub and mcmenamin and maximise his advantage of pace in latter stages but this guy is so good they have had start him. This lad creates so much, win frees and his end product is there which from my experience players with pace usually dont a end product.

You finished what I was too lazy to complete.
Thats definitly a first,,, ;)

this is a great video from non shaky neutral perpective, unreal, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uDyEUA23w&feature=related
"hard work will always beat talent if talent doesn't work"