With the news of Ross`s sacking the hunt will now begin for his successor. Who do we want? Will it be an outsider? Would our county board spend the money? Will it be another dream team of 2 All Ireland winners. Wee James will probably be favourite at this stage, so who do you all want to see in the job come January?
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J. McCartan 6/4
S. Og. McAteer/D Cahill 3/1 ;)
Mark Turley 9to4
Is he not contracted to the minor job for life?
what about an outside man, maybe its time to look elsewhere?
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 28, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
what about an outside man, maybe its time to look elsewhere?
Basically lads, right now we need somebody with inter-county experience. Somebody to steady the ship. Mistakes must be at a minimum to save us from relegation from division 2. This sacking could prove to come back and haunt the county board, consistency was/is needed
Tommy Carr
Well I have to say I'm delighted with the news .
A once proud county now can hopefully move forward and forget this silly notion of good players making good managers - it doesn't happen and if it does it is a coincidence!
Now as a man with his finger on the pulse I must say the canvassing has already begun ! We will have the James people trying to get their media friends in tow and spinning he is odds on favourite . We will then have wee Pete with his formidable campaign team very well resoursed and financed using their clout and trying to go for the misty eyed 90s nostalgia with Mickey on board and the drivers too and not underestimating the mourne angle here too.This one will be played out in the media with one side and their spin doctors saying they are odds on etc..
This will be fun ! But for the gael this is serious I want neither of the above ! My county needs something different- a no nonsense man with a proven record at intercounty level.
the gael takes no prisoners
Yet again the gael is very critical of everyone and anyone, but shys away from naming a replacement for Ross.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 29, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
Tommy Carr
Ziggy is making as much sense as usual with that one, but in a gaaboard first he actually managed to spell two consecutive words correctly.
What would this Down team need to do next year for that manager to be considered a sucess?
What's down's fans expectations?
First and foremost they must remain in Division 2 then a decent shot at an Ulster title. A run to the quarter finals would also be a bonus and should not be beyond this team.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 29, 2009, 12:27:08 AM
First and foremost they must remain in Division 2 then a decent shot at an Ulster title. A run to the quarter finals would also be a bonus and should not be beyond this team.
See that's where I think the problem might be, I'd have my doubts about whether the Down team would be capable of that. I mean, maybe a run to the qualifiers depending on the draw they got but are they in the top 8 in the country? Absoloutely not, they're well down the pecking order in Ulster imo. I think they could improve with the right manager but not to that extent.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 29, 2009, 12:20:48 AM
Yet again the gael is very critical of everyone and anyone, but shys away from naming a replacement for Ross.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 29, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
Tommy Carr
Ziggy is making as much sense as usual with that one, but in a gaaboard first he actually managed to spell two consecutive words correctly.
That's Harsh :D :D
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 29, 2009, 12:32:16 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on July 29, 2009, 12:27:08 AM
First and foremost they must remain in Division 2 then a decent shot at an Ulster title. A run to the quarter finals would also be a bonus and should not be beyond this team.
See that's where I think the problem might be, I'd have my doubts about whether the Down team would be capable of that. I mean, maybe a run to the qualifiers depending on the draw they got but are they in the top 8 in the country? Absoloutely not, they're well down the pecking order in Ulster imo. I think they could improve with the right manager but not to that extent.
The draws may have been kind, but if Malachy O'Rourke and Liam Bradley can take Fermanagh and Antrim to Ulster Finals then I'd suggest that Down should have a pretty decent chance of getting to an Ulster Final and have at least punchers chance when they get that far.
Would a Linden/wee James ticket not appeal to the Down faithful or is it a case of only having 1 chief in charge this time?
As the Irish News says this morning, Brian McIver. With a good background team He would be a good choice.
John Maughan
Brian McIvor would not be a bad shout. i would like them to approach colm o'rourke to see if he would be interested.
Quote from: behind the wire on July 29, 2009, 09:20:46 AM
Brian McIvor would not be a bad shout. i would like them to approach colm o'rourke to see if he would be interested.
And give up the Sunday Game?
Micko!!
How do the Down supporters rate Paddy Tally after this year? Do you reckon he should shoulder some of the
blame for the teams poor championship showings?
Mickey Moran; he's managed everywhere else and must get a result some time!
Aidan O'Rourke, he has intercounty managerial experience.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 29, 2009, 12:35:14 AM
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spell two consecutive words correctly [/b]
That's Harsh
Well done
Quote from: thebandit on July 29, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Aidan O'Rourke, he has intercounty managerial experience.
;) :D
The Down County Board have excelled yet again - 'be careful what you wish for' springs to mind here.
In my opinion Ross Carr should have been given one final year - whoever takes over as manager of Down will have to deal with the same pool of players, the same 'jobs for the boys' county board and the same negativity from down fans, who only 5/6 games ago were praising the down team, as the next best thing...
When Down beat Tyrone last year, i was one of the Tyrone fans who had a niggling feeling that Micky Harte had run his course - there were more exaggerated views than this towards Micky and as the season progressed, with poor performances against Wastmeath adn Mayo, the number of people calling for his removal increased - how wrong the average fan is....
Same as now - I have never managed a team at any level, but by the sounds of the Down fans here, they are all fairly experienced with team/man/player/ego management.
I am sad to see Carr go - and whilst the 'who's next' campiagn continues at a pace, I hope that he will be remembered for his on-field and off-field contribution to your county
Derek Davis. He is the most recent winner of an All Ireland with a Down team. :D
Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2009, 10:51:05 AM
Derek Davis. He is the most recent winner of an All Ireland with a Down team. :D
Er, I think it was Glasdrumman that he one celebrity bainestoir with & not Down ;D ;D ;D
Glasdrumman are a down team surely?
Wee James seems the obvious choice.
i think mebbe just a few years earlier than wee james himself would like. McIver would be a great option. any odds on him yet?
Quote from: imagine on July 29, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
Quote from: thebandit on July 29, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Aidan O'Rourke, he has intercounty managerial experience.
Where and when did he gain that experience?
McKenna Cup
Quote from: imagine on July 29, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on July 29, 2009, 10:29:37 AM
The Down County Board have excelled yet again - 'be careful what you wish for' springs to mind here.
In my opinion Ross Carr should have been given one final year - whoever takes over as manager of Down will have to deal with the same pool of players, the same 'jobs for the boys' county board and the same negativity from down fans, who only 5/6 games ago were praising the down team, as the next best thing...
When Down beat Tyrone last year, i was one of the Tyrone fans who had a niggling feeling that Micky Harte had run his course - there were more exaggerated views than this towards Micky and as the season progressed, with poor performances against Wastmeath adn Mayo, the number of people calling for his removal increased - how wrong the average fan is....
Same as now - I have never managed a team at any level, but by the sounds of the Down fans here, they are all fairly experienced with team/man/player/ego management.
I am sad to see Carr go - and whilst the 'who's next' campiagn continues at a pace, I hope that he will be remembered for his on-field and off-field contribution to your county
Can you please go and comment on matters Tyrone or in your new home county?
I rest my case
the county needs a manger that the players will run through brick walls for. Providing he's up for it, give the job to pete mc grath. Lets face it, if he cant do something we may pack it in and support the hurlers full time!
The problem with Down supporters is that we think we have a God given right to be challengers for the All-Ireland, but it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. The players just aren't up to standard at the minute.
With regards to a new manager, think it has to be someone from outside the county, not Pete.
I think they'll try and exhaust all the possibilities within the county before looking outside.
Think Mark Turley is worth a shout, he knows the best the talent that's coming through in the county having been involved in developlment squads and minor set-up for a good few years.
Peoples' reservations with Pete McGrath may be based on the fact that the game has moved on considerably since he won the All-Ireland in 91 and 94, but he has shown with his success with the U21 that those fears are unfounded.
Would love to see Pete get it with maybe Wee James as his number two (if that's possible!)
cant be Pete lost the dressing room last time round with a number of players that are still there and is outdated training and tactical-wise, yes done great work with the U21's however anyone can see the difference in U21 and Senior football-senior football is not a case of trying to outscore the opposition.
honestly would like someone from outside the county, Down may not have the top players in Ireland but there is a decent base of players there who if drilled in a system of play could take a few scalps.
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1.
Quote from: drici on July 29, 2009, 04:32:55 PM
Ballyholland wins the Galway Plate at 16/1.
...AND i'M PROBABLY THE ONLY DICKHEAD FROM BALLYHOLLAND THAT WASN'T ON IT :'( :'(
Mark Turley my arse .
NaomhBridabu has got it exactly right.
Mark Turley would be a disaster.
Quote from: imagine on July 29, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 29, 2009, 07:24:40 PM
Mark Turley my arse .
NaomhBridabu has got it exactly right.
What exactly has Tyrone/Antrim St Brigids abu got right?
Ross was voted by a 4 to 1 majority which in another thread you called mob-rule.
The vote last night was done I'm led to believe by secret ballot where people are free to vote without worrying who
sees them or otherwise.
It's that secret that we are going to have a job seeing how are rep voted but his vote hardly was the making or breaking of Ross
Mark Turley would be better than Ross.
The fact that Mark Turley would make a good senior manager is laughable :D
Turley?Wouldnt last too long
I'd go for Brian McIvor if he's interested
Id like to see wee James given the job, he done a great job with Queens, done well with St. Galls and seems to be doing ok, with ballinderry at present!
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2009, 07:26:42 PM
Mark Turley would be a disaster.
His CV says that he managed Down minors to all-ireland success. Are you saying thats easy and anyone could have done it?
What else does he need to have achieved?
I think Im one of the few who is sad to see Ross leave.
By and large we had the best players from the county on the panel this year (cue Mid Down Gael's Kilcoo under - representation rant). However, we have what we have. Apart from Luke Howard and Aidan Carr we dont have any other top notch Senior Intercounty standard defenders. We have decent enough midfield and forward options but only three or four of these players showed any type of form this year.
We can critiscise Ross for implementing wrong tactics or for that matter not using tactics at all. But, at the end of the day there is only so much you can get out of tactics if you don't have the quality of player for them to be successful.
The way forward for Down I think is to abandon our outdated and unbridled all out attack system. We need to get ugly. We need a defensive system which reeks of negativity but one which will provide a solid platform. We have the attackers capable of winning games but once we sort out our achilles heel (our defence) we will be well on to road to recovery. The next new manager will need to unearth a few more intelligent defenders capable of playing to an effective system.
Who that manager is, I don't know. Personally, I would of give Ross another year with a capable right hand man and Tally in training the team again.
The usual names will be bandied about and the usual ex players and that will be talked about but the one man Id like to see in the reckoning is PJ Magee. PJ seems to be a manager that plays to his strengths. Any time Ive watched any of his teams they always seem to be tactically aware, confident on the ball and astute enough to react to in game situations.
PJ has vast experience and success in Down circles, not only at club level but colleges level as well. He is well respected and a man who I think can turn this once proud county in to a new force.
when do the nominations have to be in by?
Quote from: Square Ball on July 29, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
when do the nominations have to be in by?
Don't know. Id say a lot of clubs will be putting forward McGrath and wee James while Id expect Mark Turley will also get a few recommendations.
Turley is laughable
QuoteAre you saying thats easy and anyone could have done it?
Orior the golden rule is that players win games and managers lose them.
Down don't need to promote a minor manager - we need someone who eats, sleeps and breathes the nuances, tactics and temperament of senior championship football.
Down don't need an old hand to guide a young hand - I'm surely not alone in being sick at watching the last two Down management set-ups pondering switches and substitutions at length, while they each have their say and pass approval.
Down don't need to go back in time, so no Pete McGrath please. We don't need to reward Mickey Linden for being an all-time great player by putting him out of his depth as a manager. We don't need a greyhound trainer, so no John Rafferty please.
If James McCartan isn't the man, I'd put forward Jason Ryan. Whether he'd hike up from the South East is a different question.
Jason Ryan, a fine young manager, is from Waterford, and getting him north for training would require either a house or a helicopter. Some counties have been prepared to take similar steps for the likes of Micko and Paudi in the past, but it is not likely that Down are in that position. While Colm O'Rourke would not have too far to travel, he would need a formidable package to tempt him away from RTE and he is probably only interested in an eventual rattle at the Meath job.
We are effectively restricted to Ulster, and Brian McIver is available and certainly worth a look, although, after his Donegal experiences, he may not wish to return to county football. Malachy O'Rourke also has the credentials, but it would be a big ask for him to walk out on his native county. It is diifficult to see how anyone from Armagh could manage Down, or vice versa.
While I can understand why Wobbler and others think Peter McGrath would be turning back the clock, back to back Ulster u21 titles suggest differently. He has also proved that he can get the best out of senior players at An Riocht and Bryansford. He stayed in the post far too long the last time, but two Sams probably entitled him to believe that he could turn things round in difficult circumstances.
The bottom line is that he has also been responsible for bringing home six of our last eight provincial championships - two each at minor, u21 and senior.
He did fall out with James McCartan in 1993, but they were able to patch things up and allow James to play on for another decade. McGrath, with the right assistants - why not including McCartan - is by no means the only option but still looks the best overall bet.
Frank Dawson,Jim Mc Corry,Mickey Linden,James McCartan,Pete Mc Grath-Any of these would do for U-21's or below but not for
the big one.
To appoint James Mc Cartan would be to fall into the same old trap, as the only CV he has is that he was a great player, and achieved some minor success at Sigerson level. I believe the appointment of James would be a very serious mistake. We need a Man with serious weight depth and experience. Having racked my brains, and considered all possible options, only two names emerge from within the County, Pete Mc Grath and P.J.Mc Gee. There simply is no other candidates worthy of consideration
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 29, 2009, 11:00:38 PM
I think Im one of the few who is sad to see Ross leave.
By and large we had the best players from the county on the panel this year (cue Mid Down Gael's Kilcoo under - representation rant). However, we have what we have. Apart from Luke Howard and Aidan Carr we dont have any other top notch Senior Intercounty standard defenders. We have decent enough midfield and forward options but only three or four of these players showed any type of form this year.
We can critiscise Ross for implementing wrong tactics or for that matter not using tactics at all. But, at the end of the day there is only so much you can get out of tactics if you don't have the quality of player for them to be successful.
The way forward for Down I think is to abandon our outdated and unbridled all out attack system. We need to get ugly. We need a defensive system which reeks of negativity but one which will provide a solid platform. We have the attackers capable of winning games but once we sort out our achilles heel (our defence) we will be well on to road to recovery. The next new manager will need to unearth a few more intelligent defenders capable of playing to an effective system.
Who that manager is, I don't know. Personally, I would of give Ross another year with a capable right hand man and Tally in training the team again.
The usual names will be bandied about and the usual ex players and that will be talked about but the one man Id like to see in the reckoning is PJ Magee. PJ seems to be a manager that plays to his strengths. Any time Ive watched any of his teams they always seem to be tactically aware, confident on the ball and astute enough to react to in game situations.
PJ has vast experience and success in Down circles, not only at club level but colleges level as well. He is well respected and a man who I think can turn this once proud county in to a new force.
If you read all my previous posts i never mentioned Kilcoo's representation. I continually mentioned Michael Walsh, John Clarke and James Colgan who all deserved to be on the Down panel. Saying that, a team that reaches the top 4 in division one every year, winning 2 titles in 5 years, surely deserves players getting a chance to show their worth especialy when you compare to some off the players Ross had on board.
Pete McGrath seems pretty interested in the job according to this mornings Irish News.
