Will you be buying it?
It comes with a free DVD of the rosary
Featuring Macavity the cat. And some depravity.
Only if the rosary is by Saint Mickey.
WTF is happening here? Is there a buzz word that's banned?
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2016, 12:27:33 AM
WTF is happening here? Is there a buzz word that's banned?
Must be legal issues
I just said I enjoyed it.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 23, 2016, 12:22:10 AM
Only if the rosary is by Saint Mickey.
Sorrowful mystery devoted to refereeing decisions
Like I said, only McCarron's bank account benefits from this sorid mess.
Some of the blame game stuff attacking the father and the girl in the last thread was poor form to say the least.
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2016, 01:19:43 AM
Like I said, only McCarron's bank account benefits from this sorid mess.
Some of the blame game stuff attacking the father and the girl in the last thread was poor form to say the least.
And some of the insinuations of what McCarron did and linkages to other high profile cases was equally poor form. Calling something for what it is, is fine. But don't be making links to imply it is something else. The likes of Seafoid is so eager to post ad nauseam on every topic that he loses the run of himself sometimes.
He says that "temptation" and "curiosity" drove him to use the app.
My heart was beating.
My mickey was hard
Snooker has a level of misbehaviour called bringing the sport into disrepute. But it's probably Protestant
Business Development Manager & Trainee Psychotherapist & Counselor
Your commitment to the promotion of verbal diarrhea is commendable Seafoid. Congratulations on the many posts you have accrued. I'm sure your county is proud.
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2016, 01:19:43 AM
Like I said, only McCarron's bank account benefits from this sorid mess.
Some of the blame game stuff attacking the father and the girl in the last thread was poor form to say the least.
You were quick to drag the character of the two Tyrone minors through the mud last year without a shred of evidence so we all know all about your insincerity when it comes to your outage.
You didn't even have the guts the apologise then for your disgusting attacks on a pair of minors and you don't even have the guts to enter a debate with me.
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/davy-glennon-i-wasnt-trying-to-kill-myself-but-i-wanted-to-kill-the-life-i-was-living-398150.html
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g346/mrmossie/gaa.jpg)
Bomber you could go so far as to post a video of Joe Canning or Shane Walsh doing something dreadful but it wouldnt change anything. It is not about the county. It's about dúthracht. It's about how to live.
Johan Cruyff had a quote. You need to look. You need to move. You need to make space. You need to help others.
It's not about the rosary.
Seriously this board has gone to the dogs with some of the shite that's been posted lately.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2016, 09:26:28 AM
Seriously this board has gone to the dogs with some of the shite that's been posted lately.
Has indeed
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 09:20:31 AM
Bomber you could go so far as to post a video of Joe Canning or Shane Walsh doing something dreadful but it wouldnt change anything. It is not about the county. It's about dúthracht. It's about how to live.
Johan Cruyff had a quote. You need to look. You need to move. You need to make space. You need to help others.
It's not about the rosary.
I never saw you condemn him.
Davy Glennon has a conviction in a courtroom for punching his ex girlfriend in the face in the middle of a pub. It was reported by national media after he have been convicted in a courtroom. He ran to the media about his story about recovery, I have never seen you go on a crusade against him. Selective?
McCarron was investigated by the authorities and it was decided he had no charges to answer to. He had these allegations reported by national media before he was ever even charged with any offences. I think he has a right to set the record straight to the public on those allegations. There are many, many people who can have genuine grievances with McCarron making money out of this book, the girl and her father are not one of them.
Cathal McCarron @mc_carron1 5 sept.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 23, 2016, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 09:20:31 AM
Bomber you could go so far as to post a video of Joe Canning or Shane Walsh doing something dreadful but it wouldnt change anything. It is not about the county. It's about dúthracht. It's about how to live.
Johan Cruyff had a quote. You need to look. You need to move. You need to make space. You need to help others.
It's not about the rosary.
I never saw you condemn him.
Davy Glennon has a conviction in a courtroom for punching his ex girlfriend in the face in the middle of a pub. It was reported by national media after he have been convicted in a courtroom. He ran to the media about his story about recovery, I have never seen you go on a crusade against him. Selective?
McCarron was investigated by the authorities and it was decided he had no charges to answer to. He had these allegations reported by national media before he was ever even charged with any offences. I think he has a right to set the record straight to the public on those allegations. There are many, many people who can have genuine grievances with McCarron making money out of this book, the girl and her father are not one of them.
Appalling behaviour. Judge was correct
I'm not on a crusade. I just think McCarron is still messed up
Look at his twitter feed compared to Niall McNamee's who also had gambling problems.
And the law is not good when it has anything to do with messy personal relationships. Because there are no absolutes between men and women. Or men and men or women and women. There are shades of grey
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 10:51:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 23, 2016, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 09:20:31 AM
Bomber you could go so far as to post a video of Joe Canning or Shane Walsh doing something dreadful but it wouldnt change anything. It is not about the county. It's about dúthracht. It's about how to live.
Johan Cruyff had a quote. You need to look. You need to move. You need to make space. You need to help others.
It's not about the rosary.
I never saw you condemn him.
Davy Glennon has a conviction in a courtroom for punching his ex girlfriend in the face in the middle of a pub. It was reported by national media after he have been convicted in a courtroom. He ran to the media about his story about recovery, I have never seen you go on a crusade against him. Selective?
McCarron was investigated by the authorities and it was decided he had no charges to answer to. He had these allegations reported by national media before he was ever even charged with any offences. I think he has a right to set the record straight to the public on those allegations. There are many, many people who can have genuine grievances with McCarron making money out of this book, the girl and her father are not one of them.
Appalling behaviour. Judge was correct
I'm not on a crusade. I just think McCarron is still messed up
Look at his twitter feed compared to Niall McNamee's who also had gambling problems.
And the law is not good when it has anything to do with messy personal relationships. Because there are no absolutes between men and women. Or men and men or women and women. There are shades of grey
There's not much that can be defended with McCarron.
The guy goes around and leaves a mess behind him with his actions that other people have to pick up.
In this case, however, the blame does not lie with McCarron (certainly from the information available) and in many ways he was wronged in that media reports were published regarding these allegations when no charges were brought against him. I think it is reasonable for him to want to set the record straight on that particular episode.
It's the girl's father who needs to cop himself on, he has put his daughter under the spotlight even more than had already been so.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 23, 2016, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 10:51:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 23, 2016, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 09:20:31 AM
Bomber you could go so far as to post a video of Joe Canning or Shane Walsh doing something dreadful but it wouldnt change anything. It is not about the county. It's about dúthracht. It's about how to live.
Johan Cruyff had a quote. You need to look. You need to move. You need to make space. You need to help others.
It's not about the rosary.
I never saw you condemn him.
Davy Glennon has a conviction in a courtroom for punching his ex girlfriend in the face in the middle of a pub. It was reported by national media after he have been convicted in a courtroom. He ran to the media about his story about recovery, I have never seen you go on a crusade against him. Selective?
McCarron was investigated by the authorities and it was decided he had no charges to answer to. He had these allegations reported by national media before he was ever even charged with any offences. I think he has a right to set the record straight to the public on those allegations. There are many, many people who can have genuine grievances with McCarron making money out of this book, the girl and her father are not one of them.
Appalling behaviour. Judge was correct
I'm not on a crusade. I just think McCarron is still messed up
Look at his twitter feed compared to Niall McNamee's who also had gambling problems.
And the law is not good when it has anything to do with messy personal relationships. Because there are no absolutes between men and women. Or men and men or women and women. There are shades of grey
There's not much that can be defended with McCarron.
The guy goes around and leaves a mess behind him with his actions that other people have to pick up.
In this case, however, the blame does not lie with McCarron (certainly from the information available) and in many ways he was wronged in that media reports were published regarding these allegations when no charges were brought against him. I think it is reasonable for him to want to set the record straight on that particular episode.
It's the girl's father who needs to cop himself on, he has put his daughter under the spotlight even more than had already been so.
the media also played a part and every time they give McCarron space it doesn't help her.
Could they not have a ban for a while until things calm down .
The father is not doing her favours either but he sees the impact the coverage has.
It is a mess
The Late Late Show interviewed Joe O'Reilly 2 weeks after he murdered his wife:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/how-joe-oreillys-selfpublicity-has-badly-backfired-26409630.html (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/how-joe-oreillys-selfpublicity-has-badly-backfired-26409630.html)
He also appeared on The News, Crimeline and was interviewed by the Evening Herald.
I am sure that, in hindsight, Rachel O'Reilly's family didn't mind him turning the spotlight on himself.
If McCarron had something to hide, I'd want him in front of a camera, and if he doesn't (as the Gardai believed) he is as entitled to be there as anyone else. Either way, I'd put him there.
The book is a car crash and so also McCarron.
The father acted in good faith to put the brakes on McCarron's public victimhood bleatings.
The tables are turned now, rte are boycotting tyrone.
He's not going be on the LLS
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-star-cathal-mccarron-wont-appear-on-late-late-show-to-talk-about-new-book-35153802.html
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 06:08:49 PM
He's not going be on the LLS
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-star-cathal-mccarron-wont-appear-on-late-late-show-to-talk-about-new-book-35153802.html
Yeah yeah,10hours ltr, announced this morning u twat
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Aye, social media is real problem when these sort of stories come out. You even get some twats starting a new thread on a topic even when the previous thread has been closed and anything that is possibly constructive has been said. But I suppose when these social media addicts live to post as nauseam, making the same point and creating dangerous links to stories that have no relevance then the space for recovery for those involved is indeed very limited.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Aye, social media is real problem when these sort of stories come out. You even get some t**ts starting a new thread on a topic even when the previous thread has been closed and anything that is possibly constructive has been said. But I suppose when these social media addicts live to post as nauseam, making the same point and creating dangerous links to stories that have no relevance then the space for recovery for those involved is indeed very limited.
Benny a 17 killed himself in the UK recently. He had been taunted since age 12 on social media because he wasn't allowed to play clash of clans or one of those games.
Social media for teenagers can be lethal.
Good to see the LLS doing the decent thing
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Aye, social media is real problem when these sort of stories come out. You even get some t**ts starting a new thread on a topic even when the previous thread has been closed and anything that is possibly constructive has been said. But I suppose when these social media addicts live to post as nauseam, making the same point and creating dangerous links to stories that have no relevance then the space for recovery for those involved is indeed very limited.
Benny a 17 killed himself in the UK recently. He had been taunted since age 12 on social media because he wasn't allowed to play clash of clans or one of those games.
Social media for teenagers can be lethal.
Good to see the LLS doing the decent thing
You clearly think you know the dangers, so wind your neck in. You have flippantly linked this incident with two high profile cases where people were charged with very, very serious crimes. Now, if you think that you are using social media responsibly then you clearly don't understand the dangers. I wonder what your motive was for starting this thread after the last one was pulled. Had you not repeated the same point enough times?
Paul Kimmage - "Best book I have read this year".
A small victory in a sea of shit.
Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2016, 01:30:48 AM
A small victory in a sea of shit.
Did you mean to post that on a Rossie thread? :D
Quote from: Syferus on October 24, 2016, 01:30:48 AM
A small victory in a sea of shit.
The title of a new book out for Christmas charting the history of Roscommon football.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Aye, social media is real problem when these sort of stories come out. You even get some t**ts starting a new thread on a topic even when the previous thread has been closed and anything that is possibly constructive has been said. But I suppose when these social media addicts live to post as nauseam, making the same point and creating dangerous links to stories that have no relevance then the space for recovery for those involved is indeed very limited.
He's not guilty
It's something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igsb3ejgbL8
For #recovery try
https://twitter.com/niallmc14
Niall McNamee retweeted
Blake Mycoskie @BlakeMycoskie 18 oct.
The goal shouldn't be how much money you make... it should be how many people you help. #TuesdayMotivation
#recovery means ending the chaos
I hope he finds his equilibrium
But it is unlikely to be in the media. The media aren't interested in balance. They just
want stories. He is also a victim.
The kneejerk Tyrone support probably doesn't help either
Life is hard
I have read and seen enough shit on this forum which is meant to be a GAA forum.
Have some of use forgotten McCarron is a GAA man and puts his life on the line for Tyrone GAA and his club. He has had his troubles but he has turned his life around not short of a miracle. You tell me who could of done what he has done? People will judge him no matter what he does now in life but i will tell you this, the man is a very good friend of a friend of mine and he is a credit to himself and his family. If you don't know him don't judge him and that goes for everyone in life.
We should be talking about his book on how it will help many's a person in the future who will fall on their own troubles and give them hope. Anyhow i am looking forward to the 2017 season already. Nearly Christmas :)
And your a big man hiding behind the keyboard 8)
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
And your a big man hiding behind the keyboard 8)
Sorry can i not express an opinion on the subject ? It is a discussion board it is not ?
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2016, 08:07:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 23, 2016, 08:10:26 AM
Re ched the social media angle is the same even if the parameters are not. Social media destroys people in cases involving dodgy sexual relations and fame. It is not about "he did nothing wrong " . It is about the dynamics.
The girl /woman cannot function. #Recovery
At least it's not England. At least she hasn't been publicly named and attacked.
McCarron needs publicity for his book. Every time he gets in the media he sets her off. #Recovery
And he has built his thing around #Recovery.
You couldn't make it up.
In the old days he would have been sent to Maynooth.
It's dreadful.
My county drunk or sober. If this was a Tyrone player it would be a black card.
Aye, social media is real problem when these sort of stories come out. You even get some t**ts starting a new thread on a topic even when the previous thread has been closed and anything that is possibly constructive has been said. But I suppose when these social media addicts live to post as nauseam, making the same point and creating dangerous links to stories that have no relevance then the space for recovery for those involved is indeed very limited.
He's not guilty
It's something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igsb3ejgbL8
For #recovery try
https://twitter.com/niallmc14
Niall McNamee retweeted
Blake Mycoskie @BlakeMycoskie 18 oct.
The goal shouldn't be how much money you make... it should be how many people you help. #TuesdayMotivation
#recovery means ending the chaos
I hope he finds his equilibrium
But it is unlikely to be in the media. The media aren't interested in balance. They just
want stories. He is also a victim.
The kneejerk Tyrone support probably doesn't help either
Life is hard
Is it media or social media that's the problem? Is it the girls recovery or McCarrons recovery your are concerned about? Why did you start this thread when the other was closed!? What was your motive? Do you not see this forum as social media and people like you making blasé connections between very serious allegations against others and McCarrons story perpetuate the shit storms? Why continually peddle the Niall McNammee story? The two guys are at different stages of their recovery. Comparisons are utter nonsense. You are a big bag of contradictions let down by the strange need to comment ad nauseam on topics you know little about.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 09:42:01 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
And your a big man hiding behind the keyboard 8)
Sorry can i not express an opinion on the subject ? It is a discussion board it is not ?
Because you are an uneducated fool on addiction that's why. To many of your kind out there, that is the problem!
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 09:48:24 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 09:42:01 AM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
And your a big man hiding behind the keyboard 8)
Sorry can i not express an opinion on the subject ? It is a discussion board it is not ?
Because you are an uneducated fool on addiction that's why. To many of your kind out there, that is the problem!
I am not an uneducated fool on scumbags and their apologists however.
There is only 1 man looking like a sc**bag here and he is hiding behind a keyboard ;)
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 10:12:46 AM
There is only 1 man looking like a sc**bag here and he is hiding behind a keyboard ;)
And what are you using to post ? Telepathy?
Bottom line is defending McCarron is defending the indefensible. You must be related to him, or maybe just have a notion of him. ;)
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Take it to snapchat lads, you're boring the grown-ups.
From what I can see Cathal wont be making as much money as he would have hoped from his book. I got it e-mailed to me today, its doing the rounds in PDF format. This may send Cathal off the rails again.... Hopefully not.
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
In fairness, in his book he does admit he has done a lot of things he regrets and realises that his behaviour was less than admirable. What gets me is he refuses to accept this instead he blames it on gambling or finds some other blame for these behaviours
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
I would advise you to read his book then. I don't think Cathal is having sleepless nights looking at comments on this site, after all hiding behind a keyboard is the lowly cowards game ;)
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
I would advise you to read his book then. I don't think Cathal is having sleepless nights looking at comments on this site, after all hiding behind a keyboard is the lowly cowards game ;)
I won't be reading his book or contribute in anyway to the coffers of a thief. As my grandmother used to say "show me your company and i will tell you what you are". I'd take heed of that.
And i don't think he will be needing you to buy it either. p***k
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on October 24, 2016, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 24, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
In fairness, in his book he does admit he has done a lot of things he regrets and realises that his behaviour was less than admirable. What gets me is he refuses to accept this instead he blames it on gambling or finds some other blame for these behaviours
That's the addiction dualism phenomenon, the judea christian duality, good and evil, god and the devil. The devil tempts evil deeds, the devil made me do it. The addiction is more seen as the work of the devil. Therefore the addiction becomes a matter of morality and willpower, an external thing to be fought against with willpower and moral rectitude.
Which quite frankly is old testament claptrap..
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 02:09:45 PM
And i don't think he will be needing you to buy it either. p***k
Oh dear. Getting personal behind your keyboard. Let that teenage angst go son.
Haveaharp mate. I could imagine thats all your good for :-*
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 08:50:48 AM
I have read and seen enough shit on this forum which is meant to be a GAA forum.
Have some of use forgotten McCarron is a GAA man and puts his life on the line for Tyrone GAA and his club. He has had his troubles but he has turned his life around not short of a miracle. You tell me who could of done what he has done? People will judge him no matter what he does now in life but i will tell you this, the man is a very good friend of a friend of mine and he is a credit to himself and his family. If you don't know him don't judge him and that goes for everyone in life.
We should be talking about his book on how it will help many's a person in the future who will fall on their own troubles and give them hope. Anyhow i am looking forward to the 2017 season already. Nearly Christmas :)
At least a Tyrone supporter is finally being honest about the standard of the club game in the county.
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
Haveaharp mate. I could imagine thats all your good for :-*
Aye i enjoy an odd one.
Have never broken into someones house to fund it though.
Tell me this, what did cathal take btw ???? I hear this now and again
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Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
No but i can tell you who i am :) Can you ? Wonder would you be as big a man if he was in front of you? You just another 1 of these keyboard warriors that hasnt got a clue. God help if you have a child and they have an addiction
Don't have a clue ? I have enough of a clue to know that breaking into peoples houses is the action of a sc**bag. If he is the man you say he is then he would admit that himself. I won't even comment on his other actions.
In fairness, in his book he does admit he has done a lot of things he regrets and realises that his behaviour was less than admirable. What gets me is he refuses to accept this instead he blames it on gambling or finds some other blame for these behaviours
That's the addiction dualism phenomenon, the judea christian duality, good and evil, god and the devil. The devil tempts evil deeds, the devil made me do it. The addiction is more seen as the work of the devil. Therefore the addiction becomes a matter of morality and willpower, an external thing to be fought against with willpower and moral rectitude.
