Clonmel Commercials v Ballyboden St Enda's
Castlebar Mitchel's v Crossmaglen Rangers
Haven't seen a thread so apologies if there is one. Doesn't seem to be much chat on these games. Clonmel sprung a bit of a shock in winning Munster but that is indicative of the football renaissance going on in Tipp so they can't be taken too lightly. Dublin teams are always strong at this level and are 8/15 favs to win however both teams are novices at this level.
I think the winner will come from the other semi final. Castlebar looked impressive so far in Connacht as did Cross until they eventually got past a very stubborn Scotstown team. Think Cross are justified in the slight favourites tag, they've a lot more experience at this level and that could very well be the difference between the two..
Should be 2 good matches. Only saw Clonmel play the London champions on TV but they looked useful. Would expect Ballyboden to win though.
The other game could be close. Player wise Castlebar would probably be strongest but Cross are an unbelievable club and team. They probably have the smallest pick of the teams left but would not be surprised to see them win outright.
Anyway they may not be my club but I have to support my fellow county men and go for a Cross v Ballyboden final.
I wouldn't say we are favourites by any manner of means. Castlebar are physically big and strong, they have a few serious players in Tom Cunniffe, Richie Feeney, Patrick Durcan, Neil Douglas and the big man in the middle Barry Moran. They have also beaten the current AI champions in Corofin and they were fairly strong favourites to go the whole way again.
We may be experienced at this stage but so are they and let's face it we are probably a few years early with this group as there are a fair few young lads on the team. I just think their physicality will prevail in the end but I hope I'm wrong.
Castlebar are a side that rely heavily on goals to win if Crossmaglen prevent the goals from been scored they should win.
A Tipp side winning Munster was great to see and would be even better if they could reach the All Ireland final however Ballyboden will be a tough nut to crack.
Despite only winning the munster under 21 championship and club munster its been an unbelievable year for tipp football, all ireland finalists in both minor and under 21, in post primary the high school clonmel are after reaching the corn ui mhuiri final which is massive and hasnt been done for a long time, clonmel commercials are 1 step away from an all ireland final. You just dont know really how saturdays game will go, im not going to make any wild predictions, I just hope we can put up a performance to be proud of and hopefully that will be a winning one. Clonmel have been super since the newcastle-west game where it looked like they were dead and buried, 1-7 to 6 points down with 5 minutes left, reeled off 6 points in the remainder. Probably the most satisfying match was the game v tir connell (london), TC saw this as a massive opportunity, they really saw this as an unbelievable opportunity, commercials beat them in the manner you would expect the likes of boden to do in the same situation.
what time are these games on at?
Looking forward to the Cross v Castlebar match. Two heavyweights of the game. Cross carry a great ability to convert dead balls which gives them 4-5 points per game. That's a great foundation. They out-worked Kilcoo and Scotstown in Ulster. Teams play each other so rarely at this level it is impossible to call.
But if Cross bring the same hard working intensity and accuracy from dead-ball as before then they will definitely have an opportunity to progress. I hope they take it.
The Clonmel game is earlier I think? 4 o'clock or something?
Cluain Meala abu
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:21:13 AM
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Take that back. What are you insinuating?
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:21:13 AM
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Take that back. What are you insinuating?
My bad. Typo . Underage of course.
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:21:13 AM
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Take that back. What are you insinuating?
My bad. Typo . Underage of course.
They won a few matches - what's the AI breakdown like? One for Tipp, countless for Dublin..
I find it hard to see Clonmel beating Ballyboden.
I just don't think they have the depth of quality of the other 3 teams in the semis.
From what I've seen they are not of the quality of heavy hitters as the other 3 teams left.
Cross v Castlebar I think will go to whoever performs on the day [with insight like this I'm obviously gunning for a lifetime slot on the Sunday Game] However I really don't think there is a huge amount between the two teams - wouldn't be a bit shocked for this to end in a draw.
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:21:13 AM
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Take that back. What are you insinuating?
My bad. Typo . Underage of course.
I'm joking. I knew what you meant. :)
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 11, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I find it hard to see Clonmel beating Ballyboden.
I just don't think they have the depth of quality of the other 3 teams in the semis.
From what I've seen they are not of the quality of heavy hitters as the other 3 teams left.
Cross v Castlebar I think will go to whoever performs on the day [with insight like this I'm obviously gunning for a lifetime slot on the Sunday Game] However I really don't think there is a huge amount between the two teams - wouldn't be a bit shocked for this to end in a draw.
CC beat Nemo. 7 times champions
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 11, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I find it hard to see Clonmel beating Ballyboden.
I just don't think they have the depth of quality of the other 3 teams in the semis.
From what I've seen they are not of the quality of heavy hitters as the other 3 teams left.
Cross v Castlebar I think will go to whoever performs on the day [with insight like this I'm obviously gunning for a lifetime slot on the Sunday Game] However I really don't think there is a huge amount between the two teams - wouldn't be a bit shocked for this to end in a draw.
CC beat Nemo. 7 times champions
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Memo haven't won Munster since 2010 or the AI since 2003 so that's a bit of a non sequitur. I would fancy Clonmel though to have the freshness to be Ballyboden. Twohands might be right with our game going to a draw.
Thought Ballyboden looked average enough in the Leinster final. Portlaoise looked the better football team, more of a grind effort by Ballyboden to win it. Quinlivan is a class forward for Clonmel , if he gets a good supply they have a chance.
Breffni might be a slight help for Crossmaglen. They played a few times before there.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 11, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 11, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I find it hard to see Clonmel beating Ballyboden.
I just don't think they have the depth of quality of the other 3 teams in the semis.
From what I've seen they are not of the quality of heavy hitters as the other 3 teams left.
Cross v Castlebar I think will go to whoever performs on the day [with insight like this I'm obviously gunning for a lifetime slot on the Sunday Game] However I really don't think there is a huge amount between the two teams - wouldn't be a bit shocked for this to end in a draw.
CC beat Nemo. 7 times champions
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Memo haven't won Munster since 2010 or the AI since 2003 so that's a bit of a non sequitur. I would fancy Clonmel though to have the freshness to be Ballyboden. Twohands might be right with our game going to a draw.
Nemo were odds on
Quote from: Syferus on February 11, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 11, 2016, 10:21:13 AM
Think it will be a Mayo/ Tipperary final.
Imo anyway, BBSE team as a whole for some reason is not better than the players on it. Clonmel I presume will be hamming up the usual no one gives us a chance routine despited Tipp's dominance over Dublin at overage level recently.
Castlebar to win is just a hunch, nothing more.
Take that back. What are you insinuating?
My bad. Typo . Underage of course.
They won a few matches - what's the AI breakdown like? One for Tipp, countless for Dublin..
Dont often meet and to call it dominance is over stretching it but we have been a bogey team in recent years, 2011 minor win over as good a minor team as there has been and last years under 21 victory against the 2012 dublin minor winning team, they are our only two games since 1984.
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 11, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 11, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
I find it hard to see Clonmel beating Ballyboden.
I just don't think they have the depth of quality of the other 3 teams in the semis.
From what I've seen they are not of the quality of heavy hitters as the other 3 teams left.
Cross v Castlebar I think will go to whoever performs on the day [with insight like this I'm obviously gunning for a lifetime slot on the Sunday Game] However I really don't think there is a huge amount between the two teams - wouldn't be a bit shocked for this to end in a draw.
CC beat Nemo. 7 times champions
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Memo haven't won Munster since 2010 or the AI since 2003 so that's a bit of a non sequitur. I would fancy Clonmel though to have the freshness to be Ballyboden. Twohands might be right with our game going to a draw.
Nemo were odds on
This Nemo team are a good bit off the quality of the classic Nemo teams imo.
The outright betting odds at the moment are
Crossmaglen 13/8
Castlebar 2/1
Ballyboden St Endas 11/4
Clonmel Commercials 6/1
Possibly, but if Nemo had beaten Clonmel they, Nemo, would be shorter than 6/1.
Clonmel Commercials' football family help Ian Fahey in time of need
When the final whistle confirmed victory for Clonmel Commercials in October's Tipperary senior football final, Ian Fahey couldn't hold the emotion in any longer.
Jubilant Commercials fans invaded the Semple Stadium pitch to pay tribute to their heroes but one familiar face was missing.
Less than two months earlier, Ian's mother Caroline passed away peacefully at St James' Hospital in Dublin.
She had battled cancer before succumbing to a brain haemorrhage, and Ian considered taking a year out as he struggled with his grief.
He still finds her loss tough to cope with on a daily basis but football has helped.
The 21-year-old confided in club and county colleague Michael Quinlivan, who told him to take his time coming back.
And in early October, he did, ironically coming on to replace Quinlivan, who was black-carded, six minutes before half-time in the Tipperary SFC quarter-final against Loughmore-Castleiney.
Fahey played brilliantly in Cashel, scoring a goal and having a major impact as Commercials took control in the second half to end Loughmore's reign as champions.
A few weeks later, they were back on top of the Tipperary tree themselves, having seen off local rivals Moyle Rovers in the final.
Caroline would have loved Mallow last November, too. The day when Commercials became the first Tipperary team to win a Munster senior club football title. It was another afternoon when Fahey knew that he'd made the right call by not ditching football.
"For a while I was thinking of taking a year out," he confirms. "But the best thing that happened me was to go back. It takes your mind off things, especially with the club, being with the lads the whole time.
"They'd cheer you. I have my ups and downs but I take each day as it comes. She was at every match, she was the biggest supporter I had."
Commercials did what they could to ease the Fahey family's pain. Club members were stewards at Caroline's funeral and provided a guard of honour. They did whatever they could.
Naturally, for a while, football was the furthest thing from Fahey's mind.
"I told a few lads," he says. "To be fair, Michael Quinlivan was brilliant, he was there any time I wanted anything. I could pick up the phone any time I needed to. He just said take my time coming back."
It wasn't long after Tipperary beat Cork in the Munster U21 final when Larry Fahey, his sons Ian and Luke, and daughter Tara received the news that Caroline was ill.
"She was rushed to hospital as was in intensive care for a few days. She got out of intensive care and they were saying she was fighting well and we were getting positive news the whole time.
"That morning, it was a shock getting the news. We used to go up there every days, seven days a week there was someone up there." Ever since, life's been about "trying to keep the best side out" for Ian and his family.
He's back in college too, on a 10-week plumbing course at Waterford IT, and that helps "not sitting around at home thinking about stuff". The Commercials voyage provided a welcome distraction, too, and has captivated the town.
"At the start of the year, I wouldn't have thought we'd get there but I fancied us against Nemo in the (Munster) final," Ian says.
"We hadn't seen much of them but we did some video analysis with (Tipp U21 manager and senior selector) Tommy Toomey.
"Tommy's brilliant." All season long, Commercials had made a habit of digging themselves out of tricky situations.
They came from six points down against Moyle Rovers, overturned a four-point deficit with just six minutes left against Newcastlewest in the Munster quarter-final and of course, there was that famous late goal from Quinlivan to seal victory over Nemo.
"They used to say a few years ago that, as a town team, if we got to the last 10 minutes a point down or a point ahead, we'd bottle it," Fahey says. We proved different this year."
Winning Munster opened the door to a potential date at Croke Park on St Patrick's Day but formidable opposition stand in the way in Portlaoise this evening.
"I saw the Leinster semi-final and final," Fahey adds. "Ballyboden have some big names and are very physical."
Roz Plunkett is from Clonmel as well. Does she go to the matches?
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
Roz Plunkett is from Clonmel as well. Does she go to the matches?
Who is she?
I imagine he means Purcell.
Good luck to Castlebar today
Would like to see clonmel win also, spent a couple of years living down there
anybody got a link to watch games in USA.
TG4 once again doing their utmost to make their programs impossible to watch
Thanks in advance
Low key start to this semi final. Twelve minutes gone one score a Ballyboden free.
Quote from: joemamas on February 13, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
anybody got a link to watch games in USA.
TG4 once again doing their utmost to make their programs impossible to watch
Thanks in advance
Live on rte radio
http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html
Only drawback is that it is Brian Carthy
Boden winning 3 to 2 after 19 minutes
24 mins Boden 4 Cluain Meala 3
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 04:58:05 PM
24 mins Boden 4 Cluain Meala 3
Thanks
I love the concept of tg4, but to be honest it is so half assed, website is inaccessible half the time and the menu to navigate is a pure clusterfu*k.
Time for gaa to consider GAAGO for clubs games also, especially for those outside ireland
5 to 4 at half time
During the break Clonmel will be the happier of the two sides.
Quote from: joemamas on February 13, 2016, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 04:58:05 PM
24 mins Boden 4 Cluain Meala 3
Thanks
I love the concept of tg4, but to be honest it is so half assed, website is inaccessible half the time and the menu to navigate is a pure clusterfu*k.
Time for gaa to consider GAAGO for clubs games also, especially for those outside ireland
the RTE website is better for updates imo
Awful game. Needs a goal or a bit of boxing to get the blood going
That ball looked behind the line there, Goalkeeper was well over trying to keep the ball out
Clonmel up by 3. Boden have 10 wides
So far so good for Clonmel. Ballyboden don't seem to have the forward power of previous Dublin winners.
Bodes seem more gym bunnies than footballers. Clonmel have some quality youngsters, some loss to Tipperary football a few of those boys declaring for the hurling
well that was stupid
Clonmel don't look great either. BBSE certainly think they can just run through tackles. Each time they try it they cough up possession
2 points in it. 5 minutes left. Clonmel on top. Boden down to 14 men and just missed a free.
Keaney WTF?
Game littered with mistakes. Kennedy has put in some shift
One point in it
Clonmel have stopped kicking the ball up the field
giving it away with handpassing
Clonmel winning by 2 but then boden get a free they convert. 3rd minute of injury time
level
great score by centre back
All level.Extra time
Extra time
I hope to god the live coverage of cRoss v castlebar game isn't delayed because of this games extra time.
Can Clonmel maintain their terrific shooting accuracy? Fear they may have blown their chance of victory.
Clonmel will be kicking themselves for not closing out that game.
Quote from: SaffronHeart on February 13, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
I hope to god the live coverage of cRoss v castlebar game isn't delayed because of this games extra time.
Same. Utter crap
6-30pm throw in is the word.
Looks like C.C dream season is nearly over.Down by 2 points at HT of extra time
Yeah, looking grim for clonmel but if they can get an early score, they can get back into it
What radio is carrying the Cross game?
http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/listen-live
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 13, 2016, 06:17:07 PM
What radio is carrying the Cross game?
MidWest will have it (from a Castlebar perspective)
Fitness of Ballyboden the big difference in extra time. Clonmel had the winning of that game in normal time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
Fitness of Ballyboden the big difference in extra time. Clonmel had the winning of that game in normal time.
Gave the ball away too.much in last 5 minutes
Poor start for Cbar.Down by 3 points early on
Impressive start from Cross
Thought Clonmel should've gone for the win in normal time - seemed like they were happy to sit on their lead, pull down constantly and time waste.
Jamie Clarke giving Tom Cunniffe a torrid time.
Cross look very lively. Castlebar look lethargic enough
T Fearon no doubt loving this ;D
0.8 to 0.03 to Cross.Early days yet but hard to see Castlebar getting out of this with a win
Good game so far. 8-5 for Cross.
Clarke is quality. Two brilliant points from Durcan
Castlebar can count their lucky blessings to be only a goal down. Clarke destroying cunnife. Oisin O'Neill the minor best player on the park
Big turn around score there at the death. Mitchels could have gone in 1:08 to 0:04 but went in 0:08 to 0:05
Young Durcan is keeping Castlebar in the game however Crossmaglen should have this contest won already.
Clarke is destroying Castlebar and should have had this game won. As it stands they are still just about in it but across are able to get scores a lot easier. The work rate of Cross closing down their opponents off the ball is phenomenal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2016, 07:05:41 PM
Young Durcan is keeping Castlebar in the game however Crossmaglen should have this contest won already.
Don't discount Mitchels. They have a habit of starting slow. And they score goals. If there is a goal chance, they won't take the easy option and put it over the bar.
Still at the moment Rangers game to lose!
Cross getting cleaned out at midfield physically, strange selection playing a minor in this position. Cross have the better footballers but physically they are getting out muscled and McKenna must be seriously unfit for them not to use him for this match.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2016, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2016, 07:05:41 PM
Young Durcan is keeping Castlebar in the game however Crossmaglen should have this contest won already.
Don't discount Mitchels. They have a habit of starting slow. And they score goals. If there is a goal chance, they won't take the easy option and put it over the bar.
Still at the moment Rangers game to lose!
Would hardly discount a side that were only one score behind at half time.
At the moment Castlebars game to lose?
Costello has added a bit of spark.
Jesus christ that ref is hopeless
Quote from: Kurtz on February 13, 2016, 07:38:14 PM
Jesus christ that ref is hopeless
Really bad for both sides!
Eddie Kinsella is a joke.
in the melting pot!
Ref bad but a good match. Well done to both sides.
I never seen as many players touch the ball on the ground (and not get pulled up for it).
Brilliant win after poor start.Delighted
Another Connacht club fells Cross in the AISFs. It's Mitchells' AI to lose now.
Very cynical from castlebar towards the end but great win for them.
Hopefully they'll go on and win it now
Fair play Mitchels, they are a great team with great belief and great fight.
Great match. Castlebar acting like they've won the AI. Very cynical at the end, Cross mgmt looked furious
Have no love for cross but jeez the ref beat them today .
How cynical were the Connaught team and management. Unbelievable. Pulling, mouthing and scummy behaviour. Shame. Good side.
