Well who do we want here?
You could give us a capital letter...
.......and a bit of space after the slash, seeing you gave Dublin space before it! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
.......and a bit of space after the slash, seeing you gave Dublin space before it! ;)
we'll be giving none of yous any space in the final, you better get used to it!
The day the curse dies.
The day the most merciless leader in the North-West since Ming Flanagan is over-thrown.
Believe.
I second the capital letter!Mayo deserve some recognitition here!
Quote from: cadence on August 26, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
.......and a bit of space after the slash, seeing you gave Dublin space before it! ;)
we'll be giving none of yous any space in the final, you better get used to it!
Haha you will need all the space when ye come up against Mayo next week!It will certainly be an interesting semi final!I may sound a little biased here but Mayo to win for definite:)
Jimmys selling watches lads
Quote from: MaigheoAbu on August 26, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 26, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
.......and a bit of space after the slash, seeing you gave Dublin space before it! ;)
we'll be giving none of yous any space in the final, you better get used to it!
Haha you will need all the space when ye come up against Mayo next week!It will certainly be an interesting semi final!I may sound a little biased here but Mayo to win for definite:)
sorry, i meant both dubs and mayo... i'm from donegal.
perfectly ok for no capital for mayo... it's the least of your worries after all. best concentrate on the dubs first and then to deal with the important capital letter issue. ;)
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
How is it always that Mayo get the kicking even though somebody else lost today?
Donegal did maul us already in Ballyshannon this year. In hindsight actually did us a favour and we learned. In a later pitch opening we showed we absorbed some lesson.
I m sure Donegal would prefer to play the losers of next weeks semi ;)
Realistically though they would want Dublin in the final. It might keep them grounded as they would be fully expected to beat Mayo which brings its own problems. McGuinnes will also realise that the mauling in Ballyshannon and the challenge match has burned a bit of powder with Mayo.
Mayo might beat Dublin. They won't beat Donegal. They're not physical enough.
Whereas if Dublin make the final, their experience, venue and work over this last two years makes it a close one to call.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Donegal have just beaten three of the last four All Ireland winners their hunger is second to none and they deserve all the plaudits. In fairness Mayo have a bit to go before reaching that level.
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Mayo might beat Dublin. They won't beat Donegal. They're not physical enough.
Whereas if Dublin make the final, their experience, venue and work over this last two years makes it a close one to call.
Mayo are perhaps the nastiest team in the country in contact. There's a serious physical edge to Mayo this year and it seems like just about everyone outside Connacht is still reading from the 'Lovely Little Connacht Teams' script that was applicable for so long.
Mayo can hang with Donegal in the physical exchanges. I'd go as far as to say Mayo and Donegal are kindred spirits in most aspects of their play and preparation.
You're mad. These boys from Bundoran swim in their own vomit at training. They have bigger organs.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Excellent post, never thought i'd hear a Rossie talk with such respect for Mayo in what seems a genuine manner.
Mayo never seem to get credit anywhere probably because of 96/97/04/06 finals, it seems to justify playing down any progress Mayo make. The disrespect in the media and especially with the so called experts on the tv, Brolly/Hayes etc, When Mayo are mentioned they all raise a sly smile, it's patronising and very disrespectful, maybe one day we can knock that smirk off them and land that big cup back to our mighty footballing county.
Whatever happens this year, i hope Horan sticks it out for another few years.
You're wrong. Everyone wants to see Sam in Mayo.
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Mayo might beat Dublin. They won't beat Donegal. They're not physical enough.
Whereas if Dublin make the final, their experience, venue and work over this last two years makes it a close one to call.
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 12:42:52 AM
You're wrong. Everyone wants to see Sam in Mayo.
Bullshit.
OK.
But it's true.
Bit early for an all Ireland final thread and to say who will win it outright there's a whole semi final to play! Granted Donegal played great stuff and looked a well oiled machine today but who's to say mayo or the dubs won't show us something similar or even better than what was on show today! There's been a lot of talk everywhere today sayin its Donegal to lose buts its the same story being said every year about the winners of 1st semi! A whole semi and 4 weeks til all Ireland day where injuries and a dip in form could dictate where sam lies for the year! I hope its mayo lord knows we've had our fair share of bad days but if not id love to see Donegal win I have lots a friends up there and 1 of my best friends here in ballina is Michael Murphy's 1st cousin.just hope its not at the expense of us if we make it there
Nallan is one game away from being the next jimmy mc Guinness.
Quote from: rrhf on August 27, 2012, 03:31:55 AM
Nallan is one game away from being the next jimmy mc Guinness.
???
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 27, 2012, 03:31:55 AM
Nallan is one game away from being the next jimmy mc Guinness.
???
Thats exactly what I thought but I thought it was only me so kept schtum
Quote from: moysider on August 27, 2012, 12:06:51 AM
Realistically though they would want Dublin in the final. It might keep them grounded as they would be fully expected to beat Mayo which brings its own problems.
Agree with this.
Donegal after beating Kerry and Cork (and both comprehesively) to have "only" Mayo left in the final, will present a completely different challenge. Donegal would be raging hot favourites and some of them will not be able to help thinking its in the bag.
Whereas if Donegal play Dublin, whatever way the bookies have it, Donegal will still feel like the underdogs against the All Ireland champions in Croke Park, and there'll be no doubt in any of their minds that they'll have to produce another massive performance if they are to win.
Quote from: seanog on August 27, 2012, 12:39:54 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Excellent post, never thought i'd hear a Rossie talk with such respect for Mayo in what seems a genuine manner.
Mayo never seem to get credit anywhere probably because of 96/97/04/06 finals, it seems to justify playing down any progress Mayo make. The disrespect in the media and especially with the so called experts on the tv, Brolly/Hayes etc, When Mayo are mentioned they all raise a sly smile, it's patronising and very disrespectful, maybe one day we can knock that smirk off them and land that big cup back to our mighty footballing county.
Whatever happens this year, i hope Horan sticks it out for another few years.
I was talking to a Cork fan after the hurling semifinal and he said Mayo would never win the all Ireland. Cork were much better. I thought it was horseshit.
Kerry and Tyrone are in decline and there is no team that dominates the fuball world so there will be different teams winning over the next while.
Mayo are going to win an all Ireland in the next few years. But it would be great if they could do it this year.
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 12:42:52 AM
Everyone wants to see Sam in Mayo.
I certainly don't >:( ....
unless of course our Captain takes it across the frontier to taunt them with it :D
Quote from: rrhf on August 27, 2012, 03:31:55 AM
Nallan is one game away from being the next jimmy mc Guinness.
Feck off!
Horan is only two games away from being canonised. ;D
Lord McStay has said on rte radio that its Donegals to loose.......................... hes full of shite that man ::).............not long ago seanie johnson was kicking winning points into the hill to beat dublin in the final
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 27, 2012, 07:07:59 PM
Lord McStay has said on rte radio that its Donegals to loose.......................... hes full of shite that man ::).............not long ago seanie johnson was kicking winning points into the hill to beat dublin in the final
Eh? That opinion has spread far and wide since yesterday. Nothing notable about it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2012, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Donegal have just beaten three of the last four All Ireland winners their hunger is second to none and they deserve all the plaudits. In[/b] fairness Mayo have a bit to go before reaching that level.
Bullshit
I was full sure donegal would beat kerry and cork. Different now, they will be slight favs for the final, and thats a change. But it depends on this sunday, if either mayo or dublin put on a brilliant show and manage a great convincing win by maybe 5-6 points, then the hype will be just as bad as donegal ( well, not quite as mad as donegal, as their bananas at the best of times)
And yes i agree that horan has done an equally good job with mayo as has been done with donegal. They were at a low ebb in 2010, just like donegal, have since won back to back provincials, and have a good solid strong team ethic with some skillful players. Mayo hype might be low key as they have been to plenty of recent finals and lost, whereas donegal havnt been in those finals. But a big win for mayo on sunday would surely change all that.
Dublin are being sneaky, i think their lying in the long grass hoping to slip in to the final and then put on a big show.
anyways lads, nothing really else to say here til sundays game is over!
Quote from: sans pessimism on August 27, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2012, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
How do you beat Donegal?
They will maul Mayo.
Dublin can possibly match them in terms of the work done over the last 18 months but have they the drive to burst a lung this year?
Incredible levels of disrespect in this thread.
James Horan has done as impressive a job with Mayo as Jim McGuiness has with Donegal. They are one of the fittest teams in the country and if anything are even more hungry than Donegal are, they are one of the few teams in the country that could out-last Donegal.
If you told Mayo they could win the All-Ireland by beating Dublin and Donegal they'd have bit your hand off. If Mayo prove good enough to beat Dublin they most certainly can give Donegal an almighty rattle. The gap between the top four or five is minuscule at best.
Donegal have just beaten three of the last four All Ireland winners their hunger is second to none and they deserve all the plaudits. In[/b] fairness Mayo have a bit to go before reaching that level.
Bullshit
Jason Sherlock today wrote that it would be some achievement for Donegal to win Sam because they d have to beat every winner since 1014 - sorry no .... 2003. Sunday Game last night broke into hysterics at the idea of Mayo beating Dublin. Davis nearly painted himself into a corner with false praise for this Mayo but almost choked when asked if he was tipping Mayo to beat Dubs. Then the sniggering started.
Great gas altogether except there is a serious aspect to this shite.
Donegal have managed to break through the prejudice that labelled them as lepers in the game and now their biggest critics are fawning to get onside when they re the newest biggest cocks on the barnroof.
It s a small enough circle and I ve no doubt that McQuillan and his entourage will be expecting to officiate over a Dub win next weekend. Human nature.
If the game was in Castlebar I would not expect to lose this but this is basically a football trap. We ll have to be much better than Dublin and that s a big ask.
Most neutrals like Dublin in final as well - more media interest when there involved and more 'colour'
An excited lad at work today - usually more Finn Harps and Man U than Donegal - reckoned that a final v Dubs would be a better 'spectacle' ( flares on The Hill maybe?) but hoped Mayo got there. Hmmm, reckon he d prefer the flares.
My point is that the dice is loaded with all that shite.
I've never yet met a neutral that's been rooting for the Dubs against anyone but Kerry. The Dubs will be islanded on Sunday, for all it matters.
Moysider, agree 100% with all your sentiments re Sunday.... so, we need 20,000 Mayo folks screaming blue murder every time one of those decisions inevitably go against us. Time to kick off a campaign - Facebook usually the best place !
Fair play is all we want.
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
QuoteThe poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
+1
Sure it is a matter of "poor aul us " though thats the problem, the appointment of Mquillan for this game is farcical, it's ridiculous beyond ridiculous, AvB games, last years final, Meath 09, the list is endless on why he should not of been chosen.
As for the tv pundits and journos, it's beyond disrespect too at this stage the way they ignore or even laugh at Mayo.
Look at the love in with Donegal, this is their second time only in their history to win a semi final, i think we have won 12 in our history, five of them since 89 too but when it comes to Mayo history tis all about laughing at their displays in finals. I can live with that even , i was just pointing out the difference in pedigree , yet you would think it the opposite, it's the sheer disrespect for this present team that boils my blood.
I just hope the players have more sense than to be reading this stuff.
I will never accept that the likes of Joe McQuillan, Martin Sludden and Pat Mceaneay set out to ride teams, does it happen? Of course it does, but is it done on purpose? In my view that's nonsense and loser talk.
With regards to media disrespect, you earn respect. For years Donegal were the biggest laughing stock in mainstream media, they've done something about it. There's a lesson in there, and I think James Horan has learned it pretty fast.
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 08:08:08 AM
I just hope the players have more sense than to be reading this stuff.
I will never accept that the likes of Joe McQuillan, Martin Sludden and Pat Mceaneay set out to ride teams, does it happen? Of course it does, but is it done on purpose? In my view that's nonsense and loser talk.
With regards to media disrespect, you earn respect. For years Donegal were the biggest laughing stock in mainstream media, they've done something about it. There's a lesson in there, and I think James Horan has learned it pretty fast.
Exactly. I'd nearly love a total Mayo blackout from everyone within the county IF we get by Sunday. Could do us the world of good not to talk ourselves out of the game for once.
We had respect for around 3 weeks after the 06 semi if i can remember correctly!
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 08:08:08 AM
I just hope the players have more sense than to be reading this stuff.
I will never accept that the likes of Joe McQuillan, Martin Sludden and Pat Mceaneay set out to ride teams, does it happen? Of course it does, but is it done on purpose? In my view that's nonsense and loser talk.
With regards to media disrespect, you earn respect. For years Donegal were the biggest laughing stock in mainstream media, they've done something about it. There's a lesson in there, and I think James Horan has learned it pretty fast.
That's your opinion , i disagree as regards McQuillan , he has been officiating too many Dublin games, the AvB games thing is an absolute disgrace imo, too familiar with the Dublin team.
What have Donegal done that Mayo haven't done to earn respect? Unfortunately you are conditioned too like the majority of this country by what the media are telling you. I don't know where in gods name they're going to turn to, when we win it this year, esp the ex players journo brigade, the likes of Hayes would have to leave the stage (tv anyhow).
Stephenite, in any other sport, McQuillan would not have been appointed for this game cos of his history.
My only ambition here would be to ensure (somehow) that McQuillan is aware of the concerns in Mayo re his appointment. I don't for a moment believe he has any intention of being anything but as fair as possible. However, human nature being what it is will see decisions go the way of Dublin without McQuillan thinking he has made a bad call. So, if the concerns expressed here and elsewhere were to force him to hold off bowing the whistle for half a second and ask himself a 2nd time whether it was a foul, etc, then i'd be happy.
Similar such concerns as mine and Moysiders are expressed in all other mainstream sports when there is a controversial appointment. Why is it frowned upon so strongly in gaelic football? Its not as if we are blessed with the highest possible quality officiating on any given Sunday.
Im looking a couple of tickets for the final lads, a couple for the hogan stand lower deck will do nicely, PM me and i will give you my details ;)
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
It's really poor.
As I've said before on another thread, this is the same Joe McQuillan that gave 35 of the softest frees against Dublin in the Quarter final v Tyrone in a game we utterly dominated. He also gave the crucial line ball decision to Cork for the winning point.
Whinging in advance is a new low. 31 counties will be cheering for Mayo, if you're good enough you'll win, if not you won't.
I don't know which is worse complaining about a referee prior to the game or doing it on the wrong thread?
Anyhow if anyone has any proper build up information in relation to the team etc can they post it on the semi final thread.
Who is the gombeen that started this thread anyhow. This board has headed downhill this season.
Does anyone honestly think that Horan or the panel give a flying feck about what journos think or if they have their "respect" - They are only concerned with preparing for the semi and trying to ensure that they put on a good performance same as Gilroy and Dublin.
QuoteMy only ambition here would be to ensure (somehow) that McQuillan is aware of the concerns in Mayo re his appointment. I don't for a moment believe he has any intention of being anything but as fair as possible. However, human nature being what it is will see decisions go the way of Dublin without McQuillan thinking he has made a bad call. So, if the concerns expressed here and elsewhere were to force him to hold off bowing the whistle for half a second and ask himself a 2nd time whether it was a foul, etc, then i'd be happy.
This would suggest that you'd be happy that your pre-conceived opinions of him may now influence him to make a "better" decision to help you win - Jesus I can't get my head around that one
Replace 'better' with 'correct' Declan.
All I want to see is fair play and then let the better team win.
QuoteAll I want to see is fair play and then let the better team win.
Agreed
I don't see any point in blaming the referee for the mistakes he is going to make in a game that won't be played for another five days. For one thing, there's feck all anyone can do about his appointment now and for another, there's absolutely no guarantee that he's going to muck us up with blatantly incorrect calls.
Coldrick, Bannon et all, can anyone name a ref that doesn't get slated by some side or another before a ball is thrown in? Coldrick in particular gets slated by supporters of all counties before he sticks his whistle in his gob. Even Meath posters on this board have slated him when, obviously, their county was involved.
All refs need to have thick skins to survive the inevitable slating every time they take on a match.
Yeah, McQuillan may turn out to be an anal orifice before the game is over but there's no reason to believe that Mayo supporters will be the aggrieved party. If even a tiny percentage of the criticism levelled against him were true, he'd be sent to grass a long time ago.
I'll wait until the match is over before passing judgement on his performance.
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Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2012, 08:54:44 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
It's really poor.
As I've said before on another thread, this is the same Joe McQuillan that gave 35 of the softest frees against Dublin in the Quarter final v Tyrone in a game we utterly dominated. He also gave the crucial line ball decision to Cork for the winning point.
Whinging in advance is a new low. 31 counties will be cheering for Mayo, if you're good enough you'll win, if not you won't.
Quit yer oul whinging heffo! ;)
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
+1,totally agree!
I really hope James Horan and the players aren't taking any notice of some of the negative attitudes displayed on this thread!Hopefully the team have more sense than to be reading some of this stuff! It sn't negativity they need leading up to the game,they need all the backing from the Mayo supporters!
With regards to the Referee,the match hasn't been played yet so there is no point in complaining about decisions which may not be made at all!
With regards to the media Mayo have finally received the respect they deserve!
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
I don't know which is worse complaining about a referee prior to the game or doing it on the wrong thread?
Anyhow if anyone has any proper build up information in relation to the team etc can they post it on the semi final thread.
Who is the gombeen that started this thread anyhow. This board has headed downhill this season.
Shove your 637 posts up yer a**e! or alternatively make your way over to the moon (fight) thread till I show you some online manners. Seriously though I have no problem with deleting this thread if there are any more complaints like this. It was meant to be a celebration of Donegal V Dublin or Mayo not a whinge fest of the world and everybody in it v Mayo.
But whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Quote from: rrhf on August 28, 2012, 02:48:30 PM
But whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Now we're talking.....ye're going to need valium by the skip load to keep the hype down in Donegal over the next 3 and half weeks! ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 28, 2012, 02:48:30 PM
But whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Now we're talking.....ye're going to need valium by the skip load to keep the hype down in Donegal over the next 3 and half weeks! ;D
It's only Tuesday yet. By the end of the week all the talk will be about Mayo and Dublin. From next Sunday evening, all the talk will be about the winner of that game. It's the same every year after the first semi-final.
BTW Donegal have NO tradition in these things. A once-off event like 92 cannot be described as tradition.
QuoteBut whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Yes; Mayo people forget that '92 was the real one that got away imo. I think it was 8 to 6 in the semi and of the 8 donegal got 7 frees.
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
Yes; Mayo people forget that '92 was the real one that got away imo. I think it was 8 to 6 in the semi and of the 8 donegal got 7 frees.
Ah that day.
16th August 1992
All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi Final:
Armagh 3-12 Roscommon 0-13(Half time Armagh 2-06 Roscommon 0-08)
Armagh: D. Whitmarsh, K. Maille, E. Martin, E.
Bratten, C. Wilson, M. Hanratty, K O'Hagan (0-1),
B O'Hagan (0-3), P. McGrane, B. Hughes (0-2),
D. Marsden (1-2), P. Mc Nulty (0-1), D. Jordan, D.
Mackin (2-1), N. McGleanon (0-2).
Roscommon: Ray Lannon, Kevin Keegan, Padraig
Mulally, Padraig Kelly, Ciaran Duignan, Richie
Glover, Ciaran Grogan, Rossa O'Callaghan (capt.),
Adrian Doorey, Keith Murphy (0-2), Frank Farrell,
Sean Casey, Liam Murray (0-1), Gary McLaughlin,
Dermot Washington (0-8). Subs C. Connelly (0-1) A.
Nolan, F. Grehan (0-1).
The Senior match ended 0-13 to 0-09
Quote from: saffron sam2 on November 03, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
Donegal Mayo AI semi-final 1992.
Awful beyond words, although it only cost three free state punts to stand on the Hill.
though it probably seemed like 0-08 to 0-06.
Donegal whacked over a penalty at the death to get the four point lead.
Ah Francie me boy.
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
QuoteBut whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Yes; Mayo people forget that '92 was the real one that got away imo. I think it was 8 to 6 in the semi and of the 8 donegal got 7 frees.
That 92 semi final is best remembered for Donegal kicking wide after wide after that performance they were given no chance in the All Ireland final can't say the same about them now.
Quote
Ah that day.
16th August 1992
All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi Final:
Armagh 3-12 Roscommon 0-13
(Half time Armagh 2-06 Roscommon 0-08)
Armagh: D. Whitmarsh, K. Maille, E. Martin, E.
Bratten, C. Wilson, M. Hanratty, K O'Hagan (0-1),
B O'Hagan (0-3), P. McGrane, B. Hughes (0-2),
D. Marsden (1-2), P. Mc Nulty (0-1), D. Jordan, D.
Mackin (2-1), N. McGleanon (0-2).
Roscommon: Ray Lannon, Kevin Keegan, Padraig
Mulally, Padraig Kelly, Ciaran Duignan, Richie
Glover, Ciaran Grogan, Rossa O'Callaghan (capt.),
Adrian Doorey, Keith Murphy (0-2), Frank Farrell,
Sean Casey, Liam Murray (0-1), Gary McLaughlin,
Dermot Washington (0-8). Subs C. Connelly (0-1) A.
Nolan, F. Grehan (0-1).
Not a day to remember for us & we wouldn't reach another minor semi final until 2006 :( the same day Mayo beat the Dubs what a day & night that was :)
Looking at the above team from what i remember all our subs became seniors as did Sean Casey,Rossa O'Callaghan (also played for Dublin) & Dermot Washington was the guy that never reached his potential.
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2012, 08:54:44 AM
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
Have never seen such a load of whinging sh*te from a county in advance of the game never mind after it. As above McQuillan cost us the 2010 semi final v cork with couple of dreadful decisions. The 35 frees against v Tyrone were so bad they were almost funny by the end!! We've had our fair share of bad refereeing just like everyone else!!
This sort of nonsense makes Mayo supporters look like a bunch of 5 year olds!! Grow up will ye????
Quote from: highorlow on August 28, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
QuoteBut whilst we are on, Donegal managed to beat the pick of Mayo and Dublin when they won their last all ireland. I have no reason to think this wont happen again. Tradition is very much on Donegals side.
Yes; Mayo people forget that '92 was the real one that got away imo. I think it was 8 to 6 in the semi and of the 8 donegal got 7 frees.
You're thinking wrong. It was 13 pts to 9 at the end. Don't remember the free count but seven scored frees sounds about right. Donegal, once they got going in the second half, were easily the better team.
Quote from: MaigheoAbu on August 28, 2012, 02:18:37 PM
Quote from: stephenite on August 28, 2012, 02:52:58 AM
The poor old us and conspiracy theories from the pair of ye are becoming a bit tiresome at this stage. It's like ye're trying to get the excuses in early
+1,totally agree!
Just cause I m paranoid doesn t mean they are not out to get us ;D ;D ;D ;D
Relax. No point moaning after.
Look. My last shout on this. If likes of neutral pundits such as Deegan and Moyles dismiss Mayo s chances and see the result as a foregone conclusion, then neutrals like the ref and linesmen are conditioned as well by years of prejudice in public opinion to expect a certain result. Human nature being the way it is they may facilitate the expected script. Mayo have become a self-fulfilling stereotype. Many within the county dismiss us and give us no chance based on past experiences. More worryingly neutrals keep the stereotype going year after year. As Crete Boom explained current players and form does not justify the disrespect for this year but seems to be based on the stereotype that has developed over 20+ years when we have been a fairly consistent team but lost any final we got to.
I think ye Mayowr bucks need to keep away from this particular thread till Sunday evening. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
I think ye Mayowr bucks need to keep away from this particular thread till Sunday evening. ;)
That's akin to saying we need to stay away from Croker on Sunday (to avoid the impending doom) and from Flannerys/Coppers Sunday night. You are probably right but there's more chance of us winning Liam McCarthy than that happenning ;D
I'll start by saying I think the Dubs will beat us on Sunday
BUT I think if either team is going to beat Donegal I'd say Mayo are the better bet, our fitness, two big midfielders and most importantly our disciplined defending would not suit Donegal. It could even things out nicely to make for a fascinating game and in fairness Donegal have provided us with all the best matches for two years (bar 1st roundest yr)
What was the phrase as gaeilge that oul fellas used to have written on pieces of cardboard on Jones Road on AIF day looking for tickets?
Was it "Ag lorg ticéidí" or "Ag cuartú ticéidí"? Or maybe "Ticéidí de dhíth"?
Thanks lad, it definitely started with Ticeid or Ticeidi, so maybe it was Ticeidi de dhith. This was a fairly common sight in the late 80's, early 90's.
Strange - I can't remember ever seeing that. What I remember from those days is scangers in suit jacket, shiny track suit bottom and runners bawling, "anyone buyin or sellin tickets?"
Thought you would remember that Hardy because I'm talking about during Meath's glory years. Im still not sure if Ticeidi de dhith is the correct answer though
Congrats mayo. Welcome back to the big time.
Quote from: rrhf on September 02, 2012, 05:18:21 PM
Congrats mayo. Welcome back to the big time.
We never went away (you know)! ;)
Great to be in a Final. A final without Kerry for a change! Donegal are a different animal, but this is their first final (in a long time). The Hype in Donegal is mental at the moment. Believe it or not the hype has been drained out of us from other AI finals, so i expect a lower key run for us compared to Donegal. This could be key!
Non-event.
Donegal will have it won by the time the team photo is taken.
0-16 to 0-9
I don't post that much but ive mentioned a few times earlier in the year that a donegal mayo final would be very likely. I'm delighted to see it. Will be interesting too see the neutral support, there hasn't been a final like this since kildare and galway in 98. Donegal only being in one final before, while mayo have had a good few since 92. Some people still complain about donegal but i'l say this: i've havn't enjoyed watching any other time as i have watching donegal against kerry and cork this year, you have to be able to appreciate other aspects of football other than just a shoot out.
If mayo end the 60 year wait then i'l be delighted for them, i hope they and fans don't go around playing the underdog card, i hate that shite. There last 3 finals have been against kerry, this is the big chance for them and I would put donegal only as slight favourites.
it's going to be a tight final... can't really see either side beating the other one out the gate. happy for mayo to be there, but that's where the goodwill ends until the final whistle.
donegal to bring the house of pain mofos...
Ticket acquired already and sept 23 is my birthday ,Happy days :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
i wonder who feels the worst - Kevin Cassidy or Conor Mortimer ?
Quote from: maigheo on September 02, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Ticket acquired already and sept 23 is my birthday ,Happy days :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
. Get a good bet on to cover expenses. Nearest thing to a dead cert you will ever get. No way Donegal will cope with out style and we have the better players in 10/11 positions
probably c.mort as he left the team late in the season.With all the injures he would have gotten significant game time and may have also have gotten his starting place back
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 02, 2012, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 02, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Ticket acquired already and sept 23 is my birthday ,Happy days :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
. Get a good bet on to cover expenses. Nearest thing to a dead cert you will ever get. No way Donegal will cope with out style and we have the better players in 10/11 positions
That's the spirit!
Hope there's plenty more like you down the west!!
Donegal have the tactical edge, obviously, but fancy Mayo to sneak this one. I have no rational reason to offer in support of this opinion.
Mayos physio should deffo start the final, great engine on her................jesus she was never off the park
Best of luck to both teams
The way Mayo collapsed in the second half and nearly let Dublin sneak it tells me the AIF result is a foregone conclusion.
Donegal easily enough
This is the year, and not for Donegal. Mayo to break the glass ceiling, finally.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 02, 2012, 06:41:47 PM
i wonder who feels the worst - Kevin Cassidy or Conor Mortimer ?
I'd say the one who left the panel, rather than the one who was dropped from the panel! Only marginal though!
Quote from: Gaffer on September 02, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
The way Mayo collapsed in the second half and nearly let Dublin sneak it tells me the AIF result is a foregone conclusion.
Like today's and last Sunday's games were ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2012, 07:59:55 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 02, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
The way Mayo collapsed in the second half and nearly let Dublin sneak it tells me the AIF result is a foregone conclusion.
Like today's and last Sunday's games were ;)
Indeed, anyone who thinks the final is a foregone conclusion, for either side, doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
The only team both have played was Down, who they both hammered by almost the same margin.
Beyond that, its very hard to predict, as both teams will have the hunger and drive that they likes of Cork and Dublin were missing this year. Given the quality of Mayo's freetaking, Donegal will have to continue to keep the concession of scorable frees down, while Murphy will have to improve his consistency from frees at the other end. Midfield will be interesting. I honestly did not forsee our dominance there against Cork, and we'll need similar performances from Gallagher and Kavanagh and Bradley (this time) again, as well as the likes of Lacey, Thompson and McLoone cleaning up breaks.
I'm confident we can win it, but only with a top-class performance. Mayo are easily good enough to win it too if we don't produce it, and may be even if we do.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2012, 07:59:55 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 02, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
The way Mayo collapsed in the second half and nearly let Dublin sneak it tells me the AIF result is a foregone conclusion.
Like today's and last Sunday's games were ;)
I didn t think todays or last weeks were foregone conclusions.
I do, however believe that the final is, in Donegal's favour.
It's hard to look past Donegal. The panic set in with Mayo from 50 minutes on,Donegal don't seem to do panic, apart from the last few minutes of the Kerry game.
Having said that the Donegal game is based around keeping the score tight and then hitting teams on the break and in the last 20 minutes that their fitness levels begin to tell. If someone got a 3/4 point lead on them at halftime it would be interesting to see how they would react.
Also no-one in the media seems to be giving Mayo a chance which is a great way to go into the final.
I need a couple of tickets for the game, pm me and I will give u my details, hogan stand, lower tier, round centre pitch will do
Cheers in advance
I took my brother in law (he's English) to the AI semi versus Wexford in '08. Walking up Jones rd after the game he says we'll have to get on ticketmaster when we get home to get tickets for the final. Ignorance is bliss.
Best of luck to all you Mayo and Donegal folks on your quest for tickets.
who will MArtin CArney shout for?
Dublin are playing in the minors, so he will shout for them
Quote from: johnpower on September 02, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
who will MArtin CArney shout for?
Who did he play more inter-county for?
'We won't talk about the final tonight, we'll let Mayo enjoy tonight' - Des on the Sunday Game ;D
I can't remember an All Ireland Final where I didn't have an opinion about who I wanted to win. I always support the Ulster team but I'll still be happy if Mayo win. It's really good for football to have a new pairing.
Quote from: Orangemac on September 02, 2012, 09:31:57 PM
It's hard to look past Donegal. The panic set in with Mayo from 50 minutes on,Donegal don't seem to do panic, apart from the last few minutes of the Kerry game.
Having said that the Donegal game is based around keeping the score tight and then hitting teams on the break and in the last 20 minutes that their fitness levels begin to tell. If someone got a 3/4 point lead on them at halftime it would be interesting to see how they would react.
Also no-one in the media seems to be giving Mayo a chance which is a great way to go into the final.
The last few minutes of the Cork game were leaky as well
Donegal will need to keep the free count down but it seems to be a significant part of the game they play.
Will the panjandrums support Mayo in the name of the face of fuball for the future and a victory for gaelic football ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkFIO0xu2k
Quote from: thebuzz on September 02, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
I can't remember an All Ireland Final where I didn't have an opinion about who I wanted to win. I always support the Ulster team but I'll still be happy if Mayo win. It's really good for football to have a new pairing.
I Agree great for football 2 new teams full of hunger and ability
Donegal smiling after the result today. It will be hard to convince them that they don't have it in the bag already (cue @brendandevanny). I hope Mayo win to be honest; no fans deserve it more hopefully the house of pain to stops in three weeks!!!!! What is rare is wonderful - it should be a great build-up and while i want to see Mayo win; its great that the alternative is Donegal.
BTW how the hell does Joe McQuillan get to ref in Croke Park on big days. He seemed to realise that he will have no A v B game to do in the last 20 mins when everything went for Dublin. Another inept referring display.
This year's All Ireland has been all about fitness and only the fittest will survive.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 02, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
This year's All Ireland has been all about fitness and only the fittest will survive.
So it is obviously survival of the fittest Captain.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on September 02, 2012, 10:48:01 PM
BTW how the hell does Joe McQuillan get to ref in Croke Park on big days. He seemed to realise that he will have no A v B game to do in the last 20 mins when everything went for Dublin. Another inept referring display.
Let it go will ya ::) jesus will you be disowning galvin yet at the rate the lad is spending up in the big smoke, get the chip off your shoulder, if you dislike dublin so much you know what to do...................
This will be a fascinating final..........................Mayo are in a perfect position now as the dublin lads gave them a right fright near the end ;) set up perfectly for them, cracking forwards who can kick dead ball from the ground and from distance by hand, solid midfield and defense who legs will be thankful for the run they got in croker yesterday
Best of luck to both teams really looking forward to it ................how sick are cassidy and mortimer today buckos
Apologies if this has been discussed already but will the injuries that Mayo picked up yesterday be cleared up by the final. Also, who won The Sunday Game MOTM?
Yes. Dillion.
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2012, 11:28:18 AM
Yes. Dillion.
Indeed a worthy winner................................... inda kenny would be proud ;)
Is Andy Moran ruled out for the final ?
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2012, 11:57:25 AM
Is Andy Moran ruled out for the final ?
Yes. Hopeful to have him back for the Connacht final next year though. :P
Conor Mortimer and Kevin Cassidy must feel like 2 right dicks now
I hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Quote from: seafoid on September 03, 2012, 01:49:07 PM
I hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
?
A lot of talk of Mayo letting their lead slip and just holding on. But they showed great fight and did hold on! Donegal conceeded late goals v Kerry and Cork when they were looking comfortable but again came out on the right end. Sets the final up nicely - still think Donegal will win though.
QuoteI hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Well Donegal did bring Sam via Sligo last time, but this was largely because the manager was from Bundoran. I'd say they'd prefer bringing it through Omagh this time.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 03, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
QuoteI hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Well Donegal did bring Sam via Sligo last time, but this was largely because the manager was from Bundoran. I'd say they'd prefer bringing it through Omagh this time.
So Donegal have already been presented with the Cup. ;D
And there was me thinking they had to win the Final first. :P
Shows all I know about football.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 03, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
QuoteI hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Well Donegal did bring Sam via Sligo last time, but this was largely because the manager was from Bundoran. I'd say they'd prefer bringing it through Omagh this time.
I do remember that, waking up that sunday as a 10yr old and going out in the back garden to score some serious points and the seen some bollix had put donegal flags on all our houses in the estate when we were asleep..
They got some reception in North Sligo in fairness, there were thousands in Cliffoney that night waiting, its kinda weird though being from North Sligo as when Sligo won Nestor they didnt get near us until weeks after but if Donegal win we are the first to see sam..tbh i would prefer see donegal come through Sligo but maybe theyll head to letterkenny first this time.
Still dont get seafoids post?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 03, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 03, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
QuoteI hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Well Donegal did bring Sam via Sligo last time, but this was largely because the manager was from Bundoran. I'd say they'd prefer bringing it through Omagh this time.
I do remember that, waking up that sunday as a 10yr old and going out in the back garden to score some serious points and the seen some bollix had put donegal flags on all our houses in the estate when we were asleep..
They got some reception in North Sligo in fairness, there were thousands in Cliffoney that night waiting, its kinda weird though being from North Sligo as when Sligo won Nestor they didnt get near us until weeks after but if Donegal win we are the first to see sam..tbh i would prefer see donegal come through Sligo but maybe theyll head to letterkenny first this time.
Still dont get seafoids post?
I'm sure ye can walk across the traintrack to Charlestown to have a gander at Sam
if we win. Sligonian is one of the few Connacht people on this board who doesn't go for we are all Connachtfolk and we like to see each other win outside of the Province.
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Donegal Town is where the homecomings take place. IF we win, that'll be the main first stop. Whether we'd go through Sligo or run the gauntlet of Kesh on the way through Pettigo remains to be seen.
Sure apparently Jim McGuinness is the new Saviour and there's a creed going on up in Donegal and everything.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Tarmonbarry would be the more likely spot!!!
Surely ye'll fly him straight to Knock if ye win?
Get a grip lads, talking about home comings. Jez, ye are in for a big land thinking like that. Lets enjoy the lead up to the game. Two humble counties, badly hit by emigration. The next couple of weeks will be a lift to people home and away. There is alot of inter-marraiges between the counties and there are similar demographics.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 02, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
I need a couple of tickets for the game, pm me and I will give u my details, hogan stand, lower tier, round centre pitch will doCheers in advance
Ho!Ho!Ho! Just clean the chimney
and leave the whiskey out little boy
Quote from: armaghniac on September 03, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
QuoteI hope Donegal and Mayo will have the generosity to include Sligo in the big day.
Well Donegal did bring Sam via Sligo last time, but this was largely because the manager was from Bundoran. I'd say they'd prefer bringing it through Omagh this time.
I was below in Sligo for that! They came out on the train. Jaysus I remember the Red Bonner comin off the train with a pint in his hand. Must have been some party. Good few Mayos were below to welcome them back that evening.
Can t believe its 20 bloody years ago. We ve lost 4 AIs since! If they win 2/2 and we lose 5/5 in that time it will make for some contrast in fortune.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 03, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 02, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
I need a couple of tickets for the game, pm me and I will give u my details, hogan stand, lower tier, round centre pitch will doCheers in advance
Ho!Ho!Ho! Just clean the chimney
and leave the whiskey out little boy
;D
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Is that not technically in Westmeath now ;) or does the Ballaghadereen Rossie argument fall down by Syferus's hand.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Is that not technically in Westmeath now ;) or does the Ballaghadereen Rossie argument fall down by Syferus's hand.
Only for administrative purposes. Everyone's addresses west of the Shannon are very much 'County Roscommon'. Completely different situation to Ballagh.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Get a grip lads, talking about home comings. Jez, ye are in for a big land thinking like that. Lets enjoy the lead up to the game. Two humble counties, badly hit by emigration. The next couple of weeks will be a lift to people home and away. There is alot of inter-marraiges between the counties and there are similar demographics.
Sure its a bit of Banter Bunker, I certainly don't think the Mayo lads are saying anything thats not tongue in cheek. I do hope that the Donegal people believe the hype and unlike us they have not be forwarned of its dangers, sure how could they, one appearance, one victory. But they should remember Down people believed they always won finals up until not so long ago.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 03, 2012, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Is that not technically in Westmeath now ;) or does the Ballaghadereen Rossie argument fall down by Syferus's hand.
Only for administrative purposes. Everyone's addresses west of the Shannon are very much 'County Roscommon'. Completely different situation to Ballagh.
Different as in its the exact same ;D
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Finals are for club mafiosa and their families - many who couldn t be arse going to earlier rounds.
And neutrals who want to be there and then complain when Mayo don t give them value for money ;D ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Get a grip lads, talking about home comings. Jez, ye are in for a big land thinking like that. Lets enjoy the lead up to the game. Two humble counties, badly hit by emigration. The next couple of weeks will be a lift to people home and away. There is alot of inter-marraiges between the counties and there are similar demographics.
Getting home is the easy part. Having something to bring home ....
There's a huge connection between Mayo and Donegal. Look at the names in north Mayo ... O'Donnell, Doherty ... and I'm sure vice versa. Also very similar people - fishing and sea-faring background, gaeltach areas .... Please god we'll get the win but if not there's no other county I'd rather win it that Mayo.
To be fair to Brolly (and when he is ridiculing your county on National TV it hard to!). All the points he made were relevant. Mayo Collapsed in the last 15 minutes. Mayo always have one big game and collapse in finals. Donegal will rather meet us in the final and will be licking their lips. Jim McGuiness will look at the last 15 minutes and have a plan.
Of course it's easy analysis, because we have not recently won the Silver Cup and until we do we are cannon fodder. If we had one Sam in the last 20 years, we would be praised how we closed the game out from a tight situation.
Joe naturally was dismissive of Mayo and was more interested in the 'Things' Callum Best had seen in his Life! :P
Not to sound cocky but this is a real chance for Mayo. Donegal are good. But they have not won Sam in 20 years. Their players have no knowledge or experience of AI final day. The Hype in Donegal is Mad at the moment and will get even madder as the days go by. Players are household names. Everybody expects Donegal to win. Most are talking of it being just a matter of turning up. This can get into young lads heads.
Meanwhile here in Mayo, there are dribs and drabs of flags in front gardens. The days of Hype seem to have diminished with all the AI appearances and no Sam. So far no pictures of Horan holding babies on Facebook pages and giving feck all insightful interviews. There is no stand out Mayo player for the media ala Mortimer or McDonald. The media have us written off and I'd say there were a few pissed off journalist who had drafts for a Donegal/Dublin final pre-written this week ready for publication. Despite beating the Dubs, the result is seem more as Dublin being stale and blowing it, and Mayo falling over the line. There is no Kerry in the final either and no matter how good Donegal are they don't have the aura the Kingdom have (for us). Don't get me wrong we respect Donegal, but they have had a soft centre in the past too and who knows it just might reappear on the big stage.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:56:41 PM
Finals are for club mafiosa and their families - many who couldn t be arse going to earlier rounds.
And neutrals who want to be there and then complain when Mayo don t give them value for money ;D ;D
Whatever about the club mafiosa etc it is an interesting point about who deserves tickets. The Mayo fan who has been to most of their championship games but isn't involved with a club or the U-12 coach who has been out with the kids every Saturday morning for the summer at the local pitch but can't go to games because of a young family etc. All things being equal it is the club man who wins in my book. But it is ridiculous how many tickets go to other counties who are not competing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Is Champ15 a Donegal lad, not used to finals are they ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
To be fair to Brolly (and when he is ridiculing your county on National TV it hard to!). All the points he made were relevant. Mayo Collapsed in the last 15 minutes. Mayo always have one big game and collapse in finals. Donegal will rather meet us in the final and will be licking their lips. Jim McGuiness will look at the last 15 minutes and have a plan.
Of course it's easy analysis, because we have not recently won the Silver Cup and until we do we are cannon fodder. If we had one Sam in the last 20 years, we would be praised how we closed the game out from a tight situation.
Joe naturally was dismissive of Mayo and was more interested in the 'Things' Callum Best had seen in his Life! :P
Not to sound cocky but this is a real chance for Mayo. Donegal are good. But they have not won Sam in 20 years. Their players have no knowledge or experience of AI final day. The Hype in Donegal is Mad at the moment and will get even madder as the days go by. Players are household names. Everybody expects Donegal to win. Most are talking of it being just a matter of turning up. This can get into young lads heads.
Meanwhile here in Mayo, there are dribs and drabs of flags in front gardens. The days of Hype seem to have diminished with all the AI appearances and no Sam. So far no pictures of Horan holding babies on Facebook pages and giving feck all insightful interviews. There is no stand out Mayo player for the media ala Mortimer or McDonald. The media have us written off and I'd say there were a few pissed off journalist who had drafts for a Donegal/Dublin final pre-written this week ready for publication. Despite beating the Dubs, the result is seem more as Dublin being stale and blowing it, and Mayo falling over the line. There is no Kerry in the final either and no matter how good Donegal are they don't have the aura the Kingdom have (for us). Don't get me wrong we respect Donegal, but they have had a soft centre in the past too and who knows it just might reappear on the big stage.
Nail on the head Bunker, Mayo is immune to the hype now, despite the singing at the end (Which we do anyways coz Mayo people love Mayo and love football who wouldn't love both), there was alot of wry smilles afterwards as in sure its only a Final, no point getting excited we won nothing yet. Donegal people don't get to finals (bar one) they probably blowing their loads by the bucket. They are in hype overdrive, sure I went up last week (home for a week and the Mayo game) and filled them with a load of shite on how they were the best team ever and had Sam in the bag, the lads were almost getting wetter than the women. Build that rock up lads, so they can smash themselves off it. If Mayo lose it will be because we were bet by a better team, Donegal have to contend with the hype machine.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 04, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:56:41 PM
Finals are for club mafiosa and their families - many who couldn t be arse going to earlier rounds.
And neutrals who want to be there and then complain when Mayo don t give them value for money ;D ;D
Whatever about the club mafiosa etc it is an interesting point about who deserves tickets. The Mayo fan who has been to most of their championship games but isn't involved with a club or the U-12 coach who has been out with the kids every Saturday morning for the summer at the local pitch but can't go to games because of a young family etc. All things being equal it is the club man who wins in my book. But it is ridiculous how many tickets go to other counties who are not competing.
What about the man, who played underage up to minors at club level, then went to every Championship game and club game for years, then got back playing club in Dublin but only made matches when the club not playing, then switched back to Mayo Championship and League matches and some Dublin and some Mayo club matches, then went to club games in Aus and went to the pub to watch Mayo, then every championship and league match and most FBD and some challenge game, then back playing club in England, then random flying home for some matches. Do I deserve a ticket, not sure, I have done everytype of GAA fan at this stage of course all the while going to random county club matches, interpros, etc. I don't think any person really deserves it more than the next. Its very hard under the systems in place to judge how much a man or woman deserves to go to the Final, does a GAA fan from Kilkenny, London, Melbourne or Waterford deserve a football ticket, or a Mayo, Armagh, European clubman, Cavan fan deserve a hurling ticket!
i suppose having been beat in a few big ones the mayo psyche needs to find some omens to ease the anxiety and donegal's simpleminded positivity needs taking down a peg or two by the more world-weary mayo sophisticates?
both sides have plenty hurt stored in the locker, plenty fuel to burn and they'll be as prepped as they can be. and the ball will be thrown in and we'll see what happens then, same as always.
Reading some of the comments on here, competing supporters are deeply miserable as opposed to excited. Fear of losing means many won't watch the game. We need more joy lads
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
rrhf- I think its fair to say that we are all excited and delighted to be in the final. It just that in the past we've experienced the real high scale hype and now it would be nice just to sit back and enjoy the next three weeks without all of the hype we've had in the recent finals gone by.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Is Champ15 a Donegal lad, not used to finals are they ;D
One of your own, musta missed the hype around the last few.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
Yes. It's a sign that the 4th Sundays in September in both 1951 and 2012 fell on the 23rd.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0904/1224323575384.html
"Mayo have scored 7-69 in four games. Without Andy we got 0-19 at the weekend and he was an immense loss. If in the past we had lost Ciarán McDonald or Liam McHale before a big match it would have been very hard to recover. Kieran Shannon, the sports psychologist, has done great work, as has Cian O'Neill, who's proved a winner.
"They've banished the ghosts of the past and there's a hardness and steel I haven't seen before.
Will the winning supporters try and make it onto the pitch???
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
Will the winning supporters try and make it onto the pitch???
Winning the match is the main thing. If we have to stay in the stands to watch the presentation, that's fine by me!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 04, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:56:41 PM
Finals are for club mafiosa and their families - many who couldn t be arse going to earlier rounds.
And neutrals who want to be there and then complain when Mayo don t give them value for money ;D ;D
Whatever about the club mafiosa etc it is an interesting point about who deserves tickets. The Mayo fan who has been to most of their championship games but isn't involved with a club or the U-12 coach who has been out with the kids every Saturday morning for the summer at the local pitch but can't go to games because of a young family etc. All things being equal it is the club man who wins in my book. But it is ridiculous how many tickets go to other counties who are not competing.
What about the man, who played underage up to minors at club level, then went to every Championship game and club game for years, then got back playing club in Dublin but only made matches when the club not playing, then switched back to Mayo Championship and League matches and some Dublin and some Mayo club matches, then went to club games in Aus and went to the pub to watch Mayo, then every championship and league match and most FBD and some challenge game, then back playing club in England, then random flying home for some matches. Do I deserve a ticket, not sure, I have done everytype of GAA fan at this stage of course all the while going to random county club matches, interpros, etc. I don't think any person really deserves it more than the next. Its very hard under the systems in place to judge how much a man or woman deserves to go to the Final, does a GAA fan from Kilkenny, London, Melbourne or Waterford deserve a football ticket, or a Mayo, Armagh, European clubman, Cavan fan deserve a hurling ticket!
Yes, you martyr, you deserve a final ticket, obviously. Where some of the tickets go does frighten me.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 04, 2012, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 04, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2012, 11:56:41 PM
Finals are for club mafiosa and their families - many who couldn t be arse going to earlier rounds.
And neutrals who want to be there and then complain when Mayo don t give them value for money ;D ;D
Whatever about the club mafiosa etc it is an interesting point about who deserves tickets. The Mayo fan who has been to most of their championship games but isn't involved with a club or the U-12 coach who has been out with the kids every Saturday morning for the summer at the local pitch but can't go to games because of a young family etc. All things being equal it is the club man who wins in my book. But it is ridiculous how many tickets go to other counties who are not competing.
What about the man, who played underage up to minors at club level, then went to every Championship game and club game for years, then got back playing club in Dublin but only made matches when the club not playing, then switched back to Mayo Championship and League matches and some Dublin and some Mayo club matches, then went to club games in Aus and went to the pub to watch Mayo, then every championship and league match and most FBD and some challenge game, then back playing club in England, then random flying home for some matches. Do I deserve a ticket, not sure, I have done everytype of GAA fan at this stage of course all the while going to random county club matches, interpros, etc. I don't think any person really deserves it more than the next. Its very hard under the systems in place to judge how much a man or woman deserves to go to the Final, does a GAA fan from Kilkenny, London, Melbourne or Waterford deserve a football ticket, or a Mayo, Armagh, European clubman, Cavan fan deserve a hurling ticket!
Yes, you martyr, you deserve a final ticket, obviously. Where some of the tickets go does frighten me.
Feck did not intend to sound like the martyr there ;D My point was there is so many different people who are involved in the GAA in different ways and its very hard to judge who should get a ticket.
Laois native Maurice Deegan has been confirmed as the referee for the 2012 GAA All-Ireland Senior Football Championship final between Donegal and Mayo on Sunday, September 23.
(http://www.munster-express.ie/files/2008/09/martin-king.jpg)
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 02, 2012, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 02, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Ticket acquired already and sept 23 is my birthday ,Happy days :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
. Get a good bet on to cover expenses. Nearest thing to a dead cert you will ever get. No way Donegal will cope with out style and we have the better players in 10/11 positions
Good man Mick, you've been spot on with your predictions all year. Expect 30 more parody accounts to be opened up next year if Mayo win the final. :P
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2012, 06:35:53 PM
Afraid it'll be a reprise of Galway's tearful (cheerful?) walk across the Shannon in the shadow of the mighty Roscommon fortress of Athlone Castle, lads.
Not much of a mighty Roscommon fortress, Athlone Castle like
all the rest of the town is in Westmeath.
theres fighting talk
from wiki
Athlone (Irish: Baile Átha Luain, meaning "town of Luan's ford")[1] is a town on the River Shannon near the southern shore of Lough Ree in Ireland.
It is on the border of counties Roscommon (province of Connacht) and Westmeath (province of Leinster). Although the River Shannon forms the historic border between Roscommon and Westmeath, the Local Government Act of 1898 designated all of Athlone (Urban) as belonging to Westmeath, including areas west of the river. Much recent growth has occurred outside the official town boundaries. Monksland for example, a suburb on the west side of the town, is not within the official town boundaries, yet it is the most populous area of County Roscommon.
No wonder they're always crying about Ballagh if Monksland is its most populous area.
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Two of the most likable counties in the country meet in this years AI final playing some of the most cynical football, however I'm sure both sets of supporters don't care one jot.
The similarities with both counties is fairly striking. Young manager who won provincial honours in his first year and were beaten at the SF stage. Defensive shape, huge emphasis on preparation, manic work rate and emphasis on ball retention and good shot selection. Strong emphasis on collective performance than on individual flair. No room for prima donnas or anybody prepared to rock the boat ie. Mortimer and Cassidy.
There can be no doubt that Donegal have had the harder route to the final and I think they have taken preparation, organisation and defensive structuring to new levels. The final scorelines against both Cork and Kerry might have said that they had narrow victories but this was grossly misleading. They ground both these teams into submission and were never in danger of losing.
Mayo have done all that could be asked of them up until now but the strength of the opposition they have faced to date is dubious. A win against any Dublin team will always be overhyped and I really don't think Dublin ever regained the manic intensity they had played with over the previous few years campaigns.
I'm sure Donegal would rather have faced Dublin in the final due to the favourites tagged now firmly hanging around their necks. Whilst I would happy to see either county winning, I do think Donegal will win and maybe even more comfortably than many imagine. Donegal by 5+.
(http://p.twimg.com/A189ujbCIAA9v-7.png:large)
Erika Harvey's facebook page going to get a views no doubt.....
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Is Champ15 a Donegal lad, not used to finals are they ;D
Haha no im a very proud mayo man who has county and connacht medals nit to mention an all Ireland club too so im well used to finals and winning them;D I'll get mine from the club but just trying to sort out my cousins from London who regularly fly over for mayo games
Quote from: ballinaman on September 04, 2012, 04:03:43 PM
Erika Harvey's facebook page going to get a views no doubt.....
Why? Sure she would have taken the screengrab...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
Yes. It's a sign that the 4th Sundays in September in both 1951 and 2012 fell on the 23rd.
Oh right thanks for clearing that up for me Fear, my head was wrecked at work today trying to figure that one out. :)
It was also a Stradbally clubman who reffed the final in 1951.
Is it a sign??
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
Yes. It's a sign that the 4th Sundays in September in both 1951 and 2012 fell on the 23rd.
Oh right thanks for clearing that up for me Fear, my head was wrecked at work today trying to figure that one out. :)
It was also a Stradbally clubman who reffed the final in 1951.
Is it a sign??
Tis a given
Do Mayo not have better forwards than Donegal ?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
QuoteThere can be no doubt that Donegal have had the harder route to the final
Explain?
Maybe the teams were historically supposed to be tougher but Mayo would have beaten all those teams also.
The facts are that the judgement on how good or not Donegal are will only become reality by 5pm on the 23rd Sept. Up til now, the media has them hyped out of proportion. This isn't unusual for the media as once one gombeen starts they all follow.
After the AIQF it was Kerry that were bad and hence Donegal won, then after the semi final when they beat Cork they are some super human outfit that has change the modern game....... wtf happened with peoples opinions in the space of 3 weeks.
In relation to our lads we are well used to the aul put downs anyhow and shur we are really in an AIF because we bate nothing too date!
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
QuoteThere can be no doubt that Donegal have had the harder route to the final
Explain?
Maybe the teams were historically supposed to be tougher but Mayo would have beaten all those teams also.
The facts are that the judgement on how good or not Donegal are will only become reality by 5pm on the 23rd Sept. Up til now, the media has them hyped out of proportion. This isn't unusual for the media as once one gombeen starts they all follow.
After the AIQF it was Kerry that were bad and hence Donegal won, then after the semi final when they beat Cork they are some super human outfit that has change the modern game....... wtf happened with peoples opinions in the space of 3 weeks.
In relation to our lads we are well used to the aul put downs anyhow and shur we are really in an AIF because we bate nothing too date!
Donegal played six games had three big tests in Tyrone,Kerry,Cork while Mayo played four games and only one big test v Dublin.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
Yes. It's a sign that the 4th Sundays in September in both 1951 and 2012 fell on the 23rd.
Oh right thanks for clearing that up for me Fear, my head was wrecked at work today trying to figure that one out. :)
It was also a Stradbally clubman who reffed the final in 1951.
Is it a sign??
Tis a given
Aye it is, I think we should be the ones fighting over where to have the homecoming, all the signs are there. Think Knock nice would be a nice place. We could fly the lads into the airport with Sam ( no need for our lads to be crammed up in a bus for 3-4 hours ) and then on their arrival to Knock have mass in the basilica for them ( sounds boring I know but I'm sure the fella above has been playing his part in our season so far, so we can't forget to thank him ). There is also plenty of free ground around the place to put up a marquee for the partying after mass. Or also Westport would be nice for photos by the seaside and might boost the tourism when they hear about Horan's hero's having there homecoming in Westport. There's plenty of other options aswell around Mayo, 'tis a big county.
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 04, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 04, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
September 23 1951- Mayo won Sam
September 23 2012-???
Is it a sign?
Yes. It's a sign that the 4th Sundays in September in both 1951 and 2012 fell on the 23rd.
Indeed. What are the odds? 7/!? Or is it less with leap years? :P
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
Without a doubt
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
Without a doubt
Mayo are always the worst side to reach a AI final since Mayo!
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
+1
The most sensable thing that has been posted on this thread yet.
Sure I don't even know how we get into to these finals we're so bad? Always seem to get the luck of the draw. I wonder would the draw be riggged O'Neil?
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2012, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
Without a doubt
Mayo are always the worst side to reach a AI final since Mayo!
Of course Cork 2007 getting a hiding was a blip and Down since their defeat in 2010 have gone on to be one of the top sides in the country.
Actually, sure if we beat the best team in the country we'll be the worst team to win Sam! :P
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
Bullshit O'Neill. Mayo won't score at all... :(
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
Have to disagree with you there. Donegal have conceeded late goals to Cork and Kerry which made their wins less comfortable. They also nearly conceeded a late goal to Tyrone only for a late Durcan save. Which would have ment they would have lost to an very very average Tyrone side. :P
I wouldn't read too much into the Cork goal. They got caught showboating, which won't happen again. Probably a free out anyway! :P
Biggest worry from Cork game would be the ridiculous misses.
Quote from: J70 on September 04, 2012, 10:16:10 PM
I wouldn't read too much into the Cork goal. They got caught showboating, which won't happen again. Probably a free out anyway! :P
Biggest worry from Cork game would be the ridiculous misses.
100% a free out. Was in line with it in the upper Hogan.Clear push in the back when the ball was in flight.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Which would have ment they would have lost to an very very average Tyrone side. :P
Draw. Point came from the 45.
If they are level on 65 minutes Mayo will win it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqLHUy7ceBo
Donegal try to squeeze the life out of their opponents but that doesn't always work in the real world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8uWXumx84
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
no-ones taking you serious you clown
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 04, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
no-ones taking you serious you clown
He can't be serious Donegal don't give away seven scorable frees.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 04, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
no-ones taking you serious you clown
Congratulations.
Tomorrow I'll do the hands of the clock for you.
All this amounts to is Ulstermen following the family line and Mayoigans being aghast (jaws hitting fireplaces, floors, tarmac, whatever's under their feet) at the arrogance.
I'd love to see someone from Ulster plump for Mayo, y'know, to fresh it up, like.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 04, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Get that winning Sam out of your head now. Go down the night before and just enjoy the occasion. Plenty of music, pints and craic. Best to have a decent hangover the next day to dull the pain of another hammering. The minor game should be a good'un though.
On a serious note, the only way Mayo can win this is through a remarkably hefty series of poor decisions by the ref. Donegal have shown no weaknesses at any time this year. They're getting stronger and swatted aside all heavyweight pretenders. This game is like the last stage of the TdF. McGuinness are here for the platitudes and a nice freewheel up the Hogan steps. But Mayo should be proud of where they got to from being 0-12 to 1-7 down in London with a lock a minutes left 16 months ago.
Donegal 1-16 (McFadden 1-5, Murphy, McHugh, McGlynn, Gallagher, McBrearty, Kavanagh, Lacey, Walsh, Thompson, McElhinney, McGee 0-1 each)
Mayo 0-9 (O'Connor 0-8 (7f), Dillon 0-1)
HT 0-14 to 0-3
82'000
Sunny
no-ones taking you serious you clown
Squeaky bum time for some on here.................................. he was not being serious fer frigs sake. ::)
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Which would have ment they would have lost to an very very average Tyrone side. :P
Draw. Point came from the 45.
Yeah, you are right there. Funny I had falsely remembered it as being 2 points in it when the save was made.
Have to say, I'm really enjoying the lead up to this. Sure we are shite (according to all ye feckers). The hype down here is next to naught. When i think about it how is a team like us who are not top five in an AI final? Sure who really have we beaten in the last 18 months, a declining Down, tired reigning AI champions Dublin, tired reigning AI champions Cork last year and a tired Kerry in the semi finals of the National league (a competition they don't give a shite about). Donegal have a far superior record over 18 months beating Down, Tyrone, Cork, Kerry and Lost only narrowly to Dublin last year. Unlike Donegal we don't seem to have a strong manager, we have a weak backline, Midfield, Forwards, we are not cynical enough, don't have hunger and don't play as a team. Really can't really compare Mayo to Donegal. Donegal unlike Mayo have never (ever) flopped in the past when anything was expected from them.
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
All this amounts to is Ulstermen following the family line and Mayoigans being aghast (jaws hitting fireplaces, floors, tarmac, whatever's under their feet) at the arrogance.
I'd love to see someone from Ulster plump for Mayo, y'know, to fresh it up, like.
I'd prefer to see Mayo win. No fan of Donegal. But it's not going to happen. Impossible. I'll run naked from Malin to Ballina if Sam ends up in Mayo.
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
All this amounts to is Ulstermen following the family line and Mayoigans being aghast (jaws hitting fireplaces, floors, tarmac, whatever's under their feet) at the arrogance.
I'd love to see someone from Ulster plump for Mayo, y'know, to fresh it up, like.
I'd prefer to see Mayo win. No fan of Donegal. But it's not going to happen. Impossible. I'll run naked from Malin to Ballina if Sam ends up in Mayo.
Farrandeelin isn't that far out the road.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
All this amounts to is Ulstermen following the family line and Mayoigans being aghast (jaws hitting fireplaces, floors, tarmac, whatever's under their feet) at the arrogance.
I'd love to see someone from Ulster plump for Mayo, y'know, to fresh it up, like.
I'd prefer to see Mayo win. No fan of Donegal. But it's not going to happen. Impossible. I'll run naked from Malin to Ballina if Sam ends up in Mayo.
Farrandeelin isn't that far out the road.
You want him to run to you naked ?
Quote from: Champ15 on September 04, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Is Champ15 a Donegal lad, not used to finals are they ;D
Haha no im a very proud mayo man who has county and connacht medals nit to mention an all Ireland club too so im well used to finals and winning them;D I'll get mine from the club but just trying to sort out my cousins from London who regularly fly over for mayo games
If I am correct, you played a wee bit of soccer too, albeit in a neighbouring parish, and in the true heartland of Mayo GAA... :P
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 05, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 04, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 04, 2012, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on September 03, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Does anyone know if SuperValu are selling tickets for the final?
Not for finals I'm afraid.
Is Champ15 a Donegal lad, not used to finals are they ;D
Haha no im a very proud mayo man who has county and connacht medals nit to mention an all Ireland club too so im well used to finals and winning them;D I'll get mine from the club but just trying to sort out my cousins from London who regularly fly over for mayo games
If I am correct, you played a wee bit of soccer too, albeit in a neighbouring parish, and in the true heartland of Mayo GAA... :P
don't know about the heartland of mayo gaa but the rest is correct;D
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper
BTW how the hell does Joe McQuillan get to ref in Croke Park on big days. He seemed to realise that he will have no A v B game to do
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He seems to have managed just fine with no A v B games in the last two years. But sure don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Good man spuds ;D He did say if we win Sam. So God knows what condition I'll be in myself!
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Are Mayo the worst side to reach an All Ireland since Mayo?
Very hard question to answer when you think about it O'Neill. There's many thinks to consider like which worst Mayo are you talking about?
Is it the Mayo of 96 which had the ' you expect me to kick the ball between the posts and over the bar!!' full forward line?
Or the ' full back line what full back line' vintage of 2006?
Then you have the ' sure Maurice Fitz couldn't kick snow of a rope' titans of 97 to contend with?
And not forgetting the ' where's Davy Brady gone I want my midfield back ' galaticos of 2004?
1989 doesn't apply since we had Galway's best ever modern era manager in charge of us then to keep the game competitive so as you can see there's a lot of variables to take into account when deciding are Mayo the worst side since Mayo to reach an All Ireland final! ;)
Who played the pukiest fuball since Mayo were last in the final? Was it Tyrone ?
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
All this amounts to is Ulstermen following the family line and Mayoigans being aghast (jaws hitting fireplaces, floors, tarmac, whatever's under their feet) at the arrogance.
I'd love to see someone from Ulster plump for Mayo, y'know, to fresh it up, like.
I'd prefer to see Mayo win. No fan of Donegal. But it's not going to happen. Impossible. I'll run naked from Malin to Ballina if Sam ends up in Mayo.
Beware ONeill bearing a bare arse (or thereof threatening): we're still awaiting his buck-naked birthday suited arrival in Sion Mills since 2008!
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
It's really not that simple. Brigid's success means I know of a good few families who moved to the area that chose them, nevermind people from Kiltoom moving to houses closer to Athlone. Boundary lines are far from clear-cut in urban and semi-urban areas.
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
It's really not that simple. Brigid's success means I know of a good few families who moved to the area that chose them, nevermind people from Kiltoom moving to houses closer to Athlone. Boundary lines are far from clear-cut in urban and semi-urban areas.
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
It's really not that simple. Brigid's success means I know of a good few families who moved to the area that chose them, nevermind people from Kiltoom moving to houses closer to Athlone. Boundary lines are far from clear-cut in urban and semi-urban areas.
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
It has to be kept interesting somehow cause there is only so many ways you can say Mayo haven't a hope of wining this match! :'(
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
It's really not that simple. Brigid's success means I know of a good few families who moved to the area that chose them, nevermind people from Kiltoom moving to houses closer to Athlone. Boundary lines are far from clear-cut in urban and semi-urban areas.
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
Ganlys is indeed the end of the St. Brigids catchment area. After that you're in Clann.
Syferus, I'm talking about actual parish boundaries, not where members move to. Thats a whole different can of worms. Just making the point that the most populated area in Roscommon falls within Clann na Gaels area.
And I don't know how we got to this discussion.
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
A
bona fide Mayo thread and you end up discussing the Rossies!
I give up! :P ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
A bona fide Mayo thread and you end up discussing the Rossies!
I give up! :P ;)
And ye are calling the Jimmys arrogant ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
A bona fide Mayo thread and you end up discussing the Rossies!
I give up! :P ;)
Sure join the club most of us in Mayo have given up anyway(on the final but not necessarily this thread).
I think we are getting quite good at being as farcical off the pitch as on it! Can't wait for this to be over , roll on the FBD and our new manger. 8)
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 01:25:41 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 05, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
They're out to get us on all sides FFS >:(
At least the Laythrums didn't get Cortober or the main part of Rooskey or we'd be effed altogether.
Don't all those west of the Shannon in Athlone play with Clann na Gael ?
Depends. St. Brigid's eats into some outlying areas of Athlone, Paraig Pearses are in the Monksland area. Clann is actually only two half parishes wedged between those two clubs.
Just to correct, Pearses is about 10km from Monskland. Monksland entirely falls within Clann na Gael, and St Brigids doesn't even touch any of the urban part of Athlone. You have to pass through Clann to get to Brigids if you leave Athlone.
It's really not that simple. Brigid's success means I know of a good few families who moved to the area that chose them, nevermind people from Kiltoom moving to houses closer to Athlone. Boundary lines are far from clear-cut in urban and semi-urban areas.
Indeed, isn't Ganleys stores at the roundabout at the start of the Roscommon road in the Brigids catchment area for example. As for the Garrycastle/Athlone divide on the other side of the river ::)
How did an All-Ireland final thread end up discussing this ?!
Ganlys is indeed the end of the St. Brigids catchment area. After that you're in Clann.
Syferus, I'm talking about actual parish boundaries, not where members move to. Thats a whole different can of worms. Just making the point that the most populated area in Roscommon falls within Clann na Gaels area.
And I don't know how we got to this discussion.
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
Can't this shite go on a thread of its own?
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Quote from: drici on September 05, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
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2 each for the committee and raffle the other 30 among the members. ::)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
I tould ye to ignore that buckeen :-[
Quote from: J70 on September 05, 2012, 04:46:47 PM
Can't this shite go on a thread of its own?
No !.
Why should the Daniels ( if Longford can be Larries....) and the Rhubarbs be allowed have an All Irel Final without Sufferus ruinin it on ye ? ::)
All-Ireland ticket breakdown for 2011
Any changes from the 2010 allocation are indicated in brackets.
County allocations: 58,401 (-604)
Provinces: 335 (-50)
Overseas: 470 (-29)
Central Council and former Presidents: 798 (-107)
Camogie: 120
Ladies' football: 150
Rounders and handball: 147 (-15)
Sponsors: 935 (-35)
Press: 254
TV and radio: 74
Schools and educational bodies: 2,229
3rd Level: 240 (-38)
Croke Park residents: 250
Match officials and national referees' panel: 103 (-5)
Irish Sports Council and health bodies: 60 (-10)
Match day / Vertigo / minor teams: 148 (-52)
GAA staff and sub-committees: 718 (-93)
Jubilee teams: 68 (-69)
Mini-sevens: 244 (-2)
Term tickets: 4,144 (-11)
Season tickets: 1,884 (+1,120)
Total available for distribution: 71,772
Premium and corporate seating*: 10,528
Total capacity (as per planning permission): 82,300
* Premium seats are sold to individuals on a fixed basis of between one and ten years so aren't available for resale. Tickets for corporate boxes are the responsibility of the owners of those boxes.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
Because you decided to be an identikit smartarse, Croi, I'll prove my point. I expect that guff from Rosfan, but not from you.
Pearses stretches from pretty much Ballinsloe to about 9-10km from Monksland by road, less directly. I didn't say Pearses were
in Monksland itself. What route out of Athlone does one take to get to Woodmount? I'll give you a hint - it begins with an M. Like everywhere else club boarders have become less important and there's not just Clann flags out the Monksland road, but that's beside the point.
If 10km isn't
'in the Monksland area', in a conversation centred on Athlone, then you are a pedantic as they come.
Moving on.
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
Because you decided to be an identikit smartarse, Croi, I'll prove my point. I expect that guff from Rosfan, but not from you.
Pearses stretches from pretty much Ballinsloe to about 9-10km from Monksland by road, less directly. I didn't say Pearses were in Monksland itself. What route out of Athlone does one take to get to Woodmount? I'll give you a hint - it begins with an M. Like everywhere else club boarders have become less important and there's not just Clann flags out the Monksland road, but that's beside the point.
If 10km isn't 'in the Monksland area', in a conversation centred on Athlone, then you are a pedantic as they come.
Moving on.
Yes, lets move on. Its tough have a discussion when you twist it all to suit your atgument.
Back to the actual point, I see McGuiness has blasted the donegal county board for their homecoming argument. Fair play to him. Its tough enough prepare a team without that distraction. And its insulting to Mayo.
It has nothing to do with Mayo. It's stupid internal politics blown up into a ridiculous national story. I doubt very much if Letterkenny CoC gave a second thought to Mayo or the game itself. They just want their piece of the pie, win or lose.
All those crying about this disrespect: are Mayo county board not making arrangements?
the anti-donegal spinmachine cometh, J70 manfully holding the line.
¡no pasaran!
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 05, 2012, 05:47:41 PM
All-Ireland ticket breakdown for 2011
Any changes from the 2010 allocation are indicated in brackets.
County allocations: 58,401 (-604)
Provinces: 335 (-50)
Overseas: 470 (-29)
Central Council and former Presidents: 798 (-107)
Camogie: 120
Ladies' football: 150
Rounders and handball: 147 (-15)
Sponsors: 935 (-35)
Press: 254
TV and radio: 74
Schools and educational bodies: 2,229
3rd Level: 240 (-38)
Croke Park residents: 250
Match officials and national referees' panel: 103 (-5)
Irish Sports Council and health bodies: 60 (-10)
Match day / Vertigo / minor teams: 148 (-52)
GAA staff and sub-committees: 718 (-93)
Jubilee teams: 68 (-69)
Mini-sevens: 244 (-2)
Term tickets: 4,144 (-11)
Season tickets: 1,884 (+1,120)
Total available for distribution: 71,772
Premium and corporate seating*: 10,528
Total capacity (as per planning permission): 82,300
* Premium seats are sold to individuals on a fixed basis of between one and ten years so aren't available for resale. Tickets for corporate boxes are the responsibility of the owners of those boxes.
There are a lot of empty corporate boxes in Croker these days.
Most of the corporations are banjaxed.
Quote from: J70 on September 05, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
It has nothing to do with Mayo. It's stupid internal politics blown up into a ridiculous national story. I doubt very much if Letterkenny CoC gave a second thought to Mayo or the game itself. They just want their piece of the pie, win or lose.
All those crying about this disrespect: are Mayo county board not making arrangements?
Well they must be. Because they plan on finishing up the county league programme in mid-December!!
As mentioned by others its hard to know who to support in the final (always have to support someone in a game!). Normally I'd support the ulster team and have supported Donegal in the last few games. But its hard to cheer against Mayo. They've suffered so many bad days in finals over the last 23 years and are a good football county. They also gave Tyrone a great reception in 2004. And the bitter side of me says I shouldn't mind cheering against Donegal as their supporters were happy to cheer against Tyrone v Kildare a couple of years ago in a double header.
Having said all that its hard not to see Donegal winning this one. They just look so strong this year and in such great shape. However, teams have looked invincible before and been turned over in a final.
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
That's a great post!
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
I think you're taking the Internet a wee bit too seriously.
QuoteDo ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
actually yes
when he sees the sheep it brings home the fact that an All ireland final is much bigger than any other game he will ever play . people that he knows personally and professionally and is related to who have no intrest in football will be watching him .
gobshites like Mchugh and brolly are just waiting for him to fail and turn the very mention of his name into a runnin National joke as 'Mayo Bomb again'
likewise in donegal you have polititions never seen at a match scrapping for a place on the trailer and making sure Sam Maguire come to their rotten borroughs and all the talk in the slums of letterkeeny and carndonagh of their beloved Celtic Man U and Liverpool is replaced with people chatting football and tickets
Damn right the hype of making a final is nerve racking and who ever deal with that best will have a good head start come AIF day ( or as is known in mayo GAME 5)
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 05, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
As mentioned by others its hard to know who to support in the final (always have to support someone in a game!). Normally I'd support the ulster team and have supported Donegal in the last few games. But its hard to cheer against Mayo. They've suffered so many bad days in finals over the last 23 years and are a good football county. They also gave Tyrone a great reception in 2004. And the bitter side of me says I shouldn't mind cheering against Donegal as their supporters were happy to cheer against Tyrone v Kildare a couple of years ago in a double header.
Having said all that its hard not to see Donegal winning this one. They just look so strong this year and in such great shape. However, teams have looked invincible before and been turned over in a final.
Look, I can t remember Donegal losing many finals! They won the only AI they got to and I dont remember them losing many Ulsters either.
I know we ve had rough days in finals but ye know something? I d sooner those final defeats to the real bad days. Mayo s final defeats might have annoyed neutrals and saddened natives but there were worse years!
If Donegal do not win the final they might come to understand the above.
I think you Redhand Santa should support your Ulster neighbours in fairness? Mayo do not need, or expect sympathy either, for past defeats - a couple of our own making/ a few we were not good enough.
Quote from: yoggie on September 05, 2012, 06:20:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
Because you decided to be an identikit smartarse, Croi, I'll prove my point. I expect that guff from Rosfan, but not from you.
Pearses stretches from pretty much Ballinsloe to about 9-10km from Monksland by road, less directly. I didn't say Pearses were in Monksland itself. What route out of Athlone does one take to get to Woodmount? I'll give you a hint - it begins with an M. Like everywhere else club boarders have become less important and there's not just Clann flags out the Monksland road, but that's beside the point.
If 10km isn't 'in the Monksland area', in a conversation centred on Athlone, then you are a pedantic as they come.
Moving on.
Yes, lets move on. Its tough have a discussion when you twist it all to suit your atgument.
Back to the actual point, I see McGuiness has blasted the donegal county board for their homecoming argument. Fair play to him. Its tough enough prepare a team without that distraction. And its insulting to Mayo.
No it is not insulting to Mayo! We don t give a shite if they sail into Lough Swilly.
Any slight here is to their own - and I doubt if those in Letterkenny who are making this overture are football people. With respect to Chambers of Commerce everywhere they are acting the 'snake- oil salesman'. they don t give a shite about the team prep but just want to get a bit of business out of the gig. McGuinness should have stayed well away from the mess. The request should have been smothered and the sender told 'straight' to cop on to themselves.
Ffs if either team wins there be enough of Sam to go around every town and village. Letterkenny COC have made an ass of themselves.
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2012, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 05, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
As mentioned by others its hard to know who to support in the final (always have to support someone in a game!). Normally I'd support the ulster team and have supported Donegal in the last few games. But its hard to cheer against Mayo. They've suffered so many bad days in finals over the last 23 years and are a good football county. They also gave Tyrone a great reception in 2004. And the bitter side of me says I shouldn't mind cheering against Donegal as their supporters were happy to cheer against Tyrone v Kildare a couple of years ago in a double header.
Having said all that its hard not to see Donegal winning this one. They just look so strong this year and in such great shape. However, teams have looked invincible before and been turned over in a final.
Look, I can t remember Donegal losing many finals! They won the only AI they got to and I dont remember them losing many Ulsters either.
I know we ve had rough days in finals but ye know something? I d sooner those final defeats to the real bad days. Mayo s final defeats might have annoyed neutrals and saddened natives but there were worse years!
If Donegal do not win the final they might come to understand the above.
I think you Redhand Santa should support your Ulster neighbours in fairness? Mayo do not need, or expect sympathy either, for past defeats - a couple of our own making/ a few we were not good enough.
You haven't paid much attention to the Ulster championship. In the last decade they lost three Ulster finals to Armagh in 2006,04 and 02.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
Hyping us up again we'll never learn!! That's Sam booked to winter up in Falcarragh now ::)
By the way if you're going to spray paint the car you don't need to take the doors off unless you're going doing the inside as well! 8)
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
Good man Críost Linn. Fair play to you.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2012, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 05, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
As mentioned by others its hard to know who to support in the final (always have to support someone in a game!). Normally I'd support the ulster team and have supported Donegal in the last few games. But its hard to cheer against Mayo. They've suffered so many bad days in finals over the last 23 years and are a good football county. They also gave Tyrone a great reception in 2004. And the bitter side of me says I shouldn't mind cheering against Donegal as their supporters were happy to cheer against Tyrone v Kildare a couple of years ago in a double header.
Having said all that its hard not to see Donegal winning this one. They just look so strong this year and in such great shape. However, teams have looked invincible before and been turned over in a final.
Look, I can t remember Donegal losing many finals! They won the only AI they got to and I dont remember them losing many Ulsters either.
I know we ve had rough days in finals but ye know something? I d sooner those final defeats to the real bad days. Mayo s final defeats might have annoyed neutrals and saddened natives but there were worse years!
If Donegal do not win the final they might come to understand the above.
I think you Redhand Santa should support your Ulster neighbours in fairness? Mayo do not need, or expect sympathy either, for past defeats - a couple of our own making/ a few we were not good enough.
You haven't paid much attention to the Ulster championship. In the last decade they lost three Ulster finals to Armagh in 2006,04 and 02.
Obviuosly not. As I said
I dont remember....... No recollection of those Ulster Finals even though I would have seen them at the time. In fact it backs up what I was trying to say. Everybody remembers an AI defeat. Nobody remembers who wins and loses Leagues or Provincials except the winners and losers, especially the winners ;).
Tomorrow must ask my Donegal collegues the years of their 3 Ulster defeats during the noughties. I ll get back to ye.
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2012, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2012, 12:11:13 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 05, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
As mentioned by others its hard to know who to support in the final (always have to support someone in a game!). Normally I'd support the ulster team and have supported Donegal in the last few games. But its hard to cheer against Mayo. They've suffered so many bad days in finals over the last 23 years and are a good football county. They also gave Tyrone a great reception in 2004. And the bitter side of me says I shouldn't mind cheering against Donegal as their supporters were happy to cheer against Tyrone v Kildare a couple of years ago in a double header.
Having said all that its hard not to see Donegal winning this one. They just look so strong this year and in such great shape. However, teams have looked invincible before and been turned over in a final.
Look, I can t remember Donegal losing many finals! They won the only AI they got to and I dont remember them losing many Ulsters either.
I know we ve had rough days in finals but ye know something? I d sooner those final defeats to the real bad days. Mayo s final defeats might have annoyed neutrals and saddened natives but there were worse years!
If Donegal do not win the final they might come to understand the above.
I think you Redhand Santa should support your Ulster neighbours in fairness? Mayo do not need, or expect sympathy either, for past defeats - a couple of our own making/ a few we were not good enough.
You haven't paid much attention to the Ulster championship. In the last decade they lost three Ulster finals to Armagh in 2006,04 and 02.
Obviuosly not. As I said I dont remember....... No recollection of those Ulster Finals even though I would have seen them at the time. In fact it backs up what I was trying to say. Everybody remembers an AI defeat. Nobody remembers who wins and loses Leagues or Provincials except the winners and losers, especially the winners ;).
Tomorrow must ask my Donegal collegues the years of their 3 Ulster defeats during the noughties. I ll get back to ye.
I'm sure I was at one of those, it was in Croke Park wasn't it!
If Mayo win :o the media will have it handy, they can take the Mayo being good old bottling it Mayo and replace it with the word Donegal, that way they can still have a dig at someone and still ignore Mayo. Really is the perfect All-Ireland for the national medja.
Quote from: ONeill on September 05, 2012, 11:35:32 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
sure what preparation do you need to make for a homecoming.
Get an auld trailer and put the boys up on it.
I dont buy into all this rubbish about Donegal been over confident. I hope Mayo are the same. Isnt this the idea of all these head coaches. Sure what the hell is Kieran Shannon at if he isnt trying to build lads confidence up. He's hardly going around saying ye are shit in the hope that we end up less confident then Donegal and expecting to win because of this.
Mayo people are also going around on edge afraid to say we might win the game or even show any support for the team. Everybody telling us to avoid the "hype" because this is what beat us before. Maybe if some of the experts in this field could put up a list of what exactly we can do it would be great. I have a load of sheep ready for painting but I want to get the amount right so as to avoid the "hype" going into overdrive. Do ye really think Cillian O Connor driving by a load of green and red sheep is thinking, fcuk Im so nervous now about this match.
Ill tell you what the real problem is here. Its typical good old Irish begrudgery. Everyone loves to see people fall flat on there face and if they fall after building themselves up a little even better again. Irish people hate to see anyone getting above there station. Sure them fellas think they are great altogether. And they cant wait until you come tumbling down. "Sure didnt I tell you". Them fellas got carried away with themselves.
Donegal or Mayo are not going to be complacent in this Final. How could they be. Both teams will respect each other and Im sure both sets of players will expect to beat the others. Fans will go wild in the build up, but thats part of it so lads stop coming on here putting down every poster with a bit of confidence in there team with the usual sh1i of the "Mayo lads are getting carried away with themselves again" or "them Donegal lads are really setting themselves up for a fall".
Oh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Rant over
I think you're taking the Internet a wee bit too seriously.
Do you really think so O'Neill. Thanks for that advise, Ill try and keep away from it a bit. I really appreciate you sharing your expertease is this field. I could only ever dream of a post count like yours and with that much posting you have obviously picked up a lot of experience on these matters along the way.
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 05, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
Syferus was waffling about Athlone castle being in Roscommon I think. Then he went on to claim Paraig Pearses were in the Monksland area ::) Maybe Rossfan or is it Rossman has a case.
Because you decided to be an identikit smartarse, Croi, I'll prove my point. I expect that guff from Rosfan, but not from you.
Pearses stretches from pretty much Ballinsloe to about 9-10km from Monksland by road, less directly. I didn't say Pearses were in Monksland itself. What route out of Athlone does one take to get to Woodmount? I'll give you a hint - it begins with an M. Like everywhere else club boarders have become less important and there's not just Clann flags out the Monksland road, but that's beside the point.
If 10km isn't 'in the Monksland area', in a conversation centred on Athlone, then you are a pedantic as they come.
Moving on.
That's a new one. Anyway if its alright with yourself I'll let the Paraig Pearses club man have the definitive word on this.
Back to the final and I don't think the homecoming gaffe or indeed the hype in either county will have much of an effect in either county. Both teams are so well prepared and managed that outside influences shouldn't be an influence on AI final day. I hope Mayo do it as have r3elations down there.
QuoteOh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Fair play your right there. Now I don't want to get carried away or anything but this year will be the start of the 3 in a row for us.
Quote from: highorlow on September 06, 2012, 10:07:56 AM
QuoteOh yeah. Mayo posters will ye every snap out of this beal bocht crap ye are going on with. Its the AI final for christ sake. Get behind the team and start to show a bit of faith. Ye are not codding anyone and its getting a bit tiresome now.
Fair play your right there. Now I don't want to get carried away or anything but this year will be the start of the 3 in a row for us. drive for five for us!
Fixed that fro you highorlow.
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI. Poor by his standards.
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI. Poor by his standards.
That's what I've been thinking all summer too but It hasn't affected Donegal so far and you would think they would have suffered against Cork and Kerry because of this! Saying that he did win a lot of ball in the Cork game and recycled it selflessly to the open man and created scores. Murphy's and the management's main focus would be to improve his free taking return which would be my main worry if I was a Donegal fan. He really should have a minimum 95% success rate with the talent at his disposal.
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI.
Anthony Molloy will keep Mícheál Óg right.
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Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI. Poor by his standards.
He's mostly been used as playmaker and has done quite well. Ulster final in particular he had a superb second half. Frees have definitely been fairly inconsistent though.
How many sons of Sam winners from 92 are in the panel for 12. As for the Murphy question one ridiculous pub comparison recently called him the Nando Torres of Donegal this year.
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Quote from: drici on September 06, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI.
Anthony Molloy will keep Mícheál Óg right.
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Great photo!
Who is going to mark Murphy in the final is going to be a big call. Well, maybe not, because it kinda has to be Cafferkey but Ger struggled in Ballyshannon. Mind you that was Murphy before his latest injury and he seemed sharper then. Keane would be possibly better to match him for size but I suspect they might go with Caff.
Caff on McFadden surely .... Murphy won't stay in inside forward line and we would prefer Caff to stay in our FB line.
Higgins to follow McHugh and Keegan on Murphy.