Which quite frankly is old testament claptrap..
?Huh? Surely your leaving freewill out of that to conveniently fit with your point
Besides What the alternative view. The naturalist and deterministic view that everything is gonna happen anyway? Therefore this would leave Cathal as the leopard who is what he is, and he has no responsibility for his actions as it was inevitable that he was going to carry them out anyway? Sort of makes a mockery of blaming him for his actions does it not?
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 03:21:29 PM
Tell me this, what did cathal take btw ???? I hear this now and again
Whether he took anything or not is irrelevant, he broke into someone elses house. He allegedly kept charity money and bounced cheques on people. Is that acceptable?
I mate your going on bullshit stories!!! You don't know the man or what he has done, typical nosey **** that has nothing better to do than talk about other people. Get a life you waste a space
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
I mate your going on bullshit stories!!! You don't know the man or what he has done, typical nosey **** that has nothing better to do than talk about other people. Get a life you waste a space
;D
So he categorically didn't do any of that? You can say that with absolute certainty ?
I'm disappointed in Christy oconnor for getting involved with this character for this book. I used to respect his journalism but to get involved in this seedy tale smacks a bit of opportunism. Also I'm glad to see sense has prevailed and Mccarron will not be on the LLS. People like him should not get airtime. If people want to buy this sort of sordid rubbish then good luck to them but Mccarron should not get the opportunity to promote it on prime time tv after the sort of things he has got up to.
What is the purpose to this book? Is it an autobiography detailing his journey so far both GAA/Personal or more of a guide on how he has overcame his gambling problems or both?
To be honest, he wouldn't be the most interesting player in the game to talk about his GAA exploits with Tyrone.
If he talks about the situations he has got himself into I would have to take them with a pinch of salt also, he is hardly going to make himself come off the villain everyone thinks he is.
The only remotely interesting thing I would find in this book is how he managed to overcome his addiction to gambling. But tbh the idea of a book at this stage in his career/life stinks of opportunism.
Why don't you buy it and see. Never judge a book by its cover
Was sent the PDF the other day and skimmed through it. Goes into quite a bit of detail about various misdemeanours; fighting, stealing from family and friends,fake charities etc. A lot more candid than I had thought it would be but leaves me with the impression that he feels he's owed however many chances he needs rather than earning them. Not a bad read to be fair.
Quote from: laceer on October 24, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
Was sent the PDF the other day and skimmed through it. Goes into quite a bit of detail about various misdemeanours; fighting, stealing from family and friends,fake charities etc. A lot more candid than I had thought it would be but leaves me with the impression that he feels he's owed however many chances he needs rather than earning them. Not a bad read to be fair.
Have read some of it and some pure shite in it about how he was in fear of his life from a gang of drug dealer from... wait for it.... Enniskillen. :-[ Is gang culture a major deal in Fermanagh?!
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Quote from: laceer on October 24, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
Was sent the PDF the other day and skimmed through it. Goes into quite a bit of detail about various misdemeanours; fighting, stealing from family and friends,fake charities etc. A lot more candid than I had thought it would be but leaves me with the impression that he feels he's owed however many chances he needs rather than earning them. Not a bad read to be fair.
Have read some of it and some pure shite in it about how he was in fear of his life from a gang of drug dealer from... wait for it.... Enniskillen. :-[ Is gang culture a major deal in Fermanagh?!
Enniskillen is a very rough town in fairness.
I have read a fair bit now and still not sure what to make of it. His story is sad and feel really and for his family. It might be just me but I still don't think he takes responsibility for his actions. At times in the book he says he does but he always has a caveat like " they did not know but they were enabling me...." or something along those lines. That is the dissappointing part.
Also very harsh on his father. Yeah his father might drink a bit, who wouldn't with a son like that. The worst is blaming cheating on his gambling addiction, come on man.
I just think he is a very stupid person who had it easy growing up and tied in with an addictive personality was a recipe for disaster. To me though, form reading the book and lack of accepting 100% blame I do not think he has overcome his problems yet.
Anyone want to supply me a copy of said PDF? I don't think I'd buy the book but I'd certainly give it a wee skim through
Quote from: Boycey on October 25, 2016, 02:07:58 PM
Anyone want to supply me a copy of said PDF? I don't think I'd buy the book but I'd certainly give it a wee skim through
I'll take a copy too if it's not too much bother
Unreal and you call him a thief.
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Anyone want to supply me a copy of said PDF? I don't think I'd buy the book but I'd certainly give it a wee skim through
I'll take a copy too if it's not too much bother
Are you 2 boys Sun readers by any chance? I'm expecting this sordid tale to be picked up and serialised by the sun or one of those rubbish papers very soon.
I think I'll buy the book but recovery is very hard. It's a journey rather than an event. I was just looking at the twitter accounts of McCarron and Niall McNamee. McNamee has really turned things around and you can sense a real positivity in his tweets, the stuff he gets involved in. He comes across as a very positive force. And he doesn't wallow in victimhood or hide behind labels. He just gets on with it. That is the impression anyway .
McCarron has less of that positive energy visible. Hopefully he can stay clean and make his way to a better place.
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Anyone want to supply me a copy of said PDF? I don't think I'd buy the book but I'd certainly give it a wee skim through
I'll take a copy too if it's not too much bother
Are you 2 boys Sun readers by any chance? I'm expecting this sordid tale to be picked up and serialised by the sun or one of those rubbish papers very soon.
My Da was looking to read it now. I'll wait until I pick it out of my christmas stocking, read extracts between courses up at the mother in law's
Read them out loud.
Quote from: lenny on October 25, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Are you 2 boys Sun readers by any chance? I'm expecting this sordid tale to be picked up and serialised by the sun or one of those rubbish papers very soon.
Irish News has already virtually serialised it and promoting it for the last week or so. Today, the Irish News has another 'article' promoting the pre-launch in the Arts Crescent Centre with Adrian Logan. Will you add him to your list with the ghost writer. Passages also being provided by the Indo. The LLS carry on shows that there is no such thing as bad publicity. A chat to Dromore folk will soon give you a perspective on the veracity of the events described in the book.
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Anyone want to supply me a copy of said PDF? I don't think I'd buy the book but I'd certainly give it a wee skim through
I'll take a copy too if it's not too much bother
Are you 2 boys Sun readers by any chance? I'm expecting this sordid tale to be picked up and serialised by the sun or one of those rubbish papers very soon.
I'm not a Sun reader... I don't know much about McCarron beyond the obvious headlines and may have a glance at this and make my own mind up on the subject. Then again I may read one paragraph and leave it at that..
I've read the first 100 odd pages and I have to say it's a great read. Brutally honest & no blushes spared.
I enjoyed it. You'll read it in one sitting.
The whole rosary thing was startling though.
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 09:18:34 PM
I enjoyed it. You'll read it in one sitting.
The whole rosary thing was startling though.
Are the Tyrone players like the Mormoms? Do they have special underwear?
€500 to charity after a row in Dublin
Not a bad read to be honest and a warning for others I trust.In my opinion I think gambling to Cathal's extent was combination of addiction, greed and laziness.At least he does outline all his misdemeanors and doesn't hide from telling the truth, I hope this book helps him and other people who secretly suffer.
Read first couple of chapters....you just get the impression he's a compulsive liar! Drug gangs in Enniskillen!!! Really!!
Most provincial towns of any size will have a problem with drugs and drug dealers.
We're not talking about the Colombian cartel here, but there are still plenty of dodgy characters involved.
Finished the book, a great read. My admiration for Mickey Harte has further increased as well. I'd say Cathal is going to be battling his demons for the rest of his days. Best of luck to him & his family.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 28, 2016, 07:55:12 PM
Finished the book, a great read. My admiration for Mickey Harte has further increased as well. I'd say Cathal is going fo battling his demons for the rest of his days. Best of luck to him & his family.
Must give it a lash over the weekend. My admiration of Mickey Harte can only increase.
There's been no Religion in me for a very very long time but I think that Mickey Harte displays the traits of a true Christian and I greatly admire him (& some other genuine people) for it. There are plenty of Catholic Gobshites who typify what is so badly wrong with Religion & you don't have to go far to find them, the prime example regularly polluting this board with his shite.
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Finished the book, a great read. My admiration for Mickey Harte has further increased as well. I'd say Cathal is going fo battling his demons for the rest of his days. Best of luck to him & his family.
Must give it a lash over the weekend. My admiration of Mickey Harte can only increase.
lol you boys are some craic. Harte knows well just how bad the other corner back options are that he has and that is the main reason he has stuck by mccarron. If he had decent alternatives mccarron would already be battling in the ring in his mma career.
Lenny spot on.
Quote from: skeog on October 29, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Lenny spot on.
Balls- There are plenty of non GAA people and non county standard GAA players he has helped too.
A small example.
http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/steelstown-s-finest-brian-og-mckeever-1-2131501 (http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/steelstown-s-finest-brian-og-mckeever-1-2131501)
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Finished the book, a great read. My admiration for Mickey Harte has further increased as well. I'd say Cathal is going fo battling his demons for the rest of his days. Best of luck to him & his family.
Must give it a lash over the weekend. My admiration of Mickey Harte can only increase.
lol you boys are some craic. Harte knows well just how bad the other corner back options are that he has and that is the main reason he has stuck by mccarron. If he had decent alternatives mccarron would already be battling in the ring in his mma career.
McCarron must have been texting your woman on tinder. Whatever about the fella he'd walk onto most county teams
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Finished the book, a great read. My admiration for Mickey Harte has further increased as well. I'd say Cathal is going fo battling his demons for the rest of his days. Best of luck to him & his family.
Must give it a lash over the weekend. My admiration of Mickey Harte can only increase.
lol you boys are some craic. Harte knows well just how bad the other corner back options are that he has and that is the main reason he has stuck by mccarron. If he had decent alternatives mccarron would already be battling in the ring in his mma career.
There's a whole Philosophical debate around "is there such a thing as a selfless act" so probably a grain of truth in it, takes nothing from MH in my opinion.
He isn't even that good a CB.
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
Even God must hate Tyrone if that's the case. And yes it's a bit strange alright.
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
Mayo really upped the intensity and added a 6th decade this year. A game of inches.....
Rumours that Dubs will have an Archbishop as part of their backroom team in 2017.
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Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
Mayo really upped the intensity and added a 6th decade this year. A game of inches.....
Rumours that Dubs will have an Archbishop as part of their backroom team in 2017.
The Dubs nailed all the mysteries too.
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
That is completely nuts. Just shows how much power Harte has and how much the players have been brainwashed into the cult of Micky.
Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
That is completely nuts. Just shows how much power Harte has and how much the players have been brainwashed into the cult of Micky.
Motivating young sportsmen is an art. It's all about turning individuals into a team. Harte went through terrible trauma with the all Ireland teams that obviously brought them closer
The cult of Cody thrives down in Kilkenny. The Rosary isn't the worst tool Mickey could be using.
Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
That is completely nuts. Just shows how much power Harte has and how much the players have been brainwashed into the cult of Micky.
That is mental.
Fearon will be looking at Tyrone in a whole new light
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Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
That is completely nuts. Just shows how much power Harte has and how much the players have been brainwashed into the cult of Micky.
That is mental.
O'Neill's other posts on other threads, around that time, were firmly of the tongue in cheek variety. I took that one to be the same. Has anyone, who read the book, seen this mentioned?
It is in the book
They do it all the time in American sport and no one passes any remarks.
Personally, nothing gets me psyched up and ready to run through a brick wall quite like a good decade of the rosary.
Finished the book.
McCarron comes across very badly. He thinks he is owed forgiveness after all the terrible things he has done but when he talks about other people who he feels have betrayed him he is not beholden to his own standards.
The bit where he talks about Ryan Porter being "dead to him" after he made a quip about the Porno film just typifies this. A guy makes an insulting comment in the heat of the moment and apologises to him shortly after and he won't accept it and carries it forward. Yet he constantly moans about Dromore players not visiting him in rehab and being driven out of Tyrone after all the sc**bag antics he pulled. He consistently tries to excuse all his antics because he had a "disease".
There were a few decent insights to it. The McGee brothers, like I've always felt, are thoroughly alright sorts according to McCarron and their sledging is very much of a harmless variety. They play hard and while they may dole a fair bit of filthy digs they are more than willing to take them too. I take it McBrearty is the Donegal forward he is referring to about being one of the best players in the country if he concentrated more on the football than mouthing off?
I wouldn't have too much sympathy for the sledging he receives but he doesn't seem to have received near as much of it as you'd have expected. He particularly went to town on Monaghan for their behaviour in 2014, he did seem to be getting an awful lot of goading that day at the match. Monaghan and Derry are the two sides who he called out as targeting him for verbals.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
They do it all the time in American sport and no one passes any remarks.
Personally, nothing gets me psyched up and ready to run through a brick wall quite like a good decade of the rosary.
lol, very good. Dear Lord please accept these prayers as recompense for the foul mouthed sledging and cynical fouling I am about to administer, Amen. Just a small bit hypocritical.
Mickey Harte's cognitive dissonce knows no bounds.
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
They do it all the time in American sport and no one passes any remarks.
Personally, nothing gets me psyched up and ready to run through a brick wall quite like a good decade of the rosary.
lol, very good. Dear Lord please accept these prayers as recompense for the foul mouthed sledging and cynical fouling I am about to administer, Amen. Just a small bit hypocritical.
"Bless me Father for I have sledged..."
Quote from: Syferus on October 30, 2016, 01:20:34 PM
Mickey Harte's cognitive dissonce knows no bounds.
Did you mean to say dissonance?
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Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
Let's discuss the bit that jumped out at me.
Before championship matches this year they recite the rosary. Mickey leads the 1st, 3rd and 5th and the players do the 2nd and 4th and Mickey responds on his own.
Am I wrong thinking this is a bit sorta mad?
That is completely nuts. Just shows how much power Harte has and how much the players have been brainwashed into the cult of Micky.
That is mental.
Utter lunacy stuff from Mickey. Talk about being stuck in the stone age.
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 30, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
They do it all the time in American sport and no one passes any remarks.
Personally, nothing gets me psyched up and ready to run through a brick wall quite like a good decade of the rosary.
If you were doing it on Lough Derg with no shoes and nothing eaten for 2 days imagine the transformative power
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
Didn't you say McCarron would be dropped for engaging with RTE?
Your word doesn't seem to carry much credibility around here.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
Didn't you say McCarron would be dropped for engaging with RTE?
Your word doesn't seem to carry much credibility around here.
If he had gone onto RTE then I would have expected him to be dropped from the team. I am not saying that definitively, it's only an opinion. It is based on knowing a few ex players. It is commonly reported that harte was livid with mcmenamin for going onto the sunday game.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
Didn't you say McCarron would be dropped for engaging with RTE?
Your word doesn't seem to carry much credibility around here.
If he had gone onto RTE then I would have expected him to be dropped from the team. I am not saying that definitively, it's only an opinion. It is based on knowing a few ex players. It is commonly reported that harte was livid with mcmenamin for going onto the sunday game.
Was it? Throw up a link to one of those reports that was so common so I can have a look. Or did these "ex players" that you know so well report that one too?
Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 30, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
"A lot of those players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other"
You ve stated this as a fact. What basis have you for stating this?
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 06:54:47 AM
Quote from: lenny on October 30, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 30, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Not a character attack. I absolutely respect his deep faith and he has went through things that I can't even imagine and he says himself his faith keeps him going.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to expect others to replicate that in his position.
Replicate what? Faith?
I don't think it causes any problems whatsoever to those who his faith might impact on.
Again it's a bit like the RTE boycott. Players will feel the need to act like sheep and go along with the flock because of the fear of standing out and being dropped. If a player thinks it is ridiculous and doesn't want to participate the simple fact is harte doesn't look on that sort of thing kindly. A lot of these players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other but here they are saying 5 decades of the rosary before games.
"A lot of those players given free choice wouldn't be near a chapel from one end of the year to the other"
You ve stated this as a fact. What basis have you for stating this?
How many young people do you know who go to mass regularly. A high percentage of young people I know have stopped going to mass. Unless the Tyrone panel is an exceptional cross section of the population then I am guessing a good number of those lads wouldn't be too interested in mass. Again This is an opinion based on my observations.
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Jesus wept.
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
I would say Barton is saying a few decades of the rosary that he has a team to put out against us next year. What business is it of anybody's whether a tyrone player wants to say a prayer or not. It is a great tool for channelling the mind nearly like meditation and that's what prayers and mantras began as. Its gets everyone on the same page and focused. Harte can't make players think a certain way but I am sure he explains they can use those moments to focus their mind in any way they want.
Such craying and moaning again. "Sledging and dicing" - I am pretty sure god is worried more about a lot more serious crimes caused than either of those 2 in the heat of a football match.
Catch a grip
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
The apology was about as sincere as your impartiality when it comes to Tyrone and Mickey Harte.
Harte had the death of his daughter used in a radio skit about him and RTE decided no action was appropriate against those who carried out and sanctioned the skit. I can fully understand why Harte felt there apology was disingenuous and how can you forgive those who show no remorse or means to atone.
You act like Tyrone are the only team who dive and sledge, some of your own county men don't come out too well going by recent publications - then again sincerity isn't something that would be associated with you.
Quote from: stephenite on October 31, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Jesus wept.
Why?
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
You have no idea how many Tyrone players go to Mass yet you announced on this forum as fact that many of them didn't. Why don't you just retract that. Silly thing to post.
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 31, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Jesus wept.
Why?
There Are None So Blind
As Those Who Will Not See
That's why.
Quote from: PW Nally on October 31, 2016, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 31, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Jesus wept.
Why?
There Are None So Blind
As Those Who Will Not See
That's why.
Wasn't asking you !
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Armagh's symbol, Donegals circle of trust (or whatever it is) Dublin's little blue book, lads not shaving, Romanian players dying their hair during a world cup, lads going off the drink - the list of strange, weird and wonderful things that teams do to form bonds and strengthen unity before games and during championships is endless. I know Mickey is a very avid reader of management techniques from sports around the world, especially American sports where saying prayers before a game, collectively as a team, is very common. Focusing the mind before a big game is very important and if the management team think that saying prayers enables the team to do that then players generally buy into it and get on with it. After 13 years Mickey needs to try different things to keep his message fresh and I'm sure there's things that he has tried which haven't worked and things that he has tried that has worked, the proof is in the pudding and theres not too many people criticising Mickey on here would have one millionth of the success that he has achieved as a manager.
I remember reading about Mickey getting every player to write a positive message about every player on the panel and he collated them all and posted them through their hotel door the evening before and AI final. I thought that this was pretty corny but speaking to two players involved, they said it was a masterstroke and they felt 10ft tall after reading the comments. Putting yourself out there to try new things is the hallmark of a good manager and Mickey tries to do that and freshen things up, which isn't easy after 13 years. I would suggest that is what sets him apart from the keyboard warriors on here and nearly every other manager in the GAA.