Is a win at all costs mantra acceptable as long as it's not a team from the black north?
Refs helped both winners today.
What was the selector / man in the cap at pushing the cross lad getting the sideline ball at the end there, that threaten to start into a real melee there,
Sweet Jesus - where do the GAA get these referees from. The standard of the top refs is extremely poor. The 2 referees today were abysmal in all aspects of the game. Cassidy is woeful, he allowed Nelson to run a mile to get the equalising score and then gave 'Boden everything in ET to win.
As for Kinsella - nightmare he was for both teams and had absolutely no control in this game.
Kinsella, Conor Lane, Duffy brothers, Cassidy - did any of them ever kick a ball ??
The standard is woeful, players devoting their lives to train for games and then get shafted by clowns like these men.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on February 13, 2016, 07:56:03 PM
How cynical were the Connaught team and management. Unbelievable. Pulling, mouthing and scummy behaviour. Shame. Good side.
Is a win at all costs mantra acceptable as long as it's not a team from the black north?
To be fair Cross aren't exactly known for easing up on the oul cyclical play. They give it but they also take it. They were quite gracious in defeat tonight. Another team could have seen a mass brawl the way that game ended
Very cynical by Castlebar once they got ahead. Fingers will be pointed at Kinsella but they failed to react to the dominance of Barry Moran in the second half and were physically dominated in a lot of areas. Other than Clarke and T Kernan a lot of Cross players under performed
I would be upset if I were from Armagh
The ref shafted them
you can blame the ref all you want but Cross only themselves to blame for not winning that one. refs not good but not helped by players pushing to the limits of the rule and beyond to win, what the castlebar captain say after the game, win at all costs! sums up the attitude to Gaelic football these days,
Castlebar weathered the first half storm well and took control of the contest in the second half. It's a risk to say a Mayo side will win the All Ireland final however after the manner of that win this evening it's hard to see Ballyboden beating them.
Stop whinging lads, mitchels did what they needed to, just as cross would have.
Patrick Durcan M.O.M .If he stays injury free he will be an absolute star for Mayo in the coming years
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Castlebar should thump a poor BBSE team. Tubberman is right cross would have dne the same
I'd say that'll stick in the Craw of the Cross ones but they've been there and done most of that themselves. Very poor ref, thought the free he gave over at the dugouts that lead to the last score was a standout howler.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 13, 2016, 08:02:23 PM
Stop whinging lads, mitchels did what they needed to, just as cross would have.
Don't think any one criticising Mitchels
It's the standard of refereeing
Frig sake there was no consistency
Putting it simply
He was awful and effectively cost cross the game
Ballyboden will be pleased with that. Nice handy final.
Was impressed with Douglas. Cool head on his shoulders. A Mayo team Cynical! More street wise as the Kerry boys might say.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on February 13, 2016, 08:04:45 PM
Ballyboden will be pleased with that. Nice handy final.
Look forward to seeing your post on Paddys evening! ;)
I expected more from Crossmaglen but I suppose they aren't at the level they once were. Castlebar didn't even need goals to win that game today. Paddy Durcan,Barry Moran the best players on field.
Delighted Castlebar won Paddy Durcan had a huge game when the chips were down, he be starter for Mayo this year if stays injury free. Big call from Castlebar management taking off Ritchie Feeney when game in the melting pot. Shows not afraid to make the big calls.
Well done Castlebar , made us all very proud in Mayo . Barry Moran playing the football of his life , a shoe in to partner parsons in the middle .
Do not give two hoots about the cynical play , we as a county have stood by for decades and let the Kerry's and meads ride us up the hole when it comes to cynical play , very satisfactory to watch a Mayo team engage in the dark arts
Cross will be mightily disappointed. A goal in the first half and that would have been game over. Dunno what cbar did to Clarke in the second half but he hardly touched leather.
Referee did his best to drag cbar back into it. No consistency in his calls. One call for over carrying when it was all square stands out. Also young fella penalised for lifting off the ground when he clearly had his boot under the ball.
Lads Eddie Kinsella wouldn't ref a c**k fight.
Castlebar fully deserved winners! 2 great games to watch and yes the refs weren't good as the same in every game!
Quote from: general_lee on February 13, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
Castlebar should thump a poor BBSE team. Tubberman is right cross would have dne the same
Boden will be hard to beat in the final.
Castlebar should win it now. Fly in the ointment will be the mantle of favouritism which for some reason scuppers alot of Connacht football teams in big games.
In fairness the Clonmel lads will probably look at the last few minutes of the other semi final and say we should have done what Castlebar did.
Quote from: maigheo on February 13, 2016, 08:03:12 PM
Patrick Durcan M.O.M .If he stays injury free he will be an absolute star for Mayo in the coming years
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Yeah, Durcan was excellent
Don't see how Castlebar should be any more than marginal favourites, personally think it's a fairly evenly matched contest. How many adult senior teams have Ballyboden got?
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 13, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Sweet Jesus - where do the GAA get these referees from. The standard of the top refs is extremely poor. The 2 referees today were abysmal in all aspects of the game. Cassidy is woeful, he allowed Nelson to run a mile to get the equalising score and then gave 'Boden everything in ET to win.
As for Kinsella - nightmare he was for both teams and had absolutely no control in this game.
Kinsella, Conor Lane, Duffy brothers, Cassidy - did any of them ever kick a ball ??
The standard is woeful, players devoting their lives to train for games and then get shafted by clowns like these men.
Would you stop. Boden got nothing in normal time, absolutely nothing. When Keaney missed the close free it should have been game over but boden showed great character to dig it out and there was nothing wrong with the equalising point except clonmel naivety. Do you think castlebar would have let him run half the pitch like that ?
In extra time poor kickouts alone gifted boden 3 points. You can't blame the ref for that ?
Quote from: yellowcard on February 13, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
Don't see how Castlebar should be any more than marginal favourites, personally think it's a fairly evenly matched contest. How many adult senior teams have Ballyboden got?
Senior, Inter, junior a, junior b and c.
Castlebar would need to be better clued in from the start the next day. Got away with very poor start today. Way off the pace.
Saying that it looked like Cross went for a quick kill and were hardly going to be able to sustain the effort for the whole game on heavy going. Their organisation, work rate and effort to funnel back to help out was very impressive. Mitchels on the other hand left their markers hung out to dry without any cover in the first half.
I ve been very impressed with Cian Costello any time he's played. Very good impact again this evening.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 13, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 13, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
Don't see how Castlebar should be any more than marginal favourites, personally think it's a fairly evenly matched contest. How many adult senior teams have Ballyboden got?
Senior, Inter, junior a, junior b and c.
Mitchels have Senior and Intermediate and Junior B.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2016, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 13, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 13, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
Don't see how Castlebar should be any more than marginal favourites, personally think it's a fairly evenly matched contest. How many adult senior teams have Ballyboden got?
Senior, Inter, junior a, junior b and c.
Mitchels have Senior and Intermediate and Junior B.
I can see Boden's Div11 team of pot bellied aul fellas being the deciding factor in this.
On the way home and sitting in traffic. Disappointed but the Castlebar team team is anyway or 2 ahead of us in terms of development and had a bit extra in the tank. We blew out of steam in midfield with 5 left in the 1st half and we never really got the breaks in the middle for the rest of the game. A few decisions by Kinsella had a big bearing. I didn't see Aiden Rushe but I heard he didn't. 2 minutes later a Cadtlebar man clearly picked up in front of me and won a free. Small margins but no complaints about the result. Brush ourselves off and get back on it again after a rest b
Syferous we have beaten more Connacht teams than we have lost to. No medals for winning semis. At least you have a bandwagon to jump on.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 13, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
Cross will be mightily disappointed. A goal in the first half and that would have been game over. Dunno what cbar did to Clarke in the second half but he hardly touched leather.
Referee did his best to drag cbar back into it. No consistency in his calls. One call for over carrying when it was all square stands out. Also young fella penalised for lifting off the ground when he clearly had his boot under the ball.
The over carrying was a correct call. 7 steps when the ref blew
If you are talking about the no3 towards the sideline for the pickup - then the ref got it spot on. The full back did great to win the ball, but it was pretty stupid of him to then pick it clean off the ground.
I only saw the 2nd half. Jamie Clarke got less than 3 touches
I suppose Syfín will be on the bandwagon to Croker on St. P's day alright.
He loves all winning teams but especially Rhu ones >:(
Great contest tonight but football is an awful spectacle God help us.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 13, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
On the way home and sitting in traffic. Disappointed but the Castlebar team team is anyway or 2 ahead of us in terms of development and had a bit extra in the tank. We blew out of steam in midfield with 5 left in the 1st half and we never really got the breaks in the middle for the rest of the game. A few decisions by Kinsella had a big bearing. I didn't see Aiden Rushe but I heard he didn't. 2 minutes later a Cadtlebar man clearly picked up in front of me and won a free. Small margins but no complaints about the result. Brush ourselves off and get back on it again after a rest b
Syferous we have beaten more Connacht teams than we have lost to. No medals for winning semis. At least you have a bandwagon to jump on.
Couldn't ye ease off for a few years and let Pearse Og win a county championship ?
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
Horan and H&C did not fancy him. Horan gave him a chance initially, but he got injured (hamstring) replace by Doherty and was forgotten. Last year he impressed in 2 FBD games (i know so what) but was dropped and you'd expect his former Mitchels Manager Holmes to bend the rules a bit if he fancied him. Mitchels doing well in 2014 and 16 has not helped him really as he is not available for FBD trials or early league campaigns. He's a smart footballer and has a cool head. Might be a little on the small side. I think he's part of Roch plans, but there are a lot of players like him in Mayo and it's hard to know if he can offer more.
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
I think all of the scores Douglas got tonight were frees. What Mayo seniors need is more free scoring forwards from play.
Does today's result mean Jamie Clarke is now available to play for Armagh between now and March 17th as his ticket to the USA was surely booked for a date post March 17th?
Quote from: blanketattack on February 13, 2016, 10:24:07 PM
Does today's result mean Jamie Clarke is now available to play for Armagh between now and March 17th as his ticket to the USA was surely booked for a date post March 17th?
Ask Tony,he should know the answer
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 13, 2016, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
I think all of the scores Douglas got tonight were frees. What Mayo seniors need is more free scoring forwards from play.
He scored a fabliss goal against corofin. Mayo were never much blessed with natural goalscorers
Quote from: blanketattack on February 13, 2016, 10:24:07 PM
Does today's result mean Jamie Clarke is now available to play for Armagh between now and March 17th as his ticket to the USA was surely booked for a date post March 17th?
Aside from this being a complete joke of a Question.
I'm not sure it would do the squad the world of good a player hopping in for a couple of games. Taking the place of a committed player. And then heading off post March 17. Leaving the committed squad player to come back in and pick up the pieces.
Unlucky Crossmaglen. When you beat Cross you earn it. 2 All Irelands and 2 semi defeats by a point in recent years.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
I suppose Syfín will be on the bandwagon to Croker on St. P's day alright.
He loves all winning teams but especially Rhu ones >:(
Great contest tonight but football is an awful spectacle God help us.
It is still better than rugby and without the injuries
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
Horan and H&C did not fancy him. Horan gave him a chance initially, but he got injured (hamstring) replace by Doherty and was forgotten. Last year he impressed in 2 FBD games (i know so what) but was dropped and you'd expect his former Mitchels Manager Holmes to bend the rules a bit if he fancied him. Mitchels doing well in 2014 and 16 has not helped him really as he is not available for FBD trials or early league campaigns. He's a smart footballer and has a cool head. Might be a little on the small side. I think he's part of Roch plans, but there are a lot of players like him in Mayo and it's hard to know if he can offer more.
GRMA
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
I suppose Syfín will be on the bandwagon to Croker on St. P's day alright.
He loves all winning teams but especially Rhu ones >:(
Great contest tonight but football is an awful spectacle God help us.
It is still better than rugby and without the injuries
A dose of the runs is better than fkn rubby ;D
Curse you Ballyboden,had a nice little Double at 3/1 coming,but both they and Castlebar needed to win in Normal time😠. Crossmgalen reign is over,two defeats in two semi finals and needed a replay to beat a Westmeath team in their last final,in 2012.
Interesting to read that 18 out of the last 20 senior club titles have gone to Connacht and Ulster.In the same period only 7 Sams have gone to the same provinces.Shows exactly where the big counties priorities lie.
Quote from: Hound on February 13, 2016, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on February 13, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
Cross will be mightily disappointed. A goal in the first half and that would have been game over. Dunno what cbar did to Clarke in the second half but he hardly touched leather.
Referee did his best to drag cbar back into it. No consistency in his calls. One call for over carrying when it was all square stands out. Also young fella penalised for lifting off the ground when he clearly had his boot under the ball.
The over carrying was a correct call. 7 steps when the ref blew
If you are talking about the no3 towards the sideline for the pickup - then the ref got it spot on. The full back did great to win the ball, but it was pretty stupid of him to then pick it clean off the ground.
I only saw the 2nd half. Jamie Clarke got less than 3 touches
The pickup one I think was Paul Hughes who had his foot under the ball and the Mayo lad came in and kicked the ball as he was going down on it. Kinsella gave the free in when really it should have been a free out.
I don't think Kinsella was too bad, Cross had a few minor decisions go against them which in the end did prove telling but I think they should have more questions to ask of their management team in some of the decisions made.
Did Carragher go off injured early today?
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on February 13, 2016, 07:56:03 PM
How cynical were the Connaught team and management. Unbelievable. Pulling, mouthing and scummy behaviour. Shame. Good side.
Is a win at all costs mantra acceptable as long as it's not a team from the black north?
I don't have an issue with the tactics employed, the team who is serious about winning is going to do what it takes to win and will take advantage of the rules or a weak match official in doing so.
However I do have a problem with the blatant double standards afforded by commentators, media and fans which only wish to associate these tactics and incidents with Ulster sides. There would be a completely different reaction of hysteria on here tonight I'm sure if it was Cross who were the perpetrators.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 13, 2016, 11:52:34 PM
Curse you Ballyboden,had a nice little Double at 3/1 coming,but both they and Castlebar needed to win in Normal time😠. Crossmgalen reign is over,two defeats in two semi finals and needed a replay to beat a Westmeath team in their last final,in 2012.
Interesting to read that 18 out of the last 20 senior club titles have gone to Connacht and Ulster.In the same period only 7 Sams have gone to the same provinces.Shows exactly where the big counties priorities lie.
was waiting on ballyboden to win an accumulator but cashed out on thursday instead. the more i looked at the 2 teams during the week there was never going to be much between them.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 13, 2016, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
I think all of the scores Douglas got tonight were frees. What Mayo seniors need is more free scoring forwards from play.
I think he has matured well. He was always able to bag a score but his decision making used to be an issue imo. He sees the fuller picture now I think.
Scoring from play is what you want and Douglas will do that given time and space. The trick for top teams and coaches is to create space for their finishers. Something we re not good at. Meanwhile we give the marquee guy on the other side the freedom of the park to work his magic. Compare the looseness Jamie Clarke got to work his magic to the dogging likes of Douglas and Kirby got. If Jamie Clarke was given that space to play every day I don t think he would be travelling as much.
Douglas will get a run with Mayo again I think. Maybe 4/5 of that Castlebar team have something to offer. Durkin will take something else to keep him off the starting 15.
Oisin McConville's numerous slating of Eddie Kinsela for the BBC championship coverage came back to bite him today.
I will also agree with my northern brethren from Tyrone in that if Tyrone , or any Ulster team, had have seen out a game like that the backlash would be incredible. Questions might also be asked of a couple of high and late tackles on their most influential player. Cross showed well in accepting defeat. Let's hope for two good games on St Patrick's day.
As for Cross let's hope someone in Armagh can give their players an early summer break!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:59:47 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on February 13, 2016, 07:56:03 PM
How cynical were the Connaught team and management. Unbelievable. Pulling, mouthing and scummy behaviour. Shame. Good side.
Is a win at all costs mantra acceptable as long as it's not a team from the black north?
I don't have an issue with the tactics employed, the team who is serious about winning is going to do what it takes to win and will take advantage of the rules or a weak match official in doing so.
However I do have a problem with the blatant double standards afforded by commentators, media and fans which only wish to associate these tactics and incidents with Ulster sides. There would be a completely different reaction of hysteria on here tonight I'm sure if it was Cross who were the perpetrators.
Yeah, totally agree. Give a dog a bad name! Gas the way the media work. But hey, you get on with it and you turn the other cheek. In reality if you are good enough, it does not matter who the referee is or what they f**king say. We (Mayo) were totally rode in 2014, these things happen! Life is not fair, if it was, Leitrim would be in contention for Connacht and All Ireland titles every now and again. But they are not and do you think we give a sh1te?
Quote from: straightred on February 13, 2016, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 13, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Sweet Jesus - where do the GAA get these referees from. The standard of the top refs is extremely poor. The 2 referees today were abysmal in all aspects of the game. Cassidy is woeful, he allowed Nelson to run a mile to get the equalising score and then gave 'Boden everything in ET to win.
As for Kinsella - nightmare he was for both teams and had absolutely no control in this game.
Kinsella, Conor Lane, Duffy brothers, Cassidy - did any of them ever kick a ball ??
The standard is woeful, players devoting their lives to train for games and then get shafted by clowns like these men.
Would you stop. Boden got nothing in normal time, absolutely nothing. When Keaney missed the close free it should have been game over but boden showed great character to dig it out and there was nothing wrong with the equalising point except clonmel naivety. Do you think castlebar would have let him run half the pitch like that ?
