Really looking forward to watching our 8 boxers in action over the next month. I feel we have a real possibility of 4 gold medals. Could we get all 8 boxers as medalists by the end of it all?
The sky is the limit, a few favourable draws and there could be 5 or 6 medals. Is Katie Taylor's dad back in her corner? Doesn't seem to be as strong without him.
Always love the boxing at the Olympics but the change in the visibility of the scores throughout makes it less exciting. The removal of headgear will obviously result in more stoppage wins, but the flip side is that cuts will probably be a big factor in this tournament now as there will surely be a lot of fighters at risk of pulling out the further they go on.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/01/rio-2016-olympics-boxing-corruption-allegations (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/01/rio-2016-olympics-boxing-corruption-allegations)
Quotes Katie Taylor's dad back in her corner? Doesn't seem to be as strong without him.
Don't think that's happening anytime soon
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/01/rio-2016-olympics-boxing-corruption-allegations (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/01/rio-2016-olympics-boxing-corruption-allegations)
Quotes Katie Taylor's dad back in her corner? Doesn't seem to be as strong without him.
Don't think that's happening anytime soon
Why did he leave or is it still unknown?
QuoteWhy did he leave or is it still unknown?
Officially there's been no explanation given and the last time she was asked about it Katie said http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/youll-have-to-ask-my-dad-why-hes-no-longer-my-coach-katie-taylor-34493361.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/youll-have-to-ask-my-dad-why-hes-no-longer-my-coach-katie-taylor-34493361.html) so it's anyone's guess really
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
The sky is the limit, a few favourable draws and there could be 5 or 6 medals. Is Katie Taylor's dad back in her corner? Doesn't seem to be as strong without him.
Always love the boxing at the Olympics but the change in the visibility of the scores throughout makes it less exciting. The removal of headgear will obviously result in more stoppage wins, but the flip side is that cuts will probably be a big factor in this tournament now as there will surely be a lot of fighters at risk of pulling out the further they go on.
Removal of head gear is a big thing alright could go against one of our bigger names too who has a tendency to cut easily but I have seen them in action recently at the spar v Russia and they all look in fantastic shape. The Katie Taylor issue with her dad is a big factor in her success too as was rightly stated she seemed stronger with him in the corner. Katie should win gold using her last few outings as motivation to succeed. Imo she still is our greatest ever boxer just throwing that out there with all the talk of frampton being the greatest now although he's not far away.
Did any well known professionals get entered in the end?
I hope Katie takes gold again, but I reckon I'll be backing against her. Lost her aura of invicibility, there's 3 or 4 now who think they can beat her and, very importantly, the judges no longer think she's invincible. She still has a good chance of course, but her opponents are likely to be well overpriced.
A few good men setting themselves up for disappointment. The performance of our boxers at major championships in this generation has been nothing short of phenomenonal given the resources and numbers at their disposal. The last olympics was a relative miracle in terms of medal return.
I'm not sure we can realistically expect the HPU to continue to defy the odds indefinitely.
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 03, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
A few good men setting themselves up for disappointment. The performance of our boxers at major championships in this generation has been nothing short of phenomenonal given the resources and numbers at their disposal. The last olympics was a relative miracle in terms of medal return.
I'm not sure we can realistically expect the HPU to continue to defy the odds indefinitely.
Trainers, good trainers are incredibly important to boxers, in that regard our trainers/ managers at the last Olympics were the best in the business.
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2016, 01:32:20 PM
Did any well known professionals get entered in the end?
I hope Katie takes gold again, but I reckon I'll be backing against her. Lost her aura of invicibility, there's 3 or 4 now who think they can beat her and, very importantly, the judges no longer think she's invincible. She still has a good chance of course, but her opponents are likely to be well overpriced.
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam is probably the best known, complete joke that they are allowed in. A few of the professionals got beat in the qualifiers though, think he might have as well.
Getting a bronze medal in Boxing at the Olympics, depends of luck as well as being good enough. If the three best fighters in a weight Division are in the same side of the draw, then the third best fighter will lose in the quarter-finals. There are always two Bronze medal winners, so on the other side of the draw the fifth best boxer could end up with a bronze! Not to mention the 4th best ending up with a silver! :-\
http://www.irishexaminer.com/rioolympics/rioolympics-analysis/irish-boxer-fails-drug-test-on-eve-of-rio-olympics-reports-414161.html
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Very good draw for the Irish lads with paddy and Mick getting byes to the last 16. Brendan irvines draw looks the trickiest. Katie is automatically into a Medal fight against an opponent she has already beaten. First up is David Oliver Joyce on sat. Can't wait.
Ps as for the drug story ye believe all ye hear you will eat all ye see.
Great draw. It's a pity it's being overshadowed by this doping story!
Named on twitter as Michael O'Reilly.
Take with a grain of salt for the moment.
Irish ExaminerVerified account @irishexaminer 9m9 minutes ago
UPDATE: Irish boxer who failed drugs test named as Michael O'Reilly #Boxing #rio2016 http://shr.gs/8gJAOHO
I'm shocked at this. Silly boy if true I'm thinking it was probably a fat burner to help get down to his weight. Still a stupid action especially with all going on with the Russians
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I'm shocked at this. Silly boy if true I'm thinking it was probably a fat burner to help get down to his weight. Still a stupid action especially with all going on with the Russians
Probably got it off hos misuses.... That can get you off it ::)
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I'm shocked at this. Silly boy if true I'm thinking it was probably a fat burner to help get down to his weight. Still a stupid action especially with all going on with the Russians
Probably got it off hos misuses.... That can get you off it ::)
Lol
Was it not a Class A that was discovered?
Clown if true.
Can we say he's from Laoiski?
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Was it not a Class A that was discovered?
Clown if true.
Can we say he's from Laoiski?
Yeah, recreational apparently. What a dope
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Was it not a Class A that was discovered?
Clown if true.
Can we say he's from Laoiski?
Yeah, recreational apparently. What a dope
Brilliant. :D
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Yeah, recreational apparently. What a dope
Thats it!!.... the gloves are off now! :)
Background peer pressure?
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Background peer pressure?
Amateur takes recreational drugs!! foolish and the minute that he was pulled in for the test he most have known there and then that his efforts leading up to the Olympics were all in vain... others who trained, fought and didn't qualify at that weight will be seriously disappointed...
He'll be feeling some pressure to quit and must feel like a right embarrassment to his family/friends/coaches and supporters...
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm sure he's devastated
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Quote from: mouview on August 05, 2016, 12:34:50 AM
Background peer pressure?
Amateur takes recreational drugs!! foolish and the minute that he was pulled in for the test he most have known there and then that his efforts leading up to the Olympics were all in vain... others who trained, fought and didn't qualify at that weight will be seriously disappointed...
He'll be feeling some pressure to quit and must feel like a right embarrassment to his family/friends/coaches and supporters...
Don't think they do embarrassment.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm going the other way sick of hearing and seeing everyone fawning over PB especially.
The day of the opening ceremony when he held up the banner begging for money finished me with him.
McIlroy came back with a good one to them yesterday.
I was watching Joyce fighting last night and your doll Kelly Harrington was as bad a panelist I have ever saw on any sports broadcast ever.
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Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm sure he's devastated
McIlroy took it in good humour (which it was meant in). Looks like he forgot to impart this strategy to his chief cheerleader.
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Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm sure he's devastated
McIlroy took it in good humour (which it was meant in). Looks like he forgot to impart this strategy to his chief cheerleader.
;D
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Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm sure he's devastated
McIlroy took it in good humour (which it was meant in). Looks like he forgot to impart this strategy to his chief cheerleader.
I put his tweet franko, all in good humour
When is Barnes fighting I thought it was suppose to be on now?
If Barnes gets this he's lucky. I thought he was blowing hard and the Spanish lad was a good counter puncher.
Barnes gone
Deservedly so I thought. Despite Hugh Cahill's commentary.
Not much in that.
Was a 50/50 call to be fair. Barnes looked fucked in the 3rd round. Big shock.
Couldnt Understand the commentators confidence in the last round that Paddy would get the decision from what we watched. He landed a few combos but was landing plenty on the Spanish lads gloves and left himself open to getting caught with a few which he did. I'm no boxing guru but I wasn't shocked heredia got the decision.
Plenty time for twitter... Cough sorry :o
Paddy looked punctured.
He didn't look fit at all! Disaster. Pressure on Conlon now.
I'm sure the silence from McIlroy will be deafening.
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Plenty time for twitter... Cough sorry :o
Thats what i said...spend more time in the gym and less time on twitter. V close call all the same, he looked v lethargic and unfit
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Paddy looked punctured.
Loves his own press, I thought he would lose, too much media hype, he seemed distracted.
Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 08, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
He didn't look fit at all! Disaster. Pressure on Conlon now.
Ramirez that knocked him out 4 years ago is in his division again too after lookin like he wouldnt be going a few months back. Conlon will need the fight of his life to beat him id be thinking if both progress to he business end as they should.
Quote from: square_ball on August 08, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
That's what he was implying - https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/762669876158705665
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Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
That's what he was implying - https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/762669876158705665
Refreshing honesty
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Paddy looked punctured.
Loves his own press, I thought he would lose, too much media hype, he seemed distracted.
You thought a two time Olympic bronze medallist and world number one would lose against a complete newcomer that nobody had ever heard of from a country with little boxing tradition? Spoof.
Are we starting to see signs that maybe losing Billy Walsh wasn't the brightest thing are boxing allowed to happen?
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Quote from: The Gs Man ylink=topic=27227.msg1614582#msg1614582 date=1470669299
Paddy looked punctured.
Loves his own press, I thought he would lose, too much media hype, he seemed distracted.
You thought a two time Olympic bronze medallist and world number one would lose against a complete newcomer that nobody had ever heard of from a country with little boxing tradition? Spoof.
Paddy was the bookies favourite to win the division so if this psychic fancied this unknown kid to beat him today id say hed have beenr rewarded with very juicy odds. Hope he made a fortune ;D
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Plenty time for twitter... Cough sorry :o
Thats what i said...spend more time in the gym and less time on twitter. V close call all the same, he looked v lethargic and unfit
Yes. The reason he lost was because he sent a couple of tweets out. ::)
He's a two time Olympic medal winner. I'd be pretty sure he spent plenty of time in the gym preparing for this fight and the Olympics.
Pro ranks? Too old ?
Couldn't do punditry, would need subtitles
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Plenty time for twitter... Cough sorry :o
Thats what i said...spend more time in the gym and less time on twitter. V close call all the same, he looked v lethargic and unfit
Yes. The reason he lost was because he sent a couple of tweets out. ::)
He's a two time Olympic medal winner. I'd be pretty sure he spent plenty of time in the gym preparing for this fight and the Olympics.
Maybe the heat got to him ;D
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Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
That's what he was implying - https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/762669876158705665
Refreshing honesty
Why would he fight at that weight if its a struggle for him to get down too?
Would he not be better off or actually would it not make more sense fighting at a weight that he can achieve or is that not how it works? I don't follow boxing much so don't know.
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Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
That's what he was implying - https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/762669876158705665
Refreshing honesty
Why would he fight at that weight if its a struggle for him to get down too?
Would he not be better off or actually would it not make more sense fighting at a weight that he can achieve or is that not how it works? I don't follow boxing much so don't know.
Safely say he doesn't or people around him don't think he has the power to go up the weights.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2016, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2016, 04:41:52 PM
Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon's twitters are good value again this olympics. McIlroy getting a hard time off Barnes.
I'm sure he's devastated
McIlroy took it in good humour (which it was meant in). Looks like he forgot to impart this strategy to his chief cheerleader.
I put his tweet franko, all in good humour
Yeah, sure.
Billy Walsh proving his worth for the USA, his fighter just defeated the no.2 seeded Russian.
Barnes was obviously taken for a jolly two weeks in Brazil.
He hasn't fought at this weight in 14months prior to the Olympics.
Buntz on the BBC highlighted it weeks ago in the build up, crazy stuff.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 08, 2016, 10:10:13 PM
Barnes was obviously taken for a jolly two weeks in Brazil.
He hasn't fought at this weight in 14months prior to the Olympics.
Buntz on the BBC highlighted it weeks ago in the build up, crazy stuff.
Poor management
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 08, 2016, 05:02:29 PM
Are we starting to see signs that maybe losing Billy Walsh wasn't the brightest thing are boxing allowed to happen?
In fairness, nobody could have forseen that it wouldn't work out well :o
Disappointing for Barnes, hopefully the rest of the boxers can deliver
Heavyweights giving a good show.... Think with headgear off its making the fights better?? Or just better to watch??
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
Think he was a two time Olympian?
Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
Quote from: Franko on August 08, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
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Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
I'm a Big fan of Barnes & Mcilroy.
Barnes is a great ambassador, and his tweets etc , much like McIlroy show that he has personality and character.