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Was addressing Kenny there. He has no right to come on here and make a statement that most Tyrone players don't go to mass until he got the go ahead from them to do so which I sure he didn't hence mandate. It's like me saying that you and your friends don't go to mass.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 31, 2016, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Armagh's symbol, Donegals circle of trust (or whatever it is) Dublin's little blue book, lads not shaving, Romanian players dying their hair during a world cup, lads going off the drink - the list of strange, weird and wonderful things that teams do to form bonds and strengthen unity before games and during championships is endless. I know Mickey is a very avid reader of management techniques from sports around the world, especially American sports where saying prayers before a game, collectively as a team, is very common. Focusing the mind before a big game is very important and if the management team think that saying prayers enables the team to do that then players generally buy into it and get on with it. After 13 years Mickey needs to try different things to keep his message fresh and I'm sure there's things that he has tried which haven't worked and things that he has tried that has worked.
Saying a prayer is one thing, 5 decades of the rosary is way OTT.
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Was addressing Kenny there. He has no right to come on here and make a statement that most Tyrone players don't go to mass until he got the go ahead from them to do so which I sure he didn't hence mandate. It's like me saying that you and your friends don't go to mass.
Sorry for saying that the tyrone players don't go to mass. I hope you don't go and tell their mammies.
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 31, 2016, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Armagh's symbol, Donegals circle of trust (or whatever it is) Dublin's little blue book, lads not shaving, Romanian players dying their hair during a world cup, lads going off the drink - the list of strange, weird and wonderful things that teams do to form bonds and strengthen unity before games and during championships is endless. I know Mickey is a very avid reader of management techniques from sports around the world, especially American sports where saying prayers before a game, collectively as a team, is very common. Focusing the mind before a big game is very important and if the management team think that saying prayers enables the team to do that then players generally buy into it and get on with it. After 13 years Mickey needs to try different things to keep his message fresh and I'm sure there's things that he has tried which haven't worked and things that he has tried that has worked.
Saying a prayer is one thing, 5 decades of the rosary is way OTT.
serious question's, how long would 5 decades of the rosary take and do you need to be holding beads?
Quote from: lenny on October 31, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 31, 2016, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Armagh's symbol, Donegals circle of trust (or whatever it is) Dublin's little blue book, lads not shaving, Romanian players dying their hair during a world cup, lads going off the drink - the list of strange, weird and wonderful things that teams do to form bonds and strengthen unity before games and during championships is endless. I know Mickey is a very avid reader of management techniques from sports around the world, especially American sports where saying prayers before a game, collectively as a team, is very common. Focusing the mind before a big game is very important and if the management team think that saying prayers enables the team to do that then players generally buy into it and get on with it. After 13 years Mickey needs to try different things to keep his message fresh and I'm sure there's things that he has tried which haven't worked and things that he has tried that has worked.
Saying a prayer is one thing, 5 decades of the rosary is way OTT.
Its not something I'd be getting too worked up about but I'll go with Mickey's experience on what is best for a team over your limited knowledge, Lenny!
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 31, 2016, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
What???
Saying 5 decades of the Rosary before a match is daft and mind boggling when you consider the teams Harte has put out that dive/sledge etc. He still fails to eradicate the nonsense from his teams and has yet to forgive RTE for their mistake even after they apologised... Not very Christian behaviour!
Who are you to announce that Trone players don't go to Mass?
I didn't say they don't... I'm wondering why you're talking about mandates on an internet discussion board!! There is a good chance a lot of them don't go to mass which is fair enough they probably go along with the rosary thing to not look out of place as well which is no big deal either.
It doesn't mean it's not strange or hypocritical when Harte's teams have a history of cheating but that''s old ground and no point covering it again.
Speak to any Club/County footballer and ask if anywhere else in Ireland or around the world they say even one decade of the Rosary before a match and I'd be amazed if you'd find 5 teams if even that. Only you Tyronie's are the ones saying it's not downright strange!!!
Was addressing Kenny there. He has no right to come on here and make a statement that most Tyrone players don't go to mass until he got the go ahead from them to do so which I sure he didn't hence mandate. It's like me saying that you and your friends don't go to mass.
You wouldn't be a million miles away!!
Some quality in this thread; keep it up lads!!
While im here, I might be helping out some underage teams in the next year or two; whats the recommended Rosary levels for say under8's? Start with one decade and then add one per year? Jesus, Minors will be some craic;
sorry for the blaspheme; Cathal/Mickey forgive me
What if Colm Cavanagh is a Muslim? He'll feel a bit of an outsider.
A Moyslim?!
a-haaa!!!!
Reminds me a bit of this (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/faith-of-their-fathers-living-still-1.7123).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/paul-kimmage-meets-cathal-mccarron-until-i-go-to-the-grave-i-will-be-battling-this-disease-35172612.html
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
Before the dog fighting would you go for a quick decade or 2 or would grace before meals be more appropriate?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
Ignore him. His wife's a teacher so he thinks he knows it all about the job. That's what you are dealing with.
Nicola Kelly was one of the best counsellors in Cuan Mhuire and had become a close friend. Her husband, Joe, was a huge supporter of the Athy senior team and was keen for him to get involved. "You'll be fine Cathal," he said. "It's all good GAA people here. You're in among your own."
He was so lost
It reminded me of Padraig O Conaire's story Nora Mharcais Bhig
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
You can read can't you?
I know there is sledging and stuff but Gaelic football is so innocent compared to where Cathal McCarron went
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
Ignore him. His wife's a teacher so he thinks he knows it all about the job. That's what you are dealing with.
I didn't receive a mandate from you to talk about it. Sorry, you absolute balloon. ;D
Yeah come on Tony; gotta get that stuff mandated before ye start spoutin off; thems the rules; ye should know this by now
on another note - is there a Post of the Year on here? If not, there should be :o ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
Ignore him. His wife's a teacher so he thinks he knows it all about the job. That's what you are dealing with.
I didn't receive a mandate from you to talk about it. Sorry, you absolute balloon. ;D
Lol
Another Tyrone hating Armagh tube who like Tony Fearin can't get 03 and 05 out of his head!!!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
Seems strange that you'd use a central theme of Catholicism to slang it off
Whats the big deal here?
I think sports psychology is essentially a load of balls, but if it was part of a team that used it Id have to go to their sessions or whatever,... who knows it might even do some good.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
You can read can't you?
Whoosh.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
You can read can't you?
Whoosh.
I see what you did there. Eventually. :D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 31, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
What the f**k do you mean by that?
You can read can't you?
Whoosh.
I see what you did there. Eventually. :D
:)
Tyrone humour.
I wonder how much money the porn company made on the video. Probably way more than 3k.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
I love posts like this. Good man Tony! ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
O'Neill seems to be the only Tyrone fan (possibly ever!) to have even an ounce of subjectivity. Every other Tyrone tool on here thinks even the slightest criticism of Tyrone is something to be defended.
Using my slightly less than an ounce of
objectivity, I'm calling that one out as a compliment -- we're generally very even-handed and impartial in our approach to opprobrium, self-inflicted or otherwise, thanks. :P ;)
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
I know there is sledging and stuff but Gaelic football is so innocent compared to where Cathal McCarron went
London?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 31, 2016, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 31, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
I know there is sledging and stuff but Gaelic football is so innocent compared to where Cathal McCarron went
London?
Eternal cyberspace. It'll be viewed for years probably. The sports subgenre.
Can't believe Colm Cavanagh is a Muslim.
I heard Mickey was so mad after the mayo defeat he kept the team back in the dressing room for 2 hours and conducted confessions with them. McCarrons took over an hour.
Quote from: Itchy on October 31, 2016, 09:43:47 PM
I heard Mickey was so mad after the mayo defeat he kept the team back in the dressing room for 2 hours and conducted confessions with them. McCarrons took over an hour.
Good man, you must have been working on that one all day.
Just finished the book there. I have to say I was skeptical before starting it and the reasons are below:
1. Compared to other players in the autobiography era, what had Mccarron really done?
2. The soundbytes were very much suggesting that this was a money making deal for him and that was his primary objective.
I have to say it is a great read and from the moment I read the first few pages I didn't want to put it down, and I hope that it gives a sliver of hope to anyone who finds themselves near the precipice. If you've never felt "out of control", well good for you. If you're sanctimonious about it then it shows your ignorance. The book is raw in its honesty and it took me to places that I only thought I had fully healed from and processed. He knows he's an addict, he knows he's done things that he deserves no redemption from. I hope he stays the course in his new found resolve and continues to help others.
I think the LLS should re evaluate canceling his appearance, but not focus on the underage girl if that are her parents wishes. There's too many young gamblers that could do from hearing his story.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 30, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Why is it mental?
Mickey is a deeply spiritual person. I would imagine a lot of the people who continually bash Harte for his faith and stubbornness would come nowhere near having the sort of positive effect he has had on many people's live, including some very troubled and grieving souls.
People are entitled to their opinions but I think some of the cheap character attacks on Harte here give you an insight into the kind of person making them.
Yet you just threw Mickeys opinion out the window and were more interested in The McGee brothers than someone's struggle with... what did you call it again? Oh that's right... a "disease".
Quote from: stephenite on October 31, 2016, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:14:59 AM
So you were guessing? As I said before you stated it as a fact
You have no entitlement to speak on behalf of the Tyrone players unless mandated to do so.
You have no idea of how many Tyrone players go to Mass or not.
It was a daft assertion to make.
Jesus wept.
Shortest verse in the Bible.
No Shit.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 01, 2016, 04:19:55 AM
Just finished the book there. I have to say I was skeptical before starting it and the reasons are below:
1. Compared to other players in the autobiography era, what had Mccarron really done?
2. The soundbytes were very much suggesting that this was a money making deal for him and that was his primary objective.
I have to say it is a great read and from the moment I read the first few pages I didn't want to put it down, and I hope that it gives a sliver of hope to anyone who finds themselves near the precipice. If you've never felt "out of control", well good for you. If you're sanctimonious about it then it shows your ignorance. The book is raw in its honesty and it took me to places that I only thought I had fully healed from and processed. He knows he's an addict, he knows he's done things that he deserves no redemption from. I hope he stays the course in his new found resolve and continues to help others.
I think the LLS should re evaluate canceling his appearance, but not focus on the underage girl if that are her parents wishes. There's too many young gamblers that could do from hearing his story.
I don't think they could control social media. He has a compelling story because of all the damage he caused but some of it is still live. All the attention must be very hard on his family. I am sure everyone in Dromore knows the video. It's all trauma.
I can imagine the Derry and Monaghan sledging.
McCarron has just been on Anton Savages show on TodayFM, I didn't think he came across that well, certainly not as well as I thought he did in the book and Savage gave him a difficult enough time.
On the book, I finished it at the weekend and thought it was an enthralling story and an honest, in my opinion, account of what its like to be an addict. I work in the gambling/gaming industry and see what gambling can do to people at close hand.
Edit: Savage is getting a fair bit of stick from his own listeners about his treatment of McCarron. I'm sure the interview can be listened back on their player if anyone interested.
Quote from: Boycey on November 01, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
McCarron has just been on Anton Savages show on TodayFM, I didn't think he came across that well, certainly not as well as I thought he did in the book and Savage gave him a difficult enough time.
On the book, I finished it at the weekend and thought it was an enthralling story and an honest, in my opinion, account of what its like to be an addict. I work in the gambling/gaming industry and see what gambling can do to people at close hand.
Edit: Savage is getting a fair bit of stick from his own listeners about his treatment of McCarron. I'm sure the interview can be listened back on their player if anyone interested.
Maybe tomorrow
http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back
Quote from: Boycey on November 01, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
McCarron has just been on Anton Savages show on TodayFM, I didn't think he came across that well, certainly not as well as I thought he did in the book and Savage gave him a difficult enough time.
On the book, I finished it at the weekend and thought it was an enthralling story and an honest, in my opinion, account of what its like to be an addict. I work in the gambling/gaming industry and see what gambling can do to people at close hand.
Edit: Savage is getting a fair bit of stick from his own listeners about his treatment of McCarron. I'm sure the interview can be listened back on their player if anyone interested.
Came across well in the book because he didn't write it and it would have been well vetted by lawyers before publication...
http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Anton_Savage_Show/The_Anton_Savage_Show/62541/2/cathal_mccarron_out_of_control (http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Anton_Savage_Show/The_Anton_Savage_Show/62541/2/cathal_mccarron_out_of_control)
Just listened to that... Anton dont seem too convinced... is probably better to let the book do the talking
Quote from: Boycey on November 01, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
McCarron has just been on Anton Savages show on TodayFM, I didn't think he came across that well, certainly not as well as I thought he did in the book and Savage gave him a difficult enough time.
On the book, I finished it at the weekend and thought it was an enthralling story and an honest, in my opinion, account of what its like to be an addict. I work in the gambling/gaming industry and see what gambling can do to people at close hand.
Edit: Savage is getting a fair bit of stick from his own listeners about his treatment of McCarron. I'm sure the interview can be listened back on their player if anyone interested.
had a listen there, thought McCarron came across ok, sounded genuine enough. Forget the money angle, doubt he'll make much, but if it does help people currently in a very dark place, then great. I've seen what gambling can do , a relative and a couple of friends. Gambling levels are truly off the charts
On the other hand, Savage came across as a privileged ar$e who hasn't endured much in the way of misery with his dismissive tone. (maybe he has, but that's they way he came across to me)
Cathal didnt come across well at all. Lucky perhaps lls didnt go ahead.Said he earned 1000 a week what job was he at to take that home you would need to be earning 1700 at least. Mentioned how he gambled all the movie money in two days,yet he said later he had attended his Grannys funeral with 400 he had from the movie.I am not being cynical but he comes across very much as being out of his depth during the interview which i suppose is understandable.
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 09:39:51 PM
Can't believe Colm Cavanagh is a Muslim.
You'd better hope ye don't play New York anytime if Trump gets elected. :D
Quote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: Boycey on November 01, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
McCarron has just been on Anton Savages show on TodayFM, I didn't think he came across that well, certainly not as well as I thought he did in the book and Savage gave him a difficult enough time.
On the book, I finished it at the weekend and thought it was an enthralling story and an honest, in my opinion, account of what its like to be an addict. I work in the gambling/gaming industry and see what gambling can do to people at close hand.
Edit: Savage is getting a fair bit of stick from his own listeners about his treatment of McCarron. I'm sure the interview can be listened back on their player if anyone interested.
had a listen there, thought McCarron came across ok, sounded genuine enough. Forget the money angle, doubt he'll make much, but if it does help people currently in a very dark place, then great. I've seen what gambling can do , a relative and a couple of friends. Gambling levels are truly off the charts
On the other hand, Savage came across as a privileged ar$e who hasn't endured much in the way of misery with his dismissive tone. (maybe he has, but that's they way he came across to me)
Gambling is basically unregulated. "gamble responsibly" is bollocks. So is "drink responsibly". Sign of an industry that refuses to be regulated in the public interest.
The UK used to have manufacturing industry. Now a sizeable chunk of economic activity is gambling.
Watching the ads of ITV during Champions League matches shows how bad the problem is.
As does shirt sponsorship.
It's dispossession economics.
Christ seafoid do you ever read read any of the stuff you post.
Quote from: Boycey on November 01, 2016, 03:25:38 PM
Christ seafoid do you ever read read any of the stuff you post.
How many McCarrons are there compared to the number of jobs gambling creates and what is an acceptable balance ?
How much did his gambling cost his family ?
Free six five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fujFYe17SU
https://www.umass.edu/seigma/sites/default/files/SEIG%20Report-Williams%20Rehm%20%20Stevens%202011.pdf
SOCIAL IMPACTS (i.e., impacts that are primarily non-monetary in their nature)
Problem Gambling
Changes in the prevalence of problem gambling and the main indices potentially associated with problem gambling (i.e., personal bankruptcy rates, divorce rates, suicide rates, treatment numbers). There are also monetary costs associated with changes in problem gambling that should be tabulated (and included in the Economic Impact section). Specifically, these are the amount of money spent on a) treatment and prevention; b) policing, prosecution, incarceration, and probation for gambling-related crime; c) child welfare involvement for gambling-related family problems; and d) unemployment and welfare payments and lost productivity because of gambling-related work problems.
For a change Im totally with seafoid on this.
Apart from the meagre amount of jobs from the "industry", (which I might add could be created from any economic activity if the funds ploughed into gambling were redirected).
It provides no useful contribution to society doesnt even supply decent tax revenue anymore seems like the best argument for it is "sure it would happen on the black market anyway"
On the Nolan Show tomorrow night.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
On the Nolan Show tomorrow night.
That's about his level, heard he's on the jeremy kyle show next week.
It is a horrible, horrible story. It's way more than the girl who is damaged. Fair play to Tyrone for welcoming him back and fair play to that club in Kildare but I wouldn't wish his experience on anybody . That video is going to be online for ages. It's what happens when you fall off the wagon and continue falling. How does society stop things like this happening or is there no point in doing anything ?
Sportsmen are three times more likely to gamble (6.1% versus 1.9%).
Hartson sees a lot of different people walk through the doors of those meetings - there are an estimated 400,000 people in the UK with a problem - but most of them do not come back. They have not reached their nadir yet.
A quarter of the Premier League's clubs have gambling logos on their shirts, the Football League's 72 clubs play in competitions sponsored by Sky Bet, William Hill back s the Football Association and pretty much every club has its own "official betting partner".
I thought he did ok in the interview
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
On the Nolan Show tomorrow night.
Why were there protests about the LLS, but apparently very little about Nolan?
Quote from: muppet on November 01, 2016, 07:05:26 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
On the Nolan Show tomorrow night.
Why were there protests about the LLS, but apparently very little about Nolan?
Probably the Kildare family don't know about the Nolan Show and if they did contact Nolan he would have no qualms about including them in the show unlike the queasy RTE LLS.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 01, 2016, 07:05:26 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 05:05:46 PM
On the Nolan Show tomorrow night.
Why were there protests about the LLS, but apparently very little about Nolan?
Probably the Kildare family don't know about the Nolan Show and if they did contact Nolan he would have no qualms about including them in the show unlike the queasy RTE LLS.
It's not all over the Irish indo so not registering on social media
'I'm probably a bit of the victim in there. The one thing I was looking forward to was my book launch in Dublin"
Not big on the self awareness, he seems like an absolute cretin
Quote from: Minder on November 01, 2016, 11:03:03 PM
'I'm probably a bit of the victim in there. The one thing I was looking forward to was my book launch in Dublin"
Not big on the self awareness, he seems like an absolute cretin
He was gambling since he was 15. He probably neglected his education.