In extra time poor kickouts alone gifted boden 3 points. You can't blame the ref for that ?
Yes there was something wrong with the equalising point, he fouled the ball by taking far too many steps. Am i bitter about that......no, we had the game won and should have seen it out, well done to boden, all the best in the final.
Two weeks a row the steps rule has been ignored
Loads of focus on black cards, blanket defence and other stuff.
Yet one of the most basic rules of the game is being ignored. Same with hurling. How are you meant to tackle a lad if he's allowed take 6+ steps?
Get your priorities sorted GAA refereeing committee!!
Quote from: moysider on February 14, 2016, 12:25:31 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 13, 2016, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2016, 09:57:16 PM
Would Douglas make it onto the Mayo team? He can score, unlike a few of the forwards on the county side
I think all of the scores Douglas got tonight were frees. What Mayo seniors need is more free scoring forwards from play.
I think he has matured well. He was always able to bag a score but his decision making used to be an issue imo. He sees the fuller picture now I think.
Scoring from play is what you want and Douglas will do that given time and space. The trick for top teams and coaches is to create space for their finishers. Something we re not good at. Meanwhile we give the marquee guy on the other side the freedom of the park to work his magic. Compare the looseness Jamie Clarke got to work his magic to the dogging likes of Douglas and Kirby got. If Jamie Clarke was given that space to play every day I don t think he would be travelling as much.
Douglas will get a run with Mayo again I think. Maybe 4/5 of that Castlebar team have something to offer. Durkin will take something else to keep him off the starting 15.
Remember seeing Durkan playing for the Mayo minors on TV in Croker a few years back & taking note of his name. He looked a definite senior county player that day.
Excellent player
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 14, 2016, 08:43:16 AM
Two weeks a row the steps rule has been ignored
Yet one of the most basic rules of the game is being ignored. Same with hurling. How are you meant to tackle a lad if he's allowed take 6+ steps?
+1 but it's every fkn week.
Half the pullindraggin in football would be eliminated if the steps rule was strictly and CONSISTENTLY enforced.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Not sure what some of you boys want from football but I thought both games were very entertaining. Very competitive, some great scores and all teams put in huge shifts.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
I don't think so, Ballyboden have been blessed to get past both Portlaoise and Clonmel to date. They seem to have a complete lack of players who can put the ball over the bar.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
The Dublin champions looked very limited yesterday.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
They were only down for 10 minutes of the whole match to 14 men. You make it sound like they played the whole game?
Would be very surprised if the Mitchels don't win the final
Quote from: Syferus on February 14, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
The Dublin champions looked very limited yesterday.
The Dublin SFC is the best county championship in the country at this minute in time Syferus. Dummies don't win it.
Boden's weakness is both wing forward positions. They don't have many or any others.
If BBSE have any notion of winning the final they'd need to find 6 forwards. And a free taker that doesn't miss from 21 yards
Quote from: general_lee on February 14, 2016, 02:25:37 PM
If BBSE have any notion of winning the final they'd need to find 6 forwards. And a free taker that doesn't miss from 21 yards
Castlebar just need ensure they bring the form to Croke Park.
Ballyboden have a number of guys playing where Croke Park is a second home.
It would suit the Northern Agenda here to have Castlebar win because at least Cross could say they lost to the winners!
Quote from: T Fearon on February 13, 2016, 11:52:34 PM
Curse you Ballyboden,had a nice little Double at 3/1 coming,but both they and Castlebar needed to win in Normal time😠. Crossmgalen reign is over,two defeats in two semi finals and needed a replay to beat a Westmeath team in their last final,in 2012.
Interesting to read that 18 out of the last 20 senior club titles have gone to Connacht and Ulster.In the same period only 7 Sams have gone to the same provinces.Shows exactly where the big counties priorities lie.
I make it 16 of last 20. Nemo, Kilmacud and Vincents twice. Still a startling fact though.
The way Ballyboden played yesterday and in the Leinster final won't be good enough to win the All Ireland final however if they play like they did against St Vincents in the Dublin championship they might pull off another shock win.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 14, 2016, 02:25:37 PM
If BBSE have any notion of winning the final they'd need to find 6 forwards. And a free taker that doesn't miss from 21 yards
Castlebar just need ensure they bring the form to Croke Park.
Ballyboden have a number of guys playing where Croke Park is a second home.
It would suit the Northern Agenda here to have Castlebar win because at least Cross could say they lost to the winners!
Northern agenda? I don't give two hoots about Cross. That said it be nice if the final wasn't won by a super club.
Both Castlebar and Cross would have had that Clonmel team (who are very good, but not cute enough) well bet. Ballyboden did to well going down to 14 but relied on a refereeing error to eventually win them the match.
I wonder will Paul Durkin be staying in Ireland for a few weeks? Looked very rusty yesterday and kickouts were poor. For a club like Ballyboden to be paying flights for a outsider who when lived in Dublin lived on the Northside of city(no where near Boden) is a bit of a farce?? Surely club of that size have another goalkeeper?
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
Nail on head!
Quote from: Gael85 on February 14, 2016, 04:35:18 PM
I wonder will Paul Durkin be staying in Ireland for a few weeks? Looked very rusty yesterday and kickouts were poor. For a club like Ballyboden to be paying flights for a outsider who when lived in Dublin lived on the Northside of city(no where near Boden) is a bit of a farce?? Surely club of that size have another goalkeeper?
The jet lag alone must be an ordeal for him, before you even get into match sharpness and lack of training with his team mates. According to an article in the paper at the weekend, he's flying in on Friday nights and heading back out to Doha or wherever on the Sunday night straight after the game. No way that will be sustainable for the Donegal team this summer.
Its also rough on the lads at Ballyboden who have been there the whole time and are training the whole time. Durkin is a superb keeper, but is all the hassle and expense and having him in these current circumstances worth it for Ballyboden?
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
Are you sure?
Quote from: Syferus on February 14, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
Are you sure?
Let's see who wins on March 17.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2016, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 13, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
You are such a parody
Quote from: tippabu on February 14, 2016, 03:26:09 AM
Quote from: straightred on February 13, 2016, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 13, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Sweet Jesus - where do the GAA get these referees from. The standard of the top refs is extremely poor. The 2 referees today were abysmal in all aspects of the game. Cassidy is woeful, he allowed Nelson to run a mile to get the equalising score and then gave 'Boden everything in ET to win.
As for Kinsella - nightmare he was for both teams and had absolutely no control in this game.
Kinsella, Conor Lane, Duffy brothers, Cassidy - did any of them ever kick a ball ??
The standard is woeful, players devoting their lives to train for games and then get shafted by clowns like these men.
Would you stop. Boden got nothing in normal time, absolutely nothing. When Keaney missed the close free it should have been game over but boden showed great character to dig it out and there was nothing wrong with the equalising point except clonmel naivety. Do you think castlebar would have let him run half the pitch like that ?
In extra time poor kickouts alone gifted boden 3 points. You can't blame the ref for that ?
Yes there was something wrong with the equalising point, he fouled the ball by taking far too many steps. Am i bitter about that......no, we had the game won and should have seen it out, well done to boden, all the best in the final.
I was at the game and didn't notice the steps - my bad. Furthermore I was beside a group of clonmel fans and they didn't pick it up either. They were going mad that they didn't foul him. I saw it today on the player and yes it should have been blown.
Quote from: straightred on February 14, 2016, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 14, 2016, 03:26:09 AM
Quote from: straightred on February 13, 2016, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on February 13, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
Sweet Jesus - where do the GAA get these referees from. The standard of the top refs is extremely poor. The 2 referees today were abysmal in all aspects of the game. Cassidy is woeful, he allowed Nelson to run a mile to get the equalising score and then gave 'Boden everything in ET to win.
As for Kinsella - nightmare he was for both teams and had absolutely no control in this game.
Kinsella, Conor Lane, Duffy brothers, Cassidy - did any of them ever kick a ball ??
The standard is woeful, players devoting their lives to train for games and then get shafted by clowns like these men.
Would you stop. Boden got nothing in normal time, absolutely nothing. When Keaney missed the close free it should have been game over but boden showed great character to dig it out and there was nothing wrong with the equalising point except clonmel naivety. Do you think castlebar would have let him run half the pitch like that ?
In extra time poor kickouts alone gifted boden 3 points. You can't blame the ref for that ?
Yes there was something wrong with the equalising point, he fouled the ball by taking far too many steps. Am i bitter about that......no, we had the game won and should have seen it out, well done to boden, all the best in the final.
I was at the game and didn't notice the steps - my bad. Furthermore I was beside a group of clonmel fans and they didn't pick it up either. They were going mad that they didn't foul him. I saw it today on the player and yes it should have been blown.
What I would be more annoyed about from a Clonmel point of view was why in the name of god did the keeper kick it long in the first place from that kickout?
They had played 2:30 out of 3 mins injury time, where a man up and had went short with the majority of kickouts all day.
Now, I don't know if the keeper was afraid to 'risk' a short one, or whether the players didn't want to show for a short one at that stage of the game, but if they had have shown a bit more bravery in that regard, they would be looking forward an AI club final now.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
What good will it do? Refs are dangerous animals and no matter what if you piss one off he will remember it. The ref made a few dubious decisions but not game changers. The game changing incidents involved us not taking our chances when we were on top and that is pretty clear.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 15, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
What good will it do? Refs are dangerous animals and no matter what if you piss one off he will remember it. The ref made a few dubious decisions but not game changers. The game changing incidents involved us not taking our chances when we were on top and that is pretty clear.
Being gracious in defeat ain't easy so respect to BC for that.
Quote from: orangeman on February 15, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 15, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
What good will it do? Refs are dangerous animals and no matter what if you piss one off he will remember it. The ref made a few dubious decisions but not game changers. The game changing incidents involved us not taking our chances when we were on top and that is pretty clear.
Being gracious in defeat ain't easy so respect to BC for that.
Wouldn't expect anything different from a club like Crossmaglen.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 15, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
What good will it do? Refs are dangerous animals and no matter what if you piss one off he will remember it. The ref made a few dubious decisions but not game changers. The game changing incidents involved us not taking our chances when we were on top and that is pretty clear.
Wasn't it Kinsella that McConville was very critical of when he was a pundit on the BBC?
Saying that he wasn't able to keep up with the game.
Will McConville be expected to fall on his sword then? Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory isn't really acceptable in Cross!
QuoteCROSSMAGLEN joint-manager John McEntee insisted his side is not ready to fade into the history books, but that they will come back raring to go next season following Saturday's defeat to Castlebar.
McEntee, who manages alongside Oisin McConville, was gracious in defeat, but empathised with the hurt his players were feeling: "I am just gutted for the lads, they put in a huge effort this year, they tried really hard and they did their best," he said.
"On the day, they were pipped to the post and I am genuinely very disappointed for them. They have taken these hits before and gotten back up from them, that is the type of character they are. They will bounce back next year again."
Referee Eddie Kinsella awarded almost twice as many frees to Castlebar than the south Armagh side, but McEntee believed the man in the middle from Laois had a different interpretation of the tackles than the Cross management.
"I don't think too many calls went either way," he said.
"There were certainly too many fouls given and too many within scoreable range. And that was a serious problem. It wasn't our intention to foul, we went out with honesty and endeavour to tackle as best we can and that wasn't the way it was perceived, but sometimes that is the way it goes.
"In the midst of it, tensions run high and emotions run high. It wouldn't be fair to judge the referee, I know that we didn't go out with the intention to foul and we tried our best not to, but unfortunately that is not the way it worked out."
Rangers should have put the game to bed by half-time. Jamie Clarke made light work of shaking off Tom Cunniffe, but rolled his shot narrowly wide of the goal with only five minutes played and, moments before the break, substitute Johnny Murtagh was denied a goal when his shot was cleared off the line. A minute later, Castlebar's Paddy Durkan struck a point, which worryingly gave Cross only a 0-8 to 0-5 lead at half-time, despite their early dominance.
"We gave away a few soft frees and we were probably anxious that we were not more ahead," said McEntee.
"We had our chances and didn't take them and we knew they would get chances. We were in a game for a full half-hour to play. We were fit and strong and ready to go again. We missed those two goal chances and then they got a point, which gave them a bit of momentum going in at half-time.
"That was directly following our second goal chance, so that was a four-point turnaround and that was probably psychologically a big boost for them going in at half-time. But that didn't dampen our spirits going in at the second half, it just raised theirs a wee bit."
The Crossmaglen manager admitted losing the midfield battle in the second-half played a huge part in their downfall, but while being content with not conceding a goal, he rued missed scoring opportunities and praised Castlebar.
"We had two goal chances in the opening half and we missed a couple of frees and we missed a chance at the death to bring the game level and, many a day, we would have scored them," McEntee added.
"We have to take our hats off to them boys [Castlebar], they played well and came back strong at us and did well to win it."
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 15, 2016, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 15, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
BCB I am surprised Cross don't feel more aggrieved with Eddie Kinsella's performance, which from TV viewing was poor and a bit one way traffic, as the free count suggests. Although John Mac did allude to this in the IN without actually pressing the point.
What good will it do? Refs are dangerous animals and no matter what if you piss one off he will remember it. The ref made a few dubious decisions but not game changers. The game changing incidents involved us not taking our chances when we were on top and that is pretty clear.
Wasn't it Kinsella that McConville was very critical of when he was a pundit on the BBC?
Saying that he wasn't able to keep up with the game.
Not sure about Oisin's criticism of Kinsella. I've seen him ref plenty before and he is not good also very inconsistent. But respect to BCB and Cross for being gracious. Why on earth would Oisin resign?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Watching it on TV and aside from the ref, I felt at times Cross didn't get the rub and at others made the wrong choices. I was impressed with young O'Neill as well.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 15, 2016, 02:37:40 PM
Watching it on TV and aside from the ref, I felt at times Cross didn't get the rub and at others made the wrong choices. I was impressed with young O'Neill as well.
Referees make mistakes, these may even net out as unfavourable to you, them's the breaks. The ref may not have kept up with play or may have misinterpreted the flow of the game. But if you lost, it is probably mainly because some of your own players did not keep with play, misinterpreted the flow of the game or made other mistakes and these you should work on for the next time, so that you win regardless of the ref.
Personally think the aura of Crossmaglen Rangers invinvibility which imo carried them over the line in some tight games may not be what it was. Don't think clubs are terrified of them (and are mentally beaten before game) as much anymore which maybe is the difference between winning and losing in tight games. Imo of course.
A great club all the same.
They are round long enough to know that some days you get the refereeing decisions going your way (AISF some years ago in Navan versus Kilmacud) and days you don't.
Quote from: Canalman on February 15, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
Personally think the aura of Crossmaglen Rangers invinvibility which imo carried them over the line in some tight games may not be what it was. Don't think clubs are terrified of them (and are mentally beaten before game) as much anymore which maybe is the difference between winning and losing in tight games. Imo of course.
A great club all the same.
They are round long enough to know that some days you get the refereeing decisions going your way (AISF some years ago in Navan versus Kilmacud) and days you don't.
MUFC syndrome
Quote from: Canalman on February 15, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
Personally think the aura of Crossmaglen Rangers invinvibility which imo carried them over the line in some tight games may not be what it was. Don't think clubs are terrified of them (and are mentally beaten before game) as much anymore which maybe is the difference between winning and losing in tight games. Imo of course.
A great club all the same.
They are round long enough to know that some days you get the refereeing decisions going your way (AISF some years ago in Navan versus Kilmacud) and days you don't.
Whatever about teams being like that in Armagh to an extent I would not think that teams in the provincial or AI series would be beaten before the game has started. We lost an AI semi final by a point to a team who were in the final 2 years ago and have 4-5 seasoned county players. They only went ahead of us with 7 minutes to go and we would have been out of sight if we had taken our chances in the first half that we created. There's a fair good chance they will win the final. They played very well and got their tactics spot on in the second half but if a few things had been different we would be in the AI final now and people would be eulogizing about us and making us red hot favourites to win it out.
This group is an evolving one. There are 7 players who played Saturday played championship with me and I quit playing in 2005. The young lads coming through had added an extra pep to the step of the older players. The one thing the young lads have that a few recent additions to the squad don't have is size, 3-4 of them a 6 ft plus and they are all good ball players. Give these lads a season at senior league football and we will know if they have the cajones for the battle. If they do great, if they don't well the next group up will have to show their credentials. I don't know if teams where ever 'terrified' of us but we simply have an extraordinary level of self belief that we will not give up and Saturday once again showed that. We will be back and we will win our 7th and we will beat Nemo's record but when I'm not sure.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 15, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Canalman on February 15, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
Personally think the aura of Crossmaglen Rangers invinvibility which imo carried them over the line in some tight games may not be what it was. Don't think clubs are terrified of them (and are mentally beaten before game) as much anymore which maybe is the difference between winning and losing in tight games. Imo of course.
A great club all the same.
They are round long enough to know that some days you get the refereeing decisions going your way (AISF some years ago in Navan versus Kilmacud) and days you don't.
Whatever about teams being like that in Armagh to an extent I would not think that teams in the provincial or AI series would be beaten before the game has started. We lost an AI semi final by a point to a team who were in the final 2 years ago and have 4-5 seasoned county players. They only went ahead of us with 7 minutes to go and we would have been out of sight if we had taken our chances in the first half that we created. There's a fair good chance they will win the final. They played very well and got their tactics spot on in the second half but if a few things had been different we would be in the AI final now and people would be eulogizing about us and making us red hot favourites to win it out.
