Looks like the game will be played in Longford. I reckon this should be a good game on the back of Sligo and Cork to get a little bit of confidence going in the side again and mabye even a run going in the qualifiers. If we cant beat Longford then we have lost a seriously big amount of ground in 2 games! I certainly cant see Mayo playing as badly again as they have!
Road to Sam here we go!! ;) :D ;D ::)
I welcome our Mayo friends across the Shannon for our first championship meeting.
Let's hope it's a sunny warm evening and let's look forward to good football and good craic.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 13, 2010, 09:38:55 PM
I welcome our Mayo friends across the Shannon for our first championship meeting.
Let's hope it's a sunny warm evening and let's look forward to good football and good craic.
Yes! Isn't that what it's all about!! Looking forward to it! :)
I watched a bit of the Longford v Louth game on rte.ie and based on the comments here had expected them to be awful. Although they lost in the end they weren't at all bad and should put up a good show at home in this one.
Having said that, it's a win win situation for Mayo because if we lose this game we really are far better off out of it for this year.
Mayo have had some bad days in Longford. I remember Crossmolina losing an All-Ireland semi there in 2000, a very grey, wet day, and getting hammered out the gate by Down on a sunny day in a semi in the Under-21 Championship last year or the year before.
Very strange to not a have a bog what Mayo team will start in a fortnight. Very disorienting feeling.
But thank you for the sporting welcome Shamrock. Please God the weather will be good and we'll have a good game, however it turns out.
Would Mayo put this down as a banker?
not a banker though it should.
QuoteWould Mayo put this down as a banker?
It is a Seanie Fitzpatrick.
Is anyone (maybe Abbeysider) able to throw some light on the Dillon rumour going around?
As was said above this draw is a win win situation.
Maybe we will get a reaction and get a championship victory under our belts.
If the unthinkable happens we will have reached the lowest point and the major changes needed will come about.
Given that the game is going to be in Pearse Park it also puts it up to our lads that little bit more. You would hope that there will be a reaction but the worry is that things are so rotten behind the scenes that everybody just wants it all to end.
On the positive side I think we needed a winnable draw if we were to have thoughts of going on any kind of run. Get over this one and we have another 2 weeks to prepare for another game.
A lot will depend on the team selected. It has to be hoped that the manager now makes the brave calls. Get over his selection of captain and drop Trevor. Some form of definite game plan is called for. In so many ways it is too late but better late than never.
Another fáilte from me here for the wide-kickers - we'll show you how it's done. ;D
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:05:24 AM
Another fáilte from me here for the wide-kickers - we'll show you how it's done. ;D
Do you mean yer lot can kick/fist/head more wides than ours? ;D
I didn't think any team would be in our league but fair play to youse if ye score more wides than we surely will.
Not a bad draw for ye lads, should get ye back on track.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 14, 2010, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:05:24 AM
Another fáilte from me here for the wide-kickers - we'll show you how it's done. ;D
Do you mean yer lot can kick/fist/head more wides than ours? ;D
I didn't think any team would be in our league but fair play to youse if ye score more wides than we surely will.
Hey Lár, we score so little we even cheer our wides. But we'll be up for a good slaggin' match. ;)
I'll start. Hey youse shower, youse think Billy Joe Padden can't kick snow off a rope - wait til youse see our lads. And Big Niall is warming up (down in Luigis).
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 14, 2010, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:05:24 AM
Another fáilte from me here for the wide-kickers - we'll show you how it's done. ;D
Do you mean yer lot can kick/fist/head more wides than ours? ;D
I didn't think any team would be in our league but fair play to youse if ye score more wides than we surely will.
Hey Lár, we score so little we even cheer our wides. But we'll be up for a good slaggin' match. ;)
I'll start. Hey youse shower, youse think Billy Joe Padden can't kick snow off a rope - wait til youse see our lads. And Big Niall is warming up (down in Luigis).
fine player , some bolg on him jaysis ,
agree with all here , good draw this , will test us and should be a win , if it is not a win then it will be the loss needed to cause serious reconstruction...
Looking forward to it. Horslips in Cork were on that night but that's cancelled so I'll head to Longford and stand in my usual spot behind the town goal to suck in the ball in one half and blow it out the other.
On paper Mayo should have this handy but feck all games are won on paper. I can see Longford being up for this and Glenn Ryan will want to have something on his CV as he looks over to the Curragh for his next assignment.
Well surely to Jesus our lads should be up for this one. But I still am not convinced about McGarrity at centre-field. He offered nothing for Ballina yesterday in the second half when things were tight. We all know that this is a huge game for Johnno and Co. We should win it, if the heads are right, however if any sort of complacency set in at all and it becomes a dogfight, Mayo could be in serious trouble. If it's not a dogfight, we will win it handily.
Suppose throwin will be at 7.30?
QuoteI can see Longford being up for this and Glenn Ryan will want to have something on his CV as he looks over to the Curragh for his next assignment.
Whats the opinion on Glenn up there SS?
Castlebar Mitchels played Eire Og of Carlow the year we got to the Club Final (the less said about that the better) in Longford. And that trip taught me how to avoid the traffic jam in the middle of the town.
I'll be there but the question is whether it is worth making an overnight trip? If we had got Donegal or someone like that I'd stay up the Saturday but Longford isn't too far from Dublin. What do the locals think?
Dinny
I am not quite sure what the view of Glen is. Certainly his right hand man (physical fitness) has few friends but as for Ryan himself perhaps Laurel would have more of an insight.
Muppet
Stay where you are. Dublin - Longford is a shortish run with the good roads. I dont think there'd be much to see of a Sat night in Longford except the rows outside of the chippers!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 14, 2010, 12:18:57 PM
QuoteI can see Longford being up for this and Glenn Ryan will want to have something on his CV as he looks over to the Curragh for his next assignment.
Whats the opinion on Glenn up there SS?
I've heard that Glen has an appetite for work that isn't shared by his protegés. And that he doesn't suffer, ahem, fools gladly. Wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wrong, to be brief.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 14, 2010, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 14, 2010, 09:05:24 AM
Another fáilte from me here for the wide-kickers - we'll show you how it's done. ;D
Do you mean yer lot can kick/fist/head more wides than ours? ;D
I didn't think any team would be in our league but fair play to youse if ye score more wides than we surely will.
Hey Lár, we score so little we even cheer our wides. But we'll be up for a good slaggin' match. ;)
I'll start. Hey youse shower, youse think Billy Joe Padden can't kick snow off a rope - wait til youse see our lads. And Big Niall is warming up (down in Luigis).
Had to laugh at that one, i know the chippers around Lucan are well down profit wise since he went back home!!! :D
Glenn certainly doesn't suffer fools and is a very stubborn man, he's a winner though and I'd say the Longford gig is killing him on the inside, pity it hasn't worked out.
Many see he him as the heir apparent alright, I'd like to see his next management gig be his own club first though..
Dates, Times & Venues for first round of the Football Qualifiers
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/06/14/dates-times-venues-for-first-round-of-the-football-qualifiers/
So this Mayo game will be played the day before Sligo v Galway Semi final is on.. & this is really where the defeat to Sligo will sink in when they to travel Pearse Park on a Saturday night
We never had any problems beating longford so IMO will be a major surprise if Mayo slip up here
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 14, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
Dinny
I am not quite sure what the view of Glen is. Certainly his right hand man (physical fitness) has few friends but as for Ryan himself perhaps Laurel would have more of an insight.
My lips are sealed to protect the innocent.
Quote from: ross4life on June 14, 2010, 05:34:39 PM
So this Mayo game will be played the day before Sligo v Galway Semi final is on.. & this is really where the defeat to Sligo will sink in when they to travel Pearse Park on a Saturday night
We never had any problems beating longford so IMO will be a major surprise if Mayo slip up here
they'll be off again if they beat longford by more than a point. Another handy draw for the next round and there will be talk of Sam again. It's like the stock market . When the dollar loses value they're off into the emerging markets and talking risk appetite and nothing will stop them until something goes arseways and the next thing the dollar rises and its all hands on deck and close off all risk positions. Just like Mayo this year. Very volatile.
Trevor Howley can be our Paul Galvin. Midfielders don't catch as many clean balls anymore so you need someone in there who can win dirty ball and carry it at pace. Trev Howley is that man. Start him at 10. He does that role so well for Knockmore. Also Declan Sweeney would be an ideal no.6, as fit as i've ever seen him. He obviously won't be picked or brought into the panel because that is unheard of in Mayo.
Pat Harte looks way off the pace and Mcgarrity needs to cut the crankiness. He is like a bitch on the pitch!
Harte has a torn groin. This game clashes with the minor championship match v Roscommon afaik.
It appears to be a cant lose game for us as it seems, ( if this is possible) that Longford are in even more distress than we are and are only killing out time on the Ryan era.
Quote from: moysider on June 14, 2010, 08:42:15 PM
This game clashes with the minor championship match v Roscommon afaik.
Yep it does but i guess the Connacht gaa will switch that game to Sunday if they have common sense ???
QuoteThis game clashes with the minor championship match v Roscommon afaik
Fcuk all chance then that the Longford v Mayo game will be on Shannonside so (or Shiteside or Roscommonside as it it known in Longford) :-\
IolarCoisCuain, add the minor defeat to Tyrone to that list in the replay. I honestly think this could be a major problem for Mayo. If the players aren't up for it, if its a wet miserable day like when Longford scared the life out of Kerry, then i honestly foresee Mayo wilting. If that is the case though, then they are better out of it altogether.
Quote from: ross4life on June 14, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 14, 2010, 08:42:15 PM
This game clashes with the minor championship match v Roscommon afaik.
Yep it does but i guess the Connacht gaa will switch that game to Sunday if they have common sense ???
Yeah, but Galway and Sligo are playing on the Sunday.
Quote from: Blue and Navy on June 14, 2010, 11:27:19 PM
IolarCoisCuain, add the minor defeat to Tyrone to that list in the replay. I honestly think this could be a major problem for Mayo. If the players aren't up for it, if its a wet miserable day like when Longford scared the life out of Kerry, then i honestly foresee Mayo wilting. If that is the case though, then they are better out of it altogether.
Better Pearse Park than McHale Park. Mayo running out there with the place empty would definitely finish us. Players in the county hate the place to a man as it is anyway. No atmosphere for league or club games nothing.
Mayo s major problem - and they have many- is morale. That will not be cured easily. Even a win in Longford wont help much. It wont even register back home where the team has become a joke. Supporters who do go will keep it to themselves if they don't want to be laughed about. I dont envy these players. Last week one of them at least was seriously verbally abused at his place of work.
Oscar Wilde's last words, supposedly, were 'either I go or the wallpaper goes' Johnno should have gone but unfortunately he choose not to. Now if he has no choice but to change the wallpaper ie. the team, big time. I always hoped he chance chance on a good team and in spring it looked like he might. It s very unlikely he will now and I m not sure he knows how to try. We ll know more when we see the team but if there aren't several changes he s resigned to going down with the ship. The changes should be at 6 and from 8 onwards. Harte injured is a limitation but even with a bar groin tear would be an improvement for a bit of urgency/devil alone. I agree with the poster that identified a linking/grafting role for Howley. Thats a must - not a choice. Forget about corner back. The only forward that should be sure from the last day is Freeman. The way things have turned out players that we would be expecting to be game winners are looking at their shoe laces and begging to be substituted with 20 to go. Maybe if a few newbies performed a few of the others would get some kind of grá back. But we have all the appearances of a bunch of players that have shot their bolt. I hope I m f**king wrong but..... For what it s worth I would go with Howley, Moran, Dillon, O Sé, Moran, Freeman in the forwards and a half fit Harte and O Sé at midfield. For this one. It should be obvious that some of our lads need something of a gee-up because not only are they not performing - they look depressed on the pitch and need to be eased back into it if we get a run going.
I agree with Foreverhopeful as regards Trevor Howley, that is where he has been doing a lot of damage for Knockmore from the no 10, Paul Galvin type of role. He is well capable of winning breaking ball. The only thing is, will O'Mahony start chopping and changing the whole team around once again or will he persist with the tried and tested. I think the latter.
I'm beginning to get a good feeling about this game - the omens are good; the opposition are in crisis, the dumbasses reckon it'll be plain sailing, and the usually sensible ones are hand-wringing.
Reminds me of the lead-up to Down in 2002 or Derry in 2005.
QuoteDown in 2002 or Derry in 2005
Aye - good days indeed Billy.
Yes - the sense of doom prior to the Louth match is not there for this one and I am now quietly confident of a win here. I dunno if Brian Kavanagh will be back but surely without any games under his belt then he wouldn't feature unless as an impact sub.
Quote from: moysider on June 15, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Blue and Navy on June 14, 2010, 11:27:19 PM
IolarCoisCuain, add the minor defeat to Tyrone to that list in the replay. I honestly think this could be a major problem for Mayo. If the players aren't up for it, if its a wet miserable day like when Longford scared the life out of Kerry, then i honestly foresee Mayo wilting. If that is the case though, then they are better out of it altogether.
Better Pearse Park than McHale Park. Mayo running out there with the place empty would definitely finish us. Players in the county hate the place to a man as it is anyway. No atmosphere for league or club games nothing.
Mayo s major problem - and they have many- is morale. That will not be cured easily. Even a win in Longford wont help much. It wont even register back home where the team has become a joke. Supporters who do go will keep it to themselves if they don't want to be laughed about. I dont envy these players. Last week one of them at least was seriously verbally abused at his place of work.
Oscar Wilde's last words, supposedly, were 'either I go or the wallpaper goes' Johnno should have gone but unfortunately he choose not to. Now if he has no choice but to change the wallpaper ie. the team, big time. I always hoped he chance chance on a good team and in spring it looked like he might. It s very unlikely he will now and I m not sure he knows how to try. We ll know more when we see the team but if there aren't several changes he s resigned to going down with the ship. The changes should be at 6 and from 8 onwards. Harte injured is a limitation but even with a bar groin tear would be an improvement for a bit of urgency/devil alone. I agree with the poster that identified a linking/grafting role for Howley. Thats a must - not a choice. Forget about corner back. The only forward that should be sure from the last day is Freeman. The way things have turned out players that we would be expecting to be game winners are looking at their shoe laces and begging to be substituted with 20 to go. Maybe if a few newbies performed a few of the others would get some kind of grá back. But we have all the appearances of a bunch of players that have shot their bolt. I hope I m f**king wrong but..... For what it s worth I would go with Howley, Moran, Dillon, O Sé, Moran, Freeman in the forwards and a half fit Harte and O Sé at midfield. For this one. It should be obvious that some of our lads need something of a gee-up because not only are they not performing - they look depressed on the pitch and need to be eased back into it if we get a run going.
In all your long years of devotion to the cause, I bet you never before came across one as unreal as this one. I haven't anyway and I can go back a long, long way. For the first time ever, I feel that I will be going to a wake instead of a football game when I stick the jersey on and head for Longford.
I too never experienced such a lack of enthusiasm and confidence amongst the Mayo faithful everywhere. One way or another, there will be a wake in a real sense, whatever the outcome of this game.
Something will be laid to rest when that game is over.
We could be bidding farewell to the IC careers of John O'Mahony and most, if not all, of the senior players. If they persist in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and serve up another display like the ones against Cork and Sligo, they will have to realise that their collective race is run. They can't be asked to keep on putting themselves through the torture mill every time they represent their county.
Whatever the reasons for their recent displays, I have no doubt that they can't be enjoying life at the moment. Jeez, the fans may be feeling the pain but, for Johnno and his team, the going must be ten times harder.
If they find there really is nothing left in their tanks, they might as well leave the stage with whatever dignity they can muster. There is no disgrace in coming up short- if they can't get their acts together, then so be it.
Mayo football is a hardy perennial; we all might feel dejected and disheartened when the ref blows his whistle but cows will still need milking and children will still need their baths and life will still continue on.
On the other hand, they can lay recent ghosts to rest and show they take pride in representing their county; the result is not what concerns me but their approach to the task in hand certainly does. If they lose, I'll be as dejected as any other Mayo follower but if they, Johnno included, perform to the limits of their abilities, I'll accept the result. No more should be expected from any man.
A lot may be riding on the outcome of political developments today as Enda and Richard Bruton meet head on but other than that, I have no comments to pass.
It's up to those in the red and green corner to provide answers on the day. There is nowhere left to hide now.
The Slashers may not be the pushovers many Mayo followers expect them to be; they put it up to Kerry twice in recent years and, with due respects to all concerned, Mayo is no Kerry.
Without doubt, they'll not turn up just to make up the numbers.
I can only hope Mayo will do the same.
QuoteThe Slashers
Please desist from referring to us Longfordians as Slashers. Longford Slashers are the town club.
We are The Larries.......a name bestowed on us by Hardy and one which we all decided to unite behind.
Yeah cut it out, yis shower of Godhelpusheens! Larries go deo!!
I cannot describe the feeling of pride and I have appointed myself an honorary Larry, having waited long enough for it to be offered.
I agree with everyone here. This game is set up for either us or Mayo to win it. Failing that, a draw is a good bet.
Talking about kicking wides, while Dublin still only had two points well into the second half on Sunday, one of their shots nearly hit the big screen scoreboard at the Hill end and a fella in front of me shouts "they'll make an impact on that scoreboard yet".
I agree about Harte coming into offer a bit of life to the midfield, i watched him when he came in against Kildare recently and he wrecked the heads of the Kildare midfield, gave Mayo a bit of impetus and helped them get back into the game.
Any chance of handing Andy Moran the captaincy by the way?
Quote from: Hardy on June 15, 2010, 10:37:37 AM
I cannot describe the feeling of pride and I have appointed myself an honorary Larry, having waited long enough for it to be offered.
I agree with everyone here. This game is set up for either us or Mayo to win it. Failing that, a draw is a good bet.
Talking about kicking wides, while Dublin still only had two points well into the second half on Sunday, one of their shots nearly hit the big screen scoreboard at the Hill end and a fella in front of me shouts "they'll make an impact on that scoreboard yet".
Sorry Hardy, it would never have occurred to us that Royalty would seek Larry status. Fáilte romhat isteach.
Tis a brave move Hardy. Another Meath man causing stirrings.
I hope you are prepared for the heartbreaks, the pain, the O'Byrne Cup optomism, to be replaced the O'Byrne Shield meh, to be replaced by The League Misery then finally by The Leinster Clusterfuck.
It's like celebacy without the sex.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 15, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
It's like celebacy without the sex.
:D :D :D
As long as the dual mandate is allowed, I'l be a loyal Larry. That's me and GG now. This could get bigger.
Bring Robbie O'Malley. Martin O'Connell and Darren Fay while you're at it. They'd make especially good Larries.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 15, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
QuoteThe Slashers
Please desist from referring to us Longfordians as Slashers. Longford Slashers are the town club.
We are The Larries.......a name bestowed on us by Hardy and one which we all decided to unite behind.
I'd say that makes us the Kennys.
Mais non, the Indas.
Or the Pothole Pats. ;D
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 15, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
Mais non, the Indas.
Or the Pothole Pats. ;D
Kenny is better, because he dies before the end of every episode.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/773386/80648857.jpg)
Very good muppet! :D :-[ We seem to die once a year!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 14, 2010, 04:40:16 PM
Glenn certainly doesn't suffer fools and is a very stubborn man, he's a winner though and I'd say the Longford gig is killing him on the inside, pity it hasn't worked out.
Many see he him as the heir apparent alright, I'd like to see his next management gig be his own club first though..
Stock seems to have fallen since his stint with the u21s - partly down to McGrillen and Cribbin's emergence given that neither were given much of a run on that u21 team in '08 (Cribbin wasn't even on the panel IIRC).
I thought he'd have done a better job with Longford tbh. Plenty of forward talent there to be more competitive in Leinster - Kavanagh, Barden, Franny McGee (class act when he was with NUIM).
D Clarke (C)
C Barrett G Cafferkey K Higgins
A Moran D Vaughan K Mcloughlin
S O' Shea P Harte/K Conroy
T Howley A O'Shea A Dillon
A Kilcoyne
A Freeman B Moran
* T Howley to play Galvin role, mopping up around midfield. If your not convinced watch a Knockmore match. It's the position that best suits his attributes.
* B Moran and Freeman to play in front of goal with aidan Kilcoyne ready to pounce from knock downs etc.!
* Aidan O'shea offer a target for kick-outs in half forward with Seamie pulling one way and other midfielder going the other side. Like Cork do - they try to have 3 big men spread across the middle for kick-outs. He can kick scores from here and won't be marked as tightly. Should help his now fragile confidence to be given this pivitol position where he has played his best football.
* Andy Moran can deliver great ball from half back and would be a leader back there. We need some leadership back there. Question marks regarding his defending but i think he is up to it.
* D Vaughan deserves a shot at his best position. Should not be dropped after being asked to play out of position against one of the best in the business.
Plan A - put ball diagonally into two big lads, They either catch or look for knock down to Killer/ half forwards.
If they play sweeper tell lads to move a bit wider from the goal so the sweeper won't know which side to cover. O'hara just stayed in middle and Mayo didnt change the ball in.
Plan B - Bring B Moran out around middle and leave freeman and killer as corner forwards switching the whole time, keep the defenders guessing. Dillon could also go into full forward line for a spell. Need to be unpredictable as teams cop onto us too easy.
Shamrock shore
I see your Larry picture comes from countrymusicholidays.com
Those tourists must do some amount of dancing. Mad for it.
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 15, 2010, 05:25:03 PM
D Clarke (C)
C Barrett G Cafferkey K Higgins
A Moran D Vaughan K Mcloughlin
S O' Shea P Harte/K Conroy
T Howley A O'Shea A Dillon
A Kilcoyne
A Freeman B Moran
* T Howley to play Galvin role, mopping up around midfield. If your not convinced watch a Knockmore match. It's the position that best suits his attributes.
* B Moran and Freeman to play in front of goal with aidan Kilcoyne ready to pounce from knock downs etc.!
* Aidan O'shea offer a target for kick-outs in half forward with Seamie pulling one way and other midfielder going the other side. Like Cork do - they try to have 3 big men spread across the middle for kick-outs. He can kick scores from here and won't be marked as tightly. Should help his now fragile confidence to be given this pivitol position where he has played his best football.
* Andy Moran can deliver great ball from half back and would be a leader back there. We need some leadership back there. Question marks regarding his defending but i think he is up to it.
* D Vaughan deserves a shot at his best position. Should not be dropped after being asked to play out of position against one of the best in the business.
Plan A - put ball diagonally into two big lads, They either catch or look for knock down to Killer/ half forwards.