Quote from: blast05 on September 06, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Caff on McFadden surely .... Murphy won't stay in inside forward line and we would prefer Caff to stay in our FB line.
Higgins to follow McHugh and Keegan on Murphy.
Higgins made McFadden look pedestrian in Ballyshannon. To such an extent that they dropped McFadden deep to get on the ball and try and hit Murphy from deep. A good string to Donegal s bow. McFadden is a very good ballplayer in a deeper position. Wouldn t argue much with any of your match ups except I think that we will keep our preferred back 3 as our back 3 and I cant imagine us changing our shape to the extent that Higgins would be dispatched to chase McHugh all over the place. I think Cork showed that s a waste of time anyway. I expect Keegan to be deployed with attack in mind rather than a marking duty. I d set Boyle loose as an antidote to McHugh and rather than mark him tell him to play hell. Waste of energy getting a player to follow McHugh everywhere. Put a plan in place where somebody picks him up when he comes back over the equator!
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Kerry people reckon it's Mayo's for the taking.
Still rooms left in Dublin.
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Quote from: drici on September 07, 2012, 12:31:10 PM
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Kerry people reckon it's Mayo's for the taking.
Kerry Little People.
Donegals allocation of tickets;
St Eunans 712
Naomh Columba 494
Ardara 476
Four Masters 446
Dungloe 434
Malin 429
Killybegs 426
Kilcar 422
Buncrana 409
Cloughaneely 396
Glenswilly 392
Glenfin 382
Naomh Conaill 381
St Michaels 368
Carndonagh 361
Moville 331
Gweedore 325
St Nauls 320
Naomh Mhuire 308
Aodh Ruadh 302
Lettekenny Gaels 284
Sean MacCumhaill 282
Urris 266
Milford 264
Robert Emmetts 261
Fanad 256
Termon 253
Bundoran 251
Naomh Brid 248
Convoy 247
Naomh Padraig Muff 239
Burt 224
NaomhUltan 205
Downings 201
Red Hughs 191
Naomh Padraig Lifford 181
Naomh Colmcille 151
Na Rossa 149
Pettigo 95
Hun Donegal. Sam 2012 8)
How about Mayo's allocation mayomick?
Quote from: drici on September 06, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 06, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Seriously though I would be of the opinion that Michael Murphy needs to improve his performance for donegal to win the AI.
Anthony Molloy will keep Mícheál Óg right.
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PROBABLY POSTED BNEFORE BUT
All-Ireland ticket breakdown for 2011
Any changes from the 2010 allocation are indicated in brackets.
•County allocations: 58,401 (-604)
•Provinces: 335 (-50)
•Overseas: 470 (-29)
•Central Council and former Presidents: 798 (-107)
•Camogie: 120
•Ladies' football: 150
•Rounders and handball: 147 (-15)
•Sponsors: 935 (-35)
•Press: 254
•TV and radio: 74
•Schools and educational bodies: 2,229
•3rd Level: 240 (-38)
•Croke Park residents: 250
•Match officials and national referees' panel: 103 (-5)
•Irish Sports Council and health bodies: 60 (-10)
•Match day / Vertigo / minor teams: 148 (-52)
•GAA staff and sub-committees: 718 (-93)
•Jubilee teams: 68 (-69)
•Mini-sevens: 244 (-2)
•Term tickets: 4,144 (-11)
•Season tickets: 1,884 (+1,120)
Total available for distribution: 71,772
•Premium and corporate seating*: 10,528
Total capacity (as per planning permission): 82,300
Won't lose sleep about the tickets for the final but there was at least imho twice as many Donegal fans at the semi final last year as were Mayo fans this year. Glad to see the amount of tickets each club in Donegal got as I reckon that it should satisfy the most deserving in those clubs.
Don't know where the figures came (or even if they are accurate) from but will definitely put some pressure on Mayo CB ( and indeed CBs in the future)to do likewise ( *if as I said these figures are not a spoof).
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2012, 05:32:30 PM
Won't lose sleep about the tickets for the final but there was at least imho twice as many Donegal fans at the semi final last year as were Mayo fans this year. Glad to see the amount of tickets each club in Donegal got as I reckon that it should satisfy the most deserving in those clubs.
Don't know where the figures came (or even if they are accurate) from but will definitely put some pressure on Mayo CB ( and indeed CBs in the future)to do likewise ( *if as I said these figures are not a spoof).
So there were 60,000 Donegal fans and only 20,000 Dubs at the match last year!!! :o
Donegal gets more amazing by the second.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2012, 05:32:30 PM
Won't lose sleep about the tickets for the final but there was at least imho twice as many Donegal fans at the semi final last year as were Mayo fans this year. Glad to see the amount of tickets each club in Donegal got as I reckon that it should satisfy the most deserving in those clubs.
Don't know where the figures came (or even if they are accurate) from but will definitely put some pressure on Mayo CB ( and indeed CBs in the future)to do likewise ( *if as I said these figures are not a spoof).
So there were 60,000 Donegal fans and only 20,000 Dubs at the match last year!!! :o
Are you seriously saying there was 30,000 Mayo fans at the game last Sunday???
Genuinely there was way more Donegal fans there last year than Mayo this year.
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 07, 2012, 05:32:30 PM
Won't lose sleep about the tickets for the final but there was at least imho twice as many Donegal fans at the semi final last year as were Mayo fans this year. Glad to see the amount of tickets each club in Donegal got as I reckon that it should satisfy the most deserving in those clubs.
Don't know where the figures came (or even if they are accurate) from but will definitely put some pressure on Mayo CB ( and indeed CBs in the future)to do likewise ( *if as I said these figures are not a spoof).
So there were 60,000 Donegal fans and only 20,000 Dubs at the match last year!!! :o
Are you seriously saying there was 30,000 Mayo fans at the game last Sunday???
Genuinely there was way more Donegal fans there last year than Mayo this year.
I have no doubht there was more, but
twice as many ???
Mayo crowd was 20-30k even at 20,000 your telling my 50% of the crowd V the Dubs last year was from Donegal! (You didn't notice us outside, because we were already in the stadium when most of the Dubs were still arriving, despite Dublin being in the minor match).
Donegal have big garish yellow yokes for jersies they are always going to stick out more, Mayo fans have to be loud to let you know we are there, and we always let ye know we are there ;)
I was at the dublin semi final last year, and apart from hill 16 there was at least 50% of the other 3 stands in donegal yellow. Granted they stick out more but i've never seen the dubs so close to being outnumbered, though armagh were close in 02.
Quote from: Orchardman on September 07, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
I was at the dublin semi final last year, and apart from hill 16 there was at least 50% of the other 3 stands in donegal yellow. Granted they stick out more but i've never seen the dubs so close to being outnumbered, though armagh were close in 02.
I'm sure we matched them in 2006
In fairness Donegal fans ye have your work cut out as the Mayo buckos were the loudest Ive heard in a long time, from their 1st point to there last they really got behind there team............ fair play to them
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Paddy swamped.
Ourselves are now following in Donegal's footsteps:
In advance of this years All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final the Mayo Senior Football team will be holding an open evening for all our supporters in Elverys MacHale Park next Friday 14th September between 6.30p.m. - 7.30p.m.
We will have a jam packed exciting evening for you the supporter where you can meet all our players and management as well as other exciting activities. Have your face painted in the county colours; meet our senior footballers. Get Autographs, jerseys signed etc.
We will have souvenir posters of the Mayo Senior Football Team squad available to purchase on the evening.
This open evening will only last for one hour and will finish at 7.30p.m. where supporters will be asked to vacate the pitch area as the team get down to their team training.
There will be no media interviews by players or management during this time.
This is an opportunity not to be missed and a memorable night will be had by all in attendance.
The evening kicks off at 6.30p.m. in Elverys MacHale Park, Castlebar.
this was in the 29/08/2012 ed. of gaelic life.
the donegal creed...
in the name of jim, rory and all of donegal. we believe in one goal, the sam, the almighty saviour who has been seen and hopefully will not go unseen. we believe in one man, jim, a son of tir chonaill, eternally begotten of the county board, game to game, win to win, true hero is our jim, begotten not made of one being of the county, through him the system was made. for us and our salvation he came down from glenties and by the power of charlie cannon he became manager. we were incarnated from john joe and became men. for our sake murphy was pulled from full forward, jim suffered greatly and was crucified by the pundits. on the third sunday he will climb the steps in accordance with the dreams of many. he will ascend into folklore and be seated at the right hand of mceniff.
we believe in colm anthony, the lord, the giver of scores who proceeds with his brother-in-laws along with murphy and mcglynn they are worshipped and glorified. he has spoken through his actions. we believe in one holy catholic paul durkan and his holey goal. we acknowledge in lacey and mchugh. we acknowledge the macgees and forgive their sins. we look forward to the return of sam to the hills and the biggest party in the county to come. in the name of jim, rory and all of donegal. amen.
The green and red of mayo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gFtZPt3MAIQ
Club Allocation in Mayo
16 Senior Clubs - 108 Tickets Each
16 Intermediate Clubs - 88 Tickets Each
19 Junior Clubs - 68 Tickets Each
Plus Club with Player on panel entitled to 10 extra tckets - roughly 350
Roughly 5000 to Clubs, if Mayo.Micks figures right Donegal Clubs got 12,000 tickets with 12 less clubs
That's only the first allocation to the clubs ... I know for example that there will be an extra 40 or so tickets to clubs that raise €2k. Unfortunate reality is that county board have to use this opportunity to raise as much money as possible.
Ah thats ok then. Clubs can go out and raise another 2k for the county board for the opportunity to buy 40 more tickets they should of got in the first place, on top of the 7500 they have to give for the county draw and 8000 in affiliatons.
Maybe ye should give up ye're place in the Final as a protest ;D
Between 210 and 220 people have names down for tickets in Knockmore alone. It's gonna be a nightmare sorting out who gets what.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 09, 2012, 03:15:07 PM
Ah thats ok then. Clubs can go out and raise another 2k for the county board for the opportunity to buy 40 more tickets they should of got in the first place, on top of the 7500 they have to give for the county draw and 8000 in affiliatons.
Yes, but reality is we are the most indebted county (board) in the country and if there is an opportunity to raise a few hundred grand in a multitude of different fundraisers between now and Xmas then that's what should be done.
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
as long as ye keep sending us top class players , we'll send ye top class tickets
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Got to feel sorry for roscommon, i think mayo have a great chance, in fact there best chance of AI ever, and if they do it, they have to bring sam through roscommon to get to mayo, God help ye, thank God i'll be 5000 miles away by that time, but on the other side if Donegal win jees would i be more than delighted to welcome them through my homeland of Cliffoney.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 10, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Got to feel sorry for roscommon, i think mayo have a great chance, in fact there best chance of AI ever, and if they do it, they have to bring sam through roscommon to get to mayo, God help ye, thank God i'll be 5000 miles away by that time, but on the other side if Donegal win jees would i be more than delighted to welcome them through my homeland of Cliffoney.
Yep, it'll really take the good out of the AI when we're not welcomed across the Shannon..through Termonbarry..Strokestown...Tulsk...Ballinagare and Frenchpark. Sure there is no point even going up...we're in for disappointment win or lose. ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 10, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 10, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Got to feel sorry for roscommon, i think mayo have a great chance, in fact there best chance of AI ever, and if they do it, they have to bring sam through roscommon to get to mayo, God help ye, thank God i'll be 5000 miles away by that time, but on the other side if Donegal win jees would i be more than delighted to welcome them through my homeland of Cliffoney.
Yep, it'll really take the good out of the AI when we're not welcomed across the Shannon..through Termonbarry..Strokestown...Tulsk...Ballinagare and Frenchpark. Sure there is no point even going up...we're in for disappointment win or lose. ::)
I expect ye'll be flying Sam to Knock if ye do the job ?
Anyway if ye do win and go home by Road I won't be going out in the cowld to look at ye passing through over the sacred soil.
I wonder could we get the Parades Commission form the 6 Cos. to give a ruling on this? ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on September 10, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 10, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Got to feel sorry for roscommon, i think mayo have a great chance, in fact there best chance of AI ever, and if they do it, they have to bring sam through roscommon to get to mayo, God help ye, thank God i'll be 5000 miles away by that time, but on the other side if Donegal win jees would i be more than delighted to welcome them through my homeland of Cliffoney.
Yep, it'll really take the good out of the AI when we're not welcomed across the Shannon..through Termonbarry..Strokestown...Tulsk...Ballinagare and Frenchpark. Sure there is no point even going up...we're in for disappointment win or lose. ::)
Western Gaels have been stockpiling traffic cones for the eventuality of a Mayo AI for years now. Best to buy some tracks for the team bus.
Good man Sligonian. I wouldn't really want Sligo to win Sam either. Oh wait 8)
Updated ticket info....
http://overthebs.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/any-tickets-mayo-clubs-to-receive-more-tickets-than-ever-before/
Two very likeable sets of supporters so I don't care who wins, just hoping its as good as the hurling was on Sunday.
Am I the only man in Mayo who is raging with our county board >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(. Sure they are in financial trouble, all of their own making may I add, but to screw every parent, school, charity and club in the run up to the final is absurd. I still don't know why the local and national media have not picked up on it.
Simple maths would show that Donegal County and it's clubs are going to receive far more tickets than Mayo??????? Is this fact or fiction or are the Mayo County Board playing silly beggars???? Either we get the same number of tickets as Donegal or we don't. Donegal County Board have been very transparent with their ticket allocation. In Mayo you would need the C.I.A. or should that be C.A.B. to investigate where all the tickets are going. Is it 8,000, 9,000, 10,000, 11,000.......14,0000 tickets that they have been allocated. How the hell do they expect Mayo G.A.A. folk to support them when they get screwed over at every opportunity.
Donegal clubs now know where they stand with tickets. At least they can inform those involved that they will or will not receive tickets this week. People in my own club won't know until the end of next week. Mayo clubs have to go off fundraising for the next 2 weeks and even then, they won't have a clue what their final allocation will be. SHAME on the Mayo County Board...........you have let your people down rotten on this, as on other occasions......
Green and Red day in schools next Friday 2 euro per child..........instead of for a worthwhile charity............
Want an All Ireland ticket from your local club, where you have been a life long member, and have trained countless teams, then buy or sell 60 euros plus worth of tickets for what is really the county board to have the privilege of giving another 80 euro for a ticket.
Buy tickets in support of your local club only to find out that even the club was unaware that the money was going to go to the County Board........G** I could go on and on..........
Why all the secrecy.....are they ashamed of what they are doing or what they have done in the past???????
Cant ye go out in Knockmore and raise 2K for the County Board and buy 40 tickets for the privilege, if ye dont Ballina, Castlebar and Westport will get the tickets and they dont have to raise anything. Local Media wont expose this blatant screwing of the supporters for fear of being accused of disrupting team preparations. But the truth is Mayo Clubs will be getting it in the neck because the CB are holding back tickets to get every last cent out of supporters who are worried sick there wont be enough tickets.
We're trying to raise €2k in Knockmore...but sure it's ridiculous as if ballinaman's article proves to true that the top 5 in the county selling Co board tickets get an extra 50 each. €2k for an extra 40 tickets, and €2k for a corporate dinner as well. And that's alongside with buying the actual 50 tickets.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/09/09/donegal-gaa-county-board-ticket-allocations-for-all-ireland-final/
Wont help your humour
Quote from: southdown on September 11, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
Two very likeable sets of supporters
Pat Spillane might disagree. ;D
I think Mayo will do it. Horan is different. They are an improving team and he has the smarts.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 11, 2012, 07:26:22 PM
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/09/09/donegal-gaa-county-board-ticket-allocations-for-all-ireland-final/
Wont help your humour
No, but it's transparent at least.
If you were chairman or secretary of the Mayo county board, and thus have by and large inherited the huge debt, what would you do in this situation ? ..... use the fact that the county have got to an All-Ireland to try and maximise revenue ? or just distribute the tickets lock, stock and barrel to all the clubs with no strings attached.
I think it would be almost a dereliction of duty to not try and maximise revenue. Asking clubs to raise 2K for the option of securing 40 more tickets is significant but manageable. My club at home is a junior club and they will raise double 2K through raffle tickets and a social on Sat night .... so it is serving as a fund raising opportunity for the club too.
Incidentally, there are about 16K tickets listed on the Donegal website. Competing counties will get ~58K tickets (including minor teams) so Donegal are getting a lot more than what they have published on their website.
And finally, one consequence of the county boards approach i reckon is you will see more Mayo folk there then you otherwise might have at the game. I know my extended clan (12 of us at the semi) are having to be far more creative in the search for tickets this time round compared to any other All-Ireland cos of the uncertainty in getting tickets from the club. We'll get them as will many others. In the meantime the tickets will filter through in the clubs meaning more in total for Mayo supporters imo ! Bottom line will be that ultimately those that deserve tickets will get them ... as usual.
Quote from: blast05 on September 11, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
If you were chairman or secretary of the Mayo county board, and thus have by and large inherited the huge debt, what would you do in this situation ? ..... use the fact that the county have got to an All-Ireland to try and maximise revenue ? or just distribute the tickets lock, stock and barrel to all the clubs with no strings attached.
I think it would be almost a dereliction of duty to not try and maximise revenue. Asking clubs to raise 2K for the option of securing 40 more tickets is significant but manageable. My club at home is a junior club and they will raise double 2K through raffle tickets and a social on Sat night .... so it is serving as a fund raising opportunity for the club too.
Incidentally, there are about 16K tickets listed on the Donegal website. Competing counties will get ~58K tickets (including minor teams) so Donegal are getting a lot more than what they have published on their website.
And finally, one consequence of the county boards approach i reckon is you will see more Mayo folk there then you otherwise might have at the game. I know my extended clan (12 of us at the semi) are having to be far more creative in the search for tickets this time round compared to any other All-Ireland cos of the uncertainty in getting tickets from the club. We'll get them as will many others. In the meantime the tickets will filter through in the clubs meaning more in total for Mayo supporters imo ! Bottom line will be that ultimately those that deserve tickets will get them ... as usual.
They should be truthful and honest with the rest of us and no more. Is that too much to ask?
If you are right then the situation is far more serious than I envisaged at first. The question remains, how many tickets did Mayo get and who is getting what?????? Leaks to the press says between 8,000 and 10,000 which is vague to say the least. If Donegal CB knows, then Mayo CB knows so why all the lies, deceit or secrecy??????? You reckon it's 16,000. At the moment the figures don't just stack up. The don't even nearly stack up.
Take my own club Knockmore for example. They have enormous debt after adding 2 new pitches and a new centre with numerous new changing rooms etc. They would be far better served clearing their own debt before trying to pay for the big white elephant in Castlebar. You can only go to the well so many times when you are fundraising. The hundreds of kids and families that use the facilities in Knockmore like in every other club across the country are better served by getting there own house in order first.
If the County Board think that short term gain is the way to go then they they are been very short sighted. The long term prognosis for such thinking is not good, it's not good at all. I have always bought the annual ticket as have numerous members of my clan, never again I'm afraid.
I'm missing something .... if you have an annual ticket then doesn't that entitle you to buy a ticket for the final ? So whats your issue ?
Quote from: blast05 on September 11, 2012, 11:17:31 PM
I'm missing something .... if you have an annual ticket then doesn't that entitle you to buy a ticket for the final ? So whats your issue ?
This is county board development tickets.
My individual situation doesn't come into it at all. Don't think I was giving that impression. Likewise, I have not got a clue who is on our County Board so it's not a vendetta against anyone...... Like you, tickets will be got from all sources and where there is a will there is a way.
I have explained my point of view to the best of my ability in 2 posts. I thought I had made my thoughts fairly clear. Every one that I have spoken to during the past week have also questioned the CB's approach and that's putting it mildly. I have got it off my chest at this stage so it's for others to judge in time if fairness prevails. I appreciate your point of view while not agreeing with it.
Donegal county board got 14500 tickets from there first allocation just like the article above said ad I would of thought the gaa would be giving something similar to mayo 8000-10000 seems rather low compared to our allocation. Of that 14500 tickets clubs received roughly 12700 tickets
The towns and Villages in Mayo are gradually beginning to put up the Good Luck Signs, Bunting and Flags! In the interest of Hype containment many have held back until now and some are waiting until the weekend. I know hype is often blamed on Mayo past performances in AI Finals. But i must say the buzz is beginning to kick in and it is rather enjoyable. God knows we have had more than our fair share of Finals in the past 15 years and each one was special (leading up to it at least). There is a waiting in the long grass (probably because the weather was so bad that feck all Silage or Hay was saved) in Mayo this year, nobody is giving us a chance. (No offence intended to our Neighbours but) If Galway had reached an AI Final beating reigning AI Champions Dublin, Down and winning Connacht two years in a row, as well as Beating Kerry earlier in a League semi in Croker and Beating reigning AI Champions Cork last year. Actually if Donegal had done the same, we'd hear the same value put on their successes as they are presently getting. I suppose what has people thinking Mayo will be a push over is their performance in last years AI Semi v Kerry and this years League Final v Cork where on both occasions they were seriously outclassed! Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions. Anyway have to go out to put up Bunting. Come on Mayo
Sorry to pee on the yerra liteing coming from Mayo but having watched both teams I am convinced that Mayo will win on Sunday week and quiet convincingly at that.
Quote from: Canalman on September 13, 2012, 04:30:52 PM
Sorry to pee on the yerra liteing coming from Mayo but having watched both teams I am convinced that Mayo will win on Sunday week and quiet convincingly at that.
I love it! :)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
The towns and Villages in Mayo are gradually beginning to put up the Good Luck Signs, Bunting and Flags! In the interest of Hype containment many have held back until now and some are waiting until the weekend. I know hype is often blamed on Mayo past performances in AI Finals. But i must say the buzz is beginning to kick in and it is rather enjoyable. God knows we have had more than our fair share of Finals in the past 15 years and each one was special (leading up to it at least). There is a waiting in the long grass (probably because the weather was so bad that feck all Silage or Hay was saved) in Mayo this year, nobody is giving us a chance. (No offence intended to our Neighbours but) If Galway had reached an AI Final beating reigning AI Champions Dublin, Down and winning Connacht two years in a row, as well as Beating Kerry earlier in a League semi in Croker and Beating reigning AI Champions Cork last year. Actually if Donegal had done the same, we'd hear the same value put on their successes as they are presently getting. I suppose what has people thinking Mayo will be a push over is their performance in last years AI Semi v Kerry and this years League Final v Cork where on both occasions they were seriously outclassed! Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions. Anyway have to go out to put up Bunting. Come on Mayo
jesus bunker ur really grabbing the straws there lad, was the mayo semi final a week after the donegal one last year? i cant remember, but donegal were beat by a point by the champs, kerry had mayo beat with 20 mins to go last year
Quote from: Orchardman on September 13, 2012, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
The towns and Villages in Mayo are gradually beginning to put up the Good Luck Signs, Bunting and Flags! In the interest of Hype containment many have held back until now and some are waiting until the weekend. I know hype is often blamed on Mayo past performances in AI Finals. But i must say the buzz is beginning to kick in and it is rather enjoyable. God knows we have had more than our fair share of Finals in the past 15 years and each one was special (leading up to it at least). There is a waiting in the long grass (probably because the weather was so bad that feck all Silage or Hay was saved) in Mayo this year, nobody is giving us a chance. (No offence intended to our Neighbours but) If Galway had reached an AI Final beating reigning AI Champions Dublin, Down and winning Connacht two years in a row, as well as Beating Kerry earlier in a League semi in Croker and Beating reigning AI Champions Cork last year. Actually if Donegal had done the same, we'd hear the same value put on their successes as they are presently getting. I suppose what has people thinking Mayo will be a push over is their performance in last years AI Semi v Kerry and this years League Final v Cork where on both occasions they were seriously outclassed! Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions. Anyway have to go out to put up Bunting. Come on Mayo
jesus bunker ur really grabbing the straws there lad, was the mayo semi final a week after the donegal one last year? i cant remember, but donegal were beat by a point by the champs, kerry had mayo beat with 20 mins to go last year
And here was me thinking last year was history. ::)
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
Spake for yourself horse.
Sorry but
Bredaghg GAC are running a draw for 2 AI football or hurling final tickets, tickets cost £5. details at http://www.bredaghgac.com/ (http://www.bredaghgac.com/) or http://www.myclubfinances.com/tickets.asp?LL_ID=499&CLB=1 (http://www.myclubfinances.com/tickets.asp?LL_ID=499&CLB=1)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
The towns and Villages in Mayo are gradually beginning to put up the Good Luck Signs, Bunting and Flags! In the interest of Hype containment many have held back until now and some are waiting until the weekend. I know hype is often blamed on Mayo past performances in AI Finals. But i must say the buzz is beginning to kick in and it is rather enjoyable. God knows we have had more than our fair share of Finals in the past 15 years and each one was special (leading up to it at least). There is a waiting in the long grass (probably because the weather was so bad that feck all Silage or Hay was saved) in Mayo this year, nobody is giving us a chance. (No offence intended to our Neighbours but) If Galway had reached an AI Final beating reigning AI Champions Dublin, Down and winning Connacht two years in a row, as well as Beating Kerry earlier in a League semi in Croker and Beating reigning AI Champions Cork last year. Actually if Donegal had done the same, we'd hear the same value put on their successes as they are presently getting. I suppose what has people thinking Mayo will be a push over is their performance in last years AI Semi v Kerry and this years League Final v Cork where on both occasions they were seriously outclassed! Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions. Anyway have to go out to put up Bunting. Come on Mayo
Been positively disgusted, dismayed and distraught by how many closeted Mayo supporters have announced themselves on my oul' cycle of the by-roads. Nearly fell off the cycle when I saw one house with a Donegal and a Mayo flag up. That'd be a fine house to be in right now.
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Heading to St Annes on the Saturday afternoon by public transport from Dublin centre. Anyone any idea of buses? - seems a good bit out of the town.
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
whoever 'you' is, is still right though. Look at the current Paddy Power odds below. Fairly damning for final with 2 new teams. And I expect that very few media punters will even tolerate Mayo. They ll be running away from us again like they were before the Dub match. So what? Doesn t bother me. At the end of the day players have to turn up and perform.
23rd Sep 2012 15:30 Donegal v Mayo
Live betting on this event Home 4/9 Draw15/2 Away5/2
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
But they aren't being given a chance. There's no harm in it. It's just the was the media have built Donegal up and put Mayo down so to speak. Not Donegal or Mayo's fault, they are just bystanders in the AI Final media circus.
Orchardman, When i said
''Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions.'' I meant that Mayo had beaten more respectable opposition in the Quarter final last year. I acknowledged that we were outclassed by Kerry in the semifinal. I'm not knocking Donegal, but they parked the Bus for the last half a hour against Dublin last year. Not scoring for the last 30 minutes and creating little or no chances during this period, with Dublin playing with 14 for the last 15 minutes. Donegal scored 6 points in that game!
Quote from: drici on September 13, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
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Heading to St Annes on the Saturday afternoon by public transport from Dublin centre. Anyone any idea of buses? - seems a good bit out of the town.
The 49 bus goes out that direction as far as Old Bawn drici.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2012, 10:50:17 PM
The 49 bus goes out that direction as far as Old Bawn drici.
GRMA. That'll do the job.
Quote from: Syferus on September 13, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
The towns and Villages in Mayo are gradually beginning to put up the Good Luck Signs, Bunting and Flags! In the interest of Hype containment many have held back until now and some are waiting until the weekend. I know hype is often blamed on Mayo past performances in AI Finals. But i must say the buzz is beginning to kick in and it is rather enjoyable. God knows we have had more than our fair share of Finals in the past 15 years and each one was special (leading up to it at least). There is a waiting in the long grass (probably because the weather was so bad that feck all Silage or Hay was saved) in Mayo this year, nobody is giving us a chance. (No offence intended to our Neighbours but) If Galway had reached an AI Final beating reigning AI Champions Dublin, Down and winning Connacht two years in a row, as well as Beating Kerry earlier in a League semi in Croker and Beating reigning AI Champions Cork last year. Actually if Donegal had done the same, we'd hear the same value put on their successes as they are presently getting. I suppose what has people thinking Mayo will be a push over is their performance in last years AI Semi v Kerry and this years League Final v Cork where on both occasions they were seriously outclassed! Only thing is that on both occasions they were further on than Donegal in both competitions. Anyway have to go out to put up Bunting. Come on Mayo
Been positively disgusted, dismayed and distraught by how many closeted Mayo supporters have announced themselves on my oul' cycle of the by-roads. Nearly fell off the cycle when I saw one house with a Donegal and a Mayo flag up. That'd be a fine house to be in right now.
That could very well be my house. I'll have the Mayo flag taken down to reduce the risk of cycling casualties.
Quote from: drici on September 13, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/341.jpg?t=1347571106)
Heading to St Annes on the Saturday afternoon by public transport from Dublin centre. Anyone any idea of buses? - seems a good bit out of the town.
I'll probably be there as well on Saturday afternoon, if you bring your boots I'll get you a game!
Has anyone else heard that the Donegal county board has sent out tickets for a draw with every all Ireland ticket to the clubs. Apparently the clubs have been told the have sell 1 raffle ticket per ticket or pa the fee for it e.g a levy don't think many club members are gonna be happy if they re charged 85-90 for their all Ireland ticket have given the county training fund enough support recently
QuoteApparently the clubs have been told the have sell 1 raffle ticket per ticket or pa the fee for it e.g a levy don't think many club members are gonna be happy if they re charged 85-90 for their all Ireland ticket have given the county training fund enough support recently
No. It would be better if Cork had beaten Donegal and saved everyone all this money.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 14, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
QuoteApparently the clubs have been told the have sell 1 raffle ticket per ticket or pa the fee for it e.g a levy don't think many club members are gonna be happy if they re charged 85-90 for their all Ireland ticket have given the county training fund enough support recently
No. It would be better if Cork had beaten Donegal and saved everyone all this money.
The fact is the ticket price is €80 a club member in mayo will pay that a club member in Donegal won't and it's put pressure on the clubs to sell these tickets every time someone refuses to buy the extra raffle ticket the club must pay the cc €5. M own club got 261 tickets so if no one will pay the extra €5 (which they don't have to) the club will be charged 1005 by the county board which is an unexpected levy which they will struggle to pay
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: drici on September 13, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
Heading to St Annes on the Saturday afternoon by public transport from Dublin centre. Anyone any idea of buses? - seems a good bit out of the town.
I'll probably be there as well on Saturday afternoon, if you bring your boots I'll get you a game!
I'd say he'd be as well to leave the boots and any other unnecessary luggage behind him.
While the 49 is the most convenient bus to take from the city centre, he'll still have over a mile of a walk to get to St Annes. (Use the Old Mill pub as the landmark to get off at Old Bawn.) The last bit is a fairly steep climb up from Bohernabreena Road to the club grounds.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 14, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: drici on September 13, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
Heading to St Annes on the Saturday afternoon by public transport from Dublin centre. Anyone any idea of buses? - seems a good bit out of the town.
I'll probably be there as well on Saturday afternoon, if you bring your boots I'll get you a game!
I'd say he'd be as well to leave the boots and any other unnecessary luggage behind him.
While the 49 is the most convenient bus to take from the city centre, he'll still have over a mile of a walk to get to St Annes. (Use the Old Mill pub as the landmark to get off at Old Bawn.) The last bit is a fairly steep climb up from Bohernabreena Road to the club grounds.
Only a 5 minute wander (at that) from the Old Mill pub to St Anne's grounds . Don't be scaring him about steep climbs and over a mile walks.
Anyone bored this afternoon - here is a good bit of what the indians call timepass
Mayo - Road To The 2012 Football Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qsj-bEFpg
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
The last bit is a fairly steep climb up from Bohernabreena Road to the club grounds.
Sure we'll hack the mile walk and the steep climb.
(http://isucceedbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Mountain-climbing.jpg)
St Annes is joining the All Ireland Weekend Celebrations by Hosting a Charity match between the 1992 Finalists Dublin and Donegal in Bohernabreena. 20 years on these 2 sides of 90's will battle it out for fun and for charity.
The Curtain Raiser to this game is St Annes over 35's team v Tir Na Nog of Armaghs over 35 side. The over 35's game will take place at 4.30pm before the real action get sunder way between Dublin and Donegal at 6.15pm.
Admission is €5 and under 16's are free of charge. All proceeds go to Our Ladys Childrens Hospital Crumlin. There will be great live music in the club afterwards for what should round of fantastic day in the club for all.
Should be a good evening's craic.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Updated ticket info....
http://overthebs.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/any-tickets-mayo-clubs-to-receive-more-tickets-than-ever-before/
Is that your blog a mhac?
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 14, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Updated ticket info....
http://overthebs.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/any-tickets-mayo-clubs-to-receive-more-tickets-than-ever-before/
Is that your blog a mhac?
Nope. (he hasn't the time to be writing blogs) ;)
Quote from: moysider on September 13, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
whoever 'you' is, is still right though. Look at the current Paddy Power odds below. Fairly damning for final with 2 new teams. And I expect that very few media punters will even tolerate Mayo. They ll be running away from us again like they were before the Dub match. So what? Doesn t bother me. At the end of the day players have to turn up and perform.
23rd Sep 2012 15:30 Donegal v Mayo
Live betting on this event Home 4/9 Draw15/2 Away5/2
Well it seems to bother a lot of your fellow countymen.
And since when did odds at the bookies mean a whole lot in terms of chances in one-off game?
Yes, most pundits are predicting a Donegal win so far. That doesn't mean they're writing Mayo off or dismissing their chances. As with ourselves against Cork and Kerry... most went for the two Munster counties when they had to call it beforehand, but they all reckoned we'd give it a good shot and not too many were shocked when we pulled it off.
This poor mouth shite is almost as bad as the ridiculous feigned outrage at the "presumptiousness" of Letterkenny CoC trying to hijack the Donegal homecoming. Completely unsincere!
So who's giving the poor mouth?
See a Mark McHugh interview here, his thoughts on '92, his da, his style of play & Mayo. Plus a wee bit from the Creggan Ulster U-21 tournament & the Donegal SFC. http://tinyurl.com/9d7jj3j (http://tinyurl.com/9d7jj3j)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 14, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Updated ticket info....
http://overthebs.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/any-tickets-mayo-clubs-to-receive-more-tickets-than-ever-before/
Is that your blog a mhac?
Nope. (he hasn't the time to be writing blogs) ;)
;)
Back down west this weekend to soak up a bit of the atmosphere. Nice bit of green and red out, no cows painted thankfully.
Had a gander into the Mayo Senior Football team open evening at the back of Elverys MacHale Park. Organisation was a bit all over the place. But the mood was good and the players very accommodating to all youngsters. Although these things are a hindrance to preparation, It is good for youngsters to mingle with their county hero's. Especially as most if not nearly all will only see the final on television.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Had a gander into the Mayo Senior Football team open evening at the back of Elverys MacHale Park. Organisation was a bit all over the place. But the mood was good and the players very accommodating to all youngsters. Although these things are a hindrance to preparation, It is good for youngsters to mingle with their county hero's. Especially as most if not nearly all will only see the final on television.
Were many people t this just trying to compare what the buildup is like between both counties knw my mayo friends in college say better atmosphere in Donegal than mayo ahead of the final
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Had a gander into the Mayo Senior Football team open evening at the back of Elverys MacHale Park. Organisation was a bit all over the place. But the mood was good and the players very accommodating to all youngsters. Although these things are a hindrance to preparation, It is good for youngsters to mingle with their county hero's. Especially as most if not nearly all will only see the final on television.
when did the nonsense about elverys mchale park start? Was the archbishop's first name elverys?
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
Quote from: donegal lad on September 14, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Had a gander into the Mayo Senior Football team open evening at the back of Elverys MacHale Park. Organisation was a bit all over the place. But the mood was good and the players very accommodating to all youngsters. Although these things are a hindrance to preparation, It is good for youngsters to mingle with their county hero's. Especially as most if not nearly all will only see the final on television.
Were many people t this just trying to compare what the buildup is like between both counties knw my mayo friends in college say better atmosphere in Donegal than mayo ahead of the final
Hard to tell, probably mostly from the local hinterland. I doubt many people travelled long distances. The crowd was young and for many this would be their first time being able to appreciate such an occasion.Unlike Donegal (who this is their first in a while) previous finals have depreciated the hype and the madness that used to go with us making an AI final. Still a good turnout of a couple a thousand (?)people.
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
every donegal person i've spoken with is worried about mayo and if we can do it, more worried than against kerry or cork even. the opinions stem from the hiding you gave dublin first half. we know we're up against a quality team who will be ravenous when that ball is thrown in regardless of what the pundits say. and actually, it doesn't matter what mayo fans think of their own team's chances, this mayo team is top drawer and we'll need to play at our best to be in with a shout. murphy needs to find his scoring boots again too if we're going to do it i think. i can barelt think about this feckin game i'm that worried.
Quote from: cadence on September 14, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
every donegal person i've spoken with is worried about mayo and if we can do it, more worried than against kerry or cork even. the opinions stem from the hiding you gave dublin first half. we know we're up against a quality team who will be ravenous when that ball is thrown in regardless of what the pundits say. and actually, it doesn't matter what mayo fans think of their own team's chances, this mayo team is top drawer and we'll need to play at our best to be in with a shout. murphy needs to find his scoring boots again too if we're going to do it i think. i can barelt think about this feckin game i'm that worried.
Imagine what you ll be like in a weeks time and 5 mins before throw-in ;)
I was at the hurling final last Sunday and even as a neutral ( who wanted the herrin chokers to win) I was ready to calf. I kept thinking 'what the f**k am I going to be like for the football'? knowing well what the answer is from past experiences. Torture isn t the word for it. I wonder sometimes if I d be better off going for a walk on Enniscrone beach and getting the result afterwards. I know a man did that for the 96 replay ( his doc warned him not to go cause the drawn game had played hell with his heartbeat). When he eventually heard the result of the replay he didn t speak to anybody for 3 weeks :o
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 14, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
every donegal person i've spoken with is worried about mayo and if we can do it, more worried than against kerry or cork even. the opinions stem from the hiding you gave dublin first half. we know we're up against a quality team who will be ravenous when that ball is thrown in regardless of what the pundits say. and actually, it doesn't matter what mayo fans think of their own team's chances, this mayo team is top drawer and we'll need to play at our best to be in with a shout. murphy needs to find his scoring boots again too if we're going to do it i think. i can barelt think about this feckin game i'm that worried.
Imagine what you ll be like in a weeks time and 5 mins before throw-in ;)
I was at the hurling final last Sunday and even as a neutral ( who wanted the herrin chokers to win) I was ready to calf. I kept thinking 'what the f**k am I going to be like for the football'? knowing well what the answer is from past experiences. Torture isn t the word for it. I wonder sometimes if I d be better off going for a walk on Enniscrone beach and getting the result afterwards. I know a man did that for the 96 replay ( his doc warned him not to go cause the drawn game had played hell with his heartbeat). When he eventually heard the result of the replay he didn t speak to anybody for 3 weeks :o
it's bad.
Rumours about that McGuinness has the Donegal boys atein metal.
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
I was at the hurling final last Sunday and even as a neutral ( who wanted the herrin chokers to win) I was ready to calf. I kept thinking 'what the f**k am I going to be like for the football'? knowing well what the answer is from past experiences. Torture isn t the word for it. I wonder sometimes if I d be better off going for a walk on Enniscrone beach and getting the result afterwards. I know a man did that for the 96 replay ( his doc warned him not to go cause the drawn game had played hell with his heartbeat). When he eventually heard the result of the replay he didn t speak to anybody for 3 weeks :o
I have often felt pressure watching a game. But i'd never avoid watching a match. Jez it kills me if a game is not televised and i have to listen to it on the Radio, or worse still watch updates on Teletext.
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
I think you're seriously insulting the intelligence of the average GAA supporter by suggesting that Brolly or O'Rourke's opinions are taken as gospel, especially as Colm O'Rourke has got most big predictions wrong in his column this year and Brolly is seemingly fascinated and taken with what McGuinness has achieved in terms of turning Donegal into an apparently remorseless, albeit talented, Borg collective. Anyone who has watched them can see that this is a serious Mayo team. Last year alone should have shown that (although I do remember some of your fellow members doing their nut, on this very board, about Horan after the league game in Ballyshannon earlier this year!).
I did read Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh somewhere this week giving Mayo an excellent chance, if that's any consolation. But just what do Mayo people want? That they be considered favourites? That the game is considered too close to call? Has anyone actually said that this will be a stroll for Donegal?
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:36:39 PM
So who's giving the poor mouth?
Ok, poor choice of words maybe. More "woe are we, nobody rates us!" nonsense.
It s hardly nonsense when its obviously true!
In the second semi the refs final whistle was hardly dry when Colm O Rourke proclaimed Donegal practically unbeatable. Brolly announced Donegal the real winner that day. Would those 2 have been as dismissive if it was Dublin, Cork, Kerry or even other counties that cant even make finals these days that were going to be playing Donegal? Not a chance.
Seeing these guys inform public opinion in the main then very few people will 'rate' Mayo. More informed public opinion (minority that know the game and think for themselves) will give Mayo a chance but they ll be in a small minority I suspect.
I d say that some Mayo people are annoyed by this lack of rating because it really translates into a lack of respect for football in the county. Personally it doesn t bother me and to be honest I can understand how this attitude has developed over the years. But to say that this is poor mouth or woe is nonesense. Anyway I wouldn t be bothered about our state of mind down here or the fact that the county is less than ecstatic about the final with 9 days to go. Enjoy the build up and the game.
I think you're seriously insulting the intelligence of the average GAA supporter by suggesting that Brolly or O'Rourke's opinions are taken as gospel, especially as Colm O'Rourke has got most big predictions wrong in his column this year and Brolly is seemingly fascinated and taken with what McGuinness has achieved in terms of turning Donegal into an apparently remorseless, albeit talented, Borg collective. Anyone who has watched them can see that this is a serious Mayo team. Last year alone should have shown that (although I do remember some of your fellow members doing their nut, on this very board, about Horan after the league game in Ballyshannon earlier this year!).
I did read Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh somewhere this week giving Mayo an excellent chance, if that's any consolation. But just what do Mayo people want? That they be considered favourites? That the game is considered too close to call? Has anyone actually said that this will be a stroll for Donegal?
Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh is a gentleman and never puts down any team. I would take that comment with a pich of salt. Mícheál would say the same of any team, it's just not in his nature to be harsh.
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
You were at a shite game 20 years ago. Sh#te happens. If you have no interest in the result of the game. What the hell are you doing here commenting on it? Feck off back to watching The Late Late Show!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 14, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Updated ticket info....
http://overthebs.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/any-tickets-mayo-clubs-to-receive-more-tickets-than-ever-before/
Is that your blog a mhac?
Nope. (he hasn't the time to be writing blogs) ;)
Maybe he hasn't but then again he might- if you follow me. ;D
There are a few turns of phrase in that blog that makes me think ballinaman has more time to spare than he lets on about or maybe he's just a very fast writer.
To be serious, I like what I've read so far on this blog. Damn good analyst and puts points across cogently whoever writes it. Never heard of this one before but I'll be back.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
that has got to be the stupidest post of the year.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
The strangest post I've read in a long time, care to enlighten us as to why you posted such pointless rubbish? I was at that game too btw and it was awful.
On the thread and game, I think some of the Mayo boys are being more than a bit sensitive about Donegal's favouritism. I think Mayo have a decent chance and I've been impressed by there evolution into a genuine modern football force but there are obvious reasons to favour Donegal and I don't see any reason why a Mayo man would feel aggrieved by this.
Opinions don't matter, between now and throw in to we can all natter away and pretend we know it all. 70 minutes will decide this and once it's over we can all use hindsight to try and make out some of what we said before the game was intelligent.
To all the Mayo and Donegal folk, I say enjoy it as many of us will never get to experience it.
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
:o,Are you unit No2 of the Aontroim android confederation?,stunningly banal,you obviously dropped one of your knittin needles thus freeing a hand for that baloney,pick the needle back up and get back to production of your fifteenth Tam o Shanter of the week.jesus :o
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 10, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
It's fierce kind of ye to send so many AI tickets to us Rossies in Ballagh, though.
I would hope that no true Rossie in Ballagh would touch one of those tickets. >:(
Leave the traitors to enjoy their lick arsin :-*
Got to feel sorry for roscommon, i think mayo have a great chance, in fact there best chance of AI ever, and if they do it, they have to bring sam through roscommon to get to mayo, God help ye, thank God i'll be 5000 miles away by that time, but on the other side if Donegal win jees would i be more than delighted to welcome them through my homeland of Cliffoney.
Another delight from the sligo institute of lower technology,5000 miles is not enough,keep goin,Mayo boys will tell ya when ta stop :)and we,re talkin an integalactic journey at that
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
I do. I think this is the year.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
Quote from: J70 on September 14, 2012, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 13, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Will you stop with the "no one is giving us a chance" whinging. You're impressing no one.
whoever 'you' is, is still right though. Look at the current Paddy Power odds below. Fairly damning for final with 2 new teams. And I expect that very few media punters will even tolerate Mayo. They ll be running away from us again like they were before the Dub match. So what? Doesn t bother me. At the end of the day players have to turn up and perform.
23rd Sep 2012 15:30 Donegal v Mayo
Live betting on this event Home 4/9 Draw15/2 Away5/2
Well it seems to bother a lot of your fellow countymen.
And since when did odds at the bookies mean a whole lot in terms of chances in one-off game?
Yes, most pundits are predicting a Donegal win so far. That doesn't mean they're writing Mayo off or dismissing their chances. As with ourselves against Cork and Kerry... most went for the two Munster counties when they had to call it beforehand, but they all reckoned we'd give it a good shot and not too many were shocked when we pulled it off.
This poor mouth shite is almost as bad as the ridiculous feigned outrage at the "presumptiousness" of Letterkenny CoC trying to hijack the Donegal homecoming. Completely unsincere!
calm bull ...CALM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
What a sad bitter post-Give me Troika,Austerity etc any day
instead of listening to shite like this.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
That's great altogether.
Rory Gallagher's YouTube sensation 'Jimmy's Winning Matches' will have to be performed solo on tour this week after his sidekick 'Jimmy' failed to get a visa to enter Ireland in time.
Former Revs frontman Gallagher, a native of Kilcar, Co Donegal, posted a song on the video-sharing website last month after his native county defeated Kerry 1-12 to 1-10 in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
Gallagher, a resident musician in Lanzarote, was joined for the song by a Senegalese native, nicknamed 'Jimmy Barry Murphy' after the Cork hurling manager, who portrayed an uncanny knack of naming a host of towns and villages from the four All-Ireland semi-finalists, Donegal, Dublin, Cork and Mayo.
Gallagher admitted the video was posted for fun but its popularity soared when it was shared on social networks Facebook and Twitter by Donegal players Mark McHugh and Paddy McBrearty, who are also from Kilcar.
In just over a month, the video has 335,000 YouTube hits, as well reaching number one in the Irish iTunes rock charts.
Gallagher has a number of stops in his native county this week on tour, as well as being Donegal's musical representative on RTE's pre-All-Ireland final show next Saturday, 'Up for the Match.'
Operating under the stage name 'Rory and the Island,' Gallagher will also perform live gigs next Saturday and Sunday in Dtwo NightClub, part of the Donegal-owned Harcourt Hotel in Dublin.
Should Jim McGuinness's side defeat Mayo in the All-Ireland final on Sunday week, Gallagher will also play at the team's post-match banquet in the Burlington Hotel, which will be screened live on 'The Sunday Game.'
Gallagher had hoped 'Jimmy' would be able to join him for the tour. But despite the assistance of North-West MEP Pat 'the Cope' Gallagher, his friend was unable to get a visa ahead of the final at such short notice, although he could make the trip next month.
"After lengthy discussions with Pat the Cope, unfortunately with the time frame being too short it was not possible to obtain a visa in time for Senegal Jimmy to come to Ireland next week," Gallagher said.
"Jimmy flew to Madrid to the Embassy of Senegal in hope of being able to do the paperwork from there but was advised he has to return to Senegal to obtain the visa required. Jimmy hopes to get to Donegal by mid-October and hopefully the celebration might be still going!
"I am totally gutted but would like to thank Pat the Cope for all the effort and everything would have been fine on the Irish side but unfortunately red tape wins again! I hope everybody will scream Jimmy's reply lines at the gigs next week, but I still say we should sneak him on a fishing boat into Killybegs under a blanket!"
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
If you don't want those two tickets, can I have them please? DM me - I'll drive up and everything, no bother. Just give me a shout.
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
Not one person i talked to from outside Mayo (and i've been contacted by a few) thought there was even a chance that Mayo would win. Donegal are seen as invincible at this stage and Mayo are seen as the team that fall on their arse in Croker finals. Although the Mayo bit is true cos we have been alot of relatively recent AI Finals and fell on our arse. The Donegal bit of the statement is a bit of a hyperbole. In Donegals main games they have beaten Tyrone by 2, Kerry by 2 and Cork by 2 in all games they faded with the end line near. Mayo have had no test this year really bar the last 20 minutes against Dublin, where the old short comings
seemed to appear. Leitrim, Down and lesser degree Sligo were run outs. The Gas thing is that if Mayo win an AI this year, it will be seen as a handy one with them not having to play Roscommon, Galway,(Traditional neminisis in Connacht) Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Cork and Kerry (Modern traditional heavyweights). As with Mayo in the past , Donegal will be re-consigned to their own mantle should they not win.
Interesting insights from Jim McGuinness in today's Irish Times from an interview with Keith Duggan
Successive wins over Kerry and Cork has led to quick revisionism and a rush of compliments that are as exaggerated as the original criticism. McGuinness was largely unbothered by the criticism and he hasn't paid much heed to the praise either. Instead, he just concentrates on improving himself as a coach and his analysis of Mayo's semi-final win over Dublin offers a glimpse into how he sees and reads the game.
"Mayo moved the ball very early into the full-forward line. They seemed to play on the shoulder of the full backs. They delivered a lot of ball in over the top of the full backs into the corners. It was a different thing for Dublin. Rory O'Carroll and Michael Fitzsimons and these boys would normally play on the front foot: they deny the ball.
"But the quality of the ball in over the top meant they were caught a few times. Mayo were very big and strong around the middle of the park. They've good kickers. Even when the game was tight, they didn't go lateral: they continued to look for that 40-yard pass, so they are coached to be positive.
"And you'd have to give James Horan a lot of credit as well: he took Dublin on. He took them on in the kick outs. The full backs took the Dublin forwards on. It was three versus three a lot of the time. He showed faith in his men to do that job and they didn't shirk that responsibility.
"There were one or two goal chances for Dublin but for 70 minutes, they eyeballed them and got over the line. For me, in an apprehensive way, I was watching in the first half and I was thinking: Jesus, these boys are unplayable. Because there was a period there and it didn't matter if it was Donegal or Cork or Dublin or Kerry: Mayo were unplayable in the way they moved the ball early and direct and the accuracy of their shooting from outside the scoring range.
"So I was glad to see a drop off for a period because if that was over 70 minutes I think it would have been one of the greatest ever performances in Croke Park, being honest with you."
But by then, optimism in Donegal was tilting towards outright delirium.
The nonsense row about the homecoming parade illustrated just how feverish the expectation had become. People were talking about the All-Ireland final as if it was a formality: they had begun to absorb and believe the line that Donegal were 'unbeatable'. McGuinness knows that this loose talk is out there but he believes it is irrelevant.
"You can't control that. People in Donegal are on a high and you can't control that. You can't control that everyone thinks we are going to win the All-Ireland and Mayo hasn't a chance. The same in Mayo: you can't control that everyone there thinks Mayo will win and Donegal hasn't a chance. That is the job of a supporter, almost.
"For us, it is a different job. I don't know what James Horan is thinking at this moment in time and I'm hoping he doesn't know what I'm thinking. I don't believe our fellas will be apprehensive. Their focus is on tasks and goals.
"I think where you would get nervous would be if, as a player, you removed yourself from that and you put yourself in a situation where you are thinking: 'This is an All-Ireland final! I've never played in an All-Ireland before. I would love an All-Ireland medal! Jesus, the homecoming's going to be great if we can win it! Can you imagine Donegal Town? And I've got me cousin coming from America and it is going to be great to see him after the game!' . . . these are all things that mean nothing. Nothing!
"But if you hadn't got the other things to drive you and focus you, they could come into your thinking. But for us, the only thing our boys are focusing on is what we are coaching and working on and for that reason I have good faith that they will stick to the tried and tested. We have done that for two years and I don't see us changing for the final. I'm hoping!"
And he laughs.
See, this is new territory for McGuinness too. He has this saying: Every day is a school day.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
I feel your pain Saffron . I did the same as you when Antrim played in the hurling Final only difference was there was no gaa board to put up my comments can't recall exactly what i did that day probably footed some turf or something.
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
No. I can't construct any scenario that sees Mayo winning this.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 15, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
I feel your pain Saffron . I did the same as you when Antrim played in the hurling Final only difference was there was no gaa board to put up my comments can't recall exactly what i did that day probably footed some turf or something.
Jez Deel, you were footing turf very late in the year. Must have been a bad summer! ;) ;D
Quote from: Hardy on September 15, 2012, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
No. I can't construct any scenario that sees Mayo winning this.
Really Hardy. No scenario whatsoever. You think Mayo are that bad and Donegal are that good that you cant come up with something.
This is even worse then I taught. Does anyone want my ticket
Mind you I remember similar things said about the mighty Meath team who bate Kerry by 15 points in 2001
Quote from: criostlinn on September 15, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 15, 2012, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
No. I can't construct any scenario that sees Mayo winning this.
Really Hardy. No scenario whatsoever. You think Mayo are that bad and Donegal are that good that you cant come with something.
This is even worse then I taught. Does anyone want my ticket
Mind you I remember similar things said about the mighty Meath team who bate Kerry by 15 points in 2001
Yeah, remember that! Meath Hammered Kerry. Kerry only scored 1 pint in the second half, Mike Frank with a couple of minutes to go (five in all). Galway scraped past an average Derry team with a luck goal from Clancy (I think).
QuoteNot one person i talked to from outside Mayo (and i've been contacted by a few) thought there was even a chance that Mayo would win. Donegal are seen as invincible at this stage and Mayo are seen as the team that fall on their arse in Croker finals. Although the Mayo bit is true cos we have been alot of relatively recent AI Finals and fell on our arse. The Donegal bit of the statement is a bit of a hyperbole. In Donegals main games they have beaten Tyrone by 2, Kerry by 2 and Cork by 2 in all games they faded with the end line near. Mayo have had no test this year really bar the last 20 minutes against Dublin, where the old short comings seemed to appear. Leitrim, Down and lesser degree Sligo were run outs. The Gas thing is that if Mayo win an AI this year, it will be seen as a handy one with them not having to play Roscommon, Galway,(Traditional neminisis in Connacht) Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Cork and Kerry (Modern traditional heavyweights). As with Mayo in the past , Donegal will be re-consigned to their own mantle should they not win.
Agree with every bit of that. I'd also add that it is almost a replica of '98. The reason it's so similar to '98 is that Kildare beat Dublin, Meath and Kerry who were the previous 3 AI winners on route to the final and yet had no pedigree in finals and the public hyped them out of proportion.
Similarly Donegal have no pedigree with only one all ireland appearance and one win yet wikipedia seem to think they are the Barcelona of the GAA; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donegal_GAA
The media in general have them down as unbeatable and moreso due to the opposition they face, a similar trait to the '98 final were are few aul gaelgors from west of the shannon were going to try and usurp micko and the horsey empire.
Needless to say us Mayo's have chips so large on each shoulder the tie board scaffold holding the chips in place is starting to sway but the construction of those chips has come with experience and pedigree. We have lost plenty of finals but we have always come back for more. The thing is the losing period for Mayo has got shorter and shorter. Shur we only lost the semi final for 20 minutes or so and got it back together again in the end.
Not only do I think that we will win the final, i believe we will do it in style. Not that this will be proving anyone wrong that sided with a Donegal win, it will be more Mayo reaping a Harvest they have sowed in Croker that began in 1985.
That is ultimately the truth of the matter, which is probably a difficult truth for anyone outside the county of Mayo to comprehend. That's what makes the association so great.
I don't intend posting again until October; Prediction Mayo 3-17 - Donegal 1-11
p.s. best of luck to Donegal next year we will enjoy defending our title against such a great team ye were a great example of what can be achieved in a county in such a short space of time.
Quote from: highorlow on September 15, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
QuoteNot one person i talked to from outside Mayo (and i've been contacted by a few) thought there was even a chance that Mayo would win. Donegal are seen as invincible at this stage and Mayo are seen as the team that fall on their arse in Croker finals. Although the Mayo bit is true cos we have been alot of relatively recent AI Finals and fell on our arse. The Donegal bit of the statement is a bit of a hyperbole. In Donegals main games they have beaten Tyrone by 2, Kerry by 2 and Cork by 2 in all games they faded with the end line near. Mayo have had no test this year really bar the last 20 minutes against Dublin, where the old short comings seemed to appear. Leitrim, Down and lesser degree Sligo were run outs. The Gas thing is that if Mayo win an AI this year, it will be seen as a handy one with them not having to play Roscommon, Galway,(Traditional neminisis in Connacht) Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Cork and Kerry (Modern traditional heavyweights). As with Mayo in the past , Donegal will be re-consigned to their own mantle should they not win.
Agree with every bit of that. I'd also add that it is almost a replica of '98. The reason it's so similar to '98 is that Kildare beat Dublin, Meath and Kerry who were the previous 3 AI winners on route to the final and yet had no pedigree in finals and the public hyped them out of proportion.
Similarly Donegal have no pedigree with only one all ireland appearance and one win yet wikipedia seem to think they are the Barcelona of the GAA; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donegal_GAA
The media in general have them down as unbeatable and moreso due to the opposition they face, a similar trait to the '98 final were are few aul gaelgors from west of the shannon were going to try and usurp micko and the horsey empire.
Needless to say us Mayo's have chips so large on each shoulder the tie board scaffold holding the chips in place is starting to sway but the construction of those chips has come with experience and pedigree. We have lost plenty of finals but we have always come back for more. The thing is the losing period for Mayo has got shorter and shorter. Shur we only lost the semi final for 20 minutes or so and got it back together again in the end.
Not only do I think that we will win the final, i believe we will do it in style. Not that this will be proving anyone wrong that sided with a Donegal win, it will be more Mayo reaping a Harvest they have sowed in Croker that began in 1985.
That is ultimately the truth of the matter, which is probably a difficult truth for anyone outside the county of Mayo to comprehend. That's what makes the association so great.
I don't intend posting again until October; Prediction Mayo 3-17 - Donegal 1-11
p.s. best of luck to Donegal next year we will enjoy defending our title against such a great team ye were a great example of what can be achieved in a county in such a short space of time.
if we don't defend properly, we could be on the end of a terrible hiding. i'm not so sure that the margin could be 12pts, but we'll need to have our work done on your attack to be in with a shout. def think we're up against it and mayo should be favs instead of us. best attack v best defence sort of a game.
Quote from: Hardy on September 15, 2012, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2012, 10:47:40 PM
Outside of Mayo and Donegal - do any posters here think Mayo will win this?
No. I can't construct any scenario that sees Mayo winning this.
Really, hardy? They are playing last year's beaten semifinalists, not barcelona.
WFT has some eejit comparing Donegal to Barcelona on Wikipedia got to do with anything remotely resembling serious analysis?!!
It is reminiscent of 2001 when meath were unbackable. Sure all they had to do was turn up.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
This shall be my only comment on this thread.
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I was offered two tickets anocht, turned them down. Won't be tuning in to watch her either. Good luck to those who do and to those competing, but life is too short.
No prediction will be offered. No interest in the outcome.
The strangest post I've read in a long time, care to enlighten us as to why you posted such pointless rubbish? I was at that game too btw and it was awful.
On the thread and game, I think some of the Mayo boys are being more than a bit sensitive about Donegal's favouritism. I think Mayo have a decent chance and I've been impressed by there evolution into a genuine modern football force but there are obvious reasons to favour Donegal and I don't see any reason why a Mayo man would feel aggrieved by this.
Opinions don't matter, between now and throw in to we can all natter away and pretend we know it all. 70 minutes will decide this and once it's over we can all use hindsight to try and make out some of what we said before the game was intelligent.
To all the Mayo and Donegal folk, I say enjoy it as many of us will never get to experience it.
Speak for yourself, win lose or draw we'll be back again. Sure we just see this as something that happens every 5 years or so! :P
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Speak for yourself, win lose or draw we'll be back again.
Aye, Saturday 6th October. Probably all head on the Friday and come back on the Sunday if it goes ahead.
Can any of the Mayoites then explain how you can win this?
Donegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field. If you deny any of those advantages for Donegal then ye are smoking something optimistic down there. I know there'll be 'disrespect' posted in response but it's not. Just my opinion which may be totally inaccurate in 8 days. I'll hold my hands up. I just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
There is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day. Perhaps big O'Shea will lord it on the biggest stage- play like he did as a minor and waltz around the Hills. Donegal chasing a game after a miraculous start by the Westerners? We don't really know how they'll react to a 4-5 point deficit in an AIF. Last year Tyrone led them 0-6 to 0-1 and Donegal were spinning. The referee's whistle saved them. McGuinness reminded them of their duties and they went out and strangled Tyrone, albeit with slight fortune and skulduggery.
Houl on, Mayo can do this. Up Mayo.
QuoteDonegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field.
Well done, local paper standard.
QuoteI just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
Excellent - national media for you now my friend.
QuoteThere is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day.
International Stuff. Right up with Joe and Pet. You forgot to mention Murphy may calf again on the big day?
Quotefortune and skulduggery
If that's what it takes we will take it.
p.s This is my last post before the game Prediction Mayo 3:18 Donegal 1:15
Can you not assemble some form of local/national/international defence as to how you envisage Mayo winning?
Quote from: highorlow on September 15, 2012, 11:55:57 PM
QuoteDonegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field.
Well done, local paper standard.
QuoteI just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
Excellent - national media for you now my friend.
QuoteThere is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day.
International Stuff. Right up with Joe and Pet. You forgot to mention Murphy may calf again on the big day?
Quotefortune and skulduggery
If that's what it takes we will take it.
p.s This is my last post before the game Prediction Mayo 3:18 Donegal 1:15
3:18?! Some drinking done the night. :o
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
Can any of the Mayoites then explain how you can win this?
The three good teams Donegal beat this year are three tired teams. Tyrone, Cork and Kerry have been to the well a few times. This will be the freshest team they have met. How about that one?
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
Donegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field.
Ah Donegal have good footballers, but so do Mayo. Alot of our good footballers especially the younger ones have had little or no media exposure, some could walk down a street in Mayo a barely get recognised. Mayo have had one high profile Match (v Dublin) where people really sat down to watch a full match. Where as Donegals games v Tyrone, Cork and Kerry were all high profile and made you more familiar with the Donegal stars. But just because you are familiar with players does not mean they are better than the ones you are not familiar with.
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
Musings of a Mayo Man.
The unrelenting gnawing knot in the base of my stomach can only mean one thing, game 5 and the final is 7 days away. The whole week is going to be consumed by thoughts and plans of the match; it'll be like a buzzing fly in my peripheral vision all week. I travelled home to this weekend to get a flavour of the atmosphere, maybe it's I'm a bit older than previous finals but the mood is quiet; "let's keep the hype for afterwards" one man put it. Our 6th 8) final in 23 years, what the boys in Cliffoney and Kiltoom would give for that?
The flags and bunting are up, the plans are being made; "what time are ye leaving? 7am....7am!?!....we're leaving a half 5, ah for jaysus sake, ye may as well hit the road tonight so" I heard yesterday. People are wary of daring to dream of a victory, once bitten, twice shy, "I cope with the despair, it's the hope that kills me" as John Cleese once put it. If I ever need a dose of reality, I just cast my mind back to the plodding walks up Clonliffe road feeling that my insides were after getting a Jimmy Burke- esque drop kick all the way to Fairview park. As much as the sniggering lads in the media would like it, the football won't stop in Mayo. I had to laugh at a Guinness billboard in the town last year, "This is Rugby Country". I don't think so Guinness, I don't think so.
McGuinness/Medusa and his team/tentacles are a different animal altogether this year. From the 50 minute mark onwards, they let you breathe out before squeezing the life out of you. I've closed the eyes a few times to picture the scene next Sunday. The program rolled up so tight in my hand I could use it to beat cattle down the road , heart at a steady 150Bpm throughout the match, a lateral hand pass intercepted by Lacey , the Donegal crowd erupts in one big wave as a flying V of over the should pop passes bare down on our backline. I'm anxious now, god help me then.
However, the world's smartest computers are liable to make a c**k up, systems fail and throw in a dollop of human nature and error, and the fact that we're not half bad either ourselves, jaysus, I don't know. The team and management have given everything for the cause so far and I don't see them stopping now. It could right down to the wire.
A few more things to do before I hit east again, visit the family plot to make sure the Green and Red is flying on the grave. Many the Mayo man and woman will be with us in spirit next Sunday. I know as Amhrán na bhFiann echoes around Croke Park, I'll tilt my head towards the sky, close my eyes and think of great men who wore the Green and Red both on the pitch and in the stands, and even my own grandfather.
Criost Linn.
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
Can any of the Mayoites then explain how you can win this?
Donegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field. If you deny any of those advantages for Donegal then ye are smoking something optimistic down there. I know there'll be 'disrespect' posted in response but it's not. Just my opinion which may be totally inaccurate in 8 days. I'll hold my hands up. I just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
There is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day. Perhaps big O'Shea will lord it on the biggest stage- play like he did as a minor and waltz around the Hills. Donegal chasing a game after a miraculous start by the Westerners? We don't really know how they'll react to a 4-5 point deficit in an AIF. Last year Tyrone led them 0-6 to 0-1 and Donegal were spinning. The referee's whistle saved them. McGuinness reminded them of their duties and they went out and strangled Tyrone, albeit with slight fortune and skulduggery.
Houl on, Mayo can do this. Up Mayo.
You not fed up of that yet? You've been trying since the semi-final v Dublin ended.
Bit pathetic to be honest, can you not find something productive to do?
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
Can any of the Mayoites then explain how you can win this?
Donegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field. If you deny any of those advantages for Donegal then ye are smoking something optimistic down there. I know there'll be 'disrespect' posted in response but it's not. Just my opinion which may be totally inaccurate in 8 days. I'll hold my hands up. I just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
There is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day. Perhaps big O'Shea will lord it on the biggest stage- play like he did as a minor and waltz around the Hills. Donegal chasing a game after a miraculous start by the Westerners? We don't really know how they'll react to a 4-5 point deficit in an AIF. Last year Tyrone led them 0-6 to 0-1 and Donegal were spinning. The referee's whistle saved them. McGuinness reminded them of their duties and they went out and strangled Tyrone, albeit with slight fortune and skulduggery.
Houl on, Mayo can do this. Up Mayo.
Lets deal with this "lazy" line "better footballers all over the field".....
KepperBoth decent no discernible difference.
Full BacksMost people would choose Higgins & McGlynn as their two corner backs.
Again Full back .. Cafferkey & McGee Both decent no discernible difference.
Half BacksKeegan Lacey & one other would be most people choice.
MidfieldBy far and away the best footballer here would be A o'Shea.
As a pairing Gallagher /O'Shea would be most people choice.
ForwardMurphy, McFadden, Dillon, McGloughin would be automatic ....(D'ont shout re McHugh as an ortodox half forward he would not be as good football wise as Dillon or McGloughin)
That leave one one full forward position .... Conroy would be the choice here i believe.
Finally who plays chf ..... again football wise i believe O'Connor has the most football ability to play here.
So looking at the above the comment "
Donegal .... have better footballers all over the field" is nonsense and it is lazy commentary.
I look forward to counter argument !!!!
I've put together a tactical profile of Donegal here for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6192
You're going down the route of orthodox footballers. You have to look at what makes a good inter-county player today. For me, a better footballer is someone who plays effectively.
I'm sorry. I'd have the whole Donegal full back line and half back line, in terms of what is required in the modern game. I think the Donegal half-back line have scored 2-18 as opposed to something like 0-6 for Mayo (figures not accurate). I know they're making up for the non-scoring forwards but, as you'll find out next week, you're going to need scorers outside 10-15. I also think Cafferkey is in for a torrid day. I thought Keegan was poor v Dublin.
As for O'Shea - whereas the Donegal midfield will put in a 75 minute shift, Aiden was a goner after 50 minutes v Dublin. Underestimate the Donegal midfield at your peril. Would I pick O'Shea over whatever pairing Donegal put out - no. You can be assured the Donegal 8&9 will do their job til the whistle goes. O'Shea is a hit and miss player.
I'll give you Dillon and O'Connor. That's it.
Just a quick reply here ...
" I thought Keegan was poor v Dublin" ... he played for 12 minutes !!!!
You wouldn't get a Donegal player playing badly for 5 minutes never mind 12.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 01:25:46 PM
You're going down the route of orthodox footballers. You have to look at what makes a good inter-county player today. For me, a better footballer is someone who plays effectively.
I'm sorry. I'd have the whole Donegal full back line and half back line, in terms of what is required in the modern game. I think the Donegal half-back line have scored 2-18 as opposed to something like 0-6 for Mayo (figures not accurate). I know they're making up for the non-scoring forwards but, as you'll find out next week, you're going to need scorers outside 10-15. I also think Cafferkey is in for a torrid day. I thought Keegan was poor v Dublin.
As for O'Shea - whereas the Donegal midfield will put in a 75 minute shift, Aiden was a goner after 50 minutes v Dublin. Underestimate the Donegal midfield at your peril. Would I pick O'Shea over whatever pairing Donegal put out - no. You can be assured the Donegal 8&9 will do their job til the whistle goes. O'Shea is a hit and miss player.
I'll give you Dillon and O'Connor. That's it.
I'm afraid your a little bit "donegal" tinted here in you assessment ...
K Higgins a better corner back the P McGrath.
L Keegan a better half back than McGee or Thomson
Re: O'Shea come back next Monday ... I think you may have to eat a little humble pie. He has the ability to dictate this game.
Re: Murphy v Caffrekey ... you may be correct here but it may not be One on One... ( system and all that !!!)
(Murphy would go to town on all full backs in a One on One including McGee )
Tell me this how will Karl Lacy cover both wings of croke parke as Dillon & McGloughin have the ability to go to town on donegals 2 wing half backs.
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2012, 01:04:40 PM
So looking at the above the comment "Donegal .... have better footballers all over the field" is nonsense and it is lazy commentary.
I look forward to counter argument !!!!
Not that I necessarily disagree but Donegal IMO have the better
team. They'll die for each other on the field and will run through brick walls for McGuinness. The only other team in gaelic football that I can compare them to is Crossmaglen. A handful of class acts with the rest solid footballers, all playing a system and playing it perfectly to a tee. Mayo near shite the nest again Dublin.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 01:25:46 PM
You're going down the route of orthodox footballers. You have to look at what makes a good inter-county player today. For me, a better footballer is someone who plays effectively.
I'm sorry. I'd have the whole Donegal full back line and half back line, in terms of what is required in the modern game. I think the Donegal half-back line have scored 2-18 as opposed to something like 0-6 for Mayo (figures not accurate). I know they're making up for the non-scoring forwards but, as you'll find out next week, you're going to need scorers outside 10-15. I also think Cafferkey is in for a torrid day. I thought Keegan was poor v Dublin.
As for O'Shea - whereas the Donegal midfield will put in a 75 minute shift, Aiden was a goner after 50 minutes v Dublin. Underestimate the Donegal midfield at your peril. Would I pick O'Shea over whatever pairing Donegal put out - no. You can be assured the Donegal 8&9 will do their job til the whistle goes. O'Shea is a hit and miss player.
I'll give you Dillon and O'Connor. That's it.
From your analysis you clearly do not know who Lee Keegan is? The lad only played 12/13 minutes and was taken off injured. So you more than likely are mixing him up with some one else. Which means that is two players you don't really know. which was my point earlier that this team is unknown!
That's orthodox thinking. As soon as Dillon touches leather he'll be breathing in the odour of 3 Donegal men. That's the way it is. The turnovers are demoralising.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 16, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
Musings of a Mayo Man.
The unrelenting gnawing knot in the base of my stomach can only mean one thing, game 5 and the final is 7 days away. The whole week is going to be consumed by thoughts and plans of the match; it'll be like a buzzing fly in my peripheral vision all week. I travelled home to this weekend to get a flavour of the atmosphere, maybe it's I'm a bit older than previous finals but the mood is quiet; "let's keep the hype for afterwards" one man put it. Our 5th final in 23 years, what the boys in Cliffoney and Kiltoom would give for that?
The flags and bunting are up, the plans are being made; "what time are ye leaving? 7am....7am!?!....we're leaving a half 5, ah for jaysus sake, ye may as well hit the road tonight so" I heard yesterday. People are wary of daring to dream of a victory, once bitten, twice shy, "I cope with the despair, it's the hope that kills me" as John Cleese once put it. If I ever need a dose of reality, I just cast my mind back to the plodding walks up Clonliffe road feeling that my insides were after getting a Jimmy Burke- esque drop kick all the way to Fairview park. As much as the sniggering lads in the media would like it, the football won't stop in Mayo. I had to laugh at a Guinness billboard in the town last year, "This is Rugby Country". I don't think so Guinness, I don't think so.
McGuinness/Medusa and his team/tentacles are a different animal altogether this year. From the 50 minute mark onwards, they let you breathe out before squeezing the life out of you. I've closed the eyes a few times to picture the scene next Sunday. The program rolled up so tight in my hand I could use it to beat cattle down the road , heart at a steady 150Bpm throughout the match, a lateral hand pass intercepted by Lacey , the Donegal crowd erupts in one big wave as a flying V of over the should pop passes bare down on our backline. I'm anxious now, god help me then.
However, the world's smartest computers are liable to make a c**k up, systems fail and throw in a dollop of human nature and error, and the fact that we're not half bad either ourselves, jaysus, I don't know. The team and management have given everything for the cause so far and I don't see them stopping now. It could right down to the wire.
A few more things to do before I hit east again, visit the family plot to make sure the Green and Red is flying on the grave. Many the Mayo man and woman will be with us in spirit next Sunday. I know as Amhrán na bhFiann echoes around Croke Park, I'll tilt my head towards the sky, close my eyes and think of great men who wore the Green and Red both on the pitch and in the stands, and even my own grandfather.
Criost Linn.
Emotional stuff Ballinaman.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 16, 2012, 01:14:20 PM
I've put together a tactical profile of Donegal here for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6192
nice one emmet... looking forward to the mayo one and the preview too.
Cheers Cadence. Yeah it's a busy stretch this time of year. Lots of previews and finishing the book.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 16, 2012, 02:25:49 PM
Cheers Cadence. Yeah it's a busy stretch this time of year. Lots of previews and finishing the book.
i saw that you were writing the book... if you don't mind, post a link on here when it's done please.
Congrats on the nomination for the Irish Blog Awards too.
Cheers ONeill. And cadence, I'll post for sure when the book is out.
Yeah, Donegal do seem to be the favourites. But for me this Mayo team are good. Everyone has mentioned everyone except Kevin McLoughlin. As for AOS been a hit and miss player, well he has only regained his fitness for the last match and was harrying and hassling all the time. I'm too nervous now to write anything. I probably will be too nervous all week. I'm in knots now typing this, but, but, but...I'm not playing. I'm merely an anonymous keyboard warrior, ready to get stuck in next Sunday. I hope Cian O'Neill has us hardened and ready for this 'unstoppable Donegal juggernaut'. I hope Kieran Shannon has the minds ready and in place for this 'unstoppable Donegal juggernaut'. I hope too that the players can go out and do themselves justice. If we get beaten, it will be by 1/2 points. If we win it will be the same.
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 16, 2012, 01:35:49 PM
Just a quick reply here ...
" I thought Keegan was poor v Dublin" ... he played for 12 minutes !!!!
;DNice one kimosabe but ya shouldnt have told him,a tony blair in a hole keep diggin kinda thing is o neil,readn this board for eight years,o neils opinion(17000+),useless! ;D.
Jokin big O.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2012, 04:58:33 PM
Yeah, Donegal do seem to be the favourites. But for me this Mayo team are good. Everyone has mentioned everyone except Kevin McLoughlin. As for AOS been a hit and miss player, well he has only regained his fitness for the last match and was harrying and hassling all the time. I'm too nervous now to write anything. I probably will be too nervous all week. I'm in knots now typing this, but, but, but...I'm not playing. I'm merely an anonymous keyboard warrior, ready to get stuck in next Sunday. I hope Cian O'Neill has us hardened and ready for this 'unstoppable Donegal juggernaut'. I hope Kieran Shannon has the minds ready and in place for this 'unstoppable Donegal juggernaut'. I hope too that the players can go out and do themselves justice. If we get beaten, it will be by 1/2 points. If we win it will be the same.
Kevin being out injured was a major factor in our 20 minute slump v Dublin, vastly under-rated player.
Paddy Power has the handicap at 2 points. And that is about right.
I can see this week as being a very distracting one.
Quote from: cadence on September 16, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
Im gonna see and raise ya C,I,ll give ya four tickets for four bottles.
Bring a jumper!their for leabgarra ferry in 1st week a november.God damn Doney men and their mountain dew,the only thing worse than than postin drunk,is makin a solemn agreement with Tir Conallites in da same condition or callin yer wife at three in da mornin and tellin her yer late coz ya had to help robinhood or spiderman fight crime.Ach eist,your donegal agus mise mayo,the one thing we do well to world wide acclaim is dig tunnels,your 4buideals and my shovels, jones road midnight saturday 22,what says ya. ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on September 16, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
Musings of a Mayo Man.
The unrelenting gnawing knot in the base of my stomach can only mean one thing, game 5 and the final is 7 days away. The whole week is going to be consumed by thoughts and plans of the match; it'll be like a buzzing fly in my peripheral vision all week. I travelled home to this weekend to get a flavour of the atmosphere, maybe it's I'm a bit older than previous finals but the mood is quiet; "let's keep the hype for afterwards" one man put it. Our 5th final in 23 years, what the boys in Cliffoney and Kiltoom would give for that?
The flags and bunting are up, the plans are being made; "what time are ye leaving? 7am....7am!?!....we're leaving a half 5, ah for jaysus sake, ye may as well hit the road tonight so" I heard yesterday. People are wary of daring to dream of a victory, once bitten, twice shy, "I cope with the despair, it's the hope that kills me" as John Cleese once put it. If I ever need a dose of reality, I just cast my mind back to the plodding walks up Clonliffe road feeling that my insides were after getting a Jimmy Burke- esque drop kick all the way to Fairview park. As much as the sniggering lads in the media would like it, the football won't stop in Mayo. I had to laugh at a Guinness billboard in the town last year, "This is Rugby Country". I don't think so Guinness, I don't think so.
McGuinness/Medusa and his team/tentacles are a different animal altogether this year. From the 50 minute mark onwards, they let you breathe out before squeezing the life out of you. I've closed the eyes a few times to picture the scene next Sunday. The program rolled up so tight in my hand I could use it to beat cattle down the road , heart at a steady 150Bpm throughout the match, a lateral hand pass intercepted by Lacey , the Donegal crowd erupts in one big wave as a flying V of over the should pop passes bare down on our backline. I'm anxious now, god help me then.
However, the world's smartest computers are liable to make a c**k up, systems fail and throw in a dollop of human nature and error, and the fact that we're not half bad either ourselves, jaysus, I don't know. The team and management have given everything for the cause so far and I don't see them stopping now. It could right down to the wire.
A few more things to do before I hit east again, visit the family plot to make sure the Green and Red is flying on the grave. Many the Mayo man and woman will be with us in spirit next Sunday. I know as Amhrán na bhFiann echoes around Croke Park, I'll tilt my head towards the sky, close my eyes and think of great men who wore the Green and Red both on the pitch and in the stands, and even my own grandfather.
Criost Linn.
"Na man,butterflies.All in the same wee boat.Yer Ballina,get thick with it,and lead from the front.Mhuigheo con bua no bas.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 16, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
Im gonna see and raise ya C,I,ll give ya four tickets for four bottles.
Bring a jumper!their for leabgarra ferry in 1st week a november.God damn Doney men and their mountain dew,the only thing worse than than postin drunk,is makin a solemn agreement with Tir Conallites in da same condition or callin yer wife at three in da mornin and tellin her yer late coz ya had to help robinhood or spiderman fight crime.Ach eist,your donegal agus mise mayo,the one thing we do well to world wide acclaim is dig tunnels,your 4buideals and my shovels, jones road midnight saturday 22,what says ya. ;D
;D
i don't fly in until sunday morning, but if you get her started i'll bring the air spade and a muck board and we'll skip the breakfast and horse into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsko1YqkM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 16, 2012, 04:52:56 PM
Cheers ONeill. And cadence, I'll post for sure when the book is out.
Whatever about the book emmet,I,ve enjoyed your analysis,and hope ya stay with us for many a game more 8)
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Whatever about the book emmet,I,ve enjoyed your analysis,and hope ya stay with us for many a game more 8)
Thanks chief, I plan on hitting the road for some county finals next month.
Has anyone else seen the big sign erected outside Ballyvary by a company who i won't name??
In big lettering, it welcomes Sam home to Mayo. Do these people ever learn?...Surely that sign was time enough being erected next Sunday evening, if Mayo win, before Monday's homecoming.
I remember a similar sign being erected in the same village in 2006, and it wasn't long coming down afterwards.
As a Rossie living in Mayo, i think the Mayo public are adopting a more sensible, low key approach to this final. No doubt the result of having their hopes dashed so many times in the past. Plenty of flags going up, and banners wishing the team well, but the one i mentioned outside Ballyvary is downright stupid at this stage.
As for the game itself, i have the same feeling that i've had all year....this is Mayo's year. There's something different about them this year. They seem a more focused, steelier outfit..There are many players in it who might not be household names outside the county, but that could change next weekend.
I've been impressed by players like Kevin Keane and Lee Keegan in particular.
However, if they're to bridge that 61 year gap, they'll need to avoid a collapse like most of the second half against Dublin, plus the first half of the Connacht Final, when if memory serves me right, they only scored 3 points...That first half against Sligo wasn't a collapse as such, but saw Mayo very frustrated by the way Sligo swarmed around them.
The ability to beat Dublin without Andy Moran shows how far this Mayo team has come.
I reckon we won't see a classic in the final, and wouldn't be surprised if the game produces no goals. It will be an intense, dogged battle, and i believe that Mayo can win it, and will it on a scoreline of 0-14 to 0-12, because as i said, there's something different about Mayo this year.
Best of luck to them, and let's not hear anyone telling them to win it for Connacht or for the West, because when Mayo lost in 1989, 96, 97, 2004, 06, the rest of Connacht didn't feel the pain of it like Mayo did......Do it for yourselves lads.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Play as Dublin Played last Year .... Dublin won. The template is their... no need to reinvent the wheel !!!
And how did Dublin play last year tell me
Now Now ONeill .... you seem very knowledgeable regarding this Donegal team .... surely you have some idea as to how Dublin beat them.
I'll leave it up to you to tell us 8) :)
To pull you out of that hole - I'll explain. Donegal lost that game. Dublin didn't score from play until the 60th minute. Donegal's obsession with defensive tactics lost them the game. At 6-3 ahead in the second half they were home and dried only for first year naivety to play its part. Instead of killing their prey they sat on a lead.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 07:08:31 PM
To pull you out of that hole - I'll explain. Donegal lost that game. Dublin didn't score from play until the 60th minute. Donegal's obsession with defensive tactics lost them the game. At 6-3 ahead in the second half they were home and dried only for first year naivety to play its part. Instead of killing their prey they sat on a lead.
O'Neill to pull you out of Donegal hole .... McFadden & Murphy were held in the second half & has nothing else, maybe that's why they didn't win the game !!!
Anything could happen on the day the the ref could send off a few Donegal players, that type scenario would improve Mayo's chances.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
We have no key men . Donegal have no weaknesses . We have a chance of winning an All Ireland Cork , Kerry and Tyrone don't . We have larry reilly in the stand telling james what to do.
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 16, 2012, 06:39:59 PM
Has anyone else seen the big sign erected outside Ballyvary by a company who i won't name??
In big lettering, it welcomes Sam home to Mayo. Do these people ever learn?...Surely that sign was time enough being erected next Sunday evening, if Mayo win, before Monday's homecoming.
I remember a similar sign being erected in the same village in 2006, and it wasn't long coming down afterwards.
As a Rossie living in Mayo, i think the Mayo public are adopting a more sensible, low key approach to this final. No doubt the result of having their hopes dashed so many times in the past. Plenty of flags going up, and banners wishing the team well, but the one i mentioned outside Ballyvary is downright stupid at this stage.
As for the game itself, i have the same feeling that i've had all year....this is Mayo's year. There's something different about them this year. They seem a more focused, steelier outfit..There are many players in it who might not be household names outside the county, but that could change next weekend.
I've been impressed by players like Kevin Keane and Lee Keegan in particular.
However, if they're to bridge that 61 year gap, they'll need to avoid a collapse like most of the second half against Dublin, plus the first half of the Connacht Final, when if memory serves me right, they only scored 3 points...That first half against Sligo wasn't a collapse as such, but saw Mayo very frustrated by the way Sligo swarmed around them.
The ability to beat Dublin without Andy Moran shows how far this Mayo team has come.
I reckon we won't see a classic in the final, and wouldn't be surprised if the game produces no goals. It will be an intense, dogged battle, and i believe that Mayo can win it, and will it on a scoreline of 0-14 to 0-12, because as i said, there's something different about Mayo this year.