This group is an evolving one. There are 7 players who played Saturday played championship with me and I quit playing in 2005. The young lads coming through had added an extra pep to the step of the older players. The one thing the young lads have that a few recent additions to the squad don't have is size, 3-4 of them a 6 ft plus and they are all good ball players. Give these lads a season at senior league football and we will know if they have the cajones for the battle. If they do great, if they don't well the next group up will have to show their credentials. I don't know if teams where ever 'terrified' of us but we simply have an extraordinary level of self belief that we will not give up and Saturday once again showed that. We will be back and we will win our 7th and we will beat Nemo's record but when I'm not sure.
Why did it take them so long to introduce McKenna when Moran was lording midfield for the whole of the second half?
Not sure exactly what it was but he was carrying an injury of some description.
Fair play BC, as magnanimous in defeat as you were magnificent in victory.
Putting on my Mitchels hat, that was some win. Extremely proud of the effort of the players to hang on in there against a club like Cross and come away with the win.
Paddy Durcan is some man considering he only resumed full training 2 weeks ago after an operation he had after the Connacht Final.
Quote from: muppet on February 15, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Fair play BC, as magnanimous in defeat as you were magnificent in victory.
Putting on my Mitchels hat, that was some win. Extremely proud of the effort of the players to hang on in there against a club like Cross and come away with the win.
Paddy Durcan is some man considering he only resumed full training 2 weeks ago after an operation he had after the Connacht Final.
Congrats Muppet, I know who I'll be cheering for in the final. To win it Moran will need to give a full hour. He was very easily put off his game in the first half by Hanratty being physical. He got very frustrated and it was only when he and Durcan got a run at us that your boys got into it. He'll need to start the game the way he played the second half. Croke Park is unforgiving on a final day and it can destroy as well as make players.
Any truth in the rumour that the Cross boys were completely fired up at the interval until Oisin started his pep-talk and by the end of it half of them were nearly asleep??
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 15, 2016, 10:01:57 PM
Any truth in the rumour that the Cross boys were completely fired up at the interval until Oisin started his pep-talk and by the end of it half of them were nearly asleep??
They say class always shows through, and the same of true of a lack of class.
Quote from: muppet on February 15, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Fair play BC, as magnanimous in defeat as you were magnificent in victory.
Putting on my Mitchels hat, that was some win. Extremely proud of the effort of the players to hang on in there against a club like Cross and come away with the win.
Paddy Durcan is some man considering he only resumed full training 2 weeks ago after an operation he had after the Connacht Final.
That's 2 very impressive wins in a row for Castlebar
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Will be a close one I think . Both semis weren't great games . I didn't fancy cross after watching a quarter of a vincents team hockey them last summer in a challenge game .. I think cross have winning Ulster down to a tee but are finding the knockout stages in the all Ireland series more difficult these days
Two good teams in the final but I do fancy Boden . They have a deeper squad in my opinion . However they don't have a diarmuid Connolly
Quote from: INDIANA on February 16, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Will be a close one I think . Both semis weren't great games . I didn't fancy cross after watching a quarter of a vincents team hockey them last summer in a challenge game .. I think cross have winning Ulster down to a tee but are finding the knockout stages in the all Ireland series more difficult these days
Two good teams in the final but I do fancy Boden . They have a deeper squad in my opinion . However they don't have a diarmuid Connolly
We've lost the last 2 AI semis we have been in by 1 point in each game, one by a late fortunate scuffed goal and the the other by a late point from a team who hadn't lead the whole way through the game. I know you seem to think that the Vincents are the greatest thing since sliced bread but no harm to you but you know f**k all squared about football. The final will be tight but I reckon that the Mayo men have more big game players than BBSE and whoever wins the battle between Moran and McAuley will have a massive bearing on the result. On current form I would say that Moran has the edge.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 16, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Will be a close one I think . Both semis weren't great games . I didn't fancy cross after watching a quarter of a vincents team hockey them last summer in a challenge game .. I think cross have winning Ulster down to a tee but are finding the knockout stages in the all Ireland series more difficult these days
Two good teams in the final but I do fancy Boden . They have a deeper squad in my opinion . However they don't have a diarmuid Connolly
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 16, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Will be a close one I think . Both semis weren't great games . I didn't fancy cross after watching a quarter of a vincents team hockey them last summer in a challenge game .. I think cross have winning Ulster down to a tee but are finding the knockout stages in the all Ireland series more difficult these days
Two good teams in the final but I do fancy Boden . They have a deeper squad in my opinion . However they don't have a diarmuid Connolly
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
He is the Beyonce of gaelic football according to indy
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 16, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 16, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 15, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2016, 07:14:47 PM
Club football success is all in comparison to how Dublin clubs do. As it stands, historically Dublin clubs have 6 AIs between them. So have we so at least we are level with all the Dublin clubs(albeit probably only for a few weeks till BBSE beat Castlebar out the gate).
Was the level Cross and Castlebar playing at in their semi that much of a drop off from the Ballyboden v Clonmel game that Mitchels will be at sea in the final on Paddy's day?
I only watched the Castlebar v Cross game on tv ( I didn't see the other semi) and it seemed like a very good hard game of football played to a good standard. I know Cross missed a few bad points but I thought Castlebar did well to comeback and hold out for the win or is this Cross team a good bit below the All Ireland winning Cross teams of old?Again not being at the match it is tough to comment of the intensity and standard of the game.
Will be a close one I think . Both semis weren't great games . I didn't fancy cross after watching a quarter of a vincents team hockey them last summer in a challenge game .. I think cross have winning Ulster down to a tee but are finding the knockout stages in the all Ireland series more difficult these days
Two good teams in the final but I do fancy Boden . They have a deeper squad in my opinion . However they don't have a diarmuid Connolly
We've lost the last 2 AI semis we have been in by 1 point in each game, one by a late fortunate scuffed goal and the the other by a late point from a team who hadn't lead the whole way through the game. I know you seem to think that the Vincents are the greatest thing since sliced bread but no harm to you but you know f**k all squared about football. The final will be tight but I reckon that the Mayo men have more big game players than BBSE and whoever wins the battle between Moran and McAuley will have a massive bearing on the result. On current form I would say that Moran has the edge.
I know plenty about winning AI club titles . You have shag all to offer here like most things concerned with Armagh football these days . The dying embers of a bygone era . I think we will look elsewhere for a competitive challenge game this year
Did you get any modesty for Christmas , Indy?
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
Did you get any modesty for Christmas , Indy?
Indys modesty died the day of the Cluxton kick back in 2011! Since then he has no need to bow to inferior football mortals.
Fair enough Indy, you know more than me about winning AI club titles. Just for the record, in the history of the competition St Vincents club have won 3 AIs, I the history of my playing career I have won 3 AIs. So that puts me personally on the same bracket as the St Vincents club. I'll tell you here and now there is a greater chance we will win another before St Vincents win their next.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
Did you get any modesty for Christmas , Indy?
Indys modesty died the day of the Cluxton kick back in 2011! Since then he has no need to bow to inferior football mortals.
Reading his stuff makes me cringe. He reminds me of Alan Partridge. No Kerry or Kilkenny poster would ever produce such bilge.
Jaysus how many redners
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
I think even McKenna knows it was the Leinster final in all but name ;)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 05:47:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
I think even McKenna knows it was the Leinster final in all but name ;)
Indiana will tell you it was really the All-Ireland Final.
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 05:47:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
I think even McKenna knows it was the Leinster final in all but name ;)
Indiana will tell you it was really the All-Ireland Final.
What do you know about football, Muppet? I'm from Dublin and I once drank a Lucozade in the St Vincents clubhouse.
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 05:47:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
I think even McKenna knows it was the Leinster final in all but name ;)
Indiana will tell you it was really the All-Ireland Final.
What do you know about football, Muppet? I'm from Dublin and I once drank a Lucozade in the St Vincents clubhouse.
Actually I was in their clubhouse a few months ago.
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2016, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 16, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 05:47:42 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 16, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Didn't Ballyboden manage to hold Diarmuid Connolly scoreless in the Leinster final.
Delete that quickly before Ewan McKenna sees it.
I think even McKenna knows it was the Leinster final in all but name ;)
Indiana will tell you it was really the All-Ireland Final.
What do you know about football, Muppet? I'm from Dublin and I once drank a Lucozade in the St Vincents clubhouse.
Actually I was in their clubhouse a few months ago.
Yeah but you are not anointed cos you are not from Dublin. Nobody else knows anything about football.
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
Yes, he will get off. When was the last important GAA game that a Red Carded player served his Suspension? GAA Suspensions are a joke!
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
I would like to see a long appeals process and then justice being finally done, with him finally getting off in the Supreme Court of the Milky Way exactly 2 minutes before the throw-in.
Someone told me they saw Slab at the game on Saturday. Maybe Ballynoden could hire his solicitor
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
Yes, he will get off. When was the last important GAA game that a Red Carded player served his Suspension? GAA Suspensions are a joke!
John Mullane stands out as the last one not to appeal anyway.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 16, 2016, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
Yes, he will get off. When was the last important GAA game that a Red Carded player served his Suspension? GAA Suspensions are a joke!
John Mullane stands out as the last one not to appeal anyway.
Pretty certain Tipp hurlers have a terrible record recently in appealing suspensions, think calinan a year or two ago failed to get one overturned in the league....i could be wrong though
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 16, 2016, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 16, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
Quote from: tippabu on February 16, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Ive seen non of the cross game, from people who saw both games which refereeing performance was worse from the two semis? Im not neutral so did feel like boden got frees alot easier than we did, if i was from boden i might be saying the complete opposite, could be just my bias coming out. Obviously the equalising point from boden was shocking call from the ref and possibly the biggest decision of the two semis and the black card looked very very harsh for me too.
I see boden are objecting O'Mahoneys red card, cant blame them for trying but no chance in hell he should be getting off with it, red all day long and can have no complaints
Maybe he was being choked and in self defence hit out? ;)
Or maybe he say a wasp and was only trying to swat it away.
I have no doubt he will get off
Yes, he will get off. When was the last important GAA game that a Red Carded player served his Suspension? GAA Suspensions are a joke!
John Mullane stands out as the last one not to appeal anyway.
Pretty certain Tipp hurlers have a terrible record recently in appealing suspensions, think calinan a year or two ago failed to get one overturned in the league....i could be wrong though
Any football example?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 16, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Fair enough Indy, you know more than me about winning AI club titles. Just for the record, in the history of the competition St Vincents club have won 3 AIs, I the history of my playing career I have won 3 AIs. So that puts me personally on the same bracket as the St Vincents club. I'll tell you here and now there is a greater chance we will win another before St Vincents win their next.
Not a hope pal . We will look forward to rinsing you again soon in an AI semi final. You think you invented the game up there .
Vincents bringing in Alan Freeman, Enda Varley and Fiachra Breathnach. 3 big additions for new season. Pity to see all the big Dublin clubs recruiting outside the county
Dublin club football is crying out for a system whereby if someone moves up there for work, he is assigned to a club, he doesn't get to choose his own. He can select north city, south city or west city, but after that, it's up to the Dublin Co Board to assign him to a club.
If the players are let pick their own club, of course they are all going to want to go the same handful of really strong clubs & increase their chances of getting their hands on some silverware. The super clubs get stronger and the weak get weaker. It's very unfair.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 17, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
Vincents bringing in Alan Freeman, Enda Varley and Fiachra Breathnach. 3 big additions for new season. Pity to see all the big Dublin clubs recruiting outside the county
They've seen the success of Mayo players and seek to ensure that they win real games and not just challenge games.
Martin Penrose served a ban in the 2013 AI semi-final.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2016, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 16, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Fair enough Indy, you know more than me about winning AI club titles. Just for the record, in the history of the competition St Vincents club have won 3 AIs, I the history of my playing career I have won 3 AIs. So that puts me personally on the same bracket as the St Vincents club. I'll tell you here and now there is a greater chance we will win another before St Vincents win their next.
Not a hope pal . We will look forward to rinsing you again soon in an AI semi final. You think you invented the game up there .
Whatever you think Indy.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 17, 2016, 10:16:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2016, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 16, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Fair enough Indy, you know more than me about winning AI club titles. Just for the record, in the history of the competition St Vincents club have won 3 AIs, I the history of my playing career I have won 3 AIs. So that puts me personally on the same bracket as the St Vincents club. I'll tell you here and now there is a greater chance we will win another before St Vincents win their next.
Not a hope pal . We will look forward to rinsing you again soon in an AI semi final. You think you invented the game up there .
Whatever you think Indy.
I think Indy should be sectioned before the championship starts
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Did you get any modesty for Christmas , Indy?
Indys modesty died the day of the Cluxton kick back in 2011! Since then he has no need to bow to inferior football mortals.
Reading his stuff makes me cringe. He reminds me of Alan Partridge. No Kerry or Kilkenny poster would ever produce such bilge.
Excellent analogy.
However, you forgot the bit about Alan Partridge being a made up persona, and Steve Coogan doesn't actually believe most of what Alan Partridge says, but does it to wind people up for entertainment!
Quote from: Beffs on February 17, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
Dublin club football is crying out for a system whereby if someone moves up there for work, he is assigned to a club, he doesn't get to choose his own. He can select north city, south city or west city, but after that, it's up to the Dublin Co Board to assign him to a club.
If the players are let pick their own club, of course they are all going to want to go the same handful of really strong clubs & increase their chances of getting their hands on some silverware. The super clubs get stronger and the weak get weaker. It's very unfair.
Its a feckin joke.
Not sure the county board assigning players would work from a practical experience.
I would bring in a rule that a club can sign no more than one intercounty player in a 2 year period. There are plenty of clubs in Dublin to cover all the intercounty players who might want to play club football in Dublin.
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Kilmacud Crokes-Kevin Dyas(Armagh),Eugene Keating(Cavan),Brian Kavanagh(Longford),Dermot Geraghty(Mayo)
Olivier Plunketts-Tomas Corrigan(Fermanagh),Gary Reynolds(Leitrim),Alan O'Meara(Cavan),Johnny Gallagher(Donegal),Ciaran McKeever(Armagh)
St Vincents-Brendan Egan(Sligo),Fiachra Breathnach(Galway),Enda Varley(Mayo),Alan Freeman(Mayo),Lorcan Smyth(Westmeath),Joe Feeney(Armagh)
St Brigids-Emlyn Mulligan(Leitrm),Conor Moran(Mayo),John O'Loughlin(Laois),Neil Collins(Roscommon)
Ballyboden-Paul Durkan(Donegal),Daniel Davey (Sligo) Fergal Clancy(Leitrim)
Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Kilmacud Crokes-Kevin Dyas(Armagh),Eugene Keating(Cavan),Brian Kavanagh(Longford),Dermot Geraghty(Mayo)
Olivier Plunketts-Tomas Corrigan(Fermanagh),Gary Reynolds(Leitrim),Alan O'Meara(Cavan),Johnny Gallagher(Donegal),Ciaran McKeever(Armagh)
St Vincents-Brendan Egan(Sligo),Fiachra Breathnach(Galway),Enda Varley(Mayo),Alan Freeman(Mayo),Lorcan Smyth(Westmeath),Joe Feeney(Armagh)
St Brigids-Emlyn Mulligan(Leitrm),Conor Moran(Mayo),John O'Loughlin(Laois),Neil Collins(Roscommon)
Ballyboden-Paul Durkan(Donegal),Daniel Davey (Sligo) Fergal Clancy(Leitrim)
You're fairly up to speed, Lorcan Smyth only transferred to Vincent's a few days ago.
Do parnells not have a load of non dubs playing for them too ?
Quote from: tv pundit on February 18, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
Do parnells not have a load of non dubs playing for them too ?
Like the salmon of the Capistrano, aside from the Mort who still manages the gym, they've swam downstream when the money ran out.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Kilmacud Crokes-Kevin Dyas(Armagh),Eugene Keating(Cavan),Brian Kavanagh(Longford),Dermot Geraghty(Mayo)
Olivier Plunketts-Tomas Corrigan(Fermanagh),Gary Reynolds(Leitrim),Alan O'Meara(Cavan),Johnny Gallagher(Donegal),Ciaran McKeever(Armagh)
St Vincents-Brendan Egan(Sligo),Fiachra Breathnach(Galway),Enda Varley(Mayo),Alan Freeman(Mayo),Lorcan Smyth(Westmeath),Joe Feeney(Armagh)
St Brigids-Emlyn Mulligan(Leitrm),Conor Moran(Mayo),John O'Loughlin(Laois),Neil Collins(Roscommon)
Ballyboden-Paul Durkan(Donegal),Daniel Davey (Sligo) Fergal Clancy(Leitrim)
Some amount of non dubs playing their club football in Dublin and whatever the lure is I suppose the non dubs to Dublin club football will only increase in the years ahead.
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Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Kilmacud Crokes-Kevin Dyas(Armagh),Eugene Keating(Cavan),Brian Kavanagh(Longford),Dermot Geraghty(Mayo)
Olivier Plunketts-Tomas Corrigan(Fermanagh),Gary Reynolds(Leitrim),Alan O'Meara(Cavan),Johnny Gallagher(Donegal),Ciaran McKeever(Armagh)
St Vincents-Brendan Egan(Sligo),Fiachra Breathnach(Galway),Enda Varley(Mayo),Alan Freeman(Mayo),Lorcan Smyth(Westmeath),Joe Feeney(Armagh)
St Brigids-Emlyn Mulligan(Leitrm),Conor Moran(Mayo),John O'Loughlin(Laois),Neil Collins(Roscommon)
Ballyboden-Paul Durkan(Donegal),Daniel Davey (Sligo) Fergal Clancy(Leitrim)
Some amount of non dubs playing their club football in Dublin and whatever the lure is I suppose the non dubs to Dublin club football will only increase in the years ahead.