I think the delay from qualifying early , to competing ,?at a weight he was struggling to make , proved his undoing. Gutted for him , a brilliant double Olympic medalist , not afraid to be a character! I hope he has a long future ahead of him , either in the professional game , or perhaps in the media . Many thanks to Paddy for all you have contributed to Irish sport!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2016, 11:37:44 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
Think he was a two time Olympian?
two time medalist #duh ::)
I see the keyboard kings are at it again in here and on social media anyone who knows boxing knows the toll it takes on the body to cut down to the weight. Paddy is boxing at that weight near 10 years it was just one to many cuts previous evidence of this can be seen in frampton who had to move up in weight mc Gregor in the ufc too and more recently pa jo hula dance and Steven ormond have all struggled to loose the required pounds. I think paddy knew getting to 49 was going to be a tough job but he badly wanted the gold that eluded him the last 2 Olympic Games. He went out fighting and was honest as ever in his assessment afterwards. He will be back but possibly as a pro. Twitter had nothing to do with anything he tweeted as much the last olympics also it's all a bit of light hearted fun. Defeated today but paddy is still one of Ireland's greatest ever a true Irish man a legend and a hero. Now for the others to bring home the medals.
Quote from: winghalfback on August 09, 2016, 01:34:53 AM
I see the keyboard kings are at it again in here and on social media anyone who knows boxing knows the toll it takes on the body to cut down to the weight. Paddy is boxing at that weight near 10 years it was just one to many cuts previous evidence of this can be seen in frampton who had to move up in weight mc Gregor in the ufc too and more recently pa jo hula dance and Steven ormond have all struggled to loose the required pounds. I think paddy knew getting to 49 was going to be a tough job but he badly wanted the gold that eluded him the last 2 Olympic Games. He went out fighting and was honest as ever in his assessment afterwards. He will be back but possibly as a pro. Twitter had nothing to do with anything he tweeted as much the last olympics also it's all a bit of light hearted fun. Defeated today but paddy is still one of Ireland's greatest ever a true Irish man a legend and a hero. Now for the others to bring home the medals.
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Agree with you 100 % , however should the boxing management have been aware that making the weight was going to be a problem.
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Quote from: winghalfback on August 09, 2016, 01:34:53 AM
I see the keyboard kings are at it again in here and on social media anyone who knows boxing knows the toll it takes on the body to cut down to the weight. Paddy is boxing at that weight near 10 years it was just one to many cuts previous evidence of this can be seen in frampton who had to move up in weight mc Gregor in the ufc too and more recently pa jo hula dance and Steven ormond have all struggled to loose the required pounds. I think paddy knew getting to 49 was going to be a tough job but he badly wanted the gold that eluded him the last 2 Olympic Games. He went out fighting and was honest as ever in his assessment afterwards. He will be back but possibly as a pro. Twitter had nothing to do with anything he tweeted as much the last olympics also it's all a bit of light hearted fun. Defeated today but paddy is still one of Ireland's greatest ever a true Irish man a legend and a hero. Now for the others to bring home the medals.
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Agree with you 100 % , however should the boxing management have been aware that making the weight was going to be a problem.
Possibly should have been but the fact rooster Irvine had qualified at 52kg and paddy was already qualified at @49 was a big bearing on it. Hindsight is a deadly thing we all know that. One thing for sure the Irish team will use paddys defeat as motivation nothing is a given inside the ring.
What weight did he win his medals in? All seems a bit odd that he hadn't fought in ages and his weight was 10 above what he was in.
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Does he struggle to get down to that weight? The other guy looked pretty fresh after the 3 rounds while paddy was gassed.
That's what he was implying - https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/762669876158705665
Refreshing honesty
Why would he fight at that weight if its a struggle for him to get down too?
Would he not be better off or actually would it not make more sense fighting at a weight that he can achieve or is that not how it works? I don't follow boxing much so don't know.
My comment was a bit of tongue and cheek remark about twitter. of course I wanted him to win but he was def struggling lethargic and unfit was obviously down to starving and dehydrating himself to make the weight. He was also unlucky that he was fighting early in the morning after the weigh ins as he hadn't much time for food and hydration either...
P.S. I thought you knew everything ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2016, 11:54:18 PM
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Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
No trolling, just finding it funny that you've taken more offence at Barnes giving McIlroy stick on twitter than McIlroy did! Settle petal, sometimes Rors can fight his own battles and doesn't need you to help.
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Quote from: Franko on August 08, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
No trolling, just finding it funny that you've taken more offence at Barnes giving McIlroy stick on twitter than McIlroy did! Settle petal, sometimes Rors can fight his own battles and doesn't need you to help.
I think me taking offence is a little bit OTT I had a pop like a lot of others (that you have failed to say to, so trolling me about it is right) have done because he had some twitter banter with Rory (what is the world coming to)
Met Paddy a few times, watched his career as he boxed Carl a few times and he was best man at Carl's wedding, he's a decent spud with a good sense of humour, I have always wanted him to do well... this is just banter, so you'd do well to keep your pants on and not be trolling me for my posts
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Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
No trolling, just finding it funny that you've taken more offence at Barnes giving McIlroy stick on twitter than McIlroy did! Settle petal, sometimes Rors can fight his own battles and doesn't need you to help.
I think me taking offence is a little bit OTT I had a pop like a lot of others (that you have failed to say to, so trolling me about it is right) have done because he had some twitter banter with Rory (what is the world coming to)
Met Paddy a few times, watched his career as he boxed Carl a few times and he was best man at Carl's wedding, he's a decent spud with a good sense of humour, I have always wanted him to do well... this is just banter, so you'd do well to keep your pants on and not be trolling me for my posts
Would've loved to have heard that speech
Lets just say, May McFettridge who was in attendance had plenty material after that
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Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
No trolling, just finding it funny that you've taken more offence at Barnes giving McIlroy stick on twitter than McIlroy did! Settle petal, sometimes Rors can fight his own battles and doesn't need you to help.
I think me taking offence is a little bit OTT I had a pop like a lot of others (that you have failed to say to, so trolling me about it is right) have done because he had some twitter banter with Rory (what is the world coming to)
Met Paddy a few times, watched his career as he boxed Carl a few times and he was best man at Carl's wedding, he's a decent spud with a good sense of humour, I have always wanted him to do well... this is just banter, so you'd do well to keep your pants on and not be trolling me for my posts
Would've loved to have heard that speech
Lets just say, May McFettridge who was in attendance had plenty material after that
Jesus MR2, you Paddy Barnes, Frampton and May McFettridge sounds like the beginning to a very bad joke.
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Quote from: longballin on August 08, 2016, 11:34:10 PM
Some experts putting the boot in here to a two time Olympic medalist.
MR2 messes his trousers every time someone criticises McIlroy. Barnes did it and is now feeling the wrath of our keyboard warrior. He's even trying to take one of his Olympic medals off him now ffs.
I watching the heavyweight fight, I thought he was commenting on the 2 time Olympian who was fighting, keep your trunks on franko
Troll much??
No trolling, just finding it funny that you've taken more offence at Barnes giving McIlroy stick on twitter than McIlroy did! Settle petal, sometimes Rors can fight his own battles and doesn't need you to help.
I think me taking offence is a little bit OTT I had a pop like a lot of others (that you have failed to say to, so trolling me about it is right) have done because he had some twitter banter with Rory (what is the world coming to)
Met Paddy a few times, watched his career as he boxed Carl a few times and he was best man at Carl's wedding, he's a decent spud with a good sense of humour, I have always wanted him to do well... this is just banter, so you'd do well to keep your pants on and not be trolling me for my posts
Would've loved to have heard that speech
Lets just say, May McFettridge who was in attendance had plenty material after that
Jesus MR2, you Paddy Barnes, Frampton and May McFettridge sounds like the beginning to a very bad joke.
;D
You love name dropping MR2, absolutely love it.
Me and Carl
Me and Barnesy.
Its nauseating mate
Good to see Paddy hasn't lost his sense of humour.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 09, 2016, 01:58:48 PM
You love name dropping MR2, absolutely love it.
Me and Carl
Me and Barnesy.
Its nauseating mate
:-X
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 09, 2016, 01:58:48 PM
You love name dropping MR2, absolutely love it.
Me and Carl
Me and Barnesy.
Its nauseating mate
Name dropping lol!! Married into family so hardly name dropping and PB was at wedding! fcuk get a life
PB?
Pierce Brosnan?
Pat Benatar?
Paul Brady?
Pope Benedict?
You're out of control.
Given that Barnes' gold from Glasgow and his WSB boxing appearances were all at Fly, why was he back down to Light Fly in Rio? Would he have had to re qualify?
Quote from: gallsman on August 09, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Given that Barnes' gold from Glasgow and his WSB boxing appearances were all at Fly, why was he back down to Fly in Rio? Would he have had to re qualify?
Am I right in saying he fought the same weight at 3 Olympic Games aged 21 , 25 and 29 ??
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2016, 04:02:04 PM
PB?
Pierce Brosnan?
Pat Benatar?
Paul Brady?
Pope Benedict?
You're out of control.
Paul Buchanan ;D
PB - Personal Best obviously. :D
David Oliver Joyce beaten by the no.2 seed from Azerbaijan. Lost 29-28 on all 3 judges scorecards, brilliant effort against a real classy opponent.
DOJ well beat . A decent effort but Selimov a class act .
The three pro boxers who entered the Olympics are all out by day 5. 😂
Quote from: ashman on August 09, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
DOJ well beat . A decent effort but Selimov a class act .
Yep. A class apart really. Foot movement was brilliant.
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Quote from: ashman on August 09, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
DOJ well beat . A decent effort but Selimov a class act .
Yep. A class apart really. Foot movement was brilliant.
Wonderful feet and great hand speed . To be fair to Joyce he did very well.
Selimov beat lomachenko, good performance from Joyce. The draw could have been nicer to him.
Any source lads for the 'Class A' claims being made here?
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2016, 04:02:04 PM
PB?
Pierce Brosnan?
Pat Benatar?
Paul Brady?
Pope Benedict?
You're out of control.
Dont encourage him FFS
Joe Ward beat! Terrible performance. Looked tired and let his opponent bring him down to his level. Not going well so far for Ireland.
F*cking disaster. Possibly a bit unlucky but didn't perform the way he can, terribly disappointing for him
Even blamed the ref. That's not high performance Billy Walsh's loss is been felt massively. All our boxers so far look poorly prepared no wonder some are looking to PEDs.
Another disastrous result for the Irish boxers. That fight was just a mess from start to finish, and it was mostly the Ecuadorians fault. It is inexplicable really, the form of the Irish boxers has been so poor. 3 of the 4 fighters so far being eliminated in the opening fight is not what was expected.
Billy Walsh is laughing all the way to the bank. stupid short sighted decision to let him go.
How are the US team getting on? It seemed crazy at the time to let Walsh go, and it seems crazier now.
They are guaranteed a medal - not sure what weight but apparently this is a big improvement after no medals at London. (According to Evanne Ni chuilinn twitter).
terrible fight. ward allowed himself to be brought down to that level. awkward opponent but at times it resembled a street brawl fs.
Ward has to feel slightly aggrieved though having been deducted 2 points because of the warnings from the Ref and no points deducted from his opponent. They were both equally as bad.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 11, 2016, 10:11:20 AM
terrible fight. ward allowed himself to be brought down to that level. awkward opponent but at times it resembled a street brawl fs.
Ward has to feel slightly aggrieved though having been deducted 2 points because of the warnings from the Ref and no points deducted from his opponent. They were both equally as bad.
I don't think so it looked to me that your man's style made Ward uncomfortable and he was holding him as much as possible. He definitely seemed out of puff halfway through the 3rd as well.
Your man was all over the place but he kept steaming forward, I thought it was just a matter of Ward staying covered up and waiting for an opportunity because the other fighter was wide open on a lot of occasions but it never happened.
Ward was shite from what I was watching. He was doing a lot of holding if not more than the other fella and let himself get into a brawl. Towards the end of the fight he was swinging wildly and looked completely fucked. Didn't perform at all. Olympics has been a disaster for the boxing team. Maybe we aren't as good as we think we are. A lot of pressure on Taylor and Conlon now.
Donnelly on now.
Fairly even Donnelly a bit wild at times!!
Donnelly fresh
Good scrap this neither lad afraid to get stuck in... can't see either of them troubling the gold though!
Think he's just about done enough hopefully!
Phew! He was just that bit more disciplined. Yer man wanted a war.
Has the change in the scoring system affected how we are getting on?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2016, 05:34:41 PM
Has the change in the scoring system affected how we are getting on?
Surely they would have adapted to the scoring system, was it the same system used for qualifying??
That british guy fairly nailed the uzbekastanian guy. Actually one of those knockouts that was uncomfortable to watch with about 3 blows landing perfectly.
Good to see donnelly through. Be great to see him medal. Lot of pressure on conlan now too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2016, 09:57:09 PM
That british guy fairly nailed the uzbekastanian guy. Actually one of those knockouts that was uncomfortable to watch with about 3 blows landing perfectly.
Good to see donnelly through. Be great to see him medal. Lot of pressure on conlan now too.
Hit him some slap alright. Cut above his eye as well.
When does Mick conlon Fight?