Best of luck to them, and let's not hear anyone telling them to win it for Connacht or for the West, because when Mayo lost in 1989, 96, 97, 2004, 06, the rest of Connacht didn't feel the pain of it like Mayo did......Do it for yourselves lads.
dunno. maybe and maybe no... both semis were crackers. i think it will be tight. if it's tight, i can see it being a good quality game, maybe not a scorefest, but won in the trenches. i love these types of games anyway, so if it went that way it would be a cracker to my eyes.
players could be really nervous though and the quality of play suffer. donegal and mayo have been good so far in this regard and i'd kinda expect them to be able to handle the pressure. but maybe the nerves will get the better of one team or both. hard to say how it will pan out if you think about it like this, but form is form, and on form it'll be tight and hard fought, unless mayo can steamroller us like they did to the dubs. which i hope won't happen, and so it'll be a tight one with us winning by one thank you very much!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2012, 07:31:10 PM
Anything could happen on the day the the ref could send off a few Donegal players, that type scenario would improve Mayo's chances.
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 07:19:31 PM
So, your tried and tested masterplan is to hold McFadden & Murphy in the 2nd half. Aye, that should be about enough to win it.
Sounds good to me! ;D
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Here Ill have go.
Mayo are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field. If you deny any of those advantages for Mayo then ye are smoking something optimistic up there. I know there'll be 'disrespect' posted in response but it's not. Just my opinion which may be totally inaccurate in 8 days. I'll hold my hands up. I just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Mayo side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the Horan rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and Horan will be loving it but they're a fine team.
See loads of cliched unsubstantiated nonsense. But this seems to go down as tactical analysis in your book
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
Sounds like you're getting frustrated O'Neill......
A mate of mine from Donegal sees lots of similarities in the way both county's style of play. If that's true then we have to have a bit of a chance.
O Neill your in la la land ....
your "reasoning" was utter tripe ....
For example ... you would take all the Donegal backs ahead of Mayo ... All thirteen of them 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
I think your own analysis lacked a bit of reasoning too. While I think Donegal will win I can certainly see reasons for hope in Mayo. For a start, Mayo are more than capable of matching Donegal in the middle third and most of the Mayo players here match up favourably with their Donegal counterparts. If Mayo can compete here then they have a great chance of winning. Secondly, they have a very good free taker in O'Connor so they are capable of staying in touch if they force frees from Donegal. Thirdly, while Donegal are very well organised, have some great players and are tough to beat due to their 'set up' they are not a markedly better set footballers than Mayo and Mayo will be organised too so I see this match as being up for grabs. Finally, an average Tyrone team ran them close which shows they can be beaten and Mayo will have had a lot of time to analyse what works against Donegal.
The only area I feel Mayo fall down on is their firepower, other than that they are a match for any team in the country, so if they bring their shooting boots they can definitely win. While some might say they've posted big scores I think it's been against poor opposition bar Dublin and the intensity of the Donegal defending will expose all but the best forwards and Mayo's aren't in the top bracket IMO. This is why I favour Donegal but I wouldn't rule out Mayo at all.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
What do you want us to give you? A detailed look at where the game will be lost and won? No matter what we say you will belittle us. We see ourselves as having a chance! We're not up our hole. No one here is saying we're the best ever. Remember Donegal like us are coming from a similar base and both of us should be treated with equal respect.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
Donegal tend to fade in the last 10 minutes.
The expectation of the Donegal fans will lead to too much pressure on the players.
Mayo have better forwards.
The pundits have got the last 4 matches in a row wrong.
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
I think your own analysis lacked a bit of reasoning too. While I think Donegal will win I can certainly see reasons for hope in Mayo. For a start, Mayo are more than capable of matching Donegal in the middle third and most of the Mayo players here match up favourably with their Donegal counterparts. If Mayo can compete here then they have a great chance of winning. Secondly, they have a very good free taker in O'Connor so they are capable of staying in touch if they force frees from Donegal. Thirdly, while Donegal are very well organised, have some great players and are tough to beat due to their 'set up' they are not a markedly better set footballers than Mayo and Mayo will be organised too so I see this match as being up for grabs. Finally, an average Tyrone team ran them close which shows they can be beaten and Mayo will have had a lot of time to analyse what works against Donegal.
The only area I feel Mayo fall down on is their firepower, other than that they are a match for any team in the country, so if they bring their shooting boots they can definitely win. While some might say they've posted big scores I think it's been against poor opposition bar Dublin and the intensity of the Donegal defending will expose all but the best forwards and Mayo's aren't in the top bracket IMO. This is why I favour Donegal but I wouldn't rule out Mayo at all.
That's more like it. Tyrone weren't going to beat Donegal. We almost snatched a draw but chased the game when it really mattered. Donegal kept Tyrone at arm's length. O'Connor - he hasn't been as consistent as McFadden. In the Connacht final he was poor. I saw no 'organisation' in that Mayo side for 30 minutes in the AI SF.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
What do you want us to give you? A detailed look at where the game will be lost and won? No matter what we say you will belittle us. We see ourselves as having a chance! We're not up our hole. No one here is saying we're the best ever. Remember Donegal like us are coming from a similar base and both of us should be treated with equal respect.
Ah Jaysus. Belittle? Thought you lads were made of sterner stuff.
Remember the ugly Sligo game when the Yeatsmen squeezed Mayo with no room atall behind their own 45, a sort of Donegal-lite?. Dillon was put under serious pressure by Sligo and his passing was abject. O'Connor's free taking was chronic. Varley tried to cheat his way by diving repeatedly. Moran and Aiden O'Shea saved them that day. Moran's gone.
Quote from: seafoid on September 16, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
Donegal tend to fade in the last 10 minutes.
The expectation of the Donegal fans will lead to too much pressure on the players.
Mayo have better forwards.
The pundits have got the last 4 matches in a row wrong.
Agree with all but the forwards.
R Bradley, L McLoone, M McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden.
v
K McLoughlin, J Doherty, A Dillon, E Varley, C O'Connor, M Conroy
A lot of the performance against Sligo was as much down to poor decision making in the scoring zone as it was to Sligo's defending. Going for goals when they really aren't on and an easy point was on offer is a prime example. If we'd taken the points instead of looking for the goal we'd have gone in 4-5 points up at half time. That's not including two fisted attempts at points that went across goal and the disallowed goal by Moran because of O'Connor's "illegal" hand pass. Altogether we created 27 scoring chances. While we're on the case of defences we kept a forward line that ripped Galway asunder in Salthill to 10 points from 15 scoring opportunities. As for our chances against Donegal, not letting ourselves to get sucked in by the system i.e not overcommit numbers to our attack, limit opportunities for Donegal to counter by making sure we kill the ball when we do go down their end and holding men back to try and break up or slow down the counter attack when it does come. Most importantly, not overconcentrating on Donegals system at the expense of what we do naturally and what has worked so far, as Cork did to their cost.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 16, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
Donegal tend to fade in the last 10 minutes.
The expectation of the Donegal fans will lead to too much pressure on the players.
Mayo have better forwards.
The pundits have got the last 4 matches in a row wrong.
Agree with all but the forwards.
R Bradley, L McLoone, M McHugh, P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden.
v
K McLoughlin, J Doherty, A Dillon, E Varley, C O'Connor, M Conroy
The three in Bold should hold their own. The other three are confidence players, if they get a good start they'll do ok.
I'd take Mayo's half forward line over Donegal's but Donegal have a clear advantage in the full forward line.
I also thought Tyrone did quite well against Donegal and would entirely agree that they were kept at arms length. The lack of apparent organisation in the second half against dublin was largely due to all the injuries and even if it wasn't there is ample evidence Mayo are well organised and are working to a plan. This Mayo team are different but I do agree when you say Mayo's forwards will panic under Donegal's pressure. This will be the winning and losing of it for me. I think Donegal will force Mayo to use the ball poorly on occasions and I just don't see the quality of forward in Mayo to kick those 1 out of 100 type scores to keep Donegal down. If someone has that type of day though then Mayo could certainly win.
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
A lot of the performance against Sligo was as much down to poor decision making in the scoring zone as it was to Sligo's defending. Going for goals when they really aren't on and an easy point was on offer is a prime example. If we'd taken the points instead of looking for the goal we'd have gone in 4-5 points up at half time. That's not including two fisted attempts at points that went across goal and the disallowed goal by Moran because of O'Connor's "illegal" hand pass. Altogether we created 27 scoring chances. While we're on the case of defences we kept a forward line that ripped Galway asunder in Salthill to 10 points from 15 scoring opportunities. As for our chances against Donegal, not letting ourselves to get sucked in by the system i.e not overcommit numbers to our attack, limit opportunities for Donegal to counter by making sure we kill the ball when we do go down their end and holding men back to try and break up or slow down the counter attack when it does come. Most importantly, not overconcentrating on Donegals system at the expense of what we do naturally and what has worked so far, as Cork did to their cost.
Are you recommending Mayo keep to a 6-2-6 as much as possible? If that's the case, it'll come down to Mayo's accuracy from distance if they are to have any chance as they'll have 12 marking 6-8. In a 70 minute game in Croker that'll take some dedication to stick to the gameplan when things aren't going your way on the scoreboard. It just takes 3-4 wides before players start committing more to attack in order to move it closer. It seems to happen time and time again against Donegal. They're happy with a low scoring game knowing the opposition will blink first. They simply invite you on. Then, with maybe 2 Donegal forwards on 3 Mayo defenders on the break the O'Donnell men have good odds.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
You're not owed a justification for Mayo's chances by anyone here. Every poster can put their thoughts forward but these ramblings mean about as much as an analysis by Joe Brolly.
An AI final will take a course and in many cases, it is unexpected. All the forensics in advance regarding the merits of either team should be treated with suspicion and taken with a pinch of salt by anyone with any sense.
That's why finals are actually played. You're quite entitled to hold dogmatic views regarding the outcome but it's certainly not helpful to support that position by trying to belittle those who don't agree.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Arra, since it's yerself that's asking, O'Neill, I'll try and oblige and if you don't mind I'll skip the tactical analysis guff. As always, I prefer to go with the facts.
Mayo fans overdid the pre- match celebrations back in '96 and paid a heavy price. There was ne'er a sheep dog or lamp-post that wasn't molested in some way and everyone had mighty craic in the process but, unfortunately, the hypefest got in the way of the team's preparations and they paid a heavy price.
Who said so?
Well, apart from my good self, John Maughan did. In the lead up to the '97 final, John got the Mayo CB to issue a statement imploring fans to tone down their revelries so as to allow the team get on with their preparations with the minimum amount of distraction. To their credit, the fans did as they were asked and did the same in '04 and '06. (Okay, we still lost them f**king games but that's not the point.) :D
Mayo fans don't forget the lessons to be learnt from their antics in '96.
Donegal followers don't have the benefit of hindsight as they rev up for the final. It's a done deal for many before the ball is thrown in. At least that's what my contacts from there tell me.
Apart from the benefit of being able to go about their preparations with a minimum of distraction, Mayo have a number of players who have All Ireland experience already. Donegal have none.
Clarke, Higgins and Dillon have been there and so have Gardiner and McGarrity- both ready for action if called upon.
If composure under pressure counts for anything, Mayo should have an advantage there.
Donegal are an excellent team but perhaps they are not quite the finished article yet. Maybe, just maybe, they will fall victims to their followers' hype and implode in a manner more associated with their opponents.
Impossible? Implausible? Ask John Maughan.
Of course they are favourites and so they should be. After all, they defeated the Troika to get to where they are now- one step away from immortality. But McGuinness, shrewd hoor that he is, will have noted that all of the Big Three were very much yesterday's men.
Tyrone were running on empty cylinders when they met Donegal and still managed to finish up only two points adrift.
Kerry lost by a similar margin and anyone with a sup of oil in his lamp would agree that the present Kingdom side is but a pale shadow of its recent self.
The langers in recent years just don't do All Ireland semi finals. Ask Mayo!
They could well have beaten Donegal in this year's one. If Colm O'Neill's goal effort at a crucial stage of the game had been just two inches lower or indeed higher, Cork could well be facing their nemesis once again.
Come to think of it, Donegal won each of the three games in question by a margin of just two points and in each one they were under serious pressure as the game came to an end.
In boxing parlance, Donegal won all three bouts on points. Not a KO in sight. Yet, their reputation for invincibility etc. etc. is based on the verdicts of those fights/games.
Keep in mind also that their scoring returns in the aforementioned games were quite low. They scored 0-12 against Tyrone, 1-12 against Kerry and 0-16 against Cork.
Mayo just happen to have one of the meanest defensive setups in the business and I don't anticipate a flurry of flag waving at David Clarke's end.
Mayo, even without their most influential player, proceeded to tear Dublin to shreds for most of that game and still managed to withstand the onslaught in the final quarter and finished stronger than their opponents.
Many will say Mayo simply ran out of steam and let the Dubs back in but I'd say there were other contributory factors. Horan was forced to make an unusually high number of replacements, eight in all, and had to resort to re-introducing players who were quite clearly injured. It would be enough to put an ass off his oats but still Mayo managed to retain their composure and will be ready and rarin' to go next Sunday.
I lost no sleep before the Dublin match and I don't expect to get the jitters at any time before the next one. Que sera, sera and all that shite; if Jimmy Horan doesn't panic, I won't either.
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
I'd take Mayo's half forward line over Donegal's but Donegal have a clear advantage in the full forward line.
You would? Donegal's half forward line are not orthodox forwards but they influence the game more than any other half forward line IMO. Mark McHugh (who I didn't rate until this year) and Ryan Bradley have been brilliant for Donegal.
I don't think any half forward line plays it in an orthodox way anymore. I'd agree that the boys you mentioned have been very good this year but I was referring to football ability. McHugh for example has been excellent in his role but I'm not sure he is an outstanding footballer whereas Dillion is. For me the Mayo lads are better but the opposite is the case when discussing the full forward lines.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
A lot of the performance against Sligo was as much down to poor decision making in the scoring zone as it was to Sligo's defending. Going for goals when they really aren't on and an easy point was on offer is a prime example. If we'd taken the points instead of looking for the goal we'd have gone in 4-5 points up at half time. That's not including two fisted attempts at points that went across goal and the disallowed goal by Moran because of O'Connor's "illegal" hand pass. Altogether we created 27 scoring chances. While we're on the case of defences we kept a forward line that ripped Galway asunder in Salthill to 10 points from 15 scoring opportunities. As for our chances against Donegal, not letting ourselves to get sucked in by the system i.e not overcommit numbers to our attack, limit opportunities for Donegal to counter by making sure we kill the ball when we do go down their end and holding men back to try and break up or slow down the counter attack when it does come. Most importantly, not overconcentrating on Donegals system at the expense of what we do naturally and what has worked so far, as Cork did to their cost.
Are you recommending Mayo keep to a 6-2-6 as much as possible? If that's the case, it'll come down to Mayo's accuracy from distance if they are to have any chance as they'll have 12 marking 6-8. In a 70 minute game in Croker that'll take some dedication to stick to the gameplan when things aren't going your way on the scoreboard. It just takes 3-4 wides before players start committing more to attack in order to move it closer. It seems to happen time and time again against Donegal. They're happy with a low scoring game knowing the opposition will blink first. They simply invite you on. Then, with maybe 2 Donegal forwards on 3 Mayo defenders on the break the O'Donnell men have good odds.
The bit in bold is the key, if we do that we have a good chance, if we don't we're f**ked, simple as that. Donegal's system is about drawing in as much of the opposition as possible with the defensive aspect, forcing the opposition to work harder on the ball which is physically and mentally draining while also creating space for the counter. The two standout features of the semi v Cork for me were 1/the amount of passes Cork made and 2/the vast open spaces that Donegal broke into with Cork players having to repeatedly chase back. Basically the aim is to dictate the game with and without the ball. Deny them that and you're in with a shout. Easier said than done tho!! :-\
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
Match-upsKeith Higgins kept Colm McFadden quite in the league game. He can do the same again
Ger Cafferey has kept the Sligo FF (whose name escapes me) quiet in the Connact final after the Sligo guy shot the lights out off Finian Hanley in their game v Galway. Same with Benny Coulter and same with Bernard Brogan. He can do the same v Michael Murphy. I could go on.
Lee Keegan on Mark McHugh .... i'm salivating at the prospect. Keegan is 1 of those players that - as per earlier discussions - is an unknown on the national stage. Not in the eyes of Mayo supporters he is not ;)
TacticsKick-passing .... one thing that i did not pick up in during the Dublin game until i watched it later on TV was the superb quality of the Mayos kick-passing. Our usual game was a half running game and half long ball into Andy Moran. I was expecting more emphasis on the running game in the absence of Andy but it was all high quality kick-passing. Kicking the ball forward trumps a mass movement back of half forward line, half backline & midfield all day long.
Counter-acting Donegals kickouts .... we have shown we could do against Cluxtons kickouts twice this year. I expect the same re Donegals kickouts
The Donegal diamond .... when they get the bodies back they defend in a diamond type formation. If Mayo can replicate the long range point scoring as per the game v the Dubs then the diamond will not work.
The challenge game after the league game .... Donegal destroyed us in the league (we were flat, they were psyched). A challenge was played a month or so later in Balla with Donegal having a strong lineout. Mayo got their measure that day and hit goals to boot. I'll say no more about that game :o
PsychologyMcGuinness may have a master degree in this but its all about the players. Mayo are undoubtedly mentally tougher than in the past (we have beaten Dublin, Down and Kerry in knock-out games of football in Croke Park this year) and in my view there is certainly no advantage to Donegal here to say the least.
Absolutely the build up to the final will effect some players. The 'good' thing in Mayo is we have buckets of experience on this and i am confident that it will on balance have less of an effect on Mayo
Gut feelingAidan O'Shea was the best player in the country in Feb/March until he got injured. He is working back towards that level and i expect he could dominate the game as for example our round robin league game v Kerry in Killarney.
Donegal have peaked already ... sports science suggests you can hit a physical peak of performance for a 6 week window in a 52 week year (so perhaps this is more than gut feeling !!). Donegal are well beyond the 6 week period and thus it would surprise me if they are able to deliver the intensity of performance they have in their last few games. Mayos path to the final has allowed us to only need to peak from early August.
AOBNo one could have expected Mayo to be 10 points up v Dublin with such quality kick passing and all the forwards getting in on the act. So we can analyse it all we like but no one will analyse it correctly. There will be some unexpected star, perhaps a flood of goals (Meath Dublin Leinster final a few years ago), Donegal play flat (a la Mayo in 1997), Mayo leave their shooting boots in the dressing room, an early red card (Liam McHale '96 replay!!), Karl Lacey gets injured, a shocking game changing ref decision, etc, etc.... the joyous unpredictability of sport !
And finally, a few stats/fact from the Mayo 'demise' v Dublin.
- Dublins purple patch was for 14 minutes from the 51st minute to the 65th, i.e.: when they went from 10 down to 2 down. There was 11 minutes played from there on and Mayo won that phase of the game 2 pts to 1.
- The common thinking re the Mayo demise during that Dublin purple patch was that we were wiped at midfield. Of the 8 kickouts from the Dublin scores, Mayo won possession from 5 of them.
- I think the reason for the blip was the absence of Kevin McLoughlin, a drop in the quality of our kick passing and our forward line not making the effort to get free to the degree they did earlier in the game
Quote from: Chimley on September 16, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 08:42:52 PM
So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
You're not owed a justification for Mayo's chances by anyone here. Every poster can put their thoughts forward but these ramblings mean about as much as an analysis by Joe Brolly.
An AI final will take a course and in many cases, it is unexpected. All the forensics in advance regarding the merits of either team should be treated with suspicion and taken with a pinch of salt by anyone with any sense.
That's why finals are actually played. You're quite entitled to hold dogmatic views regarding the outcome but it's certainly not helpful to support that position by trying to belittle those who don't agree.
Where's the belittling?
So, a gaa discussion board should just twiddle its thumbs with banality until it's over? Of course pre-match predictions and quasi-analysis means nothing but sure isn't it a bit of craic. I'd rather discuss matters with someone willing to put their neck on the line. We all know anything can happen. Sure I've read Samson.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Arra, since it's yerself that's asking, O'Neill, I'll try and oblige and if you don't mind I'll skip the tactical analysis guff. As always, I prefer to go with the facts.
Mayo fans overdid the pre- match celebrations back in '96 and paid a heavy price. There was ne'er a sheep dog or lamp-post that wasn't molested in some way and everyone had mighty craic in the process but, unfortunately, the hypefest got in the way of the team's preparations and they paid a heavy price.
Who said so?
Well, apart from my good self, John Maughan did. In the lead up to the '97 final, John got the Mayo CB to issue a statement imploring fans to tone down their revelries so as to allow the team get on with their preparations with the minimum amount of distraction. To their credit, the fans did as they were asked and did the same in '04 and '06. (Okay, we still lost them f**king games but that's not the point.) :D
Mayo fans don't forget the lessons to be learnt from their antics in '96.
Donegal followers don't have the benefit of hindsight as they rev up for the final. It's a done deal for many before the ball is thrown in. At least that's what my contacts from there tell me.
Apart from the benefit of being able to go about their preparations with a minimum of distraction, Mayo have a number of players who have All Ireland experience already. Donegal have none.
Clarke, Higgins and Dillon have been there and so have Gardiner and McGarrity- both ready for action if called upon.
If composure under pressure counts for anything, Mayo should have an advantage there.
Donegal are an excellent team but perhaps they are not quite the finished article yet. Maybe, just maybe, they will fall victims to their followers' hype and implode in a manner more associated with their opponents.
Impossible? Implausible? Ask John Maughan.
Of course they are favourites and so they should be. After all, they defeated the Troika to get to where they are now- one step away from immortality. But McGuinness, shrewd hoor that he is, will have noted that all of the Big Three were very much yesterday's men.
Tyrone were running on empty cylinders when they met Donegal and still managed to finish up only two points adrift.
Kerry lost by a similar margin and anyone with a sup of oil in his lamp would agree that the present Kingdom side is but a pale shadow of its recent self.
The langers in recent years just don't do All Ireland semi finals. Ask Mayo!
They could well have beaten Donegal in this year's one. If Colm O'Neill's goal effort at a crucial stage of the game had been just two inches lower or indeed higher, Cork could well be facing their nemesis once again.
Come to think of it, Donegal won each of the three games in question by a margin of just two points and in each one they were under serious pressure as the game came to an end.
In boxing parlance, Donegal won all three bouts on points. Not a KO in sight. Yet, their reputation for invincibility etc. etc. is based on the verdicts of those fights/games.
Keep in mind also that their scoring returns in the aforementioned games were quite low. They scored 0-12 against Tyrone, 1-12 against Kerry and 0-16 against Cork.
Mayo just happen to have one of the meanest defensive setups in the business and I don't anticipate a flurry of flag waving at David Clarke's end.
Mayo, even without their most influential player, proceeded to tear Dublin to shreds for most of that game and still managed to withstand the onslaught in the final quarter and finished stronger than their opponents.
Many will say Mayo simply ran out of steam and let the Dubs back in but I'd say there were other contributory factors. Horan was forced to make an unusually high number of replacements, eight in all, and had to resort to re-introducing players who were quite clearly injured. It would be enough to put an ass off his oats but still Mayo managed to retain their composure and will be ready and rarin' to go next Sunday.
I lost no sleep before the Dublin match and I don't expect to get the jitters at any time before the next one. Que sera, sera and all that shite; if Jimmy Horan doesn't panic, I won't either.
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Yes ONeill. We conceded 2-9 to Down. 1-0 of that in injury time. Wise the f**k up FFS.
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
The worst thing is I'd love to see Mayo win the feckin thing most years but I'll hopefully be in the ground screaming me bollox off for Donegal.
Yip, fair play to ye. Certainly look after ye re provincial cousins and no problem with that. But lots of ye boys can t see any merit beyond.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
Yes ONeill. We conceded 2-9 to Down. 1-0 of that in injury time. Wise the f**k up FFS.
73rd minute is the same as the 21st minute. It still counts. That's why I don't accept the Donegal defence that their late looseness is because games are won by then. It shows a lack of concentration.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
We have no key men . Donegal have no weaknesses . We have a chance of winning an All Ireland Cork , Kerry and Tyrone don't . We have larry reilly in the stand telling james what to do.
Mmmmm Larry Reilly you say....
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Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 16, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
We have no key men . Donegal have no weaknesses . We have a chance of winning an All Ireland Cork , Kerry and Tyrone don't . We have larry reilly in the stand telling james what to do.
Mmmmm Larry Reilly you say....
Yeah, you know the one who is as happy as..............and has the life of................ :D
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
Yes ONeill. We conceded 2-9 to Down. 1-0 of that in injury time. Wise the f**k up FFS.
73rd minute is the same as the 21st minute. It still counts. That's why I don't accept the Donegal defence that their late looseness is because games are won by then. It shows a lack of concentration.
Is it really though? A lot can happen between 21 and 73 mins whereas not a lot can happen between 73 mins and 74 mins.
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
I'd take Mayo's half forward line over Donegal's but Donegal have a clear advantage in the full forward line.I also thought Tyrone did quite well against Donegal and would entirely agree that they were kept at arms length. The lack of apparent organisation in the second half against dublin was largely due to all the injuries and even if it wasn't there is ample evidence Mayo are well organised and are working to a plan. This Mayo team are different but I do agree when you say Mayo's forwards will panic under Donegal's pressure. This will be the winning and losing of it for me. I think Donegal will force Mayo to use the ball poorly on occasions and I just don't see the quality of forward in Mayo to kick those 1 out of 100 type scores to keep Donegal down. If someone has that type of day though then Mayo could certainly win.
Maybe, but I m not so sure. McFadden wont have happiest memories of playing us. He s always looked pedestrian in play if marked by Higgins or Caff. Murphy is a different animal and too big for Caff. But he hasn t been the player he was before the last injury in spring. He might be on Sunday though. I d consider Keane on Murphy. MacBrearty is quality but young doesn t always be in the game. Caff or Keane could do alright on him.
Mayo have played Donegal twice this year and we ll have learned a lot from that - certainly did between Ballyshannon and Swinford.
Another thing is while Donegal appear to be the best organised team ever, that strength may be their achilles heel. They always play the same - Mayo on the other hand play a constantly evolving game. They ve reinvented themselves several times this year as it is! Next Sunday will not be the same as Dub. semi.
Even in the win v Dublin we took flak for the fade out.
Hmmmmmm. Put it this way. Donegal should have beaten Dubs last year but didnt. Lacey injury was crucial.
Look at the logistical nightmare of injuries we ve had. Let s compare the scenario to a similar crisis in Donegal and see if they could have survived a similar experience.
Losing Andy before would be like going in without Murphy.
Boyle virus and not starting would be like losing Thompson and weakening the bench.
Keegan injured after 12 minutes. Take out the other Donegal wing back and introduce the impact player you ll need in the last quarter - in Mayo s case Richie Feeney ( who was deliberately kept in reserve and Chris Barrett started for Boyle)
Losing McLoughlin would be like McHugh missing same. McLoughlin better footballer obviously but McHugh a very important link player for Donegal.
Then Richie Feeney has to go off . Go figure.
We were a bit like Old Mother Hubbard at that stage and it was a great result for us in those circumstances.
Yet likes of O Neill dismisses it as lack of organisation ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ONeill on September 15, 2012, 11:27:14 PM
Can any of the Mayoites then explain how you can win this?
Donegal are fitter, mentally and physically tougher and have better footballers all over the field. If you deny any of those advantages for Donegal then ye are smoking something optimistic down there. I know there'll be 'disrespect' posted in response but it's not. Just my opinion which may be totally inaccurate in 8 days. I'll hold my hands up. I just have never witnessed a side as well drilled as a unit as this Donegal side. The Tyrone 05 side was much more talented individually but I think they'd have floundered on the McGuinness rock. They reduce sides to a mumbling mess by the 50 minute mark. There is a lot of hyperbole around them too and McGuinness will be loving it but they're a fine team.
There is a small, small chance that everything Mayo hit from 35 out will go over the bar. Possible. Miraculous but maybe. Perhaps Mayo will keep their heads when 3-4 don't go over and remain calm. Then perhaps Mayo will maintain the 150mph approach for 75 mins, because Donegal will. Mayo will need to keep getting up and hit them again. And then do it again, all of them. They cannot hide for 25 minutes as they did v Dublin. Possibly McFadden will kick over no placed balls, Murphy will be tied up again, the Donegal raiding game will be met head on, again for 75 minutes. Maybe Donegal's defensive machine will inexplicably fall to pieces on the big day. Perhaps big O'Shea will lord it on the biggest stage- play like he did as a minor and waltz around the Hills. Donegal chasing a game after a miraculous start by the Westerners? We don't really know how they'll react to a 4-5 point deficit in an AIF. Last year Tyrone led them 0-6 to 0-1 and Donegal were spinning. The referee's whistle saved them. McGuinness reminded them of their duties and they went out and strangled Tyrone, albeit with slight fortune and skulduggery.
Houl on, Mayo can do this. Up Mayo.
So O'Neill can we have a more better explanation as to how Donegal will "win" this game ..... And none of the previous bluster and lasy comment ....
How about some football analysis and not hyperbole regarding the "Donegal System", and so on. ? 8) 8) 8)
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
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Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2012, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
The worst thing is I'd love to see Mayo win the feckin thing most years but I'll hopefully be in the ground screaming me bollox off for Donegal.
Yip, fair play to ye. Certainly look after ye re provincial cousins and no problem with that. But lots of ye boys can t see any merit beyond.
No, not at all. I think Donegal will win but it'll be feckin tight.
Mayo have every chance.
Of course you do but you ll be roaring for them as well. Most of our neighbours will want us to fail like we usually do.
And Ulster folk - if Ratlin Island have a team ye would expect them to beat Mayo.
There is no circumstance where an Ulster county would not beat Mayo in Ulster opinion. To quote Brolly many s the time 'Trone will blue dem away'
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Our 5th final in 23 years, what the boys in Cliffoney and Kiltoom would give for that?
Hmm i don't know, we lost the U21 AI final this year that defeat is still raw & while i'm sure the build up is great i can't imagine the pain of losing all those senior finals.
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Speak for yourself, win lose or draw we'll be back again. Sure we just see this as something that happens every 5 years or so!
If you win you probably won't be back in another final for 38 years ;)
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Our 5th final in 23 years, what the boys in Cliffoney and Kiltoom would give for that?
Hmm i don't know, we lost the U21 AI final this year that defeat is still raw & while i'm sure the build up is great i can't imagine the pain of losing all those senior finals.
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Speak for yourself, win lose or draw we'll be back again. Sure we just see this as something that happens every 5 years or so!
If you win you probably won't be back in another final for 38 years ;)
You know both of the above are wrong ;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
There's this narrative out there about Ulster teams and being slighted and 'hated' but no province has suffered more from marginalisation than Connacht. The hurt is stronger out west than it ever could be in the north, it's been a constant in general life since Cromwell and To Hell or to Connacht. Relatively speaking ye're johnny-come-lately's to the hurt game.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Donegal don't have McLoughlin. Donegal don't have have O'Connor. Donegal don't have Keegan. Donegal don't have Higgins. Donegal didn't come out from Ruslip by a point just over a year ago and then end up beating the All- Ireland champions a few months later.
Mayo didn't concede a late goal to Cork last year or Kerry this year in the league semi.
O'Neil please provide evidence of Mayo panicing this year?
Panicking? Read 5 minutes left v Dublin. Only for that save from Brogan it would have been the biggest meltdown in GAA history. Ever.
Battle hardened? Come on. Mayo have yet to beat anyone worthwhile. Dublin were a shambles of an outfit but still nearly strung together a wretched performance to beat a Mayo on its knees.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Christ - worse than I thought.
Knew it! Opinion is being informed by the Sunday game ;) Mr Brolly' s mantra ' Donegal don t do panic' is being bandied about I see.
Class.
I've never heard Brolly say that. Have you?
Maybe Sidebottom did.
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years we beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Okay first of all nobody has mentioned anything about Donegal's Ulster campaign. Ulster is shit and probably on a par with Connacht, which is also shit. Donegal beat Tyrone rather comfortably while Mayo stumbled past Sligo (Tyrone are a much better team than Sligo) . Donegal have since beaten Kerry and Cork while Mayo beat Down (again, Ulster football is currently shit) and admittedly played their best football in years against Dublin for 50 mins. You cannot seriously say that the singular decent opposition that Mayo have played this year compares as 'battle hardened' against Donegal's record??!!
In terms of All Ireland pedigree you may recall Donegal getting narrowly beaten in an All Ireland U21 final a couple of years ago so these lads have a bit of experience behind them.
Before the Dublin game I thought Mayo were beat unless they played out of their skins and the Dubs didn't have the stomach for the fight having already won the All Ireland. That's what happened. Donegal will undoubtedly have the hunger and the way they have played consistently throughout this Championship you can only look at one winner here. Mayo have a chance, a small one but I see Donegal winning this by at least 5 points.
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2012, 12:03:47 AM
mayogodhelpus@gmail.com will be pleased that Jim McGuinness has not selected any players from Rathlin Island.
On an unrelated note, he hasn't selected any players from Tory Island either. The closest may be Colm McFadden.
;D
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Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2012, 11:14:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
The worst thing is I'd love to see Mayo win the feckin thing most years but I'll hopefully be in the ground screaming me bollox off for Donegal.
Yip, fair play to ye. Certainly look after ye re provincial cousins and no problem with that. But lots of ye boys can t see any merit beyond.
No, not at all. I think Donegal will win but it'll be feckin tight.
Mayo have every chance.
Of course you do but you ll be roaring for them as well. Most of our neighbours will want us to fail like we usually do.
And Ulster folk - if Ratlin Island have a team ye would expect them to beat Mayo.
There is no circumstance where an Ulster county would not beat Mayo in Ulster opinion. To quote Brolly many s the time 'Trone will blue dem away'
A number of things:
1) A bad description of Brolly's accent. I'll half give you 'Trone' but 'blue' instead of 'blow' is wrong and 'dem' is a long way off.
2) Rathlin.
3) That's not true. Mayo would beat the pick of Rathlin by 60+
4) There aren't more than 2 Ulster counties capable of beating Mayo in the next 2/3 years.
5) Good luck and try to enjoy it, even a little.
Ok. I should have got Rathin right but he does not sound like 'blow', whatever about 'them'
Anyway you know it is his contemptious and dismissive tone that is the substantive point that I m trying to make. He might reflect that he and his county played in 1 and won 1.
AI are not for enjoying unless as a neutral.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years we beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Okay first of all nobody has mentioned anything about Donegal's Ulster campaign. Ulster is shit and probably on a par with Connacht, which is also shit. Donegal beat Tyrone rather comfortably while Mayo stumbled past Sligo (Tyrone are a much better team than Sligo) . Donegal have since beaten Kerry and Cork while Mayo beat Down (again, Ulster football is currently shit) and admittedly played their best football in years against Dublin for 50 mins. You cannot seriously say that the singular decent opposition that Mayo have played this year compares as 'battle hardened' against Donegal's record??!!
In terms of All Ireland pedigree you may recall Donegal getting narrowly beaten in an All Ireland U21 final a couple of years ago so these lads have a bit of experience behind them.
Before the Dublin game I thought Mayo were beat unless they played out of their skins and the Dubs didn't have the stomach for the fight having already won the All Ireland. That's what happened. Donegal will undoubtedly have the hunger and the way they have played consistently throughout this Championship you can only look at one winner here. Mayo have a chance, a small one but I see Donegal winning this by at least 5 points.
I'm afraid there are a majority of our Panel with '
Winners' medals from 2006.
What the fcuk have they been doing for 6 years?
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Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years we beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Okay first of all nobody has mentioned anything about Donegal's Ulster campaign. Ulster is shit and probably on a par with Connacht, which is also shit. Donegal beat Tyrone rather comfortably while Mayo stumbled past Sligo (Tyrone are a much better team than Sligo) . Donegal have since beaten Kerry and Cork while Mayo beat Down (again, Ulster football is currently shit) and admittedly played their best football in years against Dublin for 50 mins. You cannot seriously say that the singular decent opposition that Mayo have played this year compares as 'battle hardened' against Donegal's record??!!
In terms of All Ireland pedigree you may recall Donegal getting narrowly beaten in an All Ireland U21 final a couple of years ago so these lads have a bit of experience behind them.
Before the Dublin game I thought Mayo were beat unless they played out of their skins and the Dubs didn't have the stomach for the fight having already won the All Ireland. That's what happened. Donegal will undoubtedly have the hunger and the way they have played consistently throughout this Championship you can only look at one winner here. Mayo have a chance, a small one but I see Donegal winning this by at least 5 points.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Without reading anything else - there s no point - it has to be pointed out that it s a Connacht/Ulster final. What the f**k does that say about Leinster and Munster which were and have been worse for some time.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:33:28 AM
What the fcuk have they been doing for 6 years?
The JOM years. They ve done reasonably decent last 2.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
Panicking? Read 5 minutes left v Dublin. Only for that save from Brogan it would have been the biggest meltdown in GAA history. Ever.
Battle hardened? Come on. Mayo have yet to beat anyone worthwhile. Dublin were a shambles of an outfit but still nearly strung together a wretched performance to beat a Mayo on its knees.
Ah O'Neil, in the last 5mins of the Dublin game we outscored Dublin 2-1.............panic???????
It has been stated here countless times in the last three weeks that Dublin's purple patch came when our best and most underrated player went off injured and when he came on again that is when we began to get a grip. There was also the Sligo game where it was in the melting pot until the end but the lads held out and didn't panic.
Look you can only play whats put in front of you. Over the past two years Mayo have come across some tough opposition and not always come out the right side but they have learned which is the main thing. The fact we took Down and Dublin apart (for 50 mins) has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of this Mayo team? Just each team we played are absolute crap?
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:33:28 AM
What the fcuk have they been doing for 6 years?
Losing to Longford,Sligo,Derry and Kerry?
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
Panicking? Read 5 minutes left v Dublin. Only for that save from Brogan it would have been the biggest meltdown in GAA history. Ever.
Battle hardened? Come on. Mayo have yet to beat anyone worthwhile. Dublin were a shambles of an outfit but still nearly strung together a wretched performance to beat a Mayo on its knees.
Mayo haven't beaten anyone worthwhile????? Just the all Ireland champions which Donegal couldn't beat, Kerry in the league semi and dethroned cork last year too!! Same 2 teams which Donegal beat to reach the final and those 2 victories are what started this "unbeatable" tag!!! Is it coz its just coz we beat them that they're not worthwhile???
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No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years we beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Okay first of all nobody has mentioned anything about Donegal's Ulster campaign. Ulster is shit and probably on a par with Connacht, which is also shit. Donegal beat Tyrone rather comfortably while Mayo stumbled past Sligo (Tyrone are a much better team than Sligo) . Donegal have since beaten Kerry and Cork while Mayo beat Down (again, Ulster football is currently shit) and admittedly played their best football in years against Dublin for 50 mins. You cannot seriously say that the singular decent opposition that Mayo have played this year compares as 'battle hardened' against Donegal's record??!!
In terms of All Ireland pedigree you may recall Donegal getting narrowly beaten in an All Ireland U21 final a couple of years ago so these lads have a bit of experience behind them.
Before the Dublin game I thought Mayo were beat unless they played out of their skins and the Dubs didn't have the stomach for the fight having already won the All Ireland. That's what happened. Donegal will undoubtedly have the hunger and the way they have played consistently throughout this Championship you can only look at one winner here. Mayo have a chance, a small one but I see Donegal winning this by at least 5 points.
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Without reading anything else - there s no point - it has to be pointed out that it s a Connacht/Ulster final. What the f**k does that say about Leinster and Munster which were and have been worse for some time.
Ye see, the penny is starting to drop with me now. I never really paid much attention to Mayo posters here as we haven't crossed paths. But tonight, I can say ye are as thick as pigshite. (Deel and the oul boy Lar excluded as far as i can see)
Of the 8 quarter finalists, I think one was from the Whest (cos it had to be) and 2 were Ulster (Down were subsequently defeated by the weakest provincial winner).
We are the weakest provinces and it's a bad, bad year when we meet in the final.
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No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't have a McHugh. Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
Eh? It's very hard to make the case that Donegal have had a more battle-scarred route to this point than Mayo. For Mayo players this has been an almost constant that's been handed down from team to team since the late '80's. League finalists, two-time All-Ireland semi-finalists and the team to end the reigns of both of the last two All-Ireland champions.
I think alot of ye guys are severely over-rating how good the rest of Ulster is (us in one of our very much down years we beat Armagh far more handily than the score-line suggested, and that should tell its own story) and putting far too little weight in Mayo's pedigree. Most of the Mayo players have been challenging for All-Irelands at every grade coming up - you can't say the same about Donegal's players. There's nothing novel about Mayo and All-Ireland finals.
If you want to go on 'battle-hardened' or 'proven quality' there's only one team in that race and it ain't Donegal.
Okay first of all nobody has mentioned anything about Donegal's Ulster campaign. Ulster is shit and probably on a par with Connacht, which is also shit. Donegal beat Tyrone rather comfortably while Mayo stumbled past Sligo (Tyrone are a much better team than Sligo) . Donegal have since beaten Kerry and Cork while Mayo beat Down (again, Ulster football is currently shit) and admittedly played their best football in years against Dublin for 50 mins. You cannot seriously say that the singular decent opposition that Mayo have played this year compares as 'battle hardened' against Donegal's record??!!
In terms of All Ireland pedigree you may recall Donegal getting narrowly beaten in an All Ireland U21 final a couple of years ago so these lads have a bit of experience behind them.
Before the Dublin game I thought Mayo were beat unless they played out of their skins and the Dubs didn't have the stomach for the fight having already won the All Ireland. That's what happened. Donegal will undoubtedly have the hunger and the way they have played consistently throughout this Championship you can only look at one winner here. Mayo have a chance, a small one but I see Donegal winning this by at least 5 points.
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Without reading anything else - there s no point - it has to be pointed out that it s a Connacht/Ulster final. What the f**k does that say about Leinster and Munster which were and have been worse for some time.
Ye see, the penny is starting to drop with me now. I never really paid much attention to Mayo posters here as we haven't crossed paths. But tonight, I can say ye are as thick as pigshite. (Deel and the oul boy Lar excluded as far as i can see)
Of the 8 quarter finalists, I think one was from the Whest (cos it had to be) and 2 were Ulster (Down were subsequently defeated by the weakest provincial winner).
We are the weakest provinces and it's a bad, bad year when we meet in the final.
ONeill you have lowered the tone of this thread. That remark was unwaranted. As i said earlier you would belittle us. But, i had assumed it would be based on football facts rather than vile remarks.
When your province is common element in mutiple arguments (Kerry.. Kerry.. Kerry... Kerry?) you should really look at yourself before calling other supporters thick.
You've got different opinions - what did you expect, that Mayo people were going to say 'yes sir, we have no players, no battles, probably no chance, sir..'?
Well at least one person feels that Donegal do panic and he was in the middle of the action.
A quote from Kieran Donaghy:
"Six points down with four and a half minutes to go, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel because we really couldn't figure a way to break them down.
"But then the goal went in and you could see a bit of panic, (Donegal) fellas starting to get a bit tetchy with one another. Next thing, we're just a point down.
"At least we put ourselves in a position to ask the question of Donegal and, in fairness, they came up with the answer. But a draw would have been massive for us because I'd have loved another week to try and figure them out.
"We dominated Donegal for only a few minutes and got 1-2. So their system can be beaten, it's not invincible. I think they like to put that mystique out there that, maybe, it is. But it isn't."
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 07:08:31 PM
To pull you out of that hole - I'll explain. Donegal lost that game. Dublin didn't score from play until the 60th minute. Donegal's obsession with defensive tactics lost them the game. At 6-3 ahead in the second half they were home and dried only for first year naivety to play its part. Instead of killing their prey they sat on a lead.
Away an sihte ya ludraman,ya must in china by now with yer diggin.Do ya see anything dumb about that post,ffs how to contradict yourself in a couple a sentences.Defensive tactics near got them the game,the wheels came off that wagon and in dramatic fashion,dublin won the game.Naievty!it was a semi final.But you,ll keep diggn.Mayo posters will have noted there is no arrogance or foregone conclusions comin from donegal posters just ye hangn on to the coat tails of the only decent county north of us with no ulster whine about them.
Quote from: hardstation on September 16, 2012, 07:19:31 PM
So, your tried and tested masterplan is to hold McFadden & Murphy in the 2nd half. Aye, that should be about enough to win it.
He didnt say it was a master plan gobby,it was a response to the other ulster balloon.As part of a strategy not a bad idea the mcfadden business given hes the the top scorer in the country this year,take his scoring away from any donegal game and they would not have won a single game.
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drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
Im gonna see and raise ya C,I,ll give ya four tickets for four bottles.
Bring a jumper!their for leabgarra ferry in 1st week a november.God damn Doney men and their mountain dew,the only thing worse than than postin drunk,is makin a solemn agreement with Tir Conallites in da same condition or callin yer wife at three in da mornin and tellin her yer late coz ya had to help robinhood or spiderman fight crime.Ach eist,your donegal agus mise mayo,the one thing we do well to world wide acclaim is dig tunnels,your 4buideals and my shovels, jones road midnight saturday 22,what says ya. ;D
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i don't fly in until sunday morning, but if you get her started i'll bring the air spade and a muck board and we'll skip the breakfast and horse into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsko1YqkM
;D sound,on me way you bring the teabags :D .Thats a great we video too,good find,have look at it again though,that mans capeen seems to have a life of its own,like he has a pet frog or somethin underneath or am i seein things :D
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't havemc hugh . Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
No we have a Kevin Mc Loughlin who has been totally underestimated this year he is just as important to mayo as mc hugh has been to donegal the amount of breaking ball this man picks up is unreal plus the quality of ball he delivers into the full forward line is top class also it's no coincidence that when he went off injured against Dublin, Dublin got back into the game. Also pretty sure we got into the AI semi final last year beating Cork on the way and the league final this year so we are pretty battle hardened ourselves. As regards Donegal conceding goals they conceded 1 against Cork when they started to showbaot and there was a bit of panic for the final few minutes of that game.
Jesus o'neill you put in some night last night trying to wind up the whole of mayo ;D
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Jesus o'neill you put in some night last night trying to wind up the whole of mayo ;D
A good shift indeed ;D
Considering this debate has moved on to what can Mayo do to stop Donegal, seems like a perfect time to post my Tactical Profile of Mayo. You can find it here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6193
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Considering this debate has moved on to what can Mayo do to stop Donegal, seems like a perfect time to post my Tactical Profile of Mayo. You can find it here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6193
Sounds like we're in for a lot of whistling. Maurice Deegan better have the lips in good condition.
There is a potential weakness to Donegal's approach to the game, but as yet it hasn't really been put to the test.
Despite a flurry of ludicrous assertions that Donegal have taken fitness levels to new highs, the Ulster men have not found some new methods to supercharge their engines. The likes of Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin and Cork over the past decade have also had panels of players who have been at optimal fitness. This is nothing new.
As for their blanket defence, yes it's there, but again it's nothing new.
Where they get their edge from is mainly down to two factors:
1. Cajoling the opposition into throwing everything at them and burning out quickly or regularly, then striking through the gaps that this leaves.
2. Exploiting opportunities with the minimum of ease and fuss, thereby mentally eating away at their opponents who seemingly have to work so much harder for a score.
This is really not that scientific a system, not on paper anyway. In practice it takes 15 players to leave behind their egos, and apply hard work and commonsense instead of bravado and ingenuity. That's where McGuinness has earned his stripes. As mentioned umpteen times, Michael Murphy's willingness to be a part of a system rather than the product of the system, sums up their approach.
What hasn't happened to them yet is they haven't played against a team who are equally prepared to be patient, thoughtful and clinical, regardless of the occasion and its reward. I think that's what they're going to come up against on Sunday. Mayo showed against Dublin that even a quality player like Andy Moran can be removed from their team with minimal impact on how they play the game.
Beyond standing in front of McFadden and tracking McHugh, I really doubt Mayo's game plan will involve much discussion about Donegal, but will concentrate on what they're good at: holding their defensive shape, then exploiting space when turnovers are forced.
The game is all set to be a clinker. I've a small fear that we could see long periods where both teams will not leave their own halves, in an attempt to draw the other out and leave space. If that happens it could be even more fascinating, if not overly exciting. I'm going for a draw.
CONOR Mortimer will know in one week's time if his decision to walk away from Mayo was something he will regret for the rest of his life.
But if it is, the Mayo footballer insists today in an exclusive Irish Independent interview that he has nothing to apologise for.
"I didn't hang anyone, did I?" Mortimer (30) says.
"If I (had to apologise to anyone) it would be to the players at the time, but no, that was it.
"I haven't heard from anyone really, if I'm honest."
Mortimer's amazing decision to walk away from a team who looked a genuine All-Ireland threat this year has marked a difficult few months for the Parnells clubman.
Mortimer added that he has no problem with the style of play employed by Mayo boss James Horan, and that he sincerely hopes his team-mates win the All-Ireland against Donegal next Sunday.
Despite a flurry of ludicrous assertions that Donegal have taken fitness levels to new highs, the Ulster men have not found some new methods to supercharge their engines. The likes of Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin and Cork over the past decade have also had panels of players who have been at optimal fitness. This is nothing new.
A multiple All-Star and All Ireland winner from the Tyrone team of 2003-2008 said Donegal were the fittest team he's ever seen on a GAA field. I'd take his word for it.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 09:56:41 AM
Despite a flurry of ludicrous assertions that Donegal have taken fitness levels to new highs, the Ulster men have not found some new methods to supercharge their engines. The likes of Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin and Cork over the past decade have also had panels of players who have been at optimal fitness. This is nothing new.
A multiple All-Star and All Ireland winner from the Tyrone team of 2003-2008 said Donegal were the fittest team he's ever seen on a GAA field. I'd take his word for it.
how many points for fitness does the Bulgarian judge usually score?
So one man makes gives his opinion and you reckon it's an indisputable fact?? I'd doubt very much Donegal are significantly fitter than any of the other semi finalists, in fact I'd be certain they're not.
I can't understand where some lads are coming from on this thread. Whatever way you dice it the two teams are well matched. Mayo's record in finals is the only reason I wouldn't entirely dismiss the prospect of an easy Donegal win but I'm certain this is a different Mayo.
Put Colm O'Neill and Bernard Brogan into the Mayo team and I'd have them favourites. Donegal have 2 men that could shoot the lights out whereas Mayo don't IMO. That's the only difference I can see between the two teams.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 09:56:41 AM
Despite a flurry of ludicrous assertions that Donegal have taken fitness levels to new highs, the Ulster men have not found some new methods to supercharge their engines. The likes of Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin and Cork over the past decade have also had panels of players who have been at optimal fitness. This is nothing new.
A multiple All-Star and All Ireland winner from the Tyrone team of 2003-2008 said Donegal were the fittest team he's ever seen on a GAA field. I'd take his word for it.
What I'm suggesting though O'Neill, is that they give the illusion of being even fitter by being so clinical and disciplined about how they use their fitness. I've absolutely no doubt that if the Cork panel were put through the beep test (or any other fitness assessment method) they'd be at least a match for Donegal.
But in the last 20 mins of the semi-final Cork looked like a club team against a county team, because they'd used up so much energy taking the game to Donegal up to that point.
McGlynn, McHugh and Lacey are the prime examples. You don't see them sneaking forward with every attack, like so many half-backs do, in the off chance of something opening up. You don't see them leading the charge every time they get a sniff, like (for example) McMenamin would have in his prime. When they make a break, it's with 100% conviction, it's to take on a defined role. It's actually marvellous to watch.
i was in donegal for the weekend and to be honest i have never experienced the sort of unadulterated unabashed confidence in victory that was on show there. even against Kerry i never came across such absolute conviction that they were going to win, in some ways it was almost funny.
one of the woman in our company asked me in a low whisper if anyone in mayo really thought that mayo Would win. i whispered back that yes many people myself included thought we were going to do it, the look of shock and confusion on her face was comical.
now admittedly this woman knew obviously nothing about football ( except that donegal were going to win). football people were more circumspect but i got the impression this was only out of politeness and so as not to hurt my feelings, i got quite a few '' sure lets hope it a good game anyway'' and '' you never know what might happen on the day''.
as i was checking out of the hotel i asked the lad on reception if he was going to the game? he explained that he was working in the hotel until 3.00pm on sunday he would miss the game as he was getting a flight to Dublin at 3.30pm so as to be in the capital for the post match celebrations!
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So that's a no then. Not one poster can give some form of reasoning. Some shower
I'll give it a go O'Neill. In short I think there are about three possible ways we might be able to gain an upper hand on Donegal. The first one is the way donegal attacked against Kerry and Cork. Against Cork they isolated Murphy and Mcfadden inside and kicked excellent direct ball into them and in both games( like all year) have a running attack with men attacking from behind the ball. In both instances our policy of turning over the ball by overloading the man in posession, moving the turnover ball as quickly as possible into attacking positions while not commiting huge amounts of people to defence like a traditional blanket defence combined with us slowing the running attacks by fouling high up the pitch could yield a decent amount of scoring chances.
Secondly Donegal like to draw a team out by encouraging them to attack up the middle which they defend as if their lives depen on it and this in turn frustrates the opposition to commit more men to the attack which leaves space for the Donegal danger men inside. All year Mayo have developed a strategy of trying to stretch the opposing defence by playing quick direct ball into our corner men which pulls the full back line wide and creates space down the wings for mayo forwards to pick off points from distance on the angle.
Thirdly our midfield has been in great form this year and like any game if you can gain some parity here for even for short bursts in the game it takes the pressure off your backs and provides a platform for your forwards. Again we could have some joy here and Aiden and Barry's distribution has been improving in every game and they have chipped in with a few vital scores as well. Also I think we'll play our game( like Donegal will play their own too) and not chop and change our personal before the throw in like Cork did.
I think if we can turn two out of the three points from above to our advantage we have a great chance of winning but I also think Donegal have it well with in them to close off these three avenues too us as well. Should be a great final and good luck to both teams.
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 10:23:35 AM
I can't understand where some lads are coming from on this thread. Whatever way you dice it the two teams are well matched. Mayo's record in finals is the only reason I wouldn't entirely dismiss the prospect of an easy Donegal win but I'm certain this is a different Mayo.
Unfortunately Zulu becuase of the legacy of past final failures there is always going to be some people fearful of another collapse and most others expecting it which until we actually win one is understandable.
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 10:23:35 AM
Put Colm O'Neill and Bernard Brogan into the Mayo team and I'd have them favourites. Donegal have 2 men that could shoot the lights out whereas Mayo don't IMO. That's the only difference I can see between the two teams.
I hear you it's hard to see who in our fulll forwards especially is going to step up to this mantle but to put a positive spin on it Horan has been dealing admirably with this all year so far but someone will have to step up , probably O'Connor if we are going to win.
And finally I would like to award the first wind up the Mayo lads All Star to O'Neill I don't think anyone could say he doesn't deserve it ;)
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Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
No I can't give you a more better explanation.
Mayo don't havemc hugh . Mayo don't have a Murphy. Mayo don't have a Lacey. Mayo don't have a McGlynn. Mayo don't have a two-year battle hardened journey behind them.
Donegal don't fold like Mayo did v Dublin. Donegal don't concede 2 goals to Down. Donegal don't panic.
No we have a Kevin Mc Loughlin who has been totally underestimated this year he is just as important to mayo as mc hugh has been to donegal the amount of breaking ball this man picks up is unreal plus the quality of ball he delivers into the full forward line is top class also it's no coincidence that when he went off injured against Dublin, Dublin got back into the game. Also pretty sure we got into the AI semi final last year beating Cork on the way and the league final this year so we are pretty battle hardened ourselves. As regards Donegal conceding goals they conceded 1 against Cork when they started to showbaot and there was a bit of panic for the final few minutes of that game.
There was no panic in the Cork game. Kerry game, yes, but Donegal saw out the semi fairly calmly.
Lads we all know this is the Goal match in reverse and some other team has to be on the field for 70 odd minutes before they hand Donegal the cup they won back in August, but allow me a few moments of fantasy here, and let me do some whats ifs and the like and pretend it might be a contest, even though as the high priests of the Sunday Game have allready ruled on this one, I know I'm just being silly but paper never refused ink so hould on a minute.
I think there is alot of relevance to what the wobbler says, and some of that relates to Donegals victory over Cork. At a very simplistic level (my analysis, not saying Donegal are simple) Donegal basically clogged the central "channel" that day (same as Mayo did the year before when beating Cork) while Cork had relatively class forwards such as O'Neill, Kerrigan, Sheehan etc at various times standing inside in the corner 1:1 waiting for ball while Cork decided to play keep ball, passing it back and over around the 40. You could almost see the Donegal lads saying "thank you Mr Counihan". If Cork had played a game of fast ball in to those forwards they would at least have kept Donegal guessing, instead they became utterly predictable, Donegal worked their arses off and picked off very good scores in the second half so that Cork resorted to panicing. They were panicing from 50 minutes on when the game was still there to be won. So what the hell has that got to do with the final? I think Mayo are very capable of varying it, they showed against Dublin and against Down that somehow, even though no one rates them, their 6 forwards are capable of winning a ball in front and kicking it over the bar. They can vary it between hitting long ball into the corners or hitting it out to the 40 and scoring from both locations. I dont think Donegal have really encountered that before.
Mayo have 5 players starting who have U-21 all ireland medals in their arse pockets, if Donegal having a great U-21 team is constantly quoted as being a positive for them then that has to count as something for Mayo as well. Mayo have Cian O'Neill a man who has managed to get teams up the physicality stakes required to win a senior hurling all ireland against Kilkenny. I dont know if any of you have been to a senior intercounty match recently, but football pales into comparison with some of the banging going on in hurling matches these days.
Back to football for a minute, rather then the plus and minus columns, and anything we can learn from previous games, one thing that concerns me from a Mayo perspective is midfield, 2004 and 2006 were lost primarily because Mayo were absolutley massacred in midfield. This year Dublin won an awful lot of the kickouts against Mayo but Mayo managed to turn the ball over consistently, turning that ball into scores and annoying the shite outta Dublin. Donegal killed, what I would have regarded as before hand, a very good Cork midfield in the semi. If the same pattern continues and Donegal win the primary share of kickouts, I cant see them turning that ball over again, they havent in the past, and that I think is the key to the result. If Mayo break even at midfield I think they will win by one or two points, if they dont then Donegal will win, barring some seriously bad shooting in front of goals.
Donegal confidence is born out of lack of understanding of what it takes to win an AI and a significant over estimation of their season so far. They beat ageing and slowing Tyrone Cork and Kerry teams. Sunday they will face a pacy and fit team that they will not dominate at midfield as they did v Cork. I expect we will be out of the blocks faster and we wll see what Donegal are made of ad they chase a 5 or 6 point lead
Overall we have the better players in 9/10 positions and to be honest I can't see us losing to an average enough over hyped outfit.
Really looking forward to this, there is bound to be a Pitch invasion
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 17, 2012, 12:46:49 PM
Really looking forward to this, there is bound to be a Pitch invasion
We'd never make it down from the corporate box in time if there is one, will they be showing the soccer on floor 6 I wonder?
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Whoa there, Nelly, whoa!
I said
meanest not
tightest.
Any Donegal bucko who expects to savour the sweet taste of success on Sunday will find himself ingesting a few gobfuls of Croke Park soil before he knows what's hit him.
Mayo backs don't do prisoners- hostages maybe but no encumbrances of any sort.
Be forewarned! ;D
Dia dhaoibh.
I've enjoyed reading this thread from the sublime to the ridiculous over the past 2 weeks or so.
Firstly, and very importantly I'd like to reiterate the huge amount of common ground shared between both Donegal and Mayo people. We've probably got more in common as people than Donegal do with some of their provincial compatriots and this is one reason I'm looking forward to Sunday. There simply isn't a single county in Ireland I'd rather lose a final to than Mayo.
Now to the football. O'Neill has had a good ould dig at the Mayo folk but his posts do register an admiration of Donegal 2012 which I welcome. In reality, I'd thought of posting on this and other forums in the lead up to the game over the past 2 weeks but there's been an abundance of bottom feeding around of late and it's difficult to try to have a debate around the finer points of next Sundays game. Of course, any debate about next Sunday serves only to whet the appetite and will have no bearing on proceedings but for what it's worth here's my 2c.
I think Donegal will win this game because they bring a level of intensity to the game of Gaelic football which no team in 2012 has been capable of dealing with. People will retort that I've bought into the hype but I'd consider myself a fairly well seasoned Gael and having watched Donegal in about 90% of their games to date the following ought to be noted.
1) League counts for nothing when measuring Donegal (they prepare for championship football)
2) The body shape of the entire panel (least so Michael Murphy) has changed dramatically over the past 12 months. Someone previously mentioned McFadden being well marked previously. I'd agree and retort that that was a very different Colm McFadden who could be man marked in that era by a very capable defender. Today I think it takes 2.
3) Donegal don't usually foul. It's become common knowledge that scoreable opportunities from free kicks are very few and far between against Donegal 2012. Look to the number of frees scored by Cork and Kerry in the previous two games for an example of this. To win this game Mayo will need to score regularly from play and not the placed ball.
4) Donegal have not peaked. In general I feel they've improved from game to game this year and expect them to continue this trend on Sunday. The performance v Cork was far from polished and righting the mistakes therein will have been the focus of some of the past 3 weeks.
5) I don't believe any team plays 6-2-6 any longer or at least those who do don't last long enough to be analysed. In my own circle of discussion we hope that Mayo employ a traditional system but I don't believe Mayo or James Horan to be naive enough to do so. From what I've seen of Mayo this year and that's been 3 out of the 4 games they've played they seem similar to Donegal in the deployment of their half forward line, foraging deep for dirty ball and breaking at pace.
Comparing footballers from one team to the other doesn't really do an awful lot of justice either. Murphy is due a big game, is something I've heard bandied about from time to time but he's already had a number of them this year to date. His ball winning ability, distribution, link play and eye for a score as well as natural footballing talent make him the complete package. If we could clone him we'd find room for at least another 3 of him in our starting 15. He's our captain because he's our best footballer, and analysis which discounts his performance isn't accurate in my opinion.
There is also some sentiment in this thread that Mayo's all ireland final experience could see them through. I'd be inclined to think this the case had they won any of the previous encounters. This game will most probably be won by the best team. If that is the case I expect I'll be celebrating for the next 12 months with Sam in the Hills.
Lot of very good analysis in past two days. Will give my own two cents worth tomorrow.
Good post DGael but think you are over estimating this intensity thing. Mayo will match ye in any intensity or physicality stakes. As for fouling don't expect Deegan to be as lenient as Goldrick was - ye got away with a lot of fouling v Cork. Until now everybody is caught up in hype about Donegal. Ye wont know ye're weaknesses and limitations until Sunday evening. By then it wil be too late.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
Good post DGael but think you are over estimating this intensity thing. Mayo will match ye in any intensity or physicality stakes. As for fouling don't expect Deegan to be as lenient as Goldrick was - ye got away with a lot of fouling v Cork. Until now everybody is caught up in hype about Donegal. Ye wont know ye're weaknesses and limitations until Sunday evening. By then it wil be too late.
Sligo played a similar system to Donegal this year in the Connaught final albeit with players of lesser ability and lesser physical size and conditioning and Mayo struggled big time. Sligo players swarmed around the man with the ball and Mayo invariably turned over the ball or rushed their shots.
A positive for Mayo is they have played against this type of system in this years championship and also that their defense was very disciplined in that they didn't lose their shape. Keith Higgins stayed in position in front of full forward line and is likely to play a similar role on Sunday. Another positive is Mayo didn't expect Sligo to play the way they did but know exactly Donegals tactics and should have a gameplan in place to counteract that.
Best of luck to my neighbours, Mayo on Sunday. I hope ye finally get the monkey off your back
I think that's they key against Donegal. You have to be patient, and you have to be economical with your shots. what you can't do is over commit going forward because if you get stranded on the wrong side of a Donegal counter attack you're going to be in big trouble, because they come forward in waves.
Mayo are fit, and maybe they can run with Donegal, but I doubt if that's a sustainable approach, so I'd be inclined to think they will have to kick points from 40 metres or so, to try and open up the Donegal defense and bring them out a bit. Then you can start feeding the inside men. But if Mayo half backs start attacking and soloing into trouble, or turning the ball over, it's a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: dlgael on September 17, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
Dia dhaoibh.
I've enjoyed reading this thread from the sublime to the ridiculous over the past 2 weeks or so.
Firstly, and very importantly I'd like to reiterate the huge amount of common ground shared between both Donegal and Mayo people. We've probably got more in common as people than Donegal do with some of their provincial compatriots and this is one reason I'm looking forward to Sunday. There simply isn't a single county in Ireland I'd rather lose a final to than Mayo.
Now to the football. O'Neill has had a good ould dig at the Mayo folk but his posts do register an admiration of Donegal 2012 which I welcome. In reality, I'd thought of posting on this and other forums in the lead up to the game over the past 2 weeks but there's been an abundance of bottom feeding around of late and it's difficult to try to have a debate around the finer points of next Sundays game. Of course, any debate about next Sunday serves only to whet the appetite and will have no bearing on proceedings but for what it's worth here's my 2c.
I think Donegal will win this game because they bring a level of intensity to the game of Gaelic football which no team in 2012 has been capable of dealing with. People will retort that I've bought into the hype but I'd consider myself a fairly well seasoned Gael and having watched Donegal in about 90% of their games to date the following ought to be noted.
1) League counts for nothing when measuring Donegal (they prepare for championship football)
2) The body shape of the entire panel (least so Michael Murphy) has changed dramatically over the past 12 months. Someone previously mentioned McFadden being well marked previously. I'd agree and retort that that was a very different Colm McFadden who could be man marked in that era by a very capable defender. Today I think it takes 2.
3) Donegal don't usually foul. It's become common knowledge that scoreable opportunities from free kicks are very few and far between against Donegal 2012. Look to the number of frees scored by Cork and Kerry in the previous two games for an example of this. To win this game Mayo will need to score regularly from play and not the placed ball.
4) Donegal have not peaked. In general I feel they've improved from game to game this year and expect them to continue this trend on Sunday. The performance v Cork was far from polished and righting the mistakes therein will have been the focus of some of the past 3 weeks.
5) I don't believe any team plays 6-2-6 any longer or at least those who do don't last long enough to be analysed. In my own circle of discussion we hope that Mayo employ a traditional system but I don't believe Mayo or James Horan to be naive enough to do so. From what I've seen of Mayo this year and that's been 3 out of the 4 games they've played they seem similar to Donegal in the deployment of their half forward line, foraging deep for dirty ball and breaking at pace.
Comparing footballers from one team to the other doesn't really do an awful lot of justice either. Murphy is due a big game, is something I've heard bandied about from time to time but he's already had a number of them this year to date. His ball winning ability, distribution, link play and eye for a score as well as natural footballing talent make him the complete package. If we could clone him we'd find room for at least another 3 of him in our starting 15. He's our captain because he's our best footballer, and analysis which discounts his performance isn't accurate in my opinion.
There is also some sentiment in this thread that Mayo's all ireland final experience could see them through. I'd be inclined to think this the case had they won any of the previous encounters. This game will most probably be won by the best team. If that is the case I expect I'll be celebrating for the next 12 months with Sam in the Hills.
County name change, one or two names and one word and tis all the one. Thats the fantastic thing that most experts and Donegal people have overlooked, their's a system to Mayo's play as well and its not that different to Donegals. There is one major difference in that Mayo appear to have two styles of play which they alternate, Donegal only appear to have one, albeit a very effective one. Handy to have a plan B though. Alot of this build up reminds me of the build up to the quarter finals last year, nobody "in the know" could possibly concieve anything but a savage batin for Mayo then.
1) League counts for nothing when measuring Mayo (they prepare for championship football)
2) The body shape of the entire panel (least so Aidan O'Shea) has changed dramatically over the past 12 months. Someone previously mentioned Dillon being well marked previously. I'd agree and retort that that was a very different Alan Dillon who could be man marked in that era by a very capable defender. Today I think it takes 2.
3) Mayo don't usually foul. It's become common knowledge that scoreable opportunities from free kicks are very few and far between against Mayo 2012. Look to the number of frees scored by Down and Dublin in the previous two games for an example of this. To win this game Donegal will need to score regularly from play and not the placed ball.
4) Mayo have not peaked. In general I feel they've improved from game to game this year and expect them to continue this trend on Sunday. The performance v Dublin was far from polished and righting the mistakes therein will have been the focus of some of the past 3 weeks.
5) I don't believe any team plays 6-2-6 any longer or at least those who do don't last long enough to be analysed. In my own circle of discussion we hope that Donegal employ their traditional system but I don't believe Donegal or the Messiah to be naive enough to do so. From what I've seen of Donegal this year and that's been 3 out of the 4 games they've played they seem similar to Donegal in the deployment of their half forward line, foraging deep for dirty ball and breaking at pace.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Have you much down on Donegal O'Neill? Is it just all your worldly goods or have you been getting a few loans and putting them down as well?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2012, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Have you much down on Donegal O'Neill? Is it just all your worldly goods or have you been getting a few loans and putting them down as well?
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Donegal confidence is born out of lack of understanding of what it takes to win an AI and a significant over estimation of their season so far. They beat ageing and slowing Tyrone Cork and Kerry teams. Sunday they will face a pacy and fit team that they will not dominate at midfield as they did v Cork. I expect we will be out of the blocks faster and we wll see what Donegal are made of ad they chase a 5 or 6 point lead
Overall we have the better players in 9/10 positions and to be honest I can't see us losing to an average enough over hyped outfit.
And Mayo have hardly beaten the cream of GAA on their way to the final - Leitrim and Sligo followed by a demoralised Down team and a Dublin team that was a poor shadow of the team that won the previous AI. Please explain how, all of a sudden, Mayo have now acquired a deep understanding of what it takes to win an AI?
There is no doubt that Donegal are the favorites going into this final and rightly so. They have taken the scalps of Cork and Kerry and were very impressive in the quality of their football and level of fitness.
Mayo have been very impressive in their scoring ability which they were not noted for in previous championships. They scored the highest score of the championship this year so far in beating Leitrim. The Mayo defence kept Dublin goalless. This is impressive in that Dublin scored two goals in every match to date bar the Laois match where they scored one.
I believe Donegal peaked in the Cork game. I believe Mayo have not peaked yet. Witness Aidan O'Shea coming off in the second half. Mind you he only came back in the second half of the Connacht final after a long injury. However Mayo are the team who can improve the most from their semifinal. If they can keep up the intensity of the first 50 minutes of the semifinal for the full 70 minutes of the final they will win. Not by much but by a goal......the one Donegal will not score!!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2012, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 05:58:23 PM
Can some fcuker from Mayo, just one, have a go and attempt to formulate a small tactical analysis as to how they can approach this and win it?
Who do you think will be your key men? Where are the Donegal weaknesses? What can you do that Kerry and Cork couldn't?
Even someone who isn't from Mayo but gives them a chance. And none of this cute hoorism of giving it a lash. McGuinness shites lashes.
Have you much down on Donegal O'Neill? Is it just all your worldly goods or have you been getting a few loans and putting them down as well?
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
I have 50 on mayo at 25-1 from the start of the year, I'd let them keep it in return for Sam
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Donegal confidence is born out of lack of understanding of what it takes to win an AI and a significant over estimation of their season so far. They beat ageing and slowing Tyrone Cork and Kerry teams. Sunday they will face a pacy and fit team that they will not dominate at midfield as they did v Cork. I expect we will be out of the blocks faster and we wll see what Donegal are made of ad they chase a 5 or 6 point lead
Overall we have the better players in 9/10 positions and to be honest I can't see us losing to an average enough over hyped outfit.
And Mayo have hardly beaten the cream of GAA on their way to the final - Leitrim and Sligo followed by a demoralised Down team and a Dublin team that was a poor shadow of the team that won the previous AI. Please explain how, all of a sudden, Mayo have now acquired a deep understanding of what it takes to win an AI?
Well we certainly have a deep understanding on how to lose All Ireland finals so maybe through this we have actually gained a deeper meaning of what it is to win All Irelands? ;) Although answering the question I just posed is probably as hard as answering " Are Mayo the worst side since Mayo to reach an All Ireland final?" . Too many variables and I have a load of work I have to pretend I'm doing at the moment so I'll leave it with you :)
You could say the same about Donegal, other than Kerry and Cork they've beaten nobody of note and Kerry were a pale shadow of themselves this year while Cork have never fulfilled their potential and only won an AI because they got a poor Down teammin the final.
Now, I'm not sure I believe what I just posted but anyone can labor beaten opponents with post event assessments. Mayo beat a good Dublin team trying to peak for september and to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
In the past 2 years both teams have achieved more or less the same so I can't see how someof ye ate dismissing mayo's chances out of hand.
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
In the past 2 years both teams have achieved more or less the same so I can't see how someof ye ate dismissing mayo's chances out of hand.
Coz the Sunday Game panelists said so and thats all about it
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2012, 07:49:24 AM
Jesus o'neill you put in some night last night trying to wind up the whole of mayo ;D
You would think that some would know better than rise to it
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
You could say the same about Donegal, other than Kerry and Cork they've beaten nobody of note and Kerry were a pale shadow of themselves this year while Cork have never fulfilled their potential and only won an AI because they got a poor Down teammin the final.
Now, I'm not sure I believe what I just posted but anyone can labor beaten opponents with post event assessments. Mayo beat a good Dublin team trying to peak for september and to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
In the past 2 years both teams have achieved more or less the same so I can't see how someof ye ate dismissing mayo's chances out of hand.
I posted this somewhere on the Dublin V Mayo thread and over on Mayo Gaa Blog when trying to explain some of the senstivity of Mayo posters towards being dismissed as genuine All Ireland contenders before that game and I think it might go some way to answering that bit I've highlighted in bold in your post ;
" A lot of my fellow county men appear to be getting revved up about the perceived slight on us from referees and the media in the run up to Sunday and from a Mayo perspective it does seem justified if a little futile. Maybe it's a way to release nerves but the most furious debate is between ourselves and it's framed by the ref/media is against us Vs stop whinging and get on with it brigades with very little in between!
The Ref debate reared it's ugly head due to the incompetence of the ref in the minor match at the weekend but in my personal opinion it was just Meath and Mayo's bad luck to have such a poor ref and doubly Mayo's bad luck to be on the end of such bad calls at the worst time in the match. Then again in my experience bad ref's generally make bad calls at the worst time in a match , it's essential to what makes them a bad ref and Meath could easily have been the receiving team of these calls on another day! So I think we can put the Ref is against debate down to current unfortunate events.
With regard to the media I don't think it's as straightforward. Some people referenced the reaction to the possibility of a Mayo win on the Sunday game as proof of a slight against us ,but I would dismiss this outright for the following reasons;
1) The Sunday game dismisses most counties and offers very little insight into anything let alone Mayo gaa.
2) On the panel last night Ciaran Whelan is the only one who ever offers any insight or analysis on what actually happens/might happen in games which references to current tactics/playing personal of the teams, ( while the rest fire out a couple of random stats and fire off the old cliche's about counties that you'd hear from manys a barstool late at night all over the country ) and he's hardly going to back anyone but he's own county (fair play to him for his honesty).
3) Tony Davis , God love him great player , sound man but couldn't analyse his way out of a wet brown paper bag (Just watch any of his analysis on RTE player to back up my statement)
So for these reasons I think we can drop the Sunday game from the argument.
I could go through a load of print journalists like Liam Hayes,Martin Breheny, Eugene Mcgee etc... but again they've had a go at manys a county one day and idolised them forever more when they win Sam. Well except maybe Hayes but I'm not sure if he likes any county, remember his attacks on Kerry a couple of years back
So another section of the media struck off the list of the enemies of Mayo but before you think it's all peace and love it gets interesting when we get to (in my mind) the more credible Gaa media.
I'm a big fan of the coverage on Off the Ball on Newstalk. Last night they had Anthony Moyles and Conor Deegan analysing the Cork Donegal match. What was interesting was what they said when the question of can Donegal be beaten in the final? Moyles started to talk about how Dublin would counteract them and immediately corrected himself by saying in his opinion Dublin would win the semi hence why he was using them in his analysis( Fair play to him). In fairness he did tip Dublin since the draw was made so I'd no argument there if being initially annoyed at his mistake. Then Connor Deegan admitted that he thought Dublin would win as well and proceeded to talk about how Dublin would react to Donegal in the final. Now what puzzled me was how had Mayo fallen so far behind Dublin and Donegal in the race for Sam? . How are Mayo rank outsiders in Sunday's match in the minds of two analysts who normally are very balanced in their predictions. In no way did they sound condescending or arrogant in the Spillane/Brolly mode.
I tried to think back to recent results to figure this one out but in our last league meeting with hammered the Dubs and our last championship meeting we were victorious as well so it's not a legacy thing as with say Mayo v Kerry. Also I took this years championship results and while we didn't have gruelling route to the semi we seemed to perform competently and the Dubs have had much the same route as ourselves , wining the games as expected but not shooting the lights out.Also Mayo had a good if up and down league, reaching the league final and beating Kerry in Croker along the way. Now I know the Dubs are reigning All Ireland champs but we did knock out Cork last year and only Kerry have retained the title since Cork did in 1990. So personally while the Dubs may be favourites it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could win on Sunday.
The crux of it I think is two things. Firstly it's the legacy of our Final losses. 89 and 96 aside we weren't at the races in the other three. We were dominated in 1997 start to finish and 04/06 we were wiped out. Secondly we have constantly come back year after year since 96 in the search for Sam. I think the legacy of our final flops and the familiarity of us being around the business end of the championship has built up a strange tolerance of us as in it's no suprise to see us in a semi final but sure they don't even come close to winning finals so let's see someone different for a change. This is where we differ from the Donegal story. Both teams have made huge strides under determined, young ,tactically aware and native managers since 2010 but Donegal haven't been in a final since they won it 1992. This gives the impression they have come from nowhere as opposed to us sliding into one place from our usual inevitable failure. This is why I think we have been subconsciously banished from the mind of pundits. Also I think we can now see where the source of frustration for Mayo supporters comes from in that we are handicapped from being able to show our immense pride in our county teams of the last 23 years because of the inevitable derision it attracts.
Does this mean we should be favourites for the Dublin match? No , but I think some of the above might go some way to explaining the debate and accusations that's been happening on Mayo related threads/blogs over the last couple of days.
The solution, unfortunately the only one is to go on and win the All Ireland and probably put in back to back titles to wipe out our own unusual legacy of near immortality reduced to laughing stock in the blink of an All Ireland final. But sure I'm a Mayo man I wouldn't have any it other way if I'm honest. Life is boring stuck at the top or stuck at the bottom it's the journey in between that's the most craic. ;D "
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Whoa there, Nelly, whoa!
I said meanest not tightest.
Any Donegal bucko who expects to savour the sweet taste of success on Sunday will find himself ingesting a few gobfuls of Croke Park soil before he knows what's hit him.
Mayo backs don't do prisoners- hostages maybe but no encumbrances of any sort.
Be forewarned! ;D
As a Mayo octogenarian, surely you see the value in downplaying your chances. You've experienced the downs too many times now.
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
You could say the same about Donegal, other than Kerry and Cork they've beaten nobody of note and Kerry were a pale shadow of themselves this year while Cork have never fulfilled their potential and only won an AI because they got a poor Down teammin the final.
Now, I'm not sure I believe what I just posted but anyone can labor beaten opponents with post event assessments. Mayo beat a good Dublin team trying to peak for september and to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
In the past 2 years both teams have achieved more or less the same so I can't see how someof ye ate dismissing mayo's chances out of hand.
Spot on Zulu and we have been just as effective in adopting our style of play. In the past year we have beaten Cork, Kerry and the Dubs in CJroke Park and in all of these games we have shown we can mix it and grind out results.
I have no problem with Donegal being talked up -better them than us. I would prefer to lose the favourites stakes and win the real thing. All this talking up of Donegal will make it twice as hard for them when they lose.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
You could say the same about Donegal, other than Kerry and Cork they've beaten nobody of note and Kerry were a pale shadow of themselves this year while Cork have never fulfilled their potential and only won an AI because they got a poor Down teammin the final.
Now, I'm not sure I believe what I just posted but anyone can labor beaten opponents with post event assessments. Mayo beat a good Dublin team trying to peak for september and to suggest otherwise is nonsense.
In the past 2 years both teams have achieved more or less the same so I can't see how someof ye ate dismissing mayo's chances out of hand.
Spot on Zulu and we have been just as effective in adopting our style of play. In the past year we have beaten Cork, Kerry and the Dubs in CJroke Park and in all of these games we have shown we can mix it and grind out results.
I have no problem with Donegal being talked up -better them than us. I would prefer to lose the favourites stakes and win the real thing. All this talking up of Donegal will make it twice as hard for them when they lose.
You have yourself convinced Mayo will win losing another final will be harder to take.
Quote from: dlgael on September 17, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
Dia dhaoibh.
I've enjoyed reading this thread from the sublime to the ridiculous over the past 2 weeks or so.
Firstly, and very importantly I'd like to reiterate the huge amount of common ground shared between both Donegal and Mayo people. We've probably got more in common as people than Donegal do with some of their provincial compatriots and this is one reason I'm looking forward to Sunday. There simply isn't a single county in Ireland I'd rather lose a final to than Mayo.
Now to the football. O'Neill has had a good ould dig at the Mayo folk but his posts do register an admiration of Donegal 2012 which I welcome. In reality, I'd thought of posting on this and other forums in the lead up to the game over the past 2 weeks but there's been an abundance of bottom feeding around of late and it's difficult to try to have a debate around the finer points of next Sundays game. Of course, any debate about next Sunday serves only to whet the appetite and will have no bearing on proceedings but for what it's worth here's my 2c.
I think Donegal will win this game because they bring a level of intensity to the game of Gaelic football which no team in 2012 has been capable of dealing with. People will retort that I've bought into the hype but I'd consider myself a fairly well seasoned Gael and having watched Donegal in about 90% of their games to date the following ought to be noted.
1) League counts for nothing when measuring Donegal (they prepare for championship football)
2) The body shape of the entire panel (least so Michael Murphy) has changed dramatically over the past 12 months. Someone previously mentioned McFadden being well marked previously. I'd agree and retort that that was a very different Colm McFadden who could be man marked in that era by a very capable defender. Today I think it takes 2.
3) Donegal don't usually foul. It's become common knowledge that scoreable opportunities from free kicks are very few and far between against Donegal 2012. Look to the number of frees scored by Cork and Kerry in the previous two games for an example of this. To win this game Mayo will need to score regularly from play and not the placed ball.
4) Donegal have not peaked. In general I feel they've improved from game to game this year and expect them to continue this trend on Sunday. The performance v Cork was far from polished and righting the mistakes therein will have been the focus of some of the past 3 weeks.
5) I don't believe any team plays 6-2-6 any longer or at least those who do don't last long enough to be analysed. In my own circle of discussion we hope that Mayo employ a traditional system but I don't believe Mayo or James Horan to be naive enough to do so. From what I've seen of Mayo this year and that's been 3 out of the 4 games they've played they seem similar to Donegal in the deployment of their half forward line, foraging deep for dirty ball and breaking at pace.
Comparing footballers from one team to the other doesn't really do an awful lot of justice either. Murphy is due a big game, is something I've heard bandied about from time to time but he's already had a number of them this year to date. His ball winning ability, distribution, link play and eye for a score as well as natural footballing talent make him the complete package. If we could clone him we'd find room for at least another 3 of him in our starting 15. He's our captain because he's our best footballer, and analysis which discounts his performance isn't accurate in my opinion.
There is also some sentiment in this thread that Mayo's all ireland final experience could see them through. I'd be inclined to think this the case had they won any of the previous encounters. This game will most probably be won by the best team. If that is the case I expect I'll be celebrating for the next 12 months with Sam in the Hills.
Dia dhuit agus failte DlGael.
(1) X. Name a county from division 2,3, thats participated in an AI in the last 20 years,or a semi finalist not in div 1.Donegal fought for and retained div one status,vital to be playing top teams in the country from word go,anything else would presume an arrogance,Mc and Doney dont do that.
(2) +1.Very true but their no fitter.You,d be right about McF for lesser counties but yer talkn Mayo,one man will do that.
(3)+half.Dont foul! :Dbut mayo have the 40 yard kickers on the ground or in play to do this,and sittin back on a tiny lead is one thing but chase the game and leave us space at your peril.
(4)x. I thought they were outstanding against cork and never looked in trouble once,might be said that cork and short passes from the back played completely into yere hands though rather than usin their highball up the field or wing to thier giants,they bamboozeled themselves by changing their style of play and donegal sure made them pay.Mayo wont do that.
(5)+1.Spot on,6-2-6 is a long time dead
(Murphy)+1. Damn right.I beleive its only imbecile pundits who havent kicked a ball in donkeys who not seeing Murf on the score sheet question his form.Hes fantastic,and every game is a big game for ye with him doin the work he does,and can you clone 6 of him and give us 2,sure I think(might be wrong) he has some Mayo heritage anyway ;D
Great lot in common betwixt us both culturally.We cut the path ta london,glascow an new york,ye came and sured up the job,handed on to na connemara who promptly escorted the rest o the Irish in,so in accordance with only real and secret "North Atlantic Treaty",keepn that order,ye give us the nod on sunday and we,ll keep tradition and not defend the title giving ye the nod same time next year,what says ya.All best on sunday, wheter or which ;)have ta go,wife at the door and im supposed to be doin me homework ;D
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I think we're in for clinker. Both counties are capable of posting decent scores from all over the field. You'll have 28 players covering every blade of grass if needs be. Donegal have scored some fine team goals this year. Overall I can see this final creating the same emotions experienced at a typical ladies game. You know the standard will be below average and there'll be some laugh out loud moments but you'll come away thinking that was enjoyable. It's refreshing and gives hope to all counties no matter their ability.