Quote from: imagine on July 29, 2009, 11:48:31 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 29, 2009, 11:41:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2009, 11:16:04 PM
QuoteAre you saying thats easy and anyone could have done it?
Orior the golden rule is that players win games and managers lose them.
Down don't need to promote a minor manager - we need someone who eats, sleeps and breathes the nuances, tactics and temperament of senior championship football.
Down don't need an old hand to guide a young hand - I'm surely not alone in being sick at watching the last two Down management set-ups pondering switches and substitutions at length, while they each have their say and pass approval.
Down don't need to go back in time, so no Pete McGrath please. We don't need to reward Mickey Linden for being an all-time great player by putting him out of his depth as a manager. We don't need a greyhound trainer, so no John Rafferty please.
If James McCartan isn't the man, I'd put forward Jason Ryan. Whether he'd hike up from the South East is a different question.
Wexford's record this year under Jaon Ryan
From the Wexford People Newspaper Wed July22nd
In the gloom of Dr. Hye Park last Saturday afternoon where Wexford bid their championship farewell to a lowly Roscommon outfit - themselves embarrassed by a provincial semi-final mauling at the hands of Mayo - mentors and players did not need any reminding of the year they left behind.
Thirteen competitive games were played since January, but the record makes for dismal reading: 10 defeats; 1 victory; 2 draws.
Many of Wexford's league defeats bordered on the embarrassing, while they were comfortably cast aside by Kildare in the championship. In the qualifiers they struggled to defeat lowly Offaly, while a young Roscommon side ended their championship without a whimper.
Manager Ryan had the backing of the Wexford footballing public going into 2009, but it was evident as early as February that it was all not adding up, as successive heavy league defeats followed one after the other.
Wexford supporters were not just surprised, they were shocked by the results. It made no sense for the manager to be speaking about tactics and a glut of possession after each mauling, with not a positive result in sight. Something had to give, and in the end football in the county took a nosedive, with the poorest sequence of results for a long, long time in the history of the Model county.
A lot of soul-searching will go into Wexford's year, particularly their application and discipline during the course of the campaign.
There is not a single outstanding feature to look back on, and County Board officers cannot continue looking back over their shoulder to 2008. The 2009 results are what matter most and, given our dismal year, many at the top table have lots of questions to answer before delivering their review of the year that was.
No thanks
I know Jason quite well and even last year I was wondering how he had managed to become the management sensation that he was in 2008. He's a great lad, very smart and very committed, but the real art to management is how to turn possible defeats into victories. Keeping a team winning is
relatively easy in comparison. This year I think the gaps in his knowledge were exposed and exposed from quite early on. I have no doubt he will be an excellent long term prospect in management, but the notion of him taking on a big team with aspirations of glory is a non-runner for me at present. He has too much learning to do and doesn't even have the luxury of a credible playing CV to fall back on - something that might help add to his knowledge base..... i.e. that whole argument about knowing how to win etc. Give him time and he will come good, but I don't think time is something that the next Down manager would have in abundance.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
While I can understand why Wobbler and others think Peter McGrath would be turning back the clock, back to back Ulster u21 titles suggest differently. He has also proved that he can get the best out of senior players at An Riocht and Bryansford. He stayed in the post far too long the last time, but two Sams probably entitled him to believe that he could turn things round in difficult circumstances.
The bottom line is that he has also been responsible for bringing home six of our last eight provincial championships - two each at minor, u21 and senior.
He did fall out with James McCartan in 1993, but they were able to patch things up and allow James to play on for another decade. McGrath, with the right assistants - why not including McCartan - is by no means the only option but still looks the best overall bet.
I think Pete would command the respect of the players too. Rumours were rife under Carr and Kane of fallouts with players, etc.
I remember reading this quote from an Irish News article with Timmy Hanna written by Kenny Archer. His comments about McGrath are interesting:
"Although he's already graduated to the county seniors, his footballing education will continue in good hands at club level, with the legendary Pete McGrath now the Bryansford boss. The man who led Down to Sam Maguire Cup triumphs in 1991 and 1994 was also in charge of the Mourne county U21s, and Hanna agrees with a smile that "you can never have too much Pete, he's a great manager".
His CV says that he managed Down minors to all-ireland success. Are you saying thats easy and anyone could have done it?
What else does he need to have achieved?
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I personally don't like coming on here and disregarding managers achievements, e.g. turleys all ireland triumph, however it would of been a comfortable job in 2005. Some of yous might not know that in 2004 the minors actually were cruelly beaten by the eventual champions tyrone in the semis by a point (ironically enough managed by Carr) and from that 2004 team, 9 first team players started in 2005 and also players like McCumiskey and Mckernan played who were not there the year before. Common sense would suggest that these boys would come back more focused and determined before. Therefore the managers job was easily done. If you want to suggest Turley, i would say that he would struggle in the hot seat. The seniors at the minute must be low in morale and confidence and Turley has yet to come across this problem. Hes an average county minor manager, definitely not what Down need...
An outsider is needed, however Wee James would do a good job
Quote from: Fear Boirche on July 30, 2009, 12:14:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2009, 12:11:23 AM
While I can understand why Wobbler and others think Peter McGrath would be turning back the clock, back to back Ulster u21 titles suggest differently. He has also proved that he can get the best out of senior players at An Riocht and Bryansford. He stayed in the post far too long the last time, but two Sams probably entitled him to believe that he could turn things round in difficult circumstances.
The bottom line is that he has also been responsible for bringing home six of our last eight provincial championships - two each at minor, u21 and senior.
He did fall out with James McCartan in 1993, but they were able to patch things up and allow James to play on for another decade. McGrath, with the right assistants - why not including McCartan - is by no means the only option but still looks the best overall bet.
I think Pete would command the respect of the players too. Rumours were rife under Carr and Kane of fallouts with players, etc.
I remember reading this quote from an Irish News article with Timmy Hanna written by Kenny Archer. His comments about McGrath are interesting:
"Although he’s already graduated to the county seniors, his footballing education will continue in good hands at club level, with the legendary Pete McGrath now the Bryansford boss. The man who led Down to Sam Maguire Cup triumphs in 1991 and 1994 was also in charge of the Mourne county U21s, and Hanna agrees with a smile that “you can never have too much Pete, he’s a great manager”.
With Pete being his club manager and making him captain of the U-21's he's not gona turn round and call him shite is he?
Quote from: niveaformen on July 30, 2009, 03:00:55 PM
With Pete being his club manager and making him captain of the U-21's he's not gona turn round and call him shite is he?
Maybe the lad is just saying what he thinks.
Would it be fair to say that if Pete stands for the job, wee James won't stand against him?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 30, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
Would it be fair to say that if Pete stands for the job, wee James won't stand against him?
Why so?
Quote from: wobbller on July 30, 2009, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 30, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
Would it be fair to say that if Pete stands for the job, wee James won't stand against him?
Why so?
Well I'd have thought that James would have a great regard for Pete having played for him for so long with so much success (although Down people do say that Pete "lost the dressingroom", not sure whether that included James). Itwould be fiarly understandable if James didn't want to stand against his old manager. For example, none of the Meath players would stand against Boylan in the last few years for the same reason, Colm O'Rourke being very adamant on the subject.
RTE WEBSITE :
Pete McGrath has refused to rule himself out of the race to succeed Ross Carr as Down football manager.
McGrath previously managed the Mourne County for 13 years, during which he guided the county to All-Ireland success in 1991 and 1994. He admits that he would consider a return to the hot-seat if people thought he still had 'something to offer.'
The current Down Under-21 boss said: 'If the situation was such that people thought I had something to offer, then it's something that I would have to seriously consider. It would be unfair to look beyond that at this stage.'
Meanwhile, former star forward James McCartan wasn't giving anything away when he was asked if the vacancy would interest him.
McCartan, who won two All-Ireland medals under McGrath, insisted that his entire focus at the moment is on managing Ballinderry, who were re-instated to the Derry SFC following a successful appeal on Tuesday night.
'Anything said about me in relation to the Down job is pure conjecture,' he said in the Irish News.
'My absolute priority right now is the Ballinderry senior team. We only got back into the championship last week.'
Any bookies giving odds yet?
what about greg blaney whats he at nowadays? the best man for the down job would be banty IMO
He has had a lot of success ::)
Pete should be favourite IMHO.
Quote from: hardstation on July 30, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
Seriously though - has Paddy Kielty been ruled out?
Too busy. Can't afford him anyway.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 29, 2009, 11:16:04 PM
QuoteAre you saying thats easy and anyone could have done it?
Orior the golden rule is that players win games and managers lose them.
Except of course in Antrim, where the reverse is true.
A couple of years too early for the Pooch I think. Jody Gormley would be available, but youse are unlikely to go outside the county.
James Beag would be a sound appointment.
Jody done well with the Abbey...also he trained down in the past, and he has won in croke park.
Dont rule him out!
Quote from: fred the red on July 30, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Jody done well with the Abbey...also he trained down in the past, and he has won in croke park.
Dont rule him out!
If Down's ambitions can't stretch beyond Jody then they have real problems. What Down need at this moment is a proven, experienced manager who can command the respect of the players he has and get the very best out of the talent available to him. I think Jody would fall well short on several of that criteria.
Quote from: irunthev on July 31, 2009, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: fred the red on July 30, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
Jody done well with the Abbey...also he trained down in the past, and he has won in croke park.
Dont rule him out!
If Down's ambitions can't stretch beyond Jody then they have real problems. What Down need at this moment is a proven, experienced manager who can command the respect of the players he has and get the very best out of the talent available to him. I think Jody would fall well short on several of that criteria.
I doubt if Mickey Harte is interested
i hope whoever mentioned the name pooch (poucher) on this thread was having a laugh...if thats the way we're thinking then some boyos in Down havent a notion.
I wouldnt have mc grath near it in a million years.
Too early for wee james too (remind me of his successful managerial cv again).
has to be outside the county for me, complete clean slate, no bias, no grudges, no agenda.
But since our county board are a sham, devoid of any shrewd business acumen allied with the serious lack of cash then its likely it will be Pete or James.
on a separate note can someone even name 5 good young up and coming managers in Down football these days??
Quoteon a separate note can someone even name 5 good young up and coming managers in Down football these days??
This would be a problem in any county, let alone in one where the Senior Championship has become a procession.
There's plenty of young managers around though, off the top of head:
Gerard Colgan (Loughinisland)
Declan Morgan (Saval)
Stephen Poacher (An Riocht)
Terry McGivern / Glen Elmore (Ballyholland)
John Kane (Kilclief)
Tony Wilson (Clann na Banna)
Tom Morgan (Tullylish)
Are those all well under 40.
Eamon Burns (Darragh Cross) and Richard Starkey (Downpatrick) would be young in management terms.
James McCartan and Cathal Murray aren't 40 yet either.
There's more than a few big names acting as selectors across the county too.
Ah JHC lads what are ye thinking? The only person that got players moving in the past 10 years and nobody has even mentioned him. I speak of the great Dónal O'Neill, surely he is the most obvious choice
Spotted the obvious candidate in the Canal Court Hotel last night ......
Steve Staunton!!!!!!! ;D
Is Ray Morgan an option?
Ray Morgan is definitely not an option, id say he wouldnt touch it with a barge pole, plus he would be too old for it (no offence Ray).
Quote from: Leo on July 31, 2009, 01:27:33 PM
Spotted the obvious candidate in the Canal Court Hotel last night ......
Steve Staunton!!!!!!! ;D
He is supposed to be on a coaching course with St Kilda in Australia at the minute.
Management Selection
This is a crucial juncture in our County's recent history and the wrong selection now could set back our senior team for many years.
The most successful counties over the last 15 years since our last triumph have all evolved towards a system whereby the coach is most seperate and distinct from the manager. The coach takes training, gets players fit and works on skills while the manager deals with strategy and crucially communication. The two front runners Pete and wee James have styles that unfortunately do not fall into one category or the other and are blends of both positions. I would even go further and say that Pete is not an intercounty manager per se but rather an excellent coach. However he is not a manager as he is a very poor person to person and group communicator. He is functional and factual like a GPS system!
Take a look at Dublin and Pat Gilroy. He seems to have gone further than anyone else in this intercounty "new manager" model. Upto his appointment, Tyrone (Harte and Tally) Armagh (Kernan and Grimley) Kerry (O'Connor and Finnegan) seemed to be the front runners in creating a new job description for an Inter county manager. They abdicated responsibility for fitness and basic coaching and involved most of their time in strategy, managing resource, PR, pyschology etc. Even the great Micko has been doing likewise over the last 5 or so years with Arthur French. But Gilroy's appointment went a step further. Pat Gilroy is a very successful Chief Executive of the Irish division of a French Multinational. He should not have the spare time to manage any county team let alone Dublin. But he brings a professionalism and strategy to the role. His sole task is to allocate resource and identify need and determine strategy. He has replicated his model for business success to the dressing room. He is most definitely not working out drills!!
We need to read the writing on the wall. We need to embrace the professional business like approaches to management and organisational development and motivation. Simply appointing an ex manager or ex player is not enough. As Einstein is famously quoted as saying "If you always do what you have always done then you will always get what you have always got!"
I would like to see a radical rethink as to how our county senior team is managed based on the best practices of Organisational Development Research.
I would like to see a significant overhaul of our development structures so that we are putting in the foundations for continued future success from 10 year olds up within Down.
Though most crucially I would like to see an overhaul of the administration of the Down County association. There are simply too many people who are in executive positions with insufficient intellectual ability and even worse many are going through the motions and not serving the best interests of their membership in the county. The great breakthrough was started in the late 50's by the visionary involvement of Maurice Hayes as county secretary. We need another such talent. The present incumbent is simply not upto the task and should resign in the best interests of the county.
Jack Devanney is one of the few if only people on the County Executive at present with true ability. The Longford native is a great administrator and needs to have more likeminded capable and honest people with him to make a difference for this great county of ours.
This county needs courage. This county needs new blood at administrative level and this great county needs to get the job description right first before it looks for the best manager. Finally the successful person then needs to have the confidence in his county board and the freedom to put whatever structures he needs in place to maximise the return form the players that we have.
Congrats tomorrow is another day. You've now wrote that piece three times on separate threads. Could once not do??
Copy and paste is easy lol
But seriously I want to stimulate debate with people who truely have the best interests of down football at heart.
Are you happy with how our oranisation is governed?
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
Management Selection
This is a crucial juncture in our County's recent history and the wrong selection now could set back our senior team for many years.
The most successful counties over the last 15 years since our last triumph have all evolved towards a system whereby the coach is most seperate and distinct from the manager. The coach takes training, gets players fit and works on skills while the manager deals with strategy and crucially communication. The two front runners Pete and wee James have styles that unfortunately do not fall into one category or the other and are blends of both positions. I would even go further and say that Pete is not an intercounty manager per se but rather an excellent coach. However he is not a manager as he is a very poor person to person and group communicator. He is functional and factual like a GPS system!
Take a look at Dublin and Pat Gilroy. He seems to have gone further than anyone else in this intercounty "new manager" model. Upto his appointment, Tyrone (Harte and Tally) Armagh (Kernan and Grimley) Kerry (O'Connor and Finnegan) seemed to be the front runners in creating a new job description for an Inter county manager. They abdicated responsibility for fitness and basic coaching and involved most of their time in strategy, managing resource, PR, pyschology etc. Even the great Micko has been doing likewise over the last 5 or so years with Arthur French. But Gilroy's appointment went a step further. Pat Gilroy is a very successful Chief Executive of the Irish division of a French Multinational. He should not have the spare time to manage any county team let alone Dublin. But he brings a professionalism and strategy to the role. His sole task is to allocate resource and identify need and determine strategy. He has replicated his model for business success to the dressing room. He is most definitely not working out drills!!