I think it's sunday - not sure on time. He got a bye I think hence the delay.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2016, 08:54:55 AM
I think it's sunday - not sure on time. He got a bye I think hence the delay.
Half 3 Sunday
Irvine getting outclassed here.
Yep, his opponent too good.
Donnelly will be up against it here as well, I fear.
And then there were 2! Stevie Donnelly went out battling as did rooster to better opponents just. Donnellys got to be very proud of his achievements t.hus far at the olympics rooster will be much stronger come Tokyo where I'll guess he will be boxing at 56kg. Donnelly too if he hangs about.
Can't see anything in conlons division so far in the competition to cause him any harm haven't seen the Cuban or the American yet tho
The Cuban is the same one who utterly outclassed him and won gold in London as a 19 year old. Will be a threat.
The first week was a clusterfuck for the boxers. First round defeats and everything . Would it have been any different with Billy Walsh around? Are they not good enough or is it something else?
Hopefully Conlan and Taylor can save the day.
Quote from: seafoid on August 14, 2016, 01:58:30 PM
The first week was a clusterfuck for the boxers. First round defeats and everything . Would it have been any different with Billy Walsh around? Are they not good enough or is it something else?
Hopefully Conlan and Taylor can save the day.
Lets be honest, bar the rowers Ireland have been shit
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Quote from: seafoid on August 14, 2016, 01:58:30 PM
The first week was a clusterfuck for the boxers. First round defeats and everything . Would it have been any different with Billy Walsh around? Are they not good enough or is it something else?
Hopefully Conlan and Taylor can save the day.
Lets be honest, bar the rowers Ireland have been shit
I presume you're on the wind up!
In reality Ireland's "success" or lack of it has to be put into context. Apart from the fact that we have a population of 6.5 million compared to UK population of 65m, and world population 7500m, different countries have different resources.
An Irish sportsperson getting to top 10 or indeed top 100 in an Olympic sport is noteworthy . The arbitrary decision to reward only top 3 in any sport doesn't mean that they "have been shit" if they don't get a medal. Irish Athletes at the top level will focus on "being the best they can be" and if on the rare occasions their PB is good enough to earn a medal then it's a massive achievement on a world scale. We regularly are top end performers in rowing, sailing, running , equestrian , and particularly boxing.
Many of our best sports people Are in GAA, racing , rugby , motorsports , none of which are Olympic sports. We have 2 recent world number 1s in frampton and mcilroy who are not in Rio . In fact , Golf is a sport in which we are world leaders but none of our top men are in Rio( & I respect the reasons for this) .
Other countries can effectively throw money in to minority sports and put themselves in a position to win medals eg millions ploughed in to Cycling in the UK( & fair play to them).
Ireland on a fraction of the resources of other countries above them in the Olympic medals table have enjoyed some incredible successes over the years in & out of Olympic competition . To describe the performance of any Olympian as "shit" is comical , as an Olympian by definition have proven themselves as exceptional to even get on the plane to Rio!
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The first week was a clusterfuck for the boxers. First round defeats and everything . Would it have been any different with Billy Walsh around? Are they not good enough or is it something else?
Hopefully Conlan and Taylor can save the day.
Lets be honest, bar the rowers Ireland have been shit
I presume you're on the wind up!
In reality Ireland's "success" or lack of it has to be put into context. Apart from the fact that we have a population of 6.5 million compared to UK population of 65m, and world population 7500m, different countries have different resources.
An Irish sportsperson getting to top 10 or indeed top 100 in an Olympic sport is noteworthy . The arbitrary decision to reward only top 3 in any sport doesn't mean that they "have been shit" if they don't get a medal. Irish Athletes at the top level will focus on "being the best they can be" and if on the rare occasions their PB is good enough to earn a medal then it's a massive achievement on a world scale. We regularly are top end performers in rowing, sailing, running , equestrian , and particularly boxing.
Many of our best sports people Are in GAA, racing , rugby , motorsports , none of which are Olympic sports. We have 2 recent world number 1s in frampton and mcilroy who are not in Rio . In fact , Golf is a sport in which we are world leaders but none of our top men are in Rio( & I respect the reasons for this) .
Other countries can effectively throw money in to minority sports and put themselves in a position to win medals eg millions ploughed in to Cycling in the UK( & fair play to them).
Ireland on a fraction of the resources of other countries above them in the Olympic medals table have enjoyed some incredible successes over the years in & out of Olympic competition . To describe the performance of any Olympian as "shit" is comical , as an Olympian by definition have proven themselves as exceptional to even get on the plane to Rio!
Amazing how it has risen so quickly in recent years.
(http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/ireland-population@2x.png?s=irl+sp.pop.totl&v=201607041750n&d1=19160101&d2=20161231)
You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
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You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
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I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Comfortable first outing for conlan never in danger there.
Seeing as this is a boxing thread....Mick Conlon fought well...stood toe to toe and won comfortably
Probably willing to stand and fight too much. Three fights this week on top of that one so the less he gets hit the better. Don't need him Donnelly'd.
Himself and Katie have huge pressure on their shoulders now to rescue a desperately disappointing and near disastrous Olympics..
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You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
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I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Most sports art the Olympics would be covered by all-Island federations.
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Quote from: gallsman on August 14, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
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I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Most sports art the Olympics would be covered by all-Island federations.
Out of interest, how many on "Team GB" are from the 6 counties?
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You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
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I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Most sports art the Olympics would be covered by all-Island federations.
Out of interest, how many on "Team GB" are from the 6 counties?
Does not look to be any! There is a lad from Sunderland called Pat McCormack, has to have Irish roots with a name like that?
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Quote from: gallsman on August 14, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
??
I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Most sports art the Olympics would be covered by all-Island federations.
Out of interest, how many on "Team GB" are from the 6 counties?
Few hockey lads, rowers, archery fella from Banbridge that I know of. I remember seeing somewhere there was about 30 from the black north representing Ireland or GB.
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Quote from: gallsman on August 14, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
You're being deliberately disingenuous there Muppet.
??
I didn't find a chart with a combined population.
Most sports art the Olympics would be covered by all-Island federations.
Out of interest, how many on "Team GB" are from the 6 counties?
Few hockey lads, rowers, archery fella from Banbridge that I know of. I remember seeing somewhere there was about 30 from the black north representing Ireland or GB.
Something like 28 people from the 6 counties involved 21 on team Ireland
What about the recent revelations from John Conlon regarding Michael o Reilly serious questions need asked. Absolutely shocking stuff ye wouldn't get away with it on a junior b reserve panel never mind on a team planning to bring back a serious amount of medals. I think this goes higher than Zaur and John I think it's the same set up who let Billy Walsh go. I'm absolutely disgusted.
It isn't always choice either. Standard higher across the board on the british team so a lot will be good enough for the irish team but not the GB team. There's never much controversy in that area. Only one I ever remember was in any way controversial was McIlroy from Larne who ran for Ireland then switched whenever he was good enough for GB.
What are the revelations whb?
The only lasting good to come from Rio can be overhauling the old boy's club in the IABA. If Shane Ross got rid of some of them and Hickey he'd have done his job well.
Getting rid of the lads who ran Walsh is the prerequisite to ever having a shot at getting him back.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2016, 12:17:57 PM
It isn't always choice either. Standard higher across the board on the british team so a lot will be good enough for the irish team but not the GB team. There's never much controversy in that area. Only one I ever remember was in any way controversial was McIlroy from Larne who ran for Ireland then switched whenever he was good enough for GB.
What are the revelations whb?
Conlan reckoned none of the coaching staff saw O'Reilly for 8 weeks before he boarded the plane to Rio!!
Ouch.
Was talking to a Cork guy yesterday watching the hurling and he was saying what the boxing coach was looking for Ireland could never give so he left.....
Never got round to asking as the gaa talked carried on
....
American perspective on Billy Walsh - http://www.si.com/olympics/2016/08/14/usa-boxing-billy-walsh-rio-olympics?xid=si_social (http://www.si.com/olympics/2016/08/14/usa-boxing-billy-walsh-rio-olympics?xid=si_social)
Taylor in Trouble? :-\
Well f**k that for a game of soldiers.
Yup. Big shock.
I thought she'd won to be honest. Harsh.
The fighters were level on score cards. One went 39-37 to Taylor, one 39-37 to Potkonen and one 38-38. The judges then award to Potkonen.
The old scoring system of points suited our boxers. The Professional system does not?
Pure fix. She won that more than she won her gold medal fight.
Serious questions for the Irish Olympic management to answer too
Katie Taylor is finished. Never saw someones career fall apart as quickly at amateur level.
Turns out we aren't that great at boxing then. People talking about possible 8 medals from the boxers this Olympics. Disaster.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
Katie Taylor is finished. Never saw someones career fall apart as quickly at amateur level.
::) ::) ::)
Anyone know the nature of her split from her father? Really has been struggling since the time that happened..
Quote from: mouview on August 15, 2016, 03:30:40 PM
Anyone know the nature of her split from her father? Really has been struggling since the time that happened..
There are a few runours going around, well one in particular that I heard a couple of times but I dunno how true it is.
It's like some big change happened our HPU, if only we knew what it was
https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765193088079831040 (https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765193088079831040)
Tough watch this interview
QuoteAnyone know the nature of her split from her father? Really has been struggling since the time that happened..
Enough speculation around without people adding to it here
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
Turns out we aren't that great at boxing then. People talking about possible 8 medals from the boxers this Olympics. Disaster.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/rio-2016-money-talks-in-world-s-greatest-amateur-event-1.2746867 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/rio-2016-money-talks-in-world-s-greatest-amateur-event-1.2746867)
Funding is up from 2012.
Can't be that.
Floored. Rio has been a total farce for our only unit that was anything close to competitive on the world stage.
Quote from: Declan on August 15, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765193088079831040 (https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765193088079831040)
Tough watch this interview
QuoteAnyone know the nature of her split from her father? Really has been struggling since the time that happened..
Enough speculation around without people adding to it here
Very tough watch. She's a great girl, and a credit to our country. Fair play to her for what she has done. Its obvious that this has not been going well for a good few months now, but she has been a constant bright light for Ireland for years.
What age is she now?
Is Tokyo beyond her?
Great champion and one of Ireland's greatest ever sports people.
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
The girl that just beat her was 35 or something so you never know.
Maybe she will go pro and make a few quid before she retires.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
She'll be a 34 year old woman. Can she put her life on hold for another 4 years for another piece of metal?
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
The girl that just beat her was 35 or something so you never know.
Maybe she will go pro and make a few quid before she retires.
Near zero money in the pro women's game. Would make more winning another Olympic medal in all likelihood.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
The boxers seem to be holding the party line fairly well. I always assumed that Walsh was extremely well got by the boxers, but maybe not? Michael Conlon's interview is fairly harsh, but maybe it's just because they are sick of being asked about it.
Its a small relatively new sport, not a lot worldwide decent boxers to navigate through and she was at the forefront for a longtime, she's made the sport so popular, probably thousands of girls in ireland and Britain have taken up the sport because of her...
Maybe the athletes haven't acclimatised properly or haven't conditioned themselves accordingly... Either way Ireland has underperform in areas that it was expected to do well in... It happens
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
The boxers seem to be holding the party line fairly well. I always assumed that Walsh was extremely well got by the boxers, but maybe not? Michael Conlon's interview is fairly harsh, but maybe it's just because they are sick of being asked about it.
In fairness I think Michael Conlon's father is on the coaching team so he is hardly likely to say anything against the present coaches.
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Quote from: laoislad on August 15, 2016, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
The girl that just beat her was 35 or something so you never know.
Maybe she will go pro and make a few quid before she retires.
Near zero money in the pro women's game. Would make more winning another Olympic medal in all likelihood.
Tough on her given that Women's boxing wasn't an Olympic sport for a number of years while she was dominating it. I didn't see the fight but it sounds like it could have gone either way!
Has anything come to light about why her Dad isn't involved anymore?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
The boxers seem to be holding the party line fairly well. I always assumed that Walsh was extremely well got by the boxers, but maybe not? Michael Conlon's interview is fairly harsh, but maybe it's just because they are sick of being asked about it.
Yeah, you can't blame them for not pushing their current team under the bus.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/michael-conlan-keen-fantastic-billy-walsh-stays-in-job-359941.html
I've heard that Walsh was great at keeping a couple of the more wayward boxers on track. I'm sure he managed it in a subtle way too.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
The boxers seem to be holding the party line fairly well. I always assumed that Walsh was extremely well got by the boxers, but maybe not? Michael Conlon's interview is fairly harsh, but maybe it's just because they are sick of being asked about it.
It's not just party line with Conlon, he has to believe his preparation is spot on, he can't admit that Walsh leaving would affect his preparation.
HPU would focus on Lifestyle, technical, physical, tactical and mental. From speaking to one of the S&C coaches Walshes biggest input was on the mental and lifestyle preparation of the boxers. The fact they are coming out blaming referees etc tells me they are not mentally tuned in, these boxers should only be worried about their performance, referees are uncontrollables.
The Finnish boxer trained with the USA, who is over them again?