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2016, 02:07:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 01, 2016, 11:03:03 PM
'I'm probably a bit of the victim in there. The one thing I was looking forward to was my book launch in Dublin"
Not big on the self awareness, he seems like an absolute cretin
He was gambling since he was 15. He probably neglected his education.
Secondary school teachers don't exactly go flat out to teach teenagers about self awareness. Nor do their university counterparts, unless they are lecturing in Psychology or Philosophy. I know plenty of people who left school at 16 and/or have no third level education, and they have plenty of basic cop on about themselves & how to conduct themselves in the wider world. You don't learn that kind of stuff in a classroom, or out of a book.
McCarron on the latest second captains podcast as well. I thought he came across alot better on it than the Anton Savage interview
Quote from: Beffs on November 02, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2016, 02:07:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 01, 2016, 11:03:03 PM
'I'm probably a bit of the victim in there. The one thing I was looking forward to was my book launch in Dublin"
Not big on the self awareness, he seems like an absolute cretin
He was gambling since he was 15. He probably neglected his education.
Secondary school teachers don't exactly go flat out to teach teenagers about self awareness. Nor do their university counterparts, unless they are lecturing in Psychology or Philosophy. I know plenty of people who left school at 16 and/or have no third level education, and they have plenty of basic cop on about themselves & how to conduct themselves in the wider world. You don't learn that kind of stuff in a classroom, or out of a book.
It's part of general life education and he was hooked on gambling from age 15. He has a lot of catching up to do.
Maybe the love of a good woman would help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2LYuRzF-c8
I think this picture sums up Savage's opinion...
(http://www.todayfm.com/content/005/images/podcasts/000025/62542_player_podcast_series_1478000836_62541_328x250.jpg)
Here he is with Alan Carr!
(http://www.todayfm.com/content/005/images/podcasts/000025/62551_player_podcast_series_1478007149_62550_328x250.jpg)
Thank Christ Cathal and yer man Carr weren't on at the same time; jeebus knows what way that would've ended ;D ;)
Haven't heard the Today FM interview but part of me thinks fair play to Savage for taking a less than sympathetic line of questioning with him.
Nowadays, it seems like crying "ADDICTION!" is the non-American equivalent of asking God for forgiveness.
Basically, "I couldn't help it and you can't hold me accountable for my actions".
Plenty of people with addictions of various types, and family backgrounds much more troubled than Cathal's, would never sink to the levels of deception and depravity he did.
In general, I have a rule of thumb in life.
If I see somebody with entire paragraphs of profound inscriptions on their arms, legs, face, neck, eyeballs etc. about God & judgement and that type of thing, I file them under 'Selfish moron', and if I'm honest, 'Probable criminal tendencies'.
I hope Cathal goes on to live a happy and healthy life, but I hope much more strongly than that, that he learns to respect others and stop making excuses for his behaviour.
It seems to me that a lot of people have gone above and beyond the call of duty to help him, so it's up to him now to move forward in a positive way.
However, the more I hear and read about the chap, the more I think he's just your bog-standard manipulative liar.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 02, 2016, 11:14:37 AM
Haven't heard the Today FM interview but part of me thinks fair play to Savage for taking a less than sympathetic line of questioning with him.
Nowadays, it seems like crying "ADDICTION!" is the non-American equivalent of asking God for forgiveness.
Basically, "I couldn't help it and you can't hold me accountable for my actions".
Plenty of people with addictions of various types, and family backgrounds much more troubled than Cathal's, would never sink to the levels of deception and depravity he did.
In general, I have a rule of thumb in life.
If I see somebody with entire paragraphs of profound inscriptions on their arms, legs, face, neck, eyeballs etc. about God & judgement and that type of thing, I file them under 'Selfish moron', and if I'm honest, 'Probable criminal tendencies'.
I hope Cathal goes on to live a happy and healthy life, but I hope much more strongly than that, that he learns to respect others and stop making excuses for his behaviour.
It seems to me that a lot of people have gone above and beyond the call of duty to help him, so it's up to him now to move forward in a positive way.
However, the more I hear and read about the chap, the more I think he's just your bog-standard manipulative liar.
Sometimes there is nothing more other people can do. Christy O'connor helped to write a good book. But the work has to come from inside.
Jacobmorrisseyx
2 weeks ago
Yeah I heard about this guy Cathal he has an eight year old daughter he has not seen in four years. Next, he got a new woman pregnant and he tried to meet up with a teen girl on tinder. He seems to have serious issues he sounds like a con man to be honest. How can someone just wake up and decide to do gay porn?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
Word is McCarron has pulled out of Nolan Show due to illness... will probably be on at a later date then... ???
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
Word is McCarron has pulled out of Nolan Show due to illness... will probably be on at a later date then... ???
Nolan has confirmed that on Twitter.
Thought he spoke relatively well on second captains. It's clear he's not built for public speaking and there is also a huge element of narcissism in his personality, bordering on pathological. IMO, these impact on the ability to emphasise with him.
His response when asked about the tinder setup was telling. He appears to genuinely not understand why that dad is gunning for him. Incidentally, it sounds like he was duped by the young doll and didn't do anything illegal but he is morally corrupt and as alluded to Jinxy this appears to be deeper rooted than addiction alone.
From balls.ie. Cathal the victim....
Gavin Cooney (GC): I want to discuss the issue of the 15-year-old girl you met on Tinder. Her father spoke to the Independent and he said that "to write the book so soon after the incident and to not express any remorse. What does that tell you? It feels like he wants to cash in on what he's done". How do you respond to that?
Cathal McCarron (CC): It's a sensitive issue. I feel sorry for the father, I can see his point completely, but at the time I was writing the book, this incident happened. It happened last October, and it was going on until earlier this summer.
For me...it happened. I feel sorry for the father. At the same time, I wish it never happened. I wasn't going to talk about this, it was never going to be in the book other than he brought the spotlight to the guards and made a complaint.
From my own speaking of it, I am far from cashing in. If I had one thing I wouldn't want in the book, that would be it. Unfortunately, that's the way it is, and these things happen.
I'm probably a bit of the victim in there. The one thing I was looking forward to was my book launch in Dublin. My family and friends were going to be there, and everyone who I was going to celebrate [with] and [mark] the tough times that we've been through, and people were flying home from London. That's been postponed now because he made complaints. Look, it's a sensitive issue that is being dealt with legally, but I can understand where his anger is coming from, and I do feel sorry for him.
GC: With respect, you calling yourself a victim is an extraordinary turn of phrase.
CC: I would think that I'm a victim of....I hold my hands up for going on a dating website, and I shouldn't have been on it because I had a partner, and I take full responsibility for that. But at the same time,when someone was portraying themselves as someone they're not...If I had known the girl's age, or anything like that... When the father called me in the office, I was as shocked as anyone. I nearly fell off my chair.
When I say I'm the victim... I could have been very easily taken to court over that, and there have been incidents where lads have been. That's how I mean I'm a victim. I went into this completely unknowing as to the fact she wasn't the age she said she was.
The way I say I'm the victim is because it cost me a great night with my family and friends. Obviously, I was to appear on the Late Late Show and I didn't, because of this.
It disturbed a lot of things we had planned. I was never going to talk about this, I wasn't cashing in on this incident, I hold my hands up and say that it's unfortunate that it happened.
GC: I do want to address this for another moment or two. Don't you think you deciding not to talk about this in the book could be construed as you not thinking it's that important?
CC: It's not that. He doesn't realise the effects it's had on my family and my partner, he is thinking of it from his family. He doesn't realise the effect its had on my family. Going to the papers and them writing stories. This has an effect on me, my family, my partner, and her family. There are a lot of victims in this case and I think he isn't looking very openly with his eyes and thinking straight, to be honest.
GC: Do you feel responsible for what she is going through?
CC: Do I feel responsible for what she is going through?
GC: Yes.
CC: [Pause]... No.
GC: Have you thought of how people will think of you after they've read the book?
CC: Not really, no. that's irrelevant. There could be a million people that read that book and 500,000 people will think that 'he's an asshole'.
Put it like this: don't judge me if you haven't read the book. Read the book and then you can judge the story. If you read the book and you still think the same, well then I can't change anybody. The only person I can change is myself.
It has been an incredibly hard time these past two years, getting back and trying to be a normal human being.
I don't want people going around thinking 'Oh Jesus, I feel sorry for that man'.
I don't want pity.
I just want people to understand what I went through.
So just make sure to buy the book no matter what
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2016, 10:59:27 AM
Thank Christ Cathal and yer man Carr weren't on at the same time; jeebus knows what way that would've ended ;D ;)
Eh?
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2016, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 02, 2016, 10:59:27 AM
Thank Christ Cathal and yer man Carr weren't on at the same time; jeebus knows what way that would've ended ;D ;)
Eh?
Must be Tommy Carr. Imagine the two of them talking total shite!
Don't judge me for
Stealing money and lying for over 10 years from numerous people
Fighting and assaulting numerous people
Never mine many other offences
Yet judge me once u read the book!!
He's been clean 5 mins and he's writing a book. Should never have been writing a book at this stage
Stephen Nolan just explained why "controversial Tyrone star" Cathal McCarron won't be on show. This is the face of Tyrone GAA... Jesus wept.
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
Stephen Nolan just explained why "controversial Tyrone star" Cathal McCarron won't be on show. This is the face of Tyrone GAA... Jesus wept.
The expression and pause from Nolan as he explained the withdrawal seemed to show he didn't really believe the reasons given.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 02, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
Stephen Nolan just explained why "controversial Tyrone star" Cathal McCarron won't be on show. This is the face of Tyrone GAA... Jesus wept.
The expression and pause from Nolan as he explained the withdrawal seemed to show he didn't really believe the reasons given.
Does anyone?
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 02, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2016, 11:03:45 PM
Stephen Nolan just explained why "controversial Tyrone star" Cathal McCarron won't be on show. This is the face of Tyrone GAA... Jesus wept.
The expression and pause from Nolan as he explained the withdrawal seemed to show he didn't really believe the reasons given.
It's not Throne GAA. That's just a football team. It's not Christy O'Connor. He just writes books. It's not Nolan. That's just light entertainment. You can take or leave any of those.
It is an important book but something is still not right.
There is probably no need for a book launch anyway given all the media attention.
Another interview in the Star today.
I think at this point he's damaging sales of his book.
That's enough now Cathal, give it (and us) a rest.
http://www.irishbookawards.irish/award/the-bord-gais-energy-sports-book-of-the-year-2016/
Cathal didn't show on Nolan last night, maybe afraid of the tone the big lad may have used to quiz some of his behaviour. Or he is tired of being quizzed. Be interesting to see if he reschedules this.
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on November 03, 2016, 10:33:21 AM
Cathal didn't show on Nolan last night, maybe afraid of the tone the big lad may have used to quiz some of his behaviour. Or he is tired of being quizzed. Be interesting to see if he reschedules this.
I think he's upset that the most recent interviews haven't been full of pity for him and instead are challenging him.
He was in Court recently on assault charge, not exactly keeping his head down.
I think he was fully expecting a similar sort of response that Oisin got. He appears to lack the self awareness of the differences in the two stories. His use of the term victim when describing his tinder mess underlines this massively.
Bar sneaking/cheating behind his GF back he sort of was no?
Although the word "victim" dramatizes his role in this, he was still being a sneaky sod!
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2016, 10:13:28 AM
http://www.irishbookawards.irish/award/the-bord-gais-energy-sports-book-of-the-year-2016/
Tony has bought all but one of them already.
Does anyone know the payback on authoring a book? Do you depend mostly on the size of the advance?
Surely, to make a reasonable income, sales would need to exceed 100K. The cost of hardback and softback print editions must be very high, the loss expected on pulping or bargain binning a significant percentage would raise costs and the return from highly discounted eBooks would be low per copy.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 03, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
Does anyone know the payback on authoring a book? Do you depend mostly on the size of the advance?
Surely, to make a reasonable income, sales would need to exceed 100K. The cost of hardback and softback print editions must be very high, the loss expected on pulping or bargain binning a significant percentage would raise costs and the return from highly discounted eBooks would be low per copy.
I remember Henry Martin (Unlimited Heartbreak author) saying that you make very little from GAA books/autobiographies
My guess is the primary aim of this book is to paint himself as a victim of a terrible disease which excuses his behaviour so that perhaps his peers will pity him and allow him integrate back into normal society.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 03, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
Does anyone know the payback on authoring a book? Do you depend mostly on the size of the advance?
Surely, to make a reasonable income, sales would need to exceed 100K. The cost of hardback and softback print editions must be very high, the loss expected on pulping or bargain binning a significant percentage would raise costs and the return from highly discounted eBooks would be low per copy.
Ebooks don't have print costs.margins are probabl'y better
2015 was a bumper year for book sales in Ireland with a 11% increase from 2014. The best sellers were:
The Girl on the Train (60,476 sales)
Grandpa's Great Escape, the latest David Walliams (44,100)
Animal Activities in the Woods (36,000);
Old School: Diary of a Wimpy Kid, the latest Jeff Kinney (33,100)
Grey: Fifty Shades of Grey as Told by Christian (27,696);
Anne Enright's The Green Road (27,300);
Joe Duffy's The Children of the Rising (26,000);
Irelandopedia by John and Fatti Burke(23,300);
Until Victory Always by Jim McGuinness and Keith Duggan (23,100);
Brooklyn by Colm Tóibín (22,600).
Not a lot of books are sold in Ireland per annum.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 03, 2016, 11:05:06 PM
2015 was a bumper year for book sales in Ireland with a 11% increase from 2014. The best sellers were:
The Girl on the Train (60,476 sales)
Grandpa's Great Escape, the latest David Walliams (44,100)
Animal Activities in the Woods (36,000);
Old School: Diary of a Wimpy Kid, the latest Jeff Kinney (33,100)
Grey: Fifty Shades of Grey as Told by Christian (27,696);
Anne Enright's The Green Road (27,300);
Joe Duffy's The Children of the Rising (26,000);
Irelandopedia by John and Fatti Burke(23,300);
Until Victory Always by Jim McGuinness and Keith Duggan (23,100);
Brooklyn by Colm Tóibín (22,600).
Not a lot of books are sold in Ireland per annum.
Is that inclusive of eBooks?
Not sure but it is provided by Neilson who are providers of book sales data to the publishing industry.
Check out the weekly sales figures provided by them:
https://www.writing.ie/category/news/irish-bestseller-lists/ (https://www.writing.ie/category/news/irish-bestseller-lists/)
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 03, 2016, 11:20:55 PM
Not sure but it is provided by Neilson who are providers of book sales data to the publishing industry.
Check out the weekly sales figures provided by them:
https://www.writing.ie/category/news/irish-bestseller-lists/ (https://www.writing.ie/category/news/irish-bestseller-lists/)
D'oh.
There goes get rich quick plan #2.
How big is the Euromillions?
How much do you earn from writing a book? From http://www.writersservices.com/resources/advances-royalties-inside-publishing (http://www.writersservices.com/resources/advances-royalties-inside-publishing)
Writers are generally paid a royalty based on their book sales. Publishers usually offer to pay authors advances against royalties. The general advice is to insist on an advance if at all possible. An advance is literally an advance payment and royalties on sales of the book are set against it. It is not normally refundable, provided that the author fulfils their part of the contract.
If the book is written and doesn't need more work, then the advance might be paid in two parts, on signature and publication. The royalties can be based either on a percentage of the published price of the book or on what is called the 'price received', i.e. a percentage of the publisher's receipts from the booksellers, which is a much lower figure.
There's also a tendency in trade publishing to move towards price received, because of the high discounts publishers give booksellers and because publishers would prefer to pay a royalty based on a lower figure.
Publishers sell books to booksellers at a discount off the published price, which can vary from 35% for small independent bookshops to 60%, 70% or even higher, for the chains, the supermarkets and online booksellers, which buy in bulk. So with a typical 50% discount on a book retailing through the bookshop chains at £20, the publisher would get £10 from the bookseller to cover all their costs, including the author's royalties, their overheads and distribution, and the production cost of the book. Their margins really are quite tight.
Many publishers believe that the UK has the highest discounts in the world, but discounts are under pressure in all the major English-speaking countries, as publishers and booksellers try to maintain their margins.
Hardback royalties on the published price of trade books usually range from 10% to 12.5%, with 15% for big authors. On paperback it is usually 7.5% to 10%, going up to 12.5% only in exceptional cases. Other kinds of publishers will offer lower royalties, often based on the price received. High discounts paid to supermarkets, chains or online booksellers will invoke the 'high discount' clause, meaning that the author will get a considerably lower royalty on copies sold this way.
Royalties are often on a sliding scale, which is to say that you might be offered 7.5% to 10,000 and 10% thereafter on a paperback edition.
23,100 sales for Jim McGuinness at an assumed average of £10 per copy across all formats would have provided a gross of £231,000. 7.5% on first 10,000 or £100,000 would be £7,500 and 10% on remaining 13,100 copies or £131,000 would give £13,100. So the joint authors may have taken £20,500 between them.
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 03, 2016, 11:42:18 PM
How much do you earn from writing a book? From http://www.writersservices.com/resources/advances-royalties-inside-publishing (http://www.writersservices.com/resources/advances-royalties-inside-publishing)
Writers are generally paid a royalty based on their book sales. Publishers usually offer to pay authors advances against royalties. The general advice is to insist on an advance if at all possible. An advance is literally an advance payment and royalties on sales of the book are set against it. It is not normally refundable, provided that the author fulfils their part of the contract.
If the book is written and doesn't need more work, then the advance might be paid in two parts, on signature and publication. The royalties can be based either on a percentage of the published price of the book or on what is called the 'price received', i.e. a percentage of the publisher's receipts from the booksellers, which is a much lower figure.
There's also a tendency in trade publishing to move towards price received, because of the high discounts publishers give booksellers and because publishers would prefer to pay a royalty based on a lower figure.
Publishers sell books to booksellers at a discount off the published price, which can vary from 35% for small independent bookshops to 60%, 70% or even higher, for the chains, the supermarkets and online booksellers, which buy in bulk. So with a typical 50% discount on a book retailing through the bookshop chains at £20, the publisher would get £10 from the bookseller to cover all their costs, including the author's royalties, their overheads and distribution, and the production cost of the book. Their margins really are quite tight.
Many publishers believe that the UK has the highest discounts in the world, but discounts are under pressure in all the major English-speaking countries, as publishers and booksellers try to maintain their margins.
Hardback royalties on the published price of trade books usually range from 10% to 12.5%, with 15% for big authors. On paperback it is usually 7.5% to 10%, going up to 12.5% only in exceptional cases. Other kinds of publishers will offer lower royalties, often based on the price received. High discounts paid to supermarkets, chains or online booksellers will invoke the 'high discount' clause, meaning that the author will get a considerably lower royalty on copies sold this way.
Royalties are often on a sliding scale, which is to say that you might be offered 7.5% to 10,000 and 10% thereafter on a paperback edition.