The build-up should be interesting anyway as I get the sense that both sets of supporters are relatively confident of victory which is often not the case in an All-Ireland final. There is no large Kerry shaped shadow looming over the final which would implant seeds of doubts amongst many opposition fans straight away.
Expect increased giddyness in the days ahead.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I think we're in for clinker. Both counties are capable of posting decent scores from all over the field. You'll have 28 players covering every blade of grass if needs be. Donegal have scored some fine team goals this year. Overall I can see this final creating the same emotions experienced at a typical ladies game. You know the standard will be below average and there'll be some laugh out loud moments but you'll come away thinking that was enjoyable. It's refreshing and gives hope to all counties no matter their ability.
sounds like there is some bitterness in Owensland that they are hasbeens
Quote from: ludermor on September 17, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2012, 07:49:24 AM
Jesus o'neill you put in some night last night trying to wind up the whole of mayo ;D
You would think that some would know better than rise to it
Ach no Ludemor,as tensions mount and nerves rise for The Heather and The O Donnel ls this thread will need a whippin boy to unleash the odd bit of spleen and theres no better Asal than that one,fair fecks to him. ;)
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I think we're in for clinker. Both counties are capable of posting decent scores from all over the field. You'll have 28 players covering every blade of grass if needs be. Donegal have scored some fine team goals this year. Overall I can see this final creating the same emotions experienced at a typical ladies game. You know the standard will be below average and there'll be some laugh out loud moments but you'll come away thinking that was enjoyable. It's refreshing and gives hope to all counties no matter their ability.
Hmmmmmm.... Interesting, gently poking the Donegal lads too so as to extract maxium wind up response later on in the week! Also skillful use of the token compliment wrapped up in a good few decisive insults. ;) I think you are putting yourself into to position for wind up player of the year as well to go along with your wind up Allstar ;D
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Whoa there, Nelly, whoa!
I said meanest not tightest.
Any Donegal bucko who expects to savour the sweet taste of success on Sunday will find himself ingesting a few gobfuls of Croke Park soil before he knows what's hit him.
Mayo backs don't do prisoners- hostages maybe but no encumbrances of any sort.
Be forewarned! ;D
As a Mayo octogenarian, surely you see the value in downplaying your chances. You've experienced the downs too many times now.
Jeez Lar,I didnt know ya had 8 arms,any chance ya stickin on a jersey and suring up midfield for us on sunday. ;D
Experienced Downs twice this year,lost one won one ;)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
Never mind that - stick 90 on Mayo @ 3.15 and you're 190 beans up regardless :)
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 17, 2012, 07:13:24 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 16, 2012, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 16, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 16, 2012, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 15, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: cadence on September 15, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
drunken post, so apologies for the common sense...
i think this game will be a belter. we have two team who are very different from one another. wee're the counter attacking crowd and mayo tend to play a more open game. mayo forwards as a unit have kicked some great scores to date, whereas we've upon the bandstand crew but also our counterattackers. very drunk but this is fact. haha.
You were doin great there for the first half of that bottle of donegal mountain dew cadence,but i lost ya for the econd half ofth buideal :D.go ta bed Cadence ;D
;D it's my first druken post here.... i'm quite proud of myself! feeling naw too bad today either. needed to get some drink training in for the trip over to dublin so last night's run out will do me no harm.
as an observation, first half of donegal mountain dew goes down easily enough. it's when the second half kicks in that reality starts to bite.
:)Im proud of ya too cadence,fierce strong stuff that donegal montain dew,shared a bottle recently with 2 aranmore men and a dunloe lad,we nearly built a boat to go back an take the country by storm but we couldnt find an axe thank god.Ye as well as ourselves might be needing that trainin for a few years to come yet,feck the rest of the country.Any chance of sendin us ore a wee drop ;)(trade secret,drink the bottom half o the bottle first an y,ell be sound ;D
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
Im gonna see and raise ya C,I,ll give ya four tickets for four bottles.
Bring a jumper!their for leabgarra ferry in 1st week a november.God damn Doney men and their mountain dew,the only thing worse than than postin drunk,is makin a solemn agreement with Tir Conallites in da same condition or callin yer wife at three in da mornin and tellin her yer late coz ya had to help robinhood or spiderman fight crime.Ach eist,your donegal agus mise mayo,the one thing we do well to world wide acclaim is dig tunnels,your 4buideals and my shovels, jones road midnight saturday 22,what says ya. ;D
;D
i don't fly in until sunday morning, but if you get her started i'll bring the air spade and a muck board and we'll skip the breakfast and horse into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsko1YqkM
;D sound,on me way you bring the teabags :D .Thats a great we video too,good find,have look at it again though,that mans capeen seems to have a life of its own,like he has a pet frog or somethin underneath or am i seein things :D
think that vid was posted on here is where i first seen it. he is as pissed as a frog i think, if that's possible. good luck sunday!
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 14, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
I attended the 1992 All-Ireland semi-final between these two counties and I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money in my life - it cost 3 punts to stand on the hill. The "football" played was shocking, but I fear this year's final will be worse.
I think we're in for clinker. Both counties are capable of posting decent scores from all over the field. You'll have 28 players covering every blade of grass if needs be. Donegal have scored some fine team goals this year. Overall I can see this final creating the same emotions experienced at a typical ladies game. You know the standard will be below average and there'll be some laugh out loud moments but you'll come away thinking that was enjoyable. It's refreshing and gives hope to all counties no matter their ability.
Sure it was Donegal in 1992 that gave hope to all Ulster teams and look where that took you . I think it's going to be a shi*te match with us winning by 8 points to 7.
well, we kinda know one thing for sure about both counties, which is that each have become astute practitioners of modern gaelic. that's down to the managers, who have got players playing in ways that is constantly at the cusp of becoming something better and improved. tactics change and players have to adapt to what is prescribed which is created by what has happened before and what is needed to improve. and so it's difficult to predict how it will pan out. as the dude says... This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Whoa there, Nelly, whoa!
I said meanest not tightest.
Any Donegal bucko who expects to savour the sweet taste of success on Sunday will find himself ingesting a few gobfuls of Croke Park soil before he knows what's hit him.
Mayo backs don't do prisoners- hostages maybe but no encumbrances of any sort.
Be forewarned! ;D
As a Mayo octogenarian, surely you see the value in downplaying your chances. You've experienced the downs too many times now.
Bejaysus, O'Neill, I read the first two words and lost me way after that.
Which of us is the "Mayo octogenarian?" I've a good few years to go yet before I can even think about getting a bus pass so it can't be me. You're not an octo etc. from Mayo by any chance?
Given the sheer volume of shite you usually manage to squeeze into a single sentence, you could qualify on both counts.
Like I say, it's hard to make out if you're giving me advice here or recounting your own doleful experiences.
Be that as it may, I've some observations to pass along to you to help you better understand the Mayo psyche. Like everyone else on this planet, Mayo people have their downs. But whatever the reason for falling, we never stay down for long. We always bounce back and Sunday will be no exception.
We'll back away from no man and from very few women and that's for sure.
KEEP THE FAITH!
(And we'll be back next year also to defend our title; so there!) :o
Mayo final defeats: 16 21 32 48 89 96 97 04 06
Mayo champions: 36 50 51
Trying to find a pattern here.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 08:54:59 PM
Mayo final defeats: 16 21 32 48 89 96 97 04 06
Mayo champions: 36 50 51
Trying to find a pattern here.
I'm trying to find the time Tyrone won 2 in a row.
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/A3BM6duCUAAA965-580x679.jpg)
Great supplement cover from the Mayo News alright.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 17, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
Never mind that - stick 90 on Mayo @ 3.15 and you're 190 beans up regardless :)
Legend. Done in the morn!
Jesus tickets are like hens teeth . Just got one in my lamha it's for the hill but truth be told if i was told it was on for on top of the roof of the stand i'd have taken it. There is something really special about the build up to the Ai final and this year is even better. Mayo and donegal people have a lot in common ,very similiar personalties don't take life too serious,enjoy the banter and the craic both have been hit by emigration over the years and i'm sure many will be coming home for Sunday.It should be special.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 10:56:57 PM
Excellent. One point - Mayo's meanest defence - in the All-Ireland series - 2-9 and 0-16 against. That 0-16 also included 2 great goal chances for the opposition. Outside of their provincial run (Leitrim and Sligo) I don't buy that. In the league 0-17 against Donegal, 1-13 against Down, 0-14 against Cork, 1-12 against Kerry, 2-10 against Coark again. Seems average.
Whoa there, Nelly, whoa!
I said meanest not tightest.
Any Donegal bucko who expects to savour the sweet taste of success on Sunday will find himself ingesting a few gobfuls of Croke Park soil before he knows what's hit him.
Mayo backs don't do prisoners- hostages maybe but no encumbrances of any sort.
Be forewarned! ;D
As a Mayo octogenarian, surely you see the value in downplaying your chances. You've experienced the downs too many times now.
Bejaysus, O'Neill, I read the first two words and lost me way after that.
Which of us is the "Mayo octogenarian?" I've a good few years to go yet before I can even think about getting a bus pass so it can't be me. You're not an octo etc. from Mayo by any chance?
Given the sheer volume of shite you usually manage to squeeze into a single sentence, you could qualify on both counts.
Like I say, it's hard to make out if you're giving me advice here or recounting your own doleful experiences.
Be that as it may, I've some observations to pass along to you to help you better understand the Mayo psyche. Like everyone else on this planet, Mayo people have their downs. But whatever the reason for falling, we never stay down for long. We always bounce back and Sunday will be no exception.
We'll back away from no man and from very few women and that's for sure.
KEEP THE FAITH!
(And we'll be back next year also to defend our title; so there!) :o
;D Love that sentence Lar ;)
Good man yourself Deel. I hope all the gaaboard regulars from both counties get sorted.
Anybody care to speculate about selections?
I believe Horan has a decision to make in the half back line but I expect him to keep it on even keel there with the same again - even though I think we could be walking into a haymaker of our own making there. After the semi, Barrett and Richie would be entitled to wonder a bit but then again it s a 20 (at least) man thing. Hopefully Richie will have recovered anyway and while he s done enough to start I d agree with holding him because he seems to know what is required when introduced.
It appears that McGarrity's comeback attempt has not worked out and he won t be in the reckoning. Fair play to him for putting in the work to try to get there and it must be a huge disappointment. Respect for his efforts in the squad.
Seamie O Sé and Jason Gibbons looked grand against Dubs it has to be said. We can freshen things up there.
Was Danny Geraghty used the last day moysider? I don't think he was. He's another buck you could throw in to hammer away at the likes of Donegal's midfielders.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
Good man yourself Deel. I hope all the gaaboard regulars from both counties get sorted.
Cheers Deelin are you heading up for the 7 a side on Saturday ?
I'll be along for the Crokes 7s. If anyone's there say do come over and say hi.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
Good man yourself Deel. I hope all the gaaboard regulars from both counties get sorted.
Cheers Deelin are you heading up for the 7 a side on Saturday ?
What time do they start at?
Sunday will bring Donegal into unfamiliar territory. First AI for all their players and first time this year playing a team who will not be spooked by them. Up to now all the teams Donegal played have become obsessed with how to beat the Donegal system and have been psyched out of it by McGuiness. On Sunday McGuiness will have to think how does he beat us knowing that we won't fall into the trap of setting up our team out of fear of Donegal.
Cork and Kerry both had poorish half back lines (Brosnan was a big loss to Kerry)which made the counter attacking game easier and the Cork midfield did not function. I expect we will at least break even at midfield, will stem the counter attacks well out the field and our forwards will test the Donegal defence with more direct running than they are used to. Our FB has been brilliant all year and I can't see us conceding much more than 9 or 10 scores. Expect a final score of 2-11 to 1-9 or something like that for us and maybe more as Donegal will leave gaps when they are chasing the game.
Can only see one result – pity it's Donegal we have to beat as we have much in common but no room for sentiment.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
Was Danny Geraghty used the last day moysider? I don't think he was. He's another buck you could throw in to hammer away at the likes of Donegal's midfielders.
No he wasn t but he was in the 26. Carolan was as well.
Donegal s midfield is the best we ll have met. Gallagher is the alpha male midfielder in the country now imo. O Sé was missing in Ballyshannon but Gallaghers display was still scary. The Cork monobrows in midfield didn t compete well. Mind you post match analysis on that game seems to have neglected how badly Cork approached that game in general - from selection, tactics, attitude. Manager sitting down with his head in his hands said it all.
Mayo will win I reckon and I hope they do to. Just a warning to everyone to avoid the n4 this weekend. With the Donegal boy racers and the mayo lads unable to use indicators it could be a dangerous place to be.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 17, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
Never mind that - stick 90 on Mayo @ 3.15 and you're 190 beans up regardless :)
Legend. Done in the morn!
Be sure and back in the "Winner" market rather than the "Match Odds" market - you don't want to get screwed by a draw!
Will Doc keep his place? Out from that massive point, he was poor enough the last day
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 17, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 17, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 17, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
I put 20 euro on Donegal at 14/1 in February >:(......paddy power can keep it
Never mind that - stick 90 on Mayo @ 3.15 and you're 190 beans up regardless :)
Legend. Done in the morn!
Be sure and back in the "Winner" market rather than the "Match Odds" market - you don't want to get screwed by a draw!
Will Doc keep his place? Out from that massive point, he was poor enough the last day
I dont think there ll be any change. People are moaning about Jason alright but I think he s trying to do a job that he s been asked to do - and probably doin it as well as anybody else in panel could. Sure he s no no. 11 ( O Connor could be something of a traditional 11) but no way is Horan going to play McLoughlin or Dillon there and he s right. I ve had this out before with Tyr- wats his name? We don t play an 11. The only reason Doc is at 11 instead of Feeney or another defender is that he is preferable to get on the end of things. Don t forget that as well as all the ball breaking covering he was doing he could have buried a goal as well as taking that point. We have to accept that whoever is playing at 11 is going to be a water carrier. If he gets on end of things it is a bonus. Horan must have loved that point by Doc.
(http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/28442/Donegal.jpg)
Quote from: drici on September 17, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
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always like a good supplement, when are they out this week, is the irish news doing their usual big splash?
I feel sorry for Ronan as well, it's hard to believe he's dropped to sixth choice midfielder this year. However fair play to him for sticking in there as part of the panel and on the off chance that there are winners medals being distributed around the squad this weekend he is as deserving of one as any of them.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
Sunday will bring Donegal into unfamiliar territory. First AI for all their players and first time this year playing a team who will not be spooked by them. Up to now all the teams Donegal played have become obsessed with how to beat the Donegal system and have been psyched out of it by McGuiness. On Sunday McGuiness will have to think how does he beat us knowing that we won't fall into the trap of setting up our team out of fear of Donegal.
Cork and Kerry both had poorish half back lines (Brosnan was a big loss to Kerry)which made the counter attacking game easier and the Cork midfield did not function. I expect we will at least break even at midfield, will stem the counter attacks well out the field and our forwards will test the Donegal defence with more direct running than they are used to. Our FB has been brilliant all year and I can't see us conceding much more than 9 or 10 scores. Expect a final score of 2-11 to 1-9 or something like that for us and maybe more as Donegal will leave gaps when they are chasing the game.
Can only see one result – pity it's Donegal we have to beat as we have much in common but no room for sentiment.
I have to say for a County that have suffered so badly in the past I admire your blind optimism. I think you're completely wrong btw but fair play to you for getting so up for the game.
If Mayo do somehow win this game on Sunday I would be more than happy for them as I feel the County deserve it having been so close on a number of occasions. Best of luck to ye!!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on September 17, 2012, 11:50:59 PM
I feel sorry for Ronan as well, it's hard to believe he's dropped to sixth choice midfielder this year. However fair play to him for sticking in there as part of the panel and on the off chance that there are winners medals being distributed around the squad this weekend he is as deserving of one as any of them.
He should be in his prime now as a midfielder and a dominant force like Gallagher but his illness took away his mature years when he would have come into his own. He has not been able to get back to the level. Not without trying it has to be said.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 17, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
Good man yourself Deel. I hope all the gaaboard regulars from both counties get sorted.
Cheers Deelin are you heading up for the 7 a side on Saturday ?
Did you get your ticket from the club? Saw a couple of lads on twitter giving out about the number (and location) of the tickets received. They were comparing with the Donegal club allocation reported in the Donegal Democrat (I think)
cadence
i'll swap you a bottle for a ticket!
[/quote]Im gonna see and raise ya C,I,ll give ya four tickets for four bottles.
Bring a jumper!their for leabgarra ferry in 1st week a november.God damn Doney men and their mountain dew,the only thing worse than than postin drunk,is makin a solemn agreement with Tir Conallites in da same condition or callin yer wife at three in da mornin and tellin her yer late coz ya had to help robinhood or spiderman fight crime.Ach eist,your donegal agus mise mayo,the one thing we do well to world wide acclaim is dig tunnels,your 4buideals and my shovels, jones road midnight saturday 22,what says ya. ;D
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;D
i don't fly in until sunday morning, but if you get her started i'll bring the air spade and a muck board and we'll skip the breakfast and horse into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsko1YqkM
[/quote] ;D sound,on me way you bring the teabags :D .Thats a great we video too,good find,have look at it again though,that mans capeen seems to have a life of its own,like he has a pet frog or somethin underneath or am i seein things :D
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think that vid was posted on here is where i first seen it. he is as pissed as a frog i think, if that's possible. good luck sunday!
[/quote]Of course it is but are ya talkin bout the musician,the frog under his hat,my watchin of it,your postin of it or a frenchman ;D ;D
and good luck ta yourselves too and safe trip.
footnote;did ya pick up your tickets london side or home,only enquirin as moyside demand has gone crazy so id rather have a look this side through old teammates/clubs and what not than add to the frenzy,any ideas?wahoo
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2012, 11:01:38 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
Was Danny Geraghty used the last day moysider? I don't think he was. He's another buck you could throw in to hammer away at the likes of Donegal's midfielders.
No he wasn t but he was in the 26. Carolan was as well.
Donegal s midfield is the best we ll have met. Gallagher is the alpha male midfielder in the country now imo. O Sé was missing in Ballyshannon but Gallaghers display was still scary. The Cork monobrows in midfield didn t compete well. Mind you post match analysis on that game seems to have neglected how badly Cork approached that game in general - from selection, tactics, attitude. Manager sitting down with his head in his hands said it all.
+1 moysider.I thought counihan got away with an awful gameplan,i,d say the majority of corkonians must have been well dissapointed in that effort.
Quote from: drici on September 17, 2012, 11:24:42 PM
(http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/28442/Donegal.jpg)
Jeez,great bit a work there,anyone near the reek this mornin,we shouldnt take this lying down,we have to counter ;D
Seeing as the Minor Final doesn't have it's own thread it seems best to lob this in here. My tactical take on Sunday's undercard http://action81.com/blog/?p=6194
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 17, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
Sunday will bring Donegal into unfamiliar territory. First AI for all their players and first time this year playing a team who will not be spooked by them. Up to now all the teams Donegal played have become obsessed with how to beat the Donegal system and have been psyched out of it by McGuiness. On Sunday McGuiness will have to think how does he beat us knowing that we won't fall into the trap of setting up our team out of fear of Donegal.
Cork and Kerry both had poorish half back lines (Brosnan was a big loss to Kerry)which made the counter attacking game easier and the Cork midfield did not function. I expect we will at least break even at midfield, will stem the counter attacks well out the field and our forwards will test the Donegal defence with more direct running than they are used to. Our FB has been brilliant all year and I can't see us conceding much more than 9 or 10 scores. Expect a final score of 2-11 to 1-9 or something like that for us and maybe more as Donegal will leave gaps when they are chasing the game.
Can only see one result – pity it's Donegal we have to beat as we have much in common but no room for sentiment.
Blindly optimistic is the best way to be during the week leading up to the All Ireland final, Mayo Mick. But to pick holes in Donegal through pointing out weaknesses in the opposition is a pointless exercise as I could pick plenty of holes in Leitrim, Sligo, Down and Dublin. And if your confidence is built around Mayo not being "spooked" by Donegal, therefore Donegal will not know how to handle that -then I'd seriously doubt the foundations on which you base your logic. Also, I think we have all seen Mayo teams get spooked in AI finals before.
Mayo collapsed against Dublin and nearly threw away a 10 point lead in 20 minutes - a similar collapse on Sunday and they are gone. Donegal so far have been superb this season and have systematically broken down every team they have played - i fully expect this to happen on Sunday. But then, it is the All Ireland Final and anything can happen. Lets hope its a great game!
How do the Donegal folks feel about the extra tenner being lobbed onto the tickets?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
From a neutral point of view, I cant see anything other than a Donegal win here.
Say what you want about the quality of Mayo (who I fancied to beat Dublin) but they wont have met anything like this Donegal side.
The sheer fitness and strength of this team can not be fully understood until you see it first hand. I've never seen a fitter side.
Add to that their game plan, which won't change one bit for Mayo, and the fact that they have some of the best defenders, midfielders and forwards in the country points to this perhaps being a one sided affair.
I have a lot of time for Mayo and Donegal, and would like to see them both win an AI, but I think on this occasion it's Donegal's to lose.
Donegal by 5+.
Quote from: Declan on September 18, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
How do the Donegal folks feel about the extra tenner being lobbed onto the tickets?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
It's a fiver. And I think it's fair enough. At least they are not demanding €2 from all national school children like other counties ;)
I doubt I'm the only one reading every shred of paper with an article on the match, it'll cost me more than the ticket at this rate.
On the team selection, I think Barrett will be out and Boyle back in and that's that. I wouldn't have Feeney anywhere near the half back line, if he comes on it'll have to be in the HF line as a sweeper.
The Donegal lads that I know are confident but don't want to say flatout that they think they'll win handy. They look at how they've blown teams away between 40-50 mins in every match and how we almost blew a 10 point lead and adding 2 and 2 get a reasonable 4.
Where my hope and optimism lie is that this is our strongest time too, we targeted it against Dublin and blew the lights out for 15 minutes. Fair enough we lost McLoughlin and Keegan and our scramble play at midfield fell to pieces without them but hopefully we'll have them on the-field the next day.
What happens if on 50-55 mins Donegal being used to having a 5-6 point lead at this point, find themselves down? They can't retreat into their ultra defensive formation as they have done against Kerry & Cork? And they can't afford to wait it out and play the slow game, tick-tock lads? For me this is the key to the whole match and it's been both teams biggest strengths, quarter three is where they both done damage.
QuoteWhat happens if on 50-55 mins Donegal being used to having a 5-6 point lead at this point, find themselves down? They can't retreat into their ultra defensive formation as they have done against Kerry & Cork? And they can't afford to wait it out and play the slow game, tick-tock lads? For me this is the key to the whole match and it's been both teams biggest strengths, quarter three is where they both done damage.
Spot on M4S. So far Donegal have got themselves into a position where they have a 4/5 point lead and they know how to defent that and hit teams on the break - the early lucky goal v Kerry gave them the ideal cushion. My feeling is that we will match them and facing in to the last 10/12 minutes they will not have a cushion. If they have to come out of their shell we have the players to hit them on the counter attack - our performance in the 10 minutes either side of half time v Dublin showed what we can do in a short period. As for the "collapse" v Dublin I would see this as a blessing - players and management will have learned from it. More important we recovered and could have scored a couple of goals in last 5 minutes.
QuoteBut to pick holes in Donegal through pointing out weaknesses in the opposition is a pointless exercise as I could pick plenty of holes in Leitrim, Sligo, Down and Dublin
Was just pointing out BH that some media hype around Donegal did not take account of opposition weaknesses (including management). On the other hand after our game v Dublin most discussion was around Dublin's failings. Likewise our win v Down was discounted on the basis that Down were very poor.
Looking at our development over the past 2 years I believe there is an edge and a hardness around this Mayo team that has not been there before and that those outside the county will only appreciate on Sunday. Can't see us missing this great chance to bring Sam back.
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2012, 10:27:16 PM
Anybody care to speculate about selections?
I believe Horan has a decision to make in the half back line but I expect him to keep it on even keel there with the same again - even though I think we could be walking into a haymaker of our own making there. After the semi, Barrett and Richie would be entitled to wonder a bit but then again it s a 20 (at least) man thing. Hopefully Richie will have recovered anyway and while he s done enough to start I d agree with holding him because he seems to know what is required when introduced.
It appears that McGarrity's comeback attempt has not worked out and he won t be in the reckoning. Fair play to him for putting in the work to try to get there and it must be a huge disappointment. Respect for his efforts in the squad.
Seamie O Sé and Jason Gibbons looked grand against Dubs it has to be said. We can freshen things up there.
Of course I would. Happy to oblige, as always! :D
Straight off, I can't see JH making any changes in personnel unless they are forced upon him by injuries or dramatic loss of form in training. You'll recall that he chopped and changed at will during the league but since the championships began, he has stuck with the same lineup as far as possible.
One of my (many, many) problems with Johnno was that he could never decide on what would be his preferred fifteen. Andy, BJP and Trevor were in danger of losing their ammatuer status as travellers as he horsed them about. BJ played in every line on the team and neither the player nor the team benefitted from this musical chairs exercise.
The biggest problem with that approach was that few if any players felt confident of holding their places let alone settling in and developing their play. Naturally, their main concern was to ensure they made the least number of mistakes and began to shirk responsibility.
2010 was my annus horribilis; I never saw worse displays from a Mayo team in the 50 or so years that I've been following my much-beloved county.
JH has learnt from the mistakes of his predecessor and picks the best players to fit into his game plan- whatever that may be.
As a consequence, there are a few on the bench with reasonable grounds to feel aggrieved. Teamwork takes priority over individualism.
Therefore, I expect him to put out the same fifteen that started against Dublin- if all are declared to play. I expect there will be a few match ups but in the main, Mayo will opt to play their own game and leave it up to Donegal to to match them if they can.
U expect Barrett to be in instead of Boyle Lar?
Nice article in the times today...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0918/1224324119569.html
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2012, 10:54:06 AM
U expect Barrett to be in instead of Boyle Lar?
Not if Boyle is deemed fit enough to play.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 18, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
Nice article in the times today...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0918/1224324119569.html
Ya boy ya - the big time.... about time!
Christ not the "XX years of hurt" shite again, save us
Sorry to break my original promise.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
If you don't want those two tickets, can I have them please? DM me - I'll drive up and everything, no bother. Just give me a shout.
You seem like a reasonable chap, but unfortunately there are two reasons why I can't offer you the tickets.
Firstly, they are through work. Two come to the school each year and they are only offered to members of staff. There is a bit of a queue or pecking order, so when I didn't take them, they are offered to next in line. They will always be used by someone in the school.
Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that you should never ask someone to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself and hence I could not in all conscience offer them to anyone else. If I am not prepared to sit through the game, neither should I expect anyone else to. I couldn't forgive myself if something untoward happened you.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 15, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
I feel your pain Saffron . I did the same as you when Antrim played in the hurling Final only difference was there was no gaa board to put up my comments can't recall exactly what i did that day probably footed some turf or something.
I had no idea what 'footed some turf' meant, so I asked a culchie in work. He says there was little chance you'd be footing turf in September, they should have been well won by then, hi. On the off chance that you were, I can only hope you were still footing them two weeks later as, IIRC, the beaten football finalists that year weren't overly clever either.
Sorted with a ticket, bring it on
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/Syferus/oharasofmayo.jpg)
It's even infected me bread now.
Anyone hear this? Sicken your hole if it's true.
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Hard to believe that, especially If he is a county footballer
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 18, 2012, 03:10:06 PM
Hard to believe that, especially If he is a county footballer
Exactly. I hope it's a spoof, but I have a feeling it's not.
What would equally sicken your hole is the amount of ppl I've heard who have tickets who couldn't give 2 shites about the match but are just going for the day out. Still don't have a ticket, 10 good enough leads and not a peep from any of the yet. Won't panic until 3pm Sunday though. Keep the faith.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 18, 2012, 03:11:22 PM
What would equally sicken your hole is the amount of ppl I've heard who have tickets who couldn't give 2 shites about the match but are just going for the day out. Still don't have a ticket, 10 good enough leads and not a peep from any of the yet. Won't panic until 3pm Sunday though. Keep the faith.
Keep the faith ballina, something will turn out. But yeh I know what u mean about wankers going that wouldn't watch a match if it was down in the field behind the house,
Quote from: ballinaman on September 18, 2012, 03:11:22 PM
What would equally sicken your hole is the amount of ppl I've heard who have tickets who couldn't give 2 shites about the match but are just going for the day out. Still don't have a ticket, 10 good enough leads and not a peep from any of the yet. Won't panic until 3pm Sunday though. Keep the faith.
If all else fails, you could try Kennedys or Fagans on Sunday morning. I got tickets by going there in '89. '96 and '97. I haven't tried my luck since then but I'm told those pubs are still a good place to be before the game starts.
Of course, there's no guarantee whatsoever that you'll be lucky but I was offered tickets at face value on each occasion. I didn't even need to ask for them. I damn well would have mugged a granny if I was forced to but the ned never arose.
It seems lots of people come to town who've put out leads, like you have done, and some can find themselves with more than they need. Obviously, there will be far more there seeking tickets than offering them but, if all else fails, it might be worth stroll down the road.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2012, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 18, 2012, 03:10:06 PM
Hard to believe that, especially If he is a county footballer
Exactly. I hope it's a spoof, but I have a feeling it's not.
Probably not. There's someone on ebay.ie right now offering two stand tickets for €720.
It's the county footballer bit that disappoints me. For a lad like that to be touting is a sad thing.
So the club in Dublin has 2 tickets and 6 people looking for them. Competition goes as follows:
Pick a number between 3-99, the first two balls out on the euro millions tonite will be added together and the two closest to it get the tickets.
What number do ye pick?
I was offere two premium level tickets yesterday for €120 each, I said no
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
So the club in Dublin has 2 tickets and 6 people looking for them. Competition goes as follows:
Pick a number between 3-99, the first two balls out on the euro millions tonite will be added together and the two closest to it get the tickets.
What number do ye pick?
I was offere two premium level tickets yesterday for €120 each, I said no
you should have taken them as the price of a premium level ticket is €150.00 so you could have sold them at face value and made a €60.00 profit!
How do u make out premium level tickets are €150 GC?
that's the price of them. i know because i paid for two last week. i was buying them off ''priomh'' the croke park run ticket exchange for premium level seat owners. the price for premium level tickets for the hurling final replay have been brought down to €120.00 though so maybe this is where the confusion arises.
edit unless priomh have included a fee or charge of €30.00 but they never had one before and they made no mention of it but i will look into it.
Neil McGee was saying in an interview with BBC that if Donegal win himself and Eamon will be the first Gaoth Dobhair men to win Sam, and that in 1992 not only was there no one from their parish on the panel but no-one in any of the neighbouring parishes either.
Is it true that prior to 1992 it was rare to have any players from the northern half of the county on the team? And Why? Too much soccer?
Tony Boyle is from Dungloe, which isn't too far from Gaoith Dobhair. Declan Bonner is a Na Rossa man, close enough too. But the majority of the team did come from the Donegal Southwest constituency . Every club from Bundoran around Donegal Bay to Glen and Ardara, with the exception of St Nauls, was represented in the 16 who lined out in the final, plus McEniff. Technically Dunkineely missed out, but only because Martin Shovlin failed a late fitness test. Donal Reid from Red Hughs in Castlefin was the only starter from the NE half of Donegal, although Tommy Ryan was unlucky.
It's amazing to think that Eunans had no starter, although Charlie Mulgrew and Mark Crossan were subs.
there's not been many donegal senior players from termon, milford, downings or fanad gaels in the last 30 years. i can only think of tommy ryan as you say, and paddy mcconigley.
immigration hits the areas hard... but soccer is very popular too.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Ticket-Mayo-v-Donegal-Sept-23rd-2012-Cusack-Lower-/160884986401?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item25757e1221#ht_500wt_899
Half an hour to go.
But sure the GAA won't allow those over-priced tickets in anyway??
The outside (the county) tickets are scarce this time around for Mayo supporters. Mayo the last two times in 2004 and 2006 were playing Kerry and with little or no hype in that county coming unto the final, there was little or no demand from their supporters. Kerry supporters demand was sorted by allocation within the county. This left Mayo Supporters with the rest of the country (and beyond) virtually to themselves to hunt. Not the case this time, Donegal's hunger for tickets is even greater than Mayo and to add to the problem, Donegal supporters got a weeks head start. At the last two AI finals the ratio of Kerry to Mayo supporters was probably 35% to 65% (and i'm probably exaggerating Kerry and underestimating Mayo there). This time around i can see the ratio being 55% to 45% in favour of Donegal. If that happens there will be a shift from 65% down to 45%. Meaning only 70% of the Mayo supporters that got in before in 2006 and 2004 will be happy(ish) this time around. And then there's the 30% - Jez there is going to be some group of them plodding the streets and pubs of Dublin this weekend (myself included). Up Mayo!
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2012, 06:52:45 PM
... Donal Reid from Red Hughs in Castlefin Killygordon was the only starter from the NE half of Donegal, although Tommy Ryan was unlucky.
Ahem! ;)
Quote from: drici on September 18, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Ticket-Mayo-v-Donegal-Sept-23rd-2012-Cusack-Lower-/160884986401?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item25757e1221#ht_500wt_899
Half an hour to go.
Stick a bid on it, make sure you win and don't pay.
GAA will do feck all about it.
Quote from: drici on September 18, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1-All-Ireland-Football-Final-Ticket-Mayo-v-Donegal-Sept-23rd-2012-Cusack-Lower-/160884986401?pt=UK_Tickets_Tickets_LE&hash=item25757e1221#ht_500wt_899
Half an hour to go.
Just stuck 1000 on that :)
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Remember trying to buy a ticket off a very young county panleist form my own county last year in a very well know Dublin pub the night before the final, he was convinced he was going to get €300 a ticket but was as drunk as a lord so Id say he did well to get out of the bed the next morning never mind strike a deal with anyone!
Stood outside the Gresham hotel with a sign and got sorted within 10 minutes by a Kerryman who was delighted to get his money for his spare....sat besdie him for the game and got on so well he offered me some of his half time sandwiches!
You'll get sorted yet, plenty of tiem yet, keep the faith!! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2012, 06:52:45 PM
... Donal Reid from Red Hughs in Castlefin Killygordon was the only starter from the NE half of Donegal, although Tommy Ryan was unlucky.
Ahem! ;)
Oops!
Couldn't remember if they played in Killygordon or Castlefin! :-[
Been gone a long time, plus, we never played them underage.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 18, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Sorry to break my original promise.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
If you don't want those two tickets, can I have them please? DM me - I'll drive up and everything, no bother. Just give me a shout.
You seem like a reasonable chap, but unfortunately there are two reasons why I can't offer you the tickets.
Firstly, they are through work. Two come to the school each year and they are only offered to members of staff. There is a bit of a queue or pecking order, so when I didn't take them, they are offered to next in line. They will always be used by someone in the school.Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that you should never ask someone to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself and hence I could not in all conscience offer them to anyone else. If I am not prepared to sit through the game, neither should I expect anyone else to. I couldn't forgive myself if something untoward happened you.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 15, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
I feel your pain Saffron . I did the same as you when Antrim played in the hurling Final only difference was there was no gaa board to put up my comments can't recall exactly what i did that day probably footed some turf or something.
I had no idea what 'footed some turf' meant, so I asked a culchie in work. He says there was little chance you'd be footing turf in September, they should have been well won by then, hi. On the off chance that you were, I can only hope you were still footing them two weeks later as, IIRC, the beaten football finalists that year weren't overly clever either.
I hope with your f**king attitude that you re the caretaker in the school. Or one of the cleaners. But worryingly it appears that you may be a senior coach or even the the principal. Disgraceful attitude.
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? Tosser of the highest order.
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
Perfectly reasonable behaviour I agree.
How many season tickets did each county sell? Was there a limit on them this year?
What's the situation within the clubs? Are clubs apply to supply all their members (unlikely I suppose)? Presumably over half of club members will get tickets?
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
You cannot believe the post above - esecially the bit in bold. I know you re busy but you really need to go back and see how this has developed.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 18, 2012, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
Perfectly reasonable behaviour I agree.
How many season tickets did each county sell? Was there a limit on them this year?
What's the situation within the clubs? Are clubs apply to supply all their members (unlikely I suppose)? Presumably over half of club members will get tickets?
C'mon, look at his reasoning for not wanting anything to do with the game in the first place!
Maybe he' s a hurling man but still........... Seems an awful negative attitude for somebody .........
Got a ticket sorted tonight. Delighted and really looking forward to the game. Still on the lookout for 2 together though so my dealings may not be finished yet.
Luckily enough I have never been stuck for a ticket before for a game and have always found someone decent (even a Tyroneman at a stage... he must be the only one) to sell me a spare at face value. I wouldn't even dream of trying to get a few extra quid for a ticket. I watched too much My Name is Earl to know how that one works out.
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
You cannot believe the post above - esecially the bit in bold. I know you re busy but you really need to go back and see how this has developed.
What are you on about. People do this, as has now been posted.
Well I hope to fook that people in schools are not doing it. Jesus wept.
Being further down the food chain than Saffron I'm hoping they reach my desk tomorrow. Can't go myself as I've invited the father in law over so it does look like it'll be a cleaner.
Quote from: screenexile on September 18, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
http://www.antrimgaa.net/committees/
His name is Brendan Wilson. Would it not be the case that Antrim's allocation would all be made out to 'Assistant Treasurer' as maybe they're dealing with the distribution?? Don't get me wrong if this guy has done it he needs a clip round the ear but you'd want to be sure!!
Dont think thats right, is that an old committee list?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/All-Ireland-Final-Donegal-V-Mayo-Premier-level-2-x-Tickets-/271059621395?_trksid=p4340.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D2141050803500591271%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D2%26#ht_830wt_1189
another one on ebay. £600 last bid.
Quote from: cadence on September 18, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/All-Ireland-Final-Donegal-V-Mayo-Premier-level-2-x-Tickets-/271059621395?_trksid=p4340.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D2141050803500591271%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D2%26#ht_830wt_1189
another one on ebay. £600 last bid.
Allegedly for a club development I see.
oh aye, i wasn't suggesting there'd be anything untoward going on. i'm sure it's all transparent and those at the club are aware of it (cough).
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
I see the moral patrol are out tonight! Feck, lets name and shame everyone that has handled and passed on tickets that has ended up on ebay! ;D
Silly season is now over......................
The whole thing is a complete mess. For a sport that gets poor attendance as a rule, there is complete mayhem for one game a year. Mostly of our own making. The distribution system is cuck - but of course it is the best and fairest possible way!
There s club's taliban - that wouldn t be seen at a county game - acting like feudal lords, handing out favours to club members that never go to county games. Yawn! - but sure that s the best system.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2012, 11:23:34 PM
I see the moral patrol are out tonight! Feck, lets name and shame everyone that has handled and passed on tickets that has ended up on ebay! ;D
Have you had tickets end up on ebay - i f**king hope not? AI tickets? I doubt it. I ve never had the luxury of having enough tickets to look after famly and friends. Right now I have 2 tickets in my possession but will have to share or draw. If I had 20 tickets I know none would end up touted.
Martin McHugh - Draw
Martin Carney - Mayo
Kevin McStay - Fudge (but probably slightly in favour of Donegal)
Predictions given at the Mayo News preview night in Breaffy.
funny how allireland week always degenerates into a row over tickets.
can the managers please announce the teams and put an end to this nonsence.
once a ticket leaves you hand you habve no idea where its going . i have often sat in teachers seats mainly down to the good will of one of the teachers in my brothers school who lets us sit together while he take my seat . if he come up with al alternative arrangement that up to him
disgraceful behaviour naming that treasurer. god know how many hand the ticket passed through since it left him.
Are all the mods gone ?
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 11:26:19 PM
I have never had a ticket that has ended up on ebay.
If I gave a ticket to someone and it ended up on ebay, I would be like >:(
Same here. But there are always legitimate people who pass on tickets to people they consider legitimate who pass them onto friends/acquantances who don't give a monkeys and only see the cash
Quote from: RMDrive on September 18, 2012, 11:50:05 PM
Martin McHugh - Draw
Martin Carney - Mayo
Kevin McStay - Fudge (but probably slightly in favour of Donegal)
Predictions given at the Mayo News preview night in Breaffy.
That s 3-0 in favour of Donegal so ;D
McHughs attempts to make Mayo sound decent since we beat Dublin embarrassing in view of his usually pissing upon us.
Carney will sway the other way and McStay is the only one ye can trust - but may have it wrong.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more
worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
Jez, it's wednesday already. Fecking week is flying. Butterflys begining to flutter in the auld belly. Good times! Must get to bed, spending to much time reading sh1te on this.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
Cop on yourself!
You should have been ashamed of yourself dragging around a pregant wife at 1.30 in the morning in Dublin city. How pregnant was she? Not pregnant enough to tell you to cop yourself on? Or do you try to bully your wife as well as fellow posters ? ;)
Cop yourself on and go back and read where we re coming from.
1:30pm.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
1:30pm.
That s different then! You were perfectly correct to drag here about the place. And because you ended up sorted every deserving fan always get sorted.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
1:30pm.
;D
In fairness the man did write PM.
In 02 I knew a man that went to every Armagh game that year and could not get tickets for him and the son for the finale, we found him two three days before the game and he had taken four days off work to find some, they can be got if you look hard enough.
I hope all on here get one if they need one.
Had to pick up the Western People this week. 72-page special supplement on the final, surely some sort of record? ;D
The Roscommon Hearld was quite magnanimous in giving the final a full one page of preview, mainly an interview with John O'.
And half of the page was asking him about our managerial vacancy. Maybe he'll finally get to manage his home county? Anyone? At all?
And she was only 43% pregnant.
In 2003 I got mine the Saturday afternoon in a pub in Dublin
2005 outside Quinns 2 hours before the game
2008 the Friday night.
Where there's a will you'll get there. You'll get lads from neutral counties who'll drink all day Saturday, wake up on Sunday hungover and continue on the rip, selling their tickets to fund the drink. Although the tickets are around 80ish, if you really want them and are worried and upset, you'll need to break the piggy bank and stay overnight the night before to boost your chances.
Also, with Utd/Liverpool followed by Man City/Arsenal on that day, hang around Dubs.
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
I don't know any gent who'd come on here to let all and sundry know that he had feck all interest in the game because he saw the same sides play 20 years ago and thought that game was crap. He also let everyone know he wasn't going to tune in to the game either and had turned down the chance of getting tickets for the game.
So fecking what?
All he had to do was to let the next in line have them. It seems that's the normal procedure in his school so why make a noble act out of this?
Why break his self-imposed ban of silence to come back here to let Iolar know he wouldn't let him have the blasted tickets out of concern for the man's physical and/or mental safety?
Should he not have similar concerns if anything untoward happens to the person who's next in line also?
Seems to me Sam has issues alright and they've nothing to do with Iolar's well-being.
Well boys, Daragh O'Se is going for a Mayo win in his IT column. And he'll not be the last who'll swing as the backlash against the hype begins, just as I predicted.
I am out in Kaz. this week with work, so am away from the hype, feel like i'm missing out on the hype and rows over tickets. Got sorted out for tickets last friday, 2 premium hogans, no less. Back on Friday lunch time, 40th birthday party saturday night at home then up Sunday morning............ cant wait!!!!
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Quote from: Declan on September 18, 2012, 08:41:44 AM
How do the Donegal folks feel about the extra tenner being lobbed onto the tickets?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
It's a fiver. And I think it's fair enough. At least they are not demanding €2 from all national school children like other counties ;)
Tis a fiver,and apparently thats optional.Still,headquarters now have "levy" issues with hs.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2012, 02:57:46 PM
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It's even infected me bread now.
:) :)
Top man as as usual Syf with the breakin news,1st with the W. ;DP headline an now this.Take a bow and keep em coming ;D ;D
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Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 18, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Sorry to break my original promise.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
If you don't want those two tickets, can I have them please? DM me - I'll drive up and everything, no bother. Just give me a shout.
You seem like a reasonable chap, but unfortunately there are two reasons why I can't offer you the tickets.
Firstly, they are through work. Two come to the school each year and they are only offered to members of staff. There is a bit of a queue or pecking order, so when I didn't take them, they are offered to next in line. They will always be used by someone in the school.
Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that you should never ask someone to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself and hence I could not in all conscience offer them to anyone else. If I am not prepared to sit through the game, neither should I expect anyone else to. I couldn't forgive myself if something untoward happened you.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 15, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
I feel your pain Saffron . I did the same as you when Antrim played in the hurling Final only difference was there was no gaa board to put up my comments can't recall exactly what i did that day probably footed some turf or something.
I had no idea what 'footed some turf' meant, so I asked a culchie in work. He says there was little chance you'd be footing turf in September, they should have been well won by then, hi. On the off chance that you were, I can only hope you were still footing them two weeks later as, IIRC, the beaten football finalists that year weren't overly clever either.
There ya go, see it's true ya learn something new everyday . Yeah the culchie in work was right there was little chance i'd be footing turf in september but like you life was too short to be wasting time watching a game i had no interest so i just grabbed my slean and cut 50 yards of turf that day just for the heck of it. Great turf it was too.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 18, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
funny how allireland week always degenerates into a row over tickets.
can the managers please announce the teams and put an end to this nonsence.
once a ticket leaves you hand you habve no idea where its going . i have often sat in teachers seats mainly down to the good will of one of the teachers in my brothers school who lets us sit together while he take my seat . if he come up with al alternative arrangement that up to him
disgraceful behaviour naming that treasurer. god know how many hand the ticket passed through since it left him.
Are all the mods gone ?
I agree with the point here. Just because a certain name is printed on a ticket does not mean it is that person who posted it on eBAY, especially when it is a county or club ticket. I'm sure the county in question would be interested in knowing how it ended up there, but that does not mean the person themselves did it. As ros says, who knows how many hands it has gone through. I have deleted the relevant posts.
By the way ros, as has been said before, not every post gets seen by a moderator, that's what the report function is for, and no one has reported this. Luckily I happened to see it this morning, but not at 11pm last night.
Gaoth Dobhair Prepares
http://youtu.be/VKTjRnk20hc
For any of ye heading to the 7s on Saturday, I've put together a preview of what to expect tactically http://action81.com/blog/?p=6195
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
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Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
What I don't understand is how Mrs O'Neill is able to get pregnant at all, with her husband spending all his time on here, pulling his plod for Ireland.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
What I don't understand is how Mrs O'Neill is able to get pregnant at all, with her husband spending all his time on here, pulling his plod for Ireland.
I'd say it was Pat Mustard's
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2012, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
What I don't understand is how Mrs O'Neill is able to get pregnant at all, with her husband spending all his time on here, pulling his plod for Ireland.
I'd say it was Pat Mustard's
surely these sterling gaels you speak of IolarCoisCuain are paid up members of their club? If so, and Id assume they are, surely all paid up members would be looked after ticket wise?
I've been a paid up member since I was a cub. 1993 each member got 2 tix. The about of anger spilling over from folk who didnt get tix because they were too miserable to pay their membership..fcuk 'em. Pay your membership!
O'Neill is right, put in the work and whoever really wants a ticket will get one.
Dont get me started on those hoers on gumtree, ebay and donedeal etc...
The wife is from Donegal and usually doesn't have much interest in the GAA so back in 1992 she was offered a ticket and she turned it down to say that it doesn't mean as much to her and it would to some other poor soul. I told her yes that's true but she should have taken it and made sure someone worth while got it.
She was giving out that why are not most of the tickets given to the 2 teams involved rather than to some mad Tyrone fans that go to Croker every year. (Her words not mine)
I was trying to explain how is more worthy?
Her brothers or sister who only goes to Donegal games if they get to the 1/4 finals or further or the committee member from a small club in Leitrim who puts a lot of his time into the local club and furthers the GAA every year.
Her reply was
"Who does it mean more to"
I said yes the Donegal fan no doubt but they did feck all to deserve it. Fair weather fans.
BTW, if anyone has a spare ticket or 2 for Sunday PM me.
I don't fancy getting my wife pregnant again & walking around the centre with her for an hour.
Yes I agree if yer prepared to ask anyone on the day of the match then you'll nearly always get one. I am lucky enough that I have a very thick brass neck
The problem is a lot of people really want one but aren't prepared to do the work to get one.
Over the years I've gone to loads of matches, soccer, GAA & rugby both in Ireland and to Euro Championships and I always have the rule that I will try right up til 10 mins after the start.
Then I'll go to the pub to watch it there. I' ve NEVER once had to go to the pub.
2 mates of mine paid €300 for the Holland v Russia 1/4 final match despite me telling them NOT to buy them from touts to soon. I got one 5 mins before KO just outside the stadium for face value
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Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2012, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
He didn't want the tickets so he didn't take them and someone else got them.
How is that disgraceful?
The hateful thing is that such a person would have first call on tickets in the first place. So he wouldn t waste his time with Mayo v Donegal? I wonder what pairing would be able to do justice to his presence? t**ser of the highest order.
I thought it was quite noble of Sam. A lesser man would have taken the tickets and put them on ebay.
We don't know how the ticket system works in his school either. He may not have had first call. Maybe this was his year for first call. All we know is that he stepped aside and let someone who wanted to go have the tickets. Sam sounds like a gent to me.
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Ah FFS. With what has happened this week there are a few things in life to be a lot more worried and upset about.
In 2005 I was walking the streets of Dublin at 1:30pm with a pregnant wife looking for a ticket having attended nearly every game from the McKenna Cup. I wasn't worried or upset as far as I can recall. Managed to get two. I've found that if you're prepared to go the distance you'll get one.
Have a bit of cop on.
What I don't understand is how Mrs O'Neill is able to get pregnant at all, with her husband spending all his time on here, pulling his plod for Ireland.
I'd say it was Pat Mustard's
surely these sterling gaels you speak of IolarCoisCuain are paid up members of their club? If so, and Id assume they are, surely all paid up members would be looked after ticket wise?
I've been a paid up member since I was a cub. 1993 each member got 2 tix. The about of anger spilling over from folk who didnt get tix because they were too miserable to pay their membership..fcuk 'em. Pay your membership!
O'Neill is right, put in the work and whoever really wants a ticket will get one.
Dont get me started on those hoers on gumtree, ebay and donedeal etc...
Jaysus John, I don't know about that. I agree that generally speaking you will get sorted out, but I'm not sure it's a given. As for all members getting a ticket, I don't know how through that is. 200 members in a club would not get 2 hundred tickets.
I see it looks like Colm Boyle won't start on sunday due to a longer than expected recovery from his virus. You can read the full details here , http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/barrett-may-start-for-mayo-as-boyle-ruled-out-208059.html . I see Darragh has gone for mayo in his Middle Third piece over in the times which is a surprise but deep down I don't think he's a fan of Donegal's style of play so that might have tempered his decision but either way it's a blow to " the nobody gives us a chance/respect Mayo line of thinking " 8). Still not sure what extra we can expect from Mayo in the match. I definitely think we'll target the first quarter and the 10 mins after half-time as periods to dominate like we have done in all our championship matches to date. Obviously the ideal scenario would be to dominate the first 50 mins and have a ten point lead like the Dublin game but I think even the most fanciful Mayo fan couldn't really expect that? ;D Need a big shift in midfield for this game as I'm sure Donegal will have noticed that a collapse in this area generally leads to a collapse for the whole match where Mayo are concerned in an All Ireland.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
If Sam doesn't want to go that's fine. I don't want to go to Justin Bieber in the Point next February. Each to their own.
But while I'm not going to Justin Bieber, I've no intention of trolling any Justin Bieber discussion boards and talking about how rotten he is and I could get a ticket but I gave it away instead.
If Sam is a teacher, I hope he doesn't let the children in the playground get away with the sort of taunting he was up to here. People are het up about these tickets in Donegal and Mayo. They're worried and upset they won't get to the final having been to FBD League games and McKenna Cup and National League and the other games, to say nothing of club games or training young lads or reffing or selling club lotto or buttering bread for sandwiches. They don't need their noses rubbed in the shit. Shame on you Sam.
Iolar, a chara, Sam hasn't a bit of shame in him.
Isn't he trolling away merrily like that O'Neill hoor?
This should be discussed on the 'Teachers get it handy!' thread.
If you were to bate that pair together, you wouldn't get one half decent eejit for your troubles.
Far too many teachers spend their time rubbing their arses off the balckboard and spellbinding their unfortunate students with their erudition and perspicacity.
That and thinking up ways to annoy the bejasus outa the rest of humanity.
Don't I know?
Wasn't I one meself? ;D
And if I was O'Neill, I would never pull out if I was trying to make the missus pregnant. I certainly wouldn't stop when I had only 43% of the job done. And when I was in the mind for such, I don't think I would bother to to even think about it.
Damn sure I wouldn't if I had more pressing things on mind, like trying to mooch a few tickets off some drunken shagger.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2012, 11:29:01 AM
I see it looks like Colm Boyle won't start on sunday due to a longer than expected recovery from his virus. You can read the full details here , http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/barrett-may-start-for-mayo-as-boyle-ruled-out-208059.html . I see Darragh has gone for mayo in his Middle Third piece over in the times which is a surprise but deep down I don't think he's a fan of Donegal's style of play so that might have tempered his decision but either way it's a blow to " the nobody gives us a chance/respect Mayo line of thinking " 8). Still not sure what extra we can expect from Mayo in the match. I definitely think we'll target the first quarter and the 10 mins after half-time as periods to dominate like we have done in all our championship matches to date. Obviously the ideal scenario would be to dominate the first 50 mins and have a ten point lead like the Dublin game but I think even the most fanciful Mayo fan couldn't really expect that? ;D Need a big shift in midfield for this game as I'm sure Donegal will have noticed that a collapse in this area generally leads to a collapse for the whole match where Mayo are concerned in an All Ireland.
Cripes! I've just read in the Indo that Keegan is unlikely to make it either. I haven't time to go and look for the link just now but if someone doesn't post it, I'll come back on in the afternoon sometime.
I had these two articles saved from a couple of years ago
Looks like JH had a good read of the first one! Powerful second article
It's raining in Mayo heartland and hearts as the inquests begin
Mayo reaction to All-Ireland SFC humiliation: Keith Duggan on the anger and disappointment in the county at their latest setback
In a Shakespearean touch, it has not stopped raining in the west since Sunday. The rain buckets down on Mayo and there is nothing for it but to bemoan another distorted and inglorious All-Ireland defeat.
Mickey Moran and John Morrison have, understandably, asked for a few days of solitude. Morrison did make encouraging sounds on Sunday night after reviewing the day's events and promising the management would, given time, sit down with the players individually and try to work out what was going on in their heads.
He vowed Mayo would be back, which was at least an early indication the Ulster men are planning to return for the second year of their managerial term.
For the players, the Mayo club championship looms large, but after a desperately subdued return to the Welcome Inn in Castlebar, the squad officially broke up, a dismaying end to a greatly promising season.
Much more so than in 2004, when there were clear signs that Mayo were labouring in the build-up to the All-Ireland final, the nature of last Sunday's defeat remains inexplicable and, for many supporters, unacceptable.
The reaction lies between crushing disappointment and outright anger.
After sitting through The Sunday Game as a panellist, former Mayo star Kevin McStay headed home and wrote a very strong column for the Mayo News arguing that enough was enough.
"I wasn't angry, it wasn't that," he explains, "as an ex-player, you know what it feels like to get walloped and it isn't pleasant to pick up a newspaper or listen to a radio and see a former player cutting the socks of you. But driving home, I thought of my own people who came over here from Boston thinking, 'God, if they won and I wasn't there, I'd never forgive myself'. Nobody put a gun to their heads, but it was an awful lot of time and effort and hundreds of people did the same.
"And it was hard to square off that collective effort with what we saw on the field. The bit that killed me was that apparent lack of ordinary effort, the simple blocking and tackling. That feeling that this game was the biggest day in their lives.
"And I have been critical of David Brady in the past, but I take my hat off to him because he stood up to be counted when he went in. But I felt that there weren't that many standing with him."
Amid the disappointment, theories and criticisms abound. That Mayo did not set out with an obvious contingency plan to counter the threat of Kieran Donaghy has been the chief criticism. But there were problems all over the field and Kerry were masterful in quietening Mayo's key men.
As Jack O'Connor remarked with a satisfied grimace on Sunday evening, they "cracked" the Mayo midfield. Contrary to pre-match expectations, Tommy Griffin was the key man. The heavyweight pair of Darragh Ó Sé and Ronan McGarritty sort of cancelled each other out.
"Yeah, but Mayo needed more than for Darragh Ó Sé to be quiet," counters McStay. "We needed Ronan McGarrity to be huge."
Once again, Tom O'Sullivan hounded Conor Mortimer, although a substantial argument can be made that the Shrule man never got quality ball and was playing a dead match before he got his first meaningful touch.
Aidan O'Mahony marked Ciarán McDonald diligently, tracking the Mayo playmaker back and coolly kicking two points when the opportunities presented themselves as the Crossmolina man, with increasing desperation, tried to make things happen.
"And the explanation for Alan Dillon's game is that once Mayo's overall game plan was obliterated, his role effectively disappeared," adds McStay.
Still, it is the minor details that haunt him. He instances a sequence when a clearance by Séamus Moynihan was half-blocked down. A Mayo player, racing into defence, was too distracted or rushed to notice that the ball was about to fall near him - as he tore back to cover, Paul Galvin was racing the other way, alive to the break.
For Donaghy's goal, he noticed a defender was torn between his natural defensive instinct to race to David Heaney's assistance and a fear of leaving his own man unmarked. That second of hesitation was fatal. "We were bamboozled. And there are plenty of examples, I don't want to pick on individual players."
Anyway, it is as a unit that Mayo failed. And as the team and county go back to the drawing board, there may be a loudening clamour for a fundamental change of the fast and open attacking game that Mayo play.
Mayo are comfortably a Division One team and, as regular provincial championship contenders, a reasonable bet for the last eight of the championship. But there is a mounting feeling that if they are to push on, they will need to play a more sinister and narrow-minded game.
"I don't know if that is the way," argues McStay. "Our style is our style. And when it is good, it is very pleasing to the eye. If we were to go the other way and try and embrace the darker side, as they say, I am not sure we are cute enough to pull it off.
"Take a guy like David Brady, one of the toughest players on the Mayo team, but I am not sure he would be able to adapt to playing the game on the borders of the rules the whole time."
Like most Mayo football people, McStay is uncertain as to where or how things will go from here. Leaving Croke Park last week, he met a former Kerry great who was genuinely troubled and perplexed about Mayo's fretful showing. But speaking of the three most impressive forwards who played for Mayo this year, he noted that only Dillon, the industrious, roving wing forward, would have fitted comfortably into the contemporary demands of the Kerry panel.
"What he was saying was that only Dillon, with his direct approach and incredible work ethic, would have been acceptable to Kerry. I suppose that is a reflection of how we play the game in Mayo. There is an extravagance to our game.
"Being honest, I suppose I liked being that bit extravagant when I was playing myself. And I look back and think, God above, why didn't someone grab me and shout stop. But I suppose it goes back to the way we play the game."
And all they can do is keep on playing and keep clinging to the word that has trailed them all summer - faith.
© 2006 The Irish Times
Weep not for Mayo; look to yourselves
Keith Duggan
Sideline Cut: On Sunday last, 82,000 people witnessed Kerry reconfirm their status as the insatiable, deathless winners of the Sam Maguire. Their 34th All-Ireland championship was achieved at a canter that seemed unimaginable at mid-summer.
And the rest of the country can but admire Kerry and wonder at the internal dynamic that pushes them towards a need for multiple Celtic Cross medals. If it is a form of greed, it is a magnificent one. And, of course, the sense of entitlement and composure that seems to possess Kerry players and teams on September Sundays makes the plight of Mayo, once again cast in the role of beautiful losers, seem all the more poignant and pitiful.
By freezing against Kerry twice within three years, Mayo have become an object of pity and perhaps derision among football counties across the land. Kerry won another All-Ireland title through gargantuan physical effort, through consummate football ability, through mental toughness, through arrogance and through a grim-minded adaptation of the more negative realities of the modern game. They look well primed to win more All-Irelands this decade, and the thing about Kerry is they know how to lose and win with a touch of class - they have had plenty of practice.
The thing I admired most about Kerry on Sunday last was that they destroyed their opponents without once belittling them. Kerry All-Ireland football victories are generally a reflection of the better nature of the game and of sport in general, and in that sense, last Sunday's finale was heartening.
But as Kerry house the Sam Maguire in all the familiar abodes, the story of Mayo is the more interesting part of the equation of this year's final. Once again, the totality of their collapse meant what ought to have been the climactic minutes of a long, gruelling championship were played out in muted, slightly hallucinatory circumstances. As Kevin O'Neill noted, one could write a thesis on the psyche of Mayo teams on All-Ireland final days. It was as though the sight of Kerry jerseys induced an LSD-type flashback that had a physical as well as a psychological effect - because some of the Mayo guys seemed to be moving in a slower motion. Afterwards, Mayo fans spoke of their hurt, embarrassment and frustration, all of which should be remembered.
But it is important to remember that since 1996, only Mayo have reached All-Ireland football finals as frequently as Kerry. Mayo know how to get there - which is more than can be said for the majority of other serious football counties. Already, the revisionism has begun on the management style of MickeyMoran/John Morrison, which can be now slammed by Hard Chaw traditionalists as New Age, all josh sticks and fancy jargon. But the fact is, they got to a league semi-final, and won a provincial championship and a semi-final that has been deemed The Greatest Match of All Time. That hardly constitutes a bad year.
The criticism over the removal of O'Neill last Sunday has substance; and maybe even the disapproval of not starting David Brady is justified. But it ought to be remembered Moran and Morrison resurrected O'Neill's career and persuaded Brady out of retirement.
As for the performance of the players, it is wrong and curmudgeonly to harangue them for behaving like the amateurs they are in the face of another dog-whipping by Kerry. The truth of it is that very few of us can even imagine what it is like to be out there in Croke Park in those conditions.
Maybe there is truth in the general belief that for Mayo to actually win an All-Ireland, they must develop a meaner streak. On Sunday, James Nallen's record of one yellow card in a decade of service was presented to him and he was asked if maybe he ought to have been a bit more cynical over the years. Nallen's reply was dignified and profound: he played the game how he played the game; clean was his philosophy. If Mayo wanted an alternative centre back whose philosophy involved the removal of opponents' teeth, then they were welcome to select him.
Mayo play clean and they play stylish and on days like Sunday, when it goes bad, it makes them look like dandies and pretenders. Over the past few days I kept on wondering how the football life of Ciarán McDonald would have evolved if, for whatever reason, he had moved to Kerry at the age of 15. McDonald has, for better or worse, been the bright, burning emblem of the best and worst of Mayo football. In Kerry, flair is important and celebrated but fairly rigidly harnessed into the team ethic. It could be argued that in Kerry hands, McDonald would have become a more fully realised player and added a few All-Ireland medals to his name in the process.
But maybe in those circumstances, some gift to Gaelic football, something intangible and arguably more precious than a medal, would have been lost. In Mayo, McDonald has, under several managements, played as an out-and-out free spirit. As late as this year, arguments raged as to whether his highly strung, daring genius was detrimental to his team and anathema to the speed and urgency of the modern game. McDonald infuriates some observers, who believe him to be self-indulgent on the ball and ponderous, complicating the fundamentals. Their frustration is understandable.
But I have come to think of McDonald as someone helplessly in thrall to the finer possibilities of Gaelic football, a guy who plays the main game - the contest we all watch on the field - but also a game in his mind where he is constantly and helplessly computing passes and angles that the rest of us cannot see, partly to put a colleague in a scoring position but also for the plain aesthetic joy of it.
Maybe he does not possess that eye for the main chance, that winner's coldness that so many managers and players will tell you counts for everything - although he was pretty icy in clipping the score of the year against Dublin a month ago. But here is the thing: in Ciarán McDonald, Mayo have a player who can play the game of Gaelic football like nobody else on earth. His capacity for elevating what is a fairly simple and rudimentary game into the realm of the sublime, often through a single foot pass, has to be classified as a form of genius. It will not always win you the championship match and, when it deserts him, as it did in the second half last Sunday, the sight can be shocking and dismaying to behold. But the fact remains he can ordain prosaic league Sundays and high-octane championship days that are brutally loaded with effort and brutally lacking in class with one transcendent moment that stays crystal clear and alive long after the season ends. If the game has no room for the celebration of a gift like that, then we might as well say to hell with the game.
There is no denying Mayo and her talisman are in a dark and uncertain place right now. But only one county is fully entitled to feel pity for Mayo. That is Kerry. And Kerry are too respectful, too cautious and too damn hungry to ever allow pity to come into it. If you belong to any other football county and shake your head at the plight of Mayo, you are only fooling yourself. The old adage that winning is everything in Gaelic games is a complete nonsense, except for the footballers of Kerry and the hurlers of Cork and Kilkenny. If winning is everything, we may as well end the championship now. For the vast majority of counties, the idea of winning the big prize is just a summer conceit, a mass delusion.
And if Mayo are the beautiful losers of Gaelic games, then most other counties are just regular, everyday losers with nothing to distinguish them. Don't pity Mayo, because they will be turning up and beating you before too long.
© 2006 The Irish Times
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Well boys, Daragh O'Se is going for a Mayo win in his IT column. And he'll not be the last who'll swing as the backlash against the hype begins, just as I predicted.
liking the shi'te incident implied by winnie the pooh. funny old bear.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=winnie+the+pooh+pulse+letterkenny&num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=615&tbm=isch&tbnid=3R8mE9MAwD3pMM:&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.com/pulseletterkenny&docid=ZwOTEkmSoCQcpM&imgurl=http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c99.0.403.403/p403x403/377278_498558473506024_1952690540_n.jpg&w=403&h=403&ei=waZZUJeHEeLZ0QXJzICACg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=113&vpy=132&dur=6771&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=130&ty=137&sig=102171983799036322580&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=131&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76
Quote from: cadence on September 19, 2012, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Well boys, Daragh O'Se is going for a Mayo win in his IT column. And he'll not be the last who'll swing as the backlash against the hype begins, just as I predicted.
liking the shi'te incident implied by winnie the pooh. funny old bear.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=winnie+the+pooh+pulse+letterkenny&num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=615&tbm=isch&tbnid=3R8mE9MAwD3pMM:&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.com/pulseletterkenny&docid=ZwOTEkmSoCQcpM&imgurl=http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c99.0.403.403/p403x403/377278_498558473506024_1952690540_n.jpg&w=403&h=403&ei=waZZUJeHEeLZ0QXJzICACg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=113&vpy=132&dur=6771&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=130&ty=137&sig=102171983799036322580&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=131&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76
Lads I can't remember Darragh going for Donegal in any of his predictions as I said in a previous post I would guess he isn't a fan of Donegals style of play. I'm sure he won't be the last to swing back the other way in the next couple of days as a few journo's look to make a name for themselves without any of the hard work"! Sure who gives a shite about these, just like Donegal didn't become invincible over night they also didn't become an over hyped mentally frail All Ireland losing team after a couple of bar stool esque opinion pieces!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 19, 2012, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 19, 2012, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Well boys, Daragh O'Se is going for a Mayo win in his IT column. And he'll not be the last who'll swing as the backlash against the hype begins, just as I predicted.
liking the shi'te incident implied by winnie the pooh. funny old bear.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=winnie+the+pooh+pulse+letterkenny&num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=615&tbm=isch&tbnid=3R8mE9MAwD3pMM:&imgrefurl=http://www.facebook.com/pulseletterkenny&docid=ZwOTEkmSoCQcpM&imgurl=http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c99.0.403.403/p403x403/377278_498558473506024_1952690540_n.jpg&w=403&h=403&ei=waZZUJeHEeLZ0QXJzICACg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=113&vpy=132&dur=6771&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=130&ty=137&sig=102171983799036322580&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=131&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76
Lads I can't remember Darragh going for Donegal in any of his predictions as I said in a previous post I would guess he isn't a fan of Donegals style of play. I'm sure he won't be the last to swing back the other way in the next couple of days as a few journo's look to make a name for themselves without any of the hard work"! Sure who gives a shite about these, just like Donegal didn't become invincible over night they also didn't become an over hyped mentally frail All Ireland losing team after a couple of bar stool esque opinion pieces!
i read j70's "swing" as just going one way or the other, mayo or us, starting off nuetral. could be that darragh thinks mayo will win, or that he likes mayo's style more, or both!
i do like that bear though!
Yep. Well done Antrim CLG. I only hope it's the tout and not some poor unfortunate from Mayo or Donegal that gets burned on this. This is from the Antrim GAA Guestbook.
Name : Antrim GAA
19 September 2012
A Chairde,
It has come to our attention that 2 Football tickets, which were allocated to a club in Antrim, are currently on sale via a social networking site.
Theses tickets have now been cancelled and are totally worthless both to the seller and any potential buyer.
Should any other tickets be offered the same action will be taken
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 12:57:59 PM
Yep. Well done Antrim CLG. I only hope it's the tout and not some poor unfortunate from Mayo or Donegal that gets burned on this. This is from the Antrim GAA Guestbook.
Name : Antrim GAA
19 September 2012
A Chairde,
It has come to our attention that 2 Football tickets, which were allocated to a club in Antrim, are currently on sale via a social networking site.
Theses tickets have now been cancelled and are totally worthless both to the seller and any potential buyer.
Should any other tickets be offered the same action will be taken
Brilliant News!!!
I see there's a set of three premium level tickets for sale on gumtree.
Call Louise today on 07554503812
I just wonder what she wants for them?
Quote from: johnneycool on September 19, 2012, 02:11:45 PM
I see there's a set of three premium level tickets for sale on gumtree.
Call Louise today on 07554503812
I just wonder what she wants for them?
£90 each she says
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Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
This seems like the longest week ever. But to make it worse, I woke this morning thinking it was Thursday! :-\ At least tomorrow will be Thursday. But still it would be nicer if it was Friday tomorrow, and the weekend and all that goes with it!
I refuse to believe that you'd miss an all Ireland because of a broken finger, speaking as a man who has several mangled fingers (more due to not being able to catch the ball in the first place). I know it looked awful bad but I'd imagine from his perspective he'd want to be close to collapsing in pain before he'd miss the final?
On Dara O'Shea, he said earlier in the year that the team that beat Donegal would win the all-ireland
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 19, 2012, 04:56:11 PM
I refuse to believe that you'd miss an all Ireland because of a broken finger, speaking as a man who has several mangled fingers (more due to not being able to catch the ball in the first place). I know it looked awful bad but I'd imagine from his perspective he'd want to be close to collapsing in pain before he'd miss the final?
On Dara O'Shea, he said earlier in the year that the team that beat Donegal would win the all-ireland
Didn't know that so fair play to him , he must be picking Mayo on the basis of what he saw in the last few matches so. He did qualify his pick by saying he has got it wrong in predictions with Donegal more often than not!
On Lee's injury I played a few important egg ball games with a couple of broken fingers but missed out on a large part of a sesaon when I got a nasty fracture ( not a straight break) on my index finger so it can be funny sometimes with finger injuries. If he can't catch a ball then he's not much use!
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:35:54 AM
And she was only 43% pregnant.
In 2003 I got mine the Saturday afternoon in a pub in Dublin
2005 outside Quinns 2 hours before the game
2008 the Friday night.
Where there's a will you'll get there. You'll get lads from neutral counties who'll drink all day Saturday, wake up on Sunday hungover and continue on the rip, selling their tickets to fund the drink. Although the tickets are around 80ish, if you really want them and are worried and upset, you'll need to break the piggy bank and stay overnight the night before to boost your chances.
Also, with Utd/Liverpool followed by Man City/Arsenal on that day, hang around Dubs.
Dublin supporters have more interest in English soccer games than their own minors?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2012, 12:35:54 AM
And she was only 43% pregnant.
In 2003 I got mine the Saturday afternoon in a pub in Dublin
2005 outside Quinns 2 hours before the game
2008 the Friday night.
Where there's a will you'll get there. You'll get lads from neutral counties who'll drink all day Saturday, wake up on Sunday hungover and continue on the rip, selling their tickets to fund the drink. Although the tickets are around 80ish, if you really want them and are worried and upset, you'll need to break the piggy bank and stay overnight the night before to boost your chances.
Also, with Utd/Liverpool followed by Man City/Arsenal on that day, hang around Dubs.
Dublin supporters have more interest in English soccer games than their own minors seniors?
Fixed that for you
Mayo at 5/2 looks like a nice price
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-v-mayo/winner
Was looking at Donegals record from 2001 to 2010 and was surprised to see they had won only one out of five games at the QF and SF stages in Croker. They got some beating from Cork in 2009. From 93 to 2010 they were in 5 Ulster finals losing them all, I think one of them was in Croker as well. McGuinness has done a fine Job. Jez, thought we were bad, they have allot of baggage as well. Probably not noticed as they made intermittent appearances and they never made an AI Final. Does not say much for Mayo football when a county with the above stats are seen way ahead of mayo mentally!
QuoteWas looking at Donegals record from 2001 to 2010 and was surprised to see they had won only one out of five games at the QF and SF stages in Croker. They got some beating from Cork in 2009. From 93 to 2010 they were in 5 Ulster finals losing them all, I think one of them was in Croker as well. McGuinness has done a fine Job. Jez, thought we were bad, they have allot of baggage as well. Probably not noticed as they made intermittent appearances and they never made an AI Final. Does not say much for Mayo football when a county with the above stats are seen way ahead of mayo mentally!
To coin Martin Breheny the u21 2010 final result was a disaster also with yer man the fat lad Murphy losing the match for them missing a penalty in the last minute. They won't handle the pressure and the winning of this game for us will be the first 20 minutes. I'm with Mayo Mick on his analysis earlier.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2012, 09:30:25 PM
Was looking at Donegals record from 2001 to 2010 and was surprised to see they had won only one out of five games at the QF and SF stages in Croker. They got some beating from Cork in 2009. From 93 to 2010 they were in 5 Ulster finals losing them all, I think one of them was in Croker as well. McGuinness has done a fine Job. Jez, thought we were bad, they have allot of baggage as well. Probably not noticed as they made intermittent appearances and they never made an AI Final. Does not say much for Mayo football when a county with the above stats are seen way ahead of mayo mentally!
Two of those Ulster finals were in Croker. Surely the lynchpin of McGuinness' reign is that he has utterly banished the experiences of previous Donegal teams from this side's psyche. Its an interesting physchological concept that his mantra must be not "Do as I did" but the exact opposite.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 19, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2012, 09:30:25 PM
Was looking at Donegals record from 2001 to 2010 and was surprised to see they had won only one out of five games at the QF and SF stages in Croker. They got some beating from Cork in 2009. From 93 to 2010 they were in 5 Ulster finals losing them all, I think one of them was in Croker as well. McGuinness has done a fine Job. Jez, thought we were bad, they have allot of baggage as well. Probably not noticed as they made intermittent appearances and they never made an AI Final. Does not say much for Mayo football when a county with the above stats are seen way ahead of mayo mentally!
Two of those Ulster finals were in Croker. Surely the lynchpin of McGuinness' reign is that he has utterly banished the experiences of previous Donegal teams from this side's psyche. Its an interesting physchological concept that his mantra must be not "Do as I did" but the exact opposite.
Eugene Magee, Martin Breheny and good auld Marty Morrissey take note. McGuinness has done well so far looking at that. Still amazes me how Mayo are still seen considerably weaker mentally with basicaly the same record as Donegal over the two years?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2012, 09:30:25 PM
Was looking at Donegals record from 2001 to 2010 and was surprised to see they had won only one out of five games at the QF and SF stages in Croker. They got some beating from Cork in 2009. From 93 to 2010 they were in 5 Ulster finals losing them all, I think one of them was in Croker as well. McGuinness has done a fine Job. Jez, thought we were bad, they have allot of baggage as well. Probably not noticed as they made intermittent appearances and they never made an AI Final. Does not say much for Mayo football when a county with the above stats are seen way ahead of mayo mentally!
Yes Donegal have made amazing turn around under McGuinness, for example only 3 years ago Antrim beat them would they even get within 6pts of them now?
Mayo have got into habit of reaching finals and beating defending champions but can they beat the habit of losing finals on Sunday?
Quote from: hardstation on September 19, 2012, 10:43:11 PM
They beat us by 6 last year. We'd probably turn them over if we were to meet again.
Are you Joking? These guys are invincible, the swim in their own vomit at training! ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
Am I the only one that is worried about this.
3 of our top players spring and summer were Andy, Boyle and Keegan. Yeah we have a good panel but this is diluting things a lot. Meanwhile Donegal are in rude good health and probably in a position to pick their preferred 15. We may be starting without 3 automatic choices if fit. f**k it anyway.
Quote from: moysider on September 19, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
Am I the only one that is worried about this.
3 of our top players spring and summer were Andy, Boyle and Keegan. Yeah we have a good panel but this is diluting things a lot. Meanwhile Donegal are in rude good health and probably in a position to pick their preferred 15. We may be starting without 3 automatic choices if fit. f**k it anyway.
No, in my case i hoping that it only a rumour with Keegan, and Boyle can do the impact sub thingy! Don't want to think about it until the team is named!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 19, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
Am I the only one that is worried about this.
3 of our top players spring and summer were Andy, Boyle and Keegan. Yeah we have a good panel but this is diluting things a lot. Meanwhile Donegal are in rude good health and probably in a position to pick their preferred 15. We may be starting without 3 automatic choices if fit. f**k it anyway.
No, in my case i hoping that it only a rumour with Keegan, and Boyle can do the impact sub thingy! Don't want to think about it until the team is named!
You should only be worried if Mayo didn't have good replacements i think you proved v Dublin the panel is as strong as it's been for years.
Remember Richie Feeney run up and down the touchline picking passes on a cold January afternoon in Ballinlough. He looked like he meant business. Maybe he'll end the year as he began it?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 19, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
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The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
Am I the only one that is worried about this.
3 of our top players spring and summer were Andy, Boyle and Keegan. Yeah we have a good panel but this is diluting things a lot. Meanwhile Donegal are in rude good health and probably in a position to pick their preferred 15. We may be starting without 3 automatic choices if fit. f**k it anyway.
No, in my case i hoping that it only a rumour with Keegan, and Boyle can do the impact sub thingy! Don't want to think about it until rthe team is named!
I am too worried by this report. Keegan and McLoughlan have been outstanding, a loss of either would not be good.
However, I do not have time for gossip. Keep the faith. Soon it will be done
just watched the two semifinals again. god the Cork Donegal game was painful to watch. the referee could have give 100's of frees the quality of the game was a serious notch down from the Dublin Mayo one.
any nerves i had before i re-watched them are well gone.
Cork despite playing like headless chicken had the winning of the game right up till the last minute Donegal failure to score more than 2 points , both from placed ball, left the door wide open hopefully Mayo would be as polite as cork.
I think all Ireland final day is going to hit Donegal like a steam train . at present they feel all they have to do is collect the cup in Dublin but once the ball is thrown in they'll realise they still have to fight for it do they have the Hunger to fight that which they assumed was theirs already......
We in Mayo know the hard way all bets are off and all clocks are reset on Final day. we l have hope but hope knowing it'll take blood sweat and tear to win and that we can expect no favours from any one.
this script has yet to be written
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 01:30:46 AM
just watched the two semifinals again. god the Cork Donegal game was painful to watch. the referee could have give 100's of frees the quality of the game was a serious notch down from the Dublin Mayo one.
any nerves i had before i re-watched them are well gone.
Cork despite playing like headless chicken had the winning of the game right up till the last minute Donegal failure to score more than 2 points , both from placed ball, left the door wide open hopefully Mayo would be as polite as cork.
I think all Ireland final day is going to hit Donegal like a steam train . at present they feel all they have to do is collect the cup in Dublin but once the ball is thrown in they'll realise they still have to fight for it do they have the Hunger to fight that which they assumed was theirs already......
We in Mayo know the hard way all bets are off and all clocks are reset on Final day. we l have hope but hope knowing it'll take blood sweat and tear to win and that we can expect no favours from any one.
this script has yet to be written
Defending and forward play wasn't as good in the Mayo,Dublin game and Jim McGuinness won't have his team in that type of mindset they will treat this game like any other with huge hunger to succeed.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 01:30:46 AM
just watched the two semifinals again. god the Cork Donegal game was painful to watch. the referee could have give 100's of frees the quality of the game was a serious notch down from the Dublin Mayo one.
any nerves i had before i re-watched them are well gone.
Cork despite playing like headless chicken had the winning of the game right up till the last minute Donegal failure to score more than 2 points , both from placed ball, left the door wide open hopefully Mayo would be as polite as cork.
I think all Ireland final day is going to hit Donegal like a steam train . at present they feel all they have to do is collect the cup in Dublin but once the ball is thrown in they'll realise they still have to fight for it do they have the Hunger to fight that which they assumed was theirs already......
We in Mayo know the hard way all bets are off and all clocks are reset on Final day. we l have hope but hope knowing it'll take blood sweat and tear to win and that we can expect no favours from any one.
this script has yet to be written
What the hell are you basing this on?
Some of you Mayo lads really are talking some awful shite on this thread!
forward play was vastly superior in Mayo dublin game, watch it again some truly shocking misses in the cork donegal game. even with the massed defence cork had more than enough chances to kill off Donegal
when you hear young lads on about wanting to be remembered in 50 years time you know they think its already won. mindset is already fucked.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 02:56:30 AM
forward play was vastly superior in Mayo dublin game, watch it again some truly shocking misses in the cork donegal game. even with the massed defence cork had more than enough chances to kill off Donegal
when you hear young lads on about wanting to be remembered in 50 years time you know they think its already won. mindset is already fucked.
A 19 year old kid talks in an interview about how he doesn't go out boozing with his mates because he wants to be one of the best footballers around and be remembered in years to come and that means the Donegal team already thinks they have it won?
We'll see on Sunday. I think you Mayo boys are going to be seriously disappointed if you think Donegal are going to flop due to arrogance. I would have been seriously worried about this in the past through bitter experience, but not under McGuinness.
And yes, whatever about Cork, Donegal had some shocking misses in the semi. The rest of their play was superb though. Some of the play in the second half were probably the best I have ever seen from Donegal, except for perhaps the 1992 final.
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
Intriguing final. Both sides reaching the AI due mainly due to collective effort, intelligent play and unselfishness. Both led by two of the most professional young managers in the game.
For me it all hinges on how loose the Dublin defence were. Mayo's angled and long range shooting was very impressive but will they get as much time on the ball from Donegal?
Donegal could have been caught at the death by both Cork and Kerry but yet should have won both matches by far more. However it does show even they have lapses at the back.
I think Mayo midfield will prevent Donegal from getting the massive and unexpected foothold they had there against Cork. Moran is the most improved footballer of 2012 and O'Se has added a huge work ethic to his natural talent.
Both counties have massive support but there will be more hype and expectation in Donegal. No matter what McGuinness does some of this may get to some of the players. Mayo supporters have learned the hard way that hype leading up to an AI final can lead to severe pain afterwards. Their camp will be totally focussed.
I would be quite happy to see Donegal win. Great county with great supporters and they have been fascinating to watch this season as opposed to how dour they were last year.
However (even though us poor Rossies would never hear the end of it!) I would dearly love Mayo to get over the line this time. No county deserves it more and there is alot to admire about their players and manager plus their style of play. I also hold the old fashioned view that it would be a great boost for Connacht. It's obviously going to be a great tight contest but I think they are in a great position to finally take Sam this time.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
Interesting read Emmet. Keep up the good work!
Quote from: moysider on September 19, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Here's the link to the report on Lee Keegan's injury that I mentioned in my last post:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/donegal-fans-hit-by-60000-ticket-tax-3233312.html)
The bit about Lee is near the end.
"Meanwhile, Lee Keegan (pictured) is unlikely to make the Mayo team as he continues to recover from the broken finger that ended his All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Mayo won't finalise their team until later in the week, but Keegan looks to have run out of time. Chris Barrett and Richie Feeney are vying for the vacant position."
Am I the only one that is worried about this.
3 of our top players spring and summer were Andy, Boyle and Keegan. Yeah we have a good panel but this is diluting things a lot. Meanwhile Donegal are in rude good health and probably in a position to pick their preferred 15. We may be starting without 3 automatic choices if fit. f**k it anyway.
Of course I'm worried but I'm hoping this is just guff talk and that both will make a 'miraculous' recovery and take their places without a bother on them.
It's part and parcel of the routine leading up to the final each year that a county or maybe both will have serious doubts about the chances of a player or two being fit enough to play and I'm guessing that Mayo may be up to the same thing.
If not, we have pretty decent replacements to step in. Barrett and Feeney won't let the side down and that's for sure. But the problem then would be that we would have fewer options on the bench to spring when some of the players are tiring.
There's no telling what's going to happen but my money is on James fielding the side that started against Dublin.
Boyle must have got a right dose if it's still at him 3 weeks later. f**k it anyways.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
This man has been right for most of the championship, hopefully he falls down here!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 20, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
This man has been right for most of the championship, hopefully he falls down here!
Arra, the cutest hen lays out sometimes. :D
Fine analysis as usual but I know he got it wrong this time.
Keep the faith!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2012, 09:39:18 AM
Boyle must have got a right dose if it's still at him 3 weeks later. f**k it anyways.
Yeah have heard he has no chance of making it.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
Including Mortimer as a key absentee makes me discount this analysis. Emmett has watched more of Donegal and does not really understand our game and our ability to raid quickly and efficiently in bursts. Expect us to strike quickly before Donegal settle. Then we will see if Donegal can chase a game. We will win this game.