Very hard for her - I met her once and she is just as self effacing and humble away from the spotlight as she is when being interviewed. Hope she gets over it, she is an incredible pioneer and sportswoman.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
Any chance the loss of Pete Taylor was connected to Walsh's exit?
QuoteAny chance the loss of Pete Taylor was connected to Walsh's exit?
No connection.
I read on another forum he was caught sneaking about behind the wife's back. This of course could be a load of shite.
https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765201272643256320 (https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/765201272643256320)
See Zaur thought it wasn't even close
Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
Any chance the loss of Pete Taylor was connected to Walsh's exit?
Not unless Pete was playing away from home with Billy!
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Quote from: muppet on August 15, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 15, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
I'd say in Katie's case the loss of Pete Taylor is a bigger factor than the Billy Walsh exit.
That said, it just goes to show you how tight the margins are in elite preparation. I'd say the Walsh factor was the extra grain of rice that tipped the scales in so many situations. The smallest of bad decisions can have an athlete undercooked, or over trained, or distracted, or tactically misdirected.
Whatever it was that Walsh had probably wasn't obvious to those who claimed there were 20 other coaches in Ireland who could do as good a job as him.
Any chance the loss of Pete Taylor was connected to Walsh's exit?
Not unless Pete was playing away from home with Billy!
I am beginning to get the picture.
I seeeeee.
What Taylor did was immense. Olympic gold is so hard to win. She went down fighting rather than tampering with a urine sample.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
She's 30 since july. 34 would be a stretch I'd say, but if she was in good form, who knows. The fact is she hasn't really been in good form, so 4 years from now probably looks like a million miles away to her.
The girl that just beat her was 35 or something so you never know.
Maybe she will go pro and make a few quid before she retires.
Near zero money in the pro women's game. Would make more winning another Olympic medal in all likelihood.
Tough on her given that Women's boxing wasn't an Olympic sport for a number of years while she was dominating it. I didn't see the fight but it sounds like it could have gone either way!
Has anything come to light about why her Dad isn't involved anymore?
Plenty of rumours but none for consumption here. Billy Walsh was the glue that held the Irish boxing system together. Likes of Michael Carruth are never going to criticise the IABA with his brother at the helm. But it's a well known fact that they are a shambles behind the scenes.
Walsh made hard decisions as a head coach and was completely in charge of their preparation. The coaches left are excellent technical coaches but they aren't managers. A lot of these kids are from the wrong sides of the tracks and need a lot of managing. There is also a train of thought that the Irish boxers went out far too late to Rio. The USA for example were there a week earlier- who trains them again?
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 15, 2016, 04:04:36 PM
Very hard for her - I met her once and she is just as self effacing and humble away from the spotlight as she is when being interviewed. Hope she gets over it, she is an incredible pioneer and sportswoman.
I'd agree with that. She referred in her post fight interview that this year has been incredibly difficult for her and it was obvious she was not just talking about the odd defeat or a drop in her boxing standards. I hope she sticks at it.
:(
Quote from: seafoid on August 15, 2016, 07:31:09 PM
What Taylor did was immense. Olympic gold is so hard to win. She went down fighting rather than tampering with a urine sample.
Clean??
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/comment-loss-of-billy-walsh-has-led-to-implosion-of-irish-boxing-1.2757196
Comment: Loss of Billy Walsh has led to implosion of Irish boxing
Katie Taylor's defeat is the final straw for a sport that's in crisis
Johnny Watterson in Rio
The defeat of Katie Taylor in her first fight in Rio brings boxing in a full circle. A week beginning with scandal has ended in disappointment as Paddy Barnes and Joe Ward failed to live up to expectations, Michael O'Reilly was sent home and is probably going to be banned from boxing, and now the number one lightweight in the world and defending Olympic champion is out of the tournament. Irish Boxing has imploded.
In a timely piece on Sunday in Sports Illustrated, the headline read: "Under Billy Walsh's guidance, USA boxing experiencing a tremendous turnaround."
At that stage the Americans had won 10 and lost three fights. In the text of the piece the writer quotes Michael Martino, executive director of USA Boxing. "We did an international search," he says, "and Billy Walsh was highly recommended."
In an Oireachtas hearing last October, John Treacy, chief executive of Sport Ireland said: "I would say our confidence [IN IABA]is shaken." Treacy added: "We were told there were 20 coaches who could do the job of Billy Walsh."
In a sense boxing was bulletproof. The boxers kept collecting the medals at European and World Championships. The cracks were papered over and life moved on until now.
In the four years since London, Irish boxing has changed and has done so in a chaotic manner. At London 2012 both Katie's father Pete Taylor and Walsh were in the corner for her gold medal win over Sofya Ochigava.
Pete was also in her corner in Jeju, South Korea in 2014, where she won her sixth successive World Championship. Prior to that Gary Keegan was also in the sport, setting up the elite systems.
All of that sporting intelligence has gone from boxing and in Walsh's case his experience is now working against Ireland. No one has replaced him. Instead coaches, all respected, have filled in around.
But since Pete's departure before Christmas, Katie's form has not so much dipped as taken a nosedive.
Beaten three times
In a Rio qualification event earlier this year she was beaten by Yana Alekseevna and later, at the World Championships in Astana, she was beaten for a second time by Estelle Mossely. Mira Potkonen's win at the Riocentro Arena was the third in a matter of months.
Southpaw Alekseevna's win was a surprise, Mossely's a shock and Potkonen's worrying. The Finn has been to Ireland a number of times to fight in Katie's shows around Bray. She has never been close to beating her.
"I thought I did do enough to win but I should be winning those fights a bit more convincingly," she said after the fight.
It was the same in Astana against the French lightweight.
Katie fought a tight fight. Her camp believed she had done enough to win it but the judges went for Mossely.
In the past her performances have been so uptempo that they have never been left to the subjectivity of judges but have, like all of her previous fights against Potkonen, been convincing and one-sided.
Challenging year
Prior to the first defeat this year Katie had not been beaten in World or European level since her first European Championship win in Tonsberg in 2005.
"I feel like it's obviously been a very, very challenging year," said Katie yesterday, maybe understating it.
She is now 30 years old – age isn't the issue. But the changes in the people around her are certain to have had an influence. Pete didn't just coach Katie in tactics and training but ran her boxing life.
He was detailed, protective and people in boxing would say difficult to work with. But his system worked for Katie and gave her certainty and direction in her boxing and her career in general.
While the Irish coaches have railed against the quality of judging, that doesn't explain the three defeats in as many months for Katie nor Ward's decision to fight rather than box nor Barnes's evident lack of energy at 49kg.
Less transparent
The 10-point must scoring system is less transparent from the round-by-round points, but looking at that as a factor in terms of this year's results isn't credible. Katie has become less effective and her opponents have improved.
Her issue is a specific one, that of boxing a general one. The IABA have not replaced Walsh, or replaced the job he did, which was as much a manager of people who communicated well.
He was an overseer and while the boxers are happy with the coaches they have, that is not the issue. The IABA has not trawled the world as the Americans did.
Now Katie Taylor, Paddy Barnes and Joe Ward will go home and consider their futures in a changing landscape.
Interesting from Walsh on the judging as well
https://twitter.com/france24/status/765314292430180352 (https://twitter.com/france24/status/765314292430180352)
Levit surely won the heavyweight final for Kazakhstan. Some of the judging so far has been a joke.
Just watched a Rusian win the heavyweight gold when it looked for all the world that the Kazakh had beaten him. Boos ringing out after the fight, judging has been poor in some of the fights I seen.
Some decision there for the Russian over the Kazak!! Bit of a joke.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2016, 11:48:35 PM
Just watched a Rusian win the heavyweight gold when it looked for all the world that the Kazakh had beaten him. Boos ringing out after the fight, judging has been poor in some of the fights I seen.
With a Russian involved...... God knows what intrigue went into that decision.
Is there any grounds for appeal for the Kazakh? Better judges than me are saying it was Roy Jones embarrassingly bad. The Russian was pummelled yet got the decision.
In fairness to the Russian, he was embarrassed with it himself
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2016, 11:55:18 PM
Is there any grounds for appeal for the Kazakh? Better judges than me are saying it was Roy Jones embarrassingly bad. The Russian was pummelled yet got the decision.
What would their grounds for appeal be though? I think there has been appeals before but on technical grounds. Like a boxer getting a warning but judges not taking warning into account.
This just looks a bit sinister. A good nobbling job by the Russians is my guess.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2016, 11:55:18 PM
Is there any grounds for appeal for the Kazakh? Better judges than me are saying it was Roy Jones embarrassingly bad. The Russian was pummelled yet got the decision.
What would their grounds for appeal be though? I think there has been appeals before but on technical grounds. Like a boxer getting a warning but judges not taking warning into account.
This just looks a bit sinister. A good nobbling job by the Russians is my guess.
Against crooked judges. I haven't seen one commentator make a logical case for the Russian having won the fight and yet all 3 judges scored the fight in his favour. I smell a rat there. Apparently a Japanese appealed a decision in London in 2012 and got the decision overturned, doubt anything will happen here but it was the worst decision I think I have seen in boxing for some time. The crowd reaction and that of the Russian boxer said it all.
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Oh dear! Hopefully he was the one that went with the Russian.
In the London bout the Japanese fighter was behind after 2 rounds but knocked his opponent down 5 times in round 3 and he had also been awarded two-point penalty. The Kazak doesn t have those kind of grounds for appeal?
Very unlikely that they would reverse a decision and send the judges home.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Oh dear! Hopefully he was the one that went with the Russian.
In the London bout the Japanese fighter was behind after 2 rounds but knocked his opponent down 5 times in round 3 and he had also been awarded two-point penalty. The Kazak doesn t have those kind of grounds for appeal?
Very unlikely that they would reverse a decision and send the judges home.
Yes, I don't expect anything to happen in terms of overturning the decision but it puts a massive cloud over the boxing competition in general. The only way the Kazakh was ever going to win that fight was by knocking him out and even when that looked likely in round 3 the referee intervened.
A disgrace the Kazakh blaggarded and to be fair to the Russian lad he seemed embarrassed .
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 12:55:35 AM
A disgrace the Kazakh blaggarded and to be fair to the Russian lad he seemed embarrassed .
It stinks and whatever shenanigans was behind that the Russian lad just a pawn.
It will be interesting to see how Russians do in other events where medals are decided by 'judges' rather than times and distance thrown.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Oh dear! Hopefully he was the one that went with the Russian.
You mean hopefully he was the one who went with the Kazakh??
Anyway. it was an unanimous decision.
What does it cost to buy such a decision?
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Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 12:47:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Oh dear! Hopefully he was the one that went with the Russian.
You mean hopefully he was the one who went with the Kazakh??
Anyway. it was an unanimous decision.
What does it cost to buy such a decision?
A Rolex maybe?
Yeah. I meant to say the Kazak but seeing it was unanimous it looks like Paddy got a Rolex as well.
Irish judge Michael Gallagher scored last two rounds of that heavyweight final to Tischenko. Someone needs to ask him to explain it alright
Makes you wonder how Conlan will get on against the Russian.
:'(
Quote from: Declan on August 16, 2016, 08:09:26 AM
Irish judge Michael Gallagher scored last two rounds of that heavyweight final to Tischenko. Someone needs to ask him to explain it alright
Makes you wonder how Conlan will get on against the Russian.
Would need 3 Ukrainian judges to win that..... As 3 Irish judges would be hopeless
This olympics gets worse every day.
Pat Hickey was backing the Russians recently over the suspensions controversy.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
One of the judges listed before the fight started was Irish too, why are we always involved!!
Because we love a bribe, we love not paying taxes, we love brown envelopes, we love strokes and we love getting one overs, we love getting our mates on quangos, we love skipping queues, we love knowing a mate who knows someone, we love short-cuts, we love by-passing process, we love a rouge....
I don't love rouge. It makes a girl look like she has scarlet fever.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
I don't love rouge. It makes a girl look like she has scarlet fever.
Ladies pinch. Whores use rouge.
Quote from: Declan on August 16, 2016, 08:09:26 AM
Irish judge Michael Gallagher scored last two rounds of that heavyweight final to Tischenko. Someone needs to ask him to explain it alright
Makes you wonder how Conlan will get on against the Russian.
I wouldn t be hopeful for Conlon.
First because it's a Russian.
Secondly, the Irish panel are their usual over-confident selves. Never good that.
Fancy Conlon myself, best Irish boxer by some distance.
Brawler v Boxer
That is just bullshit
First round scoring lol!
Corrupt as fcuk. The Russian is a wild swinger missing constantly.
The only thing I can think of is that they are rewarding someone who holds the centre of the ring and walks forward. There's no question about who landed the most punches.
BBC commentators puzzled too
Absolute joke
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
The only thing I can think of is that they are rewarding someone who holds the centre of the ring and walks forward. There's no question about who landed the most punches.
They didn t reward the Kazak last night who was the aggressor as well as better boxer. So I dunno. If boxing can t get its judging in order it should be thrown out of Olympics to fook.