That is where the jobs are. Traipsing 3 hours over and back 3 times a week for training back home does not appeal to every player.
Maybe there should be an exiles team in Dublin? Set up specifically for blow ins?
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2016, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2016, 11:04:20 AM
Anyone got a list of the various Dublin superclubs and their list of intercounty blow ins? A few of the Armagh players playing down there at the minute. Who are the worst offenders?
Kilmacud Crokes-Kevin Dyas(Armagh),Eugene Keating(Cavan),Brian Kavanagh(Longford),Dermot Geraghty(Mayo)
Olivier Plunketts-Tomas Corrigan(Fermanagh),Gary Reynolds(Leitrim),Alan O'Meara(Cavan),Johnny Gallagher(Donegal),Ciaran McKeever(Armagh)
St Vincents-Brendan Egan(Sligo),Fiachra Breathnach(Galway),Enda Varley(Mayo),Alan Freeman(Mayo),Lorcan Smyth(Westmeath),Joe Feeney(Armagh)
St Brigids-Emlyn Mulligan(Leitrm),Conor Moran(Mayo),John O'Loughlin(Laois),Neil Collins(Roscommon)
Ballyboden-Paul Durkan(Donegal),Daniel Davey (Sligo) Fergal Clancy(Leitrim)
Some amount of non dubs playing their club football in Dublin and whatever the lure is I suppose the non dubs to Dublin club football will only increase in the years ahead.
That is where the jobs are. Traipsing 3 hours over and back 3 times a week for training back home does not appeal to every player.
They're not transferring county allegiance in most cases. Laois is not a 3 hour commute either!
A lad from Cross at work was saying that Oisin and John Mac had resigned. He cited that they had lost the confidence of the players...Bullshit I'd presume?
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 19, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
A lad from Cross at work was saying that Oisin and John Mac had resigned. He cited that they had lost the confidence of the players...Bullshit I'd presume?
It's true, how could you have confidence in management who helped get you to within a kick of an AI final when you were expected to struggle to get out of Armagh?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 19, 2016, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 19, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
A lad from Cross at work was saying that Oisin and John Mac had resigned. He cited that they had lost the confidence of the players...Bullshit I'd presume?
It's true, how could you have confidence in management who helped get you to within a kick of an AI final when you were expected to struggle to get out of Armagh?
Mine wasn't a facetious question, I would have thought like the rest of Armagh Cross would respect Oisin and John Mac for what they have achieved as players and with this Cross team. Or am I missing something.
Does anyone know if O Mahoney got his red card overturned
Quote from: whitey on March 14, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Does anyone know if O Mahoney got his red card overturned
Pretty sure (95%+) I saw it got rejected.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/declan-o-mahony-loses-all-ireland-club-final-appeal-1.2554619 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/declan-o-mahony-loses-all-ireland-club-final-appeal-1.2554619)
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 14, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 14, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Does anyone know if O Mahoney got his red card overturned
Pretty sure (95%+) I saw it got rejected.
Cheers....I didn't know if there'd be any late night drams like with Connolly last summer
Are Season ticket holders (Club) free in on Sunday?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 14, 2016, 08:29:19 PM
Are Season ticket holders (Club) free in on Sunday?
Yep, if you login and go to 'My Tickets', there's a special purchase which is free ticket for club final. Not great seats but sure will be easy enough move to a better seat
Quote from: Tubberman on March 14, 2016, 08:45:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 14, 2016, 08:29:19 PM
Are Season ticket holders (Club) free in on Sunday?
Yep, if you login and go to 'My Tickets', there's a special purchase which is free ticket for club final. Not great seats but sure will be easy enough move to a better seat
Can you link me to site? Thanx
It would be mighty to see Castlebar doing it. Hopefully they can. I think they're good enough anyway, I hope they play to their strengths, and get a few of their goals that they usually get.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 14, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
It would be mighty to see Castlebar doing it. Hopefully they can. I think they're good enough anyway, I hope they play to their strengths, and get a few of their goals that they usually get.
BBSE will be hard beat, but I think Mitchels can do it. Mitchels have a great squad and fellas who can come off the bench. Hard to believe they were still in with a shout at the 3/4 mark in 2014 even without Richie Feeney
Quote from: whitey on March 14, 2016, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 14, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
It would be mighty to see Castlebar doing it. Hopefully they can. I think they're good enough anyway, I hope they play to their strengths, and get a few of their goals that they usually get.
BBSE will be hard beat, but I think Mitchels can do it. Mitchels have a great squad and fellas who can come off the bench. Hard to believe they were still in with a shout at the 3/4 mark in 2014 even without Richie Feeney
They were never in the game in 2014. The match was over when Feeney went off. They were like a punch drunk boxer on the ropes before Connolly knocked them out
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 14, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
It would be mighty to see Castlebar doing it. Hopefully they can. I think they're good enough anyway, I hope they play to their strengths, and get a few of their goals that they usually get.
BBSE will be hard beat, but I think Mitchels can do it. Mitchels have a great squad and fellas who can come off the bench. Hard to believe they were still in with a shout at the 3/4 mark in 2014 even without Richie Feeney
They were never in the game in 2014. The match was over when Feeney went off. They were like a punch drunk boxer on the ropes before Connolly knocked them out
Mitchels were a point ahead after 43 minutes....
BBSE lucky to get out of Leinster, lucky in the semi. I think their luck will run out.
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It would be mighty to see Castlebar doing it. Hopefully they can. I think they're good enough anyway, I hope they play to their strengths, and get a few of their goals that they usually get.
BBSE will be hard beat, but I think Mitchels can do it. Mitchels have a great squad and fellas who can come off the bench. Hard to believe they were still in with a shout at the 3/4 mark in 2014 even without Richie Feeney
They were never in the game in 2014. The match was over when Feeney went off. They were like a punch drunk boxer on the ropes before Connolly knocked them out
Mitchels were a point ahead after 43 minutes ....Whitey, you must know that Indiana is the resident expert on all things gaelic football around here so if he says the game was over after 2 min. then it was over and never let the facts get in the way of any thing he posts.Shur hasn't he won numerous all ireland medals and is the only one on here to play in front of 80,000 people and his best mate is Diarmuid Connolly so he really should know.
QuoteMitchels were a point ahead after 43 minutes ....Whitey, you must know that Indiana is the resident expert on all things gaelic football around here so if he says the game was over after 2 min. then it was over and never let the facts get in the way of any thing he posts.Shur hasn't he won numerous all ireland medals and is the only one on here to play in front of 80,000 people and his best mate is Diarmuid Connolly so he really should know.
My memory from being at the game was that Vins were always going to win it after Feeney got the line -it was the second half when they pulled away but they always looked to be that bit better than Castlebar - However having seen BBSE a couple of times this year I think Castlebar are probably slight favourites for Thursday
Quote from: Declan on March 15, 2016, 09:12:18 AM
QuoteMitchels were a point ahead after 43 minutes ....Whitey, you must know that Indiana is the resident expert on all things gaelic football around here so if he says the game was over after 2 min. then it was over and never let the facts get in the way of any thing he posts.Shur hasn't he won numerous all ireland medals and is the only one on here to play in front of 80,000 people and his best mate is Diarmuid Connolly so he really should know.
My memory from being at the game was that Vins were always going to win it after Feeney got the line -it was the second half when they pulled away but they always looked to be that bit better than Castlebar - However having seen BBSE a couple of times this year I think Castlebar are probably slight favourites for Thursday
Hence my statement that they were still in with a shout at the 3/4 mark.(given that they were leading by a point at that stage of the game)
Fancy CM to win it. In fairness, I didn't fancy BBSE to make it this far at all and they have proved me wrong all along.
For some reason, the mantle of favouritism hangs heavy on the shoulders of Connacht teams in big games but I think CM will win and easily enough in the end although will be hoping both city teams win on the day.
I know Barry Moran plays with Castlebar. What other county lads do they have?
Quote from: Hound on March 15, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
I know Barry Moran plays with Castlebar. What other county lads do they have?
Tom Cunniffe would be the only other regular...
Expect to see Patrick Durcan start in Mayo half back line for the foreseeable future...
Douglas and Kirby yet to get and sustained run in the county team....
Quote from: ballinaman on March 15, 2016, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 15, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
I know Barry Moran plays with Castlebar. What other county lads do they have?
Tom Cunniffe would be the only other regular...
Expect to see Patrick Durcan start in Mayo half back line for the foreseeable future...
Douglas and Kirby yet to get and sustained run in the county team....
McDonagh and Douglas were fringe panelists last year as well
Quote from: whitey on March 15, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 15, 2016, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 15, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
I know Barry Moran plays with Castlebar. What other county lads do they have?
Tom Cunniffe would be the only other regular...
Expect to see Patrick Durcan start in Mayo half back line for the foreseeable future...
Douglas and Kirby yet to get and sustained run in the county team....
McDonagh and Douglas were fringe panelists last year as well
Was he?
AFAIK 4 of the backs, 1 midfielder and 3 of the forwards have lined out for Mayo since James Horan began his reign.
Quote from: muppet on March 15, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 15, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 15, 2016, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 15, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
I know Barry Moran plays with Castlebar. What other county lads do they have?
Tom Cunniffe would be the only other regular...
Expect to see Patrick Durcan start in Mayo half back line for the foreseeable future...
Douglas and Kirby yet to get and sustained run in the county team....
McDonagh and Douglas were fringe panelists last year as well
Was he?
AFAIK 4 of the backs, 1 midfielder and 3 of the forwards have lined out for Mayo since James Horan began his reign.
Thats what I was told, by someone whose usually knowledgeable on this stuff
Good luck to Mitchells today
Best of Luck to the Mitchels today. The buzz around Castlebar the last week has been amazing. There is more an expectation than hope that they will do it. Anyway hope the Red and Yellow ribbons are on Andy this evening.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Good luck to Mitchells today
Getting very jumpy now. 4pm is a long way away.
Quote from: muppet on March 17, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Good luck to Mitchells today
Getting very jumpy now. 4pm is a long way away.
Enjoy the day Muppet hopefully your lads can finish the job out today
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 17, 2016, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 17, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Good luck to Mitchells today
Getting very jumpy now. 4pm is a long way away.
Enjoy the day Muppet hopefully your lads can finish the job out today
As a betting man I'm wondering will they choke on the day?? What's your opinion BC1 and don't base it on cause they beat us :o
Any links for the club finals?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 17, 2016, 12:36:45 PM
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Quote from: muppet on March 17, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Good luck to Mitchells today
Getting very jumpy now. 4pm is a long way away.
Enjoy the day Muppet hopefully your lads can finish the job out today
As a betting man I'm wondering will they choke on the day?? What's your opinion BC1 and don't base it on cause they beat us :o
I think the experience of losing in 2014 and coming back strongly against us will stand them in good stead. I think they are a better team than BBSE and will win it out.
Latest: Cushendall 0-3 Na Piarsaigh 1-4
Big score there for Cushendall as we reach the halfway point in the first half. Shane McNaughton, the actor, fires over a beauty.
From GAA.ie
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Latest: Cushendall 0-3 Na Piarsaigh 1-7
Neil McManus has missed two very scoreable frees for the Ulster champions and Na Piarsaigh have punished those misses, with Dowling (free), Peter Casey and Alan Dempsey pointing in quick succession to make the gap seven.
Looking ominous for the Dall;
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Latest: Cushendall 0-3 Na Piarsaigh 1-10
Dowling with another free for Na Piarsaigh - he has been nerveless so far - and the Limerick champions lead by nine. A bloodied Neil McManus was forced off there, briefly, for Cushendall but he's back on the field now. And...Dempsey has added another for Na Piarsaigh.
so it seems!
Latest: Cushendall 0-5 Na Piarsaigh 2-10
GOAL FOR NA PIARSAIGH! A magnificent goal. A sweeping move ends up with Kevin Downes caressing the ball to the bottom left corner of the net in a deft, silky finish. Shane McNaughton and Conor Carson have responded for the Antrim champions but they trail by 11 now and are in real trouble.
Maybe they should get spiritual support from the ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn at half time?
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Latest: Cushendall 0-3 Na Piarsaigh 1-7
Neil McManus has missed two very scoreable frees for the Ulster champions and Na Piarsaigh have punished those misses, with Dowling (free), Peter Casey and Alan Dempsey pointing in quick succession to make the gap seven.
In fairness, I don't think McManus should have taken them as the missed frees came right after his marker played whack-a-mole with his head. It should have been concussion protocol time after that, and someone else should have had a go at the free, as even unconcussed, he wasn't going to compose himself in time.
They are outmatched. Na Piarsaigh are direct, powerful and accurate. Cushendall have some lovely hurlers but they are swimming against the tide at the moment.
Na Piarsaigh will do well to win this by anything less than 15 pts
Im trying to watch this online on TG4 website but its seems to be somthing else thats coming up? Any ideas?
http://www.tg4.ie/en/live/home/ (http://www.tg4.ie/en/live/home/)
Quote from: Christmas Lights on March 17, 2016, 02:47:00 PM
Im trying to watch this online on TG4 website but its seems to be somthing else thats coming up? Any ideas?
http://www.tg4.ie/en/live/home/ (http://www.tg4.ie/en/live/home/)
Unfortunately you may have to shell out to gaago ( if you're outside ireland)
got it sorted, Hola Unblocker and chnaged to Ireland.
Now working a charm. Ruairi Og's getting stuffed :-[
Latest: Cushendall 1-10 Na Piarsaigh 2-19
McManus with a point for Cushendall but it's hard to avoid the sense that their goose is cooked here.
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Latest: Cushendall 1-10 Na Piarsaigh 2-19
McManus with a point for Cushendall but it's hard to avoid the sense that their goose is cooked here.
Even burnt!
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Latest: Cushendall 2-13 Na Piarsaigh 2-24
GOAL FOR CUSHENDALL...but it's too late to have a real effect. McManus arrows one at goal from distance and Karl McKeegan flicks to the net, deftly, behind his back. We're almost into injury-time now, but to their credit, Cushendall, bearlike, have fought the course.
All Ballyboden so far. Castlebar very sluggish.
Castlebar have let the occasion get to them so far. The man in the scoring zone needs to take responsibility and go for the score and settle them
Chokers
Castlebar will probably settle at some point but they haven't done a great job limiting the damage here.
Very evident from the first Castlebar attack that nobody wanted to take any responsibility.
Maybe now they are so far behind they will throw caution to the wind.
Jesus CM have been brutal so far and as JoG2 said, their forwards seem to want it on the 14 in front of the posts before considering a shot.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 17, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Chokers
Completely and very surprised at them. Can't do the basics and the longer they go without scoring the harder it'll be. Poor game.
They've dumped the trunks
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Quote from: macdanger2 on March 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Good luck to Mitchells today
Getting very jumpy now. 4pm is a long way away.
Enjoy the day Muppet hopefully your lads can finish the job out today
As a betting man I'm wondering will they choke on the day?? What's your opinion BC1 and don't base it on cause they beat us :o
I think the experience of losing in 2014 and coming back strongly against us will stand them in good stead. I think they are a better team than BBSE and will win it out.
At this rate Cross must be happy they didn't make the final
Game over. Castlebar learned nothing from 2 years ago. Far too wild in possession and shooting from start. Brutal decision making.
Looks like they have choked unfortunately.
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Chokers
Completely and very surprised at them. Can't do the basics and the longer they go without scoring the harder it'll be. Poor game.
Just remember my preview BC.
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Chokers
Completely and very surprised at them. Can't do the basics and the longer they go without scoring the harder it'll be. Poor game.
Just remember my preview BC.
If you're right you're right. A lot of football to be played yet
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 17, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Chokers
Completely and very surprised at them. Can't do the basics and the longer they go without scoring the harder it'll be. Poor game.
Just remember my preview BC.
If you're right you're right. A lot of football to be played yet
A broken clock....
For an experienced intercounty player like Moran to drop it into the keeper's hands from that position is criminal.
Castlebar needed that score so badly.
This is already an embarrassment. It could become a humiliation unless Mitchels can completely turn things around. Hard to see it.
Still can t make a decision to save their lives.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2016, 04:23:49 PM
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 17, 2016, 04:18:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 17, 2016, 04:15:39 PM
Chokers
Completely and very surprised at them. Can't do the basics and the longer they go without scoring the harder it'll be. Poor game.
Just remember my preview BC.
If you're right you're right. A lot of football to be played yet
A broken clock....
The clock is broken an awful lot then so ...........
Boden get a lot of players back when CM get forward but you wouldn't think CM were one of the country's top clubs if today was your first day seeing them, they've been awful.
Castlebar don't seem to have any cutting edge.
Too small and light in the FF line.
Being physically dominated.
I expect them to dominate the middle 3rd for the rest of the game but I don't see where the scores will come from.
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2016, 04:27:19 PM
This is already an embarrassment.
Even I'm embarrassed for them. Improved slightly near half time but......
Poor game. Mitchell's are awful. 3 points flatter them
Hopefully Castlebar have more fight in them for the 2nd half. No neutral or Castlebar supporter wants to see a one sided All Ireland final like this.
MDM got injured early on and is on one leg. Castlebar getting plenty of possession but their forwards are a joke. Nasty elbow on Darragh Nelson in 1st half, can't believe ref did nothing. Biden look dangerous every time they go forward
Quote from: Zulu on March 17, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
Boden get a lot of players back when CM get forward but you wouldn't think CM were one of the country's top clubs if today was your first day seeing them, they've been awful.