If they play sweeper tell lads to move a bit wider from the goal so the sweeper won't know which side to cover. O'hara just stayed in middle and Mayo didnt change the ball in.
Plan B - Bring B Moran out around middle and leave freeman and killer as corner forwards switching the whole time, keep the defenders guessing. Dillon could also go into full forward line for a spell. Need to be unpredictable as teams cop onto us too easy.
Yeah. Wholesale changes are needed.
Yeah i don't think it's acceptable to make 2-3 changes. That team i picked has 10 changes between positional and personnel.
Trev, Ronan McGarrity and Peadar deserve to be dropped after pathetic performances from our captain, former captain and vice-captain. Not good enough and bench is the best punishment. Tom Parsons has to go aswell.
Seamus O'Shea should get a chance at midfield. Playing him at 11 to compensate Tom Parsons lazy-shite attitude was unfair.
Foreverhopeful I like that team a lot.
It could win a few games and could have done very well if playing together all year.
i wouldn't make Clarke captain. We are lucky to have him between the posts but he needs to pick things up with his kick-outs. Some variation needed but of course that depends on hard work from the outfield players showing for the ball.
Neither would I consider Conroy. Harte would be my choice.
And of course the team has a recognised freetaker in Kilcoyne although injury may affect his ability in this regard and of course he hasn't had the game time.
Well done lads in general - good start to this thread. I think we reached 45 for Mayo v Sligo. Lets match that!!
Quote from: muppet on June 15, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 15, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
Mais non, the Indas.
Or the Pothole Pats. ;D
Kenny is better, because he dies before the end of every episode.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/773386/80648857.jpg)
Not in the newer episodes ;)
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on June 15, 2010, 05:25:03 PM
D Clarke (C)
C Barrett G Cafferkey K Higgins
A Moran D Vaughan K Mcloughlin
S O' Shea P Harte/K Conroy
T Howley A O'Shea A Dillon
A Kilcoyne
A Freeman B Moran
* T Howley to play Galvin role, mopping up around midfield. If your not convinced watch a Knockmore match. It's the position that best suits his attributes.
* B Moran and Freeman to play in front of goal with aidan Kilcoyne ready to pounce from knock downs etc.!
* Aidan O'shea offer a target for kick-outs in half forward with Seamie pulling one way and other midfielder going the other side. Like Cork do - they try to have 3 big men spread across the middle for kick-outs. He can kick scores from here and won't be marked as tightly. Should help his now fragile confidence to be given this pivitol position where he has played his best football.
* Andy Moran can deliver great ball from half back and would be a leader back there. We need some leadership back there. Question marks regarding his defending but i think he is up to it.
* D Vaughan deserves a shot at his best position. Should not be dropped after being asked to play out of position against one of the best in the business.
Plan A - put ball diagonally into two big lads, They either catch or look for knock down to Killer/ half forwards.
If they play sweeper tell lads to move a bit wider from the goal so the sweeper won't know which side to cover. O'hara just stayed in middle and Mayo didnt change the ball in.
Plan B - Bring B Moran out around middle and leave freeman and killer as corner forwards switching the whole time, keep the defenders guessing. Dillon could also go into full forward line for a spell. Need to be unpredictable as teams cop onto us too easy.
Yeah that's not a bad team at all but I don't think AOS will work at center forward, in saying that there is only one way to find out and he can't be much worse than what has gone before him this year.
I think aidan is gonna be compared with donaghy if played at 14. It hasn't gone well for him in the league in this position so we might as well try him at no.11 against l'ford. I did suggest conroy because I didn't want to pick mcgarrity or parsons. Not sure about Harte after seeing him against knockmore. Would love to see James kilcullen there. Clarke is obviously kicking the balls out the way he is told. He is good at short kickouts aswell. He is rock solid under pressure and the high ball and has never let Mayo down. Plus he is guaranteed his place. Himself and k higgins are the only 2 for the past few seasons.
Yeah very good team forever hopeful. I think you'd be looking at one of McGarrity and Parsons beside O'Shea. Barry Kelly walked off the panel and Pat Harte tore his groin before the Knockmore game and only played with a painkilling injection. He's fucked. No other options.
Aidan O'Shea is a number 11. His form and confidence isn't great at the minute so we do need to bear that in mind but he's a much better 11 than 14. Always has been. Howley being compared to Galvin is ludicrious but he does bring certain qualities to the role you mention and is worth a shot. Vaughan too at 6.
I'd be worried though that JOM will stick with tried and trusted and that the only players to lose out will be Varley, S O'Shea and Tom Cunniffe, the easy fall guys. He won't make the big calls and axe McGarrity, Parsons, Gardiner and Trevor Mortimer.
Well I have to say it again that McGarrity is no good when the chips are down. I witnessed it on Sunday! Bloody hell, the Ballina midfield were wiped out when it came for breaking ball and that was him playing in a club match. I don't think O'Mahony will drop him though and Trevor Mortimer will hardly be dropped either and it makes my blood boil.
QuoteWell done lads in general - good start to this thread. I think we reached 45 for Mayo v Sligo. Lets match that!!
That's it lads, lots of chat will sort out your problems.
Take a leaf from the Larries book - there's nothing that can't be solved by a song and a cup of tea.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 16, 2010, 09:01:25 AM
QuoteWell done lads in general - good start to this thread. I think we reached 45 for Mayo v Sligo. Lets match that!!
That's it lads, lots of chat will sort out your problems.
Take a leaf from the Larries book - there's nothing that can't be solved by a song and a cup of tea.
aye sit back and enjoy the thread Billy one thing us mayo lads can talk about is football ( whether we know anything about it is another story) throw the larries into the mix and sure this thread could go to infinity and beyond
Quotethere's nothing that can't be solved by a song and a cup of tea.
and a good mass.......
(http://www.thankingfatherted.com/images/weekend_mass.jpg)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 15, 2010, 11:44:45 PM
Yeah very good team forever hopeful. I think you'd be looking at one of McGarrity and Parsons beside O'Shea. Barry Kelly walked off the panel and Pat Harte tore his groin before the Knockmore game and only played with a painkilling injection. He's fucked. No other options.
Aidan O'Shea is a number 11. His form and confidence isn't great at the minute so we do need to bear that in mind but he's a much better 11 than 14. Always has been. Howley being compared to Galvin is ludicrious but he does bring certain qualities to the role you mention and is worth a shot. Vaughan too at 6.
I'd be worried though that JOM will stick with tried and trusted and that the only players to lose out will be Varley, S O'Shea and Tom Cunniffe, the easy fall guys. He won't make the big calls and axe McGarrity, Parsons, Gardiner and Trevor Mortimer.
I would be inclined to agree. You just cant see him make those big calls.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 16, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 16, 2010, 09:01:25 AM
QuoteWell done lads in general - good start to this thread. I think we reached 45 for Mayo v Sligo. Lets match that!!
That's it lads, lots of chat will sort out your problems.
Take a leaf from the Larries book - there's nothing that can't be solved by a song and a cup of tea.
aye sit back and enjoy the thread Billy one thing us mayo lads can talk about is football ( whether we know anything about it is another story) throw the larries into the mix and sure this thread could go to infinity and beyond
I'm enjoying it already - as I always said to my late Father-in-law (a Crossmolina man btw), if there were All-Irelands for talking Mayo would lead the roll-of-honour. Just like the Larries might lead a roll-of-honour for muttering darkly. ;D
MacGarrity hasn't played a decent game of football since Ciarian Whealan Polaxed him in 2006.
McGarrity has a turned into a big worry. On his day he can be very good but as the last poster pointed out he hasn't played for God knows how long and he is such a negative influence when things are going wrong. As much as people say Parsons needs to be dropped I would drop him before Parsons to be honest. Problem is lack of alternatives, hopefully Pat Harte can recover and we can see what he has to offer, maybe alongside Seamus O'Shea.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
Quotethere's nothing that can't be solved by a song and a cup of tea.
and a good mass.......
and a biscuit and a nice sit down
Altogether now ...
Last night I had a pleasant dream I woke up with a smile
I dreamed that I was back again in dear old Erin's isle
I thought I saw Lough Allen's banks in the valleys down below
It was my lovely Leitrim where the Shannon overflows
Was comparing howley to galvin's style. He obviously not in galvin's league yet!! amazing he never tried there before tho - considering how well he has done for knockmore. He never plays 6 for them. In 2006 Kerry moved donaghy to 14 and it had a massive effect on both Kerry and football. Jom is going to need something like that to get the Mayo supporters back on track. Sadly we all know he will stick with trev, gardiner etc. He'll probably drop the young lads like Seamie o shea , making it seem like their the ones to blame. While not blameless their confidence will be further dented. Mcgarrity is in a major comfort zone. We've been short of midfielers in the county since his debut in 04. He obviously has taken his position for granted. Not his fault, bad management. We have to bench a few of the untouchables for their complete lack of leadership against Sligo. When do you see trev encouraging or cajoling? he's head dow all the time.
From ( :-[ ) Hoganstand. (Sorry but I couldn't find any Longford news on this game anywhere else)
Glenn Ryan admits that being handed a home draw is critical to Longford's chances of defeating Mayo in the All-Ireland football qualifiers.
While the midlanders failed to sparkle against Louth in their Leinster championship exit, they are sure to be a different proposition at Pearse Stadium (sic) and many see the potential for an upset in this fixture. Longford ended Derry's championship interests at the venue in 2006, while they have also come close to shocking Dublin and Kerry there in recent years.
"The venue was the most important part of the draw, even more than the opposition," Longford boss Ryan told the Irish Examiner.
"We're glad to be playing the first game in Pearse Park. It definitely help but we know that we will be up against it with Mayo."
With star forward Brian Kavanagh expected to return from injury, Ryan has further cause for optimism.
"The lads are all looking forward to it. The game against Louth was a big disappointment, but hopefully we've put that behind us and we'll be able to give the Mayo game our best shot.
"We gave the lads a few weeks off after the defeat and they have all applied themselves well since we got back to training. It's been a good couple of weeks and we're looking forward to getting back paying again."
I don't give a shit what I'll be called... I'm going to the game. I wonder what it will cost to get in?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 17, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
I don't give a shit what I'll be called... I'm going to the game.
future generations will be sitting about campfire singing ballads in memory of your dedication to the cause
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 17, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
I don't give a shit what I'll be called... I'm going to the game. I wonder what it will cost to get in?
Bejaysus, you're shaping up as Mayo's antidote to Sligonian. ;D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
"We're glad to be playing the first game in Pearse Park. It definitely help but we know that we will be up against it with Mayo."
There's confidence for ye !!!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2010, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 17, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
"We're glad to be playing the first game in Pearse Park. It definitely help but we know that we will be up against it with Mayo."
There's confidence for ye !!!
Confident of a draw, maybe?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 17, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 17, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
I don't give a shit what I'll be called... I'm going to the game. I wonder what it will cost to get in?
Bejaysus, you're shaping up as Mayo's antidote to Sligonian. ;D
Well now I'm not in his league just yet. But we need someone to 'mark' him! ;)
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
Hardy
Will ya head for this one to get the new Longford blood in you stirring or will you wait for a later round ;)
I could have an outing with my other team that day, SS. I'll have a decision to make.
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
What time is the minor match at moysider? And couldn't the goons on the Connacht council have moved it to Sunday?
Quote from: Hardy on June 18, 2010, 09:18:31 AM
I could have an outing with my other team that day, SS. I'll have a decision to make.
If you were a real Larry you'd spend the afternoon muttering in the back garden. ;)
I didn't know being a Larry was gonna be so easy.
Kerry - langer-baiting and not travelling till September.
Dublin - being cheeky and over-expectant.
Mayo - being gloomy and over-expectant.
Longford - muttering in the back garden.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
What time is the minor match at moysider? And couldn't the goons on the Connacht council have moved it to Sunday?
It appears that the minor match is scheduled for 5 in Castlebar, at the moment anyway, with the senior at 7 in Longford. The reason it s not on Sunday is because Galway v Sligo games are on in Salthill. I believe if Ros-Leitrim ends in a draw the minor is deferred a week until before the replay.
Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2010, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
What time is the minor match at moysider? And couldn't the goons on the Connacht council have moved it to Sunday?
It appears that the minor match is scheduled for 5 in Castlebar, at the moment anyway, with the senior at 7 in Longford. The reason it s not on Sunday is because Galway v Sligo games are on in Salthill. I believe if Ros-Leitrim ends in a draw the minor is deferred a week until before the replay.
Feck sake. That means another 2am throw in here. Wht dont they think of us exiles when scheduling these games ;)
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 19, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2010, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
What time is the minor match at moysider? And couldn't the goons on the Connacht council have moved it to Sunday?
It appears that the minor match is scheduled for 5 in Castlebar, at the moment anyway, with the senior at 7 in Longford. The reason it s not on Sunday is because Galway v Sligo games are on in Salthill. I believe if Ros-Leitrim ends in a draw the minor is deferred a week until before the replay.
Feck sake. That means another 2am throw in here. Wht dont they think of us exiles when scheduling these games ;)
It'll be 4am for the senior! Round of 16 in the world cup will be on so probably be up anyways and mid wesht will have to be on too!
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 19, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 18, 2010, 07:23:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 17, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
I intend to be in Pearse Park myself but the minor match will take precedence for me anyway. Fitting both in may well be a challenge as wee as being expensive.
What time is the minor match at moysider? And couldn't the goons on the Connacht council have moved it to Sunday?
It appears that the minor match is scheduled for 5 in Castlebar, at the moment anyway, with the senior at 7 in Longford. The reason it s not on Sunday is because Galway v Sligo games are on in Salthill. I believe if Ros-Leitrim ends in a draw the minor is deferred a week until before the replay.
Feck sake. That means another 2am throw in here. Wht dont they think of us exiles when scheduling these games ;)
To be honest I wouldn't let this one get in the way of a good night's sleep. No disrespect to anybody but Mayo have to do a lot more than win this one to rescue any credibility. Actually looking forward to seeing the selected team for this one. This management have been fooling themselves ( and some others) and it's unlikely to change now and they probably will persist with most of the Markievicz lot for the rest of it. The selected team should inform us if we should bother our holes or not. Don t be surprised if we don t get a team until before throw in. That way everybody gets spun along .
Lads
Pm me yere mobiles and I'll text ye the result of the senior match as soon as it ends in Pearse Park. FFS stay in bed and put the phone onto 'gentle nudge' setting so as not to wake the lassie/lad beside, you who may be a total innocent in Mayo affairs.
Which, in the long run, may be a good thing.
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
Without Larries :
Galway 44
Mayo 42
Ross 19
Sligo 3
Leitrim 2
With Larries :
Galway 44
Mayo 42
Ross 19
Longford 3
Leitrim 2
Sligo 0
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Lads
Pm me yere mobiles and I'll text ye the result of the senior match as soon as it ends in Pearse Park. FFS stay in bed and put the phone onto 'gentle nudge' setting so as not to wake the lassie/lad beside, you who may be a total innocent in Mayo affairs.
Which, in the long run, may be a good thing.
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
The 1798 Connacht Republic (Irish Republic) was Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Longford (no Galway).
At many stages in history Clare was in Connacht, I think it was a cartography error by the English that caused it to leave Connacht and join Munster.
So it seems there is historical precedent for a Connacht Championship of
Mayo
Galway
Roscommon
Sligo
Leitrim
Longford
Clare
+ New York
+ London
Longford beat Carlow in a challenge in Clane this afternoon won by 2 points I think
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
What makes you think Longford would win 10-15 Connacht titles when the like's of Sligo & Leitrim have only won 5 between them
Quote from: ross4life on June 19, 2010, 08:55:59 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
What makes you think Longford would win 10-15 Connacht titles when the like's of Sligo & Leitrim have only won 5 between them
I thinks he means at the expense of Roscommon, but he forgets the great Roscommon teams of the 1940's & 1970's won many of Roscommons titles.
Longford never beat Ros .
Mayo never beat Longford.
Big week ahead lads although the enthusiasm in the West isn't too hectic. A very small crowd (league away standard) I would guess is going to travel from Mayo and there is a lot of convincing to be done.
It's a great match for Longford. A big name county, in their home patch. Their players know that if they go out and hit hard and focus that they will be there or thereabouts and could push our lads to capitulate. That is the sad and frustrating thing for Mayo supporters. You would hope our lads will react. Like a schoolyard bully they may stand up to this minnow but the questions will remain.
When you read the rubbish from Andy Moran last week of the team being complacent against Sligo you just have to wonder where their heads are. To lose on Saturday is unthinkable, but not impossible.
QuoteTheir players know that if they go out and hit hard and focus that they will be there or thereabouts and could push our lads to capitulate.
I'll say it again, this has all the omens of Down in 2002 and Derry in 2005. ;D
Btw anybody know whether there was an A v B game at the weekend?
Any indications of changes heard by anybody?
Quote from: Barney on June 21, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Btw anybody know whether there was an A v B game at the weekend?
Any indications of changes heard by anybody?
With all the pessimism in Mayo, they probably called it C v D.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Lads
Pm me yere mobiles and I'll text ye the result of the senior match as soon as it ends in Pearse Park. FFS stay in bed and put the phone onto 'gentle nudge' setting so as not to wake the lassie/lad beside, you who may be a total innocent in Mayo affairs.
Which, in the long run, may be a good thing.
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
Did Longford not enter the Connacht championship sometime in the 1980's ?
Quote from: western exile on June 21, 2010, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Lads
Pm me yere mobiles and I'll text ye the result of the senior match as soon as it ends in Pearse Park. FFS stay in bed and put the phone onto 'gentle nudge' setting so as not to wake the lassie/lad beside, you who may be a total innocent in Mayo affairs.
Which, in the long run, may be a good thing.
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
Did Longford not enter the Connacht championship sometime in the 1980's ?
No.
Quote from: western exile on June 21, 2010, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 19, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
Lads
Pm me yere mobiles and I'll text ye the result of the senior match as soon as it ends in Pearse Park. FFS stay in bed and put the phone onto 'gentle nudge' setting so as not to wake the lassie/lad beside, you who may be a total innocent in Mayo affairs.
Which, in the long run, may be a good thing.
Hey, did ye know that until 1572 Longford was considered part of Connaught - until Elizabeth I sold us into Leinster penury.
How many Connaught titles could we have had had yon barren mare not heeded advice! I reckon 10-15.
Bottoms Up!
Did Longford not enter the Connacht championship sometime in the 1980's ?
You might be thinking of the Connacht Minor League.
Quote from: Hardy on June 21, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 21, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Btw anybody know whether there was an A v B game at the weekend?
Any indications of changes heard by anybody?
With all the pessimism in Mayo, they probably called it C v D.
Good one, even though it is at our expense you have to chuckle.
Quote from: Hardy on June 21, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 21, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Btw anybody know whether there was an A v B game at the weekend?
Any indications of changes heard by anybody?
With all the pessimism in Mayo, they probably called it C v D.
It should have been Hex -v- Why?
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 21, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 21, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 21, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Btw anybody know whether there was an A v B game at the weekend?
Any indications of changes heard by anybody?
With all the pessimism in Mayo, they probably called it C v D.
It should have been Hex -v- Why?
Fine -v- Gael?
Longford 7/2 draw 9/1 Mayo 1/4 straight forward Mayo win in the eyes of Paddy Power
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2010, 08:47:42 PM
Longford beat Carlow in a challenge in Clane this afternoon won by 2 points I think
They won by 3 pts 1-11 to 0-11. I was at it. Longford weren't great at all. Carlow were poor too, but we kicked a huge amount of wides and won the midfield battle.
I heard that Longford drew with Derry and hammered Westmeath, but looking at them Saturday I'd wonder how.
It was 2 bad sides on Saturday to be honest.
Having taken the time out to study things a little bit more I reckon that Longford could have won 10 Connaught titles!
1930s - 1
1940s - 0
1950s - 4
1960s - 3
1970s - 0
1980s - 2
1990s - 0
2000s - 0
So that's my 10. Longford in the 20s were a junior team and prior to that, well, nobody can recall!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
Having taken the time out to study things a little bit more I reckon that Longford could have won 10 Connaught titles!
1930s - 1
1940s - 0
1950s - 4
1960s - 3
1970s - 0
1980s - 2
1990s - 0
2000s - 0
So that's my 10. Longford in the 20s were a junior team and prior to that, well, nobody can recall!
What kinda research is that? the only good longford team i have been told about was in the 60s & back then there was excellent Galway & Roscommon teams
IMO 2/3 is all longford would win
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
Having taken the time out to study things a little bit more I reckon that Longford could have won 10 Connaught Connacht titles!
1930s - 1 Mayo 2, Galway 3 (Connacht 5)
1940s - 0 Mayo 1, Galway 3, Roscommon 3 (Connacht 7)
1950s - 4 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
1960s - 3 Galway 3, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 4)
1970s - 0 Galway 3 (Connacht 3)
1980s - 2 Mayo 1, Galway 1, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 3)
1990s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 1 (Connacht 3)
2000s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
So that's my 10. Longford in the 20s were a junior team and prior to that, well, nobody can recall!
Not sure about that Shamrock Shore, here is a list of Connacht teams All-Ireland appearances in each of those decades, I cannot see Longford winning 1 Connacht title in the 1950's never mind 4.
Personally I would like to see Donegal, Clare & Longford added to a Western Region along with the 5 Counties of Connacht and London & New York.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 21, 2010, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
Having taken the time out to study things a little bit more I reckon that Longford could have won 10 Connaught Connacht titles!
1930s - 1 Mayo 2, Galway 3 (Connacht 5)
1940s - 0 Mayo 1, Galway 3, Roscommon 3 (Connacht 7)
1950s - 4 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
1960s - 3 Galway 3, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 4)
1970s - 0 Galway 3 (Connacht 3)
1980s - 2 Mayo 1, Galway 1, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 3)
1990s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 1 (Connacht 3)
2000s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
So that's my 10. Longford in the 20s were a junior team and prior to that, well, nobody can recall!
Not sure about that Shamrock Shore, here is a list of Connacht teams All-Ireland appearances in each of those decades, I cannot see Longford winning 1 Connacht title in the 1950's never mind 4.
Personally I would like to see Donegal, Clare & Longford added to a Western Region along with the 5 Counties of Connacht and London & New York.
So those stats tells us the 40s was the best period for Connacht football... interesting
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 21, 2010, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 21, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
Having taken the time out to study things a little bit more I reckon that Longford could have won 10 Connaught Connacht titles!