He may well have lost that last round. Should have been 2-0 up before that though.
Hmmmmm :-\
Oh dear
As feared. The Russian landed a few heavy punches, and that seems to impress the corrupt bastards more. That first round was a travesty.
That is sickening. Really thought he could have won the gold.
Ridiculous. Not as bad as last nights heavyweight final where another Russian got the decision mind you but ridiculous nonetheless.
First round was the clincher. Conlon won 2 rounds clearly.
Arguably Russian landed best shots in the third.
Joke of a sport. Should be thrown out to fook.
Unbelievable, Conlan won that fight, he definitely won the first two rounds, and definitely wasn't beaten in the 3rd! Talk about corrupt!
Time to pull out of these competitions . Conlan blaggarded .
f**king joke.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 03:52:09 PM
First round was the clincher. Conlon won 2 rounds clearly.
Arguably Russian landed best shots in the third.
Joke of a sport. Should be thrown out to fook.
Agree. The third round was much more level, and he did land a few. If it was the old system though, I'm sure Conlon would have had more scoring shots, but the Russians were heavier. He wanted to walk forward, take punishment and land heavy shots, like a certain type of Pro boxer. Amateur boxing should be about technical skills, landing punches and avoiding punches.
unreal decision, 4 years work for that! bbc men 'speechless' 'robbed' re the result
29-28 for all 3 rounds (keep it close nudge nudge wink wink)
Some interview there from Conlan
This "regarding the aggressor " is bollox . The game is hooky .
What'd he say?
Fucked and blinded all around him, and called it corrupt. That was a brilliant interview.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
Fucked and blinded all around him, and called it corrupt. That was a brilliant interview.
That on RTE or BBC?
Maybe they should have given Conlon time to calm down before talking to him. Poor lad. How can any kid dedicate to a joke of a sport like that?
True Moysider, but maybe an interview like that, with some harsh truths, might make people at least sit up and cop on.
interview was on RTE screenexile.
Quote from: screenexile on August 16, 2016, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
Fucked and blinded all around him, and called it corrupt. That was a brilliant interview.
That on RTE or BBC?
he let it all out on bbc there and fair dues to him. Advised no fighter to go near it as 'they're' corrupt. Olympic dream robbed by a crowd of cheaters etc
By the sound of it he's about right.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 03:58:09 PM
True Moysider, but maybe an interview like that, with some harsh truths, might make people at least sit up and cop on.
interview was on RTE screenexile.
It ll change nothing. It ll be treated as sour grapes, whinging and bad manners by the people the run the sport.
The sport should be suspended from the Olympics, full stop.
We can safely assume he is going pro ???
Can't blame the lad TBH .
The Olympics have descended into a joke in recent years and for the life of me I don't understand how anyone could possibly take it seriously. W@nkers telling you about the great sporting event this is need a f**king slap round the head.
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 04:02:52 PM
We can safely assume he is going pro ???
Can't blame the lad TBH .
Absolutely not. I'm actually angry after looking at that.
Brilliant interview from Conlon. Pure raw emotion and someone calling it as it is
Quote from: trileacman on August 16, 2016, 04:04:05 PM
The Olympics have descended into a joke in recent years and for the life of me I don't understand how anyone could possibly take it seriously. W@nkers telling you about the great sporting event this is need a f**king slap round the head.
This is a boxing problem surely. Recent years? The Roy Jones fight is nearly 30 years ago and this shit is still happening.
Would have given Conlon the first two - actually thought the Russian won the third. Still robbery as the first was clearly his. Agree with Trileacman - deliberately haven't engaged with this Olympics as the whole movement is a farce at this stage.
Do they release Stats? Shots landed etc...
The start of the interview is on Paddypower's twitter . . . hard hitting stuff I haven't seen the fight but twitter has completely lost the plot including the British Press.
Here's a story from 2 weeks ago!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/01/rio-2016-olympics-boxing-corruption-allegations
Why did they change back to the 10-9 scoring? The points stuff at least highllghted when one judge was missing clear punches.I mean, this was blatant as blatant can be.
Time to dump the olympics corrupt as fcuk.
Any Offaly lads out there. By Jaysus if anything merited a sit down, that did. I didn't see the Ukrainian last night, but that was apparently as bad.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 04:13:30 PM
Any Offaly lads out there. By Jaysus if anything merited a sit down, that did. I didn't see the Ukrainian last night, but that was apparently as bad.
It was another Russian in the heavyweight final and it was worse than the Conlon decision today. It would make you think that names are on medals from the outset, that article from the Guardian could well ring true and is an eye opener.
I don't know a whole pile about boxing but to an untrained eye it seemed like he won the first 2 rounds comfortable and then last one was maybe even ish at worst! The poor lads will be in bits after that as his heart was set on gold for sure. It been a terrible couple of weeks for the boxers.
Unfortunately Conlan had to win the last round by a mile, as they were always going to side with Russian in a close one.
Have the judges definitely been nobbled, or is just coincidence?
Russia have been proved to be systemic cheats at the Olympics - their participation was a joke and anyone who thinks that they would only use drugs, rather than bribery and corruption is being naïve.
Just as an aside, does anyone know why Katie isn't being trained by the father anymore? I haven't heard anything at all about it.
BTW if is anything of a personal nature for her, don't bother telling me - just wondering was there sporting reasons or was he closely associated with Billy Walsh?
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2016, 04:08:27 PM
Would have given Conlon the first two - actually thought the Russian won the third. Still robbery as the first was clearly his. Agree with Trileacman - deliberately haven't engaged with this Olympics as the whole movement is a farce at this stage.
disagree..you swing widely for 3 minutes you will catch your opponent at some stage. He landed a couple clean, but as with the rest of the bout, Conlon was clearly the far better boxer landing the lions share of the clean hits. Incredible decision
QuoteThis is a boxing problem surely. Recent years? The Roy Jones fight is nearly 30 years ago and this shit is still happening.
Lads I remember my father telling me how Fred Tiedt was robbed of a gold in 1956!!!
QuoteBTW if is anything of a personal nature for her father, don't bother telling me - just wondering was there sporting reasons or was he closely associated with Billy Keogh?
That's the rumour ET
Jog2, thought the Russian knew he just had to keep it all inside in the third and when he did pop up he hit Conlan with at least three, clean good shots, and opened up a cut.
Still and all, I'm not a boxer and I do think he was robbed.
Quote from: Declan on August 16, 2016, 04:26:04 PM
QuoteThis is a boxing problem surely. Recent years? The Roy Jones fight is nearly 30 years ago and this shit is still happening.
Lads I remember my father telling me how Fred Tiedt was robbed of a gold in 1956!!!
QuoteBTW if is anything of a personal nature for her father, don't bother telling me - just wondering was there sporting reasons or was he closely associated with Billy Keogh?
That's the rumour ET
Ah I see, thanks Dec.
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 16, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
Jog2, thought the Russian knew he just had to keep it all inside in the third and when he did pop up he hit Conlan with at least three, clean good shots, and opened up a cut.
Still and all, I'm not a boxer and I do think he was robbed.
whatever about the ins and outs easytiger, he was dealt a poor had by the judges indeed. Will be gut wrenching for the young man
Kenny Egan reckoning that Nikitin was destined to get a medal at the outset with brown envelopes handed over.
The scoring in Olympic boxing has been dodgy for years.
You just couldn't trust it
Has the scoring system changed for this Olympics? None of the male boxers wear the head-gear anymore either?
Quote from: galwayman on August 16, 2016, 04:50:28 PM
The scoring in Olympic boxing has been dodgy for years.
You just couldn't trust it
At least under the old system it was transparent and give less scope for corruption.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
Kenny Egan reckoning that Nikitin was destined to get a medal at the outset with brown envelopes handed over.
Apparently he was absolutely blessed to win his first fight against a Thai boxer. Got another gift today.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on August 16, 2016, 04:52:36 PM
Has the scoring system changed for this Olympics? None of the male boxers wear the head-gear anymore either?
Used to be a button system where scoring punches were counted by a button press by a judge and to score a point enough buttons had to be pressed within a very short time frame. Now it's a 10 points must system.
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Totally disgusting. The most bitter pill of all saved for last.
The Olympics have been nothing short of a bad joke from the very start. I used to look forward to the Olympics but the corruption is so real at so many levels it's shine has fully wore off now.
An Irish judge involved in that robbery last night as well!
I'm sure his anger is well founded.... But having done so well at other fights (commonwealth, European and qualifying tournaments) why say these things now??
As said already, Roy Jones in the past, and how big Audley won is still a mystery... He's better off trying his hand at the professional ranks.
Is there an O Reilly factor at work?
Were Irish boxers tarnished before it started and were not going to be allowed win medals?
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Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
Is there an O Reilly factor at work?
Were Irish boxers tarnished before it started and were not going to be allowed win medals?
We lost we a country that was banned from Rio for systematic cheating until about two weeks ago ffs Moy!
I think there are separate strands in operation.
1. IABA corruption
2. Boxing in Ireland in disarray post Billy Walsh
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Rory was seen at the fights with a few large brown envelopes
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2016, 04:59:40 PM
Now it's a 10 points must system.
Makes the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 FIFA world cup seem quite transparent in comparison.
Did Sepp get a new job at the Olympics?
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Put it like this, I was relieved she got that decision! But it was very tight and with the old scoring system so its at least a bit more transparent.
I didn't think her defeat was half as outrageous as Conlons. I still can't believe how he lost that first round.
Really gutted after that fight.
Reminds me so much of the Thierry Henry handball.
We don't have too many opportunities for gold medals in this country so when an opportunity is taken away by blatant cheating it really sickens me.
Disgusted and so fucked off
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Katie Taylor won the 2012 final fairly convincingly . I think the scoring made is seen easier than it was but no doubt she won well ,
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Katie Taylor won the 2012 final fairly convincingly . I think the scoring made is seen easier than it was but no doubt she won well ,
I was at the fight and thought it was tight enough, there was a very nervous feeling in the air til the result was called.
Regardless of how poor the decision was against Conlan today I think he behaved like a dick afterwards..
Quote from: Boycey on August 16, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Katie Taylor won the 2012 final fairly convincingly . I think the scoring made is seen easier than it was but no doubt she won well ,
I was at the fight and thought it was tight enough, there was a very nervous feeling in the air til the result was called.
Regardless of how poor the decision was against Conlan today I think he behaved like a dick afterwards..
A stiff upper lip there old boy, what what....
He said what the world was thinking and as a man just robbed of 4 years hard work and a potential gold medal, I'm glad he called them out
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Put it like this, I was relieved she got that decision! But it was very tight and with the old scoring system so its at least a bit more transparent.
I didn't think her defeat was half as outrageous as Conlons. I still can't believe how he lost that first round.
He didn't. Why you mean is you can't believe how the judges awarded the round to he Russian???
It needed said. Hopefully his outburst will get plenty of airtime and create a few headlines. Hopefully highlight the problem. I'm not watching Olympic boxing again. What is the point whenever the result has already been decided. It's going to push more people to the pro game instead no doubt.
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Shit decisions are as old as boxing itself in both the amateur and professional codes. In the big scheme of things no one will remember it in the long term except us..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
This is a big story if the judges are corrupt. I'd imagine that would be newsworthy. And have we been 'dung'? I know the medals are few and far between, but how are the performances pb wise? That diver must be doing well, and the hurdler tonight.
Quote from: Boycey on August 16, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Katie Taylor won the 2012 final fairly convincingly . I think the scoring made is seen easier than it was but no doubt she won well ,
I was at the fight and thought it was tight enough, there was a very nervous feeling in the air til the result was called.
Regardless of how poor the decision was against Conlan today I think he behaved like a dick afterwards..
Yeah he should have just bowed down and accepted the corruption. God knows there is enough political correctness in the world and people afraid to call it as it is. That interview was the highlight of the games for me, a young lads dream and 4 years of dedication destroyed by administrators who had pre determined the result. Pure raw emotion spelled from him and he didn't say anything that wasn't true.
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Russians and IABA response as farcical as the fight
http://m.rte.ie/sport/olympics/2016/0816/809785-aiba-russian-respond-following-conlan-defeat/
Check CompuBox on Twitter for the stats on the Russian who was gifted the heavyweight gold last night. Watched that fight live and it was an even greater travesty than the Conlon decision. One of the judges in that fight was an Irishman too!! Would be an interesting interview to hear his reasoning as to how he possibly give the Russian the final round when he was absolutely pummelled.
Will be interesting to see CompuBox assessment of the Conlon fight. My guess is that Conlons wasn't as blatant but will still show that he clearly won the fight.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
The Brits were fairly certain he was robbed as well!
Compubox says Conlon won 2 rounds to 1 but they gave the first round to the Russian and the last to Conlon, clearly. I am very surprised by that as I was sure Conlon easily won the first but a lot of his punches must have caught glove.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Not entirely true, Paulie Malignaggi, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Matthew Macklin and Sonny Upton (to name a few) all had a say about it on Twitter. And it wasn't to congratulate the Russian lad.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Not entirely true, Paulie Malignaggi, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Matthew Macklin and Sonny Upton (to name a few) all had a say about it on Twitter. And it wasn't to congratulate the Russian lad.