We need to read the writing on the wall. We need to embrace the professional business like approaches to management and organisational development and motivation. Simply appointing an ex manager or ex player is not enough. As Einstein is famously quoted as saying "If you always do what you have always done then you will always get what you have always got!"
I would like to see a radical rethink as to how our county senior team is managed based on the best practices of Organisational Development Research.
I would like to see a significant overhaul of our development structures so that we are putting in the foundations for continued future success from 10 year olds up within Down.
Though most crucially I would like to see an overhaul of the administration of the Down County association. There are simply too many people who are in executive positions with insufficient intellectual ability and even worse many are going through the motions and not serving the best interests of their membership in the county. The great breakthrough was started in the late 50's by the visionary involvement of Maurice Hayes as county secretary. We need another such talent. The present incumbent is simply not upto the task and should resign in the best interests of the county.
Jack Devanney is one of the few if only people on the County Executive at present with true ability. The Longford native is a great administrator and needs to have more likeminded capable and honest people with him to make a difference for this great county of ours.
This county needs courage. This county needs new blood at administrative level and this great county needs to get the job description right first before it looks for the best manager. Finally the successful person then needs to have the confidence in his county board and the freedom to put whatever structures he needs in place to maximise the return form the players that we have.
That's the biggest load of shite i've heard in a long time, i'd say he's a softly spoken & poor radio commentator, who is full of his own importance & hasn't as much knowledge of the GAA as he seems to think he has!
Not as a manager but as a GAA administrator he is excellent.
We need to find top quality people to manage the administration and governance of our county executive
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 05:28:28 PM
Not as a manager but as a GAA administrator he is excellent.
We need to find top quality people to manage the administration and governance of our county executive
I'll agree to disagree.
who is Cathal Murray managing at the min?
If Devenny is the comentator on 5fm he's bloody excellent
I really think its a straight fight between james and pete.
I know for a fact that james was sounded out before ross got it, and I also know that james won't publicly go head to head with pete but def wud be interested.
I would like to see james take the job, as he is a v shrewd man/manager and was one of the cleverest players I ever played with.
No doubt a great players doesn't make a great manager but his mgt record is pretty decent.
I particularly like his willingness to put out teams/formations dependant on who he plays against or what he has available to him.
A down team led by james would no doubt be willing to play 13 behind the ball and win ugly which no doubt we need to do right now
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 03:48:42 PM
Copy and paste is easy lol
But seriously I want to stimulate debate with people who truely have the best interests of down football at heart.
Are you happy with how our oranisation is governed?
Yes, as a Mayoman, I'm delighted with other counties falling out of championship left, right and centre!! ;)
Goldenyears is correct to suggest that it is probably down to McGrath or McCartan, but that was always likely to be the case. As predicted earlier in this thread, McIver has confirmed that he does not want to return to county management. He was realistically one of very few outside candidates who were geographically or financially viable.
While McCartan has clear potential, McGrath has the undisputed track record and, as his interview with Paddy Heaney the other day outlined, is well up to speed on both the theory and the technology of modern training techniques.
Although McGrath and McCartan had their differences in the past, why should they not work together ? McGrath is a pragmatist, and twice brought McCartan back to the squad as a player when it seemed as through their relationship was over. They also go back a long way with St Colman's and Down minors even before the 91 and 94 AI wins.
The fact that they have different approaches and opinions could be a considerable strength rather than a weakness. A partnership with McGrath as manager and McCartan as coach could go horribly wrong but it might just take us a long way.
not a hope in hell of those two working together, complete clash of personalities.
Whoever mantioned Cathal Murray, Catch yerself on!!
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2009, 01:11:34 PM
Quoteon a separate note can someone even name 5 good young up and coming managers in Down football these days??
This would be a problem in any county, let alone in one where the Senior Championship has become a procession.
There's plenty of young managers around though, off the top of head:
Gerard Colgan (Loughinisland)
Declan Morgan (Saval)
Stephen Poacher (An Riocht)
Terry McGivern / Glen Elmore (Ballyholland)
John Kane (Kilclief)
Tony Wilson (Clann na Banna)
Tom Morgan (Tullylish)
Are those all well under 40.
Eamon Burns (Darragh Cross) and Richard Starkey (Downpatrick) would be young in management terms.
James McCartan and Cathal Murray aren't 40 yet either.
There's more than a few big names acting as selectors across the county too.
Richard Starkey manages RGU reserves. Would be a big step up to manage the County!!
QuoteRichard Starkey manages RGU reserves. Would be a big step up to manage the County!!
I could have sworn he was in charge of RGU when they were in Ballyholland earlier the year. Who is in charge?
QuoteA partnership with McGrath as manager and McCartan as coach could go horribly wrong but it might just take us a long way.
Sorry, but this is the kind of madness I would normally associate with a soccer fan - putting two and three together and somehow making a nice round four. McCartan has made his mark so far as a manager, not as a coach. Two very, very different things. Quite how his ability to select, lead and inspire belief would make him a good choice for coach, I just don't know.
Even when two people are positioned as joint managers, somebody has to have the controlling hand. Somebody has to have the dicating vote on tactics, training methods and selection issues. It tends to work a whole lot better when those involved have a similar footballing ethos. Stops them blaming each other and all that.
a bit like steve staunton and bobby robson there it sounds to me, woeful idea.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
QuoteRichard Starkey manages RGU reserves. Would be a big step up to manage the County!!
I could have sworn he was in charge of RGU when they were in Ballyholland earlier the year. Who is in charge?
Richard managed Downpatrick 2 years ago. K Smyth now the manager.
Good lad but with difficult job in hand. Did a great job with Ardglass last year but couldn't just get them over the finish line.
In time he will do well with Downpatrick, once he gets a few of the loose cannons sorted
Bar one or two they are all late teens early twenties
Wobbler regards the idea that the two best qualified candidates in Down might work together as `madness`, and has proposed that we should instead somehow bring in the Waterford-based Jason Ryan. It shows that football is all about opinions, and I would acknowledge that Wobbler has an insight into Down football well beyond most of the other posters on this site. However, I never mentioned joint managers. If McGrath goes for the top post, which seems likely, he is in line to get it. This would leave the position as coach/assistant available if McCartan wanted to have a crack at it.
Ross and DJ were presumably on the same wavelength, as were Paddy O'Rourke and his team, but that did not take us very far over the last seven years. A manager and a coach who could argue over the issues and come up with the best solutions might or might not work, but it could be worth a try. Moving the existing u21 management up is an alternative which is also a gamble. We need to look at all our options closely.
Derek Davis hasnt been mentioned?
once selected, a manager usually brings in his own backroom team, and since mcgrath and james have never been a management team before then i dont see a reason why they would be thrown together now and expected to work with each other, they definitely cant work together as a managament team, really cant see how anyone could see that happening.
What about Jim Mc Corry?
Quote from: wobbller on August 03, 2009, 06:38:11 PM
What about Jim Mc Corry?
Good point, as he has tried almost every down club already so the natural progression would be county manager. Armagh are like Down in many ways always go for the stupid choice or sympathic vote.
James as assistant would be another DJ, nothing but trouble
When has McCartan ever been "trouble"?
Was chatting to a few St Pauls men who said it was the worst performance they had seen in any St Pauls team in over 40 years.
will it be Pete and Mickey Linden i, if i were wee james i would wait a while
seriously got to think outside the box here, whilst there will never be a perfect candidate i think the tactics employed by mc grath wouldnt cut it at senior level.
turley would be a complete disaster we would be better off with o rourke back!
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
Management Selection
This is a crucial juncture in our County's recent history and the wrong selection now could set back our senior team for many years.
The most successful counties over the last 15 years since our last triumph have all evolved towards a system whereby the coach is most seperate and distinct from the manager. The coach takes training, gets players fit and works on skills while the manager deals with strategy and crucially communication. The two front runners Pete and wee James have styles that unfortunately do not fall into one category or the other and are blends of both positions. I would even go further and say that Pete is not an intercounty manager per se but rather an excellent coach. However he is not a manager as he is a very poor person to person and group communicator. He is functional and factual like a GPS system!
Take a look at Dublin and Pat Gilroy. He seems to have gone further than anyone else in this intercounty "new manager" model. Upto his appointment, Tyrone (Harte and Tally) Armagh (Kernan and Grimley) Kerry (O'Connor and Finnegan) seemed to be the front runners in creating a new job description for an Inter county manager. They abdicated responsibility for fitness and basic coaching and involved most of their time in strategy, managing resource, PR, pyschology etc. Even the great Micko has been doing likewise over the last 5 or so years with Arthur French. But Gilroy's appointment went a step further. Pat Gilroy is a very successful Chief Executive of the Irish division of a French Multinational. He should not have the spare time to manage any county team let alone Dublin. But he brings a professionalism and strategy to the role. His sole task is to allocate resource and identify need and determine strategy. He has replicated his model for business success to the dressing room. He is most definitely not working out drills!!
We need to read the writing on the wall. We need to embrace the professional business like approaches to management and organisational development and motivation. Simply appointing an ex manager or ex player is not enough. ...
.................
Yesterday did not help your case much here. That "model" has yet to be proven. Business managerial skills may be a good asset, but An Bainisteoir needs to know quite a lot about football too!
Joe Kernan has been approached.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 08, 2009, 10:54:53 AM
Joe Kernan has been approached.
It's true! Negotiations broke down when the County Board couldn't meet his food demands.
Heard Mickey Morans name mentioned for the Down job over the weekend, slightly more credible than Big Joe, but I would seriously doubt it.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on August 09, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
Heard Mickey Morans name mentioned for the Down job over the weekend, slightly more credible than Big Joe, but I would seriously doubt it.
You never know, he is a bit of a journey man.
I thought he committed himself to Laythrum for another year?
Quote from: Trevor Hill on August 09, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
Heard Mickey Morans name mentioned for the Down job over the weekend, slightly more credible than Big Joe, but I would seriously doubt it.
And John Morrison AAGGGHAAAAA!!!!! ;D
Also as a Tyrone man I was wondering what anyone from Derry could teach Down about football
Quote from: umpire on August 10, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Just home this evening from a week hols abroad, lots of surprises in weekend championships
With 4 more games still to be decided and will be added on this prediction league.
1 13 Bacon
2 13 bridgegael
3 12 DownFanatic
4 12 Dubh driocht
5 12 dunrumite
6 12 fred the ref
7 12 general
8 12 goalswingames
9 12 Irelands32
10 12 Johnnie99
11 12 Leo
12 12 minus15
13 12 True Blue
14 12 western exile
15 11 An Cloch Scoilte
16 11 Blue Island
17 11 Bredaghgael86
18 11 BRIDGE LAD
19 11 Cloneman
20 11 D45
21 11 Down6061689194
22 11 eyeswideopen
23 11 Green + Gold
24 11 meatsy86
25 11 Mid Down Gael
26 11 mourenrambler
27 11 Mourne Rover
28 11 Niall Quinn
29 11 off the laces
30 11 souljaboy
31 11 southdown
32 11 Square Ball
33 11 T O Hare
34 11 Umpire
35 11 wobbller
36 10 Bitta-Banter
37 10 Fitroyalty
38 10 Islandboy
39 10 marsbarkid
40 10 NO1
41 10 The Worker
42 10 TheClutch
43 10 thewobbler
44 10 too long ref
45 9 behind the wire
46 9 centre 3/4s
47 9 dundroma
48 9 Fender
49 9 goldenyears
50 9 lfdown2
51 9 miss mess
52 9 Statto-gael
53 9 Trevor Hill
54 9 waitingforsam
55 8 amallon
56 8 Brick Tamlin
57 8 dodgy umpire
58 8 passedit
59 8 Supersub
Can we not do a competition similar to the Championship Prediction Table for who everyone thinks should be the new Manager?
Quote from: wobbller on August 11, 2009, 08:20:32 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 10, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Just home this evening from a week hols abroad, lots of surprises in weekend championships
With 4 more games still to be decided and will be added on this prediction league.
1 13 Bacon
2 13 bridgegael
3 12 DownFanatic
4 12 Dubh driocht
5 12 dunrumite
6 12 fred the ref
7 12 general
8 12 goalswingames
9 12 Irelands32
10 12 Johnnie99
11 12 Leo
12 12 minus15
13 12 True Blue
14 12 western exile
15 11 An Cloch Scoilte
16 11 Blue Island
17 11 Bredaghgael86
18 11 BRIDGE LAD
19 11 Cloneman
20 11 D45
21 11 Down6061689194
22 11 eyeswideopen
23 11 Green + Gold
24 11 meatsy86
25 11 Mid Down Gael
26 11 mourenrambler
27 11 Mourne Rover
28 11 Niall Quinn
29 11 off the laces
30 11 souljaboy
31 11 southdown
32 11 Square Ball
33 11 T O Hare
34 11 Umpire
35 11 wobbller
36 10 Bitta-Banter
37 10 Fitroyalty
38 10 Islandboy
39 10 marsbarkid
40 10 NO1
41 10 The Worker
42 10 TheClutch
43 10 thewobbler
44 10 too long ref
45 9 behind the wire
46 9 centre 3/4s
47 9 dundroma
48 9 Fender
49 9 goldenyears
50 9 lfdown2
51 9 miss mess
52 9 Statto-gael
53 9 Trevor Hill
54 9 waitingforsam
55 8 amallon
56 8 Brick Tamlin
57 8 dodgy umpire
58 8 passedit
59 8 Supersub
Can we not do a competition similar to the Championship Prediction Table for who everyone thinks should be the new Manager?
Eugene Mc Kenna.
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Does he want to stay on? There's a 5 man committee considering all the hurling mangers posts.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Does he want to stay on? There's a 5 man committee considering all the hurling mangers posts.
And who are they?
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Does he want to stay on? There's a 5 man committee considering all the hurling mangers posts.
And who are they?
Kevin Bell, Seamus Ennis, Gerry Mullan, Mickey Keenan & me.
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Does he want to stay on? There's a 5 man committee considering all the hurling mangers posts.
And who are they?
Kevin Bell, Seamus Ennis, Gerry Mullan, Mickey Keenan & me.
I trust some of you will take time to talk to some of the more considered of the playing panel.
Quote from: nearlymad on August 11, 2009, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 12:44:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 11, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
Can I add a few comments about jingo?? ;)
Does he want to stay on? There's a 5 man committee considering all the hurling mangers posts.
And who are they?
Kevin Bell, Seamus Ennis, Gerry Mullan, Mickey Keenan & me.
I trust some of you will take time to talk to some of the more considered of the playing panel.
So does Jingo want to continue next year?
There could be a return to the Safrons.
You can have Jingo but we'd like to keep Humpy please.
I harped on all year about players absent from Ross Carrs squad. They where Mickey Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan. These players where all outstanding over the weekend and looked better than many county players off 2008 and 2009. I hope they are all included whoever the new manager is because they are all in the top 30 players in Down. There were current county players who couldnt even start for their clubs.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 11, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
I harped on all year about players absent from Ross Carrs squad. They where Mickey Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan. These players where all outstanding over the weekend and looked better than many county players off 2008 and 2009. I hope they are all included whoever the new manager is because they are all in the top 30 players in Down. There were current county players who couldnt even start for their clubs.