23,100 sales for Jim McGuinness at an assumed average of £10 per copy across all formats would have provided a gross of £231,000. 7.5% on first 10,000 or £100,000 would be £7,500 and 10% on remaining 13,100 copies or £131,000 would give £13,100. So the joint authors may have taken £20,500 between them.
I don't think it's about the money. Books bring people places. They raise profiles and lead to other stuff
Ghostwriters must make some money or be given a higher portion of the royalties.
Just read it, it's a pedestrian, cliche ridden , self promotion excercise.
Couldn't bring myself to buy the book but got my hands on a digital bootleg copy ad I'm about 6 chapters in. Before any scandal about McCarron I had heard a good few stories and never liked him for it then all the scandal came out and that didn't help but before I started the book I still remained open to the possibility that I'd maybe judged too early and I would read the book and take a different view of the lad. If that was the case I said I'll buy the book and give it to someone.
My money is safe.
I had a feeling it was another con job and thats how I feel when reading it. Mickey Harte is rarely taken for a fool but Cathal McCarron has pulled it off!!!
Why would anyone buy it. He shouldn't be making a penny out of it.
I've read the book, finished it last night. Found it a tough enough read for the first few chapters and thought that it was going to be good read the whole way, but it wasn't. It seemed to be everybody else faults and how he was the victim.
Oisin McConvilles book was a different kettle of fish totally. I felt genuine sorrow when I read it and what he came through. McCarron just seems to want to pass the blame on to his Mum & Dad.
Gambling addiction is a terrible illness to happen to anybody or family as I know from personal experience, when it came to my door the person in question was remorseful, put their hands up and got whatever help they needed.
Quote from: longballin on November 02, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
Word is McCarron has pulled out of Nolan Show due to illness... will probably be on at a later date then... ???
Good to see he has recovered enough to be at the All Stars tonight.
McConvilles is a good read. His success with Crossmaglen and Armagh too.
McCarrons antics were fairly recent. Why not wait till he retired from County football, and bring his book out. It's like a quick fix for all the money he blew gambling.
Quite an explosive revelation tonight by Gilroy.
I think it shows that those of us who were cynical to the father's protestations about duty to his daughter were correct when he is bringing that type of information to the public light and shedding yet more spotlight on the matter certainly is not good for his daughter.
The father seems to be on a crusade to crucify McCarron, rightfully or wrongly.
McCarron becomes less and less likeable the more he speaks.
OMG
Did not know that - im assuming gilroy is 100% certain that is fact or there would be a very big court case.
I was always very sceptical about how i felt about mccarron - but after thag for some reason i feel like gilroy is in the wrong. I know i shouldnt but i do - if he wasnt prosecuted surely that should be the end of it?
Just listened to the interview. No one comes out of it looking good. I didn't realise there was an accusation that McCarron had sexual contact with the girl (I'd be sceptical about the whole honest mistake defence but that's another matter) and I don't think Gilroy went the right way about asking questions on such a sensitive topic.
It's not for me to tell someone how to raise their children but it seems to me the da is lookin a payout or something, don't go running to radio shows yapping about HIV tests like a drama queen, I'm sure the girl has been through enough without this story being dragged through the media. Appeal through the courts if you truly think you've been victim of a misjudgment.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 01, 2016, 11:44:09 PM
Quite an explosive revelation tonight by Gilroy.
I think it shows that those of us who were cynical to the father's protestations about duty to his daughter were correct when he is bringing that type of information to the public light and shedding yet more spotlight on the matter certainly is not good for his daughter.
The father seems to be on a crusade to crucify McCarron, rightfully or wrongly.
The book is called out of control.
And it is a good name.
Imagine the scene in Kildare
Junior comes down for breakfast smiling
By 11 the school knows she was with a sportsperson
So the town knew
Maybe that evening Dad knew
So he rang the rogue
The next day he found out about the gay porn
The mother must have been hysterical
The other thing is it's the daughter''s life. She decided. Very messy. Female sexuality and Dads is a complex area.
Cathal is in Dromore promoting the book next week at a Q&A session. In regard to the young girl i think most people didnt think that they had been intimate.Seems like a real messy affair which is not going to go away. He said that no matter what he had done it never affected his football performance i doubt that.
He spent 1 hour with her. They probably weren't discussing the Donegal forwards .
After he made the video his Co star asked what he thought and he said disgusted but the video is very popular in the sports fantasy niche...Some gay punter noted he had a young daughter . He was very disrespectful to the people who paid him. Fellas will be stimulating themselves via the video for years. So they have the last laugh.
It is a trail of emotional destruction. Such a long way from the decency of football.
When Niall McNamee and Oisin McConville speak about their addiction, you feel the objective is to educate others and raise awareness of how big a problem gambling is for a lot of people in this country, particularly young men.
When McCarron speaks about his addiction, you feel the objective is to provide an excuse for his appalling behaviour in general.
He's just a bad egg, plain and simple.
No one seems to be mentioning that the book had a ghost writer who is apparently a recognised sports journalist, was he aware of all of the facts? Did the book's publishing editors know what had happened and check it with their legal department or perhaps it is a self publication without such checking/protection?
Is it correct that McCarron is now training to be a psychotherapist/counsellor? How would these revelations and the 'soft' intelligence previously held by the Garda but now exposed affect any Access NI (or RoI equivalent) screening that such a role would require?
Bring the man on and talk about addiction not try and be a courtroom. From what iv heard he has done a lot of incredible work behind the scenes in helping people with addiction, he doesn't go tell the world this. Get to know the man, not listening to some spoon on the radio trying to make a name for himself and uneducated in addiction. Niall McNamee and Osin McConvilles storys are very different to McCarron he did porn the rest stole and cheated just like him in his addiction. They seem to be trying to make McCarron a fall guy, well i for 1 and many others have huge respect for the man trying to turn his life around. Enough said
Why else would he shoot gay porn jinxy? You're right to be cynical with McCarron as I am also to a certain extent, he's very incoherent in interviews and can barely string a sentence together so comes across quite badly. I wouldn't say his book is solely about excusing himself, he's hit some lows and I think part of him does want to share his story so others will seek help
http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2016/12/01/4131150-column-subtle-signs-mccarron-is-a-long-way-from-recovered/ (http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2016/12/01/4131150-column-subtle-signs-mccarron-is-a-long-way-from-recovered/)
Quote from: general_lee on December 02, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
Why else would he shoot gay porn jinxy? You're right to be cynical with McCarron as I am also to a certain extent, he's very incoherent in interviews and can barely string a sentence together so comes across quite badly. I wouldn't say his book is solely about excusing himself, he's hit some lows and I think part of him does want to share his story so others will seek help
I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about assaults, cheating on his partner etc.
Yes but the man is broken and is trying to rebuild himself. Do you think hundreds of people Millions for that matter have not done what he has ? He is in the public eye and he is being made a **** of. I could name you half of my friends that have cheated on their partners and got into rows while growing up. Big deal get over it, look at the bigger picture and look what the man is trying to do! I think if he was a Dublin footballer the situation would be totally different, because he is from the north and plays for Tyrone then this doesn't help either. Do you not agree with this Jinxy ?
So basically every post from "seanmac123" is telling us how great a fella McCarron is and the great work he is doing
And what ? Every post you seem to post is negative ? Cant help but stand up for someone i know of and i know and have heard the work he is doing. Who are we to judge anyone
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 02, 2016, 10:40:29 AM
Yes but the man is broken and is trying to rebuild himself. Do you think hundreds of people Millions for that matter have not done what he has ? He is in the public eye and he is being made a **** of. I could name you half of my friends that have cheated on their partners and got into rows while growing up. Big deal get over it, look at the bigger picture and look what the man is trying to do! I think if he was a Dublin footballer the situation would be totally different, because he is from the north and plays for Tyrone then this doesn't help either. Do you not agree with this Jinxy ?
I'm all for the siege mentality and the everyone hates us line but I don't buy it in this case! People have divided opinion on the lad but I think vast majority of people base it on the individual and not the county.
The interview shows that he clearly has more issues that just an addiction. 12 mentions of him taking part in violence in his book is astounding. These have no relations to addiction.
If you are being honest, if he was not a gaelic footballer at county level, he would of done some jail time by now. He has got away with too much and everyone runs to his defence. Of course, you can have some compassion as he dealt with a disease, but there has to be a line.
I just feel, like we are still not getting the full truth and there are more and more lies being told just to get the pound back in his pocket.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 02, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
And what ? Every post you seem to post is negative ? Cant help but stand up for someone i know of and i know and have heard the work he is doing. Who are we to judge anyone
Just had a look through Seanmc123 posts - seems to have a lot of anger issues a bit similar to McCarron in the book.
Quote from: EastTyrone on December 02, 2016, 11:05:07 AM
The interview shows that he clearly has more issues that just an addiction. 12 mentions of him taking part in violence in his book is astounding. These have no relations to addiction.
If you are being honest, if he was not a gaelic footballer at county level, he would of done some jail time by now. He has got away with too much and everyone runs to his defence. Of course, you can have some compassion as he dealt with a disease, but there has to be a line.
I just feel, like we are still not getting the full truth and there are more and more lies being told just to get the pound back in his pocket.
Just my opinion.
To be fair I don't think playing inter county football would make him escape the authorities at all. Unless it has got him better lawyers from knowing people in high places. It's not like the stuff was on the field.
Quote from: seanmc123 on October 24, 2016, 08:50:48 AM
I have read and seen enough shit on this forum which is meant to be a GAA forum.
Have some of use forgotten McCarron is a GAA man and puts his life on the line for Tyrone GAA and his club. He has had his troubles but he has turned his life around not short of a miracle. You tell me who could of done what he has done? People will judge him no matter what he does now in life but i will tell you this, the man is a very good friend of a friend of mine and he is a credit to himself and his family. If you don't know him don't judge him and that goes for everyone in life.
We should be talking about his book on how it will help many's a person in the future who will fall on their own troubles and give them hope. Anyhow i am looking forward to the 2017 season already. Nearly Christmas :)
Life of the line? This is not the hunger games.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 02, 2016, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 02, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
Why else would he shoot gay porn jinxy? You're right to be cynical with McCarron as I am also to a certain extent, he's very incoherent in interviews and can barely string a sentence together so comes across quite badly. I wouldn't say his book is solely about excusing himself, he's hit some lows and I think part of him does want to share his story so others will seek help
I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about assaults, cheating on his partner etc.
Wouldn't his biff bash brainless thuggery be normal enough for a lad from those GAA parts? hardly the stuff that would make him stand out?
Perhaps it's a collection of all the other components of his experience that would make him stand out from the horde.
Anybody got a wee link to a pdf?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on December 02, 2016, 11:05:07 AM
The interview shows that he clearly has more issues that just an addiction. 12 mentions of him taking part in violence in his book is astounding. These have no relations to addiction.
If you are being honest, if he was not a gaelic footballer at county level, he would of done some jail time by now. He has got away with too much and everyone runs to his defence. Of course, you can have some compassion as he dealt with a disease, but there has to be a line.
I just feel, like we are still not getting the full truth and there are more and more lies being told just to get the pound back in his pocket.
Just my opinion.
To be fair I don't think playing inter county football would make him escape the authorities at all. Unless it has got him better lawyers from knowing people in high places. It's not like the stuff was on the field.
I mean in the sense that people have held some sort of respect for him as a footballer and not reported him to the authorities. Of course if all had been reported, he would have been done.
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 02, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
And what ? Every post you seem to post is negative ? Cant help but stand up for someone i know of and i know and have heard the work he is doing. Who are we to judge anyone
Dunno about you, but I've never stolen from someone, assaulted someone, appeared in gay porn or hooked up with someone (15 years old) on Tinder when I'm already in a relationship.
I can say with 100% certainty that I'm a better human being than Cathal McCarron.
So I'll judge away, if it's all the same with you.
Quote from: seanmc123 on December 02, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
And what ? Every post you seem to post is negative ? Cant help but stand up for someone i know of and i know and have heard the work he is doing. Who are we to judge anyone
dont know much about the guy except that he had a bad addiction which led him to some dark places, as addiction can - that I do know.
What work has he been doing?
Cathal had a very uncomfortable time yesterday evening on Newstalk.
The interviewer asked him some really direct questions and he basically refused to answer them.
He should have refused to do a book he is so uncomfortable about it.
I read Michael Duignan's autobiography. After his wife died he had a few problems. There was one incident in a pub where he was aggressive. Some of the hurlers went to his home afterwards to see if he was ok . That was when he realised and started looking for help.
McCarron went so far beyond that. Nobody could stop him.
Only he can put the pieces back together again. Some things will never be fixable.
eir Sport has today announced the shortlist for the eir Sport Sports Book of The Year with a shortlist of five selected
The final shortlist includes; 'What do you think of that?' written by Kieran Donaghy with Kieran Shannon; Rob Heffernan's Autobiography, 'Walking Tall'; 'Out of Control' by Cathal McCarron with Christy O'Connor; 'The Battle' by Paul O'Connell and 'Spirit of '58' written by Evan Marshall
If he is working hard to help others with this addiction then fair dues. I have followed this for months and this is an intriguing story.
Listening to his interviews he sounds truly reformed character but his actions would state otherwise. He was thrust into the public eye when the porn scandal came out, and he has kept himself there with this book and the exploits he gets into as explained in the book.
I think anyone who releases an autobiography is open game for questions on any aspects of it and Gilroy was more than right to prod for more information.
Its hard to warm to McCarron to be honest but I think he has released this book far too early. I think too many of the incidents are still too raw for him to reflect on with any real sense of detachment or maturity. Had he waited a few years he may have been able to handle the press rounds a little better and any potential recriminations and further allegations regarding the young girl would already be out in the open and he wouldn't have had to field these difficult questions when promoting the book.
Or maybe all the publicity is helping him shift a few more books and he's happy enough - I just feel that his road to redemption has a fair old way to go yet and I wouldn't be confident that he would be entirely sensible with any windfall he might receive from the book sales.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 02, 2016, 01:12:04 PM
Its hard to warm to McCarron to be honest but I think he has released this book far too early. I think too many of the incidents are still too raw for him to reflect on with any real sense of detachment or maturity. Had he waited a few years he may have been able to handle the press rounds a little better and any potential recriminations and further allegations regarding the young girl would already be out in the open and he wouldn't have had to field these difficult questions when promoting the book.
Or maybe all the publicity is helping him shift a few more books and he's happy enough - I just feel that his road to redemption has a fair old way to go yet and I wouldn't be confident that he would be entirely sensible with any windfall he might receive from the book sales.
Correct, if he was genuinely remorseful for his actions he would be using the money to pay back some of the people he robbed from or some of his debts. I get the feeling though that he is really hungry for this money because he is doing a real hard sell on the book and is on doing so many interviews. That suggests to me that the money will not last long and for all the wrong reasons.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 02, 2016, 01:12:04 PM
Its hard to warm to McCarron to be honest but I think he has released this book far too early. I think too many of the incidents are still too raw for him to reflect on with any real sense of detachment or maturity. Had he waited a few years he may have been able to handle the press rounds a little better and any potential recriminations and further allegations regarding the young girl would already be out in the open and he wouldn't have had to field these difficult questions when promoting the book.
Or maybe all the publicity is helping him shift a few more books and he's happy enough - I just feel that his road to redemption has a fair old way to go yet and I wouldn't be confident that he would be entirely sensible with any windfall he might receive from the book sales.
I would agree with that!
The revelation about the sexual contact with the 15 year old is astounding and is probably a new revelation for most but dear lord!
He's massively rushed into this thing and he should have waited until he was further down the road to recovery. These things are easier to forgive the further in the past they are but a lot of his transgressions have been in the past year/2 years!!
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
They met in Kildare for 1 hour. She told her father she was meeting a friend.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
They met in Kildare for 1 hour. She told her father she was meeting a friend.
so the sexual contact quote from above is speculation then?
The father released a statement stating she had a test for HIV (tested for STDs to the rest of us) but whether that was necessary or not remains to be seen. McCarron seemed to deny sleeping with her
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 02, 2016, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
They met in Kildare for 1 hour. She told her father she was meeting a friend.
so the sexual contact quote from above is speculation then?
McCarron was asked if he had sexual contact with the 15yo, he already said that he wasn't answering questions about that incident and refused to answer that question.
The problem was that once you take the 5th Amendment, you have to keep taking it for every question asked. McCarron answered some questions on that 'controversy' but refused to answer others. That deliberate selection process enacted by McCarron then implies something to hide or some guilt on the questiuons he refused to answer. The inference that listeners could easily take was that he had sexual contact but he just refused to admit it.
I can't emphasise enough the total stupidity involved, not just with him doing the interview and seeking publicity in the first place but handling it so badly as to virtually incriminate himself as one who had a meaningless (for him) sexual encounter with an underage girl.
Whether he did or not is now besides the point, because it now believable that such a self obsessed antisocial character could do such an act.
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 02, 2016, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
They met in Kildare for 1 hour. She told her father she was meeting a friend.
so the sexual contact quote from above is speculation then?
McCarron was asked if he had sexual contact with the 15yo, he already said that he wasn't answering questions about that incident and refused to answer that question.
The problem was that once you take the 5th Amendment, you have to keep taking it for every question asked. McCarron answered some questions on that 'controversy' but refused to answer others. That deliberate selection process enacted by McCarron then implies something to hide or some guilt on the questiuons he refused to answer. The inference that listeners could easily take was that he had sexual contact but he just refused to admit it.
I can't emphasise enough the total stupidity involved, not just with him doing the interview and seeking publicity in the first place but handling it so badly as to virtually incriminate himself as one who had a meaningless (for him) sexual encounter with an underage girl.
Whether he did or not is now besides the point, because it now believable that such a self obsessed antisocial character could do such an act.
did he not say he was advised not to answer by his lawyer as there is an ongoing investigation relating to the girl?
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2016, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 02, 2016, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 02, 2016, 02:44:18 PM
Has he now came out and said he had relations with this 15 year old? I thought it was just messaging online or something?
They met in Kildare for 1 hour. She told her father she was meeting a friend.
so the sexual contact quote from above is speculation then?
McCarron was asked if he had sexual contact with the 15yo, he already said that he wasn't answering questions about that incident and refused to answer that question.
The problem was that once you take the 5th Amendment, you have to keep taking it for every question asked. McCarron answered some questions on that 'controversy' but refused to answer others. That deliberate selection process enacted by McCarron then implies something to hide or some guilt on the questions he refused to answer. The inference that listeners could easily take was that he had sexual contact but he just refused to admit it.
I can't emphasise enough the total stupidity involved, not just with him doing the interview and seeking publicity in the first place but handling it so badly as to virtually incriminate himself as one who had a meaningless (for him) sexual encounter with an underage girl.
Whether he did or not is now besides the point, because it now believable that such a self obsessed antisocial character could do such an act.
did he not say he was advised not to answer by his lawyer as there is an ongoing investigation relating to the girl?