Twitter?? I'm talking about on something that really matters, boxing associations be they professional or amateur bodies, outside of Ireland, ffs we'd a judge doing the Russian fight that was clearly on drugs (the judge, not figter!!). Not covering ourselves with any glory on that one
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:45:00 PM
Compubox says Conlon won 2 rounds to 1 but they gave the first round to the Russian and the last to Conlon, clearly. I am very surprised by that as I was sure Conlon easily won the first but a lot of his punches must have caught glove.
Yes, the bare stats are quite surprising but I thought he simply outboxed him first round, catching him with much cleaner shots than he was hit with. He changed tactics to suit and out fought him in the final 2 rounds. I had him as a 3-0 winner though the Russian landed some good clean shots in the final round when Conlon engaged him inside.
Compubox stats don't always tell the full story of a fight.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Not entirely true, Paulie Malignaggi, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Matthew Macklin and Sonny Upton (to name a few) all had a say about it on Twitter. And it wasn't to congratulate the Russian lad.
Twitter?? I'm talking about on something that really matters, boxing associations be they professional or amateur bodies, outside of Ireland, ffs we'd a judge doing the Russian fight that was clearly on drugs (the judge, not figter!!). Not covering ourselves with any glory on that one
Yes, Twitter. The fight only happened about 7 hours ago. Social media's about the only reaction you're gonna get at this early stage. What would constitute an 'international reaction' in your eyes? A press release from Obama on Air Force One? And you're dead right about the judge. I'd be friendly with a couple of younger lads who would box at quite a high level in Ireland (one of them trains most weekends at that elite centre in Dublin and was on the European schoolboys squad). In his eyes the IABA wouldn't be much better than AIBA when it comes to dodgy results and the old 'nod and sink' stuff.
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Not entirely true, Paulie Malignaggi, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Matthew Macklin and Sonny Upton (to name a few) all had a say about it on Twitter. And it wasn't to congratulate the Russian lad.
Twitter?? I'm talking about on something that really matters, boxing associations be they professional or amateur bodies, outside of Ireland, ffs we'd a judge doing the Russian fight that was clearly on drugs (the judge, not figter!!). Not covering ourselves with any glory on that one
Yes, Twitter. The fight only happened about 7 hours ago. Social media's about the only reaction you're gonna get at this early stage. What would constitute an 'international reaction' in your eyes? A press release from Obama on Air Force One? And you're dead right about the judge. I'd be friendly with a couple of younger lads who would box at quite a high level in Ireland (one of them trains most weekends at that elite centre in Dublin and was on the European schoolboys squad). In his eyes the IABA wouldn't be much better than AIBA when it comes to dodgy results and the old 'nod and sink' stuff.
Well if its all round twitter it will bound to cause a reaction, call me old fashion but to me it will be tomorrows fish and chip paper.... The kids that boxed for All irelands from Ulster were told ya had to knock them out to win the All Ireland title at the National stadium, corruption on our own door step
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Simple numbers game for starters... 5 million against say Britains 60+ million?? More money to throw at it also, the lure of foreigners to apply fir citizenship and represent GB... Soooooo many other factors, training facilities also and coaches to name but a few
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Boxing is the obvious one but corruption seems to have ruined that one. Why do we not do better at sports like rowing or track cycling? Are there other sports that we have potential in but athletes not getting the opportunities to improve? No money put into it, an attitude of 'sure we are only a small country', only there for the craic etc no doubt all reasons. New Zealand has a smaller population than Ireland and they have 3 gold, 6 silver and 1 bronze. As I said we are a small country and no one is expecting us to be in the top 10 but we are currently 55th in the medal table with 2 silver. Pathetic.
India population 1.3 billion = 0 olympic medals. That has to be the worst of the lot.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 16, 2016, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
No, and I doubt there will be.... In fairness bar the boat people, we've been dung...
Not entirely true, Paulie Malignaggi, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Matthew Macklin and Sonny Upton (to name a few) all had a say about it on Twitter. And it wasn't to congratulate the Russian lad.
Twitter?? I'm talking about on something that really matters, boxing associations be they professional or amateur bodies, outside of Ireland, ffs we'd a judge doing the Russian fight that was clearly on drugs (the judge, not figter!!). Not covering ourselves with any glory on that one
Yes, Twitter. The fight only happened about 7 hours ago. Social media's about the only reaction you're gonna get at this early stage. What would constitute an 'international reaction' in your eyes? A press release from Obama on Air Force One? And you're dead right about the judge. I'd be friendly with a couple of younger lads who would box at quite a high level in Ireland (one of them trains most weekends at that elite centre in Dublin and was on the European schoolboys squad). In his eyes the IABA wouldn't be much better than AIBA when it comes to dodgy results and the old 'nod and sink' stuff.
Well if its all round twitter it will bound to cause a reaction, call me old fashion but to me it will be tomorrows fish and chip paper.... The kids that boxed for All irelands from Ulster were told ya had to knock them out to win the All Ireland title at the National stadium, corruption on our own door step
Yip, that's about the height of it. Conlan was bang on when he said it was rotten from top to bottom. I could be wrong but I think there could be more about this one - there's more than the Irish team very disgruntled at the display of judging at this Olympics.
https://twitter.com/maravillabox (https://twitter.com/maravillabox)
Sergio Martinez seems to be a big fan of Conlon.
Quote from: Boycey on August 16, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 16, 2016, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: weareros on August 16, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
Not to throw a spanner in the works, but anyone think Katie got lucky with her gold in London. I thought the Russian had won that and by the sulk in her face afterwards and arms folded, so did she.
Katie Taylor won the 2012 final fairly convincingly . I think the scoring made is seen easier than it was but no doubt she won well ,
I was at the fight and thought it was tight enough, there was a very nervous feeling in the air til the result was called.
Regardless of how poor the decision was against Conlan today I think he behaved like a dick afterwards..
Conlan did what many's a fighter wishes they had the balls to say and do. The officials wear a suit of propriety and commit far more terrible and consequential acts.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Boxing is the obvious one but corruption seems to have ruined that one. Why do we not do better at sports like rowing or track cycling? Are there other sports that we have potential in but athletes not getting the opportunities to improve? No money put into it, an attitude of 'sure we are only a small country', only there for the craic etc no doubt all reasons. New Zealand has a smaller population than Ireland and they have 3 gold, 6 silver and 1 bronze. As I said we are a small country and no one is expecting us to be in the top 10 but we are currently 55th in the medal table with 2 silver. Pathetic.
Track cycling? does Ireland even have a velodrome?
The horsey stuff is an area where we could be doing better maybe but we used to sell off our best horses. Maybe we still do. wouldn t surprise me if some Irish bred horses 'won' medals for other countries last few olympics.
Victor Costello and Gary Halpin still hold Irish schools records in Shot and Hammer. Costello competed in 92 olympics. Field competitions may be an area we could target but lads that are decent in that area would also, more than likely, be involved in a team sport like rugby. Like Costello and Halpin concentrated o the rugby. God knows what they might have done if they were highly coached in the throwing.
The track will always be about making finals and pbs.
Joe Joyce (GBR) beating up an Uzbek in the Superheavyweight.
Surely there is a Galway connection!?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
Kenny Egan reckoning that Nikitin was destined to get a medal at the outset with brown envelopes handed over.
Apparently he was absolutely blessed to win his first fight against a Thai boxer. Got another gift today.
He was I watched it. Thai fighter was very good and all agreed the decision was strange but that Conlon would rather fight the RussIan as he was nowhere near as tecynically good a fighter as the Thai, albeit though the Russian was a brawler
That today was a disgrace, 4 years wasted. People who didn't see it will think it was sour grapes, it isn't. Conlon was magnificent..real boxing masterclass. He won, simple as that.
Afterwards he could've been pulled aside, he was obviously raging and acted as Paddy Barnes did 8 years ago, live on TV. Wouldn't go unnoticed by RTE etc when they're picking pundits in years to come
Absolute and utterly robbery. I'm sickened by this Olympics. Feel for him
Quote from: Gold on August 17, 2016, 01:18:28 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
Kenny Egan reckoning that Nikitin was destined to get a medal at the outset with brown envelopes handed over.
Apparently he was absolutely blessed to win his first fight against a Thai boxer. Got another gift today.
He was I watched it. Thai fighter was very good and all agreed the decision was strange but that Conlon would rather fight the RussIan as he was nowhere near as tecynically good a fighter as the Thai, albeit though the Russian was a brawler
That today was a disgrace, 4 years wasted. People who didn't see it will think it was sour grapes, it isn't. Conlon was magnificent..real boxing masterclass. He won, simple as that.
Afterwards he could've been pulled aside, he was obviously raging and acted as Paddy Barnes did 8 years ago, live on TV. Wouldn't go unnoticed by RTE etc when they're picking pundits in years to come
Absolute and utterly robbery. I'm sickened by this Olympics. Feel for him
I thought at the time that he should have been given more time before a mic was shoved in his face. That girl was just doing her job. Anyway it resulted in one of those tv moments that will never be forgotten!
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Boxing is the obvious one but corruption seems to have ruined that one. Why do we not do better at sports like rowing or track cycling? Are there other sports that we have potential in but athletes not getting the opportunities to improve? No money put into it, an attitude of 'sure we are only a small country', only there for the craic etc no doubt all reasons. New Zealand has a smaller population than Ireland and they have 3 gold, 6 silver and 1 bronze. As I said we are a small country and no one is expecting us to be in the top 10 but we are currently 55th in the medal table with 2 silver. Pathetic.
Apart from boxing and golf most of the Olympic disciplines are classed as "other sports" by RTE and the newspapers. Elite sportspeople in Ireland usually end up playing GAA, soccer or rugby. There aren't that many world class coaches in other sports. Yer man in Skibb rowing club is a rare bird.
If Ireland had one gold it would be 10 notches higher on the.list. 2 medals is a bit below what you might expect but Belgium with 10m people has 5 medals as does Switzerland.
Quote from: moysider on August 17, 2016, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 16, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
It wouldn't matter if everyone got pbs. It will be medals that will judge it. The English are having some laugh at our silver medals.
Bollix. Any competitor that goes out and gets an SB or PB is doing well, if you're performing at the top of your abilities,tthat's as good as you can do.
Dunno what the English have to do with it tbh
The athletes themselves will be happy of course but the general public will always judge it on how medals. I couldn't tell you who has PBs or SBs from this olympics but I can tell you who has won olympic medals. This olympics has been a disaster. We are a small nation and of course we are not going to be leading the medal table but we should be doing better.
Doing better in what disciplines exactly though?
Break it down and there are good reasons we don t do better I'm sure.
Boxing is the obvious one but corruption seems to have ruined that one. Why do we not do better at sports like rowing or track cycling? Are there other sports that we have potential in but athletes not getting the opportunities to improve? No money put into it, an attitude of 'sure we are only a small country', only there for the craic etc no doubt all reasons. New Zealand has a smaller population than Ireland and they have 3 gold, 6 silver and 1 bronze. As I said we are a small country and no one is expecting us to be in the top 10 but we are currently 55th in the medal table with 2 silver. Pathetic.
Track cycling? does Ireland even have a velodrome?
The horsey stuff is an area where we could be doing better maybe but we used to sell off our best horses. Maybe we still do. wouldn t surprise me if some Irish bred horses 'won' medals for other countries last few olympics.
Victor Costello and Gary Halpin still hold Irish schools records in Shot and Hammer. Costello competed in 92 olympics. Field competitions may be an area we could target but lads that are decent in that area would also, more than likely, be involved in a team sport like rugby. Like Costello and Halpin concentrated o the rugby. God knows what they might have done if they were highly coached in the throwing.
The track will always be about making finals and pbs.
There are very few people who take part in the throw events here. If you just turned up at the Irish championships you would have a chance of a medal in some of them. Seriously. I have heard of this happen.
I'm glad Conlon reacted like he did, will hopefully highlight the problem more than if he had just taken it on the chin (and why should he have). As for the judges being corrupt, thats another question. There are lots of terrible decisions in boxing (and other sports) at both amateur and professional level that leave you scratching your head, but a lot of the time they are the result of poor officials and not necessarily a part of some conspiracy.
Too many people base the result of a fight as being good/bad on the figures produced by compubox too. They don't tell the whole story. The quality of the punches is missed in these stats as well as the distinction between a wee jab and a crushing hook.
As for the 2012 lightweight womens final, I remember thinking that the Russian could have got that decision, I was very nervours too when the result was being called out.
Winker just managed two barely concede the gloating when talking about Team Irelands boxing results on Radio Uladh last night.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/16/gary-antuanne-russell-boxing-fixing-allegations-rio-olympics?CMP=share_btn_tw (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/16/gary-antuanne-russell-boxing-fixing-allegations-rio-olympics?CMP=share_btn_tw)
Not just the Irish getting screwed
Conlon giving O'Reilly some stick too
Fearon will be here any minute to say the Russian deserved it and we should just accept the decision and move on. :D
Quote from: The Gs Man on August 17, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
Fearon will be here any minute to say the Russian deserved it and we should just accept the decision and move on. :D
Their coach was on superior wages so had to perform better
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 17, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Winker just managed two barely concede the gloating when talking about Team Irelands boxing results on Radio Uladh last night.