1930s - 1 Mayo 2, Galway 3 (Connacht 5)
1940s - 0 Mayo 1, Galway 3, Roscommon 3 (Connacht 7)
1950s - 4 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
1960s - 3 Galway 3, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 4)
1970s - 0 Galway 3 (Connacht 3)
1980s - 2 Mayo 1, Galway 1, Roscommon 1 (Connacht 3)
1990s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 1 (Connacht 3)
2000s - 0 Mayo 2, Galway 2 (Connacht 4)
So that's my 10. Longford in the 20s were a junior team and prior to that, well, nobody can recall!
Not sure about that Shamrock Shore, here is a list of Connacht teams All-Ireland appearances in each of those decades, I cannot see Longford winning 1 Connacht title in the 1950's never mind 4.
Personally I would like to see Donegal, Clare & Longford added to a Western Region along with the 5 Counties of Connacht and London & New York.
That s not a bad idea at all. I doubt if Donegal would have it though. Interestingly Longford played in the Connacht minor league this spring.
Lads, Willie Joe of the matchless Mayo GAA Blog thinks the game in Longford will clash with a minor game in Castlebar against the Ros at five. Surely this must be some mistake? Can anybody confirm or deny?
minor game is scheduled for 5.00pm.might get more satisfaction out of watching cillian o connor and company in action than the seniors fumbling around in pearse park.
Looks like we're getting a bad name for ourselves for being downbeat and despondent.
Mayo by 15 points and the bandwagon will be up and running on the road to redemption and All Ireland glory
When will the team be announced?
Any injury updates?
Quote from: mayo51 on June 22, 2010, 02:09:25 AM
minor game is scheduled for 5.00pm.might get more satisfaction out of watching cillian o connor and company in action than the seniors fumbling around in pearse park.
On www.mayogaa,.com its down for 12.00
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/mayo/clubFixtures/647/Fixtures
QuoteOn www.mayogaa,.com its down for 12.00
AFIK, it's on at 5pm, www.mayogaa.com has 12pm as the default time for all fixtures when there put on the site unless there changed
QuoteOn www.mayogaa,.com its down for 12.00
Altogether now ....
for two irish eyes are shining
and an Irish heart is pining
and when I kissed her and caressed her
in the gloaming long ago
loving Irish arms will press me
and true Irish love caress me
and sweet Irish lips will bless me
when it's Moonlight in Mayo
longfords future not the quickest carrying a bitta poundage but not without talent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGxXTLCFYxI
... then we'll have to have:
So boys stick together in all kinds of weather.
Don't show the white feather wherever you go.
Be like a brother and help one another
Like true hearted men from the County Mayo
I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but I'm practising my muttering in the back garden. It's going well so far and I managed a 90-second non-stop mutter yesterday evening. I'm not sure what I'm muttering about yet, but I'm sure that'll come to me with time.
here is one for you to practice mr hardy sir
hay hay bale it bale it
hay hay bale it bale it
will galway beat mayo
not if they have willie joe
haven't a hope of beatin mayo
not if they have willie joe
QuoteI'm not sure what I'm muttering about yet, but I'm sure that'll come to me with time.
The auditors say that to qualify for true-Larry status, the muttering doesn't necessarily have to be about anything football-related.
Possible topics suggested include: stupid bad weather, stupid good weather, the price of ... (anything really), the terrible state of affairs, the comparatively less terrible state of affairs way back when, the appropriacy of conditions for rearing turf, the appropriacy of conditions for rearing potatoes (or other arable crops), the appropriacy of conditions for rearing children, the adequacy of quality of various imbibables in local hostelries (this is not an exhaustive list). It is advised that practice makes perfect.
Probable team for weekend
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Howley
Vaughan Higgins Mc Loughlin
S O Se R Mc Garrity
Moran A O Se Dillon
Ronladson Moran Freeman
6 changes from Sligo, with both Morts gone
Quote from: REDCOL on June 22, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
Probable team for weekend
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Howley
Vaughan Higgins Mc Loughlin
S O Se R Mc Garrity
Moran A O Se Dillon
Ronladson Moran Freeman
6 changes from Sligo, with both Morts gone
Where did you find this?
a source close to the setup
Quote from: Hardy on June 22, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but I'm practising my muttering in the back garden. It's going well so far and I managed a 90-second non-stop mutter yesterday evening. I'm not sure what I'm muttering about yet, but I'm sure that'll come to me with time.
A good mutter would start off on the Rossies and then move on to the weather and the price of hoggets before a segue into the youth and loud music before winding up on politicians and that shower up in dublin.
Quotethe Rossies
Who are these people? What is their purpose? What have they got to do with us Larries?
More of the usual from Johnno in The Mayo News. As I predicted there will probably no team until just before throw-in. Just to keep interest and debate dampened down of course.
O'Mahony set to ring changes
New-look team likely for Qualifier away to Longford
Daniel Carey
MAYO manager John O'Mahony may not announce his team to play Longford in the first round of the All-Ireland SFC qualifiers until shortly before throw-in on Saturday.
The Ballaghaderreen clubman said it will be "Thursday night at the earliest" and "maybe even Saturday evening" before the starting 15 is named.
Asked about the prospect of changes from the side which lost to Sligo, O'Mahony said: "Obviously, our selection will reflect what happened in Sligo as well as what has happened since."
Speculation is mounting that there could be up to six changes for the Longford game. Four players who missed out on the Sligo match through injury or illness (Chris Barrett, Trevor Howley, Pat Harte and Alan Dillon) are now available for selection.
Barry Moran, who came on against Sligo, could also be in line for a starting place, as could Breaffy's Aidan O'Shea.
Aidan Kilcoyne came on for Knockmore for his first game since suffering knee ligament damage, but is "unlikely" to feature on Saturday, said O'Mahony, who expects "a difficult game" against Longford.
Mayo got together last Monday week, the night after the draw – "We wanted to focus on looking forward... as well as looking back, we wanted to finish up looking forward", said O'Mahony.
Asked about the main problem areas identified from the Sligo game, the manager preferred to concentrate on Mayo's next challenge.
"I think what we need to do at the minute is to play the game. I think enough analysis has gone on without us ... we have it done for ourselves, and other people have it done and they've come to their conclusions. But I hope that we'll see the right answers on Saturday evening."
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2010, 04:16:57 PM
More of the usual from Johnno in The Mayo News. As I predicted there will probably no team until just before throw-in. Just to keep interest and debate dampened down of course.
O'Mahony set to ring changes
New-look team likely for Qualifier away to Longford
Daniel Carey
MAYO manager John O'Mahony may not announce his team to play Longford in the first round of the All-Ireland SFC qualifiers until shortly before throw-in on Saturday.
The Ballaghaderreen clubman said it will be "Thursday night at the earliest" and "maybe even Saturday evening" before the starting 15 is named.
Asked about the prospect of changes from the side which lost to Sligo, O'Mahony said: "Obviously, our selection will reflect what happened in Sligo as well as what has happened since."
Speculation is mounting that there could be up to six changes for the Longford game. Four players who missed out on the Sligo match through injury or illness (Chris Barrett, Trevor Howley, Pat Harte and Alan Dillon) are now available for selection.
Barry Moran, who came on against Sligo, could also be in line for a starting place, as could Breaffy's Aidan O'Shea.
Aidan Kilcoyne came on for Knockmore for his first game since suffering knee ligament damage, but is "unlikely" to feature on Saturday, said O'Mahony, who expects "a difficult game" against Longford.
Mayo got together last Monday week, the night after the draw – "We wanted to focus on looking forward... as well as looking back, we wanted to finish up looking forward", said O'Mahony.
Asked about the main problem areas identified from the Sligo game, the manager preferred to concentrate on Mayo's next challenge.
"I think what we need to do at the minute is to play the game. I think enough analysis has gone on without us ... we have it done for ourselves, and other people have it done and they've come to their conclusions. But I hope that we'll see the right answers on Saturday evening."
He couldn't be talking about us on this board, could he? 8)
REDCOL does have a good history on team announcements - remember how we were up in arms and laughed at him before the Sligo game!
I would be happy with this team if it was what is named. Nearer to the best available from the panel.
Unfortunately the minor game is going ahead at 5pm so Mayo supporters who wish to watch both games are caught in a bind. Not ideal at all.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 22, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
Probable team for weekend
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Howley
Vaughan Higgins Mc Loughlin
S O Se R Mc Garrity
Moran A O Se Dillon
Ronladson Moran Freeman
6 changes from Sligo, with both Morts gone
That's what I'm hearing too RedCol, except that Harte is in contention to bump McGarrity out. But injury could restrict that move - maybe Moysider knows the sceal there?
It would be some turnaround that, if that team goes out. Has JOM the balls to go through with such a changed team and, crucially, admit he made a balls of picking the team for the Sligo game? Time will tell. In fairness on our last early sojourn to the qualifiers in 2007 he brought in Barry Moran, Tom Cunniffe, Pierce Hanley and David Kilcullen and moved Trevor Mort to wing-back. The precendent is there. Big question - who will captain that team? Clarke I'd say.
Quote from: Hardy on June 22, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
... then we'll have to have:
So boys stick together in all kinds of weather.
Don't show the white feather wherever you go.
Be like a brother and help one another
Like true hearted men from the County Mayo
I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but I'm practising my muttering in the back garden. It's going well so far and I managed a 90-second non-stop mutter yesterday evening. I'm not sure what I'm muttering about yet, but I'm sure that'll come to me with time.
God help us, Hardy, you seem to have an errant gene or two in your makeup!
I'll bet if you check your family tree, there's a Mayo ancestor in there somewhere. ;D
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 22, 2010, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 22, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
Probable team for weekend
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Howley
Vaughan Higgins Mc Loughlin
S O Se R Mc Garrity
Moran A O Se Dillon
Ronladson Moran Freeman
6 changes from Sligo, with both Morts gone
That's what I'm hearing too RedCol, except that Harte is in contention to bump McGarrity out. But injury could restrict that move - maybe Moysider knows the sceal there?
It would be some turnaround that, if that team goes out. Has JOM the balls to go through with such a changed team and, crucially, admit he made a balls of picking the team for the Sligo game? Time will tell. In fairness on our last early sojourn to the qualifiers in 2007 he brought in Barry Moran, Tom Cunniffe, Pierce Hanley and David Kilcullen and moved Trevor Mort to wing-back. The precendent is there. Big question - who will captain that team? Clarke I'd say.
Harte wouldn't be 100%, otherwise I d expect him straight in. Kilcoyne too. Don.t know what the thinking is with Howley at corner back though. They seem very slow gettin some things into their heads, if that s the case.
It would be some change alright. Hope he has the balls to do it and to motivate the players who do come out on Sunday to do their very best and to steamroll Longford into the ground. It's really annoying that the minor game is on at 5. They SHOULD move it to the Sunday, but who am I just an ordinary GAA supporter who wants to watch both... >:(
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 22, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 22, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
... then we'll have to have:
So boys stick together in all kinds of weather.
Don't show the white feather wherever you go.
Be like a brother and help one another
Like true hearted men from the County Mayo
I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but I'm practising my muttering in the back garden. It's going well so far and I managed a 90-second non-stop mutter yesterday evening. I'm not sure what I'm muttering about yet, but I'm sure that'll come to me with time.
God help us, Hardy, you seem to have an errant gene or two in your makeup!
I'll bet if you check your family tree, there's a Mayo ancestor in there somewhere. ;D
queue hardy choking on his pint of beamish ;) :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2010, 09:37:34 PM
It would be some change alright. Hope he has the balls to do it and to motivate the players who do come out on Sunday to do their very best and to steamroll Longford into the ground. It's really annoying that the minor game is on at 5. They SHOULD move it to the Sunday, but who am I just an ordinary GAA supporter who wants to watch both... >:(
I assume that s the senior match you re talking about. No reason it could not have been played on the Sunday. That way those that want to can see both. It s not likely that Mayo fans - the few bothered still- would be heading to Salthill on the Sunday. Heaven forbid surely its not so that people might be watching the Sunday game. On the other hand the minor match was fixed by the Connacht Council months ago and no way the young lads and minor managements should be messed about at this stage with changed dates or times. Maybe Croke Park might have checked out the Connacht Council before making this fixture. Then again they didn't have to because the qualifiers nothing to do with the provincial councils.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 22, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
Probable team for weekend
Clarke
Barrett Cafferkey Howley
Vaughan Higgins Mc Loughlin
S O Se R Mc Garrity
Moran A O Se Dillon
Ronladson Moran Freeman
6 changes from Sligo, with both Morts gone
Im not going to doubt REDCOL as he was on the money with the last team he named! ;)
Thats some changes if it does happen. I dont mean to dance on the graves of players who are not starting but im pleased that Cunniffe, Trev Mort, BJP and Parsons are not starting. I think Conor is a little bit hard done by but riding the bench may do him no harm either.
There is good balance and symmetry to the team. Fast pacey corner backs and a decent full bac;, im just hoping that not too many high balls rain down as Cafferkey isnt fantastic in the air (never was his forte), and the other two are a bit small but I guess they are the best of what we have. Howley seems more natural to the corner, he is tenacious and fights for possession, even if he over commits sometimes but im looking forward to see how he does
Its a very attacking half back line and I would expect all three to be making penetrating runs and join the attack. However defending is their primary objective so hopefully they will remember that and not attack together and leave huge holes in the defence.
Delighted S OS is getting his championship start at mid-field. He is the workhorse that will do the hitting and grafting all day and is well able to do that role. Its takes that pressure off McGarrity (or Harte) who can concentrate on wining the fielding battle.
Moran, A O Se and Dillon is the most interesting line. Foreverhopeful will cream himself at the site of AOS at CF but I still dont think he has the pace for it and I can see Rolandson and himself switch when he is running out of gas. At the same time, it gives Dillon more of an attacking role to get forward and get on the scoreboard. I hope that AOS will spray it around as much as the likes of Dillon or Ronaldson as he can tend to play with the head down.
A big game is needed from the Fullforward line. Id expect Freeman and Moran to get goal chances and to stick them but im not sure about Ronladson playing inside. I guess he is getting the nod ahead of Varley, who never settled against Sligo and Connoreen who id expect to be sprung from the bench at some stage. He deserves a shot as much as every after a decent campaign earlier in the season but I think he is more natural to CF.
Aidan O'Shea's best position is at number 11. I just hope that he can overcome his recent poor form for Saturday but it is the position Mayo should be looking at him for in the future.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
Aidan O'Shea's best position is at number 11. I just hope that he can overcome his recent poor form for Saturday but it is the position Mayo should be looking at him for in the future.
I wouldnt disagree, he played some brilliant football there for the minors. He was exceptional in the first Tyrone game in Croke Park as he caught balls around the middle and ran defences ragged.
Since then he has gotten much bulkier so my only concern is if has the mobility for it at IC level. I know he plays well there for Breaffy and its a commonly held belief its his best position but I wont be totally convinced until I see it at Senior level for Mayo.
Its an unorthodox selection from a Mayo standpoint. I mean, he is a powerhouse who causes panic when he runs in straight lines at defences, as he has no major dummy or jink that Declan O Suillivan, Dillon, Alan Brogan, Seán Cavanagh or the likes have. My point is we are used to seeing very polished and silky skilled players playing Centre Forward so it will be interesting to see how he does and what that dynamic it will bring to the game.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2010, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
Aidan O'Shea's best position is at number 11. I just hope that he can overcome his recent poor form for Saturday but it is the position Mayo should be looking at him for in the future.
I wouldnt disagree, he played some brilliant football there for the minors. He was exceptional in the first Tyrone game in Croke Park as he caught balls around the middle and ran defences ragged.
Since then he has gotten much bulkier so my only concern is if has the mobility for it at IC level. I know he plays well there for Breaffy and its a commonly held belief its his best position but I wont be totally convinced until I see it at Senior level for Mayo.
Its an unorthodox selection from a Mayo standpoint. I mean, he is a powerhouse who causes panic when he runs in straight lines at defences, as he has no major dummy or jink that Declan O Suillivan, Dillon, Alan Brogan, Seán Cavanagh or the likes have. My point is we are used to seeing very polished and silky skilled players playing Centre Forward so it will be interesting to see how he does and what that dynamic it will bring to the game.
He's quite a polished player himself. I think you're being unfair on him, just describing him as all power and no panache. My main concern would be his current form, not his ability in the role. We'll see how he goes Saturday.
Can we just assume that is going to be the team? Apart from playing Trevor Howley at cb I quite like the team, but would prefer if Harte was fit to start. Don t get me wrong I think Howley should start - but in his best role, doing what he does for the club. His problems at 6 will be compounded at 2. He s loose and ball watches, probably too slow for the position and will foul as a result.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:44:14 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2010, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
Aidan O'Shea's best position is at number 11. I just hope that he can overcome his recent poor form for Saturday but it is the position Mayo should be looking at him for in the future.
I wouldnt disagree, he played some brilliant football there for the minors. He was exceptional in the first Tyrone game in Croke Park as he caught balls around the middle and ran defences ragged.
Since then he has gotten much bulkier so my only concern is if has the mobility for it at IC level. I know he plays well there for Breaffy and its a commonly held belief its his best position but I wont be totally convinced until I see it at Senior level for Mayo.
Its an unorthodox selection from a Mayo standpoint. I mean, he is a powerhouse who causes panic when he runs in straight lines at defences, as he has no major dummy or jink that Declan O Suillivan, Dillon, Alan Brogan, Seán Cavanagh or the likes have. My point is we are used to seeing very polished and silky skilled players playing Centre Forward so it will be interesting to see how he does and what that dynamic it will bring to the game.
He's quite a polished player himself. I think you're being unfair on him, just describing him as all power and no panache. My main concern would be his current form, not his ability in the role. We'll see how he goes Saturday.
Well hang on a sec, I didnt meant to be taken up like that.
He is actually an exceptional footballer in my eyes and has a certain panache to him. I think he has a wonderful strike of the ball and has the ability to carry it through or around the best.
But I dont believe that the players I mentioned have near the power or tackle breaking ability he has.
I wouldnt be very worried about his current form. I said it here before, that Cork marked him out of the game and swarmed him when he got on the ball. That is easy to do when a player is playing in an inside forward line where room is limited. But on a half forward line, especially at CF it will be a different story.
IMO O Shea is the type of player that loves the big day and will rise to any challenge. He is the kind of guy that is afraid of nothing anybody he is playing against and doesnt have the baggage or fear other players may have. I can see him having a big game the next day.
I can't see Howley remaining in corner back. I would imagine he will be put back at no 6 again and Higgins moving to Howley's corner back position. And to be honest, he doesn't cut it there.
With Barden and Kavanagh both likely to play in the full forward line for Longford, whoever plays at corner back will need to be on their toes
The choice of Captain is obvious to me. Keith Higgins.
He may also be the solution at CHB but he tends to be the solution to a lot of problems such as whoever is going well up front for the opposition.
I agree with those who don't see AOS as a CHF. If we aren't going to have the twin towers then maybe we should play Moran at midfield, Freeman at FF and AOS at 15.
Also I disagree with the Caff bashing. When Sligo started O'Hara at FF and put in high balls there was only one winner. Cafferty is well on his way to being a top IC full back. I hope he doesn't read this site as there are those here who might try to persuade him otherwise.
Dillon if he is fully fit, will be a big addition. Andy Moran needs to deliver way more end product. For all of his possession the last day he only scored one point and I don't recall any scores set up either.
As an aside I cannot remember as little interest in a Mayo match in a long time.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:44:14 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2010, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 23, 2010, 11:01:18 AM
Aidan O'Shea's best position is at number 11. I just hope that he can overcome his recent poor form for Saturday but it is the position Mayo should be looking at him for in the future.
I wouldnt disagree, he played some brilliant football there for the minors. He was exceptional in the first Tyrone game in Croke Park as he caught balls around the middle and ran defences ragged.
Since then he has gotten much bulkier so my only concern is if has the mobility for it at IC level. I know he plays well there for Breaffy and its a commonly held belief its his best position but I wont be totally convinced until I see it at Senior level for Mayo.
Its an unorthodox selection from a Mayo standpoint. I mean, he is a powerhouse who causes panic when he runs in straight lines at defences, as he has no major dummy or jink that Declan O Suillivan, Dillon, Alan Brogan, Seán Cavanagh or the likes have. My point is we are used to seeing very polished and silky skilled players playing Centre Forward so it will be interesting to see how he does and what that dynamic it will bring to the game.
He's quite a polished player himself. I think you're being unfair on him, just describing him as all power and no panache. My main concern would be his current form, not his ability in the role. We'll see how he goes Saturday.
Well hang on a sec, I didnt meant to be taken up like that.
He is actually an exceptional footballer in my eyes and has a certain panache to him. I think he has a wonderful strike of the ball and has the ability to carry it through or around the best.
But I dont believe that the players I mentioned have near the power or tackle breaking ability he has.
I wouldnt be very worried about his current form. I said it here before, that Cork marked him out of the game and swarmed him when he got on the ball. That is easy to do when a player is playing in an inside forward line where room is limited. But on a half forward line, especially at CF it will be a different story.
IMO O Shea is the type of player that loves the big day and will rise to any challenge. He is the kind of guy that is afraid of nothing anybody he is playing against and doesnt have the baggage or fear other players may have. I can see him having a big game the next day.
Fair enough, I'd agree more with your comments here than the previous ones. He's a very powerful player but I feel he can be very creative at 11 too. We'll see.
Agree with Muppet on the Ger Caff issue. He's been one of our better players since he was dropped after the Derry game. He's really growing into the role and, at a time when we're struggling in so many positions, we should leave talk of him being a problem well to one side.
Can Longford spring Mayo shock on Saturday
Longford have been involved in a few high profile All-Ireland Qualifiers in recent years and after running the eventual champions Kerry to four points at the local GAA headquarters last season, the Pearse Park factor is a definite advantage in the hope of springing a major shock against Mayo on Saturday evening next, throw-in 7pm.
By Padraic O'Brien | Longford Leader
Back in 2006 Longford scored a sensational win over Derry by a solitary point (1-16 to 2-12) in Round 3 of the qualifiers at Pearse Park and while the current team is clearly not as strong with a couple of key players missing (Padraig Berry and David Barden), there is some good news for manager Glenn Ryan as attacker Brian Kavanagh is back in action after recovering from injury.
A broken bone in his foot ruled Kavanagh out of the recent Leinster Championship clash against Louth in Portlaoise and a lack of scoring power cost Longford dearly, reflected in the numerous missed opportunities at O'Moore Park.
In fact, they failed to register a score for the last half hour in losing by four points (1-11 to 1-7) against a Louth team who were there for the taking.
What Louth achieved in the next round was rather remarkable as they improved beyond recognition to score a shock six-point win over a strongly fancied Kildare outfit at Pairc Tailteann in Navan and the wee county are now looking forward to a semi-final showdown against Westmeath at Croke Park on Sunday next with high hopes of reaching the Leinster Senior Football Final for the first time since 1960.