He said something to that effect but he then enacted a selection process where he answered some easy questions connected to the controversy but refused to answer others.
From what I made of it I would say is that in the way that Gilroy phrased the comment/Question he opened himself up to serious action so must have been confident in what he was saying so what happens now will probably indicate what happened:
1. Gilroy is sued by McCarron for saying this
2. McCarron does nothing to Gilroy
I think we all know what each option indicates. So wait and see now.
Quote from: EastTyrone on December 02, 2016, 11:05:07 AM
The interview shows that he clearly has more issues that just an addiction. 12 mentions of him taking part in violence in his book is astounding. These have no relations to addiction.
If you are being honest, if he was not a gaelic footballer at county level, he would of done some jail time by now. He has got away with too much and everyone runs to his defence. Of course, you can have some compassion as he dealt with a disease, but there has to be a line.
I just feel, like we are still not getting the full truth and there are more and more lies being told just to get the pound back in his pocket.
Just my opinion.
I'd agree with this. I have little time for McCarron and he's walked away from a lot of incidents that he really should be serving a jail sentence for. I don't think he can redeem himself in my eyes and he doesn't seem to acknowledge the acts he has done or committed. The biggest thing that struck me in the book was the bit where he said Ryan Porter made an off the cuff insult to him that he shortly apologised for and McCarron said he was dead for him then he can't seem to reconcile himself with the fact that some people have every right to detest the sight of his face.
I do think Gilroy last night was out of line in his questioning about the 15 year old girl though, what is the game with this father? His initial interaction with the press was for berating McCarron for getting publicity through disclosing the charges made against him and how this was having an adverse impact on his daughter. Since then the father has been contacting any media outlet there is fueling more flames on the story, putting private details about his daughter, her mental health and sexual records in the public domain - how exactly is that helping his daughter?
I don't know all the facts but McCarron was investigated and no charges were brought, I think it was a bit of line of Gilroy making inferences about McCarron knowing what he was at when there obviously is no evidence to that extent. If McCarron is truly innocent of these allegations weighed against him then he should definitely be taking legal proceedings against Gilroy and the father.
Quote from: WT4E on December 02, 2016, 04:39:43 PM
From what I made of it I would say is that in the way that Gilroy phrased the comment/Question he opened himself up to serious action so must have been confident in what he was saying so what happens now will probably indicate what happened:
1. Gilroy is sued by McCarron for saying this
2. McCarron does nothing to Gilroy
I think we all know what each option indicates. So wait and see now.
Yeah, that would be the case but Gilroy seemed to be making inferences that McCarron was aware and got off on a "technicality". What sort of information would Gilroy have that hints at this when there wasn't evidence to bring charges forward?
Quote from: WT4E on December 02, 2016, 04:39:43 PM
From what I made of it I would say is that in the way that Gilroy phrased the comment/Question he opened himself up to serious action so must have been confident in what he was saying so what happens now will probably indicate what happened:
1. Gilroy is sued by McCarron for saying this
2. McCarron does nothing to Gilroy
I think we all know what each option indicates. So wait and see now.
There is no way Gilroy can be sued for asking a question that he had a context for asking.
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 02, 2016, 04:39:43 PM
From what I made of it I would say is that in the way that Gilroy phrased the comment/Question he opened himself up to serious action so must have been confident in what he was saying so what happens now will probably indicate what happened:
1. Gilroy is sued by McCarron for saying this
2. McCarron does nothing to Gilroy
I think we all know what each option indicates. So wait and see now.
There is no way Gilroy can be sued for asking a question that he had a context for.
Making inferences on a broadcasted primetime radio show that someone was potentially grooming a 15 year old girl is quite a loaded question to ask.
Where is Christy O'Connor in all of this mess? His role as ghost writer was prominent enough to credit him so clearly.
Why did he include the incident with the girl in the book? Did he know the full facts?
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
I think you should flesh that out a bit more.
Are you inferring McCarron knew the girl was underage, if you are then just come out and say it. The DPP accept that there is no evidence to suggest so and as far as this matter goes, it seems to be uncontested that McCarron was unaware of the fact she was underage.
The issue seems to be that McCarron should feel to need to show remorse to the girl and her family, I'm wondering why this is one way though?
McCarron was the subject of some pretty unsettling allegations that was carried by national media and was subject to a criminal investigation. Should the girl and her father come out and show remorse on this. Maybe the reaction to this with McCarron is karma catching up on him but I definitely feel it's his past going before him on this matter.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
This is a disgusting, filthy comment. Egging him on?? She was a fourteen f**king year old child. Fourteen! She was a child not just in the eyes of the law but in the eyes of any normal human being. Cop yourself on you attention seeking clown.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
The fact you'd defend Tom Humphries is a very bad sign where your head is at.
For those of you who remember the last thread, Seafoid had it shut down when he equated the McCarron case to Tom Humphries.
Looks like he is angling for the same result here.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
Wtf is going on in your head? In this one post you are insinuating McCarron is a paedophile, even though the law of the land cleared him. You blame a 14 year for her own abuse and then make a strange comment about "in the eyes of the law" as if a 14 year old isn't a child in the eyes of EVERYONE!! You need to go and lie down, your desire to post as many times as possible, on every thread leaves you posting utter diarrhea.
Quote from: StephenC on December 02, 2016, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
This is a disgusting, filthy comment. Egging him on?? She was a fourteen f**king year old child. Fourteen! She was a child not just in the eyes of the law but in the eyes of any normal human being. Cop yourself on you attention seeking clown.
Bomber asked if her age is a complete exoneration and the answer is yes.
That is the status under the law.
There's no need to get all excited. It does not matter what a child does in a case like this
Quote from: seafoid on December 03, 2016, 02:02:36 AM
Quote from: StephenC on December 02, 2016, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
This is a disgusting, filthy comment. Egging him on?? She was a fourteen f**king year old child. Fourteen! She was a child not just in the eyes of the law but in the eyes of any normal human being. Cop yourself on you attention seeking clown.
Bomber asked if her age is a complete exoneration and the answer is yes.
That is the status under the law.
There's no need to get all excited. It does not matter what a child does in a case like this
Why is her age a complete exoneration, morally?
If you are talking about a legal context, McCarron was investigated and it concluded he had no charges to answer.
This page is a mess with the abuse of the quote function.
If McCarron is going to go on radio publicising his book then surely he expects these kinds of questions. Pretty stupid not to be prepared for it - probably by making a simple apology and then saying he's unable to talk about it further.
Came across as a narcissistic tosser as well
Agree. The other radio presenters pandered about. Gilroy asked, what was meant to be asked - otherwise why have it in the book.
What evidence is there that McCarron is in any way reformed? As far as I can see this is a mercenary and opportunistic project based entirely on self interest.
Read the book, have met McCarron on occasion would not say I know him. So here is my take the book is one of the most honest autobiographies I have ever read. It's all there good bad or indifferent. He is self absorbed so are a lot of people, he is a victim of an addiction and yes he may not be the nicest human being. Do I think he did anything with the 15 year old girl, well if there were any shred of proof I am sure in a high profile case the gardai would throw the book at him so obviously not. The girls dad is her dad so he has to do what he has to do. McCarron is trying to sell a book and Ger Gilroy is trying to sell a show. Gilroy's interview was bullshit of the highest order and only served off the ball. I am not sure why McCarron is doing this book as it is tough mentally. He is not a poster boy for the GAA but his book is probably one of the better GAA biographies.
Deciding on whether to proceed to prosecution for an offence does not solely depend on the innocence or guilt of the individual. The probability of achieving a conviction and the cost of the prosecution are main factors taken into consideration by the prosecutors when considering the evidence supplied by the investigating team. In the North, after failure to prosecute by the PPS, it is possible for the complainant to take a civil prosecution, not sure if the RoI jurisdiction has the same option. After a successful civil prosecution the victim is made a financial award to be paid by the offender and may be required to pay the costs involved.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on December 03, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Read the book, have met McCarron on occasion would not say I know him. So here is my take the book is one of the most honest autobiographies I have ever read. It's all there good bad or indifferent. He is self absorbed so are a lot of people, he is a victim of an addiction and yes he may not be the nicest human being. Do I think he did anything with the 15 year old girl, well if there were any shred of proof I am sure in a high profile case the gardai would throw the book at him so obviously not. The girls dad is her dad so he has to do what he has to do. McCarron is trying to sell a book and Ger Gilroy is trying to sell a show. Gilroy's interview was bullshit of the highest order and only served off the ball. I am not sure why McCarron is doing this book as it is tough mentally. He is not a poster boy for the GAA but his book is probably one of the better GAA autobiographysies.
Fixed that for you. If it wasnt for Christy O'Connor we wouldnt be talking about this. He obviously saw it as a commercial opportunity and fair play I hope he does well out of it...top class writer...dealing with subject matter that a lot of people dont like but thats the way of the world.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on December 03, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Read the book, have met McCarron on occasion would not say I know him. So here is my take the book is one of the most honest autobiographies I have ever read. It's all there good bad or indifferent. He is self absorbed so are a lot of people, he is a victim of an addiction and yes he may not be the nicest human being. Do I think he did anything with the 15 year old girl, well if there were any shred of proof I am sure in a high profile case the gardai would throw the book at him so obviously not. The girls dad is her dad so he has to do what he has to do. McCarron is trying to sell a book and Ger Gilroy is trying to sell a show. Gilroy's interview was bullshit of the highest order and only served off the ball. I am not sure why McCarron is doing this book as it is tough mentally. He is not a poster boy for the GAA but his book is probably one of the better GAA autobiographys.
You need more than a shred of evidence to charge and convict anyone. The odds are stacked against victims. Have a read for example on how many rapes result in a prosecution.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 03, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on December 03, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Read the book, have met McCarron on occasion would not say I know him. So here is my take the book is one of the most honest autobiographies I have ever read. It's all there good bad or indifferent. He is self absorbed so are a lot of people, he is a victim of an addiction and yes he may not be the nicest human being. Do I think he did anything with the 15 year old girl, well if there were any shred of proof I am sure in a high profile case the gardai would throw the book at him so obviously not. The girls dad is her dad so he has to do what he has to do. McCarron is trying to sell a book and Ger Gilroy is trying to sell a show. Gilroy's interview was bullshit of the highest order and only served off the ball. I am not sure why McCarron is doing this book as it is tough mentally. He is not a poster boy for the GAA but his book is probably one of the better GAA autobiographysies.
Fixed that for you. If it wasnt for Christy O'Connor we wouldnt be talking about this. He obviously saw it as a commercial opportunity and fair play I hope he does well out of it...top class writer...dealing with subject matter that a lot of people dont like but thats the way of the world.
He's lost a lot of my respect by enabling this lad. You could write a better story on the writing of this book and the thought processes involved.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 03, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
If McCarron is going to go on radio publicising his book then surely he expects these kinds of questions. Pretty stupid not to be prepared for it - probably by making a simple apology and then saying he's unable to talk about it further.
Came across as a narcissistic t**ser as well
He is a narcissist and not the smartest sandwich in the picnic basket.
He keeps on coming back to being disappointed about not having the party.
The whole story is quite sad .
There were over 200,000 views of his video.
I don't know how he got involved in that.
Fair play to Tyrone for bringing him back in from the wilderness.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 03, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on December 03, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
Read the book, have met McCarron on occasion would not say I know him. So here is my take the book is one of the most honest autobiographies I have ever read. It's all there good bad or indifferent. He is self absorbed so are a lot of people, he is a victim of an addiction and yes he may not be the nicest human being. Do I think he did anything with the 15 year old girl, well if there were any shred of proof I am sure in a high profile case the gardai would throw the book at him so obviously not. The girls dad is her dad so he has to do what he has to do. McCarron is trying to sell a book and Ger Gilroy is trying to sell a show. Gilroy's interview was bullshit of the highest order and only served off the ball. I am not sure why McCarron is doing this book as it is tough mentally. He is not a poster boy for the GAA but his book is probably one of the better GAA autobiographysies.
Fixed that for you. If it wasnt for Christy O'Connor we wouldnt be talking about this. He obviously saw it as a commercial opportunity and fair play I hope he does well out of it...top class writer...dealing with subject matter that a lot of people dont like but thats the way of the world.
Merci
Honest question how many have read the book?
I read it cover to cover...well written. Emotive subjects covered...addiction, violence, theft, thuggery, gay porn. O'Connor played a blinder...however not sure what Cathal was thinking producing the book at this stage...odd.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 04, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I read it cover to cover...well written. Emotive subjects covered...addiction, violence, theft, thuggery, gay porn. O'Connor played a blinder...however not sure what Cathal was thinking producing the book at this stage...odd.
Totally agree
Cathal lasted five minutes after coming on in the second half of the county league final. Martial art punch i think.
Quote from: skeog on December 04, 2016, 07:11:29 PM
Cathal lasted five minutes after coming on in the second half of the county league final. Martial art punch i think.
No choice but to defend himself with 3 or 4 boys throwing punches at him, what else could he do?
Quote from: PMG1 on December 04, 2016, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: skeog on December 04, 2016, 07:11:29 PM
Cathal lasted five minutes after coming on in the second half of the county league final. Martial art punch i think.
No choice but to defend himself with 3 or 4 boys throwing punches at him, what else could he do?
Always the victim, that will have to go into revision 2
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Statement by the father, presented to media, read out on public radio. Did you not listen to the interview?
That defines 'information being in the public domain'.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 04, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I read it cover to cover...well written. Emotive subjects covered...addiction, violence, theft, thuggery, gay porn. O'Connor played a blinder...however not sure what Cathal was thinking producing the book at this stage...odd.
5 Sams
Did you ever read Nora Mharcais Bhig?
https://prezi.com/wnc39adwnbb3/nora-mharcais-bhig/
An coimhlint i gcroi an duine...idir an maitheas agus an t-olcas...
saol na cathrach vs saol na tuaithe....
http://www.slideshare.net/Gaeilge2015/nora-mharcais-bhig
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cathal-mccarron-s-interview-a-gamble-the-tyrone-player-lost-1.2892680
There's every chance that if McCarron continues along the same path he's on, he'll end up in credit over time. But that feels a distance away just yet.
After reading his book, you're left with a sense if Cathal McCarron had gone his whole life without betting so much as a penny, he would still be an unusually violent, belligerent loose cannon with a sharpened sense of victimhood.
You want to have sympathy for McCarron the addict because the torment that pushed him to the brink of throwing himself in front of a tube train in London is obviously real.
But to do that, you have to make yourself be okay with McCarron the person and that is harder to do.
His book tour gambled on nobody drilling too far down into this contradiction.
Another bet lost
Quote from: skeog on December 04, 2016, 07:11:29 PM
Cathal lasted five minutes after coming on in the second half of the county league final. Martial art punch i think.
Describe this to me.
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cathal-mccarron-s-interview-a-gamble-the-tyrone-player-lost-1.2892680
There's every chance that if McCarron continues along the same path he's on, he'll end up in credit over time. But that feels a distance away just yet.
After reading his book, you're left with a sense if Cathal McCarron had gone his whole life without betting so much as a penny, he would still be an unusually violent, belligerent loose cannon with a sharpened sense of victimhood.
You want to have sympathy for McCarron the addict because the torment that pushed him to the brink of throwing himself in front of a tube train in London is obviously real.
But to do that, you have to make yourself be okay with McCarron the person and that is harder to do.
His book tour gambled on nobody drilling too far down into this contradiction.
Another bet lost
Any chance you can post the article?
Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on December 05, 2016, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cathal-mccarron-s-interview-a-gamble-the-tyrone-player-lost-1.2892680
There's every chance that if McCarron continues along the same path he's on, he'll end up in credit over time. But that feels a distance away just yet.
After reading his book, you're left with a sense if Cathal McCarron had gone his whole life without betting so much as a penny, he would still be an unusually violent, belligerent loose cannon with a sharpened sense of victimhood.
You want to have sympathy for McCarron the addict because the torment that pushed him to the brink of throwing himself in front of a tube train in London is obviously real.
But to do that, you have to make yourself be okay with McCarron the person and that is harder to do.
His book tour gambled on nobody drilling too far down into this contradiction.
Another bet lost
Any chance you can post the article?
The thought struck during one of the interminably awkward pauses between Cathal McCarron and Ger Gilroy the other night that we were listening to the radio equivalent of a bet gone wrong.
The Tyrone defender has been doing the circuit to promote his book, Out Of Control, over the past month and always in the background has loomed the family of the 15-year-old girl with whom he had a Tinder encounter in 2015 and their opposition to him being afforded any publicity at all.
For the most part, the background is where the story has stayed. Understandably enough, most media outlets have been leery about getting tangled up in the weeds of it.
Even though it's been through the legal process and the DPP has decided McCarron had no case to answer, it was just too much of a minefield to chance walking into, especially given the distress of the family.
McCarron likely assumed his Off The Ball interview on Newstalk would go the same way. But right there, in the gaping silences of the closing five minutes of his interview with Gilroy, you could hear the gears turning as the grim truth dawned. His answers became shorter, more scattershot, less coherent, more defiant.
Even if Gilroy's intention was to give voice to an unknown and largely silenced family, the upshot was a glimpse into the mind of a gambler in trouble. McCarron must have felt that familiar, gradual untethering during the interview, the sense of a situation that was getting away from him, that could go anywhere. He said a while ago that he hasn't had a bet since April Fool's Day 2014. But gambling is almost never about the money to someone who has a problem.
Addiction
One of the aspects of addiction that makes it so toxic is the fact it's so unknowable. An addict cedes control without knowing really why. Control over yourself, control over consequences. There is no A + B = C. There is just A and when nothing matters beyond A, you can't know where it will all lead. And if you don't know, then nobody around you can possibly know. And so it goes, a wretched oil spill of badness whose outer boundaries are a poisonous mystery to all involved.
The lucky ones come out the other side with some vestige of a life left to tend to. Oddly enough, the unknowable side to addiction becomes a help at this stage. Because nobody really knows what you went through to get yourself clean/dry/bet-free, there's a decent chance of forgiveness for any and all past sins as long as you show willing.
The addict benefits from getting another chance, the people around the addict benefit from a life drained of the old drama.
McCarron robbed from family, friends, the local community in Tyrone and myriad others but because overcoming addiction is such a brutal road to walk, society in general is largely okay with looking past all that and moving on with a clean – or cleanish – slate. He became an addiction counsellor and is training to become a psychotherapist. That's action to back up talk and people respond well to it.
Apart from anything else, it could well turn out to be incredibly important action.
Chances are, society is going to need addiction counselling with gambling specialisation to become a growth industry over the coming decade.
Just last week, the Gambling Commission in the UK released a report claiming that 16 per cent of 11-15-year-olds in England and Wales are spending their own money on gambling on a weekly basis.