Same on the news. Talked about it ending badly for Tema Ireland adn mainly showed clips of the Russian getting punches in. MAde it sound like sour grapaes.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Has there been any international reaction to the fight, or are we viewing it through green glasses?
Sergio Martinez tweeted the result was a joke
Joe Calzaghe just got in the act. The White House are yet to release an official comment though.
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Winker just managed two barely concede the gloating when talking about Team Irelands boxing results on Radio Uladh last night.
Same on the news. Talked about it ending badly for Tema Ireland adn mainly showed clips of the Russian getting punches in. MAde it sound like sour grapaes.
Saw this. Didn't comment as I wasn't sure I was looking at through my firmly planted "I hate that Watson cnut" glasses. Glad someone else thought the same. Poor form from him but pig and grunt I suppose.
http://www.balls.ie/boxing/michael-conlan-international-reaction/343089
So now we have the New York Times, Ring Magazine and Al Bernstein commenting on it. Would this now constitute an "international reaction" MR2? Or is it still just the silly aul Irish lads having a moan?
Quote from: Franko on August 17, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
http://www.balls.ie/boxing/michael-conlan-international-reaction/343089
So now we have the New York Times, Ring Magazine and Al Bernstein commenting on it. Would this now constitute an "international reaction" MR2? Or is it still just the silly aul Irish lads having a moan?
Tomorrows fish and chip paper, will Conlon get another go??
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Quote from: Franko on August 17, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
http://www.balls.ie/boxing/michael-conlan-international-reaction/343089
So now we have the New York Times, Ring Magazine and Al Bernstein commenting on it. Would this now constitute an "international reaction" MR2? Or is it still just the silly aul Irish lads having a moan?
Tomorrows fish and chip paper, will Conlon get another go??
You said that yesterday... as for the second part... straw man much?
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Quote from: Franko on August 17, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
http://www.balls.ie/boxing/michael-conlan-international-reaction/343089
So now we have the New York Times, Ring Magazine and Al Bernstein commenting on it. Would this now constitute an "international reaction" MR2? Or is it still just the silly aul Irish lads having a moan?
Tomorrows fish and chip paper, will Conlon get another go??
You said that yesterday... as for the second part... straw man much?
Reinstated yet??
What has reinstated got to do with it? If they are corrupt, they can hardly reinstate him and admit as much.
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Quote from: Franko on August 17, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
http://www.balls.ie/boxing/michael-conlan-international-reaction/343089
So now we have the New York Times, Ring Magazine and Al Bernstein commenting on it. Would this now constitute an "international reaction" MR2? Or is it still just the silly aul Irish lads having a moan?
Tomorrows fish and chip paper, will Conlon get another go??
You said that yesterday... as for the second part... straw man much?
Reinstated yet??
Straw man. Who suggested that?
Someone asked if there'd been an international reaction at all. You flat out answered no. And unless you want to argue that the UK, America and Argentina aren't international, then that was just plain wrong.
Who's he talking about there do you think? Conlan or the dude that got arrested?
Quote from: The Gs Man on August 17, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Who's he talking about there do you think? Conlan or the dude that got arrested?
I would be pretty sure (hope!) the latter. If it's the former he is indeed a complete ball beg (as suspected ;))
"Justice for Michael Conlan" page on Facebook now, just waiting for the Just Fund Me page
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Quote from: Minder on August 17, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
"Justice for Michael Conlan" page on Facebook now, just waiting for the Just Fund Me page
Had to chuckle at that alright. The initial reaction is natural and normal, but some lads love a crusade. Reminds me of the Thierry Henry handball thing now.
The judges should not be allowed judge again, and if they are corrupt then they should be banned and/or arrested. Other than that, everyone has to move on.
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
IABA sent home them judges and the ones from the conteoversial decison in heavyweight fight.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
Now you are talking.
It reminds me of 'he was moved to another parish'.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
IABA sent home them judges and the ones from the conteoversial decison in heavyweight fight.
Yes but which 'controversial' fights? Who decided they were controversial and why? On what basis were the judges removed from their positions?
Next you will see 5 million in a "loan" to the high performance unit :P
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Why do you keep responding with they're on drugs? What is that?
This is getting worse and worse.
They can t just send them home without making some reparations for the awful decisions they made! Can they!??
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Quote from: muppet on August 17, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
IABA sent home them judges and the ones from the conteoversial decison in heavyweight fight.
Yes but which 'controversial' fights? Who decided they were controversial and why? On what basis were the judges removed from their positions?
AIBA have released statement. They review every fight and saw a handful where the scoring wasn't to required standards. Those judges will not be allowed judge for the rest of the tournamnet.
Quote from: muppet on August 17, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
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Quote from: muppet on August 17, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
IABA sent home them judges and the ones from the conteoversial decison in heavyweight fight.
Yes but which 'controversial' fights? Who decided they were controversial and why? On what basis were the judges removed from their positions?
I read that the AIBA council were 'reviewing' the fight tape. Including Mr. Wu, who sounds like someone ominous. Like a James Bond villain. Mr Wu will see you now.
Maybe they said 'Ara shite lads, that's way too obvious. Get away outta dat before we have press lads trying to interview ye.'
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 03:16:43 PM
Why do you keep responding with they're on drugs? What is that?
Tongue firmly on cheek, there were soooo many posts about certain athletes who must be on drugs for getting pb's I decided to blame everyone, boats horses canoes
In fairness we did have a couple of horses on drugs in the last few olympics, didn't we?
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:17:54 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 17, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 17, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
The judges are after being sent home but result stands.
Cop out.
The question is not whether or not they are incompetent, it is whether or not they are corrupt.
'sent home' = no investigation.
Exactly. It does speak volumes though. Who decided to send them home, and on what grounds?
IABA sent home them judges and the ones from the conteoversial decison in heavyweight fight.
Yes but which 'controversial' fights? Who decided they were controversial and why? On what basis were the judges removed from their positions?
AIBA have released statement. They review every fight and saw a handful where the scoring wasn't to required standards. Those judges will not be allowed judge for the rest of the tournamnet.
These lads are no daws. But surely they won t get away with such a watery explanation.
Those Russian boxers should be awarded plastic medals for all the cred they have.
The Olympics is a busted flush, too many sports, too much corruption.
The Olympics is now about nationalism and money, it probably always was. The haves and the have nots, the sports corporations and the corrupt governments and associations.
When you look at the millions spent by the UK just to win track cycling medals, a sport which is not part of their culture you have to ask why? Are medals worth that much to country, just so it can get all jingoistic ignoring their many social ills, giving these athletes knighthoods reinforcing class stereotypes.
Personally I wouldn't give a cent of government money to elite athletes, they don't deserve it, let the corporations, the sports companies, the pharmaceuticals finance them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
In fairness we did have a couple of horses on drugs in the last few olympics, didn't we?
All our horses were asthmatics!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
In fairness we did have a couple of horses on drugs in the last few olympics, didn't we?
So the jockey (rider or whatever the appropriate term is) didn't seem to be responsible for that. Who was?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
In fairness we did have a couple of horses on drugs in the last few olympics, didn't we?
So the jockey (rider or whatever the appropriate term is) didn't seem to be responsible for that. Who was?
The horses were hanging out with dodgy company. The Dutch horses were wearing leather jackets and sniggering behind the stables.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 17, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
In fairness we did have a couple of horses on drugs in the last few olympics, didn't we?
So the jockey (rider or whatever the appropriate term is) didn't seem to be responsible for that. Who was?
Mr Wu?
@mickconlon11
Hey Vlad @PutinRF_Eng
How much did they charge you bro?? @AIBA_Boxing #Rio2016
Sporting organisation (AIBA) hangs a few sacrificial lambs (judges) in the hope that the scandal gets passed over. Where have we seen this before? When what is required is an independent investigation of its practices as very often it is perpetrated by those at the very top.
I presume the Irish judge is one of those sent home. So we have now had a boxing judge sent home, a boxer sent home and the head of the OCI arrested. You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Drop the victim complex - you posted something in response to another user which was blatantly wrong. I pulled you on it. I'd re-check your definition of 'trolling'.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Drop the victim complex - you posted something in response to another user which was blatantly wrong. I pulled you on it. I'd re-check your definition of 'trolling'.
Blatantly wrong?? And you don't need to defend anyone when I post something you're on it like a rash :-*
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
The Olympics is a busted flush, too many sports, too much corruption.
The Olympics is now about nationalism and money, it probably always was. The haves and the have nots, the sports corporations and the corrupt governments and associations.
When you look at the millions spent by the UK just to win track cycling medals, a sport which is not part of their culture you have to ask why? Are medals worth that much to country, just so it can get all jingoistic ignoring their many social ills, giving these athletes knighthoods reinforcing class stereotypes.
Personally I wouldn't give a cent of government money to elite athletes, they don't deserve it, let the corporations, the sports companies, the pharmaceuticals finance them.
They looked at the shambles of an Olympics they had in Atlanta and thought "How can we get more medals quickly".
Track Cycling was quite an easy win for them because it wasn't really taken seriously and doesn't require an inordinate amount of skill. They threw some money at it and hey presto they are the best in the world now.
I think they go around screening athletes in school's now from other sports and tell them "You could be a cyclist" and that's where they are getting good success. I think the young girl who came 3rd in the sprint used to be a heptahlete!
Quote from: screenexile on August 17, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
The Olympics is a busted flush, too many sports, too much corruption.
The Olympics is now about nationalism and money, it probably always was. The haves and the have nots, the sports corporations and the corrupt governments and associations.
When you look at the millions spent by the UK just to win track cycling medals, a sport which is not part of their culture you have to ask why? Are medals worth that much to country, just so it can get all jingoistic ignoring their many social ills, giving these athletes knighthoods reinforcing class stereotypes.
Personally I wouldn't give a cent of government money to elite athletes, they don't deserve it, let the corporations, the sports companies, the pharmaceuticals finance them.
They looked at the shambles of an Olympics they had in Atlanta and thought "How can we get more medals quickly".
Track Cycling was quite an easy win for them because it wasn't really taken seriously and doesn't require an inordinate amount of skill. They threw some money at it and hey presto they are the best in the world now.
I think they go around screening athletes in school's now from other sports and tell them "You could be a cyclist" and that's where they are getting good success. I think the young girl who came 3rd in the sprint used to be a heptahlete!
That's a bit silly... They still compete at athletes they always did at rowing, they used to at other dpirts but not so much now, cycling has been on an upward curve since Hoy .... Wiggins and the rest have rowed in behind them and that's created massive interest in it, which has given them results
Quote from: screenexile on August 17, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
I think they go around screening athletes in school's now from other sports and tell them "You could be a cyclist" and that's where they are getting good success. I think the young girl who came 3rd in the sprint used to be a heptahlete!
That said, some move to the cycling when an injury slows them down in the some other sport, e.g. an arm injury might feck you as a heptathlete, but allow you cycle.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 17, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 17, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
The Olympics is a busted flush, too many sports, too much corruption.
The Olympics is now about nationalism and money, it probably always was. The haves and the have nots, the sports corporations and the corrupt governments and associations.
When you look at the millions spent by the UK just to win track cycling medals, a sport which is not part of their culture you have to ask why? Are medals worth that much to country, just so it can get all jingoistic ignoring their many social ills, giving these athletes knighthoods reinforcing class stereotypes.
Personally I wouldn't give a cent of government money to elite athletes, they don't deserve it, let the corporations, the sports companies, the pharmaceuticals finance them.
They looked at the shambles of an Olympics they had in Atlanta and thought "How can we get more medals quickly".
Track Cycling was quite an easy win for them because it wasn't really taken seriously and doesn't require an inordinate amount of skill. They threw some money at it and hey presto they are the best in the world now.
I think they go around screening athletes in school's now from other sports and tell them "You could be a cyclist" and that's where they are getting good success. I think the young girl who came 3rd in the sprint used to be a heptahlete!
That's a bit silly... They still compete at athletes they always did at rowing, they used to at other dpirts but not so much now, cycling has been on an upward curve since Hoy .... Wiggins and the rest have rowed in behind them and that's created massive interest in it, which has given them results
Yes they've cashed in on Hoy and Wiggins of course but the surge in cycling in GB happened after the dismal performance in Atlanta 1996!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rise-of-britains-cycling-empire-1471303299
"On the track there's more low-hanging fruit"
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MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Drop the victim complex - you posted something in response to another user which was blatantly wrong. I pulled you on it. I'd re-check your definition of 'trolling'.
Blatantly wrong?? And you don't need to defend anyone when I post something you're on it like a rash :-*
Yes, blatantly. I don't think we need to rehash that one.
I (and others it would seem) would be of the opinion that you invite a lot of this on yourself, but if you want to continue to cry victim, be my guest.