Longford must settle instead for a second chance against the might of Mayo, the 2009 Connacht champions who ended up in the qualifiers after falling at the first hurdle in the current provincial campaign when suffering a surprise 0-15 to 1-8 defeat against Sligo who have emerged as a real force to be reckoned with under the guidance of former Galway star Kevin Walsh.
A recent article in the Sunday Independent suggested that Mayo had no soul or spirit and were going nowhere fast and while that appears to be a rather harsh statement with a lot of talented players at their disposal, manager John O'Mahony is obviously under pressure and the supporters of the success starved western county will be demanding a big impact in the qualifiers.
Having said that, Mayo did manage to win the All-Ireland U-21 Football Championship title in 2006 and seven players who featured in that final victory against Cork (1-13 to 1-11) four years ago were in action against Sligo in the recent disappointing defeat at Markievicz Park.
Defenders Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins and Tom Cunniffe and forwards Seamus O'Shea and Enda Varley all started against Sligo while Mark Ronaldson and Barry Moran were brought on in the closing stages of the game.
A steady supply of quality footballers have emerged in Mayo during the past number of years and that is hardly surprising when you take into account that they also contested the 2001 and 2004 All-Ireland U-21 Finals, losing to Tyrone and Armagh respectively, and the Connacht county have also appeared in five All-Ireland Minor Finals since 1999.
But the bitter disappointment of defeat was suffered on each occasion, starting with Down 11 years ago and subsequent failures against Cork (2000), Down (2005), Tyrone (2008) and Armagh (2009). The tussle with Tyrone ended in a draw but Mayo lost the replay after extra-time at Longford's Pearse Park.
Mayo also reached the All-Ireland Senior Football Final in 2004 and 2006 but found the going too tough against Kerry on both occasions with the Kingdom really lording it at Croke Park in the 2006 decider as they cruised to a most emphatic 4-15 to 3-5 title triumph.
That was a crushing blow for Mayo football in a decade of under achieving when it came to the crunch and their tale of woe continued when they also had to settle for second best against Meath (2-15 to 1-15) in last year's All-Ireland quarter-final, a game they were confidently expected to win at the expense of the royal county who came through the qualifiers.
Politician John O'Mahony TD returned to manage Mayo in 2007 after a previous spell in charge 16 years previously and while he guided his native county to the National League Division 1 Final against Cork this season it was the same old story as they crashed to a disappointing 1-17 to 0-12 defeat at Croke Park.
With Alan Dillon and Aidan Kilcoyne (who both missed the Sligo game) having recovered from injury, the Mayo attack is back to full strength with full-forward Alan Freeman providing a major threat along with the Mortimer brothers Conor and Trevor while former Longford Town soccer player Andy Moran is also expected to feature up front.
Ex-Minor star Aidan O'Shea is also in contention to start against Longford while Tom Parsons will probably be partnered at centrefield by Ronan McGarrity with Billy Joe Padden another option in the middle of the park.
Make no mistake about it, Mayo will be extremely hard beaten despite the current struggle but playing at Pearse Park must be worth a few points to Longford who are hoping that Diarmuid Masterson recovers from a knee injury with a scan revealing no serious damage.
If Diarmuid is fit to play he will have to figure prominently in the defence along with the other central figure Enda Williams in a tough battle to contain the threat of the Mayo forwards but Masterson might start alongside Bernard McElvaney at midfield with Barry Gilleran occupying the full-back position as he did in the qualifiers against Leitrim and Kerry last season.
It looks as though Declan Reilly will return to the backs where he is much more effective and thus the roving role of the third midfielder will probably rest with Paddy Dowd who is playing excellent football at the moment.
Longford will be looking to Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden, Francis McGee, Kevin Mulligan and Sean McCormack to make their presence felt in the forward division and all are well capable of posing problems for the Mayo defence.
Whether the home attack can get enough scores to set up a shock result remains to be seen but John O'Mahony's men are clearly the stronger side, reflected in the respective 2010 National League positions with Mayo finishing second in Division 1 while Longford ended up third from bottom in Division 4 ahead of London and Kilkenny - a terrible campaign which has led to increasing calls for the end of the Glenn Ryan regime.
On their previous two trips through the back door Mayo crashed to a bad 2-13 to 1-6 defeat against Derry at Celtic Park in 2007 but almost beat the eventual All-Ireland champions Tyrone a year later at Croke Park with just a solitary point separating the sides.
If Mayo play to their true potential at Pearse Park on Saturday next then they should succeed in beating Longford with a few points to spare.
After all, they hammered Roscommon 3-18 to 0-7 in the Connacht semi-final last year before going on to beat old rivals Galway in the decider with defender Peadar Gardiner scoring the winning point in stoppage time.
A big attendance is expected for this attractive fixture with the bright prospect of an entertaining encounter between attack-minded teams but the odds are stacked against Longford in their quest to end Mayo's interest in this year's All-Ireland Championship.
Copyright Longford Leader
It looks like O'Mahony is doing th usual slobbering with regards team selection, i.e. leaving it until the people go to the match and find out for themselves in the programme. I hope REDCOL's team is correct as it does seem to make brave calls as regards the players who were sloppy the last day.
The word on the street would suggest that REDCOL s team is on the money. What I m hearing though is that Harte starts in midfield with O Sé. Captain and vice captain are gone and Higgins selected at 6. Not sure what the story with Conoreen is. I m expecting him to start as we have 2 rightfooted freetakers starting in Dillon and Freeman already.
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2010, 02:41:54 PM
The word on the street would suggest that REDCOL s team is on the money. What I m hearing though is that Harte starts in midfield with O Sé. Captain and vice captain are gone and Higgins selected at 6. Not sure what the story with Conoreen is. I m expecting him to start as we have 2 rightfooted freetakers starting in Dillon and Freeman already.
Same as above re Harte. Bit of doubt about who will be six. I hear it could be Higgins but it could be Howley too. Conor will start.
The atmosphere on this thread is very nice and I think a lot of that is down to the longford posters who
have been very kind and welcoming during a period of Mayo rehabilitation. With this in mind it would be a pity for Longford to go out at this stage really but if it is in aid of a Mayo resurgence I suppose ...
Two changes from original team - Harte for Mc Garrity
Conor for Ronaldson
Here's John Maughan's two cents: http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/27863
Big changes for Mayo, or so the rumour mill has it
MAYO ADVERTISER, JUNE 25, 2010.
Rumour has it that there will be a raft of changes for our match v Longford tomorrow in Pearse Park. I expect that management have examined every available option for this encounter. I would say it has been a tough couple of weeks for everyone involved since the championship defeat. Management will be fully aware of Mayo's poor 'back door 'record in years past. Both Westmeath and Fermanagh have shortened our summer on two occasions. In fact we have only managed to secure back to back victories when going through the back door on a single occasion, in 2002, when we saw off three teams in a row, beating Roscommon, Limerick, and Tipperary on that occasion.
This visit to Longford is, therefore, a very tricky assignment and it is crucial that the team selected is the right one. I expect at least six changes to the starting line up and possibly even more from the team selected v Sligo. The reality is that the team selected on that occasion just was not good enough. There were mitigating circumstances of course with a number of pre match injuries that limited the options available, but the injury situation appears to be resolved in most instances at this stage. Trevor Howley, Chris Barrett, Pat Harte, Aidan O'Shea, Alan Dillon, Barry Moran, and possibly Mark Ronaldson are all in with a shout of starting this game. There is also a possibility that Mayo will line out with a new midfield pairing in Pat Harte and Seamus O'Shea. This was a sector in which we really struggled to gain primary possession against Sligo. In fact I cannot ever recall a Mayo senior team having to take off both midfielders in a championship match before. I will travel to Pearse Park on Saturday and my wish is that I see a performance that does justice to the jersey. In other words, I would hate to see a Mayo player floating about the park, managing to arrive late at the scene of the action every time a hard ball has to be won. Give us 15 players who are fit and ready to fight and scrap for every ball tomorrow evening, and if Mayo are the hardest working team in Pearse Park then winning will take care of itself!
I was in the bog last Saturday evening when I got a call to say that Down and Tyrone were involved in a cracking match. That was enough for me, and with not a midge in sight I abandoned the job and rushed to Crossmolina for the second half. I should have stayed in the bog. What I witnessed was dreadful. It was the quintessential game of two halves. And of course I missed the best half. I later discovered that Down had really stretched Tyrone and were all over them in the first quarter. But in typical Tyrone fashion, the old wise heads reeled in the youngsters and hit them with six unanswered sucker punches of points just before half time. With Tyrone leading by two points at half time I was anticipating that this new look young Down side would put it up to the ageing Tyrone team and take this match right down to the wire.
Elsewhere Meath have made a serious statement about their intent this year. They have been hugely impressive in their Leinster championship campaign to date. Their match against Dublin is an obvious highlight of the weekend. I think this match will be hugely entertaining.
I am off to Salthill on Sunday to see Sligo against Galway. Sligo don't fear Galway these days and for that very reason I would not be surprised if there was a shock on the cards here. Sligo are by no means world beaters themselves, but they will see this as a fantastic opportunity to get into a Connacht final with a Division four team, Roscommon, between them and a second Connacht title in four years. Now that would be a fairytale!
He was in the bog, got a call and then abandoned the job. Very unhygienic
Two ways to follow tonight's game for those who can't make it to Longford . . . from www.mayogaa.com
Ways to keep in touch with Longford if you can't make it
Unable to get to Pearse Park in Longford this evening? Well there are other ways to keep in touch with how Mayo are getting on in their Round 1 Qualifier clash with Glenn Ryan's Longford.
While the game isn't live on TV, there are two other ways to stay up to date. Mid West Radio are doing live commentary with Mike Finnerty and Billy Fitzpatrick.
Also, in what is a new departure, The Mayo News are doing live updates on their website - www.mayonews.ie - so go there if you want to see something a little different. We're told the updates will be regular, exciting and humorous!
So if you can't make it to Longford, you can always stay in touch. Of course we are recommending that you go to Longford and cheer on the team first hand! Maigh Eo abú!
Doesnt it make you proud as a Mayo man, that even after our capitulation to Cork and Sligo that a thread for a first round qualifier against Longford gets twice as many hits as the Galway-Sligo Connacht semi final thread. Its a pity we cant transfer our talking into All Irelands ;)
I don't know about that PSTG, but the game is all ticket and there will be tickets on sale near the ground. The GAA never ceases to amaze me.
Greetings from Pearse Park! Half time Lory Meagher Cup Longford 1-07 to Leitrim 0-09. No Mayos here yet!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 26, 2010, 05:42:06 PM
Greetings from Pearse Park! Half time Lory Meagher Cup Longford 1-07 to Leitrim 0-09. No Mayos here yet!
You are looking well SS ;)
Freeman at wing forward, Dillion in the corner and Higgins at center back.
Dillion seems to be playing very deep and it sounds like Mayo are getting lots of bodies out the field, they have the wind by the way. Still no score.
Mayo 0-2 (Freeman free, SOS from play) Longford 0-0.
Dillion gone out wing forward and Freeman into the corner.
Mayo 0-4 Longford 0-1.
Mayo 0-05 Longford 0-03
Mayo 0-5 Longford 0-4, AOS is moved from Cen F into FF in a swoop with Barry Moran. Mayo beginning to struggle and are losing midfield (according to the radio anyway).
McLoughlin is off, Howley out to wing back and O'Malley on at corner back. Andy Moran just kicks a 45 and one from play so it's Mayo 0-7 Longford 0-4 now.
mayo struggling a little, but the good news is that the longford lads are trying their best and could not level and Mayo scored 2 points in 1 minute.
Not great stuff, is it? Longford gift wrapped 3 points to Mayo! Barden going off is a blow! One or two bad misses for us! HELLO from behind town goals :-*
What type of crowd is at this match?
According to the radio there's a good crowd at it and a good Mayo turnout, a couple of thousand I think they said.
Mayo 0-9 Longford 0-5, Dillion with 0-3 from play and putting a MOM performance. Ronaldson is on but I didn't get who for. Longford reply with a point from Mulligan 9-6 now.
0-9 0-8 now and Longford on top.
0-9 1-8 now turning into a real dog fight by the sounds of it?
Goal Longford from Paul Kelly.
come on longford. a team that beat kilkenny and london and lost the rest are able to make mayo look that bad, come on longford.
sitting here watching the usa v ghana and listening to mnwr, losing interest in mayo.
imagine what cork would do to us.
The co-commentator is getting over excited on Shannonside :D
Mayo respond with a Freeman point 1-9 to 0-10 now and Parsons is on for Howley, the Mayo midfield pairing is Parsons and Barry Moran. Mayo are in serious trouble.
Not over yet 1-9 to 0-11, Freeman point but should have been a goal according to radio. Longford respond 1-10 0-11, brilliant Kavanagh point, sounds like a great game now.
Higgins sent off, level now after Freeman kicks another fine point.
Edit: Longford back in front with a Mulligan point, only a few minutes left.
Expect Mayo to now win this in a strong finish
Longford are going to beat us..... jesus... i dont know
The co-commentator on shannonside is hilarious.
Freeman on fire now.
Vaughan bad wide
sides level
injury time now
Longford score and are a point up and it's all over, Longford win, Longford win, Longford win!
Sad day for Mayo football. :-[
Deserved and great win for Longford, Mayo football in bigger hole than i can remember for a long time. Maybe since 93.
Great win for Longford 1-12 to14 pts.
One of the biggest shocks in the Gaa world :o Amazing result... kinda takes some of the gloss off that Sligo win now but huge credit to the Longford boys they don't get many day's like this
For Mayo it's the end of the road for JOM & where to now?
Congrats to Longford. Heart goes out to the mayo lads here. That will drive them onto the strongest uncut vodka around.
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 26, 2010, 08:27:07 PM
Expect Mayo to now win this in a strong finish
I hope you didn't have money on it?
Hard to believe that a year that started so well for Mayo has ended up like this. I look forward to the inquest. But the focus must be on Johnno's failures considering he has more talent at his disposal than most counties.
An inquest by who, the fffinn county board or some mickey mouse committee set up by them.
bullshi*.
when you lose to a team that beat kilkenny and london all year long, you can only lay the blame at someones door. jom has lost his team, prior to the league final something happened and now jom and co will walk if they have any backbone, then again he is a politician and will bullshit us and try to save his job.
That is a shockin result for Mayo.....never saw that result comin
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 26, 2010, 08:35:42 PM
Hard to believe that a year that started so well for Mayo has ended up like this. I look forward to the inquest. But the focus must be on Johnno's failures considering he has more talent at his disposal than most counties.
You should start there!!!!!
Back to square one, end of this set-up, management and a lot of players. Bringing BJP on to win a game, summed up the night's work. Well done Longford know a few of the lads, am delighted for them, it goes to show what heart, determination and a desire to win can do for a team. All the attributes that bar Freeman and Dillon were lacking in our team. All the great men that have worn the famous green and red down the years must be ashamed of this set up and crop of players. John o will have plenty of time now for the politics. Back to square one, another 50 years of waiting.
We were beaten by Sligo, we were beaten by Longford. Christ almighty. :-X
Rope will be sold on prescription only for another while in Mayo.
Bring back John Maughan. :P
Well done to Longford, but what the hell is up with Mayo!? Shocking result altogether.
Quote from: joemamas on June 26, 2010, 08:37:27 PM
An inquest by who, the fffinn county board or some mickey mouse committee set up by them. bullshi*.
I meant the inquest on here. I am sure it will run to 50+pages at least. I am genuinely sorry for the real Mayo fans who do not deserve this. However I must say I am delghted for my neigbours accross the Shannon - big wins like this are rare enough for them.
Quote from: MadMayo on June 26, 2010, 08:41:41 PM
We were beaten by Sligo, we were beaten by Longford. Christ almighty. :-X
Rope will be sold on prescription only for another while in Mayo.
Bring back John Maughan. :P
no no please no. lets start afresh
Its not possible to win matches chopping and changing the team for every match ( and during the match !).
After nearly 4 years in charge JOM should know his best team by now,he does not seem to have any faith in
the players that he picks,he drops them like a shot.
If he has no confidence in the players that he picks how does he expect them to deliver.
They have to walk, what is going on when McGarrity and T Mort are mainstays all year then not even brought in in a fight. Sad sad day. I'm in shock, to be honest, the lads try their best but what else is needed? Are Mayo deluding themselves. Are we at at Longford's level now, no disrespect but i mean, 12-20th teams in the country?
Thought Mayo would snatch this at the death. As a Rossie, i better congratulate our Longford neighbours on a remarkable victory.
Hard to believe how Mayo have sunk so low after having a good league campaign before the final.
As a neutral, i don't know about all the intricate ins and outs of Mayo football, but i have a feeling that the road back for this Mayo team will be a long and difficult one.
Many members of that panel have shot their bolt and are finished at inter county level.
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2010, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 26, 2010, 08:27:07 PM
Expect Mayo to now win this in a strong finish
I hope you didn't have money on it?
No Ross, too much sense for that.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done Longford.
Great performance and result...absolutely delighted!!
Only thing is I didnt head down and Im raging....listened to finish on local radio on internet and dancing round the house. Wearing my jersey out 2nite!!!!! ;D
Delighted for Shamrock shore and billys boots but what is up with Mayo?
Well done Longford great result, ye've actually done Mayo a favour by bringing forward the inevitable.
Wow!
More anon ;D
tbh i didnt think we had a hope. i was gladly proven wrong. a proud longfordian tonight :)
Youse Mayo lads can't say I didn't tell you it was coming. This is not a fluke, it's hard to win in Pearse Park - ask Kerry, Dublin, Derry and Down.
I'd like to stay, but I need to go for a mutter in the garden now. ;)
fair play longford fully deserved after the last few years
Well at least they can go on the trip to Portugal they missed now that the championship is over for the year
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on June 26, 2010, 08:59:53 PM
tbh i didnt think we had a hope. i was gladly proven wrong. a proud longfordian tonight :)
I don't know how you weren't expecting this - it's not as if we don't have previous for this sort of thing, and the morale of the opposition was low before the game. Probably the worst Longford team in living memory, but on a summer's evening in Pearse Park ....
Who do we want now lads?! No one will fancy coming to fortress Pearse Park!!
Over the moon, had a good feeling beforehand but didnt think we'd actually do it. Heard Damien Sheridan on shannonside afterwards, very determined and felt team deserved bit of a break this year. Just reading results out on Radio 1 again, wont get tired of that!!
Also hurlers into Lory Meagher final, good day all round!!
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on June 26, 2010, 08:59:53 PM
tbh i didnt think we had a hope. i was gladly proven wrong. a proud longfordian tonight :)
I don't know how you weren't expecting this - it's not as if we don't have previous for this sort of thing, and the morale of the opposition was low before the game. Probably the worst Longford team in living memory, but on a summer's evening in Pearse Park ....
this is why, i mean only beating london and kilkenny in the league. i expected a decent hard working, respectable performance but not a win. as i said, gladly proven wrong. pearse park really is a difficult place for opponents though it seems.
all thats needed now is to draw cork away ;)
It doesn't matter to me who we draw next FP, my in-laws (in Mayo) are going to get it in the neck for a while.
it's just been announced on MWR that John O'Mahony has stepped down.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 26, 2010, 09:17:35 PM
It doesn't matter to me who we draw next FP, my in-laws (in Mayo) are going to get it in the neck for a while.
would love a weekend trip like '06 again :)
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
More than the team I am afraid.
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Thanks for the compliments.
GOWAN the Larries!!!!!
great win lads,well done.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Thanks for the compliments.
we certainly deserve more credit than that. the lads worked their bollockses off. dowd was immense.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Thanks for the compliments.
Sorry about the above, no offence to Longford intended! Just sickened after a horrible day! Best of luck to ye in the rest of the championship lads! Ye done us a favour in the longrun Longfordians, and for that I am grateful!
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Thanks for the compliments.
Sorry about the above, no offence to Longford intended! Just sickened after a horrible day! Best of luck to ye in the rest of the championship lads! Ye done us a favour in the longrun Longfordians, and for that I am grateful!
No problem.
Just think of us as having brought you - and all the other modest, gracious Mayo supporters - your annual reality check a bit earlier than usual. I'm sure there'll be someone else along next year to continue the tradition.
Now maybe ye Longford lads will understand why we don't love our Western neighbours :D
Well done again Longford ...hope our lads can take inspiration from ye.
Told a Longford friend of mine last week that all was not well in the Mayo camp and that Longford could win. Congrats to Longford from what I heard on Mid West they seemed like a far hungrier team. On the plus side Freeman seems like a great prospect but then again so did Aiden O'Shea this time last year :'(
Well done Longford, got a great cheer in Newbridge when the result came in. Delighted for Glenn.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 26, 2010, 10:12:12 PM
Wow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever. Mayo were more pathetic than Longford and good riddance to Johonno. Major redo of the whole mayo team needed.
Thanks for the compliments.
Sorry about the above, no offence to Longford intended! Just sickened after a horrible day! Best of luck to ye in the rest of the championship lads! Ye done us a favour in the longrun Longfordians, and for that I am grateful!
No problem.
Just think of us as having brought you - and all the other modest, gracious Mayo supporters - your annual reality check a bit earlier than usual. I'm sure there'll be someone else along next year to continue the tradition.
It is a sad day for Mayo football fans and I am sure that Longford have had many disappointments down the years also. I don't think that any team has a 'rightful' place as ye have proven tonight so you'll forgive me for continuing to hope that some year we will get it right and avoid the reality check that you seem keen that we receive each and every summer. Good luck to Longford in the next round.
It's a sad day for Mayo football when we are beaten by a shite team like Longford.
Todays result is proof that all is not well in the Mayo camp.
Well done Longford.
Congrats to Longford. Better team won and this was a break that you were overdue. And please do not take the thoughts of 'MadMayo' as anyway representative of the average Mayo supporter
But from a Mayo view point.....
QuoteWow, what a bad match. One of the worst i've been at ever.
I couldn't agree with that. I thought there was actually quite a decent intensity about it and it was exciting. What is a reality is that both teams made a painful amount of basic kicking and handling errors and both had a lot of porr decision making - more so Mayo. The disappointing aspect of this from a Mayo point of view was the errors were made due to fear of making a mistake .... from Freemans first free kicked short (although in fairness he certainly recovered well) to Vaughans poor shot for a lead point 1 minute into injury time. The loss is all the more frustrating imho in that had we sneaked away with a 1 point win rather than a loss i think the team would have improved imeasureably from the confidence gained from coming on top in 1 ding-dong battle .... a confidence that could have seen us progress for another game or 2 - depending on the draw of course. Anyone that says we are better off being put out of our misery now is i think talking BS and hasn't forgotten what supporting your team is all about.