Fill us in here,please.
Quote from: imagine on August 11, 2009, 10:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 11, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
I harped on all year about players absent from Ross Carrs squad. They where Mickey Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan. These players where all outstanding over the weekend and looked better than many county players off 2008 and 2009. I hope they are all included whoever the new manager is because they are all in the top 30 players in Down. There were current county players who couldnt even start for their clubs.
Fill us in here,please.
Colm Murney failed to make Rostrevor starting team. He was used as a sub and was injury free. Martin Cole was also replaced after being cleaned by John Fegan.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 12, 2009, 07:57:23 AM
Colm Murney failed to make Rostrevor starting team. He was used as a sub and was injury free. Martin Cole was also replaced after being cleaned by John Fegan.
Is Colm not recovering from an injury?
Quote from: Trevor Hill on August 17, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 12, 2009, 07:57:23 AM
Colm Murney failed to make Rostrevor starting team. He was used as a sub and was injury free. Martin Cole was also replaced after being cleaned by John Fegan.
Is Colm not recovering from an injury?
Nope. I was told by a Rostrevor gael that he was not seen to be good enough to make first 15. He did start the replay but failed to make an impression like the rest of the Rostrevor team. Murney has always struggled to nail a starting place for the reds.
The day the players start picking the Manager, will be a bad day for Down football
Some down players have expressed support for paddy tally (no sniggering) getting the job and rumour has it that tally is working hard to put a back room team together.
how many times have counties gone down the route of the fitness coach who doesn't know his place?
mickey moran
martin mcelkennan
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 19, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
Some down players have expressed support for paddy tally (no sniggering) getting the job and rumour has it that tally is working hard to put a back room team together.
how many times have counties gone down the route of the fitness coach who doesn't know his place?
I couldn't think of a single argument in favour of Paddy Tally becoming the manager of an inter-county football team. No doubt a brilliant coach / trainer, but I have seen no evidence to suggest that he would be a good manager. Players tend to like their coaches, especially the forward thinking creative types, which Tally is, as long as they stay as coaches and don't start picking the team. Once a guy gets the power to pick the team, automatically he is a bollix to 15 of his panel of 30 every week. At this point in time Down can not afford to be taking long-shots on managers, they need one with a proven track record of managing at inter-county level.
It's a stretch to call tally a coach too. His university managing days suggest that man management and coaching the game are two fcets in which he does not excel. innovative and talented in all facets of training and physically preparing a team, yes. a good coach? no.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 19, 2009, 08:14:33 PM
The day the players start picking the Manager, will be a bad day for Down football
Couldnt agree more .
Heard that Pete McGrath is very interested in the Armagh job.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 20, 2009, 02:01:10 PM
Heard that Pete McGrath is very interested in the Armagh job.
Here's hoping ;)
Heres hoping that he wont lower himself.
not a chance he'd get it
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 20, 2009, 02:35:15 PM
not a chance he'd get it
Dead right he'd be overqualified..................
That and two other things....
he's a down man
influential people in armagh have played under him before
will down go for insider or outsider? what are the possible options from outside the county?
Tally has put himself forward with Brian McIver as part of back room staff
picked up a vibe from the derry thread that wee James has packed it in at Ballinderry after last nights defeat to Glenulan in Derry SFC Quarter finals . . . .
Maybe paving the path ?
Isn't he on the Tally ticket?
could be alright....
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2009, 09:28:56 AM
Isn't he on the Tally ticket?
Couldn't see that? Sure McCartan regularly out witted and performed tally in their university days?
I thought he was part of that team - could be wrong
I would have thought that it possibly could be a four way
Pete McGrath / Mickey Linden
Wee James McCartan
Mark Turley
Tally / McIver
Does anyone know if all of the above have confirmed their interest or not? Or if anyone has applied?
you can take Turleys name out of the hat.....
Quote from: waitingforsam on August 24, 2009, 07:14:46 PM
you can take Turleys name out of the hat.....
Why? Because you know for sure that he is not interested? Or is it just wishful thinking on your behalf?
A lots is been made of Corks u21 recent success after yesterdays win .Down have produced some very good u21 teams and indeed this year looked to have the title in the bag is it likely to be some of the underage mgt teams of recent years ?
Quote from: johnpower on August 24, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
A lots is been made of Corks u21 recent success after yesterdays win .Down have produced some very good u21 teams and indeed this year looked to have the title in the bag is it likely to be some of the underage mgt teams of recent years ?
That is a bit of a loaded question as Pete McGrath is responsible for the recent success of the U21 8)
Does Jim McCorry come into the reckoning now?
Jingo's still in a job as far as I know.
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
No matter who the selection committe decide upon, the county board (the clubs) will a vote to approve to veto the appointment.
I've no reason to believe this and it's nothing against Mark Turley, but I could imagine the clubs vetoing his name if if was proposed. Just a feeling I have.
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
I still have a lot of friends over there involved in Rules who say a few Irish lads will be home this year. Not necessarily Clarke. I'd be surprsied if he didn't give it another 12 months after his first season. Always got the impression from Clarke though that playing for Down meant more to him than anything else.
Some coup for Down if it did happen- could reignite football in the county.
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Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
I still have a lot of friends over there involved in Rules who say a few Irish lads will be home this year. Not necessarily Clarke. I'd be surprsied if he didn't give it another 12 months after his first season. Always got the impression from Clarke though that playing for Down meant more to him than anything else.
Some coup for Down if it did happen- could reignite football in the county.
I remember Tadgh Kennelly making similar shapes early in this career with Sydney Swans. It resulted in a much improved contract for him.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
Some boost for Dwon if he did come home. Would make the new manager smile broadly if he were available.
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 03:05:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
I still have a lot of friends over there involved in Rules who say a few Irish lads will be home this year. Not necessarily Clarke. I'd be surprsied if he didn't give it another 12 months after his first season. Always got the impression from Clarke though that playing for Down meant more to him than anything else.
Some coup for Down if it did happen- could reignite football in the county.
I remember Tadgh Kennelly making similar shapes early in this career with Sydney Swans. It resulted in a much improved contract for him.
Very accurate there from the Irish news, with James Colgan being captain ;D
Surely with another year remaining on his contract he couldn't just up and leave?
Two former players have been approached to give Tally's backroom team a bit of a Down flavour
Quote from: wobbller on August 25, 2009, 10:19:02 PM
Two former players have been approached to give Tally's backroom team a bit of a Down flavour
Ross & DJ ;)
what thefuck has marty clarke got to do with finding a new manager?
Quote from: BaileChoinnleoraPlayer on August 26, 2009, 03:53:04 AM
what thefuck has marty clarke got to do with finding a new manager?
Something along the lines of the fact that he would be an asset for the incoming Manager,
maybe helping his brother John back into the squad, improve Down as a team.etc,etc
Do you need any more explanation?
Quote from: BaileChoinnleoraPlayer on August 26, 2009, 03:53:04 AM
what thefuck has marty clarke got to do with finding a new manager?
It didn't take long for you to show your true Ballykinlar class BCP ;D
Paul Carroll
Quote from: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 03:05:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
I still have a lot of friends over there involved in Rules who say a few Irish lads will be home this year. Not necessarily Clarke. I'd be surprsied if he didn't give it another 12 months after his first season. Always got the impression from Clarke though that playing for Down meant more to him than anything else.
Some coup for Down if it did happen- could reignite football in the county.
I remember Tadgh Kennelly making similar shapes early in this career with Sydney Swans. It resulted in a much improved contract for him.
Very accurate there from the Irish news, with James Colgan being captain ;D
Surely with another year remaining on his contract he couldn't just up and leave?
Hoganstand said he was the captain, not the Irish News
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on August 26, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 03:05:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 25, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Speculation is mounting that Aussie Rules star Martin Clarke is on the verge of making a permanent return to Ireland.
After making a huge impact in his first two seasons in the AFL, the 2005 Down All-Ireland minor winning captain has had a disappointing season with Collingwood, making only 12 appearances for the senior side and has been featuring for the second string in the Victorian League.
The Irish News reports that the 22-year-old's dip in form, coupled with homesickness, has left him seriously considering his options. And while he is unlikely to make any decision on his future until the AFL season finishes on September 26, there is already speculation that he could be seen in the Down colours next year.
If Clarke does decide to return home, it would soften the blow of the imminent departure of rising Down star Jamie O'Reilly, who is poised to join the Richmond Tigers as their first ever Irish recruit.
That is the operative word ;) The IN is not renowned for accurate reporting
I still have a lot of friends over there involved in Rules who say a few Irish lads will be home this year. Not necessarily Clarke. I'd be surprsied if he didn't give it another 12 months after his first season. Always got the impression from Clarke though that playing for Down meant more to him than anything else.
Some coup for Down if it did happen- could reignite football in the county.
I remember Tadgh Kennelly making similar shapes early in this career with Sydney Swans. It resulted in a much improved contract for him.
Very accurate there from the Irish news, with James Colgan being captain ;D
Surely with another year remaining on his contract he couldn't just up and leave?
Hoganstand said he was the captain, not the Irish News
My mistake sorry
I don't know much about Paddy Tally other than players generally like him as an innovative trainer.
Whetehr that qualifies him to become a county manager is another matter.
My main concern would be that he is too closely aligned to the outgoing management when a clean start is surely in the interests of the county.
There is no outstanding candidste in the county but I would not be opposed to wee James if he could put a solid backroom team together.
I don't think Tally will get it - whether the players or not want him - don't think Down would go for an outsider
McGrath 'might' be good choice - but is it a step backwards?
McCartan could be the option if the backroom team is correct - in other words an older more experienced man alongside him
Long term McCartan would be the best choice I think
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 10:27:26 AM
I don't think Tally will get it - whether the players or not want him - don't think Down would go for an outsider
McGrath 'might' be good choice - but is it a step backwards?
McCartan could be the option if the backroom team is correct - in other words an older more experienced man alongside him
Long term McCartan would be the best choice I think
Ask yourself which one is cheapest and therein lies the answer.
It's hardly McGrath, McCartan or Tally then
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 10:43:14 AM
It's hardly McGrath, McCartan or Tally then
Frank Dawson then? ;D
Some County Boards are keen to splash the cash, Down mustn't be!
Maybe Ross and DJ are the best option for them
Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm
new Down manager ? Does it matter
Asking a serious question, should the players not have a voice in this decision?
Not a vote but a voice.
No matter who comes in, 18+ of last year's squad will be returning. Appointing someone who these players don't want would just be illogical, especially if their case is a solid one.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
Asking a serious question, should the players not have a voice in this decision?
Not a vote but a voice.
No matter who comes in, 18+ of last year's squad will be returning. Appointing someone who these players don't want would just be illogical, especially if their case is a solid one.
Who are you thinking of?
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
Just spoke to Frank Dawson while pickin the wee lad up from school. Sadly not very informative. I got a no comment when I tried the direct approach. Suppose it means he isnt completely ruling it out though
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 10:51:54 AM
Some County Boards are keen to splash the cash, Down mustn't be!
Maybe Ross and DJ are the best option for them
Have you not been following the Ross Carr saga? He was stood down after his three year stint
and after asking for another year it was turned down by a 4 to 1 majority
Stupid me.
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
They must been asked in some shape or form or let their feelings be known that thet really do want McGrath.
I thought they wanted Tally?
What about McCartan?
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
If players have an opinion then they should voice it through their clubs once the shortlist is known.
I'm not a great believer in these quasi players groups having a say as they are always railroaded by the more vocal of the team and that isn't necessarily a good thing.
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
They must been asked in some shape or form or let their feelings be known that thet really do want McGrath.
I thought they wanted Tally?
What about McCartan?
Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm
;D ;D
If we really are interested in Wee James, we should offer him the position now. With Grimley now away to Monaghan, I'd imagine Armagh will be examining his case very closely. And their County Board will spend the necessary.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
If we really are interested in Wee James, we should offer him the position now. With Grimley now away to Monaghan, I'd imagine Armagh will be examining his case very closely. And their County Board will spend the necessary.
Don't worry - there's bound to be another Armagh man wanting out of the county!!
Quote from: rosskarr on September 01, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 01, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
If players have an opinion then they should voice it through their clubs once the shortlist is known.
I'm not a great believer in these quasi players groups having a say as they are always railroaded by the more vocal of the team and that isn't necessarily a good thing.
Can you let us all know when the you have the names on the shortlist.
I can only but assume that the five man committee set up the to review football management the will draw up a shortlist of the willing the candidates.
what price is mc cartan to be the next armagh manager
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
If we really are interested in Wee James, we should offer him the position now. With Grimley now away to Monaghan, I'd imagine Armagh will be examining his case very closely. And their County Board will spend the necessary.
What makes you say that wobbler?
Not sure McCartan would be interested taking the Armagh job on his own and I wouldn't be certain our county baord would contemplate appointing a Down man.
Would taking the Armagh job affect McCartan's chances of being the Down manager at a later date? Didn't stop the Mayo lads welcoming O'Mahony back I suppose.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 02, 2009, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
If we really are interested in Wee James, we should offer him the position now. With Grimley now away to Monaghan, I'd imagine Armagh will be examining his case very closely. And their County Board will spend the necessary.
What makes you say that wobbler?
Not sure McCartan would be interested taking the Armagh job on his own and I wouldn't be certain our county baord would contemplate appointing a Down man.
Would taking the Armagh job affect McCartan's chances of being the Down manager at a later date? Didn't stop the Mayo lads welcoming O'Mahony back I suppose.
Well he had Aidan O'Rourke with him at Queens, so maybe that'll be the new management team. ;D
Quote from: Fear Boirche on September 02, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 02, 2009, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
If we really are interested in Wee James, we should offer him the position now. With Grimley now away to Monaghan, I'd imagine Armagh will be examining his case very closely. And their County Board will spend the necessary.
What makes you say that wobbler?
Not sure McCartan would be interested taking the Armagh job on his own and I wouldn't be certain our county baord would contemplate appointing a Down man.
Would taking the Armagh job affect McCartan's chances of being the Down manager at a later date? Didn't stop the Mayo lads welcoming O'Mahony back I suppose.
Well he had Aidan O'Rourke with him at Queens, so maybe that'll be the new management team. ;D
I would nearly rather have MH than a down man at the helm of armagh. I will be happy with an outsider as long as they are not from either Down or Tyrone, in that order. Cant trust the hoors at the best of times. ::)
Fantastic to see this has turned into yet another Our Ma thread. The hoors think the world revolves around them. ::)
Could they not just leave us to our own wretched situation?
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
Fantastic to see this has turned into yet another Our Ma thread. The hoors think the world revolves around them. ::)
Could they not just leave us to our own wretched situation?
If you could stop your former players showing interst in our wretched situation we would be happy not to hijack your wee thread. :-\
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
Fantastic to see this has turned into yet another Our Ma thread. The hoors think the world revolves around them. ::)
Could they not just leave us to our own wretched situation?
Have a quick look there to see who brought Armagh into the conversation. Good man.
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
They must been asked in some shape or form or let their feelings be known that thet really do want McGrath.
I thought they wanted Tally?
What about McCartan?
Would a Tally - McCartan pairing be considered?
Butterknife has been for a run round the Mournes.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 12:53:43 PM
Asking a serious question, should the players not have a voice in this decision?
Not a vote but a voice.
No matter who comes in, 18+ of last year's squad will be returning. Appointing someone who these players don't want would just be illogical, especially if their case is a solid one.