And now Nikitin can't fight in his semi-final
https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792 (https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792)
QuoteHere's a scoop. US Head coach Billy Walsh says Shakur Stevenson advances on W/o tomorrow. Nikitin's face a mess after Conlan @StiffJab
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 17, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
And now Nikitin can't fight in his semi-final
https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792 (https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792)
QuoteHere's a scoop. US Head coach Billy Walsh says Shakur Stevenson advances on W/o tomorrow. Nikitin's face a mess after Conlan @StiffJab
So how will that pan out?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Drop the victim complex - you posted something in response to another user which was blatantly wrong. I pulled you on it. I'd re-check your definition of 'trolling'.
Blatantly wrong?? And you don't need to defend anyone when I post something you're on it like a rash :-*
Yes, blatantly. I don't think we need to rehash that one.
I (and others it would seem) would be of the opinion that you invite a lot of this on yourself, but if you want to continue to cry victim, be my guest.
Ah should be just like you, a follower or sheep, say what everyone wants to hear to be popular....
According to a hack on Twitter Billy Walsh claiming Nitkin has forfeited his semi final fight due to his injuries from the Conlon fight.
The farce gets worse!!
Parry Barnes tweeting (been backed up by other journalists) that judges sent home aren't those involved in the Russian fights of the past few days. Irish referee is Michael Gallagher from Omagh. Not since Martin Sludden has a Tyrone ref caused this much grief!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2016, 08:35:05 PM
According to a hack on Twitter Billy Walsh claiming Nitkin has forfeited his semi final fight due to his injuries from the Conlon fight.
The farce gets worse!!
Parry Barnes tweeting (been backed up by other journalists) that judges sent home aren't those involved in the Russian fights of the past few days. Irish referee is Michael Gallagher from Omagh. Not since Martin Sludden has a Tyrone ref caused this much grief!
Sent home to new house and car!!
I know where he lives. I'll keep a tight eye for any flash motors ;)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 17, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
And now Nikitin can't fight in his semi-final
https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792 (https://twitter.com/sarahdeming/status/765988403653537792)
QuoteHere's a scoop. US Head coach Billy Walsh says Shakur Stevenson advances on W/o tomorrow. Nikitin's face a mess after Conlan @StiffJab
At this stage the whole thing is a comedy .
I know nowt about boxing, but couldn't help but notice on the news last night that the Russian had the face bate off him, whereas Conlon hardly had a mark on him. But somehow he ends up on the losing end.
BBC confirm that Nikita ruled out with injury. He was bad enough even before the Conlon fight.
I can understand that the judges sent home were not those involved in the Russian farces. They did what was required of them I suppose. This move is a ruse by the IABA to demonstrate that they have checks in place to maintain standards in judging. If they get heat later they will point to the fact that they had quality control in place and did all they could do try to ensure fairness.
Cute hoors and pure spin and bullshit.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2016, 02:48:37 PM
MR for someone who complains about people being internet trolls you're being a bit of an internet troll.
Too whom?? The Irish Olympic team?? Don't be daft franko is reacting and trolling my posts is he not?? Who am I trolling?
Drop the victim complex - you posted something in response to another user which was blatantly wrong. I pulled you on it. I'd re-check your definition of 'trolling'.
Blatantly wrong?? And you don't need to defend anyone when I post something you're on it like a rash :-*
Yes, blatantly. I don't think we need to rehash that one.
I (and others it would seem) would be of the opinion that you invite a lot of this on yourself, but if you want to continue to cry victim, be my guest.
Ah should be just like you, a follower or sheep, say what everyone wants to hear to be popular....
Oh the irony! From the leader of Rory's flock! I reckon you'd get away with just not telling lies to stir things though!
I havent seen the fight in question but I would be inclined to give Mickey Gallagher the benefit of the doubt, great servant to amateur boxing in Omagh and indeed Ireland over the years
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2016, 05:22:18 AM
I havent seen the fight in question but I would be inclined to give Mickey Gallagher the benefit of the doubt, great servant to amateur boxing in Omagh and indeed Ireland over the years
The man is obviously beyond reproach ::)
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2016, 05:22:18 AM
I havent seen the fight in question but I would be inclined to give Mickey Gallagher the benefit of the doubt, great servant to amateur boxing in Omagh and indeed Ireland over the years
Well, you should watch the fight then. More comprehensive than Conlon's. He's either incompetent or crooked.
The fight that the Irish ref was in charge of was totally blatant. The fella who won was out on his feet at one stage and the ref was stopping the fight constantly to give him time to recover.
What a beautiful sport that's dirty from top to bottom, amateur or pro. Boxing is crying out for a UFC-type organisation to unify the top tier under one flag. What's happening is the sport is being destroyed.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2016, 05:22:18 AM
I havent seen the fight in question but I would be inclined to give Mickey Gallagher the benefit of the doubt, great servant to amateur boxing in Omagh and indeed Ireland over the years
Maybe so but he is either totally incompetent, totally subservient to the AIBA or totally corrupt. I don't believe it was the former so take your pick from the other two. Watch the fight again and tell me how anyone who had never even seen a boxing match before could give the decision to the Russian let alone a man with his experience. He give the last round to the Russian when he was absolutely pumelled ffs. It is interesting that he was one of the judges sent home though whilst others who judged on this fight and on the Conlon fight have remained. A bit of window dressing by the AIBA and they probably decided that the Irish man was expendable after Conlon had highlighted their crookedness and totally embarassed them with his post match comments.
Yeah i would say "payback" to irish definitely a play a bit there.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2016, 05:22:18 AM
I havent seen the fight in question but I would be inclined to give Mickey Gallagher the benefit of the doubt, great servant to amateur boxing in Omagh and indeed Ireland over the years
And what's your opinion of Seamus Kelly?
Conlon might be glad he doesn't have to fight Ramirez. Looks unbeatable barring something dodgy.
Why did they remove the head guards from men's amateur boxing?
Quote from: beer baron on August 18, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
Conlon might be glad he doesn't have to fight Ramirez. Looks unbeatable barring something dodgy.
Absolutely brilliant boxer.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 18, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Why did they remove the head guards from men's amateur boxing?
Seems they are going more pro style overall. Personally I prefer it without the headguards, even if they did prevent a lot of cuts.
If Ireland continues to send boxers to this farce they might consider going with a different type of boxer. More aggressive fighters rather than technically good boxers might get more joy. Saying that, in the heavyweight, the aggressor and better boxer lost. But that's another story altogether I suspect.
Quote from: beer baron on August 18, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
Conlon might be glad he doesn't have to fight Ramirez. Looks unbeatable barring something dodgy.
Top class boxer, him and Conlon should have been in the final on Saturday. That said the US boxer is a very good fighter too so it's no given that Ramirez will actually beat him.
Conlan is exactly the sort of fighter who would relish fighting a top class opponent and perform even better because of it. He's the world champion ffs, to assume he's lose is nonsense of the highest order.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 18, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Why did they remove the head guards from men's amateur boxing?
They reckoned that the extra weight of the head guard actually contributed more negatively than positively, in that the greater momentum generated with head movement (after a smack) generated greater forces on the brain.
Obviously, women have much smaller brains, so it's completely logical for them to carry on wearing head guards for the foreseeable. ;)
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2016, 11:59:45 PM
Conlan is exactly the sort of fighter who would relish fighting a top class opponent and perform even better because of it. He's the world champion ffs, to assume he's lose is nonsense of the highest order.
They fought once previously and Ramirez won pretty cosily so if that's nonsense of the highest order so be it.
Quote from: beer baron on August 19, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2016, 11:59:45 PM
Conlan is exactly the sort of fighter who would relish fighting a top class opponent and perform even better because of it. He's the world champion ffs, to assume he's lose is nonsense of the highest order.
They fought once previously and Ramirez won pretty cosily so if that's nonsense of the highest order so be it.
Darren O'Neill beat the Olympic heavyweight 'champion' too. Swings and roundabouts. You were engaging in hyperbole, nothing more.
How come the Cubans are no longer to the fore?
Quote from: mouview on August 19, 2016, 12:30:41 AM
How come the Cubans are no longer to the fore?
Cuban boxing was a product of the state. A product of the cold war. Resources were put into it. Their best fighters never went pro.Stevenson was a puppet. Cuba is opening up a bit and things have moved on thankfully.
Cuba and East Germany similar imo. In Montreal East German women won 11 of 13 events in swimming! The wonder madchens. How many Germans won in the pool in Rio?
And people think this Olympics is dodgy.
Marita Koch (East Germany) still holds the 400 metre record since 1985 I think. 31 years!! How sad is that. Alyson Felix couldn t beat it. That record stands out as a disgrace to the sport. Thank God that Chinese Wang Junxia's 10,000 record is gone. While there might be ??s about the Ethiopian girl the Chinese was definitely rotten.
Quote from: moysider on August 19, 2016, 03:07:12 AM
Quote from: mouview on August 19, 2016, 12:30:41 AM
How come the Cubans are no longer to the fore?
Cuban boxing was a product of the state. A product of the cold war. Resources were put into it. Their best fighters never went pro.Stevenson was a puppet. Cuba is opening up a bit and things have moved on thankfully.
Cuba and East Germany similar imo. In Montreal East German women won 11 of 13 events in swimming! The wonder madchens. How many Germans won in the pool in Rio?
And people think this Olympics is dodgy.
Marita Koch (East Germany) still holds the 400 metre record since 1985 I think. 31 years!! How sad is that. Alyson Felix couldn t beat it. That record stands out as a disgrace to the sport. Thank God that Chinese Wang Junxia's 10,000 record is gone. While there might be ??s about the Ethiopian girl the Chinese was definitely rotten.
The reason Marita Koch's record still stands is the same reason Wang Junxia's record was never under threat for so long and, I believe, is probably the same reason that Junxia's has been just smashed to pieces. All sides of the same grubby coin.
Conlon v Ramirez would be a tight fight. They fought when they were younger at a lighter weight. Conlon has significantly improved since 2012 and seems better at BW, whereas Ramirez hasn't been as impressive in the 4 years since.
Find it so interesting to read about how Cuba became such a boxing powerhouse. Would love to know how Kazakhstan have became such a force now.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
Conlon v Ramirez would be a tight fight. They fought when they were younger at a lighter weight. Conlon has significantly improved since 2012 and seems better at BW, whereas Ramirez hasn't been as impressive in the 4 years since.
Find it so interesting to read about how Cuba became such a boxing powerhouse. Would love to know how Kazakhstan have became such a force now.
Money
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
Conlon v Ramirez would be a tight fight. They fought when they were younger at a lighter weight. Conlon has significantly improved since 2012 and seems better at BW, whereas Ramirez hasn't been as impressive in the 4 years since.
Find it so interesting to read about how Cuba became such a boxing powerhouse. Would love to know how Kazakhstan have became such a force now.
How much do you know of Ramirez's performances since London?
I thought Ramirez was 22? he looked pretty impressive yesterday.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2016, 09:30:04 AM
I thought Ramirez was 22? he looked pretty impressive yesterday.
He is. He was only 18 in London. I imagine a lot of promoters wouldn't mind seeing a deflection.
Quote from: gallsman on August 19, 2016, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2016, 08:18:28 AM
Conlon v Ramirez would be a tight fight. They fought when they were younger at a lighter weight. Conlon has significantly improved since 2012 and seems better at BW, whereas Ramirez hasn't been as impressive in the 4 years since.
Find it so interesting to read about how Cuba became such a boxing powerhouse. Would love to know how Kazakhstan have became such a force now.
How much do you know of Ramirez's performances since London?
He hasn't won a medal at the two World Championships since London and since he moved up. Not disputing his quality, its just that Conlon has definitely progressed more than him since they last met.
Was he at those championships?
He was at the 2013 one but not the last one.
Joe Joyce looks like a wrecking ball in the super heavy division, very exciting fighter to watch. Must be some Irish connection with that name?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
Joe Joyce looks like a wrecking ball in the super heavy division, very exciting fighter to watch. Must be some Irish connection with that name?
From his Wiki page
QuoteBorn to a Scots-born Irish father and a mother of Nigerian ancestry, Joyce took up boxing at the age of 22, injuries having curtailed his interest in track and field athletics
Ramirez' a bit of a party animal apparently. Was thrown off the Cuban squad a couple of times I understand for enjoying himself too much and not training hard enough. Mad he can still look as good having been half arsed about it up until the past few months.
Ramirez won. 1 aLloyd after 2 then he upped it in the 3rd. The Russian looked battered and embarrassed collecting his bronze medal
Quote from: Gold on August 20, 2016, 11:37:00 PM
Ramirez won. 1 aLloyd after 2 then he upped it in the 3rd. The Russian looked battered and embarrassed collecting his bronze medal
Who cares?
Interesting interview since with Conlon. Looks like his coach was tipped off before the fight that a fix was on. Zaur Antia was told by a Russian that his boy was 'fucked'. Conlon's father was telling him before the fight that he could stop the Russian.
Two Boxers involved in illegal betting. Boo hoo!