As for O'Mahony going .... good riddance. We have gone further backwards every year and there will be no backlash for him cos he has the politicial speak mastered at this stage..... even to the extent of brainwashing the players after the game today about the need to stick together and getting a silence from them with regards talking to the press. We need it all out on the table now and everyone allowed to offer an opinion.
Blast05, Chimley, et al.
Thanks for the good wishes. I've no problem whatsoever with the majority of Mayo supporters on this board or IRL. What pisses me off is morons who respond to their own team's defeat by calling us "nobodies" and "shite".
It's the Larries night Laureleye and none of the gobshites can take that away. Enjoy.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 26, 2010, 10:59:38 PM
Blast05, Chimley, et al.
Thanks for the good wishes. I've no problem whatsoever with the majority of Mayo supporters on this board or IRL. What pisses me off is morons who respond to their own team's defeat by calling us "nobodies" and "shite".
Well yiz aren't exactly Kerry now are ye! ???
And I said well done
Quote from: MadMayo on June 26, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
It's a sad day for Mayo football when we are beaten by a shite team like Longford.
Todays result is proof that all is not well in the Mayo camp.
Well done Longford.
Probably the worst "compliment" ever paid on here.
Just spoke aul Boy, who went, he wasn't even surprised, just disappointed , again.
FL/MAYO- dont give up on O'Shea. he was by superb against us in the first minor final in 08, and will be a great. He
minded me of mc Hale, who I used to watch/admire when attending many Mayo games as a kid.
Its another big win for an unfancied county in a game they would never previously have had a chance to play. Back door isn't all bad......
On a positive note, Freeman seems like a good prospect.
Well done to longford on today s win hope all the longford boys on the board here enjoy the night and the rest of the championship really hope ye get a run going . I was away today so just got a text to say we lost and to tell you the truth i was not really surprised i knew it was going to be tough to get a result and so it turned out another year over at least we have been put out of our misery early
This Mayogaablog guy should be more gracious in defeat http://audioboo.fm/boos/145604-longford-1-12-mayo-0-14-audio-report-gaa-mayogaa can he not just say Mayo were beaten by the better team on the day & once again league mean's nothing when it come's to the Championship
Best of luck in the Next round Longford who know's where this win will bring you
FFS don't call any other county shite. Longford lads slogged it out in the cold of winter just like our lads. If you have an axe to grind, grind it at home. Well done Longford. Enjoy.
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2010, 11:43:11 PM
This Mayogaablog guy should be more gracious in defeat http://audioboo.fm/boos/145604-longford-1-12-mayo-0-14-audio-report-gaa-mayogaa can he not just say Mayo were beaten by the better team on the day & once again league mean's nothing when it come's to the Championship
Best of luck in the Next round Longford who know's where this win will bring you
In all fairness to WJ he's like the backbone of the Mayo supporters, his audio boo just reflected the low point that all of us are feeling this evening. I'm sure if you read his report tomorrow it will relect Longfords superiorety. He's not a man given to me fein ism.
I knew ye couldnt have any luck for humiliating us last year :'(
Was working this evening and couldn't go but believe it or not this result got a cheer from a small group of Leitrim men just after a league game had finished in the middle of county Leitrim. Disgusted I wasn't there but had a good feeling about this game,must have been drinking the same water as you Billy. Just console myself by keep say they'd have been bet if I was there. Now should I go to the next game or not??
Quote from: An Fear Rua on June 26, 2010, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: MadMayo on June 26, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
It's a sad day for Mayo football when we are beaten by a shite team like Longford.
Todays result is proof that all is not well in the Mayo camp.
Well done Longford.
Probably the worst "compliment" ever paid on here.
Just spoke aul Boy, who went, he wasn't even surprised, just disappointed , again.
FL/MAYO- dont give up on O'Shea. he was by superb against us in the first minor final in 08, and will be a great. He
minded me of mc Hale, who I used to watch/admire when attending many Mayo games as a kid.
Its another big win for an unfancied county in a game they would never previously have had a chance to play. Back door isn't all bad......
AFR, O'Shea had a bad year this year probably due to to much football and the expectations that have been put on his shoulders by the county. I have seen quotes on here stating that he is "the past, present and future of Mayo football" sure in how many other county would they put such expectations on young shoulders. I am sure he can turn it around next year like yourself I believe he has a ton of potential.
Depression city.
Well done Longford.
Best team by a long way.
Not long after waking up here in Sydney, the cat was up on the bed giving me the death stare, shouldn't have been surprised when I turned on the phone to check the result.
The cat's still staring at me and the wife's still crowing about the rugby result.
I'm off to do a Mayo on the golf course this afternoon, well done to all the Longfod lads on here, Billy was telling us all week what was going to happen.
Longford were the better hungrier team. I'm tired of everything now and I'll go to bed and write up a bit of a report in the morning... >:(
Right then, time for a 4am drunken rant!
The fact that O'Mahony has resigned shouldn't spare him from what needs to be said about himself and his 4 year tenure. I haven't seen a more disorganised, clueless rabble of a football team than the Mayo team I have watched in the last three games. A team full of players that clearly have the natural ability to go a long way undermined by a manager who either knows nothing or couldn't care less about Mayo football relative to his own political ambitions.
I mean, that really was a piss poor Longford team. No offence intended lads, but it was. The amount of ball they stupidly and needlessly kicked away was incredible. And they still won the game. Mayo, on the other hand, clearly had the players but had absolutely no set up whatsoever to make things happen. Dillon, Freeman, SOS, all really natural footballers. You basically had 15 very talented players fcuked out on the pitch to see what could happen with no game plan, no strategy and no idea what to do if things weren't working out.
O'Mahony is living in the dark ages in terms of tactics. The game has changed since 2001. A straight 15 against 15 doesn't work anymore, you have to get men behind the ball when you don't have it. And Mayo have never done that under O'Mahony. So anytime we attack and don't score, we're vulnerable at the back on the counter. He didn't have a clue how to change things today. I mean Billy Joe f**king Padden. Again. Never an inter county player and never will be. No changes at midfield until we had gone behind. It was too late then, Longford filtered back and shut us out. If it was the other way around we wouldn't have been able to do the same thing in a hundred years with O'Mahony in charge, he hadn't a f**king clue.
The only positive I could take from the game was Mr Gearoid O Connamha. Clearly a Galway man with Mayo football at his heart. Fair play to him, he was determined that Longford would win today and did everything within his powers to make it happen. Maybe he wanted his name next to the headline of the day in tomorrow's papers. Or maybe he's a closet Mayo fan and wanted to ensure that we were put out of our misery as soon as possible so we could get rid of the scouge that has blighted our senior team for four years and give us as much time as possible to build for next season. Thanks Gearoid, you've unintentionally done us a massive favour.
As for you 'Johnno', make sure you don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
Congratulations Longford, best of luck from here on in. Shit, its getting bright outside, I should go to bed!
Well done to Glenn and his Larries!
Well done to Longford. When the game was there to be won at the end Ye stepped up and got the score.
From a Mayo point of view Ive never seen the team so low and having so little confidence. What has happened this bunch of players over the last 12 months. Every single move of the match had some kind of error in it. Most scores were handed to us by Longford. Basic skills of the game, kicking, handpassing, soloing. Lads couldn't do it. At one stage one of the Mayo players was bursting out of defence, he tried to solo, dropped the ball, got it back and handpassed it to a Longford man. This kind of stuff went on all day. I could go on but their is little point at this stage. The last 12 months has put us back so far. I don't know what manager would want this job after yesterday.
Another point and I don't want this to take anything away from Longford because they can probably pick out many examples from a Longford point of view but I have never seen such an incompetent display of refferring as I did from Georoid O Cuntamha. This man really hasn't got a clue. Its the same shite every time he steps onto a pitch. I don't mind a ref missing something, We are all human and cant get everything but when a ref is blowing for stuff that obviously hasn't happened you have to start to wonder what is his agenda. How can you blow for a pick of the ground when the whole ground can clearly see he put his foot under it. If you think he picked it off the ground but didn't see it you shouldn't be blowing. No wonder Higgins fucked you out of it. And this happened more then once during the game. Inconsistent interpretation of the rules. I could go on all day about frees he gave or didn't give. Hes not the only ref at this shit of giving a frees because he presumes a foul happened and to be honest its really starting to turn me off going to games
Well, I thought it was a great second half. First was poor from both sides.
Some of the Mayo comments on Longford here are in poor taste. Lads, go and shite. We know what we are and what we aren't. Sure, we gift wrapped at least 3 Mayo points and, sure, some of the passing was aimless but to call any opposition "piss poor" or "shite" is not on in my opinion.
I was surprised at how Longford took control of midfield and times and out full baclk line was heroic. Paddy Dowd had a stormer (lhard to miss with the blond flowing locks) How Mayo missed that goal with 10 or so mins to go I'll never know. It seemed the Gods were on our side. I had a feeling Mayo got reduced to 14 cos of verbals but it must have been some rant to get a straight red. Most know I am no fan of Gerry Kinneavy but I'll admit he did Mayo no favours. I had all but accepted extra time when he blew for what I thought was a foul on a Mayo lad at the very end, but, no. It was the full time whistle.
Joy joy joy. In 40+ years of being a Longford supporter I can recall only 6 or so moments like that. Beating Dubs in Nat Laeage in Croker in 1985, O'Byrne Cup win in 2000, qualifer wins agin Down, Derry and finally league win over Kerry in 2005.
I thought Pearse Park looked great. The mood was sombre until the last 10 mins as tension seemed to sap the energy of the crowd. Coming out I heard a Mayo lad bitterly curse and suggest that a barricade be mounted in Tarmonbarry to stop Mayo team bus crossing back into Connacht!! Which was funny, but sad as well.
On a final note well done to Longford hurlers who are in the Lory Meagher (or Laurel and Hardy) Cup final next Sun in Croker. Now, Longford hurlers in Croke Park in a cup final.....Lonford footballers beat Mayo in Championship, Longford minor footballers in Leinster semi final......
Great times for me, Laurel, Billy, Forfeit, Longfordian, North Longford, Qwerty and last, but never least, Hardy
I could actually cry this morning - the dream has died again for a very long time, and the whole thing is a shambles.
Well done to Longford - tactically they had a plan, but they had spirit and a hunger for the big win and they put in a 10 minute rush of 1-4 in the second half. It was a quality of football which any team would be proud of. As I said last week a team like Longford looking a big scalp knows once they got a bit of dominance they could push Mayo over the edge.
Dont let them get you down shamrock you get immune to there arrogance in time
QuoteI had a feeling Mayo got reduced to 14 cos of verbals but it must have been some rant to get a straight red
How the blazes did i miss that ? Who got sent off and when ?
Blast you must have really been in denial!!
Keith Higgins with about 6/7 minutes to go. Free in the middle of the park given against him for handling ball on the ground. He threw the ball to the ground and said something to the ref who produced a red straight away! Unprecedented in my memory that a player sent off for verbals.
Higgins went for verbals 5 minutes before the end. The verbals were justified to be honest. I wouldn't be one for blaming refs and there are certainly others far more to blame for this, but O Connamha really was a joke. It says it all when someone as sensible on a pitch as Higgins feels the need to f**k him out of it.
I was going to edit my earlier (drunken) comment to something less controversial like 'limited' or 'hungrier' or 'brave' or some other patronising shite, but i won't for two reasons. Firstly, to suggest that Longford were anything other than poor on the night would be to suggest that Mayo were somehow caught on the hop by a team at their top of their game and were unluckily beaten (which would be a load of crap).
Secondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us. Surely it's better that you get an honest assessment of how your team played from someone at the game. They did not play particularly well and, much as I would like to see them (and genuinely hope they will be) in Croker in August, its as well to be honest and say that big improvement will be needed on last nights performance to achieve that. Maybe you have that improvement in you but if you are happy enough for people to tell you you're great after last night and don't strive to build and improve on your achievement then you're wasting your time.
In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
Well done to the Larries a super result for them and a big scalp. Who would have thought it after the muck that both us and them played in Portlaoise on the first day out! Well done and we'll see you lot again in the quarter finals :D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 27, 2010, 09:49:54 AM
Some of the Mayo comments on Longford here are in poor taste. Lads, go and shite. We know what we are and what we aren't. Sure, we gift wrapped at least 3 Mayo points and, sure, some of the passing was aimless but to call any opposition "piss poor" or "shite" is not on in my opinion.
Exactly, and I can say that with conviction, having backed up my opinion of which was the piss poor team with hard cash in advance at 9/2. For any Mayo person who watched their last two championship performances and the antics of their management to label any other team "piss poor" is amusing. Especially a team playing at home on a pitch that has been a graveyard for better teams than Mayo 2010.
I love being a Larry. Now if Meath can beat Dublin by 5 points or more today at 11/2 it'll make a grand weekend of it.
Here's my own tuppence worth.
Full-back line of Barrett, Cafferkey and Howley early on, did ok when we had the breeze. However, Barrett wasn't his usual defending self and when Longford kicked the ball in high in the 2nd half - Cafferkey was always behind his man.
Half-backs. Vaughan Jesus Christ, I don't know how many attacking runs he made but he certainly didn't want to get back and defend. Not good enough imo. Howley when out on Dowd got a few early blocks but was terrible afterwards I thought. Higgins played very well but unfortunately must have effed that Galway p***k out of it near the end. Coudn't believe he got red. I hate to say it, but McLoughlin didn't make any impact at all and Dowd's shoulder flattened him and he was taken off.
Midfield. Average. Longford won most (if not all) the clean possession when the chips were down. O'Shea was just about better than Harte, who if moysider is correct had an injury going into the game. Why pick an injured player???
Half-forwards. Moran does what he does every year, doesn't score much at all in championship matches when needed and will come out of the blocks flying next Feb/March/April if he's still there. That is giving him a gloss I think. A O'S had a poor game I thought, I don't remember him doing anything much of note. Dillon played his heart out and must be sickened with the whole thing.
Full-forward line. Conor, he either went on a solo or passed to dillon, did O'Mahony instruct him to do this. He scored early on I think but that's about it. Barry Moran played good early on when he got the ball, but bringing him out the middle was a silly foolish move. Freeman played okish I suppose.
However, Longford must have known Mayo's tendancy to solo into silly spaces and Glenn Ryan had them well versed on how to win the ball back from the Mayo forwards. I don't begrudge them a victory. You'd swear to Christ that every bitter twisted Rossie thinks we do judging by Rossfan's and mjg's points on here. In fact the only people I would begrudge seeing in a county jersey again would be our own shambolic outfit. Next year will be 60 years since we won Sam. And it looks like it will be another 60 going by what we are witnessing.
Mayogodhelpus will have some job defending the blueshirt movement in Mayo now.
Quote from: Hardy on June 27, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
For any Mayo person who watched their last two championship performances and the antics of their management to label any other team "piss poor" is amusing.
Believe me Hardy, my opinion of the antics of our management this summer makes piss poor seem like a massive compliment!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on June 27, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
For any Mayo person who watched their last two championship performances and the antics of their management to label any other team "piss poor" is amusing.
Believe me Hardy, my opinion of the antics of our management this summer makes piss poor seem like a massive compliment!
The management can't execute the basic skills for the players though. I don't think Mayo have a lot of naturally talented footballers at present. Having said that Mayo had no direction from the line this year.
Pearse Park is a very difficukt place to go. In 2005 they should have beaten us there. Against kerry last year- kerry were steeped. Its tight and longford generally play well there.
Unfortunately I watched Louth v Longford on the web a few weeks back. Thought it was the worst game I've ever seen. Yet Louth have beaten Kildare and Longford have beaten Mayo. Lost a few quid last night shall we say. Just shows with championship- any little bit of complacency and you can get caught.
The perceived weaker teams raise themselves against what is termed the big guns.
Not surprised in the slightest of what happened, sure how could ya be given the previous two championship displays. In a twisted way I was nearly hoping for it so that JOM would have to step down. OK, we might not have the most talented bunch of players but the least you expect is a gameplan and a bit of hunger. For a man that was dubbed the messiah of Mayo football (mostly by people from outside Mayo), he has fcucked off now and left a shambles in his wake. I remember the game in salthill in 2007 prior to the election and he had about 10 jeeps with people canvasing for him wearing Mayo jerseys outside the ground. That pissed me off because it was clear to be seen that he took the job as manager to get himself into the Dail. Kevin McStay says Mayo need a genesis type report, jaysus...can the county board even afford the f**king A4 paper to write it on?
Have that great, satisfied feeling today you get after a sporting victory!!
I know its only first round of qualifiers but a win over any "big" county has to be celebrated!
Hope this can drive the team and county on.....have to look to likes of Westmeath, Wexford etc who in recent years have reached Leinster finals...think thats what team should be trying to aim for. Hope Louth can get result today and have oppertunity of final appearence.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AMSecondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us.
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In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
I don't think any of us are looking for compliments. Not being insulted will do just fine.
We're all too well aware of our limitations. We know we're not Kerry or Tyrone.
That is the difference between us and you. You haven't won a Senior All-Ireland in almost 60 years but you behave as if you were a superpower because you regularly win provincial titles in a province where you're the second largest of five counties.
Having huffed and blown every summer about how great you are, you then fall flat on your arses when faced with serious opposition and whinge about it for the rest of the year. No other county in Ireland - not Cavan, not Roscommon, not even Dublin - have a perception of their own capabilities so totally divorced from reality.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
Having huffed and blown every summer about how great you are, you then fall flat on your arses when faced with serious opposition and whinge about it for the rest of the year. No other county in Ireland - not Cavan, not Roscommon, not even Dublin - have a perception of their own capabilities so totally divorced from reality.
We're great talkers alright, this board proves that. But I can assure you that the perception of the 'hype' that surrounds the county team is a myth perpetuated outside the county based on goings on 12 to 15 years ago when we sort of semi emerged from the footballing wilderness. The stories you read bear no relation to what its actually been like in the county in the last 10 years, even during the memorable 04 and 06 campaigns. I think you'll find that most Mayo fans both here on this board and elsewhere are realistic enough to understand where we are at, and sadly its not where we'd like to be. But we have seen enough achievement at club, underage and senior level in the last 10 years to know that we are capable of far more than we have shown under O'Mahony. Our capabilities do not stretch to winning AIs at this point in time, but you will not find (m)any serious Mayo posters on here in the last year saying that we are up there with Cork and Kerry in the charge for honours. We're not deluded.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AMSecondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us.
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In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
I don't think any of us are looking for compliments. Not being insulted will do just fine.
We're all too well aware of our limitations. We know we're not Kerry or Tyrone.
That is the difference between us and you. You haven't won a Senior All-Ireland in almost 60 years but you behave as if you were a superpower because you regularly win provincial titles in a province where you're the second largest of five counties.
Having huffed and blown every summer about how great you are, you then fall flat on your arses when faced with serious opposition and whinge about it for the rest of the year. No other county in Ireland - not Cavan, not Roscommon, not even Dublin - have a perception of their own capabilities so totally divorced from reality.
LaurelEye, now your just talking crap. You can look at this whatever way you like,
IT IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO BE BEATEN BY LONGFORD IN CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL.
End of story.
Quote from: MadMayo on June 27, 2010, 01:34:31 PM
LaurelEye, now your just talking crap. You can look at this whatever way you like,
IT IS AN EMBARESMENT TO BE BEATEN BY LONGFORD IN CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL.
End of story.
God knows Mayo should be used to
EMBARRASSMENT by now.
Best of luck in the Junior Cert, by the way.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: MadMayo on June 27, 2010, 01:34:31 PM
LaurelEye, now your just talking crap. You can look at this whatever way you like,
IT IS AN EMBARESMENT TO BE BEATEN BY LONGFORD IN CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL.
End of story.
God knows Mayo should be used to EMBARRASSMENT by now.
Best of luck in the Junior Cert, by the way.
Thanks old man....... :-*
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
Whether Mayo supporters like it or not, it is a great result for the Gaa and if I was a neutral I would be absolutely thrilled for Longford and I hope that they get a home draw and do it again. Sligo, Wexford and others have had great runs through the qualifiers and elevated themselves to the levels of contenders and I sincerely hope Longford kick on from this and do the same.
Flashback: 1996 All Ireland semi-final. Mayo had just beaten Kerry for the 1st time in donkeys year, the thing that struck me most though was how well Kerry and their supporters handled an unexpected defeat. They didn't cry about how they possibly could lose to 'Mayo!'. They congratulated us and promised to be back the following year.
Good post Muppet and reflective of most Mayo posters and not the few who are letting themselves down I'd imagine.
Mayo were embarrassing yesterday. We were embarrassing against Sligo. That is not to take away from either team. Sligo should have beaten us by more. So should Longford. There was a decent gap between Mayo and both those teams. Enjoy your victory lads, if it was over any other county I would be revelling in the romance of it. But it wasn't against any other county. It was against our own, four years into what was flagged as a whole new era for Mayo football. We've been made fools of. I don't think anyone posting here is trying to be dismissive of Longford. Or being arrogant. Just very angry with the whole sorry mess that is our football scene at the minute. Best of luck in the next round Larries.
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
Higgins went for verbals 5 minutes before the end. The verbals were justified to be honest. I wouldn't be one for blaming refs and there are certainly others far more to blame for this, but O Connamha really was a joke. It says it all when someone as sensible on a pitch as Higgins feels the need to f**k him out of it.
I was going to edit my earlier (drunken) comment to something less controversial like 'limited' or 'hungrier' or 'brave' or some other patronising shite, but i won't for two reasons. Firstly, to suggest that Longford were anything other than poor on the night would be to suggest that Mayo were somehow caught on the hop by a team at their top of their game and were unluckily beaten (which would be a load of crap).
Secondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us. Surely it's better that you get an honest assessment of how your team played from someone at the game. They did not play particularly well and, much as I would like to see them (and genuinely hope they will be) in Croker in August, its as well to be honest and say that big improvement will be needed on last nights performance to achieve that. Maybe you have that improvement in you but if you are happy enough for people to tell you you're great after last night and don't strive to build and improve on your achievement then you're wasting your time.
In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
Cosmo, in fairness, i don't think the Longford lads on here are looking for any praise from Mayo people.
They simply objected to some of the condescending remarks of 'Mad Mayo' and a few other clowns who claimed that Longford are this that and the other.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
We'll take what we get. :)
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 27, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
Higgins went for verbals 5 minutes before the end. The verbals were justified to be honest. I wouldn't be one for blaming refs and there are certainly others far more to blame for this, but O Connamha really was a joke. It says it all when someone as sensible on a pitch as Higgins feels the need to f**k him out of it.