Only if they dont want Pete.
mc grath is not a shoo in yet :-X
McGrath could be in the frame for Louth and Armagh also although he shouldn't touch Armagh as they're
making a laughing stock of themselves similar to Donegal last year.It says something about Pete that if he were get any
of these jobs it wouldn't be a surprise.
It must be Pete orTally.Dawson and Turley maybe as outside bets and as the Irish News reckoned James Mc Cartan is not interested any longer,its probably a two horse race.
I wish the county Board would put us out of our misery soon.
Mcrath is my choice by a mile, actually excited by the prospect.
honestly think mcgrath would not be the right appointement, an old school manager with a 'we will outscore the opposition' attitude (which is ideal for the more open u21 football) also with a number of players still there from his last stint when things went stale dont believe he would have the full confidence of the squad
Interviews were held on Monday night, anyone hear anything as to how they went?
Quote from: rosskarr on September 09, 2009, 08:42:43 AM
McGrath could be in the frame for Louth and Armagh also although he shouldn't touch Armagh as they're
making a laughing stock of themselves similar to Donegal last year.It says something about Pete that if he were get any
of these jobs it wouldn't be a surprise.
The way this as has been handled I do not think we are in a position to point the finger at any other county in terms of " laughing stocks". we do not need any help in that regard
Quote from: wobbller on September 09, 2009, 09:07:21 AM
It must be Pete orTally.Dawson and Turley maybe as outside bets and as the Irish News reckoned James Mc Cartan is not interested any longer,its probably a two horse race.
I wish the county Board would put us out of our misery soon.
I didn't see the Irish News, so what did it say? Maybe he would step aside if McGrath was in the running, but I would have thought he would have no bother going up against any of the other candidates.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 09, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
Interviews were held on Monday night, anyone hear anything as to how they went?
heard Wee James was ispoken to on tuesday morning, no details of the outcome
Pete's job. Deal near done.
Tally, Dawson and McCartan were the other three in the frame with the latter stating his non interest last week.
Dawson's interest increased when he heard that McGrath would not do an interview. However, that was ironed out and now wee Pete looks set for a second stint in charge.
Is it not his third time?
Quote from: Logan on September 09, 2009, 05:59:59 PM
Is it not his third time?
I thought that too, he stuck around far too long the first time, he resigned ;) and then came back for a spell that was blessedly unproductive. This is great if it happens, couldnt be happier for our northern cousins. ;D
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 09, 2009, 12:14:29 PM
, an old school manager with a 'we will outscore the opposition' attitude
Last time I checked that was how the winners of a game are decided. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 09, 2009, 12:14:29 PM
, an old school manager with a 'we will outscore the opposition' attitude
Last time I checked that was how the winners of a game are decided. ;)
Tough to do tho what with nordie teams stifling blankey defense. ;)
Can't see Tally getting it. I think Mc Iver as maanger and Tally as trainer would have been more attractive to Down CB.
Well whoever gets it,it'll be better than the circus that is Armagh. :D :D :D
Quote from: rosskarr on September 10, 2009, 12:23:37 PM
Well whoever gets it,it'll be better than the circus that is Armagh. :D :D :D
Perhaps he will make sure that they put the right colour of diesel in the team bus. :) :) :)
Quote from: rosskarr on September 10, 2009, 12:23:37 PM
Well whoever gets it,it'll be better than the circus that is Armagh. :D :D :D
I would hold my breath about circuses until we see who is appointed.
Quote from: rosskarr on September 10, 2009, 12:23:37 PM
Well whoever gets it,it'll be better than the circus that is Armagh. :D :D :D
Talking of a circus is Ross still going to court ;)
Both CB's seem to be as bad/inept as each other
You heard it here first, We James has it with Tally & McIvor as Coaches.
yip, just heard the same
Where is this information coming from lads? is this gospel?
Yip. Seems the football manger has been sorted and they're now looking for hurling managers.
"The Sub Committee appointed to bring forward nominations to County Committee in relation to Managements for the County Hurling Teams have asked that Clubs make suggestions of people who may be interested in the following posts, Senior , An Dun Theas, Under 21 and Minor."
This mornings Irish News confirms that the management team off McCartan, McIver and Tally are on the brink.
Im saying it confirms what GOH4205, Duffleking and lecale2 have been saying on the thread and what headline is in Irish News. If i knew for sure it was true i would have said its official so no need to be so smart.
Quote from: naka on September 08, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
mc grath is not a shoo in yet :-X
do i get a scoop ;)
From Hoganstand..
Wee James to be ratified tonight?
11 September 2009
Word on the grapevine has it that James McCartan will be named as Down senior football manager later on today (Friday).
A County Board meeting has been scheduled for tonight and the All-Ireland winner is expected to be ratified as new Mourne County boss, with Brian McIver and Paddy Talty as selectors.
Legendary former manager Pete McGrath - who managed Wee James and co. to Sam Maguire glory in 1991 and '94 - is also believed to be in the running.
However, McCartan is now being touted in the media as the man who'll be handed the reins.
Quote from: goh4205 on September 10, 2009, 09:53:18 PM
You heard it here first, We James has it with Tally & McIvor as Coaches.
I think Wee James is the right man for the job. Hopefully we can now have everyone on the panel that should be on the panel and the rest of the county can get behind the team again.
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
sure the management team always gets the blame it will be no different this time down just dont hav the players yet too young
Quote from: topgun on September 11, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
sure the management team always gets the blame it will be no different this time down just dont hav the players yet too young
Well done to the five committee leaking the story before the nominees were told - wonder which one done that? ???
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
My only concern is James' lack of inter-county experience, but then he does have 2 good men with him.
Dan for Captain, Eoin Vice-Captain? ;)
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 11, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
The money is coming from a new sponsorship deal with MacDonalds.
Selection panel had their meetinhg there last night and asked for a Big Mac a Wee Mac and a Tally of what they owed.
Quote from: Leo on September 11, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 11, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
The money is coming from a new sponsorship deal with MacDonalds.
Selection panel had their meetinhg there last night and asked for a Big Mac a Wee Mac and a Tally of what they owed.
You'll be giving the Co Board ideas with that one!!
Quote from: norabeag on September 11, 2009, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 11, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 11, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
The money is coming from a new sponsorship deal with MacDonalds.
Selection panel had their meetinhg there last night and asked for a Big Mac a Wee Mac and a Tally of what they owed.
You'll be giving the Co Board ideas with that one!!
Sure their heads are fried!
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 11, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: topgun on September 11, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
sure the management team always gets the blame it will be no different this time down just dont hav the players yet too young
Well done to the five committee leaking the story before the nominees were told - wonder which one done that? ???
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
I'm in agreement with spirit on this one, I think it's a disgrace that it's being broadcast on the airwaves & other media outlets that this is a done deal!
It's quite obvious that someone in a position they shouldn't be in (after hearing this in the media this is my view) has leaked this to the media.
If the clubs don't give it the backing tonight we as a county are going to once again look stupid.
Quote from: mournerambler on September 11, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 11, 2009, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: topgun on September 11, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
sure the management team always gets the blame it will be no different this time down just dont hav the players yet too young
Well done to the five committee leaking the story before the nominees were told - wonder which one done that? ???
Where is the money coming from for this team? ???
I'm in agreement with spirit on this one, I think it's a disgrace that it's being broadcast on the airwaves & other media outlets that this is a done deal!
It's quite obvious that someone in a position they shouldn't be in (after hearing this in the media this is my view) has leaked this to the media.
If the clubs don't give it the backing tonight we as a county are going to once again look stupid.
Will the clubs back it tonight???? A lot of clubs were looking wee Pete and will be asking questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from Hogan stand, heres a surprize ;D
McCartan appointed Down boss
New Down football manager James McCartan
11 September 2009
The Down County Board have confirmed James McCartan as the new manager of the county's senior football team.
The appointment, for a three-year term, was ratified at a meeting of the County Committee earlier this evening with the new manager's backroom team including Paddy Tally and Brian McIver.
McCartan won All-Ireland senior football medals in 1991 and 1994, as well as two All Stars and an All-Ireland minor title. He also represented Ireland in International Rules in 1990.
Since his retirement from playing he has managed Queen's University to Sigerson Cup success in 2007, his own club Burren to a league title in 2005, Antrim club St Gall's to a county senior championship in 2008 and most recently he has been at the helm at Derry club Ballinderry.
Paddy Tally was the trainer of Tyrone during their All-Ireland and NFL winning season in 2003. He has coached St Mary's University College and was the Down senior football trainer during the past season.
Brian McIver managed Ballinderry to the 2002 Ulster and All-Ireland Club titles and Donegal to the National Football League in 2007.
Right decision in my opinion given where we are.
Might be getting ahead of myself, but I think I can already predict who the next five Down managers will be:
Mickey Linden, Greg Blaney, Gary Mason, Eamonn Burns, Neil Collins......
Good appointment
Bit of a kick in the stones for Tally - not the main job he wanted
McIvor is a good man to have
Quote from: goh4205 on September 10, 2009, 09:53:18 PM
You heard it here first, We James has it with Tally & McIvor as Coaches.
Only, of course, if you didn't read it here first.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 02, 2009, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: Logan on September 01, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: interested on September 01, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Nobody in particular Logan.
I don't even know if I agree with the idea at all, but it does seem a bit strange that the people most directly affected by an appointment have no grounds for opinion at all. I guess the same thing happens in all sports though.
They must been asked in some shape or form or let their feelings be known that thet really do want McGrath.
I thought they wanted Tally?
What about McCartan?
Would a Tally - McCartan pairing be considered?
Butterknife has been for a run round the Mournes.
In other news for goh4205.
Man walks on moon.
President Kennedy shot.
World War II ends.
One legged duck swims in circles.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on September 11, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
Might be getting ahead of myself, but I think I can already predict who the next five Down managers will be:
Mickey Linden, Greg Blaney, Gary Mason, Eamonn Burns, Neil Collins......
and dont forget Gerard Colgan. he has led an average Loughinisland team to back to back championship finals.
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 11, 2009, 08:40:08 PM
Right decision in my opinion given where we are.
Yeah agree with this management team. Hope they do a good job and I wish them well.
A missed opportunity to deal with the root cause of Down's problems. I loved the Wee Man as a player but remain unconvinced about his managerial ability. To me this appointment signals the continuance of the incestuous 'Newry' based and therefore, myopic, approach to team selection. Is will just keep us where we are. Selection will likely continue to be biased in favour of certain clubs, leagues, and schools limiting the Co Team's potential.
Why can't learn from Tyrone's example when it comes to finding and developng real talent within the Co. In Tyrone club, league, reigion and school/Uni attendied isn't a an important factor?
This Newry/South Dowm clique will be broken sooner or later but seems this opportunity has passed us by this time.
Tally should have got the job with, perhaps, We James assisting.
Nevertheless, I wish them well and hope I am wrong.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 11, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
A missed opportunity to deal with the root cause of Down's problems. I loved the Wee Man as a player but remain unconvinced about his managerial ability. To me this appointment signals the continuance of the incestuous 'Newry' based and therefore, myopic, approach to team selection. Is will just keep us where we are. Selection will likely continue to be biased in favour of certain clubs, leagues, and schools limiting the Co Team's potential.
Why can't learn from Tyrone's example when it comes to finding and developng real talent within the Co. In Tyrone club, league, reigion and school/Uni attendied isn't a an important factor?
This Newry/South Dowm clique will be broken sooner or later but seems this opportunity has passed us by this time.
Tally should have got the job with, perhaps, We James assisting.
Nevertheless, I wish them well and hope I am wrong.
Can't agree with that!
Tally is a trainer - why would you let him manage?
That's like asking a horse to be a jockey - same sport two completely different jobs
I had a suspicion Aidan O'Rourke might be on the McCartan ticket but unfounded
Good luck to wee James with the Down job and thanks for for the work with us. Luck wasn't with us this year. You have a good partner in Brian.
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
How can you say that when the outgoing team was sacked because'things went wrong again'?
This is an interesting trio. Of the three, Mc Iver is the tried and tested manager. Tally is a trainer, James will give it loads , like his cousin DJ, and will upset some along the way but you can't argue with his determination to achieve at the highest level. Hope he doesn't involve his extended family , interesting times ahead !
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 11, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
A missed opportunity to deal with the root cause of Down's problems. I loved the Wee Man as a player but remain unconvinced about his managerial ability. To me this appointment signals the continuance of the incestuous 'Newry' based and therefore, myopic, approach to team selection. Is will just keep us where we are. Selection will likely continue to be biased in favour of certain clubs, leagues, and schools limiting the Co Team's potential.
Why can't learn from Tyrone's example when it comes to finding and developng real talent within the Co. In Tyrone club, league, reigion and school/Uni attendied isn't a an important factor?
This Newry/South Dowm clique will be broken sooner or later but seems this opportunity has passed us by this time.
Tally should have got the job with, perhaps, We James assisting.
Nevertheless, I wish them well and hope I am wrong.
Yawn Yawn as regard your S/E Down rant and how would Tally help in this imaginary issue you have?Also tell me someone from ED who
wasn't on that Down panel that should have been?
Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
im with the wobbler on this one zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: topgun on September 11, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:03:40 PM
Mc Cartan, Tally and Mc Iver will form a great team - it won't be their fault if things go wrong again.
sure the management team always gets the blame it will be no different this time down just dont hav the players yet too young
Fu*c off back to the armagh thread - please
Think these appointments are a massive mistake, forsee lots of fines in future. When will we learn that the pedigree required from a great player is totally different to that required of a great manager, and only on rare occasions, will you find both qualities in an individual. Having observed James closely on the sideline, i would query his temperament and Man management skills. Hope he proves me wrong, in the meantime all concerned will have my full support
Quote from: Pangurban on September 12, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Think these appointments are a massive mistake, forsee lots of fines in future. When will we learn that the pedigree required from a great player is totally different to that required of a great manager, and only on rare occasions, will you find both qualities in an individual. Having observed James closely on the sideline, i would query his temperament and Man management skills. Hope he proves me wrong, in the meantime all concerned will have my full support
Thank you God for this appointment, it will be a disaster and keep down where they belong, in the doldrums. ;D
Quote from: Pangurban on September 12, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Think these appointments are a massive mistake, forsee lots of fines in future. When will we learn that the pedigree required from a great player is totally different to that required of a great manager, and only on rare occasions, will you find both qualities in an individual. Having observed James closely on the sideline, i would query his temperament and Man management skills. Hope he proves me wrong, in the meantime all concerned will have my full support
Totally agree the man was a great player bt has nt proven himself at management enough to get a position like this. He has been manager of a good burren team and a very good ballinderry team and made a dogs arse of them both.. plus he is an arrogant wee shite!!!
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 12, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Think these appointments are a massive mistake, forsee lots of fines in future. When will we learn that the pedigree required from a great player is totally different to that required of a great manager, and only on rare occasions, will you find both qualities in an individual. Having observed James closely on the sideline, i would query his temperament and Man management skills. Hope he proves me wrong, in the meantime all concerned will have my full support
Thank you God for this appointment, it will be a disaster and keep down where they belong, in the doldrums. ;D
Prat..
Lads give the man a chance. Pangurban why have a good rant first then pledge your support? Why not just pledge your support.