CM haven't played anyone in Boden's league this year.
Said it pre-game playing the top 6 clubs in Dublin is a different ball game to anything they played to date
Can CM adjust to the pace in the second half and make a game of it. No goals and Boden win the game.
They played last year's AI winners?
It's a pity as this game looks like it's just going to meander to a Boden win by 8-10 points. CM inter county players have been MIA and there is certainly nothing there to help their county forwards.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 17, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
Boden get a lot of players back when CM get forward but you wouldn't think CM were one of the country's top clubs if today was your first day seeing them, they've been awful.
CM haven't played anyone in Boden's league this year.
Said it pre-game playing the top 6 clubs in Dublin is a different ball game to anything they played to date
Can CM adjust to the pace in the second half and make a game of it. No goals and Boden win the game.
Ah now in fairness they beat last year's All-Ireland champions in the Connacht final and Corofin would do just fine in Dublin. Even though Corofin were not going as well this year as last.
Think it's just a severe under performance from Castlebar today unfortunately for them.
Why Mayo.
Brigids fought back from eight down against a better side three years ago.
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2016, 05:01:23 PM
Why Mayo.
Brigids fought back from eight down against a better side three years ago.
Boden are better then ballymun. Ballymun were the weakest dublin champions sine Brigids. Don't get ideas
A system failure from the start. The response to early goal was shocking. They were wild instead of settling things down. Only team and management can explain how this could have happened. I for one would not like to be trying to explain this away. Reflects very poorly on preparation and management.
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Quote from: Zulu on March 17, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
Boden get a lot of players back when CM get forward but you wouldn't think CM were one of the country's top clubs if today was your first day seeing them, they've been awful.
CM haven't played anyone in Boden's league this year.
Said it pre-game playing the top 6 clubs in Dublin is a different ball game to anything they played to date
Can CM adjust to the pace in the second half and make a game of it. No goals and Boden win the game.
Ah now in fairness they beat last year's All-Ireland champions in the Connacht final and Corofin would do just fine in Dublin. Even though Corofin were not going as well this year as last.
Think it's just a severe under performance from Castlebar today unfortunately for them.
Corofin would do well in Dublin. Very few other teams would. Corofin were knackered against CM.
I don't think any of the current clubs from Ulster or Connacht would. Cross previous vintage would have well in Dublin- current vintage wouldnt though
Portlaoise are a better team then CM for example.
Well done Ballyboden but today's story is all about CM not getting out of bed. Everything else is noise.
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
A system failure from the start. The response to early goal was shocking. They were wild instead of settling things down. Only team and management can explain how this could have happened. I for one would not like to be trying to explain this away. Reflects very poorly on preparation and management.
It isn't always the managements fault. They can't be blamed for so many CM players being unable to do the basics or shoot even reasonably well.
Even TG4 have taken pity on us? :P
Most teams would beat Castlebar the way they played today. Credit to BBSE but not like they faced any sort of resistance. Kicking wide from 30m out you don't deserve to win
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Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
A system failure from the start. The response to early goal was shocking. They were wild instead of settling things down. Only team and management can explain how this could have happened. I for one would not like to be trying to explain this away. Reflects very poorly on preparation and management.
It isn't always the managements fault. They can't be blamed for so many CM players being unable to do the basics or shoot even reasonably well.
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Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2016, 05:01:23 PM
Why Mayo.
Brigids fought back from eight down against a better side three years ago.
Boden are better then ballymun. Ballymun were the weakest dublin champions sine Brigids. Don't get ideas
I believe you Indy.
Hard to take much away from Ballyboden but this has been one of the biggest blow outs you will ever see in a final especially considering Castlebar were red hot favourites. Total systems failure
Quote from: Zulu on March 17, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
A system failure from the start. The response to early goal was shocking. They were wild instead of settling things down. Only team and management can explain how this could have happened. I for one would not like to be trying to explain this away. Reflects very poorly on preparation and management.
It isn't always the managements fault. They can't be blamed for so many CM players being unable to do the basics for shoot even reasonably well.
Mitchel's went in completely flat and undercooked. Didn t learn from awful poor start in semi that could have ended them as well. Sleepwalked into this final by looks of it. BB clearly had their homework done but it looks like Mitchel's went in off the cuff as is the Mayo way sadly.
Anyway it has turned into an awful humiliation. I feel sorry for the supporters.
Another shit day for a Mayo team in Croke Park. >:( :-\ :'(
Quote from: general_lee on March 17, 2016, 05:14:10 PM
Most teams would beat Castlebar the way they played today. Credit to BBSE but not like they faced any sort of resistance. Kicking wide from 30m out you don't deserve to win
Because of the pressure they are under- they haven't played against a defence anywhere near Bodens standard all year bar Corofin.
The Cross semi final as I said at the time was actually quite a poorish standard when you looked at it in the cold light of day
But because we have a Northern based message board it grew legs as being a great game.
Boden were very confident going into this game and it's easy to see why
Quote from: Zulu on March 17, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
A system failure from the start. The response to early goal was shocking. They were wild instead of settling things down. Only team and management can explain how this could have happened. I for one would not like to be trying to explain this away. Reflects very poorly on preparation and management.
It isn't always the managements fault. They can't be blamed for so many CM players being unable to do the basics or shoot even reasonably well.
Agreed 100%. The players have lost this one. The lack of responsibility and continously taking the easy option, which has so often been an easy pass to man a man in a worse position, has been their downfall. So many CM players have spent their day hiding... They'll be alot of regrets in their changing room post match. Rabbits in the headlights stuff
Ballyboden a very good team and worthy winners.
Ballyboden having the craic now. Congrats to them but Mitchell's need to reflect on an awful performance.
Even single Castlebar person I spoke to over the last few weeks, convinced they were going to win. It was as if losing in 2013 gave them the right to win today, believed their own hype. Shocking stuff.
Angry after watching that. What were they thinking?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2016, 05:18:53 PM
Another shit day for a Mayo team in Croke Park. >:( :-\ :'(
Ah Far! Get off the fence and call it as it is! :P
Jesus castlebar were utterly awful. How did they beat XMG ??
Shades of Mayo in 2006...ah we learned from 2004, that won't happen again...
As Billy Fity would say, you need to keed the scoreboard ticking over.
When they went 4/5 points down early on, the wheels fell off the wagon and they began to overcook everything. Players with clear opportunities to have a pot, passing to team mates in worse positions.
Crazy stuff.....if they had started kicking points early in the second half instead of going for goals, I honestly believe theyd have gotten it down to 4/5 points. Who knows what would have happened then
Quote from: ashman on March 17, 2016, 05:28:49 PM
Jesus castlebar were utterly awful. How did they beat XMG ??
Awful bad first half nearly did for them in semi as well. They didn t learn.
Didn't see that result coming. Fair play Boden but Castlebar didn't turn up
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2016, 05:18:53 PM
Another shit day for a Mayo team in Croke Park. >:( :-\ :'(
CrossmolinA and Ballina did it. It is not the same as the county team thing. Castlebar should learn from this and come back within 2 years to finish the job. That is how club works. Some good teams are slow learners.
Quote from: whitey on March 17, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
As Billy Fity would say, you need to keed the scoreboard ticking over.
When they went 4/5 points down early on, the wheels fell off the wagon and they began to overcook everything. Players with clear opportunities to have a pot, passing to team mates in worse positions.
Crazy stuff.....if they had started kicking points early in the second half instead of going for goals, I honestly believe theyd have gotten it down to 4/5 points. Who knows what would have happened then
They'd have lost that's what would have happened. Outclassed
At least one person called the result right well in advance. Others need to reflect. ;D
Quote from: whitey on March 17, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
As Billy Fity would say, you need to keed the scoreboard ticking over.
When they went 4/5 points down early on, the wheels fell off the wagon and they began to overcook everything. Players with clear opportunities to have a pot, passing to team mates in worse positions.
Crazy stuff.....if they had started kicking points early in the second half instead of going for goals, I honestly believe theyd have gotten it down to 4/5 points. Who knows what would have happened then
Ah they were left with to much to do to early! You can't legislate for that! Mitchels are renowned for having had crap starts the last couple of years in Big games, and got goals back early to get them out of trouble. Did not happen today. Boden were to disciplined in the backs. Well drilled!
You have to admit that the Dublin factor which is part of the Intercounty success comes from the Clubs in Dublin. The Huge investment of money and time is paying back ten fold.
Indiana is right. There is a huge difference in the setup of Dublin teams, their Championship and the Money involved. This is their next level of Domination.
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Quote from: whitey on March 17, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
As Billy Fity would say, you need to keed the scoreboard ticking over.
When they went 4/5 points down early on, the wheels fell off the wagon and they began to overcook everything. Players with clear opportunities to have a pot, passing to team mates in worse positions.
Crazy stuff.....if they had started kicking points early in the second half instead of going for goals, I honestly believe theyd have gotten it down to 4/5 points. Who knows what would have happened then
Ah they were left with to much to do to early! You can't legislate for that! Mitchels are renowned for having had crap starts the last couple of years in Big games, and got goals back early to get them out of trouble. Did not happen today. Boden were to disciplined in the backs. Well drilled!
You have to admit that the Dublin factor which is part of the Intercounty success comes from the Clubs in Dublin. The Huge investment of money and time is paying back ten fold.
Indiana is right. There is a huge difference in the setup of Dublin teams, their Championship and the Money involved. This is their next level of Domination.
Portlaoise and Clonmel nearly beat Boden.
The reality is CM believed their own press coming into the game and they thought Boden were a lesser Dublin championship winning side.
I couldn't understand why people were so optimistic based on a one point win over a pretty limited Cross side
Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2016, 05:18:53 PM
Another shit day for a Mayo team in Croke Park. >:( :-\ :'(
CrossmolinA and Ballina did it. It is not the same as the county team thing. Castlebar should learn from this and come back within 2 years to finish the job. That is how club works. Some good teams are slow learners.
Can t see them come back after that. No way. Most good teams don t even get 2 chances. They've blown it I'm afraid.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 05:49:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2016, 05:41:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 17, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
As Billy Fity would say, you need to keed the scoreboard ticking over.
When they went 4/5 points down early on, the wheels fell off the wagon and they began to overcook everything. Players with clear opportunities to have a pot, passing to team mates in worse positions.
Crazy stuff.....if they had started kicking points early in the second half instead of going for goals, I honestly believe theyd have gotten it down to 4/5 points. Who knows what would have happened then
Ah they were left with to much to do to early! You can't legislate for that! Mitchels are renowned for having had crap starts the last couple of years in Big games, and got goals back early to get them out of trouble. Did not happen today. Boden were to disciplined in the backs. Well drilled!
You have to admit that the Dublin factor which is part of the Intercounty success comes from the Clubs in Dublin. The Huge investment of money and time is paying back ten fold.
Indiana is right. There is a huge difference in the setup of Dublin teams, their Championship and the Money involved. This is their next level of Domination.
Portlaoise and Clonmel nearly beat Boden.
The reality is CM believed their own press coming into the game and they thought Boden were a lesser Dublin championship winning side.
I couldn't understand why people were so optimistic based on a one point win over a pretty limited Cross side
They Know better now! Don't they?
Quote from: general_lee on March 17, 2016, 05:51:24 PM
Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
Heard there that Castlebar travelled up by bus this morning and it was a team decision.Crazy stuff if true
Mayo teams should nearly be banned from All Ireland finals! It is a pity Cross got beat in semi final because at least they would have made a game of it. To be fair today's game reminded me of Armagh County finals the last few years. The team playing Cross doesn't turn up because of the occasion. We all know they are better than that but that is no use to anyone.
On the match itself the early scores meant that Boden could hold their blanket defence and catch Castlebar on the break. They were quick on the break and took their scores well. They remind me of how Tyrone play. Castlebar lost all sense of tactics and any attempt to beat the blanket.
The way Boden play is not like the majority of club teams and the strength of their county championship may be the reason. The Dublin club championship could also provide a longer term problem for the GAA in that there are so many outsiders transferring to Dublin clubs that the club championship may become too Dublincentric so to speak. It also makes it difficult for young Dubs to get playing for their club senior team. This may stop participation and all the money that has been spent will be wasted.
Related to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
Castlebar didn't turn up. I wonder did the 'bigger' semi wins for them and Cushendall get into their heads? Both teams played similarly poorly and didn't cope with the day and intensity of the opposition. Fair play to BB and fair dues to Indy in calling the winner in a 4 horse race early on. CM are better than today but I don't see them being back.
Congrats to Ballyboden, the settled early and kept the scoreboard ticking over.
We never settled at all. We looked like a team used to runing on sand being put on an Olympic track. Very disappointed we never asked any real questions of them and didn't give a proper account of ourselves.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 17, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
Mayo teams should nearly be banned from All Ireland finals! It is a pity Cross got beat in semi final because at least they would have made a game of it. To be fair today's game reminded me of Armagh County finals the last few years. The team playing Cross doesn't turn up because of the occasion. We all know they are better than that but that is no use to anyone.
On the match itself the early scores meant that Boden could hold their blanket defence and catch Castlebar on the break. They were quick on the break and took their scores well. They remind me of how Tyrone play. Castlebar lost all sense of tactics and any attempt to beat the blanket.
The way Boden play is not like the majority of club teams and the strength of their county championship may be the reason. The Dublin club championship could also provide a longer term problem for the GAA in that there are so many outsiders transferring to Dublin clubs that the club championship may become too Dublincentric so to speak. It also makes it difficult for young Dubs to get playing for their club senior team. This may stop participation and all the money that has been spent will be wasted.
Related to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
I'd say Paul Durcan will be pretty happy on his journey back to Qatar!
Utterly dreadful club final fare in both football and hurling for the second year in a row, played in front of a poor crowd with no atmosphere.
A disgrace that these matches were played in such good conditions - time to relegate them back to provincial pitches, and muck, wind and rain in December where they belong.
Quote from: muppet on March 17, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
Congrats to Ballyboden, the settled early and kept the scoreboard ticking over.
We never settled at all. We looked like a team used to runing on sand being put on an Olympic track. Very disappointed we never asked any real questions of them and didn't give a proper account of ourselves.
Commiserations Muppet - I still can't get my head around that CB performance
Before the game you could have got Ballyboden at 4/1 to win that final. Only last night I checked 2016 Dublin championship odds and Ballyboden were fifth favourites to retain that title. Remarkable final win by Ballyboden well done to them however on the day it must be said Castlebar were truly awful.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 17, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
Mayo teams should nearly be banned from All Ireland finals! It is a pity Cross got beat in semi final because at least they would have made a game of it. To be fair today's game reminded me of Armagh County finals the last few years. The team playing Cross doesn't turn up because of the occasion. We all know they are better than that but that is no use to anyone.
On the match itself the early scores meant that Boden could hold their blanket defence and catch Castlebar on the break. They were quick on the break and took their scores well. They remind me of how Tyrone play. Castlebar lost all sense of tactics and any attempt to beat the blanket.
The way Boden play is not like the majority of club teams and the strength of their county championship may be the reason. The Dublin club championship could also provide a longer term problem for the GAA in that there are so many outsiders transferring to Dublin clubs that the club championship may become too Dublincentric so to speak. It also makes it difficult for young Dubs to get playing for their club senior team. This may stop participation and all the money that has been spent will be wasted.
Related to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
Outsiders transferring in is a problem but as I've said before Dublin needs a different transfer policy then the rest of the country.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 17, 2016, 06:02:34 PM
Castlebar didn't turn up. I wonder did the 'bigger' semi wins for them and Cushendall get into their heads? Both teams played similarly poorly and didn't cope with the day and intensity of the opposition. Fair play to BB and fair dues to Indy in calling the winner in a 4 horse race early on. CM are better than today but I don't see them being back.
The 'Boden manager could motivate his team with something like "Castlebar have been in the final before, they've beaten previous champions in Corofin and Cross', we've managed to beat the Tipp champions in extra time, we really really need to up our game here". Probably the Castlebar manager didn't say the opposite, but it got into people's heads all the same. Boden were possibly a bit too relaxed in the semi final and almost got caught, but it was all or nothing for them today and they delivered, Castlebar did not.
I'd say you would have got brave odds for Boden +10!!
Feel sorry for Mitchels! Thems the breaks. Easy for the various shouts from the stands and keyboard warriors to tell them they lacked this and they lacked that! These lads have put at least 15 months into this project, and it is a long Journey. A long Journey that can go wrong at any stage. Unfortunately it went badly wrong for Mitchels at the (very) final stage! A disappointing day for their neighbours, friends and family who the players have to return to and wade through the disappointment of today.
For those of you complaining about MAYO teams getting to finals! Well tough sh!te! If your your Club or county is good enough to beat us on the way to a final well and good. If not, well put up and shut up! Mitchel were in the final on merit and them not performing was their own business. They don't have to apologise to anyone out side their own town and club for the performance.
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
you have to have the players. CM don't
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2016, 06:28:52 PM
Feel sorry for Mitchels! Thems the breaks. Easy for the various shouts from the stands and keyboard warriors to tell them they lacked this and they lacked that! These lads have put at least 15 months into this project, and it is a long Journey. A long Journey that can go wrong at any stage. Unfortunately it went badly wrong for Mitchels at the (very) final stage! A disappointing day for their neighbours, friends and family who the players have to return to and wade through the disappointment of today.