I was going to edit my earlier (drunken) comment to something less controversial like 'limited' or 'hungrier' or 'brave' or some other patronising shite, but i won't for two reasons. Firstly, to suggest that Longford were anything other than poor on the night would be to suggest that Mayo were somehow caught on the hop by a team at their top of their game and were unluckily beaten (which would be a load of crap).
Secondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us. Surely it's better that you get an honest assessment of how your team played from someone at the game. They did not play particularly well and, much as I would like to see them (and genuinely hope they will be) in Croker in August, its as well to be honest and say that big improvement will be needed on last nights performance to achieve that. Maybe you have that improvement in you but if you are happy enough for people to tell you you're great after last night and don't strive to build and improve on your achievement then you're wasting your time.
In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
Cosmo, in fairness, i don't think the Longford lads on here are looking for any praise from Mayo people.
They simply objected to some of the condescending remarks of 'Mad Mayo' and a few other clowns who claimed that Longford are this that and the other.
Fair enough.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
We'll take what we get. :)
Thought the qualifiers are for the weekend of the 11th?
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 27, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
Higgins went for verbals 5 minutes before the end. The verbals were justified to be honest. I wouldn't be one for blaming refs and there are certainly others far more to blame for this, but O Connamha really was a joke. It says it all when someone as sensible on a pitch as Higgins feels the need to f**k him out of it.
I was going to edit my earlier (drunken) comment to something less controversial like 'limited' or 'hungrier' or 'brave' or some other patronising shite, but i won't for two reasons. Firstly, to suggest that Longford were anything other than poor on the night would be to suggest that Mayo were somehow caught on the hop by a team at their top of their game and were unluckily beaten (which would be a load of crap).
Secondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us. Surely it's better that you get an honest assessment of how your team played from someone at the game. They did not play particularly well and, much as I would like to see them (and genuinely hope they will be) in Croker in August, its as well to be honest and say that big improvement will be needed on last nights performance to achieve that. Maybe you have that improvement in you but if you are happy enough for people to tell you you're great after last night and don't strive to build and improve on your achievement then you're wasting your time.
In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
Cosmo, in fairness, i don't think the Longford lads on here are looking for any praise from Mayo people.
They simply objected to some of the condescending remarks of 'Mad Mayo' and a few other clowns who claimed that Longford are this that and the other.
Hang on a second, all I said is that Longford are shite and it was an embarrassment for Mayo to loose to them. Whats the big deal ??? Remember they only bet London and Kilkenny this year!! Mayo to be fair aren't too far off the mark!!
You cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear!
Quote from: INDIANA on June 27, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
We'll take what we get. :)
Thought the qualifiers are for the weekend of the 11th?
Down for the 10th http://gaa.ie/content/downloads/wallcharts/football_wallchart.pdf
Quote from: MadMayo on June 27, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 27, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
Higgins went for verbals 5 minutes before the end. The verbals were justified to be honest. I wouldn't be one for blaming refs and there are certainly others far more to blame for this, but O Connamha really was a joke. It says it all when someone as sensible on a pitch as Higgins feels the need to f**k him out of it.
I was going to edit my earlier (drunken) comment to something less controversial like 'limited' or 'hungrier' or 'brave' or some other patronising shite, but i won't for two reasons. Firstly, to suggest that Longford were anything other than poor on the night would be to suggest that Mayo were somehow caught on the hop by a team at their top of their game and were unluckily beaten (which would be a load of crap).
Secondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us. Surely it's better that you get an honest assessment of how your team played from someone at the game. They did not play particularly well and, much as I would like to see them (and genuinely hope they will be) in Croker in August, its as well to be honest and say that big improvement will be needed on last nights performance to achieve that. Maybe you have that improvement in you but if you are happy enough for people to tell you you're great after last night and don't strive to build and improve on your achievement then you're wasting your time.
In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
longford have come closer to beating kerry in recent years then either the likes of Mayo and Dublin. Have a bit of respect.
Cosmo, in fairness, i don't think the Longford lads on here are looking for any praise from Mayo people.
They simply objected to some of the condescending remarks of 'Mad Mayo' and a few other clowns who claimed that Longford are this that and the other.
Hang on a second, all I said is that Longford are shite and it was an embarrassment for Mayo to loose to them. Whats the big deal ??? Remember they only bet London and Kilkenny this year!! Mayo to be fair aren't too far off the mark!!
You cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear!
Quote from: INDIANA on June 27, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
We'll take what we get. :)
Thought the qualifiers are for the weekend of the 11th?
Ye don't deserve an extra weeks rest.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 27, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
How about Longford v the Dubs in Pearse Park next saturday?
We'll take what we get. :)
Thought the qualifiers are for the weekend of the 11th?
Ye don't deserve an extra weeks rest.
Next week would do me fine muppet. Get the inevitable out of the way a week early.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Galway 44
Mayo 42
The rest 24.
78% of the time the issue was 'would Galway bate Mayo?'.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Galway 44
Mayo 42
The rest 24.
78% of the time the issue was 'would Galway bate Mayo?'.
24 for the rest is quite good when you consider the size of Galway/Mayo to the rest & tell me the % of Munster before you knock connacht football
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Galway 44
Mayo 42
The rest 24.
78% of the time the issue was 'would Galway bate Mayo?'.
24 for the rest is quiet good when you consider the size of Galway/Mayo to the rest & tell me the % of Munster before you knock connacht football
24 is very quiet. ;D
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Galway 44
Mayo 42
The rest 24.
78% of the time the issue was 'would Galway bate Mayo?'.
24 for the rest is quiet good when you consider the size of Galway/Mayo to the rest & tell me the % of Munster before you knock connacht football
24 is very quiet. ;D
changed the typo just for you muppet & speaking of typos i bet the Mayo fans abroad thought yesterday result was one ;)
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Congrats to Longford. This is exactly the reason why the qualifiers have been a success. Counties that struggle against tradition (imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title) seem to thrive against teams that pick up titles sometimes purely because of tradition (will Galway bate Mayo?).
more than just will Galway bate Mayo? IMO Connacht is better the munster kerry or cork? (last time Clare way back when) & Ulster Armagh or Tyrone? (Derry in 1998) i think most younger mayo fans and watching public don't remember the lack of success mayo endured prior to the last 25 years, they went 12 years (1969 to 1981) without a single connacht victory e.g i wouldn't like to see the Mayo fan's response if that happened again
In fact from 1955 to 1981 Mayo won only 2 Connacht titles, now that's starvation!
Galway 44
Mayo 42
The rest 24.
78% of the time the issue was 'would Galway bate Mayo?'.
24 for the rest is quiet good when you consider the size of Galway/Mayo to the rest & tell me the % of Munster before you knock connacht football
24 is very quiet. ;D
changed the typo just for you muppet & speaking of typos i bet the Mayo fans abroad thought yesterday result was one ;)
That Munster statistic is 89%.
(imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title)
This is a misleading scenario - First of all it wouldn t happen - A max of 4 games to win Leinster - sometimes three. If Sligo were to win Connaught this year they would have to beat two division 1 teams to get there - three in total - thats just one more than in Leinster.
Ulster is the most competitive province. much of a muchness between the other three.
Quote from: brianboru00 on June 27, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
(imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title)
This is a misleading scenario - First of all it wouldn t happen - A max of 4 games to win Leinster - sometimes three. If Sligo were to win Connaught this year they would have to beat two division 1 teams to get there - three in total - thats just one more than in Leinster.
Ulster is the most competitive province. much of a muchness between the other three.
The top 2 teams have won 89% of the Munster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 78% of the Connacht titles.
The top 2 teams have won 56% of the Leinster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 47% of the Ulster titles. (This stat is distorted somewhat by Cavan's great record which ended in the 1960s.)
It's hard to look past tradition in Munster and Connacht.
Quote from: LaurelEye on June 27, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2010, 10:52:44 AMSecondly, I don't understand why the Longford lads feel the need to go looking for faint praise from us.
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In other words well done on the win, best of luck the next day, and never mind looking for compliments from other teams supporters, just go out and play your own game.
I don't think any of us are looking for compliments. Not being insulted will do just fine.
We're all too well aware of our limitations. We know we're not Kerry or Tyrone.
That is the difference between us and you. You haven't won a Senior All-Ireland in almost 60 years but you behave as if you were a superpower because you regularly win provincial titles in a province where you're the second largest of five counties.
Having huffed and blown every summer about how great you are, you then fall flat on your arses when faced with serious opposition and whinge about it for the rest of the year. No other county in Ireland - not Cavan, not Roscommon, not even Dublin - have a perception of their own capabilities so totally divorced from reality.
That's a measured and dignified response LaurelEye. Well done Longford and whatever anyone says the bottom line is that you're still in the Championship and Mayo are not. I hope you get better and better and have a good long run at it. Best of luck to you all.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: brianboru00 on June 27, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
(imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title)
This is a misleading scenario - First of all it wouldn t happen - A max of 4 games to win Leinster - sometimes three. If Sligo were to win Connaught this year they would have to beat two division 1 teams to get there - three in total - thats just one more than in Leinster.
Ulster is the most competitive province. much of a muchness between the other three.
The top 2 teams have won 89% of the Munster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 78% of the Connacht titles.
The top 2 teams have won 56% of the Leinster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 47% of the Ulster titles. (This stat is distorted somewhat by Cavan's great record which ended in the 1960s.)
It's hard to look past tradition in Munster and Connacht.
So with all this great tradition Mayo have still only won one more Senior All Ireland than Roscommon
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: brianboru00 on June 27, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
(imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title)
This is a misleading scenario - First of all it wouldn t happen - A max of 4 games to win Leinster - sometimes three. If Sligo were to win Connaught this year they would have to beat two division 1 teams to get there - three in total - thats just one more than in Leinster.
Ulster is the most competitive province. much of a muchness between the other three.
The top 2 teams have won 89% of the Munster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 78% of the Connacht titles.
The top 2 teams have won 56% of the Leinster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 47% of the Ulster titles. (This stat is distorted somewhat by Cavan's great record which ended in the 1960s.)
It's hard to look past tradition in Munster and Connacht.
So with all this great tradition Mayo have they still only won one more Senior All Ireland than Roscommon
It would help if you followed the thread. I mentioned tradition to show how Mayo's apparently relatively elevated status compared to Longford is based on a tradition of winning provincial titles in a relatively easier province versus Longford's tradition of not winning titles in a much harder one.
QuoteI don't think any of us are looking for compliments. Not being insulted will do just fine.
We're all too well aware of our limitations. We know we're not Kerry or Tyrone.
That is the difference between us and you. You haven't won a Senior All-Ireland in almost 60 years but you behave as if you were a superpower because you regularly win provincial titles in a province where you're the second largest of five counties.
Having huffed and blown every summer about how great you are, you then fall flat on your arses when faced with serious opposition and whinge about it for the rest of the year. No other county in Ireland - not Cavan, not Roscommon, not even Dublin - have a perception of their own capabilities so totally divorced from reality.
Laurel Eye that's a bit rich. Talking about being insulted and then going on and throwing the insults!
Firstly it is a media creation that Mayo begin every year thinking they are going to win the All ireland. The realities of where we are at have been aired on this board for the past 4 years especially.
It is part of the lazy perception of Mayo - where the rest of the country laugh at us! Yes, we have an abysmal record in All ireland finals but we have had a team there on All Ireland Final Sunday most years in the past 15. We are the only team other than Kerry, Cork and Tyrone to have reached an All Ireland since 2002. We won an u21 All ireland in 2006. We have competed at the top level and that is why we are ambitious but none of us are talking All Irelands.
As I said above Longford were fully deserving winners last night. 99% of the comments from Mayo posters have been very gracious, not that you should really worry.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: brianboru00 on June 27, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
(imagine if Mayo had to beat Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Offaly etc just to win a provincial title)
This is a misleading scenario - First of all it wouldn t happen - A max of 4 games to win Leinster - sometimes three. If Sligo were to win Connaught this year they would have to beat two division 1 teams to get there - three in total - thats just one more than in Leinster.
Ulster is the most competitive province. much of a muchness between the other three.
The top 2 teams have won 89% of the Munster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 78% of the Connacht titles.
The top 2 teams have won 56% of the Leinster titles.
The top 2 teams have won 47% of the Ulster titles. (This stat is distorted somewhat by Cavan's great record which ended in the 1960s.)
It's hard to look past tradition in Munster and Connacht.
So with all this great tradition Mayo have they still only won one more Senior All Ireland than Roscommon
It would help if you followed the thread. I mentioned tradition to show how Mayo's apparently relatively elevated status compared to Longford is based on a tradition of winning provincial titles in a relatively easier province versus Longford's tradition of not winning titles in a much harder one.
Yes i am following the thread, so you think if longford swapped places with Mayo they would have won as many Connacht title's?
Most counties in ireland (outside cork, kerry, galway, meath, armagh and tyrone and perhaps dublin) would kill for the amount of success Mayo footballers have enjoyed over the past 21 years in terms of A-I finals appearances, connaught titles, minor titles, u-21, club championships, league titles.
the problem in Mayo is they think too highly of themselves, this is a belief held not only by the fans in the county but also by the players themselves. couple of years ago you played leitrim (who i would class around the same level as Longford) & got a lucky one point win & yesterday the players had the same attitude again thinking they only needed to turn up to win
Yeah, it's much better when you expect to win nothing ;)
Saturday evening was just the sound of the crap being finally flushed away. There was no other way this could have ended really. In the end it was a clean quick end. The way sporting careers usually end.
Talking to a mix of people before this - including a Larry acquaintance of mine who knows his onions - there was a realisation that Longford would fancy this one. We gave them a punchers chance. We were wrong. They had a better chance than that as it turned out. The reverted back to their traditional game and went for it. Mayo on the other hand were tight and it showed as scoring passses went astray and fellas repeatedly took the wrong option.
Longford didn't play any elborate sweeper system or anything so it is a terrible endictment of Mayo that they were not able to win a traditional open game against a team 3 divisions behind them in the league. And no Mayo did not lie down as they have been accused of ( usually wrongly) in the past. In fact some of the guys who tried hard, like Andy Moran and Donal Vaughan, looked like very ordinary footballers. Others like AOS and McLoughlin looked like Bo Peep. More had the demeanour of very frustrated even desperate men.
Sure Mayo could have won this game and won well too if things had gone their way. And any type of win here would have been immeasurably better than where we find ourselves now.
With Freemen and Moran able to win ball freely inside there were major scores for the taking if we capitalised on it. If Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two. Conor is a lone assassin all his career and is not going to play off any target man ever. Alternatively AOS should have been played just off the front two and come running onto layoffs. As it was AOS played in no mans land with the ball flying over his head. I mean what was he supposed to be doing? But sure that is typical of the last 4 years. There is no evidence of any coaching done. We cant even move ball out of defence with any fluency any more. Remember how likes of Cahill, Ruane, Nallen, Kenneth Mort, Connelly, Higgins, Heaney etc used move the ball through the hands and run the right angles. Surely Nallen and Heaney were asked to take a few sessions with the new lads before being ushered into the sunset. Surely not I d say.
We are where we are now anyway and most of us can have no complaints. Even posters on here defended this set-up into years 2,3 and 4 when it was obviously going to end in grief. Johnno was allowed sail the ship onto the rocks. Now he has taken the only lifeboat available and sailed away leaving a wreck creaking and battered on a reef. Several of these players have woken up the last few mornings knowing that their careers are finished. When there is some recovery very few of these will be still involved. Careers can not survive the wreckage of the last 3 games. The whole rebuilding project was bullshit - as was talk of transition. Just old guff to disguise the fact that nobody in management knew what to do. A certain board delegate in the M&M shafting called the 06 team 'Ladeens'. Yet four years on in a Championship match we had 3 defenders under 5' 9'' and 2 only making 6'. Yet nobody says anything. Six lads who had never played a competitive match together in their lives. After 4 years there was no team. In gaelic football a team evolves but cant be rebuilt. There will be silly talk now again about rebuilding. Rebuilding means getting knocked out of the championship early every year so players can not improve or develop. Mayo won 5 championship games in 4 years because they put out lambs to the slaughter each year. Cork, kerry and Tyrone often win 4/5 games in one year. And rebuild along the way. Last time Johnno left a mess there was a hangover period that lasted 4 years, 92,93,94 and 95. Decent men were chewed up in an impossible task. This latest adventure could cost the guts of a decade altogether.
I ve concentrated on our failings I know. I dont begrudge Longford their win. Our misfortune is not their concern and our misfortune is deeper and older that last Saturday evening. Longford people must wonder 2 how things dont quite add up. They are 3 divisions down but both teams looked about the same level. How can a team with players like Paddy Dowd, Kavanagh, Barden and the rest end up ranked 3rd or 4th worst in the country. Surely there is something wrong there too?
First off fair play to Longford. I sensed throughout the match that if they pegged us back with an equalizing score then they would go on and win. The Longford Midfield were brilliant in the 2nd half, in particular number 9 (i think he was only brought into the panel lately?).
QuoteIf Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two
Agree with the above;
What's left of this team IMO and who I believe are the only natural footballers are as follows (in no particluar order).
K.Higgins
O'Shea's x 2
A.Moran
Freeman
Ronaldson
The rest of the panel are no use, except maybe Gardiner.
We need to find 9 players who are natural footballers and 13 or 14 for a decent squad.
A good test to see if a guy is a natural footballer would be for him, as a right footed player to be given the ball in training whilst running down the left wing at speed and under pressure from the back. If he fails to score from 21 yards out then he should be dropped.
All 15 inter county footballers including the goalie should be capable of this task, if they arn't then forget it.
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 01:57:15 PMLongford people must wonder 2 how things dont quite add up. They are 3 divisions down but both teams looked about the same level. How can a team with players like Paddy Dowd, Kavanagh, Barden and the rest end up ranked 3rd or 4th worst in the country. Surely there is something wrong there too?
Agree completely. TBH as I said on another thread, I had absolutely no expectations going into this one after all that had gone on earlier this year, and went over to Pearse Park out of a sense of duty. Even at half time I was expecting a respectable/heartbreaking loss.
There are a lot of questions to be asked about the set-up, both of the management and of some of the players, but for the moment things seem to have come good. We can only hope for the best in Newry - there should at least be reasonable Longford support there even if it won't be the same as in Pearse Park.
QuoteHow can a team with players like Paddy Dowd, Kavanagh, Barden and the rest end up ranked 3rd or 4th worst in the country. Surely there is something wrong there too?
The League was a mixture of bad luck, bad refeering decisions and bad form.
They lost a few matches by the bare minimum - and then lost a match to Limerick cos the ref forgot the new rules on the ball must be out of play before the final whistle. So the position as second worst senior team on the island was a wee bit of a misnomer. But saying that strong would be unfair and presumptious to the lads above us in the final table.
On our day we can give a good account against most sides (I would dread any visit from some of the major major Northern sides) which we have shown recently. However the money has not gone on us winning Sam this year!
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
First off fair play to Longford. I sensed throughout the match that if they pegged us back with an equalizing score then they would go on and win. The Longford Midfield were brilliant in the 2nd half, in particular number 9 (i think he was only brought into the panel lately?).
QuoteIf Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two
Agree with the above;
What's left of this team IMO and who I believe are the only natural footballers are as follows (in no particluar order).
K.Higgins
O'Shea's x 2
A.Moran
Freeman
Ronaldson
The rest of the panel are no use, except maybe Gardiner.
We need to find 9 players who are natural footballers and 13 or 14 for a decent squad.
A good test to see if a guy is a natural footballer would be for him, as a right footed player to be given the ball in training whilst running down the left wing at speed and under pressure from the back. If he fails to score from 21 yards out then he should be dropped.
All 15 inter county footballers including the goalie should be capable of this task, if they arn't then forget it.
I was very disappointed with Andy Moran. He has been the link man but enough has not come off him. He s light years off benchmark players like Galvin and Dooher. His failure to get the ball accross the goalmouth to a feeman ( was it Freeman) ended in a goal at the other end. Andy is ponderous at this time of year. Passes are delayed. His hands are heavy.
On the other hand I thought Dillon had a great game. McLoughlin passed that test at least twice in the league game against Galway alone. Ok he was poor the last evening but it cant have been an easy year for him and he has looked tired for some time. Howley is being given positions foreign to him. Parsons is technically a top player.
If we get the right man we have players to give Connacht a good try next year. B Moran, Freeman, Dillon, O Sé should remain in the forwards. Cillian O Connor will replace Conoreen. We need Howley at ten or twelve. Cathal Freeman fit would be thereabouts. Midfield will eventually settle down with Parsons, O Sé and Barry Moran being the options and Kirby emerging in a few years. The backs require serious work. Keane x2 and Shane McHale will have to be thrown in there. Higgins, Barrett and McLoughlinhave a lot to offer as wingmen.
By the way why is it that everything Mayo did was at least a second too slow usually. I heard the training sessions were flat and it showed. You play the way you train.
Ray Dempsey must be a good bet as the next Mayo manager? would the fan's take to him???
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
QuoteHow can a team with players like Paddy Dowd, Kavanagh, Barden and the rest end up ranked 3rd or 4th worst in the country. Surely there is something wrong there too?
The League was a mixture of bad luck, bad refeering decisions and bad form.
They lost a few matches by the bare minimum - and then lost a match to Limerick cos the ref forgot the new rules on the ball must be out of play before the final whistle. So the position as second worst senior team on the island was a wee bit of a misnomer. But saying that strong would be unfair and presumptious to the lads above us in the final table.
On our day we can give a good account against most sides (I would dread any visit from some of the major major Northern sides) which we have shown recently. However the money has not gone on us winning Sam this year!
i presume you mean tyrone?
the way i see it is outside of the big 3 - cork, kerry and tyrone is that there is sweet FA between a good chunk of the rest of the counties and self belief and confidence can determine more results than skill between these.
Quote from: ross4life on June 28, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Ray Dempsey must be a good bet as the next Mayo manager? would the fan's take to him???
Can't see it this time. Not sure that what the fans think should matter but he might be too independent for the boards liking. 2 good minor campaigns undermined somewhat by a poor u21 performance which wasn't helped by a strange selection.
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
First off fair play to Longford. I sensed throughout the match that if they pegged us back with an equalizing score then they would go on and win. The Longford Midfield were brilliant in the 2nd half, in particular number 9 (i think he was only brought into the panel lately?).
QuoteIf Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two
Agree with the above;
What's left of this team IMO and who I believe are the only natural footballers are as follows (in no particluar order).