Quote from: centre 3/4s on September 12, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 12, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Think these appointments are a massive mistake, forsee lots of fines in future. When will we learn that the pedigree required from a great player is totally different to that required of a great manager, and only on rare occasions, will you find both qualities in an individual. Having observed James closely on the sideline, i would query his temperament and Man management skills. Hope he proves me wrong, in the meantime all concerned will have my full support
Totally agree the man was a great player bt has nt proven himself at management enough to get a position like this. He has been manager of a good burren team and a very good ballinderry team and made a dogs arse of them both.. plus he is an arrogant wee shite!!!
To be fair to James he did very very well with Queens' during his time there.
Quote from: dundrumite on September 12, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
Pangurban why have a good rant first then pledge your support? Why not just pledge your support.
My thoughts exactly.
Whatever experience Wee James may lack at intercounty level will be more than compensated by the inclusion of McIver and Tally. There is no better football stock in the county than the McCartans. Its time to stop bickering and get behind the team and the management again. This should be a clean slate for Down football.
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Thank you God for this appointment, it will be a disaster and keep down where they belong, in the doldrums. ;D
Big Joe was interviewed for the Down job, but he could only promise us one All Ireland so he wasnt really a contender. ;)
Is there not a management crisis in the orange county to keep you occupied, or has Hughie sold enough dodgy diesel to pay Grimleys expenses yet? Just shows where Grimleys loyalty is. :D :D :D
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 12, 2009, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Thank you God for this appointment, it will be a disaster and keep down where they belong, in the doldrums. ;D
Big Joe was interviewed for the Down job, but he could only promise us one All Ireland so he wasnt really a contender. ;)
Is there not a management crisis in the orange county to keep you occupied, or has Hughie sold enough dodgy diesel to pay Grimleys expenses yet? Just shows where Grimleys loyalty is. :D :D :D
What has Grimleys loyalty, big joe or hughies dodgy diesel sales got to do with the fact that Down have once again taken a managerial muppet to head them up? ???
Wee james will end up living in a Caravan in crossmaglen instead of Burren after another three years of Down championship ineptitude. ;D
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 12, 2009, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 06:31:01 PM
Thank you God for this appointment, it will be a disaster and keep down where they belong, in the doldrums. ;D
Big Joe was interviewed for the Down job, but he could only promise us one All Ireland so he wasnt really a contender. ;)
Is there not a management crisis in the orange county to keep you occupied, or has Hughie sold enough dodgy diesel to pay Grimleys expenses yet? Just shows where Grimleys loyalty is. :D :D :D
What has Grimleys loyalty, big joe or hughies dodgy diesel sales got to do with the fact that Down have once again taken a managerial muppet to head them up? ???
Wee james will end up living in a Caravan in crossmaglen instead of Burren after another three years of Down championship ineptitude. ;D
Go and "stew" in your own mess in Armagh.
I havent commented much to date on this saga.....but I think James is in the same boat as Ross and DJ were....legendary footballers asked to manage 30+ average county footballers (with a couple of notable exceptions) without any experience of doing so before. Tally and McIver might help but we in Down expect results overnight...its not fair on the man in charge....maybe we havent got the stuff to deliver what we want.
Quote from: wobbller on September 12, 2009, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 11, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
A missed opportunity to deal with the root cause of Down's problems.
Yawn Yawn as regard your S/E Down rant and how would Tally help in this imaginary issue you have?Also tell me someone from ED who wasn't on that Down panel that should have been?
Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I am not asking you to agree with me, be bored by me (Mr Hyper Riveting) or any thing else for that matter.
My main and valid point is that Co Down is wastng its scarce resource by limiting itself to the formulae of not looking for talent beyond Div 1 and protegies of a favoured clubs, schools and Unis. I believe that this continuence of this conurbation of Newry biased clique simply means the trend will continue, mores the pity for the Co.
Look at Tyone for instance where the Co Champions do not have a single player on the Co Team. Players in lowly leagues make the team and they do not have elitist schools that walk their students onto Co Minor teams. Maybe there is something to be learned from that or maybe I'm just being silly and boring again.
You ask "tell me someone from ED who wasn't on that Down panel that should have been?" This would be pointless. If I suggested some names how could I expect you to know of them since they never get a chance of recognition within the present tried, tested and failed incestous system that has served us so pooly for the past 1 1/2 decades.
Look, I'm as Down as you are, maybe even more so, but this is my opinion on the Wee James appointment. An opinion I am entitled to it so please don't come on with the patrionics to me. I'm confident you are in no position to do so. Enjoy your weekend, I will mine.
I don't think anyone is suggesting McCartan has years of high level experience but I think even he knows that and Tally and McIvor will bring that to the party so I think it's a pretty nice package.
Better than most and the least they deserve is time by everyone!
The talk last week was that McGrath was nailed on for this job. Big u-turn for the county board. Decision was probably based around the fact that McGrath was reluctant to do an interview.
Wee James is a very interesting choice. Obviously he doesn't have intercounty managerial experience and thats why McIver has been brought in. Thats where the key to this appointment lies. McIver has a decent track record and was highly rated by the players in Donegal. Id say he will have a bigger say in matters than most people think.
People may disagree but id say that our county panel is in for a big shakeup in terms of personnel this coming year.
Interesting comparison
Down - McGrath doesn't want to do an interview - Down don't bend
Armagh - Grimley doesn't want to do an interview - Armagh still try to get him and fumble-
Quote from: JMohan on September 13, 2009, 02:04:18 PM
Interesting comparison
Down - McGrath doesn't want to do an interview - Down don't bend
Armagh - Grimley doesn't want to do an interview - Armagh still try to get him and fumble-
In fairness the criticism the armagh county board was what made them bend. In my view they did all they could.
Excellent coup by Down- thats a really strong management team. Fair play to them.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 13, 2009, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: JMohan on September 13, 2009, 02:04:18 PM
Interesting comparison
Down - McGrath doesn't want to do an interview - Down don't bend
Armagh - Grimley doesn't want to do an interview - Armagh still try to get him and fumble-
In fairness the criticism the armagh county board was what made them bend. In my view they did all they could.
Excellent coup by Down- thats a really strong management team. Fair play to them.
You have to hand it to the Down CB to manage to get the Wee James camp to row in with Tally and then to get Tally to step down from wanting to be number one.
Good luck to James, Brian and Paddy for their entire term. I would like to have seen Peter McGrath involved, but I can also see the difficulties in bringing back a former manager. I look forward to Down fielding our strongest possible squad, and bringing in this year's u21s at the right time. However, it all boils down to Martin Clarke. Without him, a real breakthrough will be difficult. If he come home, better days lie ahead.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2009, 11:22:58 PM
Good luck to James, Brian and Paddy for their entire term. I would like to have seen Peter McGrath involved, but I can also see the difficulties in bringing back a former manager. I look forward to Down fielding our strongest possible squad, and bringing in this year's u21s at the right time. However, it all boils down to Martin Clarke. Without him, a real breakthrough will be difficult. If he come home, better days lie ahead.
How likely is this?? Is he really thinking about it??
When Clarke came home for his sister's wedding in July, he went training with An Riocht on his first night back. He is not usually in the Collingwood first team now, so he will pretty clearly look at his options. If the right course, or the right job, became available here, there is a realistic prospect that he would come back within the next year or so.
Quote from: wobbller on September 13, 2009, 11:09:43 PM
Quote from: Logan on September 13, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 13, 2009, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: JMohan on September 13, 2009, 02:04:18 PM
Interesting comparison
Down - McGrath doesn't want to do an interview - Down don't bend
Armagh - Grimley doesn't want to do an interview - Armagh still try to get him and fumble-
In fairness the criticism the armagh county board was what made them bend. In my view they did all they could.
Excellent coup by Down- thats a really strong management team. Fair play to them.
You have to hand it to the Down CB to manage to get the Wee James camp to row in with Tally and then to get Tally to step down from wanting to be number one.
Nothing to do with the CB ,it was a sub-committee who completed this task
Well done to them then!
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2009, 11:22:58 PM
Good luck to James, Brian and Paddy for their entire term. I would like to have seen Peter McGrath involved, but I can also see the difficulties in bringing back a former manager. I look forward to Down fielding our strongest possible squad, and bringing in this year's u21s at the right time. However, it all boils down to Martin Clarke. Without him, a real breakthrough will be difficult. If he come home, better days lie ahead.
To say it all boils down to one man is extreme
I wonder will Dan McCartan make the panel. In Burrens 3 games in the championship he was skinned by Murtagh, Hughes and Laverty.
Quote from: rosskarr on September 14, 2009, 08:24:19 AM
I wonder will Laverty make the panel also?
He has too. I know not the most popular but he is a great player. Has great a great brain and deserves to be on panel at least. Very unselfish player also.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 08:47:08 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on September 14, 2009, 08:24:19 AM
I wonder will Laverty make the panel also?
He has too. I know not the most popular but he is a great player. Has great a great brain and deserves to be on panel at least. Very unselfish player also.
He is no doubt a skillful player and after a ropey enough first half on Sunday he came into his own in 2nd half and was instrumental in the final result for Kilcoo but the doubts about size still are there, he is too small and lightweight for inter-county standard.
Quote from: Logan on September 14, 2009, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2009, 11:22:58 PM
Good luck to James, Brian and Paddy for their entire term. I would like to have seen Peter McGrath involved, but I can also see the difficulties in bringing back a former manager. I look forward to Down fielding our strongest possible squad, and bringing in this year's u21s at the right time. However, it all boils down to Martin Clarke. Without him, a real breakthrough will be difficult. If he come home, better days lie ahead.
To say it all boils down to one man is extreme
To say it all boils down to one man who has never played a senior county game is extreme madness.
Good luck to the two Macs and Tally.
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on September 14, 2009, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 08:47:08 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on September 14, 2009, 08:24:19 AM
I wonder will Laverty make the panel also?
He has too. I know not the most popular but he is a great player. Has great a great brain and deserves to be on panel at least. Very unselfish player also.
He is no doubt a skillful player and after a ropey enough first half on Sunday he came into his own in 2nd half and was instrumental in the final result for Kilcoo but the doubts about size still are there, he is too small and lightweight for inter-county standard.
If Down play the right ball in to him he is not too small. The Tyrone forward line is not that big.
Best wishes to the new management team. I'm 100% behind the choice. Down could be a different sort of team next year altogether.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 13, 2009, 02:18:30 PM
Excellent coup by Down- thats a really strong management team. Fair play to them.
Have to agree with Indiana. Think this could be the start of the road back for us.
Quote from: wobbller on September 13, 2009, 12:56:56 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 13, 2009, 12:09:57 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 12, 2009, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 11, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
A missed opportunity to deal with the root cause of Down's problems.
Yawn Yawn as regard your S/E Down rant and how would Tally help in this imaginary issue you have?Also tell me someone from ED who wasn't on that Down panel that should have been?
Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I am not asking you to agree with me, be bored by me (Mr Hyper Riveting) or any thing else for that matter.
My main and valid point is that Co Down is wastng its scarce resource by limiting itself to the formulae of not looking for talent beyond Div 1 and protegies of a favoured clubs, schools and Unis. I believe that this continuence of this conurbation of Newry biased clique simply means the trend will continue, mores the pity for the Co.
Look at Tyone for instance where the Co Champions do not have a single player on the Co Team. Players in lowly leagues make the team and they do not have elitist schools that walk their students onto Co Minor teams. Maybe there is something to be learned from that or maybe I'm just being silly and boring again.
You ask "tell me someone from ED who wasn't on that Down panel that should have been?" This would be pointless. If I suggested some names how could I expect you to know of them since they never get a chance of recognition within the present tried, tested and failed incestous system that has served us so pooly for the past 1 1/2 decades.
Look, I'm as Down as you are, maybe even more so, but this is my opinion on the Wee James appointment. An opinion I am entitled to it so please don't come on with the patrionics to me. I'm confident you are in no position to do so. Enjoy your weekend, I will mine.
Who would you have from East Down who was not on the panel previously and who would you have Manager if it wasn't James Mc Cartan? I'm presuming you haven't been at too many matches other than your own Club's.
Answer the questions and perhaps I could agree but in the absence of names your arguement is non-existent.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!
An East Down chip on the shoulder rant
As an East Down man,I think it is ridiculous to suggest that any Down manager will weaken his team by failing to pick players on the basis of their geographical location.Most East Down clubs and players do not share the dedication to the GAA which is all so evident in most South Down clubs and players.The handful of East Down clubs that display a strong GAA ethos(kilcoo,liatroim,castlewellan,bryansford and loughinisland) are respected throughout the county.If the rest of the East Down clubs and players want recognition,they need to up the ante.To try and portray East Down as victims of some South Down conspiracy is embarassing.
PS.Good luck to James,Paddy and Brian!
Down forward Danny Hughes has backed the appointment of James McCartan as the county's new football manager.
And he believes the 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winner is taking on the job at a "good time".
"James is getting a team with an average age of 25 or 26," Hughes told the Irish News.
"Under Paddy O'Rourke and, to a certain degree Ross Carr, there was no middle ground. So I think James is inheriting a good mix of youth and experience.
Hughes also welcomes the retention of Paddy Tally as team trainer and the addition of former Donegal manager Brian McIver as a selector.
"I think it's a very, very strong ticket. They've gone for two outside men along with James. James is still a relatively young fella and I think the experience he's gained at club level and for Queen's will be invaluable.
"We know Tally from last year and I'd speak very highly of him. The credit should go to Ross (Carr) for introducing Paddy Tally to use.
"Thankfully, he's still involved with us. I know a lot of the senior players and younger fellas think Paddy Tally is a very good fella - and I'd be one of them.
"And Brian McIver did brilliant work with Donegal and I know the Donegal boys would have a good word for him, so it all lends itself to a very good team."
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 14, 2009, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 13, 2009, 02:18:30 PM
Excellent coup by Down- thats a really strong management team. Fair play to them.
Have to agree with Indiana. Think this could be the start of the road back for us.
Well they've got good CV's - so thats a good start. If Clarke comes home- could be the dawn of a new era because there are a lot of good players in Down who are chronically underperforming in my view. If Mc Cartan can't put the swagger back into Down football- nobody will.
Good Luck to James, Paddy & Brian!
Theyve a mighty task ahead but any improvement on the farce that was the past few years is gonna be welcome by all Id say!
Some fellas could be in for a shock I reckon because James Id say will rattle a few egos along the way!
Hopefully the best players are selected at club level & not what has happened in the past boys being on it for simple reason they have been for a number of years.
Im hoping they can turn around our fortunes & restore some pride in the Red & Black jersey again.
Lavery probably will & should be invited along but if Kilcoo wi the Championship I dont think they will have 4 or 5 on it.........Lavery & possibly Devlin & Brannigan (Aidan)
From Hoganstand
Pete McGrath has expressed his disgust at the way he was treated by the Down county board regarding the appointment of their new football manager.
The 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winning manager and outgoing under 21 boss had made no secret of his desire to return to senior hot seat following Ross Carr's sacking last month. But instead the selection committee opted for former star player James McCartan, who had been managing Ballinderry up until their recent exit from the Derry SFC.
"To say that I'm bitterly disappointed the way I was treated by the Down board would be understatement. I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days," McGrath said
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
From Hoganstand
Pete McGrath has expressed his disgust at the way he was treated by the Down county board regarding the appointment of their new football manager.
The 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winning manager and outgoing under 21 boss had made no secret of his desire to return to senior hot seat following Ross Carr's sacking last month. But instead the selection committee opted for former star player James McCartan, who had been managing Ballinderry up until their recent exit from the Derry SFC.