There is an awful lot of shite written and spoken about Mayo. Hopefully Sunday can put it all to rest.
Aidan O Shea hits the nail on the head.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0919/1224324158304.html
The more analytical might be of the view that Mayo haven't actually done anything new in reaching a final through an unexpected semi-final victory. Their high scores in the past two matches against Dublin and Down can be ascribed to less-than-resolute defending. Centrefielder Aidan O'Shea addressed this point to the media when asked if the team had to prove their consistency to the public at large: "Not really. If we win the next day people will say, 'ah they were bound to win one eventually'. You're not going to get the credit anyway so it doesn't really make a difference to us."
He clarified this by adding that all of their successes to date have been explained away as the failings of others.
One of the better Mayo songs courtesy of a few Balla lads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sc2t1gVc
That Mike Denver one is cringeworthy
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 20, 2012, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
Including Mortimer as a key absentee makes me discount this analysis. Emmett has watched more of Donegal and does not really understand our game and our ability to raid quickly and efficiently in bursts. Expect us to strike quickly before Donegal settle. Then we will see if Donegal can chase a game. We will win this game.
For what it's worth my analysis of Mayo in 2012 is based on 6 games, of which they won 5. My analysis of Donegal is on 7 games, of which they won 6.
I included Mortimer on the issue of depth. His absence is entirely his own fault and on merit he should not start. When you take into account the greater loss of Andy Moran, Mayo's options in reserve get depleted. I did not see this as sufficient a problem for them to lose to Dublin however on Sunday the loss of talented forwards who offer something different, including Mortimer, is a concern. It was not the primary reason I picked Donegal to win but it was a factor and to exclude the issue would have been remiss on my part.
Anyone hear that fuckass Brolly on 11am sportsnews radio 1 this
morning whinging about us being too cynical!FFS the asshole
spent years skitting with his other dimwits about the fact that we were
too 'nice'!!I know, I know fhag mar ata se.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 20, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Anyone hear that fuckass Brolly on 11am sportsnews radio 1 this
morning whinging about us being too cynical!FFS the asshole
spent years skitting with his other dimwits about the fact that we were
too 'nice'!!I know, I know fhag mar ata se.
All reasonable discussion and debate excludes Brolly at this stage. He reminds me of a slumped puppet who occasionally gets his strings pulled before flopping back on the chair.
Have heard from a reliable source that the Mayo team was picked last night and Boyle is starting.
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 20, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Anyone hear that fuckass Brolly on 11am sportsnews radio 1 this
morning whinging about us being too cynical!FFS the asshole
spent years skitting with his other dimwits about the fact that we were
too 'nice'!!I know, I know fhag mar ata se.
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
Convinced Mayo will win this one with 4/5 points to spare.
Personally would like to see Donegal win it but won't lose sleep either way.
I seen today that there will be 21 players / coaches (18 players i think) involved in Sundays Match from both Mayo and Donegal that played for Sligo It .
Quote from: emmetryan on September 20, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
I've put together a tactical preview of the All-Ireland Final for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6196
Excellent piece Emmet as always well apart from the prediction anyway ;)
I really think the middle third is more vital to Mayo than Donegal. My reasoning is we need to get stuck in there if our defense is to have any joy against Murphy and McFadden. Having looked back over the Kerry and Cork v Donegal games I amazed that the majority of the reasons the neutrals give for Donegal beating us is fitness/intensity/belief etc.... and not one of them has highlighted the damage these two boys are doing. Murphy to me (apart from his free taking) is having a massive season. I like many others fell into the trap that he was playing below himself because he wasn't racking up huge scores but to watch the amount of scoring chances and the amount of players he brings into the attacking moves with his selfless play is a credit to him and the Donegal management. McFadden in fairness was only ever missing consistency and a little more composure in his shot selection from being a top notch forward. So to have a chance we need to cut off the supply to these two because McFadden will score at will and Murphy will make/score at least 7 or 8 points if allowed. So to controll them to say maybe 5 or 6 points scored ( directly or indirectly/from play or frees) between them would go along way to putting us in a position to challenge in the match. Personally I don't think our backs could do this without or midfield having the upper hand for the majority of the match and even if we manage this I still think the best case scenario is that we might be able to hold the Donegal running attack to maybe 6 or 7 scores.
So in my mind the best we can hope for is holding Donegal to 13 score in total and our forwards are going to have to put in a serious scoring shift especially our full forward line. I have been unsure of our inside line all summer but they have prooven me wrong every time but I think they are going to have to manufacture at least one goal if we are going to prevail. Also I think we might see less scoring from our half forwards because they will have their hand full defending the Donegal running game high up the pitch. If we can force turnovers and be clinical in scoring off them this could turn the game for us. All in all a mammoth task but I'm looking forward to seeing it unfold.
Mhaigheo Abu.
Lads i was talking to Cian O'Neill ( trying to entice him back to the Golden Vale with the promise of unlimited limousin bullocks and buttermilk, he must be sick of eating rocks and drinking dew out west by now ;)) there earlier and for what its worth he told me Mayo won the All-Ireland by a couple of points on Sunday in a tight game, fair play to him he told me the same thing before the semi, so congrats to the land of my Granny and commiserations to the Donegal boys.
Now i seem to have taken a wrong turn there somewhere, could someone give me directions back to the Hurling board there lads, i was sure i took a right at that bent oak...
Some success he's having in fairness, after the Tipp hurlers and now Mayo. Maybe McGeeney should be trying to get him in train over in Kildare, where he's from. Although 'twould be a hoor of a drive from UL.
He need some work with the Kildare minors last year and in fairness to Julie Davis I don't think we lack in the conditioning side. McGeeney is on his last year so I expect the new manager will have Cian as part of his ticket, seemingly he would love to be brought on board and you will always see him at Moorefield games so he's still got a good interest in Kildare GAA.
Personally I think Kieran Shannon's influence is far more important to Mayo this year, never seen a Mayo team look so focus and grounded and the important thing is despite Dublin's comeback Mayo got through it and thats the kind of shit that makes you really believe...
As I'm off tomorrow I'd like to wish both teams the best for Sunday and all the lads/lassies from here travelling I hope you all get tickets and enjoy the day/weekend.
I'll be hoping that Mayo win and think it'll be an awful lot closer than any of the predictions I've heard from people I've been discussing it with over the last few weeks. The general consensus from neutrals is that Donegal will win with a bit to spare but I've always thought since earlier this year that Mayo had a great chance.
QuotePersonally I think Kieran Shannon's influence is far more important to Mayo this year, never seen a Mayo team look so focus and grounded and the important thing is despite Dublin's comeback Mayo got through it and thats the kind of shit that makes you really believe...
Met Kieran at a coaching thing the Monday after the Dubs game and was mightily impressed with him.
Anyway enjoy
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 20, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Anyone hear that fuckass Brolly on 11am sportsnews radio 1 this
morning whinging about us being too cynical!FFS the asshole
spent years skitting with his other dimwits about the fact that we were
too 'nice'!!I know, I know fhag mar ata se.
Yeah, thought it was a very dangerous interview from a Mayo point of view. He was basically telling the ref to sort out Mayo's tactical fouling. Asked if he had an agenda for Donegal, he said the only county he cared about Derry football. Anyway, these things when put out on the national stage can set an agenda.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 01:30:46 AM
just watched the two semifinals again. god the Cork Donegal game was painful to watch. the referee could have give 100's of frees the quality of the game was a serious notch down from the Dublin Mayo one.
any nerves i had before i re-watched them are well gone.
Cork despite playing like headless chicken had the winning of the game right up till the last minute Donegal failure to score more than 2 points , both from placed ball, left the door wide open hopefully Mayo would be as polite as cork.
Cork didn't really have the winning of the game "right till the last minute". In truth Donegal had them well beaten in that final quarter and Cork knew it. Ok so Cork scored a goal at the vert end to bring themselves back into range on the scoreboard, but I think even they knew it was just a consolation score and that they weren't going to get back into the match. A 2 point defeat did not tell the story of that match, in the same way a 2 point defeat did not tell the story of the quarter-final. In reality Donegal beat Kerry and Cork quite comfortably. If there is something Mayo can perhaps take from those games it's that Donegal did not hammer the final nails into the coffin of the opposition and end up with a comfortable win on the scoreboard to match their dominance on the pitch.
If you are looking back at the semi-finals then I would be more concerned by Mayo's collapse against Dublin. Their first 50 minutes were excellent. At that stage Dublin were a beaten and bedraggled team yet they were allowed back into the match from an almost hopeless position. Mayo gave the ball away and gave Dublin attackers loads of space, and when Mayo forwards found themselves in great positions and with chances to steady the ship they panicked and made the wrong choices. Very worrying 20 minutes indeed from a Mayo point of view.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on September 20, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Anyone hear that fuckass Brolly on 11am sportsnews radio 1 this
morning whinging about us being too cynical!FFS the asshole
spent years skitting with his other dimwits about the fact that we were
too 'nice'!!I know, I know fhag mar ata se.
Yeah, thought it was a very dangerous interview from a Mayo point of view. He was basically telling the ref to sort out Mayo's tactical fouling. Asked if he had an agenda for Donegal, he said the only county he cared about Derry football. Anyway, these things when put out on the national stage can set an agenda.
I don't think Brolly ever liked Donegal as player he use to blow kisses at them to wind them up now he's stacking all the hype on Donegal in the hope they flop in final.
Yes we collapsed LDA, but we still somehow got there. What if we don't collapse the next day?
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
4 frees in the last quarter my hole. They conceded 4 frees in injury time.
The best of luck to Mayo but don't be making stuff up.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
If Cork or Kerry had reached the final they would be hotter favorites.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2012, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
If Cork or Kerry had reached the final they would be hotter favorites.
That's more Captain Tangential than Captain Obvious.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
I must have begin watching a different game. The desperate shooting I saw came from Donegal who missed three or four ridiculously easy points which would have left them at least eight points to the good and rendered getting caught showboating even more irrelevant. Cork had plenty of misses too , but those came under severe pressure. At distance. Donegal man were missing when wide open.
But sure go ahead. It suits Donegal just fine to have their semi final performance downplayed. Just like Mayo.
I was listening to Matt Cooper on TodayFM on the way home and he had Darragh O Sé and Peter Canavan on doing a bit of a preview of the match. In the middle of it, O Sé just just happened to mention that the rumour is Aidan O'Shea is a major doubt with a hamstring injury. That's all that was said, Cooper didn't question it any further.
I hadn't heard that rumour or seen it mentioned online anywhere, so not sure if the Kerry cousins have the news or where he got it from....
I fully expect to see O'Shea line out.
Donegal will presumably start the same 15 again.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
Hardly a new thing for GAA journalists to lose perspective though is it? Teams go from being brilliant to past it and back over the space of 70 minutes in GAA. Hardly worth getting too bothered about it.
The suggestion that Donegal "left the door wide open" for Cork is however as ridiculous as saying Cork had the winning of the game with 2 minutes to go. Cork were 5 points down after 70 minutes and a beaten team. Yes, they got a goal in injury time, but they didn't get back into the Donegal half after scoring it. Donegal had that game won well before the end.
Farandeelin - I agree that there is no certainty that Mayo will fade in the final as they did in the semi. The only reason I mentioned the collapse was rosnarun's rather bizarre suggestion that after watching both semi-finals that he had no nerves, and picking up on weaknesses in the Donegal performance whilst not mentioning Mayo going to pieces. If you do indeed want to make a call on this final based on the semis then the Mayo performance raises a lot more questions than the Donegal one.
Good luck to both teams and I hope all the regular Donegal and Mayo posters from the board are sorted for tickets. May the best team win....
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
I must have begin watching a different game. The desperate shooting I saw came from Donegal who missed three or four ridiculously easy points which would have left them at least eight points to the good and rendered getting caught showboating even more irrelevant. Cork had plenty of misses too , but those came under severe pressure. At distance. Donegal man were missing when wide open.
But sure go ahead. It suits Donegal just fine to have their semi final performance downplayed. Just like Mayo.
Yes some of the Donegal shooting was erratic they should have beaten Cork by 6-8 points and that same Cork side beat Mayo twice this year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 20, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
2 points doES actually tell the tale of the match . donegal may have looked all over cork but the scored Just 2 points in the last 20 minute leaving the door wide open for cork and only for desperate shooting cork would have won it with any other change to the match .
had cork scored them no one would have batted an eye lid and for 20 seconds talk anout the pluckly hills men before looking forward to a Cork Dublin final, instead donegal are installed as the hottest favorites for years and all faults forgotten , but that's the level of GAA journalism at the moment
I must have begin watching a different game. The desperate shooting I saw came from Donegal who missed three or four ridiculously easy points which would have left them at least eight points to the good and rendered getting caught showboating even more irrelevant. Cork had plenty of misses too , but those came under severe pressure. At distance. Donegal man were missing when wide open.
But sure go ahead. It suits Donegal just fine to have their semi final performance downplayed. Just like Mayo.
Yes some of the Donegal shooting was erratic they should have beaten Cork by 6-8 points and that same Cork side beat Mayo twice this year.
.........and lost in the Chamionship to them last year!
So let me see. Mayo are 10 points up against Dublin with 15 minutes to go, get pulled back to 2 and only win the game by three. This is a collapse. Donegal are 6 points up with 5 to go and get pulled back to one and win by two. But Donegal were never in doubt. Always had the game under control and only for a bittin of wayward shooting and a small bit of showboating theyed have won by far more.
Ah its Donegal by 10 so.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:06:24 PM
So let me see. Mayo are 10 points up against Dublin with 15 minutes to go, get pulled back to 2 and only win the game by three. This is a collapse. Donegal are 6 points up with 5 to go and get pulled back to one and win by two. But Donegal were never in doubt. Always had the game under control and only for a bittin of wayward shooting and a small bit of showboating theyed have won by far more.
Ah its Donegal by 10 so.
Look you have to realise when Donegal win games, the talk is of how good Donegal are. when Mayo win games, the talk is of how bad the opposition were. The case in point this year was the analysis of both teams after playing Down.
Note: This is neither the fault of either county, rather the media.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:06:24 PM
So let me see. Mayo are 10 points up against Dublin with 15 minutes to go, get pulled back to 2 and only win the game by three. This is a collapse. Donegal are 6 points up with 5 to go and get pulled back to one and win by two. But Donegal were never in doubt. Always had the game under control and only for a bittin of wayward shooting and a small bit of showboating theyed have won by far more.
Ah its Donegal by 10 so.
Look you have to realise when Donegal win games, the talk is of how good Donegal are. when Mayo win games, the talk is of how bad the opposition were. The case in point this year was the analysis of both teams after playing Down.
Note: This is neither the fault of either county, rather the media.
Not really just the media. It seems tto be the general consensus on this board
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
I was listening to Matt Cooper on TodayFM on the way home and he had Darragh O Sé and Peter Canavan on doing a bit of a preview of the match. In the middle of it, O Sé just just happened to mention that the rumour is Aidan O'Shea is a major doubt with a hamstring injury. That's all that was said, Cooper didn't question it any further.
I hadn't heard that rumour or seen it mentioned online anywhere, so not sure if the Kerry cousins have the news or where he got it from....
Hurt his hamstring last Sunday in A v B match during first half and didn't play any further part, has to be doubtful for Sunday given any kind of damage to a hamstring is near impossible to play on with only one week recovery. Will be a huge loss for Mayo if he doesn't play.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:06:24 PM
So let me see. Mayo are 10 points up against Dublin with 15 minutes to go, get pulled back to 2 and only win the game by three. This is a collapse. Donegal are 6 points up with 5 to go and get pulled back to one and win by two. But Donegal were never in doubt. Always had the game under control and only for a bittin of wayward shooting and a small bit of showboating theyed have won by far more.
Ah its Donegal by 10 so.
We were discussing the Cork match, not the Kerry one.
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
Channel 191 on Sky now ..... i have the kids in bed and a few cans. Feeling like i'm at home !
Preview show live from the Welcome Inn in Castlebar on Sky channel 191. Another one from Donegal tomorrow night at 8pm.
Quote from: hardstation on September 20, 2012, 09:03:23 PM
Donegal would bate yis at singing after thon effort. Pure shite.
Let them bate us at the singing competions hardstation. I'm mightily worried about AOS. :(
Hard to do the song acoustic and stay in key, not that it stops the Mayos trying! Eunice is a better singer than that.
What a beautiful flute..........................
Another great Ballagh boy. My neighbour was a master flute player and thaught Matt some of his first lessons on the flute. Arrah aren't we great?
whos the english toff ??
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that Donegal could easily have blown it that day with that bad five minutes at the end (looking at it again, that spell came from two bad turnovers by Christy Toye and three balls lost at midfield. The next ball they won ended in Lacey's score).
The discussion was whether the same applied to the Cork game.
It didn't.
Looking at the weather forecast for Sunday and if the weather comes as predicted on the Met Eireann web site, then it will have a massive impact on proceedings. Torrential rain and strong south easterly wind by Sunday afternoon. I hope they have got it all wrong.
I hope the A. O'Shea story is all pie in the sky. I fully expect him to be MOTM the next day.........Up Mayo!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that Donegal could easily have blown it that day with that bad five minutes at the end (looking at it again, that spell came from two bad turnovers by Christy Toye and three balls lost at midfield. The next ball they won ended in Lacey's score).
The discussion was whether the same applied to the Cork game.
It didn't.
Sorry I taught the discussion was about the A/I Final between Mayo and Donegal. All over this thread Mayo's "collapse" against Dublin is mentioned. I dont think anyone described what happened to Donegal against Kerry as a collapse. Im just wondering why.
And by the way, with all this wayward shooting you saw the donegal lads at. You didnt by any chance see a cork buckeen hitting the crossbar while the game was still up for grabs
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that Donegal could easily have blown it that day with that bad five minutes at the end (looking at it again, that spell came from two bad turnovers by Christy Toye and three balls lost at midfield. The next ball they won ended in Lacey's score).
The discussion was whether the same applied to the Cork game.
It didn't.
Sorry I taught the discussion was about the A/I Final between Mayo and Donegal. All over this thread Mayo's "collapse" against Dublin is mentioned. I dont think anyone described what happened to Donegal against Kerry as a collapse. Im just wondering why.
And by the way, with all this wayward shooting you saw the donegal lads at. You didnt by any chance see a cork buckeen hitting the crossbar while the game was still up for grabs
No, I didn't see it. ::)
What is your point? Donegal were by far the better team and missed a succession of easy chances. Yes Cork were unlucky with the crossbar (and lucky with the goal they did get), but the point I was making in response to Rosnarun was that most of the chances he was claiming Cork missed (without referring to Donegal's far worse misses) were attempted out the field under pressure, unlike Donegal's. He's the one claiming Cork left it behind them, which is ludicrous.
As for the Kerry game, Donegal's "collapse" was four or five minutes of a seventy minute game. Three kickouts lost and two very poor turnovers by a veteran sub (which should not have happened), along with a borderline square ball goal.
Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2012, 12:13:16 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that Donegal could easily have blown it that day with that bad five minutes at the end (looking at it again, that spell came from two bad turnovers by Christy Toye and three balls lost at midfield. The next ball they won ended in Lacey's score).
The discussion was whether the same applied to the Cork game.
It didn't.
Sorry I taught the discussion was about the A/I Final between Mayo and Donegal. All over this thread Mayo's "collapse" against Dublin is mentioned. I dont think anyone described what happened to Donegal against Kerry as a collapse. Im just wondering why.
And by the way, with all this wayward shooting you saw the donegal lads at. You didnt by any chance see a cork buckeen hitting the crossbar while the game was still up for grabs
No, I didn't see it. ::)
What is your point? Donegal were by far the better team and missed a succession of easy chances. Yes Cork were unlucky with the crossbar (and lucky with the goal they did get), but the point I was making in response to Rosnarun was that most of the chances he was claiming Cork missed (without referring to Donegal's far worse misses) were attempted out the field under pressure, unlike Donegal's. He's the one claiming Cork left it behind them, which is ludicrous.
As for the Kerry game, Donegal's "collapse" was four or five minutes of a seventy minute game. Three kickouts lost and two very poor turnovers by a veteran sub (which should not have happened), along with a borderline square ball goal.
Yes but it was a six point lead with five minutes top go which turned into a bit of a scramble at the end. Dont get me wrong. Donegal did very well to win the game. Im just wondering why its not focused on as much as the Mayo "collapse.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 21, 2012, 01:06:43 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 21, 2012, 12:13:16 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2012, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Yes and Im talking about the Kerry match.
I haven't seen anyone dispute that Donegal could easily have blown it that day with that bad five minutes at the end (looking at it again, that spell came from two bad turnovers by Christy Toye and three balls lost at midfield. The next ball they won ended in Lacey's score).
The discussion was whether the same applied to the Cork game.
It didn't.
Sorry I taught the discussion was about the A/I Final between Mayo and Donegal. All over this thread Mayo's "collapse" against Dublin is mentioned. I dont think anyone described what happened to Donegal against Kerry as a collapse. Im just wondering why.
And by the way, with all this wayward shooting you saw the donegal lads at. You didnt by any chance see a cork buckeen hitting the crossbar while the game was still up for grabs
No, I didn't see it. ::)
What is your point? Donegal were by far the better team and missed a succession of easy chances. Yes Cork were unlucky with the crossbar (and lucky with the goal they did get), but the point I was making in response to Rosnarun was that most of the chances he was claiming Cork missed (without referring to Donegal's far worse misses) were attempted out the field under pressure, unlike Donegal's. He's the one claiming Cork left it behind them, which is ludicrous.
As for the Kerry game, Donegal's "collapse" was four or five minutes of a seventy minute game. Three kickouts lost and two very poor turnovers by a veteran sub (which should not have happened), along with a borderline square ball goal.
Yes but it was a six point lead with five minutes top go which turned into a bit of a scramble at the end. Dont get me wrong. Donegal did very well to win the game. Im just wondering why its not focused on as much as the Mayo "collapse.
Probably because the Donegal game was the quarter final and the five minutes of panic came right at the end and Donegal knocked over that Lacey score to settle it, unlike the Mayo game where the rot was of much longer duration.
Doesn't matter now anyway. Its a new game. Both teams are good enough to win it and I will be very surprised if it ends up more than three or four points either way. I don't share the certainty of certain people on this forum as to who is going to win.
All Ireland final weekend.
Good luck to all heading down and I hope all get sorted with tickets. Yiz will.
As for the game I hope Mayo win it. I prefer their style of football and having felt gutted for them too many times since 89, I'll be delighted for their supporters.
Since the semis I thought Donegal would hammer them but I'm wavering a little. Donegal haven't appeared in an All Ireland in a long time and that's a variable no matter how well McGuinness prepares them. If Mayo can get off to a good start and put daylight between them then you never know how Donegal will react.
Donegal 1-14
Mayo 1-13
Had some nightmare last night.....dreamt that Tommy Lyons got the job over Horan 2 years ago.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 20, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
whos the english toff ??
Anthony Heneghan sports writer for the western people a local paper down here. I hope after reading some of the previous posts the rumours about AOS aren't true .
Doesn't seem to be a huge amount to the O'Shea story, seems more precautionary than anything else, and Donegal have same thing with Lacey.
This from irishexaminer http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-sticking-with-side-that-beat-rebels-208381.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-sticking-with-side-that-beat-rebels-208381.html):
Centre-back Karl Lacey and centre-fielder Neil Gallagher both picked up minor hamstring injuries in a club match between their respective Four Masters and Glenswilly sides a week after the semi-final.
However, both players were withdrawn as a precautionary measure and trained the following week.
"We are very fortunate in that we are selecting from a fully fit squad," Rory Gallagher continued. "A couple of players had minor strains, but they have all been integrated fully back into our training again and they're all good to go for the weekend, thank God."
Meanwhile Mayo are sweating over the fitness of midfielder Aidan O'Shea.
The Breaffy man tweaked his hamstring last week but is expected to play on Sunday. He took part in an A versus B game at the weekend but was hauled off after 10 minutes as a precaution. Lee Keegan is also likely to start following his finger injury.
Doesn't look like the O'Shea story is that serious, seems more precautionary than anything else, and Donegal have same thing with Lacey.
This from irishexaminer http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-sticking-with-side-that-beat-rebels-208381.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/donegal-sticking-with-side-that-beat-rebels-208381.html):
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2012, 08:59:13 AM
Centre-back Karl Lacey and centre-fielder Neil Gallagher both picked up minor hamstring injuries in a club match between their respective Four Masters and Glenswilly sides a week after the semi-final.
However, both players were withdrawn as a precautionary measure and trained the following week.
"We are very fortunate in that we are selecting from a fully fit squad," Rory Gallagher continued. "A couple of players had minor strains, but they have all been integrated fully back into our training again and they're all good to go for the weekend, thank God."
Meanwhile Mayo are sweating over the fitness of midfielder Aidan O'Shea.
The Breaffy man tweaked his hamstring last week but is expected to play on Sunday. He took part in an A versus B game at the weekend but was hauled off after 10 minutes as a precaution. Lee Keegan is also likely to start following his finger injury.
All the best to Mayo on Sunday. Hope it's the start of a great 7 days for Connacht. If Mayo win it will probably be the most emotional occasion the game has ever seen. I'd love to see it.
QuoteAs for the Kerry game, Donegal's "collapse" was four or five minutes of a seventy minute game. Three kickouts lost and two very poor turnovers by a veteran sub (which should not have happened), along with a borderline square ball goal.
I guess the collapses don't matter at this stage, but for the record....
- Mayos collapse was from the 51st to 65 minutes. For the last 11 minutes of playing time (6 minutes of injury time), Mayo won the game 2 pts to 1.
- Define a collapse .... Mayo won possession from 5 of the 8 kickouts from Dublin scores taken during our 14 minute collapse
- Injuries coupled with a few dodgy decisions (a 50 that wasn't and a nothing free when Ger Cafferkey and a Dublin forward clashed heads accidentally and Cafferkey was penalised.
Anyway, enough of that ..... i've given all my thoughts on page 30 and have nothing to add other than to say Mayo 3-10, Donegal 1-13 (yes, a relative goal fest !)
As for the weather, i would put more stock in the forecast on boards.ie in the sceince -> Weather section:
"SUNDAY ... The morning may be dry for most of the north and west, with drizzle moving into the southeast. Cold to start with frosts in Ulster and Connacht inland, lows -1 to +4 C, but 5-8 C southeast. Increasing cloud with showers or periods of rain by evening, 10-20 mms possible by midnight, and highs 13-16 C. Winds generally light at first then increasing to E-NE 20-40 mph. " ..... so we should be fine for the match, but i would have preferred a dry ball
Donegal
(All-Ireland SFC final v Mayo, 23/9/2012): Paul Durcan (Four Masters);
Paddy McGrath (Ardara), Neil McGee (Gaoth Dobhair), Frank McGlynn (Glenfin);
Eamon McGee (Gaoth Dobhair), Karl Lacey (Four Masters), Anthony Thompson (Naomh Conaill);
Neil Gallagher (Glenswilly), Rory Kavanagh (Naomh Adhamhnain);
Ryan Bradley (Buncrana), Leo McLoone (Naomh Conaill), Mark McHugh (Kilcar);
Paddy McBrearty (Kilcar), Martin Murphy (Glenswilly), Colm McFadden (Dunfanaghy).
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 20, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
4 frees in the last quarter my hole. They conceded 4 frees in injury time.
The best of luck to Mayo but don't be making stuff up.
I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
[I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
Fair enough. I misinterpreted your original post and you have explained tyour oint very well above.
Also, I wouldn't worry too much about what Brolly has to say. I don't think he is regarded as a serious football pundit by anybody in the country so I can't see Maurice Deegan being influenced by his ramblings.
Quote from: AbbeySider on September 21, 2012, 09:37:55 AM
Donegal
(All-Ireland SFC final v Mayo, 23/9/2012):
Paul Durcan (Four Masters);
Paddy McGrath (Ardara), Neil McGee (Gaoth Dobhair), Frank McGlynn (Glenfin);
Eamon McGee (Gaoth Dobhair), Karl Lacey (Four Masters), Anthony Thompson (Naomh Conaill);
Neil Gallagher (Glenswilly), Rory Kavanagh (Naomh Adhamhnain);
Ryan Bradley (Buncrana), Leo McLoone (Naomh Conaill), Mark McHugh (Kilcar);
Paddy McBrearty (Kilcar), Martin Murphy (Glenswilly), Colm McFadden (Dunfanaghy).
Michael Murphy at 14. What is the craic with Dermot Molly, is he going to make it as a top player or was his performance of a few years back a flash in the pan?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0921/1224324230541.html
Poetic moment: Winning makes it 'easy to dream'
Forty four years ago last February this newspaper's parliamentary correspondent John Healy wrote the first instalment of a series entitled "The Shoneen Society" about the changing face of modern Ireland.
He framed it in terms of how the poet Patrick Kavanagh, then recently deceased, might have viewed the migration into Dublin society of so many people from outside of the city.
Taking himself as an example, Healy wrote of how his first visit to the capital was for the 1948 All-Ireland football final between Mayo and Cavan, and how he had slept in an unlocked lorry the night before.
Moving on to the county's next and more successful outing, the Charlestown writer struck a chord that will still resonate with supporters this weekend.
"You wouldn't have to tell the Monaghan man why, two years later with the All-Ireland safely in your pocket in 1950, you are walking down the quays when a passing cloud clears the sun and the yellow evening light Septembers the rusted brick and you can feel in your bones the dignity of an old city which saw so much and absorbed so much in its history: if he was a Mayo man in that particular moment in that yellow evening he would know why: we had beaten the best in Ireland in Croke Park and we were the champions and could accomplish anything now.
"It was easy to dream that evening that you could come swarming in and make this city yours, too, adding to what you had already."
From Mayo GAA
The Mayo Senior Football Team to face Donegal in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final this Sunday 23rd September at 3.30p.m. in Croke Park is as follows:
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites (Capt.)
2. Kevin Keane - Westport
3. Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
13. Enda Varley - Garrymore
14. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
15. Michael Conroy - Davitts
Only one change from the Semi-final, Boyle in for Barrett.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 20, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
4 frees in the last quarter my hole. They conceded 4 frees in injury time.
The best of luck to Mayo but don't be making stuff up.
I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
All water under the bridge now LarnaParka but I had a wry smile reading your concerns about the possible influencing of the refereeing of the game. Mayo were at a similiar type of thing before the AISF and the disinformation that was being spouted about the referee before that game.
Sorry for raking over old embers given that this thread should be all about next Sunday.
I hope that's the team that starts! Best of luck to all involved.
Go n-éirí an t-ádh le Maigh Eo!
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 21, 2012, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
[I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
Fair enough. I misinterpreted your original post and you have explained tyour oint very well above.
Also, I wouldn't worry too much about what Brolly has to say. I don't think he is regarded as a serious football pundit by anybody in the country so I can't see Maurice Deegan being influenced by his ramblings.
I would have to agree. Brolly compared to the other pundits has personalised so much of his criticism against referees (remember the way he derided a referees son when he was umpire in a Meath Kildare match) that I'd say most refs can't stand him about as much as supporters and players can't!
Let's divorce our own prejudices from this issue for a second...the fact is that cynical or deliberate fouling, call it what you want, is a major part of today's game. That is not a good thing imo. Pundits are right to highlight it. I can understand frustration from Mayo people on what seems like a personalised attack from someone who is no stranger to such speaks.
Fact is however that very few pundits are prepared to take this on. Ewan McKenna did something similar when Kerry beat Tyrone in Killarney. If it's wrong, highlight it. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that.
Quote from: sheamy on September 21, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Let's divorce our own prejudices from this issue for a second...the fact is that cynical or deliberate fouling, call it what you want, is a major part of today's game. That is not a good thing imo. Pundits are right to highlight it. I can understand frustration from Mayo people on what seems like a personalised attack from someone who is no stranger to such speaks.
Fact is however that very few pundits are prepared to take this on. Ewan McKenna did something similar when Kerry beat Tyrone in Killarney. If it's wrong, highlight it. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that.
Well Brolly spent years laughing and deriding Mayo for being too nice and a soft touch. He can't have it every way.
Anyway, I doubt James Horan gives a flying fck today what that little loudmouth thinks.
I'd say Horan will be annoyed enough and will view it as an attempt to influence the referee - which it is. Brolly took great delight at having given Kerry ammunition with choker-gate and all that. It's sad really but the reality of most pundits, and alot of journalists, is that they are simply ego maniacs and not to be taken too seriously.
In All-Ireland finals referees tend not to be heavy on the bookings for fear of red cards and controversy. That will be a factor in the game. Both teams are expert at the cynical foul so it will be rife and the referee's interpretation of it (and consistency of that interpretation) will be key.
I hope Keegan will start (I expect him too though - a finger injury while nasty wouldn't prevent him from doing most of the training). Boyle on the other hand I'm not certain about - having a virus can really drain you. I'm not sure he will have the 70 mins in him. Barrett may start with Boyle as impact sub.
Also a very nice touch for Mayo to name Andy Moran as a selector in the team sheet.
Quote from: sheamy on September 21, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Let's divorce our own prejudices from this issue for a second...the fact is that cynical or deliberate fouling, call it what you want, is a major part of today's game. That is not a good thing imo. Pundits are right to highlight it. I can understand frustration from Mayo people on what seems like a personalised attack from someone who is no stranger to such speaks.
Fact is however that very few pundits are prepared to take this on. Ewan McKenna did something similar when Kerry beat Tyrone in Killarney. If it's wrong, highlight it. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that.
I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that cynical fouling is wrong but you can't dismiss the total lack of credibility Brolly brings to any argument. Donegal committ cynical fouls like Mayo but when Brolly refers to Donegal he talks about a system that'll do anything to stop you , where as with Mayo it's cynical fouling that should be punished. The problem most people have with Brolly is that he picks a side based on no analysis and then hammers a team generally in an snide, arrogant and disgusting way consistently which might have the odd rational point somewhere hidden in the Brolly hubris!
Also he latches on to a genuine problem or issue and twists it to have an attack on whatever county or player he wants to belittle just think of his comments about the Gooch and Kerry or Cork last year. I think this might be due to his training as a barrister where often the tactic is to muddy a valid point of view and turn it in your favour to sway an argument. So the biggest problem I have with Brolly is while he's right about cynical fouling he is using this in an underhand way at an opportune time to add weight to his view that Donegal will beat Mayo and this shifts the argument from any reasonable debate of the issue (as has manifested here) because he doesn't care as long as Joe's being heard!!
totally agree
Thai Tims special for Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG2n34DmPv4&feature=player_embedded
http://t.co/R18H80FI
Quote from: sheamy on September 21, 2012, 11:41:46 AM
I'd say Horan will be annoyed enough and will view it as an attempt to influence the referee - which it is. Brolly took great delight at having given Kerry ammunition with choker-gate and all that. It's sad really but the reality of most pundits, and alot of journalists, is that they are simply ego maniacs and not to be taken too seriously.
In All-Ireland finals referees tend not to be heavy on the bookings for fear of red cards and controversy. That will be a factor in the game. Both teams are expert at the cynical foul so it will be rife and the referee's interpretation of it (and consistency of that interpretation) will be key.
You obviously dont know Jamsie
Quote from: gerrykeegan on September 21, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Thai Tims special for Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG2n34DmPv4&feature=player_embedded
http://t.co/R18H80FI
Brilliant!!
Quote from: sheamy on September 21, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
totally agree
And so do I.
Time to get of my posterior now and go visit some old friends here in beautiful downtown Swinford. Brolly & Co. don't bother me but any attempt to influence Maurice Deegan's opinions on the subject certainly does.
But, as a parting shot, I'd say cynical fouling as we saw it in the Mayo v Dubs match is only touching on the problem of professional fouls and the fact that they are becoming increasingly common. Feigning injury to have an opponent sent off or to get a free is another issue that needs to be addressed. Forwards who trap an opponent's hand and then fall to ground dragging their markers with them to draw a free-in need sorting out also.
Mayo doesn't own the copyright on any of them.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 21, 2012, 12:58:15 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on September 21, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Thai Tims special for Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG2n34DmPv4&feature=player_embedded
http://t.co/R18H80FI
Brilliant!!
Unreal!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtZPt3MAIQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtZPt3MAIQ)
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
Channel 191 on Sky now ..... i have the kids in bed and a few cans. Feeling like i'm at home !
That whole subculture of country singers from Westmeath and Roscommon who wear stetsons and call themselves after cities in the US is nuts.
From Roscommon ???
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 20, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
4 frees in the last quarter my hole. They conceded 4 frees in injury time.
The best of luck to Mayo but don't be making stuff up.
I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
Dont no why ya bothered to explain that one,any fool etc.Cynical fouls my asss.A dublin team who knew their goose was cooked and it was die dog or shit the license time and a ref who,d let them away with assault and battery in aid of this,I digress.Mayo will always face 16 players on the field,win one and that will change,refs dont wanna make headlines and a mayo with rep will strike fear,as it is to them,"its only mayo ".Your right to be ref watchin but theres nothing we can do,its down to the boys,but beleive me refs pick up on all the hype,all of it.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 21, 2012, 06:39:21 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on September 20, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Stuff Brolly and all belonging to him.
As a good Donegal friend put it when I asked him what he thought of JB, "I wouldn't give the full of me arse of burnt snow for thon Brolly fella."
Well, I wouldn't give the full of his arse of burnt anything for what anyone has to say about Mayo's 'cynical' approach. (Mind you very big man, even bigger arse.)
As I recall, Mayo gave away four frees in the last quarter after having the crap kicked out of them throughout the entire game, with two blood subs on and Kevin Mac forced to go back in.
Anyway, off to the shamrock and heather now until Saturdays so f**k the begrudgers.
4 frees in the last quarter my hole. They conceded 4 frees in injury time.
The best of luck to Mayo but don't be making stuff up.
I beg your pardon; I didn't explain what I meant properly.
I had been talking about cynical fouling and was thinking of what Brolly had said so I didn't stress this point enough.
BTW, I'm not taking a pop at Dublin or Joe Mac. The game belongs to history now.
But I am concerned at Brolly's subjective use of statistics.
I am afraid that what he and his likes are implying might influence Maurice Deegan's handling of the game to come.
I have no reason to doubt the ref's integrity but I do resent Brolly's remarks on the subject.
I have rewatched the video and I'm standing over what I have to say.
From the 55th minute onward to the final whistle, the ref awarded a total of 12 frees.
7 were awarded to Dublin and 5 to Mayo. So, in terms of frees awarded, there was little between the sides.
Of the seven Mayo conceded, 4 were described by McStay as cynical and I'd agree with him.
Of the 4, only two were blatantly obvious. the likes of the others were committed by both sides throughout the entire game. Both sides used jersey tugging, hands over the shoulder and the likes to their advantage.
Brolly ( in his piece on Hoganstand) claimed that Mayo committed a total of 27 tactical fouls throughout the game and came into it with this approach as part of their game plan. The fact is McQuillan failed to pick up on numerous fouls committed by both sides and the teams copped on fairly quickly that he wasn't up to the mark.
Each was as bad as the other in this regard.
So why go to town on Mayo's 'cynical' play to the exclusion of all other factors?
Dont no why ya bothered to explain that one,any fool etc.Cynical fouls my asss.A dublin team who knew their goose was cooked and it was die dog or shit the license time and a ref who,d let them away with assault and battery in aid of this,I digress.Mayo will always face 16 players on the field,win one and that will change,refs dont wanna make headlines and a mayo with rep will strike fear,as it is to them,"its only mayo ".Your right to be ref watchin but theres nothing we can do,its down to the boys,but beleive me refs pick up on all the hype,all of it.
Yes they do! Ask why Jim McGuinness was huffed (and rightly so) last year after beating Kildare. When some one from the back room in Kildare highlighted their cynical tackling. He knew the pressure the Ref was being put under.
McHugh was a cute hoor on the news sayin he was down in mayo during the week and the hype was just as big if not bigger down here and went on to say that we have already a seat booked for san on the flight to New York for the away fbd final
Spillane on Donegal - The Evolution
http://youtu.be/KZkJLl7cspw
Quote from: Champ15 on September 21, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
McHugh was a cute hoor on the news sayin he was down in mayo during the week and the hype was just as big if not bigger down here and went on to say that we have already a seat booked for san on the flight to New York for the away fbd final
Ah good old Marty, yeah we're gone mad here in Mayo. ::)
And as for booking an extra seat on the plane..........Yeah! ;D
I'm afraid there was not 15k extra flags ordered here either.
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2012, 07:36:14 PM
Spillane on Donegal - The Evolution
http://youtu.be/KZkJLl7cspw
Eight meals a day that sounds more like a diet for bodybuilder than a gaelic footballer.
Bodybuilders wouldn't be doing anything close to the amount of running as a inter-county player, the Arnies out there are usually told to limit their aerobic exercise as too much leads to muscle wastage.
Who is Mayo's captain?
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
Who is Mayo's captain?
Lee Keegan, had a sh1t game v Dublin the last day!
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
Who is Mayo's captain?
David Clarke is the acting captain.
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Got a ticket! WOOHOO! UPARA!
Can't wait. C'mon Donegal.
Now, how do you work this ebay thing?
I'll give you a calf for it.
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Got a ticket! WOOHOO! UPARA!
Can't wait. C'mon Donegal.
Now, how do you work this ebay thing?
I'll give you a calf for it.
I was born with two of those and still have them.
This one is able to produce natural fertizer, though.
If Mayo miraculously won, will they ask Moran to lift her?
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Got a ticket! WOOHOO! UPARA!
Can't wait. C'mon Donegal.
Now, how do you work this ebay thing?
Moy Who.
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
If Mayo miraculously won, will they ask Moran to lift her?
They would probably ask Enda Kenny to come down the row or two and accept the Cup! Andy Moran is a selector with team. Why would you ask a selector to lift the Cup?
Hope ye Donegalers and Mwr bucks all enjoy ye're big day out .
For the neutral it's good to see 2 new teams in the Final ( for me I would prefer not to see 1 of them :P) and lets hope the game matches the occasion which I think it will.
I'm plumping for a draw.
By the way Syferus I got a ticket but gave it to a Donegal chap at work. :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2012, 10:13:42 PM
Hope ye Donegalers and Mwr bucks all enjoy ye're big day out .
For the neutral it's good to see 2 new teams in the Final ( for me I would prefer not to see 1 of them :P) and lets hope the game matches the occasion which I think it will.
I'm plumping for a draw.
By the way Syferus I got a ticket but gave it to a Donegal chap at work. :-*
I'd be doing porridge in Castlerea if I had to give you money, so it's probably for the best :-X
If any Ros people tell me they were at that game I'll be up on an assault charge.
Have they no shame ....
Think of the children....
It will be an awful insult in years to come --- yer oul lad went to the 2012 AIF >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2012, 10:27:44 PM
If any Ros people tell me they were at that game I'll be up on an assault charge.
Have they no shame ....
Think of the children....
It will be an awful insult in years to come --- yer oul lad went to the 2012 AIF >:(
Heard some mighty Ros names that are going on the underground wire, you're going to have a faught weekend me oul' mateen ;)
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Got a ticket! WOOHOO! UPARA!
Can't wait. C'mon Donegal.
Now, how do you work this ebay thing?
I'll give you a calf for it.
I was born with two of those and still have them.
This one is able to produce natural fertizer, though.
The man has 20k posts, he's well able to match anything a heifer calf can produce
Looking forward to this game 2 best teams in the country. Not sure who I want to win? Hope all the Mayo and DOnegal folks enjoy the build up?
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
Our club got 10 tickets. Open draw.
We have a massive hurling match on Sunday which clashes with the AIF.
Hope that wipes out half the battlefield. ;D
I'd the hotel booked ages ago though lads.
How'd you get on with the ticket situation?
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: drici on September 21, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 18, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
Our club got 10 tickets. Open draw.
We have a massive hurling match on Sunday which clashes with the AIF.
Hope that wipes out half the battlefield. ;D
I'd the hotel booked ages ago though lads.
How'd you get on with the ticket situation?
Yip, I've got a golden ticket.
Me a couple of hours ago:
(http://bookriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/charlie-bucket.jpg)
For shame. Flogging it on ebay?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 21, 2012, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 21, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Got a ticket! WOOHOO! UPARA!
Can't wait. C'mon Donegal.
Now, how do you work this ebay thing?
I'll give you a calf for it.
I was born with two of those and still have them.
This one is able to produce natural fertizer, though.
The man has 20k posts, he's well able to match anything a heifer calf can produce
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debatable, ;D
Theres tickets out there.Started trip this mornin and all 3 of us were shy.Half way to wales and one pops up.Half way across the sea Bazinga,another.One more please please please,preferably as i sit down ta me first guinesss in O Connell st.So no despondency lads and lassies their out there and startin to filter down,keep tryin.
You've been away too long. There's no place in O'Connell Street you should be drinking Guinness.
I think sam will be heading for the hills of Donegal come sunday.I was in Croke Park to witness them against Cork in the semi and to say I was impressed was an understatement,the intensity,work rate,movement,dispossession of opponents and the aerial ability in midfield was a joy to behold.
I have every sympathy for Mayo,they being the nearly men on far too many occasions,it would be great to see all their supporters getting a reward at last.They are impressive this year and deserve to be in the final,I like the edge they have to their play this year especially in the tackle/defense.
I was at a wedding last weekend and met some Mayo people who moved to Meath in the 50s with the Land Commission,one lady told me that her father is blaming the move to Meath for they not winning since 1951.Of course Meath football has benefited from the progeny of the west of ireland "immigrants", Colm O'Rourke being just one.
just bagged a ticket so feeling very please with myself and grateful to a sound oul skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvMyNEL0tok&feature=related
Quote from: cavanlad on September 22, 2012, 05:46:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvMyNEL0tok&feature=related
Jesus, has Ger Canning been doing it for 20 years?
Longer......from wiki
''in 1980 he joined the national broadcaster, Radio Telefís Éireann, as a member of the station's sports department. As a fluent Irish-speaker his first All-Ireland final commentary was on RTÉ 2 in 1981, because the station then had a policy of using the two channels for commentaries in both English and Irish. After Michael O'Hehir's retirement due to ill-health in 1985, Canning became the main Gaelic games commentator on RTÉ television. Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh took over O'Hehir's duties as a radio commentator. To date Canning has broadcast nearly 50 All-Ireland finals (including three in Irish).''
What a lovely moonlit night out. Maybe it s an omen - moonlight in Mayo!
Driving up in the morning. More in hope than in confidence but it s great to be in a final with a chance of winning even if we re underdogs.
Before a ball was kicked I thought Donegal were the best team in the country and I expected them to win every game they have played so far and if they were playing anybody else tomorrow I would expect them to win - and want them to win. Contrary to most other opinion I liked the way that Donegal have gone about their business. I couldn t see them play often enough.
But I think Mayo have a punchers chance in this. And that s not too bad. Technically we have players as good as there s out there. Donegal looked well ahead of Mayo 4 months ago but the nature of gaelic football seasons is that teams adapt and close gaps quickly May - September.
I never believed we lost finals to Kerry just because it was Kerry we were playing. We were not as good 04/06 as Kerry and it was not a collapse. 97 was the one we should have won and our misfire was of our own making and nothing to do with the Kerry jersey.
I dont believe either that because we ve lost so many and that we have to win one some time. We don t. Each final is a 50/50 at best. This team has not played a final before and if we lose many of these players may never get back there again.
I ve always believed that we often did not give ourselves the best chance of success - not just finals - with poor managerial appointments/ poor selection/ poor tactics/ poor preparation etc. Obviously those problems are no longer the issue the used to be in Mayo since the current management took over. We re blessed that 2 of our best players ever - Horan and Nallen - are there. Both would be multiple AI winners if some of those around them were as good. Successive managements also let them down. I don t think these lads will let anybody down and Cian O Neill has done what we thought he would. Barry Moran still sound in late September!
I m sure Mayo have done everything possible to give us the best chance tomorrow. It still may not be good enough because Donegal will have nailed their preparation as well. I m already proud of this Mayo team and I think I ll still be proud of them tomorrow night win or lose. Best of luck to my old soldiers, Clarkie, Caff, Kevin Mac, Ronan, Michael, Evan and the rest of the Mayo package.
Going to leave it at that. Getting a bit of emotional tbh. AI final day has a bit of baggage for me and not just about losing games. But it s great to be in an AI final again and these are the experiences of our lives.
Mind yerselves tomorrow those of ye on the road. And win or lose make sure ye get back to the hills or the heather in one piece.
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Each final is a 50/50 at best.
You imply that the maximum chance any team can have going into an All-Ireland final is 50%, but also that a team can have a less than 50% chance. Let's say for argument's sake Mayo have a 30% chance tomorrow. Does that mean Donegal still onlly have a 50% chance? What happens to the other 20%?
;)
Kerry have to have a chance in there somewhere.
Quote from: Sidney on September 23, 2012, 01:10:47 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Each final is a 50/50 at best.
You imply that the maximum chance any team can have going into an All-Ireland final is 50%, but also that a team can have a less than 50% chance. Let's say for argument's sake Mayo have a 30% chance tomorrow. Does that mean Donegal still onlly have a 50% chance? What happens to the other 20%?
;)
You know what I mean!
Nerves/excitement are at an optimum level now.
Hopefully at around 5 all us Mayo fans will see the one moment we've been waiting for since the day we were born.
Anyway just want to say best of luck to the team and management today. As long as they put in a honest performance I'll be proud!
Safe travelling to all supporters still on their way up>
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!
Jez, the nerves and excitement. Have not felt this since 2004. Safe journeys to all the Mayo, Donegal and Gael supporters. Hopefully we get one hell of a game today. It will be an emotional day no matter who win. Time to catch the train. Slan.
Just up now, the sun rise over the Mask in the mist this morning is a joy to behold. Have the goose bumps already, all the talking is over (for me anyhow). It's over to James and the lads now. Hopefully, Sam will be heading for Ballyforan and the Shannon tomorrow.
As for omems, i switched on RTE radio this morning and there were the Saw Doctors, with the Red and Green of Mayo, the tears rose up inside!!!
From Galway to Dublin, from Derry to Kerry
New York and 'Frisco and Boston also
In Pittsburg, Chicago, Detroit and Toronto
There are stout-hearted men from the County Mayo
Now boys, pull together in all sorts of weather
Don't show the white feather, wherever you go
Act each as a brother and help one another
Like true hearted men from the County Mayo
Go n-eiri linn.
Maigh Eo Abu!
Slan!!
Great stuff, men. Enjoy the day. Give an ould shout for our lads in the minors.
Good luck to both teams today. Hard to believe it's eleven years since there was an AI final not involving either Kerry or Tyrone. Really looking forward to this one. I'm cheering for the green andand red myself (family connection) but won't complain if Murphy lifts Sam either.
Enjoy your day ladies and gentlemen, I for one am very jealous!
Drove the parents up yesterday and we played a game of guess which car was going to the all-Ireland, every second car had a mayo flag. We reckoned u wouldn't go into any shop that had both flags outside, pin your colours to the mast or be damned.
We forget in Mayo how lucky we are to have these days evey few years, twould make u giddy!
Hopefully this is the year although I've a feeling donegal might just be the better team but I'm hopeful of stage fright
Far away from the land of the Shamrock and heather
In search of a living, as exiles we roam
But whenever we chance to assemble together
We think of the land where we once had a home:
But these homes are destroyed and our soil confiscated
The hand of the tyrant brought plunder and woe;
The fires are now quenched and our hearts desolated
In our once happy homes in the County Mayo
Long years have now passed since with hearts full of sorrow
The of the Shamrock we left far behind;
But how we would like to go back there to-morrow;
To the scenes of our youth, which we still bear in mind;
The days of our childhood, it's now we recall them
They cling to our vision wherever we go;
And the friends of our youth we will never forget them
They too ar exiled from the County Mayo
From historic Killala, from Swinford to Calla
Ballyhaunis and Westport and old Castlebar
Kiltimagh and Claremorris, Belmullet and Erris
Kilkelly and Knock that's famed near and far;
Balla, Ballinrobe, Ballina and Bohola
Keeloges and Foxford a few miles below
Newport and Cong with old Straide and Manulla
Charlestown too, in the County Mayo
Then on with the cause 'till our aim is accomplished
Those who would fault us are cowardly and mean
So stand in the fight 'till the tyrant is vanquished
Expelled from our Dear little Island of Green
With the foes of our land we have fought a long battle
Soon they will get their last death-dealing blow
When old Nick has received them, their brains he will rattle
For the wrongs they have done to the County Mayo
From Galway to Dublin, from Derry to Kerry
New York and 'Frisco and Boston also
In Pittsburg, Chicago, Detroit and Toronto
There are stout-hearted men from the County Mayo
Now boys, pull together in all sorts of weather
Don't show the white feather, wherever you go
Act each as a brother and help one another
Like true hearted men from the County Mayo
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
Good luck to both teams today. Hard to believe it's eleven years since there was an AI final not involving either Kerry or Tyrone. Really looking forward to this one. I'm cheering for the green andand red myself (family connection) but won't complain if Murphy lifts Sam either.
Enjoy your day ladies and gentlemen, I for one am very jealous!
Cork v Down in 2010 !!
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
What a lovely moonlit night out. Maybe it s an omen - moonlight in Mayo!
Driving up in the morning. More in hope than in confidence but it s great to be in a final with a chance of winning even if we re underdogs.
Before a ball was kicked I thought Donegal were the best team in the country and I expected them to win every game they have played so far and if they were playing anybody else tomorrow I would expect them to win - and want them to win. Contrary to most other opinion I liked the way that Donegal have gone about their business. I couldn t see them play often enough.
But I think Mayo have a punchers chance in this. And that s not too bad. Technically we have players as good as there s out there. Donegal looked well ahead of Mayo 4 months ago but the nature of gaelic football seasons is that teams adapt and close gaps quickly May - September.
I never believed we lost finals to Kerry just because it was Kerry we were playing. We were not as good 04/06 as Kerry and it was not a collapse. 97 was the one we should have won and our misfire was of our own making and nothing to do with the Kerry jersey.
I dont believe either that because we ve lost so many and that we have to win one some time. We don t. Each final is a 50/50 at best. This team has not played a final before and if we lose many of these players may never get back there again.
I ve always believed that we often did not give ourselves the best chance of success - not just finals - with poor managerial appointments/ poor selection/ poor tactics/ poor preparation etc. Obviously those problems are no longer the issue the used to be in Mayo since the current management took over. We re blessed that 2 of our best players ever - Horan and Nallen - are there. Both would be multiple AI winners if some of those around them were as good. Successive managements also let them down. I don t think these lads will let anybody down and Cian O Neill has done what we thought he would. Barry Moran still sound in late September!
I m sure Mayo have done everything possible to give us the best chance tomorrow. It still may not be good enough because Donegal will have nailed their preparation as well. I m already proud of this Mayo team and I think I ll still be proud of them tomorrow night win or lose. Best of luck to my old soldiers, Clarkie, Caff, Kevin Mac, Ronan, Michael, Evan and the rest of the Mayo package.
Going to leave it at that. Getting a bit of emotional tbh. AI final day has a bit of baggage for me and not just about losing games. But it s great to be in an AI final again and these are the experiences of our lives.
Mind yerselves tomorrow those of ye on the road. And win or lose make sure ye get back to the hills or the heather in one piece.
+1
Starin out the window of me georgian hotel room at Doney boys doin the same across the road at meself.Ach,so all dreams,teams and roads lead to this,this city,to that stadium 2minutes away,and to the glory of the Gael,old Sam Magiure.Shiverin a bit,tis nippy,shakin, a little raw nerves and excitment,and maybe a small bit of distemper,a result of not a few pints of porter and paddy in the gresham lastnite.Im sorry its Donegal we,re takn the heads off,good cousins and neighbours and equal partners in centuries old wanderings in this world,but Mayo are making no return to the "house of pain".Our time there is done and done for good.The men of The Heather will "rise up" up on this day and take their rightful place in the pantheon of legends.
Maigh Eo Abu
last-minute read on Donegal's 'Secret' link - http://tinyurl.com/bmebb8o (http://tinyurl.com/bmebb8o)
O'Connell Street buzzing already.
Head says Donegal; heart says Mayo - come on MAYO.
Quote from: Hardy on September 22, 2012, 04:05:10 PM
You've been away too long. There's no place in O'Connell Street you should be drinking Guinness.
Thought the ones in the gresham were all right lastnite Hardy,or is this a phantom hangover :D
Will give yere minors a cheer if me wife dosent get a ticket.(babycham in the car and all that ;D ;D ;D)but shes a Dub and not to be annoyed twice in the one month! ;)
goodluck today.
There is nothing like standing under the Hogan at 5.15 i measc do mhuintir on one of the Sundays in September and the all Ireland won and it is time for Mayo to get that buzz again.
I think Horan has the steel required. Maigh Eo abu.
Quote from: cadence on September 22, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
just bagged a ticket so feeling very please with myself and grateful to a sound oul skin.
Well done Cadence,enjoy the day.
ON another note,Tunnel collapsed so have ta go in the conventional,through the gates :) :)
Colm O'Rourke in todays Sunday Independent.
"if you climb Mount Everest nobody will ask you whether you went up the hard or the easy way" :o
I must climb it myself so, never realised there was an easy way.
All the very best to both teams today, will be an emotional day no matter who wins ... When was the last time both football and hurling finals were a draw in the same year? Stranger things have happened.
Unfortunately, I'm exiled abroad in Canada this year, is there any reliable online link to view the game from outside of Ireland? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
There is nothing like standing under the Hogan at 5.15 i measc do mhuintir on one of the Sundays in September and the all Ireland won and it is time for Mayo to get that buzz again.
I think Horan has the steel required. Maigh Eo abu.
Hopefully Seafoid, and yer lads next Sunday lad.
Up Mayo
I still think it will be a draw. ???
Prediction:
Donegal 1.10 vs 0.13 Mayo.
Never more than two points between the sides in a cagey but dull game.
Sunday Game give motm to McFadden for his goal, when the whole world reckons it should have been Dillon or McLoughlin.
Everyone continue to tip Donegal for the replay, but Mayo walk it.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 23, 2012, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
Good luck to both teams today. Hard to believe it's eleven years since there was an AI final not involving either Kerry or Tyrone. Really looking forward to this one. I'm cheering for the green andand red myself (family connection) but won't complain if Murphy lifts Sam either.
Enjoy your day ladies and gentlemen, I for one am very jealous!
Cork v Down in 2010 !!
Oops, the aul memory is slipping in my old age!
I'm hearing rumors from home that Aiden O'Se won't start, no idea if it's reliable
Quote from: balladmaker on September 23, 2012, 11:27:55 AM
All the very best to both teams today, will be an emotional day no matter who wins ... When was the last time both football and hurling finals were a draw in the same year? Stranger things have happened.
Unfortunately, I'm exiled abroad in Canada this year, is there any reliable online link to view the game from outside of Ireland? Thanks in advance.
Ustream have been very good most days, but you have to pay for it.
http://www.ustream.tv/gaappv (http://www.ustream.tv/gaappv)
Quote from: balladmaker on September 23, 2012, 11:27:55 AM
All the very best to both teams today, will be an emotional day no matter who wins ... When was the last time both football and hurling finals were a draw in the same year? Stranger things have happened.
Unfortunately, I'm exiled abroad in Canada this year, is there any reliable online link to view the game from outside of Ireland? Thanks in advance.
You could try vipbox.tv they sometimes show GAA,its a free pirate,also tykes tv has been mentioned in the past on the Fear Rua site as being good for GAA,the best of luck.
If Boyle, Keegan and O'Se are not 100% then Donegal will definitely win. Unsubstantiated injury rumours are common in the week before big games but we know all 3 have issues so this time there may be something to it. Hopefully all 3 are fine and it's a great game. Best of luck to everyone involved in any capacity.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 23, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
What a lovely moonlit night out. Maybe it s an omen - moonlight in Mayo!
Driving up in the morning. More in hope than in confidence but it s great to be in a final with a chance of winning even if we re underdogs.
Before a ball was kicked I thought Donegal were the best team in the country and I expected them to win every game they have played so far and if they were playing anybody else tomorrow I would expect them to win - and want them to win. Contrary to most other opinion I liked the way that Donegal have gone about their business. I couldn t see them play often enough.
But I think Mayo have a punchers chance in this. And that s not too bad. Technically we have players as good as there s out there. Donegal looked well ahead of Mayo 4 months ago but the nature of gaelic football seasons is that teams adapt and close gaps quickly May - September.
I never believed we lost finals to Kerry just because it was Kerry we were playing. We were not as good 04/06 as Kerry and it was not a collapse. 97 was the one we should have won and our misfire was of our own making and nothing to do with the Kerry jersey.
I dont believe either that because we ve lost so many and that we have to win one some time. We don t. Each final is a 50/50 at best. This team has not played a final before and if we lose many of these players may never get back there again.
I ve always believed that we often did not give ourselves the best chance of success - not just finals - with poor managerial appointments/ poor selection/ poor tactics/ poor preparation etc. Obviously those problems are no longer the issue the used to be in Mayo since the current management took over. We re blessed that 2 of our best players ever - Horan and Nallen - are there. Both would be multiple AI winners if some of those around them were as good. Successive managements also let them down. I don t think these lads will let anybody down and Cian O Neill has done what we thought he would. Barry Moran still sound in late September!
I m sure Mayo have done everything possible to give us the best chance tomorrow. It still may not be good enough because Donegal will have nailed their preparation as well. I m already proud of this Mayo team and I think I ll still be proud of them tomorrow night win or lose. Best of luck to my old soldiers, Clarkie, Caff, Kevin Mac, Ronan, Michael, Evan and the rest of the Mayo package.
Going to leave it at that. Getting a bit of emotional tbh. AI final day has a bit of baggage for me and not just about losing games. But it s great to be in an AI final again and these are the experiences of our lives.
Mind yerselves tomorrow those of ye on the road. And win or lose make sure ye get back to the hills or the heather in one piece.
+1
Starin out the window of me georgian hotel room at Doney boys doin the same across the road at meself.Ach,so all dreams,teams and roads lead to this,this city,to that stadium 2minutes away,and to the glory of the Gael,old Sam Magiure.Shiverin a bit,tis nippy,shakin, a little raw nerves and excitment,and maybe a small bit of distemper,a result of not a few pints of porter and paddy in the gresham lastnite.Im sorry its Donegal we,re takn the heads off,good cousins and neighbours and equal partners in centuries old wanderings in this world,but Mayo are making no return to the "house of pain".Our time there is done and done for good.The men of The Heather will "rise up" up on this day and take their rightful place in the pantheon of legends.
Maigh Eo Abu
Two great posts there lads,keep em coming!
I was thinking of all the older Mayo people in their 70s and beyond in London and New York etc who may not have been back in a long time but who will be tuning in this afternoon and what it would mean to them if the red and green did it. Le cunamh De.
Dire minor game.
Ah I dunno. Good standard of defending on both sides.
That "point" by Costelloe looked wide to me.
Two points in the first half is poor enough, though.
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
I was thinking of all the older Mayo people in their 70s and beyond in London and New York etc who may not have been back in a long time but who will be tuning in this afternoon and what it would mean to them if the red and green did it. Le cunamh De.
I was in New York last year at the time of the Ulster Final and the Connacht Final was the same day. Donegal and Mayo were both represented on the day. McCormicks Bar in Manhatten was full of supporters cheering both teams on and even cheered for each other. Doubt they will be doing that today though! All the best to all involved
Andy Moran walking on green and red crutches!
Almost time for action now.
I got no ticket but no fear either. Horan % Co. have left nothing to chance; they can't do any more. Their team will give their best and that's all that can be asked of them.
If we win, I'll be happy and if we don't, then so be it.
May everyone travelling to the game have safe journey there and back and I hope we have a game to remember.
Best of luck to everyone from donegal and mayo. Thought donegal looked more relaxed in the pre-match bits and pieces.
Best Wishes to all involved today - Personally hope Mayo can do it - They've suffered too many times at the hands of the green & gold so hopefully they wont succomb today!!
I've went for, Mayo first half Donegal to win second half, doubt it now with the wind but sure, up Donegal
Is that game over already?
Super goal.
Is that game over already?
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No way! But next couple of scores for Donegal and it could be!
Possibly should've been a red card there.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 23, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Possibly should've been a red card there.
No chance! Mayo need a score.
They're giving up goals and cards....Mayo implosion beckoning?
Same oul Mayo
Mayo will lose players also here, they are getting dicked all over the pitch!!
oh dear
Mayo all at sea at the back.
Interesting that Donegal had a very intense warm - up while Mayo were very casual and just standing around waiting for the game to start. Donegal seem to have gt it right so far. Mayo better settle quickly or this one will be gone. The Mayo full-forward line are getting roasted. Ah fcuk another goal.
OMG mayo
Deja vu all over again for Mayo
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 23, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Possibly should've been a red card there.
Later in the game and that would have been red
Over now? May fucked over there, had to have been a free out. Keane messed up big time.
jesus christ mayo are bloody awful.................beating the dubs again maketh their season
Mayo point, the curse is lifted!
Why do Mayo always shit themselves? Never has a county produced so many quality players who constantly bottle AI Finals.
Come on Mayo. Let's make a match of this.
Why is Keane still marking Murphy?
Take Keane off Murphy!
how bad are mayo
Bring on david brady for oshea
Quote from: Collins on September 23, 2012, 03:47:30 PM
Why do Mayo always shit themselves? Never has a county produced so many quality players who constantly bottle AI Finals.
OK, Mayo look lost here.
Against this team who wouldn't?
Talk about a well oiled team.
Mayo are trying to be physical with a more physical team, fooking daft
I'd say Mayo need to switch from Plan A. Except is there a Plan A?
Mayo are dung. They seem to think that they can match Donegals physicality by throwing late shoulders and elbows. It's men against boys at this stage.
McFadden having some game so far.
Have Mayo learned anything from their last 2 finals? Big day chokers again! Game over!
Deegan is cack, some very strange decisions.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 03:54:42 PM
Deegan is cack, some very strange decisions.
Referee won't make any difference in this game
Thes long balls into the forward line aren't working, Mayo need to start running from deep and use the wings.
It looks like Mayo came through a much easier side of the draw. I don't think it's really a case of Mayo choking, just that Donegal are much better.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2012, 03:56:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 03:54:42 PM
Deegan is cack, some very strange decisions.
Referee won't make any difference in this game
Possibly. A long way to go yet though.
Refs doing his best to make a game of this
six scores to five.
Donegal goals masking a poor performance.
Mayo getting rough. How many to be sent off if the game is out of reach for them?
Mayo's late and off the ball challenges are a disgrace and are matched only by rte's biased commentary against Donegal.
Hopefully May will shit the brick like they usually do and let football be the winner.
Only three points in it and Mayo have the wind in the 2nd half. Some amount of soft free given in fairness.
Shaping up for a good second half, didn't think it was gonna be a game at all after 10 mins..
Some amount of over-reaction in this thread as well as some good old Ulster martyrism.
Quote from: dillinger on September 23, 2012, 04:07:33 PM
Mayo getting rough. How many to be sent off if the game is out of reach for them?
looks like they'll have to decapitate someone before they lose a man :o
Mayo very cynical with the late hits and Deegan doing nothing about it. Be interesting to hear what Brolly has to say.
I think donegal will step up again in 2nd half. Looks very hard work for mayo but give them credit for not totally collapsing. Looks a big mistake on the sideline to not have had Cafferky in full back slot on Murphy.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Donegal goals masking a poor performance.
Hey it's not bad, better to be in the final at half time up by 3 and playing crap than siting at home watching it
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 04:10:05 PM
Some amount of over-reaction in this thread as well as some good old Ulster martyrism.
Yeah and plenty of lads getting ahead of themselves and labelling Mayo chokers after 5 minutes. Mayo have shown some nerve to come back into it.
the noise that comes out of the croke park loud speakers nowadays is pathetic imo.
I think Donegal will push on in the 2nd half when they stop giving the ball away.
The fouling needs to be cut out - those neck high "tackles" are a disgrace
I think Mayo will go on to win this.
I tipped mayo but I thought they'd do it from the front. Can they come back against the tightest defence in the championship, I'm not so sure but hopefully they can.
Quote from: gaagaa on September 23, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
Mayo's late and off the ball challenges are a disgrace and are matched only by rte's biased commentary against Donegal.
Hopefully May will shit the brick like they usually do and let football be the winner.
Still better to watch it on rte than the bbc where a championship programme is only broadcast if a team from the north is playing and they're not biased either ;-) .........
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2012, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 23, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Donegal goals masking a poor performance.
Hey it's not bad, better to be in the final at half time up by 3 and playing crap than siting at home watching it
I suppose i should have said they are not their usual selves.
Mayo getting all the decisions following their bad start, but still showing great guts to come back into the game.
I have to state the obvious and point out that Mayo's full back line is in serious trouble, and Donegal look like being able to score at will when they put the long ball in.
Quote from: comethekingdom on September 23, 2012, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: gaagaa on September 23, 2012, 04:09:15 PM
Mayo's late and off the ball challenges are a disgrace and are matched only by rte's biased commentary against Donegal.
Hopefully May will shit the brick like they usually do and let football be the winner.
Still better to watch it on rte than the bbc where a championship programme is only broadcast if a team from the north is playing and they're not biased either ;-) .........
It's not that they are biased, it's that their stats are unreliable and their main commentator sees his role as a comedian than a serious journalist?
What was that free on Varley for?
Why does the ref constantly hae to get his hands on the ball when he is moving a free 10 yards for interference or dissent?
Thats not punishing the offending team, its helping them as its slowing things down.
We need to have a serious look at our advantage rules. The AFL is the way to go.
Mayo need a goal as I dont see them turning this with points. They were unlucky for the 2nd goal as they should have had a free at the other end immediately before it.
2 bad wides in as many minutes for Mayo
Mayo's cynical fouling continues - Deegan needs to catch a grip
Ref has touched the ball more than some of the players
This isn't about you ffs - its about the players
Lots of cheap shots and sneaky stuff going on. Difficult to referee it.
Mayo once again with a severe lack of composure once it gets relatively close
Drop an easy ball on sideline, win it back, 4 on 2 in midfield, player drives it into the back of his own player instead of an easy handpass across to a teammate
Looks like D'gal got this.
Poor old Mayo. Time to start the even nastier stuff.
Donegal are a great team. Beating Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Down, Donegal and Derry is a hard-won All-Ireland.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 23, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
Looks like D'gal got this.
all it takes is a soft penalty.....
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 23, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Donegal are a great team. Beating Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Down, Donegal and Derry is a hard-won All-Ireland.
That was a particularly hard fought win.
A Mayo goal would make this very tasty indeed.
fine score there.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 23, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 23, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Donegal are a great team. Beating Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Down, Donegal and Derry is a hard-won All-Ireland.
That was a particularly hard fought win.
:) Right ya are.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 23, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Donegal are a great team. Beating Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Down, Donegal and Derry is a hard-won All-Ireland.
Tyrone also
Congrats to Donegal, best team won. Next year
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 23, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Donegal are a great team. Beating Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Down, Donegal and Derry is a hard-won All-Ireland.
Cheers Asal... Not sure Down were that big of a test for them this year but.
Another all Ireland final defeat for Mayo and Sam for the hills :)
Come on Donegal - get on that pitch !!!
Winning two Ulster's back-to-back from the preliminary round deserves an All-Ireland.
Fair play Donegal. Cracking team and are well deserved All Ireland winners. Some craic in Donegal tonight
Better team won. Mayo fought the good fight and should hold their heads high. I hope they come back next year.
Fair play Donegal.
Brutal game though.
Thoroughly deserved by Donegal.
Well done Donegal you deserved it.
MAyo, you were a disgrace - go home and cry in your beer.
The irony is that,if you had tried to play football, you may well have won it - your tactics were a disgrace
The long night continues.
Well done Donegal - to be fair to Mayo they battled hard when they could have crumbled but Donegal always had them at arms length.
Well done Donegal. Lovely county and people. By far the best team today. Having said that a simple handling mistake from Mayo cost them dearly.
Poor game and nowhere near as entertaining as either of the semi finals but Donegal won't care. Deserving champions and the best team this year without doubt. Commiserations to Mayo, deserve credit for not folding after the horrific start, albeit I'm not sure sure they were ever all that likely to reel Donegal back in. Congratulations Donegal - let the party begin ;D
Mayo will rue their start to this game. I'd question their lack of a proper warm-up. Donegal did a very intense, professional warm-up routine which probably got the nerves out of them and allowed them to start at full intensity.
Well done Donegal - deserved winners.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 23, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
Mayo will rue their start to this game. I'd question their lack of a proper warm-up. Donegal did a very intense, professional warm-up routine which probably got the nerves out of them and allowed them to start at full intensity.
You could be onto something there. You needy start with the engine well revved
Congrats to our fine neighbours Donegal, will be some craic tonight and for the next few weeks. Off out to Muff for a belly full of porter...CMTF
congrats Donegal, thoroughly deserved
Well done Donegal!!
Deserved champions. Mayo will have to try again but in fairness they have improved. There'll be some craic in Donegal tonight. :-)
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Congrats to Donegal, deserved it after two years of unreal commitment and dedication
Fair play to you. Will be some job keeping that up for the next few years.
What can you say about Mayo? Another chapter for the house of pain, those lads must be devastated. A great effort but just didn't have enough.
Well done Donegal , absolute teamwork and a man with a plan, enjoy it you have earned it .
Hard lines to Mayo , an other team would have folded the tent after the second goal but this one didn't and will surely be back . Enjoyable game for the neutral and Spillane trying a touch of Spanish was comedy gold .
A good game nearly ruined by clueless refereeing. I was surprised by how much Mayo rattled Donegal. I thought they'd win more comfortably. This is not the Mayo of old and I think the dreams of 60 years can become more realistic hopes over the next few years.
There won't be a grant applied for in Donegal tonight.
Congrats the Tír Chonaill & Inis Eoghain men, some craic in Donegal is right! ;)
Well Done Donegal, thoroughly deserved victory. I do feel for Mayo but i think there is an All Ireland in that team, they never gave up. It would have been very interesting if Andy Moran hadn't picked up that horrible injury and started today.
Donegal weren't firing on all cylinders today but that great start set them up for the game, they were never losing a 7 point lead.
Neil McGee was immense.
well done to donegal. well deserved.
Well deserved title. Donegal's poorest performance of the year meant it was a closer game.
Feel for Mayo. That start was the stuff of nightmares.
Delighted for Donegal, Murphy, McGee especially good.
McGuinness press conference just started, journalists tweeting saying he insisted that Declan Bogue (This is Our Year) leave the room before he began. Said he published "untruths".
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 23, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
Delighted for Donegal, Murphy, McGee especially good.
McGuinness press conference just started, journalists tweeting saying he insisted that Declan Bogue (This is Our Year) leave the room before he began. Said he published "untruths".
Doing the old Fergie style control-freakery.
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 23, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
Delighted for Donegal, Murphy, McGee especially good.
McGuinness press conference just started, journalists tweeting saying he insisted that Declan Bogue (This is Our Year) leave the room before he began. Said he published "untruths".
That's a bit much, now. How is the press conference his to control? A bit of generosity of spirit in victory goes a long way.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 23, 2012, 06:31:43 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 23, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
Delighted for Donegal, Murphy, McGee especially good.
McGuinness press conference just started, journalists tweeting saying he insisted that Declan Bogue (This is Our Year) leave the room before he began. Said he published "untruths".
Doing the old Fergie style control-freakery.
Gospel according to mcguiness now ::)
Hard luck to Mayo and a heartily congratulations to Donegal............................ poor game though, over in the first 10 minutes
Fair play to Donegal. No doubt that they have been the best team in 2012. Donegal will be some Craic tomorrow night. Enjoy it. :)
Quote from: Hardy on September 23, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 23, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
Delighted for Donegal, Murphy, McGee especially good.
McGuinness press conference just started, journalists tweeting saying he insisted that Declan Bogue (This is Our Year) leave the room before he began. Said he published "untruths".
That's a bit much, now. How is the press conference his to control? A bit of generosity of spirit in victory goes a long way.
Yeah he didn't manage a chat with RTE after the game either, still great job from him this last few years.
Wasn't as good as the semi finals but a enjoyable final all the same. Hard luck to our neighbours & congrats to Donegal on well deserved win as said already Mayo had to climb a mountain after the poor start & to be fair Mayo kept fighting until the end without ever looking like winning, Mayo could have done with Andy Moran's leadership today but maybe even that wouldn't have been enough to defeat this fine Donegal side.
edge of the seat stuff. after a great start donegal ran up a blind alley and made hard work out of what should have been an easy win. i'll watch it again but i'm fairly sure big aidan should have been red carded after the whistle for a strike on a donegal defender he'd have been sent off anyway for a second yellow had play continued. i fully expect armagh to get donegal in the 1st round of ulster next year...
Well done Donegal. Best team around this year and had this won after 10 mins in effect despite a brave struggle by our lovely neighbours.
Good to see it was a Mayo team with no West Ros people on it.
At least the Ballagh patriots can have their town back now.
I thought Deegan was very easy on Mayo at times.
Congratulations Donegal. Enjoy the parties. I was worried at half time but I should have known....
Edge of the seat? Mayo barely got within a sniff. Twice in the second half when they'd pulled it back to three they abandoned what had put them in contention in the first place and just hoofed her from midfield when they'd 2-3 runners waiting for the pass. Getting within 3 created a couple of hotheads.
Congratd Donegal best team on the day and best team in the Country
Without a doubt , the better team won.
I've a strong feeling that Donegal will be a force for some years to come.
I've no problem with being beaten to a better side and we certainly were today.
Tiocfaidh ár lá! :D
Donegal deserved winners today. Feel sorry for Mayo, nothing between the teams other than Mayo making a terrible start and once donegal get ahead by a few points its really difficult to reel them in
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 23, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
I've a strong feeling that Donegal will be a force for some years to come.
They'll find it difficult to keep up their legendary intense training etc now that they have an AI under their belts.
Hard Luck Mayo. It is still a work in progress. Started in Pearse Park and went forward every season. Hopefully they will learn from this and go all the way next year .
Well done Donegal.
What an achievement coming back from the wreckage of Crossmaglen only 3 years ago.
Hats off to Mayo for the sporting attitude after their defeat in the final today. It surely must have been difficult; as a Monaghan man I can only imagine the hurt they must feel.
Donegal, a side we would have been confident about beating a couple of years ago, have obviously developed immensely and were just too strong and got off to a blistering start.
Deserved champions, well done...when the players stop listening to Jimmy, maybe he'd like to come down our way.
Quote from: orangeman on September 23, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
Well done Donegal.
What an achievement coming back from the wreckage of Crossmaglen only 3 years ago.
Two years ago!
I think there is an AI in this Mayo team. Horan was very astute tactically but for putting the no. 2 on Murphy.(He was very good off Murphy). They negated Donegals counters on a lot of occasions and it's rare you would see Donegal make so many unforced errors. Vaughan was excellent at #6 (should have been sent off incidentally as should have been booked for high tackle but McGee at #5 for Donegal should also have walked). Also no. 5 very good for Mayo and Moran is coming good too.
Donegal are a formidable outfit though and just a bit much on the day. Their strength in the tackle, all round, was probably too much for Mayo. They also have the finishers when it counts in McFadden and Murphy and McGlynn and Thompson's attacks are very hard to match. I thought Kavanagh was great today in midfield and McHugh as usual pretty good too.
I don't see Donegal dominating but maybe there's another year or two in them. I don't think there'll be the hunger to put the time and effort they've been putting in for too much more time.
I thought Spillane's comment was fairly accurate at the start in that it's probably just a bit too early for that Mayo team. A year or two more and I think they'll be there.
Hi lads, I've put together tactical analysis of the final here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6244
No2 on Murphy??? Murphy had his best game of the year.anyone know where I can get sunday game in england, any streams?
Very enjoyable day, great atmosphere, not a brilliant match, but credit to Donegal and Mayo. The booing of free takers could be done without mind you.
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
Quote from: emmetryan on September 23, 2012, 08:22:14 PM
Hi lads, I've put together tactical analysis of the final here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6244
Fair dues Emmet, I've now forgiven you for your spot on analysis of our 2012 inepititude! ;)
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
what did bogue do on him
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 23, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: emmetryan on September 23, 2012, 08:22:14 PM
Hi lads, I've put together tactical analysis of the final here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6244
Fair dues Emmet, I've now forgiven you for your spot on analysis of our 2012 inepititude! ;)
Cheers!
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
No2 on Murphy??? Murphy had his best game of the year.anyone know where I can get sunday game in england, any streams?
I meant that was Horan's only mistake tactically. Murphy far too physically powerful for the number 2(not sure of name) and shouldn't have been on him. The number 2 did very well on McFadden though.
I might be in the Donegal Town/Ardara/Glenties area on Tuesday night.
Any suggestions on the best football pubs in that area.
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Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
No2 on Murphy??? Murphy had his best game of the year.anyone know where I can get sunday game in england, any streams?
I meant that was Horan's only mistake tactically. Murphy far too physically powerful for the number 2(not sure of name) and shouldn't have been on him. The number 2 did very well on McFadden though.
Kevin Keane, brother.
The reality is that match-up is what separated the two teams. Outside of that 2-1 patch there was just about nothing between the sides for the rest of the game. Mayo allowed Donegal reach the cushion they needed to play their preferred defensive formation and chasing a big Donegal lead is one of the loneliest furrows you can dig in gaelic football.
Despite all the plaudits winging their way to Letterkenny tonight this was a nervous Donegal team (how couldn't they be?) that committed many mental lapses and gifted Mayo plenty of soft frees. It was far from clear cut and with more vision Mayo could well have unlocked the Donegal defence for at least a goal and that would have resulted in a very different finish.
Donegal were deserving winners but the whole Broly party-line about Donegal being a machine and 'never panicking' was laid bare for what it was today.
Donegal are now presented with the same task Dublin had this year; you've finally made it to the top of the hill, do you have the appetite to stay there?
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
No2 on Murphy??? Murphy had his best game of the year.anyone know where I can get sunday game in england, any streams?
It will be on the rte player but maybe not until tomorrow
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
gifted Mayo plenty of soft frees.
Deegan had Mayowestros freeitis in his arms throughout most of the game.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
gifted Mayo plenty of soft frees.
Deegan had Mayowestros freeitis in his arms throughout most of the game.
He was spewing out yellow cards at Mayo for half the match. A few dodgy frees no doubt but that worked both ways. Donegal were far more indisciplined than they were advertised to be.
Mayo didn't look capable of unlocking the Donegal defence for a goal.
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
gifted Mayo plenty of soft frees.
Deegan had Mayowestros freeitis in his arms throughout most of the game.
He was spewing out yellow cards at Mayo for half the match. A few dodgy frees no doubt but that worked both ways. Donegal were far more indisciplined than they were advertised to be.
How many times did mayo get their frees moved forward? Mayo were up to the same as Donegal at frees and he was hugely inconsistent here.
For donegal's second goal it should have been a free in to mayo prior to it though. I thought the ref favoured mayo for a few decisions but overall didn't have a big bearing on the game.
Hard to say if Keane on murphy did dictate the match. I think it would have taken a very different course but for that goal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2012, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:23:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
gifted Mayo plenty of soft frees.
Deegan had Mayowestros freeitis in his arms throughout most of the game.
He was spewing out yellow cards at Mayo for half the match. A few dodgy frees no doubt but that worked both ways. Donegal were far more indisciplined than they were advertised to be.
How many times did mayo get their frees moved forward? Mayo were up to the same as Donegal at frees and he was hugely inconsistent here.
For donegal's second goal it should have been a free in to mayo prior to it though. I thought the ref favoured mayo for a few decisions but overall didn't have a big bearing on the game.
Hard to say if Keane on murphy did dictate the match. I think it would have taken a very different course but for that goal.
Moist of the time all that served to do was let the yellow jerseys flood back.
And that last line is a masterpiece of double-talk..! Whether you think it
may have been different had they not scored doesn't change that it dicated the course of the game. It allowed Donegal to impose their system without much concern for chasing points.
A previous poster said the match up betwen murohy and keane at the start was the difference in the game. I don't think so as the game would have been very different without that goal and Donegal would have been more offensive.
Basically that one call by Horan didn't lose mayo the game is what I was saying.
Just in the door.........well done Donegal.............too raw to comment further.........bitter disappointment............
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
Any opinions on MOTM, personally I would give it to Neil mc Gee in full back, thought he was immense
Murphy will get it.........nailed on
Congratulations to Donegal and hard luck to our boys. Awful hard to take when this was a game that was there for us, if we got it right on the day.
The loss of Andy Moran was too much for us to take and while we got ample ball into the forwards, much of it was spilled and this is where Andy would have been vital. The loss of Mortimer for other reasons meant that we missed some crucial scoreable frees from the right hand side. Mayo need to have a look at Evan Regan, Aiden Kilcoyne and the full forward line in general for next year. The potential is there and with a bit more fine tuning we might well get over the winning line. I still see McLoughlin as our Full Forward for the future. Possibly the only Mayo forward with all of the attributes to make a superb Full Forward.
With a fitter Aiden O'Shea and Barry Moran next year, we should be there or there abouts........and let's get Keith Higgins up the bloody field!!!!!!!!!! Here's hoping.
That went pretty much to plan I guess. Donegal won without playing too well but Mayo tackled like dogs and never stopped.
Donegals forwards are better and that was key I think. Also Lacey didn't give Dillon a kick and imposed himself on the game and that stopped Mayo to a certain degree.
Well done Donegal! I'm looking forward to seeing how you go about bringing Sammy back again!
Quote from: screenexile on September 23, 2012, 10:27:57 PM
That went pretty much to plan I guess. Donegal won without playing too well but Mayo tackled like dogs and never stopped.