Addiction services
Unsurprisingly, it was found to be twice as prevalent in boys of that age (21%) than girls (11%). When one in every five schoolboys who are still more than three years away from legal gambling age are already having a bet of some kind at least once a week, the prospect of what's coming down the tracks is scary.
In Ireland, a report last summer claimed that addiction services have come across problem gamblers as young as nine years old, so we are in no position to presume it's just a UK problem.
In this world, we are going to desperately need more ex-gamblers to become counsellors and psychotherapists and teachers and Gardaí and sports coaches and all the rest.
All available evidence says the gambling problem will get worse before it gets better.
There's every chance that if McCarron continues along the same path he's on, he'll end up in credit over time. But that feels a distance away just yet.
After reading his book, you're left with a sense if Cathal McCarron had gone his whole life without betting so much as a penny, he would still be an unusually violent, belligerent loose cannon with a sharpened sense of victimhood.
You want to have sympathy for McCarron the addict because the torment that pushed him to the brink of throwing himself in front of a tube train in London is obviously real.
But to do that, you have to make yourself be okay with McCarron the person and that is harder to do.
His book tour gambled on nobody drilling too far down into this contradiction.
Another bet lost.
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
Seafoid,
Stating the obvious here, but Humphries knowingly got involved with a 14 year old girl and he knew her age all along. In McCarrons defence the girl he got involved with was on websites where you had to be 18, told him she had a car and so forth, so he must have been convinced she was over the age of consent. The Guards seem to have taken this stance as well and that is very different to Humphries actions which were reprehensible.
Seafoid. There's absolutely no comparison between Humphries' actions and McCarron's. None. It's more than a little weird that you'd suggest there was.
FWIW, I think McCarron is just a bad guy all round. He's suffered from addiction but seems to think that excuses each and every trampish action that he's involved himself in. It doesn't. He hasn't had a bet since April 2014 but he's been beating guys up and cheating on his missus. I believe him when he says he thought the girl was over 18 though.
He may get away from the gambling but he'll never get away from the fact that he's a sc**bag.
Quote from: Franko on December 05, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Seafoid. There's absolutely no comparison between Humphries' actions and McCarron's. None. It's more than a little weird that you'd suggest there was.
FWIW, I think McCarron is just a bad guy all round. He's suffered from addiction but seems to think that excuses each and every trampish action that he's involved himself in. It doesn't. He hasn't had a bet since April 2014 but he's been beating guys up and cheating on his missus. I believe him when he says he thought the girl was over 18 though.
He may get away from the gambling but he'll never get away from the fact that he's a sc**bag.
You believe when he met the girl, that he still believed she was over 18?
Quote from: johnneycool on December 05, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Gilroy was using info in the public domain
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/exclusive-late-late-with-controversial-tyrone-star-must-not-go-ahead-father-of-girl-15-who-met-gaa-player-after-tinder-match-35150212.html
After a few weeks of conversing with women online he decided to meet up with one of them.
"I was texting this girl from Kildare, We arranged to meet that night in Kildare town. I was on my way to a GA [Gamblers Anonymous] meeting in Athy. I know the contradiction is ridiculous.
"The girl said she drove an old-style Jaguar. She sent me a picture of the car. I think it was red."
He explained that she had spoken about college and he told her about his job during "harmless online chat".
"When we met she looked at least nineteen or twenty."
McCarron claims that the first time he realised the girl was in fact 15 was two weeks later when her father called him at work.
He said that when he learned this "a weakness came over" him.
"I was in shock. I also felt I hadn't the right to say anything to the man. Part of me could understand his anger."
He admits that a week later he was interviewed by two gardaí in Kildare station about the incident. This was the same night as the GAA All Stars function in the Convention Centre in Dublin.
He said: "I made a mistake, but this was the most innocent misjudgement I ever made."
In July of this year the DPP decided not to prosecute McCarron over the case and in a letter sent to the girl's parents a senior prosecutor outlines that the defence of "honest mistake" was accepted by the office.
"In this case there was evidence to support this defence. The suspect and your daughter initially made contact on a website that required legal age to be on the website of 18 years of age. Her Facebook page had a date of birth which showed her to be 19 years of age. The suspect said he believed her to be 19 years of age.
"The lawyer concluded that it would not be possible for the prosecution to overcome this defence and that therefore there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction."
The victim's father explained that he was not aware that his daughter was meeting with McCarron on October 22, 2015.
"My daughter wouldn't have many friends. She never goes out, she never goes to a teenage disco. None of that ever goes on.
"We were curtailing the amount of time she spent online. But we weren't monitoring it very closely."
He continued: "That Monday night she asked to go to meet her friend for coffee from school. She showed me the text where they arranged to meet. I dropped her up the road to Kildare Village. She was dropped at 6pm and she was to be picked up at 7pm.
"Her mother went in at 7 and there was no sign of her. The place was closed, panic started and I got a bad feeling. I said 'there is something wrong here'.
"Eventually she turned up outside Tesco at twenty past seven. So we gave her a telling off and the whole lot."
He continued: "We didn't know anything until she went to school the next day, that was Tuesday. We got word back then. A neighbour rang my wife and said that our daughter was going around the school and telling everyone that she was with a guy"
The allegation McCarron had sex with the girl was not in the public domain?
The inference that he got off on a technicality rather than he was duped into believing he was not committing a crime is quite a dangerous line of questioning to go down.
What age, morally, does a person become accountable for their actions? Surely the girl's family have to acknowledge her role in this? Is her age really a complete exoneration for her role?
I don't think many paedos would get away with that defence. She was 15 and a child
Tom Humphries destroyed his life and career over a 14 year old who may have been egging him on. who knows `?But in the eyes of the law she was a child.
Seafoid,
Stating the obvious here, but Humphries knowingly got involved with a 14 year old girl and he knew her age all along. In McCarrons defence the girl he got involved with was on websites where you had to be 18, told him she had a car and so forth, so he must have been convinced she was over the age of consent. The Guards seem to have taken this stance as well and that is very different to Humphries actions which were reprehensible.
It's even worse than that, he was her mentor in a position of responsibility.
Lads
I would recommend parking the other discussion as the journalist in question was never found guilty.
In fact I don't think he was even arraigned due to medical issues.
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: Franko on December 05, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Seafoid. There's absolutely no comparison between Humphries' actions and McCarron's. None. It's more than a little weird that you'd suggest there was.
FWIW, I think McCarron is just a bad guy all round. He's suffered from addiction but seems to think that excuses each and every trampish action that he's involved himself in. It doesn't. He hasn't had a bet since April 2014 but he's been beating guys up and cheating on his missus. I believe him when he says he thought the girl was over 18 though.
He may get away from the gambling but he'll never get away from the fact that he's a sc**bag.
You believe when he met the girl, that he still believed she was over 18?
Yeah, I do. Young girls nowadays can make themselves look so much older than they are. Now if he'd said he thought she was 27 (for example) I'd have called bullshit, but 15 to 19, I believe.
I believe he thought he was 18 as well.
It's just that underage sex is a legal issue because an underage person is not deemed responsible enough to decide that they want to raise a child, basically.
Any teacher that has a fling with a pupil is in serious trouble.
The newstalk interview starts off with an ad for gambling. Jesus.
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 01:55:26 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 04, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I read it cover to cover...well written. Emotive subjects covered...addiction, violence, theft, thuggery, gay porn. O'Connor played a blinder...however not sure what Cathal was thinking producing the book at this stage...odd.
5 Sams
Did you ever read Nora Mharcais Bhig?
https://prezi.com/wnc39adwnbb3/nora-mharcais-bhig/
An coimhlint i gcroi an duine...idir an maitheas agus an t-olcas...
saol na cathrach vs saol na tuaithe....
http://www.slideshare.net/Gaeilge2015/nora-mharcais-bhig
Fadó....
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
I believe he thought he was 18 as well.
It's just that underage sex is a legal issue because an underage person is not deemed responsible enough to decide that they want to raise a child, basically.
Any teacher that has a fling with a pupil is in serious trouble.
The newstalk interview starts off with an ad for gambling. Jesus.
There is nothing wrong with gambling no more than alcohol - the issue is compulsive gambling.
Quote from: Franko on December 05, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: Franko on December 05, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Seafoid. There's absolutely no comparison between Humphries' actions and McCarron's. None. It's more than a little weird that you'd suggest there was.
FWIW, I think McCarron is just a bad guy all round. He's suffered from addiction but seems to think that excuses each and every trampish action that he's involved himself in. It doesn't. He hasn't had a bet since April 2014 but he's been beating guys up and cheating on his missus. I believe him when he says he thought the girl was over 18 though.
He may get away from the gambling but he'll never get away from the fact that he's a sc**bag.
You believe when he met the girl, that he still believed she was over 18?
Yeah, I do. Young girls nowadays can make themselves look so much older than they are. Now if he'd said he thought she was 27 (for example) I'd have called bullshit, but 15 to 19, I believe.
You mean she would come to that date all dressed up to the 9's with loads of make-up and be able to hide her age?
possibly yes on looks but I doubt the charade could be kept up during conversation, however I suppose it's possible that all rational judgement could be suspended if the man just wanted sex, but when it comes to believing McCarron's word on the matter, that would be a leap too far.
And we have the evidence that the father dropped her off so she would in all probability be dressed casually without the overkill make-up.
And even more believability is lost by his need to have his account of the 'incident' included in his book as in how the experience affected him, this is what my addiction made me do and not a sensible awareness in his head of how the encounter affected the girl emotionally and in the context of her family's reaction. The glaringly sensible thing would be to have excluded it totally, that's why it's inclusion smacks
of protesting too much.
Quote from: longballin on December 05, 2016, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
I believe he thought he was 18 as well.
It's just that underage sex is a legal issue because an underage person is not deemed responsible enough to decide that they want to raise a child, basically.
Any teacher that has a fling with a pupil is in serious trouble.
The newstalk interview starts off with an ad for gambling. Jesus.
There is nothing wrong with gambling no more than alcohol - the issue is compulsive gambling.
Gambling is basically unregulated
McCarron said in an interview it was an escape where he didn't feel anger.
The book won't lead to any review of gambling laws.
The costs are borne by society. Same as the costs of alcohol and selling sugar to people.
Society will pay for everything. It's grand.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2016, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 05, 2016, 01:55:26 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 04, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I read it cover to cover...well written. Emotive subjects covered...addiction, violence, theft, thuggery, gay porn. O'Connor played a blinder...however not sure what Cathal was thinking producing the book at this stage...odd.
5 Sams
Did you ever read Nora Mharcais Bhig?
https://prezi.com/wnc39adwnbb3/nora-mharcais-bhig/
An coimhlint i gcroi an duine...idir an maitheas agus an t-olcas...
saol na cathrach vs saol na tuaithe....
http://www.slideshare.net/Gaeilge2015/nora-mharcais-bhig
Fadó....
On the ball still...scoth
Donaghy won the sports book award
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Statement by the father, presented to media, read out on public radio. Did you not listen to the interview?
That defines 'information being in the public domain'.
If you show me where that information was in the public domain before the interview was broadcast, I'll take your point on board.
If you can't then your initial point has no weight.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 05, 2016, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Statement by the father, presented to media, read out on public radio. Did you not listen to the interview?
That defines 'information being in the public domain'.
If you show me where that information was in the public domain before the interview was broadcast, I'll take your point on board.
If you can't then your initial point has no weight.
Yes Bomber, I certainly wasn't aware of that before hearing the Newstalk interview & I've read the book & followed the story quite closely. You would wonder who's advising McCarron - he came across badly on Newstalk. He needs to wrap it up now, keep the head down & try to move on
Quote from: sambostar on December 06, 2016, 08:18:18 AM
Yes Bomber, I certainly wasn't aware of that before hearing the Newstalk interview & I've read the book & followed the story quite closely. You would wonder who's advising McCarron - he came across badly on Newstalk. He needs to wrap it up now, keep the head down & try to move on
It wasn't an interview in the end. It was an interviewer on a soap box knowing he could say what he wanted without any reponse offered.
Ger used the opportunity to promote Off the Ball. As it went on and on with the no comment response the idea of it being an interview went out the window.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 05, 2016, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Statement by the father, presented to media, read out on public radio. Did you not listen to the interview?
That defines 'information being in the public domain'.
If you show me where that information was in the public domain before the interview was broadcast, I'll take your point on board.
If you can't then your initial point has no weight.
The media round has been dreadful. His LLS interview was cancelled. He pulled out of the Nolan show. Gilroy roasted him. There was another one as well.
It looks like the father had been in contact with News talk. If McCarron apologised would he be open to private legal action?
http://www.the42.ie/cathal-mccarron-tense-interview-off-the-ball-3114914-Dec2016/
"We were contacted by the father and asked not to speak to you. There's been a delay in getting you on the show and people were wondering why we haven't had you on considering the high-profile nature of the book. What's your take on that now?
McCarron: I have solicitors in place and they've advised me not to talk about the incident. It's not fair for me to come out and talk about anything that's gone on out of respect for both parties.
GG: We have a statement from the family. "As a family, we have been deeply impacted by Cathal McCarron's actions. My daughter has been damaged and affected. We feel he has never shown any remorse for his actions. In his autobiography and in subsequent newspaper interviews, he was afforded the opportunity to say how remorseful he was for his actions but he failed to do so. We also wanted to point out that he used the Irish version of his name on Facebook, which one must assume was to disguise his identity. Due to his well-publicised role in a pornography film, we had to have a test done for HIV and AIDS and wait for the longest few weeks of our life. In this life, we all have to be responsible and accountable for our actions and no matter what the outcome shall be, the family hope that he will be held accountable for those actions." What's your response, Cathal?
CM: No response. That's all I'm going to say about that"
Let's say you are the mother of a boy who has just graduated from medschool with a 1st class degree. He is well liked in his community and college and is looking forward to a successful career as a doctor.
He is out celebrating with some friends and he has just met this girl on tinder who he agrees to go meet and they have some fun. Nobody knows for sure what they got up to except themselves.
A week later a strange man contacts you to say your son took advantage of his 15 year old daughter even though it was HER who created a false Tinder account and HER who pretended she was 18.
The DPP says he will not prosecute your son as it was an honest mistake yet your son's name is now tarnished with this and it is the talk of the town.
Who do you feel was the victim here? Who was the person lying to get what they wanted?
I'm just wondering would people's views be different in this case to that of McCarron's.
Quote from: seafoid on December 06, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 05, 2016, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 05, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on December 02, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 02, 2016, 08:43:32 PM
The information that girl was tested for HIV/stds was in the public domain and that was the context for Gilroy to ask the question. He explained the context in the interview.
Being tested for stds implies sexual intercourse.
Where was that information in the public domain?
Statement by the father, presented to media, read out on public radio. Did you not listen to the interview?
That defines 'information being in the public domain'.
If you show me where that information was in the public domain before the interview was broadcast, I'll take your point on board.
If you can't then your initial point has no weight.
The media round has been dreadful. His LLS interview was cancelled. He pulled out of the Nolan show. Gilroy roasted him. There was another one as well.
It looks like the father had been in contact with News talk. If McCarron apologised would he be open to private legal action?
http://www.the42.ie/cathal-mccarron-tense-interview-off-the-ball-3114914-Dec2016/
"We were contacted by the father and asked not to speak to you. There's been a delay in getting you on the show and people were wondering why we haven't had you on considering the high-profile nature of the book. What's your take on that now?
McCarron: I have solicitors in place and they've advised me not to talk about the incident. It's not fair for me to come out and talk about anything that's gone on out of respect for both parties.
GG: We have a statement from the family. "As a family, we have been deeply impacted by Cathal McCarron's actions. My daughter has been damaged and affected. We feel he has never shown any remorse for his actions. In his autobiography and in subsequent newspaper interviews, he was afforded the opportunity to say how remorseful he was for his actions but he failed to do so. We also wanted to point out that he used the Irish version of his name on Facebook, which one must assume was to disguise his identity. Due to his well-publicised role in a pornography film, we had to have a test done for HIV and AIDS and wait for the longest few weeks of our life. In this life, we all have to be responsible and accountable for our actions and no matter what the outcome shall be, the family hope that he will be held accountable for those actions." What's your response, Cathal?
CM: No response. That's all I'm going to say about that"
I also wonder what the point in bold has to do with anything? one must assume it was to disguise his identity - what did Oscar Wilde say when you assume something - it makes an ass of u and me.
The victim is the minor.
The victim is the person under the age of consent.
The victim is the person who was not mature enough to know what they wanted.
The victim is not the f**king tool who decided to cheat on his partner (with whom he has a child) with someone he has never met, who he believes is at least 10 years younger than him and is of questionable maturity.
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
Let's say you are the mother of a boy who has just graduated from medschool with a 1st class degree. He is well liked in his community and college and is looking forward to a successful career as a doctor.
He is out celebrating with some friends and he has just met this girl on tinder who he agrees to go meet and they have some fun. Nobody knows for sure what they got up to except themselves.
A week later a strange man contacts you to say your son took advantage of his 15 year old daughter even though it was HER who created a false Tinder account and HER who pretended she was 18.
The DPP says he will not prosecute your son as it was an honest mistake yet your son's name is now tarnished with this and it is the talk of the town.
Who do you feel was the victim here? Who was the person lying to get what they wanted?
I'm just wondering would people's views be different in this case to that of McCarron's.
The victim is the doctor's 8 year old daughter
By the way I am not defending McCarron's actions as he should not have been cheating on his GF.
I'm just trying to gauge how people would react to my other example and wondering in that case would most people attach no blame to the young girl.
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
By the way I am not defending McCarron's actions as he should not have been cheating on his GF.
I'm just trying to gauge how people would react to my other example and wondering in that case would most people attach no blame to the young girl.
Sex with a minor can lead to life imprisonment. It is not the same as was the ball wide or not.
Consent may not even be relevant.
Why can't he apologise?
Quote from: seafoid on December 06, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
By the way I am not defending McCarron's actions as he should not have been cheating on his GF.
I'm just trying to gauge how people would react to my other example and wondering in that case would most people attach no blame to the young girl.
Sex with a minor can lead to life imprisonment. It is not the same as was the ball wide or not.
Consent may not even be relevant.
Why can't he apologise?
Would an apology make any difference? But it would be an admission of guilt that could leave him in pretty deep trouble. I think some people won't be happy until McCarron is hung drawn and quartered over this.
He has done some pretty grim things and comes across as a fairly self obsessed and sordid character but it looks like on this particular issue (and also based on the law of the land's investigation) that he has made a genuine mistake here. Any other comment on the issue by people on here (and Seafoid - you clearly love to comment on this issue) is just speculation and hearsay and most likely just vindictive because of the character he is. (Oh and also probably because he plays for Tyrone)
I dunno if he is self obsessed. I think he was badly advised recently
1. including the Tinder thing in the book
2 Going on the interview circuit
He needs a long period of quiet playing football and getting on with his life
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
Let's say you are the mother of a boy who has just graduated from medschool with a 1st class degree. He is well liked in his community and college and is looking forward to a successful career as a doctor.