K.Higgins
O'Shea's x 2
A.Moran
Freeman
Ronaldson
The rest of the panel are no use, except maybe Gardiner.
We need to find 9 players who are natural footballers and 13 or 14 for a decent squad.
A good test to see if a guy is a natural footballer would be for him, as a right footed player to be given the ball in training whilst running down the left wing at speed and under pressure from the back. If he fails to score from 21 yards out then he should be dropped.
All 15 inter county footballers including the goalie should be capable of this task, if they arn't then forget it.
I have seen some shite written on this board but that takes the biscuit.
How is Dillon not on you list of "natural footballers" and how can you describe him as "no use"?
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2010, 11:54:04 PM
Yes i am following the thread, so you think if longford swapped places with Mayo they would have won as many Connacht title's?
You are not following anything. I never said anything about swapping places. I was commenting on the success of the qualifiers and that it has exposed tradition on two fronts. Firstly those 'big' counties who pick up provincial titles with relative ease might do so in their province but it seems to be a poor form guide outside the province and secondly those 'lowly' counties who don't win their provinces regularly (or win games within the province) seem to play well away from the traditional burden of playing the dominant local teams.
Congrats to Longford on their win at the weekend, they where the only team that seemed to bother their arse.
But I will say that ref. from Galway was a disgrace a 16'th man against us, then he reduces us down to 14.
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
If Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two. Conor is a lone assassin all his career and is not going to play off any target man ever.
From those of ye who've watched Mayo throughout this year - how is it that ye did so well when Mort & Dillon were off travelling & only seemed to go backwards after they returned? I know Mort kicked points in the league final against Cork, but is it the case that their return cramped the teams style, or did their inclusion not go down well with the newer lads who'd been there for the league, or what? Maybe I'm well off the mark here?
QuoteFrom those of ye who've watched Mayo throughout this year - how is it that ye did so well when Mort & Dillon were off travelling & only seemed to go backwards after they returned? I know Mort kicked points in the league final against Cork, but is it the case that their return cramped the teams style, or did their inclusion not go down well with the newer lads who'd been there for the league, or what? Maybe I'm well off the mark here
Your bang on with that alright. Since that pair landed back from thier travels down under the Mayo team have gone down hill, i.e. since the Monaghan league game.
Dillion the last day was useless, he is incapable of scoring long range points and refused to pass the ball to Freeman on 3 occasions in the 2nd half on Sat night when Freeman was looking for and winning ball.
Quotewas very disappointed with Andy Moran. He has been the link man but enough has not come off him.
You weren't at the Sligo game then? Himself and Freeman were the only 2 lads who could hold there heads high after that game. Fair enough he didn't do well the last day... but who did? Come to think of it the last day he still popped a 45 and scored a long range point from play just before half time.
Quote from: spectator on June 28, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
If Ronaldson had started instead of Conar there would surely have been a goal or two. Conor is a lone assassin all his career and is not going to play off any target man ever.
From those of ye who've watched Mayo throughout this year - how is it that ye did so well when Mort & Dillon were off travelling & only seemed to go backwards after they returned? I know Mort kicked points in the league final against Cork, but is it the case that their return cramped the teams style, or did their inclusion not go down well with the newer lads who'd been there for the league, or what? Maybe I'm well off the mark here?
To be honest I don t think it had anything to do with it. With respect I think a lot of people outside Mayo and quite a few in the county couldn't get their head around the problem. It wasn't as good a story as the one they prefered to believe. If ever there was a case of a emperor without any clothes this was it.
The 2 players you mentioned. Dillon was our best player v Longford and if Barry Moran had fed him late on instead of kicking into the block we wouldn't be in this place now. Similarly if Freeman had fed an unmarked Moran in front of the posts early on we may well have kicked on also. But this stuff is happening in games which would indicate that training is poor. But Dillon is class and 4 of his best years have been wasted. Conor is Conor and to be honest he was fortunate to survive Sligo. The next guy might well move on without him as he is difficult to include in a tactical formation as he has always been into his own thing. Ronaldson would have done better the last day and O Connor is the future. Andy Moran unlikely to find the next man as admiring of his abilities either.
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Quotewas very disappointed with Andy Moran. He has been the link man but enough has not come off him.
You weren't at the Sligo game then? Himself and Freeman were the only 2 lads who could hold there heads high after that game. Fair enough he didn't do well the last day... but who did? Come to think of it the last day he still popped a 45 and scored a long range point from play just before half time.
I was at the Sligo game. The best that can be said about Andy was that he tried hard which is fair enough but Johnny Davey got the better of him. He just doesn't have the gas for championship football. V Longford he was far too ponderous on the ball when he should have been aware of being urgent and and maximising space/time advantage we could have got when Longford were begining to tire - as they did to an alarming extent last 15. Higgins getting sent off nullified our fitness advantage and we would have surely won if Higgins had held his discipline. Frustrating as Kinneavey is there is no excuse for what Higgins did. A one point win aet would have been enough, get on the bus, go home and we would be preparing for Down in Newry now. And we would be fancying that.
Dillon had a fine game v Longford. Dunno about long range points but at times he ( and Freeman) looked like the only one that could pick a defense and he slotted a few tidy points.
I was at the Sligo game. The best that can be said about Andy was that he tried hard which is fair enough but Johnny Davey got the better of him. [/quote]
I was at the Sligo game too. I thought Andy Moran was first to the ball on most occasions and used his body well to secure possesion. I dont think Johnny Davey got the better of him although he himself was on the ball quite a bit. Unfortunately when Andy Moran went to lay off the ball there wasnt much happening. He had very few options.
Congrats to Longford. Ye beat a poor Mayo side but if ye can build on the confidence generated from this and improve in Newry, it could be a long summer yet.............best of luck to ye
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
Higgins getting sent off nullified our fitness advantage and we would have surely won if Higgins had held his discipline. Frustrating as Kinneavey is there is no excuse for what Higgins did.
higgins touched the ball on the ground next thing he got straight red
he say something ? or what
Quote from: spuds on June 30, 2010, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
Higgins getting sent off nullified our fitness advantage and we would have surely won if Higgins had held his discipline. Frustrating as Kinneavey is there is no excuse for what Higgins did.
higgins touched the ball on the ground next thing he got straight red
he say something ? or what
Thing that obviously annoyed Higgins was being pushed in the back and falling on the ball. The free should have been the other way so he lost it. Shower that edited the tv highlights hadn't the wit to show the lead up. If there was a bit of fishhooking or a slap thrown they'd show it but incompetent refereeing doesn't appear to be in the public interest.
Keith then must have suggested to Gearóid that y'know maybe he 'd be better off doing something else with his whistle. That and returning to the pimeval swamp from which he has apparently just emerged. If Keith was from this parts he would have just told yer man to 'go way from around me will ye, ye bollicks', which would only have been worthy of a yellow. Thats what Harty would have said anyway ;D
thanks he had to have said something fierce harsh to get the straight red
cannot recall seeing straight red before for guff
gearoid was a thundering disgrace sat night called time after the last rugby tackle at the death
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
100% not using it as an excuse billy was raging with him sat night
normally say little about refs but the lord himself wouldve been shouting at mr bones in pearse park
best of luck agin the down boys will be shouting for the larries from now on
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
Anyway that s neither here nor there. Is cuma liom anois. Maybe that win will do ye some good and maybe in the long run the defeat won't do us any harm. If people cop on. It s time football people in Mayo would take their heads out of their holes - including the players.
Dillons interview shows that nothing was done. Compare his reaction to some of the bullshit interviews given by others earlier in the year. Dillon s interwiew confirmed what a lot of us knew all along - hence our anger and hurt. Nothing was being done to address the poor aspects of winning performances in the league. Players were allowed make the same errors day in, day out. Older players were shown the door before adequate replacements were put in place.
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
Anyway that s neither here nor there. Is cuma liom anois. Maybe that win will do ye some good and maybe in the long run the defeat won't do us any harm. If people cop on. It s time football people in Mayo would take their heads out of their holes - including the players.
Dillons interview shows that nothing was done. Compare his reaction to some of the bullshit interviews given by others earlier in the year. Dillon s interwiew confirmed what a lot of us knew all along - hence our anger and hurt. Nothing was being done to address the poor aspects of winning performances in the league. Players were allowed make the same errors day in, day out. Older players were shown the door before adequate replacements were put in place.
it now makes sense why he wanted to get rid of the older players he probably knew these players could see through him and his techniques and most likely question them and he probably didn't want that
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. >:( How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
And a Galway linesman
UP SLIGO ;D
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
Anyway that s neither here nor there. Is cuma liom anois. Maybe that win will do ye some good and maybe in the long run the defeat won't do us any harm. If people cop on. It s time football people in Mayo would take their heads out of their holes - including the players.
Dillons interview shows that nothing was done. Compare his reaction to some of the bullshit interviews given by others earlier in the year. Dillon s interwiew confirmed what a lot of us knew all along - hence our anger and hurt. Nothing was being done to address the poor aspects of winning performances in the league. Players were allowed make the same errors day in, day out. Older players were shown the door before adequate replacements were put in place.
What Dillon interview moysider?
Must be on the other thread - the Johnno thread?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. >:( How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
And a Galway linesman
UP SLIGO ;D
Well done lads, thats everyone covered now for the defeat in Longford; the county board,the manager, players, linesman and last but not least, the referee.
If its any consolation to ye poor souls, the worst ref in the country was running the line in Salthill on Sunday and yes, he is a Mayo man!
QuoteWell done lads, thats everyone covered now for the defeat in Longford; the county board,the manager, players, linesman and last but not least, the referee.
In all fairness, there can be no denying that the general undertone to the Mayo defeat amongst us is that we were beaten by the better team, that we are at the deepest low since '93, that O'Mahony was not the man for the job once he got elected and indeed the motivations of all involved in appointing him have to be questioned and that we have to take stock & see where we are going.
Yes, in the forensic analysis that is going on, there are other observations including the performance of the referee who should have given a free to Keith Higgins instead of sending him off but they are only by-the-by comments.
All you are doing is using an old sterotype which applied post '96 where we blamed everyone but ourselves and is one that has not applied since but is still thrown out there by those that think they are informed and witty but are neither.
Another cheap sterotype is that Mayo people always think they are contenders for Sam. I have no idea where this one came from. There is a desperate hunger for sure and indeed we have all engaged in the "can you imagine if we won it" discussion in pubs but reality is different. And in todays Irish Indo, Martin Brehony yet again used this aul stereotype ..... in his case i don't think its anything to do with him being a Galway man having a cheap dig. Its just hes completely frigging useless.
Quote from: blast05 on June 30, 2010, 08:23:48 PM
QuoteWell done lads, thats everyone covered now for the defeat in Longford; the county board,the manager, players, linesman and last but not least, the referee.
In all fairness, there can be no denying that the general undertone to the Mayo defeat amongst us is that we were beaten by the better team, that we are at the deepest low since '93, that O'Mahony was not the man for the job once he got elected and indeed the motivations of all involved in appointing him have to be questioned and that we have to take stock & see where we are going.
Yes, in the forensic analysis that is going on, there are other observations including the performance of the referee who should have given a free to Keith Higgins instead of sending him off but they are only by-the-by comments.
All you are doing is using an old sterotype which applied post '96 where we blamed everyone but ourselves and is one that has not applied since but is still thrown out there by those that think they are informed and witty but are neither.
Another cheap sterotype is that Mayo people always think they are contenders for Sam. I have no idea where this one came from. There is a desperate hunger for sure and indeed we have all engaged in the "can you imagine if we won it" discussion in pubs but reality is different. And in todays Irish Indo, Martin Brehony yet again used this aul stereotype ..... in his case i don't think its anything to do with him being a Galway man having a cheap dig. Its just hes completely frigging useless.
Apologies for the witty remarks Blast, it was meant more tongue in cheek. Mea culpa. As for Breheney, i wouldnt be paying too much attention to what that fella fills his column inches with at this time of year. Meandering drivel most of the time is par for the course with him.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 30, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
. As for Breheney, i wouldnt be paying too much attention to what that fella fills his column inches with at this time of year. Meandering drivel most of the time is par for the course with him.
Only most???
I would venture all the bloody time. :D
According to Eugene McGee Mayo's population is 5 times that of Longford.
Bloody hell Eugene Longford's 34,391 x 5 does not = Mayo's 123,839.
34,391 x 5 = 171,955 not 123,839.
If Eugene is correct however Mayo has 48,116 of untapped resources to look for players from. Not all that bad so lads!
He must have been adding in the pieces of other counties ye pick from :D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2010, 10:20:42 PM
He must have been adding in the pieces of other counties ye pick from :D
I was wondering how long it would take ya pick up on it. No wonder Ballaghadeereen is so fought over, its seems its one of the largest cities in Ireland so. ;)
Gearóid the Great is in his final year as an intercounty ref before he has to retire on age grounds. Head of the Comm which appoints refs is one Ml. Curley of the same parish. If Connacht is not in All Ireland Final expect to see the great one in Sept.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on June 30, 2010, 10:27:07 PM
Gearóid the Great is in his final year as an intercounty ref before he has to retire on age grounds. Head of the Comm which appoints refs is one Ml. Curley of the same parish. If Connacht is not in All Ireland Final expect to see the great one in Sept.
Sligo for Sam so.
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 30, 2010, 06:20:07 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 30, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
In fairness lads, we've all had our WTF days with Mr. Kinneavy.
In fairness, there are WTF days and at best he is just plainly inadequate. Rightly or wrongly I believe he was just spiteful and very biased. >:( How we ended up with a Galway ref is beyond me.
And a Galway linesman
UP SLIGO ;D
Well done lads, thats everyone covered now for the defeat in Longford; the county board,the manager, players, linesman and last but not least, the referee.
If its any consolation to ye poor souls, the worst ref in the country was running the line in Salthill on Sunday and yes, he is a Mayo man!
Seriously? Don't remember seeing Declan Corcoran on the line in Salthill?
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Yup but i always wondered why they claimed he was from Roscommon? maybe he lived there for a short time
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Yup but i always wondered why they claimed he was from Roscommon? maybe he lived there for a short time
Maybe they just didn't like him. Seriously though, he should have done something else.
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Do you remember a Stephen Kinneavy who used to play for Galway some years ago? I can't recall where I heard it but I was told they were brothers.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Do you remember a Stephen Kinneavy who used to play for Galway some years ago? I can't recall where I heard it but I was told they were brothers.
Remember him well. A seriously big fella.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2010, 10:44:11 PM
When Gearóid started to ref he was suppose to be from Roscommon then the following year it was changed to Galway
Y re well rid of him anyway. Seriously though, didn t his brother play for Galway?
Do you remember a Stephen Kinneavy who used to play for Galway some years ago? I can't recall where I heard it but I was told they were brothers.
Stephen was fullback on the '83 team beaten by the Dubs in the final. Clonbur would have been his club side in Galway same as Stephen Joyce who was corner forward on that team also.
Gerry played for Clan na gael in Ros for a few years, 2nd team I think , Maybe he started his ref career in Ros too
O'Connor: Dubs and Mayo peaked too soon
Jack O'Connor believes Dublin and Mayo may have peaked too early in the season.
Both counties suffered bitterly disappointing championship defeats to Meath and Longford respectively last weekend, and O'Connor feels they may have placed too big an emphasis on the National League, in the same way as Kerry did last year.
"The championship is all about timing," the Kerry manager said in the Irish Examiner.
"I think the key to the league for us last year, was because we had a very strong panel. We were able to rotate players and win the league without training very hard. If you put a lot of emphasis on the league and train very hard, somewhere along the line, you're going to reach a plateau.
"We found out last year that there's a huge difference between league and championship. Unfortunately, the likes of Mayo and maybe Dublin plateaued at the wrong time. We certainly had it last year after the league.
"I don't know was it mental or physical, but it happened."
When asked for a solution, O'Connor credited those who meticulously oversee Kerry's preparations.
"You have to control your blocks of training. We're lucky we've two good professional guys, Pat Flanagan and Alan O'Sullivan. They plan the thing out pretty scientifically and they work in blocks of training. Whenever we have a period where we can train, we do. Within reason, they're able to keep the team on an even keel."
O'Connor, whose charges are preparing for a Munster final against Limerick on Sunday, admits that it would have been extremely difficult for Kerry to negotiate the backdoor series for a second year-in-a-row.
"We had set out our stall to try and go the direct route this year," he said.
"The team has been around a few years and mentally you just can't always go the backdoor. The qualifiers proved very difficult last year as mentally the team had difficulties lifting themselves. I just felt mentally we didn't want to go down that road this year again.
"The only thing about it, is that it was a great win over Cork, but mentally we have to move on now. If we start patting ourselves on the back about the Cork game, we'll be taking our eyes off Limerick. Right now that's all we have. We can be thinking about the Cork game some other time. We have to start focusing 100 per cent now about Limerick."
I don't agree with that at all and it is now becoming all to easy for lads to blame 'early peaking' for underpar performances in the championship. Sure Cork won the damn thing and Kerry only just about got over them and players like Alan Brogan, Alan Freeman, C Mort, or Conal Keaney didn't play much football during the league. Or look at Sligo, who won their division, why aren't they suffering, why did Wicklow who didn't put much effort into the league lose a 7 point lead to 13 man Cavan?
Statement on the future of Mayo Gaelic football now on www.mayogaa.com
Text of the statement below - a review will be taking place over the coming months, with no manager to be appointed until it's been completed. All clubs, delegates and senior panelists will be able to contribute.
Hopefully some new focus and enthusiasm will emerge from all this.
QuoteCoiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó
Following the decision of John O'Mahony to step down from the position of Mayo Senior football team manager after the defeat to Longford on Saturday last, the Mayo GAA County Committee would like to thank him and the members of his management team for their contribution over the last four years.
At this point in time Coiste Bainisti, Coiste Chontae Mhaigh Eó is taking the opportunity to undertake a review of the state of the game in the county.
To do this in as complete a manner as is possible, a series of meetings will be arranged in the coming weeks and months where our clubs and their delegates, and members of the senior football panel will have the opportunity to express and articulate their views.
We feel that it is important that all those involved in our game in the county get the chance to contribute to this review.
We do not think that it is constructive for the floor to be opened to everyone as has happened on local radio this week. While many of those who have contributed have the best interests of Mayo football at heart, we do not feel that all who have voiced their opinion do. Therefore we believe it would be more prudent and productive if those involved at all levels of our game in the county be given the chance to voice their thoughts through the medium of this review process.
With the review subject to take place in the coming weeks, it has been decided to defer the appointment of the next senior football manager until after this process has been finalised.
We feel that to do otherwise would take some focus and direction away from the matter at hand - namely the overall welfare of the game in our county.
More precise details on this review will follow at a later date.
Not butting in here I hope, but this is the same mistake Offaly have made for years. Get rid of a manager after the Championship, and then wait for months before appointing a new one. Surely the first task a new manager should be given is to have people, and himself, watching club games during the summer to search for players he wants to take a look at when they start back again.
By waiting for 'a few months' then this opportunity passes by, and it's the same players being used by the new managers, and the same mistakes and problems evident.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2010, 04:42:53 PM
Not butting in here I hope, but this is the same mistake Offaly have made for years. Get rid of a manager after the Championship, and then wait for months before appointing a new one. Surely the first task a new manager should be given is to have people, and himself, watching club games during the summer to search for players he wants to take a look at when they start back again.
By waiting for 'a few months' then this opportunity passes by, and it's the same players being used by the new managers, and the same mistakes and problems evident.
Possibly, but I think most people are so disillusioned with the way things have been going over the last number of years (including players judging by performances and Alan Dillon's interview), that a review is absolutely necessary to give people confidence that some sort of structure and plan is in place to be followed by all county teams from underage up.
Plus the general consensus is that the next manager will be from within the county (as we're already up to our eyes in debt due to the new stand that hasn't even been half full yet). So the potential managers will be at club games and will already be familiar with most of the players within the county.
No point having two threads going on this.
Should let this one die and move to the 'search for a new manager' thread.
Quote from: Zulu on July 01, 2010, 04:24:15 PM
I don't agree with that at all and it is now becoming all to easy for lads to blame 'early peaking' for underpar performances in the championship. Sure Cork won the damn thing and Kerry only just about got over them and players like Alan Brogan, Alan Freeman, C Mort, or Conal Keaney didn't play much football during the league. Or look at Sligo, who won their division, why aren't they suffering, why did Wicklow who didn't put much effort into the league lose a 7 point lead to 13 man Cavan?
Exactly. Mayo didn't get out of second gear last few years. Ok may have plateaued out last year from Roscommon match but this year they just flatlined along. Any suggestion of a peak is laughable. Jack is not daft and I m sure couldn't give a shite about Mayo and Dublin but when asked made a few sympathetic noises. The only thing worth taking from it - and it's huge - is the science stuff Pat Flanagan and the other lad look after. Johnno was told about this 2 years ago but didn't act upon it.
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 01, 2010, 04:42:53 PM
Not butting in here I hope, but this is the same mistake Offaly have made for years. Get rid of a manager after the Championship, and then wait for months before appointing a new one. Surely the first task a new manager should be given is to have people, and himself, watching club games during the summer to search for players he wants to take a look at when they start back again.
By waiting for 'a few months' then this opportunity passes by, and it's the same players being used by the new managers, and the same mistakes and problems evident.
I think it's more important to wait and make sure you get the right man/best possible candidate who's interested. We threw Hackett in there last year in time for him to watch the club games & look how that turned out. In saying that I don't think the Mayo CB (as much as a bad press they are getting on here, it could always be worse lads) would initially rule out appointing a man from within the county. Agreed though that the eventual manager should be taking in the club games so the CB should instruct the interested candidates that it would be in their interests of securing the job if they were at the club games. Paidi could jump in with Micko for the journey up, see if they want the job that bad... :P
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
Zulu, is this terminology again? I know it frustrates you to hear terms being bandied about by mere mortals like ourselves, but to me 'peaking' means more than just some physical periodisation preparation or whatever. I think it involves the mental, and appetite side of things as well.
I don't think Jack O'Connor is saying that Dublin and Mayo hit their physical peak too soon.
Maybe it is AZ and I don't mean to come across as condesending when we talk about these things, everyone's opinion is valid and I certainly don't know it all, nobody does but whatever Jack means I think he is wrong.
The season is only 6 months old now and Dublin made it clear that they were experimenting during the league, sure they had a large number of debutants against Kerry in the first league game and played a number of different players during the league so why would they be physically or mentally tired? JOM stated they were trying to do well in the league but between injuries and stuff a good number of players got game time for them too.
One of two things has happened here IMO, either Jack is 'yerraing' or doesn't know what he is talking about because there is little or no chance that both Mayo and Dublin are physically or mentally tired because they did well in the league.