For those of you complaining about MAYO teams getting to finals! Well tough sh!te! If your your Club or county is good enough to beat us on the way to a final well and good. If not, well put up and shut up! Mitchel were in the final on merit and them not performing was their own business. They don't have to apologise to anyone out side their own town and club for the performance.
I was only joking. I wish my club were there but they are too afraid of Cross.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
you have to have the players. CM don't
FFS indy. New players come through, fellas learn fom defeat and journeymen play out of their skins That is club. It is not the same as county.
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
you have to have the players. CM don't
FFS indy. New players come through, fellas learn fom defeat and journeymen play out of their skins That is club. It is not the same as county.
They haven't learned anything from two years. Again I couldn't see the optimism beforehand. Boden had multiple county and former county players on view with a bench of senior inter county hurlers with huge fitness levels waiting to come on.
Everyone seemed to think CM just had to turn up today. If you matched the teams up beforehand everything pointed to a Boden win
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
you have to have the players. CM don't
FFS indy. New players come through, fellas learn fom defeat and journeymen play out of their skins That is club. It is not the same as county.
They haven't learned anything from two years. Again I couldn't see the optimism beforehand. Boden had multiple county and former county players on view with a bench of senior inter county hurlers with huge fitness levels waiting to come on.
Everyone seemed to think CM just had to turn up today. If you matched the teams up beforehand everything pointed to a Boden win
Fair enough! Hope you made a killing in the bookies?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2016, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 17, 2016, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2016, 06:39:09 PM
Loads of other clubs have lost finals before winning. We had an awful day in 88 losing to Midleton while Clan na nGael lost to Burren. It was a miserable drive home. I think someone tipped the car for good measure. We ended up winning 3 titles. Success is all about how a team responds to the bad days.
you have to have the players. CM don't
FFS indy. New players come through, fellas learn fom defeat and journeymen play out of their skins That is club. It is not the same as county.
They haven't learned anything from two years. Again I couldn't see the optimism beforehand. Boden had multiple county and former county players on view with a bench of senior inter county hurlers with huge fitness levels waiting to come on.
Everyone seemed to think CM just had to turn up today. If you matched the teams up beforehand everything pointed to a Boden win
Fair enough! Hope you made a killing in the bookies?
Funny all the people wasting their money on Cheltenham- this was the easiest bet of the day. So yes I made a nice few quid
At 1-2 to 0-0 i thought cb should have been borderline level. They just kept taking the wrong otion past the 45 and it just escalated from there. I can pnly assume the day got to them. Cunnifee should have seen black too and was lucky.
Boden slick and have a lot of players who would make most county teams bar dublin.
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Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
Are you sure?
Let's see who wins on March 17.
Folks my contacts in Dublin tell me Indian a is not a St Vincents man.he from a small junior club in Dublin who was recently barred from a Dublin forum.
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Thought the Cross Castlebar game was superb.
Barry Moran lorded it for Castlebar in the middle of the park for Castlebar and they just dominated Cross in the second half. For me, the game was lost on the line for Cross, why did they leave it until injury time to introduce McKenna when Moran was so influential. He's the only player in the entire Cross squad with the size to match or negate Moran. If Cross could have broken an even or even 40% of the primary ball then they would have won such was the joy Clarke was having inside when the ball was going in.
Once again the old start a melee proved the surefire way to effectively run down the clock, that's not a slant on Castlebar either. Any team that has a serious notion of being successful at that level have to know how to bend the rules to their advantage, but when are referees going to clamp down on it and add the time on? It's the only way to combat and deter this which is becoming all the more commonplace.
How many of those Cross boys will join up with the Armagh panel now? Young O'Neill looks a big talent and Rushe at full back is definitely one to look out for. Actually felt sorry for Rushe today, very much a victim of the Cross arrogance/virtuousness in that he was left one on one on the edge of the square today with a guy who had a 3 or 4 inch advantage of him, maybe that's more of an indication of the modern game that I'm bemoaning that but I felt he did well under the circumstances.
Castlebar should win the final comfortably.
Ballyboden looked really average in the other semi.
Ballyboden have more better players then Castebar in my opinion. They played as bady as could yesterday with 14 men and won.
They have a former inter county footballer of the year, multiple formerDublin minors and u21s , former Dublin senior footballers ,and a number of senior inter county hurlers who are very good footballers with inter county levels of fitness to call on. Boden will have someone to shut down Durkan.
They will win the final in my opinion. I wasn't massively impressed with the quality of either game. I thought both of them were largely crap.
Indy
Club is about how good your weakest player is, not what galacticos are on the team
My club has been lucky enough to have won 3 AI Club Titles . I'm aware of what's required
Are you sure?
Let's see who wins on March 17.
Folks my contacts in Dublin tell me Indian a is not a St Vincents man.he from a small junior club in Dublin who was recently barred from a Dublin forum.
Well your sources are wrong then. 2 posts? Yeah I'll take you as a serious poster then so ;D
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Congrats to Ballyboden, the settled early and kept the scoreboard ticking over.
We never settled at all. We looked like a team used to runing on sand being put on an Olympic track. Very disappointed we never asked any real questions of them and didn't give a proper account of ourselves.
A shite final showing ruins a very good year - where have we seen that before.
Very hard to sit through something like that today Muppet. Commiserations.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 17, 2016, 06:00:01 PMRelated to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
I have heard something about one of the local Ballyboden players actually getting into a serious fight with Durcan over him taking up a potentially more deserving players place in the team. It was well hushed up before this game.
Not at all surprised at the Mayo boys' collapse. Crossmaglen would have given boden a much better game.
Crikey, where was the snarly streetsmart CM team that dare I say it bullied Crossmaglen in the semis. After today , many teams kicking themselves (St Vincents, Portlaoise,Clonmel), others scratching their heads (Corofin, Crossmaglen) .
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Have to say well done to BBSE who proved me wrong big time.
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For those of you complaining about MAYO teams getting to finals! Well tough sh!te! If your your Club or county is good enough to beat us on the way to a final well and good. If not, well put up and shut up! Mitchel were in the final on merit and them not performing was their own business. They don't have to apologise to anyone out side their own town and club for the performance.
I'm sorry but I disagree completely. They f**king shit themselves worse than any team I've seen at that level. They went out without a wimper and they deserve any criticism they get. So what they trained for x amount of months - doesn't make then immune. Not to kick them when they're down but if it was complacency or sheer mental weakness to kick wides from inside 30m they deserve ridicule. There's the same problem in armagh, teams can't beat cross even though they're good enough (and I include my own club) but lack the balls to go into a final and see them off. And they'll be the first to kiss the Crossmaglen holes when they're away playing in ulster for the millionth time instead of figuring how to overcome the mental block in championship
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
Ah now give some credit to Leinster and Dublin Champions for their great win today!
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
Ah now give some credit to Leinster and Dublin Champions for their great win today!
Connacht sides have the worst record in this competition.
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
Ah now give some credit to Leinster and Dublin Champions for their great win today!
Connacht sides have the worst record in this competition.
Well there has to be someone who has the worst record! :P
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For those of you complaining about MAYO teams getting to finals! Well tough sh!te! If your your Club or county is good enough to beat us on the way to a final well and good. If not, well put up and shut up! Mitchel were in the final on merit and them not performing was their own business. They don't have to apologise to anyone out side their own town and club for the performance.
I'm sorry but I disagree completely. They f**king shit themselves worse than any team I've seen at that level. They went out without a wimper and they deserve any criticism they get. So what they trained for x amount of months - doesn't make then immune. Not to kick them when they're down but if it was complacency or sheer mental weakness to kick wides from inside 30m they deserve ridicule. There's the same problem in armagh, teams can't beat cross even though they're good enough (and I include my own club) but lack the balls to go into a final and see them off. And they'll be the first to kiss the Crossmaglen holes when they're away playing in ulster for the millionth time instead of figuring how to overcome the mental block in championship
I doubt complacency and mental weakness were anything to do with it. For me it was yet another team let down by preparation in run up to final.
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
Ah now give some credit to Leinster and Dublin Champions for their great win today!
Connacht sides have the worst record in this competition.
Well there has to be someone who has the worst record! :P
Yeah but it's 50% of the other provinces.
I'm convinced CM's problem's today all came from the fact they were so confident going in.
I couldn't understand it pre-game............ Based on beating a good but not great Cross side
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For those of you complaining about MAYO teams getting to finals! Well tough sh!te! If your your Club or county is good enough to beat us on the way to a final well and good. If not, well put up and shut up! Mitchel were in the final on merit and them not performing was their own business. They don't have to apologise to anyone out side their own town and club for the performance.
I'm sorry but I disagree completely. They f**king shit themselves worse than any team I've seen at that level. They went out without a wimper and they deserve any criticism they get. So what they trained for x amount of months - doesn't make then immune. Not to kick them when they're down but if it was complacency or sheer mental weakness to kick wides from inside 30m they deserve ridicule. There's the same problem in armagh, teams can't beat cross even though they're good enough (and I include my own club) but lack the balls to go into a final and see them off. And they'll be the first to kiss the Crossmaglen holes when they're away playing in ulster for the millionth time instead of figuring how to overcome the mental block in championship
I doubt complacency and mental weakness were anything to do with it. For me it was yet another team let down by preparation in run up to final.
Durcans slice kickouts to the side line was basically a re run of Cluxton in 2013 final...
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
Ah now give some credit to Leinster and Dublin Champions for their great win today!
Connacht sides have the worst record in this competition.
Well there has to be someone who has the worst record! :P
Yeah but it's 50% of the other provinces.
I'm convinced CM's problem's today all came from the fact they were so confident going in.
I couldn't understand it pre-game............ Based on beating a good but not great Cross side
Well you've been proven right. The blind eyes were opened!
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Because Boden were pretty shit up to now
Only shit sides win AI's by 12 points.
The Clonmel and cross sub benches combined would have bate Castlebar by 12
even that kilmurray side from 2010 would have beaten castlebar today. brutal stuff from castlebar and all criticism is 100% deserved.
I agree with moysider. The 1st goal was a perfect example of naivety which if coached properly would not happen. A player should have cynically stopped that quick free from been played in by "accidentally" standing in the way. I counted 4 mitchells near him. Any northern team would have done that. The punishment would have only brought the free closer and maybe resulted in a point.
These are coached instructions that should be given. Keeping it tight for the first ten minutes by a bit of pulling and dragging is what's needed. Maybe the feeney black in their previous final affected the players?
I doubt mitchells would have won either way but at least have a proper strategy. Playing one of your better possession players at full forward is also questionable.
Interesting that mitchells had a sweeper and Boden went man to man. Sweepers should be banned from County Mayo.
Fair play to Boden, delighted for Macauley.
Well done Boden. Got tactics spot on with man marking Patrick Durcan's. He didn't have as much impact as Crossmaglen game. Backed Basquel at 16/1 for first goal and got double odds as scored in first 10 mins
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Backed Basquel at 16/1 for first goal and got double odds as scored in first 10 mins
You're buying the drinks, so.
Total and complete lack of bottle/leadership from CBM forwards in 1st half. None of them willing to take responsibility and kick at goal from very scorable positions. Some of the wides they kicked were embarrassing. Dominated midfield but when none of your forwards are willing/confident to shoot it is irrelevant. Can't blame management for performance. Players need to take responsibility or should we expect another player rebellion in Mayo to get rid of management
Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
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Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
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Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
And that may be why they struggled badly in all their prior games, as opposed to today where they blew it out on the fast dry pitch.
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Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
And that may be why they struggled badly in all their prior games, as opposed to today where they blew it out on the fast dry pitch.
Yeah, but that wouldn't explain why BB did so well today and Castlebar struggled. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in the semi finals. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in their respective provincial championships. It's not like Castlebar spent the last 6 months playing all their games in a bog & BB played all their games in Croke Park itself.
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Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
And that may be why they struggled badly in all their prior games, as opposed to today where they blew it out on the fast dry pitch.
Yeah, but that wouldn't explain why BB did so well today and Castlebar struggled. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in the semi finals. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in their respective provincial championships. It's not like Castlebar spent the last 6 months playing all their games in a bog & BB played all their games in Croke Park itself.
Agreed....I guess what im trying to say is that maybe Castlebar werent as good and BBSE werent as "bad" as some people were making them both out to be based on prior performances.
Some teams (eg CM) and their particular style may be better suited to slogging it out on a wet heavy pitch while other teams (eg BBSE) and their style may be better suited to the hard fast pitch
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Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
And that may be why they struggled badly in all their prior games, as opposed to today where they blew it out on the fast dry pitch.
Yeah, but that wouldn't explain why BB did so well today and Castlebar struggled. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in the semi finals. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in their respective provincial championships. It's not like Castlebar spent the last 6 months playing all their games in a bog & BB played all their games in Croke Park itself.
Agreed....I guess what im trying to say is that maybe Castlebar werent as good and BBSE werent as "bad" as some people were making them both out to be based on prior performances.
Some teams (eg CM) and their particular style may be better suited to slogging it out on a wet heavy pitch while other teams (eg BBSE) and their style may be better suited to the hard fast pitch
I dunno about that. Nothing about either teams style of play, has struck me as being overly dependent on playing on a particular kind of pitch.
Even if it did, it wouldn't really explain how flat and lethargic CM looked. Their work rate was shocking at times. You can't blame that on the pitch.
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Quote from: whitey on March 17, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Mitchels previous victories were on heavy wet pitches. Maybe those conditions suited their short passing tight marking game. Contrast that with today and up against a super fast and fit team on a big dry pitch.
So were Ballyboden's.
And that may be why they struggled badly in all their prior games, as opposed to today where they blew it out on the fast dry pitch.
Yeah, but that wouldn't explain why BB did so well today and Castlebar struggled. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in the semi finals. They both played on shitty, wet pitches in their respective provincial championships. It's not like Castlebar spent the last 6 months playing all their games in a bog & BB played all their games in Croke Park itself.
Agreed....I guess what im trying to say is that maybe Castlebar werent as good and BBSE werent as "bad" as some people were making them both out to be based on prior performances.
Some teams (eg CM) and their particular style may be better suited to slogging it out on a wet heavy pitch while other teams (eg BBSE) and their style may be better suited to the hard fast pitch
I dunno about that. Nothing about either teams style of play, has struck me as being overly dependent on playing on a particular kind of pitch.
Even if it did, it wouldn't really explain how flat and lethargic CM looked. Their work rate was shocking at times. You can't blame that on the pitch.
LOL...looking for something to explain it, because CM are nowhere as bad as they played today.
Some people are blaming the fact they went up by bus this morning, but someone else pointed out that Corofin did the same last year.
Might be that BBSE just figured them out, and once the got ahead panic set in for CM. CM have also relied heavily on goals to either win games or get back into games theyve fallen behind in
Between Murphy and the packed defense that wanst going to happen today. I have never sworn at a TV as much in my life....players passing the ball instead of taking on very manageable shots from inside 30 M. Pure madness
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Quote from: Throw ball on March 17, 2016, 06:00:01 PMRelated to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
I have heard something about one of the local Ballyboden players actually getting into a serious fight with Durcan over him taking up a potentially more deserving players place in the team. It was well hushed up before this game.
Not at all surprised at the Mayo boys' collapse. Crossmaglen would have given boden a much better game.
You would have to have some serious balls to square up to a man of Durcan's size!
Apparently Durcan's first cousin, McDaid, is on the team, and that is why Durcan decided to transfer there last summer.
Its a fair point about long term players being pissed off, but how many clubs would turn down a player like Durcan, who, after five or six years as an average, but mistake-prone, intercounty keeper, has turned himself into one of the top keepers in the country and one of the best at kick-outs?
And how many lads would fly all the back from Qatar, repeatedly, like Durcan did?
Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Off the top of my head I think Galway teams have contested 12 All-Ireland football finals between senior, U-21, minor and senior club over the past 20 years and won 11 of them. Think the senior team losing to Kerry in 2000 (after a replay) has been the only final a Galway side has lost. Unless I'm mistaken.
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Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Brigids did it against impossible odds three years ago. Castlebar not doing it shouldn't be a stain on Connacht's record. The whole point of Connacht is to never admit defeat. Connacht teams have had to beat the odds for all of history. Unity is Connacht's strength.
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Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Brigids did it against impossible odds three years ago. Castlebar not doing it shouldn't be a stain on Connacht's record. The whole point of Connacht is to never admit defeat. Connacht teams have had to beat the odds for all of history. Unity is Connacht's strength.
Nice story. What has it got to do with the burden of favouritism though?
The reason they lost was the ghost of Padraig pearse was pissed off with all the diluting of republicanism led by the weasel blueshirt Kenny . He had his name in the hurling and his school in the football win to remind people of the rising was about the rebels not fu c ing Redmond and co . Take it down from the mast.
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Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Brigids did it against impossible odds three years ago. Castlebar not doing it shouldn't be a stain on Connacht's record. The whole point of Connacht is to never admit defeat. Connacht teams have had to beat the odds for all of history. Unity is Connacht's strength.
Nice story. What has it got to do with the burden of favouritism though?
Gin
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Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Off the top of my head I think Galway teams have contested 12 All-Ireland football finals between senior, U-21, minor and senior club over the past 20 years and won 11 of them. Think the senior team losing to Kerry in 2000 (after a replay) has been the only final a Galway side has lost. Unless I'm mistaken.
Missing my point. Galway football teams have been underdogs for many of those final wins. Off the top of my head they were not fancied to win the 2 senior finals, the u21 game final v Dublin, the Corofin one v Erins Isles and no doubt some others I am not aware of.
My point is not a dig at Connacht, just saying favouritism for some reason rests heavily on the shoulders of alot (by no means all) Connacht teams in finals. Club and underage Galway hurlers a big exception.