Donegals forwards are better and that was key I think. Also Lacey didn't give Dillon a kick and imposed himself on the game and that stopped Mayo to a certain degree.
Well done Donegal! I'm looking forward to seeing how you go about bringing Sammy back again!
you remember what happened the last year they tried to retain it ! Keep tomorrow night year free, i will see you in Maghera !
Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
I enjoyed seeing that clip of wee Martin at the final whistle.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 23, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
That's the thing. It was quite mundane. Cross Jimmy and you're going down and anyone belonging to you.
Am I the only one who is getting fed up to listening about Jimmy The Messiah. Fair play to him on bringing Donegal to the title but let's face it, they were no fitter than Mayo, he had some class players to work with..........Durkan, McGlynn, Lacey, McFadden, Gallagher, Murphy etc. Even I might have managed these boys to an All Ireland :D :D :D :D
For those that are wondering Murphy got the Sunday game man of the match and Lacey got player of the year.
QuoteAm I the only one who is getting fed up to listening about Jimmy The Messiah. Fair play to him on bringing Donegal to the title but let's face it, they were no fitter than Mayo, he had some class players to work with..........Durkan, McGlynn, Lacey, McFadden, Gallagher, Murphy etc. Even I might have managed these boys to an All Ireland
Bollix. You only have to read the thread on the 2010 Armagh Donegal game
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16513.165
I took out a few quotes
"Donegal are balls."
"Donegal are woeful. I don't think I can remember there being such a small Donegal support at a championship game."
"Fine win there but Donegal are basically a disgrace, no balls whatsoever. "
"I suppose any praise has to be tempered with the Donegal showing in mind. They looked gutless and had little fight after the two early goals. Felt very sorry for the Donegal people that gave up their Saturday to watch such in insipid display. It'll be a long spin home."
"very disappointed with that display apart from 2 or 3 players the team didnt seem up for the challenge at all major changes needed and jj has to step down very poor manager"
"Donegal were horrible."
From an Armagh perspective, our MOTM was Nippy Swift. In what way was he developed since then as the Donegal players were?
It would be great to think that Hyde Park plays a similar role for Armagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 23, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
QuoteAm I the only one who is getting fed up to listening about Jimmy The Messiah. Fair play to him on bringing Donegal to the title but let's face it, they were no fitter than Mayo, he had some class players to work with..........Durkan, McGlynn, Lacey, McFadden, Gallagher, Murphy etc. Even I might have managed these boys to an All Ireland
Bollix. You only have to read the thread on the 2010 Armagh Donegal game
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16513.165
I took out a few quotes
"Donegal are balls."
"Donegal are woeful. I don't think I can remember there being such a small Donegal support at a championship game."
"Fine win there but Donegal are basically a disgrace, no balls whatsoever. "
"I suppose any praise has to be tempered with the Donegal showing in mind. They looked gutless and had little fight after the two early goals. Felt very sorry for the Donegal people that gave up their Saturday to watch such in insipid display. It'll be a long spin home."
"very disappointed with that display apart from 2 or 3 players the team didnt seem up for the challenge at all major changes needed and jj has to step down very poor manager"
"Donegal were horrible."
From an Armagh perspective, our MOTM was Nippy Swift. In what way was he developed since then as the Donegal players were?
It would be great to think that Hyde Park plays a similar role for Armagh.
My comment was somewhat in jest Armaghniac. I know he has done a fantastic job and has brought out the best in the players at his disposal, but as they say, "you can only dance with the girls in the hall". What Mayo could do with a McFadden and Murphy or Donaghy and Gooch etc. Players at the end of the day win matches.
Well done Donegal. Just shows what can be done with a bit of a plan, a strong Manager and belief.
Well what of Mayo? Ah there will be the usual Croker Choker stuff. And to a degree, this is correct for the nightmare start. T. Andy was a big loss today and Aidan Osea and Barry Moran are still not fit or strong enough for 70 minutes. Feeney should have came on earlier, as should Seamus Osea. Because of a Kind draw we probably got a stage too far this year. This was no hammering so the effects should not be of the 04 or 06 magnitude.
Sure supporters are disappointed, but sure they would not be supporters if they were not disappointed at losing a final. So the dream continues. Have to say not sure if its the recession or plain sick of losing, there were allot of die hard (Mayo) supporters that i'd know who gave this Final a miss this year. The cost is mental if you go into multiples. Donegal were more than well represented, i suppose this being a first final in 20 years and the team being over whelming favourites, meant there was going to be greater interest.
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 23, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 23, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 23, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 23, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
That's the thing. It was quite mundane. Cross Jimmy and you're going down and anyone belonging to you.
Correct Shane.
In any other job the manager would have gone for his treatment of Cassidy.
Cassidy only said what everyone else knew.
Back home after the game and very disappointed in the poor effort by Mayo. They were so nervous and mentally ill prepared that all of their ball handling skills were very poor. When they came to terms with their nerves thay could hold their own. Management of Mayo may have come some way but has a long way to go to prepare a team for a final particularly a Mayo team with such a weight of expectation on such occasions.
BTW Donegal supporters were pathetic with their booing and jeering of the Mayo freetakers.
Main danger for other teams is that Donegal build an aurora of being unbeatable, they are still a team playing one or two up front and everyone in defence. A better referee would have given Donegal a bit of bother with many more yellow cards.
Anyone notice that Lacey was a lot quieter when he shipped a heavy tackle shoulder to shoulder but no ball present. Too many have stood off him all year and last year and made him look better than he is.
So much of the sport is confidence. Most of the dedicated inter-county players can kick trick shots and field balls for fun in training when the glare is off them. Sometimes you do see players standing off 'stars' and letting them run at them with abandon.
Make no mistake, though, Lacey is still probably the best true half-back in the game right now, Emmet Bolton is the only one could realistically be ranked above him.
We could pussy-foot around Mayo's performance and say 'well they left no stone unturned' etc but that start was unforgivable for a county with so many final defeats in the last 23 years.
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2012, 12:24:11 AM
We could pussy-foot around Mayo's performance and say 'well they left no stone unturned' etc but that start was unforgivable for a county with so many final defeats in the last 23 years.
It was as simple as matching up Higgins with Murphy to have stopped Donegal from doing what they did. Higgins is perhaps the best man-marker in the game right now, he is a seriously under-rated player and deserves an All-Star for his efforts this year. Keane did well on McFadden for most of the game too which makes Horan's decision all the more bizarre. We were talking here about it before the game and we were sure Cafferkey or Higgins would be on Murphy and not Keane, who didn't seem a good match-up with Murphy's sheer power and size, nevermind being the greenest of the back line. Any mistakes on Murphy likely meant goals and so it was perhaps the most essential match-up for Mayo.
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Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
That's the thing. It was quite mundane. Cross Jimmy and you're going down and anyone belonging to you.
Correct Shane.
In any other job the manager would have gone for his treatment of Cassidy.
Cassidy only said what everyone else knew.
Back home after the game and very disappointed in the poor effort by Mayo. They were so nervous and mentally ill prepared that all of their ball handling skills were very poor. When they came to terms with their nerves thay could hold their own. Management of Mayo may have come some way but has a long way to go to prepare a team for a final particularly a Mayo team with such a weight of expectation on such occasions.
BTW Donegal supporters were pathetic with their booing and jeering of the Mayo freetakers.
Main danger for other teams is that Donegal build an aurora of being unbeatable, they are still a team playing one or two up front and everyone in defence. A better referee would have given Donegal a bit of bother with many more yellow cards.
Anyone notice that Lacey was a lot quieter when he shipped a heavy tackle shoulder to shoulder but no ball present. Too many have stood off him all year and last year and made him look better than he is.
Lacey was hit late, with a shoulder to the chest, after he released the ball. It happened early in the game and the Mayo player was correctly booked.
He'd a good game, but like the rest of the team, he gave a couple of bad balls away in the face of the ferocious Mayo defending ( and I mean "ferocious" in the sense of the effort they put in).
Congrats Donegal. If it was anyone else ye were playing I'd be delighted ye won. I'll post up some postmatch thoughts tomorrow.
Still buzzing after that, but f**k that was a hard match to enjoy. We never really looked in danger, but we never looked comfortable either. Toughest match of the year by far for Donegal, which I mean with no disrespect to Tyrone. Mayo's effort and defending was amazing, and a few of the points they got were top drawer (although it was pleasing from our point of view that they had to kick those kinds of scores). If we hadn't had the blistering start, who knows how it would have gone, but champions have players like Murphy and McFadden to deliver for them when it matters. That was a seriously impressive second quarter from Mayo, again, today, although I felt that we would improve in the second half once McGuinness went to work at half time, and we in fact did. Wasn't a great performance from us, and we got a bit ragged in the second quarter in the face of the Mayo tackling and closing down, but the players definitely lifted it and I think we were deserving winners. Usual suspects all played well, even if the odd pass went astray, but Murphy was head and shoulders the best player out there today.
Very hard luck to Mayo, although I would think their performance from the 15 minute mark onward would be some consolation to them and their support. Nothing is ever certain, but you would have to fancy Mayo to challenge over the next couple of years though, at least if, like ourselves, they can maintain the near-professional levels of fitness and application.
Congratulations to Donegal on a very professional display that was too much for us in the end. In some ways, this is a harder loss than any of our previous defeats. Another awful start is nothing new to us and although we did claw our way back into this game, you never really felt we were going to win.
We lost Andy Moran after we had put three goals past Down where he had set up two of them. We never had the umpires reaching for a green flag since. I don't know if his presence would have made any material difference yesterday but he would surely have helped our cause.
I am not as confident as some others (including neutrals) that Mayo will be back again after this defeat. Losing finals has become ingrained, and I feel that yesterday may be worse than most. We were not too far off the required standard but couldn't get over the line against a team without any final experience. The mental damage may be worse than not being able to live with Kerry in their pomp.
Congrats to Donegal. Well deserving winners. Mayo really never recovered from the early goals but really tried hard to get back into it. Thought it was a very cynical game myself , lots of pulling ,dragging etc but even allowing for that an enjoyable spectacle.
I would agree Chimley.
McStay was talking about Mayo being a year behind Donegal in their development, not sure this is true, time will tell.
Donegal have two top class forwards to Mayo's none which elevates them a level above Mayo.
Would it be unfair to compare Mayo 2012 to Down 2010?
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Is Christy Toye not a cut above Bradley or McLoone? Thought he looked a big game player yesterday, which I have never felt about McLoone, or Bradley, who looks a full forward butchered into a half forward role
What does Jimmy McG do for a living ? Just curious, have not seen it mentioned anywhere
Dublin 2011/Donegal 2012 have a lot of similarities . Two top class forwards ( the Brogans, Murphy/McFadden), other four forwards acting as worker bees helping backs and midfield, a good system which every player knows and a phenomenal level of fitness.
By the same logic, a county like Derry ( the Bradleys), Longford ( Bardens & another guy who plays with Kilmacud whose name escapes me right now, Kavanagh ?) or Roscommon ( Donie Shine & Senan Kilbride) could apply the Donegal/Dublin 12-0-2 + well practiced system + maniacal training to achieve success.
You can do all the analysis you like on yesterday's game but it boiled down to:
Top Class Forwards Donegal 2 Top Class Forwards Mayo 0
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2012, 12:24:11 AM
We could pussy-foot around Mayo's performance and say 'well they left no stone unturned' etc but that start was unforgivable for a county with so many final defeats in the last 23 years.
Even more so when you consider that Murphy had terrorised our defence in the league match earlier in the year and we didn't seem to have a plan in place to cope with the tactic of lumping ball into him.
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Congrats to Donegal. Well deserving winners. Mayo really never recovered from the early goals but really tried hard to get back into it. Thought it was a very cynical game myself , lots of pulling ,dragging etc but even allowing for that an enjoyable spectacle.
I kind of switched off mentally after the second goal, as I found it difficult to anticipate Mayo bridging a seven-point gap (or Donegal allowing them to). I thought it was poor enough fare myself - was looking forward to seeing how Donegal would manage a close game; they haven't really had one this year.
Where to start after another final defeat? Well, first off, as I already said congrats to Donegal. They are worthy winners. However, I am putting my Green and Red tinted glasses on now so please don't be too harsh on me.
I also have to agree that the Mayo warm-up did seem kind of laxidasical in comparison to Donegal's. However, I watched Donegal doing the very same warm-up routine against Cork and they seemed to benefit from it that day as well. Even when they were waiting for the anthems and all that stuff they kept running into a ceentre of a circle whereas our lads just simply stood up and waited around.
Then the match got underway. Now fair play to James Horan in getting the buzz back again, but why on Earth he changed which is arguably our most consistent line on the field of play in the prematch matchups is beyond me. Why the hell didn't Cafferkey start on Murphy? Why not leave Kevin Keane on Mc Fadden? And leave things alone back there? I have to say what was more a kind of a shock became more shocking as the game started. First high ball into Murphy, he wins it turns and bang a rasper into the net. f**k it I thought, but there was still 68/69 mins plus injury time left and the lads were 'different' this year. (or so I thought).
As the game ticked on, Mayo had to score next to settle them. I didn't care what or how they got it after the first goal Donegal got. Instead, they kicked two terrible wides. Donegal came down and got a point. I must admit I didn't see Cillian O'Connor being fouled, but my dad was down in that corner and he couldn't believe how Mayo didn't get a free in, which could have brought it to a 3 point game and settled things down. Bang, the result was different. A shot that came back off the post somehow spilled out of one of our defender's hands and Donegal got a second goal. And it was only 11 minutes old!! To be fair you can say what you like about games but all those werre the turning points.
Mayo did come into the game outscoring Donegal 0-7 to 0-3 and they got good scores in the second quarter. I must say McFadden must have taken around two minutes taking that free which put Donegal in the ascendancy by three points at halftime. And I reckon Donegal were happy with that decision by the ref to allow McFadden to have all the time in the world and halftime came as Mayo were building up a bit of steam. I'd say they were also happy to see McFadden prickacting with the free, stealing a few yards, getting the ref's attention and taking his time to settle once again. Ach sin é.
The second half started with a flurry of bad wides from Mayo. We needed to score one or two of those shots to have any chance of making a game of it in the second half, but it was Donegal who got the first score of the half and it was a four point game straight away. No way back for Mayo I thought, unless we got a goal. I was looking towards the bench to see if there was any movement early in the second half, but no sign of anything. I'm going to have to be critical of the manager here once again, why on Earth was Richie Feeney kept on reserve until about 15 minutes to go?? Jesus Christ he was arguably Mayo's best outfield player apart from Keith Higgins and the full back line once they swapped positions and the nerves settled!!! He caught some massive abount of breaking ball during his brief stint but that was countered by the fact that the 'tactic' of playing Aiden O'Shea full forward was deployed. I'll say no more about it (despite wanting to). Seamus O'Shea must be a bit miffed with the whole experience of getting around 5 minutes playing time.
Credit to the team for the way they didn't collapse after going 7 points down. But that was the reality of the situation. We lost by 4 points and Donegal (deserving winners though they are) must be thankful after getting those early goals. I too, like J70 took heart in our defending from the 15th minute mark onwards. Donegal players soloing off down the field, running into Mayo players, sometimes getting turned over. Often times, and too often for my liking there was a man (or 3) lining up for Donegal to pop a pass to as well. We also kicked some horrific wides. Varley in particular, missed two very scorable frees.
I must say I was disappointed with McLoughlin yesterday. I thought AOS and Barry Moran had better days. I thought Keegan and Boyle played blinders. Fullback line nerves, wrecklessness whatever you want to call it early on cost us the game as well as the poor shooting. Like Chimley, I'm not so sure about talk of next year. By the sounds of the majority of Mayo fans last night they were very confident and were on about booking buses and the whole shebang. Maybe they were trying to console themselves, but All Ireland finals are hard got to. And when you do get to them, carpe diem. Mayo didn't seize the day yesterday and Donegal did.
13 scores a piece. Goals win games. Our forwards never looked like troubling Durcan in goals yesterday. Someone else alluded to the booing of the Donegal fans taking the frees. What can you do about it? I'm sure there were some Mayo fans booing as well, but if the focus is there you'll silence the boos and they'll become less frequent. Mayo had no real freetaker yesterday. O'Connor did well early on, so why was Varley taking any? I may have rambled on a bit so I'll leave it at that.
Well done Donegal. Very good first and last quarters, not so much in between. Best team in 2012, no doubt. But at the same stage (probably for the first time this summer), they looked beatable on Sunday.
Overall I thought Mayo had more players who played below par. Great opportunity lost for them. But they are a dead cert for the quarters next year, so they should be able to give it a good rattle again.
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What does Jimmy McG do for a living ? Just curious, have not seen it mentioned anywhere
Nothing.
Plus I heard that 11 of the Donegal team don't have jobs (perhaps there's a lot of students among that number)
A small thing about the pre match routines yesterday.
Donegal(according to the official match day programme) were suppose to be out first yesterday.
I think it was at 3.05.
Anyway Mayo came out first and on time( 3.07), followed nearly straight after by Donegal.
Wee bit of pre game psychology?
Also Donegal were playing with 16 players at times yesterday.
Gallagher was never off the pitch. He probably ran more than some of the players.
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Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
That's the thing. It was quite mundane. Cross Jimmy and you're going down and anyone belonging to you.
Correct Shane.
In any other job the manager would have gone for his treatment of Cassidy.
Cassidy only said what everyone else knew.
Back home after the game and very disappointed in the poor effort by Mayo. They were so nervous and mentally ill prepared that all of their ball handling skills were very poor. When they came to terms with their nerves thay could hold their own. Management of Mayo may have come some way but has a long way to go to prepare a team for a final particularly a Mayo team with such a weight of expectation on such occasions.
BTW Donegal supporters were pathetic with their booing and jeering of the Mayo freetakers.
Main danger for other teams is that Donegal build an aurora of being unbeatable, they are still a team playing one or two up front and everyone in defence. A better referee would have given Donegal a bit of bother with many more yellow cards.
Anyone notice that Lacey was a lot quieter when he shipped a heavy tackle shoulder to shoulder but no ball present. Too many have stood off him all year and last year and made him look better than he is.
No chance. Sure they'd borealis off you.
Just to follow on from Farrandeelin, this it the toughest defeat to take for me personally and i think it will be a while to come back from this one, as this was supposed to be the best prepared Mayo team ever, and for the first 20 mins, some of our players were so nervous that this weight of expectation will only grow year on year.
In my line of work, we have a system called "lessons learned", have Mayo never carried out this? to be chasing a lost cause again after 20 mins. seems to tell me the lessons of the past have not been learned. We can make all the excuses in the world, but the fact remained that after twenty minutes we were 7 points down..
Coming into this game, all i heard from people was "Cynical" Mayo, where was it yesterday for the first 10 mins. even?
I also thought that some one or two of our "senior" men hid a little yesterday, the bad start bringing up all the old ghosts again. maybe all of the above is a bit harsh, i dont know...........
We have some positives, to hear Aidan o Shea talk on that Radio one cringe fest with Brian Mc Carthy and wee Daniel after the game should be an inspiration to all Mayo people and i have no doubt that in years to come he will be mentioned in the same breath as Sean Flanagan.......... a great, brave piece of a young fellow.
Finally, well done to MWRs Angelina mc Hugh, for her post match analysis on RTE radio also, she cut the legs out from Brian regarding Mayos high -confidence coming into the game and talk of the "curse" and put some of the other "commentators" in the shade. Mighty stuff.
Great credit must go to James Horan and his team for bringing us to this level in 2 years, but the weight of history weighs heavy on our shoulders.
The clouds are low and grey today in Mayo, roll on the FBD in Jan.
Ar Aghaidh linn!
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Donegal were well worth their win for being more economical with their chances. Goes without saying that a crazy opening to the game killed it for Mayo, but they looked the better footballing team for long spells after that. Donegal's famed third quarter never materialised, and it was actually the last 10 minutes that won the game for them in the end. If Mayo had have had Andy Moran on the field there really could have been an upset - a team can't find an all-Ireland without their star player.
McGuinness' tactics, commitment and inspiration throughout the season were absolutely fantastic, but his stunt at the end was outrageous there. Every journalist in the room should have followed Declan Bogue out.
What happened mucker??
Kicked Declan Bogue out of the post-match presser. Awful behaviour.
is it but? mcguinness is adamant bogue made stuff up to sell copy. as manager he has a responsibility to protect his players. journalists have a responsibility also, cant have it both ways. take your oil
He didn't though. And why kick Cassidy out?
Cassidy must be feeling sore today. His crime was breaking Jim's omerta. None of the details were particularly groundbreaking or insightful.
That's the thing. It was quite mundane. Cross Jimmy and you're going down and anyone belonging to you.
Correct Shane.
In any other job the manager would have gone for his treatment of Cassidy.
Cassidy only said what everyone else knew.
Back home after the game and very disappointed in the poor effort by Mayo. They were so nervous and mentally ill prepared that all of their ball handling skills were very poor. When they came to terms with their nerves thay could hold their own. Management of Mayo may have come some way but has a long way to go to prepare a team for a final particularly a Mayo team with such a weight of expectation on such occasions.
BTW Donegal supporters were pathetic with their booing and jeering of the Mayo freetakers.
Main danger for other teams is that Donegal build an aurora of being unbeatable, they are still a team playing one or two up front and everyone in defence. A better referee would have given Donegal a bit of bother with many more yellow cards.
Anyone notice that Lacey was a lot quieter when he shipped a heavy tackle shoulder to shoulder but no ball present. Too many have stood off him all year and last year and made him look better than he is.
oki doki..tell us, how would you mentally prepare a team for (all bar 3 I think) their 1st AIF?
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Well done Donegal. Very good first and last quarters, not so much in between. Best team in 2012, no doubt. But at the same stage (probably for the first time this summer), they looked beatable on Sunday.
Overall I thought Mayo had more players who played below par. Great opportunity lost for them. But they are a dead cert for the quarters next year, so they should be able to give it a good rattle again.
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What does Jimmy McG do for a living ? Just curious, have not seen it mentioned anywhere
Nothing.
Plus I heard that 11 of the Donegal team don't have jobs (perhaps there's a lot of students among that number)
Does Jim not own some sort of consultancy business in Letterkenny?
I would say he's fairly successful. He has some sort of consultancy business.
McGuinness has all the attributes of someone who'd be very successful in anything he does I suspect. The organisation,drive etc etc to get Donegal from where they were to where they are now is quite remarkable. Without him Donegal would have been nowhere near. With Kernan / Harte their teams were on the verge and needed that push pver the line - these guys in Donegal weren't even close.
Donegal deserved the win on yesterdays form and throughout the year they cave been impressive. Murphys opening goal was superb. Maybe Cafferky should have been marking him but after that Keane seemed to do ok on him. I also thought it waa a free to O' Connor at the other end and certainly not a free out I think that the ref gave? Anyway it was a poor decision that caused a four point turnaround in the game and there proved to be no way back for Mayo.
Mayo were in fact the better team for the rest of the game and if O Shea hadn't slipped before kicking the ball for that late goal chance we could be looking at a replay.
O Shea and O'Connor are 20 & 21 and can play better than they showed yesterday. There is at least half a dozen more years at the top for them. Their minors have been pretty good for the last few years without winning an all Ireland of course. Mayos minors should have been in the all Ireland this year too giving the Dubs a much better challenge than that mediocre Meath outfit.
Of course they also have players like Moran and Mortimer that could return. Horan seems to be the man to get them to take the final step in the next year or two but knowing Mayo they will probably find a way to mess it up.
Kerry and Tyrone seem to be gone and the main contenders in the next 3 or 4 years seem to be Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo.
It was alluded to on the Sunday Game last night. Murphy has tended to play out the field all year with only brief journeys up to Full Forward.
Horan obviously put Keane on Murphy to do a job on him out the field as he was clearly no match for him under a high ball.
What Mayo should have done was let Cafferkey mark Murphy when he came into the danger zone. Alas the damage was done before this was sorted. It's a pretty minor lapse in concentration from the management and 8 times out of 10 it would have been rectified before a goal came off it but these things tend to get magnified in an AIF.
I think Mayo heads are very down on themselves. This was not like previous defeats. After 11 minutes I thought it was going to be but they fought back impressively and although Donegal had them at arms length I think with a few lads back like Moran etc. Mayo will be a tough nut to crack over the next few years. They're virtually guaranteed an All Ireland Quarter Final place next year and anything can happen from then.
great occasion. Donegal the best team this year. Mayo can be proud of their young squad this season.
Thought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
Think there needs to be two refs on a pitch. Hard to spot the off the ball stuff or some of the actual fouls/incidents up close and the pace of the game means a single ref cannot keep up with this.
Think that it will be interesting to see if Donegal can maintain the hunger and drive to win a second in a row. Dublin, Cork will be there or thereabouts again next year with Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo and maybe a couple of others potentially capable of at least making the final.
Def think that McGuinness caught Horan out by keeping Murphy on the square from the start.
It gave Donegal the cushion that made the game comfortable enough. They never got going which Mayo can take a lot of credit for. Mayo are young, but there is no guarantee they can get back to the same stage next year given the other teams that will be back in the mix.
While delighted for Donegal, I feel sympathy for my many Mayo friends and football pals from down the years. Its another tough blow to take - but thats football!
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Mayo .... They're virtually guaranteed an All Ireland Quarter Final next year.
That's fightin talk me boy.
If there's a drop of red blood left in Ros , Galway or Sligo it needs to be shed ( metaphoricall of course) to prevent that happening. :-* :-*
Overall Donegal were the best team in the championship and yesterday was no different but they didn't reach the heights that they did in earlier games. They didn't have to. The start they got was immense and it was clear that they targetted this and had goals on their mind. I don't think Mayo were caught cold, rather they got caught out by Donegals tactics.
Once Mayo settled they played some very good football, particularly when they didn't have the ball, if that makes sense. Rarely have donegal turned over so much ball.
Second half it was clear that Donegal retreated back and the instruction was clear - no goals. Some suggesting that the famed Donegal 3rd quarter blitz/attack never materialised but I don't think they even considered it.
Mayo played into their hands and tried to launch high balls into FF line for last ten, never looked like remotely troubling Donegal. They never really looked at the late Mayo goal chance last night, a cuter forward in possession at that stage, could have bought himself a penalty with the trailing legs of the diving donegal challenge, to avoid them he actually was off balance for the chance and had a forest of bodies to beat. Fair play to his honesty, a goal at that stage would have left a point in it with a few minutes remaining. Despite been marginally in the Donegal corner, I was urging it to go in.
Finally, I think the days of the pitch invasion should be consigned to history. Was great yesterday watching the Donegal players enjoy themselves and soak up the atmosphere. Great shots of Jimmys kids playing ball and players able to pick out family in the crowd, particularly the McHughs. I stayed for the lot of it and it was great I thought and the crowd seemed to enjoy it as much. If their had off been a pitch invasion, after Murphy read out his novel, it would have been largely all over.
Yes - the whole presentation and celebration occasion was great yesterday. How anyone could think it would have been enhanced by a stampede of yahooing fans hijacking the players' celebration is beyond me.
Just one thing - can we have done with the captain's speech nonsense? It's not fair to expect our footballers to be orators. Windbag speeches these days are generally limited to political rallies and the like, but for this exception. It's a throwback to a time when speechmaking was central to any public celebration. Does anybody actually enjoy the captain's speech? We do celebrating better nowadays. The boring, interminable, Barry McGuigan-scale thanking marathon, followed by the cringe-inducing hip-hipping and the predictable sequence - "but there's one man ... " and then, "but most of all, youse, the supporters ..." just sucks the atmosphere out of a spontaneous, joyous occasion. We've got rid of sitting on the Hill-16 wall and the stand roof, bishop-kissing, pitch invasions, spilling over onto the sideline in the last five minutes and the scoreboard that was actually made of numbered boards. And all for the better. Why does this particular anachronism persist?
Agh ffs. Could we not just get rid of Meath instead.
You've tried often enough and failed spectacularly on every occasion.
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Agh ffs. Could we not just get rid of Meath instead.
Banty was the Manchurian Candidate but the mission is crocked now. Back to the drawing board.
:D
Banty's not gone a wet week and already we're in Croke Park on AIF day.
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Banty's not gone a wet week and already we're in Croke Park on AIF day.
To be pasted by the Dubs, as God intended it.
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Yes - the whole presentation and celebration occasion was great yesterday. How anyone could think it would have been enhanced by a stampede of yahooing fans hijacking the players' celebration is beyond me.
Just one thing - can we have done with the captain's speech nonsense? It's not fair to expect our footballers to be orators. Windbag speeches these days are generally limited to political rallies and the like, but for this exception. It's a throwback to a time when speechmaking was central to any public celebration. Does anybody actually enjoy the captain's speech? We do celebrating better nowadays. The boring, interminable, Barry McGuigan-scale thanking marathon, followed by the cringe-inducing hip-hipping and the predictable sequence - "but there's one man ... " and then, "but most of all, youse, the supporters ..." just sucks the atmosphere out of a spontaneous, joyous occasion. We've got rid of sitting on the Hill-16 wall and the stand roof, bishop-kissing, pitch invasions, spilling over onto the sideline in the last five minutes and the scoreboard that was actually made of numbered boards. And all for the better. Why does this particular anachronism persist?
Was thinking the same thing myself yesterday Hardy.
By thanking everyone but the milkman all you do is create a chance for the milkman to get annoyed at you.
Murphy went as far as to thank caterers who get paid for delivering a service.
A couple of hooplas and on with the cup waving methinks.
I was undecided about the whole pitch invasion argument until yesterday. However, my mind was made up yesterday after seeing Martin and Mark McHughs embrace after the final whistle. That put everything into perspective in that the players missed that moment where all the hard work, sacrifices, blood, sweat and tears are rewarded by sharing the best moment of their careers with those closest to them and not some random stranger who may have been cursing them up and down for missing that handy free whilst watching from the comfort of their living room.
The day of the pitch invasion is over. Arguing for it is like arguing for eating with your hands instead of a knife and fork. The field belongs to the players, not the fans. Good luck to them.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
The day of the pitch invasion is over. Arguing for it is like arguing for eating with your hands instead of a knife and fork. The field belongs to the players, not the fans. Good luck to them.
The only thing missing from yesterday was the sight of a Down man attempting to get onto the pitch but being tossed back into the crowd.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
The day of the pitch invasion is over. Arguing for it is like arguing for eating with your hands instead of a knife and fork. The field belongs to the players, not the fans. Good luck to them.
Nonsensical simile.
basking in that warm glow today. the whole weekend has been kinda surreal. still taking it in half pished on the cure that's turning into a bit of a sesh.
thought mayo were a credit to their county and they'll have better days.
Anyone got a pic of the McHughs at the final whistle?
great picture
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Quote from: Orior on September 24, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
The day of the pitch invasion is over. Arguing for it is like arguing for eating with your hands instead of a knife and fork. The field belongs to the players, not the fans. Good luck to them.
the pitch that was built by Fans
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 24, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
great picture
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a great moment for the McHughs. And the greatest forehead since yer boy out of Ant and Dec lurking in the background
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
Could be here all night but I'll try to keep this short. Devastated, congrats to Donegal.
All Irelands and there to be won and yesterday was huge opportunity missed.Finals are dam hard to get to. You can't afford to give a team a start like that, FFS. Did we not learn anything from previous finals, not good enough. Line was slow with the substitutions in the 2nd half.
Another year to deal with the hard luck pat on the backs, another year to grind the teeth listening to the standard shite Mayo football stereotypes from people who don't have a clue.
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
As a neutral I felt Mayo were doing fairly well out of the referee throughout the match however I missed the free out leading to he goal and that point may be well made.
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Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 24, 2012, 03:42:15 PM
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I've had to choke back a tear looking at that image. Beautiful, just beautiful
Quote from: J OGorman on September 24, 2012, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 24, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
great picture
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a great moment for the McHughs. And the greatest forehead since yer boy out of Ant and Dec lurking in the background
Not to mention the eyelashes of the other.
D'oh! I just did.
Great pic
I'd be scared too if Jimmy came to my cot with a sharp metal object.
Agree with Hardy et al that it's time to get rid of "TAW AWHAS URRIM" when all you do is thank every living person in the county.
Congrats Donegal - it seems like only yesterday when I travelled up to Ballybofey to see Longford play Donegal in the Qualifiers. Longford had to travel as, due to some ranking system known only to some mentalist, they were deemed the 'stronger' side.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 24, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
As a neutral I felt Mayo were doing fairly well out of the referee throughout the match however I missed the free out leading to he goal and that point may be well made.
Felt the same as you, and while the one before the goal looked a free (have not seen a slowmo replay however), he gave one down that end against one of the McGees later in the first half under a dropping ball, that didn't look a free and resulted in an easy point (again, no replay though). But no big deal. Haven't seen to many complaints from Mayo, nor should there be any from us. The ref gets one look. We all gain or suffer on a given day. Donegal have been on the receiving end of plenty. And Mayo's bigger issue should be witj the defender who let the ball slip away to McFadden.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 24, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
As a neutral I felt Mayo were doing fairly well out of the referee throughout the match however I missed the free out leading to he goal and that point may be well made.
Not being neutral but thought referee was throwing yellows out at Mayo players and not Donegal, there was comments before match of Mayo's cynical fouling in previous games whereas I felt Donegal were probably the greater culprits yesterday but did not get punished with yellow cards.
The other gripe I had was when Mayo were awarded frees on numerous occasions the ball was brought forward by Deegan he insisted on carrying the ball forward himself negating further the chance of taking a quick free. Surely systematic slowing down of free taking should be punished, bringing the ball forward 10 yards, or whatever the distance, and still outside the scoring range is of minimal advantage.
All that being said, the better team won yesterday. They had the greater scoring threat, they did better than I expected with Neil Gallagher in the middle and Lacey had Dillon in his pocket. We fought manfully till the end, turning over a lot of Donegal possession but the Donegal defense stood firm and with Dillon and McLaughlin to a lesser extent quietened we were always going to struggle creatively.
Fair play to Horan and his management team, they have brought Mayo football forward to the modern era. We are a few forwards short of being the finished article. Hard to believe it now with the defeat so raw but we are a work in progress.
Well done Donegal, great to see the excitement and that photo of McHugh with his Da is what it's all about. Hard luck Mayo, they seemed to be very nervous in the first 10 - 15 minutes, but let no one say they folded or choked. That was a determined, prideful effort, and they have as good a chance as anybody next year.
Best and most deserving team won Sam this year. Fair play Donegal.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
O Shea and O'Connor are 20 & 21 and can play better than they showed yesterday. There is at least half a dozen more years at the top for them. Their minors have been pretty good for the last few years without winning an all Ireland of course. Mayos minors should have been in the all Ireland this year too giving the Dubs a much better challenge than that mediocre Meath outfit.
Of course they also have players like Moran and Mortimer that could return. Horan seems to be the man to get them to take the final step in the next year or two but knowing Mayo they will probably find a way to mess it up.
Kerry and Tyrone seem to be gone and the main contenders in the next 3 or 4 years seem to be Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo.
Mortimer's inter county days are over Andy Moran will be 29 next year while Alan Dillon will be 30 how many years has those two key players left? if Mayo keep the same team their average age next year will be 25 young enough to challenge for at least 5 years but it's still more scoring forwards that they need the most.
The best forward of their 2006 AI winning team was Aidan Kilcoyne i'm not sure if he's available to return? having watched Mayo's underage scene closely they have some good footballers coming through good defenders,midfielders though i didn't see any stand out forwards tbh.
It's hard to know what will happen next year remember Down got to 2010 final only losing by a point many thought they would return & would be foolish to rule out Tyrone or Kerry for example Kerry won the 2008 U21 AI. Finally a lot teams are doing good work at underage level it would be to great to see a break through from one of those teams especially our own crop.
Watched game again this morning ..... I have no idea why these donegal posters are going on about the referee being soft on Mayo...
(the supporter at the game the very same ... wanted a yellow card for every foul committed by a mayo player!!!)
There were three fouls called on mayo (all pointed) which were marginal.
i) Last free before half-time was harsh.
ii) Foul called on mayo player when Murphy met with a fair shoulder and
iii) finally McFadden dived to earn his free into the 2nd half.
Not to mention deegan's worst decision In not awarding a free to O'Connor which led to Donegal 2nd Goal.
Final Note, the whistling, cat calling & booing a disgrace by a sizable portion of the Donegal crowd.
I wonder will Brolly (or anybody else) mention the time wasting and feigning injury late into the 2nd Half. Each time there was a foul, the donegal players were holding there faces even though contact was being made to their face.
Driving home yesterday I remarked to the others that this was my seventh time returning from a senior AI final without winning a single one. Same as themselves. A desolate statistic. They also agreed that none really expected to win going up and the journey was done out of a sense of hope - and lets face it, duty. Having to be there in case the great day finally arrived. The stuff on the streets before the game was great - the fans and the buzz. Felt very little emotion during the game ( the fight has been well and truly knocked out of me by events in the past) apart from despair. As usual I was expecting some kind of calamity and it wasn t long coming. Groundhog Day meets deja vu all over again! Couldn t see us win the game after the second goal. An hour is a long time to watch a team fight might and main just to save face. The way Donegal play a 7 point lead is impossible and it turned out to be the case. Like 06 I sat through an hour of a final thinking we couldn t win.
I cant see our fortunes change either if I m honest. Not just about us. Any county that ever plays us in a final will see us as a great opportunity - they will be empowered and brimful of confidence playing a team that nobody can lose to. Really we have an awful lagacy left to future teams. If Dub were the opposition yesterday I dont think Donegal would have got that start because I believe they would have appraoched the start more cautiously and settled in. But there was no fear of Mayo. There was no need because without Andy our ff line is toothless and they knew how easily they coped with likes of Varley in the past.
Horan is taking a bit of a pasting but I m not so sure. I d certainly prefer to be losing an AI than the shite we had to endure during the Johnno era - both of them!
The match-up on Murphy was the correct one I thought. Cafferkey couldn t handle him in the league and Keane did well on him underage. I don t think Caff would have done any better for the goal but management have to take the blame for allowing Murphy to be isolated one on one with his marker inside.
Meanwhile at the other end we were playing with a flat 3 man ff line. Waste of time and resources with the players we have. I ve always maintained that we wouldn t be able to afford the luxury of a 3 man ff line - especially whan they are unable to pull their weight. We needed players deeper yesterday. If Varley was selected to kick frees from the right it was shallow reasoning.
A few things have surprised me lately tbh.
When we were leaking scores against Dublin we stayed 1 on 1 with them and got no covering defender/s back. Also down the stretch v Dublin we struggled to handle O Gara and high ball. This handed McGuinness a winning template and I m sure he cant believe we fell for the Murphy trick so readily. Before the goal another ball went in where it was obvious that he had the beating of his man and there was going to be trouble. Because of the surplus forwards we had on the pitch we were not fluid enough to get a player back to double up on Murphy in time.
I m surprised we didn t use the running game more instead of kicking possession away all the time. I d have started Feeney instead of an inside forward and attacked with width. This would have got likes of Dillon into the game. We needed Higgins as an attacking force but he was confined to defending. Donegal would have loved that. Overall I think we made it too easy for them. Notice how Donegal made sure that Lacey and McBrearty( with the second McGee marking as well) were in the game as attacking forces - limiting the influence of Kevin Mac and Dillon as welll.
For some reason management got very conservative as the summer progressed. I don t think this is being wise after the event. We had this debate in June and I remember at the time saying that what we were doing would not be good enough to compensate for the lack of a decent ff line. A back 6 of Keane, Cafferkey, McHale, Boyle, Keegan and Higgins would have been much beter balanced and would have got Higgins into games.
Once Andy got injured though we were damaged goods going forward (would Donegal have won without Murphy?). There s criticism of changes not being made sooner and I can t understand the Feeney thing myself. But our options were limited. In the forwards Freeman hasn t been having much inpact and they obviously didn t trust Regan and who else is there?
Putting Aidan in ff while surrounded by defenders and other forwards alike was just sad while also understandable I suppose. For me that we were reduced to such rawness was the most disappointing part of the performance. Especially when we appeared to be on to something with our running game at the begining of the summer. Wouldn t like to be too critical of management and players however because it wasn t a ' normal' contest after that crazy start. While management could have done better for the first goal the second was one of those things and if O Con was fouled below it was a 4 point turnover.
Ah well. Life goes on.
JmcG has worked wonders with donegal. I would say it was a job no one really wanted at the time he took over. But a system wont win an All Ireland if you dont have some great players and donegal have them in abundance, Jim instills the discipline and a system to complement their abilities.
Congrats Donegal your the best in the country, go out and prove it by winning back to back All Irelands.
I only wish Down had a Jim McGuinness
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 24, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Watched game again this morning ..... I have no idea why these donegal posters are going on about the referee being soft on Mayo...
(the supporter at the game the very same ... wanted a yellow card for every foul committed by a mayo player!!!)
There were three fouls called on mayo (all pointed) which were marginal.
i) Last free before half-time was harsh.
ii) Foul called on mayo player when Murphy met with a fair shoulder and
iii) finally McFadden dived to earn his free into the 2nd half.
Not to mention deegan's worst decision In not awarding a free to O'Connor which led to Donegal 2nd Goal.
Final Note, the whistling, cat calling & booing a disgrace by a sizable portion of the Donegal crowd.
I wonder will Brolly (or anybody else) mention the time wasting and feigning injury late into the 2nd Half. Each time there was a foul, the donegal players were holding there faces even though contact was being made to their face.
Jaysus are you having a laugh!! Mayo were at exactly the same thing so neither side should be getting on their high horse about that one.
Personally I thought Deegan was pretty soft on Mayo. I was right beside the McGee O'Connor foul and it wasn't a free in. Yes possibly for Donegals goal O'Connor could possibly have gotten a foul but it was marginal and it wasn't helped by the fact he took a dive at that time! In the first half and parts of the 2nd Mayo hit anything that moved and numerous times that was the man who had just layed the ball off. Lacey got a bad one and that time for McFaddens long free there were 2 Donegal men who got nailed when the ball was gone.
Having said that Donegal have the cynicism down to a tee! It seemed that every time mayo had a free they ran in front of the free taker to slow him up, Deegan then moved it forward which seemed to negate any advantage Mayo had. He needed to card a player the 2nd time this happened and that would soon have stopped it.
Having said that the referee had little or no bearing on the outcome. Mayo will point to missed chances but Donegal missed more. they were the better team and sin é. Hopefully Mayo can come back from it.
Enjoyed yesterdays game although it was far from a classic match, for all the heart Mayo showed to pull it back to 3 points before half time the game was over when the second goal went in.
The non free for Mayo before the second goal was borderline and the forward definitely dived not once but twice looking for it, he was then lucky not to get the line for striking not one but two Donegal backs. Typical umpiring in that McGee got booked as well as the offender and was then on a tightrope for the rest of the game.
Both teams fouled when they could to disrupt the game and Deegan wasn't cute to it all. The difference in the card count was purely down to the type of fouls by the Mayo offenders, a few around the head and frontal tackles, cute but not cute enough. The ref was guilty of trying to bring Mayo back into it and when it was closer the frees where definitely more balanced but its human nature I suppose, McFaddan should have had a penalty with the goal chance but the keeper did very well.
O'Shea is an impressive footballer but the lad clearly isn't fit and the move up front was a waste. One aspect of his play that I will never warm to is his insistence to try and ref the game, nearly as bad as Kieran Donaghy.
I wouldn't be to sore on the Mayo management. Murphy was matched up to Keane to suit when he was played out the field and the plans where up the left when he started on the square, was well marked when further out the field. Higgins would have done no better for the goal IMO as he doesn't have the physical strength to mark Murphy. TBH the goal was made by the quality of the ball in.
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
in your opinion (and possibly other people's opinions) perhaps, but in my own opinion and more or less everyone else in the corporate box where we sat (with the benefit of looking at the tv screen in the box behind us for replays) the opinion was that the ref was good to mayo. a few soft frees either way, ref should have booked some more and not yellow carded a couple he did.
I thought Donegal had to endure a lot worse in order to get a free in comparison to mayo.
I'm a qualified ref by the way - but having seen a good few top refs perform porly this season inc deegan, that counts for feck all too.
I dont want to get into a slagging match and offend the poor mayo lads as they are a great footballing people, but its only my opinion - and one shared by a lot of people (a lot of neutrals included).
even though it didnt affect the match, I still think we need to improve on refs, consistency and accuracy. hawkeye and instant tv replays etc etc.
Just remembered one other funny moment yesterday during the celebrations shortly after the match ended, as the Hills of donegal was been blasted out over the PA, it was stopped and the voice came on to remind "the stweards to remain facing the crowd and not to be looking towards the field, repeat can all stewards remain facing the crowd", he stopped and the Hills of Donegal continued. Brillant I thought.
"Personally I thought Deegan was pretty soft on Mayo. I was right beside the McGee O'Connor foul and it wasn't a free in. Yes possibly for Donegals goal O'Connor could possibly have gotten a foul but it was marginal and it wasn't helped by the fact he took a dive at that time! In the first half and parts of the 2nd Mayo hit anything that moved and numerous times that was the man who had just layed the ball off. Lacey got a bad one and that time for McFaddens long free there were 2 Donegal men who got nailed when the ball was gone."
I was behind the canal goal and it was a blatant free not only once but twice ..... Marginal you're having a laugh
Why not deal with McFaddden dive in the 2nd half to earn a free .... Never a free.
The long range free taking from Donegal was brilliant (6 from 6)... probably this won the game for Donegal coupled with mayo poor return from frees (6 from 9)
Well done to Donegal.
Quote from: camanchero on September 24, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
in your opinion (and possibly other people's opinions) perhaps, but in my own opinion and more or less everyone else in the corporate box where we sat (with the benefit of looking at the tv screen in the box behind us for replays) the opinion was that the ref was good to mayo. a few soft frees either way, ref should have booked some more and not yellow carded a couple he did.
I thought Donegal had to endure a lot worse in order to get a free in comparison to mayo.
I'm a qualified ref by the way - but having seen a good few top refs perform porly this season inc deegan, that counts for feck all too.
I dont want to get into a slagging match and offend the poor mayo lads as they are a great footballing people, but its only my opinion - and one shared by a lot of people (a lot of neutrals included).
even though it didnt affect the match, I still think we need to improve on refs, consistency and accuracy. hawkeye and instant tv replays etc etc.
Were the corporate brigade all donegal supporters !!!
"....the opinion was that the ref was good to mayo."Some examples would help.
Can you comment on some of the scoreable frees that donegal were given in the 2nd half ...(since you say you are qualified) and the non awarding of a free to o'connor preceding donegal 2nd goal.
Also any comment (given that you are a referee) about donegal tactic of interfering with many mayo free takers out the field and their theatrics near the end on the game following fouls?
another cute baby sam pic....
http://www.irishtimes.com/homepage/images/1224324351719.jpg?ts=1348509371
A day later and feel pretty much the same, disappointed simply down to the fact that it's another one lost in a year that was probably the best chance we've had since 96 to win it. We needed to get things right from the word go and get little bit of luck and we got neither. My own opinions on the game don't differ a whole lot from a lot of what's been said here already but something that hasn't really been mentioned that I've been thinking about has been our first quarter in every match this year. Looking at our performances overall this year its been obvious in every game this year that we've played our best football in the 2nd and third quarters. Against Leitrim, Down, Dublin and Donegal those periods were our strong spells, some of those matches we were utterly dominant. However, when you look back at the first periods of all those games, Leitrim stayed with us for the first 20 mins, any threat Down posed was in the first quarter, Dublin got the first 2 points and rattled the crossbar in the first 10 and we all know what Donegal did yesterday in the first 15. Why was it taking those periods for us to get to the level of performance we were producing in the middle two quarters? It just looks like our performance in each match was starting off from too low a level and I'd wager McGuinness spotted it as something to exploit and land a sucker punch early in the game. Going forward there are things to look at, I think we need 2-3 more options in the forward line, unfortunately there's no sign of a marquee forward in the county that seems to be the vital piece to win an All Ireland. Think of Murphy for Donegal, Bernard Brogan for Dublin last year, Goulding for Cork year before, Gooch for Kerry, Canavan for Tyrone and so on. Mobility in midfield and as Moysider said earlier getting Higgins further up the field to have more influence on the game are the other aspects. Horan doesn't have to tear down and start again, its more a case of evolving but his challenge now is to keep the progress of the last 2 years going which could be harder than when he started.
PS Suprised that there was no comment on the whole Cillian O'Connor non free leading to Donegal's second goal was almost a carbon copy of Cork's second goal in the league final, another match Deegan reffed!!!
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 24, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Watched game again this morning ..... I have no idea why these donegal posters are going on about the referee being soft on Mayo...
(the supporter at the game the very same ... wanted a yellow card for every foul committed by a mayo player!!!)
There were three fouls called on mayo (all pointed) which were marginal.
i) Last free before half-time was harsh.
ii) Foul called on mayo player when Murphy met with a fair shoulder and
iii) finally McFadden dived to earn his free into the 2nd half.
Not to mention deegan's worst decision In not awarding a free to O'Connor which led to Donegal 2nd Goal.
Final Note, the whistling, cat calling & booing a disgrace by a sizable portion of the Donegal crowd.
I wonder will Brolly (or anybody else) mention the time wasting and feigning injury late into the 2nd Half. Each time there was a foul, the donegal players were holding there faces even though contact was being made to their face.
Cat calling, no mention this of when we were kicking frees and 45's into the hill three weeks ago,
As for your second point, do you not remember our last 5 minutes against the Dubs also.
This goes on all the time, neither of those two issues cost us the game, nothing learned from pervious finals i.e. 7 points down with in the first 20 is what bet us!!
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 24, 2012, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 24, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Watched game again this morning ..... I have no idea why these donegal posters are going on about the referee being soft on Mayo...
(the supporter at the game the very same ... wanted a yellow card for every foul committed by a mayo player!!!)
There were three fouls called on mayo (all pointed) which were marginal.
i) Last free before half-time was harsh.
ii) Foul called on mayo player when Murphy met with a fair shoulder and
iii) finally McFadden dived to earn his free into the 2nd half.
Not to mention deegan's worst decision In not awarding a free to O'Connor which led to Donegal 2nd Goal.
Final Note, the whistling, cat calling & booing a disgrace by a sizable portion of the Donegal crowd.
I wonder will Brolly (or anybody else) mention the time wasting and feigning injury late into the 2nd Half. Each time there was a foul, the donegal players were holding there faces even though contact was being made to their face.
Cat calling, why did we not mention this when we were kicking frees into the hill three months ago,
As for your second point, do you not remember our last 5 minutes agianst the Dubs also.
This goes on all the time, neither of those two issues cost us the game, nothing learned from pervious finals i.e. 7 points down with in the first 20 is what bet us!!
Ta an ceart agat but what matters now is how Mayo respond. What did Lendl say to Andy Murray about losing? There are losses you learn from.
Those players can come back again. They weren't that far off yesterday. There is nothing like all Ireland final experience. And they can build on it.
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
O Shea and O'Connor are 20 & 21 and can play better than they showed yesterday. There is at least half a dozen more years at the top for them. Their minors have been pretty good for the last few years without winning an all Ireland of course. Mayos minors should have been in the all Ireland this year too giving the Dubs a much better challenge than that mediocre Meath outfit.
Of course they also have players like Moran and Mortimer that could return. Horan seems to be the man to get them to take the final step in the next year or two but knowing Mayo they will probably find a way to mess it up.
Kerry and Tyrone seem to be gone and the main contenders in the next 3 or 4 years seem to be Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo.
Mortimer's inter county days are over Andy Moran will be 29 next year while Alan Dillon will be 30 how many years has those two key players left? if Mayo keep the same team their average age next year will be 25 young enough to challenge for at least 5 years but it's still more scoring forwards that they need the most.
The best forward of their 2006 AI winning team was Aidan Kilcoyne i'm not sure if he's available to return? having watched Mayo's underage scene closely they have some good footballers coming through good defenders,midfielders though i didn't see any stand out forwards tbh.
It's hard to know what will happen next year remember Down got to 2010 final only losing by a point many thought they would return & would be foolish to rule out Tyrone or Kerry for example Kerry won the 2008 U21 AI. Finally a lot teams are doing good work at underage level it would be to great to see a break through from one of those teams especially our own crop.
1) Dillon is 28
2) Average age is actually 23
3) We have the likes of Conor O'Shea, Evan Regan, Michael Forde, Darren Coen, Danny Kirby who are all 19,20,21 who have been training at some stage this year with with the team but have yet to feature in championship so they will have a year of training with an inter - county team under their belt.
4) We've been getting up to Croke Park quite frequently at minor level in the past few years including this year so we're not dong to bad there either.
5) Aidan Kilcoyne is in London working so it is unlikely he will be back for us.
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
O Shea and O'Connor are 20 & 21 and can play better than they showed yesterday. There is at least half a dozen more years at the top for them. Their minors have been pretty good for the last few years without winning an all Ireland of course. Mayos minors should have been in the all Ireland this year too giving the Dubs a much better challenge than that mediocre Meath outfit.
Of course they also have players like Moran and Mortimer that could return. Horan seems to be the man to get them to take the final step in the next year or two but knowing Mayo they will probably find a way to mess it up.
Kerry and Tyrone seem to be gone and the main contenders in the next 3 or 4 years seem to be Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo.
Mortimer's inter county days are over Andy Moran will be 29 next year while Alan Dillon will be 30 how many years has those two key players left? if Mayo keep the same team their average age next year will be 25 young enough to challenge for at least 5 years but it's still more scoring forwards that they need the most.
The best forward of their 2006 AI winning team was Aidan Kilcoyne i'm not sure if he's available to return? having watched Mayo's underage scene closely they have some good footballers coming through good defenders,midfielders though i didn't see any stand out forwards tbh.
It's hard to know what will happen next year remember Down got to 2010 final only losing by a point many thought they would return & would be foolish to rule out Tyrone or Kerry for example Kerry won the 2008 U21 AI. Finally a lot teams are doing good work at underage level it would be to great to see a break through from one of those teams especially our own crop.
1) Dillon is 28
2) Average age is actually 23
3) We have the likes of Conor O'Shea, Evan Regan, Michael Forde, Darren Coen, Danny Kirby who are all 19,20,21 who have been training at some stage this year with with the team but have yet to feature in championship so they will have a year of training with an inter - county team under their belt.
4) We've been getting up to Croke Park quite frequently at minor level in the past few years including this year so we're not dong to bad there either.
5) Aidan Kilcoyne is in London working so it is unlikely he will be back for us.
Andy Moran said on the radio last night that Dillon will be 30 in a few weeks. Average age is currently 24 next year believe it or not they will be older & returning Andy Moran will also up the average and did i say Mayo weren't doing well at underage level?
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2012, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on September 24, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
O Shea and O'Connor are 20 & 21 and can play better than they showed yesterday. There is at least half a dozen more years at the top for them. Their minors have been pretty good for the last few years without winning an all Ireland of course. Mayo's minors should have been in the all Ireland this year too giving the Dubs a much better challenge than that mediocre Meath outfit.
Of course they also have players like Moran and Mortimer that could return. Horan seems to be the man to get them to take the final step in the next year or two but knowing Mayo they will probably find a way to mess it up.
Kerry and Tyrone seem to be gone and the main contenders in the next 3 or 4 years seem to be Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo.
Mortimer's inter county days are over Andy Moran will be 29 next year while Alan Dillon will be 30 how many years has those two key players left? if Mayo keep the same team their average age next year will be 25 young enough to challenge for at least 5 years but it's still more scoring forwards that they need the most.
The best forward of their 2006 AI winning team was Aidan Kilcoyne i'm not sure if he's available to return? having watched Mayo's underage scene closely they have some good footballers coming through good defenders,midfielders though i didn't see any stand out forwards tbh.
It's hard to know what will happen next year remember Down got to 2010 final only losing by a point many thought they would return & would be foolish to rule out Tyrone or Kerry for example Kerry won the 2008 U21 AI. Finally a lot teams are doing good work at underage level it would be to great to see a break through from one of those teams especially our own crop.
1) Dillon is 28
2) Average age is actually 23
3) We have the likes of Conor O'Shea, Evan Regan, Michael Forde, Darren Coen, Danny Kirby who are all 19,20,21 who have been training at some stage this year with with the team but have yet to feature in championship so they will have a year of training with an inter - county team under their belt.
4) We've been getting up to Croke Park quite frequently at minor level in the past few years including this year so we're not dong to bad there either.
5) Aidan Kilcoyne is in London working so it is unlikely he will be back for us.
Andy Moran said on the radio last night that Dillon will be 30 in a few weeks. Average age is currently 24 next year believe it or not they will be older & returning Andy Moran will also up the average and did i say Mayo weren't doing well at underage level?
You could be right about Dillon I was just going by what the programme said yesterday won't be surprised if they got it wrong as they has David Clarke down as David Burke. But still just 'cause one player turns 30 doesn't it's the end of this team.
I'm nearly positive Andy said at the banquet last night the average age was 23, maybe he was on about the entire squad, I don't know.
No you didn't and did I say you did? No. You just said I don't know how Mayo are doing at underage and I told you simple as. I'm wasn't having a go just answering a question.
Congrats to Donegal. Can't argue that it wasn't deserved. They beat a host of top sides this Summer. Undoubtably the best team in the land at the moment. I wonder how long they will be able to stay at the top as their style of play is very intense and energy-sapping. It must be seriously demanding both physically and mentally so they may not be built for the long road but I doubt they care too much right now.
Hard luck to our neighbours. Unfortunately the long wait must go on. A relatively young side so you imagine Mayo will be be there or thereabouts for a few more years but getting to a final is tough and winning one even harder so there are no guarantees. With finals you have the take your chance when you're there and often your best chance is the first time you get to one. I remember the Galway hurlers reaching the All-Ireland final in 2005 with a young side and all the pundits saying they would be back in the next few finals. In fact it took them 7 years to get back to one. You just don't know.
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 24, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: camanchero on September 24, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
QuoteThought the ref was trying to keep Mayo in it, some poor decisions/decisions not given and so on.
I think that comment is horse manure and it was frustrating to listen to 2 ex-Donegal players coming out with the same bull when interviewed last night on the Sunday Game along with Jim McG alluding to it.
If i was from Donegal i'd spend far more being thankful for the free out that was given when Cillian O'Connor was fouled ultimately leading to the 2nd goal and a 4 point turn-around than moaning about what they perceive as a couple of hard calls against them.
Christ, if they had lost there would have been some moaning if they're moaning about it when the won.
in your opinion (and possibly other people's opinions) perhaps, but in my own opinion and more or less everyone else in the corporate box where we sat (with the benefit of looking at the tv screen in the box behind us for replays) the opinion was that the ref was good to mayo. a few soft frees either way, ref should have booked some more and not yellow carded a couple he did.
I thought Donegal had to endure a lot worse in order to get a free in comparison to mayo.
I'm a qualified ref by the way - but having seen a good few top refs perform porly this season inc deegan, that counts for feck all too.
I dont want to get into a slagging match and offend the poor mayo lads as they are a great footballing people, but its only my opinion - and one shared by a lot of people (a lot of neutrals included).
even though it didnt affect the match, I still think we need to improve on refs, consistency and accuracy. hawkeye and instant tv replays etc etc.
Were the corporate brigade all donegal supporters !!!
"....the opinion was that the ref was good to mayo."
Some examples would help.
Can you comment on some of the scoreable frees that donegal were given in the 2nd half ...(since you say you are qualified) and the non awarding of a free to o'connor preceding donegal 2nd goal.
Also any comment (given that you are a referee) about donegal tactic of interfering with many mayo free takers out the field and their theatrics near the end on the game following fouls?
I'm not from Donegal ! I just expected them to win by 5 points.
Should I get the opportunity to watch the game again on tv Im sure id have no problem noting down various transgressions that the referee missed or gave that I felt was not within the letter of the law or inconsistent.
While I believe both Donegal and Mayo tend to dive a bit all this season, yesterday I reckoned that Mayo were the bigger culprits.
while still licking your wounds at a loss I suspect this opnion isnt nice to hear, but the denizens of the corporate box around me were Dubs with a couple of Donegal folk and one Rossie (supporting mayo). All the people in the box seemd to feel that the ref while not brilliant was a tad inconsistent and that mayo were the benefactors of such generosity in his awards for free kicks.
my opinion at half time wat that the ref had gained mayo three points.
as for this much whinged at free that oconor should have been awarded prior to the donegal second goal - if that was a free, then I wish that I had been given frees for situations like that as a forward when I played.
however, croke park have metted out rules that can construe contact almost this to be a free in modern day football (but not in this case) - but if deegan had given that, then donegal would surely have merited a dozen or more 21 yard frees in the first half alone.
the second half was a non event.
best of luck next year, but too many neutrals are voicng the same opinions regarding the ref yesterday - they cant all be wrong.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
Look at the recording .... Cillian O'Connor was clearly fouled prior to this incident and antagonized by the two defenders.
After you watch it can you come back with these notes regrading the referee .... I would be intertested.
Thank You.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 24, 2012, 08:23:33 PM
Congrats to Donegal. Can't argue that it wasn't deserved. They beat a host of top sides this Summer. Undoubtably the best team in the land at the moment. I wonder how long they will be able to stay at the top as their style of play is very intense and energy-sapping. It must be seriously demanding both physically and mentally so they may not be built for the long road but I doubt they care too much right now.
Hard luck to our neighbours. Unfortunately the long wait must go on. A relatively young side so you imagine Mayo will be be there or thereabouts for a few more years but getting to a final is tough and winning one even harder so there are no guarantees. With finals you have the take your chance when you're there and often your best chance is the first time you get to one. I remember the Galway hurlers reaching the All-Ireland final in 2005 with a young side and all the pundits saying they would be back in the next few finals. In fact it took them 7 years to get back to one. You just don't know.
That was mainly due to the emergence of Kilkenny who subsequently sucked most of the oxygen out of hurling until Tipp in 2010 and this year's Leinster final.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
For what? Doping his horse?
Quote from: ToWinJustOnce_Mayo4Sam on September 24, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
Look at the recording .... Cillian O'Connor was clearly fouled prior to this incident and antagonized by the two defenders.
That doesn't undo what he did.
Camanchero, I think Mayo should have been awarded about 47.5 easy scoreable frees during the game.
I once refereed an U-12 match too.
So there
Tough one again and yet another damp evening-after in the west just like the last ones. Funny how the I can remember things like that but would probably be the same if we had won.
Hats off to Donegal. A great team to have won as many games on tough routes over the last two years. In my book they are up there with great teams like the meaths/corks of the late 80's and the Galways 90's and Tyrones/Armaghs of 2000's. Couldn't happen to a nicer county and its great people.(Kerry were in a different league to everyone else lest it's mentioned)
Agree with someone above in that it didn't feel great heading for the match. I know I'm getting on now but I had more confidence going to all the previous finals. Bloody hell I hope i'm not "loosing the Faith".
Anyway a bit too sad and tired to go into deep analysis. You could maybe point to a few of our players who might have grabbed the game by the scruf, a quicker reaction on the line like Richie in sooner, but its easy to talk here.
I firmly believe however now more than ever that we have been unlucky in that we have never produced an outstanding forward to build a forward unit around like Allen, O'Rourke, Linden, Fitzgerald, McConville, Canavan, Brogan, Joyce and now Murphy.
Just my two cents worth :-[
Anyway i'm sure we'll get back on the horse again fairly soon & enjoy your win up there in Donegal.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
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It's a fair cop. :D
Quote from: nephinman on September 24, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Tough one again and yet another damp evening-after in the west just like the last ones. Funny how the I can remember things like that but would probably be the same if we had won.
Hats off to Donegal. A great team to have won as many games on tough routes over the last two years. In my book they are up there with great teams like the meaths/corks of the late 80's and the Galways 90's and Tyrones/Armaghs of 2000's. Couldn't happen to a nicer county and its great people.(Kerry were in a different league to everyone else lest it's mentioned)
Agree with someone above in that it didn't feel great heading for the match. I know I'm getting on now but I had more confidence going to all the previous finals. Bloody hell I hope i'm not "loosing the Faith".
Anyway a bit too sad and tired to go into deep analysis. You could maybe point to a few of our players who might have grabbed the game by the scruf, a quicker reaction on the line like Richie in sooner, but its easy to talk here.
I firmly believe however now more than ever that we have been unlucky in that we have never produced an outstanding forward to build a forward unit around like Allen, O'Rourke, Linden, Fitzgerald, McConville, Canavan, Brogan, Joyce and now Murphy.
Just my two cents worth :-[
Anyway i'm sure we'll get back on the horse again fairly soon & enjoy your win up there in Donegal.
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The bit in bold could have been me. The blogger above appears to concur. There were thousands of us there yesterday who were hoping wheels would not come off but knowing that they would have to. Thats our story and the odessey continues.
It will take something really special to change the script. I think our current team is a bit special. They ve worked hard but have been unlucky with injuries. Donegal were always going to be a big ask - but there ll always be a Donegal, Kerry or Cork or Tyrone. Nobody is going to hand us one.
John O Keefe made the same point about the stand out forward, that you do, today in his column. I thought we were close to finding another way this year - lets face it we cant hang around for a Murphy to emerge. I thought management wrongly resorted to a 3 man ff line when the running game was developing, and was the game needed for Donegal, who were always a likely opposition late in champ.
Mind you in the past we had some top finishers like Joe McGrath and Kevin O Neill but the rest of set-up was a mess too often. Be great if we had a Tom Langan type now but we dont but we ve a lot of other qualities and I d expect 3/4 new faces next year by championship.
Tom Langan came to mind because Murphy s goal was awfully similar to Langan s effort v Meath 60 odd years ago. For those of you that don t know - there will be many - Langan was full- forward on the Millinium team. Ar dheis Dé go rabh an anam.
This is a point I've made many times and it's a question I've often asked, Mayo don't have any top notch finishers but why?
For a football mad big county why aren't they producing ether forwards? Even Tipp and Wexford have produced better scoring forwards than Mayo have had inliving memory. It's something the county should be looking at as a matter of priority.
Re Langan, for about 3 years now they have had a plaque at the corner of the Cusack and Davin beside one of the bars ... "Tom Langan, full forward on the great Mayo team of 1951 & 1952" ..........................
Anyway - Pearce Hanley, time to answer your counties call for 1 year a la Tadgh Kenneally !!
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 11:10:26 PM
Re Langan, for about 3 years now they have had a plaque at the corner of the Cusack and Davin beside one of the bars ... "Tom Langan, full forward on the great Mayo team of 1951 & 1952" ..........................
Anyway - Pearce Hanley, time to answer your counties call for 1 year a la Tadgh Kenneally !!
We won't be ready next year but maybe in 2014 we'll call him home and bring Sam back to the Hyde.
Mayo never replaced Ray Dempsey.
There have been a few mentions of smilarities between Mayo and Down 2010, and that would be my fear for Mayo.
That they lose players.
Down were missing 7/8 off the panel from 2010 this year. I dare say most of them would still be about if we had won.
Quote from: Zulu on September 24, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
This is a point I've made many times and it's a question I've often asked, Mayo don't have any top notch finishers but why?
For a football mad big county why aren't they producing ether forwards? Even Tipp and Wexford have produced better scoring forwards than Mayo have had inliving memory. It's something the county should be looking at as a matter of priority.
I m not sure that you can 'produce' a Murphy or a Gooch. There s lot of stuff that can be coached - both teams yesterday were the product of good coaching and prep. - but one team had a stand-out close- in attacking talent.
Murphy is a gem of a player. technically brilliant, a leader and a level headed lad at 23 yrs of age.
25 yrs ago Padraig Brogan was a footballer for the ages but his temperment was different. He ll have no regrets and still had a fine career but he could have been a Murphy. He emerged. He could have a team built around him and lifted sam but it wasn t for him. He wasn t a product either.
Evan Regan is talented (probably technically better than McBrearty) but he s 5- 9 and less than 12 stone. How can we make him bigger? I doubt any of the great forward players were produced to be honest.
I don t know to be honest. I was more concerned yesterday with how we ended up without a defender to mark Murphy. I couldn t help thinking 'what would Mickey Harte do?' And 2008 and Justin McMahon moved back to mark Walsh.
Could a fit strong man like Seamie O Sé be redeployed as a once off - realistically Cafferkey was never going to mark Murphy and Keane ( first season) just was too raw, but had a good year. But could we have got more from likes of Feeney, Seamie and Gibbons yesterday. Why are we not innovators?
My problem is how we went about the last few games and about tactics and carrying 3 lads in the ff line. We needed muscle elsewhere. Donegal had 2 lads that did the business in the forwards. 1-3 and 1-4 or something apiece - largely playing inside on their own, and most scores from frees. Donegal did the business yesterday but tactics was the biggest input and Murphy and McFadden were the icing on the cake. However I believe Mayo could have won this without a recognised marquee finisher. And even without Andy if we hadnt got conservative.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Mayo never replaced Ray Dempsey.
Why not? Didn t know he got hurt? Can t see f**k all in those upper seats!
Seriously though his replacement as U21 manager will be announced shortly.
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 24, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
There have been a few mentions of smilarities between Mayo and Down 2010, and that would be my fear for Mayo.
That they lose players.
Down were missing 7/8 off the panel from 2010 this year. I dare say most of them would still be about if we had won.
There ll be a few changes for next year. I d say management have regrets about the direction they went early summer. The Andy injury however really stretched us. Ye need a bit of luck with injuries. Did Donegal lose anybody? We lost 3 experienced lads in McGar, Harte and Andy and then there s Campbell who would thrive in a contest. But that s the way it goes.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
Probably just frustration at seeing another All Ireland disappear before our eyes. If it drives the fans mad to keep losing all these finals it must drive the players absolutely spare.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
I'm not stirring here but why do Mayo always try and throw their weight around in All Ireland finals?
It doesn't suit them.
Cian O'Connor was lucky he wasn't put off in the first half.
He loves horseing into lads alright, maybe Cillian O'Connor is who you are referring to. He was getting a few sly digs off McGee so it was a case of standing his ground, big McGee went down theatrically. Poor effort Jinxy.
Firstly, congratulations to Donegal who were the best team all season, and the best team yesterday. For Mayo, the goals sucked the life out of them in the first 20 minutes, but their response gave great hope for a cracking 2nd half. Unfortunately it didn't pan out and Donegal held on. The free taking let Mayo down, while Donegal converted theirs.
It was great to be at the game as a neutral, and while I was supporting Donegal, I would have been delighted to have seen Mayo lift Sam. I really hope that one day soon such a great GAA county bury the ghosts of past finals and climb the steps to collect the Sam.
I have to be honest and say that the on field celebrations at the end were fantastic and the days of the pitch invasion is well and truely over. The players from both teams were allowed time to themselves, and the family moments were precious. Would love to see the end of the booing during free's as it is wrong on so many levels, and both sets of supporters were guilty of it at times yesterday. I was in the Davin and have to say it didn't happen around where I was sitting.
I loved the few songs afterwards, and my favourite was Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal. That fairly got the fans singing and in the mood for a well deserved party !!
Short clip I recorded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwmhyDThHY&feature=player_embedded
This evening I was driving from Clones to Cavan and just at the Fermanagh border I met the team bus under escort. I was curious as to why they were on that road, and when I was in Cavan a shopkeeper was telling me they were going to the spot where Jim's brother was killed in the accident en route to leaving Jim to the airport 14 years ago on the Lisnaskea to Newtownbutler road. When I got home tonight, someone had posted a video of the moment Jim stepped of the bus and brought Sam over to the memorial on the roadside. It was emotional to watch, and no doubt a very emotional time for Jim and his family. Don't know if this link will work, but try it anyhow:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=429101700481531
Nice touch. His brother died very soon after the '98 Ulster Final, driving Jim to the airport where he was heading to the States for the summer.
Jim was arguably the best player in Ulster that year, but it (understandably) took him a few years to recover his form.
f**k it anyway O'Neil seems to be leaving us. I think he's had a major influence on the team this year. I've serious respect for the man, success follows him everywhere. Understandable reasons of why he wants to leave. Not easy doing a six hour journey twice a week on top of a days work.
Full article here:
Mayo blow as O'Neill set to join Kingdom next season
By John Fogarty
Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Mayo boss James Horan is bracing himself for another massive blow with highly regarded coach Cian O'Neill poised to leave the Connacht champions to team up with Eamonn Fitzmaurice's Kerry next season.
The new Kingdom manager has an agreement in principle with the University of Limerick lecturer O'Neill to come to Kerry next season, adding a key component to his newly-formed management team.
That rules out any involvement with Kerry for Donie Buckley, who was tipped to return to the Kerry camp after leaving Jack O'Connor's backroom team last May.
O'Neill's loss is a massive blow to Horan and the beaten All-Ireland finalists. He has been a key part of Mayo's resurgence this season, having spent the previous three campaigns with the Tipperary hurlers.
Sunday was Kildare-born O'Neill's fourth successive appearance with All-Ireland finalists, and he is viewed as one of the leading GAA conditioning coaches in the country.
The Newbridge man previously worked with Limerick's footballers in 2006 and '07 as well as Newtownshandrum when they won Cork and Munster senior hurling titles in '09.
Fitzmaurice's success in persuading O'Neill away from Mayo is a major coup for the new Kerry manager, and will help ensure there are no voluntary retirements from this year's squad. But he may have to proceed in 2013 without Seamus Moynihan, whom Fitzmaurice had hoped to bring on board as a selector. Work commitments may prevent the Kerry legend from taking up the post, leaving Mikey Sheehy and Diarmuid Murphy as selectors, and Fitzmaurice and O'Neill as coaches.
Apart from the opportunity to work with the 36-time All-Ireland winners, the shorter journey from O'Neill's Limerick base to Killarney is more appealing than the commute to Castlebar. Throughout the summer, he had been making the six-hour round trips twice a week.
It's understood Mayo are already eyeing Ballaghaderreen native Barry Solan as O'Neill's replacement on the Horan management ticket. He impressed with Justin McNulty's Laois this year.
Dublin-based lecturer Solan also worked with the Poland national soccer team for this year's European Championships as well as Olympic boxing gold champion Katie Taylor and Clontarf's AIL rugby team.
At Sunday's post-match function, Horan insisted that Sunday's All-Ireland final appearance was "only the start" for the team, while injured captain Andy Moran said "the only failure is not to come back next year".
Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2012, 02:37:00 AM
Nice touch. His brother died very soon after the '98 Ulster Final, driving Jim to the airport where he was heading to the States for the summer.
Jim was arguably the best player in Ulster that year, but it (understandably) took him a few years to recover his form.
Didn't Jim have another brother die tragically playing football in the lawn, when he was around 10? He had a lot to deal with in his life, best of luck to him and well done Donegal
Aw, frig it anyway, life must go on regardless! ;D
I should be getting used to the pain of losing an All Ireland by now but, take my word for it,I am a very slow learner.
Going into the game, I felt Mayo had a chance of winning. Without question, if both sides played to form, Mayo would not prevail. If Mayo settled down quickly and were less affected by nerves than Donegal at the onset, I felt they would have had a fighting chance.
Fair play to Jim McGuinness, he managed to shield his side from the carnival going on all around them as they prepared for the final. Sure, they showed nerves when Mayo began to rally after the disastrous opening minutes but by then, Donegall were too far ahead for this to be an issue.
Why, oh why, Did Murphy have to rediscover his form on this day of all days?
It was deja vu time again as he rounded Keane and scored that superb goal. It was Donaghy against Heaney time all over again.I know moysider and others who know more about the ins and outs of Mayo football than I do, feel Horan got his match-ups right but by the time Cafferkey and Keane were switched, Donegal could well have been ten points ahead.
As it was, Mayo were never going to overhaul a 7 points lead, given that Donegal are the best defensive side in the country. When they reverted to their normal style of play in the second half, the game was as good as over.Mayo never managed to play their normal game. In part, this was due to the midfielders misfiring all through the game. O'Shea did his best but it was plain to see that his recent injury was affecting him.
I was afraid that his frustration would get the better of him and he could well find himself in trouble with the ref.
Richie Feeney certainly made a difference when he came on but I don't know why he wasn't sprung earlier or, better still, why he wasn't in from the start. Al in all, I think Mayo did quite well, given Donegal's flying start and were still in with a chance until the 55th minute or thereabouts. But it was always going to be a case of their opponents panicking if they were going to win. They never seemed likely to score a goal and certainly it's goals that win games.
All credit to Donegal, they fully deserved their victory. For Mayo, it's the same old story; good, but not quite good enough yet.
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Brilliant Picture.
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2012, 09:42:21 PM
Camanchero, I think Mayo should have been awarded about 47.5 easy scoreable frees during the game.
I once refereed an U-12 match too.
So there
Lol
Good man!
At least you got to the final!
This one is even better
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Deserved win for Donegal even if they were a little off colour. An enjoyable final if not a memorable one. Keep the heads up Mayo, there's an AI there with that team if you keep Horan and the faith.
Just taking stock of what Donegal have achieved. I don't think it is fully appreciated by the nation at the moment but what McGuinness has done with them in the past few years is nothing short of phenomenal in my opinion. It essentially shows the power of the mind and how any team, if they buy in totally to a supreme level of commitment and sacrifice, can achieve anything.
I don't think it shows that at all. Yes, he achieved something very notable but he didn't do it with the waterford footballers. He had at least 5 or 6 players many counties would have gladly taken and the real superpowers of the past decade are in decline so he in essence he got a very good bunch of players to win an All Ireland by getting them to commit to the necessary level of application.
As I said, that's no small feat but he hasn't worked miracles. Horan has done an equally impressive job and swop McFadden and Murphy with Cillian O'Connor and Varley and Sam would probably be down in Ballina tonight.
Congrats to Donegal and all the Donegal posters on here should be a great few months up there . Haven't watched the match again but will do so tonight we put up a brave performance but the 1st 11 minutes cost us the game.
Quote from: Zulu on September 25, 2012, 05:55:32 PM
I don't think it shows that at all. Yes, he achieved something very notable but he didn't do it with the waterford footballers. He had at least 5 or 6 players many counties would have gladly taken and the real superpowers of the past decade are in decline so he in essence he got a very good bunch of players to win an All Ireland by getting them to commit to the necessary level of application.
As I said, that's no small feat but he hasn't worked miracles. Horan has done an equally impressive job and swop McFadden and Murphy with Cillian O'Connor and Varley and Sam would probably be down in Ballina tonight.
In my opinion Donegal were a very average team a few years back. To take them from the state they were in to All Ireland champions in such a short space of time is phenomenal in my eyes.
Id guarantee that McGuinness or someone of a similar ilk could take the likes of the Waterford footballers to a much higher level than what they are currently at in a short period of time.
Congrats to Donegal. Best team in the country by far this year. McGuinness might have had some talented footballers but Donegal have had them in the past (Devenney.... Adrian Sweeney etc) and failed to win anything significant with them. So he deserves all the plaudits he is getting for maximising the potential of what he had available to him. They are young and hungry enough to come back for more but it's a matter of whether they can continue to make the sacrifices off the field in their family and work lives etc in order to stay at this level of performance.
The worst thing Mayo could do now would be to lump this AI defeat in with any of their previous ones. It was entirely different. There was no collapse. In fact they showed massive strength of character to bounce back from a start that would have buried most teams. They were very unlucky in that they should have had a free before the 2nd goal. That was a 4 point difference because they would have scored their free. They didnt help themselves with some high tackling but the ref was a little too hasty to dish out yellows to them... possibly infleunced by some of the media comments about their fouling tactics in the Dublin match. But the key thing for them is that they competed so well with Donegal in the 2nd half. They are still a work in progress but one that is going in the right direction.
I thought Cafferkey based on his form this year would have handled Murphy. Ger Feeney surely should have started ? I thought Conroy should have been left on in the sense he might have been capable of scoring a goal in the last few moments.
Leaving all that aside Andy Moran was a massive loss.... think Donegal without McFadden or Murphy. Horan.... Andy Moran and the rest of the panel are ambitious enough to come back as an improved outfit next season.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: nephinman on September 24, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Tough one again and yet another damp evening-after in the west just like the last ones. Funny how the I can remember things like that but would probably be the same if we had won.
Hats off to Donegal. A great team to have won as many games on tough routes over the last two years. In my book they are up there with great teams like the meaths/corks of the late 80's and the Galways 90's and Tyrones/Armaghs of 2000's. Couldn't happen to a nicer county and its great people.(Kerry were in a different league to everyone else lest it's mentioned)
Agree with someone above in that it didn't feel great heading for the match. I know I'm getting on now but I had more confidence going to all the previous finals. Bloody hell I hope i'm not "loosing the Faith".
Anyway a bit too sad and tired to go into deep analysis. You could maybe point to a few of our players who might have grabbed the game by the scruf, a quicker reaction on the line like Richie in sooner, but its easy to talk here.
I firmly believe however now more than ever that we have been unlucky in that we have never produced an outstanding forward to build a forward unit around like Allen, O'Rourke, Linden, Fitzgerald, McConville, Canavan, Brogan, Joyce and now Murphy.
Just my two cents worth :-[
Anyway i'm sure we'll get back on the horse again fairly soon & enjoy your win up there in Donegal.
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/
The bit in bold could have been me. The blogger above appears to concur. There were thousands of us there yesterday who were hoping wheels would not come off but knowing that they would have to. Thats our story and the odessey continues.
It will take something really special to change the script. I think our current team is a bit special. They ve worked hard but have been unlucky with injuries. Donegal were always going to be a big ask - but there ll always be a Donegal, Kerry or Cork or Tyrone. Nobody is going to hand us one.
John O Keefe made the same point about the stand out forward, that you do, today in his column. I thought we were close to finding another way this year - lets face it we cant hang around for a Murphy to emerge. I thought management wrongly resorted to a 3 man ff line when the running game was developing, and was the game needed for Donegal, who were always a likely opposition late in champ.
Mind you in the past we had some top finishers like Joe McGrath and Kevin O Neill but the rest of set-up was a mess too often. Be great if we had a Tom Langan type now but we dont but we ve a lot of other qualities and I d expect 3/4 new faces next year by championship.
Tom Langan came to mind because Murphy s goal was awfully similar to Langan s effort v Meath 60 odd years ago. For those of you that don t know - there will be many - Langan was full- forward on the Millinium team. Ar dheis Dé go rabh an anam.
Bedad, moysider, you do come up with some thought-provoking diversions.
Padraig Brogan reminds me of Paul Gascoigne. Brilliant without a doubt but ultimately useless.
A bit like a lighthouse in a bog.
Padraig sure had potential but no one could harness it. Coincidentally, Donegal couldn't either. But, leaving me auntie and me uncle aside, if only Mayo had managed to mould a team around him, we could have gone places then. We had plenty of fine footballers in the mid-eighties but, the nearer you moved to the opposition goal, the more the quality declined.
That's been the case as far back as I can remember.
Maybe McGrath and O'Neill bucked this trend but in O'Neill's case, he was hampered by injuries and out of favour with John Maughan during his relatively short playing career. Noel Durkin and James Horan were top class forwards but neither were goal scorers and without a doubt goals win games. Same goes for Supermac and Conoreen.
I thought Andy was coming into his own when disaster struck. Without doubt, he would have been the linchpin of the Mayo attack and Horan seemed to have Varley and Conroy as his preferred corner men. With them and Dillon, O'Connor and McLoughlin outside them, he'd have the best Mayo attack I have seen.
Ah, shag it, that pisreog about the funeral in Foxford might be true after all!
While I'm at it, why did Michael Murphy's father have to move to Donegal? ;D
That priest in Foxford will have an awful lot to answer for on Judgement Day.
BTW, I don't think Seamie O'Shea or anyone else could have handled Murphy on Sunday. With Mayo's midfield malfunctioning, the quality of the passes directed in to him would leave Mayo in danger all through the game.
Still, the switching of Keane and Caff did steady the Mayo defence and both of them played quite well for the remainder of the game. But by then, the horse had well and truly bolted.
Horan seemed to lose his sure touch as the game progressed. I don't think we could have won without Andy but if horan had gone for broke earlier, who knows what might have happened.
He could have put a sweeper back in front of Murphy but he didn't. McGuinness did this when O'Shea moved in to the edge of the square in the closing minutes and it worked to great effect. As it was, Aidan was clearly unfit from the throw in and was left in midfield until the last few minutes. With Gallagher and Kavanagh making hay, McFadden and Murphy no doubt found the going easier than they had anticipated.
At this stage, the game is over we're gallant losers one more time.
Commiserations instead of congratulations as per usual.
While Cian O'Neill can be complimented on bringing a top level of fitness to the Mayo set up, one has to question why he seemed to jump ship before the All Ireland final. It was common knowledge within the Mayo squad that he was on his way well before last Sunday.
It may not have effected the result, but it certainly could have done little to improve the confidence levels of the Mayo team if your coach is leaving for pastures new. Timing could have been so much better. Lets hope the new backroom team will be capable of bringing us to the promised land :)
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 25, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
While Cian O'Neill can be complimented on bringing a top level of fitness to the Mayo set up, one has to question why he seemed to jump ship before the All Ireland final. It was common knowledge within the Mayo squad that he was on his way well before last Sunday.
It may not have effected the result, but it certainly could have done little to improve the confidence levels of the Mayo team if your coach is leaving for pastures new. Timing could have been so much better. Lets hope the new backroom team will be capable of bringing us to the promised land :)
Hopefully we can get the appointment of Barry Solan through. He's one of the most dynamic forward thinking s&c coaches out there so the void left by O'Neill will be hardly noticeable. An out and out Mayo Ballagh man too so he'll bring plenty of passion to the role.
The undeniable, inescapable pang of defeat in the base of my stomach doesn't seem like shifting anytime soon however.