"To say that I'm bitterly disappointed the way I was treated by the Down board would be understatement. I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days," McGrath said
Maybe Pete will cross the Canal to sicken ye lot
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
From Hoganstand
Pete McGrath has expressed his disgust at the way he was treated by the Down county board regarding the appointment of their new football manager.
The 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winning manager and outgoing under 21 boss had made no secret of his desire to return to senior hot seat following Ross Carr's sacking last month. But instead the selection committee opted for former star player James McCartan, who had been managing Ballinderry up until their recent exit from the Derry SFC.
"To say that I'm bitterly disappointed the way I was treated by the Down board would be understatement. I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days," McGrath said
Sounds familiar.
Quote from: AFS on September 16, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
From Hoganstand
Pete McGrath has expressed his disgust at the way he was treated by the Down county board regarding the appointment of their new football manager.
The 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winning manager and outgoing under 21 boss had made no secret of his desire to return to senior hot seat following Ross Carr's sacking last month. But instead the selection committee opted for former star player James McCartan, who had been managing Ballinderry up until their recent exit from the Derry SFC.
"To say that I'm bitterly disappointed the way I was treated by the Down board would be understatement. I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days," McGrath said
Sounds familiar.
Did he think he had the job? Unless he was promised the job I do not think he has cause be devestated. Disappointed yes.
We have to move on and I think we may have the right mgt in place to start to make inroads
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
From Hoganstand
Pete McGrath has expressed his disgust at the way he was treated by the Down county board regarding the appointment of their new football manager.
The 1991 and '94 All-Ireland winning manager and outgoing under 21 boss had made no secret of his desire to return to senior hot seat following Ross Carr's sacking last month. But instead the selection committee opted for former star player James McCartan, who had been managing Ballinderry up until their recent exit from the Derry SFC.
"To say that I'm bitterly disappointed the way I was treated by the Down board would be understatement. I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days," McGrath said
If this report is correct he maybe needs to check his facts as the Down Board cant be blamed - they had delegated the task to a selection panel whose nomination was put to the clubs for ratification. I would have been happy enough to see Pete back as long as his backroom team was Linden and Murphy, but the panel seemed to want to go in a brave new direction and should be lauded not pilloried for that.
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passionfor the game ?
It's obvious that Pete has the
hunger, drive and passion to be running to the papers . :(
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Dont see anything wrong with this question, especially if he is applying for a job
Is Pete above being asked this?
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Dont see anything wrong with this question, especially if he is applying for a job
Is Pete above being asked this?
He still should have got the job like Grimley should have got it in Armagh.
Quote from: wobbller on September 17, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Dont see anything wrong with this question, especially if he is applying for a job
Is Pete above being asked this?
He still should have got the job like Grimley should have got it in Armagh.
The players in Armagh wanted Grimley
Can the same be said for Pete?
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 17, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Dont see anything wrong with this question, especially if he is applying for a job
Is Pete above being asked this?
He still should have got the job like Grimley should have got it in Armagh.
The players in Armagh wanted Grimley
Can the same be said for Pete?
You would be surprised. Pete is popular with a lot of people both players and supporters.
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Dont see anything wrong with this question, especially if he is applying for a job
Is Pete above being asked this?
I'd have taken exception to this question as well. Pete was involved with the 21s and got to the AI only to be beaten in cruel circumstances and decided he would like the senior job. You'd have to assume that Pete was driven enough to go for the joib in the first instance.
Obviously Pete didn't like this question, given that he has now broadcast it.
More bloodletting.
Can honestly see nothing wrong with the question
If you were employing someone that had been in a junior role for a number of years & were thinking of employing them for a senior role again within the company would you be entitled to ask it?
If you cant ask him this how would you question him if he had poor results?
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:40:20 AM
Can honestly see nothing wrong with the question
If you were employing someone that had been in a junior role for a number of years & were thinking of employing them for a senior role again within the company would you be entitled to ask it?
If you cant ask him this how would you question him if he had poor results?
Are you referring to the under 21s ?
Probably the man who asked the question thought that the question was a reasonable one. Maybe it was. But in the context, Pete toom severe umbrage. It stuck with him. Bit like Marty Morrissey asking Cody about the penalty incident a few weeks ago. It might have been a fair enough question but Cody didn't see it that way.
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
Thread police?
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
But it has left a bad taste which we are entitled to discuss.
Quote from: wobbller on September 17, 2009, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
But it has left a bad taste which we are entitled to discuss.
It definitely has - so much so that Pete has gone public. Another former great shafted by his own.
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: full back on September 17, 2009, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
Thread police?
No not the Police,it's just a suggestion that McCartan is now in position and all this is getting to be a pain,
with the Armagh situation we can speculate about who is to be the Manager whereas the McGrath/McCartan
position is over but feel free to further your thoughts
Thanks for letting us do that, we appreciate it
I see Pete has compared his situation to Mick Collins being shot by his own. :D
Pete severely overestimates his standing in down currently.
certainly the players were dreading him getting the job - particularly the u21s who've been under him for the last few years and those senior players who'd been there at the tail end of his last stint.
I have yet to talk to a down man who isn't delighted with the overall appointment and on top of that every armagh man i talk to throws in a comment about how well down have done in their appointment when discussing our own mess.
Pete must be having a laugh with the mick collins comment?
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 17, 2009, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
But it has left a bad taste which we are entitled to discuss.
It definitely has - so much so that Pete has gone public. Another former great shafted by his own.
Who was previously shafted and how was Pete shafted in this instance?
Read the back page of the Irish News.
Pete thinks he was shafted because he didn't get the job. nobody else does
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 17, 2009, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: fairplay on September 17, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Can we move on?
Down have their Manager.Armagh haven't.End of.
But it has left a bad taste which we are entitled to discuss.
It definitely has - so much so that Pete has gone public. Another former great shafted by his own.
Who was previously shafted and how was Pete shafted in this instance?
Read the back page of the Irish News.
I have read it and it's a load of rubbish.Move on Pete and row in behind McCartan.
Hopefully he will but only after he gets a good old moan about it.
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.What sort of muppets are these people?
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.What sort of muppets are these people?
Co.Down Muppets?
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.What sort of muppets are these people?
I am no apologist for county board but can somebody tell me exactly what they did wrong?
As for the leaking of the appointment this is clearly down to one individual on the selection panel, unfortunate but happens all the time. To be fair up until Thursday last the panel had kept the whole process very tight.
So again I ask how did the county baord act that justifies the muppet analogu in this case?
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.What sort of muppets are these people?
I'd suggest the opposite actually. granted the early media knowledge is something he latched onto but he went to great pains to articulate his cv and show his astonishment at being overlooked
He has every right to be p1ssed off if he didnt get the job, any man worth his salt would be the same.
But to do this in the media certainly starts dragging the CB thorugh the muck. It isnt helping Down's cause at all
People who applauded the CB for getting shot of Carr will now be criticising them for 'shafting' Pete
Leo if you are as knowledgeable as you appear to be about the goings on in Down i cannot see how you can condone how the County Board have acted in this whole debacle! I feel they need to be taken to task over the whole episode. :-\
Quote from: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 01:33:44 PM
Leo if you are as knowledgeable as you appear to be about the goings on in Down i cannot see how you can condone how the County Board have acted in this whole debacle! I feel they need to be taken to task over the whole episode. :-\
You've obviously mis-read my post.It is because I am anything but knowledgeable that I am asking the question - what did the co board do that has upset Pete?
Nobody seems to be able to say what they did wrong but plenty seem to be slagging them off - maybe they are right - I just want to know.
I think its the way he found out about it thats the problem. Certainly the article in the Irish News sounds a bit like sour grapes but there are individuals within the County set-up who are obviously informing media and other organisations - and it stinks. The same happened when Carr / Kane were sacked. Comments were made over on the local thread about 'certain peoples egos' - its nothing to do with ego's. Carr & Kane were unfairly treated and so was Pete McGrath - not because they didn't get the job but the methods that were used to oust or discount them. I just think it should have been handled better and in saying that i welcome the new appointments, i think they have their work cut out for them but i wish them luck.
Quote from: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Carr & Kane were unfairly treated and so was Pete McGrath - not because they didn't get the job but the methods that were used to oust or discount them.
Did Pete not complain about a question he was asked?
If there is someone leaking info then its in best interests to get him out.There is a lack of decency with the situation.As soon as decision was made McGrath should have been the first man informed. I think he is entitled to that at least,also they should be trying to keep Pete sweet as he should be U-21 mangager next going for 3 in a row.
I think the appointment of McCartan and co is the right one,but handled poorly.
Apart from when a manager retires at the top, is it actually possible to oust a manager in an non-acrimonious way?
Apart from when there are no other contenders, is it possible to select a manager without offending a few others?
A load of fuss about nothing if you ask me.
Quote from: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
I think its the way he found out about it thats the problem. Certainly the article in the Irish News sounds a bit like sour grapes but there are individuals within the County set-up who are obviously informing media and other organisations - and it stinks. The same happened when Carr / Kane were sacked. Comments were made over on the local thread about 'certain peoples egos' - its nothing to do with ego's. Carr & Kane were unfairly treated and so was Pete McGrath - not because they didn't get the job but the methods that were used to oust or discount them. I just think it should have been handled better and in saying that i welcome the new appointments, i think they have their work cut out for them but i wish them luck.
Ross & DJ were appointed for a three year term which came to an end this year so I don't see how you can say they were sacked when they wern't actually in a job after the exit from the qualifiers/championship against Wicklow.
JAMES McCartan has learned very quickly that nothing can prepare anyone for the onslaught that faces the new inter-county manager.
By yesterday afternoon he had spent four-and-a-half hours on his mobile phone, and not a single minute was in relation to his job of running Tullyraine Quarry, the family business.
He was making calls and receiving them. The requests for interviews from press, radio, and television have been coming thick and fast since he was confirmed as Ross Carr's successor on Friday night.
McCartan batted all media requests away until he finally relented and spoke to The Irish News.
The past 72 hours may have been a baptism of fire, but they provided the former Down star with an idea of the difference between club and county management.
He understands that the demands of county management will put on an added strain on his working day. His wife Linda (who is pregnant), and their two sons James (5) and Cian (3) may also see slightly less of him, but the Ballinderry manager noted that his life was already
consumed by football.
"Last Sunday I had to be at a game in Slaughtneil at 11.30am in the morning. I then had to be in Warrenpoint for 3.30pm for a 125-celebration game. I then went to two Championship games in Newry."
McCartan revealed that the baby-sitting skills of his parents, James and Marie, and the leeway provided by a considerate wife, have enabled him to maintain his passion for football.
"I have a supportive wife and supportive grandparents," he said. "On Sunday, I left my children with my mum and dad at half eight in the morning.
"They have put their hands up to volunteer help whenever they can, and my wife has always said that she would never stand in the way of football – she thinks that it keeps me out of trouble," he added.
It's no surprise that McCartan's father, James, a legend of Down football, and a vociferous supporter, is willing to lend assistance to his son's management campaign.
No doubt, James snr will also provide a few opinions. But McCartan revealed that he has already sought the advice of other elder statesmen from the Mourne county.
"A lot of phone calls have already been made to people who attend a lot of football in Down. We are looking for names," he said.
McCartan's swift appointment means that he can conduct some trials before the moratorium on all training sessions takes effect in November and December.
Commenting on his plans to draw up a new county squad, the 38-year-old said: "There are one or two players out there who we think deserve a shot at it.
"But I am also fully aware of the efforts that Ross and DJ went to. Whenever they started, I think they trialled 140 players.
"They tried to cover every angle to ensure that no-one slipped through the net.
"There is always the chance that you might unearth a Peter Withnell.
We are aware that a lot of work has been done in that area. And Pete [McGrath] has enjoyed great success with the U21s during the past two years.
"The Down minors have also been doing well. The players are there. We are just hoping that they will be able to make the step up."
During the closed season, managers are only allowed to hold two meetings, and two trial games, which must not feature any of this year's Championship squad.
The ban on collective training represents a huge challenge for managers like McCartan who are embarking on their first season.
Not surprisingly, he sounded keen to make a head start by conducting trials before the closed season begins.
"My initial thinking is that I will use the rest of September to finalise our plans. We will then use the month of October to get a panel sorted out.
"Trials will be held, probably in conjunction with the league play-offs. I wouldn't be sure of the format just yet, but trials will be held," he said.
In an increasingly competitive provincial landscape, the new Down manager now faces the tough task of bringing his county to the top of a pile that includes a raft of equally ambitious teams.
It's a challenge that proved beyond both Paddy O'Rourke and Ross Carr. McCartan stressed that he was under no illusions about the enormity of the job he and his management team of Brian McIver and Paddy Tally has taken on.
"You are a Down man through and through and there is always that wee bit of hope that you can be the man who will bring that success back.
"I have seen the effort that has gone in from the previous management teams. I know that it will not just happen," he said.
DOWN'S new management team will bring a wealth of All-Ireland winning experience to the post after it was confirmed last night that James McCartan would succeed Ross Carr and bring in Paddy Tally and Brian McIver to his backroom set-up.
McCartan – twice an All-Ireland and Allstar winner with the Mourne county – has been appointed for a three-year term.
Most recently the manager of Ballinderry in Derry, he has also previously managed St Gall's in Antrim and Burren in his native county.
He has also won the Sigerson Cup with Queen's as a player (1990 & '93) and as a manager (2007).
A tenacious corner-forward in his playing days, McCartan also won All-Ireland titles at minor and school level. He was part of the Down minors who lifted the Tom Markham Cup in 1987 and he twice won the Hogan Cup with St Colman's College, Newry, in 1986 and '88.
McIver is another who has worked in a number of counties. The Tyrone native took Ballinderry to an All-Ireland club title in 2002, managed Donegal to their 2007 National League win and has also managed in Armagh with Dromintee.
He recently ruled out a return to county management when linked with the vacant Armagh job and revealed that he is looking forward to a more hands-on role in the new Down set-up.
"I said I wouldn't be returning as a manager. By and large, I'm in working with the players. That's what I see as my role and that's what I enjoy doing," he said.
McIver worked with Tally when the latter was manager of the St Mary University team. The former All-Ireland winning trainer with Tyrone was also Down trainer this year.
However, McIver admits that working with McCartan will be a new experience for him.
"This will be my first time working with James. I know his reputation as a player and the work that he has done with Queen's and various clubs. So I'm looking forward to it," he said.
Although Down managed to win promotion out of Division Three this year, their Championship challenge was brought to a sharp halt in the third round of the Qualifiers against Wicklow.
Having recovered from a first round Ulster Championship defeat to Fermanagh, they got back on track with wins over London and Laois before coming unstuck in Aughrim.
McIver admits that he still has a lot to learn about the Down players, but believes that the county has the right blend of up-and-coming young talent and senior players who are starting to reach their peak.
"I was at their game with Fermanagh in the Championship and I've seen a few of their games on TV. Hopefully, over the coming weeks, I'll learn a lot more about them," he said.
"I have no doubt that there's great talent in Down – that has been very evident from their work at minor and U21 level over the last number of seasons, along with the lads who are also now the more senior players and should be reaching the prime of the football careers."
McGrath left hurt by Down board's snub
Gaelic Games
By Paddy Hickey
17/09/09
FORMER double All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrath has lashed out at the treatment he received from the Down County Board during their hunt for a new football manager.
Incredibly, the first that the Rostrevor man learned that he had been overlooked in favour of former Mourne star James McCartan, who played under him in the 1991 and 1994 successes, was when he picked up his newspaper last Friday morning.