Quote from: J70 on March 18, 2016, 01:57:00 AM
And how many lads would fly all the back from Qatar, repeatedly, like Durcan did?
Just out of interest who would be covering the cost of those flights? Durcan himself or the club? Be serious dough.
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And how many lads would fly all the back from Qatar, repeatedly, like Durcan did?
Just out of interest who would be covering the cost of those flights? Durcan himself or the club? Be serious dough.
The flights were covered by club. Money is no issue in that club.A lot wealthy people involved there.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 17, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 17, 2016, 06:00:01 PMRelated to this I would ask if today's win will mean as much to Paul Durkin as it will to the player who has been there from under 8? Would it have meant more to Durkin if he had won with his hometown club?
I have heard something about one of the local Ballyboden players actually getting into a serious fight with Durcan over him taking up a potentially more deserving players place in the team. It was well hushed up before this game.
Not at all surprised at the Mayo boys' collapse. Crossmaglen would have given boden a much better game.
I don't agree with Durkan transfer but he saved Boden against Portlaoise so doubt players would have issue with him. Surely if players had issue with Durkan it would be with management team for picking him?
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
A simple and lovely rule would be that a player who transfers from a club or county cannot play against the team he transferred from ever in any situation. Now that SJ came back to Cavan and fair play to all involved what a pity he played against them at the time.
Haha, but that takes away my last aim to play against an old club in the Comórtas Peile!
They're both decent suggestions, although I'd be reluctant to try and implement Wooly's without some support from the county in question.
Na Piarsaigh and St. Enda's. Padraig must have been smiling down last night.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Why is that a great idea and what is it's purpose, sounds daft to me unless I'm missing something?
Quote from: Zulu on March 18, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Why is that a great idea and what is it's purpose, sounds daft to me unless I'm missing something?
The other teams in the All Ireland Series are basically made up of people brought up in a parish, or part of a parish, with one or two who moved in. The Dublin teams could be League of Nations of people who arrived to the club in the previous year. Hardly a level playing field.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 18, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 18, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Why is that a great idea and what is it's purpose, sounds daft to me unless I'm missing something?
The other teams in the All Ireland Series are basically made up of people brought up in a parish, or part of a parish, with one or two who moved in. The Dublin teams could be League of Nations of people who arrived to the club in the previous year. Hardly a level playing field.
Cuts out the farce of a situation that was Paul Durcan in this final. Not from Ballydoden, Not from Dublin, Not Living in Dublin. Plus it encourages Clubs to blood their own.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Ironic coming from a guy who milked the system for all it's worth in Dublin
Parkinson commenting on the ills of outside players in Dublin Clubs is not something to be taken seriously considering his own track record there.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 18, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Ironic coming from a guy who milked the system for all it's worth in Dublin
In fairness I think he would be the first to admit that himself.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 18, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 18, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Ironic coming from a guy who milked the system for all it's worth in Dublin
In fairness I think he would be the first to admit that himself.
Then he has no business talking about it considering the state of the club now that he was playing for.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 07:22:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 18, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on March 18, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 18, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
Heard a great idea from Woolly on Newstalk. Basically, Any transferred player who plays for a Dublin Club can play in the Dublin Championship but should not be allowed to play in the Leinster and All Ireland Series proper. This could also carry outside Dublin as well.
Why is that a great idea and what is it's purpose, sounds daft to me unless I'm missing something?
The other teams in the All Ireland Series are basically made up of people brought up in a parish, or part of a parish, with one or two who moved in. The Dublin teams could be League of Nations of people who arrived to the club in the previous year. Hardly a level playing field.
Cuts out the farce of a situation that was Paul Durcan in this final. Not from Ballydoden, Not from Dublin, Not Living in Dublin. Plus it encourages Clubs to blood their own.
Ok, but why is it a good idea to allow them play in the Dublin championship and not beyond? If I'm a good young footballer from Mayo working in Dublin that rule might make me less attractive to St. Vincents or Kilmacud who would feel they've a good chance of winning Dublin but it doesn't mean another lesser light won't want me and if I join and 5 years later we are good enough to win Dublin all of a sudden I can't play in Leinster because I'm from Mayo even though I've played for 5 years with the club and joined simply because returning home each weekend became too much for me.
We can't implement half baked ideas like that as it would cause as many problems as it would solve. The Dublin club scene is a tough one, many Dublin clubs would prefer to see less outsiders I'm sure but many non-Dubs are there for work and make a life for themselves there so joining a local club makes sense in many ways. There probably needs to be a quota system put in place but a robust, workable solution could be difficult to find.
Parkinson freely admits that he played the system for all it was worth, during his own playing days. Said he was interested in nothing but himself and not "the state of the game." Now that he is older and wiser, he does think about the long term health of the club scene, in ways he didn't when he was playing. Fair dues to him for admitting that.
However, he has had to witness his own club (Portlaoise) routinely getting beaten by clubs from Dublin in the Leinster championship. I wonder does that have anything to do with his now seeing the light, all of a sudden? ::)
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2016, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 18, 2016, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Brigids did it against impossible odds three years ago. Castlebar not doing it shouldn't be a stain on Connacht's record. The whole point of Connacht is to never admit defeat. Connacht teams have had to beat the odds for all of history. Unity is Connacht's strength.
God Save Connacht.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 18, 2016, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 18, 2016, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 18, 2016, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on March 17, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Keep saying it, the burden of favouritism just buries Connacht teams in big games for some reason.
Connacht is made up of 5 counties. Galway sides actually have a very good record in All-Ireland finals in general between all the age grades and including club. Just saying. Totted it up there a couple of years ago and it was quite ridiculous.
Brigids did it against impossible odds three years ago. Castlebar not doing it shouldn't be a stain on Connacht's record. The whole point of Connacht is to never admit defeat. Connacht teams have had to beat the odds for all of history. Unity is Connacht's strength.
God Save Connacht.
Thanks Mr. Tayto.
Sympathy for the genuine lad working & living in Dublin and wanting to play ball but the mercenary clubs and players need halted.
Young players tossed by the wayside because a big name can be 'signed'.
Will only end one way when the Andy & Sam roll of honours are dominate by the €ubs
Drove past Boden today on way to Supervalu Knocklyon. The council pitches across the road make it look like a county team's Centre of Excellence.
It's only going to end if and when the DCB decide to call a halt to all this carry on. They can't realistically stop transfers, but they can stop the big inter county stars from always going to the same handful of big clubs. The will to do something just doesn't seem to be there. I don't get that. The Dubs will have to find a replacement for Cluxton sooner or later. Find him and blood him in big games. Playing for the winning AI club champions is a great way to do that.
Durcan taking the jersey off an a Dublin born goal keeping prospect, stunts his prospects, as well Dublin's long term success at find replacements for their current stars. The other 31 counties don't give shit about Dublin's long term future, but you'd think that the DCB do !
Every club everywhere should be required to define an area with 5-6000 Irish citizens and should be allowed 2 transfers per annum from outside this.
Quote from: Beffs on March 18, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
It's only going to end if and when the DCB decide to call a halt to all this carry on. They can't realistically stop transfers, but they can stop the big inter county stars from always going to the same handful of big clubs. The will to do something just doesn't seem to be there. I don't get that. The Dubs will have to find a replacement for Cluxton sooner or later. Find him and blood him in big games. Playing for the winning AI club champions is a great way to do that.
Durcan taking the jersey off an a Dublin born goal keeping prospect, stunts his prospects, as well Dublin's long term success at find replacements for their current stars. The other 31 counties don't give shit about Dublin's long term future, but you'd think that the DCB do !
They can't. Dublin are governed by the same transfer laws as every other GAA County. Bye laws have no jurisdiction effectively since the formation of the DRA. You can have them but the DRA will find a way round them.
In order to get some order on this the GAA have to treat transfers to Dublin differently then every other county and only the Central Council can implement such a rule.
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 18, 2016, 11:11:56 PM
They can't. Dublin are governed by the same transfer laws as every other GAA County. Bye laws have no jurisdiction effectively since the formation of the DRA. You can have them but the DRA will find a way round them.
In order to get some order on this the GAA have to treat transfers to Dublin differently then every other county and only the Central Council can implement such a rule.
I know all that. But there is nothing to stop the DCB from bringing a motion up at Congress, to petition for having more control over their own transfer process. They are in a unique situation, so the same transfer rules shouldn't necessarily apply to them, as the other 31 counties.
There is always that pesky 2/3 majority to get over. However, the Black Card and Mark motions passed, without too much of a fight, once there was enough will on the floor to "sell" the ideas to delegates. There is nothing to stop the DCB from doing the same thing. There just doesn't seem to be the will there to do anything about it.
Quote from: Beffs on March 19, 2016, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 18, 2016, 11:11:56 PM
They can't. Dublin are governed by the same transfer laws as every other GAA County. Bye laws have no jurisdiction effectively since the formation of the DRA. You can have them but the DRA will find a way round them.
In order to get some order on this the GAA have to treat transfers to Dublin differently then every other county and only the Central Council can implement such a rule.
I know all that. But there is nothing to stop the DCB from bringing a motion up at Congress, to petition for having more control over their own transfer process. They are in a unique situation, so the same transfer rules shouldn't necessarily apply to them, as the other 31 counties.
There is always that pesky 2/3 majority to get over. However, the Black Card and Mark motions passed, without too much of a fight, once there was enough will on the floor to "sell" the ideas to delegates. There is nothing to stop the DCB from doing the same thing. There just doesn't seem to be the will there to do anything about it.
Why can they just not propose a general quota of transfers for all clubs, 95% of clubs would have no problem with this as they are not exactly deluged with transfers so why should it not pass.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 19, 2016, 01:19:21 AM
Quote from: Beffs on March 19, 2016, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 18, 2016, 11:11:56 PM
They can't. Dublin are governed by the same transfer laws as every other GAA County. Bye laws have no jurisdiction effectively since the formation of the DRA. You can have them but the DRA will find a way round them.
In order to get some order on this the GAA have to treat transfers to Dublin differently then every other county and only the Central Council can implement such a rule.
I know all that. But there is nothing to stop the DCB from bringing a motion up at Congress, to petition for having more control over their own transfer process. They are in a unique situation, so the same transfer rules shouldn't necessarily apply to them, as the other 31 counties.
There is always that pesky 2/3 majority to get over. However, the Black Card and Mark motions passed, without too much of a fight, once there was enough will on the floor to "sell" the ideas to delegates. There is nothing to stop the DCB from doing the same thing. There just doesn't seem to be the will there to do anything about it.
Why can they just not propose a general quota of transfers for all clubs, 95% of clubs would have no problem with this as they are not exactly deluged with transfers so why should it not pass.
The problem would be that the top Dublin clubs will fill their quota with top established interounty players.
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
Commiserations to Castlebar and congratulations to Ballyboden who were devastating on the day. It's a pity therefore that the analysis of the game here should have wandered onto the well worn path of "how do we deal with the problem of transfers to Dublin?".
The Ballyboden team that did themselves, their families and their county proud on Thursday was made up mainly of lads who had represented Dublin at various grades in football and/or hurling. Their performance was immense and that fact is not really coming through in this discussion.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 09:25:30 AM
Commiserations to Castlebar and congratulations to Ballyboden who were devastating on the day. It's a pity therefore that the analysis of the game here should have wandered onto the well worn path of "how do we deal with the problem of transfers to Dublin?".
The Ballyboden team that did themselves, their families and their county proud on Thursday was made up mainly of lads who had represented Dublin at various grades in football and/or hurling. Their performance was immense and that fact is not really coming through in this discussion.
The fact that they flew home a keeper from Dubai for the last 6 months is an important point because they wouldn't have won it without them. He'll never play a game for them every again.
That is not what a club is about in most people's eyes.
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 19, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
Thank the Lord that you are around not to miss stuff like this.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 19, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
It's not today or yesterday that players were flown home for games. The first ones to do it were Mayo when they brought Padraig Carney back from New York to play against Dublin in the 1954 National League semi-final.
However the bottom line on this one is that Ballyboden's win was a huge team effort and no one player can be given credit for the result.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 19, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
It's not today or yesterday that players were flown home for games. The first ones to do it were Mayo when they brought Padraig Carney back from New York to play against Dublin in the 1954 National League semi-final.
However the bottom line on this one is that Ballyboden's win was a huge team effort and no one player can be given credit for the result.
Yeah maybe but its tainted in my view. Broke all the ethos of the club in a lot of people's eyes. So the bottom line comes with a caveat.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
It's not today or yesterday that players were flown home for games. The first ones to do it were Mayo when they brought Padraig Carney back from New York to play against Dublin in the 1954 National League semi-final.
Mayo is a county not a club. Durkan had little enough connection to Ballyboden, he wasn't from there and he doesn't live there
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However the bottom line on this one is that Ballyboden's win was a huge team effort and no one player can be given credit for the result.
Of course.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 19, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 19, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 19, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
It's not today or yesterday that players were flown home for games. The first ones to do it were Mayo when they brought Padraig Carney back from New York to play against Dublin in the 1954 National League semi-final.
However the bottom line on this one is that Ballyboden's win was a huge team effort and no one player can be given credit for the result.
Yeah maybe but its tainted in my view. Broke all the ethos of the club in a lot of people's eyes. So the bottom line comes with a caveat.
You're own club Vincents not exactly immune to country bucks. O'Shea Kerry, Maloney & Kelly Mayo along with Coughlan from Tipp on your first AI club winning team.
Just added Varley Mayo and Breathnach Galway to the list this year. Hardly in a position to be taking the high moral ground. Long time from the Vincents terms of the past who were all Dubs...if maybe not from Marino!
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It's complicated I suppose.
But Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs. 30 years ago when Dublin was an hour more distant, my brother trained with a Dublin team but made the journey home for games. I managed a team locally where lads organised their leave (guards and the like) to be around for most games.
I can understand where some lads from small rural junior clubs decided to join a Dublin club to better themselves. In Mayo we should have regional teams like Kerry have where the better junior players can develop but that is not going to happen. I can understand junior players making that decision to step up when they move to the city.
It looks like though, that outsiders that make the big Dublin club teams are already established intercounty players.
I wasn t aware that Parkinson played in Dublin. Always assumed he was a Portlaoise player. How does a player justify move from Portlaoise to Dublin. It's not the stagecoach era. That's ridiculous.
All true. But the stage does come where 'home' becomes Dublin. And going down to stay in your parents house for the weekend isn't what you'd hoped to be doing at that stage in life. From now until (hopefully) October I will make the round trip from Dublin to training and matches about 12-13 times per month. I'm only an hour away, so it's grand. But if I was from the West, sure how would I make Sunday morning training/game at 10am without leaving my home in Dublin for the entire weekend (having trained Friday night)?
I think if you're from Mayo/Donegal it's not realistic on a long term basis to travel back.
Nobody had a massive issue with Durcan's initial transfer -however flying him home from Dubai went against everything the GAA is supposed to be about.
Overall ballyboden were littered with Dublin minor/u21/senior players . People have to remember that it's a lot harder to get picked for Dublin then it is for 80 percent of counties. That was al missed in the pre match analysis.
It's not today or yesterday that players were flown home for games. The first ones to do it were Mayo when they brought Padraig Carney back from New York to play against Dublin in the 1954 National League semi-final.
However the bottom line on this one is that Ballyboden's win was a huge team effort and no one player can be given credit for the result.
Yeah maybe but its tainted in my view. Broke all the ethos of the club in a lot of people's eyes. So the bottom line comes with a caveat.
You're own club Vincents not exactly immune to country bucks. O'Shea Kerry, Maloney & Kelly Mayo along with Coughlan from Tipp on your first AI club winning team.
Just added Varley Mayo and Breathnach Galway to the list this year. Hardly in a position to be taking the high moral ground. Long time from the Vincents terms of the past who were all Dubs...if maybe not from Marino!
o Se never played for kerry at senior level. Himself and Coughlan didn't start on the team for 6 months even in the senior league because they weren't good enough. Neither were senior inter county players when they came to the club. So I'm afraid I don't agree. Maloney hadn't played a match for about 9 months either when he joined. So really the only live senior county player on the 2008 team taken in was Kelly.
Now I've already spoken out about the 4 players we've taken in this year. Not in favour of it and neither are the grass-roots members of the Club. The Dublin club scene has a real problem in relation to the outside players issue. Boden have also signed two more players for the next campaign.
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Now I've already spoken out about the 4 players we've taken in this year. Not in favour of it and neither are the grass-roots members of the Club. The Dublin club scene has a real problem in relation to the outside players issue. Boden have also signed two more players for the next campaign.
"Signed" is a telling choice of phrase.
QuoteBut Ireland is a small country and is getting smaller as roads are getting better. I don't get it that lads from Mayo etc. have to transfer to Dublin clubs.
I take your point on this but at the same time it's not an easy thing to do long term.
I myself was based in Dublin for 2 years, trained during the week in Dublin and went home for matches. My brother is doing the same thing right now as well.
Now my girlfriend was based at home as well so it was easier for me to be coming home most weekends. And I had absolutely no interest in playing football for any club but my home club.
But after a couple of years of doing that - if you are going to be living long term in Dublin - I don't think it's a realistic choice to be coming home every weekend or certainly 3 out of every 4 weekends anyway.
Put it this way - that was over 10 years ago for me & I'm still playing club football now. I know that wouldn't be the case now if I was still living in Dublin. I know that I wouldn't have been able to sustain it over the longer term. You can't settle and have a proper life somewhere if you are gone "home" every weekend. It's not feasible imo