Daniel and Jimmy singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V581Otb3VI&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V581Otb3VI&feature=plcp) very good indeed
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2012, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: nephinman on September 24, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Tough one again and yet another damp evening-after in the west just like the last ones. Funny how the I can remember things like that but would probably be the same if we had won.
Hats off to Donegal. A great team to have won as many games on tough routes over the last two years. In my book they are up there with great teams like the meaths/corks of the late 80's and the Galways 90's and Tyrones/Armaghs of 2000's. Couldn't happen to a nicer county and its great people.(Kerry were in a different league to everyone else lest it's mentioned)
Agree with someone above in that it didn't feel great heading for the match. I know I'm getting on now but I had more confidence going to all the previous finals. Bloody hell I hope i'm not "loosing the Faith".
Anyway a bit too sad and tired to go into deep analysis. You could maybe point to a few of our players who might have grabbed the game by the scruf, a quicker reaction on the line like Richie in sooner, but its easy to talk here.
I firmly believe however now more than ever that we have been unlucky in that we have never produced an outstanding forward to build a forward unit around like Allen, O'Rourke, Linden, Fitzgerald, McConville, Canavan, Brogan, Joyce and now Murphy.
Just my two cents worth :-[
Anyway i'm sure we'll get back on the horse again fairly soon & enjoy your win up there in Donegal.
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/
The bit in bold could have been me. The blogger above appears to concur. There were thousands of us there yesterday who were hoping wheels would not come off but knowing that they would have to. Thats our story and the odessey continues.
It will take something really special to change the script. I think our current team is a bit special. They ve worked hard but have been unlucky with injuries. Donegal were always going to be a big ask - but there ll always be a Donegal, Kerry or Cork or Tyrone. Nobody is going to hand us one.
John O Keefe made the same point about the stand out forward, that you do, today in his column. I thought we were close to finding another way this year - lets face it we cant hang around for a Murphy to emerge. I thought management wrongly resorted to a 3 man ff line when the running game was developing, and was the game needed for Donegal, who were always a likely opposition late in champ.
Mind you in the past we had some top finishers like Joe McGrath and Kevin O Neill but the rest of set-up was a mess too often. Be great if we had a Tom Langan type now but we dont but we ve a lot of other qualities and I d expect 3/4 new faces next year by championship.
Tom Langan came to mind because Murphy s goal was awfully similar to Langan s effort v Meath 60 odd years ago. For those of you that don t know - there will be many - Langan was full- forward on the Millinium team. Ar dheis Dé go rabh an anam.
Bedad, moysider, you do come up with some thought-provoking diversions.
Padraig Brogan reminds me of Paul Gascoigne. Brilliant without a doubt but ultimately useless.
A bit like a lighthouse in a bog.Padraig sure had potential but no one could harness it. Coincidentally, Donegal couldn't either. But, leaving me auntie and me uncle aside, if only Mayo had managed to mould a team around him, we could have gone places then. We had plenty of fine footballers in the mid-eighties but, the nearer you moved to the opposition goal, the more the quality declined.
That's been the case as far back as I can remember.
Maybe McGrath and O'Neill bucked this trend but in O'Neill's case, he was hampered by injuries and out of favour with John Maughan during his relatively short playing career. Noel Durkin and James Horan were top class forwards but neither were goal scorers and without a doubt goals win games. Same goes for Supermac and Conoreen.
I thought Andy was coming into his own when disaster struck. Without doubt, he would have been the linchpin of the Mayo attack and Horan seemed to have Varley and Conroy as his preferred corner men. With them and Dillon, O'Connor and McLoughlin outside them, he'd have the best Mayo attack I have seen.
Ah, shag it, that pisreog about the funeral in Foxford might be true after all!
While I'm at it, why did Michael Murphy's father have to move to Donegal? ;D
That priest in Foxford will have an awful lot to answer for on Judgement Day.
BTW, I don't think Seamie O'Shea or anyone else could have handled Murphy on Sunday. With Mayo's midfield malfunctioning, the quality of the passes directed in to him would leave Mayo in danger all through the game.
Still, the switching of Keane and Caff did steady the Mayo defence and both of them played quite well for the remainder of the game. But by then, the horse had well and truly bolted.
Horan seemed to lose his sure touch as the game progressed. I don't think we could have won without Andy but if horan had gone for broke earlier, who knows what might have happened.
He could have put a sweeper back in front of Murphy but he didn't. McGuinness did this when O'Shea moved in to the edge of the square in the closing minutes and it worked to great effect. As it was, Aidan was clearly unfit from the throw in and was left in midfield until the last few minutes. With Gallagher and Kavanagh making hay, McFadden and Murphy no doubt found the going easier than they had anticipated.
At this stage, the game is over we're gallant losers one more time.
Commiserations instead of congratulations as per usual.
That s unfair Lar. Brogan was one of the best footballers I ever saw. One of the best that ever played colleges football. For well documented reasons he hit his prime around 19 but had some club career. The culture of the time in Mayo and the fact that we didn t have a decent manager at the time meant that there was no attempt to nurture his talent. Badly missed in 89 and could still have bben some asset in 96/97.
Ah well, we re the architects of our own misery. And we were last day as well to a degree.
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 25, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
While Cian O'Neill can be complimented on bringing a top level of fitness to the Mayo set up, one has to question why he seemed to jump ship before the All Ireland final. It was common knowledge within the Mayo squad that he was on his way well before last Sunday.
It may not have effected the result, but it certainly could have done little to improve the confidence levels of the Mayo team if your coach is leaving for pastures new. Timing could have been so much better. Lets hope the new backroom team will be capable of bringing us to the promised land :)
We can t be surprised by that.
Wasn t there a bit of a 'review' of his role in the set-up. It appears he wanted more of a coaching input than just being a drill monkey.
But being based in Limerick it makes more sense to go to Kerry. That s his story and it s good enough for me.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2012, 09:18:49 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 25, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
While Cian O'Neill can be complimented on bringing a top level of fitness to the Mayo set up, one has to question why he seemed to jump ship before the All Ireland final. It was common knowledge within the Mayo squad that he was on his way well before last Sunday.
It may not have effected the result, but it certainly could have done little to improve the confidence levels of the Mayo team if your coach is leaving for pastures new. Timing could have been so much better. Lets hope the new backroom team will be capable of bringing us to the promised land :)
Hopefully we can get the appointment of Barry Solan through. He's one of the most dynamic forward thinking s&c coaches out there so the void left by O'Neill will be hardly noticeable. An out and out Mayo Ballagh man too so he'll bring plenty of passion to the role.
The undeniable, inescapable pang of defeat in the base of my stomach doesn't seem like shifting anytime soon however.
Here s something that will make that pang last all winter long!
2-7 of Donegal s total came from Mayo in possession and kicking the ball into the full-forward line and it not sticking. Ok a bit did stick but did we lost out big time on that. And lets face it we knew it was a busted tactic after losing Andy. Yeah we got a lot of return with ball inside v Dublin but Donegal had already beat our inside men up above in Ballyshannon. They were rubbing their hands with this prospect. Also meant we took Dillon and Mcloughlin out of the game largely but Donegal got the best match ups there also. Donegal dictated the match-ups and we did nothing to change tack.
I d love to know why we abandoned the running game that suited us and would have limited Donegal the ammo they need ?- counterattack possession. I d also love to know why Keith Higgins was left minding the house after it was robbed. Unbelievable! Higgins spend all spring terrorising oppositions with his pace and devil. Yet when we need that we take him out of the game ourselves and put him on babysitting duties. It was sad to see him realise all was lost and try to punch forward last few minutes. WTF are we doing with that kind of shite.
And any bollocks that comes along and tells me that Keith is a corner back and his job is to defend is...........
looks like we ll never get it right. Can have all the fitness science, (a must) psychologists, etc in the world but if we cant select a team and get the tactics sorted. Probably the most important bit being recognising where your vulnerable yourself and taking pre-emptive action. This nonesense of just playing own game is shite. The really good coaches play both teams games in their heads before the real stuff starts. Mayo has never done that. McGuinness and Harte have def. for 2 anyway.
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2012, 11:01:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2012, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: nephinman on September 24, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
Tough one again and yet another damp evening-after in the west just like the last ones. Funny how the I can remember things like that but would probably be the same if we had won.
Hats off to Donegal. A great team to have won as many games on tough routes over the last two years. In my book they are up there with great teams like the meaths/corks of the late 80's and the Galways 90's and Tyrones/Armaghs of 2000's. Couldn't happen to a nicer county and its great people.(Kerry were in a different league to everyone else lest it's mentioned)
Agree with someone above in that it didn't feel great heading for the match. I know I'm getting on now but I had more confidence going to all the previous finals. Bloody hell I hope i'm not "loosing the Faith".
Anyway a bit too sad and tired to go into deep analysis. You could maybe point to a few of our players who might have grabbed the game by the scruf, a quicker reaction on the line like Richie in sooner, but its easy to talk here.
I firmly believe however now more than ever that we have been unlucky in that we have never produced an outstanding forward to build a forward unit around like Allen, O'Rourke, Linden, Fitzgerald, McConville, Canavan, Brogan, Joyce and now Murphy.
Just my two cents worth :-[
Anyway i'm sure we'll get back on the horse again fairly soon & enjoy your win up there in Donegal.
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/
The bit in bold could have been me. The blogger above appears to concur. There were thousands of us there yesterday who were hoping wheels would not come off but knowing that they would have to. Thats our story and the odessey continues.
It will take something really special to change the script. I think our current team is a bit special. They ve worked hard but have been unlucky with injuries. Donegal were always going to be a big ask - but there ll always be a Donegal, Kerry or Cork or Tyrone. Nobody is going to hand us one.
John O Keefe made the same point about the stand out forward, that you do, today in his column. I thought we were close to finding another way this year - lets face it we cant hang around for a Murphy to emerge. I thought management wrongly resorted to a 3 man ff line when the running game was developing, and was the game needed for Donegal, who were always a likely opposition late in champ.
Mind you in the past we had some top finishers like Joe McGrath and Kevin O Neill but the rest of set-up was a mess too often. Be great if we had a Tom Langan type now but we dont but we ve a lot of other qualities and I d expect 3/4 new faces next year by championship.
Tom Langan came to mind because Murphy s goal was awfully similar to Langan s effort v Meath 60 odd years ago. For those of you that don t know - there will be many - Langan was full- forward on the Millinium team. Ar dheis Dé go rabh an anam.
Bedad, moysider, you do come up with some thought-provoking diversions.
Padraig Brogan reminds me of Paul Gascoigne. Brilliant without a doubt but ultimately useless.
A bit like a lighthouse in a bog.Padraig sure had potential but no one could harness it. Coincidentally, Donegal couldn't either. But, leaving me auntie and me uncle aside, if only Mayo had managed to mould a team around him, we could have gone places then. We had plenty of fine footballers in the mid-eighties but, the nearer you moved to the opposition goal, the more the quality declined.
That's been the case as far back as I can remember.
Maybe McGrath and O'Neill bucked this trend but in O'Neill's case, he was hampered by injuries and out of favour with John Maughan during his relatively short playing career. Noel Durkin and James Horan were top class forwards but neither were goal scorers and without a doubt goals win games. Same goes for Supermac and Conoreen.
I thought Andy was coming into his own when disaster struck. Without doubt, he would have been the linchpin of the Mayo attack and Horan seemed to have Varley and Conroy as his preferred corner men. With them and Dillon, O'Connor and McLoughlin outside them, he'd have the best Mayo attack I have seen.
Ah, shag it, that pisreog about the funeral in Foxford might be true after all!
While I'm at it, why did Michael Murphy's father have to move to Donegal? ;D
That priest in Foxford will have an awful lot to answer for on Judgement Day.
BTW, I don't think Seamie O'Shea or anyone else could have handled Murphy on Sunday. With Mayo's midfield malfunctioning, the quality of the passes directed in to him would leave Mayo in danger all through the game.
Still, the switching of Keane and Caff did steady the Mayo defence and both of them played quite well for the remainder of the game. But by then, the horse had well and truly bolted.
Horan seemed to lose his sure touch as the game progressed. I don't think we could have won without Andy but if horan had gone for broke earlier, who knows what might have happened.
He could have put a sweeper back in front of Murphy but he didn't. McGuinness did this when O'Shea moved in to the edge of the square in the closing minutes and it worked to great effect. As it was, Aidan was clearly unfit from the throw in and was left in midfield until the last few minutes. With Gallagher and Kavanagh making hay, McFadden and Murphy no doubt found the going easier than they had anticipated.
At this stage, the game is over we're gallant losers one more time.
Commiserations instead of congratulations as per usual.
That s unfair Lar. Brogan was one of the best footballers I ever saw. One of the best that ever played colleges football. For well documented reasons he hit his prime around 19 but had some club career. The culture of the time in Mayo and the fact that we didn t have a decent manager at the time meant that there was no attempt to nurture his talent. Badly missed in 89 and could still have bben some asset in 96/97.
Ah well, we re the architects of our own misery. And we were last day as well to a degree.
I had thought that you would have known what I was referring to. Let's say Padraig had other interests outside of football. A few acquaintances told me he was the best banjo player they had ever come across and they were regulars on the pub entertainment circuit. Maybe that took from his interest in football. You can't serve two masters and his football suffered as a result of his other activities.
Whatever the reason, his football talent was never developed. He would have been a great asset in '89 without a doubt but there's no point in dwelling on that now. He wasn't appreciated by management but that's only part of the story.
Strangely I believe more than ever after that game that we will win the AI next year.
Yes we need to improve and push on. Yes we need to find/improve a couple of forwards. But I think there is something different about this Mayo team. The tenacity and mental fortitiude show nby the likes of Boyle, Keegan, O'Se, Moran, McLoughlin and Higgins was great. I think we'll need to have Andy in FF and find a couple of more options. Our goal scoring opportunities went with Andy, a great man to make ball stick and lay it off.
Ah, you have to say McGuinness has done a great job. Jez, they have retained a Anglo-Celt and Won an AI. Not even looking at the massive win that an AI is, Donegal had lost 5 Ulster finals in a row before JMG. I think they had won only 1 outta 8 Championship games in Croker. They have had no underage success, bar an Ulster under 21 a few years ago. They really have relatively came from nowhere and anybody who says the opposite does not follow football.
Horan, in his own right has done well also. But has to fine tune a few things. He will probably have learned far more this year than last year.
Quote from: kevmy on September 26, 2012, 01:06:51 PM
Strangely I believe more than ever after that game that we will win the AI next year.
Yes we need to improve and push on. Yes we need to find/improve a couple of forwards. But I think there is something different about this Mayo team. The tenacity and mental fortitiude show nby the likes of Boyle, Keegan, O'Se, Moran, McLoughlin and Higgins was great. I think we'll need to have Andy in FF and find a couple of more options. Our goal scoring opportunities went with Andy, a great man to make ball stick and lay it off.
We need luck with injuries, need to condition a few players better, strenghten the foward divison of our bench. But it's all good.
Quote from: kevmy on September 26, 2012, 01:06:51 PM
Strangely I believe more than ever after that game that we will win the AI next year.
Yes we need to improve and push on. Yes we need to find/improve a couple of forwards. But I think there is something different about this Mayo team. The tenacity and mental fortitiude show nby the likes of Boyle, Keegan, O'Se, Moran, McLoughlin and Higgins was great. I think we'll need to have Andy in FF and find a couple of more options. Our goal scoring opportunities went with Andy, a great man to make ball stick and lay it off.
I think that this game,if nothing else ,got rid of the bad taste left after the the 2006 All Ireland for a lot of people,although it did not look likely after 11 mins.
That was badly needed anyway.
Cork did.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2012, 01:11:47 PM
Ah, you have to say McGuinness has done a great job. Jez, they have retained a Anglo-Celt and Won an AI. Not even looking at the massive win that an AI is, Donegal had lost 5 Ulster finals in a row before JMG. I think they had won only 1 outta 8 Championship games in Croker. They have had no underage success, bar an Ulster under 21 a few years ago. They really have relatively came from nowhere and anybody who says the opposite does not follow football.
Horan, in his own right has done well also. But has to fine tune a few things. He will probably have learned far more this year than last year.
I read the other day before the 2007 NFL final Donegal had lost 13 finals in row which included league,Ulster & McKenna cups. Donegal also won Ulster minor title in 06 a few of those players were on the 2010 U21 team & that team played important role in this year's success. For example McGuinness was manager he tasted a heartbreaking AI final defeat it was Murphy that probably felt it the most after his penalty miss & for me making Murphy senior captain this year was one of the many masterstrokes by McGuinness.
Cork had Paddy Kelly, Kerrigan, Golding, O'Connor and Sheehan and all those players would been on many people's Irish team. Sheehan will be regarded as a GAA great in due course.
First off, I'd like to thank James and the Mayo players for giving us a great year, just a pity they couldn't finally end the wait.
Congrats to Donegal, I hope ye enjoy it. Any other year, I'd be delighted to see ye winning.
It's a long way back for us in 2013 but there are no teams out there that we couldn't beat on a given day.
Maigh Eo abú
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2012, 05:27:39 PM
Cork had Paddy Kelly, Kerrigan, Golding, O'Connor and Sheehan and all those players would been on many people's Irish team. Sheehan will be regarded as a GAA great in due course.
I'd have
maybe one of those on an Irish 15. Goulding had trouble even making the Cork team that was well beat by Donegal. You are severely over-rating the individual talent of Cork, their success came by way of an extraordinary breath of talent not eye-catchingly brilliant players.
The All-Star list in 2010 tells that story more accurately and clearly than any words ever could.
I'd take Sheehan and O'Neill. A tall rangy wing forward and a free scoring corner/14.
I'd argue that's it you who's underestimating the talent in Cork. If you're using All Star selections you are on shakey ground and many disagreed with that selection. As it happens I agreed with it as none of the Cork forwards were consistently good that year but neither the Gooch nor Bernard Brogan will be All Stars this year but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be on an Irish team. Goulding only struggled to make the team because of an injury lay off.
We could argue all night but most people would have those players in the mix. The point I'm making is nobody would have any of the Mayo full forward line in the mix. Only McLoughlin would probably be in conversations held the length of the country.
I would have to agree with Zulu on this
Cork have the best forward line outside of Kerry in terms of players with natural ability.
Colm O Neil and Ciaran Sheehan are prodigious talents,
Paul Kerrigan,Donncha O Connor,Daniel Goulding and Paddy Kelly are all among the top 20-25 forwards in the country.
When you add in, Pearse O Neil and Fintan Gould into the equation,there is an massive amount of talent and ability there.
What rubbish. If I'd achieved what Jim has I'd be well content with myself for sure though I don't know what your horseshit about boasting refers to.
Again, for the slow learners, I agree his achievements are notable but ulster is poor enough at the moment, Kerry never reached any great heights this year, Cork are hampered by Counihan and Mayo lack firepower. I'm not trying to undermine him I'm just pointing out it isn't the parting of the seas type stuff some, like you, are claiming.
The McGees, Murphy, McFadden, Kavanagh and Lacy would all have be highly regarded prior to this year and would have manys a team. What level McBrearty was it in 2010 is entirely irrelevant as we are discussing this years achievement and he was a notable addition to Donegal that previous managers didn't have.
Clare didnt win an All Ireland in 92 because they weren't good enough but Donegal were. Any manager who wins an AI has done a good job but Jim didn't win it with Waterford, which, by the way is a very apt comparison.
Before Jim McGuniness arrived Donegal hadn't won Ulster title since 1992 they never retain a title and only reached senior All Ireland final once before, Brian McEniff had two All Ireland U21 winning panels to chose from in 1992 McGuniness didn't have that choice and is arguably the best Donegal manager ever now.
I really don't think there's an argument at this point. He's almost surely the single best active football manager in the entire country right now to boot.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 26, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
Before Jim McGuniness arrived Donegal hadn't won Ulster title since 1992 they never retain a title and only reached senior All Ireland final once before, Brian McEniff had two All Ireland U21 winning panels to chose from in 1992 McGuniness didn't have that choice and is arguably the best Donegal manager ever now.
And ulster housed both Derry and Down during that period so winning back to back Ulsters was more difficult. It was also a more amature time so teams didn't refocus as well as they do now. It's very hard to compare managers or teams over time and McGuiness has won an AI which is all he can do. It's a magnificent achievement, if a little over stated IMO but I won't labour it anymore as it's just a matter of opinion rather than fact and I'd doubt any Donegal man cares either way.
Donegal won the AI and as Zulu said they won't care how but the system is based mostly on artisans that artists. There are very few "natural" footballers on the team and the system is tailored to suit that. The idea of retention of the ball at all costs means that they move the ball mostly via the hand. That is fine at the minute as the are currently fitter and stronger than anyone else. Once other teams reach that level of physical conditioning or return to it(I am looking directly at Cork and Dublin here) then the Donegal system will be swept aside under the current guise. While they do kick long sometimes into the FF line it is clear they are not comfortable with it and struggle with it.
It'll be interesting to see how Donegal fare next year. The majority of those players have put a savage effort in over the last 18 months, putting their free time on hold. You often find that the year after a breakthrough sees some injuries crippling key positions and a slight drop in intensity in defence. That's Jimmy's challenge now. Whether or not McGuinness can freshen the squad with players of a similar drive remains to be seen.
Struggle with it? Per attempt they have to have been the most successful team I've seen at long balls into the full-forward line. They used it very effectively this season.
And the idea that fitness is the difference is wildly inaccurate - Dublin clearly remain the single most well-trained team in the country. Donegal's success is from a coalescence of alot of different disciplines and to say they'll just be swept aside shows an incredible amount of arrogance and short-sightedness.
So many people are desperate to quantify things with generic statements - a team 'doesn't have natural footballers', 'they have unreal fitness', 'they have huge hunger'. You can be sure Big Jim wasn't spouting off many sentimental cliches when he was training the Donegal panel.
It's like trying to tell someone you've completed a jigsaw when you've only put two pieces together.
From hoganstand:
James Horan says Mayo will need to spend big if it is to end its All-Ireland famine.
Addressing supporters at last Sunday night's All-Ireland final banquet, the Mayo manager is quoted as saying in The Mayo News: "I think there's an important theme to take out of tonight, and for this year. For this team, and the group of players involved, it's only the start.
"As we said during the year, we got a lot of the inputs right and there's a lot we're getting right. But we've a huge amount of work to do.
"That amount of work requires resources and people pulling together. It requires county board, clubs, people on the ground, ye yourselves, to make sure that club football in Mayo, and inter-county football, gets the best set-up and the best structure that it can.
"If we want to be successful, to get Sam Maguire next year, there's a huge amount of investment needed. So it's important we don't fool ourselves.
"We made huge progress this year, and last year, but there's a lot more that needs to be done, and can be done. So, hopefully, with everyone pulling together, everyone facing the same way, this group of players staying together and improving themselves, their girlfriends and wives still giving us the same support, great things are still possible with this team."
Now, how on Earth are the county board going to raise this huge investment? I heard him on the way home on the bus myself. I have to say if he wants any more investment, he should take a look at his own tactics and players that are available to him. A lot of money was spent on the Mayo senior team alone this year.
What did you expect a senior manager to say? Please give us less money?
He could have left money out of the equation until some other time I think. That's my own opinion on the matter.
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2012, 09:42:10 PM
What rubbish. If I'd achieved what Jim has I'd be well content with myself for sure though I don't know what your horseshit about boasting refers to.
Again, for the slow learners, I agree his achievements are notable but ulster is poor enough at the moment, Kerry never reached any great heights this year, Cork are hampered by Counihan and Mayo lack firepower. I'm not trying to undermine him I'm just pointing out it isn't the parting of the seas type stuff some, like you, are claiming.
The McGees, Murphy, McFadden, Kavanagh and Lacy would all have be highly regarded prior to this year and would have manys a team. What level McBrearty was it in 2010 is entirely irrelevant as we are discussing this years achievement and he was a notable addition to Donegal that previous managers didn't have.
Clare didnt win an All Ireland in 92 because they weren't good enough but Donegal were. Any manager who wins an AI has done a good job but Jim didn't win it with Waterford, which, by the way is a very apt comparison.
jesus that's cringeworthy stuff, it's so easy to pick out the negative after the event and say kerry, cork, and mayo were shite. Dublin wouldn't have beat donegal either, and i happen to think this is a strong era for gootball, so that makes it a good all ireland.
And it was you who mentioned McBrearty , that was my point, you said he was available to Jim but not to managers before him.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2012, 11:48:37 PM
He could have left money out of the equation until some other time I think. That's my own opinion on the matter.
When the county is desperate to get back to that stage again after a big loss is the
perfect time to lobby for better funding. He was absolutely correct in using it as a forum to try and get investment for next season. If he didn't do it out of some un-written code then I'd think less of him. He's simply doing his job.
Quote from: Orchardman on September 26, 2012, 11:56:57 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2012, 09:42:10 PM
What rubbish. If I'd achieved what Jim has I'd be well content with myself for sure though I don't know what your horseshit about boasting refers to.
Again, for the slow learners, I agree his achievements are notable but ulster is poor enough at the moment, Kerry never reached any great heights this year, Cork are hampered by Counihan and Mayo lack firepower. I'm not trying to undermine him I'm just pointing out it isn't the parting of the seas type stuff some, like you, are claiming.
The McGees, Murphy, McFadden, Kavanagh and Lacy would all have be highly regarded prior to this year and would have manys a team. What level McBrearty was it in 2010 is entirely irrelevant as we are discussing this years achievement and he was a notable addition to Donegal that previous managers didn't have.
Clare didnt win an All Ireland in 92 because they weren't good enough but Donegal were. Any manager who wins an AI has done a good job but Jim didn't win it with Waterford, which, by the way is a very apt comparison.
jesus that's cringeworthy stuff, it's so easy to pick out the negative after the event and say kerry, cork, and mayo were shite. Dublin wouldn't have beat donegal either, and i happen to think this is a strong era for gootball, so that makes it a good all ireland.
And it was you who mentioned McBrearty , that was my point, you said he was available to Jim but not to managers before him.
Sorry, I didn't realise I was conversing with a complete idiot. I'll clarify, I didn't say any of those teams were poor but I'm on record as saying Cork need to get rid of Counihan, Mayo lack the forwards to win Sam and Kerry should have been beaten by Westmeath.
My point about McBrearty is this a better team than recent previous managers had as evidenced by the emergence of this young player. I would have thought that was clear to follow.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
From hoganstand:
James Horan says Mayo will need to spend big if it is to end its All-Ireland famine.
Addressing supporters at last Sunday night's All-Ireland final banquet, the Mayo manager is quoted as saying in The Mayo News: "I think there's an important theme to take out of tonight, and for this year. For this team, and the group of players involved, it's only the start.
"As we said during the year, we got a lot of the inputs right and there's a lot we're getting right. But we've a huge amount of work to do.
"That amount of work requires resources and people pulling together. It requires county board, clubs, people on the ground, ye yourselves, to make sure that club football in Mayo, and inter-county football, gets the best set-up and the best structure that it can.
"If we want to be successful, to get Sam Maguire next year, there's a huge amount of investment needed. So it's important we don't fool ourselves.
"We made huge progress this year, and last year, but there's a lot more that needs to be done, and can be done. So, hopefully, with everyone pulling together, everyone facing the same way, this group of players staying together and improving themselves, their girlfriends and wives still giving us the same support, great things are still possible with this team."
Now, how on Earth are the county board going to raise this huge investment? I heard him on the way home on the bus myself. I have to say if he wants any more investment, he should take a look at his own tactics and players that are available to him. A lot of money was spent on the Mayo senior team alone this year.
Care to expand? What players has he left out that could attract this huge investment?
You might agree with his tactics either, but do you think they're causing people to stop investing in Mayo football?
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2012, 11:21:24 PM
Struggle with it? Per attempt they have to have been the most successful team I've seen at long balls into the full-forward line. They used it very effectively this season.
And the idea that fitness is the difference is wildly inaccurate - Dublin clearly remain the single most well-trained team in the country. Donegal's success is from a coalescence of alot of different disciplines and to say they'll just be swept aside shows an incredible amount of arrogance and short-sightedness.
So many people are desperate to quantify things with generic statements - a team 'doesn't have natural footballers', 'they have unreal fitness', 'they have huge hunger'. You can be sure Big Jim wasn't spouting off many sentimental cliches when he was training the Donegal panel.
It's like trying to tell someone you've completed a jigsaw when you've only put two pieces together.
Why do you say that as a matter of interest? I would of thought that Donegal were fitter this year as were Kildare and maybe COrk too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
From hoganstand:
James Horan says Mayo will need to spend big if it is to end its All-Ireland famine.
Addressing supporters at last Sunday night's All-Ireland final banquet, the Mayo manager is quoted as saying in The Mayo News: "I think there's an important theme to take out of tonight, and for this year. For this team, and the group of players involved, it's only the start.
"As we said during the year, we got a lot of the inputs right and there's a lot we're getting right. But we've a huge amount of work to do.
"That amount of work requires resources and people pulling together. It requires county board, clubs, people on the ground, ye yourselves, to make sure that club football in Mayo, and inter-county football, gets the best set-up and the best structure that it can.
"If we want to be successful, to get Sam Maguire next year, there's a huge amount of investment needed. So it's important we don't fool ourselves.
"We made huge progress this year, and last year, but there's a lot more that needs to be done, and can be done. So, hopefully, with everyone pulling together, everyone facing the same way, this group of players staying together and improving themselves, their girlfriends and wives still giving us the same support, great things are still possible with this team."
Now, how on Earth are the county board going to raise this huge investment? I heard him on the way home on the bus myself. I have to say if he wants any more investment, he should take a look at his own tactics and players that are available to him. A lot of money was spent on the Mayo senior team alone this year.
thankfully someone else who has spotted this little nugget from Horan.
after the fiasco of the all-ireland tickets, corporate mayo wont be too happy with our esteemed county board and if they think they will get more money out of the clubs they have another thing coming. we are crippled as it is with affiliaition fee's. it is time someone shouted stop!
let the co board go off and get some decent money from elverys and maybe get off their holes and get Bruce Springsteen or someone (anyone) to play a gig in mchale park to at least put a dent in the debt they have.
until they do these things I for one will be telling them to shag off.
Quote from: prewtna on September 27, 2012, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
From hoganstand:
James Horan says Mayo will need to spend big if it is to end its All-Ireland famine.
Addressing supporters at last Sunday night's All-Ireland final banquet, the Mayo manager is quoted as saying in The Mayo News: "I think there's an important theme to take out of tonight, and for this year. For this team, and the group of players involved, it's only the start.
"As we said during the year, we got a lot of the inputs right and there's a lot we're getting right. But we've a huge amount of work to do.
"That amount of work requires resources and people pulling together. It requires county board, clubs, people on the ground, ye yourselves, to make sure that club football in Mayo, and inter-county football, gets the best set-up and the best structure that it can.
"If we want to be successful, to get Sam Maguire next year, there's a huge amount of investment needed. So it's important we don't fool ourselves.
"We made huge progress this year, and last year, but there's a lot more that needs to be done, and can be done. So, hopefully, with everyone pulling together, everyone facing the same way, this group of players staying together and improving themselves, their girlfriends and wives still giving us the same support, great things are still possible with this team."
Now, how on Earth are the county board going to raise this huge investment? I heard him on the way home on the bus myself. I have to say if he wants any more investment, he should take a look at his own tactics and players that are available to him. A lot of money was spent on the Mayo senior team alone this year.
thankfully someone else who has spotted this little nugget from Horan.
after the fiasco of the all-ireland tickets, corporate mayo wont be too happy with our esteemed county board and if they think they will get more money out of the clubs they have another thing coming. we are crippled as it is with affiliaition fee's. it is time someone shouted stop!
let the co board go off and get some decent money from elverys and maybe get off their holes and get Bruce Springsteen or someone (anyone) to play a gig in mchale park to at least put a dent in the debt they have.
until they do these things I for one will be telling them to shag off.
Were the chairman, secretary, PRO, etc in their current positions when the decision was taken to build McHale Park and put the county board in debt..... 'No' as far as i am aware. So i think its unfair to be grouping them with the current issues.
James is right ..... money is needed to bring the team to the next level (e.g.: why not 2 warm weather training camps) and no better time to shout.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2012, 11:48:37 PM
He could have left money out of the equation until some other time I think. That's my own opinion on the matter.
I'd say everyone that is involved with club football in Mayo feels the same way.
But the fact remains that huge investment is needed if the county is to win an All Ireland.
I have no ready answers but it's clear that the money needed can't be raised within Mayo.
I think prewtna is on the right track with his suggestion that McHale Park could be used for a concert- or maybe a couple of them.
It's case of having to think outside the box and coming up with forms of fundraising that don't put an extra burden the clubs. I'd say Club Mayo and the likes won't be able to come up with the extra readies needed either.
I think an unconventional approach is needed and here I am thinking of the Web.
There are tens of thousands of Mayo people scattered throughout the world and if a way of appealing to them can be found, most, if not all, the money needed could be found. I'm not so sure that another bleddy ticket draw is the way to go either. I'm up to my posterior with appeals to buy tickets for one cause or another and I imagine everyone who follows Mayo is in the same boat.
However, I'm confident that many, especially in the US, Australia and Britain would be willing to sign a direct debit mandate to pay over a few bob in their particular currencies. A fiver a month, more or less, shouldn't bankrupt anyone and it's a case of setting up a mandate and forgetting, more or less, about it.
Here, the power of the Web kicks in.
I'd ask the owners of every Mayo-related website to stick in a an appeal asking for debit donations.Some wouldn't but many more would be willing. An extra webpage won't cause any of them to crash and if the contents were to be composed by the CB or any other entity, the effort required would be minimal.
A direct appeal to some of the more popular sites to set the ball rolling, along with a request to other webmasters to join the cause, wouldn't cost anything and would be the fastest way of spreading the word.
I have a website (mayogodhelpus.com) and I'm pestered with requests from first and second generation Mayo heads to do their genealogy research for them. Knocking a few bob out of them would help cheer me up. Social history is my main interest and the rest of the site is badly in need of a revamp but, as I spend too much time on this site, this has been put on the hind tit.
However, I do have a relatively small but very interested bunch of history buffs and I'm fairly confident that I could get up to a dozen to cough up $5 or so per month for the cause.
I'd say Willie Joe, An Spailpin, Mick Hambly and others with popular sites (mayonews.ie etc.) could draw in a lot more.
There's feck all money and very little time or administrative hassle involved.
Anyone think this idea is a runner?
Strange turn of events...lads, an extra 300k in used tenners would not have stopped Murphy's goal. An extra man might have. Mayo looked like a pretty well prepared team to me. When coaches win, it's all good. When they lose, it's because they didn't get dessert after that national league game in March.
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Strange turn of events...lads, an extra 300k in used tenners would not have stopped Murphy's goal. An extra man might have. Mayo looked like a pretty well prepared team to me. When coaches win, it's all good. When they lose, it's because they didn't get dessert after that national league game in March.
From what i see, there seems to be a greater move toward semi-professionalism. Allot of players/manaers now a days can't be self employed. Either they have a public sector job, are an eternal student or expect to be sorted. I can't imagine how a player with a wife, young family and a resposible job can give so much of their free time. There is a constant raising of the bar and everybody is looking for the next guru that will give tham the edge. I doubt Horan is looking for more money, i'd say he's just trying to hold onto the budget that he already has.
The 'White Elephant' that is McHale Park is a proving to be one of the biggest mistakes of the county board. Far too big of a development was taken on for what was needed. It looks nice, but it will never justify being built. Bar the chance of a connacht final v Galway every 3/4 years (if you are lucky) which may attract a crowd, you'd be lucky to get 15k at a game v Sligo, Leitrim or Roscommon. As has been proven this year aslo that Hyde gets all the Back-door games.
I wouldn't like to see the bill for preparing the Donegal team this season!
Huge expense was went to with a large number of support staff (backroom team), as well as training camps etc.
When you win, it's great. But there's a big bill about to land on the doormat shortly.
OK, I will clarify. I was pretty much depressed and down when I was thinnking about the game and how it got away from us. I just think that putting Caff out in the corner, and Keane in on the edge of the square was an error. Also why didn't he bring on a sub earlier? Granted he put on 4 subs IIRC but the game was slipping away. He should have Richie Feeney on at half time in my opinion.
And as regards Lar Naparka's sentiments about having Mayos worldwide investing in the development of the team/McHale Park, well I for one thought Liam Horan brought that up in his Blueprint, ach sin scéal eile and I won't dwell on it now.
So how much investment do we put into Mayo seniors next year?
Lots being made of tactics, systems etc but don't forget imvho of course that it was a handling mistake from a ball that came off the post that handed Donegal their second goal and opened the gap beyond reach. No amount of money , class forwards, sweepers etc could have stopped that.
Just a quick comment from someone still relatively new to the sport.
I've followed the game properly for the last three seasons. In that time we've had six different teams make the final. And while Donegal were always in the driving seat, each final was compelling and exciting. Very refreshing in modern sport.
Watching from the UK I've seen more of Donegal than any other team (BBC NI) so I was please they triumphed. Their energy alone is something to behold! I watched the final in a pub so I couldn't hear the "expert" analysis, but I think Murphy's opening goal was as good as I've seen. Excellent catch and cracking finish.
Roll on next season..........................and County London's first Championship victory since before the old king died!
Quote from: Man of Kent on September 27, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Just a quick comment from someone still relatively new to the sport.
I've followed the game properly for the last three seasons. In that time we've had six different teams make the final. And while Donegal were always in the driving seat, each final was compelling and exciting. Very refreshing in modern sport.
Watching from the UK I've seen more of Donegal than any other team (BBC NI) so I was please they triumphed. Their energy alone is something to behold! I watched the final in a pub so I couldn't hear the "expert" analysis, but I think Murphy's opening goal was as good as I've seen. Excellent catch and cracking finish.
Roll on next season..........................and County London's first Championship victory since before the old king died!
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Quote from: Man of Kent on September 27, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Just a quick comment from someone still relatively new to the sport.
I've followed the game properly for the last three seasons. In that time we've had six different teams make the final. And while Donegal were always in the driving seat, each final was compelling and exciting. Very refreshing in modern sport.
Watching from the UK I've seen more of Donegal than any other team (BBC NI) so I was please they triumphed. Their energy alone is something to behold! I watched the final in a pub so I couldn't hear the "expert" analysis, but I think Murphy's opening goal was as good as I've seen. Excellent catch and cracking finish.
Roll on next season..........................and County London's first Championship victory since before the old king died!
Do you follow Club football in London? Suppose to be a decent standard and getting better with more Irish going over
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2012, 05:11:27 PM
OK, I will clarify. I was pretty much depressed and down when I was thinnking about the game and how it got away from us. I just think that putting Caff out in the corner, and Keane in on the edge of the square was an error. Also why didn't he bring on a sub earlier? Granted he put on 4 subs IIRC but the game was slipping away. He should have Richie Feeney on at half time in my opinion.
And as regards Lar Naparka's sentiments about having Mayos worldwide investing in the development of the team/McHale Park, well I for one thought Liam Horan brought that up in his Blueprint, ach sin scéal eile and I won't dwell on it now.
So how much investment do we put into Mayo seniors next year?
I think like myself and a lot of Mayos that I m talking to your getting more and more annoyed with the way things turned out as the days go by. Unlike some, a lot of us see very little to rescue from that game.
One thing I would not blame management for is putting Keane on Murphy. It was the match-up that I expected and the one that made most sense. I think you were in Ballyshannon where Murphy did a job on Cafferkey. Supposing Ger was marking Murphy and that goal happened what would the reaction be? Think about it. People would point out that it had happened before and we let it happen again.
Good look to them with getting more funding. People might dig deeper into their pockets if morale was a bit better. Morale cant be great with Mayos everywhere after last Sunday.
Anyway would more funding have prevented those 2 early goals or make our tactical approach much better. It s a shame we get so much right during the year and get caught cold when the stakes are at their highest. And it has to be said that this management got so much right last 2 years.
I don't live in London, so sadly not. But the general feeling seems to be that the game is getting stronger. The main issue this season seems to be getting the bloody games played with all the rain.
London have certainly improved in the brief time I've been watching. This season Leitrim should have been beaten and Antrim certainly could have been beaten! Both were lost. London need to learn how to get over the line! I think that last season's captain , Sean McVeigh (an Antrim man?) has returned to Ireland. He'll be a big loss to Londain and I'm sure he would make the Antrim panel next season.
As for club football, I would like to watch some but I'm a victim of geography.
Quote from: Man of Kent on September 27, 2012, 09:58:49 PM
I don't live in London, so sadly not. But the general feeling seems to be that the game is getting stronger. The main issue this season seems to be getting the bloody games played with all the rain.
London have certainly improved in the brief time I've been watching. This season Leitrim should have been beaten and Antrim certainly could have been beaten! Both were lost. London need to learn how to get over the line! I think that last season's captain , Sean McVeigh (an Antrim man?) has returned to Ireland. He'll be a big loss to Londain and I'm sure he would make the Antrim panel next season.
As for club football, I would like to watch some but I'm a victim of geography.
You do realise London
beat Fermanagh only last year, right?
Yes moysider. That first paragraph in your last post is me down to a tee. Fair enough, I was in Ballyshannon too and Caff got a roasting, but I can't help but think he would be ready for him this time. We'll never know now as the damage is done.
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Man of Kent on September 27, 2012, 09:58:49 PM
I don't live in London, so sadly not. But the general feeling seems to be that the game is getting stronger. The main issue this season seems to be getting the bloody games played with all the rain.
London have certainly improved in the brief time I've been watching. This season Leitrim should have been beaten and Antrim certainly could have been beaten! Both were lost. London need to learn how to get over the line! I think that last season's captain , Sean McVeigh (an Antrim man?) has returned to Ireland. He'll be a big loss to Londain and I'm sure he would make the Antrim panel next season.
As for club football, I would like to watch some but I'm a victim of geography.
You do realise London beat Fermanagh only last year, right?
Yes i'm fully aware of that win. The first in 30 something years! But it was a qualifier, they need to win a Connaught Championship game!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
Yes moysider. That first paragraph in your last post is me down to a tee. Fair enough, I was in Ballyshannon too and Caff got a roasting, but I can't help but think he would be ready for him this time. We'll never know now as the damage is done.
Yeah. We ll never know.
But Caff or Keane picking Murphy up - no way should either have been isolated 1 on 1 with no cover. And us playing a flat 3 the far side. Ultimately that set-up handed Donegal the match without ever creating a proper contest imo. Catch-up football is not going to work at this level. And it s no joke/ coincidence/ voodoo/ priest curse, that this continues to happen. No sports psychos can compensate for a bit of savvy. Where are we vulnerable and where will the enemy strike( get Murphy 1 on 1)? Where are we strong and where will they try to limit that damage by attacking our strengths (think Dillon and McLoughlin)? Where were we overstaffed and needed cover elsewhere( 3 man ff line played into Donegals hands)?
I m sure there s Mayos out there disgusted about being negative about this. I may have missed something looking into my horrible negative soup. But can anybody see how we actually did anything creative/tactical to try and win that match? Of course the players burst themselves. They had too to make it respectable. But we needed more than effort and we were well out-thought .
So far, apart from maybe Dara O Sé, I ve seen, the rest of the press seem to be giving us an easy ride. We battled on in a war we lost early.
In 2010 Cork needed extra time to get past limerick were lucky to beat Dublin in semi final and only won the final by single point. That All Ireland win didn't suggest any dominance. Donegal's turnaround happened after this game two years ago http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/clarke-shines-as-armagh-dismiss-dreadful-donegal-2236758.html they are now the best in Ireland and will be the team to beat next year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss. - Agree, but we got through the Dublin game without him and we could have won last sunday without him. He wasn't the winning and the losing of the game.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right. - No, nothing against the lad but he had his day, we can no longer carry him for his frees. His contribution from open play was always papered over by the frees.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him. - Keegan and Boyle are both superior wing backs and I felt his loss was not felt. I was hugely happy with the progress these two lads made this year. Our problem was No. 6- numerous turnovers and silly frees, unacceptable at the highes level. O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier. - Agreed.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle. He still had a good year and his problem is mobility rather than bulK.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal. Hype Skype
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish. On closer analysis, the first 6 donegal attacks yielded 4 scores and a great save. Our naivety was shown up again. Down scored a goal and Clarke made a good save and Dublin hit the Crossbar and at least one goal chance in the first 10 minutes of both games. We have been slow starters all year.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo. "I don't know about that"
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity. -The last 20 minutes of the 1st half was unreal. we got 6 scores from at least 5 turnovers. I felt we couldn't keep it up in the second half without changes from the line"
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season. - I don't buy that, losing a semi final would in my opinion create more doubt than losing a final.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals. - Aye, for that reason alone, we missed Andy Moran.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start. I think you hit the anil on the head. It took a bigger effort for them to get out from behind the 21 than the 45 and that is why in the last 20 minutes of hte first half we turned them over. In the seocnd half we lost our shape somewhat and we gave cheaper ball away further out the field
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year! - Ditto, it was a good season and we improved after every game. We have 10 - 12 players as good as anyone in the country. We need to look at No. 6, 11 & 13 for 2013 if progress is to be made.
Quote from: moysider on September 27, 2012, 11:47:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
Yes moysider. That first paragraph in your last post is me down to a tee. Fair enough, I was in Ballyshannon too and Caff got a roasting, but I can't help but think he would be ready for him this time. We'll never know now as the damage is done.
Yeah. We ll never know.
But Caff or Keane picking Murphy up - no way should either have been isolated 1 on 1 with no cover. And us playing a flat 3 the far side. Ultimately that set-up handed Donegal the match without ever creating a proper contest imo. Catch-up football is not going to work at this level. And it s no joke/ coincidence/ voodoo/ priest curse, that this continues to happen. No sports psychos can compensate for a bit of savvy. Where are we vulnerable and where will the enemy strike( get Murphy 1 on 1)? Where are we strong and where will they try to limit that damage by attacking our strengths (think Dillon and McLoughlin)? Where were we overstaffed and needed cover elsewhere( 3 man ff line played into Donegals hands)?
I m sure there s Mayos out there disgusted about being negative about this. I may have missed something looking into my horrible negative soup. But can anybody see how we actually did anything creative/tactical to try and win that match? Of course the players burst themselves. They had too to make it respectable. But we needed more than effort and we were well out-thought .
So far, apart from maybe Dara O Sé, I ve seen, the rest of the press seem to be giving us an easy ride. We battled on in a war we lost early.
I thought that Dara O'Shea's article was fair enough to Mayo.
He did highlight Donegal's tactics at the free taking,I thought myself that they were nearly on top of the free taker who was forced to hit the ball high into the air to get it over the Donegal cover.
If a team get the advantage of a free ,they should be allowed to take it without all the messing going on.
Quote from O'Shea's article -:
Donegal's level of detail is incredible. They plan everything down to the last thought, including their tactic on Sunday of having four men stand in front of the man lining up a free and having Michael Murphy break from the line and run away just as he's about to kick it.
The idea is to catch the free-taker's eye and put him off. It might only work one out of four times but in a tight game, that's enough.
QuoteThe idea is to catch the free-taker's eye and put him off. It might only work one out of four times but in a tight game, that's enough.
Jaysus, that's a very old one - in Larryland anyway. There was this young fellah from Granard (whose name escapes me - Shamrock Shore/Laureleye??) who was lethal at it, and got many's the thump for his troubles (usually after the match).
More cynically, the best method is to make a run off to the side of the kicker (in his peripheral vision, rather than in the direct line of the goal), it's thought to be more distracting and thus more effective.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 28, 2012, 01:20:05 PM
QuoteThe idea is to catch the free-taker's eye and put him off. It might only work one out of four times but in a tight game, that's enough.
Jaysus, that's a very old one - in Larryland anyway. There was this young fellah from Granard (whose name escapes me - Shamrock Shore/Laureleye??) who was lethal at it, and got many's the thump for his troubles (usually after the match).
More cynically, the best method is to make a run off to the side of the kicker (in his peripheral vision, rather than in the direct line of the goal), it's thought to be more distracting and thus more effective.
It's not particularly sporting . Another notch against Donegal to go with Jimmy doing omerta.
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 28, 2012, 01:20:05 PM
QuoteThe idea is to catch the free-taker's eye and put him off. It might only work one out of four times but in a tight game, that's enough.
Jaysus, that's a very old one - in Larryland anyway. There was this young fellah from Granard (whose name escapes me - Shamrock Shore/Laureleye??) who was lethal at it, and got many's the thump for his troubles (usually after the match).
More cynically, the best method is to make a run off to the side of the kicker (in his peripheral vision, rather than in the direct line of the goal), it's thought to be more distracting and thus more effective.
It's not particularly sporting . Another notch against Donegal to go with Jimmy doing omerta.
Donegal are not the only ones, and they stood by for years as other teams stretched the rules. But as with all of Donegal's other supposed and singular transgressions over the past 18 months, the GAA can easily change the rules if something is a problem.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Think you're being harsh on Mayo. There's no way they were going to maintain their second quarter performance after half time. Personally, I was pretty confident of winning once we got to half time still three points up. McGuinness has repeatedly shown his ability to address problems at halftime and there's no way Donegal were going to be as poor in the second half.
Quote from: J70 on September 28, 2012, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 28, 2012, 01:20:05 PM
QuoteThe idea is to catch the free-taker's eye and put him off. It might only work one out of four times but in a tight game, that's enough.
Jaysus, that's a very old one - in Larryland anyway. There was this young fellah from Granard (whose name escapes me - Shamrock Shore/Laureleye??) who was lethal at it, and got many's the thump for his troubles (usually after the match).
More cynically, the best method is to make a run off to the side of the kicker (in his peripheral vision, rather than in the direct line of the goal), it's thought to be more distracting and thus more effective.
It's not particularly sporting . Another notch against Donegal to go with Jimmy doing omerta.
Donegal are not the only ones, and they stood by for years as other teams stretched the rules. But as with all of Donegal's other supposed and singular transgressions over the past 18 months, the GAA can easily change the rules if something is a problem.
As you say there will be repercussions when '
nice' teams like Donegal and Mayo get cynical. You can't have the '
nice' teams joining the rest.
Quote from: J70 on September 28, 2012, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Think you're being harsh on Mayo. There's no way they were going to maintain their second quarter performance after half time. Personally, I was pretty confident of winning once we got to half time still three points up. McGuinness has repeatedly shown his ability to address problems at halftime and there's no way Donegal were going to be as poor in the second half.
I'd disagree, our three wides on the trot and missed free came early in the third quarter. If we'd nailed them, while not necassarily meaning we'd have won it, it definitely would've made the finish a lot more interesting. I said in an earlier post that I thought Mayo's strongest spells throughout the c'ship have all been in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, while our defence tended to push higher up the pitch to force turnovers closer to the opposition goals. I still reckon McGuinness set out to exploit our slow first quarter and the space we leave at the back. Against Dublin and Down we did the same, go one on one in the full back line but with half backs and one midfielder(AOS primarily) covering back as the ball came in. Even for Murphy's goal Higgins was coming in to support Keane but didn't get back quick enough.
Very little seems to have been said of our strong points throughout the championship. We have definitely improved physically although it's still a work in progress. Our workrate and tackling, to quote from some media analysts, was ferocious at times, leading to us utterly dominating for long periods in some matches. Some of our play has been excellent, we ran up big scores. Our footpassing this year I thought was particularly good, Higgins, McLoughlin, AOS and Dillon provided some excellent deliveries with the boot this summer, a lot more than I'd seen previously. Tactically at times management were very good, coming up with a system to compensate for the loss of Andy Moran was the high point. I'm wondering how much of a factor O'Neill was in our play this year, I think his loss is huge just from continuity point of view. However they could have reacted a bit quicker at times to developing situations ie not funnelling men back when Dublin were coming back in the semi, they could've done the same after Murphy's first goal until the team settled, slow to bring on Feeney considering the impact he had and moving AOS to FF just showed of desparation. The upward graph needs to be kept going next year and mistakes need to be learned from, if we don't step it up again next summer I'd be afraid we might stagnate.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
Burrishoole, Parke, Kilmaine and Charlestown, in the intermediate this weekend suppose would be games that should be looked at if any of the selectors have the stomach for it.
Those lads who made out Tubs'd never have Donegal on like Dublin last year must be feeling pretty embarrassed now.
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
What happened to Cathal Freeman? Could he be our shining light?
Pearce Hanley, come on home !! Sadly, can't see it happening.
I'm shocked at Moysiders stat .... had missed that.
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
Not that remarkable Mayo lost that semi final by nine points to a Kerry side that weren't good enough to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 28, 2012, 09:41:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
What happened to Cathal Freeman? Could he be our shining light?
He broke his leg - badly. His bother died in Australia in a crash. He came back and played a couple of FBD games and I thought he did well - but I was in the minority. I d love to see him get a run at it again because he s class.
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
Not that remarkable Mayo lost that semi final by nine points to a Kerry side that weren't good enough to win the All Ireland.
;D ;D ;D ;D Captain, your a gas man for deliberately missing the point.
For arguements sake, Kerry were good enough to win the AI but got caught.
My point is that we ve had to grow up very quickly( we had 2 matches in 2010 champ. Sligo and Longford).
Then we ve had massive change from being a last 4 team to last 2 team in 1 year.
On the other hand teams like Cork, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone (including Tyrone) etc. have much less turnover. Apparently 11 of Donegals starters last weekend took a bit of a hiding v Armagh same evening Mayo lost to Longford in 2010!
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
I was thinking of Evan Regan, Danny Kirby and - controversial one this - Tom Parsons. I can't believe that it's all over for Parsons. Maybe he's not interested and that's fair enough, but it seems a terrible pity to me. I'm sure there are others.
Not Conor, though. If he doesn't want to play it'd be terrible to make him. We all thank him for his service. He owes Mayo nothing.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 28, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Just a few thoughts.......
Andy Moran was a big loss.
(I hate to say it But) Conor Mortimer was a big loss for frees from the right.
Trevor Mortimer was also a loss this year, the game on Sunday would have suited him.
O'Sea was not 100% and we've only got 50 minutes max from him this championship, games are won in the last 20 minutes.
Seamie, Ritchie and Gibbons should have entered the frey earlier.
Barry Moran needs to bulk up, midfield is about muscle.
We had little or no hype in Mayo, there was less pressure on Mayo compared to Donegal.
We in reality were beaten by the second goal, although fortunate McFadden still had to be there and finish.
Brollys mid week comments influenced the referees handling of the game, yellow card wise for Mayo.
We easily matched Donegals (well over-hyped) intensity.
With injuries, players coming back from injuries, squad development, we probably got a stage too far this season.
We need to score goals. None against Dublin, Sligo or Donegal. Games that we needed goals.
Horan had most of his tactics spot on on Sunday, when we settled we pushed Donegal back. Although we were hit and miss with the long ball into the Donegal backline, we went over their blanket defence and when they retained possession they were further back than if they won at the 45 or half way line, this put more work on their running game. The problem for Horan was the 7 point start.
Strangely, I'm looking forward to next year!
I'm not so sure it was the second goal so much as the failure to keep the pressure up at the start of the second half. But who knows - there are loads of reasons and it's just a question of how they combine. Be interesting to see who steps up to claim a jersey next year.
Anybody in mind Iolar? Thought myself that we could have blooded a few young fellas more this year. I suspect that if we get back to Croke Park again next August there will be a few changes. Only 8 of 2011 semi v Kerry started last Sunday s AI final. That in itself is a remarkable stat. Wouldn t expect as much again. 2/3 new starters maybe.
I was thinking of Evan Regan, Danny Kirby and - controversial one this - Tom Parsons. I can't believe that it's all over for Parsons. Maybe he's not interested and that's fair enough, but it seems a terrible pity to me. I'm sure there are others.
Not Conor, though. If he doesn't want to play it'd be terrible to make him. We all thank him for his service. He owes Mayo nothing.
I have to say I was annoyed that we ended up with the 15 we did. But when you think about it, how can you make 10 changes in a year and get to an AI final. Kerry and Kilkenny don t do that.
Sorry to bring it up but our frequent escapades into ill-judgement management appointments leave us doing an awful lot of catching-up to do. The fact that we got to a semi and a final in the 2 years after the Johnno era is one of the best recoveries in sporting history!
I d say Horan is a frustrated man. A lot of rebuilding in a short space of time.
Boyle and Conroy had been sent to the knackers yard. Others like Kilcoyne, Devenney and Parsons were not brought on either in 06-10 years.
Quote from: blast05 on September 28, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
With the draw Mayo got this year it wasn't much of surprise they reached the All Ireland final and Moysider apparently Donegal weren't winning matches before Jim McGuinness arrived.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 28, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
With the draw Mayo got this year it wasn't much of surprise they reached the All Ireland final and Moysider apparently Donegal weren't winning matches before Jim McGuinness arrived.
Remember Donegal were on the opposite side of the draw last year and they did not make the final.
Quote from: hardstation on September 28, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
Go on Donegal!!!!
Back from the pub HS? I suppose you have to jump on some bandwagon! ;)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 28, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
With the draw Mayo got this year it wasn't much of surprise they reached the All Ireland final and Moysider apparently Donegal weren't winning matches before Jim McGuinness arrived.
Is there no end to you Obviuos. Donegal had a team before Jimmy started winning matches. Whatever JohnJoe did or did nt do he apparently had the better players in county aboard.
Horan had nothing in comparison.
We've a good few options to try out next year in the league. Cathal Freeman was away in America for the summer so he missed out on club championship so don't know how his form is at the moment. But he was good at underage and has good vision. Danny Kirby is a big strong lad and can be played in midfield, centre forward or full forward. I'd like to see Evan Regan feature a bit in the league but he needs to bulk up a bit. Tom Parsons has the same injury as Aidan O'Shea had earlier in the year but stilled hasn't recovered. Also we have Alan freeman and Jason Doherty who have the potential but can they produce it?
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 28, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
With the draw Mayo got this year it wasn't much of surprise they reached the All Ireland final and Moysider apparently Donegal weren't winning matches before Jim McGuinness arrived.
Is there no end to you Obviuos. Donegal had a team before Jimmy started winning matches. Whatever JohnJoe did or did nt do he apparently had the better players in county aboard.
Horan had nothing in comparison.
Or McGuinness kept faith with the same players Horan didn't?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2012, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 28, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 28, 2012, 09:59:03 PM
Captain Obvious ... changing 8 players not that surprising but to get to an All-Ireland final with that amount of change is.
With the draw Mayo got this year it wasn't much of surprise they reached the All Ireland final and Moysider apparently Donegal weren't winning matches before Jim McGuinness arrived.
Is there no end to you Obviuos. Donegal had a team before Jimmy started winning matches. Whatever JohnJoe did or did nt do he apparently had the better players in county aboard.
Horan had nothing in comparison.
Or McGuinness kept faith with the same players Horan didn't?
You re tenacious. I knew that anyway.
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can some kind mayo creator, technophile enough start a thread where some fellow mayo might vent some primal screams of rage/fury.ffffffffffffffff
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
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I only regard this pitiful excuse of a so called player as a spiteful little gobshite now. I'm not surprised that the Daily Mail allow his hack journalism, that's the low standard they work to. But why RTE pay this sorry individual as an analyst is beyond me as he never analyses, all he does is criticise and direct abuse and insults at players, pretty much at a personal level. The Sunday Game and its production staff are guilty of allowing it to become a vehicle for his standard of gutter broadcasting, the players, fans and TV licence payers deserve far better.
The sad thing is that the more he writes this sort of muck the more suckers buy and read. God help anyone who would spend €2 on The 'Irish' ;D Mail on Sunday. I'd insult his native county, but that would be joining Joe in his high standards of belittling amateur players. The easiest thing to do with some like Brolly is to hit him where it hurts, his pocket. RTE heavily depend on Sponsorship and if you decide on mass to boycott a product associated with the Sunday Game. RTE won't be long to make a move!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
The table cloth is worse than the headline.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Londonderry p***k.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2012, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Londonderry p***k.
And you are a bigger one getting worked up about him and coming out with that shite. Typical blueshirt logic. Dr. Stroke and Francis Fitzgerald make a decent fist of it compared to your tripe.
One thing I must say in Joe's defence is that he speaks out what I'd safely say 99.9% of people are saying in other counties about Mayo at the minute. Which is rather unfortunate.
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
Ah Jaysus, that's what it is. Brolly probably got us banned from finals after we got stuffed in '89.
b**tard.
I wonder when he got Derry banned.
Thing is hardstation, we got stuffed by Kerry in 04 and 06, so he didn't get us banned yet. We put up a just about credible performance after the first 10 minutes the last day.
I see that the sub heading on Brolly's Column says 'A view from above'. He must see himself as some God like character looking down on these mere football amateur mortals.
Quote from: spuds on September 30, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2012, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Londonderry p***k.
And you are a bigger one getting worked up about him and coming out with that shite. Typical blueshirt logic. Dr. Stroke and Francis Fitzgerald make a decent fist of it compared to your tripe.
So what? Mayo people are saying worse. And from what I m hearing the players know they messed up big time too.
Bottom line is that we got sawed once again even before the game settled down. Not surprised a gobby like Brolly (nice rhyme ;)) goes to town. Plenty local Mayos doin it as well. We all know we calved again.
To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both
looks like carelessness. Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest, 1895, We ve been responsible for losing many parents/Sams by carelessness ( call it what you like) down the years.
Instead of worrying about the likes of Brolly, we need to cop the f**k on and not be so brittle.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 30, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
I see that the sub heading on Brolly's Column says 'A view from above'. He must see himself as some God like character looking down on these mere football amateur mortals.
Maybe he thinks North means Up.
This is dead interesting by the way the post match thread is breaking down - right to the point where a Declan Bogue type character/don't care whose family is damaged but not mine /(investigative)tout/mé féiner/just typical of the profession/must destroy people to feed my family has also offended Maigh Eo people.
Out of interest - Farrandeelin and all the Maigh Eo ones with humour - if youse live in/near a Gaeltacht area ie Maigh Eo - we're on the one road here - where did youse go to stay in the Gaeltacht during the summer when we were all i nDún na nGall like everyone else? Always wondered this. By their different accents when speaking Irish the Dubs all seemed to have been in Ros Muc. No béal bocht stuff anseo - just tell us the craic.
Quote from: moysider on October 01, 2012, 12:05:53 AM
So what? Mayo people are saying worse. And from what I m hearing the players know they messed up big time too.
Bottom line is that we got sawed once again even before the game settled down. Not surprised a gobby like Brolly (nice rhyme ;)) goes to town. Plenty local Mayos doin it as well. We all know we calved again.
To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both
looks like carelessness. Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest, 1895,
We ve been responsible for losing many parents/Sams by carelessness ( call it what you like) down the years.
Instead of worrying about the likes of Brolly, we need to cop the f**k on and not be so brittle.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on all counts.
Brolly has made an art form of gobshitery and innuendo but he can be right at times also.
I'm selectively quoting from him here:
"He's a classic Mayo forward. (Dillon)
Lacking steel, he goes well when the team goes well, invariably when they are huge underdogs--as they were against the Dubs this year and in 2006.
The excuse given last weekend was that Karl Lacey wa smarking him. In truth, Lacey didn't mark him at all, ignoring him for much of the game as he surged forward instead."
-------------------
"The conundrum Mayo needs to solve is this: Why is it that all Mayo forwards, with the honourable exception of Kevin McLoughlin, conform to this craven stereotype? Why do they flop when they are most needed?
It's a pity that this is so, since Mayo's forwards have always been highly skilled footballers."
I'm afraid I have to agree with all of that. I think Dillon had a good game, where a great game was needed. In the absence of Andy, he is the mainspring of the Mayo attack.
It would be very unfair to dump all the blame on Alan as no one else seemed willing and able to muck in and lead by example but Mayo forwards don't do goals and goals win games.
I am not qualified to know if Horan got his match ups right or not when he put Keane on Murphy and Caff on McFadden. Some of you say Horan got it right.
That's going by what happened in Ballyshannon in the league and when Murphy was playing further out from goal. Why wasn't a sweeper used to help Caff and Keane out when it was obvious that Donegal were changing their normal gameplan and had moved Murphy and McFadden forward? Both backs did quite well when they switched over but by then the damage had been done.
But when O'Shea was thrown in to the edge of the square in the dying minutes, McGuinness pulled a man to double mark him. I've never questioned Horan's judgement before but I'd say he is having flashbacks now- same as the players. "If only..." me arse!
What's done is done and it's back to dreaming and hoping for next year.
Quote from: moysider on October 01, 2012, 12:05:53 AM
Quote from: spuds on September 30, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2012, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Londonderry p***k.
And you are a bigger one getting worked up about him and coming out with that shite. Typical blueshirt logic. Dr. Stroke and Francis Fitzgerald make a decent fist of it compared to your tripe.
So what? Mayo people are saying worse. And from what I m hearing the players know they messed up big time too.
Bottom line is that we got sawed once again even before the game settled down. Not surprised a gobby like Brolly (nice rhyme ;)) goes to town. Plenty local Mayos doin it as well. We all know we calved again.
To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both
looks like carelessness. Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest, 1895,
We ve been responsible for losing many parents/Sams by carelessness ( call it what you like) down the years.
Instead of worrying about the likes of Brolly, we need to cop the f**k on and not be so brittle.
Its beyond me why anyone would bother lining out on a Mayo team when this is the kind of shite they have to listen to from so called "supporters"
Is Brolly's atricle on line anywhere?
Lads do any of you know how newspapers work? If you think Brolly comes up with headlines or a line like "view from the top" you're off your heads!!
Here's the article that was in the Derry journal which I imagine is roughly similar to that posted in the Daily Mail:
http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-sam-changes-nothing-jimmy-s-winning-matches-1-4313160
Quote from: drici on October 01, 2012, 02:00:35 AM
This is dead interesting by the way the post match thread is breaking down - right to the point where a Declan Bogue type character/don't care whose family is damaged but not mine /(investigative)tout/mé féiner/just typical of the profession/must destroy people to feed my family has also offended Maigh Eo people.
Out of interest - Farrandeelin and all the Maigh Eo ones with humour - if youse live in/near a Gaeltacht area ie Maigh Eo - we're on the one road here - where did youse go to stay in the Gaeltacht during the summer when we were all i nDún na nGall like everyone else? Always wondered this. By their different accents when speaking Irish the Dubs all seemed to have been in Ros Muc. No béal bocht stuff anseo - just tell us the craic.
drici, ní dheachaigh mé go dtí aon Gaeltacht agus mise i mo dhéagóirí. Chuaigh mé ar feadh dhá coicíse nuair a bhí mé ag déanamh staidéar ar an mbunmúinteoireacht, ach sin é. Tá an méid Gaeilge foghlamtha agam agus mé i Rang a 4/5/6. Bhain mé taitneamh aistí agus tá an-ghrá agam don Ghaeilge inniu chomh maith.
However, I would imagine all the Dubs going to 'Irish college' alright in Conamara.
Quote from: spuds on September 30, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 30, 2012, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Londonderry p***k.
And you are a bigger one getting worked up about him and coming out with that shite. Typical blueshirt logic. Dr. Stroke and Francis Fitzgerald make a decent fist of it compared to your tripe.
I actually despise the term, but I think its appropriate in his case. Writing for the Daily Fail Rule Brittania Gutter-rag makes the "London" appropriate in my mind, that and he is a hateful gobshite.
(Also, still a little sore about the loss, might not be mature but still thats the way it is)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 30, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
For a man who played inter county football and should know the levels of commitment required and lads put it, to come out with this shite is despicable >:(
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229937_4308875693712_1910731843_n.jpg)
Hardly a surprise. Keep your two euro in your pocket next time
I've more sense than that to buy the Mail in fairness! Got the picture off twitter
Quote from: screenexile on October 01, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
Lads do any of you know how newspapers work? If you think Brolly comes up with headlines or a line like "view from the top" you're off your heads!!
Here's the article that was in the Derry journal which I imagine is roughly similar to that posted in the Daily Mail:
http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-sam-changes-nothing-jimmy-s-winning-matches-1-4313160
Mayo fans on twitter have posted the key points of Brolly's article on the Daily Mail.
- Game was over after 10mins & 4 point win for Donegal is like 10 point win for any other team
- If Mayo were to reach the final again,the losing Semi finalists should go instead of them to save shame on Mayo
- Mayo should be rewarded a team holiday if they reach the All Ireland cause they would keep their dignity and that it will save the GAA more embarrassment of another losing final for Mayo
-- If the team psychologist Kieran Shannon stays with them any longer,he will need psychological services himself
As always Joe feeds off the reaction of others the question is does he really believe most of the stuff he writes?
Quote from: ross4life on October 01, 2012, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 01, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
Lads do any of you know how newspapers work? If you think Brolly comes up with headlines or a line like "view from the top" you're off your heads!!
Here's the article that was in the Derry journal which I imagine is roughly similar to that posted in the Daily Mail:
http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-sam-changes-nothing-jimmy-s-winning-matches-1-4313160
Mayo fans on twitter have posted the key points of Brolly's article on the Daily Mail.
- Game was over after 10mins & 4 point win for Donegal is like 10 point win for any other team
- If Mayo were to reach the final again,the losing Semi finalists should go instead of them to save shame on Mayo
- Mayo should be rewarded a team holiday if they reach the All Ireland cause they would keep their dignity and that it will save the GAA more embarrassment of another losing final for Mayo
-- If the team psychologist Kieran Shannon stays with them any longer,he will need psychological services himself
As always Joe feeds off the reaction of others the question is does he really believe most of the stuff he writes?
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "
There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"
In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also,
"In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"
Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
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I think he meant that the Mayo posters have posted the main points of Brolly's article, on twitter. Someone was asking could they get it online but the gist of it has already been tweeted out by them. Presumably with things like - 'The p***k' appended :D
Brolly brought Kerry and Colm Coopers character into question earlier in the summer, we're in good company. If Brolly posted on here he would be considered a WUM and ignored.
If the rumours about Donegals performance are true
it gives a whole new meaning to "bringing new blood
into the team"!!!.
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
If the rumours about Donegals performance are true
it gives a whole new meaning to "bringing new blood
into the team"!!!.
i suppose we all have to get our kicks
but I'll stick with the '11 sessions a week trainin'g excuse for Donegal being fitter than any other county in the country
Quote from: FL/MAYO on October 02, 2012, 01:23:42 PM
Brolly brought Kerry and Colm Coopers character into question earlier in the summer, we're in good company. If Brolly posted on here he would be considered a WUM and ignored.
Exactly and he had a go at Cork last year just before they demolished Down. The man just has a problem. I would have some respect for him if he had any real conviction in what he says but remember how flustered he was when challenged by Pat Spillane on the Sunday game this year over his Kerry/Gooch Cooper remarks. It was a sure sign of a serious self confidence problem they way he he blubbered and tried to back track immediately. Contrast this with say Liam Hayes who, love him or hate him at least stands over his comments no matter how crazy they may seem. I suppose this is why he has aimed both barrels at Mayo for the moment because he can hide behind our piss poor record in finals without fear of any public challenge Ala Spillane but this still doesn't mask the serious issues he has himself which no doubt will come to light again due to his inability to keep his head down.
Quote from: sans pessimism on October 02, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
If the rumours about Donegals performance are true
it gives a whole new meaning to "bringing new blood
into the team"!!!.
Sure that rumour is an old one. I can remember the same thing being said about Loughnane's Clare team after the demolished Tipperary in a replay in the Munster championship in 98 or 99 I think. If there is any truth I'd say they would want to get a new blood Doc for next year because apart from their full back line they hardly overpowered any of our lads :P.I Remember O'Shea bouncing a good few of them to the ground during the game ;D
Does anyone know if any other journalist/ pundit who has accused Mayo of using cynical fouling as deliberate policy?
With regard to the 'new blood' allegations, rumours like this have been flying about for a long time about successful teams. For instance, Armagh were accused of steroid abuse when they won in 2002.
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Does anyone know if any other journalist/ pundit who has accused Mayo of using cynical fouling as deliberate policy?
With regard to the 'new blood' allegations, rumours like this have been flying about for a long time about successful teams. For instance, Armagh were accused of steroid abuse when they won in 2002.
For a long long time it seems, found this on another forum. You couldnt be up to them Donegal feckers...http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056715235
''There is Giraldus Cambrensis' hearsay claim about the inauguration rite of Cenall Conaill, in Donegal.
It is hearsay, because GC never went to Donegal.
It was alleged that Conaill copulated with a white mare which was then slaughtered and the blood consumed by the new king. ''
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
I'm only longing for a return of the days when we used to put ye in lots of misery ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
I'm only longing for a return of the days when we used to put ye in lots of misery ;D
If any consolation to you it's still full of misery for us going from Frenchpark to Athlone. ;)
Quote from: spuds on October 02, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
I'm only longing for a return of the days when we used to put ye in lots of misery ;D
If any consolation to you it's still full of misery for us going from Frenchpark to Athlone. ;)
Our County starts west of Ballagh ;) and you could always go around by Galway and Limerick if you want to avoid us :-* :P
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: spuds on October 02, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
I'm only longing for a return of the days when we used to put ye in lots of misery ;D
If any consolation to you it's still full of misery for us going from Frenchpark to Athlone. ;)
Our County starts west of Ballagh ;) and you could always go around by Galway and Limerick if you want to avoid us :-* :P
We'll leave the Qualifier route to ye Rossies ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also, "In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
Whilst Brolly no doubt is being his usual antagonistic self what he possibly fails to mention in his analysis actually goes further. You say he didnt mention the rally by Mayo and the fact that they got it back to 3 and but for some wayward shooting maybe would have been closer at HT. What he also omitted was that Donegal won this playing at maybe 75-80%. I believe there was plenty more in the tank had Mayo have turned the screw.
Quote from: spuds on October 02, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Now that the draws for the 2013 Championships are about to be made is it not time to put this thread to bed? :-X
Well said and fair play, I didn't expect a Rossie to be the one to end our Misery (for this year anyway) ;)
I'm only longing for a return of the days when we used to put ye in lots of misery ;D
If any consolation to you it's still full of misery for us going from Frenchpark to Athlone. ;)
Is the Westmeath feel good factor still valid for the boys from the whest now that ye don't drive past establishments with the flags out anymore? Wouldn't read too much into them anyway, sure we were only trying to part ye wealthy farmers from yer shekels. The flags were always taken down after ye had passed back through that evening. :P
Quote from: haveaharp on October 02, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also, "In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
Whilst Brolly no doubt is being his usual antagonistic self what he possibly fails to mention in his analysis actually goes further. You say he didnt mention the rally by Mayo and the fact that they got it back to 3 and but for some wayward shooting maybe would have been closer at HT. What he also omitted was that Donegal won this playing at maybe 75-80%. I believe there was plenty more in the tank had Mayo have turned the screw.
I believe had Mayo kicked those 3 scores shortly after half time then we would have kicked on and won by 4 or 5 points on the basis that Donegal guys would have found themselves in uncharted territory .... have blown a big lead and after getting hammered for the first 10 minutes of the 3rd quarter (above any quarter). Doubt creeping into minds, heavy legged, Jimmys word at half time not stacking up.... etc etc
Its another opinion and is equally as plausible as yours.
What i
know however is we didn't kick the 3 scores and Donegal won by 4 pts. Anything else is just pure conjecture.
Oh and Croi na hEireann, there are still plenty of Garrycastle flags up around Athlone and the Bridgids one are going back up after the hammering they gave Elphin on Sunday !!
Don't be fooled by them blast, McDonalds ain't good for you and Kilmartins makes enough money as it is.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2012, 12:47:26 PM
I think he meant that the Mayo posters have posted the main points of Brolly's article, on twitter. Someone was asking could they get it online but the gist of it has already been tweeted out by them. Presumably with things like - 'The p***k' appended :D
Correct.
Was just thinking earlier - how would the game have gone had Murphy / McFadden been out and Andy Moran been fit??
Or if it hadn't been for the handling error, we would have only been four points down after fifteen minutes. Or if B Moran had popped that point over instead of wide, Varley hadn't put that free wide early in the second half.......
I know they're "what ifs" but all the same it makes you wonder....
In relation to criticism of JH and his substitutions - in the run up to the game, I don't remember hearing anyone describing Feeney as the man we needed to bring on if we were in trouble. Not saying he didn't play well but it's not like we had a proven game changer on the bench that he didn't bring on. I thought putting AOS into FF was an exceptionally poor move though - it was desperation stakes with 15 minutes to go.
Who is there around the county who can make the difference next year:
Parsons?
Killer (if he's back from London)?
Regan?
Kirby?
Conor O'Se?
Anyone else??
Quote from: haveaharp on October 02, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also, "In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
Whilst Brolly no doubt is being his usual antagonistic self what he possibly fails to mention in his analysis actually goes further. You say he didnt mention the rally by Mayo and the fact that they got it back to 3 and but for some wayward shooting maybe would have been closer at HT. What he also omitted was that Donegal won this playing at maybe 75-80%. I believe there was plenty more in the tank had Mayo have turned the screw.
I have no problem with that but I feel it only applies to the second half. Donegal showed plenty of nerves and lost their sureness of touch when Mayo began to fight back, a fact that was mentioned several times by the RTE commentators.
But Mayo never looked likely to score even one goal never mind several as was needed to give them a chance of winning.
At the interval, Donegal decided to revert to their normal defensive style of play as they knew Mayo had little chance of scoring a goal and from an early stage the result was inevitable. I noticed that after the break Donegal didn't bother to contest Mayo kick outs but pulled their men back into their own half. They were in effect conceding possession as they felt confident that they could regain it on turnovers.
Mayo didn't have a Murphy or a McFadden onboard and their flashes of individual class made the difference on the day.
I don't think anyone could have prevented Murphy's score. It was class and it was something all the theorists in the world couldn't have anticipated.
Credit also to Colm Anthony; he seized on a half chance, a rebound off the pos,t and reacted so quickly that nobody could have prevented that one either. Both goals were superb, driven home by exceptionally talented players but neither was the result of pre-planned strategies. That's the way it goes I guess when your luck turns against you.
Now, when it comes to disruptive tactics, I feel that, here again, Donegal were better prepared than Mayo. How many times did they form a wall in front of a Mayo free taker and then have one man break off as soon as the freetaker began his run?
When Mayo were awarded frees in their own half or too far out to point, Donegal repeatedly refused to move back quickly so their defenders could get into position. When the ref got pissed off with this, he 'rewarded' Mayo by moving the ball forward. Big deal, invariably the free was still outside scoring range and Donegal still got time to get their men behind the ball into position.
Brolly never alluded to this or anything else I've mentioned.
I've no gripe with Donegal, they had natural goalscorers and we hadn't - simple as that.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 02, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also, "In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
Whilst Brolly no doubt is being his usual antagonistic self what he possibly fails to mention in his analysis actually goes further. You say he didnt mention the rally by Mayo and the fact that they got it back to 3 and but for some wayward shooting maybe would have been closer at HT. What he also omitted was that Donegal won this playing at maybe 75-80%. I believe there was plenty more in the tank had Mayo have turned the screw.
Er no, I don t think so. Donegal players like the McGees, Gallagher, McGrath had possibly their best games all year. Murphy was easily better than earlier games. Mclynn and Lacey were their usual very effective selves. The water carriers like McLoone, Kavanagh, Thompson and McHugh did their usual stuff with McHugh not having his biggest effect. McFadden got lucky with the goal but has never really troubled us and McBrearty did a shift but was not really going to be a big influence either. Overall most of the Donegal players played their usual or above their usual. Any suggestion that Donegal played their poorest game does not stand up to scrutiny.
Mayo on the other hand did play the poorest game of their championship. A disastrous start meant it was never going to be otherwise. The first goal was survivable but the second meant that for Mayo to win, Donegal would have to crack.
For Donegal to crack those scores in the 3rd quarter had to be nailed, but weren t. Donegal might still not have cracked but to suggest that they might have had plenty more in the tank is amateurish. Laughable in fact. The liklihood is that they would have had to cling on a bit like they did against Cork and Mayo did v Dublin.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
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I think as had been said before Brolly is in the Joe Brolly business and his main aim is to keep this business open any way he sees fit. Unfortunately for us we are seen as a legitimate target at the moment to so we'll just have to grin and bare it. We can take solace in the fact that he is bereft of any intelligent insight and while he can illicit a knee jerk angry reaction he isn't likely to unveil and deep dark character flaw that Mayo people will have to continually lose sleep over. All Joe has done is enshrine his place as one of the true idiots of this island of ours which is an achievement of sorts! I kind of feel sorry for him in that the only satisfaction he has in life is sinking so low that lowest common denominator seems like the top of mount everest for him. He really most have some serious confidence issues to be in such a bad state and in this he reminds me of Kevin Myers or the lad who got a bit of abuse in secondary school but never got over it! Maybe it's a bit selfish but as low as Mayo supporters/players feel after this loss reading snippets of Joe's take on things reminds us that life could be a lot worse if the only joy of life is to attack the vunerable or perceived vunerable!
What was posted on Twitter doesn't give the full story. In the article Brolly had a right go at Alan Dillon, accusing him of never performing when Mayo needed him most and claimed he was the 'craven prototype' of Mayo forwards.
What he had to say went far beyond the conventional limits of freedom of expression.
The fact that Dillon and the rest of the team rallied after the disastrous start and had whittled the lead down to 3 points by the interval wasn't mentioned.
I seldom pay attention to what that baxtard has to say about any game because he indulges in mockery at every turn.
On the other hand, Colm O'Rourke gave a different account of procedings.
According to him, "There was no shortage of bravery and there is definitely something to build on with a team that chose to fight rather than collapse when another annihilation looked entirely possible, a trait not always associated with Mayo." and
"In that first half, Alan Dillon, Kevin McLoughlin, Lee Keegan and Donal Vaughan really took on the challenge."
Also, "In fact, Mayo's tackling was a bit Rambo-like at times and several of Donegal's frees in the second half were given away by rank indiscipline .......Many of the Mayo players showed inexperience in that regard."
No mention of a pre-planned policy of tactical fouling or throwing in the towel.
You're free to take your pick; which of them actully watched the game?
Brolly engaged in another despicable ruse that is his hallmark. He didn't actually say that Myos should be sent on holidays; he was merely quoting what someone else had to say.
Same bolloxology at the end.He met Pat Gilroy for a pint and Gilroy was still seething at the result of the game against Mayo and rightly so.
In a side panel, the clown claimed that scientists at the Munich university had set out to find an antidote to the problem of highly- talented sportsmen getting the collywobbles on big occasions.
"Next season, we will see Mayo footballers clenching their left fist repeatedly and an All Ireland will surely be a formality."
If that's his idea of objective analysis, I'd hate to have him represent me if I ever wind up in court.
LIke every other 'Mayo,' I've had my gripes about the side's performance but it's still the best team and management I've ever seen.
Stuff Brolly!
Whilst Brolly no doubt is being his usual antagonistic self what he possibly fails to mention in his analysis actually goes further. You say he didnt mention the rally by Mayo and the fact that they got it back to 3 and but for some wayward shooting maybe would have been closer at HT. What he also omitted was that Donegal won this playing at maybe 75-80%. I believe there was plenty more in the tank had Mayo have turned the screw.
I believe had Mayo kicked those 3 scores shortly after half time then we would have kicked on and won by 4 or 5 points on the basis that Donegal guys would have found themselves in uncharted territory .... have blown a big lead and after getting hammered for the first 10 minutes of the 3rd quarter (above any quarter). Doubt creeping into minds, heavy legged, Jimmys word at half time not stacking up.... etc etc
Its another opinion and is equally as plausible as yours.
What i know however is we didn't kick the 3 scores and Donegal won by 4 pts. Anything else is just pure conjecture.
Oh and Croi na hEireann, there are still plenty of Garrycastle flags up around Athlone and the Bridgids one are going back up after the hammering they gave Elphin on Sunday !!
Having watched this again, based on another Mayoman's claim a few days back that it was one-way traffic in the third quarter, I don't know what game you boys were watching. Yes, Moran had a bad miss (or is that typical of his shooting?) and Mayo missed a free from out on the right (that wasn't exactly straightforward, but should have been scored). The other chance that was missed in those minutes came from near the sideline and was a very difficult shot! And right after, Michael Murphy missed a very scorable chance for Donegal from 40m right in front of goal. A little while later, David Walsh missed a chance similar to Moran's. Yes, Mayo's misses came in quick succession, but that third quarter was even, unlike the first or second quarters.
But yes, HAD Mayo scored those three chances, it might have been a different game. They weren't good enough. End of story. Believe me, we've been there plenty of times ourselves over the years.
I think it is always the case in that losing teams will always rue missing chances at different stages of the game and will forever be wondering what if?For me Donegal were the better team on the day and fully deserved there victory and no amount of what ifs will change that.
If we're playing hypotheticals, here's one: what would have happened if Horan managed Donegal and McGuinness managed Mayo? Same result? Different result?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 03, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
If we're playing hypotheticals, here's one: what would have happened if Horan managed Donegal and McGuinness managed Mayo? Same result? Different result?
I dunno; there are too many complementary what ifs involved to make a rational decision.
Horan in particular would have to live in Donegal and be in a position where he could devote enough time to the management of his team to fit in 11 training sessions a week as McGuinness is reputed to have done.
I think if McGuinness tried to impose his training regime on the Mayo buckos, a lot more than Conoreen would have flung their rattles out of their prams.
For me, Donegal are the best side in the country with Mayo and Cork vying for the runner up spot. If Andy Moran were fit and on form, I'd feel McGuinness might just have been able to bring Sam to Mayo at long, long last. But that's another stroll through hypothetical territory.
For that matter, if both Jimmys stayed put, Mayo might have ended their long wait.
Mayo without Andy is like Hamlet without the prince.
He was sorely missed on two counts; his football ability and his leadership qualities.
Who knows and at this stage, who cares?