''The Irish News was delivered to my house last Friday morning at eight o'clock, and I was completely gobsmacked when I saw a big heading on the back page saying 'McCartan on the brink','' explained the former Ireland International Rules manager.
''The article said that the appointment of James McCartan was going to be rubber-stamped at a county board meeting in Newry that night, and that's exactly what happened.
''That was a bolt completely out of the blue for me, because I had attended an interview for the position of team manager on Monday of last week (September 7), and I was informed then that the decision about the new team manager would not be announced for at least three weeks.
''I subsequently learned after last Friday that the announcement would have been made last Wednesday but for the fact that the county chairman (Kevin Bell) was away on holidays, and would not be returning until last Friday.''
McGrath had made no secret of his desire to succeed Ross Carr at the Mourne county helm, and he was widely seen as the front-runner for the position until McCartan got the nod.
''No one has a divine right to be chosen as a team-manager,'' said McGrath, who managed Down to All-Ireland senior success in 1991 and 1994, to an All-Ireland minor title in 1987, and to Ulster U21 titles in 2008 and 2009.
''But to say that I'm bitterly disappointed at the way that I was treated by the Down board would be a complete understatement. In fact, I'm devastated, saddened and hurt by what's happened over the last four to five days.
''It's a bit like Michael Collins being shot by his own county people in 1922.
''I thought my record of managing teams to two
All-Ireland senior titles, one All-Ireland minor title, to two Ulster titles in the last two years, and coming within 30 seconds of winning this year's All-Ireland [U21] final against Cork, would have counted for something tangible.''
Prior to the interview process, McGrath added that he feared the worst when he learned the make-up of the five-man committee.
''There was one individual (whom McGrath did not wish to name) who had tried to have me ousted from the position of county senior team-manager back in 1993, the year before we beat Dublin in the All-Ireland final,'' he pointed out.
''At the interview, this same person asked me if I thought I still had the enthusiasm, drive and passion to manage at inter-county level, after me having managed the U21 team for the past two years.
''He also asked at the interview if I thought that the Down team of the 90s had under-performed – after winning senior All-Irelands in 1991 and '94 – two of Down's entire total of five senior
All-Irelands since the start of the GAA.
''I had assembled an excellent backroom team for next year, with Paul Hardy and Liam Murphy from this year's U21 set-up, and Declan Mussen, who had been the Down trainer under Ross (Carr) for two years, joining me.''
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Wondered at that myself....this same boyo tried to oust him in 93....according to Pete.
Any guesses...you can rule out Seamus Ryan and Blayney because they wouldnt have been involved at Co Board level then. Perm one from 3..Sean og (was he there then?), Kevin Bell, Emmett Haughian (was he there then?)....nil fhios agam :-[
I'm drinking a big beer and making a silent toast to all the wives and mothers in the GAA ;D
Quote from: goldenyears on September 17, 2009, 08:17:05 PM
JAMES McCartan has learned very quickly that nothing can prepare anyone for the onslaught that faces the new inter-county manager.
By yesterday afternoon he had spent four-and-a-half hours on his mobile phone, and not a single minute was in relation to his job of running Tullyraine Quarry, the family business.
Where can I get one of those phone batteries, mine would only last a half an hour at that rate.
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 17, 2009, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 17, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Who was the boyo that asked Pete during the interview if he still had the hunger, drive and passion for the game ?
Wondered at that myself....this same boyo tried to oust him in 93....according to Pete.
Any guesses...you can rule out Seamus Ryan and Blayney because they wouldnt have been involved at Co Board level then. Perm one from 3..Sean og (was he there then?), Kevin Bell, Emmett Haughian (was he there then?)....nil fhios agam :-[
Bell was not on the ctte
Is it true marty clarke is home and is in the down squad already??!
Fantastic news if True about Clarke. Hopefully him and John will both be in James squad for the NL.
Clarke is home but there is no Down squad so he can't be in it.
McCartan is the right choice for Down despite the nonsense that clown In The Onion Bag is spouting on the club thread. There was no other viable candidate FFS. His back room team is excellent IMO.
Heard earlier that Clarke was back on the Collingwood first team? Dunno if thats true but obviously brilliant news if hes home.
Clarke was named on the VFL team at the weekend, but he didnt play. ???
The off the fence column in todays Irish News will make for interesting reading. There are a lot of letters complaining about how Pete was treated. While I agree that he wasnt treated the best and should have been notified that he did not get the job, it is time to put this matter to bed once and for all. Wee James is the Down manager now and deserves the full support of everyone in the county. Pete more than anyone should realise this and stop creating more division within the county. If he wants to go and manage Armagh then go ahead, we dont mind him taking one of the lesser counties and trying to help them out, but airing his dirty laundry is doing no one any favours.
Pete has done himself no favours by bitching about geting poorly treated one week and then looking for the Armagh job the following week.
BTW James Mc Cartan must be fairly smiling this morning with the news that Clarke is coming back.
Quote from: orangeman on September 24, 2009, 10:45:54 AM
Pete has done himself no favours by bitching about geting poorly treated one week and then looking for the Armagh job the following week.
BTW James Mc Cartan must be fairly smiling this morning with the news that Clarke is coming back.
It is great news but I don't think we should be getting carried away by talking all Irelands and Ulsters
No one is talking about Ulsters or All Irelands. Survival in Division 2 is all that matters. But its a nice position to be in, a new management team with the right blend of youth and experience, a newly promoted team with a lot to prove, a plethora of underage talent waiting to make its mark on the senior stage and the greatest young player that any of us have ever seen coming home after a 3 year stint as a professional athlete. Things could be a whole lot worse for us.
Quote from: orangeman on September 24, 2009, 10:45:54 AM
Pete has done himself no favours by bitching about geting poorly treated one week and then looking for the Armagh job the following week.
BTW James Mc Cartan must be fairly smiling this morning with the news that Clarke is coming back.
have to agree entirely with this post.
I heard someone once went into an interview for a manager's job and said "How long is this going to take? I have to be at another meeting at 9."
he had another interview at 9
.... in Armagh :D
"You are a Down man through and through and there is always that wee bit of hope that you can be the man who will bring that success back"
Was James not hoping to play for Armagh at one stage? :D
Down man through and through me arse, he couldnt even be loyal to his own club and was prepared to live in a caravan in Burren to make sure he got his transfer ffs. Wee James is a front runner, thats all he is.
Agree Pete should walk away with his dignity and reputation intact. We will live to regret losing him
Great news for James and the whole county to have Martin Clarke coming back.
Next up is the number 3 shirt which will need to be addressed this year Mckernan is not a defender, any suggestions on who could fill the position.
We need to get a settled defence as early as possible and stick to it.
Haven't seen much aside from division 2 this year but over the past 3-4 years the only club full-backs that struck me as having any potential to play county full-back are Gary McArdle (Annaclone), Andrew Kane (Bryansford) and Graeme Johnston (Tullylish). I'd imagine Luke Howard could be a useful enough proposition there too. Most club full-backs n the county iare either big and cumbersome or are slightly-taller-than-average corner-backs.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
Haven't seen much aside from division 2 this year but over the past 3-4 years the only club full-backs that struck me as having any potential to play county full-back are Gary McArdle (Annaclone), Andrew Kane (Bryansford) and Graeme Johnston (Tullylish). I'd imagine Luke Howard could be a useful enough proposition there too. Most club full-backs n the county iare either big and cumbersome or are slightly-taller-than-average corner-backs.
Wobbler our total disintegration under high ball pressure in recent years is the biggest failing of Carr & Co., never having really addressed this issue. We need a big physical presence in there even if (like Tyrone and McAnallen) we have to manufacture a full back. Having said that McArdle is worth another chance.
Quote from: Leo on September 25, 2009, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
Haven't seen much aside from division 2 this year but over the past 3-4 years the only club full-backs that struck me as having any potential to play county full-back are Gary McArdle (Annaclone), Andrew Kane (Bryansford) and Graeme Johnston (Tullylish). I'd imagine Luke Howard could be a useful enough proposition there too. Most club full-backs n the county iare either big and cumbersome or are slightly-taller-than-average corner-backs.
Wobbler our total disintegration under high ball pressure in recent years is the biggest failing of Carr & Co., never having really addressed this issue. We need a big physical presence in there even if (like Tyrone and McAnallen) we have to manufacture a full back. Having said that McArdle is worth another chance.
dont know much about Down football, but in alot of counties, the IC full back wouldnt usually play there for his club.
In tyrone Justy mcmahon and connor gormley both play further out the field for the club.
converting a decent midfeilder or CHB might be the way to go
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 25, 2009, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 25, 2009, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
Haven't seen much aside from division 2 this year but over the past 3-4 years the only club full-backs that struck me as having any potential to play county full-back are Gary McArdle (Annaclone), Andrew Kane (Bryansford) and Graeme Johnston (Tullylish). I'd imagine Luke Howard could be a useful enough proposition there too. Most club full-backs n the county iare either big and cumbersome or are slightly-taller-than-average corner-backs.
Wobbler our total disintegration under high ball pressure in recent years is the biggest failing of Carr & Co., never having really addressed this issue. We need a big physical presence in there even if (like Tyrone and McAnallen) we have to manufacture a full back. Having said that McArdle is worth another chance.
dont know much about Down football, but in alot of counties, the IC full back wouldnt usually play there for his club.
In tyrone Justy mcmahon and connor gormley both play further out the field for the club.
converting a decent midfeilder or CHB might be the way to go
Have seen Johnson,Tullylish-looks an excellent player,albeit in Div 3.I think we need to look to increase the overall size of our full back line-not just no.3.Very much like the forward line ,you can get away with 1 small defender,as long as he is pacy and intelligent,but the other 5 defenders ideally should be 6ft+.The argument about manufacturing full backs is a strong one-Conor Deegan,Cormac McAnallen,and more recently the McMahon's are examples of this.
It's a pity the Rookie squad concept never took off-ideally you could target certain players with the athletic ability and height,work on their conditioning,technique and give them match time at rookie level,rather than have to throw them in at the deep end,and then discard them if they appear not to cut it!
When you consider how the AFL players develop physically,could we target the physically light but otherwise talented members of minor and u21 squads,and get them on a conditioning/nutrition program,rather than discard them.I imagine that's an area James will want to explore.
Don't kid yourselves lads, No.3 Dan McCartan.
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 25, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Don't kid yourselves lads, No.3 Dan McCartan.
i'D like to see him tried at 6 myself, but I fear that the sheer volume of begrudgers in this county (no more than tyrone armagh derry etc) will mean continued exile for him.
On a not entirely unrelated (pun intended) note it will be interesting to see how the Clarke brothers get on as I don't see John making the starting 15 (too slow).
Sorry if this has already been posted but can;t find it in a search.
Who made up the interview panel for the Down manager?
Quote from: under the bar on September 25, 2009, 02:35:55 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted but can;t find it in a search.
Who made up the interview panel for the Down manager?
S og McAteer, J Devenney,P Blaney,E Haughian,S Ryan
Quote from: rosskarr on September 25, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 25, 2009, 02:35:55 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted but can;t find it in a search.
Who made up the interview panel for the Down manager?
Why? Do you need a lend of them to get you lot a Manager?
They can take the first one on a free
What about giving Colgan a go at number 3. Mcardle would be worth another look also.
Dan McCartan always gave everything he had but I think his time has passed
Quote from: passedit on September 25, 2009, 01:32:28 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 25, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Don't kid yourselves lads, No.3 Dan McCartan.
i'D like to see him tried at 6 myself, but I fear that the sheer volume of begrudgers in this county (no more than tyrone armagh derry etc) will mean continued exile for him.
On a not entirely unrelated (pun intended) note it will be interesting to see how the Clarke brothers get on as I don't see John making the starting 15 (too slow).
I think Dan is too slow for county and gives away too many free's as a result , good man to have as cover and I thought he should of been about the pannel last year but I can't see him making a return to the starting 15 , nothing to do with begrugery as I have nothing but respect for the McCartan's and all they have done for Down football .
I don't live in the county and don't see club football bar the county final ,how is Eoin getting on now after his injury ?
Dan McCartan did a fine job in damage limitation in his last game as Down full back against Sean Cavanagh at Newry in 08, but he probably does not have the size or the pace for the long-term position. Turley has to be worth a run of three or four game there between the McKenna and the NFL, and McArdle may have been dropped prematurely last year.
QuoteSorry if this has already been posted but can;t find it in a search.
Who made up the interview panel for the Down manager?
S og McAteer, J Devenney,P Blaney,E Haughian,S Ryan
Anyone know who asked Pete if he thought the 90's team had under-achieved??
QuoteAnyone know who asked Pete if he thought the 90's team had under-achieved??
Whoever it was,it seems sensible enough, considering the talent that was about Down teams then.
If that question was asked of Peter McGrath alone then the process itself would be flawed since in a fair selection process each candidate should be asked the same questions.
QuoteIf that question was asked of Peter McGrath alone then the process itself would be flawed since in a fair selection process each candidate should be asked the same questions.
You have a point there but I suppose the other candidates were not managing Down in the 90's
so it couldn't really be asked to them
Then they have made a double blunder in asking a question that the answer to could only disadvantage him as a candidate and not the others.
QuoteIf that question was asked of Peter McGrath alone then the process itself would be flawed since in a fair selection process each candidate should be asked the same questions.
You have a point there but I suppose the other candidates were not managing Down in the 90's
so it couldn't really be asked to them
Then they have made a double blunder in asking a question that the answer to could only disadvantage him as a candidate and not the others.
It's a GAA Manager's job not some HR issue where you have all sorts of
rules and procedures.Not relevant here.Good-bye.
It#s nothing to do with rules, it's about the process being fair. Don't you agree?
Pete is still spitting fire over his perceived shafting by the CB :
The continuing dispute in Down over the appointment of James McCartan as the county's new football manager has reared its head again.
Former manager, Pete McGrath was surprisingly not considered for a return to management with Down after Ross Carr left the post, despite declaring his interest in the role.
McGrath made clear his displeasure with the situation and has now stepped down from his post as the county's under-21 manager after being snubbed for the senior position.
McGrath has said his ill treatment by the county board has left him with too much personal hurt to continue with the under-21's.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_sportat7.xml
heard this last night too, he made it sound like he was being victimised by one of the commitee/panel in a very harsh and unfair way and that he is a very proud Down GAA man and hurt by the way he was treated. Wrong decision in my opinion to appoint James instead of a man of this stature and experience but time will tell.
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 29, 2009, 09:18:40 AM
heard this last night too, he made it sound like he was being victimised by one of the commitee/panel in a very harsh and unfair way and that he is a very proud Down GAA man and hurt by the way he was treated. Wrong decision in my opinion to appoint James instead of a man of this stature and experience but time will tell.
Who was the person that Mc Grath alleged led a campaign to oust him in 1993 ( in between the 2 All Irelands ) and was on the 5 man selection committee this time around ? Was it by any chance the same person that ased Pete if he still was motivated enough to do the job ???
I feel both Down and Armagh were both very wrong not to appoint McGrath as their manager when both had the opportunity to do so.
I cannot see either winning an All-Ireland with the managers they have appointed but time will tell.
Couldnt see any of them winning an All ireland in the short to medium term either, even if Mc Grath had taken the respective hot seat.
Think its time to lock this thread. Pete isnt doing himself any favours at the minute, he is acting like a spoiled child. Pete did a great job in the 90s and we will always be greatful for what he done, but it is time to move on. James McCartan is the new Down manager and deserves the support of everyone within the county, including Pete.