He is out celebrating with some friends and he has just met this girl on tinder who he agrees to go meet and they have some fun. Nobody knows for sure what they got up to except themselves.
A week later a strange man contacts you to say your son took advantage of his 15 year old daughter even though it was HER who created a false Tinder account and HER who pretended she was 18.
The DPP says he will not prosecute your son as it was an honest mistake yet your son's name is now tarnished with this and it is the talk of the town.
Who do you feel was the victim here? Who was the person lying to get what they wanted?
I'm just wondering would people's views be different in this case to that of McCarron's.
I actually believe he is telling the truth that he had no idea the girl was 15 and no charges are being brought with regard to it which I think is fair enough.
He actually called himself the victim in the whole scenario (because it cost him a good night) which is where it all falls down. His choice of words is terrible in this instance and he should never have said it. You would think he would have got himself some media training to avoid this type of thing but he clearly didn't as his interviews have been brutal (lak lak y'know, lak).
While what happened to him was unfortunate you can't be going round blaming 15 year old girls for mistakes which you probably shouldn't have made in the first place!!!
Quote from: seafoid on December 06, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
By the way I am not defending McCarron's actions as he should not have been cheating on his GF.
I'm just trying to gauge how people would react to my other example and wondering in that case would most people attach no blame to the young girl.
Sex with a minor can lead to life imprisonment. It is not the same as was the ball wide or not.
Consent may not even be relevant.
Why can't he apologise?
We need a little perspective here.
If he groomed the minor for sex, knowing that he/she was a minor, broke solemn vows and then was part of an organisation that did everything possible to silence the victim and cover up the abuse, then only some of us in Ireland would be outraged.
McCarron got it wrong, as he always seems to do, but there was no intent here by him to groom or abuse a minor, as far as I can see. Why he needs to write a book and tell us all about it I can't quite fathom.
http://youthworkireland.ie/images/uploads/general/Sexual_Offences_Position_Paper.pdf (http://youthworkireland.ie/images/uploads/general/Sexual_Offences_Position_Paper.pdf)
Section 3 of the Criminal Law (Sex Offences) Act 2006 as amended by Section 5 of the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) (Amendment) Act 2007 makes it a criminal offence to engage or attempt to engage in a sexual act with a child under 17 years. The maximum
sentence is five years and ten years if the accused is a person in authority. A person in authority means:
1 A parent, step-parent, guardian, grandparent, uncle or aunt of the victim, or
2 any person acting in loco parentis (in place of parent or parents) to the victim, or
3 any person responsible for the education, supervision or welfare of the victim.
The maximum sentence is greater for a second or subsequent offence.
The accused may argue that he or she honestly believed that the child was aged 17 years or over. The court must then consider whether or not that belief was reasonable. It is not a defence to show that the child consented to the sexual act.
The consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions is required for any prosecution of a child under the age of 17 years for this offence. A person who is convicted of this offence and is not more than two years older than the victim is not subject to the requirements of the Sex Offenders Act 2001. This means they will not have their name placed on the Sex Offenders Register.I don't know if the above is referring to the only relevant act, so another offence may apply.
Yes his interviews have been terrible for the most part and you'd nearly wonder does he just not care what people think of him.
Maybe he wants to be as controversial as possible to get more publicity and so to sell more books.
Some people including myself thought why doesn't the father just shut up and keep his head down now as he's making it much worse for his daughter. I suppose he's annoyed as he thought this had all blown over a year ago and the rumours had stopped but suddenly the story is being told in a book and he has no control over that. I'd say it was hard enough to deal with it when he first heard but now for everyone in his town to read about it in a book makes it much much worse. I can sympathise with the father a lot more now as his daughter will be labelled with this for a long time. It must be tough knowing that they guy involving is trying to promote the story even more to earn more money from it.
Should Tyrone bother with him next year? If he thought the abuse he took on the pitch last year was bad it will be a lot worse after this book and the revelations about a 15 year old, accidental or not he will be called a nonce. Derry were particularly hard on poor Cathal last year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
Let's say you are the mother of a boy who has just graduated from medschool with a 1st class degree. He is well liked in his community and college and is looking forward to a successful career as a doctor.
He is out celebrating with some friends and he has just met this girl on tinder who he agrees to go meet and they have some fun. Nobody knows for sure what they got up to except themselves.
A week later a strange man contacts you to say your son took advantage of his 15 year old daughter even though it was HER who created a false Tinder account and HER who pretended she was 18.
The DPP says he will not prosecute your son as it was an honest mistake yet your son's name is now tarnished with this and it is the talk of the town.
Who do you feel was the victim here? Who was the person lying to get what they wanted?
I'm just wondering would people's views be different in this case to that of McCarron's.
The PPS in N.Ireland would definitely prosecute him and allow the court and justice system to make the decision on whether it was an honest mistake. This attitude in N.Ireland PPS is seen time and again given the cases that are brought to court for decisions by judges or juries. The PPS tends to operate with less discretion and brings many cases to court that could have been dealt with in other ways.
In the incident being discussed in this thread, either the Gardai or prosecutors shortcutted the normal decision making in the justice system by taking a decision not to prosecute McCarron. It was a case that the girl's family would have wanted to be prosecuted given the actions and statement from the father.
It was also a case in the public interest as it would have highlighted an issue that must be occurring much more often than it is publicised given the use of social media in relationships and difficulties in determining age. For example, age restriction on licensed premises has been an issue for as long as the law has existed to restrict access to over 18s, door staff are in a no win situation in trying to work out the age of young women who can relatively easily hide their immaturity or present fake documents to show their DoBs.
You have to wonder why the prosecution did not proceed, what influence prevailed to prevent the decision being passed to judge or jury. Would the same lax attitude be applied to other genuine mistakes made by individuals? There is no evidence to indicate it would have been.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/open-book-cathal-mccarron-gives-us-new-insight-into-tyrone-433899.html Kieran Shannon's view - interesting McCarron talks of Ricey chief sledger like he is a God but when sledging comes to his own door...
Cathal was back to his old self at post league final celebrations.He was reliving his memories of the corridors.
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/open-book-cathal-mccarron-gives-us-new-insight-into-tyrone-433899.html Kieran Shannon's view - interesting McCarron talks of Ricey chief sledger like he is a God but when sledging comes to his own door...
That bit about the exchange with Ryan Porter says a lot about McCarron's character.
Porter said something stupid in the heat of the moment and more or less apologised straight away for it, but our Cathal was having none of it, which is a bit rich when you look at his own rap sheet.
Always the victim.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 07, 2016, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/open-book-cathal-mccarron-gives-us-new-insight-into-tyrone-433899.html Kieran Shannon's view - interesting McCarron talks of Ricey chief sledger like he is a God but when sledging comes to his own door...
That bit about the exchange with Ryan Porter says a lot about McCarron's character.
Porter said something stupid in the heat of the moment and more or less apologised straight away for it, but our Cathal was having none of it, which is a bit rich when you look at his own rap sheet.
Always the victim.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200611/injustice-collecting
The tendency to itemise every unfair knock we've ever suffered is known as injustice collecting.
Sometimes the injustices are personal, as in, "My boss unfairly promoted Rick over me." This kind of self-talk leads to anger. At other times, the catalogued outrages lead to overwrought generalizations, such as, "Nothing ever goes well; this is too unfair." This type of thinking leads to hopelessness and rage.
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 06, 2016, 03:34:24 PM
Yes his interviews have been terrible for the most part and you'd nearly wonder does he just not care what people think of him.
Maybe he wants to be as controversial as possible to get more publicity and so to sell more books.
Some people including myself thought why doesn't the father just shut up and keep his head down now as he's making it much worse for his daughter. I suppose he's annoyed as he thought this had all blown over a year ago and the rumours had stopped but suddenly the story is being told in a book and he has no control over that. I'd say it was hard enough to deal with it when he first heard but now for everyone in his town to read about it in a book makes it much much worse. I can sympathise with the father a lot more now as his daughter will be labelled with this for a long time. It must be tough knowing that they guy involving is trying to promote the story even more to earn more money from it.
His interviews have been terrible (at least the newstalk one) because his narcissistic account is of how his addiction has affected him, not others.
I can empathise with the father to a certain extent, not to the oppressive control he sought to impose on the daughter's life, but with the haunting image of an amoral adult man leering over his 15 year old daughter.
The recently published 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used by the medical profession lists precisely the 9 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Only the extreme, or "classic," narcissist fits all of these criteria, DSM specifies that an individual need meet only 5 of them to warrant this unflattering label.
Here are DSM's requirements (slightly condensed, and with minor bracketed amendments) for "earning" the unenviable diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
5. Has a sense of entitlement.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling or unable to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 07, 2016, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: longballin on December 07, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/open-book-cathal-mccarron-gives-us-new-insight-into-tyrone-433899.html Kieran Shannon's view - interesting McCarron talks of Ricey chief sledger like he is a God but when sledging comes to his own door...
That bit about the exchange with Ryan Porter says a lot about McCarron's character.
Porter said something stupid in the heat of the moment and more or less apologised straight away for it, but our Cathal was having none of it, which is a bit rich when you look at his own rap sheet.
Always the victim.
100%.
He's a w**ker. Wish he wasn't associated with us at all.
Imagine the abuse our blue cousins in the big shmoke would be dishing out to McCarron if Tyrone were any way a threat to the Dubs. The Hill 16 army page itself would crash the internet.
I'd say he has some kind of trauma on top of the gambling. Never learnt empathy. Which would explain why it is all about him.
The last bit sounds familiar
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 07, 2016, 08:22:22 PM
The recently published 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used by the medical profession lists precisely the 9 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Only the extreme, or "classic," narcissist fits all of these criteria, DSM specifies that an individual need meet only 5 of them to warrant this unflattering label.
Here are DSM's requirements (slightly condensed, and with minor bracketed amendments) for "earning" the unenviable diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
5. Has a sense of entitlement.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling or unable to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.
Number 1 resonates with me. He is a guy who can play a bit of football but i would have zero interest in his personal life at all.
It baffles me why anyone would buy this book.
It all seems a bit car crash now too.
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 07, 2016, 08:22:22 PM
The recently published 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used by the medical profession lists precisely the 9 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Only the extreme, or "classic," narcissist fits all of these criteria, DSM specifies that an individual need meet only 5 of them to warrant this unflattering label.
Here are DSM's requirements (slightly condensed, and with minor bracketed amendments) for "earning" the unenviable diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
5. Has a sense of entitlement.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling or unable to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.
That list sounds just like Donald Trump!
Quote from: muppet on December 07, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 07, 2016, 08:22:22 PM
The recently published 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used by the medical profession lists precisely the 9 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Only the extreme, or "classic," narcissist fits all of these criteria, DSM specifies that an individual need meet only 5 of them to warrant this unflattering label.
Here are DSM's requirements (slightly condensed, and with minor bracketed amendments) for "earning" the unenviable diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
5. Has a sense of entitlement.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling or unable to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.
That list sounds just like Donald Trump!
It also sounds like a prominent poster from Armagh
Quote from: muppet on December 07, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 07, 2016, 08:22:22 PM
The recently published 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) used by the medical profession lists precisely the 9 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Only the extreme, or "classic," narcissist fits all of these criteria, DSM specifies that an individual need meet only 5 of them to warrant this unflattering label.
Here are DSM's requirements (slightly condensed, and with minor bracketed amendments) for "earning" the unenviable diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
5. Has a sense of entitlement.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling or unable to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.
That list sounds just like Donald Trump!
Sounds like half the country
McCarron comes across as such a dislikable character, literally at every turn he is blaming someone else. His parents for the gambling, the girl for the tinder episode, the bouncer in temple bar. He sees himself as a victim.
For those that didn't hear the OTB interview here are the violent incidences in his own book:
- Punching Damien Barton
- Choking out a derry player
- Common assault conviction on a traffic warden
- One punch KO of a guy outside a chipper
- Breaking a guys jaw one christmas in Enniskillen
- Punched a guy in Athy who tweeted he was gay
- Alleged DUI and resisting arrest - thrown out
- Sending off in 2009
- Lituanian forklift driver
- Omagh niteclub incident
- Wants to fight with his neighbour while he is breaking into his house
When Ger Gilroy asked him about the 15yo he started talking about if you've never been to the edge of taking your own life you'll never know what its like, as Gilroy said what has that to do with having sex with a 15yo?
This is my view of McCarron purely (as opposed to depression and suicide) but I actually think he's full of shit around that too. The interview with Wooly talks about how he thought about throwing himself in front of a train and was going to do it. His brother was ringing him and ringing him and he says he doesn't know why but he eventually answered the phone.
We all hear about cries for help, I had a cousin who tried it several times before eventually going too far. This isn't even a cry for help, its an attention seeker looking for pity. I call bullshit.
The hilarious thing is that he is so self absorbed, he has no idea why anyone would do anything to him. The Ricey example is ridiculous, he's your favourite player but you lose respect for lads that sledge you? The irony is outrageous.
Horrible ****
I wouldn't buy the 'suicidal' angle either, but that's just my opinion.
It doesn't fit in with his general MO.
And as for claiming gambling is a disease, just like cancer
Theres an argument around whether gambling should be called a disease or not, to compare it to cancer is outrageous
Hes an attention seeking p***k and always has been. Very very unlikeable character who has a serious opinion of himself. Have i read the book? No. Nor would I even think about reading it. Muck.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 09, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
McCarron comes across as such a dislikable character, literally at every turn he is blaming someone else. His parents for the gambling, the girl for the tinder episode, the bouncer in temple bar. He sees himself as a victim.
For those that didn't hear the OTB interview here are the violent incidences in his own book:
- Punching Damien Barton
- Choking out a derry player
- Common assault conviction on a traffic warden
- One punch KO of a guy outside a chipper
- Breaking a guys jaw one christmas in Enniskillen
- Punched a guy in Athy who tweeted he was gay
- Alleged DUI and resisting arrest - thrown out
- Sending off in 2009
- Lituanian forklift driver
- Omagh niteclub incident
- Wants to fight with his neighbour while he is breaking into his house
When Ger Gilroy asked him about the 15yo he started talking about if you've never been to the edge of taking your own life you'll never know what its like, as Gilroy said what has that to do with having sex with a 15yo?
This is my view of McCarron purely (as opposed to depression and suicide) but I actually think he's full of shit around that too. The interview with Wooly talks about how he thought about throwing himself in front of a train and was going to do it. His brother was ringing him and ringing him and he says he doesn't know why but he eventually answered the phone.
We all hear about cries for help, I had a cousin who tried it several times before eventually going too far. This isn't even a cry for help, its an attention seeker looking for pity. I call bullshit.
The hilarious thing is that he is so self absorbed, he has no idea why anyone would do anything to him. The Ricey example is ridiculous, he's your favourite player but you lose respect for lads that sledge you? The irony is outrageous.
Horrible ****
The book is titled 'Out of Control' though. You'd assume the past is the past now.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 09, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 09, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
McCarron comes across as such a dislikable character, literally at every turn he is blaming someone else. His parents for the gambling, the girl for the tinder episode, the bouncer in temple bar. He sees himself as a victim.
For those that didn't hear the OTB interview here are the violent incidences in his own book:
- Punching Damien Barton
- Choking out a derry player
- Common assault conviction on a traffic warden
- One punch KO of a guy outside a chipper
- Breaking a guys jaw one christmas in Enniskillen
- Punched a guy in Athy who tweeted he was gay
- Alleged DUI and resisting arrest - thrown out
- Sending off in 2009
- Lituanian forklift driver
- Omagh niteclub incident
- Wants to fight with his neighbour while he is breaking into his house
When Ger Gilroy asked him about the 15yo he started talking about if you've never been to the edge of taking your own life you'll never know what its like, as Gilroy said what has that to do with having sex with a 15yo?
This is my view of McCarron purely (as opposed to depression and suicide) but I actually think he's full of shit around that too. The interview with Wooly talks about how he thought about throwing himself in front of a train and was going to do it. His brother was ringing him and ringing him and he says he doesn't know why but he eventually answered the phone.
We all hear about cries for help, I had a cousin who tried it several times before eventually going too far. This isn't even a cry for help, its an attention seeker looking for pity. I call bullshit.
The hilarious thing is that he is so self absorbed, he has no idea why anyone would do anything to him. The Ricey example is ridiculous, he's your favourite player but you lose respect for lads that sledge you? The irony is outrageous.
Horrible ****
The book is titled 'Out of Control' though. You'd assume the past is the past now.
I would definitely not assume that
He was out of control sunday night next book will detail that.
Give him a break, he has a disease.
Don't know if any truth in it but heard that talk night with have another couple of uninvited special guests tommorrow night that want a few questions answered. . Be interesting to see the turnout
Is McCarron or Adams the Ulster man under the most pressure right now?
Arlene
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-defends-cathal-mccarron-from-critics-on-the-moral-high-ground-and-slams-new-mark-rule-35350471.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-defends-cathal-mccarron-from-critics-on-the-moral-high-ground-and-slams-new-mark-rule-35350471.html)
Mickey will make a good pundit when he retires. I guess Sky will have to be the destination though. It's becoming a bit of a northern love-in as it stands.
McCarron says in the book that his partner in the video was also straight. Hmmmnn
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
Mickey will make a good pundit when he retires. I guess Sky will have to be the destination though. It's becoming a bit of a northern love-in as it stands.
Really? How do you figure that out?
I remember when the Sky deal was first made, the country went mad. Joe Duffy's phone bounced off the wall, talk shows on radio and TV, newspaper columns, social media, forums. Ex players spoke out about it, saying it wasn't good that youngsters couldn't see their idols play, rural folk would miss out etc... but Mickey in his Irish News column said it has been overwhelmingly positive! Comical Mickey, eh?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2017, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
Mickey will make a good pundit when he retires. I guess Sky will have to be the destination though. It's becoming a bit of a northern love-in as it stands.
Really? How do you figure that out?
I remember when the Sky deal was first made, the country went mad. Joe Duffy's phone bounced off the wall, talk shows on radio and TV, newspaper columns, social media, forums. Ex players spoke out about it, saying it wasn't good that youngsters couldn't see their idols play, rural folk would miss out etc... but Mickey in his Irish News column said it has been overwhelmingly positive! Comical Mickey, eh?
He was really boring as a newspaper columnist and always tried to promote his agenda. He would be terrible as a tv pundit also but at least if he was on sky I wouldn't have to watch him.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
McCarron says in the book that his partner in the video was also straight. Hmmmnn
You think about this stuff a bit too much.
Is there a movie deal on the table? Oliver Stone perhaps? The story of a sporting hero caught between the black arts and the bookies, who inch by inch claws his way back up to the light via the healing redemptive guidance of Mickey Harte.