Here are a couple of good video's posted by the GAA on their facebook and twitter feeds. Well worth a watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTG_Qeldtak&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UW-1mCGGg&feature=player_embedded
A letter from an American friend
Mayo Advertiser, October 05, 2012.
By John Maughan
I regularly email a friend of mine in the US regarding the progress of the Mayo team. He is quite fanatical about Mayo football and regularly travels 'home' to see his beloved county play in the championship. He could not travel for the All-Ireland but did watch it live on TV. He sought my views on the game. I have decided to let you see his response to my email where I suggested that Mayo were beaten by a better team on the day.
"I am afraid you have been infected with the same 'tragic philosophy' that has grown up in Mayo over the years. I believe we could have won! We just didn't play our own game, end of story. After defeats we have grown used to making excuses and I see by your e-mail, here we go again! You mention the full forward line in comparison to Donegal. If games were played on paper there would be no need for a field! Hey, we beat Dublin who had a good forward line and where was the Donegal forward line after the first 10 minutes. We actually outscored Donegal in the remaining 60 minutes by three points! I don't give any credit to the "after game" philosophies to soothe our pain. We have been at that too long. If I were manager I would take that team into the meeting place at the beginning of the new season and literally tell them we threw it away and let's not have any "after" excuses this year. I forgive James Horan for his misplaced strategy. It blew up in his face and I hope he has learned. The great backs we had all year sort of disappeared at least for 15 minutes and the forwards were left throughout the game — as I saw it — without the familiar runs of the half backs. John, we have to blow away this "ah, sure ....etc" philosophy. I said at the beginning of the year I thought we have a right good team, particularly after their victory over Leitrim. We sparkled against Down and Dublin. John, we HAD THE ABILITY TO WIN IT ALL. Trouble of waiting till next year is that I am getting older and wondering if I will ever see the day again! Little did I know that September 23, 1951 would be a day of joy that would have to last a lifetime. There had to be disappointments all over the place. Nearly every member of my family was there last Sunday, scrounging tickets everywhere and got quite a few in Cork from their cousins. I read there were people from Australia who had come with great hope. They went home in tears. Pauric Carney — the great Mayo player — a legend has expressed the opinion he can't understand what has happened to the Mayo spirit. I think a lot of it is we take defeats too easily. If we suffered more we might not be so tolerant of losing and making excuses. It was Henry Ford who said 'if you believe you can do it, you will, if you don't believe then you won't.' You and I have seen so many examples in football of that saying. Hopefully we will discover a good man or two in the off season, but I say those guys are young and they CAN do it. (Did I ever tell you about my years with Craobh Rua in Sligo? Everybody said when we got the club going again we had no chance. We dug up players everywhere and won two championships. Somebody believed!) Enough!"
This email from my friend has resonated with me. It has made me think about how close Mayo are to an All-Ireland title. Over recent years we have gradually managed to raise the profile of the county and the expectations of supporters, to levels that are a long way off the earlier status quo. Here I refer to the decade of the seventies during which Mayo did not get to perform championship football in Croke Park at all. It was a dark time for Mayo football. When we did eventually make the breakthrough in the early eighties, we simply were not ready to win an All-Ireland. Now we know what competing at this level is all about. No team really outplays a Mayo team these days. Mayo over the past few years have become one of the most consistent counties in the country and, notwithstanding the fact that luck and timing have not been kind to us, we are very definitely getting closer to the Holy Grail.
Youth is on our side in the battle for glory
This current Mayo side has a very formidable defensive system with quality players who luckily have plenty of youth on their side. Ger Cafferkey and Keith Higgins are two players that are recognised among their peer group as real quality. Kevin Keane, despite a shaky opening 10 minutes in the All-Ireland, displayed great character by having a massive game after being partly responsible for conceding a couple of early scores. Lesser players would have been looking towards the side line for a rescue, but not this Covey. He will be a massive player for Mayo into the future.
Our half back line has two All Star nominations... No need to elaborate here. We are more than capable of holding our own at midfield, albeit this sector could do with a player with greater mobility. The one area that needs strengthening is the full forward line. We have struggled to put up scores when faced by teams who pay a particular emphasis on defence. Andy Moran, when he recovers from his knee injury, will strengthen this line considerably and if the likes of Conor O'Shea and/or Cathal Carolan, both members of the current squad, can make an impression over the next few months, I expect they will have lots to offer a Mayo forward line.
I have spoken to a few in Castlebar Mitchel's who think that, if he could put on a few Kgs, Tom King has the potential to make it. Evan Regan could also come into the reckoning in the near future as he showed lots of classy touches at underage level. If a couple of those lads could step up to the mark then a really bright future beckons with no reason why Mayo cannot be back at HQ next year with another good chance of landing the big prize.
That's certainly an alternate view to things. Another would be that Mayos weaknesses were identified correctly and targeted successfully.
'Mon John boy, we need you back to 'fix' us, quit the article writing :-*
Quote from: dlgael on October 05, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
That's certainly an alternate view to things. Another would be that Mayos weaknesses were identified correctly and targeted successfully.
I realise this is the smugness that has to be endured when we 're beaten in an AI final - by anybody.
Care to elaborate?
Quote from: Syferus on October 05, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
'Mon John boy, we need you back to 'fix' us, quit the article writing :-*
Careful for what you wish for, you might just ................. ;D
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 05, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
'Mon John boy, we need you back to 'fix' us, quit the article writing :-*
Careful for what you wish for, you might just ................. ;D
I heard Johnno was on his way to the Ros.
As for Maughan, I'd say he sent that email to himself. I just kinda get the feeling.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 06, 2012, 12:25:45 AM
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 05, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
'Mon John boy, we need you back to 'fix' us, quit the article writing :-*
Careful for what you wish for, you might just ................. ;D
I heard Johnno was on his way to the Ros.
As for Maughan, I'd say he sent that email to himself. I just kinda get the feeling.
Johnno's been in the Ros almost since he was born, he just can't admit it to himself. ;)
It'd be great to have such a passionate county man for the job, though. None of that outsider craic. Down with them.
Quote from: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: dlgael on October 05, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
That's certainly an alternate view to things. Another would be that Mayos weaknesses were identified correctly and targeted successfully.
I realise this is the smugness that has to be endured when we 're beaten in an AI final - by anybody.
Care to elaborate?
Sure. Mayos full back line is small in stature and suspect under the high ball. Donegal went for the jugular. Secondly Mayo lacked the forwards to craft a goal scoring opportunity so that door was shut from half time. Mayo closed a 7 point gap to 3 in the first half and a 6 point gap to 4 in the 2nd half. The main reason that Donegal appeared beatable in the final was nerves. Massive nerves throughout the first half. I am not discounting Mayos achievements in 2012. I just don't think they have the full back line or full forward line to win big. I saw Mayo twice this year in the flesh and watched 3 of their championship matches so I'm not basing this on the final alone.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 05, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
A letter from an American friend
Mayo Advertiser, October 05, 2012.
By John Maughan
I regularly email a friend of mine in the US regarding the progress of the Mayo team. He is quite fanatical about Mayo football and regularly travels 'home' to see his beloved county play in the championship. He could not travel for the All-Ireland but did watch it live on TV. He sought my views on the game. I have decided to let you see his response to my email where I suggested that Mayo were beaten by a better team on the day.
"I am afraid you have been infected with the same 'tragic philosophy' that has grown up in Mayo over the years. I believe we could have won! We just didn't play our own game, end of story. After defeats we have grown used to making excuses and I see by your e-mail, here we go again! You mention the full forward line in comparison to Donegal. If games were played on paper there would be no need for a field! Hey, we beat Dublin who had a good forward line and where was the Donegal forward line after the first 10 minutes. We actually outscored Donegal in the remaining 60 minutes by three points! I don't give any credit to the "after game" philosophies to soothe our pain. We have been at that too long. If I were manager I would take that team into the meeting place at the beginning of the new season and literally tell them we threw it away and let's not have any "after" excuses this year. I forgive James Horan for his misplaced strategy. It blew up in his face and I hope he has learned. The great backs we had all year sort of disappeared at least for 15 minutes and the forwards were left throughout the game — as I saw it — without the familiar runs of the half backs. John, we have to blow away this "ah, sure ....etc" philosophy. I said at the beginning of the year I thought we have a right good team, particularly after their victory over Leitrim. We sparkled against Down and Dublin. John, we HAD THE ABILITY TO WIN IT ALL. Trouble of waiting till next year is that I am getting older and wondering if I will ever see the day again! Little did I know that September 23, 1951 would be a day of joy that would have to last a lifetime. There had to be disappointments all over the place. Nearly every member of my family was there last Sunday, scrounging tickets everywhere and got quite a few in Cork from their cousins. I read there were people from Australia who had come with great hope. They went home in tears. Pauric Carney — the great Mayo player — a legend has expressed the opinion he can't understand what has happened to the Mayo spirit. I think a lot of it is we take defeats too easily. If we suffered more we might not be so tolerant of losing and making excuses. It was Henry Ford who said 'if you believe you can do it, you will, if you don't believe then you won't.' You and I have seen so many examples in football of that saying. Hopefully we will discover a good man or two in the off season, but I say those guys are young and they CAN do it. (Did I ever tell you about my years with Craobh Rua in Sligo? Everybody said when we got the club going again we had no chance. We dug up players everywhere and won two championships. Somebody believed!) Enough!"
This email from my friend has resonated with me. It has made me think about how close Mayo are to an All-Ireland title. Over recent years we have gradually managed to raise the profile of the county and the expectations of supporters, to levels that are a long way off the earlier status quo. Here I refer to the decade of the seventies during which Mayo did not get to perform championship football in Croke Park at all. It was a dark time for Mayo football. When we did eventually make the breakthrough in the early eighties, we simply were not ready to win an All-Ireland. Now we know what competing at this level is all about. No team really outplays a Mayo team these days. Mayo over the past few years have become one of the most consistent counties in the country and, notwithstanding the fact that luck and timing have not been kind to us, we are very definitely getting closer to the Holy Grail.
Youth is on our side in the battle for glory
This current Mayo side has a very formidable defensive system with quality players who luckily have plenty of youth on their side. Ger Cafferkey and Keith Higgins are two players that are recognised among their peer group as real quality. Kevin Keane, despite a shaky opening 10 minutes in the All-Ireland, displayed great character by having a massive game after being partly responsible for conceding a couple of early scores. Lesser players would have been looking towards the side line for a rescue, but not this Covey. He will be a massive player for Mayo into the future.
Our half back line has two All Star nominations... No need to elaborate here. We are more than capable of holding our own at midfield, albeit this sector could do with a player with greater mobility. The one area that needs strengthening is the full forward line. We have struggled to put up scores when faced by teams who pay a particular emphasis on defence. Andy Moran, when he recovers from his knee injury, will strengthen this line considerably and if the likes of Conor O'Shea and/or Cathal Carolan, both members of the current squad, can make an impression over the next few months, I expect they will have lots to offer a Mayo forward line.
I have spoken to a few in Castlebar Mitchel's who think that, if he could put on a few Kgs, Tom King has the potential to make it. Evan Regan could also come into the reckoning in the near future as he showed lots of classy touches at underage level. If a couple of those lads could step up to the mark then a really bright future beckons with no reason why Mayo cannot be back at HQ next year with another good chance of landing the big prize.
Well, it didn't resonate with me. Talk about stating the obvious while missing the point.
I think John was stuck for copy to fill a space when he posted this. He then goes on to comment and what he has to say contradicts the gist of this email.
However, I think the Dark Ages were the years 2007-2010. The embarrassment in Sligo followed by the humiliation in Longford marked our annus horribilis- for me anyway. JH took over at the lowest point I can ever recall and what he has achieved since is quite remarkable. Like JM, he appears to have made a few mistakes in his first final and, again like JM, these shouldn't be allowed to overshadow his achievements.
At the start of this season, most people, myself included, felt that getting to a QF would have been satisfactory and that a Semi appearance would have been a bonus. Sure, I'm disappointed but not depressed and I agree with JM's first two paragraphs.
Can't comment on players I haven't seen so King and Regan are unknown quantities to me and I think there is no quick fix solution. GIven that Horan has been working with his present panel for two years, it will take something special if anybody new can force his way into the reckoning.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 05, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
A letter from an American friend
Mayo Advertiser, October 05, 2012.
By John Maughan
I regularly email a friend of mine in the US regarding the progress of the Mayo team. He is quite fanatical about Mayo football and regularly travels 'home' to see his beloved county play in the championship. He could not travel for the All-Ireland but did watch it live on TV. He sought my views on the game. I have decided to let you see his response to my email where I suggested that Mayo were beaten by a better team on the day.
"I am afraid you have been infected with the same 'tragic philosophy' that has grown up in Mayo over the years. I believe we could have won! We just didn't play our own game, end of story. After defeats we have grown used to making excuses and I see by your e-mail, here we go again! You mention the full forward line in comparison to Donegal. If games were played on paper there would be no need for a field! Hey, we beat Dublin who had a good forward line and where was the Donegal forward line after the first 10 minutes. We actually outscored Donegal in the remaining 60 minutes by three points! I don't give any credit to the "after game" philosophies to soothe our pain. We have been at that too long. If I were manager I would take that team into the meeting place at the beginning of the new season and literally tell them we threw it away and let's not have any "after" excuses this year. I forgive James Horan for his misplaced strategy. It blew up in his face and I hope he has learned. The great backs we had all year sort of disappeared at least for 15 minutes and the forwards were left throughout the game — as I saw it — without the familiar runs of the half backs. John, we have to blow away this "ah, sure ....etc" philosophy. I said at the beginning of the year I thought we have a right good team, particularly after their victory over Leitrim. We sparkled against Down and Dublin. John, we HAD THE ABILITY TO WIN IT ALL. Trouble of waiting till next year is that I am getting older and wondering if I will ever see the day again! Little did I know that September 23, 1951 would be a day of joy that would have to last a lifetime. There had to be disappointments all over the place. Nearly every member of my family was there last Sunday, scrounging tickets everywhere and got quite a few in Cork from their cousins. I read there were people from Australia who had come with great hope. They went home in tears. Pauric Carney — the great Mayo player — a legend has expressed the opinion he can't understand what has happened to the Mayo spirit. I think a lot of it is we take defeats too easily. If we suffered more we might not be so tolerant of losing and making excuses. It was Henry Ford who said 'if you believe you can do it, you will, if you don't believe then you won't.' You and I have seen so many examples in football of that saying. Hopefully we will discover a good man or two in the off season, but I say those guys are young and they CAN do it. (Did I ever tell you about my years with Craobh Rua in Sligo? Everybody said when we got the club going again we had no chance. We dug up players everywhere and won two championships. Somebody believed!) Enough!"
This email from my friend has resonated with me. It has made me think about how close Mayo are to an All-Ireland title. Over recent years we have gradually managed to raise the profile of the county and the expectations of supporters, to levels that are a long way off the earlier status quo. Here I refer to the decade of the seventies during which Mayo did not get to perform championship football in Croke Park at all. It was a dark time for Mayo football. When we did eventually make the breakthrough in the early eighties, we simply were not ready to win an All-Ireland. Now we know what competing at this level is all about. No team really outplays a Mayo team these days. Mayo over the past few years have become one of the most consistent counties in the country and, notwithstanding the fact that luck and timing have not been kind to us, we are very definitely getting closer to the Holy Grail.
Youth is on our side in the battle for glory
This current Mayo side has a very formidable defensive system with quality players who luckily have plenty of youth on their side. Ger Cafferkey and Keith Higgins are two players that are recognised among their peer group as real quality. Kevin Keane, despite a shaky opening 10 minutes in the All-Ireland, displayed great character by having a massive game after being partly responsible for conceding a couple of early scores. Lesser players would have been looking towards the side line for a rescue, but not this Covey. He will be a massive player for Mayo into the future.
Our half back line has two All Star nominations... No need to elaborate here. We are more than capable of holding our own at midfield, albeit this sector could do with a player with greater mobility. The one area that needs strengthening is the full forward line. We have struggled to put up scores when faced by teams who pay a particular emphasis on defence. Andy Moran, when he recovers from his knee injury, will strengthen this line considerably and if the likes of Conor O'Shea and/or Cathal Carolan, both members of the current squad, can make an impression over the next few months, I expect they will have lots to offer a Mayo forward line.
I have spoken to a few in Castlebar Mitchel's who think that, if he could put on a few Kgs, Tom King has the potential to make it. Evan Regan could also come into the reckoning in the near future as he showed lots of classy touches at underage level. If a couple of those lads could step up to the mark then a really bright future beckons with no reason why Mayo cannot be back at HQ next year with another good chance of landing the big prize.
Well, it didn't resonate with me. Talk about stating the obvious while missing the point.
I think John was stuck for copy to fill a space when he posted this. He then goes on to comment and what he has to say contradicts the gist of this email.
However, I think the Dark Ages were the years 2007-2010. The embarrassment in Sligo followed by the humiliation in Longford marked our annus horribilis- for me anyway. JH took over at the lowest point I can ever recall and what he has achieved since is quite remarkable. Like JM, he appears to have made a few mistakes in his first final and, again like JM, these shouldn't be allowed to overshadow his achievements.
At the start of this season, most people, myself included, felt that getting to a QF would have been satisfactory and that a Semi appearance would have been a bonus. Sure, I'm disappointed but not depressed and I agree with JM's first two paragraphs.
Can't comment on players I haven't seen so King and Regan are unknown quantities to me and I think there is no quick fix solution. GIven that Horan has been working with his present panel for two years, it will take something special if anybody new can force his way into the reckoning.
This simply doesn t stand up to scrutiny Lar.
Neither Boyle nor Conroy were in the panel 2011 and if Davitts had not had a fine year last year they mightn t have been involved this year either. Boyle is an All Star nomination. Conroy best of the inside forwards since he returned.
I don t think it will take much special to replace at least 3 starters from the AI final. In fact I believe that is a necessity. I don t know James Horan but I suspect he has one or two regrets about how the team developed after the league. I think we had alternatives and if we were a bit more radical we could have gone all the way. To progress we need to improve a few positions. Presuming they are fit the only probables going forward are Clarke, Higgins, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, O Sé, Moran, Dillon, O Connor, McLoughlin, Conroy and Andy Moran.
We don t need to find a nest of scoring forwards either. Donegal won with only 2 forwards. The McLoones, McBreartys, McHughs, etc were worker bees albeit very good worker bees.
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
This simply doesn t stand up to scrutiny Lar.
Neither Boyle nor Conroy were in the panel 2011 and if Davitts had not had a fine year last year they mightn t have been involved this year either. Boyle is an All Star nomination. Conroy best of the inside forwards since he returned.
I don t think it will take much special to replace at least 3 starters from the AI final. In fact I believe that is a necessity. I don t know James Horan but I suspect he has one or two regrets about how the team developed after the league. I think we had alternatives and if we were a bit more radical we could have gone all the way. To progress we need to improve a few positions. Presuming they are fit the only probables going forward are Clarke, Higgins, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, O Sé, Moran, Dillon, O Connor, McLoughlin, Conroy and Andy Moran.
We don t need to find a nest of scoring forwards either. Donegal won with only 2 forwards. The McLoones, McBreartys, McHughs, etc were worker bees albeit very good worker bees.
Sorry moy, I had accidentally removed "most of" which should have come before "present" when I was cutting and pasting and generally tidying up. The dog is an even thicker hoor than I am and he was getting restless and I had just received a gentle reminder from The Boss that unless I left the computer alone, I'd have to graze the long acre if I wanted dinner. Unless I took the mutt for a walk, I'd have more to worry about than Mayo football!
Now, I fully agree that the panel could do with a few fresh faces and maybe a couple of the present subs could make it onto the first fifteen but James Horan is not the Blueshirt and the days of wholesale chopping and changing are over. I think Ronan McGarrity was a huge loss and so was Pat Harte. If the trio of McG, Harte and Andy are available for selection next year, I'd be a lot happier.
I also felt that Richie Feeney was worth a starting place this season but JH thought otherwise. He will be on the lookout for new talent and I expect he will try out a few newcomers when the FBD comes around.
BTW, I'd add Caff to my probables list.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2012, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
This simply doesn t stand up to scrutiny Lar.
Neither Boyle nor Conroy were in the panel 2011 and if Davitts had not had a fine year last year they mightn t have been involved this year either. Boyle is an All Star nomination. Conroy best of the inside forwards since he returned.
I don t think it will take much special to replace at least 3 starters from the AI final. In fact I believe that is a necessity. I don t know James Horan but I suspect he has one or two regrets about how the team developed after the league. I think we had alternatives and if we were a bit more radical we could have gone all the way. To progress we need to improve a few positions. Presuming they are fit the only probables going forward are Clarke, Higgins, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, O Sé, Moran, Dillon, O Connor, McLoughlin, Conroy and Andy Moran.
We don t need to find a nest of scoring forwards either. Donegal won with only 2 forwards. The McLoones, McBreartys, McHughs, etc were worker bees albeit very good worker bees.
Sorry moy, I had accidentally removed "most of" which should have come before "present" when I was cutting and pasting and generally tidying up. The dog is an even thicker hoor than I am and he was getting restless and I had just received a gentle reminder from The Boss that unless I left the computer alone, I'd have to graze the long acre if I wanted dinner. Unless I took the mutt for a walk, I'd have more to worry about than Mayo football!
Now, I fully agree that the panel could do with a few fresh faces and maybe a couple of the present subs could make it onto the first fifteen but James Horan is not the Blueshirt and the days of wholesale chopping and changing are over. I think Ronan McGarrity was a huge loss and so was Pat Harte. If the trio of McG, Harte and Andy are available for selection next year, I'd be a lot happier.
I also felt that Richie Feeney was worth a starting place this season but JH thought otherwise. He will be on the lookout for new talent and I expect he will try out a few newcomers when the FBD comes around.
BTW, I'd add Caff to my probables list.
Caff. yes of course. And SOS and Gibbons also will be around. Feeney could have been used more as well.
McGar appears to be finishing up but Harte will be back I expect. Others will come into the reckoning too. It s not about chopping and changing I don t think. Teams never stand still from one year to the next. If we can keep the good bits and add a bit we should develop. I expect many of the good bits will progress even more as well.
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2012, 11:25:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2012, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 06, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
This simply doesn t stand up to scrutiny Lar.
Neither Boyle nor Conroy were in the panel 2011 and if Davitts had not had a fine year last year they mightn t have been involved this year either. Boyle is an All Star nomination. Conroy best of the inside forwards since he returned.
I don t think it will take much special to replace at least 3 starters from the AI final. In fact I believe that is a necessity. I don t know James Horan but I suspect he has one or two regrets about how the team developed after the league. I think we had alternatives and if we were a bit more radical we could have gone all the way. To progress we need to improve a few positions. Presuming they are fit the only probables going forward are Clarke, Higgins, Keane, Keegan, Boyle, O Sé, Moran, Dillon, O Connor, McLoughlin, Conroy and Andy Moran.
We don t need to find a nest of scoring forwards either. Donegal won with only 2 forwards. The McLoones, McBreartys, McHughs, etc were worker bees albeit very good worker bees.
Sorry moy, I had accidentally removed "most of" which should have come before "present" when I was cutting and pasting and generally tidying up. The dog is an even thicker hoor than I am and he was getting restless and I had just received a gentle reminder from The Boss that unless I left the computer alone, I'd have to graze the long acre if I wanted dinner. Unless I took the mutt for a walk, I'd have more to worry about than Mayo football!
Now, I fully agree that the panel could do with a few fresh faces and maybe a couple of the present subs could make it onto the first fifteen but James Horan is not the Blueshirt and the days of wholesale chopping and changing are over. I think Ronan McGarrity was a huge loss and so was Pat Harte. If the trio of McG, Harte and Andy are available for selection next year, I'd be a lot happier.
I also felt that Richie Feeney was worth a starting place this season but JH thought otherwise. He will be on the lookout for new talent and I expect he will try out a few newcomers when the FBD comes around.
BTW, I'd add Caff to my probables list.
Caff. yes of course. And SOS and Gibbons also will be around. Feeney could have been used more as well.
McGar appears to be finishing up but Harte will be back I expect. Others will come into the reckoning too. It s not about chopping and changing I don t think. Teams never stand still from one year to the next. If we can keep the good bits and add a bit we should develop. I expect many of the good bits will progress even more as well.
Bit like a jigsaw puzzle. A lot of the pieces are there, most of it is put together. However there's one or two important pieces missing and and there's some uncertainty about where some others go or they're in the wrong place. Along with the guys returning, figuring out how best to use Higgins (centre half or wing back?) and AOS (midfield or CHF) is going to be key. Considering in the Final I thought that the few times that O'Shea was most effective when on the ball and running towards goal, maybe playing as CHF come third midfielder may be the way to go, playing Moran with SOS or Gibbons. Just an idea.
The one thing I thought Mayo should have done was to play a third midfielder as they lacked any top class full forward so sacrificing one wouldn't have mattered. I think they kept 3 up against Donegal to try and keep as many Donegal defenders as deep as possible and to force mchugh to cover the whole width of the pitch when playing sweeper.
Would Higgins at centre back and Vaughan as a third midfielder be an option. Vaughan plays midfield for his club does he not? And he could drop in as cover for Higgins to make his marauding runs. This would also give the Mayo midfield the mobility it currently lacks. McL, Dillon, Andy and O'Connor would be 4 of the forwards though O'Connor needs to do more from play. So your looking for a centre forward or, if you push Andy out a full forward for a a 2 man line.
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2012, 10:36:17 AM
The one thing I thought Mayo should have done was to play a third midfielder as they lacked any top class full forward so sacrificing one wouldn't have mattered. I think they kept 3 up against Donegal to try and keep as many Donegal defenders as deep as possible and to force mchugh to cover the whole width of the pitch when playing sweeper.
Would Higgins at centre back and Vaughan as a third midfielder be an option. Vaughan plays midfield for his club does he not? And he could drop in as cover for Higgins to make his marauding runs. This would also give the Mayo midfield the mobility it currently lacks. McL, Dillon, Andy and O'Connor would be 4 of the forwards though O'Connor needs to do more from play. So your looking for a centre forward or, if you push Andy out a full forward for a a 2 man line.
Keegan most likely to be 6 from now on. Higgins should heve been taken out to wing already.
According to the Western People today James Horan is considering his position.
There was talk yesterday alright that he had to be persuaded not to step down on Saturday.
Why?
Jimmy's winnin matches. RTE1 now.
yes i'm able to watch it in birmingham!
Not much revealed in that programme that we didn't know already. No behind the scenes footage or the likes, the gagging policy is as strong as ever.
I enjoyed it, showed reaching Sam was a 2 season project. Brushed over the K Cassidy drama
A vast step up on RTE's usual holiday recaps of the AI champions' season, this one getting access to the players, the manager as well as opposition players and managers.
The narration became far too over-written by the end though and the slow-motion stop-start effects they used for in-play sections was interesting but the sound effects they dubbed in made it look a tad silly. They really should have had the welcome home as part of the documentary proper and not the background to the credits because, as Jim said himself, it was the moment they were dreaming about.
It's not A Year 'Til Sunday in its level of access (this is Jimmy we're talking about, after all) or the quality of Reaching for Glory (a documentary on the Irish rugby team's 2007 season) but it's certainly going in the right direction and hopefully this year's AI champions get the same level of effort. Just sit down the producers in front of a few episodes of America's Game and we'll be rolling.
Not much to that really. Basically a highlights show interspersed with some talking head interviews that didn't really reveal too much. Any controversial moments quickly glossed over.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 03, 2013, 11:39:06 PM
Not much to that really. Basically a highlights show interspersed with some talking head interviews that didn't really reveal too much. Any controversial moments quickly glossed over.
was largely crap in all honesty
Missed the night there.
Was kevin cassidy not interviewed??
it was poor enough. how these journos get away with showing a bit of footage and not giving proper analysis time and again is beyond me. would it not also be about the questions they ask the people involved in it too?
the best part of the show was the slow mo build up to the mcfadden goal in the final. never realised murphy had been that involved in it.
+ i liked hearing from the players, especially the magees. they all came across really well in fairness.
nowhere near enough analysis. but it is rte. they should've hired emmet ryan with a chalk board for ten minutes. emmet would sort it.
Everyone talks about Donegal's low being the match against Armagh in Crossmaglen in the 2010 qualifiers. Surely the real low was losing to Antrim at Ballybofey the year before ;)
Didn't think it was too bad.
One interesting feature was the way they seemed to use footage from camera phones during various celebrations that may have been posted on Youtube. Would they have had to contact those Donegal fans to use this material or can a TV station simply show Youtube footage without recourse?
What is America's Game referred to a few posts above?
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
Have 50 down at 11/1............had 20 on Donegal at 14/1 this time last year. Be nice to have a repeat!
Quote from: catchandkick on January 04, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
Didn't think it was too bad.
One interesting feature was the way they seemed to use footage from camera phones during various celebrations that may have been posted on Youtube. Would they have had to contact those Donegal fans to use this material or can a TV station simply show Youtube footage without recourse?
What is America's Game referred to a few posts above?
It's a documentary series on the each season's NFL Superbowl (American football) champions done by the league's official film unit, NFL Films. NFL Films pioneered the use of specially recorded slow(er)-motion pitch-side footage with microphones on the sidelines that pick up the contact. That's not to mention the coaches and players on the sidelines being record for reactions as well. The cover every single NFL game to make weekly highlights packages so when it comes to making other documentaries they have most of the footage they need to tell the story already in the vault. They also have a great feel for cutting together good interviews and keeping the stories of those said documentaries rolling.
Basically what RTE were mimicking in their stop-start slow-motion footage, though it seems very likely whatever pitch-side audio was recorded was poorly over-dubbed which made it sound like a fight scene from a Rocky film.
NFL Films are pretty much the gold standard of sports documentary and most every sports documentary since the 60's owes some level of debt to it. Even if you haven't a bit of interest in the sport it's hard for any sports fan not to appreciate how valuable it is to a sport to have it promoted so well and personalised so effectively.
Here's an example of their style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8EnJzl7j0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8EnJzl7j0)
If the GAA have some forward thinking they should work with a production company to document this year's AI finals in football and hurling in the same obsessive detail as NFL Films cover every single game of their sport.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
of the teams donegal played this year, tyrone and mayo were the ones that disrupted our style of play, the running game from the back, the most. tyrone put pressure on us high up the field and mayo pressed us in our half. mayo's half backs did a great job of squeezing the play once we got the ball by moving up en masse. we had less room to move with the ball and it became a real dog fight to get the ball out of our half. most effective strategy i saw against us all year. for teams that play a swarm defence and run the ball a lot, it's a clever tactic. mayo had the gas and the bench too to play that way for the full 70+. they'll be fitter, more nuanced and better at what they do this year + will have am back. the rest need to watch out imo.
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht champions three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor.
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponents are.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
of the teams donegal played this year, tyrone and mayo were the ones that disrupted our style of play, the running game from the back, the most. tyrone put pressure on us high up the field and mayo pressed us in our half. mayo's half backs did a great job of squeezing the play once we got the ball by moving up en masse. we had less room to move with the ball and it became a real dog fight to get the ball out of our half. most effective strategy i saw against us all year. for teams that play a swarm defence and run the ball a lot, it's a clever tactic. mayo had the gas and the bench too to play that way for the full 70+. they'll be fitter, more nuanced and better at what they do this year + will have am back. the rest need to watch out imo.
The Mayo tactics wasn't too clever early on when they gave Donegal commanding cushion. Was said on last nights program Donegal played the game on their own terms and the All Ireland final was no different. Cork,Kerry,Dublin all have plenty to prove this year i'll be watching out for them more than Mayo.
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
of the teams donegal played this year, tyrone and mayo were the ones that disrupted our style of play, the running game from the back, the most. tyrone put pressure on us high up the field and mayo pressed us in our half. mayo's half backs did a great job of squeezing the play once we got the ball by moving up en masse. we had less room to move with the ball and it became a real dog fight to get the ball out of our half. most effective strategy i saw against us all year. for teams that play a swarm defence and run the ball a lot, it's a clever tactic. mayo had the gas and the bench too to play that way for the full 70+. they'll be fitter, more nuanced and better at what they do this year + will have am back. the rest need to watch out imo.
The Mayo tactics wasn't too clever early on when they gave Donegal commanding cushion. Was said on last nights program Donegal played the game on their own terms and the All Ireland final was no different. Cork,Kerry,Dublin all have plenty to prove this year i'll be watching out for them more than Mayo.
stinker of a start, but after that, it was tit-for-tat the whole way. had mayo taken their chances, the outcome would've been different. you could say the donegal defence makes it difficult for forwards to get into their groove, but mayo made it equally difficult for us to really get going. it was a finely balanced game in that regard. when it was put up to them, mayo didn't yield. add this steel and defensive intensity to them being good footballers with good tactical nous too, they'll be a fag paper way from it if they don't do it this year.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Thought it was interesting last night Jim talking about there being times when tactics go out the window and it becomes about being resilient. I honestly think mayo are the team to beat this year. If we ever play them again they'll be that little bit further up the pitch and try to squeeze the life out of us and others too I'd put money on it.
I don't you could say that Mayo are 'the team to beat' this year. They might be one of the contenders but I honestly think that Donegal will still be the team to beat this year followed by Dublin, Cork and Kerry in that order and then Mayo. Given that they almost have a free pass into the quarter finals they should be involved at the business end but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on them.
of the teams donegal played this year, tyrone and mayo were the ones that disrupted our style of play, the running game from the back, the most. tyrone put pressure on us high up the field and mayo pressed us in our half. mayo's half backs did a great job of squeezing the play once we got the ball by moving up en masse. we had less room to move with the ball and it became a real dog fight to get the ball out of our half. most effective strategy i saw against us all year. for teams that play a swarm defence and run the ball a lot, it's a clever tactic. mayo had the gas and the bench too to play that way for the full 70+. they'll be fitter, more nuanced and better at what they do this year + will have am back. the rest need to watch out imo.
The Mayo tactics wasn't too clever early on when they gave Donegal commanding cushion. Was said on last nights program Donegal played the game on their own terms and the All Ireland final was no different. Cork,Kerry,Dublin all have plenty to prove this year i'll be watching out for them more than Mayo.
stinker of a start, but after that, it was tit-for-tat the whole way. had mayo taken their chances, the outcome would've been different. you could say the donegal defence makes it difficult for forwards to get into their groove, but mayo made it equally difficult for us to really get going. it was a finely balanced game in that regard. when it was put up to them, mayo didn't yield. add this steel and defensive intensity to them being good footballers with good tactical nous too, they'll be a fag paper way from it if they don't do it this year.
Some have said that Donegal didn't play as well in the All Ireland final as they did vs Tyrone,Kerry,Cork. Wasn't the first final Mayo didn't take their chances and unless they find two or three better forwards the outcome will remain the same.
Donegal played much better against Mayo than they did against Kerry. Tyrone was just a good old Ulster war of attrition while the Cork performance was their obvious stand-out.
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
There could be a lot of GAA boarders dragging that comment up next May/June ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
There could be a lot of GAA boarders dragging that comment up next May/June ;D
they'll still piss on the rest of connacht ;D
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
They didn't even piss Connacht last year with an easy draw given they barely squeaked past Sligo in the Connacht final. I doubt they will this year either with a substantially more difficult schedule ahead of them. They are definitely favourites but they will certainly be made to work for it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2013, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
They didn't even piss Connacht last year with an easy draw given they barely squeaked past Sligo in the Connacht final. I doubt they will this year either with a substantially more difficult schedule ahead of them. They are definitely favourites but they will certainly be made to work for it.
Ah, Mayo never looked like losing the Connacht final! The Connacht final was Sligo's big game of the year, and no offence but it was not Mayo's. So there were peaking issues. Every year is different, Mayo in 1995 got whipped by Galway in Connacht and the following year Mayo won Connacht and (As usual) nearly won an AI. Mayo will be favourites, but it's no done deal!
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
any team in connacht gets within 4pts of mayo this year i'd be surprised.
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
not competitive anymore because mayo are streets ahead of the rest.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
not competitive anymore because mayo are streets ahead of the rest.
We'll see. I'm pretty sure they will have at least one possibly two tight games in Connacht this year. Just because they gave Donegal a good game doesn't mean that the rest of Connacht will suddenly start bowing down and waving the white flag. Even when Galway were winning All-Ireland's most of the rest of Connacht still felt they could beat them on a given day. That's just the way it is in a small province where the teams play each other so often and know each other inside out.
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
not competitive anymore because mayo are streets ahead of the rest.
Hmm,Mayo got a far more competitive game from Sligo than Down gave them. Of course if Mayo struggle in any of their Connacht games this year the AI odds of 11/1 will become longer..
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
But when you had your chance to beat us in 2011 you couldn't
In Fact I reckon Sir Jimmy said a few Ava Maria's when Mayo fell over the line. We'd have gone in as reigning All-Ireland champions as underdogs into a final.
Really Donegal for me have to beat us in the championship to claim being the best in the country.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
But when you had your chance to beat us in 2011 you couldn't
In Fact I reckon Sir Jimmy said a few Ava Maria's when Mayo fell over the line. We'd have gone in as reigning All-Ireland champions as underdogs into a final.
Really Donegal for me have to beat us in the championship to claim being the best in the country.
To be the best in the country you have to beat the best and let's be honest Dublin weren't the best team last summer.
Honestly if I was pushed right now I'd say someone other than Mayo wins Connacht this year. I'd still fancy Mayo to make their way through the qualifiers and be there when summer drifts into August, indeed in some ways it may make more people take notice of them than them winning a 'weak' Connacht again.
If Mayo don't want the Nestor Cup desperately then someone else will do it - Sligo know their potential Connacht final is likely be the final moment for that team to prove themselves as more than the nearly men they've been since 2007 because anything less than a Connacht title and Walsh is out one way or the other. For us there is a whole hell of a lot of disgust about how we exited Connacht last year and our season in general - we did get a victory over Armagh but the overall reaction tells you we're getting past being sated by moral successes - after two good seasons and even going to McHale Park won't spook us when we think about what's to be won and the redemption we can find with a victory there. Galway in Salthill? That speaks for itself. Mulholland is better than he showed last year and I have to imagine an improvement in their fortunes.
I think the Connacht draw is set up very interestingly this year, with even London and Leitrim having to fancy their chances for progress. There's sure to be at least one unexpected result thrown up.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2013, 11:02:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
not competitive anymore because mayo are streets ahead of the rest.
We'll see. I'm pretty sure they will have at least one possibly two tight games in Connacht this year. Just because they gave Donegal a good game doesn't mean that the rest of Connacht will suddenly start bowing down and waving the white flag. Even when Galway were winning All-Ireland's most of the rest of Connacht still felt they could beat them on a given day. That's just the way it is in a small province where the teams play each other so often and know each other inside out.
don't agree. mayo are further ahead than everyone else in connacht atm. i don't expect you to respond any other way, but that doesn't change the way things are now.
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
In the top four I'd say
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2013, 11:02:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 04, 2013, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
it's about getting over the line. they were closer this year and might have won it if they didn't get off to such a bad start. how they came back in that final will be the making of them. they will not want to experience that again.
@ syferus, we were not great against mayo. good enough to close it out, but they disrupted us and it was them controlling the game and giving as good as they got for large parts of it.
it's all speculation i know, but i can't see mayo not being an even tighter prospect this year. they'll hardly lack hunger. they'll piss connacht.
Mayo got alot closer in 1996 & that AI final remains the only one they really should have won. Mayo must have been on the piss when London brought them to extra time in 2011? the fact is Connacht may not have many All Ireland contenders at the moment but it's one of the most competitive provinces in Ireland & the last 8 Connacht finals proves my point
2012 Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10
2011 Mayo 0-13 Roscommon 0-11
2010 Roscommon 0-14 Sligo 0-13
2009 Mayo 2-12 Galway 1-14
2008 Galway 2-12 Mayo 1-14
2007 Sligo 1-10 Galway 0-12
2006 Mayo 0-12 Galway 1-08
2005 Galway 0-10 Mayo 0-08
not competitive anymore because mayo are streets ahead of the rest.
We'll see. I'm pretty sure they will have at least one possibly two tight games in Connacht this year. Just because they gave Donegal a good game doesn't mean that the rest of Connacht will suddenly start bowing down and waving the white flag. Even when Galway were winning All-Ireland's most of the rest of Connacht still felt they could beat them on a given day. That's just the way it is in a small province where the teams play each other so often and know each other inside out.
don't agree. mayo are further ahead than everyone else in connacht atm. i don't expect you to respond any other way, but that doesn't change the way things are now.
Don't get me wrong. They are warm possibly even hot favourites but it's a bit delusional I think to feel they will just steamroller everyone in Connacht without breaking a sweat. They will have to dig deep at least once. Maybe even twice given that they will have to play 3 games to win it. They could even win two games handily but somewhere along the way they will be in a battle.
We had Dublin steamrolled and still managed to make us sweat, it's almost part of our game. Connacht will be tight.
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
;D ;) :'(
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Yawn
Seriously though. It's a bit of a joke now. Since the great Galway side half a century ago, the West's record has been a bit like the land. The odd spark of life (Kiltimagh = Joyce 98/01) but mostly barren, cold, dark and useless.
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 11:34:47 AM
Seriously though. It's a bit of a joke now. Since the great Galway side half a century ago, the West's record has been a bit like the land. The odd spark of life (Kiltimagh = Joyce 98/01) but mostly barren, cold, dark and useless.
O Neill and serious....naaay,can never see that takin off
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Hmm,I vaguely remember hurling being played there-the great
Galway midfielder Michael Coleman being its most famous son...but All-Ireland titles???
Football my son FOOTBALL!
Perhaps I didn't word that right. It was 2 seperate questions, one regarding the hurling and the other about Jarlaths. I know a great Coleman's side beat Jarlaths a couple of years ago in the Hogan final.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Hmm,I vaguely remember hurling being played there-the great
Galway midfielder Michael Coleman being its most famous son...but All-Ireland titles???
Football my son FOOTBALL!
Perhaps I didn't word that right. It was 2 seperate questions, one regarding the hurling and the other about Jarlaths. I know a great Coleman's side beat Jarlaths a couple of years ago in the Hogan final.
Jarlaths still have most titles (12)
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Hmm,I vaguely remember hurling being played there-the great
Galway midfielder Michael Coleman being its most famous son...but All-Ireland titles???
Football my son FOOTBALL!
Perhaps I didn't word that right. It was 2 seperate questions, one regarding the hurling and the other about Jarlaths. I know a great Coleman's side beat Jarlaths a couple of years ago in the Hogan final.
Jarlaths still have most titles (12)
I know that, what I'm asking is, what is the reason for their recent decline?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 05, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Hmm,I vaguely remember hurling being played there-the great
Galway midfielder Michael Coleman being its most famous son...but All-Ireland titles???
Football my son FOOTBALL!
Perhaps I didn't word that right. It was 2 seperate questions, one regarding the hurling and the other about Jarlaths. I know a great Coleman's side beat Jarlaths a couple of years ago in the Hogan final.
Jarlaths still have most titles (12)
I know that, what I'm asking is, what is the reason for their recent decline?
The economy, osterity,girls,drink, fags,-How did the all-ireland
thread turn into this....blame O Neill
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Galway doesn't really have one big hurling school like Flannan's in Clare or Kieran's in Kilkenny. Most of the hurling schools in Galway are smaller vocational schools so Galway tend to be very strong at vocational schools level where they beat Kilkenny in the All-Ireland final last year and did 4 in a row in the 90's and 3 in a row in the early 00's.
Jarlath's are not quite the powerhouse they once were without borders but they are still pretty strong. They really should have beaten Colman's in the Hogan Cup final 2 years ago and they lost in the semis last year to the eventual winners again. Even with the boarders it's not like Jarlath's were winning it every year.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 05, 2013, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
This year will see 12 years since Sam headed West. Should we merge a few of those counties together?
Ah sure we're not as weak as Ulster colleges, no need to merge up just yet. :-X
Out of interest when was the last time a Connacht school won the A Colleges Hurling title?? Jarlaths record of late isn't the best either. Is this because of fewer boarders?
Galway doesn't really have one big hurling school like Flannan's in Clare or Kieran's in Kilkenny. Most of the hurling schools in Galway are smaller vocational schools so Galway tend to be very strong at vocational schools level where they beat Kilkenny in the All-Ireland final last year and did 4 in a row in the 90's and 3 in a row in the early 00's.
Jarlath's are not quite the powerhouse they once were without borders but they are still pretty strong. They really should have beaten Colman's in the Hogan Cup final 2 years ago and they lost in the semis last year to the eventual winners again. Even with the boarders it's not like Jarlath's were winning it every year.
Cheers GBB. Thanks for clearing that up!
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
But when you had your chance to beat us in 2011 you couldn't
In Fact I reckon Sir Jimmy said a few Ava Maria's when Mayo fell over the line. We'd have gone in as reigning All-Ireland champions as underdogs into a final.
Really Donegal for me have to beat us in the championship to claim being the best in the country.
2011 is long gone and dublin have 1 all ireland in over 15 years.
Cork beat dublin on the way to winning the sam in 2010, and dublin havn't beat them in champo since, why? there lies the answer to your statement. Surely then dublins 2011 win is devalued as the didnt beat the champs. Or maybe ur comment is just tongue in cheek which would make a lot more sense
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
But when you had your chance to beat us in 2011 you couldn't
In Fact I reckon Sir Jimmy said a few Ava Maria's when Mayo fell over the line. We'd have gone in as reigning All-Ireland champions as underdogs into a final.
Really Donegal for me have to beat us in the championship to claim being the best in the country.
In Fact I reckon you're clutching at straws. In Fact, I reckon you haven't addressed the fact that dublin weren't good enough.
Plenty of slagging as per usual about the poor oul wesht. Much as it pains me I think Mayo will take Sam home this year. Their rise last year has been underestimated.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 04, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadence on January 04, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Mayo have a Connacht draw full of opportunities for the train to derail and teams more than capable on their days to do just that. It's a no win situation for Mayo next year in those games while for everyone else it's a chance to beat the AI finalists. Mayo have been impressive but history says only the very best teams from the west emerge as Connacht three years running - the last time Mayo did it was in 1950 as part of a four-in-a-row from '48-51 - and Mayo's record in the qualifers is poor. I think
Mayo reaching the AIQF stage by either door will be a statement that should worry whoever their opponent are.
reckon this mayo team don't pay much mind to history.
here's me thinking this donegal team haven't beaten dublin yet.
thats right they haven't.
got confused for a moment,
we'd have done you, even the dogs in the street know that.
But when you had your chance to beat us in 2011 you couldn't
In Fact I reckon Sir Jimmy said a few Ava Maria's when Mayo fell over the line. We'd have gone in as reigning All-Ireland champions as underdogs into a final.
Really Donegal for me have to beat us in the championship to claim being the best in the country.
Sure youse didn't beat Cork last year. What would you have said to a Cork man who said Dublin couldn't claim to be the best team in the country last year (leaving Kerry out of it for the sake of argument)?
The 2011 Donegal performances are irrelevant. Donegal were a much more formidable team this year and easily the best in the country by any normal barometer. Of course, their appetite has now been at least partially sated, and other teams may find that extra bit of determination and leadership that can make the difference, so whether or not Donegal will be the best team in 2013 obviously remains to be seen.
Good interview with Horan here:
Horan blasts RTÉ All-Ireland 'bias'
By Terry Reilly
Tuesday, January 08, 2013
Mayo manager James Horan has accused RTÉ of influencing officials ahead of the All-Ireland final with a "biased" build-up in favour of Donegal.
The former All Star hit out at the national broadcaster before travelling with the team for a holiday in Miami and vowed that his side's potential would eventually prove Mayo's doubters wrong.
"There was a lot of commentary from some media sources that was factually incorrect and, quite frankly, idiotic stuff," he said.
"In a two-horse race, if you have the national broadcaster proclaiming about one team and one team only, that's going to influence officials and various things around the game.
"There should be no place for that type of biased discussion. It was completely unwarranted and incorrect. We'll eventually be proven right. Did it impact the game? It's hard to say."
Horan also believes the national media in general constantly talks down Mayo's chances and cited the analysis ahead of their game against Dublin in the All-Ireland semi-final.
"It didn't particularly annoy me but of course we notice that," he said in an interview with the Western People.
"Pretty much any big game we play is always about the other team in the media. If you were paranoid, you might think that the representation we get from the national media isn't fair or reflective, but you'd waste your time if you went down that road.
"It's pretty much all about how strong the opposition are and how are Mayo going to stop them rather than talking about what we can do, but as time passes, we're changing minds and changing attitudes, I think."
One thing he can't change, though, is the result from the final. He dismissed the notion he got his match-ups wrong against Donegal and put the loss down to basic mistakes made by Mayo players.
"I've heard a lot of discussion about match-ups in the All-Ireland final, but in a way that misses the point. We had as much possession in that game as we had against Down in the quarter-final but used it poorly at times.
"We had a lot of possession in the first 10 minutes. A lot of ball went into the full-forward line in the opening minutes that we didn't hold. If we had held that ball, we'd be having a different conversation. There's a range of things apart from the match-ups that, to me, are more important.
"I hear a lot about Michael Murphy winning that early ball but if you go back and ask why was that ball kicked in, why did Karl Lacey get the space to deliver such a fine pass? We had Barry [Moran], Aidan [O'Shea], Alan [Dillon], Jason [Doherty] out there and go back further than that — where did Donegal win the ball?
"Scores don't just come from the things that stick in people's minds, there much more to it than that. We always go back and look at why and where such things happened and that's the way we improve," he continued.
"Before Lacey kicked the ball in, there were guys who could have got tackles in and could have stopped it in the half-back line. There are always moments like that where we can improve, and we will.
"Michael Murphy got a great goal and fair play to him, but we were in a lot more control of the game than that early scoreline indicated and we didn't do our stuff. We made mistakes and gave Donegal the opportunities. That's where I focus my attention rather than just on obvious match-ups. The reasons behind the construction of the attack were much more important."
The experience of competing in the final, a game he believes Mayo should have won, will stand to his team though, and the biggest problem he has had since the game is resting players ahead of the season.
"We had to cool guys down in the weeks after the All-Ireland final because they wanted to get back to it again. They couldn't wait to start again, but we had to say 'hold on there'. It needed to be done in a controlled, scientific way, and that's what we have done.
"People are very keen and there's a great team spirit, a great sense of unity among the players. We've already some strong additions to the group and we're not finished yet, so fellas just can't wait to get back on the field again.
"We eradicated the seven-point deficit fairly quickly and 10 minutes into the second half we had opportunities we didn't take. It was the mistakes we made that ultimately cost us.
"The exciting thing is that we didn't play like we can, yet should have won the All-Ireland and that gives us huge scope in which to develop. That's what we're looking forward to and that's what we're working so hard on already to bring out in 2013.
"We had lost the All-Ireland final, but within 10 minutes I knew people would use the experience in the right way. From talking to the players, I knew that an even greater level of determination was building as we spoke.
"We were all disappointed and emotional and it was hard, but we sat down and analysed the game and said 'This is why we lost and this is what we must do to improve in those areas'. It was very practical and logical and everyone realised that a few little things cost us. So we went through that process before we left the dressing room and even later that night in the hotel there was a sense of 'onwards and upwards'.
"We're back in action next weekend and we can't wait to get started. We did okay in 2012, but compared to what this team is capable of, we didn't perform to 60% of our true potential.
"We got to two national finals last year, but didn't come anywhere what we are capable of. So the challenge for us now is to play to our potential. The team has huge skill levels and we're looking all the time to improve and drive on. We're working hard and we know that when we get things right, great things are possible."
Mayo boss reveals huge sacrifices of coaching role
Life as an inter-county manager requires huge sacrifices according to Mayo's James Horan.
Having led his county to the All-Ireland final against Donegal last year in just his second season with the team, he admitted the limited time he can devote to his wife and four children shows why so few managers stay in the job for long.
"I'm enjoying it, but it's very, very tough and extremely time-consuming," he said.
"Today, I've competed a day's work, got home and had dinner with the family before having six meetings between half seven and this interview at 11pm. Maybe that's why the life of a top-five inter-county manager is a short one because it's so high octane; but don't get me wrong, it's extremely enjoyable.
"You just have to try and make up for it in different ways.
"I try to minimise the time I'm away from home and try spend as much time as I can with Siobhán and the girls. Undoubtedly, some things do suffer because of the time required to do this job."
It's annoying when the media and figures within the GAA try to influence a referee ahead of a big game alright. Some might say he's talking out of both sides of his mouth though.
Mayo will always be talked down in big games until we go and win the thing, no point in wasting time complaining about it.
It's not exactly onwards and upwards if he is still harping on about last years final.
Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 08, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
Quote from: muppet on January 08, 2013, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 08, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
Sorry Muppet, i was writing a bit tongue in cheek about Brolly and the Referee. I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff. Brolly had put the Pressure on on Wednesday, Thursday was a time to put the pressure on the referee that he was really being told what to do by Brolly and not his own man. Speaking about it now is a waste of time.
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 08, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 08, 2013, 03:44:08 PM
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
Sorry Muppet, i was writing a bit tongue in cheek about Brolly and the Referee. I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff. Brolly had put the Pressure on on Wednesday, Thursday was a time to put the pressure on the referee that he was really being told what to do by Brolly and not his own man. Speaking about it now is a waste of time.
totally agree with you on this one. mayo should have issued a statement.
the problem with all the hype about defining what refereeing issues certain competing teams may pose, is that the hype exists. it's hype that's impossible not to notice given the hunger the media has in the build up to big games, and whoever reads it has to make a call on its relevance or not. like it or not, referees are swayed by managers and influential journos in the press. it's been happening in soccer for years and it happens in football too. internet forums are a bit of a battle ground too in this regard... i wouldn't be surprised if some officials read forums to take stock of the ideological positions against certain teams tactics if nothing else. i know i do.
it's seems to be part of the game. for better or worse, these days hype/briefing in the press is seen as a battleground for those who want to defend how certain teams play.
for what it's worth, mayo should've let fly themselves. it would've done them no harm making a nice balanced statement about brolly's. i thought brolly wanted us to win and was afraid we'd be damaged by an overly punitive ref who may have been swayed by general chatter about donegal fouling tactics slowing up the flow of the game to organise our defence.*
* this post in no way suggests that mayo have ever been guilty of using fouls to delay play in order to organise their defence.
Quote from: heffo on January 08, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
Heffo, think the Mayo posters here honestly don't know or have conveniently forgotten what you are referring to. Can they see the irony of it all?
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
Heffo, think the Mayo posters here honestly don't know or have conveniently forgotten what you are referring to. Can they see the irony of it all?
I Know what you are talking about, the GAA made a mess of the semi-final choice for referee (No fault of Dublin). I suppose it's Goose and Gander stuff really. ???
Quote from: heffo on January 08, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
It is one thing expressing concern regarding the appointment of a referee with a history of controversy involving your team, e.g. this goes on all the time in soccer, it is a different thing for a supposedly neutral pundit to stick his oar completely in on one side. I understand the Dubs being a bit sensitive on this but it wasn't an action against them, it was a genuine problem with a particular ref.
Brolly's was an attack on one of the teams, it didn't matter who the ref was, his agenda was against Mayo.
I think it's a pity that James had to say anything about the final now that the new season is about to commence. Time to forget Brolly; learn from previous mistakes and move on. The pity is that he said a lot in that interview that was meaningful and focussed and that showed he and his team mean to take up where they left off last year but the interview wouldn't be remembered for any of it.
And they should be in upbeat mood; they have plenty to feel satisfied about. Stuff Brolly!
I'm afraid that I think all that those who are aware of the interview will only recall the fact that Horan is still sore about Brolly and, by implication, is a poor loser.
I don't disagree with anything he had to say about the little f**ker but I don't think I'd have said it in public - not now anyway. Let the results this year do the talking for Horan and Mayo football.
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
It is one thing expressing concern regarding the appointment of a referee with a history of controversy involving your team, e.g. this goes on all the time in soccer, it is a different thing for a supposedly neutral pundit to stick his oar completely in on one side. I understand the Dubs being a bit sensitive on this but it wasn't an action against them, it was a genuine problem with a particular ref.
Brolly's was an attack on one of the teams, it didn't matter who the ref was, his agenda was against Mayo.
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
It is one thing expressing concern regarding the appointment of a referee with a history of controversy involving your team, e.g. this goes on all the time in soccer, it is a different thing for a supposedly neutral pundit to stick his oar completely in on one side. I understand the Dubs being a bit sensitive on this but it wasn't an action against them, it was a genuine problem with a particular ref.
Brolly's was an attack on one of the teams, it didn't matter who the ref was, his agenda was against Mayo.
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
Would you mind telling me Heffo, where the hypocrisy is?
I see no connection whatever between Joe Brolly going on a one-man campaign to vilify Mayo's style of play and some other commentators reacting to specific incidents.
It would be stretching the imagination, well, mine anyway, to say that O'Rourke, McStay or anyone one else was deliberately trying to influence any referee's decisions.
O'Rourke in his own droll way can be very sarcastic at times and he has had more goes at Mayo down the years than he's had at Dublin and at the time he said this, the Dubs were gettin' bet out the gate.
Sarcastic yes but deliberate policy to influence any ref at any time. Hardly, IMO.
Brolly had a lot more to say about Mayo's game plan than he said on TSG, a damn sight worse.
There was nothing cynical or premeditated about the wild, clumsy tackles a number of Mato players put in in the Dubs' match or in the AI either. I'm not making excuses for any of them but if Brolly is to be believed, mayo have taken cynicism to a new level.
Brolly was very critical of Donegal's tactics in 2011 and he lampooned the Dubs as 'the nearly men' when they imploded year after year before making the breakthrough in 2011.
No other commentator/pundit I know of ever went to the same length as Brolly to demonise any team he takes a dislike to.
In Mayo's case this year, he is the only one I can recall who accused them of adopting a cynical, pre-planned policy of deliberately fouling as part of their overall approach.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
There was nothing cynical or premeditated about the wild, clumsy tackles a number of Mato players put in in the Dubs' match or in the AI either.
*ahem*
So there was nothing premeditated to the fact that Mark McHugh, Karl Lacey and Michael Murphy all got "wild, clumsy" tackles in the opening period of the AI final?
Nothing wrong with trying to lay down your marker IMO, but don't pretend that it's a coincidence that our best players are the ones that shipped these fouls.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
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Personally, i don't think Brolly's comments had anything to do with the two Mayo players getting booked in the first couple of minutes, Referees are never influenced by the Media. And besides the comments were made on a Wednesday afternoon, not enough time for the referee do dwell on or eek into the subconscious. The same comments were made by McGuinness about Kildare in the AI QF in 2011, so i don't see the big deal. It's just idle comment!
I think Brolly knew exactly what he was doing.
However I also agree with Stephenite, Horan should say nothing until he has won Sam. Until then we are the easy target for the likes of Brolly.
I believe a back room coach from Mayo should have came out publicly on the Thursday and upped the anti on Brolly statement saying he was influencing the refereeing and call the referees bluff.
Would've looked a bit silly & hypocritical after what was said before the semi-final.
It is one thing expressing concern regarding the appointment of a referee with a history of controversy involving your team, e.g. this goes on all the time in soccer, it is a different thing for a supposedly neutral pundit to stick his oar completely in on one side. I understand the Dubs being a bit sensitive on this but it wasn't an action against them, it was a genuine problem with a particular ref.
Brolly's was an attack on one of the teams, it didn't matter who the ref was, his agenda was against Mayo.
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
Would you mind telling me Heffo, where the hypocrisy is?
I see no connection whatever between Joe Brolly going on a one-man campaign to vilify Mayo's style of play and some other commentators reacting to specific incidents.
It would be stretching the imagination, well, mine anyway, to say that O'Rourke, McStay or anyone one else was deliberately trying to influence any referee's decisions.
O'Rourke in his own droll way can be very sarcastic at times and he has had more goes at Mayo down the years than he's had at Dublin and at the time he said this, the Dubs were gettin' bet out the gate.
Sarcastic yes but deliberate policy to influence any ref at any time. Hardly, IMO.
Brolly had a lot more to say about Mayo's game plan than he said on TSG, a damn sight worse.
There was nothing cynical or premeditated about the wild, clumsy tackles a number of Mato players put in in the Dubs' match or in the AI either. I'm not making excuses for any of them but if Brolly is to be believed, mayo have taken cynicism to a new level.
Brolly was very critical of Donegal's tactics in 2011 and he lampooned the Dubs as 'the nearly men' when they imploded year after year before making the breakthrough in 2011.
No other commentator/pundit I know of ever went to the same length as Brolly to demonise any team he takes a dislike to.
In Mayo's case this year, he is the only one I can recall who accused them of adopting a cynical, pre-planned policy of deliberately fouling as part of their overall approach.
The hypocricy (in my opinion) is on the one hand getting local Mayo journalists to ask you soft questions so you can raise the issue of Joe McQuillan, put pressure on the referee ahead of the Semi-final and get the desired result. The talk was all over the media (ignoring his performance when he reffed us v Tyrone in 2010 and he gave them a staggering amount of undeserved frees + the fact he should have given a penalty for Brosnan handling on the ground).
Then whinging when someone else uses the media or his position in the media to attempt to influence a referee.
Exact same thing in my opinion.
This isn't the supreme court - Brolly and the rest of them are never neutral.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 09, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
There was nothing cynical or premeditated about the wild, clumsy tackles a number of Mato players put in in the Dubs' match or in the AI either.
*ahem*
So there was nothing premeditated to the fact that Mark McHugh, Karl Lacey and Michael Murphy all got "wild, clumsy" tackles in the opening period of the AI final?
Nothing wrong with trying to lay down your marker IMO, but don't pretend that it's a coincidence that our best players are the ones that shipped these fouls.
And *ahem* to you also. ;D
Donegal started at a blistering pace and had gone 2-01 up after a few minutes. Mayo were lucky it wasn't 3-01 to nil before they got off their marks. Memories of '04 and '06 were on their minds and the whole lot of them were at panic stations before they got into the game at all.
Mark McHugh, Karl Lacey and Michael Murphy all got "wild, clumsy" tackles in that opening period because they were running their markers ragged and their tackles too place in full view of the referee. There was nothing pre-planned or coordinated in them. It was a case of everyman for himself.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Whether he did it from a pulpit, his Gaelic life column or The Mail on Sunday - the principle is still the same imo.
Manipulate the media for your own purposes ahead of the semi-final.
Complain when someone else does the same ahead of the final.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Whether he did it from a pulpit, his Gaelic life column or The Mail on Sunday - the principle is still the same imo.
Manipulate the media for your own purposes ahead of the semi-final.
Complain when someone else does the same ahead of the final.
Ok, so what were Brolly's purposes for manipulating the media before the game?
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Whether he did it from a pulpit, his Gaelic life column or The Mail on Sunday - the principle is still the same imo.
Manipulate the media for your own purposes ahead of the semi-final.
Complain when someone else does the same ahead of the final.
Ok, so what were Brolly's purposes for manipulating the media before the game?
Couldn't tell you - maybe he wanted an Ulster team to win, maybe he just doesn't like Mayo.
The end result was the same. Hence my opinion of wherein lies the hypocricy.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 01:50:26 PM
The hypocricy (in my opinion) is on the one hand getting local Mayo journalists to ask you soft questions so you can raise the issue of Joe McQuillan, put pressure on the referee ahead of the Semi-final and get the desired result. The talk was all over the media (ignoring his performance when he reffed us v Tyrone in 2010 and he gave them a staggering amount of undeserved frees + the fact he should have given a penalty for Brosnan handling on the ground).
Then whinging when someone else uses the media or his position in the media to attempt to influence a referee.
Exact same thing in my opinion.
This isn't the supreme court - Brolly and the rest of them are never neutral.
That's fair enough, IMO.
Joe Mac did get a fair bit of stick not only from Mayo people but from a lot of other also before that semi.
However, I don't recall Horan or any of the Mayo management going public about their reservations before that game. Maybe they did but I wouldn't have agreed with them if that was the case. I'm not referring only to what Brolly had to say about Mayo's tactics during the Dublin match.
He was really quite vicious and gratuitously insulting in his reviews of the final in the Sindo and in the Derry Journal.
He had a right go at Alan Dillon in particular. Dillon, according to him, lacked moral fibre. He never showed up for the game and he and a habit of disappearing in every game when the pressure came on.
He was "a craven Mayo stereotype." O'Rourke on the other hand in his piece in the Sindo, praised Mayo's efforts in the first half to get back into the game after the dreadful start and mentioned Dillon as one who took the fight to Donegal. Eugene McGee was another who praised Dillon's efforts also. I can't think offhand of any other but I have yet to see anyone of note who feels the whole goddamn lot are a bunch of cynical, whining losers.
In spite of Brolly's opinion of him, Dillon went on to win an All-Star.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Whether he did it from a pulpit, his Gaelic life column or The Mail on Sunday - the principle is still the same imo.
Manipulate the media for your own purposes ahead of the semi-final.
Complain when someone else does the same ahead of the final.
Ok, so what were Brolly's purposes for manipulating the media before the game?
Couldn't tell you - maybe he wanted an Ulster team to win, maybe he just doesn't like Mayo.
The end result was the same. Hence my opinion of wherein lies the hypocricy.
I note that you are not arguing against his bias. Interesting. Can I take it you agree he was biased?
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
Pundits on TSG aren't neutral though - neither are commentators.
E.g - Colm O'Rourke - Dublin will be beaten and their fans will be in the pub in time to watch their second favourite team play Ecquador
E.g - Kevin McStay - 'Oh no, no, no, he can't, I can't believe he's doing this, he's given Dublin a free
I can give a thousand more example too to bias from pundits and commentators.
The end result is the same - putting pressure on a referee ahead of a game to acheive a particular result. You can't have it both ways.
I don't believe Dubs are the least bit sensitive on the issue - Mayo won fair and square. Just pointing out the hypocricy.
But Brolly wasn't on the Sunday Game, he did it on a Wednesday.
Whether he did it from a pulpit, his Gaelic life column or The Mail on Sunday - the principle is still the same imo.
Manipulate the media for your own purposes ahead of the semi-final.
Complain when someone else does the same ahead of the final.
Ok, so what were Brolly's purposes for manipulating the media before the game?
Couldn't tell you - maybe he wanted an Ulster team to win, maybe he just doesn't like Mayo.
The end result was the same. Hence my opinion of wherein lies the hypocricy.
I note that you are not arguing against his bias. Interesting. Can I take it you agree he was biased?
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence.
I guess Horan took quotes like the above personally. I think I would too.
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence.
I guess Horan took quotes like the above personally. I think I would too.
Not sure why he would. Most counties cynically foul and haul down players. Dublin included. Don't think anyone who engages or sends a team out to cynically foul would take criticism of it personally.
The crux of his point (and my response to it) was Horan complaining about referee's being influenced ahead of games by a section of the media.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence.
I guess Horan took quotes like the above personally. I think I would too.
Not sure why he would. Most counties cynically foul and haul down players. Dublin included. Don't think anyone who engages or sends a team out to cynically foul would take criticism of it personally.
The crux of his point (and my response to it) was Horan complaining about referee's being influenced ahead of games by a section of the media.
If that is true, can you explain Brolly's outburst then?
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence.
I guess Horan took quotes like the above personally. I think I would too.
Not sure why he would. Most counties cynically foul and haul down players. Dublin included. Don't think anyone who engages or sends a team out to cynically foul would take criticism of it personally.
The crux of his point (and my response to it) was Horan complaining about referee's being influenced ahead of games by a section of the media.
If that is true, can you explain Brolly's outburst then?
I've no time or interest in doing so.
I made the point about the hypocricy and I believe have backed up and demonstrated that.
You can agree or disagree with that point.
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 09, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
I've no opinion on whether he's biased or not.
My contribution to the thread was the hypocricy of Horan.
Quote"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence.
I guess Horan took quotes like the above personally. I think I would too.
Not sure why he would. Most counties cynically foul and haul down players. Dublin included. Don't think anyone who engages or sends a team out to cynically foul would take criticism of it personally.
The crux of his point (and my response to it) was Horan complaining about referee's being influenced ahead of games by a section of the media.
If that is true, can you explain Brolly's outburst then?
I've no time or interest in doing so.
I made the point about the hypocricy and I believe have backed up and demonstrated that.
You can agree or disagree with that point.
You also have really helped point out the nub of Brolly's misbehaviour.
John Fogarty does a good analysis on the interview and sums up my opinion on the interview in this article here:
Mayo start 2013 on the attack
Having a blast at RTE's Gaelic games coverage seems to be a rite of passage for top GAA officials.
In 2011, Jim McGuinness took The Sunday Game to task for comments following their Ulster game against Antrim.
At the end of last year, Dublin chief executive John Costello criticised the national broadcasters for what he perceived as a lack of Gaelic games coverage.
That's not to mention the seven inter-county managers who in 2011 initially refused to speak to RTE after sending a letter highlighting their alarm at the apparent downgrading of commentator Brian Carthy.
Nor is it considering former Dublin boss Tommy Lyon's dig at RTE and analyst Martin McHugh last year.
The latest attack by James Horan is nothing out of the ordinary even if it is coming from the usually mild-mannered Mayo manager.
McGuinness' ire was directed at Pat Spillane but just who was James Horan talking about when he said: "In a two-horse race, if you have the national broadcaster proclaiming about one team and one team only, that's going to influence officials and various things around the game.
"There should be no place for that type of biased discussion. It was completely unwarranted and incorrect. We'll eventually be proven right. Did it impact the game? It's hard to say."
We'll take an educated stab at this one and say Joe Brolly is the prime subject of Horan's disgruntlement.
In the build-up to the All-Ireland final, the RTE pundit spoke and wrote about Mayo's tactical fouling. This, in spite of Donegal who earlier in the summer could have been accused of the same against Tyrone and Kerry.
Brolly's cut at Mayo was a deep one. He told RTE Radio One three days before the final: "I had not noticed it during the Dublin game. I was conscious that they were pulling down the Dublin players as they were trying to mount attacks, but when I watched the video again the statistics were, even by modern standards, shocking.
"There were 27 times where a Dublin player was trying to work his way forward and he was simply held or pulled down.
"Of those 27 times there were 22 frees given by referee Joe McQuillan; three times he waved advantage and on three occasions he missed it altogether.
"But there was not a single yellow card, and it was a massive feature of the game that Mayo were able to disrupt Dublin in that way.
"It was endemic throughout the field. It was seriously disruptive. It is a matter for them how they choose to play. It is, though cynical fouling. I'm talking about tactical fouls. That is supposed to be a yellow card offence. It was difficult to see it on the day because obviously everyone was supporting Mayo."
Brolly is one of the most insightful pundits in the game but he does so a lot of the time wearing his Ulster hat. Kerry supporters need no reminding of that in the lead-up to the 2005 and '08 All-Ireland finals.
His forensic analysis of Mayo's dark arts wasn't extended to Donegal who committed 25 of 43 fouls and earned five yellow cards in their quarter-final win over Kerry.
Against Tyrone, Donegal fouled almost twice as many times as their opponents yet each team were handed out four yellow cards.
Horan's comments are ironic considering the amount of former Mayo players and managers who work with RTE and the wider media.
Martin Carney, although born in Donegal but very much an assimilated Mayo man, and Kevin McStay are the national broadcasters' leading game summarisers.
John Maughan works extensively with RTE Radio during the summer while Liam McHale either has contributed plenty on radio. Only David Brady said anything.
Not that Horan would expect it but from the horde of former Mayo players working in the press, only one took exception to what Brolly said about Mayo.
The same can't be said of McHugh in regards to McGuinness who played a blinder for Donegal last year. Even if he was outnumbered, he certainly wasn't outgunned.
If Brolly was the bad cop, he was the good one. In the All-Ireland series up to the final, he couldn't see Donegal beating anyone. Cork were going to win, Kerry were going to win. But did he actually believe it? McHugh's son Mark is, of course, a mainstay in the team and the 1992 All-Ireland winner has never made any secret of his friendship with McGuinness.
What Horan's comments have done is raise the temperature of their rivalry with Donegal. The embers of September had been well and truly stoked by Aidan O'Shea before Christmas when he accused the All-Ireland champions of cynical play in the final.
"I don't just think it, (I know it), It's obvious if you look back over the tape," he said. "You can see the referee brought the ball up on numerous occasions but it's only 15 yards. It made no difference to Donegal because they get players behind the ball."
McGuinness' response to O'Shea's claim was a mixture of bewilderment and indignation: "He felt we were cynical!" At social occasions since September, aggrieved Donegal players haven't been afraid to confront those from other teams who have questioned their style in the press. This writer knows of one incident over the winter. Expect some sulphur, then, when the counties meet in Castlebar on March 24.
What can't be lost here either is Horan himself is no daw when it comes to working the media for his own benefit.
Before the All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin which was refereed by Joe McQuillan, he took full advantage of a question about the amount of Dublin's 2011 Championship games the Cavan man had officiated in (four of six games) and the rumours of him taking charging of in-house Dublin matches.
"I have a lot of Kerry friends from last year that weren't too happy with some of his decisions but sin scéal eile. The referee has been appointed. The review committee is there to judge referees and that's not for us to do. I'm sure refereeing A versus B games will have no bearing on his performance against us in Croker."
As well as being a sports psychologist with Mayo, Kieran Shannon of this parish is also an award-winning journalist. It would be remiss not to suggest some pearls of wisdom haven't been passed on.
It's becoming more obvious just how much the media mean to inter-county managements. Just look at how Donegal's has used it to rally against some of the Football Review Committee proposals.
What Horan has done is laid down a marker. Mayo, for so long people's second favourite team because of their style with a healthy dollop of their perennial bridesmaid tag, aren't going to tolerate pity or uber-criticism. It's a path McGuinness has already taken.
Mayo are an upward curve, following up a semi-final appearance with a final one. They are entitled to the respect Horan feels they deserve.
Isn't that more refreshing than playing the poor mouth?
I think the reason why there is such a reaction to the article is because Horan is known as a nice timid man my who rarely makes comments the have the potiental to become explosive, like previous Mayo teams.
You really need to read the full article in the Western to get a proper grip on the interview. It is essentially an interview reviewing the 2012 season. Horan is asked a broad range of questions including, the FBD league, the national league, the progress of Barry Moran, the Conor Mortimer issue, the national media, the All-Ireland final, to name a few.
Don't under estimate the astuteness of Horan. There's more to this interview than people think like the one he done before the Dublin game. You need to read between the lines.
Personnally, I was glad Horan came out and gave his honest opinion of the media as we've put up with the same sh**e from them every year. He was given the opportunity before the final to blast the media but he merely said look at the stats and your opinion may be different of us. This is the right time of year to be lashing out as the players have not got into the serious stuff yet so it's not a big deal if they're distracted by this taboo. Again Horan's cute nature coming to the fore. As Fogarty says he's an awarding wining journalist in his back room team and he wouldn't shy away from a few tips from him I'm sure.
I'm a big fan of Horan and I believe he's the man to lead us to glory but I as suprised he laid the blame of the two goals on certain players. Although the play leading up to the goals were partly to blame for the goals, I was diappointed he didn't take some of the blame for the goals as the match-ups were clearly wrong as he changed them a few minutes after the goals. Maybe he said all of this to protect Keane as its only his first year playing for Mayo. As I've said already don't under estimate the shrewdness of James.
Damn Fogarty lifting my post to write his article
I came across this again - Keith Duggan from 2005, Irish Times
It is a pity the Follower missed last September
Sideline Cut: It is a pity The Follower was not around to post his views on yesterday's farce in Australia. "They shall be spoken of amongst their people."
- The Follower, March 1988, the Donegal Democrat.
The sudden death of the inimitable Donegal Democrat columnist draws a silence on a GAA voice that was, in its way, as remarkable and original as those of O'Hehir or Ó Muircheartaigh. He wrote from a perspective that was as impassioned and instantly recognisable as the vintage Paddy Downey or John D Hickey or Pádraig Puirséal. A Convoy native who lived in Dromod, Co Leitrim, he had a foot in both counties and kept a close eye on Longford for good measure. But Donegal football was his love. From 1987 until April of this year, his weekly dispatch read like an open letter to the various generations of Donegal footballers, addressing them by first name only. And he regularly implored the Greek gods and Brian McEniff - The Follower placed Virgil and the Bundoran man on the same pedestal and often in the same line - to give it one more year, always one more year. Latin, Irish and English were his languages of choice. Born in the early 1930s, Cormac McGill was a classic Irish romantic, steeped in the language and song and unwaveringly true to the strong, anti-British rhetoric that would have been the common currency of his youth. Time never diminished the flame of those feelings, and although he was much too clever not to know that Ireland had become much too soft and wealthy to be stirred by his indignation, he never contemplated altering his stance. The Longford Leader, for whom he penned Leitrim notes, recalled a visit to the newspaper by a British ambassador in the early 1990s, with the ceasefire imminent. The Follower registered his protest by sheltering in a darkened corner of the Harbour Bar until the invasion passed. One of his last columns in the Democrat lamented the fact that Donegal had, to his eternal dismay, been among the counties to opt in favour of ending Rule 42. Under the heading "West Brits Win Out", he wrote: "Within five minutes of the decision by Coisde Chonndae Dún na nGall to permit the foreign games into Croke Park, the news reached me here in Leitrim. I was shocked. Dún na nGall. My Dún na nGall, the last bastion of our native language."
The Follower came into being through a happy accident. Gerry McDermott, now the soccer correspondent for the Irish Independent, was covering the Under-21 All-Ireland final between Kerry and Donegal in Roscommon when he was introduced to a grey-haired, bespectacled man who spoke in the soothing tones of a practised schoolteacher about Donegal football through the decades. Out of the blue, a missive was sent to the Democrat offices with notes on the game "From One Who Was There". To McDermott and Michael Daly, now the editor of the Derry Journal group, the emergence of someone who had been attending Ulster championship games since 1939 was like a godsend. They hatched the title of The Follower in the office and the column took off, a frequently beseeching, often funny and sometimes tearful commentary on the highs and lows of Donegal football - and there are only ever extremes where that subject is concerned. "No more will Paddy take the boat to England," he declared triumphantly after flying to watch Donegal play London in Ruislip, "to work on sites and eat Pedigree Chum," a sentiment that seems outrageous until you consider the subject of the novels of his namesake Patrick McGill. "Sam, Tá Fáilte Romhat," he wrote after the 1992 All-Ireland final. "I told you last week this would be my headline. I believed all along it would be my year." He did. He believed that most years. He did not always get it right. Excited by Donegal's dramatic draw against Dublin in front of 70,000 people in 2002, he predicted that his heroes would destroy the city boys a week later: "As Marie Antoinette, Banríon na Fraince, said: Après Moi, Le Deluge."On other days, he hit more mellow notes. "I never was a showband aficionado, my terpsichorean energies being mostly céilí. If you 'squared' a wee lass, then it was a great céilí. If you got 'shot down' it was a useless céilí or dance. Maybe things are different nowadays."For years, the identity of The Follower remained a secret. On Saturday night in the 1980s, Michael Daly found himself taking heat in a Kerry bar from some Donegal supporters outraged by a recent column. As Daly stood his corner, he looked across the pub and saw The Follower himself happily banging away at a piano, a half-one standing on the lid of the instrument, oblivious to the commotion. "Nero plays while Rome burns" - a phrase The Follower often employed - came to Daly's mind.
Although he was loyal to Pearse's vision and a trenchant Gaeilgeoir, The Follower was never a bore or a crank. Rather, he took sustenance from the future and from youth, always dreamily optimistic about the year ahead. If he could envisage booking into "the Dergvale for the August bed agus bricfeasta", then fine things were in store for Donegal football. In humdrum times, he ruminated on the great days and on young prospects. The likes of Ovid were quite likely to crop up in a column about training in Castlefin. In fact, there was a period when Rambo Gavigan was injured that several of us hoped The Follower, with McEniff's blessing and a divine intercession, might succeed in having the poet Horace line out at centre-half for a relegation tussle against Offaly.Tied down by age in recent years, he roamed compulsively for most of his life and regularly ended his columns with a Focal Scor, praising the tea, apple tart and conversation he had been treated to in houses in the Border counties he loved. This week, they came in droves to his house in Dromod. Generations of the footballers he had idolised down the years, friends, readers. In a strange week in Ireland, when bewildered priests poured their hearts out to Joe Duffy, one man of the cloth was able to stand up on the altar and celebrate Cormac McGill's wholehearted devotion to his faith, to his family and to Irish culture. The Follower column was just a small part of a rich life, but it is safe to say Donegal football will never be the same.
Reminded me of this ....
The day the dream came true
Published on Friday 21 September 2012 11:45
My father, Cormac, attended his first Donegal football match in 1937 at the tender age of 5. His uncle George, a footballer of some note, made his bow for Donegal in the first round of the championship against Antrim that year and brought my father with him to carry his boots.
In such a simple manner was a lifelong love affair with Donegal football born; it was an affair that would frustrate, enrage, surprise, disappoint, amuse and delight in approximately equal measure throughout his 68 years following his beloved green and gold. But it was a love to which he was eternally faithful even in its darkest days.
Exiled in Leitrim from the early 70s, the fortunes of Donegal football and the county team became (to my innocent eyes at least) a crazy obsession for my father; normally an intelligent, calm and prescient observer of life, he was apt to lose all sense of reason and reasonableness at the thought, sight or subject of Donegal football. In the pages of the Democrat, from 1987 to his death in 2005, he chronicled the journey of successive Donegal teams in their quest for glory under the pseudonym of The Follower.
It is hard to describe just how consumed by Donegal football my father was. He literally ate, drank and slept it. It dictated his moods and dominated his view of the world.
Now I know my father loved me dearly, as any father loves a son. But there were genuinely times that all in our family wondered where we stood in relation to Donegal football! For instance, growing up in Leitrim, it was always my dream to some day play for the county; in 1990, that chance finally arrived when I was picked to play on the Leitrim team that would face (wait for it) Donegal in the U-16 Ted Webb Cup. Just before I got out of the car to go into the dressing rooms, the Follower asked for a quick word. He was proud of me he said, his only son going out to play his first intercounty game. He wished me luck, said he hoped I'd play well but that despite all of this he wanted me to know he'd be cheering for Donegal and he hoped I understood!!
On another occasion, when a Donegal championship meeting with Down in the late 80s clashed with my sister's confirmation, The Follower was entirely indignant at my mother's insistence that he attend the confirmation and not the match! In the end it was only the intervention of the Parish Priest that swung the debate – the Padre felt (most reasonably in fairness) that while missing his daughter's confirmation to attend a Donegal game was pretty much his own business, abandoning the rest of the children he had prepared for the Sacrament as Master of the local school was a rather more serious matter entirely!
Thus you will appreciate there is no hint of exaggeration when I say that he considered 1992 to be the pinnacle of his entire life! He told us with a tear in his eye after Mayo were beaten in the semi-final that he could die happy knowing he had lived to see Donegal qualify for an All Ireland final. He had no intention of dying of course (at least not until he knew whether it was Manus or Tommy Ryan that was getting the nod for the final!!) but there was no doubting he meant every word of it.
That glorious September game will doubtless be recalled elsewhere in these pages. Suffice to say, it was the magnum opus of a generation of sublimely talented Donegal footballers. I will never forget the emotional post match reunion with my Dad at the back of the Hogan Stand perhaps an hour after the final whistle. Despite being a man who thoroughly enjoyed a drink throughout his life, he had his mind made up that there would be no drinking in the days that followed - he wanted to remember every wonderful moment of the day and the celebrations unaffected by any illusionary effects the alcohol might generate!!
In the weeks after the final, the Follower did as his alias suggested he should – he followed! As Sam made his way through the towns and villages of Donegal, my dad disappeared for sometimes days on end as he kept on the trail of Donegal's newest citizen. Nobody minded that he was missing – it was his time, his moment and we understood that instinctively.
And a few weeks later he was enormously proud to greet his good friend and then Donegal goalkeeper Gary Walsh at the door of our house in Leitrim, Sam Maguire in tow. As my mother and sisters lined up to get the pictures taken with the affable Ballyshannon man, The Follower, in his own inimitable style said simply "Nunc Dimittis". It was a biblical reference to the Song of Simeon - "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace according to thy word; For mine eyes have seen thy salvation"
Mind you, the Follower continued to ruminate on the fortunes of Donegal football in these pages right up until his death in 2005. He gloried in Donegal's successes; he despaired in their defeats. He watched the video of 1992 once a week for 13 years. He must have known the commentary off by heart!! And I swear he visibly tensed in his seat every time Charlie Redmond stood over that penalty at the Canal End. He was never fully sure it had all really happened you see and he dreaded that on one of those showings, Charlie just might find the back of the net!! Years and years of disappointment and hurt will do that to you I suppose.
Unfortunately, The Follower didn't live to see the current crop in action, but he would have approved enormously of what they have achieved in the last two years, and especially in the face of what has often felt like begrudgery from the broader GAA and media world. He would have approved heartily too of Jim McGuinness being at the helm. He always had a soft spot for big Jim.
But it is the character of this Donegal team, their willingness to work until the last drop of sweat has fallen from their brows, their togetherness on the field, their desire to triumph against the odds and against the perceived wisdom of how football has always been played, that would have resonated most with the Follower. For these are the very characteristics – of hard work, unity and innovation - that for generations have sustained and distinguished Donegal men and women, and made successes of those who have had to leave the rocky soil of the North West to seek a better life in Glasgow, Birmingham, Boston or Brisbane.
Another favourite Latin refrain of the Follower was that of "Per ardua ad astra"; in simple language it means "by hard ways to the stars". This Donegal side have chosen and bought into hard ways of a type endured by no other Gaelic Football team in the history of the sport.
I trust on Sunday they will finally reach their stars.
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