My guess is that he is yerraing about the Mayo/Dublin bit. But you can be sure he knows what is happening in his own camp. Looks like the physical preparation by Flanagan has been on the money in O Connors time. Kerry have been a different animal in September than earlier in the year. Something that has largely been lost on people in Mayo who seem to think roaring and shouting is more important.
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
No you don't sound arrogant at all ... just naive and stupid.
So, tell us how you know more about peaking in GAA than Jack O'Connor.
Quote from: moysider on July 02, 2010, 03:44:47 PM
My guess is that he is yerraing about the Mayo/Dublin bit. But you can be sure he knows what is happening in his own camp. Looks like the physical preparation by Flanagan has been on the money in O Connors time. Kerry have been a different animal in September than earlier in the year. Something that has largely been lost on people in Mayo who seem to think roaring and shouting is more important.
Which is why I'd be worried if one of the main front runners Noel Connelly gets the role.
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
No you don't sound arrogant at all ... just naive and stupid.
So, tell us how you know more about peaking in GAA than Jack O'Connor.
Naive and stupid, why because I disagree with Jack O'Connor? If you took your head out of his ass for a while you'd be better served. I won't list my CV out here for you but I have worked with professional conditioning coaches and professional athletes so I know a thing or two about this and have pointed out why it is nonsense, but think whatever you like.
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
No you don't sound arrogant at all ... just naive and stupid.
So, tell us how you know more about peaking in GAA than Jack O'Connor.
Naive and stupid, why because I disagree with Jack O'Connor? If you took your head out of his ass for a while you'd be better served. I won't list my CV out here for you but I have worked with professional conditioning coaches and professional athletes so I know a thing or two about this and have pointed out why it is nonsense, but think whatever you like.
No, it's very simple.
You said ...
'I know about peaking than Jack O'Connor' - well then, back it up.
Jack O'Connor has had to peak his team in practice possibly more than most coaches or managers over the past few years, so I'm intrigued as to how someone can claim to know more about it than him.
Anyone can make loose claims on the internet.
Don't worry, if your so concerned you can pm me your list in confidence.
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 02, 2010, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 02, 2010, 06:47:01 AM
Jack O'Connor has probably won more All Irelands than those criticizing his comments so I'd hazard a guess the man knows what he's talking about!
People think peaking is simply physical, when it's far more complex than that.
There is more than an element of sense to what O'Connor is saying.
So what if he has won more AI's, does that mean he can't be criticized or that he can't be wrong? I don't mean to sound arrogant but I do know more about peaking than Jack O'Connor and he is talking rubbish.
No you don't sound arrogant at all ... just naive and stupid.
So, tell us how you know more about peaking in GAA than Jack O'Connor.
Naive and stupid, why because I disagree with Jack O'Connor? If you took your head out of his ass for a while you'd be better served. I won't list my CV out here for you but I have worked with professional conditioning coaches and professional athletes so I know a thing or two about this and have pointed out why it is nonsense, but think whatever you like.
list your CV.
Jack O'Connor is a teacher, not an expert in physical conditioning and he hasn't brought countless teams to 'peak'. Flanagan is the man behind the Kerry fitness program so if he said it there might be something behind it. However, even if Flanagan said it I would still say he is wrong, why? Because Dublin and Mayo approached the league in a different fashion, the season is still relatively young, many of the players which didn't play well in the championship didn't play much in the league so there is no reason why they should be physically or psychologically tired.
QuoteAnyone can make loose claims on the internet.
Don't worry, if your so concerned you can pm me your list in confidence.
I could do the same if I pm'd you so what's the difference? I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not, there are plenty of people who know more than Jack about physical preparation so it is no great boast. The man is obviously a fine manager but that doesn't make him an authority on all things related to team preparation.
Quote from: Zulu on July 03, 2010, 03:27:04 PM
Jack O'Connor is a teacher, not an expert in physical conditioning and he hasn't brought countless teams to 'peak'. Flanagan is the man behind the Kerry fitness program so if he said it there might be something behind it. However, even if Flanagan said it I would still say he is wrong, why? Because Dublin and Mayo approached the league in a different fashion, the season is still relatively young, many of the players which didn't play well in the championship didn't play much in the league so there is no reason why they should be physically or psychologically tired.
QuoteAnyone can make loose claims on the internet.
Don't worry, if your so concerned you can pm me your list in confidence.
I could do the same if I pm'd you so what's the difference? I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not, there are plenty of people who know more than Jack about physical preparation so it is no great boast. The man is obviously a fine manager but that doesn't make him an authority on all things related to team preparation.
Jack O'Connor being or not being a teacher has nothing to do with it. He's an All Ireland winning manager.
Over the past decade he's shown he can manage a peak his teams to perform and win on a regular basis.
You on the other hand come on here, make wild claims and tell us he's talking 'nonsense' about peaking and you 'know more than him' about peaking.
You've been given two opportunities, in public (as Mike Sheehy demands) or privately and you've ignored both.
Arrogance, naivety and stupidity.
Bullshit, I disagreed with Jack O'Connor's view that Dublin and Mayo peaked early in the season, I supported this view by pointing out that other teams that did well in the league have also done well in the championship, e.g Cork, Sligo and now Limerick can be added to that list.
QuoteOver the past decade he's shown he can manage a peak his teams to perform and win on a regular basis.
More bullshit, he is the manager of Kerry and while he seems to be a very good manager, anyone with a reasonable level of experience and knowledge of football would go close with the Kerry panels he has had. And it is Flanagan who has developed the team physically. It's like saying a property developer knows all about plumbing and wiring a house because he has put up numerous apartment blocks, Jack has overseen the Kerry teams development, it doesn't mean he is an expert on all aspects of that.
QuoteYou on the other hand come on here, make wild claims and tell us he's talking 'nonsense' about peaking and you 'know more than him' about peaking.
No wild claims, I said I disagreed with his view and supported it without mentioning anything about myself. You then (tongue firmly in Jack's ass cheeks) asked what myself or moysider would know about this compared to Jack. I happen to know a good deal about this and said so. That is no great boast as Jack has little scientific knowledge of physical preparation, unlike Flanagan for example.
QuoteYou've been given two opportunities, in public (as Mike Sheehy demands) or privately and you've ignored both.
And as I pointed out to you I could claim I worked with Man U, the All Blacks and Usain Bolt and you couldn't prove otherwise so what would me listing out the coaches and athletes I have be involved with prove? You seem to be under the impression that if Jack says something it must be the case and that it isn't possible that someone posting here might know a bit more about the concept of peaking that a school teacher, albeit one involved in coaching.
QuoteArrogance, naivety and stupidity.
Three characteristics you clearly have in abundance.
It's a very simple point which you're still not grasping ...
Jack O'Connor has done it.
Repeatedly.
You say you know more and yet can't or won't give any proof.
Who are people going to believe? A proven All Ireland winning manager with a track record or a fantasist?
Quote from: Zulu on July 04, 2010, 08:59:31 PM
And as I pointed out to you I could claim I worked with Man U, the All Blacks and Usain Bolt and you couldn't prove otherwise so what would me listing out the coaches and athletes I have be involved with prove? You seem to be under the impression that if Jack says something it must be the case and that it isn't possible that someone posting here might know a bit more about the concept of peaking that a school teacher, albeit one involved in coaching.
Ahh but Jack O' has worked with Usain Bolt ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PousjvySZvE&feature=PlayList&p=6110ED2EFD85E3B6&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=47
Quote from: Zapatista on July 05, 2010, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 04, 2010, 08:59:31 PM
And as I pointed out to you I could claim I worked with Man U, the All Blacks and Usain Bolt and you couldn't prove otherwise so what would me listing out the coaches and athletes I have be involved with prove? You seem to be under the impression that if Jack says something it must be the case and that it isn't possible that someone posting here might know a bit more about the concept of peaking that a school teacher, albeit one involved in coaching.
Ahh but Jack O' has worked with Usain Bolt ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PousjvySZvE&feature=PlayList&p=6110ED2EFD85E3B6&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=47
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Konica on July 05, 2010, 08:41:43 AM
It's a very simple point which you're still not grasping ...
Jack O'Connor has done it.
Repeatedly.
You say you know more and yet can't or won't give any proof.
Who are people going to believe? A proven All Ireland winning manager with a track record or a fantasist?
It is you who can't grasp the simple point. Jack claimed that both Dublin and Mayo peaked too early and the only reason he seemed to have for this claim is that both did well in the league but had performed poorly in the championship. I disagreed with this and pointed out that other teams, i.e. Cork, Sligo, Limerick, Wexford, Monaghan etc. who had done well in the league and had put a good effort into it had also perofrmed well in the championship. So Jack was either 'yerraing' or he was wrong.
You then suggested that because Jack has won AI's that he must be right and any poster here must be wrong. I then pointed out that I have a good deal of knowledge and experience in this area and would know what I was talking about, you then assume that this can't be true as apparently a poster having some experience of professional sport is akin to claiming you walked on the moon. I can't prove what I have done as I'm not going to post personal information about myself and giving a list of coaches and athletes I've worked with would prove nothing anyway as you wouldn't know if I had or not.
I've never lied on this forum about anything I have done, if doing some work in professional sport is such a fantastical concept to you that anyone claiming to have done it must be lying well then you must live a sheltered life.
I've supported my view that teh Dublin and Mayo footballers didn't peak with a logical argument all you have is that Jack said it so it must be true. I'd say many posters here would be of a similar opinion to myself and moysider as most of them can think for themselves.
Zulu you're not arguing with posters you're arguing with the myth that surrounds successful GAA managers.
What do you think of Kildare? Because speaking of peaking, Kildare rightly fecked up their training, they were sluggish as hell against Louth but were flying against Antrim in the 2nd half and with the Leinster final on next week it seems obvious what Kildare were trying to do but completely under-estimated the challenge of Louth. Kildare just don't have the players to win those kind of games that Kerry and Tyrone seem to be able to do.
QuoteZulu you're not arguing with posters you're arguing with the myth that surrounds successful GAA managers.
Sorry Dinny, I'm not sure what you mean. Konica seems to think that if Jack says it then none of us can disagree with him which I think is utter nonsense. I don't want to give the impression that I don't rate Jack or that he doesn't have an informed opinion I just disagree that there is any real evidence that Mayo or Dublin 'peaked' early.
QuoteWhat do you think of Kildare? Because speaking of peaking, Kildare rightly fecked up their training, they were sluggish as hell against Louth but were flying against Antrim in the 2nd half and with the Leinster final on next week it seems obvious what Kildare were trying to do but completely under-estimated the challenge of Louth. Kildare just don't have the players to win those kind of games that Kerry and Tyrone seem to be able to do.
If I'm not mistaken Dinny you manage/coach a rugby team so you know as well as I do that sometimes teams go out and play poorly a week later they play brilliantly and there seems to be no reason for it. IMO everyone is now jumping on this peaking bandwagon and apportioning any sluggish performances to a poorly timed training program when this isn't necessarily the case.
I was listening to 'Take your point' yesterday and one of the analyst mentioned the fact that Galway hurlers may have 'peaked' in the league three times. Now the only reason he said that was because they played well then and haven't done so since but if you asked him about Galway's training programme or what the physiology of peaking is I'm sure he wouldn't have a clue therefore all he really did was bandy about a buzzword, as did Jack O'Connor IMO.
Peaking is a concept takien from individual sports and IMO it is nigh on impossible to get teams to peak. Instead the training programme should be about maintaining a fairly high standard across the year and managing fatigue. Any coach who trains through early games like Louth doesn't know what he is doing IMO as there is no need to do so with breaks of 2-3 weeks between championship games.
QuoteKildare just don't have the players to win those kind of games that Kerry and Tyrone seem to be able to do.
This is a key point, Kerry and Tyrone (Cork too) can beat most teams while at 70-80% so they can engage in harder training prior to games and still win, though I don't think they necessarily need to do so. However, most of the rest can't do that and therefore it shouldn't be attempted, periodised you season based on the games you play. That may mean that you break your training up into blocks of 3 weeks or even two weeks or it may mean you use a mixture of different periodised strategies but the concept of training through games to 'peak' for a game you may not even get to is utter rubbish IMO.
I just mean that a winning All-Ireland manager is treated as if he can walk on water and everything he says should be taken as gospel because he has won an All-Ireland and if you disagree then you must be mad.
I know what training Kildare were doing through the League and I believe they got it wrong because as you say it's not an exact science, I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, it was over a year ago that we were debating the benefits affects of periodisation and how it wouldn't be suited to a team etc. But Kildare imho opinion were not fresh for the Louth game physically or mentally as all 15 players looked off the pace. For that I lay the blame with management in particular the evidence since in the two games against Antrim when we looked much quicker to the ball and dominated the physical exchanges.
QuoteI just mean that a winning All-Ireland manager is treated as if he can walk on water and everything he says should be taken as gospel because he has won an All-Ireland and if you disagree then you must be mad.
Yep that's the one alright, a myth that Konica fully signs up for.
QuoteI'm not jumping on any bandwagon
I didn't say you were Dinny but many people/pundits are now throwing this peaking thing around without having any knowledge about it and therefore it can, and should be, challenged.
QuoteBut Kildare imho opinion were not fresh for the Louth game physically or mentally as all 15 players looked off the pace.
You could be right and if they did train through that game in the belief that they would win it and that this would allow them peak for the Leinster final then I would question whether they know what they are doing.
Just to highlight how little is still known about periodisation and the nonsense that is often spoken. A few years ago, a study was conducted of the training practices of all the NFL coaches in American football. I can't remember the exact figures but most of them said that they conducted periodised training programmes but when the investigators looked at their training programmes in detail, less than half were actually doing a periodised programme. In other words most of them didn't know what periodised training was (outside of a vague notion) or how to do it. This was about 10 years ago in fairness but I've no doubt that the training programmes of many IC teams have little scientific rationale underpinning them. I know the Limerick training programme doesn't yet they are doing fine.
I think McGeeney more or less admitted after the Louth match that Kildare had got their preparation all wrong.
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: The Konica on July 05, 2010, 08:41:43 AM
It's a very simple point which you're still not grasping ...
Jack O'Connor has done it.
Repeatedly.
You say you know more and yet can't or won't give any proof.
Who are people going to believe? A proven All Ireland winning manager with a track record or a fantasist?
It is you who can't grasp the simple point. Jack claimed that both Dublin and Mayo peaked too early and the only reason he seemed to have for this claim is that both did well in the league but had performed poorly in the championship. I disagreed with this and pointed out that other teams, i.e. Cork, Sligo, Limerick, Wexford, Monaghan etc. who had done well in the league and had put a good effort into it had also perofrmed well in the championship. So Jack was either 'yerraing' or he was wrong.
You then suggested that because Jack has won AI's that he must be right and any poster here must be wrong. I then pointed out that I have a good deal of knowledge and experience in this area and would know what I was talking about, you then assume that this can't be true as apparently a poster having some experience of professional sport is akin to claiming you walked on the moon. I can't prove what I have done as I'm not going to post personal information about myself and giving a list of coaches and athletes I've worked with would prove nothing anyway as you wouldn't know if I had or not.
I've never lied on this forum about anything I have done, if doing some work in professional sport is such a fantastical concept to you that anyone claiming to have done it must be lying well then you must live a sheltered life.
I've supported my view that teh Dublin and Mayo footballers didn't peak with a logical argument all you have is that Jack said it so it must be true. I'd say many posters here would be of a similar opinion to myself and moysider as most of them can think for themselves.
Just as I thought ..
The internet is like the pubs full of people who claim Jack O'Connor (or manager X) 'know nothing about peaking' and are talking 'nonsense' about it and that they ' have a good deal of knowledge and experience' in peaking and could do better or have done better.
Like I said before who are people going to believe? A proven All Ireland winning manager with a track record or a fantasist?
At this stage it's rhetorical, don't bother to waste another post with waffle, unless you can back it up.
Konica,
Do you accept that
a) There are people who know more about Jack O'Connor about the science of 'peaking' and periodised training, in a professional capacity?
b) That some of these people might also be interested in the GAA and some might even post here?
c) That Jack realises that other people know more than him and therefore uses them in his preparation of Kerry?
A nothing article in a newspaper in June is not a true reflection of what Jack O'Connor thinks about peaking or anything else. Why in the name of God would he care about them peaking. (PS if Dublin's form in the league constitutes a peak then God help them).
Finally, I've had similar discussions with Zulu before, and I've come to the conclusion that professionals in the field shouldn't try to debate with people who use terms like peaking (which means 'going well') in a GAA context :D
Just after coming on this thread late-ish
Zulu -
From what I've read I don't think Konica's point is about peaking per se - rather that you see yourself able to criticize a manager who has produced results.
He has a point. Unless you're Mickey Harte of course.
Dinny -
I'm not surprised by the Kildare failure to be honest. I know some of the things they did and the philosophies behind them and it's no surprise they bombed they how they did. I just surprised they didn't spot it earlier or hadn't the experience to spot it earlier. Mind you, I think peaking is far from the only issue they have.
And 'Peaking' a team for a game is very possible.
While it's complex and not straightforward, it's very possible if the right people are in control and managing the process.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 05, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
Konica,
Do you accept that
a) There are people who know more about Jack O'Connor about the science of 'peaking' and periodised training, in a professional capacity?
b) That some of these people might also be interested in the GAA and some might even post here?
c) That Jack realises that other people know more than him and therefore uses them in his preparation of Kerry?
A nothing article in a newspaper in June is not a true reflection of what Jack O'Connor thinks about peaking or anything else. Why in the name of God would he care about them peaking. (PS if Dublin's form in the league constitutes a peak then God help them).
Finally, I've had similar discussions with Zulu before, and I've come to the conclusion that professionals in the field shouldn't try to debate with people who use terms like peaking (which means 'going well') in a GAA context :D
AZ, my point is very simple ... the world is full of muppet's who come on to sites and say 'I know more than manager X', I could do better etc etc.
It's easy to sit behind a key board and criticize a manager and say 'I know more than him'.
I guarantee you very few people could manage a team to 'peak' as well as he had.
By the way - I'm not exactly a fan of O'Connor's either, but I respect his ability.
Also - Peaking is NOT just a physical condition - it's not just down to a physical trainer, which naive people assume.
To also suggest that Jack O'Connor is not in charge or party to the training is idiotic and stupid.
Finally to claim that someone could do better is simply arrogant and stupid, managing an IC team is a very demanding and challenging role, unless you've been there it's nothing short of stupid to think you can do better - certainly wrt to a manager as successful as Jack.
(Out of politeness the answer to your questions is 'yes' on all ... but I think from above you'll see my point is very different.)
I know what you are saying, and I know (from experience :D) what Zulu is saying too. It's semantics.
I agree with you, and I also agree with him.
Well I'm with Zulu on this, and he never said he could do a better job that Jack O'Connor.
But Jack was talking absolute nonsense when he said Dublin peaked in the league. Dublin were trying out new players and new formations during the league. We happened to play reasonably well v Kerry in our first game (which is probably the only time Jack looked at us in detail) but for the remainder of the campaign we mainly played rubbish with the odd 10 minute decent spell thrown in - apart from our 7th game where we played well.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2010, 03:51:43 PM
Well I'm with Zulu on this, and he never said he could do a better job that Jack O'Connor.
???
In fairness nobody said that either!
Gas how a Mayo v Longford thread turned into a Dublin/Kildare/Jack O'Connor and peaking thread.
Ha ha!
Someone needs to end this pissing contest and close the thread!
Quote from: Logan on July 05, 2010, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2010, 03:51:43 PM
Well I'm with Zulu on this, and he never said he could do a better job that Jack O'Connor.
???
In fairness nobody said that either!
Quote from: The Konica on July 05, 2010, 03:40:28 PM
Finally to claim that someone could do better is simply arrogant and stupid, managing an IC team is a very demanding and challenging role, unless you've been there it's nothing short of stupid to think you can do better - certainly wrt to a manager as successful as Jack.
Zulu, sorry I mean Hound ... that was a general reply to AZ about the know all muppets on GAA forums, but you already know all that. ;)
Quote from: The Konica on July 05, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Zulu, sorry I mean Hound ... that was a general reply to AZ about the know all muppets on GAA forums, but you already know all that. ;)
No it wasn't, you claimed I said I could do a better job than Jack. So you are either an idiot or are lying, In my first post on the topic I said I disagreed with his assertion on Dublin and Mayo pointing out why. In response to your query as to how I could possibly justify having the gumption to disagree with Jack O'Connor about anything I said I knew more about the concept of peaking than Jack (which I do). Now to your simple mind this seems an outlandish claim, I don't see why as I never claimed I could do a better job as an IC coach than Jack I was simply saying that there is no evidence that Dublin/Mayo peaked early. This rather straight forward argument seems to be beyond you and you are now resorting to talking lies and bullshit in equal measure. Don't bother responding to this as you've long since stopped making any kind of relevant points.
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2010, 03:51:43 PM
Well I'm with Zulu on this, and he never said he could do a better job that Jack O'Connor.
But Jack was talking absolute nonsense when he said Dublin peaked in the league. Dublin were trying out new players and new formations during the league. We happened to play reasonably well v Kerry in our first game (which is probably the only time Jack looked at us in detail) but for the remainder of the campaign we mainly played rubbish with the odd 10 minute decent spell thrown in - apart from our 7th game where we played well.
How can players Hound not be tired after training twice a day so early in the season. Ewan Mc Kenna made a valubale point in the tribune yesterday for once. Its an amateur game. You can only professionalise it so much. You wouldn't need a degree in exercise physiology to know Dublin are already over-trained at this stage of the season. The constant obsession with having rippling muscles in preference to core stability is something that astonishes me with Dublin teams.
*Last visited page 20...sees nothing of interest, leaves*
Quote from: mrmotivator on July 06, 2010, 12:25:56 AM
Has to be the worst Mayo performance on record that Longford game.
Were you even at the game? That comment ignores the super performance by Longford.
Sometimes it's good to reflect on how far we have come and how quickly we turned it round.
Also reflect on the several million euro spent trying to train a donkey to win the grand national and how little reward for that money, and keep an eye out for the turnaround once again, its not far away.
Quote from: giveballaghback on January 03, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
Also reflect on the several million euro spent trying to train a donkey to win the grand national and how little reward for that money, and keep an eye out for the turnaround once again, its not far away.
Thanks for that intriguing insight , good to see a poster from a neighbouring county can post without even a hint of jealousy or bitterness.
"the best is yet to come " revolution is well underway we see with a comprehensive victorious start to their defence of the FBD crown.
Happy new year lar, the ball is in and the game is on.